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I CANNOT WAIT! The end is NEAR, BITCHES!!!
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Whilst Smokey had fun at the temple, fishing ? maybe a little drinking
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am enjoying it as well, great scenes with Jack and Locke in the alternative universe, enjoyed Ben's story as well, well written and Emerson can really act.
Emerson was in amazing form in that scene last week with Ilana, pretty emotional stuff.
On a less serious note was great seeing Tania Raymode, will mention once again that Jeff Goldblum is a lucky lucky man -
with all due respect to nathan fillion, sawyer is the best damn han solo adaption i've ever seen...
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but, technically it IS tuesday...
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can't wait.
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going a little Norman Bates on us... going to be an awesome episode...
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He's dating Malcolm's wiry, verbose girlfriend? Someone alert Amber. Oh wait, she's 21 now? But isn't he like 57? Not sure if I should vomit or be jealous. wait..*churgle* Well, I guess that answers that. If part of me is jealous, it's my stomach lining. She's adorable, but ... well.. at least he's not Larry King.
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puppet show on youtube complete with Aussie accent. And an evil Jacob puppet, occasional puffs of black smoke from behind the curtain, etc etc.
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http://tinyurl.com/yc6f6bx
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awesome
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Fuck Jeff Goldblum, man!
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fuckin list of guest stars ruins some of the surprises...they need to stop posting that shit
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man, this show kicks the shit out of LOST.
Same themes and plots, but better acted, directed, produced, and especially better written.
I'm thinking the Lost shit heads stole a lot of ideas from Carnivale. -
...to Flockes "Locke"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Carnivale (I've already seen both seasons) had a great atmosphere, intriguing mystery, a fantastic Clancy Brown, but it never ended properly! A third season never came And in no way you can compare it to LOST. Two very different pairs of shoes, my friend! I loved Carnivale - but LOST is my Number One show!
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...but that's history now, for god's sake!
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... until the series finale... and I'm beginning to get worried that answers aren't as forthcoming as they might be. Because, let's face it, there's a whole lot of loose ends out there. That said, season 6 is proving to be far more entertaining than the red herring "Dharma" focused season 5.I love LOST. Love it. I just hope these final episodes do the show justice. I'm all for intentional ambiguity, I'm less keen on burying unresolvable story lines. Fingers-crossed they know what they're doing.
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http://tinyurl.com/yfwlq4g
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start giving us more definitive answers quicker...the last season of the shield did it best...you figured vic wouldn't find out shane tried to ice him til almost the end, but they smacked you in the face with it mid-season, and god damn what a roller coaster of a final half season that was...I hope we don't get ALL our lost answers in the finale...
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i still think that whatever happens off the island the alt characters on the island will go the same route. i.e ben finding redemption last week off the island with alex affected his decision in whether to shoot the girl who chased him with a gun...obviously he didnt and the same with sayid he killed a few people off the island and he did so on the island. Maybe some of the altverse hasnt influenced the island events yet but i believe they will in due course.
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The island allows Jacob to create or manipulate fate or destiny for others. It's that simple.
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You know, I have the same concerns. There are a ton of loose ends in Lost, and while I have long ago resigned myself that some are never going to be addressed (Libby giving Desmond her boat and being in the mad house with Hurley, what is up with that?) - there are some that have to be addressed and with just 9 hours left, I don't think they will be able to do it.
Also, you got to think that at least 1 of those hours (not consecutive mind you, just total aggregate running time) will be dedicated to the Kate/Jack/Sawyer love triangle. God damn do I hate that angle. If I had my way, they would just kill Kate off this week so that the show wouldn't deal anymore with the main love story.
Lost already has some good love stories - Sun & Jin and Penny & Desmond - so this is not about "hating on love." It's about hating on a really bad subplot that's taken up more screen-time than just about anything on this show. -
is next week's Richard Alpert flashback episode. It promises to be pretty amazing.
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1. This has to do with Jacob/MiB/the island - it's purpose and reason for existence.
2. Desmond/Widmore/Hawking/The Incident/Swan Station/Time Travel/Course Correction/LAX -
LAX:
"What's going on?"
What Kate Did:
"What's going on?"
The Substitute:
"Candidates?"
Lighthouse:
"Candidates?"
Sundown:
"I'm a candidate?"
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Mar 16, 2010 3:59:56 AM CDT
Apparently we find out what The Island is next week
by kateobviouslydidntgoblack
My guess is it's, literally, a giant cock block.
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... because after 6 years of loving and having a passion for this great show, I'd hate for all the haters and non-fans to be proved right.
Truth be told, in retrospect, I could have done without all the non-revelatory (pointless?) season 4 off-island stuff and all the non-revelatory (pointless?) season 5 Dharma stuff and had 3 seasons worth of these flash-sideways because they are superb.I've enjoyed season 6 so far and I'm very much looking forward to this and every remaining episode. I'm hopeful that they will deliver and I'll be disappointed if they don't. -
has involved chars from an alt-timeline (where presumably their lives sucked ass) the whole time, and the supposed "alt-timeline" this season is what those chars are doing in what would be "our" world?
so basically a giant switcheroo...
man behind the curtain?
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A little slice of Heaven. The geek gods smiled on me last week.
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Sawyer, Kate, Jin, the rest of the temple turncoats are not claimed, right?
Turncoats don’t really matter (they will probably die anyway) Sayid is defiantly claimed aas he was dead (is dead) for 2 hours and is acting ca-ca-car-crazzzy so I guess Locke can trust him. Claire has gone nuts due to isolation and was befriended by smokey Christian/MiB/Locke so I guess Locke could trust her also (for now). But is she really claimed? We didn’t see her die and resurrect. The temple extra drones (I always hated the idea of a bunch of servile others, who NEVER question what is going on) will mindlessly follow the leader who only just killed their friends that they lived with for years if not decades. So I guess Locke can trust them too (and probably use them as cannon fodder). Sawyer signed on and isn’t crazy in the slightest. Grieving and angry certainly, but not crazy and definitely not undead. So Locke is just going to trust him on his word? I doubt it? This new episode will probably explore this. Kate is tagging along and Locke doesn’t see her as a threat. (Maybe nobody’s a treat seeing as he can just kill anyone effortlessly) Locke needed Claire for some tasks and now that he hasn’t delivered on his deal to get Aaron back, must know that Kate is going to be in her ear poisoning her against him. But maybe Claire has already served her purpose and now he going to cut her loose. Kill her if she keeps getting on his nerves whingeing about her baby. Jin? A possible candidate plus hardly a treat even to a normal man with his current injury, I suppose Locke will keep him and use him to bait Sun who is a possible candidate also. He might be tolerating Kate just to keep her around as bait for Jack. Who may be one the ‘Shepard’ candidates (the other I think is Aaron). Ji Yeon and Aaron are on that sub I’m betting! The last person Locke needs is Hurley, who is following Jack wherever he goes so that’s easy.
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If you think so, or don't know it's a Sawyer-centic episode, maybe you shouldn't be coming to a News site.And after last week, if there was no Widmore tonight you'd be kinda pissed.I won;t mention what's-her-face so that one can stay a surprise, but I just logged in to say "Hooray, more Cindy, Zack and Emma". Not like I expect them to ever have anything important to do, either with Team NonLocke or off in LA X SideFlashLand, I'm just glad to see them.As for Ford's status, I guess tonight we learn if voluntary enlistment is the same as being claimed. And possibly a glimpse at what James does in LA X Ville when he's not busy flirting in elevators.
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Not that anyone's particularly interested, but here's my Jacob/MiB theory.
To me, LOST and The Island are very reminiscent of the computer game "Myst", which also featured a mysterious island with mysteries, puzzles and an intriguing storyline. Without wishing to spoil the story of the game (for anyone who has never played it), it featured two warring brothers who had been banished by their father as a result of their greed, abuse of power and destructive actions. In Myst it was possible for the brothers (and the player) to move from the island of Myst to other islands and worlds via "linking books" that their father had created.
So with that in mind:
Jacob and MiB are brothers. While there is an on-going theme in LOST of "good" and "bad" people, the truth is that neither Jacob nor MiB are good. They are like the brothers from MYST: consumed by their own selfish agenda. They use others as pawns in their game to out-do each other to escape their exotic prison. They are both "bad" people.
Adam and Eve, the skeletons in the cave, are their parents: Gerald and Karen DeGroot.
The "good" people are the people brought to the Island who are influenced and manipulated. Jacob clearly manipulates through suggestion (speech and touch) and brings the people to the Island. His "linking book" is the Lighthouse. The MiB manipulates by infiltrating the consciousness once they are there (scanning, as it did to Eko), using memories of events from their past (the flashbacks it provokes in their subconscious) to influence their course of action on the island. He also appears as "someone you know, someone who's died" to emotionally manipulate on-island behaviour. Appearances of off-island things - Kate's horse, Sayid's cat, etc - are residual manifestations of this experience. Jacob and MiB are working against each other - Jacob brings them there to assist him, the MiB tries to turn them against Jacob to assist him instead. They both want to escape their prison and go "home".
I believe the "flash-sideways" to be both flashforwards and flashbacks. They are what happened but also what will happen. They are the consequences of the events to be seen in the series finale. They are the epilogue to the big reveal. Whatever happens in the series finale, The Island will be lost forever under the ocean. Whatever happens to them, Jacob and MiB will never again be able to manipulate people in coming to the Island. The Island will be their undersea tomb.
All those "good" people who have been brought to and manipulated on the island will have their second chance: a life not tainted by the influence and manipulation of Jacob and the MiB. And they will probably all be a lot happier in the end for it, as we're seeing in the season 6 flash-sideways.
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"Questions, questions, flooding into the minds of the concerned consumer."I think it's a good idea that a lot of people seem to be lowering their expectations over getting a definitive detailed breakdown of every single little what's a hurleybird. Fill in the broad strokes, fill in a few details and our imaginations can hold us until the Lost Compendiums and reference books come out.As long as we learn exactly how a motley duo of ancient Egyptian deities harness a magickal island's strange electro-magnetic properties to cure cancer, and what happened to Jin's first panda after it drove off in that cab and how that polar bear carcass wound up in the desert, who placed to stones on Roseeve and Adambernard in the caves and where Steve and Tracy escaped to when the Merc's attacked, then the last six years won't have been wasted.I keed, I keed. No matter what, the last six years - both the show and these talkbacks, have been pretty entertainment and the worst ending since Bobby in the shower can't change that.Besides, The Prisoner ended on psychedelics and Peaks ended with Bob possessing Cooper. Hopefully Lost's ending will be more sensible than either of those, but face it. Sometimes the biggest WTF endings are the most memorable.As long as it's not Hurley with a snow-globe. "Rosebud."
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*vincent runs out of the woods, looks at the camera and barks, winks.*
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDCHj8juJQo Be sure to remove the spaces aicn will put in that url.
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And battle the black smoke?
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When locked kicked him onto the fire. That didn't work out so well. Still, he clearly has a plan to deal with the loophole. Jacob is, after all, the reason Locke was available, why he came back to the Island, why Sayid got sent to the temple and eventually killed Dogen and interpreter, and practically goaded Ben into stabbing him.
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I cant wait to see Widmore on the island again he’s a right old bastard!!
Not getting too exited about this Sawyer episode at least not as much as I’m looking forward to Richards episode next week I’m sure it will blow us away. I just hope the show gets further away from the one group one week/the other group the next week format. It suited the show in the past but at this stage come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on…
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Vincent is Bouncer.... this will be revealed to us... in a dream... the finale of LOST will be.... Bouncer's Dream :-)
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Mrs Mangle.
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with the rail and all.
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I love the fact that whatever Alan Dale may do for the rest of his career, whatever pinnacles he may achieve, he will always be fondly remembered, and referred to, as "Jim Robinson". I'm sure he feels the same.
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It all fits. Jim Robinson and Neighbours vs Joanne Brennan and Home and Away. See, Cindy is important after all. They all go to the same school cause they're neighbours, and they have islands and side-backs cause they're home and away. This is genius. They've copied it all from Twin Peaks. The black and the white lodge are a red herring. It's all about Invitation to Love. Kate has to decide if she wants to be in Neighbours or Home and Away.
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I think it's fair to say that everyone is starting to head back towards "where it all started": the beach.
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Mar 16, 2010 6:53:22 AM CDT
Leaked spoiler footage of Vincent Killing Widmore in the side-ba
by rosasaks
http://tinyurl.com/cmtbhp Is that Kate?
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Vincent is the smoke monster and Kate was in cahoots with him as a little girl and they killed Widmore off early in the flash side-backs and sides. Awesome. I knew the side-backs reminded me of something. Australian day time soap operas!
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FFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCK!!! That shit is creepy as hell. Claire, you creepy bitch. As Miles would say, still hot though... Now she just needs to find some black dye for her hair and the transformation to goth creepy Claire will be complete!
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Like he has in EVERY other show he has been in!!
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He was behind the X-Files conspiracy and tried to stage a presidential coup on 24 and now he wants to take over the island! But he died in 1993!!! How is this possible?
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I expect a letdown, only because next weeks will be LEGENDARY!!
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Billy Kennedy travelled to Princeton to study under Dr Gregory House so he could bring Jim Robinson back from the dead. This is the Jim Robinson that came to the island on the submarine. The Jim Robinson who was behind the X-Files conspiracy was Bouncer using the Smoke Monster to impersonate Jim Robinson after he killed him! So it all makes sense. Phew. Except who was the woman who didn't call the ambulance?
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And that's what caused the incident?
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They stole those from Shutter Island, right?
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Creates one of those weird situations where people are able to watch LOST on torrents before it actually finishes airing on ABC. So anybody chatting in here will want to beware of spoilers.
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it airs on CTV at 7pm... wouldn't worry about more than usual spoilers though, all it means is that canadians get to watch it 2 hours earlier, which pretty much means the only people getting to see it early are people in ontario/quebec/maritimes, since the rest of us are at least mountain time.
and being on the west cost its awesome because i actually get to join in on the TB, since im only an hour behind.
wow that got overcomplicated, i need to go to bed.
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priceless
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What made you come up with that theory in season 2? I understand why you might think it had SOMETHING to do with destiny or fate - or chance or probability; I thought the same thing - but to attribute it to an individual we knew nothing about, that seems like quite a leap.
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pull the cactus out of your ass and lay off the dramas.
for the record i agree with dappers first post, but not the second.
HAAAAAARUMPH!
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Broadcast finishes at 8pm? People in Europe will have seen it before 10pm EST, even without live streams. They had last time.
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Lost cast loves cake: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hILqMGb2u2w&feature=player_embedded
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Don't be surprised if people are suddenly posting comments on stuff that hasn't happened yet, because they'll have got their grubby hands on a torrent that's only 42 minutes long and started watching about 9pm EST too.
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....ying and yang, good and evil references. Oh and a couple of big reveals that fail to wow because they just made them up rather than being written into the story from the start. Therss nothing clever about lost at all.
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and i'm waiting til 9 to watch it on ABC. i'm just weird and prefer to watch shows on their originating networks. lol
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That made me laugh. I don't necessarily agree with you but it made me laugh nonetheless.
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Neither has any show in the history of television. Mini-series, movies, novels, music, poetry, short-films, documentaries, limericks, fuck, even tattoos, are all planned out start to finish. Episodic television on the other hand is not, nor has it ever been, written in the way you people are suggesting.
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WTF are you talking about? One post:My overall theory I've stood by since Season 2
by Dapper Swindler Mar 16th, 2010 03:21:33 AM
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Mar 16, 2010 9:04:21 AM CDT
It might have been cool if it was laid out from the start
by thunderbolt ross
but I'll take Lost as is, warts and all. A warty bird in the hand as they say.
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It was a double first post.Priceless. Priceless.
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He's presumably going to be an agent of Eloise, right? You would think it's time for him to get back in the game.
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I think they did have everything laid out from the start. They always knew how it would start, what COULD happen in the middle, and how it would end. But most people aren't complaining about that. They're complaining that every word from six seasons wasn't written down before they started filming. Which is beyond foolish and shows their ignorance when it comes to the medium. It just gets annoying to hear the same meaningless complaint over and over.
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@theotherjosh
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I'm not refuting that JMS had the series "planned" out. I know he did. Just like Abrams, Cuse, and Lindelof, had LOST "planned" out. What I'm saying is that JMS didn't have every script written befor the series started. And I gaurentee if he had you would not have gotten some of what are probably the best moments of the show. That's what so great about epesodic TV. Because you write as you go it allows some freedom in the story telling. Now I'm not trying to start an argument over whether or not Babylon 5 is better than LOST, especially 'cause I haven't seen B5. But I will say that you cannot, get a TV series on a network without a detail map of where you intend the show to go. It's basic. Even shows like It's Always Sunny, at the start of the series are asked to come up with how the show will end. It may change over time, but again, it's the nature of the medium.
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I must have misread your earlier post, as it seemed you where saying the story arc was not planned out. I would highly recommend watching B5, it was a truly epic show.
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Now there's a show that was planned out from the start. Remember, the Cylons had a plan, so the Cylons were all planned out from the start. I can't tell you what the Cylons' plan was, but they had a plan. It said so at the start of every episode. Cause if Battlestar Galactica wasn't all planned out from the start then Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity aren't fair and balanced.
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"Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity aren't fair and balanced." If this is true, my life, and by extension everyone else's life, is meaningless.
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he started his career (well least his public one) on an Entertainment Tonight clone.
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I know. I keep hearing that. I read a lot of comics and read JMS fairly regularly. Almost always a good read. Always better than most. Still trying to catch up on Fringe. And I'm only on season 2 of Red Dwarf. Then it's on to Garth Marenghi's Dark Place. After that I think I can fit B5.
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1) Bill O'Reilly 2) Sean Hannity 3) Anne Coulter 4) Sarah Palin 5) Karl Rove 6) Dick Cheney 7) Newt Gingrich 8) Dick Morris 9) Glenn Beck 9) Frank Luntz 10) Oliver North 11)Geraldo Rivera 12) Steve Doocy 13) Brit Hume 14) Greta Van Susteran Fair and Balanced White versus Black Only six will live You Decide!
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Were they sitting around the campfire with team Jacob? Or is that mere subterfuge for us.
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...Tom Hanks' volleyball buddy.
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He started his career (well his public one at least) on He-Man and the Masters of the Universe.
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Bill O'Reilly and ALF (aka Gordon Shumway from the planet Melmac) in the same place at once? Just sayin...
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"Whoa, I sure am glad I bailed on THAT crazy chick!"
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...and his little yellow submarine. Ooooo what a menace he looked peeping out from under the sea. Mong.
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Mar 16, 2010 10:12:20 AM CDT
After 3 years in the jungle, you'd better believe she has...
by royston lodge
...Dharma tuna.
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Says the actors he's most like are Sean Connery and Sir Anthony Hopkins, and the script to Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull was printed on tin foil to stop anyone copying it. What else is written on tin foil, and who apart from Sean Connery and Sir Anthony Hopkins might we have reading it?
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First try, not funny. Second try, heeheehee!
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Sometimes you gotta pay your dues before you get the good job. That goes for just about any career, which most would know unless you are some basement-dweller or trust-fund baby.
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Save for the endlessly stupid Dana subplot. The rest was actually suspenseful and imaginitive, even you were able to tell a mile away that the escape was planned.
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of Lostboy's mention of an EMP.
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Dana/Starbuck gets shot in the face and edited out of the rest of the episodes. FUCK, what a stupid ass storyline. Who the fuck wrote that horrid ass shit?Anyway, done with that derailing. How about that show called LOST? That's some pretty good shit, right?
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Mar 16, 2010 10:37:33 AM CDT
This show is the biggest cocktease since the inception of TV.
by gqtaste
of TV. David Lych told me the other day, "goddamnit why do they (producers) keep dangling secretes over our heads?" I've already programmed myself to come to terms w/ the reality that this show simply will not come even close to answering the BIG questions and mysteries sadly. Funny thing I remember one of those producers were making fun of the Sopranos ending saying something like "we'd never end our show like that." Shit, the Sopranos had more character development and moving along their story and it's a slap to the face. Talk about pot call kettle.
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Plus Jim Cameron got severe food poisoning in Italy filming P2 and had mad fever dreams that gave him the idea for The Terminator. Nice story (not that I believe it mind)
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I get it. People oughtta be more specific when they respond. You're a stand up guy.
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The conversations earlier about Bill O'Reilly and Alan Dale clearly went over your head I see. No surprise there then.
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I take it back. he actually clearly referred to Dapper Swindler. So at least one of you is confused/confusing.
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Was it really a gay vampire? 'Cause I don't want to get my hopes up that I'm going to see a yucky gross gay get what's coming to him, only to find out it's just an actor. Gays. So gross.
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Well that's what I mean. Every detail planned out.
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Yeah, an entire season of gay gangster love in Connecticut or wherever the fuck it was ... that was some great character development. FUCK. Soprano's was some truly great television, but was also terribly uneven at times.
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Mar 16, 2010 10:45:54 AM CDT
Is Lost the biggest cocktease since the inception of TV
by thunderbolt ross
And if so, do I give a rat's ass?
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It's not that hard.
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Also covered the aftermath of Junior shooting Tony and the turmoil between the New York families, amongst other things. It wasn't all Vito The Gay Gangster by any means.
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Gotcha. I guess it's bound to happen every once and a while. I would actually challenge that claim a little. I really doubt that every great moment from the series was written down ahead of time. I'm sure he had an "idea", but now we are just getting into a semantic argument. Whether an "idea" is the same as a script or an outline is the same as a bible. My point is simply that the request of, this should have all been written 6 years ago, is silly.
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I think you may misunderstand me. I'm saying the exact same thing you are.
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Saw this on Gizmodo today. I, personally, love a good wrist watch, kind of a habit of mine, and this one really tickled my fancy. Funny thing is, even though it has absolutely nothing to do with lost, lost is absolutely the only reason why I want the watch. I just figured a few people would at the very least find this amusingly enjoyable. I think its a really cool design concept, and i want one.
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Season One - Livia Soprano Season Two - Richie Aprile Season Three Jackie Junior Season Four - Ralph Ciferetto Season Five - Tony Blundetto Season Six - Vito Spatafore Livia's arc was the best. Apart from Noah.
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To one and all. Even though, for some weird reason, even though I'm sure tonight will be great and I can't wait to find out what Sawyer has been up to/is going to be up to....I think we all just have some feeling like we are waiting for next week, right? We all just want that fucking Richard episode already. I'm trying to keep things in perspective. Tonight should be wonderful. Holloway has taken immense strides in his performance this season and last. I've loved every moment hes been on screen, so this episode should be fun. And Widdy is back, so that should at the very least make for a very enjoyable hour.
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Couldn't decide whether it was incredibly well acted or incredibly hammy.
I think Ben's "All I want is to be accepted " just seemed a little bit of a stretch given just how cold and calculated we have seen him be.
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@sleepingbear
Although a story for Babylon 5 was planned out from the start, what ended up being made bore almost no resemblence to the original arc. I'm not talking about little character changes here and there' the whole frickin thing was different. Sinclair was supposed to end the series going on a fishing trip for ****'s sake.
Beg/borrow a copy of volume 15 of the script books if you can - it's all there.
JMS made stuff up on the fly and retconned just as much as they have on Lost. What's more, he invariably dropped the ball when trying to tie into portentious events from earlier eps (e.g. Babylon 4) in a way that wouldn't have happened if indeed the series had been planned half as well as urban myth would have people believe.
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Why does AICN do that? Add in those one or two spaces that fuck up all posted links? I dont get it. Anyway, here is a tiny url if anyone is interested
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Yeah, I do that a lot. Sorry. If you like JMS's style you should check out Rising Stars. Really good for the beginning and middle. Falls apart a bit at the end, but still better than most.
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it is time for it to end. All of the wandering back and forth on the island and just running into people in the jungle is getting a bit old. I realize there isn't any other way to get the characters from point A to point B and to make what needs to happen happen in an hour, but still.
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A: Because the road crossed the chicken.
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Because Six ate Seven of Nine.
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Seriously I've never seen Babylon 5. You're thinking of someone else. Not that it really matters, I guess ...
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Right, but once we get all the answers; once they AREN'T just walking around, the show is over. If you like the show why would you just want it to end. That'd be like having sex with the best looking woman you could possibly hope to land, and saying, man I just want to cum as quick as I can so it will be over. Where's the fun in that?
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Mar 16, 2010 11:09:36 AM CDT
Who else is getting really horny for the cat fight to come?
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Claire vs. Kate.
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and it's AMAZING how much stuff is in the early episodes that makes sense now.
Examples : Claire singing "Catch a falling star..." is the song of the mobile that Ethan showed her, when he was showing the room the Others had put together for her baby.
Or when Eko and others saw what they thought were dead people (visions) you can hear the sound of the smoke monster before they appear.
In fact, with hindsight, I feel stupid for not realising that Smokey was all those dead people, and hence could have been John Locke once we saw John die.
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If not, she's free to leave. Heh heh heh...
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She has a pizza, all of DS9 on DVD, a fat sack of bud, and LOVES watching people play video games. Also, she never learned to talk.
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The Man in Black has a pickled onion bunion then cheets on too obese Patty with the Muppets From Space.
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That one got an extended chuckle.
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Anyone else here the podcast where Darlton said they would reveal where the food drop parcels came from but they wouldn't do it 'in the show itself'?
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Name the seventeenth century philosopher I'm quoting, or turn it into a joke, either way, I don't care, you're boring me.
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Methinks you arent as witty as you think you are. As long as youre amused though, more power to ya.
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He's just quoting stuff.
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All right: one year worth of chapstick. Your tab is now $2.75. It will be sent by U.S. Mail. Expect it in three weeks.
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These are the burning questions we need answers to, Darlton! How much did Libby's boat cost when it was first purchased? What would the "blue book" value have been if Desmond had sold it instead of sailign it inthe race? Who cuts Charles Widmore's hair? What do the losties use in place of shaving cream on the Island? Or do they use Dharma cream? And, if they do use Dharm cream, is it "moisturizing" or "cool sporty scented"? Rememebr that parachuted pallet of goods from an early season. Exactly HOW MANY boxes of Dharma Cheez-its were included? And how many are now left? (Hurley!) Whop would win in a face off between a mad Island polar bear and Smokie? Between a mad Island polar bear and Crazie Claire? Did Rousseau wear the same underwear for the last 16 years? Or did she take the panties from her dead colleagues? How many licks does it take for a jungle predator to get to the boney center of an Adam & Eve skeleton? What is the annual rainfall on the Island? Why do all the "Los Angeles" suburbs in the show look painfully nothing like LA? Is having a 2nd unit DP shoot some stuff around LA too difficult/expensive to work in? Please drop a hint who the manufacturer of Marvin Candle-Halliwax-Wickmund's prsothetic hand was. thank you
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Seemed odd, but whatever.
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Side conversation, not meant to derail the TB in any way. Did you see Mark Theissen on the Daily Show last week? One of the greatest interviews Stewarts done since he took on Kramer. Definitely check it out if you haven't.
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What is the air-speed velocity of an unladen Island swallow?
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I don't get the wire ahead reference. Is that 'cause I'm stupid? That tends to be why I don't get a lot of stuff. Or was that meant for rosasaks?
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Is how Rousseau would say it.
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If Jacob controls who can kill themselves or not, that means Michael was under the control of Jacob. Michael, Richard, Jack, and the other candidates are all Jacob's tools. So if that's the case, why did Christian show up on the boat and say "You can go now, Michael."? Does that mean he was a tool of Smokey/Flocke? Can Flocke keep people from killing themselves?
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And... Who owned the airplane that crashed and killed Eko's brother Lemion the Island If Vincent were hungry and went hunting for food on the Island and he encountered Claire's "squirrel baby", who would win in a face off between Vincent & Crazie Claire if they were both on all fours pulling with their mouths at opposite ends of the squirrel baby's skull? Was the cave MIB took Sawyer to naturally created, or did some unlucky bastard have to carve it themselves? We NEED answers, Darlton!
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Mar 16, 2010 11:36:55 AM CDT
god, stop pretending you don't care about the answers.
by redhorsevector
you all care, and you all now realize this show was a giant weekly cocktease with no meaning or purpose. just admit that it's terrible and walk away with your dignity.
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Please see Royston Lodge's additional question posted at 11:28am on Mar 16, 2010. WE NEED ANSWERS TO THESE BURNIGN QUESTIONS!
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even with an uneven second season marred by the glaring absence of david lynch, twin peaks still shits into lost's open mouth.
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Good point. Thanks for the heads up. This is me walking away, but I had no dignity before the show, so I won't be exiting with that. But, you're right: this show is terrible. I will now return to cutting myself in the dark and listening to old Backstreet Boys records. " 'Cause, I want it that waaaaaay."
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Could you shit into my open mouth?
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open at the mouth for Red Horse Vector to shit into.
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Seriously, dude, you're not helping. I honestly have no idea what you even meant there.
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good idea. Why don't you take your own advice and just "walk away with your dignity" from this TB?
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Whoop! WHOOP! whoopwhoopwhoopwhoop!
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Flocke? Jacob? Any guesses people?
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If RedHorseVector shit into an open mouth, would Christian Shephard then appear and tell him "you can go now"?
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Vincent?
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it'll take 5 minutes of one episode to answer the questions that seem to be driving you idiots bonkers...I can't even think of what questions need to be answered...what are they? I'd like to know what you guys need to know in order to feel satisfied
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Whether that was a canine skull is up to someone more in the know than myself, but I can say that, no, that was not Vincent.
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Was it Bouncer?
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Is that you?
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What do you mean, no spin-off? Am I the only one who wants a "Dharma Days" spin-off? I'd love to see Pierre Chang wrangling with Radzinsky and a drunken Horace Godspeed trying to keep the piece. A lot happened between 1977 and 1992. The whole first season could be able the construction of the revised Swan station. An an explanation as to why they had to enter the numbers, rather than some other numbers, or just any numbers.
Oh. And when were the members of Geronimo Jackson on the island? Because you know they were.
And why does Jacob seem so bland? All these great actors, for Jorge Garcia to Josh Holloway and Michael Emerson and, of course, Terry O'Quinn. And Jacob is played by Bland T. Boredom? Seriously?
Why do the other people on the plane seem to look different every 6 episodes or so? There are suddenly more old people, or more women. Is this some magical trickery of the Island?
Why were all the incompetent people stuck in the tail section? In the first forty days, the middle section had a whole village up, with cooking quarters and medical treatment and a golf course. The tailies were cold and shivering and starving and hiding in an abandoned Dharma station, and most of them were picked off.
Where did the others get the money to run Mittelos Bioscience? How much of it was real, or was most of that staged?
How did Widmore make his money?
Why didn't young Eloise (50s or 70s, take your pick) take her clothes off more often?
Whose idea was it for the others to use wigs and theater makeup? Ben's? What happened to the Dharma initiative generally, after the massacre? Did the Ann Arbor folks try to plan a way to get back? And how did Eloise Hawking end up in the lampost, supposed a Dharma station? Did she get a job with the Dharma initiative? Take it over after Dharma folded?
Has jack ever realized that Kate is a psycho who killed her father over abuse that may or may not have happened, and then shot a couple of guys and risked the lives of innocent civilians for a toy plane? Kate, in her own way, has always been as crazy as Claire is now.
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Have you not seen my Mysteries of Lost! posts? THESE are the answers we need, brotha! That, and what is the net present value of the Black Rock in 2010 dollars? Converted to guilders?
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I laugh my ass off whenever i see that on early morning candadian TV.
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But I find most of the questions to be entirely besides the point of the series we've been watching. It's about the survivors of 815 and their story. Who cares when Geronimo Jackson was there ("because you know they were"?). I'm just saying, I don't need a single one of those questions answered to be satisfied at all. And a spinoff is the absolute last thing I want to see. Why is Jacob "bland"? How did widmore get rich? Come on. Those are stupid questions that do not matter. My opinion
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Widmore made his first million selling photobooks of Eloise without her clothes on. It later led to a joint venture with Heffner, which helped Widdy raise enough money to help fund Mittelos. Eloise ended up in the "Lampost" station underground when she lost her looks and she was shunned. Nobody wanted to see that old thing anymore. This is why Faraday is crying later b/c the 815 crash reminded him that his mom was a whore and he's a whore's son. Pierre Chang was a cool character. i was stoked when we first see him filming in the Season 5 opener. I would like to see a sideways flash with him hosting the Fox 10 o'clock news back in LA. Or maybe doing the weather with a prosthetic pointer hand.
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I can't wait for the episode where Jacob stands behind a podium in front of reporters and using a powerpoint presentation illustrates the exact physics of how the donkey wheel works...complete with detailed schematics
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Hell I'd just be happy knowing who the fuck was trying to tranq and kidnap the O6 last year.
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either sarcasm is completely lost on your or you're the master of it
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if we don't ever find out what geronimo Jackson's first big hit was, nothing on the Island makes any sense! Personally, I think kwe'll find out that Smokie was one of the founding members of GJ, who originally wrote Smoke on the Water while on a sea voyage, but they got stuck on the Island and time shifted and Iron Butterfly got the credit instead. Smokie/MIB wants off the Isnald to avenge GJ against whoever is stil alive from Iron Butterfly.
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Is that you?
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the one that was just up with herc fussing that hbo wasn't nice to him on the phone
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detailed schematics of how the donkey wheel works...now you're talking sense! I wonder if we'll ever find out who had the expert wood-carving skills to fashion that donkey wheel out of island wood? Was wood-carver Jacob or Smokie's original trade? Hey, waitaminute- Jesus was a carpenter. IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW! Oh! Mr. Liddlehof! Mr. Cuse!
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Tis I. I was in Africa for a couple weeks. Just got caught up on the show. Can someone also tell me why Alpert seemed shocked/perplexed to find dynamite on the BR? Was he not on the thing?
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why so quiet at the moment. You better not be trying to get any work done today! (apparently, I'm not.)
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I think he was surprised it was actually still there. But, I assume that was the whole reason he went back to the BR, so it still doesn't make alot of sense. Upon reflection though, i think he went to the BR looking for something else, found the dynamite, and realized that with Jack/Hurley there, he might have a chance to off-himself. So he put off whatever he originally went there for and turned to non-suicide suicide instead.
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I think the people with the darts last year were surveilling the O6 for Mr Ben, but I don't know if that would stand up in court...
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Mar 16, 2010 12:26:34 PM CDT
I think the mystery of the dead dog is top of the to do list!
by rosasaks
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"If they knew we were here, we would already be dead." Richard is the only Hovito left in the jungle. He just wants his fertility idol back, damnit!
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we already know Michael killed Ana Lucia. oh. Wait, what?
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but got replaced by Osiris. Taweret was the fertility goddess everyone thinks was the statue, but the statue go bye bye and LOST seems fond of it's dualities. Interesting Smoke Monster, dead bodies. Jacob (who lives in a shoe) babies? So is the skull thingy a dog after all? This post brought to you by crap shaggy dog theories 101.
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Claire having a miscarriage in the side-backs.
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Last night's was the weakest I can remember
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The crew of the Black Rock may have just found him and imprisoned him.
The reason I say that... is because they referred to Richard as "Ricardus" at one point. So I wonder if he was from like... ancient roman times.
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the skull of a baby invisible dragon. When the dragon dies, it become visible.
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He tells her that she'll get her baby back in the temple. He also claims he always gives people what he says he will. We know Aaron didn't come back with the 06. Are we done with off island Aaron? Unless he's on that sub with Widmore... I don't think he can be the blonde boy in the jungle - wrong age - unless he's tall like Walt. Or unless he comes to the island in the future and time jumps, or whatever... But the simplest way for Locke to not be lying to Claire about her baby is if whatever happens to cause the side-backs happens at the temple. When he gives everyone what he promises them. By killing them all. Or whatever. Either that or he really is a big fat liar with man breasts. Maybe his man breasts are for breast feeding island babies but he can't lactate and hence the skull dog island dolls. Were the dolls in the Adam and Eve cave ever explained? How exactly did the coffin get all the way in there too?
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Wow.
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I could not get over Theissen saying he wasn't allowed to speak. Most childish guest I have had the displeasure of seeing.
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when we got the scene of Jacob and MIB on the beach at the end of Season 5? b/c I think they were the only two people on the Island at that point. Perhaps Ricardus would arrive on the ship...or, Jacob "touched" him hundreds of years before and this was his latest arrival onthe Island for another rousing round of Jacob vs MIB: Fight over Humanity And Stuff.
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The simplest, and most honest way, is for him to be talking about the 'alternate reality Claire'. You get your baby. You get your Nadia. Just not in this reality.
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Great point. I didn't bring it up after the episode, because for some reason people get real touchy about this point in particular, but...I still don't feel like that was definitive proof that Richard came to the island on the Black Rock. Your theory sounds more likely. That he was held there for a time but was brought to the island in some other way.
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NEEERRRRRDDDDSSS!!!!!
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"six ate seven of nine." Wish there was room for "eight" in there.
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Geronimo Jackson, after Michael "airbrushed" him out of the Jackson Six. Which goes to show, even though you can't use Pitchfork to unload a truck load of bowling balls, you can use Rolling Stone to unload a Dharma Van full of dead babies.
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Geronimo Jackson: Snooze.
Jacob's blandness: Agreed. Jacob presented a great opportunity to cast a cool older character actor but instead they went with bland hottie. Thats Hollywood I guess..
Tail section incompetence: They were attacked constantly by the Others and kidnapped. Kind of hard to build a golf course thru that..
Others money: Dunno, probably sold some of the Dharma stuff post purge or maybe Jacob/MIb/whoever was controlling them just concocts cash for them. That could explain our sagginge economy...
Eloise naked: Yeah..tragic.
Eloise in Lampost: Was that ever noted in canon as a Dharma station? Or is that fan conjecture? Not sure.
Jack knowing about Kates past: Guy aint exactly an angel himself.
Pierre Chang: He is resting comfortably at the bottom of a body pit.
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who ELSE is on the submarine with widmore? i doubt he's the only relevant character on that boat.
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Of corpse I've got something to stop this coffin before it gets to hearse. Shovel two of these and stop looking grave.
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"where's the money SHITHEAD?!?"
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The ones I want answers to:
1) What's the deal with Christian? Why does he appear to people who aren't Jack? Does he have some prior connection to the island/Jacob?
2) Assuming that Smokey is a prisoner, and Jacob is his jailor, who put them there? Are those people the "they" in "they're coming?"
3) Who's the blonde kid? Related to #2?
4) Who was still dropping Dharma-branded supplies, 12 years after the D.I. was wiped out? Is the D.I. still in existence somewhere? (I acknowledge, it's unlikely that there are any more Dharma-related answers coming after they closed the book on that plot last season)
5) What's up with Walt's powers?
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Richard didn't seem to think so. Does Jacob want Widmore to find the island? (per lighthouse ep?).
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They are filming the final episodes now, so if you lighted "touched" the spoilers..hehe This is a time to stay away from the spoiler websites....
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I read them, then go back to my not-quite-as-geeky friends and pretend that some of the great theories and speculations about this show were my idea. Keep it up, fellow geeks!
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My takes on your questions:
1) Christian Shepard not in suit/tennis shoes (wearing red dress shirt) was Smokey, as was Eko's brother, Yemi. No prior connection to Island.
2) Not sure who first put/brought Jacob and Smokey to the Island. Pretty sure this will be made known to us though. I think the "they" was in reference to Jacob's candidates who had been sent to 1977 and were brought back to 2007 shortly after Jacob said "They're Coming."
3) We'll know who the blonde kid was when we know who brought/put Jacob and Smokey on the Island. Methinks the Island has a will of its own apart from its "protector" and "security system."
4) If there the Dharma Initiative has died out by 2007, then that supply-drop could have been a 1970s plane that was zapped into the future when trying to enter the Island's permitter on bad bearings. It would also be cool if the D.I. was indeed still around, but that might almost be too much story!
5) Most people with powers (Miles/Hurley/Desmond) seem to have gotten them from proximity and/or interactions with the Island. If Walt never had any previous dealings with the Island perhaps he was born or raised near one of those other locations with powers (such as healing) referenced in the episode where Rose spoke to the faith healer who told her about pockets of energy hidden in various locations about the world. That's at least a Walt theory that connects the kid's psychic abilities to the world of LOST. -
I like that joke
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We're through the looking-glass here people.
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Over 100 takes, 62 of which they defined as "successful".
http://tinyurl.com/yfm8rrp
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"even though you can't use Pitchfork to unload a truck load of bowling balls, you can use Rolling Stone to unload a Dharma Van full of dead babies." Bwahahaha! Don't know. It just strikes me right!
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DESMOND. Mark my words. You won't see him yet. But he's there.
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Awesome!
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A Swedish man walks into a pharmacy and asks for a some deodorant."Ball or aerosol?" asks the pharmacist."Neither," said the Swedish man. "It's for my armpits."
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been thinking about what someone else said up there earlier today. I don't think Richard first came to the island on the Black Rock. I think Ricardus, as MIB called him, must be older than that. When he was walking with jack and Hurley he said his life had been "longer than you can imagine." That sounds alot longer than a few hundred years. Richard may have arrived in chains on the Black Rock when it came to the Island, but remember that Sayid came BACK to the island as Ilana's captive, too. It's also possible that MIB last saw Ricardus in chains inside the Black Rock. Wasn't Anthony Cooper also held in chains inside the Black Rock...before Sawyer did him in?
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I didn't attribute the fate/destiny thing to Jacob during Season 2 since he wasn't mentioned then. But the evidence from fate manipulation goes all the way back to seeing how the characters are all vaguely connected in their flashbacks, as if they are being pulled together. Then, just other little things, like Charlie finding his guitar in a tree after asking the island. Believe me now? Need more?
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it's Clementine. How else are they going to hold sway over Sawyer? Widmore will kill her, though, then James Ford will whine about him changing the rules and Ben will be like, "Toldya so." Then, Vincent trots out of the jungle, looks at the camera, and winks. POOM
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"I bought a book by a boy who claims his dog is immortal. I couldn't put it down."
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I've been saying Richard isn't from the black rock for two seasons now, and have gotten almost universal scorn for thinking such. No one ever agreed with me. Maybe one person. Now, after last week basically has as close to confirmation as weve had that he really was from the black rock ("good to see you without those chains" into Richard looking achingly at some chains on the black rock. I mean, come on people!) And now, for some reason, a whole bunch of people come out talking about how they dont think hes from the black rock? Now you think that? After they hinted for the first actual time that he was? What the fuck is this? Bizarro world? Where were you when I was posting this like a year ago?
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I still think you're wrong. Does that make you feel better?
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Here's a sneak peak of the clip. Be warned, this is a spoiler: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OainzQ0Z1-0
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I mean...it looked pretty clear cut to me. He looked at the chains and I went "Oh, yep. I was wrong" I'm fine with that. I just thought it was ironic that for the first time we have actual proof that he is from the Black Rock (it really was complete speculation until last week), and now they suddenly think he isnt. Just seems...incongruous. But that's a lost tb for you. Logic goes bye-bye.
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I gave up on Lost during Season 3, and only caught up after friends insisted it had gotten really really good, so I watched all of season 3 4 and 5 in record time, not long after season 5 ended.
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I'm actually convinced by going back through the old episodes. Like 3x06, where we see Smokey, and hear him, and then Eko's brother Yemmy appears. That sort of thing, coupled with Faux-Locke, convinces me.
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Mar 16, 2010 4:26:01 PM CDT
Richard could be older than the Black Rock but still be on it?
by rosasaks
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Mar 16, 2010 4:28:27 PM CDT
Smoke manifestations when the cabin was in use need splainin
by rosasaks
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Mar 16, 2010 4:32:55 PM CDT
I think this Columbo / 24 crossover they got going has potential
by rosasaks
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At the beginning of The Substitute (I think), we flew around the island, as the smoke monster, made all the noises, looked in a window and heard Search & Destroy playing loudly, and could see in the reflection that "we" were seeing as the smoke monster. then, we fly into the jungle, the noises stop, and a foot steps into frame in the jungle. Flocke.
I mean, I guess I don't want to entirely rule out what you are saying about "we don't even know Flocke really IS the smoke monster", but come on. At some point we have to trust that the writers arent jerking us around that much. It seems pretty concrete. And I do think that the "transformation" cgi, is either too expensive, or looks really stupid and the way they are doing it is better. I don't think its some calculated brain-fuckery to pull the rug out later. At some point you have to take the things you see and hear and trust that they are telling the truth for once. I think doing the transformation the way they are doing it simply allows them to establish a convention for the audience, where he disappears and then the smoke monster rages, and that is preferable than spending a bunch of money on a cgi transformation that they would have to continue to repeat, and probably doesnt look great. I mean, just look at the reveal of the submarine last week. It looked like fucking shit. I love lost, and it doesnt bother me in any way...its tv, it just has to look a little crappier, and for the most part, they do wonders with their chi. The Monster in particular looks excellent in HD. But every once in awhile they have some really shit cgi. -
Jack Bauer is the murder suspect and Columbo hangs out with him at work trying to catch him out. Every time Columbo goes out of the room Jack kills some more terrorists but when Columbo comes back to ask one more question he never sees what happened! But he suspects Jack of something. Then maybe the terrorists kidnap Mrs Columbo. Although it's hard to tell that she's missing...
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Desmond is coming back to the island. Either on the sub or by a alien supersuit he finds but lost hte manual to, either way Desmond PRIME will reappear.
Widmore is a dick. Whether he is a good dick or a black dick, he's a dick.
Hurley won't die.
Jack won't die (till the end at least)
Sayid will die.
Sawyer will die...saving freakin Kate once more.
Kate will never get a good episode.
Ben is the best actor on the show.
Somehow, someway, Locke PRIME will get his due.
There is no satisfactory answer for Libby.
Walt was a mistake and they can't fix it satisfactoraly (that isn't a word)
Sun is a bitch and deserves to die.
Jin will either die with her or be the one Kwon to live.
Jacob has hillbilly ears.
Richard is a cool character who will nonetheless, die.
Charlie is missed and deserves a good final scene.
