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Capone says the mix of brains and braun makes GREEN ZONE a must see!!!
Hey, everyone. Capone in Chicago here.
I feel pretty confident in saying that there is no better director of realistic, complex action sequences working today than Paul Greenglass (UNITED 93, BLOODY SUNDAY, and the most recent two BOURNE movies). He also has an uncanny ability of building unbearable levels of suspense and making sure an intelligent audience always knows exactly what is happening and what the specific geography of every sequence is. This may sound bizarre, but one of my biggest complaints about the current crap of action directors is that they simply toss the camera around, set off a shitload of explosions, and rattle off gunfire with very little care if the audience can keep track of where all of the players are and who they are attempting to capture or kill. But with GREEN ZONE, Greengrass' dense and perfect military thriller set in the early weeks of the current war in Iraq, we are always perfectly clear who's after who and why. He almost makes it look easy.
GREEN ZONE is not "Jason Bourne goes to Iraq," despite what some lazy-ass critics might lead you to believe. It's actually something much more dangerous--a studio film with big stars mixing truth with a bit of fiction to expose one version of the Big Lie that got us into Iraq in the first place: that Saddam Hussein had hidden caches of weapons of mass destruction hidden all over the country. The fact that an audience of today already knows no WMDs were found doesn't take away from the drama of watching soldiers (in the form of Roy Miller, played with authority and confidence by Matt Damon), intelligence gatherers (led by Brendan Gleeson's CIA agent Martin Brown, and journalists (Wall Street Journal reporter Lawrie Dayne, portrayed by Amy Ryan with a perfect mixture of truth seeking vigor and sheer guilt at falling for the original lie) slowly uncover the truth for themselves.
Miller heads a team of men who are tapped to raid various abandoned buildings and other secret locations where WMDs are supposedly hidden. Each time they come up empty handed, despite being told the intel that put them there was solid and coming from a classified, high-ranking source in the Iraqi military. When Miller confronts his superior officers with the idea that maybe the intel is faulty, he's dressed down with some degree of swiftness. When he and his men get a lead from an Iraqi citizen named Freddy (Khalid Abdalla) about a gathering of some of the top men in Saddam's army, he moves in quickly confirms the presence of a high ranking general (Yigal Naor), who then escapes. Those who Miller and his team do capture are quickly snatched from their grasp by another military team (led by Jason Isaacs) and working directly for the administration, in the guise of Greg Kinnear as the devious politician who is more interested in making America look justified in being in Iraq than in getting to the truth. With the help of Martin Brown, Miller sets out to find the missing general and get the truth out of him about where the WMDs are, assuming there are any.
GREEN ZONE never lets up in its nearly two-hour running time. For those of you who aren't fans of the shaky cam, be warned--things get a little shaky, but not to the point where the style and camera movement courtesy of cinematographer Barry Ackroyd take you out of the action. Greengrass is absolutely relentless at either throwing details and information at you or at putting his capable Chief Warrant Officer Miller through the paces. The films ends with a 20-minute foot chase that left me winded just watching, primarily because not everyone doing the running is in great shape. Just as compelling as the action is the drama. Miller confronting the journalist about running her original story about "confirmed" WMDs without checking the facts is a stinging indictment against all journalists that bought these lies. Screenwriter Brian Helgeland (basing his adaptation on a book by Rajiv Chandrasekaran) points fingers and names the names of those who let us down. Miller is given such lines as "It always matters why we go to war," when Kinnear tries to convince him the 'Why' doesn't matter anymore since American was already fully engaged in this conflict. Knowing Damon's politics, he's probably screaming right at George W. Bush when he deliver those words.
Greengrass and Damon should always work together, because they make the best non-superhero action movies in town. I guess this film has been on release schedule for a few extra months, and I think I know why. The distributor might have been waiting for THE HURT LOCKER to win that Best Picture Oscar. At least that way, GREEN ZONE might have a fighting chance at being the one film set during the Iraq War that actually gets people to come see it in the theater in droves. They will not be disappointed. This is a one of those rare birds that refuses to skimp on either the action or the plot. It's a smart film, made by talented filmmakers that also happens to kick all manner of ass. Who knows, this film might actually make you feel a little bit better about being lied to by your government. If not, it may get your angry and charged enough to do something about it.
-- Capone
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This looks good
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That's a five star movie as far as i'm concerned. I can barely stomach reading that website anymore, makes me feel unclean.
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Either way, why keep doing it? You're just elevating your blood pressure for no reason.
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Mar 12, 2010 3:22:38 PM CST
This movie is unamerican but jokes about Reid's injured wife is
by steveintexas
Irony isn't Fox News strongpoint. On the same page they're bragging about social conservatives in Texas removing minorities from school books, removing reference to hip hop music (and actually encouraging country music...no i'm not kidding), and encouraging Creationism in text books while ragging on Evolution. What's more unamerican, a movie talking about the US and UK's illegal invasion of Iraq, or rewriting the history books by removing minorities?
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The movie features extensive scenes of Matt Damon trimming his beard with a Braun electric shaver? Or did you mean "brawn"?
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It had been made six or seven years ago. But today it feels like old news. Are we meant to be shocked when Matt Damon discovers (gasp) there were no WMD? If you've been hiding in a Saddam-like hole for the last eight years that might have been a good ending. But all this stuff has already been said over and over and even admitted by the principal players - Bush and Blair. Also, I note that Greengrass wasn't brave enough to address Israel or Iran's role in the grander scheme of things - that might risk offending audiences or pressure groups.
Really, it's just another opportunity for Western audiences to pat themselves on their backs for their retrospective outrage at Bush and Blair. HURT LOCKER did Iraq so much better by making it the story of the soldiers. Here, the characters are representative ciphers - the Iraqi politician, the Ba’athist general, the US diplomat, the journalist, the CIA man etc. Nothing to connect us to them individually.
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Thats what the trailers make it look. I dont feel like getting dizzy watching a movie.
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freudian slip? or did you really mean to refer to these directors' poo?
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This is actually the first in Paul Greengrass's 'Trois Coloure' trilogy.
PINK ZONE is coming out in Spring 2011 starring Ben Affleck as a viagra-addicted gay porn star. -
From Bush Derangement Syndrome. But I don't have to finance it for them.
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for best action director, specifically shoot-outs. Not rain on Greengrass' parade or anything, he's a great director as well, and probably second when it comes to action. Anybody's better than all the Bays and W.S. Andersons of the world.
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He's referring to Eva Braun, Hitler's mistress, who makes a surprise cameo in this.
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The dude is more talented and sophisticated than most directors today.
Seriously, between Greengrass and Joe Johnston, is there even a question of who is the better director?
Marvel, fire Johnston and hire Greengrass.
Plus, make Alexander Skarsgard Cap.
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Long time fan and reader, but don't be one of those guys who put political views up please. I'm a 3 time veteran of OIF, and we did find WMD's, barrels of chemical weapons. Just not in the numbers advertised. But isnt 2,000 civilians killed mass destruction? That's how much was found, enough to kill that many people. Come on, you think the news releases all the stories out of Iraq, especially considering which way they lean?
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Isn't there a difference? Maybe I'm mistaken on my history, but I remember a consensus among international intel agencies (Israel, France) that Iraq had and was pursuing WMDs. Iraq also had ample time to move supplies to Syria, which was brought up in (apparently) not widely seen interviews with former Iraq military officials that sided with the US after our engagement.
Not to mention, all the libs that brought up the "lie" at one time or another admitted Iraq had WMDs, whether they supported the 'war' or not (and I find it hard to believe anyone could be against going into Iraq if they believed they were actively pursuing/creating WMDs). -
If it offends your liberal sensibilities, then tune out. Like how I tune out CNN, ABCNBCCBS, NPR, CPAN, the New York Time, the Washington Post, and virtually every other major newspaper in the US.
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the cheerleader's about the nineties.
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good film but shaky cam needs to fuck off NOW, its annoying and my friend had to leave and come back as he felt sick (we sat at the front, it works for most films)
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www.tinyurl.com/yj99wcyAlthough it is about a critic calling it un-American.I can't really see how they think it is.
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forgot the "e" in both shakey cams
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Greengrass is good, so are the fellers that brought us the new Bond. Michael Mann is on the short list, and some of Mamet's films are right there (Spartan was badass). Toss in Frankenheimer and Friedkin, too. But Cuaron, for Children of Men, gets the god-damn prize.
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How come no one who writes for AICN can spell and/or use a spell-checker worth a damn? (Psst... it's "brawn" you were looking for.)
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My wife wanted to see a movie this evening, but shakeycam makes her sick...so we won't be seeing this one. I'd probably be okay to see it...but fuck it anyway. When will filmmakers get the news that they are alienating potential viewers with this stupid 'effect'?
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didn't see that one coming. "The Big Lie"? give me a break. I knew what this movie was about the second I saw Matt Damon on the poster in Iraq trying to be an army of one. It's an insult to our military.
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I don't know if The Only Woj is being naive or not, but there was a hell of a lot of coverage in magazines and books well before the war that talked of Iraq's chemical/biological weapons research. A lot of this research was done in mobile labs, which could easily be moved. Maybe Saddam destroyed it all before the war, but there is too much documentation, by weapons inspectors and escaped scientists from Iraq, that says there were WMDs in Iraq at some point.
