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SARAH PALIN SHOW Likely Headed To Discovery Or A&E!!

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More televised Sarah Palin is on the way! Palin’s trip to blue-state Los Angeles is yielding big bucks for the former red-state governor. While the broadcast networks (even Fox) passed on the show she’s mounting with “Survivor”/”Apprentice” producer Mark Burnett, it’s apparently finding some traction with basic cable. Variety reports A&E and Discovery are among those bidding on the project, and “a decision could be made in the next day or two.” Reports indicate the series would follow Palin, who last summer made headlines accusing David Letterman of joking about raping her 14-year-old daughter, and her family as they explore the state Palin governed for 18 months. Presumably the new show would follow a more sanitized version of the Palin clan than the one recently described by almost son-in-law Levi Johnston or E! As Variety points out, A&E sister History channel has found success with the Alaska-based “Ice Road Truckers” while Discovery has done the same with Alaska-based “The Deadliest Catch.” The paper suggests the show would cost the channels about a million dollars per episode, a big step up from $125,000 per year Palin was earning as Alaska governor. Variety also speculates that Burnett hopes to eventually launch Palin in her own daytime talk show. Find all of Variety's story on the matter here.
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  • March 18, 2010, 2:42 p.m. CST

    Wow

    by shodan6672

    She's apparently going to be even more useless.

  • March 18, 2010, 2:43 p.m. CST

    DC: Dumb Cunt

    by Simpsonian

  • March 18, 2010, 2:45 p.m. CST

    Wow... Biased much?

    by tailhook

    Obviously a case of Palin Derangement Syndrome at work.

  • March 18, 2010, 2:48 p.m. CST

    I don't particularly care for Sarah Palin...

    by tailhook

    but she does have one great benefit in that liberals absolutely cannot hold their shit when talking about her. You know IMMEDIATELY when you've come across one as all feigned objectively is dropped instantly and the Pure Liberal is exposed immediately for who he or she actually is. ITS GOOD STUFF.

  • March 18, 2010, 2:48 p.m. CST

    tailhook

    by shodan6672

    As well as a case of someone rehashing a Conservative meme on your part.

  • March 18, 2010, 2:48 p.m. CST

    I'd rather see it head to the Spice Network.

    by AzulTool

    Mercilessly gangbanged live every night. No holes barred, Zero fucking tolerence.

  • March 18, 2010, 2:50 p.m. CST

    Actually

    by shodan6672

    I would say it's a good test of someone's intelligence to see how they react to her. No intelligent person could react favorably to her carnie routine. Even Fox backed off of her show for God's sake.

  • March 18, 2010, 2:50 p.m. CST

    What are you doing, Mark Burnett?

    by Kevin Bosch

    What are you doing? Stop it. Stop it!

  • March 18, 2010, 2:56 p.m. CST

    Rather Watch Palin Than...

    by blhotz

    Than Obama speaking... OMG what a farce of a "good" communicator... umm... uh... but... stutter, stutter, at least Palin can put sentences together without those annoying words.

  • March 18, 2010, 2:57 p.m. CST

    Of Course

    by blhotz

    Obama is a farce of a President too but really doubt Palin would have been better though she has the experience and more common sense.

  • March 18, 2010, 2:57 p.m. CST

    blhotz

    by shodan6672

    Right, she just speaks inanely and peppers her speech with intentional "folksy" mannerisms. Much less annoying.

  • March 18, 2010, 3:04 p.m. CST

    I guess

    by Sonny_Williams

    the Comedy Channel didn't have an opening in their schedule.

  • March 18, 2010, 3:07 p.m. CST

    Palin headed to A&E?

    by thommcg

    Pity she's not... A&E over in Ireland refers to "Accident & Emergency", as opposed to ER. Palin 2012, ugggh :(

  • March 18, 2010, 3:08 p.m. CST

    blhotz

    by thommcg

    You betcha!

  • March 18, 2010, 3:09 p.m. CST

    Cashing in

    by SwedishChef

    nothing more. This moron couldn't lead ants to a picnic. She is just cashing paychecks at this point and couldn't care less about this country or it's citizens. If the republican party plans on losing the next election, they should nominate this shit for brains as their candidate.

  • March 18, 2010, 3:09 p.m. CST

    blhotz

    by Hercules

    you might have missed her interviews with Katie Couric and Charlie Gibson. I think she might have snuck an "uh" or two in there. I'll post it above so you can see for yourself.

  • March 18, 2010, 3:12 p.m. CST

    Sarah Palin = Snowbilly Grifter

    by Br0ken_Finger

    Sarah Palin is the sideshow freak of modern politics. She's perfect for reality TV!

  • March 18, 2010, 3:13 p.m. CST

    I swear, there's something wrong with me.

    by Nice Marmot

    I want to see Palin naked so damn bad.

  • March 18, 2010, 3:13 p.m. CST

    she's a dumb cunt

    by IAmLegolas

    that is all. DISAPPEAR INTO OBSCURITY ALREADY!!!! And where's my Octo-Mom reality show?

  • March 18, 2010, 3:16 p.m. CST

    What's the difference

    by Sonny_Williams

    between Sarah Palin and Octo-mom?<p> <p> One fertility treatment.

  • March 18, 2010, 3:19 p.m. CST

    Conservatives don't have a prayer in the world

    by HucksterFinn

    This is their favored candidate for president?? She's a lucky idiot who hit the jackpot by being thrust into the spotlight after being chosen as running mate. All she does these days is lead her own mini-empire. She can't even be bothered or care to serve as a public servant. All she cares about is running her industry, yet millions of red staters would come out in droves to vote for her. Idiots! Nominate Arnold!

  • March 18, 2010, 3:20 p.m. CST

    What happened to Palin's Fox news gig?

    by Geomancer21

    And, uh, you can't possible be comparing this type of show to "Ice Road truckers" or "Deadliest Catch". Yeah, both are successful, and both are in Alaska. But those two shows, love 'em or hate 'em, have appeal because of the drama caused by the people involved having serious risk to their lives. Their jobs (and they are jobs, not just people on vacation) are dangerous, and that creates compelling tv. You might as well say her show would fit on TLC because that station has shows that also feature people with deformities.

  • March 18, 2010, 3:21 p.m. CST

    First election maneuver?

    by Lorquaine

    Liberal MSM trying to take Failin' Palin out of the political game?

  • March 18, 2010, 3:22 p.m. CST

    FFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

    by turketron_2

    UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCK

  • March 18, 2010, 3:24 p.m. CST

    Palin and Discovery don't mix

    by schadenfreudian

    They have programs that use science as a stepping off point. She should have a show on TBN. <BR> But frankly, I'd love to see her run against Obmama for the presidency, if only to witness Obama vs her white trash Palm Pilot.

  • March 18, 2010, 3:28 p.m. CST

    Obmama = Obama

    by schadenfreudian

    I guess I shoulda written his name on my hand.

  • March 18, 2010, 3:29 p.m. CST

    LOL @ all the Palin haters...

    by BLEST

    Obama has now gotten a higher DISapproval rating than approval in Daily Gallup tracking....<p>It took Bush 6 years to do that, and Obama true to form has beaten him for worst prez ever and done it in 14 months.<p>How's that hope and change workin' for ya Herc?<p>No worries...Romney, the Huck, and Jindal will clean up the country over the next decade. <p>P.S, "We don't want healthcare and we are a center-right nation, ok liberals!" - Sincerely, the American People (see Scott Brown, senator from Mass. for reference)

  • March 18, 2010, 3:33 p.m. CST

    LOL @ BLEST

    by Br0ken_Finger

    Ha ha! Quit trying to change the subject. We're talking about Palin here, numbnuts.

  • March 18, 2010, 3:34 p.m. CST

    Discover... how a retard bimbo almost destroyed the country

    by Xaximus

    Discovery? Really?!? She'd certain be entertaining, but come on.

  • March 18, 2010, 3:35 p.m. CST

    @ BLEST

    by Lorquaine

    I don't hate Palin. She's simply a retard.

  • March 18, 2010, 3:38 p.m. CST

    I like 2 things about her

    by covenant

    She's attractive (wouldn't kick her MILFY body out of bed for eating crackers); And she gives the liberal media fits. She's definitely not the brightest bulb (Africa's a country? Really?), but she's passionate about her beliefs...beliefs that I, as a Libertarian, almost completely disagree with. But I gotta give her credit for her passion. And I loooooove how the liberal media reacts to her. Total apoplexy. Hysterical. For the record, I would NEVER vote for her, and I hope she never climbs higher politically than the governorship.

  • March 18, 2010, 3:40 p.m. CST

    Isn't her 15 minutes up yet?

    by Acappellaman

    She just needs to go away. She's even a joke to the Republicans now. She's done. Just... done.

  • March 18, 2010, 3:41 p.m. CST

    "How's that hope and change workin' for ya Herc?"

    by Hercules

    I can't speak for anybody else, but for me really dang well. My 401k is up 45% since Obama took over. Hope and change is working for me! If Obama can get health care reform passed, better still!

  • March 18, 2010, 3:46 p.m. CST

    Good for you Herc...

    by Hairy Nutsack

    I haven't worked in almost a year and have ZERO prospects, and I know a lot of people in my exact same situation. I'd Bush's economy over this shitfest any day.

  • March 18, 2010, 3:46 p.m. CST

    Sarah Palin named her Down's son, Trig, after his syndrome

    by BumLove

    I heard about this recently; apparently Down's syndrome, in addition to being referred to as Trisomy 21, is also referred to as Trisomy G, or Tri-G. SP named her Down's son....Trig. Some will argue that Trig is of Norse origin, and that's where she got the name from, but I find this to be a coincidence far too great, especially since the name is so unusual to begin with. And the Palin's have a history of choosing the most convenient and simplistic names for their kids....as their son Track was named such because Sarah's parents were both coaches and all of their family was involved in track. <p> It's kind of messed up when you think about it. An analogy I heard was that it's like naming an AIDS baby.....AIDS.

  • March 18, 2010, 3:54 p.m. CST

    I'd rather watch flies fuck

    by Luscious.868

    than listen to even 5 seconds of that rambling idiot. She's as sharp as a 2x4 and a huge part of the reason why Republicans are no longer to be taken seriously.

  • March 18, 2010, 3:55 p.m. CST

    At least with the dems, we have "hope and change"

    by Pizza The Hut

    With the Republicans, it's typically "NO Change". Both parties are generally pretty good at raping your every last dollar from you though.

  • March 18, 2010, 3:56 p.m. CST

    RE: "How's that hope and change workin' for ya..."

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    And there you have it, folks. The bumper-sticker mantra of GOP/conservative knuckleheads brought to you with a Palin wink n' smile and not the slightest bit of irony.<P>Good lord.

  • March 18, 2010, 3:56 p.m. CST

    BLEST

    by The Garbage Man

    You mean the Scott Brown from Massachusetts, where they have mandatory health care which provides free or subsidized care if you earn less than 300% of the federal poverty level? The Scott Brown who says he supports the Massachusetts health care system, which itself is the model for Obama's federal health care plan? <p>Is that the one you mean?

  • March 18, 2010, 3:56 p.m. CST

    A real leader

    by shutupfanboy

    who took the payday instead of governing. That should tell you all you need to know about Palin.

  • March 18, 2010, 3:57 p.m. CST

    Hairy Nutsack

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Dude, sorry to hear about the employment situation. Hang in there; I hope things turn around for you soon.

  • March 18, 2010, 4:01 p.m. CST

    Hairy

    by Six Demon Bag

    I just love the idiots who don't realize that it was the previous president who fucked everything up...

  • March 18, 2010, 4:01 p.m. CST

    Sorry about Obama

    by Voice O. Reason

    I know the Republicans can't understand why its taking him over a year to clean up the mess they made, but it'd be easier if you guys didn't jump on tv and call him a communist or ask for his birth certificate every time he tries to do something.

  • March 18, 2010, 4:02 p.m. CST

    hee, hee, hee

    by BLEST

    November is really going to suck for some people on this board...<p>Only thing worse will be November 2012!<p>Btw, I think Palin's a dope too. She's a great cheerleader for the conservatives though!

  • March 18, 2010, 4:03 p.m. CST

    ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

    by Damned if I can login

    Wha..??? ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.......

  • March 18, 2010, 4:04 p.m. CST

    This woman was vying to be VP

    by Six Demon Bag

    It shows how much thought she put into it and her state...she like a grubby whore went for the buck.

  • March 18, 2010, 4:06 p.m. CST

    can a&e or discovery really be that desperate?

    by JaredP

    come on the bitch isnt coherent at all is she going to write all her lines on her hand? the smae hand she probably uses to jerk off? fuck her!!!

  • March 18, 2010, 4:06 p.m. CST

    I'd watch if she does it ala Naked News

    by mistergreen

  • March 18, 2010, 4:06 p.m. CST

    @Garbage man

    by BLEST

    Yep, the Scott Brown from Mass. who ran as "41" meaning the 41st senate vote to block Obamacare and in that same state of Mass., running as "41", was elected over the candidate that Obama himself tried to pimp.<p>That's who I mean.

  • March 18, 2010, 4:08 p.m. CST

    The Republicans under Bush tried to rob everyone blind

    by Pizza The Hut

    They saw the housing market crisis coming, had the SEC remove the "uptick rule" from the stock market (which had been protecting the market from crashes since The Great Depression), and then they essentially shorted the shit out of all the stocks. How ironic that Bush brings in Hank Paulsen to save the day, who just happened to work previously at Goldman Sachs.

  • March 18, 2010, 4:18 p.m. CST

    Pizza the Hut

    by Craig2574

    Both parties saw this coming and did nothing! To you Herc health care will not be free nor afforadable. The way both parties are spending this country is about to collapse into debt. Also more and more people are going to bail on this country when the taxes get to high. What people do not understand money is mobile and people will move their funds and themselves to another country. Enjoy your so called free health care moochers as the producers will be jetting someplace else!

  • March 18, 2010, 4:18 p.m. CST

    also

    by Craig2574

    Sarah Palin is an idiot and I thankful that she is doing TV shows right now. Hopefully Obama will be joining her in 2 years.

  • March 18, 2010, 4:19 p.m. CST

    the old order in ireland is dying..

    by emeraldboy

  • March 18, 2010, 4:19 p.m. CST

    Palin-Drones

    by Squinty CGI Flynn

    Suggested show title

  • March 18, 2010, 4:20 p.m. CST

    spidercoz, you're cool

    by BumLove

    Hey everyone, look at me, I'm different! Such originality is so hard to come by, spidercoz.

  • March 18, 2010, 4:40 p.m. CST

    The unfortunate truth is this-

    by schadenfreudian

    The rich of BOTH parties don't give a shit about you, your job, your family, your health or your mortgage unless it effects their bottom line. <BR> The amount of contempt and cynicism towards the voters apparent on both sides of the aisle is fucking sickening.

  • March 18, 2010, 4:42 p.m. CST

    Craig2574

    by Pizza The Hut

    I would agree with you that both parties were probably in on "the big short", along with Soros. I'm sure they both made a killing while everyone's stocks, 401k's, etc. went in the toilet. All the money they made from shorting / looting / stealing is now sitting in overseas accounts.

  • March 18, 2010, 4:42 p.m. CST

    As they used to say in "Esquire"

    by cookylamoo

    Shut up and show us your tits!

  • March 18, 2010, 4:42 p.m. CST

    BLEST: way to dodge the question

    by mrgray

    You want to maybe address the MA universal health care point raised by GarbageMan or just continue towing the party line?

  • March 18, 2010, 4:43 p.m. CST

    ahhh Herc

    by Darkseidsboytoy

    Got to love ya brother. Again your left leaning view fly out the moment someone disagrees with you and your slanted views, and I do love the way you would bring up interviews that were cut and edited to make the woman look , shall we say, less than professional. But hey, any site that would spend two weeks supporting the child rapist Polanski, well not much less can be expected of you. As for your 401k, I call bullshit, pure bullshit. Lastly, you want to pay for some illegals medical bills, you are aware that you can make straight donations to your local hospital that has funds set up for those without insurance, correct?

  • March 18, 2010, 4:45 p.m. CST

    also, BLEST, "we" think Brown can blow "us"

    by mrgray

    I'm glad one Senator from one state thinks he speaks for the whole of America. This is appropriate, actually, for a Sarah Palin tb, considering her stance about "real" Americans.

  • March 18, 2010, 4:49 p.m. CST

    Yeah yeah, everyone's the same.

    by gotilk

    Then why does one party want to stop things like stem cell research? It's intellectually lazy but somehow hip to say these days that the parties are somehow "secretly" exactly the same. But they never have been and they never will be. It shifts, the differences vary over the years in their extremes, but you're fooling yourself if you think they're identical in some GlennBeckian backroom secret kind of way. Both parties are corrupt, both have their moments of hypocrisy (heh.. some that matter, like.. I dunno.. ALL republicans.. and then there's Gore.. who must be bullshitting us about all that global warming because he took a jet and has a big house.. lol.. idiots) but we all know which one is a damaging kind of batshit insane and which one just pisses you off because you know their policies would piss off your daddy. Who was incidentally "not ready" for a black president. Did he mean not ready like he needed to find his keys? Or was it something else?<br><br> But really, Palin is the least of all our worries. I think the appropriate network for her would be the History channel.

  • March 18, 2010, 4:59 p.m. CST

    No, spidercoz, no contesting here

    by BumLove

    It's just so refreshing to see someone like yourself with such original ideas and a completely unique point of view. You're so different...and special! Can I be your friend?

  • March 18, 2010, 4:59 p.m. CST

    mrgray

    by BLEST

    What was his point? That in Mass. they have a healthcare system similar to Obamacare?<p>Big whoop.<p>It's still gonna cost billions (almost a full trillion), still make it take longer for me to see my doctor (read an excellent article by a doctor that says we are currently 1:9 patient to doctor ratio. If Obamacare passes it'll be closer to 1:27 and less people are going to school to be doctors in the last 20 years. It will equal waiting for Ep1 tickets to see your doc...just wait and see)and still pass a ton of debt off to my kid.<p>It was a non-point.<p>My counter point, which is very valid, is that even in a state where there is a health-care system that is govt. run, the people overwhelming eleceted a Republican to Ted Kennedy's seat based on his stance on terrorism, his fiscal conservative policies, and...wait for it...his stance AGAINST the obamacare plan.<p>Next, please.

  • March 18, 2010, 5:01 p.m. CST

    Darkseidsboytoy

    by cyberskunk

    Regarding paying for medical bills, I only want to mention my (legal citizen) fiancee living in another state would have been dead on two different occasions if hospitals refused to treat her because she didn't have the money for her astronomically expensive emergency operations. I could have sold all my worldly possessions and not have been able to pay her bills.

  • March 18, 2010, 5:05 p.m. CST

    Herc, did you correct your last story?

    by cylon_conspiracy

    <p>The one where you furthered the false allegation that Palin looted that "gifting" shop, when the owner of the store said nothing of the sort happened? http://tinyurl.com/yl5uoft</p> <p>I don't recall you updating the story to reflect that you fell for a media hoax. I also don't recall you mentioning Palin's great appearance on The Chin, even though you've covered every single story about the Leno/Conan/Letterman war, and every media appearance of Palin. So essentially you ignored what actually happened (Palin's great performance/huge ratings hit on the Chin) and reported a completely false story instead (that she looted the gifting exchange).</p> <p>Good job proving once again that people in the entertainment world should just stay the hell out of political commentary.</p> <p>BTW, from my understanding, this is a show about Alaska, Palin may host segments but it's not going to be about her or her family, but about the people and industry of the state of Alaska.

  • March 18, 2010, 5:08 p.m. CST

    mrgray

    by The Garbage Man

    He'd have to understand the point in order to address it. <p>I'm not holding my breath.

  • March 18, 2010, 5:10 p.m. CST

    One word about "Left and Right are the Same"

    by cylon_conspiracy

    <p>And that word is "bullshit."</p> <p>Left wants government control of most aspects of your life, and all of your money.</p> <p>Right wants government as limited as possible, not involved in your life, and with its hands off your money.</p> <p>People try to rise above it all and be wishy-washy, not picking sides, not having opinions, but instead criticizing others for actually having core beliefs and understanding how politics works, instead of trying to pass their ignorance off as enlightened disinterest.</p> <p>Big Government, or Small Government. Left, Right. Not the same.</p>

  • March 18, 2010, 5:16 p.m. CST

    @The Garbage Man

    by BLEST

    because all conservatives are stupid, right?<p>And from the south, and listen to country, etc...<p>See my above post if you haven't yet, but I get where he was going....nowhere.<p>"But, but,..sputter... Scott Brown has a Mass. healthcare plan that he likes....so, so.. THERE!"<p>It really makes no difference when he RAN AGAINST Obama's plan, for Ted Kennedy's seat, in liberal MASSACHUSSETTES of all places, with Obama "the one" Himself campaigning against him for Coakely, and.....what happened?<p>Oh that's right. The supposedly liberal people, who are supposedly happy with their govt. run healthcare (which was the crux of the point by mrgray, was it not?)VOTED HIM IN by a large majority.<p>Today a poll shows Barbra Boxer in a near dead heat for her senate seat against a Republican.<p><p>The game is over, you guys had your shot with the Prez, Senate, and House and you FUCKING LOST. You fail, you suck, the American people by and large don't want your over-priced policies that change nothing (except to add more govt. control and jack us for our money)and they are letting you know about it. (see NJ, VA, and the aforementioned Mass. election)<p>But please, continue to make fun of Palin if it helps you. You might be able to distract yourelf from the Emperor's lack of wardrobe....

  • March 18, 2010, 5:17 p.m. CST

    Addendum to Cylon's anaylsis of L vs R

    by schadenfreudian

    The Right wants to not be involved in your life, unless you happen to be a woman who wants an abortion, a gay person who wants to get married, or a stoner who wants to smoke a joint in your living room.

  • March 18, 2010, 5:17 p.m. CST

    Addendum to Cylon's anaylsis of L vs R

    by schadenfreudian

    The Right wants to not be involved in your life, unless you happen to be a woman who wants an abortion, a gay person who wants to get married, or a stoner who wants to smoke a joint in your living room.

  • March 18, 2010, 5:20 p.m. CST

    This is the same Burnett that put Blagojevich on NBC

    by chromedome

    right? So Palin and Blagojevich, cut from the same cloth, no shame, no scruples, attention whores--Burnett must have a pre-printed checklist pad to cast his shows....

  • March 18, 2010, 5:22 p.m. CST

    Sorry about the double-post

    by schadenfreudian

    To be fair and balanced, the Left wants to force your kids to learn Spanish, steal your guns, and force you to wade through your garbage for compostables and recylables. When they're not praying to Gaia, giving your job to illegal workers and having gay pot tree hugging orgies, that is. <BR> There, balance restored.

  • March 18, 2010, 5:23 p.m. CST

    Palin is a complete and utter moron.

    by Mister_Eko

    She'd have been a lousy president, just as she was a lousy governor. Granted, Obama's not a good president either, but given how BADLY War Criminal Bush screwed up this country, and how much of an embarrassment he made us in the eyes of the world, I'm very relieved someone as mindbogglingly ill-informed and stupid as Palin didn't succeed him. At least other countries respect Obama. They had no respect whatsoever for Bush, and they'd have laughed their asses off over Palin.

  • March 18, 2010, 5:23 p.m. CST

    I could care less about your body or your bedroom

    by cylon_conspiracy

    <p>You're confusing social conservatives with people who believe in small government. Just like that Stupak guy, the liberal who is going to vote against Health Care because it funds abortions. Does the fact that he is against abortions make him a republican? NO! He believes in big government, high taxes, etc. etc.</p> <p>There are a lot of religious nuts who claim to be right-wingers, but they are a minority.</p> <p>Look at what's going on in the Tea Party right now, they are taking OVER the GOP... and the social issues are not even being discussed! Because people of my generation, people born after the 60s, don't give a shit about that stuff. We care about freedom versus bondage.</p> <p>Many of the issues you care about are states rights issues. Abortion is NOT illegal. And gay marriage is decided on a state by state basis, as it should be (BTW, the government should not be involved in marriage at all, period. That's for the church, being married is about love, not a legal contract.)</p> <p>You need to move past your talking points, not every republican is Jerry Falwell.</p>

  • March 18, 2010, 5:24 p.m. CST

    Darkseidsboytoy

    by Hercules

    My 401k went from 231 to 89 under Bush. That's a 62% decrease. Now it's back up to 166 under Obama. That's an increase of 48%. <p>As for healthcare, I want to pay for you, Darkseidsboytoy, if you get sick, me if I get sick, everybody who gets sick. In the U.S. one week in a hospitial bed will cost you (and/or your insurance company if you're lucky enough to afford decent insurance) a minimum of $50,000. <p>Image now that you lose your job and insurance (not impossible in this economy!) and find yourself stricken with cancer. No insurance company will ever go near you again. <p> Now think some more. Think now about how much money you have in savings at the moment. Now think about how long it would take you to save $50,000. Now imagine you're in the hospital more than a week. <p>In the U.K., France, Italy, Spain, Canada and other nations employing "socialized" medicine a week in the hospital costs the patient nothing. Even members of Britain's conservative party, which fought bitterly against UK health care reform in the 1940s, today hail the British health-care system as a national treasure. <p>If you can find people who have lived in these countries, or even Americans who have utilized these health care systems, talk to them about it. Every one I've spoken to with first-hand experience hail these medical systems as something GREATLY preferable to our own, especially those who have had the opportunity to compare to the United States'. <p> Lawmakers who oppose universal health care like to cry "Go ask the Canadians how they like their health care," implying that it's a horror story. Well, I have asked the Canadians and they seem pretty fucking pleased with it, and especially pleased about not having a system that routinely puts Americans into bankruptcy while insurance company executives grow richer than kings.

  • March 18, 2010, 5:26 p.m. CST

    Blest, read the CBO numbers

    by American Mythos

    The bill reduces the deficit by $130 billion in the first ten years, $1.3 trillion in the next, and pays for itself with cost saving measures. I was actually surprised this morning at how good these numbers look. On a similar note, anyone see the video of the tea partiers shouting down a man with Parkinson's? Clicking on the link I thought, oh good, I can watch a bunch of knuckle draggers make fools of themselves by dehumanizing a fellow human being -- after seeing it it just makes me long for the destruction of humanity: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_PX5L_v_7I <br> <br> It's really pretty sick that Republicans are scraping the lowest dregs of society (more so than in the past) for their support. There really is something almost evil about the tea party movement. I've seen too many incidents of racism and cruelty for other tea partiers to simply say they're isolated. Sure, there are members who aren't that way, who really do advocate for small, reponsible government, but face it -- your in the minority. This is about hate.

  • March 18, 2010, 5:28 p.m. CST

    Herc, you fail

    by BLEST

    I've got friends in their 50's one an IT Engineer for HP, who lived in London for 5 years.<p>Their consensus: Socialism sucks, govt run healthcare is rationed, and you pay alot for it.<p>So aside from what the liberal newspapers tell you, do you know anybody PERSONALLY who's had a good experience with it?<p>Because I dont....

  • March 18, 2010, 5:31 p.m. CST

    BLEST

    by cylon_conspiracy

    <p>Remember when Brown won, the MSM was explaining that the voters of Massachusetts were sending the message that they were mad healthcare was being stalled, they were saying "Obama, we elected you to get health care passed, you ain't doing it, so we're going to send you a warning! Pass that health care now!"</p> <p>http://tinyurl.com/ydtmtfh</p> <p>I haven't seen Alice in Wonderland yet, but watching democrats try to explain what's going in Washington is a good substitute for the time being.</p> <p>

  • March 18, 2010, 5:33 p.m. CST

    BLEST

    by The Garbage Man

    I did see your post. Thanks for proving me right!

  • March 18, 2010, 5:34 p.m. CST

    Prove Racist Accusations or Shut Up

    by cylon_conspiracy

    If you have evidence of racism and cruelty in the tea party, then post your proof. Just calling us racists, trying to make us shut up, because we dare question the POTUS, isn't going to work anymore. Put up, or fuck off.

  • March 18, 2010, 5:35 p.m. CST

    And about socialized medicine

    by American Mythos

    How come Republicans haven't been able to find a spokesman who can attest to their dislike of THEIR Medicare or THEIR Medicaid or THEIR Social Security. All Democratic ideas -- in fact, I even hear old fucks at these tea party rallies shouting "HANDS OFF MY MEDICARE!" Not realizing how fucking stupid they are of course.

  • March 18, 2010, 5:36 p.m. CST

    cylon, I have no beef with you

    by schadenfreudian

    but you didn't specify a difference between social conservatives and fiscal conservatives, you said Left and Right. "Right wants government as limited as possible, not involved in your life, and with its hands off your money." <BR> So, let me just say that I think our taxes ARE too high, that the federal government IS a horribly run machine, and that there's a ton of corruption on the left. I also think Obama has done a pretty crappy job of being a leader. <BR>(as a side note, let me also add that marriage is now and has always been a legal contract and not just a matter of love. That's why a judge can marry two people... well, unless they're both the same sex).

  • March 18, 2010, 5:37 p.m. CST

    Canadian Prime Minster chose our Health Care System

    by cylon_conspiracy

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5h0QC7bditrEb3wYz_6_b-gsGGDxA

  • March 18, 2010, 5:38 p.m. CST

    ...fixed link

    by cylon_conspiracy

    http://tinyurl.com/ykrb7e5

  • March 18, 2010, 5:39 p.m. CST

    One word about "Left and Right are the Same"

    by Mr.FTW

    And that word is "coruption" <p> That is how both parties are the same.<p> The original fundementals of both parties are different but the modern day out come is the same for both. The two party system is going to continue to drive this country in a downward spiral until it crashes and that is a sad state of affairs. People are so blinded and polarzed by people like Obama and Palin that the don't see the forest throught the trees. At the end of the day the highest priority of each party is power and control not the American people. People need to quit being sheep and subscribing to either party, look at what each is supposed to represent and chose the best and move forward. Unfortunaely we have developed such a lethargic culture, as long as the American people are more concerned with Idol, the Kardashians, who Tiger Woods has slept with and placated by the fact they can go to Walmart and get a good deal on a HDTV or sign a new contract with AT&T to get a cheap iPhone things will never change.

  • March 18, 2010, 5:40 p.m. CST

    cylon_conspiracy

    by CarmillaVonDoom

    "Right wants government as limited as possible, not involved in your life, and with its hands off your money." That quote is RIDICULOUS and the propagation of a myth. The right is the party that wants to control sexual rights, abortion rights, and drugs...all things that government has no place interfering. You are right about the MONEY though....

  • March 18, 2010, 5:42 p.m. CST

    Battle_Royale_with_cheese

    by cylon_conspiracy

    <p>No I didn't because I do not concern myself with those social issues, those are small beans when it comes to the things that actually matter. When the country is going off a cliff, abortion and gay marriage are not where your focus needs to be.</p> <p>Right now the GOP is going through a transformation. All the religious people are on the way out. And even if they DO believe in that social stuff, it still doesn't matter.... as long as the states are the ones that make those decisions. Most of those things are states rights issues.

  • March 18, 2010, 5:42 p.m. CST

    CarmillaVonDoom

    by cylon_conspiracy

    See my posts to Battle_Royale_with_cheese

  • March 18, 2010, 5:44 p.m. CST

    BLEST

    by Hercules

    The cool thing about AICN is it has a huge international following, and I've absolutely spoken to people in Canada, the U.K., France and Italy about their systems, as well as Americans who have used these systems while traveling. All describe the U.S. system as nightmarish compared to those others. <p> I would love to contact your friends who lived in London and learn of their beefs with the system. <p> And again, members of the conservative party that FOUGHT implemenatation of the UK system back in the '40s now hail that system as a godsend.

  • March 18, 2010, 5:46 p.m. CST

    Battle_Royale_with_cheese

    by cylon_conspiracy

    <p>You are a Tea Party man who doesn't know it. If you believe that stuff then you are on our side, although stuff like the Daily Show and Herc would make fun of you for taking a stand for small government and individual rights.</p> <p>I am a libertarian at heart. And that is Right Wing. I am against government interference into all the social issues the liberals always get their panties in a wad over... but unlike them, I don't think that government should be in charge of everything else EXCEPT abortion, or gay marriage, or drug legalization. I mean, why stop there? Freedom is only good in those specific instances?

  • March 18, 2010, 5:48 p.m. CST

    The right would take away your social security

    by Pizza The Hut

    ...if given the chance, but they know too many would be up in arms if they did. That is a "social" program after all, is it not? Yes, there will absolutely come a day when you will need it too. Hell, I suppose schools are "social" too. Maybe we should get rid of them and just home school everyone. Sound good?... lol... The left on the other hand wants to make sure you go broke by too many taxes. Whether it be at the federal, state, or local levels, makes no difference. Raise one tax or another until you cry "uncle"... Meanwhile, both sides are bought and paid for by lobbyists, none of which have your best interests at heart. The right tends to believe they are the party of "can do no wrong" because they believe God is on their side. I can bet you that God would have something to say about that, and would throw a good number of politicians from both parties straight to hell.

