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Ahoy, squirts! Quint here with a look at a movie I saw during today’s SXSW craziness called AMERICAN: THE BILL HICKS STORY.

If you have no idea who Bill Hicks is, I implore you to seek out his work. Go to YouTube and watch every bit of his stand-up you can find. Order or borrow his albums Arizona Bay and Rant in E-Minor. Bill Hicks was absolutely in the same league as George Carlin, Lenny Bruce and Richard Pryor and had he not died of pancreatic cancer at the age of 32 I think he’d be just as well known as those three men, too. The personality I was familiar with was the opinionated, loud, intellectual, biting, borderline insulting comic from his later career. In my ignorance I thought that was Hicks from day one, but this movie, made with the cooperation of Bill’s close friends and family, showed me everything that led up to the Bill Hicks I knew, the good and the bad. Interestingly enough, as a teenager Hicks took his messing around with friend Dwight Slade on the stage and his act involved zero cursing. When the movie gets to the point where Hicks steps on stage for the first time in a newly formed Houston comedy club I expected the normal story… talented artist tries his craft for the first time, fails, but succeeds in the end. Nope, that guy knocked it out of the park first time out. But he did it in a way that didn’t really resemble the Bill Hicks that became semi-famous before his death in 1994 and a worshipped God of comedy after. The only similarity is that both are fucking funny. The footage from Bill Hicks’ early stand-up show-cases his talent as a storyteller and the ability he had to bring an audience along beat by beat, setting them up like a magician with a real story then coming out of nowhere with the funny. Bill’s journey was similar to many artists. Drugs, alcohol, temperamental mood swings, the works. But unlike most such stories Hicks righted himself, kicked the booze, kicked the drugs (even though it seems him using mushrooms was what took him to the next level as a person and comedian) and didn’t lose any of his edge because of it. I won’t run through Hicks’ entire story, but that’s one of the joys of this documentary… getting a real glimpse at such a complicated and brilliant man and all without turning into a talking heads style documentary. Much as been made about this documentary’s use of animation and it’s pretty damn great. Directors Matt Harlock and Paul Thomas use thousands of archival photos of Hicks from infancy all the way up to days before his death as a starting point and bring them to life in fascinating ways. The animation here isn’t traditional animation, but a subtler kind that gives life to stories told by Hicks’ closest friends and family. Sometimes Harlock and Thomas cut back and forth between pictures like it’s a scene in a feature film and sometimes they’ll use motion from a series of stills that make a 16 year old Bill Hicks look like he’s turning around and looking at us. Sometimes they pull the focus of a particular photo out and drop the background far back. There’s also a ton of home videos, footage from early performances and even a particularly incredible piece where Hicks picked up a tape recorder and started discussing his deep-rooted fears of having to live up to being funny. It’s a raw and honest moment of insecurity from someone who just oozes confidence in every bit of moving footage I’ve ever seen. He explains that if he’s not funny he’s lost everything. He didn’t go to college, go for the easy life of finding a high paying, unfulfilling life and without comedy he has nothing and that thought terrifies him. Considering he told this to a tape recorder and not a human being makes it even that much more personal. I almost felt guilty listening to it. Visually the movie’s fantastic and it does act as a bit of a highlight reel of Hicks’ best material. The people surrounding me were laughing just as hard as I was knowing most of the later material. I don’t know for sure, but I had the feeling that the young guys sitting around me weren’t very familiar with Hicks before the film and seeing them bent over wheezing for breath as Hicks unleashed his particular form of comedy genius made me smile. There was a preacher quality to Hicks. He combined comedy with real insight into the machinations of the world we live in, cutting through bullshit immediately and offering up a positive message of hope and love. He was a fascinating man and AMERICAN: THE BILL HICKS STORY is a fascinating and incredibly entertaining movie. I’d love it if someone like HBO Films stepped in to take the film, give it a limited release and play the ever-loving shit out of it on their cable channels. After the film directors Matt Harlock and Paul Thomas took the stage. They were joined by Bill Hicks’ brother Steve. Bill’s mother was in the audience as well. It was clear they were emotional about the film. I also got a sense of great pride in Steve’s voice when talking about his brother and Steve and his family’s desire to spread Bill’s message. Steve said there is 150 hours of never before seen video of Bill Hicks performing, over 200 hours of never released audio and a shoebox filled with tapes of Bill’s music recorded while he was on the road. Steve went to Abbey Road and mastered all of the music and he expects around Fall of 2010 we’ll be seeing some of all this unreleased material start to be put out there. I, for one, can’t wait. Here’s the trailer to the flick. It really is a strong documentary that covers all the bases… it’s entertaining, informative and completely absorbing. Definitely keep your eye out for it.

-Quint quint@aintitcool.com Follow Me On Twitter



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  • March 16, 2010, 6:37 a.m. CST

    First

    by surfsup22

    I can't wait to see this. Hicks was not only funny but made you think.

  • March 16, 2010, 6:39 a.m. CST

    second

    by mojoman69

  • March 16, 2010, 6:39 a.m. CST

    second

    by mojoman69

  • March 16, 2010, 6:40 a.m. CST

    Bill Hicks was truly awesome

    by mojoman69

    and underrated

  • March 16, 2010, 6:42 a.m. CST

    Sold!

    by Player_Two_has_entered_the_game

    Like many I've played the shit out of all of his stuff available. I can't wait! Need more Hicks!

  • March 16, 2010, 6:53 a.m. CST

    The guy was the greatest of the comedy giants.

    by Hint_of_Smegma

    Like he said himself, everyone who comes to help humanity is killed. Fucking cancer, man. He was a genius and the biggest loss to comedy happened when he went.

  • March 16, 2010, 6:54 a.m. CST

    I had the great pleasure to see him perform live

    by jawsfan

    during a week of shows at a comedy club in Memphis sometime in the late Eighties. Yes, we (the staff at the club) all knew we were witnessing one of the greatest stand-ups of all time, even at his young age. I grabbed up all of his CDs as they were released. He is forever among my top three favorite comics of all time.

  • March 16, 2010, 6:55 a.m. CST

    Bill Hicks was in inspiration

    by sonnyfern

    Tool loves him, he was a huge influence on Garth Ennis's book, "Preacher", you see him once you'll never forget him. He was the greatest comedian there was. Here's what Ennis said about him- in Preacher "I hate a lie, my own most of all. They keep us crawlin' in the dust when we could and should be climbing for the stars. Bill Hicks knew that didn't he? And a guy who'll tell the truth in this world of bullshit is worth his weight in gold." If you don't know who Bill Hikcs was...now is the time to find out.

  • March 16, 2010, 7 a.m. CST

    Jesus/Cross/Rifle Pendant

    by DannyOcean01

    And his physical comedy surrounding that joke is my favourite skit of his. His waggling thumbs-up to the audience just fucking nails it. He's got such a cult following, and forgive me if I'm wrong, but he seemed to be more popular in the UK than in the States. I think the only criticisms I've heard are based on that cult following. The usual, 'Oh he's so overrated' guff that really doesn't have any argument behind it. I think my first taste of him was his cameo in Garth Ennis' Preacher and from there I tracked down the CDs, recordings, videos etc. Fucking tragedy he went so soon.

  • March 16, 2010, 7:01 a.m. CST

    BILL HICKS KICKED FUCKING ASS!!!

    by TehCreepyThinMan

  • March 16, 2010, 7:04 a.m. CST

    Bill Hicks was a Man-God

    by DOGSOUP

    The ride is good, man, the ride is good.

  • March 16, 2010, 7:09 a.m. CST

    Greatest comedian I've ever seen.

    by V'Shael

    I like Doug Stanhope too, but too many reviewers compare him to Hicks, and it's not a fair comparison. <p> Stanhope himself doesn't like it, and opened one set of gigs with "If I can get one more reviewer to say I'm the heir to Bill Hicks, I think I can sue his estate as a dependent."

  • But I guess not.

  • March 16, 2010, 7:19 a.m. CST

    Keep my cock out for it?

    by ISleptWithKathyBatesAndAllThatIGotWasThisStupidTalkbackName

  • March 16, 2010, 7:21 a.m. CST

    Please delete "cock" out of your last sentence Quint

    by ISleptWithKathyBatesAndAllThatIGotWasThisStupidTalkbackName

  • March 16, 2010, 7:22 a.m. CST

    You listened to me! Thanks Quint

    by ISleptWithKathyBatesAndAllThatIGotWasThisStupidTalkbackName

    That line was just weird. Now it just makes no sense.

  • March 16, 2010, 7:23 a.m. CST

    Meh. I'll wait for the Sam Kinison story.

    by Strelnikov!

  • March 16, 2010, 7:33 a.m. CST

    If only he was around in G.W's era

    by MontyPigeon

    That would have been some of the best stand up ever seen. So much material to use and he would've went down as probably the greatest stand up ever.

  • March 16, 2010, 7:36 a.m. CST

    Saw him in Edinburgh

    by Mr_P

    Can't believe he was just 32 to when he died, magic comedian though

  • March 16, 2010, 7:37 a.m. CST

    Not really funny or a comedian

    by brobdingnag

    He was popular for spouting liberal collectivist gibberish. He really had no appeal beyond that and is not even close to being as talented as someone like Richard Pryor or any of the others that he is continually compared to.

  • March 16, 2010, 7:41 a.m. CST

    BETTER

    by cynicusprime

    ...than Carlin, Bruce, and Pryor. Hicks is a legend and always will be. Can't wait to see this.

  • March 16, 2010, 7:45 a.m. CST

    A brilliant comic/satirist, way ahead of his time

    by KillaKane

    Can't wait to see this.

  • March 16, 2010, 7:46 a.m. CST

    Saw Hicks and Kinison. Both were equal in my eyes.

    by 2for2true

    Anyone who says one was better than the other either saw one of them on a bad night or was too stoned to realize true comic greatness.

  • March 16, 2010, 7:57 a.m. CST

    Genius on every level.

    by Gabba-UK

    Top of my must see movies list. Can't wait.

  • March 16, 2010, 8:01 a.m. CST

    V'Shael

    by Duke_Whittington

    The Cynthia True book of Hicks' life is called American Scream. Just watched the trailer on my computer at work and I think it would really help if it had sound. Can't wait to see this though. Said book makes me cry like a girl whenever I read it. I miss Goat Boy.

  • March 16, 2010, 8:04 a.m. CST

    Brobdingnag

    by Harold-Sherbort

    Left leaning? Hardly. Check your facts.

  • March 16, 2010, 8:14 a.m. CST

    Abosolutely THE BEST

    by motivotion

    A fuckin prophet.

  • March 16, 2010, 8:23 a.m. CST

    Brobdingnag

    by SLY_STALLONES_COCK_VEIN

    I havent contributed to a talkback in a while but I just had to sign in to let you know that you are a trolling cunt. That is all.

  • March 16, 2010, 8:24 a.m. CST

    The material he left behind is fried gold.

    by Duke_Whittington

    One of the few comedians elevated to rock legend status. Don't think there's anybody like that around today. He never sold out and worked his socks off until the tragic end, ironically just as he was making it big. Please don't let Russell Crowe turn his life story into a film. This documentary is all that we need. Aside from the doc that Channel Four made a few years back...

  • March 16, 2010, 8:28 a.m. CST

    My own personal Jesus. I mean that.

    by HarryBlackPotter

    Genius, prophet, micro-phone hitman, rebel, visionary, anarchist...and the funniest man on the planet. Ever. There will never be another like him.

  • March 16, 2010, 8:40 a.m. CST

    I have no use for this douchebag...

    by xXxJamiexXx

    or his overrated comedic stylings. He had a penchant for making fun of veterans which automatically makes me want to stomp his face in. I did two tours in Iraq and one in Afghanistan so yeah you can see where my animosity stems from.

  • March 16, 2010, 8:49 a.m. CST

    Bill Hicks talking about Jay Leno...

    by BumLove

    ...and Howard Stern talking about it: <p> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cALi_0AsfA&feature=fvst

  • March 16, 2010, 8:51 a.m. CST

    Can't wait

    by Azby

    My user name is Arizona Bay abbreviated...so yeah I'm a fan.

