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Quint visits the set of TRON: LEGACY!
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Ahoy, squirts! Quint here. Boy howdy, do I have some stuff to tell you folks.
I was lucky enough to get an invite to the set of TRON. It was a junket visit, which I usually don’t accept… the idea is what’s the point? If I’m in a group of 15 other online outlets the only thing I can give to you guys is a slight variation of the exact same story at the same time as other sites.
I took this visit for a number of reasons, the most important reason being my giant curiosity about this project. The trailer shown at Comic-Con ’08 blew my mind, the promise of the movie is huge, but Disney has kept the flick under the radar up until now. At the point of this visit they hadn’t confirmed half the cast and had released zero images, art or otherwise.
And I’m also a massive Tron nerd. I loved the movie growing up and find new things to love about it every time I rewatch it. I own a kick-ass Australian one-sheet for the original which prominently features Sark. That poster is framed and hangs in my bedroom. Here’s the art, though it’s a Spanish version of the poster:
So I took the trip, joining about 9 other outlets, including MTV, FirstShowing.net, IGN and ComingSoon, but apparently the big online press day was the day following my visit. The LatinoReviews and CHUDs, etc, so hopefully I’ll have something slightly different than most of the other sites.
My trip into Vancouver was stress-free and I arrived in plenty of time to get a full night’s sleep before the big day. Unfortunately for me BREWSTER’S MILLIONS started on some Canadian movie channel right as I was getting into bed and before I realized it I watched the whole thing and I was 6 hours away from my wake-up call. Richard Pryor and John Candy were worth it, though! I probably hadn’t watched that movie from beginning to end in 10 years. Such a good movie.
Disney’s sweaty man-God Andrew Runyon rounded us all together and piled us on the shuttle bound for the Canada Motion Picture Park, the same series of offices and studios that were used on WATCHMEN. To show you how long ago this was, we all started getting word from Twitter, txts and emails on the way to the studio that Michael Jackson had died.
The geek out started creeping up when we walked into the production offices marked TRON, in that awesome nostalgic TRON font.
We walked up a flight of stairs and the unit publicist said that when Zack Snyder was working there would always be a set of weights at the bottom of the stairs and one set at the top. Everyone going up and down was expected to carry them, an effort on Zack’s part to keep everybody fit during production.
When I entered the show room, walls lined with production art and live action stills, I could literally hear the Wendy Carlos TRON score playing in my head.
There was a character section immediately to my right as I entered the room, a series of photographs of all the main characters in costume, labeled with the character names.
Let’s start with the obvious:
Kevin Flynn, Jeff Bridges. There were two sets of photos, one set featuring Flynn in a black robe with white lining. He looked a little Jedi-ish with the hood up, but fairly normal with it down. Full head of hair, full beard.
The other set featured Flynn in a white Tron world suit. It’s not like the suit in the first movie, more textured with white light lines. He was barefoot in this outfit, like in the teaser. His jacket was removed in one still, his undershirt leaving his arms bare up to the shoulder.
The coolest part was a shot of him in this suit, back to the camera. There was a circular indentation on his back, lined with white light. This is obviously where his disk goes.
Right underneath Flynn was another familiar character, Clu… the Flynn program in the first film if you remember. Clu’s not a good guy this time out. I asked producer (Sean Bailey) about it. Is this the Clu from the first film gone bad a new character? He only grinned and said, “It’s Clu version 2.0.”
His outfit is sleek black with dark Orange lighted lines, helmet as sleek and obsidian as his outfit. Underneath he will be 1982 Flynn.
There’s a new character that is Flynn’s right hand man, a program called Rinzler, also shiny black, but he’s more slender with harsh yellow light lines. He wields two discs instead of one. We got a demonstration from prop master Jimmy Chow later in the visit and Rinzler’s disk literally splits in half, giving him two thinner weapons.
Some of the disks this time around have holes in the middle. Rinzler’s does… they look like those toys from the ‘80s... don’t remember what they’re called, but they were thin and red. Remember those or am I going crazy?
Other new characters include someone called Jarvis, Castor (played by FROST VS. NIXON’s Michael Sheen) with a light-cane, all white outfit and slicked back white hair, Sirens (female programs… in the production art they were mouthless, draped in clear overcoats and pale white with white light lines) and Black Guards, characters that are bulky and armored with translucent blue energy wings, positioned like that of a fly: two over the shoulder and two underneath each arm. Not sure what that’s for… a shield of some kind, maybe?
Waiting for us on the table were Viewmasters with the TRON logo on them. Held up to the light we could see 8 or 10 stereoscopic set photos, including one shot I tried to impress on the Disney people and producers would make a KILLER teaser poster.
It’s a shot of Garrett Hedlund playing Sam Flynn, Kevin Flynn’s son, and protagonist of the story. He’s in his Tron suit, lit up light blue, and standing in front of a strong blue light. The harsh light silhouettes him, leaving all his features and the detail of the suit in blackness. He’s kinda looking over his shoulder, the only thing you can see of the suit are the radiant light lines.
It’s a striking image: a hero’s pose.
This is a good time to talk about the suits. There are two color systems for the light lines. The baddies have harsh colors like oranges and yellows. The goodies have more mellow colors… whites, blues and greens.
Unlike the first film the majority of the suits aren’t white leotards, but more rubberized black. Seeing them hanging on clothes hangers in the wardrobe department it’s easy to see a Nolan’s Batman influence, but thankfully they don’t really look that when worn, with the lights illuminated. There are white suits, more like the first one, but it’s not the most common.
The lights are a new innovation, a type of flexible rubberized lamp that is somehow built using a sort of adapted silk screening process. Every suit has its own illumination for every shot. Because they’re shooting in 3-D it’s nearly impossible to add in the light as a digital effect in post.
They’re shooting 3-D with a Sony F35, but the opening of the movie, taking place in modern day real world 2010, will be 2-D, the 3-D not kicking in until we drop into the digital world of Tron. It’s a sort of WIZARD OF OZ moment when Sam Flynn drops into the TRON world in search of his missing father.