Mr. Eko needs to be seen again but it won't be enough to satisfy us.
Frank and Miles both rock and both deserve to live but can both really make it? My vote is for Miles.
Miles is pimp.
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One more thing. There are a couple of loose ends I'd like to tie up. Nothing important you understand....
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I didn't not believe you, you paranoid nut
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I don't come to these TBs that often. never did before the end of Season 5, really. I never gave much thought to Richard & the Black Rock's historical connectivity until recently. After MIB said the thing sbout "good to see you out of those chains" was really the first time I thought about it succinctly. But after reading it here earlier today (maybe your post?), I guess I "agree" with you...unless you DON'T think so anymore. Richard could easily have been captive in those chains, but not on the high seas. it could have been after it was already grounded, like Anthony Cooper. I never claimed to be anything but seeing the potential merit in the thought. and, yeah, that is the fickle nature of humanity for you- just when you change your mind, everyone else agrees with your old thought.
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Yes, exactly like Ilana and Ajira. The BR was just Richard's way back to the Island at a point in time when submarines didn't exist.
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Mar 16, 2010 4:54:27 PM CDT
Locke is Smoke Monster but there is a Twist, here it is:
by stormwatcher
Remember Locke saw the Smoke Monster as a white light when everyone else saw black smoke (season 1) I think that Locke's destiny is that his consciousness is going to overpower and corrupt MIB and eventually gain control of the smoke monster and for all intents and purposes be our Locke. Maybe 80% our Locke and 20% Super Sentient Being...but still. He'll take over from the inside and the end will be him and Jack as the Ying/Yang of the Island. Remember, its all about progress....so Jack is a man of science who becomes a man of faith and Locke is a man of faith who becomes a creation of science (cuz smokey is some kinda nanobot or some shit sent back in time) okay maybe not that last bit but still, progress...blurring white and black, more like each other...more understanding....
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"the alt takes away from it because nobody really knows what the fuck it is" ... But that's been a big part of the show since day 1 - not knowing what the fuck is going on.
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Where are all the cat people this week?
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just did again in Dr. Linus. Remember just before his conversation with Ben. We hear Smokie's chirps and chitters, then seen the smoke disapear in the jungle. Ben turns around and Flocke steps out of the jungle from where the Smoke was. Yes, we don't literally see the transformation, but it's as close as the other instances (Smokie flitting around the Island, looking in the glass window, etc. then turnign into Flocke. Plus, there's Flocke's line in the Statue's foot after he goes on his rampage and kills the other guys, he says to Ben (I think), "I'm sorry you had to see me like that", or soemthing. I mean, that seems pretty convincing to me.
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i dunno
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I may not agree with all you say but that was poetic
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We've seen the island disappear and we've seen the island underwater. Occasionally I like to float the idea, what if the Black Rock is at sea when the island just appears underneath it? Unlikely, cause we may have seen the Black Rock off the coast when Jacob and the Man in Black were talking by the statue. But a missed opportunity. Are we expecting the Black Rock to be ship wrecked when it arrives, or may that happen afterwards? Another possibility would be for the Black Smoke to take the Black Rock inland to the dark territory.
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Tim Gunn is the man. America's Top Model, now THAT is for retards.
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Did we ever get close to an explanation of how Yemi and that plane got to the island in the South Pacific? Don't imagine one will be forthcoming now Eko's so irrelevant. They should have kept Yemi around for a bit. Would have made bits of season two feel less redundant. His story is similar to Christian Shepherd's in a way, so hopefully when they explain Christian it will explain Yemi. I do worry about them not satisfactorily utilizing Christian, because it seems like we're a long way into season six without much sign of him - the will and the coffin not withstanding. If Man in Black turns out to be the same entity as Christian and we could have just had Christian on the beach with Jacob in the Incident, I'll feel short changed. Christian has been there since early season one. He's a peer of Jacob and MIB, right? No actually, he should be more important than those Johnny come latelys.
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good analogy, except that LOST is written by humans who have an agenda in their storytelling. Most certainly part of that agenda is to keep their audience guessing and narrative "sleight of hand." But, some of what we're seeing has to be taken for what it is b/c it's being created specifically for purposes of telling a, or multiple stories. It's not like we're going to get to the end of the series and they're going to say, "fooled you guys. The whole things really been about kids on a playground discussing To Kill a Mockingbird and making mud cities."
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The submarine is from the flash side-backs with a side order of genocide-backs.
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How many people fit in a can?
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That's what we can call the Richard episode if it fails to quench our unquenchable thirst for answers! Hereby nominate we call the Black Rock the Black Crock of Shit until such time as it explains itself to us!
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re: Smokie and the Flocke Bandit, you make a good point. I admit that with Lost I never really count the chickens even AFTER they hatch. But, I think theys till show Smokie/Flocke this way b/c that's the way they started before we knew and it keeps continuity AND a little mystery to it. He doesn't form into a human likeness or the smokie form in front of anyone. He just don't do it. Maybe he's shy, I dunno.
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Is something different. That has to do with Red Horse Vector wiring open the jaws of a crocodile and shitting down it's neck. That might be entertaining too, but hopefully not as good as the Richard episode next week.
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if they fail to explain it's presence or importance by the end. For now, "BR" is shorter and afford less opportunity for me to mistype.
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and bugger off. Don't think we heard from him again after that.
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I think they are one and the same.
The reason being, I think that Smokey has shown that when he impersonates someone, he takes on their characteristics, maybe even memories, or the impressions picked up from the thoughts of others? So when he's appearing as Christian, he knows what Christian thought, and can react to Jack accordingly. When he appears as Yemi, he knows what happened with Eko, and so forth.
When we saw Smokey face off against Eko, we saw that Smokey had images in the cloud, from Eko's past. That does imply some sort of knowledge/telepathy thing, so I don't think it's an unreasonable jump. It also makes Smokey's current Locke persona easier to understand, as well as having Faux-Locke able to tell Ben what Locke's last thoughts were. (Clearly, Smokey was nowhere near at the time.) -
1. Claire is more interesting over the bend. 2. How about a sideways Naomi? 3. That's gotta be the worst rendition of "Bird on the Wire" that I have ever heard.
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A clue to the myster of Richard Alpert. We know he's been around a long time. "Longer than you can possibly imagine." Flocke called him Ricardus. Sounds like an old, Latin name to me. Or, maybe Flocke just has a sense of humor. I call my white friend Eddie "Eduardo" sometimes. Doesn't make him Hispanic/Spanish/MesoAmerican in anyway. In season 5 we learned that the Others/hostiles spoke Latin to one another (for like one episode, anyway). But we know that this tradition started at least in the 50's and continued up through Juliet's arrival on the Island. Sounds to me like there's a reason Latin was alive and well on the Island and Richard being called "Ricardus." Come to think of it, didn't Ilana ask Richard the "What lies in the...." question in Latin at one point?
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"ab aeterno" means "since the beginning of time" in latin.
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I dig ya. The mysteries of Lost are what got me and kept me interetsed in the show. Answers along the way are great, but too many takes away the mystery. Nothing ever really "final" in life. I like the guessing and theories. So, answering questions with more questions to keep me interested - I'm okay with it.
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Assuming Smokie and Christian are one in the same...or so some people's theory, that Christian is a "white" smokie, your theory makes some sense of Christian saying to Locke just before he turned the donkey wheel "Say hello to my sone for me."
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is the cabin something that one can use in the same way that one can use a smoke monster? So MIB was using the cabin but now he is using the smoke monster? But it is possible to get trapped using one of these things against your wishes and there are limitations? Well how many people are they who can use these technologies? Is there a prior set of "candidates"? How many were left standing? And remember, for all the dualities, Locke said there were three choices. Leave. Protect. Do nothing. I can't see this current set of candidates resolving itself into two sides. Even with Locke dead and Jack attempting to follow the path Locke led him down and which killed Locke with his faux destiny. And at the moment, Kate is all about protecting, and it's Sawyer that wants to run, as if from the scene of a crime (the death of Juliet). We've always been presented with three, a triangle. Locke was the one who believed in the black and the white. And he's dead! But it's strange that characters are adapting each other's archetypes as we near the endgame, no? Ben doesn't seem like himself either. Richard is jumpy. We aren't just seeing role reversals in the side-backs...
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i hate proofreading, but maybe I should give it another consideration
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Q. Was MiB posing as Christian Shepherd?A. Yes Q. How did Yemi's plane get to the island? A. Vile Vortex in Tunisia/Fate Anything else?
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Somebody had an insightful post last week about this, and the show's general avoidance of such scenes in general
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Why the fuck didn't they get that douchebag actor in an ironclad contract? He fucked up the greatest show of all time!!
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how did jacob travel to and from the Island? just asking since you're offering.
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Smokie doesn't need telepathy if he's used the lighthouse to gather info on these "subjects".MOTHERFUCKER. Could the flashbacks from the first three seasons could be the lives of the 815ers being viewed from the lighthouse by Jacob or Smokie?
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There's no way to know the full extent of Jacob's powers at this point.
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I know we're really past this now, but I gotta query you kids for input. When the time flashes started in Season 5, did just the live Losties flash around? Or did everyone that was alive on the Island at the moment when Donkey Wheel became unhinged flash through time? I assumed it was everyone onthe Island when Ben turned the wheel and it came off its track, but that means that all the other Others at the Temple and presumably anyone over at Hydra Island would have gone, too. Does that mean Smokie and Jacob also went on a magic time ride?
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Not going to spoil it, but it was a good episode that had a few WTF moments...
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If you mean "Bird on the Wire" as it was played in the promo I saw last week, yeah, that's the original. So many artists do it better... Willie Nelson comes to mind.
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I think it was all of the 815'ers who got unstuck in time. i.e. we see Frogurt on the beach in the different time period right before the flaming arrow attach, and later we see rose and Bernard back in 1977. But the Others don't seem to move through time - i.e. Locke just arrived in the Other's camp to assume his leadership role when the time flashing started - after the first time flash, Locke suddenly finds himself alone - the Others were left behind in 2004.
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What about the freighter friends- Faraday, Charlotte, & Miles?
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I meant to follow up that last line by asking "what about the other Others" whom presumably went to the Temple with Richard when Ben ended up back at the Dharma camp with Sawyer, Miles, etc? What about the "new" others at the Temple like Dogen and Lennon who presumably were there, we just didn't know about them. I want to believe there is a reason that either (1) they didn't all move through time or (2) they did, but didn't have any impact or run around the island like the other losties or into anyone else. But why would that be? Is this just a gaping plot hole, or am I overlooking something?
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since it's only 7:30PM, and if it airs on CTV at 7PM, you'd only be half way through.
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I'd also like to see some kind of closure on the fates of the other 30-odd 815ers who scattered in the flaming arrow attack. The net consensus seems to be that (apart from Rose and Bernard, who turned up later) they're all dead. I watched the episode again recently and it really does look like more people than that are getting out of the flaming arrow zone.
But even assuming they are indeed all dead (which I find to be a bit nasty on the writers' part), I would like some acknowledgement. It pissed me off that after all the talk about "the rest of our people," when Jack gets back to the island, he never even bothers to ask about them. -
& no spoilers either but Miles & Sawyer? I want to watch *that* show.
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You asked:
Q: When the time flashes started in Season 5, did just the live Losties flash around?
A: The people caught in the time travel shifts include all the survivors of 815 on the island and in the near ocean (Jin) that did not join the Others (Cindy and kids, except Locke), four people from a freighter, Juliet, and Vincent the dog. The rest of the Others did not flash as you can tell from the scene with Locke and Richard where to Locke they all seemed to disappear.
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Could that mark the start of her infection???
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Was there anything in the episode that brought it on?
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seems "convenient" more than anything else. I'm just gonna shut up and continue to enjoy the show, but I wanted to see if anyone else had a theory on it that I was missing.
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That's the best I can come up with. The only alternative is that the writers just hoped we wouldn't think too deeply about it.
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... or in the lighthouse? Were they potential candidates?
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which I like the idea of. Jacob finally agrees with MIB that humanity can't handle it and gives responsibility to a dog.
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So maybe it is correct that only candidates traveled through time. Though that would make Vincent a candidate.
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there's a list of all the lighthouse names and I don't remember Faraday being on it. Not sure about Lewis. But which ones were on the cave, I haven't seen a list compiled (though, I'm sure one exists out there on the Interwebs.) Straume was on the lighthouse wheel though, so maybe Faradork and Lewis were too. Then again, I don't think anyone spotted Burke on the lighthouse wheel. But, again we didn't get any kind of complete look at ALL the names on it, either.
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I seem to remember Hawking, but that doesn't nec mean it's him. Wait, is "Wallace" Vincent's maiden name! ; )
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cuz now I can't remember if there's a widmore on there. And I know there's no "Hume".
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http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Candidates
Faraday, Miles, Charlotte, and Juliet are on there. Lapidus, Widmore, and Vincent are not. Though you can't consider this a complete list. -
but no Lewis or Faraday. Or Widmore or Hawking.
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Mar 16, 2010 7:07:31 PM CDT
I just checked a list on About and couldn't find Faraday or Lewi
by finky089
hang on...(knew I shoulda gone to Lostpedia instead)
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According to Lostpedia.
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Specifically remember that one from the first viewing. Almost positive Faraday is on lostpedias list. Any one want to fill me in on why this has become important?
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I think it's because I posed a theory that being a candidate is what made you susceptible the time traveling effects on the island in S5.
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but still no widmore or hawking...or Vincent. But, then, of those three, only Vincent was presumably flashing through time.
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was due to his proximity. Like clothing, the rope to the well, and the bus.
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Especially because Darlton said that they weren't going to expressly state why Jin traveled through time and Sun didn't, but it seems fairly easy to put it together that every other person who went through time was a candidate, and everyone on Ajira who got flung through time was a candidate, and Sun didn't...so she isn't the candidate of "Kwan" I would assume. Seems like a solid theory to me. Even Linus was on the wall if I'm not mistaken.
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and let Vincent be my constant
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I love discussing this show but tend to avoid this talkback when it is full of trolls, uninformed theories, and other nonsense.
My Lost meetup has been canceled, so I'll be watching it live right here in 40 minutes. -
I have 3.5 gawddamn hours to go .... grrrrr.
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But, maybe I'm getting my LOST timelines merged. B/c Ben didn't flash through time, right?
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I think I heard somewhere that the reason some people on the flight were pulled back in time and some were not was due to them not recreating the circumstances of 815 perfectly. I think this was on a pop up. If it only has to do with candidates then at least Ben should have flashed since he is on the list.
Another way to look at it is if only the uncrossed off names traveled through time. And at the time of the wheel turn, Lewis, Faraday, etc were not yet crossed off by Jacob. Then three years later when Ajira arrived, Ben had been crossed off. -
Right? Or am I off base?
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Let's go
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I've got 17 minutes to go. Let's do this.
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Danielle's was better
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Seriously why introduce these nobodies during the last season!
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That means -- like the bear -- or something.
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I take back what I just typed above!
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how in the hell did he come to this?
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come on man. Somebody call Penn and Teller cause that was some bullshit!
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Cops?? PARTNERS??? *THAT* show. Awesome.
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Does LaFluer actually mean something to Sawyer? Or is just a name.
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Sitting around waiting for Sawyer to finish boning a chick, then they arrest her. Hee!
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such great writing (sarcasm)
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i want one!!
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He talked to spirits; he deals with the ladies. Miles & The Conman. This Fall on ABC
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Mar 16, 2010 8:09:45 PM CDT
Well at least NuLocke is more fortcoming than Jacob!
by hollywoodhellraiser
Look like he won't be BS'ing the Losties too much.
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same old tricks James
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Nice cut and color. That's why he's been out of pocket.
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LOL!!!
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James must be on board or be a pawn.
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While boating to Hydra. Or I will be upset
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...and no catfight. What a disappointment. Holding hands even...Claire is just biding her time I hope.
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these asshole writers went to the george lucas school of anti-drama.
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damn shes beautiful
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If you know who Cade Skywalker is, you know this is an awesome casting.
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just a hunch...........
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My teenage memories is making me happy!
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worthless cameo but she is f'ing hot! Too bad they wasted her for a couple of minutes.
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To women who find out about his hurt feelings.
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Never try to hide anything in the top drawer - it's the first place they look. Doesn't he have a desk or something?
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bout time!
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damn UnLocke........
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That island gets more mysterious.
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Didn't expect it, did you? Neither did I! And love Sayid reaction to it!
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Damn this shit has gotten creepy!
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Smokie?
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Why is Sayid just sitting there as Claire tries to plunge a knife into Kate's neck?
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hmmm...
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Ever since that bath he doesn't give a fuck anymore.
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Mar 16, 2010 8:36:09 PM CDT
*Newsflash* Kate would never accepted that hand..
by hollywoodhellraiser
even if it was the REAL Locke!
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hes finally on the island
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just sitting around waiting for this shit to end.
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Mar 16, 2010 8:37:31 PM CDT
AWESOME!!! Tonite episode is pack full of twists!!!
by hollywoodhellraiser
I really have no idea where this is all leading to but everything seems to point that NuLocke is a "good" guy, IMO!
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Sawyer should have just lied until he was sure about "Zoey". This is the third time in the show that someone has tried this trick. At least he picked up on it quick.
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Should be how everybody does on this show. Why is everybody so intense and secretive instead of talking.
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hahahaha
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well played, well played...
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why don't you change the channel, and take your douchedom elsewhere?
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why did he kill the 815 pilot?
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Yup - second that good sir
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Who's the angst-iest of them all? So another mirror shot (Most of the others were in Jack's Flash-Sideways) to those who are suggesting that it's a motif. That seems to be the case. Even better, Sawyer smashed it.
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Mar 16, 2010 8:42:48 PM CDT
Herc, even "good" guys can have a lapse in judgement!
by hollywoodhellraiser
And could you banned Akkosa for being a retard!Douchebag has been bitching about Lost throughout the talkback and yet his sorry ass is still watching?! Makes no sense!
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Did Widmore want Desmond to bring the 815 down with Swan Station?
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hmmm....both have screwed up mothers
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You suck and need to take a pill. That was funny
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Damn you gotta appreciate honest NuLocke! No BS, just the shit staring at you in your face!
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F yeah!
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that deep inside Sawyer's hard con man shell, lies a guy who can cry watching "Little House on the Prairie".
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no matter how you paint that picture
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Mar 16, 2010 8:48:12 PM CDT
Herc, honestly you're asking questions that I can only speculate
by hollywoodhellraiser
I liked that NuLocke expected Widmore. Makes Widmore seem... less threatening then last weeks conclusion.
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same old trick. been there, done that.
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Still can't be sure whether Widmore is in cahoots with Jacob, MiB, or himself.
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I would assume since Jacob knew Widmore was coming to the island, UnLocke would know too.
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Locke isn't Locke.
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Mar 16, 2010 8:51:01 PM CDT
so all these alternate reality stories better have a point...
by brokenheath
...could it be that it will be the real continuing lives of the characters and those on the island will sacrifice themselves so that reality will come true?
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At first I thought he was talking about Locke's mom but when he said "before I looked like this" - I guess he's referring to his own (MiB's) mom. Thoughts???
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Gah! When someone says "It's amazing how little you know..." and leaves it dangling there the response isn't "let's make a deal" it's "why don't you enlighten me." !!!
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is whom going to pull the ultimate double cross!
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Next thing you know, Sayid and the UnLockian crew will be sitting around the fire laughing. Sayid starts caughing, and it's all one big fucking game until that dark water bursts out his chest and disappears into the woods...
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I appreciate your loyalty, James!
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Mar 16, 2010 8:57:27 PM CDT
Miles with a gun is...just scary! Hard to take serious but
by hollywoodhellraiser
the actor is convincing! BTW, glad to see Crazy Claire make up with Kate for now.Won't last long because we know crazy people hav emood swings!
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Since Jim is all Cop-like now.
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Mar 16, 2010 8:59:43 PM CDT
Would love to see Kate get kill but not going to happen!
by hollywoodhellraiser
Yeah, Sawyer I got to believe NuLocke knows your thought!
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filler this late in the game
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but there's just nothing here.
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I bet that dog seen just as much stuff as Richard!
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now time to watch Justified on FX.
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some answers
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you swine!
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looked Avatar-quality almost
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...it's how consistently lukewarm the reception has been to just about every episode this season. The writers spent 5 years building to this season and it's been kinda... meh.
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Feels like fucking BSG and XFiles all over again. Tap dancing all around all the issues its brought up for the past 5 years, only to answer the ones that will fit the current corner that the writing has painted itself into. This isn't a blow your mind season, it's not burning out...it's whimpering, fading away, and the series finale is going to probably be some retarded reveal involving Afterlife , alternate dimensions, or reincarnation. I really don't see myself not being disappointed for investing my time in this show.
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Mar 16, 2010 9:04:45 PM CDT
I'm gonna go watch some porn and catch Justified on DVR!
by hollywoodhellraiser
I need my fix after Lost! Helps me to relax!
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...explanations in the series finale will be equally as lame. Hell, I can't think of a way this show can end that could possibly satisfy me. Shit.
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Agreed.
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is one of Widmore's goons?? Wonder where his hot sisters are!!!
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Decent episode. The sideways stuff was really too much this week. There are no coincidences. This is clearly something constructed. It's getting kind of freaky. Sawyer's mission played out the right way and the Claire/Kate stuff has only been put to the side for now. I think this episode showed us UnLocke's hold on his followers. It reminds me of Black & White (The game) you can slap your monkey to get him to behave or you can pet him and give positive reinforcement. To those saying UnLocke is good... well, giving someone something to hate and slapping the shit out of them never was the virtuous path. Also Re: Aaron's insane mother - Misery loves company I guess? UnLocke made her that way! Love Sawyer's plan. It's very consistent with who he has been through out the series. He's thinking the same thing a lot of the viewers are, fuck these alien/demigod/megalomaniacs and their stupid holy war. Next week should finally shed some light on the island -which I recall hearing was promised about halfway through the season.
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Why did she come back again? I honestly forget.
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I'm as lukewarm on this season as anybody, but it's tough to end a long scripted drama like this and actually satisfy everyone. I can't think of a single finale that actually was worthy of the show. BSG, X-Files, Quantum Leap, The Sopranos, even Sienfeld, so I ask you all- name a great final season and even harder name a great finale by which to measure.
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She wants to get Claire and Aaron back together again.
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I can't believe after 5 seasons of Lost being a television event week after week, after all the time I wasted on the toilet reading theories and possible explanations, this season is complete and total dog shit. Nothing has happened and the flash-sideways are contrived, boring slop. This show is going down in a flaming pile of garbage. So sad.
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I'm sure people all over are going through books on mythology, everything from Egyptian, to Christian, to Greek, to whatever else to see about 'crazy mothers' and all that. Should be interesting. Of course, when Locke gave his speech to Kate, it would have been great if Kate then said, "Okay, so what's your name, who was your mother? Would I perhaps know you from some ancient myth or whatever?"
Also, we ALMOST had a Kate death. Damn! So close!
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Six Feet Under
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Jacob, but that his methods are unnecessarily brutal, and that's why the Others kicked him off the island in favor of Ben. That's also why, even though Jacob may be good, and even though Widmore's ultimate goals may be good, he may not exactly be a good guy himself. He's probably a kind of "the ends justify the means" type guy.
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kthxbai!
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He didn't kill those Ajira passengers. The WHITE Smoke Monster did it.
Get them plylons up, brutha.
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Mar 16, 2010 9:20:01 PM CDT
Re: Name a Season and Finale that has ended on a high note
by jedimast3r
The Shield.
One of the finest dramas on TV. Ever. And a brilliant final season with the ultimate disintegration of the Strike Team and Mackey in a state of limbo. Truly amazing finale. Was gut wrenching and hardcore, and left you feeling like those events would play out the same way in real life. -
so was Angel's. and The Fugitive's. and The Prisoner's.
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didn't want to go there... but agreed on sopranos.
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Star Trek: The Next Generation
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first off, heya. 2ndly, are you saying only candidates can time travel? that makes alot of sense
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but I thought that Arrested Development had a great last season and finale
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I haven't watched the ep yet, but.. White Smoke Monster??
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The way everything came together, and you realized there really was some kind of plan for the show was pretty crazy for, you know, a wacky comedy series. I loved the show for its smart humour, but I never expected the whole story to come together and make sense like that at the end. That was awesome.
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I think Chief's been hitting the peacepipe too much and is watching LOST through a smokey haze.
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Charlotte is utterly delicious.
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Snooping on Jim on purpose? She sure as hell was lying with her explanation of what she was doing going through his things.
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was a mixed bag thanks to Charlize's 6 episode arc and a weak sauce ep or two in the back half. Or at least, it was when I was watching it week to week live as they came on TV. I have a feeling that LOST's final season is also going to live much better on DVD once the need to have these pesky questions answered and the narrative resolved is no longer an issue. It's the same idea.
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Truth be told that would have been one hell of a way to go out. Honestly, this season has so far been complete and utter bullshit! And it pisses me off that i've invested all this time into a show that isnt' going to end pretty. I'm preparing myself for the worst, justthesame, it still pisses me off to no end how shitty this season has been.
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Last season was nothing short of perfect.
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Well she worked for Widmore in the (real?)reality. So it may hold true in the flashes. But probably not since very few people have the same lives they had before.
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why do they keep eating shit when they dont like the taste????
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as that. This season is dogshit and i'm sick of hearing, "just wait till next week!" What is this Tanner Boyle from Bad News Bears?
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Search your feelings...you know it to be true.
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I said the exact same thing when I saw the season 3 finale, that if they hadn't thrown in the flash forward BS it would have been a perfect way to end the series. Season 4 started mucking things up right off the bat when they had Locke kill that hot chick with a knife. At that point it was completely out of character for him to do that, and they started writing themselves in a hole from that point forward. That's my opinion anyway, I still say that this season has the potential to right all wrongs, but they don't have many episodes left to accomplish it. Also, I rather liked the Charlize episode arc on Arrested, but season 2 was by far the best for that show. Still, I liked the way the finale tied things up.
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I'd liked someone to tell me why this season is just "meh". I've loved every single episode so far. Did you people honestly expect the show to change its ways and start reveal everything flat out? Am I the only one who thinks that to get "answers" would ruin everything that makes the show amazing? This season has been on fire since day one and you all need to stop trying to sound hip and cool and admit you love it and wouldn't change a thing.
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I hope we finally get some answers next week. My gut tells me that the promo showed about all the information we will get out of Richard's dio.." All this is not what it appears to be.." Cut to commercial, then a flash sideways, and then another thing. If they keep all the secrets to the last episode there will be no drama to the events.. we have to start seeing what the stakes are, and actually have time to care about them. I will tune in next week, same bat channel.. same bat time.. ugh -
What are you gonna do? Not watch it? After all this time? Losers.
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That's the best way I can put it. The flash-sideways, the flash-forwards, any new gimicks that seem to do little to remind me of the show I fell in love with seasons 1-2. My problem is the Dharma Initiative seemed like some eerie thing out of 12 Monkeys or The Prisoner (old tv show), but it's been revealed to be nothing of interest. When our beloved cast went and warped back there, the producers lost me, but I stuck with it. Watched episode 1, some of 2 and I'm done. No time nor interest. Enjoy it for me...
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Really, it's taking it to another level, as they say. To an extent, I get being bored at work, futzing around the internet, you're mad at your boss or some co-worker that won't give you the time of day, you see a Lost TB and cut loose with some trolling. But primetime, you've nothing to do maybe you could watch a movie or a show you like, or play videogames, or go out to eat, or even watch Lost - WITHOUT YOUR COMPUTER HANDY ... Instead you fire up the ol' laptop, put on the show you can't stand and cut loose. Fucking bizarre.
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Great finale and a great way to end the show.
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It's sad that you fell for it. I never believed for a second the DI had any real overarching significance to the show outside of being a stepping stone to other greater things. Darlton has said over and over again that it's about the characters and not the "answers". Well this whole season has been all about exploring these characters and people are upset at that? Who cares what the Island is. Who cares which ones are the bad guys and which ones are the good guys. The people on the show are still compelling and well thought out characters and that's all I've ever tuned in for.
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It seems like there has been a light/darkness theme on the show, but I'm not sure that equals a "good" and a "bad" side. It may be something more akin to good cop bad cop ... necessary roles to get a certain result. Tonight seemed to come close to confirming what I'd said before, that the monster isn't so much an adversary of Jacob's but a necessary, albeit nasty, component to the island.I think they're trying to suggest that and it may get flipped and we learn it really is good vs evil but right now I don't think it's the case.
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...as opposed to Stop Trek Voyager.
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Mar 16, 2010 10:04:09 PM CDT
I'm with GQTaste - this season has been disappointing. [not trol
by happyhamster
And it's been that way since the lackluster season opener. Seriously, that was probably the worst season opener in franchise history.
The only truly great episode was the Sayid episode (the rest range from "OK" down to "do the writers realize there's less than 20 eps left?" head scratchers).
Anyway, I'm just hoping that this doesn't end as badly as BSG. (Yes, I've given up hope on having a truly satisfying ending) -
The BSG finale was fantastic and makes perfect sense on rewatch.
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It does make sense because I proposed the idea.
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Mar 16, 2010 10:06:11 PM CDT
Why the assumption Widmore's gunning for the monster?
by thunderbolt ross
We know Widmore was in charge and wants to be again. This had put him at odds with Ben Linus, and we know he wanted Ben dead. But I don't see why he'd necessarily want to kill ol' Smokey.Conversely I see less of a reason why he'd be on Smokey's "team" ...
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So Lost is not quite The Fugitive, but considering the decade I think it's a swell show, I'm prepared to be disapointed but I can't judge the whole series by a lackluster last season. I don't remember the finale of TNG, very troubling, I'll be watching ASAP
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was the lead of the Others. Like Ben, and like John Locke. They take their orders from Richard who delivers them from Jacob. Therefore Widmore was an agent of Jacob. He will have to gun for the monster if he wants to stay. Smokey won't let him live there as long as either of them is alive. "Neither can live while the other survives."
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I don't get why this season instills a sense of dread in some people vis a vis the ending. There's really not THAT much to reveal; every episode doesn't need to be teeming with solved mysteries. There's still story to be told. They're not going to use an entire season just to address shit form other seasons; there's plenty of time for that. Christ there's still like 10 hours left. They could build and reveal a whole new mythology in addition to revealing the old one in that time.
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Really? All you ever cared about were the characters? That's all you ever cared about? You never wondered what the island was or what they were doing there? Man, even the characters want to know that it all has some purpose. I hardly think you can have a show about a mysterious island without the audience caring about the nature of that island. It sounds like you're just parroting the producers buzzwords which is no better than trolling about "filler" this and "filler" that.
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MASH ended on a high note. Sorry, that's all I got... ...I thought the island stuff on tonight's ep was pretty decent. Seeing the zoo again was cool, as was the big freaking jet out in the sand.
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Before he was about wresting control from Ben. Now he's gonna switch targets to the monster? I don't think the monster was something Jacob wanted to destroy. In fact, he offered MIB food, very cordially. Certainly the monster wanted to kill Jacob but the feeling wasn't mutual. Jacob imprisoned the monster, one way or another, for ill or good. he wanted it/him there.
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I am trying to make sense of the Alt Timeline. I keep thinking back to the conversation on the beach between Jacob and MIB. I can't really remember what was said vebatim, but I remember something about them being stuck in a loop and Jacob saying everything up till the end is progress. So, could the alternate timeline be considered the new timeline that is going towards the progressive end? Or, could the alt timeline be before the timeline we've been watching the past six years...and we are actually watching the progress presently that is leading up towards the end? I keep thinking of that record Daniel mentioned before too. Maybe the timeline, like a record, started around the edges, and it is going around and around progressing to the end (or middle of the actual record. I hope I am making some sense to someone on here...
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At first I didn't even care about the characters. It wasn't until the first season's Sayid episode where I decided the show was worthwhile and that I didn't care "what" the island was. Would I like to know? Sure. Would I be upset if I never found out? Not at all. Also when you say the show is "about a mysterious island" you prove that you've missed the point. A show about an island would be a time lapse shot of Oahu.
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Widmore and the Other leaders never had to deal with the situation of MiB out and about. He was the smoke monster, and they had their methods of dealing with it. But with the way Richard reacted to him. He'd rather die than face whatever MiB is planning. Widmore has to know that the game has changed. He can't just waltz up and claim the island now.
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He was a bad boy conman cop with an attitude and an eye for the ladies! He could talk to dead people, some of the time!! Together they fight crime and hunt for the one armed killer of his dear old dad. Coming soon on ABC!
Another Good Episode and another week with the whiny idiots who can't stop watching a show they claim to hate.
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This may be getting a little academic and I appreciate the back and forth, but how would Widmore know what's going on with the monster and the island? Just coincidence? Maybe we'll get a little backstory as to how and why he arrived when he did, but for right now it seems a little contrived. He's been trying to get there for so long to oust Linus - something I'd suspect isn't according to Jacob's SOP - but when he arrives, he's there to deal with something else entirely? I'll reserve judgment but it does make me wonder.
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the rest of the season has been hard to watch.
I've watched every episode of this show. I really hope that they didn't show us the end of the season with the alt. timeline parts of the episodes. I really hope they are from a alternative universe and not this universe... -
the rest of the season has been hard to watch.
I've watched every episode of this show. I really hope that they didn't show us the end of the season with the alt. timeline parts of the episodes. I really hope they are from a alternative universe and not this universe... -
Someone beat you to that particular punch. Research, young man
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We don't KNOW if Widmore's plan has changed. He may only be there to make sure Ben is dead...or doesn't make it off the island...or both. But remember....there's a reason WHY he doesn't want these people to fliy off this island and tell the world their crazy story...
He went WAY out of his way to sink a fake flight 815...even filling the plane with dug up corpses...all to keep ANYONE from searching any further for the Losties & survivors. He doesn't want anyone to KNOW about the island....or its whereabouts.
Why he's setting up sonic fences and not blowing the plane to smithereens is beyond me.
But, there's also this...he & UnLocke could be conning EVERYONE. Perhaps he's come to settle his beef with Linus once & for all...AND...
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I'm just saying that now that he's there and the situation has become what it is... that he's kind of caught in a situation where essentially he's going to have to fight or leave. I'm inclined to think that since he's devoted his life to getting back to the island, that he's going to fight for it. And he may find himself doing the unthinkable and joining the good guy team alongside Ben to see this through.
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Mar 16, 2010 10:26:12 PM CDT
Maybe the Others aren't direct "servants" of Jacob's
by thunderbolt ross
They do have a bit of the religious zealot in them. It's possible they don't REALLY know much about what they're supposed to do, thus all the rough stuff and perhaps misunderstanding the "monster" etc. It would be fitting, another misguided group of "believers" who insist they and only they know the will of the deity.
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it is obvious though
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meh. prefer my version ;-)
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But he and his team do seem to be there prepared to do battle (or something) with the smoke monster. I mean he wasn't surprised at all by what Sawyer told him, not that the monster was loose, nor that it was in the form of John Locke. If we take his reaction as legit he knew everything that was going down and was there to do something about it.
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because we've been with this show from the beginning and expect something more compelling. i could give a rats ass about answers if something compelling were happening. but the simple fact is that there are no stakes anymore. who is good, who is bad, why do we care about the island, why do we care about them getting off the island if they've gotten off and it sucked? i want a reason to care and be vested again. i want to love this, but I just can't... there's nothing there that's made me sit and give a hoot.
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That sounds sublime (although not all that mysterious?) but it doesn't mask the fact that you are swallowing what the producers have sold you. This show is about characters, yes, but characters whose fates are bound to a mysterious island. There is no way to resolve their conflict without resolving the question of why they are there and what the island is/what it wants with them. I'm pushing for patience but I understand why people would be frustrated with the new season. They could have easily revealed the answers by now and built the narrative around the conflict resolution but the people behind LOST know that their hook is the mystery and they are going to drag it out and tease it as long as they can get away with.
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Yeah haha you took your shot but you shoulda known someone was going to do it.
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Hmmmmm...
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Mar 16, 2010 10:33:27 PM CDT
Widmore want's to win the 'War' and get the power of the Island
by g100
If he has to kill everyone else to get it including notLocke then that's what he'll do.
I presume someone has already suggested it could be Desmond in the locked cupboard ?
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at least in the final episodes of bsg... the fate of all things was in play. the ship was breaking about, humanity was on it's final grasp of life, the fleet was being torn apart by revolution. while utterly bleak and dark... at least we knew what was at stake and why we should care.
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The most obvious path for FlashSideways Sawyer that I NEVER considered. *smacks forehead*
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Really a great little idea. He's driven by the same demons but he takes the "righteous" path ... Well he's a cop in LA but you get my meaning.
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I can't imagine, brotha.
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I'm sorry if I come off like a bitch. I'm working late and the lattes are wearing off. I really didn't mean to pick a fight. Full disclosure? I was a fan of Twin Peaks and who killed Laura Palmer became the least interesting part of that show so I don't not understand where you're coming from.
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Ana-Lucia, Juliet, Charlotte- is there any dead chick you *haven't* slept with in some reality?
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they can bitch all they want because nobody gives a shit.
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Telegraph much??? Aw it's okay, Lost
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... What's the difference? BINGO
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Maybe it's Locke's Dad, again? ;)
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Man, that family does not age well.
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How does Unlocke think that they are gonna fix the jet, get it turned around, out of sand, etc. etc...
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The Shield had an AMAZING finale season and an INCREDIBLE finale. Yes, it was much better than the ending of The Wire.
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"honey, you won't believe the dream i just had"
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But the Sawyer and Miles Buddy Cop show spinoff will be GREAT. In which Hurley lives with both of them.
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No need to apologize. I rather like it when people don't agree with me. It's infinitely more interesting than being agreed with all the time. Another thing that solidified my lack of caring as to what the island is was the fact that I foresaw the show being ultimately sci-fi when Locke and Boone found the hatch in S1. I know it wasn't nearly enough info at the time to think that but I did. And I am a nut for almost anything sci-fi. Also, one thing everybody knows is movie/tv science does not need to make sense in the same way real science does. So that kind of helped me reconcile any desires I might have had about "answers" early on. I mean when you find Locke was in a wheelchair you're reaction is "what is it about this guy that has made him whole again" and not "what about this island made this guy whole again". At least that was my reaction.
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He wants to control the Island and he wants to control Smokey. He told Locke a War was coming and if Locke wasn't on the Island, the wrong side was going to win. If he knew Locke would die and Smokey would take his form, then he is sorta Team Smokey. If he did NOT know Locke would die, then he was only manipulating Locke to follow him and see how he'd get back to the Island. REMEMBER: Bram was Team Jacob and he told Miles Widmore was the wrong side, meaning Widmore is Anti-Jacob. I think in the end, Widmore is Team Widmore and he wants the Island and he wants to control Smokey to control the Island. BINGO.
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lostroom23.blogspot.com/
That is...Pa and Rizzo's newest art is all kinds of grand.
Awesome stuff.
Oh. and Cheif. A lesser man would be doing some kind of wonderful T.O.-Ocho-Cinco-Icky Shuffle high step dance in the endzone on ya.. but as I respect ya so. That's not me. I am all about bein classy... like San Diego.
(shuffles off)
*Dance**Dance**Dance* ...*Electric Bug-a-loo*... *Dance**Dance**Dance*
(Pulling Sharpie from sock)
(Writing on the forehead of Jay)
"Empire of the Sun is better than JAWS" ...*Dance**Dance**Dance* -
I must have missed the "tell".
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Either you're telling the very sad and painful truth about growing up with your crazy mother... Or you are the greatest bullshitting con-man EVER and knew EXACTLY how to get Kate to come over to your side ("let's leave the Island together") without resorting to any promised fantasies of wish fulfillment. And I wondered how you'd do it to, considering how I couldn't see Kate wanting to see any dead people like Sayid.
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Because NotTinaFey was asking very obvious questions that would help her recon the enemy - how many guns they had, how many of them there were etc.
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I meant, that's his *side*, and he got her to come over to his side by convincing her that Claire was crazy and not fit to raise Aaron, thus Kate needs to leave to go back to her adopted son.
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Thrown back in time? With a crazy mom! AAAIIIIEEEE!!!!
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Sawyer prolly did too but played it out to hear her story. After she started questioning him about firearms and started babbling about Guam and her boyfriend I guess it was game over.
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But Sawyer didn't stop after that question, and he didn't stop after she hesitated with the answer to the plane's heading ("uhhh... Guam?"). He stopped her after she said she was going to Guam to visit her boyfriend, which made me think I missed an earlier bit of dialogue about said boyfriend that was contradictory.
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Just like he planned to have the Mercs kill everyone on LOST Island. Good guy? I doubt it.
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and he is killin...
I think CBS and NBC are a courtin him..
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He wants of the Island cause he's... "hungry now, ya know"...
"Where is Pancakes House?" -
Awesomeness. He's a stone cold killer either way, dontcha know. And when he's in LA, he eats ze lingonberry pancakes.
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Awesomeness. He's a stone cold killer either way, dontcha know. And when he's in LA, he eats ze lingonberry pancakes.
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i'm still distraught about Ronnie
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...so I won't be tainted, but I just watched and my initial opinions are:
(1) this was a great episode, by far the best of the season except maybe the premiere (and i am someone who is pretty down on this season).
(2) if this episode had cut from the actual ending to a the alternate time-line "juliet asks sawyer to get coffee and maybe says 'it worked'" scene that every moderately intelligent fan knows is coming, this may have been one of the best episodes of lost ever.
(3) the scenes in LA - especially the scene where sawyer was at charlotte's apartment and there was some weird light in the window - gave off a very "season 6 of sopranos" vibe to me (obviously, the scenes where tony is in his coma/purgatory/weird alternate version of los angeles place). for me, there is no higher praise, because i thought those episodes were probably the best thing i've ever seen on tv, although i know not many people agree with me on that.
(4) i'd pay good money for the dvd of a full season of a miles/sawyer buddy cop show.
(5) really, really digged the whole vibe of sawyer on the island when he was just like "whatever, take me to your leader, or kill me, or lock me up in a cage, at this point i really don't give a flying fuck." i have to say, his motivation is the only one i really understand. as to why kate wants to get off the island when, about a month ago, she was desperately trying to get back on, i don't know.
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Dr. Linus: "You can have mine."Arzt: "What about my needing lab equipment made since the '50s?"Dr. Linus: "Well, I know of a sunken island with lots of scientific apparatus built in the mid-'70s."Arzt: "But I want lab aprons. LOTS of aprons!"Dr. Linus: "I have a team of people who have more aprons than you can possibly imagine."
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Brushing it aside, acting like it was just all in good fun among colleagues. Gah, cop out.
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Lupidus -- a "Candidate" -- was supposed to be flying 815. Presumably NuLocke/Smokey killed the 815 pilot thinking it was one of Jacob's prospects.
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"Better Off Dead? a Lost season six fan fiction."Linus, Ben and Arzt all working at the same school? Called it, act two.James Ford plain clothes cop for the LAPD? Called it, act one.Yeah, I'm that good.
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Yeah, I fell for it. And rolled my eyes at the thought that they're still introducing new characters.Until the reveal that she was actually part of the Sub crew, then I figures, okay, then she's been on the show since the last minute of last weeks show, so she's not realy a new character.
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I heard by brother was arrested at the airport...Sorry,not my department.That actor got a paycheck and a trip to Hawaii for that cameo? Lucky...
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for taking Aaron.Yeah, I called it. That good.
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a nude scene and a softcore sex scene with Holloway, plus a trip to Hawaii? Yeah, she lucked out too."What did you see? Get out of here, get out! Get out now! Oh... and leave the sheet."
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Claire trying to kill Kate. Pssssh.
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"No."
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Kimmel & Letterman joining forces? Knew I shudda set my DVR.
BTW...Ya LOST me with your Ickey Shuffle nonsense...Did you win a bet I didn't know I had $$$ on? -
to rub it in the face of the person who argued up and down that it wouldn't happen because "Kate didn't TAKE Aaron, she SAVED him."
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Honestly. I never thought her that hot during her Island "roughing it" days.
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Evidence that Charlie will pop up again in a future episode? SUUUUUUUVEY SAYS!!!! Yes!
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what will we call them? Subbies?And apparently even they are divided into two categories ala Science Team and Merc and Freighties - Widdies Warriors and the Subbie Crew.Anyway, that was a lot of people on a sub that small. Must pack them in like sardines.
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from the airport elevator? And if he was a cop why did he help a woman in handcuffs get away? Just feeling whimsical that day?
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Not looking at all like Eric Stoltz from Mask this week.
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Mar 16, 2010 11:42:29 PM CDT
I love NonLocke telling everyone he's the smoke monster
by vikkimarsdale
and they all believe him. Well, sure, it's true... but would you believe someone who told you that?
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Because he was coming back from australia which was apparently a big enough secret he'd kick out a hot redhead and piss off his partner enough for him to transfer, then tell him later anyways...
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saying the dead body in the trunk told you it was in there does not constitute probable cause.G100: I thought your version was funny. But Hurley is the Ghost Whisperer (who sees ghosts), Miles is her friend Eli (who can only hear them). Though Allison on Medium is actually the one who hears from the recently dead and helps to solve their murders.
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that actually makes sense.
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that no one's mentioned the huge push they're giving to that other sci-fi show named after Lost's flash-forwards and starring Penny and Charlie even after they gave it a one hour recap clip show right after tonight's Lost and a two hour season premiere this week on Thursday. (What do they think it is, Fringe?) Nobody seems to be talking about Other sci-fi show that will begin airing after Lost in a week or two, either. (I did like the ad, where they change the meaning of the shows single letter title to an acronym for Versus instead of Visitor. Clever.)
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"Catch you later."
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I didn't know he COULD be killed, but evidently Widmore does and setting up those electronic gizmos around Hydra Island (electro-magnetic pulse?) is apparently the way he figures he's going to do it. Or something.
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Should have brought back Ana Lucia's mom as their Captain.The real spin-off would have to have Hurley as Huggybear.
