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The First TRON LEGACY trailer is now here!
HEy folks, Harry here with the awesome that is TRON: LEGACY. At least I hope. The trailer is all about atmosphere and setup. We learn, it feels cool. Looks interesting as hell, but we don't really know much about where this is all headed. I like that. The awesome reader that discovered this secret location of TRON LEGACY Trailer goodness? Here he is:
Harry,
Long time reader, love the site, thought you'd like to know about the new Tron Legacy Trailer if you haven't already... another couple of websites pooped up leading to more puzzles and stuff i can't figure out (damn computer codes), but ultimately to this website: Program-Glitch-Esc.net . As one of the few people who didn't see Alice in Wonderland over the weekend (doesn't come out until April here in Japan), I was waiting and searching a lot for it, and here it is!!!
V/R,
"TokyoJay"
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YAHOO!!!!!!!!!
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Highlight of the Oscars for sure.
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HOLE!
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I was never into the first Tron but this looks like it'll be some sweet eye candy...
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saw this at an Alice in wonderland sneak. Words can't describe the awesomness that will be Tron Legacy. Wonder how much my light cycles are now....
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3D, that look, big money maker.
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Is it me or was there something seriously creepy going on with the guy fighting with Sam in the disc match and its becoming crystal Clu 2.0 ain't such a nice guy?
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That looks pretty cool! Sign me up!
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LONG LIVE FLYNN!!!
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Now Tron 2 will be billed as starring 'Academy Award Winning Actor Jeff Bridges'. How's that for weight?
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DAMN. Just damn.
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Wizard of Oz>Return to Oz - 46 years
Tron> Tron Legacy - 28 years
Star Wars> Phantom Menace - 22 years
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Only movie I'm looking forward to this year. That chick looks hot in the skin tight suit. The recognizer looks cool too.
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Mar 08, 2010 10:45:57 PM CST
My WIFE is already begging me to take her to this...
by shut the fuck up donny
I smell a major hit.
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...but, shit, I'm in.
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But that's all those people got that waited for hours? blimey. Looks great though!
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Alan One looks soooooooo old...
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Great trailer, but the 3D seemed out of focus compared to the Toy Story 3 and How to Train Your Dragon 3D trailers. Perhaps the live-action 3D bugs haven't all been worked out yet.
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....they got a FLYNN LIVES T-Shirt! Ha! Still.....I feel for the people that traveled long distances.
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EXCELLENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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When I first saw this, I didn't even realize that was Bruce Boxleitner! Dang, he's old.
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Most of which did not get it. Meanwhile, I totally got it -- at 5. I still cannot believe that so many people were challenged by TRON.
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"David Bowie" playing air guitar, and Sam's 'whoa..." line.
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....go to Flynn's arcade and help Flynn, Jr. investigate. Geez dude, you may look old but it's just down the block. Oh, and I hope we get to see the old TRON arcade game in action with the old theme music and everything. Speaking of which, will they revive the old theme music with a 21st century update? Let's hope so.
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I will boycott the film if they do not film a cameo with her and shoehorn it in somewhere. I MEAN IT!!! (Not really.)
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You stupid bastard. If you were in front of me yawning after that awesome trailer I would have kicked your balls off.
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Flynn's 'you have no idea' comment to Sam's 'Long time...' Remember that that Flynn spent hours if not days in the computer world, and only a second or two had passed in the real world. If Flynn has been in there for 20 human years, he may have spent hundreds of years in the computer world. Also the game was space paranoids, there was never a Tron game in the first film. But I still can't wait!
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Very well done, and how sexy is Olivia Wilde on the couch? I just hope they get a young David Warner/Sark in there somewhere to go with their nu-Flynn.
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Mar 08, 2010 11:02:54 PM CST
Sometimes it looks like MJ & Janet Jackson's SCREAM Video.
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....Does the first half of this trailer have a serious Batman Begins / Dark Knight vibe to it?... I mean everything from the night-time color palette, to the helicopter shot of a rooftop to the over the shoulder of the kid on the bike wizzing through night-time traffic. Hell, even the music had that vibe to it. Not that I'm complaining. I just wanted to point it out, is all.
Also, I did find it interesting that the white-suited guy / gal in the computer world was holding and stroking his cane, crowbar, futuristic guitar thingy like it was an oversized penis.... And in a Disney flick that's going to be in 3D no less. LOL!!! PARENTS GET YOUR PANTIES IN A BUNCH STARING NOW!!! Ha, ha, ha!!! -
Reminded me of anime, seeing Olivia Wilde in a skintight suit with lights on it. Gotta say, an update in effects and style for TRON looks gooooooood.
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Or am I totally wrong? If I am right....HOW IN THE HELL CAN THEY DO THAT???!?!!??? My mind is boggled.
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Pure 80's awesomeness, I've been waiting for that aesthetic to come back for years
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Mar 08, 2010 11:10:39 PM CST
And Wilde, hottest genre girl since Angelina Jolie in Hackers
by industrykiller!
With the Sally Bowles haircut...wow.
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That's what I'm talking about! AWESOME!
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The e-mail sent to Harry reads plantish, like nobody's playing the Tron online game and thus somebody had to leak the trailer straight. Still, as I said above, an awesome teaser nonetheless.
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That honestly looks pretty friggin badass. And it has The Dude in it. How could you go wrong.
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YES YES YES YES YES!
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THAT LOOKS FUCKING AWESOME!
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saw this on saturday, and the shit looks sweet. the only preview i got excited about seeing. visually, it's gonna be great, and the soundtrack will not fail us, those who still love the original. i just pray the storyline holds up. you never know. either way, i'm fuckin' there opening weekend, with goofy-looking glasses, and a child-like grin on my face!
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I was SO afraid the humanoid characters would be 100% CGI inside the computer world. I'm very happy they aren't.
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...he really can't afford to risk his life inside the computer world.
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I don't just mean the look of the film, the updates in style, etc. I mean the lighting and the camera moves. A+ work, folks.
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From the looks of it. It has the disc battles. Lightcycle racing. hot chicks. I'm in!
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I thought the trailer was alright until I saw the CGI disc dude swing the disc and look like a shitty video game person. Maybe that's the point, but it still looks like shit. Didn't care for the trailer much, but Bridges will keep me excited anyway. I hope this is good. CGI is just so fucking lame and tired.
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Or their unholy love child strumming air guitar?
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I love how the music sounds like it's glitching out when the title card comes up. Great job, Daft Punk.
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What were all you bitches complaining about?
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Mar 08, 2010 11:31:57 PM CST
Looks better than good. Sometimes, it's better to wait for a go
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I thought it was just an accelerated human movement. By that very perception, I don't think this can be considered shiity, lame, or tired. I don't think you're going to find a large enough consensus on that one.
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Mar 08, 2010 11:33:08 PM CST
Could've been worse, Justin Chatwin could've been in it!
by the dark nolan
Oh well, sometimes ok trailers plunge out great movies. Keepin my fingers crossed.
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The ONLY redeemable part of seeing that cinematic abortion. I never saw the first Tron, but this looks pretty rad. I'll have to netflix Tron.
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Listen here youngin' I saw the original Tron in the theaters and played the video game for a decade. In an Arcade instead of sitting on your ass at home and playing with your console. You had to have balls back then to walk into a hostile environment with everything from drug dealers to gang-bangers occupying it to play a video game. But hey, the nerd in me would not be denied. The Arcades on the Southside of Chicago were not the ones you saw in the Wizard, trust me Fred Savage would've gotten his ass kicked!
While the Tron video game was a special kind of fun, the movie was beautiful and innovative yet boring as shit. Compared to the other films I enjoyed that year such as Conan the Barbarian, 48 hrs., Poltergeist, Star Trek 2, Porky's, Rocky 3. The Beast Within, Blade Runner, Cat People, The Dark Crystal, Fast Times at Ridgemont High and Pink Floyd's the Wall to name a few. So excuse me if I don't get all excited about Disney's attempt to bring back a franchise that was easily forgotten among better films of that year.
Besides I'm sick of trailers reminding of how cool they are with the led character saying either "WHOA!, "THIS IS GREAT"! OR 'Hang on!"
The visuals in Tron Reboot are stunning the soundtrack is sweet but I guarantee I'll be sleep fifteen minutes into this thing, other than the cycles (which is this franchises' saving grace) And the new costume designs this thing looks like a Movado commercial!
Oh and Cujo you must be a real pussy to want to kick someone in the balls. That's how a bitch would fight, so thanks for clearing up what you are. -
If Flynn's been trapped in the computer world for hundreds of years, from his perspective, he's probably gone a little "Rousseau", no?
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(Sorry Cobes) Unless the other guy is 200 pounds heavier and about 2 feet taller. Than it might be acceptable.
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Or is he revered as a God all Col. Kurtz style? I shudder to think...
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It looks good, but when people don't move like people, it kills the fucking reality of the scene. Reality needs to remain in CG heavy films, and I'm nervous this one will fuck it up like the rest. The Original Tron got it right and it was the first film to use CG. How ironic would it be if this film fucked it up. That swinging shot is a CG accelerated shot of a real person, unnecessary and lame. But if they avoid doing it too much, the visuals can keep the real look and be fucking amazing. Too much though is too much. Can't wait!! Although Patrocles is a tool of a pick for the lead opposite Bridges.
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I thought that was a nice subliminal shout-out to Neo.
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I don't have anything against him. He seemed likable enough so far in what few scenes he had during this teaser. I can't say the same for other young male leads, like the one in the Stepfather remake who came across as one of the worst kinds of douche-bags during the trailers for that film. Looking like John Mayer's younger brother doesn't help either. But back to the topic at hand, yes I can't wait for this one either! The Dude abides!
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Now I'm imagining that they've basically adapted Heart of Darkness for the 21st century.
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Wow, I have to say, I'm taken aback...that looks like something I may really enjoy. I saw the original Tron back in the day, and played the game, but it's really a faded memory, I don't really recall much of the film at all, other than the look. It's now a priority to rewatch it, and grab a mame of the game.
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I'm sitting here having a tears of joy episode, man! Sometimes sequels are nessesary ^_^
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I didn't like that guy in anything else he's done. Hoping this is different. However, yes, could've been a much worse person such as....Topher Grace, although his brilliance as Venom showed me he'll be Oscar worthy one day, for Triumph to poop on. Just make a movie starring only Jeff Bridges.
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I absolutely thought the same thing about that music tone at the title. It's not exactly glitchy, it sounded like an 80s arcade sound to me, worked into the noise, like the speakers almost can't handle the sound...I loved that little touch, I'm glad someone else noticed it...
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Will reinvent the way movies are experienced Epic masterpiece mind-blowing Photo-realJaw-droppingCGI unlike anything you have seen before Like dreaming with your eyes openGame-changerThis generation's Stars Wars
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How fucking creepy would that be?! TRON as Heart of Darkness. I just hope the Dude doesn't go out by Laser Disc in the end.
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"Greetings programs!"
credits.......3 million years later, Tron Legacy.
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If I have to see Trannyformers write that spiel one more time, especially the one about "Like dreaming with your eyes open", I'm gonna shoot somebody!
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You bore me.
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See, for example, http://my.spill.com/profiles/blogs/comiccon-2009-tron-legacy. "Bridges compared the more aged Flynn to Marlon Brando’s ‘Colonel Kurtz’ from Apocalypse Now" The rumor going 'round for years was that Tron 2.0 would go the way of Apocalypse Now. The question is whether Disney had the balls to follow through.
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I'm just saying..... If it's any constellation, Yay IYERN MAN?
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This seems like the coolest fucking movie... ever.I love the music and how it so perfectly compliments the visual. Perfect marriage. Really, this all seems way too perfect and is almost overwhelming. I remember Saturday when I saw this in front of Alice and my heart was actually pounding during it. I heard some say WTF and some saying whoa. It was visceral, and the energy in the audience from this was amazing. This is something fucking special. I can't believe that they actually seemed to have pulled this all off. Absolutely amazing.
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The only reason half youse guys are vaguely interested in this deal is because of the Big Lebowski band wagon and Jeff Bridges is in vogue. PUH LEEZE! Spare me the Bull Shit, What's next? Zarles' nipples getting hard for StarMAN 2?
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holy god....their have been upgrades
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an old fart who completely joyless.
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"Dad?"
"Sam"
"been a long time..."
"...you have no idea."
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...here to collect a PayPal transaction, for a bunch of eBay salesmen.
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Thanks MostHoly!
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...fucking brilliant. Sounds exactly like an 80's video game. So cool.I absolutely love this trailer.
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PLEASE, shut the fuck up! If your stupid ass is complaining over what you just saw in the trailer - there is no hope for you! So sick and tired of these hard-to-please-snob- types. JUST GO THE FUCK AWAY !!!!!
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I also played the game in the arcades, saw the original in the theater etc etc. THIS looks like it's gonna be a good addition to the Tron mythos.
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i was there too, and the reason you mightve been bored could have to do with puter concepts thrown at you, about 5 years before the home computer revolution took hold tron was ahead of its time, and treated its mostly young teen audience with respect
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It smells like ... pwnage.
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But this looks kind of cool.
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But here are more movies that come to mind from 1982 that were more memorable for me than Tron. The World According to Garp, Vice Squad, The Thing, Things are tough all over, Swamp Thing, The Secret of Nimh. Richard Pryor live on Sunset Strip and 48HRS IN THE SAME YEAR? 1982 was an awesome year, I was a 12 year old in rated R heaven!
Seriously, my generation was the target market for Tron, I'm not hating, I'm just stating the movie did nothing for me. I did however enjoy the shit out of the video game. -
I love it. I just hope that there's a worthwhile story in there
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Just do us TRON fans a favor. DON'T EVEN BOTHER ATTENDING A SCREENING OF TRON LEGACY. Let that movie seat be vaccant for a true fan of TRON.
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Gone With The Wind 1939 to Scarlett 1994 (55 Years) Mind you, Scarlett was a TV miniseries, but a sequel nonetheless. ;)
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't trailers often artificially speed up parts that aren't otherwise in the film itself just so the trailer is paced correctly? I mean, they've got to fit a bunch of clips together in such a way that it follows a build-up for two minutes which it wasn't originally shot to be matched to.
