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Bill Murray Unloads About GHOSTBUSTERS III On LETTERMAN!!
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David Letterman’s taping with Bill Murray just concluded, and a longtime friend of AICN who happened to be in the audience said Murray had things to say about “Ghostbusters III”:
He confirms they kill him in the beginning.
So while Peter Venkman indeed ends up a ghost in the proposed movie, he’s alive when it starts.
[Murray] doesn’t believe the movie will get made.
When I asked if Murray sounded serious about “Ghostbusters III” not getting made, I got this:
Yes. It was a "I'll believe it when I see it" tone.
Murray is on crutches tonight thanks to a skiing mishap but apparently put in another stellar talk-show performance.
He enjoyed doing the video game
and told a great story about it.
11:35 p.m. Monday. CBS.
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and told a great story about it.Readers Talkback
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Make GBIII already!
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I don't think I've even seen it.
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It had the painting that became alive and the walking Statue of Liberty because of the ectoplasm that could move with noise.
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Ghostbusters 3 will happen. No too cool about seeing Peter Venkman get offed, but in the end it may be funny.
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I'd rather it was Ackroyd to be honest.
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...Is a Comedic god. I'm glad he and Rick Moranis aren't forcing any sequels to happen and then turn out crap. Although with YEAR ONE, it's a sign that Ramis and those other two screenwriters (Lee E. and some other dude) have to GTFO from Ghostbusters III. Later.
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But that doesn't mean he won't be in most of the movie as a ghost.
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I wonder if Murray didn't want to be in it and the only way they could get him was to give him a limited role.
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and now a ghost in this... Please don't ever actually die, Bill! That would be most uncool of you.
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...do you smell something?
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So this is just more wishful thinking bullshit like that retarded-assed Ghostbusters Go To Hell crap Akroyd thought up a decade ago?
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It's Ghostbusters. Just because Venkman's dead doesn't mean he'll no longer be central to the franchise.
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call it luck, call it karmaaaa <p> hmmm better not make this film. everyone is too old and unfunny, aside from Murray.
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The original was awesome (one of my childhood favorites) and stands the test of time due to a unique story, great chemistry between a very talented group of comedic actors at their comedic peak working off a terrific script. A key aspect of what was so great about the movie was Bill Murray as the unlikely wisecracking hero...while all the other elements that led to GB success were very important...I am convinced that Bill Murray was the key its greatness. With that said if GB 3 involves Bill getting killed off early on I'm very doubtful that this will work...Bill as the burned out former GB who now has a cushy research job were he still bangs hot college chicks, is called back into action to guide a fresh crew of ghostbusting scientists in a battle against a new outbreak of the undead and I'm in. Bill Murray dead and as a background comic relief ghost and I'm out.
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...As a child i was always scared in part two when Akroyd turned into that ghost master or whatever... all this news of Venkman but what bout the other three busters? come on, show E Hud some love!... and will Venkman death be funny or scary or sad?
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For me, getting to see a Ghostbusters 3 sits just below eating 2 pounds of lobster (with butter, lots of butter).
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...this man has no dick.
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that's genius. But that's what they get for letting Ramis (after Year One) and the office writers (after the past 2 seasons) write a movie.
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As in his life, relationship with Weaver's character, the risks of the job. If he's already dead, the suspense (yeah, I know it's a comedy, but still) is kind of gone. He's dead. And the Murray/Weaver side bar would likely be over. Not that it's central to a Ghostbusters story, but I enjoyed their interactions and the implied hook-up. It seems that would kill that element of the story. I'm not sure I buy him hanging and being vital to the franchise around after death though, and I HATE when people "die" but come back (ala. the resurrection loophole device, unless you're Jesus that stuff should have some finality & gravity). I realize it's a fairly light-hearted work of fiction, and maybe it ends up being awesome, but death just gets trivialized a tad too much in media. I can't just suspend disbelief like that even in Ghostbusters.<p><p>Hopefully it works and turns out to be a great movie though. We likely won't know how good it is or isn't until it's already made and by then it's too late to change the heart of the story. I would much rather them take a chance and make something special than write the story I ask for on a message board comment tracker though, and it's not as if there have never been amazing protagonist-as-ghost types of stories.<p><p>-Cheers
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Discuss.
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I sure hope Letterman was wearing a raincoat when it happened.
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Is he still alive? Get him to write the theme!
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currently performing the GB theme in British telephone ads. http:// tinyurl.com/ bcgtd3
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Seriously? The only real question this raises is why do some ghosts look human and some like Spudy Slimer? The library ghost looked normal but then you've got the Scolari Brothers who didn't.. I couldn't take a cartton Murray ghost just as I would except him like the library ghost looks... Hmmmmm
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Zombie Venkman?
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The second film was a half assed victory lap 2 years too late...this will be a lot worse...<p> seriously you guys have learnt nothing!!! Indy 4 blues brothers 2000....abominations to the nth degree..
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It did a great job of tying in elements from the first movie. Sadly I don't think the 3rd movie's plot will be as good.
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Actually have Huey Lewis (bleh!) right it, then have Ray Parker Jr. rip it off as an original! Worked the first time.
