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Last week’s Shephard-centric “Lost” was for me the least of the season so far.
The adventures of 2004 alternaJack and his freshly minted prodigy son were not terrifically compelling. Free of Jacob’s influence, Dogen turned up in Los Angeles doing nothing menacing, just as Ben Linus did the previous week and Ethan Goodspeed the week before that. Maybe we’ll see Keamy on the LAPD this week, giving Sayid a speeding ticket. It feels like we’re getting into the same rut we fell into with the old flashbacks; returning now is the season-three antisness I remember enduring while waiting to get back to the (usually) more interesting stuff going on in the middle of the Pacific.
Jack’s island story felt an awful lot like Sawyer’s the week prior. He ditched the Temple, took a long guided walk across the island and discovered Jacob had been making a list of castaways and checking it twice.
(The start of Jack’s episode-long journey was particularly galling. If Hurley comes to you on that crazy island and asks you to look at something, what kind of maniac decides he’s not interested? Jack would rather just stay planted on his hinder and stare at the temple wall rather than gather more information about his seemingly perilous circumstances?)
I found myself impatient also with the Claire-Jin drama. Emilie DeRavin worked to sell an evil veneer, but her actions seemed not unreasonable given the circumstances. Despite Dogen’s warnings, neither she nor Sayid seem to be up to much real mischief. And Claire’s declaration that she will kill Kate if she finds out Kate took Aaron carries about as much weight with me at the moment as Sawyer’s declaration in 6.1 that he would kill Jack for precipitating Juliet’s demise.
We did learn “someone is coming,” so that at least was a smidgen of progress. Probably. Who’s “out there” and still breathing these days? Charles Widmore and his estranged son-in-law Des? Eloise Hawking? Who else? Someone yet unmet?
ABC says of tonight’s Sayid-centric “Sundown”:
Sayid is faced with a difficult decision, and Claire sends a warning to the temple inhabitants. Guest starring are Kevin Durand as Keamy, Anthony Azizi as Omar/Arabic man, Hiroyuki Sanada as Dogen, John Hawkes as Lennon, Andrea Gabriel as Noor "Nadia" Abed Jaseem, Kimberley Joseph as Cindy, Cas Anvar as Omer, Kailee Velasco as Eva, Aramis Knight as Sam, Peter Stray as doctor, Salvatore Abbadessa as cabbie, David Griffith as screaming Other, Mickey Graue as Zack and Kiersten Havelock as Emma. "Sundown" was written by Paul Zbyszewski & Graham Roland and directed by Bobby Roth.
9 p.m. Tuesday. ABC.
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Looking forward to this.
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...will be killed by the Smoke Monster.
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hurley's still fat
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#108 said "Wallace". Wikipedia says "Wallace is a surname, of Scottish origin". Any other scots on Lost?
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I do agree about the Season 3 flashbacks, but I find these "flash-sideways" highly compelling because of what they show us about the characters and the differences in personality they experience in the new versions of their lives. For instance, in last week's Jack actually overcame the burdens he has carried from his bad relationship with Christian. The previous weeks about Locke, a confident, loved Locke, was even more compelling.
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When he told Hurley he needed to help someone "find the island" he was referring to Jack, wasn't he? As in help Jack find what his purpose is? I thought it was Dogen going all Jedi mentor on Hurley and speaking in riddles.
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Some of them sound reminiscint of some of the trolls that come here, who clearly aren't fans of the show but want to be part of the final season and just hear answers. <p> Now I wouldn't be suprised if one of the so called trolls is Herc and posting under a different name. <p> Jack ep was very good, very well done, especially the "flash sideways" stuff, good mix of character and mythology. <p> Why wouldn't Jack want to be involved, pretty easy answer there, he just did something that he was convinced would change the future and to his knowledge nothing happened, except Juliet died. <p>
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right up to the point where she drove that axe into that guy's stomach, yes.<p> also, i agree she seems broadly reasonable except that here's a woman who walked off in the middle of the night and abandoned her kid, and now seems psychopathically determined to exact revenge on those who took her kid.<p> oh, and "that's not John, that's my friend"?<p> you've got to admit, Herc: the Claire-Jin scenes were a *little* interesting.<p> i agree spawn of Shepherd - beyond the initial discovery of his existence - wasn't especially compelling.<p> and i also thought the Lighthouse was a little bit cave redux (despite having much cooler effects and better windows). i was even annoyed at how predictable Jacob's reaction was to learning that Jack had smashed the mirrors.<p> i also hope the Others turning up as school teachers and doctors in alternaLA means something besides the fact they managed to escape the Island way back when.<p> Despite all this, i still think this season and last are much stronger and more focused than the water-treading episodes of mid-season 2 and mid-season 3...
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That episode was boring as fuck. At least the stuff on the island in Jack's episode was kind of interesting. We pretty much got an answer to the numbers, if you care about that mystery.
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no--i don't think he's referring to Jack. I think he's referring to whoever Jacob is referring to that is coming to the island. Maybe Faraday, maybe Widmore, maybe Desmond--my bets on Desmond
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Love that character description, would look great on your acting CV. <p> Yeah I am jealous, would love to be on Lost, even if I played "screaming Other"
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Haven't done that since Through The Looking Glass at the end of Season 3. The theory that these flashes are like a kind of coda to the entire series and set after season 6 seems to gather evidence each week, after all, with the exception of Kate (and who cares about her anyway) everyone in ALTERNAVERSE is better off. Oh, theres Jin and Sun too. Damn forgot about them. I'm hoping Darlton have a better, more WTF sounding explanation though. <P><P>BTW, anyone think the 'Shepherd' on the lighthouse refers to Christian? All the pictures in the mirror referred to WHERE Jacob met Losties, the temple where Jin/Sun got married, the church where ickle Sawyer was, surely if it meant Jack the picture on the mirror would be the hospital, not his childhood home, no? Yes?
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they play with viewers' emotions for, as well as perceptions of, the characters. What I mean is, if you as a viewer were given a choice to decide one of the two fates of each character, what would you prefer? Life without oceanic crash or life with oceanic crash? Are they better of never having crashed on that island?<p> IF you think of it this way, I'd say it is a pretty nifty narrative technique.
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*insert obligatory rant about edit button*
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I thought the axe to the chest reasonable as well. I think that fellow was keen to kill her if she didn't move first.
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The Ethan Goodspeed appearance made the Kate episode stand out for me.
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From the other TB: <p> I think a lot of comments about Jacob point to the fact that Jacob is not a "Jesus" type of figure, he has a job to do and he gets it done, largely by whatever means necessary, including manipulation. Including chosing to save someone and letting someone die to help serve his purpose (i.e Sayid and Nadia). <p> Whilst I know that the bulk of this season will be about choosing sides I really do hope the ending is about Losties saying no to both Smokey and Jacob sides. <p> No more of this control and manipulation, it becomes about the human race "growing up" deciding their own destiny. <p> At the end, what I would like to see, is Smokey to be taken out via a long con from Sawyer. Jacob then saying to Jack, that he is now responsible for protecting the island. Jack hesitates, sick of the manipulation, sick of the death, the island through a manifestation (maybe Christian) telling Jack that he can chose to end the island, end the manipulation and control, let the human race figure it out for themselves. The cost will be that the island is destroyed, this reality will be destroyed and that they (humans) will be on their own. Jack can do this through the turn of the wheel, the wheel turning backwards. <p> A determined Jack thinks about the deaths of his friends, and turns that wheel, a flash of light, we then see some images from the "flash sideways" of all of our characters how they are now "living" life. The final image for me is then of Jack with his son. <p> Still not sure of the "POOM" LOST part.
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...if I have missed something, making this a dumb question.<br><br>But WHY are their alterna-lives better simply because they did not crash on the island? <p>They were still screwed up when they boarded that plane. Or were they? What changed? Other than maybe Jacob and/or MIB did not fuck with their lives? Was that interaction the cause of their miseries?
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Did not see your post before I typed mine. That would actually answer my question.
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For some reason this week Lost airs two hours earlier than in the US(perhaps a reward for Canada kicking ass on Sunday lol) Just thought I'd rub that in a little. Lost @ 7pm better be a weekly thing eh. Oh and il be sure not to spoil anything aboot the show for you guys. I'd better go take my beaver for a walk.
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It is not just that plane didn't crash, but also that Dharma and Others never came to Island. As they've shown so far, things are different in sideways timeline from even before plane crash.<p> e.g. Jack's appendix. He had it before plane crashed. In alternate timeline, he got it removed when he was a kid.
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because if Dharma never came to the island then Ethan's parents would never have met and he wouldn't exist. And besides, in alterna-verse Otherton exists at the bottom of the sea and the Dharma shark is hanging out at the Foot statue. Wow, that last sentence is odd even for LOST
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My comments are how I would like to see it played out. <p> Think a lot of people are now buying into this "reincarnation" instead of a parallel world theory, and obviously I am one of them. <p> Its not about, "what if the island ceased in 1977", but what about if it never existed. <p> The island we see on the bottom of the ocean is the one from the original/destroyed reality. <p>
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...that's what I was getting at. If 815 never crashes...they got on that plane in miserable situations.<br><br> Just because they don't crash, it doesn't matter what happened or did not happen on the island. They should still be in bad situations, as fucked up people) when they get off in LA X. <P>UNLESS...as Miyamoto suggests, the reset took out more than we know and erased the interference in their lives. Maybe being touched by Jacob (just like being touched by Uncle Creepy at the family bbq) WASN'T a good thing. At least not for our Losties.
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I don't think we will ever get a literal, detailed explanation of this and personally I wouldn't want one. <p> We will get abstract answers or an answer that is a similie "is like" or metaphor "is". <p> My personal opinion is that it is something like VALIS.
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Well not "bad" situations, but life really. <p> Locke can't walk, Jack is holding on to baggage about how his father saw him.
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Is certainly not "heaven", they all have to deal with difficult, normal life issues, but things seem better, i.e. Locke being ok with his dad and being married. <p>
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Somehow, if that is it, it almost doesn't seem as enough of a reward for them going through all that they have gone through.
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Recently re-watched series 1 extras on DVD and in one special feature interview an early script for the pilot was flashed up on screen. It was entitled 'The Circle'<p>Does this titbit actually hint at a Via Domus style ending for the finale...?
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I'd rather it remain abstract as well. Not sure how they could ever make the idea work for a mass audience, but my gut also tells me that the Island is‍‍‍‍ <br>VALIS.
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[b]This is only a test.[/b]
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is the one that's gonna be interesting. That's Richard's episode. There's a Ben episode before that as well.<br><br>Jack episode > Kate episode
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Why do some people keep insisting it's Wallace?
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A Cindy, Zach and Emma -centric episode.
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Up above Mr. Miyamoto got briefly distracted and accidentally tped "Locke being ok with his dad and being married" as an example of how the LA X lives turned out better.<p>Obviously if Locke is married and is planning to marry his fiance Helen, he has even worse troubles than being confined to a wheelchair.
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I agree with your centiment, but to explicitely provide a direct answer to your question, some people think 108-Wallace is Desmond Hume because William Wallace is a Scots name made familiar in the Gibson film Braveheart.<p>Because, of course, all us Scots look alike.<p>It would be like saying that Wallace is Mr. Eko because of Macellus Wallace in Pulp Fiction. Or Wallace is James Ford because Governor George Wallace was a famous redneck racist during the civil rights movement. Or Wallace is Charlotte Lewis because Marcia Wallace plays Mrs. Kreboppel on The Simpsons.
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I doubt Hercules the strong ever posts on here with a troll name. Based on his comments I doubt he's interested enough in the show to bother with that sort of nonsense.
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Wallace is a wererabbit coz there was a Wallace and Gromit movie about curse of the wererabbit.
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Claire's axe to the chest of treacherous Other guy was one moment on the lest episode that did not surprise me in the least. It was telegraphed through the entire scene and I would have been very much surprised if Claire had let him live.<p>Interesting how they had to turn fan expectations. After his first appearance he was the guy who didn't want "remember me" guy to start killing people, and people associated him with being the friendly, helpful Other who was willing to answer questions while his partner kept telling him to shut up, and before he got a bag of rocks dropped on him.<p>I guess getting hit with a bag of rocks and then back-shot turned him, because this time he was all "Untie me and I'll wring her neck". Maybe he wanted to kill Claire because he believed she was going to kill him, but then that justifies her actions: she did the same thing, killed him because she knew he wanted to kill her.
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its not island...how can an island be below sea level in the alternative universe....i took geology 101 and i think i can safely say islands dont work that way, unless the sea levels are higher in the alternative reality....i think its a UFO...lol
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You said Dharma never came to the island. He pointed out couples wh met and children conceived on te island and, more importantly, the fact that Dharmaville/New Otherton was at the bottom of the ocean and the famous Dharma Shark with the tattooed tail put in an appearance. And, to whoever siad it, No, I don't buy that the island vanished from the 2007 reality and reappeared under water in LA X 2004.<p>But yes, 101, I like the idea of Wallace being a wererabbit.
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What if Hume wasn't his "given" name? One of my theories about the Des & Widmore brouhaha over Des boinking Charle's precious daughter. <p> I think Desmond David Hume was actually born Desmond Wallace, to a poor, but attractive Scotswoman from a drunken, no good, deadbeat dad named Wallace. <p> Desmond's poor Mom couldn't take care of him...so she put him up for adoption...and he was 'raised by an other' named Hume. <p> Now...Widmore has had a long standing beef with this Hume guy because...DUN DUN DUNNNNNN....he left the island all those years ago and had an affair with Hume's wife, Elizabeth...an act that got him kicked off Craphole Island...but also produced a child...an adorable little girl named Penelope. <p> Later on...Charles had this Hume guy taken out so he could be with Elizabeth and raise Penny together...as a Widmore. <p> But, in steps a grown up Desmond, who has no idea Penny is somewhat related to him...but not by birth...but by this Masterpiece Theater/Jerry Springer episode confleuence of events. <p> Therefore, Charles has been trying to keep Desmond & Penny away from each other, ala "Romeo & Juliet", in a vain attempt at keeping Penny 'in the dark' about how she came to be. <p> What Widmore DOESN'T know...is that Des is a Wallace...not a Hume...and therefore NOT in any danger of producing step-sibling offspring. <p> Did I lose anyone? Ah, well...Not important. <p> Let's just go with "Hume might not be Desmond's given name" for now.
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It connects to all points of the earth at once through vile vortices. It has the ability to control the fate of the planet. This isn't a magical ability but simply how the strings of fate work on a scientific level. You heard it from me first folks.
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I for one am enjoying the heck out of this season and wish people would just shut up about getting all the answers at once. And besides it doesn't matter how it ends there will be people who hate it and people who love it. Just sit back and enjoy the show.
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....then maybe the island is just another of his weird contraptions, i.e. the wrong pair of trousers...and this all about the search for the some cheese, Gromit.
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Shows NEXT WEEKS EPISODE DR. LINUS PREVIEW Very Spoilerly! http://spoilerslost.blogspot.com/2010/03/episode-607-dr-linus-sneak-peek.html
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Looks like the MIB name is... ****** Jerriah or that's what it sounds like. Where did we see that name before?
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I was over in last week's episode talkback reply to ya not realizin this new talkback was already up. <p> Herc is setting records these days for how fast he's getting LOST talkbacks up! Anyways...there's some juicy morsels remaining at the old TB if you're interested.
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That's not the MIB's name, that's Sayid's last name.
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Too much spoiler talk going on. See you all after "Sundown".
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This season has been pretty mediocre so far, and I am getting the beginning of season 3 vibes. Hopefully this shit picks up.
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A few points <p> If the lighthouse seems reminiscent of the cave, rather than be disappointed by a lack of originality, or some such, I prefer to appreciate the parallels between how Smokey and Jacob are developing Sawyer and Jack, respectively. Grooming them, as it were. <p> Revok, the show went out of its way to give us a continuous shot from the window of 815 to the bottom of the ocean, clearly establishing that the island is sunk in the flash-sideways reality. <p> Last thing, the two timelines diverged, it seems clear to me, in 1977. That would mean everything on Earth has been slightly different since then. There's no way to calculate or predict the extent of the ripples from the butterfly event. Ethan's folks could have met and conceived him somewhere else, for example, but his life would be completely different.
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Claire's axe might be reasonable given how the Others had treated her, and how that specific Other was ready to kill her.<p> But is she acting 'reasonably' overall? She wanders off, leaving her kid with Sawyer and Miles. Three years later, she's vowing bloody revenge at the thought of Kate taking her kid off the island. Either she's lost the plot, or she has some strange ideas of child-rearing.<p> @ Darryl_Revok and the general reset discussion: the nuclear blast doesn't completely change the Island's history: otherwise we wouldn't have been shown Dharmatown sunken beneath the ocean waves at the beginning of the season. The nuclear blast doesn't change the broad arc of the 815s lives post-1977 (e.g. Kate is still a killer), but it does change the details (e.g. Jack is a dad). I'm guessing the reason we're seeing Ethan, Ben and Drogen off the Island is because they escaped on the sub in 1977. But i could very easily be wrong...
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<br> testing <br>
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I expect them to get fucked up tonight by Claire and Smokey, so that is a step in the right direction.
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Last week, in the scene where Jack is at his wife/ex-wifes house (referred to as David's mother's house) and he's listening to the old answering machine messages (that were either deliberately saved or never listened to), wel in my opinion the "The Who - Maximum R&B" poster on the wall does not refer to anything or any one Lost related and, in fact, may have NO actual plot related significance at all.<p>Think about it.
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What are your thoughts on the matter-of-fact tone in which she says "This is not John, this is my friend" very well knowing that the face and body *is* that of John. More than anything else, that was what set alarm bells ringing for me.
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The Alt timeline is where out Losties will end up at the end of the season. I hope not, but it seems very likely.
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Claire's smile when she delivers that line is permanently etched on my brain.
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I can imagine a scene where the losties must democratically decide which reality to keep and which to discard. Some will like the new life better, some will have to sacrifice themselves for the group. "But I'll be dead!" - "Yes, well, these other 5 people will all be alive again!" <p> Could be a heartwrenching moment.
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I agree with Goldberg as it makes sense, but I got another kink, hear me out.<p> Amongst numerous things wiped out in this alternate timeline, is also the fact that Faraday never travelled to 1956 to warn young Widmore's crew about how to properly dispose of Jughead. So, what if it was Jughead's detonation in this alternate timeline that led to sinking of the Island? <p> I don't recall where Dharma stood during that time period, so point maybe moot, but still, just thinking out loud.
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think it will be up to Jack, won't be much democracy about it. <p> I think there will be a lot of death, only can see Jack and Hurley making it to the end to be in a position to make a decision. Maybe Sun as well.
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..and when you die on the island your enter the alt timeline. Sounds stupid as fuck but when Juliet was about to die she seemed to be in "another place". And she told Miles "it worked". Just throwing it out there.
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not 4 letters. JK
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One is as real as the ..'Other' ..get it. ya understand from whence the 'others' are 'coming' from?<br><br> It is not a coda or a prologue in epilogue or whatever man.. It is synchronous to events occurring. One informs the other and vice-y versa virtue-y.<br><br> Goin Dark!
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Have they ever show or told how it was that Ben took over leadership of the others from Eloise? I don't recall it. It seems like a missing piece of the puzzle.
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to my comments re Jacob, could see Smokey saying to Sayid "The day Jacob touched you, yes he saved your life, but why didn't he save Nadia's life, he was there, he could have saved her too, but he didn't, he didn't just manipulate you for his own means, he allowed the most important person to you to die, this is who Jacob is"
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I liked Jack's flash-sideways with the new son.<p> And so what if Claire isn't "evil". As far as we've seen, she's the new Rousseau, and Rousseau wasn't "evil".<p> Yes, she's teamed up with UnLocke, but who is to say that UnLocke is evil? We haven't enough evidence yet to choose between Team Jacob and Team Esau.<p> Until Darlton definitively shows that Jacob's the good guy and UnLocke's the bad guy, I ain't taking anything for granted.<p> I mean, why should I assume the Temple Others are the good guys? In the little war between Jacob and Esau, it's not like either of the two "deities" have been entirely truthful with anybody.<p> The Temple Others might be sincere, but they can still be wrong.<p> (Plus, I find it a little hard to believe that Darlton would make the token Arab character turn evil at this point, after spending so much effort showing that "Muslims can be good folk too.")
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my guess is that she doesn't see John when she looks at him - she sees someone else (probably the Man in Black's earlier form).<p> i agree that that comes across as full-blown crazy, but it might not be: after all, in the same ep, Hurley could see and talk to Jacob but Jack couldn't. For all we know, it is as rational for Claire to see notLocke as not-remotely-Locke as it is for Hurley to see Jacob (or Miles to listen to spirits, etc).
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Sorry but I strongly disagree that these new flashes are similar to the tired old flashbacks. I think they are extremely interesting, not only because we see just how different these characters (and their lives) are without the island's/Jacobs's influence, but they all seem to be hinting that they have some memory of the island. After all, why would jack suddenly change from being a dick of a dad his whole life and suddenly after this plane ride, he loves his son, is more open and sensitive and wants to be part of his son's life? Clearly, the influence of their time on the island isn't erased even if that timeline is.
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Unless Darlton takes a VERY hard line on what's canon and what isn't, the Dharma Initiative was founded after the Cuban Missle Crisis.
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New Tuesday. Is Dawn in trouble?
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They are built on land, not just floating there. What can sink though is a ship. Ships also have wheels you can move them with and can travel, both things this island has.
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There was a lot of hype about Charlie coming back this season. <p> I'm beginning to think it will be little more that a cameo. I can't imagine him getting his own flash-sideways episode given he doesn't exist on-island. <p> My fundamental problem with the 'ALT' timeline, is that it's hard to care for the characters because they still don't feel like the 'real' ones. This might change when more is revealed<br/> It's a bit like Dr Who whenever the Dr split in two, and one half went away with Rose. It always seemed a cop-out that she didn't end up with the *actual* Doctor, even if the other one was basically the same.
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Well other than the water level rising of course due to natural conditions around it changing, but that isn't what we're talking about. I meant can't sink in the way people are talking about here. Can't sink like a ship sinks.
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Happy Jack wasn't old, but he was a man.<br> He lived in the sand at the Isle of Man.<br> The kids would all sing, he would take the wrong key,<br> So they rode on his head in their furry donkey.<br><br>Ωh my! <br><br>If that's what youz be sayin. That.. Who single was "Happy Jack" - A side ..and "Whiskey Man" - B side ..."I've been away.."<br><br> Whiskey Man's my friend, he's with me nearly all the time<br> He always joins me when I drink, and we get on just fine<br> <br> Nobody has ever seen him, I'm the only one<br> Seemingly I must be mad, Insanity is fun<br> If that's the way it's done...<br><br><br> Right on Kitty. Right on. Skipping record indeed.<br><br> Now! Goin Dark!
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Well, Hugo has been known to see dead folks earlier too, like way Miles can talk to them. So the thought that Claire can see him for what he is, makes it even more creepy, though I like the idea.<p> Also, won't it kinda confirm that MIB isn't Christian? Coz she does mention her friend and her dad as very different persona.
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As I said, I wasn't sure if Dharma existed in some form during that time period.
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Or have polar bears on 'em.<p> Or giant black smoke monsters.<p> Or diametrically-opposed demigods.<p> Or massive pockets of electromagnetic energy.<p> Or ghosts of dead relatives.<p> Or jungle people who do not age.<p> Or Juliette's sweet sweet boobies.<p> So, I ain't gonna call out any idea for being "unrealistic" when it comes to LOST.
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Will the above listed be spoileriffic? Cause I'm just viewing the headers and trying to calm my troll rage.
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I wasn't criticizing the show, I was saying I thought the island might be a ship of some kind.
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Another land that slipped beneath the waves.
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HAHAHAHA
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Good observation. Ive heard this theory before but thats the first time I heard something convincing.
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most of the talk is the ending, what is the alt universe, so unless Darlton is posting with the final ep not yet filmed, don't think there is any spoilers. <p> That said with so many theories, and so many people giving their thoughts, that on chance alone someone is probably right or close to right
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I toss out a nonsensical non-sequitur about the Who Maximum R&B poster in the background and MacFaux ties it in to the Happy Jack single. See, I believe a smaller replica of that famous poster was included with the Live at Leeds album, so I didn't connect it to the Happy Jack single or the implication that on the LA X side of reality we have a Happier Jack than we're used to.<p>Although I suppose Leeds is an Isle, isn't it?<p>No, Rizzo, I don;t think connecting the Who poster to our Happier Jack is "spoil-y" and as for the one much higher in the talkback, no, I don;t think the fact that Hurley will still be overweight in the series finale episode should really come as a surprise to anyone or ruin anyone for anybody.<p>Seriously, if you're been watching Lost for five years and a month and your big concern is "Will Hugo Reyes ever lose weight from all that running around in the jungle and sweating", you may be missing the bigger picture.
