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Will There Be Another DIE HARD Movie?? Maybe So...
Merrick here...
MTV's conversation with Bruce Wilis turned towards DIE HARD, where Mr. Officer John McClane revealed...
"I think we're going to do a 'Die Hard 5' next year."
...says Bruce HERE.
In the MTV piece, Willis goes on to suggest the direction he feels the franchise should head:
"Well it's got to go worldwide," Willis concluded. "That would be my contribution to [the next movie]."
So, I guess the big questions here are: how much of this is Bruce simply talking about what he'd like to see happen, and how of this is actually in a more formal discussion/planning stage?
I'm really on the fence about this. Part of me is totally crazy for the John McClane character & universe - another part of me found LIVE FREE OR DIE HARD aggravatingly tepid compared to the previous films in the series, and didn't feel Olyphant was a particularly compelling nemesis/presence. I guess my enthusiasm here would depend on what kind of DIE HARD film we'd actually get this time around.
I hate to revive the "R" -vs- "PG-13" argument once more, but having seen these movies back-to-back fairly recently, I don't see how people can say that LIVE FREE OR DIE HARD's softer rating didn't negatively impact the tone of the film. Of course, the Box Office is the final arbiter in such matters - and the film did quite well overall - so there's probably not too much point in bitching about this further.
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and final line of the film. I'm retired. and no fist fighting jets this time and more cursing.
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4th was good. Not great but...
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with John visiting Al in LA. and they both get caught in some serious "believable" shit.
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Bruce and Arnold taking on terrorists again...bring it!
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what do you say, Paul?
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it is canon and takes place before prison break breaks sarah tancready out of prison in the straight to dvd lady-prison pilot and the new die hard film/
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what style of cuisine would john mcclane's restaurant be? I'm thinking steakhouse. Gordon Ramsay comes in to clean his kitchen. This one's a comedy.
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cameos from michael jordan, bugs bunny, and ben affleck.
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that's that.
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Die Hard V: Die Already!
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Unbreakable 2!<br><br>MKS is thinking about it and Willis is up for it as long as Jackson is as well. This is much better news than DH5 - good as that would be...
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it's a good movie until the end, when john finally gets laid but dies mid coitus, unfortunately because the waitress he's effing forgot CPR. Waitress played by Meagan Fox of course.
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...When it comes to resuscitating, or preventing the further humiliation of one of our favorite screen character....!<p><p> Hell, i wanna see Willis bitch about it too - is he so desperate that he'll trample his own legacy further still in order to get asses on seats and a pay cheque?!<p><p>When he says PG13 = No Willis, then we'll all scream for another Die Hard. 'Til then, just let it die quietly.
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I liked 4, not as much as 1-3, but I enjoyed it
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One of them Grubers' kids has been investigating his uncle's/dad's deaths for years and now he's a prosecuting lawyer. but get this- he's taking mcclane to COURT.
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There has to be another member he can pick off. A second cousin twice removed or something.
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you're welcome.
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He's way into this thread.
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It's not so much the violence (they get away with a lot at the lower level), it's the horribly looped swearing that is taken out/re-inserted for the DVD.
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"I'd like to play a game..."<br><Br>"Better not be-Simon-fucking-says again."<Br><Br>
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die hard 4 sucked. Mclane is gonna need a wheelchair for dh5.
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of any season of 24 ever. <p> I thought DH4 was fine. Put back the adult language, and I will happily pay money to see it.
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Yippie kay yay motherfuckers
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Then maybe then can get James Ivory to direct Die Hard 5.
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No way would I want TL2. I can't believe people rate that film. It was horrible piece of shit.
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I love Die Hard, but I think it needs to go back to its roots. Put McClane in another claustrophobic environment. Another situation where he can't escape, so he might as well fight. Thats where I want to see Die Hard go next.
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Look, I am still getting over this from three years ago. I am done with Die Hard unless John Mc Tiernan comes on board.
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this would rule.
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Call you agents! Reginald's recent appearance on Disney's I'm In the Band really fills out the career highlight reel.
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die hard 5: castaway in a coffin, buried alive at alpine valley during a nickleback concert
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I think The Ben Stiller Show had exclusive footage. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRnH_rRnBAw
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It's still a great movie. Get over it.
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This is the best diet coke I've had in...wait, what?...(BANG!)...role credits.
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Feb. 23, 2010, 12:03 p.m. CST
For All Those Who Removed the Space and Watched The Video
by Aquatarkusman
DAMN RIGHT THAT'S TAYLOR NEGRON
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maybe Warners can convince them to get the Lethal Weapon band back together.
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about to be demolished at sea. Or on a space station about to be demolished. Or a Denny's.
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They need one more movie, just so they can use that title.
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They left that tidbit out.
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...the next one set in another country.
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Did anyone see the uncut dvd version i saw for sale over here in England? DH4 wasn't a bad action flick but just needed a bit more grit and oomph.
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DocBosch: Winner!
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according to imdb they already putting the LW team back together.. with shane black writing.<br><br>i had no problem with DH4. it wasnt the best of the series, but it definitely didnt ruin the series for me either.<br><br>if i had one imput it would be to please not start the movie with john maclane being 'down on his luck' and looking all messed up in life. they've done that twice now. (DH3 and DH4... 3 times if you consider 'the last boy scout.') i mean the guy saved untold thousands of lives... 4 times! make the guy having a little deserved fun before the bad guy ruins his day.
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DIE HARD 5: DIE HARD DOWN UNDER - Willis and a few Aussie stereotypes (+ token Abo) get trapped by terrorists in the Sydney Opera House. Ends up with Willis singing an aria.<p> DIE HARD 5: BY ROYAL APPOINTMENT - Willis and a few English stereotypes (+ token Scotsman/Irishman/Welshman) get trapped by terrorists in Buckingahm Palace. Ends up with Willis dangling from the clockface on Big Ben.<p> DIE HARD 5: FREEDOM FRIES AINT FREE - Willis and a few French stereotypes (+ token Muslim schoolkid who's not supposed to wear her Bhurka) get trapped by terrorists up the Eiffel Tower. Ends up with Willis parachuting off the top using the Bhurka.
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that john mcclane is the villain in MacGrueber, the Die Hard/MacGuyver spin-off about Hans Grueber and MacGuyver's love child, Will Forte.
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With a strong script he'd make a great movie.
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No one involved in that film had a clue as to what made the first three films great.
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He says he's so old, his head now needs 2 coats of wax
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should be the main news today.<p>Aint' It Slow News.
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'Only John McTiernan make good Die Hard movie'.
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was a complete and utter disaster. Total fucking shit. I never thought that anybody could make a worse Die Hard movie than Renny Harlin, so I really have to take my hat off to Len Wiseman for doing the impossible.
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Has McTiernan completed his prison sentence yet???
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at best.
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Let's recap some of his creative executive decisions: 1) no sentinels in x-men movies cause giant robots don't play well on screen. (Transformers premieres and bitch slaps Fox that summer) 2)hire Ratner to replace Singer cause Singer wants to do superman instead. (x3 sucks creatively and gives us a wolverine that cries. WOLVERINE DOESNT CRY HE GETS PISSED!) 3)makes die hard be pg-13 (yipee Kai yay mother<bang>). How does this guy have a job?
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...Republicans... thats technicaly i worldwide villain... and bring back Carl Winslow and Sammy J!
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Apparently Bruce said he wants to make this too, though I couldn't tell you for sure as MTV doesn't let you watch clips outside of the US.
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I can only assume you were dropped on your head as a child.
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Im sure someone could make a plausable excuse plotwise to get Alan Rickman back in one of his best movie roles ever, and what the fuck is Reginald VelJohnson doing these days anyways. These 2 supporting characters made the first movie great. I would love to see these guys back in Die Hard 5.
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That's right. Hans was the GOOD twin!
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McClane is on holiday in Paris with his daughter when she is accidentally killed by crazy-as-fuck terrorist Stephen Lang. McClane goes undercover with smokin' hot French detective Marion Cotillard to avert Lang's crazy plan, cue lots of amazing action sequences, chases and hard R violence. Make it so. And fuck Len Wiseman.
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did remind me of why I love John McClane. It's funny what a few more "fucks" in the dialogue will do for you.
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let it go hollywood.
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I can only assume you are an inbred mongoloid.
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Bring on more.