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Herc just trying to get us to not watch leno
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I always thought that the ghosts appeared as representations of their personalities or their fellings in the moment. Slimer looks like a bulbous disgusting ball of mush because he was gluttonous. The librarian appeared as a kindly old woman, until you irked her then she morphed into something more monstrous. However I predict that Murray's ghost will end up looking something like the ghosts from The Frighteners, with a big whole in his abdomen or something.
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I dont know why he always gets second banana status to bill murray. I mean not only is he a phenominal actor but a seriously great writer. While I greatly admire murray i dont quite understand the level of adoration he gets at the expense of people like ackroid and others.
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wise-ass. Either way, the whole Venkman ghost seems uninspired.
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Good reasoning there. I think that's something that needs to be answered but sadly won't. Maybe everyone gets to choose their firm when they crock kinda like Gozer?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcJPBVW-iiM
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But neither have done anything worth a damn in 20 years. Ackroyd's last interesting performance was in Grosse Pointe Blank and that was what... 11-12 years ago? Ramis has sucked for 20 years except for his cameo in Orange County. These two were once brilliant, but their track record has been VERY spotty since the 80s. Only Ernie Hudson and Bill Murray have been consistently good, and Hudson's career is kind of in the toilet these days.
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Hmm... let's kill off the most likeable, memorable, charismatic, and iconic character early on in a sequel that's 20 years too late.... Brilliant idea! <p> Is this still the godawful "ManHELLton" storyline where the Ghostbusters go to an all CGI cross between Manhattan and Hell and take on a Devil/Donald Trump impersonator? Is that retarded idea STILL in development??? It sounded about as cool as the Super Mario Bros. movie. I'm sure Dennis Hopper was being considered as the villain until his recent health problems. <p> Damn near half the talkbackers on here can throw out better pitches for a Ghostbusters 3 than that embarrassment...
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But I guess I'll have to now since Conan is no longer on.
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I got two words for you, junior: Benihana Christmas. <p>And Groundhog day came out 17 years ago.
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Why does everybody whine about 'killing off' Venkman? Its a Ghostbusters movie! Even if he's a ghost, he can still contribute to the plot!
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Ramis and Ackroyd wouldn't be making this if they didn't have a lot of love for the franchise. Mark my words; this movie will be a lot of fun. And no matter how much or how little Bill Murray is in it, he'll steal the show every time he's on-screen and make the whole ride worth it.
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So, Bale's iteration of the Joker will have a Welsh accent?
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March 1, 2010, 5:46 p.m. CST
It's no secret. Bill Murray hates Ghostbusters (as a franchise)
by MapMan
I remember when GBII came out he wanted it to be called "The End of the Ghostbusters" or something like that. I recall thinking at the time had no interest in a sequel to GBI and wanted GBII to be the last. So my interpretation here is that Murray is being dragged back in (kicking and screaming) and his condition was that this movie would permanently end his character so he would not ever need to come back. How they talked him into voicing the GB video game is a mystery. Also Garfield....
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fed off
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Murray doing comedy has earned my money.
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Anyone know if it made it the script/treatment stage? This blurb from Akroyd (via Cinema Blend) makes it sound interesting: "...and when we step out of the chamber, it looks just like New York — but it’s Hell. Everything’s gridlocked — no cars are moving, no vehicles are moving, and all the drivers are swearing at each other in different foreign languages. No two people speak the same language. It’s all the worst things about modern urban life, just magnified. And Heaven was across the George Washington Bridge in New Jersey — which was irony. The Ghostbusters had to make this journey from lower Manhattan to the George Washington Bridge.”
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So, if that's the case, I imagine Nolan is making it as some kind of alternate-reality sequel? Or, perhaps, a simple retcon?
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March 1, 2010, 6:05 p.m. CST
If venkman dies- will it be from all that secondary smoke?
by mynamesdan
...the ghostbusters still smoke, right? <p> ..and ghosts are still luminescent muppets, right?
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Ivan Reitman showed with Ghostbusters II and Evolution (essentially Ghostbusters with aliens and David Duchovany) that the Ghostbusters formula was lightning in a bottle. With all these rehashes of great movies from my childhood/youth being disappointments, I only expect this to be the same (Rocky Balboa being the exception that proves the rule). The idea of Venkman being a ghost sounds awful to me - so with an amazing amount of luck, it will surprise me and I will actually enjoy it. Gawd I miss the thrill of 1980s genre movies. OH, and on another not, JettL, you are still full of shit, and I'm stunned you haven't been banished from this site.
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GB2 had that ghost jogger that looked like a regular man so the legal precedent is there.
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That's an aspect I really enjoy when watching the original Ghostbusters. Reitman used the same kind of superimposition techniques pioneered by George Melies in 1898. Those old compositing effects add an otherwordly, ghostly look to the film that today's CGI can't quite manage.
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well played sir
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March 1, 2010, 6:22 p.m. CST
KILL OFF EGON FOR CRIMES AGAINST MOVIES
by ISleptWithKathyBatesAndAllThatIGotWasThisStupidTalkbackName
Have him tried by a court made up of ghost cavemen and then eaten by the ghost of Jack Black.