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March 2, 2010, 8:54 a.m. CST
onezeroone: i wouldn't rule out that MIB might be Christian too
by newc0253
They haven't made clear who or what Christian is & I think there's lots of evidence either way. I tend to think he isn't the MIB but something separate: e.g. he hangs around in Jacob's cabin, gives fairly specific instructions re moving the Island, has an interest in both his kids (Jack and Claire), etc.<p> On the other hand, MIB/Smokey can appear as lots of people, he could appear as Christian too. Plus, from what we now know about crazy Claire, he seems to have been a pretty major influence in making her crazy.<p>
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Since Keamy is pretty dead, unless they're going all Xombi season on us, I expect we'll be seeing the LA X version of Keamy this week.<p>But I wonder if we'll be seeing Temple Others Cindy, Zach and Emma or LA X Cindy, Zach and Emma? Probably the Temple residents, since there'd be no reason for the Children's fates off island to be connected to a flight attendant from a plane that came to LA on. Unless they actually manage to give us separate Cindy, Zach and Emma cameos. Which I can't see as being very likely in a Sayid-centric episode. Especially since LA X 2004 Zach and Emma would have been three years younger than the 2007 Temple other versions.<p>So I guess I pretty much answered my own ponder. But if we see Xombi Keamy I will be surprised as heck.
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Needs a new/better hobby? Yeah, I thought so.
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about des = william wallace last week, cant believe people have run with it (if i was indeed the first to say it) <br>my initial thought was des is the person coming back so i made a leap to the wallace name afterwards as a joke. <p>i have no problem with the flash sideways per say, its the length of time they take up in the show. i know its similiar to how the show has always been (50/50 flash) but at this point in time we dont need the lengthy scenes of kate losing her handcuffs, etc. <br>i genuinely love the show but even ignoring our need for answers there seems alot of talk and no do recently.
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Whaaaaaaaaaaat!?
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Whaaaaaaaaaaat!?
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prefer to ignore her. <p> Much prefer trolls like Dioxholster and his Stargate obsession
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First episode: the smoke monster isn't a what, it's a who. The fate of the stewardess. Then: what happened with Claire. Two most recent episodes: additional significance of The Numbers. Discussion of fan theory about Adam & Eve.<p>I'd consider those examples of "answers coming fast and furious". The season is only 1/3rd over, more answers will be coming before the ned.
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Did I miss the memo about the spelling of Zombie?
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troll vs troll. believe it. now watch them bite!
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Or the WHAT the fuck are you talking about?
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March 2, 2010, 9:08 a.m. CST
everyone i hear discussing this season says its GARBAGE.
by RedHorseVector
and i just sit there laughing and laughing and laughing...
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the promos really don't help with impatient viewers or the viewers who really just want to read the last few pages of this "book".
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did anyone else think it looked like a mini tawaret statue? looked like an animal skull with a fake babies body. havent seen many hippos in lost yet tho to get the skull from
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March 2, 2010, 9:12 a.m. CST
No, those are answers. They just arent spelled out for retards
by ToughGuyRizzo
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Did you not catch the part where it was explained how Jacob watched and selected the characters, altered their fates, and brought them to the island as candidates so that they can ultimately use their free will to make a fateful decision? And this explains what the show has been about for six years?
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get the impression there people sitting at home with a checklist of the questions they want answered, waiting to tick off all the questions and then shout out Bingo!!
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Hi troll. We covered this in our previous talkback. Please get on board and go to coaxial and re-read before posting this shit.
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Nooooooo! Stop ruining the show with these spoilers! Well I guess you're right, it does suck. Fuck LOST!
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I can't help but hope (and I really think so, too) that all the flash-sideways detail will relevant when we come to the point where the timelines converge or somehow interact with one another. Short of that eventuality, all the LA X scenes would truly be pointless and a big disappointment.
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Actual LOST discussion, anyone? I'm really starting to get on board with the idea of the island working similarly to the Bleed in The Authority comic books. This arterial highway connecting all realities.
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Look, I certainly don't mean to foment a comparative discussion between Atheists and believers in conventional Judeo-Christian religions. Because we all know how dull and off-the-topic-of-Lost those incredibly polite, civilized and well reasoned debates can be.<p>But given the Hypothetical of the existence of a Hell, a netherworld afterlife designed for the punishment of evil for all eternity... Well, remember Devil Flanders stuffing damned Homer with his donut machine? Well, one image of Hell is the "too much of whatever you lusted after" and the other is "an eternity of whatever you hate."<p>In the case of sci-fi geeks, TV fanatics and internet trolls, Hell would be to be eternally forced to watch a TV show you hate, then try to discuss it with people who have contempt for you and scorn everything you have to say.<p>Lost trolls who show up here every week to let us know they hate Lost, and yet keep on watching the show and posting here anyway... well, they've made their own Hell on Earth here, haven't they?<p>Schaedenfreude, baby. I love people telling me why I shouldn't like things I enjoy. It means I'm having a better time than they are.
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you what? one thing im not is a fucking troll, go try that shite on someone else <br>granted i only started posting this season so scuse me if im not a regular, but im beginning to realise why its taking me 6 seasons to post and just reading here instead. wheres the ignore button??
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rrrrr
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I like this idea more than any other. Which is also why I like the idea that the island works as a point of intersection for all these different realities. It at least on a basic level, provides, at least to my liking, a good explanation for almost all of what we've seen.
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Yes, you are a troll. A regular is not a troll, you, in fact are. <br><br> So please tell us why it's taken you 6 seasons to post. <br><br> BTW, you'll NEVER find an ignore button on here.
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crezwell is probably lostchild... see...they bite!
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I'm new here too. Never heard or seen you act like a troll. For some reason there's alot of "this is our club and if you weren't one of the first you're a troll regardless of what you say" going on. Try not to take it too personally. I, btw, don't get the point of the fake baby. It seemed like overkill. If there is some significance to it. The writers did a shitty job of setting it up. Which I'm willing to grant but I hope not.
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We don't need no new-fangled edit or ignore buttons or auto-formatting or anything the snotty kids take for granted these days. <p> We still talkback uphill both ways barefoot through snow up to our collar bones. And we like it.
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think that was my original view on the island, still VALIS like but existing as a constant across all realities. <p> Have now changed to its VALIS like only existing in one reality, but capable of creating a new one, at the expense of the existing reality and it's "life"
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I thought it was people like lostboy who just post shit about people and the show but don't respond to actual debate. Why does infrequency in a tb make you a troll.
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What am I talking about? Is this talkback already too long for you to read it? I put up a joke theory that the Who poster in the room at David's mother's house - the one with the phone answering machine with the saved messages - had no significance. Sort of a joke riff on the folks who try to squeeze meaning out of every tiny detail on the screen.<p>But MacFaux came back and cited a "significant" link that may also have been a joke: That poster was used to promote the bands single "Happy Jack". MacF labeled this as "spooil-y" so when you asked about a message labeled spoiler "up above" I thought that might be the one you were referring to and I wanted to assure you that it was not.<p>Hey, I've been here under other names for six years but I've never worked on Lost so when I post something that starts with "Here's how Lost ends" it's usually a joke. However if you read 200 serious such theories, odds are someone will hit on a few of the series finale points eventually. Th one above here labeled "spoilerific" was "Hurley will still be fat" which probably comes as no surprise.<p>PS, Tuffin: about that abhorantly offensive word you used above in one of your subject lines? "No, you are."
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Don't suppose you could "cliffs-notes" VALIS for me. I read up on it when it first surfaced as a inspiration, but can't really recall the specifics.
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OMG I know, right? What the hell is wrong with this stupid show and the stupid people who like it? You know what I hate the most, though...
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guess im not in the "cool" club eh!! i dont take it personally and i dont bite, but if someone had actually read my posts theyd see im not a troll. <br>just another persons posts to skip from now on tho i guess. i was joking about the ignore button, you should try it sometime, joke i mean. <br>i will answer why its taken me so long to post tho. i live in england, which means we're late to the party (or the club if you like) and so by the time ive seen the episode the talkbacks massive and moved on. but as its the last year and i dont watch a great deal other tv i thought "fuck it", ill post. but i only post prior to the show unless im really bored at work, which i am right now.
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dude! give crezwell a break, hes not trolling!
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God is a piece of technology that transmits directly to our brains. We're not fully functional, however, receive the transmissions imperfectly.
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Seriously? Just a blank screen for an hour? abc's really dropping the ball. Thanks for the heads up.
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But at the same time, I can dish LOST talk. <br><br> Sory if I call out bulshitters. I feel like the "group" here has invested 6 seasons worth of talkback. The rest of the trolls just jump on the season 6 bandwagon.
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honestly really enjoyed the book, had a quick look on wikipedia, and summary there is reasonable if you are not interested in reading the book.
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Thanks. It would definitely be a catch all answer since you can't really go wrong with "God did it". I just hope there is a Warren Ellis/ Kurt Vonnegut style explanation for all of it. A crazy mash up a psychedelia/religion/and meta-physics.
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Im goin back to Des trying to keep Charlie from dying, that the universe has a way of course correcting. I think Des, and the detonation of the bomb, and the Alterna-verse are all part of a VERY complex 12 Monkeys type of situation. Everything that has happened is all interlinked, and had to happen. The Universe has been dealt some serious blows with all of these incidents, incidents that have caused paradoxes and so the Universe attempting to course correct. <P> By detonating the bomb the Losties would have reset the timeline...but if so than they would never have been able to go back in the first place to detonate the bomb. Paradox. So the Universe course corrected by creating this alternate timeline. The cool thing about this is that its not the same type of alternate dimension you would find with the multi-verse theory. Those types of universes "in theory" are natural and constantly occurring. The Alternaverse created by the Losties is a forced alternate dimension, the result of an action that could have potentially destroyed the Universe (if you follow the Doc Brown theory of universe-ending paradoxes). <P> There is more going on here, obviously, with Jacob and all that shit. Im still very convinced in all of this that Jack, Locke, and Sawyer are the ones to watch, with Desmond being the variable that will ultimately be the key to unraveling this whole thing.
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Yeah it really is on my list. I got like 30 Alan Moore books for Christmas and am just about done with them and then I'm starting Dark Tower. But, eventually, I'll get there.
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I love King, but am stuck at book four of the series. <p> Just recently finished reading Talisman by King and Straub, loved it. Finally read The Stand a few months ago, also loved it.<p> King and Lost go together very well
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Alright, this is about to get screwy. If we accept that there is the possibility of ever having an alternate time line, then we have to stop looking at time as linear. You can't have linear time in the grand scheme of things if existence can be split, we would only experience it that way. And if time doesn't exist progressively then, technically there is always multiple realities existing all on top of one another. So while you would becorrect for the people experiencing those events(i.e.; reality not splintering until the bomb). That has always been. And will always be. WHH, and such.
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(but not you toughguy) when im through watching the episode Wednesday night. <br>unless i see something profound and feel the need to post somthing that hasnt already been saeid ill be back for more fun and frolics next tuesday. ive been crezwell, youve been a greeeeaaaat audience.
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"psychedelia/religion/and meta-physics" <p> Oh, VALIS has all that. Dick had his own style that was sort of syncretic of mysticism and sci fi. I'll get an argument on this next point, but I always felt that AKD and Jack Parsons (as persons, not as authors, clearly, as Parsons wasn't much of one) had some certain something in common. A lust, perhaps, more than a style. <p> If you're not familiar with what Parsons did, it's a fascinating tale of foolish genius.
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If you haven't, you should read Slaughterhouse Five. Great stuff about the time travel aspects of LOST. I really liked The Stand and actually just read the Cap. Tripps books. Good stuff if you liked The Stand and don't mind comic books.
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Just skimmed Parson's on wikipedia. Thank you, sir. I love reading stories like that. Now I'm gonna spend the day reading up on this crazy bastard.
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Exactly. All this already happened, but the story has been unfolding from the perspective of the characters. Maybe kind of a duh thing to say, but if we can assume that all this has happened from the perspective of the Losties who dont know wtf is going on, but all these things have unwittingly been cause by them, the question, then, is why? Why did Jacob and MIB bring them to the island in the first place to cause all this stuff from happening? Why has he been manipulating all of them in place in order to get all of these things to happen?
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Cause last weeks LOST tb was kinda done. I called you out, and you reacted exactly like every toll does. <br><br> I dont expect the regulars to chime in, I guess I'm the one to do what everyone thinks, but doesnt post. Or does not want get into .
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One thing that I think is really important to point out is that up until this point the Others and Dharma have been sort of on the inside track about all of these things happening. But now that the bomb was detonated pretty much everyone, except for MAYBE Jacob and MIB, dont know whats going to happen. Eloise made this clear at the end of last season. As of now, everything happening on the island, as far as we know, is unexplored history. <P> Hmm, maybe kind of a duh thing, but this thought just popped into my head, kinda helps me to organize how the story has worked. The villains in the story keep unfolding. In Season 1 and 2 we thought it was Dharma who knew what was going on. Season 3 and 4 we thought it was the Others who knew what was going on. Season 5 we thought it was Widmore and Ben. But it all has unfolded to show that even all of them were "Lost" in their own way. The question now is, does Jacob and MIB know what is going on, or are they two "Lost" in a manner of speaking? Maybe its because they are Lost that they have caused all of this to happen. Maybe Jacob and MIB are looking for their own answers and its pushed them to cause all these things in order to find them.
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and I wouldn't like you if you got angry. I might if you didn't, though.<p>But there is no "group" with proprietary claim to the Lost talk-back at AICN. It's a public forum and if someone decides to drop in for the first time and make a comment or two, that does not make them a troll.<p>As for the "group", the AICN Lost TB has evolved over the years. I think there are still a few spoiler=avoiding and troll shunning regulars hanging out in the previous season finale talkback. A few who visit the troll-free zone at Room 23. Some who've dropped out along the way. A couple who've stayed in touch with Napoleon Park over at facebook. A number of us who came back from being banned a bit more cowtowed and less garrulous and more civilized, with different IDs. And, sadly, at least one old friend we know of in prison. So that old "group" is too widely scattered to claim ownership of this public forum.<p>Just like a Yahoo group, a forum like this needs fresh blood to keep it alive and new ideas to keep it from growing stagnant, so though you may see yourself as the defender of the clubhouse, frankly, you're not doing anyone here any favors by trying to shoo away the newbies. Play nice and try to make some new friends. We're all here to discuss Lost. Except for the texassstampontroll who just keeps coming back because he's addicted to the abuse.
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I predict 3 separate camps, firstly the ones who feel let down and disappointed who will be vocal, secondly the ones who felt it was a fitting finale and have lots to reflect upon and finally the group who didn't understand it so decided to whine about it on the forums.
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That there is any significance to the fact that back in season 1, the warning that the others were coming was a fire made to produce a black column of smoke rising into the sky. Is this somehow related to Ole Smokey?
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...and his story could make for an interesting film IMHO. Though I do imagine that The Church of Scientology might have some problems with the necessary portrayal of Hubbard as nothing but a conman. The truth hurts, as they say.
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you may have never gotten the point of this entire series.
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Its just tough to hear complete bullshit from people who havent been on talkbacks ever. <br><br> Its also what I've invested in this show that triggers it. Sorry if it strikes a nerve, but I know what you'e sayin
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Cause what you says matters on here. People really DO respect your word.
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March 2, 2010, 10:49 a.m. CST
I hope they move towards the alt-universe end game soon
by HoichiTheEarless
I'm a little leary that the entire season is going to be flash-sideways based. It's pretty clear there will be some kind of crossover between the timelines (perhaps the biggest hint is that they're making the trademark "woosh" sound like it's breaking down). But other than the rickety-woosh and Jack's feeling of deja-vu when he spoke to Desmond, this has been slow to develop. I hope it doesn't take all season for it to move towards the end game. The alt-universe is moderately interesting but not enough to maintain as the narrative structure for the entire season.
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Thanks man. I thought Rizzo was cool, but you've set me straight. Fuck that guy. And, you're right you can put gay in his name instead of guy. Oh, man wicked burn. How's that feel Rizzo. You got burned big timed. Way to serve a punk,lostboy. You're the man, now, dog.
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(when is this site going to update it's shitty talkback system?) About the "others" warning, it wasn't the others who set the fire. It was a ruse by Rousseau.
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Wanna know why I didnt POST shit? <br><br> In the last 10 years I was in the US NAVY. Stationed all around the world. I might have read in, but never had a greatest internet connection. <br><br> I dont fake moves on here. You gonna post something about yourself?
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Dude it's over. lostboytexass fucking destroyed you. You have no reason to live. You should kill yourself, but mostly cuz you're gay like he said. And being gay is the worst thing anyone could ever be. Thats what makes it such a perfect insult.
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Who attacked Josh? Too easy. Really?
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Who attacked Josh? Too easy. Really?
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It was a ruse? Ok, I admit its been a while since I watched season 1. I do recall Sayid and Charlie pursuing Russo to the source of the black smoke, but didn't recall that Russo had set it herself - did she?
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Whatever you say.....means something. <br><br> Especially on this talkback
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Dude, I'm being sarcastic. I appreciate your input. I just can't stand lostboytexass.
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I am not lostboytexass. I don't hate gay people, nor do I think Rizzo should kill himself. I thought the sarcasm would come through since I was laying it on pretty thick.
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All right i have been looking for scars (echoes of alternaverse) in the main timeline. And something has always bugged me when does jack and or claire realize they are brother and sister. Did i just overlook these eps or have claire and jack never had the im your brother talk?
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March 2, 2010, 11:20 a.m. CST
Is anyone getting the point of the alt flashbacks yet?
by Tom_Bombadil
I am still expecting something unusual to happen in the alt flashback stories. they are so apparently uneventful to telling the ending to Lost. At least to me...
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So if island Jack and Frank were to get on a plane and fly off the island, straight to Los Angeles, and then Jack were to take a cab to his house, would he then meet himself? If flash sideways are not an alternate reality, then there are now two of each of the Losties in existence in the same reality?
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i remember the ep where claires mom is in the coma with Christian. I think jack/kate found out about claire in the flash-forwards if i recall.
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... since we were shown that the island was "sunk" and now is under water.
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last week's episode was great...awesome storytelling...the alt timeline is important...Herc obviously is not a hard core fan of the show...if you don't get the show then don't watch
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it was at christians funeral in the flash forward
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Then perhaps there are two islands .... one sunk in 1977 and an additional one that the Losties are now on. The one that was sunk was where everything was going to shit. And the new one is where the Losties are now becoming aware of their role in the larger war, starting with Jack realizing that he actually is important.
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Yeah the first 5 seasons were awesome but, this season, this is the one that sucks. Good observation. I never would have noticed that otherwise.
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I got your sarcasm bro. It was pretty obvious. Dude's just let the troll get under his skin.
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March 2, 2010, 11:33 a.m. CST
Or perhaps the Losties did in fact die when the bomb went off
by Lamerz
They are on the island, which is in fact underwater. How could that be? The on-island Losties are not, in fact, alive. Instead, their souls are on the island and it appears to them that they are alive and that the island is above water as it used to be.<P>Hmmmmmmm...
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FUCK.
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FUCK.
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You know they're going to do it<p> Just to give you the finger for 6 years of your life
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But I really really hope number 108 is Walt. That would tie nicely into the beginning of the series and the 'specialness' of Walt. If you recall, he had a lot of similar characteristics of jacob / smokey - psychic, ability to transport / project himself, 'listen' to the island.
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When you're trying to make sense of the 2 realities, we've been seeing 2007 in the original reality and 2004 in the new one. <p> Overlooking that detail can cause much needless brain-twisting.
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Thank you so much for that. AIDS? Really? Best you got than. Thanks for exposing yourself yet again.
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its not souls the island exists outside of time, space, and reality Faraday plays a bigger role in all this stuff. And Desmond will probably come back with Faraday and Chuck Widmore. Just some thoughts bored today.
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Yeah, get him. Stupid gay fuck, coming to a LOST talkback to talk constructively about LOST. This is for people who hate it!
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High five. Some people just refuse to accept it.
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Cause, seriously, he got me. What, no AIDS comment LChild? Josh, thanx for the clarification.
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Might Sayid be seen as a replacement to Richard? Dunno why but just thought about it and I imagine Richard took the same "bath" Sayid did, perhaps has a shady past as a sailor or captain on the Black Rock, and their temperments seem similar. I know, this is way out there, just something that popped in my head I thought Id shoot out there.
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I thought Jacob just told Hurley that in orderto get Jack to "come back" metaphorically.
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You're a dick, but I thought that last post was fucking funny. more of that, please. Less of the other.
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... from previous seasons. Only the flash sideways now. The flash forwards from previous seasons are gone now as a result of the 1977 reset. Now (in S6) both the on island and off island stuff are in 2004, right? I was saying that the events on and off island in S6 are occurring at the same time, in the same reality. That there are two Jacks in 2004 in the same reality.
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Dude are you hitting on me? Cuz I heard you were gay from a pretty reliable source. And that is fucking gross. The very idea of gay people is so gross to me, that it is the only/best insult I can think of. Hey is there any research to suggest that my anonymous hatred of gay people is really because I myself am gay?
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I'm seeing a lot of people who think the changes in the timeline happened in 2004 on the plane. This is not the case. The timeline diverged at the very least back in 1977 when they detonated the bomb and quite possibly even earlier. So their lives are better because there have been almost 40 years for each of the timelines to play out differently. That's a lot of time for things to change.
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The reset did not happen in 2004. It was 1977.
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In the season opener? Was that a transfer wound? Did I miss something?
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S6 has been pretty solid thus far, but if Desmond is really returning (just speculation, not a spoiler), this season is going to go from very good to amazing FAST. <br><br> And if I were Jin, I'd be like "Oh ya, ya Kate did take your baby. You should probably take an axe to her head. Yup."
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http://tinyurl.com/yjponzf - Locke<br>http://tinyurl.com/8ypbzh - Ben<br>http://tinyurl.com/yh436jb - Jack<p>Hmmmm...any ideas out there? Was Jack laying over the Island's "Entrance" maybe? Forgive me if it's already been discussed.
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This may have been mentioned but if not: Maybe Claire wants to kill Kate, not because she took and raised her baby, BUT because she took her baby off the island. That idea makes it more believable to me why she would want to kill Kate. I think the real reason she might be "crazy" is because she can see the truth behind a lot of what is going on, that maybe she can now see MIB for what he truly is and not any guise he has on. And she would be mad at Kate because she understand that for everything to play out, Aaron needs to be back on the island (and with Claire)
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I agree Myamoto and the rest who say if you didn't like last weeks episode, and didn't appreciate jacks struggles, both on and off the island, especially off the island with his son, you probably aren't really as big a fan of the series as you think you are. Once again, Jack was entirely consistent with his character, no one writes hm quite like darlton. And how much of this series has revolved around daddy issues? Oh, that's right, almost all of it. Especially jacks, and seeing his attempt to break that cycle was wonderful. Sorry Herc, your post this week is an utter fail. I usually agree with you in the coax, but that shit is way off.
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hahahahahahaha! I get it cuz the sentence doesn't make sense. Implying that Cuse is an idiot. Which he obviously is, what with him being a millionaire a few times over due to his massively shitty TV show. What a fucking stupid worthless fuck. He should troll on talkbacks. That is true creativity and genius.
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If you mean that Richard is ageless because of presumably being dipped in the temple spring, I think not. Ben was also (presumably) dipped in the spring but continues to age. I think the source of Richard's agelessness is, as Richard himself said before, due to Jacob directly.
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Tru dat. It was a stretch.
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March 2, 2010, 12:19 p.m. CST
watch Lost in reverse from season 5 to 1. It all makes sense!!
by theDannerDaliel
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To me the fake baby had the look of the 'egyptian" statue (Taweret?), anyone get that impression?
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Refuse to accept that the Altern-verse is 2004 not 2007.
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than 1977. Think about it, The DI had already decided to evacuate the island and Ben had been taken to the temple by Richard before Jughead went off. If the the reset was at that moment then how did Ben get off the Island to become a nerdy European history teacher in the altline? Also Ethan had just been born to Amy and Horace Goodspeed and it can be assumed was on the submarine with his mother. That would seem to indicate that in the previous timeline he came back to the island at some point and became an other. It seems pretty obvious to me that the split happened before 1977 but I can't find anything to suggest when it did happen. Only thing I can think of is maybe the timeline was altered as far back as the earliest appearance of the time travelers when they were skipping. Like they left some sort of trace which the energy released during The Incident honed in on. If that's the case the split could have been triggered centuries ago when they saw the statue and the well where the orchid would later be built. Thoughts, criticisms?
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ok...the flash forwards from previous seasons still happened. <p> now...the events on the island in S6 are taking place in 2007 because Sun and the rest of the folks who just buried Locke's body have not time-shifted since leaving the island, spending 3 years in civilisation and crashing-landing their plane back on the island again - 2007.
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no evidence for this, but if babys born on the island are important, perhaps Richard was born there (maybe from some woman on Black Rock), and Jacob has the power to extend the life of such a child. They can be killed, but may live a long long time...maybe as soldiers/deciples of Jacob.
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So now you know the secret. I've had a lot of vicodin today...wee! psi.
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In seasons 4/5 flash foward off island stuff was 2007. That's why I thought the off island events in 2004 are occuring simultaneously and in the same reality as the on-island events.
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FUCK.
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I totally agree. It just has all the markings of a misdirect, for it to be 77. I feel like it will have to be an event we haven't seen.
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March 2, 2010, 12:34 p.m. CST
djdrew5150: They haven't had "the talk" in either timeline.
by Royston Lodge
In Reality#1, Jack & Kate found out on the mainland that Claire is Jack's brother. But Jack has NOT been face-to-face with Claire since he has returned to the island. Jack doesn't even know if Claire is alive or not.<p> In Reality#2, as was previously mentioned, Jack has just found out that Claire exists (thanks to his dad's will) but he still doesn't know that she's his sister.<p> Claire, of course, doesn't know Jack's her brother in either reality.<p> As an aside, I think it's interesting that the writers made Jack & Claire brother and sister, and yet didn't give Jack and Claire a particularly close relationship while they were on the island. Jack was way friendlier with other characters. To Jack, Claire seemed like "just another Lostie".<p> Kinda refreshing, really. No stupid "Luke kissing Leia" jokes.