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Ian Mcshane in Pirates? Mark Strong as Sinestro?
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please make it stop.
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No, just somebody that knows a GREAT action sequence when he knows one, one that is written, staged and edited to perfection for maximum excitement. The toilet fight, horse chase, Harrier jet bridge attack, limo going off end of bridge and Harrier jet/skyscraper interface are all expert action sequences, courtesy of a director who actually knows what the fuck he's doing.
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They need to scale it down a lot not make it bigger. McClane isn't fucking James Bond. The second one compared to the first one in terms of believabilty is miles apart.I still haven't seen 4.0 and I have no intention either. Got no time for neutered bollocks and I learned my lesson from T3.
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...and I wasn't particularly sleep deprived at the time.
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That John McClane is fictional. That's just... kinda funny.
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Perhaps the movie could flashback to Hans falling off Nakatomi plaza. He barely survives it and is nursed back to health by the U.S. government to be used to infiltrate foreign terrorist cells. Cut to 20 years later or so Hans hears about his brother from Die Hard with a Vengeance and waits for the perfect moment to get his revenge on McClane. Once again Hans sets up his revenge around another robbery, but its on behalf of some government friendly to the U.S. and now McClane has Hans and half the world after him. This is one possible idea for a new Die Hard.
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hot damn that gives me a chub.
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In Space
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The Die Hard novelty was that it took place in a limited space, made good use of all the resources available ... it was like a Jackie Chan movie but with guns and effects and had a rich collection of minor characters with personalities of their own in their limited screen time.<BR><BR> I feel the franchise has grown weaker as it has lost its claustrophobia and gets ridiculous in scope. One man can make a difference in a building. By Die Hard 3, one man being more important than the entire police department of New York overstrained my suspension of disbelief.
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Because it shows Muslims as terrorists? And then another guy, who looks like he could be a Muslim bc of his ethnicity, as a good guy? huh wha?
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Obviously you did not read my original post. I am not attacking True Lies for it's action. It has GREAT action sequences. I'm attaking it for being RASCIST AND MISOGYNISTIC (that means demeaning to women). Please engage brain before responding in future.
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You're right. The problem with the Die Hard series is that the first film is magnificent, so any sequel is always going to be a lesser film. There is absolutely no need to do another one, except for money of course. And why anybody would hire Len Wiseman again is utterly beyond me.
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Unfortunately, even though John McClane is cooler, Jack might have the edge on this one simply based on the fact that this season he has taken a deep knife wound to the belly, a shotgun blast to the shoulder, and electrocution of his belly wound all in the space of 2 hours, and Jack gets two band-aids at shakes it off (yes I know this was a runon sentence). On the other hand, John MacClane jumped off of a fighter jet, had a freeway collapse on him, and walked away a little bruised, so who knows.
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McClane's son or daughter will be skiing/skating in the 2014 Winter Olympics in Sochi, Russia. They are held hostage in the Olympic village by the East, er, German contingent headed by Heinz Gruber, played by (insert actor here). <p> John McClane teams up with Will Farrell and John Heder (reprsing their roles from Blades of Glory) to stymie the foul foes. <p> With remembrances of the Isreali tragedy and the attack in Atlanta's Olympic village a few years back, surely there will be some outrage. And isn't that always a good thing?
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My favourite bit in True Lies is when Arnie interrogates his wife and she does the striptease for him. Put that in your pipe and smoke it fuckwit.
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I never will. PG-13 my ass!!!
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You are damn right.
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was the real die hard 4 for me... well, in my opinion. but be serious: it had it all and stuck much more to the three die hard movies in tone, issue and tension than the official dh4 did. or?
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I'm all for Brucey doing one more Die Hard. While DH4 (I refuse to refer to it by its American release title) was somewhat pedestrian, I still very much enjoyed seeing Bruce back in that character, and to me, like Harrison Ford, Willis seems almost asleep in many of his other contemporary roles -- but there's a fire in his John McClaine that adds a spark, just as Ford looks like he's in a coma lately in everything else, but even though Indiana Jones 4 was turgid, his performance was still energized and reminded you of what he can do. Get another Kevin Smith cameo, Christoph Waltz -- whoever suggested that is spot-on -- would be a great villain, design a domestic threat that quickly becomes a worldwide threat, and you've got a movie!
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All Muslims are terrorists apart from the American born Muslim who is one of the good guys. Christ, what a load of baloney.
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Feb. 23, 2010, 1:07 p.m. CST
Won't see any version other than R
by HercThinksEntourageIsBetterThanArrestedDevelopment
I didn't see Live Free or Die Hard in the theater for this reason. Waited until the R/Unrated DVD. And I'll do the same thing with this one. Haven't seen Terminator: Salvation yet - is there an R/Unrated version out? Fuck you, movie executives, for bowdlerizing movies. I will not support you with my money.
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I guess we can never show Muslims as terrorists, huh? Just as we can't show rednecks as being racist or ghetto thugs as being criminals, or corporate fatcats as screwing over the little guy for money. <p>Because it never happens, right? <p> True Lies isn't racist my friend. And nothing in the movie suggests that what's his name was born in the US. Obviously, Arnold wasn't.
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'Cause if it is -- you know who you "sans" are, uh.
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Don't even bother. She'll be gone soon. I'm sure she's got a stinky, ooze-dripping bush to lick somewhere.
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Not Ain't I Cuntish News. You should maybe go find the right site.
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Feb. 23, 2010, 1:12 p.m. CST
Get a decent writer and bring back McTiernan
by judge dredds fresh undies
That is all.
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That would be a tough call. I guess I would say remake since I love Bruce but dear Lord did I hate Live Free or Suck Hard Cock. McClane is now a superhero and sliding off jets and jumping from buildings. All done with my own personal worst enemy: CGI. Throw in tons of comedy, poorly written bad guys and a distracting cameo by Kevin Smith...makes me realize that unless Sylvester Stallone is making a 4th film, all 4th film in a series suck! (Lethal Weapon 4, Indy 4, Alien 4, hell...I don't even like Star Trek IV that much).
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in the talkbacks for damage control,when the new crapfest DH5 is ready to premiere? <p>i miss him acting as the bitch of the studios.
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To enfuriate every single TB here. And Bruce Willis will post here how awesome the movie is.
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The first was brilliant. The rest, pale imitations. A fifth certainly won't tarnish the "Die Hard" franchise at this point. To suggest it would is utter rubbish.
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And oops on the "And if Arabs and women" post. I blame my stupid fat fingers on women and Arabs. 'Cause they're stupid and evil (in no particular order).
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Gotcha. Got a little confused 'cause I... oh, never mind. Thought that was JMT for a minute there.
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fact
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with a young mcclain who has plenty of hair on his head.and his is a viet name veteran.cool.
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Die Hard 5: Die Hard Day Camp
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Call it Die Hard Rhea?
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Call it Die Hard Rhea?
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Double post?
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Johnny boy and Al are getting their drink on at Oktoberfest when Helmut Gruber replaces the beer with flesh eating bacteria. Only Helmut has the cure for this designer bacteria, thus McClane and Al must find him, kill him, and spike the remaining kegs with the antigen. In a haunting twist, Al does not make it. His lap band explodes due to bratwurst overload.