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Like the Star Trek trailer.
The kid sucks. Looks more like the son of Robocop.
Up with the heavy grain?
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Thank you for my new Wallpaper!
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SPEAK WITH YOUR OWN VOICE, THINK WITH YOUR OWN MIND.
You and the Tronites have a full 9 months to contemplate that until the official release date of yer pretty subliminally charged propaganda of a Disney movie. Say hello to the Tooth Fairy and The Pacifier for me would ya? -
I been trying to watch it actually but it's never at the video store. Gotta get my netflix back.
But I find this interesting...talkbackers all seem SO confident this movie is going to be great, yet almost every other big studio movie gets shit upon/ deemed instant garbage. Why is that? Unless theres some great director behind it I haven't heard about, this will probably turn out mediocre. I mean a sequel to a movie that came out almost 30 years ago? We all know how that turns out...cough*Indy*cough. Maybe I'm missing something here but I would recommend tempering those expectations. -
how could they screw up the Tron world so completely?! i'm seeing dust, scuff markings, scratches & dents on walls & surfaces, and that fucking recognizer looked like it was made out of metal. what the fuck?!
this is a completely computer generated world! it's INSIDE a computer. it's all just electricty and lines of code! theres no dust & scratches! everything is synthetic! this new Tron world is WAY TOO REALISTIC LOOKING! it just looks like typical modern cgi work with a little more minimalist aesthetic applied. even the characters in this new one just look like they're wearing normal clothes with a few strips of light on it. what happened to all the dense circutry & flowing pulsing flickering light?! what's with all this organic looking clouds & crap?! if you're going to make everything look realistic then why call it Tron?! just make another Avatar or something.nothing i've seen in this trailer gave me the feeling that i got when i saw the original Tron: that i was seeing something COMPLETELEY DIGITAL and NEW. something never before seen. something alien. something that barely even referenced the real world with it's shapes and textures. when you were in the Tron world you knew you were somewhere ELSE. it felt completely different to what you knew. when i look at this new Tron world it just seems like there are some people in some high tech nightclub or something. the atmosphere, the lighting, the feel is just all wrong. waaay too ordinary looking.shit, remember those insane immediate 90 degree turns the old light cycles used to make right on the gridlines? remember the old recognizers cruising around? they were just red lines & empty black surfaces. NO SCRATCHES. NO DUST KICKING UP. NO METAL SCUFFS & CRAP THAT LOOKS LIKE HYDRAULICS! the independent parts that made up the recognizer just FLOATED IN SPACE NEXT TO EACH OTHER! IT'S NOT REAL! THE LAWS OF PHYSICS AREN'T THE SAME THERE. use some IMAGINATION & invent some impossible-looking things instead of tring to make them look like big heavy metal machines and shit. what the fuck?!you got 9 months before the movie comes out. you better fix all this shit in cgi! DO NOT FUCK THIS UP! i want to see some dense abstract impossible visuals! not some damn real-world looking crap! damn! -
We get it, you've mastered the ironic hipster talkback post...and seriously, it gets funnier every time!...take your act else where you douche.
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not get teased with the trailer a full 9 months before the release. I hate sitting in anticipation for so damn long.
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opposite the Tron Druids, that could spell trouble.
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You've seen what CGI can do these days, right? Oh wait, yeah, you just saw what a computer world would look like in 2010 in this very trailer. A computer generated world in 2010 would strive for photorealism. Do you think if the filmmakers of the original Tron had this kind of technology in 1982 they wouldn't have used it? If the original Tron looks like the world of Pac-Man, Asteroids and Defender, then why wouldn't Tron Legacy look more photorealistic like our games our today? In short, quit your inane bitching. This looks amazing.
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And I cannot wait!
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I already know TRON LEGACY will be done right. Disney is only funding the TRON LEGACY project just like the original.
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I remember seeing bits on television over the years but it seemed antiseptic and boring. I wonder how much I'd be missing to catch the new one outright and not bother looking up the old? Is that heresay? Some fan of the original please advise, would it really be worth it? I mean, I'm a Jeff Bridges fan all the way back to Thunderbolt and Lightfoot so I'm no bandwagon jumper. I tell you now I did play the hell out of the video game and if there's one thing I've learned from retro-gaming it's never to pay too much to relive an old game memory. When it comes to video games the past should stay that way.
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It really is pretty nice, in a minimalist driving kinda way. Does indeed have a Dark Knight-ish feel to it, but it also has elements of Fiedel's Terminator theme and also John Powell's driving scores for the Bourne movies.
Have watched the trailer around a dozen times now. I think the visual style looks really good: a nice lick of paint without moving too far away from the aesthetic of the original. Still feel Moebius Giraud's influence coursing through the film's veins.
Just hope it isn't too formulaic and boring. It needs to have at least one strong philosophical idea in it, rather than being a mere sequence of action set-pieces. (The original Tron had half a dozen, although many people at the time weren't on the right wavelength to understand them.) -
"I remember seeing bits on television over the years but it seemed antiseptic and boring. I wonder how much I'd be missing to catch the new one outright and not bother looking up the old? Is that heresay?"
It may be hearsay, but it isn't heresy, if that's what you mean. The original Tron isn't at all boring, btw. -
sorry, it's 2 a.m. man..
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"If the original Tron looks like the world of Pac-Man, Asteroids and Defender.."
Well, it doesn't, really, does it? It looked more like the world of, say, Starglider II, which was around eight years away at the time. It was a world of pastel-shaded solid 3D polygons, along with a design aesthetic that put lots of strips and rings of light around the place, edging objects and people. Somewhat reminiscent of bioluminescent sea creatures in places, as is quite common in Moebius's work.
They really don't seem to be straying away too far from this, except that everything obviously looks a lot crisper and rounder...the original Tron had more sharp angles and hard edges (although not exclusively), whereas this feels like a world of flowing Bezier curves. You could say that the new free-flowing light cycles are emblematic of this contrast. -
That's Michael Sheen in his night-club dealer/owner part..
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The TRON world in LEGACY is supposed to look photorealistic, YOU MORON !!
Its like comparing the original TRON world to an 8-Bit Nintendo as the LEGACY world to a Nintendo Wii.
Just do us a favor - don't bother going to see LEGACY if you don't understand computers go through a technological evolution. In this case its been almost 30 years !! -
I give it the best trailer of the year award. well, so far. But damn I likey.
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My most anticipated movie of 2010!
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"The kid sucks."
He seemed fine to me, so far as it went. (Shrugs.)
"Remember that that Flynn spent hours if not days in the computer world, and only a second or two had passed in the real world. If Flynn has been in there for 20 human years, he may have spent hundreds of years in the computer world."
I was thinking more along the line of several millennia.
In the original, consider the fact that Tron is talked of by the programs Flynn meets as a sort of legendary figure. But Alan only activated Tron properly mere *minutes* before Flynn enters the system. -
It was a movie that mixed live-action footage with back-lit animation and computer generated visuals based off of ideas a animator named Steve Lisberger got from watching the video game Pong for the first time.
The results was a visually stunning film that pushed the envelop with computer graphics yet relied on an easily forgettable storyline... sounds familiar?
Now I'm sure the new one will be just as stunning as the original probably more considering how much more advanced technology is nowadays, but don't try to tell me that the original was Citizen Kane of Science Fiction. I know for a fact before the sequel came around Tron was lost in the archives. Most video chain stores didn't even carry it for years! -
DUST! i still can't believe i'm seeing that. what the hell?!look at that shot right after the recognizer lands, when flynns sons is on that platform that is rising in the air. the FUCKING PLATFORM HAS SCRATCHES ON IT! why the hell would any digital environment have any signs of wear and tear? as if something got scratched and the program couldn't just instantly regenerate it. ridiculous!and to Karl Hungus: why would a computer environment strive for photorealism? why should it try to emulate something with limitations when it itself has none? the laws of physics do not apply there like they do here so why limit yourself by trying to replicate the constraints of the REAL world?and to answer your other question, if the filmakers of the original Tron had access to modern technology they would have made something 100 times more tripped-out looking than this trailer. the people that made the original Tron were a bunch of acid-head animators and hackers. they got to do a film where they could finally let their imaginations run wild and the fucking went for it and hit it out of the park! this new film has technology (and a budget) light years beyond anything the original Tron had access to - and yet it doesn't show a fraction of the originals incredible visionary spirit.i swear to god i'm not a troll! Tron is one of my favorite films of all time. i saw it back when it first came out in the theatres when i was a kid and it had a huge impact on me. no one was more looking forward to this film than me but i can't believe i'm looking at this trailer and thinking "where is the magic? where is the risk taking?" why, with all this tech at their disposal, did they make this look so damned ordinary?!9 months... you guys got 9 months to fix this.
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Maybe it's just me, but it kinda had that feeling to me when the two at the beginning of the trailer are talking. Kinda made wish Cronenberg had done this...
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The answer is very simple, and also explains why the people look more like humans than in the original- the computer world has evolved so much that it's becoming more and more like the "real" world...
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yes, i know about the advances in technology. of course i expected the new Tron to look much more advanced and different then the original.what i DIDN'T expect is to see clouds and dust and smoke and scratches. every time i see things like that it takes me OUT of the TRON world and reminds me instead of the REAL world, and that totally kills the whole thing for me.yes, make it more advanced & modern looking. give me more density, more micro-circuitry (especially in the costumes), more layers and transparency and depth. give me more fantastical looking machines. but DON'T give me things that look like they are trying to emulate clouds or metal or other real-world atmospherics. the Tron world should have it's own visual language. that world should completely draw you into it's own atmosphere - instead of reminding you of the real world.
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Haven't seen the original, and the movie really doesn't sell me on the acting or the story at all, but I will definitely be going to see this for the look of the world. The visual layout looks way more my cup of tea than anything in Avatar. Just hope it's not unbearably ludicrous. Trailers don't mean anything; it could be the next Matrix or the next Ultraviolet.
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Perhaps mogwai, because as in the original's world the computer programs strive to do the will of their users, and users (us) have constantly pushed for more realism, especially in our games. It's a reach, considering I have no more information than you do. I was 7 when Tron was released, and I loved it as well. It even got me interested in creating computer art and graphics.And you know what? It really doesn't matter so much to me whether or not there's dust in this Tron. For as much as I appreciate CGI, I've come to appreciate story more, and let's face it, Tron's big weakness was the ideas and story dept. It had potential, but mostly ideas which were left only half-done.I will forgive those 'flaws' because one, I probably wouldn't even have thought of them had you not made the point to bring them up, and two, because I'm betting with John Lasseter hand-picking the director and helming more creative control at Disney, the story will likely be head and shoulders above the original. For the record, I've been enjoying the set design and style the film is aiming for so far. Take that for what you will.
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yes that makes sense, but it also kills the appeal of the whole Tron experience. "look at this fantastic new computer world we've created in this movie... except it's evolved so it looks a lot more like the real world now".well, ok but... that sucks. you just took your main attraction and made it more boring. takes a lot of the imagination and fun out of it... just like the super-realistic looking modern videogames!!!
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I don't know what to tell you then. PacMan can be played on your PC, ya know, so maybe you should be doing that, rather than surfing this "new fangled world wide web"... ;)
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Have you ever seen a vagina in person?
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It's looking too commercial-like and slick for my taste...I like the semi-fuzzy sort of grunge-tech look of the original. This has that slick commercial-director-makes-feature-film-debut look to it that will work against the film IMO. I really like the setup of the trailer though.
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A long time has passed, and in that time computers have become more sophisticated (or haven't you noticed?) so it's only natural that the world of Tron has been 'upgraded' too. Or did you want it to look identical to the original? Thank God it doesn't! Cool for '82, shit by today's standards...
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Was how the digital world didn't seem all that special...it was like the guy just shows up and its business as usual...they seem to be making the digital world in this one some nirvana looking wankery that's turning me off a bit.
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i would really like to see this guy pull a cameo. and maybe disney should give him a new outfit...one that doesnt occasionally give him a male cameltoe, that guy IS the bandwagon
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check out the game "Rez" for the playstation (also for xbox 360).it's a modern game. definitely Tron-influenced, but updates the visuals while still remaining completely synthetic looking. would loved to have seen the new movie have more of a vibe like this. maybe the suits at Disney wanted the filmmakers to tone it down a bit for a more general audience? who knows.
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Has the best post in this entire thread: read it and learn. Man speaks truth.
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Im with you on what you are saying.. I loved the fact that the recognizers were just blocks floating in tight formation in the original. I think I remember though, in the original, inside the tanks, wasn't there steam or exaust gasses of some kind shooting around?
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so there is some precident for "mechanical realism." BTW, I didnt see any tanks in the trailer, I hope they are in the movie! I made hundreds of Lego Tron tanks in the old days
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mogwai, It's not so much the trippy aspects most people remember the film for, it's for the quantum leap in the use of SFX for a feature film, for most of its feature length. It's almost impossible to recreate that kind of leap again where we are today, and doing as you suggest only plays as a sop to nostalgia. I'd much rather it improved upon the story of the first considering it can't re-create the technical leap.
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I will shave whats left of my pubes and eat them. This DOES look good.
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What does this mean for the Kingdom Hearts franchise? (lol j/k, that fucking game sucks)
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I'mma watch the FUCK outta this mess fo REALZ!
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Watching that I felt like I was 12 years old again. Pure awesomeness. That's how Transformers should have felt.
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back in the day, but the sequel is now my most anticipated film of this year, along with Inception.
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The original Tron had that look, like a trippy fever dream...it looked very different from the "real" world in the film. But I can see the new Tron being a little more sophisticated because of the nature of the business of filmmaking...it's a corporate studio decision at the end of the day to make it slick looking for teenage boys used to playing Xbox and Playstation, that is the cold, hard reality of the movie business, a business that almost exclusively caters to the tastes of 15 year old boys. Now that was cool back in the day because things were in their infancy, but now it's all instant gratification to the senses or bust.
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Someone over on the IMDb boards did some rough calculations about how much time could have passed for Flynn within the computer world if he's been inside for, say, 20 years of real time and 1 second equals about 2 days within the computer. If that's the ratio, then 20 years inside is more like 3.5 million years inside the computer...3.5 million!
