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Last week’s Shephard-centric “Lost” was for me the least of the season so far.
The adventures of 2004 alternaJack and his freshly minted prodigy son were not terrifically compelling. Free of Jacob’s influence, Dogen turned up in Los Angeles doing nothing menacing, just as Ben Linus did the previous week and Ethan Goodspeed the week before that. Maybe we’ll see Keamy on the LAPD this week, giving Sayid a speeding ticket. It feels like we’re getting into the same rut we fell into with the old flashbacks; returning now is the season-three antisness I remember enduring while waiting to get back to the (usually) more interesting stuff going on in the middle of the Pacific.
Jack’s island story felt an awful lot like Sawyer’s the week prior. He ditched the Temple, took a long guided walk across the island and discovered Jacob had been making a list of castaways and checking it twice.
(The start of Jack’s episode-long journey was particularly galling. If Hurley comes to you on that crazy island and asks you to look at something, what kind of maniac decides he’s not interested? Jack would rather just stay planted on his hinder and stare at the temple wall rather than gather more information about his seemingly perilous circumstances?)
I found myself impatient also with the Claire-Jin drama. Emilie DeRavin worked to sell an evil veneer, but her actions seemed not unreasonable given the circumstances. Despite Dogen’s warnings, neither she nor Sayid seem to be up to much real mischief. And Claire’s declaration that she will kill Kate if she finds out Kate took Aaron carries about as much weight with me at the moment as Sawyer’s declaration in 6.1 that he would kill Jack for precipitating Juliet’s demise.
We did learn “someone is coming,” so that at least was a smidgen of progress. Probably. Who’s “out there” and still breathing these days? Charles Widmore and his estranged son-in-law Des? Eloise Hawking? Who else? Someone yet unmet?
ABC says of tonight’s Sayid-centric “Sundown”:
Sayid is faced with a difficult decision, and Claire sends a warning to the temple inhabitants. Guest starring are Kevin Durand as Keamy, Anthony Azizi as Omar/Arabic man, Hiroyuki Sanada as Dogen, John Hawkes as Lennon, Andrea Gabriel as Noor "Nadia" Abed Jaseem, Kimberley Joseph as Cindy, Cas Anvar as Omer, Kailee Velasco as Eva, Aramis Knight as Sam, Peter Stray as doctor, Salvatore Abbadessa as cabbie, David Griffith as screaming Other, Mickey Graue as Zack and Kiersten Havelock as Emma. "Sundown" was written by Paul Zbyszewski & Graham Roland and directed by Bobby Roth.
9 p.m. Tuesday. ABC.
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Looking forward to this.
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...will be killed by the Smoke Monster.
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hurley's still fat
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#108 said "Wallace". Wikipedia says "Wallace is a surname, of Scottish origin". Any other scots on Lost?
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I do agree about the Season 3 flashbacks, but I find these "flash-sideways" highly compelling because of what they show us about the characters and the differences in personality they experience in the new versions of their lives. For instance, in last week's Jack actually overcame the burdens he has carried from his bad relationship with Christian. The previous weeks about Locke, a confident, loved Locke, was even more compelling.
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When he told Hurley he needed to help someone "find the island" he was referring to Jack, wasn't he? As in help Jack find what his purpose is? I thought it was Dogen going all Jedi mentor on Hurley and speaking in riddles.
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Some of them sound reminiscint of some of the trolls that come here, who clearly aren't fans of the show but want to be part of the final season and just hear answers.
Now I wouldn't be suprised if one of the so called trolls is Herc and posting under a different name.
Jack ep was very good, very well done, especially the "flash sideways" stuff, good mix of character and mythology.
Why wouldn't Jack want to be involved, pretty easy answer there, he just did something that he was convinced would change the future and to his knowledge nothing happened, except Juliet died.
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right up to the point where she drove that axe into that guy's stomach, yes.
also, i agree she seems broadly reasonable except that here's a woman who walked off in the middle of the night and abandoned her kid, and now seems psychopathically determined to exact revenge on those who took her kid.
oh, and "that's not John, that's my friend"?
you've got to admit, Herc: the Claire-Jin scenes were a *little* interesting.
i agree spawn of Shepherd - beyond the initial discovery of his existence - wasn't especially compelling.
and i also thought the Lighthouse was a little bit cave redux (despite having much cooler effects and better windows). i was even annoyed at how predictable Jacob's reaction was to learning that Jack had smashed the mirrors.
i also hope the Others turning up as school teachers and doctors in alternaLA means something besides the fact they managed to escape the Island way back when.
Despite all this, i still think this season and last are much stronger and more focused than the water-treading episodes of mid-season 2 and mid-season 3...
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That episode was boring as fuck. At least the stuff on the island in Jack's episode was kind of interesting. We pretty much got an answer to the numbers, if you care about that mystery.
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no--i don't think he's referring to Jack. I think he's referring to whoever Jacob is referring to that is coming to the island. Maybe Faraday, maybe Widmore, maybe Desmond--my bets on Desmond
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Love that character description, would look great on your acting CV.
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Haven't done that since Through The Looking Glass at the end of Season 3. The theory that these flashes are like a kind of coda to the entire series and set after season 6 seems to gather evidence each week, after all, with the exception of Kate (and who cares about her anyway) everyone in ALTERNAVERSE is better off. Oh, theres Jin and Sun too. Damn forgot about them. I'm hoping Darlton have a better, more WTF sounding explanation though.
BTW, anyone think the 'Shepherd' on the lighthouse refers to Christian? All the pictures in the mirror referred to WHERE Jacob met Losties, the temple where Jin/Sun got married, the church where ickle Sawyer was, surely if it meant Jack the picture on the mirror would be the hospital, not his childhood home, no? Yes? -
they play with viewers' emotions for, as well as perceptions of, the characters. What I mean is, if you as a viewer were given a choice to decide one of the two fates of each character, what would you prefer? Life without oceanic crash or life with oceanic crash? Are they better of never having crashed on that island?
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*insert obligatory rant about edit button*
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I thought the axe to the chest reasonable as well. I think that fellow was keen to kill her if she didn't move first.
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The Ethan Goodspeed appearance made the Kate episode stand out for me.
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From the other TB:
I think a lot of comments about Jacob point to the fact that Jacob is not a "Jesus" type of figure, he has a job to do and he gets it done, largely by whatever means necessary, including manipulation. Including chosing to save someone and letting someone die to help serve his purpose (i.e Sayid and Nadia).
Whilst I know that the bulk of this season will be about choosing sides I really do hope the ending is about Losties saying no to both Smokey and Jacob sides.
No more of this control and manipulation, it becomes about the human race "growing up" deciding their own destiny.
At the end, what I would like to see, is Smokey to be taken out via a long con from Sawyer. Jacob then saying to Jack, that he is now responsible for protecting the island.
Jack hesitates, sick of the manipulation, sick of the death, the island through a manifestation (maybe Christian) telling Jack that he can chose to end the island, end the manipulation and control, let the human race figure it out for themselves. The cost will be that the island is destroyed, this reality will be destroyed and that they (humans) will be on their own. Jack can do this through the turn of the wheel, the wheel turning backwards.
A determined Jack thinks about the deaths of his friends, and turns that wheel, a flash of light, we then see some images from the "flash sideways" of all of our characters how they are now "living" life. The final image for me is then of Jack with his son.
Still not sure of the "POOM" LOST part.
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...if I have missed something, making this a dumb question.But WHY are their alterna-lives better simply because they did not crash on the island? They were still screwed up when they boarded that plane. Or were they? What changed? Other than maybe Jacob and/or MIB did not fuck with their lives? Was that interaction the cause of their miseries?
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Did not see your post before I typed mine. That would actually answer my question.
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For some reason this week Lost airs two hours earlier than in the US(perhaps a reward for Canada kicking ass on Sunday lol) Just thought I'd rub that in a little. Lost @ 7pm better be a weekly thing eh. Oh and il be sure not to spoil anything aboot the show for you guys. I'd better go take my beaver for a walk.
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It is not just that plane didn't crash, but also that Dharma and Others never came to Island. As they've shown so far, things are different in sideways timeline from even before plane crash.
e.g. Jack's appendix. He had it before plane crashed. In alternate timeline, he got it removed when he was a kid. -
because if Dharma never came to the island then Ethan's parents would never have met and he wouldn't exist. And besides, in alterna-verse Otherton exists at the bottom of the sea and the Dharma shark is hanging out at the Foot statue. Wow, that last sentence is odd even for LOST
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My comments are how I would like to see it played out.
Think a lot of people are now buying into this "reincarnation" instead of a parallel world theory, and obviously I am one of them.
Its not about, "what if the island ceased in 1977", but what about if it never existed.
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...that's what I was getting at. If 815 never crashes...they got on that plane in miserable situations. Just because they don't crash, it doesn't matter what happened or did not happen on the island. They should still be in bad situations, as fucked up people) when they get off in LA X. UNLESS...as Miyamoto suggests, the reset took out more than we know and erased the interference in their lives. Maybe being touched by Jacob (just like being touched by Uncle Creepy at the family bbq) WASN'T a good thing. At least not for our Losties.
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I don't think we will ever get a literal, detailed explanation of this and personally I wouldn't want one.
We will get abstract answers or an answer that is a similie "is like" or metaphor "is".
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Well not "bad" situations, but life really.
Locke can't walk, Jack is holding on to baggage about how his father saw him. -
Is certainly not "heaven", they all have to deal with difficult, normal life issues, but things seem better, i.e. Locke being ok with his dad and being married.
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Somehow, if that is it, it almost doesn't seem as enough of a reward for them going through all that they have gone through.
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Recently re-watched series 1 extras on DVD and in one special feature interview an early script for the pilot was flashed up on screen. It was entitled 'The Circle'Does this titbit actually hint at a Via Domus style ending for the finale...?
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When he was tied up to the tree...didn´t he say "do you really think THIS is an island?" or something to that matter? Talking from memory here.
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I'd rather it remain abstract as well. Not sure how they could ever make the idea work for a mass audience, but my gut also tells me that the Island is VALIS.
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[b]This is only a test.[/b]
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is the one that's gonna be interesting. That's Richard's episode. There's a Ben episode before that as well.Jack episode > Kate episode
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Why do some people keep insisting it's Wallace?
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A Cindy, Zach and Emma -centric episode.
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Up above Mr. Miyamoto got briefly distracted and accidentally tped "Locke being ok with his dad and being married" as an example of how the LA X lives turned out better.Obviously if Locke is married and is planning to marry his fiance Helen, he has even worse troubles than being confined to a wheelchair.
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I agree with your centiment, but to explicitely provide a direct answer to your question, some people think 108-Wallace is Desmond Hume because William Wallace is a Scots name made familiar in the Gibson film Braveheart.Because, of course, all us Scots look alike.It would be like saying that Wallace is Mr. Eko because of Macellus Wallace in Pulp Fiction. Or Wallace is James Ford because Governor George Wallace was a famous redneck racist during the civil rights movement. Or Wallace is Charlotte Lewis because Marcia Wallace plays Mrs. Kreboppel on The Simpsons.
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I doubt Hercules the strong ever posts on here with a troll name. Based on his comments I doubt he's interested enough in the show to bother with that sort of nonsense.
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Wallace is a wererabbit coz there was a Wallace and Gromit movie about curse of the wererabbit.
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Claire's axe to the chest of treacherous Other guy was one moment on the lest episode that did not surprise me in the least. It was telegraphed through the entire scene and I would have been very much surprised if Claire had let him live.Interesting how they had to turn fan expectations. After his first appearance he was the guy who didn't want "remember me" guy to start killing people, and people associated him with being the friendly, helpful Other who was willing to answer questions while his partner kept telling him to shut up, and before he got a bag of rocks dropped on him.I guess getting hit with a bag of rocks and then back-shot turned him, because this time he was all "Untie me and I'll wring her neck". Maybe he wanted to kill Claire because he believed she was going to kill him, but then that justifies her actions: she did the same thing, killed him because she knew he wanted to kill her.
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its not island...how can an island be below sea level in the alternative universe....i took geology 101 and i think i can safely say islands dont work that way, unless the sea levels are higher in the alternative reality....i think its a UFO...lol
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You said Dharma never came to the island. He pointed out couples wh met and children conceived on te island and, more importantly, the fact that Dharmaville/New Otherton was at the bottom of the ocean and the famous Dharma Shark with the tattooed tail put in an appearance. And, to whoever siad it, No, I don't buy that the island vanished from the 2007 reality and reappeared under water in LA X 2004.But yes, 101, I like the idea of Wallace being a wererabbit.
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What if Hume wasn't his "given" name? One of my theories about the Des & Widmore brouhaha over Des boinking Charle's precious daughter.
I think Desmond David Hume was actually born Desmond Wallace, to a poor, but attractive Scotswoman from a drunken, no good, deadbeat dad named Wallace.
Desmond's poor Mom couldn't take care of him...so she put him up for adoption...and he was 'raised by an other' named Hume.
Now...Widmore has had a long standing beef with this Hume guy because...DUN DUN DUNNNNNN....he left the island all those years ago and had an affair with Hume's wife, Elizabeth...an act that got him kicked off Craphole Island...but also produced a child...an adorable little girl named Penelope.
Later on...Charles had this Hume guy taken out so he could be with Elizabeth and raise Penny together...as a Widmore.
But, in steps a grown up Desmond, who has no idea Penny is somewhat related to him...but not by birth...but by this Masterpiece Theater/Jerry Springer episode confleuence of events.
Therefore, Charles has been trying to keep Desmond & Penny away from each other, ala "Romeo & Juliet", in a vain attempt at keeping Penny 'in the dark' about how she came to be.
What Widmore DOESN'T know...is that Des is a Wallace...not a Hume...and therefore NOT in any danger of producing step-sibling offspring.
Did I lose anyone? Ah, well...Not important.
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It connects to all points of the earth at once through vile vortices. It has the ability to control the fate of the planet. This isn't a magical ability but simply how the strings of fate work on a scientific level. You heard it from me first folks.
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I for one am enjoying the heck out of this season and wish people would just shut up about getting all the answers at once. And besides it doesn't matter how it ends there will be people who hate it and people who love it. Just sit back and enjoy the show.
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....then maybe the island is just another of his weird contraptions, i.e. the wrong pair of trousers...and this all about the search for the some cheese, Gromit.
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Shows NEXT WEEKS EPISODE DR. LINUS PREVIEW
Very Spoilerly!
http://spoilerslost.blogspot.com/2010/03/episode-607-dr-linus-sneak-peek.html -
Looks like the MIB name is...
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Jerriah or that's what it sounds like. Where did we see that name before? -
I was over in last week's episode talkback reply to ya not realizin this new talkback was already up.
Herc is setting records these days for how fast he's getting LOST talkbacks up! Anyways...there's some juicy morsels remaining at the old TB if you're interested. -
That's not the MIB's name, that's Sayid's last name. -
Too much spoiler talk going on. See you all after "Sundown".
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This season has been pretty mediocre so far, and I am getting the beginning of season 3 vibes. Hopefully this shit picks up.
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A few points If the lighthouse seems reminiscent of the cave, rather than be disappointed by a lack of originality, or some such, I prefer to appreciate the parallels between how Smokey and Jacob are developing Sawyer and Jack, respectively. Grooming them, as it were. Revok, the show went out of its way to give us a continuous shot from the window of 815 to the bottom of the ocean, clearly establishing that the island is sunk in the flash-sideways reality. Last thing, the two timelines diverged, it seems clear to me, in 1977. That would mean everything on Earth has been slightly different since then. There's no way to calculate or predict the extent of the ripples from the butterfly event. Ethan's folks could have met and conceived him somewhere else, for example, but his life would be completely different.
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Claire's axe might be reasonable given how the Others had treated her, and how that specific Other was ready to kill her.
But is she acting 'reasonably' overall? She wanders off, leaving her kid with Sawyer and Miles. Three years later, she's vowing bloody revenge at the thought of Kate taking her kid off the island. Either she's lost the plot, or she has some strange ideas of child-rearing.
@ Darryl_Revok and the general reset discussion: the nuclear blast doesn't completely change the Island's history: otherwise we wouldn't have been shown Dharmatown sunken beneath the ocean waves at the beginning of the season. The nuclear blast doesn't change the broad arc of the 815s lives post-1977 (e.g. Kate is still a killer), but it does change the details (e.g. Jack is a dad). I'm guessing the reason we're seeing Ethan, Ben and Drogen off the Island is because they escaped on the sub in 1977. But i could very easily be wrong... -
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I expect them to get fucked up tonight by Claire and Smokey, so that is a step in the right direction.
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Last week, in the scene where Jack is at his wife/ex-wifes house (referred to as David's mother's house) and he's listening to the old answering machine messages (that were either deliberately saved or never listened to), wel in my opinion the "The Who - Maximum R&B" poster on the wall does not refer to anything or any one Lost related and, in fact, may have NO actual plot related significance at all.Think about it.
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What are your thoughts on the matter-of-fact tone in which she says "This is not John, this is my friend" very well knowing that the face and body *is* that of John. More than anything else, that was what set alarm bells ringing for me.
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The Alt timeline is where out Losties will end up at the end of the season. I hope not, but it seems very likely.
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Claire's smile when she delivers that line is permanently etched on my brain.
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I can imagine a scene where the losties must democratically decide which reality to keep and which to discard. Some will like the new life better, some will have to sacrifice themselves for the group. "But I'll be dead!" - "Yes, well, these other 5 people will all be alive again!" Could be a heartwrenching moment.
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I agree with Goldberg as it makes sense, but I got another kink, hear me out.
Amongst numerous things wiped out in this alternate timeline, is also the fact that Faraday never travelled to 1956 to warn young Widmore's crew about how to properly dispose of Jughead. So, what if it was Jughead's detonation in this alternate timeline that led to sinking of the Island?
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think it will be up to Jack, won't be much democracy about it.
I think there will be a lot of death, only can see Jack and Hurley making it to the end to be in a position to make a decision. Maybe Sun as well. -
..and when you die on the island your enter the alt timeline. Sounds stupid as fuck but when Juliet was about to die she seemed to be in "another place". And she told Miles "it worked". Just throwing it out there.
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not 4 letters. JK
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One is as real as the ..'Other' ..get it. ya understand from whence the 'others' are 'coming' from?
It is not a coda or a prologue in epilogue or whatever man.. It is synchronous to events occurring. One informs the other and vice-y versa virtue-y.
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Have they ever show or told how it was that Ben took over leadership of the others from Eloise? I don't recall it. It seems like a missing piece of the puzzle.
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to my comments re Jacob, could see Smokey saying to Sayid "The day Jacob touched you, yes he saved your life, but why didn't he save Nadia's life, he was there, he could have saved her too, but he didn't, he didn't just manipulate you for his own means, he allowed the most important person to you to die, this is who Jacob is"
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I liked Jack's flash-sideways with the new son.
And so what if Claire isn't "evil". As far as we've seen, she's the new Rousseau, and Rousseau wasn't "evil".
Yes, she's teamed up with UnLocke, but who is to say that UnLocke is evil? We haven't enough evidence yet to choose between Team Jacob and Team Esau.
Until Darlton definitively shows that Jacob's the good guy and UnLocke's the bad guy, I ain't taking anything for granted.
I mean, why should I assume the Temple Others are the good guys? In the little war between Jacob and Esau, it's not like either of the two "deities" have been entirely truthful with anybody.
The Temple Others might be sincere, but they can still be wrong.
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my guess is that she doesn't see John when she looks at him - she sees someone else (probably the Man in Black's earlier form).
i agree that that comes across as full-blown crazy, but it might not be: after all, in the same ep, Hurley could see and talk to Jacob but Jack couldn't. For all we know, it is as rational for Claire to see notLocke as not-remotely-Locke as it is for Hurley to see Jacob (or Miles to listen to spirits, etc). -
Sorry but I strongly disagree that these new flashes are similar to the tired old flashbacks. I think they are extremely interesting, not only because we see just how different these characters (and their lives) are without the island's/Jacobs's influence, but they all seem to be hinting that they have some memory of the island. After all, why would jack suddenly change from being a dick of a dad his whole life and suddenly after this plane ride, he loves his son, is more open and sensitive and wants to be part of his son's life? Clearly, the influence of their time on the island isn't erased even if that timeline is.
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Unless Darlton takes a VERY hard line on what's canon and what isn't, the Dharma Initiative was founded after the Cuban Missle Crisis.
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New Tuesday. Is Dawn in trouble?
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They are built on land, not just floating there. What can sink though is a ship. Ships also have wheels you can move them with and can travel, both things this island has.
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There was a lot of hype about Charlie coming back this season.
I'm beginning to think it will be little more that a cameo. I can't imagine him getting his own flash-sideways episode given he doesn't exist on-island.
My fundamental problem with the 'ALT' timeline, is that it's hard to care for the characters because they still don't feel like the 'real' ones. This might change when more is revealed
It's a bit like Dr Who whenever the Dr split in two, and one half went away with Rose. It always seemed a cop-out that she didn't end up with the *actual* Doctor, even if the other one was basically the same. -
Well other than the water level rising of course due to natural conditions around it changing, but that isn't what we're talking about. I meant can't sink in the way people are talking about here. Can't sink like a ship sinks.
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Happy Jack wasn't old, but he was a man.
He lived in the sand at the Isle of Man.
The kids would all sing, he would take the wrong key,
So they rode on his head in their furry donkey.Ωh my!
If that's what youz be sayin. That.. Who single was "Happy Jack" - A side ..and "Whiskey Man" - B side ..."I've been away.."
Whiskey Man's my friend, he's with me nearly all the time
He always joins me when I drink, and we get on just fine
Nobody has ever seen him, I'm the only one
Seemingly I must be mad, Insanity is fun
If that's the way it's done...
Right on Kitty. Right on. Skipping record indeed.
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Well, Hugo has been known to see dead folks earlier too, like way Miles can talk to them. So the thought that Claire can see him for what he is, makes it even more creepy, though I like the idea.
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As I said, I wasn't sure if Dharma existed in some form during that time period.
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Or have polar bears on 'em.
Or giant black smoke monsters.
Or diametrically-opposed demigods.
Or massive pockets of electromagnetic energy.
Or ghosts of dead relatives.
Or jungle people who do not age.
Or Juliette's sweet sweet boobies.
So, I ain't gonna call out any idea for being "unrealistic" when it comes to LOST. -
Will the above listed be spoileriffic? Cause I'm just viewing the headers and trying to calm my troll rage.
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I wasn't criticizing the show, I was saying I thought the island might be a ship of some kind.
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Another land that slipped beneath the waves.
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HAHAHAHA
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Good observation. Ive heard this theory before but thats the first time I heard something convincing.
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most of the talk is the ending, what is the alt universe, so unless Darlton is posting with the final ep not yet filmed, don't think there is any spoilers.
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I toss out a nonsensical non-sequitur about the Who Maximum R&B poster in the background and MacFaux ties it in to the Happy Jack single. See, I believe a smaller replica of that famous poster was included with the Live at Leeds album, so I didn't connect it to the Happy Jack single or the implication that on the LA X side of reality we have a Happier Jack than we're used to.Although I suppose Leeds is an Isle, isn't it?No, Rizzo, I don;t think connecting the Who poster to our Happier Jack is "spoil-y" and as for the one much higher in the talkback, no, I don;t think the fact that Hurley will still be overweight in the series finale episode should really come as a surprise to anyone or ruin anyone for anybody.Seriously, if you're been watching Lost for five years and a month and your big concern is "Will Hugo Reyes ever lose weight from all that running around in the jungle and sweating", you may be missing the bigger picture.
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Mar 02, 2010 8:54:59 AM CST
onezeroone: i wouldn't rule out that MIB might be Christian too
by newc0253
They haven't made clear who or what Christian is & I think there's lots of evidence either way.
I tend to think he isn't the MIB but something separate: e.g. he hangs around in Jacob's cabin, gives fairly specific instructions re moving the Island, has an interest in both his kids (Jack and Claire), etc.
On the other hand, MIB/Smokey can appear as lots of people, he could appear as Christian too. Plus, from what we now know about crazy Claire, he seems to have been a pretty major influence in making her crazy.
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Since Keamy is pretty dead, unless they're going all Xombi season on us, I expect we'll be seeing the LA X version of Keamy this week.But I wonder if we'll be seeing Temple Others Cindy, Zach and Emma or LA X Cindy, Zach and Emma? Probably the Temple residents, since there'd be no reason for the Children's fates off island to be connected to a flight attendant from a plane that came to LA on. Unless they actually manage to give us separate Cindy, Zach and Emma cameos. Which I can't see as being very likely in a Sayid-centric episode. Especially since LA X 2004 Zach and Emma would have been three years younger than the 2007 Temple other versions.So I guess I pretty much answered my own ponder. But if we see Xombi Keamy I will be surprised as heck.
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Needs a new/better hobby? Yeah, I thought so.
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about des = william wallace last week, cant believe people have run with it (if i was indeed the first to say it)
my initial thought was des is the person coming back so i made a leap to the wallace name afterwards as a joke.
i have no problem with the flash sideways per say, its the length of time they take up in the show. i know its similiar to how the show has always been (50/50 flash) but at this point in time we dont need the lengthy scenes of kate losing her handcuffs, etc.
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Whaaaaaaaaaaat!?
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Whaaaaaaaaaaat!?
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prefer to ignore her.
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First episode: the smoke monster isn't a what, it's a who. The fate of the stewardess. Then: what happened with Claire. Two most recent episodes: additional significance of The Numbers. Discussion of fan theory about Adam & Eve.I'd consider those examples of "answers coming fast and furious". The season is only 1/3rd over, more answers will be coming before the ned.
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Did I miss the memo about the spelling of Zombie?
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troll vs troll. believe it. now watch them bite!
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Or the WHAT the fuck are you talking about?
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Mar 02, 2010 9:08:55 AM CST
everyone i hear discussing this season says its GARBAGE.
by redhorsevector
and i just sit there laughing and laughing and laughing...
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the promos really don't help with impatient viewers or the viewers who really just want to read the last few pages of this "book".
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did anyone else think it looked like a mini tawaret statue? looked like an animal skull with a fake babies body. havent seen many hippos in lost yet tho to get the skull from
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Mar 02, 2010 9:12:50 AM CST
No, those are answers. They just arent spelled out for retards
by toughguyrizzo
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Did you not catch the part where it was explained how Jacob watched and selected the characters, altered their fates, and brought them to the island as candidates so that they can ultimately use their free will to make a fateful decision? And this explains what the show has been about for six years?
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get the impression there people sitting at home with a checklist of the questions they want answered, waiting to tick off all the questions and then shout out Bingo!!
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Hi troll. We covered this in our previous talkback. Please get on board and go to coaxial and re-read before posting this shit.
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Nooooooo! Stop ruining the show with these spoilers! Well I guess you're right, it does suck. Fuck LOST!
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I can't help but hope (and I really think so, too) that all the flash-sideways detail will relevant when we come to the point where the timelines converge or somehow interact with one another. Short of that eventuality, all the LA X scenes would truly be pointless and a big disappointment.
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Actual LOST discussion, anyone? I'm really starting to get on board with the idea of the island working similarly to the Bleed in The Authority comic books. This arterial highway connecting all realities.
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Look, I certainly don't mean to foment a comparative discussion between Atheists and believers in conventional Judeo-Christian religions. Because we all know how dull and off-the-topic-of-Lost those incredibly polite, civilized and well reasoned debates can be.But given the Hypothetical of the existence of a Hell, a netherworld afterlife designed for the punishment of evil for all eternity... Well, remember Devil Flanders stuffing damned Homer with his donut machine? Well, one image of Hell is the "too much of whatever you lusted after" and the other is "an eternity of whatever you hate."In the case of sci-fi geeks, TV fanatics and internet trolls, Hell would be to be eternally forced to watch a TV show you hate, then try to discuss it with people who have contempt for you and scorn everything you have to say.Lost trolls who show up here every week to let us know they hate Lost, and yet keep on watching the show and posting here anyway... well, they've made their own Hell on Earth here, haven't they?Schaedenfreude, baby. I love people telling me why I shouldn't like things I enjoy. It means I'm having a better time than they are.
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you what? one thing im not is a fucking troll, go try that shite on someone else
granted i only started posting this season so scuse me if im not a regular, but im beginning to realise why its taking me 6 seasons to post and just reading here instead. wheres the ignore button?? -
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I like this idea more than any other. Which is also why I like the idea that the island works as a point of intersection for all these different realities. It at least on a basic level, provides, at least to my liking, a good explanation for almost all of what we've seen.
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Yes, you are a troll. A regular is not a troll, you, in fact are.
So please tell us why it's taken you 6 seasons to post.
BTW, you'll NEVER find an ignore button on here. -
crezwell is probably lostchild... see...they bite!
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I'm new here too. Never heard or seen you act like a troll. For some reason there's alot of "this is our club and if you weren't one of the first you're a troll regardless of what you say" going on. Try not to take it too personally. I, btw, don't get the point of the fake baby. It seemed like overkill. If there is some significance to it. The writers did a shitty job of setting it up. Which I'm willing to grant but I hope not.
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We don't need no new-fangled edit or ignore buttons or auto-formatting or anything the snotty kids take for granted these days. We still talkback uphill both ways barefoot through snow up to our collar bones. And we like it.
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think that was my original view on the island, still VALIS like but existing as a constant across all realities.
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I thought it was people like lostboy who just post shit about people and the show but don't respond to actual debate. Why does infrequency in a tb make you a troll.
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What am I talking about? Is this talkback already too long for you to read it? I put up a joke theory that the Who poster in the room at David's mother's house - the one with the phone answering machine with the saved messages - had no significance. Sort of a joke riff on the folks who try to squeeze meaning out of every tiny detail on the screen.But MacFaux came back and cited a "significant" link that may also have been a joke: That poster was used to promote the bands single "Happy Jack". MacF labeled this as "spooil-y" so when you asked about a message labeled spoiler "up above" I thought that might be the one you were referring to and I wanted to assure you that it was not.Hey, I've been here under other names for six years but I've never worked on Lost so when I post something that starts with "Here's how Lost ends" it's usually a joke. However if you read 200 serious such theories, odds are someone will hit on a few of the series finale points eventually. Th one above here labeled "spoilerific" was "Hurley will still be fat" which probably comes as no surprise.PS, Tuffin: about that abhorantly offensive word you used above in one of your subject lines? "No, you are."
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Don't suppose you could "cliffs-notes" VALIS for me. I read up on it when it first surfaced as a inspiration, but can't really recall the specifics.
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OMG I know, right? What the hell is wrong with this stupid show and the stupid people who like it? You know what I hate the most, though...
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guess im not in the "cool" club eh!! i dont take it personally and i dont bite, but if someone had actually read my posts theyd see im not a troll.
just another persons posts to skip from now on tho i guess. i was joking about the ignore button, you should try it sometime, joke i mean.
i will answer why its taken me so long to post tho. i live in england, which means we're late to the party (or the club if you like) and so by the time ive seen the episode the talkbacks massive and moved on. but as its the last year and i dont watch a great deal other tv i thought "fuck it", ill post. but i only post prior to the show unless im really bored at work, which i am right now. -
dude! give crezwell a break, hes not trolling!
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God is a piece of technology that transmits directly to our brains. We're not fully functional, however, receive the transmissions imperfectly.
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Seriously? Just a blank screen for an hour? abc's really dropping the ball. Thanks for the heads up.
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But at the same time, I can dish LOST talk.
Sory if I call out bulshitters. I feel like the "group" here has invested 6 seasons worth of talkback. The rest of the trolls just jump on the season 6 bandwagon. -
honestly really enjoyed the book, had a quick look on wikipedia, and summary there is reasonable if you are not interested in reading the book.
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Thanks. It would definitely be a catch all answer since you can't really go wrong with "God did it". I just hope there is a Warren Ellis/ Kurt Vonnegut style explanation for all of it. A crazy mash up a psychedelia/religion/and meta-physics.
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Im goin back to Des trying to keep Charlie from dying, that the universe has a way of course correcting. I think Des, and the detonation of the bomb, and the Alterna-verse are all part of a VERY complex 12 Monkeys type of situation. Everything that has happened is all interlinked, and had to happen. The Universe has been dealt some serious blows with all of these incidents, incidents that have caused paradoxes and so the Universe attempting to course correct.
By detonating the bomb the Losties would have reset the timeline...but if so than they would never have been able to go back in the first place to detonate the bomb. Paradox. So the Universe course corrected by creating this alternate timeline. The cool thing about this is that its not the same type of alternate dimension you would find with the multi-verse theory. Those types of universes "in theory" are natural and constantly occurring. The Alternaverse created by the Losties is a forced alternate dimension, the result of an action that could have potentially destroyed the Universe (if you follow the Doc Brown theory of universe-ending paradoxes).
There is more going on here, obviously, with Jacob and all that shit. Im still very convinced in all of this that Jack, Locke, and Sawyer are the ones to watch, with Desmond being the variable that will ultimately be the key to unraveling this whole thing. -
Yeah it really is on my list. I got like 30 Alan Moore books for Christmas and am just about done with them and then I'm starting Dark Tower. But, eventually, I'll get there.
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I love King, but am stuck at book four of the series.
Just recently finished reading Talisman by King and Straub, loved it. Finally read The Stand a few months ago, also loved it.
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Alright, this is about to get screwy. If we accept that there is the possibility of ever having an alternate time line, then we have to stop looking at time as linear. You can't have linear time in the grand scheme of things if existence can be split, we would only experience it that way. And if time doesn't exist progressively then, technically there is always multiple realities existing all on top of one another. So while you would becorrect for the people experiencing those events(i.e.; reality not splintering until the bomb). That has always been. And will always be. WHH, and such.
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(but not you toughguy) when im through watching the episode Wednesday night.
unless i see something profound and feel the need to post somthing that hasnt already been saeid ill be back for more fun and frolics next tuesday. ive been crezwell, youve been a greeeeaaaat audience. -
"psychedelia/religion/and meta-physics" Oh, VALIS has all that. Dick had his own style that was sort of syncretic of mysticism and sci fi. I'll get an argument on this next point, but I always felt that AKD and Jack Parsons (as persons, not as authors, clearly, as Parsons wasn't much of one) had some certain something in common. A lust, perhaps, more than a style. If you're not familiar with what Parsons did, it's a fascinating tale of foolish genius.
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If you haven't, you should read Slaughterhouse Five. Great stuff about the time travel aspects of LOST. I really liked The Stand and actually just read the Cap. Tripps books. Good stuff if you liked The Stand and don't mind comic books.
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Just skimmed Parson's on wikipedia. Thank you, sir. I love reading stories like that. Now I'm gonna spend the day reading up on this crazy bastard.
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Exactly. All this already happened, but the story has been unfolding from the perspective of the characters. Maybe kind of a duh thing to say, but if we can assume that all this has happened from the perspective of the Losties who dont know wtf is going on, but all these things have unwittingly been cause by them, the question, then, is why? Why did Jacob and MIB bring them to the island in the first place to cause all this stuff from happening? Why has he been manipulating all of them in place in order to get all of these things to happen?
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Cause last weeks LOST tb was kinda done. I called you out, and you reacted exactly like every toll does.
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One thing that I think is really important to point out is that up until this point the Others and Dharma have been sort of on the inside track about all of these things happening. But now that the bomb was detonated pretty much everyone, except for MAYBE Jacob and MIB, dont know whats going to happen. Eloise made this clear at the end of last season. As of now, everything happening on the island, as far as we know, is unexplored history.
Hmm, maybe kind of a duh thing, but this thought just popped into my head, kinda helps me to organize how the story has worked. The villains in the story keep unfolding. In Season 1 and 2 we thought it was Dharma who knew what was going on. Season 3 and 4 we thought it was the Others who knew what was going on. Season 5 we thought it was Widmore and Ben. But it all has unfolded to show that even all of them were "Lost" in their own way. The question now is, does Jacob and MIB know what is going on, or are they two "Lost" in a manner of speaking? Maybe its because they are Lost that they have caused all of this to happen. Maybe Jacob and MIB are looking for their own answers and its pushed them to cause all these things in order to find them. -
and I wouldn't like you if you got angry. I might if you didn't, though.But there is no "group" with proprietary claim to the Lost talk-back at AICN. It's a public forum and if someone decides to drop in for the first time and make a comment or two, that does not make them a troll.As for the "group", the AICN Lost TB has evolved over the years. I think there are still a few spoiler=avoiding and troll shunning regulars hanging out in the previous season finale talkback. A few who visit the troll-free zone at Room 23. Some who've dropped out along the way. A couple who've stayed in touch with Napoleon Park over at facebook. A number of us who came back from being banned a bit more cowtowed and less garrulous and more civilized, with different IDs. And, sadly, at least one old friend we know of in prison. So that old "group" is too widely scattered to claim ownership of this public forum.Just like a Yahoo group, a forum like this needs fresh blood to keep it alive and new ideas to keep it from growing stagnant, so though you may see yourself as the defender of the clubhouse, frankly, you're not doing anyone here any favors by trying to shoo away the newbies. Play nice and try to make some new friends. We're all here to discuss Lost. Except for the texassstampontroll who just keeps coming back because he's addicted to the abuse.
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I predict 3 separate camps, firstly the ones who feel let down and disappointed who will be vocal, secondly the ones who felt it was a fitting finale and have lots to reflect upon and finally the group who didn't understand it so decided to whine about it on the forums.
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That there is any significance to the fact that back in season 1, the warning that the others were coming was a fire made to produce a black column of smoke rising into the sky. Is this somehow related to Ole Smokey?
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...and his story could make for an interesting film IMHO. Though I do imagine that The Church of Scientology might have some problems with the necessary portrayal of Hubbard as nothing but a conman. The truth hurts, as they say.
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you may have never gotten the point of this entire series.
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Its just tough to hear complete bullshit from people who havent been on talkbacks ever.
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Cause what you says matters on here. People really DO respect your word.
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Mar 02, 2010 10:49:33 AM CST
I hope they move towards the alt-universe end game soon
by hoichitheearless
I'm a little leary that the entire season is going to be flash-sideways based. It's pretty clear there will be some kind of crossover between the timelines (perhaps the biggest hint is that they're making the trademark "woosh" sound like it's breaking down). But other than the rickety-woosh and Jack's feeling of deja-vu when he spoke to Desmond, this has been slow to develop. I hope it doesn't take all season for it to move towards the end game. The alt-universe is moderately interesting but not enough to maintain as the narrative structure for the entire season.
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Thanks man. I thought Rizzo was cool, but you've set me straight. Fuck that guy. And, you're right you can put gay in his name instead of guy. Oh, man wicked burn. How's that feel Rizzo. You got burned big timed. Way to serve a punk,lostboy. You're the man, now, dog.
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(when is this site going to update it's shitty talkback system?) About the "others" warning, it wasn't the others who set the fire. It was a ruse by Rousseau.
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Wanna know why I didnt POST shit?
In the last 10 years I was in the US NAVY. Stationed all around the world. I might have read in, but never had a greatest internet connection.
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Dude it's over. lostboytexass fucking destroyed you. You have no reason to live. You should kill yourself, but mostly cuz you're gay like he said. And being gay is the worst thing anyone could ever be. Thats what makes it such a perfect insult.
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Who attacked Josh? Too easy. Really?
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Who attacked Josh? Too easy. Really?
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It was a ruse? Ok, I admit its been a while since I watched season 1. I do recall Sayid and Charlie pursuing Russo to the source of the black smoke, but didn't recall that Russo had set it herself - did she?
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Whatever you say.....means something.
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Dude, I'm being sarcastic. I appreciate your input. I just can't stand lostboytexass.
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I am not lostboytexass. I don't hate gay people, nor do I think Rizzo should kill himself. I thought the sarcasm would come through since I was laying it on pretty thick.
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All right i have been looking for scars (echoes of alternaverse) in the main timeline. And something has always bugged me when does jack and or claire realize they are brother and sister. Did i just overlook these eps or have claire and jack never had the im your brother talk?
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I am still expecting something unusual to happen in the alt flashback stories. they are so apparently uneventful to telling the ending to Lost. At least to me...
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So if island Jack and Frank were to get on a plane and fly off the island, straight to Los Angeles, and then Jack were to take a cab to his house, would he then meet himself? If flash sideways are not an alternate reality, then there are now two of each of the Losties in existence in the same reality?
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i remember the ep where claires mom is in the coma with Christian. I think jack/kate found out about claire in the flash-forwards if i recall.
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... since we were shown that the island was "sunk" and now is under water.
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last week's episode was great...awesome storytelling...the alt timeline is important...Herc obviously is not a hard core fan of the show...if you don't get the show then don't watch
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it was at christians funeral in the flash forward
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Then perhaps there are two islands .... one sunk in 1977 and an additional one that the Losties are now on. The one that was sunk was where everything was going to shit. And the new one is where the Losties are now becoming aware of their role in the larger war, starting with Jack realizing that he actually is important.
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Yeah the first 5 seasons were awesome but, this season, this is the one that sucks. Good observation. I never would have noticed that otherwise.
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I got your sarcasm bro. It was pretty obvious. Dude's just let the troll get under his skin.
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Mar 02, 2010 11:33:01 AM CST
Or perhaps the Losties did in fact die when the bomb went off
by lamerz
They are on the island, which is in fact underwater. How could that be? The on-island Losties are not, in fact, alive. Instead, their souls are on the island and it appears to them that they are alive and that the island is above water as it used to be.Hmmmmmmm...
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FUCK.
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FUCK.
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You know they're going to do it
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But I really really hope number 108 is Walt. That would tie nicely into the beginning of the series and the 'specialness' of Walt. If you recall, he had a lot of similar characteristics of jacob / smokey - psychic, ability to transport / project himself, 'listen' to the island.
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When you're trying to make sense of the 2 realities, we've been seeing 2007 in the original reality and 2004 in the new one. Overlooking that detail can cause much needless brain-twisting.
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Thank you so much for that. AIDS? Really? Best you got than. Thanks for exposing yourself yet again.
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its not souls the island exists outside of time, space, and reality Faraday plays a bigger role in all this stuff. And Desmond will probably come back with Faraday and Chuck Widmore. Just some thoughts bored today.
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Yeah, get him. Stupid gay fuck, coming to a LOST talkback to talk constructively about LOST. This is for people who hate it!
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High five. Some people just refuse to accept it.
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Cause, seriously, he got me. What, no AIDS comment LChild? Josh, thanx for the clarification.
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Might Sayid be seen as a replacement to Richard? Dunno why but just thought about it and I imagine Richard took the same "bath" Sayid did, perhaps has a shady past as a sailor or captain on the Black Rock, and their temperments seem similar. I know, this is way out there, just something that popped in my head I thought Id shoot out there.
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I thought Jacob just told Hurley that in orderto get Jack to "come back" metaphorically.
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You're a dick, but I thought that last post was fucking funny. more of that, please. Less of the other.
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... from previous seasons. Only the flash sideways now. The flash forwards from previous seasons are gone now as a result of the 1977 reset. Now (in S6) both the on island and off island stuff are in 2004, right? I was saying that the events on and off island in S6 are occurring at the same time, in the same reality. That there are two Jacks in 2004 in the same reality.
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Dude are you hitting on me? Cuz I heard you were gay from a pretty reliable source. And that is fucking gross. The very idea of gay people is so gross to me, that it is the only/best insult I can think of. Hey is there any research to suggest that my anonymous hatred of gay people is really because I myself am gay?
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I'm seeing a lot of people who think the changes in the timeline happened in 2004 on the plane. This is not the case. The timeline diverged at the very least back in 1977 when they detonated the bomb and quite possibly even earlier. So their lives are better because there have been almost 40 years for each of the timelines to play out differently. That's a lot of time for things to change.
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The reset did not happen in 2004. It was 1977.
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In the season opener? Was that a transfer wound? Did I miss something?
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S6 has been pretty solid thus far, but if Desmond is really returning (just speculation, not a spoiler), this season is going to go from very good to amazing FAST.
And if I were Jin, I'd be like "Oh ya, ya Kate did take your baby. You should probably take an axe to her head. Yup." -
http://tinyurl.com/yjponzf - Lockehttp://tinyurl.com/8ypbzh - Benhttp://tinyurl.com/yh436jb - JackHmmmm...any ideas out there? Was Jack laying over the Island's "Entrance" maybe? Forgive me if it's already been discussed.
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This may have been mentioned but if not: Maybe Claire wants to kill Kate, not because she took and raised her baby, BUT because she took her baby off the island. That idea makes it more believable to me why she would want to kill Kate. I think the real reason she might be "crazy" is because she can see the truth behind a lot of what is going on, that maybe she can now see MIB for what he truly is and not any guise he has on. And she would be mad at Kate because she understand that for everything to play out, Aaron needs to be back on the island (and with Claire)
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I agree Myamoto and the rest who say if you didn't like last weeks episode, and didn't appreciate jacks struggles, both on and off the island, especially off the island with his son, you probably aren't really as big a fan of the series as you think you are. Once again, Jack was entirely consistent with his character, no one writes hm quite like darlton. And how much of this series has revolved around daddy issues? Oh, that's right, almost all of it. Especially jacks, and seeing his attempt to break that cycle was wonderful. Sorry Herc, your post this week is an utter fail. I usually agree with you in the coax, but that shit is way off.
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hahahahahahaha! I get it cuz the sentence doesn't make sense. Implying that Cuse is an idiot. Which he obviously is, what with him being a millionaire a few times over due to his massively shitty TV show. What a fucking stupid worthless fuck. He should troll on talkbacks. That is true creativity and genius.
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If you mean that Richard is ageless because of presumably being dipped in the temple spring, I think not. Ben was also (presumably) dipped in the spring but continues to age. I think the source of Richard's agelessness is, as Richard himself said before, due to Jacob directly.
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Tru dat. It was a stretch.
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Mar 02, 2010 12:19:13 PM CST
watch Lost in reverse from season 5 to 1. It all makes sense!!
by thedannerdaliel
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To me the fake baby had the look of the 'egyptian" statue (Taweret?), anyone get that impression?
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Refuse to accept that the Altern-verse is 2004 not 2007.
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than 1977. Think about it, The DI had already decided to evacuate the island and Ben had been taken to the temple by Richard before Jughead went off. If the the reset was at that moment then how did Ben get off the Island to become a nerdy European history teacher in the altline? Also Ethan had just been born to Amy and Horace Goodspeed and it can be assumed was on the submarine with his mother. That would seem to indicate that in the previous timeline he came back to the island at some point and became an other. It seems pretty obvious to me that the split happened before 1977 but I can't find anything to suggest when it did happen. Only thing I can think of is maybe the timeline was altered as far back as the earliest appearance of the time travelers when they were skipping. Like they left some sort of trace which the energy released during The Incident honed in on. If that's the case the split could have been triggered centuries ago when they saw the statue and the well where the orchid would later be built. Thoughts, criticisms?
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ok...the flash forwards from previous seasons still happened. now...the events on the island in S6 are taking place in 2007 because Sun and the rest of the folks who just buried Locke's body have not time-shifted since leaving the island, spending 3 years in civilisation and crashing-landing their plane back on the island again - 2007.
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no evidence for this, but if babys born on the island are important, perhaps Richard was born there (maybe from some woman on Black Rock), and Jacob has the power to extend the life of such a child. They can be killed, but may live a long long time...maybe as soldiers/deciples of Jacob.
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So now you know the secret. I've had a lot of vicodin today...wee! psi.
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In seasons 4/5 flash foward off island stuff was 2007. That's why I thought the off island events in 2004 are occuring simultaneously and in the same reality as the on-island events.
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FUCK.
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I totally agree. It just has all the markings of a misdirect, for it to be 77. I feel like it will have to be an event we haven't seen.
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Mar 02, 2010 12:34:46 PM CST
djdrew5150: They haven't had "the talk" in either timeline.
by royston lodge
In Reality#1, Jack & Kate found out on the mainland that Claire is Jack's brother. But Jack has NOT been face-to-face with Claire since he has returned to the island. Jack doesn't even know if Claire is alive or not.
In Reality#2, as was previously mentioned, Jack has just found out that Claire exists (thanks to his dad's will) but he still doesn't know that she's his sister.
Claire, of course, doesn't know Jack's her brother in either reality.
As an aside, I think it's interesting that the writers made Jack & Claire brother and sister, and yet didn't give Jack and Claire a particularly close relationship while they were on the island. Jack was way friendlier with other characters. To Jack, Claire seemed like "just another Lostie".
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In Reality#3, it turns out that the Valenzetti Equation is actually a FUCKING EDIT BUTTON!!!!!
Sign the "AICN Edit Button Petition":
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I think I agree with you. That makes sense. If it did happen I would guess it happened around the time Widmore was still young on the island, when the bomb was first brought there. I think it was like the 50s.
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I forget...what exactly happened when they were in the 50s? Aside from Faraday getting shot...
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I've heard that Damon said that the island sank because of Jughead, but they've also said plenty of stuff in the past that ended up being total bullshit. Which when you think about it, wouldn't you. If you could throw people off and do a really big flash-forward reveal, why wouldn't you say "there will be no time travel". Doesn't cost them a thing. So for that reason I am holding out hope for a big reveal as the reason the island is underwater.
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Much has been made of the fact that Jack recognizes Desmond on the plane. It's supposed to be evidence that AlternaJack has memory fragments from the island.
But is there any reason that the nuke would prevent Jack from meeting Desmond during their late-night run at the sports stadium?
Is there really any reason that the sinking of the island would prevent either Desmond or Jack from being at the stadium at that moment in Reality#2?
Only reason I can think of would be if Widmore has been killed before he had a chance to father Penny. But that would contradict the theory I like that the reason babies can't be born on the island is that people have to exist in both realities. If Penny only exists in one reality, that would tear the baby theory to shreds. -
"...the reason babies can't be born on the island is that people have to exist in both realities." That I hadn't thought of this before, Royston. Brilliant.
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Well Desmonds life would be quite different regardless. If it wasnt for Penny he wouldnt have gone on his trip but even if he had the island wouldnt have been there anyway.
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What could have changed due to the explosion is crazy enough to think of without the thought of the other group left behind that joined dharmaville in like 74 could have rippled out and touched. Ben is a problem dont understand how he'd be off the island or dogon like i heard earlier it seems like hes been there for a ricard length of time (derived from his opinions on the english language) just a feeling. Sawyer is running a con but I dont think is awre that lockes dad is the Sawyer hes been looking for. As a potential foil to his plan another way for Smokey to manipulate regardless...
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locke kills desmond in episode 12. hurley eats a bus in episode 14. the island's history is divulged in episode 15. one of these is false.
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Something about his travels always confused me. Unlike the main group of Losties his travels did not seem to have affected anything until he actually started to jump. This seems different from the main Losties who we have been told have been affecting the timeline as far back as 1950 or even before.
So what the hell is different about Des?! Seems like he is time traveling more in line with a Back to the Future type time travel as opposed to the Losties who were traveling 12 Monkeys style. But even then he has never physically travelled, only mind traveled, and one time he reverse-mindtraveled, had his younger self in control, and then ANOTHER time his memories changed for some reason when Farady spoke to him in the past. WTF?! I love it, but its damn confusing. -
They need to get Desmond back on the show asap. Fav character.
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...belonged to Jacob. unLocke took Sawyer to a cave. The cave had names. Jacob gave Hurley instructions to get to the lighthouse and to take Jack. At the cave, unLocke took a white rock off a scale and threw it; he crossed off Locke's name on the wall. Jack destroyed the lighthouse "mechanism" that also had names on it, with several names crossed off. Isn't it possible the lighthouse belongs to Man in Black and the cave belongs to Jacob? Maybe Jack did exactly what Jacob expected and wanted to happen.
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Do we? I didnt...
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to me though.
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You're right about Jacbo & the Lighthouse. It's been stated before that Jacob dislikes technology, and the cave is low tech compared to the lighthouse contraption.
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The baby theory is NOT MINE. It was mentioned by someone else in a different talkback.
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Even if Penny exists, her life would have been completely different. Papa Widmore is likely dead, or if he's not, his life is different as he's no longer obsessed with the island. It was really Papa Widmore who was the impetus for Desmond wanting to train for the sailing race. If there's no island does Widmore's race even exist and is Desmond training in the stadium where he runs into Jack? Seems like a good chance they would not have previously met in the alternative timeline.
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You know, looking at the lostpedia website, I remembered it wrong. Rousseau did kidnap Claire's baby, but I thought the black smoke was part of the distraction. Actually she did really think the pillar of smoke was generated by the others and there's probably nothing to indicate it wasn't. My bad.
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You know, looking at the lostpedia website, I remembered it wrong. Rousseau did kidnap Claire's baby, but I thought the black smoke was part of the distraction. Actually she did really think the pillar of smoke was generated by the others and there's probably nothing to indicate it wasn't. My bad.
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...really wanna read and comment but i wanna go into this ep wit NO knowledge... just remember your step daddys theories!
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Who is to say that the cave OR the lighthouse belong to Jacob? Do we KNOW that Jacob wrote all the names on the cave wall? Did UnLocke ever SAY that it was Jacob keeping track of all these names and numbers? He said, "Jacob has a thing for numbers," but I don't think he ever said that Jacob wrote the names down, or that it was Jacob who actually assigned the numbers.
Here's a crazy theory: Esau knows that "Jacob has a thing for numbers", so he'd been filling Jacob's imagination with all this stuff regarding The Numbers.
Maybe Esau assigned the numbers to each of the "candidates".
Maybe Esau is even the one who CHOSE the "candidates", and Jacob can been unwittingly dancing to Esau's fiddle?
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lostboys comments...he/she is funny (as long as you dont read them thinkin you have to defend losts honor and actually have a sense of humor)
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he's funny until he posts a giant spoiler. which he's done.
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Please refrence wikipedia as your source for all knowledge. Genius.
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Assuming that the timelines diverge in 1977, I think Widmore should be alive in Reality#2. He was exiled from the island long before 1977.
If Widmore's alive, I think it's safe to assume that he is still a super-rich businessman. After all, evidence suggests that he has an extended lifespan, and his company is connected to the company that originally owned the Black Rock.
I think it's also safe to assume that he's still interested in the island. Since we know Dharmaville existed, it's safe to assume the Others also existed, and that Widmore was their leader at one point.
So, assuming all this (Widmore's alive, fathered Penny, is rich-as-fuck, and still has interests in the island), is there any reason why his poor opinion of Desmond should change? Is there any reason that, this time around, he actually APPROVES of Desmond? And is there really any reason why he wouldn't sponsor an around-the-world sailing challenge?
Here's how I think Desmond's story will play out:
1) Desmond and Penny meet and fall in love.
2) Widmore doesn't approve.
3) To prove his worth, Desmond enters Widmore's around-the-world race.
4) Desmond and Jack meet at the Stadium.
5) Because the island is at the bottom of the ocean, Desmond completes his around-the-world trip. He might even win the race.
6) The finish line for the race happens to be in Australia. He is on Oceanic Flight 815 making his way back to show Widmore how awesome he is and to claim Penny as his prize.
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. . . maybe Widmore is using his vast resources to find the island's sunken remains?
He had the resources to fake the wreckage of Oceanic 815 after all.
So, assuming that the electromagnetic anomaly has been neutralized, and the sunken island is now finally fixed in time as well as space, finding the remains of the island shouldn't be all that difficult for a man of Widmore's resources.
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Is it just me or am I tired of "THE TIME FOR QUESTIONS IS OVER!" Promo, look you're not answering any questions right now, just adding more. So please cut it out, I know you're not going to answer any questions until the last 2-3 episodes so please cut it the hell out. Last week's episode was boring as hell. And I'm tired of Jack going all Incredible Hulk on everything weird and mystical. Funny how he didn't do that when they were trying to heal Sayid. When you see your boy getting drowned. That's a time you can flip out. I'm praying that this episode is at least interesting.
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I also agree with Herc in how much concern I got from Claire's threat. It was exactly the same as Sawyer's laughable. You're not going to do jack. I also agree with how this is feeling like last season. I don't care about the Flashsideways if anything they just do more to piss me off.
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Up here in the Great White North, CTV runs different promos. They're playing up the "you don't want to miss the final season, dooooo you?" angle, rather than promising answers they know they can't deliver.
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cuz the show has become exactly like playing the first myst nice to look at, but boring as hell
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During the scene where Widmore is exiled, Ben is a young man, already the leader who made the decision to banish him. And Widmore himself is old enough to be played by the same actor who plays him in 2004-2007. So how do you figure that Widmore was exiled "long before 1977" when Ben was a boy and Widmore is a younger man played by a younger actor? We've also already seen that whatever split the timelines, whether it's jughead or something more to be revealed later, has caused major divergences that can't easily be explained by the island being destroyed. Jack has a son (Hell, if it's too much to swallow that Desmond's lifepath was altered, it can't be too much to think Jack's has to the point where he wasn't at that stadium). Locke and Helen are still together. Apparently, Locke and his father are on good enough terms that he would be invited to their wedding (so we can assume that whatever put Locke in a wheelchair was not his father throwing him out a window). All these things are different yetit's a stretch that Widmore's lifepath wouldn't be significantly altered by the island he's obsessed with sinking to the bottom of the ocean, leading to different circumstances for both Penny and Desmond? The scene where Jack recognizes Desmond was played in a way to hint that it's more than him recognizing Desmond from the stadium. In the island timeline Jack recognizes Desmond right away even though they met once in a fleeting manner. Why do these differences exist if Desmond's circumstances must remain largely the same?
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I think Sayid's flash-sideways is going to be happy but dull. He gets the girl and things are great. That being said, he's a swarthy muslim man in America in 2004. They could write that he was better off on the island, because there he was an equal, a leader, and a friend. In Reality#2, he's a former Republican Guard and a genuine Iraqi torturer, smack-dab in the thick of the most anti-muslim sentiment in US history.
Back in Reality#1, on the other hand, I'm far more optimistic about the prospects for entertainment. Is he really Sayid, or is Sayid dead and his body has been possessed? Possessed by whom? Jacob? Some other demigod we haven't met yet? Or maybe it IS Sayid, but he isn't "cured" per se but is rather "reanimated"? Or maybe he actually IS healed and the Temple Others are just crazy? Or maybe something else entirely? Pretty much every eventuality could lead to some interesting storytelling.
And what's the story with the Temple Others? Are they good guys? Are they bad guys? What's their relationship to Richard's Others? Are they working for Jacob or are they Esau's unwitting dupes? Or are they just crazy?
Has Claire gone evil or just Rousseau-shit-crazy? Is UnLocke evil or just misunderstood?
And where the fuck is Vincent?! (heh heh heh...)
Seriously, I like the way this last season has played out so far because the new questions are less about the overall mystery of the island and the metaphysics of how everything works (like the last two seasons). The new questions are more about what's going on inside the characters' heads - their motivations and their challenges.
While I love the sci-fi of the last couple of seasons, it did mean that the characters were pretty much being swept along by the forces around them.
This season, so far the characters are more in control of their destinies. But being in control means they also have to take responsibility for their choices. They can't just say "Ben made me do it" or "time-travel fucks with your head" when they make a mistake.
Plus, I just tend to enjoy Sayid episodes.
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When Widmore was banished. Alexandra was a little girl. Which. Depending on what you believe about what and who's time line / off Island perception.. gives you a verifiable temporal way point to navigate from. What ever that is worth anymore.
Royston? Question. If I 'award' you a Royston Lodge no-prize... is it still loaded with the Honta virus? I am going to make a point on this analogy ...theory in a bit. You might like, as it tracks with your Island infertility theory.
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You are absolutely correct.
Your honour, in light of this new evidence the Crown would like to change its plea of "Widmore is still alive" to "Widmore's corpse is being butt-raped by Ezra J. Sharkington".
Seriously, you are correct, and I feel like a noob.
If the realities diverge in 1977, then Widmore is most likely dead and Penny was never born. Desmond had no reason to race around the world, and thus there would be no reason for him to be at the stadium to meet Jack. Which means there's no rational explanation for Jack recognizing Desmond on the plane.
I'm glad we worked THAT out!
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TOTALLY! This show is so stupid. Answers to your questions-Really really bad(almost as bad as gay people-which are icky).No, it will be more shit. Not a chance, they'll never work in TV again. Your reputation on the other hand will be stellar. Yes, I'm pretty sure he is.Jealous much?
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So he's been on a full year and I've liked about 3 bits he's done: the saved by the bell castmember reunion interviews, and this Lost parody. ("I'm just the bathroom attendant." "Yeah, that was, like, 4 minutes ago." The quick shot of the one guy not screaming in the elevator). so, out of a full year of comedy, that's a fairly bad ratio BUT that was a very good parody. Sometimes the sun shines on a dog's ass once in awhile.
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Awarding me a Royston Lodge No-Prize would be like typing "google" into Google.
It would cause a paradox of such immense proportions that not only would our Universe implode, but the 6 universes adjacent to us would instantly transform into bowls of butterscotch pudding, the 3 universes next to those would expand at such a mighty velocity that all particles would be too far from each other to have any gravitational effect on each other, and the 7 universes after that would all be run by Yugoslavian automotive executives.
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Or was his appearance there another of his jaunts? Perhaps he can travel in both time and space? Jack seemed to wonder where the eff Des went. Didn't he ask Rose about it and she respond that she didn't see? Thought I remembered something like that.
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She did say that, but it feels too early to say who was doing something shady in that scene. All of Roses stuff seemed really weird. About as weird as Desmond suddenly being on the flight.
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...methinks I smell there a signature Darlton red herring. Occam's Razor time: Maybe Rose just never noticed him, like she was reading a magazine or whatever. I don't pay attention to the people around me when I'm on an airplane.
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There's something not upright about these flash sideways. The random appearance of LOSTies in each other's lives feels manipulative. The question I can't help ponder is, why are all the people we're randomly running into people who exist in the original timeline and the answer I keep running back into is that this is a sandbox reality specifically designed to be a "happy ending." It's giving me Last Temptation of Jesus Christ vibes. As if Jack and Co. on the verge of doing what's right, are offered an easy out that they must reconcile and reject before they can accept their unfortunate destinies.
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I'm one of the people that is operating under the assumption that the reset happened in 1977 as a result of the island being sank by Jughead's detonation. If that is the case, then that means that even in the flash-sideways world, Ben was still on the island as a boy, was shot by Sayid, and was saved by the Others. I'm also assuming that young Ben was evacuated off the island with all the DHARMA women and children. When Kate and Sawyer brought wounded young Ben to Richard to be healed, Richard cautioned them that Ben would forevermore be "one of them" if he was saved by the Others. Does that mean in the flash-sideways reality, even though the island has sunk, high school teacher Benjamin Linus still carries the island's influence within him? Does he even remember being on the island as a boy? I wonder how that will all play out.
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Maybe the sense of Deja vu and the appearance of wounds and scars from his island adventure, are clues that the reality's hold on Jack is tenuous and slipping. Perhaps it's he who will lead or "Shepard" the other LOSTies out of this trap and back to their mission.
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Mar 02, 2010 3:09:14 PM CST
I'm gonna have to plot the whole timeline out for myself.
by royston lodge
Lostopedia has done a good job tracking it all, but I think I'll have to print it all out on a long banner to keep it straight in my head.
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Mar 02, 2010 3:10:14 PM CST
If the island sank in '77 that means no Penny or Faraday
by mrekoletmelive
We saw both pregnant Eloise Hawking and Charles Widmore were on the island in '77 before the bomb blew up. Assuming the Hostiles had no way off the island until they commandeered the DHARMA sub, that means that Charles and Eloise would both have died on the island when it sank. That certainly means no Faraday in the flash-sideways reality, and it also means that unless Penny was born before '77, she wouldn't exist either. As far as I know, in the "first" world, Widmore was kicked off the island by Ben sometime in the 80's, after the DHARMA folk had all been killed in the purge. When we saw Charles' exile in season 5, he was being taken off the island in the DHARMA sub, so I'm not sure if Widmore had ever left the island prior to that point.
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If Jacob turns out to be Aaron and MiB turns out to be David Shepherd, well then Christian Shepherd will be the grandfather to both Jacob & MiB. Just a thought.