  • March 16, 2010, 8:54 a.m. CST

    brobdingnag

    by PTSDPete

    Uhm.... </p></p></p>What ?</p>

  • March 16, 2010, 8:56 a.m. CST

    xXxJamiexXx

    by PTSDPete

    YOU'RE the douchebag.</p> Go stage a military coup, or something, jockshit prick. </p>

  • March 16, 2010, 8:57 a.m. CST

    Bill Hicks is too smart for the teabagger generation

    by PTSDPete

    Way ahead of THIS time.

  • March 16, 2010, 8:59 a.m. CST

    I despise this era

    by PTSDPete

    Who died and let these Glenn Beck dumbasses breathe our air...

  • March 16, 2010, 9 a.m. CST

    I mean, fuck

    by PTSDPete

    FFFFUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • March 16, 2010, 9:24 a.m. CST

    Why so much fucking cursing?

    by MC_DLyte

    I dont not understand why a fuck fuckers feel such a need to use somuch cursing to be funny. Maybe they should try a more serious approaches like me? http://tinyurl.com/ykjxpll

  • March 16, 2010, 9:25 a.m. CST

    xXxJamiexXx, stems from brainwashing or

    by Player_Two_has_entered_the_game

    stupidity? I don't remember a routine where he ever made fun of veterans. What are you talking about!?

  • March 16, 2010, 9:33 a.m. CST

    My personal comedy God

    by CrazyJoeDavola

  • March 16, 2010, 9:41 a.m. CST

    do you want a cookie xXxJamiexXx?

    by Star Hump

    You did three tours? You signed up for that bullshit, right? You chose it. Good for you. Now that you're back from your big adventure you can find the time to pull your head out of your ass, emerge from the bubble world that is the military and get your facts straight about Bill Hicks.

  • March 16, 2010, 9:45 a.m. CST

    Bill was pretty badass...

    by blackmantis

    I think his biggest flaw was that he got too condescending with his audience from time to time. Carlin did a lot of the same type of material but managed to cloak it a little better and without insulting his audience.

  • March 16, 2010, 9:50 a.m. CST

    Star Hump

    by Shitty_O_Cuntfuck

    Thumbs up to you sir.

  • March 16, 2010, 10:08 a.m. CST

    Bill Hicks was a better comedian then

    by Chadley BeBay

    George Carlin, he is absolutely ABOVE the league of Carlin, Bruce, and even Pryor I would argue for a lifetime. I will sit down with you, Taint, and put on the best special by each of those mentioned comedians, and we will see whose standup is the best.

  • March 16, 2010, 10:12 a.m. CST

    If you really hate Hicks' comedy...

    by ebonic_plague

    ...it's because you're the punch line. <p> I really wish I could have seen him live, and absolutely can't wait to see this movie. Bill is truly one of my heroes. I know he's kicking back in heaven, smoking a cigarette rolled by Jesus and listening to Hendrix on harp...

  • March 16, 2010, 10:25 a.m. CST

    wheres that whiney cunt now

    by Waka_Flocka

    they reviewed it you shit-stabber

  • March 16, 2010, 10:27 a.m. CST

    ebonic_plague

    by Chadley BeBay

    "smoking a cigarette rolled by Jesus.." You said he is your hero... did you ever see his act? Do you know what he is about? Clearly not

  • March 16, 2010, 10:30 a.m. CST

    brobdingnag

    by Chadley BeBay

    If I could stick a cement middle finger up your ass so far it explodes your head, I would. You fucking dirtball. Must suck to be you. just please die.

  • March 16, 2010, 10:34 a.m. CST

    Yeah, clearly not.

    by ebonic_plague

    "It is hard to quit smoking. Every one of them looks real good to me right now. Every cigarette looks like it was made by God, rolled by Jesus and moistened shut with Claudia Schiffer's pussy right now." <p> And if there's any justice in the universe, Bill IS smoking a cigarette in heaven, without any fear of consequence... it IS heaven, after all! <p> http://tinyurl.com/yecb3bn

  • March 16, 2010, 10:38 a.m. CST

    Chadley BeBay

    by Life Proof

    epic fail

  • March 16, 2010, 10:44 a.m. CST

    xXxJamiexXx, does being a veteran exempt you?

    by kevred

    With all due respect to your service, being a veteran doesn't exempt you from being made fun of or pilloried--or savaged--any more than the American flag is exempt from being burned. It's freedom you fought for, and it's freedom you've got. If you don't believe that, then what were you fighting for? The right to be above any criticism?<p>It's that type of mindset--we are holy, and we can judge but not be judged in return--which was the target of so much of Hicks's rants. You don't have to like Hicks, but the man was a true believer in freedom--moreso than most conservatives who define it too narrowly.

  • March 16, 2010, 10:49 a.m. CST

    Fantastic. Hicks was brilliant. Looking forward to this.

    by kevred

    Watching a little bit of Hicks makes pretty much everything which came after him seem timid and regressive in comparison. Even Dave Chappelle, who was so incredibly gifted and pushed a lot of boundaries, is soft in comparison to Hicks. All comedy today is just a peep in the shadow of his echo.

  • March 16, 2010, 10:53 a.m. CST

    The greatest, the best

    by moviemaniac-7

    From time to time I wonder what Bill would think of these fucked up times...

  • March 16, 2010, 10:55 a.m. CST

    xXxJamiexXx

    by PatientZer0

    You're a moron. I'm a veteran, and I was in the infantry, and I did my tours you fucking pogue. As a REAL soldier, I understood EXACTLY what the Goatboy was talking about. I can recall practically every line of his published standup and he never had anything but FUNNY ASS TRUTH to say about the military. Here's my favorite line: "Anyone DUMB ENOUGH to join the military should be allowed to serve." YEP. Sums up my time in the infantry pretty damn well. You cocksmoker.

  • March 16, 2010, 11:04 a.m. CST

    "I pulled up G-12"

    by V'Shael

    My personal favourite line about the military. <p> "What does G-12 do Tommy?" <br> "Hmm. Lemme check the catalog here... It says it destroys everything but the fillings in their teeth."<br> "Sounds good. (Pull up G-12)"<br> "Fire!"<br> *Distant explosion" <br> "Cool. What's G-13 do?"

  • March 16, 2010, 11:10 a.m. CST

    Someone actually said Hicks was "underrated"?

    by Coughlins Laws

    Really? How can someone you guys are calling the best comedian ever be underrated?

  • March 16, 2010, 11:12 a.m. CST

    love hicks..but he was no carlin.

    by FleshMachine

    carlin was the greatest "comedian" in history...bill hick was more like what david cross is now.

  • March 16, 2010, 11:13 a.m. CST

    david cross > bill hicks.

    by FleshMachine

    similar styles..but cross is a fucking genius...hick was no genius..he's great dont get me wrong..but he was just a really pissed off guy. a lot of his stuff was more like kinison.

  • March 16, 2010, 11:14 a.m. CST

    carlin > cross > hicks > kinison.

    by FleshMachine

    in order of greatness.

  • March 16, 2010, 11:15 a.m. CST

    His Chicago meltdown is favorite video.

    by mjgtexas

    I wonder if they ever found that drunk cunt's body after the show.

  • March 16, 2010, 11:17 a.m. CST

    Prying open my third eye.

    by knowthyself

    Just have to mention I discovered Hicks on Tool's Aenema album. Then saw his stand up and loved it.

  • March 16, 2010, 11:18 a.m. CST

    Bill Hicks sucks at comedy.

    by mr teaspoon

    Fact. I agree with some/most of his philosophy, and in that sense he's a cool dude, but unlike George Carlin he could never make it FUNNY.

  • March 16, 2010, 11:24 a.m. CST

    FleshMachine, I disagree

    by ebonic_plague

    Hicks > Carlin > Kinison > Cross > Stanhope (I guess) >>>>>>> Leary <p> If you want to talk about guys who are just bitter and pissed off, look no further than Leary, Stern, Norton, and even Colin Quinn. If you couldn't see the undercurrent of frustrated-but-tenacious optimism apparent in Hicks' stand-up, you're not paying enough attention.

  • March 16, 2010, 11:25 a.m. CST

    apt social commentary..but not very funny.

    by FleshMachine

    some of his stuff was funny...a lot was not...unlike carlin and cross who target the exact same themes...they keep me laughing non-stop.

  • March 16, 2010, 11:28 a.m. CST

    Hicks' self fulfilling prophecy

    by American Mythos

    He hated mediocrity. He hated the fact that people who tried to save humanity died young while people like Reagan lived on like Jason Vorhees. Bill could have pulled out the same exact routine, almost word for word, and applied it to Cheney and his five (is it up to six now?) heart attacks while someone like Paul Wellstone (former Senator from Minnesota, was against the Iraq "war") died in a plane crash two weeks before the election that saw a fucking ballsack like Norm Coleman take his seat. Still, most of the shit Bill talked about would have been ahead of his time today. I can only imagine how a Hicks routine on 9-11 would have gotten shit heaped at his feet (I'd bet both testacles Bill would not have sympathized at all with the U.S.). As a youngin', I just stumbled upon Hicks in the last year, and I would only love for people my age to listen to his stuff and see how wasted their lives have been on the likes of d-bags like George Lopez, Dane Cook, Jeff Dunham, and pretty much every comedian alive today.

  • March 16, 2010, 11:30 a.m. CST

    Thanks guys.

    by schadenfreudian

    Glad to see this got some coverage. I cannot wait to see this one.

  • March 16, 2010, 11:37 a.m. CST

    Hicks Biographies

    by schadenfreudian

    If you can get your hands on a copy of Bill Hicks: Agent of Evolution, do it. I found it to be way more informative and insightful than American Scream.

  • March 16, 2010, 11:39 a.m. CST

    Wow, the Hicks disciples are in full effect

    by spud mcspud

    The guy made some very important points, he made a lot of sense and was funy most of the time.<P> However...<P> Going after Christianity? Fine, so we know the family connection, but going after a religion mainly known for peace and love is a bit fucking soft when there's nutjobs out there stoning eleven-year old girls to death for "adultery" ("adultery" meaning not giving in to being raped by the village elders). Fuck, even Jeff Dunham (who I think is at least as funny but way less popular with you Hicks acolytes) went after Islam. But no, Bill goes after the religion that espouses "Do unto others as you'd have them do unto you". Oh, and this from a man who says that "YOU'RE right! Not those fuckers who want to tell you what to think - YOU!"<P> You're right? Well, unless you disagree with Hicks, you are.<P> And the smoking. Wow. How is it that Hicks gets deified for shit like being defiant about authority via the medium of refusing to denounce the pleasure of smoking - but Denis Leary (who ripped Hicks off big time) doesn't? Leary's smoking rant was funnier, but neither was all that mature, and certainly not comedy gold. Goatboy was fucking tedious, and the only thing I think still stands up was his plea for anyone involved in marketing or advertising to kill themselves.<P> Bill. Guy. They HAVE NO FUCKING SOULS. Why the hell would they think to do that? Aren't you crediting the butt of your joke with more intelligence and conscience than they actually have?<P> Oh, and as for slagging off the military? Here in the UK, much as it is there in the US, the military DO WHAT THEY ARE TOLD. Soldiers don't think about the morality of what theyre doing before they do it - they're TRAINED NOT TO. Good soldiers obey orders. That's what they're paid for. So if you have a problem with what they do, GO AFTER THE FUCKING POLITICIANS WHO PUT THEM THERE, do NOT go after the soldiers. After all's said and done, the Hicks critics are right about this: were it not for the military protecting said freedoms, people like Bill Hicks wouldn't get to say what they want. It's the military who protect the country. For all his stand-up and preaching (because, like it or not, Hicks was more a preacher than he EVER was a comic - most of his routines are just rants made funny), when did Hicks ever do anything as important as take up a gun, stand a post, and defend his country against those seeking to destroy it?<P> It's easier to do what Hicks did than what your average soldier does. When's the last time you heard of a cmoedian with PTSD?<P> Hicks was sporadically funny, always angry, and mostly made sense. But when he was wrong - man, what a drug-addled leftie hypocrite. His legacy would be greater if he was at least a consistent angry comic, rather than the confused, condescending, hypocritical bitter comic he became...

  • March 16, 2010, 11:40 a.m. CST

    PS- Waka Flocka

    by schadenfreudian

    Just saw your little love note for me. I can't be bothered to tell you to go fuck yourself... <br> Oh wait, yes I can. Go fuck yourself.