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March 1, 2010, 6:23 p.m. CST
COMING SOON! RAMIS' GHOST DAD 3: GHOST DAD DAY
by ISleptWithKathyBatesAndAllThatIGotWasThisStupidTalkbackName
It's in his career future.
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March 1, 2010, 6:24 p.m. CST
COMING SOON! RAMIS' ANALYZE MY CAREER
by ISleptWithKathyBatesAndAllThatIGotWasThisStupidTalkbackName
SUBTITLE:<p>AND SEE IF YOU KNOW WHERE IT WENT.
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And, I hope I can find a time machine to go back to around '88, when I can hope GB II doesn't get made.
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March 1, 2010, 6:27 p.m. CST
GHOSTBUSERS 4: CHILDHOOD RAPE GHOST ATTACK
by ISleptWithKathyBatesAndAllThatIGotWasThisStupidTalkbackName
Harold Ramis says: "Anything Lucas and Spielberg can rape... i can rape better!"
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paul rudd, sean williams scott and tracy morgan. that's the new team. paul and sean had great chemistry in role models. i just saw cop out this weekend and while it's total crap the one redeeming part of the film is the chemisry between sean and tracy. tracy is hilarious with the right material and people to work off of.
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March 1, 2010, 6:29 p.m. CST
I'm haunted by the ghost of AICN's edit button
by ISleptWithKathyBatesAndAllThatIGotWasThisStupidTalkbackName
The one which rides around on a ghost bus, pursued by the Ghostbusers.
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I might have to finally pick up a copy. I hope my PC is good enough to run the dang thing...
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they could open the film it with his dead body hanging from his cell and something writing in blood that leads to the mystery of the riddler. His body could disapear on transit to the mourge, and he could become voice transmitions on phones tvs the radio the pa at a sporting event. Joker goes viral- and you never have to see him. All they need is a lifecast of leaders face for the cropse.
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It's the only thing that could save this movie. We need a protagonist we give a shit about who isn't a burned-out actor coasting on their past glory. In other words, the entire cast of the first Ghostbuster movie.
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i love the two movies and i am sure i will hate the new one,because it is going to be terrible.so its better not to do it.
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He would be fucking hilarious in a role like this. Also, I hate the idea of them killing of the star character of the movie and turning him into a Ghost. That's fucking lame.
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That's the way his character should go out, with a $5 hooker and a grin.
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Bale DOESN'T have a Welsh accent. He's got a mid-atlantic English accent whaen he talks normally. I live in Wales and Bale aint's much of a natural sounding 'Taffy'. Therefore I think you're talking nonsense.
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Ghostbusters is a franchise best left dead. I love the original movie, but that's pretty much it. Don't ruin it.
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...cast James Franco if you must cast anyone.
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so the audience will be watching on the half silver screen the scenes with Batman,while on the other half,they will be watching the scenes with Joker? <p>wasnt this technology already invented for the Persuaders tv intro? <p>anyway tx for the news Jett.and since you mentioned it,how is your split personality going Jett? better or worse? i think worse
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Remember - The Goblin character (as played by Franco)is gone now, with the new Spidey reboot on the way. Franco could do justice to Ledger's Joker, I'm sure. Anyway enough hijacking the GB3 thread! I say Bill Murray needs to get his head scanned in 3D so he can be a CGI ghost (buster) long after he pops his clogs.
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http://tinyurl.com/ybwwv2g
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As I have posted before, Venckman's death is foreshadowed in the original film-- first scene, Venckman's office door scrawled with the words "Burn in Hell Venckman" presumably by a disgruntled student. During the climactic scene Egon looks over to Venckman and says "See you on the other side Ray"...<br><br> Someone had this idea all along.
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it figures
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March 1, 2010, 7:27 p.m. CST
Jesus, JettL is full of shit for those of you who still don't kn
by D.Vader
JettL is full of shit. <p> JettL is a liar. <p> Dont ask him for more details- I'm looking at you Soundwave. It only fuels his desire to keep up this charade.
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Thanks for that - I've read Jett's posts for a long time, and they're a bit OTT.
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After 20+ years of watching these films I never noticed that joke.
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wouldn't that be sumthin'.
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Okay, you've sold me on Hunnam! Nice one!
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Spread the knowledge. Let everyone else who may be led astray know the truth. Because knowing is half the battle, and he's tricked far too many people.
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If they seriously go that way, I'm out. There is no way to pull this kind of thing off without it being a real downer. Remember when Captain Kirk died or the Lone Gunman? And this is supposed to be a fucking comedy.
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http://tinyurl.com/yaoek4k
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What an ignominious way to go out.
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Since The Lone Gunmen technically did save pple with their sacrificial deaths, right? It's just too bad no one would ever know. And poor Mulder, forced to wonder for years what cruel fate befell them.
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I don't think he hates GB as much as you all think.
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to win the Oscar Award.pity.
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So BILL MURRAY can play a ghost...the ghost and the ghostbusting side kick...Think if BILL MURRAY in SCROOGED had become one of the ghost I think it will be CLASSIC...
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March 1, 2010, 8:38 p.m. CST
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You know it, I know it, it's all that needs be said, and said again, until it comes true.
