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‘Until The Debt Is Paid!!’ Herc’s Seen The First James Marsters Episode Of Syfy's CAPRICA!!
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Syfy says:
Joseph searches for Tamara in V-World; a rival makes Daniel an offer than could save Graystone Industries; Clarice befriends Amanda in a bid to acquire Zoe’s avatar program; Lacy and Keon meet Barnabas Greely (James Marsters).
What Syfy isn’t telling you:
* The first shot of Friday's Caprica 1.7 shows us Tauron City. A huge moon or planet blocks out most of its night sky.
* Zoe's left arm appears to have been reattached between 1.6 and 1.7.
* Opening credits reveal both Scott Porter and Patton Oswalt are back this week.
* 1.7 teleplay is credited to Patrick Masset & John Zinman (a team that wrote quite a few Scott Porter episodes of “Friday Night Lights”) from a story by Massett & Zinman & someone named Mathew Roberts.
* James Marsters makes his entrance (in memorable fashion) at around the episode's halfway mark, but isn’t really given a ton to do for the rest of his first episode.
* Robotic domestic Serge remains good for a chuckle. One wonders now if anyone besides the Graystones have one.
* The YouTube scene embedded above occurs very late in the episode.
* Genevieve Buechner, who plays Tamara Adams, gets the week off. As does Brian Markinson, who plays detective Duram.
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Got the whole damn thing here, haven't watched a single ep yet. Hey, cut me some slack, I got a ton of movies and Dollhouse Season 2 to watch all the way through. And, at some point, I should really watch that Spec. Spider-Man Season 2. and THEN I'll watch BSG. In August. Maybe.
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Things are starting to built up, I just hope it doesn't slow down again to a crawl........
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is in BSG, so yep
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Mar 05, 2010 3:52:03 AM CST
When it takes a break, it'll be like Fringe or Fast Forward...
by v'shael
I just won't care and when it comes back, if I remember to watch it at all, I may choose to do something else.
I've given this show a lot of chances to impress me. And the only impressive thing was the way they portrayed a polygamous marriage. -
as long as they inolve me banging multiple chicks. I'm not letting a strange dick in my wife.
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then I realised - I just don't care. The pilot was promising, but since then, Caprica's been a chore to watch, much like BSG post-New Caprica.
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...though truth be told only brand loyalty's been keeping me a viewer so far.
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Joss would be the first to tell you to watch BSG before Dollhouse...
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What is depicted on the show is actually classified as polyamory. Polygamy is usually defined as a "one-to-many" relationship such as a man with multiple wives. Polyamory is generally defined as a "many-to-many" relationship where all members share intimacy with each other. Giggity.
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oh the daniel guy from stargate.
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The turgidness and comparitive lack of real drama in Caprica in comparison to BSG reminds me of the same comparison between Star Trek:TNG and it's spin-off DS9.DS9 was little more than soap opera; an Eastenders, or Sunset Beach in space.Why is that? Is it the absence of the journey element; the discovery; that the action is essential to the story and its drama?
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He's got that kind of duplicitous vibe to him. But I'm looking forward to seeing him on Caprica. Caprica MAY have turned the corner last week.
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Siobhan Magnus rocks my world.
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dc films, your an ass. as much as i love BSG, last season blew moose cock. talk whatcha know.
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David Eick, Jane Espenson and Kevin Murphy.
You have the makings of a great series, but you are fracking it up. The concept of humanity on the cusp of creating artificial life is potentially breathtaking, especially when played out against a society that is mirrored to ours. The creation of an artificial life form is about as ground breaking and belief shattering as finding life on another world. It would force humanity to reevaluate its religion, culture, laws... the very foundations of society.
But instead of this being the primary story - the stuff where Greystone reveals the Cylon to the Board of Directors was fascinating - Caprica spends far too much screen time on the teen angst garbage. Despite the success of films like Twilight and series like Gossip Girl etc, teens are not interesting and they do not have interesting lives. Isn't that why you dropped the Boxey character from the re imagined BSG... there was no place for that type of character in the series. The same principle applies to Caprica.
So lose the CW-style crap. Lose the Matrix virtual reality stuff too. If you lose the bloat, you may have a great series on your hands... something as powerful as BSG, Deadwood or The Wire. Right now, what you have is 9 episodes of mediocrity.
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DS9 was the most daring series in the Trek franchise. If Caprica is to BSG as ST:TNG is to DS9, then no wonder I'm enjoying Caprica more than its predecessor.
