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‘This Is My Friend!!’ LOST 6.5!!
SPOILER ALERT !!
I am – Hercules!!
The big news this week is Maggie Grace has finally signed on to reprise the role of Shannon this season. Since Carlton Cuse twittered last week that he was rewriting 6.15, I guess it’s safe to assume she’ll be turning up in one or more of the series’ final four hours.
“Lost,” like everything else, was hammered last week by NBC’s Olympics, but it remains ABC’s top show:
ABC shows in 18-49 (ranked by last new episode; older episodes in parentheses; repeats in grey):
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Last week UnLocke made James Ford climb down a scary ladder while Real Locke got a job teaching gym and biology alongside coffee achiever Ben Linus.
4: Locke
8: Reyes
15: Ford
16: Jarrah
23: Shephard
42: Kwon
No number for Austen, even though Kate got to go back to 1977, so maybe girls aren’t permitted in Jacob’s clubhouse.
Why did UnLocke pummel Oceanic 815 pilot Seth Norris to death?
Remember when nutty Danielle Rousseau referred to Smokezilla as the island’s “security system”? Remember how Ben summoned Smokezilla to provide protection against Widmore’s goons?
ABC says of tonight’s episode, titled “Lighthouse”:
Hurley must convince Jack to accompany him on an unspecified mission, and Jin stumbles across an old friend. Guest starring are Veronica Hamel as Margo Shephard, Mark Pellegrino as Jacob, Hiroyuki Sanada as Dogen, Dayo Ade as Justin, Dylan Minnette as David and Sean Kinerney as Japanese boy. Written by Damon Lindelof & Carlton Cuse and directed by Jack Bender.
9 p.m. Tuesday. ABC.
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$4.99 DVD!!
$9.99 Blu-ray!!
HD Luca Brasi!!
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1.7 (2.9) (2.7) (1.6) (1.7) (2.1) (2.6) (1.2) (1.8) (1.6) (2.5) (2.0) (1.7) (2.4) (-----) (1.8) (2.2) (2.0) (2.1) (2.1) (2.6) (----) The Middle
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is tonight a Jack-centric episode?...I ask because I see Jack's mother listed on the guest starring list
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since Season 2. I watched seasons 3,4 and 5 in large blocks when the seasons were over.
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How soon before the trolls show up on this post and start bashing the episode before it even airs?
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Bring it on!! And when do we see Zombies??!?!?!?
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Here's a link to a blog by a guy who's never seen LOST before and is starting with season 6.http://neverseenlost.wordpress.com/ (remove spaces)The guy is a douche but its still pretty funny.
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And well done Dapper!
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Feb 23, 2010 2:30:48 AM CST
for Herc, remember when I answered both of your questions
by billboefett
both of your silly questions, with a little bit of thought? 1. Remember when nutty Danielle Rousseau referred to Smokezilla as the island’s “security system”? Yup, sure do. And we saw, in 1988, where she got that from. From her french husband who had been changed/claimed and tried to kill her, saying "it's not a monster, its a security system". So, the tainted enemy, who was in collusion with Smokey, said those words. Remember how Ben summoned Smokezilla to provide protection against Widmore’s goons? Yup, Smokie needed to keep on his charade of playing the dumb animal who could be somewhat controlled, to ensure his long con against Locke, using Ben, would work. Island moved = time travel = verification of Locke as 'special' = Locke leaves the island = Locke dies = Smokie takes his form, gets jealous Ben to kill Jacob. Herc, try putting on your thinking cap next time.
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The week went rather quick this time. Excellent. Having my favourite show as a mid-week pick-me-up is just wonderful.
Also gives me an excuse to have all the friends over mid-week. Good times. The world is going to be a darker place once Lost is finished. I don't even want to think about it. -
So can we be friends this week? I feel a hot-tubbin comin on in Oregon, whaddya say? We may even get lucky and find a Hot Tub Time Machine and get to hot-tub back to when the statue was destroyed!
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I cannot wait for this. Jack episode will probably be awesome--looking forward to seeing what Jack is up to in this "ALT" timeline that isn't an alternate timeline at all, me thinks. Maybe we'll get some answers as to the situation with Christian's coffin
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Is that who I think it is behind Charlie and Hugo? Nice.
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Did they skin out the polar bear yet?
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Asked after ya last week.. needed a weapons and ammo confirm.. and well.
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no its not on anymore... this as all an Illllllluuuuusion!
btw if a crazy guy runs out of the woods wearing a polar bear carcass at some point in the remaining episodes... I won't be seen here again, I will have died laughing. =P -
I love Lost and so far have been pretty much loving this season, although not as much as Season 5.
I'm getting a little bit worried however that basically Seasons 2-5 are somewhat irrelevant (with the exception perhaps of 'The Incident'). It seems a little like they could have skipped straight from Season 1 to Season 6, ignoring the everything in the middle (leaving the island, coming back, etc) and not too much would be different.
Lost is good at changing perspective each season and letting us see the bigger picture. Now we know it's really all about Jacob and MIB fighting over people, it makes the events up till now a little bit meaningless. Enjoyable TV nonetheless, but I wonder if we go back and watch it at the end whether most of it will seem a bit irrelevant after Season 6. I hope I'm proved wrong on this one though.. -
I know what you mean but you could argue that seasons 2 and 3 set up the others, season 4 Widmore and season 5 dharma initiative, all important details relating to the island and ultimately since the show is all about fate and destiny part of the point is that no matter how hard they tried to leave the island they would always end up at thie point (season 6) beacause it was how things were supposed to happen.
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The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!
Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun
The frumious Bandersnatch!
videmus nunc per speculum in enigmate tunc autem facie ad faciem nunc cognosco ex parte tunc autem cognoscam sicut et cognitus sum...
Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.
Lordy...I swear we alllll gonna wake up in a chair on 22 September 2004, holding a black kitten and a white kitten, wonderin .."LOST... now what the Hell was that all about." ...ex parte enim cognoscimus, et ex parte prophetamus.
And LOST haters, they did know what they were doing, where they we going.. taking us all. The Powers That Be. Gave it away. Season 1. Episode 1. 4 minutes in. 4 Dimensional Taijitu. -
1-Ben, 2-Locke, 3-Desmond, 4-Sawyer, 5-Sayid, 6-Juliet, 7-Hurley, 8-Jack, 9-Kwons, 10-KateOf course, Faraday, Claire (if only for the Goth version), Charlie, etc. fit in somewhere, too, but these are just off the top of my head, and there are no hard and fast rules.
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LOCKE: The night that Boone died... I went out there and started pounding on it as hard as I could. I was... confused... scared. Babbling like an idiot, asking, why was all this happening to me?
SAWYER: Did you get an answer?
LOCKE: Light came on, shot up into the sky. At the time, I thought it meant something.
SAWYER: Did it?
LOCKE: No. It was just a light.
SAWYER: So why'd you turn us around then? Don't you wanna go back there?
LOCKE: Why would I wanna do that?
SAWYER: So you could tell yourself to do things different, save yourself a world of pain.
LOCKE: No, I needed that pain to get to where I am now...
..and ain't that just LOST. Ain't it just. -
more Pseudo-incestuious shinanigans! whos left out now? (apart from Eko).
we may even get an answer to the looney Libby situation, yayyy -
Fair point. Obviously without the intermediate seasons, our characters wouldn't be who they were now, and I think the Flash-Sideways emphasises that.
I think, for me at least, I will be a little bit disappointed if events such as blowing up the Hatch or the fighting between Widmore and Ben have no significance on the BIG picture between Smokey and Jacob.
It's like that line from Jacob to Ben 'What about you?' in which it seems like everyone is just a pawn to their game. Would I would like to see is that the stuff these pawns have been up to has actually had major implications for Jacob/Smokey. -
"I just think that when you start to get a sense of what somebody tick and you realize that that clock is kind of ticking out of whack, that's scary," Haley says. "That scares me in this world. You know what I mean? Sometimes when you just run across people that seem to be tracking on a different kind of cord and something's up. To me, that seems more scary. There's even more uncertainty knowing that whoa, something's driving this and it's real and it's…you know what I mean? But it's just not making any real sense. You know it makes sense to him though and that's what's scary about it."
Keep in mind that's Jackie Earle Haley talking about Freddie Kruger. Does make me think of MacFaux almost immediately though.
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I just thought that was kinda funny. Just a joke MacFaux. Back to LOST.
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Feb 23, 2010 5:35:19 AM CST
macfaux post 1, whackadoo. Post 2, Topical and insightful!
by champvinyl
he hits about 50/50 i figure =P
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it's true for every season. Desmond episodes reveal a lot.
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Isn't that one at least a little obvious at this point Herc? He was not supposed to be there. Frank was. Frank would not have been killed. Just as Frank has not, since coming to the island, been killed, if he had come on the original 815, Smokie woulnd't have rocked him like he did Seth. As to specifically why, as in what role Frank plays that he needs to be there...we don't know yet. But the fact that everyone else from the freighter is fucking dead, and he isnt, I'm going to guess he plays a larger role in some events to come. I just thought it became obvious after awhile that Smokie killed Seth because he wasn't Frank. He was never supposed to be there.
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She went out of her way to cut and paste, or at least I hope she cut and pasted, if she typed that all out again.. welll. woo.
She posted in multiple nodes, the same exact post as above...
Previously on 'STALK':
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Feb 22nd, 2010 01:55:16 PM
I did not reply to the last one. Nor will I reply to Crow3711 going forward...or the other trolls surely coming. But please, all note and witness, unprovoked, she couldn't let this talk back go past 40 posts before so badly needing attention that she had to go spamming the nodes lookin for ..God, Allah, the Easter Bunny knows.
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thats what i thought as well, thought that was pretty much cleared up a long time ago.
I kinda see this whole thing now as a series of reoccuring games between jacob/mib,esau,whomever... now depending on what game they're playing there could have been a number of stalemates through the years (presumably every game has been a stalemate), what happens to the "players"? might explain alot about how all these different people ended up stranded, maybe lapidus is one of the next batch. Poor bastard, should have torn up his pilots license -
And no one was there yesterday. It just sounds like you. Everyone says we know you make sense to yourself, but almost none of us can get anything out of your crazy posts. I wasn't attacking you at all. I'm not a she or a troll, obviously, considering how often I'm here. I'm sorry. I'm pathetically unfunny.
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holy crap you need to lighten up, you can't have it both ways... either you're the lost tb insane savant, or some sort of pretentious scholar... you don't get to have your cake and eat it too
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i like to think of the game as GO rather than Chess... esp given the whole "claiming" thing.
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That's one thing I still don't understand. Do you guys remember the episodes surrounding that encounter? First, Ben, faced with possible death, still INSISTS he knows nothing about the monster one episode. The next episode, he disappears into a room hidden inside a Dharma house (which never made sense to me...did Dharma know about it? Did the others build the hidden room after the took over post-purge? Why is that room in Dharma-ville?) pulls the plug on an ancient toilet, and Smokie comes charging in Freight Train style, like we've never seen. Then Ben says he lied about the Monster. Except..clearly he really didnt, cause he obviously doesn't know a fucking thing about Smokie/MiB or even Jacob. That whole series of events is baffling. The real question comes to, was Smokie playing with them still and only came to their aid on his own accord, and the toilet was coincidence, or being a "prisoner" in some way, is he actually forced at times, when certain things happen, to go and protect and serve etc? I think his prisoner status has to have something to do with why he answered the toilet bowl, right?
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add it to the list, i had kinda forgotten about that one.
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is the chance of a Julie Bowen in panties scene. Damn she's a good looking lady.
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There was an episode where she came into her daughters room in just bra and panties and her daughters boyfriend was on Skype and could see her...excellent scene. I agree, she's a fine speciment.
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Although this season has focussed on Smokey the person, I think inherently he is still an 'it'. I think as Crow says, MIB is a prisoner.
MIB talked about being a man at one point. He probably died, and presumably the smoke monster took over his body in the way that he/it does. Somehow MIB managed to regain control over the monster and began to be able to do things his own way.
I would guess the smoke monster is there to protect Jacob, and while Jacob is alive, is bound to do so. Hence when Jacob dies, he is free, aslong as one of the candidates doesn't come and replace him. A bit like a genie stuck in the lamp.
From the last episode however it looks like John Locke's personality is still in there ('Don't tell me what I can't do" ) and may well prevail and take over in the way MIB did initially. Hmm...sounds a bit 'Being John Malkovich'. -
He's never told the truth once for the whole damn show, but now he's all droopy-drawered. He may not seem to be holding any cards but Ben Linus is a con-man supreme. He's playing one last long con. Question remains whether he's playing for the goodies or the baddies.
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Makes perfect sense. As one poster said above, it's all part of MIB's "long con." He needed to give Ben the perfect balance of both control and frustration, so that he would feel cheated by Jacob and willing to kill him when the con reached its climax.
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This show loves the mind-fuck, and I think Ben, at his core, always believed himself to be doing right, and he was manipulated. And that hurt him. Look at him, poor old sad sack. I don't thnk he likes UnLocke any more than we do. That shit scared him. I think he almost immediately regretted killing Jacob. He didn't understand what was happening, like a child, and he acted out of anger. Now hes feeling the consequences, and that is going to spur him into doing the right thing in the end. As "evil" as he is sometimes, I can't picture Ben joining Smokies side. Remember how much he cared about saving the island? How sad he was to have to leave? He's a decent man involved in something he never understood. Then again...he is a total psycho sometimes (Re: Goodwyn "Because You're Mine, Juliet.") Anyway, I can buy the storyline of Sawyer going down the bad path (even tho I think its a con, I hope I'm wrong in a way) but I can't really buy Ben. I think he'll end up going out of his way to redeem himself in the interest of the Island, and possibly end up joining his daughter in the clearing at the end of the path.
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It will soon become obvious why Frank is still floating around the island. He is there to fly everyone away in the shows finale. He’s just having a look around, waiting to see what’s happens next. He is essentially the voice of the audience at the moment and like any casual observer when the shit really starts hitting the fan he’s going to do what anyone here would do (if we could fly a plane that is) and that’s is “Im outa here! whos with me? No? see ya!” Not that he is a coward though, he will probably wait for people until the last second to take off while the island sinks/ disappears/ blows up/ levitates into space/ while smokey grabing people and triping people up while they run towards the planes closing doors/whatever. They have just enough runway to take of anyway don’t they…don’t THEY????) *biting nails at the edge of my seat in 14 weeks time*
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I kinda hope LOST doesn't end like your average 90s action movie war cliche....but thats just me.
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but ive a feeling something involving Frank and the 316 is being set up .( and by 'feeling' i mean set reports and spy evesdropping on scenes involving the good captain)
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im just wondering what the deal is with his 'tough' grooming of Desmond. He seemed genuinely relieved when he found out Desmonds bullet injury was not going to be fatal. And why was Des in prison that time?( it wasnt for going AWOL, before anyone says so! rewatch The constant episode where he tells Penny he has leave booked)
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Feb 23, 2010 7:07:02 AM CST
Is it possible new Locke is actually grooming Sawyer to be the n
by glue
Just a thought.
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...new Locke is actually grooming Sawyer to be the next Smoke monster?
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Of course. Anything is possible. It all depends on how much UnLocke was telling the truth. Me personally, I get the impression hes a big fat liar. The island does need protecting, for one, imo. Beyond that, the key to your query will be whether or not hes telling the truth about going home, and needing sawyer to go with him. He also seemed like he very much wanted Richard to go with him, which was a puzzling and beautiful moment. If he is lying, and the real key to his leaving is getting someone to take his place, then yea, I'd say its a fair possibility Sawyer is being groomed into being the next prisoner...if that is how the game works. Is the game infinite, and in order for old players to stop playing they have to find their own replacements? Or is it more than that, with a real endgame, and Jacob and MiB are the only real players? If its the latter, I'm going to say Sawyer won't end up a monster.
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...in another tb about "Brazil" and the differences between the 'happy' ending and the ending that Gilliam wanted, which is absolutely haunting and unforgettable.What type of ending does everyone want? A 'happy' ending with everyone having their lives fixed or a haunting ending, a la "Twin Peaks" (although with more resolution to the story).Not trolling or pushing one answer over the other, just interested how people would want the show to end.
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I was referring to the end of "Lost".
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My answer is: B. Haunting
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With you on that one Crow, really hope Lost doesn't end that way.
I don't see any of the characters from post season 1, surviving to the end, and could see both Sayid and Sawyer dying before the season is out. Per other comments could see Sawyer sacrificing himself as part of a con on Smokey.
One guess is would be that the survivors will be, Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sun and Jin, and also think Locke will be resurrected/white smokey right at the end to become the new Jacob.
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Feb 23, 2010 7:27:26 AM CST
watching season 4 final "it's an island John, no one needs to pr
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Locke answers "It's not an island. It's a place where miracles happen." .
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The manwhocan seems close to right about Frank but I'd change his theory some. Frank seems more likely to be around not to fly the Listies off but because MiB will need someone to fly him off if he's going to escape and Frank is the only pilot.
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would have there storys wrapped up neatly . the showrunners have been known to lie though. Maybe ABC will corrupt them with shit loads of sweet sweet cash to leave some plot treads open. Personally I would like a haunting/open to interpretation ending for at least a few characters but not if its leads the show a open for a shitty sequel in a few years time.
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MiB has some other way of getting off the island. Any theories on that? How is he going to try to leave?
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I think we're seeing the stories wrap up now in the alt-timeline. What will probably end up happening is that once it is all over they are returned mid-flight with memories erased and what happens in the LAX timeline happens after the events in the island timeline. Their reward in a way.
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I think. A few characters will have happy, satisfying ends (Desmond and Penny for one), other characters will have more ambiguous endings, and a few others will have utterly tragic endings (Jack, I think) A few of our people won't make it, one or two will offer great sacrifices to save their friends, and someone is going to get utterly and royally fucked over. I just think its going to be bittersweet, but more on the "haunting" side than the sweet happy side. More than any other descriptive word, I think it will be real, and human. Some things will be good, some things will be very sad, but in the end, the story will be told. In any medium, from film to literature to television, if you want your art to have a lasting and meaningful impression, you don't wrap things up one way or the other. It has to be complex, full of tragedy as well as triumph. Some characters just won't get their happy ending.
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Is there any object he must destroy to leave the island, something that sends out an energy of some sort, like a "magic" collar ?
Is there a special way for him to leave, a special door ?
The temple is the obvious place for these options.
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I predict this episode won't be as good as last week's, but will be better than 2 weeks ago. My crystal balls predict.
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Hearing that title brought this bit of dialogue to my head...
"I liked computers, communications equipment and being alone like a lighthouse keeper, so they put me in this station..."
Then I thought, damn, I really miss Mikhail. Wish he were still alive. Why did he have to go and willingly die for no apparent reason? Goddamn...I guess he was just a fucking badass.
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..wrote tonight's episode, so it should have some big questions answered!
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Or Darlton or Lindelcuse? Such a mystery!!
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I thought Des and Penny already had their happy ending .And now they are being dragged into the Islands bullshit again.My bet is Des does a Ben Sisko or Sam Becket by the shows end, like ive said before in earler talkbacks.Sawyer seems like he has a death wish and is a goner but I think Ben will steal his thunder and save his life and a few others while giving his own up in the process. Does anyone know about any upcoming MIB/Smokey centric episode. I wonder if he has a flash sideways too? Although that might be pushing things , then again...
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during a sunny day!It almost happened me once!
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the swan's electromagnet is the first thing i thought of that might send out some sort of energy on the island... that or the frozen donkey wheel 'pocket' the swan is there to either protect or control......
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clearly, when jack and hurley reach the lighthouse, the only thing there are gonna find there is leo dicaprio and ben kingsley having a very intense conversation....
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Maybe Smokey was lying when he said he was a man. Albert told Sawyer not to believe anything he says, he just wants everyone he cares about dead. Maybe if the Island and all of humanity are gone, he can be free because what ever function he serves will no longer be necessary.
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Lets hope Shang sun and Kenny Powers brother both get their asses handed to them by Team Smokey sooner rather than later. God they suck!
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wasn't the name of Eloise Hawking's crazy pendulum station the Lighthouse??? (the one in england)
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Feb 23, 2010 8:25:25 AM CST
If women weren't eligible, wouldn't which Kwon be obvious?
by useridgoeshere
Smokie says he doesn't know to which Kwon the name refers to. So Sun must have a shot, right?
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Feb 23, 2010 8:29:52 AM CST
the focault's pendulum was at Lamp post station in LA
by miyamoto_musashi
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I'm calling it right now that it's vincent.
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its going to be very hard to know from Smokey , whether we will get real answers or not, clearly he has his own agenda and like Ben he will lie to get what he wants
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I DIDNT SEE THAT? WHAT EPSIODE?
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With a....wait on it....a twist!
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I feel like his name must be on that ceiling, and he might've even had a visit from Jacob at some point. We've seen them in the same vicinity when he gave Jack the Apollo bar, at least. Wouldn't it be interesting if Jacob had met him earlier in Christian's life, and somehow sent him on the spiral that killed him/got him to the island? I think he'll end up more important than a face for MIB.
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has to be Sun.
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very first episode. when jack went to go and get the radio from the cockpit.
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I wasn't thinking to go back that far.Man,season 1 feels like a whole other beast to me by now(in comparison to the current season).
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Hurley and Charlie hitting a Dharma Bong. And exhaling the smoke monster. (Cheech & Chong make a cameo!)
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hopefully a Desmond scene as well.
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Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but does anyone else have a theory about what that sound is when, during the episode, the story switches from one storyline to another?? It sounds like metal creaking, i.e. a plane that just crashed that's sinking...
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That's pretty cool! I definitely remember the zombie, bc the last time I saw the movie, I made a note of how they made him "fly" after being hit by the car. Very cool that he was recognized in the theater. I'm sorry your friendship ended the way it did.
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and useful?
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We know that Smokey's had to obey a certain set of Rules for quite a while, so it's not to big a stretch to assume he can't kill people who aren't on any of Jacob's lists... and maybe he actually WANTS to kill everyone else.
Hence his coming to the aid of Ben and Company when "summoned" in 4.09 was really just a great opportunity for him to wreak havoc. Though also notice here that Keamy and Friends got away alright. Either Smokey decided he'd prefer to see them alive or else he can only make appearances in Smokey form for only a limited amount of time (this might make sense considering how sporadic/brief his appearances usually are).
Also note that when Ben "summoned" him with the toilet flush in 5.12, he didn't show up in Smokey form. So maybe the toilet flush is more a doorbell and it's up to him whether he answers.
As other have said here, I have a feeling killing the poor pilot was indeed a response to Lapidus not showing up on time. "Hey! That guy's not a candidate! Boo-yah!"
For an in-depth analysis of the mysteries explored in last week's "The Substitute," check out my LOST blog:
www.sagaciouspenguin.blogspot.com
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that he wanted to go home? Reason I ask is because maybe his home could be on the island he just needs help to get there. Doubtful but that thought just came to me.
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Smokey can only be contacted, if he's around, and told what the dealio is. In my mind, Ben went to his Smokey-phone and said "Help! There are bad men in the village trying to destroy the Island!" And Smokey came to the rescue. But I don't think Smokey is going to do everything Ben commands- "Hey, go kill those pple on the Beach." Smokey- "Go fuck yourself, I'm not your dog."
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...Could just be his meeting up with Claire like we saw at the end of last week's...
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Want to touch the heiney! Seriously, that scene where she walked in in her bra and panties... Spectacular.
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that the writers knew Smokie was going to be the MIB. It was just the Cerberus security system back in S4.
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It seems everyone needs a replacement... Locke was going to be Ben's replacement as Other leader. Claire is now Rousseau's replacement as crazy Island woman setting traps and looking for her kidnapped baby Jack will be Jacob's replacement as Island protector and Shepherd Sawyer will be Smokie's replacement as someone who knows of joy and sadness, who lost someone he loved... and who wants very badly to kill his opposite- Jacob/Jack. It all fits!
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...if you argue wit a troll, youre as bad as they are but actually you are worst cuz you sunk low to battle them... stop thinkin youre cool cuz you argue wit a idiot, you are just a bigger idiot than they are... you should be called gnomes cuz youre literally smaller than a troll... just ignore the trolls and dont create a troll fightin band, that just sounds so pitiful and sad... and this message is directed to rizzo and jay who have ruined these tbs far worst than a troll ever could... talk bout the show and stop tryin to internet fight... TEAM BENCENT
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That it might irritate Smokey, that the Locke spark may be stronger than Smokey suspected, and it may lead Smokey to be smug and make fun of John Locke out of irritation but not bc of a lack of respect.... Good tidbits in that EW interview!!!
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Smokey, will start a war, Widmore and his new team, the Losties, the Others, everyone dead, he will then pull out a cigar, light it up, smoke it once, then say "I love it when a plan comes together"
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But it disappoints me, only slightly, that he says that "spark" of Locke is left and maybe more powerful than he assumed. Locke should be a pawn in the end, a giant joke. That's powerful writing and a shocking twist. They shoulnd't double back on that and bring him back to life. Just my opinion of course, but I just tihnk it means a lot more the way it is. I don't want John locke back, personally. But, I guess I should prepare for his return in the end. I guess he really was just too beloved by writers and fans alike to be allowed the fate of "cosmic joke". Oh well.
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He was still played and manipulated to terrible ends... But in the end, he was still stronger than any of them anticipated. That's stronger writing in my opinion.
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At least I think thats where it'll lead.
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What if Locke does come "back to life" or whatever, but hes really, really pissed off about it. Like, lets say, he can see his alternate timeline in death. His life is pretty fuckin good, all things considered. I love the idea that John lockes life was only terrible because of Jacobs interference. What if Locke came back to the show, and hated Jacob for ruining his life. Without Jacobs interference, Lockes life is pretty much exactly what he wanted. Not extraordinary, there are still things he cant do, but its good. Hes not alone, at least. But if he came back, I'd like to see him blame Jacob in some way for what happened to him. Jacob gave him a destiny...and it was crap. Just a thought. Probably the same kind of empty speculation I so despise. but still, its kind of a fun idea.
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of this one group one week, the other group the next??
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I had his smug ass and I hope Smokey f's him up for all eternity!
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im stumped there. havn't the foggiest clue what its about! was blood coming out through his skin or did it drop there from somewhere else?
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yeah that annoys the shit out of me as well. especally since these are the last episodes. mini clifhangers they dont come back to for 2 or more episodes like Claire pointing a gun at Jin are a bit silly at this stage!concidering all the loose mysteries yet to be touched upon.
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I am wondering if possibly, the cave we say last week had nothing to do with Jacob. That was MIB's cave, and the names on the wall were that were not crossed out were those that he could still recruit for his cause. He crossed Locke of the list because he, for some reason, knows that he won't be able to complete his plan with that body/person. On the other hand, possibly the lighthouse is Jacobs 'staging area' where he attempts to lead the 'touched' to the island and to a certain 'destiny'. Whatever, I have meeting to get to in a few minutes. LOST!
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Thanks for the earlier mention of Never Seen Lost by Amazing Maurice. Funny website.-Cheers
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"Thanks mom. I'm just a recovering alcoholic, but no thanks, I'll pass this time."Talk about irresponsible parenting.-Cheers
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1/2. LA X - Everyone3. What Kate Does - Kate4. The Substitute - Locke5. Lighthouse - Jack6. Sundown - Sayid7. Dr. Linus - Ben8. Recon - Sawyer9. Ab Aeterno (Since the beginning of time) - Richard10. The Package - The Kwons11. Happily Ever After - TBA12. Everybody Loves Hugo - Dude...13. The Last Recruit - TBAHoly shit, Ab Aeterno is gonna be the bomb. Richard Alpert fucking rules.
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Hope it's a Desmond/Penny episode!
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but if you go to eonline.com and read the 'watch with kristen' blog, she drops a nugget about lost. I thought it was interesting, but I also have burned by that bubble gum gossip girl watching chick before. Take it with a grain of salt I guesss.
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...Everythin ends, everythin will be mostly bittersweet... island sinks in regular reality and lax plays out however it does... BUT THREE YEARS in the future of LAX (2007) a teenage Walt sits on a plane while it hits turbulence... it will show Walt is special but wont have the need to bring him into the reg or Lax reality storylines for now...
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...What was up wit smokie and juliet and kate in the woods that one time? is that a plot hole (cuz at that time we thought it was workin for the island at the time)... also, why couldnt smokie just work wit/for widmore? widdy got off the island and they sorta have the same plans...
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Yeah, Nestor C. (Richard Alpert) was interviewed and pretty much confessed to having an "oh, shit!" moment when he read the script for his episode. It promises to be brilliant!
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I can't believe all you lost lovers here have forgotten about the very much cannon Via Domus. I think that is where the writers are taking us with these flash sideways. The end of the show will be Oceanic 815 Crashing, everyone with their memories intact, wondering whats going on. The signs are there! (The ALT Reality from Via Domus), The players are there (It was NOTLOCKE in via domus, you could clearly tell by the way he was acting). I bet right now $100 that lost ends exactly like Via Domus.
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Bram, Jacob's follower, told Miles not to get on Widmore's boat because it was the wrong side, that Bram and his pple were on the side that's gonna win. Which suggests Widmore is opposite Jacob's side, which suggests Smokey's side.
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...This wont be about good vs evil ie Jacob vs MIB but it will be about the lesser of two evils... to me, Jacob has not done anythin good and is exactly like a monotheist god who wants people to serve him without givin any explanation and let bad things happen... why serve a god like that (reason i am an atheist besides the scientific reasonin)... Mib is trickin people, but Jacob has clearly manipulated death and hardship and betrayal... so basically, i think the show will be about whether you want to purposefully destroy your life thru freewill or if you just want your life destroyed thru coincidence or fate... screw Jacob! TEAM BENCENT!
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Was NANOBOTS! Guranteed! I want those nanobots. Dammit!
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i may be wrong, but i was fairly certain that the game was not canon.
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Okay, for Christmas I got all 5 seasons of Lost on blu-ray, and have been going through them in order since then (I just got into season 3) to see if I catch anything in the final season that relates back. Now in season 2, during the 2nd Mr. Eko flashback ep. (forget the name), Eko is a priest in Australia sent to determine if a girl that awoke during an autopsy after being pronounced dead from drowning was truly a miracle. When Eko arrived at her house, he met her Dad (who just happened to be the same psychic Claire had gone to that told her to keep the baby), and then he met the girl: a redheaded Australian accented teenager named Charlotte. Is this the same Charlotte? Her age would fit the timeline, and when we saw her as a little girl when Faraday talked to her, she was leaving the island. Is Eko's Charlotte and Faraday's Charlotte the same character? I just have trouble believing in coincidences on Lost.
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...I hope somehow religious people would realize to live their lives how they want (without harmin others) and stop followin made up rules that are outdated... so heres hopin after lost ends, we turn into book of eli (minus the postapocalypse if possible, if not, im headin to Home Depot to load up on weapons)
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I have to watch the episode now to see for myself.
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Seems to me to make sense that Ben, as the leader of the Others, could control Smokey. It also seems to me that the leader of the Others (and only the leader of the Others) could harm Jacob, which is why Jacob did not interact with them directly but rather used Richard as a go-between (and protection).
This is the "loophole" that the Man in Black was talking about. By disguising himself as Locke, and manipulating Ben, he was able to get Ben to use his "leader of the Others" power (which probably stems from that pool) to kill Jacob. Smokey had to use Ben, because he (Smokey) wasn't really the leader of the Others. I guess we can assume the leader power then reverted back to Ben.
I think Richard has to ultimately do what the leader of the Others says - and can only really protect Jacob by manipulating that leader. That's why Smokey had to become Locke and manipulate Richard into thinking he (disguised Smokey) was the leader of the Others. Ultimately, he knew if he told Richard to do it, and Richard thought he was leader of the Others, Richard would havetake disguised Smokey to Jacob.
My ultimate, rambling point being, it seems to me the leader of the Others can control the Smoke Monster and can kill Jacob.
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I meant to say in my post that the "Other Leader" power - which I think includes the power to kill Jacob and control Smokey - reverted to Ben when Locke died. So now that I think about it, I think Smokey was actually taking a huge risk that he would be able to manipulate Ben into killing Jacob, because if Ben refused I don't think there was much Smokey could do.
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She did totally sound like Charlotte, but mainly bc they were both Australian... I'm pretty sure Charlotte said she grew up in England though, and she always asked her mom about the Island then, and her mom said it wasn't real. I think its a total coincidence, and I doubt we'll see any connection between the two, BUT its more fun to think they are one and the same without a confirmation either way.
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The timeline wouldn't really make sense since Eko was in Australia right before the plane crashed.
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Not in the sense you're thinking of, top6. I too thought like you, that the loophole was an Other Leader. But I think its clear the loophole is just "You can't kill him personally, but you can get someone else to do it." But how do you get someone else to kill a man no one else has seen? And how do you get close enough to said mysterious leader with someone else to kill him? You take on someone else's form, someone who CAN get close to Jacob (Locke) then you manipulate a former leader (Ben) so that you can take him with you into Jacob's cave. It doesn't matter whether or not Ben was a leader for him to actually stab and kill Jacob. It only mattered that Richard allowed Ben to go in. And actually, I think it didn't matter to Richard whether or not Ben was once a leader; what mattered is that the REAL leader, Locke, said Ben could come, and who is Richard to dispute the leader's command?
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That was the whole reason Eko was in Australia, to see the girl, and from there he was going to LA to start a new life. He was running away from the fake priesthood. Kills the theory.
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yes, but as with Faraday's rocket experiment in season 4, he said time in this place exists separate from the rest of the world - it's a stretch, for sure, but it just struck me as odd that his girl was named Charlotte
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Maybe Jacob could have turned into a smoke monster too, if he was given more time. UnLocke said he used to be human (although that could be a lie).
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I think my theory accounts for a lot of things: (1) why Ben could control Smokey; (2) why Jacob - who was apparently just a guy - never appeared to Ben or any other Other Leader that we know of; (3) why Smokey had to specifically use Locke - an Other Leader - as the vessel for his plan; (4) which, in turn, I think would explain why it took Smokey so many 100s or 1000s of years to execute his plan. If the loophole is really as simple as manipulating anyone into walking into a foot and stabbing someone, I think he would have been able to do it given the 100s of crazy people who have lived on the island. No, I think he had to use one fake Other Leader to get Richard to allow the other (real) Other Leader to kill Jacob. Also, if I'm right, and Ben dies, then I think Faraday's mom is leader of the Others again, and if she dies it's Widmore again.
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Feb 23, 2010 11:42:03 AM CST
Its possible, Kaiser, but time is just weird around the Island..
by d.vader
There's not a discrepancy bt Island Time and Real World Time. The only discrepancy comes if you enter the Island the wrong way, for example the Doctor's body and Faraday's rocket. If time on the Island is COMPLETELY different frm time on land, then Ben's taped Red Sox game makes no sense, Mikhail seeing news reports of 815's crash makes no sense, Ben showing footage of Juliet's sister in a park- shot by Richard- makes no sense, the Freighter coming to the Island in real time makes no sense. I'm pretty sure the Charlotte thing is just a coincidence- bc the writers wanted a CS Lewis reference- but a cool coincidence nontheless.
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Otherwise Smokey would have come when he was called the second time (he was Locke, but still- he didn't), and Smokey wouldn't have been able to manipulate Ben if Ben actually controlled him. Ben could "call" him, but not control him.
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He said it was bc he knew it could get him *close* to Jacob as Leader. Smokey couldn't just manipulate anyone into going into the foot bc not anyone can go in. Locke had the power to go in; he took whomever he wanted in there with him. Richard said there can only be one leader at a time, ie, only one leader can see Jacob at a time, but Locke put him in his place. It took Smokey a long time to get his plan to work bc he needed someone who beleived in the Island SO much that he'd do whatever "It" told him to do, and that man was Locke. Easily manipulated.
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Feb 23, 2010 11:56:28 AM CST
We get Sayid, Ben, Sawyer and capped off with a Richard episode
by zooch
All in a row! I love you Lost.
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Found this on the ODI website...
***SPOILER****
The actor who plays clair stated...
Interviewer: Obviously you can't just disappear with your father in that cabin for a full season and not have repercussions, so is this what's happened?
Claire "Yeah, she's been three years, living on her own, making her own housing and food and protecting herself. The only person she's had contact with as a friend is Locke -- who's not really Locke anymore. So any information that she's been given about what's going on with other people or the Island is from him. And there are maybe some things that are not the whole truth. He's led her to believe that the Others have her baby at the Temple, so that's been her whole plan this last three years, to get him back. Finding out that he's off the Island and Kate is bringing him up is just like a complete, complete shock to her. So there's an interesting relationship with Claire and Kate now -- a combination of animosity, to say the least, and also respect and thanks. So that's been fun playing with". -
...He is very essential to the plot especially wit LAX... after readin his wiki, i believe he is the reason why the island is sunk or why there are so many differences between reg and la reality... and im still wonderin why MIB didnt use Widmore instead of Locke... would been much easier and quicker to orchestrate his leavin... but yea, Widdy is the "KEYE" to the islands "locke" wit him fatherin the guy who created the jug plan, leadin Des to the island, and all other stuff... oh shit, NEW THEORY! JACOB IS MANIPULATIN THE EVIL WIDMORE just like MIB I MANIPULATIN THE GOOD LOCKE!
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3 years? Wasn't claire in the current timeline? Where did this 3 years come about?
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When John Locke was hunting boar early during Season 1, he encountered something. He described it as being "white." He later told Jack, "I looked into the eye of this island, and what I saw was BEAUTIFUL."
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Not really a spoiler since it's only in my head:
****Theoretical Spoiler****
by deelzbub Feb 22nd, 2010
05:05:27 PM
Thinking about Lost while driving today, and this is what I came up with:
Both timeline are real and both happening. This serves to give us, the viewers two different endings to the show, a Choose-your-own-adventure, if you will. While nothing pleases everyone, this would seem to be a strategic attempt by the writers to please more folks with more than just one ending.
In the LA X timeline, our Losties get to purge their demons, correct their mistakes, and have the happy ending that so many wish for their favorite character(s).
In the original(O) timeline, our Losties adventure, live and die, and do heroic and dastardly deeds (depending on their character's bent) right up until the ending.
I see Sawyer being Smokie's bitch right up until the last, then putting the smack down on him, sacrificing himself Juliet-style. Whether skid-marked boxers are a part of his plan would remain to be seen.
At the last, I still see two players having to fill the role of Smokie/Esau and Jacob at the end. My vote is for Ben vs Hurley.
Finally, in the LA X timeline, I think Oceanic calls Jack, tells him they found his dad's damaged casket, and can he fly to Austailia (free ticket) to identify and sign documentation.
Stop me if you see where I'm going with this.
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Last night was considering what the island's name might be. Don't know if or how often this has been discussed before. Maybe some part of a larger land mass that has been set adrift in time and space?
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What was the name of the sunken port off the coast of Egypt? Not Alexandria was it?
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That's my favorite!
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I imagine Jack gets the bloody neck in the last 2 or 3 episodes. And then the heroes are returned to the plane mid-flight-to-LA and from there on what happens is what we're seeing now in the alt-LA timeline.
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Remind me a lot of old vs new testament Gods. It might not be a new theory, but I haven't heard it before and it is one that intrigues me.
Jacob is all about touchy feel healing, at least as so far as we've been led to believe thus far. The Ankh and statue go with this.
MiB is wrathful and judgemental, sizing people up with his black smoke form and dishing out what he thinks they deserve. Much like the old testament version of God.
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Ilana seems to know A LOT about the Jacob/MIB mythos/rules... Yet when she asks Ben how Jacob died, he says that he was killed by Flocke. Wouldn't she know that this is not possible? Just seems odd to me.
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Here there be monsters island!
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I have been wondering whether or not the alternate reality might actually be the result of what happens ON the island this year? Currently, I think that the reset DID happen (as Juliett told Sawyer)...but it did not happen on the island. Maybe?
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Or maybe this is all new and she thinks there may be some other loophole(?).-Cheers
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...Yea widdy is alive but so was Locke until he was manipulated... there is two monsters, and that blond boy is the "light" smokie... i also find it interestin that the monster is smoke and it is repelled by ash, both creations from fire (but i havent come up wit a theory for that)... anyway Widdy is bein manipulated by Jacob (imo) which would explain how (and why) Des got to the island, why Michael saw ghosts, and why the island kids are returnin back to the island (maybe Frank is a child of someone also seein as Miles, Charlette, and Daniel are)...also Widdys goals are the total opposite of MIBs (one wants to return the other wants to leave)... maybe Widdy was SUPPOSE to lead the island but was shafted due to MIBs manipulation... if Locke is the lock needed to be broken for mib to escape, then Widdy is the key to keep him on the island
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The producers have said it's not canonical by the way.
http://www.n4g.com/gaming/News-114103.aspx
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I think the problem with that is that Alpert seems genuinely scared of the MIB/Locke. It'd be an interesting twist, but they'd need to explain a lot. I'm sure there's some twist with Jacob not being in their best personal interest, but at some point they should establish who we should be (or should've been) rooting for.But I suppose they've done that with Ben; I've waffled on whether or not he's a truly bad guy or just more of a sad, almost pathetic, anti-hero or possibly a to-be-redeemed character. Even now I'm not sure I know what truly motivates him and probably won't, at least not for sure, until the show ends and maybe I piece everything together from his first appearance through the finale. He may actually believe he has been the "good" guy all along and acting in the best interest of the Island. And this is the man who killed his own father, Jacob, and Locke. So I suppose anything is possible in the motives of Jacob and the other (the "MIB"). And of course it's likely the writers are leaving things intentionally vague until the last possible moment.-Cheers
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IIRC, Locke sees Claire and Christian in the Cabin shortly before Ben moves the island. The O6 escape, and return 3 years later. The present on Island time therefore has Claire's whereabouts basically unknown for the last 3 years, until she encounteres Jin at the end of the episode two weeks ago.
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Two sides - one seems pure evil, the other pure good. But both are trying to achieve the same thing, they only differ in how to achieve it. Each wants to prove their way is best, and proving that their way of achieving the goal has become more important to them than simply achieving the goal. Mark my words, neither is pure good, or pure evil, but more ambiguous.
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Obviously not canon. They didn't even want them to make that game, but ABC and Disney insisted on marketing the name to gamers in any way they could. It's a terrible game, a ridiculous story that really makes no sense, and should never have been made really. The actual ending of LOST could very well end up being a similar to the end of the game (which is sort of a "two timelines converge" story) but I doubt it.
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about going back to the island?
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Totally forgot that it's been 3 years since they came back.
Was it answered why the Dharma tapes were spliced?
I also don't get the claimed part.
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Another weird anomoly that will never, and can never, be explained. Why would anyone cut the middle of the swan video out, and then hide it, in a bible no less, in an empty room on the other side of the island? Because it added mystery, I guess. The fact that it was hidden in a bible is my main reason for saying itll never really make sense. They were just trying to be thematic while providing a reason for Eko and Locke to become besties.
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Feb 23, 2010 1:19:26 PM CST
UnLocke doesn't want to leave the island and go somewhere
by 35minutesago
he wants to DIE. that's what he means by wanting to "go home." he's trapped in immortality. you guys are taking this "unlocke is trying to escape the island" thing too literally.
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Bout Widmore workin for Jacob?
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Does anyone feel like we're going to start getting quite a few "remember a trash can" moments in regards to stuff like the bible and the blast door map?