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And of course my first thought was, "here comes Kate." I mean, if that's not a Kate entrance then what is? lol.
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has Mommy Issues?[poom]LOST
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while it was great seeing Charlotte again, they should have given that role to Ana Lucia since she had had sex with Sawyer previously.
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Yeah I figured it was ether Kate or that would be how they bring Juliet into Sawyer's flash world to have coffie with him.
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well... The 'other' Non-Sawyer...and. ok. Well. Locked up. On the boat.. ya know. symmetry.
How? Sameway he got Faraday on the Ship. Promise of personal benefit and a higher calling.
Charles Widmore promised him that he would have the opportunity to take his vengeance ..justice on 'Anthony Cooper' ("a con man has many names, friend") as time is not course true on the Island ..and he'll save some folk and eat all the black on black his belly can handle.
It is all acockbill now and time for angles and dangles.
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They say that with FF theres going to be like 3 answers for every episode through May.
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"IN A GLASS CASE OF EMOTION"!!!
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Yeah I was wondering how the hack they got all those people into that sub. Also who really killed all those Ajira people? Widmores people or MIB?
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Im curious Locke's Mom was crazy, so was MIB/Locke speaking for himself or is he starting to get confused with Locke's history now that he's stuck as Locke or was that MIB just using Lockes history as a lie?
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Mar 17, 2010 12:30:55 AM CDT
another interesting interconnection of the sideflashes
by anotherdeadkitten
Officer Ford wants to find and kill conman Anthony Cooper. Since Locke's kidney was compatible with Cooper we have to accept that Cooper really is Locke's father. And Helen mentioned "inviting your dad" top the wedding. Will Ford and Straume apprehend Cooper at the Locke wedding?
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Will whoever coined the term "Sawyer's log con" step up to accept your prize. Playing both sides off the middle - classic.
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Vikki called Sawyer as a Cop?...pfffft!
""And now by the touch of Jacob..thing's are different. It was assumed that nothing changed. Suppose it did. Yeah, but what if it did? Kate didn't become a criminal...James Ford accepted things as done is done...channeled that rage away from revenge and into something like say...hmmm...law enforcement...""
~May 15th, 2009 10:23:23 AM
Can't say I got that from a spoiler sight.. (~wink vikki wink~)
And you mocked... Strongly MOCKED! the power of the 'Bloody Finger Post', Cheif!
...ye of little faith.
At some point, you will go back to the former talk backs, read through, and think Billboe was right or I am from the 'other' side... It will allll be derivative of 'How the hell' ...You shall be really pissed at former calls, recently mentioned, come soon. Knowing your philosophical disposition.
Havin fun. you da man. *Dance* .. (where's the bar?)
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John Locke did.
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I think the concept of the white and black smoke monsters - or good and evil smoke monsters - dates back to the contrast between Locke gazing up in rapt wonder during his first meeting with the smoke monster and his screaming in horror as it tried to pull him into the ground the second time they met. I think that's probably the only basis for that theory, other than the assumption that as his nemesis, MIB has similar powers to Jacob and vice versa.
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So what's Frank gonna do, don flying goggles?
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Ummm...Please...enlighten me with yer "Way Back Post" technology!
I swear...I distinctly remember not understanding your 'bloody finger' reference at all...much less...commenting on it.
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The Power! The awesome POW-er of my superior, genetically engineered intellect. The all-knowing god like genius of the Ajira as exit strategy call... (Ajira? Khan Noonien Singh? get it? No? nothin? ok.)
lil fuckers.
Yeah, everything I have been doin is a bit .. a goof ... a gag.. ah, what the hell.
They just have no appreciation for cognitive reverie..
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on a plane.
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Or Vikki. You got "her".The use of "Sawyer is a cop" in "Better off dead" was taken from an exchange of ideas already going around in this talkback at the time it was written. All Nappy did was to take that idea and plug it into the FlashSides world as we now know it.
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I just assumed that when a person sees Smokey they see according to their heart Eko saw something terible since he was not alligned to MIB's goals. Locke saw something beautiful since he was in tune with the island and gulible. Darlton said at last Summer's Comic-Con that Jacob has never taken the form of another person. I would assume that stretche to a white smoke cloud.
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Every week the writers of Lost include a line or scene that directly addresses (or mocks) the show's internet fandom. this week, they directly address the whole Jacob/MIB as God/Devil or Good/Bad entities with Sawyer's line to Kate. "Trust me, God has nothing to do with it."
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if The Darlton says Jacob never takes the form of another person, that totally blows the idea that Christian was always Jacob, that I've been flogging here all season. Another pet theory bites the dust.
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Yeah so how does MIB expect to fly a plane if there no one who can pilot it on their side? Are they going to try and recruit Frank? Also there were three preview videos. Kate and Claire talking about the skull baby, Sawyer's bust and one of Jacob's people sitting around a fire talking about being a candidate. What happened to the Candidate one?
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that the "Jacob never takes another form" statement came well before the introduction of KidInWhite, w/ or w/o bleedin' kung fu grip. (If Lost were more successfully merchandised one might guess that introducing two versions of KIW w/ and w/o RedHands was so they could sell variant versions of the action figures.)
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Yeah, cause that means you're somebody.
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Just a ridiculous theory by people who can't follow the show.
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Yeah I was wondering how the heck he got First.
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Just another ridiculous theory!!
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""Wow, MacFaux...Not sure that's LOST explained...
by Cheif Brody Jun 3rd, 2009 03:06:46 AM
"But it certainly was LIKE an episode of LOST...More questions than answers....and all I'm left with is a crumpled piece of paper with blood smeared all over it. (I chose the needle method).
But interesting points you make, I assure you. Tomorrow I'm going to Barnes & Knoble and buying a MacFaux to English dictionary...and I will revisit your post and unlock its many secrets.
But, alas...my alarm clock looms. Desmond married to Libby? (shakes head and nods off).""
http://tinyurl.com/AbAeterno
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Said about this:
Ms. Widmore, I think I found it. LOST explained.
by MacFaux Jun 3rd, 2009 02:21:14 AM
""Let me ask you. In your opinion...Is this world more good or more bad? Which holds sway? If you had to put it all on a scale...would the scale tip dark or light, good or bad, positive or negative? Ok, take that opinion and feature, if at the end of life, said energy is released and pocketed, which pocket of energy would be more powerful? Who has scoreboard? Have you ever looked at Yung23's 3d rendering of the Island and thought..hmmpf..that kinda looks like the skeletal, vertebral remains of two great beasts laid low and down..well look at it...and then...
Do you remember that Daniel Faraday told Dr. Chang that one massive pocket of energy was 30,000 times more powerful than the 'other'..well F as in fuck me is the magnitude of the gravitational force, and the SUN's attraction is only about 30 times more powerful than the EARTH's..How about that?
Look. Here is what you do. Follow my instructions. Nothing more. Nothing Less. On my command. Execute.
01) Get ONE sheet of 8x11 paper oriented as indicated North to South.
02) Get a marking instrument, a pen, pencil, crayon, burnt stick, a needle to prick your finger.
03) Take your marking instrument, strike down in the sheet, as best you can, in the middle.
04) Filling as much of the sheet, as best you can, draw an Eight. An 8.
05) Take your marking instrument, in the center, where the eight intersects, draw a small circle.
06) In the center of the top half of the eight, draw a NEGATIVE sign.
07) In the center of the bottom half of the eight, draw a POSITIVE sign.
08) Rotate sheet of 8x11 paper to PORT (left) 90 degrees oriented West to East
09) Fold sheet of paper in half.
10) Unfold sheet of paper
Execute.
See before you the 2 dimensional representation of the LOST game-board/universe and the location of the Island. Two sides. One side light. One side dark.
This show is going to be about a binary state of affairs. The Island lies between the waking and the dream. Two of a kind. One Jack making bad/ dark/wrong/ negative karma decisions in his life and One Jack making good/ light/ right/ positive karma decisions in his life and the same for all we have seen. Not time travel so much. Not Multi-verses. Mirror Darkly. Good Twin and Bad Twin. One reality over-watched by dark shirt and determinism and one reality over-watched by white shirt and free will or vice versa with the stakes and outcome indeterminate. Dharma and the Others. Native preservationists and Interloping archaeologists.
See Exercise Above.
Random rabbit droppings:
*Do you remember that Desmond said about the hatch, "..Tell him it would take an Atom-Bomb.."
*The Elizabeth was always Desmond DAVID Hume's boat..in an 'other' life...He was married to Libby who was known there as Elizabeth who was married to David..who was skipper of the boat. Go back and watch her performance. The Direction was...knowing.
*At the end of 2.24 'Live Together, Die Alone', the Coda, all I have ore glanced, including meself, have featured that the Ms. Penny tracking station was at one pole or the other. Maybe, just maybe not. Past, present, proscribed perfect alliteral...what if that be the whole World that is...There. On that side. Frosty. Snow covered and white and grim.
*Do you remember that Jin asked Eko if he was married..his answer was..he "Was".
*Hurley does not talk to dead people...Hurley talks to Live people on the other side of the Door. Hurley told 'Dave' (the assumed husband of Libby) "Doc says....your NEGATIVE"..hmmm.
*Do you remember that Locke asked Richard.."How do I get off this Island?" ...Richard said, "That is very privileged information"...The Door. The Dharma Station at the fake 'Others' camp..The Door..The two metal doors that open to a small alcove of hewed rock..that appears to go no where. It does go somewhere..to which ever verse the island currently occupies. And thus..be informed about the Show Whoosh! and the POOM! A Door opens and a Door shuts...Those whispers you hear? Yeah, that would be the folk on the other side....of the door...afore they come through.
*The island is constantly moving ( we saw that in the 'Lightpost' ) but not just in time but in space..from the Dark reality to the Light reality..Moving in time would not make the island go 'Bloop', as Hurley said..It must move in space too. It can be moved by intent, but it orbits in out of each separate reality. "The Light...The Light doesn't quite scatter right here does it...." This theory also explains why the launch of the payload in 4.03 took an extra 31 minutes...and change.
*Time travelin bunnies..nope. ..misdirection..misunderstandi ng...Boone could go back in time and hump himself and nothing would be worse for wear. Negative state Boone touches Positive state Boone and Boom. Have you ever crossed up your battery terminals when hotwiring you..., I mean when jump starting your shipmate's car...Ouch......
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Still doesn't make any sense...but I feel ya.
One part "Have you ever crossed up your battery terminals when hotwiring you..., I mean when jump starting your shipmate's car...Ouch." did strike a cord...
One time...I was workin on my car...and I touched my metal watch to the positive battery terminal. Quite a jolt! Fused the watch clasp together and gave me a nice 2nd degree burn scar.
I'll never put on a watch again.
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On this island in THE LAST SEASON with so many loose ends to deal with kinda frustrates me. Had to say that; forgot to address it earlier.
I was pleased to see Chuck Wid roll up sub-fancy but I would rather waste time catching up with his part of the story rather than see more impossible coinkydinks in LA-2. As much as I love Sawyer and the immense effort to make him all good-guy, I think Darlton are dipping into the dangerous inks of changing core characters. I really think that would compromise what needs to be done on this show in 9 episodes. -
First. great Art. Pennnnnny! yes, sir!
Second. To beat the horse again.. more time travel.
~May 25th, 2009 02:12:05 PM
"""That is 40-45 minutes in the regular broadcast (w/ commercials) from the first shot of the Epi. So more specific is to watch from this scene / part of the Epi 5.9:
"At the Processing Center, Jack is being inducted by Pierre Chang. After asking him a few questions he gives Jack his new assignment, as a workman performing janitorial duties. Kate is questioned by Phil, who becomes suspicious when her name does not appear on the recruits list. Before he grows any more suspicious, Juliet appears with a new list which she claims to have gotten from Amy and which contains Kate’s information...
"High, Kate, welcome to the island..."
Meanwhile, at the Flame, Sawyer arrives"....STOP> STOP> STOP>
This is what I ref'd. As Sawyer pulls around in front of the FLAME station. You will notice white smoke wafting out of a vent. And that is just ya know smoke..BUT...LOOK to the upper right of the screen focusing on the cliffs. Do you see it? Thought it was cloud or light reflecting of the Jeep windshield at first...but once you watch it a couple of times, you'll see that the object contours and rolls downwards..there is movement at the edges. And the bloop! Gone.
Ah, what the hell...I am starting to feel like Jonesy in Hunt for Red October..was it two whales humpin, magma displacement, or a brand new class of Typhoon boom boat I heard. Ah, hell, bigfoot's hazy image.. I say I see the White Smoke Monster! The Wonster! Where are the screencappin kids when you need them."""
I am very proud of this ridiculous theory, Pa, as it was the first, and alas, last time I was given a Royston Lodge No-Prize... *sniff*
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so he would have access to the information gathering sources that would help him find "Sawyer". How hard is that to figure out? Makes a hell of alot more sense than becoming a conman, when you think about it.
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http://lostroom23.blogspot.com/
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Sawyer gets more ass than a Truck Stop Toilet Seat. ;^)
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SHEEESH...u cant Leave a child alone in the jungle. why would ANY of the characters on this show LEAVE a fucking baby alone after Claire abandons it??? to recap- Claire talks like Kate FORCIBLY KIDNAPPED Arron from her. that simply did not happen Vikki. i totally believed that Claire was going to try and kill Kate-- god i wish she did! now Vikki's gonna argue the "technicality" of the word TOOK'S DEFINITION lol...good lord, what dont u understand?????
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... the window of the hallway in Charlotte's apartment building? That was some wierd shit.
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...you may be onto something. Or not. Interesting ideas though for sure. Especially, Libby being more important than we think. That could finally explain why she was in the mental institute, bitch is aware of alternate dimensions and shit. Question! (and opinion) Desmond on Filght 815: The way it seemed to me was that he knew wtf was going on. The way he talked to Jack "Nice to meet you, or see you again." He was fucking with him kinda, and he seemed to completely disappear. Sure Rose was asleep and said as much, but he seemed to sorta pop in and pop out. I think that he has honed whatever special ability he has (capable of time-traveling) and is now able to travel between dimensions. He is up to something, and I believe/slash hope that he is the key to bringing it all together. I always think of Faraday telling Des "You are uniquely special" or whatever. What do you think?
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Let your mind wander.. look beyond the shadows,
focus on the skyline, read the silhouettes.
Your deepest desires are a picture of tomorrow.
All your darkest fears are just a vestige of regret.
And it's wo-oh oh oh.....
it seems like such a long way to go.
As obstacles get bigger, prevailing winds blow stronger..
and the fire continues to grow.
Don't let shallow water.. limit your perception,
Heed the new horizon, muster to it fast.
The moments of your yesterdays are in the wake behind you.
You can't assess the future if you're living in the past.
And it's wo-oh oh oh.....
It seems like such a long way to go.
As obstacles get bigger, prevailing winds blow stronger...
and the fire continues to grow.
The fire continues to grow.
Keep it stoked!
If you are committed.. to a life of understanding,
then there's no agenda, for vengeance in your life.
Sharpen all your senses and face the opposition.
You can overcome with fortitude and mental might.
And it's wo-oh oh oh.....
It seems like such a long way to go.
As obstacles get bigger, prevailing winds blow stronger....
and the fire continues to grow.
The fire continues to grow....
The fire continues to grow........
The fire continues to grow...............
In your soul.
So be bold.
Let it grow.
Don't let it die.
Let it burn! -
She had to have been on the island when it was bouncing through time
That killed teef and fivehead
It should have killed Clair also
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...don't wear white.
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why doesn't Locke just turn into Smokey and wipe out Widmore's army?...guns can't hurt him as evidenced by Illana and her crew
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hmmmpf.
"sed Lia lippis erat oculis Rahel decora facie et venusto aspectu"
"videns autem Dominus quod despiceret Liam aperuit vulvam eius sorore sterili permanente"
"quarto concepit et peperit filium et ait modo confitebor Domino et ob hoc vocavit eum Iudam cessavitque parere"
You young lads know who Orson Scott Card is? ...da ya know who Lew Wallace is? ....da ya know about the Battle of Shiloh? Keep reading... Keeep watching... all I can say, some. will be not ashamed. know.
"Even then. And I felt His voice take the sword out of my hand."
seems relevant.
ועיני לאה רכות -
The island history episode we'll get the crazy mother and she'll have two sons and it will feint backwards and forwards which son is Jacob and which son is MIB thus twisting our hopes and fears which side our favourites have chosen and what the consequences will be...
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...a word? Or rather, THE word. Except we were told this week God's got nothing to do with it, so I guess not.
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I liked the way Kate was seeking sanctuary in those trees the way she used to hide in the jungle. But this time the Monster walks right in and talks to her. It does seem set up for Kate to make a choice about Aaron's future and to do this she will also have to choose between the sides Jack and Sawyer have taken. It's kill or be killed.
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Three sides to a triangle, not two. Crazy theory. Kate is MIB's mother. MIB is Aaron. Nah.
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Again, it's interesting that once he appeared as if in a vision and Richard could not see him. He had blood on his arms and was standing still. The Monster seemed thrown by this. The second time Sawyer can see the child. He does not have blood on his arms. He appears to be a real child, running in the jungle. The Monster tries to catch him but can't and gets reprimanded about the rules. Are these two different versions of what may be? A bloody ghost and a real kid? The outcome of a crazy mother, or a sane mother? Claire or Kate in one reality. Or that reality or the side-backs in another? What if the black shirt and the blonde hair are red herrings? Could the kid be the younger version of an earlier form of MIB, appearing to himself at this crucial time of decisions being taken? Then also David, who exists in one world but not the other. The two grand children of Christian. One light, one dark. But which is which?
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That skull doll is foreshadowing Aaron not being born in the side-backs. Will Kate choose to save Aaron from his crazy mother? Allow the side-backs to stand, or not?
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I feature Desmond was real there and then.. on both sides. He is, after all, the Constant. So, I disagree that Desmond was fuckin with him; Jack.
In both instances of Desmond ..hmm.. colliding with Jack, it seemed, to me, more inquisitive.. interrogatory.. than well..
We are bout gettin spoiler-ery, yeah?
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What do you feature for the angle of the dangle?
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Both Damon and Carlton (who gave Shawn Ryan his first writing gig) have professed their love for The Shield's finale, so at least they recognize what a good one resembles. The hope is that they produce one for their own little show.And Charlotte cleans up nicely, doesn't she?
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We get a big, mono-browed, lip lickin, milk drinkin babe climbin up and out the hatch of WidSUB..
To wreak havoc...
with her brothers...
upon EVERYONE! with steak knives. and beach towels. And Milk. And all that to a soundtrack of The Cure's "Show Me"
Too much to hope for? ah, hell.
episode 6.17... "Sweet Dee and Charlie emerge from the jungle..confront Non-John.."
no. brrr, no. maybe? no.
I'm goin to the pub. Later beeeetches! -
Personally, I loved the episode.
I think Claire and Kate is not over. Claire is too mentally unstable, IMO, to just forgive Kate.
I didn't actually twig that Zoe was with Widmores team until I saw the sub. (Yeah, how dumb am I?) Because I sorta bought what Faux-Locke was telling Sawyer. That there were people on the Ajira flight who wanted to do him harm. (Jacob's disciples).
Loved the Miles/Ford cop show drama. I was utterly taken in by the "You weren't exactly supposed to see that." bit. In fact when she pulled a gun, I wondered if that was why he didn't pull that con any more. Everyone seems familiar with it.
It might have been just my imagination, but when he was speaking to his suspect on the phone, I could have sworn they were using the actor who played Locke's father.
Charlotte was hot as hell.
Have to wonder if Miles can still talk to dead people in the alternate timeline.
Confirmation from Faux-Locke "I am that black smoke thing".
I think Faux-Locke knows that Sawyer is planning something. When he says "thanks for your loyalty" I think he means "thanks for being so predictable"
Behind the door of the sub? I think is another great big bomb, like Jughead.
As soon as someone got out of the car and ran, I knew it was Kate.
I'm in the middle of watching the Season 3 episodes again at the moment, so the Little House and the dress were nice timely call-backs.
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the mystery of whether Charlotte was hot or not. Answer ? Freaking SMOKING hot ... with makeup. She's the 30 year old Nicole Kidman of the island.
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and my steak knife ready...I forgot to mention one thing--Kate's reaction to Smocke after Claire's attempt at an unplanned tracheotomy was one of those rare times when one of the characters reacted like you'd expect someone to react.
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I liked this episode. I though the island stuff was interesting, there was good interaction between the characters (not just trudging through the jungle AGAIN), and some cool machinations going on. Now things are getting interesting.
Not trolling, just asking a question:
Like someone said, weird that after 5 years of character development they would create this timeline that has nothing to do with the character histories we know. (I know it's slightly related, but these sideways people are not the same characters we know, not really.) And yes, it would be cool if the flash-sideways really does turn out to be important in the end. But, can you have flashbacks (seasons 1 & 2), tell us how important they are, then have flash-sideways at the end of the show (with totally different stories and character development? If the flash-sideways turns out to be the important story shiznit, does that make the original flashbacks even more filler-like?
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I guess Sawyer's chalked up enough Miles huh!
man he is so predictable - which I guess makes him a well-written character, no? Not sure what the point of Charlotte was here, beyond "oh look there's another ALT-character" - but then, maybe that's all it was..
still not convinced by the AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!! - they sure weren't kidding when they said "slow burn"
I am now conpletely and utterly convinced MIB is full of shit - he is pretty much just telling people what they want to hear - the "I had a crazy momma" but was the icing on the cake for me: lingering doubts = GONE
so next week brings a ton of answers huh? BRING IT!
some day this war's gonna end -
Mar 17, 2010 7:30:37 AM CDT
Guys, you can't stop with the David/Aaron is Jacob/MIB nonsense
by vesuvio
There's a particular episode down the line that will throw all those theories out the window.
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I'm not buying the good vs evil angle at the moment BUT ... Could the monster's stories told to Sayid and Kate BS made to order for manipulation?
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I am trying to make sense of the Alt Timeline. I keep thinking back to the conversation on the beach between Jacob and MIB. I can't really remember what was said verbatim, but I remember something about them being stuck in a loop and Jacob saying everything up till the end is progress. So, could the alternate timeline be considered the new timeline that is going towards the progressive end? Or, could the alt timeline be before the timeline we've been watching the past six years...and we are actually watching the progress presently that is leading up towards the end? I keep thinking of that record Daniel mentioned before too. Maybe the timeline, like a record, started around the edges, and it is going around and around progressing to the end (or middle of the actual record.) Also, it makes sense of the see you in anotha life brotha quote. I hope I am making some sense to someone on here...Re-INCARNATION, DESTINY FATE type stuff
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The candidate who becomes protector or overseer of the island - who takes Jacob's position - is required to chose a kind of guard dog - MIB's position - from the remaining candidates. Nobody's gonna want this job, hence MIB's anger and resentment toward Jacob. So let's say Jack gets the Jacob job and he's forced to choose who's really best-suited to be security, and who he's willing to damn to a long-ass stint stuck on the island. The obvious guess wold be Sawyer, I think.
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The Flash sideways must be anotha life, brotha. It's been happening over, and over, and over again. It's in a loop. MIB found a loophole.
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i remember reading a while back that a reacurring character was getting replaced with a new actor this season. does anyone know who it is and if its anyone important? because so far all the old faces have been the originals.
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That's pretty much my guess. Either the alt timeline is the result of progress being fulfilled or it's another iteration of the same story being played out. Though the island IS underwater in the alt so I don't know how that would play out.
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... which I'm down with - how to explain the island being on the ocean floor? How could everything happen again without the island?
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From LostRoom23:
Doc Jensen: 'Lost' recap: Lessons Learned
Episode 6 of season 6 was chock full of answers as we got a Ben-centric episode. Doc Jensen sifts through it to find new Island-Sideways parallels
By Jeff Jensen Mar 10, 2010
Even as a mild-mannered teacher, Ben had the urge to be the one in control. And Arzt was ready to help him... for a price
There was a moment back in the most polarizing episode of Lost's most turbulent season when the Island's god of lies told the truth about the way he works. No, I'm not talking about His Royal Smokeyness, FrankenLockenstein, although the confession sure fits him, too. I speak of Benjamin Linus, the Little Napoleon of the Others — or, in the spirit of last night's very special back-to-school edition of Lost, the devious Tracy Flick of Craphole Island High 90666. The episode was ''Expose,'' a.k.a .the Nikki and Paulo vs. the Spiders episode, and the moment of truth came when Juliet asked Ben how he intended to get Jack to operate on his tumor-choked spine. ''Same way I get anybody to do anything. I find out what he's emotionally invested in and I exploit it,'' Ben said, sounding sadly resigned about his own nefarious nature, as if his conniving character was innate and immutable, or at least fixed and unchangeable. In the divine election of all possible worlds (''divine election'' being a fancy theological term of predestination), Ben Linus is forever doomed to manifest as some Machiavellian devil, some power-grabbing Brutus, some Jesus-betraying Judas, no matter the reality, no matter the world. Right?
Wrong. In ''Dr. Linus,'' Ben Linus was exposed as a soul who only has himself to blame for his woe-is-me bad self, whose corrupt nature is an accumulation of freely made choices. Which also means that Ben is also fully capable of resisting evil and selecting virtue, as well. His Sideways story was the proof. We were presented with a new version of Ben that was a truly decent man — a smart, idealistic teacher who cared for his students; a devoted son who cared for his ailing father, Roger Linus — but also one who yearned for a grander station in life. Dude had a doctorate! He was owed! On Planet Sideways, Doc Linus was presented with the opportunity to tricky-Dick his way to higher office, albeit at the expense of sweet, innocent Sideways Alex. But in his defining moment, Ben's conscience got the best of him, and he was a better man for it. Sorry, Arzt: those new lab aprons will have to wait.
On the Island, Ben the Dethroned seemed set to pay for his sins and abuses of power after Ilana smoked out his Jacob-stabbing secret and sentenced him to death for killing her beloved godfather. Then the Man In Black showed up and made him an offer he seemingly couldn't refuse: restored Island rule in the future in exchange for his loyal service in the present as part of his Hydra Family gang. Ben made a choice. He bolted. Ilana chased. Ben got himself a gun and was about to put a Bada-Bing in Jacob's girl the way he blew away Caesar the Whodat? last season. But then Ben made another choice: He bared his soul. He told the truth about killing Jacob, shared his rage over feeling betrayed by his Island god and his shame for choosing Island power over his daughter, and then offered this heartbreaking explanation for why he was joining Mr. Evil Incarnate (Allegedly): ''Because he's the only one that will have me!'' Then Ilana did something that left Ben gobsmacked: She forgave him. ''I'll have you,'' she said, and walked away. Ben shuffled after her, as if sucked in by the undertow of her grace. He came to the outskirts of the Beach camp, then stopped and considered his options. Stay and serve in this humble little patch of heaven, or join Devil Locke and coldly play for a shot at living the ''Vida La Vida'' once again. You always have a choice. This time, Ben made the right one — fulfilling, perhaps, Jacob's dying thought hope that Ben had the capacity for change. Has Ben the flip-flop artist truly embraced redemption? If so, would his redemption have been possible without Jacob's death? If so, did Jacob know that when he offered his chest for Ben to puncture? And so we debate like theologians.
This was a good episode. For fans starved for ''answers'' the way Hurley craved for cheese curds last night, ''Dr. Linus'' offered a plate of appetizers — salty-yummy scooplets of Richard Alpert, Black Rock, Jacob, Charles Widmore — in advance of more substantial courses that now appear imminent. Meanwhile, the Sideways story was played like a rich, full metaphor for Ben's Island arc and a kind of veiled, Roman-à-clef theory for almost all of Lost. On the whole, I was intellectually stimulated by yet another complex sketch of nature/nurture psychology and redemption dynamics, and I must admit my geeky heart was microwaved to soggy mush by the (partial) castaway reunion at the beach (The Beach! At last, the Beach!), complete with slo-mo montage and Michael Giacchino strings, to boot.
Not everything worked for me, though. I hate to begrudge genuine humor in Lost, but I felt Ben's Sideways story could have been a smidge better if played a little more straight. (Put another way: I am not exactly the most ardent patron of the Arzt.) A great scene for Richard Alpert in the Black Rock was overshadowed — literally — by a distracting lighting choice, a self-conscious use of chiaroscuro that may have been a go-for-Baroque attempt at communing with Caravaggio's ''The Incredulity of Saint Thomas'' that Lost referenced last year in ''316'' but... well, see, now I'm talking myself into loving that strange scene. Ditto: Jack's leap of faith with the dynamite stick, which left me debating between ''Totally genius!'' and ''Totally ridiculous!'' And how about finding another way to bring Fake Locke into a scene than having characters looking frantically about as they hear the tikatikatikatika while the camera pans over to Smocke popping out of the bush behind them with a smug smirk on his face?
Finally:
Bueller?
Bueller?
Bueller?
Translation: It's time for Ferris Sawyer's Multi-Episode Day Off to come to close. Seriously.
Nitpicking concluded. Your scorn? Bring it. Your agreement? Not necessary. I hope we can all agree that bugs aside, ''Dr. Linus'' gave us stuff to ponder and moments to savor. And so we take out our textbooks and begin the lesson.
The Sideways World
No Child Left Behind
''None of this would have happened if Mr. McAllister hadn't meddled the way he did. He should have just accepted things as they are instead of trying to interfere with destiny. You see, you can't interfere with destiny. That's why it's destiny. And if you try to interfere, the same thing's going to happen anyway, and you'll just suffer.'' — Tracy Flick, Election
''Just follow your heart. That's what I do.''— Napoleon Dynamite
There was a funny moment at the start of Ben's Island story line when he stumbled into Ilana's company, or rather, glommed on to them, as a lost soul always on the make for somewhere to belong is wont to do. Like a stray searching for a home, like a parasite in need of a host, like that creepy Orphan chick in Orphan. Ilana — sensitive, inquisitive Ilana — immediately asked Ben about... Sayid. Ben was stung. ''I'm fine, thank you,'' Ben said sarcastically. It was a primo Linus snark, but it was a window into his wounded heart, too. Benjamin Linus: unappreciated, unloved, and unwanted. He has spent most of his entire misbegotten existence hustling to secure and maintain a toe hold in the world, improvising his relevance and significance to the narrative of life that he worries would otherwise neglect him and forget him and leave him behind. When the cosmos is that indifferent to you, you might gas a village, too. Ah, they were just stupid hippies, anyway.
Sideways Ben was similarly afflicted, but less severely so. I was struck by his relationship with his father. They lived together in a humble home. They dined on microwave (organic) turkey dinner meals. They grieved broken ideals and unrealized dreams. We learned they had been on the Island as members of the Dharma Initiative — but they had left, before the Island had sunk. ''This isn't the life I wanted for you, Ben. I wanted so much more,'' Roger wheezed. ''Imagine how different our lives would have been if we had stayed.'' (Cut to: Roger Linus throwing a Dharma beer can at his boy's head and berating him for the thousandth time for killing his true love during child birth.) (An extremely little known fact: the subtitle to the season 3 classic ''The Man Behind The Curtain'' was actually ''Very, very loosely based on the novel Push by Sapphire.'') Sideways Roger presented himself as a sad old soul who viewed his son as an underachieving talent but only blamed his own bad parenting choices for Ben's fate. An improvement over Island world Roger? Yes. But I was left to wonder what it must have been like for Sideways Ben to grow up burdened by his father's ambition for him. Regardless, we saw the result: Ben the Overeducated, Overqualified High School Teacher, dogged by enough feelings of inadequacy to deem himself a loser. I got the sense Ben saw his father clearly — clearly enough to feel a little resentment, but not so much that he hated him, or, like, wanted to drive him out into the jungle and gas him to death. In a clever flick at ''The Man Behind The Curtain,'' we got a scene where the Good Son changed his ailing father's oxygen tank and doted on his comfort. Bottom line: Sideways Ben was more like Florence Nightingale, less like Heinrich Himmler.
THEORY REVISION ALERT!
Categories: Sideways Island Sinkage; Parallel World Historical Discrepancies.
Analysis: Until last night, it had been safe to assume that both the Island and Sideways worlds shared the same history until 1977, which is when the time-traveling castaways detonated Jughead. But the Linus men of the Sideways world blew up that thinking. I took the story to mean that Sideways Roger and Ben left the Island prior to its sinking. But Island Roger and Ben were still on the Island when Juliet banged the bomb. Implication: If the two worlds share a common history, the fork in the road is sometime before 1977. Rebooted Theory: The divergence begins on that fateful night when some phantom stranger struck John Locke's teenage mother, causing her to give birth three months early. That phantom stranger? I'm saying it's Charles Widmore.
Sideways Ben was a history teacher. Fitting for a man forever fighting for a place in history, and whose Island iteration may have been stalling the flow of destiny, if not meddling with it and making a mess of it, all in order to keep and preserve his Island good thing. He only ever succeeded in manufacturing suffering — for himself, his daughter, the Others, the castaways, and more. Through Teacher Ben, we got historical citations that I dare to now apply to Lost lore. We got a reference to Napoleon in exile on Elba, neutered by the loss of his power. Island Ben would later link himself to the reference. But Charles Widmore and Smokey also fit into Napoleon's pantaloons. After all, Napoleon ultimately escaped from his Island prison and reclaimed France (if only for 100 days) — and both Widmore and Smokey are exiles wanting to get back to their respective kingdoms/homes. (Something to also think about: after Napoleon got booted out of power again, he was exiled to another, less desirable island, Saint Helena, where he would die of stomach cancer/ulcer/poisoning. Foreshadowing for Smokey or Widmore's final fate?) (I'm telling you, that knife Sayid stabbed Smokey with last week? Dogen poisoned it.) (And didn't Alex last night mention she was nursing a stomach ache while the principal and the nurse were... you know... ''doing it''?) Dr. Linus also spoke of the East India Trading Company, the powerful British business entity that was established to execute trade with India, but wound up ruling much of it. And we recall that Ben has long alleged that all Widmore wants to do is exploit the Island for his material gain... although I personally suspect what Widmore wants most the Island is to use it to cheat death.
Ben's Sideways story mirrored his entire Island arc and even suggested many possibilities for the entire saga. You might even say Ben's parallel world yarn works as a theory of Lost. Let's bunker down in that conspicuously labeled REFERENCE section of the high school library and cross-reference the Sideways story with what we know about the greater epic, beginning with...
THE HIGH SCHOOL
The first several scenes of the Sideways story line emphasized the sad state of Ben's school. It was struggling to fulfill its educational mission, hit hard by ''budget cuts'' and ''crises'' that were ''above the pay grade'' of the school's administrators and teachers. This expression of our once glorious public school system was deeply imperiled.
THE ISLAND
The Island is like a school — a school for the soul. A place for people to learn and improve; a place where mistakes can be made without fear of failure, and instead be learning opportunities. But the Island is dying. Because it is a mystical/spiritual/mythical place, because it is an ideal, it exists only as long as we believe in it. But science and catastrophe and war and cynicism and reality television have rocked our faith and interest, thus weakening the Island's power. Or maybe it's not our fault at all! Maybe the Island has shrunk from view and gone awry because its owner is a proverbial absentee landlord, and the managers he installs to run the joint routinely suck or become corrupt. Yes! Let's blame them! And let's start with...
PRINCIPAL REYNOLDS
We knew he was going to be a big meanie the second we saw he was being played by William Atherton, the very fine character actor famed for playing pricks in movies like Die Hard, Ghostbusters, and my favorite of the bunch, Real Genius. (Essay time! 300 words on the relevance of those titles to Lost. Go! Seriously! GO!) Ben painted him out to be a heretic soulless political player who had lost sight of priorities and values. ''Principal Reynolds is an administrator. He's not a teacher,'' Ben said. ''He's forgotten what the public school system is about... taking care of the kids. That's what important.'' By contrast, Dr. Linus positioned himself to be as idealistic as his Charlie Brown namesake. After Arzt dismissively told Ben to ''keep dreamin','' Linus replied as ''I know you've given up but I refuse to.'' All this said, it should be noted that the story gave us no reason to believe Reynolds was some unenlightened, uninspired Enemy of Education. (You know, besides that whole thing about cheating on his wife and boinking the school nurse on campus.)
CHARLES WIDMORE
The Others' former majordomo was forced to abdicate by Ben for violating one of the many rules Island magistrates must abide by if they wish to hold office. His offense: allegedly sneaking off the Island and knocking up some mainland honey, presumably Penelope Widmore's mother. We don't have confirmation that he was still romantically linked with Island consort Eloise Hawking at the time of his indiscretion, but we presume that to be the case. Still, was Widmore really such a bad Island caretaker? Not if you asked him. ''You might find this difficult to understand, Benjamin, but every decision I've made has been about protecting this Island.'' Widmore said these words to Ben during their defining conflict:
HISTORY CLASS VS. DETENTION
Reynolds ordered Ben to execute detention duty for a week. Ben balked. Doing detention would mean he'd have to pull the plug on history club, and Ben thought that would be a horrible idea. Cutbacks were bad enough. But to deny the kids the investment of time from teacher who wish to freely give it? For shame! The kids, Reynolds! Think of the kids! But the principal scoffed. Facilitating history club
with only five members, including Alex Rousseau
was a waste of precious resources. Besides, history club wasn't about the kids, Reynolds said. ''It's for you. It helps you feel needed.'' Ouch! And true. Regardless, Ben went rogue and began tutoring Alex privately — to help her, to spite Reynolds, and to exert his will. During their sessions, Alex tipped Ben off to Reynolds' unethical sexual conduct with the intense glee of a gossip girl. Ben's reaction was interesting. He seemed genuinely appalled, as if Reynolds' conduct was heretically offensive to high-minded ideals. But he also saw an opportunity for a power play, too. The idealist became a revolutionary.
THE BEN/WIDMORE CONFLICT OVER ALEX
Shortly after Rousseau had finished off the rest of her fellow French scientists and given birth to Baby Alex, Chief Executive Other Widmore ordered Ben to ''exterminate'' both of them from the Island. He coldly dismissed baby Alex as an ''it,'' as if she were an animal that would just be a drain on Island resources that needed to be devoted elsewhere. Yep: definitely sounds like a guy that ain't about ''taking care of the kids.'' So Ben balked. He couldn't bring himself to murder. Ben clearly had developed a different vision for how the Others should be managing the Island and living their lives. Widmore dismissed Ben's ''idealism'' as sentimental and self-serving — about him needing to feel needed. But he didn't stop Ben from taking on the project of raising Alex alone. Ben's victory inspired him to dream bigger. And when he uncovered the truth about Widmore's off-Island slick willying, he staged his coup and forced him into exile. He also moved the nomadic Others out of the wild and into Dharmaville. But Ben's dream of settling down and playing house — modifying Others culture in such a way to service and fulfill his own desires and needs — was surely antithetical to the Others' true purpose, and was most likely what earned the Others' their baby-making curse from the Island/Jacob. Richard Alpert said as much when he encouraged Locke to make a play for Ben's job. ''Ben has been wasting our time with novelties like fertility problems,'' Richard said. ''We're looking for someone to remind us that we're here for more important reasons.'' Of course, Richard had himself to blame for his Ben problem, which brings us to...
LESLIE ARZT
Ben needed help to remove Reynolds from office and enlisted Arzt, who leveraged his unique expertise to get Ben the inside intel he needed to blackmail the principal. In exchange, the science teacher wanted better lab equipment, new aprons, and a better parking spot.
RICHARD ALPERT
Alpert undoubtedly helped Ben with his insurrection. Why? What did he get in return? (Besides a Dharma purge.) I'm hoping future episodes will tell the tale. But Ben had another ally in his revolution — the person who actually planted in him the seed of regime change dreams. And that would be...
JOHN LOCKE
While Ben and Arzt ate lunch and griped about Reynolds, it was the Substitute who spoke up and encouraged Ben to act on his dissatisfaction. ''Maybe you should be principal. It just sounds like you care about this place,'' Locke said. ''And if the man in charge doesn't, then maybe it's time for a change.'' When Ben wondered who, if anyone, would listen to someone like him, Locke raised his hand and flashed either his warm smile or mischievous, baiting one. ''I'm listening,'' he said. I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE THINKING! I have no doubt the burning question that'll be making the rounds in the Lost fan culture is going to be this: Is Sideways Locke actually...
THE MAN IN BLACK/SMOKEY/FAKE LOCKE...
Throughout his Others reign, Ben insisted he was hearing the voice of Jacob and heeding his will. He justified everything by putting it all on his Island god. But the time has come to begin wondering how attuned to Jacob that Ben has been — if he's been attuned to him at all. In our real world, there are those who claim to know God and hear God's voice in their lives, but they could be wrong. Doesn't mean there isn't a God, just that God ain't talking to them. I suspect Ben is one of those people. ''What about you?'' Jacob asked Ben last season. It sounded so dismissive. But Jacob could have also been challenging Ben on his self-deception, or basically saying, ''I'm sorry. Do I know you?'' Ben's either been faking his rapport with Jacob, or (and this is my theory) the supernatural entity that's been speaking to him all along has been the Man In Black. Ben thought he was serving Jacob the Christ, but he was most likely the victim of a long con perpetrated by a snake oil-selling false messiah, Smokenstein the Anti-Christ, who was just using Ben in his master plan to escape the Island and live anew as a man in a separate reality, one with no Island and no Jacob to trap him: the Sideways world.
Sideways Ben didn't go through with his blackmail plot. Or at least, not all of it. He got far enough to throw incriminating emails in Reynolds' face and demand that Reynolds quit and leverage his clout to install Ben in the job. (One wonders if Island Ben made Charles Widmore do the same — recommend him to the post Ben was forcing him to vacate.) Reynolds in turn threatened to ''torch'' Alex's chances at getting into Yale and thus destroy her future, just as Widmore sent his goons to ''torch'' the Island and kill Alex unless Ben bent to his will. Ben chose the Island over his daughter and both he and his girl paid dearly the choice. Sideways Ben made a different selection. He backed off his demands for Reynolds' position, and instead ''negotiated'' to shore up the humble station he already occupied, one that allowed him to live out the values and ideals he believed in, budget cuts and higher orders and crises and heartless administrators be damned. In other words: no detention. He took pride in watching Alex walk away toward promising future. And when Arzt complained about getting screwed, Ben compensated him by sacrificing his parking spot. That's Sideways Ben for you. A giver.
We were left to wonder why Ben chose as he did. As a historian, Ben probably is familiar with the phrase from George Santayana, "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." Maybe Sideways Ben was able to avoid duplicating the fate of his Island world counterpart because of some genetic or past life memory bubbled into his consciousness. Maybe he gleaned a lesson or two about power, priorities, regret and responsibility from what his otherworld avatar had learned in the trial-and-error spiritual classroom of the Island. Maybe that info radiated into his brain via the reflection he saw of himself in the window of his microwave as he was zapping organic turkey for his father. Or maybe not. Maybe Sideways Ben is simply made of slightly better stuff and slightly better experiences — a well-meaning if flawed father; exposure to the well-meaning if flawed idealistic culture of the Dharma Initiative; and surely more. Either way, this version of Benjamin Linus found redemption by following his heart. In the words of Napoleon: GOSH!
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+++ INTERMISSION: A BRIEF WORD ABOUT ADULTERY
Last week, I suggested that Lost 6.0 was akin to The Decalogue, famed director Krzysztof Kieslowski's series of one-hour films meditating on the Ten Commandments. Last week being the fifth episode of the season, we got a meditation on the Fifth Commandment, Thou Shall Not Kill. ''Dr. Linus'' was the sixth episode of the season, and the Sixth Commandment is Thou Shalt Not Commit Adultery. What did we get? A story about Ben blackmailing a guy for cheating on his wife. Okay, that's not really what ''Dr. Linus'' was about. But it was about fidelity, about remaining faithful to your beliefs and values and ideals even if they don't get you what you want in the moment or even what you want most; it was about what happens when all those convictions get tested and challenged and seemingly proven useless, foolish, and wrong. And what does happen? Well, for some, there is chaos, despair, and the feeling that their whole world has been blown up and annihilated. Yep: sucks to be them. And last night, suckage reigned on....
This Island Earth!
The Hurt Locker
''It makes us aware of how frail and tiny we are and of how much we must depend upon the Master of the Universe.''
The Chosen by Chaim Potok
''I was robbed! I spent the whole night waiting for the Great Pumpkin, when I could have been out for tricks or treats. Halloween is over, and I missed it! You blockhead. You kept me up all night waiting for the Great Pumpkin, and all that came was a beagle. I didn't get a chance to go out for tricks or treats. And it was all your fault. I'll sue! What a fool I was! I could have had candy apples and gum and cookies and money and all sorts of things, but no, I had to listen to you. You blockhead. What a fool I was. Trick or treats come only once a year. And I missed it by sitting in a pumpkin patch with a blockhead. YOU OWE ME RESTITUTION!'' — Sally Brown to Linus Van Pelt, It's The Great Pumpkin, Charlie BrownIn my recap of ''Sundown'' last week, I proposed that the Island portion of Lost 6.0 will take place over three full days, using the Biblical template of Christ's long Easter weekend trip to hell and back. The first six hours of the season took us through the dark night of Good Friday, which means that ''Dr. Linus'' brought us to Saturday morning. On Saturday, as Jesus assayed the Harrowing in the underworld, his disciples on Earth were presumably freaking out, feeling a little bit like Sally Brown, I'm sure. The Island story in ''Dr. Linus'' focused on three disciples of Jacob who processed their grief and despair and anger over his death in different ways. Richard wanted to die. Ilana wanted vengeance. Ben, as usual, just wanted to survive, by any means necessary. All three were on the precipice of making dark, damning choices to resolve their agita. Instead, they each chose something different, and found themselves stumbling into something totally unexpected: hope.