  • March 16, 2010, 11:44 a.m. CST

    Aaaaaaand... cue the backlash.

    by spud mcspud

    Which will consist of the following:<P> Spud doesn't understand where Bill was coming from.<P> Spud is a right-wing capitalist psychopath who doesn't know SHIT.<P> Spud doesn't get that despite all the rants and bile, Bill was basically optimistic - the bile was his reaction to him being one of the very few who understood how great the world COULD be.<P> Spud can eat a bag of dicks.<P> Spud is too dumb to get what Bill was saying.<P> Spud is one of those sheeple Christian types who believes everything he's told and doesn't realise all the evil that religion has created in the world.<P> Spud seems to agree with the War On Terror.<P> ALL OF THE ABOVE ARE BULLSHIT. SPUD BELIEVES NONE OF THESE THINGS.So if this is what you think, reread my post and start again with the hate.

  • March 16, 2010, 11:46 a.m. CST

    PTSDPete

    by spud mcspud

    Wow. You're really able to hear other people's sides of the argument, aren't you? Take a Valium and chill out. Not everyone has to think the same, y'know.

  • March 16, 2010, 11:51 a.m. CST

    PS - Why the Dunham hate?

    by spud mcspud

    The Achmed and Walter character are spot-on with their satire - if there's one problem I have with Jeff, he's too fond of using the term "gay" in a negative way. Other than that, he has no problem skewering the insane fuckers running the hardline fundamentalist groups that keep o trying to blow us all up - so why all the Dunham hate?<P> Any reply that goes beyond "Because he FUCKING SUCKS AND SO DO YOU!!" is welcome.

  • March 16, 2010, 11:51 a.m. CST

    Comedy Central had a great BH doc as well.

    by AzulTool

    Letterman is interviewed in it, and he almost shows human emotion when recalling the last Bill Hicks appearance that never aired. Years later, he would have Hicks' mother on the show to apologize to her, and show the segment. I'm down with anything Bill Hicks . If you ever get a chance to see his stuff from Waco during the Branch Davidian stand off, check it out. It's awesome.

  • March 16, 2010, 11:51 a.m. CST

    I teared up a bit

    by IWasInJuniorHighDickhead

    at this.

  • March 16, 2010, 11:51 a.m. CST

    CHRISTIANITY PEACE AND LOVE?

    by Katet19

    Holy shit Spud do you have a warped understanding of Christianity. Only one explanation, you MUSt be a devout Christian. I went to Catholic school for 13 years and essentially learned intolerance, cruelty, and an air of pomposity and exclusivity unrivaled by any other religion. A good soldier obeys orders and doesn't consider morality? Say even if they are asked to shoot a village full of women and children? You know like those crazy fundamentalists stoning people? Did you just cite Jeff fucking Dunham AND call him funny? That is the guy with the purple fucking puppet am I correct?

  • March 16, 2010, 11:53 a.m. CST

    Sorry Trolls

    by DangerDave

    Anyone that post shit speaking ill of Bill Hicks has ZERO impact. <P> You have no credit if you disrespect the man. He is a Demi-God and if you find him unfunny, you are the punchline. <P> If there is any juctice in the universe....Bill Hicks, Carlin and Pryor are all smoking a fat one at the center Dick Cheney's brain.

  • March 16, 2010, 11:57 a.m. CST

    Spud Mcspud

    by Harold-Sherbort

    Bill ripped on both sides. Listen to his Politics in America bit. I don't think he ever got confused, hypocritical or bitter. I think he knew his life was ending and tried even harder to get his point across. That's called passion, something a comedian like Jeff Dunham knows shit about. I respect anyones opinion on Bill Hicks, negative or otherwise, but I think it's safe to say that some people just didn't understand what he was trying to do. It doesn't mean you're stupid like some folks here may try and make you feel. People that do that miss the point in my eyes. His message and his goal was pretty simple, really. It's just takes a little listening and an open mind to see it.

  • March 16, 2010, 12:03 p.m. CST

    Jeff Dunham funny?

    by Gwlush

    I seriously can't believe someone compared Jeff Dunham to Bill Hicks. He takes on Extremist Mulsims? How? Because he has a puppet that is supposed to be a dead suicide bomber who says "I kill you"? That is as edgy as Golden Girls. Jeff Dunham is Larry the Cable guy with his hand stuck up the ass of a doll.

  • March 16, 2010, 12:03 p.m. CST

    Dunham?

    by surfsup22

    Please don't mention that dude in the same sentence as Hicks. Dunham makes Gallagher look like a genius.

  • March 16, 2010, 12:04 p.m. CST

    Katet19

    by spud mcspud

    You're tarring everyone with the same brush. If a kid gets beat up by a gay guy, then grow up to hate gay people based on his first experience being beat up by a gay guy, is he or is he not a bigot? Of course - because not every gay guy is a bully. Now, apply this to Christianity - because you had a shitty time at Catholic school (and God knows, if you're going to have a negative experience of Christianity, Catholic school is the very worst) that means ALL Christians are evil, like the ones you encountered??<P> That makes you bigoted. You're tarring every single person that professes to be a Christian with the brush of what your tormentors were like. Would you say that's what Mother Teresa was? Or Jesus himself? Perhaps you think Christian Aid are an evil charity - or the Salvation Army, who work to stop homelessness in the UK, or the Samaritans, working against depression and suicide in the UK - these are all evil because of their Christian origins??<P> The vast majority of Christians - like the majority of most of the world religions - are peaceful, and their faith enriched their life and the lives of those around them. Don't tar everyone with the same brush. Don't fall into being a bigot.

  • March 16, 2010, 12:04 p.m. CST

    McSpud, it's too easy to counter you point for point

    by American Mythos

    So I'ma take a minute and half a do it. Did you just call Christianity a religion known mainly for peace and love? Ever hear of the fucking Crusades? Every bible thumping, Christ loving nutjob alive today would be spit on by Christ if he were alive. Fuck turning the other cheek, he would flat fucking spit on any believer in the institutionalization of religion. <br> <br> Because when you institutionalize religion, you see just how militant and hateful it becomes -- with organized nutjobs waging campaigns against gay marriage, proclaiming U.S.-led wars in the Middle East "acts of God," with their bloodthirsty rallies outside criminal executions, their full-throated embrace of inbred zombies who kill abortion doctors, the list goes on and on. <br> <br> Christianity is just as oppressive as Islam, they only wield their iron fist under the guise of institutions. As for Dennis Leary and our refusal to deify him -- you have the answer in your own statement. Leary is a con man, a rip off hack who stole much of Bill's style and routine. Of course we don't deify him. He has nothing to say that wasn't said better, with real passion (as opposed to Dennis' heavily manufactured persona), and said first by better men. <br> <br> As for your comment about wars -- tell me a single war fought in the last 60 years that was fought to preserve American or British freedoms. Well, which is it?

  • March 16, 2010, 12:06 p.m. CST

    I Personally Loved Hicks...

    by Aquatarkusman

    ... but objectively speaking, he's not in the same league as Carlin or Pryor. He very well could have been, given time, and that's the tragic side of the story.

  • March 16, 2010, 12:06 p.m. CST

    my favourite hicks bit

    by jon pertwee

    is the one where he discusses the reaction jesus would have if he came back and saw all those crucifixes people wear.

  • March 16, 2010, 12:07 p.m. CST

    Spud

    by schadenfreudian

    I don't think Hicks was going after the "Do Unto Others" parts of Christianity. I think his point was the hypocrisy of, say, a pro-life advocate murdering a doctor. I don't really have a problem with Jeff Dunham... I don't find him particularly funny, clever, or challenging, but I don't have the animosity for him that I do for someone like Larry the Cable Guy. <BR> And

  • March 16, 2010, 12:08 p.m. CST

    AzulTool

    by schadenfreudian

    I think the doc you're thinking of is called It's All Just A ride.

  • March 16, 2010, 12:09 p.m. CST

    I'm very glad to hear that this film turned out well.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    I've been a fan of Bill Hicks since 1998, after I first heard his albums when they were re-issued by Rykodisc. No other comedian has made me laugh as hard or as convulsively as Hicks. (I'm talking huge belly-laughs that often brought me to the point of tears.) That includes Pryor, Carlin, Kinison, Murphy, Cosby, and just about anyone else I can think of. I've never been one to say that he is the "greatest" or that he is better than so-and-so. However, when you consider his style and what he often talked about during his stand-up, I can imagine a more relevant or insightful comedian. Sure, some of his material may be dated now (name a comic who doesn't have that problem) but some of it, hell most of it, is STILL SPOT-ON and entirely revelant to today's world. Not everything he did was intended to be funny but when he was on, he was on fire.<P>I'm delighted to hear that there are still tons of unseen/unheard material of his. I hope it will be made available soon. And I hope that this film has a chance to be seen by many.<P>"It's time to evolve ideas. You know, evolution didn't end with us growing thumbs."

  • March 16, 2010, 12:10 p.m. CST

    Spud

    by Gwlush

    Nobody mentioned Jesus, Mother Theresa, or any other good that comes out of Christianity. I believe most sane people know that Christianity has produced good things. It is just that the same sane people know Christianity has been used for some pretty atrocious shit.

  • March 16, 2010, 12:11 p.m. CST

    Harold-Sherbort

    by spud mcspud

    I got where Bill was coming from - particularly that he got more bitter as he became more aware that fewer and fewer people got what he was REALLY saying, and this alarmed him, particularly towards the end of his life. But I do think his condescending tone and the whole "if you don't agree with me, you're a PRICK" schtick alienated more people than it enlightened. Take the DangerDave types in this talkback - they liked Bill Hicks because he was sarcastic and intelligent, and because they got what Bill was saying when so many others did not, it gave them a feeling of being in an elite group - a bunch of intellectuals who look down on the dumbasses and poke fun rather than struggling to enlighten them (which is what I think Bill was trying to do at the beginning of his career, and got so bitter about at the end). Being a Bill fan for the DangerDaves of the world is just like being in a fraternity - fuck you if you're not in this club, we get it and you don't.<P> I can see how frustrated he was that the world COULD and should be a great place to live - but like so many liberal comedians, when you get to the nitty gritty of how that could be achieved, you get into "well, if you don't agree with me, fuck you". If Bill HAD made the world into a utopia through the strength of his ideals, it would have just been full of folks arguing over whether to ban smoking or not, whether or not to legalise shrooms, etc. You know? Not the united world he wished for - because for a world to be the way Bill wanted it to be, we'd all have to believe in what he did, to do what he did, etc etc. That's what I took from his stand up, anyway.

  • March 16, 2010, 12:13 p.m. CST

    Spud...

    by ebonic_plague

    "Noone" is immune to criticism, and deifying someone is a lot easier when they're dead, but while you've got legitimate points, I do think there is some nuance you're missing. <p> I think Hicks went after Christianity because he was raised in it, and was reacting to the hypocrisy of Christians that had been thrown in his face all his life. People usually want to clean up the trash in their own back yard before they go trying to clean up the whole neighborhood. I'm not saying that Islam is all sunshine and roses, but I bet one wouldn't have a lot of Islamic violence and hypocrisy to deal with in Texas. Hicks went after Christianity specifically because they often espouse "Do unto others..." but a lot of their actions are in direct opposition with that idea. ("We're Christian, and we don't like what you're saying!" "Well, then, forgive me!" Later, as I'm tied to the tree...) <p> I won't go into Dunham because humor is subjective and I, personally, wouldn't even categorize him as a comedian. And I'm not a huge fan of smoking, but I am a huge fan of the concept of personal freedom and liberty, and I think Hicks expressed that viewpoint much more clearly (and humorously!) than Leary ever did. <p> And I think you've really missed the point he was trying to make in regards to the military. I don't think he went out of his way to insult soldiers beyond just calling it like he saw it, that they were (and are) being exploited by uncaring, corrupt politicians and put on a ridiculous pedestal by an unthinking population that just wants to indulge in hero worship and rah-rah sloganeering rather than examine the reasoning behind what actually happens when we send men to war. I'd argue that for someone with the aptitude to engage people like Hicks could, the work of shocking or amusing people into re-examining the unsettling realities of the way our country actually operates is WAY more important than just working a security checkpoint in the desert. <p> While I disagree with your conclusions (and I can't comprehend the idea of Dunham as anything approaching humor) I think it's a credit to Hicks' legacy that he's still inspiring extremely relevant debates on the subjects he was concerned with, almost 20 years later.

