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Bill Murray Unloads About GHOSTBUSTERS III On LETTERMAN!!

Published at: March 2, 2010, 3:08 a.m. CST

I am – Hercules!!
David Letterman’s taping with Bill Murray just concluded, and a longtime friend of AICN who happened to be in the audience said Murray had things to say about “Ghostbusters III”:
He confirms they kill him in the beginning.
So while Peter Venkman indeed ends up a ghost in the proposed movie, he’s alive when it starts.
[Murray] doesn’t believe the movie will get made.
When I asked if Murray sounded serious about “Ghostbusters III” not getting made, I got this:
Yes. It was a "I'll believe it when I see it" tone.
Murray is on crutches tonight thanks to a skiing mishap but apparently put in another stellar talk-show performance.
He enjoyed doing the video game and told a great story about it.

11:35 p.m. Monday. CBS.
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  • March 1, 2010, 3:49 p.m. CST

    Bill Murray needs to eat

    by Philvis

    Make GBIII already!

  • March 1, 2010, 3:50 p.m. CST

    What was the second one like?

    by rosasaks

    I don't think I've even seen it.

  • March 1, 2010, 3:51 p.m. CST

    2nd one

    by Philvis

    It had the painting that became alive and the walking Statue of Liberty because of the ectoplasm that could move with noise.

  • March 1, 2010, 3:52 p.m. CST

    Gotta be better than Part 2...

    by Nuking the Fridge

    Ghostbusters 3 will happen. No too cool about seeing Peter Venkman get offed, but in the end it may be funny.

  • March 1, 2010, 3:52 p.m. CST

    If they kill Venkman then they can forget it

    by alan_poon

    I'd rather it was Ackroyd to be honest.

  • March 1, 2010, 3:54 p.m. CST

    Bill Murray

    by Dharma4

    ...Is a Comedic god. I'm glad he and Rick Moranis aren't forcing any sequels to happen and then turn out crap. Although with YEAR ONE, it's a sign that Ramis and those other two screenwriters (Lee E. and some other dude) have to GTFO from Ghostbusters III. Later.

  • March 1, 2010, 3:54 p.m. CST

    Murray may get offed early...

    by Jared

    But that doesn't mean he won't be in most of the movie as a ghost.

  • March 1, 2010, 4:02 p.m. CST

    Why kill off the only actor who is still relevant?

    by SirGaryColeman

    I wonder if Murray didn't want to be in it and the only way they could get him was to give him a limited role.

  • March 1, 2010, 4:04 p.m. CST

    First an evil clown zombie in Zombieland (spoiler)

    by seppukudkurosawa

    and now a ghost in this... Please don't ever actually die, Bill! That would be most uncool of you.

  • March 1, 2010, 4:05 p.m. CST

    Listen...

    by TheUmpireStrokesBach

    ...do you smell something?

  • March 1, 2010, 4:09 p.m. CST

    Wait a minute..

    by REVENGE_of_FETT

    So this is just more wishful thinking bullshit like that retarded-assed Ghostbusters Go To Hell crap Akroyd thought up a decade ago?

  • March 1, 2010, 4:09 p.m. CST

    "Why kill off the only actor who is still relevant?"

    by Hercules

    It's Ghostbusters. Just because Venkman's dead doesn't mean he'll no longer be central to the franchise.

  • March 1, 2010, 4:10 p.m. CST

    call it fate...

    by imagegod

    call it luck, call it karmaaaa <p> hmmm better not make this film. everyone is too old and unfunny, aside from Murray.

  • March 1, 2010, 4:14 p.m. CST

    I'm out

    by Charlie_Allnut

    The original was awesome (one of my childhood favorites) and stands the test of time due to a unique story, great chemistry between a very talented group of comedic actors at their comedic peak working off a terrific script. A key aspect of what was so great about the movie was Bill Murray as the unlikely wisecracking hero...while all the other elements that led to GB success were very important...I am convinced that Bill Murray was the key its greatness. With that said if GB 3 involves Bill getting killed off early on I'm very doubtful that this will work...Bill as the burned out former GB who now has a cushy research job were he still bangs hot college chicks, is called back into action to guide a fresh crew of ghostbusting scientists in a battle against a new outbreak of the undead and I'm in. Bill Murray dead and as a background comic relief ghost and I'm out.

  • March 1, 2010, 4:14 p.m. CST

    Couple of thoughts...

    by yourSTEPDADDY

    ...As a child i was always scared in part two when Akroyd turned into that ghost master or whatever... all this news of Venkman but what bout the other three busters? come on, show E Hud some love!... and will Venkman death be funny or scary or sad?

  • March 1, 2010, 4:15 p.m. CST

    And will there be ghost fellatio?

    by yourSTEPDADDY

  • March 1, 2010, 4:16 p.m. CST

    Will Bobby Brown make a new song?

    by yourSTEPDADDY

  • March 1, 2010, 4:17 p.m. CST

    What bout the secretary?

    by yourSTEPDADDY

  • March 1, 2010, 4:18 p.m. CST

    There are few things to look forward to in life...

    by The Dum Guy

    For me, getting to see a Ghostbusters 3 sits just below eating 2 pounds of lobster (with butter, lots of butter).

  • March 1, 2010, 4:19 p.m. CST

    Will they mention the siffy Ghost Hunters?

    by yourSTEPDADDY

  • March 1, 2010, 4:22 p.m. CST

    Yes, it's true...

    by TheUmpireStrokesBach

    ...this man has no dick.

  • March 1, 2010, 4:29 p.m. CST

    So Venkman is like a wise slimer?

    by jaysin420

    that's genius. But that's what they get for letting Ramis (after Year One) and the office writers (after the past 2 seasons) write a movie.

  • March 1, 2010, 4:29 p.m. CST

    To Me, Most of the Appeal is Venkman

    by Dave I

    As in his life, relationship with Weaver's character, the risks of the job. If he's already dead, the suspense (yeah, I know it's a comedy, but still) is kind of gone. He's dead. And the Murray/Weaver side bar would likely be over. Not that it's central to a Ghostbusters story, but I enjoyed their interactions and the implied hook-up. It seems that would kill that element of the story. I'm not sure I buy him hanging and being vital to the franchise around after death though, and I HATE when people "die" but come back (ala. the resurrection loophole device, unless you're Jesus that stuff should have some finality & gravity). I realize it's a fairly light-hearted work of fiction, and maybe it ends up being awesome, but death just gets trivialized a tad too much in media. I can't just suspend disbelief like that even in Ghostbusters.<p><p>Hopefully it works and turns out to be a great movie though. We likely won't know how good it is or isn't until it's already made and by then it's too late to change the heart of the story. I would much rather them take a chance and make something special than write the story I ask for on a message board comment tracker though, and it's not as if there have never been amazing protagonist-as-ghost types of stories.<p><p>-Cheers

  • March 1, 2010, 4:43 p.m. CST

    Tracy Morgan for the new guy.

    by davidwebb

    Discuss.

  • March 1, 2010, 4:44 p.m. CST

    Paul Rudd for the other new guy.

    by davidwebb

  • March 1, 2010, 4:45 p.m. CST

    "Bill Murray Unloads on Letterman"

    by umbral_shadow_

    I sure hope Letterman was wearing a raincoat when it happened.

  • March 1, 2010, 4:47 p.m. CST

    and Rainn Wilson for 'the smart guy'

    by davidwebb

  • March 1, 2010, 4:47 p.m. CST

    Sam Rockwell would fit this bill nicely too.

    by davidwebb

  • March 1, 2010, 4:48 p.m. CST

    Ray Perker Jr

    by deelzbub

    Is he still alive? Get him to write the theme!

