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Syfy Developing Another BATTLESTAR GALACTICA Spinoff & Two Superhero Series, Bullish On CAPRICA Year Two!!

Published at:  Mar 16, 2010 3:02:32 PM CDT

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From James Hibberd’s exclusive Hollywood Reporter interview with Syfy exec Mark Stern:

The network also is looking to order another “Battlestar”-related project. Details were slim, but Stern said the title would mark a return to the franchise’s space-opera roots.

“We’re looking for other ways to spin off ‘Battlestar’ beyond ‘Caprica,’ ” he said. “That world is so rich. We’re sitting down with (executive producer) Ron Moore and his team. It would not necessarily be a traditional series.”


Stern also sounded bullish about a second season for “Caprica,” which completed principal photography on its first season several weeks ago:

He pointed to the show recently hitting a series high in the adult demographic using Live+7 ratings, drawing 1.6 million viewers and 913,000 adults 18-49.


The same piece indicates Syfy is now developing two superhero series: “Three Inches,” about a team with lame superpowers, and the long-in-development “Alphas.” (Superhero pilots are all the rage this year, with “The Cape” at NBC and “No Ordinary Family” at ABC as well.)

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  • Mar 15, 2010 10:13:03 PM CDT

    Woot!

    by blhotz

    SyFy FTW!

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  • Mar 15, 2010 10:13:41 PM CDT

    HOLY SHIT!!! A series about the Final Five maybe???

    by expert40

    PLEASE!!! Oh please oh please oh please oh please be a series about the Final Five!!!

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  • Mar 15, 2010 10:14:08 PM CDT

    Awesome!

    by pax256

    Lets have a series that bounces around in time a bit... Lets goto earth 1 2000 years before Caprica. Lets goto Kobol and see how far back the rabbit hole goes there. The lets find some stories in earth 2 in the 150 000 years to our day since the arrival of the largely de techified colonists... Myabe the cyons return on occasion... maybe they leave some 'traces' in the last 10 000 to 5000 years before our day. Theres just so much to visit here! :)

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  • Mar 15, 2010 10:15:28 PM CDT

    24 Talkback??

    by nam0krut

    Best episode of the season and the 24 TB is down! Nice going AICN!!

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  • Mar 15, 2010 10:18:51 PM CDT

    It Will Be...

    by mattgil

    A re-imagining of Battlestar Galactica: 1980.

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  • Mar 15, 2010 10:21:14 PM CDT

    A historical perspective is best!

    by pax256

    Id love to see the old cast make comebacks in story threads. Maybe it can be some of the issues some of the colonists look into after they settle on earth2... An episode starts off with an investigation of part of their history as an exercise to see why things went so bad so often in ages past and how they might find a longterm way to avoid it in the ages to come... Or maybe from the perspective of the in head 6 and in head Gaius... man theres just so much to try out here. Sure hope this new series happens! :)

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  • Mar 15, 2010 10:21:59 PM CDT

    24 talkback

    by hercules

    seems to be working fine

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  • Mar 15, 2010 10:24:16 PM CDT

    ...The new series will be about sexbots...

    by yourstepdaddy

  • Mar 15, 2010 10:30:43 PM CDT

    Tired of getting shat on, by Syfy

    by jimmy rabbitte

    I was done before the second half, of the last season started airing; so the last thing I care about is *another* shitty spin-off.

    So 'C(r)aprica' wrapped season 1 a few weeks ago. That means season 2 is only about two years away. Suck it, Moore.

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  • Mar 15, 2010 10:33:09 PM CDT

    How about we travel with the 13th colony?

    by chain

    Let the show center around Pythia.

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  • Mar 15, 2010 10:43:07 PM CDT

    Trying to capture lightning in a bottle

    by xaximus

    And I just don't think they could ever pull it off again (as annoyed as I was with the finale). Caprica is a pale, pale shadow of BSG's greatness. No doubt they'll end up with a shitty space show like Stargate or some other bullshit.

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  • Mar 15, 2010 10:45:32 PM CDT

    They should do a sequel series...

    by mistere

    ...and use "Little House on The Prairie" as a template.

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  • Mar 15, 2010 10:52:12 PM CDT

    "completed principal photography on its first season several wee

    by voice o. reason

    I assume this means the first season won't really be over until the second batch of episodes air in the fall. That won't stop SyFy from labeling the epsiodes before and after the breaks as "season finale" and "season premiere" I bet. So confusing...

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  • Mar 15, 2010 10:55:25 PM CDT

    Ideas for another spin-off...

    by voice o. reason

    It could be about the Cylon War itself, it should be a political show about the early stages of the post-war colonial government, or it could be about the last days of Kobol. That'll be $1 million, please.

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  • Mar 15, 2010 10:59:31 PM CDT

    Just do the Cylon War

    by deathpool

    It doesn't have to be about Adama when he was Husker or whatever, but that's the obvious way to go. Probably too high budget for Syfy.

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  • Mar 15, 2010 11:00:40 PM CDT

    @SyFy on Twitter

    by dustoman

    Craig who posts on the @syfy Twitter account has pretty much said that Syfy is in for the "long haul" in regards to Caprica. That show isn't going to be canceled anytime soon, and showrunner Jane Espenson (@capricaseven) recently posted on Twitter. "We have a plan." If I would guess... that means season two is in the process of being mapped out.

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  • Mar 15, 2010 11:02:03 PM CDT

    Let's make a Space Battleship Yamato series...

    by cc0n99

    Using the FX from BSG people, they should do a live action reimage series based Space Battleship Yamato (Starblazers in US). Even better a Captain Harlock live action series! They should jump on this quick before the Japanese live action film comes out later this year and some studio decides Hollywood needs to make their own version with a huge budget and crappy script.

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  • Mar 15, 2010 11:07:06 PM CDT

    Spin off series are like sequels...

    by weylandyutani

    Overall I think the BSG re imagining was a fantastic series... sure, the final season got too convoluted with the Final 5 and Starbuck's character arc. We never did find out what the hell the one true God was. And I don't care what RDM says, the original in head 6 was not an angel. At the end of the pilot/mini she says to Baltar after the Colonials escape: "We [Cylons] will find you." If she was a guardian angel she would have said "They [the Cylons] will find you." But overall, a series that stands up with Deadwood, The Wire, and Homicide: LOTS as a strong point in TV history. The good far outweighs the bad.

    As for Caprica, while I see a lot of work has gone into the show, the series lacks a clear story thread and characters don't have strong (motivation oriented) story arcs. I find this frustrating since I think there is a great series trapped in that mess. They should drop the teen angst garbage... it's boring and does not play well with the corporate intrigue and philosophical questions about the nature of consciousness.

    I can only guess that a new BSG based series would stray even further from the tight story lines and clever characters we saw in the first couple of seasons of BSG.

    I hope I'm wrong.

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  • Mar 15, 2010 11:07:15 PM CDT

    "God did it" is as bad as midiclorians. Bad writing.

    by stereotypical evil archer

  • Mar 15, 2010 11:21:24 PM CDT

    Spin-off should be a porn starring all female BSG cylons

    by bubbadestructo

  • Mar 15, 2010 11:24:40 PM CDT

    I'm really busy

    by mockingbuddha

    but I love watching my tv, so they should really change it to Live+40 to make sure to include me and all other teachers with kids who also don't like to watch very many of the same shows as their wives. My main time to watch tv is like at 6 am Sunday morning when wife and kids are asleep, but I'm still used to being awake and can't sleep. But I usually fill that time watching Smallville, (which I call mornings with Chloe, but let's not delve too deeply into all that) because my wife and kids think Smallville is just a piece of shit. At least my boy likes Caprica because sometimes the robot turns into a girl in a very short skirt.... Or Maybe they shouldn't include me in the ratings at all since I'm one of the 50% that fast forwards the commercials. Speaking of that, I can't believe that 50% of digital video people don't fast forward the commercials, I mean WHAT THE FUCK ARE THEY THINKING? I for one promise to make an effort to stop drunk blogging. Later. Oh yeah and GIANT SQUID!!!

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  • Mar 15, 2010 11:25:39 PM CDT

    Re:Stereotypical Evil Archer

    by rendell

    Hmmm is it really or is it simply you don't like a non-atheist perspective intruding into your sci-fi?Chill out!

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  • Mar 15, 2010 11:26:02 PM CDT

    Again...stop making more superhero TV shows...

    by superhero

    You're giving me a bad name!!!!

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  • Mar 15, 2010 11:44:03 PM CDT

    Is the "heroes with lame powers" thing played out yet?

    by vomitousmass

    Flaming Carrot, Mystery Men, The Tick, Defendor... Soon there will be more "lame"-by-design superheroes than the old variety with the superpowers you can use. It's funny, but should it be an entire genre?