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There is absolutely no way this movie can work: The original actors? Too old now. Replace them with a new ghostbusting crew? Horrible idea. Re-casting the original characters? Awful, almost blasphemy. The first movie is almost perfection, and Ghostbusters II was lame enough. Fans don't need a third. Oh, and I still think that "Venkman as a ghost" is Bill Murray's very tongue-in-cheek way of responding a question he has been asked hundreds of times during the past 20 years.
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I just pity him. So sad really. Honestly, I feel sadder for this fuck than I do the Chileans. So fucking crazy. So, so, so, so fucking crazy.
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"Big news takes place on Leno's competition tonight!"
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March 1, 2010, 10:14 p.m. CST
if the movies about bringing him back than maybe ...
by BEYONDTHUNDERDOME2GIRLS1CUPBILLCOSBY
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even though Harrison Ford was old, and that wor...oh wait, nevermind.
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Didn't see that episode of The Office you were referring to, but I'll take your word that it was good. So that means Ramis has directed a good episode of a TV show and also had what I thought was an amusing cameo in Orange County (and he was never really known as an actor). That's not really a "great" resume since Groundhog Day... <p> http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000601/
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They just took his 10pm set and made it over. The intro is as bland as ever.
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March 1, 2010, 11:19 p.m. CST
I just can't see how a dead Venkman would work very well
by FeralAngel
Maybe there's a clever twist or something, but man...just the idea totally bums me out and puts me off of seeing the film..and I'd really love to see a good Ghostbusters film, emphasis on "good". The thing is, while the GB films have a great premise that could stretch to allow new characters and situations, a lot of the first film's success did rest with the cast; we laughed at and cared about those guys. They were US, man, working a grungy nine-to-five job that was still a billion times cooler than anything our parents were doing (that's what made them "US"). I wanted to BE a Ghostbuster, even more than I wanted to be a Jedi. Hell I'd still love to be a Ghostbuster, to the point that I envy those numbnut Ghost Hunters even more than I pity them...sad. I'm just sad that way.
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Great answer to the Ghostbusters II question.
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We all know Bill Murray would rather do dramatic or wryly comic roles like LOST IN TRANSLATION or BROKEN FLOWERS these days.<br /><br /> If he HAS to come back for a Ghostbusters sequel, killing Venkman off EARLY could actually add some dramatic WEIGHT to the story. It could be the REASON Ray and Egon and Winston RETIRE and hand the torch to a younger generation.<br /><br /> And then, when the New Guys are comedic screwups for the rest of the movie, the old guys can ride to the rescue and Venkman can help them AS a Ghost. Done WELL it could actually be a poignant sendoff for the original cast. And it could still be FUNNY.<br /><br /> The new, wryly comedic Murray instead of the old slapsticky Murray. And Some Grumpy Old Ghostbusters dealing with today's comedy stars. That's a movie WORTH making if they do it RIGHT.
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Bill does not seem enthused.
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When the Dad comes back as a ghost.
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He's been insisting on being killed at the beginning and playing a ghost for at least the past 20 years; I remember hearing about this plan for the script back in like '97. He doesn't want to do it at all, but that's his condition FOR doing it.
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MY sources tell me the Venkman character, now well into his Late Life crisis and eating the little blue pills for breakfast, lunch, and dinner; dies during a mid-interview session with recent hire Alyssa Milano.</p><p> Milano is being hired because after the collapse of the actual "Ghostbusting" business due to business WANTINH a resident ghost, the original busters have expanded into running a "Paranormal/reality" tv show, and Venkman thinks a little T&A will give them a leg up over the upstart "Ghost Hunters". Venkman strokes out on camera while mounted on this new hire and spend the rest of the film trying to convince her that "on the other side 60 is as good as 16".</p><p>Hilarity ensues.
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Janusz Kaminski.
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Wryly comic? Like "Zombieland"?
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I love how the same people who want Hamm to play Superman are the ones who say Welling is too old.
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I thought she was pretty coo' too bad she'll never make the cut for a live aqtion version.
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Jon Hamm is imo an excellent choice, he did a great snl skit with Michael Buble, they had a funny@$$ Hamm & Buble (pronounced bubbly) restaurant that made me buy the episode on itunes.
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I want Jon Hamm to be Superman, and I have absolutely no opinion about Tom Welling... yet I'm the same... as those that do... is what you're saying?
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How it is neither about Cops, and/or anything about cops going out.
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Bill Hader, Anna Faris, Rainn Wilson and Aziz Ansari. With John C. Reilly as a "freelance" Ghostbuster fanboy desperate to join the real group. Cameos from all the original cast but give Ackroyd or Ramis plenty of screentime as a Professor X/Ghostbuster guru type.
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Bill in is own way admitting the shitti-ness of Ghostbusters 2. Fuck doing a third film. I'm thankful for his performance in the first one.
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As long as it takes place in the late 30's.
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Otherwise fuck this, I'm reading a book.
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you all see it coming don't you?
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You put spoiler in your title so anybody who doesn't want it spoiled doesn't read it and then see it's a spoiler. You dick!