  • March 1, 2010, 4:50 p.m. CST

    Ray Parker Jr

    by davidwebb

    currently performing the GB theme in British telephone ads. http:// tinyurl.com/ bcgtd3

  • March 1, 2010, 4:53 p.m. CST

    So he's Slimer?

    by Axl Z

    Seriously? The only real question this raises is why do some ghosts look human and some like Spudy Slimer? The library ghost looked normal but then you've got the Scolari Brothers who didn't.. I couldn't take a cartton Murray ghost just as I would except him like the library ghost looks... Hmmmmm

  • March 1, 2010, 4:54 p.m. CST

    Weekend At Venkmans..

    by Axl Z

    Zombie Venkman?

  • March 1, 2010, 5 p.m. CST

    Fuck this movie the fuck off!!!

    by Six Demon Bag

    The second film was a half assed victory lap 2 years too late...this will be a lot worse...<p> seriously you guys have learnt nothing!!! Indy 4 blues brothers 2000....abominations to the nth degree..

  • March 1, 2010, 5:03 p.m. CST

    I quite enjoyed the story from the video game

    by TheBitchuation

    It did a great job of tying in elements from the first movie. Sadly I don't think the 3rd movie's plot will be as good.

  • March 1, 2010, 5:04 p.m. CST

    Theme song

    by Joe Mannix Jr.

    Actually have Huey Lewis (bleh!) right it, then have Ray Parker Jr. rip it off as an original! Worked the first time.

  • March 1, 2010, 5:10 p.m. CST

    I call bullshit

    by Six Demon Bag

    Herc just trying to get us to not watch leno

  • March 1, 2010, 5:10 p.m. CST

    by MANNZILLA

  • March 1, 2010, 5:12 p.m. CST

    Axl Z

    by TheBitchuation

    I always thought that the ghosts appeared as representations of their personalities or their fellings in the moment. Slimer looks like a bulbous disgusting ball of mush because he was gluttonous. The librarian appeared as a kindly old woman, until you irked her then she morphed into something more monstrous. However I predict that Murray's ghost will end up looking something like the ghosts from The Frighteners, with a big whole in his abdomen or something.

  • March 1, 2010, 5:13 p.m. CST

    Dan Ackroid Is Vastly Underrated

    by MANNZILLA

    I dont know why he always gets second banana status to bill murray. I mean not only is he a phenominal actor but a seriously great writer. While I greatly admire murray i dont quite understand the level of adoration he gets at the expense of people like ackroid and others.

  • March 1, 2010, 5:14 p.m. CST

    Or with an arrow through his head cause he's a

    by TheBitchuation

    wise-ass. Either way, the whole Venkman ghost seems uninspired.

  • March 1, 2010, 5:15 p.m. CST

    Like it!

    by Axl Z

    Good reasoning there. I think that's something that needs to be answered but sadly won't. Maybe everyone gets to choose their firm when they crock kinda like Gozer?

  • March 1, 2010, 5:22 p.m. CST

    Here's a clip from tonight's eppy

    by Mike_D

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcJPBVW-iiM

  • March 1, 2010, 5:23 p.m. CST

    Ackroyd (and Ramis) USED to be great

    by jsarnold513

    But neither have done anything worth a damn in 20 years. Ackroyd's last interesting performance was in Grosse Pointe Blank and that was what... 11-12 years ago? Ramis has sucked for 20 years except for his cameo in Orange County. These two were once brilliant, but their track record has been VERY spotty since the 80s. Only Ernie Hudson and Bill Murray have been consistently good, and Hudson's career is kind of in the toilet these days.

  • March 1, 2010, 5:27 p.m. CST

    Said it before... this just sounds BAD

    by jsarnold513

    Hmm... let's kill off the most likeable, memorable, charismatic, and iconic character early on in a sequel that's 20 years too late.... Brilliant idea! <p> Is this still the godawful "ManHELLton" storyline where the Ghostbusters go to an all CGI cross between Manhattan and Hell and take on a Devil/Donald Trump impersonator? Is that retarded idea STILL in development??? It sounded about as cool as the Super Mario Bros. movie. I'm sure Dennis Hopper was being considered as the villain until his recent health problems. <p> Damn near half the talkbackers on here can throw out better pitches for a Ghostbusters 3 than that embarrassment...

  • March 1, 2010, 5:28 p.m. CST

    I haven't watched Letterman since I was a child...

    by Linguo_IS_Dead

    But I guess I'll have to now since Conan is no longer on.

  • March 1, 2010, 5:31 p.m. CST

    "Ramis USED to be great"

    by Hercules

    I got two words for you, junior: Benihana Christmas. <p>And Groundhog day came out 17 years ago.

  • March 1, 2010, 5:37 p.m. CST

    ray parker jnr was good in enemy territory

    by Waka_Flocka

  • March 1, 2010, 5:38 p.m. CST

    dumbasses

    by maxwell's hammer

    Why does everybody whine about 'killing off' Venkman? Its a Ghostbusters movie! Even if he's a ghost, he can still contribute to the plot!

  • March 1, 2010, 5:43 p.m. CST

    Give 'em a chance!

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLO0D

    Ramis and Ackroyd wouldn't be making this if they didn't have a lot of love for the franchise. Mark my words; this movie will be a lot of fun. And no matter how much or how little Bill Murray is in it, he'll steal the show every time he's on-screen and make the whole ride worth it.

  • March 1, 2010, 5:46 p.m. CST

    JettL

    by Soundblaster

    So, Bale's iteration of the Joker will have a Welsh accent?

  • I remember when GBII came out he wanted it to be called "The End of the Ghostbusters" or something like that. I recall thinking at the time had no interest in a sequel to GBI and wanted GBII to be the last. So my interpretation here is that Murray is being dragged back in (kicking and screaming) and his condition was that this movie would permanently end his character so he would not ever need to come back. How they talked him into voicing the GB video game is a mystery. Also Garfield....

  • March 1, 2010, 5:51 p.m. CST

    it was anger not noise that the ectoplasm

    by Waka_Flocka

    fed off

  • March 1, 2010, 5:55 p.m. CST

    I'll fall for it again. *shrugs shoulders*

    by MacReady452

    Murray doing comedy has earned my money.

  • March 1, 2010, 5:56 p.m. CST

    'Ghostbusters Go To Hell'

    by Soundblaster

    Anyone know if it made it the script/treatment stage? This blurb from Akroyd (via Cinema Blend) makes it sound interesting: "...and when we step out of the chamber, it looks just like New York — but it’s Hell. Everything’s gridlocked — no cars are moving, no vehicles are moving, and all the drivers are swearing at each other in different foreign languages. No two people speak the same language. It’s all the worst things about modern urban life, just magnified. And Heaven was across the George Washington Bridge in New Jersey — which was irony. The Ghostbusters had to make this journey from lower Manhattan to the George Washington Bridge.”

  • March 1, 2010, 6 p.m. CST

    JettL

    by Soundblaster

    So, if that's the case, I imagine Nolan is making it as some kind of alternate-reality sequel? Or, perhaps, a simple retcon?

  • March 1, 2010, 6:05 p.m. CST

    If venkman dies- will it be from all that secondary smoke?

    by mynamesdan

    ...the ghostbusters still smoke, right? <p> ..and ghosts are still luminescent muppets, right?