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Caprica:BSG as DS9:TNG. Gotta make sure my analogies are parallel. ;-)
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:)Brilliant - with such elegance and grasp of language how could you possibly be wrong.Especially since you're in the vast majority who believe the final season of BSG 'blew moose cock'...I stand corrected.... No, really i do.... I bow to your powers of criticism - they uncover such depths of truth regarding the superiority of DS9 over the final season of DS9... They do, honest!
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then tells us how great BSG is.
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and this week she's missing? dammit. but the clip looked cool. loved the tension. still this is a soap opera set in the BSG verse.
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What exactly is it that you're saying is 'shit'?
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the final season of BSG. Which did in fact "blow moose cock".
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Last week's episode was simply fantastic imo. Give the series some time to get its sea legs, guys. After all, we're pretty early in season 1. Thanks to viewers who quickly lost interest and patience, we've had quite a number of great or potentially great shows tank over the years (e.g., JOURNEYMAN).Please, folks... be patient this time.
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misread, i like caprica, it's a very different show. intresting through.
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is the episode, horribly, horribly boring?
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Last week there was lots of love in the talkback. Hope to see the same this week. I feel lonely.
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It was exactly because DS9 was allowed to break free from the tired Trek formula that it worked so well and allowed the riders to get into far more complex issues. It's all fine and dandy to make first contact and then fly away, but what happens when you actually have to stay there and keep the peace? (hm. sounds familiar). That said, I don't think the parallel is accurate. BSG was about a LOT more than the 'journey' - or if it was, that journey was far more metaphorical than just the physical journey to Earth. Caprica is very clearly about a society on the brink (and families are often the best representation of that society), and the invention of the Cylons is only one aspect of that. I actually like the whole VR world - better depiction of what this technology would do than any I've seen so far. And I really like the class and ethnic issues. Can't wait to see Spike on Caprica!
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'Let's throw all our technology into the sun and doom ourselves, our children and our entire culture to a slow, painful, meaningless death'. Really...who gives a fuck about this stuff anymore? THEY ALL DIE. THE WHOLE FUCKING 12 COLONIES. ADAMA. STARBUCK. THEIR CHILDREN. THEIR ENTIRE CULTURE. Who gives a fuck anymore?
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Are both about as interesting as watching paint dry.
I enjoyed the first two Stargate series for the action, the humor, and a heavy dose of disbelief. SG:U has none of that and feels like the same story over and over again every episode.
Caprica is angsty teenage brats who we know end up destroying an entire civilization. There's little interesting about any of the individual characters. Zoe is a flat boring character. Her parents are straight out of Days of Our Lives or Young and the Restless, and making the Adama's a gangster family is just annoying. -
James Marsters was Spike on Buffy and Angel. Michael Shanks was Daniel on SG-1. I don't know how you're confused.
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on burn notice as well.
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You'd think the Cylons would be funnier. And have bubble gum machines for heads.
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Post of the week.
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And every thing ends, including cultures. You wanted it to flash forward a hundred thousand years and see your old favourite characters happily palling around? The characters got resolutions (Baltar's teary acceptance of his role as a farmer after spending his whole life trying to find one or another famous, powerful role to escape his background, for one great example), and that's what I was after. BSG was always beter character drama than it was high-conecpt sci-fi.
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Kevin Murphy 4eva!!!
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Adama goes for a walk with the old man and says, 'let's start fresh' and so THEY ALL DIE. WTF? How much better it would have been for all the people of the 12 colonies if APOLLO HAD TAKEN A BULLET TO THE HEAD IN COMBAT.
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I don't remember seeing him in any previous episodes.
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You didn't find the Dominion War compelling? Odo's identity crisis? The religious intrigue with Bajor and The Kai? The tensions with the Cardassians, the amazing flashbacks to the occupation, the creepy founders, the evolution of Rom and Nog, the (finally) excellent use of Worf, Sisko's evolution, more war and combat than anythingg we ever saw in any trek ever?? Fleets of Federation ships going into battle, real consequences, main characters losing limbs, the death of Dax, the suffering of Miles O'brien... None of this did ANYTHING for you? Not to mention that the cyclon occupation of New Caprica was totally lifted from the beginning of Season 5 of DS9. (I think it was Season 5). You really preferred the extremely stale and lifeless same thing week after week of TNG to all of this?
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Not sure why I have to share with everyone, but I was a HUGE BSG nerd and I haven't even been tempted to see this.
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ratings this week compared to Letterman's and Kimmel's? Seriously? You showed us 6 months worth of prime time ratings, then just stopped once Leno's show was over. Now you're not going to show any Late Night OR Prime Time numbers? Really? Seriously? You should at least try to pretend you didn't have some vendetta against Leno (for no reason I can think of) by showing us some ratings numbers on ANYTHING for a couple of weeks. Now you just look petty...
