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I really want to see WAKING SLEEPING BEAUTY after watching the trailer!
Hey folks, Harry here with the latest documentary about the Disney legacy - this time concerning the revolution the relaunched the Disney brand to new heights of success. That's a fascinating story. And I hope it is something we can see again. Disney's 2D animation is waiting still. The key isn't just another Princess flick... it's time for Animation to evolve at Disney. Stylistically, dramatically and to appeal to different audiences. I really want something that doesn't scream 1990's Disney. Which was what THE PRINCESS AND THE FROG looked like. Instead, throw out all the character designs with BIG EYES. Establish a new stylistic look for a new age of Disney animation. At least that's how I feel. But watch This Trailer and don't you want to feel that way again. I do. I want to see Disney Animation continue to evolve and change. I feel that would be to target a different style of fairy tale. One that is aimed at adults primarily, but is accessible, yet not a slave to a child's attention span. What would you like to see Disney Animation tackle next?
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I'm pretty sure that's what they were doing with Hercules and Home on the Range. Those did not look like your typical 90s Disney films. MUCH more stylized.
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Seriously. How weird would that be/how much would they change.
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I definitely want to see this
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...Make a princess movie... but the princess is a tranney, you laugh now, but in maybe twelve years, it will be made... tranneys, fuckin abominations (unless they ADMIT they are not what they appear to be, then theyre cool)
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That's a different style of fairy tale....
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Disney should start makin porn, seein as how many of its stars end up bein naked on the net...
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would go down well (so to speak) - Belle and Jane from Tarzan would be my personal choice !!
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Since he evidently decided while writing this post that Disnesy should abandon a character design style that dates back to Walt himself. <p> What Disney needs to do: Less like Aladdin (celeb voices and pop culture references), more like Beauty and the Beast(classic story well told).
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well it's obvious the baton has been passed to pixar, but John's not about to let the 2d animation go down the well either. It's just that his focus continues to be with the company he built from the ground up--as it should be. Disney Animation needs their own hero to champion it and take it to new places. All this being said, the trailer looks amazing! Thanks for the heads up Harry!
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Harry, is it possible that you wrote this article in your sleep? It is astounding that so many grammatical errors appear in a paragraph that consists of approximately 10 (fragmented) sentences.
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I saw this at the Toronto Film Festival last Sept and it was indeed awesome. It was in my top 5 movies I saw at the fest! The directors were there for a Q&A afterwards which was cool and we even asked them about the Emperor's New Groove doc called the Sweat Box as it was never released. They said that it will never be released - that Disney didn't like the light it was shining on them. Fortunately for me I even got to see that one at the Toronto Fest as that is the only (or one of a few) place it's ever been shown. It was also great! Definitely check this one out as it really takes you through the magic time when Disney was on top of the world. Personally I think a lot of the credit has to go to Ashman and Menken as the songs from three of those movies are amazing.
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Disney needs to make a fat princess movie... ya know, bout self esteem, fittin in, bein yourself, whorin yourself to a group of guys, eventually gettin lipo and die when the surgeon left his watch inside her... a movie for the entire family
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not everyone has a screen big enough for 720p quicktime videos you fucking asshole. couldn't find another size within 30 seconds and gave up. fuck it.
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Feb. 21, 2010, 12:23 p.m. CST
Ashman and Menken deserve the lion's share of the credit...
by Chewtoy
They essentially taught Disney how to make the modern musical, as all of their major hits follow the structure they established with "Little Shop of Horrors". Of course, Disney beat that formula into the ground after Ashman died, but still...
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I really dug Lilo & Stitch, and Mulan. Both of which didn't involve Princesses. There are a ton of great stories out there that would be awesome animated in even the classic Disney style, they just aren't the ones Disney knows. They need to get some of the South American legends, Asian stories, and even some of the lesser known European fables.
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Hit ctrl minus (PC) or command minus (Mac) and the video will be shrunken down to fit your screen. Hit ctrl/command plus and it will zoom back in. Works for all text/graphics/videos/etc on every web page.
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disney and cartoon saloon should in roy disney's memory do some irish myths in animarion. it would ne very hard to pull off cause it would just be another case of oirish blarney. see leap year. or dont actually.
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...then where's your review of Princess and the Frog??<p> One of the most important films of 2009, the Mouse House's return to the hand-drawn feature table.<p> As a huge animation nerd myself I, and many other Disney fans, thought it was arguably the best animated film they'd made in nearly twenty years. An absolutely fantastic effort that was perhaps even more incredible to behold visually than Avatar.<p> Animation wise it is EASILY one of the best productions they've put together since the gold standard that was, ironically, Sleeping Beauty.<p> It also contained several sequences of outrageous different animation styles to the majority of the feature that took me by surprise -a total revelation. <p> Instead of branding it the same as their classic 90's output how about you actually review the movie and tell us what you thought. <p> In my opinion as a piece of storytelling and an exercise in real top quality hand drawn animation I think the least it deserves is a proper review - which you seem to be happy to the likes of mediocrities like Book of Eli and Wolf Man, but not the best film Disney have made in years.<p> Opinions please headgeek!!!! <p> Also, saying that they have stuck to their same animated look since the 90's is simply not true. You telling me Atlantis and the Emperor's New Groove look even vaguely similar? Lilo and Stitch to Beauty and the Beast??? Come on, you can do better than that.<p> Still a big fan though big guy
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...in order to appeal to the male audience...Thanks Larry for this post, you answered to my question and now I know you may stand for the title to be changed...sigh...
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Too much monopolizing by The Mouse. Genndy at Orphanage Animation needs our support, to get rolling those features that he showed the concept art of on the Samurai Jack season 4 dvd extras. One was a Viking-themed story.
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Told you guys he is workin on the "Vampire Princess" movie for Disney...
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The "big eyes" comment has me thinking back to my raving insanity at the Star Wars prequels and the stupid idiotic design team which designed everything with cartoony, child-like "Big Eyes."<p>Gosh, that design team was truly horrid and out of touch with the SW universe!
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You know, the kind who are prepared to spend an hour or more doing eye-makeup? Big eyes are crucial to visual communication; because 2d can't really copy all the finess of facial muscles, animators are forced to create big eyes to communication emotion.
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Those rumours were false, Stepdaddy. Jett has teamed up with Don Bluth to produce the new Fievel reboot.
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except this is not an intentional parody
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Feb. 21, 2010, 1:55 p.m. CST
I clicked on this hoping it was the next Anne Rice movie.
by Royston Lodge
When I saw the headline for this post, I said to myself, "self, surely they aren't making a movie based on The Taking of Sleeping Beauty!"<p> Some day...
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Which means you end up offending everyone. Its the only disney film I fell asleep in. It seemed to go on forever..the songs were terrible, and the biggest crime ..a lame villain and really nothing to bring in little boys...teenagers and grown men. Disney made a killing with Alladin cuz it appealed to entire families and the money making demographic of young boys..so did beauty and the beast and Lion King...then they went downhill with pocahontas...mulan etc..all those chickcentric ones.
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Errr... Beauty and the Beast appealed to young boys? Johnny Weir, maybe.
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Even with smart people I respect a lot controlling Disney's tiller, I really cannot see a Disneyfied Frankenstein working. Methinks it would turn out like Disney's version of The Hunchback of Notre Dame.<p> But I like where your train of thought is headed. Surely there are other counter-intuitive literary classics that would be a good fit for the Disney treatment.<p> I'm thinking that some of Dickens' lesser-known stuff could work. Or maybe L.Frank Baum's non-Oz stories.<p> What about Thornton Burgess' "Green Forest" stories. I loved the Japanese cartoons when I was a kid. http://tinyurl.com/yfdfztq<p> I could see H.G. Wells' "The Wheels of Chance" given the Disney treatment.<p> Jules Verne's lesser-known works would also be good.<p> Hell, Disney could just troll Gutenberg.org and come up with plenty of ideas.
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Feb. 21, 2010, 2:21 p.m. CST
Interesting film, but ultimately a failure; See "Sweatbox" inst
by Undead03
You see, the guys who made this film are also responsible for the ultimate DEMISE of the studio, through mis-managment, dictatorial control, and bad taste. The film they've made, of course, stops just before this colossal betrayal of the studio takes place. They carefully tip-toe around controversial land mines they were intimately involved in, but to their credit also never blame others for their abject failures. The Trudy Styler documentary "The Sweat Box" tells the REAL truth, and it ain't pretty. Too bad Disney won't release that film. It's warts and all, and man, are there a LOT of warts.
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...is to see those early '90s Disney Classics on Blu-ray already.
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I'm pretty sure I just read you make a comment on TPATF without seeing, what with you commenting on what it looks like it was, rather than knowing what it was. Terrible writing.
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output. They were producing some remarkably unusual and un-Disney films. Wish they had those balls now!
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American animation should start making serious,adult films,just like the Japs and Europeans do for years now.I understand that Disney does not want to change its image,but it can create a new label,like it did with Miramax,which will produce such mature films. <p>Will these films be successful,regardless of how great they are? probably not because thats not how the american audience considers the animated movies,but here is the thing: <p>if these adult films get accepted by the film critics as equals to the live-action adult films,and they get nominated in the Oscars,in the best picture category or in their own new adult animation category,then the audience will start changing their perception of the adult animations,and eventually will treating as serious,mature works of cinematic art,which are worthy to pay money to watch them in the cinema,just like they would do to pay money to watch Hurt Locker,A serious man or whatever. <p>dont misundestand me,kiddie animated films like Toy Story 2,are serious films with adult themes,but they will never touch serious themes like war with a more mature way.anyway.
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Considering Disney have screwed over cinemas worldwide by cutting back the waiting period between their movies' cinema releases and their DVD releases. Virtually every mainstream cinema in the UK has boycotted Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland movie as a result. This isn't brand spanking new news, but it does make me think a little less of Disney. They claimed they moved forward the DVD release dates in the U.S. because DVD sales are slow this time of year; apparently they did it in Canada because of Father's Day, and they moved it forward in England because of the World Cup. Heh.
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Are we really supposed to feel bad for a multi-billion dollar corporation that got lazy and rested on it's Mickey and Donald laurels? Fuck Disney for this self-fellating piece of propaganda.<p> That said, I think it will be cool to see Lasseter and Burton in their youth. There's no doubt these were creative geniuses in their own right, but Disney doesn't know its head from its pinky toe. Fuck Disney.
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is pretty fucking amateur. This post is a prime example of that.
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IMHO, Disney is currently suffering from the common Hollywood disease of not taking chances on new concepts. Add to that the pure business reason for straight-to-video schlock. Then add to that the god-awful licensing/merchandising aspects. Mattel always took the shortcut of casting Barbie as the princess character. *inserts finger down throat*. TAKE SOME DAMN CHANCES!!!
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I don't know that it was all that PC. The traditional Disney messages have been somewhat subverted. Even the core message of the Disney THEME TUNE! Wishing upon a star doesn't work without HARD WORK. I thought that was particularly interesting considering Lasseter's history with Disney and what he's acheived after he (ahem) left their employ first time round. And great to see a rich girl who was kind, and good to her friends instead of the standard movie cliche. My Wife and I took our 3 YO son to see it, because we are movie geeks who appreciate how important this film is for traditional animation. He Loved it. He also loves Beauty and the Beast- but won't watch Aladdin, it's too noisy and silly. Granted the songs aren't Ashman and Menkin... but ffs they're Randy Newman. Come on Harry, this is an Important film, the first hand drawn Disney animation in 5 years - and the first good one in considerably longer! Review it properly please!
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It'd just be nice to see feature animation without Disney's stamp on it - either literally or stylistically. If Disney were to take more risks, that would be a step in the right direction. I just think it's a shame that nearly all feature animation resembles Disney animation. There is infinite potential in animation, and it's barely been tapped.
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creatively, I suspect Disney is about to get a swift kick in its lack of nuts by "Brendan, and the Secret of Kells."
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You are spot-on but we'll both be dead before it happens.
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three major cinema chains have decided to boycott disney films. this is down to length of time these cinema chains can show alice in wonderland. Disney has decided to bring forward the dvd release of that film. so Cineworld, Vue and odeon have decided to boycott disney. what this does to toy story 3 is anyones guess.
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and it felt rushed to meet the 90 minute mark. But fuck I still love it, the music and the fucking characters and everything. Beauty and the Beast is really boss too. I'm fucking sick of Pixar. Yeah they're quality but I miss a good Disney 2D musical.
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WTF is Tangled? What a dumb fucking name change. Fuck you Disney, go make another Toy Story and Cars film ya shits.
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I'm about ready to see Disney finally do a Marvel animation pic
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Marvel. Nuff Said
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Feb. 21, 2010, 5:57 p.m. CST
So really, it's the story of how Disney stopped making...
by Royston Lodge
...the animated movies that I liked, and started making the animated movies that made me want to gouge the eyeballs out of my skull.<p> That trailer seems to reference The Great Mouse Detective as a "bad" movie, but it's the last (non-Pixar) Disney animated feature I actually enjoyed!<p> But then, I fully admit that I'm not the demographic they were going for during that period.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't this trailer kind of set up the Michael Eisner era as some sort of Golden Age?<p> I wonder if this movie mentions the "Mauswitz" nickname that Disney obtained during that era.
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Everybody wants to horde stories for themselves. When you were a kid, you were totally happy with kid's entertainment. But now as an adult, you want those same production houses to cater to your 30 year old ass. Let the kids have the same magic you had. Quit expecting your super heroes and Disney characters to get old and jaded and gritty with you and just find something else to obsess about. Seriously. Let the kids have Disney for God's sake.
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Feb. 21, 2010, 6:22 p.m. CST
Hopefully they make something at the quality standards of Old Do
by boxking
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It would be an interesting turn of events if Disney animation started doing less big-eye characters and did instead other styles of faces and character animation - much like animation studios overseas are doing (like Studio 4C and Production IG just to name a couple). <P> I remember once hearing how Asian animators were inspired by Disney animation which is why so many anime characters have big-eyes. If Disney now abandoned that style, they'd probably have to get inspired by studios like Studio 4C to produce non-big-eye characters. <P> Welcome to the flip side.