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In Reality#3, it turns out that the Valenzetti Equation is actually a FUCKING EDIT BUTTON!!!!!<p> Sign the "AICN Edit Button Petition":<p> http://tinyurl.com/editbttn
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I think I agree with you. That makes sense. If it did happen I would guess it happened around the time Widmore was still young on the island, when the bomb was first brought there. I think it was like the 50s.
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I forget...what exactly happened when they were in the 50s? Aside from Faraday getting shot...
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I've heard that Damon said that the island sank because of Jughead, but they've also said plenty of stuff in the past that ended up being total bullshit. Which when you think about it, wouldn't you. If you could throw people off and do a really big flash-forward reveal, why wouldn't you say "there will be no time travel". Doesn't cost them a thing. So for that reason I am holding out hope for a big reveal as the reason the island is underwater.
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Much has been made of the fact that Jack recognizes Desmond on the plane. It's supposed to be evidence that AlternaJack has memory fragments from the island.<p> But is there any reason that the nuke would prevent Jack from meeting Desmond during their late-night run at the sports stadium?<p> Is there really any reason that the sinking of the island would prevent either Desmond or Jack from being at the stadium at that moment in Reality#2?<p> Only reason I can think of would be if Widmore has been killed before he had a chance to father Penny.<p> But that would contradict the theory I like that the reason babies can't be born on the island is that people have to exist in both realities. If Penny only exists in one reality, that would tear the baby theory to shreds.
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"...the reason babies can't be born on the island is that people have to exist in both realities." <p> That I hadn't thought of this before, Royston. Brilliant.
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Interesting about the babies thing... <P> As far as Widmore goes, yeah, thats a really good question. If he didnt father Penny then that would change a hell of a lot.
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Well Desmonds life would be quite different regardless. If it wasnt for Penny he wouldnt have gone on his trip but even if he had the island wouldnt have been there anyway.
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What could have changed due to the explosion is crazy enough to think of without the thought of the other group left behind that joined dharmaville in like 74 could have rippled out and touched. Ben is a problem dont understand how he'd be off the island or dogon like i heard earlier it seems like hes been there for a ricard length of time (derived from his opinions on the english language) just a feeling. Sawyer is running a con but I dont think is awre that lockes dad is the Sawyer hes been looking for. As a potential foil to his plan another way for Smokey to manipulate regardless...
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locke kills desmond in episode 12. hurley eats a bus in episode 14. the island's history is divulged in episode 15. one of these is false.
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Something about his travels always confused me. Unlike the main group of Losties his travels did not seem to have affected anything until he actually started to jump. This seems different from the main Losties who we have been told have been affecting the timeline as far back as 1950 or even before. <P> So what the hell is different about Des?! Seems like he is time traveling more in line with a Back to the Future type time travel as opposed to the Losties who were traveling 12 Monkeys style. But even then he has never physically travelled, only mind traveled, and one time he reverse-mindtraveled, had his younger self in control, and then ANOTHER time his memories changed for some reason when Farady spoke to him in the past. WTF?! I love it, but its damn confusing.
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They need to get Desmond back on the show asap. Fav character.
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...belonged to Jacob. unLocke took Sawyer to a cave. The cave had names. Jacob gave Hurley instructions to get to the lighthouse and to take Jack. At the cave, unLocke took a white rock off a scale and threw it; he crossed off Locke's name on the wall. Jack destroyed the lighthouse "mechanism" that also had names on it, with several names crossed off. Isn't it possible the lighthouse belongs to Man in Black and the cave belongs to Jacob? Maybe Jack did exactly what Jacob expected and wanted to happen. The lighthouse to me seems very "un-Jacob." All those gears and mechanics and details. Gears...the mechaninical sound of gears...smokey.
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Do we? I didnt...
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to me though.
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You're right about Jacbo & the Lighthouse. It's been stated before that Jacob dislikes technology, and the cave is low tech compared to the lighthouse contraption.
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The baby theory is NOT MINE. It was mentioned by someone else in a different talkback.
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Even if Penny exists, her life would have been completely different. Papa Widmore is likely dead, or if he's not, his life is different as he's no longer obsessed with the island. It was really Papa Widmore who was the impetus for Desmond wanting to train for the sailing race. If there's no island does Widmore's race even exist and is Desmond training in the stadium where he runs into Jack? Seems like a good chance they would not have previously met in the alternative timeline.
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You know, looking at the lostpedia website, I remembered it wrong. Rousseau did kidnap Claire's baby, but I thought the black smoke was part of the distraction. Actually she did really think the pillar of smoke was generated by the others and there's probably nothing to indicate it wasn't. My bad.
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You know, looking at the lostpedia website, I remembered it wrong. Rousseau did kidnap Claire's baby, but I thought the black smoke was part of the distraction. Actually she did really think the pillar of smoke was generated by the others and there's probably nothing to indicate it wasn't. My bad.
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...really wanna read and comment but i wanna go into this ep wit NO knowledge... just remember your step daddys theories!
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Who is to say that the cave OR the lighthouse belong to Jacob? Do we KNOW that Jacob wrote all the names on the cave wall? Did UnLocke ever SAY that it was Jacob keeping track of all these names and numbers? He said, "Jacob has a thing for numbers," but I don't think he ever said that Jacob wrote the names down, or that it was Jacob who actually assigned the numbers.<p> Here's a crazy theory: Esau knows that "Jacob has a thing for numbers", so he'd been filling Jacob's imagination with all this stuff regarding The Numbers.<p> Maybe Esau assigned the numbers to each of the "candidates".<p> Maybe Esau is even the one who CHOSE the "candidates", and Jacob can been unwittingly dancing to Esau's fiddle?<p> I'm not married to this theory. I'm just throwing it out there.
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lostboys comments...he/she is funny (as long as you dont read them thinkin you have to defend losts honor and actually have a sense of humor)
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he's funny until he posts a giant spoiler. which he's done.
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Please refrence wikipedia as your source for all knowledge. Genius.
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Assuming that the timelines diverge in 1977, I think Widmore should be alive in Reality#2. He was exiled from the island long before 1977.<p> If Widmore's alive, I think it's safe to assume that he is still a super-rich businessman. After all, evidence suggests that he has an extended lifespan, and his company is connected to the company that originally owned the Black Rock.<p> I think it's also safe to assume that he's still interested in the island. Since we know Dharmaville existed, it's safe to assume the Others also existed, and that Widmore was their leader at one point.<p> So, assuming all this (Widmore's alive, fathered Penny, is rich-as-fuck, and still has interests in the island), is there any reason why his poor opinion of Desmond should change? Is there any reason that, this time around, he actually APPROVES of Desmond? And is there really any reason why he wouldn't sponsor an around-the-world sailing challenge?<p> Here's how I think Desmond's story will play out:<p> 1) Desmond and Penny meet and fall in love.<p> 2) Widmore doesn't approve.<p> 3) To prove his worth, Desmond enters Widmore's around-the-world race.<p> 4) Desmond and Jack meet at the Stadium.<p> 5) Because the island is at the bottom of the ocean, Desmond completes his around-the-world trip. He might even win the race.<p> 6) The finish line for the race happens to be in Australia. He is on Oceanic Flight 815 making his way back to show Widmore how awesome he is and to claim Penny as his prize.<p> (Of course, the problem with this theory is that Widmore is based in London, not Los Angeles. Oh well, maybe all the Sydney-to-London flights were sold out...)
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. . . maybe Widmore is using his vast resources to find the island's sunken remains?<p> He had the resources to fake the wreckage of Oceanic 815 after all.<p> So, assuming that the electromagnetic anomaly has been neutralized, and the sunken island is now finally fixed in time as well as space, finding the remains of the island shouldn't be all that difficult for a man of Widmore's resources.<p> Which, if true, could prove very interesting for future storylines...
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Is it just me or am I tired of "THE TIME FOR QUESTIONS IS OVER!" Promo, look you're not answering any questions right now, just adding more. So please cut it out, I know you're not going to answer any questions until the last 2-3 episodes so please cut it the hell out. Last week's episode was boring as hell. And I'm tired of Jack going all Incredible Hulk on everything weird and mystical. Funny how he didn't do that when they were trying to heal Sayid. When you see your boy getting drowned. That's a time you can flip out. I'm praying that this episode is at least interesting.
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I also agree with Herc in how much concern I got from Claire's threat. It was exactly the same as Sawyer's laughable. You're not going to do jack. I also agree with how this is feeling like last season. I don't care about the Flashsideways if anything they just do more to piss me off.
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Up here in the Great White North, CTV runs different promos. They're playing up the "you don't want to miss the final season, dooooo you?" angle, rather than promising answers they know they can't deliver.
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cuz the show has become exactly like playing the first myst<p> nice to look at, but boring as hell
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During the scene where Widmore is exiled, Ben is a young man, already the leader who made the decision to banish him. And Widmore himself is old enough to be played by the same actor who plays him in 2004-2007. So how do you figure that Widmore was exiled "long before 1977" when Ben was a boy and Widmore is a younger man played by a younger actor? <br><br>We've also already seen that whatever split the timelines, whether it's jughead or something more to be revealed later, has caused major divergences that can't easily be explained by the island being destroyed. Jack has a son (Hell, if it's too much to swallow that Desmond's lifepath was altered, it can't be too much to think Jack's has to the point where he wasn't at that stadium). Locke and Helen are still together. Apparently, Locke and his father are on good enough terms that he would be invited to their wedding (so we can assume that whatever put Locke in a wheelchair was not his father throwing him out a window). All these things are different yetit's a stretch that Widmore's lifepath wouldn't be significantly altered by the island he's obsessed with sinking to the bottom of the ocean, leading to different circumstances for both Penny and Desmond? The scene where Jack recognizes Desmond was played in a way to hint that it's more than him recognizing Desmond from the stadium. In the island timeline Jack recognizes Desmond right away even though they met once in a fleeting manner. Why do these differences exist if Desmond's circumstances must remain largely the same?
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I think Sayid's flash-sideways is going to be happy but dull. He gets the girl and things are great. That being said, he's a swarthy muslim man in America in 2004. They could write that he was better off on the island, because there he was an equal, a leader, and a friend. In Reality#2, he's a former Republican Guard and a genuine Iraqi torturer, smack-dab in the thick of the most anti-muslim sentiment in US history.<p> Back in Reality#1, on the other hand, I'm far more optimistic about the prospects for entertainment. Is he really Sayid, or is Sayid dead and his body has been possessed? Possessed by whom? Jacob? Some other demigod we haven't met yet? Or maybe it IS Sayid, but he isn't "cured" per se but is rather "reanimated"? Or maybe he actually IS healed and the Temple Others are just crazy? Or maybe something else entirely? Pretty much every eventuality could lead to some interesting storytelling.<p> And what's the story with the Temple Others? Are they good guys? Are they bad guys? What's their relationship to Richard's Others? Are they working for Jacob or are they Esau's unwitting dupes? Or are they just crazy?<p> Has Claire gone evil or just Rousseau-shit-crazy? Is UnLocke evil or just misunderstood?<p> And where the fuck is Vincent?! (heh heh heh...)<p> Seriously, I like the way this last season has played out so far because the new questions are less about the overall mystery of the island and the metaphysics of how everything works (like the last two seasons). The new questions are more about what's going on inside the characters' heads - their motivations and their challenges.<p> While I love the sci-fi of the last couple of seasons, it did mean that the characters were pretty much being swept along by the forces around them.<p> This season, so far the characters are more in control of their destinies. But being in control means they also have to take responsibility for their choices. They can't just say "Ben made me do it" or "time-travel fucks with your head" when they make a mistake.<p> Plus, I just tend to enjoy Sayid episodes.<p> Yup, I think tonight's gonna be a good episode. (Even though I have to wait until tomorrow to see it. Damned iTunes lag.)
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When Widmore was banished. Alexandra was a little girl. Which. Depending on what you believe about what and who's time line / off Island perception.. gives you a verifiable temporal way point to navigate from.<br><br> What ever that is worth anymore.<br><br> Royston? Question. If I 'award' you a Royston Lodge no-prize... is it still loaded with the Honta virus?<br><br> I am going to make a point on this analogy ...theory in a bit. You might like, as it tracks with your Island infertility theory. <br><br> Point of... What if you are the Cat? ..In the box?
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You are absolutely correct.<p> Your honour, in light of this new evidence the Crown would like to change its plea of "Widmore is still alive" to "Widmore's corpse is being butt-raped by Ezra J. Sharkington".<p> Seriously, you are correct, and I feel like a noob.<p> If the realities diverge in 1977, then Widmore is most likely dead and Penny was never born. Desmond had no reason to race around the world, and thus there would be no reason for him to be at the stadium to meet Jack. Which means there's no rational explanation for Jack recognizing Desmond on the plane.<p> I'm glad we worked THAT out!<p> On to new business. How DO they get the Caramel inside the Caramilk bar?
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TOTALLY! This show is so stupid. Answers to your questions-Really really bad(almost as bad as gay people-which are icky).No, it will be more shit. Not a chance, they'll never work in TV again. Your reputation on the other hand will be stellar. Yes, I'm pretty sure he is.Jealous much?
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So he's been on a full year and I've liked about 3 bits he's done: the saved by the bell castmember reunion interviews, and this Lost parody. ("I'm just the bathroom attendant." "Yeah, that was, like, 4 minutes ago." The quick shot of the one guy not screaming in the elevator). so, out of a full year of comedy, that's a fairly bad ratio BUT that was a very good parody. Sometimes the sun shines on a dog's ass once in awhile.
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Awarding me a Royston Lodge No-Prize would be like typing "google" into Google.<p> It would cause a paradox of such immense proportions that not only would our Universe implode, but the 6 universes adjacent to us would instantly transform into bowls of butterscotch pudding, the 3 universes next to those would expand at such a mighty velocity that all particles would be too far from each other to have any gravitational effect on each other, and the 7 universes after that would all be run by Yugoslavian automotive executives.<p> And I'm sure you wouldn't want that to happen...
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Or was his appearance there another of his jaunts? Perhaps he can travel in both time and space? Jack seemed to wonder where the eff Des went. Didn't he ask Rose about it and she respond that she didn't see? Thought I remembered something like that.
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She did say that, but it feels too early to say who was doing something shady in that scene. All of Roses stuff seemed really weird. About as weird as Desmond suddenly being on the flight.
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...methinks I smell there a signature Darlton red herring. Occam's Razor time: Maybe Rose just never noticed him, like she was reading a magazine or whatever. I don't pay attention to the people around me when I'm on an airplane.
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There's something not upright about these flash sideways. The random appearance of LOSTies in each other's lives feels manipulative. The question I can't help ponder is, why are all the people we're randomly running into people who exist in the original timeline and the answer I keep running back into is that this is a sandbox reality specifically designed to be a "happy ending." It's giving me Last Temptation of Jesus Christ vibes. As if Jack and Co. on the verge of doing what's right, are offered an easy out that they must reconcile and reject before they can accept their unfortunate destinies.
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I'm one of the people that is operating under the assumption that the reset happened in 1977 as a result of the island being sank by Jughead's detonation. If that is the case, then that means that even in the flash-sideways world, Ben was still on the island as a boy, was shot by Sayid, and was saved by the Others. I'm also assuming that young Ben was evacuated off the island with all the DHARMA women and children. When Kate and Sawyer brought wounded young Ben to Richard to be healed, Richard cautioned them that Ben would forevermore be "one of them" if he was saved by the Others. Does that mean in the flash-sideways reality, even though the island has sunk, high school teacher Benjamin Linus still carries the island's influence within him? Does he even remember being on the island as a boy? I wonder how that will all play out.
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Maybe the sense of Deja vu and the appearance of wounds and scars from his island adventure, are clues that the reality's hold on Jack is tenuous and slipping. Perhaps it's he who will lead or "Shepard" the other LOSTies out of this trap and back to their mission.
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March 2, 2010, 3:09 p.m. CST
I'm gonna have to plot the whole timeline out for myself.
by Royston Lodge
Lostopedia has done a good job tracking it all, but I think I'll have to print it all out on a long banner to keep it straight in my head.<p> http://tinyurl.com/lostline
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March 2, 2010, 3:10 p.m. CST
If the island sank in '77 that means no Penny or Faraday
by MrEkoLetMeLive
We saw both pregnant Eloise Hawking and Charles Widmore were on the island in '77 before the bomb blew up. Assuming the Hostiles had no way off the island until they commandeered the DHARMA sub, that means that Charles and Eloise would both have died on the island when it sank. That certainly means no Faraday in the flash-sideways reality, and it also means that unless Penny was born before '77, she wouldn't exist either. As far as I know, in the "first" world, Widmore was kicked off the island by Ben sometime in the 80's, after the DHARMA folk had all been killed in the purge. When we saw Charles' exile in season 5, he was being taken off the island in the DHARMA sub, so I'm not sure if Widmore had ever left the island prior to that point.
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If Jacob turns out to be Aaron and MiB turns out to be David Shepherd, well then Christian Shepherd will be the grandfather to both Jacob & MiB. Just a thought.
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Seems like Des only sat next to Jack for a very short while. Jack also didn't see or notice Des getting off the plane? Especially after he for some reason thought he'd met him before? Jack was the last other than Locke to get off, right?<P>That in conjunction with him explicitly asking about his appendix removal, as if he had no idea when it happened, makes me think there's something wierd going on with off island Jack. He's noticing little details, that perhaps don't jibe with his memories. I think pretty soon he's gonna have a major WTF moment, when some detail is going to kick start a recollection of island events. Perhaps meeting Claire for the "first time"? "Waitaminnit, I know I've met you before!"
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maybe this part is all set up for a spin off show: Lost High School, where students learn lessons of life, love, sickness, and confusion at the hands of bickering teachers. They can have Aaron and David go to school there...and maybe Screech.
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I thought the alternate Jack was interesting. This is all leading to something and this season feels like the first in the pacing and the flashes. There have been a few moments that weren't that great but overall it's been very high quality and I can't wait for tonight.
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I was operating under a similar theory, but there are issues.<p> 1) Faraday was the one to convince Chang to evacuate the women and children. If Jughead changes the timeline so that Faraday doesn't go back in time, then the evacuation shouldn't happen and Ben should be at the bottom of the Ocean.<p> 2) If Jughead has changed the timeline so that Faraday never goes back in time to 1954, then the Others don't get his warning that Jughead's casing is cracked, so everybody should have horrible radiation poisoning. Of course, this might actually have happened, so that in Reality#2 the Others were already dead when Dharma came to the island in the 1960s.<p> Also, there's another bit that you've neglected, but it doesn't really hurt the theory. Ben was with The Others recovering from Sayid's gunshot wound when the women and children were evacuated. But since Jughead changed the timeline so that Sayid never goes back in time, that means Ben was never shot so he would be amongst the evacuees. If they were evacuated. Which they shouldn't have been because Jughead changed the timeline.<p> Clear as mud? ;-)
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I guess I would prefer the just didn't notice explanation. It just feels more authentic.
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LA X perhaps as a "Matrix" type environment (no, not run by machines) where the minds of the Losties are trapped in a false reality that kind of gives them what they want but is not truly real. Hurley being lucky, Jack turning into the ideal dad, Kate escaping the law and helping Claire (?). <P>Dragon Age (video game) also had a demon character that created a false reality for people that would provide contentment for them and trap them.
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March 2, 2010, 3:22 p.m. CST
@Royston ..As you are aware of typing 'google' into Google..
by MacFaux
..and the catastrophic consequences of such a foolish act. I can only assume you must be in close contact with the 'Elders of the Internet' ..is the internet still located on the top of Big Ben? Shhh. Do not tell me. Is is more knowledge than a man should know..<br><br> I would mention, knock not the fantastic of Warsaw Pact automobiles. As you type to a man who once paid $500 Yankee and drove with pride this sweet beast (even had the Commissar Curtains in the back):<br><br> http://tinyurl.com/TatraT613<br><br> ∑ø∆<br><br> All black–one great cloud, drawn from east to west,<br> Conceals the heavens, but there are lights below;<br> Torches burn in Jerusalem, and cast<br> On yonder stony mount a lurid glow.<br> I see men stationed there, and gleaming spears;<br> A sound, too, from afar, invades my ears.<br> <br> Dull, measured, strokes of axe and hammer ring<br> From street to street, not loud, but through the night<br> Distinctly heard–and some strange spectral thing<br> Is now upreared–and, fixed against the light<br> Of the pale lamps; defined upon that sky,<br> It stands up like a column, straight and high.<br><br> <br> I mentioned to Cheif, what I thought the earlier intervening event was.. how far back I think the course correction begins.<br><br> BOOM!!! The bomb blew. Like Faraday's rocket taking longer to impact on Island. Imagine the Nuclear bang (and the physical consequences of) vas allzo sent through time and space. Where and or when is that mushroom cloud gonna show up? And what would that mean for those ..'involved'<br><br> I do loves me some butterscotch pudding.. maybe your catastrophe is not a catastrophe at all.
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I think that Ben's presence in Reality#2 won't be adequately explained, that Darlton didn't think that point through long enough, and really he should be shark poop.<p> Unless the flash-sideways really do turn out to be flash-forwards.
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We are now dealing with two divergent timelines, not one. If the timeline diverged and the new reality was created in 1977 then that means that everything that happened BEFORE the Incident still happened in both time lines. The only time they diverge is once Jughead goes off and the island sinks. That means in Timeline A everything we've seen happened, happened. 815 crashed, the Oceanic 6 left, the Oceanic 6 came back, everyone got lost in time, Sayid shot Ben, yadda yadda yadda. In Timeline A Faraday would still be alive as well, up to the point that he went back to 1977 and is shot by his mother. The only timeline these events DIDN'T happen in would be Timeline B, the timeline in which the island sank in 1977. That means in Timeline B from 1977 on everything would be different because either the island or Jacob were not around to influence the lives of the people who would eventually be the passengers on flight 815. As for young Ben being with the Others at the time the evacuation happened, that could be true. I remember Widmore tells Ben he's going to be returned to his people, but I don't recall if he actually does get back to them or not.
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though. It's not like the island Losties are without their faculties as if their minds are trapped elsewhere.
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Penny Im not sure about but Im fairly certain Faraday was older than 32, but I could be wrong.
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Because CTV carries both American Idol and Lost, and they're both scheduled at the same time on their American stations.
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how about Grandaddy issues??? See my earlier post.
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I'm Stunned the series is finally coming out for sale in April. I loved the few episodes they made, especially the one where the girl keeps screaming at Matthew's character through a glass wall to wake up. "Lost" fans will get a kick out of how the "Haunted" logo is presented. I can't wait to buy it.
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March 2, 2010, 3:36 p.m. CST
look everybody!! its Lost TB's very own Brick Tamland-- lostBOYt
by jay2517
and he sux GAY COCK!! luvs it i tells u!! GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY COCK!!!!!! such wonderful insights this GAY BOI has. i'm LOST ( LOL ) without them!!!
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i personally never been to high on Jinn/Sun episodes overall. but, its looking good. keep fighting the good fight Rizz...
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March 2, 2010, 3:42 p.m. CST
MrEkoLetMeLive: Except that time-travel fucks that up.
by Royston Lodge
The problem is that we do not yet know how the fictional temporal physics at play in LOST actually works.<p> We do not know how LOST Fictional Temporal Physics accounts for characters who travelled from the future to the past, THROUGH the divergence in the timeline?<p> On the one hand, if Jughead causes characters to not land on the island, which means they never travel back in time, that means that in Reality#2 anything involving the time-travellers prior to 1977 should never happen. For want of a better term, consider this the "Back To The Future" model where temporal events sorta go back and forth in time from the point of view of the time-traveller.<p> On the other hand, your model (let's call it the "Bill & Ted" or "Terminator" model) where time is a straight arrow that only goes forward, but can get split in two in 1977, may indeed also be valid. <p> After all, we're dealing with fiction here. Darlton had set up the temporal physics model any way they choose so long as it's internally-consistent with the rest of the events within the show.<p> Either way, I say Ben should be shark-food.<p> In my model, Faraday never warns Chang, the women and children are never evacuated, and Ben ends up at the bottom of the Pacific.<p> In your model, Ben is with the Others when the women and children are evacuated, so he still should end up at the bottom of the Ocean.<p> Which leaves two options: Either Darlton has a third perfectly reasonable option up their sleeves, or Darlton doesn't give a shit.
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"You are involving yourself in something that goes back many, many years". <br><br> Then it was that the Sabine women, whose wrongs had led to the war, throwing off all womanish fears in their distress, went boldly into the midst of the flying missiles with disheveled hair and rent garments. Running across the space between the two armies they tried to stop any further fighting and calm the excited passions by appealing to their fathers in the one army and their husbands in the other not to bring upon themselves a curse by staining their hands with the blood of a father-in-law or a son-in-law, nor upon their posterity the taint of parricide. "If," they cried, " you are weary of these ties of kindred, these marriage-bonds, then turn your anger upon us; it is we who are the cause of the war, it is we who have wounded and slain our husbands and fathers. Better for us to perish rather than live without one or the other of you, as widows or as orphans. <br><br> http://tinyurl.com/SeeRaptio<br><br> Ω
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LA X could not even be real. Ben, Ethan, etc., could all be constructs of the Losties in a false reality. Isn't it coincidental that so many of the Others happen to live in LA? Hell, Boone could have been a construct of Locke's just because Locke wished he were still alive. Hmmmmm...