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He's the head of the Virgis corporation that Greystone stole the Metacognitive processor from in the pilot. I think he may also have had Sam rough up a couple of his guys but I'm not sure.
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OK, that was harsh, but my point is that Sci Fi should be about the concepts. This works better when the characters are plausible and rounded, but in TNG and to an even greater extent DS9 the melodrama of the characters relationships too often came before the story arch and the priority of the high concepts that made the OS so exciting. Sure, the Kirk, Spock, Bones chemistry was great, but that always served the story, not visa versa, as was often annoyingly the case in the Brannen era.Just look at the cheesy FlashForward and how dull the once great 24 has become since the Braga got involved.Or maybe it's just how everything looked like a Hilton hotel lobby that wound me up.
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Steven Ira-Behr's baby, Braga was Voyager. Don't tell me your one of these guys who liked Babylon 5?
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I agree about the Hilton hotel lobby look, but I sort of force myself to look past that. Although I thought DS9's look definitely improved the last couple of seasons. I also think DS9 did a better job of combining High Concept with adventure than TNG did. I thought DS9 did a great job of examining the ramifications of having a galactic starfleet, what impact that could have on other cultures, the moral compromises involved, what happens when we encounter cultural paradigms completely and utterly alien (founders/dominion). But if you don't like it then you just don't like it. LOVEBOAT IN SPACE HOW DARE YOU!!! :)
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I'm in the middle of B5 season 2 right now. That sure is one strange, awkward, little show.
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i had a good freind of mine who loved it, i tried, but back then good sci fi was everywhere.
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Good point about Steven Ira-Behr, but i blame Braga creating a template that the spin-offs were stuck with. Compared to the OS it was virtually a whole new format, revolving around the soap rather than the concepts and the adventure (though there were certainly exceptions, like Times Arrow in which a good story balanced out the soap.@secretcylon, i remember DS9 getting better towards the end, but like i said, it was always going to be shackled by Braga soap-heavy approach. Sisco was a great character, though. But for me, Braga's soap format, combined with what was essentially the Hilton in space was too much to overcome.
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and I don't know why. Each episode has been an unfocused, disappointing mess. And yet I continue with it for some weird brand loyalty, hoping that it might at some point come close to the greatness of the show it was spawned from. Probably ain't gonna happen though
How odd people are talking Babylon 5. I got the first 2 seaons on DVD. Damn straight secretcylon, 'strange' and 'awkward' describe it perfectly. Everyone I know who's seen it says it only really comes together in season 3, but I really don't think I'll bother. The only 2 interesting characters are G'Kar and Londo, all the others are 2 dimensional plot explainers with the occasional bit of pop-philosophy thrown in. Still better than trek though, which with the exception of the new film I've never been able to get into at all
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for the Death of Trek all around, Berman fell in love with that kid instead of Ron Moore, probably a yes man. I did like J.J.Abrams movie, so there hope.
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I'm Sorry about going on the offensive earlyer, i'm overly sensitive about the things i love. You seem alright.
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Herc is nothing but petty. Accept it. The whiny bitch banned my first account because I insulted his affinity for reality TV. Half his output on Coaxial is nothing but Amazon referrer links. He posts maybe one advanced review of a show every quarter or so. The remainder of his poor output is casting announcements and crap that can be found on any other entertainment site on the net, and usually before Herc posts it. I have no idea why they keep him around. He's useless. On BSG: BSG's final season was excellent. In the final ten hours we have Sometimes a Great Notion, The Oath, Blood on the Scales, Someone to Watch Over Me, Islanded in a Stream of Stars, and Daybreak. And all perfect episodes, IMNSHO. That's eight out of ten hours. If I were forced to rank the entire series, The Oath and Blood on the Scales would probably rank in the top ten episodes. Though this has been said a thousand times before on these talkbacks, perhaps the slow people here might actually read it and comprehend it this time: the "angels" were on the show from the very beginning! Head-Six describes herself as an "angel" sent by the "one true god" back in 33 (or was it Act of Contrition?)! Either way, the first or fourth episode of the series. Prior to the airing of the final episodes, I posted some predictions here that basically said that in the final episode I expected the Colonials and cylons to meet some advanced race, possibly the survivors resulting from some earlier human-cylon war, who would help the Colonials and cylons make peace and live together. I even quoted Clarke's Third Law: Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic (and I added the addendum: or divinity). I think I was mostly correct. I expected the remaining Colonials and Cylons to join this advanced civilization in some futuristic paradise, but I'm happy with the "noble savage" ending too (it's certainly cheaper from a production standpoint). I even find the "angels" to be compatible with my idea of the advanced civilization as well. After all, if you are an advanced race of artificial life capable of operating for hundreds of thousands of years, when dealing with ants, wouldn't it simplify things to just call yourself God? Others here have also pointed out the obvious benefits to giving up the ships in order to hide on Earth. Even if the other cylons were to find the planet, it's doubtful they'd even be able to find the humans on the surface. Really, given that the Galactica was no longer capable of service after the battle, giving up the ships and settling on Earth was the only rational choice. Most of the fleet wasn't happy with the prospect of relying on a cylon basestar to protect them anyway.