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a full on porn featuring Arial the mermaid being destroyed by Ron Jeremy..!! Sweet!
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It will be a long-ass time before the US is going to accept an animated film that's aimed at an adult audience. Sometimes things slip though, I know—"Waltz with Bashir" and things like that. But the truth is that when "Coraline" came out, my sister and my mother were upset that someone would make an animated film that would be too scary for my 7-year-old niece. (And who knows if it'd be all that scary to her, really...)
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So, EVERY movie that happens to be animated has to be 7-year-old-friendly, but not every live-action movie has to be held to the same standard?<p> That seems so very strange to me.<p> Since Avatar's basically a feature-length cartoon, were they upset that it isn't really 7-year-old-friendly? ;-)
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you know when robots are presented with a logical paradox, and their heads start smoking and vibrating, and they eventually explode? that's what i feel like when i try to read harry's writing.
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I've pretty much banged my head against the wall trying to convince my sister (I've not dared to argue the point with my mom; I think her head would explode) that cartoons don't all have to be for 7-year-olds, but she won't budge on the opinion. Her argument is that people expect animated films to be geared towards kids, so no one should veer from that in case a parent takes their 4-year-old to something inappropriate. I know—that's no argument at all. I suggest that responsible adults should investigate a film before taking their kids to it, but she knows (as I do—we're both in education) that parents don't do that. (I'll never forget the day a 6-year-old sat in front of me during "Superbad".) Still, stupid moms and dads shouldn't keep Hollywood from making smart cartoons. I don't watch a lot of anime, but I have seen some things that I really liked that did some daring things with mood, like "Mushishi" or "Mononoke". I'd love to see someone over here tackle something like that for American screens, but it's never going to happen. No one would go see it because "it's a cartoon, and they're for kids." [As for "Avatar", my sister asked me if it was okay for her to not be interested in it. I said she's entitled to her opinion. That was a weird conversation.]
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...I'm pretty sure he HATED it a Disney...felt constrained and cockblocked at every turn.<P>Look at his face in that clip...there's practically a gun in his mouth.
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Feb. 21, 2010, 7:34 p.m. CST
...Dingbatty, I agree...lets see some Genndy Tartakovsky...
by FlickaPoo
...love instead. Disney is a giant that can't seem to get out of it's own way.<P>There are plenty of talented little fish in the sea that need our love and support.
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Yup. Damn right it is.
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@ D Vader, I agree 100% Disney needs to tackle a classic but in a straight-forward way. No singing, no sidekicks, no animals. I've long thought Frankenstein would be the perfect movie for them to do. Barring that, I have high hopes of John Carter if they do it in this way. Also Three Musketeers, The Master of Ballantrae or Tom Sawyer would make for great 2D animated Disney movies done in this manner.
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a doco called "Dream on silly Dreamer". It doesn't have the guts to anger the litigious brigade, but at least it doesn't paint a disingenuous picture of the time. I mean, fair enough Andreas Deja doesn't want to get himself shitcanned, does he? <p> I hope someone leaks Sweatbox to the interwebs. I actually thought that even though it was a world away from where they started, that New Groove (the movie, not the show) was the best thing they'd done in ages and neatly avoided all the pitfalls of being overly specific and the pop-culture/referential stuff was no more contrived than the lazy animation somehow = musical convention. It shit all over Shrek anyway. Maybe Trudie Styler should've snuck it on one of her other films, Moon...
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What is there specifically about Frankenstein that makes it ideally suited for 2d animation? Just wondering.
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Dumbo. Small eyes, but still cute as blazes. <p> And Phantom you're on a sugar high again. P&TF DOES have the same big-eyed (for the heroines/main female characters) style. For that matter so do Groove and Atlantis. Line us the female characters and tell me they're not in the same style. If you hadda said Mulan and Pocahontas maybe you'd have had a point (even though they were as close to the usual Disney style as possible while still maintaining a semblance of their ethnicity. As for the trainwreck of Atlantis they totally wussed out on staying true to Mignola's designs. And I seem to recall a couple of the characters even had different line weights, making them look like stowaways for one of the Disney TV shows. <p> As if Tiana doesn't slot right in to the lineup of Disney princesses... she even does the unintentionally demeaning Disney rubbernecked take all those female characters do that makes them look like dork/bimbos. Oh but sorry, this time she's being "sassy"! Look, I thought the movie was surprisingly good and it was too bad they were stuck with the whole "post" fairytale thing. So no, I'm not just gunning for it.
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You saw get rid of big eyes, then saw you want a new stylistic look. Sounds more like you want a realistic look. I agree they should spice things up, and not everything should look like Aladdin, but your anti big eyes propaganda must be stopped.
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...numbers. <P>That would be a decent start.
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Putting Hamlet in Africa and transforming the Danes into Lions... its perfect. Because the whole brother-killing-the-king-to-get-the-throne thing is something lions actually do, too. When male lions take over a pride after fighting off the previous male leader, they'll then kill every cub so that he gets to mate with all the females and continue his blood line instead. Hence, Scar tries killing Simba. It works in Hamlet, but it also works that way in real life too.
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after watching The Lion King. But he couldn't get Carrie Fisher to play a warthog, so he changed them to Great Danes. Disney made it into a film called "The Ugly Dachshund," with Dean Jones and Suzanne Pleshette, in 1966.
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I mean, Jesus, seems like a no-brainer to me.
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For a film that was supposed to be so fresh, what with a black princess and all, it was so contrived and by the numbers I almost fell asleep. It's direct-to-DVD-level Disney, not at all in the same league as true Silver Age Disney films like Lion King or Beauty and the Beast. I re-watched the latter one the other day, and I was struck by how much more powerful, emotional, and imaginative it was than Princess & D Frog. And its music!!! Incredible. No wonder it was nommed for Best Picture. However, despite my admiration for the classics created during the Silver Age, I won't be watching this doc about that fabled time in Disney history is because I know a talented female artist who, during that time, was blocked from the Disney internship because of her age. That's right, her age. She was - gasp - pushing 40. Yeppers, Disney may have finally grown past sexism, but ageism is alive and well in the Mouse House (and it applies to everyone - just ask any older animator, anywhere - they get dumped for eager young "I'll-get-coffee-for-these-guys-I'll-clean-the toilets-I'll-work-for-peanuts-just-gimme-a-chance-Disney!!!!" all the time. Experience and skill can't compete with young and cheap. Sad.)
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This really is one of the worst articles Harry's ever written- both in content and grammar.
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Jesus, what a great way to make Mickey and company relevant again, give them fresh exposure to a new audience and best of all, give them fresh new worlds to adventure in. Seems like a no-brainer to me too, but what is Disney doing instead? Making a movie out of that pathetically-dated Jungle Cruise ride and a movie with those freaking muppets. Good god, and I thought Iger would be an improvement over Eisner...
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"Kimba: The White Lion" from Japan. The Japanese creators of "Kimba" are well aware of this, but they believe that it is dishonorable to make such claims in court, or openly, elsewhere...because of their societal views within their honor code system.
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Although it has a lovely sentiment in the end, it is a boring moving with largely bad animation, and really horrible songs...and too many songs at that!!!
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I would like to see say for example. A Thor Animated film released at the same time as a Thor live action film.
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That's what i would like to see.
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It's time for Disney to amp up.
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These two gentlemen saved Disney's animation division, as well, as the company, as a whole. When Eisner and Wells took over Disney's executive offices, they had a mandate that Eisner set in place: "This company was built on animation...and that is what has made it famous, and its future is there, in animation, not just mainstream, and largely non-family based live action films (which the company was just turning to...at the time). Those aren't Eisner's exact words, but is written in the spirit of what he stated in article at the launch of his reign as Disney's top executive, thus, I find it wonderous to have read that article, and then to have witnessed, from a distance, just as an admirer of the business, see him pull-off his business plan to return Disney back to the top. He did it, and it came solely from him and Frank Wells, and no others were responsible for that edict, although Roy Disney was a great help in supporting that view as a shareholder.
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I would like to see that to.
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I remember it being a scheduled live action project at Disney, about 5 years before the Eisner takeover. It was to be one of Disney's first big blockbuster attempts, just before "The Black Hole" was green-lit. Details about "The Knights of Eden" and its story...were never disclosed, but this was considered a very hot project at the time.
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What a massively disingenuous and stupid thing to say. You can sing to the rooftops that you'll be giving away free money to get elected, but the proof is in the pudding. You want to give them a fucking medal for stating the obvious that at the time Disney flicks were a bit shitty and they really should be, y'know, good again? Then at least rip them down again for the monsters they became. Or did they offer you some kool-aid? Katzenberg was a key part of all that too. And he's a monster as well. They also killed 2d through being inplace to make their own self-fulfilling prophesy come true. For a time at least. <p> You've gone off the deep end this time MM, or that's a bloody dry deadpan you wield. "Gentlemen" my arse! And you're spectacularly uninformed on the WHOLE story, and Roy E. Disney's support, which had a lot to do with why Eisner and cronies eventually got the boot. <p> So basically this is the prequel to "The Sweatbox" eh?
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I would like to see Disney return to taking serious risks. It s time for Disney to break new ground within the realm of animation, instead, for years, after the big breakthrough with "Tron", they have allowed other companies take the lead in animation--instead of being the leaders in high-concept breakthroughs in animation, etc., they simply became spectators, and contracted out to companies like Pixar--laying off much of their animation staff, just for the hell of it...and to save money, while allowing the competition to make money from the very staffers Disney fired?<BR><BR>It is time to introduce the next level in animation, a new technology, or a refinement of old technologies, like rotoscoping, or combining animation special effects techniques, special effects make-up, and technologies. They need to sit-down with their Imagineers, film students, and experimental filmmakers, and scheme to bring us the next big thing(!!!) for, it is Disney, that should have come-up with "Avatar", not Fox.
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- and hooray for Brad Bird/Pixar portraying him as an old woman in Incredibles. I'd call the guy a massive dick but being gay he'd probably take it as a compliment...
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Before Michael Eisner and Frank Wells, the leadership of the company completely gave-up on animation. It was over for Disney and animation, in all serious ways. The marketplace did not want animation, and Wallstreet, investors, distributors, and theater exhibitors, were all opposed to it. They saw Don Bluth, Ralph Bakshi, and the film Heavy Metal, etc., fail at the box office, along with Disney's own animated releases, so the view was in--that it was over for animation; hell, even Tron failed. <BR><BR>The business model in film had shifted to non-family oriented films, comedies, R rated films, and big live action blockbusters. I am not saying that others did not assist Eisner in implementing his agenda to return Disney to animation, and on a large scale, despite the naysayers, as it is obvious that others like Katzenberg, did assist him--my point however, which you are missing, was, and is, that without him taking that stance, Jeffrey Katzenberg, and others, to a woman or a man, never would have had that chance in the first place without Eisner's push. It started with Eisner, as any movement has to start somewhere, and Eisner was in print back then, saying so and putting his neck on the line, only he and Frank Wells--well before Katzenberg.<BR><BR>The Disney executive board was against a return to animation, and Eisner and Wells used their considerable power to change their view, as well as that of the media, the public, and a whole industry...that was dead set against it.
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It sounds like I am associating Heavy Metal with the works of Bluth and Bakshi...the way it reads in my above post, however, I am not. My point is to simple say, that every major animated release that came-out at that time, was considered to be a failure in the marketplace, and the public, especially adults, and teens, had little, to no interest, in animation.
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He certainly looked like it.
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basically IS the new rotoscoping don't you? And effects makeup? Ever heard of Benjamin Button? Did you know that Rick Baker and Kazu Tsuji defined the look of that stuff? I'm glad you're all excited, and hey, I love animation (of ALL kinds) to bits too, but take a breath from the hyperbole dude! If Disney had done Avatar especially under the old regime, it would have been a massive (micro-)mismanaged disaster. Even Cameron who has plenty of caché still had the good sense to fuck off down to N.Z. where suits would leave him alone for the most part. And "contracted out"?! Dude! Read some books!! And read up on the whole firing thing too. It begs belief.
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And it'll save you redundant posts. I've known that quote for decades. You haven't unearthed any treasure there mate. I wasn't arguing about that point -READ what I wrote dude! I was taking issue with your myopic view and wondering if you were as aware of the FULL story. The whole marketplace is a chicken-and-egg thing as it was CAUSED by suits and the knock-on effect of lousy product. I KNOW you didn't say JK didn't assist, obviously, as it was I that mentioned the name in the first place! MY point is they're just words that anyone could say, and it was the usual big worded manifesto that comes with the changing of the guard. The WORDS mean NOTHING. The artists ALWAYS wanted to do GOOD work, even in the nadir of Black Cauldron. They STILL wanted to do great work at the worst of the Eisner regime. And the creative people WERE already there, so the notion that Eisner and Wells gave people their chance in the first place/it started with Eisner is a ridiculously biased way of saying that finally some new suits came in and DIDN'T block the people with the ideas. Big deal! Especially considering that within a short time those suits were EXACTLY like the previous jaded suits and the proof is that the ship sank again. <p> And Remember too that although the new success really started with Little Mermaid it really took off with Lion King (D.Vader sure it's Hamlet but it's the most shameless ripoff of Kimba the White Lion ever seen) and Aladdin which steals from Thief and the Cobbler which was a decades-old open secret in animation at the time. Again, I'm not saying those were bad at all, and sure they looked miraculous next to the previous stuff, just to be clear. But I am saying you're spouting things without solid knowledge and it makes you sound like a vacuous cheerleader. To only concentrate and defend those fascistic goons on their big words at the beginning and not look at the whole picture makes anyone who knows anything about this stuff dismiss you instantly, that's all. And stop mistaking my "ands" for "ors" or "buts" (like the Katzenberg bit. <p> And sorry for the last post - I'm one post out of step, which is why I'm replying to your silly "I'm right" exclamation now. Cheers mate.