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Bc I can't reconcile Bram, who works for Jacob, telling Miles that Widmore's side is gonna lose.
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He doesn't control him
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...in the Smokey toilet under Ben's house is dark and muddy, kinda like the fountain at the Temple...a connection?
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a lot of people are taking unlocke's desire to "leave the island" and "go home" as a literal desire to relocate himself to another place on the planet, which i think is completely false. it's almost certainly a metaphor.
now, given that my theory posits that the two sides of the light/dark battle are life and death, it makes sense that unlocke's desire to go home is actually a desire to go back to the darkness of death, which is substantiated by his obvious contempt for the triviality of human existence. -
But, i ignore most atheists anyway. u know since all of u are some much more "enlightened" than us. i mean really... a freaking atheist trying to debate a show that is steeped in faith based dichotomy. ah the irony....
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I think it's very, very unlikely given the fact that they really need a villain that's been around for a while and as crazy as everything else is going to be for average folks to wrap their heads around, a new/re-invented villain at this point, after essentially already doing it with Locke would be overkill.
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2 people walking somewhere.
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Honestly, no trying to pick a fight but why can I not like the show if I'm an atheist. I don't in anyway think I am more enlightened, I just made a different choice than you. I am a preachers kid, so the faith aspects of LOST is some of my favorite elements. I just don't get why a show that is essentially about the eternal struggle between faith and science would be off limits to atheists.
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Unless Kate specifically mentioned it to him when she returned to the island, I don't think he knows.
So he can't tell Claire to calm the fuck down.
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...that the Man In Black's "I want to go home" motivation, and Richard's insinuation that in doing so he will destroy the world, is basically setting up the exact plot of Buffy Season 5. And also in Buffy Season 5 there was a big temple in the middle of town that they never noticed until the end of the season for some reason - just like the temple here.
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I hear we may find out tonight! So it may be your last chance for submissions...
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I read this the other day, pretty crazy.
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Very curious to see what has been up with her. Was she jumping through time with all the other castaways? Or did something happen to her that caused her to stay in 2004? Very curious. Hopefully we get a few answers tonight and they won't drag it out for several weeks. I could see tonight just being her asking questions to Jin and him not getting in a word at all. Side note: Jin seems to get the shaft in every situation since the seris began... on the plane the crashed, on the raft that was destroyed, captured by the tailies, on the frieghter when it blew, adrift at sea, washed up with the french crew, and now 'captured' by claire...
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I think it WAS just an island, but now has become imbued with the power/energy, that, whatever entities Jacob/MIB/Other are, carry. And that energy was harnessed by Darhma, which is where they fit in. But essentially Flocke was telling the truth, it's just an island.
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dear lord I hope not. I love Bill & Ted more than anyone probably...but that is just the absolute worst use of time-travel ever in a movie. it works cause it just makes the movie that much funnier...but if anyone on this show starts planning their future events to influence their present...I might go berserk. I don't think they'll do that though. Your post made me laugh out loud though. Any opportunity to talk about Bill & Ted proves most triumphant in my book.
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Any plot of any scifi or fantasy show ever made can be compared to an episode of Buffy.
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I'm not in any way trying to sidetrack. It was just brought up that my religious beliefs or lack thereof prohibiting me from debating LOST which seems a little harsh.
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"It ends as it began"
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. . . yet. That's on the list.That said, we'll have to see about your theories. I've definitely heard worse, and I can see them doing something like you described. Kind of like an Agatha Christie novel or something where you have to get to (or very close to) the end to have all of the pieces of the puzzle, then it all snaps into place. At that point you know more or less everybody's motivations, who did what, and it should all work out pretty cleanly. So if they play with shades of gray and Jacob's the bad guy or Jacob & MIB each have agendas, I would not be totally surprised.But I do need to read Preacher.-Cheers
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This is one of the most on track talkbacks yet! Almost 210 posts and nary a off-topic post yet! WTF?
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The universe correcting it self. They leave in a type of "final destination" world but there's a force controlling all decisions rather than just death. That's why all of the survivors are meeting, those not on plane don't need to be there to change anything. Desmond and Faraday can attest to this.
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it WILL be good
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I'm pulling for Sawyer to pull a con on old Smokey. Last episode, he looked the devil straight in the in eye and didn't flinch while Robert ran away terrified. Sawyer's got a pair - and he's lost his reason for living - Juliet.
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The game came out at a point before they announced the end date for lost. I am pretty sure that the way they wrote the ending for Via Domus will figure into the overall mythology. They writers keep saying things thin going against it. I.E We won't do time travel. etc. I am near 100% certainty at this point the show will end the same way Via Domus ended. In the game the main character got to change some of his mistakes from the past but ends up back where he started: The island. Thats the same way the show will end.
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The universe correcting it self. They live in a type of "final destination" world but there's a force controlling all decisions rather than just death. That's why all of the survivors are meeting, those not on plane don't need to be there to change anything. Desmond and Faraday can attest to this.
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i personally dont care what u believe in overall. ive just run into alot of "know it all" atheist who look down on people that do believe in religion. and StepDaddy certainly sounds like one. McGoo- im not attacking anyone for not "living" his life blah blah blah. just refuting his claims in his post. i never bring my faith into talkbacks and its annoying when other people do.
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...the angels' in Dogma. 4/1 for Smlocke to 'uncase his wings' before the finale.
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I really like your actual center point idea. Like some kind of Yggdrasil/Omphalos/Axis Mundi synthesis.
Wiki states that the Axis Mundi "may have the form of a natural object (a mountain, a tree, a vine, a stalk, a column of smoke or fire) or a product of human manufacture (a staff, a tower, a ladder, a staircase, a maypole, a cross, a steeple, a rope, a totem pole, a pillar, a spire)."
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I don't think it'll happen anyway.
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as long as ur respectfull to my beliefs i'll return the gesture. didnt mean to offend u or McGoo. StepDad's post just pissed me off. no reason to a put down something u obviously dont like or want to like. it's just those little smarmy jabs alot of atheists throw around. my point being--- if u dont want to try and understand something why even argue about it or be smarmy about it? i get why people want to be atheists because ive questioned alot during my lifetime brotha...
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Right on. I love the fact that the show tackles all religions and then mixes in a heaping dose of meta-physics to create what is probably a closer picture to the way the universe actually works, than the way I believe it to. I admire beleivers I really do. I greatly admire my dad. But if your going to beleive in something you should do it wholeheartedly, and I never did. Once again that's why I love LOST so much. I can fully get behind everything the show brings forth. And I defend it voraciously. Since, when asked, I don't want to sound like an idiot, I read up on the connected mythology of LOST. I wish more people did that when it came to religion.
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"It doesn't need protecting, it's just a damn island." Right on, preach it, Smokey the Locke!
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...the Powers that Be don't let their Stephen King love talk them into a Dark Tower ending. Everything the same but one little difference.
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I don't think it's the ending, ending of the show, but Damon Lindelof actually came up with the ending himself. (It's on an IGN page about the game) They weren't involved every step of the way, but the ending is all Lindelof. So I think it was more just a general nod forward to anyone who plays it to the end about where Lost is heading (Hey! Look! Time travel! Alternate realities!) aside from a literal interpretation of how the show itself is going to end. Considering the game came out smack dab in the middle of season 4 (and Lindeolf would have came up with this ending in, like, Season 3-ish) that's pretty cool.
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the show puts up an argument for BOTH sides. and also makes u THINK about it all. thats why it has alot of hmmmm.... "unique" people that follow it lol. it has something for everybody.
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Mah man.
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Sawyer knew Aaron was on the chopper. It probably came up over the course of three years while Sawyer and Jin were in Dharmaville.
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I would actually take it a step further and say they put up an argument for only one side but present the other for balance. Truly good epics are ones that firmly take a side(Light/Dark Force,Sauron/Everyone Else,etc) I think I would/will respect them alot less if they end up saying well maybe this or maybe that but really we don't know. It's great to raise questions and leave abiguity(like 12 Monkeys) but to say that, you the creator of this world, aren't sure what the answer is, would be a pretty big let down.
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Hey, buddy.
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plus, i love me some 12 Monkeys!
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I think Lewis's, Problem of Pain, is the best explanation of why you need to choose certain things on the island. I believe that free will is warped on the island, due to your actions having this huge impact on reality outside the island.
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CRAZY AS A LOON!
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...for tonight's episode does this suggest that the show is breaking away from the current one group/plot per episode format? Fuck I hope so. Considering Darlton wrote the Lighthouse it should be anything but filler. I have been wrong before though.
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Possibly Jacob? If he can change form as well, I'd say it's very possible.
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PK here too. Agnostic now.
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...I dont think you know what ignore mean since you replied to me... also, im not an know it all atheist cuz i dont... i am just skepitical to many things, mainly religion and even souls (i dont believe in souls, just consciences since the brain does control everythin in your body includin feelings, memory, etc)... but if ya have to be a certain somethin to enjoy a certain somethin, does that mean you either never seen Superman or are you yourself a humanoid alien wit powers (and have a gay curl restin on your forehead)... i understand why people have religion (basically they are scared, need "answers" and a justification for the world and their lives) but it is idiotic to think that a woman can be pregnant without sperm or semen, that there is an entity watchin over you and answer your prayers (pray to god for those in Haiti, but um he knew it was gonna happen or caused it... unless your all powerful god is not really all powerful at all)... but as an atheist i love stories of good and evil
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...and another thing, wouldnt it be more logical for the earlier religions (sumerian) to be more accurate bout our origins? how can somethin which ripped off many religions (includin the "evil" ones) be the true religion? and is it just me, but arent the religious people the ones who tend to start wars, make others feel bad (due to not believin in the same fairy tale), kill gays, bomb abortion clinics, kill cuz "god told them to", etc... can someone tell me somethin evil an atheist has done? I have no problem wit anyone, unless they think i will burn in hell for not followin your god... and why is your god such a pathetic, insecure douche? "you dont want to listen to me? then ill send you to hell!"
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that you dont know what ignore means?
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jack episodes have always been good... err, well most of them.
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"an enormous loser that tries to chat with other good people, who has nothing better to do than hopefully admit defeat and go to bed. imagine that."
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To confuse God with the stories limited and flawed human have come up with about him. And I don’t just mean atheists. The faithful are just as bad (often worse).
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...He is my favorite troll... now lets get ready to read bout Jay and Rizzo sendin him a ticket so they can kick his ass...
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...they'll treat you like an equal. - Bob
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u truly are a douche. u say ur not a know it all YET u proceed to think u know it all?? ur a typical ignorant person. to insult someones beliefs because u cant even TRY to be tolerant. u give actual good atheists a bad name dipshit. LAST POST FOR U....and GO FUCK OFF....
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If you are referrin to Jay, i agree he doesnt need this from me since essentially this started from him defendin these tbs from "trolls" (despite bein one of two who actually fuel the trollin)...But he attacked my faith (which technically ist a faith)... i never tried to start a fight wit anyone, i intended to stop the troll war from happenin, but i guess instead of takin my advice, he made me a enemy...
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Feb 23, 2010 4:12:12 PM CST
Let us not forget the influence of the "Reverse Vampires"...
by royston lodge
...working, of course, in concert with the Saucer People.
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Just a couple things. First, things like the virgin birth, resurrection, etc., etc. can be explained two ways. First, if God can create the universe, and created the laws that govern life and physics, creating a fetus through a Divine Miracle is nothing. I mean, amphibians do that. So if God exists (spoiler: I'm Christian so I believe in God), that bending the laws He created in the first place is nothing. According to the creation story, he created the whole universe (sparked the Big Bang and evolution/adaptation, etc.). Relatively speaking, a virgin birth is small potatoes compared to that.As for natural disasters, personal tragedies, etc., those happen to EVERYBODY. That does not prove or disprove the existence of God. Rather, from the Judeo-Xtian perspective, this life is much less important than the after life. Hence, due to the Adam & Eve incident (literally or as a metaphor), this stuff happens on Earth, and can affect anybody and does in fact. Hence the story of Job. Or, you know, Jesus and that whole crucifixion thing.I'd also argue the "religious ones" starting wars, hating gays, shooting abortion clinic doctors, and the like are generally not the ones actually following what their religions teach them. Regardless of all of that, if Xtians are right, we have an obligation to spread the word, as it was. Not ram it down your throat or use it as a convenient excuse to do terrible things, but if it is a matter of everlasting souls and the gift of salvation, that trumps anything that happens in the fleeting mortal life. If that's what you believe. And I do. So even though I do not understand everything in the Bible, I sympathize with the sentiment that it is my everlasting soul at stake. I also think Jesus was something special so if I believe that he was something legitimately holy, do I just ignore that and live a life that according to him leads to damnation? Not to mention want others to be saved because, if I'm right, there is a lot to be gained or lost depending.Anyway, not to derail this talkback any more, just saying not all Christians are hate-mongering anti-semites bombing abortion clinics or cramming religion down people's throats, and there is a certain logic to choosing religion, particularly if you believe in God and see him as the driving force behind science and think there is (or even may be) an afterlife. If I'm wrong, what have I lost? If I am right, and don't act accordingly, the stakes would be too high to not live according to the rules laid out before me. Not trying to evangelize, but I do think you are painting a bit too simplistic of a picture with way too broad of a brush stroke.Anyway, looking forward to Lost!-Cheers
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Gotta go direct a play. I will be back at the end of tonights ep. Isn't it curious that lostboy always starts his trolling with everybody ready to watch LOST suck. YES! you stupid douche we are. Its gonna suck so bad I can hardly wait.
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Calm the fuck down. It's cool whether people wanna believe or not. Lines like "and why is your god such a pathetic, insecure douche" are flamebait. There's no reason for a line like that unless you want to stoke the flames and go full on troll-war. Geez, can't we discuss Lost like civilized fucks, and leave the religious war to the Middle East? Can't people of all faiths (or lack thereof) come together and enjoy spectacular TV? Fuck yeah!
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I mean, if you're going to troll, go for a bit more believable. Claiming Hurley dies, especially when there is a Hurley-centric episode coming up, is a bit too over-the-top. Nice try though. O.k., not, it's not, it's sloppy & overall pretty weak. But whatever does it for you.-Cheers
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..and he’s singing lead vocals for Lynyrd Skynyrd and I’m in the front row hammered drunk...
@yourSTEPDADDY - you asked "can someone tell me somethin evil an atheist has done?"
Napoleon.
Hitler.
Stalin.
Mao.
Pol Pot.
...Plenty of bloody murder to go around to whatever fluzzy wuzzies ya believe in..God, Yahweh, higher power, an organic connection between all living things ..or nothing at all. I don't know. But I would not build my foundation on the soft sand of 'one is so much more worse or moral than the other.' The evil men do...is the evil men do. Everything else is circumstance and excuse.
Of note about LOST ..one must admit it is full on full of religious imagery. A Smörgåsbord of various myth perspectives gazing and searching for the same universal truth, which we already know to be, 42. LOST moved past explainable science or even science fiction into the realm of fantasy in the first episode. Short of, and I'll type it again, character mental illness or imagination.
Before the Epi - Man of Science, Man of Faith, it is funny to remember when Locke and Jack go off searching for Claire and Charlie just taken by Ethan, when they come up on the spot of abduction... Jack asks How? (Physics) Ethan could have done it and John asks Why? (Meta-Physics) Ethan did it.
You have to remember, 90 somethin percent of this world believes in something greater than their own moral compass. And while that ratio may be inverted in the world of sci-fi fanboy boards..it don't make it more truth-y.
How? or Why? And ain't that LOST. Ain't it Just.
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That is all.
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Feb 23, 2010 4:30:12 PM CST
Open to interpretation, or direction... but we all know
by fox_cancelled_my_life
Why are you the way that you are? I hate so much about the things that you choose to be.
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Be less optimistic about human progress ("It only ends once, everything else is just progress") if he read these talkbacks? :P
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I meant to mention 'bout your other post in the last TB.. Your story about your ex, a dog, tranqs, a shovel, hell, and indoor sunglass wearin cocaine snortin whatnots.
Meant to say that short bit you typed gave me the most magnificent imagery. awesome. it is a film waiting to be made.
As long as the indoor sunglass are Ray Ban aviators..
And about thinking of the boy with bloody hands..and Eko. Think about this. We saw other candidate names on the cave overhead, yes? Some were 'other' LOSTies, yes? Candidates at some point would have, apparently or allegedly according to Non-John, been visited by Jacob at some point in their lives. When and where did that happen? Do you think we may have seen that interaction in the other LOSTies' flash-backs? That was what I was thinkin about remembering that Eko scene. Or is that all shot to hell by the fact that Jacob, maybe, never changes his outward form? Or does / did he? Duhn! Duhn! Duhn!
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Actually, none at all. In fact, I got my DVD screener in the mail over the weekend. Can't talk about it though. Signed a waiver.
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Have they said/hinted either way? I'd guess yeah, there seemed to be an implied good/evil, black/white/backgammon, shared affinity with the Island in early seasons. I'm wondering if they'll capitalize on that or if they feel Walt is too far out of the loop of things to fit into the Island a/o Island-related timeline. I still think he's important, but to what extent they use him, and how he ultimately figures into things, I obviously do not have the answers to.-Cheers
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SHAKE AND BAKE!!!! it FIRES ME UP!!! it rhymes and their both verbs.....
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When i read that.. All I could feature and conjure was a bunch of Monkeys beating on things in front of a rather large and dark obelisk of certain specific proportion.. You know what music was playin...
And look how far we have come...
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Blind people and assholes. Thank you, I'll be here all night!
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Jay send me a ticket for what? to convert me or to hit me, if its the latter, i wonder if your God will like that... and i thought i was bein tolerant at first, that is until you said somethin negative to me... to Dave i, i wont debate you since you actually answered to what i was sayin, instead of attackin it, so thank you for that... Lamer i might be a douche but i never intended to say what i said (it was after jay said somethin to make me reply the way i did) and i agree wit what you said but in that case i was on the defense and just replied... and macfaux, thanks for those answers (but i dont know bout hitler since he believed in the supernatural which is religiousish to me)... and back to Jay, isnt he great? he complains of tolerance yet calls me names... and all this started cuz i said arguin wit trolls
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"I wanna go fast" since were quotin that movie...
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Guess i am an asshole cuz i do wear sunglasses indoors... mainly cuz i like lookin at ass and i am usually high... sunglasses at night indoors for the win!
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Debate all you want. No hard feelings here. I'm open to others' opinions. And I'd be a total hypocrite if I was trying to be a Christian and then bashing you or threatening you. I DO have my beliefs, but I can still be social and respectful about it and not take it personal. I just didn't want to come across preaching or anything.I didn't think Hitler was atheist, but he was also certainly not a practicing Christian or any other major religion that I'm aware of. Even if he was, you'd have to ignore a lot of the tenets and spit in the face of the beliefs of just about any major religion to do what he did. But he was such a nut I'm not even sure you can really use him for any theological debate since he doesn't really represent any religious (or atheistic) groups' set of beliefs.-Cheers
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Yes, that does provide a feeling of freedom. Thank you McGoo, I shall more often say, "What the fuck" when confronted with trolls, assholes, douches, idiocy, and other stresses in life.
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...lol first... second i never said i didnt want to say what i said, i just said i intended not to openly express my views... ill always state my feelings and opinions, but if im not provoked into doin that, i wont cuz then ill be a true douche... he didnt make me do anythin, he just gave a reason for me to respond
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to represent or be driven by every major religion. There have also been nutcases that were atheistic as previously pointed. For anyone to claim that only the religious commit atrocities (thus implying that religion supports or drives people to it) is stupid. A nut job bombing an abortion office is clearly not following the text of the religion that he claims to represent. I don't recall the part in the Bible where it says that murder is OK. How about the child molestor preiests? Obviously they abused their position to do what they did, but can they be called representative of all Catholics? Same thing for Osama, is that dude representative of all Muslims, and is he truly following the word of his religion? Should any of the murderous dictators that were atheistic be called representative of all atheists?When people resort to bullshit arguments like that, it must be because they have nothing better. "Dude, some guy killed 6 million people and claimed he was a Christian, that must mean Christians are murderers!" Fucking brilliant logic.What the fuck ....
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Thank you sir, youre the kind of religious person i like... i would start debatin wit you but im on my phone and cant sign in onto this comp and cant fully articulate what i think... but also, youre the type who would prob have an answer for anythin i throw at you and we will end up as a draw cuz your faith wont let you see it my way, nor will i be able to see it your way cuz i dont have faith (if that makes sense)
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It's a night of running around the jungle, drinking water from a canteen, and dramatic pauses... Or else I'd be a little let down.
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...My first post today was to try and get people to ignore trolls (which somewhat succeeded since no one is givin a certain troll their attention) yet now it looks like im the most hated tber in here (aka a troll in jays mind)... is that ironic?
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I’m reasonable certain that a couple of “big ideas” have been *ahem* lost along the way. No biggie, it happens. These ideas may never be revisited or given only the most basic of awkward mention. 1.) Walt – I think whatever we get at this point will be far, far less than what was intended, but I suspect the devotees will be able to guess with decent accuracy. 2.) Mr. Ecko – The actor’s departure forced abandonment. I suspect that Ecko’s defiance of Smokey would be contrasted against Locke’s embrace of Smokey was intended to be a longer story that would foreshadow Jacob/MiB. 3.) The Taillies in general – While much of that storyline still has it’s tendrils even now, it comes off as a lot of work and noise for little payoff. But I admit that may just be my perception.
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5.5 hrs to go. I'm gonna enjoy this last season to the fullest and the haterz can revel in their anger and misery. Boo ya.
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See ya after the *poom*
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He preferred to called Jack.
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The crackpots on the fringe really screw the pooch for everybody else. I'm sure Jesus, Buddah, Mohammad, etc. would be horrified by what some people do in their names that are so far outside what they actually said. But such is life.-Cheers
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I gently teased you and did a masterful job of imitating you, and that apparently hurt your feelings, so now I'm on your shitlist or whatever? So you can dish it, but not take it? I expectd more from you man, oh well. I mean absolutely no harm. I told you that I was doing it out of affection, not hostility. Oh well.
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people that dont read their own posts and THEN say they did'nt cause the response they're getting. TROLLS have certain tendencies as do IDIOT FLAMECAUSERS....cause and effect...
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I definitely agree about the tailies plotline. Not that it was abandoned really...but it served no purpose. They brought all of those people in...and killed every single one of them. Except Bernard and Rose, who are, lets face it, while favorites and a wonderful sidenote of LOST, serve no mythic or plot purpose. They are just sweet and fun to have pop up every once in awhile. Keeps the show grounded. But other than them...what purpose did anyone from the tail serve? Well....maybe Cindy. Still don't know what her fucking deal is.
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Are they trying to tell us there is another smoke monster?
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This looks like its going to be a good episode. Maybe not as much as last week, but still pretty great!
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you get Smoke...
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Corndogs. Sorry - had to take advantage of the 404.
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The show is running, its dead, going through WCVB
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...proof that the "flash-sideways" (fucking hate that name) exist in the same time line? maybe? as in all that happened on the island wasn't erased?
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Feb 23, 2010 8:17:35 PM CST
But I can post using the "subject" line? Weird.
by stereotypical evil archer
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Feb 23, 2010 8:19:20 PM CST
It says "OOOPS!! Error 404 - page not found."
by stereotypical evil archer
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Feb 23, 2010 8:23:51 PM CST
Is the internet beginning to rot? Is that why AICN is broken?
by stereotypical evil archer
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And I hate this NuClaire shit! Its so unbelieveable!
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Feb 23, 2010 8:30:03 PM CST
Fix this site..... please. I just want to read.
by stereotypical evil archer
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Unless this is all it took.
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nice to see him pulling double duty on LOST and SUPERNATURAL. One show he is force of good, the other he is the devil.
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Feb 23, 2010 8:35:11 PM CST
Ain't it Cool, now without Comments, now that's Cool News.
by stereotypical evil archer
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C'mon do we need these new white kids and not Walt?!
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it's lamer than the flashbacks were
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Jack will take over Jacobs role as protecter of the island and the original castaways ( kate, Sawyer, Sun, Jin ,Hurley ) will become the new OTHERS.
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Feb 23, 2010 8:39:46 PM CST
Herc is doing this to make excuses for a cocktease of a show.
by gqtaste
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Feb 23, 2010 8:39:55 PM CST
Are some of you actually able to read the Comments?
by stereotypical evil archer
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Feb 23, 2010 8:40:00 PM CST
Jin english has gotten better and the OLD Degrassi guy is dead!
by hollywoodhellraiser
Really Claire is lame! Kinda wish she was Dead!Claire instead.
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Feb 23, 2010 8:41:59 PM CST
Can't read comments, but I'm continuing to post just in case!
by hollywoodhellraiser
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Feb 23, 2010 8:42:47 PM CST
When do the Sleestaks show up? The final episode?
by stereotypical evil archer
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Feb 23, 2010 8:44:29 PM CST
Sawyer listens to the Stooges and Jack's boy wonder plays piano?
by stereotypical evil archer
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Feb 23, 2010 8:44:54 PM CST
Really do we need to have an episode featuring Jack's kid???
by hollywoodhellraiser
Wtf!
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Feb 23, 2010 8:48:43 PM CST
Thats right welcome to candid camera, you pervy bitch!
by hollywoodhellraiser
Jacob a stalker!
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Especially when questions needs answering.
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Feb 23, 2010 8:51:29 PM CST
Jacob is Merlin. MiB is a Dragon. Aaron is Arthur. Island is Ava
by stereotypical evil archer
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Jack going insane....wow!!!!
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Feb 23, 2010 8:55:43 PM CST
WTF how can I feel for this scene for a character that never exi
by hollywoodhellraiser
LAME!
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Fucking annoying!
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Feb 23, 2010 9:02:00 PM CST
Good reveal but Nu Claire, Jack's kid, and Jacob can die!
by hollywoodhellraiser
BOO-YEAH!!!
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it's 108 minutes Harry! Damn you!
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Feb 23, 2010 9:04:32 PM CST
lostboytexass when this shit's fixed we're gonna have a nice fri
by theotherjosh
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Feb 23, 2010 9:08:20 PM CST
More boring crap leading in more circles. not ONE good question
by julietsteet
ppppppppppppppppft
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What the fuck ...
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Same hair colour at least. Maybe that's why they are hiding MIB's name- he's David. That would mean someone else from the alterna-verse is Jacob. And WHO IS 108?
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So basically today it took them an hour to establish that Claire is now crazy and with MIB and Jack now realizes he's important somehow, two things we as viewers already knew. It felt like they could have done this in half an hour, then had the second half actually dealing with these revelations. And I'll give the Flash Sideways the benefit of the doubt, but I hope the writers had a good reason for showing us Jack's relationship issues with someone that as of an hour ago we didn't know existed. Just saying.
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Feb 23, 2010 9:18:46 PM CST
'Thought I'd check in and see if this is still broke. Yep.
by stereotypical evil archer
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bone your talk back? spamm-a-lot the board? hmmpf. Vo ist der ban-hammer!
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This show is more retarded than a Palin baby.
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If a Goozoo writes a comment and no one reads it, was it ever really written?
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Feb 23, 2010 9:36:22 PM CST
I wish they would say they're fixing the site. Customer Service!
by stereotypical evil archer
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Feb 23, 2010 9:36:48 PM CST
I wish they would say they're fixing the site. Customer Service!
by stereotypical evil archer
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I guess its really as simple as Jacob is God and Flocke the devil, at least of the island. Jacob doesn't see people cause they need to believe without seeing him and Flocke is a (snake-like) shape-shifting smoke monster that deceives and kills people. I'm not even religious but its pretty obvious now.
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WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALT!!!
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Feb 23, 2010 9:54:34 PM CST
Do you think Harry just sold AICN to Twitter?
by stereotypical evil archer
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Feb 23, 2010 9:58:00 PM CST
Adam&Eve-Explained!! I love how Darlton is addressing/dismissing
by tstewie
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Feb 23, 2010 10:05:08 PM CST
Lost will end and ABC will force all comments to be disabled.
by stereotypical evil archer
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At least, I THINK that was the number next to her name on the lighthouse thingy. It was defintitely there though.....
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What's going on?
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My money's on Desmond
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Story progressing at a snails pace...but, hey, that's LOST! Why change now? Man, that countdown clock to the May finale sure is ticking!
Only problem I had with this episode...Sorry, not buyin Kick Ass Claire. Danielle Rousseau...she is not. But I could get LOST in those eyes! Hopefully Claire 2.0 will grow on me.
Ok...onto the good stuff. Sideways Jack had his appendix taken out when he was 7? I wondered why they showhorned that subplot in a couple season back of Jack needing his appendix out on the island.
Sideways Jack has an estranged Chopin playing son? Interesting plot development...wonder if Sarah's still the Mom? Maybe it's Ana Lucia? Nah, kid's too white. Perhaps Juliet? It definitely aint Kate. Hmmmmm.
Jack loses his entire inheritence to a Claire....Littleton? Christian is a prick!
Hurley. Is. Awesome. Love everything he said this episode. "Comes & goes like Obi Wan". "Why don't YOU go back to the courtyard"? "Us...walking through the jungle...doing stuff we don't really understand...Good times". "What if we traveled back to dinosaur times...and these skeletons are us"? "I'm not a big fan of secret plans". Hurley represents every single one of us fans. Finding Shannon's inhaler 6 years later? Priceless.
Looks like Kate is fallin for "Action Jack" again. I like this. Anyone else think Claire will make good on her threat of killing Kate? I'll take the under on that one.
Anyone else wish Darlton had shot a scene 6 years ago of Michael and Walt at a piano recital, and Michael saying to Walt, "Ok, Walt....you're up next. Good luck, son....you'll do fine". THAT would have been awesome. But I'll settle for Dogen Jr.
So, the Lighthouse...WAS it always there? My guess is yes. Last week it was a cave on a cliff...this week it's a Lighthouse. Jack & Sawyer = the new Jacob & MIB? Seems as though they are THE Candidates. BTW....anyone else see the words "Accepting All Candidates" on the recital poster Jack looked at? Interesting.
So...Claire has a buddy? Wonder if she was hangin with MIB BEFORE he turned into UnLocke? Or...was she hangin with him as Smokey? Either way...looks like she passed (failed) the same test they gave Sayid....and it appears she's no worse for the wear...albeit a lil loopy. Oh, and homocidal. BTW...Claire NEVER asks about Sun? Rude. And Jin is a horrible liar!
Ok....still more questions than answers. The biggest one being WHO IS #108? Widmore? Desmond? Alvar Hanso? I gotta go with Des on this one. I mean...he stared at a clock with 108 minutes on it for 3 long years. That's kind of a huge clue. Plus, we all KNOW his return is an eventuality this season. He'll find another way in...the island will help him...or Penny will!
So....Top secret episode next week? The convergence at the Temple? Bad things? I can't wait.
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Feb 23, 2010 10:54:18 PM CST
This is the episode that finally put me over the edge...
by anotherboreddude
...with Jack's bullshit! Fuck this emoboy crybaby, his shitty storyline should have been finished around season three. Out of all the characters who the writers have abandoned in developing why the fuck are they still going on with his mundane excessive hollow drama?!?
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Feb 23, 2010 10:56:13 PM CST
Learn how to play Chopin, kid. It's triplets against 16ths.
by kingninereturns
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At the ticket counter... remember? "I need it to be over" Blue eyes.
Also as to who the mother of David is.. Don't know if it means anything, but tonight Jack said, "I came to the Island because I thought it could fix me.." or some such..
In epi 'Do No Harm' Jack tells Sarah, as part of his wedding vows, "I didn't fix you, you fixed me."
So, how ya like me now Cheif? And the Tic-tac-toe? Shall we play a game?
"Strange game, the only winning move is not to play." -
Feb 23, 2010 11:05:00 PM CST
Numbers=Bad Luck, Jacob=thing for numbers, so is Jacob=Bad Luck?
by onezeroone
Just wondering. They've gone on record to call numbers "bad" and looks like Jacob does have a thing for numbers. How can someone good come up with numbers that are bad?
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Could it be someone we've seen before?
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What was the weapon question?
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Lots of emotional beats in there. Too bad its time for bed. Will have to discuss tomorrow!
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I read that on another Talkback a few days ago. Someone said it was Larry David? I actually thought it was the other LOST TB but I guess I was wrong. Thought it was funny, though.
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But was he appearing to Claire as Locke bfore Locke was killed off-Island? Is that possible? And she seems to think she was really with her dad, bc she differentiates between her dad and her "friend". Curiouser and curiouser...
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Hey, Mac...nice call on the tic-tac-toe! Nobody wins. You might be onto something.
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No idea who Wallace is. If it were Desmond should already have been in that cave. My guess, someone new who turns out to be someone we knew all along. Walt in a different avatar?
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whata twist that would be
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on the lighthouse thingamajig
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Just bc Locke didn't show it to Sawyer doesn't mean its not possibly there. I hate when pple say "So and so wasn't in the cave". Did we see the entirety of it? It just means they're not the final numbers, that's all.
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Feb 23, 2010 11:40:44 PM CST
NOT a great episode and I agree with Shakes' take on it.
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Nice.
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Not as great as last week's but very good nontheless.
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ya it's a little unbelievable seeing this cutie running the jungle for 3 years but fuck its good to see a change of pace in her persona and she sure does rock the dirty jungle look well.
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Looks like just about every character's name is probably on there.
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Since I'm not a Kate of Jack fan, I wondered how uninterestig they could make a Jack-centric episode - or how interesting tey could make it. and they managed to do both.An after school special about an estranged dad and his secretive, reclusive, uncommunicative son? That ends with him being a brilliant concert pianist, but secretly? and then there's a touching father son moment in which the kid has thia total deadpan non-actng expression for the whole bit, then they smile and reheat a cold pizza that's been sitting out growing bacteria at room temperature on the kitchen counter for a few hours? Yeah, that's what i watch Lost for - not!Remember that, when peoiple used to say the opposite of what they meant and then add "not!"?but the hot sexy crazy Claire stuff and the always funny Hurley stuff and the mysterious Ghost of Jacob stuff totally saved the episode, for me. Your actual reaction may vary.
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Please tell me it was a Godzilla joke
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I'm wondering if Wallace is the Man in Black?
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I guess it doesn't matter. Perhaps there really isn't someone coming and Jacob only needed Hurley to move the mirror so Jack could see into it. I'd rather like the speculation that its how they get Desmond back to the Island, or Walt. Ah well, cest la vie.
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Who wha?
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I'll kill you.
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First, I hate it when people call the black guy on a show "the black guy" and I know that black guy from The Others was given a name in once scene of a previous episode. So crucify me for not remembering his name right now and not taking the time to look it up.Remember when people thought The Others had super-powers? Oh, Ethan can hang Charlie in a tree in ten seconds, he must have super strength and super speed and beserker rage and stuff.Then remember when people thought Mikhail was an immortal? Oh, he was electrocuted by the security fence with froth from his mouth and blood from his ears and then Dez kilt him with a spear gun and then he blew himself up with a hand grenade that took so long to explode that he should have drowned waiting for it to go off?Well, I'd hate to raise any of that ld nonsense as serious speculation, but what's up with the new black Other? I though the was a goner when Kate hit him with a bag of rocks the size of a La-Z-Boy. but he showed up and got shot and I thought that time he was dead for sure. Then he gets gutted with an axe and just sites there with a stunned expression and - presumably - dies. But I say "presumably" because I thought he was dead the first two times they killed him. Anyone else getting a Mikhail "hard to kill" vibe off the guy?
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If Jackey boy ends up being The hero in all of this, I may break my own fingers in frustration. I am so sick of his stupid bullshit, 'oh look, a magic mirror, never seen one of those before, lets break the shit out of it'.
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Then, a few days from now. the real talkback will begin.
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is totally hot sexy crazy.Also, if anyone wants to try another Addams Family relaunch, Veronica Hamel would be perfect for Morticia,
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Jack's Mom was totally freaked out looking for the will, called Jack, was going nuts, ripping the room apart, looking everywhere. Turns out the Will in is a mailing envelope labeled "Last Will and Testament" on a shelf in plain sight. I call that as the Darlton's subtle reference to how Lost fans get freaked out over wanting instant answers to minor points with easy answers.Of course the episodes less-subtle shout out to fans was Hurley wondering who turns out to be Adam & Eve - something AICN Lost talk backers have been worrying about since "The Moth".
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...the show's late-in-the-game mastermind conveniently appears to Hurley with step-by-step instructions. Instructions that Hurley might want to write down...on his sweaty arm, no less!!!The instructions direct them to a path and while on the path, they get to have a nice pow-wow with Kate who just happens to be nearby. They continue down the path which leads them past the old caves (where we get to see Jack and Hurley lazily verbalize the exact same ideas the viewers have been saying for a couple years -- i.e. Adam & Eve) to a stone lighthouse. A lighthouse that no one stumbled upon during all their time on the island. But thank you Jack and Hurley for the lazy 2-line volley of exposition!Inside the lighthouse, we see a mechanism that has various directional degrees which are labeled with the names of many Losties. But hey, it's not just a "lighthouse"! Because if you turn the reflective mirros so that the mechanism's pointer is on a particular number, the mirrors inside also happen to reflect stuff like Jack's old house!!! Wow!!!So, after breaking the mirrors in a confused bit of frustrated anger (something Jack still hasn't learned to control), Jack decides to take a breather and watch some ocean waves. And as Hurley frets, he gets another visit from Jacob who tells him that shit is getting ready to go down back at the Temple. Duh! Meanwhile, viewers scratch their heads and wonder how we can be 5 hours into this season and still feel like the writers are laying third/fourth/fifth season groundwork.
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Jin-Soo Kwon..."Truthful Authority" Kwon Jin-Soo..."Golden Truth"..
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But it was hinted he may have killed off island as a Piak enforcer/thumb breaker.
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about The Black Pearl arriving in Hawaii. For a moment hoped it was the Black Rock.Um isn't The Caribbean in the southern Atlantic and Hawaii in the mid Pacific? If Jack Sparrow goes to Hawaii 1. isn't he a Pirate of the Atlantic? and 2. Does this mean Disney's out of ideas and this installment will be the Beach party episode with bikini clad Mouseketeers, surf boards and a dog with sunglasses? How many sequels can you get out of a movie franchise based on an amusement park ride, anyway?Wasn;t there some petition last year about converting Disneylandworlds Tom Sawyer Island.Pirates of the Caribbean island into a Lost island? Maybe they can reuse the ship and just whitewash out Pearl and write in Rock.
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has great Lost talkbacks. Too many fucks here cluttering up decent discussions. If you wanna talk about Lost with like minded folks, head over there.
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I never ever thought it was relevant who those people were. They could have been anyone. A shipwrecked couple who was stranded and lived near the water like Jack postulated years and years ago. Personally, I just think the pieces are falling into place. This is one chapter out of a larger book that is the season. I was entertained enough, and will judge it as a whole when it's all over.
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Really, Claire. Kate took Aaron and left the island with him, raised him as her own for three years, lost him in a super-market and then abandoned him with your mother in order to come back to the island. bit it was okay she had the facial warts removed. Claire, if you're reading this, KATE TOOK YOUR BAY-BEE.Huh, who me? Oh nothin' Just tryin' to get Kate killed.
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Just the thought of Desmond or Widmore coming to the island has made me 100x more excited for next weeks ep!
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If Kate hadn't taken Aaron, what would've happened to him? Claire frickin got up in the middle of the night and left her kid. Claire should be thanking Kate for being generous enough to completely change her life to take care of a baby whose mom abandoned him in a jungle.
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feature. swipe on the forehead, purple (royal) or violet (in Chinese lore.. perfect balance) on the brow. That. So close to Ash Wednesday? the day of contemplating one's transgressions? Jack mopey starin at the Ocean? C'mon?
Ash Wednesday..occurs 46 days, not countin sundays, before easter. Use the same formula and count ahead.. guess what is '42' days ahead, not counting sundays? 13 April 2010. epi 6.12 'Everybody Loves Hugo'. How bout that.
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Well...Late in the game mastermind was introduced long ago. And don't you think Jacob lead Jack & Hurley back passed the caves for a REASON? And perhaps passed Kate for a reason? Finding an inhaler he accused sawyer of stealing, and had some Iraqi torture him over? What better way to prep a Candidate than by having him walk the path of his failures?
Jack has NEVER felt he had any sort of special connection to this island. After seeing his childhood home (another reminder of his failures), he now KNOWS he has a connection. So...forgive the dude for taking a moment to sit on a cliff and reflect and process this shit. Jacob knew Jack would smash the mirrors.
That wasn't the point of the journey.
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Remember Claire has been listening to Smokey for 3 years so who knows what he has been telling her.
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Post a link. Can't find it.
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Claire is not Claire. Another "claimed". By what, I don't know.
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Uh huh.
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It's an AICN Chat Room. Click Chat tab at top of page.
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When it comes to this show, there are lots of things I've been lead to believe I was seeing for a reason. Doesn't mean that any of it hasn't been silly from time to time.
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...Jack and Kate episodes are out of the way, for good.
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It was entertained..alluded too. When Paik ordered Jin to deliver a message some such twice.. But, in both instances did he not just beat the ever livin shitt out of the dudes but leave them breathin? My question, in clarification, has it ever been 'shown' that Jin has killed anyone? I don't think it has, but I honestly can't remember for sure. It may be nothing.. but I am always looking for 'what is different about this one from the rest'? ya know?
And, if you are givin odds? Dark Claire killin Kate and all. Can I get a parlay card on who is #108?
Now there is a tag line.
ABC voice (that would be the same dude I want to hunt down and ass-whoop for sayin "the time for questions is over") anyway, ABC voice says.. "Who. Who is #108?"
I ordinate my picks: Desmond? Penny? Walt? Charlie 2? Clementine? Aaron? Ji Yeon? David? (remember my post about the kids)..or how magnificent would it be if it twere Arzt?
'Leslie is a bitchin name' ..Who is #108? -
Where the hell is this all going? Because I don't even know what to think of this stuff anymore...I mean, I'm intrigued, but the stuff they're feeding us is even more cloaked and secretive than the stuff from season 1. I have a feeling a lot will be explained in the next few episodes, but as of now I just don't know what any of this means. I don't want answers served to me on a silver platter, but some of this stuff is just becoming incomprehensible at this stage.
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Maybe it was because I had a few beers, but I found the episode extremely entertaining - even though, upon retrospect, it didn't make a whole lot of forward progress. Jack's flash sideways was just so fucking touching and the perfect end to the character. what a brilliant way to resolve all his daddy issues. I loved the lighthouse and how it was a half technical, half symbolic explanation of Jacob's ability to bring people to the island. I loved Jacob's line to Hurley about how he needed to put Jack through this because he can't just appear to him and tell him. It sort of called attention to and made up for Jacob's preposterous hands-on appearances to Hurley. In the end this is probably the best Jack-centric episode ever. (tatoos was the worst)
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jus sayin
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http://www.avclub.com/articles/lighthouse,38535/
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Before his death:
"You have a choice" "It's not my guitar" "Remember, you always have a choice"
Jacob after his death:
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It doesn't shine outward...it shines INWARD.
I'd say Des is #108...Gotta be. Time for Mr. Hume to push the button again...why is #108 Wallace? My guess is...Hume aint his given name. -
I bet its the MIB.
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crossed out
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Jacob a misogynist, perhaps?