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I found a lot to comment on in this, so I'm trying to break it up a bit to alleviate wall-o-text fatigue. DS9 was simply the best Trek ever. I love the people whining about the character based drama on DS9. At least they weren't completely perfect cardboard cut-outs like the characters on TNG. One of the most compelling episodes of TNG, and one that has entered the zeitgeist as a meme, is the episode Lower Decks. In fact, there's a "Lower Decks Episode" meme entry on TVTropes. Why is it so important, and why did it have such impact? Because it eschewed the cardboard main crew, and focused on junior officers in conflict with each other, their superiors, and their environment. Much more fertile ground than the staid environment of the bridge crew. As far as DS9's merits go, I'll simply say I agree 100% with the list from secretcylon. The mounds of gooey character drama. The massive fleet engagements. The deaths. The maimings. The Defiant, the best ship in the fucking quadrant. The fact that the characters changed dramatically from episode to episode and season to season. O'Brien kept Bilby's damn cat through the end of the series. Little touches like that are what made the series so great.
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I just want to add that last week's episode was excellent and likely VERY pivotal in the context of the entire series and development of the cylons. As I said late in the talkback last week, I think Tamara is now going to go on a violence binge clearing out the virtual Caprica. I'm going to take a guess and say that the metal cylons have a unified consciousness made of a melded Zoe and Tamara. Zoe brings the blind religious fanaticism, the resentment at being used by her father, and Tamara brings the violence, and even more resentment at being ignored by her father. A very nasty marriage with devastating consequences for humanity. I also noted that several other people here made the obvious Matrix connections last week. Most people compared Tamara to Neo. I think that's close, but misses the mark a bit. I think the better comparison is to say that she's Agent Smith. That should conjure up the appropriate amount of dread and foreboding at what Tamara should become as she moves closer to becoming part of the unified cylon intelligence.
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That is all.
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thats what he gets for having 3 names an a blue goatee
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really expanded Micheal Piller vision
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Dead on Caprica commentary. We'll see. Last week's episode was simply good and entertaining (and even moving) sci-fi (imo). Let's hope this level of quality is sustained (or at least equaled) for the next few episodes.
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It was a Shopping Mall in Space.
Now if Charo, Don Knotts and the father from Happy Days showed up on DS9 you might have a point.
B5 has to be taken in context for the time it was produced. I think DS9 also became a better show due to some competition from B5. They were both "Space Station Shows" but, B5 was the first American Sci-fi show that I recall that had:
- sweeping multi-episode/muliti-season plots.
- No Reset Button
-Characters that grew and changed over the course of episodes and seasons.
-And a truly epic sweep.
-Truely alien Aliens.
-Was the first show to use all digital special effects.
All the above being virtues I also understand that:
- the special effects have not aged well.
Straczynski had a tin ear for dialog. Nobody talks like that.
The acting was not always the best. Patrick Stewart could sell some pretty ridiculous technobable shit that Bruce Boxleitner could not.
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Don't worry, i fly off the handle if people dis BSG. Not problem with disagreeing - it's when people don't have an opinion at all that life gets dull.@RhuraghI could agree with you if DS9 / TNG were dramas, but they're sci-fi and i think they forgot that too often. I don't wanna see the every-man struggle with the hierarchy and it's bureaucracy in this kind of sci-fi, i wanna see high concepts and sweeping, epic archs, which brings me to...@InActionManYou're right in my book. B5 had it's faults, nut it brought back sweeping story archs that powered the series. Hopefully the episodic series is dead - long live the story arch: BSG & Lost being the best examples.
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but i'm really enjoying Caprica.It's got so much plot compared to DS9 and it's much more interesting dramatically. I fucken hate the buffyverse, though, so Marsters better not make this all shit with his buffy shit.
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What, no news about "Community" getting picked up for season 2? What the frak?!?
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Truly the case for most of Trek. Sicko was trying to be all "I am not Hawk", while the others were just plain boring.Once he said "OK, I am Hawk", the show became pure awesomesauce.