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she is sex on legs.
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"Tron Legacy un-raped my childhood!" is the funniest thing I've heard all day.
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doesn't bode well for me, I'm afraid.
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It makes perfect sense that someone who was a fan of the original TRON aesthetic wouldn't necessarily recognize this new trailer as being in the same universe. When I first saw the trailer, I thought "Matrix Sequels".
Still, I think it's a question of just adjusting to the new look. The trailer is impressive and I think the world they created is true to the spirit of the original, and I'm sure the creative team involved had very long, serious discussions about balancing the look of the original (and probably what they knew fans wanted to/were expecting to see) with the realities of a much more savvy modern audience who expects absolute realism (and might not pay to see a movie that looks like it was made on "computers").
It IS a bit disorienting, but this is what it is. From what I gather, we are seeing more images of the residence/palace (cave?) of Jeff Bridges, and the nightclub, which are probably the most "evolved" aspects of the TRON world. The scenes of the actual game-play, and the wide shots where you see the vast expanses of TRON world, seem to be much more "oldschool", and might be how they decided to strike the balance. This is of course conjecture on my part, lol.
Having said all that, I am absolutely PUMPED that Daft Punk did the score... just the fact that they were signed on shows that the powers that be are very, very aware of the retro-80s aesthetic, which Daft Punk capture absolutely perfectly. So, to me, it seems that this isn't some hacked-out job. And remember, we have seen selected, small bits that are probably the most insignificant parts of the film.
So be positive. The 3-D will probably be cool too. Better than there NOT being a TRON sequel. And I bet I'll be more satisfied than I was with the Crank sequel. -
That game "Rez" looks like Lawnmowerman. Not a big risk visually. And just because they updated the look doesn't make it bad. Instead of pushing the envelope of "how crazy can we make this look?" they pushed the envelope of "How BAD ASS can we make this look?" Not a bad thing, especially if you nail it. -
Come on, I'm the only nerd who was thinking that? This whole talkback is full of newfags.
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is equal to 24 hours in the virtual world, and assuming that Flynn has been within the virtual world for exactly 20 years, then Flynn's subjective timespan would not be hundreds of years, or thousands, but nearly 2 MILLION years.
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...is mah favorite!
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Sorry. 172,800 years. Bugger of a wait though.
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Gave me some chills.
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This is astonishing. If this movie lives up to the trailer, it will be the second true film of the 21st Century as "Avatar" was the first (in technical terms, not narrative terms).
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I loved the teaser but this really has me interested now.
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CANNOT! WAIT!
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So many trailers these days are based on giving you money shot after money shot - it's really wonderful to have one that is so damn moody. Brilliant brilliant work. And DAFT PUNK, worthy successors to Wendy Carlos' brilliant score (I got a CD about a year ago, it's great).
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And Alice Glass should have a cameo as one of the Tron / electro peoples.
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And Alice Glass should have a cameo as one of the Tron / electro peoples.
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HOTT!!!
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Says it all, really.
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When the first Avatar trailer was released you could almost hear the collective groan of disappointment around the world. This trailer is sheer badass. I am now officially salivating for this movie. There is no way Tron Legacy is going to do Avatar's numbers because it will obviously be more nuanced (which is as good thing). But, my goodness, I KNOW I'm going to enjoy it a heluva lot more than Avatar.
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YOU STILL DON'T GET IT! Technology has evolved so well it tries to mimic the real world - hence the clouds, dust, and physics. If you were paying any attention to the trailer - Alan Bradley said Flynn was about to change everything - Science, Medicine, Religion...TRON Legacy is much more complexed than the original TRON will ever be. If you're not on-board Legacy there's no point in handing Disney your money. So quit your bitching !
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The new "Tron Legacy" trailer looks good and I am looking forward to seeing the movie come December (just hope that the "trailer" isn't the best part of the film!)
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I would pay admission just for a few minutes of her in that outfit. The geek gods smile on us.
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it looks awesome
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You act like the original TRON crew intentionally made the TRON world look "glitchy". Its too bad you never paid any attention to the crew's Q&A. What was considered revolutionary in the 1980s - computer generated images (CGI) there was still limitions to the technology. So they worked with what they had at their disposal. Well now its been 30 years. The same approach is being applied in Legacy but it doesn't mean its "perfect". But it'll looks damn near close to "reality".
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Staying quiet now ain't ya!!! You fucking retards!!! That was a lot of digital creamy goodness. Sold!!
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of Tron,BUT i have to say i am bit disappointed that the actors wear luminescent outfits,instead of the rotoscoped ones in the original.
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Was that Jeff Bridges de-aged. If it was, I didn't realize they've come that far in the digital de-aging process.Much more convincing than Patrick Stewart/Ian McKellan X-men3
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a de-aged Jeff Bridges? if so they have done a pretty good job there.
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If it was,awesome
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Dude are you serious? If only those luminescent outfits EXISTED in 1982 they wouldn't have gone through all that painstaking work to rotoscope the damn suits! That's also why in the original TRON film in certain scenes the suits don't look "fully lit". Those were flaws !
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That was DEFINITELY an old-school lightcycle!
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Everyone loves hot hero chicks; she's should be the electro gladiator who "fights for the users." Flynn Jr. will be Flynn Jr. -- messiah once removed trying to save/redeem the missing All Father of the electro-verse.
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Even my non geek girlfriend and my younger hippie friends who have never heard of tron were excited by it. I was wishing I had another geek with me to share the moment with. There would have been hand holding at the very minimum.
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on what you say.Unless the creators of the original Tron confirm that this was the case.
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If you are on FB and a fan of Tron, you can watch the trailer in super high quality and it's wicked awesome
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worth the price of admission all on their own.
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You all realize the cg people are supposed to BE computer simulations, right? No reason at all they "need" to move like they have weight and gravity.
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Mar 09, 2010 6:50:48 AM CST
I don't care about dust, scratches, or that twat kid.
by the new transported man
They made a TRON sequel, & I am thusly stoked. Good trailer, especially the music.
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I just hope I don't end up sitting next to mogwai democracy in the theater when I go to see this.
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Kinda looked like it. :P
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'Nuff said.
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If you had told me a couple months back I'd be blown away by a Tron trailer. I'd have called you an idiot but damn did that look good. The most amazing thing was a deaged Jeff Bridges. Just wow!
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Grooveraider is right. check out the "making of tron" featurette on the tron DVD it explains it all.
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And Olivia Wilde looks even hotter!
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i was hoping they would keep that luminosity and evolve it along with the rest of the tron world. cool light cycle race.
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Has no one mentioned the LightBuggy? I'm pretty sure that i saw one doing a skid. Not a lightcycle
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Is Michael Sheen, wonder if he's the main bad guy in the computer world.
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God I miss Bruce and B5
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A trailer hasn't gotten me this pumped since TDK.
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But then so do many film trailers, only to be a colossal let down.
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It's definitely a LIGHTBUGGY doing the skid 1.43 in.
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I agree that it would have been cooler if the outfits were rotoscoped.
Also, I have to agree that photorealism isn't always a good thing. In a few shots, the costumes look too much like uniforms from Star Trek: The Next Generation. The way the fabric bunches up when they move just serves to remind me that they don't look "computery" enough.
Don't get me wrong, I think the story and the acting and the "big picture" of the production design are going to blow me away.
But I totally agree with the posters that the computer world doesn't look "computery" enough.
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They don't look as cool as in the original
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...would help explain why Flynn said his discovery would even change human religion.
Maybe Flynn thinks the computer world is the next stage of human evolution. Maybe he wants everybody to become virtually immortal by digitizing into the computer world.
But, who would want to be immortal if they have to live in a digital tyranny?
TRON as The Divine Comedy?
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they should have got the guy who did the art direction on this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwJwJtcsO8Y
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the tanks were able to blast chunks off the walls and that shit remained that's fucking dust. dust in a computer world can simply be signal noise, data loss of the terminals, memory leaks etc etc etc. Fuck what was all the light streaks in the computer sky? In reality they were film defects from the roto process remasked to look cool.
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I love daft punk and the bits and pieces heard so far from the soundtrack have been amazing. The stuff in the trailer gave me chills.
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Something about the first part of the trailer seems very SyFy Channel-ish to me. And the kid's performance doesn't excite me. Seems like a fan film. The stuff in the tron world is pretty cool.
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This is how a pilot for a TRON tv show would play out. It really is! Everyone looks like they're just wearing reflector tape. There's no indication it's a world inside a computer. The air guitar guy is going to KILL this movie (as it is, he ruined the entire trailer experience for me). If that is an actual character then he's the new Jar-Jar. "Bibbletee Bibble! WAAAAAAAAWAAAAAAAH! CORBIN MY MAN!"
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Caddyshack..... might be too much information to give out and I'm sure I'm not the only one but her topless in that film is what made me create manmilk for the first time. Lol. I hope she has cameo in it. Or a deaged version of Lori at the very least.
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In the original, CLU was slim and had yellow circuitry. SARK was built like a gladiator and had red circuitry.
In this trailer, CLU has orange circuitry and is now way more muscular.
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Showing what a restless young spirit the protagonist is by having him race around recklessly on a motorcycle...
And yeah, I know...if he's skilled on a bike, he's skilled on a lightcycle. Hamfisted foreshadowing is getting a little old, too.
Otherwise, great trailer and Olivia Wilde is pretty easy on the eyes...she was a way better looking Baroness than Sienna Miller. Probably had a German accent, too...
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"the original used was less CGI than people realize."I'd like to know more.
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Tron for the 21st century...at last....AWESOME!!!
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"Most of the scenes, backgrounds and visual effects in the film were created using more traditional techniques and a unique process known as "backlit animation".[2] In this process, live-action scenes inside the computer world were filmed in black-and-white on an entirely black set, printed on large format high-contrast film, then colorized with photographic and rotoscopic techniques to give them a "technological" feel.[3] With multiple layers of high-contrast, large format positives and negatives, this process required truckloads of sheet film and a workload even greater than that of a conventional cel-animated feature. In addition, the varying quality and age of the film layers caused differing brightness levels for the backlit effects from frame to frame, explaining why glowing outlines and circuit traces tended to flicker in the original film. Due to its difficulty and cost, this process would never be repeated for another feature film."
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I'd give one of Harry's chins for that bike.
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I was just a few years too young for it. But I must say I still think this movie looks like it could be cool. And if we're speaking about overdone cliches, the movie hero's son arriving on the scene and searching for his father is kind of old.
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That "air guitar guy" is Michael Sheen, and given his pretty much unblemished track record of being far and away the best thing in several terrible movies, I'm pretty confident he's not going to be the weak link here.
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She and Kate Hudson prove that hotness and flat-chestedness are not opposites. You just need a nice ass to compensate.
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...when I get home from work.
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I'm not worried about Daft Pun, per se, but I am worried about Wendy Carlos not being involved. Her work was as critical to the film's legacy (pun intended) as anything else. Her participation, and certainly the return of some of those iconic themes and cues, are needed. As good as the music in the trailer was, it didn't evoke anything that had to do with the first film.
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Olivia Wilde looks insanely fucking hawt. I just looked up Cindy Morgan and she is still hot in her mid 50s!
Great seeing Bruce in this, I'm so glad they got him back as well as Bridges. Bruce should be just as big a star as the dude.
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Perhaps at the end with hubby Alan Bradley.
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...on the side of the Tron machine. :-)
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DAMN! DAMN! DAMN! Hell yes. And Sam Flynn looking like Christian Bale in that first close-up, no?
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But I'm not sure her work has the right 'vibe' for modern audiances. I hope her score is there in some of the themes and cues. I'm saying that with the material on screen in that trailer, the music worked incredibly well. Daft Punk are a safe pair of hands for her legacy to continue. Maybe with the sucess of this film Disney will give the originals soundtrack the re-release on CD it deserved in the first place.
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Went to see Alice just for this trailer. NO TRAILERS at all in front of the movie. What a waste. Boring movie, horrible 3-D.
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Nuff said.
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Aye liek.
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I understand Mogwai's concerns - the scuffs and dust thing do kinda feel out of place - the original movie has this otherworldly feel from the CG looking pristine and shiny. Which, ironically made the appearance of debri from tank blasts and the water (energy pool) seem novel and weird. The Reco for example needs to be floating blocks held together with nothing at all - things that remind you that you're in a totally different dimension. Character faces might have looked better in soem desaturated form, or monochrome, lose the flesh tones? Anyway. This trailer is still a kick ass spectacle to watch, though, I'm stoked for another dose of Tron.
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Daft Punk for the mutherfucking win.
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The new fans may find this interesting and cool. The fans that grew up geeking out on the original are in nerdvana. Every scene has a meaning. Flynns arcaed...The encom building...the Tron stand up machine...the desk computer...the Encom laser...the recognizer...data disc...light bikes...all look like they were supercharged and fully realized in a way impossible in 1981. And the silly Disney-ness has been removed.
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...maybe a small area od the didgital world where 'old' programs are kept in storage - and we ge to see the hockey helmets and monochrome faces...would be a nice touch.
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not frickin 'didgital' - typo, not dumbo.
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I've seen a lot of dusty computer code over the years. When I look at cyberspace, I no longer see it as antiseptic and futuristic as I did when the original Tron came out, I see a lot of entropy and dust, I world that is slowly falling into old-fashioned patterns.
I admit a part of me still wants to see lightcycles moving on a square grid, but I'm pretty sure I can get over that. What's interesting about the trailer is that it's still very heavy on nostalgia. But I think my imagination has pieced together the caught-up-in-your-own-little-world plot ( or at least imagined out a script I'd find cool :) ) -
Oh I always thought the stuff involving the actors was obviously not CG. How could it be back then? I thought you meant the other stuff.
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And an AUTOMAN DVD release when TRON: LEGACY eventually arrives on Blu-Ray.
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wasn't the original Tron world much more computer animated looking? In this trailer, it looks like the real world, which is a bit of a distraction, considering everyone is walking around in those goofy suits!
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They definitely have my interest.
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Oh man the music. The music. All over my face. The trailer was even more kickass in 3D. Don't watch another 3D movie until Tron comes out. It's using Cameron/Pace tech. Only natural it comes exactly a year after Avatar. I must reiterate again that the music was fucking ill.