ILANA AND BEN
She called Jacob the closest thing she ever had to a father. Which means only one thing for certain: Jacob wasn't her real father. He could have been her father in the God sense of father — a supernatural entity responsible for her existence and purpose. Maybe it's more of a Godfather thing; she could be Jacob's consigliore (like Tom Hagen, a Ben-esque stray/outsider taken off the street and groomed into a top assistant), maybe his Luca Brasi. We have a few missing years on the Island — the three years between when the castaways began time traveling (late 2004/early 2005) and 2007. We also know that Ilana spent some time in the hospital with bandages wrapped around her face and Jacob visited her and tasked her anew with a mission. How did she get injured? I'm guessing she was on the Island during those missing three years fighting a battle that went badly, possible trying to keep Smokey bottled up. She is now charged with protecting the candidates to replace Jacob. Don't ask her what it means: she doesn't know or isn't telling us. She was asked how many were left, she said six. Was she counting John Locke? Fake Locke? Jin and Sun twice?
Ilana asked Miles to work his magic and chat up Jacob's ashes. We had been led to believe last year that Miles doesn't speak with cremated bodies, but he could have been lying back then. She discovered Ben had murdered Jacob, then did nothing about it until reaching the beach camp. Everyone got to work. Ben scavenged through Sawyer's tent finding two books, The Chosen and another sporting Benjamin Disraeli's name and famous quote ''Justice is truth in action'' on the cover. On, a porn rag, too, all about the butt. Headline: ''Getting to the bottom if it!'' (''The things people bring to read on an airplane....'') Ben perked up when Frank Lapidus explain that he was supposed to have flown Oceanic 815, but had overslept. Frank floated the question: How might have things been different? Again, we are left to wonder: Are the SIdeways stories resolving that mystery? If not, what are the Sideways?
Ilana quietly stripped the camp of cables and locks and then abruptly, violently put a gun to Ben's head and marched him out to Boone Hill and made him dig his own grave. She was going to shoot him dead in it — shades of ''Man Behind The Curtain,'' which ended with Ben shooting Locke (seemingly) dead into the mass grave of dead Dharma members.
While Ilana brooded and nibbled on mangoes, Fake Locke appeared to Ben and made him one of his Faustian offers: future management of the Island. I couldn't tell if Smokey was being sincere; this promise would be the easiest to keep, but I was kinda getting the sense — or maybe just making the assumption — that the Monster had no desire to see the Island continue existing. Fake Locke's screen time here was about equal to the amount of time Sideways Locke got with Sideways Ben. He also presented to Ben as a sympathetic, supportive ally. Ben's survival instinct — and Somebody Wants Me!! instinct — kicked in. He ran to where Smocke had said he'd find a rifle. He got the drop on Ilana, but instead of shooting her, he was suddenly overwhelmed by a desire to explain himself — as if realizing for the first time what he really wanted: to be known, understood, and not rejected, even though he was about to reveal his ugliest inner bits. His confession was part self-laceration, part rage against the Jacob/Island machine: ''I watched my daughter Alex die in front of me and it was my fault. I had a chance to save her. I chose the Island over her. All in the name of Jacob. I sacrificed everything for him, and he didn't even care. I stabbed him. I was so angry. Confused. I was terrified I was about to lose the only thing that ever happened to me, my power. But the thing that really mattered was already gone. ...I can never forgive myself.''
Maybe he couldn't — but surprisingly, she could. Or maybe she decided life would be better — and grieving would be just a little easier — if she let go of the anger. He was floored. It was like he had experienced a new emotion he had never known existed. I might call it ''Amazing Grace.'' Saved, the once-lost, now-found wretch made the first of two heroic choices that represent the proper response to such a gift. The first: renouncing evil. Ben became the first person this season to turn down a FrankenLocke bargain. That's going to have consequences. The second: sacrifice. He entered the beach camp and offered Sun his help putting up the tarp, just as his Sideways version would have easily, effortlessly offered assistance to one of his students. Sun looked at him with eyes that said, What the hell got into you, Guy Who Wanted To Use Me As Breeding Stock In Season 3? Please, Sun: Let's not resort to name-calling. Call him Linus. Dr. Linus perhaps...
JACK, HURLEY, AND RICHARD
Everything about this arc seemed loaded with meaning. Hurley waking up in the field of flowers reminded me of the poppy sequence in The Wizard of Oz. Jack wanting to get moving toward whatever destiny awaited him while Hurley wanted to eat first — reminders that Hurley is gripped by hunger when he's anxious and Jack defers food until his deeper yearnings are sated. They then fought over the right path back to the Temple. Hurley was either going to take the long way or the wrong way, while Jack wanted to go directly back the way they came. It was hard to hear the line and not think Lost was saying something about its two-track, parallel world structure. Then Richard showed up and offered a third path. Jack followed. When Hurley asked if Richard could be trusted, Jack said, ''At least he's not stallin'.'' It was another wink at the audience in an episode full of them. Combined with the line about Napoleon's Elba being the place where ''everything became clear,'' I wondered if Lost was addressing anyone griping about the pace of ''answers'' and saying, Don't worry. Trust us. Okay?
Ironically, then, Richard's path ended with... a lie. He took them to the Black Rock, which was not where he said was taking them, although it was where we've been wanting Alpert to go for a couple years now as we've wondered if the ageless Others came to the Island via the slave ship. (Another reading of Richard's third way as a metaphor for Lost's storytelling: We won't lead you astray, but we're not going the way you expect. We'll be doing this ''answer'' thing our way. ‘Kay?)
But I remain suspicious of Jack. When we last saw him, he was furious over the Lighthouse revelations. Now, after a long gaze out over the beach, it seemed Jack had thought over a few things and was totally activated to chase after all of the Island's magic white rabbits — whether they look like his father or wear eyeliner — and see where they lead. Does Jack want to know Jacob's purpose so he can faithfully fulfill it... or so he can angrily subvert it? He crackles with so much crazy mania, it's hard to know if he's a true believer or a great deceiver. Is it possible the title of the episode hints at an even more provocative possibility: that Ben, a.k.a. ''Dr. Linus,'' has replaced Dr. Shephard as the story's hero, while Jack has replaced Ben as its villain? Consider that sentimental slow-mo reunion sequence that ended the episode. We saw everyone in their huts and tents — including Miles, inspecting the diamonds he purloined from Nikki and Paulo's grave (all $8 million of it? No going dutch on coffee with him!) — as Jack, Hurley and Richard approached. This moment was staged to deliberately echo the scene from the season 3 episode ''One Of Us,'' when Jack, Kate, and Sayid returned from New Otherton, bringing Juliet with them. When the beach crew saw her, the happy-huggy moment abruptly ended, and everyone gave her the stink-eye (especially, ironically, Sawyer) — just like Jack and Ben traded suspicious looks in last night's episode. We learned at the very end of ''One Of Us'' that newbie Juliet was indeed shady; she had been sent by Ben to spy on the camp. (The moment was mirrored, I think, by having ''Dr. Linus'' end with Widmore's submarine spying on the castaways.)
Why might Jack be so angry? Oh, I don't know. The same reason Sally Brown was so angry after spending all night in a pumpkin patch with Linus Van Pelt waiting for transcendent revelation to arrive. This Island thing — Jacob, Ben, everything — has made a big mess of his life, and he wants someone to take responsibility for it. He wants payback. Sally's cry is his cry: ''YOU OWE ME RESTITUTION!''
Of course, back in season 3, Juliet and Jack were nurturing heroic double-crosses. Still, at this point in the season, I'm looking inside Jack's heart, and wondering which way his scales are tilting. Will he be replacing Jacob by season's end... or Smokey?
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Awesome. I turned to my wife and said...dam she's like a hot version of Nicole kidman.
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When they had the crazy mother talk last night, I googled crazy mother of the gods. Found nothing. So I left it alone.
Until reading y'all this morning. That's when I remembered something.
In HBO's Carnivale we were led to believe that the 2 main characters were Avatars. In Hinduism, Avatar refers to a deliberate descent of a deity from heaven to earth, and is mostly translated into English as "incarnation", but more accurately as "appearance" or "manifestation". (wiki)
The reason I bring this up is that they made a point in Carnivale that the mothers of Avatars went crazy at either conception or at birth.....I forget which.
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What I read was good though. Thanks for the paragraph breaks
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sucks Frozen Donkey Balls.
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What the Island Is: For a couple weeks now, I've been teasing that a four-letter word will be used to describe the island. It has an O, and no A's or E's. Your final clue is this: You'll learn that word next week! Episode number nine is Richard Alpert's (Nestor Carbonell) backstory and it is not to be missed.
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Someone we have not yet met will have an important message for Hurley next week.
Fake Locke is going to tell Jin how he plans to get off the island, and it's pretty juicy!
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the article sucks You?? STRANGE
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although your more like Lukewarm Donkey Balls (its the smell you see)
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And here's a guess but anybody who wants to read what's on Lost room whatever can go and read it on that website. The spoilers don't originate from there in any case. But dude that's a dreadful article. Get a clue.
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it says SPOILERS in the header dumbshit .. Im surprised you could actually read the comment
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Im guessing those that dont want to read the article .. WONT or some will just talk shit like little bitches
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How about you write us a nice post expressing your own thoughts and opinions about LOST? You know, contribute to the discussion. Instead of copying and pasting shit like a retard. Retard.
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Or I could troll around and start shit like you I guess .. im done feeding the rolls .. go eat a dick
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Here's the deal. You copy and pasted an essay somebody wrote on another site. I read the essay and thought it was shit. You started getting abusive. Is that all you've got for us little fella?
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oh and Ive seen your "thoughts and opinions" .. and id rather read Smurf Porn for all its fluff and idiocy ..GOOD DAY SIR
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season 5, where Daniel Faraday explains how times 'course correction' works, like flowing around pebbles in a stream. And what would happen if a massive event (like a boulder in that stream, or "The Incident") attempted to branch history.
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and yeah I would rather "cut and paste" someone else's intelligent, insightful thoughts and ideas intead of posting just any mindless drivel that comes to my or YOUR head .. its kind of like studying under a piano miastro instead of just pounding on the keys like a moron .. so pound away fucktard .. your on mute anyway
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sucks Frozen Donkey Balls
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Amigo. If you must..MUST...point all to a thing you think grand on Pa's site...
An aggregated column posted by Pa from that hack scholar of ..Doc Jensen. grrrr. He who.. He who casteth a net in all the many talk backs in the deep deep inter seas of LOST... and then King Kongs his chest with everyone elses insight. Dudio. Please. Just say, "Hey, folks, go lookie here" and http://tinyurl.com/ the article...
It is the sixth season..only the Pros from Dover and the ...kids. are here and about. Yust sayin..
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I am just wondering what the hell unLocke did to Claire to have her do such a 180? The thought of that gives me chills...
Unlocke is definitely evil, and yay for my dude Sawyer and "screw all this, i'm doing it my way". He really is the Han Solo of Lost. -
Come, let us reason and... time travel together. Kundera!
That deleted scene.. from season 5? You have seen it? Question. How did me and Vorlonkosh discuss it on March 26th, 2009 09:23:20 AM ..before it was written? Magic?
hmmpf.
http://tinyurl.com/QuantDies
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""""Tovarish, Ontological paradoxes have been running to and fro for some time now..as pointed out several dozen talk backs ago.
However, and yes...BUT...all of this, and everyone's assumption of..some such Einstein-ian temporal variability, is an application of normative notions of time-travel. And so..says who?
General Relativity allows closed timelike curves..and though Novikov self-consistency conjecture would prevent a time-traveler from stopping the holocaust in WW 2, it would allow said traveler to yoke out certain folks from certain death..or some such sorta thing...
My friends (said John McCain)..don't feature time as Danny Faraday said...a street, there and back, going up and going down, but never a new street driven...
Time is a raging glacial river flowing from a pristine mountain...consciousness (and let us confine this to awake and aware and fore go all notion of the mind actually residing in the quantum or smaller) So, your consciousness is a kayak shooting down the rapid river flow..
It is possible for all things that you might imagine to occur; paddling along..example, over the falls and into a whirlpool, the voyager (you) spins right round round right round like a record baby right round round round round..but, eventually, the voyager either (and must) paddle out of the whirlpool or drown (Charlotte's bloody nose(trademark))..
So, conjure this, you are on the river, riding the current to it's and your inevitable destination..the wide open sea..for whatever larger reason, god, fate, math, you can not get out of the kayak, you can only watch the world go by (Quickserv Johny)..so how would you, how could you affect the mighty flow of the river to cause a new effect? You can not..imagine time travel as manifesting (imagining) yourself down shore, watching yourself coming, watching yourself passing, watching yourself going on, down the river of time ...Any of your actions would be like throwing rocks in the river before ya...
Would you produce much change in the river throwing rocks in it? Slight perturbations..course change? Unlikely. Highly probabilistically unlikely to change the course of the river and your kayak..
However, again..now imagine you had the ability throw said rock AT a boulder..a 100 ton boulder hanging over the river..and it would fall right in the middle of the river..might this not divert YOUR witnessed raging rapid river journey and affect the course..we are typing of some such massive mass and or energy to cause said effect..
In summation...POOF. You are confined to the kayak paddling down a raging river. Ahead, you can estimate yourself going down the river. You try to change the course of the journey by throwing a rock in the river. All that occurs is a tiny splash, and the slightest almost unnoticeable change in course that will not affect your final destination..
Alternative.. POOF. You are paddling down the raging river. You imagine yourself coming down the river. You try to change the course of the journey not by throwing a rock into the river, but rather by throwing the rock at a boulder hanging tenuously on a cliff above..BOOM..Avalanche..Time quake..you succeed.
Several hundred tons of mass fall into the river altering the flow and sending you on a different course. Imagine the river deltas and turns and reservoirs, and then waterfalls back into the river upstream from where you threw the rock..You won't see yourself throw the rock..you are simply (yeah, how would that happen) riding down the river again..just a bit different. In the end you still can't get out of the kayak, you still can't beach, you still will wind up in the great endless ocean...but you might change the experience for anyone riding with you
But, heh, what a fuckin ride..yeah. Faraday!""""
Yeah, it freaked me out too. That was also before the Atom-bomb gambit. I demanded TPTB, buy a t-shirt. Can't agree with their choice.. but, ah, what the hell. It is all in good fun. -
btw props to whoever said a couple of weeks ago that Sawyer would be a cop in the sideways story .. GOOD CALL
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sorry if the article offends your lost creativity but your a couple of eggs short of a bakers dozen yourself .. I could care less if jensen had the ideas himself, pulled them out of his ass or straight plagiarized them .. he wrote the article in a clear and thought provoking way which I admired and I re-posted so others migth enjoy it .. if you dont want to read then dont read it .. I dont give a shit either way
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Last night was good, but that ending was ridiculous.
Kate: Who can fly the plane?
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I'm a die hard Lost fan and I couldn't wait for last night's episode to end. Hell I started doing a cross word halfway through. Those who know me on here know I don't say this lightly. It was unfocused, predictable, and boring, particularly the sideways scenes. Am I supposed to give a shit about Sawyer's blind date with Charlotte and the fact that, yes, he's still hunting Cooper? Even if Cooper comes into play again in the sideways world, which he better now, this was a pointless episode. And the island scenes? Anybody with a brain cell knew that chick was with Widmore instantly and that it was also obvious Smokey killed those people and not Widmore. I realize this is the first episdoe of a new act but yeesh was I unengaged. Worst episode since SIASL. Thank goodness Alpert's episode is next week.
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no I was referring to after the FIRST episode somebody wrote after seeing sawyer in the elevatro with Kate at the airport that they bet he was a cop in this reality as a depaerture for his character .. THAT was spot on
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I would give it a C+. Never been a huge Sawyer fan, which may have something to do with it. I agree with most of your critiques, but I will point, it did mark a pretty dramatic shift in tone. Things definitely got darker last night. Which is still story progression. So at least they're not stalling like a lot of people are crying. But yeah definitely my least favorite episode of the season. Still good by other standards, but poor when compared to other LOST episodes.
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TOMB?
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I think my least favorite episode was the Kate babysitting episode .. Sawyer can eat up scenery like no other
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That is all.
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Mar 17, 2010 9:33:52 AM CDT
@MacFaux. Homo Sapiens evolved language in order to communicate
by v'shael
To pass information back and forth, and to successfully pass an intangible idea from the mind of one, into the mind of the other. Like some amazing telepathy only via the tongue and the ears.
What species are you, that you take something so useful as language and use it only to confuse, obfuscate and dissemble? To try (one supposes) to paint an inaccurate picture of the world? One where you're not a cunt?
How can we take seriously someone who links to a quantum suicide article and cites Novikov, but can't spell "forego" ?
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I think I'm placing this one lower for alot of the reasons Hobo pointed out. I just didn't care while I was watching it. As much as I wasn't blown away by What Kate Does I was at least interested from start to finish. Last night I thought a few times, Oh just get to the end so I know the cliffhanger and be done with it.
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don't get me wrong, I love Lost. But this monday's episode of 24 was easily the best episode since the early seasons. Why don't we get a talkback for that????
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The "Mom" is MOTHER NATURE. Jacob is SNOW MISER. And MIB is HEAT MISER. Search your feelings, you know it to be true.
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It's there man. There just isn't anyone talking.
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yeah I see your point .. but I think the real problem is that we have been waiting for WEAKS for some substantial plot development instead of this snails pace setup (not filler ... im an optimist) that each weak our patience gets thinner and thinner .. hence the lower score for Sawyer .. I was just as antsy as yall when wathcing it .. but I still dont think it scores lower than Pregnant Thelma and Louise
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thanks .. now im dying to find a copy of "Heat Miser" by Sprawl ... havent heard it since I was a teenager
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"Homo Sapiens evolved...' blah blah blah. whatever, man. Pal, typing that is lke ..well. It has to be some subsection of Godwin's Law.
I mean. fuck. C'Mon man. why be a dick? i just don't get you continentals. You that insecure? You that small? I typed up a bit of what not and your NEED, not want..your obvious need is to go ad hominem? ok. Ok, man. I get it, you are a sad fella, can't enjoy the fun ..(Am I typin to fast in Englisheee)
Your post in reply says waaaaaay more about your sad suck than mine. But hey, now, what the hell.
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this one: http://tinyurl.com/ykvfums
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and spam it with SGU stuff?
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I loved SG-1 and SGA but SGU just hssnt caught me yet .. I need to watch the last 4 episodes that I have recorded and havent seen yet I guess
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Mar 17, 2010 10:10:42 AM CDT
@lostboytexass.. well, you told me what for. Twitter. right.
by macfaux
ummm. yeah. No I did not. You are just too stupid to find it. Wait, what? Ohhhh. SNAP! What was your Shakespearen snarky what not come back?
Me+U+Trash can equals... C'mon, sister finish your witty for me...
Good Gods, boy. (shaking head)
Why the fuck am i typing to you... ah, yeah, liquor.
Pud, don't waste your time with me..there is no glory in board beatin me..
I'll save you the effort.
EVERYONE! EVERYONE! I need your attention here please! lostboytexass is much smarter, cooler, has a bigger cock, dresses better, has a better mullet, can out drink me, out think me, out dink me, has more money, is more clever, funnier, stronger, has a bigger cock ..wait did I mention that, you have a prettier boyfriend, troll more middle schoolers, have more logins and, well, this is impressive.. can lick your own ass longer, has served longer and harder, and has more purple hearts than me or anyone here on this board.
Oh. shit. A bridge to far.
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The word is "Cork". Which, given The Incident and the stuff at the Orchid and whatnot, should not really surprise anyone and doesn't tell us all that much.
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but another great episode for this season.
All the pieces are coming in play -
Miles reading dead people, Sawyer getting the ladies and conning the crims
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Mar 17, 2010 10:19:27 AM CDT
Loved the "Don't give a fuck" expression on Sayid's face
by miyamoto_musashi
the guy is completely messed up, any chance of redemption or is it just a matter of time for him
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Great. Europeans. Love the trains. Love the cafes. Love the women who will ditch a euro-man in about 20 seconds for an American.
Best bumper sticker ever...
"Which part of Europe are you from? The half we saved? or. The half whose ass we kicked?"
You all call me if you need your ass's saved.
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so i know it will take you time to fall in love with SGU, but how about those non-fans, why are they giving SGU the finger? it got it all, and then some!
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You haven't visited as often this season, I gather you have been spreading the word of Stargate elsewhere, anyway its not a TB without our favourite troll
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Later Miyamoto!
Be good, be well... be nice to the trolls..
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Why do so many idiots, including the tv without pity recapper, think that Sawyer is intending to pilot the sub? If he was taking the plane and Frank was there you'd assume he intends to make Frank fly it. Well the sub has a captain, and Sawyer has a gun. He's not intending to pilot the sub himself.
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when I first heard about it, was the one I was really looking forward to, hope it can live up to expectations, though expectations are probably already too high.
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through the looking glass?
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haven't read the full TB, but did someone seriously suggest that ?
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REALLY high but the obvious good ones rearely dissapoint .. look at the Constant and WalkAbout and Dr. Linus and Bens 1st flashback ep
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but can't say, might ruin your fun .
I still like DOOR, but it would be crazy and disturbing if we heard :
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I think the word is STOP .. man never been more irritated by a paragraph break in my life
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and then i might be around here more often.
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So I did :-)
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can everyone tell IT to use a loaded gun next???
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"what whispers??? what hurley bird ??? what time travelling??.....you see the Island is a giant BONG, you breathe in the air, you are breathing in some good Island shit, its in the water, in the fruit, man you see crazy shit, become really fucked up, even Lost."
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i think you already have, rosasaks to keep you company
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NICE ... BONG works great!!
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last weeks ep for the 3rd time last nite, something finally became clear to me.
Ben was all set to go with Locke, and what changed his mind? His conscience? You're kidding, right?
"I'll have you."
So says the beaufiful woman with a trembling lip, who up until a moment ago was ready to shoot you.
She turns, and then her beautiful ass walks back down the path thru the jungle, to the beach.
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so he did it all for the nookie?? Who Knew??
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Yes, at 9:18, at least that's the time it says on my talkback. I don't want to single out names since I was calling them idiots but it should be obvious. I'm in central time. But I'm more stumped by people like the tv without pity recapper being so dumb about Sawyer and the sub.
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1. Tomb. The island was a tomb, and the thing it was a tomb for now wants to be reincarnated and get back into the world.
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So I guess that's out.
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from this ep, the little things do matter
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Mar 17, 2010 11:07:37 AM CDT
one day ill buy AICN from Harry and have SGU talkback
by dioxholsterreturns
and ill convert all talkbacks into SGU and stargate talkbacks and everyone will be forced to talk about stargate and nothing else.
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To all the crackheads who keep talking about a white smoke monster, THERE'S NO SUCH CHARACTER!
Quit making shit up!
If, at some point I am proven wrong, so be it.
Until then, I think all those people from the Ajira flight were killed by the Giant Crab Monster!
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the island is a CORK. confirmed, but keeping in what? The MiB/Smokey or something worse?
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Mar 17, 2010 11:12:04 AM CDT
Everybody with Locke has Lost somebody since the crash!
by jimbojones123
Claire - CharlieSawyer - JulietteSayid - NadiaKate - Kate really never intended to be in Locke's campJin - never intended to be there either.me thinks there may be a key to these people all being alive in the Flash Sideways. Don't know what, but nobody on the beach has been dealt a personal loss like these three.
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or something that is neither good nor bad , i.e. a new reality, that will mean the end of this reality
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Worst ending??? no I hated Sopranos more .. it wa a non ending .. like the show broke or smoething .. I know it has been explained to be open-ended but if I wanted open-ended i would wear sandals not watch a show for five fuckng years waiting on a satisfactory conclusion!!!
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another unsavory conclusion was the Seinfeld one .. just didnt live up to the rest of the series besides strollig out every cameo they could think of in the last hour
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like where you were going, but Hurley lost Libby, Ben and Alex, Jack and his appendix (I kid)
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I think the hatch and the incident give us a good idea of what the island is holding back
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oh I thought spammer was a new euphamism FOR faggot .. who knew??
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do you guys dig it?
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not the regular series so much but I did dig The Ark of Truth as a capper for the show
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So MovieWhore called rosasaks a troll, and I contemplated saying "oh no he's not". But by the time I scrolled down to the bottom of the TB, rosasaks seemed to have turned into a troll. So it's that easy: Call someone a troll and they become one. Freaky!!
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All the other possible universes (past present and future) in which we exist. All of us exist in these universes as slightly different versions of ourselves but we exist (and sometimes do not) to keep the universes separate and whole. If the island were not to exist, then the infinite separate universes would meld into one, negating the possibility that destiny can indeed be affected by free will. This is what the MiB wants when he says he wants to "go home" - he wants to destroy the island and go back to the beginning when time was unaffected by free will and separate universes created by choice no longer exist. Deep, I know, but it's what I think that the writers have been trying to say all along.
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I didn't care for it. Like much of the series, it made no sense (even from a technobabble stand point). And it ultimately turned the bulk of the episode into a big "What if".
Continuum, was a fairly poor episode done on a big budget.
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LMAO .. you sir are a gentleman and a badass! **POOF** (and catch that Hulk alrady!!)
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and less replicators. although i understand why they put it there and the moral theme behind it but there shouldve been a major action-packed face-off. but last SG-1 episode was cool because it hit the right tone, depressing but hopeful. and the focus on the characters was a great idea for a last episode so we can easily say good bye to them. SGA needed that for a last episode.
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...told ya weeks ago Ford was not Sawyer (tho i thought there would be no Sawyer either)... and i think Jacob is MIBs son esp since this show is bout daddy issues
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I don't know about the specifics but I get the feeling it is something along those lines; something big.
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I don't know about the specifics but I get the feeling it is something along those lines; something big.
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thats the point of sci fi. i agree with you on ark of truth but what other way could they have defeated Ori army without resorting to Deus ex machina? it wasnt gonna be michael bay movie so there wasnt much else in one movie to be done.
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...i thought someone would name themselves that
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what the hell, that was one cool ass movie, it sort of the inspiration for SGU in the episode Time. not gonna spoil it but man was it mind boggling
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...too lazy to read thru the tb but i know ya liked last weeks
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C'mon, man. It was a weak ending. I'm not saying it's beyond reason, it was just silly.
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...the island sinker? Christian? Walt? Des?...
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Any relation to Bobby Miyamoto?
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and what a well-deserved slap that was! I imagine people were cheering all over the planet for that one. If Fakelocke would've walked over and gaiven Kate a slap for good measure, that scene would have been perfect!
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and what a well-deserved slap that was! I imagine people were cheering all over the planet for that one. If Fakelocke would've walked over and gaiven Kate a slap for good measure, that scene would have been perfect!
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Gaould were fun to watch and they were like bogeyman scary, shows you you dont need some complex villain motivation to make it work, just some dude who wants to make you slave coz its in hes nature to do so.
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Just another new character to be introduced next week.
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that they are turning that passenger jet around on that sandy beach. Ha
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...wow you replied! i dont think youve ever said anythin to me before despite me bein TEAM LOSTBOY... but it was a good ep (even tho this season aint a rockin like i had hoped)
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Not to mention the whole point of the exchange was that the plane wouldn't work because they need a pilot. To which he responded, we're taking the sub. The implication being that they don't need someone with the skill to drive it. Which is silly.
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For a couple of reasons, some more legitimate than others, this episode just wasn't that great in terms of a lost episode. That's not an attack on anyone who thought it was great, or an attack on the show, and im not even disappointed. i think, for some reason, many of us actually expected this episode to be fairly weak, again, for various reasons. Not the least of which is that last weeks episode was entirely brilliant, and we all know we are eaglerly anticipating next weeks richard episode more than anything else. Both of those things dampened the effect of this episode. But, that by itself, wouldnt be enough to make it as weak as it was. Someone else was saying this, but overall, it was just predictable. I typically enjoy the episodes where the "pieces of being put into place" type episodes, and that is what this was....but it just wasn't surprising. We knew Widmore was going to be on the other island, and it does seem to me its obvious smokey killed that pile of people, not widmore. Watching Sawyer do his con thing was fun...but again, I think we all suspected since the cave scene Sawyer is most probably pulling a long con on flocke....so no real shocker there. The clarification hes going along the plan to still get off the island...just with him and freckles only, was nice, but again, not surprising. Honest to god, Charlotte being absolutely beautiful was the most exciting thing about this episode. Disappointing. Flockes conversation about his feelings and his crazy mother, etc was the other strong moment. Its impossible to believe claire is going to kill kate at any point. It's interesting to see how Flocke seems to care about his new followers...but I don't care what anyone says, I think he's evil. A very, very bad man. He needs them for something. I just don't believe him.
Here is my real question though for last night, someone tell me how this makes sense. Last weeks episode ends with Widdy's submarine like, and I'm trying to not be nitpicky, but it honestly looked like he was about 50 yards offshore, clearly looking at Jack, Sun, Illana, Ben party on the beach, on the main island. "Proceed as planned" And the next time we see him he's docked on the hydra island scoping things out and finding a pile of dead people there? It did clearly look like he was going to the beach Jack and them were all on at the end last week right? So he turned around and headed for the Hydra after that? I didn't understand that. Wouldn't he go straight for Ben? -
...my friend (a nonlost fan) said it was the most effective bitch slap ever... i agree
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Sawyer's perfectly blow-dried hair after the long march thru the jungle. Does nobody sweat on this island?
It must be paradise! Why leave? There's no bugs-(note Hurley sleeping down in the weeds last week). All the bugs are on Hydra island, buzzing around the body pile! -
...which one will be sacrificed?
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If Matrix were here, he'd laugh too.
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...forget bugs... wheres the weed and shrooms? scientists did come to the island in the 70s...
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...this season is actually good but the alt reality is ruinin it... its like a reboot S1 but you just dont care (cept last week)...
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Can you not just be patient and enjoy the show? We have no idea what the significance of the ALT is? Why not just relax?
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Could you explain how their "lies" affect you? It seems to really stick in your craw. I just can't figure out why?
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I bet they will say that all life on earth began on it. As for the "Sub Sardines", yeah, I also thought there were too many people around to come from Widdie's sub, plus packing in the "smokey fence", and whatever is in the locked room. Oh, well...
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It wasn't ilana that changed his mind. He had already changed it the minute he killed Jacob and realized the hell he unleashed. not to mention his daughter's death. He wanted to join Ilana's group already but she was going to KILL HIM. That's why he was going to join up with Smokey.
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Well put, sir. It's why I don't understand the people who keep saying the ALT stuff is so bad. Until we get to the end we have no idea how it ties into the larger themes of LOST. It's like complaining at the beginning of Die Hard that there was no point in having him talk to the guy about fist with your toes because it didn't happen in the very next scene. Just chill out. Let it happen.
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...im relaxed... and also bored... but at least wit this and Sayids alts, "somethin" is happenin... i just dont like the rehashings...
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...you either like it or you dont..
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It wasn't my impression they were going to where the people were. I thought Widmore was saying ignore those people for now.
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Right, but it's a story. Certain details that seem unimportant now will be vital to our understanding later. I have no problem with people not liking certain episodes or even the whole show but to say that the ALT stuff sucks because it's just "filler" or a way for them to just play with character motifs just for the hell of it, seems like the whole show must suck for you. Since we still don't know so much about the overall story it all kinda falls into the ALT category of not "meaning" much. I mean how could you enjoy any of the first season stuff. We knew nothing about where it was going or how people connected.
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...i like his new direction... i always considered him the good guy or moral compass or the level headed one, but now hes a unemotional zombie...
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to open a door? I'm going with this for a while, look out.
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The candidates are kernels. Changed my mind already
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I think it's interesting how on LOST as well as with politics, because one person starts saying, 'Who's the Economist, who's the economist?', that it becomes important. Even though nothing on the show indicates we should care, it has grown into a big mystery. I enjoyed all of Shutter Island, the first time I watched it but until I had watched it the first time I didn't know what I should be paying attention to.
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...well i guess im not a fan of the show then cuz i dont like alts... also, i guess im not a fan since since i didnt watch from S1 (as said before i was a hater til flashes before your eyes)... and i must really not be a fan cuz i DID pay attention and theorized Ford is NOT Sawyer, Widdy was comin back, and that Des is NOT special (yet to be revealed)... oh well, since im not allowed opinions and obviously not a fan, then i guess i can scream..... THIS SHOW SUCKS (right?)
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Take a breath. I'm not saying you're not a fan. I'm saying I don't understand how you can enjoy a show like LOST, if the ALT's bother you so much. And maybe you just answered it. You sound like you may be more into the instant gratification of DVD. Which I'm not knocking, it's just not why I watch. I prefer to get the story staggered and have to wait and theorize and go on TB and whatnot. And LOST is nothing if not a show you have to give a pretty wide berth to as far as quick concise plot goes.
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It's like this. I love comic books. I could just wait for the collected editions of series to come out(DVD's) and read that way. I don't because I like having a countdown to Wednesday(the day comics come out, and when LOST used to on-it used to be my favorite day of the week). I like the build up and I like getting the story in little bits rather than all at once. I still watch like 15 movies a week, but I love me some TV. The world don't move to the beat of just one drum...
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...happy endings are not drama... sayid and fords alts are "good" cuz there was drama and seemed to be apart of somethin bigger... bens was good cuz of alex... but overall to me, i find the alts borin and predictable cuz its the same issues they have been dealin wit (and already overcame)... if there were more eps or seasons, it might work better.... if they showed you an antagonist ealier in alt, it could be better... but why argue/debate me if my opinions dont matter, im not a "fan", im an idiot, impatient, or whatever else i may be cuz i dont like the alts...
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But the show is ending. There are going to be endings. Some happy. Some sad. The reason they aren't setting up new drama is because the show is ending. And while I agree that sucks, it shouldn't make the show suck.
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And I'm not refuting whether or not your a fan. I think I was pretty clear on that. I just don't understand your line of reasoning. Hence the debate.
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Not only that but, I feel like it's created a new form of story-telling and that more than anything get me so involved. I may have heard the story before, but no ones told it in this way(that I've seen).
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I know this exposes me as the 12 year old girl that I am, but I felt that way about Harry Potter. I got to the end of the last book and thought,'no series will ever end as good as this.'
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...its ending BUT theyre givin us new beginnings too...if it was all on island stuff, great, but now im watchin all these fake or untrue stories... its like we have been watchin Buffy, but somethin crazy happens then we jump back 4 years to see the watcher not choose her so she lives a reg life where she runs into Dawn later, who happens to be her neighbor...
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...is callin jettl a fluffer or sayin TEAM LOSTBOY... me not enjoyin an aspect of a show is not a schtik... ive said why i dont enjoy alts NOW, and i am watchinit the way you suggest mcgoo, i have been watchin it like that since flashes before your eyes...
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And I agree 1000%, if the show ended last night. But it didn't. They still have so far to go and we don't know how the ALT fits in. It could anything at this point. Maybe it's an alternate timeline. But maybe the first five seasons were. Or maybe it's a dream. Or maybe it's wish fulfillment. Or maybe it's on and on and on. I will decide at the end whether I liked the decision they made but to say you already know it's meaningless closes you off to enjoying what has become almost half of every episode.
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...yes this show is unique regardin storytellin... BUT it does not mean every part of the story is good... i guess mcgoo loved the tat ep cuz it was apart of the big picture...
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...said this plenty of times, no drama and no antagonist... IF MIB was offisland, hell yea ill be into it...BUT SO FAR nothin has really happened cept tryin to resolve the same issues (ie aaron, handicap, killin sawyer, etc)... PLEASE JUST TELL ME WHAT HAS HAPPENED THAT WAS SIGNIFICANT, IMPORTANT, OR COMPELLIN IN ALTS (minus Ben n Alex)... and i take answers and not faith (meanin no "you have to wait" cuz i know that already)...
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at the police station. There is no other reason to include that conversation otherwise. Same accent. Used the word "brutha" as in "brother"...it was obvious.
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...mcgoo, been here a while and i KNOW havin different opinions makes you a "unfan"... seriously, read jays or rizzo replies to "haters/unfan/people wit diff opinions"... i just presumed that you would go there so i just beat ya there (I know josh wouldnt go there)
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...that was Chawlies bro... and people say i dont pay attention...
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You'll see, its not about protecting the island, its about protecting us from him!
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carry on. I suck.
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...MIB hates daddy so much cuz ge cant go to that party off island...
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Sorry had to go get a burger. Now I know this doesn't totally fit your criteria, but, since the things in the ALT are so different from what we know, I find it compelling because if a minor change(that I'm sorry I have FAITH they will show us), peoples lives are so different. Now, we don't why things are different or why it matters, but I find it interesting because over the course of 5 seasons I have gotten to know these characters and now they behave in a way that is very foreign and it makes me interested because I want to know how and why this has occurred. How's that?
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...is really lookin like it could be Kate n Sawyer... theres a lot of broken promises on the island
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Joss Whedon created a non-vampire sci-fi/fantasy show that ran for six seasons on a major network, by getting JJ Abrams and Darlton to front for him and pretend it was theirs. He even had Nathan Fillion play Kate's cop ex in a flashback.The Island is JOSS!
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...i understand that... and i have faith the show will answer questions and tie things up, but im only interested in the island and the characters on it cuz there is shit goin on... but if Des has a ep, im sure i would care then... and really, i dont care for precrash stories cept for Des... i have a bunch of chars i like but its mostly due to what they do on island... Sawyer as a conman not interestin as much as Sawyer on island... and yes i know flashes are juxposition
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...i cant wait for the finale... he does good endings
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I like the theory about the genie bottle...read the wikipedia page on genies (or Jinn...coincidence?)..some jinn resemble snakes (smokey?) Also, "the jinn occasionally assume human form to mislead and destroy their human victims." Jinn jinn often harass and even possess humans.
Marids, a jinn associated with open waters of the seas and oceans where it finds sanctuary, are often described as the most powerful type of jinn, having especially great powers. They are the most arrogant and proud as well. Like every jinn, they have free will yet could be compelled to perform chores. They also have the ability to grant wishes to mortals, but that usually requires battle, and according to some sources imprisonment, rituals, or just a great deal of flattery.
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I gotta go, but if anyone is in the Lansing, MI area tonight, come out to connexions, and watch some stand up!
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a lot of speculation has focused on the "candidates" solely as replacements for Jacob but what if "the rules" require that Smokey be replaced as well? I'm wondering if some of the candidates are Smokey possibilities and that Smokey (with Sawyer and maybe Ben) is looking for _his_ replacement.
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It seems to me a lot of people are assuming the monster needs to be replaced too. I don't know why though.
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And from Smokey's point of view, Jacob doesn't need to be replaced either. I'm starting to lean towards the theory that neither one of them is replaced, the Island sinks and the 815 people end up in the LA X reality none the wiser.If nothing else, it's a handy way of preventing anyone else from messing with LOST in the future. If the Island's gone and noone remembers it, how could they do a sequel? LA X Ben mentioning the Dharma Initiative complicates that, but still,if the Island itself is gone, where would they set a sequel?
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Whatever Smokey's point of view, we've seen a lot of evidence of a concerted effort to find a replacement for Jacob. Not so with MIB. Maybe it won't happen in any way shape or form but that's the INTENT, as far as the show has demonstrated
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...show bout Walt... but then again, we know they wont have a show wit a black lead...
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Thought the Sawyer off Island piece was another bit of redundancy unless its a bit of dressing around them somehow bringing all the characters together in that timeline for a specific reason.
I have looked with a raised eyebrow at some of the comments on what a great actor Terry is as Locke/Non Locke. Didn't see it myself until last night when he was talking about his mother, that was done with real emotion. Similarly I thought Evangeline was very good which shows what these guys can do when they are given realistic dialogue with meaning to it.
Some of the bad old ways showed up : Lets traipse over to a clearing and set up another camp to waste a few days, "I know you have questions but...". Oh Please pack that in.
No amount of string music and a mean squint will make Claire look like anything but a scowly cabbage patch doll...doesn't work for me.
Miles and James as the new Tenspeed and Brownshoe does...nice pairing , interesting idea.
Non Locke just going over and wiping out Widmore - well that would be too easy wouldn't it.
All in all okay but with still some of the same old frustrations evident in the stories execution. Would suggest you could have sliced 20 minutes off that show last night with no detriment.
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We know that the circle of ash can prevent smokey from passing (we've seen this in Season 6) and the cabin was surrounded by a circle of the same ash. (As seen in 3x20)
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I thought that when Bens mother appeared to him, that she must have been Smokey. (Just as all the dead apparitions are.)
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All of Richard Alpert's sideFlash Otherworld scenes will be clips from Suddenly Susan, Cane and The Tick.
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This has been repeatedly said many times in interviews with the producers but maybe some of you guys didn’t know this. The flash sideways are only supposed to go on until about 2/3 of the way through this season. Then the rest of the episodes are straight up real time with no interruptions. Maybe knowing this makes them more digestible. I think if I didn’t know this I would be annoyed with them as well.
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So we had Locke quoting the last line of Some Like It Hot during his talk to Kate about needing an enemy to keep you going and Sawyer watching a Little House on the Prairie episode extolling the virtue of not living life based on what you think will happen in the future and Locke telling Kate about his crazy mother and growing pains and warning Aaron may face the same future. Again we have rhyming scenes with Sawyer pulling a gun on Zoe and her having re-enforcements waiting, and Prison Break woman pulling a gun on Sawyer who has re-enforcements waiting, both times putting a stop to a deception early. Widmore looks a lot like Locke I noticed. Locke's plan after killing Jacob continues to seem bizarre. Last time I didn't get why he sent Claire into the temple or how he knew Dogen would send Sayid back out to him or how he knew Sayid would go back in with a message he could have given Claire in the first place or how he knew Sayid would kill Dogen. Did he have contingencies but got really lucky just winging it? Similarly this week his machinations with Sawyer are less than straightforward if only because it's not clear how he can be anticipating what happens when his messenger gets there. Sawyer arrives just in time to find these dead bodies and somebody hiding waiting to pretend that they were on Ajira but with muscle hiding in the bushes waiting to pounce? Well how did they know Sawyer was coming and to spring this little ruse which doesn't even work? And how did Locke know they would be there to infiltrate? Not important but it doesn't really make much sense I don't think. Unless Widmore and Locke are in cahoots and there's a bigger deception going on. But I'm not sure I think Widmore and Locke are in cahoots. But it does make sense for there to be more to this little song and dance than meets the eye, because rhyming it with the side-back plot seems a bit contrived unless it's to emphasise more of a meaning - the Ben episode had contrivances and echoes but it all serviced the character work and the forward motion of the island story and themes. This not so much. The "cliff hanger" is made particularly silly by the serious music and the stern looks on their faces over what is after all a very daft revelation. But thanks for telling us what a character is thinking for a change. We really should be thankful for that when it happens and not moan about it too much. But I guess the submarine has now been telegraphed to be a bit ominous. Oh dear. Sawyer says to Widmore not to touch anyone on his boat. So will he sacrifice others to go the plane? Don't get on the plane Kate! But that music and those looks... Don't get on the submarine Kate! In fact Kate, if I were you, I'd listen to what Locke was telling you and think about doing nothing and staying on the island. Locke kinda makes more sense than that Jacob fella. I think Sawyer might be making a mistake going against him. Miles got a fair bit to do last week and was prominent again this week. It's still mysterious what Miles is on the island for. But he's coming back into sight a bit it seems.
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Is not a dead man. Says when you haven't got anything having an enemy to hate can keep you going. Can give people what they want. Does what he says. Says Jacob tells people the island needs protecting from him but Jacob is wrong. Just wants to go home but will kill or be killed. But will protect those who listen to him. Found a loophole. Disagrees with Jacob about human nature and progress. Has visions of a bloody blonde ghost boy who warns him about the rules. Suggests Jacob needs replacing. Candidates have three options, to protect, to leave, or to do nothing. Once lost someone he cared about. A long time ago did not look like he looks now. Had a crazy mother and some growing pains which he is still trying to work through. This could have been avoided if "things had been different". But nobody's perfect. What else?
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Way back the first time we saw Jacob's cabin (where Locke noticed the ring of ash) Doc Jensen, in his follow-up column, latched on to the Jinn theory. One of his best columns, IMHO.
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If it's Miles or Frank, it's Frank because someone's got to fly the plane (now that we 'know' it works) And Miles already speaks to dead people. So he's got one foot in already.
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New Island. New Cast. New Mysteries.
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So my Genie idea has credibility? Man it would be sweet if Kate became the new MIB and you could get stuck on the island with her and when you tire of her body be like, turn into Juliet, then turn into Charlotte, then turn into Anna Lucia cuz I want to Donkey Punch you....sign me up for like 300 years at least!
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Yes, I know, they did the sex while Jack and Ben watched like pervs. BUT, wasn't she wearing the dress when she left Hyrda Island on the rowboat with Sawyer? Or did she change while they were locked in the polar bear cages. Personally, I kind of wished Sawyer had gotten out a fish biscuit instead of found the dress. But seriously, how the hell did that dress get there, unless Kate got changed while they were prisoners but I'm 99.9999999% she didn't. Maybe another one of the island's unexplained mysteries.
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But with blue jeans: http://tinyurl.com/ycqkyhu and http://tinyurl.com/yehoml8 And she's changed her shirt by the episode...uh...Trisha Tanka Is Dead http://tinyurl.com/yevynw5 So she got changed and possibly threw the dress out in disgust. But how did it get back to Hyrda island? My guess? Smokey moved it and put it back in the cage just to make Sawyer feel sad. Muha-ha-ha-ha-ha, Smokey is teh evilz.
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I've wondered since the first season how the Black Rock got in the middle of the jungle. Did the Island move and reappear where the ship was sailing? Or has the Island been submerged before?
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1. With Non-Locke's "crazy mother" speech to Kate, was he talking as Locke or as Smokey? Does the MIB have a crazy mother or did Locke?
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Did Jacob or MIB touch Widmore? How does Widmore know to be on a sub heading to the Island after the incident set off the alt. reality? I guess we shall see.