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I wouldn't want to humiliate Leno by demonstrating how much higher rated was Conan's first week at the Tonight Show.
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only one exists. You can follow him on twitter and get insight about the series.
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You and I seem to want different things. I want science-fiction, in the Clarke/Heinlein/Asimov/Bradbury sense of the genre. Speculative fiction concerned with illuminating an aspect of humanity or society. Hard complex dramas with intricate characters and plots. You seem to prefer space opera. I love the former. I no longer enjoy the latter (though I used to love it). Much of television sci-fi, particularly Star Trek, has been a mix of both genres. Classic Trek and TNG were mixed pretty evenly, with perhaps a slight bias towards space opera. DS9 was much more heavily science-fiction, though did stray into space opera. Voyager and Enterpoop were almost completely space opera. The Stargate series are completely space opera, with a poor attempt at science-fiction in Stargate Universe. BSG and Caprica are completely science-fiction.
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Except for the all digital special effects, DS9 contained all of your bullet points as well. Plus, it had the familiarity of the Star Trek universe going for it. I'm not anti-B5 at all, but I just didn't find it good enough to invest in learning a whole new sci-fi universe when my warm and fuzzy Trek was right there waiting for me.
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as Vergis?
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i Grok
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How the hell does a computer program lose weight?
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was just about the only good thing about Showtimes Jeremiah. I don't really care for marsters, but pyper-ferguson is usually pretty good.
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What a snooze tonight's ep was! With only three to go before the frustrating "break" they had better amp this up or else I am gone. Oh and when is "SG: Universe" coming back? That is far more involving than this!
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....yeah, so how did those high ratings numbers eventually work out for him, Herc? Is he still on TV somewhere? Or is he still trying to get back his dignity from not being able to even beat Nightline on a consistent bases.
You humiliate Leno??? Seriously?So tell us Herc, how many times did Letterman beat Leno in ratings this week? Or how many times was he even withing half a million viewers?
Coughlin and Ruragh are right, you are pathetically petty to the point of childishness. But then again we all knew that. Still it's going to be fun watching you pretend like the last 7 months of ratings columns never happened as Letterman gets back to getting his ass handed to him by Leno, on a nightly basis. -
I'm really getting into this show. For my money it's one of the best things on the tube today.
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DS9 was the best Trek because it was the most un-Trek. a lot of TNG alumni frustrated with working within the confines of Gene Roddenberry's utopian philosophy were rebelling the DS9. I am currently rewatching the series and reviewing episodes on my blog. I have been surprised how many of the best episodes of the first two seasons were not only about non-Starfleet characters like Odo, Quark, and Kira, but they express cynicism at Federation ideals.
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In terms of sheer comedy genius, Letterman beat both Leno and Nightline every night this week.
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was my favorite of the Trek sequel series.
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Bennett was Doral, the other Vergis.
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Mar 06, 2010 12:19:20 AM CST
Right Herc, because that's what Nightline are aiming for,.....
by kai_mah'gra
........comedy genius. Right.
More "genius" commentary from the "smartest" hack at AICN. It's good to know that now that Letterman is getting his ass handed to him in the ratings on a nightly basis as before, suddenly ratings don't matter any more (unlike anything you may have read on a Coaxial section of some AICN website somewhere on the internets during the last 7 months may have led you to believe). No, now it's 'Comedy genius' that's important. Ratings? Who needs those? Right? Mr. "Relentless-ratings-articles-to-make-fun-of-Jay's-demise-at 10pm"?
Oh and thanks for reminding us all that Letterman couldn't even beat Nightline in the ratings this week, let alone Jay. Good to know that you were also paying attention to that.
Petty. And. Pathetic.
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.. last week blew my mind a bit. This week, not so much. But it was still worth the watch. I feel that things are dragging on a bit and Zoe taking SO long to expose herself to her father or mother feels like an old TV drama trick. But I accept this and will keep watching anyway.
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Mar 06, 2010 1:06:32 AM CST
Sort of "meh" until that final scene with Greystone and Virgis
by zillabeast
CAPRICA is still pretty frakking captivating, and one of the very best things on TV right now t'boot. I absoltely LOVE this program and love the direction they are headed though. I've been telling folks since the pilot last year that this has the potential to become a far better raw-Science Fiction show than the space opera BSG. I just hope the ratings don't end it all before they have a chance to really unleash the potential.
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Won't be nearly as funny these sensitive days.
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That was supposed to go in the POLICE ACADEMY reboot thread....
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It gets better with every episode, has some great dialogue, hot chicks from Rome and Deadwood, the original Marty McFly and Jane Espenson, one of the world's greatest living writers (fuck you, if you disagree. Yeah, I'm looking to get flagged).