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I love the look of him. He looks like Young Bowie lol.
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If there wasn't any "dust". Unless there's some sort of trite explanation to the audience, I think they'll have a hard time accepting the computer world if it didn't play by our rules and have familiar elements like dust. Know what I mean?
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Saw the trailer in 3D the other night before Alice...and after all the hype about it, "underwhelming" IS the word. Hell, the How To Train Your Dragon looked much cooler, and I have no interest in that movie. For the record, I've seen the first Tron, and I will say this looks better, but it would pretty much have to, or Disney is even deeper in the dumpster than I thought.
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according to the director the music in the trailer was composed specially and will not appear in the final film.
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wasnt that excited for tron until i saw this. *WOAH* the visuals, the music, my god! The girls in the suites look incredible and the badguy in the red suite looks cool as fuck also. Hell everything looks amazing. The aesthetics of this is just incredibly pleasing.
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You are right. Daft Punk fucking nailed it. Absolutely awesome.
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Mar 09, 2010 10:07:16 AM CST
It's not that I don't LIKE the look of the characters.
by royston lodge
It's just that I think it would POTENTIALLY have looked BETTER if they had shot the movie using the original technique of shooting it in black & white on an entirely black set and processing the footage on high-contrast stock, but THEN use CGI to fill in the blanks instead of the old rotoscope process.
I'll still love this movie, but at the back of my mind I'll continue to be curious how that original cinematographic technique would look when combined with 21st century CGI.
Especially considering that nobody has ever used that technique again since the first TRON came out, due to how labour-intensive it was. But substituting CGI for the rotoscoping would bring the cost down substantially, wouldn't it?
Like, instead of printing the footage on large-format film so that the animators can work on it, they'd just have to print it on regular stock, digitize it, and then work on it digitally.
Really, the difference between shooting on black & white on an all-black set isn't much different than the common method nowadays of shooting in greensuits on an all-green set.
But the end-result would have been way more "distinctively TRON", for want of a better phrase.
I know it sounds like I'm whining, but really that trailer DOES give me geekgasms.
I just have this nagging feeling that I could have had STRONGER geekgasms if they'd gone the B&W route.
Like, I'm imagining 3D circuitry pulsating on black & white humanoid characters. I'm imagining humanoid characters where the silly-looking hockey helmets have been replaced by baldcaps with pulsating CGI circuitry for hair.
I think the unconscious feeling that I get from the complaints in this Talkback is that the computer world doesn't look like an "upgrade" from the 1982 computer world. It looks like a whole new, different computer world. Like, Encom scrapped their entire computer system and started from scratch. But that doesn't feel authentic to the spirit of the story, IMHO, especially considering what the word "Legacy" means in computing. -
Looks totally cool and feels like what a Tron sequel all these years and decades later SHOULD feel like.
This has got me hyped easily as much as a new Star Wars movie- maybe even more??
Btw they took down the recent Tron billboard on Santa Monica and Westwood blvds, but I didn't have time to stick around and see the next Tron image they put up.
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This needs be at Fantastic Fest this year. Make it happen Harry!
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Mar 09, 2010 10:12:26 AM CST
If I had the time and money, I'd do a TRON short film...
by royston lodge
...using that technique and put it on YouTube. But painting a warehouse black and getting some actors together just to make a point would be a lot of work.
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I mean, the lazer in tron is in the center of a GIANT fucking room of electronics. Now, somehow, somebody has gone and installed a portable version of the "beam me up" lazer at Flynn's? Also: Flynn's has just been sitting there for TWENTY YEARS and no one has ever sold the games, or investigated the back room? I call bullshit.
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...Reminds me a lot of the BB/TDK trailers...which is an awesome thing! Can't wait for the Flynndude.
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Mar 09, 2010 10:20:37 AM CST
On a lighter note, I really can't wait to see how TRON looks.
by royston lodge
That is, TRON the security program played by Bruce Boxleitner. He has not been featured in the fx teaser or this new trailer.
I've posted this ad nauseum, but I'm still operating under the hope and desire that the "Legacy" in TRON: Legacy refers to that plucky little security program from 1982.
In other words, I'm imagining that if CLU is a piece of legacy code that has taken SARK's place as the tyrant of the computer world, then maybe modern anti-virus software can't defeat him because he was written for a different age. It would be like if some weird virus written for the Commodore 64 somehow mutated and started wreaking havok on the Internet and Norton, McAfee and AVG were powerless to stop it. Only another piece of legacy code from that era, namely TRON, would be able to bring him down.
If the story does go down that route, and they don't ever show the TRON character in the trailers, I'll be VERY happy. That's the sort of geektastic reveal that should be kept a secret until you see it on the big screen.
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What great music! The only thing I was a little bit off about was the guy with the air guitar, but ohhhhhhh. I wonder what movies have come out in the past 10 years that kids today will feel this way about when the sequel to the movie comes out in 10 years from now?
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Shit, even that Sorceror's Apprentice one was some straight eye candy, as goofy as the movie may be.
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After Flynn uncovers the corruption at the company in the first film, Alan Bradley become's Encom's president and Flynn becomes it's chief R&D guru/genius.
Flynn was already freakishly smart and creepily eccentric, but thanks to Encom's massive growth and his new position of influence in the company he's also freakishly wealthy.
So, therefore:
1) Combining his wealth with his intelligence and eccentric stubborn independence (borderline paranoid/schizo?), I see no reason to call bullshit on the idea that he would build a second, private, secret R&D lab hidden behind the wall at his arcade.
After all, after he was screwed out of his research the first time by the corporate masters, he's probably very nervous about letting it happen again, even if his best friend is now the president of the company.
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It took me a second viewing to realize that I was seeing Bruce Boxleitner in the beginning of the trailer!
At first I was thinking who's the old man, second time it hit me.
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Can't wait to see this. Love the look and feel of the trailer.
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for some reason all the computer stuff seems like real set pieces, with lights. And look that way also, at least to me. Just looks like a cool high tech high fashion rave club. Nothing about it says "this is virtual, this is all bits and numbers and digital".
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I always laughed at how Flynn spoke about how much of a genius he was with his video games he wrote on the side. The Dillinger came along, wasn't so smart. All he ever did was create ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE!! What a moron...
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I understand all the people here lamenting this new TRON looking "too realistic", or not surreal enough, etc. I also prefer the strange look of the original world, and wish that this new one was as "different" as the old one was in its time.But it's a sequel, so I'm comfortable with them updating the look. They're not going the "re-imagining" path and saying 'we can do better than they did'--they're creating a new thing. In this age of re-imagined dreck, that's so refreshing.The look of this film is really, really striking and kind of darkly beautiful. It looks just enough unlike most of the CG we're used to seeing to not be boring.The young male lead looks a little bland and boring, but that's the only thing that distracted me in this otherwise knockout trailer.I hesitate to say it, but this looks close to the type of film we all loved in the early 80s--an odd, strange flick made for its own sake, with a somewhat innocent sense of wonder and weirdness built in. Hope it turns out that way. The elements are there--good look, good cast, good soundtrack artist, and lots of great toys to play with.
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Anyone that is hating on this movie can SUCK MY COCK WHILE I DO MY DAILY DOWNLOAD! (And for the ignorant Daily Download = SHIT!)
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I was pretty depressed after I saw "Return of the King", because I thought it might be the last film I needed to stay healthy and alive to see before I felt satisfied with what Hollywood had accomplished, and I could go peacefully to meet my maker knowing nothing else was going to come out that I really needed to see in this lifetime. Now, I have a reason to eat my fruits and veggies and get my daily walks in because I'm not going gentle into that goodnight until the final credits roll on "Tron: Legacy".
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Even The Matrix used things like bullet-time and ramping to convey the feeling that the environment wasn't natural. Call it "hyper-realism" for want of a better term.
When I first heard about The Matrix, I was concered that the computer world was being portrayed as looking exactly like the "real" world. I was afraid that was going to be a cop-out, since at the time I really wanted to see a movie that put the cyberspace of William Gibson and Shadowrun that I have in my mind's eye up on the big screen.
Lawnmower Man and Johnny Mneumonic had tried, but not quite successfully.
But then I saw The Matrix and was blown away by the completely NEW techniques the Wachowski's used to take this hyper-real environment and bend it into what a digital world might be like, and I was blown away by how awesome sauce it was, especially in the freeway scene of the second movie.
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Will it have the 'sword of a thousand truths?'
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Somehow, the way he delivers the line "sorry Kiddo, I just lost track of time" seemed really punchy and emotional, rather than being bland and/or wooden.
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reminds me of a character from a Mad Max movie or some 80's derative of such, but with a Blade Runner/David Bowie style.
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... of the computer world being too realistic, the only solution to that would be to have the whole computer world done with only computer animation, without green screen sets and certainly without any real living actors. In other words, just like any other modern-day computer animated feature.
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If it's another actor then who is it? He looks awesome.
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Mar 09, 2010 10:46:49 AM CST
But why would there be a nightclub in the computer world?
by royston lodge
I really hope they give us a satisfying explanation for the purpose it serves inside the computer network. I'll be disappointed if the answer to why it's there is, "just cuz".
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you do get from all that fancy info you looked up that for the humans, basically they shot them, sorta photocopied every frame, and coloured them in, right? Not that fancy or high-tech, but fucking work-intensive!
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he plays the rebel AI program. I think it's called Clu (?)
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... to the look of BATMAN BEGINS and THE DARK KNIGHT, then I only assume that you compare those two films to David Fincher's entire body of work!
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yeah, right
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Dodgy movement on cg guys my arse. How weird does the real-live kid look as he saunters up that corridor looking like he's just worked out with the invisible watermelons under his arms? Now THAT'S some unrealistic movement.
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The music is close as dammit, and the sodium lighting with ramps IS similar. It's a fair cop guv.
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Looked good. The highlight was Olivia Wilde, because hot women in form-fitting outfits beat out geeky graphics.The rest of it looked pretty cool as well.-Cheers
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Reminds me a bit of Willem Dafoe in the first talking scene with Bruce Boxleitner
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They could have included some amped-up CGI "accessories" on the humanoid characters' costumes. Just a couple of small, subtle yet still mind-blowing hints to create a couple of "holy shit" moments in the trailer.
Like, I'm imagining that CGI could have been used to make Olivia's hair move and flow in an unnerving, "digital" sort of way.
Or, CLU could be shown as thin like in the first movie, but then he digitally "bulks-up" when he's about to enter battle.
The "Nightclub Owner" could be playing a CGI axe instead of what looks like a tube of illuminated plexiglass.
Or, like I mentioned earlier, the circuitry in their costumes could pulsate and flow like energy through a Star Trek power conduit.
It seems to be me that a little subtle morphing would have been a cheap and easy way to make the humanoids look more digital and 'unreal'. But I don't think I detected a single morph effect in that trailer.
I totally agree that 100% CGI humanoids would have been awful, but they really seem to have gone too far AWAY from CGI for the humanoids.
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looks like a gay Jerod Leto.
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If you work the little knob thingy just right, it looks like he's pumping his stiffy. It gives you something to do when he's being "beamed" into the next level.
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Dont think i have ever done that before. This just looks extremely compelling to me.
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I've always imagined that the humanoid characters are merely a metaphor for actual computer programs, but were never actually intended to represent genuine A.I.
So, thinking about it that way, there are a few ways of looking at the dust and smoke:
1) The lightcycle battlegrid is a game. I've always assumed it's a game that was designed by human programmers and is played by never-seen human players. The smoke and dust would just be graphic elements included in the game.
2) The smoke and dust outside of the gamegrid is more problematic. However, promotional websites say that Encom has grown far beyond it's own closed computer systems to provide technology all across the Internet. As such, it's safe to assume that the computer world exists across the entire Internet and is no longer confined to the Encom mainframe.
So, maybe the computer world is now more like the traditional theoretical vision for cyberspace. That is, a graphical representation of a computer network would be easier for a human to navigate, and is simply the next progression from binary, to the command line, to the GUI, etc.
So, if the computer world is a graphical representation intended for the use of humans, then it makes sense that elements like dust and smoke would be used to make the computer world look more familiar for human use.
3) On the other hand, if the computer world is purely the creating of the programs themselves and was never intended for human use, the dust and smoke can still be explained as a representation of different digital, electrical, or even quantum phenomena. Maybe it's data degradation? Maybe it's interference between circuits? Maybe it's rogue electrons or smaller particles like quarks or neutrinos or whatever. -
clearly he looks more like Young Bowie. You must not have heard of David Bowie though...so yeah Jared Leto huh?.....
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i agree with all the points Royston Lodge made above. as a perfect example, check out this Tron 2.0 concept art: http://tinyurl.com/ydcn7cvor check out some of the more abstract images and videos here: http://tinyurl.com/yes4dkjthere are plenty of ways the filmmakers could have made the new Tron world look more advanced and modern & yet still kept it more 'computery' as opposed to 'photrealistic'. i'm really thinking this was an executive Disney corp decision to try and get as many people into the theatres as possible. they don't want people to stay home because the film is to 'weird' or abstract looking. while i understand that decision making process and understand they want to make their money, it sucks that the look of this film would be so restrained in order to appeal to the masses.
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Mar 09, 2010 11:32:43 AM CST
Or even just the "holy shit" moment from the fx teaser.
by royston lodge
Remember the moment in the fx teaser where the humanoid jumps up, the lightcycle is "constructed" out of nothing beneath him, and his body is actually integrated into the machinery of the lightcycle?
That was the sort of "holy shit" moment that I really wanted to see in this new trailer.
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He's freaking awesome and so is Jeff Bridges. He holds the screen in that trailer like a mofo and it gave me badass chills to see him in the trailer.
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The way he delivers the "that would be something" line was awesome.
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From the look on the trailer, he's lived thousands of years in a universe where Death is simply an option on the menu; complexity and depth of experience are the coins in Flynn Sr.'s realm. I think Disney is a going to do a 'Dark Knight' thing here, and scare the shit out of us. Great vibe!
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Real good. That's all.
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Real good. That's all.