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Seems like Des only sat next to Jack for a very short while. Jack also didn't see or notice Des getting off the plane? Especially after he for some reason thought he'd met him before? Jack was the last other than Locke to get off, right?That in conjunction with him explicitly asking about his appendix removal, as if he had no idea when it happened, makes me think there's something wierd going on with off island Jack. He's noticing little details, that perhaps don't jibe with his memories. I think pretty soon he's gonna have a major WTF moment, when some detail is going to kick start a recollection of island events. Perhaps meeting Claire for the "first time"? "Waitaminnit, I know I've met you before!"
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maybe this part is all set up for a spin off show: Lost High School, where students learn lessons of life, love, sickness, and confusion at the hands of bickering teachers. They can have Aaron and David go to school there...and maybe Screech.
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I thought the alternate Jack was interesting. This is all leading to something and this season feels like the first in the pacing and the flashes. There have been a few moments that weren't that great but overall it's been very high quality and I can't wait for tonight.
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I was operating under a similar theory, but there are issues.
1) Faraday was the one to convince Chang to evacuate the women and children. If Jughead changes the timeline so that Faraday doesn't go back in time, then the evacuation shouldn't happen and Ben should be at the bottom of the Ocean.
2) If Jughead has changed the timeline so that Faraday never goes back in time to 1954, then the Others don't get his warning that Jughead's casing is cracked, so everybody should have horrible radiation poisoning. Of course, this might actually have happened, so that in Reality#2 the Others were already dead when Dharma came to the island in the 1960s.
Also, there's another bit that you've neglected, but it doesn't really hurt the theory. Ben was with The Others recovering from Sayid's gunshot wound when the women and children were evacuated. But since Jughead changed the timeline so that Sayid never goes back in time, that means Ben was never shot so he would be amongst the evacuees. If they were evacuated. Which they shouldn't have been because Jughead changed the timeline.
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I guess I would prefer the just didn't notice explanation. It just feels more authentic.
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LA X perhaps as a "Matrix" type environment (no, not run by machines) where the minds of the Losties are trapped in a false reality that kind of gives them what they want but is not truly real. Hurley being lucky, Jack turning into the ideal dad, Kate escaping the law and helping Claire (?). Dragon Age (video game) also had a demon character that created a false reality for people that would provide contentment for them and trap them.
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..and the catastrophic consequences of such a foolish act. I can only assume you must be in close contact with the 'Elders of the Internet' ..is the internet still located on the top of Big Ben? Shhh. Do not tell me. Is is more knowledge than a man should know..
I would mention, knock not the fantastic of Warsaw Pact automobiles. As you type to a man who once paid $500 Yankee and drove with pride this sweet beast (even had the Commissar Curtains in the back):
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All black–one great cloud, drawn from east to west,
Conceals the heavens, but there are lights below;
Torches burn in Jerusalem, and cast
On yonder stony mount a lurid glow.
I see men stationed there, and gleaming spears;
A sound, too, from afar, invades my ears.
Dull, measured, strokes of axe and hammer ring
From street to street, not loud, but through the night
Distinctly heard–and some strange spectral thing
Is now upreared–and, fixed against the light
Of the pale lamps; defined upon that sky,
It stands up like a column, straight and high.
I mentioned to Cheif, what I thought the earlier intervening event was.. how far back I think the course correction begins.
BOOM!!! The bomb blew. Like Faraday's rocket taking longer to impact on Island. Imagine the Nuclear bang (and the physical consequences of) vas allzo sent through time and space. Where and or when is that mushroom cloud gonna show up? And what would that mean for those ..'involved'
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I think that Ben's presence in Reality#2 won't be adequately explained, that Darlton didn't think that point through long enough, and really he should be shark poop.
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We are now dealing with two divergent timelines, not one. If the timeline diverged and the new reality was created in 1977 then that means that everything that happened BEFORE the Incident still happened in both time lines. The only time they diverge is once Jughead goes off and the island sinks. That means in Timeline A everything we've seen happened, happened. 815 crashed, the Oceanic 6 left, the Oceanic 6 came back, everyone got lost in time, Sayid shot Ben, yadda yadda yadda. In Timeline A Faraday would still be alive as well, up to the point that he went back to 1977 and is shot by his mother. The only timeline these events DIDN'T happen in would be Timeline B, the timeline in which the island sank in 1977. That means in Timeline B from 1977 on everything would be different because either the island or Jacob were not around to influence the lives of the people who would eventually be the passengers on flight 815. As for young Ben being with the Others at the time the evacuation happened, that could be true. I remember Widmore tells Ben he's going to be returned to his people, but I don't recall if he actually does get back to them or not.
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though. It's not like the island Losties are without their faculties as if their minds are trapped elsewhere.
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Penny Im not sure about but Im fairly certain Faraday was older than 32, but I could be wrong.
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Because CTV carries both American Idol and Lost, and they're both scheduled at the same time on their American stations.
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how about Grandaddy issues??? See my earlier post.
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I'm Stunned the series is finally coming out for sale in April. I loved the few episodes they made, especially the one where the girl keeps screaming at Matthew's character through a glass wall to wake up. "Lost" fans will get a kick out of how the "Haunted" logo is presented. I can't wait to buy it.
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Mar 02, 2010 3:36:09 PM CST
look everybody!! its Lost TB's very own Brick Tamland-- lostBOYt
by jay2517
and he sux GAY COCK!! luvs it i tells u!! GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY COCK!!!!!! such wonderful insights this GAY BOI has. i'm LOST ( LOL ) without them!!!
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i personally never been to high on Jinn/Sun episodes overall. but, its looking good. keep fighting the good fight Rizz...
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The problem is that we do not yet know how the fictional temporal physics at play in LOST actually works.
We do not know how LOST Fictional Temporal Physics accounts for characters who travelled from the future to the past, THROUGH the divergence in the timeline?
On the one hand, if Jughead causes characters to not land on the island, which means they never travel back in time, that means that in Reality#2 anything involving the time-travellers prior to 1977 should never happen. For want of a better term, consider this the "Back To The Future" model where temporal events sorta go back and forth in time from the point of view of the time-traveller.
On the other hand, your model (let's call it the "Bill & Ted" or "Terminator" model) where time is a straight arrow that only goes forward, but can get split in two in 1977, may indeed also be valid.
After all, we're dealing with fiction here. Darlton had set up the temporal physics model any way they choose so long as it's internally-consistent with the rest of the events within the show.
Either way, I say Ben should be shark-food.
In my model, Faraday never warns Chang, the women and children are never evacuated, and Ben ends up at the bottom of the Pacific.
In your model, Ben is with the Others when the women and children are evacuated, so he still should end up at the bottom of the Ocean.
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"You are involving yourself in something that goes back many, many years".
Then it was that the Sabine women, whose wrongs had led to the war, throwing off all womanish fears in their distress, went boldly into the midst of the flying missiles with disheveled hair and rent garments. Running across the space between the two armies they tried to stop any further fighting and calm the excited passions by appealing to their fathers in the one army and their husbands in the other not to bring upon themselves a curse by staining their hands with the blood of a father-in-law or a son-in-law, nor upon their posterity the taint of parricide. "If," they cried, " you are weary of these ties of kindred, these marriage-bonds, then turn your anger upon us; it is we who are the cause of the war, it is we who have wounded and slain our husbands and fathers. Better for us to perish rather than live without one or the other of you, as widows or as orphans.
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LA X could not even be real. Ben, Ethan, etc., could all be constructs of the Losties in a false reality. Isn't it coincidental that so many of the Others happen to live in LA? Hell, Boone could have been a construct of Locke's just because Locke wished he were still alive. Hmmmmm...
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Just to tweak another universal popular assumption...John and Helen want to invite John's father to the wedding, therefore they are on good terms, therefore Dad never threw John out of the window therefore possibly Locke's father is not even a conman.ORR...Dad pushed John out of the window, John was NOT touched by Jacob after landing, he suffered both shock and a concussion causing minor drain bamage and therefore does not remember being pushed out the window and possibly does not recall anything of his falling out with his father or being conned out of his kidney. And perhaps good old dad realizes that since John doesn't remember any of what happened, he may be of further use, in case he ever needs a rare blood type transfusion or a piece of liver or something.This post dedicated to my high school creative writing teacher, Mrs. JoAnn Orr.
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Look at it this way in Timeline A, Locke, Sawyer, Juliet, et al get thrown back in time to the 1950's and various other points in the island's history. That all can still happen, because Timeline A and Timeline B are one line UNTIL the point in 1977 that Jughead sinks the island. It is only from that point on that Timeline A and B are separate realities. That means that all the time travel stuff could still have happened because it's people from Timeline A jumping back to the past of Timeline A. If the characters in Timeline B were to somehow travel back in time, any time they traveled to that happened BEFORE the Incident in 1977 would be the same. The island's history is still intact in Timeline B, up to the point that it gets sank. That means Jacob and the Man in Black still sat on the beach watching the Black Rock offshore, that Richard Alpert was still alive on the island for who knows how long, that the DHARMA folk still went there to conduct their experiments. In Timeline B that all still happened, the point where it diverges is anything that happened on the island post-1977 such as Juliet coming to the island as a dupe of the Others, the Purge of the DHARMA Initiative by the Hostiles, and the crash of flight 815. When the island sank in 1977 it created a new timeline, along with new versions of everyone from Timeline A. It was the Timeline A people who time traveled, not the Timeline B people, so all the time travel stuff still holds up, because the Timeline A people went to the island and the Timeline B people didn't. Confusing, I know, but it holds up if you have the time to actually sit down and think it over, which sadly, I do.
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"According to the Book of Judges, when the tribe of Benjamin, following the Battle at Gibeah, was threatened with extinction, all the men and non-virgin from a nearby Canaanite town were slaughtered, so that the virgins of that town could be wed to the surviving men of Benjamin."
"Now the men of Israel had sworn an oath at Mizpah, saying, "None of us shall give his daughter to Benjamin as a wife."Result: Civil War.
Not about the mythology or the theology, only the historical context of the second oldest blood feud among men. Raptio. It is of note that the story bears striking similarities to the myth of Sodom and Gomorrah. And you know what happened there.
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Holy shit! You did it again. You CAN replace Jay with gay. And it makes him look gay! Holy fuck. I am literally shitting myself with laughter. Suck it Jay2517. lostboytexass owns you. But he would sell you cuz you're gay. Which is gross. And the world greatest put-down.
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I nominate theotherJosh as prince of the talkback for his badmitten like sarcastic rejoinders to everything Boytex says. I am impressed that someone who named himself Lamerz is totally blowing my mind, and applaud Royston, MrEko-LML and a few unfamiliar names for cranking out some awesome theorizing. Amazingly, Boytex has said a couple funny things; typically, Rizzo is toughing it up; and remarkably, MacFaux seems to be a bit drunker than usual. Cheers, Mac.Even our semi-interested host Hercules the strong at least contributed some thought provoking comments that got people who disagreed with him talking. For the record, Lighthouse was NOT the seasons worst ep, that would be What Kate Did. But seriously, what's the point of ranking the bottom two out of six? A "worst of season" or "one of the worst of series" episode of LOST is still better than 98.6% or anything else on TV.Right?
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the brilliance of lostBRICKTAMLANDtexass is astounding i tell u!! i wonder if he gives the reach around or receives it?? curious...curious...maybe thats the pent up GAY he has?
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i ate a big red cock...er...candle....
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Except the Substitute and LA X. Otherwise, I've not been won over. I don't see how all this is going to wrap up remotely coherently over the next 11 episodes. But we'll see.Mostly, I'm not down with Dogen. Too frickin' late to introduce a character like that. Sorry. Just is.And David Shephard = Man In Black. And, yes, these weak episodes of Lost are still better than 98.6% of everything else on TV.
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Will I catch gay if I talk to you? Better check with lostboy on this one. lostboytexass is gay contagious? Is it like claiming on LOST? Can jay2517 make me gay just by talking to him?
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I think it's a testament to the entire team behind the show that in this day and age of shitty reality television, they've managed to create something that actually requires an attention span to watch. And I'm with you. "What Kate Does" was a way worse filler episode than last week's.
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Solid material from Darlton. Really enjoyed it.
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One final thought before I go to collapse on my couch. I think one of the BIGGEST clues we've been given as to who the Smoke Monster/Man in Black really is/was came to us through the lyrics of the insanely awesome Stooges song "Search and Destroy."
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im totally CLEAN. and how does lost BRICKTAMLANDtexass know im NOT a lady myself??? hmmm??? que the Swiffer commercial jingle.... "Whos that lady??? that sexy lady...." oh yea GAY GAY GAY!!!
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I know right? That's totally what he said. What a fucking gay idiot. He's so stupid. I hate everyone on here except you cuz they're so fucking stupid for liking a show you don't. God, they all suck so bad. Will you be my friend? But I swear not in a gay way. Cuz that's fucking gross. Icky homos make me hate myself. How about you? Do cry alot because you know how there are so many gays? I do.
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Jughead made a vibration, much like when you strum a guitar thread, it looks like its mulitple strings but is just 1 moving really fast that slowly calms down and merges back into one (to the eye) just as we saw Jack's appendix scar...other things from the PRIME universe will start to seep more and more into the alertative one till eventually the PRIME universe 'converges' with the ALTA one...remember Jacob was reading 'All that rises must converge' its a big strumming that will eventually meet back in 2007...you'll see, we will move 3 years ahead and it will all converge.......with Locke popping back to life is kicking some goddamn ass! Who wants some? You? You? Twack! Goes his knife. Take that bitches. (I love Locke, best character, deserves a better fate than that dealt) But in the end Jack is going to be the new Jacob and Locke is the new Smokie. Sitting on the beach....
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It's all good. Been trying to control nerd rage, but sometimes the kid makes it so easy. Did you see his other handle, the other josh? Same writing.
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Don't even try man. It's over. He/she nailed you. Nailed you. You said "Solid material from Darlton. Really enjoyed it." And then lostboytexass repeated it. Do you even know how much of an idiot he/she made you look. Oh my God. I'm still laughing. You look so stupid.
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Lostboy - I apologize for expressing an opinion contrary to your own. I realize that is not allowed on the interweb. I hereby submit to 40 lashings for my actions.
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It's a joke. It's so easy to see. Thank you for making this talkback laughable. In a few days, like last weeks Lighthouse tb, the real discussion will begin.
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Dude, I am so serious about this. I am NOT in any way lostboytexass! I have one online user name. I think faking who you are or doing what he does the lowest form of cowardice. I will literally do whatever to prove I am not him, this is that important to me.
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i was wondering why lostboy never acknowledged otherjoshs existence, especially with all the bating going on. fuckem all
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Unless this is lostboytexass and this is your way of fucking with me in which case: well played sir. I underestimated you.
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this is like an insane asylum. wtf
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except for me. Oh shit ...
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But seriously, your writing speaks for itself.
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He doesn't respond to me cuz he's a cowardly little shit and knows I make him look like an idiot. I am NOT lostboytexass! And I am insulted that you think I write like him. I at the very least come up with some original put downs.
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how do we know your not one of his multiple personalities too ;-)
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It's obvious. But not me. I'm actually ToughJoshSmokeyBoy.
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Okay, what is it about me that is in anyway reminiscent of him? This is getting ridiculous. I was tired of him popping in saying shit and then never responding to anyone. I tried to talk to him last week and he ignored me the whole time.
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but this is my sole login. im not texass for sure. or anyone else for that matter
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The end is coming. Be ready to kick in your tv screen, Losties.
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if rizzo and lostboy are the same guy. rizzo did give a real world shout out to lostboy at a lost meetup. promoting his own online troll account? thats kinda weird dude
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I feel like I can not say anything. I will be back after the show. How did my trying to put that little shit in his place turn me into him. Not even figuratively. According to you I literally am a guy who hates this show. FUCK!
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Didnt you used to play for the Atlanta Hawks? Loved Wilkins! Anyway, It's pretty funny identity theft here. However, I'll be in Manhattan shortly watching the show with my group.
I wont be posting till well after the show. I'll post links to pictures of our meetup just to prove it. If texas or josh or any of the screen names wants to post pics of them, it's all good. -
seems to have a solid alibi unless of course he has an iphone and posts as lostboy during the show? hmmmm
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SO GAY!!!
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jay2517, lostboytexas, toughguyrizzo and theotherjosh are all the same person. is that considered a spoiler?
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...'nuff said.
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Mar 02, 2010 5:19:53 PM CST
Hey Herc, first of all, I just don't see how you're a fan of
by coughlins laws
this show. You complain about everything and seem to not like what made this show one of the greatest in TV history, the incredible character-building flashbacks. why don' you just go for the ride and see where this leads instead of bitching about it constantly. None of us know for sure where this is going or how they're going to tie it all together. Let's hear your analysis after the finale. Until then, your opinions on this don't mean much...
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Mar 02, 2010 5:23:01 PM CST
And Herc, second of all, where are the ratings updates on Leno?
by coughlins laws
Funny how we're not getting the ratings updates on Leno vs. Letterman since you've had every single Leno rating while he was at 10pm. Why exactly aren't you interested in showing the ratings now? Is it because Leno got twice the size of Letterman's audience, just like the last 17 years?
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all natural troll hatin me!!! but ur new smokey so its ok brotha....
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For staying the hell away from this place all day. So much fighting today. Lotsboytexas is a big doucher.
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i believe ya :-)
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this is a Lost tb Laws. NO DOUCHEBAG mentioning ok??? just gay troll bashing lol. im sure Herc will give have a talkback for that brotha...
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This show can't possibly meet everyone's expectations on how it should end, so I think its gonna pull a Sopranos(the last TV show I followed seasonally) and just fade to black with many mysteries still unsolved. I hope the remaining shows prove me wrong though. How many shows are there this season? How is the last one in May?
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its a tues. ritual now unfortunately lol. i cant come home from the auto action any more and enjoy my cold beers without getting my heterosexuality questioned lol. i thought i answered those AFTER i had my "operation"...er...yea. oh well....back to the gay troll bashing brotha...
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Mar 02, 2010 5:31:41 PM CST
Sorry, jay2517, but Herc is going to have to be shamed into it..
by coughlins laws
His hypocrisy is disturbing...
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Who really effing cares? Leno won. Go celebrate with a twelver of Pabst and a Slim Jim, and stay the hell away from Lost TBs.
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To give us the happy ending we want for our favorite characters, and then realizing how boring that would be. Bring on Ajira!
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Also broke the statue. Whatever did it could have rippled across time.
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Could see a "Last Temptation" thing happening as well. Good catch
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Better Off Dead? a Lost season six fan fiction. Part oneOpening: a bar. We see pilot Seth Norris and flight attendant Cindy Chandler seated in an intimate candle lit booth. The Jukebox is playing "You All, Everybody" by DRiveshaft. We pan across the dance floor: Lance is dancing with a sexy woman in a blue striped shirt. Off to one side Bonnie and Greta are dancing with one another. Best pals Scott and Steve are seated at the bar with the woman only ever known as "blonde casualty" (the one who died at the New Otherton massacre.)At one end of the bar an obnoxious and insistent Neil is hitting on a very annoyed looking Ana Lucia Cortez. "My pal was wondering if you were Mexican or Puerto Rican. It doesn't really matter to me, all the same, I'm not prejudice'." "Look, if you don't mind, I'm trying to work here." "Hey, I don't have to pay for it... but there's always a first time for everything." "Shut up, a-hole. I'm a cop on a stake-out." "Oh sure, I'll be vewwy vewwy qwiet, you're hunting wabbits." Ana grabs Neil by the collar and drags him into the men's room and stuffs him in a stall. The putz still thinks he's getting lucky until she produces a pair of handcuffs and slaps one end on his wrist and the other on the toilet pipe. "Hey, I'm not into bondage unless..." She holds her LAPD badge about three inches in front of his face and growls "Look, just shut up. Be vewwy vewwy qwiet and maybe I'll forget you solicited me for prostitution." Neil struggles to undo his pants with one hand: he suddenly needs to pee very badly.Outside the john, rookie cop James Ford, in plain clothes, asks Ana Lucia "Where the heck were you, Chiclets?" "Washing my hands, where's our target?" she replies.The camera pans across the crowd. We see Kate Austen and Claire Littleton sitting at the end of the bar and a Patsy Cline song begins to play on the jukebox, [whoosh]
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Mar 02, 2010 6:13:04 PM CST
I talked about Lost. This week's show hasn't aired yet...
by coughlins laws
Herc spent the last 6 months showing Leno's ratings for the sole purpose of trying to help get him fired, and now he's refusing to put up Leno's ratings that are destroying Letterman's. If he had a Leno TB up, I'd write this there. That's the point. He's not putting one up. As far as Lost, we have no idea yet where these flash-sideways are going but I don't see how anyone can say they're not entertaining. Just because they aren't "giving you" the "answers" you want doesn't mean they're a waste of time for everyone. I'm being entertained. I guess it's just the whole standard treating your opinions like facts that really bothers me when it comes to Herc. I remember that he didn't like one of the best episodes ever, "The Man From Tallahassee", because it didn't focus on Ben like he wanted it to. His opinions are not in the majority on everything, yet he writes as if his opinions are facts. Alot of people on this site do this about alot of movies and I personally don't like it. It shows you to be an arrogant A-hole who thinks your opinion carries more weight than anyone else's, and it also insults those who have different opinions, even if it includes millions of other people...Case in point, the Lucas-haters that dominate this site who think that there was NOTHING good about any of the prequels and that think that Indy4 was awful. OK, fine, leave it at that. However, they don't stop there. They choose to insult those of us who found things to like in these movies. I thought Episode 1 was bad, but a decent story with some good sequences. I thought Episode 2 was better and the second half of the movie entertaining. I thought Episode 3 was good and could have been great if it had better dialogue and better acting. I also thought Crystal Skull, despite a couple of ridiculous scenes, was hilghly entertaining. However, people come on here constantly and say these were all HORRIBLE and attack anyone that found anything to like about any of them. I see this time and time again in the TBs and unfortunately, Herc is the same way on certain things. He's like this on those of us who like Leno better than Letterman and he's like this about certain aspects of Lost. I find him to be like The Sopranos fans who didn't like it for the great character study about the duality of being a sociopath and a good family man at the same time, but just wanted to see people get whacked every week. It's like he's missing the point of the series. The mythology of Lost is what makes the show interesting and has driven it for years. But I argue that the incredible character-building that we got the first 3 seasons separates this show from all the other shows on TV. If NOT for the constant flashbacks the first 3 years, we wouldn't care about these characters as much as we do. Herc doesn't seem to understand this...
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Better Off Dead? a Lost season six fan fiction. Part twoWe see Sun-Wha Kwon gathering a basket of tropical flowers in the jungle.[whoosh]A buzzer marks the end of a middle-school girls basketball game. The observers in the bleachers begin to stream out. John Locke is seated in a wheelchair down on the floor in the front row area, locked in by the mulling crowd. His father Anthony Cooper checks his watch with annoyance. "I said we should have left early." "Well, I had to find out how it ends" John replies. His bemused loving fiance Helen Norwood remarks "Just because you filled in on their gym class a few times doesn't make them your girls, John."We pan across to a group of young cheerleaders with familiar Numbers on their uniforms. The group breaks up and we focus on one young blonde girl patiently waiting for her cheerleader older sister. As they begin to leave a boy her age with touseled brown hair approaches. She is wearing a loose t-shirt with the Sharks team logo on it; he is wearing a Rebels shirt. "Pardon me, uh, you look familiar. Do I know you from somewhere?" The cheerleader older sister remarks "You're too young to know anyone from anywhere. Try that line again in another five years." As they start to walk away, he cries out "Wait. Oceanic flight 815, Sydney to L.A. last September. You were in coach - the tail section. So was I. My name's Zach." "Hi, I'm Emma. Yeah, I was on that flight. Small world, huh?""Boy, the nerve of that kid. They're trying out their pick-up lines younger all the time, huh?" griped chemistry teacher Leslie Arzt. His guest, physics lecturer Daniel Faraday, seemed embarrassed to be with him. "I have no idea what you're talking about, personally I try not to think about our young pupils budding romantic inclinations" responded slightly irritated sounding history teacher Benjamin Linus. "Hey, I don't like what you're implying. I'm not the one with the nasty mind here" blustered Mr. Arzt. "Of course you're not" responded Mr. Linus, rolling his eyes. [whoosh]
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Better Off Dead? a Lost season six fan fiction. Part threeWe see Rose Nadler arranging the flowers Sun has collected into bouquets of twelve and tying them together at the stems with twine.[whooshSullivan removes his wire-rimmed glasses and cleans them on his untucked shirt tail. He is standing in line at a book signing. The author autographs a copy of 'Bad Twin' "To Libby Smith, all my best, Gary Troup." She takes the book and joins Hugo Reyes at the checkout desk and thanks him for buying her the book. They leave the small book store and walk down the sidewalk; Boone Carlyle and Shannon Rutherford pass them walking the other way. They find a cool shaded green nook in a small neighborhood pocket park and sit on a bench. In the distance we see Michael Dawson and his son Walter Lloyd playing Frisbee with Walt's dog Vincent while his mother Susan sits on a bench and watches, half reading a magazine.[whoosh]
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Better Off Dead? a Lost season six fan fiction. Part fourA television in the corner over the bar features an eleven o'clock news report; Olympic silver medal winning swimmer Joanna Miller has been found dead under unusual circumstances, though suicide is suspected.Tom "Friendly" is seated at the bar with Danny Pickett, Adam and Aldo. Frank Lapidus emerges from the men's room and joins his friend Seth Norris and Seth's current girlfriend, Cindy.US Marshall Edward Mars is wearing an earplug headset with a wire microphone and he signals to his compatriots to move in. Officer's Cortez and Ford unsnap the straps over their holstered .38s and move in. They move right past Kate, Claire and the contents of Claire's baby carrier and back up Mars in apprehending suspected murderer/jewel thief actress Nikki Fernandez and her accomplice Paolo. Startled, Kate suggests to Claire that they leave, and Claire picks up the carrier containing Aaron and they head for the door.[whoosh]
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Better Off Dead? a Lost season six fan fiction. Part fiveIt is an overcast day, lightly raining, and Bernard Nadler is standing alone in a cemetery, over the grave of "Beloved wife, Rose Nadler". Rain drips from the brim of his hat, but tears can clearly be seen streaming down his face.[whoosh]It is a sunny day on Boone Hill as Sun and Rose place flowers on the graves of their departed friends and acquaintances and the strangers who died on the island. Some are buried there - Boone, Shannon, Ana Lucia, Libby, Tom, some only have markers, those whose bodies were destroyed - Leslie Arzt - or lost at sea - Charlie Pace, Joanna.Rose stands alone, silhouetted against the bright sun, gazing down at a grave marked with a makeshift wooden cross that she has lain a bouquet of flowers upon. Faintly ominous music makes us wonder who is buried in the grave. Bernard walks up and places his arm around her shoulder and she leans into him. Beyond them we see Sun and Jin likewise embracing.[poom] Lost.
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your welcome
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I just want to say that it's pretty obvious who I am and I'm not really a dead kitten. But that's all I want to say about that.
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Geez.
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Good episode, things are definably drawing to a close.
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our major network aired it at 7pm but because i get the "time shifting" channels it was even on at 6pm. but i havent watched because i'm not a patriotic canadian and rather watch it on ABC as its meant to be seen. :P
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Argh.
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Cant see that leg getting better by season's end
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i've only got about four spliffs worth left and i'd like to save it for the show
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found some
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Lighthouse = Penis Cave = Um...cave
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Plus, Smokie leads Jack to the caves in epi 1. Cave = Wonder hole AGAIN!
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Jacob lives in a big foot. Big Foot = Big Dingie.
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hot fries and beers at the ready!
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Smokie has not killed any females yet? Right? Let Juliette and Kate go. Killed Eko, who we all know has a big Donger.
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Danielle's security system. Caused all the fellas in her Frenchy crew to go crazy and get killed. Girl Power.
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Sayid: I want some answers. Dogen: Answers to what? HAHAHA!!! How about answers to questions, you dumbfuck!? People are always saying they want answers on this show, but then they never ask the right questions, and continue to allow whatever enigmatic character they're speaking with (and there are at least seven at last count) to speak in a cryptic tone and hint around at shit FOREVER! I'm telling you, Lost is a one trick pony. Always has been, always will be!!!
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what is with the baseball????
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since evil Sayid is now british.
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I set it at 7 1/2. They promised this would be the one where questions would be answered. PROVE IT PUNKS!
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Mar 02, 2010 8:10:23 PM CST
NuClaire seems less scary this week! BUT FakeLocke
by hollywoodhellraiser
haven't lost a step!
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OJ got off easy.
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OOPS!
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Sayid is bound to be crazy after "speak no Engrish" guy is done with him.
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Mar 02, 2010 8:17:36 PM CST
No way should Sayid be listening to that bastard!
by hollywoodhellraiser
Hell I think everyone has lost their damn minds but thats just me!
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I never got the need for Dads and Sons to toss a baseball. Has happened on this show several times.
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Watch for Sayid's bro?
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Rizzo. Since you can just get a new login, why wouldn't I do that if I was lostboy? Just to fuck with you? Why would I spend all day defending you? I really want to clear this up so I can post without everyone calling into question everything I say. Look back to the begining of the season. I know I didn't post here till then but I have only ever defended the show and the people on here who love it. I swear I'm not trying to drag this out, but I feel like I can't come back here till this is cleared up. I spent the first two episodes getting ignored by almost all you guys. I said it before but I'll say it again, I can't talk LOST to anyone in my life other than my wife who frankly gets annoyed when I start talking about the nitty-gritty of the show. I've tried to follow the "rules" that you guys set up, and I don't see what I said or did that pissed you off SO much that you've labeled me the biggest piece of shit I've seen on these talkbacks, but that fucking sucks. I get the concept of trolls, so I see where it's plausible, but, as cheesy as it sounds, I come here for the community and if I have to change my log in just to keep it I will, but, c'mon.
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Mar 02, 2010 8:25:51 PM CST
Of course the only way to prove there is good in your soul
by jimbojones123
Is to kill somebody without questioning why!
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He just enjoys murdering people.
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"Stab Her!" when Sayid and Kate ran into each other in the jungle. I couldn't help it.
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So Sayid's just supposed to sneak up on him....give me a break. Anyone else notice Jack look at Sayid in the hospital like he recognized him???
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Very Nice!
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if Sayid stabbed him before he talked? Or did Asian guy just want to get rid of Sayid.
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This scene reminds me of Its a Wonderful Life where George lassos the moon.
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All the rest were just visiting?
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claire has been fucking fantastic chaneling Britney spears the last 2 weeks. this bitch is PLUMB FUCKING LOCO
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She is Coo-Coo- for Coo-Coo-Puffs.
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HAHA. "if he speaks its already too late"
"Hi Sayid"
Unlocke cant be killed. awww shit.
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Um, they promised, right?
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Here's the news on Leno's ratings: They weren't as good as the ratings Conan pulled with his first Tonight Show.
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Sayid may be evil, if you belive the Templetons. Cindy is a leader??? WTF???
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FakeLocke is badass and Sayid is incredible!
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HAHAH where are the nuclear rods?
oh my bad wrong show
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end this motherfuckas life Sayid, SHOOT HIM IN THE FACE RIGHT NOW
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JIN INVOLVED!
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WTF, Jin???? Oops I was going to say make Naveen 007!!!
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WTF, Jin???? Oops I was going to say make Naveen 007!!!
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things are actually happening
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This lost CRASH shit is getting insane. this shit is like The 13th Floor, some matrix inside of a matrix type shit going on.
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Mar 02, 2010 8:48:30 PM CST
I would have shot a finger off when he was holding his hand out.
by jimbojones123
That would have been funny and splattery.
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Just finish the damn story
Answer all the questions
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That was cool. If 24 was to go in a different direction he's the man or Snipes.
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Keamy was still working for Widmore in this reality, they nabbed Jin at the airport.
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I care much less about this than the Flash Sideways.
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Drinking and Driving -- What's up with that?
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WTF!!!!! Sayid is a fucking terminator!!!
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thats a nod to bonnie and clyde right there, when clyde was eating that fucking apple before he got shot up and we watched it finally roll away.
evil sayid is on some SHIT! hahah why are theyse fools just running in random ass directions?
SMOKEY IS CLEANING SHOP!
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Mar 02, 2010 8:59:32 PM CST
WICKED!!! Not one motherfucker saw this coming!!!
by hollywoodhellraiser
Fucking Lost is killing it tonite!
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finding secret levers and shit
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Mar 02, 2010 9:00:47 PM CST
I could only imagine what Joss Whedon would have done with this
by hollywoodhellraiser
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Sure Sayid went nuts, and people died, but so what?!?!?
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Mar 02, 2010 9:01:53 PM CST
Yup, I said Joss because he would have added more carnage!
by hollywoodhellraiser
Fucking badass army of Fake Locke!
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Epic.
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Mar 02, 2010 9:04:40 PM CST
Anyone who cries "FILLED" should be banished from this forum.
by ashokforgiven
That is all.
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I am left feeling empty after this episode. Not much really going on besides the Temple folks --- who are all dicks --- dying. So, the entire first half of the season was pointless introducing the temple??? This was a top 5 worst episodes masked by SFX and some pretty good Sayid stuff. It would have been much better if they never introduced the temple. STUPID
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Sayid walking out with his harem was cool.
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exactly
Smokey goes rampant and...
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QUESTIONS......HAVE......BEEN.......ANSWERED! The baseball belonged to his son! L O S T
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EPIC last 10 mins...was kinda hoping for a Claire/Kate bitch fight...
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to Unlocke was funny as fuck. it was like her black "Im down" look. corny as FUCK!
anyway, decent episode just cuz there was some fucking action again. i mean shit this show definitely sucks so far this season but it was good to see some big shit going on.
the army of the fuckin dead and undead vs Hugo and Jack. meanwhile wtf happened to Sawyer?
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and I think its conclusive that this season fucking sucks. And thanks ABC for telling us Ben dies next week. Assholes.
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Why would you say that I am insane? I wouldn't say that I've lost my mind simply because I've heard the voices and seen the godless things moving in the woods. If anything, I think more clearly now than ever before. I know now that there is such a thing as a living Evil. A dark and shapeless thing that lives not in the spaces we know, but between them. In the Dark. In the night. And it wants the exact same thing as you and I; a chance at warm life on this Earth. It doesn't care that is already had that chance ...once. Now listen closely because there isn't much time. Listen and believe, because it's all true....
This is my boomstick! (Notice what Kate had slung on her back)
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And I think it's conclusive this season rocks. Sorry akkosa , maybe you should stick to simple shows like Heroes or 24.
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next episode but didn't think it was true, how the fuck do they announce that?
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It was a philosophical questioning of how to deliver your message to somebody that may not receive it correctly any other way. I really did not like this though. Why did they temple leader guys not want everybody safe when they knew the temple would be stormed if the dude died. PROTECT THE GUY THAT PROTECTS THE TEMPLE!!! DO NOT PUT HIM IN A ROOM ALONE WITH A GUY THAT IS SURE TO KILL HIM!!! For supposedly being so smart and above the 815ers, these temple folks are dipshits.
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Why do you even post here mate? Go outside, enjoy life, watch an elite show you enjoy.
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major vibe. Not necessarily a good thing since these first 6 eps have been such a disappointment. Since the plan landed, the flash sideways have been PAINFUL.
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....even though it wasn't written by Damon and Carlton. Is Ben REALLY dying next week?..wtf. Cant wait for the Claire/Kate catfight! just so much packed into this episode!!
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Did you see his face at the end?? That's something else.
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promised us that it was too shocking for them to show any footage (nothing really that shocking happened)... yet next week Ben supposedly dies and you tell us? fucktarded.
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This ep had me actively throwing popcorn into the air in triumph. It's not the destination, folks, it's the journey. I've honestly never had this much fun watching a tv show before (Supernatural a close second) but making theories and having them dashed (before tonight I had the thought Jacob was the evil one and the others were misguided.)is the most fun. Greatest. Tv. Show. Ever.
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the temple was fucking useless. And the people in the temple were even more fucking useless. Don't know what to think of this season so far.
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Mar 02, 2010 9:19:03 PM CST
Btw was it just me or was that opening fight scene AWESOME?
by ashokforgiven
Seriously, the choreography in that fight sequence b/w Dogen and Sayid was even top notch against 24. (Btw, I don't even like 24 as a series, but it terms of action and SFX it's production values are outstanding for TV).
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Mar 02, 2010 9:19:49 PM CST
Cuse and Lind hinted that it was a big deal if someone died in a
by julietsteet
tonight Keamy was the first to die in a flash sideways off the island.
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There's no way to say the temple is completely useless without seeing the rest of the season. You can't know if it will be important later on. It may turn out that the temple was a waste of time, but it is too early to say for sure just because the Others were all killed.
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Yeah they told us Ben dies!!! WHat are you nuts? Every promo for every drama show has lied about shit like this since the beginning of television. DURRRRRRR.
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This season is getting better with each episode...
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if he was part of evil Locke's "group" shouldn't he be right along with them?? Also, since this is evil Locke he should have a goatee..
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that Ben dies. it said he will face death. Not the same thing so we'll have to see.
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You said AIDS! Which is what kills gay people! So awesome. If Cuse or Lindelof ever read this they're gonna be all, "Oh, man I suck so hard. I must be gay." And then they'll hate themselves.
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this talkback is atrocious. why so many people who seemingly hate this show actually take the time to turn on their computer, log onto this site and then post a whiny, trollish response to a show they shouldn't even be watching in the first place is beyond me. Go watch Grey's Anatomy or Nip/Tuck or Dancing with the Stars or whatever else floats your boat. I'm talking to you lostasstexasassboy and others.
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Just some....never really watched will this year and I am into it. Better than the other garbage on TV right now.
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The trailer said he "faces his demise..." How many times has a character on this show faced their demise and lived. Plenty.
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I agree. This temple bullshit has been spread thinner than dollar store margarine at the end of the month in a welfare house. GET ON WITH IT! ONLY A FEW HOURS LEFT AND WE'RE STILL STUCK ON THIS A-TEAM REJECT TEMPLE SET. Cheap wooden sets painted to look like stone walls. No budget this year? SHOW US THE FUCKING ISLAND AND BEACH BITCHES.
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they spread around the temple worked really well then, huh?? then they just let Kate come back without asking where their men that escorted her and Jin were?? They deserved to friggin' die.. non-question answering mother fuckers..
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He'll murder you and then kill you again in another dimension...
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because you'll never love anything
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Sayid gone wild! Love him in total badass mode. That ending was epic.
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This was hands down the best episode yet. The opening was ridiculous. Bunch of answers, followed by easily the best fight of the show, followed by yet another intriguing twist to the ALT. And as far as the people that have complained about talking around answers or giving vague ones at best, every question a character asked was answered succinctly and believably. I agree with I_am_the_ultimate_product, Greatest. Tv. Show. Ever.
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Calling people retards is sad and petty. Most, if not all of the complaints on the episode are in reaction to this episode masking any rational thought with flashy action and killing. Stabs, shootings, smokies, and death do not add depth to a story that acts more irrational than any episode earlier. This was worse than Charlie kidnapping Sun.
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Haha. Will someone call this kid's mom and tell her to get her Asperger's kid off the internet?
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It seems the whole Temple thing is already done. After jumping from 1977 to the Temple, the characters have now been strategically separated and placed around the island like chess pieces.
Jack and Hurley are isolated away from the Temple, MiB has taken full control with Sawyer and Sayid at his side, the other 815ers fates are unknown, Desmond? Widmore? are on their way back to the island... I can't wait to see the endgame to this chess game. Checkmate in 12 hours.
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while I do agree this is the best TV show ever.. this spisode is not the best of the series.. in my opinion.. that easily goes to Walkabout.. I do think they shot their load quickly this season with the first episode and have been slowly building their stamina back.. getting better every week..
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Okay, see, that was actually passable. You used a pun on his name that didn't involve gay people. That's a plus. But, you still just went with a shit joke. Keep trying.
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Thanks for the "shout out" Jimbo! I love shout outs. And how did this episode not advance the story enough for you, you big gay retard! ?
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the best episode of the series is The Constant. There is no debate.
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At least in my mind, this unequivocally proves lostboytexass is here-forth wrong about everything. This episode progressed the plot, provided some heart-breaking progress, and really helps set the stage for the finale. It has started building to the end, and it's hard to believe the end is in only 12 episodic-hours, but this episode was the antithesis of filler and really helped push us toward the end that the creators have planned for us.Great (if bitter-sweet) episode.-Cheers
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Agreed. I think realizing that for some castaways we've grown to like (ie Claire, Sayid), there's might be no going back, no redemption. Very bittersweet.
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things happened and plot progressed. I'm happy!
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"apparantly I am evil..."
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Okay, agreed, a little bit of after glow. White Rabbit and Walkabout are still 2 and 3 after the pilot. But right now I'll put this at 4. Goddamn, talk about pay off.
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Now gay retards -- totally justified joke.
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I swear, some people wont be happy unless the series finale of LOST is called "The Answers", in which Jacob stands at a lecturn in the temple and answers a bullet list of fan questions.
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....action cool.... the "answers" not cool... Sayid is definitely badass... meh really for now...
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It's safe to say that 'Lighthouse' was a step down from 'The Substitute'... but the worst of the season!? Kate's ep was beyond boring, and your reason for liking it (Ethan showing up... as he does every season since he died) is pretty weak. I'd take Hurley being hilarious, Jacob / Numbers answers and Alt-Jack any day of the week over still-fugitive Kate.
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and starts mindjumping through time to take down Flocke.
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I actually said "big gay retard" - I'm trying to offend fat people, gay people and retarded people. I call it "the trifecta."
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how can anybody put four whole episodes above The Constant? White Rabbit? Please.
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I wasn't a huge fan of The Constant, but I also was never a huge Desmond fan. Granted they wrote the shit out of that episode and it's top 10, I wouldn't go #1.
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We would not be complaining. Then they promo the death of Ben. I really think this is kinda dumb.
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...Rizzo is Jack cuz h it seems he "runs" this tb... lostboy is Sawyer, doin the unconventional things here... so i guess josh is kate...
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dont know why so many people are complaining about this one. it was easily the best this season. if you dont like the show why are you even in this talkback?
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Sorry I missed the cue. Great flash, little substance though. Okay, this little relationship has to end. We can still be friends though.
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If you think they did I have some land in Florida I wanna sell you. Then we can play some 3 card monte.
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Cuz White Rabbit really crystallized for me at the time what type of show I was watching. One that would unfold over time with intricate character development great action and an expansive narrative. It hooked me as much as the pilot did.
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...has to be any Des-centric ep ... HAS TO BE
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Aw, dude, I gotta be the chick. I'll take it cuz at least I'm my own person, but, aw....
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im waiting for the alpert episode
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that flocke couldn't go in the temple until he was dead?
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tune in next week for those answers -- we cannot show them to you now.
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Thought it was a good episode, we finally saw the ramification of Sayeed's resurrection/turning. As for people saying the temple was a waste of time this season, I think seeing it destroyed was a good way of showing the lack of order on the island that exists now thanks to the death of Jacob. The alt stuff kind of dragged, but the end had a good pay off. I'd just like to see where the hell Sawyer and Jinn are, and come to think of it where the hell is Richard Alpert?
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...what you said to rizzo before the ep about changin your login was not cool.... he doesnt run these boards, forget em...
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My favorite episodes of LOST and all the ones with Desmond. Imho S6 has had a solid run thus far, but I would rank S3/4 as the best seasons due to Desmond. Altho I'm guessing he's the one who is coming back to the island? :D
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The main reason I liked The Constant is because I think the relationship between Penny and Des is the best of any of the characters on the show. It worked so well despite the fact that they were separated for 3 whole seasons. When you heard her voice on the line in the freighter and see the look on his face it says you knew everything was right in the universe because they were going to be together again.
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... when he zoomed over the pit Kate and loony toons Claire were in? You could definitely see SOMETHING in there. Some shape or something. I'm gonna have to rewind and pause the crap outta that scene tomorrow. Nice to see Sayid returning to form after a couple of episodes of total pussydom. He's always been one of my favorite characters. I wonder how good Keamy's eggs really were. Guess we'll never know now.
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...MIBs name... just say David/Aaron/Charlie/Walt/Vince name already...
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That guy has an amazing on screen presence.
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Jimbo
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abc promo team is weak,i'm never a big fan of lost "action" episodes,and i could care less about dogen or lennon tminus 13 hours,i want to know whats going on with my peoples + freighties..and that is it,no more new characters welcome,i'm sure ilyana will have a really cool backstory,but after her..this season was not the time to add more folk
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...read last weeks tb for my theory/rant/hallucination/etc...
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... yourSTEPDADDY
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i love lost,don't wanna get the troll treatment,i'm not hating..but this episode was not great..no where near top 10,had some cool stuff,kinda sucked that after all the temple buildup,its over like that,but i'm glad it is,i hope the focus will go back to the losties now
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Post on here.
I'd like to thank all the posters on here for offering insight, and ask the others for the time back i spent reading their drivel.
Now that my first attack on people's thoughts has concluded, and my inudction is final...
Concerning the whole dual realities thing, when Kate woke up/came to in the tree, why could she hear as if underwater, and feel like she was choking and underwater?
At first I thought my version was corrupt or badly muxed, and once the sound came good I thought nothing of it till just then.
Was it meaning she was sucked out of that island under the sea reality?
Why was the splitting of reality taking the people already on the island and keeping them there on the new reality?
In my head the new reality is the one when the bomb didn't go off, and they've been transported to the new reality when the bomb went off, and the 'real' reality is when the bomb went off in 77 and the effects continued to take place along their new path, but still from the same linear path as before?
yes no?
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ur an idiot just based on ur "love" for lostBRICKTAMLANDteaxass. and, "answers not cool"... what the fuck... that says it all about ur mentality towards the show...idiot..
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Agreed. As far as relationships on the show the ONLY one I am really invested is, is Des and Penny. And also, it still ranks high for me. I think it also came at a time when, I was more interested in Locke and Ben's stories, that it places where it does. I'm sure if I watched it again right now I have a different story. In the same way that right now, Sundown feels like one of the best. Cuz I just watched it.
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I hope they keep it that way...
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i mean really...THATS ALL u have to bitch about...REALLY??? man some if u fukwads amaze me....
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I don't buy Sayid telling Dogan "I'm a good person". Sayid knows he's not. He basically said that when he was dying last season in the Dharma van. Now, personally, I think Sayid has (had?) some good in him, his heart is too big to be completely evil. But Sayid is so pragmatic he would understand an accomplished ASSASSIN is NOT a good person and readily admit it, not wine to Dogan about being misunderstood...
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Your post makes no sense.
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Spelling mistake that can't be edited. :P
My thought on the person that's coming back to the Island...
We have one guy that's been charged with protecting the island, and seems to be the keeper of the the other guy, who in turn wants to be free and get away....
Doesn't there need to be a third entity who
1) made the rules
2) ensures the rules are followed
3) put them there in the first place in this situation?
If they're both playing this game and MIB wants out so badly, couldn't he just take his ball and go home if THEY had started it? -
Mar 02, 2010 10:03:35 PM CST
Bitches stop talking about next week's spoilers
by keepfuckingthatchicken
Jaysin420.
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Mar 02, 2010 10:04:35 PM CST
I have not bitched -- just critiqued the lesser points
by jimbojones123
And about a half dozen plus for this epi. Loved the Lighthouse though. Very character driven.
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awesome on alot of levels. i remember a bunch of people NOT LIKING that one too... hmmm... idiots abound apparently...
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pretty simple really...
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I've had so many crazy theories about LOST that it surprised me when this episode leaned towards my current "sandbox reality" theory. If you look at the Flash sideways again they're all wish fulling what ifs.
Kate, What if you could make sure that Claire and Aaron stay together?
Jack, What if you could have a son to repair the father-son relationship you and your father never were able to?
John, What if you found contentment with your situation and married a woman who truly loved you as you are?
Hugo, What if you weren't the unluckiest man in the world but the luckiest and brought joy to others with your riches?
Dogen, What if you and your son could be together?
Sayid, What if you could have Nadia back? Or make her happy?
What this episode made me realize is that this isn't the MIB promising each person their heart's desire and delivering. If this theory is true it's only one of the LOSTies (likely Jack) who turns strays from fate for a chance to give everyone what they want. Then again, did Sayid get what he wants? -
lol,i'm sitting here asking myself "how many people have had the job "temple keeper" " what was the need for a temple keeper? sooo ..dust plus gatekeeper keeps mib out? just gatekeeper? ..what exactly was being protected in the temple?
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Whine even...
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not being on the island long AT ALL??? anybody catch that?? at least it seemed that way to me. banks and baseball have'nt been around THAT long u know...
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prolly his actual COMMITMENT to the cause ie the island and jacob? my thinking...
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... in that lost love square featurin Rizzo, lostboy, and Josh... but since you decided to stop ignorin me, please without anger or teen angst or whatever youre goin thru to tell me WHAT (important) ANSWERS WERE GIVEN... cuz this ep and the ep bout Jacks tatts are about the same as revealin anythin important... and when are you gonna send me those airplane tickets?
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I don't know if you're arguing with yourself, but your theory that the Sideways World is MiB's "reward" world...I don't know, makes sense to me..
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just saw screencaps.
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Mar 02, 2010 10:15:56 PM CST
I actually really liked this episode and I love the show...
by bladerunner751
but I just question the significance of the fucking temple. And I wasn't sure about the whole Evil Locke subplot but its starting to grow on me
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ur a fucking dumass. ur posts amuse me to the point of responding. i see dumass and automatically POUNCE....i know my bad... i have to get anti-dumass meds for u i agree...
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"What did you do to me?" Well, Sayid, you're evil see and HAI-YAH! That was great. Best fight choreography of the series. When dogen stopped short of killing him I began to wonder why. Maybe the answer was in his phrasing that in each man there is a balance of good and evil. Perhaps killing Sayid would have tipped Dogen's scale in the wrong direction? The baseball, a reminder of his son, acted as a reality check at the vital moment of choice. Is it an afterlife without his loved ones that he feared? Loved the sudden deaths of Dogen and Lennon. Brutal and effective. The flash sideways were revealing too. In both timelines Sayid was required to kill a man to do good. I feel like Nadia gave him the choice not to go after the loan sharks and he chose poorly. If this was his final test. FAIL. But maybe it was about giving Nadia a happy ending even if the price was his soul. Not literally, I think.
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I got to you.
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makes another apperance...
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...just before she (Kate) jumped into the pit to avoid Smokey? I missed that.
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sideways world as wish fulfillment actually sounds like a brilliant way of looking at it. And maybe those who joined with MIB end up not getting what they want, ala Sayeed not being with Nadia. In Claire's case she gets to be with Aaron even though she joined with MIB because that was Kate's desire. As for Sawyer, his desire is to be with Juliet at the airport. I don't know about Jin and Sun however.
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No, just tweaking and adding bits to the picture. That theory occurred to me before tonight's episode and I wrote into the talkback hours before anything really concrete happened in the show to support it, so I was just expanding based on the wording of Flocke tonight in his conversation with Sayid and the positioning of the Flash Sideways in the show.
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either "safer down here," "safest place is down here." or some variation of those words that means the same thing.
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The temple slaughter at the end was good. Everyone choosing their sides. Claire and Sayid walking into the courtyard (then past the outer wall to Locked) was chilling, especially with Kate following, having no idea what's going on.
I agree that a big component of Lost is stringing questions along with weak writing. Sayid asked Dogen "I want answers." and Dogen replies "Answers to what?" It's been done before and realistically the Losties would be asking what the F is up with this island. Then you get the "skirting the issue" like Dogen did. Anyway, that was kept at a minimum this episode.
While not a top ten all-time episode, it was pretty good. I'd rank "The Constant" and "Walkabout" up there near the top. As for filler episodes..."Tricia Tanaka is Dead" was one of my favs....with Hurley, Charlie, Jin and Sawyer getting the Dharma van running.
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RIP Dogen & Lennon. Yea, we hardly knew ye. Thank Christ. Bless you Sayid...you bad muthafu...SHUT YER MOUF! Hey...I'm talkin bout SAYID!
Keamy just can't catch a break, can he? Anyone else get the feeling he was channeling Walken from "True Lies" in that egg munching interrogation scene? I was waitin for him to call Sayid a "camel jockey". Good thing Jarrah's reflexes were a lil faster than Dennis Hopper's.
Answer seekers...dial it down a bit will ya? I get the feeling you all joined LOST late in the fuckin game...and you caught up commercial free in season long binge watching LOST DVD marathons...and now that Season 6 is playing out in 'real time'...with Old Spice ads...a week apart from each other...you are lamenting the fact you got caught up at all. Yes...it feels like an eternity for things to fuckin happen on this show. Been that way since Sept 22nd, 2004. I recommend you stop watching it "live" and DVR the entire season...and speed through the episodes once it's all over. You'll save yourself a migraine and hair loss every week.
My biggest complaints? Where the fuck was the Gordon Goddamn Lightfoot?
I can picture ev'ry move that a man could make;
Gettin' LOST in her lovin' is your first mistake.
Sundown, you better take care
If I find you bin creepin' round my back stairs.
Sometimes I think it's a sin
When I feel like I'm winnin' when I'm losin' again.
Sorry for treadin yer turf, MacFaux.
Another complaint? Michael Emerson playin second fiddle. Dear Lord...next week's episode is gonna be a fuckin' Emmy snatchin mind fucker!
QUESTION TIME?
What's the deal with Kate...trancelike, strappin on the gun and blindly following the FLocke? Why didn't Claire 2.0 make good on her crazy threat?
WTF did Sayid mean when he said "Not For Me."...and Ben pooped a lil in his pants? Is sayid the new Dogen? Will he never get off that godforsaken rock?
Who knew the Temple had a fuckin Panic Room? Wonder where Ilana was takin the rest of the Scoobie Doobie team. How does she know so much about that temple for an off islander?
Well, once again, Sun is there, but Jin is not. These two need to get back on schedule! Where the fuck WAS Jin? And why was he in the freezer in Sayid's sideways world? Ya suppose he was the muscle that 'mugged' Sayid's bro...and was being punished for not finishing the job by Keamy?
If Sayid had cut off FLocke's Head instead of stabbing him in the chest...would he have still been alive? How do you kill this dude?
I bet Ilana knows.
God I can't wait for next week.
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...If youre 18 and under i wont ever mention you or say anythin to you again... if you are 18, what is wrong wit you lol? ok, I AM A DUMBASS, NOW TELL ME WHAT IMPORTANT OR ANY SIGNIFICANT QUESTION HAS BEEN ANSWERED. IF YOU CANT ANSWER BUT RESORT BACK TO CALLIN ME NAMES (fyi, ill accept any name you call me, so it doesnt bother me one bit) YOURE AS BAD AS YOU CLAIM LOSTBOY TO BE (only difference is, your pro lost whereas lostboy is anti lost, but youre not funny one bit)... WILL HE RESPOND? NA...
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Sideways Sayid did stay away until they came looking for him, and you know shit ain't going to go well for you when you get hauled in front of a mob(?) boss, so screw it, he used his skillz appropriately. Island Sayid... Oh, jeez, who the fuck knows. UnLocke is a weasle of Ben proportions, I think, but Sayid, well, he did die an remorseful but kid killing bad man, so his "resurrected" self is kind of past the slippery slope. Dogen and Lennon both ended up in the pool which probably portends nothing.
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Ben's daughter getting executed was very surprising.
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... but still what were the answers?
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Is it just me, or is anyone else getting the feeling this is all starting to turn into some bad daytime genre piece? I really loved last season...and I don't think I'm needlessly bitching here, but didn't it kinda feel just like a late-night-higher-budgeted Relic Hunter? It seems as though everyone who comes here has to openly love every episode or be chastised harshly -- I'm just wondering if anyone else is feeling the same way, cause I'm sure there are. I watched an episode of the sopranos on a&e today, highly censored, and it just reminded me even in its limited form how much real character development has been missing from this show. The characters just don't seem at all real - and they did in season one as well as last season. It's a shame how they are only smearing the same threads over with melodrama...i hope it picks up, because it has the potential to be a great season.
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IS WHAT the show isnt answering FOR U???? the answers are there for me. thats why u are a....not intelligent donkey?? im supposing...
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...If everyone is talkin bout their favorite episode... last week we was buzzin wit ideas, questions, theories... this week? "flashes before my eyes was my fave"... PS- I think that was my fave...
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That's true. And we clearly haven't seen how his Sideways tale develops yet. I completely forgot about Jin in the freezer which I'm guessing has something to do with his wife getting his assets... "frozen" when she didn't have his back at the airport. Expect to learn the answers three episodes from now if precedent can be trusted.
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u wanna settle this man o mano??? wow... how old are u... thats classic. i have a daughter too is that bad for my TB CRED????
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... MIBs name... why Sun didnt time travel... what happened to Claire... who is Richard... why is there two Christian ghosts that contradict each other... wheres Vincent... wheres Benard and Rose... and these are basic questions that we have been wonderin about for at least eight episodes and none are about Lax.... so the questions you wanted answer is why does Dogen have a baseball bat and what does Claire do on the island by herself (which we learned tonight is singin)...
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Musically, this is a top 5 episode of LOST.
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Musically, this is a top 5 episode of LOST.
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not trying to hate on u but....u have watched the WHOLE SERIES right?? thats ALOT of character development brotha...
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Mar 02, 2010 10:49:41 PM CST
I have a theory about the "Alternate Realities" week 4
by keepfuckingthatchicken
I am gonna post this every week in the Lost talkbacks so I can prove I am right in May. What if Desmond, Charlie, Hurley, Sawyer, Jack, Kate etc. being in Los Angeles WASN'T an alternate reality and WASN'T happening as the same time as the castaways being on the island. WHAT IF that the castaways being back in LA is technically Season 7? Hear me out. Season 4 was a Flash Forward season. One part was on the island, but future events took place off of the island. What if the same was taking place in season 6? I believe they are doing the Flash Forward method again...but I guess they are calling them Flash "Sideways" There was only ONE result from the explosion and that is them being still on the island. I think by the end of season 6, there will be an time changing EVENT that will cause the castaways' to jump back onto the Oceanic 815 where Jack is looking out of the plane, Kate back on handcuffs, Hurley being lucky, etc etc. What season 6 is the finale of the island as well as the flash"sideways" being "season 7"/the epilogue of them being home FINALLY with no recollection of the events from the island. It would explain why they look weird and funny at each other when they see each other again in LA and then later on not even recognize each other like Jack and Sayid didn't. Whatever event makes them jump back into the past and on the plane which seems like this series is headed towards a "Deus Ex Machina" ending (Look up the term). At the end of season 6, I think the event will cause a new reality where the island to be underwater hidden for good, Jacob will never know these people nor visit them so it will have a butterfly effect and change everyone's lives. Dharma will still exist as seen by the CG scene at the very beginning of the season but everyone on the plane has different lives and paths such as Rose (even though she has cancer still) , Bernard, Charlie, Sayid (who has Nadia alive, but married...Damon and Carlton must have liked the movie Funny People) Desmond (who is on the plane because he never had to go to the island because he probably already has Penny so he never causes the plane to crash...because the Dharma scientists maybe underwater at the island pressing 4 8 15 16 23 42), Jack (who has a son), Kate (just running still..BORING!), Sawyer, Boone, Locke (who is looking like he will be saved by Jack in "Season 7", is ok with his father, has peggy bundy by his side and might be the reason why the Deus Ex Machina ending will be happening), Hurley (who never is unlucky, but an easy going rich guy), Jin, Sun and Claire (who is still pregnant). It is like getting the best of both worlds for a finale. There is NOTHING within these first 6 episodes that says they will connect the 2 storylines together, which shows that the scenes off the island has great potential to be the actual ending to all of the characters. Them on the island now and the castaways not being on the island AT ALL because of the Event that will take place at the end of season 6 to cause them to be back on the plane. Season 5's attempt to use the bomb to get back on the plane FAILED but someone will come up with another plan (Maybe now "Evil" Locke/Man in Black's plan to escape) and it will work finally at the end of Season 6 on the island. Ok, for other random theories...I know people already said Claire is possessed by Rousseau so what if Locke possessed Sayid? Like as long as the dead bodies are on the island, their souls are still there too. Just saying...
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6 episodes in and.... shit WHY an i trying....
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... I was hopin you were a teen... that way i wouldnt feel so bad about your close mindedness (to everythin from other peoples opinions or religions like you displayed last week)... but oh well, hope you dont pass that down to your daughter... and im 25... whats wit your obsession wit fightin strangers? i thought you were a christian, but nope just another hypocrite...
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from a guy that thinks the way u do. like i said typical idiot on ALL LEVELS...
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... Of a show thats been on for six seasons, meanin more than six episodes in... WE HAVE BEEN ASKIN ABOUT RICHARD FOR YEARS...
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TIME OUT! Both of you to your rooms for 20 minutes!
AHHHHHHHHH!!!
I don't care WHO started it!
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u should get ur Richard answers mmmkay??
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... and tell me who is more "right" in our debate... but you would have to know that he has a hard on for me mostly due to my religious belief...
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i dont wanna!!!!!!
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I DONT BRING THAT SHIT UP!!! U DO IN UR POSTS!!!! ITS LIKE POLITICS ---DONT TALK SHIT ABOUT SOMEONE ELSE'S BELIEFS BROTHA...
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... that scene was creepy and cool... lost music always take the scene to another level
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:01 Previously on LOST ... :05 meh ... :10 meh ... :15 hmm ... :20 meh ... :25 enough with the flash-sideways already :30 cool ... :35 ok ... :40 interesting ... :45 hey I wonder if ... :50 getting better ... :55 HOLY SHIT!!! THIS ROCKZ!! Can hardly wait 'til next week!!
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I'm riding this horse backwards..
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I loved it. One of my top 10 easily and the best of this season so far. Sayid was badass and creepy. Evil Sayid is even better than Evil Locke/Smokey. Miles saying Claire was still "hot" was hilarious. Jaysin after season 4, I learned to never watch previews because they always imply something will happen but then doesn't. In a way, a preview is false storytelling. That is why they couldn't put anything in a preview from this episode because they couldn't bullshit nothing in a preview because the episode was badass in almost every scene, even in the flash sideways. Loved that Keamy was the loan shark leader and Sayid killed him in cold blood. To be honest though, the only questions I think were answered for me was "Why couldn't the smoke monster go into the temple?" and "How long was Sayid dead for?"..See that is why I do not watch previews "QUESTIONS...WILL BE...ANSWERED!" They answered 2 so the preview was right... give me a fucking break. -_-
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and get my LIFE LESSON for the day...damn u fucking ATHIESTS!!! u made me turn to BENNY HINN!!!
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I gotta tell ya...When I was writing that sentence...the only TV ad I could remember from tonight's episode was that one.
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That's what I want, but so far, not getting it. The flash sideways are reeeeeeeally dragging down the final shows, which are already eaten up with a lot of commercial time. Too bad... Still, there was a great deal to be enjoyed in tonight's ep. Loved the action! TONS OF ANSWERS need to be forthcoming though.
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why didn't Claire kill Kate when she had the chance?...she got all bug eyed when Kate told her that she was raising Aaron so I thought for sure she would pounce on her once she got out of the pit
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Soon. They b-tard troll-sy kids will tire soon enough, my freund. Sure, shortly to come, mom will order lights out ..or they'll get yet another I.M. drawing the wee 'mistakes of nature' back for more Scandinavian Scat Porn.
Once. 4-Chan was relevant. meant something. Now, it is just a bigger place that bigger losers congregate than AICN.
Wait. Whaaaaat.
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just had a little xtra energy tonite brotha... had to fight the good fight...
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If it was all just scenes on the island, then at the end of the season 6 there would be a group of people bitching about what happens after the island and the show ended. These Flash Sideways help kill 2 birds with one stone...just be patient and watch.
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good point brotha...now if only it would SPREAD lol...
