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Mark Burnett Pitching A Sarah Palin Reality Series!!
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Former vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin appears to think she might be ready to appear in a reality show on one of the big-four broadcast networks.
The former Alaska governor, who claimed last summer that CBS’ David Letterman joked about the “rape” of her 14-year-old daughter Willow, has teamed with veteran reality-show producer Mark Burnett to pitch a reality show, possibly about Palin’s family and their life in Alaska.
I’m guessing the networks might be more interested in documenting Palin’s blue-state swing this week through Los Angeles. E! reports Palin and her “grabby entourage” swarmed the Oscar gifting suites “like locusts.” The same report, however, quotes a source indicating that Palin ordered photographers away from that part of her and her family’s life.
Another ratings grabber might be a look at the Palin family life described by Palin's not-quite-son-in-law Levi Johnston, who told CBS’ Early Show in October that Palin routinely calls her Downs Syndrome-afflicted son Trig her “retarded baby.” He also said Palin would fight with her husband in front of their kids, and that daughter Bristol Palin took care of Trig much more than Trig’s mother did.
Burnett’s reality resume includes CBS’ “Survivor,” “Pirate Master” and “Rock Star,” NBC’s “The Apprentice,” “The Contender,” “My Dad is Better Than Your Dad” and “Amne$ia,” Fox’s “The Casino,” “On The Lot” and “Are You Smarter Than A Fifth Grader?” ABC’s “Shark Tank,” TNT’s “Wedding Day,” MTV’s “Bully Beatdown,” the History Channel’s “Expedition Africa” and Discovery’s “Eco-Challenge.”
Find Entertainment Weekly's exclusive on the matter here.
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For unleashing this plague upon us.
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And a true media whore
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Aren't conservatives supposed to hate Hollywood? Palin must like LA because it has a lot of television cameras in it.
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people focus on her lack of political knowledge, but that's not the real dangerous thing about her. the problem is that she's professional wrestling. she's playing a part, and milking it for all it's worth. that so many people in America are duped by that is just STAGGERING to me. I know there's plenty of extreme right wingers who support anyone that is that conservative, and that's fine. but that so many people truly believe that she is anything other than a power-seeking phony, is just downright scary. I mean, some people think that professional wrestling is real. but mostly, they're either retarded, or 10 years old. and they don't vote. her down home, aww shucks hockey mom schtick is just an affectation she uses to get support. I just don't see why she's STILL AROUND and hasn't been laughed out of the political spectrum by now.I guess a reality show would be the final nail in her political coffin, which would be good, but I just wish she would disappear altogether. she's making republicans look worse than Nixon did, for christ's sake.
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Mar 04, 2010 3:19:11 AM CST
Was there ever any doubt she is not quite right?
by kateobviouslydidntgoblack
She named her son, "Trig." As in, "kindling." As in, "what babies will end up cooked over if The Apocalypse turns out like The Road."
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MAYANS FUCKIN RULE!!!
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The restaurant I used to manage, before the owner sold it, got a phone call from who claimed to represent, "A small, independent, Production Company." They wanted to shoot a last-minute dining scene, "on a budget," the next day at my restaurant. I thought we needed the publicity, so I gave the go-ahead and asked her to email me the contracts (which did not say Mark Burnett Productions on them, of course).I show up at 6am to find our parking lot packed, the neighbors calling the cops because a cameraman on a lighting crane was, apparently, peeking in a window, two of the Kardashians in a huff, and the owner an inch away from firing me on the spot. They paid less than $500 for the location costs ("on a budget"), and eventually overloaded our power, forcing us to shut down for the day. Ultimately, they never used the footage they shot.
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is that anyone born in this nation could be elected president. What's frightening is that Sarah Palin could be elected president.
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yeast and spoilt yogurt
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most any of them will be 2x as intelligent as saggy tits palin
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But it's the rest of the right wing audience who sucks at her Alaskan frigid teat, who are to blame for the fact that she hasn't just fucked off back into obscurity.
Someone needs to break a career ending scandal around that female-Dan-Quayle. Like, maybe how the "retarded" baby was actually her daughters baby. And the reason it's retarded is because it's inbred.
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Mar 04, 2010 5:05:17 AM CST
MrBadWonka: "That so many are duped is staggering to me"
by starship captain
Why should you be surprised?
Even MORE people were duped into voting for the arrogant cock and fucking idiot we DO have in the White House right now. -
How were people duped? Because Obama is executing an agenda he said he would during the campaign? Don't Ask Don't Tell. Health Care Reform. Ending torture. Even Joe the Retarded Plumber said "he's one of the more honest politicians because at least he told us what he was going to do."
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Mar 04, 2010 5:48:29 AM CST
Do they realize she is polling about 20% approval for President
by shutupfanboy
I am sure it will get a big rating to begin with and then die a few weeks later.
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She'd be subject to the approval of the American television audience, which is by and large pretty damn stupid, so it would probably be successful. But it would further invalidate and marginalize her as a political voice in this country. People have claimed in the past that Obama has been "over-exposed" in the media, but each time he has it has been in discussions over policy. Palin right now is over-exposed and when she is over-exposed she discusses... well... what the fuck is it Palin talks about anyway? There's a clear contrast to make between her and other politicians (both Democratic and Republican) -- while some bicker and skirmish over substantive issues that will forever shape this country, the Palin family bickers and skirmishes over shit that BELONGS only on reality TV. She's hillbilly heroin. So if a reality show only serves to further up her status as a bumbling joke, then bring it on. I need some more laughs when I watch Talk Soup.
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she's surely a taint on McCain's legacy.I don't have a horse in this race and think both parties stink, but there's little need for another demagogic media whole to confuse the public and obscure the real issues.
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Gee, you must be a deep sea fish to be so far in the tank...
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she will tell everyone what drugs she was on when she named her children. Track, Trig, Bristol...
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her daughter at the baseball game (the 14 year old) was knocked up by A-Rod. Well, any sex between a 35 year old and a 14 year old is rape...
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or at least thinks they are stoopid sonz-a-bitches.
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Jesus... Letterman thought he was making a joke about the older (17 or 18), famously pregnant daughter, not the younger one who was actually the one visiting. It's still not a very nice joke to make, but come on!
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The more and more she does on camera, the more ammo opponents have to use against her. She'll never be elected to any office higher than small town mayor at this rate.
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She is not the savior, but she is also not the anti-christ! The hatred for this woman amazes me. Don't worry, she's not gonna be the president.And Herc, I thought I'd have to wait for the talkbacks to hear the hate. You don't have to be unbiased, I guess, but how about just reporting the story without the snarky attitude?
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Mar 04, 2010 7:25:21 AM CST
That's your defense? That he was only calling the 17 year old
by coughlins laws
a whore? How could he be talking about the 14 year old (who was at the game with Palin), and then all of a sudden, in the next sentence, be talking about the 17 year old? But anyway, that is irrelevant. Letterman himself admitted that he was wrong to say the joke and he sees why people thought he was talking about the 17 year old. But like I said, even if he was talking about the 17 year old (logic tells you he was talking about the 14 year old), he's still calling Palin's teenage daughter a whore on national television. If if was your daughter, would you be happy about a 62 year old pervert that keeps making sex jokes about you and your daughters?
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Mar 04, 2010 7:27:36 AM CST
And again, I just don't understand why a lot of you hate
by coughlins laws
this woman so much. what has she ever done to you that demands such visceral hatred in return? It makes no sense and is actually kind of pathetic...
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Personally, I thought it was a sleazy joke to make no matter who it was. And I don't like how people seem to think the hate for this woman justifies insulting her kids.BUT, I also believe that Letterman's people heard Palin's daughter was in town, either didn't know it was the younger one (or didn't care), and made a joke about the pregnant one (who may have been 18 by then). I just tend to believe if it was meant to be about the younger one, Letterman wouldn't have made the joke. I don't justify either, but you have to admit there is a difference.
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After all, she arguably cost the Republicans the election, or at least didn't help. I actually know someone who said they liked McCain, but because of his age they were genuinely afraid she could become president.
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I'm no Sarah Palin fan - and her doing a reality series would be no surprise to be. But I have to call complete BS on how this story is presented
It is true that she is pitching a series but the article on EW dosn't say anything about this being about Palin, but rather being about Alaska.
Here it is. Just because this is Mark Brunett doesn't mean this is about following sarah palin's family around with a camera. Thank god because I can't think of anything worse.
http://hollywoodinsider.ew.com/2010/03/03/exclusive-sarah-palin-shopping-alaska-docudrama-with-mark-burnett/
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Mar 04, 2010 7:36:05 AM CST
Here's a recap of the joke again. Letterman said something
by coughlins laws
like: "Did you see Sarah Palin at the baseball game with her daughter the other day? Her daughter got knocked up by A-Rod during the 7th Inning Stretch..." So, the daughter that was with her was the 14 year old. How could he all of the sudden be talking about the 17 year old that was 3000 miles away in the next breath? He wasn't. Either he knew that the 14 year old was with Palin and made the joke anyway (therefore, it was clearly a statuatory rape joke), or he is stupid and didn't know. He should have found out. But, if he really did believe it was the 17 year old there, explain to me how it's funny for a 62 year old pervert to say that Palin's teenage daughter fucked a 35 year old man in front of 50,000 people and millions at home. How is that funny? Explain why Palin shouldn't be upset at Letterman talking about her teenage daughter being fucked in front of millions of people? Should Palin have gone on his show and thanked the 62 year old for talking about her teenager being fucked on national television? Please explain this to me...
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Mar 04, 2010 7:41:38 AM CST
And you guys don't have to worry, she'll never be President
by coughlins laws
I don't even think she's going to run. As far as costing McCain votes, I don't think that's true. I think Obama would've won by more if not for her being on the ticket. McCain didn't excite anybody. she was the one drawing people at rallies. After that banking collapse in October before the election, there's nothing anything McCain could've done to win the election. Just remember, McCain and Obama were tied for most of the summer and McCain was slightly ahead of Obama after the RNC and after Palin was on the ticket. It wasn't until the financial collapse right before the debates that Obama took the lead for good. Palin had nothing to do with it. The country was going to blame Republicans because Bush was in charge for 8 years, PERIOD.
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Mar 04, 2010 7:53:04 AM CST
Doesn't this show already play out in every Jerry Springer ep?
by judge briggs
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Oh, wait... That would require consistency. Nevermind.
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Remember when Dean was in the future and experiencing the apocalypse? "President Palin authorized an airstrike on Dallas."
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Because if she wasn't magically knocked up by A-rod, then logic suggests Letterman wasn't talking about her, but about a heretofore secret Palin daughter. To believe otherwise would be to suggest that a joke is something that is not based on concrete, factual incident... And that would be crazy.
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and it really shows something about your character if you found it funny. A 62 year old known womanizer and creep said on national television that a 14 year old got raped by a 35 year old in front of 50,000 people. Explain why this is funny...
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I usually just tune out of political news, but did this shitbag pretty much quit her role as Governor so she could go make a ton of money as a celebrity? That's messed up, yo.
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Hooking up with Fox News and actually delivering a "comedy" monologue on THE TONIGHT SHOW WITH JAY "YEP, I'M A DOUCHE" LENO was only the beginning. It's only a matter of time before she appears on DANCING WITH THE STARS and CELEBRITY APPRENTICE.
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...because Sarah Palin's daughters are whores and have a tendency to get knocked up. Search your feelings, you know this to be true...
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I've asked around, and it's possible that he didn't have a duck on his head at all.