Apparently the flick opens in 1989 with Flynn being the super successful head of Encom. He had a child shortly after the events of the first film and reads a bedtime story to the now 7 year old before leaving for the night and disappearing off the face of the earth. The bedtime story is supposed to be an analogy to his work.
It’s a big media event… it’d be like if Bill Gates just disappeared one day. Encom tries to calm the worry over the company by saying it’s no big deal… Flynn was eccentric, so he probably just went on a sabbatical or something, right? A faction appears contradicting this, sure something is wrong. This group is led by one Mr. Alan Bradley, played by a returning Bruce Boxleitner.
Without a dad and, apparently, a dead mom, Sam grows up with his grandparents and even though he’s now legally the largest shareholder in Encom he doesn’t want any of it, living modestly in a shipping container reconstituted into a home on the river with a beautiful view of the city and Encome itself. The 2010 Encom building is the newly built Shangri La Hotel in Vancouver, by the way.
One day Alan comes to him with a bit of data he got off of an Encom computer (he still works there, but has been marginalized since Flynn’s disappearance) that might lead them to Kevin Flynn. Sam reluctantly goes on the search, which begins in Flynn’s Arcade, perfectly reconstructed from the previous film. I saw a 3-D still later in the visit of the arcade with dozens of vintage arcade games covered in plastic, with the TRON game under a bright neon sign declaring “FLYNN’S – HOME OF TRON.” It’s the original TRON arcade game we all grew up with, but in this world it’s an Encom game, not a Bally’s game. You’ve seen a great deal of Flynn’s Arcade in the trailer and it was just as striking in the still I saw.
That begins Sam’s descent down the rabbit’s hole.
Things you should know about this world, information gathered from Q&As with the producers, art director, the tour around the production art room and some bits snatched from private conversations with the team there:
- The digital Tron world is a creation of Flynn and is hosted on private 1989 servers, not connected to the internet.
- The producers described this digital world as the computer equivalent of the Galapagos Islands. The digital world has evolved on its own, with no outside influence since Flynn built it.
- The world is darker than the previous, with an obvious BLADE RUNNER influence, apt because the designer of Ridley Scott’s futurist world was Syd Mead who also designed much of the original TRON world.
- Syd Mead came in for a day to give his thoughts on what the design team has churned out thus far.
- There’s a stadium where games are played this time out, presided over by Clu.
- When talking to the producers they said they went into this sequel (which holds the record for most time passed between an original film and its sequel, with returning cast, we were told) with the mindset that there were 4 things they owed the fans: Lit suits, Jeff Bridges, light cycles and a feeling that this movie is something new just as the original was something no one had seen before.
- They made mention that Flynn and Clu square off at some point in the movie. I. Can’t. Wait. The Dude vs. Starman? Brilliant.
- Director Joseph Kosinski is a first time feature director, but you know his work from the GEARS OF WAR Mad World commercial and that great HALO 3 Starry Night commercial. He’s a graduate of Columbia with a degree in architecture, so the visual look of the film is extremely important to him.
- TRON: LEGACY is NOT a mo-cap production. They’re shooting 64 or 65 days with real sets. Obviously blue-screen plays a large role to help create the digital world of Tron, but a lot of real sets are not only built, but used throughout the film.
- Kosinski plans to vary up his shooting techniques throughout the production in order to never tip his hand on how the world is being presented to the audience. There will be motion capture for some scenes (lightcycles) and characters (but with the real actor’s faces filmed and put onto the CG character), but totally in-camera segments for others. Sometimes he’ll mix and match depending on what’s best for the scene.
- There is some exploration of the religious undertones of the original, ie The Users. This time I’m guessing Flynn himself is a deity since he is the creator of this world and inhabits it.
- Bit will not make an appearance, which makes me sad. No no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no.
- The name of the company that created the shipping containers that Sam lives in at the beginning of the story is DUMONT (at least in the production art). Nice nod, eh?
- There will be new disk game played, but we weren’t told what they’d be. We did see some artwork from an arena which was just four hallways intersecting at a circular chamber.
- There’s a new Solar Sailor, which looks pretty much like the original, but with a purple color scheme and a thicker middle to hold more programs.
- Look for a vehicle called the Light Runner, a low-riding car built for speed, but that turns into a dune buggy type vehicle when off-road. It’s not a drastic change or a morphing thing… essentially the cab sits up a little higher and the wheels sprout ridges like a kleet.
- Another new vehicle was called Clu’s Throne Ship, dark black ship with Clu’s dark orange light scheme… think the basic shape of Luke’s landspeeder, but much larger and as an enclosed ship with glass ceilings. Also there was a little hammerhead-like shape instead of a rounded or pointed front. There was some beautiful artwork of Clu lounging on an obsidian throne in the ship, the world of TRON seen through the large windows above.
- The world of Tron is one big city and the more you get out of the city center you lose definition and symmetry, eventually falling off into the Sea of Simulation according to the production designer, Darren Gilford.
- Gilford also said there are a lot of soft-cornered hexagons built into the architecture of the world.
- There will be an interim lightcycle, bridging the first movie to the second. The riders are exposed in the 2010 Tron universe, something Steven Lisberger tried to do with the original, but the technology wasn’t there, so they had to dome it, apparently that dome being one of the most complicated effects for the computers to pull off back in the day. So between the old lightcycles and the new, rider-exposed cycles there is one that Flynn rides that is an amalgam of the two, with the newer design and look, but the dome of the original.
- The Recognizors are back and they have a loading system where programs can enter the “feet,” a sort of elevator-like enclosure, that takes them to the bridge. Other than a little more texture and definition they seem relatively unchanged.
- There will be a new video game released at the same time as the new TRON movie. The game developers (Disney’s in-house people) have been working closely with the designers of the movie to really make it a part of the movie experience.