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Greengrass Vs Johnston for
Captain America?
Answer: The Rocketeer trumps all.
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It is all too easy and simplistic to indict the United States in hindsight, but I'm sorry, a "Big Lie" it is not. There is too much evidence and documentation demonstrating that the Ba'ath regime still had an interest in a nuclear program until it was overthrown along with WMD is overwhelming. We should not ignore the Iraqi intent in all of this. So, for what its worth, CGIh8r has it nailed. This is dated, overwrought Bush Derangement Syndrome dressed up as an action film.
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"making sure an intelligent audience always knows exactly what is happening and what the specific geography of every sequence is"
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If you think that Bush & co thought that there were WMDs and therefore planned an invasion, rather than planning the invasion and looking for a WMD-based justification, there is no hope for you in the modern world.
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And personally would recommend it as a rental only.
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Michael Mann knows how a gun sound, just copy him when in doubt. Sure the loud bang might be streneous on the ears in movies with a lot of shooting but its worth it imo for the added realism. Also in HEAT when somebody shoots with an automatic rifle, shit gets FUCKED UP. Cars arent bulletproof and guns don't sound like toys.
Seriously when you shoot a 7.62mm machine gun or *gasp* a 50 cal the guy next to you will get his fucking hair blown back. Dont get me started on an rpg. When you fire one its like *BOOOOM* shokwave felt from 50 meters away.
Not *pssssshhyy bang* and some gravel lands on the ground.
Took my girlfriend out to the range with the national guard so she could try what its like to shoot with an FN MAG. I shot first while she stood behind me. I swear she almost pissed her pants when i fired a few salvos. She told me after she couldnt beleive how incredibly loud and forceful it was. Just the gas expended from the rifle is pretty jarring if you never experienced it.
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Clearly you have to have a ton of brains to understand the "Big Lie."
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i see him on interview shows, and he tries so hard to come off as a super intellectual who is pained by his own brilliance. i don't fuckin buy it. he's another hack asshole who couldn't make a film without reducing 3/4s of it to a shaky cam blur to cover up his complete lack of talent. and matt damon is a dud. his hollywood exile can't happen soon enough.
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saying the above comment while cleaning his dismantled M4 and chugging a big gulp full of red liquid.
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...in saying there is no wrier of shitter reviews working today than Capone.Why?Just 'cos.
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Yes, the US gets a majority of it's oil from Canada. But China buys from Iraq, and we can't have China too powerful. Also, if we get Iraq, we can profit by selling it to our allies. Still, if I was President Bush in 2004, I would have planted WMDs and been done with it. Would have been easier.
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4700 killed since 2003. Who's the warmonger?
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I only need to say one thing.
Jurassic Park 3. -
Bush is baaaad. Mmmm-kay?
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Bush was a stupid, moronic, village idiot and he tricked 90% of Americans including Hillary Clinton and John Kerry. Hmmmm, I wonder what that makes us?
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Mar 12, 2010 9:16:58 PM CST
Ace of Wands, re: "I don't see the US rushing to invade"
by immortal_fish
You do still realize that we're still at war with Korea, yes?And would you really like to see the US engage them? Really?Keep on with the talking points you have been provided like a good little lemming.
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"If you think that Bush & co thought that there were WMDs and therefore planned an invasion, rather than planning the invasion and looking for a WMD-based justification, there is no hope for you in the modern world."Kaitain, if you think that ANY Prez & co do not already have in-depth plans drawn in advance to deal with most any nation of consequence, especially terror states, then there is no hope for you in the modern world.
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Like most left wing accusations, there's blame-shifting going on here. The bad/evil/clueless reporter is from the Wall Street Journal when in reality it was the New York Times who claimed Saddam had WMDs. But that aside, there were some major goofs like stuff they thought was anthrax powder turned out to be a medicine for vaginal infections.
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Read the book "Comrade J" by Pete Earley. There is a big section devoted to how the Russian SVR (reinvented KGB) was involved with the UN oil for food scandal and how Saddam was making craploads of money on the deal.
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http://www.davidstuff.com/political/wmdquotes.htmhttp://econfaculty.gmu.edu/wew/articles/04/hussein.htmlWho voted for "regime change?" And how did they think that was going to happen?Yeah, yeah, I know... "Iraq never had WMD." Even though "we gave them WMD! See the pic of Rumsfeld shaking hands with Sodamn Insane?!"::yawn::
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Obeyme has deployed more Predator drones landing successful hits in just one year compared to Dubya's eight.Obeyme has also played more rounds of golf in one year compared to Dubya's eight.You do the math.I wonder how that certain, particular scene in The Day After Tomorrow would have played out if it were released this year.
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Been playing a lot of the Elder Scrolls Morrowind and Oblivion, I presume?
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"mixing truth with a bit of fiction to expose one version of the Big Lie"No, he didn't write that. Did he?::looks again::Damn. He did.Is this not unlike mixing 2 with 2 to get five?Oh, oh! Use of the wiggle word "version"...! I like that. An inconvenient convenience.
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Just ask the folks of Halabja, if you can find any alive that is. And don't forget that Iraq used poison gas against Iranian troops and Iran retaliated in kind.
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No one is denying that the USA sold WMD's to Iraq, for use against Iran or it's own Kurdish population.
However, those weapons have a shelf-life. They aren't eternal.
When people say there were no WMD's, they mean (quite correctly) in the run up to the invasion, there were no WMD's. And the WMD's were the raison d'etre for the invasion. -
Mar 13, 2010 1:22:17 AM CST
You don't blow up a country cause the guy THINKS he wants WMDs
by tall_boy66
Didn't you all watch Minority Report? The Precog system is a failure! We need free will!!!
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"if you think that ANY Prez & co do not already have in-depth plans drawn in advance to deal with most any nation of consequence..."
Yeuch, I hate the expression "most any". (Shudders.)
Regardless, yours is a sophist's trick, whether or not that was the intention. It's one thing to have lots of plans drawn up ready for any eventuality you can think of. That's fine, and sensible. It's another thing entirely to decide to invade a country for various reasons, realize that those reasons won't fly with the populace, and go looking for pretend reasons that you think will constitute an easier sell. Please don't confuse the two.
"We think it makes strategic and political sense to enact regime change in Iraq" cannot be sold easily to the public. But "Iraq could attack us at short notice with horrendous weapons, and is likely to" is a great line to sell to the public.
The neo-cons wanted regime change, and calculated that the WMD story would allow them to get on with it. Thanks to the supine US press, they were right.
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Shut. The. Fuck. Up.Is the movie entertaining and worth watching or not?
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Literally! I'm not exagerating. Everybody knew there was no WMD in Iraq even before the invasion. Only the american public bought that lie. Even the british people, who were USA's biggest supporting allies in the Iraq War, knew they were going to war for very dubious and devious reasons. Only the american did believe there was WMDs and it was a good cause to go to war. and it's not just the card member republicans. Many, many, many Democracts, the majority of them, who should had know better on principle, fell for the lie. and i mean, AN EXTREMALY BVVERY FUCKING OBVIOUS LIE, as transparent as spring water. And no 9/11 can ever excuse the deliberate blindless that went to believe such lies everybody around the world knew were lies. Really, it begs belief!And it was this stupid lie that started the whole business of calling the french as quitters and surrenders and all that freedom fries retarded bullshit. You got all completly ape shit on the french, and all based on a fucking lie! Who do you think got the last laugh? Actually, it's no laughing matter, when a whole people decides to buy a lie on the cheap. Really, that moment was one of the most sad moment in USA's history. Hope that a movie like this can help the world realise that the USA are recognizing their mistake and beating in their chests in mea culpa.
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The Iraq war sucked, and it was built on lies and momentum, and the "opposition" should've known better. But most Americans know that now.
And to whoever said that James Cameron should be included with Freidkin, Frankenheimer, Greengrass, Cuaron, Mamer, Mann, etc. as a great realistic action director apparently lives in a fantasy world full of homicidal cyborgs, underwater shamans, and ten-foot blue aliens. -
Mar 13, 2010 8:14:51 AM CST
Alfonso Cuaron is imo the most versatile director out there..
by iwasredempted
right now. little princess, y tu mama tambien, harry potter and children of men. impressive. i use to think ang lee was the most versatile but the hulk (which i personally enjoyed) showed he may not be able to handle a tent pole for the masses piece of entertainment. saw little princess on cable for the hell of it and thought it was actually really good. no fan of harry potter but azkaban was fantastic. and he doesn't go shaky cam crazy. hopefully he doesn't go the personal self indulgent film route. he should do something like james bond or something, not going to happen but it would be awesome i'm sure.
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Mar 13, 2010 8:30:03 AM CST
"Just ask the folks of Halabja, if you can find any alive that i
by scratchmonkey
If those events had happened after Bush's post-9/11 'War on Terror' and 'Axis of Evil' speeches, no doubt Saddam would have been entirely justified in gassing the Iranian-backed guerillas occupying Halabja and labelling them as "terrorists" or "insurgents" (and the civilians as "terrorist sympathisers") who were a threat to his country's security. Which they were, of course. The people of Halabja weren't the pure white innocents some like to paint them as nowadays. They wanted Saddam's secular regime overturned so that the country could be overrun by radical Islam. You know, that Big Bag of Loony Evil the West's got a bit of a problem with right now?