  • March 16, 2010, 12:15 p.m. CST

    Spud

    by Gwlush

    It was not that Hicks thought people were pricks for not agreeing with him. They were pricks for their actions and their hypocrisy. Also, most comedians have a liberal slant.

  • March 16, 2010, 12:17 p.m. CST

    RE: Hicks' self fulfilling prophecy

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    If Hicks had been alive during any point of the last administration, I've little doubt he would have died...again. There is no way he could have survived another Bush in the White House or watched the same cast of characters (Cheney, Rumsfeld, Limbaugh, etc.) wreak political havoc upon this country without his head exploding.

  • March 16, 2010, 12:20 p.m. CST

    And that was supposed to be "can't imagine"...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    ...in my previous post. Bloody typos.

  • March 16, 2010, 12:22 p.m. CST

    Did he have a

    by Franky_Four_Fingers

  • March 16, 2010, 12:22 p.m. CST

    American Mythos - A rebuttal

    by spud mcspud

    So, here goes:<P> It seems like YOU are coming from where Katiet19 is - that everyone in a particular religion is the same. They're NOT. You said it yourself - "he would flat fucking spit on any believer in the institutionalization of religion". But not every believer DOES agree with the institutionalisation of religion, and still fewer agree with the wars fought in its name. When was the last religious war fought in the name of Christ? The Crusades were over half a millennium ago. The good done by people the world over is the name of Christianity far outweighs the abuses that happened in the name of Christ. By that rationale, geopolitics is FAR more dangerous than Christianity - because all the wars fought these days are not about religion, but geopolitics! Saying that religion causes is the same dumbass knee-jerk reaction that says that watching violent movies causes people to go psycho. It doesn't - psychos are psychos anyway, and violent movies don't have any effect on them other than to very occasionally give them an idea - and I don't think banning religion OR violent movies would reduce the amount of violence or evil in the world one iota - because the psychos would get inspired by something else. Human nature is human nature - and only the total eradication of humanity itself would completely erase the perpetratio of violence or evil acts by humanity. Isn't that self-evident?<P> If religion were truly as destructive as you say, every church in America would be making bombs and stockpiling weapons every Sunday. As you'll find they generally aren't, that's an indication that the vast majority of those who consider themselves Christians, institutionalised or not, are peace-loving altruists who try to better the worl around them, inspired by their faith. And that's bad - why exactly??<P> Agreed on Dennis Leary, though I did find him funny.<P> As for the wars - I can't speak for the US, but in World War II the Germans were DEFINITELY trying to invade the UK, which means we were fighting to preserve our freedom from occupation and invasion.

  • March 16, 2010, 12:22 p.m. CST

    haha spud mcspud speaks to Bill direct

    by Player_Two_has_entered_the_game

    via the internet.

  • March 16, 2010, 12:24 p.m. CST

    Gwlush

    by spud mcspud

    People kill each other because they support different football teams. Do you think that banning football would stop people killing each other?<P> Ditto for religion.

  • March 16, 2010, 12:24 p.m. CST

    Did he have a One Night Stand

    by Franky_Four_Fingers

    on HBO? If I remember correctly that was the first time I saw him. Saw him sporadically after that on some shows. Was never super impressed nor understood the cult following. I will have to check this out to see what all the fuss is about and make my own decison.

  • March 16, 2010, 12:24 p.m. CST

    haha spud speaks about himself in the 3rd person

    by Player_Two_has_entered_the_game

    via the internet

  • March 16, 2010, 12:25 p.m. CST

    jon pertwee

    by spud mcspud

    Yeah, the crucifixes / electric chair bit was one of my favourite Hicks routines :D

  • March 16, 2010, 12:25 p.m. CST

    ebonic_plague

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Well said. As always.

  • March 16, 2010, 12:26 p.m. CST

    Spud

    by Katet19

    I'm not tarring everyone with the same brush as you put it. I LOVED catholic school and had a great time, wonderful childhood etc. I never suffered tormentors and never called anyone evil. <br><br> You do remind of alot of religious zealots/politicians in the way you paint your argument in broad strokes and assumed facts. <br><br> What I'm saying is that after 13 years being taught any one thing you being to find holes. With base ideal Christianity vs structured instution style Christianity you begin to see the same hypocrisy with their general rules & philosophies that Hicks did. Jesus wants you to love everyone (aside from homosexuals, protestants, jews, people who have abortions, people who believe in evolution, etc etc). The idea behind Christianity is lovely in the same way the idea behind communism is a good one "Love they neighbor" "Provide for everyone". Organized Christianity is a money churning beast full of horrible dogma and ridiculous rules/half truths/self serving bullshit. Don't eat meat on friday or go to HELLL. Behave however you like but get in the fucking magic box/talk to god's "conduit" say you're sorry and make it allll go away. <br><br>

  • March 16, 2010, 12:30 p.m. CST

    Sorry but he's just not that funny.

    by The Funketeer

    I agree with a lot of what he had to say but he never made me laugh.

  • March 16, 2010, 12:31 p.m. CST

    ebonic_plague

    by spud mcspud

    Cheers for your post. Lots to think about!<P> I get pissed off at the idea that people expect all Christians to be 100% non-hypocritical, to never use cuss words, never lose their temper, to always turn the other cheek - and yet anyone not affiliated to a religion is completely ignored when THEY are hypocritical, angry, rude, condescending etc! I get where Bill's rants against hypocrisy in the church comes from - and I don't think for a minute he was anti-Christian - but I DO think he was one of those people who expected Christians to be 100% perfect all the time, and for non-Christians NOT to be perfect. Hardly fair, is it? Being a Christian is about TRYING to live a good and decent life, whilst acknowledging that we are human, with all our faults and flaws, and that we will fail in this more often than we succeed! This is where forgiveness comes in - to others and to ourselves...<P> I'm not a churchgoing Christian, I don't affiliate with any fellowship (though I do a lot of charity work, fund-raising etc) but neither do I expect Christians to be more perfect than non-Christians! Why does everyone else, then??<P> Thanks for the discussion, though. I'm pleasantly surprised that no-one has asked me to eat a bag of dicks yet - the level of debate in a Hicks TB is way more intelligent than many others, so kudos to you all :D

  • March 16, 2010, 12:37 p.m. CST

    Football?

    by Gwlush

    Yes, I think football should be banned!!! Where the hell did that come from? Are you on Crystal Meth?

  • March 16, 2010, 12:40 p.m. CST

    haha Spud mcspud eats a bag of dicks

    by Player_Two_has_entered_the_game

    via the internet

  • March 16, 2010, 12:40 p.m. CST

    couldn't resist, spuddy

    by Player_Two_has_entered_the_game

    ;)

  • March 16, 2010, 12:42 p.m. CST

    Spud

    by Gwlush

    People just hold Christians to the standard that Christians try to portray themselves. If my religion tells me that fucking midgets is wrong and I go around chastizing midget fuckers. Then I get caught fucking an oompa loompa. I am a hypocrite.

  • March 16, 2010, 12:43 p.m. CST

    Spud

    by American Mythos

    You specifically made a point that our respective militaries are out their fighting for our freedoms today, to which I said name a single war in the last 60 years whose outcome on which British or American freedoms have hinged. WWII ended more than 60 years ago. <br> <br> This latest "war" in Iraq was the work of a Christian psychotic who kneeled and prayed and said God spoke to him and told him it was right. It was perpetrated in the name of Christianity. Even if Bush was lying about speaking to God (which, I don't know, something tells me there's a good chance he was), he was still trying to rally an overwhelmingly Christian nation to his cause. He used fear and religion to meet his goal, and I've found that the two more often than not go hand in hand. Fear is how evangelists maintain their loyal flocks. <br> <br> That's what Bill hated. He hated groupthink, more so when fear was the glue, because that usually meant somewhere in the world brown people were going to die or someone was going to be denied their rights.

  • March 16, 2010, 12:44 p.m. CST

    The bible prohibits the eating of dicks

    by Gwlush

    Whether they be in a bag or near a sack. "Thou shalt not eateth a bag of dicks."

  • March 16, 2010, 12:45 p.m. CST

    spud mcspud

    by Sgt.Steiner

    I guess dick bag=eating is not what it used to be.

  • March 16, 2010, 12:47 p.m. CST

    Katet19 - So forgive me!! ;D

    by spud mcspud

    Just joking. Yes, you're right, I did assume your Catholicv experience was awful - glad to hear it wasn't! You're the first person I've spoken to in literally years who enjoyed Catholic school. Glad they're not all bad!<P> You're right about organised religion being full of half-truths etc - religion was organised in the middle ages to keep the peasants from revolting, which is why a lot of the ideas of suffering on earth equalling riches in Heaven were added to the Bible over 500 years ago via translations etc. But this is exactly why we need to NOT blindly accept everything a preacher, vicar etc tells us as the gospel truth - we need to question everything! The idea of absolution through confession is a ridiculous one, as is the idea of Jesus hating ANYONE (the idea of homosexuality, adultery, abortion, fornication etc being wrong is ALL Old Testament, which is the basis for Judaism but NOT Christianity - the theology has it that when Jesus died for the sins of the world, he died because humanity was incapable of following all those archaic, bigoted Old Testaments rules that followed the 10 Commandments, so his sacrifice negates the need to follow all that stuff, hence Christianity is only based n the New Testament teaching of Jesus, NOT anything in the Old Testament - common mistake that everyone makes!). I think it's stuff like this that makes people assume all Christians are robotic sheeple who mindlessly obey everything their sinister reverend tells them to do, when in fact all the Christians I know are nothing like this.<P> To make a long story short (Too late!) - your faith is between you and God. Take what works for you, discard what doesn't, and question everything. That's what I'd tell anyone who wants to follow a faith - and if a faith tells you to do something negative, then rest assured - that's not a faith, it's a cult.<P> Not all Christians are bad, dumb, or easily brainwashed.

  • March 16, 2010, 12:49 p.m. CST

    Exactly, Funketeer

    by rev_skarekroe

    He stood on a stage and complained. He never said anything that was actually funny. And maybe I'm a loser for this attitude, but "funny" is the only requirement I have of "comedians."

  • March 16, 2010, 12:52 p.m. CST

    American Mythos

    by spud mcspud

    Agreed on Bush being a Christian (though his actions s far have been as far from Christian as you can possibly get). But was the war religious? No, because he wasn't fighting it due to religious reasons, but for geopolitcal ones - where the oil was, and the US's need to secure it to continue functioning as an oil-based infrastructure for as long as possible.<P> Did he use the religious angle as a reason? Yes - after the fact, possibly to try to rally the Christian right (who, again, are as far from the Christ-led Christian religion as you can get) to support him when the whole "we were looking for WMDs that were suddenly not there" argument fell through. But was the war started on religious grounds? Hell no - it was to secure oil, using the 9-11 attacks as a reason to attack a nation that had nothing to do with it. Because if the US were going after those who committed 9-11, why isn't Saudi Arabia a smoking ruin?<P> Oh, I forgot. They're allies...

  • March 16, 2010, 12:53 p.m. CST

    Rev, let me guess, you find Jay Leno funny

    by American Mythos

  • March 16, 2010, 12:53 p.m. CST

    Gwlush

    by spud mcspud

    "Thou shalt not eateth a bag of dicks. Eth." The Eleventh Commandment :D

  • March 16, 2010, 12:59 p.m. CST

    No, American Mythos, but let me spell it out for you.

    by rev_skarekroe

    Somebody up there mentioned Carlin. Carlin had a similar attitude to Hicks, but he remembered to tell jokes. Lewis Black is another good example. If you're going to stand up there and bitch for an hour, be funny when you do it.