  • March 1, 2010, 6:10 p.m. CST

    Still skeptical

    by lochkray

    Ivan Reitman showed with Ghostbusters II and Evolution (essentially Ghostbusters with aliens and David Duchovany) that the Ghostbusters formula was lightning in a bottle. With all these rehashes of great movies from my childhood/youth being disappointments, I only expect this to be the same (Rocky Balboa being the exception that proves the rule). The idea of Venkman being a ghost sounds awful to me - so with an amazing amount of luck, it will surprise me and I will actually enjoy it. Gawd I miss the thrill of 1980s genre movies. OH, and on another not, JettL, you are still full of shit, and I'm stunned you haven't been banished from this site.

  • March 1, 2010, 6:13 p.m. CST

    TheBitchuation

    by JKrow21

    GB2 had that ghost jogger that looked like a regular man so the legal precedent is there.

  • March 1, 2010, 6:18 p.m. CST

    Luminescent Puppets

    by Soundblaster

    That's an aspect I really enjoy when watching the original Ghostbusters. Reitman used the same kind of superimposition techniques pioneered by George Melies in 1898. Those old compositing effects add an otherwordly, ghostly look to the film that today's CGI can't quite manage.

  • March 1, 2010, 6:21 p.m. CST

    TheUmpireStrokesBach

    by lucky slevin

    well played sir

  • March 1, 2010, 6:22 p.m. CST

    KILL OFF EGON FOR CRIMES AGAINST MOVIES

    by ISleptWithKathyBatesAndAllThatIGotWasThisStupidTalkbackName

    Have him tried by a court made up of ghost cavemen and then eaten by the ghost of Jack Black.

  • March 1, 2010, 6:23 p.m. CST

    COMING SOON! RAMIS' GHOST DAD 3: GHOST DAD DAY

    by ISleptWithKathyBatesAndAllThatIGotWasThisStupidTalkbackName

    It's in his career future.

  • March 1, 2010, 6:24 p.m. CST

    COMING SOON! RAMIS' ANALYZE MY CAREER

    by ISleptWithKathyBatesAndAllThatIGotWasThisStupidTalkbackName

    SUBTITLE:<p>AND SEE IF YOU KNOW WHERE IT WENT.

  • March 1, 2010, 6:25 p.m. CST

    I hope this doesn't get made.

    by AzulTool

    And, I hope I can find a time machine to go back to around '88, when I can hope GB II doesn't get made.

  • March 1, 2010, 6:27 p.m. CST

    GHOSTBUSERS 4: CHILDHOOD RAPE GHOST ATTACK

    by ISleptWithKathyBatesAndAllThatIGotWasThisStupidTalkbackName

    Harold Ramis says: "Anything Lucas and Spielberg can rape... i can rape better!"

  • March 1, 2010, 6:28 p.m. CST

    paul, sean and tracy

    by antonphd

    paul rudd, sean williams scott and tracy morgan. that's the new team. paul and sean had great chemistry in role models. i just saw cop out this weekend and while it's total crap the one redeeming part of the film is the chemisry between sean and tracy. tracy is hilarious with the right material and people to work off of.

  • March 1, 2010, 6:29 p.m. CST

    I'm haunted by the ghost of AICN's edit button

    by ISleptWithKathyBatesAndAllThatIGotWasThisStupidTalkbackName

    The one which rides around on a ghost bus, pursued by the Ghostbusers.

  • March 1, 2010, 6:38 p.m. CST

    Wow, the video game's one $19.99 these days.

    by Royston Lodge

    I might have to finally pick up a copy. I hope my PC is good enough to run the dang thing...

  • March 1, 2010, 6:39 p.m. CST

    Joker should kill himself in the next batman

    by TheJudger

    they could open the film it with his dead body hanging from his cell and something writing in blood that leads to the mystery of the riddler. His body could disapear on transit to the mourge, and he could become voice transmitions on phones tvs the radio the pa at a sporting event. Joker goes viral- and you never have to see him. All they need is a lifecast of leaders face for the cropse.

  • March 1, 2010, 6:45 p.m. CST

    Jensen Ackles as a Ghostbuster

    by SmokingRobot

    It's the only thing that could save this movie. We need a protagonist we give a shit about who isn't a burned-out actor coasting on their past glory. In other words, the entire cast of the first Ghostbuster movie.

  • March 1, 2010, 6:45 p.m. CST

    and i hope they never make it

    by ominus

    i love the two movies and i am sure i will hate the new one,because it is going to be terrible.so its better not to do it.

  • March 1, 2010, 6:46 p.m. CST

    They should cast Dave Chapelle as a Ghost Buster!

    by Ganymede3001

    He would be fucking hilarious in a role like this. Also, I hate the idea of them killing of the star character of the movie and turning him into a Ghost. That's fucking lame.

  • March 1, 2010, 6:52 p.m. CST

    Venkman better die via hooker!!!

    by br1947

    That's the way his character should go out, with a $5 hooker and a grin.

  • March 1, 2010, 6:58 p.m. CST

    JettL

    by cricklewood

    Bale DOESN'T have a Welsh accent. He's got a mid-atlantic English accent whaen he talks normally. I live in Wales and Bale aint's much of a natural sounding 'Taffy'. Therefore I think you're talking nonsense.

  • March 1, 2010, 6:58 p.m. CST

    If The Video Game Was Any Indication...

    by LaserPants

    Ghostbusters is a franchise best left dead. I love the original movie, but that's pretty much it. Don't ruin it.

  • March 1, 2010, 7 p.m. CST

    and SOD Charlie Hunnam...

    by cricklewood

    ...cast James Franco if you must cast anyone.

  • March 1, 2010, 7:08 p.m. CST

    "split screen technology"

    by ominus

    so the audience will be watching on the half silver screen the scenes with Batman,while on the other half,they will be watching the scenes with Joker? <p>wasnt this technology already invented for the Persuaders tv intro? <p>anyway tx for the news Jett.and since you mentioned it,how is your split personality going Jett? better or worse? i think worse

  • March 1, 2010, 7:09 p.m. CST

    Franco

    by cricklewood

    Remember - The Goblin character (as played by Franco)is gone now, with the new Spidey reboot on the way. Franco could do justice to Ledger's Joker, I'm sure. Anyway enough hijacking the GB3 thread! I say Bill Murray needs to get his head scanned in 3D so he can be a CGI ghost (buster) long after he pops his clogs.

  • March 1, 2010, 7:15 p.m. CST

    THOR IN IM2 !!

    by ominus

    http://tinyurl.com/ybwwv2g

  • March 1, 2010, 7:16 p.m. CST

    foreshadowing

    by jameskpolk

    As I have posted before, Venckman's death is foreshadowed in the original film-- first scene, Venckman's office door scrawled with the words "Burn in Hell Venckman" presumably by a disgruntled student. During the climactic scene Egon looks over to Venckman and says "See you on the other side Ray"...<br><br> Someone had this idea all along.

  • March 1, 2010, 7:19 p.m. CST

    so the black guy is not going to be in GB3?

    by ominus

    it figures

  • JettL is full of shit. <p> JettL is a liar. <p> Dont ask him for more details- I'm looking at you Soundwave. It only fuels his desire to keep up this charade.

  • March 1, 2010, 7:29 p.m. CST

    D.Vader

    by cricklewood

    Thanks for that - I've read Jett's posts for a long time, and they're a bit OTT.

  • March 1, 2010, 7:32 p.m. CST

    Wow jamespolk

    by JKrow21

    After 20+ years of watching these films I never noticed that joke.

  • March 1, 2010, 7:33 p.m. CST

    CHRISTIAN BALE IS SUPERMAN!

    by AzulTool

    wouldn't that be sumthin'.

