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Tim Burton's FRANKENWEENIE is set to begin Stop Motion Photography shortly!

Hey folks, Harry here with some news out of SXSW. In Mike Fleming's article about Tim Burton's Charles Addams' ADDAMS FAMILY. And the headline seemed to suggest that it would be the next 3D Animated film from Tim Burton... What I find odd is that Mike does mention FRANKENWEENIE in the body of the article as being a film that Tim "is making"... Well at the SXSW screening at the fabled Paramount Theater this morning I sat in on a terrific screening of WAKING SLEEPING BEAUTY - a spectacular documentary that tells of the time at Disney between THE BLACK CAULDRON and THE LION KING's releases. It is an absolutely civilized telling of some astonishing filmmaking that made up the last golden years of Disney Animation. What is amazing is that it is a pretty damn honest look at those times that is actually endorsed by the Walt Disney Corporation. Anyway - I'll write that review soon enough. What's key to tell right now is that Director Don Hahn, who was there to introduce and do a post film Q&A, who happens to also be the Executive Producer of FRANKENWEENIE. Well, this Don Hahn told us that the puppets are ready, the script is done and now that Tim Burton is clear of ALICE IN WONDERLAND... he's set to helm FRANKENWEENIE in 3D. So that's probably the next 3D animated Tim Burton project. Wouldn't ya think?

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  • March 20, 2010, 6:42 p.m. CST


    by ORIONgods

    and will johnny depp be in this

  • March 20, 2010, 6:42 p.m. CST

    Awesome news. But Addams Family is no go

    by D.Vader

    I'm pretty sure I read the Addams Family story is false/mistaken. If Frankenweenie looks like Vincent this could be sweet.

  • March 20, 2010, 6:42 p.m. CST

    damn u RKDN

    by ORIONgods

  • March 20, 2010, 7 p.m. CST

    and then dark shadows.

    by alice133

    ok. good. tyvm

  • March 20, 2010, 7:15 p.m. CST

    guys careful

    by DioxholsterReturns

    someone is pretending to be me so careful!

  • March 20, 2010, 7:16 p.m. CST


    by MrSandwich

    ...I think you just described the plot to 'The Sweet Hereafter 2'.

  • March 20, 2010, 7:35 p.m. CST

    I liked the original Frankenweenie. Looking forward to an exten

    by Alice Cooper Stalker

  • March 20, 2010, 7:39 p.m. CST

    Tim Burton: A Cautionary Tale

    by Colt19801980

    he continues his downward spiral into self parody and wankery...who's the last filmmaker you heard about that remade his own early short film that got him noticed? He's officially out of ideas and has come full circle. I can't stand Burton any more.

  • March 20, 2010, 7:48 p.m. CST

    Tim Burton's weenie

    by liljuniorbrown

    I wonder if Helena Bonham Carter has seen it? waka waka waka hey waka

  • March 20, 2010, 7:49 p.m. CST

    remaking his own stuff

    by Potatino

    I agree with Colt19801980 this seems like the actions of a wanker.

  • March 20, 2010, 7:53 p.m. CST

    You mean Burton didn't do those 90's Addams movies?

    by odo19

    The ones with Raul Julia? Didn't even producethem you say? Hmmm.

  • March 20, 2010, 8:23 p.m. CST

    No, Odo, he didn't.

    by D.Vader

    But it sure looked like he did, didn't he?

  • March 20, 2010, 8:24 p.m. CST

    I suppose Johnny Depp

    by Amazing Maurice

    and his fucking hound of a wife will both be a part of this?

  • March 20, 2010, 8:27 p.m. CST

    how about a planet of the apes sequel

    by RedBull_Werewolf

    PoTA is burton most underapreciated film and it deserves a true sequel

  • March 20, 2010, 8:32 p.m. CST

    Yeah but that goes for almost every Sonnenfeld movie......

    by odo19

    except maybe RV. Not saying Sonnenfeld is trying to copy Burton just that they seem to have the same aesthetic and sense of humor.

  • March 20, 2010, 8:38 p.m. CST

    Sonnenfeld was the Coen brothers' cinematographer

    by palimpsest

    the Addams movies he made are like Coens for kids - especially the second one.