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Jesus fucking piss are people arguing about dust and smoke? What the hell is the matter with you fucking losers? What is it like to take no joy in anything? A fucking 2 minute trailer dissected by cretins who will die alone. This just in: Computer programs don't look like people and they don't throw frisbees. Fucking dust and smoke. JESUS CHRIST
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Who would have a though a big budget movie released by a major studio who have to appeal to the masses? Who knew. "Waaaa, the people who are supposed to be computer programs don't look computery enough" God the internet is terrible.
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if you look at young pics of him, he looks like a thin Ricky Gervais. Or... thinner Ricky Gervais looks like a young David Bowie.
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"Sad Little Fat Mannnnn". ;)
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He just looked and sounded AWESOME. That line and the delivery were fantastic!
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...appear to be in Flynn's 'apartment' or cell or whatever it was from last year's test footage. Same with the couch Olivia Wilde is laying on. I couldn't tell watching the trailer, but when I was looking at the screen grabs (thanks to whoever did that,thread's so long now I can't find it) it looks like those two scenes are in Flynn's place.
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The "discs of tron" arcade machine in the background when sam picks up the quarter? Nice!
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Mar 09, 2010 12:14:30 PM CST
Not feeling the music @ all- Sounds'like In The Air Tonight- Phi
by thejudger
The Walter/Wendy Carlos score is timeless. This drum beat sounds very familiar. The other part of it sound too modern, and I swear I know where it comes from as well but I can't place my finger on it just yet, and yeah I'm bitching about modern music in a modern movie. I want synthesized 80's tones. What the original movie used. If Dafts the true talent everyone claims them to be then this should be as easy for them to pull offas it is for me to toast bread, and yet here we are... I'm listening to the music- reading the hand job "music rules" comments, and I feel nothing.....Absolutely nothing.
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the drumbeat that is. sounds like the fucking solo of that song
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My guess would be that since Flynn is a millionaire, he has the bank automatically draw out money to pay for it each month, or he has lackeys do it bc dem's the rules. That's not really a huge plot point that needs explaining.
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Also getting a Crystal Skull vibe mixed in with some Superman Returns.
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"The results was a visually stunning film that pushed the envelop with computer graphics yet relied on an easily forgettable storyline"
Absolute rubbish. It was the first exposure most people had to the concept that would later be called cyberspace. Plus time compression, the religious parallel of users as gods, programs as semi-autonomous agents (now used widely on the web), and what amounts to a virus/trojan being deployed to destroy the MCP. Easily forgettable? Hardly. -
that plot synopsis would be awesome. I hope they don't reveal more, but its gonna be tough nine months out. I might have to put a personal blackout on Tron Legacy, just like I did for GoW III.
Its pretty clear that Clu is now the bad guy (I love that name). If they have to find Tron to battle him, that would be awesome -
" loved the fact that the recognizers were just blocks floating in tight formation in the original. I think I remember though, in the original, inside the tanks, wasn't there steam or exaust gasses of some kind shooting around?"
Can't remember any steam, but were showers of sparks in the world, and there was WATER. So it's hardly as though everything was just clean polygons.
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As old as he may be, he's still got a lot more charisma than most of the young turks you see in films these days..(In fact sometimes he actually reminds me quite a bit of Michael Douglas.) So I was quite pleasantly surprised to see him back for this. As I thought at first they might have dropped him in favour of making it all about Jeff Bridges character. (The title especially made me think, oh they're gonna say Tron's dead, so he won't even appear. Hopefully though we'll see a de-aged Boxleitner as well as Bridges in some part of the movie..)
As for Bruce himself, I met the guy once, on a train from fricken Blackpool of all places, and he was as cool as could be about giving me an autograph, and chatting away to me. Struck me as a Good, solid classy guy. Wish there were more folks like him about. Hope he gets some more decent work after this, as he's too good to be wasted in Syfy movie of the weeks.. -
Love the trailer; don't have a problem with others misconcepted ideas of how the TRON would should be;if the movie is named TRON, then wouldn't the character make an appearance?
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Too bad we have to wait until christmas.
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"You act like the original TRON crew intentionally made the TRON world look "glitchy". Its too bad you never paid any attention to the crew's Q&A."
I love the fact that the occasional spikes of high luminance in the world (where it seems to pulse brighter for no apparent reason) was an instance of turning crisis into opportunity. Something went slightly wrong in the production process meaning that the light levels on certain condensed batches of frames were higher than others. Rather than panic and tear their hair out, Lisberger & co just played a little pulsing sound effect over the top, and it looked as if it had been designed that way from the beginning. Genius. -
How naive I must be to think somebody would not have heard of David Bowie.
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As I understand it, legacy's are something that are left after youu're dead. So what I think it might be JudasPriestly, is that maybe one of the Jeff Bridge's has killed Tron within the gaming world. But maybe his legacy in the title is in the form of the various ideals that he championed, that together with a little bit of martyrdom might have enspired some kind of resistance or some such.
But that's my purely speculative take on it. If that's the case, then it was nice of them I suppose to at least give Boxleitner a cameo in the real world of the film, to get the ball rolling on the film's plot. Hope we get to see the original girl from the 1st movie as well, as I guess she would be Flynn Junior's mom. I agrre with you on David Warner though. Hope he get's a cameo as well. Though I'm not sure how they might try doing that, with the digital version being destroyed and the real life version presumbly being jailed. (Was that what happened to him in the first? Been quite a few years since I saw it.)Though I suppose after 20 years he could be out again. -
exactly 28 years after the original, timeline is set there too.
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don't forget he was also that Hugh Hefner style senator in "Heroes" with hot assistant Ali Larter.
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save as target as is not working. Memory of the file does not exist in temp folder. putting a fucking "H" before the 1080p is not working....
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Because it sounds fucking awesome.
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"I mean, the lazer in tron is in the center of a GIANT fucking room of electronics. Now, somehow, somebody has gone and installed a portable version of the "beam me up" lazer at Flynn's?"
Encom owns the laser.
Flynn runs Encom.
If I were Flynn, and I'd made a trip to what might as well be treated as another planet, one where you apparently didn't age, and my company owned the equipment that could take me back there, and I was the only one who knew that it represented a gateway, would I take it home, or order another created, and start doing my own experiments in a private lab?
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In the original movie, CLU is basically a prototype search engine, like Google Desktop or something. His job was to search the mainframe for evidence of corruption.
But, due to the nature of his mission, he was also designed to be secretive. After all, Flynn didn't want to tip Dillinger off to what was going on.
So, if CLU was never deactivated, then he's been spending decades in the Encom system secretly indexing every scrap of data.
Like, imagine if the engine behind Google Desktop was installed on your computer without your knowledge, with no user interface, and you had no idea who it was reporting to?
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great cgi reworking of Bridges face into younger bridges. That scene made em do a doube take. Cause you know it's not real cause bridges cant be naturally deaged to that age. CGI haters can suck it!
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" I agrre with you on David Warner though. Hope he get's a cameo as well. Though I'm not sure how they might try doing that, with the digital version being destroyed and the real life version presumbly being jailed. "
It would actually be kinda cool if he was something of an ally to the good guys. By the end of Tron he had realized he was the MCP's servant, not vice versa, and that he was in over his head. He might have become somewhat philosophical about his fall from grace.
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They show Alan in the trailer..that's fine...but is "TRON" the character in the the new TRON movie....all the hype is about Jeff Bridges and his character Flynn,(which is fine) but the reason the movie was called TRON was because of Bruce's character.
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Tree house of horrors, When Homer's was trapped in the third dimension and he tries to explain what it looks like.
Homer: Uh... it's like... did anyone see the movie 'Tron'?
Hibbert: No.
Lisa: No.
Marge: No.
Wiggum: No.
Bart: No.
Patty: No.
Wiggum: No.
Ned: No.
Selma: No.
Lovejoy: No.
Wiggum: Yes. I mean... um, I mean, no. No,
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Is part of the 28+ tracks already done soundtrack by Daft Punk. Can't wait to see them win it for best score next year.
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I was expecting "Greatest Trailer Evar !!!!1!!1!" ..... what a let down ....if you guys are impressed by that, then more power to you, i thought it was incredibly lame..... have to agree with earlier comments .....why would the arcade and games still be there? why is there a "TRON" game at all, when it never existed in the real TRON movie? why would there be a door behing the game lmao? and why is there a "derezzer" in that room? he used the one at work, the home version never existed in the real TRON movie....this just looks totally lame and low budget, like a bunch of people wearing TRON halloween costumes lmfao
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The movie can still go wrong in so many ways: It is a pretty dodgy concept, that seems to take it self quite seriously. But the trailer is doing a damn fine job of selling this. Nice visuals, and awesome music. This is a must buy OST for me anyways. Who would have thought a disney trailer could have such bad-ass music?
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David Warner's character SARK may have had a job to do on a self-contained corporate mainframe, but once Encom's technology spread out across the entire Internet he really would become obsolete.
After all, every computer system on the Internet would, theoretically, have its own MCP, right?
But CLU wouldn't be limited to just one computer system. He's like a search engine or a user agent.
At the end of the day, CLU is spyware! He should be able to index data from any computer on the Internet.
So, this begs the question, why didn't Flynn ever deactivate CLU? Didn't he see recognize how much of a security and privacy violation CLU could potentially represent?
I think there are two possible reasons:
1) After being fucked over by Dillinger, Flynn is totally paranoid. So he kept CLU running in order to make sure that he could never again be frozen out of the company.
2) Because Flynn had that singular experience of "living" inside the computer world, he has an overly-anthropomorphic relationship to the programs that run on the Encom system. Maybe he feels that deactivating a program, even one as potentially dangerous as CLU, would be analogous to murder?
That then raises the question of whether or not the humanoid programs are merely a metaphor (and Flynn's just gone totally Rousseau on us) or if they are truly sapient?
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"The young male lead looks a little bland and boring, but that's the only thing that distracted me in this otherwise knockout trailer."
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"I always laughed at how Flynn spoke about how much of a genius he was with his video games he wrote on the side. The Dillinger came along, wasn't so smart. All he ever did was create ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE!! What a moron..."
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It was taking over computer systems all over the world in 1982, including the Kremlin, and wasn't confined to the Encom mainframe.
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Wow – Already we seem to have to decide if we like it after a trailer. Personally I think the look of it fits in with the Mac OS. It has similar forms and textures. It looks pretty good for an evolution of a look. I think people may be getting a little pissed off it is not as revolutionary as the first but you cannot force that kind of thing. Some of the look of Tron was because of necessity or accident not planned too.
I think they need to be careful of the technological references in the new film. People are a lot more aware of how computers are engineered and work. The idea of some kind of vast cyber space with vague notions of realism will not cut it any more. People are far more aware that computers are just binary I and Os floating about. They have been demystified. It will be interesting to see how they marry the romantic ideas of Tron to a modern tech savvy audience.
Will David Warner be in this?
Has the MCP rubbed off on Jeff bridges and corrupted him?
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The crime he was guilty of probably would have netted him around five years in prison, if that.
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"So, this begs the question, why didn't Flynn ever deactivate CLU?"
Well, to be pedantic, it doesn't actually beg the question, although it does prompt it. (Begging the question is using circular reasoning, i.e. using your conclusion as part of the reasoning that leads to your conclusion.)
BUT...
...as I remember things, CLU is captured by the MCP, and appears to be assimilated or destroyed. Flynn seems to lose control of him at that point. So the MCP may have copied its functions, altered them slightly...who knows. Maybe CLU is one of the few facets of the MCP left in the system, a semi-autonomous part of the MCP that wasn't destroyed. -
http://tinyurl.com/ye4aj3g
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Or a young Russel Crowe? That doesn't look like Bridges at all! What an odd picture!
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What the hell dude? This is a 2 minute trailer, they need to fit the gist of the plot in to that time and still make it look exciting. What where you expecting? A long exposition explaining every inconsequential detail? Even if there isn't an explanation as to why the arcade is Alan could have built another version of the digitizer and put it inside the arcade in case he ever needed it again, then just seal the place shut and keep the bills payed. Or maybe there will be an explanation in he actual movie. Regarding the Tron game. In the trailer we get so see the outside of the arcade. On top of the building there is a billboard with an advertisement for for Alan's updated 'Tron' game, but the
paper is peeling and under it you can see the original advertisement for 'Space Paranoids' which was the game in the original. So it stands to reason that Alan updated the game later on. Also you are way of base if you think the 'costumes' look like cheap Halloween props. I think they looks incredible. Very slick and not too over the top when they are 'idle' if you wish. But there definitely seems to be more things going on with the suites when there is action.
Seriously you sound like an angry nerd retard with spit frothing around your mouth. I bet you get your jollies of by disparaging other peoples opinions to make yourself feel good.
You didn't even attempt to watch what was happening on the screen or give it any kind of serious thought. You instantly went to hate, which is sad to see. -
Do you mean Kevin (Flynn) rather than Alan (Bradley)?
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...let me download the damn .MOV?
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I would love to see a blockbuster released without a trailer that gives away too much of the plot. I am already interested in Tron: Legacy from the trailer, but I also saw Tron as a little boy and couldn't believe it--I had never seen anything like it. I hope they don't give too much away.
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"You didn't even attempt to watch what was happening on the screen or give it any kind of serious thought. You instantly went to hate" :P
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MyScreenplay, if you've got RealPlayer you should just be able to open the HD version, hover over it and get the download option.
Very cool trailer, loved it. But fuck... December???
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it still looks somewhat like Tron.
dude's right though, this isn't as bold as the first film, and it does seem to cater to the dark, worn look everyone demands.
He's right though, why would a computer world want to look warn out. It can clean up any scratch as soon as it's made. Unless, the computer is trying to screw with, or trick, it's inhabitants...which could be the case. I guess.
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Apart from that douchebag, the trailer looks pretty cool.
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Thanks for the link!
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"dude's right though, this isn't as bold as the first film"
How could it be, though, when that film was created near the dawn of a new era, and some of its imagery, visual language and ideas subsequently became part of the mainstream of the next three decades? Its "futuristic vision" became reality to a large extent. -
Possibly. Although the concept of there being decadence/hedonism in the system does have a suggested mild precedent here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dn_cZlBOpxE#t=4m10s
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Why did Flynn jump back in?