  • March 1, 2010, 7:41 p.m. CST

    JackSlater4

    by cricklewood

    Okay, you've sold me on Hunnam! Nice one!

  • March 1, 2010, 7:46 p.m. CST

    Fuck that, Superman is Jon Hamm

    by br1947

  • March 1, 2010, 7:53 p.m. CST

    Cricklewood, no problem!

    by D.Vader

    Spread the knowledge. Let everyone else who may be led astray know the truth. Because knowing is half the battle, and he's tricked far too many people.

  • March 1, 2010, 7:53 p.m. CST

    Venkman was a hero to '80s kids

    by Chief Joseph

    If they seriously go that way, I'm out. There is no way to pull this kind of thing off without it being a real downer. Remember when Captain Kirk died or the Lone Gunman? And this is supposed to be a fucking comedy.

  • March 1, 2010, 7:56 p.m. CST

    Y so srs?

    by cricklewood

    http://tinyurl.com/yaoek4k

  • March 1, 2010, 7:57 p.m. CST

    Awww, The Lond Gunmen...

    by D.Vader

    What an ignominious way to go out.

  • March 1, 2010, 7:58 p.m. CST

    Ignominious is the wrong word

    by D.Vader

    Since The Lone Gunmen technically did save pple with their sacrificial deaths, right? It's just too bad no one would ever know. And poor Mulder, forced to wonder for years what cruel fate befell them.

  • March 1, 2010, 8:10 p.m. CST

    Bill seemed to have fun doing the videogame...

    by Billyeveryteen

    I don't think he hates GB as much as you all think.

  • March 1, 2010, 8:25 p.m. CST

    Bill just hates the fact that he is never going

    by ominus

    to win the Oscar Award.pity.

  • March 1, 2010, 8:37 p.m. CST

    HERCULES and KILLING peter Venkman

    by KHjLL

    So BILL MURRAY can play a ghost...the ghost and the ghostbusting side kick...Think if BILL MURRAY in SCROOGED had become one of the ghost I think it will be CLASSIC...

  • March 1, 2010, 8:41 p.m. CST

    I hope it does happen....

    by KHjLL

    ...........bot bot bot botdunt bunna bunna bunna na na..................budnenut benut dunna dunna bunna na na dunnanuna donat....................................can't wait............................bodatot dunnadandunt.........................................dana dananunt............ MEATBALLS is one of the reason I helped at a CAMP....

  • March 1, 2010, 9:07 p.m. CST

    JON HAMM IS SUPERMAN

    by LaserPants

    You know it, I know it, it's all that needs be said, and said again, until it comes true.

  • March 1, 2010, 10:06 p.m. CST

    Ghostbusters III is a no-win situation.

    by hank henshaw

    There is absolutely no way this movie can work: The original actors? Too old now. Replace them with a new ghostbusting crew? Horrible idea. Re-casting the original characters? Awful, almost blasphemy. The first movie is almost perfection, and Ghostbusters II was lame enough. Fans don't need a third. Oh, and I still think that "Venkman as a ghost" is Bill Murray's very tongue-in-cheek way of responding a question he has been asked hundreds of times during the past 20 years.

  • March 1, 2010, 10:07 p.m. CST

    I used to be annoyed by JettL, but now...

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    I just pity him. So sad really. Honestly, I feel sadder for this fuck than I do the Chileans. So fucking crazy. So, so, so, so fucking crazy.

  • March 1, 2010, 10:11 p.m. CST

    I had a feeling Hercules posted this story

    by Ribbons

    "Big news takes place on Leno's competition tonight!"

  • March 1, 2010, 10:14 p.m. CST

    if the movies about bringing him back than maybe ...

    by BEYONDTHUNDERDOME2GIRLS1CUPBILLCOSBY

  • March 1, 2010, 10:22 p.m. CST

    Hey hank Henshaw, They Made Inadiana Jones IV...

    by mansuper

    even though Harrison Ford was old, and that wor...oh wait, nevermind.

  • March 1, 2010, 10:30 p.m. CST

    OK Herc, Ramis has only sucked for 17 years...

    by jsarnold513

    Didn't see that episode of The Office you were referring to, but I'll take your word that it was good. So that means Ramis has directed a good episode of a TV show and also had what I thought was an amusing cameo in Orange County (and he was never really known as an actor). That's not really a "great" resume since Groundhog Day... <p> http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000601/

  • March 1, 2010, 10:35 p.m. CST

    PLEASE MAKE THIS!!!! PLEASE BE GREAT ONCE MORE

    by Mennen

  • March 1, 2010, 10:39 p.m. CST

    Put on Leno for a few seconds. Same shit!

    by Orionsangels

    They just took his 10pm set and made it over. The intro is as bland as ever.

  • March 1, 2010, 11:19 p.m. CST

    I just can't see how a dead Venkman would work very well

    by FeralAngel

    Maybe there's a clever twist or something, but man...just the idea totally bums me out and puts me off of seeing the film..and I'd really love to see a good Ghostbusters film, emphasis on "good". The thing is, while the GB films have a great premise that could stretch to allow new characters and situations, a lot of the first film's success did rest with the cast; we laughed at and cared about those guys. They were US, man, working a grungy nine-to-five job that was still a billion times cooler than anything our parents were doing (that's what made them "US"). I wanted to BE a Ghostbuster, even more than I wanted to be a Jedi. Hell I'd still love to be a Ghostbuster, to the point that I envy those numbnut Ghost Hunters even more than I pity them...sad. I'm just sad that way.

  • March 1, 2010, 11:21 p.m. CST

    "Technically"

    by The Winged Doucheman

    Great answer to the Ghostbusters II question.

  • March 1, 2010, 11:26 p.m. CST

    It Depends on HOW they Do It

    by cymbalta4thedevil

    We all know Bill Murray would rather do dramatic or wryly comic roles like LOST IN TRANSLATION or BROKEN FLOWERS these days.<br /><br /> If he HAS to come back for a Ghostbusters sequel, killing Venkman off EARLY could actually add some dramatic WEIGHT to the story. It could be the REASON Ray and Egon and Winston RETIRE and hand the torch to a younger generation.<br /><br /> And then, when the New Guys are comedic screwups for the rest of the movie, the old guys can ride to the rescue and Venkman can help them AS a Ghost. Done WELL it could actually be a poignant sendoff for the original cast. And it could still be FUNNY.<br /><br /> The new, wryly comedic Murray instead of the old slapsticky Murray. And Some Grumpy Old Ghostbusters dealing with today's comedy stars. That's a movie WORTH making if they do it RIGHT.

  • March 1, 2010, 11:26 p.m. CST

    "This is my nightmare."

    by The Winged Doucheman

    Bill does not seem enthused.

  • March 1, 2010, 11:46 p.m. CST

    This is gonna feel like Casper the movie

    by Orionsangels

    When the Dad comes back as a ghost.

  • March 1, 2010, 11:47 p.m. CST

    MURRAY WANTED TO BE KILLED OFF

    by reflecto

    He's been insisting on being killed at the beginning and playing a ghost for at least the past 20 years; I remember hearing about this plan for the script back in like '97. He doesn't want to do it at all, but that's his condition FOR doing it.

  • March 1, 2010, 11:51 p.m. CST

    Venkman croaks Banging new Buster Alyssa Milano

    by conspiracy

    MY sources tell me the Venkman character, now well into his Late Life crisis and eating the little blue pills for breakfast, lunch, and dinner; dies during a mid-interview session with recent hire Alyssa Milano.</p><p> Milano is being hired because after the collapse of the actual "Ghostbusting" business due to business WANTINH a resident ghost, the original busters have expanded into running a "Paranormal/reality" tv show, and Venkman thinks a little T&A will give them a leg up over the upstart "Ghost Hunters". Venkman strokes out on camera while mounted on this new hire and spend the rest of the film trying to convince her that "on the other side 60 is as good as 16".</p><p>Hilarity ensues.