  • March 20, 2010, 8:46 p.m. CST

    Burton has lost it for years now...

    by ominus

    he is only doing adaptations and remakes.I miss the originality and ingenuity of his first films like Beetlejuice,Pee Wee Herman,Scissorhand,etc <p>Now he is only for the money,he only focuses on the visuals,he keeps overusing, until the point of vomit, Johny Depp and his ugly wife and now he started remaking his own stuff. <p>I am sorry mr Burton you were one of my most favorite film directors,but now you are a shallow shadow of your old great self.

  • March 20, 2010, 8:56 p.m. CST

    Burton remaking his own stuff now

    by Malick663

    Give me a break. The guy hasn't made a good film in almost 2 decades.

  • March 20, 2010, 8:57 p.m. CST

    Wonderland II revenge of frankenweenie

    by KonkBob

  • March 20, 2010, 9:15 p.m. CST

    Burton's short

    by fassbinder79

    I love the original Frankenweenie short. I haven't liked a single Burton film since Ed Wood (his last good film in my opinion) but hopefully this news means he's going to return to his roots.

  • March 20, 2010, 9:22 p.m. CST

    Alice not scary for 5 year olds.

    by jimbojones123

    Coroline scares the living snot out of my daughter, but she LOVED Alice. I was actually kinda let down that it really was not scary at all. Red Queen was obnoxious, but nothing scary.

  • March 20, 2010, 9:24 p.m. CST

    Hey, Tim.

    by SmokingRobot

    Make a movie, ok? A real movie. NOT a 'Tim Burton' movie. You are turning into a caricature of yourself.

  • March 20, 2010, 9:52 p.m. CST

    Colt19801980, last filmmaker to remake his own short...

    by Nasty In The Pasty

    ...District 9'a Neill Blomkampp (or however you spell it).

  • March 20, 2010, 9:54 p.m. CST


    by madmaximustdie

    And thus the venom poureth...I don't understand the vitriol unless he's simply moved out of the demographic represented here. For my money, his craft is deepening. His earlier challenges with narrative are strengthening. He still weds THEME to SPECTACLE and his best is yet ahead.

  • March 20, 2010, 10:01 p.m. CST

    The Addams comics were funny


    and Dark Shadows should be good. But please make a few more Non-Franchise, Non-Johnny Depp, creations to level out things.

  • March 20, 2010, 10:15 p.m. CST

    Took my 4 year old to see Alice

    by jr42602

    And she loved it, runs around screaming off with your head all day long.

  • March 20, 2010, 11:46 p.m. CST

    I heard Alice was bad...

    by The_Crimson_King

    I haven't seen it, but I've heard some negative reviews and Vern's review was middling, too bad because I'm a big fan of early Burton, here's hoping he can make a comeback with this

  • March 20, 2010, 11:46 p.m. CST


    by The_Crimson_King

    ha! that sounds cute

  • March 21, 2010, 2:04 a.m. CST

    I'm interested in Tim's career again.

    by hallmitchell

    Frankenweenie, Malificent, Adama Family, 3D, Stop motion. Very interesting.

  • March 21, 2010, 2:06 a.m. CST

    Alice was like a chocolate Easter egg

    by BenBraddock

    Great looking but hollow. Where was the plot? A disappointment...

  • March 21, 2010, 2:48 a.m. CST


    by Gorgomel

  • March 21, 2010, 3:34 a.m. CST

    Re: remaking your own short film...

    by GeorgeDorn

    Billy Bob Thornton remade his own short of Sling Blade. That turned out pretty well. As did District 9, as said above.

  • March 21, 2010, 5:04 a.m. CST

    Sling Blade

    by BixbySnyder

    <p>Is a rip-off of a 1982 swedish movie called 'Den enfaldige mördaren'</p> <p>in english: "The Simple-Minded Murderer", starring Stellan Skarsgård.</p> <p></p> <p>Hence, that block of wood Skarsgårds Hollywood career. It's called blackmail.</p> <p>Of course, this is just my(and others)speculation.</p>

  • March 21, 2010, 7:06 a.m. CST

    No different from Blomkamp remaking District 9

    by PaulSC

    I don't have a problem with him doing this. Burton's public enemy no 1 for internet geeks these days so I expect it to get slagged to high heaven regardless of whether it's good or bad.