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  • Mar 15, 2010 11:50:24 PM CDT

    Can't do it.

    by catvutt

    It was a struggle sticking with BSG through the final season. Didn't watch The Plan. Can't imagine watching Caprica. Sorry, franchise. You dead now.

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  • Mar 15, 2010 11:53:55 PM CDT

    spin off

    by wolverine's dad

    Have the Centurions come back, set it in 2020 or so.

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  • Mar 15, 2010 11:58:53 PM CDT

    Honestly, what is the point?

    by mapman

    I mean where can you go? The Colonials land on ancient earth and become our ancestors. The 2nd generation Cylons are set free. Caprica is handling the Cylon back story. So what is there left to make a series about? One assumes that a new BSG derived series would have to be about Colonials and Cylons. So, a series about the Earth the Final Five came from? I could maybe see new 2 hour movies like "The Plan" and "Razor" but let's be realistic - they are beating a dead horse.Why not reimagine something else like Buck Rogers or Starman? Or *gasp* imagine a brand new original series?

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  • Mar 16, 2010 12:12:54 AM CDT

    BSG is dead to me.

    by smokingrobot

    As is Ron Moore. 'God did it'. 'They're Angels'. Let's doom ourselves and our children and our entire culture to a slow, meaningless death'. WORST SHOW ENDING IN SCIENCE FICTION HISTORY.

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  • Mar 16, 2010 12:14:32 AM CDT

    Please be First Cylon War, please please please

    by bullet3

    It would be like the best episodes of BSG, stuff like Resurrection Ship and Razor. They'll never do it of course, it would probably be too expensive.
    If they did though it would be fucking awesome.

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  • Mar 16, 2010 12:18:16 AM CDT

    All I have to say is

    by pitofbenders

    sweeeeet........

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  • Mar 16, 2010 12:18:22 AM CDT

    Maybe Apocalyptic Caprica?

    by cc0n99

    Could be possible to tell the story of a Apocalyptic Caprica or preferably another planet where a human resistance is still fighting enemy Cylons that were abandoned and never aware of the Cylon Civil War. It would be more Terminator 4 (but good) then BSG.

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  • Mar 16, 2010 12:22:23 AM CDT

    Yeah, enough with the spoofing of superheroes.

    by kenny38606

    It's one thing for a comic book to do it, as the comic book genre is over 70 years old.But the superhero movie boom is barely 10 years old.Let's get a lot of serious films and shows out there before we start making fun of them.

    Sci-Fi/SyFy has proven it can make quality shows with BSG and Caprica.It they really tried, they could make some really good superhero series.Get some comic book writers involved.I think a comic book type series could survive longer on a smaller network like SyFy than it could on NBC or ABC.

    Look at what Smallville is able to pull off when they bring in Geoff Johns.Well, SyFy needs to get a hold of some of those guys and make a show.

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  • Mar 16, 2010 12:36:22 AM CDT

    scary cylon gods and the morons who don't understand them

    by zedul

    If you actually watched BSG and paid attention you wouldn't have to talk out of your ass and blather. Head 6 claims to be an angel sent from the cylon god at least half a dozen times in the first season alone. Furthermore there is a VERY important scene where there is a discussion with the priest about who the Cylon god really is, that he was one of the Lords of Kobol and that he started the original civil war by going against the rest of the gods which led to the 13th tribe leaving Kobol (the first exodus). This conversation caused head 6 to flip out and claim it was all lies but we could see by her reaction there was some truth to it. As with any great story with a dense mythology the end of the book won't make any sense if you DIDN'T FRAKKING PAY ATTENTION to the beginning of the book. I understand that most of you have your heads buried in video games, dope, and porn so you aren't exactly sharp on the uptake or expected to catch all the little nuances of the story. That only the "blowing shit up" part of BSG appealed to you. I for one enjoyed the pantheistic vs monotheistic spiritual nature of BSG just as I enjoyed the whole Prophet-Pah Wraith storyline in DS9 which was robbed from the Vorlon/Shadow storyline in B5 which was in turn taken from the Order and Chaos war (Donblas vs. Arioch) in the Elric Saga. This dualistic spiritual vibe has been going on since the beginning of Sci-Fi Fantasy. But since most of you don't have the attention spans to ever sit down and read novels, or explore any facet of myth and religion - I understand that you just "didn't get" the latter seasons of BSG. See in order to fully appreciate it you would have to be a long standing fan of all these things that Moore is deriving his work from - not to mention the weird ass 70's chariot of the gods/mormon vibe that Larson originally built into the series. All you know is what you have been raised on through neo-liberal and neo-conservative "blurb education". Meaning "Grunt say this philosophy good, or this philosophy bad." Nothing profound, deep, or resonating is ever going to seep into your empty heads outside of simple fight club existentialism. Do I sound condescending? I hope so. Reading these talkbacks for the last year has really been an eye opener. I think there are less than a dozen of you I could ever stand in a room with. I've never met such a collection of hateful, ignorant, whining, foreverunhappy, resentful, ungrateful, miserable, pathetic, do-nothing, impolite, idiots in my entire life. In the last decade you have had the best television and sci-fi shows of all time piped to your lucky asses for free. I mean you are watching television shows that are higher quality than many of the big budget movies we got in the late 60's, 70's and 80's and all you can do is bitch, whine, and complain about it. You wanna cry in your beer about the last episode of the fourth season of BSG? Why don't you try sitting through the last episode of the 2nd season of Space 1999 and realizing that's all the sci-fi you are going to fucking get on tv for the next half decade! You don't like Lost? All I got growing up was fucking Ike Eisemann, Roddy McDowell running around an island with rubber trees trying to defeat a silly putty brain in plastic dome! I hate you spoiled ass brats and your endless moaning, bitching and complaining about stuff that is FAR TOO GOOD for you. So frakk off. I am going to enjoy the hell out of Caprica, Fringe, SG:U and any other good Galactica stuff they wanna send my way. You don't HAVE to watch it or waste your do-nothing lives blogging about how much you hate it.

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  • Mar 16, 2010 12:51:03 AM CDT

    Zedul

    by cartman86

    It just seemed sort of evil and sad for our characters to be subject to this God who can't really communicate his message clear enough to stop this useless war between robots and humans. Either God is evil or he is incompetent. And either way the show didn't deal with either. IF the show had made the ending depressing then I might have been fine with it, but as is it didn't quite work for me.

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  • Mar 16, 2010 1:06:51 AM CDT

    Right on Zedul!! Wrong Cartman86...

    by hairy nutsack

    Zedul was spot on, it wasn't "God" in any sense of our word for it. Whatever a Lord of Kobol was/is, a Lord of Kobol is not a god or God. In the very finale people bitch about Head Baltar says "it" doesn't like to be called God.
    But more to the point, I continue to maintain that "god" did nothing except offer the Colonials and the Cylons choices, which is exactly what this show is about...choices! Bill Adama said as much in his farewell speech to the Galactica in the mini, essentially telling us that our bad choices frequently come back and bite us in the ass.

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  • Mar 16, 2010 1:10:05 AM CDT

    Continued...

    by hairy nutsack

    If Caprica continues on as it has then I think we are seeing exactly what "god" is. Tamara Adama becomes the anger that burns in the "souls" of the Cylons whereas Zoe Greystone becomes their conscience. The Cylon god is quite possibly some sort of blending of the incredibly advanced AI created by Zoe Greystone.

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  • Mar 16, 2010 2:00:56 AM CDT

    There are many opportunities for a great spin off

    by nohubris

    ...such as the Lords of Kobol, the 12 tribes trek from Kobol to the colonies, the 13th Tribe's journey from Kobol to Earth, the final five's trip from Earth to the colonies or better yet IMHO, having certain members of the old crew getting called back into action from Earth to fend off a new threat Cylon or other.

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  • Mar 16, 2010 2:28:39 AM CDT

    It's been over a year...

    by shogunmaster

    Time to just reboot it from scratch like they do with everything else...

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  • Mar 16, 2010 2:34:13 AM CDT

    THESE SERIE WILL MAKE MILION OF DOLAR!!!1!

    by dickballsworth

    Whare are some tits in the show!!

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  • Mar 16, 2010 2:34:33 AM CDT

    Hairy Nutsack

    by weylandyutani

    Interesting idea. RDM should hire you as show runner.

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  • Mar 16, 2010 2:46:18 AM CDT

    Zedul

    by weylandyutani

    Actually, In-Head-6 saying she was an "angel sent from God" was, at the time, intended as a facetious remark by the character. RDM (and the series writers) were not sure what 6 was. It was only half way through season 3 did Moore decide what to do with the In-Head-6 story arc - this is about the same time that they decided they had to do something about the missing Cylons and concocted the Final 5. He has stated this in several interviews and I believe in a podcast or two. Basically, they reviewed the material to date and decided "well, she has already stated she's an angel... what if she is what she said she is?"