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NOT crossed out. Rousseau = 20, crossed out. Shannon = another number, crossed out.
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http://bit.ly/cf2dKY
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The reason people make a big deal about them is, among other things, that Lindeloff said the following in a 2007 interview that: "When all is said and done, people are going to point to the skeletons and say, ''That is proof that from the very beginning, they always knew that they were going to do this.'"
And, by the way, that is why this "it was about the characters all along" stuff is kind of bullshit. The creators always promised us - and usually in a way that demeaned other shows - that they had a plan and that the mysteries raised on the show would be resolved. If they had said, "look, it's a weird island, and we want to explore how interesting characters will react to it," people would accept it as a character piece and would not be pissed when episodes raise new questions rather than solving years-old mysteries that we were promised had a resolution. -
At first I thought that it was weird bringing Jacks kid out all of the sudden, but it all fit. In Jacks FS he finally overcame his Daddy issues just like Locke overcame his need to be something that he wasn't. Looks like with the scar theres more and more island stuff popping up in the FS world, Claire also. When Jack went to his Exe's house I was curious if it would be Sarah's or Kate's. I teared up a bit with the Jack and his Son moment.
As for On island, man psycho Claire was awesome. It fits that MIB/Flocke is her friend since MIB was Christian when Locke was talking to him in the cabin and she was there smiling like she was drugged out. I love how Hurley has become the one who Jacob is talking through, how he didn't have paper so he wrote it all on his arm and Jack still follows him!
It was great seeing Jack actually invite Kate to follow them unlike previous times like going to meet Mr. friendly. Loved seeing the skeletons and Darltons nod to the fans that they would be answering it by the end. I was also great just to go back to the caves and how they answered the very minor question of where Shannon's inhalor was. It also somewhat answered for me the idea that maybe Christian never visited Jack off island since he didn't mention it while telling Hurley why he came back. I also loved the Lighthouse and knowing how Jacob could watch over all of them. -
12- Foster
14- Pryce (Ryan Pryce - Other)
18- Kueffner
19- Nguyen
20-Rousseau>
21- Mettenry (sp?)
24- Kluxen
26- Bozarth
27-Doppie/Doprie
28- Holland
30- Wade
31- Toms-
32- Rutherf(ord)
33- Novak
34- Grimaldi
35- Brennan (French science team?)
36- Syzmanksi (sp?)
37- Torres
38- Lintstrom (sp?)
39- Mortokh
40- Dawson
43- Barnes
44- Martinez
46- appears to be in Arabic معنطو 'mu'ntoo'
48- Stanhope (Goodwin or Harper)
49- Meyers
51- Austen (Kate)
54- Olarti
55- Kennedy
56- Hansen
58- Burke- (Burke = Juliet?)
59- Suzuki
104 - lewis
107 - thomson
108 - wallace
109 - friendly
111 - klein
112 - horton
113 - worden
114 - yamada
115 - bargas
116 - lambert
117 - linus
118 - chauer
119 - almeida
120 - rodriguez
121 - neilson
122 - freed
124 - dawson
125 - owens
126 - penti
127 - mora
128 - paddock
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108 = Wallace, crossed out
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add "the numbers" together, They total 108, duh. Jacob told Hugo 108 degrees so the lighthouse dial would go past 23 so Jack could see his house in the reflection. Duh.
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your post assumes they can't do both at the same time, which is incredibly silly for a show like LOST, which brilliantly embeds mythology into regular character moments, instead of cheap exposition like the "other shows" do.
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who's #108?
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look at the screencaps link I gave 6 posts above yours. 108 is there.
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tonight's episode wasn't as good as last week, but better than the week before.
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For like the 15th fucking time now. Read better next time.
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I am open minded, and still think they can make it work, and am entertained in any event, but I was responding to a specific post that said "I don't see why the skeletons are such a big deal." If the show takes that attitude to its mysteries, and I say the jury is still out on that, it will obviously be a disappointment.
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it was lacking that post woosh wooden rickety rack roller thingy, that one can quite place. So what does this mean? It was absent in the premiere (no centric, unless it was Jack centric), showed up first in What Kate Does (Kate Centric), and got even louder in Locke's ep... but is gone in Jacks... hmmm
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Wallace.
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by cheap exposition, I mean have a person show up and just drop tons of lines to explain things, rather than showng us first hand HOW things happened. the Dharma stuff is a great example of seeing first-hand how things played out, rather than having a character just tell us
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The link as well as the post with names... Jacob loves you.
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Rousseau's team in 1988
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only fools are enslaved by time and space. We are the cause of our own suffering
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Feb 24, 2010 1:38:53 AM CST
Worst Lost Licensed Products Ever (this is 4 U, Tex)
by anotherdeadkitten
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Feb 24, 2010 1:39:50 AM CST
Jack to Hugo: "How come we never noticed the lighthouse before?"
by wampa_droppings
Hugo: "Cause the writers just came up with this, dude."
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Darlton has said awile ago that they set the skeletons up in order to pay it off near the end to show the doubters that they did have a plan all along.
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Feb 24, 2010 1:42:52 AM CST
Woulda been funny if Jack and Hurley caught Kate taking a crap
by zillabeast
Right there, down by the river.
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programmed the Looking Glass hatch melody to turn off the jamming signal. As Charlie said "a musician programmed this"
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Just yesterday morning, they let me know you were gone.
Suzanne, the plans they made, put an end to you.
I walked out this morning and I wrote down this song.
I just can't remember who to send it to.
I've seen fire and I've seen rain..
I've seen sunny days that I thought would never end...
I've seen lonely times when I could not find a friend....
But I always thought that I'd see you again.
Won't you look down upon me, Jesus?
You've got to help me make a stand..
You've just got to see me through another day.
My body's aching and my time is at hand..
And I won't make it any other way.
Oh, I've seen fire and I've seen rain..
I've seen sunny days that I thought would never end...
I've seen lonely times when I could not find a friend....
But I always thought that I'd see you again.
Been 'walking' my mind to an easy time, my back turned towards the sun.
Lord knows when the cold wind blows it'll turn your head around.
Well, there's hours of time on the telephone line,
to talk about things to come.
Sweet dreams and flying machines in pieces on the ground....
Oh, I've seen fire and I've seen rain..
I've seen sunny days that I thought would never end...
I've seen lonely times when I could not find a friend....
But I always thought that I'd see you, baby...
..one more time again, now.
Thought I'd see you one more time again..
There's just a few things coming my way this time around, now...
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My recollection is there seem to be two noises...what we heard tonight sounded to me like a plane landing or taking off. Previous episodes sounded like wood creaking or splintering...as in reality splintering perhaps?
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The Producers are advising patience in regards to the meaning of the Flash Sideways, and stressing that it is not an alternate reality, but a parallel reality.
I do not think the parallel is showing us the end of the series as some have said. This seems to me too obvious and anticlimatic. I believe instead the two realities will "bleed" into each other at some point, and the flash sideways sound is indicative of the stress/friction being created by these two concurring realities.
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always sounded like a plane landing to me.
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He's one of the few characters on this show, I actually enjoy. And his episodes are always among my favorites. Whatevs, to each his own.
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Tonight's effect sounded more like the "whoosh" that was used almost universally throughout seasons 1-5.
Since this seasons opener LA X and onward, the effect changed dramatically, sort of a whooshing sound followed by creaking noises. Not tonight though...I'm thinking the effect could now be character specific, and may be indicative of what fate is in store for them. -
it eats up 30 minutes of the show, and hopefully it won't be all season.
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I think people get frustrated with Jack because he's the "hero" character who keeps making maddening decisions.
I believe people really want to root for him, and the writers have spent the better part of 4 years breaking him down. I'm guessing the payoff will be greater for it. Jacks going to start kicking ass. -
It has been awhile since he fully commited but I think Hurley definately got one tonight...I like Jack. It's just that the writers have been trying to convince me that he's a douche and they almost succeeded.
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good call on the sound effects and the purpose of the ALT. Good work.
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To me, it sounds like the original 'whoosh' noise but skipping a bit like a record.
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Last week.. Kate racks a round in a Walther P38.. and then click.
Ejects the mag (don't get me started on the magazine and clip argument) ..for an ammo check. And guess what? The Armorer took the day off again.. as I was sure the indicator window showed there were no rounds in the mag. nada.
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Strange tht Longcyndia and I should echo each other so well...the gig is up!!
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Feb 24, 2010 2:15:09 AM CST
I kinda think the lighthouse wasn't in the plan in the beginning
by dapper swindler
It would have been great to see the characters see the lighthouse in season 2 or something and have us wonder what the fuck is in it until now. But I think the writers realized they needed a new location to fill this part out later in the writing process. Not that the writers are 'making it all up' as they go, but maybe just didn't have the particular device in mind for this the whole time. This is forgiveable since they included hurley's throwaway line "I guess we weren't looking for it" etc
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This could very well be happening right now, inside MIB/Unlocke. I don't think he's going to escape, and John Locke gets to stay on his beloved island for all time.
Right alongside Jack.
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Save for Sayid, no one ever really did any exploring. I think it's reasonable to assume there are other things on the island that they haven't been led to yet. The island is a pretty big place, and I don't think it's unreasonable at all for the lighthouse to have been there. top6, I feel like Lindelof couldn't have been that serious if he said that in an interview, because to be honest, there's no possible way that they knew EXACTLY who those people were at the very beginning. They really didn't think they were going to make it past the 12 episode order they got. To craft a huge, overarching mythology would be a gigantic waste of time in that situation. Why bother? In fact, I don't think they even started to attempt to figure it out until the last few episodes of the first season. I remember an interview with Lindelof in which he mentioned that Abrams himself suggested they find a hatch on the island. And when Lindelof asked what was in the hatch, Abrams said "I don't know, we'll figure it out later." The point is, they had a lot of cool stuff they wanted to start out with, which they later had to retroactively make fit in the context of the show.
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Yeah Dapper, the way I see it, with an island that big, unless you walk the shoreline like Sayid wanted to before he got derailed by Danielle, you could easily miss it.
Didn't seem too far from the caves though...which I thought were inland, away from the beach.
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As much as I love this show and would love, love, love to believe its been expertly plotted out from beginning to end, its obvious that that is not the case. Clearly during season one, the writers were just dropping in elements that would make for an interesting mystery.
Whispers, an unseen monster, decaying corpses with strange stones in a bag, mysterious island inhabitants, lucky (or unlucky) numbers...these were introduced to keep the mystery of the island alive. I think they filled in the blanks much later. -
Fair dinkum about Hitler. He was non specific or denominational in his evil crazy murderous euro-fuckery. He did even cow tow to the Catholic Church.
My obtuse point was Gumpian, 'Evil is as Evil does." ..it don't need an excuse in the preface. That comes in the epilogue.
Again, wasn't baggin on ya babe. just sayin. -
since you're obviously ignoring me, what do I have to do to regain your love?
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another black man down. i think this was retribution for oj simpson. yall know white people still aint get over that shit!
now Im not too big on lost, i mean this shit aint fucking with the 24 hour jack bauer power hour in any fucking shape way or form, but i fucks with it every now and then.
so basically every motherfucka on the planet got a theory about this shit, ill offer mine HELLA quick.
Jacob and Smokey are playing game after game of tic tac toe with human lives taken out of infinite realities.
there, i said it motherfuckas. we got some Back to the Future alternate 1985 shit going on here with Jack fucking around bleeding, not knowing he lost his appendix,suddenly having a son, etc etc. its like they threw one part our reality jack into the mind of alternate jack and pushed them together. i fucks with this crazy shit only cuz i love time travel and alternate realities.
and in ANY reality, Jack is still a pussified cry baby BITCH who lusts after slutty hot murderous chicks who want nothing to do with him and breaks shit when he doesnt get his way. Basically, fuck Lost's Jack, I hope he dies.
As for the REAL JACK, as in JACK BAUER, GET READY FOR THE RIDE OF YOUR FUCKING LIVES COME MONDAY AT 9PM! shit just got real. -
Gotta say.. that reminds of my new current favorite comedy 'Trailer Park Boys' which of late has replaced 'The IT Crowd' ..have you not seen it...
There is a character. His name is Jim Lahey. He is, a drunken, bi-sexual, disgraced, bitter, loyal, former cop.. now trailer park supervisor (of the year) ..and then back a cop in the form of parking enforcement. He is a wonderful and epic character. The relevance? In his world, everything is a degree of 'Shit' something:
"He's takin' the shit tornado right back to Oz."
"The shit winds are blowin, Randy"
"The shit apple doesn't fall far from the shit tree"
"At sunrise, the shit cock crows"
Well, you get it. don't give up on the 'Shit Magnet' ..make him epic, and comedic and tragic.. whatever he does, no matter how noble, he just attracts nothin but..well ya know. Shit. My only note would be, he has a certain affinity for Famous Blue Raincoats.. ya know, Cohen. hey, I'd pay ten bucks to see your film.
right on. Shit pecker fuck. That's regionally colloquial. Now, get back busy writin.
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...was incredibly hot in Hill Street Blues. I really loved watching that show back in those days.
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...was incredibly hot in Hill Street Blues. I really loved watching that show back in those days.
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There have been a lot of names thrown around for Locke who is not Locke, but I propose that an excellent name for him from now on would be: UnLocke.
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Feb 24, 2010 3:14:29 AM CST
I take it all back, the lighthouse is unable to be seen normally
by dapper swindler
Sayid sailed around much of the island. The tailies traversed around the edge of much of the island. And they could see a big part of the edge from hydra. So I don't think they would have missed the lighthouse if it were possible to see. But the island is like Jacob's cabin - you have to get instructions on how to find it. Jacob gave Hurley instructions like Goodspeed ghost gave Locke instructions. Maybe they did plan the lighthouse all along. Doesn't matter anyway. It's all good.
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lots of people have been calling him Unlocke since last May, including some editors at TV-Guide, E-Online, people at spoilerslost.blogspot, and chatters here. The 4 most popular have been the MIB, Flocke, Esau, and Unlocke.
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I see the Island as you do, or rather I think you do or..ah, what the hell.
All possible probabilities. All histories. Exist. There. On the Island. Certain folk, not constrained by a linear view of time are aware..can see all these things.
Or somethin. I drew closest comparative way point of the lighthouse.. In Michael seein a window in the ruins when brought to the 'others' camp in epi '3 Minutes'.
I feature those were ruins AND current structure, that only very few can realize. Ya know? No? ok.
Hey, did i mention well done for being first 2 weeks in a row? -
Libby will be returning
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would be more ominous if I hadn't just seen the Inbetweeners episode where they're tormenting their friend about his new "football fwend" and "car fwend" until he snaps.
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the sexual symbolism of the phallic lighthouse and the receptive yonic cave are so blatant and heavy handed they're almost embarrassing. But what to they signify? Is Man In Black PO'd because Jacob has been f***ing with him?
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I initially wrote the Lighthouse off as 'nobody ever noticed it before' and moved on. Big island. Yada yada. Whatever.
But I feel you may be right...it's just like Jacobs Cabin...comes and goes when Jacob wills it to. Even still....only a chosen few can see it. Hurley saw Jacobs cabin...even proposed he knew exactly how to find it. And he did. Same thing with the Lighthouse.
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Did you sift through all the talkback references to MIB and tally them up to determine the top four? Gee, you'd need some sort of computer first that. Or did you just pick four you like best. Because that nonsense about Esau and Bocaj were popular in the season finale talkback, but it's never been acknowledged by the show. the season premiere clip show specifically referred to the character as "Jacob's nemesis, the man in black." I seem to be the only person calling him Nemesis, but at least it's borderline canon, having been used on the chow. And we all agree on the various Man In Black, M.I.B., mib variants. And, yeah, UnLocke seems to be pretty universally accepted - though I kinda like NonLocke since it rhymes with John Locke.I will just never accept that Esau SeaSalt C-Sauce SeeSlaw crap.
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"It's your choice man, walk away now and you won't get your ass kicked."
http://tinyurl.com/SinsOpapA
~2πR´
As Rabbi Moshe ben Nachman did wrote:
"Everything that happened to the Patriarchs, is a signpost for their children. This is why the Torah elaborates its account of their journeys, their 'well-digging' and the other events of their lives... these all come as an instruction for the future. For when something happens to one of the three Patriarchs, one understands from it what is decreed to occur to his descendants."
Shephard Blue Eyes: Season 1. Episode 5. Time 00:34:40
Shephard (Is it Jack? cause Jack don't have blue eyes..does he?) is at the Oceanic ticket counter:
JACK: What do you mean you won't put it on the plane?
AGENT: I'm sorry Mr. Shephard, but our policy is that the body must have the proper documentation. There's just no latitude.
JACK: No latitude? No latitude?
AGENT: Without the proper documents. . .
JACK: Look, you can't do this to me. I'm ready to go now.
AGENT: Perhaps another carrier. . .
JACK: No! I want you to listen to me, okay. Because I'm asking you a favor, Chrissy. I'm standing in front of you in the same suit that I'm wearing to my father's funeral and I'm asking you a favor. In 16 hours I need to land at LAX, and I need that coffin to clear customs because there's going to be a hearse waiting there. And I need that hearse to take me and that coffin to a cemetery. Why? Chrissy, why can't I just bring him to a funeral home and make all the arrangements? Why can't I really take my time with it? Because... because I need it to be done. I need it to be over. I just—I need to bury my father.
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..had to catch up after dropping this show for being too frustrating to watch and clearly made up as it went along with no real point to most of its mysteries. Sorry to say it hasn't changed much and is going nowhere slowly as usual. They simply give you mere morsels of stuff you want or need to know along with huge amounts of crap you don't! This show would have been better if they had planned everything and attempted to stick to it like Babylon 5. All the characters have gone through improbable journeys and come out of it still being surprised or in disbelief of anything new that they face on the island! How can that be after you've seen stuff up close and personal like Islands disappearing, Killer Sentient Smoke monsters and bloody TIME TRAVEL?!! How is Jack still finding it hard to believe Jacob exists, that Hurley can talk to dead people and a whole lot of other crazy shit? They're on ancient, spookey LOST-Island where for the last 3 years nothing but unexplainable crazy stuff has happened and they still find it hard to believe? They have 10/11 episodes to make up historical explanations for The Black Rock ship, The colossus with four toes, the reason why Smokey can't leave and why Jacob needs to choose his replacements from a bunch of Americans, one Korean and an Iraqui. Don't put much faith into them explaining why Libby was in the same mental house as Hurley, or why babies born on the Island have to stay or why Walt had certain powers they never explored and was allowed to bugger off, why the 'Others' wanted to kill them all when they first arrived despite knowing that most people get summoned to the island and not here to steal its secrets, or who was behind the Dharma project in the first place, or why Whitmore took ages trying to find a way to get his people back to the island when his ex girlfriend simply had the knowledge all the time and sent everyone else back with a plane ticket! There's too much stupidity in the writing of this show simply becasue it focuses on trying to be cleverer than its actual presentation. It's presented as an intelligent scifi show, it's actually a dumb one! It's like a smart ass kid making wise-crack replies to a teacher's intelligent questions, sure they're answers, just not good or intelligent ones!
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Kitty: agreed, it's a plane.Akkosa: Sorry, but I think the FlashSideways are here to stay and won't be explained until the finale or the penultimate episode at the earliest.BlackjackBauer: Around here you might as well try to argue that the real Shepherd id Derek. And besides, the REAL Jack is Nicholson, everyone knows that.ShadowMaker: Agreed about Hill Street Blues and Veronica Hamel. There's always been a "best show on TV/cult hit" with a dedicated audience of fans discussing every episode. Now it's Lost, then, Hill Street Blues.Oh, and Bilboe: I'm a reformed MacFaux fan, but I thought your pastiche/homage/parody was pretty funny. More a Cracked magazine spoof than a spot on satire, but still quite amusing. Or am I obviously just saying that because you namechecked me in it?
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Slightly different, and slightly longer than the list above. Your milage may vary. I've placed x's where the letters were not clear on my screen. Anyone with a 1080p broadcast feel free to correct it.
12 - Foster
13 - Bookxxx
14 - Pryce
15 - Ford
16 - Jarrah
17 - Barnes
18 - Kueffner
19 - Nguyen
20 - Russeau
21 - Mellenby
22 - Moorhead
23 - Shepherd
24 - Kluxen
25 - Asher
26 - Bozarth
27 - Daprie
28 - Holland
30 - Wade
31 - Tomsxxxx
32 - Rutherford
33 - Novak
34 - Grimaldi
35 - Brennan
36 - Jyzmark
37 - Torres
38 - Lindstrom
39 - Mortokh
40 - Dawson
42 - Kwon
43 - Barnes
44 - Martinez
47 - Gupta
48 - Stanhope
49 - Meyers
50 - xxxmer
51 - Austen
52 - Mitra
53 - Drasxxoil
54 - Olarti
55 - Kennedy
56 - Hansen
57 - Gridwell
58 - Burke
59 - Suzuki
95 - Pottetxxx
96 - Gretsky
97 - Pattison
98 - Horton
99 - Booksen
100 - Birdfield
101 - Faraday
102 - Montard
103 - Horsman
104 - Lewis
105 - Fran
106 - Srxgzynski
107 - Thomson
108 - Wallace
109 - Friendly
110 - xxxx
111 - Stein
112 - Norton
113 - Norden
114 - Yamada
115 - Bargas
116 - Lambert
117 - Linus
118 - Chauer
119 - Almeida
120 - Rodriguez
121 - Nielson
122 - Freed
123 - May
124 - Dawson
125 - Owens
126 - Rentxxxx
127 - Mora
128 - Paddock
129 - Campbell
130 - Tillxxx
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Cave? Lighthouse? Some times a cigar is just a penis. wait. what? ya know. The cave, the 'she' is not always 'forced'. Sometimes..to roughly put it, 'she' is nookie up'd. Wants to whore it up and get some lighthouse just like an Intern.
Ya know? I'm just sayin it is not all a Women's Studies class at Smith and President Bill never would have done that with that.. if Monica had not been a total slut. what? To Misogynistic-y?
sorry. yonic. *snort* Can I get myself out of this fight that, as Charles Widmore said, "..goes back a very long time" by re-mentioning, flying mopeds and nunjas? nope?
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it was surprisingly entertaining. But how did Hurley manage to climb to the top of the lighthouse and not keel over and die? Suspension of disbelief! The location also looked like it could be pretty close to the cave, so Jacob would have an easy time updating both lists if he didn't feel like doin' the teleportin' thing and just walk like FauxLocke does. I'm ready to see him and DirtyFilthyClaire lay waste to the Temple.
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Once I lost mine virginity but is keep my vageena clean.
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The Flash Sideways are the Series Finale. Instead of watching the ending on the last show...we are watching it all season.
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Is it just me or the sound of Hurley moving that wheel thing at the Lighthouse sounded like Smokey sound effects?
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I would be willing to pull out of her ass long enough to blow in her babymaker. I'm a thoughtful guy.
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I would be willing to pull out of her ass long enough to blow in her babymaker. I'm a thoughtful guy.
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Hurley and the Lighthouse. Flash-Whatever to 'In Brugess':
HURLEY: Have you been to the top of the tower?
SMOKIE: Yeah, yeah It's rubbish.
HURLEY: It is? Jacob says it's a must-see.
SMOKIE: Well you lot ain't goin up there.
HURLEY: Uh, Pardon me? Why?
SMOKIE: I mean, its all windy stairs. I'm not being funny.
HURLEY: What exactly are you trying to say, dude?
SMOKIE: What exactly am i tryin to say? You're a big fucking elephant...
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Well sort of....
From spoilers lost website.
Latest Spoilers from E! Online About Hurley and the Island
WHAT LIES AHEAD:
Who's Good and Who's Evil? Jorge Garcia tells me this: "I don't think Hurley is going to be turn-able. Like I don't think he can…turn dark. I mean, it'd be interesting if there was a flash of that." So perhaps some of the candidates cannot be touched/claimed by MIB? Clearly Hurley has to wind up a good guy.
What Is the Island? That very huge question will be answered in less time than you think--somewhere around halfway through the season, according to sources. Awesome, right? And you know who's going to help deliver the message? The fantastic, ever-youthful guyliner model Mr. Richard Alpert (Nestor Carbonell) and his longtime friend Jacob (Mark Pellegrino). It's gonna be good.
So…What Is the Island? It's described as a four-letter word. There's your first clue! Shall we play Hangman? There are no A's or E's in the word…Wanna buy another vowel? Okay, but you only get one.
Another thing I can tell you: The island has to exist, according to my sources, and more importantly, someone has to protect it. It's important to the world outside.
Read more: http://spoilerslost.blogspot.com/#ixzz0gSKfQLmw
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Since Hurley said all that "Dinosaur" stuff we can assume the writers won t go that way. What if Adam and Eve are Jacob's and Mib's predecessors? They died, Jacob and Mib took their "empty" bodies to the caves, put the light and dark stones to symbolise who they were and took their places as "Protector" and "Judge" of the island. Only that Mib became Judge against his will ands wants out. Jacob was happy with his "job".
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Sometimes my dog starts throwing a barking fit, and I'll come look to find a big hairy spider in the middle of the kitchen floor, and promptly stomp on it. Is the dog controlling me, or is the dog just bringing something to my attention that we both agree needs to be dealt with?
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Feb 24, 2010 6:58:30 AM CST
I don't think they had it all planned out since season 1, but...
by gordon bombay
I do think they had a lot of planned out since the end of season 2. Think about it, that is when you first see the 4 toed statue, and early in season 3 is when Jacob is first talked about, Richard is introduced, etc... Anyone agree, disagree?
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I loved this episode. I have found this season very entertaining so far.In the same EW interview that has been referenced here, DL, and CC stated there are three story arcs each with a beginning middle and end. To me this felt like an episode leading to a season finale. The players are all bein moved into the right position to set up the next story arc (season)WIth some reveals and more mysteries. Should be fun, which I have found this season to be.
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Bernard left the island and is now a bus driver apparently.
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"Then you are lucky, because I have to protect you. If not, I would have had your head."
Nothing too important, then, but I guess it mans Dogen knows at least something about the existance / signficance of the candidates, although maybe not who they are.
Kudos again to Lost for getting a real Japanese guy, too. It may sound silly but it beats Heroes' horrbile two-faced BS - yay, isn't Japan cool, but we are still going to butcher its language and culture every week! -
Shouldn't she be at least mildly aware that she got up in the middle of the night and left the baby by a tree? I know, Smokie took her, she went nuts, and he probably got her to believe they took her or something...it just seemed silly. It would be one thing if she actually had been taken away against her will and didn't remember what happened...but she left the kid sitting by a tree in the middle of the night. I want to know what happened for real.
Other than that, I fucking loved this episode. It was so funny, and poignant, and beautifully character driven. Everyone was on top of their game. You could tell it was written by Darlton with all the nods/jokes about the first season, etc. The star wars reference. It was excellent. Really feels like we are starting to come full circle. It was great.
Also loved the story with Jack and his son. By far the best flashsideways we've gotten yet. I don't understand why Jacob told Hurley to turn it to 108 (which said Wallace? What?) when he knew Jack would end up going nuts anyway. I think we'll have to assume 108 isn't going to be important sine his name was crossed off...but that seems really weird to me. -
Nice theory
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Why is Jack's name written in all caps? It's the only name that is. And it looks like the spot where his name was written has been freshly cleaned or rubbed before his name was written there. It's all shiny underneath. WHOSE NAME WAS WRITTEN THERE BEFORE?
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I have to admit I am tiring of this. I no they said to be patient but cmon, it is the last year and it seems like a waste of time so far.
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Loved Hurley asking questions and being our voice. It's interesting how we are seeing Jack have thoughts about things he doesnt understand, like his cut and appendix.
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Feb 24, 2010 8:16:50 AM CST
Gordon, I believe they had a broad outline of how the show
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would end up since Season 1. They probably changed stuff along the way and filled in the blanks on details (they admitted they didn't know what would be in the hatch on the Season 1 or 2 extras). However, there have been hints at what they were going to be talking about this last season scattered throughout the first couple of seasons. I'm sure they are going to let us know who the 2 dead bodies in the cave are by the end of the show. Plus, I remember Locke explaining Backgammon (or was it Othello) to Walt explaining there is a "light side, and a dark side". Then, someone had a dream about Locke that showed his eyes replaced with one black piece and one white piece. I personally have no problem with the way the show is going (although Seasons 4 and 5 seem like a big waste of time now). My only problem is that the way this is ending up makes most of the first 5 seasons irrelevant now and the incredibly entertaining and detailed backstories on all these characters seems like it was a waste of time. I always thought I would be re-watching my Lost DVDs for years to come. But now, I don't know if I can keep watching the incredible first season again since it now seems or insignificant in the scheme of things. They've basically changed the show every single season and the show is nothing like it started out as. And I'm especially upset with what has happened to Locke. He had an incredible arc and I was really rooting for him, and now we find out that he was just a pawn in the MiB's extremely elaborate Long Con. It's really a shame. I assumed going into the season that they'd have the two storylines eventually merge or show that the island draws them back anyway, but it doesn't appear that's possible. They have to have something in common. You'd assume the parallel timeline will eventually have something to do with what's going on on the island. Guess we'll have to wait and see. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. I've been on this ride for 6 years, I've got to see how it plays out now, whether it disappoints me or not. It can't help but disappoint alot of people at this point. Up till the las couple of seasons, the ending was an empty canvas that anyone could paint on it what they felt the ending should be. Now, it's rapidly limiting the possible endings to the show. I just wish they had revealed Jacob and the MiB before the end of last season, maybe at the Season 4 cliffhanger.
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with a stripper!!
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It was clearly lostboytexas. Then Jacob said, "no, he doesn't even like this show." POOM.
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Don't you think though, that Claire was, "dead"/in the process of being claimed, after the house fell on her? Meaning she wouldn't remember the stuff that happened that night.
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Didn't Jack say on his voicemail to David I'm going over to BLANKS house, if you are there stay? And then it was clearly the other house David lives in? Was that his Moms house? And what name did Jack say? My DVR won't let me re-watch the episode.
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I think it depends on how they handle it. I do wonder if that has to be it. I mean, that was their goal, to have normal lives. Maybe this season is how they get there. And Juliet's final thoughts according to Miles were, essentially "It worked."As for whether we like it or not, I realize we're all just chatting, but I'd want to wait and see how it ends before deciding. I can see a more satisfying Dark Tower-ish ending, only with a better epilogue and more finality.Also the "Candidate." Jack seems the obvious choice for the Candidate. However if the flash-sideways is the end, Jack must play an important part but if he ends up in the alt timeline as-is he obviously cannot end up as the protector of the Island. Which possibly means somebody without a life in the alternate timeline must be the "Candidate" who ends up being the Island's guardian. Are there any of the Candidates whose names were not scratched off the wall that we have not seen in the alternate version having a life? My guess would be Desmond since he seemed to go all Quantum Leap and then disappear reminiscent of Jacob, but he wasn't listed on Jacob's wall was he?I'm probably way off, but we'll see. I'd still be open to any thoughts or opinions.-Cheers
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In Dharmaville season 4, during the freighter attack, Keamy and his men completely exploded one of the Dharma Houses, and it certainly appeared as though Claire was in it/very near it/should be entirely dead. Kinda forgot about that...maybe it does play into that. But would that mean Rousseau was really dead too? or was she a different kind of crazy? Like a legitimate insane crazy, but was never "claimed" or made sick, but went insane. Whereas Claire is infected/claimed/dead, and thats why she is her type of crazy? I just felt like they were drawing parallels to her and rousseaus brand of crazy
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Now that Hurley has explicitly suggested that the skeletons are some of our Survivors who have travelled back in time, I'm lead to believe they're actually NOT. Usually Hurley mentioning things is the show's way of casually debunking them. (i.e. his asking Jack of the Monster was a dinosaur in Season 1, or the whole vision-in-his-head story of Season 2's "Dave.")
So if they're not Survivors, but they're integral to the show's endgame/revelations, my new guess is that they're Jacob and the Man in Black. No one suggests this because one of the skeletons was female - BUT how do we know what gender MIB was for sure? Maybe in the Season 5 finale beach scene "he" was already taking the form of some other dead person.
Not too sure if this isn't too goofy, but it would explain what MIB said about having been human. Perhaps MIB and Jacob died on Island to become it's protector and security system... It would also fit with the skeletons possessing black and white stones...
Just a thought.
As always, LOST BLOG: www.sagaciouspenguin.blogspot.com. I have yet to get my Lighthouse Analysis up, but my Substitute one is still awesome :)
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...This season is not doin as great as it should for a final season... i dont like how it seems so much is forced to us in so little time... the ep was good as far as a Jack ep goes, but i feel like there is a seven season i dont know of thats why theyre not tryin to bitch slap me... but i think, like most viewers, the real story comes from Des... if he does get a ep, i hope it turns this all around... few other thoughts, got to the show late, did they play Jacks wife voice or say her name? i have a feelin if not, ol home wrecker witthe man hands and adequate breasts could be his baby momma... AND IM THINKIN MY THEORY FROM YESTERDAY COULD BE EVEN RIGHTER THAN I FIRST THOUGHT (Jacob usin Widmore)... i would hope thats the person he is referrin to cuz this season needs some big mindfucks to go off!
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...Is it just me or do they keep puttin high school age kids in the show in the lax? and each ep you expect walt to pop up... last night or even last week ep would been great for walt to appear... and yay, another minority dead!
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His most recent one as of my posting this. Well stated about a bunch of things. As to this last episode, it was alright but if that's their finale future, if the alt-timeline is how they end up, then who cares? I've never seen that kid or that wife before, why do I care if Jack is with them?
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I can easily buy Claire flipping out and filling in her own story for her missing baby. Hell, women have done horrible things to their children and gone to the grocery afterwards - when questioned later they say things like "Oh my children are at their Grandmother's house".
Never underestimate the psychological impact of a Mother losing her children (even if _she_ was responsible!)
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First to everyone else, I'm sorry. I know this won't work, but I gotta try. Curiosity has gotten the better of me. So lostboy, What's the end-game? Obviously, you couldn't be so stupid as to believe you'll change anyone's mind. So, you just do it for the attention? But, then why LOST? You could go to any chat room and get abused. Why, here? And, I mean this, I really want to know. Were you abused, as a child? Do you come here because you only feel comfortable when people beat up on you? Or are you hoping you will ruin the show for someone? If so, if you just get off on other peoples misfortune, just start robbing motherfuckers. Stop being such a pussy, and only getting out your aggression anonymously online. Do it face to face like a real man would. Honestly, you really do fascinate me. I picture you as this pathetic humanoid, wallowing in his own shit, tears constantly streaming down your face as you reach out to ANYONE,ANYONE who will talk to you,because everyone that knows you,treats you like the social leper I'm sure you are, but you're probably pretty normal most of the time. So how do you go from being whoever you are in your daily life, to the bucket of fuck you become on these boards? Really I want to know.
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not even sure i would call it "real".
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It seems SMOKIE represents FREE WILL, whereas Jacob represents DESTINY(or the idea that it IS pre-determined).Perhaps the idea is that BOTH exsist.Now why these 2 are the "reps" for each side, and dueling it out is still nuts...but..
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I am with you man. LOST is my all time favorite show but I am not in love with this season so far. I am not really liking this flash sideways stuff. Maybe that will change down the road but right now it isn't doing much for me as a viewer. It does seem like all of there lives are somewhat better though. Could be a hint that Jacob is not such a good guy after all, which I do not think he is.
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It's described as a four-letter word. There are no A's or E's in the word? Really?
Ok. Well, Beyond, SHIT, FUCK, COCK, and the fun that can be had with all that..it's pretty clear here or has been what I think it is..but sure I'll give it a shot. Alphabetically:
BRIG
CRUX
DOOR
FOUL
GOTH
HOLY
IDOL
JURY
KIDS
LOST
MYTH
NULL
ONUS
PORT
QUID
RUIN
SHIP
TROY
UFOS
VOID
WOMB
XYST
YOGI
ZULU
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I would go with Claire=Claimed crazy, Rousseau=crazy crazy. Pillow vs. pillow=crazy awesome
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Very nice!-Cheers
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I think I just realized that its because every season has introduced a big threat and/or conflict and pretty much failed to resolve it in an interesting way... We haven't really been building to a Jacob/MIB confrontation since S1 so it doesnt feel like a payoff, just the latest conflict. We spent a lot of Season 2 on the Tailies, only to see most of them killed off. We spent a long time on Ben vs Widmore and thought that was the big game, and it kind of fizzled out (even if it was basically explained). We spent a season with "you have to go back to the island, or they'll all die" only for them to get back to the island and not really do much other than hang around Dharma.
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I could see that. What we thought was the human form in last years finale may have been a state she was stuck in. Like Locke now. I also dig the lighthouse cave as penis girly hole analgy to back it up. They both have lists. One is light, the other dark. If they really are Adam and Eve, Eve taking the fruit may have started the whole cycle.
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sort of. What twere the myth arc and all... who get's shot when and sleeps with who there and falls of cliff then. no.
But the TPTB knew where the edges of the envelope were. I offer again. Season 1. Episode 1. 4 minutes in; Taijitu.
God, can't tell you how long I have wanted to type about that. -
With so many interesting characters killed off over the years, it makes it harder to care what happens to our core douchebags.
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Right, but could you please answer me? I'm being nice about it.
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...After readin the new comments, im glad im not the only one bein disappointed... and i agree wit whoever when they said lost changes each season, and the change for this season hasnt hit me like i should... i am skepitical of this bein "planned out" but it doesnt matter except they should got to this point faster... the answer to adam and eve probably wont be satisfyin now since its most likely two people we dont care bout (please writers, it HAS to be someone we knew for at least fifteen episodes)... we need Des to save this show and make us see this wit new mindfucked eyes...
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Adam and Eve are ..in point of fact.. Adam and Eve. I mentioned, I featured gender would be non-relevant to creatures of super natural specification, but I never thought to take it that far.
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"I guess I 'm stickin with a 'DOOR' ..and if i am wrong... I am never watching again." Of course when we actually find out it could be the very last episode so none of us will ever see another episode again.
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...Um o6 went back to the island last season, why are we hearin everyones reason this season? wastin my time! Claire friend reveal was stupid (but could have been saved if she said his NAME! but maybe he just doesnt have a name)... the more i think, the more i feel i will be disappointed in the end especially if they dont bring back Widmore... seriously, the heart of the show is Des and Widmore and Ben (also Locke but he is gone)... Des needs to do some crazy special stuff, Widmore needs to be a heartless sob and Ben needs to manipulate... if these three cant work anymore in the show, give me my freakin love triangle back... all this could have been avoided if they just dropped a bomb last night...
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The 23rd Psalm is an episode name of lost. It is also the number on the wheel in the lighthouse with Jacks last name, Shephard. The psalm is about the Lord being a shepherd. What's up with that reference?
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...He is funny and sure does get on some of your nerves... but i think he is that guy who writes that never seen lost before blog, they seem to have the same voice... but i agree wit his dogen comment in a way, would been more satisfyin if it was Friendly (and even crazier since we know he sexed Jack at othervile)
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and thats why we love it. Nothing has turned out the way we all initially thought. Locke was supposed to be a bad ass. They revealed to us that he was in fact a pussy, and when it seemed he was getting close to becoming something important...they killed him.
Jack was supposed to be the leader, then he turned out to be a broken man, a mess, frustrating to watch.
Sawyer was supposed to be a dumb hick and instead, thus far, is the only character to have really grown.
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with the ending of this show. Sure some of the episodes have been below par and I am not exactly interested with the flash-sides stuff (yet) but this lost homie and they have been extremely good to me in the past years.
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maybe he's queer.. why do you care?
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Seeing our beloved LOSTies in a life free from the Island and Jacob and seeing how they might be better for it. Some characters are similar to how they were before, some extremely
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I think the flash sideways look like an happy ending until we learn that they lead to the end of the world and that the original timeline must be the one that last for Jacob to win his game with MIB.
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What was Walts last name? For some reason I thought he didn't share his dads last name.
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The Jack story was - in the flash-whatever- a redemptive one with him resolving his father issues via his son- only niggle - 1 Pizza between two people - my little piggies can eat 1 large one each.
On the Island I thought that Jack was facing into his issues as well until the daft twat broke the mirror before he looked to see who 108 was. What a tosser - but, as flawed heroes go , he's certainly flawed.
Liked the hints that the flashes are not an alt timeline - if they were then surely Jack would not be confused by his scar - more hints that this just may be the future.
Hurley was fab - Claire was not really terribly believable - didn't need to see Dogan off the Island but it hints , as did Ben, that the Others won't be on the Island at the end either.
I thought, where in the past you could credit the show with subtlety and there were bits for the hard core fans to get their teeth into, they have now started to hit us over the head with things like the skeletons, just to ensure that the average viewer gets the message - just a little niggle.
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Yeah, it was kinda filler, but necessary I think. There is a lot to explain still, but it all still needs character development. At this moment, as in Season 4, we are seeing the pieces on the chess board being moved around.
I liked that we finally saw a Jack this episode that on one side maybe found a bit more purpose, realizes he has a part to play in the whole scheme of things, had (perhaps) one last moment of unthinking frustration, before finally sitting down and actually reflecting (coming back to Sawyers very accurate description of Jack last season).
In his parallel timeline, we see how even in this other reality he still struggled with wanting to fix things, his fathers negative influence, and found some good perspective allowing him to actually fix something, his relationship with his son. In both realities we see a more centered Jack.
Last week was just as meandering as this episode, but more satisfying to most people because Sawyer and Locke have become the shows most interesting characters. But we do see sides taking form, all coming towards some kind of conflict. Sawyer, Locke, Claire on one side, Jack and Hurley on the other.
Taking its time doesnt really bother me because I watch Season 1 on DVD so I know that certain aspects of the show work better on DVD because when you watch it week to week it takes fucking forever, but can appreciate better the opportunity to get on these talkbalks, throw theories back and forth and get a clearer understanding of whats going on. -
Okay, dude, you are the worst kind of pathetic little bitch. You talk big, like you stand behind your opinions, then the second someone asks you to defend or explain them you slink away and find someone closer to your incredibly low intelligence level so you can badger them and feel superior. I asked you a few honest questions, and you are so fucking sad you can't even answer them? WOW! Just WOW!
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Lets assume for a moment that the candidates are referred to by their fathers last names, then Walt may be one of the Dawsons. Were they both crossed off? If this is true, Wallace could be someone we already know but going by a last name we dont recognize? A thought.
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Someone else mentioned this and I thought the same. His name seemed scratched in deeper than the others and also seemed to be scratched over someone elses name. I thought it was just me but someone else said it too. Significant?
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But I'd have to check the screencaps again.
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I love the alternate timeline. And I was practically dead set against it when I saw the preview of episode 1 and it was evident that was the route they were going ... Anyway, great stuff. I am forever confused by people who get annoyed by the touchy-feely, emotional, character scenes. It's been the bedrock of Lost since day one.
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the one in the temple that spoke Korean or what ever. Which reminds me. I can't wait to see how he reacts to UnLocke showing up at the temple. Couldn't he have Claire kick the ash to the side so he can enter.
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Its a typical prop thing to make the word and name you want pple to notice to stand out more by making it a bit bigger and bolder. If you need a show explanation, then maybe Jacob made the names he had more faith in bigger and bolder. If it looks like the name was erased and rewritten, then blame the prop guys for possible misspelling the name.
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but loved the episode, no not as good as the Locke ep, which was awesome but was great.