If it gets renewed I'll be as surprised as I was to see Dollhouse return. Which sucks, because this show makes me feel like there's this whole other side of the Galactica mythology that has yet to be told. If the show fails, I hope they take a stab at another series, set during the actual Cylon war. I'm still unclear as to whether Caprica is supposed to take us to the beginning of the war or through the whole war itself.
I'm enthralled by the journey of Zoe Graystone and am enthralled by the actress that plays her. Her monologue in the pilot episode was what hooked me on the series. One thing I love about the Galactica universe is that its best moments come from the drama, like Jaime Bamber's monologue in "The Son Also Rises" -
Nothing beats proudly proclaiming to all the world that you are a dull, boring person.
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If I was Kai, I would bring up a news show ratings that had nothing to do with anything and throw it in Herc's face. Take that, Herc.
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........I wouldn't bother to read that Herc was the one that brought up the point about Letterman besting both Leno and NightLine in the "comedy genius" department (as if Nightline is a comedy show as opposed to a News show), and then idiotically and moronically poke my big fat ugly nose into a discussion I demonstrably know jack shit about by insinuating that the person who called him out on it was the idiot in all this.
But only if I was buffywrestling.
We can't all be buffywrestling, after all.
And thank the gods that we're all not so lucky to be buffywrestling, the genius who doesn't bother finding out what he's talking about before he actually releases it from within the bounds of that copious cavity and boundless vacuum residing between his ears and behind his eyes.
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No, Space Opera is way too simplistic a way of describe the approach i enjoy (and a neat way of making me look dumb, so thanks!)I'm interested in the Philip K Dick / J G Ballard approach, in which the idea and it's vision rules. They really show how people survive and interact in the strangest of circumstance - that essentially there's always going to be a deranged, selfish animal hiding inside us all that we need to overcome, or no amount of tech will save us. Sometimes such fiction shows us how in fact we have changed to the point that we've lost that inner demon, but that this can be somehow a bad thing in itself.I've always got time for good space opera, but please don't suggest that my desire to see less kitchen sink soap opera in sci-fi means i'm intellectually impaired!As i already said, all fiction needs plausible, rounded character, with scenarios and character archs that illustrate this. However, this should never be at the expense of the story arch - particularly this shouldn't be more important and take up more screen time that the story of the concept involved. The Braga era of Trek did this all too often to the point where it was virtually a soap opera and the cannon of the Trek universe. suffered.
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Supernatural and Smallville were worse than this when they started.
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i liked it, not my favorite, TNG takes that honor. Im glad someone else caught on how BSG had the same plot lines as of DS9...but there is a difference, the occupation of new caprica to the occupation of DS9....BIG difference...BSG:people dying, in prison cells DS9: Odo and Kira sipping tea in the comfy rooms planning the resistance...one is believable and the other is not.
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This show has definitely taken me by surprise. It's got a wonderful premise and setting, memorable characters, top-notch acting across the board, and every episode has left me wanting to see the next. Like chapters in a book.
Yes, I'm sure some people think it's boring. Yes, it doesn't have huge space battles.
But if you're judging the show on these factors, then you don't appreciate incredibly well-written drama. Not just science fiction drama -- drama, period. Which is why many geeks fail when it comes to literary examinations of humanity.
Got news for you: "Caprica" is the best thing I've seen on television in a long time.
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Just curious.
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One of the big differences between the two was the fact that Sisko had to lie in the bed he made, and Picard did not. The Enterprise allowed Picard to arrive at a planet, stir up some shit, make a high minded speech, and then bail on the situation. Sisko was stuck with the ramifications of everything he did. If Picard had been a major religious figure (which did happen with the stone age people who called him a god "The Picard"), he told him he wasn't and the left to never come back. Sisko was the Emissary, and then had to face the Bajor people constantly in that position. He couldn't do what Picard did and just say, "Yeah I'm not... see you later". He had to deal with the whispers and constant requests. At first he wanted to ignore it... then eventually he ended up giving his life for it.
I remember someone saying that Picard was a Deus Ex Machina... he was essentially a flawless character. It's scientifically impossible for a human being to have as much insight, dignity, authourity, gravitas, and flat out balls as Picard. Riker at least a constant lack of faith in himself... thus leading him to serve 15 years a Picard's first officer. Worf had definite anger issues. But, Man, Jean-Luc was just perfect. -
I wouldn't worry about that guy, fellas. He's the same douche who told everyone that TDK was going to bomb. And we all know how that turned out...and probably why he disappeared for so many, many, many months.