    That is different than writing a character from the outset. The idea was shoehorned in.

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  • Mar 16, 2010 3:04:03 AM CDT

    Bullish= Dvd Sales

    by cadderly99

    they make money, season 2 if not, so sorry.

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  • Mar 16, 2010 3:07:59 AM CDT

    MUFFIT THE SERIES

    by cadderly99

    you know , for kids.

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  • Mar 16, 2010 4:04:26 AM CDT

    Blame heroes for the superhero shows

    by ahdvd

    With heroes they showed how a superhero live-action series could work, then screwed it up so now everyone wants to chip in.

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  • Mar 16, 2010 4:30:49 AM CDT

    spend the money on new eps for Caprica

    by newc0253

    fast turning into one of my favourite shows on tv.

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  • Mar 16, 2010 4:48:23 AM CDT

    Now They're Just Straight Up Gang Raping The Dead Horse

    by laserpants

    Apparently flogging it wasn't enough. Let. It. Go.

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  • Mar 16, 2010 5:40:04 AM CDT

    Does the "traditional series"

    by thegoldbergv

    in the quote imply it could be a miniseries? Because a BSG miniseries either called The First Cylon War or The 13th Tribe could be really good. Think about it, 13th Tribe leave Kobol, travel on ships, hunted by the other 12 tribes (oh the irony), land on the algae planet, build a big temple, discover some huge mythical force that allows them to resurrect Starbuck 2000 years in the future. Or something. More BSG and a tie in to the finale so the "God did it" retards get some sort of rebuttal. I'd watch that

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  • Mar 16, 2010 6:13:02 AM CDT

    Mark Stern is so creative

    by snowpuff

    He really "gets" what Syfy viewers want. He is always surprising me with his programming choices.

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  • Mar 16, 2010 6:18:18 AM CDT

    Just don't do another pointless TV movie

    by thegoldbergv

    like "The Plan". Man, that sucked. And I'm a massive BSG fan. Of all the stories they COULD have done for a spin off movie a 'lets see insignificant bits of seasons 1-2 from the eyes of Cavil and other cylons' was the worst choice possible. The only good thing about it was they finally gave Simon the cylon something to do other than sit around and say "We Agree"

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  • Mar 16, 2010 6:28:25 AM CDT

    Caprica is growing on me

    by itchy

    Yeah it's a little slow ... but it's still better than 95% of the other crap out there. And Zoe Greystone makes my pants tight.

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  • Mar 16, 2010 6:44:52 AM CDT

    No clue

    by dazzler69

    what Caprica is trying to do. Should just be a one season idea and move on to other storylines. I want to see more space stuff. Cylon wars would be great.

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  • Mar 16, 2010 7:05:59 AM CDT

    A word to SyFy.

    by hint_of_smegma

    Unlike the evidently mentally challenged on this talkback who rail against it, I am of the opinion that more of Galactica's universe is a good thing. But for fucks sake, if you want success with another spinoff, make it about the original Cylon war, or make it about other colonial military survivors of the Fall of the Colonies because there's Bo fucking way there weren't other surviving Battlestars or whatever - two thirds of the fleet were still fighting and active according to the miniseries when Adama bugged out. There's plenty of opportunity either way but give us what we want to see - Battlestars kicking ass, colonial military intrigue and mechanical cylons. No final five, no angsty teen naffness and no Katee bloody Sackhoff. Heck, throw a spanner in the works about Adama and Galactica, show there was a whole group of Battlestars and colonists who survived, making the Galactica's journey, and our creation, a bad choice on his part.

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  • Mar 16, 2010 7:53:56 AM CDT

    SyFy thinking of BSG anthology series?

    by frodofraggins

    A BSG related anthology series with short term independent arcs? That's my only guess for something other than a traditional series.
    They could use various characters and different time periods to tell tales in that universe. That would mean no regular cast.

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  • Mar 16, 2010 8:12:33 AM CDT

    I'd love to see the first Cylon War

    by asimovlives

    Would be nice to see humans versus the first type of Cylons. And to see the untold stories of that war, and where reality clashed with the myths made of it after the event.

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  • Mar 16, 2010 8:17:07 AM CDT

    Ronald D. Moore is leading a SF revolution

    by asimovlives

    He's spearheading adult themed SF with mass appeal. He's fuinally showing that you can have adult Sf that's also adventurous and exciting and entertaining, without making concessions to stupidity, demographics and audiences minimum common denominator preocupations from uninterested executives.I'd like to see a front assault of smart adult SF lead by Ron D. Moore, Duncan Jones, Christopher Nolan and Neill Bloomkamp, and it all making mince work and devastate the retard juveline bullshit made by the likes of Michael Bay, JJ Abrams, Roland Emmerich and Paul WS Anderson and the like. A real SF revolution.And can somebody give Star Trek back to Ron D. Moore, please?

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  • Mar 16, 2010 8:49:05 AM CDT

    Mark Stern is a programming genius

    by snowpuff

    The decision to end BSG after four seasons but then greenlight Caprica shows just how much thought he puts into his programming plans.

    Plus he always has his pulse on what viewers are talking about on boards like these. It's not like they pretty much ignore everything their most loyal fans want.

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  • Mar 16, 2010 8:59:50 AM CDT

    BSG's Ending is Awful...

    by judge briggs

    On par with Seinfeld's exit.

    Reply to Talkback

  • A strange idea, I know, but how about a superhero series that features a straight, traditional take on superheroes? You know, secret identities, costumed heroes and villains, intergalactic threats and so on without any sense of cutesy postmodern irony thrown in. Now THAT would be an original concept!

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  • Mar 16, 2010 9:18:56 AM CDT

    CYLON REALITY TV

    by mullah omar

    That's the quality of programming I expect from SciFi these days.


    Count me as one of the camp that wants a badass WING COMMANDER-style series about the First Cylon War. You know, the same winning style BSG had for most of its first 2 seasons.

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  • Mar 16, 2010 9:42:36 AM CDT

    BSG's ending is only 'lame' to the immature

    by performingmonkey

    People keep going on and ON about getting an 'adult' show, well Galactica ended in a very adult way IMO. Turns out a lot of you wanted it cheesy and childish with explosions instead of character.

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  • Mar 16, 2010 9:52:35 AM CDT

    Btw, What's A "Siffy?"

    by laserpants

    And what does it signify?

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  • Mar 16, 2010 9:53:46 AM CDT

    Great. Several Retreads Of THE GREATEST AMERICAN HERO

    by laserpants

    De-evolution is very real.

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  • Mar 16, 2010 9:55:27 AM CDT

    An Advanced Civilization Throwing It's Hospitals Into the Sun?

    by laserpants

    Mature? Or stupid to the point of embarrassing?

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  • Mar 16, 2010 10:06:54 AM CDT

    As Stupid As That Ending Was, However...

    by laserpants

    BSG Redux is EASILY one of the top 5 best sci-fi series ever made. That it flew off the rails and climbed up it's own ass is unfortunate, but not a dealbreaker.

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  • Mar 16, 2010 10:09:52 AM CDT

    How The Ending COULD Have Worked

    by laserpants

    They land on Earth, keep their advanced technology and create the majestic city of Atlantis; a city which, tragically, according to legend, was destroyed leaving no trace of their technology. So easy! And it name checks mythology and everything. Of course, that's hokey too, but NOWHERE NEAR as hokey as what we got.

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  • Mar 16, 2010 10:11:26 AM CDT

    Remember Scifi is cheap

    by inactionman

    I expect a Kung Fu/Highway to Heaven type show where the colonial survivors stop at a new primitive Earth village each week and help out. Due to their advanced knowledge and skills the primitive Earth people treat them as "Gods."

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  • Mar 16, 2010 10:22:23 AM CDT

    Final5?

    by ravex

    yes, please.

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  • Mar 16, 2010 10:23:52 AM CDT

    WAIT, DIDNT SCI-FI pull the plug, becuase of costs?

    by idrinkyourmilkshake

    So, now they wish to continue mining the show's premise??? huh?

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  • Mar 16, 2010 10:32:29 AM CDT

    Won't anyone take my bait and ask me if I am smoking crack?

    by snowpuff

  • Mar 16, 2010 10:38:32 AM CDT

    Sorry monkey, there were 'sploshuns, it still sucked.

    by billyeveryteen

    Can't wait for "Galactica survivors present Hee-Haw!".