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Motion Capture is the new rotoscoping, basically, as you suggested, but, the original application can be employed in many ways that, I am sure, haven't been explored yet, like somehow integrating the two styles. Imagine taking a rotoscoped human figure, or hand drawn Disney characters, and scanning them in a computer, and using them as the 3D models as a basis for motion capture figures? A standard computer created character for motion capture, looks CGI, but rotoscope does not, nor does a hand drawn character. By taking steps to go through this modeling process, traditional animation...to CGI rendering, it will give a new look to these kinds of characters, again, a more traditinal animation feel. n post, Disney animators, can tweak the performances of motion capture actors, and add animator driven performances creating...a seamless merger between the style of the performances. These are the kinds of things, I would suggest the industry try to change things up, while integrating traditional animators into the process of motion capture...from design, to production, and final rendering, and post.
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I didn't unearth anything--and I never said that I did--I simply recall this from memory. <BR><BR>Frank Wells died, and things went to hell from there. I am not saying that Eisner is any different from any other greedy executive, he just put the ball back into play for Disney, and the rest would be revisionist history if we denied that fact. <BR><BR>If you see my above post, I mention The Lon King rpping off "Kimba"...and I am glad there are others like you who also recognize that, just as George Lucas ripped off the production design and many of the themes and executed style of "Space Cruiser Yamato" aka "Space Battleship Yamato", aka "Star Blazers". You'll not that Yamato debuted in theaters in Japan in 1974. Glen Larson, the creator of Battlestar Galactica used this against Lucas in a lawsuit that Lucas filed against Larsen for stealing deas from "Star Wars'...well Larson countered with the help of the creator of Yamato and admitted that both he and lucas stole ideas from Yamato. You'll note that both Star Wars and Galactica had the same tow production designer, and special effects superviser, who presumably were directed by both Lucas and Larson to rip-off Yamato. It's the Hollywood way, to steal!<BR><BR>Sure Eisner is a fascist goon, but so was Walt Disney who was a supporter of Hitler and the Nazis, speaking of fascist goons. Look, i love Disney's work, but I don't have to like his politics. I know Hitler was a very smart man, but his policies were wrong, and Eisner was smart to stand-up for animation at Disney when he first came to the company, and a fool for undermining it later on, just before he was ousted from the commpany...for his self interest, power trips, and greed, and deservedly so. All power corrupts, absolutely.<BR><BR>You are a fine bloke, nice to meet you!!!
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Calling out Frog as largely badly animated renders anything you have to say about hand-drawn animation utterly irrelevant.
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Stop with the pandering here, just the same with "Up"...I have had it with all the lies that Up is a great movie, or even good, for that matter, these false accolades are simply paid for media hype. Up is one of the weakest animated efforts ever, and so is Frog--however, "Happy Feet" is brilliant!!!
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...the moment you were paid to stop listening. Now, although "Frog" is hand drawn and "Up" computer rendered...each just fell flat in their specific frameworks. Let's take Frog for instance, the songs were horrible, which helped to fully undermine the movie--however, you said nothing about that while taking aim at me, despite the fact that this is something that I covered while appraising the film. The movie could have also benefited from shorter songs, and far less songs. Also, the director could have easily trimmed some scenes, including the scene where the heroes went the wrong way while seeking the witch, and at least one false ending, both scenes leading to the film carrying on for another 25 minutes than it needed to, thus, harming the flow of the film?<BR><BR>As for Up, it just went from a very sweet silent opening...to boring, to kid friendly silliness, which took over the film. There was never a real story there, just a not so high...gimmicky...high concept, about a house with balloons attached to it that takes-off in the sky with people in it, and adventure looms--but in trying to make a story, surrounding the gimmick, they ran-out of anything real or interesting to say other than the opening ten minutes of the film, and all told...without words? It was all non-offensive fluff!!!
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the beginning of up is truly brilliant. the problem is the movie goes down hill when we get to meet and like wall-e the film collapses under its own weight. wall-e was far too preachy and it was message that I for one didnt buy as i said at the time. that said the that scene where carl frederickse is looking at the scrap book which documents his life is heartbreaking.
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when we get to meet Charles Muntz
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pixar have had since the incredibles...
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Nope, not British, Aussie (our use of mate and bloke is pretty different if you're in either camp). Yeah true you didn't say that about unearthing, so I can see it might seem a bit hypocritical in a certain light - I was really just trying to say calm down dude, calm down! Mainly because you weren't admitting the other side of the coin earlier. Usually it's fine to discuss just an aspect, but in the case of Eisner I think the dodgy stuff is absolutely pertinent and must be mentioned in the same breath because it throws those words into a different light. Of course having said that people tell me to take a breath here too. Ironically one of the subjects I try to battle ignorance on the most is animation, and especially digital and practical effects. I get on my high horse there because 99.9% of talkbackers don't know what the fuck they're on about. <p> Yeah, Lucas had to settle/give credit with Jean "Moebius" Giraud for stuff on Empire too. Can't recall now but I think it was the spidery probe droid. As for Yamato/Star Blazers I don't think it was as overt as say, Dune, but yep Larson was canny to use it against him. I still think Larson should've lost because the most apparent stealing was in hiring key people like McQuarrie and Dykstra to replicate the look, the shapes and used universe aesthetic which I think trumps Yamato. But that's my subjective thing there and hey I'm not trying to raise any real opposition there! At least the biggest ripoff - Hidden Fortress was truly an homage and Lucas and Coppola did help the master out when he couldn't get anything made. Another one is Dam Busters. I actually think Lucas is more an editor than a director and when it comes to plagiarism it's all just puzzle pieces for the collage to him. He means well enough, but... Having said that I don't know why the prequels have such an awful flow, editing-wise. Not the scenes themselves (not letting your actors or even board artists know the preceding or following scenes will fuck things up royally because there's no context and therefore contrast or structural effectiveness), but the actual rhythm and flow. But hey, that's another one that's been debated ad-nauseam in many other TBs! <p> On Disney being a racist & Nazi supporter, I dunno any more. A lot of the fire there was taken out when the people pointing the fingers turned out to be sensationalists trying to sell product so the argument deflates a little. We'll probably never know the whole of it I guess. And it's "Absolute power corrupts absolutely" from memory. <p> And Up IS a great movie dude! C'mon! They went hardcore and committed to a story about an almost 80 year old dude! Probably less appealing as a concept than a rat in a kitchen! And even if you're gonna level the Saving Private Ryan argument at it, I argue that its Ryan moment was more ambitious than that movie and achieved in a couple of minutes what most live-action films can't achieve these days. My view anyway. Frog's fine and nowhere near the absolute tripe of say, Chicken Little. Happy Feet is a funny one, my judgement there is a little clouded. D.Vader probably knows why, heh (little in-joke)!
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BUT it's a TALKING DOGGG!!!
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It's sure not as bad as "Rapunzel Unbraided"! <p> In other news, Kick Ass tomorrow night! Woot!
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BRILLIANT! C'mon, this sounds like something Jon Peters would come up with, "Yeah, tiny little dot eyes on everyone... an'...an'... I want a gay robot and a giant spider in every script!"
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...Where's Harry's review of Princess and the Frog? There's not one! He obviously thought "...it was kind of meh." Case closed. Now, while I disagree with his method of choosing which films he'd like to acknowledge the existence of, I do have to say that it's his website and he can do whatever the hell he wants with it.
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...yet, somewhere in their arguments, disregard UP and Wall-E. Both of those were absolutely classic, beautifully constructed stories, animated with unbelievable skill. To not recognize that puts you on shaky ground, IMO. <P> I am also stunned that there isn't a HELL of a lot more discussion on here of Miyazaki... you know, the acknowledged master of 2-D? The man who NEVER gave up on this medium? <P> And, y'all can defend Eisner for bringing back animation from its coma after The Black Cauldron (because that is 100% true) but lets not forget Cinderella 2 etc., straight-to-DVD monstrosities. He brought Disney's animation legacy back to life, but turned it into Frankenstein's monster... before they turned it into a cookie-cutter process which gave us Mulan... before, ultimately, returning their 2-D animation to a coma again. <P> Disney will probabloy never be a force for animation again. Princess and the Frog looks beautiful, but its STILL the same routine for them. If they could just get away from MUSICALS, that might be a step in the right direction... but anyone suggesting a seriously edgy Disney is dreaming. They're WAY too attached to their Burger King merchandizing tie-ins.
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is evidence of why animation, in this country, has such a very limited audience. In Japan, Miyazaki's films are avidly viewed by ALL ages... in this country, they're often relegated to "kids' fare." (Read: Dollar Bird's post re: animation... there are a LOT of people like his sister, who feel that animation should be geared towards 4 to 7 year olds.) <P> With UP, Pixar went farther than it even had- farther than ANYONE had since the early years of Disney- to tell a story for adults as well as children. Not a kids' movie with references for adults, but a story that really was more adult, that dealt with adult issues. I would actually argue that that movie wasn't for kids... and kids under age 10 probably didn't get too much of Carl's story. I believe completely that the movie was marketed incorrectly... but then, that's Disney for you. They know from talent, for sure, but they have NO IDEA what that talent is doing... of course, that's what you get when you hire number-crunchers, with zero backround in what they're selling. I come across this all the time in the wine business... 90% of the salespeople out there are graduates of marketing school, but know jack shit about wine... "know your product" isn't really part of the equation. It's not even encouraged. Same deal with Disney, sadly.
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"...We've got a gang of dinosaurs to kill...."
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It's all a matter of opinion and I'm cool with that. I, and millions of others loved Up - but I wasn't talking about that movie. <p> All I merely said is that to say Princess and the Frog has largely bad animation just isn't correct. To say that is to say that Disney's best animation from the 90's is bad. Would you say that?<p> I accept you weren't fussed on the movie, that's cool. But the animation is terrific.
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You made some good points.<p> We're totally in agreement on Wall-E and Up btw.<p> I think Disney is caught between wanting to deliver hand-drawn fairy-tale musical films that they are renowned for (and no one else does better btw), whilst at the same time maybe wanting to do something different. <p> I don't think they can be accused for not trying to however in recent years. <p> Aladdin, for example, was an utter revelation when it came out. Changed animated films forever. Its hip, post-modern, thunderbolt feel really was innovative.<p> Frog was actually the first 'fairytale with songs' feature they'd made in quite some time. <p> I think once they're back and releasing a hand-drawn animated film every year again we'll see lots of different types of films, as we did throughout the 90's and first half of the 00's.
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i think the problem with Pixar is that they are distributed by Disney and people associate that with kiddie fare. (not me)..<P>remember that this was a studio who freaked out and created a sister studio to release adult fare(touchstone) so i really blame them for painting themselves into this corner...<P>PIXARs content has gotten further and further from kid fare IMO..<P>one films about a rat (not a cute friendly mouse) who wants to cook and be creative..(not really a trailblazer in your normal kids fantasies) and then you have a robot and fat people and then an old man as the main attraction...<P>kudos to them..disney was smart to keep them around...<P>loved BOLT by the way.
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Feb. 22, 2010, 9:56 a.m. CST
there was a nice DOC on TCM about the live action films of disne
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DVRd it..
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when ireland was bankrupt. they used to fill the schedules with inports from canada, like the edison twins and lolek and bolek(which was czeckoslovakia which is divided in two and czeck and slovak), and halas and bachelor cartoons and some obscure cartoons narrated by vincent price.
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. . . in Star Trek: First Contact.<p> Sad, really. ;-)
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for anyone who grew up in ireland in the 1980s. is Hamilton the musical elepahnt. which was shown after the 6'oclock news on rte one.
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Walt Disney did not support Hitler or the Nazi Party. You are so full of crap.
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Straight Dope article on Wald Disney: http://tinyurl.com/5yk2aj
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Will not be mentioned in this movie?
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I though Princess and The Frog was good but I long for the days of Heavy Metal, Nimh and Lady And The Tramp. Hopefully Lasseter will take a cue from the Japanese and not only do more hand drawn flicks like Satoshi Kon but more adult stories. There are so many good books and comics to to adapt in a 2D style its amazing what they AREN'T doing honestly.
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...Ralph Bakshi's Coonskin. We need more films like that! And that kind of thing will pack people into seats. People want to be shocked and surprised. Why do you think reality shows are so popular? Because people like sex, violence and dysfunction. These Hoarders shows for example are depressing as fuck but so many people watch them. People are tired of all the wussy crap that Hollywood keeps churning out. Fuck CGI. Give us old school 2D hand drawn with a Last Boy Scout/Shane Black style script and the movie will be a gigantic hit.
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of Belleville. Not a super stylised Disney look, but just great caricature. From memory I think the ending was a little weak but I loved pretty much everything else, not much dialogue so pretty palatable even to the non subtitle-reading middle-American contingent, and nice balance between the broad and quieter stuff. But mainly I just like good caricature which isn't overwhelmed by a 'house' look.
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...how the Lion King "coincidentally" matched a Japanese cartoon series.
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could it have a little less sleepy storyline? I can't stand animation that says "hey we're art" ... and "look at us an appreciate us for art sake... we don't need to have a compelling story... just one that's weird enough to keep your attention" <BR><BR>I am a huge 2D art fan and I almost fell asleep in that movie. Sooooo boring.
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Don't forget Disney history... they lost 11 of their senior animation staff when Don Bluth lead the great exodus from Disney because of how poorly they were treated and how Disney Execs were getting their fingers into everything ( sound familiar Pixar? )<BR><BR> Whether or not it was good for Bluth to leave, it certainly had a massive impact on what was to come. I'll bet big money it's never even mentioned in this documentary!
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Well we did a few times further up anyway. I always wish I'd bought that t-shirt that had Simba looking into a mirror/at Kimba with the caption "The Lying King".
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Feb. 22, 2010, 8:50 p.m. CST
FriendlyWaitress why does disney have to fulfill that?
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One are I disagree with you on is that Disney has to leave the musical genre. Why? While the animation you reference is truly awesome, why is it Disney's responsibility to deliver that? I don't understand why there aren't more world class animation studios in the US. TV cartoons have turned to utter shit because instead of leveraging the benfits of modern CG to make better TV cartoons, studios ( in the US ) simply use CG to make *cheaper* cartoons. <BR><BR> Surely there is more room than Disney/Pixar and "1 hit in 10" Dreamworks out there.
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Funny you talked about the Yamato defence - I wonder if that's what Disney's army of lawyers would have used if Tezuka had sued? "Well YOU ripped off that Bill Shakespeare guy TOO ya know!"...