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I don't think anybody would call the joke "taseful", but Lettermen clearly mean to make the joke about the daughter who was famous for being pregnant/of age/a national spokesperson for abstinence. He admitted he didn't know it was the younger daughter present- he was told (or assumed) it was the older one. The joke doesn't even make sense when you apply it to the younger daughter. Palin just wanted some more attention-whore time on her facebook page to slam someone in the media as part of her schtick, so she was willing to take a joke that was clearly about the famous-for-being-pregnant daughter and victimize her own underage daughter for that purpose. Someone willing to do that intentionally really disgusts me far more than someone making a bad joke based on a mistaken assumption on late night TV. Lettermen should never have apologized beyond admitting his mistake with the identity issue.
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... and one of the reasons why is that so many put this woman on a pedestal. She's smart enough to get elected governor of Alaska(though repubs crack me up when they tout Alaska as the Biggest state in the country, like that makes her the best governor) so I won't say she's an idiot(though that says a lot about the voters of Alaska). But Dan Quayle is smarter than this woman, and easily a better politician. Of course, for all the Palintards that think she's the second coming, I think you're gonna wind up with egg on your face. She's not setting herself up to be president. She's running around appearing on everything she can to line her pockets. She's like a member of the Jersey Shore. I can't blame her, if I had a chance to grab a buck, I would too. Of course I have a little more class than to want to stick my whole family on tv for millions to see just for money. And for anyone who may think"yeah, right, you'd do it in a heartbeat", no. I'm not that big a narcissist. I have not interest to be on tv. So I kinda support her doing a reality show as it will pound the nail in the coffin of her political career, even though I still think she just wants the cash. Because if you're gonna be honest, after listening to her slam the entertainment industry and promoting family values, for her to do a reality show just exposes her hypocrisies. Not that her followers seem to mind that. And for God's sake, can we let the letterman thig drop? It was a dumb joke, and it would be obvious to anyone who had an IQ higher than the average Rush Limbaugh fan that he was talking about the slut daughter, not the 14 year old. Still was a dumb joke. I just hope that if she does go to the Oscars, they really slam her, though if she does go it'll give me one more excuse to skip it this year.
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if it was on the playboy channel
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Now that's a reality show I would watch. Every week there's a survivor type contest between virile young blue collar type men. The winner gets to knock off a piece of America's MILF. Ratings gold I tell ya!
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Mar 04, 2010 9:35:07 AM CST
People still pretending to be offended by Letterman's joke
by bass ackwards
Shut the fuck up. It was bad enough hearing people purposely misunderstand the joke and get righteous about it at the time, but to still be doing it months after? Isn't there some new high horse for you to be climbing on by now?
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... if the series finale was Sarah Palin being nailed to a cross with nails made of AIDS. Directed by Mel Gibson.
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Do you 'hate' Obama? Think very hard before answering because there is a wealth of your anti Obama and anti Democrat rants on these boards. Now, having answered whether or not you truly 'hate' Obama and Dems, just turn the question around and see it from the other side. I am not so sure it is 'hatred' of Palin, as much as it is a reaction to the appalling and astounding lack of judgement shown by quite a few folks -yourself included, to actually think that woman is qualified to be President. Forget the politics for a moment. Forget the rhetoric. You can dislike Dems, or Obama. You can say he was not qualified to be President if you want. But to want to elevate a blithering idiot like Palin to the highest office because she looks good and spouts tea bag slogans - that she has written on her palm. To sit back and say she that a woman who implies she has foreign policy experience because she can see russia from her back yard, is more qualified than the man who edited an ivy league law review, well that kinda blows people away that anyone would want to put her into such an office just to spite the other party. The old cutting off your nose to spite your face effect.
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And I do not blame her one bit. That is the Amuriican way. But she quit her governorship - quit it it, to pursue money. And yet, there are still idiots who will support her.
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ridiculing her children? That is low. That is beneath us. Politicians' children should be off limits unless they are 1) adults and 2) willing participants in the political arena, not just dragged along for photo ops. Come on, let's have some decency here or no loving parents will be willing to run for office for fear of what scumbags will say about their children.
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Someone think of the children! P.S. - Palin's whorish daughter with a baby is legally an adult.
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...then they might not parade them on-stage for photo-ops including their daughter's illegitimate baby daddy, or constant stories about a mentally challenged kid to gain sympathy. Where would we be if politicians stopped using their kids as political pawns? Huh? Huh? Huh?
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Mar 04, 2010 10:04:51 AM CST
Ah yes, the Cult-of-Personality Circle is almost complete.
by mr. nice gaius
A Sarah Palin "reality series". That's just great. May the fleas of 1,000 camels infest the armpits of John McCain. For it is he, and he alone, that is responsible for unleashing that pop-political farce upon this country. And the MSM should be ashamed for constantly showcasing her - she has no more to offer than Paris Hilton or the Kardashians. She has become famous for famous' sake.
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...did Playgirl. You know what that means? It means that Palin has seen the nude body of the guy who used to hump her daughter, because you know they all bought that magazine. His only claim to fame is humping Palin's daughter, and he may have said something about them in the accompanying article, so of course they bought it. I wonder if Palin got turned on a little seeing his naked body. Perhaps her nipples got a little hard and beads of moisture formed between her legs. She may have pictured him pushing his erect penis in and out of her daughter's vage and gotten excited a bit.
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Mar 04, 2010 10:15:48 AM CST
It'll be like the Apprentice, except she will be
by iliketopostsometimes
in the Trump role. This is basically how she would select her cabinet members if she were President. I fear for the future.
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they go on about how great abstinence programs are, while being pregnant. They practically get shot-gun wedding engagements, which thank fuck fall apart before the I-Do's get exchanged. That kid saved himself a fortune in grief and legal bills.
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Stop parading them around every time you open your yap.
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This is a Planet Earth type documentary about Alaska that's being pitched, not an Osbournes style reality show. Of course that would require people to actually read before resorting to the usual tired smears. I seriously don't understand the hatred towards the woman. Bush Derangement Syndrome I got. The man was President for 8 years. He sent troops into Afghanistan and Iraq. People died because of decisions he made. But what exactly is the basis for Palin Derangement Syndrome? She doesn't currently hold any elected office and has expressed no interest at this point in pursuing any. She has neither the power nor authority to do anything to negatively impact anyone's life, be it through economic or national security policies. And while she does frequently appear on TV, last time I checked there were about 700 channels available, so it's not like you can't pick up the remote and watch something else. Or better yet just turn the damn TV off. And go out there and direct your vitriol towards the people who actually are leading this nation into economic oblivion.
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I'm sure you're equally disgusted with the Obamas for referencing their daughters when pushing government healthcare or combating childhood obesity. Or parading Sasha and Malia onstage at the Democrat Convention. I guess that makes those two girls fair game.
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If one of Obama's daughters was knocked up by an illegitimate daddy...and they brought the daddy onstage with them at the Democratic convention...I'd say that she and the baby daddy were fair game to all the Republicans who would mention her...and they definitely would mention her.
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...if on top of that....that knocked up presidential daughter started putting herself out there and preaching abstinence in complete hypocrisy of her behavior....she would definitely be fair game. Can't milk the cow and get mad when people drink it. I just made that up.
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No one "forced" her to abandon her job. Politicians are mocked all the time without stepping down in the middle of their first term. Look at all the jokes leveled at McCain, and yet he's still a Senator. Look at how people have treated Obama... calling him a socialist, saying he's not actually American, death threats, bringing guns to rallies... but he hasn't run away from the presidency to host a TV show and gather $100K in speaking fees from groups supposedly pushing "fiscal responsibility".
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Mar 04, 2010 11:01:33 AM CST
taodkiller, I don't HATE Obama and never said I have...
by coughlins laws
I'm against almost all of his policies. I'm also still in shock that this country elected him despite his lack of any relevant experience and not knowing about most of his past. However, I've never said ANYTHING about his daughters or his family. As far as the asshole calling Palin's daughter's whores. First of all, how is getting pregnant from the only guy you've ever been with and dated for two years make you a whore? Also, how can you just yourself call a 14 year old girl a whore while at the same time pretending that Letterman meant to call someone who was 3000 miles away from Yankees Stadium the whore when in reality it was the 14 year old there?
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Well considering alot of reality show are scripted does this mean Palin will need to write the script down on her hand?
I find it funny how Palin always gets so upset when people focus on her personal life and now she's considering a reality show? Hasn't he kids sufffered enough? Their mom is a racist, homophobic media whore who uses her kid with down sindrome for media attention. -
Mar 04, 2010 11:08:00 AM CST
Look, say what you want about Palin. She leaves herelf
by coughlins laws
open for mockery. I personally don't think she's dumb. However, her tendency to not say anything specific in interviews, just cliched talking points, makes it look like she either doesn't know specifics about any topics or she is too much of a politician to say anything specific. Either way, she is not a policy wonk and will never be President. Having said that, I just don't understand why she is a constant punching bag for Liberals. Seriously, why can't you just move on? How is it funny to continuously say that Palin is a dumb slut and her daughters are whores? Explain why this is funny...As far as Obama, I don't say anything about his family. I don't call his daughters whores. I don't say he uses his daughters as props (even though he had them on stage at the DNC in front of 50 million people). I have a problem with what Obama is planning to do to Americans against their will...
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... is that Coughlin is the thickest-skulled TBer on this site. So argue with him only if you have the need to feel like the smartest man on the planet. Back to you Coughlin -- long live phony outrage!
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Mar 04, 2010 11:14:19 AM CST
I'll say one last thing about this. Letterman was clearly
by coughlins laws
talking about the daughter that was at the game with Palin (the 14 year old). The fact that he didn't know this doesn't change the fact he was talking about a 14 year old having sex with a 35 year old in front of 50,000 people in public. The joke is about statuatory rape. Now, even if I assume the excuses you people are making for the 62 year old, creepy, cheating Letterman, then that makes the joke about a 35 year old man fucking an 18 year old in front of 50,000 people and millions at home. Now, just think about that. What if it was your daughter that had just had a child out of wedlock to her 2 year boyfriend. Or it was your sister. Or your cousin. Would you appreciate a 62 year old pervert, that continuously makes sex jokes about you and your family, saying this joke on national television? Would you just laugh it off? Please list for me in the 30 years Letterman's been on the air where he's EVER called another politician's teenage daughter a whore. I'll wait. I really don't understand why you don't expect a mother to not want her daughter's called whores. You really can't think it's funny, can you?
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that Letterman called her a "slutty flight attendant" and called her daughters whores. I don't understand why she didn't just laugh it off...
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well, hate is probably too strong a word to use. more like people are angry at and scared of sarah palin. why? because she accepted the vp spot knowing full well that she could be in charge during 2 wars and an economic crisis and she had no clue how to be president. no clue at all. imagine being on a plane and finding out that the co-pilot has no idea how to fly the plane. you would be pissed at them for not having the decency to turn down the job. on a side note sarah is also a charismatic christian who talks to the devil, speaks in tongues and thinks god speaks to her. which is why so many people were scared of her. put angry and scared together and it probably looks a lot like hate.
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Coughlin, you're using what one guy in a TB says about Palin's children to say all liberals feel that way? Pathetic. Go to a certified liberal activist site like Daily Kos and find me a thread where the Palin daughters are labeled 'whores' or her children are attacked in any form. I go there all the time and never see any attacks on them. Using an AICN Talkback to gauge broad liberal sentiment, or even expecting maturity from Talkbackers, is a fool's game. Some people on this site are just here for a reaction, not to deliver serious political views. Only a fool would assume otherwise. I, as a liberal, have never been cruel with regards to the Palin children. Not like redstate.com, the web's biggest Republican activist blog, where a thread about Sasha and Malia Obama turned so racist that the administrator took it down in shame. Never has that occured on Daily Kos (Red State's direct opposite) with respect to Palin's kids. Quit towing that holier-than-thou indignation that Palin teaches to all her followers.
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Good Lord Cough, you are fucking funny. You always crack me up, I can't quit you. 100 posts please.