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  • Mar 16, 2010 10:44:19 AM CDT

    James Callis why are you wasting your career?

    by thewaqman

    The dude played such a good slimy bastard as Baltar in BSG. And now he's making substantial appearances in shit like Flash Forward and Eureka. WTF!!? This guy should be pushing hard for the role of Littlefinger in Game of Thrones. OR come in some HBO series at least.

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  • Mar 16, 2010 11:03:39 AM CDT

    They should make a Live Action ROBOTECH series

    by prometeo

    Has all the elements you want in the formula to make it successfull.
    The young, handsome and cute protagonists, elders with knowledge and gravitas, a complex enemy, sociopolitical undertones, armageddon, big robots, love triangles, pop idols, cool mechas, revelations, several side characters, an established fanbase... and already two potential spinoffs! What more could you want?

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  • Mar 16, 2010 11:25:04 AM CDT

    Why Make A Live Action Macross When We Have The Anime?

    by laserpants

    Whoever got it into their heads that live-action is in any way superior to animation?

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  • Mar 16, 2010 11:29:24 AM CDT

    "God did it"

    by frozen01

    If this is REALLY the only message you got from the end of BSG, you lack serious amounts of imagination, my friends. There are tons of unexplained happenings in real life. Just because we don't know the answer doesn't mean it's the hand of god. Same thing for BSG. Oh, the CHARACTERS are going to think that these are the actions of their God. What do you expect? When something is misunderstood or mysterious, people tend to fill in the blanks... and if they're religious, they'll fill in the blanks with their god. Just like real life, that doesn't mean an actual god did anything. It just means people like to delude themselves. Starbuck could be explained by hallucinations, time traveling, or something else that science just can't explain at the time. It doesn't have to be God.

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  • Mar 16, 2010 11:29:33 AM CDT

    I've thought about it more, and have a bit more hope

    by xaximus

    Although it goes against the spirit of what BSG was meant to be, the only way I can envision a successful return to the BSG space opera is by way of some sort of intervention... such as time travel or another dimension or even by supernatural means (although I'm pretty disillusioned with the supernatural elements in BSG). It's not elegant, but would still be better than any sort of spin-off. It's the only way around BSG's "beginning, middle, and end" that I can think of.

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  • Mar 16, 2010 11:31:25 AM CDT

    Waqman

    by johnny smith

    My thoughts exactly. Hell, it'd be totally awesome if he was cast in The Walking Dead, Hung or Mad Men. Katee Sackhoff, meanwhile, belongs on Sons of Anarchy.

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  • Mar 16, 2010 11:33:48 AM CDT

    Isn't The Idea That Earth People Will Make The Same Mistakes?

    by laserpants

    That's what I took away from the end. That, present day Earth, our Earth, is on the verge of creating AI which will destroy them all. Again. The cycle repeats itself.

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  • Mar 16, 2010 11:35:33 AM CDT

    Although I will agree

    by frozen01

    that the whole throwing your technology away thing was stupid as hell. THAT'S the part that I find hard to believe... that they actually convinced everyone that the way to prevent the whole Cylon thing from happening again was to just toss all your technology away. That works for a two-week camping trip, not FOREVER.

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  • Mar 16, 2010 11:39:21 AM CDT

    LaserPants

    by frozen01

    Yes, that's correct. Hence the whole "present time" scene at the very, very end. The events of BSG were not the first time it happened, and it would not be the last. Civilizations rise, civilizations fall, and are replaced by new civilizations that repeat the process over and over and over again.

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  • Mar 16, 2010 11:42:54 AM CDT

    Oh, and

    by xaximus

    it would also provide an opportunity to right (or explain away) some of the wrongs made with the finale. Still, I doubt we're going to see anything of the sort... they'll probably end up doing another pre-BSG prequel in space, or even come up with another Battlestar that never came into contact with the Galactica.

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  • Mar 16, 2010 11:43:06 AM CDT

    I'm An Atheist And I Wasn't Bothered By The God Thing

    by laserpants

    And I don't think there's anything in the show that says god did it. Some characters think it's god, some don't. Just like real life! But with hot asian robot ladies.

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  • Mar 16, 2010 11:50:32 AM CDT

    Zedul

    by frozen01

    I'd just like to add to your rant that even I, who did not live through all those shows (I'm 27 and did not get to watch much TV when I was young anyways), never understood why people bitch about the lack of quality in TV today. Yes, reality TV sucks and it's horrible that really good shows like Firefly get canned yet those behemoths drag on and on. But the fact that we got Firefly in the first place is pretty amazing. When you add shows like BSG, House, X-Files (going back just a tad), Fringe (not a fan, but I see the appeal), Lost (ditto), Heroes (double-ditto), The West Wing, True Blood, The Tudors, Dexter, Mythbusters (technically reality TV), Caprica (yes. This is probably my favorite TV show right now.), Supernatural, and so on and on and on... we really have no reason to complain. The complexity and quality of these shows would have only been seen in your local cineplex ten years ago.

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  • Mar 16, 2010 11:52:06 AM CDT

    Isn't it almost time for a BSG reboot?

    by wickedchicken37

    Make Apollo a midget and Starbuck a ferret.

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  • Mar 16, 2010 11:54:18 AM CDT

    LaserPants

    by frozen01

    Same here. I'm an atheist, and I wasn't bothered at all. Like I said, just because the characters thought it was their god doesn't mean it was.
    *LOL* Coincidentally, I'm working on a project (I make custom murals for a living) in which the customer chose a quote for their wall that applies very aptly here: "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." - Aristotle

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  • Mar 16, 2010 12:42:19 PM CDT

    Red Stripe

    by batjac

    Should do a continuation of the series with the Red Stripe Cylons and their half base ship as they retake the cylon empire from the skin jobs. COuld even have human allies since their beef is now not with the humans

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  • Mar 16, 2010 12:44:41 PM CDT

    The ending of BSG has big BALLS!!

    by asimovlives

    Damn coragous, unappologetic ending. Either you like it or not. No middle ground cowardly pussy ending. No atempt to kiss the ass of the audiences at all. That's how you do it! It makes me laugh the pussies who are so upset and distraught with BSG's ending. You wanted something more banal, mroe mundane, with more Michsel Bay explosions and JJ Abrams teen melodramatic bullshit? I bet you lot who hated BSG's ending you went compeltly gay ass on JJ Abrams' FRAUD TREK, didn't you? You loved that bullshit, didn't you?BSG's ending is the type that seperates the men from the pussie assed little boys. You know where you stand.

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  • Mar 16, 2010 12:49:24 PM CDT

    AsimovLives

    by laserpants

    You had no problem accepting that an advanced race of people on the verge of extinction would agree, in unison, to throw all of their hospitals and technology into the sun? Really?Don't get me wrong, I LOVED (most of) BSG, but that aspect of the ending was unbelievably stupid.

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  • Mar 16, 2010 12:49:42 PM CDT

    "oooh, i didn't liekd BSG's ending, it's too uncomventional"

    by asimovlives

    "It doesn't play totally by the rule book of hack filmmaking!"Booo hoo fucking hooo!!!! What the fuck can't you intellectual midgets don't understand about BSG's ending? What college course you need to take to get it? It's ironic in the extreme that some kind of people call that ending stupid. The irony is so thick, one would need a chainsaw to cut through it. BSG's ending is the type of thing that makes that show truly the great show that it is. no pussification there. If you find BSG's ending too distressful and uncool, then leave adult Sf to the adults,and go watch some childish bulshit crap made by Michael Bay, it's more of your liking. BSG is for real men and real women. Little girly boys can go fuck off elsewhere, there's nothing for you here.

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  • Mar 16, 2010 12:53:52 PM CDT

    LaserPants

    by asimovlives

    You know why i didn't had a problem with that? Because i watched the fucking show! I actually payed attention to the whole show, and i payed attention to the dialogues. It's not really that fucking hard to understand the actions of the people at the end of the show. Did you actually even watched the show? It's not that terribly hard to understand what went on with tha,t you know? It's pretty easy, even. Do i need to make a drawing to explain?If your deal is not that you didn't understand but that you didn't accepted, then that's your problem. As Katie Sackoff said to those who couldn't accept her as Starbuck, "deal with it".

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  • Mar 16, 2010 12:54:44 PM CDT

    Oh Asi, remember when your posts were well reasoned?

    by billyeveryteen

    Yea, me neither.

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  • Mar 16, 2010 12:55:27 PM CDT

    Caprica is boring

    by megabeth

    I gave up on it after three episodes. Hopefully any new series will be a little more interesting.