  • March 18, 2010, 5:48 p.m. CST

    Proof?

    by American Mythos

    Remove all spaces of course. Man with Parkinson's heckled: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_PX5L_v_7I <br> <br> TeaParty.org founder holding "Niggar" sign: http://washingtonindependent.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/teapartypic.jpg <br> <br> http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/racism.jpg <br> <br> http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/pictures/20090916TeaParty03.jpg <br> <br> http://killinmesoftly.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/racist_tea_party.jpg <br> <br> http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/images/obama-witchdoctor-muck.jpg <br> <br> http://www.newyorkslime.com/tea-party-racist-signs-04-back-to-kenya.jpg <br> <br> Cute kid holding an Obama-is-a-monkey sign: http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/teapartysign1sm.jpg <br> <br> Don't pretend it doesn't happen Cylon -- not when there's a thing called Google. These are just a few of thousands of pieces of evidence out there. That, and I've met a few tea partiers (I am in Alaska after all). The ones I know and work with are at least somewhat brave -- they call Obama "your nigger president" and laugh about it.

  • March 18, 2010, 5:48 p.m. CST

    Not to argue about UK healthcare quality at all

    by chromedome

    but a separate issue came up about a year and half ago when I was on a business trip there: the top news item every day was a sudden need to ration healthcare, as the system was out of money (in no small part due to the financial crisis emerging at the same time). <p>There was a LOT of coverage of folks who were being denied treatment simply due to the funding issue. <p>Is that still occurring in the UK, or was it a fairly temporary measure?

  • March 18, 2010, 5:49 p.m. CST

    I'd like to agree with you about the GOP, Cylon

    by schadenfreudian

    but I'd have to say tell that to my gay friends who can't get married because it apparently makes Baby Jesus cry. <BR> When I talk to my parents in Texas, it's painfully clear that what the focus SHOULD be and what the focus ARE are two different things. I will say I think it's encouraging that Brown guy is apparently pro-choice, but I'm gonna wait and see if he becomes the example of the GOP rather than the exception.

  • March 18, 2010, 5:49 p.m. CST

    Get 'em Cylon

    by BLEST

    It's "lol" material of the highest order.<p>I loved the Obama spin of, "the people of Massachussettes are feeling the same anger that swept me to office, the same anger at the last 8 years...."<p>So, wait Mr. President.....you're saying, with a straight face, that the people were so mad at Bush that they elected a Republican to Ted Kennedy's seat...<p>I guess we'll see in November that they're REALLY mad at Bush by electing Republicans to take back the Senate, House, and a majority of the Govenors mansions...<p>And it is telling that the Canadian PM came here for his healthcare....<p>But wait!!!! Palin is teh stuPidZ1111

  • March 18, 2010, 5:53 p.m. CST

    cylon_conspiracy

    by Hercules

    Stephen Harper is the current Canadian prime minister. Danny Williams (who seems very complimentary of the Canadian system despite having that particular procedure in Miami) has never served as prime minister.

  • March 18, 2010, 5:53 p.m. CST

    As far as being a Tea Party man

    by schadenfreudian

    thanks but no thanks. Based on what I've seen, that group tends to lean towards assholishness. I mean, calling Obmama a communist is just fucking ignorant, petrified and reactionary. <br> (although you seem reasonable enough).

  • March 18, 2010, 5:53 p.m. CST

    American Mythos

    by cylon_conspiracy

    <p>There are nuts in every movement. I'm sure there are isolated instances of weirdos who just want some exposure, good job finding them. The left of course has probably more nuts and freaks so that's jut human nature.</p> <p>But let's get down to the point of your message, which is that at the heart of the movement, Tea Party people are racist, and cruel.</p> <p>Let me be sure here: are you accusing me, specifically, of being a racist?</p>

  • March 18, 2010, 5:54 p.m. CST

    Hercules

    by cylon_conspiracy

    No comment on how you fell for that media hoax and didn't update your hit piece on Palin at the gift exchange, showing that you are fine with spreading lies, as long as those lies hurt the right people?

  • March 18, 2010, 5:55 p.m. CST

    My concerns about Healthcare Reform in the US

    by chromedome

    center on the fact that the least qualified, least competent people on the face of the earth (Congress) are the tools drafting these changes. It is a complex system, and changes over here can have completely unexpected consequences over there.<p>People with overriding Liberal or Conservative agendas should not be within a hundred miles of this task. I think reform is needed, but I cannot imagine that these folks (on both sides of the aisles) are capable of doing it correctly, but I am quite certain they can make it worse in a heartbeat.

  • March 18, 2010, 5:57 p.m. CST

    Herc - why bother? They don't even know world leaders.

    by American Mythos

  • March 18, 2010, 5:58 p.m. CST

    cylon_conspiracy

    by Hercules

    E! has not retracted its story as far as I can tell

  • March 18, 2010, 5:59 p.m. CST

    Candada is about as important to me as my

    by cylon_conspiracy

    <p>Extra Asshole. Not even a country as far as I'm concerned, not sure it really falls under "World Leader" Status. <p> <p>Are you calling me a racist or not?</p>

  • March 18, 2010, 6 p.m. CST

    chromedome

    by Pizza The Hut

    Exactly. Reform is needed. One the one hand, doing nothing is a recipe for disaster, on the other, I don't trust any of these idiots to get very much right. Time will tell how it plays out.

  • March 18, 2010, 6 p.m. CST

    Cylon - you proved my point

    by American Mythos

    I knew you would say "There are nuts in every movement." It's what most tea partiers say when confronted about the overwhelming current of racism in that movement. If you were smart you'd start a movement from scratch, one not tainted by racial motives.

  • March 18, 2010, 6:02 p.m. CST

    Hercules

    by cylon_conspiracy

    <p>No shit, after E! did the hit piece, specifically designed to harm someone they hate, and the story turns out to be false, they didn't retract it? You're KIDDING ME! It's almost like you not retracting it after it's been shown the story is false, and is completely discredited due to the statement of the store owner.</p> <p>I guess I was right, you will spread lies as long as they harm the right people, and when you get confronted, hide behind the journalistic integrity of E!</p>

  • March 18, 2010, 6:03 p.m. CST

    American Mythos

    by Hercules

    I bother because I know once we reform health care in this country, even those momentarily brainwashed into opposing it will eventually realize how much good it does. <p> And, as someone just reminded me, the American insurance companies seem to ration health care with far more inequity than "socialized" foreign governments.

  • March 18, 2010, 6:04 p.m. CST

    American Mythos

    by cylon_conspiracy

    So you are afraid to actually call me a racist, but want to associate me with people I've never met in my life, simply because I believe in small government.</p> <p>You're a coward.</p>

  • March 18, 2010, 6:06 p.m. CST

    To settle this "socialized medicine in America" debate

    by American Mythos

    I AM a beneficiary of socialized medicine. I'm 1/4 Aleut, so I qualify for and participate in Alaska's free Native health care program. I want to see my doctor? I see him. I need medication (which I do for tachycardia), he prescribes it to me. I was born with heart problems and would have sent my dear ol' momma to the poor house if not for free Native health care. To me, health care is an afterthought instead of a bank breaker. If it were up to me, this whole country would have single-payer.

  • March 18, 2010, 6:09 p.m. CST

    chromedome

    by Hercules

    I can only point out that liberals and conservatives engineered these health care reforms in other lands. I'm not sure who besides lawmakers can institute this kind of thing.

  • March 18, 2010, 6:10 p.m. CST

    Cylon, I never called you a racist

    by American Mythos

    But you seem awfully sore about never being accused of being one. Care to talk about it?

  • March 18, 2010, 6:12 p.m. CST

    Herc's right about the UK system

    by newc0253

    even the most hardcore, right-wing archconservative British politician would never dream of attacking universal healthcare. it's just too damn popular.<p> sure, people in the UK may complain about aspects of the NHS, but the one thing they don't complain about is that it covers everyone.<p>

  • March 18, 2010, 6:16 p.m. CST

    American Mythos

    by cylon_conspiracy

    <p>I am awfully sore that the term "racist" is so lightly thrown around these days. It's a serious accusation. Serious enough that you're afraid to actually call ME one... yet you have no problem branding an entire movement of people as not only racist but "cruel" to add injury to insult. So here comes someone who believes in many of the things going on in the Tea Party movement, and I read your comment, and I guess you're talking about me too, right? If they are racist, then I must be racist too, right? That's the idea. So I confront you with it, and you backtrack.</p> <p>You guys on the left throw around racism like it's going out of style because it's a shock-tactic. You can't accept we have legitimate ideas of our own, CLEARLY they can only come from evil, racist motives.</p> <p>Remember when "bitch" used to actually be a word you hesitated to say? Then all of the sudden guys were calling other guy "bitch" and now that word is almost harmless? Someday "racist" will have the same effect, people will not flinch when they hear it, and it will be because people like you.</p> <p>If you actually think racism is a bad thing, I'd hesitate wearing out how serious of an issue it is just so you can make cheap shots.</p>

  • March 18, 2010, 6:17 p.m. CST

    Lol Listening to Cylon and Brest total ignorance

    by DougMcKenzie

    of the Canadians government and healthcare system is amongst the funniest things I have read in a while! First off you dumb shits, Danny Williams is the premier of Newfoundland not the Prime Minister of Canada ( that'sStephen Harper BTW)! That would be like somebody saying Schwarznegger is the president of the USA! LOL! Second of all yes you will find a whole bunch of people in Canada opposed to our health care system, they are called "Rich People". They cannot in any way shape or form jump the queue for appointments or procedures. One thing the American Neo-cons don't understand about "socialized" health care is that it is absolute democracy and the truest respect of "All men created equal". Whether you are a single mother or the CEO of a billion dollar company, you get evaluated on the serious of your situation and scheduled accordingly. I could juse see cons like Brest getting hot under the collar as they walk into the hospital with a skinned knee at the same time as a homeless person, who has a life-threatening condition, gets to see a doctor first. I could just see the cons blowing up at the triage nurse screaming, "You mean that BUM gets in before me!"

  • March 18, 2010, 6:17 p.m. CST

    by ebonic_plague

  • March 18, 2010, 6:19 p.m. CST

    She's dumb but most girls with big tits are.

    by Onin Solstice

    Hilary's a diabolical genius but not much in the bra department. It's an age old rule of thumb, true in the political world and every other world.

  • March 18, 2010, 6:20 p.m. CST

    I'm about to go visit my Dad

    by buffywrestling

    who is in palative care. We placed him there yesterday after a five year battle with inoperable liver cancer. When he was diagnosed they gave him three years to live. He went for chemo every two weeks, had a blood transfusion every month. He went for B12 shots & he also has diabetes that he needs injected insulin to control. He got monthly CT scans to check on his process. This has been his routine for five years. His nurses & doctors have been helpful and considerate of him. For such a serious illness, there have been no "wait times"; his appointment schedule, if it needed adjusting, was done within two days but more often was done that day. <p> This has cost my mother & father, nothing. <p> Go Canada Go.

  • March 18, 2010, 6:20 p.m. CST

    "dumb shits"

    by cylon_conspiracy

    Just so you know doug, when I read pointless personal attacks, I stop reading. I got one sentence into your post.

  • March 18, 2010, 6:21 p.m. CST

    Doug McKenzie, well said

    by BumLove

  • March 18, 2010, 6:24 p.m. CST

    We're still in Bush's economy

    by SithMenace

    Obama's doing everything he can to dig out of the shithole that Republican bastard put us in.

  • March 18, 2010, 6:27 p.m. CST

    Yea, Herc--I suppose we are stuck with Congress doing this

    by chromedome

    but the desperate rush to shove it thru "while they still have the votes" just suggests to me that it will not be a quality product at all. Both sides are too busy pushing and shoving to actually pay attention to the quality of the thing itself.<p>The basis of the legal system is not Truth, but Debate: being able to Argue your opponents into submission independent of facts and reason, but on your skills of argument, dispute, sound-bite generation, etc. So Advocates, by definition, have already taken a position, and their effort is directed at disputing or dismissing anything that does not agree with their position (even if it is true). People talk about Debate as if it is Healthy, positive thing--but it is just formalized arguing, instead of real, useful, informative Discussion. <p>Engaging in open, honest Discussion can help people arrive at Positions. People with pre-established positions have no interest in learning anything, just interest in squashing ideas that conflict with their own.<p>Not unlike an AICN TB, actually, eh?<p>Never trust an Advocate for accurate, complete information--remember the Philip Morris Spokespersons and Lawyers: Truth and Facts had no place in their dojo.

  • March 18, 2010, 6:27 p.m. CST

    DougMcKenzie

    by American Mythos

    Here in Alaska, socialized medicine for Natives is apparently so bad, I always see affluent white people clamouring to claim Native heritage so they can get it. I say let them have it. Hell, let the whole damn country have it. The poor most of all.

  • March 18, 2010, 6:28 p.m. CST

    what the fuck is a Sarah Pailn Show anyway?

    by iaskwhyiask

    I like reading stories like this. They make me laugh. You are a country of funny people. The fact that you give people like this credit and time is comical. On with the show, daddy needs a laugh!

  • March 18, 2010, 6:28 p.m. CST

    buffywrestling

    by SithMenace

    Sorry to hear that. In America that would have cost hundreds of thousands of dollars to the patient alone.

  • March 18, 2010, 6:29 p.m. CST

    The GOP has zero credibility left.

    by ebonic_plague

    I don't know why anyone takes their predictions seriously anymore. Remember when estimates for the Iraq war were less than $1 billion, total? When they said there were DEFINITELY WMD's in Iraq? That the market would regulate itself? All proven bullshit. The fact that Sarah Palin is actually taken more seriously by the media than, say, Louis Farrakhan, is proof that almost half of the population of this country are more interested in believing pillow talk and fairy tales than dealing with reality.

  • March 18, 2010, 6:29 p.m. CST

    Like Raising Taxes

    by cylon_conspiracy

    And ignoring the economy. He's been focused on socializing medicine since he's been in office. His stimulus plans only "Saved" government jobs. Unemployment is at 9.6 percent, after Scott Brown won, Obama said "laser like focus" on the economy...which lasted about a week, then right back to health care. He's not doing anything for the economy because he doesn't care. He only cares about health care, and having the state get bigger and bigger. Poor people can just get a government job, or a handout.</p> <p>BTW, you guys know that if health care passes, the tax increases start immediately, but you won't actually get coverage for about 4 years. But at least you'll have the chance to pay for it for a few years in advance (it's not actually free--tax money comes from your pocket, to the government, it's free though--they just take it from you.)</p>

  • March 18, 2010, 6:34 p.m. CST

    Cylon, health care is 1/6th of the economy

    by American Mythos

    So how is health care reform not part of economic reform? Hm?

  • March 18, 2010, 6:35 p.m. CST

    what the fuck is a Sarah Pailn Show anyway?

    by iaskwhyiask

    I like reading stories like this. They make me laugh. You are a country of funny people. The fact that you give people like this credit and time is comical. On with the show, daddy needs a laugh!

  • March 18, 2010, 6:35 p.m. CST

    Plus Sarah Palin's an incompetent bitch

    by SithMenace

    The only reason for her fame was McCain's political motivation for hving a woman on the ticket. Talk about the right place at the right time, and now she'll be a millionaire if she isn't already.

  • March 18, 2010, 6:36 p.m. CST

    Wait...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    ...the Tea Party is taking over the GOP? Really? Cause it looks like the GOP is going to use the Tea Party just like it used evangelical conservatives. You see, it's all about politicians stirring up a base in order to win their votes and then stabbing them in the back when it's time to appease the MIC and special interest groups who keep them in "power". Conservatives play the money/tax card as they quietly usher in a totalitarian government whose agenda is assisted by a monopolized MSM...<P>Whoops! I'm sorry...wrong meeting.

  • March 18, 2010, 6:36 p.m. CST

    American Mythos

    by cylon_conspiracy

    <p>It's sure going to affect the economy, but hurting it even more. That's not Reform, that's "damage".</p> <p>In any case, I'm not going to engage with you anymore. First my ideas are based in racism, and now you're actually asking me questions about my ideas, as separate from racism. I prefer intellectual consistency in my discussions. Take care.</p>

  • March 18, 2010, 6:39 p.m. CST

    Hey, MNG

    by chromedome

    long time no TB--see you in the next Caprica TB maybe...

  • March 18, 2010, 6:40 p.m. CST

    Mr. Nice Gaius

    by cylon_conspiracy

    <p>The evangelicals have their place at the table but they are not the base of the GOP, I don't care how many left-wing advocates try to make that case. Right now, if you are not a real, small government conservative, and currently hold office (RINO), you are in big trouble from the Tea Party. They are specifically endorsing GOP candidates who support the Tea Party over GOP candidates who don't.</p> <p>Power is in the people, the tea party. Not the people who have been in Washington for their entire careers.</p>

  • March 18, 2010, 6:40 p.m. CST

    iaskwhyiask

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    It is to the eternal embarrassment of the USA that we grant fame and fortune to those who do...nothing.

  • March 18, 2010, 6:43 p.m. CST

    MNG

    by schadenfreudian

    apparently you're part of the People Who Hate People party. <BR> I haven't seen you at any of the meetings.

  • March 18, 2010, 6:45 p.m. CST

    chromedome!

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Indeed, long time no see. I hope all is well. CAPRICA has begun to steadily increase my interest but I'm still unsure (I do want to see how the season finale plays out). Unfortunately, I don't get to see the episodes until a few days later and by that time, most of the interesting TB stuff has fallen off the radar. I'll keep an eye open for you though.<P>Stand by FTL!

  • March 18, 2010, 6:45 p.m. CST

    Well said MNG

    by SithMenace

  • March 18, 2010, 6:48 p.m. CST

    cylon_conspiracy

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Oh dear, you are naive. I guess we'll just have to wait and see how those conservative elections turn out then, won't we.

  • March 18, 2010, 6:50 p.m. CST

    cylon_conspiracy: Quick Question

    by Billy Goat

    "we have legitimate ideas of our own" <br>Was "Obama wants to create death panels" a "legitimate idea"?

  • March 18, 2010, 6:50 p.m. CST

    Battle_Royale_with_cheese

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Are you going to be at those meetings? Then I ain't fucking coming!<P>:)

  • March 18, 2010, 6:51 p.m. CST

    Er, aren't both those owned by...

    by jdb1972

    ... the GE/Universal/NBC umbrella company? Anyone else have a hard time seeing the same company that owns MSNBC not do their best to sabotage the series?

  • March 18, 2010, 6:53 p.m. CST

    Haha, Cylon, you're a hoot

    by American Mythos

    You can't debate someone then all the sudden decide they've insulted you when they ask you a legitimate question. That makes me and Doug McKenzie you've done that too when you've been confronted with facts. Per this bill, however (back on subject with the intelligent members of this TB), the mandate doesn't kick in till 2014, same with the pre-existing conditions strike. Families making up to $88,000 will receive government help to purchase health care and large employers have to offer good quality health care to their workers. So, it sounds better the more I look at it. Plus, anything Republicans decry as "a government take over of health care" must be at least halfway decent.

  • March 18, 2010, 6:54 p.m. CST

    Billy Goat

    by cylon_conspiracy

    Original ideas arise from original questions. Death Panels were real.

  • March 18, 2010, 6:55 p.m. CST

    Mr. Nice Gaius

    by cylon_conspiracy

    So, no comment on the content just a condescending "oh dear". You don't actually know much about this topic do you?

  • March 18, 2010, 6:56 p.m. CST

    26 lies about the health care bill

    by Billy Goat

    Yeah, it's old info, but apparently the lies are still affecting people's thinking. <p>http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/twenty-six-lies-about-hr-3200/

  • March 18, 2010, 6:58 p.m. CST

    Tea Parties and other "movements" like the

    by chromedome

    so-called, self-titled "Moral Majority" years ago scare the crap out of politicians who, first and foremost, want to preserve their jobs/power/control. These sorts of movements take away media coverage from the politicians and represent potential defiance.<p>The politicians very strategically attempt to align themselves with those groups perceived to have the most influence or attention, say what they need to say to obtain their support by election time, and then hope the groups sputter and dissolve as soon as possible.<p>No sincerity on the part of the politicians is present, except sincerely wishing to be re-elected.<p>So presuming that Tea Parties are assuming control, getting power, etc. is naive for certain: those in power will do anything to keep it, even if it means catering to the noisy groups and letting them Think they are gaining control and influence. Politicians know better than anyone how to ride these waves, then tread water and be ready to ride the next one that comes along.

  • March 18, 2010, 6:58 p.m. CST

    Mr. Nice Gaius

    by iaskwhyiask

    I know. But oh what i would give for Ms Palin to become your first female president. My first born and my left nut are ready for the taking. Satan, you reading these?

  • March 18, 2010, 6:59 p.m. CST

    American Mythos

    by cylon_conspiracy

    My policy is personal attacks, and especially racism, means I stop engaging with the person. It shows an intellectual immaturity that I don't have time for. There are adults I could be discussing things with. I gave you many chances to second-guess your charges of racism, but you didn't take them. You just changed the subject. Being called a racist may not be a big deal to you, but to me, it is. I do not believe someone who uses words like that deserves much consideration. You can read whatever you want into it, the bottom line is I'm not talking to you or doug specifically because you guys have very low standards of discourse, and mine are higher.

  • March 18, 2010, 6:59 p.m. CST

    Royale With Cheese...

    by chromedome

    now I want a cheeseburger! Off to McD's I shall go....

  • March 18, 2010, 7 p.m. CST

    Someone who believed in death panels...

    by American Mythos

    is accusing someone else of not knowing much about this topic. This could get interesting. I'ma grab my popcorn, don't talk till I get back.

  • March 18, 2010, 7:02 p.m. CST

    MNG- Too Bad...

    by schadenfreudian

    We almost had a meeting going there. Fuck you.

  • March 18, 2010, 7:02 p.m. CST

    Cylon_conspiracy: No, they were not.

    by Billy Goat

    From Factcheck.org:<p> [Death panels] are a twisted interpretation of a provision in the bill that says Medicare will cover voluntary counseling sessions between seniors and their doctors to discuss end-of-life care. Medicare doesn’t pay for such sessions now; it would under the bill. End-of-life care discussions include talking about a living will, hospice care, designating a health care proxy and making decisions on what care you want to receive at the end of your life. Doctors do the consulting, not the "government" or a "bureaucracy." The e-mail author’s assertion that the bill calls for "an ORDER from the GOVERNMENT" for end-of-life plans rests on language about a patient drawing up such an order stipulating their wishes, and having that order signed by a physician. There’s nothing about "an order from the government." The bill defines an order for life-sustaining treatment as a document that "is signed and dated by a physician …[and] effectively communicates the individual’s preferences regarding life sustaining treatment." See our article "False Euthanasia Claims" for more on such assertions. <p>http://factcheck.org/2009/07/false-euthanasia-claims/

  • March 18, 2010, 7:03 p.m. CST

    Cylon, you're still "engaging" with me

    by American Mythos

    What does that say about your intelligence? And can I perhaps get you to provide me with a quote where I called you a racist? I believe I called the Tea Party overrun with racists, and even suggested (quite kindly) that you should start a new movement, one free of racial motives. I thought it was pretty good advice.

  • March 18, 2010, 7:05 p.m. CST

    cylon_conspiracy

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    No, I think I know a little...and I think you have totally misrepresented the Christian Right/evangelical base in your previous post. But I also think the Tea Party (as a viable movement) has been somewhat oversold. Much like the election of Mr. Brown, who already sold the Tea Partiers down the river.<P>Look I'm not downplaying their concerns because, quite frankly, some of them (when it comes to WHERE our money goes) are my own. But the other stuff those people latch onto (the Birthers, the Truthers, and yes...the racists) I have no patience for.<P>It's too bad these people weren't more vocal during the Bush Administration. Seriously. If they're so hard-up on the Constitution, Moderates and Liberals alike could have used their voice when exposing the (ongoing) lies of Bush & Co.<P>But I guess it's party over country as always, eh?

  • March 18, 2010, 7:06 p.m. CST

    chromedome

    by cylon_conspiracy

    There is a lot of truth in what you say but your analysis is naieve as well. Your whole argument is based on the idea that no politician has any ideals, and that 100% of them are corrupt and don't actually believe in the things that they ran on. The percentage of phonies is significant, I'm sure, but it is not 100%. You're also naieve in assuming that your analysis is over the heads of the Tea Partiers, and that we haven't considered this ourselves. Of COURSE politicians will pander to the voters, that is the most obvious thing in the world, not really worth mentioning but it may be new to a few of the younger readers. The people in the Tea Party movement are spending a lot of time coming up with platforms, litmus tests, and basically threats against candidates that may run one way, and govern another. Despite what MSNBC tells you, we aren't all hicks who can barely read. Being politically astute is not as rare as you'd think.

  • March 18, 2010, 7:07 p.m. CST

    Herc, give me a fucking break with your Palin bias already!

    by Big Dumb Ape

    Seriously, Herc, do the world a favor and take a remedial writing course to learn how to write a sentence that DOESN'T work in your personal bias, so you could actually report things in a fair way. You know, the way an online news columnist should.<p>Up above, you wrote (quote): "The paper suggests the show would cost the channels about a million dollars per episode, a big step up from $125,000 per year Palin was earning as Alaska governor."<p>The problem being that you're clearly inferring that Palin HERSELF would be pocketing a million bucks -- thus qualifying your statement it's "a big step up from the $125,000 per year Palin was earning as governor." HELLO! EARTH PAGING HERC! The two figues -- $1 million and $125K -- are NOT related in any way. The $1 million is the proposed PRODUCTION cost on the show -- thus covering Palin, the director, the writers, the camera crew, the costs for traveling around Alaska for remote location shoots...etc.<p>For fuck's sake, the show ISN'T even about Palin. If you took the time to properly report the Variety piece, you'd have noted that it SPECIFICALLY says (quote): "As first reported by Entertainment Weekly, the Palin project will center on interesting characters, traditions and attractions in the 49th state -- with the ex-VP candidate as a guide. Burnett and Palin pitched the show to all four major networks -- but given the travelogue nature of the series, it ultimately made more sense for a cable network, insiders said." Get it? This is not a Mark Burnett reality show about her, she's merely going to be the pseudo-NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC host for an Alaskan traveloque and vignette show.<p>Seriously, Dude, I get that you're a die-hard Joss fan. I also get that you're politically left-leaning. But speaking as professional writer myself, learn how to compose sentences that stay on topic and that don't mix and match facts, figures, and whatever else -- which then don't even relate to one another -- in order to work in a slanted viewpoint. You should be striving to be a better writer than that by now.

  • March 18, 2010, 7:08 p.m. CST

    iaskwhyiask

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Hold your tongue, sir!

  • March 18, 2010, 7:09 p.m. CST

    Battle_Royale_with_cheese

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Nice! Well played.

  • March 18, 2010, 7:09 p.m. CST

    Ah, in fact, here's a direct quote

    by American Mythos

    "I knew you would say "There are nuts in every movement." It's what most tea partiers say when confronted about the overwhelming current of racism in that movement. If you were smart you'd start a movement from scratch, one not tainted by racial motives." -- I think in that statement it was implied that, while you aren't racist, the tea party movement was hijacked. I can state things in the simplest of terms, but I can't help you with your reading comprehension.

  • March 18, 2010, 7:09 p.m. CST

    American Mythos

    by cylon_conspiracy

    You're right, I am still engaging with you. I actually don't like writing people off for good so it takes me a while to just finally decide "This person is a waste of time." But I have come to that conclusion with you, and your little shot against my intelligence shows me it's the right decision. Have fun watching genre movies.

  • March 18, 2010, 7:12 p.m. CST

    Billy Goat

    by cylon_conspiracy

    End of life counseling basically means that when someone is very old, their health care costs are very high. With socialized medicine, we will experience rationing, and ways to cut costs. End of life counseling will be used as a way to gently convince seniors that they have lived a long life, and that they should finally say goodbye to their loved ones, and failing that, probably will be refused care or put on long waiting lists. "Death Panels" in effect. That term was used for it's headline grabbing effect, and was effective.

  • March 18, 2010, 7:13 p.m. CST

    Assclowns, virtually all of you...

    by DoctorWho?

    Outraged over a possible Palin reality show, beating the dead horse of WMD's and Iraq, getting your news from Rolling Stone and DailyKos...Un-fucking-believable assclowns!<p> You prove you know shit about anything other than the thinnest of of details about what's going on with this extraordinary vote. Astonishing. <p> Yeah health care is fucked up...duh. So let's transform this ultra-complex monstrosity by completely handing it over to the biggest cluster-fuck bureaucracy known to man and everything will be "free" and no one will have to pay for anything. EVER. And the money will just materialize from no where and things will now be efficient because everyone knows the ONLY problem here is mean greedy companies. Wow. Just. Fucking.Wow.<p> This is the equivelent of my kitchen sink being broken so to in order to rectify that I'm going to gut my whole kitchen, rip out the cabinets, countertops, tile floor and start over. Hey, I might as well add a new garage to my house as well.

  • March 18, 2010, 7:14 p.m. CST

    Cylon, are you sure you aren't a liberal?

    by American Mythos

    Because you sound like a whiny college lesbian who needs to change her tampon.

  • March 18, 2010, 7:22 p.m. CST

    My "argument" is not based on YOUR stated assumptions

    by chromedome

    I never said or assumed that 100% of politicians are corrupt. Take as a whole, the simple process of becoming and remaining a politician requires pandering to obtain and remain in office.<p>The most idealistic politician may still feel so compelled to remain in office to Serve and Do Good, that the low-level compromises here and there, the pandering is a Necessary Evil, and Just Part of the Job.<p>I didn't say and don't assume that all TPers are hicks. Those are your words, were never mine.<p>I am confident that there are people of good conscience on all sides. The clear and valuable Discussions that could be engaged by those people is drowned out and prevented by the Noise made by the knee-jerkers on all sides. The media loves the entertainment and drama of the knee-jerkers--calm, reasonable, productive discussions are, by and large, not suited for sound-bite television news.<p>But I can see that you prefer Debate instead of Discussion, putting disputable words in other's mouths, then disputing those words they never spoke, and considering yourself the winner. Whatever floats your boat, I guess, but the result is that you don't present yourself as one of the persons of good conscience, just as a knee-jerker who would rather just have an argument. [insert Monty Python "Argument" Video here]

  • March 18, 2010, 7:23 p.m. CST

    RE: "Despite what MSNBC tells you..."

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Yet another naive assumption. Also, I don't see where chromedome referenced MSNBC. FYI - Some of the best analysis and criticism of the Tea Party, its members, and their alleged beliefs has actually come from other conservatives. So, don't assume that dissenting opinion comes from some token left-leaning news agency.

  • March 18, 2010, 7:25 p.m. CST

    Mr. Nice Gaius

    by cylon_conspiracy

    <p>Scott Brown hasn't sold anyone down any river. He is actually a good example of the Tea Party movement. He is from a liberal state, it is not a shock that he voted for liberal bill. However, he ran against health care, which is the reason he was elected in the first place. Health Care first, Tea Party second. He has been consistent on that issue, and that's why he's in Washington. </p>. <p>The media tried to make us THINK that the tea partiers were betrayed, or sold down the river. Well, I personally don't care, and I know many others who aren't that shocked that someone from Mass. would vote for a jobs bill. So what. He was probably doing what his constituency wanted.</p> <p>Screw the christian right base. As I said they have a place at the table but this is not 1980. There are people of my age group and younger who are very socially liberal but politically conservative, and we are on board with the Tea Party. The Independents (the ones who are going to really decide elections) are on the side of the GOP right now. And the GOP base is going to vote for the GOP anyway. Palin does believe in social conservative values but ALSO believes in state's rights, which is how it should be ANYWAY. I really don't care if you're against gay marriage. That doesn't bear on how the individual states vote for those types of issues.</p> <p>Finally, the Birthers, the Truthers.... The Birthers believe Obama was born in another country. If that is true, he does not qualify to be POTUS. It's a legitimate issue, and he will not supply his birth certificate. I do not know why it is associated with racism, other than everything the right does is associated with racism. Just because the president is black does not mean he is beyond criticism. Having said all that, these are fringe groups anyway. Most people I know don't care about the Birther issue because he's already president, you can't do much about that now. The media of course would have you believe that we are ALL like that. Not true.</p> <p>Sometimes I wish George W had been black, because for eight years none of the liberals would have been allowed to criticize him. Fortunately for them he was white, which meant his actions and his decisions in office where actually things one could discuss openly.</p>

  • March 18, 2010, 7:25 p.m. CST

    Now, now DoctorWho?.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Temper, temper.

  • March 18, 2010, 7:29 p.m. CST

    There is no MSNBC or FOXNEWS in MY dojo

    by chromedome

  • March 18, 2010, 7:31 p.m. CST

    I like Chris Matthews

    by cylon_conspiracy

    I've been watching Hardball for years. He's wrong about everything but I like watching him be wrong.