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Just to tweak another universal popular assumption...<p>John and Helen want to invite John's father to the wedding, therefore they are on good terms, therefore Dad never threw John out of the window therefore possibly Locke's father is not even a conman.<p>ORR...<p>Dad pushed John out of the window, John was NOT touched by Jacob after landing, he suffered both shock and a concussion causing minor drain bamage and therefore does not remember being pushed out the window and possibly does not recall anything of his falling out with his father or being conned out of his kidney. And perhaps good old dad realizes that since John doesn't remember any of what happened, he may be of further use, in case he ever needs a rare blood type transfusion or a piece of liver or something.<p>This post dedicated to my high school creative writing teacher, Mrs. JoAnn Orr.
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Look at it this way in Timeline A, Locke, Sawyer, Juliet, et al get thrown back in time to the 1950's and various other points in the island's history. That all can still happen, because Timeline A and Timeline B are one line UNTIL the point in 1977 that Jughead sinks the island. It is only from that point on that Timeline A and B are separate realities. That means that all the time travel stuff could still have happened because it's people from Timeline A jumping back to the past of Timeline A. If the characters in Timeline B were to somehow travel back in time, any time they traveled to that happened BEFORE the Incident in 1977 would be the same. The island's history is still intact in Timeline B, up to the point that it gets sank. That means Jacob and the Man in Black still sat on the beach watching the Black Rock offshore, that Richard Alpert was still alive on the island for who knows how long, that the DHARMA folk still went there to conduct their experiments. In Timeline B that all still happened, the point where it diverges is anything that happened on the island post-1977 such as Juliet coming to the island as a dupe of the Others, the Purge of the DHARMA Initiative by the Hostiles, and the crash of flight 815. When the island sank in 1977 it created a new timeline, along with new versions of everyone from Timeline A. It was the Timeline A people who time traveled, not the Timeline B people, so all the time travel stuff still holds up, because the Timeline A people went to the island and the Timeline B people didn't. Confusing, I know, but it holds up if you have the time to actually sit down and think it over, which sadly, I do.
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"According to the Book of Judges, when the tribe of Benjamin, following the Battle at Gibeah, was threatened with extinction, all the men and non-virgin from a nearby Canaanite town were slaughtered, so that the virgins of that town could be wed to the surviving men of Benjamin." <br><br> "Now the men of Israel had sworn an oath at Mizpah, saying, "None of us shall give his daughter to Benjamin as a wife."<br><br>Result: Civil War.<br><br> Not about the mythology or the theology, only the historical context of the second oldest blood feud among men. Raptio. It is of note that the story bears striking similarities to the myth of Sodom and Gomorrah. And you know what happened there.<br><br> BOOOM!
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Holy shit! You did it again. You CAN replace Jay with gay. And it makes him look gay! Holy fuck. I am literally shitting myself with laughter. Suck it Jay2517. lostboytexass owns you. But he would sell you cuz you're gay. Which is gross. And the world greatest put-down.
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I nominate theotherJosh as prince of the talkback for his badmitten like sarcastic rejoinders to everything Boytex says. I am impressed that someone who named himself Lamerz is totally blowing my mind, and applaud Royston, MrEko-LML and a few unfamiliar names for cranking out some awesome theorizing. Amazingly, Boytex has said a couple funny things; typically, Rizzo is toughing it up; and remarkably, MacFaux seems to be a bit drunker than usual. Cheers, Mac.<p>Even our semi-interested host Hercules the strong at least contributed some thought provoking comments that got people who disagreed with him talking. For the record, Lighthouse was NOT the seasons worst ep, that would be What Kate Did. But seriously, what's the point of ranking the bottom two out of six? A "worst of season" or "one of the worst of series" episode of LOST is still better than 98.6% or anything else on TV.<p>Right?
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the brilliance of lostBRICKTAMLANDtexass is astounding i tell u!! i wonder if he gives the reach around or receives it?? curious...curious...maybe thats the pent up GAY he has?
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i ate a big red cock...er...candle....
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Except the Substitute and LA X. Otherwise, I've not been won over. I don't see how all this is going to wrap up remotely coherently over the next 11 episodes. But we'll see.<br><br>Mostly, I'm not down with Dogen. Too frickin' late to introduce a character like that. Sorry. Just is.<br><br>And David Shephard = Man In Black. <br><br>And, yes, these weak episodes of Lost are still better than 98.6% of everything else on TV.
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Will I catch gay if I talk to you? Better check with lostboy on this one. lostboytexass is gay contagious? Is it like claiming on LOST? Can jay2517 make me gay just by talking to him?
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I think it's a testament to the entire team behind the show that in this day and age of shitty reality television, they've managed to create something that actually requires an attention span to watch. And I'm with you. "What Kate Does" was a way worse filler episode than last week's.
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Solid material from Darlton. Really enjoyed it.
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One final thought before I go to collapse on my couch. I think one of the BIGGEST clues we've been given as to who the Smoke Monster/Man in Black really is/was came to us through the lyrics of the insanely awesome Stooges song "Search and Destroy." I am the world's forgotten boy, the one who's searching to destroy... honey gotta help me please, somebody's gotta save my soul.
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im totally CLEAN. and how does lost BRICKTAMLANDtexass know im NOT a lady myself??? hmmm??? que the Swiffer commercial jingle.... "Whos that lady??? that sexy lady...." oh yea GAY GAY GAY!!!
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I know right? That's totally what he said. What a fucking gay idiot. He's so stupid. I hate everyone on here except you cuz they're so fucking stupid for liking a show you don't. God, they all suck so bad. Will you be my friend? But I swear not in a gay way. Cuz that's fucking gross. Icky homos make me hate myself. How about you? Do cry alot because you know how there are so many gays? I do.
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Jughead made a vibration, much like when you strum a guitar thread, it looks like its mulitple strings but is just 1 moving really fast that slowly calms down and merges back into one (to the eye) just as we saw Jack's appendix scar...other things from the PRIME universe will start to seep more and more into the alertative one till eventually the PRIME universe 'converges' with the ALTA one...remember Jacob was reading 'All that rises must converge' its a big strumming that will eventually meet back in 2007...you'll see, we will move 3 years ahead and it will all converge.......with Locke popping back to life is kicking some goddamn ass! Who wants some? You? You? Twack! Goes his knife. Take that bitches. (I love Locke, best character, deserves a better fate than that dealt) But in the end Jack is going to be the new Jacob and Locke is the new Smokie. Sitting on the beach....
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It's all good. Been trying to control nerd rage, but sometimes the kid makes it so easy. Did you see his other handle, the other josh? Same writing.
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Don't even try man. It's over. He/she nailed you. Nailed you. You said "Solid material from Darlton. Really enjoyed it." And then lostboytexass repeated it. Do you even know how much of an idiot he/she made you look. Oh my God. I'm still laughing. You look so stupid.
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Lostboy - I apologize for expressing an opinion contrary to your own. I realize that is not allowed on the interweb. I hereby submit to 40 lashings for my actions.
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It's a joke. It's so easy to see. Thank you for making this talkback laughable. In a few days, like last weeks Lighthouse tb, the real discussion will begin.
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Dude, I am so serious about this. I am NOT in any way lostboytexass! I have one online user name. I think faking who you are or doing what he does the lowest form of cowardice. I will literally do whatever to prove I am not him, this is that important to me.
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i was wondering why lostboy never acknowledged otherjoshs existence, especially with all the bating going on. fuckem all
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Unless this is lostboytexass and this is your way of fucking with me in which case: well played sir. I underestimated you.
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this is like an insane asylum. wtf
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except for me. Oh shit ...
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But seriously, your writing speaks for itself.
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He doesn't respond to me cuz he's a cowardly little shit and knows I make him look like an idiot. I am NOT lostboytexass! And I am insulted that you think I write like him. I at the very least come up with some original put downs.
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how do we know your not one of his multiple personalities too ;-)
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It's obvious. But not me. I'm actually ToughJoshSmokeyBoy.
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Okay, what is it about me that is in anyway reminiscent of him? This is getting ridiculous. I was tired of him popping in saying shit and then never responding to anyone. I tried to talk to him last week and he ignored me the whole time.
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but this is my sole login. im not texass for sure. or anyone else for that matter
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The end is coming. Be ready to kick in your tv screen, Losties.
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if rizzo and lostboy are the same guy. rizzo did give a real world shout out to lostboy at a lost meetup. promoting his own online troll account? thats kinda weird dude
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I feel like I can not say anything. I will be back after the show. How did my trying to put that little shit in his place turn me into him. Not even figuratively. According to you I literally am a guy who hates this show. FUCK!
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Didnt you used to play for the Atlanta Hawks? Loved Wilkins! Anyway, It's pretty funny identity theft here. However, I'll be in Manhattan shortly watching the show with my group. <br><br> I wont be posting till well after the show. I'll post links to pictures of our meetup just to prove it. If texas or josh or any of the screen names wants to post pics of them, it's all good.
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seems to have a solid alibi unless of course he has an iphone and posts as lostboy during the show? hmmmm
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SO GAY!!!
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jay2517, lostboytexas, toughguyrizzo and theotherjosh are all the same person. is that considered a spoiler?
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...'nuff said.
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March 2, 2010, 5:19 p.m. CST
Hey Herc, first of all, I just don't see how you're a fan of
by Coughlins Laws
this show. You complain about everything and seem to not like what made this show one of the greatest in TV history, the incredible character-building flashbacks. why don' you just go for the ride and see where this leads instead of bitching about it constantly. None of us know for sure where this is going or how they're going to tie it all together. Let's hear your analysis after the finale. Until then, your opinions on this don't mean much...
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March 2, 2010, 5:23 p.m. CST
And Herc, second of all, where are the ratings updates on Leno?
by Coughlins Laws
Funny how we're not getting the ratings updates on Leno vs. Letterman since you've had every single Leno rating while he was at 10pm. Why exactly aren't you interested in showing the ratings now? Is it because Leno got twice the size of Letterman's audience, just like the last 17 years?
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all natural troll hatin me!!! but ur new smokey so its ok brotha....
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For staying the hell away from this place all day. So much fighting today. Lotsboytexas is a big doucher.
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i believe ya :-)
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this is a Lost tb Laws. NO DOUCHEBAG mentioning ok??? just gay troll bashing lol. im sure Herc will give have a talkback for that brotha...
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its a tues. ritual now unfortunately lol. i cant come home from the auto action any more and enjoy my cold beers without getting my heterosexuality questioned lol. i thought i answered those AFTER i had my "operation"...er...yea. oh well....back to the gay troll bashing brotha...
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March 2, 2010, 5:31 p.m. CST
Sorry, jay2517, but Herc is going to have to be shamed into it..
by Coughlins Laws
His hypocrisy is disturbing...
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Who really effing cares? Leno won. Go celebrate with a twelver of Pabst and a Slim Jim, and stay the hell away from Lost TBs.
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To give us the happy ending we want for our favorite characters, and then realizing how boring that would be. Bring on Ajira!
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Also broke the statue. Whatever did it could have rippled across time.
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Could see a "Last Temptation" thing happening as well. Good catch
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Better Off Dead? a Lost season six fan fiction. Part one<p>Opening: a bar. We see pilot Seth Norris and flight attendant Cindy Chandler seated in an intimate candle lit booth. The Jukebox is playing "You All, Everybody" by DRiveshaft. We pan across the dance floor: Lance is dancing with a sexy woman in a blue striped shirt. Off to one side Bonnie and Greta are dancing with one another. Best pals Scott and Steve are seated at the bar with the woman only ever known as "blonde casualty" (the one who died at the New Otherton massacre.)<p>At one end of the bar an obnoxious and insistent Neil is hitting on a very annoyed looking Ana Lucia Cortez. "My pal was wondering if you were Mexican or Puerto Rican. It doesn't really matter to me, all the same, I'm not prejudice'." "Look, if you don't mind, I'm trying to work here." "Hey, I don't have to pay for it... but there's always a first time for everything." "Shut up, a-hole. I'm a cop on a stake-out." "Oh sure, I'll be vewwy vewwy qwiet, you're hunting wabbits." Ana grabs Neil by the collar and drags him into the men's room and stuffs him in a stall. The putz still thinks he's getting lucky until she produces a pair of handcuffs and slaps one end on his wrist and the other on the toilet pipe. "Hey, I'm not into bondage unless..." She holds her LAPD badge about three inches in front of his face and growls "Look, just shut up. Be vewwy vewwy qwiet and maybe I'll forget you solicited me for prostitution." Neil struggles to undo his pants with one hand: he suddenly needs to pee very badly.<p>Outside the john, rookie cop James Ford, in plain clothes, asks Ana Lucia "Where the heck were you, Chiclets?" "Washing my hands, where's our target?" she replies.<p>The camera pans across the crowd. We see Kate Austen and Claire Littleton sitting at the end of the bar and a Patsy Cline song begins to play on the jukebox, [whoosh]
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March 2, 2010, 6:13 p.m. CST
I talked about Lost. This week's show hasn't aired yet...
by Coughlins Laws
Herc spent the last 6 months showing Leno's ratings for the sole purpose of trying to help get him fired, and now he's refusing to put up Leno's ratings that are destroying Letterman's. If he had a Leno TB up, I'd write this there. That's the point. He's not putting one up. As far as Lost, we have no idea yet where these flash-sideways are going but I don't see how anyone can say they're not entertaining. Just because they aren't "giving you" the "answers" you want doesn't mean they're a waste of time for everyone. I'm being entertained. I guess it's just the whole standard treating your opinions like facts that really bothers me when it comes to Herc. I remember that he didn't like one of the best episodes ever, "The Man From Tallahassee", because it didn't focus on Ben like he wanted it to. His opinions are not in the majority on everything, yet he writes as if his opinions are facts. Alot of people on this site do this about alot of movies and I personally don't like it. It shows you to be an arrogant A-hole who thinks your opinion carries more weight than anyone else's, and it also insults those who have different opinions, even if it includes millions of other people...<p>Case in point, the Lucas-haters that dominate this site who think that there was NOTHING good about any of the prequels and that think that Indy4 was awful. OK, fine, leave it at that. However, they don't stop there. They choose to insult those of us who found things to like in these movies. I thought Episode 1 was bad, but a decent story with some good sequences. I thought Episode 2 was better and the second half of the movie entertaining. I thought Episode 3 was good and could have been great if it had better dialogue and better acting. I also thought Crystal Skull, despite a couple of ridiculous scenes, was hilghly entertaining. However, people come on here constantly and say these were all HORRIBLE and attack anyone that found anything to like about any of them. I see this time and time again in the TBs and unfortunately, Herc is the same way on certain things. He's like this on those of us who like Leno better than Letterman and he's like this about certain aspects of Lost. I find him to be like The Sopranos fans who didn't like it for the great character study about the duality of being a sociopath and a good family man at the same time, but just wanted to see people get whacked every week. It's like he's missing the point of the series. The mythology of Lost is what makes the show interesting and has driven it for years. But I argue that the incredible character-building that we got the first 3 seasons separates this show from all the other shows on TV. If NOT for the constant flashbacks the first 3 years, we wouldn't care about these characters as much as we do. Herc doesn't seem to understand this...
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Better Off Dead? a Lost season six fan fiction. Part two<p>We see Sun-Wha Kwon gathering a basket of tropical flowers in the jungle.[whoosh]<p>A buzzer marks the end of a middle-school girls basketball game. The observers in the bleachers begin to stream out. John Locke is seated in a wheelchair down on the floor in the front row area, locked in by the mulling crowd. His father Anthony Cooper checks his watch with annoyance. "I said we should have left early." "Well, I had to find out how it ends" John replies. His bemused loving fiance Helen Norwood remarks "Just because you filled in on their gym class a few times doesn't make them your girls, John."<p>We pan across to a group of young cheerleaders with familiar Numbers on their uniforms. The group breaks up and we focus on one young blonde girl patiently waiting for her cheerleader older sister. As they begin to leave a boy her age with touseled brown hair approaches. She is wearing a loose t-shirt with the Sharks team logo on it; he is wearing a Rebels shirt. "Pardon me, uh, you look familiar. Do I know you from somewhere?" The cheerleader older sister remarks "You're too young to know anyone from anywhere. Try that line again in another five years." As they start to walk away, he cries out "Wait. Oceanic flight 815, Sydney to L.A. last September. You were in coach - the tail section. So was I. My name's Zach." "Hi, I'm Emma. Yeah, I was on that flight. Small world, huh?"<p>"Boy, the nerve of that kid. They're trying out their pick-up lines younger all the time, huh?" griped chemistry teacher Leslie Arzt. His guest, physics lecturer Daniel Faraday, seemed embarrassed to be with him. "I have no idea what you're talking about, personally I try not to think about our young pupils budding romantic inclinations" responded slightly irritated sounding history teacher Benjamin Linus. "Hey, I don't like what you're implying. I'm not the one with the nasty mind here" blustered Mr. Arzt. "Of course you're not" responded Mr. Linus, rolling his eyes. [whoosh]
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Better Off Dead? a Lost season six fan fiction. Part three<p>We see Rose Nadler arranging the flowers Sun has collected into bouquets of twelve and tying them together at the stems with twine.[whoosh<p>Sullivan removes his wire-rimmed glasses and cleans them on his untucked shirt tail. He is standing in line at a book signing. The author autographs a copy of 'Bad Twin' "To Libby Smith, all my best, Gary Troup." She takes the book and joins Hugo Reyes at the checkout desk and thanks him for buying her the book. They leave the small book store and walk down the sidewalk; Boone Carlyle and Shannon Rutherford pass them walking the other way. They find a cool shaded green nook in a small neighborhood pocket park and sit on a bench. In the distance we see Michael Dawson and his son Walter Lloyd playing Frisbee with Walt's dog Vincent while his mother Susan sits on a bench and watches, half reading a magazine.[whoosh]
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Better Off Dead? a Lost season six fan fiction. Part four<p>A television in the corner over the bar features an eleven o'clock news report; Olympic silver medal winning swimmer Joanna Miller has been found dead under unusual circumstances, though suicide is suspected.<p>Tom "Friendly" is seated at the bar with Danny Pickett, Adam and Aldo. Frank Lapidus emerges from the men's room and joins his friend Seth Norris and Seth's current girlfriend, Cindy.<p>US Marshall Edward Mars is wearing an earplug headset with a wire microphone and he signals to his compatriots to move in. Officer's Cortez and Ford unsnap the straps over their holstered .38s and move in. They move right past Kate, Claire and the contents of Claire's baby carrier and back up Mars in apprehending suspected murderer/jewel thief actress Nikki Fernandez and her accomplice Paolo. Startled, Kate suggests to Claire that they leave, and Claire picks up the carrier containing Aaron and they head for the door.[whoosh]
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Better Off Dead? a Lost season six fan fiction. Part five<p>It is an overcast day, lightly raining, and Bernard Nadler is standing alone in a cemetery, over the grave of "Beloved wife, Rose Nadler". Rain drips from the brim of his hat, but tears can clearly be seen streaming down his face.[whoosh]<p>It is a sunny day on Boone Hill as Sun and Rose place flowers on the graves of their departed friends and acquaintances and the strangers who died on the island. Some are buried there - Boone, Shannon, Ana Lucia, Libby, Tom, some only have markers, those whose bodies were destroyed - Leslie Arzt - or lost at sea - Charlie Pace, Joanna.<p>Rose stands alone, silhouetted against the bright sun, gazing down at a grave marked with a makeshift wooden cross that she has lain a bouquet of flowers upon. Faintly ominous music makes us wonder who is buried in the grave. Bernard walks up and places his arm around her shoulder and she leans into him. Beyond them we see Sun and Jin likewise embracing.[poom] Lost.
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your welcome
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I just want to say that it's pretty obvious who I am and I'm not really a dead kitten. But that's all I want to say about that.
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Geez.
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Good episode, things are definably drawing to a close.
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our major network aired it at 7pm but because i get the "time shifting" channels it was even on at 6pm. but i havent watched because i'm not a patriotic canadian and rather watch it on ABC as its meant to be seen. :P
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Argh.
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Cant see that leg getting better by season's end
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i've only got about four spliffs worth left and i'd like to save it for the show
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found some
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Lighthouse = Penis <p> Cave = Um...cave
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Plus, Smokie leads Jack to the caves in epi 1. Cave = Wonder hole AGAIN!
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Jacob lives in a big foot. Big Foot = Big Dingie.
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hot fries and beers at the ready!
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Smokie has not killed any females yet? Right? Let Juliette and Kate go. Killed Eko, who we all know has a big Donger.
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Danielle's security system. Caused all the fellas in her Frenchy crew to go crazy and get killed. Girl Power.
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Sayid: I want some answers. Dogen: Answers to what? HAHAHA!!! How about answers to questions, you dumbfuck!? People are always saying they want answers on this show, but then they never ask the right questions, and continue to allow whatever enigmatic character they're speaking with (and there are at least seven at last count) to speak in a cryptic tone and hint around at shit FOREVER! I'm telling you, Lost is a one trick pony. Always has been, always will be!!!
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what is with the baseball????
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since evil Sayid is now british.
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I set it at 7 1/2. They promised this would be the one where questions would be answered. PROVE IT PUNKS!
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March 2, 2010, 8:10 p.m. CST
NuClaire seems less scary this week! BUT FakeLocke
by HollywoodHellraiser
haven't lost a step!
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OJ got off easy.
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OOPS!
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Sayid is bound to be crazy after "speak no Engrish" guy is done with him.
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March 2, 2010, 8:17 p.m. CST
No way should Sayid be listening to that bastard!
by HollywoodHellraiser
Hell I think everyone has lost their damn minds but thats just me!
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I never got the need for Dads and Sons to toss a baseball. Has happened on this show several times.
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Watch for Sayid's bro?
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Rizzo. Since you can just get a new login, why wouldn't I do that if I was lostboy? Just to fuck with you? Why would I spend all day defending you? I really want to clear this up so I can post without everyone calling into question everything I say. Look back to the begining of the season. I know I didn't post here till then but I have only ever defended the show and the people on here who love it. I swear I'm not trying to drag this out, but I feel like I can't come back here till this is cleared up. I spent the first two episodes getting ignored by almost all you guys. I said it before but I'll say it again, I can't talk LOST to anyone in my life other than my wife who frankly gets annoyed when I start talking about the nitty-gritty of the show. I've tried to follow the "rules" that you guys set up, and I don't see what I said or did that pissed you off SO much that you've labeled me the biggest piece of shit I've seen on these talkbacks, but that fucking sucks. I get the concept of trolls, so I see where it's plausible, but, as cheesy as it sounds, I come here for the community and if I have to change my log in just to keep it I will, but, c'mon.
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March 2, 2010, 8:25 p.m. CST
Of course the only way to prove there is good in your soul
by jimbojones123
Is to kill somebody without questioning why!
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He just enjoys murdering people.
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"Stab Her!" when Sayid and Kate ran into each other in the jungle. I couldn't help it.
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So Sayid's just supposed to sneak up on him....give me a break. Anyone else notice Jack look at Sayid in the hospital like he recognized him???
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Very Nice!
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if Sayid stabbed him before he talked? Or did Asian guy just want to get rid of Sayid.
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This scene reminds me of Its a Wonderful Life where George lassos the moon.
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All the rest were just visiting?
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claire has been fucking fantastic chaneling Britney spears the last 2 weeks. this bitch is PLUMB FUCKING LOCO
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She is Coo-Coo- for Coo-Coo-Puffs.
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HAHA. "if he speaks its already too late" <p> "Hi Sayid" <p> Unlocke cant be killed. awww shit. <p> I could hear awnold saying something like that in terminator 9839843. "now why deed u go and do dat, john conna?"
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Um, they promised, right?
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Here's the news on Leno's ratings: They weren't as good as the ratings Conan pulled with his first Tonight Show.
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Sayid may be evil, if you belive the Templetons. <p> Cindy is a leader??? WTF??? <p>
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FakeLocke is badass and Sayid is incredible!
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ohhh its keamy ! WHO CARES.
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HAHAH where are the nuclear rods? <p> oh my bad wrong show <p> this has got to be the same exact kitchen that the russians were using on 24 right? Im expecting to see the BEEP BEEP BEEP anytime now
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end this motherfuckas life Sayid, SHOOT HIM IN THE FACE RIGHT NOW <p> FUCK YES!! ONE TO THE CHEST CRACKA!
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JIN INVOLVED!
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WTF, Jin???? Oops I was going to say make Naveen 007!!!
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WTF, Jin???? Oops I was going to say make Naveen 007!!!
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things are actually happening
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This lost CRASH shit is getting insane. this shit is like The 13th Floor, some matrix inside of a matrix type shit going on.
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March 2, 2010, 8:48 p.m. CST
I would have shot a finger off when he was holding his hand out.
by jimbojones123
That would have been funny and splattery.
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Just finish the damn story<br> Answer all the questions<br> And really flesh it out<p> No more useless crap
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....but damn Sayid, just great!
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That was cool. If 24 was to go in a different direction he's the man or Snipes.