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Once upon a time the Tv god named Thejayjay, who created the smash hit's CollegeGirl and CollegeGirl:Spy, was tripping his brains out and had an idea and he wrote it down. Later he looked at what he wrote and it was "Do a show about a bunch of people in a trap and have flashbacks showing how they were connected before they got in the trap, then flash forwards to what happens after they get out of the trap and then flash-sideways to what would have happened if they never got in the trap. And he said "Huh?"and showed it to his friends who were known collectively as The Darlton to see what they could make out of it and they asked "What's the trap?" and he said "Um, they are plane crash survivors on a deserted pacific island, but with no cannibalism?"So they asked "No natives?" and he said "Dudes, it's the 21st century, we can't have natives with spears and bones in their noses like some '40s cannibal cartoon." and then he added "But what if there are natives, but they're not natives, and they're not survivors of Other crashes... they're just Others." So that got written down.So they looked in their notebooks of old rejected ideas and said "What if the show on the island is the show, but all the back, forward and side flashes are like other different shows the same characters were, will be or could have been in? Like, you know, doctor shows and stuff." and Thejayjay said "Wow. Do that."And they did and it was good and it was a hit and they made a lot of money.And it occurred to them that when the hit show was canceled they'd stop making all that money and have to leave Hawaii, so they began to figure out how to stretch the show out so the idea for a three part story would last longer. They examined those old Terrytoon musical cartoons with repeated segments and the Hanna Barbera cartoons where characters keep running past the same background over and over and they said "What if we show the same things from different angles or from the points of views of different characters, and what if whenever anything happens, first the characters have to march through the jungle for a while to get to wherever whatever is going to happen happens." So they did that.Eventually because the pace was slowed down with all the marching, the ratings began to fall. The Darlton worried that maybe the show would end before they got to tell the whole story, which would hurt DVD dales. So they made a deal with the networth: Let us decide when the show ends; give us an end date and three shortened seasons, making six seasons total. The networth agreed.The show ran it's course and ended and some of the shows questions and mysteries were not clearly answered which angered some fans but kept even more intrigued.Flashforward five years to 2015 and the fifth anniversary "Complete Lost DVD" release - being the fifth different Complete Lost boxed set in five years, because the Darlton never had anything nearly as successful again and they'd used up all the ideas in their notebooks. So they called this "The Answers tour" and had notebooks full of silly answers to every possible question about the show.But they didn't expect someone to ask not about the show but about the making of the show."The Darlton, sirs, you had a popular hit show, you were getting rich, you could have kept it going on and on like Gunsmoke or Bonanza, instead you decided to end it in three years and then agreed to shorten those three seasons. Why did you agree to shorten Lost like that?"And the Darlton laughed and laughed. "You have it backwards. We had Thejayjay's outline for a three arc story. Could have been a three chapter book or a connected series of three mini-series. We managed to sell it as a three year TV series, but it was a hit so the networth wanted more. So we stretched and padded and filled, but by the end of the third year we'd used up two years worth of ideas. We had one years worth of plot and ideas left, and one final trick up our sleeves: the flash sideways. Whatever that meant. We worked and worked and figured out how to take that one year's worth of material and make two years worth of shows out of it. And then we conned the networth into letting us spend three years in Hawaii making those two years worth of shows. That was the best idea we had since the time we took that one episode about Kate and Sawyer in a bear cage and turned it into a six part mini-arc. Think about it, doing two years worth of work, taking three years to do it, that was less work for us, less work for the actors and directors, we all got to stay in Hawaii for an extra year and we also got to hire back everyone that used to be on the show but got fired if they wanted the paycheck. And get this, half that last season was set in LA California but we still got to fly people out to Hawaii to film it! How weird is that? So you say potato, we say Potemkin. You say we shortened the series, it looks to us more like we stretched it out.So, doesn't anybody have any more questions about the Dharma Institute Nanobyte Defense Shield Fence Grid?
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Jeeeeesus. Like a bunch of old ladies.....bitch,bitch,bitch,bitch. I'm fascinated. Crazy trip for a TV show. I get it though, most people are spoon-fed and lack any kind of imagination. LOST rules!
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Yes?James with kill Sayid, then Miles will interrogate him.
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Thanks for asking good questions. You’ve earned my attention. Here’s what I think.
1. I asked this as well. It’s a very important question. At first I thought he was talking about Locke, but then he said “before I looked like this” which makes me think he’s referring to MiB. So I’m not sure, would love to know. Lostpedia assumes it is MiB’s mom.
2. Probably just to stress how crazy Claire is right now.
3. I doubt Jacob is now Sayid.
Anyone who wants to discuss the show, I’d love to talk to them. But I won’t participate in arguing with trolls or other nonsense.
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Geez Louise! ... and no more flash-sideways please!
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Nobody ever will.
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Or even the flash forwards, probably
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No one ever will twice.
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When Locke tells Sawyer he disagrees with Jacob that the island needs protection from HIM - MIB that is - or just in general. i thought it was in general.
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I predict at the end of the second arc the H-Bomb in Widmore private toilet explodes and sinks the island, killing everyone on it including MIB, BIW and Jacob, bringing into creation the LAX sideflash reality. The final third season of the series will be ALL LA X sideflashes, the New Reality the entire series was leading p to.
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I think he's talking about me.
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but BIW - BoyInWhite, is MIB - ManInBlack - upside down. Sorta. If you squint.
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"Don't you EVER compare Lost to Heroes here again."And then some smartass asked him to explain how The Darlton dividing the final season of Lost into three separate arcs is different than the way. Heroes has divided it's seasons up into Chapters all along.But he had an excellent response that did not involve name calling and made perfect sense.
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1. The woman Sawyer was banging at the very beginning of the ep was pretty hot.2. I would rather have watched a full hour of the exciting new buddy-cop TV series starring James "Sawyer" Ford and Miles Straume.That actually looked like it had potential and could probably give CASTLE a run for its money...
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So he's not Sayid anymore?
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Anyone want to take a stab at answering this? Why did Dogen, who said he was a twentieth century businessman, walk around in a Samurai outfit this season?
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She's one of the many Prison Break actors to appear on Lost. Two other notables were Jacob's Nemesis (the first version we saw in their beach chat) and Jacob himself. and now the chick. I'm telling you, there's SOME sort of hidden connection between Prison Break and Lost, we just have to find it.
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Not really, but the producers and ABC say so. Everything the producers/stars/ABC say about the show is suspect.
Example "A third of the way through the final season, the two time lines will be "solidified into one" and "will be very linear – no more flashbacks, nothing." Half way through, still having them.
"Lost producers consider any single frame from the first episodes to be too revealing. According to Lindelof, "even a single scene from the show would basically tip what it is we're doing this year."" Really?
Half way through the final season pretty much nothing has been answered, and a handful of additional questions have been added to the mix.
There is a disconnect in the way that different people defend LOST. Some people say much of the minutia is unimportant. In this thread it is brought up how it is all important.
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Lol, I was thinking the same thing when Sawyer mentioned escaping in the sub. I can only imagine Sawyer and Kate sitting at the controls of the sub.Sawyer: "Freckles, time for us to blow this joint, let's go" *looks at controls* "Freckles, you know how to pilot a submarine, right?"Kate: "I got nothing" *awkward blank stairs at each other* I assume they're gonna have to hold the sub pilot hostage, it's the only way I can see it working. As for the flash sideways alternate timeline...I just don't get it completely. Wouldn't the bomb alter history at the point from which the bomb exploded? Wouldn't they make the same decisions as before....right up to the point when they get on the plane? The only difference decisions should be AFTER they don't end up crashing on the Island. And the Island clearly existed and was sunk, we saw it under water.Maybe unLocke is granting their wishes, maybe they can choose to leave this other time line and return to the Island. They made different life choices in the other sideways universe, but why? Unless some form of what they were on the Island, merged with their twins when they were born again. I say born again only because why in the hell would they do things differently if the slate is wiped clean, you would probably do the same damn things, right? You'd only change things if you had some inkling that you've been down that road and don't want to choose it again. Is it possible that Juliet opened a door that they can only go through when they are finished with the Island and not before? Either that is now the only exit off the Island for them, or they can maybe choose once they are finished with the Jacob/Unlocke arc to start over in alternate universe, live on the Island, or go back to what live they once had. I'm throwing it out there, maybe something...anything, will stick. Damn, while I may be wrong, at least the writers make it interesting enough to keep me watching. The show had it's flaws, and I make fun of them, but I still love it! Oh, and does anyone else think UnLocke won't kill Ilana because she might have knowledge from Jacob on how to kill/stop him. I think he's not sure what she knows, and he'll try and get someone else to kill her, like he did with Ben.
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Jesus Christ how long do you think it would take to answer every question? I think they could do it one show. If they wanted to. Anyway the idea that "pretty much nothing has been answered" is just ridiculous. I swear some of you people would be happier skipping the whole season and just having a televised powerpoint presentation for the finale.
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It's not about answering every question. It's about answering the major ones, or at least start with some of them. This season we have the definitive Flocke is Smokey, and we got that Dogen had a baseball because he killed his son drinking and driving. If this was a season of Lost and not the last one I would say it has been a good season. The way this season has gone so far a good solution is becoming more doubtful. The producers say the Alt universe is key to the whole Lost story, but they have changed their minds about so many things (or lied, take your pic) in the past, can you really trust anything they say?
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at this point. Seriously, that's all I can wonder half the time I'm watching the show. But it's satisfying to see things finally being placed out on the table. There really is a lot of time to work with before season's end, and plenty of room for big events and drama to unfold. With Widmore back, I wonder what role Desmond will play before the end.I'll admit, I was down on Lost earlier in the season, but have liked what I've seen the past two weeks. Certainly there can be no all-satisfying ending at this point, but there can be several episodes of great TV right up until the end. Here's looking forward to next week's episode.
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I can't think of a better career for someone who talks to dead people - his clearance rate would be phenomenal!
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That's what I wanna know. "Hey buddy, I just ran your credit card. It's cool, bro!" Like, really?
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Freudian slip? Lol!!
Well...in all fairness to "The Darlton"...Working in beautiful Hawaii was wonderful for the actors & crew...but Darlton? Not so much. They worked out of the Disney lot in LA the majority of the time with the writers. Very rarely did they need to be standing on the beach just off camera watching the waves crash and sipping Mai Tais. They got very little benefit of LOST's vacation-like setting.
The bottom line is...J.J. & Darlton risked it ALL in giving us one of the most intense & 'movie-like' pilots ever committed to the small screen. Hell....its cost eventually got the top executive at ABC who greenlighted the show it fired.
Yes...they only had a thin 3 arc story mapped out...much of it not even completed when they started filming...but the one thing they NEVER counted on was...SUCCESS.
The "D" of Darlton has said time & time again that LOST NOT getting cancelled after the 1st season was a blessing and a curse. "Wow, they like us!! But, shit...now we have to SUSTAIN this".
I don't think they ever thought about their little 3 act play getting to be told all the way through. But WE & ABC demanded more!
It was likely somewhere in the middle of writing Season 2 that they all looked at each other and came to the same conclusion: "We're Fucked". If they told their lil story the way they had it mapped out, they WOULD be done in 3 or 4 seasons. But they also knew that THAT isn't how television works. As long as your show is popular...the NETWORK...or THE AUDIENCE controls how long it lasts. You think ABC wants LOST to end this season? Hell No! Do WE? Hell No!
So, the agreement they made with ABC was their only way out of the 'vamping' they painted themselves into. It's like telling a comedian who only has one joke to fill for a half an hour. He's gonna take his sweet ass time in telling that joke...and that's exactly where Darlton didn't WANT to be.
So...I'm guessing your wondering if last night's episode "Recon" which only progressed the 'island' storyline ahead a few inches...with the promise that they would be then camping for a coupla DAYS on that beach beween the islands pretty much amounts to Darlton being up to their old 'vamping' tricks again.
I disagree. They have NO REASON to vamp now. Last night was about getting all the chess pieces in place for the final show down...not unlike they did in the back HALF of the questionable Season 3...which started with a decidedly 'vamping' whimper. The rollercoaster that followed was some of the best shit on TV.
I think our expectations are SO HIGH for every NEW episode we expect mountains to be moved each time out. But that goes against everything LOST has always been...a slow burn. They are crankin up the rollercoaster again...and this time the ride is going to be like a runaway locomotive Smokey crashing through the jungle...and we won't catch our breaths until late July.
At least we hope that's the case. I have faith that's the way it's gonna play out. Darlton is too smart to ask ABC for an end date and then drop a steaming turd on our doorstep...or the networth's doorstep either.
5 years from now...in your hypothetical scenario...I don't think Darlton will have ANY regrets about how LOST finished off...and they damn sure won't be apologizing for it in the least.
You (not YOU specifically, Vikki) will either LOVE the finale...or you'll HATE it. But, in the end...it's THEIR story...and they are gonna tell it the way, and at a pace, they see fit. If they do their job right...all this 'vamping talk will be a moot point.
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This is a 2007 version. It doesn't just 'stop' Smokey. It KILLS Smokey.
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in the alt world. He may not have even been conceived on the island...with Papa Chang workin at the museum & all.
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"Is this Going to Be on the Test?"There's plenty of Time for Answers. But first we're going to have an Alpert episode, a Kwons episode, and a Hurley episode. That still leaves 6 episodes left which should put them at their 2/3 point to stop the flash sideways? Everything is moving smoothly as planned.
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during his time as security head. I mean, that seems to be a pretty bold statement and I don't think he's planning on taking the crew hostage. I don't see the problem folks seem to have with Widmore appearing near Jack and Co. then skipping off to Hydra Island...I got the impression that Widmore could not return to the Island, possibly because of Smokey or Jacob, neither of which he knows the current status of. So, it makes sense that he would land on the adjacent island and try to fortify his position.
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Which would translate into Jacob, of course. Is this, perhaps, what is responsible for killing the Ajira folks? Or did Widmore kill them upon arrival? I know we have not seen Jacob turn into smoke or have knowledge of his ability to impersonate like the MIB, but one thing sticks out in my mind: Jack following Christian to water and the Caves. Now, MIB appears to resent the presence of refugees on the Island; he seems pretty pissed when he sees the Black Rock from the beach. From what we know now, which is admitedly thin, it would seem more likely that Jacob would help the Losties than MIB. And if Jacob shares the ability to imitate life, it would stand to reason that he have a smoke form as well. It would also go a ways to rationalizing some of the more tame smoke appearences vs. the violent ones.
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Well Locke did have a crazy Mother. So theres actually three chioces in my mind.
1. MIB was talking about his own Mother.
2. MIB knew Lockes history and was using it as a lie. (Sawyer said in "The Long Con" the best lie is one thats partially true).
3. My crazy theory that maybe since MIB is stuck in Locke's form, Locke's personality is slowly starting to take over MIB. So MIB is mixing up thier histories. (I came up with this when MIB/Locke said "You can't tell me what I can't do" in the Locke flash episode on the island).
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...how the fuck did Sawyer know that Zoe was lying?!?!
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But that's just me.
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My point is that there is plenty of time to answer every question. Whether they do or not to your satisfaction is an open issue but you need to relax, there are 10 or so hours left. I disagree that all we found out was that the smoke monster is a person. Sort of. We've got the whole candidate thing, basically we know why those people are on the island. To replace Jacob. That's a huge part of the mystery right there.
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Here's a tip for those lamenting what the writers or producers say: Don't pay attention to it. I could give a fuck what they say, personally.
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Mar 17, 2010 10:41:34 PM CDT
Lost Whiners are wondering what the heck is going on with their
by tom_bombadil
I am wondering what the heck is going on with this show. I hope it gets on track before the last episode. I liked the last episode "Dr. Linus". This one had a crummy ending.
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...he's dead, or because he wants to get off the island just as badly as esau wants to get off the island?
But, we've seen Jacob off the island!
so how come jacob could leave the island but esau couldn't?
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he da man. Don't forget that MIB wanted to kill Jacob. Because Jacob wouldn't leave, it looks like.
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I too am of the opinion that the "crazy mother" talk was coming from MIB's perspective and not Locke's. So I'm looking for a mythological character with a "crazy mother." Post if you find one.
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...even though Jughead blew up in 1977, it effected events that happened earlier than 1977 that the Losties had a hand in. Like Daniel in 1954, and so forth.
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Jeff Jensen theorized that MIB/Locke killed the Ajira people and he sent Sawyer over there to give him a message of see what I did to these people, I can do it to all your friends, the Others and even the kids if you don't fall in line with me.
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Mar 17, 2010 10:53:57 PM CDT
Something occured to me while reading Jeff Jensen's article
by paburrows
that he didn't mention. What if Zoe happens to be the non-Other woman that Charles Widmore got kicked off the island for? (that is if it really wasn't Eloise)
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Maybe because they created an entire new universe, not just branching off from the one they inhabit.
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MIB told Ben to meet him on the other island, so he probably did go clean house. I do believe he was being straight up with Ben...he let him loose and left the gun he promised. Ben's apology/Ilana's reaction were both events that he did not forsee; I think he wanted Ben. And why not? He did more for MIB than anyone has for quite some time.
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Mar 17, 2010 11:01:53 PM CDT
The biblical Esau would think his mom was a bit nutty.
by royston lodge
If we stick to the biblical assumptions about "Jacob" and "Esau", one COULD interpret that Esau thought his mother Rebeccah was crazy because she so clearly favoured Jacob over Esau. After all, Rebeccah went so far as to deceive Isaac (Jacob and Esau's father) so that Jacob would be crowned as Isaac's heir instead of Esau, the older brother.
Since Rebeccah had no "rational" reason for favouring Jacob (she was responding to prophecy that God favoured Jacob).
Interesting side note: legend has it that Isaac went blind from the black smoke from the incense that Esau burned.
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is having a similar background to Jacob or MIB so that the candidate's personality doesn't drive them insane when inhabited. I know MIB is not in Locke's actual body but he obviously cant change, and I'll be damned if he's not acting like Locke at certain times. I am torn between whether MIB is speaking about himself or if he is bleeding into Locke somehow. I know this season has been all about echoing the past but having MIB shout Locke's signature quote, word for word, is pretty suspicious. Next Jacob will be talking about how his father never thought he was good enough.
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Previously on Lost Talkback a Mr. R. Lodge asked How did Sawyer know Zoe was lying.The think that threw people was that he pulled a gun on her after she mentioned Guam and her boyfriend. False clue, red herring. What really gave her away was her heavy handed approach to information gathering earlier in the conversation. Oh by the way, this was all mentioned before, I'm not trying to take credit, and I don't want to scroll up and reread 400 posts to find it. I do intend to rewatch the episode but haven't yet, so this will be a very loose paraphrase.And James Ford, being an experienced con man, kinda can tell when he's being lied to. So, Roy, see what she did wrong there?
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A few episodes back it was reveled that Lock had a decent relationship w/ his father. Last night in James alt we was still looking for "Sawyer" errrr John's father, who supposedly conned James' daddy for all his money. Then the daddy went and killed his mother and shot himself. Wait, he slept w/ Jimmys mom too if memory serves. Am I wrong about that supposed truth or what? Bytheway, I still say that this show is the biggest cocktease ever put on film.
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Networth was not a typo - it appeared in my little humorous essay four (4) times. Pretty deliberate. Thanx for (4) your extensive reply to my little japery.Many people here seem to think that the skeletal plot of Lost could have been told a lot faster - some seem to think more efficiently. I don't see how efficient or condensed storytelling really belongs on TV. You come up with a plot, then you fill - not with filler, but with interesting, entertaining details. It really is the journey, not the destination. Otherwise all biographies would just be a birth scene and a deathbed scene - forget all that stuff in between, that's just what happened.Not sure three seasons of 16 could have been told as effectively in two seasons of 24. Same number of episodes but more rushed and would have blown the budget.But, yes, "networth" was deliberate, and you made the same point I was making: when the show became a hit, some decisions were made that resulted in a few, well, lets call them "status quo" episodes, in which things ended pretty much where they began with no significant forward motion on any of the sub-plots. Which is, after all, the way most TV shows are done. (It takes House a whole year to hire some new doctors and then one of them commits suicide.)Lots of dramas that could be "told" in 3 or 4 years stall with an eye on getting up to that magic 100th episode which seems to be the minimum for a good syndication package.I still rank the stand-alone "Expose" (the Island history seen from Nikki and Paolo's uninterested POV) as one of my favorite episodes. EC horror Comics twist ending. I loved the twist in Yi Jeon and can't believe how many people didn't get it, or like it. But you can't say that one had nothing happen since Sun and Jin's baby was finally born. The 6-part Bear Cage mini-arc probably seemed stretched, though I prefer to think of it as a gift for the BDSM fans.Honestly, though, the infamous "Why does the guy played by an actor who was on Party of Five (5) have a Party of Five tattoo?" episode didn't do much for me. But, then, neither did any of the episodes about the guy who was in the hatch. To (2) each his own.Anyway, between the shows smash hit status in season one (1), the scheduling mess in season two with all the breaks and mid-season reruns, the choice t do a 6-part mini-season and then, after a hiatus, an uninterrupted season and the decision to give the show an end date and do three 2/3rds seasons instead of two full seasons - all of those choices were made with at least one eye on the profit margins, the bottom line and, as I put it deliberately, the networth.
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Every time I screw up a paragraph break stuff gets dropped. Remind me to proofread some time.The point I was getting to was a non-accurately quoted recap of Zoe's conversation with Sawyer:"Hello, my name is Zoe. Do you like my glasses which were fashionable in 2007? I am the last survivor of that Ajira airplane there. Look at all the dead bodies. Wow, what a smell, huh. HOW DID YOU GET HERE? Did you come to this island on ANOTHER AIRPLANE? ARE THERE PEOPLE ON THE OTHER ISLAND? HOW MANY> DO THEY HAVE GUNS? Do they all have guns? HOW MANY GUNS DO THEY HAVE? I like to talk about guns and how many guns people have with my boyfriend, who I was going to see in Guam when my AJIRA aircraft landed on this smaller of two islands. We sure were lucky thee was a UFO Landing Strip here. Do you know who built it? They did a very nice job of breaking up the rocks here."See, Roy, James could tell she way lying because he knows darn well he did a piss poor job of breaking up those darn rocks.
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The Box Tops, Big Star & his very own Replacements song.And way cooler than Geronimo Jackson.
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Sacks humorously posted three long lists of guesses of the four letter word with one vowel not an a or e that the Island is.Several of his guesses contained two vowels - the same one vowel repeated, which is a variant Poet MacF would defend, so I won't label that an error.However, several of his guesses were words that had already been guessed, making him or her a plagiarist.And one of h/h guesses was the one that spoilers have confirmed as the correct interpretation, and Sacky neglected to include the word "spoiler" written in all caps in the subject line of the post containing the correct word, in violation of strict netiquette rules.Sorry, Rosa, you lose one internet.
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because it was comfy."Here's we want you to be in charge of a huge stone temple with an indoor grotto. But lose the banker suit." "Can I wear pyjamas and a burgandy velvet smoking jacket like Hugh Hefner?" "Uhhmm, no. How about a samurai outfit?" "Hmm, kinky Okay."
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Question: How did Widmore fit Desmond, Penny, Walt, Yi Jeon, Aaron, Dave, and "Archie" the Hydrogen-Bomb he's going to use to sink the island with, all in his locked private bathroom on the submarine?Answer: he took out the bidet and replaced it with the Magic Box.
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Vision of the black horse from Kate's flashback: Black Horse.Smugglers plane full of Virgin Mary statues filled with heroin: White "Horse".Symmetry [poom] Lost.Black man on a white horse: {poom} Old Spice.
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For me:
Who/what is Jacob and Smokey ?
I think once this one is answered, some answers to other questions will come out of it all at the same time. Probably won't know this one until the last few eps.
What is with the alt timeline, and what does the future hold for our Losties ?
Clearly a last episode answer.
What is the island ? what is its history ?
As I said all the above could easily be answered in the last ep, what other major questions do you have ?
Next tier of questions for me;
Why is Aaron and Walt special ?
What causes the whispers ?
Is there more significance to the numbers, than just being the numbers for the final 6 candidates ?
What is Richard Alpert's history (am sure next week will answer that, though he has said and implied enough already)
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am fine with not getting a 100% answer on what is the island, we will hear an analogy, an explanation of its purpose, but will never hear something like "Its the garden of eden, its Atlantis etc"
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Is that a bunch of them, like all this candidate stuff, could have been revealed two years ago and it would have helped the show seem more interesting and the stakes higher.
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Maybe he was originally a samurai and later settled down with a wife and kid and became a businessman. When asked by Jacob to come to the island he just decided to return to his original dress?
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has anyone put "womb" out there for the four letter word?
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could the scene with Sawyer and the woman have been easier to understand without hitting the viewer over the head? Look, this is a woman who's future is on the top of a pile of bodies, one that should just be in shock or ecstatic to be "rescued". She looks like the least likely person to survive a Smokey incident. Yet within five seconds she is playing Twenty questions. Unless she is some Bourne agent or survivalist, this should be a red flag. Come on folks...
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I was just eplying to Roysten about the same topic a bit up above.Then I went and re-viewed the episode.Now, I'll have to call on anyone with a better memory than mine - by which I mean, pretty much anyone. When the 06-1 was on the Ajira flight and Jack was talking to CAptain Lapidus and Frank noticed Hurley and Sayid and Sun on the plane, was his line "I guess we're not going to Guam"?I was wondering if Zoe telling Ford that she was going to Guam to meet her boyfriend contradicted what James knew after NonLocke told hi "That's the plane your friends came back to the island on." but if the plane really was meant to go to Guam then that wasn't the giveaway.Actually, from Watching Leverage, I think it's a hard trick to play a character who's supposed to be convincingly lying, so that the audience knows they're lying even before the person they're lying to does.The actress playing Zoe was not bad. She did all the tells - not making eye contact while talking, inappropriate smiling - did you notice that? She was talking about how everyone she was with was killed while she was out fetching wood, and she was half-smiling over the horrific details. Of course her inquiries about how many people, how many guns were blatant, but even more, she specifically asked Ford "Are you the Helicopter Pilot?" Zoe who works for Widmore would know there was a helicopter pilot - Lapidus was the chopper pilot Widore hired to go on the freighter, after all - but Zoe the Ajira crash survivor whose friends were killed - who she was pretending to be - had no way of knowing the Ajira pilot was also a helicopter pilot. So I think that line was the real giveaway.
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I'm surprised no one has mentioned this. Back in Season 2 when Jin and Eko were searching for Michael they hid when they heard footsteps. A group of Others were walking by; one of them was a child with a teddy bear. We saw that stuffed bear again, Wednesday. The kid. Not a big answer, but a mini mystery solved.
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Again, props to Terry O'Quinn. People are asking - and at one blog, quizzing - about NonLocke/MIB's conversation about his mommy issues with Kate. Was he talking about his own mother, accessing Locke's memories of his mother, or using his telepathic abilities to read Kate's mind and tell her something she would believe. Probably a combination. But I definitely suspect 3, that he was searching for something she'd believe and sympathize with.After all, in addition to being a shape shifter who can take the shape of dead people (though reportedly he can no longer change shape other than back and forth between the Locke appearance and the Smoke Monster since Jacob died, according to Ilana - and why exactly do we trust her?), the smoke monster has always been a telepath capable of forming the image of dead fathers, long lost brothers, horses, cats, imaginary friends, whatever people want or need to see. Watch that scene again and NonLocke does a lot of eye-rolling and hesitating and "umm"ing - looked to me like whatever he was telling Kate, he was pretty much winging it and making it up right there on the spot.Actually, the show made a brilliant move in choosing to embody the Smoke Monster and the Man In Black in Terry O'Quinn, playing off our five year emotional investment in Locke's arc to make THE MONSTER seem charming and sympathetic. Trustworthy, even.Except every time he smiles or says "I promise..." I just want to yell "Run!"
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Wait. I meant Tuesday.
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They got to do a scene with NonLocke/MIB. Cindy asks about the Others at the Temple, NonLocke/MIB reports that they're dead, Zack starts crying and NL/MIB talks to them to reassure them that as long as they're with him, they'll be okay. Probably the best Cindy, Zack and Emma scene so far.
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The Children are sitting on the beach. Zack is cooking a pan of red herring over a campfire. Emma declines the offer to partake. They squint out at the ocean and see a ship on the horizon.Emma: "Do you have any idea how much I hate you?"
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Probably the most fucked-up theory I read in awhile is on Doc Jansen's EW blog and even though I didn't read the 8 page monster he posted, the final page had him throwing out the theory that Smokey is Faraday. Just some fucked up time-travel/dying-on-a-magic-island-while-you're-still-in-mother's-womb angry spirit. Which, in turn, he somehow becomes Smokey. And so Smokey is Farady. POOM! LOST!
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Is anyone trusting James in either universe?Sure, they do the trick of letting us think hes still a conman, then revealing he's a cop, then mixing it up so he's a cop with a deadly secret.Meanwhile, back on the Island we have James Ford with Four different agendas.Tells NonLocke/MIB "You promised to get me off this island, a deal's a deal."Makes a deal with Widmore to get "his people" off the island safely and shakes on it."Tell's kate he's playing them against each other, "let them fight it out" and he plans to steal the submarine.Conveniently neglects to mention to her that they can't leave until Jin and Sun are reunited and safe, because of a promise he made to Jin.James is a sociopath who just tells whoever he's with whatever he thinks they want to hear. NonLocke/MIB may be right about him: "Best liar I've ever met."
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Does anyone think the flash-sideways are NOT all happening in the SAME timeline?
1) If James Ford is a cop in LA-X, why does he help Kate escape?
2) If Locke is on good terms with his father, then is his father really a con-man that once went by the name of Sawyer?
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"Because Kate TOOK my baby!!!"What did the troll do when it looked like it might rain? He SAVED his umbrella.What did the troll do when he wanted to be sure to get enough nutrition? He RESCUED a multiple vitamin.What did the troll do when he found a deposit bag full of cash on the ground near the ATM machine? Nothing, because he assumed it's not possible to take something that someone else ABANDONED.What did the troll say when he lost an argument? "You're only right because you're using the definition of the words you're using!" And then he did a bunch of name-calling and put random words in allcaps.
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Think he has a sense of loyalty to certain people, once they have proved themselves to him, like everyone he doesn't want to be alone, i.e. friends with Jin and Hurley. Friends with benefit in Kate.
In the alt universe he doesn't want to be alone either he has Miles, and he opend up to him as he didn't want to lose him, he also wanted some more ginger action (Charlotte - he could do much better).
On the island, in his own little group he could care less what happened to everyone else. Con Smokey, con Widmore, probably would con Jack if it came to it.
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1. James let Kate in Handcuffs on the elevator go at the airport because he didn]t want it known that he was returning from a mission to Australia to find and kill Anthony Cooper.Not known, but back in the Substitute talkback when people were discussing Helen wanting to invite Locke's dad to the wedding, I pointed out that maybe he IS still a conman and maybe Locke was in a wheelchair because good old dad did steal his kidney and pushed him out a window, but because Jacob never touched Locke after the fall, he suffered from drain bamage and developed shock or amnesia and conveniently forgot that Cooper is a bad guy. Also, in this TB I asked if Officer Ford and sidekick Straume would arrest Cooper at the Locke wedding before or after James kills Killer Jarrah and then Miles interrogates him. Still not sure if that will be before or after Sayid kills Jin. And still wondering when Ana Lucia and/or her mother the police captain will be popping up, since that would seem to be the whole point of the James as Cop storyline.Mp>But you know the really cool thing about the James/Miles buddy cop show? When the back-up charged into the room and ford told the woman to "Drop the Gun," she actually dropped the gun. On the bed. She really dropped it. People told to drop guns on TV cop shows NEVER drop the gun. Hell, on this episode of Lost Nerdyboy with Rifle told Sawyer to drop his gun, and what did he do? Drop it? No. He handed it to Zoe. But on the "Ghostyboy and the Grifter" cop show, bad guys actually drop their guns. (All credit due to the two talkbackers higher up who came up with their own variants of the Ghostyboy and Grifter buddy cop show.) "He reads the thoughts of the recently dead, he lies to women for the greater good: they're cops."And this time it's personal.<p.On ice.
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Not a bad line of thinking, but Linus and Locke as teachers in both Locke's ep and Linus's ep might go against that.
I am going along with the theory that we are seeing a new reality, a reincarnated reality in the "flash sideways", but maybe you are right we are seeing multiple new realities.
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Why did Charlotte look all horse faced ON the island?
If you remember correctly...she didn't look so bad in the desert with the polar bear carcas either...However...the simple answer to your question is...
MAKE UP!!
When she arrived on the island, her first order of business was to land in a stream! Thus...all of her make up was removed. To keep continuity week to week...none was ever applied thereafter...not that she had time or the means to.
Add to it she spent a lot of time not feeling well...then having serious nosebleeds...then dying...didn't help her out much either.
Juxtaposed...In the alt Sawyer world...she looked like she just fell out of a Revlon commercial.
Or...Maybe it's Maybelline?
Regardless...those that are bashing Rebecca Mader's looks would probably KILL to have a girlfriend HALF as hot as she is.
Just sayin...with her fair complextion and red hair...being filmed in natural light with zero make up is NOT the most forgiving of circumstances. Long story short?...
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"He reads the thoughts of the recently dead, he lies to women for the greater good: they're cops."
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Kate (thinks): "I wonder if we should take Jack. Nahhh, he had his chance... screw him."
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Ricardus reveals the the Island is a big Cork and he burns it to rub around his eyes.Or maybe it's Maybelline?
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They put on a ton a make-up, get their hair done, start drinking early and wear a backless evening gown made out of old disco mirror balls.Man, she was really desperate to get laid, wasn't she?
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Mar 18, 2010 4:50:07 AM CDT
Charlotte - definetely had a change of underwear in her handbag
by miyamoto_musashi
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Right before Claire sits on the log to talk to Sayid. Straight on lingering gratuitous ass shot of her bending over butt to camera. Awesome.Glad to be getting more Kate in wrong sized bra and too tight shrunken t-shirt action figure. Glad to be getting more CrazyClaimedClaire dirty girl. Always love seeing a bit more Cindy. Girl in Officer Ford's hotel room was a looker. And it's obvious why everyone's talking about Glamour Charlotte.But I totally liked Dirty Zoe. Something about a woman in glasses, even if they are TinaPalin glasses. She has a good frame and excellent angles. I like the way her light scatters.There was mention of 30 Rock doing a Lost gag. Anyone think adding the Tina Fey looklike character was a payback/shoutout?Zoe's so hot - and so deceptive and filthy - I'm kinda sorry that she's a redshirt and Smokey's gonna whack her. But at least she got the Dogen/Lennon treatment of having her name mentioned half a dozen times in one episode so we'd know who she is.
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Can he speak with the dead ?
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I admit I'm not that observant about subtle clues involving wardrobe unless it's Kate showing up in that too tight T that Miles rightly describes as "Wow".Look how long it took me to notice that Hurley was currently a RedShirt.But during this week's ReView I did notice a long lingering closeup on NonLocke's black combat fatigue cargo pants.Then I noticed in the final scene Sawyer wearing a black shirt.Anyone else think that once MIB realizes the best liar he ever met is trying to play him, that he's going to kill Sawyer and take his shirt?By the end of the series; "The Locke In Black".
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Oddly, during Miles first flashback app (with the moving pictures and the ghostbuster dustbuster) I thought he was conning or hoaxing that old lady. So two con men would make a great buddy cop team - and also explain Miles extreme trust issues. "We're supposed to trust each other! So I ran your credit card!"I realize my flippant theories are usually wrong and it's hard to tell if I'm ever serious, but I've been saying all along that there is no Jacob in the LA X verse.(My theory, in short: the event that sinks the island kills Jacob and MIB, their deaths cause them to cease to exist in both directions along the timeline so Jacob never touched anyone in the New Reality, explaining the pre-Incident changes to the LA X Verse.Just a theory and no doubt full of holes, but it's the one I'm sticking with... for now.)
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Also in Widmores private locked bathroom on the sub: The Tunesian Polar Bear Skeleton in a dead man's shoes, and a gallon of Dharma [tm] ranch dressing.
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tho assuming it actually is CORK, that could be as simple as.. it floats!
(unlike most islands)
so I'm thinkin The Wid planted some kind of TRACKING DEVICE on that airplane, right? THAT'S how he not only found the Fantasy Island, but also found THE PLANE! THE PLANE!
-btw you can lease an Akula II class Russian nuclear submarine for a mere $650 mil down - admittedly, those aren't exactly LONG, at just over 114m (that's 375 feet, for all you backward, non SI ppl) and somehow there's space for 23 less crewmembers than the Akula I - but hey a complement of 50 is still a sizeable force in this game...
and if ALT-Miles does NOT have the "gift" then that is just fucking BULLSHIT!! They're supposed to be the same PEOPLE, just their lives TURN OUT slightly different coz of the Jacob factor! NOT they're the same people, only they're not the fucking same at all because they got different mothers of some shit!
in case ALT-Ben's conversation with ALT-Roger was too subtle, THE DHARMA INITIATIVE STILL HAPPENED, AND ALL THOSE PEOPLE WERE STILL ON THE ISLAND IN ALT-VERSE - AND THEN LEFT BEFORE IT SANK, BUT AFTER THEY BUILT NEW-OTHERTON ON IT -
everyone's saying Tina Fey, Cat even said Tina Palin but all I saw was Laura Roslin..
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I mean aside from Jacob's name, what's the connection? It's not Jacob and Esau.
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Out of all the viable options in this shitshow. That one sort of rang out as being in the right ballpark. If its not Cork, I'm going the simple route, saying this is a fucking silly game and misdirection, and its going to up being fucking ROCK. The Island is a Rock. And That's all. Maybe it really doesnt need protecting? (I don't believe that, but it would make me laugh out loud)
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Actually, people make eye contact when lying more than they do when telling the truth. They keep eye contact so they can gauge if the other person believes them, and also because they're so self-conscious about lying that they make creepy laser-lock on the eyes, which tends to have the opposite effect of what they want.
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Just cuz I like dirty words.
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maybe thats what pornstars play instead of rock, paper scissors.
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...the greatest game. Ever.
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That should have been the title of the episode.
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Just for the hell of it.
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One of the books featured in the show includes references to the story of Jacob and Esau.
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Cuz...like...I'm not proud of myself....but...
I'VE BEEN WATCHING JIMMY FALLON!!!
I know...I know...It's wrong...and I need help! But...I...I was only watching...for the...the GUESTS!! Yeah...that's it...I was watching for the guests!!
But...While I was watching the GUESTS...some comedy snuck in. Fallon's parody of LOST called LATE.
Instead of 48 passengers on a plane and an island...12 passengers on an elevator crash on a mysterious deserted floor at 30 Rock.
Oh dear God...I've said too much!! Just YouTube it...prolly on Hulu...somewhere!! Fuck!! I need help!
Ok...I'm off to my "I Watch Oprah" support group! Toodles!! -
It dragged. Slowly. For way too long.
I don't get the love for Fallon's Lost parody.
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Yeah I was loving his article until the last two paragraphs when he tried to shoehorn that bit in. I don't get how that could be.
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Maybe there is a rare and spectacular red herring in the locked sub door, and since there's a chubby goon on the sub, Widmore is protecting the herring so he can have it for dinner the next day. Tubby Guy With Shotgun could be a midnight binge-eater, so if anyone wants their food safe, it goes in the padlocked door. He's the guy that eats all the peanut butter in the break room.
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Mar 18, 2010 12:13:48 PM CDT
Cheif Brody, your Charlotte explanation is too rational.
by royston lodge
I want a LOST-style explanation.
Pockets of energy, black smoke, time displacement, polar bears, etc, and how they all suppress sluttishness in red-headed archaeologists.
I do not welcome common sense answers. This is LOST, dagnabbit! -
...a literal red herring on this show. At least once, before the final episode.
I would laugh, and laugh, and laugh.
They NEED to include a tin of Dharma brand herring with the next food drop. Hurley opens it up and says, "hey, why's this fish red?" -
Jacob was cooking a Red Herring on the beach scene in last seasons finale.
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Anyone read Vozzek's recap of Recon? He posits a theory about what happens to people when they get "taken." He was talking about how Locke scolded Claire like a child when she tried to kill Kate and he theorizes that the sickness "strips away the logical inhibitions an adult would have, leaving you with radically childlike tendencies." Given the amount of parental and fertility issues on this show this sounds like a hell of a great theory to me.
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I read that this morning and it was one of those theories that was too good to be right. You know the real explanation is gonna pale in comparison to that. Not only would it be cool but it would fit perfectly with all the acting choices that the claimed have been making.
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My three year old tries to stab me at least twice a day. Kids are vicious.
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The theory is that it takes away your adult INHIBITIONS, not that it turns you INTO a child. Basically you don't know right from wrong.
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That's cool, but I mean an actual textual (ie the text of the show) connection. There are references upon references m;pp-nn
l//a
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nd they may or may not be hints which may or may not be direct hints. I don't think there's any reason to think those guys are LITERALLY bible characters and frankly it may partially be because I hope it's not the case.
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No. There's really nothing I can do to prove it but, you can watch me on youtube. I'm a real person. And I'm starting to think lostboy is just a construct. The TB given sentience by sheer force of douchebaggery.
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I disagree, but whatever. Just throwing it out there because I found it interesting.
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Somebody please tell these fucks to get their heads out of their asses please.
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Just to back up Hobo, the theory isn't that it would devolve you mentally until you were no smarter than a child, it would cause you to process emotion in the same way a child does. So one minute you're holding hands, the next it's knifey time to the throat. No offense to Hobo, but neither he or I are going to do it justice. If your interested I'll grab the url on the next post.
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Fair point. But, he rarely if ever speaks to me. It would be a pretty shitty bit, in my opinion. Plus, I don't really do alternative comedy. More of a story teller.
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Instead of the url here is the paragraph in question--"Sayid are you alright?" Hell no he's not alright. Claire's not alright either, and if Kate had brought her A-game she wouldn't be ass-down at knifepoint struggling to keep from getting an unwanted tracheotomy. Flocke steps in and tosses Claire off like a sack of potatoes, but not before reprimanding her like he's scolding a little girl.
And so this got me thinking... what if Claire is a little girl? Not in the physical sense of course, but in a mental sense maybe her mind got reset to when she was a kid. Think about that. She's prone to quick bouts of anger, then shows remorse later on by hugging Kate and crying. She holds Kate's hand... she plays with dolls... in essence, she's acting a lot like a scared, angry little girl.
Is this what the sickness reduces you to? Does it strip away the logical inhibitions an adult would have, leaving you with radically childlike tendencies? Did Vozzek just solve the sickness??? I vote 'hell yes' to all three.
Later on, Claire does seem legitimately sorry, as a child would after throwing a tantrum. Either the sickness itself isn't constant - allowing for moments of clarity and remembrance - or it's a twisted version of childhood. I'm leaning toward the latter, as it would make the sickness far more interesting and a lot less 'evil'.
If this is the case, the MIB is gonna have his hands full when Sayid decides he wants to play on the swingset... and delivers an unholy asskicking to anyone that tells him he can't." -
You should check out Vozzek's re-caps. He's a really insightful guy. Absolutely always pick up something I missed.
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He has some great theories and he's pretty funny, but he can also throw stuff out that makes no sense. I actually read his book. A lot of his crazier theories seem based on production errors on the show for instance. Like his insistance that the characters speak through the voices of other charcaters from time to time and that this has some huge significance. Yeah. Ok.
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Yeah, I was wondering if they were lifting something from Carnivale there too. The avatars all had crazy mothers. It's a long shot, but perhaps that means Aaron will be a replacement for Jacob or Smokey. After Smokey got his boon for killing Jacob, perhaps that means the next avatar will automatically be activated. Beings of light and dark, father issues, Jacob sort or letting Smokey kill him, it does seem like this show may have been inspired by Carnivale. Does that make Locke the usher and Kate the Omega? God I miss Carnivale. I love Lost, but Carnivale is the better show. A slow burn show, with a deeper mythology, that never inspired impatience or made you feel like you were getting jerked around.
I'm enjoying this season, but not the resolution. It seems likely that these flashes are where they'll end up and I'm not interested in that outcome. As far as I'm concerned, there no difference between changing history and suicide. That's why I thought the a-bomb idea was retarded to begin with. Stories that end with the undoing of everything that came before it are piss poor stories. And wanting to get off the magical tropical paradise to go live out a banal life in L.A. is right up there with the whiny characters on Heroes wishing they didn't have super powers and could just be normal. -
Mar 18, 2010 2:06:24 PM CDT
Never claimed they are the actual biblical Jacob & Esau.
by royston lodge
Just thinkin' that the Jacob & Esau story might be providing the writers with some thematic elements.
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Please tell me you see the irony of saying a show that was never finished is better than LOST which isn't finished.
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Great post about Palin. I hadn't een those remarks. Gold.
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a) The incidents she was referring to took place in the 1960s, when she was an infant.
b) At the time, the family lived in Skagway, Alaska. The closest hospital was in Whitehorse, Yukon. It had nothing to do with insurance, and everything to do with distance.
c) In the 1960s, Canada did not have full government health care. Canada's current health system wasn't enacted until 1982. As such, her father would have had to pay full price for the family's health care.
d) If the Palin family was to seek medical care in Canada today, they would still have to pay full price. Canada's government healthcare doesn't apply to foreigners. -
... was that the quality of healthcare in Canada was arguably superior in the 1960s, before the government health care scam was inflicted upon us by the Trudeau government way back in '82.
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Obviously, I'm making assumptions over how it will finish and most people here seem to be thinking along similar lines. I would love for them to make lemonade out of this flash-sideways BS, but I don't see how that's possible. I only care about the reality that I've been invested in for the past six years. Any notion of a reset is disappointing. It's Bobby Ewing in the shower or St. Elsewhere in a snowglobe all over again. (probably)
As for Carnivale being better, despite being unfinished, it's because it never made me feel like I was getting jerked around and was obviously a fleshed out story from the beginning ('cept for the fate of Lodz, which was HBO's doing). Lost simple doesn't have enough time left to cover all that it needs to in anything less than a rushed manner. It's still busy introducing new mysteries and characters instead. This season is mostly about answering the mysteries that have been set up in this season. Characters we loved aren't even themselves anymore (Locke, Sayid, Claire and everyone if the flashes are real). I'm not bored by it, it's sort of good, but it's just not feeling like a resolution to the show I got into. It's one of my favorite shows, but it's not coherent enough to make it on my best of all time list. -
I think Jack Bauer's grandfather would have a word with you - seeing as he helped usher in Canadian medicare in 1966.