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I think what irritates liberals (and other thinking people) about Palin is the whole culture-war ideology that the Republicans have been pushing since the Reagan era - this idea that they (small-town Americans) are the REAL Americans and "liberals" (college-educated people, city folk, people not like these small-town voters) are somehow NOT Americans. That really rubs people like me the wrong way. I'm a well-educated film archivist and when I see this yokel from Alaska (which has a teensy population) telling me that I'm not a "real American" it definitely aggravates. I don't treat anyone the way she treats "liberals" - I see my car mechanic, for example, as a guy who doesn't give a shit about film preservation and has politics that are vastly different from mine as a guy who deserves a seat at the American table just like I do. But Palin and her followers don't feel that way. They think a guy like me - well-educated, city dweller, likes to read and has far-left-leaning politics - as someone who has no right to be here. And every four years a significant portion of middle America lines up to vote for people like Bush, McCain, Palin, etc because they believe these posers will actually make abortion illegal, make gay marriage unconstitutional, prohibit flag-burning, etc. - none of which is going to happen but they still get duped ever election anyway. It's really sad to see.
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...she is a hell of a lot better than this far-left audaciously arrogant wingnut (Obama) that we have in the White House right now. BTW Klytus...liberals may "think" -- but they don't "think for themselves." Dare to be different, my politically challenged friend. Mindless Obama zombies who drink the talking points-flavored Kool-Aid from the far-left and repeat it everywhere they go are...just...sad.
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I don't support Obama and I didn't vote for him.
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people focus on his lack of political knowledge, but that's not the real dangerous thing about him. the problem is that he's professional wrestling. he's playing a part, and milking it for all it's worth. that so many people in America are duped by that is just STAGGERING to me.
I know there's plenty of extreme left wingers who support anyone that is that progressive, and that's fine. but that so many people truly believe that he is anything other than a power-seeking phony, is just downright scary. I mean, some people think that professional wrestling is real. but mostly, they're either retarded, or 10 years old. and they don't vote.
his cool, hip, multicultural schtick is just an affectation he uses to get support. I just don't see why he's STILL AROUND and hasn't been laughed out of the political spectrum by now.
I guess a reconsiliation vote would be the final nail in his political coffin, which would be good, but I just wish he would disappear altogether.
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Mar 04, 2010 11:51:20 AM CST
Palin annoys libs for being a successful non-lib woman
by darth_inedible
Klytus I'm pretty sure that's the actual reason the lib-intelligencia hates her guts... For providing a living example that you don't have to be a frothing, nut-squashing Yale educated leftist battleaxe like Hillary to be successful woman. It's a frightening concept for a generation raised to believe that big-P Progressivism is the only way forward in this awful,horrible, racist, sexist country. Now the average Kos rage-drone you'd find spilling over onto this site just hates her guts because they hate themselves and want to blame someone. For them Palin is just the official SNL approved MSM Goldstein the of the week.
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that thinks it's funny to call Palin's kids whores. Go to TMZ. Go to dailykos comments sections when this came out. Go to The Huffington Post comments sections about this story when it came out last summer. You're either lying or ignorant if you didn't see all the comments calling the Palin's whores. They also like to cheer when conservatives die (look how the boards celebrated when Tony Snow died) and regularly wish for the death of Dick Cheney whenever he has a heart attack. I'm not just basing on this. I'm basing it on hundreds, if not thousands of posts written by liberals on liberal websites all accross the internet who laughed at the jokes, said that Palin was displaying FAKE OUTRAGE, and said that Letterman was right. Are you seriously going to try to make the point that Palin and her family HAVEN'T been the most attacked political family in modern history? Liberals regularly personally attack her and her family in a way that has never been seen before. Don't get upset just because I point it out...
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I usually just tune out of political news, but did shitbag Al Gore pretty much quit seeking presidential election role so he could go make a ton of money as a celebrity? That's messed up, yo.
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Mar 04, 2010 11:57:02 AM CST
Ah yes, the Cult-of-Personality Circle is almost complete.
by immortal_fish
An Al Gore "Nobel Peace Prize". That's just great. May the fleas of 1,000 camels infest the armpits of Bill Clinton. For it is he, and he alone, that is responsible for unleashing that pop-political farce upon this country. And the MSM should be ashamed for constantly showcasing him - he has no more to offer than the University of East Anglia. He has become famous for famous' sake.
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No offense, but it is obvious to anyone who has normal cerebral functioning that Letterman was joking about the 17 year old. You know, he made PREGNANCY joke about the one who was PREGNANT? You are purposely being ignorant and are showing false outrage. Two annoying behaviors that you and Palin share. Also nothing anyone can say will change the fact that during the whole manufactured Family Guy "outrage" the woman who voiced the disabled character in the episode handed Palin her ass with her response. Absolutely priceless.
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people focus on his lack of general knowledge, but that's not the real dangerous thing about him. the problem is that he's professional wrestling. he's playing a part, and milking it for all it's worth. that so many people in America are duped by that is just STAGGERING to me.
I know there's plenty of extreme lright wingers who support anyone that is that disgustingly stupid, and that's fine. but that so many people truly believe that he is anything other than a lazy copy&paste phony, is just downright scary. I mean, some people think that professional wrestling is real. but mostly, they're either retarded, or 10 years old. and they don't vote.
his naive, smug, douchebagy schtick is just an affectation he uses to get support. I just don't see why he's STILL AROUND and hasn't been laughed out of the ptalkback spectrum by now.
I guess him waking up would be the final nail in his TB coffin, which would be good, but I just wish he would disappear altogether.
he's making rightwingnuts look worse than ccchhhrrriiisssm did, for christ's sake.
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That 'Tripp' Palin is a kid they bought to save face when they found out Bristol was having a 'retarded baby'. But then Bristol decided she wanted to keep the 'retarded baby', and they were already stuck with their stand-in, so Sarah pretended to be pregnant for a while to explain the extra baby.
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the point is this..if you dont want your family to be the butt of national jokes dont put them in the spotlight...and sure as shit dont put them on a reality show...now letterman et al can lob insults about them on a weekly basis...her hypocrisy and mock pious outrage is frightening.
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The culture war started in the late '50s dude. By the time the '80s rolled around the non-urban elite of this country had endured almost 30 years of being told how stupid and backwards they were. It's kind of amazing that the tender butts are still smarting from the tiny bit of cultural push-back that happened in the '80s.
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Mar 04, 2010 12:17:56 PM CST
Comically infantile as to what passes for intelligence in these
by sauronthepowerful
What attempts to pass for intellectual thought on these boards outside the domain for which his site represents lately is a laugheable farce. What absolutely surprises me here is that Herc apparently isn't informed enough to differentiate between liberal reality and reality at large. Letterman attempted to take a cheap shot using his domain of expertise with an audience stacked of his supporters in this medium. When said joke blew up in his face he did what every snivelling politician, talking head, and pseudo-AICN political commentator does: feigned mock indignition that they should be called out and held accountable for their unreserached, biased, and/or hateful diatribical nonsense. Palin had a right to legitimate indignition because at best case scenario he was joking about an underage preganancy and in ACTUALITY he was laughing about underage, statuatory rape for his audience's amusement. Palin had every right to be upset. But to the infantile liberal mindset, this was the expected, republican overreaction to someone's idea of a cheap and not very funny joke. However, when the wunderkind in the White House's daughters were mentioned weeks later in an ad advocating better choices for public school lunch programs, the "Golden Messiah" blew up behind the scenes because 'hey we can use Sarah Palin's daughters as political cannon-fodder in a rape context, but my LIBERAL daughters are absolutely off-limits even in the context of a serious issue designed to CHANGE (wonderful little word that I seem to remember hearing ad nauseum throughout 2008) for the better the state of our children's school lunch programs. So Letterman is praised as a hero for advocating rape and Obama is praised as a hero by the same liberal collective for insisting that his children cannot be named in an attempt to enact the very change that he so eloquently campaigned for at the local level. The liberal infancy syndrome never ceases to amaze. Stick to the summer blockbusters guys because your stunted understatnding of all things political is entertaining the rest of us who aren't readily Svengalied by the cult of personality currently paving the road to ruin.....
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Try to imagine for a second if the Democrats nominated beauty pageant bimbo for Vice-President that knew nothing about the world, or even how her own government worked, wasn't a 'reader' (lol). And this person's only real qualifications for the 2nd most important post in the world was that she was pretty and could spout folksy colloquialisms. Now imagine how the Republican party would react to that. I mean, we're just coming from having literally the dumbest president in the history of the country and *barely* escaped with a shattered economy and 2 simultaneous Vietnams going on. That man took the US from being the most respected country in the world to the most mocked in 8 years. And this chick isn't even *half* as educated or experienced as he was. Personally, I'd hate to see the world in ruin just to say 'I told you so' to your insane political faction, but I think they only way for you guys to realize the error of your anti-intellectual views is to see what happens when a really, really dumb person is at the wheel. So for that reason, I hope she does get elected President, so that the world that grows out of the ruin she leaves behind will know to never make such mistakes again.
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that a country at war, with a poorly-functioning health-care system and with a phenomenal amount of wealth which never reaches the majority of its populace could focus on something like what a late-night comedian said about a politician's daughter. Really amazing.
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Hey, guys, how are these same arguments with these same dittohead numbskulls working out? Have any of them said anything yet that even remotely resembles a flickering of logic or reason? No? Well I'm sure the next wingnut TB will be different.
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Thanks for the update. However, I was disappointed with your unspoken assessment that Republicans aren't "college educated." Most Republicans that I know are college educated. Yes, I suppose that it might be easy for some to embrace a stereotype that southerners are "uneducated" (although this isn't accurate) and trend toward Conservative politicians. However, weak minded individuals could say the same thing about less-educated inner city voters trending toward welfare-giving candidates. Is it a fair assessment, then, to say that liberals are "thinkers" or "highly educated?" Remember, only 17% of the country identify themselves as "liberal" versus 42% that identify themselves as "conservative." If only half of the conservative group are educated, they still outnumber liberals in terms of shear number. I think that many blatant ideologues are attempting to do to Sarah Palin as they did to President Bush. They are painting her as a fanatic, uneducated hick...when she is actually more intelligent than many will give her credit. Despite what lesser-minds tried to insist and spread, President Bush was educated at two liberal institutions: Yale and Harvard (and even graduated with high honors from Harvard for his MBA). While Bush might not have been the most intelligent man in America, he was certainly smarter than most. Dr. Condi Rice stated that this was one of the tragedies of the last three years of Bush's second terms. She stated that Bush was far more intelligent, considerate and contemplative than the "unintelligent" brush that liberals painted him with. "Yet," she said, "they continued to portray him as such in the media in an effort to discredit him personally." There is a strong argument that the economic woes of late 2007 through 2008 were actually attributed to the budget passed by the Democrat-controlled Congress. The entire banking and housing fiasco was due to legislation introduced by Barney Frank and Christopher Dodd -- and even received the "yea" vote from freshman Senator Obama. By early 2008, the bubble burst. It is easy for some to complain about Bush's handling of the economy and continue to overlook that the United States enjoyed record employment and record low inflation during five of Bush's years in office -- even in the face of the post 9/11 stock market plunge. The economy grew during his presidency. We are now into the second year of the Obama Administration, and unemployment has jumped to record highs. When Obama took office, unemployment had climbed and settled at 5.2% -- about what it was during the first quarter of Bush's presidency. Obama promised that it would not go much higher because of his budget-busting "economic stimulus" that he was throwing at certain economic sectors. Yet, his plan didn't pan out. Unemployment is currently around 10% -- while Obama boasts about how many jobs that he has "saved or created" (the first president to audaciously claim that he "saved" jobs). Now, Obama is pushing forward with a complete overhaul of the health care system of the United States. Even he admits that his plan will cost approximately $2 Trillion (conservatively...and if the poor do not overuse the system)...and only extend coverage from the current 85% to 93% of Americans. It isn't "free" to anyone except those who already are able to use Medicare or Medicaid. Rather, it is a law that REQUIRES individuals to PAY for government-approved health insurance (or be assessed a hefty fine and possible jail time). Ironically, if a middle class American can't afford insurance now...what makes Obama sure that they can afford a $10,000 per year insurance plan simply because Obama mandates it? How would they be able to afford a $4500 fine? Most middle class Americans can't even save $100 a month right now -- let alone pay $10,000-15,000 per year in insurance. Yet, they will be required to buy it...simply for being alive and earning a household income above $45K per year. Yeah, is this one of those qualities of "thinking" people? Unfortunately, Obama can't see the writing on the wall. Recently polling data shows that 60-70% of Americans oppose "Obamacare" and want Congress to start afresh with health care overhaul. Yet Obama doesn't care at all. After promising that he wouldn't do it, he now threatens to use the "nuclear option" of taking pieces of the House bill and Senate bill to create a new bill in order to get 51 votes in the Senate. So much for "democracy!" Isn't like a liberal ideologue to push his agenda -- even if it is NOT what Americans want? Thinking? Nah.