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And I was gonna type somethin mean and snark-y bout Shaun White being months away from becoming the new Carrot-Top and then you see what the lad can do with a board hot or cold ..and you are just like ..Gaaaawddaaaaamn!
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Ok folks...ready for the formula for this season?
First 6 episodes...you only get 2 answers per episode.
Next 4 episodes...you only get 3 answers per episode.
Next 3 episodes...you only get 4 answers per episode.
Next 2 episode...you only get 2 answers per episode.
2 hour Series Finale...You get a fuckin SHIT LOAD of answers!
Do the math, folks...If they answer all the questions NOW...you won't watch all the way to MAY.
It's March fuckin 2nd! Give it a rest, please, for the love of fuckin Benjiman!
Either gather some damn patience...or go watch Jersey Shore or somethin! I was so happy when the end date was announced...But I could never have forseen that the end date would put such unrealistic expectations on how fast people needed their precious questions answered!
I kinda wish we all thought there WAS a season 7 coming!! The Zombie Season would have rocked!~
Please...just try and appreciate the tiny bones they throw out each week and stop whining like a kid who only got 3 Gummy Bears instead of 5.
The answers are coming...but there's a committment to ABC to deliver whopping ratings for the May finale...and if Darlton doles out ALL the answers before then...the show's end game gets figured out...and there's no REASON for us to stick around for the big send off.
ABC gave them a chance to end the show on THEIR terms...they OWE ABC huge ratings in May. All they owe us is a great ride getting there.
And tonight...was a great ride, for me anyways. Your mileage may vary. You are entitled to your frustration & opinion...but dear God...it's starting to sound like a broken record in here...a broken record in here...a broken record in here...a broken record in here...a broken record in here...a broken record in here...a broken record in here...
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and your like gooood Gaaawd-daaamn!
This is a Samberg parody or somethin. I'm jus sayin.. I think. If the boy tried he could paint his nails two shades darker and get four ..maybe five more rings on his fingers. I am pretty certain were the last four got lost up in..
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FUCK LENO!!! hes the Sizzler to Rickey's Daddy...the Bake to the Shake ( see!! it backwards NOW )... the Voodoo to good late nite....arrrghhhh... not u too!!!!
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lol. these "dumasses" are stuck on NOTQUICKENOUGHANSWER ISLAND...in the past...
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...really was a portend of things to come. Some choosing FLocke's side...some choosing Jacob's...it's all in that picture.
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"The smoke monster kicked ass like a 1987 Mike Tyson tonight"
Red Velvet Cupcakes....
If I had to ordinate late night hosts to go out and get a drink on with...
1) Craig Ferguson ..he's Scots and now sober ..and that is important with how much i can drink
2) Yimmey..cause I am sure I could drink him under and get him to show me the Sarah Silverman sex tapes ..and you just know those are all kinds of fuckin bizarre. I'm jus sayin. I've heard things.
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Emilie De Ravin on the kid from SNL's show in a few minutes! A cleaned up, sparkly fresh Claire!!
Damn! And I'm all outta Jergens! FUCK!
Speakin of which...anyone see Emilie in that ad for that movie starring the gay vampire boy? Man, that looks like a steamy pile of dingo dirt!
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Poor, Poor Sayid...
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... Eventually fall to the Dark Side, based on the Last Supper picture? Sure is starting to look that way, eh?
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Um....nope. That cast photo has nuthin to do with what's playing out. But fun to speculate!
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Gotta sit thru a Wesley Snipes interview. How did he become relevant again? Someone please 'splain.
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... don't sound like real LOST fans to me. Just sayin'. Why'd you start watching in the first place? Was it just for answers? Not for the characters? Oh, that explains all your complaints about the lack of every answer being given in the BEGINNING of the season. Hmmm.
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for Emilie's interview. The girl is fuckin "hot" to quote Miles...but not the brightest candle on the cake.
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I didn't think the Last Supper picture would end up meaning anything. Not saying it will in the end... BUT RIGHT NOW, four of the six people on Locke's left (his right, our left) are now following him. So... hmmmm....
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Thought sure that Sayid would die since it was his flash. Great episode like always!
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LOVED IT. Not much else to say. I just hope to hell they don't kill off Ben Linus next week. He's the best character they've ever had.
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I mean, they ARE in the fountain of youth, like Sayid was... Or do they need to be dragged out in order to be reborn?
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Size, Blade Shape, Carry, Metallurgy.
Haven't watched it again ..but seemed as a Xiphos.
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I don't see him as Locke. I don't lament the loss of a great character. I don't see him as Locke acting different. I really see him as someone completely different, a totally different entity with different motivations behind those eyes and smiles and frowns. Its a testament to Terry O Quinn's acting that he can seem like someone *completely* new, to the point where I hardly ever see the old Locke in him... but sometimes there's juuuuuuust enough to remind me who he once was.
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Mar 03, 2010 12:20:11 AM CST
That's going to go down as one of the craziest LOST episodes eve
by nopix
It was creepy, full of action, dramatic, bloody, and awesome. And the flash sideways was intriguing. We don't know where it's going yet, but he did run into Jin.
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"You know, like that one the Dharma folks set up?"
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... In order to leave? Because then and only then he won't have anyone to protect or to judge? He won't have a purpose when everyone is dead?
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When Kate was looking up at it.
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Because you can't turn a Dogen off. Unless Smokey sends in a semi-trusted DarkSider with a knife, I mean.
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When I say character development, I'm not talking about all the stuff that happened throughout the season. Obviously there's a lot - some would even say too much (jack's tattoos). But these sideways aren't anything new...the characters are just experiencing the same shit they've experienced before, and I don't mean like Jack getting one drink instead of two. I mean, like Sayid's "I'm a torturer, but I'm trying to change" schtick which has been re-used season after season, this time even more blandly. I think the problem is that because they are not actual flash-backs, there is no connectivity to the characters we see in different timelines. That is, the dilemmas they face in the sideways hold no real weight in the present because it's not really the same person. I'm sure they share a link, but right now as an audience, not knowing that link is really detracting from the proper enjoyment. I'm not looking for answers, just good writing.
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It was the secret exit that Hurley and Jack used to sneak out of the Temple.
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What kind of small-thinking moron are you? By that logic, EVERY show is a freaking waste of time. So much for wanting foreshadowing, setup, character development, and thematic subtext in a show, jeebus cristo.
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Emilie de Ravin is dumb. I just think she does lots and lots of drugs.
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Belt and suspenders, I say! Why not Dogen AND a sonic fence. Just in the incredibly incredibly super-unlikely event some angry little Iraqi decides to beat Dogen to death with his bare hands?
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Wanna personally thank you for getting the new talkbacks up so early this season. Nice job, brutha. Last season you were killin me!
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DogEn turned it on, "Spread the ash!" remember? Spreading the ash? No? nothin?
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And his Industry to build them a Sonic Fence before giving his ass the boot off the Island. Juuuuuuuuuust to be on the safe side. Though I guess they figured having a Dogen was laughable to begin with since there was no way Jacob would ever be killed.
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Emilie didn't do so bad tonight. Loved Jimmy trying to trick her into spilling the end. Almost got her. SNIPERS!
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Sayid is playing Smokey. He "killed" Dogen and Lennon, sure. But he left them both in the Not-Lazarus Pit -- he even "killed" Dogen the same way he "died" in the premiere. It would not shock me in the slightest if Sayid had this all figured out (or at least the salient details) and did it to get close to Fake Locke and figure out his next move. That would cement Sayid as the show's ultimate badass and give him the redemption he truly wants...or maybe not and he's really turned and everyone's screwed :-).
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Mar 03, 2010 12:40:41 AM CST
Emilie was prob better than Robert Pattinson on The Daily Show
by d.vader
He was either drunk or stoned or just a ditzy idiot with laughably bad hair.
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It was different how it was the character telling it and not a flashback. I liked Dogen and will miss him. Lennon not so much.
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I'm getting really sick of people whining about not getting Answers for Questions from previous seasons when it's becoming increasingly obvious that half the people in this Talkback aren't FUCKING PAYING ATTENTION to things Being SAID and SHOWN week by week. RIGHT NOW!It would be one thing if two of you couldn't remember something that happened in Season 2 or one of you forgot an answer we were already given in Season 5, but half of you are misremembering things we were SHOWN or TOLD a week or two or three ago.Don't believe me? Go back to the top of this Talkback and read the crackpot theories. Last Week's Talkback was even WORSE. I'll post examples Below...
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Sayid has ALWAYS had something that sounded like a British accent. What show have you been watching the past 5 years, and how many Iraqis are you friends with?
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Hot piece of ace.
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is the funniest fuckin poster ive read in a long time.
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because that was so super difficult.
I didn't hate Lighthouse, I was thought it was the weakest of these first six hours.
This week's was obviously better, thanks to the ending(s). Liked Jin's skip-ahead cameo, loved Sayid kicking the moneychangers out of the temple and loved the Great Smokey Beatdown of 2007.
I think the "he" who's coming might be Aaron, carried to the island on a ornate golden throne borne on the backs of an enslaved Charles Widmore, Desmond Hume, Eloise Hawking and Walt Lloyd.
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Don't forget: they had Dogun…AND JACOB. You know; the guy who had successfully protected the island since the days of ancient Egypt? Kinda hard to blame the temple folk for feeling “omnipotent” after being smokey-free for 5,000 years! Think of it this way. Imagine someone going to Kodak in the 1980’s and saying “hey watch me make a digital picture” and having them snort back, “Dude we make FILM, there ain’t no way anything will replace film!” That lapse of judgment is a heck of a lot less explicable than a group of people protected by a seemingly omnipotent leader for thousands of years. So, yeah; they didn’t think they needed the piss poor easily turned off sonic fence. Makes sense to me...in, you know, MHO.
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Someone in here was asking how Ilana would know so much about the Temple being an "Off Islander"? WHAT FUCKING SHOW ARE YOU WATCHING? She works for JACOB! She called Richard by his real name! Or at least the LATIN version of it.She's an OTHER! Jacob's secret pet Off Island Other that Richard and Ben and the MIB seem to have no foreknowledge of. But we've KNOWN that since LAST SEASON'S FINALE! She's demonstrated knowledge of Jacob, the MIB, Alpert, The Cabin, etc etc WATCH THE FUCKING SHOW etc etc and you can't figure out how she knows things about the Temple? Too busy drooling over her rack to PAY ATTENTION to everything she's DONE and SAID since halfway through LAST SEASON?
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how about Dogen being someone THAT important and... hasnt even BBEN on the island that long. u know with the references to banks and baseball. and HERC needs to get a freakin GRIP man... no SONIC FENCE??? REALLY??? man i dig his opinion on the fuckwad LENO but....
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This was all kinds of good for me. I'm happy as shit now.Alwys a hoot to leave the best talkback of the season, full of thoughts and theorixin' and stuff, nap for a few hours and come back to find a shark infested swamp with homoerotic crocagator vs. Pihranacuda namecalling going on. Always big fun to watch people who don't even realize they're trolls discuss a show about people who don't realize they're evil.After a few after school special episodes like "The Son we never knew Jack had is a big pianist", it's nice to see some action-adventure violence porn stuff. Big fun.
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The only thing I question though is that the water is tainted so does that mean they will come out like Sayid and Claire?
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I always make a point not to watch previews. And I always make the mistake of thinking I can waltz into these internet forums and not have the contents of the previews dumped on me anyway. Agh.
Anyway, this was another entertaining, involving episode, yet I still worry about where this is all headed. And I'm not a hater. I've been on board from the start. But after six years of dedicated viewing (I've never before even come close to devotedly watching a show over such a long time) I can't help but crave some payoff that makes the entire experience of watching the series complete. It honestly seems to be getting so convoluted that I can't imagine how it can all come together again.
The showrunners had said the final season will hark back to season 1 in terms of the story being about the characters. We're really only getting that from the alt-timeline stuff. But it's the island timeline where the show has invested most of it's time through six seasons. And in this timeline, we have actors playing new characters. Terry O'Quinn and Naveen Andrews are doing a fine job as baddies (especially Naveen in this episode) but I hope it's something more complex then "Locke and Sayid are dead but they're strutting around as evil body snatchers".
Don't get me wrong I don't feel like the show is wasting my time. But there's no question, the showrunners HAVE to have something good for the end game here. The show has been great at pulling off unpredictable turns but it can't just be unpredictable for the sake of being unpredictable.
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and hes a class A FUCKING IDIOT!!! wow never thought id say that...
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Mar 03, 2010 12:56:14 AM CST
Well, Herc, I think they DID believe it to be super difficult
by d.vader
A) The Man in Black was theoretically trapped, the Others probably believe. B) The Man in Black, the only one on the Island who wants Jacob dead, can't kill Jacob directly C) No one but the Leader could ever see Jacob, and even then it wasn't a sure deal (as Ben never saw him). D) And even then, the Leader would never have a reason to kill Jacob bc, theoretically, everyone has faith in him and is a follower. So, to their eyes, it did seem like Jacob being killed was extremely improbable.
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We get to remember past storylines with old charcters showing up and its leading to something. Jin showing up definately shows this.
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Remember Ilana DID know Richard was Richardus, but she DIDN'T know what he looked like.
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I would like to know more about what Dogen's job exactly was, but if not that was good enough.
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with all these lame "questions"???
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on the right side down a little. http://lostroom23.blogspot.com/
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....to drag out not giving us a name for this character this long tells me it's going to be a real oh shit moment. Or the writers decide to cop out and never name him. One of the two.
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why trust someone as "young" island-wise as dogan with the protection of the temple. hmmm...kinda curious. maybe he had more "faith" in the island than anyone else....
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in previous seasons, did each episode start (after the 'previously on LOST clips) with the flash-forward, flash-back, etc? Or did they start with the on-island plot? Because this season always starts with the flash-sideways, then wooshes to the island. I just put in my s2 dvd, and every episode began on the island, and then flashed to the flashback....
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I'm unsure about the "tainted" water. Given what Alpert said last season about healing Young Ben and what happened after, given what happened to Rousseau's crew when they were in the Temple (though we don't know if they took a dip or not), and given what happened with Sayid, what the water does doesn't seem to be in question. Alpert knew the procedure would change Ben; Dogen acted like he expected the same from Sayid. The only reaction was to the look of the pool, how it was all cloudy. Maybe the murkiness of the water isn't what triggers a change, but what protects people from it? what if the murkiness was triggered by Jacob's death, by Jacob becoming one with the Island (as perhaps seen by his appearances to Hurley and Fake Locke)...akin to Obi-Wan "becoming more powerful than [Vader] can possibly imagine" when Vader killed him? I like the chess analogy -- I think Jacob either had a contingency plan in case Fake Locke got the better of him, or he's still in the game and Fake Locke is oblivious to that fact.
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his last name is Dawson, dumbass
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switch to Xanax.
Um...that would be me who referred to the smoking hot, exotic ass kicker that is Ilana as an 'off islander', brutha. And yes...I have been watching the same show as you.
Pardon the comment...but I was actually trying to be cute by pointing out her 'well versed' understanding of the Temple secret chambers for someone who spent what appears to be a lot of her time off island with a banged up noggin.
We just know so little about her early connection to the island...and how SHE knew the secret panel to the only safe exit out, when the folks that hang their drawers in the Temple all this time were all tryin to leave out the front door?
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Some started with a flashback, others on Island. They liked to break it up so you never knew exactly where they were sometimes. For instance, I'm pretty sure "White Rabbit" started with the EYE OPENING of Jack, but it was Jack as a kid during a flashback.
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was unhappy with this episode because he wants to know more about Richard. And he wants to know "What Happened to Claire?"We're getting an Alpert centric episode later this season. We've KNOWN that for WEEKS. I think Herc even posted WHICH episode it's going to be. It's one thing to gripe about answers not being given fast enough. But when you've been told that a specific character is going to be addressed in a specific episode and you're STILL griping?As for Claire: Does the word IMPLY mean anything to you people? How about the word INFER? We KNOW what happened to Claire! She wandered around on the Island for 3 years going LOCO with noone to talk to but her "Father" and her "Friend". And she was Tortured by the Others just like Sayid because she's "Infected".We were TOLD that!We were SHOWN that!We HAVE that ANSWER!"What Happened to Claire?!" What happened to your ability to process information delivered Verbally and/or Visually?
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is that since it's NOT a season long series finale, the long awaited answers are trickling out in hi-def jotter free slo-mo. The answers we're being given are not yet clear explanatins, just very significant hints. We don;t know everything there is to know about a smoke monster, but knowing it's a He instead of an it is major. Seeing the Numbers in two new applications relevant to their importance is still not a complete explanation. but, dude, no matter how unrealistic your idea of sci-fi is, Islands do not rig lotteries. Some things have to be accepted as coincidence and if you can't stretch your suspension of disbelief that far, WSFY, (wrong show for you.)Currently the BIG Mystery: Whussup w/ the FlashSides?Tonight Sayid reveals he can never have what he wants: Nadia alive again. NonLocke tells him maybe he can and we cut directly to the SideFlash of Sayid and Nadia. Looks like the framework of a direct connection; do you need the dots connected on the palm of your hand?One legit fan-gripe as opposed to troll-carping: STILL introducing new characters at this stage? Did we need the Temple Others, other then as a way to show us what Cindy, Zach and Emma were up to? Well, lets say no and kill 'em. Yayyy.ADD kids who need there answers now want 'em BIG, don't wanna count minor revelations. Well, with only sixteen hours to work with, they couldn't clearly show us how long Sayid was dead, so this episode Miles comes straight out and says "man, you were dead two hours, and the Temple Others did NOT save you." That may be an answer to a question no one thought to ask, but it's still solid, pretty important information.The second that Dogen/Sayid fight broke out, three moves in I was pretty sure "one of these men are going to die." No, I did not expect a fallen baseball to end round one, but Sayid sure came back in round two and finished the thing.Holy crap, talk about foreshadowing, a character identified as an ASSASSIN and a guy named LENNON! Do the math.But why are all the first time casual viewers so convinced that Dogen and Lennon might actually be permanently dead when they're floating face down in the Resurrection Pool? The pool saved Ben, it revived Sayid, why would it not heal Dogen and Lennon?
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I've just reviewed your history of talkbacks, which turns out to be one long string of slurs, insults, trolling and personal attacks. One more and you are gone, junior.
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Who knows what the group has been talking about on the way to the Temple, but they knew some bad shit was about to go down. "Where's Sayid?" Ben rises to the challenge: "I'LL go get him!" Made me want to stand up and cheer. Finally this season we got to see Ben with a purpose! "Come with me, its not too late!" Sayid: "It is for me." Flashes Ben the CRAZY EYES and fingers a bloody knife. Ben did exactly what I would... and calmly backed away. I forgot already, but did we see Ben meet up with the rest of the group or do we assume he found his way there?
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In season 1 they mixed it up. Some would start on island, and others would start with a flashback - Locke's episode Deus Ex Machina comes to mind. The episode opens with Locke working in a toy store.
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If MIB was trapped in the cabin and Locke saw him...what monster was out there killing people?
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Do editors and mods have the ability to pretty much single out a talkbacker and see every post he's ever made without any context to his or her replies? Just a talkback full of one person's posts, for example? I've been banned before and still can't figure out if it was a mistake or someone with a grudge.
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we're giving the creators/writers a little bit too much credit personally.
Don't get me wrong some of it has been f'ck'ng fantastic, but i think they just slipped up a few times and we've taken details which have no purpose or shouldn't have been in there and its made it too difficult too see a plausible ending or answer that can explain everything.
What'd that pointy eared goblin basterd say, Once you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.
Now its fiction so nothing's impossible so long as they can back it up with fictional fact, or explain it, but with everything going on, as someone said they'd have to get jacob give his episode long lecture by the foot to do that.
My guess is its what they've already showed with irrelevant gaps to the storyline. There's a good guy, a bad guy,(who knows what they are and where they came from, they're definately not going to answer that definitively) and a game of backgammon. Each one is trying to get their pieces to go one place, whoever gets theirs there first wins. With all the timeline crap I reckon its going to Deus Ex Machina bigtime, Russell T. Davies will probably Guest produce.
Basically everything that happened mattered, but none of it matters.
All time lines existed to serve their purpose of bringing about the endgame in the correct order with the correct pieces in place, and then the winning prize is the black & white sides go "home" or "ascend" or whatever BS religious/sci-fi/mythical spin they decide on for the last episode, and all timeline reset and go back to the plane not crashing. They've shown they have the power to pass through time, move objects in time, and guide destiny, is it that far-fetched to assume they can plan 4th dimensionally and manipulate time in order to "win"?
I do like the idea someone mentioned about the flash-sideways actually being the "post-war" timeline, in that its not what happened if the bomb went off, but what happens when the war is over.
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Yes. People don't usually get banned (at least not by me) unless they've demonstrated a history of bad behavior.
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just wondering myself brotha....
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The Locke-centric and tonight's Sayid-centric are my favorites so far for this season. Great to get more Sayid-fu action, lots of creepy tension, the score by Giaccino is great - loved hearing Kate's theme" when she came back in the temple. Terry O'Quinn may deserve another Emmy nomination for FakeLocke - he's playing him a bit differently than Locke. The quick "here are some of the other characters now at the temple" bit at the end was rushed, but didn't sink the whole episode.
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I'm glad you gave Billbo one instead of making his posts disappear without explanation. I've seen it happen many times before (though not on your watch).
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You're right, I need to calm down. But these crackpot theories being thrown around in here by people who obviously are paying more attention to their own imaginings than THE SHOW ITSELF are making my head explode. How can ANYONE think Dharma was Never on the Island in the Sideways Reality when we were SHOWN a Dharma Shark swimming past an Underwater Dharmaville?
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Mar 03, 2010 1:28:40 AM CST
A question about last week's music and its character connection
by d.vader
So last week during all the off-Island Jack scenes, Giacchino didn't play Jack's Theme music. Instead he played... Juliet's! Though it could be argued that the theme is *actually* "Jack and Juliet" since it first appeared at the end of the Season 3 episode where Jack and Juliet ride the ferry from Hydra Island back to LOST Island at night and share the experience together. It was a wonderful piece of music, and next to the development of the sinister Season 2 and 3 Others' Theme into the melancholy and somber Ben's Theme, it was my favorite new piece of music for a long time. But during every Juliet flashback episode afterward, they always played that music, and so it seemed it had become "Juliet's Theme". But last week it played during Jack's scenes, including one's with his son. Does this potentially mean that Juliet is Jack's ex-wife and baby-momma? Eeeeeeenteresting, no?
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But he owes you a big time appo-poly-ology since he was diametrically opposed to being correct about the last name of the Illegitimate son of the unwed Michael Dawson and Susan Lloyd.Not to fellate my own brass, but I mention Michael, Walt and Susan BY NAME in the 5-part fan fic posted above, and I mentioned it in a previous talkback when I looked up Walter Lloyd's correct full name because I wondered it Walt was short for Wallace 108. Which it isn't.Speaking of appy-polly-ologies owed but never to come, a week or two back some probe was pretty insistent that Joanna was Joanna Miller's last name. Um, it isn't.
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We can track your talkback history across the entire site. Your first post was on Sat, 03/07/2009 - 2:07am. It read: "how stupid is is this new "character". they send text mess. directly to Clair's freaking phone and im on the the governments main computer system at Building 26. gee i hope they dont try to track me......"
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After this many talkbacks offerd up I conjure Herc is feelin a bit like Non-John. So, as master of the lecture, putting up with this much mush dumb and mean ..and drunk.. and whatnots. His best and worthy task is to be Socratic, challenge every and all assumptions. I'm just sayin. Beautimous bastard.
Be thankful for a place free (as long as you buy some stuff off Amazon ..heh, I'm still pissed about $16 somethin for Serenity on DVD) to crack wise this about that. ya know.
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Was that a Heroes talkback I wonder?
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Hey, anyone get that ep in HD?
Who's the blonde mummy with the kid at the beach on the back wall when he's listening to the answerring machine...
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I thought the Lighthouse episode was good because it was the only episode of this season that felt like 'classic' Lost.
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You're right Ilana didn't know what Richard looked like. And he HAD NO IDEA WHO SHE IS. Neither does Ben. Neither does Old Smokey. She's Jacob's Wild Card.
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last week crazy Claire vows "If Kate took Aaron I'll kill her!" and this week Kate peers down into Claire's pit and says (not an actual quote) "Hi Claire, remember me? I'm Kate and I TOOK YOUR BABY off the island!" Yay, way to poke the bear, Kate.Also, always great to see Keamy die. Not because he was a slightly effeminate egg-cooker, just on the general principles that he's Martin Keamy. CAP!!![poom]Lost
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Yes, it was a Heroes post: AICN post no. 40324
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Showin your age and adoptin a combat stance and a passive aggressive pose up above. I do know so well ..about.
Love your writin though.
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Ilana is Yves Adele Harlowe and Richard, Ben and MIB are the Gobsmacked Trio. Which is funny because Zuleikha Robinson actually WAS Yves Adele Harlowe.
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Now that I slowly piece together my memories and recall that episode, Jay sorta has a point with that. Though I think that kid who talks to computers could just as easily erase all phone call and IM text history. Bleh. Now you got me chatting Heroes. On a LOST board. Way to go Herc.
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Doc Jensen over at EW has a theory that David's big blue eyes were not a coincidence, but rather are a product of the bonding Jack & Juliets reproductive juices in the sideways world.
Not a long stretch, considering they are both doctors & that they might have hooked up at some medical convention and knocked some boots.
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have you had an opportunity to review the work of a poet named lostboytexass?(Oh, boo me, I just said what everyone else was thinking.)
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She apparently already knew Jacob when he came to visit her mummy-looking face in that Russian hospital. Next time we saw that kisser of hers -- flirtily batting its lashes at Sayid -- it didn't sport so much as mini-Curad.
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I've been WAY behind the times with him this year.
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aintitcool.com/user -> track
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without a fancy post search scanner. All ya gotta do is scroll up, Herc! You'll find enuff evidence for the boot in 4 of his last posts! Lol!
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"Yay, way to poke the bear, Kate."
Right on. Bear Pit. Was that intentional? Do you know the history of the Bear Pit?
Beyond Kirk Douglas and Tony Curtis..Erik and Einar..scratched out eyes and cut off hands.
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I don't my showing my 57 years one month two weeks and a day of age. And yes, the morning after Chapman adopted a combat stance was one of those JFK/9-11 moments that divided my entire life into before and after. Put a Lennon and an Assassin on the same island, whadaya 'spect? If only Yoko'd had a resurrection pool.You say passive aggressive, I say sarky. You're not referring to where I said you seemed drunker than usual, because that was meant as "high" praise. Peace out FauxMulder - I like your stuff too.
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and go read Doc's glorious 'Alice In WonderLOST' recap of "Lighthouse" and you will be amazed at his revelations. The videos that follow on the last page are awesome, too...and where he ponders a sideways world with Juliet & Jack together with son...then apart. Mind the spaces!
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Harold Perrineau said he gets to apologize to her, and it's not in the flash sideways world, so I'm guessing they're ghosts. Hurley's likely involved.
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He's like Smokey searching and downloading information, possibly to ban/kill you. But he's basically a security system.
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Can't speak to Lennon. Honestly, to sound like the kids here and about.. he never impressed me that much. I was, in retro much more keen on the door than the bug. heh, light my fire, baby.
For me, the moment was Cobain. There is history there, as mentioned, drunkenly as you feature, before.
Ah, it is only a calendar that divides us and what is that, eh?
Everything. Anyway, now I have moooved on to being pissed at Cheif. Gosh-dammit. -
I was not at all familiar with http://tinyurl.com/thewolfpitthough viking funerals, long-lost brothers, crude compasses, long-boats - seems Lost-relevant.Any image I was subconsciously trying to evoke would refer to AnaLucia stashing Tailies and Losties in a pit, James and Kate's fishbiscuit-fueled bearcage tryst and the time honored practice of bear-baiting the trolls.As I keep telling my formerly beloved Susan, "I'm not nearly as smart or as literate as you seem to hope I am."But you sir are quite informative: I found the movie of which you spoke simply by googling the three cast members you mentioned together in one search. And it was a wolf pit, not a bear pit. 8)
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Was episode three, Kate on the fucking run. That was insulting.
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"That other guy Jim" (as Flo & Eddy referred to him) was sad but the image: pop star gets fat, has heart attack in bathtub - seemed anticlimactic. Finding out the truth much later - he OD's on heroin at a nightclub and his friends Weekend-at-Bernie'd him home and striped him and tossed him in the tub as cover - that was epic.Mr. Hole was after my time. Not the voice of my generation, we'll let pickle Bob and Pete Who fight over that honor. Though if Cobain really did, as oft credited, actually ride in on a grungy horse and slay the hair metal monster, eternal props for that. I could never shake the image of what a mess he left for Courtney to clean up though. Never a Nirvaniac but I've tended to like what I've heard. And you can never have too many cover versions of SmellsLTS...The Band of Gypsies LP - recorded @ the Fillmore, December 31st, 1969, was the literal end of the sixties, but Chapman in a combat stance at the Dakota was the figurative.
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1) You missed the Jin in the Meat Locker as Metaphor for bloody and preserved.
2) No love for callin Sayid was rewired to kill Keamy, sort of, was an 'event' required on both sides of the 'horizon'
3) You can na tell me why Sawyer is wearin size 12 shoes at his parent's funeral
4) Again, no love for the 'Bloody finger post' ..even this is what.. the 3rd week with reference to scales and good and evil and dark and light and Mirror darly natures..
5) The query on the consequences of actions taken by certain 'LOSTies'..being..ok. too spoil-y
But, of late, or rather to date ..recent. Your post twice of that hack Doc Jensen, who swoops and swipes theory from all the talk back ponds around. when will he bring up Djinns. again.
But to be specific..you make point of David Shephard blue eyes, after, after I asked you to check Season 1, episode 5, 'White Rabbit' bout 40 minutes in? A long time, and just these weeks ago?
Well, I am pissed. Gosh-dammmit!
Not, really.. it is just much more fun to write ridiculous angry than not. jus sayin. -
Considering how whacky these TB's can get, thought I should quote the schoolyard riddle that inspired the Bob Dill reference, so no one would think it was some anti-semitic pickle nose reference.Seriously, I love the Semites.
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Yeah, it does seem kinda weird to identify Claire as "the Australian chick", pointing out the odd lack of Ozzy survivors among the 44 who lived from a Sydney-to-LA trip.
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I guess I'm pretty mundane. It will take a rewatching and a few days of intensive talk-backing to truly discern "what did we learn on the show tonight"?I just much prefer a balls to the wall adrenalin pumping all out action thrill-ride kill-fest like this to an afternoon special about a introspective boy and his piano. Guess I'm just shallow that way.
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I apologize. I will work my frazzled brain pan on these and more MacFaux puzzlers after the "Sun Up"...as I am fallin asleep in my spitoon at the moment.
Stay frosty.
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"He's coming and we can't stop him" gets used for a Lost porn fan-fic?
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Mar 03, 2010 2:48:20 AM CST
Dogan's story may have explained the alternative timeline
by prof. pop-cult
In this episode, it looks like we were finally given a hint as to why the alternate timeline exists, when Dogan told the story of his dead son and Jacob making him an offer to bring him back.As for how Libby fits in later this season: I wonder if she could be David's mother. (The second, and actually most logical, possibility would be Juliet.) Sarah is blonde, and so are Libby and Juliet. So considering this pattern alone, it fits.
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Sayid seemed to believe Dogan when he said that killing Unlocke was a way to redeem himself, especially since he way willing to stab him without even talking to Unlocke. So when the stabbing failed, Sayid just did what Unlocke told him to do so he would get in close with him. Staying with him til he finds a weakness or opportunity to kill him.
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but would he kill 2 people simply to get in good with someone on the off chance he finds a way of killing someone/thing that doesn't mind a bit of light stabbing?
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I'm on, my time..
with everyone.
I have,
very bad posture...
Sit and drink Pennyroyal tea,
Distill the life that's inside of me.
Sit and drink Pennyroyal tea,
I'm anemic royalty.
Give me..
Leonard..
Cohen after world.
So I, can sigh, eternally.
I'm so tired I can't sleep.
I'm a liar and a theif.
sit and drink Pennyroyal tea,
I'm anemic royalty.
I'm on, warm milk..
and laxatives.
Cherry, flavored,
antacids.
Sit and drink Pennyroyal tea,
Distill the life that's inside of me.
Sit and drink Pennyroyal tea,
I'm anemic royalty.
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I think Sayid knows how important it is that Unlocke is stopped. He'd kill anyone short of a friend to get that done. He doesn't know anything about Unlocke really but he's on the island for a reason. Maybe this is it.
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Jacob has implied all the canidates have a purpose for being there. They all have something they need to do even if they don't know it. I think this is Sayid's and on some level he knows it.
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It just seems like theres very few characters that even care whats going on. You'd think out of all of them they would question everything around them, but they don't.
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Workin hard to keep the board troll-y free. I'm jus sayin. The man is all right now and then some.
Name that movie! 3 words. Last three of that last sentence.
Jay would know! Rock on Jay. You da man! -
dumb Americans.
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Accidentally hit enter. But are we still supposed to be leaning toward Jacob and the Others being good and Smokey bad? It's the final hours of the show and the others still cannot explain a fucking thing. Dogen to Saydi: You're evil, but you can prove you're good by killing someone you don't know because a guy who has tortured you and tried to kill you and has been the cause of countless other deaths of your friends tells you to.Why would any of the 815ers believe a damned thing the others say. They have every reason to side with MIB. And what answers did we get tonight? Dogen tells Sayid why he tried to kill him, which he had already explained to Jack. Sayid asks why Dogen didn't kill him himself and he tells Sayid a story and avoids the question.
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no answers, just more questions
sideways 'verse sucks worse than back flashes
Just don't give a fuck about that shit
It's like garnishes on a plate
Don't want that shit
Get it out of here
It dilutes the stuff I do want
Seamy's part in the over all story is now maybe 1/8th as cool as it was before
Stuff on the island = cool
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*snort* Really? no answers, just more questions? Seriously? That, is your bitch? Nipple, that whinge, is just, ya know... Life.
Welcome to the Menagerie. Funny, how they forgot to tell you... this is all you will ever be..
Garnishes? If you had ate your vegetables.. you might have better appreciated your meat. And if you had ate your meat, well, you might have got some puddding.
But as you don't really, like puddding, but just like eating the meat... Well, I feature you will just wind up SUCKING Jello. Probably, masticated and fed to you by someone else through a straw.
And if so, then why did you want any pudding?
It is like you have hit The Wall.
Butterscotch.
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The Sayid and Nadia musical que being the same as Desmond and Penny. The whole episode ..was so well done, in the tragic conveyed.
Bravo.
And speaking of audio imagery.. did any one notice that when Sayid asked Dogen .."Let's start with that Machine.."
The sound was as same as the Flash-Sideways?
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Things are getting nonsensical, and people (and plot devices) are just appearing out of thin air.
Jack: "A light house. How did we not see this before?"
Hurley: "Maybe we weren't looking for it, dude."
Oh, fuck off, Darlton. This shit doesn't cut it. LOST had better recover from amateur scriptwriting bullshit like THAT, or you'll have nothing but the biggest disappointment since the endings of KINGDOM HOSPITAL and BATTLESTAR GALACTICA on your hands.
(For those who care: my favourite ever series finales? "Blake" in BLAKE'S SEVEN, and the last ep of BOSTON LEGAL, which finally wrote The Shat into legend. I actually prefer Denny Crane to James T Kirk. No horseshit, Wang.) -
Wanna bet he dies in the flash sideways and this has consequences on the island? I hope we get a Christian-centric at some point. At the moment episodes 13 and 14 seem the only ones up for grabs. I'm impressed by the fact that although there is spoilery information out there, nobody seems to have a clue about story elements or mythology. Just the odd bit of logistical stuff here and there that acts as a teaser more than anything. They've got their shit together on this. Can't believe that line about Ben's demise wasn't authorised.
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pried open my mouth and shit in my skull. In a good way.
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"- We will learn what the island is from Jacob. Last week she said that it is a 4-letter word with out an A or E but this week she says it has an O"
Read more: http://spoilerslost.blogspot.com/#ixzz0h7GkVtF2
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What I found disturbing lately is that I've been rewatching the entire series and Kate is in the supermarket an awful lot. This makes me think back to how I thought she was miscast in The Hurt Locker because when they got to that part in the movie it seemed like a flashback from Lost.
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are not done by the people involved with the shows so i could see ABC ruining a surprise like this. there's been a number of shows where the producers complained about how much commercials would show, i think Lost is even in that pack. but someone's theory of ben dying in the flash sideway could explain it too.
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I agree with McSpud. And it's not about just being negative, or complaining about the "answers", or being a hater, etc.
It's simple. If you keep the mysteries to close to the vest, if your plot is too out of sight...look, I can't feel anything or care about the narrative if I don't have any context and if I don't know what's going on. If I'm feeling around in the dark for too long, the narrative simply isn't compelling anymore.
SPOILER:
Kate walking around the temple, viewing fire and bodies and destruction, visually striking...but I feel NOTHING because I have no context. I don't know who the good guy or bad guy is, what anybody's real intentions are, or where the plot is even going. Having mysteries is one thing. Save a twist for the end. I agree with that, no worries. BUT THE WHOLE SHOW ITSELF can't be a mystery. What's the point anymore.
Admit it: you watch LOST because it's a super-famous show, and the only reason you won't just wait for this season on Netflix is because you don't want to hear people talking about it and spoil it for you. So you have to watch it every week. If this was an underground show, we would all just wait for the season to be over then rent the whole thing at once to see what was going on. -
Locke episode - blonde kid in the jungle
Kate episode - Claire/Aaron
Jack episode - his son
Sayid episode - niece and nephew
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Hear me out. I no longer think that jughead, the detonation, the incident, etc had much at all to do with the creation of the sideways verse. I think the AlteVerse is going to be the reality that Flocke creates when he lets our survivors go off the island and gives them "whatever they want" Sayid got Nadia back...but not in the way he would have wanted. But she is still alive, he can still "see her again". Sayid made a deal with the devil. I don't know know if that makes sense to anyone else, and I still tihnk Jughead obviously has something to do with the why the island sunk...but I don't think it directly created alti-verse. They are all getting what they wanted, but in that twisted "deal with the devil" way where you dont get exactly what you thoguht you were getting. Locke got his life back, for better and for worse. He has family and loved ones, but he can't walk. Jack gets to break the cycle of his fathers anger, but hes still very much alone. Kate...well, I don't really know on that one...she got to help keep Claire and Aaron together, but shes still a convict on the run. I also think it makes sense in terms of where the season is going, that eventually we will find out this Sideways Universe is actually wat happens if MiB wins and everyone gets to leave. Think about it this way, DOgen told us a story about a bargain that jacob gave him (his son life in exchange for his "life" off the island) which is a damned hard bargain. He made a deal. Flocke is making a deal too, and driving a hard bargain. You can get everything you ever wanted...but it wont be perfect. Of coruse, as with any theory, could we wrong, but something about that rings true to me. It just seems to fit in with actually making the sideways universe mean something to us, instead of just being the distraction it has appeared to be so far. Anway, I'd love to hear some real thoughts on this, if anyone has any other examples/thoughts on why this might or might not be true. Cheers
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I doubt the niece and nephew are important. The symmetry of the last two episodes was clear though: Jack / Sawyer Lighthouse / Cave Jacob / MIB Aaron (?)/ David Interesting outcomes too. Sawyer seems to side with MIB when tempted but we'll see. Jack on the other hand rejects the calling by smashing the mirrors, but again we'll see. MIB appears directly, Jacob through a conduit. Richard and Hurley seemed cast in similar roles for the purposes of those stories, trying to mediate Jack and Sawyer's beliefs about the island entities, with questions abounding as to how they can know what they know, what they can see and what they can't see. Regarding the flashback noises - someone surely has suggested it has to do with which sides are being taken, or who was watching their lives from a distance, or whether with the lighthouse or some other device in the cave, or which fate the character will soon decide for themselves, something like that. Richard may be right that MIB wants to kill everyone on the island. But a bigger question might be what would happen then? Would some people be better off? Has Jacob deceived people? Does MIB kill everyone on the island and thus create the flash sideways? What happens if you die in the flash sideways? Interested to see how these strands reconcile now they are pulling into focus. One thing I'm uncomfortable about regarding whether David does turn out to be important - surely they've introduced him (in child form at least) at this late hour for a purpose - is what would it mean for him not to exist in the original time line? Could this be a way to hand wave why Walt was momentarily thought to have potential for something? Good call all those who observed Aaron and David are both Christian's grandchildren. I know people are asking about Iliana as well as looking forward to Richard's episode, but the really big piece of the puzzle we're missing is what the deal is with Christian if you ask me. That and Aaron and the black and white stones have been there since very early days, so it's the link to understanding why these characters, on this island. The stuff with MIB and Jacob is going to be tied to our investment with the main characters through Christian, I would think, not Richard, cool as he is.
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Lost was firing on all cylinders last night, hope they keep the quality up for the final 10!
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week because the show sucks so bad. Oh wait, you'll be back just like you have after five seasons. Just go away. You hate the show, great, do something else with your life. Many of you have been complaining about this show for six years and you keep watching. That's really sad. Fing a hobby or a girlfriend.
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From the series finale.
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Is actually Miles' father.
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Actually the symmetry is looking a bit too neat for me. I would expect some reversals. But assuming for the moment that a part of the big picture might be this struggle between two of Christian's grandchildren, it suggests there's something big coming when Jack and Claire are finally allowed to meet up again. I have a feeling both sides are making dangerous choices. I think there's a third island power that knows better than MIB and Jacob. At every level the people we expect to know what's going on have been exposed to not know the entirety of their situation, so why expect this to be any different with Jacob and MIB? They've been around longer, have more control over what the island has to offer, but I bet they're just one more layer of mysteries being played off against the other. Ultimately surely it has to come back to the original characters. They will be key to what's going on, and what the destiny and the history of the island will be. I like the idea of all these flashbacks and flash forwards and flash sideways and time jumps and consciousness jumps building to some conflict over destiny lost and destiny found. It has to do with science and faith and the characters make a decision and implement it.
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So not true. I STARTED to watch LOST because I had heard so much about it. But that was in between seasons 1 and 2. I continue to watch LOST because it's one of the most compelling hours of TV...ever. I love the process of waiting a week, watching each episode, and re-watching previous eps that now have greater relevance as new info is revealed. I don't want all the answers because it would mean the end of the show. You should be able to care about the characters even if later you feel tricked, just like Usual Suspects, Memento, The Sixth Sense, Impostor, Oldboy, and any other movie or story where you thought you were watching one thing until a critical reveal happens and you realize you've been rooting for the villain or whatever.
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so i only watch this show because is popular and i wanna avoid being spoiled? sure i come here where spoilers abound, accidental or not but yes, i'm trying to avoid them. and sure i have no DVR (and never will have one) and i dont buy shows i've never seen but yet i'm only watching to avoid and be "cool"? and here i thought i was watching because i liked it. the things you learn on the internets. :P
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That's one of the most sound theories I've heard in a while.
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Thanks to his ass kicking ways we can move on from the god forsaken Temple and get shit goin again!! Fuck Dogen and Kenny Powers brother, although Dogen started to become cool this ep, still we need to move along.
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I said this last week - no, two weeks ago - and you called me retarded :-) See, there was a rhyme and reason to my speculation. I'm just two weeks faster on the draw than you are. ;-)
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I remember a lot of empty speculation about possible alte-verse meanings, and if you did say that, then I apologize. Mine is still mostly empty speculation, but I think this week, with the "bargains" and especialyl dogens story about his son, really tipped their hand in terms of where this is all going and what the other timeline means. And as I said, it doesn't fit perfectly because it, in no way, explains the sunken island. If you did say what I said somewhere in your theory two weeks ago, then kudos to you, no joke. I honestly have no recollection of that, and I shoulnd't have called you retarded. I just remember you coming out of nowhere and attacking me, and I didn't even understand why, so I've been ignoring you ever since. Two weeks ago I very well might have called that theory retarded though, since I don't think there was any indication of it, like there was this week. Until there is at least a bit of evidence on the show to support something...I don't usually put much stock in it. Apologies, but at least we are on the same page now I guess...it'll probably turn out we're both completely wrong anyway, ha
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Smoky is still running around making moves on the board after having Ben knife Jacob, so that wasn't the whole of his endgame, we're still seeing that play out on the island in 2007. The bomb coincided with getting everyone back from 1977 in time for this endgame, and Jacob has lost power but still has plays to make - touching the o6, Ilyana, the blonde boy etc. What people have been saying for weeks is it's possible that something yet to happen in 2007 is what causes the "reset" (for want of a better phrase.) Bit by bit we're seeing bigger hints. Smoky wants to go home. Smoky can offer anything you want. etc. Random thought - David is Smoky when he gets home. Probably won't be that, but it's a thought. Interesting Christian has a blonde child and a blonde grandchild, and a dark child and a dark grandchild. Christian has grey hair, I think. I still think the Frozen Donkey Wheel needs explaining. Turning the Frozen Donkey wheel is what came of whatever was going on in the cabin, and it was also what started the time flashes at the time the o6 left the island. I think the Frozen Donkey Wheel is a better "explanation" of the island at the bottom of the sea than the bomb is. Now at whose hand and when is another matter. But now we have seen different realities I question what exactly happened at the end of season four when the island "moved". We never spent time in 2004 on the island to explain that. The flashes started. Claire, Smoky, Richard, Jacob and Christian are the characters who can fill in the 2004-2007 original time line and it's conspicuous that they haven't, IMHO. Another thought about the bomb is that it was very much Daniel's story, before Jack, Sawyer and Juliet. So the significance of the bomb in terms of character fall out we have seen. But the significance of the bomb in terms of island mythology - I don't think we've seen yet. I think that will be explained through Desmond, Daniel, Eloise, Widmore etc - which is the HUGE bit of the meta-structure that we're missing at the moment. But the endgame between MIB and Jacob is still playing out in 2007 on the island, so I bet that's what causes the flash sideways. The bomb feeds into it but is only one element. People have been saying this for weeks and weeks. But we now have details such as Smoky wants to go home, and can offer people things which seem impossible, etc. What's interesting is it colours Richard's fears that MIB wants everyone on the island dead with richer nuance. Is dead really dead?
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and I don't mean Juliet's mammaries. And don't give Emilie a hard time. She's no quantum physicist, but no Paris either. And either way, Miles was right.
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Would really LOVE it if Dogen rose from the water like an avenging zombie. But if Dogen rises, Lennon would prob'y too, and I see no need for that.
It would add weight to Kate's character and explain some of her motivation if she stayed with with Fakelocke's camp, but his glance at her shows that he knows she hasn't bought what he's selling, and he knows it. -
redundancy, there's not enough of it
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Yeah, but I think he knows it.
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Why DIDN'T they have a contingency plan (i.e. sonic fence) in case Jacob AND Dogen were killed? On the one hand, I can see that. On the other, you have to think that they found it extremely unlikely that a kinda/sorta godlike Jacob and incredibly skilled martial artist and obviously special in other mystic as-of-yet-unexplained ways Dogen dying rapid-fire before they found a second fail-safe device was probably unlikely. Of course, that in fact happened, and in a pretty believable fashion (MIB not-Locke setting up the "loophole" w/ Ben and then convincing Sayid to take out the last remaining barrier to him entering the temple).In their defense, they couldn't build a fence everywhere super-fast, and maybe they had not planned on holding out at the temple until recently and were doing the best they could. Besides, even if they had the fence, Sayid could have just turned it off after taking out Dogen and Lennon, so I do not see that as making any difference in the grand scheme of things. At most, it would have bought them a very small extra bit of time. I think having Jacob AND Dogen was, at least in a way, having the suspenders and belt. Good observations though.I also wonder if, on some level, Jacob will have caused this intentionally. He seems kind of omniscient and omnipresent, so it may be possible he knew about the "dark water" and there might be hope that Sayid was right and he really IS a good person and can overcome the effects of the "infection" and the temptation to stay on MIB's side. Or maybe he is irredeemable. That WAS a pretty dark path he started walking down. Still, how much loyalty does he have to Jack and his friends (as opposed to the two guys who tortured and tried to kill him, or the Locke-alike that he knows is using him)?-Cheers
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Sayid pulling bad-ass in the kitchen! Expected him to tell Keamy,"I was a torturer in the Republican Guard, dumbass! Maybe you should be more careful who you abduct next time!"
BLAM!
"next time, ha-ha! I should say sideways-time!"
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When he was talking to Jacob, it made it seem like he was the opposite of Jacob. Jacob was the Island's protector. However, sometimes Smokey judged people on the island and gave them a chance not to die. I.e.-He killed Mr. Ecko after Mr. Ecko refused to repent. He looked John Locke in the eye, knowing that he would eventually use him. And like someone earlier said, who was in the Cabin when Locke and Ben visited it? The circle around it would presume that Smokey was trapped, but that obviously wasn't the case. I just wonder if they will address these things or if they will just remain holes in the plot...
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Those who were tainted but would NEVER side with him. Ekko was on the path to redemption, and wouldn't or couldn't be used as a pawn.
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Nadia isn't the only woman that Sayid loved who died in his arms. Shannon also died in his arms. It seems in his Flash Sideways he doesn't get Nadia. Maybe...
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None of those things are plot holes imo. I can explain all of them. Smoke Monster, even though he is evil, has to play by the "rules" (which aren't clear yet, but still apply). The best example is the pilot. The pilot was supposed to be Frank Lapidus. If Lapidus had piloted 815, like he was meant to, he wouldnt have been killed by the monster, because he was meant to be there. Seth Norris had no business on the island, was allowed to be smoke-raped, and thus, was. Eko and Locke is less clear, but dicipherable, imo. The MiB was trying to decide who would be his loophole, Eko or Locke. They were both spirutual "leaders" on the island. He needed the one who was pure, and repentant, and would, in the end, be susceptible to his manipulations. Eko never gave in, he fought back, he wouldnt repent...he was chosen against. Locke became the pawn he now is, and Eko was allowed to go (this is all complicated and sped up by the fact that Eko wanted to leave the show, thus forcing them to choose against Eko). So that covers the monster.
The cabin, I think, was MiB trapped in there. Jacob had used it at one time, but had left, and someone trapped MiB in there. But, I don't think he really was trapped, because the ash line was broken (probbaly by claire, at one point or another, most likely under the infleunce of "Christian". So he could ocme and go as he pleased, but he was using the opportunity to pretend to be jacob, freak ben out, and convince locke that "jacob" needed his help, thus putting everything we are now seeing into motion.
So, in my opinion, none of those things are relaly plot holes. Just things you have to noodle out for yourself. The end of LOST is gonna be filled with lots of noodling. I firmly believe most things will make sense, if you work it on your own. Most of the details, like what you brought up, probably ownt be outright explained. Of course, these are just my theories and opinions, so take them as you will...but I think they satisfactorily explain a lot of your queries personally. -
1)Crow3711...yeah somethin like that. Towards the end yeah maybe they get to choose the island life or the flashsideways life.
2)Ben ain't dying next week. Too much invested to have him go so early in the last season.
3)If you think we've seen the last of the real Locke, you are a fool. And when he comes back, anyone think he'll be afraid anymore? Me neither.
4)Remember Ben was able to summon Smokey way back when. That control no longer possible? Probably not.
5)Bring on Desmond. Anyone out there think he's not the one on the way to the island?
6)Waiting on Charlotte, Hawking, Widmore, Walt, and Faraday. Walt I really could care less about though.
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but loved it, awesome episode, and its only episode 6.
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Not only do I think that's a sound theory and one I pondered a few posts back but I think it goes back to Ben Linus' magic box from which, inexplicably, John Locke's father was produced. I completely forgot about it until now. It's a question the show never answered directly. How did John Locke's father and Sawyer's conman target get to the island? Did Ben's agents kidnap him by submarine? If so how come he doesn't remember anything...at all? Remember how Ben described "the box" as giving a man what he wants.
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only around for a short time, too short in my opinion, but he was as awesome as usual.
If you haven't seen Twilight Samurai/Tasogare Seibei, you should stop reading this right now and go and watch it, Sanada is brilliant, the movie is brilliant -
Nice list. But I guess I'm a fool, because I hope to god the real john locke is dead and gone. I know people want him back...but explain how to me. He is now, officially, dead for over a week, and now buried in the ground. Unless we get a ghostie locke in the final episodes to say a few choice words...I think he's done. It's much more powerful storytelling, imo, to let john locke be dead. Dead is Dead. But, of course, we will just have to wait and see.
On a side note, and this has nothing to do with my thinking we won't see him again, I think that because it makes sense to me, not because I don't like Locke as a character...but am I the only person who thought Locke is one of the most annoying characters on lost? I swear, I'm the only person who loves Jack, and finds locke infinitely more frustrating and annoyingly girlish. "I have a purpose and I'm a badass" (one minute) to "What's my purpose? Wha wha wha" over and over and over again. That was John Locke throughout the entire series. I know people liked him because he was the only one interested in the same things we were interested in (who ar these people? what is this place"=? what is my destiny?") but still...I just never found him so fascinating. He was a scared little boy who thought he had a destiny that turned out to be a joke. I find Jack a much more compelling character than that. But that's just me. I know. -
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great little song and the comment from Miles "she is still hot", can't say I would agree, but probably been a while for Miles, a drought even.
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I wonder if the MIB retains some aspect of whomever they possess or take the form of. It seems like Christian was MIB possessing him, but he still knew things and acted like Christian (calling Jack his son, how he was with and having an interest Jack & Claire, etc., etc.). They've also mentioned/alluded to there being some aspect of Locke in the MIB-version. So I wonder if those elements a/o the persona/spirit of Locke will eventually take over or have some impact.That said, those are all just guesses, not terribly helpful at this point.
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that moment of anticipation @ sundown in the temple was awesome! I was like man, I wouldnt want to be anywhere near there!
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the Kate one was average, Jack and Locke was very good
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MIB vs Jacob - is it necessarily two opposite island forces competing here, so much as two men with very different views, who happened to become embroiled in the island mythos after their enmity started? Might they have contemporaries who watched and did nothing, or who left the island etc? The black and the white may be open to interpretation, this is just the current hegemony. They seem to know about rules and duties, so perhaps their personal struggle is in conflict with the more natural oppositional balance of the island entities which they have come to represent, and they have to play at getting round this to carry on their ideological or personal feud - which they're just stubborn about, and others would think is stupid. What I mean is it might not be that the Black Smoke is naturally antagonistic to whatever Jacob is - MIB just doesn't like him. And Jacob isn't necessarily the White Smoke, he might be something else. But there might in fact be a White Smoke, and that struggles going on, but MIB, or Jacob, are less personally invested in it, but they diligently attend to it as island business, because that's the role they have been given - probably because of being stuck on the island for so long playing out their disagreements. So if they are stuck in this perpetual loop, as some have theorised, it may not be this grand Good vs Evil thing after all. For instance, say Sawyer blames Jack for Juliet's death, and Jack and Sawyer take on island powers. In two thousand years time, we crash on the island, and get told a story about how Jack is a hero and Sawyer is a villain and it's this almighty struggle on the island between good and evil. Well, actually, no. It's just two stubborn guys who don't see eye to eye and have been shooting themselves in the foot for too long to help them selves. And they've got kind of pious about it and spout apocalyptic drivel because they've had a long time to dwell on things. Meanwhile Sawyer has to do all this black smoke shit that he doesn't really understand, but which someone told him he had to or it would be trouble, which is okay with him because it's a useful tool to help him fuck with Jack, and Jack has to do all this stuff some guy Jacob said needed doing in return for some nifty skills he can use to fuck with Sawyer. Meanwhile Kate rolled her eyes and went home, and Locke wandered off into the jungle to live out his days in peace. And now we've crashed on the island, Jack and Sawyer try to force us to take sides in their petty conflict resolution, which is actually pretty fucking dangerous by now because they've got too big for their boots and are neglecting their responsibilities in favour of fucking with each other. But if we're lucky, we'll just wander off and find Locke in the jungle, who can explain what a load of nonsense it is, and help us get a boat home. But not before a couple of us take sides and end up perpetuating the whole mess when they get left behind, even when Jack and Sawyer figure out a way to kill each other and the whole thing should be over. Meanwhile it turns out the black smoke is a nifty bit of technology for raking the leaves in the jungle while looking at your old photograph albums, and "Jacob" is the brand name of this telephone that lets you talk to your ancestors. And you've got to rake the leaves because otherwise the island will get depressed and sink to the bottom of the ocean, and you've got to talk to your dead relatives or they'll get grumpy and start whispering angrily. But Jack and Sawyer have been too busy fighting to care about that, making it a bit of a shitty place for a holiday. Obviously that's not what it will be, but are the men and the magic/technology we associate with them actually separate entities here, with different and contradictory relationships between their roles and who they are? Do Jacob and MIB need replacing with more responsible people who know what the fuck they're doing?
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I don't know if any of you non-intellectuals were paying attention. But Sayid and Smokie were talking, Smokie promised that he could make a way for Sayid to see Nadia again. Lo and behold, in alternate timeline Sayid bumps into Nadia and is given a second chance. This has thus led me to conclude that what many have speculated is right: The Alternate timeline is the end of Lost. Something happens on the island that pushes them to the alternate reality. Everything smokie has been promising people HAS been occuring off island. Claire & Her baby reunited? Smokie promised her that - and it happens OFF island. Jack getting a chance to fix his daddy issues? Just turns out he has a son off the island now. And Finally Sayid visiting Nadia. Promised on the island -- happened off the island. Flash-Sideways == Lost Ending.
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Opening of this season, others in temple lock it down. Pooring ash all round, barriades up etc etc... yet smocke just stroles in.....this was the best show on TV, ever...and is going down in a ball of fire this season...such a shame....it has lost all its magic...
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Who are the only ones Jacob came to after the 1997 incident... Hurly and Illana!
Jacob, brought the Guitar Case which sets up Sayid to be put into the water, when the water is not clear anymore.
Illana brings Sayid to the Island.
Post 1997 Jacob was the MIB!
He wanted Sayid to be put into the water and have Illana bring Sayid back for him to kill Dogan!
Post 1997 off island is still in the Island Universe and not the flash Sideways Universe and not the Flash Backwards universe where we see the real Jacob touch the people he wanted to come to the island.
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that would be an interesting twist except Ilyana said the other week that MIB can't switch identities after killing Jacob. who knows if she's right though. Jacob dying seems to have changed the rules a bit but we haven't been told how.
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Well actually she just said he's stuck as Locke, not that it's because of Jacob's dying, although that seems the most likely possibility, because he was able to appear to Ben as Alex not long ago, and Jacob dying seems to be the most significant even that could play on island powers.
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Because Jacob told them to take Sayid to the temple. And then gave them the necessary information to assure they gave him the healing bath in the temple.
And he gave Hurley the guitar way in advance. So he had to know Sayid was going to end up killing Dogen and Lennon. So Jacob wanted them killed?
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It sounds a bit complicated and would need massive exposition to pay off I'm not sure what. My initial reaction is to ask how can MIB do this when everyone seems to believe he's been trapped for some time.
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I've been a member for 40 years and 10 weeks. So, I apparently signed up when I was 9 months old?
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That's why Smokey was able to get in
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That's why Smokey was able to get in
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I swear it's like some people aren't even listening to the dialogue anymore. As to why the ash lost it's power now that dogen is dead...we don't know. He had a job we don't fully understand. But it was made clear smokey was being kept back by the ash when he sent Claire in, sayid went in and killed dogen, dogen was "the only thing keeping him out", dogen is dead, ash no longer works, smokie enters. Realy not that complicated BTVS2000. Try paying attention next time
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worse then season 3. The flash sideways are killing the momentum. I was hoping that by season 6 it would only be on island story since we have shortened seasons. They could have done this in two great episodes of reveals instead padding out 6 of them. What was the whole point of the Temple if most of the people didn't want to be there and held no real significnace to MIB?
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I don't get the haterz, but fuck them. I enjoyed that shit, and there was clearly a lot of forward movement last night.
Again, as discussed by lagomorph and I earlier yesterday, I think this episode moved further towards confirming that the S6 off-island events are not an alternate universe, but instead a false reality created to "fulfill their wishes" but trap the Losties, perhaps forever? I think there will be an event in the next few episodes where Smokie will somehow trap them in the false reality while he wreaks havoc. Jack will be the one to realize (as he has already started to) that it is fake, that nothing in the LA X-verse is real. He might convince the main Losties of this and they break free, returning and going to war against Smokie. As Crow said, similar to a deal with the devil, they seem to be getting what they asked for, but not in the exact way they would want.
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was prob'y just brushed aside by Sayid, giving fakelocke free access. They don't have to show us every little thing. We are s'posed to be smart enough to connect the dots. (see Sopranos)
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of the baseball hitting the floor. Dogen knew it was an omen. Too bad the writers agreed to put an enddate on the series, or Dogen might have gotten a whole episode.
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The MIB wants out of this Timeline. Everything off island, prior to the flash sideways was still being affected by the Island.
Which means, the MIB was freely able to travel the world in the pre-flashsideways timeline.
MIB pretended to be Jacob to have Sayid kill Dogan. Which was to pretend to be Jacob/Jack's Dad, to affect Illana, Hurley and Locke when he fell down the well and was told that he would have to die.
Either that, or MIB and Jacob are playing a game of Chess and the Pawns are starting to fall as we speak.
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...I'm guessing Jacob, or someone higher up, seeing that all has failed, has to reset the clock in order to save the Losties (since most will probably be dead by the end). How the island is sunk and how everyone's lives in the real world are so different remains to be seen. If the flash sideways is really how things would be if Jacob had not been directing them early on, then why are there some unexplained marks on Jack's body?
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You really need to be watching movies if this is bothering you that much. They're done in three hours tops and you never have to wait to find out how it ends. Each hour of TV has to develop a single story that ALSO ties into the larger narrative. Which every almost every episode has done.
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at the point of laughing now at the "this season is dragging" comments, just can't take them serious.
Especially after the last ep.
This season so far has been very well paced and is kicking ass.
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But MIB wasn't able to freely travel.
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Don't get me wrong..I think Locke is a whiny girly man as well. I just think this is one possible route we are headed to. Having him killed by Ben just like that (not to mention off the island) just seems....uneventful for a main character such as he.
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Anyone else pick up on the "died in my arms" thing? Shannon also died in Sayid's arms.........
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In my opinion. An ignominious end for someone we believed important and prolific for 5 seasons. That's what make it so awesome IMO. Most shows don't have the balls to do something like that. It makes locked journey complete. He was a pawn. I like that. It's dark and sad and full of irony. Good writing
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Hadn't thought of it that way. We shall see...
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At times this season's score reminds me of John Williams's Raiders score. Has anyone else noticed this. It works well since the show is shifting from the science fiction genre of last season to a more mystical vein. Let's hope they can balance the two, unlike Battlestar.
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Having a child off island seems too simple. I think Widmore was banished because Eloise or Ben found his closet of ids & passports leading down to the donkey wheel. They figured out he was using the island to fatten his wallet (among other things).This was the ammo that Ben needed to wrest leadership for himself.
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four letter word with no A or E but does contain an O. Interesting. tomb? bomb?
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Seem like one of the biggest things going we haven't been given much overt inkling as to what's what yet. Anyone see anything new from season six directly feeding into the whispers already, or will they be something separate entirely? I still don't get what Miles being able to speak to the dead is about yet and whether this is leading to a different deal than Hurley. We've seen bits and pieces but no big pay off yet, but clearly they gave him that skill for a reason, it's just a slower burn than Faraday and the time travel physics, for instance. Could the lighthouse have any baring on the whispers? The flashsideways? Desmond mind skipping? Could the whispers be an alt-island time line? Run of the mill island ghosts? Course correction? Totally clueless I must admit. The whispers have been there since the pilot and we don't know much about them. Smoky seemed thrown for a moment when he saw the boy, so I like the idea there are yet more layers of things which even Jacob and Smoky can't wholly account for. Could the whispers be one such phenomenon? Could the whispers somehow be the Losties, or what becomes of them? another question i have is this infection business. Now they seem to be siding with Flocke, but is that business tied directly to the smoke monster, or is it something else with a common interest?