  • March 18, 2010, 7:34 p.m. CST

    Mr. Nice Gaius

    by cylon_conspiracy

    <p>"Some of the best analysis and criticism of the Tea Party, its members, and their alleged beliefs has actually come from other conservatives."</p> <p>Links, please. Let's see the small-government conservatives criticize their constituency.</p> <p>No RINOs though. Those guys are going to get thrown out of office along with the dems.</p> <p>Just drop the naive shit. If you want to discuss the topic, discuss the topic. I'm not naieve enough to fall for the "conservatives criticize the tea party" movement stuff.

  • March 18, 2010, 7:39 p.m. CST

    "Scott Brown hasn't sold anyone down any river."

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Really? So, when he said in an interview that the Tea Party had little to nothing to do with his election (and they got all pissed off)...he didn't sell them down the river? Because I thought everyone was claiming that to be a victory for the Tea Party. And as you said, he immediately sided with Obama and the Democrats on the Jobs Bill. Apparently, that didn't go over too well with them either. So, do they NOT make up the bulk of his constituency?<P>Personally, I think he won that election simply because he was more likeable than his rather aloof opponent. That being said, I won't be a bit surprised if he turns out to be a one-termer.

  • March 18, 2010, 7:41 p.m. CST

    2012 can't come soon enough...

    by aDINGOateCLAIRESbaby

    And I'm not talking about elections. If this is the direction in which we're heading, humanity deserves to be wiped out. Seriously- WHAT THE FUCK.

  • March 18, 2010, 7:44 p.m. CST

    Cylon_conspiracy: Obama won't supply brith certificate?

    by Billy Goat

    He did. Here it is: <p>http://msgboard.snopes.com/politics/graphics/birth.jpg<p> "End of life counseling will be used as a way to gently convince seniors that they have lived a long life, and that they should finally say goodbye to their loved ones, and failing that, probably will be refused care or put on long waiting lists." Does the health care bill say that? Sounds more like speculation to me. <p>Have you actually read the health care bill? <p> http://candicemiller.house.gov/pdf/hr3200.pdf <p>There it is. Please point out the page describing the "death panels".<p> While we're at it, you could also try to find the page which says that illegal aliens get free health care.<p> Here's a hint: you won't find those things. Because they're not in there.<p> The Tea Party movement is entirely based on lies. Blatantly obvious and demonstrable lies. I don't know how you manage to deceive so many people, much less why, when simple Google searches can debunk you so quickly and completely.<p>

  • March 18, 2010, 7:46 p.m. CST

    I wish there was a VIABLE third party for us normal people

    by Mel_Gibsons_Nazi_Dad

    A party that doesn't abuse people's beliefs to get what they want. One that doesn't answer to lobbyists or insurance companies or churches or anyone but the people.<p> Anyone think this will ever be possible? To get a fair representation for us, the serfs of this terrible system?

  • March 18, 2010, 7:46 p.m. CST

    chromedome

    by cylon_conspiracy

    <p>"Take as a whole, the simple process of becoming and remaining a politician requires pandering to obtain and remain in office."</p> <p>No shit, man. Is this "point out the obvious day"? I don't disagree with you at all. I understand that's how it works. Yet your argument is that the Tea Party is so backwards that it doesn't see this. You see it. I see it. Yet all these other folks are in the dark?</p> <p>If you followed the movement, like I mentioned earlier, there are tons of strategies people are coming up with to prevent this very thing from happening---because it's as obvious as a sore thumb. You need more faith in your common man. Not all the people are gullible, all of the time.</p> <p>As far as knee-jerkers--depends on your definition. If you call people who have core values who aren't afraid to speak up and make their voices heard as "knee-jerkers", we have different ideas of what that word means. If you're saying the people in the Tea Party movement are knee-jerkers, I disagree with that completely. What you're seeing is passion and people defending their personal ideals.</p> <p>I do not believe in this touchy-feely, let's work it out in Washington crap. THAT is pandering. Neither side wants the other guy to win. In a utopia that would work, but this is the real world.</p> <p>That's why our country works (or has worked up till now) you get one side vigorously balancing the other side. If people elect you to represent them, you are not serving their interests by pretending to be open-minded. Be civil, be practical, but don't sell out your principles just so you look like a "nice person".</p>

  • March 18, 2010, 7:51 p.m. CST

    Mr. Nice Gaius

    by cylon_conspiracy

    Mountain out of a molehill. Some tea party people were probably disappointed in Brown, but that's like saying some people loved Transformers 2 on AICN. They are in the minority. No one cares. And I'll tell you, Scott Brown got elected because he was against ObamaCare, and the people in the Tea Party movement know it. I know it would make you happy to think we've turned against one of our heroes, but we haven't. And I will hazard a guess that I talk to more conservatives, and read more conservative editorial, than you. Just a hunch.

  • March 18, 2010, 7:51 p.m. CST

    Thanks Gaius,

    by DoctorWho?

    Your like my drinking buddy at the bar who has to tell me to sit the hell down and that "it's just not worth it."<p>

  • March 18, 2010, 7:51 p.m. CST

    I'm not kidding guys

    by aDINGOateCLAIRESbaby

    This is just retarded on soo many levels. This is more retarded than her retarded son. I only wish I could be as retarded, just so I wouldn't have to deal with the emotional pain this is causing me. We already have enough crap to deal with, with our sell-out president. So there, now you can't tell me I'm a "pure liberal". I FEEL LIKE I'M TAKING CRAZY PILLS!!!!!11!!!!!!1111

  • March 18, 2010, 7:53 p.m. CST

    Billy Goat

    by cylon_conspiracy

    <p>http://articles.latimes.com/2009/aug/14/nation/na-health-end-of-life14</p>

  • March 18, 2010, 7:53 p.m. CST

    ...fixed link

    by cylon_conspiracy

    http://tinyurl.com/ya762b6

  • March 18, 2010, 7:56 p.m. CST

    LOL

    by MegaBeth

    I love it reading the comments from all the fat booger eating nerd bloggers on here pontificating about what a loser Palin is. Let me see, she was a Mayor, a Governor, and a Vice President candidate. And you guys play with your Star Wars figures and jerk off to Internet porn.. yet Palin is the loser?

  • March 18, 2010, 8:02 p.m. CST

    MegaBeth

    by American Mythos

    "... a Vice President candidate." What kind of speak is that? Is it similar to "In 2012, Sarah Palin may or may not be a President candidate." Hell, she could do it. She's already been a Mayor candidate. And Governor candidate. A Vice President candidate. So why not a President candidate? C'mon troops let's shatter that fuckin' glass ceiling!

  • March 18, 2010, 8:02 p.m. CST

    Most of these guys don't actually hate Palin

    by cylon_conspiracy

    They are just so jacked into the media, stuff like John Stewart, SNL, and Hollywood in general, they just parrot back what they hear.

  • March 18, 2010, 8:04 p.m. CST

    MegaBeth

    by aDINGOateCLAIRESbaby

    So by your standards, any idiot who accomplishes anything is instantly better than say, us "normies" who express outrage at said accomplishments? I guess Hitler and Ronald Reagan aren't losers either? Those jews and millions of destroyed american lives are probably fat booger eating nerds then. Nice.

  • March 18, 2010, 8:07 p.m. CST

    aDINGOateCLAIRESbaby

    by cylon_conspiracy

    Good job linking Palin to Hitler. Sort of makes those of us who claim Obama is a socialist look pretty reasonable.

  • March 18, 2010, 8:09 p.m. CST

    Sigh...

    by DoctorWho?

    Reagan=Hitler?<p> Allow me to stamp "Assclown" across that slopping, cro-magnon forehead of yours.

  • March 18, 2010, 8:10 p.m. CST

    and cylon...

    by aDINGOateCLAIRESbaby

    I can't speak for everyone, but as someone who used to find Jon Stewart funny and slightly informative, I've noticed he doesn't take as many shots to Obama, when they are well deserved. Instead his jokes comprise of how he's so awesome. Needless to say, I've stopped watching his show for over a year now. And you don't need to be spoon fed ideas of Palin's stupidity. Just listen to her speak!! Cmon people, what the HELL is the matter with some of you? There's a reason even her own party doesn't want anything to do with her anymore. No one wants her, except the simpletons of America. Please, do us all a favor and just connect the dots. It "ain't" that hard.

  • March 18, 2010, 8:12 p.m. CST

    Most of these guys don't actually hate Obama

    by American Mythos

    They are just so jacked into the Fox News, stuff like Glenn Beck, Rush Limaugh, and talk radio in general, they just parrot back what they hear.

  • March 18, 2010, 8:13 p.m. CST

    and again with words I Didn't write, cylon....

    by chromedome

    Did I say that the TP is so backwards it doesn't see the pandering? NO.<p>You have no idea how much faith I have in the common man. I did speak to how much faith I have in large political groups, organizations, and institutions like Congress and TPs.<p>I did not say all TPers are knee-jerkers (just as i did not say they are all hicks, or that I get my information from MSNBC). In FACT, I DID say there are people of good conscience on all sides, and in FACT I DID say they get drowned out by knee-jerkers.<p>And, in FACT, you ignored what I DID say and put different words in there, and then argued with me about something I didn't say at all.<p>You are, actually, being very helpful in demonstrating just the sort of behavior I was describing. Thanks, I guess...<p>BTW, the sky, depending on time of day, weather and cloud conditions, is often blue. I say this because I know (now) that you love to have something to pounce on with a "No Shit" or "Is it point out the obvious day?" comment--more "debate points" to mark on your little score pad. So it is my gift to you...

  • March 18, 2010, 8:14 p.m. CST

    cylon

    by aDINGOateCLAIRESbaby

    I'm just trying to prove a point. If having a title means so much, then surely the guy who the world feared would have global domination would be at the top of Beth's list. Plus, I think it's a much more logical metaphor than the one you guys used for Obama. Most of you don't even know what socialism or fascism is. You just spout of what glenn beck and sarah palin say on a daily basis.

  • March 18, 2010, 8:16 p.m. CST

    Now and then Stewart takes a shot at the left

    by cylon_conspiracy

    <p>And it should be pointed out when it happens. He's done some good stuff lately. After a year of Obama being in office, I think he is starting to see if he can go against the grain and criticize liberals. Back in the old days, comedians went after the president, but I guess when democrats are in office you have to be really careful. Still, doing so at least makes you "relevant". He hates Palin though.</p> <p>Daily Show was better with Kilborn anyway.</p> <p>It was also fun watching SNL dip their toe into the "Criticize Obama" water. They did a semi-funny sketch on his failures in office, and CNN did a fact-check on the sketch! The attention scared them, so they followed up with a few feather light Obama jabs, to get the heat off of them for a while. Now, they are sort of getting braver, daring to criticize the great One. It's nice, like watching a kid ride a bike without the training wheels the first time.</p> <p>I hear her speak, and it makes me happy. Maybe you should get your hearing checked? Lots of people think she's an effective speaker, and like her a lot. If you can't see that, you are out of touch my man. I don't like Obama but I can understand why he has fans, he's likable, well spoken, etc.</p>

  • March 18, 2010, 8:17 p.m. CST

    Fuck that stupid-ass beotch!

    by JayLenoTookMyJob

    And her mutant zombie clad of ne'er-do-wells! Boycott Discovery, A&E and every other channel owned by their parent corporations!

  • March 18, 2010, 8:18 p.m. CST

    WOW

    by aDINGOateCLAIRESbaby

    I'm not equating Hitler or Reagan with anyone or anything else folks! I'm just going by the small minded logic of another talkbacker. But of course, you idiots can't think logically, so why even bother making something as complex as a metaphor. Maybe if I used big words like socialism to confuse and anger you it would work. Fuck it, I'm out.

  • March 18, 2010, 8:19 p.m. CST

    Nobody's said MILF yet???

    by Little Beavis

    Okay, then. Had to take care of that. Carry on!

  • March 18, 2010, 8:20 p.m. CST

    Fucking lousy Wi-Fi!

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Damn it, no thanks to my weak connection, I think I just lost a rather large post. And honestly, I'm too lazy to try and re-write it from scratch.<P>I hope this doesn't hurt my internet cred...<P>...heh.

  • March 18, 2010, 8:20 p.m. CST

    Neither side wants the other guy to win.

    by Billy Goat

    But that's the problem. The politicians care more about preventing the other side from "winning" than they do about actually fixing the country. It's not balance; it's stagnation, or worse. The Conservatives are creating the impression that all they care about is making Obama look bad, even if they have to let America itself become a third-world country to accomplish it. Obama's embarassment is more important to the Right than America is.<p>The L.A. Times article you linked confirms that the health care bill said nothing about "death panels". Did you even read your own link? <p>See, this is what I'm talking about. Tea Partiers are so blind to facts, they'll even try to defend themselves with newspaper articles that prove them wrong. Can they not read? Do they think nobody else can read?<p>Seriously, the Tea Party movement's doublethink is fucking creeping me out. You can't possibly be this cartoonishly Orwellian.

  • March 18, 2010, 8:23 p.m. CST

    chromedome

    by cylon_conspiracy

    <p>Hey chromedome, your first post in response to my point, wast that I was "naieve for certain" because I thought the Tea Party has power over the GOP. I thought it was only fair to point out the times you were naieve and coming off like someone who isn't very knowledgeable about politics either. Sorry if it hurt your feelings, I was just meeting you on your terms.</p> <p>Aside from that, all the other content of my posts has been directed specifically to your points and I think I've given you some good responses. </p>

  • March 18, 2010, 8:25 p.m. CST

    Cylon - End of Life

    by MediaNerd

    Did you read the article you posted? It's pretty much a contradiction of what you've been spouting. It states "death panels" were a farce, but so much made up sensationalism had been made on them that they were scrapping volunteer end of life discussions - which is something most people should have. <br><br> Thanks to modern machines, we can keep people alive in all sorts of states. Unfortunately those said people rarely get to decide if they wish these extreme life saving measures, usually it's their kids who decide. The kids tend to not want to let Mom or Dad go, irregardless if the parent is suffering or living something that no longer resembles a life. If the person is happy alive, but bed ridden - good for them, have at the medicine, but it should be their decision.

  • March 18, 2010, 8:25 p.m. CST

    Yep, it's gone.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

  • March 18, 2010, 8:29 p.m. CST

    Billy Goat

    by cylon_conspiracy

    When one side says "We feel it's in the best interests to destroy the country", you hope there's at least a few people on the other side who might want to "Stop" that from happening. You don't say "can we just ruin part of the country instead? Can we talk about this?" The liberals want to destroy this country (or at least our way of life) and Obamacare is their holy grail. That's why they're putting it all on the line. They aren't thinking straight. You can reason with them. They don't like the way our form of Government is set up and they are there to change it. That's the Orwellian thing. We're the ones actually trying to preserve the Constitution and Nation for you and your grandkids. You're welcome.

  • March 18, 2010, 8:31 p.m. CST

    MediaNerd

    by cylon_conspiracy

    Yeah that's the liberal L.A. Times. The point was to show that after Palin mentioned the Death Panels, that part of the bill was removed. The explaining of how red is really green following it wasn't the point of the post, should have made it clearer in the post. The point was that she made the claim, and action was taken to "fix" her complaint.

  • March 18, 2010, 8:33 p.m. CST

    My first post didn't mention you, nor had I read your

    by chromedome

    earlier posts at all. I was posting in agreement with MNG's post on the TP-GOP-Power subject.<p>So you took it as directed at you specifically when it wasn't, decided to meet me on my terms when you clearly don't know when I am not even talking to you, much less what my "terms" are.<p>I am quite sure that you think you have given me some good responses. We can both agree that you are very confident about your posts.

  • March 18, 2010, 8:33 p.m. CST

    Libs like American Mythos CAN'T even do math

    by Starship Captain

    American Mythos said "The bill reduces the deficit by $130 billion in the first ten years, $1.3 trillion in the next, and pays for itself with cost saving measures. I was actually surprised this morning at how good these numbers look."<p>ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME? Those numbers look good to you? Here's a reality check...<p>First, this is government accounting at its worst. More than HALF of the cost for Obamacare comes from Medicare/Medicaid cuts, which the fucking moron can't even identify up front. Seriously, I'd at least give this some chance if the Dems could SPECIFICALLY rattle off $500 billion in savings that they had ALREADY found and could ACTUALLY name -- so that you'd KNOW that $1/2 TRILLION was accounted for. But can they? No. Instead this is bullshit being spread like fertilizer. Once again, we're back to the silly notion of politicians basically paying for a bullshit plan by saying, "I THINK I can find savings by plucking cash from this other place." Yeah, well, what if the moneys NOT there? What if you only find $400 billion in cuts? Whoops! Your cost just went up $100 BILLION. What happens if old people from around the nation revolt or the AARP blocks the cuts at every step...and politicians running for office at THAT time give in to their pressure, to get their votes, at which point you make even LESS cuts? Whoops! Costs skyrocketing again!<p>Secondly, you're happy this plan will save $130 billion over TEN YEARS? For fuck's sake, just the INTEREST ALONE on the national debt was around $221 billion LAST MONTH. So congrats to O-dumba and the Dems. in their astounding genius, they crafted a financial plan that will take 10 FUCKING YEARS to recoup the payment that we, as a country, just had to shell out to cover the last 18 DAYS.<p>Wow! 10 YEARS to pay off the interest the country amassed in a mere 18 DAYS! Now that's hope and change and accounting you can believe in!<p>And as far as this bill THEN saving $1.3 trillion in the following 10 years, people like American Mythos must be on crack. When the CBO originally scored Medicare for 10 years, its cost was ultimately 7 TIMES LARGER than anything they predicted. For all this talk of the CBO being the "gold standard" for computing costs, the truth is their record for predicting end costs pretty much fucking SUCKS. Yet here is someone like American Mythos, in his cocaine induced stupor, trumpeting their prediction for 20 years out.<p>Charles Krauthammer had it right today, when he said on TV: "I have more faith in a stranger on the street telling me what the weather is going to be like on January 1...20 years from now...than the CBO predicting what medical costs will be in 20 years."

  • March 18, 2010, 8:34 p.m. CST

    Mr. Nice Gaius

    by cylon_conspiracy

    The only thing that can hurt your cred on this site is to support Palin or the Tea Party, or republicans in general. You've got a long way to go to catch up to me. Of course, I also really liked Transformers2 and got a lot of flack for that.

  • March 18, 2010, 8:37 p.m. CST

    chromedome

    by cylon_conspiracy

    Well, whatever. You are too sensitive. My position was that the Tea Party has power over the GOP, to you, that is naieve for certain. If you're going to say stuff like that you can't assume that just because it's AICN you won't be challenged. Seems the last couple months, more and more guys are willing to come out as being on the Right. Seems like it wasn't that long ago that it was literally me versus everyone else. Anyway, you called my position naieve, I called yours naieve, we're square.

  • March 18, 2010, 8:39 p.m. CST

    I liked watching Megan Fox in Tranformers2

    by chromedome

  • March 18, 2010, 8:41 p.m. CST

    Confused on your point then

    by MediaNerd

    So the point was to show that creating sensationalized names for innocent things and misleading people who don't look deeper with false info and exaggerations can get kill potentially helpful plans?<br><br> Well sure, that's been the government mode of operation for...well probably since the start...doesn't mean it's beneficial to the public.

  • March 18, 2010, 8:43 p.m. CST

    Charles Krauthammer is God

    by cylon_conspiracy

    <p>Or at least God-Like. You guys should actually watch Fox News so you can learn about the world.</p> <p>And Starship Captain I'll assume your well written post explaining the sham that is Obamacare is not simply thinly veiled racism. Remember, the president is an African American, and if you're going to criticize anything he does (or the democrats by extension) you are going to be called a racist.

  • March 18, 2010, 8:45 p.m. CST

    MediaNerd

    by cylon_conspiracy

    No, it was how obfuscating dangerous policies with benign sounding names like "end of life couseling" (at least in ObamaCare land) is a bad thing. You got it backwards! Try again.

  • March 18, 2010, 8:50 p.m. CST

    To people like American Mythos, everyone is a racist...

    by Starship Captain

    Mythos, you said "If you were smart you'd start a movement from scratch, one not tainted by racial motives."<p>Get real! I could start a brand new movement tomorrow called "Americans for Responsible Deficit Reduction" composed ENTIRELY of bankers, accountants, economists, and people from legitimate financial positions...people who just want to get government spending under control and to properly balance the ledgers...and no matter HOW MANY things were quoted on a purely mathematical level, I guarantee that the second the group went against your beloved Obama, Leftist clowns like you will be the first to pout and shout "You just don't want Obama to succeed! You're racists! You're against his economic plans only because he's black!"<p>Puh-leeeze. We've already been down this road -- several times, in fact -- and America has long since woken up to the utter BULLSHIT stance that the Left constantly falls back on to shield Obama's worthless ass. The Tea Party movement wasn't created, nor is it based on racism. Instead the reverse is true. Those who support Obama by labeling people as such are truly the sickest and most racist people in the country today. Because they've got NO intellectual argument to present, so they HAVE to fall back to the now very tired "You only don't like him because he's black" routine.

  • March 18, 2010, 8:53 p.m. CST

    OK

    by MediaNerd

    At least now I understand where you're coming from, though I don't understand why.

  • March 18, 2010, 8:54 p.m. CST

    MediaNerd

    by cylon_conspiracy

    I'm against Obamacare. That's why I posted the link.

  • March 18, 2010, 9 p.m. CST

    Cylon

    by MediaNerd

    I get that obvious fact. But if we're looking at individual items -- I don't see anything scary or bad about optional end of life discussions. Above, I stated why I thought they were beneficial.

  • March 18, 2010, 9:01 p.m. CST

    Divisiveness of the left

    by cylon_conspiracy

    <p>It's like when Chris Matthews "forgot that Obama was black" after his SOTU speech. It's like, hey guys. Don't forget. That's not just the president, but that's the BLACK PRESIDENT! Isn't that neat! There's a BLACK GUY in the White House!! WOW!!!</p> <p>Pre-occupied with race much? Sheesh. Maybe someday we can get to the point that a black man can become President and actually be treated like any other president, but we're not there yet, at least not with liberals being what they are: focused on race to the exclusion of all else. It's a shame. </p>

  • March 18, 2010, 9:03 p.m. CST

    MediaNerd

    by cylon_conspiracy

    I explained Palin's position of why she used that term. If you trust a big bureaucracy like the federal government, when confronted with trying to cut costs, to not rely on language specifically put in to help them cut those costs, then I don't know what to tell you. All I can say is if they literally called them "Death Panels" there would have been a bigger outcry.

  • March 18, 2010, 9:08 p.m. CST

    THIS was the birth of the Tea Party

    by cylon_conspiracy

    http://tinyurl.com/c4kwy7 This is how it all started. He just used the right words "tea party" at the right time, to express what a lot of Americans were feeling at the time.

  • March 18, 2010, 9:10 p.m. CST

    Cylon, you're 100% wrong about one thing.

    by ebonic_plague

    Kilborn's Daily Show was dogshit compared to Stewart's. Kilborn's entire act was just about being a condescending prick. There's a reason he doesn't have a show at all anymore. Hell, he made Stern seem like a nice guy in comparison.

  • March 18, 2010, 9:19 p.m. CST

    Thinking Kilborn > Stewart = Naive For Certain

    by chromedome

    ;-)

  • March 18, 2010, 10:44 p.m. CST

    So you anti obamacare people are saying

    by Mel_Gibsons_Nazi_Dad

    We, the USA, can't do what Canada and many other nations have done? You anti american assholes, how dare you have no faith in my country. You don't like it? Get out.<p> You're welcome for the strategy lefties. Start treating it like they did with the war in Iraq, question their patriotism. Hopefully you can spark another civil war and then you can all kill each other.<p> BTW, I'm not on either "side" but I do support socialized healthcare for people other than the elderly.

  • March 18, 2010, 10:44 p.m. CST

    Sarah Palin in the new Galactica spin-off please

    by BubbaDestructo

    You decide her role.

  • March 18, 2010, 10:53 p.m. CST

    She could be the first cylon ever to be Boxed

    by chromedome

    as long as they do it in the first 17 seconds of the first episode....

  • March 18, 2010, 11 p.m. CST

    Sarah Palin Is Taking Over the Media Universe

    by MarkWhittington

    And boy, can't you feel the hate! Mind, anyone who thinks that the UK or Canadian health care systems are anything to copy will believe anything.

  • March 18, 2010, 11:01 p.m. CST

    The TeaParty.Org founder writes "niggar" on his signs

    by American Mythos

    That's a fact. And he doesn't even spell it right.

  • March 18, 2010, 11:01 p.m. CST

    Sarah Palin: Guns, God, and Greed Gone Wild

    by GornPirate

    This really is going to be a new low for American politics and culture. We have totally blurred the line between celebrity and politician in the most tabloid trash kind of way. Our Founding Fathers are rolling over in their graves.

  • March 18, 2010, 11:12 p.m. CST

    And yes, Starship, deficit reduction is a good thing

    by American Mythos

    No matter how incrementally that reduction takes place. Is health care the only area we need to take steps to reduce the deficit in? No. But it's a start. Tell you what, quit listening to talking points and read the CBO report yourself.

  • March 18, 2010, 11:20 p.m. CST

    Let's get ready to rumbllllllllle!

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    Just checking in

  • March 18, 2010, 11:24 p.m. CST

    Holeeeee shit

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    It's been a while. Watch that Couric clip and defend Sarah Palin. I double dog dare you. Holy fucking shit.

  • March 18, 2010, 11:26 p.m. CST

    Never even heard of TeaParty.org

    by cylon_conspiracy

    <p>So whoever that nut is, he's not a mover and shaker in the Tea Party movement. There is no one in this thread more well versed in right-wing blogs--and I have never heard of that guy, or his site. Never heard it mentioned. Ever.</p> <p>Probably because no one in the movement who is serious about the cause would be associated with that crap.</p>

  • March 18, 2010, 11:29 p.m. CST

    Did anyone hear about this healthcare bill?

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    The CBO says it will reduce the deficit! Go figure! <p>I'm ready to mix it up, let's do this!

  • March 18, 2010, 11:30 p.m. CST

    Read THIS to see what the real TP's think of that guy

    by cylon_conspiracy

    ttp://tinyurl.com/ya3xbqo BTW this link IS a good site for conservatives.

  • March 18, 2010, 11:33 p.m. CST

    Another Pro TP site criticizing him

    by cylon_conspiracy

    tinyurl.com/y8raj79

  • March 18, 2010, 11:53 p.m. CST

    And yet ANOTHER site, discrediting him

    by cylon_conspiracy

    http://tinyurl.com/yaj9q8g Keep in mind, all these blogs I'm posting to are legit, pro-Tea Party sites. So if you want to get a feel for how we actually think, read those.

  • March 18, 2010, 11:56 p.m. CST

    Houston Tea Party official staement, discrediting him:

    by cylon_conspiracy

    http://tinyurl.com/yhmodux

  • March 19, 2010, 12:04 a.m. CST

    Liberal mag MOTHER JONES even says he's not real:

    by cylon_conspiracy

    <p>http://tinyurl.com/yj6d9tu</p> <p>So, basically, that dork with the sign is a fake, and a fraud, and is in no way shape or form associated with the Tea Party movement leaders, other than in his own sick, delusional mind.</p>

  • March 19, 2010, 12:06 a.m. CST

    American Mythos, thanks for the laugh!

    by Big Dumb Ape

    Thanks for giving us a major laugh with your insane sense of economics. Not to mention, proving to everyone that you have no sense of reading comprehension. And as the icing on the cake, I love that you're also challenging everyone to read the CBO report, basically trying to give everyone busy work, so you can stall for time while you try to come up with yet another fucked-up rationale that makes NO logical or fiscal sense.<p>Which brings us back to Starship Captain's eye-opening point about just how bad the deficit is, something you completely missed. You say deficit reduction is good, no matter how incrementally it takes place. But that's a total joke and crock when you look at the actual numbers (which Starship posted) and you realize...<p>That ALL of the savings from Obamacare...<p>The ENTIRE $138 billion that Obama is crowing about...<p>Which will take 10 YEARS to amass...<p>WON'T even cover the INTEREST on the national debt for a SINGLE MONTH. Or as Starship noted, all of those savings -- 10 YEARS worth -- will only pay the interest on 18 DAYS.<p>Mythos, here's a basic math lesson. March has 31 days. That means for 13 days of March, for this month alone, not even the interest on the debt was covered. In fact, that also means the underlying balance INCREASED and thus next month's interest payment will GO UP as well.<p>In short, your grand Obamacare DOESN'T dent the deficit AT ALL. That's how FUCKING PATHETIC Obamacare's "savings" actually are.

  • March 19, 2010, 12:38 a.m. CST

    End the FED

    by Aphex Twin

    The money saved from not paying interest from the Federal Reserve will more than pay for universal health care. Why isn't our government printing its own money? It's ludicrous.

  • March 19, 2010, 1:13 a.m. CST

    get Goldman Sachs to pay for it, they pay for Congress

    by G100

    problem solved

  • March 19, 2010, 1:31 a.m. CST

    Remember when...

    by WeylandYutani

    A&E and Discovery had good programming instead of reality garbage? <P> I think I have officially become a grumpy old man.

  • March 19, 2010, 1:48 a.m. CST

    The Real Deadliest Ice Road Choppers Housewives plus 8

    by G100

    coming all too soon

  • March 19, 2010, 3:15 a.m. CST

    Birthers?

    by Sgt.Steiner

    You mean the Australian forgery that passed itself off as a Nigerian birth certificate despite being on Austrailian form?

  • March 19, 2010, 3:20 a.m. CST

    Who Has Anything Against?

    by Sgt.Steiner

    Making fun of someone who believes the earth is thousands of years old, like Palin? How is that not the mark of the idiot? And her support for a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage? That's what makes a cunt! And bigoted one at that!

  • March 19, 2010, 5:40 a.m. CST

    Starship Captain

    by hst666

    Methinks you don't understand math or relevance as much as you think you do. You point out the size of the national debt (the size of which is primarily due to Republican administrations - but whatever). Let's say the Obama bill has zero savings and merely breaks even. Isn't better when more people are covered for the same amount of money. <p><p> Also, I find it ironic that you point to cuts to Medicare - cuts the Republicans have been pushing for years - cuts which are primarily being used to eliminate inefficiencies. <p><p>Hop on board the single-payer Medicare for all scheme, please. If the Republicans supported that, I would vote for them.

  • March 19, 2010, 5:42 a.m. CST

    Sgt.. Steiner

    by hst666

    I'm amazed at the lengths and hoops neocons are willing to jump through to defend Palin and attack Obama. Obama verbally decimates the Republicans and the Fox news reporters and they still attempt to claim victory. <p><p>And what I find really ironic is that Obama is a centrist at best and slightly right-of-center if you ask me. Not a lot of difference between him and Clinton as president.

  • March 19, 2010, 6:01 a.m. CST

    Starship Captain

    by hst666

    Actually I just read the CBO stuff again. Apparently, I'm almost as oblivious as you are.<p><p>The report apparently states it will cut the DEFICIT by 138B over ten years. It does not say it will SAVE 138B. Therefore, it obviously saves a lot more than that. Moreover, Democratic sources (take that as you will) claim the CBO report also states it will cut 1.2T over the next 10 years. The CBO's numbers also tend to be very conservative. So assuming these are accurate reflections of the CBO's report, the actual savings may be greater.<p><p>Further, the bill will also extend Medicare's solvency by at least nine years and reduce the rate of its growth by 1.4 percent while closing the doughnut hole for seniors, meaning there will no longer be a gap in coverage of medication. The CBO also estimated it would extend coverage to 32 million additional people.<p><p> Again, I have not read the report directly. This is just what is being reported.

  • March 19, 2010, 6:13 a.m. CST

    Ok maybe it's a little more complicated than I said.

    by hst666

    However, the quality of what I said is still accurate if not the quantities. Here is a link to the CBO report. http://big.assets.huffingtonpost .com/cboscore.pdf

  • March 19, 2010, 6:51 a.m. CST

    Cylon Conspiracy...TEA PARTY

    by slowgraffiti

    Here you go. The proof is all here. You want to see how the TEA PARTY really thinks? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pilG7PCV448

  • March 19, 2010, 8:17 a.m. CST

    And the collective national IQ drops several more points

    by impossibledreamers

    What's more amazing? A beauty queen turned sports announcer turned small-time political graft magnet ALMOST becomes the second most powerful person in the country... all because she can wink and has decent legs. OR This same dimbulb will continue to get money for nothing on national TV, either as a 'political commentator' on Faux Noise (sorry Fox News - as American as a company owned by Aussie nutjob can be) or as the subject of another staged 'slice of life' series. To all the more right-leaning out there. You have to admit, she's a lot more like Bill Clinton than anyone wants to acknowledge. She's just missing the cigar.