By gassing Halabja, Saddam prevented Iran and radical Islam becoming a more powerful force in the region. That sounds like something the US would approve of nowadays, yes? Or is it only the West that is justified in killing people it deems "terrorists" and "insurgents"? -
i'm going to get hell for this but i have to say in the american revolution what americans deem patriots i contend could be labeled as terrorists or insurgents by england.
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and too few opinions of the actual movies entertainment value. It would be nice for once if the pro/anti Bush rhetoric would cease and the fedback would focus on the movie---especially from people that have actually seen it.
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Watching Fox News will NOT cut it.
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The term "getting your wires crossed" was tailor made for wingnuts.
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Fox News=pussy repellant
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To those who say Cameron isnt one of the great action directors working today: Aliens. You lose.
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Yes we went into Iraq for regime change and oil under the pretense of WMD's (which we did evetually find, just not in the quantity we thought). Job done. So what?
And now we're in Afghnaistan under the guise of terrorist hunting when it's really regime change and a big fat natural gas pipeline (amongst other natural resources the local cavemen are too poor to harvest themselves or even know they have). Again, job done. So what?
And for one I'm happy about both no matter how screwed up the execution and follow up was. The food that's on my table was delivered to the grocery store on trucks that run on refined petroleum and it was cooked on a stove that burns natural gas.
Now, we will also have airbases and attack capabilities in both countries for at least as long as we've been in Germany and Korea.
Now, everyone pull out a map and tell me what's right in between Iraq and Afghanistan. You've got a madman on the idiot switch folks.
A madman who has missile capability (albeit innacurate) to reach all of Europe, Africa, the Middle East and South East Asia. A lunatic who was one of the original terrorists who helped seize 53 American hostages in '79 and now publically threatens to 'wipe off the map' the homeland of the producers of 99% of the movies you come on this website to whine, bitch and jerk off about.
We're in a great position to protect our national interests now now more than ever. We should all be happy we're there and ready to pounce on Iran if need be. Or sit back in immitation shock when London, Madrid, Paris, The UAE, Oman, Diego Garcia, Rome or Amsterdam gets nuked.
We also now have a bigger foothold in the region than China, our biggest threat economically. Remember...the economy? It's why half you folks are unemployed bitching about movies you can only download off ninja because you can't afford to buy the $15.00 cinema ticket.
Anyone that thinks that all wasn't at least in the back of the planner's minds at the Pentagon / Treasury Dept / CIA / Dept of Energy / etc, etc. when we went into Iraq (2003) and Afghanistan (2001) are fooling themselves; regardless of our stated motive. Our boys in charge (regardless of political party)are pretty smart...and while they do screw up sometimes, they have a plan.
And I think it's a damn good one.
"...provide for the common defence, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity..."
I'm sure I've read that somewhere. :)
Lastly, yeah, saw the film yesterday. It was fun, and I'm a Matt Damon fan originally from New England. But from a military or realism standpoint it was laughable. That's from someone that has lived in the Green Zone for a while, is ex US Military and knows what I'm talking about. -
Would an admin please put some para breaks in my post above. I tried but they didn't take. Thanks.
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@ Baryonyx
by Ace of Wands:
LMFAO
@ leroyspoboys:
yeah, you and your might opinions need more than parabreaks. from your little jerkoff rant, I take it you bought into the lies and went over to Iraq in some sort of military fashion, and judging from the fact that you sound brainwashed do you REALLY want others to download from the NINJA, or whomever, you are talking about. Doesn't downloading illegal movies in the straight and narrow brainwashed community of your vacant mind mean that you are helping the terrorists ?!?
I am sure I saw a message about this before a film I PAID FOR once. lol. BTW, WHO is the madman on the idiot switch. Are you speaking of the madman that the US sold chemical weapons to in 1983 ?
What BOYS in CHARGE are you speaking of ?
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oh wait, maybe you were talking about the Al-Qaeda leader, Osama aka CIA operative, Tim Osman whom the US trained before they trained his entire army. just specify, please, my fellow brainwashed drone?
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Careful. Aliens was a flash in the pan, something he only barely recreated with True Lies. He isn't truly an 'action' director any more than he is a 'romance' director... he's run the gamut, and proven to be pretty good at anything he does. But if I were looking for someone to helm a pure actioner, it wouldn't be Cameron.
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yeah, True Lies was definitely one of Cameron's last greats. He directs sea monkeys now for goodness sakes.
Alien was just as good as Aliens, and made WAAAAAYYYY before the tech Cameron had at his disposal, and his movies are nearly ALL tech.
BTW, how did Cameron even being half as good as his hype even become in issue in this talkback forum ?!?
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Punk got NO talent.
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You need to realize some home truths kid.
1.) We will always be dealing weapons to countries one minute and then bombing them the next. It's called International Diplomacy.
2.) All politicnas are liars, regardless of party. They are self serving buisness men, and like it or not, the masses elect them.
3.) No the madman on the idiot switch wasn't funded by us. I'm referring to Ali Khamenei (they guy pulling Ahmadinejad's strings). Athough we have had back door dealings with Iran when it suited us.
It's nice being the only super power.
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Regardless of your opinion on rather or not WMDs were in Iraq it was a well point together and intresting movie, although predictable.
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And I take offence to the 'brainwashed' comment. Unless you've seen the good we're doing over ther first hand, you have no real frame of reference except what you see on TV, regardless of the channel or politcal affiation, which always has a slant one way or the other. Get a passport, buy a plane ticket via Jordan or Dubai, come over and see for yourself. Otherwise, you're talking our of your ass. Aftewards, then form an opinion, an whatever it is, whether I agree with it or not, at least you're informed and your welcome to it.
And don't forget that all the troops you see woudl give their lives for your right to defend it, whether they agree with it or not.
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Oh god please!!! The Dems are cowards, who always let the republicans bowl over them. The dems knew the the possibilty of WMDs were weak at best but let Republicans scare them into giving Bush power to invade iraq. Rove did it masterfully. They amped up the fear of terrioism and if you don't support the war you're unamerican and blah blah and Rove crafted right before the midterms. The Dems in Washing ton sicken me and I'm a democratic. This is a weak willed party who can't even fucking govern and THEY HAVE THE DAMN MAJORTY.
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Mar 13, 2010 1:22:36 PM CST
Ha, ha!!! Another anti-American, anti-Iraq War movie bombs
by coughlins laws
at the box office!!! Oh, and BTW, every single Intelligence Agency on EArth believed Saddam STILL had WMDs. We know for 100% fact he had them in the past and he showed ZERO PROOF he got rid of them. Stop trying to re-write history...
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Don't we normally give the movie a whole weekend at least before making that call? Just because day 1 isn't a boomer, doesn't mean the weekend won't change. It's only a movie...
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Is it possible for Matt Damon to make an action film where he isn't killing Americans.
And for all of you whining about Bush and WMD's, quit neglecting history. Clinton set the invasion of Iraq in motion with the "Iraq Liberation Act of 1998", the Bush/WMD stuff was simply the most "sensational" of the media reporting and the most reguritated by the anti-war left who didn't want you to remember the passed legislation of the Clinton Adminstration.
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Basically, you're in favor of more lebensraum for Americans, eh?
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"We know for 100% fact he had them in the past and he showed ZERO PROOF he got rid of them"
I have as yet presented no proof that I am not the emperor of the world.
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No Sir, not at all (but I see what you're saying). It's not about race or land grabbing, it's about doing whats best for America. If I could make it better or different, then I would, it's just the way it is and I personally don't have the choice to change it in my life time. But every American enjoys the benefits whether they realize it or not.
If you haven;t been to Iraq or Afghanistan to see it first hand and form an intelligent opinion...again, you really don;t know what you're talking about. Otherwise you're just istening to me on a web forum or what you get from the media...left or right. No offence intended.
In fact, because we're the big boys on the block, it's just the way the world is. You can't change it (unless you're 35 and can run for POTUS). Even then by the time you've sucked enough corporate cock to get into office, it's 99% likely you'd have sold out your values for personal/party gain and it won't matter.And If you can't accept it, well, better buy enough food for the rest of your life and buy a space shuttle trip to another planet.
It's a flawed system, but there's nothing any of us can do about it. Because both major parties are hst as culpable for the nation's success and failurs. Just continue buying DVD's and going to the movies, support the economy, do your little bit to keep the machine going and die happy. -
...instead of being misled like the ENTIRE FUCKING WORLD, then answer me this: how is it they were smart enough to pull off this massive lie and conspiracy that was able to convince MAJOR HEADS OF STATE and ENTIRE GOVERNMENTS to put their men and women in harm's way...but they WEREN'T SMART ENOUGH TO PLANT WMD's IN IRAQ TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE THEIR CAUSE WAS JUSTIFIED? That single question is enough to convince me the Iraq war is a tragic mistake, but not a (neo)con job.