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i dont mean that DH4 was worst out of Terminator 4, AvP, DH 4...i just mean that it was the film series that suffered the most out of not having that all important R rating...<p> i recently rewatched the uncut versions of DH 1-3 on tv and there are 'mother fuckers' every other line, bloody bullet hits and head shots etc <p> DH 4 was WAY too tame....it wasnt TOO bad a film - but without the ultra violence and gore, bad lang (McClane swore every other word - hell even in his catchpharse...yet in 4 he dosnt cuss ONCE?!) it just didnt feel 'Die Hard' at all..it came close - but they fucked it with the pg13...<p> at least with T4 - although it didnt have ONE F bomb any hardly any bullet hits etc - there was way fewer swear words and bloody bullet hits etc in the previous Terminators than the Die Hards...(same with Alien)...an example being people going on about the 'Grabinators' and 'Throwinators' in T4 - well the T800s were doing that in T1 and T2 - so although it was very bad they made Terminator PG 13 it wasnt as damaging as it was to Die Hard <p> Id say the least affected was AvP for the same reason but also because it wasnt TRULY an Alien (or Predator) film...it was basically a silly spin off - a video game/comic adaptation based on a throwaway shot at the end of Predator 2 <p> i hope the new Alien Ridley Scott is directing and the new Rodregiz Predator film are R (i think they will be - no way would Ridley *beep* up his creation over a rating) <p> PG13 is pretty much the norm for Sci Fi/action films these days - good for stuff like star trek, batman and bond which were traditionally PG and the pg13 rating allows them to have that extra bit of hard core action<p> bad for stuff like Terminator, Die Hard, Alien, predator – the days of big budget hard R rated SF films are a thing of the past at the moment, maybe Alien 5 and Predators will bring them back
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Die Hard is a classic action thriller. everyone knows this. unfortunately none of the sequels come close to the same level of excellence from the first. i wasnt a big fan of the 3rd film, i felt it strayed too far from the claustrophobic edge of the first, it does seem that McClanes environment increases in scope from a building to an airport to new york to america. bigger isnt always better however and hollywood would do well to remember this. AND SO BEGINS MY EXPLETIVE RIDDEN RANT, IM NOW A STUDIO EXEC SAYING WHATS WHAT!!!. for fuck sake how stupid was die hard 4, it was shit, plain and simple and if you thought it was anything other than a poor die hard film you are a fuckin moron. it was shit, end of. len wiseman, fuck off, mcclane with no hair, fuck off, PG13, fuck off, timothy elephant, fuck off, sidekick computer geek, fuck off, die hard 4 just fuck off allready. now, heres whats gonna happen for die hard 5, bruce willis is gonna let his hair grow and i dont fucking care if its receeded to within an inch of its life, i know he has some and some is better than nothin because part of mcclanes appeal has always been that hes a receeding fucker ok. its gonna be smaller in scale. yes smaller, not bigger, smaller, the budget of the 4th was 200 million, fuck off, this ones gonna be less than 100 million and your gonna dispense with cgi unless its absolutely neccesary, this is die hard, not fucking transformers. we're gonna get a villian worth a damn, a foe thats gonna really stand tall next to alan rickman and hes gonna be one mean motherfucker, not someone who says "start phase 2" fucking hell that was lame. we're gonna have swearing, violence and we're gonna make bruce willis emote in this one because he was just there to pick up his cheque in the last one. he was sleepwalking and he knows it. i cant fucking believe he said in his promotional tour of the film that die hard 4 was as good as the first one, not even close bruce you deluded stupid fuck. seriously man wheres your head. i know you used to be a bar man and your just a normal bloke but cmon man, you must know a shit film when you see it. bruce your problem is that film makers are too intimated by you that rather than come up with ideas to make the film better they go along with whatever the fuck you want and what you want is len wiseman to come back for part 5? bruce, try to remember a time when you had no real power in hollywood and you did die hard like your whole career depended on it and do this for part 5. finally i want the original score back, i want to know if shane black is available to write the script and here are a list of directors i want to be approached to direct .... 1. len wiseman, to tell him he's not got the gig ... heres the list ... Paul Verhoevan, Quentin Tarantino, Neil Blompkamp, Danny Boyle, David Fincher, James Cameron (no harm in asking) Tony Scott, pierre Morrel(the fella that made Taken) and any other suggestions welcome. now fuck off and do it that way. jesus its not hard to not screw a film up, you just gotta have a love for the product and good fucking taste.
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I dont want Waltz as baddie.we got enough german baddies in 1 and 3.he is a great actor and i want him with the good guys.Have an international anti-terrorist team which tries to get the nukes from the terrorists.Waltz is the germaN leader of the team with other members being from Japan,UK,China,Greece(:P),etc.Willisomehow gets involved into this,maybe the FBI or CIA interrogate Bruce and inform him that his son is involved to the terrorist group and since his son disappeared just before the terrorist thing started,Wills,who believes his son is innocent,gets personally involved and wants to find the end of it. <p>The FBI sends Wills or goes by himself,to Waltz's team in order to give them info or help them.Waltz does not like Willis,he is a bit arrogant just like he was in IB.there is a rivalry and hate between them,but after an encounter with the terrorists,in some foreign country,i dont know maybe Iraq or Thailand or whatever,and because someone of the team is a betrayer (the Greek :P),everyone is killed and only Waltz and Willis survive. <p>Bruce believes that Waltz is the traitor,since he is a german and had a bad experience with germans before.Waltz believes that Willis is the traitor because of his son involvement.They are alone,the terrorists are hunting them,they have to get the nukes before they detonate them,and save Willis son.so Willis has to trust him,just like Waltz has to trust in order to survive. <p>That adventure bonds these 2 tough men and a friendship starts between them.they finally beat the bad guys,maybe have Wallz get killed while he sacrifized himself to save Willis's son who is innocent,Willis gets berserk and kills all the baddies before they nuke the world,he joins his son and return to their family in USA,he punches the FBI/CIA director who is the typical asshole during the whole movie and the end.
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No matter what else is going to be said until 2010 is over, that's already the understatement of the year. And yes this kind of movies should only be considered R , to make them PG 13 its simply to make completely different kind of movies .
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As fun as hearing McClane say "shit" and "fuck" every 10 seconds is, Live Free or Die Hard suffered from a shit story, lack of witty/funny dialog on McClane's part, a cliche, cardboard cut-out villain, bad acting (especially in said villain's case), generic action set pieces, Bruce Willis looking bored through every scene, lack of cool/entertaining side-characters (no Al Powell or Zeus types), too much Justin Long - fuck, Justin Long just being in there, obligatory action movie hotties that are more plot devices and henchmen than anything of interest. It was just so fucking generic and forgettable. Nothing we hadn't seen before. Oh and it was dumb. Really dumb.
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where the terminators were grabbing their targets and throwing them around.If T800 or T1000 had a chance to grab Sarah or John,the first thing it would do,was to rip their heart out of their chest.In T2 there was grabbing and throwing between the two T,but they were 2 almost indestructible machines with different priorities.Even Arnie said in T2,that he didnt know how to kill T1000,so gaining time by throwing him away,was a logical thing to do. <p>But in T4,well it was just for the fans,hey look its a digitized Arnie Terminator,now lets have him doing cool moves like defenestrating Connor the whole scene,even if its look unreal and illogical.That will cheer up the fans.fucking stupid MCG.
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generic.that is the perfect description for DH4.
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And I think it would be cool to somehow make a connection with the first film as another TB'er suggested, have Nakatomi somehow be involved in it, hell maybe even make it an "evil" corporation and have McClane think he is saving them when he would in fact be helping them in their evil deeds. Something along those lines could be cool.
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i know AvP had been PG13 and that was a big shock but as i said b4 - it wasnt REALLY an alien or predator film was it....the REAL alien prequel and the REAL Predator 3 are coming out soon anyway...they will be amazing and make everyone forget the silly AvP<p> DH 4 was *beep* ing shocking though...i just didnt see it coming...and was like 'Holy *beep* a PG13 Die Hard!!' it was like a dream or something...like finding out the new Halloween/Nightmare on Elm St/Friday13th was gonna be pg13...something that you thought couldnt possibly be a pg 13 was a pg13!!<p> with T4 - although it was still a shock we kinda knew McG would *beep* us over - plus there had already been the PG13 AvP and DH4 just recently so it was kinda expected and less of an impact...and there were the playmate toys, pizza hut deals and constant rumours of the dreaded pg13 - but still a nasty shock seeing that little PG13 logo on the bottom right of that PIZZA HUT ad <p> also McG bringing up The Dark Knight at the comic con -as soon as he said 'well the Dark KNight was pg13 and that was dark and violent and made compromise free' i knew it would be PG13 (like since WHEN has a batman movie ever aimed for anything other than pg13?!)but he didnt wanna come out and say it as he knew hed get booed, insulted and laughed at etc - so he still kept the hope alive by talking about Moons boobs and that it was filmed with no rating in mind etc <p> i believe the studio bosses also said something similar - saying that it was filmed compromise free without any intention of adhering to a rating <p> plus the studio let it remain uncertain right until about a week or 2 b4 release (until Pizza Hut blew it) same with DH 4 - FOX didnt wanna reveal it was pg13 as itd have just killed the anticipation <p> like the studios knew they were doing wrong but didnt have the balls to admit it <p> where as if they had been R u can bet your ass theyd have been shouted it from the roof tops a year in advance<p> funny thing is if those films HAD been R they more than likley wouldve made the same box office - if not more ...kids dont give a shit about stuff like Die Hard, Terminator and Alien and the ones that do dont wanna see them watered down and pussyfied just like adults dont - hopefully the lackluster T4 Box office will help studios reconsider pussyfying R franchises with upcoming films like T5 (if its ever made), Mad Max 4, Thing 2, Alien 5 and Predators
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T1 - Paxton against the rails (just b4 he guts the knife guy)...Slider got thrown in the bedroom a good few times...<p> T2 - the biker, various hospital staff (but that was after he got ordered not to kill)<p> but they wernt the primary targets like Sarah or john - you always got the impression once the T800 or T1000 got their hands on them theyd be dead instantly, no messin...that was part of the whole appeal of those films...the fear factor was way real....in T4 there was WAY too much throwinating...Conner got thrown a total of SEVEN times but the opening half terminator and 'Arnie' (who was programmed to kill him)...SEVEN!!<p> so you are quite right - it was dumb
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and Jason fits in there somewhere too.