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  • Mar 16, 2010 12:57:37 PM CDT

    The pussification of geekdom

    by asimovlives

    Geekdom is so pussfied now that they can't handle a truly unexpected and unconventional ending to BSG. Years ans years ago, any geek worth his salt would had been enthralled and amazed and gratified with BSG's ending. but becauze this is the ERA OF PUSSYNESS, when geeks are now girly emo pussy ass bitches, who eat up all that shit made by michael Bay and JJ Abrams an ask for seconds, they can't handle an ending like BSG anymore. fucking pussies! Pussy ass geekoids like this makes me ashamed of being a SF and movie geek! Fuck's sake!! What a fucking disapointment you lot are! Go masturbate on your LOSt action figures or whatever the fuck you like to do!

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  • Mar 16, 2010 12:59:27 PM CDT

    Billyeveryteen

    by asimovlives

    They are reasonable. They are agressive too, as merit in dealing with crass stupidity. If you can't find the reason behind my posts, the fault is yours. Sucks to be you. Go suck JJ Abrams's dick or something and leave reason to those who actually understand anything about it. Which you don't.

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  • Mar 16, 2010 1:00:49 PM CDT

    If you don't like BSG's ending...

    by asimovlives

    ... go watch TRANSFORMERS, more your type of deal.

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  • Mar 16, 2010 1:01:45 PM CDT

    Being "That Star Trek psyco" doesn't help...

    by billyeveryteen

    Make most of what you say irrelivent.

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  • Mar 16, 2010 1:03:32 PM CDT

    Wow! It'll be like Syfy's new Stargate property!

    by kells

    Except, of course, that Stargate sucked the big wang in every iteration. Still, Syfy has no stones at all when it comes to testing new ground for original series. Grow some balls, Syfy...go deep, go risky, and stop giving us warmed over shit instead of conquering new territory.

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  • Mar 16, 2010 1:07:14 PM CDT

    TheWaqman...

    by kells

    Love the idea of Callis as Littlefinger, by the way...who the hell IS playing Littlefinger? They've cast all the other roles but not that one?!? They've written the character out?!? In my reactionary fashion, I've been cheering for Littlefinger throughout the series. Slimy bastard.

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  • Mar 16, 2010 1:08:57 PM CDT

    AsimovLives, RELAX

    by laserpants

    You're so angry you're spitting out typos left and right. Cmon, man, RELAX. You're smarter than this. You're acting like someone raped your mother. Relax, and have a conversation with people. You'll get more out of it that way, even if you disagree.I really liked the show too, LOVED parts of it (the first few seasons were all awesome), but THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL 10,000 or so survivors of a nearly extinct race would agree to throw all of their hospitals, technology, and therefore any chance for continued survival into the sun. No. Fucking. Way. And to make the supposition that I didn't I understand it? Cmon. I understand it completely. Yeah, sure, maybe, like, a handful of really hardcore people would want to go native and live in caves. But you're talking about thousands and thousands of regular, boring, unadventurous, and terrified civilians wanting to re-establish some sense of normalcy after being stuck in space for 3 years (or however long). They don't want to live on a hippie commune, they want their Caprica back. I find it really hard to accept, nay, make that IMPOSSIBLE to accept that the last vetiges of humanity would say, "Sure! Let's get rid of any chance for survival now that we found a home." Not. Bloody. Likely.

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  • Mar 16, 2010 1:19:16 PM CDT

    LaserPants

    by asimovlives

    Dude, the ending is pretty simple: mankind turned their back to all the very thing that caused all the war and suffering: their own civilization. They decided to start all anew, a clean slate, a new begining, to break the cycle. The irony of the final scenes is that, they didn't broke the cycle at all. Things will repat itself again. Why? Because of mankind's own nature, which was not bettered by mixing with the cylon, as was the hope of the Cylons to begin with, and which which they waged the war in the first place. That's the balls of the ending.In my prevous post i did offer the possibviliy that you mgith had understood the ending, but that you didn't accepted it. and if you did not accepted it, there's nothing I or anybody can do for you. It's your deal. You accept it or not. Deal with it, really. But i tell you, not accepting it, you are in the loss. I tell ya, the ending makes perfect sense in the way the whole show was made and build until the end. It's the ending that it should had. It is as it should. That Ron D. Moore and his filmmaking buddies decided to carry the show to it's logical conclusion, without compromises, is what seperates this excelent show from the typical TV and movie bullshit. That's how it is, uncompromising to the end. That's how it should.BSG is a show that was made by people who not only understand SF, but love it like their own blood. The show, and it's ending, shows that in spades.

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  • Mar 16, 2010 1:51:41 PM CDT

    Fareal

    by asimovlives

    Bullshit. Say that about JJ Abrams and the assclowns responsible for LOST and FRINGE.

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  • Mar 16, 2010 1:55:58 PM CDT

    Fareal, get a grip - and the technology ending

    by oisin5199

    dude, why are you even here? You say you won't watch Caprica or any other BSG spinoffs. But you will post spewing amounts of hate here. What kind of a loser are you? It's already been proven quite well by AsimovLives, frozen01 and Zedul that your idiotic 'God did it' rant is the sign of someone who can't handle complex storytelling or doesn't pay attention. I maintain that BSG's brilliant ending was the best series finale I've ever seen in my long career of television watching (and I remember the shows Zedul describes), next to M*A*S*H. Really, you need a better way to channel your anger. Go make your own show.
    The decision to send the technology into the sun was completely consistent with the show's ethos. Remember, it was Adama's refusal to be networked that saved Galactica's life. There is skepticism about technology throughout the show from beginning to end, including the final scene on Earth with All Along the Watchtower playing. Even on Caprica, the notion that analog technology is what gives digital technology 'soul' is being discussed. With the Galactica fleet arriving on Earth, their constant struggle and search and questing is what caused them so much strife, so sending their ships into the sun was a decision to commit to this new life and start over. It works great symbolically, plus there are mythological precedents. In the Irish story of the Tuatha de Danaan, the race of faerie folk comes to Ireland from ships in the sky (which some people interpret as aliens). When they decided to settle in Ireland for good, they burned their fleet so they would be stuck there. Same concept. Not only does it resonate with our own Earth mythology, it also explains in the world of Galactica why we would have some stories passed down through oral tradition. I just don't understand why people could have so much hate for one of the most mature, adult, intelligent sophisticated television shows ever made. Zedul's right. You're all (the haters) a bunch of spoiled whining brats.

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  • Mar 16, 2010 1:57:41 PM CDT

    Maybe the spin off will address the complaints

    by nohubris

    It's possible that the spin off will explain or add new dimensions to the BSG ending in a way that satisfies those who were unhappy with it.

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  • Mar 16, 2010 1:58:59 PM CDT

    Capital Ship military SF

    by himbo

    I'd rather they made an "Honor Harrington" series, given their penchant for long-form storytelling. A whole new political reality to explore, and a wealth of source material. Here's to hoping.

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  • Mar 16, 2010 2:01:14 PM CDT

    Law and Order: Galactica

    by jamie mcbain

    Coming soon to SyFy!

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  • Mar 16, 2010 2:02:50 PM CDT

    and BSG's ending

    by himbo

    was better than it had any right to be. After the mercurial final-five nonsense, the end of BSG was emotionally honest for each of the characters. Really, after what the survivors had been through (and the close quarters), wanting to split up and get the hell away from other people and get some peace, quiet and breathing room. Totally made sense in a very human way.

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  • Mar 16, 2010 2:15:06 PM CDT

    NoHubris

    by asimovlives

    Screw those who are unhappy with BSG's ending. Ron D. Moore owes them nothing. If they don't like it, they can go watch Bay's TRANSFORMERS instead.

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  • Mar 16, 2010 2:31:23 PM CDT

    Syfy, Here's an Idea...

    by cobbio

    Gather Ron Moore and his writers and ask them to come up with ideas for new shows. Not BSG-spinoff shows, I'm talking about original worlds and characters with the same level of quality and writing and effects as Battlestar.
    How about it? I'd love for your station to live up to its name and go for something unique and compelling, even asskickingly good.
    Ron Moore and his team will probably bring several amazingly well-forged ideas to the table, and you can pick and choose the best one.
    I would definitely watch.

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  • It's not difficult to understand, pretty simple, really, just impossible to accept. Like I said, it wasn't a dealbreaker for me, I really love most of the show, I just found the "let's throw all our hospitals into the sun because the hot robot chicks tried to kill us the first time we had hospitals" totally impossible to accept (and more than a little silly).Oh, I actually do like the hybrid race thing. It just could've been handled in a way that wasn't completely stupid. Like, say, the aforementioned Atlantis idea. Or, say, only the skeleton crew of the Galactica survived, their ship all but destroyed, their technology all but useless now, and, being a hearty bunch of soldier-heroes, decide to go native. But 10,000 terrified, weary civilians who just want their creature comforts back, their cities, their culture, the backbone of their society? No way. No way in hell.