I’ve been asked by the folks at Disney to break the report up into two pieces, one running now and one closer to release, so I figure this is a good spot to split them.
The second piece is the actual visit to the set, which was a real deal practical set (with a lot of bluescreen out the windows)… a club in the TRON world called End of Line Club run by Sheen’s program. Tron nerds’ ears perked up at that name, I bet.
This club featured cameos by Daft Punk (as DJs, naturally) and original director Steven Lisberger. I got to meet Lisberger, but not Daft Punk, sorry to say. Here’s a preview of that set:
In part two I’ll describe that set, what we saw filming and go over our interviews with Lisberger, Olivia Wilde, Michael Sheen and Garrett Hedlund. Oh, and I’ll tell you what it was like holding an original TRON disc. (Hint: It was forking awesome!)
-Quint
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awesome
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Wow.
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Looks cool.
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Quint, you left me feeling December is too far away...<p> Any idea as to what 'stage' of the production we're at?<p> Seems weird to have the release date so far away when the trailer footage looks so 'finished'. Are they holding back the finished movie to give the marketing people time to do their thing?
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I thought this thing woulda had over 100 posts by now. Anyway, can't wait to see this movie!!
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Were the thin, red discs with the hole in the middle. Could send them a damn sight further than normal frisbees. Cool report Quint.
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is now contractual in every film that comes out
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Can't wait to watch it.
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And he's getting more and more respect as an actor. i wonder if sometimes Kate Beckinsale regrets divorcing him, now that Sheen is more famous and accomplished in his career, while her actual husband is known for the guy who pussified DIE HARD.
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... and made one hell of a good time with the Reasonable Priced Car track challenge. You guys think Top Gear will ever invite Len Hack Wiseman? They could invite Beckinsale, though, she would be good value for the show.
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2 or 3 years?<p> Seems like effin ever
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-- was ok. Nothing special, I thought. Then again, I didn't grow up with it. Maybe it's like The Goonies in that sense. It's just so much better if you grew up with it.
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Seeing those sets I can see them coming from the first movie. Glad it won't be Matrix ripoff for a real world looking type.
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March 16, 2010, 6:39 a.m. CST
One of the goofiest, TMI lines I've ever read on this site...
by BurnHollywood
"Unfortunately for me BREWSTER’S MILLIONS started on some Canadian movie channel right as I was getting into bed and before I realized it I watched the whole thing and I was 6 hours away from my wake-up call. Richard Pryor and John Candy were worth it, though!"<p> Wow. Do tell. Did you take off your right shoe first, or your left? How about your socks?
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Awesome
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I'm calling it now. If we get a third TRON it'll involve the Tron-world getting hooked up to the internet and fending off viruss etc.
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Nothing to add except I'm really looking forward to this. Usually a sequel coming out so many years later is an instant warning alarm of impending shit. But everything I've seen so far seems to say that Tron Legacy is going to be a blast.
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Tron is going to be amazing. And those sets look very good. Shame you didnt meet Daft Punk, Quint! Their music in the trailer was off the chain.
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... and didn't know it; they were probably hanging around the set in crushed velvet lightcyclist suits.
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March 16, 2010, 7:52 a.m. CST
What's wrong with Olivia Wilde's ass in that first pic?...
by FlickaPoo
...respectfully, it appears she's carrying a load in those drawers.
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Gotta see this movie.
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Don't worry - if you look at the second Olivia pic you can see that her cossy includes some kind of rubberised split skirt/tailcoat affair. Seen from the back at that angle it just looks like she's wearing skin-tight pants over giant buttocks. Thankfully this isn't the case!
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after hearing from Quint that she missed Brewster's Millions on TV the night before. I feel for her.
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March 16, 2010, 8:24 a.m. CST
Rewatching Tron recently I realized it used to terrify me
by SoylentMean
I was really, really young when I first saw Tron and it scared the crap out of me. I don't think it was the ideas presented in the film that put the fear in me, it was the design. I'm pretty sure that I used to get upset by the notion of the programs being stuck and under the ruthless control of the MCP. <P> I also remember there being a lot more to the lightcycle scenes. Kairos vs. Chronos. <P>
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So, this is why everything in this article is wrong. The movie makers tell Harry they "owe" the fans four things. "Lit suits, Jeff Bridges, light cycles and a feeling that this movie is something new just as the original was something no one had seen before."<p><p>1) Lit Suits (presume you mean Lite Suits, unless they're designed to allow the wearer to read BILLY BUDD without actually having to read it). So they owe it to the fans to have it, but they've made sure these suits in no way resemble the suits of the original. No! These suits are "cooler" and therefore have less circuitry, less of an armored look, in fact just look like home made fan suits with glow-in-the-dark tape bought from Toys R Us. So, strike one. There AREN'T any of the uniform suits from the first movie seen anywhere. You know, it's ALMOST as if they felt obliged in order to please a particular group to put SOMETHING in that would VAGUELY resemble these suits, to please fans, but wanted to make sure that they made the suits resemble the original as little as they felt they could get away with. Hmmmm!!!!!<p><p>2) Jeff Bridges. It's clear from the trailer that Jeff won't be making much of an impact as far as his own physical presence. There'll be much talk of him being 'The King' of the world, but he's missing at the beginning and he's clearly going to NOT be the main character. And when we see him as Clu et al he has the same look via thw special effects as those scenes on AMERICA'S FUNNIEST HOME VIDEOS where they have a giant Tom Bergeron head that they stick onto the body of other people suffering crotch shots. You know, it's ALMOST as if they felt obliged in order to please a particular group to put SOMETHING in that would VAGUELY include Jeff Bridges the actual ACTOR, to please fans, but wanted to make sure that they included an expensive actor as little as they felt they could get away with. Strike two!<p><p>3)Light Cycles. Except for one problem. The cycles in this new movie don't turn at perfect angles and behave just like real world motorcycles, which any viewing of THE LOST BOYS will tell you makes for reallllllllly dull watching, you know, wow, people on motorcycles that move...just like motorcycles. You know, it's almost as if they felt the need to include the IDEA of a Light Cycle but made sure that it resembled the original as little as possible! Strike three!<p><p>Something New We've Never Seen Before. STOP ME IF THIS SOUNDS FUCKING FAMILIAR!!!!!!! "So, yeah, it's just like the original, except now the heroes use TWO of the signature magic weapon instead of one when they duel! IT'S GONNA BE OFFADAHOOKIZZLE!" I can't wait until Michael Sheen's Castor starts dancing. Remember how AWESOME the dancing was in SPIDER MAN 3, or FANTASTIC FOUR 2 or PERCY JACKSON? We ALL love those dance sequences in these movies! THEY ALWAYS LOOK GREAT! Will Michael Sheen's Castor start saying "Meesa poo poo and pee pee and caca?"<p><p>The verdict? Harry just bought into the hype. HYPE REFUTED!