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referring to the primary targets of the Ts,not the unlucky bystanders. <p>Because as you correctly said it,you got the feeling that when the Ts grabbed them,they would kill them instantly.that was their mission. <p>But in T4,Skynet traps John to kill him and what his new improved Terminator does? he keeps throwing him around.jesus.
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Stallone was directing a new Die Hard?
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this is lame but...the half terminator at the start - it didnt know who Conner was so just chucked him..like Arnie chucked a fucked out Slider in T1<p> T800 chucked Conner every time it got hold of him....i dunno (bad writing obviously) maybe as it was an early prototype version T800 it prefered throwing to crushing skulls/breaking necks/punching through chests and heads<p> lame explanations i dont know why i bothered
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editing a R movie into PG13 is so easy.
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I WISH!! ;)<P> im suprised they never did it as a graphic novel..they done everything else (and they are the same studio)<p> simple story - Predator lands in NYC in about 1998 (so we get McClane with hair), starts killing people..McClane investigates like Glover in P2...<p> also Star Trek (TOS) vs ALIENS...why no comic for that either? - out of all the Alien/Predator 'vs' thatd make the most frickin sense!!
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Yes, I enjoyed Die Hard 4, and I know it ain't that hot. Fuck it though.
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any good? it looks it
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Feb. 23, 2010, 3 p.m. CST
Will Walter B be back with his black box?
by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave
Sly answers 10 rounds of questions...Walter Willis answers...one.
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Feb. 23, 2010, 3:05 p.m. CST
Kwisatzhaderach, sansara07 is Nerd Rage Retard Strength
by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave
/Ash Williams. Yes - that cunt. Pay him no mind. He comes into every talkback with something negative to say about Cameron and/or Avatar, even if the subject of it has got nothing to do with either of those two things. What a snivelling little toad he is.<p>The game's up, shithead. I'm just waiting for you to drop the facade just like the last time before you were banned.
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. . . could have been a complete blood bath and still would have sucked ass.
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who would win?
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$2.5 billion and counting. Remember when I predicted $700 million domestic for Avatar (which it's going to hit this weekend) and $1.5 billion worldwide (which I actually low-balled by a billion!), and you told me to lie down and take my medication? Funny how my predictions for Avatar all came true, eh? Kiss my, and James Cameron's, asses, fuckhole!!
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True Lies = Parody and/ or Send-up of the action genre and Bond movies, and all the tropes and cliches of those movies. Anyone who takes it as literally racist and mysogynist is a complete imbecile at best, and has serious issues at worst.
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<p>It always takes me out of a movie when that awful CGI comes on screen. I haven't seen one action movie where it has looked remotely realistic.</p>As far as this sequel is concerned, I think we all know it's going to suck. Die Hard 4 was a big piece of shit. The villain wasn't menacing in the least, the completely ludicrous action scenes that seemed like satirical Simpsons bits (when the jet blows up as McClane slides down the tilted highway, I immediately though of Homer with the soda and pop rocks, haha) and no swearing. With Rothman in charge, do you really think they will make this R rated? I'll watch it at some point, but not in theaters.
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If it ain't hard R, I ain't watching. I learned my lesson with that last piece of tepid shite. Len Wiseman - now there's two reasons to kick your balls into the base of your throat. Not only do you fuck Kate Beckinsale nightly, you also fucked DIE HARD, and not in the same way. Does hot Hollywood pussy fuck up your talent, or what??
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At this point, Bruce has worn out any goodwill he had with me. If COP OUT isn't the next LETHAL WEAPON, that fucking does it. Only HUDSON HAWK 2 can possibly revive my interest in the Bruno any more, because LIVE FREE was so far from a fucking DIE HARD movie at this point, I'd rather see JCVD as fucking John McClane than Bruce again.<P> Fuck Hollywood. Fuck PG-13 action movies. AND FUCK DIE HARD 5!!
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its decent
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Feb. 23, 2010, 3:52 p.m. CST
Peopl who prefer WAV to Die Harder or Live Free baffle me
by Nasty In The Pasty
It's EASILLY the weakest of the Die Hard movies, with PISS-POOR special effects, a screenplay cobbled together from seemingly five unproduced ones, and an ending that's ridiculously weak. Despite the PG-13 bullshit (oh, excuse me, "bullsoup"), Live Free...was VASTLY superior to the third movie. Mac Guy was annoying, but other than that, it was aces.
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Is it all about Commissioner Gordon and corruption in Gotham City again? Oh, and Diane Kruger for Sarah Essen!!
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Large budget, good cast, various kinds of action sequences (chase, gun fight, hand-to-hand fights, nick-of-time saves, etc.), and overall a new KIND of threat for John McClane. This phrase "phoned in" is overused, used whenever someone simply didn't like a film. This phrase needs to limited, I feel, or maybe even retired, much like when someone says "I'd like X amount of hours of my life back that I spent watching that movie." Hey, cut this Jack, it's a fuckin' MOVIE, some are bad, some are good, and you are ALWAYS taking a gamble when you commit time to watching one. Don't like it? Then stop watching ALL of them. There, you've got all the time in the world now to learn a martial art or donate blood or save the whales or some shit like that. Anyways...we're all just floating...
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2 was just a rehash of the original - the obligatory vanilla action sequel- and Live Free was watered down PG-13 neutered poop. WAV gave us a whole new angle, kind of the opposite of the first. Instead of a confined location, we go all over a big city, and instead of being on his own, McClane has a partner. And of course it was directed by McTiernan when he still had some action cojones left. This should have been Die Hard 2 - they could have skipped Die Harder and gone straight to this without missing a bit. <p>Come on - great salty language and repartee between Willis and Jackson, coming straight off of Pulp Fiction; Jeremy Irons as a terrific villain, not as great as Rickman but much more memorable than stock bad guy Colonel Stuart and the wet pussy from 4; inventive action (subway crash, flooded tunnels); atmosphere perfectly capturing mid-90's NY. If they haven't fucked up the ending then it could have been nearly as good as the original. I heard that McT was actually thrown out of the editing room near the end of production, so perhaps that's the reason.<p> And yes, I know the idea of the film was originally written for Die Hard, but so what - spec scripts get retro-fitted for existing franchises all the time. WAV was 2/3 of a GREAT Die Hard movie.
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Feb. 23, 2010, 4:12 p.m. CST
that's 'wasn't originally written for Die Hard'
by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave
Sheesh
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SOUP!
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Live Free Or Die Hard just did not feel like a Die Hard movie. It didn't connect well at all with the other three movies and I think it was due to it being watered down. I still think the 3rd movie was by far the most fun of the series (first being the best).
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wasnt that a line in a movie? if not it should be Mother funners
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And I do not like True Lies. It is very misogynist.
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so aliens,terminators,abyss and titanic are also misogynist,since they are directed by the same artist.right.
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imagine that...all hard R (18 certificate in the UK) to make uup for the shitty way we got treated with AvP, DH4 and T4<p> but i guess the least we can hope for is standard T2/Matrix style 'R' (15 in the UK)...although maybe..just maybe Alien 0 and Predators will be 18s *crosses fingers*<p> just please no more PG13(12a)...PLEASE DONT DO DAT AGAIN!<p>
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But some scenes in True Lies are awful. Arnie basically tortures his wife, interrogating her because he thinks she is cheating on him.