  • March 19, 2010, 8:17 a.m. CST

    They couldn't get Lisa Ann?

    by Gozu

    They should just do a reality series following her years as Sarah Paylin. Ratings Gold.

  • March 19, 2010, 8:58 a.m. CST

    Even if i agreed with Palin's politics

    by SithMenace

    I still wouldn't like her. She's a dork.

  • March 19, 2010, 9:02 a.m. CST

    Republicans love being evil.

    by cookylamoo

    They take social programs and do everything in their power to shoot them down and then they have the gall to gloat about it. You want "hope" and "change." Bwah ha ha ha. Not with US around. No hope HERE baby. And CHANGE don't come round, neither. This is corporate USA.

  • March 19, 2010, 9:02 a.m. CST

    Legalize marijuana

    by SithMenace

    I'm dead serious. The revenue would pay for everyone's healthcare, pull us out of the recession, reduce crime, free up prisons and leave the DEA to go after more serious drugs. But it needs to be taxed and regulated like alcohol. Jose Quervo marijuana.

  • March 19, 2010, 9:25 a.m. CST

    What happened to Discovery anyway?

    by yomomma

    It went from science content to the Blue-collar jobs, destroy nature channel so fast it made my head spin. Turn it on any given day of the week and it's uneducated laborers killing things, blowing things up or building hotrods/bikes/tanks - there's no scince content at all anymore. Palin is perfect for their new format, but I'd like the old Dinosaurs/space/nature Discovery back!

  • March 19, 2010, 9:57 a.m. CST

    Discovery wanted to make that cheddar

    by BumLove

    So they changed their format to "Pimp My Planet".

  • March 19, 2010, 10:16 a.m. CST

    PALIN SHOULD TAKE OVER SCARE TACTICS

    by BringingSexyBack

    It just plain makes sense.

  • March 19, 2010, 10:33 a.m. CST

    LAUGHING MY ASS OFF @ Tea Party defenders

    by turketron_2

    Seriously!?

  • March 19, 2010, 10:39 a.m. CST

    Discovery channel

    by cyberskunk

    I have no idea if this has any bearing on the changes at the Discovery channel, but I notice Discovery Communications has an ex-president. http://sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Discovery_Communications

  • March 19, 2010, 10:41 a.m. CST

    ABOUT THOSE WHO OPPOSE HEALTHCARE REFORM

    by BringingSexyBack

    Look. Besides the fact that you're a fucking loon, there is the other fact and that's that our country needs reform. Period. We are on such a destructive path with deteriorating health, related bankruptcies and the denial of care due to lax rules it's not even funny. <P> How anyone could put more faith in the private sector who have PROVEN to be harmful to the so-called insured, than in the government amazes me. <P> You're the same people who backed Bush's war, which cost has put us in the red and will continue to do so. <P> You're the same people who not only backed war spending but at the same time backed tax cuts for the wealthy, citing trickle-down. How's THAT workin' for ya? <P> I mean, all the Bush policies, backed by full Republican support, have been so destructive to the nation and you still adhere to party line thinking and bash Obama religiously. Talk about derangement syndrome. Fuck me. <P> "Republicans united in opposition." <P> I hear that line day after day. You know what, here's my stand on healthcare reform. I would've rather it be done incrementally with successive policy initiatives. It would've been the best way to handle it. <P> But guess what wingnuts. We can't do it that way because you are so united in opposition to anything the Dems do, no matter how sensible, that you force their hand to pass a giant bill. That's YOUR doing. Your representatives have demonstrated by voice and action that they will never work with Obama or the Dems. That they are beholden to agenda and the corporate elite ... and well, you are reaping what they sowed. <P> It really is unfortunate. I much prefer a government united to work for the people, but the Right is not having that. So in that kind of toxic atmosphere I have to support what we've got. Because if we have no reform now, we'll NEVER have it and this dangerous oligopoly of private insurers will be in a position to cause a crisis that could be as far reaching, or more so, than the banking crisis. <P>

  • March 19, 2010, 10:44 a.m. CST

    MAYBE PALIN CAN HOST FOOD WARS

    by BringingSexyBack

    Because anything that has to do with war, she likes.

  • March 19, 2010, 10:47 a.m. CST

    Bruce Bartlett (regarding reform)

    by cyberskunk

    I like Bruce Bartlett. http://capitalgainsandgames.com/bartlett

  • March 19, 2010, 10:51 a.m. CST

    "This is my Left Hand, But This is My Right Hand"

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    Good one.

  • March 19, 2010, 10:56 a.m. CST

    Why doesn't she just go on Dancing With the Stars

    by Stabby

    and just be done with it, already?

  • March 19, 2010, 10:56 a.m. CST

    I'M SORRY, BUT I HAVE TO LAUGH ANYTIME SOMEONE

    by BringingSexyBack

    mentions Palin Derangement Syndrome. That just shows a complete lack of self-awareness and absence of intellect. I mean, how constantly rabid were the attacks directed at Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi (especially), Michael Moore (even more especially), Jon Stewart, etc. ad nauseum? <P> And to accuse anyone of derangement in defending Palin of all people. Too funny.

  • March 19, 2010, 10:57 a.m. CST

    NO DON'T INFECT MY DANCING WITH THE STARS

    by BringingSexyBack

    Tucker Carlson and Tom DeLay were quite enough!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now I gotta deal with Kate Gosselin this season. Fuck me.

  • March 19, 2010, 10:59 a.m. CST

    I hate you all....

    by DangerDave

    I have read almost all of these post and I would like to add...<P> You are all a bunch of kool-aid drinking hacks. Left <P> Right <P> Teabaggers <P> Progressives <P> Obama Haters <P> Palin Haters <P> "BO is the worst President in HISTORY" <P> Bush did it <P> Where is Bin Laden <P> Where are the WMD <P> Where is my job <P> Where is my check <P> Where is my hope and change <P> Change (in my pocket) you can beLIEve in <P> Wait until November <P> Wait until 2012 <P> I fucking hate you all. <P> Palin is a fucking joke. PERIOD. She would rather write books and do talk shows than do that bothersome public service thing. I have worked for the government for over 14 years...and I know bullshit when I see it. You are all sweating it. Fuck you and talkback closed.

  • March 19, 2010, 11:11 a.m. CST

    MCGOO

    by DangerDave

    I am the deputy of Range Operations on a major Army installation. End of Line.

  • March 19, 2010, 11:17 a.m. CST

    On Discovery Channel? What the fuck...

    by D.Vader

    This is the worst idea, in a long sad history of bad ideas.

  • March 19, 2010, 11:20 a.m. CST

    I vote

    by DangerDave

    I don't vote for mouthbreathers.

  • March 19, 2010, 11:21 a.m. CST

    MCGOOCAIN

    by BringingSexyBack

    Yes, this hyper-partisanship on the Right has gone to astronomical heights to the point where moderate Republicans and Conservatives are viciously attacked for straying from their agenda. Amazing. Alan Simpson is the new target. Tomorrow, there will be another. The ultra-right would rather the nation be destroyed than work with anyone.

  • March 19, 2010, 11:27 a.m. CST

    Barry Goldwater on hyper-partisanship

    by cyberskunk

    Check out this youtube video showing Goldwater being interviewed in 1966 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVGlHuMjElg at the 44 second mark. It sounds like self-identified conservatives are having the same problems that Goldwater was saying self-identified liberals were having at the time.

  • March 19, 2010, 11:27 a.m. CST

    BSB I don't oppose health care reform.

    by DoctorWho?

    Your reasoning is nonsense BSB...and you know it. <p> Your take is is "Yeah, the bill sucks but the Republicans won't let the Dems do anything because they're meanies so we HAVE TO DO IT BY FORCE AND LIKE IT". That's it? You're nothing if not honest but that is the weakest line of logic I have ever heard.<p> And to attempt to somehow prop up your weak reasoning and tow the party line you throw in the tired, old 'Bush lied and people died; Dick Cheney is mean; Sarah Palin has a retarted baby; Haliburton and blah, blah, blah...' rant to somehow justify your embarrasing resignation to the whole thing.<p> Obama blew it by having his seven-hour televised health care summit back-fire! It showed Republicans to be highly informed on the subject. Obama was forced to admit there were principled objections. It ended up disproving that Republican opposition was just nihilistic partisanship...'for the hell of it'.<p> The mere fact that you think there isn't a serious, well-informed public out there with valid objections against this sweeping, all transforming power grab is total and absolute proof that you simply refuse to even look at the facts with intellectual honesty OR are just completely stupid. But I KNOW you are not a stupid individual.<p> OF COURSE health-care reform is needed. When you ask people about individual items ( eliminating exclusions for preexisting conditions or capping out-of-pocket payments etc), they are in favor. But gee...why are people so wildly NOT in favor of this bullshit huh? Because Obama is black? Because they want to see a birth certificate first? Unbelieveable.<p> I'll tell you why...because people like HERC ignorantly sum it up like this: FREE HEALTH CARE. NO STRINGS ATTACHED. RICH PEOPLE WILL PAY FOR IT. DONE. <p> Yeah, of course that would be popular.<p> But that's not even close to what this is.<p> The frightening irony which you don't want to hear is that those 'teabaggers' out there...you know...retirees, grandparents, regular working class people, families, doctors, people who kind of like the Constitution etc...yeah...THOSE RADICALS. They are the ones who are freaking out because they see the size and scope of what it really is: Mr. post-partisan president gang-tackling a sixth of the U.S. economy despite the absence of support from a single Republican in either house.

  • March 19, 2010, 11:42 a.m. CST

    How about we STOP rewarding this stupid bitch already?

    by DickBallsworth

    She's the Paris Hilton of the Political Sphere for Christ's sake. Enough with this ignorant cunt and her hateful, misinformed hateful bullshit. Please, Sweet Jesus, pull the fucking plug on her and put her out of our collective misery.

  • March 19, 2010, 11:46 a.m. CST

    DOCWHO

    by BringingSexyBack

    You don't have to twist my words since they're only a few posts above yours. That's pathetic. <P> And what I said is exactly what I meant. The GOP is not willing to pass any reform. They have consistently declared that the private insurers are not to be toyed with, going so far as to play the politics of fear in scaring people into thinking their premiums will rise with reform. Guess what buddy. They're rising without it. <P> You idiot. Where did I mention Bush, Cheney, Halliburton, and Palin's baby in an mocking manner? You mean when I talked about how much the wars cost? LOL you weak moron. It's a fact that the wars have so far cost us close to a Trillion. Do you dispute that? What returns have we gotten for that spending? How many dead? How much waste towards the profiteers' pockets? You're one of the biggest cheerleaders for the wars so I'm not surprised you gloss over that amount of spending so easily. Fiscally speaking, you're a hypocrite. <P> I've heard the Tea Baggers. What amuses me is that you think they're representative of logical thinking Americans. No. When they scream Socialism! and march with placards of Joker Obama they showing their stripes - being tools of the rightwing media and insurance companies. <P> Or did our esteemed DocWho not notice the rabid shouting down of opposing opinions at town halls across the country? <P> BTW what do you think about this idea for reducing the deficit and bolstering Soc Sec? Eliminate the cap on SS tax. I think that's a good idea.

  • March 19, 2010, 11:54 a.m. CST

    IN FACT, I THINK IF WE ELIMINATE THE CAP ON SS TAX

    by BringingSexyBack

    We can reduce the rate across the board. Bring it down to about 9 to 10 percent from the current 12.4%. I'm no actuary but I imagine the wealthy paying their fair share (since they collect on SS too) will enable a cut for the rest. It's in line with the flat-tax advocates' thinking. This will benefit small business owners, self-employed and basically the entire lower to middle classes.

  • March 19, 2010, 11:57 a.m. CST

    Danger Dave is the sec/treasurer

    by schadenfreudian

    Of his district's chapter of the People Who Hate people Party.

  • March 19, 2010, 12:02 p.m. CST

    MCGOOCAIN

    by BringingSexyBack

    You know, I just think it's rather telling that someone has to twist words around to make a point. Because such a point will by default be invalid. Especially since my post is like a couple of inches above. <P> I like opposing opinions. Last few talkbacks had some really smart, reasonable Conservatives here. By reasonable, I mean you can actually reason with them. Where are those guys? Now we got loons like Cylon.

  • March 19, 2010, 12:12 p.m. CST

    I JUST WANT TO GIVE ZOOEY 5 MINUTES WITH PALIN

    by BringingSexyBack

    Because I tell you, Zooey is none too happy with this wolf killin' moose eater.

  • March 19, 2010, 12:13 p.m. CST

    Even without Coughlins Laws

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    This TB is filled with some of the stupidest cock gobblers ever.<p>I'm a liberal, but if it's one thing Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Eric Massa, Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, John Edwards and William Jefferson (among many others) have taught me it's that Democrats are a bunch of lying, thieving, corrupt scumbags, too. Essentially there is little if no difference between members of both parties. The bottom line, and this baby is crucial, is that both are beholden to corporate interests. Stances on abortion, the environment and stems cells seem to be the only real issues separating the two parties.<p>I think the only time you see actual fundamental differences is when you look at conservatives and liberals. One is a little more progressive thinking than the other. I'll let you figure out which.<p>But to hear conservatives say they are all for small government and less interference in their daily lives, I find it ironic that they continue to elect people who do and want the opposite.<p>The actual size of government, government spending and the deficit all ballooned under Reagan and Bush. For two presidents who claimed to be fiscally conservative, they were anything but. Also, I find it laughable how someone can say they don't want the government interfering in their life, but support the government telling a woman what she can do with her body or when a doctor can pull the plug on a patient.<p>I voted for Obama and he's been a massive disappointment. The people he's appointed are the sorriest sacks of vomit filled crap imaginable and he's really been way too cozy with the banking industry.<p>As far as healthcare goes, yes, I believe everyone should be entitled to it, but they tried to accomplish too much. If the original proposal had contained just three amendments: no more pre-existing condition clause, women are subject to higher rates and no more lifetime maximums, I believe that's something everyone could have gotten behind. It's called baby steps.<p>Lastly, for all these fuckhead Tea Party people saying "No free lunches!" and throwing money at people with degenerative disorders, why don't they mind their elected officials having gold-plated healthcare at their working class expense? The whole debate wouldn't be so insane if the GOP members of Congress against reform could explain why they get healthcare for free when they can clearly afford it, and unemployed Americans living in poverty aren't entitled to the same right?

  • March 19, 2010, 12:18 p.m. CST

    MCGOOCAIN

    by BringingSexyBack

    I wouldn't give up hope on discourse. As much as I hated David Frum I've been listening to him a lot and respect his informed opinion. Same with David Brooks. Just nobody associated with, or watches, Fox News and talk radio.

  • March 19, 2010, 12:21 p.m. CST

    THE FUNNY THING IS, IF THE RIGHT WEREN'T TOTALLY PLAYING

    by BringingSexyBack

    politics, Dennis Kucinich would not be voting for this bill. They've ramped up the political gaming so much they made him realize what was at stake - no chance of compromise from the Right and a total assault on every Democratic platform forever.

  • March 19, 2010, 12:22 p.m. CST

    Hawaiin Organ Donor wins

    by schadenfreudian

    Let's shutter this talkback and go out into the sunshine. No more bets, please.

  • March 19, 2010, 12:28 p.m. CST

    You can have Kusinich

    by cylon_conspiracy

    That guy lives in a dream world anyway. Compromise works both ways, little buddy. Obama had his seven hour mock "discussion" with the republicans and didn't take a SINGLE ONE of their suggestions. Why? Because it's his way, or the highway.

  • March 19, 2010, 12:29 p.m. CST

    I'M SO GLAD OBAMA DIDN'T GO TO ASIA

    by BringingSexyBack

    I like watching his fiery speeches.

  • March 19, 2010, 12:38 p.m. CST

    He'll be spending most of his time

    by cylon_conspiracy

    trying convince democrats in the House to vote for this steaming turd of a Senate bill that they are all terrified of touching with a ten-foot pole. If they had the votes, he wouldn't have canceled his vacation. He may give fiery speeches, but those speeches obviously don't translate into actually convincing the people of his own party to support his agenda, with the notable exception of Kusinich of course.

  • March 19, 2010, 12:40 p.m. CST

    2 C'S IN KUCINICH

    by BringingSexyBack

    Is it that hard FFS

  • March 19, 2010, 12:40 p.m. CST

    People don't generally like socialists

    by cylon_conspiracy

    That's why Kusinich would never get elected--he is the exact opposite of American values. He may represent the loons in his district, but the rest of the nation is not socialist. That's why Obamas numbers are so bad right now, he sold himself as a centrist, but it turns out he's just a big government dictator in the making.

  • March 19, 2010, 12:40 p.m. CST

    ACTUALLY OBAMA JUST WON THE SUPPORT OF THE ENTIRE

    by BringingSexyBack

    Hispanic caucus. Haha

  • March 19, 2010, 12:41 p.m. CST

    OMG WHAT I WOULDN'T GIVE TO HAVE ZOOEY

    by BringingSexyBack

    as my House Whip.

  • March 19, 2010, 12:42 p.m. CST

    Sorry Little Buddy

    by cylon_conspiracy

    "KUCINICH". Damn, once again you prove you are unable to debate the issue on rely on throwing hissy fits. With a name like "Bringing Sexy Back" I assume you are high-school age, you need to toughen up little buddy!

  • March 19, 2010, 12:43 p.m. CST

    OH YES THAT WAS A HISSY FIT

    by BringingSexyBack

    I'm so shaking under the weight of your arguments.

  • March 19, 2010, 12:45 p.m. CST

    BringingSexyBack

    by cylon_conspiracy

    I know you are. I feel like a dick for picking on a high school kid though. I expect that from you but I'm an adult. What are the kids in your class saying about all this?

  • March 19, 2010, 12:48 p.m. CST

    WHICH CLASS? SOCIALISM STUDIES?

    by BringingSexyBack

    They're happier than Palin in mud.

  • March 19, 2010, 12:49 p.m. CST

    McGooCain

    by cylon_conspiracy

    Oh god, read some history books now and then. You're up here defending socialism and you don't even know about how it's worked out in other countries over the years? I'll give you a hint--it's just like Communism or Fascism. Educate yourself before displaying your ignorance, you only embarass yourself.

  • March 19, 2010, 12:50 p.m. CST

    BringingSexyBack

    by cylon_conspiracy

    When's the last time you read a non-fiction book about the world that wasn't assigned by your teacher?

  • March 19, 2010, 12:50 p.m. CST

    SOCIALISM. JUST LIKE COMMUNISM AND FASCISM.

    by BringingSexyBack

    They oughta make a t-shirt with that. So we can laugh at those wearing them.

  • March 19, 2010, 12:51 p.m. CST

    I HAVEN'T TOUCHED A BOOK SINCE GORE MADE THE NET

    by BringingSexyBack

  • March 19, 2010, 12:52 p.m. CST

    This health care Bill is a piece of shit

    by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes

    The Dems should be afuckingshamed of themselves.<p> Yeah reform is needed, but ramming this horse shit down the throats of Bradley T Public is just plain wrong.

  • March 19, 2010, 12:52 p.m. CST

    SERIOUSLY THOUGH, THE LAST NON-FICTION BOOK I READ

    by BringingSexyBack

    was David Korten's When Corporations Rule The World. It's a good one. You should check it out,.

  • March 19, 2010, 12:55 p.m. CST

    CAPTAIN JAMES YEE'S FOR GOD AND COUNTRY

    by BringingSexyBack

    was pretty good too. You should check it out

  • March 19, 2010, 12:56 p.m. CST

    Cylon and Socialism

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    EVERYONE in this country is a socialist. I love the irony of Tea Party people who rail against socialism yet who send their kids to public schools, drive on public roads, call the police when their house has been broken into or the fire department when it's on fire. It doesn't matter if many of these services are handled on a local, state level, they are still services run by the government.<p>So we can trust the government to raise our kids 8 hours a day but not to treat us when we're ill?<p>I love the irony.

  • March 19, 2010, 12:56 p.m. CST

    Well at least you're honest about your ignorance

    by cylon_conspiracy

    BSB. Most guys here pretend they know what they are talking about and look like fools when confronted. When you're confronted you are pretty upfront about the fact that you're just messing around and don't take this stuff too seriously, and don't take the time to educate yourself. As it should be, you can get serious when you get older and register to vote.

  • March 19, 2010, 12:58 p.m. CST

    McGooCain

    by cylon_conspiracy

    Nice comeback. Lol, you don't know what socialism, communism, OR fascism are, do you?

  • March 19, 2010, 12:58 p.m. CST

    For Repulicans, "Socialist" Is The New Code Word For "Black Man"

    by LaserPants

    "Obama is a socialist and we hate them!" shout the Republicans in unison even though Obama is a moderate who leans conservative. (See his recent comments about wanting to privatize education and fire all the teachers, for example). He's black, though, and that TERRIFIES Republicans, NeoCons, Tea Partiers, Assholes, et al. Note how many of these senile wannabe anarchists sport confederate flags on their pick up trucks as they scream in anger against their own self-interest (i.e. anti-healthcare reform stance; something designed to benefit them which they inexplicably are militantly against for some insane reason). Oddly enough, most of the ideas being proposed in the healthcare bill are Republican ones! But now they hate the ideas? Hmm. Wonder why? 1) Black President. 2) Bitterness at the fact that Bush was the WORST president in this countries history and their political party is all but defunct because of him. (Not that the Dems are any better since they clearly suck at politics as well, they're just not quite as evil and/or incompetent.)

  • March 19, 2010, 1 p.m. CST

    CYLON - YOU WERE BEING SERIOUS?

    by BringingSexyBack

    My bad. Judging from your posts I thought you were fucking with me. Socialism bad, huh? Okay you win!

  • March 19, 2010, 1 p.m. CST

    ... I bet you think conservatives are Fascist

    by cylon_conspiracy

    <p>ROTFLMAO. Read a book once in a while bro. Good lord.</p>

  • March 19, 2010, 1:01 p.m. CST

    I read your words BSB...

    by DoctorWho?

    ..and if you can't see my obvious parody of your generic grocery list of talking points ( a complete and I'm sure intentional non- sequitur in the first place!) most of which have been tiresomely run down by you in the past anyway...then whatever. You've got some thin skin buddy.<p> "...rabid shouting down of opposing opinions at town halls across the country?" Rabid? as in people being angry? Very angry? Raising their voices? As in people having the right to be heard? You know, We The People and all that 'nonsense'. Yeah...who the fuck do they think they are? Why the hell aren't they just sitting back and and shutting the hell up while the SMART PEOPLE take care of everything? After all, they know what's best for us ignorant, peasants.<p> There is no bill to look at and debate; no text to read; no budget estimate to examine for its assumptions and calculations. We are hearing new things everyday. Have you heard about the increase of 12,000 employees to expand the IRS? This is a massive proposed law, thousands of pages long, with extraordinarily dense language. The president has promised even more new stuff in there like Medicare taxes and stuff that has never seen the light of day or been debated. His whole pitch is "Trust me". And you my friend are just totally cool with that. WOW. I'm cut from a different cloth... this is not how free people govern themselves. <p> Such urgency for a program the benefits of which do not begin to arrive largely for many years. There is not ONE conceivable argument for voting basically "sight unseen" except that the bill cannot withstand scrutiny. <p> If that does not strike you as at least curious than I don't know what to tell you.

  • March 19, 2010, 1:02 p.m. CST

    OKAY THIS READING A BOOK THING HAS GONE TOO FAR

    by BringingSexyBack

    Please let us know what Cylon's bestseller list looks like. I'm willing to bet you have Going Rogue on your bed. Amirite?

  • March 19, 2010, 1:02 p.m. CST

    For those who are interested, here are some articles

    by cylon_conspiracy

    <p>about socialism, fascism, and communism, and how they are more the less the same thing. This link is Pt.5, but I put it up because it has the links to the preceding 4 parts. </p> <p>http://tinyurl.com/create.php</p> <p>All the anti-Palin, anti-Conservative people here are really ignorant and uniformed, so I don't think this at their reading level, but some of the more independently minded might get something from it.</p>

  • March 19, 2010, 1:04 p.m. CST

    LaserPants, you're making a fool of yourself

    by cylon_conspiracy

    <p>This isn't southpark. You can't make your argument with "you're a fag!" or "you're a racist!"</p> <p>Learn about the issues or STFU. You are the scum of the earth, using racial divisiveness to rip the country apart. If there's a racist here, it's you.</p>

  • March 19, 2010, 1:05 p.m. CST

    DOES THE BOOK HAVE PICTURES?

    by BringingSexyBack

    It helps to unnerstand stuffs.

  • March 19, 2010, 1:05 p.m. CST

    Hawaiian Organ Donor

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Great points.

  • March 19, 2010, 1:07 p.m. CST

    I'm not a neocon, but I hate this bill

    by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes

    People are gonna be FORCED into buying healthcare, and the gubmint still will not be controlling costs and the healthcare industry can still RAISE costs for ten years? Fuck that.

  • March 19, 2010, 1:07 p.m. CST

    Going Rouge is pretty good

    by cylon_conspiracy

    <p>You read it too though. Remember when you were on here saying it was all lies? So don't single me out, you read the Palin book too (otherwise you wouldn't have passed judgement on it).</p> <p>This is the book I'm readin g now:</p> <p>http://tinyurl.com/yauvtmg</p>

  • March 19, 2010, 1:08 p.m. CST

    DOCWHO

    by BringingSexyBack

    What do you think of my Soc Sec tax proposal?

  • March 19, 2010, 1:08 p.m. CST

    LaserPanties--this is for you

    by cylon_conspiracy

    http://tinyurl.com/yk8337y

  • March 19, 2010, 1:09 p.m. CST

    WAIT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT GOING ROUGE OR ROGUE?

    by BringingSexyBack

    Because they are two separate Palin books.

  • March 19, 2010, 1:10 p.m. CST

    Riiight, Cylon, Riiight

    by LaserPants

    So why are they militantly against the healthcare reform bill, then? Especially considering that Obama is a moderate who leans conservative and many (if not most) of the objectives on the bill were gleaned from Republican ideas back when they killed healthcare reform in the early 90s? Hmm? Thought so.

  • March 19, 2010, 1:12 p.m. CST

    McGooCain

    by cylon_conspiracy

    I believe there is a gay porn site with your name on it, why don't you put your focus on the stuff you know about, k?

  • March 19, 2010, 1:12 p.m. CST

    aaaaand here's why shit never gets settled

    by schadenfreudian

    This talkback is indicative of why shit stays fucked up in this country. Nice work, everyone. U-S-A! U-S-A!

  • March 19, 2010, 1:13 p.m. CST

    LaserPanties

    by cylon_conspiracy

    One topic at a time--you obviously have no comprehension of Obama's political ideals or you would not be calling him a centrist with a straight face. I am against big government programs like this health care bill. YOU are the one using racially divisive language, and YOU should be ashamed of yourself for scraping the bottle of the barrel. Grow up.

  • March 19, 2010, 1:15 p.m. CST

    You know what's funny but really, really sad...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    ...the Iraq War is going to come back and bite this country in the ass. Hard.<P>Random thought. Enjoy it, fuckers.

  • March 19, 2010, 1:16 p.m. CST

    Battle_Royale_with_cheese

    by cylon_conspiracy

    Nothing ever gets settled here. Although I say it in jest, I really do believe that most of these liberals are uneducated, uniformed, and don't read books. The only way to get their attention is to meet them at their level: name calling and personal attacks. It's the only language they understand. I LOVE having an intelligent debate, but unfortunately, that is really not the typical poster in a thread like this, so I'm doing my best to speak their language.

  • March 19, 2010, 1:17 p.m. CST

    So Glenn Beck Is A Cylon?!

    by LaserPants

    Is that why you are so misinformed, angry, and silly simultaneously?! Keep screaming at the internettes, kid, and don't worry, soon, there won't be a black man as president and you can feel calm again. Ignorance Uber Alles!

  • March 19, 2010, 1:17 p.m. CST

    One thing good about all of this...

    by DoctorWho?

    Is that all of you who bought... hook, line and sinker... Obama's cool, post-partisan healer, that whole shtick he ran on is dead and gone for good. Just admit this. This shit going down now is basically a suspension of self-government and you're cool with that. It's a sickening descent into "who cares, just do it" extremism. Why? Because you can't think more than two steps ahead. You think your "sticking it to the man" and really just wiping your ass with the constitution. But fear not...it's going to pass. You apparently have no problem with the prez going after these congressmen to flip regardless of their constituients wishes, fine. It's all about him. Don't insult us with any noble gestures on his part. This will not reduce the deficit. But hey just because Pelosi says it will it must be true right? This Congress we're talking about. Asking these idiots (including Obama who thinks he's smarter than he realy is) to "fix " health care is like asking my 6 yr old daughter to to figure out my tax return.

  • March 19, 2010, 1:18 p.m. CST

    McGooCain

    by cylon_conspiracy

    Read my links, then come back and tell me what you learned. Until you're willing to do that, I'm not going to waste my time on explaining to you what socialism is like this is a 9th grade history class. Go do your own damn homework, son.

  • March 19, 2010, 1:20 p.m. CST

    LaserPants

    by cylon_conspiracy

    <p>Two things: I am skimming your posts because you called me a racist (see my posts above: once race is dragged into the discussion, I pretty much ignore the poster because they are proving how much of an intellectual lightweight they are), and I don't care for Glenn Beck all that much. Whatever he says that is bad, it pales in comparison to a fool like you calling people a racist. If this were face to face you would be bleeding right now.</p>

  • March 19, 2010, 1:25 p.m. CST

    Racist Liberals, Listen Up:

    by cylon_conspiracy

    <p>I've got some black conservative links here that will maybe help you grow out of your racist ways. Don't say I never did anything for you.</p> <p>Thomas Sewell on Intellectuals and Society:</p> <p>http://tinyurl.com/ykky9g8</p> <p>Thomas Sewell on Racists like LaserPants and American Mythos:</p> <p>http://tinyurl.com/ykky9g8</p> <p>Larry Elder on HealthCare (Larry's my idol BTW): <p>http://tinyurl.com/yzyp8xm</p>

  • March 19, 2010, 1:25 p.m. CST

    Here I am.

    by HoboCode

    Might as well bitch about politics since lostboytexass spoiled all of Lost for me in that TB. Cunt.

  • March 19, 2010, 1:27 p.m. CST

    LOL DOCWHO

    by BringingSexyBack

    You are by far the weakest link I've ever seen. Your indignation at Obama's approach is so deeply hypocritical to anyone who has known you for the past few years. The fact that you fail to recognize even the slightest flaw and fault with the Republican party just proves you're not worth talking to. At least HOD, I and other Libs express out dissatisfaction with the bill. You? You're a fucking lapdog. I'd trust your daughter to have more sense than you.

  • March 19, 2010, 1:30 p.m. CST

    I love how some equate...

    by DoctorWho?

    ...a functional, working government for and by the people (public schools, maintaining roads, infrastructure, a fair and managable welfare system and other public services) ...with a steady, growing central government which seeks to amass more power.<p> Anybody ever study any history? The left stands for an ever-more powerful state. This is a fact. Where are the moderates? I lambasted the fuck out of Bush for his ridiculous spending (as many of you did) which at the time was unprecedented. But THIS is ridiculous. The fact that your all rolling over, and biting your pillow and preparing to take it in the ass now would be funny if it weren't so sad.<p> I remember on election night night thinking hey, maybe this guy won't be so bad. Holy fuck!

  • March 19, 2010, 1:30 p.m. CST

    Oh, Innernettes Threat From A Glenn Beck Cylon?!

    by LaserPants

    I'm SO scared! Hahaha! You rule man, keep screaming at that wall you ignorant, maladroit, racist prick.<br><br>Wait, so why do you think Obama is a socialist again? It's the skin color, right? Since his policies are moderate, leaning conservative (again, see his support for privatizing schools and firing all the teachers.)

  • March 19, 2010, 1:30 p.m. CST

    We have government run and funded schools...

    by D.Vader

    AND we have private schools. Why not have government run and funded insurance and healthcare... AND let the rich keep their privatized insurance? Anyone have a problem with that? Some of the complaints I hear against healthcare reform and nanny state bullshit sound like the same pple who bitch about their tax money going to public schools bc they don't use them and don't have any kids.

  • March 19, 2010, 1:31 p.m. CST

    DoctorWho?

    by cylon_conspiracy

    It's not over yet, it hasn't passed yet, and they do not have the votes yet. Don't be discouraged. If the votes were there, it would be law. Someone like Kucinich is not the type of democrat that is holding this up. He was upset that Obamacare wasn't liberal enough. The ones who are on the fence or leaning no don't want to be associated with the Senate bill, AT ALL... because they know their constituents will throw them out on their ass. Kucinich is not in that situation, he is probably safe voting for socialism. No one else is though.

  • March 19, 2010, 1:33 p.m. CST

    Did I just see Weakest Link reference?

    by schadenfreudian

    What year is this?