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Black rubbery suits. The hero has his home in a shipping container (ala the Dark Knight). Clu's ship looks like Luke's landspeeder. Matrix style action. I think the team behind this is trying a little too hard to appease the geeks. Oh well, still looks entertaining. I wonder if they will all get kinda drunk on sparkly water like in the first one.
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(and I'm almost betting that they will if Alice in Wonderland is any indication of what all these movies getting the last minute 3D treatment look like) I'd say Tron Legacy will be the movie to sucker people back in. Because it looks amazing.
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You could park a light cycle in that ass.
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Hacked?
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Why is this tb italic?<p> Olivia Wilde sat on it.
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You got more points if you hit somebody in the throat or the face. Those things left a mark.
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Just kiddin'. Tryin' to give Cobra Kai an embolism. Worship away.
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...she needs to start eating, or she'll look like Maria Shriver by the time she's 32.
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hah hah hah haaaa haaaa
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March 16, 2010, 9:16 a.m. CST
Italic talkback FTW!
by ISleptWithKathyBatesAndAllThatIGotWasThisStupidTalkbackName
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So now the film makers don't have to wonder if they'll get a good review from AICN. Whew!
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Cause I think I have been there so many times before http://tinyurl.com/ykjxpll
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March 16, 2010, 9:33 a.m. CST
Do I need to watch the first movie b4 seeing this?
by SkidMarkedUndies
Just wondering.
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...a fucking virus you're going to regret the day you were born.
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isnt it all greenscreen?
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March 16, 2010, 9:51 a.m. CST
I thought this was gonna be about Tron Bon Jovi
by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks
Fuck this crap!
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. . . from the original movie. So, yes, you should watch the original before seeing this, just for the orientation. Sort of like homework. It probably isn't as much fun to watch if you aren't nostalgic for it, but it will still probably be useful reference. And it's fun to watch as a piece of film history. When watching the computer animated sequences, keep in mind that there was no "tweening" back in the day--the coordinates for everything being animated, and the camera moves, had to be entered by hand, frame by frame.<br><br> They got to shoot at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, and much of the interiors for Encom (except the cubicle farms) are shot there, including the giant door. That was a real giant door.<br><br>When they are talking in Flynn's little apartment above the arcade, and Flynn is sitting down, he has a metal pole running up his back to keep his position fixed, because the slightest movement would throw him out of focus.<br><br> Interactions between characters in the Tron world were often shot separately, again because more than once character could not be kept in focus at a time. Some of my favorite interactions in that movie did not happen in real time.<br><br>The movie is worth watching for David Warner's performance alone. "Bring in the logic probe!" <br><br>Despite all the deal made about the CGI in Tron--what with it being the first movie to really use CGI--not that much of it is actually computer animated. Almost all of those computer landscapes are airbrushed, and many of the fx (sparks, flashes, displays, discs, the com towers coming online) are hand animated.<br><br>When doing the movie originally, all the stuff in the computer world was exposed to special film, bulk ordered from Kodak, so animators could work on it (they blocked out an area for the circuitry exposure, areas of highlight eyes and teeth, and more such stuff). Though the bulk ordered film was numbered, they ended up processing it out of sequencing, resulting in visible changes in exposure for the finished product. So they had Disney animators add flashes and lighting effects in the background to make the flashes look like it was just part of the overall environment. "Man, this isn't happening. It only thinks it's happening."<br><br>Finally, it looks like Flynn took Dillinger's desk and put it in his hidden office at his arcade. Sweet!
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March 16, 2010, 10:20 a.m. CST
Olivia Wilde is the Goddes of the Tron world
by judge dredds fresh undies
As if film didnt look amazing enough already.
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Reading it is like making love to such a sexy virgin young lady who is tight and wet but kind of look like a 29 years old Belarusian who work at a cinema cleaning popcorn
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is a must see...you would not believe what artists had to do way back in the day when computers were babies.
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I can only imagine your final review will be gushing when you're already cheerleading about a movie you haven't seen yet.
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i can't wait
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Saw the HD master of Tron on HD Net a few weeks back. Hadn't seen it in probably 10+ years, as it's damn near impossible to find in video stores around here. Before I watched it, I was already excited because the Dude was back and I knew it had the always gorgeous Olivia "13" Wilde in it. After getting that refresher on the original Tron and remembering how badass it was to me as a kid, I truly CAN'T WAIT FOR DECEMBER!
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Are you sure Tron has the record for most time between a film and its sequel? I always kind of assumed that record was held by The Hustler and The Color of Money.
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http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/8/2010/03/500x_bats.jpg
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I want to know if their legs invert and come together to crush victims, like in the original film. Because so far, it seems that they do not...
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i can haz.
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'That's Tron. He fights for the users'.
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towards the end(ish) playing air guitar on his cane. btw, saw Alice in 3D at my local Vue; no Tron Legacy trailer. We did get the Dr Who teaser in 3D though, so swings and roundabouts.