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Except for Genndy Tartakovsky and Craig McCracken of course! <p> Speaking of which, does anyone know what Genndy's giant robot vs giant dinosaur thing is called again and when it's coming out?
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That thing took me completely by surprise. Went to see it at the last session (because it didn't make any money), and couldn't believe how great it was. Muppet-style cg, and just loads of fun and amazing timing. Got the Blu-ray and have watched it twice since. Mr T rocks.
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This from thestraightdope.com<BR><BR>Search The Straight Dope <BR><BR> A Staff Report from the Straight Dope Science Advisory Board Was Walt Disney a fascist? April 12, 2005 <BR><BR> Dear Straight Dope: <BR><BR> I've heard rumors on and off for years about Walt Disney. I've heard suggestions that he was a fascist, a communist, a racist and an antisemite. The first two are of course contradictory. Web searches didn't help to straighten out anything in my mind. Was he a political nut? Did he hate blacks and Jews? Or are these typical malicious lies we like to tell about great men so we don't have to feel so unaccomplished? <BR><BR> — Joseph Kenner, North Hollywood, CA<BR><BR> <BR><BR> <BR><BR> Hold it there, hoss. That's a lot of accusations for one letter. Let's try to break it down a bit and see if we can sort some things out here. <BR><BR> One of the more curious charges against Disney was that he was a secret Nazi. A few white supremacist groups still cherish this notion. Their best evidence is a misreading of the short film "Der Fuehrer's Face" (1943), in which Donald is seen in a Nazi uniform, swastikas and all. In the end we find out it's all a nightmare, but that doesn't dissuade the racists. A lesser-known short sometimes cited is 1932's "The Wayward Canary," in which Mickey is seen using a cigarette lighter with a swastika painted on the side. <BR><BR> This is all circumstantial at best, but other suggestive details have come to light. In 1933, the German American Bund was founded by Fritz Kuhn. Kuhn was evidently quite a character--he had met Hitler in the early thirties and reportedly was profoundly loathed by the Nazi leader. An association of German immigrants to America, the Bund had a definite pro-Nazi slant. Disney animator Art Babbitt claimed his boss had a strong interest in, if not outright sympathy for, the Bund: <BR><BR> In the immediate years before we entered the War there was a small, but fiercely loyal, I suppose legal, following of the Nazi party . . . There were open meetings, anybody could attend and I wanted to see what was going on myself. On more than one occasion I observed Walt Disney and [Disney's lawyer] Gunther Lessing there, along with a lot of prominent Nazi-afflicted Hollywood personalities. Disney was going to meetings all the time. <BR><BR> The German filmmaker Leni Riefenstahl, whose documentaries in the mid-30s had helped to glorify the Nazis, claimed that "after Kristallnacht [1938], she approached every studio in Hollywood looking for work. No studio head would even screen her movies except Walt Disney. He told her he admired her work but if it became known that he was considering hiring her, it would damage his reputation." <BR><BR> For the most part Disney doesn't appear to have had strong political views--his politics seemed to turn on whatever it took to keep his studio going. It's likely his interest in the German American Bund sprang from a desire to forge relationships with Germany for possible film distribution there. On the other hand, there was a lot of antisemitic feeling in the Disney studio. While no one can specifically attribute bias to Disney himself, Jewish people were ready fodder for the animators' gags and Disney approved every scene in every short the studio made. In one scene in the original version of "The Three Little Pigs," the Big Bad Wolf comes to the door dressed as a stereotypical Jewish peddler. Disney changed the scene after complaints from Jewish groups. They didn't catch them all, though. In the short "The Opry House" Mickey Mouse is seen dressed and dancing as a Hasidic Jew. <BR><BR> Disney did have heartfelt opinions about a few things--he was virulently anti-communist and he was suspicious of unions, much like other studio heads of his day. In 1941, a strike was called against the Disney studios by animators and other artists dissatisfied that they got no onscreen credit for their work and were paid less than animators at other studios. Walt felt his company was more of a family and that the camaraderie compensated for substandard wages. He considered the strike a result of the "growing Communist conspiracy" in the United States. The dispute ended bitterly and hardened Disney's conservative and anti-communist attitudes. <BR><BR> Eventually he was called before the House Unamerican Activities Committee as a friendly witness, naming names of suspected communists in Hollywood. (The complete transcript of his testimony can be read at www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/cold.war/episodes/06/documents/huac/disney.html.) There is some inconclusive evidence that he might have been an FBI informant. However, this allegation comes from Marc Eliot's book Walt Disney: America's Dark Prince, which, while largely factual, does have parts that could use a good debunking. So take this with a large dose of salt. <BR><BR> Sources <BR><BR> Watts, Steven, The Magic Kingdom: Walt Disney and the American Way of Life, 1997 <BR><BR> Eliot, Marc, Walt Disney: Hollywood's Dark Prince, 1993 <BR><BR> Cohen, Karl F., Forbidden Animation: Censored Cartoons and Blacklisted Animators in America, 1997 <BR><BR> Thomas, Bob, Walt Disney: An American Original, 1976 <BR><BR> — Eutychus <BR><BR> Staff Reports are written by the Straight Dope Science Advisory Board, Cecil's online auxiliary. Though the SDSAB does its best, these columns are edited by Ed Zotti, not Cecil, so accuracywise you'd better keep your fingers crossed.
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...why did he hire so many Jews? And why, when he's been called an anti-Semite, have many of those Jews (such as the Sherman brothers, the songwriters for such Disney films as "Mary Poppins") spoken out against it? And why did the B'nai Brith organization, which was formed specifically to fight anti-Semitism, give Walt an award? Also: The Dark Prince book has been pretty thoroughly debunked by more reliable sources, such as Walt's daughter and nephew, several of his employees, and various Hollywood actors and producers who knew him when. It'd be nice if this Walt-was-evil crap would just stop. But as long as doofs like Seth McFarlane think they can squeeze a joke out of it, and people like the poster above keeps trying to keep the lie alive, I suppose that's not likely to happen anytime soon...
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...a judge can't help one criminal benefit from another criminal. Say, a pimp is ripped-off by a prostitute, for instance? That pimp can't then go into court and say, "Your honor, this prostitute...who worked for me, illegally, didn't share profits from a John (a male client) with me, in the course of a crime, that being sex for money...so I am suing her for my cut of the 500 dollars she received in that ilegal act, although we had a oral contract". A judge can only look at that and say, "Both of you have committed crimes, and in the act of committing those crimes, one of you defrauded the other, therefore it would be illegal for this court to intercede and help one party, benefit over another, when both were engaged in acts of a criminal conspiracy, one which triggered this case in the first place, hence, I must throw this case out of court!" Well, in the spirit of that law, in the case of Lucas vs. Larsen, Lucas lost.
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If they really want a movie to give a male hero, then by all means talk to Andrew Lloyd Weber and make an animated movie of Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat. Can you really get better than a Weber - Rice musical? I don't think so.
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...were duped!!!
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...by Tang XianZu Kinda near source material for Sleeping Beauty..Except she'sdead and comes back to life... This was an interesting talkback..Lots of info..I appreciated reading it...
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..she lets out a wild one and gets banished from the kingdom..Kinda like the Prince and the Pauper but with a fart...Or maybye a cartoon version of "Trading Places"...Wait...that's the White House and the mainstream media cartoon...Still, anything with Eddie Murphy..People really WANT TO SEE!...Ya know?
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"Ratatoille" was a great film, and I was shock by its quality, and even that of "Happy Feet"--I find them both to be modern classics. I disagree about debating, I love the fact that you are opinionated, and are willing to stand-up to fight for it, and yes...I agree with you that there are a lot of idiots on AICN.com who are just shouting to hear themselves shout, but then again, most of the net is like that. <BR><BR>About Lucas, well, two women saved his first two "Star Wars" films, his wife--at the time, saved Star Wars through her final edit of the film, something that Lucas admits, and secondly, a female writer who was a famed SF author, who sadly died of cancer while finishing her work on Empire. Lawrence Kasdan got most of the credit, but she was responsible for most of the work that everyone was raving about, the stuff about wisdom and other Buddhist themes. Without her, "Return of The Jedi"...and later, the Star Wars prequels...were just...plain bad.<BR><BR>As for Disney, he use to spy on his employees and go through their wastepaper baskets, after hours, looking for things in the trash, notes, and what not, to use against them. He was a corporate bully much like Michael Eisner, and often cheated his employees, specfically his animators, with low wages.
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It seems to me that this talkback has more well thought out ideas and is more interesting and articulate in places than the article was. Poor effort Harry... and brilliant effort talkbackers!!!
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for some reason. i think its his commericiality that people dislike. Bar starlight express and by jeeves and the new Joesph. I have seen his work. Jesus christ is my personal. and I have never seen anything like the stage set for cats. the late maria bjornssons set for phantom really is the greatest thing I have ever seen.
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in the pipeline. written by tom stoppard. it ever happened. Elaine pages Memory. still remains the greatest performance by stage star. and don't forget dont cry for me argentina.
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I wonder if they interview him for the movie? He was offered to be head of animation and direct Alladin i think. That would have been something.
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are the princesses and love stories. As a kid I always rolled my eyes when the leads had that final theatrical kiss. Look at some of the best Disney films (IMHO) The Jungle Book: the fantastic story of a kid growing up surrounded by animals singing awesome songs or Dumbo: family/personal acceptance story with an adorable elephant and a psychedelic drunk scene. More recently, Lillo and Stitch was cute as hell and Aladdin worked because of the comedy in it. Disney should put away the template of "spunky princess meets guy, they banter and fall in love" and focus of more fantasy adventure stories.
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Eugene Lambert. Creator of bosco, Wanderely Wagon and the founder of Eugene Lambert puppet theatre, has died aged 82. He was the irish jim henson. He is survived by his wife Mai and his 8 children.
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on rte from 1967 - 1982. bosco is a legend.
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NAVAL GAZING: THE MOVIE!
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I'm sorry, if dolphins aren't getting slaughtered in your documentary, I'm NOT interested.
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Triplettes would have been ridiculous if "less sleepy" eh? That comment ignores what the film is, who the characters are and therefore the whole point. If it's not for you, fine, but "Soooo Boring" makes you sound like a teenaged valley girl with no attention span or appreciation for character. "Hey we're art" my arse. If they'd listened to you it would have been some mainstream Hollywood extreme sports bullshit. And then you call yourself a fan of 2d 'art'! Mixed messages man. The notion that they shoulda upped the testosterone in the metronome is just bullshit. Let's have more old-fashioned stuff and DIFFERENT stuff too. I thought you wanted difference as well? Well that inarticulate slam advocates more of the same old, same old. C'mon, dude! God knows what you thought of Fantastic Planet!!! Every bit as French in a different way.
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like I see em. Tripplettes is not the masterpice everyone wants it to be. If it were a 20 minute art film, it would have been great. It wasn't 20 minutes.<BR><BR> I think you might have been arguing with someone else if you think I'm a big fan of mainstream hollywood. But come on... what "character" development is there in Tripplettes? There are plenty of "characatures" , but that's OK. Each person in that film was meant to represent something. I get that. But it doesn't mean it's deep. Visually it was interesting, but that's not enough to hold you for 2 hours ( or 90 min in the case of Tripplettes IIRC ) <BR><BR> To each his own I guess. I am glad other studios ( Other than Disney I mean ) are out there advancing the medium. I just wish, in this case, that didn't come with being so boring.
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we are SO badass..
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Catch me up. What is this thread about?
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is a self congratulatory doc about how the 80s disney animation was floundering and how it made its triumphant comeback...<P>looks good...but im sure its gonna be sugarcoat the bad stuff...maybe even skip don bluth altogether...<P>watch the trailer...
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You got a better link?
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Bananas and blow-OH! Stuck in my cabana, livin' on bananas and blow!
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Feb. 24, 2010, 11:32 a.m. CST
Harry wants a Disney that'll appeal "primarily to adults."
by Subtitles_Off
Isn't that what James Cameron is for? Oh wait, "slave to a child's attention span." That counts him out.
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Disney Channel teen-singers in it.
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We're all subjective. I'm happy to agree to disagree. The slower pace reinforces the loneliness and long days of the kid and then his continued isolation in the hard slog of the tour (there's been so much evangelising of guys like Armstrong so that now people expect the whole thing's the same sort of extreme sport they see on ESPN). The minutia especially with the Grandma supports her provincial ways, same with the sleepy old dog, faded, petty, squabbling has-beens the triplettes and so on. I think that absolutely supports the slower pace of the thing, and to me it's therefore not indulgent or arty-farty at all. <p> Hey, it's not exactly a Tarkovsky flick, is it?! ;) <p> Finally, on a technical level, do you know why you don't generally see animated characters with long pointy noses and wide angle shots (most tv animation and even Miyazaki os pretty much isometric!)? Perspective in hand-drawn animation is bloody HARD! American stuff might have dencent noses but they'll be a copout like an oval shape or long vertically but not horizontally. I know this is super technical and geeky, but both through things like that AND the level of true caricature in the character designs absolutely advanced the medium. <p> I don't think you're a big mainstream fan, was just saying that your "it's Boooooring" slant sounds exactly the same as someone who IS that lowest common denominator mainstream person, that's all. Note I said it MAKES you sound that way, not that you necessarily are. And I stand by my previous comments too. <p> But hey, it's not that I'm just outright calling you names or anything dude. Cheers.
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Feb. 24, 2010, 11:41 a.m. CST
Vades suggestion of a Disney Frankenstein is interesting.
by Subtitles_Off
What about an all black-n-white, with hints of red and gold, animated Nosferatu, or, even better, Cabinet of Dr. Caligari with MC Escheresque background designs?
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as in big, but not challenging perspective-wise. DECENT. Duh...
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Those would be cool as shorts I think... Like they did back in the day...even something like they did with mickeys Xmas carol... And attach it to a film like pixar does...
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Boring my ass.
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http://popwatch.ew.com/2010/02/21/waking-sleeping-beauty-trailer-disneys-real-fairytale
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Boy, is he going to get a talking to.
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...good conversation.