Sure the current Canada Health Act wasn't passed until 1984 - 1982 was our most recent Charter(constitution). Still, the presence of free health care in Canada goes back to the 60s - not sure about for Palin's case specifically though. -
Interesting: Perhaps just before he died from the gunshot wound, he traveled away from his body, like Desmond can and became "lost", he couldn't hold onto his constant in his mind and therefore eventually became the disembodied smoke monster. Though I don't think he ever saw his mother as crazy..did he? (other than she shot him)....maybe the "cork" holds him in from destroying all the timelines of earth.
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While Tommy Douglas is indeed credited as the "father" of Canada's health care system, the system instituted by his government when he was the premier of Saskatchewan was vastly different than the current federal system which was instituted by the Liberal government in 1982.
Douglas would most probably be appalled by what Canada's health system has become. He repeatedly stated that it was not his intention for the government to take over the health care system completely. Canada, he say, was a free country and doctors should not be forced by law to work for the government.
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and back into the total obscurity she crawled out of. Every time she opens her mouth she displays what an absolute moron she is.
Politics aside...the fact that she actually got two steps away from the big chair gives me the fuckin piss shivers.
She got where she was on her good looks and perky, gung ho spirit. And God bless her for that...but now...for the love of Benji...just fuckin disappear please.
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Perhaps the Lost creators asked the cast what kind of show they would like to be in post-Lost...and these really are just pilots, per se. The high school politics drama, the buddy cop show, but with a mysterious past, the wacky on the run escaped prisoner teamed up with the pregnant sidekick who almost goes into labor every week, and the feel good family drama about a divorced father and his distant but gifted son. NBC needs something to fill the 10::00 slots. Maybe they will pick won up.
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Nothign new here, then.
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I though she just wrote "left" and "right" on the proper hands.
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Mar 18, 2010 3:43:36 PM CDT
Yes. All Americans have to pay for health care in Canada.
by royston lodge
Here's a page from Citizenship & Immigration Canada:
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/faq/visit/visit-faq05.asp (remove spaces as necessary).
More history lesson: Between 1957 and 1982, the deal was that the federal government would pay for 50% of a province's hospital costs, as long as it met with certain criteria. At the time, only two provinces (Saskatchewan and Alberta) provided government-funded hospital visits, and the other provinces signed on by 1961. The deal was extended to non-hospital health costs in 1966, but still the final responsibility for regulating the system in each province fell to the provincial governments, which varied greatly in how they balanced public vs. private health care. If a Canadian didn't want to use the government system, in most provinces they were free to seek medical care privately.
It wasn't until 1982 that the federal government stepped in and made it virtually illegal for any Canadian to pay for their own medical care. It's the government system, or nothing (and in too many cases, the government system turns out to be such a long wait that it might as well be nothing).
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Right but that's classic grass is always greener thinking. "The girlfriend I broke up with years ago was the best because she blah blah blah, but my current girlfriend sucks because blah blah blah." Of course the show that never ended was better. It never had a chance to spend all your money and sleep with your brother. In the same way that when Family Guy was only on Adult Swim it was greatest show in the history of time but now that it's back on FOX there's this huge Seth McFarlane backlash. It always seems better when we decide how it would have ended. How do you know Season 3 of Carnivale wouldn't have sucked ass, maybe they wanted to take it in a direction you hated. If you want to make this debate, use a show that actually has an end. Oh, yeah and come back in 9 episodes when they've actually finished.
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Mar 18, 2010 3:55:16 PM CDT
My final comment on "Little Sarah's Yukon Adventure"...
by royston lodge
Here's a decent article from a Canadian newspaper that provides much better background information on the matter than I can:
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To be serviced by a Canadian health care provider, you need to provide proof that you're eligible by showing your government health card.
You don't just walk in to a hospital and say, "gimme gimme gimme," unless you're, like, a homeless person or sumthin'.
The hospital needs to know which government department to send the bill, hence the health card.
In the 1960s, it would have been virtually impossible for an American family to walk in to a hospital in the Yukon and get free service. If they couldn't produce identification that proved they were entitled to government-funded health care, they would have had to pay for it themselves. -
"Palin's father said Monday they had little choice [but to go to Canada on some occasions], given their location in Skagway. 'There was no road out of [where they were living] at that time,' said retired teacher Chuck Heath ... 'The ferry schedule was very erratic. We had no doctor in Skagway. The plane schedule was very erratic. The winds dictated whether the planes could come in or not.'"
And this: "And even though they [Canadians] have socialized medicine, I still had to pay the bill, being an American citizen." - Chuck Heath -
"The media thinks Palin’s the clownier one; she thinks it’s them."Uh, it's her.
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Please can we stop. Yes government run health care is awful and everyone hates it. Yes people on the left want to eat your babies and kill your grandmother. But government run health care is also perfect and the people who have it make sweet sweet love to it every night. The right just wants money and would kill a hobo if Aetna told them too. Okay now everyone sucks, no one is right. Can we stop now, and talk about something less inflammatory? Like Jesus.
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Christ, my punctuation is awful. Here's hoping my job doesn't involve writing in any way. What's that? That's 90% of my job? Shit, I'm in trouble.
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That was funny. And, it's not that I don't like debate, it's just that we've reached the point in this one where there is soooooo much misinformation on both sides that you really can't discuss. I know how I feel, but I also realize how little control I have. In the end this will happen or not regardless of the actual will of the people. Because no one is listening any more. It's just noise.
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"Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!"
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This is a lostback, after all...
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Holy shit I may have just figure something huge out. Since trolls do nothing but incite and derail and FOX NEWS has cornered the market on inflammatory misinformation, and lostboytexass is kinda king troll around here and Glenn Beck has turned into king douche over at FOX, lostboytexass is Glenn Beck. It would also explain his rampant homophobia.
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In a sense, Carnivale did have an end...of the first chapter. It was suppose to be a six year show broken up into three parts and we saw the end of the first part as it set the stage for the next parts. In that two years, they moved the story along further than Lost has in six. And each season had only have the episodes. We had most of the answers to any questions by the finale, but we still felt let down because we wanted to see what would happen next, now that everyone has some idea of who/what they are. And it's not as if I'm operating off some faded nostalgic memory here, I just recently rewatched the show as I was rewatched S5 of Lost. It's like comparing steak to McDonalds.
People often defend Lost by saying that if they reveal the answer to the mysteries, then the show would be over. I think you have to reveal everything before the end, so that you can deal with the characters reactions to the reveal. I want the characters to understand by now what's happening to them, so they can make informed decisions rather than just flail about recklessly, like Jack always does. Or like everyone just mindlessly following Smokey around. In fact, I don't even care about the answers so much as the stories that could have come from their earlier reveal.
And yes, I know there are 9 episodes left. But the thing is, there are so many loose ends out there, that even if they answer them all to everyone's satisfaction, it'll seem insanely rushed compared to everything that came before it. And there can be nothing in the next nine that could possibly make me care are these flashes. The island is the only thing that made these people interesting. I suspect that next week's ep will end up being the best of the remaining batch, including the finale, since Richard is the only one who can advance the story at this point. -
...to try and emulate Canada's 1957 Hospital Insurance and Diagnostic Services Act. It provided for cost-sharing between the federal government and the provincial governments for hospital costs. It didn't outlaw private care, and it didn't restrict individual citizens, and it didn't represent a "governent takeover". And it wouldn't require a 2,500+ page health care bill, since it was really a very simple piece of legislation.
But stay away from trying to emulate the 1984 Canada Health Act. That was (and still is) a disaster.
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The Island stuff just shows us how they got to the ending which we are still watching. Granted, it's a HUGE ending screen-time-wise, but it's better than just the montage we'll prob. see in the last episode (hopefully not accompanied by "Mad World"). Like someone posted above all we really don't know are: 1) The Island's story /purpose /origin /nature or lack thereof 2) Who Jacob and MIB (and maybe the smoke monster if it's [they're] not really the "non-Locke) are and what the fuck they are doing and 3)If there is a higher power and work and what/who it is.
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BTW...Who's got $$$ on an appearance by Mr. Hanso before it's all said and done?
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Mar 18, 2010 4:39:57 PM CDT
"moved the story along further than Lost has in six"
by thunderbolt ross
I gives a shit
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Am I mistaken that the "smoke monster" cannot traverse water? If he can't, how did he kill all those people on the other island next to the Ajira plane? Sorry in advance if it's a no-brainer.
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think "chunnel"
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" [POOM] ", about which I've bitten my tongue for a looong time, is just plain gay, trite, and corny. It's like this talkbacks's evil cousin of ROTFLMAO or LOL, etc. When I see it it makes me feel embarrassed and uncomfortable. Please just stop doing it all who do. Just a request, like anything else in life all good things have something annoying so I'll keep reading. But really...it's like a kid with a fake machine gun making gun sounds...but you're adults.
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...in both timelines.
Widmore sort of represents The Others on the mainland, while Alvar represents The Dharma Initiative.
The way I see it, in Reality#2 Widmore and Hanso should both be trying to figure out what the hell happened to the island. Hell, maybe they're even working together!
In Reality#1, on the other hand, the way I see it Widmore and Hanso should be competing to see which one can find the island first. Alvar is trying to rebuild the Dharma Initiative after wresting control back from Mittlewerk. Maybe in the final episode The Dharma Initiative 2.0 shows up and starts rebuilding Dharmaville. -
Mar 18, 2010 4:53:38 PM CDT
True nerds were more angry when the Force WAS explained.
by royston lodge
Fuckin' Midichlorians...
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It's so rarely used in any way but humorously, lighten the fuck up
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[POOM]That's the second time in my life I've typed that.[POOM]That's the third. Hey how fucking ridiculous is it to make a fucking paragraph break on this site. It's so 19th century.
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I'VE never complained about unanswered questions!
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Yep Lost has been engaging for the most part and its had some really engaging episodes - on the whole I like it.
I can live with certain unanswered questions that some folk might think are crucial - Walts super powers - Libby in the mental hospital - whats gones gone.
What I can't be doing with is the lack of a coherent rationale for many of the actions of key parties such as the Others and Ben Linus and Richard ( Whose story I hope will solve much of this.) Because up to now these folk, who were key instigators of much of the running around and fighting for 2.5 seasons have been proven to know fuck all and to be acting as they did for no good reason.
The characters have gone around and around a development circle and I don't really think they have progressed beyond what anyone could have seen of them from Season 2. So the argument about it being all about character development is a load of old ponies.
Frankly Deadwood delivered more in its short run than Lost has and the acting and character development was vastly superior.
Lost is a decent entertaining show but it wouldn't make my top 10 in a month of Sundays. It still has a chance to surprise me by being better than I expected in how it wraps itself up but I sort of doubt it.
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Pretty sure there's no tunnel to Hydra. Alex i think said so which is why they had to take the boat out of there, and Sawyer had to row on Tuesday. SO does anyone agree the Smoke Monster couldn't have killed those people?
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I never quite bought the Oceanic 6 going back to the Island - with no real plan of what they were going to do when they got back- but hey ho
However one of the key drivers of them going back wwas Ben - why?. He certainly doesn't seem to be a man with a plan does he ?. Lets hope that there is a decent rationale for that but I don't see anyone asking what is a fairly crucial question- its these critical factors between characters having to move from position A to position B that make no sense and which do need explanation. -
There's no tunnel to the Hydra. So, there must be:
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3) Another "Smoke Monster" evidenced by Widmore's sonic fence on Hydra; or
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And Smokey couldn't have just rowed across in the boat he showed Sawyer ? Or are you assuming Smokey isn't UnLocke?
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People who start their fucking posts with "Sorry, but...".
I'm not kidding. Someone does it in almost every talkback. The people that do it aren't sorry. They're not apologizing for anything. The feigned pity(?) that the user is trying to convey is just asinine.I just figured if we were going to bitch about completely irrelevant bullshit, I'd voice my pet peeve. Ok, back to L O S T.
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Thanks for making me squirm. Dickhead. There's lots of [POOMS]in these talkbacks. I didn't get your bit about paragraph breaks, though. You're so gay to defend POOMers!
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I don't know! Could be, we really have no proof either way.
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If UnLocke really was made up of a creature that could transform itself into anything it chooses, surely it would choose not to have those awful tits.
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What with not bandaging up Johns titties and with putting a set of glasses on Zoe that only needed a plastic nose and mustache to look completely fake, the wardrobe department really covered themselves in glory this episode.
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You're wrong and gay. I was sorry because I wanted to keep my opinion to myself but I couldn't help myself and didn't want to hurt anyone's feelings. Good try. Wait, no, piss poor try, sorry....sorry. Sorry for being sorry! Sorry for your dickishness, and gayness and stupidity! (Wait, no, not sorry for that...not my fault. In any event it's polite if you are new to apologize up front. Sorry!
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sure I guess he don't like technology and all, but still...
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actor Naveen Andrews was quoted as saying he's now playing Sayid as still the same person "but without a soul" - now maybe if you wanna get all depp and philosophical about it, that's not all that simple an explanation, but "soul" as used in this context is pretty much synonymous with "conscience" or even "adult inhibitions" if you're willing to do your stretches... -
The set decorators need a twatting as well - Claires "baby" looks like something that would be perfectly at home on Sesame street- thast supposed to be creepy ?
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He did not cross the temple moat as BigJugs McLocke.
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what do you suppose would happen if EVERYBODY sent an email to webmaster@aintitcool.com PLEADING for a fucking edit button?
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coz I reckon he DID cross that temple moat in Locke form
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but pretty sure. For some reasonon I remember he couldn't cross water as the Smoke Monster, so maybe this is strong evidence he is the (a) Smoke Monster. But I do remember him being outside the moat when Sayid came to kill him with the dagger...think he used tunnels to get to the temple...
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I think the funniest thing about that complaint is how fucking idiotic it is. "Oh teh answers aren't forthcoming casue the writers don't know what to do!" What do you think this is, fucking quantum physics? As if it's SO HARD to answer these retarded questions. A fucking monkey could do it. If a question is unanswered it's not because the writers couldn't think of one. My fucking pet rock could think of one for the love of god.
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Director: "Okay, Ms. Lily - Evangeline - In this next scene Kate's going to talk to Sayid. So we need you to enter from the right, stop here, turn your back to the camera and bend over and pick something up off the ground. So we can get a nice tight lingering shot at your nice tight ass in those nice tight jeans. Okay, bend over... and hold it... that's right, point your denim clad vagina straight at the camera."Evangeline Lily: "I'm sorry, but that felt a little exploitative. Was that scene really necessary to forward the plot or show my character development?"Director: "Look, E.L., they found you in a phone sex commercial and you've had five and a half years to try and show you can act. Now you have nine more episodes to prance around in that ridiculous super-bra and that painted on t-shirt to show you're still hot enough to do nude scenes in B-movies. Otherwise it's you, Portia Degeneres, Sarica Jessica Parkipah and the chick from Groundhogs Day competing for shampoo commercials."Evangeline Lily: "Oh screw this, I've been on a hit show for five and a half years, I've got money. As soon as this thing wraps I'm quitting acting for good."The late Paul Harvey: "And now you know... the rest of the story!"
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Three years agoBen Linus: "Jack, if you'll perform this surgery for me, I promise that you, Kate, Sawyer and Juliet can leave this island,"Ben, thinking to himself: "Heh heh heh, little does he know that when he was blindfolded we took him to the Little Island. Sure, I'll keep my promise and let him off THIS island."Three years laterNonLocke/MIB: "James, all I want is to go home, If you'll help me I promise I will get you off this island. but first, I need you to row this kayak or whatever it is over to that other island."1 minute later, NonLocke/MIB, thinks to self: "Okay, there, you're off the stinking island. Promise kept, Check that off my to do list. Sucka-a-ahhh!"[poom] Suckaaa.
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And with the passage of a new week once again the supplication arose "Let a time come that the haters may be fuct."But it was not to be, for the hater was not to know of the gesfikkening of woman and man. Not in the myriad positions of the missionary and the dog and the spoons that lie back to front and the reverse cowgirl, and of the many ways that woman may grant pleasure to a man: the birth canal and the cake-hole and that from whence the shite proceedeth, also too the palm of the clean hand and the palm of he unclean hand, and beneath the soles of the freshly oiled foot, or between the heavy hanging ripeness of the milky orbs, he shall not know of it.And even if so inclined, the comforts that a man giveth his fellow, whether of the oral cavity or the reach-around with hand clean or unclean, or where fudge is made, whether he giveth or take, these things too the hater shall know not of.For these many things and myriad are the things of Love,of which the hater knoweth not.And from beneath the dwelling of the parent, and from below the bridge, shall arise cries of "Mercy" from the unfuct haters. And these shall be mistaken for cries of "Merci," the Canadienne word for "Thank You". And no mercy shall be shown unto the haters, for mercy is a function of Goodness, of which also the hater knoweth not.And next week the hater shall not be fuct, and again the week after that and after that and for all the weeks of his life shall the hater go unfuct, for it is a function of Love and the hater knoweth not from whence it proceed.
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All the dead are Hydra agents killed when David Hasselhoff, Agent of SHIELD, attacked the island. Little did he realize that Baron Strucker, his facial scars healed by the Island's magnetic properties, escaped in his Hydra mini-sub disguised as Charles Widmore along with his insane daughter Madame TinaPalin. Just to be sure, Hasselhoff of SHIELD is going to have Hydra Island nuked from space. This will cause both islands to sink, creating the Lost LA X Ultimate Universe in which Hasselhof is replaced by Samuel L. Jackson, Agent of SHIELD.
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My Appy-polly-ologies: OR "A five letter word, two vowels, an A and an I."This TB got off to a bad start: the first 400 posts of so read like "what if they gave a talkback and almost nobody but the trolls showed up?"In spite of that, it had not sunk to the lowest depths an AICN tb can sink.Meanwhile, the new Lost character of Submarine Girl Zoe had already been identified and nicknamed here as TinaFeyGlasses and MILFGlasses. I, however, regret to admit that I was the first to call her TinaPalinGlasses. Oh the demons that five letter word with two vowels, an A and an I, unleashed. The next day I log in and discover an orgy of p*l*t*c*l caulk-sulking going on. I don't think I can shoulder the full blame for this, but I will accept my share of the burden. I am deeply sorry for dragging this talkback down to the level of a Coughlin's rant. Forgive me, and Merci.
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"beneath the soles of the freshly oiled foot"? Really? Kink-eee...
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You engage in coitus with a stone? Really?Kink-eee...
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...and then just stare in the mirror.
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and it really took u THAT long to come up with a...ummm....REPLY? good lord here we go AGAIN... Claire thinks Kate KIDNAPPED Aaron from her mmmk? so, she used the word TOOK. took is slang for KIDNAPPIN' son sheesh. u, being SUCH a intellectual, insist to debate semantics of the word TOOK. lets see if i can "dumb" this down for u...Vikki makes a sammmich and ABANDONS it in the hot sun---i see this and TAKE it from said hot sun and SAVE it to the refrigerator. Vikki comes back, and screams, u TOOK my sandwich from me SOB! i says-- why are u SO mad?? 'ol Vik says- because u TOOK my sammich without my permission! OH i says..u think i FORCEFULLY ABDUCTED ur sammie with harmful intents huh? YES cries Vikk...and for this u must DIE!! i says- i never TOOK anything from u i simply PLACED ur ABANDONED sammie in an area that was more conductive to the sammie's personal safety (u know with mayo and such). so AGAIN...no one TOOK Aarron honeypot sugarbugger! u say tomato i say ur an IDIOT...
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like i said in the first TB-- looks like everyone in the sideways is the opposite of themselves in the "original" timeline. everyone but Kate. kate still kills someone but, its not her stepdad. the "opposite" is that now she has a conscience because she went out of her way to help claire? because she's so "ruthless" in the sideways?? in the "original", she still went out of her way, to help the marshall try to survive by putting the oxygen mask on him when the plane broke apart. in both she helped someone she didnt know and would HINDER her escape. so how is she "opposite" now? hopefully (lol), thats why she DIES...she not really any diferent in EITHER reality... the show's getting the pieces in place brotha...
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Claire: If Kate took my baby I'll kill her.Me in talkback: Great, Claire will kill Kate for taking her baby.J2517: I don't know what the word take means, but Claire abandoned her baby and Sawyer rescued the baby. I have no idea how the baby got onto the helicopter, the raft, Penny's boat or the rescue plane, but no one "took" Aaron anywhere.Kate: "Claire, It was me, I took him, I took Aaron."(Claire tried to kill Kate, as predicted; NonLocke intervenes) NonLocke: "Why did you do that?"Claire: "Kate took my baby."Me again: there I hope that settles that, Kate says she took the baby, Claire says she took the baby, the dictionary says she took the baby, so stop arguing with the show itself.Still doesn't make you right. Kate took Aaron, Claire tried to kill her because of it, end of anecdote. It was a joke to begin with, you didn't "get" it, move along. As long as they keep painting that t-shirt onto her, I'm off the Kill Kate bandwagon anyway.
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I recall a lot of folks seemed upset in the What A Kate Does talkback about her driving around in a stolen cab. Makes sense, really, since it was bright yellow and had an ID number on it.On "Recon" Kate smashes into Officer Ford's car with a silver car. She was probably still driving around in a stolen car; any car she steals will be a stolen car, but at least it wasn't a stolen cab. Everybody happy now?
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TAKEN is as TOOKEN does...u are DENSE...and no im not happy...ur still a freaking IDIOT...there's ur name calling quota for the day. FUCK ME IN THE GOAT ASS OLD MAN...
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im just a TALKING GOAT!! HAVE GOOD MOSH PITTING!!!
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they didnt TOOK aaron-- they simply REMOVED him. they didnt TAKE him to the helicopter-- they simply PLACED him there. ahh dumass Vikki logic there turned on its head. FUCK U OLD MAN AND UR HICKORY STICK!!!
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I didn't "say" "Wow" - I was quoting what Miles said when he saw tight T-Shirt Kate action figure.Go play nice with your friends. Don't forget to kidnap your condoms.
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I love how you write the show terribly and then write it off as terrible."everyone in the sideways is the opposite of themselves in the "original" timeline." When did they say that? "so how is she "opposite" now?" You're right that would suck. But it would be your idea.
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When Claire used the word TAKE, she obviously meant:1. To get into one's possession by force, skill, or artifice.You know, cause she's an idiot.When Kate used the word TOOK, she most assuredly meant:10. To accept and place under one's care or keeping.And that's What Kate Did...Besides, does anyone besides Claire feel that Kate should have just LEFT Aaron in the jungle? I mean, Kate getting that fucking kid off the Island was clearly the RIGHT thing to do in that circumstance.Haven't seen it mentioned, but did anybody else enjoy seeing Claire get smacked right as she went into yet another one of her interminable "Ma Bayyby!" freak-outs?That slap really brought a smile to me face...
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I write the show terribly? i didnt say the writers wrote the show terribly...umm the sideways people ARE the opposite of themselves. JACKSIDEWAYS- has to be TOLD to save Chawlie instead of instinctively DOING it. KATESIDEWAYS-already explained. HURLEYSIDEWAYS- LUCKY and HAPPY. SAWYERSIDEWAYS- COP and not killing the guy in Sydney. BENSIDEWAYS- actual TEACHER/LEADER...has the best interest in his "students" and has LOVE and RESPECT from his DAD. LOCKESIDEWAYS- dad didnt PARALYZE him and people RESPECT and LISTEN to him. also, marring Helen. SAYIDSIDEWAYS- Nadia and him happy but, NOT TOGETHER. so JOSH-- tell me just how are the sideways people not OPPOSITE???
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I'm hoping that the Widmore arc redeems the end of the series.
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what the hell are YOU talking abooot? ummmm alrighty then...ill go all 2nd grade on u...at least i have friends to play with...thhhpppttt!!!
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now Vikki gonna pull out "her" webster's dictionary on u UMPIRE...watch out...
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is it worth getting into? ive heard both positive and negative things brotha...
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Those things are not the opposite. This would be opposite; Jack is a woman, Locke can walk, Kate doesn't annoy the shit out of me. The things you are talking about are changes, yes, some of them even big changes, but you just wrote, YOURSELF, that the characters are opposite in the ALT. And then you wrote that the writers aren't doing their job because Kate wasn't opposite. All I'm saying is that until the writers come out and say, "with the ALT stuff the hard and fast rule is that everyone is opposite", it doesn't make sense to criticize that point.
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Close Up Lu, sound of humming: "You're right, this IS boring.:camera pulls back to reveal that they've been drilling holes in a cat-post.From a work in progress.Y'know, folks, I've known a number of extremely nice people of lower than average intelligence. People who make serious mistakes and bad choices, but you know that they're really well intentioned.Kid up above quotes me as saying something. Sixteen (16) minutes later I explain that I didn't say it, I was quoting it, and he has no idea what I'm talking about. That's some attention span.Like I did say, I've known some really good non-smart people. If I thought the kid was faking being that stupid, I'd find it offensive. but he sure has me convinced.
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I would say that I liked 10 episodes from last year and loved tonights. I've heard that a number of people didn't really like the first ten that much, but Im reading reviews and they all seem to say that its improved a lot. So take of that what you will. There were actually lots of answers in tonights episode and the creators are promising around 3 answers per episode. So its not like the first few seasons of Lost with their answer one, give three more questions.
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might have to invest in the season 1 DVD.
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its alright really. i guess we'll look over our combined dumassesness. but, i will give u credit...u are a dumb fuck...no caps brotha...
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Mar 19, 2010 12:49:31 AM CDT
Sayid is απο, apo, "away, apart", στάσις, stasis, "stand", "stan
by macfaux
"When the disciple is united he will be filled with light, but if he is divided he will be filled with darkness."
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writers not doing their job??? man, ur taking some liberties. i said--ALL the alt characters are the opposite EXCEPT Kate. wasnt CRITICIZING ANYTHING!! thought it was wierd that Kate's alt story wasnt different. everyone else's IS. how can u not see that? all the characters have fundamentally POLAR OPPOSITE "alt flashbacks"...c'mon man...
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I LOVE LAMP TOO......
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OLD MAN!!! HAVE FUN AT THE RAGGUUE FESTIVAL!! CHA CHA CHA!!!
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do i need to break out LUNCH LADY LAND??? DAMNNNN.....
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as we speak...care to know?? ok ill tell u...so Jacob says..........what?? where did Cheif go???
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He is the darkness in the Moon. He makes men Lost. He is Zeitgeist. He is a magician. He can assume many forms. He is the Severity and Venom of God. His opponent is Michael. He is the 3rd name of the Demiurge. The serpent with the Lion face born of chains and fire...
...Born abomination from Sophia's desire to create offspring of her own without the Spirit. He flies through the air like a bird. He is accuser, seducer and destroyer. He is both good and evil. He has possessed Kings and caused Martyrdom. He is the guardian angel of Esau and a patron of the empire of Rome. He tempted Eve and stayed Abraham's hand. He caused Sarah's death and wrestled with Jacob... He wed Lilith. He was the Other God castrated and his wife was killed in order to prevent them from mating and thereby destroying the earth. He is the Slant Leviathan. He is one of the Seven Arch angels of Heaven and one of the Seven Princes of Hell ..and He is its gatekeeper. He is the Angel of Death. "This one," said Metatron, addressing Moses, "is Samael, who takes the soul away from man."
~Samael
Oh, yeah..AICN ..sci-fi ..He is from planet Ix'Blkykops Norg 9 and flies an inter dimensional spaceship with GorpFigger death ray guns. (Not 100% on that last one) -
Several talkbacks ago I joked that since I was not a Kate fan I thought it was great that Claire said she'd kill Kate if Kate took Aaron. someone came out of left field and claimed that Kate didn;t take Aaron. I reminded him that Kate and Jack actually had Aaron off the island and gave examples of Kate taking Aaron to various places. He argued that Claire abandoned Aaron and Sawyer rescued him from being abandoned, neither of which have anything to do with Aaron being taken off the island on the helicopter, being taken variously by Sawyer, Kate and Sun on the raft, on Penny's boat and on the plane to LA for the 06 press conference. Aaron did not go to any of those places by himself; he's a baby. He had to be taken there. The word taken does not mean kidnapped, saved or rescued, and Claire never used those words. She said she'd Kill Kate if Kate took Aaron.In the Claire Pit, Kate told Claire that the Others didn't take Aaron, that she took Aaron. She used the words "I took him." Then, as in the original joke, Claire tried to kill Kate for taking Aaron. When asked why she did it, she said, using these words, "Kate took Aaron."What am I not getting here? In what possible way did Kate not take Aaron, considering that both Kate and Claire say she did?Is this some variation on the Monty Python Argument Clinic sketch where no matter what I say someone is just going to contradict it no matter how wrong they are? Because I'm going to drop it here and ignore that person for the next nine weeks, even though he's going to continue putting my name in all-caps in his topic lines and calling me offensive names. I think I've shown these last five and a half years that I have a grasp of several different styles of humor. But this joke of just repeating the same incorrect thing over and over again no matter how many times you're corrected, that I just don't get. It wasn't funnny in the first talkback when Olivier Hague was doing it, and it's certainly not funny now.Yes, youngster, you think I'm an IDIOT, thanx for that insightful commentary. Now can anybody explain to me what his problem is?
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Going strictly by what's on the screen, not what's in anyone's head.1,) Lost classic; Con Man James Ford went to Australia looking for conman Anthony "Sawyer" Cooper and murdered the wrong man.Lost LA X: LA Cop James Ford went to Australia looking to murder Anthony Cooper. Returned, was willing to allow a handcuffed fugitive escape and lie to his partner in order to cover up the fact that he went to Australia.What scene on the show established that Officer Ford did not find and kill the wrong person while looking for Anthony Cooper?2.) Lost Classic: Con Man Anthony "Sawyer" Cooper is John Locke's biological father, evidence being that the kidney was a compatible match. He conned John Locke pushed him out of a window and Locke was touched by Jacob. Locke wound up in a wheelchair.Lost LA X: Officer Ford is looking for con-man Anthony "Sawyer" Cooper, who we will assume is John Locke's biological parent since we have not seen any evidence that the LA X reality characters have different parents. John Locke is in a wheel chair. Helen, Locke's fiance, wants to invite John's father to the wedding.NOTHNG
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Going strictly by what's on the screen, not what's in anyone's head.1,) Lost classic; Con Man James Ford went to Australia looking for conman Anthony "Sawyer" Cooper and murdered the wrong man.Lost LA X: LA Cop James Ford went to Australia looking to murder Anthony Cooper. Returned, was willing to allow a handcuffed fugitive escape and lie to his partner in order to cover up the fact that he went to Australia.What scene on the show established that Officer Ford did not find and kill the wrong person while looking for Anthony Cooper?2.) Lost Classic: Con Man Anthony "Sawyer" Cooper is John Locke's biological father, evidence being that the kidney was a compatible match. He conned John Locke pushed him out of a window and Locke was touched by Jacob. Locke wound up in a wheelchair.Lost LA X: Officer Ford is looking for con-man Anthony "Sawyer" Cooper, who we will assume is John Locke's biological parent since we have not seen any evidence that the LA X reality characters have different parents. John Locke is in a wheel chair. Helen, Locke's fiance, wants to invite John's father to the wedding.NOTHNG
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Going strictly by what's on the screen, not what's in anyone's head.1,) Lost classic; Con Man James Ford went to Australia looking for conman Anthony "Sawyer" Cooper and murdered the wrong man.Lost LA X: LA Cop James Ford went to Australia looking to murder Anthony Cooper. Returned, was willing to allow a handcuffed fugitive escape and lie to his partner in order to cover up the fact that he went to Australia.What scene on the show established that Officer Ford did not find and kill the wrong person while looking for Anthony Cooper?2.) Lost Classic: Con Man Anthony "Sawyer" Cooper is John Locke's biological father, evidence being that the kidney was a compatible match. He conned John Locke pushed him out of a window and Locke was touched by Jacob. Locke wound up in a wheelchair.Lost LA X: Officer Ford is looking for con-man Anthony "Sawyer" Cooper, who we will assume is John Locke's biological parent since we have not seen any evidence that the LA X reality characters have different parents. John Locke is in a wheel chair. Helen, Locke's fiance, wants to invite John's father to the wedding.NOTHNG
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Going strictly by what's on the screen, not what's in anyone's head.1,) Lost classic; Con Man James Ford went to Australia looking for conman Anthony "Sawyer" Cooper and murdered the wrong man.Lost LA X: LA Cop James Ford went to Australia looking to murder Anthony Cooper. Returned, was willing to allow a handcuffed fugitive escape and lie to his partner in order to cover up the fact that he went to Australia.What scene on the show established that Officer Ford did not find and kill the wrong person while looking for Anthony Cooper?2.) Lost Classic: Con Man Anthony "Sawyer" Cooper is John Locke's biological father, evidence being that the kidney was a compatible match. He conned John Locke pushed him out of a window and Locke was touched by Jacob. Locke wound up in a wheelchair.Lost LA X: Officer Ford is looking for con-man Anthony "Sawyer" Cooper, who we will assume is John Locke's biological parent since we have not seen any evidence that the LA X reality characters have different parents. John Locke is in a wheel chair. Helen, Locke's fiance, wants to invite John's father to the wedding.NOTHNG
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Going strictly by what's on the screen, not what's in anyone's head.1,) Lost classic; Con Man James Ford went to Australia looking for conman Anthony "Sawyer" Cooper and murdered the wrong man.Lost LA X: LA Cop James Ford went to Australia looking to murder Anthony Cooper. Returned, was willing to allow a handcuffed fugitive escape and lie to his partner in order to cover up the fact that he went to Australia.What scene on the show established that Officer Ford did not find and kill the wrong person while looking for Anthony Cooper?2.) Lost Classic: Con Man Anthony "Sawyer" Cooper is John Locke's biological father, evidence being that the kidney was a compatible match. He conned John Locke pushed him out of a window and Locke was touched by Jacob. Locke wound up in a wheelchair.Lost LA X: Officer Ford is looking for con-man Anthony "Sawyer" Cooper, who we will assume is John Locke's biological parent since we have not seen any evidence that the LA X reality characters have different parents. John Locke is in a wheel chair. Helen, Locke's fiance, wants to invite John's father to the wedding.NOTHNG
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Going strictly by what's on the screen, not what's in anyone's head.1,) Lost classic; Con Man James Ford went to Australia looking for conman Anthony "Sawyer" Cooper and murdered the wrong man.Lost LA X: LA Cop James Ford went to Australia looking to murder Anthony Cooper. Returned, was willing to allow a handcuffed fugitive escape and lie to his partner in order to cover up the fact that he went to Australia.What scene on the show established that Officer Ford did not find and kill the wrong person while looking for Anthony Cooper?2.) Lost Classic: Con Man Anthony "Sawyer" Cooper is John Locke's biological father, evidence being that the kidney was a compatible match. He conned John Locke pushed him out of a window and Locke was touched by Jacob. Locke wound up in a wheelchair.Lost LA X: Officer Ford is looking for con-man Anthony "Sawyer" Cooper, who we will assume is John Locke's biological parent since we have not seen any evidence that the LA X reality characters have different parents. John Locke is in a wheel chair. Helen, Locke's fiance, wants to invite John's father to the wedding.NOTHNG
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Ether that or watch them for free on ABC.com or theres also other places on-line to find them.
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Mar 19, 2010 2:12:55 AM CDT
god...Oliver Hague?? really?? WOW..just admit ur wrong honey...
by jay2517
and all things are forgiven. kinda makes me feel bad FOR feeling bad that u dont have dvr. so all this arguing was because u were JOKING? hmmm ok. think ur RETCONNING because ur see now that ur wrong but, its ok suggarpants. im a nice 35 years young and COOL with the 9 week hiatus. BUUUT...if u display IDIOT TENDENCIES i will call u out darlin'....do u "just get that" brotha?
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ill have too look into it then. plus, Fringe sounds cool by what ive read from u.
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I don't like the half season sets as much.
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kinda makes my case for me...and UMMM NOTHING REALLY??? damn ur "smartness" astounds me....good lord....idiot....
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think they'll be as nice as the Lost season sets?
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Where was I?Nothing supports my loony theory that Cooper pushed Locke out the window, crippling him, and Locke is in shock or suffering from amnesia to explain why he is still on good terms with his father. However, though it's far-fetched, nothing on the show contradicts that long-shot theory. And nothing contradicts the possibility that the father Helen wants to invite to the wedding is Locke's adoptive father of Step-father. Based on just what's on the screen, we do not know if Cooper put Locke in the wheel-chair. Not yet shown. We do know that someone using the name Anthony Cooper cause James Ford's father to kill his mother and then himself. So IF that Anthony Cooper is the same Anthony Cooper as Locke's biological father - as he was in the other Lost classic reality - then Cooper is not a nice man.Ford may have killed a man in Australia. Cooper may have crippled Locke. Based only what's been shown on the show, we do not have enough evidence to refute either suggestion.And "That contradicts what I think so you must be an idiot" is not a valid argument either. Sorry.Cooper may not have tried to kill his son that would make for a happier ending for Locke and Helen. Ford may not have killed the wrong suspect in Australia. After all, who needs another vigilante cop story. but he did go to Australia looking for a man to kill, according to his own admission to Miles. Too soon to say, we just have to wait and see. Nine weeks, all will be explained. Or, if not all, at least that.
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The main three characters are great. Walters the best though. Also I think that I like the actor who played Abaddon (Lance Riddick) better as Agent Broyles in Fringe. Still kind of the same character, but a bit more heart.
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now by "her" definition..."she's" stupid LOL....
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you're not getting any traction here with the name calling and the all caps shouting. Just find one person to back you up and explain to me what you don't understand about Kate taking Aaron. C'mon, you have friends, get one person to explain it.
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i was interested in watching because of Riddick..sounds good
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The FF half season set only had to making of and one sneek set of scenes from tonights episode. Im hoping that they do at least as much as the Lost sets for the full season. As for Fringe I HIGHLY recomend the season one set. Theres as much stuff as the Lost sets. But its actually a little better. With Lost all of the extras are thrown onto the last one or two discs. But with Fringe each Disc has 4 episodes and the deleted scenes, and making of docs for individual episodes on the discs of the corresponding episodes. Plus an overall making of video on each disc. Pretty cool, no watching the episode and then having to hunt down the episodes extras on another disc.
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by YOUR LOGIC....we now have to explore every aspect of the alt to DISSPELL the obvious scenarios??? goooodddd....thats why u have SCENARIOS FOR DUMMIES i guess. its INFERRED dummy. AND they're gonna WRAP that up in the REMAINING episodes??? wow, ur really gona be unhappy cause there's gonna be NO CLOSURE with ALL ASPECTS of the story.....
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that was a "back up" brotha...
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as much as i dont want to get "invested" in another tv show u are making a good point...bad thing is that i read aboooot the Fringe season finale twist...i liked it though...
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You are making an issue of semantic form, so at least be accurate.
Claire to Jin: "That's good..Because if Kate was RAISING Aaron ..I'd Kill her"
Kate to Claire: "I'm raising Aaron"
It was never about who 'took' Aaron.. as Non-John tried to explain to Crazy Claire, that it was not an act nefarious on Kate's part. And he explained that it was transferred rage born of the lie he told Claire about the Temple-ers having her Bay-bee ..it was. Strictly typin laways about who was 'RAISING' Aaron.
Again, Sawyer took Aaron who gave him to Kate who gave him to Sun who gave him to Kate who gave him to Hurley who gave him to Kate who gave him to Penny who gave him to Kate who gave him to Grandma. Thus the original joke about huggies and RAISING AARON-zona.
You are missing the more on point questions.
1) Why doesn't Kate just tell Claire (or anyone else) he is with Grandma now and that her 1/2 bro is some where about?
2) and importantly, Why doesn't Claire 'remember' walkin off into the Jungle with Ghost Dad? Sittin in the Cabin knowingly pervy smiling with Ghost Dad and John Locke? -
THAT JUST HAPPENED!!! SHAKE AND BAKE!!!! 2 VERBS!!!
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Ump seems to think you're right, Mac seems to think I'm wrong, so you win one internets.New theory: When the mercs exploded Claire's cabin and she died the Red Cross Island Healing Factor Monster took her place. Then when the RCIHFM placed Aaron in the tree truck he died and was replaced by the Gray Flannel Monster. Sawyer say the false Aaron lying there and thought "I ain't taking that kid" and left. When he got back to the Beach FakeAaron teleported into his arms and he thought "Huh, I guess I took him after all." No matter how hard people tried to get away from Aaron, he kept transmigrating and time traveling along the electromagnetic lines and appearing on the chopper, the raft, Penny's boat, the plane and at the press conference, the house where Jack and Kate lived, the supermarket and Grandma Littleton's hotel room. Everywhere Aaron appeared, he was either a Monster Apparition Aaron or a Ghost Aaron who just turned up or materialized in those places, and at no time did anyone ever take Aaron anywhere. Especially the woman in the supermarket that Kate thought was trying to take him. That makes so much more sense than anyone ever taking Aaron anywhere. Glad that's settled.I still don't understand the whole name calling and shouting sense of humor, but that's okay, most people don't "get" me, either.
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... paralel universe stories. And lo and behold, so does FRAUD TREK. Everything that JJ Abrams is associated with is a story about paralel universes.Is this a patern i see in here? Or just an incredible show of lack of imagination? For how long will he keep on milking this shit on every show he's responsible for?The geekry harshly criticised Rick Berman, and with good reason, because he kept shoving time travel stories into all the shows he was responsible for, to the point it became a parody. JJ Abrams does the same with paralel universes in all his current shows, and the geekry bows before him in complete servitude and kiss his feet. Who can understand this shit?
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But as others have barely pointed out JJ is hardly even involved in Lost, "hardly even" is probably still exagerating his involvement.
Parallel universes, differnet paths, alternate history etc are all very interesting. It looks at destiny v free will, it looks at those "what if" questions and would be very suprised if everyone here hadn't thought in their life at least once, "what if I had done x instead of y" -
"What if after seeing Star Trek last year you wrote 1 negative piece on Star Trek and after that you thought now let me focus on something I like or am interested in, instead of writing literally volumes of comments on JJ and Star Trek, what would have been the outcome."
Think we can say with certainy that any TB that mentioned JJ or Star Trek would have had a lot less comments. You may have been happier. But maybe like Claire in Lost you need something to hate, you need it to keep you going. In some parallel world, instead of spending your time hating Star Trek, you could be a post office worker and one day decide to take an uzi to work. Maybe others on the TBs also needed a "villian", needed someone to hate.
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If officer James Ford had gone to Australia to kill Anthony Cooper, and shot him dead, as VikkiMarsdale above seems to suggest, then why would he return to LA and continue phoning up Anthony Cooper's in the phone book?
So, VikkiMarsdale, to answer the question you asked 6 times... "What scene on the show established that Officer Ford did not find and kill the wrong person while looking for Anthony Cooper?"
Answer, the scene where James is phoning different Anthony Coopers.
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We have zero evidence Ford went to Australia for the purpose of killing Cooper.Based upon what was on screen - James Ford told Miles that he went to Australia and got the name of the man responsible for his parents' death - Anthony Cooper. Assuming James was not lying to Miles then he did not have the name Anthony Cooper prior to going to Australia. This is further supported by the fact that we see James conning an Anthony Cooper on the phone trying to determine if he is the right one during one scene. Per what he said to Miles if he had met the right Anthony Cooper in Australia he might have killed him. However, we have no reason to believe he went there to kill a man named Sawyer. He may have just gone to track a lead.
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As obsessed about the people who still bitch about the SW prequels, even 10 year the release of THE PHANTOM MENACE? Compared to that, i'm a newbie, a newborn talking about a still very fresh movie. Or is the Geekry Dogma that one is allowed to bitch about Lucas but sinful unto Saint JJ Abrams?Nice try trying to put out the responsabilities of Jj Abrams about the less then satisfying elements about LOST. When anything is good about that show, it's JJ Abrams you fall to your kneees in praise, the stuff that's bad it's somebody else's fault. You sound like Michael Bay's fanboys, his wrongdoings is never his fault, it's somebody else's!I don't need stuff to hate. I'd be far happier and far better served without shit movies like FRAUD TREK and without hacks like JJ Abrams. i'd be happy as a clam without this kind of pollution fucking up cinema. I hate to hate.. My wishis that the good movies would outnumber the bad. but in 2009, shit prevailed to a fashion that is unbelivable. It was thew year of the hack. I love to love, but last year was was submerged in reasons to hate. In 2009 the bad hateful bullshit far outweighted the good stuff by such a wide margin that i had never seen before since i became a movie geek in the mid80s. I love to love. I love cinema, and i hate anything that fucks it up. And that is the whole fucking point. Love to hate? Fuck that sick bullshit!
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Mar 19, 2010 7:25:30 AM CDT
the answer for all that deal about James Ford and Anthony Cooper
by asimovlives
is that it's all about some paralel universe. LOST is now all about paralle universes. Paralel universes are now the panaceia to answer and remedy all plot holes, narrative dead ends and general lack of storytelling skills. So was postulated by Saint JJ Abrams, the patron saint of hacks. And if it's said by Saint JJ, then it has to be as good as the word of God himself, it is unquestionable dogma, so saythe the geekry.