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ands thought the same thing about the soundtrack. I was waiting for Dogen to reach into Sayid's chest and tear out his pumping heart.
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This is a chess match, not rock, paper, scissors. Last night was great - the opening fight scene was killer. Sayid "killing" Dogen and Lennon. The rampage of smokey in the temple, the choosing of sides. Miles telling Sayid that he came back to life after dying in the water played into why he killed Dogen and Lennon.
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He was laying on the Kung fu earlier against Sayid, AND BEATS HIM, but Sayid just shoves him underwater, and no kung fu?
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Only new info we've seen is that when our people first entered the temple this season, the whispers were present as the others were running aroun capturing everyone one by one, which, at least to me, confirmed the whispers deal exclusively in the others and not the monster or other weirdness. It's like they use them as a distraction or something. But, that makes no sense in regards to hearing them before analucia shot Shannon etc. The others seemed entirely not involved in that. I don't anticipate being able to rewatch stuff and hve the whispers make sense. They have been used in too Many different situations/contexts
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Mar 03, 2010 10:37:40 AM CST
I wonder if the symbol on the block that activates the temple se
by pizza the hut
..."If you are being chased by old smokey, PRESS HERE!!!"
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...i dont read about upcomin eps so i didnt know about rich... we know what claire was doin, but WHY DID SHE GO WIT CHRISTIAN IN THE FIRST PLACE AND TURN EVIL?
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Mar 03, 2010 10:40:19 AM CST
...that activates the temple secret passegeway says...
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Locke is coming back from the flash-sideways universe. Remember - "nothing is irreversible." Count on it. I wouldn't even doubt that alt Locke in the sideways universe becomes the Jacob to unLocke/fLocke's Man in Black.
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I feel like that was one of those,"we gave you the answer but you didn't like it" situations. Claire "died", as much as you can on the island, when the RPG hit the house she was in. All her behavoir after that, can and I think should be attributed to that. Once/if they fully explain how "claiming", works I may be wrong, but that seems like the easiest explanation.
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easily explained when you figure that the island is a nexus for timelines and realities ala Man-Thing's Everglades. Disembodied voices from overlapping timelines.
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Dogen knows kung fu, but never learned how to swim. And he was dazed from the sucker-punch Sayid threw.
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... i actually had this since the season premier but now it seems more justified.... basicallly the ash is ashes of special people like jacob and dogen... since dogen died, it took away his ability to keep mib out (if he is not in ash form, h the barrier doesnt work)... explains why llama took jacob as ash...
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..when someone is holding you underwater.
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...so you agree technically what happened to her was not fully answered, right?
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Not trying to nitpick, and I know that it's a TV show so they can do this, but, have you ever seen the cremated remains of someone? It's not ash. There is some ash, but, it's closer to gravel. And there isn't a lot of it. To even make the circle Bram made would be like three people. Let alone a circle around the cabin and the temple. That's a lot of dead leaders. I'm not saying it's impossible , but...
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...so NOW you think Juliet is the baby mama? didnt you read a my theories last week?
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I'm starting to think more and more that the alt timeline is a test from Jacob, a test for the candiates.
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Yes, I agree technically. But, only to the extent that until the end of the show we won't really know what was a writing mistake and what was important.
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...na never seen remains before but this is lost... the electromagnetic properties could do somethin... they could explain it away somehow...
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...at first i thought he was gonna commit suicide when ben came in... but na... anyway, he is a fan fav so i wonder what will happen to him... will ben kill him? sacrifce? or will he just be casualty (w/o bein redeemed)...
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anyone else catch up on the Episode 3 similarities?? Both were coaxed by an old wrinkley guy using the ones they loved to turn to the dark side. And then storm a temple. I hope they didn't kill any younglings.
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...ya couldnt get a arm bomb in lax?
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Right, and I'm willing to concede that, and won't be saying the show sucks if you are right. But, it seems like a pretty big issue to just gloss over. I'm sure some writer on that show has had to scatter ashes before and spoke up.
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...i was worried he would die... but na, hes cool... but last night is the 1st time seein a freighter (which is cool, but what bout the tailies?) but now im wonderin whats up wit lax miles and charlotte since theyre dharmafolk...
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...it might leave you wit blue balls, but it wont suck...
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...this ep showed locke leadin a group into the jungle after havin a ultimatum, cept this time he is tryin to lead them OFF the island (instead of leadin to stay ON the island like before the freighter came)...
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Not actually the first time we've seen a freighter. Miles was in eps 1-6. Lupidis was in a few. I have no fear whatsoever that the show will suck.
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I hated the last episode of Deadwood, but still love the series as a whole. Like I said before it's more about the ride for me. So as long as I'm enjoying each episode piece by piece even if the last episode isn't the best I still enjoyed 5 years of great TV(I started late). It's like Seinfeld. Sure the last episode kinda sucked, but it was a great concept, and the series was still better than everything else right up to the end.
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Mar 03, 2010 11:27:20 AM CST
Just woke upp from getting totally fucked up last night
by toughguyrizzo
And I read the posts from Lost kid and his other SN Josh. Wow,I'm one in the same. Well, I was helping organizing our LOST meetup during the hours they were posting on here. I didnt have a computer to log on to. Even if I did, I was too busy helping out. See it all here: The country's largest LOST fan meetup group.
http://tinyurl.com/NYCLOST1
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Is this the first time we saw/heard of Omar? I seem to remember something from a past season, when Sayid was a child. Was that his brother in the flashback with him? Awesome episode by the way.
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With what someone said above, the alternate universe, something just rings false about it, like it's a smokescreen (pun intended). Everyone is meeting again there, and you do wonder if they will start to think they aren't supposed to be there. The only other thing I could think of is that it ends so badly for some of the Losties, that Darlton is showing us this to say "hey, at least they lived happily ever after in the alternate universe!" If it's unLocke giving them what they want, he won't make that deal until a future episode, leaving just enough time for them to figure out/remember that black smoke is bad for your health. Lol, that's another thing, I did laugh just a little thinking, human beings being chased and killed by black smoke, like a stoner having his worst nightmare. Come to think of it, didn't realLocke grow the chronic at one time, obvious forshadowing of things to come.
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Here's is the deal. You could've called me every name in the book, said all my theories and observations were bullshit, and I would've let it go. But you're saying I am the most uncreative, stupid, unoriginal person on here. And, why? What did I do to you? What did I say or do that has you so convinced that I'm lostboy? Did you even read the previous posts I wrote to you? Why would I be doing all this?
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We saw him when Sayid killed the chicken in a flashback. I think there might have been reference to him in the first couple flashbacks that we saw of Sayid.
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Posted a theory or two that spurred a whole bunch of interesting conversation and clearly pointed out all of reasons why your questions could only be asked by someone who wasn't paying attention. But no...you're right...Im the idiot. The idiot who doesn't have to ask questions because he pays attention. So keep coming back btvs...keep coming back to the idiots in here and asking them questions to things that already have answered. We'll be having a discussion on the things that actually aren't clear yet. Thanks.
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And if you're saying, "Wow,I'm one in the same." because I said that you may be lostboy. I said that because it seems like the only reason you could be doing this. Just to fuck with me and make it so I can't post here.
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you have no answer, just assumed an answer to seem smart and then felt a reason to be insulting. your assumed answer is based on an assumed assumption that Dogen being killed rendered the ash useless...it is not about not listening...most probable answer is poor writing....and why are you calling everyone here idiots? i specifically said just you..no one else..next time, if you dont know answer keep quiet, if you want to guess fine, but dont be rude.
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...we have seen no freighter in lax reality til last night... and stop tryin to be rizzos friend... grow a pair...
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Sounds pretty clear to me. "the only thing" As in, the ash wasn't exactly what was keeping him out. Do we know details on the connection between Dogena and the ash? No. Does that make it a guess? No. "the only thing keeping him out" isn't unclear in any way to me. I said try paying attention next time. Chiding, maybe, but hardly insulting. You came back with idiot. Don't give me that shit.
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Gotcha about the Frieghter/LAX stuff. Not trying to be his friend, again, wouldn't care if he was calling me anything else.
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...dont know if ya read it (since you was super busy last night), but i said youre Jack of these tbs, josh is kate, lostboy is Sawyer, and your buddy Jay is Juliet... so congrats!
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Mar 03, 2010 11:50:19 AM CST
and sarcasm is hard to write in a talkback (hence the "idiots")
by crow3711
Meant to imply that if I'm an idiot, everyone else must be too, considering how many people have agreed with me that, at the very least, its an incredibly interesting theory that the alt-verse is a reality created by MiB to grant them their wishes...only not how they expected. Look how many posts in the last 4 hours start with my handle, followed by, not insults, but interesting discussion and theorizing about that. How many times have people talked about anything you had to say?
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Why are people questioning why the others didn't make a sonic fence around the temple?! I always thought the Darma initiative made the sonic fence, not the others, how would they suddenly learn how to do that. Think before you ask silly questions.
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They are a smart bunch,for the most part. Every single week someone comes up with something in here I hadn't thought of that straight blows my mind. I would never actually call them idiots. Well...maybe one or two...
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The fence was built by Dharma I always thought. It's sort of like their version of the ash, in a way. The scientific sonic version, versus the spiritual ash version. But yeah, I'm not sure why anyone assumes the others should have built a fence. I don't think they put much stock into things like that, being people of faith, etc. Dharma built the sonic fence, and the others just obtained the codes for their purposes, obviously.
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macfaux is charlie, always makin songs we dont care about... vader is sayid since he seems open minded and not (as) judgemental....
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"four letter word with no A or E but does contain an O. Interesting. tomb? bomb?"
WOMB.
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...in the lost/tb universe... maybe Michael or Jin?
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Not because I'm the leader or anything like that (forget it), but hes headstrong, sticks to the facts, is fairly frustrating and judgemental at times, a bit cynical, but intensely loyal and hey, at the end of the day, I'm one of the only people on here who consistently defend Jack as my favorite character. Everyone else kind of hates him...a bit like me perhaps....
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Has spectacular cans. Is that what you are implying?
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Who only says: "No English!"
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Sawyer will try to bang him next. But yeah Jack got laid in the 3 year period off-island by fickle Kate.
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Notice I din't say "assmaster", that is a wonderful album by Raging Slab.
Maybe Dogen was in charge of Ash circles,and the Hot Tub of Life. He replenished the ash circle on a regular basis by tapping out the bowl from his bong.
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Season 3 of ALF was the shit.
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of the statue of Butterfly McQueen - Egyptian god of birthin' babies or whatever
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What was the deal with that anyway? The last thing we saw of Jin he was in LA X getting taken away by Homeland Security about all of his money. How did he end up in the closet...and more puzzlingly, why the hell was that all they showed of him? Did Sayid just let him go or what? They didn't show him after that, which I thought was really weird. Just to have him there for, seemingly, no reason besides coincidence. Thanks for reminding me
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Where was Sawyer this episode? Uh-oh. He said Hell Yes, and then now we see Flocke recruiting more people in another section of the island later that same day, I believe. What's he up to, cause he wasn't with Flocke obviously? Somehow he doubt Flocke left him down in that cave to wait. I hope the next time we see him, hes all crazed and evil. I know some have speculated hes pulling a long con on FLocke, and maybe thats true, but I think next time we see him hell be different. Obviously there is no way to know where he is or what he is doing, but I just realized I didn't think anyone had mentioned we haven't seen him since he was in the cave with Flocke. Just wondering what hes been up to, if any one has any theories?
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In my head "catch a falling star" segued into John Anderson's version.
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...lostboy is sawyer cuz he goes against the norms here (like sawyer in the camp)... crow, riz is Jack cuz he "leads" these tbs and is closemindedish (he doesnt want to accept things)... but then agsin, he could be locke cuz he thinks these tbs are beautiful and needs savin (plus hes devoted esp wit that event he does)... sorry crowe, i cant think of any your politics regardin lost but im sure youre cool so i said jin... and jay is juliet cuz hes follows "Jack" and doesnt answer questions directly (and also i dislike Juliet the most)... josh is kate cuz he wants everyone to know he is truly good and also seeks jacks approval...
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"How many times have people talked about anything you had to say?"....i actually feel embrassed for you...this is a tv show dicussion forum...
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For talking, etc.
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...Walt cuz i want attention (only when it pertains to theories)... or maybe Miles cuz he wasnt there from the beginnin... or maybe Des (cuz im special lol)
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Because LOST is my Penny. There's no politics. I just love it unconditionally. I can be honest about it and admit its flaws, but it can never really fail me. I might argue with the other people here, but I'll never argue against lost.
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Mar 03, 2010 12:28:55 PM CST
And it was Jinn's desire to be tied up in mobster's closet
by jacksparasites
Nah, I'm kidding. I do think the alt world as wish fulfillment idea is probably the best theory at this point. As for whether Smokey's allies will be be ultimately deprived of getting what they want, I'm not sure I like it because it's not like they're willing victims of temptation. Once you're dead and become infected, you're simply doomed. Now maybe in the end Jack will sacrifice his own happiness so everyone else can get their wishes but since evil Smokey is promising everyone their desires, it seems superficial for Jacob to give his allies their wishes too. They can't both be tempting people with their greatest desires. Smokey is like The Shadows on Babylon 5 and Jacob is like the Vorlons. Smokey is all about "what do you want?" Jacob is about "who are you?"
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Cause you're special. That's fine. The Walt one isn't bad either.
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I like your idea (I feel like there will be some major twist that puts our conceptions on their ear) but I think it has a hole:
Hurley can see Jacob's ghost now- and we *think* this is truly Jacob's ghost cause ew've been told Smokey is stuck as UnLocke right now.
In the last ep, Jacob told Hurley "sometimes you can hop into the back of someone's cab and tell them what they're supposed to do"- meaning Jacob's ghost, and the Jacob that gave Hurley the guitar case are one and the same... -
It could even explain the island being under water. If Jack ends up in a place where he'd make a deal with UnLocke, I would bet he'd want that Island to have never existed, or be deep sixed....
As far as Jin goes- he probably just wished to be back with his wife, the twist is they're back to being unhappy
Even Kate's is interesting. In her ep, didn't she ask Claire if "it would help if I told you I was innocent?" Maybe she wished to have not killed her dad/stepdad- but her twist is she's still on the run for it. -
Is really that she killed the wrong guy. They said she killed an innocent guy who was there and not her stepfather, so she got her wish of not killing her stepfather...but the twist is she's guilty of something worse instead?
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There's a short story called "A Good Man is Hard to Find" by F. O'Connor about a family hunted and SPOILER murdered by The Misfit, who sees himself as the nihilistic judge, jury and executioner. He is the savagery man represents, like Smokie, what island Rousseau represented and the philosopher of the same name preached: Man is inherently bad and needs a governing body to keep him in check. (Scales?) The philospher John Locke stated, "Earthly judges, the state in particular, and human beings generally, cannot dependably evaluate the truth-claims of competing religious standpoints." I don't know if this really has any relevance to what Jacob and MiB actually are, but it's not coincidence how the new Locke is so opposite of from what the old Locke was inspired.
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Jin still working for Paik in the alt-verse. Maybe Paik had some deal going on with Keamy, in which Jin was the courier for the cash? Guessing that will play a part in a Sun/Jin centered ep. Isn't there one of those coming up shortly?
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...cuz ugh...Rose still has cancer...
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surprise Jin, take the cash, and kick his ass.
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...Kate is actually innocent? Not that anyone here cares enough about Kate to mind if she went to jail for a crime she didn't commit.
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Now for those bitching that this season hasn't given any answers, let's look at what we learned:
1. MiB is Smokey.
2. We learned why Smokey let Locke live in Season 1 and can infer everything from that whole event now.
3. Christian Shepherd and every dead character who has ever appeared to someone on the island is almost certainly an agent of Smokey.
4. The Survivors and others who have arrived on the island at one point or another were brought here by Jacob because they were candidates presumably for succession. That list has been whittled down quite a bit leaving only a few names left including six Oceanic survivors.
5. Each of Hurley's numbers corresponds to a specific person.
6. Those who had previously been said to be "infected" became that way by dying on the island. Dying on the island makes one susceptible to being infected, which makes you embrace your inner id and in turn makes you easily manipulated by Smokey.
7. Like The First on Buffy, Smokey can only appear in human form as a dead person. As to what makes Locke special to both Jacob & Smokey is still not clear but clearly he is.
8. We have strong reason to suspect Alt World is designed for wish fulfillment.
9. We've been to and inside the much talked about Temple.
10. There's strong reason to believe that Smokey just wants off the island, presumably to wreak the same kind of havoc on the rest of the world that he displayed in the Temple.
That's 10 major answers right there. Plus the upcoming Richard-centric episode I think will likely reveal his pirate-y past, continuing after the scene we saw of Jacob & Smokey watching the Black Rock arrive on the island. Arrr! And aside from just the general magic that takes place on the island that I think we just have to accept with no further explanation, how much more really NEEDS to be solved beyond the ultimate fate of everyone in the very end? -
wishes are being fulfilled? I think it's just the main group. Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Locke, Sun/Jin, Sayid. The rest are probably just there as constructs of the Losties' consciousness. For example, Boone: not really there but created by Locke as a wish that Boone never died.Rose? Could be created by Jack or someone wishing for her to live out her life off the island in peace with Bernard.
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A little late.
Usually I skip over your pointless comments, but for some reason I stopped for a moment to see if you actually had anything relevant to say, and, unless I’m misunderstanding you, you may be onto something. I don’t ever recall Sayid being super bad before he started assassinating people for Ben, and that moment when he took everyone out, on hindsight, did seem like it might have been a “bleeding” moment. -
about Christian (i think) cuz there seems to be two contradictory Christians... one who helps Jack, the other who helps MIB...
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I wonder if Darlton are taking the view point that the people we meet in life, we are fated to meet. Everyone we come into contact with, if even for a moment, there is a reason for it.
Perhaps everyone on Lost was fated to meet, but what Jacob did was to ensure that, for whatever reason, their fates would intertwine.
Unless there is a good reason that the Losties keep bumping into each other in both timelines, I think they were already fated to meet, but without Jacobs influence they would not have been compelled towards whatever destiny they have as a group. -
Don't forget tonight Dogen mentioned his son and how he wanted to see him again.. That would explain the somewhat appearance of him in the Jack sideways flash a bit better than "Oh, hey, there's Dogen. Cool."
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Thank you very much sir for the reference. I'm, more of a Sawyer thing. But its all good.
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...i would say if the wish thing is true, only the livin wishes are granted... cuz why would Keamy want to make eggs and get shot?... that makes sense... but from what we know now, Rose is most likely still alive, and if she is, i doubt she would wish to slap locke to his senses... cuz thats what shes doin in lax...
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Why does everyone assume he came to the island on the Black Rock? Did I miss something?
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...sayid didnt care that Claire came to the temple... no "Claire?" or "Claire!" or anythin...maybe he is just self-centered after becomin zombiefied... Miles was spot on tho...
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What does MiB or Jacob care about Rose or Bernard? They probably couldn't care less about them, so why bother with them at all. Rose or Bernard appearing in the false reality would probably be due to one of the main group and their ositive feelings for Rose/Bernard. Hell, could be Locke needed someone to set him straight was why Rose showed up there.It's all far too coincidental in LA X, which is why I think it's false, and that many of the lesser characters are there only to enhance that reality, not to have their wishes fulfilled.
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I hope he lives through it all. He is great with the small amount of time he is on screen.
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I started thinking about this today based on something someone else said and it makes a lot of sense to me.
I think dead Jacob isnt really Jacob. i think Jacob really did die and the jacob weve been seeing since then is still fake-locke/smokie
but i dont think Jacob is gone either.
i think Jacob and Flocke come into the world in different ways
Flocke can only manifest himself now in the forms of dead people.
i suspect when the Losties first crashed he was trapped somehow and needed a vessel to be free but only certain people he could use, ie, all the candidates.
Something about Locke allowed him to take one step closer to being free, but hes still trapped. He needed to kill jacob, needed to kill the japanese dude, needed a suitable body, but he still needs something else. i think he wants Jack. To me, Jack, more than anyone, is Lost. He seems to epitomize the spirit of the show, and even though he is incrdibly frustrating to watch, I still think he is the hero. He has been since day 1.
I wont speculate on that anymore cause it all still doesnt make complete sense yet.
I think Jacob is different. I think Jacob cant take the form of a dead person. i think Jacob needs an innocent.
He needs a child.
If MIB is death, Jacob is life. Which is why they were stealing kids early on. I think thats why Flocke freaked out when he saw that kid. I think Jacob has returned as that child, and i wouldnt be surprised if that child is Jacob. And possibly Jacob in Aarons body.
This would explain why they were always taking kids, and why finding a cure to all the pregnany deaths was so important. Because Smokie is on the island, the island cannot support new life, because "death" keeps it from being so.
What...if Wallace is Aarons birth fathers last name? What if Ji Yeon is the name being referenced on the wall? It would make sense to me because they are the only 2 children to survive pregnancy on the island.
If so, this might negate the need to bring Walt back to the island, which would suck, but may explain the interest in him in the first place.
The thought isnt fully formed yet so Im hopin yallz feedback might straighten things out.
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But trust me, on this one we are alone. There is no proof of Richard coming from the black rock whatsoever, and I respectfully disagree with rizzo by saying it doesn't make sense. He says been there a long long time. 160 years in my opinion is just not that long of a time. I always say I could be wrong of course, and we will god out in a few weeks anyway, but I just wanted to tell you that didn't miss anything, everyone just whole heartedly believes it for some reason. I don't insult the theory, it could be true, I just don't agree. Richard is a lot older than that.
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I agree with Crow and others who've stated the sidewayverse might be what people wished for.To take it a little further... If MIB wins and he keeps his end of any deals this could be the outcome based on those deals. If someone didn't make a deal they may still be there, but any difference is based on chance and other variables that caused change. Therefore Rose (who didn't make a deal) has a different job, but still has cancer; Nadia is alive for Sayid, but he can't be with her (part of his deal).
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Wasnt he referred to as Ricardus in one episode and can speak Latin? Kind of suggests he could ahve been around during Roman times.
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Perhaps Richard came to the island with whatever group of Egyptians built the statue. I think there is a major surprise coming in the Richard episode as to his arriving on the island, and I don't think it's on the Black Rock. Regardless, that episode is gonna blow up. I am expecting awesomeness from that one.
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I think he's older than that too. Can't wait to find out the truth about him.
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Ilana knows exactly what's going down. In the temple at the end of the episode, she asks Miles, in this order, where are Shepherd and Reyes (who are actually together as we saw last week) pause, and Ford (who is off on his own.) then separately she says what about Jarrah (who we know is in the temple) and here Ben clearly doesn't understand he properly because when he says he'll go and get him from where Miles says he is, Ilana tries to tell him not to. She knows exactly what's going down, what the character groupings are, etc. It's as if she just knows the sort of stuff Jacob had to tell Hurley last week. Now contrast this with Richard, who looks to be in a panic from what we saw of him. Interesting on the beach he tried to assume authority over Ilana, saying just because you told me what's in the shadow of the statue, doesn't mean you're in charge. Well for the moment, it looks like she is in charge. And judging from Frank and Sun's demeanour and Ben's assumptions, she's told them a bit about what's happening on the way to the temple, but not all of it. I was struck by the similarity in Dogen's story of Jacob coming to him in the hospital and offering to save his son in return for him helping Jacob on the island, and Jacob going to Ilana in bandages and asking her to help him again. It makes me wonder if Jacob has healing powers, and made a deal with Ilana like the one he made with Dogen once before. Ilana survived the island, and Jacob trusts her, and came to her for help again this time. Interesting that Ilana was the one who captured Sayid to put him on the Ajira flight. Also I'm not clear on what MIB's strategy was outside the temple. Why does he send Claire in first? Surely he knows that Dogen won't come out to him. He can't know that Dogen will send Sayid to him, can he? And then MIB sends Sayid back inside the temple to tell them what he could have had Claire tell them in the first place? It doesn't quite add up to me. Obviously he sees the opportunity with Sayid, but I wonder how MIB could know that this is the way to kill Dogen. Did he have other contingencies to gain access to the temple? Not a big deal and not something I think needs addressing, but it doesn't entirely make sense to my mind.
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I'm thinking that the sideway flashes are intended to tell us who is bad and who is good. Obviously, there is going to be a battle in the end good vs. bad. They are hinting to us who is going to be on which side by how things play out in the flash.
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I like the thoughts about the children and Jaob maybe needing a child to come back? I wonder if Claire (was it in Kate's dream?) was really MiB saying never to bring Aaron back cuz the would open up an opportunity for Jacob?
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I'm sorry I singled you out for abuse. You're actually asking two very different questions. WHY Claire has done what she's done & become what she's become is a question that may only be answered in the Series Finale. When you said WHAT happened to Claire, my knee jerked because of all the whiners in here complaining that we aren't getting any ANSWERS and nothing is happening.We NEED an Alpert episode with Flashbacks to explain more about his role in all this. We DON'T need a Claire episode with three years of flashbacks crammed in, showing her being tortured by the Temple Others and hanging out with her "Father" and her "Friend". We've been TOLD those things happened and we've SEEN the results. That should be enough. Until the other WHY questions are answered, that one won't be either.And I think these Claire episodes HAVE revealed that whoever has been appearing to people as Christian is NOT the same person as the MIB entity who can only appear as John Locke now when he's not being the Smoke Monster. She's "Crazy" but she can tell the Difference.Some of you have speculated that there is another more powerful being involved besides Jacob and Smokey. I think "Christian" is that being. Why he's taken on that form I don't know. It would make sense if he were trying to manipulate Jack or Claire. But why appear in that form on the freighter to Michael, for only a few seconds before his death when Michael has no idea who Christian is? And when he appeared in that form to Locke at the Frozen Donkey Wheel he seemed to have foreknowledge of Locke's death and even a tinge of regret about it.When I Gripe that none of you are PAYING ATTENTION that's the kind of thing I'm talking about. I could be Wrong. I'm just spitballing like the rest of you. But the fact that Claire thinks "Christian" IS her Father, but knows that "Locke" ISN'T Locke, but is her "Friend" seems pretty significant somehow. I think the fact that "Christian" has the power to appear to people off the island demonstrates that he's not the MIB. And the fact that Claire can tell the difference reinforces that. For ME at Least.
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I don't see how they can fix all of this with the time they've got left. Quit with the flash sideways crap and get to the laundry list of questions that need answering.
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Guess this makes a little more sense now
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Could it be that Jacob granted Richard his wish to be immortal, with certain conditions? With Jacob dead, maybe that really fucks things up for Richard.
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The flash sideways are going to turn out to be very important. Whether it's a trap by wish fulfillment, an alternate reality that is destined to collide with the island reality, or something else... the off-island stuff is not filler. It is there for a reason.
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...I agree rose and bernard are not main CHARS, but they apart of the main GROUP aka 815ers... if theyre not important they would had been killed i think... i know what you are sayin, but this show is bout connections and fate, so they should be apart of the wishin process since theyre alive and was active characters throughout the show unlike Miles or Frank...
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Wonder who he will run into next. Will we just see him with Locke, Sayid, Claire... Doubt it, else why not do that this week. Richard hasn't been seen for a while, so maybe he will have another try to talk Sawyer out of whatever Locke has sent him to do. I can't see Sawyer running into Jack and Hurley yet. Maybe Ilana's group. Actually this makes sense, because I think Jack and Hurley ought to run into Locke's group before they can have knowledge of the temple. But this would necessitate Kate getting away from Locke. Then perhaps going back and trying to persuade Jack and Hurley that Locke isn't who he says he is. Locke could just say Kate isn't who she says she is either, and will have Sayid and Claire to back him up. Plus Jack will want to be loyal to his sister, whilst conflicted what Dogen warned him about Claire and Sayid. Not sure where Jin is in all this, but he doesn't know what happened at the temple, presumably, so is caught in the middle. There has to be a Locke / Jack meeting before Jack has any clue that Locke is Smoky or has hit the temple. The whole thing with Jack's dad and dead Locke needs pay off, it's the reason he came back to the island. He believed Locke was going to be resurrected, and he'll want to believe that happened to his father when he sees Locke "alive" too. Jack has been tempted by Jacob through Hurley, he has to get the opposition's sales pitch now I would think. Interesting how MIB appears to people but seems to have no name, whereas Jacob puts everything in the mystique of his name and tries to stay out of sight, relying on people's faith. Which side will Jack choose. Of course next week is Ben, so this might not happen until the week after, which I guess would be Sawyer, leading into the Richard episode? Is that right? So not sure when they would get back to the Jack stuff. Christian story line really needs some time spent on it if you ask me.
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http://www.tvovermind.com/lost/ sneak-peeks-lost-6-07-dr-linus/19579Remove the spaces in the URL, naturally.I'm actually pretty impressed that they took a total weasel of a character, might (or might not) kill him, and I actually care about him. All things considered, I think I should loathe him and feel like he deserved to die, but they have given us just enough background, motivation, and glimpses into what I think are his sincere personality that I actually want him to have a happy ending. I do not think he will die, but for me to be that invested in his fate strikes me as odd when I weight what he's done in the series. I also think Michael Emerson is pretty talented, so I hope to see him in other things post-Lost.-Cheers
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A Christian episode? Or rather a Shepherd family episode. Christian, Jack, Claire, Aaron, David. That would be a good fit towards the end of the season. There's supposedly an island mythology episode just before the finale, so how about a Christian episode leading right into that, and then the finale. I think we still need Jin/Sun and Hurley flash sideways, probably a Desmond centric, Ben, Sawyer... Just trying to get a feel for how many episodes there are spare for other characters. I think 13/14 are up for grabs, the rest seem to be accounted for.
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...to Sayid before Sayid stabbed him in the chest. It wasn't much... I think it was "Hello Sayid" - STAB!Any significance as to why Fake Locke didn't die?
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Do you think since Fake Locke did speak it had any significance as to why he didn't die?Sorry.
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some people earlier were discussing the richard being older than the black rock. i agree we haven't seen anything that states that he comes from the black rock. i would think that he probably comes from more ancient times. the fact that he is referred to as ricardus links him to something much older, possibly ancient rome. the romans did conquer egypt, and the romans were also well known for their incorporation and inclusion of foreign gods in their pantheon. in fact isis was a very popular god to be worshipped in ancient rome from the first century onwards. they also adopted that jesus guy too, but then they kicked out a bunch of others. apparently he was kind of a big deal! hahaha. mib also makes a chains reference to richard, and no shock that slavery was not uncommon in both ancient egypt and rome.
anyway, i like the idea of him being there for thousands of years as opposed to hundreds...
my problem with this theory is that if richard was older, and the chains thing is literal, wouldn't mib have seen him more recently 'free of chains.' of course perhaps im being too literal and the chains thing is a metaphor for just being under jacob's thumb... then we really have nothing to go off of... -
A knife is what kills the man in black? Of all things a knife? Hello visual foreshadowing.
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are paying attention. I just feel like half of you are trying to be the first one to figure out the nature of the Sideways Reality and the other half are trying to figure out the Endgame. Which doesn't leave alot of time to simply sit back and ENJOY the SHOW. Episode by Episode. Minute by Minute. The way you're SUPPOSED to watch it. They're still delivering, and some of you are so far up your own ass with theories and speculation, you're not really WATCHING the show you claim to love. Just Filtering Out anything that doesn't conform to what YOU think is important or relevant to your theories and speculation. That's no way to watch ANY show. Much less a show as good as this one.
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Ive thought the same thing about their being another power at work here, but never thought about Christian. Interesting. Maybe the other way round though? Flocke is the one pullin the strings and Christian is his "Richard".
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both enjoy the show and try and figure it out at the same time. I don't undersand your point. Why would fans filter out anything that doesn't conform to their view? Shit, I've changed mt theories many a time based on new info. I don't see what your point is. Speculating is part of the fun.
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He is talking about the people complaining about the past few episodes. So concerned about answers they arent appreciating the story being told right now.
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Then stop hanging and fucking its corpse in the ass already. Pervert. Get the fuck out of our collective dead asshole.
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Or will we just get new episodes each week?
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Or will we just get new episodes each week?
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Which means this is leading to something. So I think it's all important. I think Cymbalta is right in that we need to enjoy the show AND have faith the writers are leading up to the finale. They are, after all, the ones who pushed for an end date and have publicly stated they are aware of how much they have to squeeze into the remaining episodes. They are leading toward SOMETHING, so I think it is all important but that it is written/presented in such a way that it probably can't totally make sense until they give us all the pieces.That said, it's fun to guess and examine what they've given us thus far.-Cheers
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I saw womb, tomb and bomb....
what about boat, or better yet GAOL?
You have a prisoner(MiB) and a guard(Jacob)
Also to go directly against that, i still think Jacob is evil.
Everyone of his followers has "protected" the island like a kid with his newfound toy, this exciting place that has all these powers they don't understand, or think they understand. Ben, Widmore, Locke, Darhma, Others.
It seems their exhibiting greed more than anything else.
Its my Island, F'ck off!
Give it back!
Then again smokey is clearly evil too. Funny that 2 entities playing a game of light and dark, which we've directly linked to good and evil, are so difficult to place into those categories...
maybe its because it doesn't matter, good is whoever wins.
I mean most of the characters are the same, you can't really tell who's good and bad episode to episode.
Oh yeah, and crow, I can understand you don't like Locke because he whinges about his destiny and when things don't go his way, but jack doesn't?
Jack is constantly bitching about having a purpose just as much, more so last 2 seasons and this one.
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He's wittier than most antagonists on message boards. I don't mind him, but then again I also don't put any stock into what he says. Taken at face-value, I think his comments are kind of amusing, like that kid that says stupid a/o sarcastic stuff at the dinner table to get the parents all riled up. Maybe it's lack of sleep, or maybe I'm just easily amused, but if you just have fun with it it keeps your blood pressure from skyrocketing.-Cheers
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I agree but I think many of us were left scared by the last season of BSG.
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I am really getting the feeling that in the end a big switcheroo is that all this time it is MIB who is good and Jacob evil. Yes MIB has done bad things on the island, but perhaps in an Old Testament God kind of way. Maybe Jacob personifies evil/devil not MIB. That evil has to much of a foothold in the world today, because MIB has somehow been imprisoned on the island. That only his freedom will balance that back out, or make the world "right".
Maybe he knows that Jacob his capture really needs a baby/innocent to live and keep him chained to the island and he has somehow made the women infertile.
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Is that maybe (symbolically) the four-letter word thing you guys are talking about?-Cheers
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...why is it wrong to want answers? i know most will be answered, but this the FINAL season, meanin they have lil time to give answers and explain... everyone is entitled to their own opinions even if its in a form of a complaint... theyre not "dumb" or less of a fan... some like the show purely for its mysteries...
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...exactly my thoughts... thats why hes Sawyer of these tbs...
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I just got the impression they hinted they were not going that route with the (paraphrasing) "there will be a logical, scientific/rational explanation to everything that happens" spiel. That and they also seem aware of the outrage over the endings of shows/media like BSG (o.k., guessing that, but they must be aware of it), and Sopranos and The Dark Tower (they are admittedly aware of THOSE endings and their criticisms). For the sake of creating some fulfilling ending, and to avoid being unoriginal, I think they will do something that is satisfying to close the door on the series, yet open-ended enough in certain details to keep you pondering for a while afterward.Granted, I could be wrong and join the bitter ranks if this all crashes and burns, but I think they are leading to a definite (if somewhat open-to-interpretation) ending that will address all of the major questions/mysteries (because they've promised they would do so and also because they seem to have written most everything into the show for a reason).I guess we'll know for sure in May.-Cheers
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...i hate the answer to the magic box...
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That's what I think I'm dealing with now. I'm just not getting wowed. I don't hate it, but it's just doesn't feel as mind-blowingly good anymore (to me). I still think the sunken island in the first ep was a set up for the end of the series and that that is where we'll end up. I find the LA X timeline to be incredibly boring and disappointing, not too mention how contrived all the meetings of the islanders feels. The way they figured out the how to use the numbers in the story, both on the cave wall and on the lighthouse, that really should have made me all giddy and shit... but it didn't. Oh, and how much do you want to bet that the thing "Jack needs to do" will be sinking the island so Un-Locke doesn't escape. How any of this relates to LA X time is still, of course, a complete mystery. So I imagine by series end that we'll just have to live with the explanation that Julia blowing up the wheel set two timelines into action simultaneously. Islands sinks, LA X timelime conveniently keeps rolling on into the future. At least that's how the set up feels to me.Lastly, I'm not reading the entirety of these talkbacks anymore. Because seriously, there are some people who need help in here. What are you going to do when the series is over, all your theories were wrong and you don't have anywhere to post them day after day? Way too obsessive. It's disturbing. It's just a TV show, after all.
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...by reading the last fifty posts or so. Some of you can't even see that your stepping in your own shit. Take a breath, read something else. Forget about Lost for a couple days. Be happily surprised when you realize it's Tuesday. Damn.
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I liked the way it ended personally. But I can see how one might not like it.
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I think if Flocke is death, than Jacob is life. Flocke can take the form of death but Jacob would need a new life, an innocent, which may be why they were taking children early on. Jacob may be reborn in the kid Flocke freaked out over.
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Why would Richard still be alive in the alt timeline? Unless he escaped the island when it sank. Does this mean we'll get back to flashbacks for his ep? God, I hope so. Perhaps we'll get an explanation of why/when the island sank?
As for whether or not the Locke-a-Like would have died, if stabbed before speaking, I'm not sure. But it would explain why Dogen didn't want to risk confronting him. Perhaps Smokey/Locke has the power of suggestion or something. Sayid did seem to be a different person after talking to him. Seductive nature of the devil or some shit?
I also find it hard to view the alt universe as some kind of wish fulfillment, since they don't seem all that better off. But then, I never understood why they wouldn't want to live on a tropical, magic island. It confuses me as much as people on Heroes who just want to lead a "normal" life. It would be a nice place to live so long as you manage to stay away from (or kill) Jack and all his nuclear terrorist drama. -
I totally forgot this, and its been a while, but if I recall, in the Bible, the name Jacob means Usurper or Deceiver. Given because when he was born he came out grabbing the heel of his brother Esau. Im sure someones mentioned this before but I just thought about that. Jacob may be life, but Im not convinced hes good.
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I don't know if I saw your theory that Juliet was the mother last week or not, but I know that I wasn't opposed to the idea, or in favor of it necessarily. It wasn't a discussion I was interested in. The mystery of David's mom wasn't important to me, and I didn't believe we were given any information at all to indicate who the mother was, other than David's blue eyes, so I didn't partake. That said, I now think its Juliet based on the musical choice alone.
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The episodes leading up to it weren't that great, but I thought the finale was near perfect. But, I too, can see why some people woulnd't like it unfortunately. I just don't agree.
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Who else had blue eyes... Charlotte. Fact.
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The open-minded, not-as-judgmental-as-others type, but one who can kill in a flash of a second? That's cool. Nice call, StepDADDY, I like that. I am short and scrappy like him too. And have about the same length hair.
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...but then agsin none of my favs had centric eps yet (Ben, Des, Sawyer, Vincent) and thats when i really get into it... but stop actin self-righteous when it come to these tbs...
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I think they likely had some vague notion of what the hatch a/o "Others" a/o Island a/o Jacob/MIB/whatever. It might have been an inkling, and why develop it overmuch for a possibly one-season show. But I think the overall arc and the easter eggs have been too well-thought out to not be leading somewhere.That was all vague, I suppose. I think it was always about an Island that was its own special entity with a good-and-evil element to it originally intended or added for the final conflict between the MIB and Jacob with Jack being the eventual hero. Some they no doubt thought up between seasons, but I am reasonably sure they entered the seasons knowing the arc and making sure it all fit together and at some point they must have planned out the end point they were aiming toward.If I'm wrong I can eat plenty of crow for it. Still, it all seems to be leading to something. And maybe they changed the end point or how to get there. Certainly the presentation of The Others has changed (amongst other things). Still, I'd be very surprised if we find out they really fumbled in the dark without some direction for most of the series. If so, they have managed to tie it all together so that it all means something. Even if you think it means crap a/o is boring at times, it'd be hard to write a story like that and have it all tie together without some idea of the progression. So I believe they had some rough ideas what the hatch, Island, Others, Polar Bear, etc. were all about at the beginning, and probably based a lot of the ideas on the geeky source material that inspired them (e.g. Star Wars, The Dark Tower, Sopranos, etc.) and had some idea about the beginning and end (or possible endings). I think the middle, particularly with no firm end-date to guide the ark, was the sloppiest because they had no firm direction.Regardless, the mystical aspects were there from the beginning and the allusions to certain stories were there from the beginning, so I would guess they had at least some vague idea how it would end and have updated/tweeked it for story cohesion.-Cheers
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Really? People are taking this that far? You really believe that the physical embodiment of "Life" could be killed by Ben Linus with a knife and some fire, and that he would then hang around to chat with Hurly so his machinations could be brought to fruition? Or that the physical embodiment of death would fly around as a black smoke monster; one that could be stopped by a sonic fence or some ash? Or that either of them would just be chillin' on some "Lost" island?
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...so you deserve to be him in my opinion... just dont get shot and start cryin like a punk...
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lol I'm just going to come back in a few weeks again. I just can't take these talkbacks. Regarding "things changing", though; I can accept a lot of the changes that have taken place without question because of how much jumping, or "shifting", the island did. Island inhabitants acting differently is very much the least of my concerns regarding this final season. Introducing a bunch of new characters and then killing them just to move your story along comes in WAY higher than that.
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Blue eyes are a recessive gene. That is not a real clue as to the mom.-Cheers
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Maybe its not quite that simple but in addition to the sci-fi nature of the show there are some unavoidable heavy metaphysical themes too. Those themes still havent been fully explored yet so most of us have been trying to think about what it all means. Over simplified? Maybe.
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I don't believe the writers are that up on genetics. I think it is a clue. Plus, my mother has blue eyes, my dad has brown eyes (dominant) and I have blue eyes... so does my brother. Genes are a crazy thing.
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Ya know that part up above where I said there are people in these talkbacks who need help? Well, hold up a mirror and gaze, fellas. David, I'm being an ass and a prick because I expressed a different opinion than you? yourSTEPDADDY, do you understand the meaning of the word "hypocrite"? How about you look it up and then see if you can apply it to anything I've ever said in a lost thread. Both of you need to stop trying to be witty before you hurt yourselves. I didn't insult either of you or even address you by name. Yet you're so hung up on your own opinion that you found it necessary to attack me because I asked questions. Really, silliness.
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The FedEx guy has blue eyes.
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...cool down, i was just sayin you should leave (like you said) cuz you said didnt want to partcipate in theorizin wit us (and you preetty much called whoever posted the life and death theory a dumbass) and cuz you dont wanna read our stupid thoughts/opinions/theories (but then chastised the life/death theory)... just tryin to help ya out
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I think when Dogen told Sayid not to let MIB 'talk' before stabbing him... was just to prevent him from being recruited.. not in the literal sense of 'oh he just said something, now he can't die' but thats just my .02.
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Circle gets the square. I wondered how long that would take.
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Youre being an ass and prick because of your condescending statement about peoples theories on Locke and Jacob being Life and Death. The spirit of your post came across to me as "I cant believe youre all so stupid to think thats whats going on. Im soooooooooo smart I would never think that but im not gunna tell you what i think either so there!"
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imo, me and you are on the same page when it come to lost... cept i try not to criticize others intelligence or thougts or opinions, i just try to understand from theyre pov...
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Just like in Season 1 of LOST, just like pretty much every season since, the writers have given us TWO possible explanations. Either Dogen really expected Flocke to go all Smokey and kill Sayid, thus allowing Dogen to wash his hands of it... ... OR Dogen was right and once Flocke said something to Sayid, he had power over him and the knife failed. I think it works both ways. I think that's part of the magic and appeal of this show, the two explanations. I remember debating with friends in Season 1 over what was supernatural, what had a scientific explanation, etc. Hell, there were pple saying that Locke could have mentally convinced himself he was handicapped, and during the crash, he was jolted and reminded he *could* walk. They didn't want to think the Island could have healed him. And that's okay with me, I love that there can be competing theories for things.
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Is it a vegetable or a fruit?
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Agree that the flash sideways are what ifs. What if MIB granted the wishes of each lostie.
MIB and Jacob are sitting on the beach in last seasons finale. Jacob was also cooking a red herring. They are indeed Jacob and MIB, but the bodies they inhabited were those of other people who had come to the island some time before, maybe during Richard Alpert's time or something. Jacob's appearance is just that of whatever character he inhabited from that time. Hold that in mind.
The losties have experienced time travel. Something to do with the elctromagnetic properties of the island.
There is currently a war brewing between two opposing camps led by MIB and Jacob. The previous two eps had mirroring as noted above. MIB/Jacob, Sawyer/Jack, Cave/Lighthouse. Sawyer is of particular importance to MIB. Jack is of particular importance to Jacob.
A war ensues on the island between the two teams as being defined now. During the war, there is a flash and everyone time travels into the future. In the future, the Dharma Initiative have returned to the island.
Jack and Sawyer are on opposing sides already. Sawyer wants off the island - he has never left it in this reality since the pilot. Jack is starting to realize his importance to the island after the lighthouse incident. Jack and Sayer also hate each other because of Kate.
In the future, Jack and Sawyer have a fight, as part of the bigger war. Jack traps Sawyer inside a machine in a Darma building. The machine turns Sawyer into millions of nanobots.
Jack falls into some other machine that changes him in some way. While the war is continuing, there is another flash and they travel back in time to when ancient Egyptians were on the island. Smokey travels back too. The war continues. Jack is killed, but can inhabit the body of some other person who had been killed in that time. The body is that of what we now see as Jacob.
Jack is Jacob. Sawyer is smokey. When MIBLocke and Sawyer were walking through the jungle, MIBLocke said the following. He used to be a man (Sawyer). He has been trapped on the island for a long time (Sawyer has not left the island since the very first episode). MIBLocke said he lost someone he loved (Juliet). MIBLocke could see kid in the jungle. So could Sawyer. As a diversion, Sawyer asked smokey if he had read Of Mice And Men. MIB said no - a con.
The paradox is that smokey/Jacob caused the electromagnetic properties which drew the Dharma to the island. But the Dharma technology was what created smokey. It's not a pardox if time is running in a loop. As Faraday said, what happened-happened. This is the Richard/Locke/watch paradox again.
Jack and Sawyer set out the rules of their conflict. This is echoed by Ben and Widmore, and the broken rules/fight between the two.
The whole story is based on the inherent paradox of a time loop. That's why it's important that people "return to the island" and why "people have a purpose". To maintain the loop. If the loop is broken it will destroy the universe. This is where the Valenzetti equation comes in.
There is something important inside the temple that is crucially pivotal in maintaining the timeloop. Smokey wants to break the time loop, just to get off the god damned island - hence if he succeeds he can grant the losties their wishes - in the alt universe.
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...lol to me, it just seems YOU (Sayid) just stabbed him in his gut instead of chest...
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I thought Sayid aimed a little too low too. Shoulda went straight for the heart. When in doubt, ALWAYS treat it as you would a vampire!
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forgive me is someone already suggested this, but I'm not convinced the flashes are the "deals with the devil" everyone made with Flocke at some point this season. I think Flocke is going to get all of them together and make the deal he made with Sayid, "I'll let you see Nadia again....but there's a catch"...In the flash, Sayid was granted his wish literally, but be careful what you wish for because it appears it didn't work out as planned as Nadia is married to his brother and has children with him, etc. I have a feeling at some point, Desmond (just a guess) is going to reunite all the characters in the flashes and remind them of/tell them about the deals they made with the devil (Flocke) and how the only way they can stop being "lost" is to go back and defeat him freeing them of all these burdens. I mean, if Hurley was going to wish for something, he'd wish to be the luckiest guy in the world". It seems like a lot of the flashes contain things that show a be careful for what you wish for reality. In the end, I think the whole point of Lost is realizing there are no short cuts in life. You can't just wish things to be the way you want them to be. And if your wishes do come true, be careful of what you wish for. By standing up to evil (Flocke) and earning all the things you wanted via short cuts in your life, that's the only way you can be "found"....or maybe I'm full of crap.
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Not "not" convinced. I think the flashes are the results of the deal they each make with Flocke at some point to get off the island and get their wish granted.
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I thought that too at first. But then why make such a point of letting him get a couple of words out at all? And then why have Sayid deny that Locke said anything to Dogen? I think there's something more to it.
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...I HATE REREADIN THE SAME THEORY OVER N OVER... why cant people take the time to read before posting?...
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Mar 03, 2010 3:40:55 PM CST
ok, any theories alluding to MiB as the "devil"
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will be taken outside and killed brutally with a ballpoint pen. WTF are you thinking?
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...good advice...i hope that can be applied to aliens when they start invading... but then again, what could be their chest could be their anus...
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Mar 03, 2010 3:44:24 PM CST
Been trolling here for years; VALIS fires on theotherjosh
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not really; mostly lurking, but here I go: someone brought VALIS into this conversation, and KVJ I'll give you, OK, cool: but, Warren Ellis? No offense to Ellis, who is a terrific writer, but he only stands in the shadow of the mighty PK Dick. Seriously, that's like being offered Rolling Stones tickets and saying "I wish it were more like Aerosmith." Yes, I'm an old fart but that was the best analogy I could come up with.
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There is a contradiction of terms in last nights episode. I don't understand how Dogen can call say in one sentence "there is a man on this island..." (a MAN) followed almost immediately by "he is evil incarnate" (combined with our knowledge that he change into a giant column of horrifying, murderous black smoke) How can you be just a man, and EVIL INCARNATE that can change into smoke. I agree he isn't the devil, but he is something besides being just a man. Evil incarnate is a severe and calculated use of words. I'm more puzzled by the fact that he himself, and others, have now referred as being just a man.
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Dogen is on Jacob's side, therefore he buys into Jacob's bullshit. Jacob says MIB is "evil incarnate," Dogen will describe him to others the same way.
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Was it just me or did the smoke monster look to be some type of train when viewed from in the pit? I thought I saw a couple 'cars'
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and watching Emilie de Ravin talk is painful
Last night she said the one syllable name Kate
And the contortions her face went through to to get that word out...
Didn't this broad ever speak a human language prior to becoming an actress?
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I don't know about that but during the attack I did think of the line "Train to zone! Train to zone!"
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Just my speculation and guess (not based on any spoilers): I could easily imagine Sawyer in the alternate timeline being a cop who is deep undercover as a con man. In his flash sideways episode, he could have the chance to capture the original Sawyer (Locke's dad) and maybe he would hold off on killing him.It appears that the more of these flash sideways we are shown, the more they progressively go off-continuity from the prime timeline.
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Well thought out sir.
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but it could have been bodies or something. Man I love that the SMoke Monster is the star of season 6. So word is that the before Finale Episode is just about jacob and MIB.
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Maybe it's Aaron -- he could be brought to The Island by Widmore (who had his people kidnap Claire's kid). (This could tie in to Desmond's vision of Claire and Aaron leaving together in a helicopter.)A second possibility would be Walt; maybe Damon and Lindoff have been doing their damnedest to keep the return appearance of Walt under wraps.
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...i mean, we hear of rules, but are they just laws instead something concrete like gravity on earth?
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Man In Black. He's the unnamed Yin to Jacob's Yang.
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hahaha
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If I could ask two things:You seem to actually watch the show: do you like it? Addendum question, if not then why do you watch? Just wondering.Second question, do you have any non-spoiler guesses on what's going on or how you think it will all end? I'm not going to base my life on it, but you seem to have thought somewhat about it, and I'm just curious.-Cheers
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I can see that too. If Jacob had never approached him at his parents' funeral, maybe Sawyer would have gone down the Bruce Wayne/Batman route in his life instead. So his upcoming flash sideways could be his pivotal "facing Joe Chill" moment. This could also tie in with him interacting with alternate Locke -- he might already know the last whereabouts of Sawyer (Locke's dad) upon investigating the attempted murder of his son. Man now I'm really looking forward to Sawyer's flashback sideways episode.
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...did ANYONE ever see Jacob besides the O6/llana off-island? i ask cuz he couldve been a spirit then... but Kates friend probably saw em, right?
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...lockes and his dad are cool in lax, im guessin the dad never was a conman which makes sawyer, not sawyer (even the name is gone most likely)..
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Just looked at the press release for next week and a couple of folk are back we've not seen for a while judging from the guest stars. Also unfortunately although it's a Ben episode (usually a good thing) it's also written by the same pair who wrote What Kate Does (usually a bad thing.)
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And his dead mom beckoning him to the woods and saying "its not time yet"... Do we think that was Smokey? Or something else? Because Alpert seemed to think that Ben, being able to see someone who didn't die on the Island, was special somehow. I still maintain that not every dead person that's appeared to someone (other than Hurley) on the show has been Smokey.
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Perhaps his nickname in the alt-world ought to be Finn.
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Back in Season 1 when I thought there would be a big split between the LOSTies and a Lord of the Flies style battle between them... never did I think any of them would truly go evil.
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...and that's good! If they had just written him/it off as "that mysterious smokey thing", and just focused on Widmore or Linus as the main baddies going out, it wouldn't have been nearly as interesting. I give the writers BIG credit for that shift.
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I dunno, some people thought Locke was evil just off that scene with him smiling on the beach with the orange peel. I don't think it was deliberately shot to seem that way, just the way the cookie crumbled and the fan reaction to the ambiguity. In retrospect it becomes a great piece of foreshadowing, along with the black and white stones and backgammon themes.
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If someone tried to kill me three or four times, I think I might have snapped as well.
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...when he imploded the sub...
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At the end of the Kate episode, Locke finds Vincent and allows Michael to give him to Walt. We get a very happy ending with the survivors going on living, a happy Walt seeing Michael bring Vincent to him over the hill, etc. The music swells, then gets very quiet and hints at some foreboding. The camera is behind someone, watching Michael and Walt play with Vincent. The camera pans around to reveal... LOCKE, looking very intently at the boy and his father, his face devoid of emotion. The music gets very creepy and then.... POOM! End Titles. My friend was CONVINCED that was a clue that Locke was a very bad man. I thought it was just some foreshadowing to show he would get the backstory treatment next. As for the orange peel in the mouth, it freaked Kate out. She didn't find it funny. Locke looked sad, then turned away and ate his orange.
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...just like the island is...or maybe he admires fros..
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People need to just face it. I hope he's just dead.
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I actually like new Locke...Flocke...quite a bit better.
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Of course what works less well as foreshadowing is those early scenes setting up Locke as either a good man or a bad man are equally centred on Walt. Oh well, win some lose some :-)
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You guys who whine about the lack of answers just fail to comprehend the show right now. If you could, you would realize the answer bomb has already dropped and you just didn't realize it. The big answer is already there, it's just cloudy. Too cloudy for the average viewer to see, but a hardcore lost fan can see it. Maybe I should spell it out for you instead of troll - but here's a hint: think harder about Dogen's speech about good and evil. Then rewatch the opening of Season 5 finale between Jacob and MiB. Then go back and watch the Lighthouse scene with Jack, Hurley, and Jacob. If you still don't get it, then go back and rewatch the entire series with these conversations in mind. And if you don't want to do that then just be patient and wait until they clear up the water and they tell you bluntly.
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Face it, don't get conned by her pretty face. She's a big, slobbering see-you-in-tee. Yes, Cunt.
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You must be, like, totally, TOTALLY cool. All the boys and girls must want you for their friend or boy toy. You are better than all of us.
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But she is fuckin hot. I'd smash that. Last night's ep with her boobs straining against that t-shirt? Nice. Scenes with her in panties. Spectacular.
Beyond that, I don't mind her as a character. Not my fave, but not bad. She probably got the shaft after they decided not to kill Jack and make her the leader. I just wish it would have been my shaft that she got. -
No Walt, I promise. I have no direct connection to the show but I can't tell you how I know.
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I’ll tell you part of why they are significant if it will shut you up. You see Darlton have told us the “alt” timeline is what would have occurred if Jacob had not interfered in the lives of the characters. So, since Jacob operates from the island which exists at the epicenter of the vile vortices, outside of time, Jacob’s interference alters the natural timeline. So the “alt” timeline isn’t alt actually, it’s the way things were supposed to be.
With that said, are you noticing what is happening in each of the flash sideways? Each character is ultimately resolving their issues, one way or another. Instead of running away, Kate returned to make a friend.. Claire had and kept her unplanned baby. Locke made peace with his disability and realized ‘what he can’t do.’ Jack resolved his issues with his father and his god complex. Sayid discovered that he really is an evil murderer.
So here you have two realities. One where the losties are complete, and another where they are ‘broken’. Jacob’s interference brought them to the island and he brought them all there broken and figuratively LOST. He wanted them to be broken because he needs them to make an important choice on the island. I don’t know what it is. But it’s probably one that will probably affect the fate of the planet. He watched and selected these people because of their specific complexes. He brought them to the island LOST because he needs them to be FOUND on the island.
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Premiere = absent, Kate = got it, Locke = got it, Jack = didn't have it, Sayid = didn't have it. I'm talking about the rickety, rolly, wooden sound effect that immediately follows the altered woosh sound in the flashes
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I mean, none of that shit is speculative at all. I knew he wasn't just spouting the same old tired bullshit as every body else. He is truly better than all of us.
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If anything, I think the WHOOSH sounds are becoming stronger as the show progresses, sounding louder and more and more like a plane engine.
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When did Darlton clear up what the alt timeline is? I don't recall that. I thought it was still a comlete mystery. In fact, I thought someone posted a Darlton quote one time that said the other timeline is not an alternate universe. I just need some clarification on what Darlton has actually said on the topic.
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I'm not talking about that sound effect. I am talking about the one that follows it. Its in Kate and Locke's eps only. Others know what I'm talking about. There's the initial plane engine sound in the woosh, then theres this wooden, creaking, rolling, rackety sound, sounds like a wooden roller coaster or some kind of wooden machine on wooden caster rollers
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Last season of Battlestar Galactica.....I'm watching these episodes and there pretty good but nothing really happens but upping the coincidence quotient and introducing new concepts...driving me nuts. This show better either have a great payoff resolve or an absolute mindfuck...cuz I'm getting that limp dick Galactica ending feel which instead of making that show a classic to be rewatched for yeras to come..a woulda shoulda coulda..
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Who the fuck knows? For me S6 rocks. I've enjoyed every episode thus far, even the Kate one which was not the best Lost ep, but was still good.
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Everytime smokey shows up..the wooden roller coaster thing.
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WTF??? There has been a ton of forward progress this season. I laugh when people say it better have a great payoff. This is the payoff. The entire season seems to be building to a climax on the island. I guess a lot of people didn't really want a season 6. I think a lot of pepole have no fucking patience and would rather have had a single two hour episode where EVERYTHING IS REVEALED AT ONCE. Bang-Bang-Bang!Fuck, enjoy the ride. This whole season has been consistently building up to something.
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WTF??? There has been a ton of forward progress this season. I laugh when people say it better have a great payoff. This is the payoff. The entire season seems to be building to a climax on the island. I guess a lot of people didn't really want a season 6. I think a lot of pepole have no fucking patience and would rather have had a single two hour episode where EVERYTHING IS REVEALED AT ONCE. Bang-Bang-Bang!Fuck, enjoy the ride. This whole season has been consistently building up to something.
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My bad ...
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Then why are you posting here? Go watch Heroes re-runs then. (or wait for new eps)
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...and an ACTUAL answer works... besides the char dev thing cuz thats not a answer, its BS... i guess ya gotta LOVE Phantom Menance if ya like SW, right?
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Uh... no. Just go to aintitcool.com/user After that page loads, click on the "Track" link, and it'll show you your msg history.
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Everyone should express their opinions. Hell, I don't despise TPM they way many people do (though it by no means is a great film). But saying nothing is happening in S6 is just untrue. Thats all I'm sayin'.
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...wit Walt or Vincent.... ha ha
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I feel like a real dumbass for not sussing that out on my own, but I really like your explanation. You must be a English Lit guy, no?
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Fuck yeah, it says I've been a member for 40 years and 10 weeks! I'm that good that I was posting shit since before the fuckin Intarwebz.LOST time travel is in effect!!!
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Understandable, I'm being asshole. But I'm glad a few people thought about what I said.
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Could the bomb have been a happy coincidence, and that the actual reason for the flash-sideways are because Jacob died, his "touching" of the candidates is now worthless...showing what their lives would have been like without his influence and how fate would have brought the castaways together, regardless of his input?
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It's called contrast. Perhaps the reason last week was all happy and fine because Shephard chose a different path than Sayid. I loved last week's episode as well as this week. If you hate Lost perhaps you should go back to watching reurns of Dollhouse, is just too deep for you.
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As someone who's followed the whole thing since the beginning, I've given up hope that this show is going anywhere good. It's not even about the ending at this point. It's clear the writers have no idea how to build up a character anyone should give a damn about. In five years you would think I would care (or have cared about) a single character on this show. Just one. I really don't care if any of them get killed off. None of them are anything remotely resembling a character. They are Action Figures. They go over here, do this or that, then go over here and do something else. They don't have character arcs or even motivation. What's Jack's story arc? Kate's? Anybody's? They are on straight paths, not arcs. They are like jellyfish characters, they float around, stuff happens to them, but they don't change, grow, or even behave in believable ways. One season they act one way, the next season something completely different. After watching a show like Supernatural or Friday Night Lights, it's clear that Lost is glossy, dressed up garbage by writers that have no idea what they're doing. It's 90% filler and regardless of how "great" the ending is it won't matter; the show itself is just bad and it starts and ends with the poorly written characters. And this is from someone who defended it three seasons in when all my friends ditched it. I'll stay till the end because I've come this far, but I see Lost for the mess that it is and won't (and still haven't) watch any past episodes again.
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Now get the fuck outta here
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Who's bright idea was it to put a pregnant suit on Emilie de Ravin and have her sit down for half the series?
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Really? I put up an honest post and that's what I get? You could defend the show in some way, lord knows I have. I've watched every episode since the beginning, I have every right to call it like I see it, especially with the show winding down. If you don't like it, you fuck off.
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(in annoying Australian accent): I'm having a ba-by. Is my ba-by safe? Look at my ba-by. Where's my ba-by? Who took my ba-by? Did you take my ba-by? I want my ba-by. And so on. I was so happy when she disappeared because we didn't have to hear about her goddamn ba-by ten times an episode. Annoying character. The only plus side is you could play a drinking game based off how many times Claire says the word "ba-by".
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If it's not to late to join in the "Which Lost Charter Are You?" facebook game, I'm Cindy the flight attendant. She was in the first scene of the first episode and the first scene of the first season six episode. I - as Napoleon Park - have been here since the first talk back.Someone asked a while back about Cindy's deal. Years ago I suggested she was Lost's only hero. On a show about flawed characters, she's been helpful, concerned and generous (in her job on the plane), and everything she's done since being kidnapped by the Other's during the Tailie march to the beach has been to care for and protect "the Children" Emma and Zach. I have probably not been so noble or caring myself these five some years, but if no one else is claiming her, I want to be Cindy.
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Poor Sayid, sells his soul in one world for a chance to be with Nadia again in another, then blows it. Takes a close look at her and himself and passes on the grass ring - or the gold.Other point of view: He gets his brotha's woman to fall for him, then gives her that old high school soap opera crap "It's not you it's me, I'm not good enough for you, you deserve better." Sayid, you Playa!But if LA X Sayid was truly evil he'd put that brass or gold ring in her nose and make her his sex slave.