Why didn't they tear down flynns arcade.
Why does Flynn wait so long to contact his son -----------------
Clu will be explained. He could be random data, or maybe he was recreated to clean up the grid. Is Clu a bad guy- Well how do you mean. In that he does what he's been programmed to do. He looks pissed off and cold- Fine by me.
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Flynns arcade surviving untouched for 20 odd years. Flynn has shit loads of money. He probably bought out the area there- that or his friend Alan saved it from the wrecking ball, but left it alone. Everything else on the block looks run down on that block.
The arcade cabinet room shows that he kept all of the stuff from encom from the first tron. So to me it looks like he planned to go there- Probably fell in love with the world- it was his escape. He's certainly was dipping into that world a lot and the evidence is in the scars on the floor. The reason for him going in there and not coming back out must be very obvious and simple. Someone wouldn't let him out. Or he had to go in to save something or he was dying of something in the real world, and this was a logical escape.
Clu is the obvious problem in the world of Tron.
I keep getting a feeling- even more so from the trailers, that Flynn is repunzel'ed- stuck in a tower way up high as a prisoner- and that's why he called his son in. He's probably been in this pickle for a while trying to find a way to send word to the real world to get some help for many many years/cycles, and somehow he managed it, but he was quickly recaptured and locked up again. Remember he doesn't Derez. He comes back to the real world when he's killed. Clu and the others probably know that. If they derez him- all it will do is send him back to the real world to write another program to fuck with them and protect himself- and then he jump back in and fuck em up. So they keep him captive/prisioner in the world. -
Mar 09, 2010 2:09:08 PM CST
The first film was a primary color saturated neon Moebius comic.
by dr.dirtyd
still nothing has ever looked like Tron. We're not talking Bladerunner here. It's the amount of bold primary colors everywhere in that first movie...except for the real world scenes where it's toned down some and framed in blacks, whites and grey...like the computer world in this film.
Look at the old film again, even stills...the damn thing was an assault on the eyes that still gives people a headache and that only the few can tolerate.
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"wasn't the original Tron world much more computer animated looking? In this trailer, it looks like the real world, which is a bit of a distraction, considering everyone is walking around in those goofy suits!"
To me, the most noticeable change is that everyone has hair on display, as opposed to having helmets/hoods. Aside from that...you may be overestimating how synthetic the original looked. It was the costumes, the sets and the process that lent the original its otherworldly look.
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Damn site says left click save as source. Fuck you it doesnt work!!!! "H" trick to the link reuploaded tiny url save as trick doesnt work either. The website tells you how to do it but it refuses to work!!! I want the trailer in kmplayer so i can examine the fuck outta it!
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After all they had a whole 2 minutes! Shouldn't every plot point be explained in great detail??? Clearly it will be horrible because in 2 minutes the entire plot and every minute detail wasn't explained. Yay internet ruining everything!
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Trust me, if you had been there Tron would have fucked your eyeballs too. Younger people today just doesnt have the same frame of reference. Sure computer graphics has evolved a lot during the last 15 years but these kids grew up with Jurrasic Park style CGI (which was incredible) whereas my generation grew up with simply vector graphics. Yeah you may look back at the 90s and think -Yeah that raytraced monster looked awful. But i look back and remember fucking stick figures in 4 colors. Hmm i dunno where im going with this. Its all relative i guess.
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dark. Because Flynn was trying to erase the garbage- rob the progrmas of resources and data. Just outright fucking clean house. Some tweak or mod Flynn added fucked shit up good, and it bit him in the ass.
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Mar 09, 2010 2:15:02 PM CST
They also just straight up took out over half of the colors.
by dr.dirtyd
Neon colored lines EVERYWHERE. Now it just looks peppered in here and there.
The skull caps and helmets would have helped.
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Do you think maybe he could have made the Tron game after the first movie? See, 28 years passed, we don't know what happened. I realize this is the internet and fanboys want the entire plot ruined months before the movies comes out but a 2 minute trailer isn't going to do it.
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not looking enough like it did in the first film, Does Windows 1.0 look anything like Windows Vista? Not really. The world has been upgraded deal with it. Trailer = Awesome. Music = Awesome x100. I’m super psyched to see this.
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...and it's some terrible eight-bit arcade game with two frame animations of the type seen in "The Simpsons" (e.g. Panamanian Strongman and Escape from Death Row).
It should feature a badly-animated Tron leaping over data barrels rolled at him by Sark, while a ghastly version of Wendy Carlos's theme burbles in the background. -
didn't hear it in the trailer.
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So much potential here...
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In the first film it says that as programmes have an intrinsic artistic quality they look like their makers... it could just be another programme made by Flyne. As to smoke and scratches etc in the film. Do we really need flourishes like the minimize function on a Mac where the image shrinks down, or on Windows 7 where there is a cast shadow on the screen from an open window. There is processor power to spare these are artistic flourishes, just like the smoke in the trailer.
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looked real to us when we saw it. now we see how fake it looks. Ho wmuch should the tron world change- flynns been missing for ages. he was running with the same hardware from the first film. I think the plain and empty look with a touch of darkness. Which I think is Flynns doing- god showing his people his anger. This upgrade is about right. We dont know if the system hits the internet- if it did it would be slow. not even 56k dial up. Flynn disapeared in 1989. So any of his mods to the world and the machines that drive it can only be as high tech as the most expensive hightech shit of 1989. Thats why the world isn't like here yet. But I'm sure it seeking info in ourworld to upgrade itself. Maybe thats why it's so dark. Put the memory where it's needed most. Fuck everything else.
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Does any one know if that was part of the Daft Punk score? It was very Orchestral if it was them though there was the filtering and effects at the end that was like them...
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They nailed it.
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The original was shot in black & white, and yet it has more colour in it than the remake, which was shot in colour.
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Mar 09, 2010 2:36:49 PM CST
Like someone said earlier: Why aren't there faces in black and w
by dr.dirtyd
Whatever. I don't care anymore.
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Young Bridges did not.
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Wikipedia suggests so:
"Jeff Bridges reprises his role as Kevin Flynn, and Bruce Boxleitner his roles as Alan Bradley and Tron" -
Kill a program, free a little memory- Fuck... I just figured it out. Virtual Memory war. The systems been running non stop since 1989. The psychical memory storage is running out and the harddrive system is failing to many bad sectors on the drive- written and rewritten to many times. Maybe Flynn being the smart man he was- set up some sort of real time random memory shut down and restart system- that switch to backup ram, while the major ram is turned off, purged and restarted- without shutting down the system that uses it. A switch system. I still don't understand why this is not used in computers today. Flynn is smart enough to think of some shit like that. Ram swap system. Save the world from shut down. One problem though- the harddrive will start to fail over time. Sectors on the drive will become unusable.
Everything is limited in lifespan- even PC parts. Those parts- the harddrive the ram, it's all failing now. That is why shit looks so fucking dark. Memory is running out, save states and save space is fucked. It's not a game anymore. Memory is so precious, data recovery, data saving, it's all fucked up. The system is dying. It's a fucking war. -
The real world stuff here is clearly shot in Vancouver. That's North Van across the Burrard Inlet in the opening shot, and Sam appears to leap off Granville Bridge on his bike and then teleport to Coal Harbour in one smooth movement. (The same rising section of road beloved by the Cylons as they wander around Caprica City.)
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Mar 09, 2010 2:47:02 PM CST
Tron must be in it. Or I guess they could just call the film:
by dr.dirtyd
Tron 2: Flynn
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Mar 09, 2010 2:47:18 PM CST
Tron must be in it. Or I guess they could just call the film:
by dr.dirtyd
Tron 2: Flynn
He'll show up at the end or something. -
You know it to be true..
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Can't wait to see this film.
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If they have Bridges and Boxleitner, they must have Cindy Morgan in at least a cameo. I saw her recently on the History Channel's Caddyshack documentary. She's got nice fake titties now and looks wonderfully slutty and cougarific.
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the title would still make sense, this new world is his legacy.
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I don't dispute Hedonism/Decadence existing in the digital world (ie. the chick in the white suit looks hot as hell). I was talking about Air Guitar Guy himself. It looks like he could be some sort of douchie MC or Digital Pop Star, which is just lame to me. I don't have a problem with the message they're trying to send though, just that specific character itself.
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This new TRON moviemmakes more sense being 3D then even AVATAR. Nice trailer, by the way. My interest for this movie is raising.
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Love it. Terrible air guitar guy and all. I'm there for the midnight preview.
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First Iron Man 2 now Tron 2, the Craptacular Cavalcade of Shit that was Summer 2009 will be wiped from the annals of movie history and 2010 will be remembered like Summer '82!
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...I really doubt that the computer world depends on Flynn's computer at the arcane staying on. Surely, it makes sense that the programs and the infrastructure of the computer world are distributed across the Internet.
Now, maybe Flynn's computer needs to stay up-and-running to keep him alive inside the computer world. So a hard drive failure might spell his own, personal death.
This does bring up a question though: What happens in the computer world when you shut down your PC?
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sounds like Daft Punk has been playing Metroid Prime a lot. Still sounds good though, if not really memorable the way the Wendy Carlos music was.
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That's pretty cool that Flynn made a game based on his exploits in the orginal film. Also funny is the ENCOM logo on the game cabinet.
Thanks Steve, for the feedback on David Warner. Gonna be a great film to look forward to.
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Mar 09, 2010 3:37:42 PM CST
Got home. Downloaded the 1080p version, streamed it via the xbox
by gabba-uk
to my big ass TV with 1000 watts of ampage behind that score. Wow, just fucking wow
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great fuckin' time in California. Thank you Prop 215.
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Those are good explanations, both, and thanks for laying them out without call me an idiot. LOL, the small joys of the internet.
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I hate getting this excited about a movie so early on but this is by far my most anticipated movie of this year....if that little bit in the trailer can get me that pumped up...damn!!!!!!!
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At 1:28 an OLD style Lightcycle races towards... the Atmosphere Processor from ALIENS???
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Second most anticipated, after, of course, INCEPTION.
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Just ask my cat.
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then just from the 10 frames in the trailer this fucker has next years VFX Oscar nailed!!! Incredible work!!
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Here's the direct link to the flv version of the trailer (Thank Apple for Safari!):
http://tinyurl.com/ydn8ylw
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"I don't have a problem with the message they're trying to send though, just that specific character itself."
He does seem to strike a bit of an odd chord in the trailer.
(Applause.)
Thanks.
Errm, well, maybe that scene works in context. But even if that's the case, safer to leave it out of the trailer. The "whoah!" was also a bit of a bum note (appla- oh, wait, that doesn't work). Would if it he'd just said, "Huh!" with impressed surprise or somesuch. -
Just copies the link; what going on?
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"Would have been better if he'd just said..."
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if this movie looks good now, i can't even imagine how much better it'll look months from now. December, hurry the fuck up!
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Looks like a sick trailer whoah!!!!
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http://tinyurl.com/y8739ep
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Yea that's high on my list as well, a Nolan film is always something to look forward to. Just watched The Dark Knight again the other night, damn what an awesome flick. I always get a bit sad when I see it though, to see Heath Ledger and think what his career would have been were he still alive. Thank goodness though he saved his best for, sadly, his last.
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Apocalypse Tron:
"I'm a user and your son!"
Fynn: "You're neither. You're anti-virus software, sent by grocery clerks"
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The numbers on the computer console are clearly the amount of time the system's been running. 20 years, 11 months, 20 days, 16 hours, 22 minutes, 15 seconds, ## hundreds-of-a-second.
The computer in the arcade runs on "SolarOS 4.0.1".
One of the windows open on the computer is running the unix TOP program. It looks like it has about 41.8 gigabytes of RAM. The names of the programs running are obscured by another window. Someone looking at the 1080p version should be able to read what's displayed way more clearly.
The old-style lightcycle is cool.
The F1 Lightracer/Lightbuggy/whatever is phenomenal.
CLU has a henchman that looks sorta like a Reman.
There are freaky turbulence trails behind the "deadly discs".
Olivia. Rrrrowl...
I was hoping to see an easter egg or two in Flynn's dusty secret computer room, like an old Tandy or a Commodore 64 lying on a table. Alas, there's nothing there that I can see. -
Comes back as a Pacman ghost..
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I've got great screen shots of the system. Where should I post them?
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im also confused by the air-guitar Bowie dude. kinda takes you out of the trailer. other than that, though, this trailer is as sexy as Olivia Wilde in that skin tight suit.
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Linux/Unix geeks, rejoice!
Along with the TOP program, there's another window running the IOSTAT program.
The "SolarOS" kernel is compiled for an i386 cpu, and is 82.19% idle. Either the computer world isn't very CPU-intensive or Intel just makes really phenomenal chips. ;-)
I was wrong about the amount of RAM. It only has about 2.5 gigabytes of RAM, and 4.1 gigabytes of swap space. I've never seen a computer with almost twice as much virtual memory as is has real memory!
It looks like some of the top programs running are Xorg, scsi, hald, init, watch, and ksoft. It seems strange to me to waste resources running Xorg on what I assume is a server, but oh well.
There are 196 tasks but only 2 are actually running. The other 194 are sleeping.
There are two users logged in.
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Mar 09, 2010 5:16:14 PM CST
It looks like the Recognizer is being offloaded from...
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...a much larger vehicle/ship.
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...it's really not that unusual, is it. I think I've been watching too much LOST, and I'm trying to find meaning where there is none. heh heh heh...
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I'm not whining or bitching, I saw the movie in '82 and love it to hell and back. But the more 'realistic' they make the virtual world, the less impact it'll have as an alternate world. Nothing in the 1982 virtual world looks as if it was made out of metal or glass, it was all this shiny CG polygonal stuff. Eventhe 'water' pool was brightened up and made shiny a bit. Now, if you have a Reco that looks like a metal crane and a french chaise longue style chair or dust/steam coming out overywhee, it begins to look man made and for want of a better adjective, 'Speed Racer-y'!
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I'll tell you what happens when you shut down computer. The same thing that happens when the creator of all this reality shuts down the universe.
Wanna know what happens, man.
Nothing
Nothing happens.
Everything stops where it is, and it doesn't start up again until it's turned back on- and even then that doesn't mean that it starts up doing or beginning exactly where it ended.