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Keamy was still working for Widmore in this reality, they nabbed Jin at the airport.
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I care much less about this than the Flash Sideways.
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Drinking and Driving -- What's up with that?
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WTF!!!!! Sayid is a fucking terminator!!!
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thats a nod to bonnie and clyde right there, when clyde was eating that fucking apple before he got shot up and we watched it finally roll away. <p> evil sayid is on some SHIT! hahah why are theyse fools just running in random ass directions? <p> SMOKEY IS CLEANING SHOP!
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March 2, 2010, 8:59 p.m. CST
WICKED!!! Not one motherfucker saw this coming!!!
by HollywoodHellraiser
Fucking Lost is killing it tonite!
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finding secret levers and shit
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March 2, 2010, 9 p.m. CST
I could only imagine what Joss Whedon would have done with this
by HollywoodHellraiser
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Sure Sayid went nuts, and people died, but so what?!?!?
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March 2, 2010, 9:01 p.m. CST
Yup, I said Joss because he would have added more carnage!
by HollywoodHellraiser
Fucking badass army of Fake Locke!
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Epic.
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March 2, 2010, 9:04 p.m. CST
Anyone who cries "FILLED" should be banished from this forum.
by AshokForgiven
That is all. <br><br> :D
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I am left feeling empty after this episode. Not much really going on besides the Temple folks --- who are all dicks --- dying. So, the entire first half of the season was pointless introducing the temple??? This was a top 5 worst episodes masked by SFX and some pretty good Sayid stuff. <p> It would have been much better if they never introduced the temple. STUPID
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Sayid walking out with his harem was cool.
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exactly<p> Smokey goes rampant and...<br> There was maybe 10 mins of plot advancment in that
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QUESTIONS......HAVE......BEEN.......ANSWERED! The baseball belonged to his son! L O S T
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EPIC last 10 mins...was kinda hoping for a Claire/Kate bitch fight... ...anyone notice the different look that Flocke gave Kate as opposed to sayid and claire? maybe she will end up on Jacob's side.
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to Unlocke was funny as fuck. it was like her black "Im down" look. corny as FUCK! <p> anyway, decent episode just cuz there was some fucking action again. i mean shit this show definitely sucks so far this season but it was good to see some big shit going on. <p> the army of the fuckin dead and undead vs Hugo and Jack. meanwhile wtf happened to Sawyer? <p> Smokey just multi tasking like a motherfucka huh?
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and I think its conclusive that this season fucking sucks. And thanks ABC for telling us Ben dies next week. Assholes.
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Why would you say that I am insane? I wouldn't say that I've lost my mind simply because I've heard the voices and seen the godless things moving in the woods. If anything, I think more clearly now than ever before. I know now that there is such a thing as a living Evil. A dark and shapeless thing that lives not in the spaces we know, but between them. In the Dark. In the night. And it wants the exact same thing as you and I; a chance at warm life on this Earth. It doesn't care that is already had that chance ...once. Now listen closely because there isn't much time. Listen and believe, because it's all true....<br><br> This is my boomstick! (Notice what Kate had slung on her back)<br><br><br> Now.........Bring me your hoo do man.
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And I think it's conclusive this season rocks. Sorry akkosa , maybe you should stick to simple shows like Heroes or 24.
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next episode but didn't think it was true, how the fuck do they announce that?
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It was a philosophical questioning of how to deliver your message to somebody that may not receive it correctly any other way. I really did not like this though. Why did they temple leader guys not want everybody safe when they knew the temple would be stormed if the dude died. PROTECT THE GUY THAT PROTECTS THE TEMPLE!!! DO NOT PUT HIM IN A ROOM ALONE WITH A GUY THAT IS SURE TO KILL HIM!!! For supposedly being so smart and above the 815ers, these temple folks are dipshits.
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Why do you even post here mate? Go outside, enjoy life, watch an elite show you enjoy.
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major vibe. Not necessarily a good thing since these first 6 eps have been such a disappointment. Since the plan landed, the flash sideways have been PAINFUL.
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....even though it wasn't written by Damon and Carlton. Is Ben REALLY dying next week?..wtf. Cant wait for the Claire/Kate catfight! just so much packed into this episode!!
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Did you see his face at the end?? That's something else.
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promised us that it was too shocking for them to show any footage (nothing really that shocking happened)... yet next week Ben supposedly dies and you tell us? fucktarded.
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This ep had me actively throwing popcorn into the air in triumph. It's not the destination, folks, it's the journey. I've honestly never had this much fun watching a tv show before (Supernatural a close second) but making theories and having them dashed (before tonight I had the thought Jacob was the evil one and the others were misguided.)is the most fun. Greatest. Tv. Show. Ever.
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the temple was fucking useless. And the people in the temple were even more fucking useless. Don't know what to think of this season so far.
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March 2, 2010, 9:19 p.m. CST
Btw was it just me or was that opening fight scene AWESOME?
by AshokForgiven
Seriously, the choreography in that fight sequence b/w Dogen and Sayid was even top notch against 24. (Btw, I don't even like 24 as a series, but it terms of action and SFX it's production values are outstanding for TV).
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March 2, 2010, 9:19 p.m. CST
Cuse and Lind hinted that it was a big deal if someone died in a
by JulietsTeet
tonight Keamy was the first to die in a flash sideways off the island. <p> Supposedly there is a consequence on the island, so what could it be?
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There's no way to say the temple is completely useless without seeing the rest of the season. You can't know if it will be important later on. It may turn out that the temple was a waste of time, but it is too early to say for sure just because the Others were all killed.
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Yeah they told us Ben dies!!! WHat are you nuts? Every promo for every drama show has lied about shit like this since the beginning of television. DURRRRRRR.
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This season is getting better with each episode...
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if he was part of evil Locke's "group" shouldn't he be right along with them?? Also, since this is evil Locke he should have a goatee..
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that Ben dies. it said he will face death. Not the same thing so we'll have to see.
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You said AIDS! Which is what kills gay people! So awesome. If Cuse or Lindelof ever read this they're gonna be all, "Oh, man I suck so hard. I must be gay." And then they'll hate themselves.
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this talkback is atrocious. why so many people who seemingly hate this show actually take the time to turn on their computer, log onto this site and then post a whiny, trollish response to a show they shouldn't even be watching in the first place is beyond me. Go watch Grey's Anatomy or Nip/Tuck or Dancing with the Stars or whatever else floats your boat. I'm talking to you lostasstexasassboy and others. Not only that, but for the past couple weeks, you idiots have been whining about too much walking & talking. Now, this week, we get a heaping spoonful of action and guess what? More whining.
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Just some....never really watched will this year and I am into it. Better than the other garbage on TV right now.
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The trailer said he "faces his demise..." How many times has a character on this show faced their demise and lived. Plenty.
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I agree. This temple bullshit has been spread thinner than dollar store margarine at the end of the month in a welfare house. GET ON WITH IT! ONLY A FEW HOURS LEFT AND WE'RE STILL STUCK ON THIS A-TEAM REJECT TEMPLE SET. Cheap wooden sets painted to look like stone walls. No budget this year? SHOW US THE FUCKING ISLAND AND BEACH BITCHES.
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How did the chick know where the secret path was and what symbol to look for? <p> She obviously knows a lot about the MiB, so this should get interesting with her.
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they spread around the temple worked really well then, huh?? then they just let Kate come back without asking where their men that escorted her and Jin were?? They deserved to friggin' die.. non-question answering mother fuckers..
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He'll murder you and then kill you again in another dimension...
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because you'll never love anything
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Sayid gone wild! Love him in total badass mode. That ending was epic.
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This was hands down the best episode yet. The opening was ridiculous. Bunch of answers, followed by easily the best fight of the show, followed by yet another intriguing twist to the ALT. And as far as the people that have complained about talking around answers or giving vague ones at best, every question a character asked was answered succinctly and believably. I agree with I_am_the_ultimate_product, Greatest. Tv. Show. Ever.
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Calling people retards is sad and petty. Most, if not all of the complaints on the episode are in reaction to this episode masking any rational thought with flashy action and killing. Stabs, shootings, smokies, and death do not add depth to a story that acts more irrational than any episode earlier. This was worse than Charlie kidnapping Sun.
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Haha. Will someone call this kid's mom and tell her to get her Asperger's kid off the internet?
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It seems the whole Temple thing is already done. After jumping from 1977 to the Temple, the characters have now been strategically separated and placed around the island like chess pieces. <br><br> Jack and Hurley are isolated away from the Temple, MiB has taken full control with Sawyer and Sayid at his side, the other 815ers fates are unknown, Desmond? Widmore? are on their way back to the island... I can't wait to see the endgame to this chess game. Checkmate in 12 hours.
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while I do agree this is the best TV show ever.. this spisode is not the best of the series.. in my opinion.. that easily goes to Walkabout.. I do think they shot their load quickly this season with the first episode and have been slowly building their stamina back.. getting better every week..
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Okay, see, that was actually passable. You used a pun on his name that didn't involve gay people. That's a plus. But, you still just went with a shit joke. Keep trying.
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Thanks for the "shout out" Jimbo! I love shout outs. And how did this episode not advance the story enough for you, you big gay retard! ?
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the best episode of the series is The Constant. There is no debate.
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At least in my mind, this unequivocally proves lostboytexass is here-forth wrong about everything. This episode progressed the plot, provided some heart-breaking progress, and really helps set the stage for the finale. It has started building to the end, and it's hard to believe the end is in only 12 episodic-hours, but this episode was the antithesis of filler and really helped push us toward the end that the creators have planned for us.<p><p>Great (if bitter-sweet) episode.<p><p>-Cheers
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Agreed. I think realizing that for some castaways we've grown to like (ie Claire, Sayid), there's might be no going back, no redemption. Very bittersweet.
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things happened and plot progressed. I'm happy!
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"apparantly I am evil..."
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Okay, agreed, a little bit of after glow. White Rabbit and Walkabout are still 2 and 3 after the pilot. But right now I'll put this at 4. Goddamn, talk about pay off.
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Now gay retards -- totally justified joke.
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I swear, some people wont be happy unless the series finale of LOST is called "The Answers", in which Jacob stands at a lecturn in the temple and answers a bullet list of fan questions.
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....action cool.... the "answers" not cool... Sayid is definitely badass... meh really for now...
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It's safe to say that 'Lighthouse' was a step down from 'The Substitute'... but the worst of the season!? Kate's ep was beyond boring, and your reason for liking it (Ethan showing up... as he does every season since he died) is pretty weak. I'd take Hurley being hilarious, Jacob / Numbers answers and Alt-Jack any day of the week over still-fugitive Kate.
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and starts mindjumping through time to take down Flocke.
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I actually said "big gay retard" - I'm trying to offend fat people, gay people and retarded people. I call it "the trifecta." Criticism of the show is fine. There's been some BAD eps, but this was NOT one of them.
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how can anybody put four whole episodes above The Constant? White Rabbit? Please.
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I wasn't a huge fan of The Constant, but I also was never a huge Desmond fan. Granted they wrote the shit out of that episode and it's top 10, I wouldn't go #1.
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We would not be complaining. Then they promo the death of Ben. I really think this is kinda dumb.
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...Rizzo is Jack cuz h it seems he "runs" this tb... lostboy is Sawyer, doin the unconventional things here... so i guess josh is kate...
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dont know why so many people are complaining about this one. it was easily the best this season. if you dont like the show why are you even in this talkback?
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Sorry I missed the cue. Great flash, little substance though. Okay, this little relationship has to end. We can still be friends though.
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If you think they did I have some land in Florida I wanna sell you. Then we can play some 3 card monte.
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Cuz White Rabbit really crystallized for me at the time what type of show I was watching. One that would unfold over time with intricate character development great action and an expansive narrative. It hooked me as much as the pilot did.
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...has to be any Des-centric ep ... HAS TO BE
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Aw, dude, I gotta be the chick. I'll take it cuz at least I'm my own person, but, aw....
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im waiting for the alpert episode
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that flocke couldn't go in the temple until he was dead?
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tune in next week for those answers -- we cannot show them to you now.
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Thought it was a good episode, we finally saw the ramification of Sayeed's resurrection/turning. As for people saying the temple was a waste of time this season, I think seeing it destroyed was a good way of showing the lack of order on the island that exists now thanks to the death of Jacob. The alt stuff kind of dragged, but the end had a good pay off. I'd just like to see where the hell Sawyer and Jinn are, and come to think of it where the hell is Richard Alpert?
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...what you said to rizzo before the ep about changin your login was not cool.... he doesnt run these boards, forget em...
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My favorite episodes of LOST and all the ones with Desmond. Imho S6 has had a solid run thus far, but I would rank S3/4 as the best seasons due to Desmond. Altho I'm guessing he's the one who is coming back to the island? :D
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The main reason I liked The Constant is because I think the relationship between Penny and Des is the best of any of the characters on the show. It worked so well despite the fact that they were separated for 3 whole seasons. When you heard her voice on the line in the freighter and see the look on his face it says you knew everything was right in the universe because they were going to be together again.
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... when he zoomed over the pit Kate and loony toons Claire were in? You could definitely see SOMETHING in there. Some shape or something. I'm gonna have to rewind and pause the crap outta that scene tomorrow. Nice to see Sayid returning to form after a couple of episodes of total pussydom. He's always been one of my favorite characters. I wonder how good Keamy's eggs really were. Guess we'll never know now.
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...MIBs name... just say David/Aaron/Charlie/Walt/Vince name already...
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That guy has an amazing on screen presence.
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Jimbo
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abc promo team is weak,i'm never a big fan of lost "action" episodes,and i could care less about dogen or lennon tminus 13 hours,i want to know whats going on with my peoples + freighties..and that is it,no more new characters welcome,i'm sure ilyana will have a really cool backstory,but after her..this season was not the time to add more folk
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...read last weeks tb for my theory/rant/hallucination/etc...
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... yourSTEPDADDY
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i love lost,don't wanna get the troll treatment,i'm not hating..but this episode was not great..no where near top 10,had some cool stuff,kinda sucked that after all the temple buildup,its over like that,but i'm glad it is,i hope the focus will go back to the losties now
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Post on here. I'd like to thank all the posters on here for offering insight, and ask the others for the time back i spent reading their drivel. Now that my first attack on people's thoughts has concluded, and my inudction is final... Concerning the whole dual realities thing, when Kate woke up/came to in the tree, why could she hear as if underwater, and feel like she was choking and underwater? At first I thought my version was corrupt or badly muxed, and once the sound came good I thought nothing of it till just then. Was it meaning she was sucked out of that island under the sea reality? Why was the splitting of reality taking the people already on the island and keeping them there on the new reality? In my head the new reality is the one when the bomb didn't go off, and they've been transported to the new reality when the bomb went off, and the 'real' reality is when the bomb went off in 77 and the effects continued to take place along their new path, but still from the same linear path as before? yes no? Could someone please give their thoughts, its the one thing thats confusing me ( along with the rest)
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ur an idiot just based on ur "love" for lostBRICKTAMLANDteaxass. and, "answers not cool"... what the fuck... that says it all about ur mentality towards the show...idiot..
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Agreed. As far as relationships on the show the ONLY one I am really invested is, is Des and Penny. And also, it still ranks high for me. I think it also came at a time when, I was more interested in Locke and Ben's stories, that it places where it does. I'm sure if I watched it again right now I have a different story. In the same way that right now, Sundown feels like one of the best. Cuz I just watched it.
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I hope they keep it that way...
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i mean really...THATS ALL u have to bitch about...REALLY??? man some if u fukwads amaze me....
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I don't buy Sayid telling Dogan "I'm a good person". Sayid knows he's not. He basically said that when he was dying last season in the Dharma van. Now, personally, I think Sayid has (had?) some good in him, his heart is too big to be completely evil. But Sayid is so pragmatic he would understand an accomplished ASSASSIN is NOT a good person and readily admit it, not wine to Dogan about being misunderstood...
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Your post makes no sense.
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Spelling mistake that can't be edited. :P My thought on the person that's coming back to the Island... We have one guy that's been charged with protecting the island, and seems to be the keeper of the the other guy, who in turn wants to be free and get away.... Doesn't there need to be a third entity who 1) made the rules 2) ensures the rules are followed 3) put them there in the first place in this situation? If they're both playing this game and MIB wants out so badly, couldn't he just take his ball and go home if THEY had started it?
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March 2, 2010, 10:03 p.m. CST
Bitches stop talking about next week's spoilers
by KeepFuckingThatChicken
Jaysin420.
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March 2, 2010, 10:04 p.m. CST
I have not bitched -- just critiqued the lesser points
by jimbojones123
And about a half dozen plus for this epi. Loved the Lighthouse though. Very character driven.
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awesome on alot of levels. i remember a bunch of people NOT LIKING that one too... hmmm... idiots abound apparently...
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pretty simple really...
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I've had so many crazy theories about LOST that it surprised me when this episode leaned towards my current "sandbox reality" theory. If you look at the Flash sideways again they're all wish fulling what ifs. Kate, What if you could make sure that Claire and Aaron stay together? Jack, What if you could have a son to repair the father-son relationship you and your father never were able to? John, What if you found contentment with your situation and married a woman who truly loved you as you are? Hugo, What if you weren't the unluckiest man in the world but the luckiest and brought joy to others with your riches? Dogen, What if you and your son could be together? Sayid, What if you could have Nadia back? Or make her happy? What this episode made me realize is that this isn't the MIB promising each person their heart's desire and delivering. If this theory is true it's only one of the LOSTies (likely Jack) who turns strays from fate for a chance to give everyone what they want. Then again, did Sayid get what he wants?
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lol,i'm sitting here asking myself "how many people have had the job "temple keeper" "<p> what was the need for a temple keeper?<p> sooo ..dust plus gatekeeper keeps mib out? just gatekeeper? <p>..what exactly was being protected in the temple?
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Whine even...
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not being on the island long AT ALL??? anybody catch that?? at least it seemed that way to me. banks and baseball have'nt been around THAT long u know...
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prolly his actual COMMITMENT to the cause ie the island and jacob? my thinking...
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... in that lost love square featurin Rizzo, lostboy, and Josh... but since you decided to stop ignorin me, please without anger or teen angst or whatever youre goin thru to tell me WHAT (important) ANSWERS WERE GIVEN... cuz this ep and the ep bout Jacks tatts are about the same as revealin anythin important... and when are you gonna send me those airplane tickets?
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I don't know if you're arguing with yourself, but your theory that the Sideways World is MiB's "reward" world...I don't know, makes sense to me..
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just saw screencaps. It's gonna be Locke's and he ain't gonna be there!
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March 2, 2010, 10:15 p.m. CST
I actually really liked this episode and I love the show...
by Bladerunner751
but I just question the significance of the fucking temple. And I wasn't sure about the whole Evil Locke subplot but its starting to grow on me
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ur a fucking dumass. ur posts amuse me to the point of responding. i see dumass and automatically POUNCE....i know my bad... i have to get anti-dumass meds for u i agree...
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"What did you do to me?" Well, Sayid, you're evil see and HAI-YAH! That was great. Best fight choreography of the series. When dogen stopped short of killing him I began to wonder why. Maybe the answer was in his phrasing that in each man there is a balance of good and evil. Perhaps killing Sayid would have tipped Dogen's scale in the wrong direction? The baseball, a reminder of his son, acted as a reality check at the vital moment of choice. Is it an afterlife without his loved ones that he feared? Loved the sudden deaths of Dogen and Lennon. Brutal and effective. The flash sideways were revealing too. In both timelines Sayid was required to kill a man to do good. I feel like Nadia gave him the choice not to go after the loan sharks and he chose poorly. If this was his final test. FAIL. But maybe it was about giving Nadia a happy ending even if the price was his soul. Not literally, I think.
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I got to you.
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makes another apperance...
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...just before she (Kate) jumped into the pit to avoid Smokey? I missed that.
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sideways world as wish fulfillment actually sounds like a brilliant way of looking at it. And maybe those who joined with MIB end up not getting what they want, ala Sayeed not being with Nadia. In Claire's case she gets to be with Aaron even though she joined with MIB because that was Kate's desire. As for Sawyer, his desire is to be with Juliet at the airport. I don't know about Jin and Sun however.
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No, just tweaking and adding bits to the picture. That theory occurred to me before tonight's episode and I wrote into the talkback hours before anything really concrete happened in the show to support it, so I was just expanding based on the wording of Flocke tonight in his conversation with Sayid and the positioning of the Flash Sideways in the show.
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either "safer down here," "safest place is down here." or some variation of those words that means the same thing.
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The temple slaughter at the end was good. Everyone choosing their sides. Claire and Sayid walking into the courtyard (then past the outer wall to Locked) was chilling, especially with Kate following, having no idea what's going on. <p>I agree that a big component of Lost is stringing questions along with weak writing. Sayid asked Dogen "I want answers." and Dogen replies "Answers to what?" It's been done before and realistically the Losties would be asking what the F is up with this island. Then you get the "skirting the issue" like Dogen did. Anyway, that was kept at a minimum this episode. <p> While not a top ten all-time episode, it was pretty good. I'd rank "The Constant" and "Walkabout" up there near the top. As for filler episodes..."Tricia Tanaka is Dead" was one of my favs....with Hurley, Charlie, Jin and Sawyer getting the Dharma van running. <p> Oh and Locke and tribe walking away from the temple....awesome.
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RIP Dogen & Lennon. Yea, we hardly knew ye. Thank Christ. Bless you Sayid...you bad muthafu...SHUT YER MOUF! Hey...I'm talkin bout SAYID! <p> Keamy just can't catch a break, can he? Anyone else get the feeling he was channeling Walken from "True Lies" in that egg munching interrogation scene? I was waitin for him to call Sayid a "camel jockey". Good thing Jarrah's reflexes were a lil faster than Dennis Hopper's. <p> Answer seekers...dial it down a bit will ya? I get the feeling you all joined LOST late in the fuckin game...and you caught up commercial free in season long binge watching LOST DVD marathons...and now that Season 6 is playing out in 'real time'...with Old Spice ads...a week apart from each other...you are lamenting the fact you got caught up at all. Yes...it feels like an eternity for things to fuckin happen on this show. Been that way since Sept 22nd, 2004. I recommend you stop watching it "live" and DVR the entire season...and speed through the episodes once it's all over. You'll save yourself a migraine and hair loss every week. <p> My biggest complaints? Where the fuck was the Gordon Goddamn Lightfoot? <p> I can picture ev'ry move that a man could make; <p> Gettin' LOST in her lovin' is your first mistake. <p> Sundown, you better take care If I find you bin creepin' round my back stairs. <p> Sometimes I think it's a sin <p> When I feel like I'm winnin' when I'm losin' again. <p> Sorry for treadin yer turf, MacFaux. <p> Another complaint? Michael Emerson playin second fiddle. Dear Lord...next week's episode is gonna be a fuckin' Emmy snatchin mind fucker! <p> QUESTION TIME? <p> What's the deal with Kate...trancelike, strappin on the gun and blindly following the FLocke? Why didn't Claire 2.0 make good on her crazy threat? <p> WTF did Sayid mean when he said "Not For Me."...and Ben pooped a lil in his pants? Is sayid the new Dogen? Will he never get off that godforsaken rock? <p> Who knew the Temple had a fuckin Panic Room? Wonder where Ilana was takin the rest of the Scoobie Doobie team. How does she know so much about that temple for an off islander? <p> Well, once again, Sun is there, but Jin is not. These two need to get back on schedule! Where the fuck WAS Jin? And why was he in the freezer in Sayid's sideways world? Ya suppose he was the muscle that 'mugged' Sayid's bro...and was being punished for not finishing the job by Keamy? <p> If Sayid had cut off FLocke's Head instead of stabbing him in the chest...would he have still been alive? How do you kill this dude? <p> I bet Ilana knows. <p> God I can't wait for next week.
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...If youre 18 and under i wont ever mention you or say anythin to you again... if you are 18, what is wrong wit you lol? ok, I AM A DUMBASS, NOW TELL ME WHAT IMPORTANT OR ANY SIGNIFICANT QUESTION HAS BEEN ANSWERED. IF YOU CANT ANSWER BUT RESORT BACK TO CALLIN ME NAMES (fyi, ill accept any name you call me, so it doesnt bother me one bit) YOURE AS BAD AS YOU CLAIM LOSTBOY TO BE (only difference is, your pro lost whereas lostboy is anti lost, but youre not funny one bit)... WILL HE RESPOND? NA...
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Sideways Sayid did stay away until they came looking for him, and you know shit ain't going to go well for you when you get hauled in front of a mob(?) boss, so screw it, he used his skillz appropriately. Island Sayid... Oh, jeez, who the fuck knows. UnLocke is a weasle of Ben proportions, I think, but Sayid, well, he did die an remorseful but kid killing bad man, so his "resurrected" self is kind of past the slippery slope. Dogen and Lennon both ended up in the pool which probably portends nothing.
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Ben's daughter getting executed was very surprising.
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... but still what were the answers?
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Is it just me, or is anyone else getting the feeling this is all starting to turn into some bad daytime genre piece? I really loved last season...and I don't think I'm needlessly bitching here, but didn't it kinda feel just like a late-night-higher-budgeted Relic Hunter? It seems as though everyone who comes here has to openly love every episode or be chastised harshly -- I'm just wondering if anyone else is feeling the same way, cause I'm sure there are. I watched an episode of the sopranos on a&e today, highly censored, and it just reminded me even in its limited form how much real character development has been missing from this show. The characters just don't seem at all real - and they did in season one as well as last season. It's a shame how they are only smearing the same threads over with melodrama...i hope it picks up, because it has the potential to be a great season.