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It's amazing that a country at war, with a poorly-functioning health-care system and with a phenomenal amount of wealth which never reaches the majority of its populace could focus on something like what a late-night comedian said about a politician's daughter. Really amazing.
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...I am embarrassed of what President Obama is doing to this nation.
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If people worked and educated themselves, they wouldn't be so "poor." Of course, the "poor" in the United States are better off than the Middle Class sector of most nations. Are you actually in favor of "spreading the wealth" from those who work hard to achieve what they earn...and giving it to those who refuse to do the same? That, my friend, is a form of Marxist socialism.
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Mar 04, 2010 12:37:06 PM CST
When you regurgitate Olbermann and Maher instead of American His
by sauronthepowerful
Colloquialisms such as "literally the dumbest president in US History" or "two silmultaneous vietnams going on." Amazing how the Huffington post has enabled the liberal collective to conveniently forget how Andrew Jackson MASSACRED a battalion of British troops TWO WEEKS after peace was declared in the War of 1812 (Guess Sean Penn and Bill Maher forgot to mention that one when they were teaching your college history courses) Or we can go back to Jackson in a clear defiance of the Separation of Covernment powers in our Tricameral system, ignoring the Supreme Court decision prohibiting the relocation of Native Americans and instead forcing the deaths of thousands of native Cherokee through this mandatory relocation. So before we spout about subjects we have less than a grade schoolers insight and knowledge of, let's try not to disrespect the committments of our veterans from the vietnam conflict (was never an officially declared war, thank you Lyndon Johnson) with factually immature and incorrect parallels being serviced by one more liberal 'colloquiallism.'
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"When Obama took office, unemployment had climbed and settled at 5.2%". Try 8.5%, when Obama took office in *January*. The Unemployment rate grew 3% points in the last 3 months that Bush officially held the office. And as far as your arguments about Liberals not being the 'educated' party...you might want to consult your own party on that, because a huge portion of your members equate a good education with being a fancy European homo. One only has to listen to Rush Limbaugh, Glen Beck, Bill O'Rielly and even Palin herself to discern this, as they constantly equate education with 'elitism' and treat it as an insult. The funniest thing is, your party's own leaders don't actually believe the bill of goods they're selling you, they just know how to push the buttons of 'salt of the earth' folk to get themselves votes. Personally, I wouldn't go bragging about your 'education' to too many of your fellow republicans, because you're liable to just get branded an elitist fag. Not to mention your also supporting political leaders who in all likelihood refer to you as a 'nigger' when they're in safe company.
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don't bother
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"they just know how to push the buttons of 'salt of the earth' folk....." Translated means all of the 'uneducated' who have chosen to live their lives and support their family with the labor of their hands as opposed to the regurgitation of liberal talking points spoken by the likes of Penn, Olbermann, Maher, Behar, Brazielle, Stewart et al with absolutely no historical context to frame their already weak arguements. Those who have chosen a rural or blue collar life are no more unintelligent or uneducated than the pundits (both left and right) that supply the pseudo political philosophers around these parts with their incorrect factual mechanisms to keep ranting at the mouth. As if the salt of the earth were too stupid to think for themselves and need to be led liberal tripe like some sort of unthinking larvae that contributes one vote at a time. I'm sure all liberals would like to believe this, but, like global warming, can't quite reconcile it with the facts (unless your emails get intercepted that is).....
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However political parties may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reins of government, destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion.
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Ummm...I am using the stats from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Yes, I agree that the unemployment rate went up during the last year of Bush's second term. However, I believe that the fault lay at least primarily at the feet of the legislation passed by the Democrat-controlled Congress in early 2007. BTW, I never said that liberals weren't educated. However, I was arguing against the myth that liberals are educated and conservatives are not. That is just a bit of propaganda that liberals appear intent upon comforting one another with. You see, your idiotic accusation about seeing educated individuals as a "European homo" is just plain ridiculous and entirely deceptive. You mentioned Bill O'Reilly, a conservative, who was educated at Marist College, Boston University, the University of London and Harvard University. As for "my" party's leadership -- I find them far less racist than the liberal ideologues who lead the Democratic Party. By their political policies, they don't seem to believe that minority Americans can actually make it on their own...without their welfare bones that they throw in exchange for minority votes. I have NEVER been called a "nigger" except by some idiot director of a Hollywood movie. In fact, the leadership of "my" party asked me to run for local office...which I declined while finishing my graduate education. However, liberals in "safe company" tend to promote abortion...theorizing that minorities are such a drain on society (and will be in the future) that it is important to promote abortion in the minority community. In other words, it is better to kill them while they are young and pre-born than to continue funding welfare bones in exchange for their votes. Friend, I think that you need to be wary about which propaganda-flavored Kool-Aid that you drink. It seems like it is causing one of those typical liberal political hallucinations...in which you "see" Conservatives and Republicans as racist, hate-mongering, rich white men. This "vision" is not grounded by reality.
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If you were half as smart as you think you are, you'd realize that a capitalist economic model basically ensures that a certain portion of the populace to be poor. You can't get more of the pie without someone else getting less of the pie. Education and motivation don't stop the smallest piece of the pie from being distributed, it only stops you from being the one stuck with it. But the system itself guaruntees that someone does get stuck with it. Obviously, it's the best system we have to work with so scrapping it is not the answer, but if we're all agreeing to be a part of an economic system that requires some of us to be dirt poor, we should take responsibility in doing what we can to support them. More to the point, if you happen to call yourself a Christian, you're a dirty fucking hypocrite, because 'fuck the poor, they should work harder' is not the philosphy of that particular religion. If you believe in Christ, and if your republican you probably do, or more to the point pretend to do, surely you must realize that your beliefs are incompatible with that of your religion?
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Mar 04, 2010 1:08:42 PM CST
Palin is in it for the money, she's not running for prez
by gimpinmypants
She was making 150k a year in her governor gig. She made that much talking for one hour to idiots at a convention. Why the fuck would she waste her time in politics when the money is in show business? You think Limbaugh, O'Reilly, or Beck will ever run for office? Nope. They make a shitload of money and have more free time doing their TV shows and writing their books.
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Thanks for sharing your leftist propaganda! It is always fabulously entertaining to hear those sweet nothings that liberals whisper in one another's ears.
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You are not just wrong, you are attempting to change history with your made up 'facts'.
Unemployment when Bush left office was 7.6% not 5.2.
Yale was not a liberal institution when GWB graduated. Nor is it one now - certainly not on par with Harvard. In fact his own Father graduated in 48 from Yale - do you think the first Bush would have sent his son to a liberal college? Even more, Women were not admitted to Yale College until 1969! They had been allowed in the graduate school though since the late 1800's but only at graduate level programs. Does that sound like a liberal college? As for blaming housing and bank crisis on Barney Frank Chris Dodd - that canard has been disproved so many times it defies logic you would still bring it up. Paul Krugman himself blasted that one out of the water. The real culprits were predatory lending practices (wall street) Banking de-regulation (uh do I hear Reaganism? Yes, yes I do), and far too easy credit and no i am not just talking about subprime borrowers. I am talking about middle to upper class speculators who bought second or third houses and hoped to flip them. Or, borrowers who bought houses they could never afford but hoped that the increasing value would allow them to sell before their ARMs kicked in. That was totally a middle to upper class phenomenon. But even that does not account for the huge bubble burst. The biggest baddie of them all - wall street and Credit Default Swaps. -
They don't care about this country. All they care about is ratings and as long as spreading hate and lies equals ratings they will keep doing it. And the fools who blindly follow them deserve what they get. "Fool me once... Don't get fooled again!"
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Well said
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Do you REALLY believe that? I hope that you are just being sarcastic! Otherwise...holy shit! Capitalism is a FREE market that doesn't rely on the amount of poor, middle class or rich. However, it THRIVES when more people actually have more money to spend! By its very nature, capitalism doesn't "guarantee" that anyone suffers or remains on the low end of the totem pole. It is a FREE market. It allows the individual to make an effort to remove himself/herself from poverty by a little hard work and ingenuity. BTW, don't lecture me on religion, you stupid repressive fucker. I believe in God and Christ even if I am not a follower. However, I'm not going to let some idiot who supports a party that repressively mocks deities tell me how much of a "hypocrite" that I am. If you really believe your own propaganda, you truly are living in a "la la" land. I have NEVER said to go and "fuck the poor" (you fucking liar). However, I don't want to see the poor stay poor either. I grew up in the government projects...and am still struggling financially. You have NO IDEA how STUPID you sound! Maybe this is why less and less people consider themselves "liberal?" They repeat NONSENSE like this...and try to present it as "fact" -- and the majority of Americans realize how unrealistic and downright dishonest it is.
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and partly responsible for the financial crisis due to his misplaced trust in Randian free market ideology.
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"liberals in "safe company" tend to promote abortion...theorizing that minorities are such a drain on society (and will be in the future) that it is important to promote abortion in the minority community. In other words, it is better to kill them while they are young and pre-born than to continue funding welfare bones in exchange for their votes. "
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Both sides included, RNC and DNC. Remove the labels and let the candidates have to rely on their grasp of the issues and their actual record to speak for them, rather than letting their party affiliation do all the talking. Frankly, I don't think there is a way to fix the American political system, without half the population killing off the other half. Luckily, mother nature and Big Pharm are taking care of that in small doses every day. No wonder right wingers are against birth control, they need all the reinforcements they can get before the Boomers finally give up the ghost. -
One can't help but notice that rather than address any of the things I brought up, you instead deflected with a thought terminating cliche. Obviously then as I suspected, deep down you DO realize that the Republican Party's beliefs are incompatible with the religion they so fervently cling to.
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And damn if Aykroyd was unrecognizable
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Liberals say anything like that, considering you are an avowed conservative, why would any liberal think you are 'safe' company? Oh yeah, you made that up - once again. Hey, conservative are against abortion because they want more rural whites to start having more babies because they are afraid that the Latinos and other minorities will soon outnumber whites in America. Yeah, i just made that up. But it is the exact same thing you did.
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What can I say? I am using the stats from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Still, 7.2 is lower than the stat provided by the liberal asshole earlier. Regardless, my point is that the nation enjoyed record employment and record low inflation during most of Bush's two terms...in spite of the 9/11 stock market crash. You keep saying that Barney Frank and Chris Dodd didn't have anything to do with the bank crisis...and that this is "proven." Oddly enough, even Barney Frank and Christopher Dodd have ADMITTED that they "made mistakes" with the legislation...and how it was implemented. Regardless, the Democratic Party was the party in Congressional power that created the environment that forced banks to give risky housing and small business loans. Bush signed it into law...so he is at fault too (for not aggressively fighting it). I am amazed that liberals continue to comfort one another with deceptive words of encouragement. Luckily, the nation's voters aren't as dumb as liberals would like to believe. They will continue losing elections. Americans are tired of being told half-truths (or non-truths) by liberals. This was reflected in elections in New Jersey, Massachusetts, Virginia and Texas. In November, even the most bright liberal pollsters admit that the Democrats are losing big time in the mid-term elections. If Obama forces his terrible health care legislation upon this nation -- mark my words -- the Democrats will lose any semblance of a majority in both houses of Congress.