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If you have any follow-up with this, please ask why Wendy Carlos isn't involved in any way. I'm not dissing Daft Punk, but her score was as influential as anything in the movie, and it doesn't make any sense not to have her input. I'd love to understand why Lisberger, Bridges, and Boxleitner are back, but not Carlos.
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pleased italics. Also, December is really far away.
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i cant figure out if im more excited about the movie, or the daft punk soundtrack... but you had me at 'hello.'
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...He has a good head on his shoulders. And Tron Legacy is the first trailer in some time to get me as excited as I was to see Dark Knight or There Will Be Blood. I especially liked reading that he used real sets rather than completely relying on digital effects. Bravo! Bravo!
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That Ziggy Stardust freaky lookin guy in the trailer was Michael Sheen? I'm gonna have to go freeze frame that shitake.
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Is Bruce's character aka TRON in the tron world and is he still kicking ass? <br> If CLU is back, does that mean RAM is back too?
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...the best thing about TRON.? He's alive and well. Surely he must be voicing something.?
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Terribly underrated actor.
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Should contribute a new song for the movie, seeing as they're back together now, and make another Tron-like music video like they did back in the day. Their new album comes out in September, would be great timing to amp up some more hype for the movie, their "semi-futuristic" sound would be a perfect fit.
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Yeah, we need more love for Wendy.
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Dude, you aren't kidding about the Aerobie leaving a mark...I got my first one back in 87 or so and tried to catch it on my head. Successfully, I might add, shame about the facial lines that thing created when it spun around my head at 20mph.
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...is trippy!
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I bet I'm a bigger TRON Nerd than you. In fact, I promise it.
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THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE
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...pretended they were a character in TRON.<p> And rightfully so!
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lol I keed, I keed...not sure which one of us registered our nicks first, but I've been posting since 1997 although I lost the password to my previous account and never heard back from anyone about how to get it back. Perhaps we caused Quint to not close his italic tag?
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Don't cross the Sir Loins. It would be bad. Imagine All life as you know it stopping instantaneously and every molecule exploding at the speed of light...
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I wonder which way it'll go? I'm guessing that either when CLU was absorbed by the MCP in the first movie, somehow he was not utterly destroyed when the MCP was destroyed at the end of the movie, and he became some sort of combination MCP/CLU bad guy. Alternately, he could be a CLU re-written by Flynn after the first movie, because Flynn felt frustrated at what happened to the first CLU and then he wound up creating a monster... hey... hmm. If this computer network is shut off from the rest of the Internet, then the first idea doesn't work well, unless the CLU/MCP was copied off Encom computers onto Flynn's personal network... hmm. <p> I never played the Intellivision Solar Sailor game, although I played the Deadly Discs and Maze-a-Tron games. Maze-a-Tron was unfortunately not very fun.Deadly Discs was pretty nice. I also liked the regular TRON arcade game and Discs of TRON variation. I liked the booth variation of the cabinet, where you were actually enclosed somewhat.
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March 16, 2010, 3:38 p.m. CST
Sigue Sigue Sputnik should do the soundtrack.
by I_am_the_ultimate_product
But I guess Daft Punk will have to do.
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There's just something so incredibly off about what is being said and shown here. I am a huge Tron fan, I mourned the day Disneyland took the Peoplemover out so I couldn't ride through the 2 giant Tron projection rooms. But this feels more off than anything in the trailers, so I'm hoping the disparity is the presentation of the information, but the photos of the black rubber suits says way too much in the wrong direction, and having Lisberger cameo as a bartender feels like a rap in the mouth.
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Thanks! Nice they brought him in for a review... good tip of the hat.
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March 16, 2010, 4:08 p.m. CST
some other musicians/bands I'd like to have on the soundtrack...
by cyberskunk
Just for the fun of suggesting something that won't happen:<p> Kraftwerk Suzanne Ciani Wendy Carlos Synergy (Larry Fast) Morton Subnotnick
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look at his website, he's a big rush limbaugh fan. I think that says a lot about the people who are going head over heels on Tron Crystal Skull
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Okay, I'm stoked for the movie, I reallt am, bu tis it just me that looked at the photos of real-world sets and thought - "Hang a banger! There were no sets in TRON - it was all CG or airbrushed background art." Knowing that there are sets that have been built kinda takes some of the excitement away. Gah.
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When Flynn jumped into the MCP at the end of the first movie, he crashed the entire system from what I understood at the time...so I wonder if he was able to retrieve CLU that way? The original CLU seemed pretty wimpy as well, so I wonder how (and if) he's been turned into a bad guy. Corrupted sector on his disc? We are seriously nerding out here, which is awesome.
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By Master Control, there was no other signs of him surviving in the first Tron. Unless Flynn created a CLU upgrade before he turned up missing back in 89. Or he could be shitting out duplicates in the TRON VERSE, Agent Smith style, Either that, or a plot-hole could be on the horizon. <p> END OF LINE.
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Maybe you're holding that back for part two but it seems there should be some mention of him. He is the hero, right? Perhaps Tron Legacy refers to the late/deleted Tron. Maybe Clu kills him or something. Also, there need to be some fat programs called Bank of America and AIG that get their butts kicked and derezzed.