The start up processes come into play first. The memory is completely washed clean- anything unwritten to a drive unsaved goes bye, bye. Everything begins where it was last preserved- with no knowledge of anything before the last save point. Nothing is aware of the change either. Yori did something like this in the first tron near in the solar sailor control station.
Royston you need to understand that the internet connection system the saved Encom computer is running on is from 1989- This means no 56k modem. If the system has access to the net, it's a very very slow connection. I just looked it up the rig would be rocking a 2400 bps modem if Flynn used the most expensive experimental modem of that time frame leading up to his 1989 disappearance.
This movie better try as hard as possible to be accurate to anything involving computers. The audience knows computers now. No stupid virus shit either. All one has to do is unplug the servers that are infected to work on them. Viruses in movies are always dumb and inaccurate. -
Now that's how a trailer is done!!!
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This trailer looks so fucking average. Some of the shit even loooks chessy as fuck. Now I'll repeat that I've never seen the original Tron so this could be the reason for my tepid reaction, but nonethless, it looks like a typical futuristic CGI film. There is nothing pointing to this movie being as great as you all are expecting...I think nostalgia is just kicking all your asses.
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as fuck.
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Trailer getting a unaninamously positive reaction, putting expectations way too high for a guaranteed let down. Wait and see.
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release date. If the computer shut off flynn would derez. He's a user!
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I mean derez and return to the real world.
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he should be back playing the scarecrow.
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Choice most likely, but not for as long as he has been in there.
Captive- Willing to be money on it.
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to the world, but wanted to perfect it, and prevent it from being misused. Damn I'm such a tron geek man.
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I wonder if that kid can act, I didn't like what I saw, he's a bit of a moody mumbler with two expressions on his face. Like he is overacting by not saying enough. Hopefully he'll put more character into the character than what we saw.
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turning the system off. Some of the programs would still be able to recall information saved on events and other programs. while some of the other programs never had these events saved. So there could be a few programs who would remember missing events and missing programs. While the rest of the programs have no recolection of that information, since it was never committed and saved for them before the system was turned off.
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Mar 09, 2010 6:24:03 PM CST
Well's that's workin for me, digging the Daft Punk music too
by killakane
Might all boil down to sentimental childhood nostalgia, but damn I loves Tron! ;-)
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Directly from the director. It sheds some light on some of the questions raised in this talk balk:
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TRON will get me layed this year
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Maybe Clu didn't want Daddy going back to his "other" son?
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Maybe Clu didn't want Daddy going back to his "other" son?
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Maybe Clu didn't want Daddy going back to his "other" son?
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Sorry
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If the computer shuts down, how can Flynn be "recompiled" into the real world? He needs the computer to run the laser that recompiles him, doesn't he?
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"There's a time dilation effect where time scales in the inside world about 50 times faster than it does in our world. So even though it's been 20 years since Kevin disappeared, that's been almost 1000 years in the computer."
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i was one of the idiots who lined up for an hour to see a 2 minute trailer last weekend. this is so so wrong, nothing visually innovative at all, tron was groundbreaking and if anything a more minimalistic abstract approach today would be far more exciting than what i can see right now, i'm sad
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i always wanted to say that
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I also liked the explanation for the pager and the tech found in Flynn's arcade. Some of the events that impact this story happen several years after the events in the original film. We're almost getting two sequels in one!
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With the folks who've complained about the "look" of this trailer being too realistic. But at the same time I can also understand the reasoning that the program would have evolved by now, and of course as a result, the visuals would look more sophisticated.
But here's the thing...I think the filmmakers really really need to put a scene in the movie somwehere SHOWING that evolution. Maybe it's Flynn who does a voiceover and we see a flashback. Starting out with extremely basic visuals that are identical to those in the original movie. And then we see the transformation. The evolution. Before our very eyes. The buildings grow. The cycles transform. The recognizers evolve.
I believe, as an audience, we need to see that flashback from the filmmakers in order to believe this new "look and feel" we're being presented with in Tron Legacy. Otherwise, as some have said in here, there's very little in common with the first film's reality, which, admit it, was ALL about creating an entirely synthetic aesthetic. -
"Now I'll repeat that I've never seen the original Tron..."
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"bruce boxleitner has aged so badly"
Didn't seem that way to me. Bridges looks a lot craggier.
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EXACTLY
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on the dvd extras for the tron anniversary edition, they talk about the deleted 'sex scene' from the first tron and how it would be included in tron 2.0... The first film had cindy morgan tracing the circuit lines with her fingers, and pushing Tron's 'button's... I bet in Tron 2.0, they will take off their suits and reveal the complex circuitry that you're looking for... and be able to have that finger-circuit-tracing scene that lisberger wanted in the first film...
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might be a good fucking movie to watch on X
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I have to say, I'm impressed.Oh, and Olivia Wilde has just jumped to the top of my "To Do" list...
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Anyone ever seen any of the concept art for the first Tron?
Legacy looks JUST like it! Lisburger and Kosinski just want to make this movie look like what the first movie was supposed to look like.
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For those who say "I didn't even recognize him", apparently you don't watch enough bad SyFy Channel Saturday movies. Because he pops up in enough of those to keep you up to date with him.For those who are picking on his looks, for Heaven's sake the man is going to be freakin' SIXTY in May. Frankly, for a 60 year old, he's holding up pretty damn well. He looks great in the trailer and delivered his few lines about a BILLION times more naturally than Gil Gerard was acting in that BUCK ROGERS clip that was posted the other day.Bottom line: its great to see they found room for Bruce/Alan in the movie. Welcome back, Tron!
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Right before the lightning stroke, you can see all the computer framework and stuff hidden within the "sky". Pretty cool detailing there, I thought.
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Hope Cindy Morgan as Lora/Yori gets to make a cameo as well. For being 56, she's still looking damn good too...http://tinyurl.com/ycxfoc3
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. . . I'm tempted to accuse them of de-aging him. Heh heh heh . . .
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"Not cgi. No way."
Way, apparently.
From the link buckarez posted above:
"Young Jeff Bridges. You got to give people a taste. My reference for Clu is the era Jeff did 'Against All Odds.' Hardest thing to do in visual effects is pull off a realistic human face. Clu's the biggest challenge in our movie. He's a major character." -
actually Bambi II broke that record. over 60 years between Bambi and that one.
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I never was a big fan of the original film, but I'm reeeaallly looking forward to this. I like the palette of the world—the dark darks and the glowing, glossy look. The original looked a lot like an airbrushed 70s Yes album. Which is totally appropriate for the time it was made. I think the new look matches contemporary styles. (I know Flynn went into the computer 20 years ago, so computers, so the world shouldn't look like an iPhone, as it wasn't invented, but I don't care. Besides, 20 years of our world must be hundreds in the computer. It makes sense that everything has changed. Wouldn't the world keep getting rewritten and updated? (Presumably by Flynn inside the world itself.))* Also, Olivia Wilde is mind-blowingly hot. Wow!Oddly enough, I never saw "Tron" in the theatres, but my grandparents took me to see Disney on Ice the same year, and Sark was the main villain of the ice show. I remember for part of the show, a baby in a crib peed on him. Even to 7-year-old me, I thought that was ridiculously incongruous.Mmm. Double parenthesis...sexy.
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"I remember for part of the show, a baby in a crib peed on him."
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i want to eat a handful of acid and see this.Looks and feels pretty good.
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Bring em Back Alive, Scarecrow & Mrs. King, Babylon 5, Tron, Tron Legacy... Marrieed to Melissa Gilbert.... Pretty sure Bruce is fine.
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the RAM you've got. If you're a true Linux geek--I am--then you'll know that Linux likes 4x or 8x swap space just fine, and won't thrash like Windows, thanks to journalling filesystems like Reiser. Just a thought...
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NEW RECOGNIZERS ARE AWESOME. WHAT AN EARLY X-MAS GIFT.
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You are probably right. It's got to have a direct interface with the computer and it's operating system in some way to put something into it and to take it back out. So there goes the system shut down theory. Even if it was running on something separate that was connected in it would still need a feed of the datastream to take him out, or inject him in.
I think the biggest question to rise from this would probably suggest that a system shut down could be very dangerous for Flynn unless he is committed to the drive as data that is only sent out if he is destroyed- ensuring that he's left in until such an event happens, ok but this brings something else to mind. If death means he can come out- all he has to do is kill himself. So how do we show it being impossible for him to do that? Granted he didnt even have shoes with shoelaces on in that tower. So if he is really locked down like that it might be very hard for him to herikeri. What about all the power failures over the last 20 years. What keeps the computer going? Some sort of backup power supply system- better show it somehow. I'm sure Flynn set something like that up, and it helps to enforce the idea that he was atleast going into that world own hi sown freewill- and something else decided he wasn't going to come back out.
I resally hope they touch on the depleated resource issue this system must be suffering from. 20 years of non stop running has got to be causing issues with the ram and the drives. Even if they swap around. The harddrive should be seeing the most problems.
If there is anything glaringly inaccurate in this film as it is now. I hope we never see it in the final version. The lingo of the first film still feels pretty correct. The real world computer interface was a little ahead of it time in what it could do in the original tron, but not insainly out of touch.
I hate it when films like Dieharder did things with real world computers that could never really happen in the real world. I hate it when computers can show 3d views of real world places they are monitoring. You gotta keep the real world computers like they actually are. No silly ass transformers visual virus code crap. -
Mar 09, 2010 10:53:42 PM CST
living in Santa Carla I never could stomach, all the damn vampir
by thejudger
Wish Barnard Hughes/Dumont was in this film like Clu is. Even if it's just a quick blink and you miss him scene.
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Now THAT is a great teaser trailer. Love the atmosphere, the flow, the hints and nudges. Well done.
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" Granted he didnt even have shoes with shoelaces on in that tower. So if he is really locked down like that it might be very hard for him to herikeri."
This is something I've thought about before. If we had Matrix-style virtual world tech into which we could all hook ourselves, there would be many advantages to spending most of your life in it. Even if all we did was have a shared online virtual replica of our existing world (a certain lack of imagination, but bear with me), it would be a world in which there would be no fatal car accidents, no diseases, no murders, no injuries. That seems pretty appealing. But the one caveat I would have would be the one you suggest: the inability to commit suicide. Imagine some glitch in the system trapping you somewhere that you couldn't get out of, and couldn't abort out of the system. It would be horrendous to be trapped somewhere indefinitely with no possibility of death.
You would need to have several layers of failsafes to mitigate against such an eventuality.
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"Wish Barnard Hughes/Dumont was in this film like Clu is."
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Mar 09, 2010 11:57:26 PM CST
I know/care nothing about Tron... but that was a great teaser
by randysavage
Better than 90%... because it succeeded in getting me interested.
I thought the orange bad guy was Gary Oldman - but it seems from this talkback it is supposed to be young Bridges.
Visually, it looks unique. Hoping it is well made.
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"If there is anything glaringly inaccurate in this film as it is now. I hope we never see it in the final version. The lingo of the first film still feels pretty correct. The real world computer interface was a little ahead of it time in what it could do in the original tron, but not insainly out of touch."
The thing that represented the biggest scientific assumption in the original was actually the disassembling laser. As it was shown to work (on humans as well as oranges), it should have become the basis for teleportation technology becoming commonplace. But somehow I suspect that this will NOT in fact be the case in the 2010 represented in the film. -
But this looks fuckin' great. Great trailer. They do everything right with the setup. I'm hooked. Now I have to watch it again.
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God you nerds are funny. Since when did enjoying movies automatically equal being a geek anyway? I love cinema but would never call myself a geek...proudly. There's enough of you here to make up for it anyhow.
But if you had read my first post you'd know it's not for lack of trying. I've tried to rent this several times with no luck. I woulda seen it in the cinemas...if I was alive then. -
http://tinyurl.com/yzu4q2z
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I'm looking through the slots in my computer right now and there's dust all over the fucking place. The concept of Tron is COOL but retarded...the whole thing doesn't make a lick of sense so dust ain't a big deal to me. It was just a fun concept and cool movie. This one looks the same.
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"I'm going to pull your endocrine system out of your body!"
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"God you nerds are funny."
Jeez, dude, *geek*, not nerd.
Since when did enjoying movies automatically equal being a geek anyway?
Never said anything about enjoying them. But you haven't even SEEN what is a major cinema milestone, and one of the iconic genre movies of the 80s. While not in the very highest tier (reserved for Star Wars, Blade Runner, ET, Alien and a handful of others) Tron is definitely in the tier immediately below. -
I support the film makers 1 MILLION Percent with there choice of Daft Punk! With the Comic-Con music as well as this new trailer music, it is obvious that Daft Punk are the best artists to compliment the TRON Universe.
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Looks oddly creepy.. Reminds me of Matthew Barney's films. The Fall and The Cell too. Plus the Aphex Twin invoking music.
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and had pretty low expectations for this...but that looked amazing.
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Isn't that Ziggy Stardust bloke Michael Sheen?
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... they manage to make every discussion banal...
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We loved the trailer (de-aged Jeff Bridges! Possibly good young actor! Bruce FREAKING Boxleitner! Special Effects! Daft Punk soundtrack!) but we are somewhat concerned about the air guitar dude.
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Gotta go clean out my pocket protector.
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Go Conan!
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I'm seeing a therapist about it. There's no need to throw it back in my face!!!
Sniff, sniff, whimper, sob...
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Mar 10, 2010 10:27:19 AM CST
heyscot: Don't forget, a computer console with REAL...
by royston lodge
...computer stuff on it rather than fake "computer dialog" like in every other movie that ever shows text on a computer screen.
I'm still impressed that Flynn's computer had 2.5 gigabytes of RAM in 1989. That shows you just how rich he was!
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I didn't get my Mac Classic until 1990 or 1991. In 1989, I was still operating with my venerable Commodore 64.
I had 64k of RAM. Flynn at 2.5 gigabytes.
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Let's see. . .first there was the Atari 2600 (space invaders and Adventure!), then Commodore Vic 20, then Apple IIc, then Commodore 64, then Commodore Amiga, then Gateway 486DX250, then a slew of home-built systems--POCKET PROTECTOR *ON*
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Mar 10, 2010 10:41:01 AM CST
They did their homework for the "SolarOS" version number.
by royston lodge
I admit it, I'm impressed.