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...so that toadkillerdog and smackfu can continue fucking one another in the ass...and dreaming of Obama taking turns on them. I would suggest that you look for sores in your ass and mouth, though. Peace out...and have a lovely day in the liberal Matrix.
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Just wondering if you could directly answer this, and by that I mean actually address it, rather than deflect and avoid it. I suspect you won't. As a black republican, who feels that the poor are somewhat of a drag on our society, how do you feel about the fact that unemployment is 6% higher for black people than white people in the US? Just curious about why you think the unemployment rate is so much higher for black men? I know it seems like I'm baiting you, but all arguments aside I'd honestly like to know your thoughts on the subject.
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Sarah Palin is living proof that Americans are indeed as dumb as liberals think they are.
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Mar 04, 2010 1:32:47 PM CST
Aww, poor wittle jism can't take someone disagreeing wif him
by toadkillerdog
Bitch.
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...but yeah, I wouldn't have a problem with Chaney dying. As a former soldier with friends in the military, I think both Bush and Chaney should be tried for murder in the deaths of all the soldiers who were killed fighting a phoney war in Iraq. For the record, I supported Bush at first when he went to Afghanistan, but I had more left leaning friends who said, watch, he'll go to Iraq now and get revenge for his daddy. I said hell no. He made a fool out of me and all the rest of us. We had a balanced budget and he gave it away. They only thing I like about the man is he had the decency to get out of the limelight when he left the presidency.
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Not saying anything wrong with that, but Michelle Obama has a bigger cock than Lady Gaga and Jamie Lee Curtis combined. Oh, and she's uglier than my sweaty nutsack after shaving only one side
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for anything other than leveling accusations of homosexuality at people who disagree with you. Which is definitely the sign of an educated man, and not at all something that 12 year old boys resort to on the playground.
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You guys actually believe that? Every single thing he's said on AICN is at least factually incorrect, if not an outright lie.
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there is no way you are a formal soldier, unless you mean in the Official San Francisco Fag Brigade. P.S. Balanced budget in the 90's was due to Republican congress and contract with America, they submit the budget, dipshit. You know nothing about how the country is run, you ignorant cunt
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'leaving' means 'logging of and then back on as MichelleObama_isadude'. Busted dude, very transparent, and you're about as black has Harry is.
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Just about par for the Kos lib set who's political knowledge barely dips into the Clinton era.
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His inane arguments. He also has a long history of simply making up whole cloth, his arguments, or exaggerating facts, and hoping no one calls him on his BS. That Liberal "safe company" crap was just the latest bullshit.
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I am not a liberal. I am an independent. Registered. "Toadkiller" huh?
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Sarah Palin is the best person we have in American politics today. She's smart, down to Earth, and had common sense (something sorely lacking in the current administration). If anyone today has what it takes to be the next Reagan and save this nation, it is her. But why on Earth would she do a reality show?? I see no benefit to it at all. This is a bad idea. I love you, Sarah, and would adore seeing you in the Senate or the White House...but I don't want to see you on network TV becoming the next Ozzy Osbourne.
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Regarding posts Mar 4th, 2010
10:04:51 AM and Mar 4th, 2010
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Smart? Really?
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Been a while
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Could it be??? Inquiring minds want to know!!!
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Indeed, it has been awhile. Good to see you, ebonic, and smackfu holding your collective ground.How are things over at the new site?
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I come back here to visit every so often, and what do I find? Chrism is still a Tongue Cleaner.
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Honestly. I'm a big fan of Jersey Shore and Real Housewives so this plays right into my demo.
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to bring back all my old buddies. I love you all!
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Todd: "So ... you're married."
Sarah: "Yeah. To you. Are you retarded?"
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It's really unfortunate that American politics have gotten to the point where each side can't embrace any part of the other's position. I'm very far on the left and I can still understand the need for conservatives to help us pull back on our pie-in-the-sky initiatives. We could really work well together. It's a shame that there's so much manufactured animosity on both sides.
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I really hope you come back bro because I am in the right mood to absolutely destroy and discredit your views by putting them in direct odds with your ego. If you're intrigued, I just need you to answer a couple of questions. Thanks.
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Yeah, I know the feeling. Every time I check AICN and see a new story about Conan/Leno/Letterman and/or Palin, I know Father Coughlins will be making an appearance with his tongue a' dragging.
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And every time I see your handle, I can not help but picture Ornella Muti strapped to the table legs spread, while Ming says "Bring me the bore worms"
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I'll stop right there
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I'll stop right there
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*actually* being who you say you are, a 'black republican from the projects'. Which you most likely aren't. What you most likely ARE, is the forum troll bullshit artist we all know you to be.
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What is this talkback coming to?
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You know, he would've been Malaysian, if a Malaysian became President.
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I'm pretty sure that's ccchhhrrriiisssm. In fact, the more I think about the possibility of this, the funnier it gets.
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THAT'S why Sarah Palin was so defensive about the whole thing!
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Mar 04, 2010 2:44:29 PM CST
True BSB. Oldest trick in book pretend to be something you hate
by toadkillerdog
So that when you denigrate that group, you can say, 'hey I am one of them, so I can't be a racist!'
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Sometimes I pass meself off as a Rep to drive a point home. But don't tell anybody. Shhhhhh...
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Mar 04, 2010 2:49:12 PM CST
I thought you just passed yourself off as Jewish and Iranian
by toadkillerdog
Now you are a Rep too? A rep of what? What are you repping?
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You are actually Coughlins Laws arent you? I mean you act stupid when you are CL to undermine the repub party! That is brilliant BSB!
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and I own a bunch of non-kosher restaurants. I AM Coughlins Law!
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Can we open the show with PAlin running for her life across the Alaskan wilderness, while dumbass hicks take pot shots at her with semiautomatic weapons? Just so she sees the other side of the coin, evil bitch.
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You know there is some religious group out there wanting to stone Tilly because Scriptures said so.
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Well at least you do not log in with multiple handles and hold conversations with yourself.
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I'm sorry to say ...
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I'll bet orca tastes like chicken. Chicken of the sea that is.
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Just letting it all hang out today. Are you Kobe?
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But I did have convos with my Arab and Jewish cousins. I think their names were ChaimBenSexyBack and MullahSexyBack. I think ...
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Who'da thunk it! I was totally bamboozled.
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is akin to me saying "I'm a young Republican, and I can tell you that I constantly hear other Republicans making racist comments about Jews and Blacks" It's a way of trying to lend your statements credibility that they otherwise wouldn't have.
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Mar 04, 2010 3:18:31 PM CST
Speaking of bags, fess up you are titbag too, arent you?
by toadkillerdog
Purge yourself of the demons BSB!
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But I AM a big fan of his. He was funny as fuck and handled the caps with aplomb.
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Mar 04, 2010 3:22:51 PM CST
Well, we shall agree to disagree with his being 'funny'
by toadkillerdog
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She is a comedy goldmine. The ironic thing is, if she would just keep her mouth shut no one would be able to make fun of her. But she just insists on consistently thrusting herself into the limelight and making an ass of herself. She's this generations Dan Quayle. Cameras on her 24/7 will mean she'll only let her guard down further, no doubt she will outdo herself week after week.
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Yes, she will have to say something interesting in order to maintain ratings, but reality shows are no really all that real. her biggest areas of concern are on policy. If she avoids talking policy and just gets folksy, and has an occasional bitch slap with Bristol, then she will be fine.
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It's the people who still think she would make a great President who scare me.
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Mar 04, 2010 3:43:44 PM CST
Coughlin is now citing TMZ message boards as evidence?
by american mythos
My god, how pathetic can you get? Have you been to the TMZ message boards? The same ones people litter with anti-Harvey Levin posts calling him a homo whenever there's a gay celebrity story. Or how about the posters on there who flat out say gays should die. Does that mean you and your fellow GOPers think that way too? I could easily have cited YouTube message boards, filled with the worst racism on the internet, as a template for how all Republicans think, but I'm not into the broad-brush bullshit that desperate idiots grasping at straws like you are. And remember, I said find me a Daily Kos post or a post from an established liberal activist website where Palin's children are called whores. I didn't say make one up. Show me a link. Facts, facts, facts, my friend. Good god, citing a TMZ message board as proof of your argument? That takes balls, or at least a complete lack of self respect.
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Mar 04, 2010 3:56:05 PM CST
The problem with arguing about why this woman is dumb
by dapper swindler
Is that no one can make a better case for Sarah Palin's stupidity better than Sarah Palin. I couldn't possibly articulate what is wrong with this woman better than 10 seconds of herself speaking. I would just point at her speaking and say "look! look! don't you see?!" The problem is that if it's not immediately obvious to you the moment she began talking that she is dumb then no amount of arguing is ever going to convince you. Her fans will never be convinced. Ever.
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You have demonstrated just how RETARDED your opinions truly are (with all due respect to Sarah Palin's baby). It is astonishing that your parents were allowed to breed. I guess that would not have been allowed under communism, so maybe you are onto something there. Keep bending further over, smack. You seem to enjoy Obama to ram it in deep. But, again, check for sores, my socialistic ideologue friend. If you feel it burn, you have truly been Obamatized. :-) BTW, we don't need to look any further than this message board to see the REAL racism of America. Liberals can't stand it when a man or woman of color opens his/her eyes and realizes that he/she has been screwed over by liberalism in "moderate" clothing. Barack Obama is just Barney Frank on steroids, wearing a nice suit and without that Bostonian accent.
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...and, yes, YOU are an ignorant racist. You stereotype anyone who disagrees with you by pulling a race card out of your ass. When a black man argues with you, you pull it out...and put it back in...and pull it out. How...witty. Hey, I think that Keith Olberman and Nancy Pelosi are calling your name. They are happy with your effort...and would like for you to spread more of their propaganda.
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Well stated.
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I think you know where I was going with that. Much of this back and forth is such transparent BS that applies to both sides. Your post offered great fodder to illustrate precisely that. Honestly, I hadn't realized I'd copied a recognizable TB handle until I saw your reply.BTW, how would you write that in Chinese?
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He is a comedy goldmine. The ironic thing is, if he would just keep his mouth shut no one would be able to make fun of him. But he just insists on consistently thrusting himself into the limelight and making an ass of himself. Joe Biden is this generations Joe Biden. Cameras on him 24/7 will mean he'll only let his guard down further, no doubt he will outdo himself week after week.
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Is that no one can make a better case for Joe Biden's stupidity better than Joe Biden. I couldn't possibly articulate what is wrong with this man better than 10 seconds of himself speaking. I would just point at him speaking and say "look! look! don't you see?!" The problem is that if it's not immediately obvious to you the moment he began talking that he is dumb then no amount of arguing is ever going to convince you. His fans will never be convinced. Ever.
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Democratic Majority Leader and Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, November 2008: "We're going to drain the swamp and make this the most ethically sound Congress in history....."