  • March 1, 2010, 11:54 p.m. CST

    We can only hope they don't hire...

    by TheUmpireStrokesBach

    Janusz Kaminski.

  • March 1, 2010, 11:57 p.m. CST

    cymbalta

    by Darryl_Revok

    Wryly comic? Like "Zombieland"?

  • March 1, 2010, 11:59 p.m. CST

    Jon Hamm

    by Croweyes1121

    I love how the same people who want Hamm to play Superman are the ones who say Welling is too old.

  • March 2, 2010, 12:07 a.m. CST

    I liked Kylee (spl?) from extreme ghostbusters

    by Meadowe

    I thought she was pretty coo' too bad she'll never make the cut for a live aqtion version.

  • March 2, 2010, 12:16 a.m. CST

    Hamm & Buble (pronounced bubbly)

    by Meadowe

    Jon Hamm is imo an excellent choice, he did a great snl skit with Michael Buble, they had a funny@$$ Hamm & Buble (pronounced bubbly) restaurant that made me buy the episode on itunes.

  • March 2, 2010, 12:26 a.m. CST

    Croweyes1121

    by Kevin Bosch

    I want Jon Hamm to be Superman, and I have absolutely no opinion about Tom Welling... yet I'm the same... as those that do... is what you're saying?

  • March 2, 2010, 1:09 a.m. CST

    Let us talk about Cop Out, and...

    by The Dum Guy

    How it is neither about Cops, and/or anything about cops going out.

  • March 2, 2010, 1:15 a.m. CST

    Your new Ghostbusters cast

    by darthvedder81

    Bill Hader, Anna Faris, Rainn Wilson and Aziz Ansari. With John C. Reilly as a "freelance" Ghostbuster fanboy desperate to join the real group. Cameos from all the original cast but give Ackroyd or Ramis plenty of screentime as a Professor X/Ghostbuster guru type.

  • March 2, 2010, 1:16 a.m. CST

    Man after my own heart.....

    by theycallmemrtibbs

    Bill in is own way admitting the shitti-ness of Ghostbusters 2. Fuck doing a third film. I'm thankful for his performance in the first one.

  • March 2, 2010, 1:24 a.m. CST

    I agree with Jon Hamm as Superman!

    by Azlam Orlandu

    As long as it takes place in the late 30's.

  • March 2, 2010, 1:25 a.m. CST

    Discuss amunst ya'selves...

    by The Dum Guy

  • March 2, 2010, 2:27 a.m. CST

    Anna Faris for the Goth Chick!

    by DOGSOUP

    Otherwise fuck this, I'm reading a book.

  • March 2, 2010, 2:53 a.m. CST

    Seth Rogen is the new ghostbuster...

    by BatPsycho

    you all see it coming don't you?

  • March 2, 2010, 2:54 a.m. CST

    seppukudkurosawa, you spoiler!

    by Player_Two_has_entered_the_game

    You put spoiler in your title so anybody who doesn't want it spoiled doesn't read it and then see it's a spoiler. You dick!

  • Guess he should pick other roles to be in other than ones that could potentially franchise.

  • March 2, 2010, 4:05 a.m. CST

    The older Bill Murray gets...

    by Johnny Wishbone

    ...the more he sounds like a Muppet. And are you sure he didn't deliberately break his leg in order to get out making GHOST3USTERS?

  • March 2, 2010, 4:57 a.m. CST

    Jetters!

    by dude_gimme_tabs

    JettL is Supershadow. <p> Leave alone.

  • March 2, 2010, 5:06 a.m. CST

    I Never Said Welling Is Too Old

    by LaserPants

    He is a TERRIBLE actor though, and totally wrong for the part. If anything, he's too young, too boring, and completely without charisma. Jon Hamm IS Superman, on the other hand. Since it's been established it won't be an origin film, a 30-something Superman seems about right. He could even pull off a late20s Supes. If he's able to convincingly portray both a callow, vulnerable soldier and a bold, unstoppable ad exec with equal aplomb on Mad Men (aka the best show on tv), he could play Supes.

  • March 2, 2010, 5:09 a.m. CST

    his outfit is

    by AdzonVonMelk

    awesome! only a guy like him could wear this, that´s real coolness.

  • March 2, 2010, 5:48 a.m. CST

    is it going to be from the ghosts POV?

    by Potatino

    Something like umm all the ghostbusters become ghosts and something happens and the ghosts become the good guys trying to save the world and the new ghost busters are the evil bad guys trying to destroy the world? There's a possibility!

  • March 2, 2010, 5:58 a.m. CST

    Dude_gimme_tabs

    by jackalcack

    I totally agree. Called that one out ages ago. <p> If he isn't then he's either ripping off Supershadow's shtick or it's just a coincidence that there are two George Lucas obsessed delusional compulsive liars out there. <p> If Jett is Supershadow then his real name is Mickey Suttle, a 41 year old from California. On his myspace page he claims he is a consultant for Lucasfilm who earns over £250,000 a year!!!

  • March 2, 2010, 6:06 a.m. CST

    I share his scepticism.

    by V'Shael

    I don't think it will get made.

  • March 2, 2010, 6:58 a.m. CST

    Winston was the only one I cared about

    by sith_rising

    mostly just because he wasn't a scientist, didn't care about ghosts or the paranormal, and it was just a paycheck to him. but he eventually came to love the job. he was great.

  • March 2, 2010, 7:18 a.m. CST

    Agreed. Don`t kill Venkman,so that Murray won`t do the film.....

    by theDannerDaliel

    yes yes talkbackers, that`s what you want, and i stand by it also. .......

  • March 2, 2010, 7:28 a.m. CST

    Tracy Morgan

    by clupula

    If he's anywhere near the film, I won't be. If I hear Tracy Morgan paid for a ticket and saw the movie in a theatre, there's a chance I won't be seeing it. No Tracy Morgan.

  • March 2, 2010, 7:43 a.m. CST

    hoping SLIMER gets a bigger role

    by maxgod

  • March 2, 2010, 7:45 a.m. CST

    I'd laugh if it wasn't probably true:

    by cricklewood

    "If Jett is Supershadow then his real name is Mickey Suttle, a 41 year old from California. On his myspace page he claims he is a consultant for Lucasfilm who earns over £250,000 a year!!!" oh. my. gawd.

  • March 2, 2010, 7:46 a.m. CST

    Making Venkman a ghost....

    by BumLove

    ...is a result of Akroyd's desperate desire to be famous again. Murray said it in jest, and Akroyd so desperately needs a comeback that he is willing to use it as a plot point.

  • March 2, 2010, 7:53 a.m. CST

    GB3 is as close as you can get to a dead cert

    by judge dredds fresh undies

    for suckage, unless Paul WS Anderson were attached to direct and this come from one of those that actually likes GB2.

  • March 2, 2010, 7:58 a.m. CST

    Ghost

    by stvnhthr

    I think it is a fun twist to have Akroyd be a ghost. Akroyd could haunt Weaver and the tension could come from her wanting to move on, but loving a dead guy; a very funny dead guy. The third act could have Weaver sacrifice herself to save the other GB's and to be reunited with her true love. I think the tone could be similar to Always except not so sappy. Venkman could teach the next generation of Ghostbusters from beyond the grave. I think Akroyd loves the character of Dr. Venkman from what he says about doing the video game. If the movie happens his involvement will probably grow as he embraces getting back into the character.