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First of all, every nation on the planet thought Iraq had WMDs-even France, Germany and Russia. They objected to the invasion because it would effect THEIR supply of oil. Contrary to popular belief the US didn't invade because of oil. The US gets a vast majority of it's oil domestically.
The US invaded because of many reasons. One of which was that the US, as well as almost every other nation on earth, believed Iraq had WMDs. The US had an official policy since 1998-two years before Bush got into office-for regime change in Iraq.
Since the Bush administration, and just about every country on earth, believed Iraq had WMDs, it's not a lie to state that we believe it to be true. A lie is the telling of an known untruth. Since we believed him to have WMDs and we know he had them it's not a lie. It seems that sometime before the protracted invasion of Iraq, Hussein got rid of the WMDs we know he had. Where they went should be the subject of this stupid movie. -
http://tinyurl.com/yl9jyyv Insert Nelson Muntz style laughter here, followed by sound clip from Team America of the words "Matt Damon."
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...for the WMDs angle. Blair admitted they went into Iraq to effect regime change. He thought that the ends justified the means, and that "history would be the judge".
By all means argue the case that getting rid of Saddam was worth the lies about the reason for going in. Just don't pretend that they weren't lies, even if well-intentioned ones.
I think that the neo-cons did have good intentions (in their own minds). I don't think it was all about "stealing oil". They thought that Iraq would become this shining beacon of democracy and prosperity in the middle east. Problem is, they didn't bother listening to the people who were actually experts in the region. Bush's was indeed a "faith-based presidency" where data gathering was seen as the enemy of decisive action.
One of the problems with thinking you know better than the public and the experts is that you can be wrong. Is it still criminal to lie and take hasty action even if you personally believed you were doing the right thing? I think that it is, because checks and balances are in place to prevent hubris and arrogance having enormously damaging consequences. -
Sheesh.
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The left continue to convince themselves that American society thinks the same as they do when in fact we don't. I, and most folks, REGARDLESS of how we feel about the war and reasons leading into it, do not want to see an anti American, anti George Bush movie. I happen to like this country. I am proud of it. I do not need to go spend $10 and sit in a theater full of Bush haters and feel good just because it puts him in a bad light. Nor will I if some Hollywood outsider creates one of Obama. People need to stop playing for political teams and demand honesty from ALL politicians... not just the ones you don't 'like'.
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"American society" elected Barack Obama as president. Clearly, there some disatisfaction with the way things were previously run.
And, the Bush Administration DID lie. They knew that a portion of critical intel came from individuals being tortured, like al-Libi. Such information most often turns out be inaccurate, as people being tortured will tell you what you want to hear so the torture will stop. When you refer to intel derived from torture as gospel truth, you are a fucking liar. Also, when you torture, you take a giant shit on the flag and everything we stand for. -
Is also not a proper justification for a war.
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This was found in Iraq after major fighting had ended:
* 50 deployed Al-Samoud 2 missiles
* Various equipment, including vehicles, engines and warheads, related to the AS2 missiles
* 2 large propellant casting chambers
* 14 155 mm shells filled with mustard gas, the mustard gas totaling approximately 49 litres and still at high purity
* Approximately 500 ml of thiodiglycol
* Some 122 mm chemical warheads
* Some chemical equipment
* 224.6 kg of expired growth media
Also if "Do some fucking in depth reading will you, or just fucking shut up." is the level of your debating ability I've already won. Grow child. -
Genius.
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Now explain to us how immediate and viable a threat these items posed.
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Mr. Roper appears before the UN Security Council. He unveils a briefing about the clear and present posed by Chrissy Snow's breasts. Jack Tripper backs up the intel. Hans Blix becomes flustered by the frank discussion. Mr. Hurley gives an active and inappropriate demonstration of Ms. Snow's destructive capabilities.
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Janet Wood, leads the charge to war. "Sometimes those nearest you, are the deadlies company of all."
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Is tallied after the run is over. This movie cost $100M to produce. If it fails to make that money back at the time it stops it's theatrical run it bombed...but it didn't "bomb" yet.
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will not stop because this movie is a piece of political rhetoric. This movie's only purpose was to put forth a version of history that only the most crazy radical left would believe. I'd say about 5% of the U.S. population believes that the government lied to get us into a war. That 5% is who this movie was made for and maybe to try and covert a few more. Put Matt Damon into an action film and try to convert the uneducated people of the country to believe this highly ludicrous film. To say it is fiction is an insult to fiction.
BTW, Fox news only covered a story by one critic who felt the film was unamerican.
I know what Damon is now, and he is a crazy ideologue. I know most people who frequent this site will now hold him up as a hero for putting forth this crazy propaganda in a mainstream film. It is just really sad that Hollywood can't just make films to entertain. They are no more than a crazy progressive special interest group now. -
over Bush. He may have been a horny old coot, but he's no war criminal.
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Stop getting so worked up about a movie. It's just a piece of entertainment and poses no threat to you. Just like Iraq.
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I don't know. He comes across pretty easygoing and funny in interviews.
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You, sir, are an fucking ass hole for insulting the soldiers who fight for you. Whatever you believe about the war, shut up about the intelligence of our troops. Until you get off your ass and put yourself in harms way for the sake of people you don't even know, just shut up. And speaking of roboticized thinking, sounds like you've been listening to one too many crazy liberal ideologues.
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You don't read too good do you.
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What are you, 16? Bless.
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That kinda makes you an fucking ass hole too. Sorry, I didn't make up the rules. You did.
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It's hard to sift through all the bullshit you people post, so while I apologize if I missed something, I don't feel too bad about it. If I look too long at some of this stuff, my eyes start to bleed.
If Ace is a soldier then he should know better than anyone not to insult them.
Thanks for the insult on my age though, Flibberty. I always get a warm fuzzy feeling inside to know that when someone doesn't have a real argument to make they can always insult my age. I actually am honored you think I am only 16...makes me feel young at heart. -
I want to see a Captain America movie based on the MARVEL COMIC. DAMMIT!
NOT one that is slanted towards either:
AMERICA! FUCK YEAH! Or "AMERICA SUCKS! We are such liars, please forgive our sins!" I want that, old timely feeling i got when i saw the Rocketeer.
Hell, that movie made ME proud to be an American and im Swedish!
I want Good Vs. Evil, With the decent values that most of the world shared once.
Values, that some motherfuckers today, just don't understand!
They need to be schooled. By the Captain!
(Of course, with a 'little help' by Statham as Union Jack:)
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Makes it easier to find my bullshit.
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It does make it easier to go back and read. Even though I couldn't disagree with you more about your posts' content, I am not making fun of you about the caps.
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http://tinyurl.com/yh5nvsa
I know it is the loathsome Fox News, but the guy says he was the main military adviser for the film ad he some interesting points to make about how the plot uses the "government" lied plot-point. It was meant to be fiction, not an accurate representation of what really happened. -
Don't forget to set your clock ahead.
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Ok, I'll keep this quick. the armed forces' humanitarian work: good; involvement in an illegal war: bad. Listen mate, I get it - we've had the same shit rammed down our throats over here: 'if you don't support the troops you're unpatriotic'. It's a deliberate attempt at confusing the issue. I tell you one thing though Rand, if I hear one more military type quoted as saying "we're just following orders" I may actually shit myself in anger.
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For those that are too lazy to buy this awesome movie(The Rocketeer), check these Youtube links:
Joe Johnston 'gets' the Tony Stark character:
http://tinyurl.com/6xqzcv
Stan Lee based Stark on Howard Hughes. Now, Tony Stark isn't in the Cap Movie.(As far as we know) But his father, Howard Stark, might be.
The Infamous(but awesome)Nazi Propaganda Cartoon:
http://tinyurl.com/57n9op
Anyone putting something like that together...belongs on the Cap Movie. Nuff Said.
I hope Joe Does one with Red Skull and Cap in it.
And the aforementioned patriotism moment:
http://tinyurl.com/ykgmsza
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and her family. While I admire our troops whose intentions are good and perform with valor, and deserve being placed on a pedestal, let's not put the psychos up there with them.
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And in many ways, he already is.
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Isn't Damon a quarter Scottish? Not sure if that's what you want for Cap America. Wouldn't be able to fight while the sun was out.
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But I do know Matt's as American as Boston baked beans. And whatever else they eat up there ... I forget at the moment ...
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Is too short. And i dont think Downey(Super Democrat) would Jive with Downey Jr.(Republican)
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Downey Jr. may be conservative, and I respect that, but he's no teabagging wingnut. That's an entirely different animal.
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Mar 13, 2010 11:54:58 PM CST
Cameron isn't an action director? What universe am I in?
by colt19801980
WTF?
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...the government still gets in.
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Indeed.And would you be as quick to point out the number of enemy transgressions of Geneva conventions, Mr. Murtha? Please include names, dates, actions, and nations of origin.Or, hell... at least a biased link that illustrates your diatribe.
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...then why has it failed so miserably at the box office just like every other hate-America-first movie to date?And why did the non-partisan Hurt Locker fare so well at the Oscars?
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And in many ways, he already is.