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and he sneaks away to that world whenever he can so he can work on it. Trailer already hints that Flynn saw this world as a solution to the worlds problems. So maybe he was also jumping in and out to improve it and clean it up. Making sure its perfected before he unleashes it upon the masses. Whatever it is Flynn was going in by choice, he was keeping it a secrete from everyone. Something went wrong and now Flynns trapped in there. <P> Clu could be a rouge program stripped of his original header and log file. Corrupted data if you will. A direct result of the database taking a hit after the MCP was killed. <P> When Clu was captured and derezed by the MCP. It's very possible that he wasn't completely destroyed, rather he was placed into a storage group to be slowly rewritten. His header information might have been removed but the log file to his data still remained in the system. After the MCP was killed at the end, it's possible that CLU's data escaped from storage. Rerezing somehow. Some of his code that compiles him might have been written over- since he was going through a stage of total deletion- this could have corrupted his prime directive somehow.<P> Only now theres a problem, Clu is random data, theres no header or log file to trace and erase him, the database was corrupted a little after the MCP was destroyed. Instead of seeking and reporting logs on random data, he is destroying it. Flynn has made stopping him a priority, but he untraceable on the other side of the looking glass. Flynn has to go in to find him. <P> That or like someone else said Flynn created an updated version of Clu to clean up the system <P> Something has gone wrong- maybe he was developed to become independent of the user and to make his own choices. He got power hungry got sick and tired of his command prompts. Went rouge. Flynn had to stop him. Clu kicked his ass and tossed him in a dungeon, and for 20 years this is were Flynn has been. He's on house arrest. Clu has live in programs monitor him- If he does travel. It's under watch somehow. <P> 2 big questions come to mind for me right now. If Flynn is a prisoner. Does he have an identity disc? That's like giving a prisoner a loaded gun. Doesn't compute man.... <P> If the system is closed off from the net. How then does Flynn or a program who wanted to help him. Send a SOS message to Alan's pager? That part is very confusing, and hopefully theres an air tight explanation scene at some point. I got a funny feeling Alan is going to wonder were Sam is at some point and he go to Flynn's, figure out whats going on and rez himself in to save them both. Tron Returns!!!!
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at.all. theres so many fitter women than her. just nerds hyping her up.
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I pretty much figured this out from the new trailer. The characters wear gloves that cover the index, and thumb. I think it's an id system that insures the disc will only work for them. This way they can activate and catch their own discs, but no one elses, or it will derez them. Maybe I'm reading into the trailer too much.
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TheJudger, holy fuck man - what you just wrote is 'geek genius' and 'rain man retard' rolled into one.<p> I've no idea who 'Clu' is but if your uber-elaborate theory is right... then wow man, just wow.
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I was referring to your long post btw, but your short one with talk of spotting gloves that cover the index finger and thumb that can only activate their own discs and not others in case it derezes them - that's pretty observant too.
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I don't give a cuss about Tron.. but I think it's about time for another Brewster's Millions remake.
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Brewster's Millions would have been an easy scenario. A few phone calls to Hollywood actresses. A few indecent proposals. I'd have spanked the cash faster than you could say take your ta-ta's out Salma.
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....I had a Frisbee when I was a kid, I know what it's like. ;)
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no no no no no no no no no :(
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From CLU's motivation for the sequel to ID glove, judger seems suspiciously knowledgeable.
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From CLU's motivation for the sequel to ID glove, judger seems suspiciously knowledgeable.
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1.You are not wrong about the light-suits,but they do want to give a modern look and from a technical/budget point of view,it might be difficult to put cgi suits like those in the original movie.Personally i like the new style of the suits although i prefer the original ones. <p>2.The de-aged effects on Bridges in the trailer are spectacular.there is no argue there.And we are going to get a lot of Bridges as a physical presentation in the movie,since Bridges has confirmed it in his interviews and the leaked script says so. <p>3.In the original movie the light-cycles OUTSIDE of the Grid,were behaving like the real ones.It was only inside in the grid that they were turning in angles.And since we havent seen any scenes with the cycles inside the Grid,we dont know how they are going to behave in this movie.My guess is that it will be like in the original grid,because it was this kind of driving that made them so cool. <p>Last thing: I dont want the new movie to becoem a carbon-copy of the original one.I want new ideas,new styles,new visions.From what i have seen until now,as a Tron fan i am very satisfied. <p>My only concern is if they manage to translate succesfuly our modern hi-tech/communication (from videogame consoles and ipod to facebook and blogs) culture into the Tron universe.The first movie did it fine although computers and internet were not an important part of our lives then. <p>Matrix managed to infuse its universe with a lot of things from modern pop culture,the question is can Tron do the same thing,since it is in a way,a similar movie? if not,it will become a B.O. flop.
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nowwwwwwwwww...wilde.
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This looks great.
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</i>I mean it.
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Show pictures.
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<p><i>Yipes, indeed!!</i></i> <p>No joke.
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March 16, 2010, 7:24 p.m. CST
This talkback is in italics because the HTML tag after "yes, yes
by SkeletonParty
Please fix it. It is driving me mad.
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I thought that I had pulled a Corey Haim this morning, freaky.
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The majority of you backlash against Avatar for having it's strengths in the visual department, but when a sequel to your beloved childhood gem comes out, it's unanimous praise through the roof, when this movie is prime example of VISUAL success. The double-standard is ridiculous sometimes...
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when you say that Olivia Wilde is not that hot...is that pretty much the same as coming out of the closet?<p> http://tinyurl.com/lyrqt7 <p>not that hot? sigh...
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weird
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this movie takes place inside a computer.
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It's already been stated in numerous places that this is Clu 2.0 and NOT THE SAME ONE AS BEFORE! Jeez people, get a Clu (pun intended.) Have you never copied a program before?
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I wish I was involved. What a dream job that would be.
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Dunno dude, seems a bit far fetched. It also doesnt really make sense to describe Tron programs like we would data stored on actual filesystems. I kinda doubt Tron data is stored on FAT or UFS partitions. Yeah we see from the teaser that the computer is running on Unix but im guessing that is just the front-end and not the actual hardware and software TRON use. Or maybe Flynn opens up a dos prompt and type: c:\undelete \clue\*.* /all
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italics? </I> Someone forget to close a block somewhere?
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I have heard she can act too. </EM><BR> Will this italics then ever shut off?
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Not a terrible actress, but she is not believable in any role I've seen her because of her model looks, and she carries an attitude. The idea of programs in the Tronverse having attitude seems really weird to me.