  • March 2, 2010, 8 a.m. CST

    wtf stvnhthr... Akroyd?

    by turketron_2

    Bill Murray plays the character of Peter Venkman... Dan Akroyd is Ray Stanz.

  • March 2, 2010, 8:13 a.m. CST

    "Who ya gonna call..."

    by IH8HARRY

    Michael Bay

  • March 2, 2010, 8:53 a.m. CST

    If Bill Murray doesn't want to do another Ghost Busters

    by Snookeroo

    far be it from the fans to "force" him into making a few million bucks. <br><br>Get over it, indeed.

  • March 2, 2010, 9 a.m. CST

    stvnhthr,

    by theycallmemrtibbs

    STEP AWAY FROM THE COMPUTER YOUNGIN' AND DO YOUR HOMEWORK!!! <p> You have shown your age by successfully confusing Bill Murray with Dan Aykroyd... I know these guys are as old as dinosaurs but show the Murraysaurus Rex some respect!

  • March 2, 2010, 9:30 a.m. CST

    Piss on Murray, he's strikes me as smug anyway

    by MANNZILLA

    If he is holding up production then just write him out of it. Theres a million great actors out there that could replace him

  • March 2, 2010, 9:37 a.m. CST

    They should make him the main villain....

    by theycallmemrtibbs

    Along with a Gozer the Gozerian, they team up and wreck shit across dimensions

  • March 2, 2010, 9:37 a.m. CST

    JettL, dual roles in part 3

    by deelzbub

    Jackie Gleason = Smokey & the Bandit <P>You heard it here first

  • March 2, 2010, 10:32 a.m. CST

    David Cross as Egon's nephew

    by rodneyfaile

  • March 2, 2010, 10:46 a.m. CST

    JettL ?

    by V'Shael

    I thought that guy was claiming to be Jett Lucas or something? Son of George Lucas? <p> And hadn't that been disproved? <p> What's all this now about Mickey Suttle?

  • March 2, 2010, 10:55 a.m. CST

    Why bother without Bill Murray?

    by DARTH VOODOO

    Don't bother doing this film if Bill Murray has a cameo role.

  • March 2, 2010, 11:05 a.m. CST

    love bill murray..

    by dale dragon

    but Im surprised that he talked about the fun he had during recording the game.... he sounded like he phoned it in. All the rest of the voices were great though, had me laughing the whole game. First time Ackroyd has been funny in 15 years

  • March 2, 2010, 11:06 a.m. CST

    Murray has rights to the property

    by ominus

    and if i am not mistaken,they can not start the project without his final approval and participation.

  • March 2, 2010, 11:30 a.m. CST

    Have you checked his IMDB page?

    by Immortal_Fish

    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000195/<P>Sure, he's managed to stay active, but over the last 10-years his career has been a litter of bit roles and voiceacting. Nothing stands out as something he personally helped generate success, unless you count Garfield (and do you really want to?). The last movie of any relevance was Kingpin... in 1996!<P>You know he's steeped in irrelevancy when he takes a role where he plays on himself and critiques his own career; Zombieland. And I've been a fan of Bill's since Prechewed Charlie.

  • March 2, 2010, 11:43 a.m. CST

    Bill Murray not relevant?

    by rbatty024

    What about Steve Zissou, Broken Flowers and Lost in Translation? These are some of his finest performances of his career and they're all within the last decade. I believe he was nominated for an Oscar for Lost in Translation. Murray has proven himself to be a versatile actor because unlike other comedians who try to do serious films, he understands that you can bring humor to a "serious" role. He does not have to play a serial killer in order to prove himself.

  • March 2, 2010, 11:51 a.m. CST

    I HATE THIS! I HATE EVERYTHING! BILL MURRAY IS STUPID!

    by dr sauch

    Seriously, i have never met a human being who does not love bill murray. come the fuck on, ghostbusters 3 would be awesome and you all know it.

  • March 2, 2010, 12:02 p.m. CST

    Bill Murray acting dead is great....

    by Mr Polite

    He can do voice work for the rest of the film, they can make him into a reincarnated cgi cat, done.

  • March 2, 2010, 12:07 p.m. CST

    its always been a concept movie

    by djdrew5150

    The damn movie was supposed to have very different actors originally the original came out of leftfield if this reboot has any chance at success it has to mirror the tone of the first one. The game was good but get the franchise out of new york have it be in like philadelphia or dare i say La. As a way to limit or pahse out original cast. It has to break the mold something the sequel failed at miserably. venkman as a ghost for chrissakes!!! that would be a real boneheaded move dont kill any of them its a comedy a dead venkman wouldnt do the character any justice unless they did it as a plot device to answer questions about the afterlife which would be preachy and midicholorian like. Akroyd, Ramis, if your smart and reading talkbacks like you should or if you work for them take the concept back to a couple guys who are friends takin out a franchise and bust some heads in a spiritual sense of course. Ps: Tracey morgan is not funny, Seth rogen and jonah hill were geeks we can do better as far as suggestions Paul Rudd just because i can see him in the gear with the goggles and the cigarette.

  • March 2, 2010, 12:26 p.m. CST

    but seriously

    by djdrew5150

    Jonah Hill and Seth Rogen, both very funny actors just cant see them as busters Tracey Morgan like i said b4 is not funny he would hog the spotlight and take away to much from the group dynamic. I say throw in a chick like i hate to say kat denning or juno or allison hannigan(willow) or anna farris its their kids or students throw in that socrates dude from reaper, dude from chuck Zack Levey or whatever paul rudd really crazy one wouuld be simon pegg, Mos deff would be an intersting choice or charlie murphy just typing out loud.

  • March 2, 2010, 12:40 p.m. CST

    BTW Superman

    by djdrew5150

    reboot would be great if you had flashbacks (like Highlander)goin back to the 20's 30's 40's all the way to present day as a child college, starting at the Daily Planet crazy fights across the century showing his life in a death of supes scenario 3 hour epic extravaganza have different actors play different era superman could be cool and fresh take imo.

  • March 2, 2010, 1:07 p.m. CST

    He should make Groundhog day 2.

    by JohnWayneWasGay

    Bill rocks and anybody who says he don't is a homo.

  • March 2, 2010, 1:15 p.m. CST

    They should just let this one go

    by James_Camera_On

    Murray (whose attitude increasingly sucks) really doesn't want to do it; Ramis, Ackroyd, and Reitman are long past their prime; the whole thing is just going to be terribly painful for all concerned, the fans most of all. I wish I could say I believe in miracles, but I don't. It's not 1984 anymore. Let's move on.