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God forgive me, but enough is enough... <br> Yippie Ki Yay Mother *Blam*
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was asking her some questions.and he didnt use any kind of torture to get the answers.now where exactly you saw torture,only god knows. <p>and Arnie was the asshole in the movie,since he neglected his wife,it was his fault from the start,something that he acknowledges,thats why he wanted to make up with her,giving her the adventure she wanted.but the movie is misogynist.heh.
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Helicopters. Masks. Thrown in a van. Thrown in a cell. Interrogated by a disembodied voice. Yeah, an adventure. Hope you're not married. <br><br> Heh.
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for me. WTF Len Wiseman was so wrong for Die Hard. The series was never politically Correct nor it needed to pull a Die Hard 3 and have a woman as a villain. That shit may work in the James Bond films but NOT Die Hard. Bruce should have took that chinese bitch and beat her to death not the videogame approach was used. I want blood, blood, and more blood for the next one. HIRE JOHN MCTIERNAN! He's out of jail and I'm sure he needs a job. DIE HARD 5 a John McTiernan film!
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yeah, the T-1000 didnt throw sarah conner around in T2, but he use his finger to puncture sarah conner in the factory, so he could use her voice and image to call out to john. (even though he first told her to call out to him.. which made no sense, because we saw earlier he could do it himself.)<br><br>then for some reason he didnt just kill her. he already had her likeness, but he didnt just rip her head off when he was done.<br><br>just sayin' T2 aint perfect either.
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He did not have the energy to copy/imitate Sarah Conner indefinitely when he didn't have to.<p>That's the in-movie explanation. The cinematic reason is because it's just more dramatic.
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a dangerous spy and Arnie gave it to her.Then again you seem to forget that when one of Arnie's agents hit her with the gun,Arnie punches him.but the movie is misogynist.right.and the sun is pink.
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to do TL after seeing the treatment of her character in the script. You could argue that Cameron was "parodying" Bond movies, but seriously. Lines like "she has an ass like a 10 year old boy, titties that make you wish for butter milk" or "the vette gets her wet"? Wtf? You can tell that Cameron was ENJOYING writing those lines, he was getting off on it. Now the portrayal of the Muslim terrorists as incompetent cartoon characters...if those terrorists had been BLACK muslims, all hell would have broken loose with Cameron branded as a rascist. But he used brown skinned actors so he got a free pass. But it still makes it rascist.
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besides Sarah was not his prime target,John was.
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And if you don't understand that, you aren't worth discussing this with.
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I hope to god it's a fake. Seriously one of the most bizarre scripts I've ever read - and not in a good way. Space jockey telepathy-induced anal rape and ju-jitsu against pussy cat aliens. If that thing is real then it's clear that Sir Ridley is entering the throes of senile dementia, as if signing up for a Monopoly movie wasn't proof enough.
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...is that they maintain the tradition of over-the-top titles, and avoid calling it, simply, "Die hard 5". Otherwise, why should anyone be surprised by this news? Bruce admitted back in 2007 that they would likely do another one. The fact that DH4 was the highest-grossing entry didn't hurt a sequel's chances either. As long as Bruce is back, I'm there.
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Arnold's character is supposed to be an insensitive dope with no idea how to relate to his wife - it is not the movie's viewpoint, but th echaracter's. Harry has no idea of his wife's true desires. He's basically riffing off Connery's Bond and alpha male power fantasies. It is only when he bonds with his wife during the last third of the film that he is genuinely reconciled with her, and at the end, they are BOTH secret agents. It is a subversion of the macho Bond formula. Nothing to do with sexism or misogyny whatsoever.
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little bitch should stay at her home and wash dishes,instead of cheating the cornerstone of the family,because she had the nerve to feel alone and the need to become adventurous.you got what you wished for,baby. <p>and yes the above was a very misogynist answer.ha.
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and the greek translation of Die Hard happens to be my most favorite movie title.its translated as Very Hard to Die but it has a very macho sound in the greek language.
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Or Need Viagra to Die Hard?
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I listened. You convinced me. To an extent. I won't call the movie misogynist any more. But I still do not like those scenes and it makes me not like the movie nearly as much as any other Cameron movie.
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torturing women in his films. Sarah Conner has the Terminator's hand around her neck, and then harpooned through the shoulder in T2. Lyndsey Brigman has her mouth taped in Abyss. Rose is hit by her fiance in Titanic. Ripley has the facehugger tendril around her throat in Aliens. If I didn't know better I'd say Cameron LIKES to see women physically abused. And they say he makes movies that empower women. Funny.
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Very thin. You're a troll, and not a very good one at that.
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you are becoming such a boring troll.anyway.
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R-rated or bust. Come on, the so called "youngeer" teen crowd dosen't give a shit about die hard or old man Willis. Make it for us DH fans who want to see blood and f-bombs for old time sakes.
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...When hearing about another DIE HARD movie made me feel good, instead of this hollow, aching feeling where my enthusiasm used to be. Fuckers.
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I copyrighted that, fuckers. Back up to Casa del Spud with a truckload of money, and it's yours.
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I have you beat. I remember there were so many rip offs of the original "it's like Die Hard but on a train!" "It's like Die Hard but on a bus!" "It's like Die Hard in a tunnel!" that some idiot in Hollywood allegedly pitched a new movie as "It's like Die Hard, but set in an office building!"
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think about it... it is the only way to go
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I'm guessing that was Len Wiseman... and you just described DH5. As rebooted by Platinum Dooms. Directed by Nispel, produced by Bay. The world implodes in the legendary Maelstrom of Suck.
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I'm guessing that was Len Wiseman... and you just described DH5. As rebooted by Platinum Dooms. Directed by Nispel, produced by Bay. The world implodes in the legendary Maelstrom of Suck.
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it fits the condition the franchise has come into.
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Just watched him cloq a guy in 500, i'd like to see him in another mainstream fliq, what with Inception coming this summer.
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Joseph Gordon Levitt I love your delivery!
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Feb. 23, 2010, 7 p.m. CST
They should get Martin Campbell or Pierre Morel to direct it
by superunknown85
No more music video-turned-director hacks like Len Wiseman. While we're at it, no Justin Long, no Kevin Smith, no stupid sidekick, no CGI action sequences, and no more of that freerunning crap.
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whether Sly is in talks to direct the next Die Hard movie or not? There are a bunch of rumors and isn't AICN supposed to get to the bottom of some of these? Harry and sly are "buddies", right? Or is that a one way relationship that is only for when Sly wants to snuggle up to Harry and cry about a mediocre review?
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Did you know marshmallows used to be hand-made? <p>It's true, they were lovingly crafted by hand, it took time and care and just the right amount of real vanilla and cane sugar. Each one was hand cut and set to cool slowly, giving them the perfect flavor and texture. They were a true confection, even if they were just sugary trivialities when all was said and done.<p>Flash forward, and big corporations came in and said "we can make these marshmallows for the masses! We can make them more profitable and faster and more available, it'll be great," and they brought in their machines and their artificial flavors and their corn syrup, and started mass-producing something that had only a vague similarity to the original confection known as the marshmallow. Instead, this new thing was a cheap, pale, sloppy imitation that was dumbed down so as to appeal to the poor masses. <p>Eventually, as time passed, the masses became entirely used to these so-called 'marshmallows' and completely forgot about the real treat of its origin. Generation after generation grew up with marshmallows that were made quickly and cheaply by a machine, spit lazily into great bags and sold for pennies. Eventually, these marshmallows were not even complex enough to be seen as a treat of their own, but only as an addition to finer treats that needed a simple, spongy topping. None the less, these marshmallows had finally become ubiquitous. <p>Some day, in a few generations, everything that was good and great and just simple, even stupid fun about the 20th century will be rehashed by the corporations now running Hollywood in the same manner so that the originals won't even be remembered, and their pale imitators will be flavorless pap, now entirely devoid of meaning, simply another bland product suckering people into spending quick money without any originality.
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You know you want it.
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I'm not saying do a cooker cutter remake of the original, but let's get back to "Die Hard on a..." There is more energy and more tension when McClane is stuck in a somewhat confined location. A high rise. Excellent. Even an airport during a snowstorm. Works for me. Live Free and Die Hard was okay, but it could have been any character in that situation. Vengeance suffered from the same. Only Die Hard moment in Vengeance was the elevator scene (same for (Live Free and Die Hard too). Get back to the original a bit. Homage it. Take a different angle. Don't jump ship and go global, having McClane running around some foreign country. Who gives a shit? McClane is an American hero. Write another suspense movie with a different character and do that. But for a fifth Die Hard, challenge yourself and find a creative way to take another angle on the single location confinement. Even if you do it in a single building again. Pirates? Topical. Not Johnny Depp pirates mind you. That's as global as it should get.