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I suspect the Oscar jury has been dying to hand out awards to war films. The Hurt Locker was the first safe option. It was completely non-controversial. Unless of course you're British and weren't best pleased at its portrayal of inept 'contractors'!
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I suspect the Oscar jury has been dying to hand out awards to war films. The Hurt Locker was the first safe option. It was completely non-controversial. Unless of course you're British and weren't best pleased at its portrayal of inept 'contractors'!
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I'm great with technology.
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As for enemy transgressions, I imagine you're completely right. However, aren't we supposed to be, you know, 'better'? "Look, they're doing it too!" isn't the best defence I've ever heard.
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I found it refreshing to see a film about a guy just doing his job -- and struggling with the day-to-day -- regardless of the cloud of disparity around him.Of course, there was tons of escapism prevalent in HL yet nothing to rival what was in GZ. We're talking Clancy vs. Lucas here.Back to HL. That movie could have been about anything. Anything. It only happened to take place in Iraq. Damon's flick attempts to prove a point. A dismissive, derisive, divisive point. And all that is cool providing you can smell shit for what it is.
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"As for enemy transgressions, I imagine you're completely right. However, aren't we supposed to be, you know, 'better'? "Look, they're doing it too!" isn't the best defence I've ever heard."And that whole "We have to be better than they!" argument means little when you're on the receiving end.
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Or rapists in waiting?Or bound-to-be-killers?Damn. You're welcome?
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I haven't seen GZ yet, but it sounds like a fairly formulaic actioner centred around the WMD fib (and it WAS a fib - Britain's finest hour). How well that's addressed, I don't know, but I certainly won't be seeing this film for it's politics. I'll read a book for that. Maybe.
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I understand the point. The British Empire wasn't established by gentlemen.
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Fuck Capone. Fuck Greengrass, fuck Damon, and fuck this movie. Propaganda is bullshit, prolix, unsound pandering Left OR Right. And fuck anybody that thought this movie wouldn't suck--if we were commenting on Greengrass' cultural background, that clueless gimp'd be flinging all manner of shithouse invective. Piss off.
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Politicians lie...so what? Is that really news to you? Even if Bush flat out lied, I'm damn glad he did. Our position in Iraq and Afghanistan now allows the Western world to be in a better position to control future threats and keep the reigns of the global economy closer to our control. The Iraqi people are now not subject to random torture and execution. And instead of of some nutjob (Saddam) being in control of a good chunk of the oil that drives your kid's schoolbus to your highschool every day...we are. As well as the fuel that drives the 18 wheeler that delivers your Coors light and frozen Swanson dinners to the local grocery store. As well as all the lorries in the UK (and elsewher in Europe) that delivers the lamb kebab sticks to the local fry up shops.You think fuel prices are bad now? If we weren't there imagine what they'd be. Think about your own wallet and the future of your family. Seriously, who gives a shit of we lied to go in there? A guy who killed his own people almost at the rate of Hitler is dead and we have control of a major natural resource.
And for the record, I don't believe we lied.
We won, our country is better for it. You're on the winning team and the world is a better place. Not sure where I'm being unclear. If you don't like it, like I said, get a passport and move. You can't change it, I can't change it, get over it. -
Mar 14, 2010 6:43:32 AM CDT
The NeoCon apologists STILL have their heads in the sand?!
by wookie_weed
Geezus. Wake the fuck up out of the denial stage, people. GZ is "an insult to our brave fighting men and women"?! Er, no... criticising a war is not criticising the soldiers.
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Yeah, the 'world is a better place' for the thousands of civilians killed and maimed. The world is a better place with more and more anti-West hatred. YEah, what a beautiful fucking world we live in now -- if you have your apathetic fucking head up your arse. Grow a fucking pair of balls, don't be so fucking apathetic!
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... happy she sucked up to the NeoCons and bent over like a Swiss whore in WWII.
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http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/iraq/samoud.htm
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Consider the red carpet rolled out for you, good sir. This country needs a good injection of honor.
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To paraphrase someone above, I might find your sentiments despicable, but your honesty is appreciated. I just find it odd that you have no qualms about your fellow servicemen dying for your cheap gas. Thanks for your service, but I can't help but regret that my tax money subsidized your carelessly homicidal adventure. I would prefer to thank a dead soldier's family for their loss. Anyway, I hope you've benefited more from your efforts than with cheap gas (gas, by the way, that is more expensive than it was pre-war, but that's neither here nor there). Military contractors have made about a trillion of our tax dollars off the wars, and growing. (Funny the wingnuts never complain about the deficit when it comes to war spending. Alas.) Their cheerleading I can understand, yours less so.
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Hey, that's the cost of progress. That's the way its been for hundreds of years. If you don't like it, get elected and change the entire system. Be my guest. If you feel that storngly about it and don't drive your life to to the point wher you have a shot at the White House it's you that's apathetic. Otherwise, you should vist Iraq and Afghanistan and talk to the general populace, who are very happy we're there and are greatful for what we achieved on their behalf. Until you have, and are only listening to what you hear on TV or what you read in the papers (both of which just forward one party or another's right or left leaning political agenda), you have no adult or informed point of reference.
Then if you still don't like it, wait until you're old enough, apply for a passport and move to a country whose policies (that you'll still be powerless to change) that you do agree with.
And I'm not apathetic to any civilian deaths at all Sir, I just recognize it as what it is. Business as usual that makes you and your family safe when you sleep at night and keeps the prices of your fuel (and by extension every single thing you will spend money on in your lifetime) down...which in turn gives the US a better quality of life than anywhere on the planet.
Have you ever even lived outside of the US or do you even own a Passport? Do you know how good you have it?
And make no mistake, the countries that have an anti-western sentiment arent of their opinions strictly because of the Long War. It's because they know they can no longer screw around and expect us to sit back and accept it.
We have the balls to change things for the better when no one else does.
And yeah, you're not paying $20 a gallon to fill up my car or $10 for a Big Mac because it costs s much for McDonalds to tranport it to my local McD's...so it's a pretty good world. Don't like it, get off the internet, graduate high school with good grades, go to a good college, stop wasting your time bitching about movies you'll never be able to change either, be successful enough to buy your own rocket and get the fuck off the planet. Because the US and the way it does business (regardless of party) is here to stay for longer than anyone reading this will be alive, and that's the way it is. But hey, keep whining about it. Go nuts. Keep whining till your head blows up. You won't change a thing. Better to focus on your career and do the best you can, whether you believe in the system or not.
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Mar 14, 2010 8:51:01 AM CDT
FISH - IF I DIDN'T WRITE POSTS FOR YOU TO PLAGIARIZE
by bringingsexyback
what would you do? Be original?
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Fair enough. I respect your opinion, but respectfully disagree.
I realize gas ain't cheap, but what a few folks aren't seeing is if it was as expensive as it could be, and we weren't securing significant natural resources for our and our kid's future's (whether we used WMD or 9/11 as an excuse to secure them or not...which I repeat, I don't think we lied), as well as keeping Iran in check by more or less surrounding it with two 'wars' (really one war launched a couple years apart), it could and would get a heck of a lot worse. You'd be paying $10 for a loaf of Wonder Bread in 5-7 years but you'd still be on 2010 wages. It's just simple economics. Our country would be in ruin.
And while it does pain me that my brothers in arms lay down their lives for any cause (and I mean any...never easy to lose someone), to make the US and its global interests more secure, I accept it, and so did they. That's just the job. No disrespect, but you'd have to be a Soldier and a true Patriot to really get it. -
I have no illusions about what the true price of oil is. America's prices have long been artificially supressed and subsidized by military and political intervention overseas. I'm not naive about that. What we don't pay at the pump we paid in taxes. The return on investment was good, from a business standpoint. No doubt about that, if one takes human lives out of the equation.
But let's analyze your position just a little. Take a look at this graph:
http://www.swivel.com/charts/2282-U-S-Retail-Gasoline-Prices-Since-2000
That traces gas prices from 2000 to 2006. It doesn't even account for the highs of $4 a gallon in, what was it, '07 / '08? Now we're at about $2.80 a gallon and analysts predict another increase this summer. So what has happened is that the wars have permanently doubled gas prices at least.
That doesn't bolser your argument. And what also has happened is that the wars opened the doors for China to enter into negotiations, and trade partnerships, with every oil producing nation in the world - Iraq included, and buy for less than we do.
All I ask is that you take a deeper look at your stance and see if the results hold water for your argument. I don't think it does. I think the wars have done far greater harm to us than you think. -
Ther are US and Coalition troops kicking in doors and killing bad guys even as I type this, right this very second that are fully aware they are doing it for oil and natural gas. Who aren't brainwashed, thousands of which with college degrees from great schools. Smarter and more worldy than any of us here will ever be. But are still doing it as happily as you fellow film nuts will be sitting in the cinema tonight eating popcorn and picking apart someone's film. Make no mistake about it.
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Got it, but think about the long term Sir. Oil reserves world wide are drying up. Now we have instituted 'Western Decomacracy' (although admittedly we screwed up a hell of a lot to get it where it is and it's far from perfect). And we will have at least limited strategic bases in both countries for the next 50 years just like Korea, Japan and Germany.