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Feb 24, 2010 10:08:00 AM CST
Actually that other "Dawson", #40, doesn't look like Dawson...
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Looks like a different spelling of Dogen to me. DowgeN. Or a Dowsen.
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First, too massively overly kind. It was, for a moment, as if you put down your pagan, became Jeebus, walkin to and fro, touchin lepers or somethin.
and B) Fuck. "Wanna buy another vowel? Okay, but you only get one." Now I read the rest of the puzzle in your post... Thats what got me on my SAT's. Fuck. Really? One vowel. God-dammit. Well, I screwed myself above did I not. Can I change my answer to 'BRIG' or 'SHIP'? No? dammit.
Well, don't ever be that nice, even in sarcasm, again. It scares me. Shakes and shudders my world view, ya know? And if your snark, like Jacob, dies, surely, as the lord has said, the world will end and my balls will turneth to stone.
PS. meant to say how righteous your Booger, or Miles, well, your Curtis Armstrong quote above was.Fantastic, and, you gotta be impressed with how many commas I used. No? Nothin? ok.
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very good scenes with his son, can definetely relate to Jack on a son level, I too wonder what sort of father I will be and will I be like my father, even the parts I dont like
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You've got no reason to attack me. Except to demonstrate what a prick you are. And if that's the game you want to play, then I have nothing but pity for you.
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Is it really not obvious to everybody that the skeletons are of Rose and Bernard? Seems silly that there are theories "brought forward" around the two as being Jacob and MIB.
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Yeah, you didn't come up with it on your own. I beat ya to it, didn't I. Sorry pal, gotta be quicker next time I suppose. Yeah, there's a bit too much speculation about why Jack's name was big and bold. I just answered it for you. It was a bit too obvious I guess.
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the island is a door between possibilities, or parallel worlds, i.e. whatever universe you are in the island exists, even if it's underwater
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That was my point- it does NOT matter why Jack's name appears big and bold. Its not important.
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No, its not Rose and Bernard. That would involve a whole bunch more time travel, like Hurley said, and they said time travel is totally over with. I don't know why you think that, but if you end up right, more power to you. I think Hurley commenting on the ongoing theory they are someone we know who died in the past is confirmation that is definetly not what it really is. They woulnd't have made fun of us like that if it was.
Also, best line of the night, and one of the most poignant in all of LOST.
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They weren't near the blast and might not have been thrown forward in time. We don't know when they are right now, Crow. It might not involve more time travel. Jack could have gotten his years wrong for how long they'd been there.
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Was suzuki and yamada friends of Dogen, is Dogen actually one of them
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Stop picking on McGoo, because you're mad at me. It belies a very low intelligence. And a huge lack of creativity. C'mon buddy.
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strongly recommend it, thinking about Lost a lot while reading it (though my wife would say I think about Lost whilst breathing), parallel universes, actions in one universe having an effect of another or all others
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Its only there to make it easier to see for the audience. Same reason the LOSTies names in the cave were bigger and bolder. There's nothing to it.
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King is the man
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And as to Shephard's name..Did you feature that the way it was wrote was almost as if it was simultaneously written and crossed off? The way all the vowels cross strokes were elongated. No? ok.
Now, ya need to know. Someone right above you has requested you "how go bang your head off a spike you retard"
And just because of the awesome cadence of that non-sensical jibber jaber, in my opinion, I think you should comply.
Do you have a spike handy? I reckon I could UPS a spike. (3rd day ground) If you really need a spike.
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Seriously, now you're going after everyone but me?
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Sounds like part of the sound is a plane landing to me
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We always have to defend the show to you, so why can you not handle your own medicine? Defend yourself. Why do you matter?
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When I think of Wallace I firstly think of Wallace and Gromit, then I think of Sir William Wallace, that most of you would know from the movie Braveheart.
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Austen is 51.
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Because of the horizontal line strokes, like you said. But I don't think it means anything. Nothing at all. Here's a screencap: http://tinyurl.com/yfb2utt
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Awwwww, how cute...
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1) Were you.. 'appreciating' Dogen's 'profanity'. I mean don't you love the things you can get away with on English TV if you say it in an 'other' tongue. Guess Joss Whedon had that bit right with the Mandarin swearing about in 'Firefly'..
2) Do you own the Season 1 DVD's? If you do, i am still lookin for some confirmation that in Epi 1.5 'White Rabbit' Shephard's eyes are actually blue at Time 00:34:40. Just look, when you get a chance.
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Loved the episode, by the way. Great combination of character richness, cool exploration, and spine-tingly moments.
@badboymason - I know what you mean about building conflict without climaxes, though I still have faith we'll get more on both the Ben/Widmore battle as well as the reason the O6 had to return and that both will of major importance. I think that the two best climaxes to rising conflict so far have been (as you say) S4's Freighter Explosion as well as S3's defeat of Ben and his Others. The S3 one in particular seemed almost like the perfect climax to all three seasons so far, and opened up the story for the 2nd half of the saga. The S5 finale did feel like an anti climax since the importance of "The Incident" remains vague to us. And the opening of S6 has followed suit for the same reason. Here's hoping that both that and the Ben/Widmore battle pay off bigtime by Season's end.
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Yeah, I made my decision. Where's Wallace at? Where the fuck is Wallace? Where's Wallace, String? String! Where the fuck is Wallace? Huh? Stringer?!
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I instantly thought Widmore, because the way Jacob made it sound like he was already on the way. I didn't even think of Desmond, because I can't really think of a reason for him to come back, except to get revenge on Ben. Walt is another option. What was his mother/stepfathers last name? I guess three year old Aaron is a possiblity, but I don't see that happening.I am putting odds on Widmore - with Desmond in tow. In a future episode we will see Desmond go to Widmore for help with the Ben problem. Widmore will help Des get back with knowing that they both have a role to play in the endgame.
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Sorry, guys. You gotta admit though, it's really fascinating. If he would've actually talked to me, I figure it's as close as I could've gotten to interviewing a serial killer. I had to try, I am nothing if not ruled by my own morbid curiosity.
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I wish people wouldn't make allusions to the Dark Tower and the Dome.
The end of the Dark Tower was considered an anti-climactic mess by many people and I wouldn't want to see the writers turn up in the latter episodes of Lost - King lost the plot on that one - in my view anyway.
The Dome even exceeds the reasonless conflict that I sometimes accuse Lost of. The lead bad guy in the Dome, who is plainly bat-shit crazy and as two dimensional as THe Hooded Claw- still gets most of the townsfolk to follow his lead - again comparing Lost to that P.O.S just exposes some of the weaknesses in Lost - although nowhere near as bad as anything King has put out !! -
wonder if there are any rules around foreign languages on network tv
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Austen has a number. SgtMaj Sam Austen, 2/75th Rangers? You got any proof 'other' wise.
Do I get a no-prize? And, you still sure there is no 'wonster'.
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There are and there aren't. It's weird. Fairly obscure languages, you can get away with but usually not with commonly know ones. Oddly enough they really only care about what would be a "direct" translation curse. But sayings in other languages always get through. Even though the saying is incredibly vulgar. Kinda funny.
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I know you hate me and all, but I just wanted to say I also thought of The SgtMaj when I saw Austen on there...except, then I thought, it turned out that guy wasn't really her dad at all, right? She thought...nay, hoped he was, and she killed the guy she thought wasn't her dad...but it turned out the Major wasn't really her dad...so somehow I doubt that is the case...because they weren't really related. That is correct right? Someone other than MacFaux feel free to tell me if I remember that right.
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You are correct.
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Door only has one vowel.
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Just made the mistake of re-reading "Salem's Lot". As I feared about going back to some of his clasics...it is not that good of a book in retrospect.Your mileage may vary.
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Jack's mom told him that his Appendix happened when he was a kid.
Whisky Tango Foxtrot...
I thought the only thing to get affected by the flash sideways was what happened after the events of the plan landing at LAX.
Jacob didn't "touch" jack until he was a adult and a doctor.
So, does this mean, that everything in their lives may have changed when their were kids in this flash sideways and not after Jacob touched them?
This could mean Sawyer is not Sawyer, but jsut James Ford and the Sawyer guy never conned his parents and....
Well Kate was never affected, she is still on the run...
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That one, along with Modern Family, got some weekly dvr space.
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Not too much revealed by them, sadly.
Except that Jack seems to treat his son better than Christian treated Jack, as per mobisode#1. It would have been more interesting if Jack had given his son the watch.
Also, I never knew that Walt had super-powers! Too bad they've never gone back to that little plot point. -
"me + you + trashcan = me raping your mouth with a trashcan and loving it."
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Know what you are dealing with cause, we all knew right then, we were all were dealing with somethin..well.. 'special'
Her Modus Operandi is to copy and paste others work, search out others spoilers and like a sweet lil pusssy..
...cat, drop that carcass on your living room floor. And then stare at you longingly, waitin for an ear scratch, a tummy rub. She has no notion of sublime, subtle, sly, slinky or sarcasm.
Note- See above. The way she blew by the Japanese 'profanity' post ..never understanding the 'quote''unquote' of it..right to claws and scratching on Miyamoto for no reason what so ever.
You are, correct, she is a Quantico case study of pre-formative serial killer. Many have come to that conclusion. Her greatest life ambition? Screw Pa, Cheif, Rizzo, Jay, Colonel, any one who loves LOST with spoilers.
I ask you, as Non-John asked Ben, "Ain't that the saddest thing you have ever heard" ..I mean obviously it is not, but here..it is pretty sad. pathetic. even pitiful. -
. . . everything after around 1977. It appears that the flash caused the island to sink, which means everybody who was on the island in 1977 should be dead, and everybody who was not on the island yet never goes there.
However, there is a problem with this theory, since I BELIEVE Ben was supposed to be on the island BEFORE the flash. Which would mean he shouldn't be on the mainland in Reality#2.
So, at the end of the day, I'm just guessing.
That said, I think it was Cuse who said that the Losties were being arrogant when they assumed that the only change they would make would be the plane. The flash would clearly have a wider affect than that, regardless of when it actually happens. -
Find the anagram (using a last name of one of the characters) out of the Not in Portland easter egg "only fools are enslaved by time and space"
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Now, I say this because I'm completely ignorant of most things "Dark Tower" and have not read the books, but does anyone think its possible that Darlton are sort of making this their take on the Dark Tower (Lost, that is) BECAUSE the ending was considered to be a mess? Are the problems with the ending things that could be improved upon or altered to be unique?
I say this because one of the more interesting takes on a famous story I saw in the 00's was Match Point. I'm not usually a Woody Allen guy, but he took on Crime and Punishment, took the BIGGEST literary criticism of the book (that luck played a part in a story) and made it the theme of his movie.
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Feb 24, 2010 11:20:28 AM CST
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot should be someone's Talkback name.
by royston lodge
Almost daily, I wish I'd thought up a better name than Royston Lodge...
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If I knew how to type gut busting laughter while simultaneously wastin my whiskey in the form of a Danny Kaye spit take all over my laptop. just know.
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I'm not sure the #108 at the lighthouse has much significance. The point of bringing Hugo and Jack there was two-fold, according to Jacob: so Jack could see the image in the mirror to show him how important he is, and to get them away from the temple. Just my two cents.
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DARK TOWER SPOILER....For those that still plan to read it.You should hope not.7 books and close to 7,000 pages and in the end, the main character winds up in the exact same place he started with one minor (or not so minor) difference. The inference being that MAYBE, this time he would be able to do better than his last attempt to save the world.
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Well. What's the second rule of no-prize. I mean if there is an ordination of first, there must be a second. I swear by this I for swear... I will try harder to win it
Is it won..or is it like Gov't tin, ya know...'awarded'. Brilliant! Roy Lod. Brilliant. -
At the risk of bringing Buffy into this !!!
I'm going by the theory that, once the Island story is played out, then everbody is returned to the "real" world and, like Dawn in Buffy, reality is altered somewhat to make them fit. Hence Jacks appendix situation, which happened on the Island, needs to have an event in this new reality.
The appendix op confusion, and Jacks lack of knowledge of his sons piano playing for the last 3 years may be a hint that this may be the case and that this "reality fix" isn't exactly sticking with Jack. -
So...Sawyer's church pops up first...the day Jacob 'touched' him...and Jin & Suns wedding pagoda show up next...the day he touched both of them.
So....why did Jack see his childhood home? Jacob touched him with the Apollo Bar at the vending machine in the hospital.
Is it possible that Jack was visited by Jacob as a child....way before the hospital visit?
No telling how far the ripple effect of Jughead's blast will have in the sideways universe. Did it erase Dharma & Alvar from ever finding the island in the first place....thus...Roger is never recruited, thus Ben is never brought to the island? Not sure about you....but I get the feeling Dogen was on the island a long time BEFORE the 1977 blast...so why would he have never made it to the island? That said...did the blast erase the need for its protection and candidates? -
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lostboytexass is a woman!?! Seriously, I apologize. I didn't know that. I wouldn't have used the term bitch then. I meant it as in someone who bitches too much. You still suck lostboy,but yeah.
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Again, Dark Tower Spoiler, vague but still there:The ending left a HUGE change in the story and the strong implication of a happy ending the next time around. That "minor detail" would/might not effect the plot until the last handful of pages or so (or it might impact things in lots of ways, but I think most of it would stay identical), but its impact would be pretty shattering and radical for Roland.
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That's just MacFishstick's latest MacFishSCHTICK. Highbrow insult humor, calling someone 'she'. He hates the gays. No one knows why.
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I must have missed that scene entirely with Kate and the Walther P38 since I don't remember it at all.
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I did say "or not so minor". Still, your point is taken.
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The island is actually a paedophile grooming camp.
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"Jack loses his entire inheritence to a Claire....Littleton? Christian is a prick!"
There's no indication Christian gave his entire inheritance to Claire. I think Mom Shepherd is reading the will and realized a girl named Claire is getting some kind of compensation. They'll eventually find out Christian had another child from a lady in Australia. -
I just think that, revision(?) or detail was kinda/sorta essentially a way to say things are all rainbows and daffodils either at the very end, or maybe even from that point on. My personal opinion is that it's an open-ended ending that sort of implies that ending I think everybody wanted does, in fact, actually happen. So either one of two things is likely. First is I'm right and the ending is actually pretty clever and fulfilling the more you think about it. Second would be I'm wrong and it's a defense-mechanism. Because I was mad, I mean furious, absolutely bitter and beside myself when I got through reading The Dark Tower. Eventually, I mulled it over and liked the ending and would love to chat with King about what an epilogue would have read like.But I was quite irritated at the end. Real unhappy with it at first.-Cheers
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DOOR. Has one syllable. and two vowels. I'm not tryin to big time you. I may have mis-read the puzzle more than once. probably. Shit, mi amigo. I'd rather you were right 'other' wise.. most of my crazy theory is fakakta if the Island ain't a DOOR.
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King has always had his trouble with endings, hasn't he? Does that mean he gets the benefit of the doubt about his DT ending? Just asking. You were not the only one disappointed by the ending. And SK is not exactly the 'king' of subtlety, usually.
Didn't know it but just read that he is coming out with another Dark Tower book, some short stories that take place between books 3 and 4. -
I wasn't overly bothered about the circularity of the story - that felt entirely in keeping with the world created.
I was pissed at the mechanical way that some fairly major characters both good and bad were dealt with in the final book. It was one huge damp squib - especially the Tower itself.
I supoose you could say that maybe it was true to life or that everything can't have a grand stand finale but, for cripes sake, I'd waded through 7000 pages to get to that shit. -
As in an elevator. Picture every possible reality stacked on top of itself like a high-rise. And the island is the elevator.
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...and the candidates add up to replace him. Although given that this is Lost, it'll most likely be a character that won't be introduced until the second to last episode.
It's a shame that Jack is back to his old reckless self this season. I was actually starting to like him in the last. He's like a spoiled child who needs a good, hard slapping. Hardly candidate material. -
Do you think that the writers and producers GET that Jack is a Jackass at times? Is he intentionally being written that way? Or is he the Hero to them, and they don't really get why there is a large pool of Jack-hate in the audience?
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Feb 24, 2010 12:11:36 PM CST
Of course there's a second rule, but the first rule...
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His endings, for me, depend. I like how The Stand ended, Mist was nice and open-ended, didn't love Salem's Lot, not any big splash endings coming to mind. I haven't read much from him in recent years though.Does King get the benefit of a doubt in the DT? I always try to give the benefit of the doubt. But I'm not just giving him one here because it's the DT, so much as it's something he had a long time to write and plan so I am guessing/hoping he had been leading to this ending for a while, and also because that one fairly small detail added on the last page I think effects the ultimate outcome and I think gives me the happy ending.That said, I'd love to see a different ending. There is significant room for improvement. First, the actual ending could have been much more satisfying in quite a few ways. Sorry but it's true. Second, and if you've read the book you'll know exactly what I'm talking about, "EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!" Everything surrounding that sucked.So yeah, even though I came to grips with the ending, I have to remember selectively for it to still end up NOT making me angry. And if he meant the series to end up the way I think he did, that's fine, however I think the delivery was a problem more than the implied (arguably WAAAAAY too vague) ending. Still, the ending I came up with in my head, which is what I suspect King wanted readers to do for whatever reason, is actually not bad.Dark Tower Short Stories . . . Could be good. But really, if I'm being totally honest I like the tone of The Dark Tower in the first four books the best. I'm curious if his style/tone will match that or not. That whole getting hit by a car thing seemed to rattle him and his writing was arguably never the same afterward. But I'll probably read it regardless.-Cheers
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I wonder the same thing about Kate. Do they know they've written her in such a way that, it makes it damn near impossible to care about her? She flip/flops more than anyone on the show.
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I think Jack is written about as perfectly as any character ever put on tv. He is so consistent. Yes, hes the leader, but like he says he is broken. Not irrevocably, at least not yet, but a broken person. They know exactly what they are doing, because that is what makes him a "character" If he was just the Hero, and did everything right, hed be so much less interesting. I understand why so many people dislike Jack, I just find it disingenuous. The writers are aware of it though. The only reason you people hate him is because instead of being what you want, a vessel for answers and the levelheaded "leader" who asks the right questions, he acts like a complicated human being. Put oyurself in his shoes for real, not as an audience member watching a crazy ass show, and you wouldnt be too hot on seeing your house in a mirror either, or finding out your entire life has been a manipulation and wasnt really your life at all. I love Jack. Every season I like him more as a character. Sure, hes frustrating as fuck someitmes, but like Ive said, its entirely consistent. hes just being Jack. Our broken-ass hero.
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In Reality#2, we know that Dharmaville was constructed at some point, because we saw it underwater in the Season Premiere.
Therefore, the Dharma Initiative DID exist in Reality#2. So we can surmise that Jughead altered reality AFTER around 1962 (since we know Dharma was founded as a reaction to the Cuban Missle Crisis).
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Yes, King seemed to have gotten very hit or miss (no pun intended - well, that's not true) after his hit and run van accident. But lately, as I mentioned above, I have been worried about reading his earlier classics for fear to find that out that I have grown as a reader and don't find them as great as I used to.Recently re-read "It" and "Salem's Lot". Found SL not all that great. "It" has some amazing parts and some truly laughable parts.
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Feb 24, 2010 12:18:09 PM CST
Also, we saw the Dharma logo in the season premiere...
by royston lodge
...on Ezra J. Sharkington's tail.
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I see a lot of Roland in Jack. As readers we wanted to look at Roland, especially at first, as the guy with the answers, with the plan, who does the right thing. but as it goes on, we see Roland is entirely broken, and headstrong, and cares very little for anyone but himself. he tries to, he even convinces himself to, but in the end, its the tower. its his destiny. Hes more complex than being "the hero" They both make decisions for people that they dont want to have any part of, they are both responsible for the deaths of so many people they "cared" about, and both of them can barely handle it by the end. its great stuff, imo
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Seems like a more realistic hero to me.
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Don't get me wrong. I am actually not in the camp that hates Jack, although I understand why some do. I think your assessment is very astute.
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That's not that strange a concept is it? It seems to me that people bitching about Jack really want to just flat out admire the (arguably) lead character in the series. Personally I am grateful instead of a square jawed Dudley Do-Right we have this conflicted - yes sometimes annoying - guy instead.
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"I was pissed at the mechanical way that some fairly major characters both good and bad were dealt with in the final book. It was one huge damp squib - especially the Tower itself."Couldn't agree more. Crimson King, Mordred? What was up with that? Susannah's plates? The pop-culture tie-ins were a bit much. And Randall could have had a little better, well, something. Eddie and Jake and Oy were all done well; can't say I liked how they were dealt with so much as it felt powerful.I agree there could (should?) have been a better pay-off for what was supposed to be an epic for the prevention of the unraveling of the universe(s). Getting this back to lost, that is why I think the ending of Lost, or at least the present situation, might be patterned after The Dark Tower. They will almost have to do something different than it because it's known how big of fans the show writers are of The Dark Tower. But I would not be surprised if there are similarities throughout the season and possibly in how it ends. But that's just a shot in the dark.-Cheers
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Ben was born in 1964, and he was 8 years old when he came to the island, which means he first came to the island in 1972.
Therefore, in Reality#2, either the island was sunk prior to 1972 or Ben was on the island, but went back to the mainland before the island was sunk.
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Feb 24, 2010 12:26:05 PM CST
Maybe they can bury Jacks son next to Nikki and Paulo....
by beefywhore
that'd be great.
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And I wonder if we'll see him tell Locke of memories as a kid of being on a strange Island that his dad told him later didn't exist. Or maybe his dad stayed and died on the Island too.
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I get the feeling none of the people we know from the Island ever went there at all. Obviously I have no evidence for this at this point, nor what it means in terms of when/what year the island "sunk", but doesn't it just seem like, with every one of the island others we meet, that they are just so overwhelmingly normal. Theres just no hint of anything exceptional or interesting about any of them. Ben grew up and became a teacher. Dogen has a son who isn't that great musically. It just seems like if they had ever been to the island, they wouldn't be so damned normal somehow. Just a thought though. Maybe its a big conspiracy, who knows
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I could be getting things mixed up. But wasn't there an evacuation of 'non-essential' personnel by Chang right before The Incident? And if so, wouldn't young Ben have been part of that?
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Roland was atrue leader
Roland had a purpose
Roland had some expertise in the environment he was in
Roland wasn't a petulant cry baby.
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Damned time-travel made it oh-so complicated.
Ok, in 1977, prior to The Incident (which I still assume is where the two realities diverge), Pierre Change evacuated all the women and children from the island.
But Ben was not evacuated because he was at The Temple, being healed from Sayid's gunshot.
But in reality #2, BECAUSE of The Incident, Sayid never visited the island, never went back in time, and never shot Ben. So Ben was evacuated and never took his place as the leader of The Others.
Because of all the damned time-travel, even though The Incident happened in 1977, events that depend upon the Losties PRIOR to 1977 never happened.
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Feb 24, 2010 12:36:41 PM CST
I have a theory about the "alternate realities" week 3!
by keepfuckingthatchicken
I am gonna post this every week in the Lost talkbacks so I can prove I am right in May. What if Desmond, Charlie, Hurley, Sawyer, Jack, Kate etc. being in Los Angeles WASN'T an alternate reality and WASN'T happening as the same time as the castaways being on the island. WHAT IF that the castaways being back in LA is technically Season 7? Hear me out. Season 4 was a Flash Forward season. One part was on the island, but future events took place off of the island. What if the same was taking place in season 6? I believe they are doing the Flash Forward method again. There was only ONE result from the explosion and that is them being still on the island. I think by the end of season 6, there will be an time changing EVENT that will cause the castaways' to jump back onto the Oceanic 815 where Jack is looking out of the plane, Kate back on handcuffs, Hurley being lucky, etc etc. What season 6 is the finale of the island as well as the flashforwards being "season 7"/the epilogue of them being home FINALLY with no recollection of the events from the island. It would explain why they look weird and funny at each other when they see each other again in LA. Whatever event makes them jump back into the past and on the plane does a MIB memory wipe of the island to everyone who makes it back on the plane without it crashing. At the end of season 6, I think the event will cause the island to be underwater hidden for good and we will see how the castaways got back on the plane without anything bad happening to them (At least to Rose (even though she has cancer still) , Bernard, Charlie, Desmond, Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Boone, Locke (who is looking like he will be saved by Jack in "Season 7", Hurley, Jin, Sun and Claire). It is like getting the best of both worlds for a finale. Haven't you all noticed that nothing bad is happening to people in the "Faux Alternate Reality"? There is NOTHING within these first 5 episodes that says they will connect the 2 storylines together, which shows that the scenes off the island has great potential to be the actual ending to all of the characters. Them on the island now and the castaways not being on the island AT ALL because of the Event that will take place at the end of season 6 to cause them to be back on the plane. Season 5's attempt to use the bomb to get back on the plane FAILED but someone will come up with another plan (Maybe now "Evil" Locke/Man in Black's plan to escape) and it will work finally at the end of Season 6 on the island. After last night's episode with Jack and his son, I hope they keep doing good things with the characters. All these characters have been flawed in the past 5 seasons so to see some good come in their lives is rewarding in a way. Last week, people wrote comments towards me like Darryl_Revok and 2 legged Freak. So just wanted to say thanks to Darryl_Revok for his first comment about my name and 2LF- Justice was made against Ben when he saw "Locke" alive even though it wasnt him. And with the island being underwater, why does there need to be a protector of it? It is safely underwater.
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The candidates are the numbers. Jacob touched the candidates. The numbers all add up to 108. Each candidate is an internal part of Jacob (therefore no females as candidates).
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Feb 24, 2010 12:41:11 PM CST
The showrunners are the ones who say it's not a flashforward.
by royston lodge
Cuse and Lindehof are the ones who say it's a flash-sideways, not a flash-forward.
I still like my theory. Reality#1 is one where the Valenzetti Equation has been changed, so the world is not going to end. Reality#2 is one where the Valenzetti has not been changed, so the world will end at the end of the season. -
...is that Locke's name hasn't been crossed out yet. But he's dead. Isn't he?
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...is feeling like bad fan fic, much like the last season of many great shows from Buffy to X-Files to Roseanne.
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Didn't the ghost of Claire visit Kate when she was off the island?
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Anybody make any connections to the name of Jack's son? Ok - there's Hurley's imaginary friend Dave. But also remember that was the name of Libby's deceased husband and original owner of the sailboat that got Desmond to the island. I always took that to mean they were the same people. Hurley's friend was also Libby's husband. Any possible connections here?
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And I just thought Jack was havin a deliberate freak out. Sawyer's compass heading was revelatory of his parent's funeral? The church? Not just the place ..but the time? Did you see why he was wearing size 12 shoes...Ok, anyway, Cheif.
Well, that's interesting, let's work your science here, or there, whatever, man. So the Lighthouse is like 'Déjà Vu', not Émile Boirac but the Denzel film. The Lighthouse can re-orient the other end of the speculated 'wormhole' in a non-transitory manner. Meaning you can look but not touch, can't go through from there.. But, sorta like the film, move the exit to specific coordinates across M-spacetime. There AND then. So this manifold is constrained? ..a relativity of simultaneity. Fuck me. hmmpf.
You just can't let me have the simple yum yum of God did it. Can ya? You frikkin man of reason. I am not going back to season 3/4 and starting over with science, God-dammit. Ya remember how much shit I took over explainin that. I am stickin with the fluzzy wuzzy's of an Ultimate Power runnin the show.. ah, dammit same thing.
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I'm with you on that theory 100%.
I think its now starting to be born out with things like Jacks appendectomy scar.
Only thing I slightly disagree on is that I don't think a memeory wipe would get it all done. I think reality is somehow adjusted to fit all these characters back into it as though the Island had never been there.
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All good and well outside of the confirmation that 1/3 into the season, there will be no flass-whatevers (as confirmed by showrunners). So the current Flash-Sideways shit will come to a halt, and it will end by ep 6-8?
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Except that Kate isn't having a very good time in ALT. I would also say Claire isn't having a good time in the ALT either.
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I've always believed that part of the whole time travel thing was to plausibly get to the point where they can bring back Walt into the story. Let's do a 3-year time jump for those on the island so a clearly aged child actor that is "important" to the story would make sense. I really believe that Walt needs to come back into this season. New subject.
Is it obvious that Jacob's touch brought Locke back to life after being pushed out of the window? That Jacob says to him, "I'm sorry that this happened to you." Could that refer to everything Locke will be put thru? Not just referring to the fall as I thought at the time. So didn't Jacob "claim" Locke before Smokey? Is that why Jacob is so confidant that he is a step ahead of his Nemesis? -
Of course the only issue with this theory, realistic as it looks, is that it does seem to render Season 5 null and void except as enormous bluff by the writers to make us think we are watching an alternate reality.
There's a danger here that only Seasons 1, 2 & 6 will have value in the long run and that, aside from character vignettes, the other seasons are somewhat redundant.
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damn time paradoxes! But if the Incident erased Sayid's return to the island so that Ben's never shot, how come it doesn't erase everyone else coming back to the island, thus erasing the Incident itself?!
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Smokie did it right in front o us, with Sawyer watching. He picked up a rock, an crossed it out right on screen. Miss this? Or are you talking about his name on the lighthouse dial?
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Yep and Locke is in a wheelchair but thats heading for a collision with Jack.
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Yea but I think Kate would rather be running away then being in handcuffs Claire has Aaron in her belly instead of someone else's arms. I think everything is a Ok! LOL
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That's the logic I had but remember, there wouldn't have been an evacuation if the Losties hadn't talked the Dharma folks into it.
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who says a female can't make up an internal part of Jacob? I doubt the writers would specifically establish that no part of Jacob is female, since we're all made up of 'male' and 'female' aspects.
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I just thought about this. The bomb would have went off in the 50's if Faraday hadn't had the Other's bury it right? So the bomb going off in 77 caused the bomb to go off in the 50's so Dharma never even came to the island in the flash sideways timeline.
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It could be said that Season 5 is about the Losties going back in time and creating Evil Ben which then led to the destruction of Dharma- which led to a poorly supervised Desmond making them crash - which led to confrontation with Evil Ben which will lead to ?
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Daniel's the one who told Pierre to evacuate the island, so that logic doesn't work. Fuck.
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Your logic works. But we know that Dharmaville is underwater and we saw Ezra J. Sharkington in the Season Premiere.
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That's what I think. At least until they write themselves out of it by season's end.
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We saw Sharky Boy, and that fits in with KeepFuckingThatChickens theory - in fact most things we are seeing do.
Another interesting thing about KFTC's theory is that, if Faradays mom is as half in the know as she seems to be, then she knew all along that she wasn't sending Faraday to his death. I would be so pleased at that.
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Did Jacob make them go there?
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...someone once wrote about a theory that fixes the paradoxes in the Terminator series.
According to this theory, the Terminator world is trapped in a dual-alternating time-loop.
In Loop#1, Judgement Day happens in 1997. In Loop#2, Judgement Day happens in 2004.
In Loop#1, Kyle Reese is sent back in time to prevent Judgement Day, but instead he merely delays it.
In Loop#2 (which has never been shown on-screen, and is only theorized), Kyle Reese is sent back in time to stop the 2004 Judgement Day, but instead causes it to happen earlier, in 1997.
So the Terminator universe is trapped, alternating between these two timelines.
HOW DOES THIS RELATE TO LOST?
Well, the paradoxes that seem to exist in Reality#2 might be resolved if the two realities are mutually-reinforcing.
Theory would go something like this:
The characters in Reality#1 set off Jughead which creates Reality#2. But by setting off Jughead, certain events in Reality#2 really shouldn't happen.
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It seems to fit together. If so, we can just sit back and enjoy the ride. Maybe. If you end up being right, congrats in advance!-Cheers
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Could well be being disengenuous when they say these flashes aren't flash forwards.
Strictly speaking they aren't. If you look at a linear timeline that includes the events on the Island but which resets everybody back to being on the plane at the end of Season 6 then strictly speaking what we are seeing in these flashes parallel the events on the Island in season 1.
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Might be a stretch, but I think you may be on to something. I've always thought there had to be some significance to the recurrence of the name Dave. I forgot all about that last night. Perhaps Libby's Dave was imaginary (or whatever he is) too and that's why she ended up in the institution? I think there may have been one or two other Dave's as well. Hell, perhaps Dave is Smokey's real name. That would be a nice touch. Smokey has been portrayed as a swirl of memories and people at times, perhaps he's somehow directing this alt reality?? Ok, now I'm stretching.
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I think he may have nailed it. I just printed out his theory for a couple of co-workers. They're shaking their collective heads in disbelief, and maybe that's because they don't wanna believe it.
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I'm not missing the fact that 2 of the 4 characters in DOOR are vowels, just pointing out that, on technicality, the word DOOR only uses 1 vowel, but repeats it.
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is now exactly what I was saying as far back as season 4. HAHA! I LOVE IT!!! Anyway, I actually enjoyed last night's episode. This show would have been so much more epic if it had always been like it was last night instead of stringing people along for five or six years over mysteries the writers themselves don't even take seriously.
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whoever said the flash sideways, if that's what we're calling them, are the finale/epilogue, I totally agree with them. I believe we're watching the end of the series unfold in these flashes and by the last episode, we'll have seen the epilogue and understand why these things happened. It's actually quite brilliant, to be parsing out the finale the way they are. When the drama ends on the island, the flashes, I believe, are what happens next and we're seeing the ultimate fates of all the characters play out and how the drama they endured on the island and the life they lead before all pay off in the end.
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You can't just say that without explanation !! - You've been watching too much Lost.
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Really having fun considering your theories, which seem to have diverged a little bit. KFTC, with your theory, that leaves the island underwater and essentially 'dead'. Does that contradict everything that has led the Losties and the audience to think that the Island is special? Will that be a satsifying end, to find out that the island was just another player in all of this and not a special place?I think that's why I would lean toward 2LF's theory. Especially with the info that the flashforwards are going to stop less than halfway through the season.
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Much like we've seen before, with the Season 5 premiere episode, what we're shown is something that ends up happening much later.
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There are some fine-ass women on that show. I don't know where to start (but Busy Phillips can get this any day she wants!)
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The Island being underwater doesn't mean its dead - it could in fact be a bit of an Atlantis and just be rising again at times when some kind of intervention is needed - yuk , that sounds a bit simplistic even for an idiot like me.
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Is nice but I'm not buying it. If it turns out that way I'll give you my car.
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I don't think any of the seasons have been redundant....
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...or will be even with the bigger picture. Stephen King said it best when he explained why the show is so great. It isn't the mysteries. It is the characters. Everyone on the island is so flawed and troubled by their past lives which makes us, the viewers, care about them so much. We want them to get solace from the island. People on the outside looking in (alot of haters on these TBs for the last 6 seasons...which actually some comments are pretty funny) don't understand the phenomenon and rag on the shitty mysteries with no answers. Truthfully, the true fans watch to see the characters succeed and find what they want and need from the island. The mysteries just make watching even more fun. When they wrap everything up in May, certain seasons might look unnecessary but it won't bother me at all. Every episode I have enjoyed except for ONE... it was during Season 2 and Charlie and Locke were acting like children and Charlie went crazy, wanting to baptize Aaron and Locke punched him on the beach. Thankfully, "The Long Con" gave Charlie's edge back the very next week, I believe. La_Sith's post made me smile. There is a part of me that doesn't want to be right so I can be surprised. And to Royston Lodge- The showrunners MAY say it is a flash sideways but they also said during Season 3, time travel wasn't a part of the show and look how they decided to change their mind 2 seasons later. The creators can say what they want to throw the fans off guard.
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Just read your theory again. How does it explain the differences in the flash-sideways? Jack has a son. Locke has his woman and was sent to Australia instead of buying his own ticket. Locke has a relationship with his father. Shannon didn't get on the plane. Rose now lives in L.A. etc. etc...
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Again see my SAT failure. "Buy one vowel" ...In defense, I haven't watched Wheel of Fortune since the contestants could actually spend their money buying rather large VCR's and vacations in beautiful Boise.
But. You are right. I think. It / she said you could "Buy one vowel"
'O' ..welp, you just clowned me. If you want to dance around me and do the Icky shuffle, flip me the finger or somethin, I'll play the maracas, man.
Of course, now the answer won't be DOOR but BRIG or somethin...
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Because it didn't give you answers immediately? Or have a twist? I don't understand criticisms like that for a show like this. It doesn't make sense to me. People who say "They should have brought this part in earlier or this character in first..." don't understand television I feel.
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Just so I can be surprised...and the fact that there are confirmed spoilers out there means I am leaving this talkback until next week. Real quick... GhostofCicero- What kind of car do you have Darryl_Revok- I am not saying the island isn't special since its underwater now. What 2LF said it being used only when its needed makes sense. The island can jump all over the place anyway. LostboyTexass- Thanks for not spoiling blatantly. ^_^ I am gone. C you all next week, where hopefully my theory can stay strong.
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Search your feelings. You know it to be true. Aaron = Jacob. Throw in a little time travel, and it all makes sense. Hurley talking about going back to "dinosaur times" . . . hmmm?
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Alot of people keep talking about Smokey and now that we know he took Locke's appearance, he must have been Christian too.
This obviously makes a lot of sense, not the only reason being Faraday's mother telling Jack that Locke would act as a standin for his father, but do we know this??
Claire seemed to know very clearly and immediately that Locke was not Locke, he was her "friend". Before that she said she knew the others had her baby because her father AND her friend told her.
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The reality they lived in during Season 1 LED them to the island. Jacob was watching them during children and always meant for the Oceanic815ers to be there on the island. With my theory, something happens which triggers a NEW reality where things change for the better (for some) and Jacob never was watching them. Why would everything stay the same? That doesn't follow the "time travel" rules. Since Jacob never did anything with these people in the new reality, there lives changed in a Butterfly Effect/Chaos Theory way.
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108 is the sum of our Losties brought to the island by one common factor...Jacob.
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I think the Others we have seen in the Alt Reality are there to push certain characters along and get them to the island. We have heard that the 2 timelines will meet up, this is a way for it to happen. Ben teaching at the school where Locke now works has to have some significance. Chineese guy(Dogen?)is working his magic on Jack. Its possible.
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We assume that since MIB is using Locke's likeness, that he can take the likeness of any dead on the island and that he was Christian, Yemmi, and any other ghost we have seen. But When MIB is being Locke, Locke's dead body is still around. Christian's dead body was missing. If MIB=Christian then his dead body should have still been in the coffin...right?
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It did cross my mind to wonder whether Rose being in LA wasn't an indication that there is something all the Losties and Others need to do together in the flash - whatever, which the whole Island experience has prepped them for.
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In Jacob's cabin when Hurley looked in. He sees Christian- the good Christian we've seen wearing the suit he was wearing in the coffin- sitting in a chair, then MiB's eye appears in the window. EVERY moment after that, the Christian we see is wearing a darker button-up shirt than before (where'd he get the new digs?) and is looking a bit rougher with more of a 5o'clock shadow. Does that mean he was Smokey then? Or that he had been corrupted? Either way, Claire believes her "friend" and her "father" are two different people, and I'm inclined to agree with her.
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...Is prob the key to the difference between reg and lax... he is "immortal" and he was apart of the manipulation of MIB... he never visitin Locke changes a lot
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What was Christian wearin off island wit Jack?
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What was Christian wearin off island wit Jack durin the O6 story?
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Well, UnLocke isn't a very "good" friend to Claire now, is he? I mean....she's been scrambling around that island for 3 desperate years under the assumption that Aaron was 'out there somewhere' captured by the Others....and you have to imagine MIB/UnLocke/Smokey could have told her at any time (exactly what Jin did) that her son was off the island safely in the care of Miss Austen, right?
Was he letting her fret over this to keep her from putting that rifle in her mouth and pulling the trigger? Was he thinking that the 'bait' of Aaron possibly being somewhere nearby would keep her trapped on the island (not unlike Rousseau with Alexandra) and make her less likely to try and find a way off? (Raft or suicide).
Is it possible MIB/UnLocke didn't KNOW Kate had already absconded with her BAY-BEE? I find that unlikely.
So...will Jin's backtracking on his Aaron tale backfire? Will Jin cave in and tell Claire the truth again? Will MIB tell her Jin is crazy....or agree? Either way....Claire is being misled.
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Riddle: The Island is a _ _ _ _?clue: a four letter word with one vowel, not an a or E.Solution: It's a rock.Poetic confirmation, to make MacFaux happy: Paul Simon - "I am a rock, I am an Island, and a rock feels no pain, and an Island never cries."
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I totally agree about that S2 episode. That one and the infamous Jack tattoo episode are the only memorably bad ones.
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Was wearing his typical suit with white sneakers. What we'd seen him wear up until his time in the cabin. So maybe that was actually Christian and not Smokey-Christian?
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... she would torture the Others, Jacob's followers, who he apparently is very disappointed in?
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Agreed. I'm not questioning whether UnLocke is manipulative- I think it's quite clear that he's telling Claire what HE needs her to hear.
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My theory a few TBs about was that there are at least two smokeys - Nemesis the man in black smoke and Jacob the white smokey. Bloody hands kid in white suggests there may be a third - or more - smokeys.Basis: Eloise Hawking told Jack they needed to take John's body to "replace your father". So Locke's body was intended for Jacob, but MIB got to it first and became NonLocke. But has MIB ever been seen off the island the way Jacob, Richard and various Others have been? Not that I recall. The Darlton say visions of Christian were smoke monster, but Jack saw dead Christian 9and heard smokey sound effects and smoke alarm went off) in hospital off island. So - possibly - Christian was A smoke monster as opposed to The smoke monster.The hypothetical existence of black and white smoke monsters also explains the vision of light Locke gazed at ecstatically and the monster of smoke that made him scream in terror as it tried to pull him under ground.
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Hurley's been seeing dead people for a while now. Charlie, Anna Lucia, Mr. Eko, Jacob. Why hasn't he seen Locke? The real dead John Locke. You'd think dead Locke would have something to say to Hurley. Weird.
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Locke Monster to Sawyer in Jacob's cave: I just want to get the 'hell' off this island. Sawyer's response: 'Hell Yes'. I think they're talking about Hell in a literal sense. Is Smokey a fallen angel trying to get back in to heaven?
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"Eloise Hawking told Jack they needed to take John's body to "replace your father". So Locke's body was intended for Jacob, "
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He hasn't seen the REAL dead Locke....YET. C'mon...we're only 5 episodes in...It's likely he or Miles will 'see or hear' him before it's all said and done.
I have a feeling it could be as soon as next week....when dead John shows up to Hurley in the jungle wearing a suit and ill fitting white sneakers....and tells him NOT to trust the imposter Locke that is coming to the Temple. -
I want him to show up to eat Jacob's ashes.
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Mmmmm... Hot dog!
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ABC just laid off 150 employees. I knew they should have moved Kimmel to 10pm!
Also...Shamu ate a trainer today at Sea World.
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You're saying that something nuclear happens. Let alone with Faraday. Isn't Faraday dead?
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My money is on Juliette. Any other guesses?
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I'm sure i'll be called names for this, but i've got to say it!
Like many of us, in anticipation of the final series, I rewatched everything. The sheer volume of abandoned(apparently at least as of 605)plot threads,
tonal shifts and characterizations make a second viewing quite unsatisfactory, really, given what we do (or don't) know up until yesterday's episode.