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March 2, 2010, 3:20 a.m. CST
I say do Murray a favor and kick his ass out of the franchise.
by Mike_D
Guess he should pick other roles to be in other than ones that could potentially franchise.
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...the more he sounds like a Muppet. And are you sure he didn't deliberately break his leg in order to get out making GHOST3USTERS?
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JettL is Supershadow. <p> Leave alone.
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He is a TERRIBLE actor though, and totally wrong for the part. If anything, he's too young, too boring, and completely without charisma. Jon Hamm IS Superman, on the other hand. Since it's been established it won't be an origin film, a 30-something Superman seems about right. He could even pull off a late20s Supes. If he's able to convincingly portray both a callow, vulnerable soldier and a bold, unstoppable ad exec with equal aplomb on Mad Men (aka the best show on tv), he could play Supes.
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awesome! only a guy like him could wear this, that´s real coolness.
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Something like umm all the ghostbusters become ghosts and something happens and the ghosts become the good guys trying to save the world and the new ghost busters are the evil bad guys trying to destroy the world? There's a possibility!
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I totally agree. Called that one out ages ago. <p> If he isn't then he's either ripping off Supershadow's shtick or it's just a coincidence that there are two George Lucas obsessed delusional compulsive liars out there. <p> If Jett is Supershadow then his real name is Mickey Suttle, a 41 year old from California. On his myspace page he claims he is a consultant for Lucasfilm who earns over £250,000 a year!!!
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I don't think it will get made.
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mostly just because he wasn't a scientist, didn't care about ghosts or the paranormal, and it was just a paycheck to him. but he eventually came to love the job. he was great.
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March 2, 2010, 7:18 a.m. CST
Agreed. Don`t kill Venkman,so that Murray won`t do the film.....
by theDannerDaliel
yes yes talkbackers, that`s what you want, and i stand by it also. .......
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If he's anywhere near the film, I won't be. If I hear Tracy Morgan paid for a ticket and saw the movie in a theatre, there's a chance I won't be seeing it. No Tracy Morgan.
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"If Jett is Supershadow then his real name is Mickey Suttle, a 41 year old from California. On his myspace page he claims he is a consultant for Lucasfilm who earns over £250,000 a year!!!" oh. my. gawd.
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...is a result of Akroyd's desperate desire to be famous again. Murray said it in jest, and Akroyd so desperately needs a comeback that he is willing to use it as a plot point.
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March 2, 2010, 7:53 a.m. CST
GB3 is as close as you can get to a dead cert
by judge dredds fresh undies
for suckage, unless Paul WS Anderson were attached to direct and this come from one of those that actually likes GB2.
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I think it is a fun twist to have Akroyd be a ghost. Akroyd could haunt Weaver and the tension could come from her wanting to move on, but loving a dead guy; a very funny dead guy. The third act could have Weaver sacrifice herself to save the other GB's and to be reunited with her true love. I think the tone could be similar to Always except not so sappy. Venkman could teach the next generation of Ghostbusters from beyond the grave. I think Akroyd loves the character of Dr. Venkman from what he says about doing the video game. If the movie happens his involvement will probably grow as he embraces getting back into the character.
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Bill Murray plays the character of Peter Venkman... Dan Akroyd is Ray Stanz.
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Michael Bay
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far be it from the fans to "force" him into making a few million bucks. <br><br>Get over it, indeed.
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STEP AWAY FROM THE COMPUTER YOUNGIN' AND DO YOUR HOMEWORK!!! <p> You have shown your age by successfully confusing Bill Murray with Dan Aykroyd... I know these guys are as old as dinosaurs but show the Murraysaurus Rex some respect!
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If he is holding up production then just write him out of it. Theres a million great actors out there that could replace him
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Along with a Gozer the Gozerian, they team up and wreck shit across dimensions
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Jackie Gleason = Smokey & the Bandit <P>You heard it here first
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I thought that guy was claiming to be Jett Lucas or something? Son of George Lucas? <p> And hadn't that been disproved? <p> What's all this now about Mickey Suttle?
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Don't bother doing this film if Bill Murray has a cameo role.
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but Im surprised that he talked about the fun he had during recording the game.... he sounded like he phoned it in. All the rest of the voices were great though, had me laughing the whole game. First time Ackroyd has been funny in 15 years
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and if i am not mistaken,they can not start the project without his final approval and participation.
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http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000195/<P>Sure, he's managed to stay active, but over the last 10-years his career has been a litter of bit roles and voiceacting. Nothing stands out as something he personally helped generate success, unless you count Garfield (and do you really want to?). The last movie of any relevance was Kingpin... in 1996!<P>You know he's steeped in irrelevancy when he takes a role where he plays on himself and critiques his own career; Zombieland. And I've been a fan of Bill's since Prechewed Charlie.
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What about Steve Zissou, Broken Flowers and Lost in Translation? These are some of his finest performances of his career and they're all within the last decade. I believe he was nominated for an Oscar for Lost in Translation. Murray has proven himself to be a versatile actor because unlike other comedians who try to do serious films, he understands that you can bring humor to a "serious" role. He does not have to play a serial killer in order to prove himself.