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some people never backup anything, ever. good luck with that
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http://tinyurl.com/ylxu6d4<br>She mostly looks good after a ton of work.
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Would have been great for them to include Cindy Morgan (original Lora/Yori) in the TRON Legacy movie. David Warner would have been cool too, but he expressed no interest in wanting to be in this movie. I do like the non nonsense way this article was presented. It'll be interesting to see this movie in December. There is a LOT about it.
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...And pretty MILFish, too: http://www.imdb.com/media/rm603360768/nm0604563<p> ...Not sure why she isn't in the movie itself. She did a voice in the TRON 2.0 game.
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But the ideal is still possibl tin a 1989 unix system. <P> From Wiki. <P> rm (short for remove) is one of several basic Unix command lines that is used to delete files and directories from a filesystem. It operates on files and directories. The command does not actually destroy data. Rather, the file system is told to forget where the file is located, and the actual disk location may be overwritten by a new file. There are undelete utilities that will attempt to reconstruct the index and can bring the file back if the parts were not reused.
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So many people from the old Tron have been brought back including the original creator and designer so it seems like a labour of love for a sequel to a film that bombed. People always want real sets and suits rather than CGI, its all people bang on about, now there are suites and sets and PEOPLE MOAN!!! :(
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So far i have liked everything about this movie. I just hope it's not all a build up to a disapointment.
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Was the name of the toy that set distance records that no Frisbee could match. The originals go for big bucks these days.
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March 17, 2010, 7:19 a.m. CST
NEATO. IT'S LIKE THIS TALKBACK IS ON A LIGHTCYCLE.
by BringingSexyBack
Zoom zoom.
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People are moaning because they build real sets and costumes for TRON LEGACY? Really? Who are those assclowns?
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I was moaning about sets being used. But not costumes. There were costumes in the original and the actors weren't CGI. But to have practical sets in what is supposed to be a totally artificial electronic world seems to defeat the object.
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Cameron could've easily shot Avatar ina real jungle, but does it in CGI. Tron Legacy is the pervect medium for CG environments and they go practical. Does that make any sense?
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bit was the real star of the 1st movie.
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Been totally stoked about a Tron sequel in 1989, when I was a big liberal and a huge Noam Chomsky fan. Would my opinion have been of a higher quality then?
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Were 25 years apart (1961 to 1986). Tron and Tron: Legacy are 28 years apart (1982 to 2010). So, Tron wins that competition.
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It made $33 million on a budget of $17 million, and there were TV sales and VHS sales (and Beta sales--I had one) and later DVD sales. Plus the videogame franchise. So, it wasn't a bomb. It just wasn't a hit, but has built a following over the past 28 years. <br><br>Does that following justify the money they are spending on the sequel? Probably not.
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Starring Lee Evans as Budgieman.
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Not at all. I think building sets is a clever idea. For starters, it helps the actors' performances. And since the whole movie will have post-production colour grading, you will not be able to see the difference between live sets and CGI sets. The way i see it, whatever works to make the movie better. And the building of sets is a good way to do that. I actually like that little irony of a movie that will have much of it's action set inside a computer was shot with the help of live sets.
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Yes.
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Never saw Slipstream. Any good?
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wwwhhhhooooooosssssshhhhhh
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I know what you're saying, and I agree with helping actors performances. I used to be a set builder myself. But as I say, theres something a little screwy going on when 'jungle' films are done in cG and 'computer' films are done practically. Ah well. It still looks good, I can't deny that. And slipstream wasn't awful, just weak and boring.
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Slipstream is a terrible movie but it is one of my guilty pleasure along with Condorman...
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Really? I would have thought "The Color of Money" might have trumped TRON. <p> But I suppose you could argue that was merely a 'reboot' of Newman's "Fast Eddie" character. <p> If Olivia Wilde is a Q-Tip....I wanna shove her as deep in my ear as I can. <p> Yes...I would settle for ear sex.
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...even if just at the end with Boxleitner would be great. Unlike Warner, who I would love to see anyway, her character is presumably one that would still be around.
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All well and good for Quint to post about a visit to the set, but, fuck me!, I couldn't be less interested in a TRON remake or anything from the silly TRON universe. This one looks awful, and the original was worse than awful.I had the misfortune of suffering through its shitfulness at the movies. Beyond lame. Does anyone really give a fuck, or am I totally out of touch? If I am, I'm proud to be where I am. So, is it the next SPEED RACER or what?
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Yes, you are out of touch. Why are you even posting in here if you don't care? Ah, such elitist trollism.
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Unfortunately you have an opinion that differs from 95 percent of the people that post here. 1982 was a great year for cinema and Tron's not even in my Top 10. The people that are going ape-shit about this movie was doing the same thing with Avatar. <p> A bunch of people geeked out about it and the ones that didn't were stoned. True there are people here who genuinely love this material. But there are a lot of POSERS here as well. People who "jump on the bandwagon" if you will. <p> Well, "It all comes out in the wash" <p> meaning we will see what happens come opening weekend.
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Recent interview, Bridges said he wanted a bit where Davis Warner played a butler to Flynn, kind of a 'now who's the boss?' gag. But it didn't fly with either Lisberger or Kosinski. Damn.
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I frickin' loved those things!! http://fatpenguinblog.com/bucho/frisbee-company-now-selling-coffee-makers/
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The son of Walter Nebicher and Roxanne Caldwell discovers his father's artificial intelligence crime program and brings Automan and his energy sidekick Cursor into the 21st century. <p>Naaaaaaaaaaah.</p>
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March 17, 2010, 7:54 p.m. CST
I always thought David Warner should have a cameo too
by MurderMostFowl
I wrote a treatment ( if you can call it that ) of tron 2 in the 90's that had Dillinger seeking his revenge after all these years, managing to steal the original MCP program from an earlier version he was able to rescue from backup tapes. His idea was to modify the MCP to always obey him, and contain him by not letting him interface with any other systems on a network. <BR><BR>The MCP ends up tricking him in some clever way and he works his way onto the internet. b lah blah blah... it was awful actually :) <BR><BR> But when I saw this movie coming out I at least hoped there would be something for him.