  • March 2, 2010, 1:16 p.m. CST

    @ Revenge_of_fett

    by liono21

    first off, according to the news IVE heard, go to hell is the plot neway. at least if akroyd has his way. @yourstepdaddy have you SEEEEN zombieland? murray is STILL a god and im sure his death in GB III will be just as frakking hilarious

  • March 2, 2010, 1:18 p.m. CST

    idiocy

    by liono21

    chiefjoseph, read the GB comics. ALL of them died, went to hell, whooped some ghost ass and came back. it was funny as eff and im sure theyre gonna work venkmans death and relevancy to the plot out someway like that

  • March 2, 2010, 1:21 p.m. CST

    Why "Venkman as a Ghost" is a really bad idea.

    by Royston Lodge

    Back at university, one of my film classes focused on studying genres. The prof would pick two or three genres each semester and the class would analyze them to death.<p> One of the common themes of the course was how so many of the great movies blurred the lines between genres.<p> One of the examples the prof cited as evidence was Ghostbusters, because while it's a comedy, it's also a horror movie (ghosts) AND a sci-fi movie (proton packs and other high-tech doodads).<p> But then I said to myself, "ok self, so why did the Casper movie suck so bad? At first glance, it seems to follow the same formula of blurring comedy and horror and special fx, right?"<p> So I wrote an essay for the class that explored why Ghostbusters is awesome and the Casper movie sucks.<p> One of the big things I noticed was how, in Ghostbusters, we don't actually learn anything about who the ghosts were when they were alive. None of the ghosts in Ghostbusters have any lines. (The big villain at the end isn't a ghost, it's a god.)<p> They aren't "dead people". They're just "ghosts".<p> In contrast, Casper isn't just a "friendly ghost". He's a frikkin' dead boy.<p> "Ghosts" can be funny, but dead boys really are not funny. Dead boys are sad.<p> I think it's one of the big reasons that Ghostbusters 2 didn't work nearly as well. Adding the element of talking ghosts with actually histories as living people tipped the balance too far from "sci-fi/comedy" to "horror".<p> Not only does is big villain a ghost with a personal history and a speaking role, but there's also the scene with the ghostly Titanic showing up at the docks.<p> It injects just too much sad reality into the Ghostbusters formula for the movie to include "dead people" as opposed to "ghosts". If I think of them as "people", then it isn't nearly as funny when the guys zap 'em with their proton beams. Like, imagine if you knew Slimer had been a loving husband and father who was dearly missed by his family. He wouldn't be nearly as comedic a character.<p> Which brings us to a dead Peter Venkman. Not only does it violate the winning formula of the first movie where "ghosts" seem to have no relation to what they're lives were like when they were alive, but it's simply NOT FUNNY.<p> Ghostbusters is a COMEDY franchise. It's not even a "black comedy" franchise. The comedy is purely light.<p> Killing off Peter Venkman and bringing him back as a ghost might be dramatically interesting, but it is *NOT FUNNY*. (I wish there was a way to underline that)<p> It's SAD when cherished characters die. It's not comedy.

  • March 2, 2010, 1:34 p.m. CST

    Sorry Roy...

    by Billyeveryteen

    Watch "The Real Ghostbusters" cartoon show. Hilarious plots with talking "dead people", and bizzare situations for our heroes. If done right, dead Venkmen can be great.<p> GB2, however is a giant mountain of ass, and we are all correct to be deeply troubled.

  • March 2, 2010, 2:14 p.m. CST

    Royston

    by toadkillerdog

    Did you ever see a movie called Topper with Cary Grant? It is about a wealthy, fun loving and very likable couple who die in an automobile accident then come back to haunt a banker named Topper. It is a hilarious movie.<p> Jokes about dead people and ghosts have been around for as long as there have been dead people. That is a long time.<p> Funny is funny. Relating to dead people or ghosts that can be, macabre, gallows, or just broad stroked. But the key, is it must be entertaining. GBII was not funny. That had nothing to do with ghosts not being funny. <p> A ghostly Venkman could be hilarious, because you would have Murray released from the physical realm, able to wreak havoc. <p> Slimer was hysterical. It would not have mattered one bit if we knew his back story. He was just plain funny. <p>

  • March 2, 2010, 2:18 p.m. CST

    Ah, but I'd say the "rules" are different for a cartoon.

    by Royston Lodge

    I'd counter that a cartoon is all goofy and silly and primary colours and such. I think the psychological rules are different for live-action. It's similar to how The Simpsons could never get away with what they do if it was a live-action show.<p> After all, Casper as well is much more enjoyable in cartoon form.<p> I can also bring other examples where the horror/comedy genres are blurred that lend weight to my idea.<p> The Addams Family works, but when you think about it nobody ever actually dies. The family is a bunch of freaks who live in a creepy house. But Wednesday never actually succeeds at killing anybody, and dead relatives don't drop by for tea.<p> Tim Burton's Corpse Bride tries to dance across the horror/comedy divide, but at the end of the day it isn't a very funny movie. It's "visually interesting" and "darkly entertaining", but it isn't "funny".<p> You also have Beetlejuice, but then again we never learn what Beetlejuice was like when he was alive. The characters we know from their time amongst the living are Alec Baldwin and Geena Davis, but they aren't actually very comedic characters. Their characters are far more melancholy and sad.<p> At the end of the day, in the first movie we never had to think about WHY these ghosts never went to heaven (or wherever) and instead were hanging around New York City. They were like Star Wars' nameless Stormtroopers or Indiana Jones' cartoon Nazis. We never had to consider if the ghosts were "good" or "bad", or even if they were sapient and had free-will, because that way it was perfectly alright for the guys to unilaterally declare themselves judge, jury and jailer. In the first movie, the guys compare themselves to exterminators on more than one occasion, which of course puts the ghosts on the same level as rats and cockroaches.<p> Once you inject the idea of ghosts as "people", it brings up a whole bunch of cognitive dissonance that gets in the way of the comedy.<p> And if you have one of the main characters come back as a ghost, you've completely re-written the metaphysical, literary, and (dare I say) "moral" rules of the franchise.

  • March 2, 2010, 2:27 p.m. CST

    I think the ghost were always meant to be dead people.

    by hank henshaw

    Even Ray and Winston discuss about it: "dead rising from their graves". The librarian ghost certainly was a dead person. What I do agree with you, Royston, is that we never learned the backstories to any of those ghosts in the first movie, ghosts were single-minded and lacked a full personality; they may have had traits of what they were like when they were alive, but they didn't seem to have complex behaviours or speak, which kinda made them the haunting entities they were supposed to be. Having a wise-cracking dead Peter Venkman is not funny. Having ghosts behave as pests makes the Ghostbusters concept as paranormal exterminators work, if ghosts can reason then ghostbusting might end up looking cruel.

  • March 2, 2010, 2:37 p.m. CST

    Topper with Cary Grant proved likable ghosts can be funny

    by toadkillerdog

    The first part of the movie established a very loving and likable fun loving couple, who then die in an automobile accident. They are still fun loving and likable and decide to come haunt their banker - Topper. the movie was truly hysterical. <p> I think if you over analyze anything, you can convince yourself of anything. <p> Venkman ghost could be very funny. I disagree with killing the character - only on the grounds that it takes the physical Murray out of the movie, but I do think it could easily work with a metaphysical and hence unrestricted Murray.

  • March 2, 2010, 2:46 p.m. CST

    Please let this not feature any of the Apatow/Superbad

    by FamousEccles

    crowd of dicks or Will Ferrell (but just because he doesn't need to be in everything)

  • March 2, 2010, 2:46 p.m. CST

    Please let this not feature any of the Apatow/Superbad

    by FamousEccles

    crowd of dicks or Will Ferrell (but just because he doesn't need to be in everything)

  • March 2, 2010, 3:48 p.m. CST

    It was supposed to be Chris Rock & Chris Farley

    by CarmillaVonDoom

    Not sure who rounded out the rest of the cast for it, but anyone today will be an improvement. Hope they use a solid mix of practical and cgi.

  • March 2, 2010, 4:25 p.m. CST

    He's just fucking with everybody

    by Jeditemple

    If they dumped a truckload of money on his lawn, he'd do the movie. The so-called "death" is a reference to the Charleton Heston requirement for his movies. In other words, no more sequels after this. Heston did it in bunch of his movies, so he could move on to other roles.