March 2009: Charley Rangel chairman who wrote our current tax code and just so happened to forget to file his tax returns-almost gone. Chris Dodd, Chairman of the Senate Banking Oversight Committee-GONE. And yes, he and Barney Frank played a serious hand in the economic colapse of 08 despite the liberals pitiful attempts to claim that this has been disproven countless times. Disproven by a biased media and somebody named Bill Maher perhaps. Sen Evan Bayeh, liberal moderator to the right-GONE. Sen Ted Kennedy-GONE and replaced by a Republican in the most liberal of states in the union. Sen Harry Reid-almost gone despite the "light-skinned" brouhaha. Gov. David Paterson-gov of NY embattled and expected to be gone very soon. Granted that last one had no affiliation with Congress but even the dumbest of liberals can see the pattern that has shaped up over the past 16 months. You can whisper your sweet nothings of enlightenment and the unfairness of the uneducated capitalists but the average american is speaking every chance they can at the polls right now and they're telling you that you can expect to lose and lose VERY big this fall. -
Guess my calculations are right on with the democratic party.
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Why don't you make yourself useful and download the (500) Days of Summer score and show some Zooey love?
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He's a traitor of the highest order. So sayeth the tweets. Anyways, it's true that New York is undergoing a long needed purge of corrupt pols. Good on us. But if you think Reps will be sweeping elections come November, you ain't been reading the polls and you don't know Nueva York.
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Surely you're not suggesting the Republicans are above scrutiny. Are you?
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Tell us something we don't know. Like, what magicks does Zooey possess to put us under her spell. You know, useful information.
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I'd watch that (maybe)
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It will seal the door shut on any possibility of running again. Has any celebrety had an "Illiterate-Television" show and not come off as a freak-show? The GOP wouldn't want anything to do with her, well even more than now.
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...I most certainly am a veteran, fucker. Not much really pisses me of(iI usually stand back bemused) but do not even think about questioning my service. For the record, I was a field artillery surveyor in the fuckin USARMY, not that I have to justify myself to you. Hate to tell you this, but not all military men are right wingers. I'm an independent, but being former military, even if I didn't agree with whoever the current president may be, I always supported him. Until Bush.
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he's been around for a while, and I can promise you, he is NOT a black republican. I don't even think he's a republican, he just likes to push buttons and be disagreeable.
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they're not pitching anything. if they were, it'd be sold before they can get the letter "p" out. everyone would watch this. I would download this using my 3rd world country internet connection and watch it on my 3rd world country computer (at least the first episode; I imagine I'd lose interest fast like with any other reality show). I don't know what they're doing by releasing this crap, but "pitching" is not it.
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I remember the good old days - you know, a couple of years ago - when the right-wingers were the self-proclaimed patriots, the champions of our troops. Now, they call you fags and want to cut your funding. Ah, how fickle Republicans are.
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...Palin will put her kids to bed, and then she will make her way to her bedroom where her ski bum husband is waiting with the lube on the nightstand, the lights dim, and Shania Twain playing softly on the stereo. Then he will plunge his meaty saber into her bush with the ravenous hunger of a wildabeast, relishing the opportunity to steal all the power she wears during the day, as he makes her squeak like a deflating balloon. Then Todd will sleep like a King having dethroned the Queen. The next morning, she will put on her Diva pants...and Todd will patiently await for bedtime where he can once again usurp her power.
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until she starts talking.
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Republicans like a politician who stands up for what he believes -- even if he believes the Republican Party is populated by a bunch of "knuckle-dragging Neanderthals."
The candidate leading the Florida GOP primary to determine who will take on Rep. Alan Grayson, the Democrat who represents the Orlando-based district, is none other than Grayson himself, according to a poll paid for by his campaign. Grayson is a freshman congressman who has drawn scorn from the GOP and has quickly built a nationwide following of progressives.
The poll has Grayson leading the 13 Republicans -- among Republicans -- with 27.8 percent of the vote. The congressman who mocked the GOP health care plan by saying that it amounts to telling people not to get sick and if they do, to die quickly, received more support than all of the Republican candidates combined.
No GOP candidate scored above 3.7 percent; 57.7 percent said they were undecided. Grayson did particularly well with women, undercutting the notion that referring to a Washington lobbyist as a "K Street whore" would turn female voters away. (Grayson later apologized for the word choice.)
The poll was conducted on Feb. 26th. There were 324 respondents, all registered Republicans in Florida's eighth district. The poll was conducted by Middleton Market Research.
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Eighty votes an election does not make. Typical liberal spin to trot out a poll of 324 constituents out of tens of thousands and declare that 80 votes will determine the fate of an entire nation. How about these calculations New Jersey, Virginia, and now Massachusetts, all campaigned by Obama himself and all lost to upstart Republicans despite the suavest attempts at oratorical spin on the campaign trail. Like I said, be prepared to lose and to lose BIG this fall.
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Eighty votes an election does not make. Typical liberal spin to trot out a poll of 324 constituents out of tens of thousands and declare that 80 votes will determine the fate of an entire nation. How about these calculations New Jersey, Virginia, and now Massachusetts, all campaigned by Obama himself and all lost to upstart Republicans despite the suavest attempts at oratorical spin on the campaign trail. Like I said, be prepared to lose and to lose BIG this fall.
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The big divide is globalism vs. protectionism. And that definitely does not fall along party lines.
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Did you predict the wipeout of the Republican party to the extent that it happened? In the Presidential AND Congressional races. Be honest. And why DID America swing so far to the Left? Surely you must know.
As for Jersey's recent results - tell me it's a triumph of Republican values over Democrat, and has nothing to do with the scandals involving a LOAD of state officials.
Scott Brown? It would've been a surprise if he lost, considering Martha Coakley's sham of a campaign.
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against Andrew Cuomo? Any calculations?
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Mar 05, 2010 7:49:53 AM CST
We are going through similar shit here in Australia.
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
Just like you guys we had a long term(11 fuckin years) very right-wing government. Many people got rich. Many people became lost. Our humanity on a world stage began to suffer. From our treatment of Australia's indigenous people to the way we suddenly decided people coming here to flee genocide, war and atrocity deserved to be locked up on islands in detention centres to be "processed"(Jesus... It sounds nearly like a conspiracy theory, and I fuckin hate conspiracy theories and theorists.). Then suddenly the public had someone alternate to vote for. Charasmatic(in a geeky, aloof kind of way), well spoken and thoughtful Kevin Rudd managed to bring the Howard Government to it's knees. It felt like we had a brand new future. In retrospect he actually had a better start than Obama. Within days of being elected he had signed the Kyoto Protocol(something the Howard Government refused to do) and within months he made the largest statement of guilt and sorrow this nation has ever seen by saying 'Sorry' to the aboriginals. It was a momentous moment in Australian history and a huge step forward in bridging the cultures. Since then however they have tried too many times to second guess themselves. They did help save our economy but have since lost their spine. Bending to a minority opposition in the form of a religious zealot. Apart from his hypocracy(preaches to women on staying virgins till married, yet believed for years he had a child out of wedlock, only to be disproven through D.N.A.) Tony Abbott is a staunch catholic who's near insane attitude of outspokeness seems to resonate enough to have him equal in the poles!!!! WHAT THE FUCCCKKK!!!! I am from a right wing family, and have always voted by my own principles. For instance at state level our left wingers need to be stopped. Badly. However if Abbott becomes our next PM, I am moving to fucking New Zealand.
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It's obvious that Cuomo is going to whipe the f'ing floor with Lazio. What Republicans fail to understand is this election isn't anti-Democrat, it's largely anti-incumbant. Democrats just have more seats up for reelection. But, if Democrats can get shit done, that feeling might actually turn around. Polls are showing Specter (D) back with the lead from Toomey (R) in Pennsylvania's senate race, where for months Toomey enjoyed the better numbers. In Ohio, Gov. Ted Strickland's (D) approval rating is resurging after months of steady drops. In scandal-ravaged Illinois, Democrat Alexi Giannoulias holds a lead over well known Republican Mark Kirk, and Blagojevich successor Pat Quinn looks good for election. In Mass., even Brown realized his win had nothing to do with a want for a return to the shitty era of Republicanism that caused America's collapse, and had more to do with discontent over congressional gridlock -- so now he bucked party leadership and voted with the Democrats on the jobs bill. Then there's Arkansas Lt. Gov. Bill Halter (D), a progressive who has raised over $1 million just through Move On and Act Blue since announcing his primary challenge to Blanche Lincoln (a hardcore conservative democrat) a few days ago. Any Republican is an idiot if they hold the starry-eyed notion that Americans actually want the people who brought this country to its knees back in the driver's seat. They're looking for a reason not to vote for you guys -- and Obama is finally giving it to them. This election cycle is the farthest thing from a so-called Republican revolution in history -- a revolution requires that people actually like your values, believe your sincerity, and trust in your leadership, which at present consists of Mason Verger (a.k.a. Mitch McConnell), an overcooked turkey drumpstick (John Boehner), and an ex Governor of Alaska who can only name one founding father.
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and you blew it. You had a supermajority, filibuster-proof lock on any piece of legislation that your collective liberal hearts desired. AND YOU FAILED. Now you try to trot out scandal in New Jersey as the end all-be all of your party's failings. Fact is: Obama himself could not rescue each one of your candidates. Brown was trailing 32 points in the fall polls in a state that no one on the right even dared to think could go centrist, nevermind right. If Coakley ran a sham of a campaign, well whose fault is that. Again, the golden one could not rescue her. The problem is that your party right now is staring major defeat in the face, and yes I knew that we were going to lose in 08. However the seeds for that were laid in 06 if you botherred to do your research.
The bottom line is that you have had a free year to "drain the swamp" and enact any legislative agenda you wished and the democrats once again reverted to childish idealistic arguements that allowed an unexpected 41st vote to creep in and give their agenda pause.
You don't have to listen to me, there are hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of tea party protestors (a slight upgrade over 80 hand-picked floridians) that are telling you that this agenda, which you can't even muster consensus on in the first place, is loathsome to the American people. You can either choose to acknowledge the validity of their potential impact, you could derisively ignore them as "uneducated larvae" of the conservative fear factory, or you could choose to openly mock the average american making his voice hear as that fool Maher has taken to recently.
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Apparently you do, for purely political purposes. There are a multitude of reasons why the Dem supermajority could not pass healthcare reform (the "agenda", as you call it, you fucking talking point parroting imbecile) is because it is complex and Dems comprise viewpoints across the spectrum on the issue.
Unlike the Republican yes-men who led this country into wars and deficits, the other side actually wants to debate, negotiate and work out a solution.
The sad thing about you is you votely purely along partisan lines. You can't think for yourself. God forbid a Dem ever ran in your district who could do a good job. I have no qualm about voting Republican if said Rep is the best candidate running for a particular position. You, however. Your mouth is practically glued to the elephant's ass. You're a mental midget with amazingly naive predictions based on Fox News tripe passing for information. I swear if I could talk to one well-reasoned Conservative around here I would be a happy man.
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That is how the system is set up to keep the rich rich while the poor and middle class fight amongst themselves. And Limbaugh is laughing all the way to the bank. Wake up people!
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Mar 05, 2010 11:19:53 AM CST
Unsustainable arguements always revert to the profanity
by sauronthepowerful
Fortunately there are millions of registerred voters who do care about such things, which in the end nullifies your utter lack of comprehension. However, just to clarify a few things amongst many to which you are completely uninformed. 1) Without giving too much away, I live in a heavily democratic congressional district, and its been that way for quite a while. Our state's finances are teeterring on the precipice of bankruptcy ( 3rd in the nation, I believe, so that should probably tell you everything you need to know, if you had the ability to actually research something. Tell you what why don't you ask moveon to provide you your response and just claim it as your own, might actually knock you up a few notches on the IQ scale) due to DEMOCRATIC sponsorred mandates which have no hopes of being met. 2) I have voted democrat many times recently when the conservative candidate was a farce, sometimes with regret, sometimes without. 3) So funny that you liked to smugly (and incorrectly) liked to quote the Vietnam war above when it was JFK and consequently LBJ who got us into that quagmire and lo and behold did not mssr. Johnson's Great Society lead to the economic deficits of the 70's. Next time you want to blithely throw around historical examples, try to know what the h%ll you're actually talking about. Huffington can't help you if you can't think for yourself my friend. 4) YOUR OWN PUNDITRY ie: Gergin, Brazielle, Toobin, Owens et al (exactly how many of those guys work for fox again you say) ARE TELLING YOU THAT YOU ARE GOING TO LOSE HORRIBLY in the midterms, if I'm guilty of parrotting anyone, it is your own supporters. And for the record, I have more respect for Gergin than most of the rest of them. Brazielle couldn't even get Gore to win his own home state in the 2000 election. 5) You accuse me of parrotting the punditry yet you seem to cling to the mistaken and uninformed celebrity of Maher, Penn, and Olbermann that there is no backlash against the agenda of the past year. Guess those millions of tea partiers were really singing the praises of the golden messiah last summer. I must have misread that. 6) You magnanimously claim to support intellectual thought as most 'enlightened' dems are wont to do and then your very president enacts a political deadline to get it done or face reconcilliation. Next time you want to sound informed for the rest of us, try a little better not to contradict your own party's actions.