When the majority of vehicles (commercial and private) start running on alternate fuels...fair enough. Until then, well, either the guys with the resources play nice at the international/economic table or someone in the White House is going to eventually find an excuse to invade. Just the way it is 'provide for the common defense...promote the general welfare. They have to do it, it's their duty.
And for the sake of my family, I'm not unhappy about it.
We should be happy we're part pof the right side, because (for example) all the planes and ships that ferried all the supplies to Haiti ran on petroleum products. No one else went to their rescue, but we paid for it in taxes.
You've got to think 'big picture'. We bascially go to the rescue of the world. No one else really has the capability.
So if we have to get rid of a few dictators that won't give us fair access to natural resources to keep protecting the planet, who cares? It's horrible and tragic that innocentnt get caught in the crossfire, but it's unavoidable. Big boys rules. -
At least you admit to limited oil resources. There are still people - wingnuts, I like to call them - who think it's an infinite resource.
All the more important to reduce our consumption and pour capital - both monetary and human/intellectual - into developing alternative sources.
I do think about the long term, and the Iraq war was not a viable path. Afghanistan, arguably, is. Don't forget, Iraq was already embargoed and under the control of the U.S. and U.K. While Saddam was still ruler, he was no longer the threat he was back in the 80s, early 90s. He was effectively neutralized by the first Gulf War.
I appreciate that we have been probably the world's greatest humanitarian country. But do we have to negate that effort by being the most destructive too?
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How many little girls has he been caught trying to fuck now? Oh, that's right. Lying to cops and exposing himself to (what he thinks) are under-aged girls has no bearing on his penchant for honest and ethical behavior.
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So when a film is a flop, should we call it a "Matt Damon"?
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Anyone who is politically inclined will find this movie boring as shit. There's barely any action, and the SHAKY cam in this movie makes Michael Bays look like a "still-picture". All of the twists that occur in this movie, you've seen covered on MSNBC a thousand times over. So when these "revelations" come to pass, instead of being in suspense your pretty irritated by the familiarity of the subject matter. I would of gave this movie a thumbs up if it was a war film. However, this movie isn't a war movie, it's a detective story where you see the all of the plot twists coming a thousand miles away. And when I went to this movie, the theater was empty. This movie will be lucky to make 30 million.
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Mar 14, 2010 11:50:16 AM CDT
Oh yeah, a buddy of mine just got back from Afghanistan!
by ganymede3001
And he said there's no fucking war we're going win that war. Example, he said the Afghan fighters are located so high in the mountains, that they're always shooting down on them and their helicopters. He also said that they're so high up, that American soldiers call barely fucking breathe, and they succumb to each and every illness one can attain from extreme high elevation. The Afghans he said, have been traversing those high mountain ranges for 1000 generations. He said the anatomy of a Afghan insurgent is vastly different to ours. He said in elevations where they can hardly breathe, these "skinny" Afghanis can walk them with no problems, all while having "hundreds" of pounds of equipment on their backs. He said it was the most insane shit he's ever seen. And he was lucky to make it out alive.
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Seems your reading comprehension could use some touching up, not to mention a dose of cure for that bad case of BDS. Keep on crying about "LIES!!!" and every other emotional lefty argument you guys have. I chuckle every time one of you tards play the "Daddy" card... it's all emotional BS with you people. He lied! He's getting revenge for his 'daddy'!! It's all for the oil!! He wants to kill all blacks and gay people!! Dear God you folks need some help.
Anyway, reread my comment. REGARDLESS of what the facts or beliefs are, most people not afflicted with Bush Derangement Syndrome do not care to pay $10 to sit in a theater filled with anti-American, Bush-haters.
The proof is in the pudding Sarge, where are the viewers for this movie and all the other Hollywood lefty anti-Bush films?? The election is one thing, voting out an administration. But unlike you, people are not happiest when they are angry, bitchy, and ranting. And you prove my case, all you lefties think the rest of the world thinks like you. We don't. Keep carping on about lies and 'daddy' issues, nobody is listening. -
So, to you, people who hated Bush were "anti-American". Thank God the majority of the country doesn't think like you. How does it feel to be a pig ignorant slob?
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Cuz that dude just "Piablo'd" Sgt. Hatred! Uh, I mean Steiner.
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Eat a dick, libs.
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Synonymous with "flop?" Lets look at the numbers.
Good Will Hunting: $138M. Oscars for best screenplay, best supporting actor. Saving Private Ryan $216M/Oscars. Oceans 11: $183M. Bourne series: over $500m domestic oceans 13: $117m Like other actors, some movies didn't do well. So far, he's earned a LOT more than he has flopped. -
LMAO! If you're going to insult me at least put some punch behind it. I'm here attacking your core beliefs and (lack of)principles and the best you come up with are three words of connotative babble. I'm arguing here with an emotional teenage girl! Well Betsy, anti-American is a pretty easy definition. I don't like everything Bush did but I don't 'hate' him. I don't like most of what Obama does but I don't hate him either. The question is, why do you "hate" George W. Bush so much? And don't give me the usual BS about him being stupid or not being a good public speaker and any other half-assed lie. Try some honesty. It's the conservative principles that he espouses that drive you people nuts. Whether you like it or not, those conservative principles are what founded this country. God. Democracy. Freedom. If you don't have a problem with those principles then don't get your pink polka-dotted panties in a bunch when I call you and people like you anti-American. But don't be so surprised when someone does label you when you side and agree with people who choose socialism over capitalism. People who do not believe in the Bill Of Rights. People who want to eradicate Christianity and all forms of its expression. Yep, those people ARE anti-Americans. So why is this movie anti-American? Because it ignores reality in order to slander a conservative and a nation who supported him. This movie isn't so much to bash Bush as it is to shit in the face of people who supported him. It's a slap in the face to all those who support the war for the many other reasons we went there besides WMDs, like Democracy and Freedom. I rest my case Betsy.
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Damon's released six films since the last Bourne movie in 2007 and not a single one's been a hit. At this point he's going to have to get Clooney to make "Oceans 14" or something to keep his career going.
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It's below 50% at RT, it did a pathetic $14 million at the box office (less than 1/6 of it's cost), but it portrays Americans as the bad guys so Capone had an orgasm watching it. Nothing new here.
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Stallone and others have gone 5, even 10+ years without a hit. Matt Damon did fine in "Invictus" and was nominated for an Oscar. He wasn't the reason for low box office.
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Fighter pilot huh? Too fucking cool. I've been playing HAWX and the farthest I've gotten is fending off an attack on Rio de Janeiro. So I can attest to how hard your job was. :)
And thanks for bringing up General Smedley Butler earlier. I'd heard about him on a radio program a few years ago and was racking my brain recently to recall who he was, so I can track his book down. And there it is. Thanks for that.
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LOL spot on. Piablo took "Sgt." Steiner apart and left nothing for the roaches to clean up. And yes, I used "Sgt." because there's no way that kid's ever worn a uniform. Well, maybe he got some medals in Call of Duty or something. LOL.
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If you really believe the invasion was about democracy and freedom, then you are really fucking naive.
As for the whole, "Christianity" bit, what the heall are you talking about? "War on Christmas", protecting the separation between church and state, not teaching intelligent design in schools because it's creationism pretending to be science? And "socialism"? Really? I suppose you are referring to the idea of "government-run" healthcare? Or something? If that's "socialism", than refuse to accept Medicare and social security when you get old. The spouting of a few general ideas like GOD, DEMOCRACY, and FREEDOM does not make patriotic, it makes you a grandstander. Waving the flag is not a display of intelligence. In fact, it was a lack of intelligence that lead to the War in Iraq in the first place. Come on, admit, you were duped. But do it like a man, and not like some little bitch. Do you support the use of waterboarding to interrogate terrorists in custody? I don't because I live in the real world where ethics and morality matter. So, why don't you get your fuckin' Bible outta my face, and go get your fuckin' shine box! -
"Sgt. Steiner" was a character in Sam Peckinpah's "Cross of Iron". But I realize your film knowledge does not extend beyond "Avatar" and "The Dark Knight".
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Never was a fan of Peckinpah, exception being "The Wild Bunch." I actually did know a Sgt. Steiner during the Gulf War. Nice try, though.
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Pwnage is self-evident. A bunch of dorks slapping each others' backs over some half-assed insults that would be laughed out of a schoolyard is most definitely not pwnage. Piablo'd? That's just embarassing.
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Who told you we're looked at in the Middle East as the Great Satan that isn't an Islamic extremist? Have you even been to the Middle East? I've been to just about every country there (except Iran and Syria). That is not how we're viewed by the majority of the region anymore, believe me. That's a 1980's attitude. Iran and Syria spout pff now and again because we've severly eroded their power base, which for the sake of your family and mine, is a very good thing. There will be regime chnage in both before long, might take another 20 years, but your can count on it.
And who told you that the Iraqis still don't have essential services? Have you ever been to Iraq? They have more now than they ever had before the invasion, and of better quality. To say they're not better off now is absolute BS. And in addition to having better power, water, food, consumer goods and medical care, now they're a free democratic country. And because we're there, Iran will never invade them again.
Admittedly they have a hell of a long road ahead before it's still as free as Western Democracy, but it's a huge process, it takes time after being under the rule of a murdering dictator for decades.