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  • Mar 16, 2010 2:33:54 PM CDT

    Totally Implausible

    by laserpants

  • Mar 16, 2010 2:44:27 PM CDT

    is the LOSTROOM chat?

    by idrinkyourmilkshake

  • Mar 16, 2010 3:05:35 PM CDT

    Cobbio

    by secretcylon

    I feel like RDM tried that with Virtuality (which I loved) and of course nobody watched. Not saying I disagree with you, just sort of giving up hope (for now) in good, new, shows. I still love Caprica though...

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  • Mar 16, 2010 3:12:27 PM CDT

    NO, YOU IDIOTS!!!

    by sylarthecylon

    To all you obtuse BSG haters who criticize the ending, FUCK OFF!! The survivors were breaking the cycle, that's why they had to get rid of ALL the technology! But the haters are too stupid to understand such a complex existential plot point!! GRRR I'M ANGRY! Nevermind that they could use parts of the ship as housing (there's no winter on the new planet they found), or to purify water (they don't care about clean water at all, that's why they named an episode after it). There are no harmful bacteria or adverse weather condition on the new planet!!! You idiots! Antibiotics?! Fuck that! Pain medication, or emergency medical equipment?! fuck that!!! They realized they can't repeat the same mistakes again, so now they have to live in huts forever, and walk around nude FOREVER!! Cause scientific advancements are ALL BAD, that's why they took the drastic measures of getting rid of all that stuff!! Who needs pain medication?!?! Nobody! People won't suffer accidents or get sick, or old, or get cancer in the new world!!! Fuck all that shit about fluid therapy and mechanical ventilation!! They will all live in huts now, light fires and OBTAIN NOT EVEN ONE OUNCE OF BENEFIT FROM EVEN THE MOST BASIC OF SCIENCES. Until one of the females suffers from dystocia, i'll love to know how they would solve that lololol. WHAT A SHITTY ENDING

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  • Mar 16, 2010 3:28:31 PM CDT

    throwing away the tech

    by tampabaylightning

    Has everyone forgotten how much pain, suffering and death the technology brought the characters on BSG through the series?
    For me, the ending was the acceptance of the colonists that the technology they depended on had brought them to a near apocolyptic end. The cycle needed to be broken. They needed to begin from the beginning again. They needed to be reborn, and throwing away the tech was the only way they could do it. All in all the end result they saw of technology was always a horrible ending of apocolyptic war. Are we defined by our technology, or by our beliefs?

    I for one was very satisfied by the ending of the series. Very out of the box thinking on Moores part.

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  • Mar 16, 2010 3:48:12 PM CDT

    Ah Oisin, queen of the apologists...

    by billyeveryteen

    Tell us again why Stalkerman Returns is so great?To ignore facts is intellectually dishonest, and beneath contempt for an educator.Kryptonite matters. Be it shiv, or giant island.Technology matters. Be it medicine, hospitals, or FTL drives not named Galactica.

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  • Mar 16, 2010 3:52:47 PM CDT

    first cylon war please

    by brotherbradshaw

    I really hope ...

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  • Mar 16, 2010 4:17:20 PM CDT

    From the network that loved BSG so much it canceled it

    by jt kirk

    Why produce more BSG when you can force its shoddy ending and then fuck over its fans with an unrelated series dressed up as its prequel. Fuck siffy.

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  • Mar 16, 2010 4:22:50 PM CDT

    It's about Kobal....

    by banditmania

    ...trust me.

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  • Mar 16, 2010 4:23:31 PM CDT

    Err...Kobol

    by banditmania

  • Mar 16, 2010 5:08:09 PM CDT

    I may be an elitists...

    by arna

    But you can't be a real SF lover if you don't READ SF, and I mean books, pictureless books. For good science fiction on film or on TV, you need a good premise, involving a science or two, be it Physics or Sociology. Otherwise it is not SF (as Star Wars is not). People complaining that Caprica is uninteresting should go play their games and read their comic books and leave the serious SF to the adults.

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  • Mar 16, 2010 5:13:22 PM CDT

    oisin5199 and Himbo

    by asimovlives

    Right you are.

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  • Mar 16, 2010 5:15:32 PM CDT

    Cobbio

    by asimovlives

    They tried tha,t it's called VIRTUALITY, and nobody saw it in enough numbers to justify a series after the pilot. You have your fellow americans to thank for that. Thank them.

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  • Mar 16, 2010 5:25:56 PM CDT

    LaserPants

    by asimovlives

    It's your problem if you can't accept something just because it doesn't match what you want or prefer. I admire BSG and it's ending because of hos bold and uncompromise it is. I don't need to agree with the philosophy behind the dicision for the show's ending to like it and admire it. I can over-come such limitation. If i was in the shoes of the Galactica characters, would had I gave up on the technological benefits of a space-faring civilization? As i tand now, no, i wouldn't. Were i one of those character,s and after having sufered so much, and all because of it all being a consequence of my own civilization hubris, i migth had chosen the same path they did. Another thing, i'm an atheist. If i was so obsessed with only liking a moie or TV show that matches my own view of religion and spirituality, i would had gave up on BSG right at episode two. But i iddn't, in fac,t i love the religious aspect of the show. Why? Because it's very well handled. Because without it there was no show. Because ron D. Moore and his croonies mananged to make the religious and spiritual aspect not just a window dressing like in the original show, but an integrant and unseperable part of the whole narrative. I don't need to be a faith-head to dig that option. I don'tneed to be a God botherer to think that was a great dramatic choice for the show. Basically, that's how to accept the show as it is, and i do so willignly and happily.your problem, if you allow me to say so, is that you cna't get yourself outside and ahead of your own particular preferences. You want the show to be excatly as you want it to be. Well, it's not. It's not like you want it to be, and it's not like i want it to be. And thank fucking goodness for that. That the show did it's own thing without compromising to so-called "audience's choices" and demographics and comitee decisions is the true halmark of what BSG is a great show, and of all that, the ending is it's best demonstration of the show own identity and quality. That's why i admire it, as i should.

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  • Mar 16, 2010 5:44:30 PM CDT

    Arna

    by asimovlives

    You are very right in what you said in your post above. Not knowing some of the SF literary classic, there's a terrible gap in your knowledge and understanding of SF. unfortunatly, Sf as presente din movies and TV shows have not been of the highest quality, generaly speaking. Compared to the literary classics, they are even pretty dumbed down, generaly speaking. This is why i loved to watch moveis like DISTRICT 9 and MOON and even VATAR to some extent, they are movies which show their filmmakers are really well versed in SF, and not just from watching Star Wars, but also knowing literary classics. In truth, anybody who claims to be a Sf geek just because they like watching SW movies is not a true SF geek. Sorry, but that'as how it is. There's far, far more to SF then just SW.

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  • Mar 16, 2010 7:44:50 PM CDT

    Galactica Ending

    by 2bitkubrick

    Why assume they got rid of all the tech? When i watched the end of BSG, i only assumed they got rid of the ships. Who's to say the didn't unload a bunch of tents and tools and medicine that we just don't see. We don't see them set up anything, its just them, on the planet, and we're not shown what happens next. I think it could be argued that they did keep some basic tech, and we're just not shown that.

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  • Mar 16, 2010 8:34:52 PM CDT

    The only thing I hated about the BSG end...

    by murdermostfowl

    was that there was no dissent to give up the technology. I would have at least liked them to show some people hiding some blasters or something. I don't even mind the "in head" angels thing, except that it ruined the mystery of it all. What I can't forgive them for is the god awful slew of the 3rd and 4th season filler episodes that were just awful.

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  • Mar 16, 2010 8:36:18 PM CDT

    Definitiely didn't get rid of all the tech

    by dr. butthole

    I think they certainly had shelters and some basic stuff and accepted that it would eventually run out. Keep in mind, this is a group of people who had been in space and utterly dependent on technology for four years? Five years? They were probably just happy to have a planet (an amazing one, at that) and they were willing to cast away conveniences in order to prevent more war. Plus, there were about 40,000 people left? How many sacrifices have MILLIONS of Americans been willing to make at different times throughout history at the behest of their government in order to prevent war? I think I buy the ending. I liked it. I was sad it was over because I wanted to see what they would do on Earth!

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  • Mar 16, 2010 8:37:03 PM CDT

    New spinoff will be based on what the BG crew did after joining

    by greatczarsghost

    What did happen after the crew joined prehistoric humans and spread around the world? A show like this could bring in some of the characters from BG which would be good for pulling bg fans.

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  • Mar 16, 2010 10:57:34 PM CDT

    Could SyFy afford the cost of a First Cylon War Series?

    by rob0729

    To do it right, it would definitely have to cost more than Caprica to produce and probably more than Battlestar Galattica. The kept the cost of BSG by containing the action inside the ships and they could go episodes without any contact with a Cylon ship keeping the effects budget down. Could you do that with a war series and make it interesting?