7) Finally, as is the playbook for all frustrated liberals, who like spoiled children scream and cry when they don't get their way, you have to resort to profanity and personal insults when the validity of your rather weak arguements is exposed by the contradictory actions of your own party. Based on your own rather bloated perceptions of your rather infantile expectations, I'm afraid you will indeed not be a happy man anytime soon. Good Luck in your pursuit of recociling 1/6 of the federal economy before Easter, my friend..... -
Kinda makes you long for the days of AnimalStructure, eh?
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Mar 05, 2010 12:35:02 PM CST
We're gonna lose big? Sure you could'a said that in January...
by american mythos
You could have said that in January, when Democrats refused to actually use their super majority. What disgusted people was that lack of spine. What disgusts them more is Republicans who only want to play politics with the country's future. In committees, over 150 Republican amendments were added to the health care bill -- and every single Republican voted against it. After every single Republican voted against the stimulus, congressional Republicans were in their home districts handing out big novelty checks and attending ribbon cutting ceremonies for projects funded by the stimulus. In my homestate of Alaska, Rep. Don Young, who voted against the stimulus, boasted about how many millions would be coming to Alaska as a result. Republicans all across the country played the same sick game. And Democrats finally woke up.
Isn't it ironic that Scott Brown's election helped them wake up? And as a result, Democrats are moving forward with reconciliation to pass health care reform. Not everyone will agree with Democratic policy, but what they hate more is inaction and gridlock. We will lose seats this November. So will Republicans.
But a new Ipsos poll -- conducted after Obama's meeting with the House Republican Caucus, where he schooled them, and the health care summit, where Republicans embarrassed themselves with props and inaccuracies that all the news orgs were fact-checking afterward -- 50 percent of Americans prefer a Democratic congressional candidate compared to 40 percent preference for Republicans. Another thing that's helped the tide turn in recent weeks is health insurance companies continuing to rape Americans with outrageous rate hikes up to 39 percent overnight. -
Mar 05, 2010 1:11:29 PM CST
Somewhat correct but still conveniently omitting key facts
by sauronthepowerful
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MNG: I'm surprised he hasn't made an appearance here. Isn't he SmokingRobot? Not much difference b/w him and Sauron. Strictly partisan, just a difference in tone. His fixation on punditry reveals much. I wonder where he was when the Republicans were piling on the deficit under Bush. Probably calling Liberals traitors or some shit (excuse the profanity).
American Mythos: Damned right, friend. I don't put as much stock in the teabaggers as Sauron does, because the political winds change by the freaking day. It's ridiculous. Just look at issues. I would have preferred a real honest debate about healthcare reform but it's clear that the lobbyists have such a hold on the issue and the Republicans, as you said, have no interest in solving the problem. It's merely a wedge issue they want to exploit for political gain, people be damned. But then what have they EVER done but exploit wedge issue after wedge issue?
Quite frankly I've been on an up-and-down feeling about Obama but his recent efforts have won me over yet again. I don't blame him for any perceived inaction. He alone can't change an ingrained, broken system. But he's one of the few trying for fuck's sake. 39%? Unbelievable. -
Mar 05, 2010 1:22:51 PM CST
Somewhat correct but still conveniently omitting key facts
by sauronthepowerful
The health insurance companies certainly do not help their own case and for that they get no sympathy and no quarter from around these parts. I would submit however, that they are raising these rates in a reactive defense to the very real possibility that Obama gets this legislation through. Much as the credit card companies have taken a reactionary stance to the new lending rules, the insurance companies are doing what they are in business to do, minimize risk. Am I defending this.....no. Do I think that it is an unfortunate caveat of our free-market society.....yes. What you conveniently happened to omit is while quoting the very same kickback system used to bring pet pork projects to various constituancies did not Nebraska and Louisiana also use the same dirty politics (Nebraska to the tune of 300mil alone) in order to secure these Democratic holdout votes. Amazing how the liberals are trying to claim principled politics and then their very own congressman hold out against their very own president's signature policy in order to goose the economy for over a quarter billion dollars in vote buying. If you want to use the example of a 'sick game' make sure that your own house is clean as well. As far as Obama schooling ANYONE that is a matter of liberal perception. The dems have had their supermajority and now let it slip away. I don't think that we can just explain that away as unfortunate miscalculation in the service of a higher arguement. Let us not delude ourselves.....both sides of the aisle are playing this game to the hilt in service of their own political interests. Why else would we have a presiddent who thunderously proclaimed that he would "be the last president to take on health care," and has consequently made it the tenancy of his presidency.
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As if excluding mammograms for women under 50 in order to fudge CBO estimates is performing a service to the greater good of society. Let's try to ram an unread 2400 page colossious through committee with any and all hyperbole to make it appear efficiant and pleasing to the public at large, consequences be damned. Try explaining that to your wife or niece or daughter when they cant even get screened under the democrats plan. Try comforting them with the warmth of your enlightened arguements as they lay wasting for lack of a diagnosis, nevermind treatment. Regardless of the outcome, the enlightened liberals tried to slip that one through and that alone should speak volumes as to their desire for principled political gain over the welfare of its populice.....
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"I would submit however, that they are raising these rates in a reactive defense to the very real possibility that Obama gets this legislation through."
Where did you get this information from?
Because according to Wellpoint the increase is due to *real* escalating costs. If they're increasing rates and dropping customers because of a business strategy then that bolsters the case for a public option, no?
And quite frankly, Sauron, since Medicare's administrative overhead is only 3% compared to corporate insurance's 20%, it stands to reason a public option would be more efficient and better for the insured, no? Profit motive is great, but so is free market competition. -
As I pretty clearly stated "I would submit" which means that that is my opinion. The precedence for this would be the banking industry and the credit card industries amending terms and stipulations PRIOR to Obama's legislative 'fixes' becoming actual law. It could certainly follow that the insurance colossious is following suit in reactionary anticipation that this legislation does go through. Again, I, even as a conservative, think that this is egregious, but they probably feel that they are being pushed. And yes, profit is one thing, but the probability is that they have gotten used to a certain profit margain and that there is no turning back on the shareholders on this. Amazingly, as I argue this with you, a news flash just came across that the largest government health ins provider is terminating its contract w the 2nd largest hospital in my home state (if nothing else that should alert you to my location) which has been hitherto unheard of. Sign of the times? Who knows.....
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And your mention of the banking industry raising rates (criminally usurious, to my thinking) and fees bolsters the case for a strong consumer protection agency. Who cares what returns shareholders are used to? The risk of losses come with any investment. Just make sure the business is viable. Anyway why the big secret about where you live? Not like we're gonna find you unless your state has a population of 1 ... c'mon show some community spirit.
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Sounds like we're actually getting along. The problem with this whole thing is that the financial sector is going to push back against any legislative agenda, no matter how well intentioned. And that to me is the problem. You sound like you could be a reasonable liberal so I'll put it this way. The financial sector will always have far far superior resources and research to the government. Administrations are transient by nature as are political majorities. While I certainly agree that the health care industry is gaming with peoples lives on this, it is a symptom of a larger quandry that America will not, despite some good and some not so good intentions, solve in the foreseeable future. Bottom line, there will always be loopholes and they will ALWAYS be found. If the democrats insist on pushing through a regulatory agenda, then the affected industries are going to do what they were created to do, minimize economic risk. And yes, it is disgusting when that actuarial aversion uses human lives as their barterring chips. The reality is that the right should be trying to embrace a financially feasible alternative that requires that these companies show more investment in what they sell their policies under. With that being said, the left needs to realize as well that no amount of sweet words, media compliciancy, and legislative bullying will get you to change the free market financial system as it stands in America right now and adjust their objectives to something resembling reality. The funny thing is that you actually trot out factual analysis to support your opinion which is more than I can say for Maher et al. And to me that is a problem that needs to be addressed. No amount of celebrity snivellry can change what is a fundamental system of doing business here. Democratic legislative oversight will only cut so far into the problem before it is circumvented by the resources of the financial sector. In this particular case, it could GREATLY greatly make matters worse down the road despite the political enlightenment of Obama, Pelosi et al. This is not to say that I am relegating all financial industries as surrogates of some vast evil conspiracy. However, this is the system under which we have enjoyed the American standard of living no matter how the left tries to amend public perception about its moral place in the human condition.
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I'm not black, but I am a minority. According to the liberal lexicon, that would make me right by default. But that's out the window since I like to think for myself not unlike Clarence Thomas and Thomas Sowell.Liberals have come up with inventive, disparaging words to describe folks like myself. Oreo, coconut, twinkie, etc. I think I'm an apple, but not certain. You sensitive, tolerant, fair-minded, diversity-loving liberals, you.
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...Obeyme will put his kids to bed, and then he will make his way to her bedroom where his green thumbed wife is waiting with the lube on the nightstand, the lights dim, and Marvin Gaye playing softly on the stereo. Then he will plunge his meaty saber into her bush with the ravenous hunger of a newspaper wrapped fish, relishing the opportunity to steal all the power she wears during the day, as he makes her squeak like a deflating balloon. Then Obeyme will sleep like a King having dethroned the Queen. The next morning, he will put on his bowling pants...and Obeyme will patiently await for bedtime where he can once again usurp her power.
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I get along with everyone.
I agree - there is too much power concentrated in too few private hands. And those hands hold great sway over OUR government (and the recent Supreme Court decision on unlimited corporate spending on political campaigns raises the bar). But hear me on this - although Administrations and representatives are transient, the ongoing concern that is the American government - and its institutions - have far greater longevity than any corporation. That's why, no matter how I disagree with our government's actions, I don't view it as a dispensible institution. That's a far different view from those who act on their disagreement to try to abolish government. To me, that makes no sense and they are nothing but puppets of corporations whose goals ARE to abolish, or at least diminish to a neglible entity, the government. We all need to strive, however difficult it is to do, to get politicians to protect us. Even if such protection, in the form of laws and regulations, has loopholes, it's really better than nothing. People are really suffering now.
It's crazy that you said "And yes, it is disgusting when that actuarial aversion uses human lives as their barterring chips. The reality is that the right should be trying to embrace a financially feasible alternative that requires that these companies show more investment in what they sell their policies under." Because there was a Huffpost (I know, I know) article today on a Goldman Sachs report that you will find illuminating and relevant to our discussion. I will post it below for you in its entirety. Particularly interesting is that the Dems are doing what you feel the Right should. If anything, we have a ton of common ground on this matter.
One of the problems is we don't really have a free market in the health insurance industry. It's a monopolistic system. So much so they are afraid of a government-sponsored plan because it would present unprecendented competition. Have you heard of Wendell Potter? He's a former CIGNA exec who blew the lid off the industry. He is my biggest source of information on the issue. After hearing and reading him numerous times I am convinced of the absolute need to reform the industry because it is a bomb set to explode at some point. The health of a nation's people is absolutely critical to the health of the nation itself.