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Apologies, it was not my intention to insult your intelligence. Kudos for a measured response after my post though.
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Yes, Tom. Ignore the poo flinging in here and give it a shot. No BSG knowledge required. The only character in common between the two is future Commander William Adama, Olmos' character in BSG, and in this, he's about eight years old.
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...I missed last night's episode. However, I rather enjoyed last week's ep and thought it was a good step forward in terms of drama and plot possibilities.That being said, an idea crossed my mind while watching Tamara discover her post-death V-world nature:If Tamara turns out to be a part of the foundation of the overall Cylon culture (as we know it to be from BSG), could her consciousness be the reason that the Adama family was spared during the attack on the Colonies? Could she be the reason behind Lee Adama (Apollo) getting transferred to the Galactica?Interesting...
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Ferguson played Vergis in last night's episode. You may also recall him as Pegasus' tight-ass martinet CAG (the guy who benched Starbuck and Apollo right before the Resurrection Ship fight) when the Pegasus first showed up.
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is that each episode's interesting 'developments' can be condensed to five minutes, leaving 55 minutes of nothing (or 'virtually' nothing - pun intended) happening. I much prefer SGU at this point.
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If you prefer SGU, just watch BSG seasons one and two again. That's where the SGU writers got all their material anyway.
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And we all knew there would be payback for the theft of that chip. This is turning into a futuristic Sopranos, with the Matrix thrown in.
One problem for people with BSG, was that the drama and the character development got in the way of the whole "Space pewpew" thing. This series doesn't have that. If they can improve in the next batch of episodes, then this has to have a second season. Liking it so far. -
It is a bit slow sometimes but you can tell its building up towards some nice conflict issues that should propel the show into some much more interesting territory. I like Stoltz and Esai and both of all 3 of the young ladies do a nice job in their roles.
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I love the show, but it's an obvious rip off of the classic TV show "Small Wonder," with a dose of the Matrix thrown in :)
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When exactly did I say that TDK was going to bomb? Link?
These things can easily be proven (or disproven, as the case may be) by providing a link to the specific talkback wherein I supposedly stated that TDK was going to bomb.
Just post the link proving that you're not pulling some idiotic nonsense out of your ass (you are) and prove that I actually said whatever crap it is you claim I said, or shut the eff up.
And who disappeared for months? Just because you don't see someone's posts, or rather aren't paying attention with your not-too-surprisingly limited attention span, doesn't necessarily mean that they are not posting or are not there; - not that anyone would expect you of all people to understand that. I have no idea why you felt the need to drag my name into your raving insanity and lunatic ramblings(maybe no one will pay attention to you otherwise), but I would suggest next time know what you're talking about before you actually make the decision to say it.
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Just wondering.
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I'd say Caprica is a step up.
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I can't speak for Herc, but I know *I* loved seeing those ratings numbers not out of some desire to kick Jay in the proverbial balls (though that was fun) but rather out of desire to shove it in NBC's face that killing scripted hourlongs for the sake of their hack chinboy was a colossal mistake.
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Nobody's going to argue with you that the true fuck-ups in the whole Jay-Conan fiasco were the NBC suits who engineered this whole mess, and specifically their butt-boy Jeff Zucker. But Herc, along with a whole host of Lemming fanboys on AICN have been carrying this Leno-hate for much longer than before the whole episode started, and the whole ratings deal last year that Herc was running was nothing more than an F-you, not to NBC or Zucker but specifically to Jay, who also got screwed in this. I just felt it needed to be pointed out that Herc was doing this out of pure childish and spiteful pettiness as he is known to and not out of any egregious sense of faux-journalistic integrity. Especially as is evident by the fact that he won't even mention ratings one bit now that Leno's beating Letterman again.
Now, I'm not going to even try to defend Jay; - in fact everybody, had some fault to bear in this whole episode - including Conan himself, not so much for not being able to get the necessary ratings, but for getting and taking bad advice from his agents and publicists vis-a-vis trying to play hardball to get the Tonight Show 5 years ago (rather than just taking either the ABC or the Fox deal that was supposedly on the table at the time), and not giving himself a viable exit plan when the shit hit the fan. Which as we all know it inevitably did. -
at the moment, since the piolt she's hardly been in it. and when she is she's just standing about.
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Leno is a complete unfunny hack
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"Oh you lost a chip and a couple of goons? Come to my house, and treaten what family I have left??""Get ready to fill up the other arm."