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IS WHAT the show isnt answering FOR U???? the answers are there for me. thats why u are a....not intelligent donkey?? im supposing...
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...If everyone is talkin bout their favorite episode... last week we was buzzin wit ideas, questions, theories... this week? "flashes before my eyes was my fave"... PS- I think that was my fave...
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That's true. And we clearly haven't seen how his Sideways tale develops yet. I completely forgot about Jin in the freezer which I'm guessing has something to do with his wife getting his assets... "frozen" when she didn't have his back at the airport. Expect to learn the answers three episodes from now if precedent can be trusted.
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u wanna settle this man o mano??? wow... how old are u... thats classic. i have a daughter too is that bad for my TB CRED????
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... MIBs name... why Sun didnt time travel... what happened to Claire... who is Richard... why is there two Christian ghosts that contradict each other... wheres Vincent... wheres Benard and Rose... and these are basic questions that we have been wonderin about for at least eight episodes and none are about Lax.... so the questions you wanted answer is why does Dogen have a baseball bat and what does Claire do on the island by herself (which we learned tonight is singin)...
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Musically, this is a top 5 episode of LOST.
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Musically, this is a top 5 episode of LOST.
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not trying to hate on u but....u have watched the WHOLE SERIES right?? thats ALOT of character development brotha...
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March 2, 2010, 10:49 p.m. CST
I have a theory about the "Alternate Realities" week 4
by KeepFuckingThatChicken
I am gonna post this every week in the Lost talkbacks so I can prove I am right in May.<p> What if Desmond, Charlie, Hurley, Sawyer, Jack, Kate etc. being in Los Angeles WASN'T an alternate reality and WASN'T happening as the same time as the castaways being on the island.<p> WHAT IF that the castaways being back in LA is technically Season 7? Hear me out. <p> Season 4 was a Flash Forward season. One part was on the island, but future events took place off of the island.<p> What if the same was taking place in season 6? I believe they are doing the Flash Forward method again...but I guess they are calling them Flash "Sideways"<p> There was only ONE result from the explosion and that is them being still on the island. I think by the end of season 6, there will be an time changing EVENT that will cause the castaways' to jump back onto the Oceanic 815 where Jack is looking out of the plane, Kate back on handcuffs, Hurley being lucky, etc etc. What season 6 is the finale of the island as well as the flash"sideways" being "season 7"/the epilogue of them being home FINALLY with no recollection of the events from the island. It would explain why they look weird and funny at each other when they see each other again in LA and then later on not even recognize each other like Jack and Sayid didn't. Whatever event makes them jump back into the past and on the plane which seems like this series is headed towards a "Deus Ex Machina" ending (Look up the term). <p> At the end of season 6, I think the event will cause a new reality where the island to be underwater hidden for good, Jacob will never know these people nor visit them so it will have a butterfly effect and change everyone's lives.<p> Dharma will still exist as seen by the CG scene at the very beginning of the season but everyone on the plane has different lives and paths such as Rose (even though she has cancer still) , Bernard, Charlie, Sayid (who has Nadia alive, but married...Damon and Carlton must have liked the movie Funny People) Desmond (who is on the plane because he never had to go to the island because he probably already has Penny so he never causes the plane to crash...because the Dharma scientists maybe underwater at the island pressing 4 8 15 16 23 42), Jack (who has a son), Kate (just running still..BORING!), Sawyer, Boone, Locke (who is looking like he will be saved by Jack in "Season 7", is ok with his father, has peggy bundy by his side and might be the reason why the Deus Ex Machina ending will be happening), Hurley (who never is unlucky, but an easy going rich guy), Jin, Sun and Claire (who is still pregnant). It is like getting the best of both worlds for a finale.<p> There is NOTHING within these first 6 episodes that says they will connect the 2 storylines together, which shows that the scenes off the island has great potential to be the actual ending to all of the characters. Them on the island now and the castaways not being on the island AT ALL because of the Event that will take place at the end of season 6 to cause them to be back on the plane. Season 5's attempt to use the bomb to get back on the plane FAILED but someone will come up with another plan (Maybe now "Evil" Locke/Man in Black's plan to escape) and it will work finally at the end of Season 6 on the island.<p> Ok, for other random theories...I know people already said Claire is possessed by Rousseau so what if Locke possessed Sayid? Like as long as the dead bodies are on the island, their souls are still there too. Just saying...
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6 episodes in and.... shit WHY an i trying....
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... I was hopin you were a teen... that way i wouldnt feel so bad about your close mindedness (to everythin from other peoples opinions or religions like you displayed last week)... but oh well, hope you dont pass that down to your daughter... and im 25... whats wit your obsession wit fightin strangers? i thought you were a christian, but nope just another hypocrite...
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from a guy that thinks the way u do. like i said typical idiot on ALL LEVELS...
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... Of a show thats been on for six seasons, meanin more than six episodes in... WE HAVE BEEN ASKIN ABOUT RICHARD FOR YEARS...
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TIME OUT! Both of you to your rooms for 20 minutes! <p> AHHHHHHHHH!!! <p> I don't care WHO started it! <p> Both of you...To your rooms! Or you don't get a fish bisquit! Lol!!
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u should get ur Richard answers mmmkay??
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... and tell me who is more "right" in our debate... but you would have to know that he has a hard on for me mostly due to my religious belief...
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i dont wanna!!!!!!
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I DONT BRING THAT SHIT UP!!! U DO IN UR POSTS!!!! ITS LIKE POLITICS ---DONT TALK SHIT ABOUT SOMEONE ELSE'S BELIEFS BROTHA...
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... that scene was creepy and cool... lost music always take the scene to another level
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:01 Previously on LOST ... :05 meh ... :10 meh ... :15 hmm ... :20 meh ... :25 enough with the flash-sideways already :30 cool ... :35 ok ... :40 interesting ... :45 hey I wonder if ... :50 getting better ... :55 HOLY SHIT!!! THIS ROCKZ!! Can hardly wait 'til next week!!
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I'm riding this horse backwards..
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I loved it. One of my top 10 easily and the best of this season so far. Sayid was badass and creepy. Evil Sayid is even better than Evil Locke/Smokey. Miles saying Claire was still "hot" was hilarious.<p> Jaysin after season 4, I learned to never watch previews because they always imply something will happen but then doesn't. In a way, a preview is false storytelling. That is why they couldn't put anything in a preview from this episode because they couldn't bullshit nothing in a preview because the episode was badass in almost every scene, even in the flash sideways. Loved that Keamy was the loan shark leader and Sayid killed him in cold blood. <p> To be honest though, the only questions I think were answered for me was "Why couldn't the smoke monster go into the temple?" and "How long was Sayid dead for?"..See that is why I do not watch previews "QUESTIONS...WILL BE...ANSWERED!" They answered 2 so the preview was right... give me a fucking break. -_-
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and get my LIFE LESSON for the day...damn u fucking ATHIESTS!!! u made me turn to BENNY HINN!!!
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I gotta tell ya...When I was writing that sentence...the only TV ad I could remember from tonight's episode was that one. <p> Job well done ad wizards from Old Spice!
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That's what I want, but so far, not getting it. The flash sideways are reeeeeeeally dragging down the final shows, which are already eaten up with a lot of commercial time. Too bad... Still, there was a great deal to be enjoyed in tonight's ep. Loved the action! TONS OF ANSWERS need to be forthcoming though.
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why didn't Claire kill Kate when she had the chance?...she got all bug eyed when Kate told her that she was raising Aaron so I thought for sure she would pounce on her once she got out of the pit
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Soon. They b-tard troll-sy kids will tire soon enough, my freund. Sure, shortly to come, mom will order lights out ..or they'll get yet another I.M. drawing the wee 'mistakes of nature' back for more Scandinavian Scat Porn.<br><br> Once. 4-Chan was relevant. meant something. Now, it is just a bigger place that bigger losers congregate than AICN.<br><br> Wait. Whaaaaat.<br><br> Sorry, Herc.
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just had a little xtra energy tonite brotha... had to fight the good fight...
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March 2, 2010, 11:21 p.m. CST
The Flash Sideways are not ruining the show.
by KeepFuckingThatChicken
If it was all just scenes on the island, then at the end of the season 6 there would be a group of people bitching about what happens after the island and the show ended. These Flash Sideways help kill 2 birds with one stone...just be patient and watch.
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good point brotha...now if only it would SPREAD lol...
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And I was gonna type somethin mean and snark-y bout Shaun White being months away from becoming the new Carrot-Top and then you see what the lad can do with a board hot or cold ..and you are just like ..Gaaaawddaaaaamn!<br><br> You wear that bedazzled leather buddy. You wear it with pride! Freak on well earned!
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Ok folks...ready for the formula for this season? <p> First 6 episodes...you only get 2 answers per episode. <p> Next 4 episodes...you only get 3 answers per episode. <p> Next 3 episodes...you only get 4 answers per episode. <p> Next 2 episode...you only get 2 answers per episode. <p> 2 hour Series Finale...You get a fuckin SHIT LOAD of answers! <p> Do the math, folks...If they answer all the questions NOW...you won't watch all the way to MAY. <p> It's March fuckin 2nd! Give it a rest, please, for the love of fuckin Benjiman! <p> Either gather some damn patience...or go watch Jersey Shore or somethin! I was so happy when the end date was announced...But I could never have forseen that the end date would put such unrealistic expectations on how fast people needed their precious questions answered! <p> I kinda wish we all thought there WAS a season 7 coming!! The Zombie Season would have rocked!~ <p> Please...just try and appreciate the tiny bones they throw out each week and stop whining like a kid who only got 3 Gummy Bears instead of 5. <p> The answers are coming...but there's a committment to ABC to deliver whopping ratings for the May finale...and if Darlton doles out ALL the answers before then...the show's end game gets figured out...and there's no REASON for us to stick around for the big send off. <p> ABC gave them a chance to end the show on THEIR terms...they OWE ABC huge ratings in May. All they owe us is a great ride getting there. <p> And tonight...was a great ride, for me anyways. Your mileage may vary. You are entitled to your frustration & opinion...but dear God...it's starting to sound like a broken record in here...a broken record in here...a broken record in here...a broken record in here...a broken record in here...a broken record in here...a broken record in here...
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and your like gooood Gaaawd-daaamn!<br><br> This is a Samberg parody or somethin. I'm jus sayin.. I think. If the boy tried he could paint his nails two shades darker and get four ..maybe five more rings on his fingers. I am pretty certain were the last four got lost up in..<br><br> Jeeeesus Chriiist.
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FUCK LENO!!! hes the Sizzler to Rickey's Daddy...the Bake to the Shake ( see!! it backwards NOW )... the Voodoo to good late nite....arrrghhhh... not u too!!!!
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lol. these "dumasses" are stuck on NOTQUICKENOUGHANSWER ISLAND...in the past...
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...really was a portend of things to come. Some choosing FLocke's side...some choosing Jacob's...it's all in that picture.
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"The smoke monster kicked ass like a 1987 Mike Tyson tonight"<br><br> Red Velvet Cupcakes....<br><br> If I had to ordinate late night hosts to go out and get a drink on with...<br><br> 1) Craig Ferguson ..he's Scots and now sober ..and that is important with how much i can drink<br> 2) Yimmey..cause I am sure I could drink him under and get him to show me the Sarah Silverman sex tapes ..and you just know those are all kinds of fuckin bizarre. I'm jus sayin. I've heard things. <br><br> ...Mostly from Sarah.
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Emilie De Ravin on the kid from SNL's show in a few minutes! A cleaned up, sparkly fresh Claire!! <p> Damn! And I'm all outta Jergens! FUCK! <p> Speakin of which...anyone see Emilie in that ad for that movie starring the gay vampire boy? Man, that looks like a steamy pile of dingo dirt!
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Poor, Poor Sayid...
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March 2, 2010, 11:50 p.m. CST
So will Alpert and Ilana, Jacob's two biggest supporters...
by D.Vader
... Eventually fall to the Dark Side, based on the Last Supper picture? Sure is starting to look that way, eh?
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Um....nope. That cast photo has nuthin to do with what's playing out. But fun to speculate!
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Gotta sit thru a Wesley Snipes interview. How did he become relevant again? Someone please 'splain. <p> Pay yer damn taxes, bitch!
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... don't sound like real LOST fans to me. Just sayin'. Why'd you start watching in the first place? Was it just for answers? Not for the characters? Oh, that explains all your complaints about the lack of every answer being given in the BEGINNING of the season. <p> Hmmm.
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for Emilie's interview. The girl is fuckin "hot" to quote Miles...but not the brightest candle on the cake.
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I didn't think the Last Supper picture would end up meaning anything. Not saying it will in the end... <p> BUT RIGHT NOW, four of the six people on Locke's left (his right, our left) are now following him. So... hmmmm....
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Thought sure that Sayid would die since it was his flash. Great episode like always!
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LOVED IT. Not much else to say. I just hope to hell they don't kill off Ben Linus next week. He's the best character they've ever had.
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I mean, they ARE in the fountain of youth, like Sayid was... <p> Or do they need to be dragged out in order to be reborn?
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Size, Blade Shape, Carry, Metallurgy.<br><br> Haven't watched it again ..but seemed as a Xiphos.<br><br> says a lot.
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I don't see him as Locke. I don't lament the loss of a great character. I don't see him as Locke acting different. I really see him as someone completely different, a totally different entity with different motivations behind those eyes and smiles and frowns. <p> Its a testament to Terry O Quinn's acting that he can seem like someone *completely* new, to the point where I hardly ever see the old Locke in him... but sometimes there's juuuuuuust enough to remind me who he once was.
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March 3, 2010, 12:20 a.m. CST
That's going to go down as one of the craziest LOST episodes eve
by nopix
It was creepy, full of action, dramatic, bloody, and awesome. And the flash sideways was intriguing. We don't know where it's going yet, but he did run into Jin.
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"You know, like that one the Dharma folks set up?" <p>"New guy, you're a fucking asshole. We don't need a sonic fence! We got Dogun!"
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... In order to leave? Because then and only then he won't have anyone to protect or to judge? He won't have a purpose when everyone is dead?
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When Kate was looking up at it.
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Because you can't turn a Dogen off. <p> Unless Smokey sends in a semi-trusted DarkSider with a knife, I mean.
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When I say character development, I'm not talking about all the stuff that happened throughout the season. Obviously there's a lot - some would even say too much (jack's tattoos). But these sideways aren't anything new...the characters are just experiencing the same shit they've experienced before, and I don't mean like Jack getting one drink instead of two. I mean, like Sayid's "I'm a torturer, but I'm trying to change" schtick which has been re-used season after season, this time even more blandly. I think the problem is that because they are not actual flash-backs, there is no connectivity to the characters we see in different timelines. That is, the dilemmas they face in the sideways hold no real weight in the present because it's not really the same person. I'm sure they share a link, but right now as an audience, not knowing that link is really detracting from the proper enjoyment. I'm not looking for answers, just good writing.
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It was the secret exit that Hurley and Jack used to sneak out of the Temple.
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What kind of small-thinking moron are you? <p> By that logic, EVERY show is a freaking waste of time. So much for wanting foreshadowing, setup, character development, and thematic subtext in a show, jeebus cristo.
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Emilie de Ravin is dumb. I just think she does lots and lots of drugs.<br><br> Like most girls from Oz.
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Belt and suspenders, I say! Why not Dogen AND a sonic fence. Just in the incredibly incredibly super-unlikely event some angry little Iraqi decides to beat Dogen to death with his bare hands?
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Wanna personally thank you for getting the new talkbacks up so early this season. Nice job, brutha. Last season you were killin me! <p> So ya hated "Lighthose"...whd ya think of "Sundown"?
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DogEn turned it on, "Spread the ash!" remember? Spreading the ash? No? nothin?<br><br> Ash! But not Bruce Campbell. Ya know, maybe they should have, as mentioned above, spread some Bruce Campbell around. ya know.
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And his Industry to build them a Sonic Fence before giving his ass the boot off the Island. Juuuuuuuuuust to be on the safe side. <p> Though I guess they figured having a Dogen was laughable to begin with since there was no way Jacob would ever be killed.
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Emilie didn't do so bad tonight. Loved Jimmy trying to trick her into spilling the end. Almost got her. SNIPERS! <p> My god her gams are fantastic. Wish she wasn't always preggers or wearin pants every scene. Those get away sticks are to fine to hide!
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Sayid is playing Smokey. He "killed" Dogen and Lennon, sure. But he left them both in the Not-Lazarus Pit -- he even "killed" Dogen the same way he "died" in the premiere. It would not shock me in the slightest if Sayid had this all figured out (or at least the salient details) and did it to get close to Fake Locke and figure out his next move. That would cement Sayid as the show's ultimate badass and give him the redemption he truly wants...or maybe not and he's really turned and everyone's screwed :-).
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March 3, 2010, 12:40 a.m. CST
Emilie was prob better than Robert Pattinson on The Daily Show
by D.Vader
He was either drunk or stoned or just a ditzy idiot with laughably bad hair.
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It was different how it was the character telling it and not a flashback. I liked Dogen and will miss him. Lennon not so much.
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I'm getting really sick of people whining about not getting Answers for Questions from previous seasons when it's becoming increasingly obvious that half the people in this Talkback aren't FUCKING PAYING ATTENTION to things Being SAID and SHOWN week by week. RIGHT NOW!<br /><br />It would be one thing if two of you couldn't remember something that happened in Season 2 or one of you forgot an answer we were already given in Season 5, but half of you are misremembering things we were SHOWN or TOLD a week or two or three ago.<br /><br />Don't believe me? Go back to the top of this Talkback and read the crackpot theories. Last Week's Talkback was even WORSE. I'll post examples Below...
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Sayid has ALWAYS had something that sounded like a British accent. What show have you been watching the past 5 years, and how many Iraqis are you friends with?
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Hot piece of ace.
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is the funniest fuckin poster ive read in a long time. His reviews are the best part of 24 this season
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because that was so super difficult. <p> I didn't hate Lighthouse, I was thought it was the weakest of these first six hours. <p> This week's was obviously better, thanks to the ending(s). Liked Jin's skip-ahead cameo, loved Sayid kicking the moneychangers out of the temple and loved the Great Smokey Beatdown of 2007. <p> I think the "he" who's coming might be Aaron, carried to the island on a ornate golden throne borne on the backs of an enslaved Charles Widmore, Desmond Hume, Eloise Hawking and Walt Lloyd. <p> Also, I'm pretty sure Smokezilla could have invaded the Temple five seasons ago if somebody had just remembered to bring a broom.
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Don't forget: they had Dogun…AND JACOB. You know; the guy who had successfully protected the island since the days of ancient Egypt? Kinda hard to blame the temple folk for feeling “omnipotent” after being smokey-free for 5,000 years! Think of it this way. Imagine someone going to Kodak in the 1980’s and saying “hey watch me make a digital picture” and having them snort back, “Dude we make FILM, there ain’t no way anything will replace film!” That lapse of judgment is a heck of a lot less explicable than a group of people protected by a seemingly omnipotent leader for thousands of years. So, yeah; they didn’t think they needed the piss poor easily turned off sonic fence. Makes sense to me...in, you know, MHO.
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Someone in here was asking how Ilana would know so much about the Temple being an "Off Islander"? WHAT FUCKING SHOW ARE YOU WATCHING? She works for JACOB! She called Richard by his real name! Or at least the LATIN version of it.She's an OTHER! Jacob's secret pet Off Island Other that Richard and Ben and the MIB seem to have no foreknowledge of. But we've KNOWN that since LAST SEASON'S FINALE! She's demonstrated knowledge of Jacob, the MIB, Alpert, The Cabin, etc etc WATCH THE FUCKING SHOW etc etc and you can't figure out how she knows things about the Temple? Too busy drooling over her rack to PAY ATTENTION to everything she's DONE and SAID since halfway through LAST SEASON?
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how about Dogen being someone THAT important and... hasnt even BBEN on the island that long. u know with the references to banks and baseball. and HERC needs to get a freakin GRIP man... no SONIC FENCE??? REALLY??? man i dig his opinion on the fuckwad LENO but....
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This was all kinds of good for me. I'm happy as shit now.<p>Alwys a hoot to leave the best talkback of the season, full of thoughts and theorixin' and stuff, nap for a few hours and come back to find a shark infested swamp with homoerotic crocagator vs. Pihranacuda namecalling going on. Always big fun to watch people who don't even realize they're trolls discuss a show about people who don't realize they're evil.<p>After a few after school special episodes like "The Son we never knew Jack had is a big pianist", it's nice to see some action-adventure violence porn stuff. Big fun.
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The only thing I question though is that the water is tainted so does that mean they will come out like Sayid and Claire? I do think there has to be more to the Sayid issue than meets the eye since Jacob wanted him saved. I think Jacob is setting up a series of missteps for MIB just like you would play a chess game.
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I always make a point not to watch previews. And I always make the mistake of thinking I can waltz into these internet forums and not have the contents of the previews dumped on me anyway. Agh.<br><br> Anyway, this was another entertaining, involving episode, yet I still worry about where this is all headed. And I'm not a hater. I've been on board from the start. But after six years of dedicated viewing (I've never before even come close to devotedly watching a show over such a long time) I can't help but crave some payoff that makes the entire experience of watching the series complete. It honestly seems to be getting so convoluted that I can't imagine how it can all come together again. <br><br> The showrunners had said the final season will hark back to season 1 in terms of the story being about the characters. We're really only getting that from the alt-timeline stuff. But it's the island timeline where the show has invested most of it's time through six seasons. And in this timeline, we have actors playing new characters. Terry O'Quinn and Naveen Andrews are doing a fine job as baddies (especially Naveen in this episode) but I hope it's something more complex then "Locke and Sayid are dead but they're strutting around as evil body snatchers".<br><br> Don't get me wrong I don't feel like the show is wasting my time. But there's no question, the showrunners HAVE to have something good for the end game here. The show has been great at pulling off unpredictable turns but it can't just be unpredictable for the sake of being unpredictable.
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and hes a class A FUCKING IDIOT!!! wow never thought id say that...
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March 3, 2010, 12:56 a.m. CST
Well, Herc, I think they DID believe it to be super difficult
by D.Vader
A) The Man in Black was theoretically trapped, the Others probably believe. <p> B) The Man in Black, the only one on the Island who wants Jacob dead, can't kill Jacob directly<p> C) No one but the Leader could ever see Jacob, and even then it wasn't a sure deal (as Ben never saw him). <p> D) And even then, the Leader would never have a reason to kill Jacob bc, theoretically, everyone has faith in him and is a follower. <p> So, to their eyes, it did seem like Jacob being killed was extremely improbable.
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We get to remember past storylines with old charcters showing up and its leading to something. Jin showing up definately shows this.
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Remember Ilana DID know Richard was Richardus, but she DIDN'T know what he looked like.
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I would like to know more about what Dogen's job exactly was, but if not that was good enough.
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with all these lame "questions"???
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on the right side down a little. http://lostroom23.blogspot.com/
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....to drag out not giving us a name for this character this long tells me it's going to be a real oh shit moment. Or the writers decide to cop out and never name him. One of the two.
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why trust someone as "young" island-wise as dogan with the protection of the temple. hmmm...kinda curious. maybe he had more "faith" in the island than anyone else....
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in previous seasons, did each episode start (after the 'previously on LOST clips) with the flash-forward, flash-back, etc? Or did they start with the on-island plot? </BR> Because this season always starts with the flash-sideways, then wooshes to the island. </BR> I just put in my s2 dvd, and every episode began on the island, and then flashed to the flashback....
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I'm unsure about the "tainted" water. Given what Alpert said last season about healing Young Ben and what happened after, given what happened to Rousseau's crew when they were in the Temple (though we don't know if they took a dip or not), and given what happened with Sayid, what the water does doesn't seem to be in question. Alpert knew the procedure would change Ben; Dogen acted like he expected the same from Sayid. The only reaction was to the look of the pool, how it was all cloudy. Maybe the murkiness of the water isn't what triggers a change, but what protects people from it? what if the murkiness was triggered by Jacob's death, by Jacob becoming one with the Island (as perhaps seen by his appearances to Hurley and Fake Locke)...akin to Obi-Wan "becoming more powerful than [Vader] can possibly imagine" when Vader killed him? I like the chess analogy -- I think Jacob either had a contingency plan in case Fake Locke got the better of him, or he's still in the game and Fake Locke is oblivious to that fact.
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his last name is Dawson, dumbass
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switch to Xanax. <p> Um...that would be me who referred to the smoking hot, exotic ass kicker that is Ilana as an 'off islander', brutha. And yes...I have been watching the same show as you. <p> Pardon the comment...but I was actually trying to be cute by pointing out her 'well versed' understanding of the Temple secret chambers for someone who spent what appears to be a lot of her time off island with a banged up noggin. <p> We just know so little about her early connection to the island...and how SHE knew the secret panel to the only safe exit out, when the folks that hang their drawers in the Temple all this time were all tryin to leave out the front door? <p> Just tryin to connect the dots that haven't been shown in her backstory as yet, old friend. Please...try to cymmer down.
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Some started with a flashback, others on Island. They liked to break it up so you never knew exactly where they were sometimes. <p> For instance, I'm pretty sure "White Rabbit" started with the EYE OPENING of Jack, but it was Jack as a kid during a flashback.