The healthcare industry functions as it does currently because of the guidelines set by law. Amend the law, alter the rules - for the protection of consumers - and they will adapt. The corporations will still be around, healthcare pros will still be working, but consumers won't be screwed. Think about how the Right abhors protectionism and closed markets. Isn't that what the industry currently is? Protected and closed?
Although we've been able to enjoy a nice standard of living, this recession has radically altered that reality. It has hurt the middle class and lower class, and even many who were previously rich are no longer. That's what makes Liberal rhetoric more than just flowery words now. It makes it an important rallying call for change. I think we can agree that without a viable middle class we are pretty much fucked, and that's the turning point we're at now. I'm not a big fan of Bill Maher and I think his show is sometimes strong but mostly weak on substance. I think you would have a far different impression of the Left if you checked out NPR.org and listened to public radio more often. The expertise, the deep level of analysis, on display is sometimes astounding. Though they lean Left, it's not to the point of being unpalatable to thinking Conservatives like yourself.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/05/insurers-set-to-raise-pri_n_487684.html
Insurers Set To Raise Prices, Walk Away From Consumers: Goldman Report
First Posted: 03- 5-10 02:02 PM | Updated: 03- 5-10 03:03 PM
The market concentration for health insurance is so monopolized in some areas that insurance companies are willing to raise prices and lose customers in an effort to improve their bottom line, a leading insurance broker told Wall Street analysts on Wednesday.
In a conference call organized by Goldman Sachs Global Investment Research, Steve Lewis, a highly regarded broker at the world's third largest insurance broker, Willis, painted a picture of the health insurance market in which employers seem likely to be priced out of coverage.
Noting that "price competition" between insurers was "down from a year ago," Lewis relayed that "incumbent carriers seem more willing than ever to walk away from existing business."
The phenomenon of insurers pricing their policies beyond where consumers can afford it seems to be already taking place. Last month Anthem Blue Cross told customers it would hike their health insurance premiums by as much as 39 percent (with the expectation that some would drop coverage altogether). In December, the Huffington Post reported that Aetna was planning on losing more than 600,000 customers by raising prices on their consumers in 2010.
Insurers are able to do this in part because the markets in which they operate have no adequate competition, suggests Lewis. The broker noted that "the smaller client segment" was "increasingly frustrated" with the renewal of their coverage and was "evaluating potential self-funding with stop loss protection" instead. Lewis added that employers in many markets knew "that they're not going to be able to trade down pricing very significantly" (i.e. find cheaper coverage) and, as such, would likely only change plans or become self-insured if there was a "fairly significant" disruption in service.
"As I mentioned at the outset, it was without a doubt the most challenging renewal cycle in my 20 years of this business with employers really struggling with how and what was going to drive their decision, combined with the lack of aggressive and competitive pricing in the marketplace," Lewis said.
The remarks are as clear an indication as any that while the health insurance industry suffered greatly from the recession it remains remarkably well positioned to recoup those profits going forward -- principally because companies can raise prices without worrying about the market hit it will take.
The Democratic-authored health care package would eliminate the anti-trust exemption that health insurers enjoy, require insurers to spend a high percentage of their funds on medical costs and create a commission that would oversee unexpected hikes in premiums. And yet, Lewis says that the clients he represents (employers who purchase health care coverage) have largely soured on the reform process even if they are favorable towards the overall goals.
"I think most people would acknowledge that there's a need for health care reform, employers continue to be very frustrated," he said. "But I would also say that many of them still view the legislation and the partisanship coming out of Washington as possibly the medicine worse than the disease. So, many employer groups that we're talking to feel like it would be a shame to lose an opportunity to do something with respect to health care reform. But many are starting to feel like maybe nothing is better than something in this current environment." -
There's no doubt that these insurance companies are poorly managed corporations. The business model that favors dropping customers instead of gaining them is unsustainable. Without a widely diverse pool of customers to draw income from, how can they possibly survive for long? Anyway what just occurred to me is, what would happen if there was a crisis that impacted them similar to what happened to the banks?
This system that they built, where they are integrated into the overall healthcare industry itself, could really collapse. Right now, the problem is that much of the money the insurers take in are not being reinvested or saved for a rainy day. What could be put into reserves is being paid in bonuses and dividends. If a crisis occurred, untold numbers would have no insurance, and the medical industry - with a severe, sustained drop in revenue - would enter into crisis mode by a domino effect. Hospitals, doctors, nurses, private practitioners ... all out on a limb.
The only conceivable solution - and brace for it - would be a government bailout. Think about it. What else could be done? You can argue the banks and auto makers didn't need them, but can you argue that a collapse of the healthcare infrastructure can be allowed to fail?
More of an argument for reform - breaking up the monopoly, mandatory reserves and reinvestment, etc. - and in my opinion, a failsafe public option entity as a backup. -
I used to be an NPR junkie, even as a conservative (know your enemy, you know that sort of thing. Actually, just kidding used to listen attentively on the work commute) About 5 years ago I thought they veered hard left and from there I was lost. I listen to a ton of listener-sponsorred independent radio (this should realy give away my location) that is extreme left. Some of their most intelligent analysts are really striving to do the right thing ABOVE the political swirl. However, this is where it gets murky. Both sides will never be able to reconcile the ideal with the practical. This is probably an extension of the human condition more than just a labelling issue. Conservatives are alarmed (justifiably) by the cost and yes deep down probably that this would secure an 8 year term for the golden one. One interest is purely principle and one is selfish political reality. That being said.....the left is in this far more for the political jockeying than 98% of all admitted liberals will ever allow themselves to think. Declaring that "I will be the last president to ever tackle this issue" pretty clearly throws down the political gauntlet on intention. The "health care summit" farce from last week was nothing more than a dog-and-pony show to try and expose Republicans as unthinking, unfeeling uneducated hatemongers who would like nothing better than for the "bottom 60% of the populice to crawl into some corner and expire peacefully and quietly. I think you know as well as I that this is far more complex than that. As long as the left keeps hammerring these stereotypes, the longer the political strife will muck up the works. Pelosi can only feign mock indignition so many times before she is revealed as a political hack.
As far as this recession is concerned, it has roots that go back at least 35 years in terms of what has become an "acceptable materialism" in this country. Bush and Obama tacitly reinforce this every time each introduced ideas designed to increase consumer spending to stimulate the economy. Home-buying will only stimulate the economy so far. Much more to say on this matter but am amazed that someone on AICN knew who Thomas Sowell was. Kind of made my night..... -
Someday I'm going to figure out how to get spaces between my paragraphs, cause 'enter' isn't doing the job.....
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You're talking about war dominating the state of the airwaves at the time. NPR today is much more even handed. And I'm guessing you're listening to progressive radio, of the Pacifica stripe. Even I don't do that (or at least I do it very rarely). Too far to the Left for my taste.
Problem with political tactics on the Left is ... what can one expect Obama to do? There is an orchestrated effort to obstruct everything he does, no matter how useful it is, for "selfish political reality". So, he fights fire with fire. That's a necessary reality in itself. If he counters the Right with similar tactics, and he prevails, you can say he won on a level playing field.
You can say the Left is hammering at stereotypes, but it's equally (or more) true of the Right. Calling Obama socialist is just one of dozens of examples of using stereotype and politics of fear. -
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Upon first reading, kind of reinforces what I stated earlier about adopting a proactive defense in anticipation of this legislation passing. Just the fact that this idea of a government option is being floated is enough for the insurance companies to try a tactic like this in order to impose their "importance" on the rest of us. The fact that the author states that he's never seen anything like it in his career and that we have never been this close to government stimulated competition to the private insurance industry HAS to be more than a fanciful parallel. The insurance companies are doing this to establish the "lines of combat" in response to government even daring to regulate their revenue streams. Again, they get no sympathy from me and I will admit that the usage of human lives as a negotiating tool is about as low as it goes.........I'll tell you what, let's do some good old fashioned horse-trading here. You (the left) give me comprehensive tort reform and I'll give you regulatory limitations on the ability to deny/alter coverage. However, that would involve ripping apart the 2400 monstrosity and building parallel consensus, not plotting legislative maneuvering. The fact that this bill could not get done in the first 12 months simply amazes me.
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I would accept that trade. That's a good deal for both sides.
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several Republican measures into his reform bill. But to start from scratch? Political reality-wise, everyone knows that's what the insurers want - doom.
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That's nothing. It took me almost a month and a half just to formalize my contract to buy a condo. Negotiations always take a shitload of time.
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This particular station gets the Pacifica feed but they are independent East Coast and rabid observers of the Fairness Doctrine (to their credit). As I am debating this with you Sean Penn just managed to make the usual horses-a$s of himself on Maher's weekly program expounding the virtues of Chavez and decrying tha current aid streams to Haiti. As far as Obama's responses.....He had a full year of unfettered power and could not get his own party to stop infighting to get this passed. I know now a little better where you stand on this issue but I have to bring up what you said earlier about Republicans using obstructionary tactics to garner blue ribbon project funding. If Nebraska had not held out, this debate could have been ended about 40 posts ago. Goes to reinforce that both sides of the aisle are guilty here, but the Democrats had the advantage and miscalculated. THAT is Obama's fault. The Republicans had twelve months of NO standing to block this and the Democrats foolishly miscalculated their ability to get it done.
Anthem was indeed the company that I was referencing above. They just seem to be all over the news today..... -
We seem to be online at the same time and our answers are overlapping so some of my responses are outdated by the time I have refreshed a post.
This whole process doesn't need to be comprehensive.....just start with those two aspects and introduce legislation gradually. The insurance companies would be required to meet those mandates and then the harder issues could be worked out after the crisis stage has passed. -
The Dems did miscalculate and should have caucused more to reach consensus instead of letting this drag out. But ....... Obama had his plate full. You know, withdrawal from Iraq, addressing the stimulus issue, escalating Afghanistan. Some fault goes to him, but one needs also to look at circumstance. Meanwhile, what have the Republicans accomplished but to organize and execute a strategy of obstructionism, even on the wars. Also ... Mythos takes credit for the blue ribbon reference ...
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Good debate. Night.
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Funny thing is.....Everyone though that the tech revolution would continue unabated. Everyone insisted that housing prices would ascend indefinately. Everyone was positive that oil would profit at exponential rates. Everyone was 100% sure that the banks were 'too big to fail.' In each one of these cases the bottom dropped out due to the unsustainability of their profit structure.
The unfortunate part about this is that lives are directly in the balance and that is where I think you and I enjoy a consensus. Unfortunately, I do not think government has even the slightest means to financial safeguard this industry. -
Mar 05, 2010 10:37:45 PM CST
Agreed. Hopefully cooler heads will prevail in Washington
by sauronthepowerful
Hope you can now claim to know at least one reasonable conservative in the world.
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And you're quite alright in my political book. It was a great talk - really thought provoking. Isn't that how progress is made? An exchange of facts and opinions? As always, Palin spurs a great talkback. Thanks to Herc too.
I do want to say though - it's not that the government doesn't have the means to safeguard us. We have to remember that, ideally at least, we are the government. What I think our government lacks is the will to safeguard us. If we can reach a consensus, like you and I did, on the need for reforming our healthcare infrastructure to avoid future crises, there is no reason why we can't. We're America. We can do anything.
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Some zebras never change their stripes.
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Although, I think sauron is giving far to much credence to voices like Bill Maher and Sean Penn. It's not like folks have been dropping Hannity, Krauthammer, or Limbaugh here in response. But I digress...BSB - SmokingRobot? Hmmm, that's a good question; I honestly don't know. I've been off the TB trail for awhile now and have only recently been making appearances. Last I recall, AnimalStructure was flying under the handles, "RowdyRoddyStriper" and "ErnestBorgNine".
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