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  • Mar 16, 2010 11:20:17 PM CDT

    Re: AsimovLives

    by cobbio

    Good points. I watched "Virtuality" and thought it was a solid pilot, but it didn't get much advertising and didn't play on Syfy. These aren't excuses, mind you, since if the show had really rocked viewers' worlds it would've gotten ratings.
    I say try again. Ron Moore and company have probably learned from the experience and know more about what works and what doesn't on a television show. "Caprica" is proof positive of this, I think.
    I'm really digging "Caprica."

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  • Mar 16, 2010 11:27:55 PM CDT

    1.6 million viewers???

    by film11

    They cancelled FARSCAPE which, even at its lowest ebb, had higher ratings than that! So...like STARGATE, more BSG shows. Originality is NOT that crappy network's forte. "Imagine Greater" indeed!

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  • Mar 17, 2010 12:45:56 AM CDT

    RE: BSG

    by mapman

    The original BSG movie in the 70's raised some interesting questions. Were the Colonial's our ancestors? Was Apollo worshipped by the ancient Greeks? Were Egyptian Pharaohs modelled after the helmets the Colonial Viper pilots wore?

    The RDM series posed some questions like that: Why do the Colonials look so much like contemporary humans? They wear glasses. They have pin-striped suits. They have military forces like Army, Marines and Air Force. If Adama and the ragtag fleet secretly made it to Earth in 2010 they would fit right in and no one would even notice them! These little mundane things really made me wonder what was going on and what the explanation was. Turns out it was just a huge coincidence. The survivors came to Earth thousands of years in our past. Our style has caught up to theirs but not our technology. At the beginning I always wondered about that. Maybe it was just a decision made to cut down on wardrobe costs.

    My opinion of the series was that the conclusion was not nearly as good as the beginning. Can we all agree on that? It's a fact that RDM has stated multiple times that he was not sure how he would end the series. I think the show suffered as a result. He seemed more interested in putting the characters in situations and seeing what would happen. Like a game of the Sims. I distinctly remember thinking this during one of RDM's podcasts when he said he looked at Rosalyn and decided that she had cancer again. It was a spur of the moment decision.

    If RDM had most of the story figured out when the first season began, he could have sprinkled clues and foreshadowing throughout the run. Things that did not make sense at first would pay off later. Things like the Final Five and who the Final Five were seemed contrived to me.

    Compare this to Lost. I'm convinced that the writers of Lost have a plan and the story is organically moving to a conclusion. The producers have said that Lost is a mosaic and they are gradually filling in the pieces. I've loved this show since the beginning and I'm feeling confident that the ending will pay off. We'll know in 9 weeks.

    If only BSG had done so well. A brilliant beginning with a so-so conclusion. Judged as a whole the conclusion of the series diminishes its overall greatness. I accept the ending as it was told but I still feel that with more planning in the beginning it would have ended more satisfactorily for everyone. Just my two cents.

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  • Mar 17, 2010 5:09:03 AM CDT

    MapMan

    by asimovlives

    Nope, i don't agree with you. You are wrong. Sorry. But nice try. Points and kudos for effort.

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  • Mar 17, 2010 5:16:01 AM CDT

    Why BSG, was and is so brilliant

    by dennis_p

    BSG, is so much more than other Series. I totally agree with Zedul, and even though we who agree isn't garanteed right, you have to admit that the way BSG questions religion and everything that goed with it, is bold and utterly brilliant. Unlike 24 who more or less view their villeans as two dimensional fanatic suicide bombers. BSG had the currage to go so deep in the minds and motivations of the cylon to have us as viewers Think, well maybe they did deserve it. I dont Think there is a clearcut good and evil in that Series, but Thats the beauty of it.

    As to God in the Series, i myself view it as a mix between the greek mythology and christianity. Especially the qoute from caprica-6 "God is love" is the Foundation of the early christianity. I like the fact that the cylon Holocaust wasn't a judgemeny o god per say. Why didn't he prevent it then?Well it was the consequence of Human actions and some events need to play out. As some has mentioned in the in the TB. God does not male the choices for Them. He only presents them. Where humans go from there is entirely up to them.

    As for anothet spinoff, i love the idea og
    more space-opera setting, wheter it's our future were we encounter the cylons, and the Angels head-6, gaius and starbuck.
    Or the first war on kobol. Is that were it
    All started or can we go further back and end up om Earth again. Essentially
    making these two options the same and making it come full cirle. "All of this has happend before all of it will happen again".

    Sorry about spelling.

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  • Mar 17, 2010 5:32:58 AM CDT

    The ending of BSG even plays on an aspect of american mythology.

    by asimovlives

    ... the start anew from the Old World vices. It's a play on the mythology of the original pilgrims that colonized North America. Of course reality was not like tha,t but i'm talking about the mythology of the thing. Which the ending of BSG also refers to. What suprises me is that i'm the european, i'm the foreign her,e and seems no american, specially those who bash the ending, haven't noticed that. What's next, do i need to teach some american here who was George Washington?

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  • Mar 17, 2010 5:55:17 AM CDT

    "The cycle needed to be broken"

    by scratchmonkey

    The technology wasn't really the problem; their belief in God/Gods was responsible for all their woes. That cycle isn't going to be broken unless they give up their faith. As it stands, Mankind is fated to develop sentient machines that believe in God all over again, thousands of years after the 'BSG' finale? Oh dear, silly Mankind. The Galactica survivors should have kept their technology and dumped all their religious texts into the heart of the sun.

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  • Mar 17, 2010 7:02:36 AM CDT

    AsiL

    by privateiron

    Since George Washington lived about 150 years after that phase of colonial America, you still need to learn a lot from us Americans, not the other way around. The America of 1783 was pretty integrated into Western European culture by that time and it became more so, not less.

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  • Mar 17, 2010 7:13:49 AM CDT

    BSG ending sucked

    by privateiron

    Bad science: "mitochondrial Eve" is not who RDM thought she was and a casual glance at Wikipedia by an intern could have told him that, yet she was his inspiration for the entire endgame plot. Bad mass psychology: see the above posters points on throwing hospitals into the sun. Bad plotting/history: did not show the colonists coming to a consensus on their decision, why/how they would accomplish this: dissent, people who smuggle tech, etc. Bad overall plotting: all the numerous plot points they left hanging from earlier seasons: remember Kobol "stonehenge" for a start. Bad character development: who the frak was Starbuck at the end?! One of the most important plot points and no explanation, none! Sachoff did not understand her character in the last season or so and RDM had to tell her basically to just suck it up and read the lines.

    For this, I lost one or two more seasons of Farscape. For the first two seasons of BSG, it seemed like a wash on losing one, gaining the other, but now it just pisses me off.

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  • Mar 17, 2010 7:21:33 AM CDT

    More rant

    by privateiron

    The dead hand of the pilot! Cavil's personality bouncing around like a cat on meth, then killing himself! Even the "good" part of the finale sucked the sweat off a dead man's balls.

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  • Mar 17, 2010 7:32:08 AM CDT

    Scratchmonkey

    by asimovlives

    Their technology, and their hubris about it, created the cylons, who they treated as slaves, which was the whole cause of the whole shennenigans. So, their final luddite actions do make a lot of sense, narratively speaking. and of cours,e it all gets spiced by the final irony of the last images from the ending of the show.How i love that show.

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  • Mar 17, 2010 7:35:00 AM CDT

    PrivateIron

    by asimovlives

    Read my post again and you will notice that i used such expressions as "American Mythology", which doesn't start at your revolution or independence, and goes futehr back to the pilgrims who settled the regions would would became the future USA. If anything, it's me who is showing more knowedge of your own country past then you. reread my post and really get and understand what i wrote. I even wrote it in english, man, how more help do you need?

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  • Mar 17, 2010 7:51:45 AM CDT

    AsiL

    by privateiron

    You were the one who brought up George Washington. Read my posts. How much specific information do you need to realize that BSG's finale failed on almost every level possible? And if your reply is like the rest of the crap you write here, don't expect a response. You are borderline troll as far as I can tell.

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  • Mar 17, 2010 8:03:40 AM CDT

    BSG's ending was terrible

    by gozu

    BSG's season finale was terrible. Basically, in about two hours, it ripped apart everything that had been built beforehand. I'll never forget watching it at a friend's place like it was the fucking Super Bowl. However, it immediately became a countdown, "There's like an hour and a half left, it'll get good," "there's like an hour left, it still has a chance," "there's only a half-hour left, man, I don't know how they're going to pull this off," "fifteen minutes to go, really?" and finally, "What the fuck was that?"