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Sequels. They can make 15 of these movies and everyone would be good. Others would be : Bourne Movies Rambo Movies Thats it.
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Give The Rock a chance to really take on the Arnold mantle. And I want a new True Lies. Cameron would never direct it of course, maybe someone younger like McG. hehe just kidding.
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The peril is looooooong since gone from DIE HARD. They have morphed from an everyman in peril to comic book stupidity. The only way they can bring credibility back is to have McClane have one of his legs blown off and have to cauterize himself with gunpowder, then go crawling off into the desert to excape Al Quada, eating scorpians and having to drink his own piss to survive. That would be true to the original. Make that flick and you create instant buzz and must see.
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And McClane going global? Weren't the first two movies about being trapped with a bunch of terrorists in, like, confined spaces?
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make it christmas again too
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Snap!
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After coming in here pimpin die soft 4 as being as good as die hard 1 and then going "fuck all yall im out" after a bit, you are a chazzwollaper. Come to think of it i never even liked Bruce's entire screen persona as it is. Even in Die Hard 1 i wanted Hans to ice that annoying cuntsmack.
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And he has to protect a witness, when the facility is under siege from bad guys. Stop this "bigger and bigger playground" shit, Die Hard 4 suffered a lot from it. Make it personal again.
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He has work colleagues? and celebs who ring him up like jim cameron. and he has his wife and she is a friend. thats one friend.
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In case anyone was wondering, there's only one good Die Hard, the first one, and it hasn't aged well.
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I might be wrong, but...
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it didn't. nope!
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Will somebody allow this franchise to die an honourable death? We can all pretend the 4th never existed. But the studios aren't helping.
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... and hire the girly haired emo dude from LOST? And also hire bob orci to write it and JJ Abrams to direct it? Why the fuck not, hem? GAYS FOR JAYJAY, come out of the closet and say what you really want to say. Fucking do it already!
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But this old school Die hard fan was promised an old school return. it didn't happen. Now i know they can still shoot films to make them look like the old die hard films. they didn't do it with die hard 4. THAT to me is an epic fail.
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It would be the ultimate "action hero in a confined space battling bad dudes" movie since ever.
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Three words: Zombie Hans Grueber! And Al Leong as the candy-bar-munching, long-haired but bald zombie Asian baddie.
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John McClaine: The Last Years.
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I have seen him in movies since THE DEER HUNTER. Dude should be in all action movies.
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Feb. 24, 2010, 6:07 a.m. CST
4 was too weak and flashy. McClane needs his balls back.
by Mr Nicholas
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Feb. 24, 2010, 6:09 a.m. CST
Is it true, there are people who mistale DIE HARD 4.0...
by AsimovLives
... for a good movie? Why I'm even suprised? People liked JJ Abrams's TWILIGHT TREK, i should be expecting this too! No accounting for tastes indeed!
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Script by Shane Black, David Twoy and Andrew Kevin Walker.
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What a fucking joke, a watered down PG-13 sequel of an R rated movie trilogy. I eventually watched the unrated DVD version, which was still too timid compared to the first three movies, but I didn't pay for that either. They alienated a life-long Die Hard fan by being PG-13 pussies.
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They know action…
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Good, straight-up action. They actually don't make enough 'pure' action movies. The PG-13 rating didn't hurt it, DH 1 is pretty tame in terms of violence
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...whatever the flaws of Die Harder, and DH3: WAH could sustain the energy of the first hour (the entire film is still great fun) the Die Hard trilogy is fantastic- the first one is really an action classic...the fourth really does not feel like a DH film, I love Bruce but he seemend off, the watered down approach did not work- I would love to see a another decent entry, wife beater, hard R, raw action and fight scenes, not going to happen...sigh...
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...base the fifth film on source material, the orignal film was based on novel Nothing Lasts Forever, Roderick Thorpe I believe, the character was called Joe Leland in books, the sequel to the novel call The Detective, film version starred Frank Sinatra, wore the wife beater, smoked etc- make the fifth film an up to date iteration of The Detective, make it set before DH4 so Bruce is balding not bald, wife beater shirt etc- please!!!!!!!!!!
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All the rest of them have sucked mightily. And it's because they've all strayed from the original formula... A lone man against a group of terrorists. Do that in Paris on the Eiffel Tower (and then have Superman come in at the last minute to save Lois Lane) and you'll have something.
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please reboot it!! ... go global!... sounds like bruce made a joke and we have yet another fake non story merrik fell for... 2 in one night!. Go Merrik! Go!!
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Unofficial die hard film!
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To mention Star Trek in a thread that has absolutely nothing to do with ST. You never disappoint my friend...LOL.<P>Like I said in an earlier post in this TB...if they HAVE to make another DH film, make Nakatomi the bad guys, have McClane fighting the bad guys without knowing that Nakatomi in fact are the bad guys and that his involvement is helping their evil plans not hindering them. I think that could be kinda cool.
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McClain is just a guy at the wrong place at the wrong time. and there will be broken bones and bullet wounds in heads. <p>It doesn't need to be end of the world stuff. it needs to be a nice isloated incident - the bad guys try to do a simple operation until Mclain interviens and causes billions of dollars worth of destruction. <p>and Asimov... Jesus man, your still cheerleading the Trek is shit. dude, i just watched it the other day, it's STILL fucking awesome!!
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Well, the only way they could redeem themselves is if it were harder edged. Making it a little more 80s action movie wouldn't be a bad thing. The only props I would give Live Free is that in the end it found a pretty cool way for John to pop off Yippie Ki-Yay once more.
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Clarance Gilyard plays Cleo, the wise-cracking computer hacker, just out of prison, and looking for revenge! He brings along that one terrorist McClain knocks out and his boss from Walker: Texas Ranger...Chuck Norris! Chuck vs. McClain! Greenlight that puppy!
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I would hate to disapoint you, friend. But D. Vader would understand my jab at Abrams, LOST and the girly haired dude that stars in it, becaus ehe named huim as a good choice to play snake Plissken in a ESCAPE FROM NEW YORK remake. Which i laughed. As you cna see, IT IS INTERRELATED.<br><br>And making the Nakatomi the bad guys is a bad iddea, i'm affraid. If the first movie has a virtue, is that the corporation is actually the victim, not the victimizer. I say this is good not because i support multinational corporations, because i don't (unless it's HONDA... long story), but because nowdays they are a tired cliche villain. The only way you could make a corporation work as a villain nowdays would be to make an action movie version of THE PARALAX VIEW, and keep with the bleak depressing downer ending. otherwise, it's coup-out-ville and brainless stupidity of the type JJ Abrams and Michael Bay likes to imbue to all his work.
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Feb. 24, 2010, 9:21 a.m. CST
There are two things needed for this to work.....
by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks
John McTiernan. <p> An undead Micheal Kamen. <p> Otherwise it's fuckin useless just like Die Hard 4.0.
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Feb. 24, 2010, 9:27 a.m. CST
Die Hard 2 is just a pass because of Micheal Kamen
by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks
some nice action aside, it is a terrible film. Full of plot contrivances and shitty coincidences it still gets repeated viewings by me because Kamen kicks so much fucking ass! The music in McClane Vs Plane is fucking insane.
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So you dont like my idea....sniff sniff....lol....it's all good, never said I could write an action movie plot...now gimme a shot at a sci-fi film I may fare better. BTW, saw Avatar the other night finally.
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Fuck, i forgot about JJ Abrams's TWILIGHT TREK. Small wonder people think TWILIGHT HARD 4 is a good movie.
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The movie that finally hammered to my mind that Renny Harlin is a terrible dumb fucking hack. Screw that hack and screw that fucking movie he made. There's no Die Hard 2, there's only DIE HARD and DIE HARD WITH A VENGENCE.
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So, what's your thoughs of Cameron's latest?
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... anybody who thinks JJ Abrams's TWILIGHT TREK is a better movie then AVATAR is a fucking retard. I'll repeate this as many times as it takes.