  • March 19, 2010, 1:34 p.m. CST

    HYPER-PARTISANSHIP, MCGOO

    by BringingSexyBack

    A strict adherence to the talking points. A Party devotee. Let Rush do their thinking for them, so they don't have to.

  • March 19, 2010, 1:35 p.m. CST

    THE GAME SHOW DIDN'T INVENT THE PHRASE ROYALE ...

    by BringingSexyBack

  • March 19, 2010, 1:35 p.m. CST

    LaserPants, burn in hell you Racist Punk

    by cylon_conspiracy

    This is 2010. The president is an African American--GET OVER IT! It's not that big of a deal. Get with the times.

  • March 19, 2010, 1:37 p.m. CST

    BringingSexyBack=Intellectual Lightweight

    by cylon_conspiracy

    ... in high school.

  • March 19, 2010, 1:37 p.m. CST

    McGooCain

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    I'm not exactly sure, it's just a thought. So far, the war has cost us (I believe) about 3/4 of a trillion dollars and rising. And despite the Bush Administration's claim that it would pay for itself, this has not happened. Meanwhile, Obama is seeking to put an end to this conflict with pending troop reductions and removals. Yet, this does not mean the overall clusterfuck will just suddenly go away and all will be hunky-dory over there. No. Unfortunately, the American taxpayer will still be paying for this conflagration well beyond Obama's presidency...and maybe several others' as well.<P>I don't know, it's just a feeling, man.

  • March 19, 2010, 1:39 p.m. CST

    I want to know the education level of you guys

    by cylon_conspiracy

    McGooCunt, LikingSexyCrack, Racist Laser... what is the highest level of education you have completed?

  • March 19, 2010, 1:42 p.m. CST

    Racist Glenn Beck Cylon, Your Rant Makes No Sense!

    by LaserPants

    But keep it coming because it's HILARIOUS! <br><br>Again, explain how the moderate, pro-business, pro-capitalist Obama is a socialist? It's the skin color isn't it? Oh, don't worry, Cylon, they'll be a white guy back in office soon enough.

  • March 19, 2010, 1:43 p.m. CST

    LaserPants--You are a racist cocksucker

    by cylon_conspiracy

    Go back to 1860.

  • March 19, 2010, 1:44 p.m. CST

    McGooCain

    by cylon_conspiracy

    Didn't read any of my links? Didn't do your homework assignment? Answer my question. What is the highest level of education you have completed? Have you actually been IN a college?

  • March 19, 2010, 1:45 p.m. CST

    I liked Bruce Bartlett's _New American Economy_ book.

    by cyberskunk

    http://tinyurl.com/yf4qox5 (Amazon link)

  • March 19, 2010, 1:45 p.m. CST

    Fair enough BSB

    by schadenfreudian

    it's just difficult to see anyone reference that expression without immediately thinking about that show. <BR> I apologize for the distraction. Carry on with the political sparring with cylon.

  • March 19, 2010, 1:46 p.m. CST

    OK THANK YOU ROYALE

    by BringingSexyBack

    I hesitated for a moment in using it, but if the phrase fits, gotta wear it.

  • March 19, 2010, 1:46 p.m. CST

    Ramming it down the throats

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    Both houses of congress, freely elected by the public, passed sweeping health care reform. Reconciling the two bills is DC procedure that no one gives a rat's ass about except those that had a problem with the bills that were passed in the first place. Find me ONE person who supported the senate and/or house bill that has a problem with the process of making a palatable combination of both.

  • March 19, 2010, 1:48 p.m. CST

    IF IT HELPS, THINK OF OBAMA AS A WHITE MAN

    by BringingSexyBack

    in black skin.

  • March 19, 2010, 1:48 p.m. CST

    The process is called "The Constitution"

    by cylon_conspiracy

    Robert KKK Byrd himself (liberal) who came up with reconciliation said it was not to be used for stuff like this. EVEN (senator) OBAMA HIMSELF said that reconciliation is not the way to go!

  • March 19, 2010, 1:50 p.m. CST

    Here's Obama speaking out AGAINST reconciliation

    by cylon_conspiracy

    <p>It's called being a hypocrite. He says what he has to but doesn't mean anything. This is why his polls are going DOWN so much.</p> <p>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62zo6Ytkk2g</p>

  • March 19, 2010, 1:50 p.m. CST

    *NOW* THEY BRING UP THE CONSTITUTION

    by BringingSexyBack

    After trampling it for 8 years.

  • March 19, 2010, 1:51 p.m. CST

    But Cylon, You Still Haven't Explained How Obama Is Black!

    by LaserPants

    I mean how he's a "socialist." Cmon, you wickle Glenn Beck Brownshirt! Don't be afraid to be who you are! Embrace your deep-seated racism and own it. At least be man enough to be the asshole you are.

  • March 19, 2010, 1:51 p.m. CST

    BSB , if you knew me as well as you say....

    by DoctorWho?

    ...you'll recall I don't like Republicans. I just hate the left.<p> I've said before...I'm a full blown liberal of the JFK mode. But that doesn't exist any more. I'll lay it out for you. I've said in the past...I view the two parties as the stupid party and the dangerous party. <p> I frequently have to default with the stupid party. I believe them (Repubs) to be woefully inept. Unable to communicate a unified message. Even if they did have a solid message they don't know how to get it across with clarity or to use things like the internet to the degree the Dems do so well. They also piss me off when religion gets too much into their shtick...I despise the combination.<p> I view things from my own value system and for better or worse, they're the only game in town.<p> Conversely the Dems ...actually I mean the modern day lefty's...the statists which today largely comprise the modern day Democratic party...have a blind devotion to the powers of the state to fix all things. This devotion is at the very least equal to the religious nuts out there and more dangerous. Why? Because at the end of the day their belief in the flawed human being (i.e the State) to fix all things, right all wrongs and heal all inequalities is a joke. I'm no church goer but I do believe in something higher and know history all to well to see how it repeats itself over and over and over and over. BUT THIS TIME IT WILL WORK. Bah!<p> This is why I cringe at yours and Chris Matthews and David Axlerod's and millions of others strange, erotic, sycophant like hypnosis of a narcissistic POLITICIAN. Remember, HE WORKS FOR ME AND YOU. We are his and every other politicians BOSS! <p> And you call me a lapdog.

  • March 19, 2010, 1:51 p.m. CST

    BringingSexyBack

    by cylon_conspiracy

    So you haven't gone to college. Got it.

  • March 19, 2010, 1:51 p.m. CST

    HairyNutsack

    by CatoTheCensor

    you are a very stupid stupid man.

  • March 19, 2010, 1:53 p.m. CST

    McGooCain

    by cylon_conspiracy

    So you haven't gone to college. Got it

  • March 19, 2010, 1:53 p.m. CST

    I DON'T KNOW ABOUT Y'ALL BUT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE

    by BringingSexyBack

    a sequel to (500) Days of Summer. Don't get me wrong, I kiss the ground Summer walks on, but I'd love to see how Tom and Autumn turn out. Happily ever after, I hope.

  • March 19, 2010, 1:56 p.m. CST

    cylon_conspiracy

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    I believe Byrd has already said they can use reconciliation and they are currently looking at items that qualify and removing those that do not.<P>And get this: word on the street is that Republicans are now fighting to KEEP the least popular portions of the Senate bill in as an effort to undermine reconciliation for politican purposes later on. Nice, eh.

  • March 19, 2010, 1:57 p.m. CST

    I WOULD LOVE TO SEE

    by Subtitles_Off

    Sarah Palin's head on a Vlad-spike.<P>I'd also like to see Glenn Beck exposed. Why isn't the media talking about he and his cronies' pedophilia ring? I'm just asking the question!

  • March 19, 2010, 1:57 p.m. CST

    That's "political"...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    ...bloody typos.

  • March 19, 2010, 1:57 p.m. CST

    Libearls wish they were like JFK

    by cylon_conspiracy

    <p>That oldschool type of liberalism is considered conservative these days. JFK believed in low taxes and responsible government.</p> <p>The republicans haven't done a good job post Gingrich. That's changing now the, the fact that people are marching in the streets is putting the wind in their sails and the GOP is going through a transformation, and it's only going to get more solid come November.</p> <p>We actually have the will of the people on our side. The liberals have a few well-placed politicians, thwarting the will of the people, and when they get frustrated they just bark "racist!" because they are so preoccupied with race and what separates people.</p> <p>The democrat party is DONE.</p>

  • March 19, 2010, 1:58 p.m. CST

    Reconciliation is not illegal

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    And the point is sweeping healthcare reform ALREADY PASSED IN BOTH HOUSES OF CONGRESS. End of story

  • March 19, 2010, 1:58 p.m. CST

    Mr. Nice Gaius

    by DoctorWho?

    You don't find undermining reconciliation palatable...yet you have no problem with reconciliation itself?

  • March 19, 2010, 1:58 p.m. CST

    Cylon Wishes The President Weren't Black

    by LaserPants

    Aww, poor wickle neocon.

  • March 19, 2010, 2 p.m. CST

    Byrd may have caved

    by cylon_conspiracy

    He had been pretty consistent in recent months, but I'm not surprised he finally gave into pressure and abandoned his principles. That's what liberals do, they talk like a centrist, but when it comes down to crunch time, they vote with the far left. Let's just hope there are still enough liberals in the House who value their jobs, because that's what it's going to come down to.

  • March 19, 2010, 2 p.m. CST

    Actually, I Think Both The REPS and DEMS Are Done

    by LaserPants

    But we'll continue voting for either one anyway as the country slowly sinks into the grave it dug for itself.

  • March 19, 2010, 2 p.m. CST

    I wonder if Sarah Palin scrolls these TB's?

    by DoctorWho?

  • March 19, 2010, 2:01 p.m. CST

    Let me put it this way, in case you don't understand

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    The House is trying to pass the Senate bill. Once that happens it goes into law, once Obama signs it. Immediately after they will pass changes to the Senate bill which the Senate then will approve via reconciliation. ALL that's being done is modifying a bill that passed by 60 votes in the Senate with 51+ votes. It's not threatening the integrity of the Constitution for fucks sake

  • March 19, 2010, 2:02 p.m. CST

    I was Happy Obama won

    by cylon_conspiracy

    For your racist information. I thought it was good for our country that a black person became president. And I actually believed that he was going to be like Clinton, liberal, but a centrist. He ISN'T. I never had a problem with the color of his skin, but you LaserPants are a racist of the highest order. All you see is SKIN COLOR. You are a remnant of an older time and people like you will not be around much longer. You'll either die from old age or from loneliness because you are the type of guy who goes through life IGNORED.

  • March 19, 2010, 2:06 p.m. CST

    Pelosi is trying to pass the senate bill

    by cylon_conspiracy

    <p>The actual people in congress are having visions of being unemployed dancing through their heads. There are some people in the house trying to pass the senate bill. There are many who are scared to death of it.</p> <p>And, the Constitution says that both bills MUST be passed. But they are trying to avoid that, by voting on reconciliation INSTEAD of voting for the actual bill, up or down. They don't have the votes the legit way, so they are trying to cheat instead. And even if it passes, the states will opt out under 10th amendment. And beyond that, it will probably get thrown out by the Supreme Court. A bill MUST be voted on to become law.

  • March 19, 2010, 2:07 p.m. CST

    DoctorWho?

    by BurnHollywood

    "BSB , if you knew me as well as you say you'll recall I don't like Republicans. I just hate the left. I've said before...I'm a full blown liberal of the JFK mode."<p> *Cough* BULLSHIT *cough*<p> Anyone else here ever been in such a poor position in an ideological argument that you were tempted to pose as a discouraged member of your opponent's political persuasion?<p> Yeah, me neither. Shameful, embarrassing tactic.

  • March 19, 2010, 2:09 p.m. CST

    Summer?

    by HoboCode

    I still can't understand what you worship about her BSB. She was a psycho. Wanted to punch that bitch in the face by movie's end. Fine. She doesn't like Tom. Fair enough. But then she keeps sending mixed signals even after they break up and she's ENGAGED. WTF?

  • March 19, 2010, 2:09 p.m. CST

    Thunderbolt Ross

    by cylon_conspiracy

    Just to be clear, you are under the assumption that the House is going to vote on the Senate Bill. That is NOT how this is going down. The reconciliation scenario you are laying out is NOT what is happening. That's how it WAS going to be, but once the liberals realized they couldn't even get the House to vote on the bill to begin with, they were going to cheat instead. The game has changed. You are about a month behind with what's going on.

  • March 19, 2010, 2:09 p.m. CST

    I think Doc Who done got Burnt up

    by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes

    I see some still smoldering ash over there

  • March 19, 2010, 2:10 p.m. CST

    Zooey sucks

    by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes

    She really does

  • March 19, 2010, 2:10 p.m. CST

    DoctorWho?

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Not really. If it's an avenue that can be used to bring the best portions of an overall bill together, then I think it's perfectly reasonable for it to be explored.<P>What I do have a problem with is our country going to war without a formal Declaration of War by our Congress. Whatever happened to that rule of the Constitution? Curious.

  • March 19, 2010, 2:12 p.m. CST

    WRONG

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    Your reading comprehension sucks. I already said the House is passing the Senate Bill. Then the House will pass a bill of amendments to the Senate bill, which the Senate will pass via reconciliation. BOTH HOUSES WILL PASS THE SENATE BILL VIA A MAJORITY VOTE. That's the plan at any rate.

  • March 19, 2010, 2:14 p.m. CST

    Good points Thuderbolt

    by DoctorWho?

    But the Constitution of the United States mandates that “Every Bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it becomes a Law, be presented to the President of the United States. . . . All of the changes (i.e all of the shit that no one knows about nor has been debated) will be thrown in after the fact...most of which is profoundly against the will of the voters. Funny how this is all playing out WHEN THE DEMS HAVE A FULL MAJORITY now isn't it?<p> There is a law which says (1) a bill containing its exact text was approved by a majority of the Members of the House of Representatives; (2) the Senate approved precisely the same text; and (3) that text was signed into law by the President.” Clinton v. City of New York, 524 U.S. 417, 448 (1998). <p> Fucking Lawyers all ready salivating to attack this thing.<p> Now is it just me...or is this thing beyond fucked up?

  • March 19, 2010, 2:15 p.m. CST

    Yeah, but its still bullshit. They are afraid

    by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes

    It was elephant shit when the Repubs did it it is donkey shit when the dems do it.

  • March 19, 2010, 2:16 p.m. CST

    cylon_conspiracy

    by BurnHollywood

    "And, the Constitution says that both bills MUST be passed. But they are trying to avoid that, by voting on reconciliation INSTEAD of voting for the actual bill, up or down. They don't have the votes the legit way, so they are trying to cheat instead. And even if it passes, the states will opt out under 10th amendment. And beyond that, it will probably get thrown out by the Supreme Court. A bill MUST be voted on to become law."<p> With all due respect, this sounds like one of those amateur-hour legal interpretations that, in other circumstances, has tinfoil hat-wearers convinced that Obama was born in Kenya...

  • March 19, 2010, 2:17 p.m. CST

    I CAN UNDERSTAND THE ANIMOSITY TOWARDS SUMMER

    by BringingSexyBack

    There were 500 days, of which we saw only a handful intimately. Don't forget, we mostly view the relationship through Tom's eyes. Tom is not perfect. Could Summer have handled things better? I think she tried as best she could. Do I think she genuinely cared about Tom, perhaps loved him as a friend? Would she have gone to Angela's Plaza if she didn't? <P> But the truth and the result is ... she made him a better man. She made him rediscover his passion and calling. And she led him to Autumn. Sounds like an angel from heaven if you ask me.

  • March 19, 2010, 2:17 p.m. CST

    Wow Burnhollywood.

    by DoctorWho?

    Thanks for clarifying for me what's in MY OWN head. I feel much better now that you set me straight.<p> pfft.

  • March 19, 2010, 2:22 p.m. CST

    425th!!!! count 'em bitches!

    by Simpsonian

  • March 19, 2010, 2:24 p.m. CST

    HOBO - I DON'T THINK IT WAS MIXED SIGNALS

    by BringingSexyBack

    I think Summer wanted Tom as a friend. Tom interpreted things differently. That's how life goes in relationships. But the most important thing is his life turned out for the better and he didn't shoot up the office.

  • March 19, 2010, 2:24 p.m. CST

    HAVE A GOOD WEEKEND TALKFELLAS

    by BringingSexyBack

    Imma outta heah.

  • March 19, 2010, 2:25 p.m. CST

    Pelosi is working with the illuminati to hide information...

    by anonymoose

    ...about D.C. UFO sightings in recent years. I wouldn't doubt that she's also a reptilian. Just look at her serpent eyes and lizard neck! <P> Palin has my undying support. She's an intelligent super heroine when it comes to taking down the bad guys like Pelosi. I would vote for her if she tried for Presidency, not that she would get elected. Damn illuminati! <P> I hope Alaska secedes from the United States, just like she wanted. Then they could run a truly free Democracy, away from the mind controlled masses. Yes, mind control. If you don't think the illuminati is controlling everything, from elections to celebrity scandals to what's advertised on television, then you're mistaken! <P> Palin should get her TV show, but they won't allow it on Fox News because they're evidently controlled too. Nothing is safe. Even if she gets her show, it will be censored by those elitist control freaks. Alaska will be presented as a nice, safe state, when it's really under attack from the aliens in their craft. They've been repopulating the Alaskan wilderness with animals that they've cloned from the dead ones that Palin killed. Horrendous, I say! Palin killed them for food and clothing! They should stay dead! It goes against God and all that is righteous and Holy.

  • March 19, 2010, 2:25 p.m. CST

    Yeah Mr. Nice Gaius...kinda sucks doesn't it.

    by DoctorWho?

    Yet why why did congress go along with it and asked merely to be "consulted"?

  • March 19, 2010, 2:28 p.m. CST

    The most important thing said in this *entire* thread...

    by Damned if I can login

    ...is the fact that ANYONE who gets elected is beholden to *someone* (or something)...and it ain't the "constituents".<p>And now that the supreme court idiots opened the flood gates for unlimited donations from deep-pocketed whatevers it'll only get worse. Exponentially.

  • March 19, 2010, 2:30 p.m. CST

    DoctorWho?

    by BurnHollywood

    You offered up the clarification yourself...you don't sound anything like any "liberal" I've encountered in person or print, "JFK" or otherwise...<p> I don't know if you'd call it "blind devotion" to state power, but Kennedy made it pretty plain where he stood on Federal authority when he ordered Marshals to face down George Wallace at the University of Alabama...

  • March 19, 2010, 2:33 p.m. CST

    Made him a better man?

    by HoboCode

    Make me puke. Ever since that horseshit Jerry Maguire came out, all movie love stories are about women making men complete or better in some way. Now they're doing it through breakups? Hollywood, and women through these nefarious man-hating fantasies, are slowly rotting away the male ego into a dribbling pool of self-hatred. Tom's life was fine before he met Summer.

  • March 19, 2010, 2:34 p.m. CST

    Moose knows the truth!

    by ebonic_plague

    Thank god Alaska has HAARP for their psychic defense dome against the lupus-skinned reptile zeta-reticulians. But I've already said too much...

  • March 19, 2010, 2:38 p.m. CST

    I bet she quits mid-way through the season.

    by ColonelFatheart

    She's too good for TV, really. Her calling is a higher one.

  • March 19, 2010, 2:40 p.m. CST

    Hi Smooches!

    by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes

    You know I cant resist those big ol moose eyes of yours!<p> Marty Feldman is the secret leader of the Illuminati. They faked his death so he could work in the background. True story.

  • March 19, 2010, 2:40 p.m. CST

    "Climate change" is a lie. God is just trying to maka Alaska...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...nice and warm for the Chosen Ones.

  • March 19, 2010, 2:41 p.m. CST

    DoctorWho?

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    It beats me. The Iraq War has become the most foolish, reckless, and embarrassing action this country has ever undertaken and, I fear, there will be no accounting for it.

  • March 19, 2010, 2:42 p.m. CST

    ebonic_plague

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Damn it, man! Speak not of what you know!

  • March 19, 2010, 2:42 p.m. CST

    I know for a fact...

    by anonymoose

    ...that Jerry Maguire was intended to brainwash men into thinking that they need to settle down to become complete. Cameron Crowe was in secret talks at the White House, revealed by a W.H. aide on a truth website, to do such a thing.

  • March 19, 2010, 2:43 p.m. CST

    JESUS WUS A SEKRIT JEW!!1!11!!

    by ColonelFatheart

  • March 19, 2010, 2:44 p.m. CST

    CHRISTYANNITY IZ A ZYONISTT PLOT!!11!!!

    by ColonelFatheart

  • March 19, 2010, 2:44 p.m. CST

    Cylon Conspiracy, I have to laugh at you...

    by D.Vader

    When you keep demanding that pple tell their highest level of education, as if that really matters, as if pple can't learn on their own, as if anonymous talkbackers will tell the truth on the Internet.

  • March 19, 2010, 2:46 p.m. CST

    Marty Feldman Rules is the leader of the Illuminati

    by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes

    Nothing else makes sense.

  • March 19, 2010, 2:47 p.m. CST

    Haters Gonna Hate

    by DangerDave

    I want this TB to explode.

  • March 19, 2010, 2:47 p.m. CST

    PALIN IZ THA TRU DAWDER OF GOD!!!111!

    by ColonelFatheart

  • March 19, 2010, 2:49 p.m. CST

    Yes, I see your point.

    by anonymoose

    The eyes gave it away, I suppose.

  • March 19, 2010, 2:49 p.m. CST

    Col Fatheart for the Red Skull

    by DangerDave

  • March 19, 2010, 2:52 p.m. CST

    TRIGG PALIN WULL LEDE US 2 THA PRAMUSSED LAND!!!1!

    by ColonelFatheart

  • March 19, 2010, 2:53 p.m. CST

    It's always the eyes smooches

    by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes

    And you have those big ol black limpid pools of Moose eyes! You and Marty!

  • March 19, 2010, 2:56 p.m. CST

    DoctorWho?

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    Your point is moot because there is NO-ONE who was FOR the bills WITHOUT the changes that is AGAINST the changes. And you are also incorrect. The amendments to be made to the Senate bill are posted and available to anyone, and will be as the process moves forward. <p>As for that bill you reference, I don't see what that has to do with anything. The secondary bill here, (which is far, far less important than the primary one) WILL be passed by a MAJORITY and signed into law by the President.

  • March 19, 2010, 2:57 p.m. CST

    ENTELLUGUNCE IZ FUR SOSHALLISTSS!!!1!

    by ColonelFatheart

  • March 19, 2010, 2:57 p.m. CST

    McGooo

    by DangerDave

    Sorry I was working and just seen your posting..... <P> 2000 I was deployed and didn't vote. <P> 2004 Kerry <P> 2008 Obama <P> I would change your penis size also, but that I don't care.

  • March 19, 2010, 2:59 p.m. CST

    Challenge*

    by DangerDave

    your penis size....I can't change it....at least not on an out patience bases.

  • March 19, 2010, 3:02 p.m. CST

    ROHM IMANYUL DID 9/11 !!!11!!!1!

    by ColonelFatheart

  • March 19, 2010, 3:02 p.m. CST

    BurnHollywood

    by DoctorWho?

    Dude...damn straight he sent the Marshals in. That shit was a powder keg and they had to keep the peace. That's what they're there for. <p> You know, not wanting an ever-more powerful state doesn't mean gutting it of any civil defense. Nor does wanting smaller more efficient government mean NO government and NO taxes. <p> It's called moderation.<p> What I mean when I mention JFK is he had the best traits of a CLASSIC liberal... advocated lower taxation and a muscular military and promoting liberty.

  • March 19, 2010, 3:06 p.m. CST

    PALIN WENT 2 12 COLLIDGES! SHE HAZ 2 B SMRT!!1!

    by ColonelFatheart

  • March 19, 2010, 3:08 p.m. CST

    When will the Reptublicans stop with their fear mongering

    by Stabby

    Conservatives are cold blooded reptiles and liberals are warm blooded mammals.

  • March 19, 2010, 3:10 p.m. CST

    God...enough....

    by HapaPapa72

    Like Sarah Connor's wise, gum-cracking co-worker once told her, "In a hundred years, who's gonna care?"

  • March 19, 2010, 3:10 p.m. CST

    It's survival of the fittest

    by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes

    If some dumb ass mammal can't out run a reptile it deserves to be eaten

  • March 19, 2010, 3:14 p.m. CST

    JEZUS WUZ A MAMMEL! FALSS PROFET!1!!

    by ColonelFatheart

  • March 19, 2010, 3:15 p.m. CST

    SARAH SPRUNGG FRUM GODS LOYNZ!!!1!1

    by ColonelFatheart

  • March 19, 2010, 3:16 p.m. CST

    Look, we ALL have our collective heads up our asses

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    Modern day Dems wish they were more like FDR, modern day Republicans more like Eisenhower. One warned us of a system where our own people would be treated as second class citizens, the other of the industrial military complex.<p>There are a handful of Republican and Democratic politicians I respect, but for the most part they are all corrupt, and sadly, it's a legal corruption.<p>To say I'm the boss of my state representatives is a joke. I have written and called and expressed my dissatisfaction with their voting AND attendance records and nothing has changed. In the real world, a boss can fire you at any time. With politicians, you have to wait until the next voting cycle, so anywhere from 2-6 years.<p>I don't care what anyone says, we either need a three party system (one that can gain traction, unlike the Greens and Libertarians) or just sit back and allow both parties to destroy the country to the point none of us has anything to lose and we take to the streets with pitchforks.<p>BSB, trust me, it doesn't work out for Tom and Autumn. It didn't work out for Latte Girl and I and it doesn't work out for most of us, especially the hopeless romantics.

  • March 19, 2010, 3:19 p.m. CST

    IZENHAWER WUZ KING OF THE LIZURD PEEPEL!!!1!

    by ColonelFatheart

    HE IZ NO TRU REPUBLICKEN!1

  • March 19, 2010, 3:20 p.m. CST

    Libertarians are wishy washy. Greens are nuts

    by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes

    At least with Dems and Repubs we know what we are gonna get whether we like it or not. Put a Libber in there and who the fuck knows how they will vote on anything. I think they just flip a damn coin. The Greens just want us all to die and leave the earth to the roaches.

  • March 19, 2010, 3:21 p.m. CST

    The Sooner...

    by mrbouncy

    The sooner you filthy American pig dogs accept communism and allah the happier you will all be <p> Viva Castro

  • March 19, 2010, 3:22 p.m. CST

    Sarah Palin is to conservatives

    by Dapper Swindler

    What Tyra Banks is to women. Get it?

  • March 19, 2010, 3:22 p.m. CST

    LEGULIZE BAZOOKAHS!!1!

    by ColonelFatheart

    SO WEE KAN KILLL ULEGAL ALYENS FRUM HELLICOPPTERRS!1!!

  • March 19, 2010, 3:28 p.m. CST

    HERC your so naïve

    by rhine1784

    If you think Obama is the reason your 401K has gone back up I'm glad you blog on a fanboy website rather than manage someones portfolio. As far as healthcare across Europe, it's not free. Look at what all those countries pay in taxes vs. what we pay. I work closely with Canadians and everyone I talk to says their healthcare system is a major pain in the butt. Healthcare system definitely needs a reform but not in the sense of giving everyone in the country "free" healthcare. It's not a right it's a priviledge. If our govt is going to guarantee health bennies, how about free food, free transportation, or free clothing? Socialistic programs do not work, as much as you'd like to think they do. Ask the Russians, Cubans, North Koreans, and Vietnamese how that's working out for them.

  • March 19, 2010, 3:28 p.m. CST

    HERC youre so naïve

    by rhine1784

    If you think Obama is the reason your 401K has gone back up I'm glad you blog on a fanboy website rather than manage someones portfolio. As far as healthcare across Europe, it's not free. Look at what all those countries pay in taxes vs. what we pay. I work closely with Canadians and everyone I talk to says their healthcare system is a major pain in the butt. Healthcare system definitely needs a reform but not in the sense of giving everyone in the country "free" healthcare. It's not a right it's a priviledge. If our govt is going to guarantee health bennies, how about free food, free transportation, or free clothing? Socialistic programs do not work, as much as you'd like to think they do. Ask the Russians, Cubans, North Koreans, and Vietnamese how that's working out for them.

  • March 19, 2010, 3:30 p.m. CST

    cylon, Obama has a white mother

    by SithMenace

    Do you like him better now? Lol.

  • March 19, 2010, 3:31 p.m. CST

    So pretty much "The Palins'"?

    by REVENGE_of_FETT

    Like The Osbournes, but with a moose-shootin dipfuck at the helm? Shit, I'd actually watch that!</p><p>Leave it to Sarah to star in a fucking reality show then accuse the media of turning her into a joke!

  • March 19, 2010, 3:37 p.m. CST

    TRIGG IZ A BLESSID CHILDE UV GOD!!1!!

    by ColonelFatheart

  • March 19, 2010, 3:41 p.m. CST

    Hey McGooCain. Tell me how my ass tastes

    by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes

    Then swing on my nuts

  • March 19, 2010, 3:42 p.m. CST

    Thunderbolt Ross

    by cylon_conspiracy

    I understand just fine, you just are uniformed. The House is NOT trying to pass the Senate bill. That is OVER. They do not have the votes for the Senate bill. What they are doing is voting for other bills and amendments, all at once, that make it seem like the Senate Bill was passed by the House before hand. This way congress can say "no I didn't vote for the Senate Bill, I voted for that OTHER STUFF". It's ridiculous, and no one is falling for it.

  • March 19, 2010, 3:43 p.m. CST

    SithMenace=racist

    by cylon_conspiracy

    Take that racist shit back to the deep south.

  • March 19, 2010, 3:45 p.m. CST

    Nice try cylon

    by SithMenace

    But no one listens to you anyway. Lol.

  • March 19, 2010, 3:45 p.m. CST

    I gave it my best shot, Sith.

    by ColonelFatheart

    Oh well.

  • March 19, 2010, 3:46 p.m. CST

    D.Vader

    by cylon_conspiracy

    You are really not the brightest bulb my friend. I already explained what I was doing. Liberals put the utmost importance on someone's educational level, and the amount of books they read. That's all I hear, republicans are ignorant, uneducated. Like I said before, I am meeting you guys on YOUR terms. I assume those who say Palin is stupid and uneducated at the very least have FUCKING COLLEGE DEGREES. I seriously was not expecting that not a single one of these dumbass liberals were not college-educated. That really worries me.

  • March 19, 2010, 3:46 p.m. CST

    Oh, I thought you wrote "colon" instead of "cylon"

    by ColonelFatheart

    Damn my eyes!

  • March 19, 2010, 3:47 p.m. CST

    I have a college degree, and I say Palin is an idiot.

    by ColonelFatheart

  • March 19, 2010, 3:47 p.m. CST

    But no one listens to you anyway. Lol.

    by cylon_conspiracy

    Says the man who read my post and responded to it. Nice swipe at Obama for not being "fully black" BTW. You are really an evolved, 21st Century Being. Let me guess, redneck who usually votes democrat? Am I close?

  • March 19, 2010, 3:51 p.m. CST

    I dunno, ColonelFatheart

    by cylon_conspiracy

    <p>D.Vader made a good point that people might lie about that sort of thing. I hadn't really considered that but I can't be sure you really have a degree. People with college educations usually have an ability to present their points, "Palin is an idiot" isn't exactly a point, more like a mental fart.</p>

  • March 19, 2010, 3:51 p.m. CST

    It is an objective truth.

    by ColonelFatheart

  • March 19, 2010, 3:54 p.m. CST

    DAT GOERGE BUsH GONNA REINSTATI

    by Darth_Inedible

    Seriously if you're gonna be pro-Obama at this point there's just no other option than full on crazy-eyed, nothing-can-convince-me-otherwise support. To let even a fraction of doubt in at a time when they're about to push through legislation that will permanently alter our country forever despite a majority in opposition.

  • March 19, 2010, 3:56 p.m. CST

    Palin

    by schadenfreudian

  • March 19, 2010, 3:56 p.m. CST

    rhine1784

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    You're half right. I lived in Canada for 18 years and I slowly watched the health care system go down the crapper. As soon as Brian Mulroney came into power, health care took a steady dive as his government dismantled the system. So, socialized medicine CAN work, but unfortunately it's at the mercy of whoever is in power. More times than not, like everything else, it's a system that becomes corrupted.<p>And yes, taxes are insane. Canadians are taxed out the ass. But, if you work at Wal-Mart and are diagnosed with cancer, you're completely taken care of. Likewise, women are entitled to 6 months off after giving birth which beats the pants off the 6 weeks we have here.<p>And despite ludicrous taxes in Europe, most people have 6 weeks paid vacation. So it's a trade off. And frankly, I'd be willing for my taxes to go up 5-10% if it meant I got an extra 4 weeks off every year.<p>And I do believe health care should be a right. It is in a country's best interest to insure all of it's citizens are as healthy as humanely possible. A healthy nation is a prosperous nation.<p>Of course, this means we also need to stop subsidizing the corn and junk food industries. Physically and mentally we're such an unhealthy culture.