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  • Mar 17, 2010 8:31:55 AM CDT

    It wont matter when SyFy realises

    by dioxholsterreturns

    that all it needs is more stargates

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  • Mar 17, 2010 8:38:33 AM CDT

    PrivateIron

    by asimovlives

    I'm going to give you points for your original way in shortening my nick.

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  • Mar 17, 2010 8:41:25 AM CDT

    Gozu

    by asimovlives

    Actually, if anything, the last episode of BSG is anything but rushed. They took their sweet time showing how the humans came to Earth, what they did in the first days, what each want to do once they settled, etc, etc. They did in one episode what in other shows, driven by weak bladders, would present in 10 minutes or less. In fact, that the lat episode is so slow paced, and thus, unconventional, is another reason why i love that show.

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  • Mar 17, 2010 8:51:29 AM CDT

    PrivateIron

    by asimovlives

    I do have one question for you regarding George Washington: What was the name the indians gave him in their language due to his actions during the French and Indian War, and what does it mean?

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  • Mar 17, 2010 8:55:00 AM CDT

    Zoe is God

    by chain

  • Mar 17, 2010 8:55:36 AM CDT

    you guys are awake for this?????

    by dioxholsterreturns

    BSG is over bitches

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  • Mar 17, 2010 9:01:12 AM CDT

    all of you are a pain in the neckta

    by dioxholsterreturns

    seriously why not watch SGU instead of this trite

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  • Mar 17, 2010 9:13:28 AM CDT

    a lot of butthurt over the ending.

    by chain

    I wonder if it's because you thought you had it all figured out and then found out you were wrong? I think you're going to find out later that this "God" isn't what or who you thought it was.

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  • Mar 17, 2010 9:37:54 AM CDT

    go to work assfucks

    by dioxholsterreturns

    like the slaves you are

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  • Mar 17, 2010 10:07:51 AM CDT

    DioxholsterReturns

    by asimovlives

    Flatery will take you nowhere.

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  • Mar 17, 2010 10:29:02 AM CDT

    Asimov, It's My Problem?

    by laserpants

    Yes, I guess you're right, my problem is that I can't accept unbelievably bad writing and plot devices in an otherwise brilliant show. It was a BAD, totally implausible ending. And, if you scan about, you see that the vast majority of people agree that it was a bad, totally implausible ending. Again, not a dealbreaker, cause the show did way more right than wrong, and it's socio-political commentary (at least in the first few seasons) was absolutely brilliant, but no way no way NO WAY would 10,000 desperate, terrified people gladly throw all of their hospitals and technology into the sun. No way.But, anyways, it's just a disagreement. I hope there's no offense. I really like the show, just had a major problem with that one aspect. (Oh, and I'm an atheist too, and the god stuff didn't bug me at all; I actually thought it was interesting and kinda cool; seeing as how it mostly stands as an indictment of religion and religious extremeists.)

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  • Mar 17, 2010 10:44:18 AM CDT

    LaserPants

    by asimovlives

    Your problem is that you ar emistaking your own personal preference with bad. Which there is none in BSG's ending. The thing you need to understand is that a show or mvie doesn't need to fulfill your own ideals and beliefs for you to enjoy it. If that was so, i couldn't enjoy any of the John milius' movies, which i do. That's what i say about it being your problem. Me, i admire a show which, even if it doesn't match my beliefs and convictions, still has the courage to do the unexpected, and is uncompromising to it's own vision. I respect that. I admire that. I don't need to agree to admire and respect and, most important of all, ACCEPT. It's this, which the way i see it, you are not understanding.

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  • Mar 17, 2010 10:48:25 AM CDT

    I fuck Cylons

    by dioxholsterreturns

    in the butt.

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  • Mar 17, 2010 11:08:24 AM CDT

    DioxholsterReturns

    by asimovlives

    Yeah, the male ones.

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  • Mar 17, 2010 11:16:26 AM CDT

    This talkback has happened before.

    by the dark shite

    Why the fuck did it have to happen again?

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  • Mar 17, 2010 11:24:22 AM CDT

    I showed them whos boss

    by dioxholsterreturns

    in your butt cylon

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  • Mar 17, 2010 11:55:08 AM CDT

    call GLEN A. LARSON...

    by cricklewood

    ...and ask him for a brand new show. No more bloody spin-offs!

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  • Mar 17, 2010 12:04:42 PM CDT

    cricklewood

    by asimovlives

    Call Bryan Singer. He wanted to make a new BSG movie or TV show, not certain, that had no relation with Ronald D. Moore's.

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  • Mar 17, 2010 12:05:26 PM CDT

    Given The Vast Majority Of Critical Response To The Final Episod

    by laserpants

    it would appear that about 95% of the shows fans (and critics) also couldn't accept the totally implausible ending in which 10,000 terrified people do what NOBODY would ever do; literally throwing any chance they have for survival into the sun. You're pretty much the only one here who accepts it in a completely subjective, not objective, manner. So who has the "problem?" I'm being totally objective here, as a fan of the show, and, I'm sorry, the ending was totally implausible. People would NOT do that. No way. No way in hell. But, hey, if you accepted it, that's your right. But know you're pretty much the only person I know who didn't think it was totally implausible and more than a little silly.Oh, but, hey, I've been pilloried on the tbs for hating T2, so, I suppose we all have our eccentricities.

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  • Mar 17, 2010 2:16:28 PM CDT

    My thoughts on the tech question

    by totorosan

    I always came to the belief that they destroyed the ships, not the technology critical to survival such as medicine, etc. I would agree that it is preposterous to think that all 10,000 survivors would go along with this "plan." Especially since to the average Joe Colonial Six-Pack, none of the existential stuff with the Final Five even remotely affected their day-to-day life. It's still entirely logical that all that knowledge and technology could be lost and forgotten in the passage of time on Earth, such that all that really remained were influences. I only wish that RDM made that more obvious in the final episode. It would have made the whole cycle of destruction theme more plausible.

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  • Mar 17, 2010 2:54:29 PM CDT

    Please make it about the BS Pegasus

    by joebrooks

    And have it be in two separate timelines, 5 years before the fall, and 5 minutes after the fall.

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  • Mar 17, 2010 4:40:50 PM CDT

    To like the ending...

    by nohubris

    ...you had to connect with the Galactica crew's emotional journey.I, for one, liked the ending for what it was, but I also thought it would've been great if the decision was two pronged with a large portion of the fleet making earth their new home, while a skeleton Galactica crew heads back to the colonies for survivors.

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  • Mar 17, 2010 10:03:57 PM CDT

    TotoroSan & NoHubris

    by weylandyutani

    TotoroSan: That was my impression too... it's been a year since I saw the finale, but was there a line of dialogue stating that they got rid of ALL their technology? I thought they just got rid of the Galactica and the fleet after stripping it - You would not want that bad boy in a decaying orbit or be standing on Earth where it crashes after a couple of hundred years orbiting the planet. But I stand corrected if I am wrong, I only saw the last episode once.

    NoHubris: That would have been a great conclusion having the Galactica head back to the Colonies to find the rest of the human race. Especially if it was a generational trip over thousands of years because the Galactica could not use its FTL drive.

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  • Mar 17, 2010 10:58:43 PM CDT

    New BSG show, our Earth, our future

    by daredrummer

    I like the concept of launching a new show based in our close future. We saw at the end of BSG the cycle was in fact not broken, and "we" were heading down the same path. You could even keep Baltar and 9 in it as recurring characters. It could be very interesting indeed. Other BSG characters could even be "angels" if you will.

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  • Mar 18, 2010 9:56:59 AM CDT

    Any BSG prequel is DOOMED to failure.

    by jeditemple

    Everybody fucking dies in the end, so I don't give a shit about what SyFy does with this dead franchise.

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  • Mar 18, 2010 10:10:24 AM CDT

    Xaximus-

    by chadley bebay

    You couldn't be more wrong...Sheesh I am glad I don't have your fucked up mind. For the goddam record:

    Caprica is BRILLIANT.
    BSG Finale WAS FUCKING BRILLIANT.

    These are facts, thank you

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  • Mar 18, 2010 10:11:43 AM CDT

    SylarTheCylon and others

    by chadley bebay

    THANK YOU. You are real fans!

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  • Mar 18, 2010 10:24:46 AM CDT

    BSG had the worst ending in Sci-Fi history.

    by jeditemple

    While some folks thought it was "brilliant" there were at least 50% of the viewers who thought the ending sucked...bad. Apollo should have been hung from a tree for his stupid "go primitive" idea.

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  • Mar 18, 2010 10:48:05 AM CDT

    The vocal minority are the "real" fans??

    by billyeveryteen

    Suuuurrrre...

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  • Mar 18, 2010 9:38:43 PM CDT

    At least it didn't have Time Travel ya fucks.

    by thewaqman

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