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So in the very first ALT scene we see an almost identical scene, on flight 815. There are a few differences. From that point on you could say,'okay we saw Cindy give Jack one bottle instead of two but everything else is the same.' But, you would be wrong. In this reality the plane doesn't crash. Now, you could say,'okay the plane doesn't crash but everything else is the same.' But, you would be wrong. Jack has a kid in this reality. And on and on it goes, that things in the ALT are not just opposite or different in only one small way, there are sweeping changes but not ones that follow a neat little pattern. So when you say stuff like, we KNOW this happened because that is what happened the first time, it has no foundation. To say that Sawyer didn't shoot anyone because he was still looking for Anthony Cooper, is just playing into their hand, when they eventually misdirect you. Especially on a show like this you can only go but what is actually on screen. I may end up being wrong, but I don't believe that the people who have already shattered the established story telling conventions of television, would do something as contrived as what you're talking about. I don't think it's Bizzaro World like jay is suggesting. I don't think it's the end of the show like so many people are already just saying is fact. I think they're going to do something with the ALT stuff that we've never seen. And then and only then can you start to talk about whether or not it worked.
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Mar 19, 2010 8:28:59 AM CDT
How Many Times Do We Have To Say JJ Doesn't Even Work on Lost?
by crow3711
It's just getting pathetically retarded Asimov. Its been 5 years since he was a major force behind the show. WRite your apthetic diatribes about Darlton, or Liz Sarnoff, or Matthew Vaughn. But honestly, how insipid do you have to be to continue to post something like that over and over? Is anyone on here going to think, "ohmy god hes so right about JJ and lost! I quit! Thanks asimov!" Get a life. He doesn't even work on the show anymore. You're just jealous that he is wildly, wildly successful, and you....well...you're just you. On a talkback for a show you don't like. Yeah. Wow. You're really setting the world ablaze.
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like Kate doesn't consider it IMPORTANT information that Clare might be INTERESTED in knowing her mother, Aaron's grandmother, is taking care of him now?
WTF???
also, about Fringe, absolutely love the fact that "the observer" is in EVERY SINGLE EPISODE and has even been spotted outside of the fictional Fringe universe, like in the crowd at ball games and even American Idol - but if I see him on the island or in "LA X" I am gonna FREAK! -
JJ Abrams not working on LOST is an even worst scenario for him. and it's funny that, you call me retard but you can't even guessed the implications of your defense for your beloved JJ. The irony of that is so thich, i would need a chainsaw to cut through it.In case you have not understood it yet, allow me to clarify. What this means is that, if true that Abrams no longer works for LOST for some time, then he and his Bobby Orci assclown buddy are ripping off a plot element from a popular well received show and shoving them in their own creations, FRINGE and FRAUD TREK. This is a clear proof of their lack of talent and imagination as storytellers and their shameless oportunism. This actually makes JJ Abrams looks the worst for wear.What's so amazing about everything dealing with JJ Abrams is that whenever i think there is no more wrongs to know about him, somebody, usually a fan, will point out of a fact that makes him look even worst then i could ever imagine. His fans don't even understand all their defenses make him look like a complete miserable untalented hack. In that regard, they are exactly like the Michael Bay fanboys. Which is very telling.
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Only good thing in it is Anna Torv.
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Nice to toss an idea out and actually have it intelligently analyzed, dissected and commented on. Obviously you're right, if Sawyer had gone to Australia, learned Anthony Cooper was "Sawyer," had found someone he thought was Sawyer, killed him and learned he had killed the wrong man, there would have been no reason for him to hide the fact that he'd been to Australia from his partner or to continue looking for Anthony Cooper. Sixy, "Assuming James wasn't lying to Miles..." is a big assumption considering that Miles broke up their partnership over trust issues. Though technically withholding information is not the same as lying. Just as saying you went to - what was it, San Diego? - instead of Australia is not technically... well, wait, I guess that would be lying. Josh, love the Bizarro World reference. "This am LA X reality, us do everything opposite of way it done on Lost Island." Well, you're the comic, fill that out with examples of oppositeness, "Here, Locke am flat-chested and people care about Jack Kate Sawyer love triangle" and so on.V'sh, scroll down a couple posts from that quintuple post and in following post on the same subject it was acknowledged in the subject line that the previous post had been accidentally posted in mid stream and I had no idea why it was a multiple post. I think I tapped one of those keys to one side of the space bar, beyond that it's too technical for me to understand. Not like I'd start writing something, stop halfway through and think "Wow, this is so good I'm going to post it five times." I'd be glad to delete four of them, that Doc Jenson article and the three long lists of four letter words the island might be, but I read somewhere once that AICN does not have an edit function for altering or deleting messages after they've been posted. Sorry I ruined the talkback for you, or the damage done to your life.Asimov, I agree about Parallel Universe stories. I was writing a BDSM novel that involved some attitudes and laws that could simply not be justified as realistic in any real world scenario, so I put them in a parallel world that had been founded specifically for the purpose of altering social norms and, zap, worked perfectly. Still had to acknowledge certain restrictions as punitive but other than that, like you say, a panacea for all plot problems.I disagree about Fringe, though, Asi - While Anna Torv's Esquire layout was nice, my favorite part of the show is Walter Bishop. Yes, it's a broader style of comedy than Lost fans are used to; basically "let's make fun of the aging hippie" - but I still find him one of the most interesting characters on TV. Though not up there with Benjamin Linus, John Locke and NonLocke/MIB. Or Bree Hodge.
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So let me get this straight. If Abrams is involved with LOST he sucks. But if he's not involved with LOST he sucks more? Gotta admit, that's some airtight logic you got there. Also, are you basing his suckage on how wildly popular he is or his success? 'Cause, I know your argument. He sucks even though he does well because he doesn't play to my tastes and only does hack work that idiots like. Well, you want to know what you call a person who has amazing stories to tell that NO ONE, and I mean NO ONE want to listen to, like yourself. Crazy. That guy standing at the end of the off ramp sceaming at his crotch to stop buying things off e-bay? He thinks he's a great writer that no one will listen to. He probably thinks Abrams sucks too. He probably thinks he could do it better. You should probably look him up. You guys would get along great.
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The closed captioning for the hearing impaired on my 13"er blew out a few years ago, so sometimes I miss a line of dialogue I can't quite make out. Maybe someone with captioning or a better sound system can pick this up for me.When Kate sees the thing in the cradle and asks Claire what it is, does Claire reply "It's all I have" or "It's a lamb"?I think the first has more drama, but they both seem to make sense. Unless it's a boar.I think most people here have decided they don't want it to be Vincent.
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It's all I had.
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Sawyer had a reason to lie without the added incentive of murder. If your point is that he possibly might have killed somebody - sure that's a possibility. More than zero. It's also possible he spent the weekend whoring and drinking with Jack's dad. It's always possible a character could surprise us. Based upon what they have shown of us slideways world, there is no current reason to think he did murder someone.
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They wouldn't bother me if any of them actually had the sack to back up what they say, but 90% of the time they shrink away when engaged or just start with the whole you're a fag, retard, blah, blah, blah. Oh, yeah if any of them were actually funny. That would be nice. lbt says something funny in like 1 out of 200 posts, which only a good average if you're the Lions.
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That is exactly the point I was trying to make. That we have NO IDEA what people are doing in the ALT. Which is why people saying so assuredly,'I know this is what happened or will happen in the ALT,' is frustrating. He might have killed him, he might have spared him, they may have just talked or maybe he just sat in his hotel room, building up courage till check out.
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hst6s, actually the only reason to think Ford might have killed someone is his stated intention to do so. And the evidence that not everything on LA X World is opposite; Ford's dad killed his mum and suicided out after they were conned by Anthony Cooper. So the possibility that James story followed the established storyline - finds wrong guy, kills him - is improbable but, as you say, the odds are better than zero. Possible, not very likely. I wasn't trying to sell the idea, just point out that there's no evidence presented on the show to support the theory that "everything am opposite on LA X World."Hmm, what would the opposite of having your dad kill your mom and then himself be? He makes clone copies of her and then gives birth to himself. Naw, that sounds more like a Fringe plot...
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It be a pretty cool episode though.
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I wouldn't say "we have no idea in allcapa". And not because of the use of caplock, which is a Klingon swear word. We have some idea of what's going on in LA X World, but only based on what we have seen so far.Random example. We know that Sayid was just forced into protecting his brother's family by killing three men. We know he found Jin in a freezer and, apparently, that Jin has seen Sayid's face and might be able to identify him to the police. It is very unlikely that Jin saw the murders, possible he heard them (since Sayid herd Jin struggling, and gunshots are loud.) That scene, which we might consider a cliff-hanger, is what we do know. Will Sayid walk away and leave Jin bound to the chair, or lock the freezer and hope he dies, or untie him, or shoot him? Trying to reason with him seems out since Jin No English. So we do know that there is a situation that hopefully will be resolved. We do not know how it will be resolved. And we can't say with any degree of certainty "Sayid MUST kill Jin in LA X because he NEVER killed Jin on the Island and all LA X developments MUST be opposite." Or "Sayid MUST let Jin go because he ALWAYS kills people on the Island." Odds are he either will kill or not kill Jin, so one of those statements may be true, but not because it's the opposite of something else. I think we're on the same page with this.
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made clone copies of herself and then gave birth to me.[poom] 8)
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Yup, same page. I get a little emphatic.
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Also, you can't do italics, which leaves me with only caplock. CAPLOCK!
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Not hardly. I said you're an idiot for continuing to attack him and lost when he doesnt work on the show anymore. I don't care if JJ created lost or if fucking glenn beck created it. I love THE SHOW. Not the person who made it. You're being an idiot my friend. I don't know JJ Abrams, and my guess is neither do you. I'm just going to stick with my theory that you're just jealous and angry that his creations and re-boots are objectively wildly fucking popular, while no one on earth cares about you at all. So you need to troll, and that literally what you are doing, trolling around on a talkback for something you hate, trying to convince people that someone they dont know, or even really care about, is a hack and a fraud. NO ONE CARES. I like lost. A whole lot. What that says about me and my character...thats up to you and your opinion I guess. But as far as what it says about me and my feeling towards JJ Abrams...you've gotta be off your fucking rocker man. You're life is just meaningless enough to sit on here and talk about much you hate a guy who doesnt even know you exist. And if he did know, he would laugh, with all his money and success, all the way to the bank. You're blind hatred of him and his work, has never, and WILL NEVER, have any affect on his future success. He's going to be around for a long, long time. You're utterly pathetic posts aren't going to change that.
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[POOM]
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This is what I'm talking about. You come in here and talk shit and then as soon as Crow puts you in your place, you're just gone? For reals? You're that spineless? "I'm gonna be the guy in the bar that waits till a fight starts, then throw my chair and run out of the bar giggling like a little girl and telling my friends how awesome I am." Yeah, good luck with that. I'd call you a pussy, but I really like it, and you suck. So instead I will call you an anal polyp, 'cause you're about as worthless and ineffective. Dumb, meaningless, cowardly anal polyps, all of you.
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I sincerely believe that JJ Abrams is responsible (or held responsible) for some real, personal pain in the life of AsimovLives. Like he killed his dog or fucked his girlfriend or fucked his dog and killed his girlfriend. Something. It IS especially annoying to hear about it constantly in Lost TB when as others have pointed out he's not involved with the show. He was one of three creators, he didn't come up with the original idea, he didn't come up with the core ideas of the mythology, etc. By any account most of what he DID contribute was the same shit that Lindelof was thinking. I mean they said that specifically on the DVD thinger I saw. So my point is. What is my point? Oh yeah, the Abrams hate wagon should be rolled elsewhere. Just take it to the Fringe TBs.
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Maybe Abrams dog fucked Asimovs dead girlfriend? That'd piss me off.
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YOU BURIED THE LEAD! (Sorry for the allcaps). Googling now. See ya'll in a few.
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That it?... Always a treat.
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Now it's fat people? Okay, here we go.
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Oh my God, totally! She is fat, like a whale. And Willy was a whale. You fucking nailed her! I so hope she reads this and is all, Oh, I'm fat like a whale, I'm gonna kill myself. And then maybe she jumps off a building and if we're lucky lands on some gays. 'Cause they're gross, as previously stated. Wait, lostboy, who should I hate more fat people or the yucky gays?
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i can imagine him at a Alias convention and he thinks he's IncrediAbrams SOOOPERFAN! he has ALL kinds of posters and dvd merchandise for him to sign. he also has this AWESOME new series and movie to pitch him. he stands in line for hours THEN....that HACK Abrams has the audacity to say to 'ol ASSI...um, dude, ive been listening to u for over 4 hours i gotta go mmmk? plus, i cant sign EVERYTHING u have there's more people in line alrighty? IcrediAbrams now swears revenge and becomes Syndrome aka AssimovLives!!!!! it's so true brotha...
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Hate them.
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Mar 19, 2010 12:10:47 PM CDT
also, guys we can agree to disagree on alot of things but....
by jay2517
we ALL agree that LostAssiboyLives are cockwads of the 3rd degree yes????
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Hear, Hear!
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Feel like a big man now? Pathetic.
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annnnd he posts a possible Spoiler...ah the douchbaggery continues....
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i just tried to reach through and bitchslap a cockwad...must remain calm...
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Nooooooooo, you ruined the show for all of us! You win. So, here's your...wait, what do you get again? Nothing? Wow, your life must be pretty sweet. Well, now that I'm done with LOST what else should I do? I already bought all of Shania Twains albums like you said. I drink my own urine like you suggested. I regularly jerk off to Glenn Beck episodes just like you. But what TV should I watch? Since you just completely utterly succeeded in spoiling the whole show, so now my life is meaningless. Would you recommend hanging out in talkbacks and getting abused? You make it look so fun.
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C'mon, man up. This is so fucking pathetic. You're mad a couple people that you know would steamroll you if you actually talked to them, so you spoil 'cause you have nothing else? So this is the lostboy repertoire, say something sucks, call people gay if they disagree, spoil when questioned. You're a fucking genius. Where did you learn these amazing techniques? TruckStopHooker U?
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u jerk off to Beck also??? thought i was the only one brotha...
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Say one thing to me. I dare you. I double dog dare you. Say one teeny tiny little thing. Don't just ruin shit for everyone else.
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Nothing better. It's always a magical moment when I cum and he fake cries at the same time.
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and its a magical moment when he scream that i should RESIGN SIR!!! for not doing it the way HE thinks it should be done...
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Olberman is hilarious. Especially 'cause I can only ever see him as a SC anchor. Every time he goes on a tear, I think why isn't he talking about basketball? His outrage is so profound it has smaller outrages orbiting around it.
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"I sincerely believe that JJ Abrams is responsible (or held responsible) for some real, personal pain in the life of AsimovLives.," Quoth ThunderboltRoss. Thunderfuck and AntotherDeadKitten and LostboyTexass--[stop the [POOM] it's GAY. Weirdos. -
"I sincerely believe that JJ Abrams is responsible (or held responsible) for some real, personal pain in the life of AsimovLives.," Quoth ThunderboltRoss. Thunderfuck and AntotherDeadKitten and LostboyTexass--[stop the [POOM] it's GAY. Weirdos. -
jus sayin.
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I have a little information for you. [POOM]Now look at yourself in the mirror because YOU MADE THIS HAPPEN[POOM]
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That must be why they look exactly the same
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Holy shit! Another one bites the dust! 'Cause if MacFaux is a dude, you said sperm goes down his throat. Which makes him gay. Ga-ross. Quick question, do you keep a journal next to your bed, and write this stuff down? Or, does it just come to you?
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I honestly don't know what to do.. laugh at ya or cry for ya...
I mean in one post you type you never read my incoherent ramblings and in the next your givin me La Royale (French Navy) sweet comeon's ..it is very confusing. Which, based on the historical content of your posts seems to be your native sexual disposition. Do you needs a hug, baby?
Honneur, Patrie, Valeur, Discipline, mon ami!
And, not to a... judge or anything.. but you do realize the average sperm count for a normal Man is like between 30 and 60,000,000? Sooooo... in effect you just admited you are shootin blanks, baby. I neeeeds a real Man, sweetheart.
Be good. Be Well. Keeep those plagiarized foilers and fictions ...'comin' *snort* -
No kiddin'
I'm ready to fight
I've been lookin'
for my baby all night
If I get her in my sight
POOM POOM! RIGHT HERE! Out go the lights!!!!
Feature. Conjure. Gigged. officially retired words, TR.
Officially.
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Did not happen Tuesday or Thursday on ABC, but rather Wednesday on St. Patrick's day. Looks like I didn't miss much tho...
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No you did! You're just being mean. I asked nicely at first. Take responsibility for your actions. I didn't force you to [POOM] me. Fucking Brat.
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Now he gets it. POOM! Yes.
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Kate is an anagram of "take". That's what Kate does. She takes. So there. But please guys try and be considerate. Think of our dear friend to the talk back, LOST BOY TAKES ASS. Think what you're doing to the poor boy introducing all this ambiguity and confusion into his life. If his persona now hinges entirely on whether his Aint It Cool News nickname is based on a pun that fundamentally misunderstands the meaning of the word "takes"... well does anyone know a good psychiatrist? Maybe we can cure him.
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Why put the body where the body don't ____ __ __! Yes!"
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u take the letter O out of CountDown and u get my exact sentiments of that idiot blowhard. whats so funny is that he RAILS on and on about Limbaugh but, hes the LEFT'S version of him lol.
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SNIIIFFF...smells like shit to me brotha...
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....nah thats obviously not it...sniff...yep its shit again...FOOO SHOOO brotha...
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And if he didn't, what does he do? Clearly the biggest mystery on LOST is the definition of the word TAKES. I can't wait for the three hour finale in which Claire and Kate fight it out.
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over whether Lost Boy takes ass off the island?
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Unlike Limbaugh, and 85% of his show is actual news and analysis. He does go over the top from time to time, but to compare his rhetoric to Limbaugh's is inapt.
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you guys never learn
JUST FREAKING IGNORE THE FUCKING TROLLS
it's easy enough to scroll past anything from lostboy or assimov or whatever - but then EVERYONE ELSE is just talking ABOUT these idiots and you know what?
MISSION FUCKING ACCOMPLISHED for these asswipes who want us talking about THEM instead what we're SUPPSOED to be talking about
it's called trolling
FUCK! now they got ME doing it!
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thats like saying LostVagTex is a actual human being. there is no actual "news"-- its all just his EXTREME liberal opinion (analysis) ABOUT the news. he's also a COWARD that only has (the same) pundits on his show that AGREES WHOLLY with his views...LOL a actual journalist...
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Somewhere on the Internet there is a better forum to talk about Lost with people. Any suggestions?
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Stop feeding themissingkidfromthatbiggunlovingstate, if every single one of us just didn't respond, he'd have to go away right? I'm serious.
And even if every "spoiler" he printed turned out to be, it doesn't spoil a single thing for me. It's about the journey to the moments that make them great, not the shocker moments themselves. You could tell me every major talking point on lost and none of them would mean anything without the context and character behind them. Spoil away, pathetlad, I don't mind at all. -
television without pity. The Lost forum there is relatively friendly and thoughtful. There's also http://forum.thefuselage.com/
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Mar 19, 2010 8:06:15 PM CDT
Not certain that first one of taxxess' is a spoiler
by anotherdeadkitten
Not certain that first one of taxxess' is a spoiler or a foiler. Common knowledge can't be either and someone pointed out to me weeks ago that Hurley has been wearing a redshirt since last season.[poom] trust the traditions.
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Honestly, the thrown together Deep Space Nine conclusion is bearable, but the mirror universe stuff (life on the right side of the tracks) is awful (in general, I did like the Locke flash sideways). It has no relevance to the story. Someone is going to have to make a cross sideways free edit! I've been very disappointed with this season, the opener was fun, but now it's just The Pah Wraith Gul Dukat vs Captains Sisko's Prophet, which again, is ok, not perfect, but ok. The whole it's a soap opera, it's a cop show, it's a medical drama, it's TGIF line up from the 90's flash side ways stuff is unimportant, has NO relevance to the characters described over the last 5 seasons, and is just plain bad writing. A shame. I'm hoping the season starts pulling it together. The show had some down turns before but this is it's low point unfortunately. The season should have began with only the main story with maybe a few relevant flashbacks, and perhaps a couple glimpses into the flashsideways stuff. I'm still hoping for the best, and if it doesn't deliver... it will be great material for the fan edit sites. Oh, and how come no one is ask "Oh, your the smoke monster, what the fuck are you, really, how the fuck can you turn into smoke? Oh, and what's with this place, what was that egyptian temple we saw when we were flying through time?" I mean, he has to know he's the fucking smoke monster.
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When people met Odo and heard he was a shape shifter who slept in a bucket, did they all ask "How do you do that?" Did anyone?First, congratulations on being a high up Hollywood insider whose already seen the final nine episodes of Lost. I didn't even know they'd finished editing the last one. but since you have an opinion on how the flashsides failed to fit in or be explained by the end of the series clearly you've seen it all. My envy. Though I'm just as glad seeing it one episode at a time with the general public and discussing it episode by episode in this forum.For five years one of the top, most frequently asked questions about Lost was "What is the Smoke Monster". As you recall, in the sixth season premier the game changer was "Not what, who?"Of course, determining that is difficult because it's hard to compile data based on the show when the character in question cannot be trusted.Technically NonLocke/MIB has not yet been caught in an outright lie or even a contradiction, he just seems untrustworthy due to his skill at making promises concerning people's wants and telling them what he telepathically learns they want to hear.As for Who he is, well, in a previous talkback a list of a dozen or so nicknames for the character was complied, which immediately caused another handful to come pouring in. The fact is, the character has not been given a name on the show, but on the season started clip show he was identified as "Jacob's Nemesis, the Man In Black". The acronym MIB is commonly used here. Those of us who have not yet seen the final episodes are hoping his identity and origin would be revealed.One theory is that he is an entity or deity. By his own words NonLocke has repeatedly stated that he is not a dead man, he is just a Man. Presumably a human man as opposed to an alien humanoid. However, he has on several occasions contradicted this by saying "I am the monster, I am the smoke creature" etc.So based on the information available to those us us who have only seen the episodes that have been broadcast, NonLocke, the Man In Black who has taken the form of the deceased John Locke, is either:1. A Man - a human male - with the following superpowers: shape shifting (limited to only appearing in the form of those who have died), telepathy (the power to find out what people want to see or hear), and the power to turn into an extremely powerful cloud ob black smoke.2. Someone who was a Man and by gaining these superpowers through some mystical, supernatural or spiritual means, became elevated to the status of something more than a man: a deity, a demigod, a djinn (genie), a demon, etc.3. If he is lying about being a man, the question switches back from who to what: It is a Smoke Monster capable of detecting thoughts and impersonating dead humans as well as it's native destructive abilities.Whether he is a Man with superpowers, an entity on a higher plane of a Monster able to pose as human, he has certain weaknesses, reportedly including inability to cross lines made of a certain type of ash, inability to cross open water in smoke form, inability to go through or over a certain type of electromagnetic grid fence and the inability to take to form of any living person. I cannot cite chapter/verse on those weaknesses to name the episodes i which they were determined; largely that data is based on the discussion in this forum.To the best of my knowledge his weaknesses to not include the inability to affect the color yellow. However, much like an enraged bull, he does seem to have a penchant for attacking people wearing redshirts. A reference I'm sure a fellow Trekkie will appreciate.
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Well he's BAD... And he's an ASS...
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"it's a soap opera, it's a cop show, it's a medical drama, it's TGIF line up from the 90's"LOL. You forgot the Jack episode: it's an after school special.Actually, it feels like a series of potential spin-off pilots, except The Darlton have stated they don't want to do any spin-offs.The "Ghostyboy and The Grifter" test pilot seems to have tested well in the key demographics, but ABC already has a white guy/Asian guy buddy cop show (FlashForward) and the prototype (Hawaii 5-0) is in the remake pilot stages already.
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We Like the LOSTThe LOST that goes POOMWe're Tigre and BunnyAnd we Like the POOM
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I have noticed that you seem upset about the [poom].This talkback tends to sometimes be a rather insular group; probably a learned response from dealing with trolls. So sometimes they are not always forthcoming with providing newbies with information.The [POOM] is an onomatopœiac device, a transliterative construct intended to evoke the sound effect heard at the end of the popular ABC television program Lost, which people gather here to discuss.I hope that improve the quality of your life. Now that you know the meaning of the [poom] you no longer need to fear the [Poom] or impose your sexual insecurities on the [Poom]. Love the [Poom!], embrace the [POOM]. The [Poom] is your friend.Now the Poonannie you should probably be afraid of. Not really your sort of thing at all, I suspect.Sorry about misspelling your name, I was striving for comedic effect, you see.
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I'm fairly sure Sawyer knew he shot the wrong dude in Austraila because the guy told him he wasn't Cooper. So, it is entirely possible that he shot someone on his trip, though I don't think that is the case. It seems more and more that the ultimate point of the flash scenes is that the Losties are not quite locked into any destiny, but they are who they are. We have seen Locke, Ben and Jack all make similar strides forward in terms of personality, some of which is reflected already in the current timeline. It is a way of saying that even without the Island and all this crazy stuff, the journey the characters are on is one and the same for the most part. This goes back to the inherent struggle of drama vs. science fiction the past couple seasons. I'm not sure that the flashes are much more than final character examinations, but that could be so wrong it's not even funny!
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Ever read Albert Goldman's critical bio of Lenny Bruce? Suggests the man did bits parodying prejudice because he secretly liked standing on stage using racial slurs and ethnic stereotypes. I find that doubtful.Still, you have to be careful mocking prejudice. I'm sure if Littleboyfromtejas used the N-word you wouldn't repeat it as a joke and Michael Richards yourself.Now I think your mocking riff where you slavishly agree with everything Texola says is pretty funny. But it may have run it's course. After all, if your observation that he only has a couple insults to fall back on is true, then mocking him for that will get stale after a while.Well, you don't need me to spell it out, but I'm pedantic. All the heteronormative homophobia about how teh ghey is icky is wearing thin and starting to come across like you enjoy saying it. I just hope you're not trying out that nonsense here for your act.Oh, us fat people aren't icky either. In the summer you can powder our folds and crevices with corn starch and by the end of the day we make our own gravy.
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Jaka, not so much.To fallen compatriots and absent friends who've fallen by the wayside, I salute you:[Poom]
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Could be one of the bigger determennents of the ultimate success or otherwise of the resolution to the story.
Up to now the Jacob/MIB elements have been what I would determine as supernatural/mystic. However the wheel and vanishing Island feel like Sci/Fi - so how does Lost handle a fairly major tonal shift if it all turns out to be sci/fi related? The current blend feels uneasy and I think they have added too many elemennts to create the WTF moments. This stew has one or two too many ingredients in it. -
So there's all that plumbing. Whose maintaining that shit?
"Humboldt County" was a decent movie.
I find Maggie Gyllenhaal....
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my strangely bipedal friend.A tale of four dozen who who should not have survived a plane crash, tossed upon a beach.A monster in the trees.A character driven anthology drama with a mysterious framing device so strange that how to resolve the mysteries became the focal point. Mysteries so odd the promise that all could be resolved by conventional science soon proved doubtful.A man in a hole pushing a button to save the world; a man who, when freed, sent his mind bibbity-bopping about in time.And then... ghosts. Visions of the dead. Food from the sky. Hatches leading to stations. A tattooed shark. And finally hints that the whole story extends beyond the beaches of the island.Strange science; dead bodies that arrive before they're murdered. Light that scatters oddly. Mercenaries. And... a frozen donkey wheel that, when turned, makes an island vanish, but set off balance makes people bounce through time until it is set right. And heroes who finally leave the island, only to return.Two men watching a pirate ship approaching. A dead man walking. Only he is not who he seems, he is... the monster. And numbers that won a lottery and were broadcast on a signal and carved on a door are found in a cave and in a lighthouse.A pantheon of TV genres: part doctor show, part cop show, part crime show spy show romance and comedy.A reality based drama that cannot be resolved unless it encompasses science fiction, and fantasy, and the supernatural, and perhaps the spiritual as well.A saga as vast as life. A tale that although it had a myriad of familiar elements is, ultimately a story like no other.A new television series hits the airwaves. Do you trust the writers, producers, stars, the network that carries it? Do you think they will entertain and not disappoint? Are you willing to gamble on it? Clearly not everyone is. There have been doubters and dropouts every step of the way. "I thought it was a character drama, I thought it was reality based, I thought it was sci-fi, or fantasy, or ancient gods. I thought it was a puzzle in which every piece would fit perfectly, and every piece would be provided. I didn;t know they had to make it up."Hoping a TV show will be "a good one" and worth the time you spend watching and discussing it, well, it's a gamble.You play the cards you're dealt, or you fold.
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While I hope for the best, I would have been happy with that real science based anthology drama. I resisted the time travel, the sci-fi elements. I scoffed at the long discarded theory that the Smoke Monster was made of NanoBytes. Eventually I resolved to go along for the Journey.But I find your examples odd.The nanoByte security system theory. things like the sonic fence, the Dharma stations, the submarine, then Desmond, the button, the time travel, pockets of weird electromagnetic energy, teleportation, Jughead... yes, I know submarines and A-bombs really exist, but those are the elements I considered Science Fiction.Things like the Island's healing properties, the Smoke Monster, Ghosts of the dead, then frozen donkey wheels that move islands, the cave with the scale, the lighthouse with the mirrors, the temple with the resurrection pool... these are the elements I'd connect with Magick.Losties, Tailies - the protagonists caught in the middle. Dharma, freighties, science fiction. Jacob, Man In Black, the Others, Richard - Magickal.John Locke, Ben Linus... perhaps Charles Widmore... mere men, trying to meddle with matters beyond their comprehension.Sinking the island: magick. Creating the LA X alternate: science fiction.Disparate elements combined in a unique blend.And stuffed between awful commercials. Oh well, doo-doot-doot-da doo, I'm lovin' it. I'm on a horse.
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Awesome in "Secretary," as was Spader.
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With an esoteric mix like that it will come down to whether folks like spinach on their pizza.
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If you want the show ruined for you, go here...
http://lostrumours.blogspot.com/
I won't click the "Are you sure" button...
So with that, I'm done with the Lost TB as it's only a matter of time for some douchebag to post it here.
I'll see you guys after the Finale is over....
But remember, don't click the "Are you sure" button unless you want no surprise for the ending.
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Thanks for that. It's too bad because there's a looonng way to go without discussion which is one of the fun parts of the show, but it may be necessary to get outta dodge now. Anyone know any discussion sites where they are really vigilant about people posting spoilers?
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yeah I will miss some of the discussion/theories etc from the likes of you, Dapper and Maniaq.
I can understand your aprehension, and sadly this site doesn't ban people for posting excessive spoilers that will ruin the entertainment for others. Honestly couldn't tell you what people are banned for here, its very very random and seems to be when the mods are feeling overly sensitive or haven't got any action in a while.
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the discussion, the theories etc for me have put this show on a different level, will definetely miss it for the remainder of the season if more people pull out and will be missed a lot once this show is over
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watching the recent episodes of flash forward and whilst it was ok, thinking what a disappointment and the gap between it and Lost is huge.
this gap is not just on the acting, writing and directing, but interest levels.
With Goyer and Braga involved my expectations were lowered but the concept sounded really cool.
For me like the series V I find one of the issues is that the scale is too huge. Lost started off about a group of individuals in a small setting, a mysterious island, with a real focus on characters and as time has gone on the scale has got bigger and bigger, but its always been about a select group of people.
With Flash Forward and V, the scale has been huge, everyone in the world passing out and seeing their future, everyone in the world being visited by aliens and after we are exposed to this large scale they focus in on a certain group of characters.
Think Flash Forward wold have worked much better if only a very select group of people had experienced the flash forward.
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Am enjoying Fringe when its on. Even if it does have one of the most bland main characters on TV . She is getting more interesting, and Walter and Peter for me are really the stars of the show.
John Noble who plays Walter is one of the actors who can compete with the actors on cable shows and he along with Michael Emerson should be nominated for an emmy.
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That's the crux of it innit? There's a dearth of quality sci-fi type stuff so it'll do but the main ingredient missing from Fringe, to compare it to its obvious forbear, is the personality of a Scully and Mulder dynamic.
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I know its kind of a dumb thing to say at this point...but waking up this morning and hearing they are filming or have finished filming the series finale...and it just hit me really hard. Lost is going to be over. For some of the people on the show, it already is. That's weird. Maybe not so weird for people who came late or aren't so into it...but I know a lot of people here, myself included, were sitting in front of the tv for the very first episode, and haven't stopped for the past six years. No show has ever become such a meaningful and exciting and timeconsuming journey into entertainment. It's going to suck when its over. I mean, I was into BSG, I watched the wire all on netflix in a months time, and deadwood is one of the best shows ever....but none of those experiences even come close to the last six years. I don't know if lost is "better" than those shows...but it means more. Especially with such a large, enthusiastic, and fun fan base. Coming on here with you guys its a part of the experience for me, and I'll miss that.
Sorry, I think I'm digressing into sentimental nonsense that no one will care about...but really...itll be over in 63 days or so. It's not like I have no life and will be empty after or anything...but television will feel so much emptier. I just like the lost has taken on more meaning than being just a show to so many people. We're in it, together, and thats really cool. One of my realizations about lost so far this season is that even when they are "wasting a bit of time" and its not revelations and answers and exciting stuff every minute...I feel happy just watching the characters, no matter what. I love the music more than anything on television. Every other show I really sit and critique or complain or think about what I would rather see...but not lost. I just don't care...I'm just glad its on when its on.
Anyways...here we go. The final stretch. I'm going to try to avoid spoilers, but as I said before, nothing can really spoil anything in lost for me. Even if you tell me who is going to die, whats going to happen, etc it just doesnt matter. It's always been about getting there. Those spoilers might tell me what happens, but now how it happens, and thats what matters to me. Personally, I can't wait. -
I was surprised that this weeks new episode was actually, in many ways, leagues better than anything they did in the fall. Changing show runners really helped. But the show is still functionally retarded on a very basic level. The premise is just massively impossible to make work on tv in any way that isnt full of massive holes and hilariously stupid character choices. They did better this week...but its still a wholly mediocre show. I feel bad for Charlie...he deserves better than his lame, good/bad character. And hes one of the more interesting people on the show. Big problem.
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I feel exactly the same, when you watch most tv shows, its an hour of entertainment, escapism, maybe even an hour of very well made tv (see sopranos, the wire, dexter, mad men, deadwood, the shield etc). But Lost has been something very different, something very special.
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One of DarlUFO's contacts just confirmed the finale spoiler to be a huge Hoax.
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thats me in a nutshell. and to add- Lost makes u think ALL week how the next episode's gonna be. EXCEPT Kate episodes uuuugggghhhh...brotha...
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great points too brotha... see we can be nicey nice lol...
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guess u dont like spinach OR pizza huh...
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You big silly, I know what the POOM is. It;s just GAY! I have been putting up with it since the first time I noticed it (been reading Lost TBs here for years).
NO! NO! NO! I DO NOT WILL BOT CANNOT accept or embrace the [POOM].
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I did say that the show could turn around, but, in my opinion, and yes, opinions are like assholes, and I may be an asshole; the last three episodes had horrible flash sideways subplots... I felt they were hard to watch. And in 'Recon', based on the last five seasons that generally had great revealing cliffhangers... we get "We ain't taking the plane, we're taking the sub." [POOM] So Sawyer knows how to drive a sub as opposed to the plane? What? I admit, this is a small point and will probably be resolved adequately... but still... could of been better. I also still maintain that this season would be better with mere glimpses of the flash sideways (or none at all) and (I'm assuming we'll get a flashback next week with Batmanuel) a couple relevant flashback/forwards. I obviously haven't seen the entire season, but judging from what I've seen it is a prime PRIME candidate for fan editing. It's not meant as an insult to the series, there's (even in this season so far) enough good moments to keep me interested, it just could be a lot better with the proper deletion of crap. And I actually get a kick out of the fact Abrams is using every popular Star Trek plot convention and twisting it into something new and frightening.I'm just waiting for evil Jack with the goatee. Oh wait, I guess you could argue that there is evil Locke... but it's more like non Locke (Akin to a salt sucking succubus)so I guess we still need an evil alternate someone... well, at least we have a parallel dimension... were a good, original, entertaining show is boring and predictable.
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Abrams doesnt work on Lost anymore...hasnt since basically the 1st season. so, u saying Abrams is using a Star Trek plot convention makes all ur "points" very moot. the season isnt even over idiot. Quit watching ok?? AHHH...my first idiot of the day...feels good brotha...
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Then yes. You should stop watching. Because you don't understand the show.
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I don't believe anyone understands the show yet. Also, you missed the point of my comment. I should of stated it as I love how LOST is using a number of popular Star Trek conventions. I was serious, not sarcastic, I do like how they are using them in a new and interesting way. Abrams name is tied to the show, it was my error to incorrectly use his name. Sorry. And how is my point moot, I don't think I stated a point... outside of not liking the flash sideways. I don't like them, so far. The Sayid story line was terrible, Ben one was a Degrassi Next Generation episode, and The "Cutt'n it close, Ford!" "Only way to cut it." subplot was also pretty awful. I didn't like it, you obviously did like it, that's fine. You have an emotional attachment to the show, the producers of the show should be proud. If you feel the need to insult people who actually state their opinion, so be it. And I already stated that there is enough interesting elements, although very few in comparison to the previous seasons, to continue watching. No whiny insult is going to convince me "We ain't taking the plane, we're tak'n the sub" is good writing.
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Da PLaaaen da plaaen booss
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It's not [POOM]; t's [POOP]
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so when your done watching LOST you could switch to SGU!
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ya we got TBAG!!!!!
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Apologies to Philip K Dick (if only the Lost writers had referenced this guy in the series somehow), Isaac Asimov, Ray Bradbury etc and even back to Johannes Kepler there is no way the Lost writers could have been influenced by your works in anyway they have only been influenced by Star Trek.
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Thank you for clarifying my statement that I was obviously trying to make. Gene Roddenberry's "Wagon to the Stars" began the sci-fi genre... that was my point. Not that common sci-fi devices, used most predominately in the series Star Trek, are looked at in a new and interesting way. That wasn't what I meant... I meant only Star Trek is sci-fi.
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They needed a catchy revelation for the end for the episode, so they kept it short and pithy. If they had a few minutes to clarify the details, that scene would have gone something like this:Sawyer: "I'm gonna let them fight it out and we're gonna get off this island."Kate: "How? are you gonna fly that plane?"Sawyer: "Well, no Kate. that plane is nose deep in a clump of trees, the wheels are half buried in drifting sand, hunks of machinery have been pulled out of it, there are vines tangled in the turbines, there's no way to get that thing turned around and if the runway wasn't long enough to land it safely how do you think it could possibly take off? Oh, and the windows in the cockpit have been smashed in. We ain't taking that plane. Nobody's getting off this island in that plane."However, there's a man over there who has a working submarine. Pretty much like the one the Dharma Initiative was using during the three years I was their head of security. So I may not be a trained sub pilot and it might be a good idea if we grabbed someone who actually can pilot the sub at gunpoint and force them to do it for us. but there's no way that planes going anywhere, and the submarine is in perfect running order. So I was thinking, just maybe mind you - feel free to speak up if you have a better idea - I was thinking we just might take that sub."There, see how that works better? Plane, no go, sub, go. When faced with two choices, one of which is impossible, pick the other one.
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John Milton, Paradise Lost.Jules Verne, the Lost World.Daniel Dafoe, Robinson Crusoe.Robert Louis Stevenson, Taken. Oh, wait, that was Kidnapped. My bad, I keep thinking those two words mean the same thing. 8)Where was I? Oh yeah,.. Various Authors, The Bible...
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And maybe he does have training in sub work, he did have 3 years with the Dharma. And, even when the big fight happens, the sub would in reality have a heavily armed crew defending it... so the likelihood of him and Kate taking it at gun point would be a stretch. It's going to be interesting to see how it works out, hopefully it will work out well.
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be careful Vik...i might just TAKE that comment the wrong way brotha lol...
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*sigh*...
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to go with ur cheeseCRIES...
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Or was that fucking Tina Fey? Either way, there's no excuse for that shit!
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ZIIING!
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That's no joke. Palin is a bit of a stretch tho.
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That would be a twist, what if she actually is Sarah Palin in Lost-verse.
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Libby reaches for the elevator button; the man in the ice cream suit does the same and their hands briefly touch.Boone Carlisle, clad in a speedo with a beach towel over his shoulders, carrying the rest of his clothes n a gym bag, emerges from the changing room on a public beach. He bumps shoulders with a man in a light gray seersucker suit. He turns and scoowls like he's going to say "Watch where you're going" but the man's bland innocuous face and shy smile silences him. "Pardon me." says Jacob.We see a rather blatent sign reading "US Olympic Swim Team". From behind we see a stange woman in a wet swimsuit, her short-cropped wet hair tousled. She is signing an autographe to a gentleman in a white linen sit. The camera zooms over her shoulder and we read her signature: Joanna Miller.A Monestary: A man hands a case of wine up to the man in the back of the truck. That man is wearing a rouch faded chambrey shirt with the sleeves rolled up to the elbows. His hand brushes the other man's hand. "There ya go, brotha, that's the last of 'em" says Desmond.Rose Naylor is in a doctor's waiting room. she reaches for a copy of People magazine and the man seated on the other side of the end table reaches fo the same magazine. Her hand lands on his and she pulls it back. "Oh, pardon me." she says and Jacob picks the magazine up and hands it to her.We see the feet and shapely legs of a teenaged girl in a high school hallway. a young man is kneeling to pick up her dropped books and folders, Jacob stands and hands Shannon her books; their hands touch briefly.In ancient Rome Ricardus is in a dungeon bound in chains. The man in the white toga says "I can free you if you'll help me." The swarthy man agrees. Jacob places his hands on either side of the dark-eyed man's face as his chains fall away."The thing I need your help with... it may take a very long time." "I was born to serve." Ricardus replies, and being a slave, that is literally true."Oh my goodness, how long has it been since you've been to a dentist? asked Bernard Naylor. His scruffily unshaven patient smiled up and replied "I'm not sure you'd believe me if I told you."Jacob in white painter jeans and a white wife-beater undershirt is leaning forward, his hands on the roof of a car, as cop AnaLucia Cortez frisks him. "Is this really necessary? he asks. "For speeding, running a stop sign and driving without a license? I think so." She replies with a sneer.A man dressed in torn black rags is on his knees sobbing: his shackles and collar have fallen from him. The man in the white robe places his hands on the man in black's head and tells him "I know you feel helpless and powerless now, but have trust in me and I can give you more power than you can possibly imagine."There you go, I hope you enjoy it." says author Gary Troup, handing a freshly autographed copy of Bad Twin to the man in the rumpled white suit in the line at the bookstore."Can I see what you're drawing?" The other children are running around, tossing a ball or playing on the swings and slides, 7 year old Walter Lloyd is sketching a child like doodle in a notebook. It is of a superhero in tights with swashbuckler boots and gauntlets and a flowing cape fighting a white bear with monsterous long fangs and claws. The man in the white tennis clothes places his hand firmly on the child's shoulder and squeezes it firmly. "You have quite an imagination, young man." The camera linger on the embrace a beat too long, until it starts to feel inappropriate and "pervy". A teacher approaches asking "Can I help you sir? Do you know that boy?" Jacob steps away and beats a hasty retreat.Michael Dawson is driving a battered American sedan. "Hey, you want to go try out that new place they're been advertising, for dinner?" The young boy with the notebook looks up and smiles. "Sure, dad." He has a concerned look, strange on such a young child, and he glances towards his shoulder where Jacob touched him. "Funny thing, I was just thinking about how I'd like to go there." Michael glances down at him and rolls his eyes. "Ooo-wee-oh, the boy with the Po-wah! How about thinking about them giving us some free food while you're at it." The car pulls into the parking lot past a sign that says "Mr. Clucks - Grand Opening.""Two of those number 4 chicken dinners - the biscuits come with that, right? and, what do you want to drink, Walt? Tea okay? Two sweet teas." The plump young Latino teenager behind the counter, his long curly hair bound back in a net, asks "Would you like an order of spicy fries with that? They're free; grand opening giveaway." Michael says "Sure" and stares down at Walt. Walt looks back and shrugs.Another young man in a uniform and paper hat pulls his co-worker aside and reminds him "You don't have to offer the free fries unless they ask for them, Hurley." "I don't know, dude, something about that kid made me think he'd want them. And I asked you to stop calling me that. My name is Hugo."
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Or "penal colony", which is actually two words. Still, a large percentage of the cast of Lost kinda deserves to be stranded on a tropical island if vilating the societal and moral rules against murder have anything to say about it.James "Sawyer" Ford - shot a man in Australia, strangled Anthony Cooper, shot Tom "Mr." Friendly.Kate Austen - indirectly resposible for a friend to die during or following a bank hold-up, caused the trailer her father was in to explode.Sayid Jarrah- Iraqi torturer, killed an Other by breaking his neck with his legs, served off-island as Ben's assassin, after dying and being "claimed" by the resurection pool, killed Dogen and Lennon.John Locke - Provided incomplete information about Boone's injuries allowing him to die, pushed Mikhail Bakunin into Sonar Fence, threw a knife into Naomi Dorrit. Boone Carlyle - his misguided rescue attempt prevented Jack from saving Joanna.Joanna Miller - possible suicide which some feel is morally self-murder.Ana Lucia Cortez - executed jason MacCormick (who had shot her and killed her unborn child), killed Goodwin, accidentally shot Shannon.Michael Dawson - Shot Ana Lucia Cortez and accidentally killed Libby Smith.Nikki Fenandez (and Paolo) - killed her fiance to steal his diamonds.Hugo "Hurley" Reyes- during the Others attack on the beachfront camp, a trap was set; Hurley ran a man over with the bus, presumably crushing him to death. Blames self as jinx for death of elderly relative following his lottery win; blames his "jinx" for meteor stike on Mr. Cluck's location.Mikhail Bakunin- Killed Great and Bonnie, suicide by hand grenade in attack on Charlie Pace.Mr. Eko - a drug smuggling warlord, killed an unarmed man so his brother wouldn't have to, killed a bystander, killed three men threatening to cut his hands off, took his vow of silence after killing two Others.Ben Linus - gassed his father Roger "Workman" Linus, stabbed Jacob, participated in Purge, shot Caesar (one of Ilana's men), strangled John Locke, allowed adopted daughter Alex Rousseau to die, killed Martin Keamy, men in Tunesian desert, etc - many more.Man In Black - kicked dying Jacob into a fire. As Smoke Monster: Destroyed pilot Seth Norris of flight 815, beat Mr. Eko to death, slaughtered Temple Others.Martin Keamy - killed Freighter captain, shot Alex Rousseau, esponsible for explosion of Freighter which killed Michael.Desmond Hume - accidentally killed Kelvin Inman. While he repeatedly saved charlies life, it can be argued that by telling charlie he would die and his false prediction that Claire would leave with Aaron on a helicopter lead Charlie to sacrifice himself.Ethan Rom - killed Scott Jackson (Steve's friend)
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Claire Littleford - abandoned Aaron in the base of a tree - Aaron was saved by James Ford and rescued from the island by Kate Austen and Sun-Wha Kwon aboard Charles Widmore's helicopter piloted by Frank Lapidus, none of whom took Aaron.Sun-Wha Kwon - indirectly responsible for her lover being killed.Jin Kwon - worked as an enforcer for his wife's gangster father but it is not certain if he ever killed - we were specifically shown an occasion in which he did not kill someone he was ordered to.Bernard Nadler - after being told by his wife Rose "You're no Rambo" he participated in trapping the Others during their attack on the beach camp. It is not certainif Bernard fired his weapon or if he hit a target.Jack Shepherd - the character who took an oath to save lives threatened to kill Ben Linus on the operating table. Earlier in time he refused to help Ben as a boy who was shot. Planned to detonate the fuse from an A-Bomb causing untold casualties.