  • March 19, 2010, 3:57 p.m. CST

    Palin's an idiot, all right...

    by schadenfreudian

    observes this college graduate.

  • March 19, 2010, 3:58 p.m. CST

    Think I figured out why you Liberals are Racist

    by cylon_conspiracy

    <p>I live in Los Angeles, so I've grown up in a "multicultural" environment, which is why Obama being black is not that big of a deal to me. It's like "cool, black president. Now what?"</p> <p>But I think some of you guys must be from heavy white populations and aren't that used to black people. That would explain that whenever you see Obama, you don't think "That's the President", you think "Black Man!" It's so foreign to your experience to see someone of color that you just can't get it out of your mind.</p> <p>Well, guys, it's 2010. Black people are human, just like you. They are not little children you have to hold hands with when they walk across the street. Obama is a big boy, he wanted the job, he criticized Bush as a senator, he knew that people would disagree with his policies. He doesn't need your "soft bigotry of low expectations."</p> <p>American Mythos, LaserPants, SithMenace--I would suggest you guys move to more diverse areas so you can get out of your "everyone I know is white" type of life. It's a big world out there, lots of different types of people.</p>

  • March 19, 2010, 3:59 p.m. CST

    cylon_conspiracy

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    I have no problem with someone being uneducated. Who cares if a person went to college or graduated high school even. But ignorant? There's no excuse for that in our information age.

  • March 19, 2010, 3:59 p.m. CST

    Battle_Royale_with_cheese

    by cylon_conspiracy

    Way to stand out from the crowd. "Palin is an idiot, all right." Please tell me the school papers you turned in were better argued than that.

  • March 19, 2010, 4:02 p.m. CST

    McGooCain

    by rhine1784

    Go crawl out of your parents basement and have them bake you some pizza bagel bites.

  • March 19, 2010, 4:03 p.m. CST

    Hawaiian Organ Donor

    by cylon_conspiracy

    <p>If only liberals agreed with you. Personally, I think to put that much importance on college is like the class system that we tried so hard to do away with. But, liberals treat their educations like a title of nobility, so I have to use words they can understand.</p> <p>Good point about being ignorant when the world's knowledge is at your fingertips. But again, I'm talking about liberals here, and they've never let facts get in the way of their totalitarian/utopian fantasies. What can ya' do. </p>

  • March 19, 2010, 4:06 p.m. CST

    The Misinformed Tea Party Movement...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    ...courtesy of Forbes (no less):<P> http://tinyurl.com/yd84ql2

  • March 19, 2010, 4:06 p.m. CST

    Cylon

    by schadenfreudian

    My papers were argued much better than that because in college, I was working toward something: to wit, a degree. Here, on a fucking internet talkback where you have admitted nothing is ever solved or resolved, I don't feel the need to post a 12 page dissertation convincing an anonymous bunch of nerds why Sarah Palin is an idiot. <BR> For the exact same reasons, I'm not gonna do a 12 page dissertation on why Obama's been a disappointment, why Biden is a goofball, or why Glenn Beck should be isolated and studied.

  • March 19, 2010, 4:09 p.m. CST

    ColonelFatheart Makes fun of Downs Syndrome

    by cylon_conspiracy

    Children. There is a special place in hell for people like you.

  • March 19, 2010, 4:11 p.m. CST

    cylon

    by SithMenace

    You're such an idiot. Everyone is laughing at you for trying to project your racism on to the people that called you out. Lol, it's really ashame rednecks like you get to vote.

  • March 19, 2010, 4:12 p.m. CST

    Battle_Royale_with_cheese

    by cylon_conspiracy

    12 page dissertation sounds a bit extreme. But come on man, more than just a few words! Jesus. You sure don't sound college educated to me, at least not the way you talk. Yeah, it's a talkback, I'll concede you that point, it's not life and death. But you going around calling someone an idiot assumes that we don't perceive YOU as an idiot. And you're kind of coming off as an idiot to me, my friend. But a nice guy too.

  • March 19, 2010, 4:13 p.m. CST

    SithMenace=racist

    by cylon_conspiracy

    I haven't said shit about Obama's skin color because, and read this: I DON'T GIVE A SHIT WHAT COLOR HE IS. That's all you guys. So answer my question, are you from a predominantly white area? I'm from L.A. I'm used to black people. You, obviously, are not since you treat them like they are novelty items at a gift shop.

  • March 19, 2010, 4:18 p.m. CST

    cylon_conspiracy=racist

    by SithMenace

    cylon says "I'm used to black people". Really cylon, so there's an adjustment period? Wow, you're one of the most racist bastards I've ever seen on this site.

  • March 19, 2010, 4:18 p.m. CST

    Yeah, that post by cylon at 03:58:07 PM...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    ...is a real groaner. I mean, the bizarre level to which these people will sink with their seemingly random assumptions is truly baffling.

  • March 19, 2010, 4:20 p.m. CST

    RE: "I'm used to black people."

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Ha! Yeah. You get the feeling he doth protest too much?

  • March 19, 2010, 4:22 p.m. CST

    MNG

    by SithMenace

    What an insensitive, racially motivated thing for cylon to say. Unbelievable.

  • March 19, 2010, 4:24 p.m. CST

    Discovery or A&E?

    by Triple_J_72

    Good, then nobody will notice that it's on. *RIMSHOT!* Thank you...

  • March 19, 2010, 4:25 p.m. CST

    SithMenace won't admit he's from a white only

    by cylon_conspiracy

    <p>area. How many times I have to ask you man? You guys keep bringing up the fact that Obama is black, and call ME a racist. Do you see how backwards you have it? Let me tell you something, little guy, when I'm talking about how I believe in small government, and you interrupt me to say "Obama is black!" then it's pretty clear that YOU are the one preoccupied with race. Why are you so preoccupied with race? Whatever happened to MLK talking about judging the contents of someone's CHARACTER???? No, we can't discuss someone's character, because we're too busy pointing out the color of their SKIN!!</p> <p>Shit man, you and your racist liberal buddies think you are "defending OBama" because of his color, but all you're doing is pointing a finger saying "black man! Black man!"</p> <p>Tell me something TuffStuff, if you keep pointing out how different people are from you, how the fuck is this country going to get to the point that we are all AMERICANS, all EQUAL not because of the way we LOOK but because of where we LIVE??? You liberals love to divide people. "Blacks over there. Women over there. Gays over there. Hispanics over there." Fuck dude, this is AMERICA. Get over yourself---it's fucking 2010.</p> <p>Let me guess, you don't like Palin because you are a sexist? Is that it?</p>

  • March 19, 2010, 4:26 p.m. CST

    SithMenace=sexist

    by cylon_conspiracy

    A woman wanted to run for president but he told her she had to make him dinner and rub his feet instead.

  • March 19, 2010, 4:28 p.m. CST

    It Just Doesn't matter

    by schadenfreudian

    I could post the most intricately argued position this site has ever seen; an argument that would make Thomas Jefferson look like a janitor, or Clarence Darrow look like Rusty the Bailiff. But it just doesn't matter. You seem to have made up your mind that I'm an idiot either way, so why should I bother? <B> I mean, sure, I could go down a rabbit hole and engage in name calling, accusing people of looking at gay porn, etc and say that's the only level of discourse they seems to understand, but what would the point be? Would I really change anyone's mind about Palin? I'm guessing probably not. <BR> So go ahead and claim this as a victory. But bear in mind, you'll be claiming a victory against someone you consider to be an idiot which, to me, at least, is a bit like beating someone confined to a wheelchair in a fistfight. <BR> But what do I know? I'm just an idiot.

  • March 19, 2010, 4:30 p.m. CST

    McGoooooo

    by DangerDave

    Where are you? I want to you spit some venom at me.

  • March 19, 2010, 4:30 p.m. CST

    Regardless of where I'm from cylon

    by SithMenace

    I never had to "get used" to black people, I just accept them as human beings. Racist turd.

  • March 19, 2010, 4:30 p.m. CST

    Mr. Nice Gaius--do you actually KNOW any black people?

    by cylon_conspiracy

    Have you ever been friends, worked with, dated (probably not dated this AICN) an African American? EVER? I point out that I live in Los Angeles because anyone who actually has been here knows how multicultural it really is. Your BS that people who are libertarian like myself, who believe in small government, is racist is a fucking joke. It's not JUST Obama. Pelosi, Reid, all those fuckers in Washington trying to shove this healthcare through, are all the SAME COLOR: RED. I hate them all equally because I disagree with what they are doing in Washington. Meanwhile, you guys walk around reminding anyone that will listen that Obama is black. It's been a year, guys. Get over it. Yes, he's black. So what.

  • March 19, 2010, 4:31 p.m. CST

    Cylon

    by DangerDave

    really....go fuck yourself.

  • March 19, 2010, 4:32 p.m. CST

    SithMenace=racist hick

    by cylon_conspiracy

    <p>Just for your information, you are the racist here and it's obvious to anyone reading. You just calling me a racist doesn't mean anything because it's not true. You, however, pointing out all the time that Obama is black, well... let's just say you aren't colorblind. Or very smart, for that matter.</p> <p>You don't accept them as human beings because you have never MET ONE!!! It's like saying, are you used to girls? Probably not. Are you used to getting pussy? Probably not. See what I mean?

  • March 19, 2010, 4:32 p.m. CST

    DangerDave

    by cylon_conspiracy

    After I double team your mom and your sister.

  • March 19, 2010, 4:33 p.m. CST

    Cylon, you're now accusing people of racism

    by American Mythos

    You said I accused you of racism, which is the reason you said "Wha! I dunt whunna talk with ya no mer!" Now you're accusing people of racism. And how come when someone above asked you to define socialism, using your understanding of it and not resorting to google links -- you resorted to google links! Face it, you don't understand it. BTW, I'm 1/4 Native American, with a full blooded Aleut grandma (rest her soul), three black nephews, a cousin with a black girlfriend (and 4 black children to boot). I'm around black people everyday, while you only see 'em on the fucking television. And trust me, I lived in Los Angeles for a summer. It might be diverse like you said, but everybody is afraid of each other and steers clear of each other there, so don't act like it's some hotbed of handholding racial diversity. Most people in LA are too paranoid and anti-social. PS, my ex-girlfriend is Chicana, does that count? Next time you accuse people of being insulated by white acquaintances/relationships, look at yourself. You're the most insulated person in this TB.

  • March 19, 2010, 4:36 p.m. CST

    cylon says I "never met one"

    by SithMenace

    So do you go around calling them "You people" also? You're just digging yourself deeper you uneducated bigot.

  • March 19, 2010, 4:37 p.m. CST

    *slaps knee is mocking laughter*

    by DangerDave

    go fuck yourself is a greater possibility. <P> The racist here is YOU. You have been throwing it up for a while and people get tired of baseless-ly being called a racist, because you got the radar for it. <P> So what if you have black friends, want a cookie....noone else in America does? So....*mocking shock* you had sex with a black girl...OMG....here is your sex throphy. Lets just hope it was a girl.

  • March 19, 2010, 4:38 p.m. CST

    Right on mythos

    by SithMenace

  • March 19, 2010, 4:41 p.m. CST

    American Mythos

    by cylon_conspiracy

    You started the racist shit. I am simply turning back your words on you guys. That's the whole fucking point. You guys call people racists like it's an objective fact, yet when it's turned around on you it's like "wait a minute! I am not!!" well, fuck you. If you can't take it, don't dish it out.</p> <p>Socialism is the government running every aspect of your life, starting with your wallet. It leads to things like Nazi Germany (Remember, the Nazis were the SOCIALIST party), and every other totalitarian system in history. The words "socialst, communist, fascist" really are the same thing because they all come down to the government controlling the people.</p> <p>And no, I don't only see them on TV, you fucking queer. Jesus christ, at least read my posts.</p> <p>If you really profess to care about black people, let me give you some advice. Quit pointing out the color of their skin! You focus on the perceived racism (which I disproved thoroughly) of the Tea Party... why? WHY are you so obsessed with racists? Why are you so interested in what ignorant people think about blacks? Why do you spend so much fucking time thinking about the difference between the races?

  • March 19, 2010, 4:43 p.m. CST

    DangerDave

    by cylon_conspiracy

    Lol at danger dave. So you don't have an attractive mom or sister, fair enough. Probably as ugly as you. Tell you what if you ever get a girlfriend, let me know. I'll fuck her instead. Seeing as you're a racist, I know she'll be a white chick, but whatever.

  • March 19, 2010, 4:44 p.m. CST

    Duuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

    by schadenfreudian

    (just checking back in)

  • March 19, 2010, 4:48 p.m. CST

    People who can't get over the fact we have a Black President

    by cylon_conspiracy

    <p>American Mythos</p> <p>SithMenace</p> <p>LaserPants</p> <p>MrMagoo</p> <p>Danger Dave</p> <p>MrNiceGaius(wishes he was as cool as Baltar)</p> <p>and others.</p>

  • March 19, 2010, 4:48 p.m. CST

    cylon_conspiracy

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    I live in the Washington DC, metropolitan area which has a huge multi-ethnic/multi-cultural population. It just so happens that I work for a global non-profit where I work side-by-side with many African-Americans as well as folks from Nigeria, Tanzania, South Africa, Botswana, Guyana, and Haiti. And I've never dated a black person but I'm certainly not opposed to it.<P>Now, other than looking like a complete and total fool, what exactly is your point?

  • March 19, 2010, 4:49 p.m. CST

    People who hate Palin because she is a Woman:

    by cylon_conspiracy

    <p>American Mythos</p> <p>SithMenace</p> <p>LaserPants</p> <p>MrMagoo</p> <p>Danger Dave</p> <p>MrNiceGaius(wishes he was as cool as Baltar)</p> <p>and others.</p>

  • March 19, 2010, 4:52 p.m. CST

    Cylon, you know America is a Capitalist-Socialist hybrid, right?

    by American Mythos

    We have a free market, but we have public schools, welfare, Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security, and soon the health care reform bill, which has some of the hugest government subsidies for poor people in the history of this country. Face it, you live in a capitalist-socialist hybrid, and the bald faced irony of all your whining is that it was the capitalist part that collapsed in 2008.

  • March 19, 2010, 4:52 p.m. CST

    Mr. Nice Gaius--BS

    by cylon_conspiracy

    <p>Nice believable story about D.C. I really buy that. Why, you're practically black yourself? Weren't you the one criticizing me earlier for saying I was "used to" black people because I'm from L.A.? WTF is that you just did there? "Here is a list of all the countries that have a lot of black people in them, let me pretend I actually know these individuals and that I'm not a fucking white supremicist klan member".</p>

  • March 19, 2010, 4:55 p.m. CST

    Palin was my governor

    by American Mythos

    I even attended her 2006 inauguration and shook her hand, while you've only jerked off to photos of her. Palin left office mid-term without accomplishing anything for this state. She now has some of the lowest approval ratings in Alaska, even among Republicans. It's only the tea partiers idiotic enough to eat her bullshit by the shovel fulls. Enjoy the taste.

  • March 19, 2010, 4:56 p.m. CST

    cylon_conspiracy

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Two words I've not posted in this Talkback are "black" and "hate". You're flailing kid and your ignorance is steadily rising to the surface.<P>Please consider what you post from here on out because I love it when a Talbacker loses his shit and has a full-on meltdown.<P>(Talkbacks are funny that way - you can always bookmark them to make fun of people later!)

  • March 19, 2010, 4:56 p.m. CST

    American Mythos

    by cylon_conspiracy

    I told you this once before: I am not going to address you on the merits of your argument as long as my opinions are considered racist in nature. If you could consider that my views might actually be based in principle, and have absolutely fucking nothing to do with the very positive fact that we finally have a black president (which I as supposedly against simply because I don't support his policies) then we might be able to talk. But I'm not going to hold my breath. You can't have it both ways. I'll talk to you about how our government works and I know eventually, you'll make it about race. Not worth my time.</p>

  • March 19, 2010, 4:57 p.m. CST

    cylon_conspiracy

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    I think you're the one that's "uniformed". Also living in LA does not mean you're in the midst of the ol' melting pot.

  • March 19, 2010, 4:58 p.m. CST

    cylon_conspiracy

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Quote: "Nice believable story about D.C."<P>Uh...ok. Nice unbelievable story about Los Angeles, dickface. Seriously!<P>What is this, I know you are but what am I???

  • March 19, 2010, 4:59 p.m. CST

    How am I flailing?

    by cylon_conspiracy

    I'm doing what you guys do, calling you racist based on no other evidence than because I want it to be true. You guys point out that Obama is black, therefore YOU ARE RACISTS, in my mind. That's what you're doing to me, I don't support Obama's policies, therefore I MUST be a racist, in your mind.</p> <p>Seems to me I'm keeping things on an even playing field, since the "race card" is how you guys like to play ball. If you're getting sick and tired of being called a racist, then why don't you extend me the same fucking courtesy and consider that I am not either. If you can't bring yourself to do that, then just leave. I couldn't care less if you are here or not.

  • March 19, 2010, 5:02 p.m. CST

    Cylon, when did I mention Down Syndrome?

    by ColonelFatheart

    Methinks the lady doth protest too much. <p>Oh yeah, Cylon, I like how you deem living in LA gives authority on what's racist or not. You're like the human version of Haggis' CRASH.

  • March 19, 2010, 5:02 p.m. CST

    Cylon, you know nothing about Government.

    by American Mythos

    Quick trivia, how did it come to be that there were two houses of Congress? I might respect you a little if you can answer how the make up of the Legislative branch was first comprised. After all, we're talking mostly about congress here.

  • March 19, 2010, 5:02 p.m. CST

    Mr. Nice Gaius

    by cylon_conspiracy

    <p>Uh...ok. Nice unbelievable story about Los Angeles, dickface. Seriously!</p> <p>No you have it backwards, I AM from Los Angeles. Your story is obviously made up to make it sound like you have met black people. You're the racist, not me, remember.</p>

  • March 19, 2010, 5:04 p.m. CST

    cylon_conspiracy

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    The plan, as it now stands, IS TO VOTE ON THE SENATE BILL. That's why the House members who have such "reservations" about the bill are antsy trying to get the Senate to PROMISE they will sign the subsequent bill that they are writing. Whether or not it's a direct vote on the bill or the "Deem or report" they WILL have to vote to approve the Senate bill. As you say, no one's fooling anyone so why are you acting as if they are?

  • March 19, 2010, 5:04 p.m. CST

    Fatheart

    by schadenfreudian

    "You're like the human version of Haggis' CRASH." <BR> Too far, sir! Too far!

  • March 19, 2010, 5:05 p.m. CST

    Mice Try, Mythos

    by cylon_conspiracy

    I give you so many chances to grow up and be a man and get over calling people racist, and every time you change the subject so you can still play the race card at a later date.

  • March 19, 2010, 5:05 p.m. CST

    ...Nice Try

    by cylon_conspiracy

    Although mice works too because that's how small you are.

  • March 19, 2010, 5:06 p.m. CST

    cylon_conspiracy

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    I never pointed out that Obama was black in this Talkback. You did. The fact that you keep harping on it is the reason this thread has turned against you.<P>Please tell me you aren't so blind as to not see how ridiculous you've made this conversation. I mean, it's really, really stupid.

  • March 19, 2010, 5:06 p.m. CST

    The Tea Baggers might not be entirely (or even mostly) motivated

    by ebonic_plague

    ...racism, but if you can't recognize the racist elements that make up a significant portion of that movement (birthers, "closet Muslim," etc), then you're being willfully stupid and should be rightfully called out on it. <p> The reason I can't take the Tea Bagger movement seriously AT ALL is because they only decided that government deficit spending is only an egregious sin AFTER Bush left office, but while Bush was enabling his cronies to rob this country blind for 8 years, they were steadily saying that any opposition to government policy is unpatriotic. But when a black, democratic president gets stuck holding the bill for all that, they suddenly start shrieking bloody murder about fiscal responsibility. It's a complete joke, and I can't believe the country has been duped by the headline hungry MSM into thinking there is any legitimacy to their tantrums beyond just wanting to hear the same lies they've been accustomed to being fed for most of the last decade.

  • March 19, 2010, 5:06 p.m. CST

    cylon_conspiracy is Todd Palin.

    by ColonelFatheart

  • March 19, 2010, 5:07 p.m. CST

    So, you don't know how the house and senate were created

    by American Mythos

    Then you have no business discussing politics, nimrod.

  • March 19, 2010, 5:07 p.m. CST

    Thunderbolt Ross

    by cylon_conspiracy

    <p>"Whether or not it's a direct vote on the bill"</p> <p>Dude, that's the ENTIRE POINT! The House and the Senate have to vote on the SPECIFIC BILL for it to go to the President's Desk! It's called the fucking Constitution. Jesus.</p>

  • March 19, 2010, 5:07 p.m. CST

    cylon_conspiracy is Andrew Breitbart.

    by ColonelFatheart

  • March 19, 2010, 5:07 p.m. CST

    cylon_conspiracy is Andrew Breitbart.

    by ColonelFatheart

  • March 19, 2010, 5:07 p.m. CST

    cylon_conspiracy is Andrew Breitbart.

    by ColonelFatheart

  • March 19, 2010, 5:07 p.m. CST

    cylon_conspiracy is Andrew Breitbart.

    by ColonelFatheart

  • March 19, 2010, 5:07 p.m. CST

    cylon_conspiracy is Andrew Breitbart.

    by ColonelFatheart

  • March 19, 2010, 5:07 p.m. CST

    cylon_conspiracy is Andrew Breitbart.

    by ColonelFatheart

  • March 19, 2010, 5:07 p.m. CST

    *motivated BY

    by ebonic_plague

    Harry, sort out your damn site.

  • March 19, 2010, 5:08 p.m. CST

    "nimrod"

    by cylon_conspiracy

    What is this 1956? Is that your favorite time, still enjoying the segregation of black and white?

  • March 19, 2010, 5:09 p.m. CST

    "I AM from Los Angeles."

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    No, you're from Psychoville.

  • March 19, 2010, 5:09 p.m. CST

    They are voting on a specific bill.

    by ColonelFatheart

    The House is voting, specifically, to approve the Senate's bill, which has passed. The House is also voting, specifically, on specific changes to the Senate bill, which will be voted on, specifically, by the Senate after the House votes, specifically, on the specific legislation.

  • March 19, 2010, 5:10 p.m. CST

    Still waiting for the answer

    by American Mythos

    Or are you too stupid to give it?

  • March 19, 2010, 5:10 p.m. CST

    I LOVE Andrew Breitbart!!

    by cylon_conspiracy

    That is probably the biggest compliment you could give me. I have nothing but respect and admiration for that dude. I'm glad you've heard of him, shows the good guys are winning. :)

  • March 19, 2010, 5:11 p.m. CST

    Mr. Nice Gaius

    by cylon_conspiracy

    Very funny. You can't just admit that I'm not a racist and be a man and grow up, can you. Such a waste of space you are.

  • March 19, 2010, 5:11 p.m. CST

    Breitbart has severe emotional issues, and engages

    by ColonelFatheart

    the same kind of "I know you are, but what I am?" projection "debate" you're engaging in, cylon.

  • March 19, 2010, 5:13 p.m. CST

    ColonelFatheart

    by cylon_conspiracy

    When they do it all at once is is not the same as voting on the specific bill. They are doing it this way because the House does not have the votes for the Senate bill, as is. Which they are required to vote on by the Constitution. So even if they pass it, expect the court to throw it out on those grounds.

  • March 19, 2010, 5:13 p.m. CST

    And I'm so glad the right is so unhinged at the

    by ColonelFatheart

    thought of nationalizing health care. "Help millions of people??? THE HORROR!! THE HORROR!!"

  • March 19, 2010, 5:14 p.m. CST

    Shit, it isn't even "nationalizing" in the government

    by ColonelFatheart

    sense. The Democrats are expanding the private market, increasing competition, advocating for consumers and small business. You know, things conservatives used to be for.

  • March 19, 2010, 5:16 p.m. CST

    The court will not overturn it. "Deem and pass"

    by ColonelFatheart

    has become quite popular, particularly with the help of the GOP in recent years.

  • March 19, 2010, 5:16 p.m. CST

    It's not projecting

    by cylon_conspiracy

    <p>It's obvious in the light of day. I am simply turning your words against you. You are just too fucking dumb to understand, even when I've pointed out, that I have ZERO evidence that you are racist, other than that I WANT it to be true. If that's good enough for you, then It's good enough for me.</p> <p>If you guys want to talk like normal people, then withdraw your charges of racism. If you won't, I won't. I've said as much. But it seems that charges of racism is all you got. So we're going to keep communicating on that level.</p> <p>Breitbart is the man. He's the Thomas Paine of the 21st Century, there is literally no way you can make me feel bad by comparing me to him. I don't care. He's one of my heroes. Probably like you and janeane garofalo, sean penn, alec baldwin, etc. </p>

  • March 19, 2010, 5:18 p.m. CST

    Deem and Pass is NOT voting on the bill

    by cylon_conspiracy

    Fuck, learn about government bro! It ain't that hard. When they vote "yes" on a bill, it passes. When they deem it, it means they haven't voted on the fucking bill, which is required by the constitution!

  • March 19, 2010, 5:18 p.m. CST

    "The Thomas Paine of the 21st Century"

    by ColonelFatheart

    Wow. I'm done. I can't do this anymore. You, cylon, are truly delusional.

  • March 19, 2010, 5:22 p.m. CST

    Andrew Breitbart is God

    by cylon_conspiracy

    I've already linked to his sites in this thread. Glad you're done, like most liberals, you give up when your school-yard insults don't have the intended effect. Go back to your Huffington Post buddies, I'm done with ya.

  • March 19, 2010, 5:23 p.m. CST

    Cylon you don't know about government

    by American Mythos

    The Constitution gives the house penchant to makes up its own rules, one of which is deem and pass. Now answer me, why are there two chambers of congress instead of one? It's a trivia question, to see if you know anything at all about history.

  • March 19, 2010, 5:25 p.m. CST

    C'mon, you can even Google it.

    by American Mythos

  • March 19, 2010, 5:26 p.m. CST

    American Mythos

    by cylon_conspiracy

    I don't know anything about history. I'm trying to stall you but you won't give up. To be honest, I'm not very educated about America. You clearly are the smart guy here, not me. Please just leave me alone, I'm sorry that I made fun of you when I am clearly a huge loser. I give up. Uncle!

  • March 19, 2010, 5:27 p.m. CST

    Let it be noted, it's been 24 min. since I 1st asked you

    by American Mythos

    That's more than enough time to have Googled it.

  • March 19, 2010, 5:29 p.m. CST

    American Mythos, it's not worth it.

    by ColonelFatheart

    He doesn't even understand that the Senate will still have to vote on the fixes the House will VOTE to deem as passed.

  • March 19, 2010, 5:30 p.m. CST

    That's right

    by cylon_conspiracy

    I don't know basic history. Dude, I told you that you win, ok man? You can print out this post and frame it on your wall. I am a dork, you are cool, I am officially saying that right now. You are officially cooler and smarter than me. Too bad I'm a racist, because otherwise I think you're the type of guy that I could be good friends with. Oh well.

  • March 19, 2010, 5:30 p.m. CST

    Or he does understand, but is just too full of rage

    by ColonelFatheart

    and pride to admit he's wrong.

  • March 19, 2010, 5:31 p.m. CST

    ColonelFatheart

    by cylon_conspiracy

    I thought you were done. When a man says "I'm done" he doesn't come back for seconds. Be a man of your word, or no man at all. I said I was done with you as well, so you can now leave.

  • March 19, 2010, 5:33 p.m. CST

    Fuck, okay then, I'll tell you

    by American Mythos

    It's called the Connecticut Compromise. Big population states wanted proportional representation in congress, small population states wanted equal representation. That gave us the house (proportional by districts) and the senate (two senators each).

  • March 19, 2010, 5:34 p.m. CST

    Cylon, didn't you ask questions about TBer's education

    by SithMenace

    level, and then say "still waiting, still waiting"? So why do you get so upset when someone hassles you about something you don't want to answer?

  • March 19, 2010, 5:35 p.m. CST

    Not full of rage

    by cylon_conspiracy

    It's fun to pick on you guys because the democrat party is about to be destroyed for all time. I just think it's fun, now that my side is about to be in power, and the wind is at our backs, to pick on you guys and turn all your racist and personal attacks against you. I've been laughing and having a great time this whole "discussion". Basically you guys are losing and I'm having fun watching it happen. Kind of like kids pulling the wings off of flies, but more humane.

  • March 19, 2010, 5:37 p.m. CST

    I wonder where all Cylon's friends went?

    by American Mythos

    I think they got so embarrassed by associating themselves with this intellectually bankrupt clown that they bailed.

  • March 19, 2010, 5:37 p.m. CST

    SithMenace

    by cylon_conspiracy

    <p>You need to keep up. I explained to D.Vader why I asked that question in the first place. Hint: I'm making a point, and don't really give a shit where you were educated. But liberals care about that stuff. My whole thing today has been "liberal tactics used against liberals".</p> <p>I don't even think you guys are particularly racist, or at least, not all of you. I just wish the same courtesy was extended to me. But alas, you called me a racist so that's how it stands. I just have to ask, WTF are you doing having a conversation with a racist on the internet?

  • March 19, 2010, 5:38 p.m. CST

    "you guys are losing and I'm having fun watching"

    by SithMenace

    Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. No wait....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  • March 19, 2010, 5:40 p.m. CST

    They gave up because I held out longer

    by cylon_conspiracy

    I know your guy's tactics, "racist, bigot, dumb-dumb head!" Once I turn that shit back on you, you don't know what to do because you think only liberals can talk BS trash like that. Learned it from Breitbart. Conservatives are going on the offensive. Normally, liberals call us racist and we run away because we don't want our reputations smeared by baseless accusations. Now what we're doing is just doing the same shit back to you guys. At least in the context of this thread it's working pretty well, wore you guys down.</p>

  • March 19, 2010, 5:41 p.m. CST

    Not you specifically

    by cylon_conspiracy

    The democrat party. You lost just by being born, you're nothing but a TBer with nothing to offer society. I mean the democrat party, the people in office, are all going to be thrown out of office in November. Then Obama will be a lame duck... your "side" is losing. Just to clarify.

  • March 19, 2010, 5:41 p.m. CST

    Cylon, I think you need to take a break

    by American Mythos

    I can almost HEAR you cracking up.

  • March 19, 2010, 5:43 p.m. CST

    Well folks, it's been fun

    by American Mythos

    But now we're just ganging up on what I suspect might be a slightly disturbed fellow. Peace out.

  • March 19, 2010, 5:45 p.m. CST

    American Mythos

    by cylon_conspiracy

    Cracking up as in laughing? Yeah. Didn't I ask you to stop picking on me? I think I'm probably too easy a target for you. You should be more considerate and take my mental handicap into account. It's like punching a kid with glasses.

  • March 19, 2010, 5:46 p.m. CST

    You keep trying and trying

    by SithMenace

    but you'll never get me angry because I a) don't take you seriously, b) don't respect you, c)you're on the internet and don't matter, d)you'll never change your delusional Repub ways and e) have proven yourself to be a racist by saying you had to "get used" to black people. Everyone in this thread has turned on you. But clearly I'm the loser. Lol.

  • March 19, 2010, 5:47 p.m. CST

    Another one bites the dust

    by cylon_conspiracy

    Just so you know, all you guys had to do was withdraw your accusations of racism... but you just couldn't do it. The conversation would have been way more fun and laid back if you had. And I bent over backwards saying as much "let's take race off the table and just discuss the topic", but no one would bite.</p> <p>Have a nice life, enjoy the sci-fi movies and whatnot.</p>

  • March 19, 2010, 5:48 p.m. CST

    cylon_conspiracy

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    You have no fucking clue what you're talking about. THey have to vote on the "specific bill"? What does that even mean? Do you mean the bill by itself, not included in another resolution, as they are planning to do? Because if that's what you mean, you're wrong. They are going to vote on a resolution that includes approving the bill. The bill will then be sent to the president. This is not the first time it happened.<p>Anyway you're doing the same thing all the other myopic right wingers are doing which is use this procedural nonsense to somehow claim it's being rammed down the public's throat, which is where I jumped into the conversation.<p>So once again: Sweeping healthcare reform was already passed in the Senate and the House by freely elected members of those governing bodies.<p>Nobody and I mean nobody gives a RAT'S ASS about these procedural shenanigans if they agree with the legislation. You're intellectually dishonest tot keep projecting your objection to the bill onto the procedural aspect.

  • March 19, 2010, 5:49 p.m. CST

    Yeah I'm out of here too mythos

    by SithMenace

    I have better things to do than talk to someone like cylon, even if it is just to laugh at him.