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... anybody who thinks JJ Abrams's TWILIGHT TREK is a better movie then AVATAR is a fucking retard. I'll repeate this as many times as it takes.
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...DIE HARD; DIE HARD WITH A VENGENCE; THE LAST BOY SCOUT OR 16 BLOCKS (obviously both slightly reworked)- one can dream...
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Why would Takagi Jr be pissed off at John McClaine? That makes no fucking sense! listen, unlike what JJ Abrams's TWLIGHT TREK taugh you, villains ACTUALLY NEED TO HAVE A LOGICAL REASON for their scheme and actions. What you want to do to Die Hard? You want to put another JJ Abrams' TWILIGHT TREK's Nero as the villain of a Die Hard movie? You want to turn Die Hard into a bigger parody then it already became? Show some respect, man!
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You would though tha,t wouldn't you? i mean, you want to have a another JJ's Trek Nero as a villain of a Die hard movie. It makes sense you would rather like JJ's retard piece of shit movie as opposed to the much better and smarter AVATAR, a movie made by a filmmaker with real talent and intelligence. You brought this unto yourself, friend.
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I enjoyed it immensely. I went in very skeptical, but Pandora won me over. It is not his best work (I would probably say The Abyss was but that's just IMO) but definitely a great achievement in visual effects, and even though the story was weak (but told in a grand manner that's why it gets a pass), the rest of the movie was pretty damned awesome. Saldana was great, Sigourney was great, but she is like that in pretty much anything she does IMO, Lang was a superb military scumbag and I was rooting for his demise LOL. Ribisi reminded me of Carter Burke from Aliens a bit but thats a small gripe. Worthington was...Worthington. He wasn't terrible, but not outstanding either. He played the part fine, but did not play it well enough that I could not see another actor do the part just as easily. Oh and gotta give a nod to Rodriguez her part was small but I liked her, especially her "oops" during the big battle.<P> Now I would like to see Cameron actually write a really good story for this world he has created. I understand that this film was more a visual effect bonanza but now that he has shown us what can be done, i expect his second Avatar film to be much richer story wise. Over all I give it an 8 out of 10.
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Don't know what I would want there. The Gruber boys were the best of the series. Sadler was ok in DH2, but Olyphant in 4 was just weak. I'd like to say I wanna see a baddie in the Gruber tradition, but I don't want a copy of them either. They have done 2 robberies, a drug lord escape and a country meltdown. You don't wanna go too over the top and get into cheesy territory. Whomever does this needs to have a great baddie at the center or else it just wont work. <P>Maybe, an even better idea would be....just don't make another one.
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It's a sad thing that action movies have became so lame and pussified that even a dumb shit like THE LAST BOY SCOUT would now be considered a paradogm and example of action moviemaking! How more fucking lame can it get?
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Bullshit, I just watched it again last week and it is just as kick as as it ever was. Alan Rickman is flat out awesome in that film. I know a lot of people will always remember him as Snape from HP, but not me, to me he will always be Hans Gruber. "Mr. Takagi...I could talk about industrialization and men's fashions all day but im afraid work must intrude"....just damn classic.
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I love that movie but have never considered it an action movie. More of a buddy/comedy/crime film. Just because there are some action sequences don't mean it's an action movie.
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Feb. 24, 2010, 10:44 a.m. CST
"Due to the Nakatomi Corporation's legacy of greed about the glo
by rogueleader66
they are about to be taught a lesson in the real use of power....you will be witnesses." Doesn't get better than that.
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I agree with you that Stephnen Lang was magnificent in AVATAR. I'm quite happy that he's getting a renascence of his movie career of late. He was also hillarious in THE MEN WHO STARE AT GOATS.<br><br>Unlike many, i don't think the story of AVATAR is weak. I'm simple, yes, but not dumb. Contrary to many, i don't like Saldana's job in the movie much, because, frankly, she's just playing a guetto princess with an attitude but disguised as an big cat. My greatest gripe with the movie is that the aliens, specially the Na'vi, aren't that alien. they are human-like through and through, specially in personality, which should had been as alien as their bobies should be. Which aren't. The Na'vi aren't that alien. I go specially harsh on this criticism of the movie because Cameon deliberatly tries to go closest to hard-SF as he can with the scenario of his story. If he wants to go a road closer to realism, then it stands to reason that his aliens should had follow that sense of realism and be TRULY ALIEN. Also, many pandorian aliens are just earth animals but shuffled, like a mix of a rhino with a hammerhead shark head. Worst is the vegeration, which is fully Earth-like, only bigger.<br><br>That said, i consider the movie to be the ovious work of an intelligent man. It shows. The story is simple, yes, but it's also very intelligently told. The story itself is smart. It's just simple. and simple doesn't necessarily mean simplsitic. Cameron achieved that, to told a simple, not simplistic, story. And that's harder then most think.<br><br>Eve with my misguivings of the movie, i think AVATAR is truly a good movie, and one of the only 3 good SF movies made and released in 2009. The others being, of course, DISTRICT 9 and MOON. If anything, Cameron teached those untalented stupid hacks like Bay and Abrams how blockbusters are made. Of course, those stupid iditos will not learn the real lesson, and all they will take from it is that moveis need to be done in 3-D. And this is not just me joking about, it's true, Abrams and Bay have already anounced their next movies of their respective SF Saga Of Dumb will be in 3-D, namely, SHITFORMERS 3 and TWILIGHT TREK 2.
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C'mon, man, what you think THE LAST BOYSCOUT is? A drama? Actually, IT SHOULD HAD BEEN A DRAMA. That scene with Willis and the little kid, when they shout at each other, is such a strong and formidable, scene, it deserves to be in a much better movie. LBS is an action movie. a typical 80s glossy action movie. a fucking dumb action movie. With one brillant dramatic scene inbetween.<br><br>As for the duialogue in DIE HARD, indeed that movie as EXQUISITE dialogue. And in a stroke of genious, they hired a great shakespearean actor, Alan Rickman, to deliever the best speaches. and he does so with relish, and he steals the movie from everybody. He is such a powerhouse in the movie, evne McTiernan has said he thinks Rickman's Hans Gruber is the real main character of the movie. I understand him perfectly. Hitchcock once said that thrillers are only as good as their villains. DIE HARD proves that in spades. Truly, for all it's qualities, and the movie has many, without Alan Rickman we wouldn't be talking about DIE HARD today. Hell, the only reason today we talk about kevin costner and kevin reynold's ROBIN HOOD: PRINC EOF THIEVES movie is because of Alan Rickman. I rest my case.
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Nice try, not cigar. Stick with your Abrams' EMO PUSSY TWILIGHT TREK instead.
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True the story of Avatar was simple but yet not simplistic and the fact that he told such a simple story in such a grand way speaks volumes about the man as a film maker.<P>Could not agree with you more on your assessment of Robin Hood. While I like the movie ok, Rickman brought it up to a level it really didn't deserve to be at. Like I said I liked it and all and truth be told its star was the weak point of the film. Rickman and Freeman carried that film. Costenr is an ok actor, but he was completely wrong for the role of Robin Hood and IMO that's what really brings the film down. Although i do love the line from Robin "Nobility is not a birthright, it is defined by one's actions" truer words were never spoken.
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It still plays like gangbusters. <p> Its best sequel, Die Hard With a Vengeance, also still plays great, but that's maybe because I'm a New Yorker and I love how 'New Yawk' the movie feels. Plus, that scene where Willis takes out the five bad guys in the elevator in the Fed Reserve building is classic.
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McClane's lil girl and allen's son from part 1 (still in the womb @ that point) can announce their engagement. Whereas dh4 was an "analog hero in a digital world" scenario, we see mcclane coping with his hatred towards minorities while trying to get his head round the faqt that there's a mixed president in the whitehouse. Sam jaqson can appear, but not as zeus, but as his charaqter from lakeview terrace, and he's aqtually HELPING MCCLANE because he doesn't like race mixing either. Oh and blow a lot of $&^% up and you've got something to rival avatar!
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Blankman is a distant second.
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... in an effort to try and get some gullible studios suits to buy into the idea; nothing more.
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as I've said before "PG-13 is the cancer that is killing action movies"
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I fucking loved that guy, but his lame, rolling over for the studios is embarrassing. Get your balls back son.