  • March 21, 2010, 7:29 a.m. CST know what?

    by Anything But Tangerines

    Say what you will about the royal ass clown Tim Burton, but his highness is still one of the only people with big studio clout that is furthering the art of stop-motion. I think if it weren't for "Tim Burton's" Nightmare Before Christmas, the art form would pretty much be dead right now. Certainly it would not be thriving as well as it is today.

  • March 21, 2010, 7:37 a.m. CST

    Same goes for Batman

    by Anything But Tangerines

    You people think your beloved Dark Knight would be on your shelf right now if Tim Burton hadn't done what he did to Batman? WB is still coasting on Burton's aesthetic fumes.

  • March 21, 2010, 7:48 a.m. CST

    Burton's Batman......

    by Dallas1701D

    was surely the start of something big for Batman, but the only good thing that led to was Bruce Timm's BATMAN: The Animated Series, and the whole DC animated universe to follow. The critical failure of the Schumaker films would have squashed the Bat if it wasn't for the absolutely brilliant "tweak" of Burton's formula they applied to the cartoons. He may have invented the wheel, but he didn't make it roll. Give credit where credit is due.

  • March 21, 2010, 7:51 a.m. CST

    Frankenweenie: The Lorena Bobbitt story

    by BumLove

  • March 21, 2010, 8:03 a.m. CST


    by Anything But Tangerines

    if I wasn't watching enough saturday morning cartoons to realize that they actually mean anything for feature films. I guess if you watch enough Spongebob Squarepants you might call copycat on everyone from Judd Apatow to Gore Verbinski, but it still only gives you half a dimwitted point. Switch your set to video 1 and get the real picture.

  • March 21, 2010, 8:07 a.m. CST

    Tim Burton Lifetime Achievement Award

    by Ray Gamma

    For making the exact same movie 20 times in a row.

  • March 21, 2010, 8:08 a.m. CST

    the batman franchise...

    by emeraldboy

    made 300million worldwide. more if you take in Nolans movies. the dark knight is the biggest and most successful batman film ever. it made billions. what the critics think does not matter. the phantom of the opera sequel will make money. it has nearly twn million in the bank because of the pre sale tickets.

  • March 21, 2010, 8:12 a.m. CST

    This man turns boners into turds

    by MC_DLyte

    Yes he make some great movies in a past... some of my very favorites but since Ed Woods he is become a explosive shit machine gun. Big Fishes is ok but everything else sucks the pimples of my balls

  • March 21, 2010, 8:32 a.m. CST

    He's going to stretch a 30 minute short into a 90 minute

    by The Reluctant Austinite

    feature? And "The Addams Family"? I hope he makes "Frankenweenie" a stop-motion short to play before one of his feature films. Burton is becoming a one trick pony with his choices. Now, I don't expect Burton to sign on to something like "Transformers 3" or something like that, but these gothy quirky films for the family set are almost indistinguishable. I'm at least a little interested in "Dark Shadows", which at least promises a more adult vibe to counter the whole "Twilight" phenomenon.

  • March 21, 2010, 8:59 a.m. CST

    Ed Wood

    by elsewhere

    The last great Burton film. What happened man.

  • March 21, 2010, 8:59 a.m. CST

    'Tim Burtons Frankenweenie'

    by BixbySnyder

    Sounds like a Home-porno...

  • March 21, 2010, 10:10 a.m. CST

    I didnt like Big fish...

    by emeraldboy

    reminded me too much like Forrest Gump. Ending was nice. Even Ben Button was based on the short by the author of the great gatesby, every single part of ben button reminded me of Forrest Gump. from the scene with the boat, the stuff with the guesthouse. I didnt like that much etiher.

  • March 21, 2010, 10:31 a.m. CST

    George Lucas to direct THX 1138!

    by theycallmemrtibbs

  • March 21, 2010, 11:59 a.m. CST

    i guess Burton can't win with some of you

    by Bouncy X

    some of y'all bitch and moan over the many, many directors who don't do anything special and just make movies anyone else could make. i'm sure you have some label for those people but i can't be bothered to look it up. then here's Burton who, whether you like his work or not, can at least say is unique and his own, you know when its a Burton movie and now people complain that he only does his similar style?

  • March 21, 2010, 12:05 p.m. CST

    Hitchcock remade Man Who Knew Too Much

    by cymbalta4thedevil

    What a Hack! He Only Makes Hitchcock Movies!