  • March 16, 2010, 1 p.m. CST

    Indeed, Spud!

    by ebonic_plague

    I really appreciate that we've got a talkback dialogue for a subject that's a favorite of mine, and it hasn't (yet) involved a bag of dicks! So thanks for being the catalyst. These TB's aren't ever as fun without some argument, anyway. <p> The thing that resonates with me from Bill's rants against organized religion is that it's a plea to see through the BS and recognize what Jesus' original intent was, and how far we've strayed from that message. Christianity might not be as outwardly violent as we perceive other world religions, but there is a case to be made that they promote messages and agendas (anti-birth control in AIDS plagued Africa, covering-up sexual abuse by clergy) that are counter-productive to modern secular work to achieve the same ends. And there is no doubt that guys like Fred Phelps (or the Klan, historically) have hijacked the uglier side of Christian dogma to spread hatred. That isn't even getting into the passive side of the equation, like the drive to legislate their morality and worldview onto everyone in regards to abortion or gay marriage or evolution. The church is a force for good in the world, no doubt, but the problem I (and others like Bill) see is that the insitution of the church creates a significant amount of unnecessary trouble just by their unwillingness to adapt their traditions until they're all but irrelevant. In this respect, Hicks was like a drill sergeant... berating the people who claim to be pious and shaming them into actually trying harder. <p> I could go on, but I gotta take care of business. I really appreciate the honest appraisal of the topic in here, though! <p> Now I'm going to have to dig up Rant or Relentless or something to put on tonight. Good times!

  • March 16, 2010, 1:03 p.m. CST

    Spud

    by American Mythos

    I remember the fabled WMDs, but there were still religious institutions who labeled this a holy war in the lead up to invasion, and a President who capitalized on that demographic to win reelection. My original argument was that religious institutions are what's wrong with religion. Where people go to worship their god, but they're really just worshipping the pocket book of some snake oil salesman. I wouldn't exactly describe myself as anti-religion, just anti-evangelist. Any ordinary man who seeks the adoration (in the form of money and power) of the followers of Christ and God is violating their own commandment. If there is a hell, I believe it's reserved for people like Joel Osteen, Rick Warren, Billy Graham, Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, etc.

  • March 16, 2010, 1:03 p.m. CST

    Spud

    by Gwlush

    I have to give you props. I have to say you have transcended past the "Jeff Dunham" defense. Kudos to you, bag of dick eater. ;)

  • March 16, 2010, 1:04 p.m. CST

    Thanks, MNG!

    by ebonic_plague

    Sometimes there is a post on AICN which really gets me going. This would be one of those posts! <p> And it looks like I spoke too soon about lack of dick-bag-meals... but it's only appropriate to the topic. "I assure you, dick jokes are coming!"

  • March 16, 2010, 1:11 p.m. CST

    New puppet

    by Gwlush

    I hope Jeff Dunhams new puppet is a bag of dicks. He can just say, "eat me!" at the end of every terrible joke. That will totally get his fanbase in a chuckle fit.

  • March 16, 2010, 1:18 p.m. CST

    not surprised

    by awardgiver

    to see some idiot talk backers who act like fucking assholes try to praise a guy they have nothing in common with. Especially after some of the idiotic and hateful right wing posts they have made, you would think they never heard of Hicks. Ah well, he was the best thing to come out of my hometown of Houston. Oh, and fuck Dennis Leary.

  • March 16, 2010, 1:21 p.m. CST

    rev_skarekroe

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Dude, what are you talking about? Hicks told jokes. If you think people have been laughing all these years at a guy who was simply "bitching", then you have an odd talent for missing some monster jokes and punchlines.<P>It's funny (no pun intended!) that you mentioned Lewis Black because he's probably the closest in spirit to Hicks' style and delivery of any comic I've seen.

  • March 16, 2010, 1:23 p.m. CST

    spud...a question...

    by BumLove

    ...because I know trolls love food. <p> But seriously, with regards to your rebuttal to Katet about being a bigot for painting all Christians with the same brush because of his experience in Catholic school....do you apply that same logic to Muslims and Islam, and those who paint it with a broad brush?

  • March 16, 2010, 1:24 p.m. CST

    One last thing, though...

    by ebonic_plague

    ...Spud, you reference the fact that you're uncomfortable with the kind of idiots that view their appreciation of Hicks' work in terms of "Us against them," like some kind of little in-joke fraternity that likes to high five each other as they shit from a great height on those who disagree with them... I would speculate that, if he'd lived, Hicks would be right there with you, directing his ire on such people like none other. You can kind of see it creep into his set with that infamous Chicago meltdown that someone else already referenced, where people in the crowd were yelling out names of his old bits for him to do, and he just lashes out on his own fans for just wanting to hear him regurgitate old punchlines ("like I'm a juke-box, just put quarters in my ass!") rather than think about what he was actually saying. Bill said one of his main goals in stand-up was to deflate "fevered egos," and I'd like to believe that he was at least self-depricating enough to realize that becoming one himself was a pitfall to be avoided, and most likely would have been examined and turned into material for future bits. I just wish we could have gotten those bits. I think we need them more now than ever.

  • March 16, 2010, 1:31 p.m. CST

    Also Re: Katet being called a bigot...

    by BumLove

    ...and possibly Hicks, too, for trashing Christianity....the golden rule about making jokes about a religion or ethnicity is that you are allowed to make fun of the religion or ethnicity you were born into. It's a free pass. See the dentist episode of Seinfeld for more details.

  • March 16, 2010, 2:02 p.m. CST

    Life Proof

    by Chadley BeBay

    While I did miss the reference, it was obscure, AND misquoted to the point it was unrecognizable. And 'epic fail' is the lamest fucking internet-ism, go kill yourself

  • March 16, 2010, 2:06 p.m. CST

    But will it address, the whole Hicks vs Leary joke theft thing?

    by Jamie McBain

  • March 16, 2010, 2:17 p.m. CST

    The voice of fallen Christians everywhere...

    by Ronald Raygun

    To anyone who thinks Hicks was just a mouthpeice for anti-God, anti-American sentiment, he was raised in a Southern Baptist household. And as anyone with strict religious parents knows, you either play along or grow a pair and rebel. Bill Hicks makes me happy to think that, just in case my parents are right and I am going to hell, at least my heroes like Bill Hicks and George Carlin will be down there with me.

  • March 16, 2010, 2:51 p.m. CST

    ebonic_plague

    by gotilk

    Well said.

  • March 16, 2010, 2:57 p.m. CST

    ebonic and Spud

    by toadkillerdog

    Ebonic, just some great writing and insight there dude. <p> Spud, great way to start a good debate. I have no opinion on Bill Hicks because I have never seen any of his routines, but I will take a look.

  • March 16, 2010, 3:02 p.m. CST

    Hicks vs Leary.

    by V'Shael

    When asked why he'd stopped smoking, Hicks quipped "I just wanted to see if Denis would, too." <p> Hicks famously told an interviewer: "I have a scoop for you. I stole his [Leary's] act. I camouflaged it with punchlines, and to really throw people off, I did it before he did."

  • March 16, 2010, 3:04 p.m. CST

    It's about fucking time

    by Darth_Tarantino

    Hicks has deserved a proper documentary like this for years. I can't wait for the opportunity to see this. And for uninitiated, Dwigh Slade's book 'Agent Of Evolution' is a good place to start.

  • March 16, 2010, 3:06 p.m. CST

    Painting with a broad brush

    by spud mcspud

    Yeah, I just got hoisted with my own petard re Katet19 - last time I got caught up in this "all Christians are evil / oh no they're not" debate was in a DR WHO TB (of all places!) where I had a great chat with a few people (including Smashing, my WHO TB nemesis and all round stand-up guy) about this very subject, and everyone in that thread that mentioned Catholic school did so negatively. I'm very glad to be proven wrong, though, and so Katiet19 isn't you usual "I got bullied by Christians so I hate them" type, but more a "This doesn't make any sense so I don't agree with the dogma of it" type. I have much more empathy for the latter; none whatsoever ofr the former.<P> Faith of any kind is a funny thing. It can be measured by many things - eg how dogmatic are you? Very much stick-to-the-scriptures/tenets-almost-fundamentalist types tend to be more trouble than the take-what-works-for-you-discard-what-doesn't-and-do-unto-others-as-you'd-have-them-do-unto-you types, who tend to see faith as a loose framework to hang their generally live-and-let-live attitudes on. The latter I think is what Bill Hicks didn't have a problem with; I do think all his ire was aimed at the former. But it's a bit of a drag if we ALL get dragged into it by less intelligent viewers or fans who DON'T see the (admittedly faint) distinction between the two.<P> Regarding Islam - no, I've known and worked with too many disgusted moderate Muslims to believe that all Muslims are fundamentalist nutters - far from it. The majority are moderates, who are more than a little frightened at the way the UK media portray all Muslims as the Al-Queda types - which is a very vocal minority that happen to get ALL the airtime because fear sells and the UK public lap it up. We're in danger of getting thes fucking lunatics to appear way more influential than they are - and though they are trying (very hard) to be a political and a terrorist influence on the UK, as yet I think the majority of Muslims are dead against what the lunatics stand for. Saying all Muslims support a violent jihad against the West would be like saying all Christians are like Jim Bakker (God forbid).<P> Oh, and Katiet19 - I don't think you're a bigot, only that occasionally - like the rest of us - you over-generalise on certain things, which is something bigots do. It's also something fallible human beings do, and I promptly proved my point by doing so myself. Forgive me!! ;D

  • March 16, 2010, 3:20 p.m. CST

    ebonic_plague - Good points all!

    by spud mcspud

    "Bill said one of his main goals in stand-up was to deflate "fevered egos," and I'd like to believe that he was at least self-depricating enough to realize that becoming one himself was a pitfall to be avoided, and most likely would have been examined and turned into material for future bits. I just wish we could have gotten those bits. I think we need them more now than ever."<P> Damn straight. It'd be nice to think he'd have overcome the bitterness to become more focussed, more funny than angry, and much more eloquent (even more so than he already was, because he came across as fearsomely intelligent even then) about what he meant than he was thus far. You get a sense, from his last few recorded performances, that he was still honing who he was on stage, and that as he moved on from comic to satirist/political commentator/comic, he could have gone even further. Can you imagine Bill Hicks having gone as far as a DAILY SHOW-type show? A Friday night round-up of the insane shit that happened round the world that week, and Bill's take on it all and what to do about it. I doubt if he'd have done it, but fuck - that would have been awesome. I always found him funnier raging at the fucked-up stupidity of the world than I did his comedy stuff, such as Goatboy - the standard in "this joke has gone on WAAAAAY too long" until the Peter Griffin smacking his shin scene in the Willy Wonka FAMILY GUY episode. I could have kicked the TV by the twenty-seventh time he did that "SSSSSSSS!" noise.<P> But yeah - I heard about that Chicago meltdown, and know EXACTLY what he was getting at. Whether I found him as funny as the rest of you guys or not, I cannot argue with the man's intellect. Easily one of the most intelligent comedians EVER...

  • March 16, 2010, 3:29 p.m. CST

    Aw, shucks...

    by ebonic_plague

    ...TKD, gotilk: thanks guys! It isn't every day I have a salient point to make (TKD can attest to that) but when I do have one, it's nice to be able to drop it into a discussion here that involves only a minimal amount of bag-o-dicks consumption. <p> And I have to add that I went to Catholic school, and as far as school goes, it was a pretty good time. I think the secret is to go to public elementary/Jr. high school, and then enroll in a Catholic high school... you're too big to be physically intimidated by the nuns, smart (or smart-ass) enough to enjoy the religious teachings for providing a dedicated classroom hour to question the specifics of church authority, and best of all, the girls are old enough to make those uniform plaid skirts look good! And I don't think I have to tell you how beneficial it is to a young man to be surrounded by girls just dying to prove how rebellious they can be...

  • March 16, 2010, 3:31 p.m. CST

    American Mythos

    by spud mcspud

    "My original argument was that religious institutions are what's wrong with religion. Where people go to worship their god, but they're really just worshipping the pocket book of some snake oil salesman."<P> Aha! I see what you're saying, and I agree 100% with it. Problem is, so many believers have been brainwashed into this "Gentle Jesus meek and mild" belief (conveniently forgetting about the Jesus who physically kicked the money-lenders out of the temple) that they have no stomach for taking on the kind of thieving, lying hypocrites that prey on these believers in their quest for money and power. One of the reasons I got pretty much ostracised out of my particular local church is that I didn't keep my mouth shut about certain things (eg telling the church council how fucking stupid they were for accusing me and my D&D role-playing habit of being "Satanic", and of telling me I should burn my Fighting Fantasy collection - yep, I am a rebel, may my Stamina never fail!!) and when a particular church member started beating her adopted kids up, and I witnessed it, the ensuing fallout disillusioned me to that particular church to this day - but not my faith. That stayed strong (though the doubts will always be there, and I now think doubting your faith is a sign of a healthy mind).<P> Problem is, most churches get into this kind of siege mentality because they are unwittingly being manipulated by fuckers like Bakker and Falwell (amongst many others - hell, I got converted at a Billy Graham rally years ago), and we need more people to stand up against them. I still think my leaving that church, instead of staying and fighting that institutionalised look-the-other-way mentality, was a failure on my part. The problem is, there are a lot of these unscrupulous fuckers, and it's easy to manipulate simple, decent folk who want to be told they're doing a good job by looking after their neighbours, now please give us a donation - for the "church roof"...<P> God save us from the snake-oil salesmen.