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Hell, it wasn't even a Die Hard movie to begin with. It was a Lethal Weapon rejected script where Willis and Jackson were substituted for Gibson and Glover. Any two buddies could have filled those roles, it didn't feel like it was a continuation of the first two movies.<p> Die Hard 2 came the closest to matching the feel of the original Die Hard. Some argue that Die Harder was too much like the first, but that's a positive in my book. The ejector seat escape is a classic that's been copied in many other films since.
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Feb. 24, 2010, 2:01 p.m. CST
No, the Die Hard 3 script began life as a script for
by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave
a Brandon Lee vehicle called 'Simon Says', THEN it was retrofitted into a possible Lethal Weapon 4 script, THEN into the script for Die Hard 3. All of which means very little in my book. None of the Die Hard movies have been 'Die Hard movies' by that logic - the orginal two were based on two entirely unrelated thriller novels called 'Nothing Lasts Forever' and '58 Minutes', the first being earlier adapted into a Frank Sinatra starring film called 'the Detective', and both later adapted to include the character of John McClane. Live Free was originally a magazine article about computer terrorism which was then adapted into a spec screenplay about this subject, and later changed to include 'Die Hard' elements and characters.<p>Die Hard 1 and 3 make a pair as far as I'm concerned - two great McTiernan directed action films that seem to share the same feel and, despite some outlandishness, seem gritty and real. 2 and 4, on the other hand, also seem like a pair - generic, anonymous, glossy action movies by journeyman directors.
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DH3 was a spec script by Jonathan Hensleigh called SIMON SAYS where the villain Simon has the generic cop lead run all over the city defusing bombs, solving riddles etc while Simon robbed the bullion. Nothing to do with LW - though the LW production team may have looked at it with a view to option it in the way the DH team did.<P> Happens more than you'd think. The novel DH is based on, NOTHING LASTS FOREVER, is one of many by Roderick Thorp based around his character Joe Leland, who is also the main character in the novel THE DETECTIVE, which was made into a movie with - I shit you not! - Frank Sinatra as the movie version of Joe Leland (can't remember the guy's name in the movie). DIE HARD 2 is based on a novel called 58 MINUTES by Walter Wager, and the cop is called Frank Malone. DIE HARD 4 is a generic piece of shit that I think was once an original spec script (I believe it was called FIRE SALE) before it got optioned / bastardised by the DH team into the first pussified DH movie.<P> Asi, you have no fucking idea. DH2 was a GREAT movie - particularly compared to LIVE FREE OR SUCK HARD. And don't make us all embarrass you again about how wrong you are re that LOST guy and the ESCAPE FROM NEW YORK remake. Josh Holloway is the only logical choice to play Snake, and everyone but you - and your "I must say the opposite of the status quo because that's just WHO I AM" attitude - sees this.
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You got there first. And ou're fucking right, too.
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A DH movie without the trademark catch phrase? No profanity? No blood? The 5th, if it happens, needs to give McClane his balls back.
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Get Mclane back on his own in DH 5.
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More than the third one, even. I love Samuel Fucking Jackson as much as the next guy, but that movie felt totally forced. Never been a big fan of the third installment. The fourth one, on the other hand, coming so many years later was MILES better than it deserved to be. I've actually re-watched it several times. I dig it.
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McClane loses his badge and can't get new health care due to pre-existing conditions. "Yippee-ki-yay, Pelosi!"
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I go into the "R" box and grandpa takes little Jimmy and Janey into the "PG."
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"I'm going to count to three, there will not be a four. Give me the hair. "
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You can have your opinion ... but don't act like your opinion is fact. Fuck that.<P>Die Hard WAV is solid entertainment. Sam Jackson and Bruce Willis are excellent playing off each other in that one. And the opening scene with McClane in Harlem took some balls to put on screen. The weakest part is Jeremy Irons in my opinion, but he is better than the pussy in LFODH. The dude that mentioned that you need a solid villian speaks the truth. Rickman as Gruber is and was one of the best villians ever put on film. Order from best to worst:<P>Die Hard (motherfucking of course)<BR>DH WAV<BR>LFODH<BR>Die Harder
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Bruce - please kill the film if it ends up watered down. I liked LFODH, but felt it didn't match the rawness of the first one. The fight on the stairwell in Die Hard (McClane vs Karl fight) was brutal and raw, needs to be more of that in DH5 if it is made.
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-bruce willis needs to bring his a game(he always does in this franchise) -a good actor to play a great villian(oliphant was cool but not as great as allen rickman) - R RATING!!!!!!! (even though i liked live free or die hard, where was the full line, i want to hear YIPPE KI YAY MOTHER FUCKER, GREATEST LINE EVER) i would like to see john mctierman back directing
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"And don't make us all embarrass you again about how wrong you are re that LOST guy and the ESCAPE FROM NEW YORK remake. Josh Holloway is the only logical choice to play Snake, and everyone but you - and your "I must say the opposite of the status quo because that's just WHO I AM" attitude - sees this."<p> Dude, I have no idea what the fuck you're babbling about. I've never discussed ESCAPE FROM NEW YORK with anyone on this site. You must have me confused with someone else you stalk on the talkbacks.<p> And Die Harder still kicks WAV's ass. Only a johnny-come-lately fan could love the jumbled mess that was DH3.
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That aloen justifies its existance.
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"Avatar has way more in common with Twilight"<br><br>This said by a guy who liked JJ Abrams' TWILIGHT TREK???<br><br>AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!<br><br>*pause for breath*<br><br>AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!<br><br>THAT IS SO FUCKING HYSTERICAL!!!!
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I do have a very good idea how fucking horrible and a piece of shit DIE HARD 2 fucking is. That movie is a fucking abomination. It's stupidity in movie form. It's the type of fucking movie that gave way for the fuck ups like Michael Bay and the like. It was for nothing that until Bay showed up, Renny Harlin was my most hated director. Fuck Harlin and fuck Die Hard 2 and all that bullshit. Die Hard 2 is not deserving of the title, not in comparison to the first movie. Small wonder the 3rd movie even pretends the "second" movie never happened, as it should.
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And unlike the 2rd movie, doesn't need to repeat the "action happening in a enclosed space" to work. DH3 tells it's own story, which wile making cool references to the first movie, doesn't repeat the format, unlike the imaginationless piece of shit Die Hard 2.<br><br>And DIE HARD 4 is a poor's man copy of DIE HARD 3, only dumber and made more incompetently.
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I see you bleating on about Nerd Trek again, nearly a year after release. <P>And, by the way, as much as I liked it, Avatar was dumb as a sack of rocks. <P>I suggest you remove your pointy shit and semen encrusted dome from your pet goat's ass and try actually thinking.
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Eat shit and live.
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WILL WONDERS EVER CEASE? SMALL WONDER THAT HAPPENS!!! Nice to see some people stay true to their miserable trash dumb useless selfs. Fucking ass!
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Thanks to the whole "New york is a hostage" angle.
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1.DIE HARD <p>2.DIE HARD 3 <p>3.DIE HARD 2 <p>4.DIE HARD 4
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Don't be daft. It's unsubtle Iraq analogies, ridiculous hippy claptrap, latent racism, and rehashes of his other films. <P>Avatar is the very soul of Dumb Fun. The fact that you have to imagine some kind of intellect goes to show what a fucking laughable goatfucking poseur you are.
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btw you forgot the misogyny part.oh well.
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Never mind- point still well made. <P>I find it very, very strange that dickheads like Goatfucker can't own up to just enjoying a film, rather it has to be "intelligent" too.
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just making my point.cheerio.
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With all due respect ominus, you think AvP is good. Therefore your opinion is null and void. <P>I loved Avatar, but loved it for what it was, not what the likes of goatfucker think it is.
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yeah i know your logic of what is considered a valid opinion,just reached a paradox.its ok,is has happened before with greater minds.
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I liked both of them...loved Avatar in the theaters, and I thought it was the perfect movie for the theater going experience. It is, however, by no means a deep film and some of the dialog is really not that good. But the world that Jimmy created was quite fantastic, so all is forgiven. <p>Trek has never been deep to begin with, and the action in the new Star Trek was quite good. The performances mimicked the characters they were playing, however they fucked up Kirk/Spock relationship, which has always been the most important dynamic of the original Trek. <p>By having Spock be more human from the beginning (relationship, losing it on the bridge), I feel it defeats the whole going-forward aspect of the Kirk/Spock relationship.
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