  • March 19, 2010, 5:49 p.m. CST

    SithMenace

    by cylon_conspiracy

    I'm not trying to get you angry, just maybe suggesting that you leave the thread. I don't even know you, but you had no problem calling me a racist. So we didn't get off to the best start on our lifelong friendship. Too bad for you, bro.</p> <p>No, I will never change my ways. Just like you'll probably never stop making personal attacks against people you have never met in person. At least I like what I see when I look in the mirror, your conscience must be a bitch though.</p>

  • March 19, 2010, 5:51 p.m. CST

    Everyone turned on me before knowing me

    by cylon_conspiracy

    That's the whole goddamn point. I was a racist JUST BECAUSE I was talking, period. No one here was ever on my side to begin with. "Everyone has turned on me" assumes any of you had the maturity to actually look at me as an individual.</p> <p>Wore you out too. Have fun running away with your tail between your legs like a little bitch.</p>

  • March 19, 2010, 5:53 p.m. CST

    Thunderbolt Ross

    by cylon_conspiracy

    <p>They have to vote on the healthcare bill from the Senate. Not the reconciliation, and the student loans package, and the sidecars, whatever witches brew they are coming up with... they have to vote on THE SENTATE BILL--AS IS.</p> <p>As is. As is. As is. They are not voting on THAT bill, as is, as required by the Constitution. They don't have the votes. Instead, witches brew where they can pretend that they voted for one thing and not the other, when they are voting for it all, at once.</p>

  • March 19, 2010, 5:55 p.m. CST

    The American People care about procedure

    by cylon_conspiracy

    That's why there are people in Washington protesting. The voters, care about procedure. You and your Big State friends, who look as the Constitution as a nuisance, don't... but the Constitution is not procedure. It's the law of the land.

  • March 19, 2010, 5:58 p.m. CST

    cylon_conspiracy

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    You need to read up on this a little more. You're just flat wrong. I'm not going to go to the trouble of posting links and cutting and pasting shit, but just five minutes of reading and you could potentially be straightened out. <p>And again - you're hewing close to this stupid procedural "point" you're trying to make. What happened to the grandiose objection to the principle of healthcare reform being forced upon the American people?

  • March 19, 2010, 5:59 p.m. CST

    Thunderbolt Ross

    by cylon_conspiracy

    Nope, me right, you wrong. Sorry man. See you in the Mad Men thread in a few months.

  • March 19, 2010, 6:01 p.m. CST

    Everything they do is worthy of criticism

    by cylon_conspiracy

    It's like "can they do anything right?". Trampling on the Constitution is bad, forcing socialism on the populace is bad... it's ALL BAD, man. All bad. don't get me stared on Cap and Trade.

  • March 19, 2010, 6:02 p.m. CST

    No

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    The protests are NOT about procedure. Are you fucking kidding me? And I said no-one gives a rat's ass if they AGREE with the legislation. Go find me an example of protests against congressional procedure by people who agreed with the bill in question. and I will eat my hat.

  • March 19, 2010, 6:04 p.m. CST

    you are just wrong

    by cylon_conspiracy

    Sorry dude, you're wrong. They are there for procedure, and for the bill, and for everything that Obama is NOT doing to help the economy. They are there for the whole package. The liberals in office just keep giving us more, and more reasons to protest and freak out. They keep stoking the flames.

  • March 19, 2010, 6:09 p.m. CST

    Thunderbolt Ross

    by cylon_conspiracy

    What did you think about that link I posted where Senator Obama said he was against the very scenario going down right now? That doesn't bother you at all--the hypocrisy?

  • March 19, 2010, 6:12 p.m. CST

    Bulllshit

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    Oh so now it's a whole host of things they're protesting? Then why the FUCK did you say it was about the procedure? What a load of crap.

  • March 19, 2010, 6:14 p.m. CST

    Thunderbolt Ross

    by cylon_conspiracy

    Yeah whatever, take it easy.

  • March 19, 2010, 6:22 p.m. CST

    So just to sum up this talkback...

    by schadenfreudian

    http://www.youtube. com/watch?v=Nh33bGAxl58

  • March 19, 2010, 6:25 p.m. CST

    Link doesn't work

    by cylon_conspiracy

    But I'm sure the video is one guy who knows what he's talking about taking on a bunch of superstitious villagers wielding pitchforks.

  • March 19, 2010, 6:29 p.m. CST

    cylon_conspiracy

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    I never said or thought fuck all about racism or any of your other complaints and you still argue like a 12 year old. The fact is you tried to pull a bait and switch with your claim that there were protests against the procedural aspects, which I called BS on, then you changed it to "in addition to" pretty much everything under the sun. I'm not arguing with your overall point now, mind you, I'm saying that's crap arguing right there, whatever point you're arguing.

  • March 19, 2010, 6:29 p.m. CST

    The link worked fine for me

    by schadenfreudian

    But then, I removed the break. <BR> well, try this one. http://tinyurl.com/ybo7bns

  • March 19, 2010, 6:34 p.m. CST

    Thunderbolt Ross

    by cylon_conspiracy

    Thanks for not calling me a racist--the bar is really low for liberals on being civil, and you have at least risen above that low bar, and I appreciate it. The protestors are there for process. And policy. And everything else. You make it sound like I am just making stuff up to make a point. I'm not, so there's no point in "arguing like a twelve year old" if you think I'm actually spending my time here trying to mislead people.

  • March 19, 2010, 6:35 p.m. CST

    by cylon_conspiracy

  • March 19, 2010, 6:36 p.m. CST

    So am I the mule?

    by cylon_conspiracy

    Or are the liberals the mule because their party is symbolized by a donkey?

  • March 19, 2010, 6:38 p.m. CST

    Whatever you like, Cylon

    by schadenfreudian

    I'm not forcing my opinion on anybody.

  • March 19, 2010, 6:40 p.m. CST

    It's not really like that though

    by cylon_conspiracy

    I'm serious about my beliefs but all the racist shit, that's just for fun. I usually don't make personal attacks but I figured for today I'd act like a liberal and express myself only in personal attacks and baseless accusations. I can see why the left was so successful with that strategy, after a while the republicans would just walk away. But now it's time for the liberals to run away with their tails between their legs.

  • March 19, 2010, 6:45 p.m. CST

    It also worked well for the repubs

    by schadenfreudian

    when they were going after anyone and everyone who criticized Bush for going to war in Iraq by calling them anti-American and questioning their patriotism. <BR> It's a solid tactic regardless of who's using it.

  • March 19, 2010, 6:47 p.m. CST

    She Should Be On CBN with Pat Robertson

    by Merlin_Ambrosius

    She could be free to mingle with her own kind. But maybe this crazy bitch is too dumb even for the (So-Called) Christian Broadcasting Network and the 700 Club. Still they do deserve each other! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxg63uoPF88

  • March 19, 2010, 6:50 p.m. CST

    "It's a solid tactic"

    by cylon_conspiracy

    <p>I wasn't among those who said people protesting Iraq were unpatriotic, but let's be real here, a lot of anti-Iraq people were anti military, anti-troops, etc. Just like the people who spit on the returning soldiers in Viet Nam. They really hate the military and are naive enough to think we can have a secure nation with absolutely no way to defend ourselves.</p> <p>But those liberals responded by saying "dissent is patriotic". Guess that meant, if you're a democrat. Today, dissent is racist.</p>

  • March 19, 2010, 6:52 p.m. CST

    Well, again, what do I know? I'm an idiot.

    by schadenfreudian

    Have a great weekend, everyone. I'm going home to sit in my own filth and watch Fox News so I can learn something.

  • March 19, 2010, 6:55 p.m. CST

    Fox News will show you the light

    by cylon_conspiracy

    Hey man, you called Palin an idiot, so if you don't like being called names, you should probably hesitate doing the same, know what I mean? Have a good weekend.

  • March 19, 2010, 7:59 p.m. CST

    Just got back from the Hospital

    by buffywrestling

    Dad now has a nurse to sit by his bedside 24 hours a day free of charge because he is prone to wandering & to keep him calm. <p> Why don't some people in the US want a Canadian type health care system again? I don't think you actually realize how less stressed your lives will be. You can always bitch about other things, like potholes or the weather.

  • March 19, 2010, 8:06 p.m. CST

    Sarah Palin would be great...

    by bobjustbob

    ... in a Michael Bay film.<p> Once had yummy labia.

  • March 19, 2010, 8:06 p.m. CST

    Both sides are full of shit

    by garybuseys_incisors

    FUCK THE SYSTEM--VOTE 3RD PARTY.

  • March 19, 2010, 8:10 p.m. CST

    Cylon you darsh

    by D.Vader

    I'm not the brightest bulb? Because I laugh at you continually asking about someone's education level? There you go, making assumptions about someone and looking foolish. And who are these "YOU PEOPLE" you group me into? You don't know shit about me, and you end up looking like the idiot when you assume you know my political views bc I said I laugh at you. <p> And for the record, asking someone about their education level isn't a liberal thing or a conservative thing, so for you to even suggest you're only doing it to argue on a liberal's terms is ridiculous.

  • March 19, 2010, 8:10 p.m. CST

    Cylon you darsh

    by D.Vader

    I'm not the brightest bulb? Because I laugh at you continually asking about someone's education level? There you go, making assumptions about someone and looking foolish. And who are these "YOU PEOPLE" you group me into? You don't know shit about me, and you end up looking like the idiot when you assume you know my political views bc I said I laugh at you. <p> And for the record, asking someone about their education level isn't a liberal thing or a conservative thing, so for you to even suggest you're only doing it to argue on a liberal's terms is ridiculous.

  • March 19, 2010, 8:14 p.m. CST

    So you're a conservative?

    by cylon_conspiracy

    <p>Then you should have stuck up for me when I was being called a racist simply for criticizing the POTUS. So since you didn't step in, you definitely aren't on my political side.</p> <p>If you think my tactics are foolish I'll keep that in mind, and I expect you to call out your fellow liberals next time they demand that republicans defend their intelligence and education. I'll be watchin'. In the meantime, in your words "go fuck yourself" little buddy.

  • March 19, 2010, 8:19 p.m. CST

    Jesus Titty Fucking Christ

    by Rectal Blowout

    Is this a joke? I thought Discovery and A&E had a bit of class, at least. Wow, I guess the fuck not, huh?

  • March 19, 2010, 8:21 p.m. CST

    cylon

    by buffywrestling

    You are so uptight, man. You need to smoke a bowl & have free health care.

  • March 19, 2010, 8:21 p.m. CST

    This coming from someone named RectalBlowout

    by cylon_conspiracy

    That's like, what, admitting that you talk outside of your ass? Lol. Anyway, this show is not a fucking reality show about Sarah Palin's family you dumbass. It's about the state of Alaska. Not about her personal life.

  • March 19, 2010, 8:23 p.m. CST

    buffywrestling

    by cylon_conspiracy

    Right, I'll just shut up and stop expressing my opinion, so you can live in your deluded world where health care is "free". Jesus. Money grows on trees, didn't you hear? I'll hit that joint with you though.

  • March 19, 2010, 8:27 p.m. CST

    Howard Stern: "Democrats are Communists"

    by cylon_conspiracy

    <p>http://tinyurl.com/6b6gpd</p> <p>Damn, people you would never expect are waking up. Good stuff.</p>

  • March 19, 2010, 8:41 p.m. CST

    "Fox News will show you the light"

    by Mel_Gibsons_Nazi_Dad

    brought to you by eli lilly.<p> Stupid fucking tool

  • March 19, 2010, 8:45 p.m. CST

    Socialism is not Communism

    by ominus

    Stern should start reading books,he might learn something.

  • March 19, 2010, 8:52 p.m. CST

    Isn't this cunt's 15 minutes of fame over yet?

    by Shawn F.

    Jesus, who are the retards keeping this dried twat in the spotlight? Fucking Middle America, I bet. Nuke it and call it a day, y'all.

  • March 19, 2010, 8:53 p.m. CST

    cylon-conspiracy

    by JaredP

    ur an utter douchebag and so is everyone else in ur "movement" the only thing you poeple have managed to move is ur fuckin bowels

  • March 19, 2010, 8:54 p.m. CST

    Mel_Gibsons_Nazi_Dad

    by cylon_conspiracy

    Go back to MSNBC and their objective reporting. Faggot.

  • March 19, 2010, 8:56 p.m. CST

    JaredP--spelling, spelling

    by cylon_conspiracy

    You I know for sure are not college educated.

  • March 19, 2010, 8:56 p.m. CST

    Well, "free" in a sense

    by buffywrestling

    that we pay a percentage of our income in taxes according to the amount we make for roads [snow removal!], schools, health care, employment insurance [in case you lose your job] & pension plan. I personally within last 5 years have broken an arm, leg & had major surgery that required home care [nurses visited my house twice a day to change my bandages for 3 months]. If that costs me $12 on every $100 that I make so I'm only taking home a $88 payday [oververt simplification] it's not really that bad a deal, yeah? I still do my tax return every year and so far I still get money back from the government. <p> I don't know. Sometimes the only thing I take away from your health care debate is that no one wants to share with anyone, like "I am perfectly healthy and have never been sick in my life, never been a drain on the system; why should I pay for Julio who has Parkinson's, a wonky eye & a clubbed foot??" I just don't get that. <p> I'd definitly share bowl with you, man.

  • March 19, 2010, 8:58 p.m. CST

    buffywrestling

    by cylon_conspiracy

    You are officially the only cool liberal in this thread. I'm declaring it, right now.

  • March 19, 2010, 9:13 p.m. CST

    cylon_conspiracy

    by Mel_Gibsons_Nazi_Dad

    I don't watch msnbc, never have and never will. Don't put me into a category.<p> Nice job using faggot as an insult. Now go back to that objective Fox News, bigot.

  • March 19, 2010, 9:21 p.m. CST

    YES!

    by buffywrestling

    See? That's awesome. <p> You call me a "Liberal" in US terms but in Canada, I'm actually a "Progressive Conservative", which basically a USA version of a Republican. <p> [Also in US terms, The Liberal Party in Canada is way more leftist than the US Democratic Party and the New Democractic Party [3rd Party option] wants to make everyone live on vegtables & wear clothes made out of hemp. That's not totally true. But only a little. It's the "Hippie" party. Sounds fun but remember, real hippies didn't bathe.]

  • March 19, 2010, 10:48 p.m. CST

    Godamit Buffy!! That's just not true!!!

    by Billyeveryteen

    I bathe every week!

  • March 19, 2010, 10:49 p.m. CST

    cylon_c, representing the TeaParty by throwing insults

    by chromedome

    instead of having clear, mature discussions.<p>Pretty accurate representation, all in all.<p>Well Done, Sir. Stephen Colbert is Proud of You.

  • March 19, 2010, 11:02 p.m. CST

    I can see it now...

    by Mechasheeva

    "The Alaskan Wilderness sure is beautiful, you betcha. But you know what would make it more beautiful? If we were flying over a field of oil pipelines in a helicopter shooting at wolves! Now that's just common sense workin' for ya."

  • March 19, 2010, 11:20 p.m. CST

    Actually, Mechasheeva...

    by Starship Captain

    Seeing Alaska dotted with field upon field of oil pipelines WOULD be a beautiful sight. We SHOULD be drilling in Alaska to maximum output.<p>And FUCK the wolves. They're predatory animals, and who gives a shit if hunters want to go after them? Hunt 'em, skin 'em, eat 'em, wear their fur...who cares? What, you have some giant desire to have a pet wolf at home? Fine, head up to Alaska and go adopt one and bring it home if you care so much!

  • March 19, 2010, 11:40 p.m. CST

    Try to remember the House has to vote TWICE now

    by Starship Captain

    Everyone keeps arguing about procedure, but too many people keep missing a core point.<p>The way this was SUPPOSED to go down was the House was SUPPOSED to simply sign off on the Senate bill. If they had done that, this would all be over and Obama could have signed it into law.<p>However, being the arrogant antagonist fucking cum hole crack whore hag that she is, Pelosi couldn't come up with the votes. Simply because this bill is SO radioactive and unpopular that no one really wants their name on it -- well, aside from Obama who is out on the campaign trail again talking about an urgent need to "save his presidency" and "to make history". Then again, Obama is a egotistical douche of the lowest scumbag order, but that's a whole other topic. So, to get the 216 votes needed for passage, crack whohad to literally BRIBE people with promises and kickbacks. But because she's officially now made changes to the Senate bill, it has to go back to the Senate for yet ANOTHER vote.<p>Why is this good news? Because Senator Jon Kyl was just on TV explaining that he's not only met with Republican senators, but with DEMOCRATIC senators too, who already have said in private "No way this shit is gonna stay. Fuck Pelosi and my fellow Dems in the House -- I have every intention of getting MYSELF reelected. This motherfucking shit is going to get rewritten AGAIN."<p>So, the good news is once the Senate gets its hands on this bill, they'll change it yet again and then it has to go BACK to the House for a SECOND vote. At which point we'll REALLY see how this is going to go. Because that's when all those Dems who promised their vote the first time around...in exchange for some kickbacks...are going to be asked to vote AGAIN, only this time WITHOUT many of their perks in there.<p>Given that Obama and Pelosi had to pull every string in the book just to crawl to 216, I can't wait to see how many House members will still vote for this thing that second time around once they've been screwed over, their perks are gone, and Pelosi is stared down by the Senate saying "This is it. You guys take it or leave it."

  • March 20, 2010, 12:12 a.m. CST

    Starship Captain

    by BurnHollywood

    "However, being the arrogant antagonist fucking cum hole crack whore hag that she is, Pelosi couldn't come up with the votes. Simply because this bill is SO radioactive and unpopular that no one really wants their name on it -- well, aside from Obama who is out on the campaign trail again talking about an urgent need to "save his presidency" and "to make history". Then again, Obama is a egotistical douche of the lowest scumbag order, but that's a whole other topic."<p> Hearing right-wing shills sob and drool all over their keyboards puts a song in my heart and a bounce in my step. :-)<p> Also, reading your freestyle interpretation of Congressional rules and procedure makes for no small amount of hilarity...it's like watching a teenager trying to fight his speeding ticket in court.

  • March 20, 2010, 12:23 a.m. CST

    buffywrestling

    by BurnHollywood

    "Also in US terms, The Liberal Party in Canada is way more leftist than the US Democratic Party and the New Democractic Party [3rd Party option] wants to make everyone live on vegtables & wear clothes made out of hemp."<p> You left out that a "Conservative" in Canada is pretty much the equivalent of a blue-dog Democrat.<p> Case in point: I'm a leftist, but the Canadian health system is actually TOO socialized...it could actually benefit from a small amount of private competition by allowing doctors to "freelance", same as healthcare leaders France and Italy. But even "conservative" PM Stephen Harper wouldn't touch it with a ten-foot-pole, so it stays put.<p> On a side note, that's the real "threat" that Obama's health reform poses to the US...not that the country will become North Korea or Cuba like some right-wing fucktards might moan, but that it'll just be marching in lockstep with the rest of the industrialized world, including Israel and the UK.<p> So fucking what.

  • March 20, 2010, 1:50 a.m. CST

    buffywrestling

    by cylon_conspiracy

    <p>I hear where you're coming from, man. You're like me: an idealist. You want the best for all mankind. You might think that a more engaged government will bring about that idealized society, whereas I think that a limited government will bring about that idealized society. But we both want the same thing: we want the best society possible. We just disagree on method, but not on the ultimate objective: good times for all mankind.</p> <p>You're definitely the type of guy I could smoke a bowl and discuss this stuff with. I'll make sure to look out for you in the other talkbacks. Nice making your Acquaintance.</p>

  • March 20, 2010, 2:15 a.m. CST

    Starship Captain

    by cylon_conspiracy

    This whole "The Senate will fix the bad stuff in their bill" is a sham. If Pelosi pulls a rabbit out of her hat and manages to get this vote through, the Senate is an after-thought. They aren't going to vote on shit. Obama will sign it into law, and that will be end to it. The House wants promises from the Senate that they'll consider the changes they want, but it will never happen.

  • March 20, 2010, 3:52 a.m. CST

    Fuck you, Herc

    by goatherdingclownhunter

    Fuck you, Herc. I am SO glad your 401K is growing under Obama. Mine's not. Unemployment is skyrocketing with this jackass as our President. I spent 9 months without a real job, doing shit jobs, before I finally got somewhere. I am one of the lucky ones. Have fun living in your liberal utopian dream world.

  • March 20, 2010, 4:13 a.m. CST

    Burn & Cylon

    by buffywrestling

    Burn: Canada would be lucky to have a health care system like France. I mean, I don't know if the US has checked out their average death rate or their infant mortality rate lately but considering they are the richest country ever; it's shocking low. <p> cylon: I'm a girl [don't I type like girl? I'm all whateva!! I should use more cutesy emoticons & shit I guess :PP~~~] <p> PS: Your acquaitance was nice to be met.

  • March 20, 2010, 5:36 a.m. CST

    BurnHollywood

    by Starship Captain

    Glad I made you happy.<p>Or course, watching Left-wing shills sob and drool all over THEIR keyboards this coming November, when Democrats lose the House and Pelosi the Speaker's position -- at which point she'll crawl back into the dark, dank, shit sewer she was spawned in -- is going to put a song in MY heart and bounce in MY step. :-)

  • March 20, 2010, 8:32 a.m. CST

    Well, Herc, congratulations! You're about the only one

    by Coughlins Laws

    doing better since Obama got elected. And I can't believe you actually think that passing Obamacare would be a good idea. You're in the minority on that, also. The vast majority of those with jobs and who aren't already on government assistance are against that debacle. Thanks for siding with the deadbeats of society...

  • March 20, 2010, 8:43 a.m. CST

    Again, I still don't understand the fascination liberals

    by Coughlins Laws

    have with constantly bashing this woman. Does it make you feel good inside? Joe Biden and Barack Obama combined have said countless of more stupid things than she has since the campaign. Biden tells paraplegics to stand up and tells Heads of State that their live mothers are dead. Obama thinks there are 57 states, calls Navy Corpsmen, "Corpes-men", and says that premiums will go down 3000% under Obamacare, even though he meant $3,000 (which is a lie).

  • March 20, 2010, 10:59 a.m. CST

    Should be on E!

    by JoeSixPack

    Right after Keeping up with the Kardashians. Call it Putting up with the Palins. Go ahead and recast Todd Palin with Bruce Jenner. Oh well, at least this show may put another nail in her political coffin.

  • March 20, 2010, 11:09 a.m. CST

    Palin iis a moron

    by WilliamZabkaRox

    Is Palin going to have to write the script down on her hand to remember it?

  • March 20, 2010, 11:14 a.m. CST

    Right America

    by WilliamZabkaRox

    I urge everyone to watch the HBO documentary Right America. What a sad, racist, homophobic, misinformed party of idiots. http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/right-america-feeling-wronged/

  • March 20, 2010, 11:24 a.m. CST

    The Reason Someon Like Sarah Palin is Popular

    by Sparhawk38

    is because the a very vocal minority of the country are ingnorant and easily manipulated and because there are educated people who are wealthy and prejudiced. It is sad. Sarah Palin is a normal person, but not qualified to lead a girlscout troop.

  • March 20, 2010, 11:25 a.m. CST

    and

    by Sparhawk38

    I have proven I am uneducated by misspelling "someone". Ah sweet irony. My ending "e"s aren't just silent...they are invisibl.

  • March 20, 2010, 11:28 a.m. CST

    Palin

    by Sgt.Steiner

    A woman who believes the earth is around 3,000 years old is, yes, fun to make fun of. And Couglins Laws, "Thanks for siding with the deadbeats of society..." Why am I reminded of "The Big Lebowski": "The bums will always lose, Lebowski! The bums will always lose!" Angy populism is always most amusing when it becomes incoherent. The John Birch Society returns! Cue an hour of Glenn Beck describing the "socialist" symbols in Rockefeller Center. All I hear is, "We can't trust Obama! He is a far left-wing extremist agenda and a phony birth certificate!" "Yea, of little faith, have a cookie."

  • March 20, 2010, 12:34 p.m. CST

    Does no one care that Palin is working to overthrow the...

    by anonymoose

    ...illuminati? She's doing wondrous work, my friends! How dare you insult and cattle prod her! She's smarter than all of us combined! She's on a higher level than all of you. <P> Have you had to breastfeed a downs baby? Hmm? No? Didn't think so. They have retard strength in the gums too, you know? That must hurt, but she never complains, because she's a fine example of a woman with real responsibilities. She has nipples of steel. <P> When the internet started making fun of her baby, she did the righteous and Holy thing. She protected her loved ones by exiting the political field. It was probably a very long and hard process to come to that decision. Sacrifices of that caliber are always the hardest. Like a super heroine, she shielded her kin from the villains that are the media elite, the internet hate machine, and the illuminati, who ordained her political execution. <P> Palin believes that Alaska will play a role for Christians on the run in the End Times. Those that refuse to wear the mark of the beast, will find safe haven in Alaska. This is true. She's a smart one, indeed, and this proves it! If you look up Revelations 1:138 (in the very rare Alaskan New King James Version), it says, "Have thy good sense to embark upon a quest to the cold wilderness of Alaska if you are too late for the heavenly tractor beam." <P> Palin is my Wonder Woman. She does battle with the evils (outer space aliens, illegal aliens) that plague America and protects us from the terrorist we call President.

  • March 20, 2010, 12:46 p.m. CST

    Coughlin's, do you not see what a joke this woman is?

    by Stabby

    She dropped out of office to star in a Reality Series. A FUCKING REALITY SERIES!!!

  • March 20, 2010, 12:49 p.m. CST

    It's not about saying dumb stuff (Everyone does)

    by Stabby

    It's about having integrity (She does not).

  • March 20, 2010, 1:08 p.m. CST

    Oh and Coughlins

    by Stabby

    The majority of Americans are in support of Universal Healthcare. Not a Public Option or this abortion of Healthcare Bill. UNIVERSAL FUCKING HEALTHCARE! Suck on that!

  • March 20, 2010, 1:31 p.m. CST

    Cylon, you've gone freakin' nuts

    by D.Vader

    I know we've laughed and joked together in other TBs, so there is absolutely NO reason for you to be such an asshole to me. Look, me laughing at you was just some good-natured ribbing. It seemed very bizarre for me to see someone demanding to know what everyone's education level is. And despite what you say now, I really don't believe you were doing it bc "that's what liberals do" and you wanted to insult liberals with the same tactics they use. <p> And on that point, what a stupid and immature tactic to take. Especially when no one had demanded to know your education level when debating you earlier. <p> And here's something you said to me that I find disconcerting: "Then you should have stuck up for me when I was being called a racist simply for criticizing the POTUS. So since you didn't step in, you definitely aren't on my political side." <p> Whaaaaaaaat? What the hell are you talking about? I don't owe you shit. Because I agree with someone doesn't mean I HAVE to defend them if they're in an argument with someone else. We have ZERO attachments to each other here, brother. For all I know, LaserPants has met and knows some real racists that DO hate Obama more bc he's black than for his politics. They DO exist. But I don't give a shit what kind of argument you two are engaging in- it doesn't and didn't interest me. And I don't HAVE to defend you or join your side or say a single word. I can do what I damn well please. <p> And if you think bc I ignored your spat with him to focus on other issues I found more interesting, that makes me "definitely" not on YOUR political side, which seems to imply I'm the enemy, then you really are foolish. <p> Here's what else you said: "If you think my tactics are foolish I'll keep that in mind, and I expect you to call out your fellow liberals next time they demand that republicans defend their intelligence and education." <p> I don't think they care about the other side's education. I think what we ALL care about, and SHOULD care about is our ELECTED OFFICIAL'S education, no matter what side they're on. I prefer my elected leaders to be intelligent, and a college degree says more upfront than no degree at all. <p> " I'll be watchin'." --- You're really scaring me. <p> Cylon, you need to chill. You've taken this way too seriously and its bugged out your mind and your judgement. Like I said, we've laughed in other TBs before; there's no reason for you to be so hostile now. Relax, take a deep breath, and continue on. <p> And for the record, I have a college degree, and I think Sarah Palin is an idiot.

  • March 20, 2010, 1:55 p.m. CST

    Laughing all the way to the bank

    by RogueWarrior65

    You gotta love all the naysayers spouting off about how stupid she is. IMHO, she's pretty damn savvy and laughing all the way to the bank. Wrote a controversial book (yes, yes, she had someone else do it but so did everyone else who "wrote" a book about themselves) which turned out to be a huge hit. Makes a ton of money on speaking engagements where, guess what, she's a huge hit with her audience. If the left really wanted to marginalize, they should have kept quiet about her. Love her or hate her, she's a bankable commodity.

  • March 20, 2010, 2:02 p.m. CST

    buffywrestling

    by cylon_conspiracy

    Lol I'd still hang out with you. I think this site is like 99% male so forgive me for assuming you were a dude.

  • March 20, 2010, 2:06 p.m. CST

    Republicans...

    by Harry Weinstein

    That's what you end up with when the abortion doesn't take.

  • March 20, 2010, 2:07 p.m. CST

    RogueWarrior goin' rogue on this campaign.

    by anonymoose

    We need more people like you to fight for our cause.

  • March 20, 2010, 2:08 p.m. CST

    D.Vader

    by cylon_conspiracy

    <p>No, that was the truth. I felt like taking a personal attack holiday--hell people were coming out and calling me a racist and a bigot without any evidence other than I'm a conservative. After awhile, it's nice to just give them a taste of their own medicine.</p> <p>No one behind the curtain,I've been upfront about what I was doing the whole time. If you can't deal, you can't deal.</p>

  • March 20, 2010, 2:09 p.m. CST

    yeah cylon

    by JaredP

    you sound so college educated sticking up for the tea partiesthat makes you sound so intellectual was your father married to his sister by any chance?

  • March 20, 2010, 2:30 p.m. CST

    Hussein has elected Czars in this country.

    by anonymoose

    Czars! We're not communist Russia! How dare that evil socialist, fascist dictator allow this!? <P> What do they do? I'll tell you what they do. They act as direct puppets of the illuminati. They work to control everything that happens in our society. Do you think that coffee you're sipping is just coffee? No. There are chemicals in it that are designed to make you think about things they want you to think about. It's chemical mind control! Stay away from anything you don't know is 100% safe. Harvest the beans yourself if you have to! <P> The Czars program television to further control your mind. You have been manipulated! Seen LOST lately? The Czars have control of that. American Idol? Czars. Movies? Czars. <P> The illuminati's control goes back further, through other puppets and means, but the Czars Osama- I mean Obama has elected are the latest and greatest effort. <P> He has even elected many that the majority of the public don't know about. There is a video game Czar! Stay away from all of them, they'll brainwash you! <P> Stand by Palin. Support her with all your heart, then let her into it, and you'll be safe. If you truly believe in Palin, the rest, your righteous and Holy actions, will fall into place as a true sign.

  • March 20, 2010, 4:34 p.m. CST

    I can deal Cylon

    by D.Vader

    You're the one who made attacks and assumptions on me.

  • March 20, 2010, 4:46 p.m. CST

    "calling me a racist and a bigot without any evidence"

    by Mel_Gibsons_Nazi_Dad

    "Go back to MSNBC and their objective reporting. Faggot."<p> Then you provided the evidence. You could have said anything, tool, stupid, douche, asshole, but nope you used faggot. Very telling.

  • March 20, 2010, 5 p.m. CST

    Herc

    by enemygateisdown

    1. Your 401k tanked AFTER pelosi and the retard dems took over congress. How was it performing before that, genious? 2. Take a look at how Mass. is able to pay for their great system...they can't! 3. Why don't you take a look at how those Socialized European countries economies have performed since they incorporated socialized ANYTHING. The thing that made and kept America the No. 1 economic force in the world is the free market and capitalism. Now that we're losing it, you can see what's happening to our economy. It's really not that hard to connect the dots, if you're not looking through the bottem of your cool-aid glass, you poor, brainwashed, pelosi-lover. I can't wait to see how your stocks do after the economy drops again. Where is the transparency that was promised? Where are the jobs, other than the 16,000 new IRS agents being hired! People who work in teh real world tend to see what's really going on around them! And this goes to all you liberal zombies out there too! At least Palin is trying to do something good, instead of just pushing her own RADICAL agenda...

  • March 20, 2010, 5:04 p.m. CST

    MSNBC is a lie.

    by anonymoose

    It's owned by THEM. You know who I'm talking about. Fox News used to be shooting straight, but recently, they've gone soft and faggoty, obvious signs that they're getting pounded harder than ever by the fist of the illuminati. <P> Palin's involvement with Fox News is a sign of hope, but even she can't bring down an entire corporation owned by the elitist mind controllers. Bill O'Reilly is definitely reptilian, so watch out, Sarah! <P> Cylon looks like an okay guy, a true patriot who knows what's right and wrong. He reminds me of myself; I like myself. We need him on our side in the fight against the space aliens and liberal Nazi illuminati.