  • March 16, 2010, 3:32 p.m. CST

    TKD - I would recommend the following...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Albums:<br>ARIZONA BAY<br>RANT IN E-MINOR<P>DVDs:<br>SANE MAN (a complete show from a club in TX)<br>BILL HICKS LIVE (contains his HBO One Night Stand, the RELENTLESS performance, the REVELATIONS concert from the UK, and the IT'S JUST A RIDE documentary which aired on Comedy Central after his death)<P>After that, there are several other albums and videos worth checking out as well as what can be found on YouTube.

  • March 16, 2010, 3:36 p.m. CST

    TKD - He's well worth a look

    by spud mcspud

    I may not be a raving Hicks acolyte, but I gotta concede, he's head and shoulders above most stand-ups. For comparison, Sam Kinison (who had a similar religious upbringing background), Denis Leary (the Hicks rip-off), George Carlin (the undisputed master of intelligent yet expletive-laden comedy) - they're all worth a look, but hunt down any Hicks you can. He's good value, and quite a laugh, especially the political stuff. Just try to stay awake when he starts preaching :D

  • March 16, 2010, 3:37 p.m. CST

    Oh, Bill

    by Harold-Sherbort

    gettin people to talk about stuff.

  • March 16, 2010, 3:38 p.m. CST

    Christians vs. anti-christians

    by Ronald Raygun

    I know the AICN talkback isn't the place to get all sentimental, but I've read in Bill Hicks' last days fighting cancer, he choose to spend them with his parents by his side. Hicks made a whole career giving his parents ideals the middle finger, but they all came together in the end. Despite which side of the debate you're on, I think there's something beautiful and unifying about that.

  • March 16, 2010, 3:40 p.m. CST

    Spud, you are a twat.

    by NixEclips

    You're offended? Wow. I've never heard of a comedian doing that to anyone. Go enjoy your Dane Cook and Jeff Dunham. Very bland and un-offensive "comics". People that like to think like big boys will continue to enjoy Hicks.

  • March 16, 2010, 3:56 p.m. CST

    NixEclips - Go eat a bag of dicks

    by spud mcspud

    Just because Hicks is offensive doesn't mean I don't enjoy his stuff, you fucking mouthbreather. It's one of the reasons I DO enjoy his stuff. As for thinking like a big boy, the fifth word of your post was a swear word, so if by big boy you mean a fourteen year old keyboard warrior who gets on TBs like this to troll and needlessly throw around insults for no reason, then wow - what a "big boy" you are. Have fun getting taken apart by every other Talkbacker on this thread that is smarter than you.<P> Pretty much everyone, then.

  • March 16, 2010, 3:58 p.m. CST

    Ronald Raygun - Nice to hear

    by spud mcspud

    In the end, a good family transcends beliefs, politics, ideals and every other damn thing. You get to see how much he did hold his family in high regard in IT'S JUST A RIDE, which is a great documentary...

  • March 16, 2010, 4:03 p.m. CST

    Wow

    by goatboy500

    Great to see another documentary about the goatboy. And its also good to see such a well mannered (for the most part) and thoughtful talkback. I see a lot of comedians being compared to Hicks on here, all dead also, Bruce, Carlin and Pryor, all geniuses. My personal view is that in comedic terms, Hicks was Jesus, but Pryor was God (Pryors entire body was funny - the routine where he shows a black guy and a white guy seperately encountering a snake in the jungle), but on a philisophical level, no one has made more impact on my life than Bill Hicks. As for comedians today who can compare, i really have to say that Doug Stanhope is the most like Bill (his early stuff was more polemic however, if you listen to him now he's just a bored grumpy old fuck, but still fuckin hilarious) and Dave Chappelle is the funniest comedian alive right now (and I'm not comparing him to Pryor cos he's black, watch For What It's Worth, the entire routine about fucking monkeys is an unbelievable performance). I'll be watching this for fuckin sure.

  • March 16, 2010, 4:05 p.m. CST

    Speaking of Dane Cook

    by American Mythos

    Go look up his dumb ass bit he did about supposedly speaking to an Atheist. I've always teetered on the border between Atheist and Agnostic, and I've never encountered a fellow Atheist who believes any 'pretty tree' bullshit like Cook talked about. That's the thing about Bill, he grew up with a religious background, so when he skewered religion he did it with an insider's knowledge -- Cook on the other hand just flat out fabricates his target's perspective to make a point, which he always fails at in the end. God I hate that man.

  • March 16, 2010, 4:07 p.m. CST

    Spud

    by NixEclips

    I got tired of hearing your rantings. I very rarely comment. I am not a troll. I just got sick of your fucking goddamn shit. There's your swearing. Enjoy. Oh, and *hugs*. Cuz I don't hate anyone, just myself.

  • March 16, 2010, 4:11 p.m. CST

    dane cook

    by goatboy500

    is indeed shite. HOWEVER. I enjoyed him in Mr Brooks. He reminds me of robin williams. Terrible comedian (robin william's comedy really gets on my fuckin tits) but can be a pretty good actor. Its a shame dane cook hasn't found a movie like Garp or Moscow on the hudson to show he isn't more than a frat boy one note titpipe, if he chose the right roles people might know who he is in 10 years.

  • March 16, 2010, 4:11 p.m. CST

    NixEclips

    by spud mcspud

    The whole point of AICN TBs is to rant! Do you have any idea how much in shrink fees I'm saving myself here?!?? ;D

  • March 16, 2010, 4:12 p.m. CST

    Oh, and NixEclips:

    by spud mcspud

    Don't hate yourself. Bill Hicks doesn't hate you. He died for your sins :D

  • March 16, 2010, 4:13 p.m. CST

    Dane Cook...

    by spud mcspud

    Unfamiliar with most of his stuff. He was okay in a mostly meh movie, EMPLOYEE OF THE MONTH, and he was funny for the three minutes or so he was in WAITING. Yeah, I fucking loved WAITING. I'm admitting that shit. Bring on the flame war!!

  • March 16, 2010, 4:13 p.m. CST

    Spud!

    by ebonic_plague

    (You'll have to forgive me, but I can never reply to your screen name without imagining your posts being drunkenly slurred by Ewan Bremner looking up from the gutter in Trainspotting.) <p> I do agree that Goatboy is his weakest stuff, exactly because it doesn't really spring from anything more than "dirty old comedian" and doesn't tie in as well to the rest of his act. He also has some weird, hard-to-follow tangents that don't really click with me ("childbirth is unnatural" and all that) and obvious shock tactics (Limbaugh and Bush Sr.'s coprophagic orgy) that seem to be intended to just preach to the choir and indulge in the obscene. But nobody's act is perfect, and it would have been interesting to see it evolve past that. <p> I do wonder what kind of path he'd be on today, as it certainly wouldn't be easy for a guy like him to survive the culture's swing back to the right-wing, professionally or literally. I could see him being literally blacklisted after something like 9/11. It's too bad, though, because the left desperately needs someone with balls who could not only call out the right for their BS, but also bust balls on the left for succumbing to complacency and echo chambers and believing its own hype, just like he lit into people at his shows who only wanted to hear what they've already heard him say. That's exactly what occurred to me the first time I saw Colin Quinn's Tough Crowd show, or Bill Maher's shows... how much better it could be with a guy like Hicks calling the shots. Maher's not bad but he just drips with smug and tends to fawn over his liberal guests, while Quinn and his crew have the same informed grasp of issues as the regulars at a bar at a truck stop. The closest thing to that I could see Hicks involved in would be a role like Lewis Black on the Daily Show. In fact, he and David Cross are whom I would consider to be the real heirs to his style. But I don't think either one have the same intense devotion to the craft, and the uncompromising desire to elevate it beyond just 15 minutes of yuk-yuks, that he had. <p> Man am I long winded today! Goatboy brings it out, I guess.

  • March 16, 2010, 4:19 p.m. CST

    Spud, they're mah sheets!!

    by spud mcspud

    It's actually more to do with me being a couch potato than TRAINSPOTTING, and I'm from the East Midlands of England rather than Scotland, but I see where you're going with this :D<P> I have the same problem with Maher I outlined above - if you disagree with him, he can't take a different opinion - he has to try to take you apart for it. RELIGULOUS was more one-sided than a Michael Moore documentary, and was basically an atheist making religious people look stupid for over an hour with no recourse or opportunity for them to put their side across properly. Evidently Maher hasn't heard of Christian Aid, the Samaritans, Mother Theresa, or any of the other influential Christian people and organisations that have done great and life-changing things across the world with their lives and their dedication to God and their faith. But hey, Maher's a sarcastic old bastard - I suppose asking him to see both sides of an argument is too much like compromising his principles.<P> Maher's a hack. Can't be bothered with him.

  • March 16, 2010, 4:21 p.m. CST

    ebonic, I agree about Cross

    by American Mythos

    I was listening to his stuff on YouTube. He has a lot of the same views as Bill Hicks, but he almost seems timid in expressing them. His mostly low key style doesn't really make people wake up and pay attention. Bill did just that.

  • March 16, 2010, 4:27 p.m. CST

    About Mother Theresa

    by American Mythos

    I read an article about her personal writings revealing she had struggled to regain her faith after losing it for much of her remaining life. I think the good she did was more a testament to her as a person than as an instrument of a god.

  • March 16, 2010, 4:35 p.m. CST

    Mythos - re Mother Theresa...

    by spud mcspud

    Ah, but did she do these good things because she was a good person, or because of her faith and devotion to God? We may never know for sure...<P> I also heard a crazy-ass rumour that she was exorcised towards the end of her life. WHA-AAAAT??

  • March 16, 2010, 4:35 p.m. CST

    England, Scotland... there's a difference?

    by ebonic_plague

    KIDDING! I know it's different... I mean, I saw Braveheart. ;) <p> Yeah, that's exactly what I don't like about Maher... every so often he makes a point I really agree with, but something about the way that he makes his point just makes me want to disagree with him on general principle. THAT is the kind of echo-chamber trap that leads one to believe one's own shit don't stink, and only serves to divide further rather than provide common ground for meaningful dialogue, especially when mean-spirited comedy is piled on top. Unless you're dealing with a baby, you can't condescend to someone and then expect them to want to take you seriously. I haven't seen Religulous and don't have much desire to, just because of Maher's tendencies to ignore the other side while fellating himself. I think the only reason his show is occasionally interesting is due to the guests, but it would be much improved if the host wasn't so damn smug. Maher doesn't know how much of a disservice he is doing to his own beliefs. What the left really needs is someone who believes in the ideals but holds it's loudest voices' feet to the fire when they want to showboat. Such honesty is in short supply these days on both sides of the aisle.

  • March 16, 2010, 4:38 p.m. CST

    That's just it, she lost faith in the presence of God.

    by American Mythos

    And died feeling that way. Her writings, not mine.

  • March 16, 2010, 4:58 p.m. CST

    Hicks' parents weren't hardcore Southern Baptists

    by mjgtexas

    While they made him go to church, they also supported his career path by paying his rent in LA and a new GM car every year. Not exactly Mr. and Mrs. Cotton Mather.