  • March 21, 2010, 12:08 p.m. CST

    I don't mind remaking Frankenweenie

    by ghost_matt

    But the Addams Family does not need a remake. The 90s movie was well done and still holds up, and for years I thought Burton directed it anyway so his version probably wouldn't be that different. Really don't need a remake with Johnny Depp as Gomez and Bonham Carter as Morticia.

  • March 21, 2010, 12:19 p.m. CST

    Once again, Dr. Strange

    by BixbySnyder

    With Depp as Strange. That's pretty much all i would watch from Burton.

  • March 21, 2010, 12:45 p.m. CST

    It's true, at least Burton has stuck to his story.

    by The Reluctant Austinite

    He does have a definite and immediately recognizable style, and yes, I do prefer that over completely styless directors. Like the Ramones and AC/DC, he has stuck to the same cords and look his whole career. Whenever he has deviated from that path, like in "Planet of the Apes" (a sunny, bright and colorful landscape), the results have been disasterous. In fact, the whole message in "The Nightmare Before Christmas" is "stick to what you do best." Still, I haven't been excited by his recent projects in spite of their enormous box-office success. Doctor Strange sounds like a brilliant plan if he wants to adapt something else. I've been saying Johnny Depp would be the perfect Doctor Strange for a couple of years now. It would be fun to see Burton's take on the darker, weirder side of the Marvel Universe. We've seen "The Addams Family" before--and not that long ago. He's done "Frankenweenie" before too, and it's pretty good the way it is. Maybe he could tackle "The Munsters" instead. We already dodged a bullet with the attempted Wayans Brothers project to make "The Munsters", but Burton could certainly do that justice. I just want him to get his hands on a project that hasn't been done before a number of times like "Alice in Wonderland" and lay his style on top it. "Ed Wood", for example, was an original story and he made a great film out of it. "Beetlejuice" was an extremely oringinal story. "Pee Wee" was singular. I know it's very difficult to get anything greenlit that doesn't already have name sake value these days, but I think Burton's latest box-office should give him a little clout.

  • March 21, 2010, 12:50 p.m. CST

    Hang on, i even thought up a tagline

    by BixbySnyder

    For Doc Strange. It's on another talkback somewhere. Lemme see if i can dig it up.

  • March 21, 2010, 12:54 p.m. CST

    "Dr. Strange" w Depp as Doc Strange

    by BixbySnyder

    And Alan Rickman as Dormammu. Tagline: <p>"Appearing In Magical3D 2012"</p>

  • March 21, 2010, 1:19 p.m. CST

    Oh My God

    by DarthMusashi2112

    If you don't like Tim Burton, and don't think he has made a good film film since Ed Wood, then WHY the Fuck are you going?!?! The man must be doing something right, over 400 million worldwide for Alice? That's a lot of asses in theater seats, and I was one of them. Twice. He's not for everybody, but for those of us who like him, we really like him. A lot.

  • March 21, 2010, 2:12 p.m. CST

    Batman 89 Has issues

    by BixbySnyder

    Batmobile 89 Rules though. And the Bat-wing. I would like to see a Nolan Bat-wing, maybe a converted harrier jet?

  • March 21, 2010, 2:30 p.m. CST

    Hmm. I could hear Rickman as Doom

    by BixbySnyder

    Even though i don't follow comics much anymore, i KNOW that Doom could have his own movie! <p>At least animated! Come on Marvel, make it happen. Here you have your perfect PIXAR project. That or a CGI-MACHINE MAN(with a monotone Keanu Reeves).</p <p>The Doom Story is too epic to be shoehorned into a F4 movie.</p> <p>And let's not get into how Doom was treated in that movie.</p>

  • March 21, 2010, 5:27 p.m. CST

    batman forever

    by jacksparness

    I've always wondered how much involvement Burton had with Batman Forever, or even what he thought of it. I know he had a producer credit...

  • March 21, 2010, 6:18 p.m. CST

    Burton going back to his roots...

    by Soundblaster

    ...indicates he may be re-evaluating his career. If that's the case, we may very well see something "new" and "original" from him in the near future. Whether one feels his work has become stale as of late, it's difficult to deny that Burton is, in fact, an auteur- his reputation truly precedes him. How his vision transforms depends upon the experience of making FRANKENWEENIE. It's possible that remaking the film that garnered him so much success will close a creative cycle for Burton, and usher in one anew. He may surprise us yet.