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Seriously, i have never met a human being who does not love bill murray. come the fuck on, ghostbusters 3 would be awesome and you all know it.
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He can do voice work for the rest of the film, they can make him into a reincarnated cgi cat, done.
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The damn movie was supposed to have very different actors originally the original came out of leftfield if this reboot has any chance at success it has to mirror the tone of the first one. The game was good but get the franchise out of new york have it be in like philadelphia or dare i say La. As a way to limit or pahse out original cast. It has to break the mold something the sequel failed at miserably. venkman as a ghost for chrissakes!!! that would be a real boneheaded move dont kill any of them its a comedy a dead venkman wouldnt do the character any justice unless they did it as a plot device to answer questions about the afterlife which would be preachy and midicholorian like. Akroyd, Ramis, if your smart and reading talkbacks like you should or if you work for them take the concept back to a couple guys who are friends takin out a franchise and bust some heads in a spiritual sense of course. Ps: Tracey morgan is not funny, Seth rogen and jonah hill were geeks we can do better as far as suggestions Paul Rudd just because i can see him in the gear with the goggles and the cigarette.
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Jonah Hill and Seth Rogen, both very funny actors just cant see them as busters Tracey Morgan like i said b4 is not funny he would hog the spotlight and take away to much from the group dynamic. I say throw in a chick like i hate to say kat denning or juno or allison hannigan(willow) or anna farris its their kids or students throw in that socrates dude from reaper, dude from chuck Zack Levey or whatever paul rudd really crazy one wouuld be simon pegg, Mos deff would be an intersting choice or charlie murphy just typing out loud.
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reboot would be great if you had flashbacks (like Highlander)goin back to the 20's 30's 40's all the way to present day as a child college, starting at the Daily Planet crazy fights across the century showing his life in a death of supes scenario 3 hour epic extravaganza have different actors play different era superman could be cool and fresh take imo.
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Bill rocks and anybody who says he don't is a homo.
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Murray (whose attitude increasingly sucks) really doesn't want to do it; Ramis, Ackroyd, and Reitman are long past their prime; the whole thing is just going to be terribly painful for all concerned, the fans most of all. I wish I could say I believe in miracles, but I don't. It's not 1984 anymore. Let's move on.
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first off, according to the news IVE heard, go to hell is the plot neway. at least if akroyd has his way. @yourstepdaddy have you SEEEEN zombieland? murray is STILL a god and im sure his death in GB III will be just as frakking hilarious
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chiefjoseph, read the GB comics. ALL of them died, went to hell, whooped some ghost ass and came back. it was funny as eff and im sure theyre gonna work venkmans death and relevancy to the plot out someway like that
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Back at university, one of my film classes focused on studying genres. The prof would pick two or three genres each semester and the class would analyze them to death.<p> One of the common themes of the course was how so many of the great movies blurred the lines between genres.<p> One of the examples the prof cited as evidence was Ghostbusters, because while it's a comedy, it's also a horror movie (ghosts) AND a sci-fi movie (proton packs and other high-tech doodads).<p> But then I said to myself, "ok self, so why did the Casper movie suck so bad? At first glance, it seems to follow the same formula of blurring comedy and horror and special fx, right?"<p> So I wrote an essay for the class that explored why Ghostbusters is awesome and the Casper movie sucks.<p> One of the big things I noticed was how, in Ghostbusters, we don't actually learn anything about who the ghosts were when they were alive. None of the ghosts in Ghostbusters have any lines. (The big villain at the end isn't a ghost, it's a god.)<p> They aren't "dead people". They're just "ghosts".<p> In contrast, Casper isn't just a "friendly ghost". He's a frikkin' dead boy.<p> "Ghosts" can be funny, but dead boys really are not funny. Dead boys are sad.<p> I think it's one of the big reasons that Ghostbusters 2 didn't work nearly as well. Adding the element of talking ghosts with actually histories as living people tipped the balance too far from "sci-fi/comedy" to "horror".<p> Not only does is big villain a ghost with a personal history and a speaking role, but there's also the scene with the ghostly Titanic showing up at the docks.<p> It injects just too much sad reality into the Ghostbusters formula for the movie to include "dead people" as opposed to "ghosts". If I think of them as "people", then it isn't nearly as funny when the guys zap 'em with their proton beams. Like, imagine if you knew Slimer had been a loving husband and father who was dearly missed by his family. He wouldn't be nearly as comedic a character.<p> Which brings us to a dead Peter Venkman. Not only does it violate the winning formula of the first movie where "ghosts" seem to have no relation to what they're lives were like when they were alive, but it's simply NOT FUNNY.<p> Ghostbusters is a COMEDY franchise. It's not even a "black comedy" franchise. The comedy is purely light.<p> Killing off Peter Venkman and bringing him back as a ghost might be dramatically interesting, but it is *NOT FUNNY*. (I wish there was a way to underline that)<p> It's SAD when cherished characters die. It's not comedy.
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Watch "The Real Ghostbusters" cartoon show. Hilarious plots with talking "dead people", and bizzare situations for our heroes. If done right, dead Venkmen can be great.<p> GB2, however is a giant mountain of ass, and we are all correct to be deeply troubled.