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WHAT about Frankenstein makes it ideal for HAND-DRAWN animation as opposed to live-action? Not saying it's ridiculous, just asking. <p> Oh and btw did you know ILM had their own internally generated CG Frankenstein movie in development about a decade ago where it was supposedly based on Wrightson's stuff? They were getting sick of generating money for OTHER people and wanted something they could own. From memory I think Uni were supposed to distribute or something and bailed so when things crashed and burned ILM were super pissed off and Uni had to make it up to them by awarding them big shows for a while whether they were as competitive as other quotes or not. Anyway that's how my dodgy memory recalls it...
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Still not acceptable.
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Feb. 24, 2010, 11:52 a.m. CST
..."Perspective in hand-drawn animation is bloody HARD!"...
by FlickaPoo
...truth.
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Imagine having the balls to animated Chaplin's Tramp and set him on a series of adventures. Disney and Pixar could sell series of shorts in all sorts of styles, from "G-rated" to "PG-13" to theaters who could then play them instead of that fucking bombastic National Guard Recruitment propaganda. <P>People might go to the theater just to catch the pre-show.<P>I also want a return of the serial, dammit. That's how DC Comics and Marvel should market their characters. Nobody wants NAMOR BEGINS, I don't care what you think.
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It won't last long. Getting fucked over by a client and up at almost 5 in the morning while sending off emails. I'll be slagging everyone off pretty shortly!
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http://tinyurl.com/yjzkzfq
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...FUTURE BOY CONAN? I keep trying to find another human who has seen it...no luck yet.
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...you mean it's Wednesday?
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At AMC they used to run loony toons before the film...
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you could argue against hand-drawn gothic sets and retro-science labs. I don't think the subject matter has to be "ideal" to suit the medium. An animation style incorporating a design based on wood-etching would be mind-blowing. <P>Remember, the argument is the advance of hand-drawn animation and the inclusion of styles beyond the "big-eyed" Disney style. (A style, by the way, that Your Lord Cameron plagiarized for his latest, so careful how you denigrate it, boys. ((Not you, specifically, white_vades, but anyone with a knee-jerk anti-old-fashioned-Disney prejudice who then admits a boner for AVATAR must be suffering multiple personality disorder.)))
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I always have the first typo when we BMAF!
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Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, YES! The movies will continue to compete with TV with 3D and "immersion," sure, but why not "enhance the experience" even more while dumping the damned commercials?
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...Bernie Wrightson's FRANKENSTEIN?<P>Pretty impressive I thought.
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for studios to test out their up and coming stars.
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I have a big honking hardcover of it on my bookshelf.
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...shorts before a movie. I swear you can feel the mood in the theater improve immediately.
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How do you correctly spell that anyway?
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...my man.<P>Nothing like hard covers.
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Did you watch it? Did it work? Is it secret? Is it safe?
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Now tell me "AMC, exclusive home of Pixar and Disney short films™" wouldn't make some of us go to their chain rather than Kerasotes?
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Did I watch which?
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...to see it as an incubator for upstarts too.
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You got your "Hard-R" audience covered.
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Stop-motion shorts.
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I say the second one but tedders corrected me and said the third one
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...pair the short with an appropriately rated feature.
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Short docs, short sports, short comedies, student shorts. <P>Daisy Dukes' short shorts.
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The trailer
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that's the one I was talking about when mentioning the failed ILM cg version to Subs. <p> And Subs, gotcha. After seeing that Fears of the Dark animated anthology (I think that's what it was called), either the Charles Burns or Richard McGuire stuff would work awesomely well for Frank in terms of effective visual style. And sure, a Wrightson one too, cg OR hand-drawn. <p> I'm off to bed for a few hours. Whee!
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I agree with whomever above said this will only tell the first half of an interesting story. The second half would document how it all fell apart amongst that "perfect storm of artists" when they got some money in their pockets and began to bicker like brats.
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An anthology of short films, the best of which animated a pitch-black room.
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of QT's the Bride with studio 4 uh, c or d or whatever they're called? <p> Oops. No. Bed. Bedddd.
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and you got the "hyperlocal" stuff covered.
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It's a need.
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...Sarasota FL. The fact that Disney grabbed a lot of people from there was the initial attraction.<P>By the time I graduated I didn't even apply...Disney already looked like wage-slavery at that point.
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encourage the renaissance of music video.
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Feb. 24, 2010, 12:28 p.m. CST
i think animation is wage-slavery for the most part, Flick.
by Subtitles_Off
You have to spend years risking hand-cramps drawing slight variations of the same dog, in order to get promoted into the room where the really creative stuff goes down.
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Feb. 24, 2010, 12:29 p.m. CST
...yeah, Colonel...most arthouse theaters where I live...
by FlickaPoo
...are in cool little artsy-fartsy towns. I bet people would love it if you could show shorts by local talent from time to time.<P>I wonder if digital projectors would make that more possible? I'm technologically illiterate.
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Spike Jonze would agree.
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...thanks Subs.
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...correct mid-life-crisis theory.<P>I don't have the time to get into it today...and I'm not sure the person is a serious contender...
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Surely, they already show short films before the feature at Arclight Cinemas.
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of which thou speaketh?
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...Bilbo is a Hobbit who NEVER went out into the world to seek adventure...and his life could hardly be more settled in a more comfortable rut.
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The guy/gal reveals itself to be a literalist wanker by essentially saying it's just about a hobbit surviving a dragon. Not worth the time or energy to argue.
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Feb. 24, 2010, 12:42 p.m. CST
Think of a short serial as the trailer for a movie...
by Subtitles_Off
Instead of all this quick-cut, give-away-all-the-secrets nonsense we've got now, use a series of shorts to lay the back-story for an upcoming feature. Pique peoples' interests with characters and situations, and, yet, ruin nothing about the upcoming main event.
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...no fancy dashes required.
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as it were, dropped from the middle of the word.
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with your fancy dash. Think you're special?
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I was just brain-storming.
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Is called the sweatbox directed by mrs. Sting....Good luck finding it
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...mid↔life crisis? mid▬life crisis? mid~life crisis? mid≈life crisis?...to dress it up a little?
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a novel called Farragan's Retreat?
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you were complaining about the navigating at Googleville being confusing!<P>Pish, you. And posh.
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Sadly, it's out of print, but used copies are very affordable on Amazon. <p>The author, Tom McHale, had a brief moment of literary stardom in the 70s following his debut PRINCIPATO (another good one) and FARRAGAN'S RETREAT. Unfortunately, he drank himself into obscurity and killed himself in 1983.
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Feb. 24, 2010, 12:57 p.m. CST
...vaguely Colon-El. Is it relatively new? I feel as though...
by FlickaPoo
...I read a blurb or review about is somewhere...
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This time the NBC interviewer gets to ask him, "Are you stupid?"
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...on that guy recently. Sad story. Lots of talent...just couldn't seem to get any traction in life.<P>Gave me chills really. Quite a cautionary tale.
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that Johnny Depp has gotten all wrapped up in?
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http://tinyurl.com/ygwzdn6 <p>http://tinyurl.com/yjvqrne
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Feb. 24, 2010, 1:01 p.m. CST
...and by "recently" I mean within the last three years...
by FlickaPoo
...speaking of midlife mid~life crisis...
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Jaclyn Smith and Ann-Margret to appear in the same episode of "SVU."
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The football player whose brain was destroyed by football playing.
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get a hold of that article.
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He and Jake Gyllenhaal both turned down [deleted].<P>http://tinyurl.com/yekhk6v<P>Well done, both of you. Now, regarding PRINCE OF PERSIA, Jake, can I see you for a sec over at the side of the room?
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...it was a few years ago I think.
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I just wish the movie wasn't going to be directed by Gary Ross.
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...sometimes I can't remember if an article was New Yorker or The Atlantic, but I'm getting zip on both...<P>I'm sure I read it. He had a whole strange relationship with his wife or something...right?
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maybe damon too...
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...ABOUT THE KENNEDYS YOU NEED...<P>ASK HOW MANY MOVIES AND DOCUMENTARIES ABOUT THE KENNEDYS NEED YOU!
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is "tougher" than Matt Damon or Jake Gallpagosislands?<P>Bwah-ha-ha-ha.
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no i think sam worthington is pretty new to the game adn therefore is naive enough to be molded into anything Cam wished...<P>furthermore matt prolly didnt want to leave his wife and kids and jake was trying to get it on with reese...
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no way in hell could jake and matt handle that animal...
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I wish I had Nexis Lexis.
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neither Matt nor Jake were all that interested in being turned into cartoon characters for the big-budget remake of FERNGULLY. So much for the future of movies.
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lessee which gets better reviews..avatar or PoP
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I think classic literature lends itself better to animation, often, than live action. Imagine MOBY DICK, HUCK FINN, the works of Poe, Thurber's 13 CLOCKS or Lofting's DOLITTLE books.
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so the field is fair.
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After that, we can compare CLASH OF TITANS to the Bourne movies and BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN.<P>Jebus!
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China. China. China. China. China. China. China. China. China. China. China. China. China. China. China. China. China. China. China. China. China. China. China. China. China. China. China. China. China. China. China. China. China. China. China. China. China. China? China. China. China. China. China. China. China. China. China. China. China. China. China. China. China. China. China. China. China. China. China. China. China. China. <P> http://tinyurl.com/chinachina
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id agree with ya about the literary works being ripe..but look how disney handled HUNCHBACK..not a bad film per se.. but what a downer...and the comic relief gargoyles..yikes...other than that..i think its prolly the one of the best animated films of that time..they should have gone the full nine and just made it straight up than cater to the mickey d's crowd..who in the end hated it anyway..
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Even if [deleted] wins an Oscar, it can still be brain-dead junk.
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no we cant do that...we can basically only compare their respective films that they were working on at the time..<P>matt basically chose to work on the INFORMANT...and jake..well he chose reese..and PoP...
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Sorry, I didn't respond. I didn't see it 'til this morning. By then, you'd figured everything out already.
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but i dont want it to win..i actually want IB or hurt locker to win...<P>as Cams said..give it to someone else, he already has some...hahahhahahah
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i shuttered the windows by then and cried in the corner..i thought i was alone..thank god...
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Actually, I think it has the best music in any Disney film of this period. I found a lot more in it to enjoy than I did in MULAN or POCAHONTAS.
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But how long until the top is at the bottom and everything turns sideways? <P> It's only a matter of time, you know.
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Disney's 'Cabinet of Dr.Callgirl'. <P> But that's just me.
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A mis-firing attempt to do for stone sculpture what they did for chinaware in BEAUTY AND THE BEAST.
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GM's sale of the brand fell through, and it's starting to "wind down" production!
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It's about time for Ahnold to glorify some new brand of vehicle for the post-steroids, small-balled man.
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hunchback is pretty good..just mismarketed...yer right about the songs and animation though..<P>mulan was good..and how they modeled it on old asian art...
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thats the shit (caligari) that burton was trying to do at disney back in the day...
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Feb. 24, 2010, 2:03 p.m. CST
Some drunk rednecks cooking mushrooms wrapped in bacon and ribs.
by anonymoose
A million times more entertaining than the Food Network. <P> http://tinyurl.com/y9znfvc
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as motionless stone statues that Quasi only imagined he could have conversations with. He could imagine them as "real" and they'd appear as a dragon, a devil, whatever they were, but whenever anyone else was around they'd just be stone.<P>Would've been the first meta-textual Disney cartoon.
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He didn't mis-spell "Caligari." he meant "Call-girl."
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recently..and she noted that they are soooo mean to "quasi" and frollo isnt a nice person.
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jsut flew by me on that one.
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Be funny to yell "Glenn Beck's a fucktard, and Junior is a homo" at that dude and watch him get up to chase you and fall off his leg.<P>Of course, he'd probably just shoot you.
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was the "honest" alternative to the HUMMER. Fat idiots (I'm a fat intellectual) who thought they were still muscular freaks and were keen on constantly reliving their glory days would drive HUMMERs to feel all muscle-y. FJ Cruisers are to HUMMERS as middle-aged, flabby former steroid users are to steroid-using bodybuilders in their glistening, chiseled prime.
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You sure there isn't something you want to confess to your fiancee?
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Oh wait, we were talking about the Gargoyles in Hunchback? I thought they were a neat addition and like to pretend they only existed in his head. <p> All those times they fought against soldiers? All in Quasi's head. Like Tyler Durden, he "saw" them acting out things he was actually doing. And he moved them around like they were mobile. <p> It works.
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...steroid-using bodybuilders in their glistening, chiseled prime...but I gotta run.
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Is fucking EPIC. I turn up my speakers everytime that song plays on my iPod.
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Made my own animations in middle school. I waffled between Disney animator and paleontologist before setting on filmmaker and deciding I'd one day make my own animated movie about dinosaurs.
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Feb. 24, 2010, 2:14 p.m. CST
Hey, I'm not the one talking about small balls, Subs.
by ColonelFatheart
I was merely playing off your metaphor.
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What a great combination indeed. Adios, Flick.
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...is most shameful mother in da world. <P> http://tinyurl.com/2c4r69
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Since we're talking animation, I just wanted to throw out my fave Disney film.
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One of those flicks I remember being so epic and awesome as a kid, only to watch it much later on and realize it's no such thing. Still very cool, though.
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...drawing, reading, studying art-history, lifting, running, and eating rice, oatmeal, fruit, vegetables, and eggs.<P>I think I fancied myself some sort of warrior monk or Faust type character.<P>Sometimes I miss the illusions of youth.
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lots of reading, lots of flirtation with religions, lots of sleeping on floors. I have to admit an austere student's life still holds its appeal over me.
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Feb. 24, 2010, 2:27 p.m. CST
Yeah I too remembered Great Mouse Detective as being epic...
by D.Vader
More epic than it was when I rewatched it last fall. <p> But I had TOTALLY forgotten about the crazy Rube Goldberg trap Rattigan put Basil into. I had completely forgotten it, and when it all played out, this memory was JOLTED out of my head, of the picture book I had as a kid of the movie, and how I stared at those pages featuring the mousetrap, crossbow, axe, anvil, etc etc. I stared at those pages over and over I feel, the way seeing the scene play out made me remember. It was a weird experience.