I see it like this:
Series 1: a new show with a fantastic premise that spins it's wheels a little whilst simultaneously having to offer up the beginnings of solutions, understandable
as the show may have been cancelled after a few episodes or even a season, and we'd have been given some semblance of a conclusion (almost like that
weird tacked-on European 'ending' for the Twin Peaks pilot, but not as jarring). But when they knew they were up and running, they gave us a hell of an ending. I still
remember seeing the light come on in the hatch and thinking, what the fuck!? Awesome!
Series 2 continues in much the same vein, and some of the mythology begins to appear. Linus and the Others don't seem to hold up story-wise with what we
know now but seeing as they were taken by surprise by Emerson's abilities with the role, it is understandable (once again, Twin Peaks, with set dresser
Frank Silva becoming BOB after he was accidentally caught on camera) that they decided to take things off in a different direction.
Series 3 started terribly, but got the pace back later. However, watching again we start to see this throw-enough-mud-at-a-wall approach to storytelling
appear.
Series 4 holds up really well, even on repeat, maybe because we've never been with an off-island group before (Freighter) and because the time-travel/sickness
device is continued in the fifth series.
Series 5, by now I am wishing that maybe one member of the others, Juliet, for example, could find it in themselves to maybe give even a small explanation of what is
going on, especially when she becomes a 'full' character with the same desire to get off the island, and stands around looking as bemused as all the others
at what is happening. I understand it is a show, and if characters behaved like real life then there would be no show, etc, but for me it creates a distance
that takes me out of what is happening. I know they can't have characters just explaining everything straight away, but they need a more intelligent and
subtle construct than people just being enigmatic for years at a time, when one sentence would solve so much. If anything, it makes the characters look a lot
more stupid. No, having Hurley make (increasingly clumsy) meta-comments on the plot does not help.
Season 6, where the wheels seem to be coming off. I've watched (and enjoyed) this show since the very beginning, confident in the showrunners and writers'
promise that they know where they're going and always did (as will be proven with Adam and Eve, apparently).
I went at s6 expecting them to have been champing at the bit to get at the meat of the story, after five seasons of building up to it. Imagine the payoffs you could give with all that they've hinted at so far!
Many people would have given up (as many did during s3) with what seemed to be a show that tipped greatly towards throwing out more questions than it gave
answers, but we were told that it would all pay off and become clear in the end.
Instead, we get pacing and development that rivals the opening six episodes of s3, and further embellishments (without answers, mind you) of the few
story threads that they decided to return to (when it wasn't easier to just create new ones). We can almost entirely discount series one to three, it seems.
We just get more spinning wheels and no answers, as well as the worrying statement that 'it isn't about the destination, it is about the ride'. But when the
ride is completely dependent upon the notion that all will become clear at the end, this doesn't work.
Maybe they're going to come up with a knockout ten episodes now, and i'll (gladly) be proved wrong and have a fantastic time. But it gets less and less
likely with every episode we get of people walking from A to B, with flash-sideways towards MORE mysterious characters (hello Jack's son). Couple with this the
fact that they're going to have to come up with an ending that the average Jack/Kate/Sawyer/Juliet romance lover will be comfortable with and i'm sensing maybe
ONE payoff episode and then a three month sabbatical to another island for Cuse and Lindelof whilst the shitstorm blows over. Some people have been trying to
rationalise the tangled plot and the paucity of screen time left into some pretty good quantum physics inspired theories that will tie everything up. Whilst i'd
love an ending that involved these ideas, the entire Dawson's Creek scenario of Kate and Sawyer in 603 suggests that the writers will be shooting considerably
lower.
In short: I feel that they bluffed us for four series, before screwing up the chance they had to turn all the cockteasing into one fucking awesome final season.
They just couldn't kick the habit of introducing mystery instead of capitalising on it.
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I did not see anymore talk about this up top, so apologies if I am repeating if I am repeating something already said and i missed it.
David could be a biblical reference. In the Bible, David was a shepherd whom God chose to be the unlikely king of Israel. As a boy, David was called upon to slay the giant Goliath in order to save Israel.
My guess it that David is pivotal. He may even be the Shepard referred to on the list.
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considering it is the first we've ever heard of him.
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I submitted that exact question to darlton for the next LOST podcast.
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First i think vikki tryin to steal my two smokies and bloody kid a smokie theory... second i noticed that Ben was never meant to move the island but it was suppose to be locke, i wonder if that matters (at all or anymore)... and David could be MIB name, seems better than Eraser... and will the two Charlie coincidence ever be explained?
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I think Hawking's instructions are vague at best and could be interpreted another way. She did say that the events of the flight have to be recreated perfectly. I don't know if I buy Hawking being in league with Smokey.
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Jeez, why? Guess the fatcat execs at the top can't tighten their belts, but everyone else can.
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I would agree, but Lost loves givin us important people late... or early, then wrote off... but one of the shows themes is children, so "it was planned" fans could argue the five seasons led us to Jacks kid bein MiB or Jacob or whoever else if he does prove to be important
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Could it be as simple as the Island is a ship? Another insane silly Lost fan theory #9856. What if the island is an alien ship and Jacob and UnLocke are aliens. There is alot of Egyptian imagery in the series (i.e. pyramids were built by aliens and all that jazz) and their ship crashed. Didnt the producers say everything could be explained by science (or science fiction)? Perhaps "home" is another planet and they have certain humans who can set things in motion to help... Look we all have no freaking clue until the show plays out but the speculation certainly makes it a fun ride.
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...Poor Miles, all by himself at the temple wit a bunch of answer evasivers and a sissy Sayid... guess Jacob only likes the whites and fats
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"Everything that has happened before shall happen again" Before Battlestar Galactica took it and ran with it, the whole process was an idea by Nietzsche. Meaning that everything that happens now will happen again. The players may be different, but it will all end up the same. I have a feeling some of that may be happening here.
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Feb 24, 2010 4:34:40 PM CST
"We can almost entirely discount series one to three, it seems.
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Uh no. No. No you can't.
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Either Smokey's about to show up and start some shit... or Sayid is going to lose it and start killing people. Either way, poor, poor Miles. And poor, poor Sayid.
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"Everyone that came before shall come again."
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I certainly don't need any story arcs from it.
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...from orbit.
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Damn foreigners and their terms.
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What does Jacob look like? Well, now, a pile of ashes. Though as LA X Locke tells Jack "they didn't lose your father, just his body".In spite of fan hopes for a Xombi season, Ghost-of-Jacob does not appear to Hurley - the one character who sees ghosts - as Xombi Jacob or blood-drenched, killed-by-Ben dying Jacob.Assuming a lack of need for vanity or virility in Heaven, is Dead Grandpa in Family Circle eternally an elderly man, or are we shown him that way because that's how Billy and Dolly remember him?Hurley sees Ghost Jacob in a familiar form: as the clean, friendly, white-clad man he met in the taxi.If Jabob and his Nemesis are lifelong or long time acquaintances, perhaps boy-in-white is the image of Jacob foremost in MIB's mind; the way he looked when they first met, perhaps, or how he looked when they were last friends?Richard cannot see the boy. As NonLocke pointed out, Richard has been a man of faith taking everything h knows about Jacob on faith: they have never met, he has never seen Jacob. Perhaps Richard cannot see Jacob, perhaps he cannot see Jacob because he believes he cannot see Jacob.This falls apart with NonLocke's surprise that Ford can see The Johnny Whitaker Kid. Though Sawyer did meet Jacob. So, does James see young ghost Jacob (it that's what.who he is) as a boy because 1. role reversal: He sees Jacob as a boy because he was a boy when he met Jacob? 2. Sawyer can see the dead for the romantic reason that with Juliet, something in his heart died and he's part dead inside? 3. Subconsciously, Sawyer wants to believe we can speak with the dead because it's his only chance to see Juliet again? (Especially meaningful if he assumes he's Hellbound and Juliet lives on in Heaven, where they will never meet again?)
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You beat me to it.
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Amen, brutha...I share your exact sentiments with regards to your recap of each season's story progression. Spot frickin on.
That said...I think I have a stronger degree of patience with Season 6 than you do. After all, LOST has always been about people "walking from A to B"...Why stop now?
I agree the pacing seems tedious right now, but at only 5 episodes in...I can hardly call what is playing out a 'cock tease'. It is merely staying with the format that we have been accustomed to for the last 6 years. Sure, if they jettisoned the flash sideways plot, we'd be up to our arses in answers by now....People said the same thing about the flashBACKS....and later...the flash FORWARDS seasons ago. Would I trade all the answers in the world for less character developement in my LOST...even at this late hour in the series?
Fuck. No.
It's not about the destination....it's about the journey...Blah, Blah, Blah. I also think that is bullshit. I've said it before in Talkbacks....that when this show finally wraps up...the fuckin destination better be The Playboy Mansion....not Walmart...or I just wasted 6 years of my pathetic ass life!
I trust Darlton knows that as well. In their defense...a lot of what the trolls are complaining about...and what was evident in ghastly fashion in Season 3...is this show cannot "vamp"...which is exactly what they were doing early in Season 3....and certainly with the ridiculous Bai Ling/Jack's tattoo shit fest. That is why TPTB petitioned ABC to do something a network has never done in the history of (American) broadcast TV. They let Darlton cancel their own show by placing an end date on its finale.
Now...DARLTON picked this date....Not ABC. Which means...as storytellers...they calculated EXACTLY how many episodes they needed to tell the end of their story....and gave ABC the date.
I feel they have a plan on making LOST true to form for at LEAST til mid season before the REAL fuckin answers begin raining from the sky in a Revelation Monsoon.
What they DON'T want...is for us to figure out EXACTLY how this thing is going to end too early...I mean...if they were answering EVERY fuckin core mystery at 5 per episode...why would we bother to stick this thing out til May?
Whose to blame here? The over frickin eager promo producers at ABC who are doing ANYTHING they can to retain viewers...and attract those who drifted away back in the Season 3 lull....by touting "THE TIME FOR QUESTIONS IS OVER! ANSWERS!! ANSWERS!! ANSWERS GALORE!!" in every fuckin promo.
Well, guess what? The REAL answers are still at least 4 or 5 episodes away from BEGINNING. And, apparently, there IS time for more questions!! They gave us TWO big meaty answers already...Whisky Tango Foxtrot happened when Juliet detonated Jughead....and Who/What is the damn Smoke Monster. And like ANY excellent episode of LOST....those two answers only served to produce 1,000 more questions!
That ain't gonna change any time soon, my friend.
Next week's promo promises something HUGE is going to happen...a death? A mysterious cast reappearance? A shocking revelation? Who knows...but one thing is for sure...WHATEVER happens...will only generate MORE questions.
Darlton OWES ABC a show that will retain us LOST fans to the very bitter end. So, I'd say everyone's best bet is to dial back the anticipation level about 108 degrees...and start turnin up the patience dial to 815....and here's why:
If you've been devoted to this show since September 22nd, 2004 like I and many of us here have been...they know you aint turnin away now....and they aren't gonna LET YOU turn away until that SERIES FINALE ANSWER BLOOD BATH that is coming this May. It's not even March yet, Jr. So strap in and get ready for a bumpy ride til then. I have faith that Darlton has a mind fucker of an ending waiting for us somewhere over the rainbow.
If not...I'll meet you at the Walmart parking lot for beers.
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Lost has become a parody of itself. I was watching the few first minutes with Jacob, Hugo and Jack, "tell him he has what it takes" and I was LMAO.
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where, if every episode, every season finale and the series resolution doesn't provide the answers to life, the universe and everything - including the existence of a Ultimate power - then between 16 and 22 hours of solid entertainment per season can be dismissed by supposed fans of the show as "inconsequential," "irrelevant" and trivial?The best TV show you'll ever see is still filler designed to trick you into watching commercials, and the best meal you'll ever eat will still turn to shit in your bowels. Forgive the vulgar metaphor, but Lost is a TV show - a very entertaining one. And we seem to be demanding and expecting a whole lot more of it.
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I think you're confused, Vikki. Richard went to Jacob and received lists from him. Jacob gave Richard immortality. I'm pretty sure they've met and seen each other before.
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Loved the Family Circus reference. I'm envisioning a map of the island with little dotted lines all over it showing where Hurley's been. Perhaps "Not Me" is the Smoke Monster? Does anyone else have ANY idea what I'm talking about?
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And I'm sure you didn't even understand the quote, did you? Parody of itself, my ass.
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Complaining that its all inconsequential. You guys are pretty much saying you don't give a shit about story or characters- in any story mind you, not just LOST- you just want to know the ending. That's a crappy way to approach any story, in my opinion.
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Did you stay tuned in long enough to find out what he meant by it and what it meant to Jack, whose father always told him he DIDN'T have what it takes? Or did you, like me, immediately relate it to the Dave Clark Five hit of the same name? Neither of the above?
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I wouldn't be expecting any answers regarding life and it's meaning, just a good payoff with more than a fleeting relation to the plot of the show that has gone before. We'd all want that, surely?
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I really like MacFaux's DOOR idea.Notice the door in this illustration and where it leads. Hmmmmhttp://tinyurl.com/yjcq7kx
I'll throw out a few though...A friend of mine guessed it's a BOMB that can implode the universe or some shit.
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Love me a good 'Aliens' quote!
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I was really into the Walt storyline. Kind of intrigued about the pregnancy one too. And I remember thinking,'what weird bastard cut the orientation film and hid the missing pieces?' I'm very interested in the motivations there. I love the idea that somewhere out there there is a Dharma plane dropping supplies. What must the pilot be thinking?
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Did the Lighthouse make you reconsider the whole advanced technological alternate timeline/mind-probe surveillance possibilities? I'm still not so sure we can count that possibility out now. Who else has been watching the flash-back/sideways/forwards?
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I got it alright. Don´t know why people get so personal regarding Lost. I watch it too, I love it too, I´m not fooling myself. I just don´t like where the plot is heading to, or where I think it´s leading to. Is that a crime? Geeez.
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I keep reading people here and elsewhere saying that someone is coming. Jacob made that up just to get Hurley and Jack out of the Temple and said so near the end. Nobody is coming.
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Actually, I didn´t co-create Spider-man, that was 10 years before I was born. So that you´d know.
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I dont watch it. Now, I used to like Heroes, but it fell way the fuck off, which was sadly due alot to the writers strike. Yeah, season 1's finale was sub par, but it was also a 1st season show. I bet they couldnt afford the full-on Sylar vs Peter showdown. (They still cant actually, lol)
Point is, if I just wanted to have fun, I could go to a Heroes message board...(if one exists) and easily infuriate people there.
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...when he told Hugo to go to the lighthouse because someone needed to find the island. Perhaps taking Jack there was Jacob's intention to light a fire in Jack that had been put out.
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I considered that, but last night's episode went by so fast for me. Wasn't sure I heard Jacob correctly. Oh well...
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Because people have invested ALOT of time into not only watching this show, but emersing themselves into something that goes way beyond the majority of things you've ever seen on TV.
We've stuck with it for 6 years, thats alot of time invested. Some people get defensive mostly for trolls dropping in, talking shot or coming up with ridiculous questions or theories.
It's the things only loyal fans would know because we put in the time to watch and read up on the net.
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Earlier in the series we were given seven Dharma stations (or was it six? Yes, I get so confused. Lost is blowing my mind).So, how do yo suppose Lost Island's magickal places are related?The locations I refer to: The Adam & Eve cave/fresh water spring. The Statue (aka The Giant Foot, aka "what resides in the shadow" aka "the place where Jacob died. M.I.B.'s cave at the base of the cliff overlooking the ocean. The Lighthouse. The Temple and the Pool in the Temple. The Frozen Donkey Wheel room. "The Pocket" of electromagnetic energy. And not as ancient as the others but might The Cabin qualify? Did I miss any? And if they are related, what is the connection?That silly old "The Island is a Space Ship" theory: cave as bridge, lighthouse as navigation station, donkey wheel as engine room, pocket as fuel source, tatue an antenna, room below a communications center, the pool as sick bay, the cave as morgue, the cabin as brig.(i was writing this, had a glitch and had to reboot. since then I see Throwmetheidol chimed in, also with the "it's a ship" theory. TMTI: I'm not sure, I just didn't want you to think I was mocking you.
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Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. - Arthur C. Clarke
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i dont know of this has been brought up recently but do any of you remember way back in season 3 when Desmond met farraday's mom,Eloise Hawking, in his wierd time trip after the hatch imploded? she told him that "pushing that button is the only great thing you will ever do" or something like that. I wonder what she meant? the obvious answer is that the button she is referring to is the one he pushed in the hatch, but what if she's actually referring to something he has yet to do? is it something he'll push when he inevitably returns to the island?
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Was a pedo, wasn't he? He's not really one people should quote anymore.
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Like i said yesterday, he is not done and he is jacobs "key" to the mibs "locke"... only thing stoppin my theory besides the writers is bram, but maybe he said what he said cuz of what Jacob said to Bram (meanin Jacob could have manipulated Bram into thinkin and sayin the we are gonna win line)... What better protector of the island, then the one guy who BEEN wanted to go back... refute that somebody (preferably lostboy cuz it is sorta smart in a hater way)
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I'll have to go look into that. Wasn't trying to support that sort of thing...oh well.
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Somehow I suspected you weren't the real Steve Ditko. But, you see, a lot of folks here make up fake names for user names. I suspect D.Vader and MacFaux and Bilboe and The Umpire and that chickenfucker guy may not be using their real names. for the record, I'm not vikkimarsdale, she was a stray kitten that moved in through a hole in the roof. She's dead now, though she wasn't when I first began using the name.Of course some people, like Pa(ul)burrows use their real names. I'm not sure Toughguy didn't name himself after Ratso Rizzo. Anyway, when I called you "co-creator of Spider-Man", I assumed you took your user ID from Steve Ditko, original Marvel Comics bullpen artist and co-creator of Dr. Strange, Destructor, Killjoy, Creeper, Hawk & Dove, Captain Atom, "the new" Blue Beetle, Speedball, The Question and, of course, creator of Mr. A (making him at the very least the Godfather of Rorsharch). Is there some other Ditko you named yourself after, or is Ditko your real name?Just so you'd know I know.
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"A British tabloid published an inflammatory piece about Arthur C. Clarke that claimed he was a pedophile. Allegations led to investigation by the Sri Lankan government and Clarke was ultimately cleared of all charges of pedophilia."
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I think the ep she appeared i became a fan (hadnt seen season one due to bein at college and doin college things)... shes a very mystical lady, but she dont seem to be a regular other, meanin she seems higher up (maybe higher than Dogen)... what if in the end her and Widdy reconciled and became adam and eve... but if so, it would be a let down (but still better than whoever else can be the bones since i take what hurly said as a debunkment)... i dunno, maybe she could even be mibs gal
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On the dial or in the caves? I hope he's coming to the Island. I also hope he has kidnapped little Charlie. That would give des & Penny a reason to come back. Des still knows where Hawkings is too, so...
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...Am i the only one who imagines that it is the real Darth Vader typin... also even funnier picturin him wit a beer gut hangin out his cheeto stained shirt... i wish all tbers could put a cool image in my head...
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Ha! I've gotten that before. Nope, it's a Jerky boys reference. Frank Rizzo. When I was in the Navy, people used to call me that cause I have a New York accent. And since I was a fan, I could recite all the prank calls.
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If so, i forgot that... which brings me back to what i asked earlier bout the coincidence of the Charles name... or maybe lost just likes that name, i dunno
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I like these boards cause its not avatar heavy. People on Dark UFO are nuts with that shit and think they are the shit cause of how detailed their pic is. I post links to my pics of our LOST events, that's it ho
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It was all just a dream?
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Didn't they essentially lay Locke to rest in the shadow of the statue? Could that mean that he will "return" to save them all?
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...like I said, I've been a reader of the lost talkbacks here on AICN for a couple of years now but just never felt like joining in the convo.......but fuck it, it's the final season.
So anyways, I was listening to the radio and a Third Eye Blind song came on and it totally reminded me of this season of lost (i.e. the ALT timeline)
I'm only pretty sure that I can't take anymore
Before you take a swing
I wonder
What are we fighting for
When I say out loud
I want to get out of this
I wonder
Is there anything I'm going to miss
I wonder How it's going to be
When you don't know me
How's it going to be
When you're sure I'm not there
How's it going to be
When there is no one to talk to, between you and me
'Cause I don't care
How's it going to be
How's it going to be
Where we used to laugh
There's a shouting match
Sharp as a thumbnail scratch
A silence I can't ignore
Like...
The hammocks by the doorway we spent time in
Swings empty, don't see lightning like last fall when it was always
about to hit
me
I wonder how's it going to be when it goes down
Hows it going to be
When your not around
Hows it going to be
When you found out there was nothing
Between you and me
'Cause I don't care
How's it going to be.
Hows it going to be
When you don't know me any more
And how's it going to be
Want to get myself back in again
The soft dive of oblivian
Wanna taste the soul of your skin
The soft dive of oblivian
Oblivian
How's it going to be
When you don't know me any more
How's it going to be
How's it going to be
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how the fuck do i do paragraph breaks on here?
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Best handle. Worst post.
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Easy, just put a at the end of your paragraph without the spaces and for line breaks..
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The majority of people wont read that post.
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well, with a post that bad as my first I believe there is only room for progress (but yeah, I agree,it was pretty shitty.)
and thanks Ump! even though I felt like a jackass for not knowing, I had to ask.
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People aren't born with the knowledge in their brains. And I was just playing with ya. I do love your handle.
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No. Even though it was Sun's idea to bury Locke, apparently she and Frank let Ilana and Ben do the heavy lifting and they carried him all the way back to the area hear the original 815 beachfront campsite known as Boone Hill (a pun on the old western Boot Hill nickname for cemetery). Did you notice all the other makeshift crosses? Boone, Shannon, Nikki, Paulo, Ana Lucia, Libby, Scott... and now John. NOT buried there: Charlie, Leslie Arzt, Joanna.Do you suppose the 815ers kept their graveyard to themselves or did they also plant the Others who died at the camp, like Tom Friendly, there?
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I've seen way worse posts than that, so don't be too hard on yourself. i mean, you figured it out by your second post. Some never do...
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You call me a hoe? if so, thanks!
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I hope they fed them to the sharks.Fuck Tom and the rest of them. They got what they deserved for taking the kid off the boat.
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haha thanks, it was either this or Kilgore_Trout.
and one thing about the Locke Funeral: If Ilana was so bent on showing the others at the temple the body (or 'face' of what they were up against) then why did she not seem to give a fuck about burying him? What then, was the point of lugging lock in a box around all that time? -
Xander was the first to lose his eye (in terms of geek shows since aicn started)!... Although Saul is a lot cooler (until the reveal that is)...
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I agree. Fuck tom and the rest of them.
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I saw that after I posted it. I think I meant to say "tho". But a ho's a ho's. And thats a good thing!
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Sawyer finally getting revenge on Tom, Or Juliet dying.
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so jack had his appendix taken out in ALT WORLD when he was 7 ish? he would be around 7 in 1977 correct?
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anybody think that David Shephard's music teacher might be Daniel Faraday?
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I seem to recall Napoleon Park called "Gay Pirates" on Walt's kidnappers the week it happened.
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Technically, yeah. It was a reveal.
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...I didnt think of Daniel as a teacher but i thought the music lil Jack was playin was gonna be driveshaft
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I think he would in retrospect have been Kate's horse who caused the accident, allowing her to ditch the marshal. That's his way of guiding her to the island. He may also have been Hugo's Dave, and the Hurley Bird.
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in lax, will people see they have bullet hole wounds in their chest and not remember gettin them? ie the marshall, sawyer, locke... also it would be funny if somehow laSawyer gets a std from the women he slept wit on the island (question, did he do AnaL?)
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in lax, will people see they have bullet hole wounds in their chest and not remember gettin them? ie the marshall, sawyer, locke... also it would be funny if somehow laSawyer gets a std from the women he slept wit on the island (question, did he do AnaL?)
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Seriously? Nah, really. Cause when Jacob visited Kate at a crucial point in her childhood, (he decision to steal) that was one upped by the horse? Jacob needed to come into her life again?
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How did the Hurley Bird impact anything? Explain.
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Why not Vincent? There is no logic that it is true.. Except if the black side can transform then why not the white? White Smoke Monster... White Dog... Horse.. Jacob?
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I don't think this is the best way to view the show
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I believe neither Jacob or MIB is "good." They BOTH manipulate. Just sayin'
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Locks white light = White Smoke Monster?? I don't know.. I just watch LOST and daydream the rest..
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I'm working on a idea here, so this may take a few consecutive posts. If I don't reply to comments, I'm not ignoring you, I'm just trying to get to the caboose on this train of thought. (part 1 of 10)
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The thing I was wondering was, if the LA X continuity was the "What if Juliet got that sunnavabitch Jughead fuse to explode and Faraday's plan worked" option, why were so many things different, starting with Dez and not Shannon on the plane, then John with Helen and Jack with son? Ben Linus, history teacher? Why the major differences that did not stem directly from 815's safe landing?
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I loved the first season, when Lost was an anthology about character stories and the mythos was the hook that connected those stories. Starting with the time-hopping "Constant" - a huge favorite here, though not one of mine - I was rolling my eyes back when it became obvious the only way to explain The Island's mysteries was for LOST to be a science-fiction series.Then, once the summer long Season five talkback got underway with the whole "it's all about Esauce" chat, my eyes rolled the other way. Now it's fantasy, and a heavy handed good/evil, black & white religious metaphor at that?
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But I realized The Darlton weren't going to bend to my whim, so I might as well go along for the ride. So, what if... (cue wavy soft focus flashback sequence effect)What if Lost IS a simple black&white, good vs. evil religious metaphor? Man in white vs. Man In Black? The clip show identified the other Island resident as "Jacob's Nemesis, the Man In Black". Wasn't there a book that identified Satan as God's "Nemesis" on the best seller list for, like, ever?And, yeah there's a Biblical Jacob, but more to the point, isn't Man-In-White's name spelled J-vowel-consonant-vowel-consonant like another certain Savior whose birth and death are celebrated as Holidays?And the pre-Christian mythos - the Egyptian statue and hieroglyphics, etc. Well, isn't the tale of God vs. Lucifer pre-Christian? Doesn't the concept of monotheism imply that all beliefs with One God or One Big God all refer to the same One God, whether you call him God, Yahwah, Allah, Zeus, Odin or whoever?Wasn't Lucifer a fallen angel and former companion turned bad? And if you have "sympathy for the devil" isn't he just stuck doing the job God planned for him?Benjamin shows remource for killing Jacob, even though Jacob's death was part of a larger plan. Didn't Judas suicide out over his necessary role in the death of Jesus?(Yes, I got most of my theology from Jesus Christ, Superstar.)
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He was the graffiti artist who started that "God is Dead" slogan, right?Well, what if Jacob as God were to die as part of MIB's plan - or, more likely, as part of a plan of his own. If Jacob is eternal, all-knowing, unknowable and MIB's plan is "to kill everyone on this island", would killing Jacob erase all traces of him up and down the entire timeline?
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The Explosion caused the island to sink.But When? The presence of New Otherton or Dharmaville is a clue.Is there a volcano on the island? Does that mess up the Island as space-ship theory or would it be "volcanic tube/exhaust port?Does saying "the explosion made the island sink" mean "immediately"? Cause and effect, Boom[poom]sink? Or did the explosion weaken the foundation and ultimately, eventually directly lead to the Island sinking at some later point?Without trying to "steal
anyone elses theory, I am trying to accommodate the possibility that the events in the 2007 Island "present" may lead to the sinking that kills everyone on the Island and leads to the creation of the 2004 LA X reality. Thus, consecutive realities in their own times, neither forward or back do we flash.The Darlton also sayeth "maybe in this version of reality Jacob never touched the chosen 815ers. (And the Nestor said "Maybe Richard wasn't on the island when it sank" - though we know he was there in 1977 when Juliet hit the sunnavabitch with a rock.) -
Jacob touched his chosen potential replacements and drew them to the island. Not just the 815ers, but many of the Others and Dharma members he drew unto him.His Nemesis envied his power and grew vengeful and plotted to find The Loophole.Benjamin thrust a knife into his heart and killed his body, which MIB destroyed by fire as he knelt dying.Shepherd smashed the mirrors in the lighthouse, blinding Jacob of his ability to peer into the lives of his chosen.[and then a bunch of other stuff that hasn't happened yet}Until finally Jacob "gave up his ghosts" and died. And when an immortal eternal being dies, he dies up and down the time line, ceasing to have ever existed at all!
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So Jacob, never having existed, never touched his chosen potential replacements and never drew them together on the island and [something something, yada yada woof woof blaah blah} Island sank and the LA X alternity sprang into existance; much like the Crisis n Infinite Worlds reset that created a new version of reality that "always" existed. So this was NOT a universe that sprang into existence in 2004 at the moment that 815 wassn't torn apart by an electromagnetic surge from the island caused by Desmond's failure to push a button. This was a new world that had "always" existed, in which there was a Dharma Initiative on the island, in which there was "an incident" that eventually led to the sinking of the Island, but a world in which there was no Jacob - never had been a Jacob. All the LA X segments are depictions in the coming world in which Jacob (and his Nemesis) never existed. The lives of the 815ers and the Others who were neer touched by or affected by the non-existant Jacob.
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A Kate still on the run, a deceptive thief and possibly a patricidal murderer, but a happier one? A Locke resigned to his fate, never pushed out a window by his father but destined to wind up in a wheelchair anyway? A Jack who had his appendicitis earlier in life and was destined to be a sad-sack divorcee and father to a moody kid. A Claire destined to raise her own child, as someone in another world predicted she must. Charlie a one-hot wonder rock star junkie languishing in prison for smuggling heroin. The luckiest Hurley in the world, or so he believes. And whatever we will learn in the next ten episodes about the alternate lifestyles of the LA X world inhabitants. The ultimate question, I guess, will be "are they better off in a world without Jacob?
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Like a lot of my theories I toss out, this could be totally off base, full of holes or full of crap. Go ahead, start tugging at the lynch pins.
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I just figured no one would read it if it was one huge block of text post, so I'd try staggering it out as a numbered series. Or "season" as they say in America.Nothing else to do, NBC's still off the air, Human Target's preempted by "So you think that's entertainment?," the Leverage season is over and Criminal Minds is rerunning their creepy "Plot from Pink Flamingos" episode. I had that "What if the LA X alternate was a world with No Jacob" thought rattling around in my head when I woke up this morning as the solution to "Why is the LA X world NOT the "What if Faraday's plan worked" world, and I thought I'd jot it down and toss it out there for consideration and discussion.Lucky for me I have the psychic power to reach through the internets and force people to read my stuff. What, I don't have that any more? Darn. Never mind.
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Yeah, I still would...
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Yeah we get it,there's parallels, but these long diatribes comparing everything going on in Lost to shit that happened in the bible is getting old. Yes they pay homages, but they are not going to hook the whole conclusion on it, I guarantee you. People are reading waaaay to far into the religious angle and trying to extrapolate the ending that way, and it is just TOO obvious. Get ready for the throwing of the loop on you.
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I saw my first episode of Lost on DVD in mid-January. The sixth season just feels different, not as well executed. I hope it gets better.
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First, in part 3 Vikki clearly stated that he hoped Lost would NOT turn out to be a religious metaphor. What followed was just a hypothetical "but what if it is?" that tried to make sense of how that would fit the current Lost mythos as we understand it.That's what we do here, toss out ideas. Well, those us us who don't come here to insult people and their ideas.Really, most of that was from Jesus Christ, Superstar and various back issues of Sandman. I guess you know more about the bible than I do in order to be so bored with it: exactly what book, chapter and verse does it say "God is Dead" and that an alternate world exists which may demonstrate that humanity is better off without Him? Which was the possible message I took from NP's - I mean, Vikki's - hypothetical.
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I just have a lot of time on my hands since the Death Star exploded. And I've been using this name since I was 14.
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Just got my new entry for 6.05 Lighthouse up!
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Hey look, I didn't mean to offend you, if I did. Basically, what you said was "LOST is a parody of itself now," but didn't really offer up any real reasons as to why you thought that way. But for some reason, I didn't treat you like the regular trolls that come through here and bash the show, and I gave you a response. Since you didn't provide evidence of why LOST is a parody of itself and only offered the "You've got what it takes" quote as a possible reason, I figured you probably didn't understand it. If you don't like where you think the plot is going, hey, to each his own, I feel bad for you for not enjoying the final season.
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Oh yeah. Bloody primitive commenting system
In-depth mystery and character analysis is a copy-and-pasting of the following link away!
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I peaked early.
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I'm glad I could entertain! PS, I keep meaning to watch some of your videos sometime. I'll get to it, don't worry.
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MaxTheSilent - agreed- dirty crazy axe wielding Claire is dirty crazy hot.MyWeaknessIsStrong - agreed - any Lost episode wold benefit from more of Ilana's big melons - and her full succulent lips. Crude remark using succulent as a verb eluding me right now, probably not that clever anyway.Teedadawg - I have not seen Cougar Town but I loved Busy Phillips on Love, Inc. when she was a redhead. Look her up on a google image search and after a few pages there's a comparison of her blonde self to the characters in the movie "White Chicks" - I think she made the comparison herself in an interview as well. Still a hottie but not unlike Laura Prepon, she was better off as a redhead.
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I had been trying to think of who else could be buried there, bc there are a lot of extra crosses there. I figured Marshal Mars is there, and I'm gonna guess Hurley, Sayid, Sawyer, Juliet, Bernard, and Jin buried the dead Others from the beach attack there too. I don't think they'd disrespect the corpses (especially with Sayid being a Muslim and cremation a big no-no). So that's Boone, Marshall Mars, Scott (or was it Steve?), Shannon, Ana-Lucia, Libby, a bunch of Others, Nikki, Paulo... Who else? NOT Eko, Arzt, Charlie, Faraday, Charlotte, or... who is Joanna? I bet they put a cross up for Charlie, though, regardless.
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Because they had met Locke and then saw his dead body and knew the Walking Locke was not real, but was Jacob's enemy. But they don't know Locke, don't know who he is, don't have a picture, and thus thought it was a better idea to carry his body to the good guys so they could see his face and go "Ah! So I know NOT to trust this guy if he comes walking around here!" Unfortunately, they were just too late.
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an interesting coinsidence is King David wrote Psalms 23 which is "The Lord is my Shepherd" which Charlie and Eko recited over Ekos dead brother in the drug plane. Jack is also #23. Again just a funny coincidence though.
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http://lostroom23.blogspot.com/
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liked his flash-sideways and hurley's comments lol.
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He's gotta be as wrinkly as an old mans penis. Poor guy. That shit is just gross. He's just gonna float down there, in that little room, decomposing forever. I try not to think about the conditions of fictional characters fictional dead bodies...but I can't.
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I know that stuff isn't "important", but still...shit like that just makes lost so great. Eko and Charlie recite King Davids 23rd Psalm The Lord is My Shepard. What other show can even pretend to be able to make connections on a level like that? While I know it isn't "planned" or important facts to know...I still don't think its unintentional. These writers are some smart, well-read motherfuckers. God damn impressive catch on that shit. Well done.
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I think more often about the fact that he killed himself for nothing. He had time to get on the other side of that door if he wanted but chose to die due to some misguided gallantry and a belief in a vision that didn't come true.
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interesting
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Gary Troup, vaporized when sucked into the turbine. Leslie Arzt, blowed up real good. Charlie Pace, drowned, body never recovered (though he's still entombed in the radio room he locked himself in unless he was sucked out through the porthole Mikhail blew up with the grenade.And... Joanna, possibly the second death on the island (technically off the island, she was an Olympic class swimmer who either mistakenly thought she could escape/survive/get rescued, or she suicided out, by swimming directly out into the ocean until she was exhausted and drowned. One of the early episodes.No edit function, so I proofread when I think of it and caught a typo: I wrote that "Arzt blowed up real goo". Which I suppose he did. "Dude, you got Arzt on you."
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At least I don't think so. If he hadn't closed the door when he did...you ever try closing a giant metal door with water rushing in? It would have filled up to fast, and they all would have drowned instead. At least that was my view. And he did get them off the Island. Its kind of sad because they all ended up coming back...but I still choose to believe Charlie didn't die for nothing. He served a purpose. And even if I'm wrong, his death gave us one of the most beautiful and emotional episodes of lost on record. One of my personal favorites.
My real, REAL gripe, probably by biggest complaint in all of lost, is why, WHY, did they spend an entire episode making the greatest hits list, and made a point of charlie telling desmond to make sure claire gets it, just to have desmond put it in his pocket, dive into the ocean, and effectively destory the list. And on top of that, he never even mentions the letter to claire, or tells her what it said. What was the point of that? I was fucking invested in that list after that episode. I was heartbroken when they took a shit on it five minutes later. Honest to god, if I could ask Darlton one question, it would be why they did that? Not what the island is, or who the bloody boy is, or anything mythology based. I want to know why they did that. -
Smokie took him out.. maybe Smokie doesn't like hearing that Eko has sided with the Shephard bloodline on the island? >/BR> "The lord is my SHEPHARD". Not making a joke here, maybe thats how Smokie took it
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Totally forgot about her drowning.
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I wondered the very same thing.
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Learn to swim dumbass. Jack can't save evvvverybody.
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Feb 24, 2010 11:18:52 PM CST
Charlie's death IS and WAS " the most beautiful and emotional"..
by d.vader
... moment on LOST. Ever. Totally.
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I called Joanna "possibly" the second death after Gary Troup (and everyone who actually died in the crash, of course.)She might have been the third. In an early scene in the pilot episode, Jack is on the beach with all the panic and shit happening, he's working on someone with a badly injured leg, see's he's urgently needed elsewhere, and as I recall it he calls to someone and asks "can you set a broken leg?" and the person says "sure" or something. Like, who can't, right? Whatever.Well, did we EVER see broken leg guy again? did we ever see an 815 redshirt with a cast on his leg, or using a crutch, or, in all those forced marches from one end of the place to the other, even someone walking with a limp? Not that I can recall. So maybe that guy, Mr. Leg Break, was the islands second death after Gary Troup and the first person buried on Boone Hill.
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Like Crow says, she never got Desmond's list, or even a *mentioning* of the Greatest Hits list. And she got over Charlie pretty quick. I will eternally remain pissed that she told Kate she couldn't sleep in the DHARMA beds bc it was weird to have a bed, NOT bc she was up all night thinking of Charlie. Bad writing there! AUUGH!
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By far my least favorite LOST character. She's just a selfish, annoying little girl. She was always terrible to Charlie. Didn't deserve his unabashed devotion. I agree Vader, the thing about the beds was just ridiculous. Can't ANYONE care that Charlie is dead besides Hurley? I'm pretty sure he cried a lot...and Claire was like "Oh no....where's my peanut butter? Nom nom nom"
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That they are keeping Sawyer a wreck due to losing Juliet. That's realistic. That's how it should be. I don't buy into the "its tv, characters should get over it faster" bunk. That was a mistake with Claire. Not so with Sawyer. I'm glad he's still grieving.
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Feb 24, 2010 11:32:53 PM CST
A friend just suggested a very cool idea regarding Time Travel
by d.vader
What if the day Locke turned the wheel was the day Jacob was visited by MiB on the beach? Now, I doubt this bc when Locke first went down, there was a well, and when he fell, there was NO well at all, which suggests it was EVEN further back than the Black Rock's arrival. The well looked ancient. To not have a well would have to be more ancient. Anyway, it was an interesting suggestion. He's trying to rationalize the Island sinking and coming up under The Black Rock. I don't buy a word of it. Just thought it was an interesting idea, that the LOSTies could be there back in the day with MiB and Jacob, at one point. Possibly influencing things. Jacob could get their names due to something left behind then? Doubtful. But cool idea.
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It clearly says that Joanna was an Olympic class swimmer. That was why she was in Australia, training. And she swam straight out into the ocean. Which would not be possible for someone who couldn't swim. At least they wouldn't get out far enough for Jack not to rescue them. She swam straight out so far she succumbed to exhaustion, meaning it was probably a suicide and she didn't want to make it back. She was out so far that Jack swam out and saved the person (Boone, I think) who got in trouble while trying to swim out and save her. One of Jack's first memorable screw-ups.Also 3711, are the rumours true that you're a pre-operative transsexual with a 37 inch bust and an 11 inch penis, or are you just bragging? Or is 3 the number of convenience stores you robbed?
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When the supposed Black Rock showed up, which means the statue was there back in the 1800s (that's the right time for the Black Rock, right?). And was the statue there when Sawyer and the others noticed, was that after they lowered Locke down?
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Think we too often fall into the trap of "this is how the character should handle death, because this is the common way we see it handled in fiction".
In reality people handle it in many many different ways. A good friend of mine has just lost his father, and I see him posting comments on facebook about sporting results, I am sitting there thinking, he shouldn't be doing that, he should be mourning, think entirely about his dad.
I think this of course because I think that is the "normal" way to handle death, but the obvious point is there is no such thing as "normal" when it comes to human emotions.
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Is that your first hostile post? I don't recall seeing that kind of attitude from you before. Or am I wrong, fellas?
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I just didn't like it. Charlie's death was too great to be glossed over too soon in my opinion.
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Where on Earth did that come from? Are you really that invested in Joanna? That was one of the weirdest posts I've ever read. You just attacked for...what again? I don't think we've ever conversed before.
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And how about 3711 is just the numbers aol gave me when I put in Crow for my username...when I was 10. My last name is Crow. I can't help that. It's just what I'm used to for a handle. Unoriginal? So sue me.
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According to lostpedia, Joannas name is even Joanna. Its Barbara Joanna. So you learn to read? What are we arguing about again? A nobody that died in the sixth episode of the series? Oh thats right. Kill yourself.
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Really ... post that link to your site enough times in these fucking talkbacks?
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That was my second "hostile" post, Vader. my first was up at Feb 24th, 2010 - 01:38:53 AMThe commercial for Lost [tm] Boytex Asss tampons. But whats hostile about asking a tranny if he has hug boobs and is enormously hung? What are you, prejudiced against trannies? 8).Crow, you seemed to think that Joanna couldn't swim, so I was clearing that up for you. Sorry I did if from memory instead of looking it up for you. I didn't know Dumas wrote for Lostpedia. ;pThough if a character identified as Joanna on the show has Joanna as a last name, how is it wrong to call her that? Am I incorrect in referring to "Sawyer" as Ford? 'Cause that's the name listed on the cave ceiling.Oh, and kill myself? Witty comeback, Wilde. Did you think I wound up weighing 386 pounds by accident? To quote General Durass, "I'm dying as fast as I can." Hell, I would have suicided out back in high school *40 years ago), but procrastination keeps saving my life.
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Feb 25, 2010 12:37:41 AM CST
did the Island make the alt world or did the alt world already e
by miyamoto_musashi
At the time of the explosion which is 1977 in our world, two things happened.
1. It sent our Losties into 2007.
2. It created a copy of the island that in the same instance created an alternate reality/dimension. Everyone and everything that existed in 1977 and prior to 1977 was recreated, the only difference for history is that the island never existed in this recreated history so that there are differences (No island, no Dharma, Ben's dad stayed in the US, Ben was never tainted, Ben became a teacher). The copy island crashing/landing into the Ocean.
How can island crash, when really its a mountain, well its not really an island is it.
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now I hafta go google to find out who the hell Dumas is.
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aka Alexandre Dumas, impoverished son of one of Napoleon's generals, a prolific reader, probably best known for his novels The Three Musketeers and The Count of Monte Cristo.