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Did you ever see a movie called Topper with Cary Grant? It is about a wealthy, fun loving and very likable couple who die in an automobile accident then come back to haunt a banker named Topper. It is a hilarious movie.<p> Jokes about dead people and ghosts have been around for as long as there have been dead people. That is a long time.<p> Funny is funny. Relating to dead people or ghosts that can be, macabre, gallows, or just broad stroked. But the key, is it must be entertaining. GBII was not funny. That had nothing to do with ghosts not being funny. <p> A ghostly Venkman could be hilarious, because you would have Murray released from the physical realm, able to wreak havoc. <p> Slimer was hysterical. It would not have mattered one bit if we knew his back story. He was just plain funny. <p>
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March 2, 2010, 2:18 p.m. CST
Ah, but I'd say the "rules" are different for a cartoon.
by Royston Lodge
I'd counter that a cartoon is all goofy and silly and primary colours and such. I think the psychological rules are different for live-action. It's similar to how The Simpsons could never get away with what they do if it was a live-action show.<p> After all, Casper as well is much more enjoyable in cartoon form.<p> I can also bring other examples where the horror/comedy genres are blurred that lend weight to my idea.<p> The Addams Family works, but when you think about it nobody ever actually dies. The family is a bunch of freaks who live in a creepy house. But Wednesday never actually succeeds at killing anybody, and dead relatives don't drop by for tea.<p> Tim Burton's Corpse Bride tries to dance across the horror/comedy divide, but at the end of the day it isn't a very funny movie. It's "visually interesting" and "darkly entertaining", but it isn't "funny".<p> You also have Beetlejuice, but then again we never learn what Beetlejuice was like when he was alive. The characters we know from their time amongst the living are Alec Baldwin and Geena Davis, but they aren't actually very comedic characters. Their characters are far more melancholy and sad.<p> At the end of the day, in the first movie we never had to think about WHY these ghosts never went to heaven (or wherever) and instead were hanging around New York City. They were like Star Wars' nameless Stormtroopers or Indiana Jones' cartoon Nazis. We never had to consider if the ghosts were "good" or "bad", or even if they were sapient and had free-will, because that way it was perfectly alright for the guys to unilaterally declare themselves judge, jury and jailer. In the first movie, the guys compare themselves to exterminators on more than one occasion, which of course puts the ghosts on the same level as rats and cockroaches.<p> Once you inject the idea of ghosts as "people", it brings up a whole bunch of cognitive dissonance that gets in the way of the comedy.<p> And if you have one of the main characters come back as a ghost, you've completely re-written the metaphysical, literary, and (dare I say) "moral" rules of the franchise.
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Even Ray and Winston discuss about it: "dead rising from their graves". The librarian ghost certainly was a dead person. What I do agree with you, Royston, is that we never learned the backstories to any of those ghosts in the first movie, ghosts were single-minded and lacked a full personality; they may have had traits of what they were like when they were alive, but they didn't seem to have complex behaviours or speak, which kinda made them the haunting entities they were supposed to be. Having a wise-cracking dead Peter Venkman is not funny. Having ghosts behave as pests makes the Ghostbusters concept as paranormal exterminators work, if ghosts can reason then ghostbusting might end up looking cruel.
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March 2, 2010, 2:37 p.m. CST
Topper with Cary Grant proved likable ghosts can be funny
by toadkillerdog
The first part of the movie established a very loving and likable fun loving couple, who then die in an automobile accident. They are still fun loving and likable and decide to come haunt their banker - Topper. the movie was truly hysterical. <p> I think if you over analyze anything, you can convince yourself of anything. <p> Venkman ghost could be very funny. I disagree with killing the character - only on the grounds that it takes the physical Murray out of the movie, but I do think it could easily work with a metaphysical and hence unrestricted Murray.
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crowd of dicks or Will Ferrell (but just because he doesn't need to be in everything)
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crowd of dicks or Will Ferrell (but just because he doesn't need to be in everything)
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Not sure who rounded out the rest of the cast for it, but anyone today will be an improvement. Hope they use a solid mix of practical and cgi.
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If they dumped a truckload of money on his lawn, he'd do the movie. The so-called "death" is a reference to the Charleton Heston requirement for his movies. In other words, no more sequels after this. Heston did it in bunch of his movies, so he could move on to other roles.
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you show everyone how Leno did against Letterman last night?