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We have the LA X cliffhanger of the Kwon's trying to get past customs with a stash of cash and a gold watch "business present" from an unspecified business. With the minor questions of whether Jin and Sun are even married, and whether Sun really doesn't speak English or if she's lying.Then we have Sayid, who just killed three men, finding a live witness bound in a cooler saying "No English!" With no way to communicate, how can Jin possibly convince Sayid to trust him not to identify him to the police? And would Jin even agree to that, even if he technically didn't witness the killings? Sayid has the smoking gun, he can eliminate tht threat of the witness with a twitch of his finger and assume that anyone the bad guys were holding and beating on was probably also a baddie.Hard not to be sarky but someone mentioned the Airport and freezer cliffs as "elements that were dropped without being explained" even though there is a Sun/Jin episode on the schedule. C'mon, gotta say "well durn!" to that. They are setting up cliff-hangers to be resolved in that episode. While, I assume and or certainly hope, the on island part of their -centric episode will be their long awaited reunion.
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Yeah, as soon as Dogen threw down with Sayid, three moves in I thought "one of these men is gonna die.And the second Keamy and his crew threatened Nadia's kids, I instantly knew they'd just killed themselves: "death by Sayid [tm]". Market it on a business card.
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I love the show, I'm defending it. If you dont like this show, then dont be surprised that you get this type of talkback after what you posted. This is not the nicest talkback group. If you posted here, you should have some idea.
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The island is a four letter word with one vowel, an 'o'.Asked and answered. It's still a "rock". Paul Simon: "I am a rock, I am an island."As mentioned previously, I think there's a volcano on the island and therefore it's a volcanic island: a hollow tube of crust built around an eruption of subterranean magma. Pumice. Volcanic rock. Oh, and plenty of volcanic ash, for all you "where'd they get all the ash" fans. With the part of the island above water being a big soil covered rock sitting on top of that long hollow tube that shatters and collapses, allowing the island to sink the way a mountainous island rising like a mountain from the sea could never do.That's how it sinks" rocks don;t float. And the island is a rock.Bonus "I'm trying to be less sarcastic" points to whoever counted the vowels in "gaol" and got one.
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Walt, Aaron, Zach, Emma, Ji Yeon, David, Dogens son, Nadia's kids. Jacob and MIB looking for substitutes or replacements.Ten years, look for news of "Lost: the Next Generation - The Rise of Tarawat Island".
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jimmy_009:
Haha! That's dead-on actually. I think they forgot that eventually the kid would be born and they'd need something for her to do.
But still, they killed off Maggie Grace (annoying, but hot). And then they put more clothes on Claire than a nun. We're in Hawaii...they give the ladies a shirtless Sawyer.
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I'm sure it's been mentioned, but has anyone noticed the alignment of the characters on the promotional Lost Supper poster for this season? It looks like the characters sides of alignment is represented in the poster: With Locke in the middle, his opposers seeem clear cut enough on one side (Jack, Hurley, Linus, Jin, Sun, Miles, Lapides) but his supporters are more interesting (Sawyer, Kate, Sayid, Claire, Richard, Ilana). Thoughts?
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...cut the budget. Lots of shows with huge ensemble casts have to make cuts or lay off characters. Lost sidestepped this by shortening their final seasons.
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I was talking about character arcs, motivations, etc. You just told me to fuck off. Not exactly "defending" the show. I've been in your shoes so I know exactly how you feel. You aren't "defending" the show, you are defending yourself for watching the show. I watch the show. I'm not putting you down.
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Some mini-trollsters think the SideFlashes are filler, some can't understand how they relate or will ever tie in. and some has stated that if the current schedule or giving just a couple answers or hints per episode were accelerated, everything we've "learned" so far this season could have been covered in just two episodes.And you know, that might be a fact. but what the hell, do you really want the final season of Lost to be five or six episodes long? You realize that if they worked at an accelerated dozen-answers per episode rate, Lost would be done by now? Seriously, waiting to find out how Lost ends has - jokingly - been cited as one of the few things I have to live for. hey, I may be dying as fast as I can, but give me 'til May, alright?
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...shrank.Miles was right.Wow!
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Arc or not, its the same show. So yeah, fuck off you fuckin troll.
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The Economist at ABC...cut the budget. Lots of shows with huge ensemble casts have to make cuts or lay off characters. Lost sidestepped this by shortening their final seasons.Someone mentioned that Dogen's son story was a rare example of a back story verbalized instead of flash-backed. Considering he was a short lived character who died in that episode, imagine if they had to find him a home set, the party where he gets drunk, the always expensive special effects involved in a car crash plus hiring an actor to play his son... Oh wait, they already did that the week before. Well, anyway, the car crash would have been expensive. Maybe part of it was saving time with only the remaining episodes left, maybe it was their declaration of }no more flashbacks" Whatever the reason for Dogan's "talk-back," it no doubt saved some money.
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The alt timeline can't work:
If the losties never crash on the island, then they can't be on the island to go back in time.
If they don't go back in time on the island, then they can't detonate Jughead.
If they don't detonate Jughead, then the island doesn't sink.
If the island doesn't sink, then they should crash on the island.
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The rudest and most offensive and vulgar people in this talkback are, ironically, the self-styled troll bashers who think they're defending the talkback instead of making a mess of things.You're so vain, you probably thing this post... is not about you.
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It's "Think"
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The Constant is my all-time favorite episode as well. Dearly loved the frak out of it. It was the culmination of Penny and Desmond. It even made me cry as well as get goosebumps.
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I could see that show in production!
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Haven't read every post in every talkback, but has anyone ever had a good theory on when exactly Jacob touched the losties?You would think that he touched them before the show started and that's what brought them to the island, but we know that he touched Sayid AFTER they got off the island the first time, so what does that mean?Also, I still can't see why Sayid is being proclaimed evil for last night's ep. Sure you can say he's bad for his wartime torturing, but last night he was pretty much justified. He killed Keamy and his men who were threatening his brother and his family and also pretty likely going to kill him. Then he killed Dogen and Deadwood guy who had tortured him and tried to have him killed. As a result, a lot of Others died but who cares since Sayid knows a thing or two about them--kidnapping, torture, mass murder, etc.
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Lost.
The island is Lost. It's a place for lost souls to gather. Think about it. Everyone in the island's life was in disarray before they came. Everyone. I'm not going to explain it in detail, because all you need to do is think. You know I'm right.
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The Flash Sideways are occurring in an alternate reality so they will not make any sense with relation to anything going on to the people on the island. In the alt world there is no island, no Jacob, no past seasons of "Lost"... so Ethan not being on a submarine and Linus being a teacher and all of everything else, with the exception of some key character back stories like Jack and his father, Kate and her murder, mean nothing.
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Alt Sawyer is the same as he was...
Doesn't anyone remember the plane, he was all ready to con Hugo, plays the "watchful do-gooder", sghouldn't tell people you won the lotto, etc, and then that easy mark grin he gives as he watches hugo get off the plane in pursuit.
And have we got any mathamaticians round here?
They said Jacob has a thing for numbers, and if so, would the assigned numbers to each person have a relationship to each other?
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more like rude misogynist "Vikki ... dont ever chime in on something if I didnt name you or attack you." way to make the lady's point for her
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I do have respect for her. Not you. Alot of us go back on the TB's. Especially the whole summer.
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I still don't get what's going on with Sayid. Is there a good reason why he should trust UnLocke? Something better than, "let's see. I hate The Others, so anybody who also hates The Others must be my friend, even if it's a zombie!"
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...sort of reinforces the Flash-Sideways=Flash-Forwards theory.
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You're okay too, thanks for being a war hero and all. But are you fucking kidding me with that "don't ever chime in on something if I didn't name you or attack you". You think you're the defender of the clubhouse by telling newbies to fuck off? Well I'm the fucking defender of the talkback which is a PUBLIC FORUM to the extent that AICN allows it to be and I say it's trolls and self proclaimed trollfighters who imagine there's a difference between wading through their crap and wading through troll crap that make this talkback a chore to get through some times. So thank you for ten years of brave patriotic service during which our fine nation was almost never attacked by terrorists, and STFU when it comes to telling people what they can't post here.And before you send the invitation, no, I'm a 57 year old 386 pound cripple with an open surgical wound I can't afford skin grafts for and I've never been East of Detroit, so NO, I'm not coming to the front stoop of you building so you can beat me up, Tuff Guy.As another confused weakling once said "Don't ever tell me what I can't do."
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If that's what I thought, that's what I would have written. So stop projecting your fear of your own inadequacies on to other peoples posts. What you implied about what I wrote is of no concern when your response is to call me names (ass and prick). Again, I didn't stoop that low, you did. Man up and deal with it. Oh, and here's a hug for you, too. You clearly need one. (((((( david19 )))))
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I've just seen the name tossed around in various places. Officially, the Island has no name, there was a thread of discussion here and someone suggested Foot Island. And unless I'm mistaken, which has been know to happen, the four toed Foot that casts the shadow has been identified as the remains of the statue of Tarawat. I may have that misspelled, feel free to Google [tm] brand web search or wiki for it. I didn't make up the name "Tarawat Island", it may just not be in common play.
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has been on LOST 4 times now: http://bit.ly/bz21fq
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Dude. I didn't insult anybody. Read this talback and then compare it to what I wrote. I say again, I DID NOT insult anybody. I didn't even include any user names in my posts. Maybe it's just the way I write. I don't know and I don't care. The fact that some people take all this nonsense WAY too seriously and are just BEYOND sensitive about some random characters posted by an anonymous "person" is in NO WAY any of my concern. Especially after some recent attacks in the past by some unnamed posters. If people don't get that we all have the right to express our own opinions without being attacked it's their loss. I wish them luck dealing with the real world where the shit people think of you actually matters. End of rant. Cool that we have some of the same thoughts on Lost. I still love the show. I've just recently come to the realization that they've snuck up on us with completely changing the way they're telling the story this season. It's still interesting, but like I said; it's resolution vs revelation. I'm not sure we're going to get a revelation bigger than Un-Locke being the Smoke Monster until near seasons end (if then). And I just don't dig the connected meetings in LA X time. That's just a personal opinion. Like I said, it feels contrived, and unnecessary... but we'll see.
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I never said people couldnt post here. But you have your opinions and I have mine. I've invested ALOT in this show. I post about my meetup group. Yeah, I lash out at bullshitters.
I posted before, I have no beef with you, I didnt go into your personal history, nor did I post mine in this particular tb.
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I'm genuinely confused by all the talk of "flashing sideways". Is this just something that people are saying to explain an alt timeline, or are we really of two thoughts in regards to what happened on the show? Or maybe three, because some people probably don't believe either. I thought all the "flashing" was done by the time Julia went nuke bashing, so what she created shouldn't, in theory, be what we previously considered a flash at all. How they're going to explain the paradox of having two sets of characters (evidently) in one universe living out two simultaneous timelines is still a mystery to me. And in my gut I really think they may not have to explain it if the island sinks with everybody on it, thereby effectively ending Island Time. Another thing that is still perplexing me is when exactly IS Island Time? As far as I can remember (still have all the eps on the DVR) they haven't actually come out and said clearly where the island ended up. As I mentioned in a previous talkback, they DID have what appeared to be a shiny new bus, versus the old faded ones from the previously current timeline (fuck I hate convoluted time travel plots). So, anyway, back to my original question, what does Flashing Sideways mean? Because I'm pretty sure the bomb exploded did some crazy alt timeline creating that had nothing to do with flashing.
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DOOR. Mark my words.
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douchebags, with an E. Just tryin' to help you out there.
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Troll? The only one exhibiting troll behavior is you. I'm actually talking about the show. The best you can muster is to say "fuck off". Darkocity actually addressed my points, and while I don't agree with him/her, at least I can respect that he/she actually has something to say other than "don't take away my baby bottle/fuck you". Darkocity, I think those things you pointed out aren't really story arcs so much as backstory. I don't see Sawyer getting conned/being a con man playing any part whatsoever in where he has ended up over the last four years. The same can be said for most of the characters. Their weaknesses and needs were vital to the first season, but as the show went on it's like the writers didn't know how to effectively use those to create change in these characters. The change that came over Sawyer in becoming a homebody wasn't even shown on screen and had nothing to do with who he was as a character. He was just suddenly "domesticated". Why? Because it fit the plots needs I guess. Not the characters. Jack's story is the biggest mess of all. Strong in season 1, then all over the place. None of these characters have a defined arc. Much like the plot, they are everywhere, just moving from one point of the island to another. Not strong storytelling. Compare that to Supernatural where these two characters have a beginning, middle, and end that is clearly defined and makes sense. I just don't see that in Lost.
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Some of the people who post here are fans of the Tv show Lost and read articles about the show and interviews with the shows creators, aka The Darlton.The writers have stated that for this season, no more flashbacks, no more Flashforwards, just Flash-Sideways. That's where the term comes from. And in more recent interviews they have quite specifically rejected terms line "alternate reality" and "alternate timeline". So we assume that the 2007 Island storyline and the 2004 LA X storyline are NOt "alternate realities" because that what the shows creators say, or claim. some are skeptical or mistrustfl because, so far, no one can exactly figure out or predict the endgame of how the two storylines merge or relate to one another. Though this week the Smoke Monster offering Sayid a chance to be with the dead Nadia in return for service may be a hint or clue. Thus this tb's "deal with the devil" discussion posted higher up.See, no reason to be embarrassed by being confused or not understanding what "flash-sidewards" means exactly. None of us are cure what it means, some of us trust it will be explained by the final episode, some seem doubtful.As for the time lines, although there were significant differences, a large number of similarities indicate the LA X flight 815 landed in late September, 2004. Not as many, but a few, clues, including Claire being told she went missing three years earlier (about an event that occurred in December 2004) strongly hints that the curent events on the island are happening in 2007. Well, that seems to be the commonly held belief, even though three years after December 2004 PLUS the amount of time the Oceanic Six spent off the island would actually add up to it's being 2008 now, show-time. But hey, if EVERYONE says it's 2007, who wants to argue with something as powerless as simply doing the math?
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Mar 03, 2010 9:06:54 PM CST
My god this talkback is littered with haters...
by saul_tighs_missing_eye
IF you don't like it, why spend so much fucking time talking about it? Seriously?
"Any reviewer who expresses rage and loathing for a novel is preposterous. He or she is like a person who has put on full armor and attacked a hot fudge sundae." -Kurt Vonnegut -
Thanks for the info. I definitely keep my Lost intake (strictly) to just watching the eps aired on ABC. Been that way since season one. I didn't actually know that the writers/creator had stated that, so... that's interesting. lol It might actually annoy me a little bit. But I'm definitely willing to wait and see how the show ends before coming to any definitive decisions regarding their creative choices thus far. In regards to the two times, yeah, I get that, and it makes sense. Of at least the three years passing makes sense, because they've stated as much on the show, the age of Aron, etc. So that works for me. But time on the island itself has always been a bit wonky. So I guess in my gut I haven't come to terms with it being as simple as, "bomb go boom, plane land when it should have, island ended up in current time". I mean, there's nothing wrong with that, it just seems a bit simple.
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Thank you for spending your time for a show you dont like. You made your point.
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I am a douchebag. (By the way, Jaka, the 'e' Tex left out was the one Riz added to Carly.)A douchebag is something women gladly insert into their lady parts and it's warm and pleasurable and makes them feel clean and refreshed and comfortable and relaxed and makes them smell pretty and tasty down there, just like I do. I'm proud to be a douchebag. You should be too.Prince charles once stated he longed to mbe his lover's tampon. I wold like to be crazy dirty Claire's douchebag because she's a dirty girl and needs the comfort. But I'd be happy to be Cindy's douchebag just 'cuz she's pretty and nice. I'd even be Kates douchebag and not try to kill her like a Rely tampon, as long as she keeps wearing that overly tight push-up bra she apparently found in the jungle. You think maybe she was just looking through other people's lost luggage and found a bra and decided to keep it even though it was obviously too tight? 'Cause Kate's pretty skinny to begin with, so she must have found one of Emma's old T-shirts for it to fit that tight on her. Unless jack got her preggers; that can make 'em swell up like that, y'know.
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I was hoping in the alternative time line where the plane didn't crash that when characters meet each other they get a DeJa Vu "have we met before" kind of feeling. and other things feel familiar sparking them on a Journey where they all meet up.
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First off people that are frustrated with the show aren't necessarily "haters". It's easy to lump everyone into that category because it means there's something wrong with THEM, not the show. I've watched every season, invested a lot of time into the show. The show it winding down and the people that have kept up with the show have every right to give their feedback on what's happening. That doesn't make them "haters" if they don't happen to like what they see. They are simply giving an appraisal. I know I'm not "trolling" or being a "hater" when I explain point by point the problems I'm having with this show. I've put just as much time into it as you, I've been hooked on all the cliffhangers and mysteries. And now I'm saying it's just not that good of a show in retrospect. If you can't handle that (and it seems a lot of people can't handle the thought of someone not giving a positive appraisal of a show they like and start acting like babies), then just ignore my comments and enjoy away. Hell, I wish I could enjoy it as much because right now I'm wondering if the last ten episodes are more of a chore than something I'm looking forward to.
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That little douchebag rant is all time AICN talkback classic. Like, if there was an AICN talkback hall of fame that paragraph would be in it. Effin' dyin'.
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Please clear things up. I mentioned before...I have respect for you. You havent even addressed this and I've bee more than nice towards you. Can I get an explanation or can I unleash Banner rage?
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I spend my time on it because I did like it, I've spent a good 80-90 hours of my time watching it, and I have every right to dissect and discuss it. Some things we like and they frustrate us because we know they could be better. What the fuck is wrong with talking about it? I'm going to piss off some tool that has his hands over his ears going "nah nah nah I can't hear you?" Fuck that, if I want to talk about what's wrong with this show THAT I WATCH I will. You need to get over it. Just enjoy the show and ignore my comments if they hit such a strong nerve on you.
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Mar 03, 2010 9:21:39 PM CST
Regardless Whether He Turns Out Evil
by enderisbacktosmiteoncemoreintothebreachd
I for one, like ol' smokey a whole hell of a lot more than Jacob. Jacob seems like such a fucking pussy. He might as well be the Riddler....Follow this, read this, write this down....What is it? I dont know you have to find out. When is it? Im not sure, you'll figure it out. Who is it? You'll know.....I mean come on. Jesus
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Not as easy as, as you say, Bomb go boom. Apparently bomb both did and did not go boom and we're being shown the aftermath of both options, but in a way that is NOT a Marvel comics style "what if" alternate reality. Or so they say. Clearly the writers have some 'splainin' to do but they still have ten shows to do it in.
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Well, mostly what jimmy_009 just said. But in my own words, I think you mistake far too many posters comments as stating that they "hate Lost" when it's really just venting our frustration and disappointment. The show is NOT perfect and it never has been. The fact that it's filled with so many "mysteries" as well as none too few GIANT plot holes sometimes makes it very frustrating to watch. When/if things happen that we aren't expecting it doesn't always make everybody happy and it certainly doesn't have to. Why you seem to think that you need to bash every person who has a dissenting opinion is beyond me (and a great many other people, evidently). We have a right to voice our opinions and questions in a manner that is comfortable to us. It's the freedom that this site has always allowed (for better or worse). Anyway, I'm going off on a rant a little bit here. But unless somebody comes out and says, "I hate Lost", you should really stop assuming that's what anything said negatively implies. Because it really doesn't. The show pisses me off on a weekly basis, but I still absolutely love it. Which must mean it's a pretty damn good show, right? Completely and totally unrelated, DAMN Max Payne is a TERRIBLE movie. I think I'm actually going to change the channel. Freakin' awful.
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...it's very possible that Un-Locke and Jack are heading towards a confrontation that will sink the island and leave us with just LA X time going forward. How many mysteries are explained and/or how much of the reasoning behind how this all works remains to be seen. It just has so much of a final season of X-Files, though. I watched X-Files religiously, and it really failed in the end (for me, anyway). Granted, they should have wrapped it up a few seasons before they did, and Lost has that going for it. I'm just hoping Lost can have some sort of reasonable purpose for existing even this long when the season is over. If they can do that, if it feels like some sort of solid (completed) story arch has taken place, I'll be more than pleased (even if it doesn't turn out how I personally would like it to).
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Just rewatched the ending. I don't know if everyone covered this yet or not...probably yes, but I'm still curious. Who thought the end implied Kate was "claimed" or at least hinted at the idea she was going to side with him. My one friend said she didn't even consider that possibility (which made me question her powers of observation) but even after thinking about it, said she thought it seemed more like Kate wasn't in the weird trancey looking state the rest are in. On first viewing, I definitely felt she was definitely claimed. On second, I'm leas convinced. MiB gives a friendly smile and nod to sayid and Claire, and just a sideways glance at Kate. Also, picked up the gun, maybe hinting she still has some idea that she's in danger an will need to protect herself. What do you guys think?
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when they did it the first time with a different name, i believe he was called Porter, and they changed the name to Payback.
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Understood. Thats why we have our imaginations and suspension disbelief. Its not a prefect show, but a damn good one. If you dont like it; post on a LOST haters tb. Cause if ya dont, sorry for mu commnets TB'ers.
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I think Kate is going with them to stay with Claire. That's her whole reason for going back to the Island: to bring Claire home. She looked shocked by all the dead Others outside the Temple and picked up a gun almost as an afterthought. She hasn't been claimed.
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They were probably just people who chose to go to the side that was going to do all of the killing and they decided to live. Kate really just had no choice, but since she knows Locke is dead realizes something is amiss and is there because what else could she do?I think they are all there pretty much by choice. Sawyer wasn't mind-wiped or anything after deciding to help not-Locke by leaving the Island. So I don't think they're brainwashed once they side with the MIB. Kate hasn't given her allegiance, hence no warm not-Locke smile, she's just there and probably going to be getting the song-and-dance about joining the anti-Jacobian side and have to make up her mind.I thought Kate's look of horror implied she was NOT going to side with not-Locke, not to mention that her and Jack seem destined to side together. I also think Sawyer will end up on the good guys side (Sayid may as well), but we'll see.Then again, I could be totally wrong. As long as they make it enjoyable, I'm just cool with enjoying the story they present to us though.-Cheers
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If if offended you, I'm sorry I mentioned your military service. Actually, I thought citing it would help explain you to the others. Trained to defend territory, trained to be strong and aggressive. Without that back-story you kinda come off as a thug.I don't expect people to remember every bit of TMI I've posted as Napoleon Park, NPIsBack, VikkiMarsdale and whatever other names I've used to slip back in here after being repeatedly banned (for reasons I never clearly understood.) So hey, if you mention being in the Navy for ten years once, that follows you for as long as you stay here. But if making personal remarks is off limits while trying to tell people to dial it down a little, than I'm sorry.You said: "I mentioned before...I have respect for you. You haven't even addressed this and I've bee more than nice..."But I said "You're okay too" and "thank you for ten years of brave patriotic service" - so I did give you the mutual respect you're seeking. And you said "don't ever chime in on something if I didn't name you or attack you" so instead of "more than nice" I'm going to go with "slightly less than..."By the way, in my initial "Their mirrors must be broken" post, Mar 3rd 7:24 PM I never specifically mentioned j2517 or any other so-called trollfighters by name. I'm just bored with all the anger and vitiperatude and fralala and naughty words being tossed about, getting in the way of the meat of what's made this talkback interesting for 5.25 years.I've bashed a few trolls in my day, but then I'm tired of getting banned here, too. Anything I said here today was a quarter of what I decided not to put in print. And a lit of that was my old damned hippy anti-war, anti-military crap I tried to bury decades ago digging it's way back up Xombi style. Stuff not worth discussing here. So I'm going to take my own advice and STFU. That's one of those cute internet acronyms the kids these days use. You do know what it means, right?Save the Banner rage, Popeye the Sailor only has one eye and you want to take good care of it, not having it turning green on you.That's the best apology I can come up with, friend Rizzo, when someone asks me to back off of something I meant and still mean.And I hope I didn't offend any handicapped or differently enabled people here by calling myself a cripple. I don't even walk with the cane any more. But they dug several pounds of necrotic tissue out of my leg. That's dead meat. Or, in my case, dead rotting infected fat. That's right, I was part DEAD, so when it comes to talking about Xombis, I knows my stuffs.
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Flocke flashes that smile?
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I would beg to differ that Lost is as bad as the haters are saying.Seriously, Friday Night Lights is better than Lost and has better writers? LOL!!!!!!!!
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I got the same impression you got on your second viewing. That Un-Locke gave her a kind of sideways knowing smirk but decided to let her come along anyway. Which, to me, is once again "what Kate does". She follows around the powerful men on the show messing shit up. However, in this case, it could be a good thing. Or, it could be she was allowed to tag along as a pawn to be used up later. I don't believe for one second that Kate was saved from angry temple ravaging Smokey because she jumped in the pit and hung on to the ladder. If Smokey wanted to "take her" he would have. Which means that, for whatever reason, he let her live.
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John Locke didn't smile that much, and this guy seems evil and loves to smile. It's that contrast
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A little bit, yeah. But I also think it's a display of him overplaying his confidence, and that might play into his eventual downfall. So I get the heebees, but I also get the, "oh you just wait, fucker!"
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well said sir. And its nice to be knee-deep into the stories, as opposed to last summer when you and I were just splitting hairs trying to guess what was going to come, no? :)
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I'd vote no on that one. My take on the looks exchanged was:NonLocke:"What are you doing here, you don't belong here"and Kate: "Holy crap, it's deadLocke, this is creepy, grab my gun."It was a kind of cornball "get to the choppa if you want to live" momentito, but I don't think everyone who chose to go with Team Smokey was changed or claimed. Specifically my heroine, Cindy. Given the choice "follow me to possible rescue off this island, or stay hear and DIE" and she stepped up to do what she's always done, and take care of Emma and Zach and look out for their welfare.Perhaps the perception of a "zombie look" from the "claimed" others was them responding with distrust to an armed woman they knew had been in their midst before and then lied to get away and not come back until she had no choice.
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so wtf do I know?
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Most definitely yes. :)
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Sayid in particular went from being angry and frustrated to having the same knowing smirk that Un-Locke has (I just like calling him Un-Locke - unlock, you see). But I also think you're right that all of them didn't have the look. For one thing, all of them didn't have a personal one-on-one with Un-Locke.
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I thought that might have been what happened, but a lot happened really fast in that last couple minutes. I think I'm going to re-watch the ep right now. Got nothing else pressing on the schedule.
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I don't see her as claimed. I think she simply didn't know what else to do and she sees Sayid and Claire who she used to trust going with Locke so she's hanging out there for now.
What I expect to happen is something like this: Claire try to attack Kate when they are a little ways away from the main group, and Kate in self defense kill Claire, and then Kate and Sawyer run off trying to find Jack and Hurley and stay alive. Who knows, but that's my best guess as of now.
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that Kate was following Locke because she had her mission to bring Claire back, not because said was claimed.
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all perplexed. He was trying to read her intentions.
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when Smokey was barreling through the Temple?
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Kate is probably thinking "what the hell is going on..focus...need to bring back Claire, so will stick with them where ever Claire is"
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So far have seen :
Door
Lost
Womb
Bomb
Tomb
Rock
Anything else, that people have a good explanation for and it fits the guidelines, i.e. doesn't contain A or E.
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I know he's at Claire's pad. But what's up with him just bein' all messed up leg guy stuck in the middle of nowhere? He and Sawyer are definitely still up in the air as far as wth is going on. I guess Ilana, Frank, Miles and Sun are too. It looks like we get some Ben answers next week, though. Where the hell was Sawyer this week, for that matter? Crap, I think I'm going to go re-watch the last few eps, actually. I need a Pop Tart first, though.
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Here's the thing: to me if it takes paragraphs to explain a character's arc, that's bad storytelling plain and simple. Jack was frustrated, then a leader, then a jerk, then a drunk, then a leader again, then lost, then a leader again, then he's angry, then he's... I don't even know what he is now. He's just a guy that does stuff. They've started playing up that he's "the one" with him staring off a cliff, so I assume that now he's "the one". Just random to me, as are most of the characters arcs. I think the problem is that it's just been so stretched out and filled up with filler episodes that it's impossible to tell what is a key marker in a character's journey. Like for Locke. What was his journey exactly? He's a prime example of a great character wasted, like Eko was. First he's a frustrated wandering spirit/old soul, then he's pushing a button, then he's a "believer", then he's not, then he's the future leader, then he's dead. There's no focus on any of these characters, just sequences of events. Even with a dense cast of characters there should be clearly defined character arcs that you can lay out in a sentence or two. There's a lot of characters in Star Wars, but within that cast there are main players who have clearly defined arcs. Perhaps it will be more evident once we hit the finale, but right now these characters are all over the place. Even if I can sort out an arc for one character (and you did a decent job arguing for Sawyer having one, I couldn't dig through all that filler to get to it myself), I have absolutely zero emotional attachment to them. It all feels like just part of the Plot rather than a real loss or gain. And to the person who said Lost has better writing than FNL, don't bother. There's no serious person on this planet that watches both shows (as I do) that would argue that. FNL has some of the best writing on TV and a really firm grasp on who it's characters are.
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You posted earlier "Yeah it does seem kind of weird to identify Claire as "the Australian chick" pointing out the odd lack of Ozzy survivors among the 44 who lived from a Sydney-LA trip."Then later on you said alot of complimentary things about Cindy Chandler, the flight attendant.While it's never been EXPLICITLY STATED that Cindy is Australian, Lostpedia says she "appears" to be from there. She definitely has an accent, which becomes more pronounced when they give her a longer speech than she usually gets, such as her first scene as a Temple Other this season.Kimberley Joseph, the actress who plays Cindy, was born in Vancouver but her parents moved to Queensland, Australia when she was 3. Other than LOST in the US and COLD FEET in the UK, almost all of her work as an actress and a hostess has been on Australian television.I think we can safely assume that Cindy, the true hero of Lost, is an Aussie.
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...ST: TOS and to the Lost In Space 4 note "anxiety and danger" piece!
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...is bug-fuckin' crazy yet, so that's pretty solid reasoning for why she would tag along. I was more surprised by Un-Lockes smirk and LACK of words for her, though. Was he surprised to see her, or did he expect her to be there? Was it just a happy coincidence, or part of a plan? I'm thinking happy coincidence that BECAME part of the plan (which is Kate as pawn).
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is supposed to be now, not just sitting on a rock.
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For Jack, of course. Jack and Un-Locke are clearly headed for some kind of showdown. Having Kate gives Un-Locke another piece to play with.
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the place souls wait for their opportunity to enter a body? If that place exists, why the hell didn't mine wait to pick a baby going to a family with Money?
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a few trolls, a few people (sadly like Herc) who post comments like they have never seen the other 5 seasons of this show and understand who the characters are, their issues, their history, a few people who probably don't have the attention span to sit through the season and can imagine that if someone asks if they read, they only refer to magazines and comics, a novel would be too much effort for them.
But thankfully a lot of great people as ever, a lot of theories and great discussions, people with a broad and diverse history, a thirst for knowledge, information and understanding, for broadening their view of the world and life.
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I don't really have any problems suspending disbelief enough to believe that he could realistically be all of the things listed above. Particularly when being repeatedly put into traumatic situations with a bunch of other broken human beings. We change, we change quickly, and not always for the better.
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like it from a view of souls or even from a source of all possibilities, source of life and existence
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Because people think this show has some serious problems they must be The Unenlightened, those that only read US magazine and have never picked up a novel. Fuck off. Seriously. There's a damn good chance that anyone that DOES read novels or knows good storytelling knows that Lost is a big clusterfuck of story and character. It's entertaining, there's a lot of good cliffhangers, but if you are seriously under the impression that Lost is fantastic writing and Great Art that is lost on the Philistines YOU are the one that needs to broaden their horizons my friend. Lost is pulpy fun, and it's not particularly well written. I enjoy watching it, but I can be HONEST and state without hesitation that it's not even in the top 5 of shows I watch in terms of writing or story quality. Had they done it in 3 seasons instead of 5 and cut out massive amounts of fat (let's walk over to this part of the island, let's walk over here, I'm leaving the camp, I'm coming with you, now I'm headed back to the camp, I'm staying here, ad infinitum) and really focused on the story they were telling and on the characters arcs it would have been a MUCH better show instead of being passable entertainment.
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He's a douchebag.By the way, did anyone else chuckle over the fact that NonLocke's manboobs are biger than CrazyClaimedClaire's tits? Vikki's are like Hurley's except the left one is bigger than the right one.For the record, Nice Day Comix publisher and Jump The Shark Yahoo! group co-moderator Randall Hugh Crawford has frequently explained that his Napoleon Park identity was his porn star formula name; the name of his first cat (named after The Man from UNCLE, not the French pastry guy) and the street he grew up on.Vikki Marsdale was a kitten that moved in through a hole in the roof during some major household repairs last winter. Sadly, because proper veterinary case was not financially available, she passed away the following summer.VikkiMarsdale is also the name of NapoleonPark's pet in the facebook Pet society app. Napoleon/Park has no plans to acquire any further pets since he cannot afford to care for them. "Too many graves", he says.See, he's named himself after a series of dead cats, and I'm just anotherdeadkitten. Any of this shooting a flaregun down your trousers yet?
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u know... just the overall knee jerk, know-it-all, dimwited asshat. Plus, he actually fuking likes...no...APPRECIATES lostBRICKTAMLANDtexass! THAT SAYS IT ALL BROTHA....
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"Had they done it in 3 seasons instead of 5 and cut out massive amounts of fat (let's walk over to this part of the island, let's walk over here, I'm leaving the camp, I'm coming with you, now I'm headed back to the camp, I'm staying here, ad infinitum) and really focused on the story they were telling and on the characters arcs it would have been a MUCH better show instead of being passable entertainment." Clearly you don't understand how network television works.
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Yes, he's a broken human being. But this not Charles Bukowski. You don't need random sequences of events and mindless character shifts to tell this story. You need that to pad the beginning and the end with filler. To me that's what I see when I look at these characters.
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its so very obvious now. simmer down Step...simmer down...dont want u to get all hot and bothered sweety....
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"Clearly you don't understand how network television works."
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That's cool.
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If Cindy the Oceanic Flight Attendant really does have one of those sexy Olivia Neutron Bomb accents then I think I love her even twice as much as I did before. (and I like her and think she's pretty and nice and a wanna be her douchenozzle too.) I wasn't sure if "thank you very much" would have too much of an Andy Kaufman foreign man "thenkyoueddymuch" vibe but it's hard to be sincere on the internets some times; no underline or italics and allcaps just screams sarcasm. So, sincerely, thanks for the info.
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hes just mad there's not a Heroes TB he can try to defend. man, hes so much better than us its surprising he actually stoops to our tb level to respond.... i think he has the multiple tb handle too lol. its jimmy_009...the bitching is almost identicle...
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"Darth, I am your father..."
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a lot of words for someone who clearly doesn't care so much.
I watch and enjoy Supernatural too, its a fun show, but for me on a very different scale than Lost.
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My pornstar name would sound as feminie as well "Minty Devon"
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that got his throat cut by Sayed
He might make a good Mark Medows
If anyone ever has the good sense to do a Wild Cards series
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The Constant was one the best Lost episodes EVA BROTHA...
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in what way do you have a LOT invested in this show?
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up at 11:04. "Whats this four letter word thing?"4we8, the riddle going around is "The Island is a... (four letter word with one vowel, NOT an A or E)I don't remember where the riddle originally came from, which I assume is the main component of tour question? Anyone here tonight remember? Anyone wanna wade through the first couple hundred posts here to try to find it? I'm not even sure which TB it started in.Anyway, as usual, some people ignore the rules and some look for loopholes. Someone said Gaol (jail) which I'm sure has two vowels, one of which is A. MacFAux argued it could be multiple instances of one single vowel and his guess was Door, but I think he was drunk. Best guesses so far includes Tomb and womb. I keep saying it's a Rock (Paul Simon: I am a rock, I am an Island) but you know I tend not to take these things quite as seriously as some folks here.Sorry that only answers part of your inquiry. C'mon, folks, where'd this thing get started?
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for answering my question. but... i do feel slightly creepy and i get that "big brother" vibe off of u looking up my first comment lol. i pose this question to u... was i wearing boxers or briefs when i was typing it hmmm? i bet 'ol Stepdad would like too know...
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don't think she is aging amazingly well, but certainly not aging as bad as Britney or the girl who plays Kim Bauer.
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I a SO calling you Minty from now on.
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The people "defending" this show are being insulting and childish. You didn't even read anything I've written. I said in terms of writing it's not in my top 5 shows that I watch. How does that translate to "I don't care?" Out of the 20,000 shows on TV I watch Lost. It's one of 7-8 shows I watch regularly. That says something doesn't it? I can sit here and talk about anything from day one until the very last episode. That says something doesn't it? But it's just easier for you and people like you to call people that are frustrated with this thing they watch every week "haters" or anyone that doesn't think it's the most glorious piece of fiction ever must be stupid philistines. Yeah, I'm frustrated with the show, I'm sure you wish you didn't have to hear about it, I know I didn't when I was defending Lost to the four or five friends I've had that have dropped off the show completely in the past few seasons.
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What is the best theory on what those two were doing whilst Smokey and Claire attacked the temple.
Jin, probably not a lot given how his leg looked, but will Smokey be able to heal him, or will the island heal him ?
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i LOVE me some Elisha Cuthbert... FAUX--as the great Cal Naughton would say...MMMMM EMMMMM!! shes like a tractor beam of hottness!!!
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The fact that it would take paragraphs to describe each of the main characters on LOST rather than reducing them to a sentence or two, demonstrates WHY it's such a great show. If they could be reduced to "The Leader" or "The Con Man" or the "Funny Fat Guy", THAT would be lousy writing.Could you describe Tony Soprano's character arc in a sentence or two? How many paragraphs would it take to cover Vic Mackey? Andy Sipowicz would take pages. If you could turn on THE WIRE or DEADWOOD and know exactly how each of those characters were going to react to a given scenario and where each of them would be by the Series Finale: What would be the point of WATCHING?That's how good the writing on LOST is.
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and back to my normal non-Lost auto auction life tomm. Jaka would be SO pround of me....
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That showed Ben and his group actually arriving at the temple during the big finale? It was kind of awkward how they were just suddenly there with no establishing shot of them arriving. They weren't even in the show up until that point, then suddenly there there's bad-ass mystery woman and the pilot. Kind of jolt, but then a scene or two later here's Ben! Seems like one shot of that group arriving at the temple would have done wonders in making that seem less out of the blue.
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good points my man! and NOW of too bed...
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You are WRONG. Ask any writer, if you can't describe your character in a few sentences, you are NOT telling your story right. Now to describe what HAPPENS to this character, that will take paragraphs, pages, chapters even. But if you can't tell me WHO this character is and what his story arc is in a few sentences then your character is poorly written. It's storytelling 101. What is your characters weakness, what is his goal, how does he change during the course of the story etc? THAT'S the core of a character, not a giant list of things that the character does.
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maybe Kimberly Joseph is aging fast or badly, maybe she's just playing a character who's been an Other for three years now.I'm not kneejerk defending her from a minor perceived slight. Fact is, I like a woman with a bit of character and maturity in her lines.It's all relativity, though I remember when I was 18 and I thought a woman of 20 was mature and adult. Looking back from 57, all teenagers are children, all people in their '20s are teenagers, people in their '30s are barely adult and forty is when folks start to act like grown-ups. Well, some folks: I ain't never grownin' up.I still have my VHS copy of Educating Nina from 1984 and I have some Nina Hartley clips on my harddrive I D/L'd last month and she still looks hot.Yeah, I'd douche crazyclaimedClaire for being a cutie pie babyface, but the women on TV that get me going are most;y the near-or-over 40 crowd: Lisa Edelstein, Paget Brewster, Melina Kanakaredes, Kim Raver, Amy Brenneman. Please don't look up their ages to prove me wrong. Point is, its like generic anime, all them little girls on the CW look alike to me. Woman needs a few character lines to get sexy.Maybe that's why I was never into all the Shannon AnaLucia Kate and pre-crazed Claire types on Lost: too young for me. Charlotte, Penny, Juliet, totally child-like. Rose, maybe, Hurley's mom, maybe not; Mrs Klugh, probably. Danielle Rousseau: now that's crazy sexy.
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I commented that there are people on here who are just out and out trolls, attention seeking, people here with comments and used Herc as an example and I wonder what show they have been watching for the last 5 seasons, and I think some people on here want all the answers and really thats what its about for them.
I think everyone has a right to have an opinion and be critical, think people need to in general be more critical of things in life and not so accepting.
I wasn't overjoyed by the Kate episode I didn't think it was written particularly well, and didn't like the flow. I enjoyed it much more on second viewing though. I have said a few times that I think for many people (including myself of course) they will enjoy it in a very different way once they rewatch the series post May and for some people they will probably start enjoying it. Not waiting for answers, but enjoying the story, the characters and taking it all in. -
persons who disagree with that assessment may have a differing opinion.By the way, Derek Flint kicked your arse. No, wait, that was triple-oh-eight. Never mind.
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..or the user on here with the callsign Dhaemon posted it. If I understand, it is a hangman riddle offered up by Kristin from E or somethin.
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Forgive me, I'm tired, but when Kate is in the hole, hiding with Claire, and the Smokie does a flyover, I seem to recall seeing forms in it like bodies and hearing screams- not from the slaughtered Others... Hmmm. Is there a mythical link to a monster who can ensnare you just by speaking to you???
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I am 31, married to a girl/woman who is 6 years older than me, but looks two years younger than me. I can definetely appreciate girls/women of all ages, whether its an 18 year old wearing tight (very tight) shorts or my friend's mum in that well fitting sun dress.
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...cork. Beats me as to what it means, but the big Lost spoiler site posted a picture of a champagne bottle popping around New Year's. We were told that the picture was a clue to understanding what the island is.
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http://tinyurl.com/yalkgk5
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Link was posted above, basically it shows the early "leaked" ABC promo and another one I haven't seen with Alt-Ben interacting with a classroom. There's also a link to SPOILERY pics from the next episode. Soon as I saw one character actor, I suspect Alt-Ben is in for an bum-reaming because as far as I can recall, that guy always plays an a-hole out to make somebody's day suck. Looks like we'll also get morsels on Richard Alpert and IslandBen get's pwnd by Illana(?)?
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Did you ever watch NYPD BLUE? Describe Andy Sipowicz in a couple of sentences. Explain who he is & how he went from the alcoholic racist homophobic fuckup who got shot while banging a hooker to who he was and who his friends were by the time the series ended. And How and Why he got there. In a sentence or two.It can't be done. And if it could be done, he wouldn't be Andy Sipowicz. He'd just be some run of the mill paint by numbers cop you could stick into any police procedural.I ENJOY the fact that I have NO FUCKING IDEA what Jack or Kate or Sawyer or multiple other characters are going to do for the next few months on LOST. Wouldn't even TRY to PREDICT how they'll behave. If I could reduce any of them to a character synopsis of a couple sentences I would have quit watching years ago. To paraphrase our dear departed John Hughes, each one of them is a brain, a jock, a basket case, a princess, AND a criminal. Hahahaha!
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It's exhausting reading folks argue when they refuse to consider or ever comprehend the others point of view.Cymbalta has come up with some good stuff here and I'd like to say, as Pa said, "I agree... also".However: 009 said "if you can't describe your character in a few sentences, you are NOT telling your story right. Now to describe what HAPPENS to this character, that will take paragraphs, pages, chapters even..." and Cymbalta retorted with his "Andy Sipowicz is a complex character" argument. WellAndy Sipowicz was a complex character, a deeply flawed sexist, racist, homophobic corrupt cop whose character was redeemed over the course of a lengthy TV series as his eyes were opened and his views enlightened through contact with the people he met and worked with and the friends he made.That's one sentence, albeit a run-on. and sure, there's more to describe, but you don't need to know every single thing that happened to him over the course of that series any more than we need to know the origin of Jack's Party of Five tattoo.You can describe Superman, alias Clark Kent (Kryptonian name Kal-El) as the man of steel, the last survivor of the exploded planet Krypton who came to Earth as an infant and was raised by human parents, who fights for truth, justice and The American Way and has taken a vow to never take a human life. And add a sentence or two and you can list his super-powers, weaknesses and associate and principal enemies. That may exceed your arbitrary two sentence rule, but on the other hand, you don't need to provide a synopsis of 73 years of Superman and Action comics, explain how he exiled himself from human contact for a while after killing some Kryptonian Phantom Zone villains who couldn't otherwise be stopped, explain the rules of Bizarro society and recap the Death of Superman story line. Those are stories about the character, not things needed in a description of the character.With all the shouting, I've quite forgotten who I think are the good guys and bad guys in this talkback. But, Cym, in this one instance, I don't think you grasped what 009 was saying. Or that's how it looked from my perch. But if my perch was always right he'd still be climbing the fishladder in the Grand.
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I thought I saw a number on the baseball when Dogen was talking to Sayid.
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In principle, I agree with you. Healthy, respectable debate shouldn't be discouraged, particularly when a show so clearly invites it. However, for many of us who find that the show's not nearly as messy as you claim, it can get tiresome to defend it. I mean, when you have to defend a show you love from OTHER PEOPLE WHO LOVE IT, that's... well, it's incredibly wearying. Expressing frustration at the show is understandable and you shouldn't be attacked for it. But you should also understand, being yourself frustrated, that those of us who have no problem with the show right now are just as frustrated with all of what many of us see as complaining.
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This show is like a sore tooth - I can't stop touching it.It pains me to watch Lost each week, but damned if I can't stop watching it.There are two camps of viewers who have watched every episode so far:1) those who feel obliged to see the series through to the end despite it's ever-declining entertainment value2) those who can't stand the thought that all their viewing hours have been in vain and defend the show to no end despite it's ever-declining entertainment value.Jimmy009's points are perfectly valid, and there are many Lost devotees who share his opinions of the show. The plot has been utterly contrived since season 3, and I see little hope of the series being wrapped up, or left open, in any truly satisfying way for those of us that have stayed with it for the long haul. Come May, may what I've said here be put to shame, but until then, I fear each Tuesday is going to be just another irresistible urge to touch that....owwwwwww.
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Jesus cleared the temple, too. Locke (unLocke?) is in the JC position on the Last Supper poster, while Jack stands in for Judas. Dogen told Sayid that his machine measured a man's capacity for good or evil and that Sayid "went the wrong way," but he didn't say which way that was. I think they are laying it on way too heavy, and heading for a big old reversal. Good night.
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I completely got what 009 was saying. I have no problem with it in theory. But he seems to think the characters on LOST should each have a few recognizable character traits, some easily described strengths and weaknesses, and a clear goal that they never deviate from. Maybe you could describe Superman or Indiana Jones that way. I don't think LOST is like that. I don't think ANY believably human character is like that. It's the difference between writing pulp fiction and writing PULP FICTION. And if you substituted Andy Sipowicz for Jack in 009's assessment it would actually be a pretty good description of Andy. He was a drunk and a jerk and angry and frustrated and lost too. He was also a leader. And so is Jack. He's also "just a guy who does stuff."Aren't we all?
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3) Those who have watched all of the episodes and have dearly loved pretty much every single minute of it. They rewatch previous season every break and talk about it to keep talkbacks going. They search the internet for anything Lost and listen to Darlton's Podcasts. They have enjoyed the journey of Lost and have faith that things will tie up nicely even if not every one of their questions are answered.
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Dogen's explanation for why he didn't just kill Sayid himself was a little lame - actually his whole character turned out to be quite definitive... lame...
oh well whatever nevermind
and the battle lines are drawn!
except in typical Lost fashion it's still just a little tiny bit ambiguous which side of that line Kate has decided to... you know.. be on
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I don't watch "despite" anything and in fact feel that the entertainment value is consistent, if not increasing. Just enough answers to keep me satisfied (I was never a big "gotta know what X means!" guy) and tons of great character-centric stuff.
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3rd Group. yellow.red.black.white.
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"Seems like one shot of that group arriving at the temple would have done wonders in making that seem less out of the blue" Its for that exact purpose, of coming out of the blue, that it as done tha way. Think of Gandalf appearing on the mountain at the end of TTT.
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The calvery has arrived!
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Many say they hate the show, but can't stop watching. I love the show, and can't stop watching. I win.
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I had a tooth ache and a dentist killed the nerve and filled it and it was fine for three days and then cracked. Life went on and a year later I was used to it but had to use a toothpick to clean out any lettuce, corn, meat etc. stuck in it. One evening I was prying at it and 'crack' John Locke's black rock and white rock came out of my mouth. The white rock was a chunk of tooth, the black rock was the filling. Still no pai, but the hardest part of the human body is the tooth enamel and I have the ancient ruins of a hollow tooth poking up there and, yeah, it's pretty hard to keep my tongue away from it.That delightful tale aside, there are more than two camps, both of whom hinge on the show declining in entertainment value.I've said that I was happy season one when the show was a Night Gallery type anthology of character studies told in flashback form withint he Island story as a framing device. However, if Lost had simply introduced the 44 survivors of Flight 815 and filled in their tales leading u to the plane crash, then ended with "and then they all died and went to Purgatory", that would not have been a great series, though it might have been 88 individual great episodes.I LOVED "Expose" and "Ji Yeon" (or whatever that kid's name is) as the series rare stand-alone, twist ending stories. EC Comics, Twilight Zone. many fans hate those episodes.Many fans LOVED "The Constant" - but it was the first Lost episode to feature a major science fiction/time travel element and I was not fond of it.Not every episode has had a cliffhanger ending on every commercial break. Not every episode had had a major revelation, surprise, shock or total WTF - "did you see that!" moment. Some have had many. Not every episode has been the equal of every other episode.Seasons one and two, Losties and Tailies, were character driven. Three gave us Ben Linus and the Others, four the Science Team from the Freighter and the Mercs, five the return of the Oceanic Six. It's been a new game and a new show every season and that shakes some people who feel "this is not now giving me what I enjoyed last year.I might have enjoyed a character driven drama told in flashbacks. but LOST could not have answered the questions and mysteries t raised in it's early years it had not evolved into what it is now.And every time I read people griping about the 6-episode mini-arc at the start of year 3, I remind myself that, personally, I would watch a year or two of a series about attractive and sexually active young people being held captive in metal cages by cruel tormentors, but then I;m into BDSM, so maybe that's not something that would appeal to a wider audience. I'm just glad they gave us those six.Every week, it takes a couple days for the talkback to settle down to quiet discussion of the show following the influx of impatient trolls and those persons who simply find the show less entertaining than they used to. Some of whom enthusiastically inform of us of that fact in less than diplomatic terms.But neither of us speak for all people. There are those of us who simply have enjoyed the ride and continued to be entertained - some weeks more than others, this weeks action-packed thrill-ride as opposed to last weeks after school special a case in point. Some observers enjoyed both equally, I clearly preferred one over the other.Unlike some protectors of the gates, I have not abused you or insulted you or your taste in entertainment.I have not called you a troll, but I would suggest that your argument: "Lost fans either think it's getting worse or in denial and defending it because it's getting worse" are the tactics of a troll. Do not do that. You do not speak for all of humanity. Do not support your personal opinions with false claims of universality. Not for you.
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Sawyer is going to be the one that kills him....Maybe then you all will shut the fuck up about that cold blooded killing,lady conning, tree frog killing ass hole.He was pretty easly conned by Ben with the white rabbit, he is not as smart as you think.
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I am definetely in category 3
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I've often admitted that I didn't like that fan-favorite episode because it was the point where Lost turned from character driven drama with mysteries that MIGHT have been solvable within the realms of known and accepted science to a time travel/science fiction series.Now that there's no question about it and we've had a year of time travel and this current season of mythology and... well, whether the Darlton like it or not, I still tend to think in terms of "alternate reality" simply because I still don't know whee they're going with the 2004 LA X storyline... But anyway, not that LOST clearly IS sci-fi/fantasy and no way to deny or resist it, then maybe I'd be lest harsh in my assessment of The Constant.I still don't think Dez and Panny will ever be my favorite characters, and I simply hate Charles Widmore... but I guess I'm supposed to, so that's all right, then, in't it?
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I admit that at this point I don't really understand what the writers are doing with the LA X storyline. But a troll insists that the writers don't either.Also they swear, namecall, use heteronormative vulgarities and abuse the use of allcaps. I didn't mean to suggest there was only one difference. 8)
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Im assuming that your talking about the phone scene. Me too!
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The point where Lost turned from character driven drama with mysteries that MIGHT have been ''solvable within the realms of known and accepted science''
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The moment Jack ran out of that jungle and we got a POV of the aircraft wreckage. Aircraft don't break in three, go ass over tit, and leave anyone walkin around to talk about it.
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Ohio Bob answered the riddle. And if it appeared in print or online, text accompanied by an illustrated "clue" than I don't think describing the illustration/clue in any ways qualifies as a spoiler.Someone cool up some ways described - well, let's call it Lost Island, if Tarawat Island isn't catching on - as comparable to the swamp in the Marvel comic book Man-thing, which was described as "the Nexus of all realities". Really, a Hurley Bird is only a few steps reined in from a cigar-chomping duck. (That was Howard, for those of you who missed the spin-off comic with the greatest title of any comic ever, "Giant Sized man-Thing".)A Cork. Sure. Isle of Lost as a drain with a plug to prevent the two... I still don't have a better word than "alternate" - versions of our characters realities from swirling together.Lonniebeale, no one here is going to STFU on your (or my) say so. However, a year or two ago I wrote a Lost fan fiction in which the tale's writer had a view of James Ford very similar to yours, largely but not entirely based on witnessing him scavenging for prescriptions, meds, books and anything else he thought might be of resalable value from the corpses and their luggage strewn across the beach in the period immediately following the crash.However, does everyone on this show need to get killed by someone else? It's a dangerous island, how is it that no one's ever perished in an accident? IF Hugo Reyes meets his demise before the series finale, I wouldn't mind seeing it occur from a heart attack or stroke while he's running through the jungle at top speed in a way I know I would not be capable of.I am NOT rooting for Kill Hurley, nor are my comments intended as a crude "fat joke"; merely a recognition of the reality of a character that exerts himself beyond what his apparent physical abilities and stamina might suggest.Or maybe I'm just lazy.
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as being the point where the show truly went all time-travel and sci-fi. Uh...did y'all miss 3x08 "Flashes Before Your Eyes"?
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"how is it that no one's ever perished in an accident?" Seeing that posted, I realize that since Lost is Fiction, any "accidents" that occur will appear to be the writers contrivances. On a show that thrives on coincidence. [sentence fragment. Do you wish to change it? click Ignore]Still, other than that early random polar bear charge that killed no one, it seems Lost, though incredibly dangerous thanks to the hostilities of the various hostile tribes, mercenaries, madwomen and smoke monster(s), is, conversely and contrariwise, a surprisingly safe haven where no one falls off cliffs or into ravines and victims of boat and plane crashes and helicopter drops tend to survive against all odds, and the only natural threat the wilderness poses are bags of rocks hanging from trees and attached to trip wires.Hey, speaking of the old days, now that we've seen Smokey up close and personal, do you ever think we'll get another long distance view of him seen from afar, just shaking the trees and roaring?I do like the idea that seen from below while in full action mode he is seem to be full of people. What a bizarre weapon/demon; something that just grabs folks up and takes them for a high speed drag.
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completely and totally wrong. LOST turned into a scifi time travel show more than a season earlier in "Flashes Before Your Eyes".
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Where I said "victims of boat and plane crashes and helicopter drops tend to survive against all odds" even as I wrote it I knew that NOT ALL plane crash victims survive on this show. An entire fuselage of them were given a viking funeral.Yeah, FauxieLady, even the 44 who survived - does that include the Tailies? - were unrealistic. But I'm certain in my lifetime I've heard examples of folks who did survive plane crashes. And not just in New York rivers. I'm thinking of "plane crash survivors stranded in mountains turn to cannibalism" type tales. Okay, not Buddy or Patsy or John D. or that other other guy Jim...
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Two short posts with the same information: does the B in JonjonB stand for Billboe?I've never participated in the legendary summer long Lostbacks so I may not recall every detail of every episode or every episode title. "Flashes..." not ringing a bell, but I'll take both your words for it.My point though, was that the sci-fi time travel element was why I did not like the Constant as much as everyone else here at the time seemed to. I may have been incorrect in citing that as the point where Lost turned to time travel, but I know what I liked or didn't like and why, so what I posted about my feeling towards the Constant were not "completely and totally wrong" I know what I felt.So, what was "...before your eyes" about?
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Actually what I think it was. Back when both Eko had his staredown with Smokey and when Ben had his judgement moments from their lives were projected on Smokey. My guess is those images of people were smokey reading his victems lives.
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Two things can stop Smokey - ash and the sonic fence. I'd bet they (whoever of our Losties on the "right side") will lure him into some sonic trap - or maybe kill him with it, or just "Excorcist" him. Maybe his true followers also. We saw, how Mikhail survived that procedure... so it might be possible for Sayid and Claire to prevail!
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"Two short posts with the same information: does the B in JonjonB stand for Billboe?"
You will forever be a massive tool in my eyes thanks to this ridiculous implication. Is it really so difficult to comprehend that maybe more than one person could spot that you didn't have a clue what you were talking about? I also liked:
"I've never participated in the legendary summer long Lostbacks so I may not recall every detail of every episode or every episode title."
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When Desmond turned the key in the Swan Hatch and it blew up Desmond's Consciousness traveled back to the past when he was dating Penny pre-island. Eloise Hawkings showed up for the first time and a lot of the time travel rules were explained by her to Des.
And actually Time Travel was set up earlyer then that. In season 2 (I think) Hurley and Sayid were listening to music on the beach (Hurley was trying to console Sayid about Shannon's death) and there we a comment about how the music could be bouncing off from anywhere or anytime. That was Darlton hinting that they were eventually going to go down the time travel route. -
Actually the problem wasn't that I had forgotten Flashes Before Your Eyes, it was that I misremembered the title wrong. FBYE was the episode I didn't like, the one that featured time travel, the Desmond-centric episode. Very popular at the time, I was unenthusiastic for the reasons I've already gone over. The episode where Dez gets "unstuck in time" Billy Pilgrim style and we first see Eloise Hawking.Conversely, he said while wearing sneakers adorned with embossed stars, I liked Yi Jeon and Expose, which quite a lot of people seemed to detest. Don't recall having strong feelings about the Jack's Party of Five tattoo episode one way of the other. Don't think "What Kate Does" is worst episode ever, but it's on the list.And The Constant, a huge crowd pleaser, was something of a sequel to "Flashes..." except this time with the Freighter being one of the spots Dez's consciousness travels to or from. I suppose I liked Constant a bit more than Flashes, but neither was a fave of mine and I never ought into the sediment that Lost was "all about the Desmond and Penny 'ship" or her pops and his ship either. I do think I'd side with those who've suggest that Dex and Panny already got their happy ending and dragging them back into the thick of matters wold only tend to muck that up a bit for them. but they did seem to make a bit of a deal about Charlie W. and his relationship with Benjamin, so I suppose we'll need to learn a bit about him before all this is over.
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[snicker]N, I got the episode right, I forgot the title (see above) - not exactly the same as not having a clue of what I'm talking about.And another error of terminology leading to a miscommuncation: I have participated in most of these talkbacks except for extended periods when I was banned, and including the year long post-season finale talkbacks - until the load time gets up over a couple of minutes, at least. No, what I have refrained from participating in were the organized WATCHBACKS in which the dedicated fans here spent the between season hiatus reviewing and discussing the entire series from the Pilot on. If I did that - or if I had the DVDs - I'd no doubt be more familiar with the specific episode titles.I will modestly decline the inappropriate compliment, but I assure you the tool in question is in no way massive: perhaps if you'd remove it from your eye you'd gain a clearer perspective.Scroll up for various discussions of forum members with multiple sign-in IDs. I assure you that comparing your one sentence post in which you identified Flashes Before Your Eyes by title to Mr. Boe's one sentence post in which he identified Flashes Before Your Eyes by title was in no way intended to denigrate either of you: I do not know either of you well enough to have any thoughts as to which of you should be insulted by the comparison, if either - and I see no reason for either.
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Your helpful input is appreciated. although I did have time to look up the episodes in question on Lostpedia, write a for me brief reply, have my computer go wonky, need to shut down manually, allow to cool, open several days worth of junk mail, reboot and edit my reply. Hardly worth the effort to chat with someone who thinks I'm a tool but hey, it's late at night - or early in the morning in some time zones, and I hate to leave a thought dangling.
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In the season one episode Solitary when Sayid asks Danielle what her science team was studying the script originally said time. The guy who wrote it said as much in an interview, but they took it out so as not to box themselves in too early and leave the fans to speculate about science/magic.
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Let's have a real discussion (not an argument), somebody talk me down, cause I'm not feelin it for this show right now. But use examples, and such, don't just say "Read a book", or "It's so great". Why does this show work for you? What about the writing works?
For me, Lost is always at least one step behind the viewer. I don't mean just the "answers", each episode arc is told one step behind.
For example, it's like you went to the store, and came home carrying grocery bags into the house. Your family stands there looking at you when you get home. You say, "I went somewhere today..." They just look at the bags. You say, "I went somewhere, and bought some things today..." They still just look at you. "Later, I will tell you where I went today, and what it means for us..." They ask, "Can we just put the groceries away already?"
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Right there in the pilot that bit with the French Woman and the radio signal that's been playing on a loop for fifteen years is foreshadowing an interest in time, surely. I agree with MacFaux about the plane crash, but only to a point. I think we had to accept that as the premise of the show and keep an open mind about where it went from there. The ambiguity between science and magic was well played wasn't it. But really, even though there were plausible explanations, they mounted up too quickly. Jack could have been fatigued or suffering traumatic stress and grief when he thought he saw his recently deceased dad. Locke could have had a psychosomatic disorder and the shock to the system and needed to survive in strange circumstances jolted him out of it. Charlie might just not really have been dead when Jack revived him. The hallucinations could just have been wacky jungle paste. The plane really did just go miles of course and crash. Lots of stuff like that. Except come on, what happened to the pilot to impale him in that tree? By the time we're seeing more ghosts and that black smoke it was getting pretty hard to stay in the rational explanation for everything camp. It's interesting that we're full circle now. The flash sideways in them selves are far fetched just because we come to them aware of the island story. But taken on their own, have we seen anything remotely magical in them? It will be interesting to see how that theme bleeds back into that part of the story, if it does.
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I always thought that bit about time travel in the script with Danielle was taken out because of the network. I thought I remembered hearing that they had time travel in the script, and the network had them take it out.
As if when the show was still new, and the network was still trying to exert its control over what they wanted for the show, and they just didn't want the show to be about time travel at that point early on. Later, the show takes off and comes into its on (I know it was already popular at that point anyway), the producers get more street cred, the show gets more weird, and by then the network says, "Well, by now you know what you're doing. We trust you. Do what you want at this point."
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You didn't get the episode right, you are clearly now just backpedaling (poorly). And despite your wafflings, you're still a massive tool for thinking that two people were really one person, just because they both happened to spot that you were talking crap. If that was how things worked, pretty much every account on this talkback would just be the same one guy.
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glad its over, i would like to believe that i had something to do with it...dont tell
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No, JJB, as I explained quite succinctly I got the episode right, I got the title wrong, the one you and BF mentioned was the episode I didn't care for, the Dez unstuck in time ep introducing Ms. Hawking. Right episode, wrong title, I named the sequel. I'm pretty sure there's more than a couple of guys here who have more than one log-in account. I don't see why you'd consider that an insult or dwell on it as much as you exaggerate the size of my diminuitive tool.But now that I know which of you just came here to insult people and pick fights with strangers who've never heard of you before, I really do feel as thought I should apologize.Billboe Fett, I'm deeply sorry I inquired if you and this person were one and the same. Forgive me.But I do like your user name, JJ: a twin homage to JFK's kid John-John (who Mac will remind me did not survive his plane crash) and the Genie in a Box from Pee-Wee's Playhouse, Jombi. Very cool.
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I still think something is going on where the "alt timeline" is actually the original, proper timeline - never before seen - and it will result somehow in the one we're used to being created. It actually IS a flashback.
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Seriously, dude? You were only able to go like 15 posts before you went back to calling people gay as the greatest insult ever? Okay. I will start again. And I'll get to you again.
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Preview indicates Ben seems to be digging up Locke or other bodies. Maybe they intend to burn bodies to collect more ash to try to protect themselves?? If so, they better load up on weapons too. The zombie army cometh.