  • March 16, 2010, 5:09 p.m. CST

    Bill Hicks rocks the cock!

    by Mockingbuddha

    I hate to respond to Spud after so many people have responded to Spud, but he said the doing stand up comedy was easier than what the military does. It's a lot of things, less dangerous, warmer, doesn't pay as well in most cases, but EASIER!?! You said yourself all the military does is follow orders, that's why they keep lowering the bar on who can join, because the job may be dangerous, but it's fucking EASY to do what you're told. Whereas being funny on demand is INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT! Only a teeny tiny percentage of humans ever even try it, and only a teeny tiny percentage of those don't suck ass! Bill Hicks is in the microscopic percentage that ROCKS THE FUCKING COCK!!! His job is way harder than any job in the military. And for full disclosure, I come from a military family, I'm one of the few males in my family to not join the military as a life long career, I have much love and respect for what they do, but its not even as hard or as dangerous as what I do, which is teach in an inner city school. So uh... advertisers kill youselves!

  • March 16, 2010, 5:29 p.m. CST

    Hicks and LSD changed my life

    by NixEclips

    True story. LSD made me appreciate that we are all the same and Hicks made me realize that I wasn't the only one who wanted change. Or something.

  • March 16, 2010, 6:14 p.m. CST

    Taking on Christianity is easy... forget it! They're a joke

    by Intercostal

    If he were alive today, I doubt Bill Hicks would have the balls to take on the racist, genocidal Jewish people of Israel.

  • March 16, 2010, 6:16 p.m. CST

    I liked the idea of Crowe playing Hicks

    by liljuniorbrown

    I guess i'm alone on that one. I know Russel Crowe's not the best but the guy takes his shit seriously and he's a fan.

  • March 16, 2010, 6:27 p.m. CST

    I don't do drugs any more... than the average touring funk band

    by MrEkoLetMeLive

    So glad that this is the movie that got made about Hicks and that I didn't have to bear the agony of watching some actor try to play him. I don't even know who you'd get for that role. Okay, MAYBE I could see Philip Seymour Hoffman in it, but that's about it. I'd much rather let the man's genius speak for itself. The photography effect looks interesting. Seems like a more high-tech version of what they did in the film version of "the Kid Stays in the Picture." Can't wait to squeegy my third eye and check this out.

  • March 16, 2010, 6:53 p.m. CST

    Any mention of Denis Leary yet?

    by Heckles

    Figured some Bill Hicks super fan would chime in, saying Leary ripped off Hicks' act. Anyone hear the rip on him at Leary's roast? Fucked up.<br><br>Hicks was damn funny, no doubt. Wonder how he would have turned out. Saying he could have been up there with Carlin or Pryor is a stretch.

  • March 16, 2010, 7:38 p.m. CST

    Intercostal

    by MANNZILLA

    Maybe you meant to say the genocidal muslim extremists. All religion is bullshit anyway...

  • March 16, 2010, 7:48 p.m. CST

    I wonder what Hick would think of Obama?

    by MANNZILLA

  • March 16, 2010, 7:48 p.m. CST

    I WAS GONNA MAKE A SMARTASS COMMENT ABOUT HICKS

    by BringingSexyBack

    But clearly you guys are not having it and I don't wanna be Jamie'd. <P> And Spud told someone to eat a bag of dicks. I've NEVER seen him do that. It's like he's possessed or something.

  • March 16, 2010, 7:50 p.m. CST

    HEY ACE HOW'S IN HANGING

    by BringingSexyBack

  • March 16, 2010, 8:14 p.m. CST

    Sorry, Heckles...

    by 100Proof

    Pretty much a known fact that Leary's whole schtick was a bad Hicks impersonation. Whole bits of his act (smoking, Jim Fixx, etc.) were like a bad high-school paper copied off of Wikipedia. And you can't say that they developed them independently because they were friends and performed in and around the same time period in the same places. The only reason he got away with it and someone like Carlos Mencia didn't was because Bill died in relative obscurity. Spend any period of time within the comedy fraternity and ask them about Hicks vs. Leary. There's a lot of bitterness there as that is one of the cardinal rules of stand-up.

  • March 16, 2010, 8:30 p.m. CST

    The man played from his fucking heart

    by NoQuarter

    What more is there to say?

  • March 16, 2010, 9:23 p.m. CST

    MANZILLA

    by Sabretooth4President

    Jews, Muslims, Whiteys, I bet Hicks would atomic bomb the planet. Bill Hicks comedy is based on hate, complaining, whining, verbal violence, starting up a fight. He seems like that kind of negative liberal, conservative kind of prick. It's a yin yang thing.

  • March 16, 2010, 11:55 p.m. CST

    Manzilla...

    by FullMetal_Atheist

    ...someone else put it more eloquently earlier in the talkback than I ever could - if that's how you really feel about Bill Hicks, then you ARE the punchline. I'll admit, I got choked up watching this trailer. I'm English, but I lived in Houston for two years and I was amazed how few people knew him there...in fucking Houston, where he made his name! The guy is worshiped in the UK, Channel 4 even dedicated a whole night to him about ten years ago. And if they ever do make a biopic, Dennis Leary should play Hicks. He wouldn't even have to memorize Hick's comedy routines, given that he already knows them so well.

  • March 16, 2010, 11:59 p.m. CST

    Hicks = Overrated

    by howzah

    He called himself the "Noam Chomsky" of comedy. The far left douchebags can't get enough of him.

  • March 17, 2010, 12:07 a.m. CST

    Booooooooorrrrrrrrrrrrrring

    by captzeep

    Do people really buy this crap? Putting a shiny cellophane wrapper on the conventional wisdom and calling it rebellion? Yes they do and it's been one of America's biggest and most successful businesses since the 60's.

  • March 17, 2010, 12:15 a.m. CST

    Hicks vs. Leary

    by Billy_Batson

    Neither Bill Hicks or Denis Leary were incredibly original in their view points, so saying Leary ripped off Hicks is rather moot. The reason Leary excelled and Hicks did not was not because Hicks just died too early. It was because Leary was simply better at presenting the material. Hicks had slightly radical view points, but presented them in an an average 80's/90's stand up comic sort of way. There was nothing extraordinary about his performance as a stand up. Throw a shoulder padded suit coat on him and he looks and sounds like every other comedian of the time. Leary, while not entirely original, added the appropriate "edge" to the material, which made him standout. Leary's approach was more original than Hicks' was.

  • March 17, 2010, 1:11 a.m. CST

    Oh?

    by xXxJamiexXx

    So serving my country automatically makes me a mindless robot Republican? For the record I hate right wingers and I'm about as liberal as it gets. No this country isn't perfect and Mr. Hicks did have the right to say whatever he wanted because that is exactly why I served in the first place, to defend his right to do what he did. But should he have taken potshots at veterans just because he could out of shock value? No he shouldn't have but like I said it is a free country. Some things are sacred though. You can say disparaging things but to not expect a backlash is ridiculous. Do I have the right to not like him after he insulted the thousands who have died in defense of our country? Yes I do. And before you call me a pogue, I was 11Bravo too pal.

  • March 17, 2010, 2:15 a.m. CST

    Ace of Wands, how about them

    by Player_Two_has_entered_the_game

    bombing the fuck out of london and reducing much of it to rumble and people having to live in the tube stations rarther than above ground. If that's not an invasion what is? By the way I disagree with spud mcspud's opinion on Bill Hicks though.

  • March 17, 2010, 2:26 a.m. CST

    Jamie, not sure you know what veteran means

    by Player_Two_has_entered_the_game

    Bill never did any routines about veterans. if you are referring to his take on the war and the "pull up g12" rountie or any of his other takes on war, you are really missing the point if you think he is attacking the soliders. In fact a lot of people in service have come out with many of the same views now that Hicks had then about america and reasons for going to war. I'm starting to think the only thing you have served is coffee at starbucks, bud.

  • March 17, 2010, 2:51 a.m. CST

    Yes is was fucking funny

    by Rupee88

    and brilliant...

  • March 17, 2010, 3:33 a.m. CST

    Leary's approach was more original than Hicks'?

    by American Mythos

    You mean, Leary's approach to Bill Hicks' material and persona were more original than Hicks' approach? That's why mediocrity excells in this world. You don't care about substance, just style. And you're wrong on style anyway. I can only watch a few seconds of Leary's standup before it annoys the piss out of me. Let's get one thing straight, Bill's style was authentic, his sardonic assholery wasn't just some hollow facade like Leary's. When I see Leary, it's like watching a man who's lived his whole adult life trying to be somebody else for money, like Larry the Cable Guy.

  • March 17, 2010, 4:52 a.m. CST

    I saw Hicks

    by papabendi

    play Manchester England in 1992, where in fact he was already a superstar playing to packed theatres that held 2000 people. I swear the guy could have played a stadium if he had lived to tour here again. I recommend the book 'Agent of Evolution' if you want to read about Hicks' life story. Told in the words of those around him, ther's an odd sense of bitterness from his best frined in quite a few passages. I think his natural successor is Doug Stanhope. I saw him twice last year and he was sensational.

  • March 17, 2010, 4:58 a.m. CST

    American Mythos

    by Player_Two_has_entered_the_game

    Agreed. Bill's comment on people who sell out and do commericals even after they are stinking rich, reinforces even more why Hicks was great and Leary is an establishment pussy.

  • March 17, 2010, 5:02 a.m. CST

    Mockingbuddha

    by spud mcspud

    Yeah, I wasn't clear on what I meant by "easier" - I meant in a life-threatening kind of way, it's easier to do stand up in Chicago than go on patrol in Afghnistan. Unless the stand-up is Jeff Dunham and he's doing the Achmed routine in the middle of Kabul... I'd imagine that'd be kind of dangerous!<P> And don't under-estimate your own job - depending on which inner city it is (and he kind of area it's in), I'd say your job could be as dangerous as a soldier's some days. Well, if DANGEROUS MINDS and THE PRINCIPAL are to be believed anyway :D

  • March 17, 2010, 5:07 a.m. CST

    ebonic_plague

    by spud mcspud

    FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMM!!!<P> Mel Gibson needs a punch to the gunt for that fucking movie. Had it been a fictional movie about fictional people then hey, it's classic - but as a historical movie? BOLLOCKS!!!<P> Ahem.<P> Agreed on Bill Maher. It's a shame because he can be quite smart and witty, but the smugness and the I'm-so-sure-I'm-right-I-don't-have-to-listen-to-your-side-of-the-argument attitude turn me off his stuff. And I DEFINITELY agree on the idea of a Left comic holding both sides to account at any slightest whiff of bullshit. Problem is, that guy was Hicks...<P> Yeah, he'll be missed, if only for his honesty.

  • March 17, 2010, 5:09 a.m. CST

    American Mythos

    by spud mcspud

    Okay, now you got me piqued. What's the name of this book you read about Mother Theresa? 'Cos it sounds interesting. That can go on the leaning tower of unread books that are currently stacked around my bed right now.<P> Sounds interesting though. That'd be a hell of a shame, losing your faith after literally a lifetime of service...

  • March 17, 2010, 5:15 a.m. CST

    Ace of Wands - Here goes...

    by spud mcspud

    "The Germans had forces in the French coastal regions but that was to defend against invasion forces." - Who were there to liberate a sovereign nation that HAD BEEN INVADED BY THE GERMANS. So it's a pretty solid guess they wanted the UK next.<P> "They never amassed an armada of ships and troop carriers as they would have had to do if they actually planned to invade and they were stretched fighting on too many fronts already- the Russian front in particular incurring them many losses- to have the manpower to open another front in Britain" - You answered you own question. Perhaps they were trying to get on top of their losses on the Russian front in order to THEN get their men to organise an invasion force to take Britain with. It's hard to organise an invasion force when you're stretched to breaking point on all these other fronts - but that doesn't mean invasion wasn't their plan...<P> "they did occupy some of the channel Islands but they are not strictly speaking part of Britain, different laws apply there to the mainland and they never amassed the amount of troops and hardware on those islands they would need to have done to use the islands as a stepping stone to Britain." - Well, first, you're splitting hairs - those islands are considered part of the UK, even if their laws are different, in the same way that two states with differing laws are still part of the United States. And maybe they were planning on massing their forces - again, AFTER winning those pesky battles on all the other fronts.<P> So if Germany didn't want to invade Britain, then WHY go after us the way that they did? Go on, amuse me...