Seriously, have you ever been to Bagdhad or spoken to an Iraqi? I have. They are happy as hell to have us there and most are nervous about us pulling out.
Unplug from the main stream media (from either side of the fence), unplug your internet, get your passport out, buy a couple plane tickets and go take a look for yourself before preaching about something you obviously do not have an informed opinion about.
It's like talking about what the UK still thinks of the Monarchy without actually speaking yourself to a few Brits...and only getting your opinions from the Sun, Times, Metro, Telegraph, ITV, and the BBC. They all either have ad space, commercial spots or TV licenses to sell. They'll say anything that grabs someone's attention so more (say) 'Persil' gets sold.
Better to fly into Gatwick, catch a train into Paddington, get down to a few pubs pub down towards Edgeware Road and all along the way speak to a few dozen Londoners if you really want to know whats going on. Get it? Unless you do, it's you that's being brainwashed.
With all respect to your service, you don't know what your talking about here, seriously.
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Sorry Sir, but your viewpoint continues to amuse me. If you do ever get visit the region, come back and tell us how many locals you see at night on the downtown streets of Baghdad, Amman, Cairo, Beruit, Dubai, Doha, Muscat, Abhu Dhabi, Kuwait City, etc, walking along listening to Michael Jackson (for some bizarre reason he's huge over there) on their Ipods wearing Levis, with a Coke in one hand and a cheeseburger in the other on their way to some disco. I have a feeling you'll be shocked. Even stop a couple and ask for directions and watch them be happy as hell to try an help you...IN ENGLISH. Even the guys in the dishdashes are walking around with a bucket of extra crispy and GAP shorts under their robes when they're on their way to prayer...after they've just finished watching a bit of MTV. I shit you not.
It's not Disney world, and it can be pretty backwards sometimes, but they're not as anti-Western as you think by a million miles. It's actually a pretty amazing region. You should get out more. -
You can't really criticize people for being a little wary of visiting the region. "Where are we holidaying this year, honey?" "Well, Baghdad's cheap!" ;)
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that most people spend some of their leisure time and extra income at the movies to be entertained, not depressed. It isn't really more complicated than that. And anything focused on the current events in the Middle East (American soldiers risking their lives, oil bureaucracy, terrorism) is, by definition, depressing. It doesn't matter if a movie's really well done (Hurt Locker), most people aren't spending their $ and time on a Saturday to go remind themselves the world can be a shitty place.
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Agreed. I think people are reading too much into the reasons behind these films tanking.
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Gatwick trains come into Victoria. Heathrow trains come into Paddington. The Edgware Road is a separate, non-integrated pan-Asian community these days.
Green Zone is a stupid persons idea of what a smart action movie looks like. -
...films based in and around the conflict in the middle east do not make money; a big star 100 plus budget plus coming off the Bourne films and this flick could not muster $15 million over the weekend? Oh dear...and yes Greengrass is over rated and a director with two tricks up his sleeve shaky cam and speed editing...
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How more fucked up can you get?
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Are you suggesting that just because someone's visited a place, doesn't mean they really understand it? Interesting...
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Dude, like, that's so common you wouldn't believe. In fact, i would call that "american tourism", where the first thing they do when they land in a foreign country is to ask where's the local McDonalds.
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lol - I was kinda responding to Dude_Gimme_Tabs, and taking a jovial swipe at Leroyspoboys ;) I'm aware of American tourists. i got stuck in an all-you-can-eat restaurant with a bunch once. They scared me.
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What, they ate all the buffet?
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these movies don't sell. Why? War is hell. And even movies that do well are desperately depressing. Movies that show Americans and America in a good light, like Saving Private Ryan or Black Hawk Down, are really tough to watch and enjoy simply because of the subject matter. So yeah, we can enjoy Avatar or Star Wars because those are so clearly fantastic events with no basis in real life. So Why does Hollywood keep foisting them on us? Even they should be able to read the simple economics of it.
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They decimated it. 'Shock and awe' indeed.
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But otherwise good review, thanks!
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Yeah, maybe in FoxNewsWorld(tm).
Stop supporting the Republicans as though they were your local football team. Seriously. -
Oh, I always thought "pwned" meant "trumped in all ways possible". I guess it changed to mean "attempted to defeat by means of a heartfelt but slightly childish rant"?
I just can't keep up with the kids these days, with their hippin' and their hoppin'. -
we know they're not gonna find WMD's. No suspense there. And since Matt Damon's character is never in real jeopardy (save for 5 minutes at the end), there's virtually NO suspense. Imagine watching Avatar with Sully bringing the news that there will be NO attack on the Na'vi. That's what Green Zone feels like.
Why Universal spent $100 million on this self-indulgent piece of work nobody saw (basically erasing most of the profits from the Bourne films) is beyond me and really shows how idiotic studio executives can be. -
How long do we have to wait? It obviously will not make it's money back. How about just calling it a flop?
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Mar 15, 2010 2:47:16 PM CDT
No, the biggest problem with this flick is that the target
by coughlins laws
audience for this, that wants to cheer for American soldiers being killed, is very small...
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Some tension, but overall pretty mediocre. If you have to further the plot of a film by having your protagonist go online and read about what he should already know (via an awkwardly overlong scene of headlines and text and lots of keyboard clacking!!! Look I'm researching!) then you need some rewrites and serious editing. Anti-american? Not really. Just anti "mission accomplished" propaganda. Heavy handed and lumbering.
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Yes they were. And all of the frisky indelible ignorance in the world will not make that fact go away. Simply Google Iraq, WMD, and Syria and you'll have enough reading from here to next year as to where those WMDs were. George W. Bush and the rest of the world that fought with us in Iraq did not lie and did not have faulty intelligence. Almost to the day 7 years ago, the invasion of Iraq was preceded by a year and a half of sanctions and bureaucracy that allowed Saddam and his generals to move weapons across borders and into desert bunkers. American soldiers found the evidence and the traces. They existed and they were moved. WMDs are not the only reason this war took place. All of this energy trying to dispel the existence of WMDs in an effort to build a case against the war is mind boggling. It's a massive display of complete and total ignorance of policy and history. You folks on the fringe left have this image in mind that George Bush is this lone evil man who somehow bamboozled the Senate, the House, foreign governments, his own Joint Chiefs of Staff... this guy who is supposedly the dumbest man to ever walk the planet??? How childish!! You folks ignore the fact that the world saw the evidence. Our own bi-partisan Senate Intelligence Committee saw the evidence. Republicans AND Democrats all acknowledged the evidence and supported the invasion. Colin Powell, anything but a Bush supporter, saw the evidence and went to the UN with it! But today, while consumed in Bush-Derangement-Syndrome, you folks on the fringe choose to ignore the facts in order to bathe in the hatred of the former president. Honestly, I suggest Paxil, Prozac, or maybe some lithium for those of you with severe cases, take a few pills and get some help. Whose side are you on?
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Just to respond to the drivel being posted by Ace of Wands (which may be the biggest pussy login name I have ever heard). *Ahem* Ace of Wands - fuck you, you commie piece of shit. That is all.....
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It's anti-american a movie that exposes the lies of the Bush administration? If anything, it's you who are the true anti-american. Shame on you.
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Boo hoo hoo, your team lost the political Super Bowl.
" You folks on the fringe left have this image in mind that George Bush is this lone evil man who somehow bamboozled the Senate, the House, foreign governments, his own Joint Chiefs of Staff"
Bush wasn't evil. He was just incompetent, and didn't listen to anybody whose opinion didn't chime with his own. The second worst kind of leader. -
"Colin Powell, anything but a Bush supporter, saw the evidence and went to the UN with it"
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200509/s1456650.htm
Powell regrets UN speech on Iraq WMDs
Former US secretary of state Colin Powell says his United Nations speech making the case for the US-led war on Iraq was "a blot" on his record.
Mr Powell has also said that he had "never seen evidence to suggest" a connection between the September 11, 2001 terror attacks in the United States and the Saddam regime.
In the February 2003 presentation to the UN Security Council, Mr Powell forcefully made the case for war on the regime of Saddam Hussein, offering "proof" that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction (WMD).
The presentation included satellite photos of trucks that Mr Powell identified as mobile bioweapons laboratories.
After the invasion, US weapons inspectors reported finding no Iraqi nuclear, biological or chemical weapons.
In an interview with American ABC TV news to be broadcast on Friday (US time), Mr Powell said "it's a blot" on his record.
"I'm the one who presented it on behalf of the United States to the world, and (it) will always be a part of my record. It was painful. It's painful now," he said. -
If he had the minimum suspicion that the intel was faulty and he was convincing for a war on faulty evidence, he should had done what any good military men would: offer his resignation for reasons of ethics. Soldiers, spcially offecers, are trained to followe their best judgement, even if it makes them put their career on the line. Colin Powell, howeve,r is mroe a politician then a soldier, and thus, he went with the lie anyway, a lie he was aware he was perpectuating. That's not the actions of a soldier and an officer and a gerntleman, that's the actions of a partizan politician who's after his own ass. Colin Powell can now beat his chest in meo culpa all he want,s but the fact remains, he perpectuate a lie he himself only half believed at best. Fuck him. He deserves to have history be harsh on him.