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I don't think the show is designed by geniuses. Some of the audience spends a lot of time and energy trying to "figure it out". It's just a TV show, not one of the great unsolved mysteries. If someone really wants to spend the time, yes they can be one step ahead of the show. I don't think that's a fault of the show, though. You can only ask so much.
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The Alt-timeline is dated 1 month before the plane crash date (claire's ultra-sound date vs. date of the crash as discussed at the end of season 2). So maybe you're right--but events/factoids about alt-timeline are definitely not supporting this.
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I'm pretty sure that's been confirmed. And it was one month AFTER the original plane crash, not before. The sonogram said octoboer 22 2004. It was a mistake and means nothing not. It also could have been the expected date of birth, seein as Claire is 8 months pregnant. Don't read into that, it matters not
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is the fact that Desmond caused the Oceanic crash. This fact negates all this Jacob/destiny bullshit.
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In what way?
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How could that negate anything?
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It's not like Jacob was gonna fly up and rip the plane into three pieces himself. Something brought the black rock to the island, and I doubt it was just "Jacobs will". Also, something brought the frennch expedition to the island as well, a signal or something rousseau said. Not a signal Jacob set himself. There are other people on the island, and they are used to help bring newbies in. I don't think thats a worthy complaint Akkosa.
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Stop watching the show. Personally I love great writing. People who hate Lost hate Alias as well. Both are better than anything on tv even the weakest episodes are better than 99 percent of shows out there.
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My brother had all the DVDs, and I've tried like three times now, but since it was already over when I tried, and there are always so many other shows on tv, I always struggled to continue watching it. Is it really that awesome? Also, keep in my mind I, unfortunately, saw some of the final episode with my bro, and know what happens to Sloane in the end, etc. Should I give it one more go to get through it all even though I know how his story ends? I don't know the details around it of course...just where he ends up.
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According to Comcast's blurb about next weeks episode, Mr. Charles Widmore finally returns. It's a ben episode, and of course, if ben gets a flashsideways (which would be weird since we saw him as a teacher already...what do you think? Will he get one still?) it could be that Widmore shows up there...but I really hope he reaches the island already damnit. This is also how I learned Keamy would be back this past week, so i think we can trust it that he will be in next weeks episode. Flashsideways or not, that is GREAT fucking news. I can not wait for that shit. This is what we've been waiting for, no?
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Alex and Leslie Artz will both be back. Ben is gonna be talking to some dead people seems to me. Unless, of course, Ben has Alex in the alt-reality where is a teacher...which would be incredibly strange. It would mean he still went to the island, became leader, stole alex from rousseau....then left the island and became a teacher? This should be very interesting to see how those three people come into play. Wow.
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far for me, even before smokey unleashed in the temple id have been happy. Loved the flash sideways aswell for once, i felt tense during alot of the episode which hasnt happened for a while
im hoping a screencap gets posted of smokey travelling over the clare pit, cus there was definately something in it. someone mentioned it was a person, so wondering if they can be identified? probably not knowing lost.
Loved the fact that Sayid couldnt contain his rage on island or off it, infected or not. So was on island sayid sufficiently infected for him to be effected to kill Dogen? or was it a reaction to him thinking Dogen tried to kill him twice already.
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For me it's the air drops of food and drink. If the island is so hard to find, how were supply planes finding it regularly and where were they coming from? I can deal without answers to a lot of minor things, including adam and eve, but this is a major thing.
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Adam and Eve will be addressed (FFS, it's just Bernard and Rose).
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He is still the big question in my mind. Ive had an easier time wrapping my head around last seasons time skipping and this seasons alterverse than Ive had figuring out whats up with Des.
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He's here too? What's his new name? Damn you guys changing things up on me. And I'm still not sure if Nappy Park is VikkiMarsdale or anotherdeadkitten or both.
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...that was a lousy episode. Alright, maybe luke-warm at best. And I'm not a LOST troll; I've been with the show since the very beginning. But I have to say that this final season has really disappointed me so far. And after watching this latest ep on Hulu, I can regretfully say that I'm getting a wayward BSG final season-vibe here.Not only was this episode poorly directed but it was utterly predictable. Excluding the well done fight between Sayid and Dogen (something that really served no purpose other than to provide some action) I'm stymied that so many of you found Sayid's actions to be "bad ass". I found them to be completely telegraphed and not the least bit surprising. As such, I found this ep to be completely void of any tension and it seemed to serve as nothing more than a surface excuse to place Sayid on Smokie's side...which is something we could already see from a mile away. So much for Sayid's big decision/choice.And at this point in the show, I'm no longer impressed or intrigued with the image of Smokie killing people. I just want to know who and what the bastard is because the whole Jacob/Smokie storyline is really starting to drag.One thing I did find interesting: Dogen mentioned that each person is a scale. I kinda perked up at the mention of this because in last week's Talkback, I believe I mentioned a theory that the Island is a "scale" - a place where a balance must be maintained...for the fate of the world or some shit. It's just an idea I had but I was surprised to hear Dogen reference it in such a close way.
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Mar 04, 2010 10:42:51 AM CST
"...which is something we could already see from a mile away"
by d.vader
I disagree MNG. I dunno about you, but I hadn't given up on Sayid completely.
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We'll know not all of them have been Smokey.
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I predict that the flash sideways arc is actually a Flash Forward, that this is where everybody ends up after whatever happens in the episodes to come. The timeline will finally be corrected or something like that....
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What's up, man?Well, that's just it, I guess. We've been following Sayid around for 6 seasons...we've already seen him give in to his more violent nature on several occassions...we've seen him die and come back "infected"...and now we've seen him join the ranks of Smokie. Whether we give up on Sayid seems to be irrelevant at this point...especially when you toss in the wildcard-ness of the Alternate Storyline.Much like the death of John Locke - is he really dead? Or will he rise again? Will Sayid go with Smokie? Or will he turn on him when the time is right?It's strange for me to say that I don't find these questions very compelling.
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if your refering to 4we8have15to16goback48 then that was my old name.
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Damn City Water people cleaning out the sewers, causing my toilets to explode and spray water everywhere... Anyway, how you doin'? I see what you're saying. What I meant was, I hadn't totally written Sayid off as going to the Dark Side yet during the episode. So I did care and was interested to see if he was going to give into temptation or not and allow the darkness into his heart. We hadn't seen exactly what an infection entails yet, and everyone who HAS been shown to be "infected" seems to have had good reason to act the way they did- Robert was protecting himself when he tried to shoot Rousseau, Claire is crazy and thinks the Others have her baby... There just doesn't seem to be any overwhelming evidence that proves they are infected and evil, so I was curious to see what change we'd see in Sayid, if any at all. I was invested in that story. As for Locke, whoa man really? You don't find it compelling to think Locke just *may* rise again? At this point, what are the questions you find most compelling?
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I did know that. I've known that for awhile. I just completely forgot it. My bad =).
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Thats cool about Widmore, I would love to see him on the island, but it might also be cool if since Ben is a teacher in flash world then for Widmore to be the school Principal.
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What to do with the bodies from the Temple Massacre?1. Toss them in the Claire Pit2. Stick them in a tunnel and brick it up Amontillado style.Bury 'em, duh.4. Toss them in an open pit.5. Barbeque tonight!6. Leave 'em where they fell. Kinda freaky if anyone else ever finds the Island, a temple full of rotted corpses.7. What ever happens, I assume they won't be giving them a Viking Funeral and burning the bodies, given MIB's odd aversion to ashes and cremains.
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I'm still catching up on this season's Heroes on my DVR and Matt Parkman just started doing that to Sylar.
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Smokey seeing the Kid with the bloody hands was proof enough for me that he's not responsible for all visions...
All dead people might be a different matter, but I have a feeling that often visions of dead people/animals/the future etc are just "The Island" influencing things.
I'm going to bet the only times we've seen Smokey directly take the form of dead people are: Locke, Alex, Yemi, and plaid-shirted Christian Shepard. I think there's gotta be a difference between the two outfits we've seen CS in. Especially since he went back to suit and tennis shoes when Jack saw him off-Island in 4.10 (Something Nice Back Home).
And by the by, I just got my Mystery-analysis blog up for this episode at:
www.sagaciouspenguin.blogspot.com
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Let's not forget Ben's mom appearing to him as a kid, Ana-Lucia appearing before Eko on the beach, and Walt. I'm pretty confident the different clothed Christian Shepherd is Smokey too.
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My thoughts on the Food Drop (If Dharma is no longer in contact with the Island) is that an old 1970s/80s plane that was attempting to deliver a food drop back in the day went through the Island's crazy time barrier on the wrong bearings and got zapped to 2004.
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man I'm glad this show managed to get Terry O'Quinn. Early on John Locke was one of the shows best characters. maybe the best until Benjamin Linus started to show his colors.Currently, NonLocke/MIB has to be the best character on the show. So much fun to see him make an entrance, smile and say "Hi, I'm the smoke monster." BooYa.The power of the O'Quinn: kill his character off and keep him working anyway. Lost would not be quite so much fun without him.[anyone who's never seen The Stepfather, seriously, Netflix Queue that masterpiece.]
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I still think Desmond's the reason Oceanic 815 crashed even if Jacob was the reason all those folks' lives converged to be on that plane. W/O Desmond, the plane would have just flown on by. And what with the importance of the Numbers and their relation to the candidates, part of me still thinks Hurley's bad luck may have been responsible for the plane being so off course. Lotsa factors involved!
Also, I still think something HUGE happened when Desmond turned that failsafe key at the end of Season 2, such as the Island once again being capable of accessing the outside world. So maybe Desmond's goof on the day Oceanic 815 crashed was the only thing that allowed the Island to bring that plane down.
Ajira 316 didn't need Desmond's aid since the Island's electromagnetic powers were free and flowing - the dam had been blown, as Kelvin phrased it. So all Ajira needed was to fly over the Island's current coordinates.
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I think maybe the reason, narrative-wise, the alt timeline has been introduced is because at the end we're gonna find out what we've watching otherwise isn't "Real" in some way.
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Holy sheet this is hilarious. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UzSfhORPxk&feature=channel
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Bendiana Jones and the Lost Island is good. As is Party in the USA (more like Hurley in the USA).
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Watching O'Quinn in this latest episode...it really is like he is a totally different person. That is not John Locke. I love when actors can achieve such different results just from a change in attitude. Like, it really is entirely believable sawyer would almost immediately know that isnt john locke...because hes nothing like john locke, Watch the conversation with sayid after after he stabs MiB in the chest, compared to watching him John Locke in the substitute, the scene where he is in the bathtub talking to helen. I know its the same guy...but those are two entirely different people. Keeping O'Quinn around for 6 seasons has been a coup for the show. He's amazing. Even if I found John Locke entirely annoying and girlish most of the time...he is still fantastic. I love watchng him as MiB. Best thing on the show currently. He's so fucking confident.
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Ha! Damn, sorry to hear about the water problems. Kind of sounds like what was happening in my building last month. I hate turning on my sink or flushing the toilet only to find out that Maintenance had turned the water off earlier in the day. Nothing like a good air pocket to scare the bejeezus out of you.As for John Locke, I'm actually one of those who is predicting his return! I'm leaning towards the belief that he is/was the one who was "lying in the shadow of the statue" or whatever. Seeing as how this is LOST and all, I don't think it would be that surprising if he were to come back from the grave. (Of course, this may depend on the how and why of his resurrection.) But considering how we know he is alive in the Alternate Storyline, it kind of steals his island death thunder, so to speak.What would be REALLY compelling is if Island-Locke were stone-cold dead; no chance of coming back. Meanwhile, in the Alternate Storyline, he dies while undergoing spinal surgery via Dr. Jack Sheppard. That would be compelling and heartbreaking because Locke's ultimate destiny (no matter the reality) was death.
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"What would be REALLY compelling is if Island-Locke were stone-cold dead; no chance of coming back. Meanwhile, in the Alternate Storyline, he dies while undergoing spinal surgery via Dr. Jack Sheppard. That would be compelling and heartbreaking because Locke's ultimate destiny (no matter the reality) was death." Yeah that would just be very sad. Hadn't thought of Locke being the one who lies in the shadow of the statue. T'would be interesting.
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If Jughead sunk the island how do you explain Ethan and the Mercenary being out in the real world? The Alt-verse is what would have happened without Jacob's influence on their lives. In fact, I'd be willing to be that none of those people, including Ben, Ethan, Dogen and whoever else have never even heard of the island in the Alt-verse.Also, it looks like Jacob was responsible for the death of Dogen's son the same way he was indirectly responsible for Nadia's death.
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(Incidentally, nice to be back on the AICN talkbacks and see some old friends) I'm with you, vader. This is what I was saying to 009. I'm flummoxed by all this talk of disappointment. What were people expecting, really? Would they find anything more compelling? It's great that for the most part these are die-hards who just want so much for the show to pay them back for their loyalty. But it also strikes me as incredibly unfair.
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Wasn't that the first time she'd seen him "alive" again? Or am I missing something?
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Kate never did see Locke dead either, to be fair.
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You can see I've got an eye for detail.
Just another thing tho. Moving the lighthouse to 108degrees, isn't that the same heading michael and walt have to take to escape the island?
Maybe Wallace isn't a person... because if someone is coming to the island I'd assume looking in the 108degree direction would be how you'd see who's coming maybe?
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How cool would it be though, if the big reveal in the alt story is that Ben kidnapped Alex in the alt time line as well.
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it could certainly make for interesting storytelling! if it's one thing i should learn though, it's that it is not often easy to predict what the writer's on lost are going to do... not that some things aren't predictable, but by and large, and especially on a larger scale, the show proves to be fairly tough to predict
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... as a teenager.
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"We will soon find out, one way or the other, whether Desmond was really on the plane in the season opener. It will not be ambiguous. Also, the next time we see Desmond, which may not be for a while, Penny will be at his side."As I posted earlier, I think Des may no have been on that flight at all. That it's even been brought up as a question to be addressed makes me think he wasn't. Des was probably a construct of Jack's subconcious or something. Something for his mind to notice is wrong about LA X.
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It's not real,nor are Ben, Ethan, etc. in the false "reality".
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Well, that's fine. I'm genuinely happy that some of you have "loved every minute of Lost". I haven't and if you were to go back and look at past talkbacks you'd see that I'm consistent on that. I actually stopped watching for a while and then caught up because these talkbacks convinced me to do so. But here's the thing, so what if we're disappointed? So what if some people are genuinely unhappy with the direction the show has taken? So what if some people are confused? Because as far as I can tell 99% of those people aren't attacking anybody who has "loved every minute of Lost". A vast majority of the people who have only watched the show, don't listen to the podcasts and don't read any blogs are saying nothing about the people who do. Right? So how about we all just try and discuss the remaining episodes with the understanding that we aren't all one person, with one mind. In other words, we all think differently. When the attacks on an person with any thought that varies from your own stops for a couple hours these talkbacks are incredibly intelligent and insightful. And listen, don't get me wrong, there ARE trolls. There ARE people who are stirring the pot. But they are VERY few and far in between. I would think that any rational, level-headed human being would be able to tell the difference between them and somebody who simple hasn't "loved every minute of Lost". I'll say it again, I love this show, but not unconditionally. I don't have faith that everything will be explained to a satisfactory level (not everything explained - two different things). But it's my right to have that opinion as much as it's your right to bow down at the feet of the creators and worship. I just wish all the finger pointing, name calling, "I know more than you, how could you be so stupid" bullshit would stop. Because really, if you think the writers and creators aren't pulling you're strings, I think (my opinion) you're not really paying much attention. Anyway, long rant made short, ignore the trolls, more tolerance for those who think differently than you.
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I would've probably liked this weeks episode. But when you talk ish about "WE CAN'T SHOW YOU A SINGLE SECOND! QUESTIONS WILL BE ANSWERED!" Cut that SHIT OUT! I'm waiting to learn something and I don't learn ANYTHING! Ok fake Locke is EVIL IN CARNATE I already figured that! Sayid is a murdering bad-ass I ALREADY knew that! Claire's NUTS no surprise there. I'm convinced nothing will be explained until the last 2-3 episodes so that's when I'll watch because at least then I won't be frustrated.
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I think a lot of us believe, feel, think, etc. that LA X time is where we're going to end up. But according to what I've read in this talkback there are no more flash forwards or backwards. It's not like they couldn't lie about it or something. But for better or worse I think we're supposed to be rolling with the flash sideways concept.
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Skip the rest of the episodes until the last two. Then come back afterwards and tell us all how that worked out for you.Good luck! I'm sure you won't miss sheeeyit.
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Anyone else take another look at the Last Supper promo pictures that were released prior to this season? I read somewhere that if the losties are in their correct "seats", the picture would put Kate in the role of Judas (meaning that she will eventually betray MIB) and Sayid would be Peter (MIB's BFF). By the looks of it, things could certainly be heading in that direction for both Kate and Sayid.
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I'm just glad we get to see alex one more time, and two years older than last time. That girl aged eautigully between 3 and 4, and I'm sure she's onl more gorgeous now. She's probably, imho, the hottest lostie we've seen. Her, Kate, and then shannons legs. Then sun maybe, and them mrs klugh. (joke)
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Those were very nice
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Has anyone even bothered to mention that LOST's use of the Last Supper idea is a direct rip-off (perhaps intentional) of the BSG Last Supper promo?I don't recall if this has been brought up or not.
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Tania Raymonde (Alex) just did a guest part on The Forgotten (I've been watching that, and actually enjoying it) and she looked pretty damn good. Granted, she had makeup on and her hair was done. But I was fairly surprised that she was lookin' that attractive.
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too.
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Many times before BSG. One of the the talkbacks had a pretty good list.
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...."you use more than one login here" insult. Along with what I said up above, 99% of us don't. I'd guess a majority of us have always had one name here (as is the case with me). Some of those who have had more than one name are very open about it, so there's no issue there, either. But the whole trying to tear somebody apart because you think they're somebody else, again, takes away from intelligently discussing Lost. It just doesn't matter. Some people have issues, let it go.
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And if someone is too much of a pussy to say what they need to say under their real login, well then they got their own issues. Don't be a box. Nut up and use a single login to make your points, people!!
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Cool. It was featured so prominently with BSG that it seemed like it could be a bit of a tribute, if you will. I don't think it garnered as much speculation and exposure though.BTW - good post on those who are experiencing some disappointment with this season.
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I think you completely missed my point there brother. lol But it's cool. I'm gonna be as chill as possible in the remaining Lost threads. I can skip over the angry, crazy parts.
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I agree using that as an insult is dumb. I also agree, its cool, people will do what they wanna do. I just figured I'd add a note that I think people should man up and say what they wanna say without hiding. But if they don't ... whateva. Life goes on.
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First, yes, Juliets cans are great...I'm just not aaa in love with the rest of her. She's hot, no doubt, I'd give it straight to her. But Elizabeth Mitchell just isn't my type I guess? To each their own. But her cans...indeed
to anyone who is disappointed, I have a twofold answer. First, you suck. Ots been 6 episodes. Get a grip. It's thr final season, not the final episode. I've said it before, but as of now, there are 12 hours left, which, with commercials is ten full hours, 5 feature length movies. What did you expect? Also, and more importantly, it a mystery show. Do you not realize the mystery is ALWAYS more interesting than the answer. Think of a magic trick. Is it interesting when you know what happened? No. That's the nature of mystery. I've been prepared for the answers to be less interesting than the mystery from the start. It's just the way life works. Have you ever solved a puzzle whose solution is more engaging that the solving of it? Absolutely not, ever in your life. I don't know what would not disappoint you at this point. Temper your expectations and enjoy the STORY not the answers. It's silly.
finally...does anyone actualy use two handles? How sad do you have to be...and what is the utility in it? Iyoupost something, come back and agree with yourself to what...draw attention? What kind of sociopath would do that? -
its a lame movie but she looks quite good in that, especially her masturbation scenes...fun. lol and its the one movie that made Rumer Willis look so doable. (talkin about her closet quickie scene in particular) damn.
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I love it when people prove my points so quickly. Woo-hoo! "First, you suck." Really, why does ANYBODY suck because they are personally disappointed with something? How does it affect you in ANY way? "Get a grip"? Really? How about applying that to your own preachy rants. I have a very clear grip. I know exactly where I stand and I can explain at length why I stand there. You don't have to agree, but (for the 752nd time) it doesn't give you right or reason to insult people who feel differently. That's Jr High level behavior. "Have you ever solved a puzzle whose solution is more engaging that the solving of it? Absolutely not, ever in your life." What? What are you talking about? lol Of course I have. That's the point. To reach a satisfactory (and in some cases correct) answer or conclusion. That's your reward for trying to solve the mystery. It's the entire point of thing. "I don't know what would not disappoint you at this point" No, you don't. Because you're not ME, or anybody else who doesn't think the exact same thing that you do. That's my point. Stop shitting on people because they don't agree with you. "Temper your expectations and enjoy the STORY not the answers. It's silly." OK, then why are you here getting all in a bunch with people who don't think the same thing you do? Maybe you should temper your opinions and enjoy the discussions in the talkbacks. Geeez. Here's you're hug, I'm done with this discussion. ((((( Crow3711 )))))
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Jacob influenced them to take the exact plane that he knew would be going through the exact spot for them to warp (for lack of a better word) to the island. When Desmond did not push the button that broke it into 3 pieces and sucked it to the ground otherwise they might have had to keep flying in circles and eventually ether land in the water or crash on the island (since the island landing strip hadn't been made yet). Ajera went through the warp at just the right time and place and were able to land on the Others runway and didn't get sucked out of the sky since there was no more hatch for Desmond to not push a button to release the magnetic energy.
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...are noticin the trollfighters or gnomes as i call em .... i said it four eps ago... way worse than trolls...
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...im surprised no one ever said i was lostboy, esp since im TEAM LOSTBOY... *POOM*
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Sorry, but go a rubix cube. What's more fun? Twisting it around and Soing the puzzle or having a neatly color coordinated cube sitting on your desk? The puzzle.
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Nothing will be done with the bodies since there's nobody left there to do anything to the bodies. Everyone left.
Also, about the coolness of O'Quinn and his portrayal of NotLocke, I couldn't agree more. He seemed so realistically somewhat weak and old when playing John Locke and so strong and confident now. It's hard to believe it's the same actor. He's doing an amazing job. -
Typing on my iPhone is a pain in the ass. I spell everything wrong and skip half the words. I don't want to fight jaka. I just feel like the answers are going to pale in comparison to six seasons of questions. It's the nature of things imo
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Make mine Juliette.
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Maybe they'll zombify!
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What an insult.
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Its too large. I have to scroll alllllll the way down to post (I wish there was a hot button that took you to the bottom of a page like there is for the top), and if I flip the iPhone horizontally to better read, the large size of the page causes my phone to "lose" my place so to speak, and when it flips it actually goes many many man posts above where I was before. Which means I now have to scroll down horizontally instead of vertically, which is not as efficient. Ugh.
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*Spoilerish* I saw pics & vid at tvovermind.com that show an actor who looks like he's Alt Ben's Principal and he looks like William Atherton who usually plays slime-balls. If Alex is in, could she be a student who exposes Ben's Coffee stealing habits? Or something a little more serious... Hmmm. Island Ben looks like a dog chained up. ;-)
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Why isn't there a scroll to bottom of page? It would make talkbacks managable on a phone. It kind of surprises me there is a zoom to top of page feature, but no zoom to bottom. The horizontal thing pisses me off too. Glad I'm not the only one. I'm back at my laptop now though, so no more mistakes for me.
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Just as every cop is a criminal
And all the sinners saints
As heads is tails
Just call me ..John Locke
'Cause I'm in need of some restraint..
What's interesting to wonder is does Terry O'Quinn know who? 'is' Non-John is.. the background, the history of this 'Man'; evil incarnate in some opinion. Or. Is he riffin this portrayal off the vagaries of asides and direction.
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Well, maybe this season. But I'm sure that last season, I don't even think he really knew for sure until towards the end that he wasn't really John Locke. I heard the script just said "Locke approaches. He is somehow different." or something along those lines. Just that he was "different" At this point, I do wonder if they've told him all about this guy or not. He sure as fuck is playing it like he does. That guy on screen is nothing like John Locke, which really impresses me. I mean...they told Matthew Fox the end of the series like 3 seasons ago...so I imagine at this point they've told O'Quinn enough about Ol' Smokey that he has at least some serious insight into his history.
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Mar 04, 2010 4:03:50 PM CST
I honestly feel really embarassed about alot of the posting here
by billboefett
if Damon, Carlton, Hurley, or anyone else omes here and has to wade through all the shit to find some worthwhile posts. Yes, I know, I've contributed myself, and I admit that. But these TBs would be 75% smaller if people stopped attacking each other here and getting off topic. They say to themselves "lets go derail another LOST talkback!" They love it, because apparently, we keep taking the bait. They also get us circleing the wagon by arguing with ourselves, our motivations, our misconceptions, etc. instead of discussing the show. If I was a troll looking to get some satisfaction by way of derail, I'd definitely come here.
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Well there was a bit of progression in it so thats a plus .
We get to learn that Sayid is a man of violence come what may - he's never going to escape that destiny. His acting as an assassin for Ben is somewhat justified now by the moronic way he acts as an assassin for two people (Dogen and RepliLocke) in one episode.
But overall it felt like the action just covered up not much happening - I wasn't impressed by the first fight with Dogen - in fact its sheer senselessness just reminded me of Peter Griffin and the giant Chicken.
Smokeys rampage betrayed what a measily little set the temple is - its like a reverse Tardis - much smaller on the inside than on the outside - one does wonder if they've had their budget cut or its being saved for a grand finale.
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because they get a successful derail every single time they try. They keep people off topic, arguing about each other instead of the show. Motivation this, misconception that. If I was a troll looking to get satisfaction from derailing a TB, I'd definitely come here, because it works.
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Bits and pieces of this are floating around, but this is what's happening in toto:
Yes indeed, Jacob has been containing Smokie on the island, protecting the world from him. Jacob is played out/tired/or has some kind of expiration date (I'm being flip, but essentially that's the case). So all these people have been candidates for his replacement.
Along with that function (and perhaps others not yet disclosed), Jacob weaves fate. Indeed, he has woven the fates of all involved to bring them to the island to replace him in guarding the Smokie. If Smokie escapes, it's the end of the world...that's why it was imperative to keep pushing that button, because unleashing that energy would precipitate events that would render the island visible, bring Smokie's soldiers to the island, and trigger Smokie's escape. Smokie has a way of getting into people and turning them bad, as we have seen. That's what happened with Widmore. Ben can't kill Widmore in the same way that Dogen couldn't kill Sayid - the rules are that the Candidates are hands-off (just as UnLocke can't kill Jacob and vice versa - the personal reps or avatars of both sides can't kill the others directly, only cause them to be killed...Jack can kill Sayid, but not Dogen, okay?) So, not able to kill Widmore when Smokie took him over, Ben exiled Widmore. Widmore either a) wants to get back himself to destroy the island, freeing Smokey or b) cause the island to be destroyed with his mercs, freeing Smokey. That's basically it. As for the flash sideways, look at it this way: Jacob was weaving the strands of fate when the island sank, whenever that was...but the tapestry was unfinished. THAT's why the characters keep bumping into each other, but without any design or intent...they are woven near to each other in that fabric, but the end threads are bare, tangling and touching in random ways. It makes sense. My prediction: the flash sideways will become THE most interesting part of the show, because we're gonna SEE WHAT HAPPENS to the world when Smokey is free...apocalypse, my friends. The island sank...and Smokey is free. -
circleing the wagon, in-fighting, and arguing amongst ourselves, they win.
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I couldn't agree more about the fight with Dogen at the beginning. How entirely senseless and stupid was that? I didn't bring it up because when I came on after the episode people were sort of gushing over how awesome it was. It was a waste of 4 minutes, dont you think? Sayid was trying to explain soething about himself to this guy, and he just judo chops him? It made me respect both characters significantly less. Dogen acted like the opposite of a wise samurai man. I sat there baffled during the whole thing. Why was that even happening? Just because it was cool to see Sayid and a Samurai fight. That's all. I'm glad someone else thought it was a senseless waste of time
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You pretty much hit the nail on the head with the way I feel too. I mentioned how when I look at him now, I don't see John Locke, I see someone wearing John Locke skin. Its such a testament to Terry O Quinn's acting ability. Emmy nod please.
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He didn't trust the man one bit. He probably thought he was coming in to kill him, so he gave the first strike.
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How does that square with the name Linus being crossed off at the lighthouse and MIB's cave?
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Penis envy.
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and spared him because of the baseball drop. Seemed fairly obvious to me. Oh well. It looked to me like he was holding him down in a chokehold in the beginning, trying to choke him to death.
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yeah, it was really a transparent setting up of Dogen's reveal of his motivation... I really dig the Family Guy comparison though, LOL! Honestly, I am still on the fence about Jacob & MIB/Flocke/Unlocke... both seem manipulative bastards at this time. Was Linus a candidate still when he killed Jacob? And if, so did Jacob knowingly cross him off early because he knew Linus was going to fulfill his destiny?
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If not win. He does a great job.
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And in some ways agree about the motivations and stuff behind it. But that doesnt mean it didn't go on for ENTIRELY too long, and feel very out of place at the time. I just didn't buy that these guys would have that fight. I just felt like It was a very overly choreographed fight, and I just didn't buy it. Combined with the fact that I knew neither of them was gonna kill the other one in the first 4 minutes of the episode. I almost never agree when people say things are "filler" on lost. But that, imo, was some serious filler. It was just a few minutes though, and the episode recovered in a massive way, so its not like im complaining or saying it sucked. I just didn't really buy it, thats all. It seemed very silly.
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Mar 04, 2010 4:46:39 PM CST
Royston think that would be true if it was Eko not sayid
by miyamoto_musashi
Anyone that has seen the series Oz knows what I mean
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I know both he and Michael Emerson have both been nominated, I think multiple times each...but have either ever won? I don't really put much stock in awards, but I agree if O'Quinn hasn't won yet, they should reward him for his work the last two seasons, playing a character that isn't who he appears to be. Does anyone remember if anyone from LOST has won an emmy? All I'm sure about is I think they all won a best ensemble for the first season. After that, I feel like its gotta be hard for the voters to just watch one random "screener" episode to judge the nominees on for a show like lost, which relies so heavily on understanding every action and detail.
On another note, I truly think Sawyer deserves at least a nod for his work in S5 and S6. He has easily grown the most as an actor out of everyone on the show. His work in The Substitute was just incredible, and his relationship with Juliet took his portrayal of Sawyer to a whole new level. I've been incredibly impressed with Josh as of late. -
last season,of course I knew they weren't going to kill each other, but still was great because its all about the tension, the difference of opinion and thought. The first fight with Dogen and Sayid was similar to me.
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I totally disagree with you, Crow. One man was tortured without reason by the other and almost poisoned by his friend on the other man's orders. The other guy is threatened by this infected, angry man who is quickly invading his personal space. Fight ensues to defend oneself. Makes sense.
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reminded me of Holy Grail, "African or European..."
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And they are the only ones. Naveen Andrews was also nominated first season alongside Locke. Desmond was nominated for Best Guest Star in Season 2. I don't think any female has ever been nominated (maybe Evangeline Lily season 1). Locke won for Season 3 and Ben won for Season 5 (though he should have won for Season 4). So there have been acting noms for every season thus far.
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Season 1 and 3. Ben has been nominated 3 times- Season 3, 4, 5.
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He wasn't pissed off in the scene. He was trying to be open and honest about his feelings and situation, and he got a judo chop in return. It didn't add up for me. Suisse fightig back once attacke of course makes sense. But the impetus for the fight was very forced. I just hope were respectfully disagreeing. I'm tired of arguing. Besides, my biggest complaint isn't the fight itself but the duration. It went on for a comically long time fill of ludicrously complicated choreography. I was laughing. That's why it bugged me really
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He was entering Dogen's personal space, and Dogen *knows* (for all intents and purposes, he knows) that Sayid is now evil and claimed, so why wouldn't he try to kill the Temple Master? If someone else was in the room, I doubt Dogen would have started fighting. And of course, like always, I am respectfully disagreeing.
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The fight went on for much longer than I was expecting. But I liked that.
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because he was proved to have turned to the darkside and it was only a matter of time before he pulled something like he did later in the episode. BTW fights that tend to go on that long are because the two opponents are equally matched. Think of an arm wrestling match where the two guy's are of pretty much equal arm strength. It goes on forever.
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The Island is a Loop.
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not your finest work if you want people to believe we're two separate people dude
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After the Oceanic 6 left left the island, Jacob visited LA and indirectly caused the death of Sayid's fiance, and then last night it was hinted that he may have done the same thing to Dogen. If a man really is a good person, he wouldn't cause death and suffering to further his own agenda. On the other hand, has the Locke monster ever killed someone that didn't deserve it? He spared real Locke and murdered Mr. Eko, but if I remember correctly Mr. Eko did some bad things in his life. Locke monster killed the people in the temple, but if they're Jacob's people and Jacob was the evil one, then it wasn't just random murder of innocents like Jacob is guilty of. I think there's going to be a very fine line between Jacob and the monster when it's all said and done. But one thing keeps nagging at me, if Ben worked for Alpert and Alpert worked for Jacob, why was Ben seemingly able to summon and control the monster to kill the mercenaries that were sent by Widmore, who is apparently opposed to the Jacob side? Or did he summon the monster to kill some of the flaming arrow temple people?
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It looks like the Dharma Initiative is shaping up to be little more than a red herring.
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on the beach has a little more meaning now. MIB said something to the effect of "you keep bringing them hear, and it keeps ending the same way". Apparently he was talking about the candidates, and Jacob never found a suitable replacement. That makes me think that there was a time limit on MIB's "sentence" and it was going to run out. That could also be who's coming, MIB's people, who can take him home if Jacob or his replacement is no longer there.
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Something about Jacob isn't quite right. I really want to see what happens when sayid meets jacob and realizes this was the guy that either caused sayid to not be able to push nadia out of the way, or who stopped sayid from dying alongside his love and being peaceful in that way. Jacob fucked up that one big time. I even considered it at the time...I thought Sayid would break his neck for stopping him from walking across the street with his girl even without knowing it was jacob. But then again...isn't the "god" most of us (if your a spiritual person) kind of a giant dick also, but still in the end we believe he has benevolent intentions for us? He kills our friends, causes hardship and pain, and makes life overall a bitch...but hes not evil. Life is pain and such. It just seems weird that Jacob represents "choice" in some way, telling people they have a choice and are free...but in reality, his "choices" are really a complete lack of choice. Did Dogen really have a choice between saving his son or letting him die? That isn't a choice at all for a father. Also, he certainly never gave the O6 a choice about coming to island. he made them come. Its intensely puzzling.
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I have to admit, I'll be a little disappointed.
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Mar 04, 2010 6:15:16 PM CST
Also, Darlton said Dharma Inititiative Was A Means to an End
by crow3711
And in no way an end itself. They said the Dharma Initiative, in the overall scheme, is decidedly unimportant compared to a lot of occurances on the island. Personally, I really like that. They are a footnote in the history of the island our people got involved with. That's fun.
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Ok...First off...The fight was not 4 minutes long. It was a mere 1 minute long...from first 'judo chop' to the baseball falling off the desk. The ENTIRE SCENE was only 3 minutes long.
Secondly, Dogen knew he was going to have to KILL Sayid, to save his OWN skin the moment Sayid said "Is that why you tried to poison me?". At that instant, Dogen knew Sayid wasn't there to 'talk'. As illustrated later in the episode, when Keamy & his men were having a nice 'quiet' conversation with Sayid about his brother's missed payments...Sayid snapped and had them all shot dead within seconds.
No...Sayid did not draw "first blood"...Dogen saw to that...he wasn't about to let the fuckin deadly Iraqi torturer get the upper hand. He cut Sayid off mid sentence BEFORE Sayid could snap from 'calmly talking' to 'deadly assassin'.
I'm sorry you had such a big problem with it...but I found it to be one minute of kick ass television...and not ammusing in the least.
It was just Dogen taking a preemptive strike to save his life. A scenario that was repeated a few scenes later when he advised Sayid to plunge the knife into UnLocke's chest the second he saw him...before he had a chance to speak.
A also feel Dogen knew he was a dead man while sitting on the steps of the healing spa...when Sayid returned. Even AFTER Sayid dropped the knife to the ground, Dogen knew he was a dead man.
I got NO Peter Griffin/Chicken Fight vibe from the scene at all. I think you may have had those Family Guy encounters in the back of your head while watching the scene, and therefore it was made silly to you from the first punch.
I disagree completely, kind sir. But...to each his own.
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Joup or Joop, however Darlton spells the names of the Monkey that they talked/joked about in season 2 podcasts that would come out at the end of the series finale and explain everything.
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I think the only one that can see him now is Hurley.
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I really enjoyed the Dharma storyline as it unfolded, especially the hatches and orientation videos, but I think I've just now realized from the last few eps that Dharma isn't really that important to the overall story. I guess you can say it just dawned on me and I was thinking aloud on the talkback. ;)
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I am beginning to think that the black smoke monster is really a genie or jinn from a lamp that washed up on shore a very long time ago. A genie grants wishes and that's just what Un-Locke is doing.In Arabic, a Djinn (In Arabic, a Djinn (also jinn, genie, from Arabic جني jinnī) is a supernatural creature which occupies a parallel world to that of mankind, and together with humans and angels makes up the three sentient creations of God (Allah). Possessing free will, a djinn can be either good or evil.[1]
The Djinn are mentioned frequently in the Qur'an, and there is a Surah entitled Al-Jinn. While Christian tradition suggests that Lucifer was an angel that rebelled against God's orders, Islam maintains that Iblis was a Djinn who had been granted special privilege to live amongst angels prior to his rebellion.[2] Although some scholars have ruled that it is apostasy to disbelieve in one of God's creations, the belief in Jinn has fallen comparably to the belief in angels in other Abrahamic traditions.[3]
Etymology and definitions
The Majlis al Jinn cave in Oman, literally "Meetingplace of the Jinn".Jinn is the plural for jini which is derived from the Arabic root JaNaA and means to hide or be hidden. Other words derived from this root are Majnoon, jonnon, and janeen; the first to call someone whose intellect is hidden meaning crazy, jonnon meaning craziness, and the third --janeen-- means a baby inside a mother's womb, hence janeen or hidden. The word genie derives from Latin genius, which meant a sort of tutelary or guardian spirit thought to be assigned to each person at their birth. English borrowed the French descendent of this word, génie; its earliest written attestation in English, in 1655, is a plural spelled genyes. The French translators of The Book of One Thousand and One Nights used génie as a translation of jinnī because it was similar to the Arabic word in sound and in meaning. This use was also adopted in English and has since become dominant.
The Arabic root JaNaA means "hidden, concealed", as in the verb janna "to hide, to conceal". (This is not to be confused with the Arabic word jannat, which means "paradise").[4][5][6] Arabic lexicons, such as William Lane's lexicon provide the rendered meaning of jinn not only for spirits, but also for anything concealed through time, status, and even physical darkness.[7] In Arabic, the word jinn is plural; jinnī is the singular (and adjective). The feminine form is jinnīyah.
In other cultures, as in the Mythology Guanche (Tenerife, Canary Islands, Spain), also existed the belief in beings that qualify as genies, such as the so-called Gods paredros or Maxios (domestic spirits and nature), the Tibicenas (evil genies) and also demon Guayota (aboriginal god of evil) that, like the Arabic Iblis, is sometimes identified with a genie. The Guanches were of Berber origin in northern Africa which further strengthens this hypothesis.[8]
[edit] Djinn in the pre-Islamic era
Amongst archaeologists dealing with ancient Middle Eastern cultures, any spirit lesser than angels is often referred to as a djinn, especially when describing stone carvings or other forms of art.
The pre-Islamic Zoroastrian culture of ancient Persia believed in jaini/jahi, evil female spirits thought to spread diseases to people. However, Zoroaster himself did not believe in the existence of such evil female spirits.
Inscriptions found in Northwestern Arabia seem to indicate the worship of djinn, or at least their tributary status. For instance, an inscription from Beth Fasi'el near Palmyra pays tribute to the "Ginnaye", the "good and rewarding gods"[9] providing a sharp resemblance to the Latin Genius and Juno: The Guardian Spirits.
Types of djinn include the Shaitan, the Ghul, the Marid, the Ifrit and the Djinn. According to the information in The Arabian Nights, Ifrit seem to be the strongest form of djinn, followed by Marid, and then the rest of the djinn forms.
[edit] Jinn in Islam
In Islamic theology jinn are said to be creatures with free will, made from 'smokeless fire' (energy) by Allah in the same way humans were made of earth.[10] According to the Qur'an, Djinn have free will, and Iblis abused this freedom in front of Allah by refusing to bow to Adam when Allah told Iblis to do so. By disobeying Allah, he was thrown out of Paradise and called “Shaitan”. Djinn are frequently mentioned in the Qur'an, Sura 72 of the Qur'an (named Al-Jinn) is entirely about them. Another Sura (Al-Nas) mentions Djinn in the last verse.[11] The Qur’an also mentions that Muhammad was sent as a prophet to both “humanity and the Djinn”.[12][13]
Similar to humans, jinn have free will allowing them to as they choose(such as follow any religion). They are usually invisible to humans and humans do not appear clear to them. However, jinn often harass and even possess humans, for various reasons, such as romantic infatuation, revenge, or due to a deal made with a practitioner of black magic. Jinns have the power to travel large distances at extreme speeds and are thought to live in remote areas, mountains, seas, trees, and the air, in their own communities. Like humans, jinns will also be judged on the Day of Judgment and will be sent to Heaven or Hell according to their deeds.[14]
[edit] Qareen
Every person is assigned a special "jinn" to them, also called a qareen, the jinns that whisper into your soul and tell you to give in to your evil desires.[15][16][17] However, the notion of a qareen is not universally accepted amongst all Muslims. But it is generally accepted that shaitan whispers in Human being's minds, and he is assigned to each human being.[18]
[edit] Classifications and characteristics
Makhan in an enchanted garden, embraced by an efreeti. Illustration from an illuminated manuscript of Khamse, a poem by Nezami.The social organization of the jinn community resembles that of humans - such as they have kings, courts of law, weddings, and mourning rituals.[19] Muhammad reportedly divided jinn into three classes: those who have wings and fly in the air, those who resemble snakes and dogs, and those who travel about ceaselessly.[20] Abd Allah ibn Mas'ud (d. 652), who was accompanying Muhammad when the jinn came to hear his recitation of the Quran, described them as creatures of different forms; some resembling vultures and snakes, others tall men in white garbs.[21] They may even appear as dragons, onagers, or a number of other animals.[22] In addition to their animal forms, the jinn occasionally assume human form to mislead and destroy their human victims. One such jinni who had assumed the form of a beautiful woman was identified because of her beastly feet by her human victim, who killed her by throwing a rope around her neck and dragging her behind his camel.[23] This type of jinn is called mardāzmā, (tester of men) among the Baluch people.[24] Muhammad is also said to have told the jinn that they may subsist on bones, which will grow flesh again as soon as they touch them, and that their animals may live on dung, which will revert back to grain or grass for the use of the jinn flocks.[25]
Ibn Taymiyyah believed the Jinn were generally "ignorant, untruthful, oppressive and treacherous".[26]
Muslims believe that the Jinn account for much of the "magic" perceived by humans, cooperating with magicians to lift items in the air unseen, delivering hidden truths to fortune tellers, and mimicking the voices of deceased humans during seances.[26]
[edit] Islamic concept of King Solomon and Djinn
Main article Islamic view of Solomon
The Holy Quran states that King Solomon (Sulayman) is said to have compelled the Djinn into his service and given them dominion over 25 parasangs of his realm.[27] In his court, the Djinn stood behind the learned humans, who in turn, sat behind the prophets. Solomon’s wife, the Queen of Sheba, was reportedly born of the marriage between a Djinn and a human, some sources suggesting a Djinn named Rayḥāna was her mother. It was this connection to the Djinn that made people apprehensive about Solomon’s marriage to her. They feared that if their master Solomon married a half-Djinn, they would be forced to remain in the service of the offspring of that marriage forever. Thus, to make Solomon fall out of love with her, they told him that she was insane, and that her feet were hairy and resembled those of a donkey(Citation required).[28]
The Djinn remained in the service of Solomon, who had placed them in bondage, and had ordered their king, Zūba’a, to perform a number of tasks throughout his life. Upon Solomon’s death, however, Zūbaa went to the places where his subjects were toiling, and called out to them to stop working. They happily obeyed, and one of them carved a message in stone, enumerating what they had built during their servitude.[29]
[edit] Esoteric theories
In 1998, Pakistani nuclear scientist Sultan Bashiruddin Mahmood proposed in a Wall Street Journal interview that djinni (described in the Qur'an as beings made of fire) could be tapped to solve the energy crisis. "I think that if we develop our souls, we can develop communication with them. ... Every new idea has its opponents, but there is no reason for this controversy over Islam and science because there is no conflict between Islam and science." [30]
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I wasn't judging at all. I just wanted to respond to make sure you were aware Darlton had talked about that before. Everyone should be privy to their interviews and such, because they often clear little things up in very decisive ways. I also love the dharma initiative storylines (Season 2 premiere is the moment I decided I would never, ever not watch lost, no matter what happened or how long it went on), and 1977 was a hell of a lot of fun. But I'm also glad there is more to it than that. I always thought the others were more important than dharma overall, especially since we learned about the purge and all. Anyways, just sayin feel free to think out loud, I was just tryin to help out.
And thank you ChiefBrody. Your post justifies the fight the best so far. It still doesn't change my overall view, but I think maybe the real reason I was laughing, is because I think what it honestly felt like to me was "Here we go again" Hear me out. How many times has lost done something just like that, ending a powerful conversation mid-sentence, about 5 sentences too short? Literally, over 150 times I bet, over the course of 109 episodes. Now I love lost more than anyone I know personally, and as much as anyone on here I think. I think you can all see that, as I see it in some of you, even if you don't agree with me or hell, even hate me and think I'm an idiot. So I'm just saying this isn't ruining lost for me anything when I say that I'm with the "disappointed in this season" camp on this one particular instance. Because it IS the sixth season. I'm not even talking about getting all the answers, because you know by now, thats not really what I care about in the end. But I want these characters to stop fighting and interrupting and being incredibly vague about everything and doing irrational things at this point. I was just laughing cause I was surprised they did it, yet again. Let these characters have a conversation for once. That is when the show is at its best. Having them fight for even one full minute brought nothing to the show but some fancy footwork. It wasn't dramatically interesting or revealing. Why can't Dogen sit down, and fucking tell this guy what happened to him. Clearly, even if hes dangerous, he doesnt know whats going on yet. not until you act like a complete dick, and try to kill him...twice. Even if you know he will turn evil, maybe if you actually tell him what happened to him, or what will happen to him, he'll leave on his own, because Sayid IS a good person, who is forced to do terrible things. This is going on way longer than I expected and I will probably get ripped apart about this. But imagine reading and hearing someone being a heartfelt fan, who was just kind of sad when yet again, an interesting conversation between two characters I like started trying to kill eachother for no reason all of the sudden, especially when I knew neither one was going to kill the other right then. I'm not arguing with you at this point, or anyone on these tbs. I didn't want answers. I just wanted sayid to finish his sentence. -
Way up thread. Several guys here were going on about it and I just caught up.
Smoke, wishes being granted, a big bald guy, ancient middle eastern overtones. Come on, what does that sound like. MiB is a freaking genie.
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I couldn't bear to read that whole thing...I mean cmon man, spaces? But THAT right there is some interesting fucking shit. Well played, good find. Who knows if it'll end being applicable, but it certainly got my noodle going.
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I must sound like an idiot at this point, but who said the island was a four letter word or whatever? Where did this come from? I hope someone explains it to me nicely instead of attacking me dogen style
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Someone else can give you a more precise answer or you can go to eonline and look it up but the gist is that Kristen at E! quoted someone who knows (I think an actor? I want to say Hurley) as saying the island is a four letter word and there's no A or E but there is an O.
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Only one minute long, too...and begins the same exact way.
A side by side comparison here:
SAWYER vs JACK
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yVESiwu1F0
DOGEN vs SAYID
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikbzz33r00s
Jack & Sawyer's has a 'nut shot'...that might give you some "Family Guy" yucks!
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re: Smokey being called by Ben against the mercenaries in s4. I was confused by this too, and a little worried cause it seems to suggest that as of s4 Smokey was still just the Cerberus system, the MIB being Smokey is a retcon with quite a few holes.
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Jinn is the plural for jini which is derived from the Arabic root JaNaA and means to hide or be hidden. Other words derived from this root are Majnoon, jonnon, and janeen; the first to call someone whose intellect is hidden meaning crazy, jonnon meaning craziness, and the third --janeen-- means a baby inside a mother's womb, hence janeen or hidden.
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Where do I find the clitoris again?
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Its always been religious in nature, just like its been a mystery or adventure or sci-fi or romance or anything else. Theres been Eko, Charlie, Rose, Sayid and all of their religious moments. Its never dominated the show, but its always been there.
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I believe it might be above the opening of the cave...
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Who is saying religion isn't a significant element in the show?
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Dogen and Lennon rise from the Resurrection Pool, claimed. They drag all the dead Temple Others into the pool. The water goes from 'unclear' to red and tainted and the Claimed Others rise up for the Xombi Apocalypse.NonLocke's Army of Claimed Dead attacks the remaining Losties. Surprisingly, Team Dead Jacob starts winning so MIB and his inner circle make for that submarine that Locke didn't really destroy (remember that rumor?)Kate redeems corrupted James and they trick NonLocke so that Jack's crew makes it to the Submarine first. Meanwhile Benjamin Linus heroically redeems and sacrifices himself by dynamiting the Frozen Donkey Wheel, believing the Island will be lost in time for, well, ever.He is wrong and the explosion collapses the underground tunnels and shatters the volcanic tube the Island is set upon and the Island sinks. Upon their final Deaths Jacob and Nemesis cease to exist: being supernatural entities, they cease to exist through out the time line in both directions so that they never existed. Therefore Jacob never touched anyone, MIB never claimed anyone, and the people in the submarine black out for a moment and their consciousnesses wake aboard Flight 815 as it lands in LA in September, 2004. As they awaken their life on the Island fades away like a disturbing dream as they return to their new LA X version lives - and we've already had a full season to see how those progressed from there.However, the Tainted Resurrection Pool waters flow into the ocean. At first a mere drop in the bucket, so to speak, but they spread like a dominant gene or a virus, poisoning the ocean around them. We see the rotting, fish-eaten corpses of Charlie and Joanna and the Freighter Captain and the woman who jumped from the freighter and the grenade-torn body of Mikhail all bob to the surface and begin to swim towards the nearest land. Beneath the blue Pacific we see the sunken Island as the sandy graves of Boone's Hill erupt and Shannon, Boone, Nikki, Paolo, Ana Lucia, Libby, Scott and so many others and Others float to the surface. We see them bobbing to the surface and then the sea erupts with bodies as all the dead Others and skeletal dead pit Dharmites begin bobbing to the surface.Finally, Bad Sayid and CrazyClaimedClaire and a sinister looking Ben Linus emerged, followed by DeadLocke (Not NonLocke/MIB, but the "real" John Locke, but claimed by The Darkness. Poor confused John looks around and an evil look comes across his face and he knows what he has to do and he begins to swim for shore.We cut to a sandy beach in Hawaii as an Army of Xombis begins to emerge from the sea.[poom] LOST
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It resides in the shadow of the mound.
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All of us. Apparently they're not tying up loose ends according to the Washington Post
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I have FAITH the Rays will win the AL East this year. I know...call me crazy.
But I never drew the Science vs Faith anology as being 'religious', per se. Rather...
SCIENCE = John...There's going to be perfectly LOGICAL & QUANTIFYABLE reasons for our prediciment. While...
FAITH = Jack...yer missing the point...we are here because it is our DESTINY. This island is magical and special...this is our FATE.
I never got the Darwin vs God argument out of that juxtaposition.
But, then again...I only go to church for weddings and funerals. (Altho, the food at weddings is SO much better).
The great thing about LOST is the amazing amount of ways things like "Man of Science...Man of Faith" can be interpreted.
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Rose prayed with Jack early in the first few eps, she's definitely a non-specific protestant Christian, she sought a miracle for her cancer, Locke believed in miracles, man of faith, etc. Sayid's a devout muslim who prays to the east, Eko was a priest who carried a Jesus stick, Charlie was a Roman Catholic who lost his faith but regained it, he helped Eko build a church, which Rose attended, Jack had some sort of non-specific Christian background and also picked his kid up at a Catholic school in the ALT, Hurley's family was very devout Catholic, Desmond was a monk training who apparently believes in the universal brotherhood of all mankind, Ben talked to Jack about the resurrection of Christ, so on and so forth. There's others, but those are the easiest. Also throw in the numerous discussions of God, faith, miracles, belief, doubting, etc. What show have you been watching?
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It seems like not everything will be "spelled" out in the end, but that's just fine with me, when I started this ride, I was never deeply entrenched in the "mysteries". I just thought it was a good show to watch.
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Did I misinterpret your post or did you think you and I were in disagreement about the fight (ie, did you mistake my viewpoints for someone else's)? Or did I read you wrong and you directed your post to me and Darkocity bc you agreed with us?
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People keep leaving out part of it. Aside from the letter stuff, there's also the other clues."It has to exist, more importantly, someone has to protect it" and..."It's important to the world outside."So far, WOMB and DOOR are the only ones that seem to fit those hints.I also pondered that the Island could be a MOON for a minute there...but that was kinda ridiculous. Who need's to protect a moon?Regardless, I mostly agree with ThrowMeTheIdol in that "spoiler hints are often misleading and its best not to get overly hung up on them."
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A 4-letter word.
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The the of the show has always been Science vs Faith, and for pretty much every mystery ever, you can have an explanation that's rooted in science, or rooted in magic, or you can say its coincidence. We don't need an explanation for Kate's horse. I believe it was Island magic. You might say its coincidence. And I think BOTH answers work. That goes for Sawyer's boar. That goes for Nadia the cat. That goes for Libby too (she was distraught over her husband's death and checked herself into a mental hospital, she wasn't stalking Hurley, its the same coincidence/fate as everything else that she met Desmond- I don't need some other backstory for her). Some pple need more. I don't. I'm comfortable with there STILL being some mystery surrounding the show, especially with the very minor mysteries.
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Why in the hell is she still alive???Are they saving the Jin/Sun reunion so people can "feel good" when they slowly run to each other???Seriously for 2 season straight Sun has done nothing but asked about Jin??? Really the characters should have been killed off a long time ago!
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Not "The the"
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Aaaahaahahahahaha.... uhh... nevermind.
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Solving a Rubix Cube, and preferably as fast as possible, is one of the most enjoyable experiences on Earth. Your logic is totally weird on that entire point, dude. Mysteries, puzzles and problems are meant to be solved.
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Mar 04, 2010 9:15:54 PM CST
see the usual comment about the Religious explanation
by miyamoto_musashi
Not sure why people are still so negative towards this.
Religion/Mythology (To me there is no difference, probably because I am an atheist) is part of human history, part of our culture. It surely has been in some shape or form since humans existed, a way to deal with death and a way to explain things you couldn't understand.
Most of our great stories and a lot of our art has been influenced by this.
Lost is a story about humans, at its core for me its a show about who we are, what it means to be human and what it takes to just live everyday life with all of our struggles (everyone has them). I love the mythology parts, it helps makes this examination of humanity, and in particular of this group of characters more interesting and entertaining, like the mystery aspects etc.
If I didn't get a detailed explanation of what the island is, I won't be bothered (I still think VALIS like).
For me what Lost is all about is that scene in the Constant with Des talking to Penny on the phone right at the end, or that recent scene of Jack speaking to his son David "..I just want to be part of your life".
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I didn't see you in there giving me love. I missed you sweetie. You must be looking for your hug, so here it is. ((((((( jay2517 )))))) You are still CLEARLY the best and brightest in every Lost talkback. I bow down before your all-knowing wonderfulness.
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Minimum for me she is eye candy.
But on top of that and more seriously this is about marriage, committment and love. We see an aspect of this through Bernard and Rose, the wise older married couple, who realise what is important as we saw in the coversation last season, and also the dynamic between Penny and Desmond (for me the couple relationship that I care the most about, i.e. couldn't care about Kate and whichever guy). -
I'm totally down with the show being religious in a Joseph Campbell use of myths kind of way. I'm very cool with it using past mythology to create it's own. What I will not be cool with is if it ends up being about some preachy Christian moral. That's just because of my own personal beliefs (an atheist like yourself). I study religion endlessly and I read a lot of fiction that use various religions in a myriad of ways. But I'm always, without fail, disappointed with the ones that end up trying to preach about a particular point of view in the end.
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I'm so NOT trying to start a shit storm with the comment, but it's what I think so I'm going to write it anyway. The use of the temple and it's inhabitants in season 6 to move the story along are very much what a lot of the detractors (I think) are talking about. All of it is kind of pointless and painfully obvious as the pieces fall in place. Bringing in a bunch of new characters for a few eps in your final season to move your story along is really not the strongest writing one could imagine. The temple was basically used to bring a certain group of people together and get some of them (the ones needed to tell more story later in the season) to follow Un-Locke. Once that goal was reached they just went and killed off all the people they didn't need anymore. It just doesn't make a whole lot of sense if you really think about it. I understand they now have an end to reach and they have to get the characters to that point. But it just feels way too convenient. It's the first thing I said in this thread; resolution vs revelation. Two different things entirely.
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...Conan The Barbarian this afternoon. The part at the end when Thulsa is gettin' all dramatically preachy (right before he looses his head) and his followers are chanting "dooooooooooom" "dooooooooom" immediately made me think of this thread. Damn Lost. Interruptin' muh Conans.
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... But he can call Smokey's attention to something. Despite what he thinks, Smokey IS there to protect the Island, and he knew the Mercs were bad guys. So he took them out. Also, you could argue he did it to protect Locke, to continue his plan to get around the loophole.
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Or has he moved past that now that the loophole plan has been put into action? I ask that because his plan now is to leave the island. So maybe he doesn't have the literal NEED to protect it anymore. Or maybe he does and that's all or part of what causes the eventual sinkage.
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I skipped a couple weeks of talkbacks because it was just all way too much weirdness for me. I needed to get in a few hours of the show before I came back to these discussions. That being the case I skipped the talkback where the kid telling Un-Locke "you can't kill me" would have been discussed. So, do you guys think Jacob isn't really dead? If not, who the hell was that kid and why can only Hurly see big Jacob? (Other than the obvious, because that's what Jacob wants.) Apologies for going back and off track a bit.
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To whoever mentioned Terry O'Quinn's manboobs up above, good call. I wasn't sure if I was really seeing what I thought I was seeing. I guess I was. Manboobs they are.
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Brilliant idea there, anotherdeadkitten. Absolutely brilliant. I hope Romero wrote that in the book he's releasing this year.
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True Jaka
Have said before I would like to see the ending be about Jack and the Losties rebelling against both Jacob and Smokey, no more manipulation, time to leave us (humans) alone and let us "grow up". If you were a fan of Babylon 5, really liked the way they handled it at the end of season 4, Vorlons and shadows moving on, younger races realising it was time to step up. -
He was there to protect it while Jacob was alive. And he hated it. But Jacob is dead. And so is his job.
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For one, we needed to see the Temple as it has been talked about since season 3. So we finally got it. We understand that its a refuge for the Others. It can be protected against Smokey. It also has the Fountain of Youth that doesn't work when Jacob is dead. It WAS important for us to see that, so for anyone who says the Temple was useless and "obviously" (total disagreement there) only written in as a means to get characters to a certain place (which is really how ALL shows work), I disagree completely. It gave us insight into Others' culture, it showed us how they can be constantly healed, it showed us that NOWHERE on the Island is safe from Smokey now. It was important, despite what you may think.
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Sorry, dude...No, I wasn't singling anyone "out"...and I believe I meant to type CROW & Vader....but typed Dark instead.
I believe you & I are in agreement that the Dogen & Sayid fight was awesome. I understand Crow's (?) desire to have SOMEONE....ANYONE...to be allowed to FINISH A GODDAMN SENTENCE on the show. That's fine....and true most of the time... But in this case....IMHO...There was nothing more that needed to be said.
The smack-fu finished Sayid's sentence.
BTW...Vader....you reminded me of something that will help to clarify my resistance to pigeon-holing the "Man of Science, Man of Faith" as a religious metaphor. Let's get ready to time travel, folks...to a well known year...(Screeching sound effect to...)
1977
I was 12. A tiny lil movie called STAR WARS had been out a few months...I had seen it a dozen times...made my own R2-D2 out of a discarded trash can...had the majority of the main characters in the Kenner action figure collection (WTF did I take those damn things out of the box? More on that later...)
One day...the Sunday paper came...and there in the "Perspectives" section...was an awesome painting of Obi Wan looking reverent and determined...with Darth Vader's ominous black helmet looming behind him. Really awesome portrait...it drew me in instantly. I began reading the article "Theologians Weigh In On Star Wars Message of Christianity"...The article went on to talk about "The Force" and its many links to religion...and how George Lucas was pushing his own divine "beliefs" into young minds...and whether its good vs evil, black vs light themes related to the Bible and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
I distinctly remember finishing the article and thinking to myself..."Man...they just sucked all the FUN out of a really great movie". The portrait of Ben & Vader I clipped out and saved. The article, however?...Not so much.
That's exactly how I feel about LOST becoming a giant biblical allegory or religious morality tale. Yes...I certain appreciate all the allusions...and I get the references...but I don't put any more stock into the religious nods than I do to the ones that nod to "The Wizard of Oz"....or "Alice In Wonderland".
In the end...I just want LOST to be FUN. Religion tends to have a very polarizing effect on people...and I have a feeling the end of LOST is going to be polarizing enough, without stacking the institution of religion on top of an already precarious perch. I think it's unnecessary...They could leave the religious overtones as vague as Lucas tried to do with "The Force". People will still pick LOST apart...dissecting it's evangelitical meanings loooong after the May finale...and beyond. Darlton just doesn't need to 'hang their hats' on it entirely.
To me...that would suck the fun out of it. BTW...why did I open my original Kenner Star Wars toys...and actually played with them?
Cuz...it was FUN! Take another trip back in time here...Mind the nosebleeds...and the spaces!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GqR1q0vaSs
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I didn't actually say the temple wasn't important, or that it was useless. I was mostly talking about the new characters and the way they were used. If the same story points had been used with existing characters it would have felt more real for me. I can certainly agree with some of you points, though. It was cool to see it since it had been talked about previously. It also fits with the lighthouse showing up, as well as seeing the inside of the tunnel and the "foot of the statue" last season. Revealing new locations is part of the show, so I can deal with that. Lastly, and I think most important, it did show that Smokey could go wherever he wanted. But really, I don't think there is anything that happened at the temple that couldn't have been done someplace else on the island with pre-existing characters.But again, I'm not trying to stir the pot here. It just felt like convenient writing to me. It didn't ruin my enjoyment of the show at all (so far).
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And not religious. Because being mythological means it can pretty much encompass EVERY religion with its stories and morality plays, whereas saying its religious pigeon-holes it, as Cheif Brody so astutely pointed out, and usually refers to one religion, or a few, in particular. Which is polarizing. Does it need to be religious? Do we need an explanation for WHO gave Jacob and Smokey their jobs? I'd like to think no. I don't need that explanation. I'd prefer that Jacob and Smokey don't have much of a memory of what happened before they landed on the Island. That's explanation enough for me, honestly.
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Agreed, and well said.
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Mar 04, 2010 10:20:06 PM CST
anyone who thinks a show can completely divorce itself of
by billboefett
any religious inspiration or influence is already a high priest in the order of the Church of Secularism, anyways.
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...who was the kid that told Un-Locke "you can't kill me" or was it "him"... or "aren't allowed to kill me"? Whatever. Y'all know what I'm talking about, right? That's been buggin' me since that ep aired. Was it a new Jacob? Aron? Apologies for being dumbuh on this point. But it's definitely one I haven't sussed out just yet.