  • March 17, 2010, 5:20 a.m. CST

    BSB - Possessed? Moi??

    by spud mcspud

    YOUR MOTHER EATS BAGS OF DICKS IN HELL!!!!<p> **makes appropriately pervy tongue gestures, is eventually vanquished by Jason Miller**

  • March 17, 2010, 5:22 a.m. CST

    BSB - In fairness to the Hicks disciples...

    by spud mcspud

    They're not only fucking FEROCIOUS in their devotion to the man, they're also (in the main) loquacious, intelligent, reasonable and are fantastic people to debate. This Talkback may well have re-affirmed my faith in humanity. I mean, even American Mythos and myself are on good terms now after a rocky start about 50 posts up.<P> They're a decent bunch :D

  • March 17, 2010, 5:24 a.m. CST

    CAPTZEEP

    by Dr_Proteus

    "Booooooooorrrrrrrrrrrrrring Do people really buy this crap? Putting a shiny cellophane wrapper on the conventional wisdom and calling it rebellion?" Ooh, you know what Bill's doing now, he's going for the 'wrapping conventional wisdom and calling it rebellion' dollar. That's a big dollar. We've done research - huge market. "it's been one of America's biggest and most successful businesses since the 60's." Oh man, he is not doing that. You fucking evil scumbag!

  • March 17, 2010, 5:51 a.m. CST

    @Spud. I think the think about Hicks fans

    by V'Shael

    is that, for all the cynicism with all sides of the political divide, and the disgust at hypocrites (whether political, religious or whatever), they got Bills ultimate message. Namely that this is all just a ride...

  • March 17, 2010, 6:42 a.m. CST

    Do people really buy this crap? Putting a shiny cellophane wrapp

    by Sepulchrave

    Worked for Jesus' tired old schtick.

  • March 17, 2010, 11:41 a.m. CST

    Dear Spud

    by schadenfreudian

    I haven't been chiming in TOO much in these debates, because frankly, it sounds like most peoples' minds are already made up, and Hicks was either the greatest comedian of the last 30 years, or boring hack who didn't tell jokes or say anything funny, apparently. I didn't feel it necessary to add to the white noise, but I just wanted to pipe up and say thanks for being a reasonable and fair debatorist (tm), which is a refreshing change of pace on these Talkbacks.

  • March 17, 2010, 11:47 a.m. CST

    "direct law via a local lawman"

    by schadenfreudian

    And that lawman is Edward Woodward (NOT Nick Cage).

  • March 17, 2010, 12:54 p.m. CST

    Ace of Wands

    by Player_Two_has_entered_the_game

    Yeah I do and I don't need to buy one as I have a dictionary right here...ah here it is...oh look! One of the meanings is "The incoming or first attack of anything hurtful or pernicious". Hmm sounds like bombing a country to me if you want to get really pedantic about it. <p>As for living in the underground, what you do think the people did down there? Sit around for half an hour, have a nice cup of tea and wait for the bombs to stop falling like it was a mild rain shower!? Unlike you and your pasting from the internet, I know first hand information from my grandparents just what it was like for them in the underground during the London blitz. It's also common knowledge here that the stations were used to HOUSE over 150000 people. Ok I'll let you get back to being a self righteous little cunt with Spud now.

  • March 17, 2010, 1:23 p.m. CST

    Ace of Wands

    by spud mcspud

    "With regard to the landing in Britain the Führer has not up to now expressed such an intention, as he fully appreciates the unusual difficulties of such an operation."<P> Which could be taken to mean that the Fuhrer thought about it, and then changed his mind having encountered more resistance and difficulty in taking the fronts Germany was fighting than he originally envisioned - which doesn't necessarily preclude the idea that Germany were aiming to invade AFTER bringing Britain to its knees. Imagine this: Germany wins the fronts it was fighting in Europe. The US doesn't get involved. Germany regains aerial superiority, bombs the shit out of the UK until it is virtually defenceless. Do you think Germany WOULDN'T have gone after the UK? Perfect base of operations for running the rest of a unified German-occupied Europe, isn't it?<P> If Germany were not out to invade Britain (admittedly AFTER they'd occupied Europe to get to Britain) then what exactly do you think they wanted to do with us? Kind of pointless destroying us for no reason, don't you think??

  • March 17, 2010, 1:25 p.m. CST

    Battle_Royale_with_cheese

    by spud mcspud

    You know, it's just great to have a civil debate for a change. Take Ace of Wands here - through this whole meeting of minds we got going on here, I'm also learning a hell of a lot more about WW2 than I did, as I'm having to go research what he's on about as I reply. Which unfortunately now has to stop as I'm off ofr a night out with Mrs spud-To-Be and the in-laws, for my first ever taste of Greek food. Looking forward to it!<P> Have fun guys, and I'll speak tomorrow :D

  • March 17, 2010, 1:30 p.m. CST

    Order Spanikopida, Spud

    by schadenfreudian

    You won't regret it.

  • March 17, 2010, 1:36 p.m. CST

    you realize

    by evil dead 3d

    those last two are hitler posts... u do realize that don't you? we started with bill hicks and ended with hitler can't u all even TRY TO BUCK THE statistical eventualities?

  • March 17, 2010, 1:43 p.m. CST

    The trailer sucked....

    by mjgtexas

    I just don't see Bill listening to Sia.

  • March 17, 2010, 7:10 p.m. CST

    Spud, the book is called

    by American Mythos

    Mother Teresa: Come Be My Light, written by Father Brian Kolodiejchuk. I haven't read it, but I've read about the controversy surrounding it. I know what you mean about heaps of unread books. In fact, I bought an Amazon Kindle just to cut down on the clutter of my unread books.

  • March 18, 2010, 2:14 a.m. CST

    Ace of Wands

    by Player_Two_has_entered_the_game

    Yeah yeah enough already! Can we get back to the topic in hand - Bill Hicks please?

  • March 18, 2010, 5 a.m. CST

    Ace of Wands

    by spud mcspud

    I'm from the East Midlands in the UK, so I'm familiar with the primary reason for the Blitz and other air raids being to prevent re-arming and to destroy current targets - hell, Derby got bombed to hell and back because of the concentration of Rolls-Royce plants that were helping to produce Merlin engines for the Spitfires, Hurricanes and such. It would make sense to destroy the offensive capabilities of one of your more dangerous enemies. But to then just invade Europe and leave Britain a smoking ruin - wouldn't there have always been the chance that Britain would have regrouped, rearmed, gone to the US for help, and reignited the bid to oust Germany from ruling Europe (assuming their plans to take and keep Europe had worked)? Granted, this would take years and years, but I kind of think the only way Germany would have stopped Britain from coming back at a German-occupied and owned Europe would be to also occupy Britain. I suppose there's always the chance that, had Germany won Europe and occupied everything there, that Britain could have looked at the task of retaking it back from Germany, thought "No chance, too many of them, it's too powerful now" and opened trade with the new United Nations of Germany after the war ended - but the patriot in me likes to think we'd have carried on fighting then. Plus, Churchill was a bit of warmonger, wasn't he? (Not a criticism - kind of necessary in fact during a war).<P> This is all conjecture though (except for all the facts you've been throwing at me, and I've been trying to keep up with). And I've got to give your side of the story more credence than most due to your obvious interest in this and your RAF experience. So, I ask you this: Assuming Germany won the war insofar as occupying, assimilating and eventually ruling Europe, what do you think their plans for Britain would have been??<P> Just curious. And don't worry about the "fucking idiot" thing - unspeakable things get thrown around in the AICN TBs, which is part of the fun. In fact, that's one of the mildest insults I've had in a while :D

  • March 18, 2010, 5:02 a.m. CST

    Player_Two_has_entered_the_game

    by spud mcspud

    Sit back, crack open something nice, and drink deep of all this choice WW2 fact based goodness!! You might learn something :D

  • March 18, 2010, 5:06 a.m. CST

    Sepulchrave

    by spud mcspud

    "Jesus' tired old schtick"?? Young man, that tired old schtick inspired Bill S Preston esquire and Ted Theodore Logan, the legendary Wyld Stallyns, to formulate their literally world-altering philosophy "Be excellent to each other, Party on Dude!!", which (coupled with their music) helped to align the planets, bringing them into universal harmony, enabling meaningful contact and communication with all forms of life. They eradicate war, poverty, and evil. Hardly "tired old schtick". That, my friend, is why Jesus is still being talked about with such passion these days, and why you will be forgotten before your grave turns cold. Have a nice day :D

  • March 18, 2010, 5:08 a.m. CST

    American Mythos

    by spud mcspud

    You are contributing to the dumbing down of society! Without printed books, authors will starve to death worldwide due to widespread ebook piracy, no more books will be written, and the world will fall into Idiocracy. I hope you're happy >;P

  • March 18, 2010, 5:12 a.m. CST

    Battle_Royale_with_cheese

    by spud mcspud

    So what's spanikopida, then? Didn't have that at the restaurant, but I DID try a Loukanika (greek pork sausage) starter, some meat moussaka (which was AMAZING) for a main, and some paklava for dessert, which was REALLY sweet but nice - kind of like a Danish cinnamon bun but sweeter. As my first taste of Greek cuisine, I can't believe I've lived 38 years without meat moussaka so far, and I'm DEFINITELY trying more of that stuff!!

  • March 18, 2010, 5:14 a.m. CST

    Oh yeah - Bill Hicks!

    by spud mcspud

    I liked him, thought he was funny, bit bitter towards the end though, and a bit over-rated. Still a loss, though, as I think his material would have gotten funnier, more urgent, and more relevant as he got older, so it's a shame we lost him so young, and to something as dumb as a smoking habit. Back to the off-topics... :D

  • March 18, 2010, 11:12 a.m. CST

    "I'm Jim Fix and I'm dead now"

    by Mr_George_Kaplan

    "And I don't know what the fuck happened"<P>Bill Hicks had a huge effect on me when I was a younger. I still find myself agreeing with almost everything he said.

  • March 18, 2010, 11:20 a.m. CST

    dammit

    by Mr_George_Kaplan

    Oh yeah and I will be watching this film. Didn't make that clear. And I've just been reading the posts and it's 'Fixx' not 'Fix'. That's because I heard it and didn't read it.

  • March 18, 2010, 11:36 a.m. CST

    Spud-

    by schadenfreudian

    Spanakopita (I guess I was spelling it wrong... but you don't spell it, son, you EAT it) is basically Greek quiche. A savory pie with super flaky crust & feta and spinach inside. Good shit.

  • March 18, 2010, 6:56 p.m. CST

    Ace of Wands

    by spud mcspud

    If I ever intend trying to better Robert Harris' FATHERLAND with my own WW2 Alternate History novel, you are DEFINITELY the man to come to! Plus, your TB handle is based on one of the better lesser-known 70s kids SF/fantasy series :D<P> But seriusly, interesting stuff. Thanks for enlightening me. And that story about Rudolf Hess - well, there HAS to be a dark occult action thriler in there somewhere...

  • March 18, 2010, 6:57 p.m. CST

    Battle_Royale_with_cheese

    by spud mcspud

    That sounds awesome. I'm a bit of a quiche fiend anyway, so spanakopita is definitely on my Greek food to-eat list!! Cheers dude!

  • March 19, 2010, 5:29 a.m. CST

    Ace of Wands

    by spud mcspud

    The really annoying thing is, near where I live in the East Midlands, there's a cinema called QUAD in the centre of Derby. This Saturday they're having a 70s British kids' TV retrospective - and they've got Graeme Harper popping in to intro the showing of CAVES OF ANDROZANI, which he directed! - and they're showing ACE OF WANDS as part of the line-up. This is annoying because I'm at BLOODY WORK ALL DAY!!<P> Damn damn damn.<P> I vaguely remember the show, but I was born in 1972 so would have been quite young. I never lost that love for 70s apocalyptic kids' TV though - EVERYTHING seemed to be scarier than kids' TV is now. And it does amaze me how few people spot the obvious rip-offs these days in British SF TV - I was thoroughly enjoying TORCHWOOD: CHILDREN OF EARTH (way more than the pointlessly in-your-face childishly shocking first two seasons) and then realised why: because, plot point for plot-point, it was a remake of the 1978 John Mills mini-series THE QUATERMASS CONCLUSION. They even ended it in the same way! (Though if were EXACTLY like QUATERMASS, Captai Jack should have died along with the person who did die...)<P> Will be researching this Hess story - sounds potentially very interesting. And thank you for handing my ass to me in this TB - I've learned a lot of interesting stuff about WW2 from you, and there's a lot for me to chew over and go research up on from your posts - it's been a pleasure debating with you :D