  • March 21, 2010, 6:27 p.m. CST

    My real point - and someone correct me if I'm wrong

    by Anything But Tangerines

    I never read Batman comics, so please correct me if this is wrong, but whose idea was it to put a monotone black rubber suit on Batman? I always thought that he wore either blue and gray or black and gray tights in the comics. If that's the case then Tim Burton should still be getting royalties off every subsequent Batman film because that's all he wears now. That whole functionally gothic design has been carried over from film after film long after Burton left. That's what I'm trying to say here is that he basically redesigned Batman, and it seemed to stick. If that was Burton's input then he deserves a lot of credit.

  • March 21, 2010, 6:33 p.m. CST

    the fact that he's still making stopmotion


    projects and not dropping everything for cg, motion capture and blue screen is a good sign.

  • March 21, 2010, 6:36 p.m. CST

    Tim Burton is out of ideas

    by SavageJuicebox

    Do we really need a fucking Frankenweenie movie? The short is enough for god sake make something original again!

  • March 21, 2010, 6:40 p.m. CST

    Anything But Tangerines

    by Soundblaster

    The black rubber suit was, indeed, Burton's original idea. Adding texture (three-dimensionality) to the superhero's costume grounds them in a world closer to our own than the 2D pages of a comic book. Every subsequent superhero film since has taken notes from Burton's BATMAN.

  • March 21, 2010, 8:42 p.m. CST

    For all the scared wimp-ass 5 year olds...

    by theJackalope

    kids SHOULD see movies that scare them. But oh, no! Everything has to be bright sweet sunshiny perfect goodness and hugs and puppies without any harsh consequences or scary images/ideas (for GOD's sake DON'T kill Bambi's mother!!!). We don't want to wisk twaumatizing the poor widdle kiddies' tender psyches--or actually give them anything to actually THINK about! Heaven forfend!!!! That said: Frankenweenie in stop-motion & 3-D will kick ass! I love the short but always thought it was, well, too short. And doing it in stop-motion will make for some opportunities for wonderful weirdness.

  • March 21, 2010, 9:41 p.m. CST

    Is Johnny Depp in it?

    by theycallmemrtibbs

  • March 21, 2010, 9:41 p.m. CST

    dear GOD, please

    by frank cotton

    not a 'munsters' movie - or 'gilligan', or 'gomer fuckin' pyle', please, just make it stop...

  • March 21, 2010, 9:51 p.m. CST

    "Pee Wee's Big Adventure" = Tim Burton's Best Film

    by RosemarysBabyDaddy

    ...not to mention BEST FILM OF ALL TIME. Besides "Casablanca". Which was NOT a Tim Burton film, btw. And I am sick and tired of everybody being so possessive over these movies. "Tyler Perry's Tim Burton's Charles Addams' ADDAMS FAMILY based on the novel PUSH by Sapphire"...give me a fucking break. That's what the film credits are for, egomaniacs.

  • March 21, 2010, 10:16 p.m. CST

    Batman: TAS is as sfar removed from "Saturday Morning Cartoons".

    by Nasty In The Pasty you can possibly get. In fact, I pretty much consider it THE definitive version of the Dark Knight of the past two decades. Yeah, Burton's Bat-films were what caused Warner Bros. to take a chance on the series, but Bruce Timm, Paul Dini & company made their version of The Bat the best Batman series ever. The Nolan films are cool and all, but they ARE flawed (the music FUCKING SUCKS, and Shirley Walker is rolling around in her premature grave).

  • March 21, 2010, 10:21 p.m. CST

    "Scared wimp-ass five year olds"

    by Nasty In The Pasty

    You know, it IS true that children's entertainment is ridiculously sanitized these days. You used to have 80s-era Spielberg tots yeling things like "Penis-Breath" and "Shit" all the time in PG-rated movies, but now the worst language you can get away with in a PG film is *maybe* an occasional "damn" or "hell". Let the kiddies soak up all the flatulence and belching they want, but heaven forbid they hear kids say something that *any* self-respecting kid has already heard whispered on the playgound at school by the time they're ten.

  • March 22, 2010, 6:41 a.m. CST

    tim burton..

    by emeraldboy

    Tim Burtons childhood remains out of bounds to interviewers. He doesnt talk about his childhood to anyone. which menas something really bad happened. there is a story that he bricked up his bedroom and that while working at disney he crawled into a desk drawer under neith his desk.