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Shannon Rutherford.Rose NadlerWalter LloydVincent, a dog.Jacob?
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Bonnie's friend was Greta, not "great" -though I'm sure she was quite nice.
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buried Nikki and Paolo alive, accidentally.Not a killer: Frank Lapidus.
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Zack and Emma
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have they confirmed it was cork?
i like fork perosnally.
seems strange flash sideways is meant to end same episode they mention what the island is.
fork fits because the time lines are converging on the island, forks in the road joining, someone had a great little spsiel on here about the island being the centre of some timeline, reality line something which i think would fit too.
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I thought she looked like a cross between Tina Fey and the chick who played Rosslin on BSG.
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Mar 21, 2010 5:03:07 AM CDT
Cuz, the word will be confirmed in the Alpert Episode
by anotherdeadkitten
Widely reported to be Cork, apparently the original riddle appeared with an illustration of a cork popping out or a champagne bottle. If the Island is a cork, does it hold Something in, like he contents of a jug, or keep something from draining out, like the plug in a sink. And is the "it" weird electromagnetic energy, black smoke or nanobytes? Probably not nanobytes.Rizzo - I already apologized for calling the new Lost character named Zoe "tinapalinglasses". Half a day after I mentioned the former candidates name there was a riot inhere, and the next day an article about her new series was at the top of the AICN chart. I blame myself.Zoe (Kendall?) is played by Sheila Kelleyhttp://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/ZoeThe 49 year old vixen has been acting for 23 year years and had starring roles on LA Law and Sisters.http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0445992/
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What? She shot an other (klugh wasnt it?) in the gut, in cold blood, on the ferry dock. She didn't even really need to do it. Yea, she was terrified...but she killed that lady. Sun. Killer.
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are we even watching the same show deadkitten? All of them are killers in one way or another, except maybe Jack. I can't think of anyone he killed right now.
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I love spinach and pizza.
I'm just making the point that there are a heck of a lot of ingredients in Lost and you'd best be a bloody good cook to make it all work even if the individual bits are good.
You'll just have to live with the fact that I don't hate Lost and I don't love it. For me its not like the likes of Deadwood where I'd sit there jaw slightly drooping and absolutely gobsmacked as to the entertainment I was being served up.
Sure Lost has its share of WTF moments but these are built up on some massive credit card bill that says "we'll settle up in terms of an explanation for this little bit of audience joy later". Until I see whether they pay the bill or not I can't say I am entirely won over. -
Sun shot Colleen. But not in cold blood. She warned her.
Don't!
...and, Jack killed the Marshal. So, we are in the tall semantic weeds again. Killed or Murdered? It is, in this Taijitu show, relevant?
I have asked this of Cheif..
Of all the main characters.. of all the.. 'candidates' ..the only one who has not been 'shown', definitively, to KILL, on or off the Island is Jin.
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That was awhile ago, and never really emerged as very important.
Anyway, in slightly more intersting news, Ab Aeterno is scheduled to run for 1 hour and 6 minutes, instead of the regular 1 hour 2 minutes. Four extra minutes for Richard Alpert's story. Will these 240 seconds change EVERYTHING?!?
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Great name for a band.
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...will be the LAX aspect or lack of it.
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She plays Eric Stoltz' wife. Shes still a bit creepy looking.
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When Season 3 was on I had never seen Deadwood, I didn't watch it until just this past year, so she didn't really stick out in my mind at the time I guess. But watching Caprica now its all I can think of. Underneath that posh, sophisticated exterior is a drunken, murderous whore with a heart full of the color.
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There's a black Other with an axe in his gut who might consider Claire a killer. And the implication was there that she had killed more members of the Temple Others because of how scared that guy was to be trapped by her.
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Brannon Braga: Hey, have you been watching LOST? David S. Goyer: Yes, LOST is great. These people have to solve the mystery of why their plane falls out of the sky, and in the first episode there's a polar bear! Brannon Braga: I know. Let's make a show that solves the mystery of why people fall unconscious! David S. Goyer: That's a great idea. Through the medium of television I bet we can really get to the bottom of what makes people fall unconscious. Brannon Braga: If everybody fell unconscious I bet there'd be lots of traffic accidents. David S. Goyer: Yes, traffic accidents. That's good. Very original. But cars. Not planes. Brannon Braga: The plane in LOST was from Australia so what's with the polar bear? David S. Goyer: I know. It makes no sense. It should have been a kangaroo. Kangaroos are from Australia. Not polar bears. Unless it was a koala bear. Except koalas aren't bears. Brannon Braga: Yes that's right. A kangaroo could have got to the island on the plane from Australia. Not a polar bear. That's stupid. As you say, koalas aren't bears. David S. Goyer: See if we were writing a TV show, we wouldn't mix up the bears. We're smart like that. Brannon Braga: Yes. No. Yes. We'd go with the kangaroo. David S. Goyer: Definitely a kangaroo. Brannon Braga: What's up with those flashbacks? Each week LOST does a flashback to the character's lives before the plane left Australia. Man that's so stuck in the past. David S. Goyer: Exactly. Why are all these Americans in Australia? It makes no sense. TV should be in America, not Australia. Brannon Braga: I agree. That way we're not copying anyone. Hey, did you see that cliff hanger they did on LOST? David S. Goyer: The one where Jack and Kate are living back in America and they're not having flash backs at all? And we get a glimpse of the future? Brannon Braga: Yeah. I guess they realised the flash backs were stupid and stuck in the past. David S. Goyer: They should have thought of something original. Like when everyone falls unconscious, they have a vision of the future. Brannon Braga: That's a much better idea. A show in America about people who fall unconscious after a traffic accident and who have a vision of the future after seeing a mysterious kangaroo. David S. Goyer: I bet Damon Lindelof bets he wishes he thought of that! Brannon Braga: Yeah. Batman is so much cooler than Star Trek. Oh, wait... No. I'm right. See. I know way more about how to crash a flying object than he does. David S. Goyer: Yeah. When you crashed the Starship Enterprise, there weren't no survivors trekking round some desert island. Brannon Braga: And those Nolan brothers owe everything to you. David S. Goyer: Back to our original idea about a kangaroo in search of lost time after a traffic accident. Who shall we get to star? Brannon Braga: I hear Dominic Monaghan and Sonya Walger are available. David S. Goyer: Great. Pencil them in. David S. Goyer: Man I really hated those flash backs and that polar bear. Brannon Braga: I know. Kangaroos are much better. What shall we call our show about lost time? David S. Goyer: What about Flash Forward. Brannon Braga: Brilliant idea. What's that you're reading? David S. Goyer: National Geographic. Do you know, it says here, the male kangaroo has a forked penis, because the female kangaroo has two vaginas... Brannon Braga: That's weird. David S. Goyer: Perhaps it's a metaphor.
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Everything? Or at least TRIED to spoil everything?
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Because you don't have any clue as to what the hell you are talking about. When you're that biased, you've already lost.
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...that was published in 1999, does that mean you're an idiot?
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no one tried to spoil. someone said that darkufo had the ending on their site or a video of the end. it was a hoax apparently.
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Hey guys, I'm not the pro from dover here on lost history. I have not watched the series watchbacks or seen most episodes since the weeks they aired or seen any episode more than three times. iI do not have this whole thing memorized and I have to check Lostpedia to get character's names spelled right.I tossed out the list of killers, killers and non-killers to try to generate some non-troll discussion. Sorry if I sound defensive, but I appreciate the corrections.Sun: killed Colleen.claimed Claire: stuck an axe in what's his name.Oddly my recollection of the Island Marshall was that he was severely injured and going todie, and he was suffering. Sawyer offered to euthanize him or "put him out of his misery' but he had a gun with only bullet and failed to execute the guy and in fact made his pain worse. My recollection was that at this point Jack was still observing his Hippocratic Oath to "do no harm" and so did what he could to lessen the Marshal's suffering, but did not actually "pull the plug" (or pillow his face or whatever) him. But, as I say, I could be wrong about that.Then there was that whole season five cliffhanger with the big attack on the construction site where everyone was shooting guns like action heroes; hard to keep track of who killed or tried but missed there.MacFAux: in terms of semantic relevance, for the purpose of this exercise I'm lumping murdered, killed, accidentally killed, manslaughter, caused to be killed, paid someone to kill, been responsible for deaths, etc. Not excusing self defense, defense of another or time of war. Hardline "thou shalt not kill".Obviously Desmond did not kill Charlie (Mikhail did) but did Desmond repeatedly telling Charlie he was going to die make Charlie more willing to sacrifice himself? Slippery slope.I would make an exception for Jack, who no doubt as a surgeon lost patients on the table. Failure in the attempt to save a life is not killing. But with Boone, it was not that he failed to save Joanna, but that his failure prevented Jack from saving Joanna.Mac, interesting point that Jin has not been shown to kill, since he was actually assigned to do so, it seems.I rarely hear of dentists killing people, so unless my recollection of the trap at the attack on the beach is flawed, I don;t think Bernard ever killed anyone.Walt, Vincent, Yi Jeon, Shannon, Rose, Cindy, Zack, Emma - don't think they're killers. Claimed Claire tried to kill Kate over Aaron, but I don't think you can hold Aaron morally responsible for that and call him a killer.Not a complete list, if anyone wants to add any. I'm sure there are more Others who are killers and lots of Losties, Tailies and Redshirts who never killed anyone.The discussion question would be, if Lost is about Good and Evil, does the line between killers and non-killers apply?But the main question is, with all his meddling and fiddling about in people's lives and granting powers, has the late Jacob ever killed anyone?
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when he stormed the Swan site...well at least I think he did. Definitely a couple anyway
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We were shown that gay torture porn scene of Dogen shoving acupuncture needles into Sayid, attaching electrodes to them and shocking him, and branding him with hot metal, and calling it "a test" to determine if he was good and evil.We were shown that claimed Claire has a sear mark on her arm, so presumably she underwent the same 'test'. But we've been told "no more flashbacks" so apparently we won't get to see Dogen torturing Claire. What a rip-off for the BDSM fans.What, phrase that in the form of a question? Um, that sucks?What, too evil?
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he shoots the dynamite and blows up a tent. Its Jin who misses his target
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"John Locke was a good man, better than I'll ever be. I'm sorry I killed him." - Benjamin Linus.Maybe it's not enough to add up the killers; perhaps we need a dividing line for those who've shown sorrow or regret over their actions.Sayid seems steeped n regret. Sawyer seems despondent at least over that wrong man he killed in Australia. Michael regretted killing Libby.Weirdly enough, nice guy Hurley ran a guy over with the VW Microbus during the trap at the attack on the beachfront camp and his reaction was pretty much an exhilarated "Woo hoo I finally got to do something and be a hero!"Is that a key? Which Lost characters are natural born cold blooded killers and which ones show guilt.Hard to keep track when some characters are liars: when NonLocke/MIB says "I'm sorry I had to kill everyone at the Temple" well, I don't really think he is.
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I liked that satirical piece Rosasax wrote. And I'm not a big fan of his work here for the most part. Yes, the premise was flawed, but that doesn't make him an idiot.I watched the enjoyed the two hour FlashForward episode the other night. I forgave the fact that it aired the day after Noh was supposed to be killed and he was still alive as a problem with the hiatus throwing the series off schedule.The fact that they loosely adapted a novel written pre-Lost doesn't change that. That would be like trying to argue that Jurassic Park 2 was of derivative of Jules Verne's The Lost World because the novel was written before the first Jurassic Park movie came out.Honestly, even if it's in the book, can you honestly saw you saw the F/F Kangaroo and didn't think "That's their version of the Lost Polar Bear"? 'Cause I did.
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Storming othertown after sayid got shot in the s5 finale. That was awesome. He went nuts.
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Roy, even if the novel was written Pre-Lost, you can't deny that the show was greenlit and scheduled after, that the name FlashForward is linked to Lost, that the shows share a few actors, some character names, a few common sci-fi elements and so on. F/F's creators and the networks clearly wanted a series that would appeal to Lost fans and develop a cult, to replace Lost after it's departure. I enjoyed the 2-hour ep, but the one hour recap show from last Tuesday really condensed the series and showed how many random elements seem to remind you of Lost.Put it this way, the movie Jurassic Park 2 was extremely derivative of Jule's Verne's The Lost World. You can't deny that by saying that the book came out long before the first Jurassic park movie.I thought that comedy piece by the man with the Rosy Sacks was funny, even if a bit heavy handed and over the top. Create something that funny yourself before you start tossing around insults like idiot, why don'tcha?And honestly, can you say you saw the F/F Kangaroo and didn't immediately think "That's their version of the Lost Polar Bear moment?" 'Cause I sure did.
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Aldo I think it was? But thanks Kitten for trying to take the forum away from the trolls. We need more of that.
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"this joke of just repeating the same incorrect thing over and over again no matter how many times you're corrected, that I just don't get. It wasn't funnny in the first talkback when Olivier Hague was doing it"
'Mind refreshing my memory?
(oh, and I can't wait for the next episode: surely, they'll come up with a great explanation as to how Ilana started as a bounty hunter, then became a friend of Bram's who thought Lapidus might be a candidate, and is now an acquaintance of Jacob's who knows who the last 6 candidates are! I mean, it has to make sense, right? it's not like they're just making the whole thing up as they go, right?) -
He will never see his brothah alive again.
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to let Sawyer and Kate get the hell off the hydra island. Remember when they were being held captive in those cells w/ the bear food? This was also around the time Jack had to save Ben from his spinal cancer. About the fifth or so episode of season three.
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To make it clear, though I would have been happy with six years of the character driven anthology drama we had in season one, I've come along for the journey both to enjoy the trip and learn the destination.Secondly, I'm of the opinion that hopefully the story of Lost will unfold within the material presented on the screen. That is, there may be information contained in podcasts, clip shows, pop-up shows, making-of specials and creator interviews that are considered canon in that they do not contradict the series and may clarify questions or enhance the enjoyment of the series, but those things should remain non-essential to the over-all enjoyment of the series itself.Thirdly, because they are in the business of crafting mysteries and keeping surprises secret, not every word spoken by The Darlton or even the legendary Thajayjay should be taken as gospel.All that said, long time Lost fans will recall a time when it was believed, based on creator interviews, that all mysteries of the show might be resolved by real world practical science. A year of two into the series key science-fiction elements were added, which seemed to alter the shows parameters. Then call it spiritual, occult, supernatural, religious, mythical of, as I prefer, Magickal, elements were added. Some might point to the introduction of Jacob and his Nemesis the Man In Black in the season five finale as the point where the "Here There Be Magicks" sign went up. Others might point earlier to the existence of a Frozen Donkey Wheel capable of moving an Island in space and/or time.Some might trace it back earlier, to the introduction of Ghosts and those who see or hear them.Long time participants in these discussions will remember a time when a certain contingent loved the idea that the Smoke Monster was a mechanical construct, a Security Device built of microscopic NanoBytes capable of being stopped by a Sonar Fence.Now, if we choose to trust a character known or believed to lie, it seems that The Man In Black is just that: a man. A humanoid male from the planet Earth. Though obviously a man with what comic book fans would call super-poweres: shape shifting, taking the form of deceased humans, mind reading and becoming a Black Smoke Monster.DC's Silver Age Green Lantern and other comics derived from it such as Nova and Star Brand were considered science fiction based, with aliens and space travel and so on. However, in the case of GL at least, the core of his mythos is what we'd have to label "a magic ring".With MIB, he says he is not a Djinn in the form of a man; he clains to be a man. Men do not have his abilities, therefore they are not inate. We do not know but can hypothesize that his powers were gifts granted to him; that Jacob may have been his Shazam or Abin Sur.A word about the phrase "suspension of disbelief", a necessity for much fiction and most science fiction and all fantasy (and probably most religions).To the best of our knowledge, when an airplane breaks up in midair, the wing, with engine still running and fuel tank intact, cannot fall from the sky, land on a beach and continue running until it either depletes it's fuel or explodes. But then our friend MacFAux informs us that people rarely survive plane crashes. So in order to enjoy Lost we must employ a suspension of disbelief.Which is not to say that the hard to believe elements will never be explained.We now accept that Lost contains elements of real world science, of science-fiction and of Magick. Accepting this, we can re-examine the series to see which elements fit which labels.If Frank Lapidus overslept and Seth Norris was assigned to fly Flight 815, one of the first things to happen in the episode named after The Pilot was for the smoke monster to seek out the pilot and kill him. Because he did not belong, he was not chosen, he was not a candidate. Perhaps many of the people who died in the crash or from injuries caused by the crash such as broken leg man and The Marshal, did not belong and were not wanted by the Island. Perhaps Joanna Miller drowned herself because The island did not want her. Maybe Gary Troup was on a book signing promotional tour and was not meant to be on that flight but missed an earlier flight.That is all hypothesis and conjecture designed to tie the early deaths of those characters in to the concept of the lists in the cave and the lighthouse and the concept of the candidates.But my main point is this: Troup sucked into a turbine that should not have been running, and Norris destroyed by a 'monster' (or man with monsterous powers) we do not think should exist; Magick.So it is not a matter of the laws of Lost changing from "it's science" to "It's sci-fi" to "It's fantasy". The Magick has always been there, on screen and in front of our faces.The Parameters Have Remained Constant.
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If a turbine jet engine cannot continue running after being torn from it's plane and crashing into a beach - that is, if it is scientifically implausible for it to do so, then that leaves Magick. If a Smoke MOnster is not a NanoByte construction, then perhaps it is Magick.If Frank Lapidus overslept and Seth Norris was assigned to fly Flight 815, one of the first things to happen in the episode named after The Pilot was for the smoke monster to seek out the pilot and kill him. Because he did not belong, he was not chosen, he was not a candidate. Perhaps many of the people who died in the crash or from injuries caused by the crash such as broken leg man and The Marshal, did not belong and were not wanted by the Island. Perhaps Joanna Miller drowned herself because The island did not want her. Maybe Gary Troup was on a book signing promotional tour and was not meant to be on that flight but missed an earlier flight.That is all hypothesis and conjecture designed to tie the early deaths of those characters in to the concept of the lists in the cave and the lighthouse and the concept of the candidates.But my main point is this: Troup sucked into a turbine that should not have been running, and Norris destroyed by a 'monster' (or man with monsterous powers) we do not think should exist; Magick.So it is not a matter of the laws of Lost changing from "it's science" to "It's sci-fi" to "It's fantasy". The Magick has always been there, on screen and in front of our faces.The Parameters Have Remained Constant.
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His wife Colette died Episode 3.2
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Some speculated a few days back that the sickness devolved a person to childish behavior. Well what if instead each person on MIB's team represented a Vice? Claire would be anger or revenge, Sayid selfishness/selfcenteredness since he didn't lift a finger to help save Kate from Claire. Sawyer Lying, Zack & Emma Fear, etc, etc. Team Jacob could even represent Virtues like Ilana would be forgiveness, etc, etc?
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Thanx for joining in the "List the murderers" thread.Do you have any thought on the larger issues? If Lost is about dividing the good from the evil, are all killers equally evil or do we accept that "Thou Shalt Not Kill" is a mistranslation of "Thou Shalt Not Murder" and accept the footnote "except in self defense, defense of another, wartime, when executing a killer or by accident, or when assigning someone else to do it."If paying a hit-person or an a*******ist (let's not open that can of worms) is killing, how is Ben getting Sayid to murder for him different from MIB getting Ben to kill Jacob?It would seem that IF the LA X stories are "happy endings" for some characters, than those resolutions don't seem to be split clearly down the lines of whether lives were taken. Is it whether remorse was shown? Or some other criteria entirely? Or pure chance that given a do-over, peoples lives would simply turn out differently?
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FUCK ALL MIGHTY!! they ACTUALLY DO troll. WOOOOWWWWW....brotha
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AND vikki....see no caps on ur name sir vik....
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dont S-P-E-L-L out certain things if u dont want to *actually* cause people to talk about it....FYI lol...
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I put the word "IF" in ALLCAPS, therefore, I'm an IDIOT LOL WUTZ!?!Lookit, I put the word "I" in ALLCAPS. OOPS, I DID IT AGAIN! When will I never learn?
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I posted a reply to Pa. I hit enter after a post or a log in and it disappears. Does this sound like a virus to you guys? I did download the new firefox a week ago....fuckin frustrating.
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i was talking about ur spelling out abortion. kinda dumb to actually S P E L L it out and THEN hope no one TALKS about it. i was complimenting u and PA. I LIKED YOUR THOUGHTS BROTHA!!! good theories on both ur parts!! WOW u really take things too serious. been trying to keep the peace and be cordial since our last argument...but, oh well. FYI... no caps in ur name VIK...was a friendly joke towards u kinda like a peace offering....
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"long time Lost fans will recall a time when it was believed, based on creator interviews, that all mysteries of the show might be resolved by real world practical science."
Believed by idiots, maybe... I mean, sure, the writers were saying that in interviews, but viewers with a functioning brain knew better than to buy into that BS...
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You walk a think line.
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fuckwad HAGUE is back. let me guess COCKWAD...ur gonna bitch and moan in LONG MULTIPLE PARAGRAPHS right???? well, i fed ur ego i suppose....so have at it with ur "points" and "rhetoric"...and when ur done....GO FUCK YOURSELF...im sure the TB will agree with me...brotha...
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That was my quickly tossed off entry for a competition to explain the significance of the Kangaroo in Flash Forward. I doubt I'll win :-) http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=1231641
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But I seem to have mispoken. You see, I was discussion someone with someone else. I said something happened on the television program Lost, he said it didn't happen. We debated it at rather ridiculous lengths. I let his attitude and name calling get to me so it went on a lot longer than it should have and that was entirely on me.It reminded me of the LA X talkback. But storyofOH never said anything wrong. He expressed a strongly held opinion concerning a turn of events in s single episode of the television series Lost that aired several years ago. It was never clear if that unsatisfactory development made him stop watching at that point or if that was when he simply stop enjoying the series, or if he ever did in the first place. It doesn't matter. Whatever. Some people expressed a different opinion than his, and so he repeated his position. He continued to do so every time anyone offered to address him with a differing opinion. Sometimes he rephrased his ideas or added slightly different details, but it was generally the same point over and over. It was his own opinion and no one is ever really "wrong" about knowing what their own opinion is. The point of comparison was that it got annoying and tedious after a while, although obviously it was simple enough to skip over his multi-paragraph text blocks and those addressed to him. He was not wrong, he simply stated a dearly held opinion and then repeated it to anyone who offered a dissenting thought.And the fellow I was messing with wasn't wrong either, we just disagreed over semantics and technicalities.I'm not here to make enemies. I'm not here to make friends out of people who've treated me like enemies. I've been here 5.5 years, I'll stick around until the end unless I get banned again. Anyone who doesn't like me can skip reading the Vikki and Kitten posts - or feel free to name call or curse me in allcaps all they want. I'm over caring. I'm sorry to see so many long time talkbackers dropping out and the percentage of trolls on the rise, but the AICN talkback is still part of the phenomenon I enjoy about Lost and even if it comes down to me, a few fans and a pool of h8ters, I'll still be checking in now and then. Ir's what I do.
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The conversation really does die on Mondays until the new TB tomorrow. Sucks. Oh well...know why? Richard. Tomorrow. The episode we've been waiting three seasons for! Who. Is. This. Man?
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This is an episode I've so heavily anticipated, with both a sort of optimistic wonderment, and simultaneously a vague sense of fear that it won't or can't be as amazing as all the insane theorizing that preceded it. This truly is our most desperate hour. Help us, Darlton; you're our only hope.I guess that's why it's called a leap of faith...[POOM]
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I downloaded season 1 of Carnivale on Friday. Unfortunately, my willpower was too weak to watch the episodes over time, so instead to cleaning my apartment I watched all of Season 1 on Saturday.
Then I watched all of Season 2 yesterday.
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So I'm taking that to mean you thought it was really really good stuff? Tell me a little about the show, if you dont mind? Just the premise, what makes it so good, etc. It's one of those shows that you hear about here and there from people, but never really caught on or got into "mainstream". I never knew enough about it to seek it out I guess, and I wasn't sure it was entirely worth it the way you know going in from the word of mouth and stuff for shows like Deadwood, The Wire, Breaking Bad, etc. Hook me up with some details my man
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all Lost fans should watch it so they can see where Cuse and Lindelof stole their plots from.
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Up here in the Great White North, Conservatives would love to be able to roll back the 1984 Canada Health Act.
On the other hand, we don't want to go back to the pre-1957 days either.
As an aside, consider this: The Canada Health Act is a mere 16 pages long. Whether you agree with them or not, the principles contained within are pretty easy for most Canadians to understand.
Full Text: http://tinyurl.com/yaen3tr
Obamacare is, what, 2700 pages?
Does ANYBODY understand the actual principles behind how Obamacare is supposed to WORK?!
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I know , I Know! Never got to see it through the first time. Its a lot more charming than my young uncorrupted mind could appreciate back in the day. Its so weird watching shows in a non-widescreen format. Its taking ages to download season 2 though. I’m curious about Carnivale also, I’m a bit put off watching it though as it seems to have been prematurely cancelled before its proper finale and I don’t want to be left hanging like a sap. Does it just stop or does it at least try and wrap things up quickly like that Serenity movie did with Firefly? Btw, I seem to be in the minority when it came to Angel, I thought the ending was like watching a TV show overdose and die on speed or cocaine, but that’s just me. Ha. Endings of TV shows! you gotta love em! ST:TNG is still the king of them all IMO.(pity about the movies afterwards, entertaining a they (mostly)where.)Quantum Leap I liked. DS9 pretty good.BSG mind boggling out-there, and not in a good way, like a bad dream almost. Space Above and Beyond, bittersweet ,liked it in a weird way. If Lost goes the Space:AAB route I would be satisfied enough. Lost is the big one though!! I am getting annoyed the way the episodes aren’t as densely packed with goodies as id hoped. D&L seem to be taking there sweet, sweet time and I’m getting nervous. All the episodes are good but c’mon, if the story keeps the same pace for much longer I’m going to think something wrong. BSG wrong. That’s pretty wrong as wrong goes! Remember the enthusiastic theories on the talkbacks that were knocking about regarding the ending of that show, only to find out the trolls were right all along.
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The real point of my Carnivale post wasn't about the awesomeness of Carnivale, but about how downloading an entire season of a show at once can lead to a "lost weekend".
But I digress...
How to describe Carnivale? Hmmm...
Ok, I'll answer that question with a question. How would you describe LOST without giving too much away?
"LOST is about a group of people whose plane crashes on a tropical island in the South Pacific. While struggling to survive, they discover there's far more to this island than meets the eye. Like polar bears, for example."
Replace "plane crashes on island" with "travelling carnival in dustbowl of the 1930s" and replace "polar bear" with "old time religion". Then add full-frontal nudity and better acting.
That's not to say Carnivale is perfect. Without giving away any spoilers, I think they made a couple of "big reveals" WAY to early in the series. And once particular character is WAY too much of a cliche for my tastes.
But whatever.
Also, you have to resign yourself to the fact that most of the questions the show raises will never be answered, since it was a 6-season storyline that was cancelled after 2 seasons. -
dont want to be right.
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...maybe it would be better to compare Carnivale to Twin Peaks before it jumped the shark than to compare it to LOST.
Thematically and stylistically, Carnivale is much more like Twin Peaks than LOST.
And it has way less dialogue than LOST to boot. LOST really does have a LOT of "talking head" scenes. -
about seeming lack of big reveals/major answers so far in Lost season six: Once you realize that most of the answers are going to be "It's Magick!", how much is there left to say?
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Actually I can see whay they did it the way they did.As I understand (considering I'm usually wrong about such things) Thejayjay and The Darlton and some folks cobbled together this awesomely expensive Pilot that set in motion key elements: mysterious Island, healing properties, "the monster," polar bear, "Others/hostiles".In retrospect it's easy to look back and see that the only way to resolve all the weirdness is with a combination of both science fiction and fantasy.But they didn't want to say that right away, for one thing, the "fantasy island" jokes. More importantly, most of season one involved introducing characters, both on island and through flashbacks. Other than a few coincidental meetings, there was very little magic in their flash-backs. So if you told people "it's a unique blend of science fiction and fantasy" and then delivered a years with of episodes with very little of either, well, imagine the complaints.So they claimed "all can be resolved by real world science." this may be called keeping secrets of being misleading. Or if you really just like bitching about stuff, you could say "lying".But it actually ramped up interest in the show because it got people curious about how they could resolve the mysteries in a "real" fashion.So fans went from "It's like Gorgo, the polar bear is the baby and the monster in the jungle is a giant Kong sized prehistoric polar bear" to 'Well, the smoke creature is an electronic security device made from microscopic NanoBytes." Prople were trying to resolve the magic and sci-fi elements with, well, either reality or plausible near-future sci-fi.They broke it to us gently with stuff like that "Desmond Pilgrim is unstuck in time" jazz that, yes, there was going to be science fiction. Then ghosts started showing up to let us know "yes, there's going to be supernatural elements" By the time the Frozen Donkey Wheel made the Island move/vanish, we were ready for the reveal "Hey, look it was Magick all along, okay?"But they never want all out to "It's all magic, just deal with it." There was still Dharma stations and "sonar fences" (I didn't make that term up, I read it on Lostpedia, but it really seems like it should be "sonic fences", shouldn't it?) and subs and a-bombs and time travel to not only keep us grounded in familiar science fiction territory, but old school '50s science fiction territory.Then, with Jacob and MIB a major theme was introduced, although the themes of black/white and good/evil had also always been there all the way back to the backgammon game and Adam & Eve's remains.Heck, the fact that they used the names Adam & Eve alerted us that the series would at least be touching on either Biblical themes of morality or a popular mail order dildo company. And other than Jughead and the Lighthouse and Bram and the submarines, there haven't been that many dildos on the show.So a lot of what seemed like important questions have fallen by the wayside as the series has evolved. But it makes sense that they kept the lid on the secrets of the Lost evolution along the way. If they came out and called it a sci-fi/fantasy show and gave us a season one with very little of either, that would have semed unsatisfactory. If they told us up front the series was about a demigod searching for a replacement and the nemesis who hated him, and then didn't introduce those elements for five years, people might have gotten impatient (duh, do I think?).So they've peeled the show open layer by layer like a bloomin' onion, and now that we're at the chewy center of the Dharma Pop we can look back, see that a lot of those old onion skins aren't important any more and shrug "Oh, so it was magick all along. Huh. Now I get it."Of course, they have eight more weeks for their next major hat trick, whith is to explain what the heck the SideFlashes are all about. Obviously they still have a few cards up their sleeves. Or more onions.
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"(oh and I can't wait to watch the next episode: surely, they'll come up with a great explanation as to how Ilana started as a bounty hunter, then became a friend of Bram's who thought Lapidus might be a candidate, and is now an aquaintance of Jacob's who knows who the last 6 candidates are! I mean, it has to make sense, right? it's not like they're just making it up as they go, right?)"Are you watching the same show the rest of us are? The show where people keep secrets, even from their friends and relatives? The show where people pretend to be one thing and then turn out to be something else entirely? The show where people rarely give anyone a straight answer, even at gunpoint or after being beaten up or tortured? The show where people are connected in ways even they are unaware of? That's the show we're watching.I guess on your LOST, Sawyer really is a guy named Sawyer. And Mr. Eko really was a priest. And the Others really were scary hairy people who lived in the Jungle without any modern conveniences. And Sun let everyone know right away that she spoke English, because she wasn't keeping it a secret from her husband. And Locke said "Hey Everybody! I Can WALK! I was in a wheelchair when the plane took off! Whoopee!"You see, Oliver, those of us who've been watching the LOST where Ben Linus pretended to be a guy named Henry Gale who crashed on the Island and then told people he was actually born there have realized that when neither of those things turned out to be true that maybe we and the characters shouldn't take things at face value?So when they introduce a character like Ilana this late in the game, we immediately started speculating. And when it turns out she's working not for Linus or Widmore, but for Jacob himself? And when Bram asked her if Lapidus was a candidate: She didn't respond.I don't know if you're a genius, Oliver. I know I'm not. But does it take a genius to figure out that Ilana may know more than she's telling? And that she was always intended to play the role she's now playing? That she's not just some hot chick they hired to play a bounty hunter and then decided to keep around? They really do plan some of these things you know.
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Folk's will tell you that Twin Peaks was awesome when it was based on an ongoing mystery, but that the networth(sic) didn't 'get' it and demanded they solve it, and the show Jumped the undersea carnivore.Well, true. but don't bail once the murder is resolved. some of the later material is quirky for it's own sake or tries to hard to be weird of funny and not all subplots pay off by series end, but it's still worth the trip.Put it this way "bad" Twin Peaks, if there was such a thing, was still better than at least 85% of everything else on TV at the time - and well more then 66% of everything since.Do not miss the ending or skip ahead to it. You need the build to appreciate Lynch's farewell to network Tv.
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Oh, I agree with most of what you said. except... well, don't forget Matty Fox was meant to be killed in the first half hour of the pilot and then tested well, and Benry Galus was hired for two episodes, but his chemistry clicked. I am not and never have been in the "they're making it all up as they go along camp. conversely, I've always been in the "Nobody writes a six year series on spec" camp. You get a concept, draw up an outline, make and sell a pilot, then start writing scripts. And if you don't have an end date sometimes you write episodes that leave the status quo unchanged and talk about some guy's tattoo.Along the way, if the fans go nuts for the numbers you have some wriggle room to write them into cheerleader costumes, odometers, alarm clocks and hotel room numbers. if the fans hate a couple characters, toss out a few ideas you had for them and skip ahead to their burial. if an actress is fired or an actor quits, you adjust and write around it. You plan out what you can and you stay flexible.A dozen years of NYPD Blue was built around Andy Sipowicz's growth and evolution as a human being, leading up to giving him a happy ending. Final season rolls around the the actress playing his third wife up and quits and his entire home life, a major series long thread, has to be downplayed, kinda crippling the final season. See, you have to remain flexible.
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did you know that the scripts for all nine seasons of The Beverley Hillbillies were discovered in Edgar Allen Poe's tomb?
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Count me as one of those folks. Except for Kenneth Welsh's acting, my enjoyment of the show definitely dropped off after the murderer was revealed.
On the other hand, I'm one of those rare souls that actually liked the movie, so what do I know? -
"Are you watching the same show the rest of us are? The show where people keep secrets, even from their friends and relatives? [...]"
Come up with a good reason as to why Ilana would just pretend for all those things, and sure, why not? Good luck with that though.
"does it take a genius to figure out that Ilana may know more than she's telling? And that she was always intended to play the role she's now playing? That she's not just some hot chick they hired to play a bounty hunter and then decided to keep around?"
It doesn't take a genius to see that they changed her role quite a bit.
Just like they changed Caesar's, actually ("“He has an innate intelligence, intensity, and danger we really responded to,” says Lindelof, who declined to specify whether Caesar is good or bad. However, Cuse teases that the character will be playing “an important part of the setup for the final act of the show in season 6.”" ... yeah).
"They really do plan some of these things you know."
Do I know that? From what I can tell, they rarely plan ahead, actually. And they plain suck at improvising.
I mean, come on... They open season 5 with Faraday pretending to be a Dharma worker, and when we do get there, the scene doesn't make sense at all in context. Does that sound like the work of guys who plan ahead?
And VikkiMarsdale:
"You plan out what you can and you stay flexible."
Well, they've been so "flexible" that the show was already irremediably broken back in season 1. That's what you get for not knowing where the hell you're going in a mystery-based show (NYPD Blue this isn't). -
Mar 22, 2010 3:23:23 PM CDT
So what do you guys think of that Fringe Musical thing on the ma
by paburrows
I love Fringe and I love Glee, but I don't think that the two will mix well.
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Pass.
BTW....Miss Torv looked quite delicious in her Esquire layout! Like the fact that she has never burped out loud in front of anyone in her life....and never hear her mom fart.
See? I read the hard hitting articles, too! (Btw...anyone know how to get semen out of a keyboard?). -
Mar 22, 2010 3:42:27 PM CDT
I bet more people read Playboy for the articles than Esquire.
by royston lodge
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I found it to be a show that touches greatness, but it's very uneven. The atmosphere of season one is tremendous, but the pace is SLOW. Then at the start of season two, they drop this insane amount of exposition about the mythology all in one go, which is great, but maybe too much at once, and the tone remains fascinating, but possibly too melodramatic. It's almost like they responded to the criticism that not enough happens to the point people were complaining that too much happens. And then they botched the ending because it can't quite be tied together satisfactorily cause the show got axed when they already had arcs in place. Not that the ending is bad. It just really changes things and you realise it's just getting to where it needs to go. Possibly some of the tonal shifts owed to Ronald D. Moore departing after season one to set up Battlestar Galactica, leaving the creator Daniel Knauf as show runner. But also I think there must have been a change of plan how much story they were going to tell and how quickly. It's a very very good show with a great sense of mood. And it is perhaps the closest any show has come to Twin Peaks with regards to the style and atmosphere and themes. But it's a very uneven show with some frustrating aspects. Yet the whole thing is anchored by a truly great character, Brother Justin Crowe, played by Clancy Brown. I agree that fans of LOST would probably like it a great deal. As goes for Twin Peaks, obviously.
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Mar 22, 2010 4:03:05 PM CDT
I don't like where they went with Brown's character in S2.
by royston lodge
He stopped being "conflicted" and just became "evil". The character was fascinating in Season1 but then in Season2 he was as 2dimensional as an Indiana Jones Nazi.
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...and jammed more of the mythos into season2 than he wanted to cuz he had a good feeling the show was gonna get canned.
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Buy a wireless keyboard and mouse. This way you can sit on the couch.
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But I've still been looking for a Massive Dynamic cameo in LOST's 6th season dammit.
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Btw...anybody know how to get semen out of a couch?
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..............i use my waterpick to get in between the keys.............
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pretty much agree with you but from what I've read the intention was always to have season 2 be more action-packed than season 1. Carnivale was awesome though, if it had ran for the full 6 seasons I have no doubt it would have been a massive hit on DVD. Clancy Brown is brilliant and the whole avatar mythology is so cleverly detailed and epic. The scenes with the tree on the hill and the temple still give me chills thinkin about them 3 years on. The cast was fantastic, each character fully formed and although some of the episodes in season 2 were pretty out-there, it looked like they were really hitting their stride just as it got cancelled.
Crow, I'd definitely recommend it and it does have an ending of sorts. The plan was to have 3 2-season long "books", so season 2 does end one book of the trilogy. But its still a cliffhanger of sorts. I've never really thought about it but yeah, the more I remember the more LOST seems to tread similar ground. -
Mar 22, 2010 8:17:50 PM CDT
So Sawyer wants to get everyone off the island via the sub?
by kevin_costners_recycled_piss
Guess that doesn't include Hurley judging from the size of that entrance hatch.
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.....on Jay and Jack? If so, did he say anythinginteresting?
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In May Fox's entire line-up will be doing musical episodes.the Fringe episode will be hallucinatory, all in Walter's mind. Ought to be a lot of fun.Hugh Laurie's an excellent musician and there are tons of great YouTube clips from "A Touch of Fry and Laurie" so a musical House, MD should be fun.Rumor has it Jack Bauer's cover on 24 requires him to sing karaoke.H could easily see something similar happening on Human Target.The Simpsons and Family Guy musicals are usually fun, I can see that carrying over to Cleveland's show.I'm looking forward to the Bones musical just because I like the characters so much.I'm curious what a Glee musical will be like. As you may not know, the series is not actually a musical comedy - it features characters who sing in context of the show, as part of performances or singing to one another, but not the traditional musical theater style of just breaking into song to forward the story. so that should be different.I really don;t see how they're going to work music into American Idol, though - it seems the antithesis of what the series stands for.
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Also I watch Glee and while many of the songs are them rehearsing, there are a number of times when they do break into song out of the blue just like in a musical. In fact theres even an end song thats usually like a music video.
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Probably too late to post this in last week's talkback, but had a thought.
I think we have been 'misdirected' and/or lied to. Whatever happened to "dead is dead"?
Sayid WAS dead. And now he's alive. Ben (if he wasn't lying) was pretty adamant that 'dead is dead', so we can infer that the water isn't supposed to bring you back to life. And Sayid is apparently alive in the conventional sense, because Dogen thought he could solve the problem with a poison pill. Who is the only other person currently walking around 'infected' and 'claimed'? Claire. Claire, who a lot of people believe died when her house blew up real good. She was nowhere near the temple. So it wasn't the tainted water that infected Sayid. What if it was just him being dead that gave whomever/whatever the opportunity to 'claim' him?(And the only other ones we know to have been infected were Rousseau's team. I believe they were at the temple, but not near the water when they were turned)What does this mean? It means dead is NOT dead. And it means one large shout across the viewing public when the not -quite-zombified hand of NonFakeLocke comes bursting through the sand. [POOM] -
I usually have some vague idea of what MadFaux is on about but over in the Breaking Bad talkback he posted a sarcastic diatribe criticizing that series for it's depiction of dope dealers and cop killers as lead protagonists. I replied there but thought he might be more likely to see it here.to repost:Seems strange that someone who playes an alcoholic Scottish hipster poet on the internet would take such a hard line straight edge anti drug stance.And I've never known you to troll, but it seems like you've never even seen the series. It's the best written, best filmed, best acted drama (ie a non-sci-fi, non-fantasy drama) on American TV and you object on the basis of the subject matter it deals with? There's no way Breaking Bad takes a light hearted, glamorous or approving approach to being a crystal methamphetamine manufacturer (not dealer). It's very dark and tragic.My attitude is that they should legalize the soft or natural psychedelics: cannibus, hashish, peyote, mushrooms, Hawaiian Baby Wood Rose Tree Seeds, Bufo Toad Sweat, etc. I advise avoiding the white powders, heroin and cocaine and lump crack and meth in with the "bad drugs".When I ran for president in '96 part of my platform was to legalize marijuana, strictly regulate it (try to keep it away from minors and off the streets the same as alcohol) and then TAX THE FUCK OUT OF IT and raise the taxes on alcohol, tobacco and all non-nutritional snack foods while we're at it.Really MacF, have you ever actually seen Breaking Bad? Because if you're looking for a series about remorseless killers and sinners being depicted as the good guys, I have a series set on an Island that I think you'd be interested in.
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Errr....I mean, what about Dexter, then?
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Things I don't want to see in the Richard Alpert episode: Richard in chains in the slave hold of the ship Black Rock with the MIB telling him "Someday I hope to meet you without those chains."A 2.2 million dollar special effects scene of the Island rising up out of the sea directly under the Black Rock.Richard putting on eye liner. Richard shopping for eye liner.Richard in an LA X sideflash in a homeless shelter or a coup kitchen and an elderly volunteer recognizes him from having served him or someone who looked exactly like him 20 or 30 years earlier.Richard dressed as a swashbuckler pirate with an eyepatch. Mikhail's eyepatch.Things I would like to see:Richard with a whip and MIB chained to a whipping post, saying "Someday I hope to meet you without these chains."A quick scene of Jacob telling Richard "It's a long story, I'll tell you later."Ricardus in ancient Rome or Greece or Egypt.Jacob telling Richard "You will never die naturally, you will never age, but there is a loophole: you can be murdered. So try not to make any enemies."Richard handing clainedSayid a gun and saying "Do you remember me? I shot Martin Keamy in the back to keep him from killing you. Now there is something I would like you to do for me..."Thing I'm not sure if I want to see or not:NonLocke asking Richard "Do you still have that compass?">p>Richard Alpert and the Tijuana Brass.
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in tomorrows talkback, but probably will: "FIRST!", 86.4% of all posts either by or directed to trolls, the word 'idiot', any post more than half in allcaps, anything about S.Palin or Health Care, over 50 posts debating some minor point in any random third season episode, the return of anyone who made a big deal about leaving the ta;kback to avoid either spoilers or trolls, spoilers (either pre-episode or about future episodes), certain people I could mention who would turn up as if I'd summoned a genie if I named them.Anyone who thinks that Zoe at 49 is too old or too filthy to be smokin' hot sexy.
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Heh heh heh ...
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First means everything. Believe it.
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....IDIOT....ah HA! Touche' brotha...
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have you ever written anything interesting here?
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"FIRST!" means 'I've been waiting for hours for this talkback to go up and in all that time I haven't had a single fucking thought in my head about anything intelligent to say.'
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no, it's "Xombis" - no "e".
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god, u even take playful SARCASM too seriously...damn...
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"the question is Vikki....HAVE YOU??"
Compared to you? Seriously?
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