  • March 2, 2010, 5:16 p.m. CST

    Hey Herc, where are the Leno ratings now? Why won't

    by Coughlins Laws

    you show everyone how Leno did against Letterman last night?

  • March 2, 2010, 6:06 p.m. CST

    Venkman ghost vs Established GB universe

    by finky089

    I need to start by saying that I'm going to throw GB2 aside for now b/c it's inferior to the original, which established the "rules" of the Gjhostbuster universe as we first encountered and loved it. <p> Now, to Royston's point, I don't think he means the problem is so much about whether a Venkman ghost can be "funny". Royston brings up a good point about the nature of ghosts in GB versus the idea of a Venkman ghost....which by the way is speculation on the fan's part. Murray has said he wants to be killed off in the first reel. Never said anythign about him being a ghost for the remainder. That was an extrapolation the fans took. I think Sigourney even ran with it, but I don't thin kMurray has once said he'll be a ghost. JUSt that he wants to only be in the 1st 25-33% of the film. If he were a ghost in the rest of the film, he'd still have to do more work on the movie, which would mean being in it for more than "the first reel." <p> Back to Royston's point in the next post

  • March 2, 2010, 6:15 p.m. CST

    part 2 - Venkman ghost vs Established GB universe

    by finky089

    In the original GB, the ghosts were akin to "pests" that needed specialized exterminators. You have the library ghost, but most all of the others we see on-screen are non-human creatures. Yeah, there's a mouldy skeleton driving a cab. but I'd argue it's still just the manifestation of a spirit, like a poltergeist. Not necessarily the ghost of a dead taxi driver. <p> Either way, having a Venkman ghost that was anything like the live version of Venkman would undermine the groundwork laid in the GB universe. Like Royston said, there aren't really any "good" ghosts in GB. Slimer gets tolerated by the end of the 2nd film, but again, that's mostly by Louis. I'm not even going to get into the argument about TRGB being canon or not. <p> Even if Venkman ended up being a ghost like "Nearly Headless Nick" from the HP series, that still seems like a departure from the phantoms previously seen in GB. <p> Now, all that said, I'd still be interested to see a Venkman ghost. Can't they just do another video game? Another movie now will never recapture everything that made the first film great. It just won't. <p> Do a huge re-release of the original instead. I'd love to see a remastered print on Imax. Who wouldn't? If we all want another GB film, why not just spend half or 1/3 of the cost and remaster the original for a hyped up re-release instead?

  • March 2, 2010, 6:28 p.m. CST

    Bill Murray is a douche

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    He thinks he is above this franchise and has an inflated sense of his own importance. The reason why he wasn't in much of the action in Ghostbusters 2 was because he forced rewrites of the script so he didn't have to be. He let Ramis at al. do the slime shit while he swanned about doing as little as possible and phoning it in. sure, he was funny once, but his dour schtick has worn thin.<p> Fuck 'im - in fact, fuck Ghostbusters 3. Sick of hearing about it. It's been dragged out long enough. Trash it; it will inevitably be crap, relying only on nostalgia to get by (ala Indy 4). If it was going to be made, it should have been made 10 years ago at least.

  • March 2, 2010, 7 p.m. CST

    Finky, I did not read it that way

    by toadkillerdog

    To me what Royston was saying is that a movie that combines genres - comedy, sci fi , & horror such as the case with GB, can only work if the audience does not know anything about the ghosts (horror) backstory. He uses the Casper example as well to show a flick that in his view did not work because it ostensibly was about a dead boy. His very words.<p> "It injects just too much sad reality into the Ghostbusters formula for the movie to include "dead people" as opposed to "ghosts". If I think of them as "people", then it isn't nearly as funny when the guys zap 'em with their proton beams. Like, imagine if you knew Slimer had been a loving husband and father who was dearly missed by his family. He wouldn't be nearly as comedic a character."<p> I contend that is not the case, and the example I gave was the movie Topper with Cary Grant. A comedy, which was hugely successful. In fact it spawned two sequels sans Grant. In that movie, we are introduced to a loving and very likable couple. The first third of the flick is about them. Then they suddenly die in a car crash. Their ghosts then come back to haunt their banker - Toppper.<p> It shows that just because you know a back story about the "dead" ghosts, in fact had seen them "alive", that you can still be highly entertained and find the movie and material very funny - when they die. <p> I am opposed to making Venkman a ghost, but not for the reasons that Royston lays out. I think if the character and situation are handled properly, then it will work. The "human looking" ghosts in the GB movies are rarely attacked, it is the slimer types mostly - and if Venkman is a ghost - and like you said that is pure speculation on our part, then it is doubtful he would be attacked, but he could get into some very funny situations.<p> In fact, what both you and Royston said about the antagonists is very true, that in both movies they were not in fact ghosts at all but some sort of 'evil' manifestation.

  • March 2, 2010, 7:20 p.m. CST

    RKDN

    by Soundblaster

    What's the date of earliest draft you've had access to? What's the date of the latest?

  • March 2, 2010, 7:41 p.m. CST

    So Herc didn't start a thread...

    by VitaminZ

    ...about Leno beating Letterman on his first night back? Wow, what a shock.

  • March 2, 2010, 8:48 p.m. CST

    VitaminZ

    by Burgundy82

    Oh, come on, man. Everyone knew that was going to happen. It was his first night back. Of course he was going to be in first. The real test is whether he can hold it beyond the first week. (P.S. He still didn't come close to Conan's debut.)

  • March 2, 2010, 9:03 p.m. CST

    Burgundy

    by VitaminZ

    I'm just pushing buttons. I could actually care less about either show. But Leno's comeback show was pretty strong for a guy who supposedly "used up all his goodwill" with the public. And Herc has been breathlessly reporting every bit of bad news for Leno that he can find for months. Suddenly he's not so vigilant reporting the latest on late night?

  • March 3, 2010, 12:32 a.m. CST

    liono21

    by Chief Joseph

    Haven't read the recent comics, but you said yourself that they come back to life at the end. If they went _that_ way with this, maybe it might work. But I don't think Murray wants to be brought back.

  • March 3, 2010, 4:35 a.m. CST

    GHOSTBUSTERS, GO TO HELL!

    by Jonnybgood

    See what i did there with the comma?

  • March 3, 2010, 6:43 a.m. CST

    Fuck You Murray

    by Jonnybgood

    You egotistical douche! If you don't want to be in it then fuck off!! And if your doing it just because you need the money at least have the decency to do it properly! Stop acting like your above the franchise, half your fans wouldn't even know who u are if it wasn't for ghostbusters! P.S GO FUCK URSELF

  • March 3, 2010, 2:41 p.m. CST

    Back stories of the ghosts.

    by JusticeSabre

    Actually, the video game that came out last year goes into length to explain the role of the librarian ghost and who exactly set off the events of the first movie and, to a degree, the second movie. <br> <br> Any new movie should be a fresh start, yet acknowledge the first 3 chapters. But also, it should explore the science behind ghosts a little more, as well as keep it rooted in a realistic setting.

  • March 3, 2010, 3:07 p.m. CST

    Back Story of the Ghosts?

    by orcus

    Orcus is ot a gamer but is interested on the backstory part. Care to expand?

  • March 3, 2010, 3:59 p.m. CST

    Orcus

    by Axl Z

    http://ghostbusters.wikia.com/wiki/Ghostbusters:_The_Video_Game#Major_Boss_Ghosts Try that, the game was really good, only downside was they killed Ecto One!

  • March 4, 2010, 7:45 a.m. CST

    NOOOO!!! Not Ecto One

    by orcus

    Orcus pours a 40 on the curb :(