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I've got a tiny bit of hope for a cameo by Dan Shor, who played Ram in the original. Obviously, Ram died in the original, but If Flynn is supposed to be "god" in this new universe , maybe would bring him back. <BR><BR>
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We loved the original and are very happy to say, we were able to see one of the few 70mm prints on a giant screen...the best one in the state of Ohio. It was the difference in seeing a 70mm CLOSE ENCOUNTERS at the Ziegfield, or STAR WARS at Times Square Loew's Astor Plaza. Fantastic! Beautiful! Like AVATAR was a film you experience rather than just view...so were all of these in their time. There was nothing like TRON! Can't wait to see the new one!
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I knew I should have ignored it.
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there i expressed my feelings
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on the set of the film.you can read it or download the mp3 and listen to it. <p>http://tinyurl.com/ya7q2q3
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said that he also wanted Warner in teh film,in fact he had the idea to have him in the Tron cyberworld as his butler,but they eventually didnt do it.
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because as i already said,it needs to capture that kind of wide appeal that similar movies like Matrix had and became huge hits.Otherwise it will be just another revived movie with a premise and commercial potential restricted only to a small group of nostalgia fans.its a pity if thats the case.
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I saw the original Tron in the cinema in Sri Lanka. It might have been up to a decade after the cinema release in the US though. Admittedly back then, we didn't tend to get cinema releases that quickly compared to nowadays ...
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on the planet... i like how that dog walking pic is supposed to make her look bad. ha ha ha yeah right. i would do things. errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
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on the planet... i like how that dog walking pic is supposed to make her look bad. ha ha ha yeah right. i would do things. errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
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for a freebie, they sure put alot of work and detail into it. I wonder what I can use this for?????
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Are you talking about http://www.arcadeaid.com/challengingstage/quiz.htm
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if you wear it when you eventually see the movie, you'll unknowingly be scanned and "prepared" for the coming event. just think The Rapture but with the internet and movie geeks. :P
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I used a picture of myself when I was a kid in 1982, but they rejected it, and asked me to upload another one. Haven't done that yet.
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March 18, 2010, 10:39 p.m. CST
See what you did, Quint! Everything's in freaking ITALIC!!!!
by FeralAngel
Talk about slanted commentary, heheheh, get it, "slanted"? Anyway, I'm totally meh about this new Tron. Didn't like the original at all. Although I'll admit this new one will at least look good. But as a moviegoer, I gotta have more, man. MORE!!!
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It's a fact, look it up.
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There were lines in the original with the MCP saying to Sark something like, "I imagine you enjoy all the power you've been given. I wonder how you'd take to working in a pocket calculator?"<p>This in turn makes me think of Sark doing a cover of Kraftwerk's "Pocket Calculator" song. Although he wouldn't really be the operator with his pocket calculator.
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EPIC WIN!!!
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Goddamn I love them skinny girls. Hot, HOT, HAWWWWWWT!!! Fatties? Lose some weight and maybe you'll get a date (with a guy who isn't secretly gay looking for a "beard").
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Was surprised they shipped out so quickly. Pretty cool for a freebie. Hopefully it doesn't activate and transport my head into the Tron world when the movie premieres.
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Yeah, i got mine it the mail today. I didn't think they would actually send it all the way to the Netherlands. Pretty cool.
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Did they tell you? Orcus put any ol' pic on and it seems that it went through
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but i've never seen TRON. pretty much all of the great 70's and 80's genre stuff I saw as a kid were movies that were introduced to me by my Dad, and for whatever reason he knows nothing of Tron. but the coverage of this sequel has piqued my interest, so I'll probably try to rent the DVD of the original on Netflix.
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...don't bother renting it now. It's the kind of film that you had to grow up with, or you'll never appreciate it.
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March 22, 2010, 10:47 a.m. CST
Orcus... I got rejected a 2nd time before I figured it out
by MurderMostFowl
Well, I haven't received my badge yet to be certain, but I think the reason I got rejected the first ( two ) times was that I didn't make the picture square.Th only other thing I can think of is that I submitted mine via a Macintosh<BR><BR> Anyone else get rejected?
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Tron is an immersive movie. If you weren't watching it on good equipment, on a big screen, I think you're missing alot. When The Blu-ray comes out ( later this year I think it is ) watch it again. Since Tron was shot on 70mm, it's going to look amazing.
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One tiny photo could not hold all that Godliness so Orcus had to resubmit
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That is all.
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Adjust for 1982 dollars and video sales / video games. What are the numbers. Come to think of it, what is your criteria for a bomb? Again adjust for a 1982 market
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ok...so it looks good - but way to matrixy!
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It predates the Matrix by ~17 years
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lame now
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<p>Great interview. Also, "Battle Zone"?</p> <p>My Jeff Bridges man-crush only get's deeper.</p>
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No matter how shitty a film is two things guarantee a good review on this site: towing the liberal collectivist line or getting a set invite.
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since that's based on personal criteria accounting for ones tastes as opposed to making a claim not based on quantifiable data. Orcus though tron was the shit back BTW. Still enjoys it. Agree to disagree and such
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Disney has one at Epcot now. Freakin sweet.
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/jimbocop/4470441548/
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/jimbocop/4470506564/
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Boxletner is fucking Tron after all? Did they intentionally make the sets look like Matrix hedonistic Bi rave clubs or was it accidental? Why in the latest trailer do the characters in the program all appear to be real world humans in gay spandex instead of the sort of lensflarey, cg looking characters? Where are their fucking Tron helmets? Did some raging queen prevent the production team from using helmets because it hides the character's pretty pretty smooth faces? I hope this is good but all the pre-teen, Axe-Body Spray, smooth faces and Greco-phile gayness have me worried
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