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was unhappy with this episode because he wants to know more about Richard. And he wants to know "What Happened to Claire?"<br /><br />We're getting an Alpert centric episode later this season. We've KNOWN that for WEEKS. I think Herc even posted WHICH episode it's going to be. <br /><br />It's one thing to gripe about answers not being given fast enough. But when you've been told that a specific character is going to be addressed in a specific episode and you're STILL griping?<br /><br />As for Claire: Does the word IMPLY mean anything to you people?<br /><br /> How about the word INFER?<br /><br /> We KNOW what happened to Claire!<br /><br /> She wandered around on the Island for 3 years going LOCO with noone to talk to but her "Father" and her "Friend". And she was Tortured by the Others just like Sayid because she's "Infected".<br /><br />We were TOLD that!<br /><br />We were SHOWN that!<br /><br />We HAVE that ANSWER!<br /><br />"What Happened to Claire?!" What happened to your ability to process information delivered Verbally and/or Visually?
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is that since it's NOT a season long series finale, the long awaited answers are trickling out in hi-def jotter free slo-mo. The answers we're being given are not yet clear explanatins, just very significant hints. We don;t know everything there is to know about a smoke monster, but knowing it's a He instead of an it is major. Seeing the Numbers in two new applications relevant to their importance is still not a complete explanation. but, dude, no matter how unrealistic your idea of sci-fi is, Islands do not rig lotteries. Some things have to be accepted as coincidence and if you can't stretch your suspension of disbelief that far, WSFY, (wrong show for you.)<p>Currently the BIG Mystery: Whussup w/ the FlashSides?<p>Tonight Sayid reveals he can never have what he wants: Nadia alive again. NonLocke tells him maybe he can and we cut directly to the SideFlash of Sayid and Nadia. Looks like the framework of a direct connection; do you need the dots connected on the palm of your hand?<p>One legit fan-gripe as opposed to troll-carping: STILL introducing new characters at this stage? Did we need the Temple Others, other then as a way to show us what Cindy, Zach and Emma were up to? Well, lets say no and kill 'em. Yayyy.<p>ADD kids who need there answers now want 'em BIG, don't wanna count minor revelations. Well, with only sixteen hours to work with, they couldn't clearly show us how long Sayid was dead, so this episode Miles comes straight out and says "man, you were dead two hours, and the Temple Others did NOT save you." That may be an answer to a question no one thought to ask, but it's still solid, pretty important information.<p>The second that Dogen/Sayid fight broke out, three moves in I was pretty sure "one of these men are going to die." No, I did not expect a fallen baseball to end round one, but Sayid sure came back in round two and finished the thing.<p>Holy crap, talk about foreshadowing, a character identified as an ASSASSIN and a guy named LENNON! Do the math.<p>But why are all the first time casual viewers so convinced that Dogen and Lennon might actually be permanently dead when they're floating face down in the Resurrection Pool? The pool saved Ben, it revived Sayid, why would it not heal Dogen and Lennon?
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I've just reviewed your history of talkbacks, which turns out to be one long string of slurs, insults, trolling and personal attacks. One more and you are gone, junior.
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Who knows what the group has been talking about on the way to the Temple, but they knew some bad shit was about to go down. <p> "Where's Sayid?" <p> Ben rises to the challenge: "I'LL go get him!" <p> Made me want to stand up and cheer. Finally this season we got to see Ben with a purpose! <p> "Come with me, its not too late!" <p> Sayid: "It is for me." Flashes Ben the CRAZY EYES and fingers a bloody knife. <p> Ben did exactly what I would... and calmly backed away. <p> I forgot already, but did we see Ben meet up with the rest of the group or do we assume he found his way there?
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In season 1 they mixed it up. Some would start on island, and others would start with a flashback - Locke's episode Deus Ex Machina comes to mind. The episode opens with Locke working in a toy store.
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If MIB was trapped in the cabin and Locke saw him...what monster was out there killing people?
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Do editors and mods have the ability to pretty much single out a talkbacker and see every post he's ever made without any context to his or her replies? Just a talkback full of one person's posts, for example? <p> I've been banned before and still can't figure out if it was a mistake or someone with a grudge.
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we're giving the creators/writers a little bit too much credit personally. Don't get me wrong some of it has been f'ck'ng fantastic, but i think they just slipped up a few times and we've taken details which have no purpose or shouldn't have been in there and its made it too difficult too see a plausible ending or answer that can explain everything. What'd that pointy eared goblin basterd say, Once you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. Now its fiction so nothing's impossible so long as they can back it up with fictional fact, or explain it, but with everything going on, as someone said they'd have to get jacob give his episode long lecture by the foot to do that. My guess is its what they've already showed with irrelevant gaps to the storyline. There's a good guy, a bad guy,(who knows what they are and where they came from, they're definately not going to answer that definitively) and a game of backgammon. Each one is trying to get their pieces to go one place, whoever gets theirs there first wins. With all the timeline crap I reckon its going to Deus Ex Machina bigtime, Russell T. Davies will probably Guest produce. Basically everything that happened mattered, but none of it matters. All time lines existed to serve their purpose of bringing about the endgame in the correct order with the correct pieces in place, and then the winning prize is the black & white sides go "home" or "ascend" or whatever BS religious/sci-fi/mythical spin they decide on for the last episode, and all timeline reset and go back to the plane not crashing. They've shown they have the power to pass through time, move objects in time, and guide destiny, is it that far-fetched to assume they can plan 4th dimensionally and manipulate time in order to "win"? I do like the idea someone mentioned about the flash-sideways actually being the "post-war" timeline, in that its not what happened if the bomb went off, but what happens when the war is over. Discuss, curse, and spit & shit, if you will kind sirs.
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Yes. People don't usually get banned (at least not by me) unless they've demonstrated a history of bad behavior.
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just wondering myself brotha....
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The Locke-centric and tonight's Sayid-centric are my favorites so far for this season. Great to get more Sayid-fu action, lots of creepy tension, the score by Giaccino is great - loved hearing Kate's theme" when she came back in the temple. Terry O'Quinn may deserve another Emmy nomination for FakeLocke - he's playing him a bit differently than Locke. The quick "here are some of the other characters now at the temple" bit at the end was rushed, but didn't sink the whole episode.
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I'm glad you gave Billbo one instead of making his posts disappear without explanation. I've seen it happen many times before (though not on your watch).
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You're right, I need to calm down. But these crackpot theories being thrown around in here by people who obviously are paying more attention to their own imaginings than THE SHOW ITSELF are making my head explode.<br /><br /> How can ANYONE think Dharma was Never on the Island in the Sideways Reality when we were SHOWN a Dharma Shark swimming past an Underwater Dharmaville?
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March 3, 2010, 1:28 a.m. CST
A question about last week's music and its character connection
by D.Vader
So last week during all the off-Island Jack scenes, Giacchino didn't play Jack's Theme music. Instead he played... Juliet's! <p> Though it could be argued that the theme is *actually* "Jack and Juliet" since it first appeared at the end of the Season 3 episode where Jack and Juliet ride the ferry from Hydra Island back to LOST Island at night and share the experience together. <p> It was a wonderful piece of music, and next to the development of the sinister Season 2 and 3 Others' Theme into the melancholy and somber Ben's Theme, it was my favorite new piece of music for a long time. <p> But during every Juliet flashback episode afterward, they always played that music, and so it seemed it had become "Juliet's Theme". <p> But last week it played during Jack's scenes, including one's with his son. Does this potentially mean that Juliet is Jack's ex-wife and baby-momma? <p> Eeeeeeenteresting, no?
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But he owes you a big time appo-poly-ology since he was diametrically opposed to being correct about the last name of the Illegitimate son of the unwed Michael Dawson and Susan Lloyd.<p>Not to fellate my own brass, but I mention Michael, Walt and Susan BY NAME in the 5-part fan fic posted above, and I mentioned it in a previous talkback when I looked up Walter Lloyd's correct full name because I wondered it Walt was short for Wallace 108. Which it isn't.<p>Speaking of appy-polly-ologies owed but never to come, a week or two back some probe was pretty insistent that Joanna was Joanna Miller's last name. Um, it isn't.
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We can track your talkback history across the entire site. Your first post was on Sat, 03/07/2009 - 2:07am. It read: "how stupid is is this new "character". they send text mess. directly to Clair's freaking phone and im on the the governments main computer system at Building 26. gee i hope they dont try to track me......" <p> so there's some incentive to keep things civil. We probably ban fewer people than any other major site on the planet, but even we have limits I reckon.
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After this many talkbacks offerd up I conjure Herc is feelin a bit like Non-John. So, as master of the lecture, putting up with this much mush dumb and mean ..and drunk.. and whatnots. His best and worthy task is to be Socratic, challenge every and all assumptions. I'm just sayin. Beautimous bastard.<br><br> Be thankful for a place free (as long as you buy some stuff off Amazon ..heh, I'm still pissed about $16 somethin for Serenity on DVD) to crack wise this about that. ya know. <br><br> As someone asked bout Ilana ..how she knows things..well. Jacob, he did ask her, "will you help me again?" did he knot?
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Was that a Heroes talkback I wonder?
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Hey, anyone get that ep in HD? Who's the blonde mummy with the kid at the beach on the back wall when he's listening to the answerring machine... I only got the SD version, and i'm sur ethere's plenty of blondes out there, but seeing as everyone seems to be meeting back up in bizzaro-world, i think you're onto something there.
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I thought the Lighthouse episode was good because it was the only episode of this season that felt like 'classic' Lost.
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You're right Ilana didn't know what Richard looked like. And he HAD NO IDEA WHO SHE IS. Neither does Ben. Neither does Old Smokey. She's Jacob's Wild Card.
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last week crazy Claire vows "If Kate took Aaron I'll kill her!" and this week Kate peers down into Claire's pit and says (not an actual quote) "Hi Claire, remember me? I'm Kate and I TOOK YOUR BABY off the island!" Yay, way to poke the bear, Kate.<p>Also, always great to see Keamy die. Not because he was a slightly effeminate egg-cooker, just on the general principles that he's Martin Keamy. CAP!!![poom]Lost
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Yes, it was a Heroes post: AICN post no. 40324
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Showin your age and adoptin a combat stance and a passive aggressive pose up above. I do know so well ..about.<br><br> Love your writin though.<br><br> Mopeds and Nunjas.
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Ilana is Yves Adele Harlowe and Richard, Ben and MIB are the Gobsmacked Trio. <br /><br />Which is funny because Zuleikha Robinson actually WAS Yves Adele Harlowe.
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Now that I slowly piece together my memories and recall that episode, Jay sorta has a point with that. <p> Though I think that kid who talks to computers could just as easily erase all phone call and IM text history. <p> Bleh. Now you got me chatting Heroes. On a LOST board. Way to go Herc.
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Doc Jensen over at EW has a theory that David's big blue eyes were not a coincidence, but rather are a product of the bonding Jack & Juliets reproductive juices in the sideways world. <p> Not a long stretch, considering they are both doctors & that they might have hooked up at some medical convention and knocked some boots. <p> Thus, the overlapping of "Juliet's Theme" into Jacky Boy's flashy side.
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have you had an opportunity to review the work of a poet named lostboytexass?<p>(Oh, boo me, I just said what everyone else was thinking.)
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She apparently already knew Jacob when he came to visit her mummy-looking face in that Russian hospital. Next time we saw that kisser of hers -- flirtily batting its lashes at Sayid -- it didn't sport so much as mini-Curad.
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I've been WAY behind the times with him this year.
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aintitcool.com/user -> track
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without a fancy post search scanner. All ya gotta do is scroll up, Herc! You'll find enuff evidence for the boot in 4 of his last posts! Lol!
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"Yay, way to poke the bear, Kate."<br><br> Right on. Bear Pit. Was that intentional? Do you know the history of the Bear Pit?<br><br> Beyond Kirk Douglas and Tony Curtis..Erik and Einar..scratched out eyes and cut off hands.<br><br> What a grand movie. Any is, that has Janet leigh..
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I don't my showing my 57 years one month two weeks and a day of age. And yes, the morning after Chapman adopted a combat stance was one of those JFK/9-11 moments that divided my entire life into before and after. Put a Lennon and an Assassin on the same island, whadaya 'spect? If only Yoko'd had a resurrection pool.<p>You say passive aggressive, I say sarky. You're not referring to where I said you seemed drunker than usual, because that was meant as "high" praise. Peace out FauxMulder - I like your stuff too.
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and go read Doc's glorious 'Alice In WonderLOST' recap of "Lighthouse" and you will be amazed at his revelations. The videos that follow on the last page are awesome, too...and where he ponders a sideways world with Juliet & Jack together with son...then apart. Mind the spaces! <p> http://ew.chtah.com/a/hBLjXtoAsM0eqB796w$EM1HsaCW/item1-34
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Harold Perrineau said he gets to apologize to her, and it's not in the flash sideways world, so I'm guessing they're ghosts. Hurley's likely involved.
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He's like Smokey searching and downloading information, possibly to ban/kill you. But he's basically a security system.
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Can't speak to Lennon. Honestly, to sound like the kids here and about.. he never impressed me that much. I was, in retro much more keen on the door than the bug. heh, light my fire, baby.<br><br> For me, the moment was Cobain. There is history there, as mentioned, drunkenly as you feature, before.<br><br> Ah, it is only a calendar that divides us and what is that, eh?<br><br> Everything. Anyway, now I have moooved on to being pissed at Cheif. Gosh-dammit.
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I was not at all familiar with http://tinyurl.com/thewolfpit<p>though viking funerals, long-lost brothers, crude compasses, long-boats - seems Lost-relevant.<p>Any image I was subconsciously trying to evoke would refer to AnaLucia stashing Tailies and Losties in a pit, James and Kate's fishbiscuit-fueled bearcage tryst and the time honored practice of bear-baiting the trolls.<p>As I keep telling my formerly beloved Susan, "I'm not nearly as smart or as literate as you seem to hope I am."<p>But you sir are quite informative: I found the movie of which you spoke simply by googling the three cast members you mentioned together in one search. And it was a wolf pit, not a bear pit. 8)
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Was episode three, Kate on the fucking run. That was insulting.
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"That other guy Jim" (as Flo & Eddy referred to him) was sad but the image: pop star gets fat, has heart attack in bathtub - seemed anticlimactic. Finding out the truth much later - he OD's on heroin at a nightclub and his friends Weekend-at-Bernie'd him home and striped him and tossed him in the tub as cover - that was epic.<p>Mr. Hole was after my time. Not the voice of my generation, we'll let pickle Bob and Pete Who fight over that honor. Though if Cobain really did, as oft credited, actually ride in on a grungy horse and slay the hair metal monster, eternal props for that. I could never shake the image of what a mess he left for Courtney to clean up though. Never a Nirvaniac but I've tended to like what I've heard. And you can never have too many cover versions of SmellsLTS...<p>The Band of Gypsies LP - recorded @ the Fillmore, December 31st, 1969, was the literal end of the sixties, but Chapman in a combat stance at the Dakota was the figurative.
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1) You missed the Jin in the Meat Locker as Metaphor for bloody and preserved.<br><br> 2) No love for callin Sayid was rewired to kill Keamy, sort of, was an 'event' required on both sides of the 'horizon'<br><br> 3) You can na tell me why Sawyer is wearin size 12 shoes at his parent's funeral<br><br> 4) Again, no love for the 'Bloody finger post' ..even this is what.. the 3rd week with reference to scales and good and evil and dark and light and Mirror darly natures..<br><br> 5) The query on the consequences of actions taken by certain 'LOSTies'..being..ok. too spoil-y<br><br> But, of late, or rather to date ..recent. Your post twice of that hack Doc Jensen, who swoops and swipes theory from all the talk back ponds around. when will he bring up Djinns. again.<br><br> But to be specific..you make point of David Shephard blue eyes, after, after I asked you to check Season 1, episode 5, 'White Rabbit' bout 40 minutes in? A long time, and just these weeks ago?<br><br> Well, I am pissed. Gosh-dammmit!<br><br><br> Not, really.. it is just much more fun to write ridiculous angry than not. jus sayin.
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Considering how whacky these TB's can get, thought I should quote the schoolyard riddle that inspired the Bob Dill reference, so no one would think it was some anti-semitic pickle nose reference.<p>Seriously, I love the Semites.
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Yeah, it does seem kinda weird to identify Claire as "the Australian chick", pointing out the odd lack of Ozzy survivors among the 44 who lived from a Sydney-to-LA trip.
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I guess I'm pretty mundane. It will take a rewatching and a few days of intensive talk-backing to truly discern "what did we learn on the show tonight"?<p>I just much prefer a balls to the wall adrenalin pumping all out action thrill-ride kill-fest like this to an afternoon special about a introspective boy and his piano. Guess I'm just shallow that way.
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I apologize. I will work my frazzled brain pan on these and more MacFaux puzzlers after the "Sun Up"...as I am fallin asleep in my spitoon at the moment. <p> Stay frosty.
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"He's coming and we can't stop him" gets used for a Lost porn fan-fic?
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March 3, 2010, 2:48 a.m. CST
Dogan's story may have explained the alternative timeline
by Prof. Pop-Cult
In this episode, it looks like we were finally given a hint as to why the alternate timeline exists, when Dogan told the story of his dead son and Jacob making him an offer to bring him back.<p><p>As for how Libby fits in later this season: I wonder if she could be David's mother. (The second, and actually most logical, possibility would be Juliet.) Sarah is blonde, and so are Libby and Juliet. So considering this pattern alone, it fits.
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Sayid seemed to believe Dogan when he said that killing Unlocke was a way to redeem himself, especially since he way willing to stab him without even talking to Unlocke. So when the stabbing failed, Sayid just did what Unlocke told him to do so he would get in close with him. Staying with him til he finds a weakness or opportunity to kill him.
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but would he kill 2 people simply to get in good with someone on the off chance he finds a way of killing someone/thing that doesn't mind a bit of light stabbing?
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I'm on, my time..<br> with everyone.<br> I have, <br> very bad posture...<br> Sit and drink Pennyroyal tea,<br> Distill the life that's inside of me.<br> Sit and drink Pennyroyal tea,<br> I'm anemic royalty.<br> <br> Give me.. <br> Leonard..<br> Cohen after world.<br> So I, can sigh, eternally.<br> I'm so tired I can't sleep.<br> I'm a liar and a theif.<br> sit and drink Pennyroyal tea,<br> I'm anemic royalty.<br> <br> I'm on, warm milk..<br> and laxatives.<br> Cherry, flavored,<br> antacids. <br> Sit and drink Pennyroyal tea,<br> Distill the life that's inside of me.<br> Sit and drink Pennyroyal tea,<br> I'm anemic royalty.<br>
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I think Sayid knows how important it is that Unlocke is stopped. He'd kill anyone short of a friend to get that done. He doesn't know anything about Unlocke really but he's on the island for a reason. Maybe this is it.
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Jacob has implied all the canidates have a purpose for being there. They all have something they need to do even if they don't know it. I think this is Sayid's and on some level he knows it.
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It just seems like theres very few characters that even care whats going on. You'd think out of all of them they would question everything around them, but they don't. The show is "possibly" about free will, but these people all just follow instructions blindly and complete tasks like helper monkeys
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Workin hard to keep the board troll-y free. I'm jus sayin. The man is all right now and then some.<br><br> Name that movie! 3 words. Last three of that last sentence.<br><br> Jay would know! Rock on Jay. You da man!
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dumb Americans.
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Accidentally hit enter. But are we still supposed to be leaning toward Jacob and the Others being good and Smokey bad? It's the final hours of the show and the others still cannot explain a fucking thing. Dogen to Saydi: You're evil, but you can prove you're good by killing someone you don't know because a guy who has tortured you and tried to kill you and has been the cause of countless other deaths of your friends tells you to.<p>Why would any of the 815ers believe a damned thing the others say. They have every reason to side with MIB. And what answers did we get tonight? Dogen tells Sayid why he tried to kill him, which he had already explained to Jack. Sayid asks why Dogen didn't kill him himself and he tells Sayid a story and avoids the question.
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no answers, just more questions<p> sideways 'verse sucks worse than back flashes<p> Just don't give a fuck about that shit<p> It's like garnishes on a plate<br> Don't want that shit<br> Get it out of here<br> It dilutes the stuff I do want<p> Seamy's part in the over all story is now maybe 1/8th as cool as it was before<p> Stuff on the island = cool<p> Everything else, suck my dick
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*snort* Really? no answers, just more questions? Seriously? That, is your bitch? Nipple, that whinge, is just, ya know... Life.<br><br> Welcome to the Menagerie.<br><br> Funny, how they forgot to tell you... this is all you will ever be..<br><br> Garnishes? If you had ate your vegetables.. you might have better appreciated your meat. And if you had ate your meat, well, you might have got some puddding.<br><br> But as you don't really, like puddding, but just like eating the meat... Well, I feature you will just wind up SUCKING Jello. Probably, masticated and fed to you by someone else through a straw.<br><br> And if so, then why did you want any pudding?<br><br> It is like you have hit The Wall. <br><br> Butterscotch.
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The Sayid and Nadia musical que being the same as Desmond and Penny. The whole episode ..was so well done, in the tragic conveyed.<bR><br> Bravo.<br><br> And speaking of audio imagery.. did any one notice that when Sayid asked Dogen .."Let's start with that Machine.."<br><br> The sound was as same as the Flash-Sideways?<br><br> No? Nothin? ok.
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Things are getting nonsensical, and people (and plot devices) are just appearing out of thin air.<P> Jack: "A light house. How did we not see this before?"<P> Hurley: "Maybe we weren't looking for it, dude."<P> Oh, fuck off, Darlton. This shit doesn't cut it. LOST had better recover from amateur scriptwriting bullshit like THAT, or you'll have nothing but the biggest disappointment since the endings of KINGDOM HOSPITAL and BATTLESTAR GALACTICA on your hands.<P> (For those who care: my favourite ever series finales? "Blake" in BLAKE'S SEVEN, and the last ep of BOSTON LEGAL, which finally wrote The Shat into legend. I actually prefer Denny Crane to James T Kirk. No horseshit, Wang.)
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Wanna bet he dies in the flash sideways and this has consequences on the island? <p> I hope we get a Christian-centric at some point. At the moment episodes 13 and 14 seem the only ones up for grabs. I'm impressed by the fact that although there is spoilery information out there, nobody seems to have a clue about story elements or mythology. Just the odd bit of logistical stuff here and there that acts as a teaser more than anything. They've got their shit together on this. Can't believe that line about Ben's demise wasn't authorised.
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pried open my mouth and shit in my skull. In a good way.
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"- We will learn what the island is from Jacob. Last week she said that it is a 4-letter word with out an A or E but this week she says it has an O" Read more: http://spoilerslost.blogspot.com/#ixzz0h7GkVtF2
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What I found disturbing lately is that I've been rewatching the entire series and Kate is in the supermarket an awful lot. This makes me think back to how I thought she was miscast in The Hurt Locker because when they got to that part in the movie it seemed like a flashback from Lost.
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are not done by the people involved with the shows so i could see ABC ruining a surprise like this. there's been a number of shows where the producers complained about how much commercials would show, i think Lost is even in that pack. but someone's theory of ben dying in the flash sideway could explain it too.
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I agree with McSpud. And it's not about just being negative, or complaining about the "answers", or being a hater, etc. <P>It's simple. If you keep the mysteries to close to the vest, if your plot is too out of sight...look, I can't feel anything or care about the narrative if I don't have any context and if I don't know what's going on. If I'm feeling around in the dark for too long, the narrative simply isn't compelling anymore. <P>SPOILER: <P>Kate walking around the temple, viewing fire and bodies and destruction, visually striking...but I feel NOTHING because I have no context. I don't know who the good guy or bad guy is, what anybody's real intentions are, or where the plot is even going. Having mysteries is one thing. Save a twist for the end. I agree with that, no worries. BUT THE WHOLE SHOW ITSELF can't be a mystery. What's the point anymore. <P>Admit it: you watch LOST because it's a super-famous show, and the only reason you won't just wait for this season on Netflix is because you don't want to hear people talking about it and spoil it for you. So you have to watch it every week. If this was an underground show, we would all just wait for the season to be over then rent the whole thing at once to see what was going on.
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Locke episode - blonde kid in the jungle<B> Kate episode - Claire/Aaron<B> Jack episode - his son<B> Sayid episode - niece and nephew<P> Coincidence? I don't think so. Don't have a clue what it is, but it ain't no coincidence.