Flynn's computer, running since 1989, runs on "SolarOS 4.0.1".
I took a look on Wiki, and SunOS 4.0.1 was released in 1988.
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I remember writing a really horrible "light cycles" game on my TI-99/4A. Speaking of, everyone should download and play GLtron (gltron.org)...really well done freebie game.
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thats not foam on my mouth, it's your mom's pussy juice....and I didn't "decide to hate", I didn't hate at all, until after I saw the lame ass trailer that fucking retards like you are drooling over while pulling on your one inch puds
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in your critique. Well you didnt like the look of the suites and i cant say much about that. I liked them though. But still, your bashig of the trailer proved you were barely able to register what was on your screen. You drooling retard.
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You'll find me many nights in the Crazy Tronners Fortress under the name "C=64"
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in a few episodes of "Chuck" last season playing Awesome's Dad. He didn't look too old to me. He looks fine in the trailer too.
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Escape from New york comes to mind.
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JK said so on the MTV scene by scene breakdown. http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/Poniverse/news/?a=15710
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...weird. And I haven't watched the trailer yet because I know I'm going opening weekend. I was convinced long ago so I don't want see/know any more before I sit down in the theater.
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The guy who gave us the boggy creek movies and town that dreaded sundown died march 5. sundown especially was one of the best horror movies of the 70s.
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"I didn't get my Mac Classic until 1990 or 1991. In 1989, I was still operating with my venerable Commodore 64."
Dude, why didn't you have yourself an Amiga by then? Most of the geek community had made the switchover by 1988. (The lame-asses made the switch to the cheaper Atari ST.)
64 of Amiga...which one did I love the most? Hard to say...Amiga probably takes it by a narrow margin. Golden age of gaming IMO. -
Even fucking Mario Kicks up dust and smoke when he stops running and changes direction in the Super Mario games.
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Might be the first disney movie since the Pirates movies I'll be able to sit through. I almost forgot that Daft Punk was doing the score but once I heard it I remembered immediately. Perfect choice for this movie.
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"Have you nitpickers not played a videogame in the last 15 years?"
Well, y'see, contrary to what some people might tell you, Tron isn't set "inside a videogame". It's set in a representation of a virtual space, where games are merely one of the things that take place. Whether what we see is supposed to be a visual metaphor for a world that would be too alien for our minds to understand, or whether it is supposed to be a literal representation of what Flynn experiences is not clear.
Certainly it would be possible to simulate dust digitally. The means are clear, the motive is not: for whose benefit would such dust exist?
When you analyse a game, you can invoke teleological explanations: there's dust in this racing game because it's for the benefit of a human player, who likes to see a certain degree of verisimilitude with the "real world". Even in a light cycle game, explosions and particles may increase a sense of human interest and involvement, even if the world looks broadly synthetic and slightly abstract.
But if a recognizer touches down somewhere inside "the system" and kicks up dust, can we invoke a teleological explanation, or is it merely a causal side-effect of something else? Skid-marks in our world are not there for the benefit of anyone; they're a side-effect of a physical interaction. When you draw a cartoon of a bike, you would add the skidmarks to help the cartoon look "more realistic", so a teleological explanation comes into play, one level down from the causal explanation of the "real world".
So what's the reason for the skidmarks and dust in the trailer?
If you go for the "visual metaphor for a world that would be too alien for our minds to understand" theory, it's not problematic, as the explanation is the same as that of the cartoonist adding drawn skidmarks. But if the world we see is supposed to be literal, we have to ask why there is dust there. Or, at least, you CAN ask why dust is there, the same way you can ask why you can hear sounds in space in "Star Wars". Ultimately this (legitimate) issue isn't going to disrupt my enjoyment of the movie. I think Star Wars would be kinda boring without sound in the space battles, and Tronworld might seem a bit flat and dead without these flourishes. -
I mean, I WAS only in grade 6 at the time.
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No, fair enough. I was only in (does conversion to North American parlance), errr, grade 11? But I was working at the weekends to fuel my geek dreams.
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Mar 10, 2010 5:46:11 PM CST
Dust, smoke, and lightning. I say they're quantum phenomena.
by royston lodge
When you shrink down to the point that the inner workings of the computer network looks like people, motorbikes, tanks, and David Bowie, you've gotten yourself down to the point where quantum phenomena become visible.
At that point, traditional logic and physics buy a ticket on the Tron-o-rail and wave bye-bye, leaving you standing alone and bewildered on the station platform.
At which point PacMac, infected with the Rage Virus, gobbles you up.
Then he poops you out, the poop dries out, and you become the dust and smoke of the computer world. -
It looks fucking cool. That's the whole point behind Tron's style anyway. Not realism, just looking cool. If dust makes things look cooler and just happens to be realistic... Fuck it.
Besides, the dust looks digital in itself anyway. It just dissapears instead of spreading thin and dispersing like it should. It's affected by itself way too much. THey wanted to make the dist look COOL, not realistic. -
Mar 10, 2010 5:58:17 PM CST
Look, dust in the real world is mostly dead skin, right?
by royston lodge
So, in the computer world I the dust is made up of dead pixels.
Wakka wakka! -
The effects look great and I hope Bridges gets lots of screen time.
Someday I do hope movies return to more natural color schemes, though. Remember how computer labs looked in '80s movies like "Scanners" and "Tron"? Where the machines were creepy enough without the NIN-style darkness and dingy color effects?
Likewise, the icy "Matrix Revolutions" sheen over everything in the cyberworld...
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On the other hand, that interview doesn't say that CLU ISN'T 100% cgi either.
I say it's either a de-aged Jeff Bridges, or they hired a Jeff Bridges lookalike and used CGI to alter his face to the point where you can't tell the difference.
Or, maybe they used the cloning technology that the Walt Disney Corporation has developed to bring Walt back to life. -
Wakka wakka!
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"When you shrink down to the point that the inner workings of the computer network looks like people, motorbikes, tanks, and David Bowie, you've gotten yourself down to the point where quantum phenomena become visible."
Interesting idea. But I'm not sure I agree. Whereas computer chips need to take into account quantum effects, a standard Von Neumann architecture machine uses logic where there are no quantum effects. VN machines are built upon a substrate of electronics where quantum effects are present, but they do not themselves feature quantum effects.
This might sound like it doesn't make sense, but it's a bit like the way a chessboard is made of bits of wood, plastic, metal etc. that feature scratches, imperfections, atomic bonds etc, but the actual state of the chess game features none of these things. It has abstracted away those low-level phenomena.
Should the denizens of Tron's world be thought of as living in a world of electrons, or merely a world of information? In principle, you can create a Von Neumann computer out of levers, pulleys, ball bearings and a steam engine. Could Tron, Clu et al exist in the data world that was run on such a machine? Yes, so far as I can tell. (From an outside perspective, i.e. our point of view, its rate of update would be very slow, though, although that would not be apparent to any of its inhabitants.) -
Mar 10, 2010 6:39:42 PM CST
I've got another nerdy nitpick, and this time it'll stick!!!
by royston lodge
No brain fart THIS time! This time, my nerdy nit-pick is legit!
Flynn's computer runs on SolarOS 4.0.1. This corresponds fine and dandy to 1989, since SunOS 4.0.1 was released in 1988.
However!
Flynn's computer is also running Xorg.
But Xorg didn't come into being until 2004! Xorg was forked from XFree86, which started in 1992! Before that there was X386, which was first released in 1991. There was no X Window system for IBM compatible computers in 1989!
Furthermore, if we accept that SolarOS is a play on SunOS, we might note that SunOS used it's own X Window system called XSun, which was first released in 1992.
Seems like a good question for a TRON-nerd to ask if there's a TRON: Legacy panel at the next Comic Con! Heh heh heh...
(Of course, there's really no reason why Flynn's computer couldn't be periodically upgrading itself.) -
...that this is set in a parallel world, not our world. After all, Tron's world features working Star Trek-style transporter technology in 1982. Ours clearly did not.
However, the waters are obviously muddied by the fact that the rest of the narrative universe does seem to be portrayed as being pretty much the same as ours. -
...who is getting a serious Matrix vibe from the design of the movie? Don't get me wrong, I absolutely LOVED the original Tron and have damn near worn out my DVD copy ever since the original VFX concept trailer first came out...but it seems like they pulled more from the Matrix than the original Tron.
For example...Olivia Wilde's character on the couch...take away the blue light stripe on her outfit and you'd swear that scene was from the Matrix. Even the antique looking couch in a computer world (like Morpheus's armchairs) draws inspiration from the Matrix. The look and feel of the way the Space Paranoid lands at the beginning of the computer world sequence feels a lot like the Hovercraft landing scenes in the first Matrix. Air-Guitar Ziggy Stardust (or as he will henceforce be known, AGZS) and the chick in the silver outfit with the bleachblonde bun both had very Matrix Reloaded feel to them.
Now before I get tons of people screaming for my demise or threatening to kick my balls off, let me reiterate that I LOVE Tron, and this trailer was fucking awesome and visually stunning, and Disney can go ahead and plan on what to do with the $30 or so they'll get from me going to see this three or four times. Thats not the issue. To recap: I love Tron and I love this trailer. Said and done. Personally though, I would have loved for this movie to have been more visually Tron. I mean shit, how hard would it have been to add some blue or red light stripes to the couch (or the rest of the world for that matter?) The use of white/light areas (like the Arena, the smoking wheel car, the couch, a number of the outfits like AGZS or the bleachblonde chick) really displaces the look and feel.
Just my two cents though. -
I can certainly see where you're coming from.
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At first I was disappointed at the realism of the environment that I saw in the trailer. But after some thought, it makes sense. I realized that what I liked about the original Tron wasn't its synthetic qualities, it was the otherworldly experience.
If they can recreate that feeling in this movie, I'll be happy. I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt.
And I'm thinking that once I see a program get killed then derez in a very unreal fashion, I'll be a drawn in completely. -
all those dust programs...
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IAmLegolas nailed it
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they scanned and made lifemasks off of bridges face to make his cgi youngerself. They are also using james camerons ir camera head mount system on bridges face to animate the younger cgi head of himself. I hope the headgear is opened up more to record his ear warble motions and the movement of his face area just behind the the temples- the mounts edges should be edged 1 inch or so away from the hair line. that area of the face and head has a lot more movement than you relize. The ears still worry me the most. That is the most glaring deadzone area in BZ's Beowulf. Cameron also forgot to didn't open the face up that much for avatar- the helmets edges are just a few mm behind the temple are and the hiarline is covered over. A keen eye can detect these dead zones. If Clu's ears dont move with his chin it will look key some people into it being a fake. I know the powers behind this film read this board. So maybe just talking about it is enough to make sure it's taken care of.
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They scanned and made lifemasks off of bridges face to make his cgi youngerself. They are also using james camerons ir camera head mount system on bridges face to animate the younger cgi head of himself. I hope the headgear is opened up more to record his ear warble motions when he talks and moves his jaw. the outermost edges of the head gear also need to be cut back more, so the movement of his forehead and face area just behind the the temples is captured better- the helmets edges should be 1 inch or so away from his hair line. That area of the face and head has a lot more movement than you relize- resting your hand on hairline and talking is and easy way to explai and understand it. The ears still worry me the most. That is the most glaring deadzone area in BZ's Beowulf. Cameron also forgot to open these areas of face up for avatar- I understand the dilemia that the camera must move with the head. this makes a shoulder mount system impossible- there has to be a way to minimize the helmets covrage of the head while leaving it open enough to record these zones- maybe the ears need their own cameras pointed at them. The avatar helmets edges are just a few mm behind the temple are and they really cover over the hairline (animators did the ear movements and they probably controlled most of the forhead motions beyond th eeyebrows. A keen eye can detect these dead zones. If Clu's ears dont move with his chin it will look fake. I know the powers behind this film read this board. So maybe just talking about it is enough to make sure it's taken care of.
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I've only seen the original Tron once, but I remember Flynn landing in a copter at the end of the movie and then meeting up with Lora and Alan on the landing platform where he says "Hello Directors!!" (or something like that)
What I don't get now is the whole "Flynn Lives" thing. Is it implied he went back into the digital world or something? Am I taking crazy pills? -
The background to Legacy is that Flynn took Encom on to great heights, but disappeared mysteriously in 1989 after seven years controlling the company.
Reading between the lines, it would appear that Flynn used a version of the Encom disassembly laser to revisit the computer world at a secret lab he set up for himself in his old arcade building. Maybe he was planning to open the tech to the public, allow them to experience and use these worlds as an extension of everyday life.
Then, on one of his trips, something happened and he didn't come back. Either he decided not to come back, or - more likely - something stopped him. The insinuation appears to be that his former creation, CLU, turned against him and took control of the system, holding Flynn prisoner. And as nobody knew Flynn was even conducting these experiments (in a hidden room) they simply assumed he had gone missing in the real world...by his own design, or as a result of abduction or murder.
Some time later - perhaps a thousand years later in system time - Flynn manages to get a single message out to Alan. Or, more likely, nothing more than an otherwise empty message to Alan's pager with the arcade number as the sole piece of info. It's a message in the bottle, and Flynn probably has to wait many months not knowing if anyone has decoded it. But Flynn's son Sam is indeed coming.
This is just speculation, but I would be surprised if it's a million miles from the truth. I see Flynn as being somewhat akin to Napoleon on Elba, or the Count of Monte Cristo, or the Man in the Iron Mask: at one time the master of his domain, and now locked away in a secure place, stripped of all his power and influence, yet dangerous if he were ever to be released. -
(for me anyway) THE GUY IS MICHAEL SHEEN! I'm no longer worried. Michael Sheen is fricking AWESOME! I have zero reservations now and I'm not going to start a concerned website called tronairguitarguy.com anymore.
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First I'm horrible about reading through all of Talkback. Second, has much consideration been given to having a different talkback tool that was easier to read through?
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If the powers that be decide to bring back Tron and de-age Bruce, he still won't sound like he did back in the original film...His voice is more gravelly now.
Bridges, however, still pretty much sounds like he did back in the day... -
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