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Ratigan holds up as a villain for me, prolly because of Vincent Price's voice work. And the way the flashing lightning illuminates his crazed, maniacal face at the end.
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During youth basketball games when sitting on the bench, I used to meditate and think that my Power of Positive Thinking could turn the tide of the game in favor of my team. <p> I still do this. And I still kinda sorta believe it works at times. Now I put hexes and curses on people that piss me off when on the road. Its a much better way for me to handle my road rage, and I actually do believe those people get what's coming to them as soon as they disappear out of my scope.
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http://tinyurl.com/yghvpjw
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and then he figured, "Eh, there aren't any real hot-chicks running around in cat-shaped spandex."
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I seemed to remember scenes that weren't there when I watched it again recently. I do love how at the end, despite fighting it the entire movie, Rattigan gives into his Rat-nature and goes bugnuts crazy on Basil. That maniacal look Ted mentions is great.
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...and a significant chunk of the reading was religion and philosophy. <P>Being comfortable on the floor never stops being useful.
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For years at another message board full of the original AICN message boarders after they left AICN. I talked about how Bruce Wayne was a perfect specimen mentally and physically. Then they all told me I was wrong bc he was such an obsessive and controlling nutzo. <p> Either way, I didn't end up taking martial arts or becoming a great detective. But I did have an awesome six-pack for a long time there, and I'd still like to think I'm a bit smarter than those around me. Which is why I hate losing at Bar Trivia =P.
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...HA! I turned something of a corner one day when a cute girl asked me to a party and I said no because I wanted to finish a book that night and I had an early workout planned for the next day...<P>It took me full hour to realize...WHAT THE FUCK??!!<P> Talk about putting the cart before the horse...I swore to never put books and discipline between me and a pair of breasts ever again.
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"The long story short? My parents taught me if you get f---ed and you don't want to get f---ed, then you start screaming. And that's what happened. I got lied to, I got f---ed over and I started complaining. And the airline was like, 'Well, something did happen — but he is fat and fat people should buy two seats.' And they put the information out there side by side and made it about weight. But it wasn't about weight — it was about a dude who bounced me for no reason, except maybe he didn't like a joke I told him on my way down the Jetway." <P> "First they were like, 'The pilot told us you have to get off because you're a safety concern.' I was like, 'Are you kidding me? Tell me the pilot's name.' And they lied — they lied again and again ... two days later, they told me, 'The pilot didn't say it, some employee made the call.' And I was like, 'OK, so it had nothing to do [with my weight],' because I could put my armrests down. I literally sat in the seat for five seconds before this chick — who had been all the way up at the desk in the airport — came over. If I just hit my seat and she's saying the pilot wants me off, I was like, 'Where'd you get that message, ma'am?' She's like, 'Well, the pilot told me.' And I can't even see the pilot! I'm sitting in the front row of the bulkhead — if I can't see the pilot, how can he see me? <P> "She's like, 'Well, we have phones.' And I'm like, 'Well, I know you have phones, ma'am. But I'm telling you — I literally sat and here you are.' She said, 'Can you please just come with me?' The lie compounds; the lie compounds. <P> "I go outside, I'm like, 'Give me more information,' and she's like, 'The pilot, the pilot.' Two days later, Southwest is going, 'It wasn't the pilot.' But they don't change that on their blog — they don't point out that they've changed the information. <P> "Everyone's going, 'He's fat' for the next f---ing three days; the top of Google News is everyone in the world telling me I'm fat. Everyone on network [TV] telling me I'm fat; 'Entertainment Tonight' put a f---ing chick in a fat suit and put her on a plane. I'm like, 'What does this have to do [with anything]?' <P> "Ladies and gentlemen, I don't know how many ways to say this: For 15 years, I've been completely honest with everybody. I believe in honesty. And I've been saying I'm fat for 15 years. This ain't about being fat — they obfuscated the f---ing truth with my fat, which really bums me out. They used my own fat against me. They hid behind my fat. And that's my job — to hide behind my fat. <P> "The [fat story] is the sexy story that everybody wants to write ... I was so mad at the press because for 15 years I've done nothing but tell you the truth and give you interesting sh-- to write about. And this one time, when you could have come to my aid, all you did was let me dangle and let these f---ers call me fat. Heartbreaking, heartbreaking." <P> Full article (also about Cop Out): http://tinyurl.com/ykmrmtk
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Running. Lots and lots of running. For me anyway. Maybe it's the way I ran or something. Either way, I stopped running and the six-pack vanished.
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...summers and full time for two years after graduation. We would throw forty five pound hay bales all day, six days a week. My hands looked and smelled like feet.<P>Only time in my life I could run indefinitely...just head out for a run with no clear destination or number of miles to run...
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Bob's Package Liquors. It's right across the street.<P>Bob gets lonesome at times.<P>I'm gonna go say howdy and pick his spirits up. <P>And bring some of them home with me.
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But he's got a movie out and they're not putting the spotlight on him for once, so I guess he had to find a way to get the spotlight on him.
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what do you think of the doc from the thread?<P>it looks like they bad mouth GMD...<P>they just dont know. man.
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Come back soon Subby.
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did he pull a gump?
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I really doubt it was a publicity stunt.
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I haven't checked it out. The only thing I know about the doc is from your description above, when everybody got here. <P> I don't know why they'd go out of their way to badmouth GMD, tho. I suppose to them it has to represent the nadir of Disney's animation so they get their happy ending when Aladdin comes out, or whatever. <P> Whatever.
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...before the incident. It's not really HIS movie.
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Subs, they do have shorts, they're called movie trailers and there's a ton of them before every movie. Plus most theaters have half hour infomercials before the trailers. But, seriously, they tried bringing back shorts in the 90s, playing Looney Tune cartoons and I guess it wasn't successful.
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That will work them out well.
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I'm not saying the whole thing is a sham, but the timing of it is very suspect, to me. I'm saying he's blowing it way out of proportion because he's sore about the promotion of his new movie.
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He's in agreement with the way they're handling it.
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Fire in disguise!
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I'm just going with my gut here. I don't have any facts or evidence or anything to throw at you, and you seem pretty sure of yourself. <P> So you win, I guess.
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Fire in the bowl!
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You gotta give me that.
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The details tell a different story, though.
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they didnt actually come out and blasst it but they did say it was bad times for disney..as they show a clip of GMD...<P>but of the early to mid 80s disney fare..i think GMD as the best...
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well the timing is suspect cause hes flying around alot to do publicity for it?<P>and hes also on tour doing his spoken word shit or whatevs that is...<P>hes in houston in the beginning of march...
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watch the trailer..<P>its just makes me giddy about stories like this..<P>i think its john lasseter..you cant help but grin at him..i betcha he would be a fun boss..
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I think he is totally milking this thing. And he may have even staged it, inspired by the guy who lost his bags and made those YouTube videos.
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http://tinyurl.com/yky7hp6
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The kicked-off-the-plane incident wasn't a pub stunt, but the wringing of hands crying "heartbreaking, heartbreaking" is a stunt with a capital PUB.
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Now you're talking my language!
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Movie trailers are advertisements.
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though i would qualify WHERE THE WILD THINGS ARE as a mini masterpiece...
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But, I'm with you for theaters playing short films instead of the cable tv infomercials they pipe in now.
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Homicide Detectives have been called.<P>"Where's Stabler?" asked Benson.<P>"Aw, you know Stabler," sneered Finn. "Any excuse to put on a speedo. That white dude is so into hisself!"
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I have support! <P> Sixies, I'll have to wait until I get home to watch the trailer. No sound and all...
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And drag it to the bottom of the pool and rip it to pieces. <p> Then one whale spent some time spitting up fish guts at the local gulls, hoping to lure them closer to the water's edge where it could grab some of them. <p> We can't say they didn't warn us...
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Couldn't they show a clip from 'Rescuers Down Under' instead of GMD. <P> Now THAT'S a piece of shit.
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Feb. 24, 2010, 3:21 p.m. CST
Sorry, I always confuse my CSIs and my Law and Orders.
by Subtitles_Off
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that this line of work can be ... killer." Cue sunglasses and "YEAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!"
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...brutally so, sometimes. I'll take his word for it.
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awesome
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"it looks like the whale was trying to get to the under...tow"<P>cue sunglasses and YEAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!
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But I'm just saying that he'd probably prefer that his movie has a big opening. And anything he can do to call attention to himself (and by extension, his new movie), can only be good for business.
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No way! I loved that flick as a kid! John Candy as Orville's brother Wilbur! That awesome giant Golden Eagle! George C. Scott voicing the villain! Man, I want to see it again talking about it like this...
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almost as much as the Late Night Wars.
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Cue sunglasses and "YEAHHHHH!!!"
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he would have let this story die and settled his dispute with the airline privately. It's embarrassing that you are so morbidly obese that you're kicked off an airplane.
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the trophy ... in the Bag." Cue sunglasses and "YEAAAHHHHHH!!!"
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Aaargh.
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I'm just sore about GMD. I don't think I've even seen Rescuers Down Under, actually.
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He's milking this thing for all it's worth, and I find it rather shameful.<P> I really think it irks him that his name is nowhere to be found in the advertising campaign for the movie. <P> I'll still go see it this weekend, tho.
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I thought this movie was called Walking Sleeping Beauty as in Sleep Walking Beauty.
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It was a slog, to say the least. Three hours in and he's still up on stage sweating profusely (it was hot in there) answering esoteric questions about the Askewniverse, and it didn't look like there was an end in sight. I mean, I have to give him props for his endurance and for indulging his fans so much, but it was only for the truly hardcore. I'm surprised future Mrs. Colon-El and I stuck around that long.
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Who got the rape kit all wet?"<P>Cue sunglasses and YEEEEAAAAAAHHHHHH!
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at this point. Looks like a Rush Hour ripoff. Unless you guys tell me otherwise.
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I won't... be able... to take it! <p> YEAAAAAAAAA-AAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!
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I'm surprised you still have a future Mrs. Colon-El after that.
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He wasn't kicked off the plane because he was fat. He was already seated in ONE seat, with both armrests down. Morbidly obese? I'm just going to assume you're pulling my leg. <P> He was probably kicked off because he said something that one of the flight attendants overheard and didn't like.
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Kevin Smith. I had long quit calling myself a Kevin Smith "fan" at that point, but she liked the "Evening With" DVDs, particularly the anecdotes about his time working on SUPERMAN and his encounters with Prince. That night turned her off big time, though.
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Maybe they run longer in person?
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Those DVDs are heavily edited.
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Those "Evenings" take on more of a creepy fan-boy convention atmosphere. It all depends on the audience.
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I think I'll skip it. It's not like it's really a Kevin Smith movie anyway.
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and he may not be morbidly yet, but he's definitely obese.
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Considering that the "Evening" in question took place in his home base of Red Bank, NJ, just blocks from the Secret Stash, it was thick with that creepy fan-boy convention atmosphere.
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What more is there to the Askewverse other than Jay and Silent Bob and Ben Affleck?
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...but I tend to believe what he says. He's not afraid to admit failures on his part or be honest about something that looks bad for him.
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Feb. 24, 2010, 3:54 p.m. CST
In a way, it was like a like a nerdy Springsteen concert.
by ColonelFatheart
Since he's "home" with his "true fans," the audience expects so, so much more.
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Jay and silent bob
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The "Office" dude? That's gotta be bullsh!
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The question lines seemed to grow as the evening ground along.
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Holy shit.
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So I'ma gonna see it.
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The dude can emote. <P> He could bulk up for the role. I could see it.
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http://tinyurl.com/yzma6n5
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My enthusiasm for the Captain America movie needs a shot of Super Soldier Serum now. <P> The Office guy? Really? He's as inspiring as my swingline stapler.
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An older darker disillusioned Cap.
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http://tinyurl.com/yhbpmv2 <p>He'll use Byrne's Man of Steel series as a baseline.
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Captain America requires the blonde hair, chiseled features, square jawed, jock-next-door, himbo look.<P>That does not describe "Jim" of "Jim-n-Pam."
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back in the day. Way back in the day.
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http://tinyurl.com/yz6tzqb
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Goyer's a dullard. His writing credit on THE DARK KNIGHT is a courtesy credit, I'm certain of it.
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It would be great to see him break that mold.
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nose and eyes.
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Fuck it. Why not?
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not one good choice for Cap on the list. if they go with chace crawford i'll move to canada<p>Crazy Heart was awesome.<p>Seven Samurai was awesome.<p>So if i trip, fall, and hit my head in the woods will the papers say I died in a grizzly bear attack? It said the broad drowned, not that the whale jumped out of the water and swallowed her whole. did i miss something or is this just sensationalized.
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If Ben Stiller can bulk up why can't Owen.
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Or at least that's what the article says Goyer/Nolan are going for. Luthor and Brainiac. Could be interesting. I'm still iffy on Goyer, though.
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That's my pick, but The Spirit prolly voided his chances of playing ANY comic book character ever again.
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Feb. 24, 2010, 4:12 p.m. CST
I think people get preoccupied with the look of Superhero actors
by anonymoose
If you want to have a chance at making a good superhero movie, you have to start with a good actor for the lead. John is a great actor. I say cast him.
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was shaking her violently in the water. There's always a bit of sensationalism with these stories, though. Fox News, for instance, was playing up the fact that the trainer was "female" for some reason.
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Because Stiller & Wilson are all set to play Blue Beetle and Booster Gold in the most awesomest movie that'll ever play inside of my head.
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Only 25 years too late, tho.
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he can be all cgi'd mo-cap and then they don't need and actor. Putty from Seinfeld can do the voice.
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Mike Vogel by default, I guess, because he has a dimple in his chin.<P>I predict it now, CAPTAIN AMERICA will have Marvel fans pining for the good old days of the SILVER SURFER movie.
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Not playing Cap.
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Too much coffee, not enough food.
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that wasn't in the article i read. It just said she slipped and drowned.
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Robert Downey, Jr., in an AVENGERS movie.<P>John Krasinski is the only one from that list that would stand half a chance. He's probably in-the-bag.