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Really like the idea of Vorlons and Shadows, older race of aliens, who have influenced the younger races including our own. Linking to our mythology, the whole angels and demons thing and the ability to look different to each different alien race. Babylon 5 season 2 -4 and the last ep of season 5, still some of the best sci-fi. Hell one of the best stories on TV
If you take the end as season 4 plus the last ep of season 5, far more satisfying for me than say BSG's ending.
I also prefer the whole view on that it was time for them to move on and the younger races to "grow up". Maybe its the atheist in me, maybe its the humanist in me but I like the idea of not being controlled or want to be controlled but seeing that we are in it together in charge of our own destiny and getting on with it. -
Part of me would like to see Jack and the losties sort out both Jacob and Smokey. No more manipulation and influence. "Sink" them both.
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Saw that one in MacFaux's post and it got me to thinking. This "womb" idea really seems to hold up in light of the clues given (as would 100's of others I'm sure). Not to mention slotting in quite neatly with all of LOST's ubiquitous childbirth/fatherhood fixations as well."It's described as a four-letter word" - check"There are no A's or E's in the word" - nope"Only one vowel" - check"It has to exist" - check"More importantly, someone has to protect it" - check"It's important to the world outside" - I'd say yeah.Of course it'll probably end up something else, but it's fun to speculate. Now, what exactly would be birthed by this womb is another question entirely. Was pondering on that one when a friend texted me synchronistically with this message after having sent him the clues yesterday..."Womb...for the next evolution of man or the birthplace of another parallel universe." Oddly enough, he's only halfway through Season 5, and knows nothing about the LA X business.
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I like both either the evolution of man or birthplace of a parallel universe.
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Wish I could take credit for the womb idea or the ideas about what comes out of it but sadly I can't.Regardless, I do so love this puzzle called LOST! It's gonna be like a death in the family for me when this thing's over with. Anybody think there's going to be cases of "Post-Lost Depression" after it's all over?
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My degree of "Post-Lost Depression" will be directly dictated by how well the Series Finale night plays out for me.
When that final LOST logo goes [POOM] at the end of the series delivers me to Hugh Hefner's bedroom, surrounded by 8 naked Playboy bunnies feeding me grapes...with 6 more begging me to join them in the Grotto to judge the lesbian make out contest...I think my depression level will be very low.
However...if the finale leaves ne cold, wet and naked...balled up in the fetal postion in a Walmart parking lot...Well... let's just say throwing my TV set into my swimming pool will be my first order of business. Followed by a sincere devotion to reality TV and who Snooki is fucking on "Jersey Shore". I will NEVER get invested in another heavy mythology show ever again (I'm lookin at you Fringe & FlashForward!). I will likely turn to crack or crystal meth for comfort & support...and I will boycott anything with the name Abrams, Lindeloff or Cuse attached henceforth.
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The clever sequel to Lost will be called "The Hunted Ones".
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Feb 25, 2010 3:03:30 AM CST
Miyamoto_Musashi san, I am not a vulcanologist, but
by anotherdeadkitten
"How can island crash, when really its a mountain, well its not really an island is it. The island not existing, nothing to protect,..."Well, it has been theorized that the island is volcanic in nature - a pimple on the earth, a stream of hot lava erupts from Earth's core and the outside cools as the inside recedes, leaving a fragile, hollow shell. (Filled with Blofeld's army of S.P.E.C.T.R.E. agents? Perhaps not this time.) So rather than a mountain, a wedge of solid rock jutting from the floor of the sea, we have a tube, a hollow shell of a pedestal beneath the island, supporting it's precarious balance and home to it's churning vortex of bizarre electromagnetic energies.Juliet hits the sunnuvabitch that is Jughead's fuse core and the explosion tears the energy pocket asunder and shatters the Island's delicate shell, allowing it to plunge to the bottom of the sea.When is a mountain not a mountain? Well, to put it another wayThe lock upon my garden gate's a snail, that's what it isFirst there is a mountain then there is no mountain, then there isThe lock upon my garden gate's a snail, that's what it isFirst there is a mountain then there is no mountain, then there isCaterpillar sheds his skin to find the butterfly withinCaterpillar sheds his skin to find the butterfly withinFirst there is a mountain then there is no mountain, then there isFirst there is a mountain then there is no mountainOh, Juanita, oh, JuanitaOh, Juanita I call your nameOh, the snow will be a blinding sight to see as it lies on yonder hillside-Donovan (Leitch)-
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Describe what Marcellus Wallace looks like!Say what again.SAY WHAT AGAIN.I dare you, I double dare you, motherfucker.Say what one more goddamn time.Does he look like a bitch?DOES HE LOOK LIKE A BITCH?Then why you try to fuck him like a bitch, Brett?Yes you did.Yes you did, Brett.You tried to fuck him.And Marcellus Wallace don't like to be fucked by anybody,except Mrs. Wallace.
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Describe what Marcellus Wallace looks like!Say what again.SAY WHAT AGAIN.I dare you, I double dare you, motherfucker.Say what one more goddamn time.Does he look like a bitch?DOES HE LOOK LIKE A BITCH?Then why you try to fuck him like a bitch, Brett?Yes you did.Yes you did, Brett.You tried to fuck him.And Marcellus Wallace don't like to be fucked by anybody,except Mrs. Wallace.
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Cheif, before you get cold, wet and naked and balled up in the fetal postion in a Walmart parking lot...
Go inside that Wal Mart and buy yourself a sharpie. Then you will want to write your home address on your arm or chest...eventually some nice old lady will find you and wheel you home in a shopping cart. They always do.
My only error was not getting rid of the sharpie. Crazy granny bitch left me looking like Ace Frehly. Don't make that mistake.
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So if Bloody Hand Boy - BhB (trademark!) is in fact Jody.. do that mean we will get to see Cissy and Buffy? (Not that Buffy, Herc) ..I tell you what, I'd pay a lot of money ..A LOT of money to have, to see Mr. French be the overall ultimate Bad Guy of the show...but he can't cause he went off to visit the Queen, right?
LOST is a 'Family Affair' idn't. Use to watch reruns of that show everyday after school.
Ya know, everyone thinks of that show when you think of J. Whittaker (or Sigmund and the Sea Monsters), but I always think of him in one of my favorite films. Guess it?
yep. 'The Russians Are Coming the Russians Are Coming' Carl Reiner, Johnathan winters, Alan Arkin, Brian Keith. magic. And, Vik, since we have an Island, and time travel and opposing sides and what nots.. Wouldn't it just be oh so cool if Lt. Rozanov showed up.
ROZANOV: Very clever little boy. Very, very clever, to see that my friend.. and I.. are foreigners here, but of course not Russian, naturally. What would Russians be doing on United States of America island, with so many animosities and hatreds between these two countries? It is too funny an idea, is it not? No, No, we, we are of course... Norveegans.
I'd pay good money to see that too. Mr French as bad guy. Lt. Rozanov as good guy. Oh please let that be who Jacob has coming to the Island. -
To destroy the scoobies!
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slightly disappointed with the season so far. last nights was improved apart from the stupid scene in the lighthouse
completely uncharacteristic or realistic. hurley, the fella who does actually ask questions, never noticed the names or numbers on the compass? if he spotted one "cursed" number they mean more to him and he'd look at the others surely. then jack smashing the glass when its given him an inkling of an answer to him being brought there all along. you want answers so you smash the thing that has finally given you clues. and just from seeing his house in the glass he jumps to the conclusion that jacob has been watching him all his life? just seemed like a fan confirmation not a character thought, cus im not sure how he'd get to that conclusion with such a strong link to his Dad throughout.
i love the show but sometimes some scenes are written poorly for me.
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my immediate thought when i read wallace was William Wallace in Braveheart = Desmond
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"Are you ready for a war?"
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The alternative you described is surely not the place I want to be taken by this whole experience. I mean, we've all seen the kinda people hangin around WalMart.http://tinyurl.com/l4uhap
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Sawyer lived with Juliet for 3 years in dharmaville, i'd expect him to grieve alot longer than Claire did for Charlie anyway(which was what, 10 mins at most).
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If we go with the "buy a vowel" theory that there is only one vowel, but it can repeat itself...i.e. DOOR...then don't you also have to say that this word puzzle could be also saying the word contains only 4 letters...but ALL the letters can repeat. So the word itself could be seven characters long...but only contain 4 letters. Get it? For example, the word Atlanta....has 4 total letters and only one vowel, though 7 characters.
Wallace...I think Walt is so important to the story, that he needs to come back...his mothers maiden name could be Wallace, or her new married name...he could be coming back to search for his father.
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** Fingers crossed. ** Wake me up for the Richard Alpert episode.
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Already got it bookmarked for when I'm feeling down about myself. I can ogle those Walmart images for hours and still find something ridiculous and new each time. It's like a slow motion train wreck you can take your eyes off of.
Mac...the odds on the LOST conclusion disappointing fans? Here's my Finale prediction:
FANTASTIC! BEST FINALE EVER!....0% - 20%
TOTALLY AWESOME!....10% - 80%
IT WAS AVERAGE....60% - 100%
THAT KINDA SUCKED...20% - 40%
WHAT AN ABORTION!...0% - 20%
Bottom line...it will NOT please everyone. LOST has so much mythology it has laid out over the years....there is NO WAY they will be able to please EVERYONE.
Those who get their "Hurley Bird" question answered...will be happy. While those longing to know what the hell Libby was doing in Hurley's nut house get left in the lurch...and therefore find the entire finale RUBBISH because of that ommission. (Hypothetical, of course).
Then you have to factor in the love triangle 'shipper' reactions. Jaters will absolutely LOATHE the finale if Kate ends up with Sawyer...and vise versa for the Skaters. If Chawlie doesn't reunite with Claire...there will be disgruntled fans...same with Pen & Des.
They really aren't set up well for pleasing EVERYONE...LOST is too polarizing for that nonsense.
I, for one, will be really upset if Walt is not reunited with Vincent...but my hope is...Enough cool shit will blow my mind that it will overshadow my bitterness to the reuniting of a boy with his dog.
That's the undefinable "Varible" that makes any prediction impossible to nail down. What SUPER GREAT SHIT has to happen to make people forget they got jipped on one of their precious theories not getting an answer?
That's my best guess at the outcome. Your mileage may vary.
PS. I always travel with a Sharpee on hand.
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DAVID Wallace...former CEO of Dunder Miflin Paper Company...Now, unemployed inventor of "Suck It!"
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Nice, good catch on the 4 letter puzzle thing. However, I feel that we're overthinking this whole thing. I'm going with "ship". I still think the island is some kind of timeship, and smokie is probably a "man" from the future somehow, and wants to go back home (meaning to his own time), like the Losties we're trapped in the 70's and they wanted to go home, but on a much larger scale.
And somebody brought up the Buffy scenario earlier, which is a good theory. Maybe Smokey wants to go home, so he needs to get into the temple (control room in there somewhere), to rev up the timeship. Dogen knows that they can't let Smokey into the control room. Smokey wants to use the island/ship to open a portal to his own time, which would cause a rift thus destroying our world in the process. Thus the island "has to exist" (in our world), and someone "has to protect it" (keep it from being used). And being Smokey, he can't die, so someone will always have to stand guard on the island and be the "Jacob".
Also, I still think they will pull the ole switcheroo and make Smokey out to not be the bad guy. He is just someone who is trapped (and lost, get it?), and just wants to go back to where he belongs. Unfortunately, for him to get there, he has to mess up a lot of sh*t to do it. It's not like our heroes blow up a bomb to get back or anything like that.
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Sorry for the typos, still having muh coffee.
Crezwell, I agree with your sentiment.
Not being a troll, just making a point and keeping it real: You have a problem when all you need is the 30 second "previously on Lost" recap at the beginning to catch up if you missed the previous week's episode.
It's also not a good sign when people make valid criticisms regarding the pacing of the show (i.e. the Kate episode was boring!), and the producer writes, "Screw you, go watch NCIS instead." OK, he didn't say screw you, and later they kind of softened their statement, but they still meant that. I don't want to watch NCIS, I want to watch a cool genre show with mystery. You don't have to even give me "answers", just throw in more special effects or a chase scene or something exciting. Stop having characters just walking through the jungle. It's boring. Having them start walking, show other characters for a while, and then have the walkers just show up somewhere and it's implied they've been hiking all day. -
a mate of mine mentioned a theory he'd read elsewhere.
when jacob met kate as a child he told her not to steal. She didnt take his advice and made the wrong choice, so maybe she merely became important to the course and dropped out the running as a candidate at that point.
everything was already set in place (fate?) for her to go to the island but now she wasnt worthy.
How many people do we think have come to the island over the years? i was thinking that maybe the 360 names on the compass are everyone who has and will come to the island, gradually all being crossed off until theres only one. these names have been written for hundreds of years, and theyre finally down to the last 6 possible candidates after a looong selection process.
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...what if lost ends somewhat like that Buffy is crazy as hell ep, meaning Jack will have to accept the reg reality despite havin a family in lax... this could be like superman "for the man who has everything"... *shudders* eww, i just talked bout superman without insultin him and his gay curl (ps i REALLY hate Superman and Cap America... but as a true hater i didnt go in the Sman or Cap tbs to express it... THATS HOW YOU HATE! HATE HATE HATE)
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hope we never get all the answers or more likely believe we know all the answers, that would turn us from humans to drones
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Feb 25, 2010 9:12:10 AM CST
People griping about the Hurley bird not being explained are jok
by colonel_blimp
They're not seriously thinking there was something more to it than a huge bird making a sound that sounded like "hurley", and that the creators owe it to them to explain what that was all about? Loved this episode, but deRavin is probably the weakest link of the Lost ensemble. Hurley and Jack were great, though. Liked young David, too. Anyone notice the recurring visual motif of mirrors/reflection this season, and especially this ep? Nice.Two questions (probably posed before, but there is no way I'm reading this entire talkback, sorry. If you don't want to answer, tell me to fuck off. If you answer, I'm much obliged) 1)What's up with this four letter one vowel riddle you're talking about? 2) So we know who the individual numbers refer to, but why bring all the other 815ers to the island if they are already crossed out on Jacob's list? I mean, the number sequence (4815162342) has been that way for at least 30 years, probably longer, so if Jacob has known since then that it would come down to these six individuals, why assign for instance Claire a number if she was already unworthy before she was born? (Sorry, this is messily written, but do you se where I'm going?)
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God, this site is tiresome.
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I just realized that they will not be showing Walt in season 6.
If Jack has a boy in alternate time, then obviously someone who has a boy probably doesn't in alt time. They will show Michael, sans Walt. He never had kids in that timeline. White David takes the place of Walt in the alt world, so they don't have to deal with Malcolm David Kelley being not little anymore.
So, in the finale, when they all coincidentally get on a plane, they will show Michael sitting by himself and Jack will get on the plane to Sydney with David in tow. Lame, bring back Walt, people. -
I wonder whether there had been no successful conceptions on the island because they hadn't been conceived in the 'alternate/real' reality (where the island had crash).
For example, Aaron was conceived before crashing on the island, so would technically exist in both realities. Ji Yeon was conceived on the island but born in the outside world. Maybe the women who had conceived on the island and tried to give birth on the island couldn't because it only existing in the one reality? -
When Jack smashed up the coffin in Season 1, it was empty, implying for some reason that Christian was not in the coffin and thus not on the plane after all (somehow). But it seems that Smokey can only take the form of dead bodies that are on the island (Yemi, Alex, Locke). Also, in the finale when Jack and white David take the plane from LAX to Sydney, probably to retrive Christian's then found body (still back in Sydney), they can say is doesn't matter that there isn't a body on the plane to mirror season 1, because Christian was never in the coffin in Sn 1 in the first place.
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Feb 25, 2010 10:29:24 AM CST
Cheif Brody, I guarantee there will be no POOMF in the finale
by d.vader
I will bet all my Star-Bucks that the ending will have a silent LOST title-card, like they did during tender episode endings in Season 1 and a few times later.
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With the Phoenix lights? The lights are part of an experiment designed to distract us from the REAL terror? The aliens who are digging up from BELOW?!?!
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I think it's a perfect description of how LOST is presented. In fact I would say that is exactly why the flash-forward worked the first time. We were all so busy trying to place where in the past that episode took place, we never even considered that it was the future. In the same way that I think Dharma was the ultimate,'hey look over here', because we all got so focused on Dharma and what it is/was we lost sight of the bigger picture.
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The riddle is from a Jorge Garcia interview you can find here.http://tinyurl.com/ycd3z7n or just scroll up a ways.
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Smokey was really James Ford all along, Jacob was really Jack all along...in some kind of time-travel cross-alt timeline kind of deal.
Sitting on the beach, "You know how much I want to kill you." Then in the very next episode, "If Juliet dies, I'm gonna kill Jack." But he has to promise Kate that he won't kill Jack (himself). He needs a loophole to keep his promise to Kate.
How does Jacob now that Hurley can see the dead? Because Jack will come to understand that Hurley really can do this.
The kid from the season 5 finale who plays little Sawyer kind of looks a little like the slightly older kid who shows up and speaks to unLocke in the jungle. That would be almost teen James Ford speaking to himself, reminding himself that he "wasn't supposed to kill him". His guilt was eating away at him. Also, the only other person to see the kid in the jungle was our normal timeline Sawyer himself (Richard couldn't see him). And Sawyer can't communicate with the dead like Hurley (or sort of Miles, how can only hear the dead). So the only explanation would be that Sawyer can see the manifestations of his own self.
Also, it would be awkward if the finale season, and thus the whole show was really about two characters (Jacob and Smokey) that they only just introduced at the end. The twist has to be that those are really characters that we have been following all along, in a way. -
But would they really spend six years on a show involving time travel and alternate realities and have the central conflict be, I can't do this because I promised a woman I only knew for about 4 months I wouldn't exact revenge for the death of my girlfriend of three years? I would believe nanobots and tree covered UFO's before I'd buy that.
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I agree they need to tie Jacob and MIB into the previous seasons but I don't think it will be that they ARE characters we know. I think they will just be more related then we now know.
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...might be 'PLUG'...to a black hole or other sumesuch dangerous phenomena. It has to be protected and it's important to the world outside. If it gets dislodged or 'unplugged', said phenomena might destroy the world at some point...mostly.
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I think jacks appendix is important. I think his appendix becomes Jacob...it all makes sense now.
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I think jacks appendix is important. I think his appendix becomes Jacob...it all makes sense now.
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I didnt think that was funny enough to post twice...sorry.
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At this stage a 'ship' of some description would plant the show in a certain sci-fi realm that would conveniently answer a lot of the show's mysteries, if unsatisfactorily. If BSG ended with 'God did it' (never watched BSG, looked forward to watching it until I read that little detail in these TBs!) then Lost hardly will follow the same route, but I know nothing.
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Yeah, I know it's a stretch. It was just a thought, about as good as the appendix theory. Doh!
However, is Jacob just super-brilliand, and/or can J and Smokey really read minds? Maybe they know these people so well, because they really KNOW THESE PEOPLE SO WELL. (Only used caps, because I don't have italics, not shouting.) I know they showed the monster "reading" Eko's mind before, but that may be one of those things that they showed once and never come back to, so to speak.
Maybe "the rules" are just implied. Are there really rules and such at play, and how will that be explained? I don't like the "promise to Kate" idea either, but it would explain some things, and although lame, wouldn't be any worse than Starbuck just disappearing and saying that angels did it all in the end. Again, I don't like this theory, I'm putting forth this hypothesis. I still lean toward Smokey and Jacob being people we already know.
They will reveal a lot in the upcoming Richard episode, but they need some kind of super-twist to keep in their back pocket until the final episode. They will pull the rug out from under us somehow.
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actually a peninsula! (ok. I stole that from the Simpsons)
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ok...so if it a 4 letter word with one vowel...then my guess is a TOMB. It has to exist because it keeps someone buried and away from reincarnation into the world. maybe the antichrist/MIB/fallen angel or something...dunno..
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Right on. And I guess I wouldn't be completely pissed if it ended up being something along the lines of you made a promise out loud on the island now the island will force you to keep it. And I do like the idea of Jacob/MIB being people we know.
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That is what I am hoping for. I know it would be a little spoon-fed but I honestly don't even remember half the shit that's happened on this show. I need some re-visitation.
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I like TOMB as well...Maybe Charlotte already answered it for us last season "This place is DEATH."
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The 4 letter word is "cash."
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Don't even joke about that. "How come we didn't notice that the island was a peninsula before?" "Maybe you weren't looking."
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and the scar is the imploded Swan station.
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God's Vagina. A magical place.
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That also makes the Kate episode a lot less filler, and more meaningful: if much of the final thrust has to do with Sawyer's grief and rage toward Jack. Otherwise, than that episode was just a big emmy-grab. Anyway, J and Smokey might be different characters than I posited, but the final twist must have something to do with the big reveal of what Smokey's real name is. "I'm not a what, I'm a who."
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havent't seen anyone mention this yet .. but .. wasnt Vincent shown DEAD inside Claire's casket ????
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Sure. I will point out however, that the very reason we are using for why this would be good, in that it would involve characters we've know from the start, rather than Jacob and MIB, who we just met, is also why it would suck. Sawyer JUST said that stuff. For this to be a fully realized idea there would need to be a line or something from back in season 1 or 2.
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Vincent time travelled and was with Rose and Bernard.. Claire didn't time travel.. so Vincent isn't dead.
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The bones/skull in question could have been boar remains. Besides the writers would have to be insanely retarded to kill off a fan favorite like Vincent
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Hurley says something along the lines of "how will he find the island now that Jack threw his bitch fit"...Jacob says "I'm sure THEY will find a way. I don't think it's just Widmore or Desmond. Maybe both.
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Are the Flash-sideways actually going anywhere? Five episodes in and they don't appear to be connected, but more like the flash backs of the early seasons. Maybe they're building to something, but right now it feels like half of every episode is filler (okay, what might have been, but what's that got to do with what's happening on the Island?), and for the last season, they can't be messing around with that.
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Anyone else have problems watching episodes on their DVR with Charter cable. Mine won't let me FF or REW. Every other show I record I can do whatever but with LOST it only lets me watch it straight thru commercials and all.
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The flash sideways carry much weight. Jack's reboot worked for him. He has a relationship with his son and a fairly healthy worldview. Will he have to choose between this life and his destiny as island protector?
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As you pointed out "they" will find a way. Which could just be someone trying to be vague when specifying an individual but is more usually used as a plural.
Add to this when Jacob died last season, "they are coming" he said.
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True, Jack's reboot worked, so did Locke's (to an extent), Hurley's, etc. But there's no connection between the two stories. Island-Jack is completely seperate from Happy-Dad-Jack, and so are all the other characters (we'll have to wait and see how it works for Desmond). It's not like last season where the off-Island characters were actively trying to get back. This time there's nothing going on off the Island. I hope you're right about some kind of choice having to be made, but at the moment it just doesn't look like it's going anywhere.
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That is what Lost has always been about at its core. Even fathers and daughters in Kate's case. Maybe that's why the potential candidates (so far) have all been dudes.
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First time poster, long time AICN reader here,
My wife had a cool theory that maybe Christian is an UnLocke candidate & his keeping Jack down all those years was always the plan b/c he’s bad, similarly his going after Claire etc. I’m not so sure if that’s the case but it’s cool to ponder.
Am I the only one that thinks it’s odd that Claire saw UnLocke was her “friend” but mentioned she’d been there with her father? I think someone else in this talkback mentioned that. How came she didn’t recognize UnLocke pretending to be her father but sees it now? Maybe that was Jacob who used Christian to get to her & also to get Jack to follow him to the lighthouse early on but Jack got sidetracked at the cave.
I wonder if the 2 skeletons are Sun & Jin, crazy? Maybe the Kwon candidate is their baby, not either of them & Jacob has set that up as a failsafe for later?
I’m also wondering if Jacob might be able to take another form like smokey. Someone else mentioned that Locke saw a bright light& Eko saw smokey, maybe Jacob has/had the ability to take other’s forms/another form.
I love this show, it’s frustrating at times due to the ambiguity & the way folks never just give a frickin’ straight answer, but it’s still one of the best things I’ve seen on T.V.
War Eagle!!!
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Agreed. My guess going forward is that the subconscious recognition that the writers are pointing to (Jack's scar, etc;) will point them towards their underwater island destiny. Wow that sounds ridiculous. Kinda got lost there for a second.
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Yin and Yang, black and white, choice and destiny, joy and suffering, lost and found. Those who wish to unbalance the equation will defeat themselves in the end.
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I think its Frogurt.
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I actually had to sit and think about it for a minute before deciding. It's really the only option I suppose. He really was a giant unholy cock to begin with. Those flaming arrows....classic.
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was left in 77 with Rose and Bernard. I would assume that all three of them died before 815 even crashed of old age. Vincent probably died first since Dogs live about 10 to 15 years and Bernard probably buried him/her somewhere nice. So I agree with what was said before, Claire's skull baby (saying that reminds me of the Tar baby in Song of the South for some reason) was probably old warthog bones and other things.
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I love the direction that Darlton are taking things this season so Im betting that the ending will be great also. Even if its Wal-Mart though Im still going to love it. Even if they don't answer the Libby question (which is a personal desire) Im betting that I'll still love it.
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I'm honestly asking, no attack at all. We haven't seen them yet this season, and last time we did they were at their little cabin in the woods telling our heroes to basically get lost. I just assumed they flashed back with our heroes because...well they went back in time with them...why wouldn't they get warped back also? I can't imagine Darlton finishing the series without us ever seeing them again. Why do you think they got left behind? Just because they weren't at the detonation site?
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I always liked that lady.
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i.e. POINTLESS?
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That is the question.
My guess is...there will DEFINITELY be one last final [POOM] sound effect accompanying the LOST title card at the end of the Series Finale.
While I put the odds at 50-50...Since that sfx was used in 99.5 percent of every episode that ever aired all 6 years...you can count on 1 hand the times it was omitted...I have a feeling, just out of tradition...we will hear the coda one final time.
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I think you mean poignant? If that conversation between Locke and Boone rang out to you as pointless...I think you missed the point. No offense.
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...since it's good.
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Will we get any NON-Flash episodes this season?
Ala "The Other 48 Days"....or "3 Minutes"...which were, in fact, ALL flashback episodes...albeit ON ISLAND flashbacks.
My hope is...we get two.
1. Richard Alpert
2. Jacob & MIB
I mean....once they get thru all the core Lostie characters with the sideways flashes...(my guess is we will still have to see Hugos, Sawyers, Sayids, Jin & Suns, Claires & maybe Miles?), what's left to tell?
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Kitten Kong!
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bite the bullet and get killed.
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Yeah, who knows. They couldve flashed to 2007 with everyone else. I mean, they also wound up in 77, so I'm betting they are alive somewhere on the Island.
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I'm with that. After the flash-sideways merge, then what else do we have to see with and flashes? (Well, besides Libbys story dammnit) But like I mentioned earlier, they are setting up the blocks for the beginning and then the flood gates will open. So, hopefully all Island stuff and no flashes at all.
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You are probably correct. It just seemed like when we last saw Rose and Bernard in the finale that they had found their happily ever after and that Darlton was letting us say goodbye to the island versions of them. Its been really hard for Darlton to get them on the show at the same time with their busy schedules and you can't have one without the other. So I just assumed that was goodbye. (I felt that the Jeremy Bentham episode was also Darlton painting an exit for Walt just in case they didn't have a way to work him back to the island.) Now with the flash sideways they can work them in individually a lot easyer. But what do I know They could meet up with Kate or Sun next Tuesday on the island.
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Just as long as she runs....off a cliff.
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I'm sorta tired from working since 5AM. But:
FLocke changed into smokey at the 4-toed statue, killed Bram and the team.
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Feb 25, 2010 5:43:00 PM CST
even if the alt timeline prove to have no direct impact
by colonel_blimp
on the old timeline (which I highly doubt), the sideflashes will still have earned their place, IMO. If as nothing else, then at least as counterpoints to the island timeline. It's not true that the alt-characters aren't the same people, they are. They are mirror images of them (confer the mirror/reflection motif this season, this ep in particular), and better versions of them, less broken, to use Jack's words. They are versions who are able to let go of their past, to admit their mistakes, to laugh at their predicament. In short, these characters, while still flawed, are definitely less *lost* than the Losties we've come to know. And they are less lost because they behave like decent people, letting go of their petty pride and reaching out to people instead of pushing them away - because they know that's the right thing to do, not because some supernatural force intervened and pushed them in a certain direction. These flashes show the Losties as they should be, and my guess is this will have some significance in the end.Lost has since the very beginning been a morality tale at heart, and this fits in perfectly with that. Can't wait.
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Well what Claire was up to while the OC 6 was off island could be a no flash episode. Although I could see it more as a flashback like the season 2 episode that showed what happened to he under Ethans care/captivity.
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is that MIB cant assume any new forms now. he's stuck in locke's form. if u watch the locke episode again hes obviously in his "smoke" form cause hes flying around the island to dharmaville to talk to sawyer.
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He cant be any human form, but he can go "Up in smoke" anytime he wants. Ok. I'm dumb. I shouldve seen that, but like I mentioned, im beat. Peace mofos!
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So since MIB was friends with Claire would it be safe to assume that MIB had also been Danielle's friend? If so maybe MIB was the one who told Danielle to kidnap Aaron? Not sure why or even if that makes sence, but maybe.
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It's a cast interview from January, but I hadn't seen it before. If you already have it posted somewhere on the site, feel free to ditch it....but it's pretty good.
Jorge talkin about workin with Watros again...and closure....sounds good to me! Holloway is pretty funny talkin about shooting the time travel scenes, too.
http://lostroom23.blogspot.com
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Feb 25, 2010 6:37:00 PM CST
I'm warming up to the "sideways is actually forwards" theory.
by royston lodge
After listening/watching the most recent podcasts, I'm warming up to the theory that the flash-sideways are actually flash-forwards.
1) Darlton says on more than one occasion that the flash-sideways are NOT an "alternate" timeline.
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Matthew Fox essentially played the same character on Party of Five. Always acted like he was about to break into a migraine. And you kept thinking he was going to pull it together and be a leader or something. Then the series ended and you realize that he was just a sourpuss the whole time
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big drag.
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but it makes perfect sense now that you've said it. in fact it just jumped up to # 1 on my list of plausibles.
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why the others are integrated into the timeline's "real world". and why things seem out of place and out of sync...
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He looked so drained of energy.
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Only problem is How can Peggy Bundy be still alive when Abaddon took Locke to her grave stone? I guess that could have been another Widmore cover up, but then why would Rose not recognize Locke at the Temp agency?
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I couldn't agree more, re: needing to have a reference to seasons 1 and/or 2. However, I'm afraid that we may have to take what we can get. Smokey was implied, but wasn't even a real character in season 1 or 2. Oh I get it, whoever is Smokey and whoever is Jacob, those Lostie characters need to have said stuff in the early seasons that we can catch on a re-watch. Only time will tell. Still, there's a monster in the jungle, going around messing stuff up. There's a southern dude walking around camp (in season 1), kicking stuff around and being pissed and messing stuff up. Of course, I'm just grabbing at straws. But who is the boy in the jungle (if not little Sawyer), and why can only Sawyer and Smokey see him?
Also, Sawyer has multiple times killed men he shouldn't have. He killed the dude in Australia, who turned out to be not who he thought. Then he killed Locke's daddy, which he shouldn't have done (only because he should've let that go by that point in his life). Then as Smokey, he pulls a long con and has Ben kill Jacob.
I don't really know who Jacob is, but I could see Josh Holloway reading Smokey's lines this season. It's like Sawyer dialogue being read by Locke. "It's just a damn island." Sounds like something Sawyer would say. -
How do you fit Juliet's "it worked" into that theory?
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Did Richard even look at the boy? I thought the boy was behind Richard. As far as I know, the only two people to look at the boy (Sawyer and UnLocke) saw him.
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i have a friend who is a caterer in vancouver for supernatural,he says that dennis franz was on set..huh? i wonder if they found their "god" that would be prety cool,have'nt seen him in years
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Okay so, amid speculation that there are TWO smoke monsters....have we ever seen any indication of this?
Or are we inventing unseen characters now?
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Bear with me for a second here. My girlfriend just finished S3 tonight, trying to get caught up. I'm quite enjoying rewatching things at this point, because knowing about jacob and MiB changes your perspective on almost everything you see. So...here goes. Ben takes Locke to the cabin to see "Jacob" (which was probably MiB I think we all agree), Ben is shocked when things actually happen (he was lying), and is so upset, he takes Locke out in the jungle, shoots him and leaves him to die. Locke wakes up, his legs don't work again, he grabs a pistol form a dead body, and is about to kill himself when...Walt shows up. "Bigger" Walt. And he gives the old Christian Shepard "first thing in lost if you count the mobisodes) you "have work to do" Who the fuck was that? Walt isn't on the island, AND he isn't dead. So, it can't be MiB...right? Or is it him, and that changes our ideas on who and what he is allowed to make himself look like? I really hope some of the visions/ghosties turn out to be some explanation of an actual manifestation of the island itself, not jacob or mib, but the force of the place itself. Because if not...I can't picture half of those visions making much sense. Walt showing up is one of the absolutely last people that MiB should be able to make himself look like. Did Walt use his "superpowers" (he did hack into a computer with his mind) and make himself appear there? If so, how did he know when to do it and what to say? Walt will never make sense unfortunately, I fear. Just saying, thats gotta be one of the most puzzling appearances of a person ever, because he isn't dead at all.
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Who can only appear as living people. It would make sense if they end up revealing another monster...but I don't buy that theory personally. There has never been any indication of another monster, imo. Jacob doesn't seem like the monster type, imo.
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on MANY occasions. :o(
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if so IM SO THERE with you buddy...and here's to the series going down in a heap of flames!!!! LOL its free beer C'MON.....
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locke told eko he saw a bright light, not black dmoke. i still think thst was jacob reaching out to john
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Come on Harry, eulogize Boner and make the whole story all about you.
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upon re-reading my post and realizing my point was not made:What you see is what you get, his character (Charlie?) on Party of Five was acted in exactly the same manner as Jack Shepard. Which is :unpleasant and pissy
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mrs. klugh the black other who dies in season 3 asks michael if walt ever appeared anywhere he wasn;t suppose to be. its very possible taller walt was indeed walt. like when he appeared to shannon and sayid. It was the others pretending to be walt on the computer. Think about the Nikki and Paolo episode. Ben told Juliet in the pearl they would use Michael.
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I think we have at least one more spin of the Donkey Wheel before it's all over folks
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The sad thing is, you folks would have loved it if I was right. but I'm not.But when I looked it up I did find a bit of information a few people on here have asked about. (Don't ask me who, it's a long talkback now, as are they all.)The information: some people wondered if there were two Dawsons on the list - Michael and Walt. Though it was correctly mentioned already that Walt's last name isn't Dawson. It's Lloyd; his mother was Susan Lloyd.But the reason I looked him up was to get slid confirmation that his full first name was Walter. Which, unfortunately, it is.Because, y'know, I was hoping that maybe Walt was short for Wallace. 108. That would have been cool. Not to be, though. Oh well, I tried.
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loved the Goodies
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had to have been the real Walt but he was alone and "should not have been there." Guess we will never know.
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Like that idea too.
By the end of the season we will find that the surviving Losties (Jack, Kate, Hurley etc) will have a choice to make, a choice that they made at the end of Season 5, but were not successful. They will choose to destroy the island and in doing so will wipe all influence the island has ever had on the world not just going forward but rewriting history, it will be like this world, this universes, this history,this time, will cease to exist and be reincarnated.
In the process of this destruction however, Jack, Kate etc and the island itself won't be reincarnated, they will be transported to this new reality. The losties will be special in that they and they alone will retain some knowledge of the previous world. This knowledge is of course buried deep in their minds, but its there. The island (VALIS) is of course "dead" and on the bottom of the ocean
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maybe its the turn of the donkey well, that transports them into the new reality and the island into the bottom of the ocean.
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I believe Darlton went on record to confirm that it was Walt typing to Michael on the computer. NOT Others pretending to be him.
My thing with Miss Klugh...is that she appeared to have some vested knowlege in 'the rules' about dealing with the Losties...the 'free will pushing' that has been demonstrated over and over again.
Michael asked her point blank in '3 Minutes'..."Why the hell don't YOU go rescue him (Henry Gale/Ben) out of the Swan Hatch yourselves?"...and Miss Klugh responded "We can't DO that, Michael". When...certainly they COULD have stormed that hatch at any time and rescued Ben....Not like there was ever any tight security in there...Hell, Libby just wandered right in looking for a blanket when she got capped. Eko also just wandered in there once, too.
Why did Miss Klugh push Michael to rescue Ben...then mislead Jack, Kate, Sawyer & Hurley (and ONLY them) back to get captured at the Pala Ferry dock? Why bring Hurley in the first place, when the plan was to just release him back to his people anyways?
In hindsight we now know they were told to bring those four by Jacob and his mysterious 'list'...and that they were all top 'Candidates'.
But Jacob didn't do much with them, did he? He merely dumped them in Ben's lap...for Ben to throw them in bear cages and taunt them? I dunno...but Miss Klugh was the only 'Other' to demonstrate some understanding of Jacob's "rules"....so...Michael had to WANT to free Ben...in order to get his son back and be taken away from the island. Not unlike using Hurley to convince Jack he needed to see what was in the Lighthouse.
Did Michael fall out of favor with Jacob (as a candidate) when he murdered Ana & accidentally shot Libby to get his son back?
Still scratchin my head over all that.
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Seriously, watching her try to act is like hearing fingernails down a chalkboard.
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It doesn't make sense because Cuse/Lindelof made shit up because it seemed like a good idea at the time.
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A couple of seasons ago I thought Jacob was just a tool invented by Ben or one of the earlier island leaders to give the leader authority, but now we know he's real. But do we know that the Others have really gotten all their orders from him? Way back when the Black Rock came, he hung out in the statue, but Ben took Locke to look for him in the cabin MIB used at some point. Given how laid back Jacob seems to be, and the horrible shit the Others have been known for throughout the series, does anyone think lots of their actions have been based on MIB's trickery and not "Jacob's will"? If they have been getting orders from Jacob all along, then he's kind of a douchebag and MIB may be the way to go. I feel like in the end, neither one of them are going to be totally likeable or evil. I still haven't forgotten my years of hatred for the Others just because they're supposed to be the good guys now.
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My feeling is that the relationship between Jacob and The Others has been fairly non-existent, especially since Ben took over leadership. We know it was Ben who wanted Jack, Kate, Sawyer and Hurley abducted so that he could con Jack into performing surgery on his tumour. In fact, in season 3 we are told by Pickett that Sawyer "isn't on Jacobs list." So whatever list they had did not have anything to do with "The Candidates" as we know them now.
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I believe that once Ben outsted Widmore as leader of the Others, whatever relationship Jacob may have had with them came to an abrubt end. We know that Ben never talked to Jacob, never even saw him in fact. What he did do was use the name of Jacob in order to influence The Others into accepting his decisions. What I don't get is why Richard went along with it all, why did he get involved with recruiting Juliette to come to island when he felt the fertility issue was "trivial." I'm thinking maybe it had been awhile since Richard spoke with Jacob too.
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Well we do know that Ben never saw Jacob, probably not Widmore or Eloise ether. Richard has always been the go between with Jacob and any leader. So I would guess that Jacob did really send messages from time to time through Richard. But I would also guess that Ben found ways to twist messages to his advantage. Like how Richard told Locke that some of the Others felt that Ben was taking the Others in a wrong direction with the infertility stuff. It was probably Richard that was objecting because that wasn't quite what Jacob had said, but its not his place to challange a leader?
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Jacob and Santa both make lists.Santa knows if you're naughty or nice; one of the Others identified one of the lists as a list of who's good or bad.Both can watch people from afar.Santa is known for gift giving: Jacob gave Ford a pen, Jack a candy bar, Hugo a guitar case with a prop ankh containing a note.Santa has elves, Jacob has Others.Both Jacob and Santa live in isolated, hard to get to locations.Santa has the North Pole, Jacob has a Lighthouse.Santa can enter homes by traveling down sooty chimneys too narrow to fit any human being, let along an obese one. Jacob's Nemesis travels through caverns in the form of black smoke.Department store Santas are often explained to children as "Santa's helpers", Jacob's cabin was occupied by someone posing as Jacob?Santa travels through the air in a magick sleigh pulled by EIGHT reindeer; the Losties flew through the air to the island aboard flight EIGHT-fifteen. Eh?Santa: long white hair and long beard; Jacob: pale whitish blonde hair and is scruffy and unshaven.Jacob dresses in all white, Santa in all red.the name Santa has five letters and two vowels (and the name Claus has five letters and two vowels); the name Jacob has five letters and two vowels... and no one knows if it's his first name or his last name!Santa Claus has a toy shop where elves manufacture toys for good little boys and girls; Jacob has pockets of weird electromagnetic energy of unknowable power capable of changing lives when released.Jacob touches people; Santa lets them sit on his lap.Santa Claus does not exist; Jacob is a fictional character.And finally: POLAR BEARS! Huh? Huh!?!
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Lostpedia's entry on 'Wallace' is inaccurate...Scottish in origin meaning 'Welsh'
Wallace is derived from Norman - old French, 'le waleis' meaning 'foreigner' or 'stranger' it was applied to the Natives in geographic Wales.
So to return to the first question asked in the subject line..What we are talking about here is. In effect.
'A Stranger in a Strange Land'
Now whether that alludes to Heinlein and Valentine Smith and grok'n in the Church of the All Worlds or,
Cheif Brody's favorite LOST episode 3.9 ..I just don't know. I think the latter.
Everyone forgets that most of the upper muckey mucks in England are of continental origin, which is to say, French, which is to say Norman, which is to say raping murderous pagan barbarian vikings whose greatest skill was adaptability. Which is just to say ..to kill time.
I am actually hoping 'Wallace' turns out to be Rasheed Wallace.. but we all know what happens to brothers on the Island. So, coupeled with Jacob's declartion that "I guess they'll find a another way to get here" ..I am left featuring that 'Wallace' refers to one of the Stock Car racin Wallaces. Probably Kenny.. cause he is an average driver at best, has sponsorship issues, and just how fun would it be if Hurley got to say to Non-John.."Oh my God, you killed Kenny! You Bastard!"
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On the lighthouse mechanism. I was wrong, no name was erased. But you could see Jack's name had been traced over with a blacker pen. But his name had been written there before. Someone felt the need to highlight or emphasize his name, however. The same thing was done with Jarrah's name.
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thought it was Ok. kate's going to die. and somehow I feel sawyer will be involved somehow. He said to Hurley that he was broken when he came back to the island. We know its a three year absence. He will still have to face his old man. Christian said to john Locke "say hello to my son for me". I still think kate is going to die. Jack should not have left the temple. looking at the scene where claire killed the guy with the axe after being told being told kate had aaron for three years. makes me think claire and her axe are headed kates way. badlocke has sawyer under his thumb. sawyer wants jack dead. therefore the bodies in the cave are jack and kate. Hurley last night wondered if they had gone back in time and what if they were the bodies in the cave. i wonder.