  • March 20, 2010, 5:39 p.m. CST

    Look, cylon was at the teabagger rally in DC today:

    by ColonelFatheart

    http://tinyurl.com/yz78ydr

  • March 20, 2010, 6:05 p.m. CST

    Starship Captain

    by BurnHollywood

    "Or course, watching Left-wing shills sob and drool all over THEIR keyboards this coming November, when Democrats lose the House and Pelosi the Speaker's position -- at which point she'll crawl back into the dark, dank, shit sewer she was spawned in -- is going to put a song in MY heart and bounce in MY step. :-)"<p> The more scatological the condemnations, the more desperate the hope...I've not even heard the GOP leadership dare to state that they'll take control of either house in November. The Intrade.com prediction market (which exactly predicted the Oscars this year) doesn't show anything like this outcome at this point...you're aware that the Democratic House majority is presently seventy-five seats, right?<p> Shit in one hand, and wish in the other...see which gets fuller first. Aside from showing up to major meetings without even a counter-offer (a form of strategic suicide), wishing is one of the few things the Republicans have going for them. Those Tea-Bagging fruit loops are looking increasingly like a wet firecracker...when they're not outrightly undermining the present GOP leadership, that is. Once the insurance/pharma industry "donations" dry up, we'll see what a political force they actually are...

  • March 20, 2010, 6:22 p.m. CST

    enemygateisdown

    by BurnHollywood

    "The thing that made and kept America the No. 1 economic force in the world is the free market and capitalism."<p> ...And the quickest rising economy in the present era is the People's Republic of China, population-wise, the largest communist society in human history, predicted to overtake the US by 2030, probably much sooner. WTF does THAT say about the supposed relationship between democracy, freedom and "free markets"?<p> The truth is, your "free market"* bullshit actually demolished America's prowess, by shoving jobs overseas hand over fist while not replacing them at home with any substantive alternatives, and then trying to patch the hole in the average citizen's income with a credit-based pyramid scheme that leaned heavily on home financing. We all saw how well THAT worked out.<p> What fucking nonsense. Little wonder you look up to a political zombie like Palin.<p> *Quotes necessary, because a truly "free" market in the Adam Smith tradition eschews proprietary information like copyrights and patents to avoid monopolies...and monopolistic oligarchies are the way of American business

  • March 20, 2010, 6:26 p.m. CST

    Yawn...Wake Me Up...

    by Marshal_Lannes

    ...when the Cons and Libs start shooting at each other...You know it's coming...

  • March 20, 2010, 6:37 p.m. CST

    Why is it that 'tea-bagging'

    by Anino

    Why is it that 'tea-bagging' is a sexual practice popular among liberals, yet they use it to make fun of people at tea-party rallies? It's like pro-gay rights libs, use a gay practice, to make fun of people they disagree with? Hmm, I guess it's too much to ask for consistency from liberals huh?

  • March 20, 2010, 6:41 p.m. CST

    Poor Obama-bots

    by Anino

    Looks like Rasmussen's daily tracking poll shows that Obama's approval index (disapprove to approve) is negative 21...that's LOOOOWWWWW. And before you start making fun of (Liberal) Rasmussen, they also predicted in 2008 that Obama would win by 5 points, which he did. Everytime Obama pushes health care, his numbers go down. No one wants it Mr. President. Time to cut your losses.

  • March 20, 2010, 6:45 p.m. CST

    RogueWarrior65

    by BurnHollywood

    "IMHO, she's pretty damn savvy and laughing all the way to the bank."<p> Publicly euthanizing an influential political career for fifteen minutes in the limelight doesn't strike me as particularly bright, but we'll see...

  • March 20, 2010, 6:57 p.m. CST

    by BurnHollywood

    "Why is it that 'tea-bagging' is a sexual practice popular among liberals, yet they use it to make fun of people at tea-party rallies?"<p> When it comes to gayness, Republicans are the most notorious hypocrites this side of the Catholic clergy. And besides, if the shoe fits, wear it...they all have Glenn Beck's balls across their nose anyway...<p> "Looks like Rasmussen's daily tracking poll shows that Obama's approval index (disapprove to approve) is negative 21...that's LOOOOWWWWW. And before you start making fun of (Liberal) Rasmussen, they also predicted in 2008 that Obama would win by 5 points, which he did."<p> "Liberal" Rasmussen...best laugh I've had all day. Keep it up. "Liberal" organizations don't typically have a president that worked on Dubya's re-election campaign.<p> Anyway, a broken clock is right twice a day, too. Anyone with any brains uses a meta-polling site like Pollster or RealClearPolitics...

  • March 20, 2010, 6:58 p.m. CST

    People that say Palin is a quitter

    by Anino

    Really show they aren't serious about context, or facts of any kind. I mean, look--people that DON'T like Palin (or don't like Obama for that matter) will readily believe things that make her them look bad, and dismiss anything that exonerates them--that's JUST human nature, that's the nature of political bias. If you REALLY look at the reasons Palin resigned, how much the ethics complaints were costing her State, if you REALLY looked at the particular laws in Alaska that allow any citizen to file ethics complaints against your governor (and all of them were dismissed by the way), and you were all aware how much in taxpayer money it was costing, she did the right thing in stepping down, so that a governor that was NOT the object of some crazed obsession, could govern, and taxpayer dollars could go in to actual GOVERNING. Compare THAT to Obama, who stayed in the senate and collected $230,000 a year, showed up only a handful of times, while auditioning for a promotion...if anyone had an employee like THAT, who collected a paycheck but showed up only 5 minutes a week, it would be better if THAT employee quit or was fired. Honestly folks, let's have a SERIOUS conversation before you spout 'Palin was a quitter'.

  • March 20, 2010, 7 p.m. CST

    Palin is/was a quitter.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Quit denying reality and deal with it.

  • March 20, 2010, 7:09 p.m. CST

    "Palin is/was a quitter."

    by BurnHollywood

    Yup. Anino's spinning like a top.<p> What the hell kind of governor resigns when they have a 56% approval rating? Shit, by her standards, Obama should've glanced at his Rasmussen numbers and quit on his very first day of office! LMAO

  • March 20, 2010, 7:16 p.m. CST

    Don't understand why conservatives have to defend Palin

    by Stabby

    Liberals don't feel the need to defend Al Sharpton. We know he's an idiot and an opportunist just like Sarah Palin.

  • March 20, 2010, 7:25 p.m. CST

    by DioxholsterReturns

  • March 20, 2010, 7:25 p.m. CST

    Go Palin!

    by DioxholsterReturns

    love her!

  • March 20, 2010, 7:32 p.m. CST

    STARGATE rocks!!!! and Palin knows that!

    by DioxholsterReturns

  • March 20, 2010, 7:38 p.m. CST

    Love Alaska. It's a very beautiful place.

    by Jaka

    But I will not watch this show. Ever.

  • March 20, 2010, 7:49 p.m. CST

    T-bag in STARGATE bitches!!!!

    by DioxholsterReturns

    ya we got TBAG!!!!!

  • March 20, 2010, 7:51 p.m. CST

    Boy, you really gotta hand it to the Tea Party...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    ...because calling Rep. John Lewis a "nigger", Rep. Barney Frank a "faggot", and spitting at Rep. Emanuel Cleaver was such a "classy" and "civil" way to protest today. And the "WARNING: If Brown can't stop it, a Browning can." protest signs are a nice touch. Good grief.<P>Have a nice weekend, folks.

  • March 20, 2010, 7:55 p.m. CST

    Yes, Anino, you're absolutely right!

    by anonymoose

    Palin never quit! She sacrificed herself to save others. Sounds like someone we both should know, right? <P> Palin didn't give up, despite the fact that she did resign. Resign is just a silly word that doesn't mean quitting. Don't look it up in the dictionary, look it up in your gut. It was probably a word made up by THEM, anyway. <P> Osama bin Hussein Biraq, or whatever his name is, is just a puppet of the illuminati. THEY take away all the positive publicity from Sarah and give it to this terrorist we call a president. Of course, he's going to get away with things she wouldn't. <P> Also, Stargate is another brainwashing tool THEY use. Skip it. Just like how Palin doesn't read any news papers or magazines, she doesn't watch TV shows, because they're all controlled by THEM. She has to stay pure for us.

  • March 20, 2010, 8:03 p.m. CST

    T-Bag from prison break is in STARGATE UNIVERSE

    by DioxholsterReturns

    recurring character plays evil soldier guy!!!!! yeah bitches got nothing on stargate now! even t-bag is getting on the action!

  • March 20, 2010, 8:10 p.m. CST

    by Darth_Inedible

  • March 20, 2010, 8:13 p.m. CST

    Demonstrators hurl N-word, spit at black members of Congress

    by American Mythos

    http://tinyurl.com/yzvu3m2 <br> <br> Lovely, huh Cylon?

  • March 20, 2010, 8:24 p.m. CST

    Regarding someof the comments about Massachusetts

    by Superponte

    I live in Massachusetts, and the Health Care they passed here is garbage. Complete and total garbage. No one accepts the "Mass-Health", making it incredibly difficult to find drs. ALSO- its draining our budget faster than anything else in the state- which is sort of a miracle here where spending taxpayer dollars frivolously is almost a religion. Yes, I tend to be conservative, yes I am unhappy with Obama (i did vote for him), and Sarah Palin makes me want to vomit. If she runs against Obama in 2012, Obama gets my vote again.

  • March 20, 2010, 8:24 p.m. CST

    Regarding someof the comments about Massachusetts

    by Superponte

    I live in Massachusetts, and the Health Care they passed here is garbage. Complete and total garbage. No one accepts the "Mass-Health", making it incredibly difficult to find drs. ALSO- its draining our budget faster than anything else in the state- which is sort of a miracle here where spending taxpayer dollars frivolously is almost a religion. Yes, I tend to be conservative, yes I am unhappy with Obama (i did vote for him), and Sarah Palin makes me want to vomit. If she runs against Obama in 2012, Obama gets my vote again.

  • March 20, 2010, 9:18 p.m. CST

    Let's get down to brass tacks.

    by Blood_Bubbles_in_Bathwater

    We as Americans can sit around and debate and debate and debate. I say let's cut the foreplay and get to the violence already. That's the only way we can can truly sort any of this out, and in the meantime it'll be therapeutic.

  • March 21, 2010, 12:19 a.m. CST

    Hairy Nutsack

    by smackfu

    so, if you're not working, how are you getting by? I certainly hope you're not on some form of government financial assistance...aka mooching off hard working Americans...

  • March 21, 2010, 5:17 a.m. CST

    Stupid moronic liberals

    by goatherdingclownhunter

    Fuck all of you stupid liberals. All of you are so paranoid that everybody is racist and so damned CRIPPLED by the fact that not everyone loves gay sex that you spew off about how tragic and unfair everything is. You whine about equality but I bet not one of you has fed a poor person. And for all your talk of tolerance, you hate on anyone who disagrees with your utopian bullshit fantasy opinions. So fuck all of you. You DESERVE socialized medicine.

  • March 21, 2010, 7:12 a.m. CST

    BurnHollywood, you need to LEARN how to COUNT

    by Big Dumb Ape

    I see you arguing with people and shooting your mouth off, throwing people's quotes back at them, yet you're spreading as much bullshit as much as anyone else. You said...<p>"I've not even heard the GOP leadership dare to state that they'll take control of either house in November. The Intrade.com prediction market (which exactly predicted the Oscars this year) doesn't show anything like this outcome at this point...you're aware that the Democratic House majority is presently seventy-five seats, right?"<p>You must have your head buried in the fucking sand if you're going to claim you've NEVER heard of the Republicans claiming they'll take control of either house this fall. For crying out loud, THEY talk about it and so does the media ALL THE FUCKING TIME. Where have you been? The Republican leadership has been talking about it ALL though the fucking healthcare debate, continually throwing it in the faces of the Democrats as a warning as to why they SHOULDN'T vote for Obamacare.<P>As for your math, it sucks. To control the House the Republicans don't need to offset 75 seats. Where the fuck is your brain? To take control they only need 40-41. They have 177 seats now, and they simply need to get to 217-218 to have the majority and the ability to shut the Dems out. Since you don't read the news, I give you CNN...<p>41 IS THE CRUCIAL NUMBER IN 2010 BATTLE<p>Washington (CNN) -- In the battle for Congress, 41 is the crucial number. That's the number of seats the Republicans need to win back from the Democrats in next year's midterm elections to take control of the House of Representatives.<p>Next November, all 435 seats in the House, where Democrats hold an 258-177 advantage, are up for grabs. After winning back Congress in the 2006 contests and increasing their majorities in the 2008 elections, the Democrats will be playing defense next year. Making matters tougher for the Democrats, the country's political landscape has changed this year, mostly to the benefit of Republicans. But will it be enough to get them to 41?

  • March 21, 2010, 10:20 a.m. CST

    BurnHolllywood

    by enemygateisdown

    ...And the quickest rising economy in the present era is the People's Republic of China, population-wise, the largest communist society in human history, predicted to overtake the US by 2030, probably much sooner. WTF does THAT say about the supposed relationship between democracy, freedom and "free markets?" It says that slave labor is the cheapest way to go. Not much eles. Stop using snapshots of an issue to make your points. It's a typical Obammy-like strategy. I worked for GM for 6 years, and its more the fault of the major Unions that pushed our jobs overseas than anyone's. You can't have the inmates run the asylum for too long before Arkam blows up! IBM and the rest were just as fucked for doing the same thing, but that's not any party's fault. As I recall, the real mass migration started under clintons watch, but no one wants to talk about that. I'm not a conservative android, or a liberal zombie. I listened to my college proffesors, but I also understand where they were just spewing their liberal brainwashing cuz they've never done anything outside the classroom. I also saw through Bush's bullshit. Its called using the brain we were born with. Palin isn't the solution. But she's willing to listen to the real people of this country, not just SCIfU and the other Unions who are going to make out like bandits with this new admins crap. Trust me, I'm in one, and yet I think its a load of shiiiiit! But Bammy and Peloski are taking us in the fucking WRONG direction!

  • March 21, 2010, 10:33 a.m. CST

    BUT...

    by enemygateisdown

    I fucking love this sight. where else can you correctly bitch about Gweedo shooting first, what homo they're putting in the next comic adaptation, AND debate Palin's pros and cons. But still, I'd rail the shit out of her, regardless of her views. She might be a little dim, but she is the hottest polition out there!

  • March 21, 2010, 10:54 a.m. CST

    Big Dumb Ape, you need to LEARN to READ...

    by BurnHollywood

    ...Although you SCORE POINTS for being the MOST appropriately named poster on THIS SITE.<p> (Gosh, it gives me such a rush to USE the CAPS LOCK key to sound SELF-IMPORTANT)<p> LOL. Now, where the fuck did I say the Republicans need to win all seventy-five? I'm just trying to emphasize what an uphill battle their (your) little fantasy actually is...the Health Care battle is nearly over, the Tea Baggers are a flash-in-the-pan astroturf creation that could be disastrous to the GOP in primary season, and trying to whine your way back into power is hardly a surefire election strategy. A more succinct, *numerically* based overview is offered at Real Clear Politics:<p> http://tinyurl.com/gop-rep<p> You add the present Toss-ups to the Likely/Lean GOP numbers, then deduct the two Likely/Lean Democrats, and you get 45...enough to take control, with the gigantic caveat that they win at least *eighty percent* of the toss-ups.<p> Toss-ups being toss-ups, fifty percent is a more reasonable achievement. So they're going to have to hope that a nation with an attention span shorter than a gnat's is going to still be steaming over this health care fracas eight months from now, sufficient to actually build momentum from here. Bearing in mind, of course, that a significant percentage of the public that was polled about the thing disapprove of it because it doesn't go far enough (AKA Public Option)...the GOP is just deluding themselves into believing the lack of popularity translates into a crucial wedge issue.<p> And then there's the added delusion that an obstructionist GOP Congress will drag down Obama sufficiently for him to lose in 2012 to...who? Quitter Palin? Do you even *have* a fucking candidate? At all? Anyway, being a stick in the mud didn't win Dole the election courtesy of Gingrich in 1996...could do quite the opposite, given what a bunch of snotnose whiners the GOP look like on TV when they face off against Obama. But then again, if they knew shit about longterm strategy, they would have at least vetted McCain's running mate better...

  • March 21, 2010, 11:25 a.m. CST

    enemygateisdown

    by BurnHollywood

    "Stop using snapshots of an issue to make your points."<p> Stop using snapshots of my argument to think your winning. The point I was trying to make (let me break out a spoon to feed you) was, what does it say about your beloved "free markets" when a totalitarian, communist state is reaping global profits hand over fist, while we actually *borrow* money from them? It tells me there's a gigantic fucking hole in the notion that "free markets" are a guaranteed benefit.<p> Truth is, much as conservatives and libertarians want to believe some nonsense that unions and taxation chased all the jobs away, even they must suspect the ugly truth of the matter: Americans simply can't work cheap enough to compete, even at the minimum wage...shit, even at *illegal immigrant* wages. Profits go where the workforce is cheap and minimally educated enough to get the job done. That means China and India now, then probably Africa when they run into the same wall in twenty-five years. So it goes.<p> Simply put, capitalism doesn't like the US much anymore, certainly not as much as it did in the 1950s, when the rest of the world's industrial base was ruined after WW2 and the relatively untouched American heartland was harvesting the benefits of their misfortune...the REAL reason America became #1. Now we're debt-ridden with a depleted industrial base and a bullshit service economy replacement.<p> But...THAT'S what glorious Free Markets eventually achieve. Money has no loyalty, much less patriotism. And neither do the sleazy fucks who tout the "benefits" even after it helped fuel the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression...

  • March 21, 2010, 11:41 a.m. CST

    If you're defending Palin

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    Watch that embedded video again and rethink your position.

  • March 21, 2010, 12:03 p.m. CST

    BurnHolllywood

    by enemygateisdown

    You don't need to "spoon feed" me anything. Let's not go there. I agree with almost everything you said about the wage issues. Except the illegal wages. They make almost as much as any non-unionized labor source. The jobs will probably go to Africa next, except Somalia, due to the huge profit margins in piracay. But...Capitalism can make a huge difference. Like Mexico, we have a huge amount of untapped natural resourses that we could be utilizing and developing. but while they don't have the capital or infrastructure to acquire them, we do. But the fucking tree-huggers keep blocking our efforts to become energy indipendent. Nuclear, Nat gas, and yes, drilling for OUR oil would create a shit-load of great paying jobs and snap our economy back to #1. And we wouldn't be sending our cash to china, india, or the giant kitty-litter box that is the middle east. Pretty easy fix for us, huh? Solves all of our problems, but the libs don't trust that we could do this and protect the environment. The reason I giving this example is in response to your statement about how we're debt-ridden with a depleted ind. base. I'm not disagreeing with you either on the "sleezy fucks". But the ways out are obvious, without the out-ot-touch granola fuckers, who seem to be ok with capitalism to make their millions, handcuffing us on the road back. But Obama still sucks, and Palin is a better, but not perfect solution. And she will always be hotter!

  • March 21, 2010, 2:23 p.m. CST

    Palin has every right to have her own tv show

    by SirBiatchReturns

    after all, there are countless retards and killers who profit off books, shows, etc.<p>But make no mistake about it - Palin is a dangerous retard.<p> Having her anywhere near the government is a dangerous situation. She is a clown, and anyone who thinks she's worthy of any big govt position should try and realize how brainwashed they are.

  • March 21, 2010, 3:41 p.m. CST

    Looks like the House is voting on the Senate bill

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    Where's cylon_conspiracy? Have all the protests stopped now they're there's no deem and pass?

  • March 21, 2010, 6:15 p.m. CST

    Where's cylon_conspiracy?

    by Mel_Gibsons_Nazi_Dad

    Shouting down a man with parkinsons? Calling members of congress derogatory names? Maybe just yelling at some "faggots"?

  • March 21, 2010, 7:42 p.m. CST

    Putin made a trip to Alaska....

    by BumLove

    ....and reared his head in Palin's rear while Todd was sliding down a hill on his crazy carpet.

  • March 22, 2010, 12:03 a.m. CST

    BurnHollywood, thanks for being a pretentious cock

    by Big Dumb Ape

    Seriously, thanks for posting away and for showing all the world what an arrogant fucking cock you are. No wonder you support an equally pretentious dick like Obama. It must be an emotional bond. But I loved your post. Making fun of my name? Wow! What amazing intellectual debating skills you possess! Did it take the 12-watts of brain power that you possess all day to think of that one? Do you honestly believe that in all my time at AICN I've never had someone who disagreed with me trying to turn my own ID against me? See, unlike you, at least I picked my ID for the right reason, namely to show I have a sense of humor unlike a panty-bunched ass like you. Of course, I do love that you tried to make a point about self importance and using CAPS in a post, but then immediately proceeded to write sentences like: "The REAL reason America..." or "But THAT'S what free markets..."<p>And to top it off, you showcase your own delusional sense of self worth by actually typing "LOL" to laugh at your own snarkiness. Which, in hindsight, I guess makes sense since miserable douches like you never have any friends in life. So, I guess laughing at your own lines is pretty common in your life.<p>As for what you wrote, thanks for proving me right. You clearly inferred in your original post that the Republicans would need a 75 seat gain, which I successfully refuted, citing numbers and link. And now you're resorted to looking like nothing more than a squirming worm, as you try to make arguments as silly as "Yeah, but you'd really need THIS or need THAT to make it work"... blah, blah, blah... more hot air coming out of your mouth and ass. The bottom line is the Republicans DON'T need 75 seats in the fall, they only need a bit more than half that amount.<p>But, hey, I'll happily look for you in November on these boards, when the Republicans and Independents do pick up those 41 seats and the Dems lose the house -- at which point I'm sure it will be highly entertaining to read your next wave of stupefyingly silly posts where you blather on about how it really isn't a loss for Obama or the Dems.

  • March 22, 2010, 3:06 a.m. CST

    enemygateisdown

    by BurnHollywood

    "Like Mexico, we have a huge amount of untapped natural resourses that we could be utilizing and developing. but while they don't have the capital or infrastructure to acquire them, we do. But the fucking tree-huggers keep blocking our efforts to become energy indipendent."<p> Actually, our lack of energy independence has much less to to do with environmentalists than with the laws of capitalism. See, if something is cheap and abundant, it's no longer a commodity, is it? And it's the business of oil and energy companies to be in charge of a valuable commodity...this is why this country hasn't had any new refineries since the 70s. Control the resource and you control the prices. What's more, there's also the added bonus of the untapped resource staying put and increasing in worth without any action being taken with it. It's a total win-win situation for the energy sector, even if it screws the rest of the nation's industries, but that's not their problem...<p> It's like if a famous artist dies, and you had all his remaining works. Do you have an auction immediately after his funeral and sell them at cut rate prices, or do you parcel them out, piece by piece while his fans and art-lovers wait patiently at your door with their wallets open? Same principle.<p> Or as a famous SF novel once put it..."He who controls the Spice controls the universe."

  • March 22, 2010, 3:17 a.m. CST

    Big Dumb Ape

    by BurnHollywood

    "See, unlike you, at least I picked my ID for the right reason, namely to show I have a sense of humor unlike a panty-bunched ass like you."<p> Yeah, you sound like a *really* fun guy who's not given to conniption fits. Something tells me I'm the only one of us laughing this morning...Pelosi has a grin like Norman Bate's mother, but it still cheers me up to see it...<p> November's quite a ways off, and now that this divisive matter is settled, Obama's quite wisely moving on to financial regulatory reform, which is a much more marketable piece of legislation...unless you're a banker. A few hundred million Americans who got screwed by this recession aren't, and everybody loves to see a glutton get his just desserts.<p> Should be an entertaining eight months. Ciao.

  • March 22, 2010, 8:35 a.m. CST

    BDA

    by BringingSexyBack

    With all due respect, I can't see how anyone can view Obama as a pretentious dick. He is simply the least pretentious, most humble man to occupy the WH since Carter. <P> Healthcare reform will transform the country for the better. Now that the insurance companies are more tightly regulated and held responsible to the insured, you can bet they'll be pushing for more wellness programs and education for healthy living. The insurance and medical industries will put the screws to the food industry for sure. That's gonna be a huge win side-effect for the people.

  • March 22, 2010, 8:38 a.m. CST

    I THINK DAVID FRUM GOES TO THE HEART OF THE MATTER HERE

    by BringingSexyBack

    Waterloo <p> March 21st, 2010 at 4:59 pm by <p> David Frum | 153 Comments | Share <p> Conservatives and Republicans today suffered their most crushing legislative defeat since the 1960s. <p> It’s hard to exaggerate the magnitude of the disaster. Conservatives may cheer themselves that they’ll compensate for today’s expected vote with a big win in the November 2010 elections. But: <p> (1) It’s a good bet that conservatives are over-optimistic about November – by then the economy will have improved and the immediate goodies in the healthcare bill will be reaching key voting blocs. <p> (2) So what? Legislative majorities come and go. This healthcare bill is forever. A win in November is very poor compensation for this debacle now. <p> So far, I think a lot of conservatives will agree with me. Now comes the hard lesson: <p> A huge part of the blame for today’s disaster attaches to conservatives and Republicans ourselves. <p> At the beginning of this process we made a strategic decision: unlike, say, Democrats in 2001 when President Bush proposed his first tax cut, we would make no deal with the administration. No negotiations, no compromise, nothing. We were going for all the marbles. This would be Obama’s Waterloo – just as healthcare was Clinton’s in 1994. <p> Only, the hardliners overlooked a few key facts: Obama was elected with 53% of the vote, not Clinton’s 42%. The liberal block within the Democratic congressional caucus is bigger and stronger than it was in 1993-94. And of course the Democrats also remember their history, and also remember the consequences of their 1994 failure. <p> This time, when we went for all the marbles, we ended with none. <p> Could a deal have been reached? Who knows? But we do know that the gap between this plan and traditional Republican ideas is not very big. The Obama plan has a broad family resemblance to Mitt Romney’s Massachusetts plan. It builds on ideas developed at the Heritage Foundation in the early 1990s that formed the basis for Republican counter-proposals to Clintoncare in 1993-1994. <p> Barack Obama badly wanted Republican votes for his plan. Could we have leveraged his desire to align the plan more closely with conservative views? To finance it without redistributive taxes on productive enterprise – without weighing so heavily on small business – without expanding Medicaid? Too late now. They are all the law. <p> No illusions please: This bill will not be repealed. Even if Republicans scored a 1994 style landslide in November, how many votes could we muster to re-open the “doughnut hole” and charge seniors more for prescription drugs? How many votes to re-allow insurers to rescind policies when they discover a pre-existing condition? How many votes to banish 25 year olds from their parents’ insurance coverage? And even if the votes were there – would President Obama sign such a repeal? <p> We followed the most radical voices in the party and the movement, and they led us to abject and irreversible defeat. <p> There were leaders who knew better, who would have liked to deal. But they were trapped. Conservative talkers on Fox and talk radio had whipped the Republican voting base into such a frenzy that deal-making was rendered impossible. How do you negotiate with somebody who wants to murder your grandmother? Or – more exactly – with somebody whom your voters have been persuaded to believe wants to murder their grandmother? <p> I’ve been on a soapbox for months now about the harm that our overheated talk is doing to us. Yes it mobilizes supporters – but by mobilizing them with hysterical accusations and pseudo-information, overheated talk has made it impossible for representatives to represent and elected leaders to lead. The real leaders are on TV and radio, and they have very different imperatives from people in government. Talk radio thrives on confrontation and recrimination. When Rush Limbaugh said that he wanted President Obama to fail, he was intelligently explaining his own interests. What he omitted to say – but what is equally true – is that he also wants Republicans to fail. If Republicans succeed – if they govern successfully in office and negotiate attractive compromises out of office – Rush’s listeners get less angry. And if they are less angry, they listen to the radio less, and hear fewer ads for Sleepnumber beds. <p> So today’s defeat for free-market economics and Republican values is a huge win for the conservative entertainment industry. Their listeners and viewers will now be even more enraged, even more frustrated, even more disappointed in everybody except the responsibility-free talkers on television and radio. For them, it’s mission accomplished. For the cause they purport to represent, it’s Waterloo all right: ours.

  • March 22, 2010, 2:19 p.m. CST

    THE SHAT GOT THE B-DAY PRESENT OF A LIFETIME

    by BringingSexyBack

    Healthcare Reform. Like Star Trek itself, the future is now.

  • March 22, 2010, 4 p.m. CST

    MCGOOCAIN

    by BringingSexyBack

    Tell me about it. All that fear-mongering for naught. That's the thing about Republicans. Before it was all about Iraq's WMDs and mushroom clouds. This time it was death panels, killing babies and grandmas. <P> There is no limit to the lies they tell to whip up hysteria. What amazes more is how gullible some people are to buy into them. <P> Anyway, I'm glad grandma and grandpa now don't have to worry about paying out $1,000s on medication they already paid for in premiums. That donut-hole gap in coverage is a real burden to many. And no longer do people have to worry about getting dropped after they've paid a ton in premiums for years. I always considered "pre-existing condition" to be outright theft of premium dollars. Now that theft is rightly outlawed. <P> It'll be funny to watch John Boehner, Jim DeMint, Eric Cantor, and the rest of the hysterical Right scream about healthcare until November, when Obama has moved on to financial reform and jobs.

  • March 22, 2010, 4:18 p.m. CST

    I'D ALSO PROPOSE THAT IN IMMIGRATION REFORM

    by BringingSexyBack

    There is a special surtax on illegals who are given amnesty and is to be used to help fund Medicare and Social Security. What do you think? A higher level of taxation on illegals is more than fair, given the opportunity to naturalize.

  • March 22, 2010, 8 p.m. CST

    Bringing Sexy, that will never happen

    by Starship Captain

    Illegals should have to pay fucking HUGE surtaxes as part of becoming citizens, in part as fines for having broken the law and to pump massive amounts of money into services they're now going to benefit from. Or to help recoup the money they've drained from social services for years. I'm sure California would like illegals to pay back a bulk of the money they drained from the state. This year alone it accounted for nearly $20 billion and 1/3 of California's budget deficit.<p>But it ain't ever gonna happen. Fucking bleeding heart liberals don't have the heart or spine to do it. If anything, the left will be arguing the direst opposite and say "These people were picking lettuce or doing construction jobs for below minimum wages! They were used as slave labor! So since you pimped them and saved money that way, now you owe it to them to not charge them any fines or surtaxes! That way it finally balances out!"<p>But I hope Obama does shift into immigration, because as pissed as people were over healthcare, they get even more angry about amnesty for illegals. So a few months of arguing over that should ensure a massive tidal wave of democratic losses in November.

  • March 23, 2010, 12:52 a.m. CST

    Starship Captain

    by BurnHollywood

    "Illegals should have to pay fucking HUGE surtaxes as part of becoming citizens, in part as fines for having broken the law and to pump massive amounts of money into services they're now going to benefit from."<p> If they "have" to pay "huge fucking surtaxes", then they're not going to bother to correct their situation and become "legal", and the problem will stay the same...people sneaking over the border, working for bargain basement wages, faking IDs to get licenses and gov't benefits, being pack mules for narcotics, etc. Good for the sweatshops and drug traffickers, bad for Mexicans, Central Americans, etc, and bad for the average taxpayer/worker.<p> Jeezus...do right-wingers EVER bother to do the math, or do they just blurt out the most kneejerk, hardass reaction possible on every topic?<p> (Don't answer...I know the answer to that question...)

  • March 23, 2010, 7:36 a.m. CST

    BurnHollywood, feel free to blow me

    by Starship Captain

    Thanks for completely proving my point, butthole. Like I said before: the Left doesn't have the spine or conviction to do what's right when it comes to illegals. And just as I predicted, now you don't even want to fine them because it will hurt their poor little feelings. Oh, boo-hoo and cry me a river! If they go hiding underground again, the now's all the more reason to hunt them down in a big clearing house way. Least then we can say "You were offered a deal that you passed on, so now your ass is getting tossed back over the border. Fuck you and don't come back!"<p>As for your statement about right-wingers just blurting out "the most kneejerk, hardass reaction" keep in mind it was BringingSexyBack who stated we need to impose surcharges on the illegals. I was simply agreeing with him.<p>Damn, Big Ape was right about you.<p>You really are a pretentious cock.

  • March 23, 2010, 9:37 a.m. CST

    If you even had a dick and balls, Starship Captain...

    by BurnHollywood

    ...I still wouldn't touch it with your mom's wrinkled mouth.<p> If you had two brain cells that could work together in tandem for even the most basic of logic problems, you'd easily see that if you make the penalty for doing the right thing too steep, no one will do it. Duh.<p> And as for "hunting them down"...gosh, they've only been trying to do that for about four of five decades now. But just to be sure, go phone up the nearest branch of the Bureau of Citizenship and Immigration Service and tell them your brilliant idea. I'm sure they'll be struck dumb by your stunning insight.<p> Oh, and be sure to say "Hi" to Big Dumbass Ape Turd at the gay bar you guys hang out at. He'll probably be crying into an appletini at the spanking his beloved GOP just got over the weekend. Cheer him up and let him give you a golden shower.

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