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Feb. 24, 2010, 4:20 p.m. CST
Of course, the actor has to be in shape and a certain type, Col.
by anonymoose
I'm saying that, of those choices, John Krasinski is the best actor to go with. There is a preoccupation with the way that a Superhero actor must look, though. Going that way leads to Daredevil, Fantastic Four, etc...
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http://tinyurl.com/yznvzvj <p>The sheriff still categorizes it as a "drowning," but that eyewitness account sounds pretty riveting. And she wouldn't have simply drowned if she had just slipped into the tank since there are other trainers around her.
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Feb. 24, 2010, 4:22 p.m. CST
Killer whales literally tear a pelican to pieces during show.
by anonymoose
http://tinyurl.com/yjcd9vo
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Still wrong for the part.
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<FONT COLOR=RED>testing
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I'll never stop saying it.
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http://tinyurl.com/yhncdoj <P> Same guy: http://tinyurl.com/yzlf6wg
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fan-boy über-fave Christopher Nolan to jump-start their flailing Superman franchise. The result?<P>"Superman, really? There's no way I can make 'im Bond-like, is there? Ah, knackers. Ah well, no need to really get in a big mental ruckus. I'll just do what I did the last time. It seemed to work."<P>Moments later, the phone rings.<P>"Hello?"<P>"'Ello, David, mate, can you take a look at a couple of those ol' funny books you're always goin' on n' on about and whip me up something Supermannish."<P>"Oh sure I can boss. Already did it fifteen years ago, boss. You sure you don't want something a little more original?"<P>"Eh, does he have a car?"<P>"He flies, boss?"<P>"Oh, well, whatever. Something with a robot, then. You're a mate."
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Or however you say his name. Nothing about Krazinski says "intimidating" to me.
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Or the terrorists win.
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http://tinyurl.com/yf85aas
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"he body of a naked man was found scratched, bruised and draped over Tilikum's back in July 1999. The man, 27-year-old Daniel Dukes, reportedly made his way past security at SeaWorld, remaining in the park after it had closed. Wearing only his underwear, Dukes either jumped, fell or was pulled into the frigid water of Tilikum's huge tank." <p>
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To make sure there's no funny business going on.
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I do give him credit for his subtlety. "Dedicated to a very special person." Shots of footprints.<P>Um, any resemblance to a certain Christy poster is strictly intended.
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I want him to blow me.
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Typing in the dark.
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Nice
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6:51:18
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Maybe that dude was trying to surprise sex the whale's blowhole.
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http://tinyurl.com/yd3duru
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Holloway's character on LOST, compared to Krasinski's on The Office, is closer to Cap, is what I meant, of course.
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than I had thought. Jesus Christ.
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Those animals have been tortured into submission and are more miserable than circus elephants.
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Kills the germs that give you bad breath!
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JEEZUS FUCKING CHRISTO!!!
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PLANET OF THE APES re-boot right there.
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APES reboot. With real apes who've been fed a steady diet of wine and xanax.
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And I don't even want to see what that lady looks like now.
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They'd end up doing it CGI. There goes your verite.<P>But, yeah, it'd be awesome. Have the "documentary" footage narrated by someone revealed only at the end, in full-on Roddy-McDowell-as-Ceasar regalia. There's your twist ending.
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There have been more excellent movie pitches in here today than there will be in Hollywood all this year!
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told from a perspective sympathetic from the apes.
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Are Orcas (Orci?) supposed to revolt? Hunger strike?
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http://tinyurl.com/yf7l6m5
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Movie shorts and serials.<P>Colon-El's PARANORMAL APE-TIVITY.<P>And here I sit, broke and depressed.<P>We should be running Hollywood, boys!
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When she went on Oprah. Uhhhh, trust me, if you think you don't wanna see what she looks like, you DON'T wanna see what she looks like.
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Instead of up into the air, Orca #1 flips wet-suited college intern directly into the jaws of Orca #2.
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Now that'd be worth the price of admission.
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"PARANORMAL APE-TIVITY"! Sixies, give the trophy back to Subs.
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My lunch break's coming up soon.
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Instead of the bean-counters who've driven creativity underground.
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It's pretty gnarled and sad.
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And let's get to marching!
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its this kind of thing that always kept dc second best in my book
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Feb. 24, 2010, 5:05 p.m. CST
I still respectfully disagree with White Vader on Frankenstein..
by D.Vader
As an animated film. Just because you could do it all live-action doesn't mean it still couldn't be wonderful when animated. <p> An animated film shouldn't be predicated on the fact that it can do things live-action can't. At this point, there's isn't much live-action can't do.
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$200 million to make Moby-Dick on an actual whaling vessel out at sea. That's why I'd never be able to run a studio.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider-Ham
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...first happened...the first responders had to get PTSD counseling...one woman said that in all her years she'd never seen anything like it.<P>I never trust anyone's pet around my kid. <P>"Oh, my dog doesn't bite"<P>Yeah, whatever. Fuck you.
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http://tinyurl.com/y8lc7q2
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had the acid thrown in her face. she has had a ton of plastic surgery though. still tough to look at.
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That poor fucking cop.
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http://tinyurl.com/ydqnjj8<P>My point is, comics are supposed to be fun, and neither company has cornered the market on stupid.
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Feb. 24, 2010, 5:11 p.m. CST
Chimps are known to become more hostile as they get older.
by anonymoose
Dogs are much safer, depending on the breed and how they're treated. A chihuahua is a safe bet.
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...but I'm sure I'll read the update.
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...they're cute and harmless even when they're angry.
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was great and the songs were top notch.
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to back-track a little.
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those are clear jokes. He-man and Superman..not so much. Maybe is Spidey wa sin G.I. Joe.
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I'll have to backtrack and read through the rest of that convo.
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http://tinyurl.com/yz7e24v
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Those that are hating on PRINCESS AND THE FROG are playing "too cool for school."<P>That movie was easily as good as CORALINE and FANTASTIC MR. FOX, and by saying that, I am not denigrating either of those movies, either.
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Feb. 24, 2010, 5:15 p.m. CST
Did I tell you guys about the Moby Dick retell Danny Glover?
by D.Vader
Danny Glover plays Ahab chasing after Moby Dick, the White Dragon, in a fantasy version of the classic Melville tale. <p> I'M THERE.
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Wait... Where are we? Oh...
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Feb. 24, 2010, 5:16 p.m. CST
I'll go further (at the risk of pissing Flick off a bunch),
by Subtitles_Off
PRINCESS & THE FROG is as good as UP.
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I'm kinda interested. The last dragon movie that I thought had a cool premise (REIGN OF FIRE) disappointed the fuck out of me.
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That was just tense and sad.
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That crap is unbearable.
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I think HBO can pull it off.
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Time to roll out. I'll try to stop by later on.
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I will say that 'Reign of Fire' had its good points. Such as a snarling, animalistic Matthew McConna-Hey. I'm not a big fan of the guy, but he gave 200% in that movie.
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Apes. Apes. Apes. Apes. Apes. Apes. Apes. Apes. Apes. Apes. Apes. Apes. Apes. Apes. Apes. Apes. Apes. Apes. Apes. Apes. Apes. Apes. Apes. Apes. Apes. Apes. Apes. Apes. Apes. Apes. Apes. Apes. Apes. Apes. Apes. Apes. Apes. Apes. Apes. Apes. Apes. Apes. Apes. Apes. Apes. Apes. Apes? Apes! Apes! Apes! <P> http://tinyurl.com/apesapes <P> (Turn down the volume because EAR RAPE and also apes.)
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Ok, not great by any means, but at least it's something new. And if the Punisher is going to be a part of the Marvel Universe, he's got to have weird shit happen to him periodically. <P> It's just the Marvel way of things.
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spend so much time in make-up every morning getting all those press-on tattoos.
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if it were a stand-alone-ish, one-off kind of thing. What's the Marvel equivalent of Elseworlds? What If? The art has been great (yes, I've checked out each of the four - so far - issues). But, the idea reeks of dumb-assery. It's the kind of thing, like time-traveling Bruce Wayne, that is just a non-diamond-wearing middle finger to fans of the character.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Punisher_Meets_Archie<P> Granted, it might be a good comic, and I have to assume Superman vs. He-Man can't be, but you get my point, Mac?
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If it were a What If, it would defeat the purpose of it happening. That's the thing of it. What If's have no suspense because you know the writers don't have to put the toys back in the box at the end of the story. <P> You know Frank's gonna get recombobulated at the end of Frankencastle, but the fun is the ride there.
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I'll give you that. But it's not exactly the same thing.
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Feb. 24, 2010, 5:58 p.m. CST
Dick Grayson in the bat-suit is exactly the same thing.
by Subtitles_Off
It's pointless.<P>I don't think the writers putting the toys away at the end should be the point of any story. All that requires is inserting a Deux ex Machina. Which, by the way, the writer of the Frankencastle thing has done, from the beginning. A story should stand on its own, start to finish. if you want to write a story about a killer who is killed and pieced back together, write that story. Once you have done that within the continuity of an existing character, that character ceases to be.
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Or the Puerto Rican kid is Blue Beetle.<P>OH FUCK YOU, he is not.
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...I have no idea if P&F is better than UP...I haven't seen it. I'm sure I will at some point, but I'll have to force myself.<P>I enthusiastically support 2-D animation in all it's forms, but I have no urge to ever see Disney's musical, wacky sidekick shtick again. In fact, I feel a strong urge to NEVER see it again.
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I said "as good as." My point, though, was different. Are we really so arrogant that we would deny our children the joy of a LITTLE MERMAID-ish movie, just because we've seen it already, and we're kinda bored?
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Never did.<P>And neither does Batman, so turning him into a logo that any of his sidekicks can brandish is a fucked idea.
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...you have means for eat me.
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...you have means for swallow me whole.
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...they did some spectacular character work with him...his movements...the way the camera tracked him through the forest...so fucking good.<P>Then they just shit all over it with the goofy story and ridiculous sidekicks and abysmally mediocre music.<P>Sure, the early classics had silliness, but it was balanced with true grandeur and terror.<P>And they used to mix things up more...now it's just a stale, mildewy formula.
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If you haven't seen it already. I have a feeling you'll like it ( honestly). I have always had mixed feelings about it because it's a good film, but not one you pull out at parties. <BR><BR>There's an absolutely horrible quality version of it on youtube, so get it from somewhere else if you can.
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Thanks for reminding me of how cool Tarzan (the character) was and how well it was portrayed in that movie.
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Feb. 24, 2010, 6:33 p.m. CST
...but to answer your question, no...I'm not too arrogant...
by FlickaPoo
...I picked up JUNGLE BOOK 2 and new POOH stuff for my daughter from the library. She was all excited, and I acted as though it was all great...just more of the stuff she loves.<P>Guess what?...she didn't like it. She watched about fifteen minutes of each and asked for the original JUNGLE BOOK and WINNIE THE POOH movie. <P>I was amazed. I know why I like the originals better, but I never expected for her to see the difference. I've been thinking a lot about it ever since...I think it has something to do with the simplicity and strength of the story, the quieter and more picture bookish compositions, and the less active perspective and editing...<P>For the record, I believe those two were both straight to DVD titles, so they don't reflect on something like THE PRINCESS AND THE FROG. I'll be expecting much more from a proper movie.
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...and a Tarzan story had so much potential.<P> I'm convinced someone set out to make a great movie with that one...but someone more powerful insisted on running it through the musical formula grinder. Then it wasn't bad enough yet, so they cast Rosie O'Donnell to finish the job.
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From the years when Disney was thinking it had to do cheap hand-drawn animation and focus on developing CG to compete with Pixar. It was crass commercialism. PRINCESS & THE FROG is not.<P>You know that Disney's next hand-drawn thing is a WINNIE THE POOH re-boot?<P>TARZAN was fricking gorgeous. Superior to THE JUNGLE BOOK, in my humble own.
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TARZAN is inferior to JUNGLE BOOK in terms of character and music.<P>I was talking about the quality of animation and the artistic representation of the jungle.<P>Just so no one thinks I'm a doddering idiot.
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no more idiotic than Nathan Lane's meerkat.
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...I always liked 'The Road to El Dorado'. It had a slightly more mature tone to it.
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Only aware of it as the project that forced Disney to dump Sting and go in a different direction with EMPEROR'S NEW GROOVE, a hilarious animated movie that is considered something of a failure for Disney (though not enough of a failure that they didn't make a TV series out of it).
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...has its own unique charms. The character animation second to none. I haven't studied up on it, so I'm not sure why it's so rough and sketchy compared to most of the others...I love that though. It's like it never went through the cleanup process...you can see little flickering stray marks dancing around the characters, it's amazing. And I have yet to see a badly drawn frame. With a lot of the newer stuff (even the stuff I like) you will often see second rate moments, as though certain scenes were handed off to second string animators.
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...although, oddly, I never felt a need to see it again. Not sure why.
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...but once again they crammed in all the formula elements.<P>Offensive.
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'Why do we even have that lever?"-Eartha Kitt <P> It's worth re-watching for Patrick Warburton's henchman character alone.
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Or The Lion King, for that matter.<P> True story.
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...is a KIMBA ripoff?<P>I forget if they ever acknowledged the debt or not.
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...I remember really liking the way the figures were stylized too.
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Quote me
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I don't really blame ya. I worked at a theater when it came out so I saw it way to much. I always like cheech and whoopi in it.