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So I must ask, and forgive me for it, but are you saying you'd have preferred they went over the same story points at a location we'd been to before, like the Beach Camp? With Others we already knew who weren't dead? Like if Cindy was the Temple Master? Is that what you mean? I don't understand the "convenient writing" argument, mainly bc I don't see it as convenient. I understand the idea of "moving the pieces" and how some could see past episodes of being guilty of that (though I disagree that that's something one should be guilty of, bc it suggest negativity and wrongness), but I believe the Temple had a purpose. And it served its purpose. And I'm glad I saw it and I'm glad the past few episodes took place there. But, like Hydra Island, it served its purpose and its over. And I'm glad it happened there rather than somewhere we'd been before. But here's something I'll address. And this isn't to offend you, Jaka, or anyone else, but its something I don't understand as a storyteller. When someone says something like this: "I don't think there is anything that happened at the temple that couldn't have been done someplace else on the island with pre-existing characters," I don't quite understand the reasoning behind it, bc it seems to suggest the better story would have been to not have a new location?
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Not many peole here seemed concerned that Scott, Steve, Lance, Joanna, Gary, Sexy blue striped shirt girl, blonde casualty, Neil etc. etc were deemed "Red Shirts" - characters created to die, to show that the Island was filled with unnatural dangers and the build the shows dramatic tension.Look at the death counts among the Tailies, Dharma, the Frieghties (science team and mercs).Lost has always introduced crowds of people who exist only to die.So why gripe now that so many of the Temple Others, including Dogen and Lennon, turned out to be Red Shirts, existing to forward the plot and ratchet up the drama and danger? Dogen had a role to play, complete with a (verbal) flashback, and got to fight for his life, unlike gutshot Libby and knife-in-the-back Naomi. Lennon got a few cools scenes and some funny lines. The rest died a glorious action-packed death at the hands of Old Smokey.So, what else is new? And how many non-815ers in the Let's follow NonLocke crew do you think will make it to the finish line. Cindy and the kids aren't safe yet, dammit. On this show, no one ever is. Unless they're named Jack, Kate or Sawyer.I just hope Rose and Bernard had a long happy life before they were laid side by side in that cave...
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Thanks for responding, and good answer. A show is just a show. Kudos, my friend.
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By the way, that wasn't sarcastic. I agree, we all think too much, sometimes.
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One that causes a lot of arguments: the distinction between preference and what one thinks is actually "better". Better is qualitative, and one person saying "it would be better if..." does stir the pot, bc it suggests that person knows best. Saying "I would have preferred..." is different and can't be argued against, because its opinion and subjective. I think too often on this board we mix those distinctions up, and that causes problems. For instance, Jaka, if you say you'd prefer the Temple action happened somewhere else, I'd disagree with you, but say "cool, to each his own." But if you said putting the action at the Temple was dumb and unneeded, well that's where the argument starts. Not saying that's what you did, just using you as an example. Also I'm drunk at this point and might have a tendency toward rambling, so forgive me =).
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Have you read any Joseph Campbell? Myths are part of the human condition. They have always existed and always will. They're how our stories have survived for thousands of years. How they choose to use them (in the end) and/or explain them on Lost will go a long way towards how I view the entirety of the show when it's over. I think it's clear that they wanted people notice the clear references to Christianity in the show. But I'm not completely sure they ever intended it to have any kind of a Christian message. That's a point I tried to make a few weeks ago and got the crap smacked out of me for it. I believe (heh) they're just using those touchstones to twist the viewer around like they have with everything else. But it is funny (to me anyway) how easily we'll accept hieroglyphics (that people can read), smoke monsters, giant statues, time travel, nuclear bombs exploding but not killing everyone, lighthouses that see into distant locals of plain crash survivors on a lost island, but as soon as you mention religion there's instantly a line drawn in the proverbial sand.
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and whats the deal with all ur ((((( ))))) lol?? sounds like u like giving too much luv brotha. anyway, at least u know ur the beeaatchh of this relationship soooo.... go get me some wings and beer woman!! and not from Pizza Hut this time dammit....freakin talkback beeeectheess...
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Eh, you know, you and Vikki both make good points. As I already mentioned, I'm not trying to baste the turkey (better than stir the pot? lol... ehh, maybe not). I guess I'm at this point, in order to not insert my foot too far into my mouth, I'm going to just say that I'm still undecided on some of this stuff. After all, we could end up back at the temple with any number of other characters before seasons end. All I can say is that, while I have REALLY liked some of what's happened with the main characters, I haven't always like how it's happened. I think that's the simplest way I can describe it. I still dig the show immensely, it just feels different too me since the two-hour LA X premier. Quite honestly the thing I'm most stoked about at this particular moment is that the board is having a discussion instead of an argument.
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That sounds more like a sexual euphemism, so I'd prefer we not use it round here, Jaka =).
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....red shirts! I just have too much love for Star Trek. Only Red Shirts get to be Red Shirts! Grrr!
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But I didn't realize it until I'd hit post and re-read what I'd written. No further basting of turkey's shall take place. You have my word on that.
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It's an internet hug, yo! ((((( jay2517 ))))) Gettin' our bromance on, dont'cha know.
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I can live with that. Fo sho.
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now we get to hear jaka moan about "FOR ME" arguement ad naseum. this episode didnt do it "for me"...that didnt happen the way i liked it "for me" blah blah...we get it jaka. now go get my WINGS BEEETCHHH HA!!
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... And guys who pop out of cabins wearing a red-colored shirt, only to get shot by a mercenary... is a Red Shirt =).
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I think using the "For me" argument works a lot better around here than the "It sucked because... " or "It would have been better IF THEY DID THIS...."
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Ahhh, you're adding so much to the conversation I just don't know how to respond. Far too much insight and intelligence for me. You've clearly read everything I've said, completely dismantled it and schooled me in every way possible. ......... yawn.
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"What's relevant to us might not be relevant to you and vice versa. What's irrelevant to us might be very relevant to you, but we're writing our version of the show, and we can't really be put in a position to apologize for it. We'll take our lumps, but at the end of the day,we all know and we've said said publicly on many, many occasions that we can't possibly answer every question that people have."
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talkback with the discussion of the kid in it? I'm terrible at finding old threads here.
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u have the most thought out, well constructed, concise and to the point FUCKING BITCHING i have ever read on these talkbacks. its like a ROOT FUCKING CANAL to read all of'em--and i do so gimme some respect there-- but its just freaking repetitive man....repetitive...
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u SO schooled me brotha...ive been pwned!! lol
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I didn't have the quote (or a quote), but I've mentioned on numerous occasions that they've made that kind of statement (more than once). However, I also have clear memory of them saying (once, long ago) that they may not have an answer for the numbers. That was a big one for me and I think they did a fine enough job with that. Smoke monster reveal was another big one. If they can hit a few more big ones before seasons end without making any major stumbles I think most people will at least be OK with it. But man I hope I'm like, all jumping up and down happy with what they decide is "relevant" instead.
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The kid didn't say "You can't kill me." The kid said "You can't kill HIM." We're not sure who the him is, but the Locke-ness Monster was walking with Sawyer at the time.
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And was referring to Jacob, reminding him that he did something wrong. Even though HE didn't kill Jacob, in reality... yeah, he did.
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Could that be because I'm not fucking bitching? Could it be because I actually have well thought out opinions of a show I've been watching for years? And you aren't reading my posts at all or you'd know that they aren't repetitive in the least. They're responses to what others are discussing. They're realizations brought about from thinking long and hard about other peoples opinions of the show. You see, I'm able to read what other people have to say, process it, and change my mind about something if I think they have a valid point. In fact, I actually enjoy it. I know that I have a very clear grasp of what has gone on and is going on with this show. I also know that I don't believe it's all as deep as some people and that, by nature, I won't blindly follow whatever plot twist the creators and writers throw at us, wanting us to believe it's so "incredible" and "revelatory". It's a great show, but I'm a skeptic about a lot of what's going on until they prove otherwise. There's nothing wrong with that and it actually leads to (what I think) are some pretty cool conversations. However, I'm also 100% cool with you wasting as much time as you like trying to get me to react. I won't. Never again. Ever. You can bet on it. Hugs. : ) (((((( jay2517 ))))))
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After I wrote it a couple times I thought it might have been "him", not "me". That would imply that it wasn't a new Jacob, but that he WAS speaking ABOUT Jacob. Cool, that pretty much fits with what I think is going on. Thanks again.
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drink one for me as i will u brotha...anyway... my main argument with Jaka is that he ties his "for me" bitching into "well they should have done this". they're the same bitchiness just "repackaged"....ugghh. just tired of reading through them
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He was walking with Sawyer, so he might have been saying he can't kill HIM. Gaarrrr! lol
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He's just got a big giant man crush on me.
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LOL. u do sound like a typical NAGGING WOMAN. wow. they think they're ALWAYS correct in their assumptions too. for someone who thinks this show is "GREAT" u do have a weird way of showing it??? twists and turns...to u thats not a smart storytelling device....and when they "do prove otherwise" u gonna BITCH about that too???? HMMMM???
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Because Sawyer is a Candidate and can't be killed.
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see what happens when u actually PROCESS THE WHOLE EPISODE??? ur last post just proves my arguments lol....
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...how badly do you want my cock? I've explained to you several times that I have one, but you keep flirting with me. Are you just wanting to experiment, or is this your big coming out? Regardless, you're not my type. I prefer something between the ears and a vagina between the legs. It's very flattering that you like me so much, though. I mean, why else would you continually quote and tease me so? ((((((( jay2517 )))))
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Its okay to think "they should have done this instead" because really, that's a reflection of preference, something we'd rather see. That's okay and different than saying "it would have been better/smarter to do this instead." So come one, please. I seem to be the only one awake in the middle of this and I don't really wanna see it!
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And your last post proves my point. You're making arguments. The rest of us are having a discussion.
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And liable to get interested in something else quickly. Actually, I think I'm almost done with my work and need to be heading to bed soon. I'll be seeing you cats later!
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Apologies. But really, I'm just playin' with it. No tension on my end. I don't know what has jay's panties all in a bunch to be honest. He just started attacking me one day because my opinion was different than his and he hasn't stopped since. Really, it's a REAL mystery to me. *shrug*
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u and lostboy can keep ur homoerotic shit to urselves lol.
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someone who HAS to go out of their way to say they're hetero ad naseum....usually are'nt....just saying miss jaka...just saying....
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u just disguise it as "discussion". as i said VERY TIRESOME to read through....
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Must not be that tiresome since you seek out, read and comment on everything I write, you sexy think you. You keep on like this and I'm going to have to ask for your number. Raaarrr. (((((( jay2517 )))))
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I think they'd built the Temple up enough that they had to introduce at least ONE new character to be the Temple Leader. Richard Alpert was on the beach at that point with the Ajira people and Ben Linus. When you say they could have done it with existing characters, the obvious question would be: WHO? All the other Others viewers would be familiar with from previous seasons are DEAD.See jay2517, you can point out errors in someone else's thinking without being mean about it.
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God destroys Smokey, and then Moses shows up and parts the ocean. Everybody walks home. The end.
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i try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt u know. no one's more "right" than the other. U JUST BITCH AND MOAN....thats it. then u say wah wah im trying to "discuss' Lost wah wah... like i said VERY TIRING...
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me and my buddy Bud Light get EASILY frustrated with nagging woman. plus, it was a long day and drive from the auto auction.
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Oh that made me laugh =).
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Oh that made me laugh =).
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Mar 04, 2010 11:37:18 PM CST
HEY...gives me an idea...ill go all Dances with Wolves on lady j
by jay2517
ill call her Nagging Woman That Sits On Cock....nice ring to it. should stir up my "gayness" towards her lol....
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i didnt go to Charlotte today i want up north to fredericksburg. thats actulaay near where HOBOCODE'S from. so i no stalking of u lol...
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I had no idea he was so close. The only auto auction I can remember/think of is the one in Darlington by the Speedway. I pass it every year on the way to Myrtle Beach.
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fredericksburg is 45 miles south on 95. i drive up on wednesday for the auction on thursday. thats why i dont post alot on wed. the only access i have is the hotel computer.
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dont like it too much...charlotte either. have more luck in fred. brotha...
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Are you a trader? Or do you work for a dealership? Do you just buy and sell like someone on eBay? How does it work?
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Although I totally see your point, they had plenty of time to get other (already existing) characters to the temple.
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Its been a fun night. TTFN!
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If "no one's more "right" than the other" then why are you taking the time to pick out my comments, which are far less offensive than many others, to repeatedly tell me how wrong they are? Jesus you're an utterly transparent and completely vapid black hole of stupidity. I really don't understand why you want me to react badly. You have nothing to say about the show, yet I clearly do. You say I'm tiresome, yet you've repeated the same comment about 10 times now. Lay of the sauce, chief. And really, it's not very hard to stir up your gayness because you keep outing yourself. Tiresome indeed. Done with your nonsense now. I will never, ever ever ever ever respond to anything you say. : ) Buh-bye. ((((( jay2517 )))))
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It didn't, really. Everything that happened could have been accomplished without introducing and then quickly killing some new characters that were used for nothing other than conveniently moving the story along to the parts that actually matter.
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The Others are still mysterious and thus might still know how to fight Smokey or how to protect the LOSTies from him. Its about building and killing tension; that's why it was Others and not pple we already know. Plus, I think its obvious Smokey has a grudge against them ("I am SO disappointed in all of you!") and we got to see how he dealt with that.
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But I think its important for "character" and mood/suspense.
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but fuck answers, how about Giacchino's score after the massacre...never heard anything like that on LOST before. Love the fact that MG is adding new shit this late in the game. Apologize if this has been mentioned already.
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I wish we would have gotten more of him, but thought that him dying raised the stakes more since he was the Temples protector.
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Love his music and I met him at a signing and he's really humble and nice.
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Mar 05, 2010 12:29:11 AM CST
Jaka, what you last said to me on Joseph Campbell and myth
by billboefett
seems fine to me brotha. No worries mate. Peace.
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....Smokey vs The Others grudge. I also agree about using it for mood and suspense - it was there. But when it was over and I really thought about it, well, you already know. And it was a nice reveal that they could no longer protect themselves or the Losties from Smokey. But that just leads me to the question of how Jacobs death made that possible (not a complaint, just a question). Because clearly, while Jacob was alive, Smokey couldn't bust into the temple and stomp on fools. Not something I necessarily care if they explain it or not. But it is one of the many things I've been thinking about. Be interesting to see who he takes out next week (if anybody). I'm also interested to see if the sonic fences come into play again before seasons end (since it appears some folks may need some protection).
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Gooooo Giachinno!!
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Name an Other we've seen before that isn't dead or didn't go to the beach with Richard to find Jacob? I'm not being a dick. I'm over on Lostpedia right now trying to come up with somebody.I personally think it would have been cool if CINDY had become the Temple Leader in Richard's absence. That would have illustrated to the audience and to the characters how LONG 3 years really is. While they were trying to escape, off Island, time traveling etc, she would have been so immersed in being an Other that she would have become one of the Leaders.
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I'm afraid its just foreshadowing to prepare the viewer to where LOST can go.. meaning, our core people are going to start getting offed one by one :(
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If Smokey is there to protect the island, what do you feel that Jacob is? Do you think it's a deal where Smokey doesn't want to be stuck there protecting the island but Jacob is there to make sure he does? And I may be remembering wrong, but didn't Ben summon him with an electrical control panel?
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Mar 05, 2010 12:40:30 AM CST
DUDE!! Did just spot heiroglyphs on Christian Shephard's
by billboefett
manilla folders that Jack's mom was rifling through just before she found the will? Sure looks like it. They would be where the labels normally go to help separate the subjects of each folder's contents. I could swear I saw what looked like a crescent moon and some other egyptian-esque glyphs!
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What I would like to find out, is how Cindy could go from a point where she's kidnapped in the jungle to a mentality of acceptance of the Others when she met Jack in the Polarbear cages. Was it Stockholms Syndrome or something else?
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cymbal - No argument with you on that - I can't think of one either. They had to get from one point to another with the Sayid/Un-Locke relationship (one that didn't exist before) and they did a fine enough job of making it interesting and exciting. It wasn't until Dogen and Lennon were just all of a sudden dead, like, BLAM! that I was like, "well, that's kinda weak, couldn't they have done that another way without introducing new characters to just kill them off three weeks later?" I understand that's not out of line with the history of the show. But this is the sixth season, characters should already have been introduced and established to whatever point they needed to reach to tell the story. I think they've done a great job of that with pretty much every other major and minor character. It would be cool if Cindy had had a bigger role in the show, I agree there completely. Maybe she'll be part of the next show. (whistles) Anyway, like I said above, the only other option would have been for them to work the already existing relationships so to create the Sayid/Un-Locke relationship. They're talented folks, so I think they could have done it.Billboe - Yerp! I totally agree. I'm thinking there aren't going to be very many people left alive in island time. It's possible that if the conclusion does involve the island sinking that nobody will be left alive in island time.
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Ben summoned smokie by pulling a drain of murky water underneath his house. Which again hints at the smokie = water, and Jacob = fire
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I think both Jacob and Smokey are supposed to protect the Island, albeit in different ways. Now that Jacob is dead, Smokey doesn't have to fulfill his part of the bargain. And Ben summoned Smokey with a mystical... drain.
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We heard that from Danielle, but she was infected just like Claire and Sayid so Im wondering how relyable that could have been.
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Already existing character relationships to create the new Sayid/Un-Locke relationship. Man I CRAVE an edit button. But I'm sure you got what I was trying to say.
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I realize that there are several characters in the show that are deeply religious, but by saying I'll be disappointed if it turns out to be religious in nature, I meant the fundamental aspect of the show. I don't want it to be that simple, like Jacob is an angel and he's keeping the devil away from the world. In fact if I had the choice I would rather see it go hard science fiction at the end instead of religious.
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don't forget her brief chat with Locke. I think it was room23! the IRC channel!
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But he's tired of being on the island (we know this), jaded and acting out against his responsibility (something some of us can relate to, I'm sure).
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Danielle heard that it was a security system from her infected husband, right before she shot him. I don' think she was ever infected, personally.
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I don't remember that part. Ben seriously has a love/hate relationship with the MIB.
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...I'm speaking in the very long term. It's clear we're supposed to believe that they've been there a very, VERY long time. And that over that period of time different peoples have inhabited the island (some longer than others... no pun intended). Anyway, I'm sure some of you have far more info on this than me since I only watch the show. But from recent seasons we know that Dharma hasn't been building there all that long in relation to the length of time Jacob and Smokey have been kickin' it there. I'm not sure what relation this has to how or when he decided to be a bad smokey instead of a good smokey, but I definitely got the impression that he wasn't always so much "evil incarnate" (which may not even be the truth).
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That conversation was somewhere between the Barracks and the temple when the Others were headed there. I can't remember the conversation though, did she say why she didn't hate them for kidnapping her?
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And then Smokey appeared and did damage. I remember that. Also, maaaaan would I be happy if it went hard science fiction at the end. My gut tells me it's not, though. My gut tells me the end is going to be more ambiguous than that. An answer, with questions. Which pretty much sums up how Lost has always been.
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When I type I have to wait for it to show up. Is anyone else having that problem?
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Just bc Claire has been on her own, like Rousseau, and setting traps, doesn't mean she was infected like her husband was.
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...cursor line. This thing | - it just disappears. *shrug*
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That's the Fun of Lostpedia. We forget sometimes that literally EVERY male Other who'd been given a name and a speaking role (and wasn't already dead) was killed on the beach in the Season 3 Finale! 10 of them went on that mission and none of them came back. With Ben and Richard with the Ajira people, they HAD to create some new male Others or let the women run the Temple. Aldo was still there but he got killed by Claire this season. And Justin, the black guy she axed, wasn't introduced until this season either.Goodnight everybody.
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Gotta be up and coherent in less than 6 hours. Thanks to all those who discussed this with me. It's very much appreciated. Peace.
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I remember reading somewhere that Darlton said they weren't going to spoonfeed answers to everyone, that they were going to leave a few things open to be interpreted and debated by the fans, so yeah, I think you're right about the ending.
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Mar 05, 2010 1:39:30 AM CST
Death count for this island, must be getting up there
by miyamoto_musashi
between, Dharma - Purge, most of the survivors of Flight 815, the Ajira survivors and the Others, a lot of bodies.
But only more to come, have not read spoilers, but I don't have a lot of hope for Miles, Illana or Frank (though would be cool to see Frank make it). Ben probably won't make it to the end
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It's one of the few talkbacks where people are intelligent and (for the most part) nice to each other.
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Just sayin.
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Im planning on staying on the finale talkback, but that will only go until 10,000 posts and then its white screen of death time like we did to the Season 3 finale talkback.
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says I been posting for 40 years, 10 weeks ??
-but the earliest post I can see is from just over 3 years ago - and there's a good half dozen empty pages after that...?
anyhow...
I'm still not even halfway down the TB so far (which is why I only just found out you can track your own posts) so this is a ripple from a stone that was thrown into the pond waaaay back up there...
Colegegraduit - your post about Kodak made me laugh because I actually remember back around 1996 going to a Kodak seminar on film stock and shit (film school days) and this whole presentation on grading and what it's made out of and grainage and even some raw footage from Mad Max and then at the end of it was the "any questions?"
well, being the young, arrogant, know-it-all I was (as opposed to the old, arrogant know-it-all here today) I shot up the hand and asked them pretty bluntly "so what about this new Digital thing that's been starting to become a reality?" - and their answer - I literally quote word for word because I'll never forget what the guy said:
"we're not interested in Digital" (and now I paraphrase) because it's all very good and well what you can do digitally these days but you will never replace film - and we are a film company...
ironic, considering Kodak brought out one of the first digital cameras (for professional photographers) the previous year...
ok so now back to Lost, another stone, another ripple...
some ppl were talking about the Lighthouse being MIB's and the cave being Jacob's - coz Jacob "hates technology" and therefore the Lighthouse is far too techy for him.. Actually I don't think Jacob hates technology at all - if anything probably MIB is more likely to...
the only reason people ASSUME Jacob "hates technology" is because Ben mentioned this to Locke when visiting the Cabin - ASSUMING that was Jacob in the cabin hating on tech all that time... if you consider, among other indicators, the season finale last year - Jacob and MIB on the beach - Jacob has been getting into weaving, is cooking with fire, using a knife - I think Jacob LOVES technology and if anyone is going to hate it, it's MIB who preferred his own breakfast and didn't like the look of that ship on the horizon and takes every opportunity to smash bits of plane and temples and whatnot...
-oh, and hates Sonic Fence technology too
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I can't remember it off the top of my head but there is a bookmark you can set to scroll to the bottom of a page in safari. I use it all the time; I'm pretty sure you can find it through google.
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"...one of the few talkbacks where people are intelligent and nice to each other."Wow, and they say sarcasm doesn't come across in print.No seriously, the AICN Lost talkbacks over the years have contributed greatly to my enjoyment of the LOST phenomenon.Of course every year there are a few regular trolls, a lot of random one time or part time temporary trolls, and then the people who make the mistake of trying to talk to trolls, argue with trolls or fight back against trolls and do as much damage to the decorum and intellect level of the talkback as the trolls. Of course I can't say how many of those folks there are. On average, about 3,114. (10 points to the first person to figure out what that number is the average of.)
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The rumors are true.
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Stay up to date here:
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Body_count
Featuring cool tidbits like:
There was an Other named...BAXTER! (he died in the Purge, unless he left the island before then). He was likey very wise...like a miniature Buddha...covered in hair.
Every survivor of Flight 815 who has been killed with a handgun has been killed with a Beretta M92 semi-automatic.
Think of the poor souls updating THIS fuckin page! First it was easy...just keeping track of the original 48 survivors...ooops!...Here come "The Others"....YIKES...There's a lot of them!!
Oh, oh!! There are MORE 815 survivors on the other side of the island? Tailies? Holy Crap! Greaaaat...a giant open pit of dead Dharmites. Anyone got a calculator?
Wow...lotsa folks are dying in these Flashbacks!!
FLASH FORWARDS?!! WTF!!! Who is the Lapidus guy?
OMG!! A boatload of Mercs to keep track off...oops...Smokie just killed a fuckload of mercs in the dark jungle....anybody see how many? And who is this Patchy muthafucker? He's alive...no...wait...he's dead...hold it...he's alive...um, no...he's dead...nope alive again...Ahhhh....finally DEAD (we think)!!
Holy crap! A ton of red shirts just bought it on the beach with flaming fuckin arrows!!! I've lost frickin count here!! Awww...Sayid shot & killed lil Ben...but wait...Adult Ben's still alive? So...how do we score that?
Where are we now? Now what?1974...1977...Holy shit there's a LOT of Dharma & Hostiles gettin capped!
Ok...here's Jacob....maybe the killing will slow down now. Oh, wait...the dude in black wants to kill JACOB! FUCK!! Oh, snap! Ben killed Jacob!! But wait...Jacob's still wanderin around! WHY THE FUCK DID JOHN LOCKE JUST FALL OUT OF THE BOX DEAD ON THE BEACH?!!! WHO THE FUCK ARE ALL THESE TEMPLE IDIOTS?!!! Sayid's dead...uh...hold on a tick...he's alive again?!! JESUS CRIMINEY CHRISTMAS...Smokie just killed a shit ton of the red shirt Temple guys!!
THAT'S IT!! I FUCKIN GIVE UP!!! SCREW THIS!! I'M WATCHING IDOL FROM NOW ON!! NOBODY DIES ON IDOL!!
Well....not on purpose, anyways.
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The Crying Game it is then. The island is a cock.
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"What I would like to find out, is how Cindy could go from a point where she's kidnapped in the jungle to a mentality of acceptance of the Others when she met Jack in the Polarbear cages. Was it Stockholm Syndrome or something else?"Hmmm, interesting theory. Kidnapped and held captive by gun-totin' gay hillbilly pirates with control over her life, death and access to food and drinkable water, she might have come to identify with her captors.Or bitterness at the realization that she's been kidnapped and nobody from the tail - or from the main fuselage group she's heard of but never actually met more than a few representative of - simply never tried to rescue or even look for her. Once they got to the main group at the beach, did Ana Lucia ever try to organize a rescue party for all the tailies, including "the children" that the Others had taken? Did anyone even wonder if those who'd been taken were still alive?But I still don't think we've seen anything to contradict the theory Nappy posted a few years ago: Cindy was and is concerned about the welfare of Zach and Emma, the children placed in her charge. Two little kids kidnapped by armed strangers. They had to be panicked, scared, traumatized. And assuming they weren't flying trans-Atlantic by themselves can we assume they may have just seen their parents die in a plane crash? And Cindy helped keep them calm and safe and fed and, possibly, educated in basic survival skills or whatever else she or the Others felt they needed to learn. She went from flight attendant to caregiver and nanny/governess and protector. Three year later we see them still lurking under her wings like baby ducks - older, capable of following her instructions and accomplishing basic tasks. She has raised those children to be productive contributors to a very strange society. Whether she has been assimilated into Other culture completely or merely done what needed to be done to keep her charges alive while awaiting rescue remains to be seen. Given she even knows that NonLocke is something horribly not human, given the choice between "follow me" and "stay here and die" she stepped up and spoke out immediately for joining Team NonLocke. Self preservation or protecting the children who were placed in her care three years earlier? Possibly some of both.On the plane she called attention to Charlies erratic behavior. In one version she got him locked in the john, in the other she may have saved his life.When J,K & S were taken to Bear Cage City and they were surrounded by armed thugs like Aldo and Tom Friendly, what could she have done, walked up to Jack and introduced herself? "Hi, I'm the stewardess who gave you extra vodka on the plane. I can't help notice that you're unarmed and being held captive by armed goons and I was just wondering, could you and your two friends in the bear cage drop what you're doing and rescue me and these two tail section kids who were kidnapped a couple months ago?" Jack: "Oh, sure, let me just do some spinal surgery on their leader and then threaten to let him die unless they let my friends go, then Juliet and I will either come get you or run away and forget you even exist, whichever seems easier at the time."Hmm, lets see, get on the chopper to the freighter and finally get off this island, or go try to rescue kidnapped children. Let's see.. (flips coin) What kidnapped children?"Those kids are sure lucky to have Cindy Chandler looking out for them, it sure doesn't look like anyone else is.
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WHERE did the Island go when Ben turned the Frozen Donkey Wheel?Nooo, not Tunisia...
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"3,114. (10 points to the first person to figure out what that number is the average of.)"Oh wait, I can divide by 2. 3,114 is the number exactly halfway between JonBiFett3711 and Jaka2517.Here's a riddle: "What is the purpose of Trolls in a LOST talkback?"
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"...riddle: 'What is the purpose of Trolls in a LOST talkback?'"I got that. You know how at the bottom of a can of cheap generic store brand Pork & Beans there's that tiny dice-sized cube of soft yellow-white pork fat and you're not proud of eating it, it's certainly not a gourmet delicacy, but it's sorta interesting and supposedly it adds flavor even though you know it's just crap? Trolls.
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Mar 05, 2010 9:29:39 AM CST
thoughts on alternate reality & LOST's denouement
by the new transported man
While it may seem that the alternate reality is a bunch of character drama filler, my impression is that it's the new default reality for the LOST characters, established by either The Incident or something that occurs at the series' end. "Darlton" has said that the end would be bittersweet, & that's what I'm getting from the alternate reality. On the whole, people are better off: Locke is engaged, Hurley's lucky & happy, Dogen didn't kill his son, Jack is stable, Sayid's love is alive & well, & there's more to come. On the other hand, Locke's still paralyzed, Rose still has cancer, Jack's still divorced, Kate's still on the lam, etc. And the island's under the sea (under the sea). My guess is that this isn't the "something ain't right" reality, it's the world that's been saved by changing the past, burying the island, or whatever else. And Jack's gonna be the touchstone b/w the (erased?) island reality & this new one. SPOILERALERT: Jack's supposed to have reflections of the island reality in the new one, & he's supposed to do this one big thing in the island reality that was described as the apex of his journey; I suspect that he sets the alternate reality, & (mostly) everybody lives happily ever after. I can get with that.
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So "the sickness" was Rousseau's companions having been "recruited" by MIB, as has happened to Sayid & Claire, both of whom have died, presumably. MIB can't kill candidates, so he was getting his new French recruits to kill Rousseau, a candidate, drawn to the island by Jacob, or simply fate. He didn't succeed, & Rousseau lived in isolation for 16 years, until being thrown under the bus, in one of my least favorite moments of LOST.
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She and Jack talked about it...Shouldn't she be freaked out to see him at the temple? Or maybe after so much weird shit on the island, she just rolls with it?
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so i guess i have to bring into question ur heterosexuality now right lol? or give u a hug (((((kitten)))) lol? i just call out incessant whiners and bitchers brotha. u know the type of "fan" that bitches abooot "why didnt they have some kind of set up scene showing how the characters got to the temple". ummm....did u need to see them fly in on a hang glider or swing in on a vine??? hey, if that gets on ur nerves i apologize. ur DEFINITELY not my favorite talkback poster to read either...far far from it....
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im a auto wholesaler. i work for myself. im the one who sells them to the retailers and people like CarMax. not too shabby for a "utterly transparent and completely vapid black hole of stupidity" lol. see Jaka we "3rd tier" fans ( as PA calls us im paraphrasing )DO have a life outside of Lost!!!
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after ALL she's seen and been through up to date...would'nt YOU roll with it too lol??? i was hoping MIB would kill her!! that bitch kate cant die soon enough brotha....
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*poom*
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and Ben pulls it loose, that would explain the title circling the drain
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Whats your theory? Where'd it go?
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Maybe smokey cant dig em up. That's why he carries the unburied dead around in his backpack. Can switch from form to form as circumstances dictate. Was Alex ever buried? Never got around to scooping up Locke's body, was in the metal container.
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....guess i didnt miss anythin new or interestin... btw TEAM PGCOUNTY!!!
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Were all buried. Miles had a pow wow with them...in the "3rd tier".
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But I', not holdin my breath on that one. I'd rather see Mikail again...sans eye patch...selling extra life insurance.
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This may have been posted above, but I can't be bothered to wade through thousands of posts. When Kate is looking up at the smoke monster in the shot of it going over her head and the pit - freeze frame and step through it frame by frame. There are people inside the smoke. That's why this show is awesome. Even if I'm seeing things that aren't there, the fact that the show is making me think I am says it all.
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She was wide eyed & horrified. She knew Locke was supposed to be dead. She's going with them to keep an eye on Claire. You don't have to be Sherlock Holmes to figure this stuff out.
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Seriously, it is alive.
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...not a fan of hers or anythin but imagine a Hurleycentric ep where he goes to a mental aslyum he owns and see Rou as a shrink helpin Libby...that would be neat
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Hugo: MA!!! Where's my bird?
Mom: Oh, Hugo...I let that thing fly away!
Hugo: What? WHY?!!
Mom: Cuz he just kept squawking 'Hurley, Hurley, Hurley' all day....it was driving me CRAZY!
Hugo: Thanks a lot, Ma. Took me months to get him to say that!
[Hurley looks despondently into a mirror. He checks his profile...rubbing his belly...a TV in the background suddenly catches his attention]
Mikail: Привет! I'm Mikail Bakunin. Have you died recently? Are you on your 5th, 6th or 7th life? Time may be running out! Are you accident prone? Do you walk into active sonic fences...or find yourself constantly getting shot by harpoons? At Canton Rainier insurance...we specialize in providing the best "extra" life insurance in the world. No need to fear getting stabbed or shot...or even blown up by a grenade any longer! We promise to keep re-newing your policy long after your 9th life has expired! If I'm lying I'll poke my eye out with this pencil!
[Mikail accidently pokes his eye out]
Mikail: Oooops! That's okay...we cover that, too! Lose an arm in a science experiment or smoke monster attack? No big deal! We even cover you fatties from your 6th heart attack!
[Hurley looks down at his belly]
Mikail: Don't rely on luck! Let Canton Rainier be your island of solitude when it comes to protecting you after life insurance needs! Call 481-516-2342 TODAY! До свидания!
Hugo: Man...that was weird!
Bird: HURLEY! HURLEY!
Hugo: Hey! Yer back!!Ma! My bird is back! OUCH!!!
[Hurley clutches his chest in intense pain. Mom enters]
Mom: What, Hugo?
[She sees Hurley face down on the floor. She rushes to his side]
Mom: HUGO!!! No!! My Baby!!
Bird: Raawrrrk! Hurley's dead!
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said somewhere that Michael gets to "apologize" to Libby. That seems like a major spoiler of some sort. How would that happen? And now we know Ana Lucia is coming back as well. Charlotte and Faraday also. It can't all be "Sideways" stuff can it? And if it is, it has to mean something or why bring all those actors back for pointless cameos?
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...forgot bout poisonous spiders tho
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ER did it in THEIR last season. Nice spoilings....Spoily McSpoilsport!
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I wish that wall of text was funny.
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If I included EVERY way someone has died on the show...it would have been an hour long commercial!
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Feel free to skip over my posts in the future. I'll be skippin over yours.
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Well the producers have made no secret that these actors are coming back. What they're coming back FOR is the Question, and I wouldn't spoil that even if I knew it. I guess I should have put a spoiler warning on what Harold said?
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TPTB aren't exactly keeping these returning characters a huge secret...but I have been avoiding them best I can....But yes, telling us WHY Michael was coming back treads heavily in spoiler land.
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Ben's been ominously quiet hasn't he - maybe he's this shows Gollum and his precious Island is in others hands but he's ready to take it back - right before he hits the lava pit - you heard it here first - 2LF's whacky theory no. 16754
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OK. To me a spoiler is leaked footage or someone posting a script online. If an actor blabs something in an interview, it's hard for me to tell who's seen it and who hasn't. I'll try to avoid that sort of thing in the future.
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...if its not aired from 9-10:02pm Tuesdays... but thats just Daddys thoughts...
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....I have no problem wit them... but the troll fighters are worst... whats worst tfs are LOST purists... "youre a hater cuz you want answers and youre watchin the wrong show!"... really? cuz i thought LOST was a mystery show... i mean, if it was a med drama we wouldnt watch at all and THOSE shows are bout character development
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Mar 05, 2010 2:40:15 PM CST
...in short, Riz and Jay are worse than my homie lostboy... *POO
by yourstepdaddy
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Consider yourself to be Jack. You've just realized after seeing the reflections in the lighthouse thatthey all've been watched for what could be their entire lives. Now you find out that "Evil Incarnate" has an army of followers, has "claimed" your sister and your friend, and that the person that tried to get you to prevent this from happening by asking you to kill your friend was right and is dead.
What would you do?
Now think about this. Evil Incarnate is lose on an island that travels through time and is trying to get off the island. And there's a frozen donkey wheel where you can make the island travel through time yourself.
What would you do?
But then you find out that people have been coming here and doing this for years upon years upon decades and longer than that. And you know this to be true because you know of people that have tried to find the island. And you come to the realization that no matter what you do, it's going to continue as long as Evil Incarnate is around and on that island.
What would you do?
I know what I'd do, but I'm not sure how I'd do it...how I'd contain Evil Incarnate.
If I could.
But I'm not Jack. I get to watch him from afar. I get to wonder these things, speculate on these things, and watch as these things unfold.
I must be Hugo, because I'm the luckiest man in the world.
Cheers
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Ok, it actually uses laser, not sound waves.
And it only kills mosquitoes.
But it's still pretty nifty!
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Set your DVRs for Monday's CSI Miami. Leslie will be a guest star as Caruso & Co investigate an axe murderer.
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Smokey is not in Non-John. Non-John is in Smokey. Part of the loophole was Nebuhc ..er Kka ..er.. evil incarnate, Non-John's ability to manifest out side of it. Smokey is Non-John's 'ride', his 'Reliant' as it were..is.
Nanobots.. Angel of Death.. Cerberus.. Djinn ( 3 years ago, Darkocity, node 31972) is all just semantics for similar notion. Smokey is the Marshal metaphor writ large. Smokey carry's the soul or energy or whatever, man, to the two pockets of energy. One Dark, One Light. One 30,000 times more powerful than the other. Which is which? Choices.
*The creaking sound in the 'flash-sideways' ..a scale tipping to and fro. The scale not only metaphor for the individual judged, but all the whole wide world. Choices. Kharma.
*The 2004 'realities' are streets of existence that run in parallel. But don't conjure them traveling East/West like a timeline. Rather, imagine them traveling North/South next to each other concurrent in time and space. One informs the other. The Island is a door (scale) in the center..that always moves in concert with the flow and weight of events. With both pockets of energy intact, the two streets continue unabated, for a time. The scale balanced but leaning in 'progress' towards 'it only end's once'. With one gone... the Streets begin to merge. Imagine those parallel North/South streets beginning to curve and bank towards one another. Now imagine all that in a minimum of 4 dimensions. Overlaying each other. Bloody finger post. Collision. Ceti Alpha VI Boom! Ceti Alpha V ...laid waste. Choices. Kharma. Taijitu.
*The Season 4 flash-forwards are/were one destination ahead. The bargains..promises made. The result of Non-John. It was never supposed to happen. Choices. Kharma. Taijitu. Heaven.
*Imagine the scene from Star Trek II WoK for the endgame- when the viewscreen is showing the tactical situation of the Enterprise/Kirk in relation to the Reliant/Khan orbiting the 'lifeless' rock of Regula emerging from the dark side...
"She can out-run us and out-gun us.
..There is the Mutara Nebula at
153 mark four."
LOST is not just Das Glasperlenspiel ..it is Kobayashi Maru. and Jacob doesn't like to lose.
http://khaaan.com/
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You are assuming a few things including that Jack knows smokey is evil incarnate or even that he's loose. And assuming Jack knows where the wheel is and can operate it.
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Is there any way you can stop using "conjure" that way? Also "feature". It's fucking dis-trac-ting!!
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hieroglyphs on Christian Shephards manilla folder Jack's mom was holding??
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I'd love to
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go right ahead. Look closely at the folders Jack's mom picks up just before finding the will
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Unless you're planning to make an entry for the Guiness Book of Records. Seems, that Talbackgammon is going to explode by discussion, trolling, bashing, whining, hating, loving, hugging and whatnotting. Do you guys keep record of the largest Talkback of this site, yet? Has there ever been a Talkback that simply was too big to be handled and just hadto be erased/closed? I suspect the one for the last episode of LOST could do the trick!? What do you have in mind, Hercules? No Talkback but an invitation to The Zone for the series finale? Or breaking records?
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...but i just believe in ignorin anything you have a problem wit (of course if there is a legitimate way of stoppin the problem, do it ie call 911, move somewhere else, murder, etc)... but i guess i should just take my own advice and ignore trollfighters...
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...the largest TB ever is when Harry retires/resigns/whatever... i heard at the end of the month due to his Alice review...
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since the great OPENMINDED Step likes giving out names...Steps is good 'ol Wes Mantooth- u know the dude that is really condescending,thinks hes never wrong, thinks hes all that but always finishes second to moi. Jaka is the Spanish/Latino station- u know always butting in and whining about really unnecessary "plot issues" that no one can really understand. and Kitten is the PBS station- u know the station no one pays attention too...so lets battle beetchess lol. and remember RULE #1 NO TOUCHING OF THE HAIR OR FACE....thats it!! NOW LETS DO THIS!!!!!!AAAIIIIIIYYYYAAAAIIIII!!!
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It would be cool if it was Juliet. They met in Med school, had a passionate thing going on. They have an oopsi and then an honurable shotgun marriage and wee Davy. Grow apart as those are want to do. And she was stilled 'marked' ..and she was re-married to James Ford.
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...they meet durin Fords (not Sawyer cuz there never was a Sawyer) flash sideways... and they bang...
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like jacob said...PROGRESS...
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ROTFLMFAO!!! And I was called a troll?! More laughing. Get a life and talk about Lost already. Geez.
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It's because I understand stuff that you don't, and I'm right! Doubt me? Well I'll see you in the finale talkback where you'll backpedal and call me names, instead of just calling me names. Silliness.
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washington post: Creators of 'Lost' say they won't tie up all those loose ends. Many of the questions posed during the run of "Lost" that have been keeping you up at night are never going to be answered on the show but will instead be tossed on the compost heap like an old turnip, because, the writers say, they have run out of time.
Lindelof told the capacity crowd at the Saban Theater.
"We're big fans of the show 'Top Chef,' " he explained. "Those guys all run through Whole Foods and they have to pull all of this stuff down -- they have to get stuff they might not use in the dish. When they get to the kitchen, they have to decide whether or not they're going to use it. Our process is kind of the same."
"There's a lot of little questions that unfortunately we just don't have time to answer in the amount of time that we have left," co-creator Cuse told the uber-fans.
What with trying to keep all the intertwining story lines straight, it's probably slipped his mind that the "time we lave left" was determined years ago by Cuse and Lindelof themselves, which would seem to suggest that running out of time was something they had, um, planned.
Back in May of 2007, ABC and the creative team behind the weedy tangle of a series announced the show would end in the spring of 2010. Nearly three years later, at the Paleyfest, Cuse said of any unresolved plot issues: "Ultimately, the way we look at it is that if the characters don't care about that question, then we as storytellers don't care about that question."
Of course, what the characters do and do not care about is decided upon by . . . well, Cuse and Lindelof, come to think of it. Because the characters are, you know, not real people.
These fine points seemed lost on the glassy-eyed fans who were madly tweeting every second of the big event. For example: Damon just spoiled that Santa isn't real, and there are kids in the audience. Uh-oh.
But those of us who have been able to resist the show's insidious ability to suck your brain out through your ear -- by shouting out nursery rhymes and performing other non-rhythmic tricks -- were sore as gumboils when panelists said we're out of luck if we're waiting to find out who exactly was the economist Sayid shot on the golf course. Apparently they heard from Sayid -- he couldn't care less.
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"We feel like the show should stand on its own," Cuse said. "We're actually not going to comment on the show after the finale. We want everybody to basically be able to continue the dialogue. . . . We don't think it's really appropriate for us to say, 'Oh, here is the official definition for what we meant by any particular moment on the show.' "
Let's recap, shall we? The show's creators say it's not appropriate for the show's creators to give the "official definition" of what they, the show's creators, meant by any particular moment on the show they created.
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...theres no reason ya cant make S7 or 8 or LOST: college years...
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....of herpes.
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...that a good many of us (who supposedly aren't paying attention and don't know anything) hadn't figured out long ago. All that matters now is what the DO decide to explain or answer before seasons end. I'm STILL of the same opinion that I've had since this season started. We're headed towards a showdown between the candidates (probably Jack) and Jacob's Ghost against Un-Locke and the Glassy Eyes. Jacob wants them to stay, Un-Locke wants them to leave. Island sinks. LA X time is the already happening end of story. No more answers forthcoming.
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This means that all the blog reading and podcasts and websites and viral web crap the writers and creators have been feeding you is probably mostly nonsense that will lead exactly nowhere.
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The Season 3 finale TB...During the hiatus between seasons 3 & 4.
Over 10k posts...then...the screen went to white and wouldn't open again.
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MY tests came back negative sooo...u need to talk my gynaco....errr doctor i mean lol. sorry baby!! ((((JAKA))))....
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great insight into the show from Darltons Podcasts.
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U can be the Brick Tamland of the talkback instead of lostBOYtexASS. he can be the Spanish station ok darlin'??
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and tell me if you can see egyptian heiroglyphs on the manilla folders that Jack's mom is going through just before she finds the Will
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this has huge implications if Christian was already exploring egyptian stuff pre-island
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yes sir lol.
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Mar 05, 2010 7:32:44 PM CST
calling my theater 2 see if they'll carry the LOST finale
by billboefett
on May 23rd. They had the Superbowl and this Sunday are playing the Oscars. Imagine a 2k digital HD feed with 5.1 sound on a giant screen and tons of huge speakers
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http://showbiz411.blogs.thr.com/2010/03/05/lost-returnees-brothers-and-sisters-renewed/
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The idea of the creator not commenting on the show so that people can form their own opinions is not some left-field idea.
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Cant remember who said it or where, but there's also some arabic words on those folders
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Am also in that camp, I think the island will provide Jack with this option through a manifestation, that is not Smokey/Jacob, Walt would have been cool, but maybe instead Christian, the manifestation will also help Jack understand what his choice will mean.
I think one of the things for speculation will be in regards to what was the deal with Jacob and Smokey, I think ultimately what they are doing is playing a game, everyone who has come to the island before thought that you were meant to win the game, i.e. Jacob's side is meant to stop Smokey's. But its not about that, its about saying no to being a pawn, its about the human race "growing up", Jack as our representative, turns the wheel to end this game -
Its interesting how While MIB keeps doing stuff Jacob so far has been one step ahead of him. Like how he knew that MIB would hit the Temple and so he got Jack and Hurley out of there beforehand. This might be a stretch, but if the boy works for Jacob then he also saved Sawyer.
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A plane crashes on some remote island, survivors form a camp and wait for rescue... but one by one they go missing.
They then come back as zombies that try to eat everybody else.
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WHO are Jacob and his Nemesis?WHAT is the Island?andWHY were all these Characters brought there and dragged into this Conflict?That's Pretty Much It.Most of the other "Major" Questions are just adjuncts of those three. Answer them and we can infer quite a bit.And then there's a whole mess of "minor" questions that fit quite neatly into "The Characters Don't Care About That So Why Should We?" Category.The Characters don't care about how food drops were able to find the Island after the Purge. They don't care about the Hurley Bird. They don't care about whatever Daniel Faraday was doing in Ann Arbor before he came back to the Island. None of them know Libby was in the mental hospital with Hurley or that she gave Desmond a boat.And so on...Even seemingly "Major" points of interest to Fans of the show mean nothing to the Characters themselves. Does Hurley need to know the backstory of the Black Rock? Does Kate wonder why Richard Alpert never ages? "The Rules" that mean so much to Ben Linus and Charles Widmore: do Jack and Sawyer have to follow them too?Remember the MacGuffin? Those plot devices that have no meaning or purpose other than to motivate Hitchcock's characters and move his plots along? Some of our Questions are the Opposite of a MacGuffin. They're vitally important to us. But the Characters could care less. Keep that in mind when you feel like complaining about answers you're not getting.
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Only because that's a choice the writer's make. The characters don't think on their own. To say the characters don't care about something is to say that the producers choose not to explain it, that's all.
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Question: Got some scoop for you: Neil Patrick Harris will play the live action lead in The Smurfs movie. Since I got you some scoop, how about some Lost scoop in return? —Antonio
Ausiello: Thanks for keeping me plugged-in, Antonio. Here’s your Lost scoop: If you’re expecting the Sawyer/Kate/Jack triangle to move front and center during these final 10 episodes, it may be time to start managing those expectations. “We’re moving into the endgame of the show [and] the stakes have moved beyond, ‘Who’s Kate going to pick?’ and into, ‘Is anyone going to be left alive?,’ says executive producer Damon Lindelof. “I hope [viewers are] going to be satisfied with what we’re doing, but we’re not writing a romance novel here. I understand in seasons past how that was much more relevant. We’re not neglecting it, but there’s a lot of fish to fry. The elements of the love triangle — Kate’s relationship with Jack, her relationship with Sawyer, Sawyer’s relationship with Juliet, who’s dead — are a huge part of the season. All that stuff is in play.” -
"What's that Watermelon doing there?" "I'll tell you later."
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Ah, whatever the case may be.
La mer
Qu'on voit danser le long des golfes clairs
A des reflets d'argent
La mer
Des reflets changeants
Sous la pluie
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I always thought that was one of the weakest parts of the show.
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Do you even watch Lost?
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I knew you'd dig it the most.
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Mar 06, 2010 12:36:28 AM CST
Watches intently...as SithMenace pokes the sleeping bear.
by cheif brody
Sith...run in a straight line...forget zig zagging!!
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It seems like all they're saying in that Washington Post article is that they're not going to deal with minor, insignifigant questions so they can focus on the big picture. I wouldn't worry about that.
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I like bears.
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"They all have the same first name. John, John, John, John, John."
"Somebody's playing games here. It's statistically impossible."
..right on.
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yes. do you?
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I love lamp.
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the bears can SMELL the menstration...
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are u just saying it because u saw it????
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Now you're putting the whole talk back in jeopardy!!
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It's kind of nice when you speak clearly. ;)
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Mac is obviously sober right now. let sleeping bears lie!
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I know I'm way off base here, but this particular quote, "It's the beginning of a parallel genetic code." gets me to thinkin about possible connections to all of LOST's children/babies, the Shephard bloodline, Ethan's seeming super-strength, the Healing Spring, Jacob's cryptic touch, etc..http://tinyurl.com/yh2yedlhttp://tinyurl.com/yhby42yI still prefer WOMB though...
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What would happen if you had a bizarre television drama with a large ensemble cast of strange characters and a multitude of weird mysteries and it caught the general public's attention and became a hit, and then suddenly the show just went ahead and revealed the answers to the mysteries the series was based on, and then tried to continue on from there?(This is an easy one.)
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Ooh, Ooh, I know, I know that one, pick me!TWIN PEAKS.
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How's Locke??? Hahahahaaha.... Damn, I just enjoy this ride!! Even with some unanswered shit along the Highway! I'm Rubber Duck!
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Former Agent Dale Cooper!!! Do I win the No-Prize????
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Fox -make it happen!
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Long time reader of this talkback - but I have some questions and wonder if they've been discussed & theorized: Remember that Jack saw his dead father in the waiting area of his medical offices and freaked out. That kind of started his spiral into the deep end - becoming a drug addict and ruining his relationship with Kate along the way. So - if Smokey is trapped on the Island - who was Christian? Was he Jacob - trying to set into motion events that would ultimately convince Jack he had to go back to the Island?? If so - was Jacob appearing as Christian on the Island as well (to Jack, Claire and Locke?) It sure seems to fit that Smokey was taking his form on the Island - but then who was the guy back in LA?
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The other would be WHEN exactly was the MIB/Smokey able to take on Locke's persona. I mean, Ben strangled Locke to death 3000 miles away in LA. If MIB was trapped in the cabin (as many theorize) on the island...how was he able to usurpe John's corporeal form...exactly?
Some would say that perhaps Locke actually died when he fell down the well, breaking his leg, and having a nice bow wow with Christian before turning the FDW and launching himself into the future and off the island. Did MIB set up his ability to take over his form BEFORE John left the island or AFTER. I mean...He was obviously in Locke's head while he was being strangled by Ben...as he knew Locke's final thoughts.
I just don't think Christian's appearance to Locke at the FDW was a coincidence.
That said...It's possible Jacob was able to perform all the tricks MIB was able to perform...appearing as Christian to Jack at the Hospital...using someone who is DEAD as a vessel to 'steer' the Losties to his will. The smoke alarm going off in that scene was a clever, blunt instrument telling us that "Smokie" was present there...But...was it Jacob? Or the MIB?
I still think we are going to get an episode that shows that MIB wasn't the ONLY island entity visiting the Losties in their past. Will we see MIB...the actual GUY from the beach we saw in "The Incident, Pt 1"....visiting all the Losties as we saw Jacob doing? "Touching" them in his own special way?
I mean, Jacob and MIB represent a sort of ying and yang...It would not surprise me to see that their 'off island' abilities are a shared gift. The scales are a hint, too.
I think the reason we can't answer your question yet, is because we don't know enough about MIB's abilities...other that becoming the black smoke monster.
Is it possible John Locke WASN'T mistaken when he said the monster he saw was white & beautiful all those seasons ago? Is it possible at some point...when we least expect it...the WHITE smoke monster will be revealed? Will there eventually be a battle royale between the two Smokies? Black & White...Good & Evil...and Which is which?
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def. looks like some kind of language or symbols on Christian's folder in "lighthouse". i alas liked that we see Desmond's whiskey too...
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good possibilities brotha...
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MIB cannot leave the island but wants to "go home". Richard, Tom, etc. have been seen off the Island, Jacob has been seen off the island. Christian has been seen on the island. Christian was seen off the island, at the hospital. when he appeared a smoke detector went off. Jacob was seen in the same hospital. DID Jacob appear to Jack as Christian off the island? If so, DID Jacob appear to Jack, to Claire and to others who saw him on the island? Christian appeared to Claire and she believes "he is my father" but MIB appeared to Claire as NonLocke and she knows "He's not John, he's my friend." So Claire recognized MIB in NonLocke's form but does NOT recognize whoever is in appears to her on the Island as Christian. Eloise Hawking said to Jack that DeadLocke had to return to the island wearing Christian's shoes as a "replacement for your father". Once the body reached the Island MIB took the form of NonLocke. but was he intended for MIB's use, or was he sent to the Island as a replacement for Jacob who was taking the form of Christian?Live John Locke stared in awe and wonder at a tower of light the first time he encounter the smoke monster. He screamed in terror at the black smoke monster tried to drag him under the ground the second time they met. Same smoke monster with two different results? Or two different smoke monsters? OR a third smoke monster? Tom Friendly, who also appeared off Island; no, too easily killed. Richard? If he had smokey-powers, why is he so afraid of MIB? White clad boy caught red-handed? Not enough evidence to say either way?Earlier this season I repeatedly suggested that Jacob may have been appearing as Christian every time we saw post-death Christian following the crash of flight 815. I do not lay personal claim to this idea, I pick things up here as I go along. but I have suggested it more than once. I HAVE NO PROOF at this point, just a hunch.
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And upon second viewing, this made me think:Dogen told Sayid "He is evil incarnate, He will appear to you in the form of someone you know; someone who has died. You must plunge this knife into his heart before he speaks or it will be too late."A wind whirled through the jjungle and Sayid drew his knofe and said "Hellow Sayid" and Sayid plunged the knife into his chext to no effect. NonLocke/MID pulled the kniffe from his heart and gave it back. "No why did you do that? Here, take your knife, I won't bite."NonJohn told Sayid "He knew you would not be able to kill me and he expected me to kill you." Sayid returned to confront Dogen and wound up slaying him and Lennon.If two characters make contradictory statements, at least one must be lying. IF NonLocke is evil incarnate we can safely assume that he lies. He told Claire the Others took her baby, which we know to be a lie.IF Dogen, as NonLocke said, sent Sayid to stab Non knowing he would fail and expecting him to be killed, then Dogen was lying.HOWEVER, Dogen said "You must stab him in the heart before he speaks." And NonLocke said "HELLO, SAYID". And Sayid stabbed him but NOT before he spoke. Since Sayid failed to do what Dogen asked, we have no way of knowing if Dogen lied, except the word of a being we know to be a liar.So, it may be POSSIBLE to kill MIB by stabbing him in the heart with that knife if the person wielding the knife is 1. One of the Candidates on the Lists, 2. Dead, arisen and Claimed, and 3. Strikes before NonLocke/MIB can speak to them.Unless Dogen lied about that; but we apparently have NO evidence to support the belief that he did.
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This is a minor and petty point, so I'll be brief.In a previous Lost talkback I made the tastelyess joke that since Claire said "If Kate took my baby, I'll kill her" and since KATE TOOK CLAIRE'S BABY", that since I had long been on the Kill Kate bandwagon, I was glad that Claire was going to Kill Kate.THIS WAS A JOKE. I have a feeling that Jack, Kate and James are not likely to be killed until the final episodes of the series, IF then.Someone took exception to my remark and pointed out that kate did not take Aaron, that Claire abandoned Aaron in the crook of a tree and Sawyer took Aaron from where Claire left him.So Claire abandoned Aaron, Sawyer took Aaron back to the group of Losties on the beach and gave him to Kate. Kate took Aaron and gave him to Sun to take on the Helicopter to the Freighter. Sun took Aaron onto the Freighter where it was refueled, then off again before the freighter exploded. Either Sun or Kate took Aaron into the ocean as the helicopter crashed. Someone took Aaron onto the raft. Someone took Aaron onto Penny's boat. Someone, possibly Kate, took Aaron on the rowboat to the nearby Island, where they were rescued. Someone, I think Kate, took Aaron onto the plane that delivered them t the US. Someone, I thnik Kate, took Aaron to the press conference where he was identified as one of the Oceanic 6. Kate and Jack took Aaron into their home. Kate took custody of Aaron after splitting up with Jack. Kate took Aaron to the supermarket where she panicked when she thought she'd lost him. Kate took Aaron to Claire's mother and left him in her custody when she returned to the island. Seemed like a lot of Kate Taking Aaron to me.Upon reviewing the latest episode:Kate asks Claire why she's in a pit. Claire replies that The Others took her baby. Kate says "No, No Claire, I TOOK HIM. I TOOK ARRON. I took him off the island three year ago..."So I apologize for stating that Kate took Aaron, but I think it's understandable why I thought that, considering that KATE THINKS THAT KATE TOOK AARON.
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what were they supposed to do?? leave aaron in the jungle after claire abandoned him? they were trying to SAVE him not TAKE him. no one ever TOOOKEN (lol) arron....
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Chief: I was going to post some issues with your theory but Vikki covered most of them. If the MIB had the ability to do all that stuff why would he be so angry and seeking revenge? Vikki: What do you think of my theory that "Christian" is neither Jacob or the MIB but someone else entirely? Who only appears in that form, the way MIB can now only be "Locke"? As I said before, I could accept MIB or Jacob taking that form to influence Jack or Claire, but why appear that way to Michael? And if you want to influence Locke and can appear as any dead person, wouldn't Mr. Eko or Charlie or Boone hold more sway than Jack's father?Even if you argue that MIB can only take the form of someone who's ALREADY dead when their body is brought to the Island: how would that suddenly give him the ability to appear "Off Island"? And if the MIB was "Christian", why not convince Jack or Claire to kill Jacob along time ago instead of becoming "Locke" and tricking Ben into doing it?
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Above, I stated that "Jack, Kate and James are not likely to be killed until the final episodes of the series".To explain that statement...Desmond told Locke that the button had to be pushed to prevent the world from being destroyed. But once when he pushed it late it tore flight 815 apart and brought the Losties to the Island. Once when the button machine was destroyed it caused a major IMplosion and the "Purple Sky Event"When Juliet used a rock to detonate the sunnavabitch fuse from the bomb Jughead in a location over a pocket of strange electromagnetic energies, the release seems to have created one reality in which Flight 815 arrived safely at LA X in 2004, and one in which the Losties remained on the Island.Also, the stange properties of the Island allowed it to vanish when Ben turned the Frozen Donkey Wheel, which also made the returned O6ers begin skipping in time. When John Locke readjusted the Frozen Donkey Wheel the time jumps stopped.After Ben killed John off Island and Ben and DeadLocke returned to the Island, ManInBlack took the form of NonLocke. And we have been told that MIB wants to kill every living thing on the island. We also knows that MIB says he wants to "go home". Unless he is suicidal (an option we cannot rule out) we may assume "home" is Off the Island so that he will not be present when every living thing on the Island dies.We know that the Island sinks beneath the waters some time between 1975-77 (the construction of Dharmaville) and 2004 (the safe landing of 815 at LA X). Sometime during this period was the tattooing of thee Dharma test Shark.Unless the Darlton plans to end the series with the paradoxical existence of multiple versions of certain characters, I think all characters we have seen in the LA X SideFlashes who are also alive on the Island are going to die on the Island, POSSIBLY when it sinks. With No Escapes, unless MIB and/or Jacob manage to leave the Island before it sinks.Everyone will die.That's not a theory I am in love with or married to. It is one that accounts for two versions of non-"alternate" reality by allowing the destruction of one in 2007 to cause the creation of the other - with it's many differences - in 2004.Tell me something better.
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How many people have the Darlton identified as having been Smoke Monster? Christian, backwards talking Walt or tall Walt? Kate's Horse?My theory is that ALL appearances of Christian have been Jacob. But you're right, that does not explain why he'd use that form to appear to Michael or (Live)Locke.My theory is that Jacob appeared as Christian off the Island at the Hospital, so your inquiry about how MIB was able to leave the island is not relevant to my idea. I say MIB never has appeared off the Island.Your theory is that a third Smokey has appeared as Christian but is locked in only appearing in that form. Well, it would have to be someone who can leave the island. As I said, Tom, dead. (though so is Jacob now, so maybe that doesn't prove anything. Richard Alpert, alive and frightened of MIB. Kid In White...? Need more information.
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Google the word "took" and read a few definitions. I assure you there is no way Aaron could have gotten off the Island without being taken.I acknowledge that there s no way to convince you that Kate took Aaron, so I will leave it to you to ponder Kate's statement to Claire: "No, I took him. I took the baby."Though your skepticism is well placed: I'm not sure I believe everything Kate "What if I told you I was innocent" Austen says either.
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Made the same point I just made here, but in a more concise form. Dogen said stab NonLocke before he speaks, NonLocke spoke the words "Hello Sayid" and the stab was not fatal.Sorry to have noticed the same thing after rewatching the episode and independently coming to the same conclusion> I was not trying to lay claim to someone else's idea, and when I noticed it while scrolling back down here, I felt I should give credit where do. thank you Mr. CleanAZ, whereever you are.
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u are technically right. they Webster definition TOOK him. claire is INFERRING that kate "took/kidnapped" arron from her. see what i mean? i mean i took a freaking shit today but, that doesnt mean i kidnapped/forcibly ur bahybee that u abandoned lol...
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During the course of this single talk-back I joked that one commenter might be using more than one ID, a notion he found offensive. I regret the hurt feelings even without clearly understanding the nature of the offense.When I referring to Lost Island or Foot Island as "Tarawat Island" I misspelled the name of the Egyptian fertility goddess Taweret (also spelled Taurt, Tuat, Taueret, Tuart, Ta-weret, Tawaret, and Taueret, and in Greek, Θουέρις "Thoeris" and Toeris).And on TWO consecutive occasions I misidentified the episode titled "Flashes Before Your Eyes" as "The Constant"I DEEPLY and SINCERELY regret the thousands of lives that were lost and the millions of dollars in property damage that occurred as a result of these horrible, unforgivable errors.Also, I seem to have alienated a few people who read comments I made about generic and unidentified trolls and/or troll bashers and their negative impact on the enjoyability of these talk-backs, who chose to identify themselves as believing they were the specific targets of those remarks, which were meant to apply to all such persons described rather than specific talk-backers.Well, shit happens.