  • March 22, 2010, 6:46 a.m. CST

    Tim burton..

    by emeraldboy

    does not give detailed interviews to screenwriters. he meets up with them. takes out his sketch book. and doodles. then leaves. he communicates by drawing. Once during a disaggreement, helena bonhma carter, saw on his desk a drawing of her as a giant hyderofilic head.

  • March 22, 2010, 7:28 a.m. CST

    WTF emeralboy

    by Anything But Tangerines

    Is Tim Burton now some kind of loser Chuck Norris?

  • March 22, 2010, 8:33 a.m. CST

    Batman 89 was superb


    And most of you geeks hated that so dont give me this shit about him slipping, alot of you didnt like him from day one.

  • March 22, 2010, 9:05 a.m. CST

    does anyone remember those Batman Shops?

    by TheManWhoCan

    that popped up in 1989 and sold a load of batman movie merchandise? I was only 10 but I still have vivid memorys of the shop. My parents bought me a batman jigsaw puzzle, the picture was just the yellow batman symbol from the movie on a black background the same size of an LP record cover.On the way home a mugger shot my parents leaving me an orphan.(maybe thats why the memory sticks out so much)

  • March 22, 2010, 9:20 a.m. CST

    by Anything But Tangerines

    sounds like a terrible puzzle

  • March 22, 2010, 11:36 a.m. CST

    A Helluva good resume compared with most..

    by Lane_myers111

    Youve got to admit hes got an amazing visual style and has made mostly quality work. Alice in Wonderland (2010) Sweeney Todd (2007) - Pretty Good Corpse Bride (2005) - Didnt like Charlie and the Chocolate Factory (2005) - Not Bad but Depp Miscast Big Fish (2003) - Good Film Planet of the Apes (2001) - Shitfest Sleepy Hollow (1999) - Pretty Good Mars Attacks! (1996) - Awesome Ed Wood (1994) - Awesome Batman Returns (1992) - Love It Edward Scissorhands (1990) - Very Good Batman (1989) - Love It Beetle Juice (1988) - My Favourite of his i think Pee-wee's Big Adventure (1985) - awesome

  • March 22, 2010, 12:34 p.m. CST

    I have every single tim burton film...

    by emeraldboy

    I loved them all. thought big fish was weak thought the ending was wonderful.

  • March 22, 2010, 1:27 p.m. CST

    people have some kind

    by emeraldboy

    of precious connection to batman.

  • March 22, 2010, 7:03 p.m. CST


    by BixbySnyder

  • March 23, 2010, 3:58 p.m. CST

    Frankenweenie is class

    by u.k. star

    I'm looking forward to the feature length version, as I have looked forward to every movie Burton has made since Beetlejuice. Batman Returns, (which I know is a Tim Burton film with Batman in, rather than a Batman film) gets nowhere near the required respect it deserves. <BR> <BR> The closest Burton comes to a poor movie is the studio meddled Planet of The Apes. The fact that Burton managed to be the first filmmaker (Unless I've missed some) to make an Alice movie with something resembling a genuine, linear plot, and an interesting one at that deserves praise and I too am at a loss as to why one of the few genuinely stylish and creative film makers in mainstream movies gets such crap on the net. I could understand it if it was just the old, you either like (get) Burton movies or you don't stuff: But it isn't there's a weird anti Burton brigade out there. Alice was fun and cool and for my soon to be 5 year old just scary enough. His Charlie and the Chocolate Factory is a near to perfect adaptation of the source book as you could hope for, very creative, especially in turning the poems / songs in the book into different music genre pieces in the film. For some reason the Corpse Bride not being as good as Coralline or Nightmare seems to be reason to say that it’s shit, rather than it's very good but not quite up there with the stop motion greats. Oh the guy further up is right, Burton is one of the main reasons stop motion movies can still get made and released as Hollywood movies. DreamWorks' ditching of Aardman should remind us of that. <BR> <BR> Again everyone has different tastes but I just don't see the "Burton has lost his artistic soul" thing.

  • April 6, 2010, 7:21 p.m. CST

    the batman returns intro..

    by emeraldboy

    is the best intro to a comic book film of that time. I never really liked that film in its enterity. too many villians. but the sets were awesome. burton and keaton bailed when they saw what came next. proper order too. all six batman films have made billions.