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Hear me out. I no longer think that jughead, the detonation, the incident, etc had much at all to do with the creation of the sideways verse. I think the AlteVerse is going to be the reality that Flocke creates when he lets our survivors go off the island and gives them "whatever they want" Sayid got Nadia back...but not in the way he would have wanted. But she is still alive, he can still "see her again". Sayid made a deal with the devil. I don't know know if that makes sense to anyone else, and I still tihnk Jughead obviously has something to do with the why the island sunk...but I don't think it directly created alti-verse. They are all getting what they wanted, but in that twisted "deal with the devil" way where you dont get exactly what you thoguht you were getting. Locke got his life back, for better and for worse. He has family and loved ones, but he can't walk. Jack gets to break the cycle of his fathers anger, but hes still very much alone. Kate...well, I don't really know on that one...she got to help keep Claire and Aaron together, but shes still a convict on the run. I also think it makes sense in terms of where the season is going, that eventually we will find out this Sideways Universe is actually wat happens if MiB wins and everyone gets to leave. Think about it this way, DOgen told us a story about a bargain that jacob gave him (his son life in exchange for his "life" off the island) which is a damned hard bargain. He made a deal. Flocke is making a deal too, and driving a hard bargain. You can get everything you ever wanted...but it wont be perfect. Of coruse, as with any theory, could we wrong, but something about that rings true to me. It just seems to fit in with actually making the sideways universe mean something to us, instead of just being the distraction it has appeared to be so far. Anway, I'd love to hear some real thoughts on this, if anyone has any other examples/thoughts on why this might or might not be true. Cheers
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I doubt the niece and nephew are important. <p> The symmetry of the last two episodes was clear though: <p> Jack / Sawyer <p> Lighthouse / Cave <p> Jacob / MIB <p> Aaron (?)/ David <p> Interesting outcomes too. Sawyer seems to side with MIB when tempted but we'll see. Jack on the other hand rejects the calling by smashing the mirrors, but again we'll see. MIB appears directly, Jacob through a conduit. Richard and Hurley seemed cast in similar roles for the purposes of those stories, trying to mediate Jack and Sawyer's beliefs about the island entities, with questions abounding as to how they can know what they know, what they can see and what they can't see. Regarding the flashback noises - someone surely has suggested it has to do with which sides are being taken, or who was watching their lives from a distance, or whether with the lighthouse or some other device in the cave, or which fate the character will soon decide for themselves, something like that. <p> Richard may be right that MIB wants to kill everyone on the island. But a bigger question might be what would happen then? Would some people be better off? Has Jacob deceived people? Does MIB kill everyone on the island and thus create the flash sideways? What happens if you die in the flash sideways? Interested to see how these strands reconcile now they are pulling into focus. <p> One thing I'm uncomfortable about regarding whether David does turn out to be important - surely they've introduced him (in child form at least) at this late hour for a purpose - is what would it mean for him not to exist in the original time line? Could this be a way to hand wave why Walt was momentarily thought to have potential for something? <p> Good call all those who observed Aaron and David are both Christian's grandchildren. I know people are asking about Iliana as well as looking forward to Richard's episode, but the really big piece of the puzzle we're missing is what the deal is with Christian if you ask me. That and Aaron and the black and white stones have been there since very early days, so it's the link to understanding why these characters, on this island. The stuff with MIB and Jacob is going to be tied to our investment with the main characters through Christian, I would think, not Richard, cool as he is.
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Lost was firing on all cylinders last night, hope they keep the quality up for the final 10!
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week because the show sucks so bad. Oh wait, you'll be back just like you have after five seasons. Just go away. You hate the show, great, do something else with your life. Many of you have been complaining about this show for six years and you keep watching. That's really sad. Fing a hobby or a girlfriend.
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From the series finale.<p> Everybody will just sit down with a few Dharma beers and solve their issues with a honest conversation.
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Is actually Miles' father.<p> Because all japanese people look like each other, therefore they must be relatives.
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Actually the symmetry is looking a bit too neat for me. I would expect some reversals. <p> But assuming for the moment that a part of the big picture might be this struggle between two of Christian's grandchildren, it suggests there's something big coming when Jack and Claire are finally allowed to meet up again. <p> I have a feeling both sides are making dangerous choices. I think there's a third island power that knows better than MIB and Jacob. At every level the people we expect to know what's going on have been exposed to not know the entirety of their situation, so why expect this to be any different with Jacob and MIB? They've been around longer, have more control over what the island has to offer, but I bet they're just one more layer of mysteries being played off against the other. Ultimately surely it has to come back to the original characters. They will be key to what's going on, and what the destiny and the history of the island will be. <p> I like the idea of all these flashbacks and flash forwards and flash sideways and time jumps and consciousness jumps building to some conflict over destiny lost and destiny found. It has to do with science and faith and the characters make a decision and implement it.
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So not true. I STARTED to watch LOST because I had heard so much about it. But that was in between seasons 1 and 2. I continue to watch LOST because it's one of the most compelling hours of TV...ever. I love the process of waiting a week, watching each episode, and re-watching previous eps that now have greater relevance as new info is revealed. I don't want all the answers because it would mean the end of the show. You should be able to care about the characters even if later you feel tricked, just like Usual Suspects, Memento, The Sixth Sense, Impostor, Oldboy, and any other movie or story where you thought you were watching one thing until a critical reveal happens and you realize you've been rooting for the villain or whatever.
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so i only watch this show because is popular and i wanna avoid being spoiled? sure i come here where spoilers abound, accidental or not but yes, i'm trying to avoid them. and sure i have no DVR (and never will have one) and i dont buy shows i've never seen but yet i'm only watching to avoid and be "cool"? and here i thought i was watching because i liked it. the things you learn on the internets. :P
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That's one of the most sound theories I've heard in a while.
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Thanks to his ass kicking ways we can move on from the god forsaken Temple and get shit goin again!! Fuck Dogen and Kenny Powers brother, although Dogen started to become cool this ep, still we need to move along.
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I said this last week - no, two weeks ago - and you called me retarded :-)<p> See, there was a rhyme and reason to my speculation. I'm just two weeks faster on the draw than you are. ;-)
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I remember a lot of empty speculation about possible alte-verse meanings, and if you did say that, then I apologize. Mine is still mostly empty speculation, but I think this week, with the "bargains" and especialyl dogens story about his son, really tipped their hand in terms of where this is all going and what the other timeline means. And as I said, it doesn't fit perfectly because it, in no way, explains the sunken island. If you did say what I said somewhere in your theory two weeks ago, then kudos to you, no joke. I honestly have no recollection of that, and I shoulnd't have called you retarded. I just remember you coming out of nowhere and attacking me, and I didn't even understand why, so I've been ignoring you ever since. Two weeks ago I very well might have called that theory retarded though, since I don't think there was any indication of it, like there was this week. Until there is at least a bit of evidence on the show to support something...I don't usually put much stock in it. Apologies, but at least we are on the same page now I guess...it'll probably turn out we're both completely wrong anyway, ha
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Smoky is still running around making moves on the board after having Ben knife Jacob, so that wasn't the whole of his endgame, we're still seeing that play out on the island in 2007. The bomb coincided with getting everyone back from 1977 in time for this endgame, and Jacob has lost power but still has plays to make - touching the o6, Ilyana, the blonde boy etc. What people have been saying for weeks is it's possible that something yet to happen in 2007 is what causes the "reset" (for want of a better phrase.) Bit by bit we're seeing bigger hints. Smoky wants to go home. Smoky can offer anything you want. etc. Random thought - David is Smoky when he gets home. Probably won't be that, but it's a thought. Interesting Christian has a blonde child and a blonde grandchild, and a dark child and a dark grandchild. Christian has grey hair, I think. <p> I still think the Frozen Donkey Wheel needs explaining. Turning the Frozen Donkey wheel is what came of whatever was going on in the cabin, and it was also what started the time flashes at the time the o6 left the island. I think the Frozen Donkey Wheel is a better "explanation" of the island at the bottom of the sea than the bomb is. Now at whose hand and when is another matter. But now we have seen different realities I question what exactly happened at the end of season four when the island "moved". We never spent time in 2004 on the island to explain that. The flashes started. Claire, Smoky, Richard, Jacob and Christian are the characters who can fill in the 2004-2007 original time line and it's conspicuous that they haven't, IMHO. <p> Another thought about the bomb is that it was very much Daniel's story, before Jack, Sawyer and Juliet. So the significance of the bomb in terms of character fall out we have seen. But the significance of the bomb in terms of island mythology - I don't think we've seen yet. I think that will be explained through Desmond, Daniel, Eloise, Widmore etc - which is the HUGE bit of the meta-structure that we're missing at the moment. <p> But the endgame between MIB and Jacob is still playing out in 2007 on the island, so I bet that's what causes the flash sideways. The bomb feeds into it but is only one element. People have been saying this for weeks and weeks. But we now have details such as Smoky wants to go home, and can offer people things which seem impossible, etc. <p> What's interesting is it colours Richard's fears that MIB wants everyone on the island dead with richer nuance. Is dead really dead?
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and I don't mean Juliet's mammaries. And don't give Emilie a hard time. She's no quantum physicist, but no Paris either. And either way, Miles was right.
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Would really LOVE it if Dogen rose from the water like an avenging zombie. But if Dogen rises, Lennon would prob'y too, and I see no need for that.<P> It would add weight to Kate's character and explain some of her motivation if she stayed with with Fakelocke's camp, but his glance at her shows that he knows she hasn't bought what he's selling, and he knows it.
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redundancy, there's not enough of it
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Yeah, but I think he knows it.
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Why DIDN'T they have a contingency plan (i.e. sonic fence) in case Jacob AND Dogen were killed? On the one hand, I can see that. On the other, you have to think that they found it extremely unlikely that a kinda/sorta godlike Jacob and incredibly skilled martial artist and obviously special in other mystic as-of-yet-unexplained ways Dogen dying rapid-fire before they found a second fail-safe device was probably unlikely. Of course, that in fact happened, and in a pretty believable fashion (MIB not-Locke setting up the "loophole" w/ Ben and then convincing Sayid to take out the last remaining barrier to him entering the temple).<p><p>In their defense, they couldn't build a fence everywhere super-fast, and maybe they had not planned on holding out at the temple until recently and were doing the best they could. Besides, even if they had the fence, Sayid could have just turned it off after taking out Dogen and Lennon, so I do not see that as making any difference in the grand scheme of things. At most, it would have bought them a very small extra bit of time. I think having Jacob AND Dogen was, at least in a way, having the suspenders and belt. Good observations though.<p><p>I also wonder if, on some level, Jacob will have caused this intentionally. He seems kind of omniscient and omnipresent, so it may be possible he knew about the "dark water" and there might be hope that Sayid was right and he really IS a good person and can overcome the effects of the "infection" and the temptation to stay on MIB's side. Or maybe he is irredeemable. That WAS a pretty dark path he started walking down. Still, how much loyalty does he have to Jack and his friends (as opposed to the two guys who tortured and tried to kill him, or the Locke-alike that he knows is using him)?<p><p>-Cheers
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Sayid pulling bad-ass in the kitchen! Expected him to tell Keamy,"I was a torturer in the Republican Guard, dumbass! Maybe you should be more careful who you abduct next time!"<P> BLAM!<P> "next time, ha-ha! I should say sideways-time!"<P> *poom*
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When he was talking to Jacob, it made it seem like he was the opposite of Jacob. Jacob was the Island's protector. However, sometimes Smokey judged people on the island and gave them a chance not to die. I.e.-He killed Mr. Ecko after Mr. Ecko refused to repent. He looked John Locke in the eye, knowing that he would eventually use him. And like someone earlier said, who was in the Cabin when Locke and Ben visited it? The circle around it would presume that Smokey was trapped, but that obviously wasn't the case. I just wonder if they will address these things or if they will just remain holes in the plot...
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Those who were tainted but would NEVER side with him. Ekko was on the path to redemption, and wouldn't or couldn't be used as a pawn.
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Nadia isn't the only woman that Sayid loved who died in his arms. Shannon also died in his arms. It seems in his Flash Sideways he doesn't get Nadia. Maybe...
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None of those things are plot holes imo. I can explain all of them. Smoke Monster, even though he is evil, has to play by the "rules" (which aren't clear yet, but still apply). The best example is the pilot. The pilot was supposed to be Frank Lapidus. If Lapidus had piloted 815, like he was meant to, he wouldnt have been killed by the monster, because he was meant to be there. Seth Norris had no business on the island, was allowed to be smoke-raped, and thus, was. Eko and Locke is less clear, but dicipherable, imo. The MiB was trying to decide who would be his loophole, Eko or Locke. They were both spirutual "leaders" on the island. He needed the one who was pure, and repentant, and would, in the end, be susceptible to his manipulations. Eko never gave in, he fought back, he wouldnt repent...he was chosen against. Locke became the pawn he now is, and Eko was allowed to go (this is all complicated and sped up by the fact that Eko wanted to leave the show, thus forcing them to choose against Eko). So that covers the monster. <p> The cabin, I think, was MiB trapped in there. Jacob had used it at one time, but had left, and someone trapped MiB in there. But, I don't think he really was trapped, because the ash line was broken (probbaly by claire, at one point or another, most likely under the infleunce of "Christian". So he could ocme and go as he pleased, but he was using the opportunity to pretend to be jacob, freak ben out, and convince locke that "jacob" needed his help, thus putting everything we are now seeing into motion. <p> So, in my opinion, none of those things are relaly plot holes. Just things you have to noodle out for yourself. The end of LOST is gonna be filled with lots of noodling. I firmly believe most things will make sense, if you work it on your own. Most of the details, like what you brought up, probably ownt be outright explained. Of course, these are just my theories and opinions, so take them as you will...but I think they satisfactorily explain a lot of your queries personally.
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1)Crow3711...yeah somethin like that. Towards the end yeah maybe they get to choose the island life or the flashsideways life. 2)Ben ain't dying next week. Too much invested to have him go so early in the last season. 3)If you think we've seen the last of the real Locke, you are a fool. And when he comes back, anyone think he'll be afraid anymore? Me neither. 4)Remember Ben was able to summon Smokey way back when. That control no longer possible? Probably not. 5)Bring on Desmond. Anyone out there think he's not the one on the way to the island? 6)Waiting on Charlotte, Hawking, Widmore, Walt, and Faraday. Walt I really could care less about though.
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but loved it, awesome episode, and its only episode 6. <p>
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Not only do I think that's a sound theory and one I pondered a few posts back but I think it goes back to Ben Linus' magic box from which, inexplicably, John Locke's father was produced. I completely forgot about it until now. It's a question the show never answered directly. How did John Locke's father and Sawyer's conman target get to the island? Did Ben's agents kidnap him by submarine? If so how come he doesn't remember anything...at all? Remember how Ben described "the box" as giving a man what he wants.
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only around for a short time, too short in my opinion, but he was as awesome as usual. <p> If you haven't seen Twilight Samurai/Tasogare Seibei, you should stop reading this right now and go and watch it, Sanada is brilliant, the movie is brilliant
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Nice list. But I guess I'm a fool, because I hope to god the real john locke is dead and gone. I know people want him back...but explain how to me. He is now, officially, dead for over a week, and now buried in the ground. Unless we get a ghostie locke in the final episodes to say a few choice words...I think he's done. It's much more powerful storytelling, imo, to let john locke be dead. Dead is Dead. But, of course, we will just have to wait and see. <p> On a side note, and this has nothing to do with my thinking we won't see him again, I think that because it makes sense to me, not because I don't like Locke as a character...but am I the only person who thought Locke is one of the most annoying characters on lost? I swear, I'm the only person who loves Jack, and finds locke infinitely more frustrating and annoyingly girlish. "I have a purpose and I'm a badass" (one minute) to "What's my purpose? Wha wha wha" over and over and over again. That was John Locke throughout the entire series. I know people liked him because he was the only one interested in the same things we were interested in (who ar these people? what is this place"=? what is my destiny?") but still...I just never found him so fascinating. He was a scared little boy who thought he had a destiny that turned out to be a joke. I find Jack a much more compelling character than that. But that's just me. I know.
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I still think its connected to the island and not smokey or jacob, but obviously smokey's comments tend to indicate that he could offer something. <p> Kind of like a genie, just not in a lamp.
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great little song and the comment from Miles "she is still hot", can't say I would agree, but probably been a while for Miles, a drought even. <p>
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I wonder if the MIB retains some aspect of whomever they possess or take the form of. It seems like Christian was MIB possessing him, but he still knew things and acted like Christian (calling Jack his son, how he was with and having an interest Jack & Claire, etc., etc.). They've also mentioned/alluded to there being some aspect of Locke in the MIB-version. So I wonder if those elements a/o the persona/spirit of Locke will eventually take over or have some impact.<p><p>That said, those are all just guesses, not terribly helpful at this point. -Cheers
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that moment of anticipation @ sundown in the temple was awesome! I was like man, I wouldnt want to be anywhere near there!
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the Kate one was average, Jack and Locke was very good
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MIB vs Jacob - is it necessarily two opposite island forces competing here, so much as two men with very different views, who happened to become embroiled in the island mythos after their enmity started? <p> Might they have contemporaries who watched and did nothing, or who left the island etc? The black and the white may be open to interpretation, this is just the current hegemony. They seem to know about rules and duties, so perhaps their personal struggle is in conflict with the more natural oppositional balance of the island entities which they have come to represent, and they have to play at getting round this to carry on their ideological or personal feud - which they're just stubborn about, and others would think is stupid. What I mean is it might not be that the Black Smoke is naturally antagonistic to whatever Jacob is - MIB just doesn't like him. And Jacob isn't necessarily the White Smoke, he might be something else. But there might in fact be a White Smoke, and that struggles going on, but MIB, or Jacob, are less personally invested in it, but they diligently attend to it as island business, because that's the role they have been given - probably because of being stuck on the island for so long playing out their disagreements. So if they are stuck in this perpetual loop, as some have theorised, it may not be this grand Good vs Evil thing after all. <p> For instance, say Sawyer blames Jack for Juliet's death, and Jack and Sawyer take on island powers. In two thousand years time, we crash on the island, and get told a story about how Jack is a hero and Sawyer is a villain and it's this almighty struggle on the island between good and evil. Well, actually, no. It's just two stubborn guys who don't see eye to eye and have been shooting themselves in the foot for too long to help them selves. And they've got kind of pious about it and spout apocalyptic drivel because they've had a long time to dwell on things. Meanwhile Sawyer has to do all this black smoke shit that he doesn't really understand, but which someone told him he had to or it would be trouble, which is okay with him because it's a useful tool to help him fuck with Jack, and Jack has to do all this stuff some guy Jacob said needed doing in return for some nifty skills he can use to fuck with Sawyer. Meanwhile Kate rolled her eyes and went home, and Locke wandered off into the jungle to live out his days in peace. And now we've crashed on the island, Jack and Sawyer try to force us to take sides in their petty conflict resolution, which is actually pretty fucking dangerous by now because they've got too big for their boots and are neglecting their responsibilities in favour of fucking with each other. But if we're lucky, we'll just wander off and find Locke in the jungle, who can explain what a load of nonsense it is, and help us get a boat home. But not before a couple of us take sides and end up perpetuating the whole mess when they get left behind, even when Jack and Sawyer figure out a way to kill each other and the whole thing should be over.<p> Meanwhile it turns out the black smoke is a nifty bit of technology for raking the leaves in the jungle while looking at your old photograph albums, and "Jacob" is the brand name of this telephone that lets you talk to your ancestors. And you've got to rake the leaves because otherwise the island will get depressed and sink to the bottom of the ocean, and you've got to talk to your dead relatives or they'll get grumpy and start whispering angrily. But Jack and Sawyer have been too busy fighting to care about that, making it a bit of a shitty place for a holiday. <p> Obviously that's not what it will be, but are the men and the magic/technology we associate with them actually separate entities here, with different and contradictory relationships between their roles and who they are? Do Jacob and MIB need replacing with more responsible people who know what the fuck they're doing?
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I don't know if any of you non-intellectuals were paying attention. But Sayid and Smokie were talking, Smokie promised that he could make a way for Sayid to see Nadia again. Lo and behold, in alternate timeline Sayid bumps into Nadia and is given a second chance. This has thus led me to conclude that what many have speculated is right: The Alternate timeline is the end of Lost. Something happens on the island that pushes them to the alternate reality. Everything smokie has been promising people HAS been occuring off island. Claire & Her baby reunited? Smokie promised her that - and it happens OFF island. Jack getting a chance to fix his daddy issues? Just turns out he has a son off the island now. And Finally Sayid visiting Nadia. Promised on the island -- happened off the island. Flash-Sideways == Lost Ending.
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Opening of this season, others in temple lock it down. Pooring ash all round, barriades up etc etc... yet smocke just stroles in.....this was the best show on TV, ever...and is going down in a ball of fire this season...such a shame....it has lost all its magic...
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Who are the only ones Jacob came to after the 1997 incident... Hurly and Illana! <br> Jacob, brought the Guitar Case which sets up Sayid to be put into the water, when the water is not clear anymore. <Br> Illana brings Sayid to the Island. <Br> Post 1997 Jacob was the MIB!<Br> He wanted Sayid to be put into the water and have Illana bring Sayid back for him to kill Dogan! <br> Post 1997 off island is still in the Island Universe and not the flash Sideways Universe and not the Flash Backwards universe where we see the real Jacob touch the people he wanted to come to the island. <br> <br> <Br> BOOYA! What do you all think?!
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that would be an interesting twist except Ilyana said the other week that MIB can't switch identities after killing Jacob. <p> who knows if she's right though. Jacob dying seems to have changed the rules a bit but we haven't been told how.
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Well actually she just said he's stuck as Locke, not that it's because of Jacob's dying, although that seems the most likely possibility, because he was able to appear to Ben as Alex not long ago, and Jacob dying seems to be the most significant even that could play on island powers.
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Interesting ...
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Because Jacob told them to take Sayid to the temple. And then gave them the necessary information to assure they gave him the healing bath in the temple.<br><br> And he gave Hurley the guitar way in advance. So he had to know Sayid was going to end up killing Dogen and Lennon. So Jacob wanted them killed?<br><br> I think Jacob is playing chess against the MIB, and that's all this is. Who lives and who dies doesn't really matter to either of them.
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It sounds a bit complicated and would need massive exposition to pay off I'm not sure what. <p> My initial reaction is to ask how can MIB do this when everyone seems to believe he's been trapped for some time.
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I've been a member for 40 years and 10 weeks. So, I apparently signed up when I was 9 months old?
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That's why Smokey was able to get in
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That's why Smokey was able to get in
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I swear it's like some people aren't even listening to the dialogue anymore. As to why the ash lost it's power now that dogen is dead...we don't know. He had a job we don't fully understand. But it was made clear smokey was being kept back by the ash when he sent Claire in, sayid went in and killed dogen, dogen was "the only thing keeping him out", dogen is dead, ash no longer works, smokie enters. Realy not that complicated BTVS2000. Try paying attention next time
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worse then season 3. The flash sideways are killing the momentum. I was hoping that by season 6 it would only be on island story since we have shortened seasons. They could have done this in two great episodes of reveals instead padding out 6 of them. What was the whole point of the Temple if most of the people didn't want to be there and held no real significnace to MIB?
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I don't get the haterz, but fuck them. I enjoyed that shit, and there was clearly a lot of forward movement last night. Again, as discussed by lagomorph and I earlier yesterday, I think this episode moved further towards confirming that the S6 off-island events are not an alternate universe, but instead a false reality created to "fulfill their wishes" but trap the Losties, perhaps forever? I think there will be an event in the next few episodes where Smokie will somehow trap them in the false reality while he wreaks havoc. Jack will be the one to realize (as he has already started to) that it is fake, that nothing in the LA X-verse is real. He might convince the main Losties of this and they break free, returning and going to war against Smokie. As Crow said, similar to a deal with the devil, they seem to be getting what they asked for, but not in the exact way they would want. Oh, and Sayid is a bad muthfucka.
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was prob'y just brushed aside by Sayid, giving fakelocke free access. They don't have to show us every little thing. We are s'posed to be smart enough to connect the dots. (see Sopranos)
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of the baseball hitting the floor. Dogen knew it was an omen. Too bad the writers agreed to put an enddate on the series, or Dogen might have gotten a whole episode.
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The MIB wants out of this Timeline. Everything off island, prior to the flash sideways was still being affected by the Island. <br> Which means, the MIB was freely able to travel the world in the pre-flashsideways timeline.<br> <br> MIB pretended to be Jacob to have Sayid kill Dogan. Which was to pretend to be Jacob/Jack's Dad, to affect Illana, Hurley and Locke when he fell down the well and was told that he would have to die. <br> Either that, or MIB and Jacob are playing a game of Chess and the Pawns are starting to fall as we speak.
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...I'm guessing Jacob, or someone higher up, seeing that all has failed, has to reset the clock in order to save the Losties (since most will probably be dead by the end). How the island is sunk and how everyone's lives in the real world are so different remains to be seen. If the flash sideways is really how things would be if Jacob had not been directing them early on, then why are there some unexplained marks on Jack's body?
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You really need to be watching movies if this is bothering you that much. They're done in three hours tops and you never have to wait to find out how it ends. Each hour of TV has to develop a single story that ALSO ties into the larger narrative. Which every almost every episode has done.
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at the point of laughing now at the "this season is dragging" comments, just can't take them serious. <p> Especially after the last ep. <p> This season so far has been very well paced and is kicking ass. <p> I had some concerns it may go the way of BSG, so far it hasn't so far it seems like a season with purpose and these guys know what their doing.
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But MIB wasn't able to freely travel.
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Don't get me wrong..I think Locke is a whiny girly man as well. I just think this is one possible route we are headed to. Having him killed by Ben just like that (not to mention off the island) just seems....uneventful for a main character such as he.
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Anyone else pick up on the "died in my arms" thing? Shannon also died in Sayid's arms.........
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In my opinion. An ignominious end for someone we believed important and prolific for 5 seasons. That's what make it so awesome IMO. Most shows don't have the balls to do something like that. It makes locked journey complete. He was a pawn. I like that. It's dark and sad and full of irony. Good writing
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Hadn't thought of it that way. We shall see...