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u ok today brotha??
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My original joke still makes sense. if Claire says "If Kate took my baby I'll kill her' and Kate says "Hi Claire, I took your baby", then whether or not Kate did what you think Claire thinks the word took means, Kate's statement fits the verbal limitations of what Claire said she would kill Kate for if Kate did.Which in a way relates to that fellow who was asking "What Kate Does?" over and over in a previous talk-back.I think your other point is similar to what George Carlin said: "I didn't TAKE a shit, I LEFT a shit. I didn't take it with me. 'Did you take my shit?' 'I didn't take your shit'"Still, since Kate told Claire that she took Aaron but Claire failed to kill Kate, I guess the point is, as Joey Tribbiani would say, Moo.
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He was drowned in the resurrection pool, although he might have to use his machine on himself afterwards. This might be what Sayid is counting on.
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she'll be chasing kate around with a Websters Dictionary and a freaking machete yelling.... U TOOK MY BAHYBEEE U TOOK MY BAHYBEE!!!!!
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Just got around to rewatching the latest episode and came in to post a few observations and try to mend a few broken fences. Didn't mean to cop Mr.CleanAZ's theory, but I noticed it too: Dogen said "Stab him before he speaks" and Sayid stabbed him after he said "Hello, Sayid."VFX, Chief and Cymbalta4 raised a point about whether or not Christian might be Jacob or not, one my my pet theories, so I chimed in on that.And KATE stated twice that she took Aaron, so anyone arguing that she didn't take it up with her or the episode's writers.And it's too bad some folks get freaked out when I misspell a word or get an episode title wrong. I'm not the moderator of this talkback and I'm not going to Google every word I post here, so errors are going to happen.And I am not a massive tool. I'm a douchebag.
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I did a freeze frame slo-mo and I'm pretty sure during smokeys last run over shot, we quickly see Kate horse and toy airplane. But I do have HD and it's clear. Not sure if it'
s been discussed. Been of the internet LOST sites.
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Dogen and Lennon in the resurrection pool. During Xombi season.
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Will come back evil.
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Welcome back, Riz. Someone else with high def and jitter free freeze-frame mentioned the up-view of Smokey's "under-carriage" seemed like "it's full of people". Before that, someone had mentioned that The Smoke Monster was an awesome weapon, picking people up and dragging them to their deaths. I think Pa expressed a differing view that the bodies were of a more spiritual nature, as if Smokey were collecting souls. Unless I misunderstood his point.It was just mentioned above that Smoke Monster may have been Wet Walt, BAckwards Talking Walt, Tall Walt and Kate's Horse, among others. If Kate's Horse is seen in The Smoke Monster Train as seen from below, that gives credence to a non-physical "eye of the beholder" nature of an ever-shape shifting Smokey.Not sure what would account for her seeing the toy airplane in there.
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Why was it Sun who says they have to bury Locke, not Ilanya? (If Ilanya knows so much)
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Kate saw on the Island. Wonder when the bloody-handed kid's coming back?
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Riz, pertaining to the resurrection of all the Temple Others dead, here's something I wrote p above a ways.Dogen and Lennon rise from the Resurrection Pool, claimed. They drag all the dead Temple Others into the pool. The water goes from 'unclear' to red and tainted and the Claimed Others rise up for the Xombi Apocalypse.NonLocke's Army of Claimed Dead attacks the remaining Losties. Surprisingly, Team Dead Jacob starts winning so MIB and his inner circle make for that submarine that Locke didn't really destroy (remember that rumor?)Kate redeems corrupted James and they trick NonLocke so that Jack's crew makes it to the Submarine first. Meanwhile Benjamin Linus heroically redeems and sacrifices himself by dynamiting the Frozen Donkey Wheel, believing the Island will be lost in time for, well, ever.He is wrong and the explosion collapses the underground tunnels and shatters the volcanic tube the Island is set upon and the Island sinks. Upon their final Deaths Jacob and Nemesis cease to exist: being supernatural entities, they cease to exist through out the time line in both directions so that they never existed. Therefore Jacob never touched anyone, MIB never claimed anyone, and the people in the submarine black out for a moment and their consciousnesses wake aboard Flight 815 as it lands in LA in September, 2004. As they awaken their life on the Island fades away like a disturbing dream as they return to their new LA X version lives - and we've already had a full season to see how those progressed from there.However, the Tainted Resurrection Pool waters flow into the ocean. At first a mere drop in the bucket, so to speak, but they spread like a dominant gene or a virus, poisoning the ocean around them. We see the rotting, fish-eaten corpses of Charlie and Joanna and the Freighter Captain and the woman who jumped from the freighter and the grenade-torn body of Mikhail all bob to the surface and begin to swim towards the nearest land. Beneath the blue Pacific we see the sunken Island as the sandy graves of Boone's Hill erupt and Shannon, Boone, Nikki, Paolo, Ana Lucia, Libby, Scott and so many others and Others float to the surface. We see them bobbing to the surface and then the sea erupts with bodies as all the dead Others and skeletal dead pit Dharmites begin bobbing to the surface.Finally, Bad Sayid and CrazyClaimedClaire and a sinister looking Ben Linus emerged, followed by DeadLocke (Not NonLocke/MIB, but the "real" John Locke, but claimed by The Darkness. Poor confused John looks around and an evil look comes across his face and he knows what he has to do and he begins to swim for shore.We cut to a sandy beach in Hawaii as an Army of Xombis begins to emerge from the sea.[poom] LOST
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MIB would make a great troll-crusher.Claire: "Are you going to hurt them?"NonLocke/MIB: "Only the ones who won't listen..."8)
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I thought this was a movie news site?
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or Aramaic.. or Arabic and Hebrew..or Arabic word, letter and a number/s (B 276 or B 376). I can't make out the diacritic, the Fatḥa, or the shake hand of it. But it is a code.
Mentioned it feb 26th, node 44060, #comment_3173576 in detail.
Thought it was, at a cursory glance, ..arabic word, arabic letter, symbol, hebrew word:شرﺏأער
I say it is code, because as typed prior, I just can't FEATURE or CONJURE that the TPTB would put that there, make a point to sight line it twice, and put the book "The Codebreakers" behind Ma Shephard by co-ink-y dink.
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When both Eko and Ben had their face downs with the Smoke Monster it read them and you could see moments of their lives projected on the Smoke Monster. For Eko it was parts of the Flashback that would air a few episodes later, for Ben the images were very clear and it was his interactions with Alex (That was a point of contention for many). Think that they people in the Smoke Monster was just Darlton being consistant with previous Smokey encounters.
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kinda weird...kinda weird...maybe its whales vagina speak for "SAN DIEAGO"...
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everything ok with the family??
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It is a good question as Cheif do type.. I don't FEATURE or CONJURE ..the explanation as so mysteri-oso. I think that was a full on figment of Jack's imagination. A hallucination. A symptom not uncommon with folk suffering certain anxiety disorders; and Jack was well on his way. Thus the benzodiazepines ..Lorazapam. I'm also not sure Hurley's off island encounters were any different. A manifestation of his subconscious ..and the conversation he was having within himself about what needed to be done. Up to Jacob, because if we believe our eyes, he carried something physical from that encounter; List inside the ankh inside the guit-fiddle case. But, remem, Hurley wanted Ativan from Jack, which is Lorazapam. hmmpf.
I have my own theories, but am just curious which would piss off more people:
1) It is much more about things like The Omen, Rosemary's Baby, Bible and Buddha, Pharaohs and Prophets than anythings remotely like the Orson Scott Cards of the 'verse. (Religion)
2) It really is in 'somethin's' imagination, be that child/s or computer/s. (Imagination)
3) The end is Hurley and Jack sitting in Santa Rosa Mental playing Connect Four ..and a doc comes up and takes a picture ..and Hurley's not in the picture. (Mental Illness)
4) It is all happening at a Moon Base Resort in the Eratosthenes crater. FutureWorld style. (Fakery)
Or does 5) It have to be a spaceship and an alien for most here to be happy with the outcome of this ride?(Sci-Fi)
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I am having the devil of a time getting this fucking thing to actually post. Anyway.
Vikki. If that is your real name. You should just call it Twat Island and be done with it. You shouldn't use the phrase "I DEEPLY and SINCERELY regret " if you are being sarcastic because if you ever TRULY regret something deeply and sincerely no one will take you seriously. -
You shouldn't use a female name if you're male. You should just call it Twat Island and be done with it. You shouldn't use the phrase "I DEEPLY and SINCERELY regret " if you are being sarcastic because if you ever TRULY regret something deeply and sincerely no one will take you seriously.There was an awesome 4th thought that was lost in the ether.
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flashes are the consequences of whatever happens at the end of the show? ie that they happen as a result of the finale and are IN EFFECT a sort of season 7 of 'endings'. This seems like the obvious assumption at the moment.
I know Darlton has said that the final image of the show has been known for some time. Now we're 1/3 of the way through the season...any ideas?
I'd love it to be Jack and Locke as new man in white and man in black, mirroring the opening scene of The Incident. Of course that wouldn't fit with the flashsideways theory above
Otherwise, a long shot of the Island, as MIB suceeeds in his plan and EVERYONE LEAVES...we pull away slowly from the plane that they're all on (with Lapidus piloting, of course) as the ISLAND TAKES OFF. All the land falls off it like a tarp leaving a big spaceship made of frozen donkey wheels and cogs and stuff, which flys up and off into space. Yep. Aliens. They said it in series 3. Thats the end folks. I thankyou and thats my dumbfuck theory right there. Note the date and time -
I don't think Darlton have ever specified what or who "Christian" really is. Which is another reason I think "Christian" still has a role to play. If they weren't going to use that persona again, they could just reveal that he was MIB or Jacob all along.I don't think "Christian" is the MIB for the same reason you don't: the MIB can't leave the Island. The fact that a smoke alarm went off when Jack saw him in LA was not a clue. Would LOST do something that corny and obvious unless they were taking the piss? I can see them laughing in the writer's room saying "Great, let's see how many people online think he's the Smoke Monster now?"I also don't think "Christian" was ever Jacob for the obvious reason that Jacob, until recently, was a corporeal being. We've seen him speaking to and physically touching characters both before and after they left the Island in a variety of time periods and locations. We've seen him die, and presumably, reappear as a ghost. And he has an Army of people working for him who can go anywhere and relay information, cryptic though it may have been. Why would Jacob need to assume the persona of a dead man to tell Vincent to go wake his "son" up? Why would Jacob appear to Michael as some old white guy Michael's never seen before right before the freighter blew up? Why would Jacob need to appear as Jack's father to relay information to Locke right before he turned the Donkey Wheel? Any random Other Locke has met before could have done that.And why would Jacob hang out with Claire pretending to be her dead father?I hope the BSG finale haters who dislike Angels so much have less of a problem with Ghosts. Because I think "Christian" is, was and always has been... Christian. Either that or he really believes that's who he is.
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Christian in the Shack could have been MIB tricking Locke and Christian off island and in the Webisode could have been Ghost Christian?
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...that follows an unknown 815er (like paolo) thru s1-6 to answer all unanswered mysteries... also the character could make decisions like live on beach or caves, go wit jack or locke before the freighter, work for dharma or live wit others in 70s, etc... each decision gets you closer to an unanswered mystery... dont know how s6 will work in the game tho
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The idea of the sideways story as the epilogue, or maybe a final showing of what happened to them after they made their various deals with mib or jacob is the most plausible scenario for now but I think there are a couple of other possibilities.
Helen's peace and tranquility t-shirt seemed suspicious to me, made it seem like that world might be entirely phony somehow.
It's also possible that when Locke says that he's trying to get off the island, he means into that alt world.
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If my last comment is true then it would be the island taking place earlier, wouldn't it? And it's not. God this show is more confusing than ever.
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I appreciate the comments and the fact that you actually had to try four times to post them. I feel obligated not to respond to your four remarks.VikkiMarsdale is not the name of a female human being, it is the name of another dead kitten, and the Vikki stands for "Victim" which was the name that instantly came to me when I saw the poor, pathetic, filthy, half frozen and half starved thing come down the stairs from the upstairs office she'd entered through the hole in the ceiling after the workers had boarded up the hole in the roof she'd entered the house through.No, I wouldn't call it that. I only go to that level of vulgarity when trying to speak to a troll at it's own under-bridge level, or when writing pornography. However: "We are all out of Pan Am Coffee, but we always have plenty of TWA Tea." Kathleen Turner as China Blue, "Crimes of Passion".[My all time favorite move. Honestly.]3. If I ever need to say something "truly and sincerely", I won't put he words in all-caps, a dead giveaway that I was goofing.4. There is no #4. However, if it ever comes back to you, I will be sure to respond. =NP=
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But I don't think the fact that other people have seen Christian supports the idea that the Christian Jack saw at the hospital was a delusion. And the fact that Hurley sees DeadJacob's Ghost does not support that his sightings of DeadCharlie were delusional or hallucinogenic.And as complicated as this show is and as much fun as The Darlton seems to have, messin' with our heads, I don;t think they'd muddy to pool with such nonsense as using all possible explanations for single phenomenon. such as "That ghost is a rear ghost, that one's an angel, that one's a smoke monster, that one's a smoke monster posing as a ghost, that one's a drug induced hallucination, that one's a mental illness induced delusion".I suppose a clever novelist might do something like that, creating one phenomenon and giving it multiple valid explanations. I just think Lost is complicated enough as it is without The Darlton pulling a stunt like that.Although, contrariwise and contradictoraly, I do think the On Island/LA X SideFlashes MAY be the result of them thinking up a bunch of different endings and then figuring out how to use the two best.
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I have no idea what a "Rear Ghost" is
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The Resurrection Pool won't bring back Dogen, he will be reincarnated. As a butterfly.The clue was when he sent Sayid to stab NonLocke in the Heart.Remember that Heart album "Dogen Butterfly"?Well I stumbled upon your secret placeSafe in the trees you had tears on your faceWrestling with your desires frozen strangersStealing your fires. the message hit my mindOnly words that I could findSee the Dogen butterflyUp in the air he like to flyDogen butterflybelow she had to tryShe roll back down to the warm soft groundLaughing to the sky, up to the skyDog and butterfly8)
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Okay, lets try and explain this one. Episode, "Meet Kevin Johnson". Michael is on the boat, about to blow up the "fake" bomb that Ben gave him to apparently show Michael he isnt as ruthless a killer as Charles Widmore. Okay, so here is the weirdness. While on the boat, before even getting close to the island, Michael is hearing voices and stuff from Libby and "ghost" voices. One of them says "Don't do it" etc. How is Michael being so influenced by things that we now seem to believe are controlled by MiB, when he is a PRISONER on the island? Upon learning this prisoner/trapped business, it seems unlikely to me that these occurances could be MiB because he wouldnt be able to leave the island, or at the very least the invisible "time warping, snowglobe" barrier the island has around it. Further, the freighter itself never actually enters the islands bubble, so later when he does blow up the real bomb, how does Christian Shepard get there? When it aired we still asumed these things were "the island" itself, but now we learn about Jacob and MiB....and it makes very little sense to me. Further, off-island Michael wants to kill himself, Mr. Friendly expressly says "The Island won't let you." Friendly doesn't know about Jacob or MiB in the slightest, considering Ben doesn't even know about them really. What force is stopping the gun from blowing Michaels brains out? Does "the island" itself have a power it can extert over things in the real world? I hope its revealed that apart from jacob and MiB the island is still magical in its own right, because otherwise a lot of stuff will make no sense considering the "prisoner" element methinks. Anyone have any details Im missing that might sort some of this stuff out? I just feel liek Christian seems connected to MiB, but MiB shouldnt be able to show up outside the island...or else he isnt really a prisoner...? talk amongst yourselves...
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Wow, You guys were actually disucssing this a bit before I poste
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And I wasn't even reading that. True Ghost Christian would certainly explain a number of things. Maybe he works specifically for "the island" and not MiB or Jacob? That would help things out. I also hope Christian finally gets his fucking due and gets a serious scene or episode where he gets to do/explain some things. Think about being that actor (can't tihnkof his name, not looking it up) He's been part of every single season, so hes constantly going back and forth to Hawaii to what? Just stand around in the jungle without saying anything? A couple good flashback episodes and with Locke in the cave. That's really the extent of his actual work on Lost. That dude needs to be rewarded for his loyalty to the show by being given some serious screen time in the end. He deserves it for having such a fascinating role, yet so entirely unrewarding as an actor I feel. he just stands around a lot....
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the freighter must have entered the Island's bubble at some point because Jin got caught up in it when it moved. Unfortunately, these are the type of answers I doubt we will ever get. Not definitive ones anyway. Personally I think all manifestations of Christian will be explained as MIB. It fits with the cabin, it fits right at the beginning where Jack follows him almost to his death over a cliff edge (to be saved by Locke, no less) and it fits with manipulating Ben, Sun and Lapidus last season. The only weird one is Jack's off-island vision. That one might just not get explained.
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Desmond took his boat out and sailed out as far as he could, and only came back upon the island. In S4 we saw you can leave the barrier at any direction, but it might fuck your brain up...which it does to Desmond. How come he didnt have any negative side effects when he tried to leave by himself? it just put him on the other side of the island in a "snowglobe" reality. Granted that was S2 and Desmond is "special" but still, I wonder why (other than the fact that it was two seasons before the introduced the side efffects)the snowglobe thing happened to him that time, but to no one else, at any other time. It always messed their brains up and unstuck them in time. No one else got a snowglobe effect.
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Totally agree with you Crow that he deserves some more screen time. He's fantastic actor who's been a part of three of my most favorite productions.FULL METAL JACKETZODIACLOSTNot a bad resume...
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If the MIB is trapped on the main Island how does he assume Locke's form amongst the Ajira people on the Other Island? Isn't that where their plane lands? I'm rewatching Season 5 now. Also not sure how he could be "Christian" for Sun and Frank on the main Island while he's pretending to be Locke with Ben, but the story is so fractured timewise I can't tell how close these incidents are to each other.
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But about him being on the Hydra Island versus the Main island, which is indeed where the crash landed with ajira...me thinks that the hydra island is still just a part of the main island technically. Its part of the prison, it warped during the time travel with them, so I assume he still has his powers over on that island as well. As far as the timing on him being on the little and big island as two different entities...thats a good one cymbalta4thedevil. But as you said, the show is so fractured timewise, with things happened in different episodes simultaneously, or possibly not simultaneously, its near impossible to figure all of that out. I think lostpedia does a decent job of figuring when things are happening in relation to other events...but it still isnt easy to decipher most of the time. I just think Christian NEEDS to be something different than MiB in one way or another. Too many things will be baffling without that piece of info. I'm still banking on "the island" being its own entity with influences aside from our two "demi-gods" or Djinn or whoever the fuck they are.
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"OMG Sayid has joined the bad guys!" In the span of an episode after barely any development in the last three seasons! Who gives a shit? This show relies on overwrought music and emo looks. It doesn't tell stories and when PLOT intervenes on their usual bullshit approach it hits hard, because they never bothered making character-oriented decisions.
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If you hadn't said that, i would have just gone on watching it and enjoying it like nothing had ever happened. You really changed a lot of hearts and minds with that one. Especially by posting it four days later, when only the hardest of hardcore are left on here, and in the middle of the night. Congratulations on wasting everyones time.
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Enjoy that nagging feeling of dissatisfaction that will touch the back of your neck every time you look at any piece of Lost merchandise, that is, until you lose all the DVD box sets in your next move and find you don't really care, even though shows like The Wire or Twin Peaks are still "too confusing" and you wish they had more silent slow-motion scenes set only to heart-wrenching music and emotional glances.
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lost is so cyclical, all real resolutions will lead back to season one.
jack will try to fix/save everything/everyone and most likely be the new jacob. (it has been hinted at for so long to the point of jack being the main catalyst for the return to the island after wanting nothing but to leave for so long, he will remain on the island, its his destiny) jack being a doctor and saving so many ppl is a direct parallel to jacob's healing power
locke will defy all the odds and walk the island again(dead is not really *dead* like ben said, ie. sayid alive and well)
sawyer is ever the con man, but has a heart of gold. expect a long con on MIB and likely a giant sacrifice(most likely his life) so that the surviving castaways (maybe just the O6) can return home. and will have lost kate forever.
kate will choose sawyer again after appearing to choose jack. but will ultimately end up as the fugitive on the run in some manner.
hurley is still the unluckiest man on the planet and will again lose someone extremely close to him(either sayid, or miles by the finale)
sayid will(has) revert to the ways of his terrible past(remember toturing sawyer? killing all those ppl for ben?) despite a profound desire to atone for his sins. he will find temporary redemption before losing the one thing he holds most dear again(first it was nadia, then it was shannon, then nadia again, and apparently will be nadia one last time) i feel like his ultimate departure will be the most tragic possibly a suicide or self imposed banishment of some sort.
jin and sun will be reunited and have a truly "happy" ending, their love survives all the trials and tribulations just as it had in season one when we see that sun would not abandon jin.
the island itself will remain a mystery, the players will have resolutions but the playing field will remain.
many more intricate questions that i hope will be revisited but i think is 50/50 if we ever get real info follow...
walt's significance revealed(personally i think no, but the fan outcry if we dont get an explanation would be immense, so lets hope so), desmond being the only true constant explained(very hopeful here), widmore's true role/relation to the island(pretty sure this has to happen), richard alpert explained(pretty sure we're getting this but i am prepared for it to be a huge disappointment) and a lot of random other things(hurley bird, hurley's imaginary friend, libby, vincent, eko, adam and eve, etc.)
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Don't condescend to me and act like because I love Lost I don't know The Wire is the greatest show of all time. You're preaching to the choir, which just makes you look stupider, because you are trying entirely too hard to not like lost, even though, its also entirely evident, you watch every week. It's not the greatest show ever made, but its one of the most entertaining shows on television. To say it isn't character driven is unintelligent. It's not character driven in the same way The Wire is, but what is? Stop trying so hard.
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It comes naturally. Every single episode is about splitting motherfuckers up for another six weeks so a plot they have yet to figure out does not have to go anywhere. That's why they started the flashback/forward/sideways setup as well. It is a video game. "I have to go with this cryptic motherfucker to this invisible lighthouse to look at some mirrors. You stay here and take mysterious individual X to some hidden caves with a secret treasure. See you in sweeps where we won't exchange information!" Every episode is the equivalent of "we're sorry, Mario, but your princess is in another castle/island/hatch/temple!"
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Whenever the show has two sections of Losties meet back up, they always exchange as little dialogue as possible in order to avoid the fact that the showrunners KNOW that whatever each Lostie has been doing with their latest mystery date (Jacob, Ben, Locke, etc) would make no rational sense to normal people and that naturally the others would have questions that might make the plot move. So last week we had Sayid and Kate. Sayid is told to go off into the wilderness and kill an evil spirit wearing a dead friend's face. He runs into Kate on the way out. "What are you doing? Will you be back?" "IDK" "OK bye" WHAT?
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Than enjoy Zach Galifianakis on SNL"OOOOH WHEE! What's Up With That? What's Up With That?"
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If I want to see misunderstood murdering drug dealers, corrupt unions, corrupt city government staffed with crushing, ineffective, lazy, ass covering bureaucracy, failing over-funded urban school systems with lazy, ass covering teachers and admins, and jaded print journalists with a penchant for mini bars and cocaine...all down on the quaint quays of crab infested Baltimore....ya know what I do.
I drive to motherfucking Baltimore. I never had to think watching The Wire.
The Wire is a fantastic piece of television. Hooray David Simon! But ya know what. So was Barney Miller. So was Hill Street Blues. And they had to do it with out profanity or nudity to be 'edgy'.
just my opinion. Means nothing much or less.
I could tell troll folk what makes LOST better, in the least, in a different manner. But they wouldn't care.
Trolls, Crow, are like that old joke:
"Troll! Are you ignorant or indifferent?"
And Troll always answers, "I don't know and I don't care!"
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but i'm coming round to Reflecto's way of thinking. The wheels seem to have come off in this final season but i've had almost six years of great tv for free so who cares? I really hope they prove me wrong and pull something vaguely cohesive out of the bag.
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and STFU. Thank you. That is all.
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I just want to see a movie with Zach Galifianakis, Robin Williams, and Kevin Kline. As brothers. Sporting the big beards. And they are all from Crown Heights. And they are a juggling act, who are also the world's most deadly assassins
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The one thing that is common and shared between Island Christian and MiB, Non-John..whatever, man. That which is co-habitating in the body of John Locke. Is Claire's some such same creep-uh-fying smile. She gave Christian in the Cabin and Non-John in the hut and outside the Temple, the identical perverse knowing smile.
I don't think that is coincidence.
But, also, if Non-John says he is trapped.. He can't really be off-Island on a prison furlough can he. Trapped is trapped. Unless... trapped is not where, but rather when. No. Trapped is trapped. -
I have enjoyed the episodes I've seen, but I also felt like they were trying waaaay too hard to be edgy. My friends told me "there's this scene that's almost all just the characters saying 'fuck'!" Um, yeah. I watched that scene and felt like, "They're having us on, yeah? They're taking the piss. There's no way they expect us to take this scene seriously."
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Well, Vik, I had a bet with a friend here that you would get to 42. Mentioning, as it were, 42 times that Kate took Claire's bay-bee and would kill her. Not to be.
Ok. See. That's not what she said. Hell, I chimed in (go back and read) and gigged on the technicality of Sawyer took Aaron gave him to Kate who gave him to Sun who gave him to Kate who gave him to Sun who gave him to Kate who gave him to Hurley who gave him to Kate who gave him to Penny who gave him to Kate...
But. In point of fact:
"If what you said was the truth..If Kate was RAISING Aaron..I'd Kill her."
..I can't believe no one arguing who 'took' Aaron got it. I mean yeah, I baited it and all right, after Jay, and with all that majoring in the minors, but really? Seriously? ...not one fan-boy got the uptake of the whole 'Raising Ara-zona' bit before. C'MON! man!
Well, at least Jay and Cheif got on board the funny.
I guess this means you'll be tryin to get me back Vikki NaPa AnoDeKitt Los and all your other however many logins ya have.... Ok. Ok.
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I read what you're saying, reflecto, and I understand a lot of the frustration and dissatisfaction from long-time fans. But here's where you fail, both reflecto and the complainers. Lost has given you an amazing 5 seasons. Those of you who've been along for the ride and enjoyed yourselves, are you really going to throw out your 5 seasons worth of DVDs if this final season doesn't end the way you want? Are you really going to delete the Lost soundtrack you've compiled in iTunes? Blow up your limited edition action figures with M80s? Get a freaking grip. I absolutely despised the last episode of Quantum Leap and was unhappy with the last two seasons, but I don't go around saying that Quantum Leap sucked just because of that. A lot of you seem to have utterly abandoned perspective.
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http://tiny.cc/0qttT
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Implying they are two entirely different people. Which I hope is the case. I think that was a bit of a clue.
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Thanks. And Quantum Leap was the shit. Especially MIA.
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Was just looking at it again. It has Sawyer, Kate, Claire, and Sayid on his right (our left), and Jack, Jin, Sun, Hurley, Miles, Ben, and Lapidus on his left (our right). These are pretty close to the "teams" as we now have them at the end of the sundown. Anyone else think that was a bit of an indicator? The only thing that throws it off is that on the farrr left side, with the "bad" team, are Richard and Illana, who are clearly not on the bad team. Maybe two of the people on the "good" side aren't actually going to end up good, and they had to balance it out. If I had to guess I'd say Jin and Sun end up joining the bad man, but of course, who knows. I just thought it was interesting that, at least as far as our candidates/losties go, the picture divides them into their teams perfectly. Pretty sweet. Jack vs Sawyer, with Locke in the middle. I dig it.
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Yeah, caught that one too. But why did they both say Aaron was at the Temple then (Or that the Others had him?)
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add that to "featured" and "conjured" on the verboten list
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The writer of that link doesn't know what he's talking about. Season 4 finale didn't introduce the flash forwards. The temple was referred to before this season. Etc
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Who was the gnarly old dude in the cabin??? I missed it if this has been discussed. It wasn't MIB. Wasn't he asking for help too? What's going on there?
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I think you have to take into account that he may not be the keenest of viewers.
However some of the points made are quite valid and I am in the boat that says that the ultimate rating of Lost will come from how justifiable some of the key characters actions become once the essential answer to tne mystery of what is going on is revealed.
Key to this , now that Ben (who appeared to be a major mover and shaker) is revealed to know nothing of whats going on, will be Richards story - it needs to give is some understanding of what is going on with the Others. If it doesn't then the Others become, like the Dharma initiative, no more than glorified extras. Somewhat like the Temple Others. -
I guess my point is I don't take him seriously. I love Lost but I wouldn't call myself a rabid fan and can keep things straight. Beyond that, the thing about the temple makes it seem like he's spoiling for something to complain about. He's saying the temple characters are new, which is only partially true. A bunch of them were living in Dharmaville, if not the bulk of them, and we've seen them before. Also he says he doesn't care about Jack + Kate + Sawyer ... something that has hardly been a lynchpin of season 6 thus far. I mean it's barely been hinted at.He calls the dual realities "preposterous" ... First of all no-one knows the nature of this yet. Second of all it's hardly the first "preposterous" thing to happen on the show. The worry that the show won't ultimately satisfy some deep logistical anomalies is sort of silly to me. I don't know what he's talking about on one hand - how "deep" these anomalies are is a mystery to me. On the other hand, if he thinks the show's success depends on EVERYTHING being tied up in a neat little bow, then he's basically damning the show to failure cause that aint gonna happen.
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offering - and they will be accepted the next 4 or 6 episodes ahead and THEN our Losties recognize this FAKE and fight their way to a satisfactory conclusion for us all? Imagine that! NO season 7!? They have at least to have some purpose.
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Mar 07, 2010 12:00:46 PM CST
I Hate The Complaint Against "New" Characters "Late In The Game"
by crow3711
All of those people are dead now, after 6 episodes. They weren't important. They served a purpose storywise, but its not like the story shifted focus off of our survivors. it has always been, and will continue to be, the story of our losties. The fact that they killed them so quickly and unceremoniously only highlights this fact. Yes, they were interesting characters, and if we had infinite time I wouldnt be against learning more about them, but with the story being told to us, they served a purpose and were killed. The focus remains on our people, none of whom have been killed recently. Saying they are introducing new characters too late in the game just isnt a valid complaint, because none of those "new" players are important. Just like EVERY "other" we have ever met, they died quickly and unceremoniously (really, think about it. Name one other, besides ben and cindy, and sort of richard who doesnt really count, who have survived more than a season or two) Every single one of them has been killed, even the "important" ones, like Ethan, Tom, Pickett, Mikhail, and Klugh were all murdered without any story or much characterization given to them besides their ominous presences. The story was never about them, or Dogen and Sol Starr. So that's my rant against that stupid complaint.
Past that, if you are gonna say you don't care about Jack and Kate and Sawyer, which as thunderbolt isnt even terribly huge this season at all, then you're watching the wrong show. I understand if you don't particularly care who kate chooses one way or the other, because to be honest I really don't either, but if you don't care about where her character, or Jacks characters ends up, and who with...youre watching the wrong show. All you care about is hieroglyphics and smoke monsters, and thats stupid. -
Your comment about the Others signifies a big weakness in the general scheme of things doesn't it - these characters have been introduced and discarded and you say they aren't important.
Well they took up a large part of Season 6 to be not important and the other Others took up similar chunks of earlier seasons. The major conflict has been with the Others who now turn out to be not so important ? How much of these 6 seasons will turn out to be important when the final credits roll ?
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People who make that complaint act like the story suddenly shifted focus to Dogen and his friends and its "too late in the game" to be introducing new characters we've never met before. I just think thats bullshit. The story was never about the others. Except Juliet (i forgot about her) and Ben. But I still the others, as a whole, are important. We'll find out what they're role was in the overall scheme of this. I don't think everything they ever did will end up making sense, but we'll find out who they are and why they are there too. I was just pointing out that these "new" characters people complain usually aren't important. They play a role and die. You twisted what I said a little bit. No harm though.
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That its a little weird to think about how meaningless some of the important things from the first seasons seem to be. I've been rewatching some episodes with my girlfriend while she catches up (shes mid season 4 after about 3 weeks) and its really weird to watch certain things knowing what we do now...cause they just dont matter. that's definitely at least partially true. But other things still do matter, quite a bit, so its a mixed bag I think. It's unfair to write off the first 2 seasons as being entirely unimportant...but I agree that knowing what we know now it seems just outright misleading. Then again, part of me thinks they really didn't have most of this figured out until a bit after the end date was decided. I find it hard to believe all this stuff with jacob and MiB was planned after the end of S1.
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Like Crow said the new characters served a purpose and are now dead. One of the purposes they served was as elaborate redshirts, so Smokey could kill off a lot of people and demonstrate what is at stake. Somebody had to die, a lot of somebodies, in order to drive home the power of Smokies. So they made up some new characters for that.
My only real complaint about the temple arc is the set was so lousy. It just looked like styrofoam and plywood, very prefab, very set-like. If the set creators had done a better job people would probably be more immersed.
Also about what Crow says about the first season... I find the best way to view this series is like two series. There was the more family friendly uplifting and mysterious Abrams Series (season 1) and then the Darlton series after that, which was much darker, a lot less uplifting and more action oriented. Ideally I preferred the first style, the best season of drama this decade but the second style has been a fun (if periodically silly) ride. So I don't get surprised at things not matching up with season 1, it's just a different show now. -
Crow, you make several valid points. though I have remarked that I wonder how late in this season the powers will continue to add new characters. (My guess is, first hour of two-hour series finale.)Still your post(s) would make your point clearer without a few very minor glitches.You identify Cindy as an Other - technically she, Zach and Emma are Tailies and kidnapped Prisoners. Though they may have been assimilated by their captors: Pa mentioned Stockholm Syndrome, which seems likely. Especially for the Children who have spent just over three years of their relatively young lives among Others.You stated that all the new Temple Others redshirts have been killed, when clearly what you meant to say was that all the Temple Others who did not decide to leave the temple and go wit NonLocke/MIB's group were killed and the rest are still alive.And you request us to name one Other besides Ben Linus, Cindy (see quibble above) and Richard who you inexplicably claim "doesn't count", who turned out to have an important role on the series. Although I am very tempted to write her name in allcaps, I will try to rein it in and politely mention... Juliet.Keeping track of new characters introduced so far this season, if I haven't lost track: Dogen, Lennon, Temple Others with rifle and turban (minor recurrer), black Other killed with axe, David, son of Jack and unspecified other, children of Nadia and Omar, son of Dogen (cameo), gangsters working for Keamy, car-jacked cabbie (very minor). And returned semi-regular characters include Helen, Randy, Jack's Mom, Nadia, Omar, Aldo. Questionable whether the very different versions of characters like Martin Keamy or history teacher Ben Linus count as "new" characters, but they are certainly new personalities to keep track of.NonLocke/MIB is, of course, the same character we saw all last season, only now we know that he is a person or thing with the super-power to turn himself into a Smoke Monster.And Claimed Claire, a familiar first season character, is certainly a very different person then the one we used to know - assuming there is anything of Claire left after a "claiming". For that matter, the Sayid we saw this week is not the man we've known these last five years.I'm not disagreeing with the general gist of your remarks, just clarifying a few small errors that could appear to undercut your position.
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David is not, as stated above, the son of Jack and an unspecified Other. That was supposed to say "Mother".
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Juliet, Other and Mother. ;)
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If you are going to be pedantic you need to get your facts right...Crow specifically refers to Juliet in his post.
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Dogen's son, and "unspecified other"? The cabbie? What the hell are you on about? You feel the need to keep track of them? There are other people in the world besides the characters we are following. All I was saying is that lost has always been specifcally about losties, almost exclusively, except ben and juliet. No one else has ever been given their own episode or flashbacks. The story isn't about them. And most of them end up dying fairly quickly. It's always been about the same 12 or so people (some change because our people do die), and most specifically about almost exclusively 815ers. Two others, Juliet and Ben. And then there is Desmond who is the anomaly. That's been fairly consistent since mid-season 2. Once Eko died, and they cleaned house with the tailies, thats about all there has been.
And I "inexplicably" say Richard doesn't really count because he isn't really an other. They set him up in a totally different way than any other character on the show, and he doesn't age. As much as everyone loves him, hes had an incredibly limited amount of screen time overall. Richard seems more like the key that unlocks a lot of the mystery, but the show was never about his story in any way. he's an enigma -
But we all know how that turned out. Even though overall I enjoy the episode for what it is.
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The most important part of the argument is there is absolutely nothing wrong with introducing new characters. If things are going to be revealed and expanded on, I don't know why there shouldn't be heretofore unseen people involved. A large part of the show's appeal has been mystery and revelation. And as others have mentioned, Dogen and his sidekick have not exactly been given the Desmond/Ben/Juliet treatment.
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For as linear and "arc vs episodic" as Lost is, some people are running into a problem with the fact that significant events from earlier seasons are, in context, relatively "unimportant". It seems to me that this is a result of friction between viewing Lost as a whole and as 6 individual seasons. Which the show doesn't help, obviously, by having continuous storylines. As before, I recommend perspective. Yes, Charlie's drug addiction does seem, in the long run, fairly insignificant. But don't allow yourself to forget how much you cared about it at the time. (If you cared. Obviously this is not directed at any of the various douchebags who drop in to just say "Lost is teh suk, BSG/The Wire/Stargate/Dr. Who/etc. pwns Lost")
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There are arcs with in arcs. No not every fucking detail is streamline designed to pay off during the finale.
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two unknown characters are vaguely recruiting for something.....and half the time we are watching a "what if the past 5 seasons never happened." Wow what a horrible act 1.
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umm go fuck off? i know its high concept but, i think it works...
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the way the themes in them gell with whats happening on the Island is very old-school LOST. Very season 1. Although I will concede that it very much depends on the explanation we get for them. If there isn't some amazingly clever WTF style reveal explaining them then it will be seen as a giant waste of time. But I'll reserve judgement until I've seen it. After 5 years, whats another couple of months gonna hurt?
As for the whole "pointlessness of certain plots" debate, again, it depends on how they explain certain things. I think the O6 leaving, Widmore's freighter and the donkey wheel all NEED to be tied into MIB's master plan. If they are, and he required ALL OF THAT TO HAPPEN in order to take Locke and find his 'loophole' then fair enough. Well done Darlton. If however, they choose not to tie those plots together then it might seem like a big distraction to flesh out the story. I guess we'll have to wait and see... -
5.1 sound on a giant screen, thanks to me! :)
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I'm with you on the flashes - if, as many speculate, these are in fact what happens after the Island then there is a point to them.
However the Island stuff is being treated very superficially because of the time spent on the flashes and I hope that improves. We knew folk were going to pick sides but, up to now, its the infected against the uninfected which is rather trite and simplistic - again lets hope we see some really thoughtful character choices going forward. -
... undefined until it's completed. Duh. And the flash sideways isn't a "what if". OR it may be but WE DON'T KNOW YET.
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It's other things as well, one being free will (MIB, as advertised anyway) vs destiny (Jake). Or selfishness vs selfnessness. Or survival vs sacrifice. Perennial Lost themes.As far as the island stuff getting short shrift in favor of the alt timeline stuff, I can agree to disagree but either way it's getting no less attention than it has in seasons past vs flashbacks and flashforwards. In fact I bet the island stuff is getting MORE screen time than usual.
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Noah.
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takes friggin DAYS to get to the bottom EVEN when you scroll through all the ridiculous "you're a troll!" "no YOU'RE a troll!" bullshit and fucking "defenders" and lame arguments about nothing much...
btw there's a 4th category of ppl who've seen every episode, between 2 and 3 - call it 2.5 - who love the show and are NOT disappointed - but not to the point where they are obsessed and have "invested a lot" in it, organnising watchbacks and meetups etc..
not that there's anything wrong with that
so anyway, I got all the way to the bottom and I don't believe anyone has beat me to this, so...
upon reflection, I don't think Sayid is gonna turn out to be truly "bad" after all! I know lots of ppl want Sawyer to be hip to the con that MIB is perpetrating on him and actually just playing along and awaiting the chance to turn the tables on him - but I don't think that's gonna happen..
no, I think there's a REASON why Jacob made sure Ilana brought Sayid to the island and also took great pains to get him to the Temple and "infected" - I think Sayid is Jacob's ace-in-the-hole/inside-man/wildcard/whatever and I think JACOB is the one who is running what folks around these parts call a ROYALE WITH CHEESE (ok sorry, watched Paris With Love the other day...) - no running a LONG CON on MIB
btw, rosasks above you totally BLEW MY MIND with your "MIB will be Jack's son David" way way way up above!
did David ever say something like "I wish you were dead" to his dad? hmmm...
also, just my own 2c on the Dogen/Sayid fight - the only thing I didn't like about it was that this guy is supposed to be a BANKER! a fucking BANKER?? WTF kinda BANK did this guy work at exactly???
also, Pa - about Cindy - I think the simple answer to your question is.. she's a "bitch" - and will gladly follow anyone who even suggests the idea to her...
finally, about this four letter word thing - I think the answer is FOOT - the island is a FOOT
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I asked Damon Lindelof at a signing last October if ABC was going to be doing a Lost Encyclopedia or DK book sometime and he told me that they were planning on taking the show Bible and making one two years after the finale or so. Well it looks like were getting it early! http://www.amazon.com/Lost-Encyclopedia-Tara-Bennett-Terry/dp/0756665949/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1267994027&sr=8-1
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Thanx for the vocabulary word, Freakie. I had to look Pedantic up in the dictionary as it was not part of my lexicon, and of course I spelled it wrong. 8)were you being sarcastic? Because I suppose I can occasionally leave the impression that I am striving for a precision in language (such as knowing what the word take means) an attention to detail to an occasionally annoying degree. but far more of the time I am actually pretty sloppy in my writing. Certainly at the various Yahoo media discussion groups I moderate I rarely allow anything approaching journalistic integrity to get in the way of my spontaneity or conversational tone. And I don't see what being pedantic has to do with correcting factual errors, anyway. But your point is valid. I responded to Croix's post at 3.7.12:00 without noticing that he corrected one of the errors I was calling attention to three posts lower.Throwme The Idol: you are approximately correct; if David's mother is Juliet, she wold be both a Mother and an Other. And it would, I suppose, be Pedantic to reiterate the point I had been making in which I asked if the different versions of familiar characters counted as new characters. The Juliet we know from The Island is an Other, a Juliet in the LA X reality would be a mother. Both played by Elizabeth Mitchell and arguably both the same character.Seven time convenience store holder-upper Croix: I am confused. Your initial point was that you hated the complaint that it was two late in the series to still be adding new characters. You were quite persuasive on that point and I was expressing agreement when I listed the 11 new characters introduced this year. Perhaps you thought I was in disagreement with you since only four of the characters I mentioned were Temple Other redshirts who have died, in contradiction to your point that all the new characters introduced this season, including David the pianist (around whom half an episode was built) and Sayid's nephew and neice, on whose behalf he killed three men so far (with Jin's fate still hanging in the balance), were dead others. It is possible on this show that David will turn out to be a dead other by the end of the season, but that would take an interesting bit of explaining. The part that confuses me is that you said you hated the idea that it was too late to introduce new characters, which would seem to indicate that you were supporting or defending the introduction of new characters. And yet later on you state that the new characters introduced this year are "not worth keeping track of". Clear this up for me, are you saying that you favor the introduction of new characters not worth keeping track of? It makes it hard to agree with you if you keep changing sides.It was totally my fault due to a misplaced comma and a missed letter that you seemed to think "unspecified other" referred to a new character. It was a reference to David's unspecified mother, but I clearly bolloxed that up; there was no way you could have seen my correction of that error in the following post.I do agree 100% with our statement "Nikki and Paolo got an episode but we all know how that turned out." Yes, one of my favorite stand-alone twist ending Lost episodes. That and Yi Jeon. Glad you enjoyed it too.Goldberg: I very much want to believe that by the end of the series there will be a huge "WhyTheFace" revelation explaining the relationship of the LA X story-lines with the main Island story. I hesitate to wallow in any of the pessimism that has permeated this years talk-backs, but one of my biggest fears about the series is the possibility that when it comes, said revelation may not be the huge "Oh, now I get it!" moment that it would seem to require.rosiesacks: very funny pun. It would be totally pedantic to point out that Noah had an Ark. with a K. But bonus points for going in a different direction than I expected. when I saw your topic line "You know who had an arc?' I thought you were going for the Fark News cliche "you know who else..." which always turns out to be Hitler.J: I will take your review of the Star Trek film under consideration and add it to my Netflix Queue.Maniaq: In total agreement with your identification of the fourth category of Lost fan, among whom I would probably count myself. A devoted fan who tried not to miss an episode or a talk-back, and yet stands back from taking the show overly seriously and can toss out random jokes, wisecracks, irreverent observations, unpopular opinions and bits of fan fiction and the occasional non sequitur.Asimov Lives: Your devotion and dedication to Lost is exemplary, apparently, When you say you wish you could engage in sexual relations with the show, are you referring to making love to it to show your faithfulness and devotion in a romantic or spiritual sense, or are you referring to a more carnal coitus as a mutual exchange of pleasure? Or, if you were using the F-word in the derogatory sense, what is it about coitus that you hate or are afraid of? Or are you simply feigning disinterest because it's something you were never good at? I admit, that has a lot to do with why I never became a sports fan.Bill: Having a theatre arrange a party-atmosphere showing of the LOST finale is extremely cool. I know what HD and 5.1 are, but in this context what is 2k? If it has anything to do with that Y2K thing that was supposed to bring computer based aspects of civilisation to a screeching halt, I think that theory was disproven about a decade ago.Going up a bit higher: MacFaxter: if my original gag was based on a misquote it falls apart. Still, if Claire says she will kill Kate if Kate raised Aaron and Kate (and Jack) were raising Aaron, the premise remains intact: Claire will want to kill Kate, a development I doubt will occur but am willing to state that I favor. Still, just because you deconstructed a gag of mine because the premise seems faulty, why would you worry that I will be out to get you back? Hey, if I got upset every time someone corrects one of my errors, I'd be making enemies all over the internets. I approach talk-backs and yahoo groups not so much as slow motion chat rooms as cocktail parties: an ongoing social interaction in which you can wander around, eavesdrop on ongoing discussions and offer an occasional observation, comment or witticism. These AICN Lost talk-backs in particular, I like to think this is just a casual conversation. If I had to spell-check every post, look up every definition, fact check every statement, verify every recollection and state that everything I say is under oath, I think I'd rather just go pretend to be a farmer on facebook. 8)Lost fan category 2.5: right at the top of my list of favorite shows, but I'm not making a career out of it.[About nicknames: just channeling my inner Ford. If anyone is offended by a bit or friendly camaraderie, let me know and I'll refrain.]
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Mar 07, 2010 9:49:31 PM CST
She's a maniaq, maniaq on the floor And she's dancing like she's
by anotherdeadkitten
Riddle: The Lost Island is a _ _ _ _"? [four letter word with one vowel, not an A or E.]Mac argued that "one vowel" could refer to a single vowel used more than once, as in his word, Door, or yours, Foot.Others went the "why don't these words rhyme" route with Tomb Bomb Womb. I joked, with some justification, that it was a Rock.However, as I recall someone mentioned the illustration that accompanied the original riddle that seemed to indicate the answer was "Cork". Someone else mentioned the man-thing "nexus of Realities" which would support Lost Island as a cork plugging the hole between realities. Pulling the plug (the sinking of the island) leads to the creation of the LA X version of reality.So, the island is a cork, the door is ajar and the game is afoot. And I'm a little dinosaur.
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IF the series Lost ends with a few minor unanswered questions - which seems entirely possible if not, as some are suggesting, highly likely, then hopefully an encyclopedic Lost reference volume will go a ways towards spackling in some of those dangling mysteries.I always did enjoy those various Star Trek Compendiums.
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re: "if you were using the F-word in the derogatory sense, --- are you simply feigning disinterest because it's something you were never good at? I admit, that has a lot to do with why I never became a sports fan."Kitty, are you saying that the reason you never liked sports is that you're not a good f*ck?
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Yes, I am.
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Cause Kate not only says she 'took' Aaron but also that she is 'Raising' him. Kate is dooooooooomed!
You are right... You were always right.
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I'm gonna take the Good Word to my local LIEMAX who I'm pretty sure have a couple of 2k projectors pointed at a kinda smallish "Big" Screen and convince them the Season Finale is really something people are gonna wanna pay an exorbitant fee to watch in their humble establishment...
Cat - mind if I call you Cat? - 2k refers to the number of lines a digital projector (or camera) will do ("natively") - 2k being 2000 - being roughly twice the number of lines in your standard "HD" 1080p type image (little more but hey it's not like there are any pedants around, right?) that most of your garden variety consumer projectors (or cameras) are happy to do... -
ABC should not charge them, and the theater should make enough off concessions. Suggest the idea that if its going to cost, that anyone gets a ticket for entrance with any concession purchase. Tell them you will do radio calls and hand out flyers if they put an ad in the newspaper
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Great work on Lost as well, rewatched Sundown, his work was great as usual.
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For her small part in The Hurt Locker.
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I'm not assuming Jack knows. I'm assuming he'll find out.
As for Sayid being Evil Incarnate, he'll find out Sayid killed Dogan after Dogan warned Jack about the darkness growing inside, and after Dogan tried to get Jack to kill him. I don't think that's a huge leap, do you?
And Jack saw the isladn move. Jack ended up on the island in 77. Sawyer and Jin (at least) were with Locke when he "fixed" the wheel, and Jack saw the island vanish after he had left Locke and Ben at the orchid. So again, an assumption that Jack will know where the frozen donkey wheel is, but not a leap.
So I believe Jack will say "Enough" to Locke and to Jacob. I believe that Jack will continue to try to do what he tried to do at the end of S5 - except with a deeper purpose.
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I tried submitting a question at http://blogs.abc.com/asklost, but I got an error message.
Is it just me, or is the site fucked?
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take them a printout of the Hercules coaxial ratings listings for last couple of weeks... show them it was 2nd behind Olympics after American Idol. Show them its ABC's top rated show among 18-49
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...or at least half of it.
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he forgot to challenge ur heteroness lol...
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I haven't seen it
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Ok, I don't keep up with the LOST TB's regularly, so forgive me if I'm retreading. But I recognize a few "regulars" posting here and wanted to know what you guys think. My "thought" first.... Having a pretty casual regard for killing people on the island doesn't necessarily make MIB "force of evil."
Ok, so we've heard MIB indicate, sometimes directly, that he wants off the Island. If you take him at his word, then everything he's doing now is working towards that goal. A goal that other Losties also share, essentially. There's a recurring theory among LOST fans that the island may not exist by the end of the series (at least, above water.) Among other things, it seems this theory has its most concrete evidence in the shot we saw of the island underwater in 6.1 (LA X). Concurrent with that theory is one that the "off-island" flashes we've been seeing this season are actually "the future" of the current on-island events. Now,
If that's the case, and nothin gpast 1977 on the Island ever actually ocurrs, then MIB isn't really killing anyone ruthlessly. They're in the way of his goal and he knows that most, if not all of them, will be alive once things are reset. I find it hard to believe that MIB and Jacob will end up being "good" or "bad". Lost never seems to want it that simple (except, maybe, for Martin Keamy.) Seems like MIB could be a "good guy", just from a certain point of view. One that we haven't really had much of. Just b/c MIB's methods are harsh doesn't make him "Bad". Religious people typically don't quibble with the idea that "God punishes those who sin". Well, it seems to me that most of the folks on-island have some sinning in their past. Most of it unrepented. If some of them in the Temple decide to willingly step aside and let MIB continue his plan, their lives are spared. if others want to remain obstinant, MIB will take them out if it means furthering his agenda. So, what do you guys think about MIB? Good? bad? Is getting off the island really his main goal. And, if so, what for? -
MIB has re-taken that form in the off-island "future"? He, or someone, seems to have taken that form in the series prior to the arrival of MIB in Locke form. That said, I'm still not convinced the entity that appears as C. Shephard really is MIB.
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Stay in the coffin the whole way down?
To quote Clerks, "Her fuckin' body fell out!" (As Randall just leanded on the coffin....
It's possible the body fell somewhere far from where Jack found the actual coffin...but who knows what happened.
Claire did refer to her dad and her friend as 2 different people, however, she's gone bye-bye Egon. So, I'm not takin' that for too much.
I dont understand that if MIB was Christian, that he would have told Locke to "Say hello to my son."
Was that the final push that got Locke to resort to when he couldnt convince anyone? Or did D&C not have a plan yet and needed to consult Ben Linus for season 6?
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I've never been a good detective, codebreaker or puzzle solver. I have NO IDEA where Lost is going, just along for the ride and enjoying the six year journey.I know people hate the Jacob/MIB as God/Devil or Good/Evil concept. Well, some (most) do, not to over generalize.But let's apply mythology. Roman, Greek, Ancient Egyptian, whatever fits. If they are lower-case gods, they have always been the same gods anyway, just with different names.Let's consider Man IN Black as an entity representing something worse than "mischief". Evil Incarnate? that may be overstating it. But if we take as given that he's "bad" (shut yo mouth. I'm jus' talkin' 'bout MIB.), that "Nice to see you without those chains" refers to his own bondage and that he "just wants to get off the island" and wants "to kill every living thing on the island"... well, he appears to be a very nasty Napoleon at Elba indeed. An Evil Spirit in exile, trapped where he can do minimal harm on an Island very few humans are able to even find. Lets assume he was placed - trapped - on the Island not as punishment,but as protection - exiled to protect humanity from his destructive powers and tendencies. And can even the most cann science fiction ponderers among us imagine the Black Smoke Monster applying his abilities to anything constructive or positive? It is a destructive power.This is just talkin'. I'm just sayin'. Not even a formal thesis or theory about where the show is headed. But IF MIB is a truly evil and destructive force, an enemy of humanity...Well, Finky, does that hint at an answer to your question about why MIB wants off the Island? He wants to destroy us all.As you say you're new to posting here, I'll mention that I've been suggesting all season that ALL visions or appearances of the post-death, non-flashback Christian Shepherd have been JACOB, "the white smoke and light monster" who first appeared to John Locke and instilled in him a sense of awe and wonder. Especially the smoke-alarm triggering appearance of Christian at the hospital, since we have seen Jacob off the island and believe that MIB cannot leave the island (because it's been hinted that "going home" - presumably away from the island - is his stated goal.)
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Hey Riz, the name of the character from Clerks (the movie franchise and animated TV series) is spelled Randal with one "l". - Your pal, Randall Hugh Crawford. [which is why I'd notice a detail like that.]
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You forgot to mention that the Others - ostensibly Jacob's gang - have been complete assholes most of the time.
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Yeah, when he told Sawyer he wanted to go home, or off the Island, he might have been just tempting Sawyer in order to recruit him.
But if he is evil, then he'd need a ton of people to help him wipe everyone else out. Unless they hide in banyan trees all over the world. -
Although, everyone was great in that. Bad acting or not. I loved it cause I worked in a NYC video store for 4 years while attending college.
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I just re-watched the scene. Jack easily opens the coffin, and then smashes it out of frustration, because he hasnt found his father's body. (Not because he couldnt open it.) So, I figured I would also post this from LOSTpedia:
>>Jack asked how everyone was doing back at camp. Locke told him they needed Jack to lead them, but Jack said he couldn't because he would fail. He told Locke he was going crazy, and Locke told him to keep chasing what he was after. Jack took his advice and eventually found some caves near a supply of fresh water. He also found his father's coffin. When he opened it and found it empty, he began beating it angrily with a metal pipe.
So if the coffin was nailed shut, how did the body get out? Was there a time flash?
It's pretty clear MIB was also Christian. When Sun & Lapidus were on the docks going to the old Dharma barracks in season 5, the trees ruffled with smoke just like before smokey appears. (either in smoke form of as a person.)
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"I hope it feels good to point out the shortcomings or others." See? Randall is the man. Blaaaaaw-ah!
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tho I can now see a gaping flaw in my plan - namely that by the time they actually AIR the finale over here, I will have already seen it...
-and I don't think quoting ABC ratings is gonna help my cause much
it was a good plan - for about two minutes...
btw pardon my ignorance, guys, but I keep hearing about Emilie de Ravin on FALLON? WTF is a Fallon? Presumably some talkshow host type - did he get screwed by Conan or Letterman or something? THEM I've heard of, tho I would never have guessed a Barbarian would have made a good talkshow host, but hey it seemed to work for SpaceGhost...
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Seriously, Rizzo, anyone can make a spelling error or typo. And admittedly the single L in Randal's name is an unusual variant spelling, and it is a character in a couple of movies and a cartoon show from a decade ago. I thought since you seemed to like the film and character I'd point out the fact that you misspelled the character's name. Something obviously I would not have known if my own name wasn't Randall (with two Ls). Just trying to be helpful in a humorous and self effacing why by referencing the talkbacker who called me pedantic.And your response is to misspell the name twice more, and in subject lines? (I'm not counting the one in the body of your second text, because you're right: I am Randall, and I am the man.) Look, we all get it, you're a tough guy, or you play one on the internets. I'm sure you have balls the size of testicles. But really, so much testosterone you waste your macho bluster on defending your spelling error? Aie, Rizzo esta muy macho.
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I have NO idea what you're talking about. I thought I did spell Randal wrong. The other posts were in regards to super-troll, not you silly.
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I wish I didn't know.Briefly, David Letterman created a TV series called Late Night, a talk/interview/comedy series that airs after the Tonight Show, a longer running ore of the same. When Johnny Carson retired and Letterman did not get the promotion to host Tonight, he went to another network to create the Late Show and a Saturday Night Live and Simpsons comedy writer named Conan O'Brien took the hosting duties on Late Night. When Conan was (temporarily) promoted to host the Tonight Show, the Late Night show was given to a young man named Jimmy Fallon who was a former cast member on Saturday Night Live, a weekly sketch comedy series that's run on NBC for 35 years (and still warrants a regular AICN talkback for each new episode) On "SNL" as it's known, Fallon co-anchored the fake funny news report Weekend Update, but was notorious for appearing in sketches in which he would crack up and laugh, often at his own lines, in an unprofessional manner. Maybe he's cocky, maybe he's just young (and I'm not) - I don't know if he's a love him or hate him personality, I'd just grade his as a "rather never watch him" talk show host. Though he has done a short series of Lost parody sketches called "LATE" that were actually funny. I did not know about Emilie De Ravin's Late Night appearance until it was mentioned here, but I doubt even her extreme cuteness would tempt me to watch Fallon.
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Jay Moved to 10p...Conan moved to 11:30...Fallon inserted at 12:30. Jay sucks at 10....moves back to 11:30...Fallon keeps his slot. Conan & Carson Daly suck the pipe.
Yes, pa...Eve had a very brief role in Hurt Locker as the main character's wife Connie back stateside with child. Certainly what amounts to a cameo.
Funny, because of LOST's busy shooting sked...Eve can only take "phone in" role in the movie...It is nominated/wins best picture...and she can't even attend the Oscars because of LOST's busy shooting sked!
You can see why a lot of the actors are bittersweet about the show ending. While it's been a blast...now they'll have more time for OTHER career choices.
I wonder if Eve will still make good on her claim of walking away from acting after LOST. being in a "Best Picture" Academy Award winning pic, even in a small role, certainly ups yer street cred!
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I was talking about your balls.And the fact that you did misspell the name Randal. Randall with two Ls is common, It's my name, it's "Tex" Cobb's name, it's the name of the character Randall Flagg from King's The Stand (a book often referred to in these talkbacks). The character in Clerks is named Randal, with one L. Unless your computer automatically spellchecks to the more common spelling, it appeared that you were deliberately spelling it wrong just because I pointed out the error. If this was not then case, then, well, eh.To switch to another topic and address a point you raised, do we know how much mass the Smoke Monster contains and what his size limits are? We know it can condense down to human size to appear as a man. We only saw a glimpse of it when it tried to drag Locke into the ground. When it killed Eko it seemed bigger than I'd imagined it. When it freight trained out and totaled the Mercs, bigger still. And attacking the Temple it seemed even bigger than we'd ever seen it before. Is it capable of growing? How large can it become? We don't know. As for it's need to recruit a million Xombis to hide in Banyon trees, who's to say it couldn't? Sayid was claimed by dying and being exposed to "the darkness" in the resurrection pool's unclear water. We don't know exactly how Clair was claimed, though I recall a persistent rumor (not mine) that she actually died when her cabin was blown down during the Merc attack. If MIB needs death to recruit, well, people die all the time. And if it's contact with water, water can be tainted "LSD in the reservoir" style. See my "Xombi Acpocalypse" fantasy fic post for one version of MIB forming a Xombi Army of apocalyptic darkness to conquer or destroy the outside world.I'm not at all locked (no pun intended) on the idea of MIB being an Egyptian deity or an ancient spirit or a Evil Djinn. But hypothetically, if he/it is, do we have any idea of how powerful he is, how fast he can claim recruits or how large the Black Smoke Monster can expand itself? (Do those people and things spotted inside it when seen from the Claire Pit - whether physical bodies or claimed spirits - contribute to growing it's physical mass?) =NP=[and yes, I know I spelled zombie wrong; it's a deliberate affectation, like spelling Magick with a K.]
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a bag like device used to clean a womans vagina after/or during (ewwww) menstruation...or as we like to refer around here as pulling a lostBoy...
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I'm sorry if there was a misunderstanding. I do have Firefox, which spellchecks, but it didn't catch that. It's sometimes with what it catches and what it doesn't.
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Not only had I been watching Conan since his first show, but the dude flew onto my aircraft carrier, The USS Nimitz during the war. He did stand up for the USO and I got to shoot the shit with him for 5 minutes at breakfast. Good man.
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why wouldn't the theater air it live? It should be a satellite feed
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Evangeline was in Hurt Locker for a handful of scenes as the protagonist's "wife at home". Big "blink and you'll miss it" performance that frankly didn't seem to do much for her. I mean, I know it's a big deal to work with Bigelow, but honestly any extra could've played those scenes.
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That would be an awesome title on the Nintendo DS. "From the makers of Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney comes Wolfe Darque: Coffin Professor"
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Thanks for the thought-provoking response. I had forgotten about the Napoleon refernce made in the last episode. makes sense with your theory. And, I had TOTALLY forgotten about the smoke detector thing at the hospital. But, if Jacob appeared as "himself" to other people (at least, we know he did to Hurley, who recognizes him on the island), why appear as Jacob & Christian to Jack? B/c he needed to be Christian to influence Jack's decision to return to the Island (something he would have had a harder time doing as someone Jack didn't know.) Nevermind. Just...uh...wanted to see if I could answer my own question.
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Darlton better give us soem clues to what's so "special" about that boy before this thing ends. There's got to be something to the fact that he would appear to different people all over the Island, but was the only one who would do that while he was alive. Right?
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fuck it!
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Just a convenient plot device to get Michael back to the Island in Season 4, or some kind of true property of the Island/Jacob/MIB's agenda?
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it's all in the timing...
we get the eps a week later - so for example this week's Sayid ep will be airing NEXT WEEK on TV here..
-which means either they air it a week before the TV network that has rights and all that business - and show it while everyone else is watching the "penultimate" episode at home, or they show it at the same time as TV shows it and actually get an audience who konws WTF is going on (I stretch, I know!) - a whole WEEK later, after I've already seen it...
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Ha! lol
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I went back and rewatched Sundown last night for 2 things. First the supposed people in smokie when Kate was in the pit with Claire. I can neither confirm nor deny because I saw something, just not sure it was people.
The 2nd, and I think the most important, was what Dogan called Locke. If I remember correctly, he told Sayid "This man is evil incarnate." In that conversation he kept using he and calling Flocke a man. So I googled Man as evil incarnate and came up with yet another mythological figure....this time from Hindu mythology.
Ravana
Look it up and see if this seem Flockish to you.
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