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Really? Because it took me just 5 seconds to find this Talkback: http://tinyurl.com/ycknfsxHere's a little slice of your asshattery on display:Quote: "
It must really reaaaally suck to know that your Batman isn't going to do anywhere near the numbers of a potential suckfest movie like Hancock. (it probably sucks more to be a Batman fan, period, but hey) Yeah, that's right. Will Smith is GUARANTEED to uber-outgross Bale even with a suckfest of a movie in Hancock. That's like getting your ass bitch-slapped by a guy with his hand tied behind his back. So just to re-cap TDK will not be the number one Superhero movie of 2008 (it's still a toss-up between Iron Man and depending on whatever Big Willie can pull in on the 4th of July Weekend); TDK will not be the number 3 superhero movie 2008 (Likely to be Hellboy2), TDK will probably most likely not even be the number FOUR Superhero movie - that's right, it probably will get it's butt handed to it by Incredible Hulk. IF we even consider Indiana Jones a hero of sorts you can go ahead and drop that Batcrap all the way out of the top 5 hero movies of 2008. But that's okay folks, it will do well on DVD and video sales. Rrrrright. Just like Firefly......er...... I mean Serenity, and.....um... Superman Returns. Again I say: I laugh at all your sorry asses. Laugh hard. I mean, I'm really really reaaally trying my utmost to conjure up some sympathy and feel sorry for you losers, but all that comes out is this merciless, uproarious and hearty laugh. Loud too. $100 Million. HA!!!"Wow. And that's just for starters. Meanwhile, here are some hard TDK box office figures via Box Office Mojo:$203.8 million over a 5 day start$158.4 million over the opening weekend aloneSo, tell me...do you still think Batman is a "second-tier hero" you sad sack of troll shit? -
...please don't address me as if we have some sort of established, past Talkback relationship. Because when you use false, impotent phrases like "...your not-too-surprisingly limited attention span..." or "...you of all people...", it makes you look even more foolish than you already do. Not that I really mind you looking like a complete idiot, per se. It's just sad when Talkback dolts, such as yourself, try to get all uppity because of the sand in their vaginas.
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though doubtless Kai would argue that there's a difference between saying a movie is going to "Bomb", and say, a movie is not going to be in the top 5 movies of the year. Or not going to break a 50 million dollar opening weekend.
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It should had been him and his team in charge of the new Star Trek movies, instead of the assclowns who got the job.
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There needed to be a DS9 movie which somehow also included 7 of 9.
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But I don't half mind it. The pilot didn't blow me away, but it's been uphill with the episodes. IF it continues, I'll probably have the same fanaticism for it that I did with Galactica, DS9, early X-Files.
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Yes, the easy play/retort would be for him to focus on the specificity of the word, "bomb", in the hopes of negating the overall gist of his asshattery in that specific TB. But you really shouldn't feel inclined to do his thinking for him.
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Totally destroyed that guy. Dang!!!! How long has it been since Mr. Nice Gaius posted that link and that guy hasn't responded??
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As was said by someone else above, I loved it precisely because it wasn't the whole hippie commune that the other Treks made the future out to be. I remember TNG speaking about how the human race had moved past using money and that we were all clean-cut people who all loved one another.
DS9 showed that to be very much not true. Plus, I love the fact that Sisko actually punched Q. Not to mention the story became amazing towards the end, with the Dominion War.
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Actually, I'd say the fact that he was routinely shown to be a bit of a cold fish proves that he WASN'T flawless. TNG showed many times that Jean-Luc was difficult to relate to, slightly aloof, and generally too cerebral. And if we're complaining about deification in Star Trek, you don't get much more god-like than Jim Kirk. Now THERE's a deus ex machina for you. I'd also say that because the two shows were so different, trying to compare DS9 and TNG is a bit of the old apples and oranges. Personally, I *prefer* the classic Roddenberry "utopia" precisely because the VAST majority of future fiction on television and in film is dystopian. DS9 played too many of the same old bleak notes we've heard from sci-fi before.
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But it does seem like he has vanished in to the ether of shame or something, so may not have even seen my post.
In the words of Shang Tsung "Flawless victory.... Fatality" -
to be honest Avery Brooks couldnt act for shit compared to Patrick Stewart who could act but had a bland show.
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to be honest Avery Brooks couldnt act for shit compared to Patrick Stewart who could act but had a bland show.
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Yeah, it has been rather quiet around here, hasn't it?
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Respect. :)
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crickets...
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I watched the first three "spectaculess" episodes and I'd rather watch re-runs of Gomer Pyle singing to Sgt. Carter while he's taking a crap.
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You can see the writers figuring out what is working, the last two episodes have been the best. Love the addition of Vergis and Barnabas. I liked the show from the beginning, even with its weaknesses, but it's really starting to take off.
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Has promise
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