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I still think the bodies in the cave are Bernard and Rose. They were in the 70's too, but when are Losties got blasted back to 2007, B&R are nowhere to be found. Darlton will pull them out toward the end of the show, and have Miles "read" the bodies, and reveal that it is indeed Bernard and Rose. During the blast, they were sent back to some olden times of yore instead of 2007 (maybe because they were far away on the island, and all the Losties were right near the blast center). Whoever Smokie turns out to be in the end, will have left Bernard and Rose alone (and not hurt them), because really, who would want to hurt B&R? Even Sawyer or Widmore would just leave them be. I mean, c'mon, it's Bernard and Rose. They just wanted to live out their lives in peace and chill.
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Those bodies are about 1000 years older than the 1970s would allow.
Hurley outright making fun of our theory, in an episode that Darlton personally wrote, is basically confirmation to me that our theory about time traveling and dying in the past is incorrect. They woulnd't wink at us like that for no reason. -
I get your point, and actually, I guess I do agree with you. I just don't want to agree. If that makes sense. The bodies can't be 1,000 years old, the skeletons would be dust. However, we all agree that the bodies are really old, in any case.
The Hugo scene was atrocious. He should have just actually looked at the camera and said, "Hey, remember these guys?" But that's basically what happened anyway. That was a wince-fest. I get your point about making fun or poking at the theory-makers. I still take that scene as a big HEY REMEMBER THIS foreshadowing moment. If they are going to bring out the skeletons near the end, for whatever purpose, they probably feel that they need to remind most viewers about the bodies. Yeah, we all remember it, but casual viewers wouldn't get the reference if they just pulled it out at the second to last episode of the whole show.
Also, Darlton went on record as stating that the skeletons will be important to the mythology. They said something like, this is something that people will point to in the end, that will show that we weren't making it all up as we went along.
So I get how Hurley debunked all the theories by winking at the audience, but there must be some significance to the bodies, and they have to be somebody. And it's still true that B&R didn't travel back to 2007 with everybody else (at least as far as we know). Why show a scene with B&R in 1977 at all if they won't be shown again for the rest of the show anyway? (Maybe just to remind us of them, and show that they are OK, and the whole theme of "just leave things alone, accept things as they are and you will be better off".) -
If you keep watching, something will happen to somebody at some point, and the thing with the stuff will turn out to be somebody, who did the thing that time.
A fitting spin-off show for ABC would be a show with only answers, and the answers need to be questioned. The whole show has ONLY reveals, until the very end which would have all the foreshadowing. (I know that doesn't make any sense.) Yuck yuck. -
Thats a good fuckin point.
Walt isnt dead. Walt was in NYC.
However, it's odd that Locke (Bentham) didnt mention anything to Walt when they met in season 5.
D&C said at comic con, Jacob hasnt appeared to any of the LOSTies on the Island, but maybe he hasnt appeared AS Jacob.
The only other explanation is that it actually WAS Walt and hopefully, we'll get more on that. Shit, I shoudl go and watch season 3. Fuck it. I haven't really explored that season like I have the other ones.
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Jacob went up in smoke like nothing. No bones. If Jack becomes Jacob, would the same happen to him?
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Jacob already brought him to the Celtics. Didnt do any good last night vs the Cavs tho dammnit.
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Knowing what we know now...its all brutally puzzling. Knowing that Ben is full of shit the entire season, thats hes never met or spoken to jacob...it changes so much. Another really interesting thing is that Ben invokes the name of Jacob TO Richard of all people as justification for doing something. Which, and I don't fault them for it, makes zero sense. We now know Richard is the liason between Jacob and the leader of the others...so how would Richard be able to be played by Ben like everyone else? In the S3 finale, Ben tells Richard that hes doing what he is doing because "Jacob told me to, its what he wants" etc etc. Now we know Ben was using his power as leader to bullshit all of his people, but how can he bullshit Richard? Richard knows Jacob, Ben doesn't. Did Richard know he was lying? (I think so, even though there is no indication of it.)
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Lotsa puzzlin stuff there. But I can't WAIT for Michael Emerson steps back out from the shadows he's been hiding in all this season....puts on his 'big boy' pants again...and REALLY starts going to town fuckin with people's minds again.
I think Darlton has purposely been hiding Ben in the background....making him appear weak, lost & timid on PURPOSE...all the more to make his kick ass return as 'master manipulator' that much more gratifying.
I think it will begin next episode when timid, shaking bunny Richard Alpert makes it back to the Temple with a dump in his shorts over UnLocke heading their way.
I dunno...I think Ben has a plan...and he's biding his time to hatch it. I hope his plan involves flipping the script and actually joining forces with Jack & Co....instead of manipulating THEM all over again.
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I posted this in another TB, but I also sent it to Damon & Carlton on the ABC podcast questions email:
"I just so wanted Locke to belong, ya know? To the Others. It seemed like he finally found his home but with the time jumps he got gypped. Locke seemed to LOVE the Island and everything it was about way more than Ben ever could have. Ben seemed to make the Island do for him, not what the Island could BE for everyone on it."
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...refer to Christian? Maybe the family's cursed?
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He's been on the low, but seeing that glimpse last season when he manipulated Ceasar, was great. And then BLAM. He shot the fucker.
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I def think THAT Ben will be back. I think eventually, he will be like "Fuck it...I don't care who these fuckers think they are...This is MY goddamn island! And I'm takin it BACK!".
Ever since UnLocke told him HE was gonna kill Jacob...(using his loophole)...Ben has been nothing but a helpless, confused puppet.
But...lets not forget....he was dipped in that Temple spring water as a child, too. Richard & the "hostiles" knew, by saving his life, he 'would never be the same again'...and clearly they knew the darkness inside him would eventually rise, and they could count on him as an ally in killing off the Dharmites once & for all. All they had to do is release him back to his shitty father...and let the 'daddy issues' do the rest.
There's no way Darlton plans on letting Michael Fuckin Emerson sit in the back seat as a quiet observer this entire season. I can't wait to see him back in 'bad ass' mode.
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"Dick & The Hostiles"
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What if Richard knew Ben was lying about talking to Jacob, knew that he was using Jacob's name in vain, so to speak, but when Richard confronted Jacob with this he was told to let it pass and let Ben be? It seems richard knows quite a lot, but is still pretty powerless and at the mercy of Jacob's whim. And it seemed MiB hit a nerve when he asked if Richard just followed Jacob's orders blindly, without ever being told why he was doing what he did.
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The Other's from Season 1, 2, 3 and 4 seemed like the group that knew what they were doing. They had all the answers, taking orders from Jacob's cabin.
But in the end, it looks like the Others and Richard Alpert had no real clue what was going on, just like the 815'ers.
Sure it seemed like the Others and the temple people are two seperate people. The others mass murdered everyone at Dharma because they didn't follow the rules. But they are following Jacob's orders as per Ben's reasoning.
I don't think Jacob is good, neither is Jacob, they have been corrupted. If Jacob is supposed to be oh so good, then why have the Other's murder everyone in Dharmaville.
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I think it's pretty obvious by now that Ben was following Man in Black/Smokey while claiming to follow Jacob.
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I think God has lost faith in Human's, Jacob and MIB are Angels. The MIB believes Human's will always be this way and would rather God's wrath to end it all.
Jacob, believes Humans can change. A keeps playing the game over and over, because he knows that if the MIB is right, all of Mankind will die in God's wrath.
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... yea i said it... but not in the way you think... it sucks cuz it raised the bar for quality... after this season we will be cast into tv hell... there is many mythology shows out there but theyre one trick ponies... lost has it all except intense sex scenes like niptuck or bsg... my question for lost fans... "is it better to love and LOST, instead of never lovin at all?"
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I posted before, both Jacob and MIB manipulate people. Jacob could leave the Island, but MIB could not for some reason. He did mention he's trapped.
So, even tho we have polite Jacob who doesnt necessarily give answers, he's just as manipulative as MIB.
its just the way the directors/writers are portraying him to us. But, who knows. We'll see next week whats up at the Temple huh? -
Feb 26, 2010 11:21:04 AM CST
Guys, I think this "Candidate" business has confused a lot of yo
by d.vader
1. The Others DON'T know of the Candidates. Evidence: Richard Alpert had no idea of what Smokey was talking about when Flocke said Locke was a candidate. 2. BEN made the list of Hurley, Kate, Sawyer, and Jack to be brought to The Others. NOT Jacob, NOT Richard. It was Ben in order to more easily manipulate Jack into performing surgery. EVIDENCE: Ben admitted it, and Pickett said "Shepherd wasn't on Jacob's list." 3. Dogen apparently knows what Candidates are, or has at least heard of the term, but he seems to be a different kind of Other, just the Temple master. But he was willing to shoot Hurley and the group when they first arrived. He only stopped after he read the Ankh list, in which maybe Jacob says they are candidates there. But perhaps Dogen doesn't know what a Candidate is, just that they're important to Jacob. Point is, I think there's been a lot of needless looking back to past episodes ("Oh THIS is why the Others didn't kill Jack and etc, or THIS is why Mrs Klugh did this or that...") and you guys are forgetting that for all intents and purposes, the Others do not know what Candidates are. (this is all negated if and only if Richard is lying and pretending not to know what a Candidate is- BUT I seriously doubt it)
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is getting his own episode soon. seasons 4 and five i would argue ben had become the central LOST character. he's going to produce fireworks, don't you worry.
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its a new mystery i dont care bout... i know its important and all but just not invested in... i want des, wid, and ben which are central to lost... and think bout how opposite wid and mib are... one wants to leave, the other actually did a lot... maybe jacob let wid leave so he could make baby penny so des could love so des can become special enough to save the world...
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ben has been manipulated by mib leadin to bad stuff... without wid involved, the "good" will lose ie no faraday comin to the island... wid helped locke when he got off the island (if ben didnt intervene there would be no unlocke)... wid is bad but a pawn for good
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a show that could of went somewhere was daybreak... groundhogs day meets lost... too bad it was starrin a black guy cuz if not, it would have done better sadly...
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On darkufo someone translated what Dogan said to Hugo, he said "if you weren't a canadate, I would cut your head off".
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i agree, hes a bad good guy... i do think he is a "god" just because he has droopy dog eyes and dog backwards is? also, i doubt he will be evil since hes the morningstar on a herc hated show... i just hope ben rekills him
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He has droopy eyes that remind you a dog, and dog backwards is god? Thats a joke right?
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...that and all the religious stuff happenin, people worshippin him, and cuz he does stuff normal people cant... so, im an idiot right crow?
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I think hes a god of some kind too, but not because his eyes droop. And besdies, its not like thats the dumbest theory any one has ever posted on here. I just wanted to know if it was a joke. You're not an idiot.
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only the sith lord has tried to refute it by mentioning Bram... but we know jacob is manipulative also so he couldve manipulated Bram... and remember Wid actually PROTECTED the island by fakin plane crash... what true evil has he committed? he has been followin Jacob (intentionally or subconsciously) since the 70s or whatever (which explains his transformation from henchman like to bein a powerful leader/ceo)
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i liked both TF films, i think its bad to rape kids then continue to make movies without goin to jail (per vshaels reasonin), and because i do think droopy eyes makes you a deity... so yes crow, i am (but im still smarter than the aver-age bear)
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So... does that make him good, StepDADDY? I also think he faked the crash so no one else would accidentally find it, because he wants it for himself. He could, in the end, be good, if only Jacob ends up being bad... but I can't reconcile the Mercs plan to kill everyone.
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The only possibility I see for the mercs plan to kill everyone making sense would be this. Widmore got kicked off the island for having an off-island affair, resulting in penny. Ben USED this info to get the others to banish him. I don't think it was like a hard and fast rule that he did something wrong and had to be banished. Ben manipulated that into happening. So, if Widmore really is loyal to the island only, he would view everyone who sided with ben as being against the island, thus they all need to die so he can put the island back on "the right path", whatever he sees that as. As to why he wanted to kill the 815'ers I have no idea. That aspect leads to me believe he also had no real knowledge of Jacob or the ultimate purpose of the island. BUT, I also think it could go the other way, and he was a true "leader" of the others, and had knowledge of Jacob and was favored, and ben (not born on the island, liar, manipulator) basically appointed himself leader through subterfuge, and fell out of favor with the island, resulting in his cancer, lack of knowledge about jacob, etc. Just spitballin. Who the fuck knows really.
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Makes me suspect he was NOT the true "leader" of The Others, and was probably Richard's first inkling that this guy wasn't right for the job. He said things like "The ISLAND wants her dead, not me!" and Ben called Bullshit on that. I believe Richard agreed and that started the movement to oust Widmore. But the same thing happened to Ben, he started acting selfishly and said "The Island wants me to!" or "Jacob wants me to!" Widmore may have been the leader for a time, but his selfishness (kill everyone who isn't us, go off-Island and have an affair and become a billionaire, etc) is what got him booted. He is no longer a Chosen One in the Island's eyes, in my opinion. And the mercs would be killing every Other on the Island- his own people. I don't see that as a good thing.
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but Lockes orders were to die essentially, and that led to MIB takin over... i never meant wid is good just that he is a pawn for good... just like locke is "good" but used for evil... he could want the island for himself, but that doesnt mean he hasnt been been manipulated to think that... ben kicked him off the island and in theory, ben has been manipulated by mib all along, meanin theoretically mib knew wid was important enough to send away... my wid theory only works tho if mib is evil and jacob is good and mikes ghost visions were white smokie/jacob
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"That Island is MINE...it will be again.." - Charles Widmore.
That doesn't sound especially altruistic. Sounds kind of petty and selfish; not protective..
Further, Widmore provided Keamy's Rendition Team with a 'Secondary Protocol' ..which although non-specific in execution, entailed 'Torching the Island'. Also, doesn't appear to be very protective, more like, if I can't have it ...no one will. -
Im a lost fan who thinks it wasnt all planned... i sense many plot holes revolvin the Others, preisland crash, and dharma... so, danielle needin to die makes no sense (now) and all of precrash Richard seems contradictory (due to of course the time travellin)... PLUS theOthers could be bad and the templars could be good... that time travel stuff makes this show more confusin than needed
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just cause Wid is selfish, doesnt mean he is bein played... i cant quote Locke but he is EVIDENCE of wantin somethin, only to be shafted by the "island"... you guys can admit that right? his fate was to become mib or whatever, just like Wids fate could be to help the island
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my theory only works if Jacob is really good (and if he is good, he still a douchebag ahole)
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Not until the last season when he started manipulating Locke too, I mean. Ben obviously never talked to Jacob and never thought he was talking to Jacob. But for some reason he knew Jacob lived in that shack (which turned out to be false... possibly). Either way, I don't think Ben has always been manipulated by MiB. Not until Season 4 did that start.
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more likely than not, there is no Sawyer in lax, just James (if locke is cool wit pops, then he most likely isnt a conman)...
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"just cause Wid is selfish, doesnt mean he is bein played" I just don't see him being played is all.
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cuz technically MIB manipulated Rich (durin lockes time travellin) into thinkin locke is important... wit Rich knowin of lockes existence (which locke was born before Ben), everythin afterwards involvin the island was apart of MIBs plan (also Jacobs plans since he visited many "pawns" early in their lives)... and memory is fuzzy but Ben couldve known of locke specialness also (thru Rich)
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But I don't think Richard would have told Ben "By the way, we're looking at this other guy to be Leader soon..." I think that was more of a subtle thing that Ben became aware of with his treatment by the Island and Locke's appearance. I see what you're saying, I still just don't agree with it. MiB's manipulation of Richard through Locke is also a bit of a paradox (and discussing it will make me go cross-eyed), but remember it was the REAL Locke who disappeared before Richard's eyes, gave him the info on his birth, and claimed to be the Others new Leader.
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While I actually do feel kind of bad about the news, this site has always been a bastion for inappropriate eulogies. Come on Herc, I know you're trying to be sensitive, but his name is Boner for crying out loud.
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Only reason Alpert thought Locke was special was bc of what I said above- Locke's disappearance, his claim to be from the future, his birth, etc. So far, MiB isn't in the picture, aside from the fact that perhaps it was him who told Locke to move the Island, instigating the time travel (which begs the question, did MiB know that would happen? ). So later, Locke lands on the Island in a wheelchair but can suddenly walk. The Others know this bc Mikhail knows Locke's backstory. To the Others, this is a miracle. To Richard, this is a sign of specialness. Still, MiB has nothing to do with it. So Locke being told he's special and seemingly being groomed to be the new Island leader is still without Smokey's involvement, imo. Its only once Ben screwed things up with the Time Travel does MiB get involved (in getting Locke to leave the Island and by telling Richard to tell Locke he has to die- there's the paradox). But I don't think that means he was influencing Richard all this time. I think things just sorta fell into his lap.
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I JUST NEED WIDDY BACK! without him, many storylines are pointless and honestly, it will ruin my love for the show (unless some super crazy shit happens that justifies everythin involvin Wid)... cuz really, some people couldve escaped in that imploded sub (remember that argument?) they couldve been the o6 (or however many) then they couldve came back to the island to timetravel, work for dharma, hbomb it, etc...
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theres too many paradoxes and contradictions goin on... just wit smokie itself (not includin MIB as smokie)... but without Widdy bein involved there would been no crash at all imo, and only Jacob/MIB couldve manipulated that from happenin (tho i think Jacob has more reasons to manipulate Wid than MIB)
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But I can't help feeling that scene at the hospital was an ending for Penny, Des, Widmore, and Eloise. Just as Walt's scene with Locke in NYC was a farewell to that character too.
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He was on the plane, very mysteriously. That's not a goodbye to the character. All of those people will be back, because Darlton has to know what a failure the show will be without them. Widmore has to come back or LOST fails, imo. And I'm the die hard of the die hardest fan. It's just the truth. They haven't even explained the rules or whatever yet.
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I'm pretty sure their Rules were "You can't kill an Other". That seems to fits Ben's reaction to Alex's death ("He broke the rules") more than any other explanation I can think of (without getting way too convoluted).
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exactly, without Widdy show fails... just got done readin his bio on lostpedia and i feel my theory holds up even truer... he seemed sadish bout Daniels fate on the island... he starts to have nightmares (evil people have nightmares?)...
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Widdy is the shows big bad in commentary which means the writers are makin it up as it goes (seein as Widdy is not that relevant now and that MIB took over), or he will be more prominent in future eps (which ONLY SORTA debunks my theory).... but yea im sensin its all bein made up as it goes (hmmm, they just did reshoots and rewrites) and that im investin too much time/energy/thougts into this... just give us 2 smokies and Widdy and mostly everything will make sense
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who made the rules? Jacob or somebody higher? why was Ben able to kill Locke? why would A lexs death matter (shes not a real other, technically)? why cant Ben kill Widdy but can kill locke? Wid is banished, why would he still follow rules? are 815ers bad cuz they have killed others?
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When they're keeping Smokie/MiB a secret? Saying Widdy is the Big Bad does not mean the writers are making it up as they go along. Just means "For now, he's the big bad. There is another Big Bad but we don't wanna tell you that and take the focus off the current story." MiB was a total surprise and I'm glad for it.
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Like Charlie off the island, etc. What makes him so special? Miles talking to dead people seems to deserve less explanation because it seems he was born with it, views it as a burden, and used it to make money, etc. Hes very aware of it. hurley just suddenly began seeing dead people one day. How come?
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Is Darlton's post-mortem after the finale airs. I don't care if its the day after or a decade after, sooner or later they are going to have to open a forum for people to ask questions, and to answer them entirely honestly. I just want to hear them say outright that at least one thing that we bring up as confusing to be answered with "yeah, that never really made sense, and thats how it is" you know? I can't wait for them to ave the ability to be honest with us. After that, I'll be able to completely decide if lost succeeds or fails. They need to come forward and explain everything after it ends.
The show will be near ruined if it ends, things still don't add up, and thye come out and say "that's the show, figure it out for yourselves because we're done." I think someone out there would murder them for that. -
Was he really working for widdy? What was his deal? Why did he know everything? Talk about being killed too soon for no reason
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So Im guessing that just like Dogen's order to kill unclean Sayid and Claire Widmore had the same tests done on Danielle and ordered Ben and Ethan to go out and kill her.
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Ilana hinted that he may or may not be one. Anyone remember if he was on the cave wall or Lighthouse dial?
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"After that, I'll be able to completely decide if lost succeeds or fails. " It'll take Darlton telling you what was weird, what was planned, what wasn't, etc for you to determine if LOST succeeds or fails? Enjoying the show while it was on isn't a good enough reason to make that determination yourself?
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I'm pretty sure Widmore just saw any intruder on "his" Island as needing to die.
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to purge any that are infected, just like Dogen wanted Sayid dead and I would asume Claire dead.
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Feb 26, 2010 4:01:00 PM CST
I don't think they need to see one as "infected" to kill them
by d.vader
The Others have a habit of killing intruders on their Island. I don't think they need to be "infected" in order to determine "DEATH!" to the "infidels". Let's look at it case by case: The Army. Richard says they gave them the chance to leave "their" Island. The Army refused. The Leader told Richard to kill them. Was Widmore the leader? Jacob? Someone else? Either way, ARMY DEAD. And Army isn't infected. DHARMA- Chances are the same thing happened: chance to leave, DHARMA refuses. Only this time, DHARMA *completely* outnumbers the Others and have more weapons. The Others decide to share, declare a truce. Eventually, some shit goes down and Widmore decides "THEY ALL GOTTA DIE!" But none of them were infected (or tested). Rousseau lands just before the DHARMA Purge. Widmore was probably already bloodlusty crazy and decided she had to die bc she was "crazy" and a risk. I don't think Widmore needed to think someone was infected in order to kill, as evidenced by his willingness to snap the neck of his fellow Other. The man just didn't care about others lives.
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maybe they're the parents of jacob or MIB? MIB said he was a man once so its possible that jacob was mortal too. maybe parents to both? u did have the black and white stones with them. they both seem to roughly the same age ( jacob and mib )--- maybe they both got "turned" into what they currently are at the same time? then started their "protecting/trying to leave" the island game? maybe MIB or jacob killed his/their parents and THAT stared the rules. their was a blonde kid with blood on his hands that sawyer saw. looked like he had some old looking clothes on....just spitballing since everyone else is lol.
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its seems someone made sure that those chosen for the freighter was chosen... why would Wid use them? cuz Jacob told him too...
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about things such as no timetravel, then i dont really think LOST ends this seaon... so ill stop complainin bout stuff, cuz it will be answered next season...
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sent Locke on his walkabout (i think) which leads locke to the island... locke got to the island after Wid sorta sent Des there... Abaddon worked for Widdy... hmmmmmmmm....
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that dont completely dovetail. I can handle the island at the bottom of the ocean in the LA X timeline, but having the island sink in both (as one) would be a sad ending for me.
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Vincent dyin... Sawyer, Ben, and Des are my faves, but Vdog dyin would kill me...
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Was that his skull as Claire's Aaron baby-proxy? Freaking creepy either way. Especially its button eyes.
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Anyone notice that Jack is using an older version motorola. just thought that was cool.
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When they are in his Father's study Mama Shephard is lookin for the will. She is shuffling through some Manilla folders and makes a point twice to hold one up that has what appears to be Arabic and Hebrew script on the tab.
Can't clearly read it but seems to be:شرﺏ ער
There is a symbol between the two I can't make out appears to be an 'F' or a crux.
I translate it as "Evil B Awake"
Of note, on the shelf behind here is the book "The Codebreakers".
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Why wouldn't Rose & Bernie leap to 2007 like the other Losties? I know we haven't seen them on-island yet in Season 6, but I don't see whyt hey would be "stuck" in 1977. That being the case, doesn't the introduction of all these Temple Others mean they were also leaping around in time before Locke fixed the Donkey Wheel? I don't know why, but that has really been nagging at me.
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Suprised no one mentioned this, but since Dogen is in Jack's flash sideways then doesn't that mean he can't be very old? That nixes my original assumption when he was introduced that he must have come on the Black Rock.
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I'm down with your theory. I read something similar on the Back To The Island blog a few weeks ago and it totally makes sense to me. The off-Island flashes we've been seeing are really the future of the on-Island events where somewhow the Losties have been able to reset things and the Island has sunk and the plane never crashes. Couldn't be too far back in time b/c we know Dharma was on the Island before it sunk. Juliet said it herself (to Miles): It worked. I think we've already seen the evidence that "it worked" in the off-Island flashes.
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continuing on Royston's theory... Darlton have said that satisfactorily resolving the main character's story arcs is paramount to answering all the mysteries Lost has introduced. But, they only have one (short) season left to do it all. By concurrently showing the events immediately after "The Incident" as well as the off-Island flashes (which I contend are the future of the events immediately after "The Incident"), Darlton is killing two birds with one stone: they're answering questions, but they're also maximizing the weekly hourly installments they have left to show us hwo things end up for the Losties AND give us time to see how they get there. Ultimately, it seems one of the big things for Lost is showing how people can learn from the past and make different decisions to change their lives for the better. Based on where Season 6 is picking up for the cast, that's not somethign you can just rush into during the last few hours of a series. How unsatiating wold it be to suddenly see the Losties get off-Island and into "happy" lives in the last hour or two of the whole show? It'd feel cheap. It'd feel convenient. Remember the first time we got a flashforward and didn't realize it was a flashforward? I think the same method is at play here.
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Darlton also said they wouldn't be flashign through time anymore. And I think they are still true to their word, even though I'm arguing that "off-Island flashes = on-Island "the future" In a stirctly linear since "off-Island flashes = on-Island "the future", but what it really presents is an alternate timeline- one where the events we've seen over the last 5 seasons (at least since sometime after the Dharma Initiative?) never ocurred.
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I just had that same thought this morning. he can't be too old. I think we're getting a Dogen-centric episode with his backstory soon.
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this is the last one for tonight... anyway, was readin lostpedia bout Ellie & Dharma & the variable, and remembered that Eloise was never special, she was just pullin the Back to the future 2 trick wit that journal... thats ok...
cuz of her, Des was always meant to make the plane crash... thats ok...
the 815ers was always gonna timetravel... thats ok...
Faradays plan was to blow jughead (heh heh)... thats not ok... cuz whatever happened SHOULD happen... and the plan didnt "work" yet...
while the jughead story was goin on, Jacob is killed... thats ok...
but NOW as i look at it, Jacob ALWAYS died... all that has happened WILL happen ieMIB always uses that loophole, the chars goin to the temple, tic tac toe, crazy Claire, etc...
whatever happens in the end of reg 07 realty, should always happen, right? what would actually be the turning point? im now thinkin its impossible for the two realities to bleed into each other/merge/lax is the result because EVERYTHIN WILL ALWAYS HAPPEN... there is NO Variable and Des is not important and there is no free will...
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"find a way to put line breaks ass... also Eloise said she wasnt sure of the future".............well sorry bout the line break and Ellie just meant she didnt have a guideline to her life anymore cuz she no longer had the journal...
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I don't care if you put line breaks in , but if you do and want to put in paragraph breaks use "" (no quotation marks) Cheers!
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it should be (but delete the spaces before and afetr the p)
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and sorry if this was already discussed, i just forgot so much involvin Eloise and precrash
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just cant literally... thanks tho
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I don't get it. How did Ben make it off the Island in the flash sideways? He was on the island when the bomb went off, which is when the timelines split. He should still be dark Ben as well as he was healed at the temple after Sayid shot him. Am I missing something?
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Remember all that "bad twin" stuff. I think Ben has a twin.
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mySTEPDADDY will NOT be pleased with LOST's finale.
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I think Emerald Boy up above raised a point that I very much liked.Lost has a tradition of killing male characters by hanging them in trees, smashing them n rocks, tossing them in fores, blowing them up with dynamite, throwing them out windows, beating their skulls with hitting sticks, etc. Female characters - Klugh, Shannon, Alex, AnaLucia, Libby - get shot. Gun goes "pop", girl squeaks and falls down dead, like Carol Cleveland in a Python sketch. Rare exception, Joanna drowns completely off screen.i get the feminist urge to downplay violence against women, sure, it's gallant.But Claire vowed "If I found out Kate took Aaron I'd kill her" and truth is absolute; Kate DID take Aaron.So please Lost, please the Darlton, let Claire go wacky hacky and chop Kate up to bits with an axe. Not just one swing, axe-head embedded in the ribs and down she goes, either, Let her get all Lizzie Borden so we see dismembered hands and feet and samurai blood spurts splashing on the trees.C;mon, Darlton, you're giving answers and tossing out nods, winks and in-jokes for the fans. Well, you have to know there a small but loyal sub-section of Lost fans on the Kill Kate bandwagon. So, please, do this for us and let Claire butcher Kate up into little pieces. Pretty please?
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Locke stumbled over a hatch. A light shone up. A guy in the station below pushed a button. He was the guy responsible for the plane crash, by NOT pushing the button. He came to the island by getting Lost during a boat race held by his girlfriend's father, who did not like him. Also, his consciousness slips back and forth in time. His girlfriend has a listening station. Her father s rich. The father says "the island belongs to me" but can't go there or find it. But he can fake a plane crash so other people won't look for it. And he can send a freighter there with mercenaries with orders to fetch Ben Linus and kill everyone else. And off-island Ben shows up in his bedroom and threatens to kill his daughter.Okay, I admit there are some missing pieces to the Widmore story, but still, THAT's the guy that, if you don't get his story arc explained, will ruin six years of Lost for you? That's a wee bit obsessive.But then, I was overjoyed to see Cindy for a minute and The Children for a couple of seconds of screen time.Now, as long as we find out what happened with Steve and Tracy, I'll be happy.
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she didnt take aaron. claire fucking left him in the jungle u know....
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There's always a best show on TV. Always a show pushing the box outside the envelope and exploring new ground, breaking the rules, resetting the parameters and raising the bar. And some of these remain highwater marks. Every new cop show has to measure up to Hill Street Blues, every new big freakout cult hit has to measure up to The Prisoner or Max Headroom or Twin Peaks. Every new "so weird I can't believe they did that" has to out do Cop Rock. Every new I can't believe they did that on TV, I never thought I's see that" has to measure up to the shock value of the first couple seasons of Simpsons or the gore factor of CSI and Bones.And for years - probably decades - new ensemble SF dramas will have to measure up to Lost.But will that fact ruin TV for you? With a half dozen national broadcast networks (if you count PBS) and a couple hundred niche cable channels all pumping out massive amounts of programming? Do you watch Venture Brothers and think "Oh, well, it has a huge cast of minor characters and an increasingly complex interlocking story, but it's no Lost"? do you watch Breaking Bad and think "Sure, it has amazing writing and a story about tragic, misguided characters locked in an ever downward spiral towards their dooms, but it's not Lost"?I like Fringe, its a cool show where alternate universe Spock doesn;t have a goatee. but they drop a lot of plot threads along the way and, yeah "it's no Lost". But that doesn't spoil it for me and prevent me from enjoying it.Seriously, if there were eight dramas on TV all as complex and involving as Lost, how could you possibly keep all the characters and plotlines straight without filling notebooks with observations?Would you even enoy Lost as much without all those "story so far" magazine articles and thrice yearly recap clip shows and this weekly discussion forum to help explain the complexities and remind you of the minutae involved?If Lost eally did set an all time high water mark for your personal involvement in a TV show and "ruined TV for you" after that... well, there's an awful lot of movies on DVD and more books than you can ever read in your life in the library and more music has been written than you'll ever hear and many communities have these things called comic book shops... Have you seen all of Kubrick and Hitchcock read all of Shakespeare, explored the free MP3 music sharity blogs? Lawdy, we are fortunate enough to live in a society where keeping ourselves entertained is considered an industry.And in case you missed the memo, 3-D TV is right around the corner and up the street a ways.The "next big thing" is something you haven't even dreamed of yet and even if it doesn't grab you and affect you exactly the same way Lost has, it's still going to be HUGE.I wouldn;t worry about Lost "spoiling TV for you". No, I really wouldn't.
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Kate took Aaron on the helicopter. Kate took Aaron home with her. Kate took Aaron to live with her and Jack for a while until they broke up. Kate took Aaron to the Supermarket. Kate took Aaron to the motel to abandon him with Claire's mom after she had her warts removed.
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LOST having an epic FAIL at the end of this season will ruin TV for me for quite a while, I assure you. There will be no 'appointment TV' for me for at least 3 years.
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im going all ToothFairy on u...Claire left him in the jungle understand? u dont leave a baby alone understand? they were saving it by taking it to the freighter understand? jack and company were saving the baby from the widmore's mercenaries understand? the island disappeared ( with claire )so they HAD TO raise aaron understand? and oh...claire left her fucking baby ALONE with miles in the jungle understand? wow...
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SAWYER took Aaron...maybe Claire just popped out for some Huggies and everything the fella had in the cash register.
Maybe SAWYER should have waited for her to come back..Oh yeah, she wasn't too concerned about her youngling, she was a bit busy pervy smilin it up with Ghost Dad in the Spirit Lodge..waitin for Locke (yet another instance of John not doing the right thing for his own benefit)...and not concerned enough to ask after her boy.
Infected or no, this Claire we see now is full on bat shite crazy.
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Hell...Im talkin''bout WIFE SWAPPIN' H I.....
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i'm starting to think jacob was never mortal
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Forgive me if everyone already knows this and I just haven't heard, but for anyone who has comcast cable at least, according to the blurb for this weeks episode (yes I jumped ahead 4 days to read it), Keamy will be guest starring. What in the hell does that imply? I hope some Charles Widmore implications. Should be fun.
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Now that I think about it. Not really so interesting. Another ironic conversation. Still fun though, that guy was great.
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Keep your god-damned hands off my wife!
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Nice one, Jay. I'm watching 'Raising Arizona' this weekend....been a while. Has lotsa LOST parralells, no?
Seeds that can find no 'purchase'.
Con jobs.
Missin babies.
Evil corporate villain.
Daddy issues.
Never leave a man behind!
Bad ass villain with a penchant for blowing shit up.
Yep....gonna dig that one out this rainy, windy, cold, miserable weekend.
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Prolly a wimpy, smiling grocery bagger at a store Hurley visits to buy Ding Dongs in a flash sideways?
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Well it is a Sayid Flash Sideways, so there might be some interesting stuff having to do with their fight before Richard shot Keemy?
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6ABX03
5X02
4X05
3X07
2X02
1X05
Certain 'events'on both sides of the 'horizon' are ..required to occur.
That's just the wayz it iz. You know what that means. Sayid it a year ago. And you know what that means for their 'collision'.
"At times I almost dream. I too have spent a life the sage's way. And tread once more familiar paths. Perchance I've perished in an arrogant self-reliance an age ago, and in that act of prayer for one more chance went up so earnest, so... Instinct with better light let in by death that life was blotted out not so completely, but scattered wrecks, enough of it to remain dim memories. As now, one seems once more... the goal in sight again."" -
"You know in some beleaguered cultures all power emanates from a single, almost invisible person who in fact, wields all the real power in the Kingdom. Only a few people know who he is, fewer yet have actually met him. But everything passes through his purview, and I mean everything.."
"You mean...'
"That's right I mean.."
"He asked me to have a cup of coffee... Everyone has their breaking point..."
The epi is "Genesis 27:29":
"May nations serve you and peoples bow down to you. Be lord over your brothers, and may the sons of your mother bow down to you. May those who curse you be cursed, and those who bless you be blessed." -
It led me to Midget Porn. Got distracted. What were you saying again?
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Feb 27, 2010 1:53:23 AM CST
reefer2517; I'm not saying, I'm just sayin' LOL wut?
by anotherdeadkitten
"No one took Aaron... They were saving him by taking him..."I see, he wasn't taken they just took him. I forgot the difference between taking and taking. Yes, Mac, Sawyer took Aaron. I forgot all about the scene where he jumped off of the helicopter holding Aaron in his arms and swam back to the Island with him in his teeth. Okay, it was a group effort. Claire's cabin blew up and she was either dead or brain damaged or stunned and either she or her ghost or something posing as her or claiming her abandoned Aaron in the crook of a tree and no one took Aaron, he just magically became one of the Oceanic Six and then teleported to the supermarket with his magic Aaron powers.Anyone remember that Jack episode from back in season Six where Jin tells Claire "Kate took your baby"? Or how about the scene where he says "I was lying, Kate didn't take your baby, the others took him and they have him at the Temple." Since we know the Others didn't take Aaron and Aaron isn't at the temple or even on the Island - since KATE TOOK AARON to stay with his grandmother - We can deduce that Jin was lying. See, that;'s how double negatives work: if he says Kate didn't take Aaron but we know he's lying, that means KATE TOOK AARON.I think maybe Jin was lying to Claire because he didn't want to get hit in the chest with an axe.See. when Aaron was abandoned he was a baby; too young to walk or even crawl anywhere. He got to that tree somehow. someone took him. Either Claire or whoever led Claire away or claimed her took Aaron to the tree. James took Aaron to Kate. Kate handed Aaron off to Sun and Sun took Aaron onto the helicopter. Then there was some chopper crashing and climbing into a life raft and being rescued by Panny's boat and going to an island in a canoe and being rescued and getting onto the transport plane and meeting reporters. but eventually Kate and Jack took Aaron to live with them, Kate took Aaron to the supermarket and freaked out when she thought she lost him, and then Kate Took Aaron to Grandma Littleton. Somehow I'm seeing a whole lot of Kate taking Aaron in that whole process - and Jin sees it too.
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You're getting way too worked up about defending your comments. Besides, I;m pretty sure Aaron rode to the store on his motorcycle and met Kate there. NOBODY "takes" Aaron anywhere Aaron doesn't want to go, because that's how Aaron rolls.
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it wasn't the midget porn with the two Malay twins named Oompa and Loompa...had a friend friend spur me that way once ..took a month of head shrinkin, several courses of penicillin, and a week of eye bleach to clear that out me.. brain pan. brrr. shudder. brrr.
How bout I just give you the titles..
Triangle
Redux
The Field Where I Died
The List
The Host
Shadows
Ya know it's funny, every one is typin of late that the 'anti' flashes ..or as they are called now Flash-Sideways, are, as typed above 'season 7', or, and I hope I got this right, Flash-Future Past Finale or somethin ..Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?
This theory, some seem invested in now, forgets two gigantorific points..
1) If that is so, the Sideways-losties are the end game. They are living happily ever after as an epilogue to things done. so, if that were so, we have seen the series Finale a few weeks ago and everything between then and there is filler. no.
B) That theory can't possibly explain the manifest changes in the Anti-Losties lives and character; as will soon be seen ..as i typed, a year ago. Example. How does nuking the Island in 1977 create a scenario that Jack Shephard has a kid somewhere between 1990 and 1993? Which would be in Med School? Ahhh..It is just so annoying this lack of read back in former talk backs and the non-think through.
And it is just god-damn insulting to the writers to feature it as some such so simple..anyway. To answer your question?
Of course Sayid will kill Keamy again. Sort of. As I typed. A year ago. Bloody Finger Post.
...They really didn't think that through did they?
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"Well, Sayid, remember that pill I offered you? That was poison."Uh, Jack? Not to be picky here, but might it not have been a good idea to let Sayid know that YOU DIDN'T KNOW THE PILL WAS POISON when you offered it to him? Kind of a significant detail to roll over.Watched the episode again. Still not loving the after school special stuff with Jack and Joseph Gordon Levitt Junior.That will was not only clearly labeled but right there on a shelf by the desk between two bookends in kinda the first place they should have looked.Jack smashing the mirrors in the Lighthouse: totally Bruce Lee in Enter the Dragon in the hall of mirrors.I was glad to see Hurley sweating and exhausted at the top of the lighthouse stairs. For a man his size he seems to have an awful lot of stamina for marching, hiking and running all over the island without even breathing heavy. I mean, sure I messed my back up when I Knieveled off that cliff back in '76, but man, there's no way I could do as much running around as Hurley does.Mac, Bat Shite Crazy back-shooting axe killing tousle-haired zany eyes Claire ist uber hottie. Maybe I just like filthy dirty girls.Still thinkin' that Hurley's shout-out to fans wasn't just limited to his Adam & Eve theory. He seems to be the writers response to all those accusations that characters on Lost never ask questions. Maybe he was just making conversation this episode, but he seemed to be asking Jack and Jacob and everyone he meets questions. He even asked Jacob for directions to the food court. "Hey Dogen, why don't YOU go back to the courtyard, I belong here, I'm a candidate, nyaah."So, do we believe that Hurley is a candidate or do the folks who doubt everything they hear on the show because "the show never gives them any answers" now think that Jacob is a liar too?Oh and did anyone with a hi-def and a jitter-free freeze frame check out the "we can only show you a couple of seconds" coming attraction to see what's next? I didn't really catch anything.
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woops
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from the previews: Flocke inside-front of the temple, Dogen holding down Sayid as if fighting him, Kate screaming "run!!", Sun looking shocked at something, someone like Claire or Kate repelling off a cliff inside the Temple, Claire asking Flocke "are you going to hurt them?" to which FLocke says "ony the ones who won't listen", someone holding a very bloody knife, and Ben looking totally confused
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Well. duh. Bat Shite Crazy back-shooting axe killing tousle-haired zany eyed uber hotties..
Way down in the lizard brain of us men..is what we all want. ya know.
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Dogen telling someone "I want you to kill him"
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At Jacks? I wanna print out that label and put it on a bottle at out next LOST house party.
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彼が成功したのは、努力したからではなくたまたま運がよかったためである。
どうぞ！
バカがうつる、近づくな。
黙ってろ。さもないと命はないぞ。
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But note. she did not drink from it.
Somethin?
I have people who can fabricate that label for you. Of course, it will cost you your soul. Admiral McCutcheon is not a man to be trifled with, ya know? -
Kate had Civics class the period before me our freshman year. I'd get bored and start doodling, or writing things on my desk in pencil during class somedays. One day after getting to class and taking my seat, I noticed that someone else had written something on the desktop. "This makes me happy" it read in girl script, with a smiley face drawn below it. I kept doodling, or writing things on the desktop, and getting feedback from the same person. By chance, I soon figured out who was leaving me messages. It was our "Kate".
Sometimes the night janitors would clean everything off the desktop before I got to see it the next day. So I probably missed some things. This didn't elude Kate at all. Anyway, I was a shy dude, and the anonymous back and forth with a pretty gal was fun for me. The very last thing I wrote (in pencil) on that desktop to her was this...
all my life as a mirror...
with the moonlight on my hands
all my life
the moonlight
the moonlight, on my hands
as this mirrored heart of mine
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it's a good thing I downloaded it already from LOSTpedia. Whew! HA!
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Not to be a jerk but unless they're being repelled by something, hopefully they're going to be RAPPELLING down that cliffside. That typo aside, shouting, Claire and Her Friend at the Temple, Dogen vs. Sayid, shock, panic, hurting the ones who won't listen and a knife covered with BLODD!...Blood, blood, ohmighod, all that blood!!!Sounds like fun.One detail you missed: Next weeks coming attraction will still have that same annoying ABC announcer telling us "Next week, the time for more answers is here!"