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I need to start by saying that I'm going to throw GB2 aside for now b/c it's inferior to the original, which established the "rules" of the Gjhostbuster universe as we first encountered and loved it. <p> Now, to Royston's point, I don't think he means the problem is so much about whether a Venkman ghost can be "funny". Royston brings up a good point about the nature of ghosts in GB versus the idea of a Venkman ghost....which by the way is speculation on the fan's part. Murray has said he wants to be killed off in the first reel. Never said anythign about him being a ghost for the remainder. That was an extrapolation the fans took. I think Sigourney even ran with it, but I don't thin kMurray has once said he'll be a ghost. JUSt that he wants to only be in the 1st 25-33% of the film. If he were a ghost in the rest of the film, he'd still have to do more work on the movie, which would mean being in it for more than "the first reel." <p> Back to Royston's point in the next post
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In the original GB, the ghosts were akin to "pests" that needed specialized exterminators. You have the library ghost, but most all of the others we see on-screen are non-human creatures. Yeah, there's a mouldy skeleton driving a cab. but I'd argue it's still just the manifestation of a spirit, like a poltergeist. Not necessarily the ghost of a dead taxi driver. <p> Either way, having a Venkman ghost that was anything like the live version of Venkman would undermine the groundwork laid in the GB universe. Like Royston said, there aren't really any "good" ghosts in GB. Slimer gets tolerated by the end of the 2nd film, but again, that's mostly by Louis. I'm not even going to get into the argument about TRGB being canon or not. <p> Even if Venkman ended up being a ghost like "Nearly Headless Nick" from the HP series, that still seems like a departure from the phantoms previously seen in GB. <p> Now, all that said, I'd still be interested to see a Venkman ghost. Can't they just do another video game? Another movie now will never recapture everything that made the first film great. It just won't. <p> Do a huge re-release of the original instead. I'd love to see a remastered print on Imax. Who wouldn't? If we all want another GB film, why not just spend half or 1/3 of the cost and remaster the original for a hyped up re-release instead?
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He thinks he is above this franchise and has an inflated sense of his own importance. The reason why he wasn't in much of the action in Ghostbusters 2 was because he forced rewrites of the script so he didn't have to be. He let Ramis at al. do the slime shit while he swanned about doing as little as possible and phoning it in. sure, he was funny once, but his dour schtick has worn thin.<p> Fuck 'im - in fact, fuck Ghostbusters 3. Sick of hearing about it. It's been dragged out long enough. Trash it; it will inevitably be crap, relying only on nostalgia to get by (ala Indy 4). If it was going to be made, it should have been made 10 years ago at least.
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To me what Royston was saying is that a movie that combines genres - comedy, sci fi , & horror such as the case with GB, can only work if the audience does not know anything about the ghosts (horror) backstory. He uses the Casper example as well to show a flick that in his view did not work because it ostensibly was about a dead boy. His very words.<p> "It injects just too much sad reality into the Ghostbusters formula for the movie to include "dead people" as opposed to "ghosts". If I think of them as "people", then it isn't nearly as funny when the guys zap 'em with their proton beams. Like, imagine if you knew Slimer had been a loving husband and father who was dearly missed by his family. He wouldn't be nearly as comedic a character."<p> I contend that is not the case, and the example I gave was the movie Topper with Cary Grant. A comedy, which was hugely successful. In fact it spawned two sequels sans Grant. In that movie, we are introduced to a loving and very likable couple. The first third of the flick is about them. Then they suddenly die in a car crash. Their ghosts then come back to haunt their banker - Toppper.<p> It shows that just because you know a back story about the "dead" ghosts, in fact had seen them "alive", that you can still be highly entertained and find the movie and material very funny - when they die. <p> I am opposed to making Venkman a ghost, but not for the reasons that Royston lays out. I think if the character and situation are handled properly, then it will work. The "human looking" ghosts in the GB movies are rarely attacked, it is the slimer types mostly - and if Venkman is a ghost - and like you said that is pure speculation on our part, then it is doubtful he would be attacked, but he could get into some very funny situations.<p> In fact, what both you and Royston said about the antagonists is very true, that in both movies they were not in fact ghosts at all but some sort of 'evil' manifestation.
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What's the date of earliest draft you've had access to? What's the date of the latest?
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...about Leno beating Letterman on his first night back? Wow, what a shock.
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Oh, come on, man. Everyone knew that was going to happen. It was his first night back. Of course he was going to be in first. The real test is whether he can hold it beyond the first week. (P.S. He still didn't come close to Conan's debut.)
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I'm just pushing buttons. I could actually care less about either show. But Leno's comeback show was pretty strong for a guy who supposedly "used up all his goodwill" with the public. And Herc has been breathlessly reporting every bit of bad news for Leno that he can find for months. Suddenly he's not so vigilant reporting the latest on late night?
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Haven't read the recent comics, but you said yourself that they come back to life at the end. If they went _that_ way with this, maybe it might work. But I don't think Murray wants to be brought back.
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See what i did there with the comma?
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You egotistical douche! If you don't want to be in it then fuck off!! And if your doing it just because you need the money at least have the decency to do it properly! Stop acting like your above the franchise, half your fans wouldn't even know who u are if it wasn't for ghostbusters! P.S GO FUCK URSELF
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Actually, the video game that came out last year goes into length to explain the role of the librarian ghost and who exactly set off the events of the first movie and, to a degree, the second movie. <br> <br> Any new movie should be a fresh start, yet acknowledge the first 3 chapters. But also, it should explore the science behind ghosts a little more, as well as keep it rooted in a realistic setting.
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Orcus is ot a gamer but is interested on the backstory part. Care to expand?
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http://ghostbusters.wikia.com/wiki/Ghostbusters:_The_Video_Game#Major_Boss_Ghosts Try that, the game was really good, only downside was they killed Ecto One!
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Orcus pours a 40 on the curb :(
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