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That's still fucking cool. Surely you have no shortage of worldly experience. I know it's common for a lot of vets who've seen war up close to later give voice to the anti-war side. And your posts are authoritative, full of informed opinion derived from experience and they are a pleasure to read. Many thanks.
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Mission Accomplished!
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No one wants to watch politically left crap like this. Bush and the rest of the countries, officials, what have you did not lie. Everyone had the same info at their disposal. Matt Damon is full of it. Matt, may all your political movies royal bomb.
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about anything. He didn't lie. The intelligence was possibly wrong. However, the CIA, Australian Intelligence, British Intelligence, and the UN Security Council ALL thought Saddam still had WMDs (we know for 100% FACT that he had them and showed ZERO PROOF he had abandoned the WMD and nuke programs). The consensus of the world community and all of the leaders of this country Republicans AND Democrats, ALL thought he still had WMDs and Saddam certainly acted like he still had them...
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there is NO MONEY to be made making movie after movie that are anti-American, anti-US soldier. It's bad business and the fact that they keep making these movies that no one wants to see shows that it has nothing to do with business...
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To you, anti-Iraq War film = Anti-soldier and Anti-American.
It's amazing you are incapable of realizing how stupid that sounds. -
I haven't seen the film, and, for all I know, it could suck a nut.
Like "Avatar". -
Mar 15, 2010 10:19:32 PM CDT
No, this film isn't just anti-Iraq War. They want you to
by coughlins laws
cheer the killing of American soldiers. Explain to me how that's NOT anti-American...
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...nevermind the loss of lives, is that it paved the way for Obama to be elected. Americans were so disenfranchised with their leadership that they elected a charismatic, arrogant, Socialist jackass on his guarantee that he would pull us out of Iraq. Now we're stuck with this kook who can't seem to get over the fact that his mommy got sick and died. Poor baby. Shit happens. Now suck it up like a man and lead the country. The economy is swirling down the shitter and numbnuts in the Oval Office can't let go of his mad-on for the meanie insurance companies and greedy doctors who killed poor mommy. Nice going, Bush.
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Quite right, Gatwick express does come into Victoria. My mistake. Was thinking Heathrow Express.
But you're talking about almost ancient history when you talk about what the Western world has done as far as attrocities. Today the US and to a lesser extent the UK are the only nations to go to the worlds rescue when natural distasters happen or a country agresses its neighbors/it's own people....or poses a threat to us. Yes we've killed innocents in war. Just last week in fact. But that's life and I can assure you it wasn't intentional. You're an ex-serviceman yourself, so hopefully you know that. But our cause is just. It really sounds like you're not very happy living in the UK, and you definitely don't know what youre talking about in regards to the Middle East. Why don't you move? Lots of other countries in the Commonwealth that only take a bit of paperwork to immigrate to. Find a country you can be proud of, let go of this misplaced angst your harboring, get some first hand perspective and let us know how you get on. Good luck. -
But can he not talk like a thried-grade teacher to two political parties who behave like third graders. And there is nothing "socialist" about creating competition for the insurance companies, thereby evening the playing field and saving people money. Also, a public option would save businesses the money would spend setting up costly insurance plans for their employees. The kind of programs negotiated by overzealous unions. But, this being said, Serious Black is pretty cool name, as Gary Oldman is the shit.
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"Third grade teacher." Mountain Dew and syntax clearly do not mix.
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Mar 16, 2010 3:46:48 AM CDT
The fucking fundie asses illiterate rednecks are posting here
by asimovlives
Teir same old stupid shit. Obama a socialist? you wouldn't know a socialist evne if he hit you in the face with a board. Fucking shit, how fucking ignorant the fundie asses rednecks can be! Fucking delusional to say the least!
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Settle down! Jesus! I enjoy Cameron's works, but you brought him up in response to MY post, adding him to a list I'd designated as "directors of breathless, REALISTIC, action". He's clearly not in the same stylistic camp as the others I mentioned. Good lord.
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"Misplaced angst"? No, that's not how it comes across. A lot of Ace's comments seem considered and reasonable and backed up by serious credentials. You on the other hand (and forgive me, it's not my wish to offend you), seem to exude a strange mixture of patriotism and fatalism. It might also help if you didn't throw out generic, parroted soundbites that make you sound like Jack Nicholson in a Few Good Men.
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And don't mind the bollocks from the chickenhawk redneck Georgie Dumbya Bushie ass kissing idiots.
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Mar 16, 2010 7:50:23 AM CDT
Any movie that pisses off the George Dumbya Bush ass-kissers
by asimovlives
is a good movie.
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cheering for killing American soldiers?
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Have you even seen the movie? Do you know for a fact that it cheers on the killing of American soldiers? Or are you attributing motives to the filmmakers without a shred of evidence?
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http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/4349434.html
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Your attitiude does not reflect the attitude of any British servicemen I've met, and I live just down the street from the retired home next to Stamford Bridge (CFC)in Fulham. I know many ex-British servicemen. And have met many ex and Active British servicemen in Iraq. None share your sentiments. If you don't like the way the UK does business, try another country, otherwise, please stop whining about things you can't change and clearly don't understand. Or get yourself elected and try and change it, otherwise you need to find your happy place and get over it.
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Nope, you're wrong. I don't pick who I mix with based on political bias. I mix with all sorts.
Tell it to this man from my old unit who chose to stay in instead of just collect retirement. Every person in my old unit gets more real intellignce that 99.9% of the planet will never see and still chooses to get in the mix because they believe in the cause of their country.
http://news.soc.mil/releases/News%20Archive/2010/March/100318-01.html
That kid knows more of the truth that you ever will, because frankly, you've never been to those countries. And while I don't know him personsally, it's likely he's already a college graduate and has a very informed opinion.
I have read all of your posts, in detail.
I'm not in the minority, as I'm just like you, living in the Western world enjoying the benefits of the resources we've just secured in Iraq and Afghanistan. As you read this, it's likely on a PC where the power is coming from a company that burns oil to provide the power and the food your eating was cooked on natural gas. You're reaping the benifits right now. Again, resouces we've just secured for (sadly) just a little while longer. And we've gotten rid of some bad guys and (sadly) some innocents have died in the process. But a hell of a lot less innocents than if we would have stood back and done nothing. Get over it. It's just reality man. The car you drove to work today...did it run on dolphin hugs or gasoline? Seriously.
Just answer this...have you been to Iraq and talked to any Iraqis? If the answer is no, then seriously you need to stop making yourself look silly.
I even have a couple shop owners right here in Fulham that are Iraqi that are happy as hell we are there making their familes lives better, even though some innocents have died, because the amount of innocents dying now are a fraction of what Saddam executed every year.
Lets say Gordon Brown started gassing folks in Birmingham, killing around 1,000 per week. Whats better...the US coming in to save the Brummies and accidently killing a couple thousand of Brits in the process over 5 years in freindly fire, or letting tubby Brown continue killing about 50,000 Brits every year out of racial hatred?
And bonus! Weve secured some major natural resources.
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http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/4349434.html
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Go to popularmechanics.com and select technology-militay and law enforcement.
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Hey man, with all due respect for your service, you need to chill out.
Whether we agree on the methodology or not, the facts are what they are. This is the world we live in. If you dont like it, get a US passport, become local state REP, get the law changed that you don't have to be a natural born US citizen to be POTUS and run for President. Because that office is the only one that can really change things on the planet.
Otherwise you're just wasting your energy. Find your happy place and just be done with it. You won't change it in your lifetime.
Just get over it, be happy that both our governments are working in our best interests (generally...although they do sometimes fuck up like every corporate driven organisation) and move on.
Otherwise, get 'Branson Rich' build a rocket and get off the planet. It's the only way you'll save your self from what I suspect will be a stress induced aneurism by ranting about shit you just can't change.
And you still haven't answerd my question. Have you ever actually talked to an Iraqi or actually walked around in Baghdad aftre the 2003 invasion? Or did you just shoot them from a distance in '91?
If you had met a newly liberated Iraqi, you'd have an informed opinion. If you haven't than you simply don't know what you're talking about.
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And you are reaping the benefits of my 'insane military adventure'. There still hasn't been another attack here since 7/7, because we're engaging them on their own ground and giving the something to shoot at. All the nutjobs here are buying plane tickets and going there to shot at our guys instead of blowing themselves up on Tubes. And our guys are kicking their asses. And the trucks that bring the food to your local Safeway run on a fuel source we've secured... which keeps the price of your beer, crisps and fish and chips down. 20% of the cost of any items you buy is based on transport costs. Basic economics. Imagine having the cost of the groceries you buy this afternoon at ASDA for the weekend increased by 20% because we've started to run out of petrol? Yes pertol prices are inflated, but imagine of there was a shortage how much more the petrol companies would inflate them. Remember the petrol strikes in 2000? The price of everything in the whole country went up for a few weeks. Imagine if that change was forever..and increasingly got worse.
If you are a person living in an area that could be hit by a terrorist or a Western style consumer (which you are), than the Long War is doing nothing but make you and your family's life better.
It's not rhetoric Sir, it's reality
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