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You are right. I don't think there's any specific significance to SHEPHARD's name being in darker type other than the show wanting the audience to see the name among all the other names. Making it stand out that way may have been the only way to draw attention to it without some hokey '30s movie trick like making everything else in frame dark and shining a light on it (which would get us fanatic viewers trying to discern the significance of the spotlight on the name and how it relates to Bram's halo as he surrounded himself in the circle of protection that failed to protect him. Or just focus on the name and make everything else on screen soft-focus - a trick that I'm sure the folks who pay for high-def would hate, and make the theorists wonder why they were hiding the surrounding names from us. So by making the name larger and darker, they were just drawing attention to it; it was just kind of a clumsy and heavy handed way to do it.But the other point from the same scene: if it was the house Jack lived in only briefly as a kid, his question should not have been "Why is Jacob watching me, why is my name written there. His question should have been "Why was Jacob watching my father, why is my father's name written there?"Still wondering where Christian's body went in the plane crash. If it was still in Australia, how was Jacob or MIB or KidSmoke able to take his form?And in the LA X zone, did that phone call say they think the body went to Austria? Was that a joke implying that someone not only sent the body to the "from" address instead of the "to" address, but misread Australia as Austria? I may be reading that into it, but it's kinda funny if that was the gag.
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on by...and conversing with fools.
First fool up? Me! at the Top 'O the List
But, there will be no rappelling down the cliff side death for Sayid... (chucked).. and whaaa?
You, of all folk, Ms. 'Kitty' Russell type-ish awesome..should appreciate the wisdom of Quint Asper. 'he ehe he'.
Look. Look back up there above to 23 Feb, 04:57...not one cat lovin fool noticed the mention of Kitty and Snowdrop.. that Jack then mentioned... right up there...told ya so. hmmpf.
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Up above a day or so back I posted a ten-part series of posts that no one seemed to like. One of my points was to keep an open mind. I might hope Lost doesn't turn into a religious parable, but maybe it does.Well, you don;t see to like the idea of the LA X alternate being the destination the Island story leads to. And I don't know if I like it, I was just considering that what if it does, and how to reconcile the many differences, such as David, and Helen, and Locke on good terms with Dad, etc.And the beest guess theory I cobbled up was that an event that occurred after the creation of Dharmaville - quite possibly Juliet detonating the sunnavabitch Jughead fuse in 1977 - did NOT create a "What If 815 didn't crash" scenario, but a more complex "What if killing Jacob and MIB negated their existence up and down the time line so they NEVER touched or affected anyone's lives?" Thus, without touchy visitations from jacob and visits by Richard and who knows what other ways they affected out characters lives, the world took a different path, changing not just the post 2004 lives of the 815 survivors, but The Others who were never brought to the Island in the first place.It's not an idea I'm married to, like I said, no one else here seemed to like it. I just dredge it back up here because it seems to address both of your numtered points, 1 and B.Well, The Darlton has an ending in store for us. And with the hundred theories that have been tossed out here in the last five years, odds are some elements of that possible ending have been peaked at already. Hopefully the lack of 100% unexpected surprise when that end comes and we're, say, 83.5% caught off guard, won't ruin it for us and make us go "No, seriously, that?"Another point: back in the "Filler!" talkback I joshed that people who wanted nothing but answers all the time seemed to thing the entire final 16 were going to be an entire season long series finale. But I look back on some shows that, well, ended rather abruptly. ST: Voyager, fer example. You say that IF LA X-world is the final ending, then the series is already over. Well, no, not until they explain how, and until they reveal and confirm that it is on the show At which time, yes, the FlashSides will have provided us with what will, cumulatively, be a half-season long series finale. And, trying to be open minded about it, maybe I'd not so sure that wold be such a bad thing.To drone on one more sentence, we've all finished riviting novels that left us wondering how the rest of the characters lives turned out. Well, maybe LOST ends with the reset that creates an alternate LA X-verse not as an alternative, but as what follows. But rather then leaving us wondering how the characters lives play out in that different world, we're given half of each episode all 6th season long being shown just that. That was moe than one sentence. Sorry.
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Did love that shout-out to Alice. Martin Gardner's "the Annotated Alice" is one of my favorite books and one I've read repeatedly and loaned out to a few people I loved.Didn't recognize David's copy, if it was the first or second volume or the recently released complete edition.
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would you be signed in here as FauxMulder?
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Is going to be like The Dread Pirate Roberts in The Princess Bride. Not what he says he is and not what people think he is either.
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I just read that book a week or two ago. There was an original Dread Pirate Roberts, but when he got rich enough to retire and live peacefully and safely he just turned the franchise over to someone else. By the time Westley became The Dread Pirate Roberts he was at least the fourth one to use the name.Who knows if the Jacob and his Nemesis the Man In Black we saw on the beach were their first incarnations? Maybe its another franchise job, like the way Desmond passed off the "guy who pushes the button every 108 minutes" gig off to Locke.
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Oh, now I get it:Scully and "Bones".
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"Maybe its another franchise job"... I get that feeling, too. But they've been at it for a long, long time...Much longer than the button pushing gig...
Long before The Black Rock crashed.
But MIB's "I was trapped, too" line hints that the job he was given was more of a curse than a job.
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naturally written as well, am guessing you are fluent, or close to it.
Enjoy your Japanese, translate what I can and get the wife to translate the rest. There is also some enjoyment in watching my wife trying to make sense of it all.
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Did any of you catch this past weeks "next week on lost" thing, where they went all "viral marketing" style and were like, fuzzing out things and saying "next week is so fucking insane we cant even show you anything!!!!" etc etc. Do any of you buy that or do you think they were just trying something different? Because, on the one hand, theyve never done anything like that before, not even for finales, so I was kind of surprised, but on the other hand, it was mega cheesey and seemed real stupid. Who thinks this week is gonna be crazy revelatory and believes they were telling the truth? Ha, it'll probably end up being the most filler episode of the season and they just wanted to be cocks about it. Who knows. just wanted to hear what other peoples takes on that thing was.
Darlton did say the season was cut up into "mini-arcs" or mini seasons or whatever, which would be about 6 episodes each...and this is what? the fifth episode, but the sixth hour right (two hour premiere)? Could this be the end of an "arc"? -
"Could this be the end of an arc?"... Ley me shake the Magic 8 ball for ya... 'swish swish swish swish'...
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Feb 27, 2010 11:32:20 AM CST
Lost producers need to get a camera crew to the beach pronto
by inactionman
Free Tsunami special effect coming your way.
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I am gonna repost this nutty, just cause. Just cause:
1) It is relevant..figure that crazy out.
2) I am listening again to the Amboy Dukes.
3) I wanted to burn your eyes with this:
http://tinyurl.com/BallSweat
∆π
* "Hello, Miles...long time no see"...
((--A coda to 4.1 'The Beginning of the End'... So in 5.14 'The Variable'... It goes... Previously on LOST, blah blah blah.))
[BLACK SCREEN]
[Sound of an Accelerating Engine].
....music intro...."now listen everybody, to what I got to say, there's hope for tomorrow, if you wake up today...FADE IN.
[INT.CAR - 8-TRACK - NIGHT]
(The engine revs through shifting gears, Pan up from generic 8-track labeled in masking tape with 'mishigami'...to redline Tachometer, 108 mph speedometer, 480814...turning over to 5 Odometer)
[EXT. CAR - HIGHWAY - NIGHT]
(Headlights come over a hill and disappear behind the next, as flashing three sets of red and blue police lights crest behind...as if the cars are surfing waves...)
[EXT. HIGHWAY - ROAD SIGN - NIGHT]
(Flashing by, a road sign...Grand Mere State Park . 4 Miles, Pan up to Daniel Faraday catching a glimpse)
[INT. CAR - HIGHWAY - NIGHT]
(Tailights and music ...."a new magic land")
DANIEL: a new magic land...hmmpf.
[EXT. BEACH - CAMPFIRE - NIGHT]
(A young hippie is smoking a spliffie with a girl by a campfire on the shores of Lake Michigan as the sounds of Sirens draw closer...Hippe frantically puts out spliffie )
[EXT. HIGHWAY - ROAD END - NIGHT]
(Hippie hears the the oncoming accelerating hot rod...grabs girl just as hot rod smashes through Park barricade, goes airborne and lands a few feet over his head)
[INT. - HOT ROD - NIGHT]
(Faraday grabs a suit case and makes a frantic exit sprinting for Lake Michigan.)
[EXT. BEACH - CAMPFIRE - NIGHT]
(Faraday sprints by amazed Hippie and Girl wearing Geronimo Jackson T-shirt as Police cruisers arrive at scene)
HIPPIE: Hey, man...
(Faraday stops in his tracks)
Faraday: Yeah?
HIPPIE: What about your car man?
(Faraday ponders, tilts head, smiles, tosses keys to Hippie)
FARADAY: Keep it...
HIPPIE: Hey, man, what's your name?
FARADAY: What's yours?
HIPPIE: I'm Dave. David Reyes.
FARADAY: Well....David....I'm Dan. (Smirks) Title is in the console...
(Dan resumes sprinting for the Lake stops..)
FARADAY: heh...David!
DAVID: Yeah?
FARADAY: The carburetor's bad...And..And I'm not sure about the odometer...
[EXT. HOT ROD - OVERHEAD - NIGHT]
(David Reyes turns to the car, bathed in spotlights and flashing Red and Blues and admires an immaculate 1972 Chevy Camaro Z28...Turns to say thank you...and sees...POOF...NO ONE)
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LOST
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I lurv this show....
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Even Darlton has complained in the past about ABC's overly hype happy marketing department. I remember they once had a promo that stated that 6 major revelations would be in the following episode. I think that between all of us here at the the time we picked out about 3 and one or two of them wer reaching. so ABC Marketing has always been kind of inept.
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when we get our richard episode, to see not only him on the black rock, but matthew abbadon as well. and that maybe when jacob made richard immortal, the MiB did the same for abbadon and served as sort of his spokesperson, much like richard was for jacob. that would explain why he works for widmore as i believe widmore was at one point going to be MiB's "loophole" but was banished from the island before this could happen. i just want more to be explained about abbadon as he seemed to be more than just a personal driver
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The "flash-sideways = flash-forwards" was brought up by someone else on the last LOST talkback.
I don't actually think it's a very satisfying theory, but from the evidence it seems to be where Darlton is going.
I would be much happier if Reality#1 is a world where the Valenzetti Equation has been solved so the world won't end, and Reality#2 is a world where the Valentezzi Equation has not been solved because of the arrogant Losties, so the world ends at the end of the season. -
Dark UFO has a report of a scene being filmed with some kids on the beach back in time at 23 A.D.
Aliens? It's after Jesus died, so it can't be that.
I'm starting to think it was a couple of young Aliens here to study earth to see if it's a worthwhile planet. Yes it's a long time in our years to do a study, but maybe it's a blink of an eye for an Alien.
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Is richard. I'm tellin you, I'll bet money he wasn't on the black rock. He's been there a fuck of a lot longer than 160 years. 23 AD sounds about right to me. Ancient egyptian heritage. I could still be wrong, no doubt, but I don't think so.
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It's not like Darlton has anything to do with the commercials ABC airs about LOST. I'm going to keep my expectations tempered.
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That is a spoiler? ya know..like..well, you mean like this?
http://tinyurl.com/SoonComin
I love you, Dad, and want you to know,
I feel your love wherever I go.
Whenever I've problems, you're there to assist,
The ways you have helped me would make quite a list.
Your wisdom and knowledge have shown me the way,
And I'm thankful for you as I live day by day.
I don't tell you enough how important you are,
In my universe you're a bright shining star.
hmmmpf.
Catch a falling star and put it in your pocket. Never let it fade away.
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volcanobattlesmokey!
'Tiny trains from buffalo balls 1943'
Best Post in 1300 and somethin change.
Dear Royston Lodge, please note, I have know stolen and will convey, as I see fit, and as I see needed the Royston No-Prize.
Sorry, bout that, but the 3rd rule of No-Prize is ..if you don't use it..you lose the Royston No-Prize. hah.
Id nah belonga me. how bout that. -
So, since everything seems to revolve around Daddy issues, the Cain vs Abel - Jacob vs Esau scenario doesn't really fit, although it did seem to at first.
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By 23 AD ancient egypt is well and over, just wasn't thinking real critically at the moment I read that post. More like the Greeks and Romans, but I doubt they are coming in to play. Richard could be Greek though I suppose, as good a fit as Egyptian i guess.
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would JC have been about 23 yrs old? Or 23 yrs since crucifiction?
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He's generally considered to have been born a few years BC. So he'd be late 20s in 23 AD. People can save the lectures on how it's myth or that nobody knows, gotcha - I'm just saying what the generally accepted best guestimate is.
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Depending on which historian you favor. The man was born March/April 6-4 B.C.
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If LOST just went ahead and incorporated Jesus into their mythology, that he visited the island or something, got some magic in him, went about the world. What if Jesus was an Other, or better, a Leader. I doubt ABC would approve of that storyline in anyway, but that would be hilarious. Too many uptight religious crazies in this country would take offense and call it blasphemy I imagine.
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accordin to WikiP:
Greek geographer Strabo publishes Geography, a work covering the world known to the Romans and Greeks at the time of Emperor Augustus – it is the only such book to survive from the ancient world.
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"Fire and wind come from the sky, from the gods of the sky. But Crom is your god, Crom and he lives in the earth. Once, giants lived in the Earth, Conan. And in the darkness of chaos, they fooled Crom, and they took from him the enigma of steel. Crom was angered. And the Earth shook. Fire and wind struck down these giants, and they threw their bodies into the waters, but in their rage, the gods forgot the secret of steel and left it on the battlefield. We who found it are just men. Not gods. Not giants. Just men. The secret of steel has always carried with it a mystery. You must learn its riddle, Conan. You must learn its discipline. For no one..
.. no one in this world can you trust. Not men, not women, not beasts...or Leno.
This you can trust....
Welll, that is another way I like to picture Jesus, beyond all that before and that above..
I also like to picture Jesus as Lindsey Adams Buckingham gettin a blow job on stage from Stephanie Lynn Nicks..while he's playin Holiday Road.... and I'm hammered drunk in the first row.
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So how did Jesus get off the island?
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Ab Aeterno.. ain't, in point of fact. Latin, or some such earlier.
Grábame como un sello sobre tu corazón..
llévame como una marca sobre tu brazo.
Fuerte es el amor, como la muerte,
y tenaz la pasión, como el sepulcro.
Como llama divina
es el fuego ardiente del amor.
Ni las muchas aguas pueden apagarlo,
ni los ríos pueden extinguirlo.
Si alguien ofreciera todas sus riquezas
a cambio del amor,
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Thus they tell it all!
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... I secretly booby-trab every No-Prize so that they spray a militarized version of the Honta Virus if they are distributed without my explicit written consent.
See you in Hell muthafucka!!! -
Does not scare me. I have stolen your prize and will own it and give it forth as i do see forth... with.. fit. Until Murder by Death! Whaa.. welp.
Yep. Hell. Me and that dog that bit that kid's sister on the cheek..
and that kid who beat to death that dog who bit his sister on the cheek will... sit on Eko's Grooler.
Wellll, we will be waitin, cockknot.
Unfortunately, in hell the only two beers you can barter for are Busch Light and Black Label.
How bout that.
There's no drinkin..
Like Busch Drinkin
Cause, John's buyin
Tonight...
$7.49 for a case...
It will put you,
Flat upon on your face..
Ohhhh! Buschhhh!
College song...
Thats what you have to look forward to...
..in hell.
Me.
You'll probably want to repent now or somethin, I don't know.. -
ill be wearing a tuxedo shirt and holding ur ladies hair Faux.....
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or whatever's on bonus buy at Food Lion lol...
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and those some such others not bestowed upon me by the Queen..
I do doth bestow and knight-eth thee or whatever, man
Lord Half-High Protector of the LOST talkbacks and more importantly..
Baron Big SnarkMeister,
yeah, there is no land or pension involved.. you'll have to revel in the title. But you should mention it all next week when you buy things at the Food Lion.
I'm jus sayin, the checkout girls will, well, might be impressed.
Ok. yeah, your are right, let us never mention this drunken Excalibur geek off again.
Shit. Did I just click post?
Faaaaaahk! -
old eagle comic about an alien agent sent by the powers that be on his planet to wipe out earth because of the humans distructive nature?but he later sides with the humans reluctantly at first (he still thinks they can be shits but see something in them)? he also shapeshifts, sometimes into a bird?fights other agents that follow him to earth to finish the job he was suppossed to do?anyone?
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Dammit... who typed a question on the telepromter????
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But Jesus was in his early 30's during his ministry and death. I think that the Bible says he was like 34 or 35 when he died.
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http://www.lostargs.com/
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and I'm rarely late. I like to eat ice cream, and I really enjoy a nice pair of slacks. Years from now, Doctors and trolls ..trolls? ..ok. Doctors and trolls on AICN will tell me that I have an IQ of '42' and am what some people call.... "mentally retarded."...
I don't know what we're yelling about! -
i love lamp.....
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awesome!
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that Jacob/MIB found some other portal somewhere else in the world that dumped them on the island originally. Probably wrong, but I cant think of another way to get two caucasians on an apparently tropical island two thousand years ago.
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between the island and Tunisia. So as long as you can think of a way to get the "two caucasians" to Tunisia, then it's possible to figure a way to get them to the island. Even if haven't seen it done on the show yet.
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that was my point
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Is this the strange theory you speak of? Google it. Or....LostPedia it:
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Vile_Vortices_(theory)
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though they probably won't go into it too deeply. Maybe they found it by accident, it will explain how they got there in ancient times.
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Wellll, I am filling my flask with sweet sweet Bore-Bone..and goin to Church.
Vorti..causcasi..tuneezy... ok. well. crazy is as crazy me.
Jeeeesus Christ. save me.
Dear Lord, just. ya know. let Sawyer be a Law man so I can Lord it over Cheif ..ya know. Hello? ..uh..God?
Nothin? ok. -
So...here's something hilarious. I'm going to go through all of the info that was spilled at paley fest this last week, but this was funny to me because we were talking about it wayyyy earlier in this talkback. Apparently, the Hurley-Bird IS on their list of "things to explain" I can't hardly believe that, but they mentioned it specifcally. personally i never thought that was important in anyway, just a fun little weird thing...but hey, i guess some people want an answer for that, and they have one. One thing they specifically said they werent going to answer were things like "who was the economist sayid killed or the guy on the gold course." just not important. the rest of this stuff is all over on HitFix.Com right now if you want to read the rest. Just thought the hurley bird was interesting. What explanation can there possibly be?
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"we are working on a way to bring walt back before its all over" its a little late in the game to be "working on it" since the finale is probably almost written... but maybe walt returns for the final moments of the show somehow. I do't care how, I'm just glad to har that they are at least going to try and explain a bit of the walt story.
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In the upcoming Hurley Flash Sideways...we learn he has a pet bird that he taught to say his name.
No different than Kate seeing her black stallion from he FlackBACK on the island. Instead, Hurley saw a bird from his sideways universe....long before Jughead was ever detonated. Thus...the sideays reality was playing along the entire time...not just as a result of "The Incident".
The above is not a spoiler...just my best guess. BTW...I was only joking when I mentioned fans being upset if the "Hurley Bird" question was never answered. I didn't think that would EVER be addressed. But if it is....that's the only way I can see it happening now. I mean, before, I always thought we would see Hurley befriending a bird back in 1977 Dharma days...which is why it flew by squawking his name in 2004. But, we never got to see that storyline happen.
Now...it only makes sense that it was an appearance from Hugo's sideways exisistence. Not unlike Jack seeing knicks on his neck and his appendix scar bleeding over from HIS island existence in to his sideways world.
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Just was helping to put a "name" on the phenomenon they were batting about like a curious (dead) kitten.
Have fun at church, dude. Save some blood of Christ for the rest of the congregation, will ya? -
I have no interest whatsoever in that being explained.
I'm more interested in Richard Alperts story, Whidmore and MIB's originas and ties to Jacob.
I do want to see how Walt ties in, what else the Island needs Desmond for and I want to see where they breed the giant hamsters that power the Island. -
another portal like the Island/Tunisia one. If you want to call it VV or something and then act all condescending, that's your choice. Curious dead kitten? Pompous.
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u just might be onto something....just might....lol
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"well... i could be wrong but i believe diversity is a old, old wooden ship that was used during the Civil War era..."
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Here it goes down. Down into my belly....
Though I think Ron Burgundy also considers himself a McCutcheons man, as well, if I'm not mistaken. -
and then I killed a guy with a Trident.
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and from now on lostBoytexASS and his ilk shall be forever known as...Brick Tamlands lol.
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maybe u need to find a safehouse or something...u know lay low for a while....
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Geronimo Jack's Beard. http://geronimojacksbeard.blogspot.com/
It's entertaining and a good podcast. But it also has never been more obvious that the whole story is a confused mess. If one of the stars, half way through the final season can't figure it out heads from tails then what hope does it have of making sense in the end? -
pretty simple. if u cant follow the story then stop. we won't hold it against u...
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"Do u two REALLY love the lamp or are u just saying it because u saw it??"
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I'm glad it's around, I definitely still get enjoyment out of it. But that doesn't mean I think it's going to come together cohesively. I like now it for very different reasons than I used to in seasons 1-3 but still like it.
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Season 1. Episode 1. Mark 4.1 "And again he began to teach by the sea side; and a great multitude was gathered together unto him, so that he went up into a ship and sat in the sea ..and all the multitude was upon the land by the sea side."
Ok.. just watch what happens 4 minutes into the 'Pilot'..ya know?
and...5 minutes on wiki would have told ya what for about the Hurley Bird..ya gotz ta start here:
""The indigenous peoples of the Pacific Northwest Coast feature killer whales throughout their history, art, spirituality and religion. The Haida (don't even try to pronounce it) regarded killer whales as the most powerful animals in the ocean, and their mythology tells of killer whales living in houses and towns under the sea. (Flight 815 and a sunken Island?) According to these myths, killer whales took on human form when under water, and humans who drowned went to live with them. For the Kwakwaka'wakw, the killer whale was regarded as the ruler of the undersea world, with sea lions for slaves and dolphins for warriors. In Kwakwaka'wakw and Nuu-chah-nulth mythology, killer whales embody the souls of deceased chiefs."" hmmpf.
What stuffed animal is always there and back and over and under and always around about Aaron?
yeah. ok. So...the Hurley Bird...Chief turned again to his people. "Now we will wait for the will of the One who is wise and all-powerful."
The people waited. No one spoke. There was nothing but silence and darkness. Suddenly, there came a great noise, and flashes of lightning cut the darkness. A deep whirring sound, like giant wings beating, came from the place of the setting sun. All of the people turned to gaze toward the sky above the ocean, as a huge, bird-shaped creature flew toward them.
This bird was larger than any they had ever seen. Its wings, from tip to tip, were twice as long as a war canoe. It had a huge, curving beak, and its eyes glowed like fire. The people saw that its great claws held a living, giant whale.
In silence, they watched while Thunderbird ...for so the bird was named by everyone ....carefully lowered the whale to the ground before them. Thunderbird then flew high in the sky, and went back to the Thunder and lightning it had come from. Perhaps it flew back to its perch in the hunting grounds of the Great Spirit..
Thunderbird and Whale saved the People from dying. The people knew that the Great Spirit had heard their prayer. Even today they never forget that visit from Thunderbird, never forget that it ended long days of hunger and death. For on the prairie near their village are big, round stones that the grandfathers say are the hardened hailstones of that storm long ago."
"Did that Bird just say my name?"
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at least ur civil brotha!
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After listening to it again on youtube...i just don't really hear it. I mean I know its a fact that it apparently does and all...but to me it just kinda sounds like a giant green bird swooping through the jungle.
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"In order to add to his equipment and the better to fulfill his honorable task of lecturing 'de rebus castaliensibus' to his pupil, Father Jacobus, Knecht had brought with him, from Waldzell, literature on the constitution and history of the Province. On the system of the elite schools. And on the evolution of the Glass Bead Game...."
Plinio Designori..smoke?
I'm jus sayin...LOST.... Das Glasperlenspiel -
Dammnit! Canada scored early. Ah well, both teams are great. Just want a good game.
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JRHigh...I did not mean to come off as pompous in my post...I apologize.
My dead kitten line was a (lame) nod to a talkbacker's handle here..."anotherdeadkitten"...which, I'm not catching the reference to, however...I certainly know yours.
My apologies if you were already well versed in the many LOST Vile Vortices theories slogging their way across the internets. And R.I.P. FBI Agent Johnson. (No relation). -
Cheatin, back bacon eatin...
Ok. second period
Maybe not God.. but Bubbles and Conky is on our side. -
...i have no idea whats goin on in here but "confused fan of lost flag" gotta be someones new tb name right?
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The fix is in..did you see the lay down??
fix.
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Honestly, while I would love for the show to wrap up all the crazy questions, I don’t feel like I *need* it to occur in episodes. I’d be willing to accept some sort of secondary source (like a website, maybe) for all the details and minutiae if it means that the final episodes can give us the basic and important answers in an elegant and entertaining manner.
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EAT THAT, MOOSE FUCKERS!!!
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Why do people keep saying Claire didn't mourn Charlie's death enough?She was in DENIAL.The first thing she says when Sawyer pulls her out of the rubble after the mercs blow up her house is... "Charlie?"
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I distinctly heard her say "Chaw-lee?"
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Congrats Canada. Best 2 out of 3?
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We just got our ass kicked by a bunch of ..nerds! ..ok Canuck-a-stanians
Which is. So so much worse.
Faaaahk! Milller!
Dammit!
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the youtube vid... its so funny when you imagine Claire sayin it...
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Was rewatching Children of Men (maybe 10th time) and there was two main thoughts I had after watching.
1. What a brilliant movie and very unlucky not to have been nominated for Best Pic, probably my favourite movie of 2006.
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The water turned brown...and...yucky. When Juliet blew up fantasy island.
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Darlton said they were going on radio silence after the finale, so no talking about it or explanations.
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Rewatched the Lighthouse on the weekend, and thinking about Jack and his issues with his dad, and himself and now becoming a better father that his dad ever was "You will never fail in my eyes, I just want to be part of your life".
Then thinking about how Locke was off Island, learning to accept his disability and move on with his life, doing what he can do well and accepting love from his great wife.
I really hope this is not a dream, or a parallel world, but a second chance, a "reincarnation" to get it right, to let go of what was holding them back, to not being "broken", to not being alone and lost.
Kate's ep wasn't as clear, that she has started to move on to the same degree as Jack and Locke. Maybe in future episodes will see more about Kate and what choices, changes she has made.
For Sun and Jin, they made great changes and growth on the island, so it may not be as dramatic for them in this second chance. But will be interesting to see where their future will lead.
For Hurley, we have seen his luck has changed, but I don't think its just about that.
Sayid, we will see this week and Sawyer in the not too distant future.
They are in happier situations, but I don't see this as a fairytale ending, this is not happily ever after, they will all have to continue to work on life, but they are in a better place to deal with the realities of life.
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It's weird cause I thought it had been caused by Ben's arrival to the Island. Last season that was debunked by the birth of Ethan.
I thought that, cause Ben being pretty fuckin evil back in season 3. So, who knows. I didnt write that earlier, but it's also something I'd like to see answered. -
After the big finale...Darlton wants to walk as far away from LOST as they can. They don't plan on disecting the conclusion to death...that's up to US to do...on our own. If your question didn't get answered...or your theory was torpedoed to shreads....or you are left simply scratching your head...well...buy some dandruff shampoo...cuz that's all the help your are gonna get from Darlton.
Your next chance for any answers from them won't be til their episode commentary tracks on the Season 6 DVD Set...likely to be released in November 2010 for the X-mas shopping rush. Six whole months after the finale...With no gaurantee your particular question will be addressed.
I'm gonna wait for the COMPLETE Series LOST DVD set myself which may come out in conjunction with Season 6. I hate buyin TV seasons ala carte.
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await The Darlton. They may get another crack at creating a cult hit favorite TV series, the way JJ has. they may scribe some awesome movies. and they may have their share of failures. But for the rest of their lives every interview is at least going to mention Lost and most interviewers are going to slip in one or few questions left unanswered, assuming there are any. for a long time they will issue "Radio silence, no comment," or adress specific questions with "The cheerleader uniforms were just a gag on the audience, the missing stuffed Panda was never meant to be important."But if there are any significant questions left unaswered by the final season and season finale, eventually they will wind up thinking of a suitable answer even if they have to write one five years after the fact.So, sure, they won't do a post-game interview the week after the series ends. And maybe their commentaries on the complete season/complete series sets may not answer every fan quibble. And they may claim the final thought provoking questions are the ones they wanted to remain unanswered. But after a life - or a decade - of nagging questions, I'll bet those last few answers will be forthcoming. Maybe on a 10th anniversary set of, well, whatever replaces DVD in ten years. maybe in a detailed series analysis book. Maybe just in details tucked away on Lostpedia.By the way, on The Nine, Chi McBride's character, the bank president, was the inside man on the robbery. And Coronet Blue was about a defecting Russian secret agent with amnesia. See, mysteries do get solved, eventually. Now about that Prisoner series ending...???
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Cute.
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Harry as Hurley in a redshirt, running through the jungle and keeling over?
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thats from, "The Abyss."
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Mar 01, 2010 10:27:44 AM CST
My Girlfriend Is About To Watch The Constant For The First Time
by crow3711
And a wave of jealously washes over my entire being.
LOST's finest hour to date (imo). How I wish I could experience that episode, especially the last ten minutes, for the first time again. -
Actually Amazon has a release date of August for season 6/complete set.
Your right about them being peppered with questions Kitten, I ran into Damon Lindeloff at a signing for his Ultimate Hulf vs Wolverine and I asked about the possibility of an eventual Lost Encyclopedia or DK book or something and he did say that 2 years after Lost ends ABC was planing on taking the show bible and possibly doing an encyclopedia like book on the series. We'll see if it pans out, but if it does that might be a way to get more answers. -
In the next few years everybody’s lives continue to move towards a brighter future. Jack gets his daddy issues sorted out, Charlie gets off the smack, Kate somehow gets past the murder charges and stops running, Sawyer hooks up with alt Juliet and finds a better way of making a living than conning people. Sun and Jin overcome their marriage difficulties and start a life out of the oppressing shadow of gangster businessman dad. Locke gets his legs back or doesn’t, he’s happy anyway and gets married. Michael and Walt develop a normal father/son relationship. Hurley and Libby an a loving relationship and have loads and loads of sweet sweet sweet sweet cash, Sayid hook up with Nadia alls good, Boone gets over his step sister obsession whilst helping Shannon and his bitch mother reconcile so se can come home from Sidney. Ben has a normal wife and kid, he doesn’t manipulate people for his own selfish ends, instead helps people. Rose finds a miracle cure or goes into remission and continues to live happily with Bernard, Everybody gonna be fine..Then… BANG.
Global Catastrophe of Biblical proportions! Millions die by the second etc etc all our characters will die soon as well
“why is this happening” the alt losties and everyone else will ask while dying horribly
Answer: The Island wasn’t protected in this version of earth; it was apparently keeping the world ‘going’ somehow but is now decaying thousands of feet underwater.
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Another (and more likely )explanation: they all move to San Francisco and add further to the already massive smug cloud that turns into a giant smokey monster smug cloud that then devastates the world with a smug storm of smug self fulfilment.
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It's dark gray/black, thick and bulbous and enters through a door. Other than the obvious fact that Smokey never has a human face, it sure looks like a smoke monster to me. Sure Harry may be a James Cameron fan, but why would he have a corner animation of an eleven year old movie? It has to be too late for a sequel and to soon for a remake. Is it recycled?And considering the number of hits the Lost talkback brings to the site week after week, why wouldn't he do a Lost themed animation?
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This is an old avatar. And it's straight from the movie. The water "snake" comes into the base, mimics the same face as Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio, then Resse from Terminator closes the door on it and it washes away like water. (And Harrys Avatar.)
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no doubt brotha...
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It is definitely a a recycled "Abyss" animation. Just replacing "The Wolfman" animation as that movie has already dropped off EVERYONE'S collective consciousness. IF there would be a LOST themed animation, the smoke monster would look more like "smoke" and not Flubber. It would also be black...not gray. Here's a side by side comparison:
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With Brooklyn Lager as my chaser.
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when the door closes. mos def the Abyss. just read on a Norwegian lost forum that the ending for lost has been spoiled (needless to say, I closed the page immediately) and is out on the interwebs. Anyone here know if there's any truth to that? If there is I'm gonna have to go complete cold internet turkey until May...maybe daring to check my work mail once in a while... Fuck the spoiling spoiler people, spoiling all the fun.
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Apparently, this is Corner Animation Nostalgia day. David Shephard = Man in Black. Make book on it.
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While watching the current season. But I've gotten my wife and oldest daughter into it, and we're having to play catch up. I kept wondering, 2nd time through, why Ben needed Jack to operate on him, when they were constantly off the island. That same episode features Richard Alpert recruiting Juliette, and apparently able to arrange for a bus to run down Juliette's husband. If they've got things that well together, they could have gotten Ben to some secret stateside clinic without having to kidnap and blackmail jack.
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Juuuuust sayin!
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My guess is that going off island would send the Others two messages. One that because Ben got sick he's not "choosen" by the island anymore and secondly that by leaving the island he would be showing a lack of faith in the island. He all about control and about mantianing the false sense of being Jacob's choosen to lead going off island to be operated on would destroy his deception. His flashback episode isn't called "The Man Behind the Curtain" for nothing.
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While I hope it isn't true that the LOST ending has gotten out of the bag...it does not surprise me. I fear everytime I come to THESE talkbacks that someone will spoil the show for me entirely with a post they 'claim' is their own 'theory', when, in actuality, they have insider knowlege and are actually posting the ACTUAL scenario as their own. That's why I skip over posts that start with "HOW IT ENDS"....or "MY TAKE ON HOW LOST WILL END". I skip right over them. ya never know who is hoing to be the next douche.
The corner animation. I read in another talkback today that the Canada one was causing peep's computers to crash. In fact...when I loaded this page when it was "The Abyss", it loaded immediately. This time...it took over a minute to load. I 'blame Canada'! But I think that's why there were standby animations in place today while they 'fixed' the problem.
I concur with Pa about Ben's need to keep his spinal surgery on the DL from everyone but Juliet & Big Gay Tom. And perhaps...leaving the island so soon after the 815 interlopers arrived would have raised a red flag to the rest of the Others. "Hey...we've got a truckload of newbies on the island, and Ben's taking a vacation stateside? WTF?"...I also think the minute he learned that a spinal surgeon fell out of the sky in his moment of need was a 'sign' to Ben that he had NOT fallen out of favor with Jacob. But he was wrong. All it got him was captured, shot with an arrow, beat the fuck up, jailed, tortured, suffer the indignity of one of the 815 folk being able to see and hear Jacob himself, and the horror of watching his adopted daughter murdered before his eyes.
Perhaps a quick trip to LA would have done Ben some good!
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I don't think Richard & Ethan had anything to do with 'arranging' the bus accident. I think the 'island' took care of that detail.
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http://lostblog.com/2010/03/01/interviewpaulborrowsroom23/
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Unfortunatly I think that was MIB saying "Help Me' in the cabin.
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But in BEN'S mind...he thought Locke did see & hear JACOB in the cabin...not MIB. Altho it's more than likely now that it was MIB....but that didn't affect Ben's disappointment in Locke's "specialness"...and the lack of his own.
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That was a great read. Congrats!
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Agreed. I've been thinking that for a couple of weeks now. Like the LA X is a kind of reincarnation, where they have paid for their sins of this past life, on Foot Island, their own personal purgatory. A spin of the Karma wheel! (Or Dharma?)
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I'm starting to think that maybe Ben had NOT been off island as frequently as we had been led to believe. Maybe that closet with this IDs and passports originally belonged to Widmore. Maybe that's what got him busted and thrown off island.
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Very neat
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Locke seeing and hearing Jacob was what Ben thought. So Im curious with Ben was he choosen by Jacob at first and fell out of favor, Was he never choosen and somehow built up a huge lie or has he always been choosen and Jacob's just been testing him with trials?
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I've enjoyed doing the two interviews that I've done so far.
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Hard to tell if Ben was EVER "in favor" with Jacob or not. It would seem his trip to the spring as a child made him "special"...aside from seeing his dead Mom on the island prior to meeting Richard. I somehow now get THIS feeling...
Richard was somehow responsible for getting the MIB banished to the cabin in the ring of ash. Demonstrated by the ass kicking UnLocke gave him on the beach after he had Ben kill Jacob. He's got got Alpert running like a scared bunny right now...so, my assessment is that Richard "tattle taled" on MIB to Jacob about something. jacob responded by banishing him to the cabin, and sought Richard as his 'replacement', hence his ageless ability, that Jacob also possesses. Richard has been looking for Candidates for Jacob all these years...which is why he visited Ben at that young age, looking like Tarzan in the jungle...and later bringing young Ben back to life in the healing spa. He then convinced Ben to betray his Dharma flock (and his shitty Dad) with the purge.
That, I'm guessing, was 'punishment' from Jacob for something Dharma did (exploiting the island's magical properties?) that pissed Jacob off.
So...It's possible Jacob was merely USING Ben all those years as and end to Jacob's means...But Jacob never really saw Ben as a suitable Candidate. Thus, the brush off. But Alpert, acting as Jacobs new 'right hand man', was given the duty of misleading Ben into thinking he was 'chosen' by Jacob to lead the Others...when in reality...it may have just been an offhanded 'reward' for taking out Dharma with the purge...But Jacob had his sights on someone else as the eventual Candidate that would be a fitting replacement for himself (Jack?).
So...I just took the long road to say...Just as MIB used Ben to kill Jacob (loophole)...Jacob merely was using Ben to kill Dharma (loophole).
My thought is Ben has been nothing but a 'pawn' propped up by his belief that he was the 'chosen one'.
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going with your logic of Richard searching for candidates, thats probably why he visited and tried to recruit locke all through his youth.
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Before he got on Jacob's shit list. Recruiter.
Now...I'm not saying Jacob banished MIB in 1977ish...in Horace's cabin...I'm thinking MIB was 'trapped' long, long before that...likely not long after The Black Rock crashed onto the island. Given it was likely a slave ship, and even more likely now that Richard was ONE of those slaves ("Good to be out of those chain's, eh, Richard?")...
My thinking is that MIB tried to escape the island somehow at that time, Rich ratted him out, and Jacob banished him...perhaps in the caves at first, who knows...But I have a feeling MIB escaped his 'jail' time and time again...but eventually ended up in Horace's cabin...but always looking for that loophole that would set him free.
Meanwhile, Richard was rewarded by Jacob...everlasting life...and a place at his side as the new Recruiter.
But now that Richard knows MIB is out and about again...he's knows MIB/UnLocke will eventually kill him with another loophole...just as he conived Ben into killing Jacob.
Perhaps that's part of the vague rule that has been floating about. "You know how bad I want to kill you?" MIB told Jacob...obviously that act was forbidden...Widmore & Ben seemed to be bound by this same rule...They can't kill each other either. But they CAN get an outsider to do the killing for them.
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Mar 01, 2010 10:09:49 PM CST
Cheif - like your assesment of the Jacob Ben dynamic
by miyamoto_musashi
I think your comments and others point to the fact that Jacob is not a "Jesus" type of figure, he has a job to do and he gets it done, largely by whatever means necessary, including manipulation. Including chosing to save someone and letting someone die to help serve his purpose (i.e Sayid and Nadia).
Whilst I know that the bulk of this season will be about choosing sides I really do hope the ending is about Losties saying no to both Smokey and Jacob sides.
No more of this control and manipulation, it becomes about the human race "growing up" deciding their own destiny.
At the end, what I would like to see, is Smokey to be taken out via a long con from Sawyer. Jacob then saying to Jack, that he is now responsible for protecting the island.
Jack hesitates, sick of the manipulation, sick of the death, the island through a manifestation (maybe Christian) telling Jack that he can chose to end the island, end the manipulation and control, let the human race figure it out for themselves. The cost will be that the island is destroyed, this reality will be destroyed and that they (humans) will be on their own. Jack can do this through the turn of the wheel, the wheel turning backwards.
A determined Jack thinks about the deaths of his friends, and turns that wheel, a flash of light, we then see some images from the "flash sideways" of all of our characters how they are now "living" life. The final image for me is then of Jack with his son.
Still not sure of the "POOM" LOST part. -
NonLocke to Richard: "It's nice to see you without those chains".Look, sometimes when I log in, if there's a couple hundred posts I haven;t read yet, I sometimes skim over them a little, so though I've been here for every talkback this season I may not have read every single word or idea posted here so far.That appy-polly-ology out of the way, credit to the originator if anyone said this first, but... It seems to me that pretty much everyone interpreted that as MIB saying "Richard, it is nice to see you without YOUR chains on you."But the fact that Richard seemed surprised and a little scared to see MIB - and the violence that followed, with the punch to the throat and all... seems to suggest to me what what he was actually implying was "Hello, Richard, it is nice to see you NOW THAT I AM UNCHAINED".This ties in with the Cheif's idea above that Richard was responsible for MIB being captured and imprisoned in the Cabin within the Circle of Ash. ManInBlack was the chained captive the last time he saw Richard, and possibly in part because of something Richard did.Everyone seemed to want the "man in chains" reference to confirm the popular pet fan theory that Richard arrived as a chained slave about the Black Pearl. Maybe wanting it to mean that one thing caused folks here to overlook that it might mean something else.
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I really don't want Jacob to turn out to be allegory Jesus and all that biblical nonsense. I can't see this all turning to theology in the last hours. I'm hoping it's more mythological than theological.
But, yes...I definitely wanna see the 'cycle' MIB mentioned in the Season 4 finale be broken. "it always ends the same way...chos & death".
I'm also standing behind my position that Jacob ain't the 'good guy'....like Ben liked to say! I think like EVERY character on LOST...Jacob will turn out to be as flawed as everyone else. I'm looking forward to seeing if UnLocke turns out to be someone who actually is a force for "good" for the Losties, too.
I think people may whine that the island really turned out to be a kind of 'purgatory'...a place for the Losties to decide their fates...Good vs Evil...Heaven or Hell. I just hope Darlton has figured out a way for it not to end in a huge biblical clusterfuck. -
I could be WAY off base with regard to Richard's method of arrival (Black Pearl, with Capt. Jack Sparrow...Lol!!)...
It just seems they went WAY out of their way to make The 'Rock' a big deal...it's reveal...Sawyer's killing of Cooper in its Bri (using chains!!)...Widmore's buying of the painting at auction...Richard making a replica of it as a 'ship in a bottle'...the sly mention of Capt. Magnus Hanso interjected time and again.
It just goes to support that pet fan theory even more that Rich was a slave on that ship with a penchent for fine women's eyeliner.
But it could also be a huge misdirection. I'm just having problems coming up with The Black Rock's overall significance (if any) otherwise.
I'm just starting to think it's a lil late in the game for Darlton to invent some other method of Richard's arrival out of left field.
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Oh...But I also think there was great significance in showing Jacob & MIB's adversarial "talk" in the shadow of the statue whilst watching The Black Rock sailing towards the island.
It would seem to me...the MIB was at the end of his rope (chains) with Jacob at this moment...and saw an opportunity for 'freedom' in the arrival of that 'slave' ship.
Ironical...ain't it? -
I posted earlier, he manipulates. However he does give free will. But theres gotta be a reason. Why trap MIB? How can Jacob trap people? I hope they explain that cabin shit with Ben and Locke. Cause that image was definitely NOT the Jacob we saw in 'The Incdent."
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I still kind of see Jacob as good.
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Maybe it will be revealed as less "good and evil" and more "life and death" (both natural and moral neutral), not unlike how the Vorlons and Shadows turned out to be "order and chaos" on B5.
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Just wanted to say that I think I noticed an number on the baseball when Dogen was talking to Sayid.
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