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In a Disney film
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" In the search for a likable, all-American hero that can fill the red, white, and blue costume of Captain America and stand toe-to-toe alongside Iron Man, one potential candidate that hasn't been mentioned is The Office star John Krasinski. Heat Vision just released a short list of candidates for the role that includes Chace Crawford, John Krasinski, Scott Porter, Mike Vogel and Michael Cassidy. They claim most of these guys are screen testing for the role this week. However, Cinematical received word yesterday through an anonymous tipster that Krasinski is all but a sure thing for the role of Marvel's star-spangled Avenger in Joe Johnston's upcoming film The First Avenger: Captain America. Surprised? <P> It's exactly the kind of off-the-beaten-path casting that reaped huge rewards for Marvel when they put Robert Downey Jr. in the Iron Man armor. Krasinski is charismatic and funny, he's the right age for the part, and he's filled with the sort of wide-eyed youthfulness that plays up Captain America's steadfast WWII-era optimism. Whoever they choose needs to be someone that can realistically muster an equal amount of screen presence as Downey Jr (for that eventual Avengers team flick), and I think Krasinski is better suited to this task than some of the recently rumored names (like Robert Buckley). Some weight training and the right script, and he just might be a perfect, albeit completely unexpected, fit for the part. <P> If true, it's an inspired choice. I've been around long enough to remember people crying foul over the casting of Michael Keaton as Batman or some unknown named Hugh Jackman getting the role of Wolverine right at the last minute. Remember the fan outcry when they announced pretty-boy Heath Ledger as the Joker? That turned out pretty well, didn't it? I have no doubt that Krasinski would do his best to bring the Marvel character to life, if the rumor holds true. <P> Do note that as of now this is still a rumor, and negotiations are a tricky animal. Until officially confirmed, file this under a big fat maybe. " <P> http://tinyurl.com/yaslbw6
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...the style a lot, and I don't remember the story and music trying quite so hard to be a Broadway show...
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Sharp rocks at the bottom?<p> bring it on.
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That's just a writer trying to persuade you to buy his or her thesis.
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And while I haven't seen all of Hercules, I will go ahead and confirm: James Woods fucking owned that movie. <P> Side note: I've been watching 'The Stand' with commentary_on, and Mick Garris & Stephen King were trying to get James Woods, among others, to play Randall Flagg.
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Feb. 24, 2010, 7:45 p.m. CST
Subs, many people didn't like the casting choice at the time.
by anonymoose
I remember it, too. From arguing with friends to arguing on the internet about it. For some reason, they couldn't see it.
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We both know that getting RDJ for the first Iron Man was a Herculean effort for Favs. <P>Being that his career was in the doldrums at the time, RDJ WAS off the beaten path.
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http://tinyurl.com/yjaldxd
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That's weird.
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Ben Kingsley's wife is pretty smokin'.
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Surely that is sarcasm, right?
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CHAPLIN, WONDER BOYS, KISS KISS BANG BANG, THE SHAGGY DOG, ZODIAC<P>John Kasinski would give his left nut to have a "doldrummy" career like that.<P>
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But RDJ wasn't the star attraction he is now....he really never was even when they were trying...<p>yeah he's made some excellent roles but nothing equating to the box office.
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I'm gonna have a smoke and think about...box office vs. repetoire vs. accolades vs. personal history.
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It was barely even released in theaters, Subby. Chaplin was 20 years ago. Zodiac was ignored by most, as was Wonder Boys. The Shaggy Dog? Really?
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You guys keep lobbing your apples at me when I was talking oranges.<P>Robert Downey, Jr., had more Box Office pull than Michael Keaton ever did, less than Ben Affleck. What exactly is the point again? Oh, yeah, that's right, convincing casting.<P>If Joe Johnston had been involved with casting Benicio Del Toro as Lon Chaney, Jr., I wouldn't be having this discussion with you. I'd just concede.<P>Look, it doesn't matter much to me who gets cast as Captain America. They'll cast who they cast. And it'll be up to them to make it work. Or it won't. It's a crap shoot.<P>Burton lucked out with Keaton. Schumacher flopped with Clooney. Singer flopped - hard - with Routh. Favreau chose well with RDJ. <P>It's all moot.
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See node 42324. <P> I'm really excited about Captain EO coming back to Disneyland.
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It is all-kinds of inappropriate to have an accused pedophile's 30 year-old vanity project as an attraction at Disneyland.
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He's that guy on that show that everybody watches every week. That's why he'll get the job over say, Paul Walker (aka That guy in those car movies). <P> I will agree that we're talking about apples and oranges, tho. I'm talking about exposure to actor, not caliber of actor. And exposure is key in the eyes of the bean counters.
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...or is it the SLEEPINGBack? <P>But it's been kinda grumpy so far.<P>I blame the weather.
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...I thought ENCHANTED was delightful in the way it poked fun at it all...(Mc.Dreamy notwithstanding)
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My favorite of the dwarfs.<P>Sure, Dopey is all-kinds of cute, and Doc's the smart one. But Grumpy's the one you'd want on your side when a wicked Queen was on your ass.
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Fucking hilarious.
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...a chimpanzee lacks powerful killing canines, so an attacking chimp will go for the vulnerable bits of face, fingers, and genitals...not necessarily in that order.<P>The more you know! [rainbow star].
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...while you scream.
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...ever comes within thirty open feet of me I will run as far away as fast as I can. But then I'll probably do something stupid like climbing a tree to evade it.
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Cute, maybe. But it's still a fucking animal. A fucking bear, no less.
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It might be fun to fight a monkey. But only if I had the proper weapon, like a machete or a baseball bat. <P> Or a chainsaw. I bet the sound alone would drive it away. Or drive it further into a killing frenzy.
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Anyone got any ideas on how to sneak a chainsaw into a zoo?
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Feb. 24, 2010, 9:16 p.m. CST
...yeah, I'd move back...and then look around for a tool...
by FlickaPoo
...sure, a chimp might use a stick to get ants out of a rotten log...and I'm not very mechanical...but an ant-stick is no match for my tire-iron of death.
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Feb. 24, 2010, 9:16 p.m. CST
You know when I knew Robert Downey Jr was gonna be big?
by TedKordLives
Weird Science. <P> When the bra flies off his head and he's screaming "I'M SHITTING IN MY PANTSSSSSSSS!!" I said to my self, "That guy's gonna go places."<P> Night all.
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who crawled into the lion's den at the Taipei zoo to convert the animals to Christianity?
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Feb. 24, 2010, 9:22 p.m. CST
I tried to find the video, but all I could find was this...
by Subtitles_Off
http://tinyurl.com/y8fmjjp
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...of bull-goose loonies. If you're selling Evangelical Christianity in a Catholic country, then by default you're attracting the disaffected, marginalized, and insane.<P>There were some pretty cool rebel types, but more than a few WHAT ABOUT BOBs.<P>Baby steps to convert the lions...baby steps to convert the lions...
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The only good thing about that shit is the fact the lines will be shorter for Space Mountain as all the parents drag their bewildered kids in to see it.
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Matter of fact, I thought the trailer to Tarzan was the most epic looking trailer they'd ever made. I was so damned pumped for that one.
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A) The regular movie-going public didn't know who Nathan Lane was when The Lion King was released like they knew who Rosie was when Tarzan came out. <p> B) Timon and Pumba were rebels/outcasts and his attitude fit the nature of the story with regards to helping Simba. <p> C) Rosie's character's attitudes weren't needed, didn't really fit in organically, and stuck out like a sore thumb. And was she a he or a she in the film? <p> I'm not saying she's the worst thing about the film, but I do see a big difference between her and Timon.
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I'm catching up, so I'm sure someone already mentioned it, but that "rough look" (which I always enjoyed too) was very indicative of that sorta Silver Age Disney style, also found in The Aristocats and Robin Hood.
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But are more like giant raccoons.
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...they clearly had the talent...the way Tarzan moved was both exhilaratingly new, and classically crafted. They were just so obsessed with money, market-think and toy/Broadway tie-ins that they shit it all way.<P>So disappointing.
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Now they're saying that genetically, pandas ARE bears. <p> Bah. Curse me for having this great memory for things I learned as a kid that later changed when I was an adult. <p> And Pluto IS a planet, in case you didn't know!
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Feb. 24, 2010, 10:11 p.m. CST
Flicka, did you just call Catholics marginalized and insane?
by D.Vader
Or everyone who's not Catholic in a Catholic country marginalized and insane? <p> *rubs his St Christopher pendant while awaiting an answer...* <p> Just kidding. Sorta not really =P.
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He was the supervising animator for Tarzan's character and Disney's most prolific recent animator (I think he also was in charge of Ariel), the most famous after the 9 Old Men. <p> Glen knows his stuff. It was his idea, I believe, to give Tarzan Popeye like muscular forearms instead of big biceps, bc it made the most sense to him if he was gonna be swinging around like Spider-Man and gripping lots of vines and branches and holding on for dear life. <p> Its just a shame the story wasn't as epic as something like The Lion King (despite the controversy), which I think rests at the top of the "Epic Scale" for Disney movies.
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...no, I'm saying that Catholicism has a long and rich history, and Italy is a Catholic country. If you're crazy enough to try selling Evangelical Bible thumper style Christianity in Italy (like my parents), then what you're going to get are misfits who don't fit in for one reason or another.<P>Otherwise, why would they abandon their rich local tradition and join something that by Italian standards is essentially a cult?
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They look like bears, dang it! They've got bear snouts, not rat snouts!
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...I'm sure I've heard of him before.<P> I haven't really kept up since the old days...and I'm not good with names and details..I can never even remember the names of all the Nine Old Men...
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That is bizarre. That's truly bizarre. My family background is Catholic and Italian. Well, Sicilian really, on my grandmother's side (the side we claim more often), Scots-Irish on my grandfather's. <p> Anyway, that idea of Evangelical's in Italy just stumps me. That's like trying to be a Christian missionary in Iran, but worse, bc the Italians are just gonna say "Yeah we agree with you, but honestly, our version's been doing it for hundreds of years before yours." <p> I never agreed with Missionary work, honestly. Even as a young kid.
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...animation through MERMAID, BEAST, TARZAN...are there more? <P> I remember there being one kick ass guy who did all the best of early new Disney.
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which cartoon character they're watching. Both Timon and Terk (?) were fun sidekicks there to pout jealously when their pals picked the girl over them. I really don't see much difference between them. Aside from them being different species, that is. They basically serve a reduced "Baloo" role in each story.
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...Christianity predates Islam in Iraq?<P>But in Italy you just say..."um, yeah...we mostly agree with you, and we have world class art and architecture. Fuck off please."
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When the trailers for Monster House came out, they advertised it as "A Gil Kenan" film. I assumed, since they were calling out the director's name and it was an animated feature, that the director must be well known and important, and I assumed my memory was incorrect and that good old Glean Keane was really Gil Kenan and he finally moved up and out of Disney and was given the chance to direct his own film! <p> Well, I of course I was wrong.
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...he made Cheeses cry for the one and only time in his life don't forget.
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Nobody.
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What's shakin'?
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Feb. 24, 2010, 10:42 p.m. CST
Andreas Deja is the other "current" Disney animator to know
by D.Vader
He was the supervising animator/designer of Jafar, Scar, Gaston, King Triton, and is currently the expert on Mickey Mouse animation. <p> Those are the only two lead animators I ever knew during the Disney (2nd) Renaissance.
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You just HAD to bring up Baloo...*sniff*
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...bedtime is shakin'...pretty soon.
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When he fought Shere *sniff* Khan? <p> "Bare Necessities" is still one of my favorite Disney songs ever. <p> Same goes for the King Louie song "Someone Like You". I love when Baloo busts in and starts scatting back and forth with Louie.
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Baloo is a completely different character and serves a totally different purpose than Timon or Terk. And Timon and Terk can't be lumped together in my opinion. <p> Timon and Pumbaa taught Simba that it was okay to shirk responsibility (he was King after all) and to enjoy life for what it was. <p> Terk was there to.. to what? What effect exactly did he/she have on Tarzan, storywise?
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Saw it in the theatre with my two older cousins..when I thought Baloo had died for a few minutes, I cryed and they laughed at me and made fun of me and have never let me forget it to this day...<p>Our conversations always end with one of them sayin', "Whadda youknow, you cried in the Jungle Book..."<p>I hate those guys...
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I'm pretty sure I got teary-eyed for a bit there too when Baloo is lying there, motionless in the rain. <p> Sniff.
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Feb. 24, 2010, 10:53 p.m. CST
...I can't get enough of Bare Necessities or Someone Like...
by FlickaPoo
...You, and my 2.5 year old watches JUNGLE BOOK a LOT.<P>Really Subs, you should be ashamed bringing Rosie O'Donnell's monkey and Baloo into the same conversation.
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The "why try so hard when you can coast" mentality. But similar ethos do not equal similar importance regarding impact on story and character.
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...to beat the shit out of those cousins of yours...I'm on a plane man.<P>Time and place buddy.
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...Bagheera kill all those fucking monkeys...<P>...but I love old King Louie.
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Feb. 24, 2010, 11:03 p.m. CST
Thanks, Flick, really, but I would rather see...
by Cheeses_of_Nazareth
invest that money in a freezer or new videos or a trust fund for Toddlerpoo...<p>Truth is...I could take em both today...probably at the same time...One weights like 400 lbs and his older bro is thin and gangly like his old man...<p>Don't worry though, I got shit on them too...<p>When I feel like ending a conversation with the oldest I just say, "Really, and which one of us was it that picked up a transvestite, supposedly 'BY ACCIDENT', in '82..." <p>He shuts up pretty quick...
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http://tinyurl.com/yftudrq <p> What an old fogey who can't seem to compare the magic between the new and old.
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...although Baloo did look pretty hot in the coconut bra and grass skirt...
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Apparently, he won the majority of the votes! <p> ITS NOT A TRAP!!! <p> http://notatrap.org/ <p> I'd vote for him. And I'd LOVE to see him out on the football field running around.
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S/He was Ichebod Crane looking ugly...
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Feb. 24, 2010, 11:20 p.m. CST
HHHAAA!!! That would rock to see Akbar on the sides...
by Cheeses_of_Nazareth
of their helments...
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http://tinyurl.com/ygd3ls3 <P> "The Bible says that marriage is between a man and a woman," Ms Ashley told Fox News. <P> "In Leviticus it says: 'If man lies with mankind as he would lie with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death and their blood shall be upon them.' <P> "The Bible is pretty black and white. <P> "I feel like God himself created mankind and he loves everyone, and he has the best for everyone. <P> "If he says that having sex with someone of your same gender is going to bring death upon you, that's a pretty stern warning, and he knows more than we do about life."
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...I've got your abomination right here, baby.
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EXCEPT if you're gay! Duh! <p> What? Double-standards? Hypocrisy? What's that mean?
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Feb. 24, 2010, 11:36 p.m. CST
'God' breeds us like cattle to sell to aliens...
by Cheeses_of_Nazareth
which explains the millions of vanished people the world over, both reported and unreported...and what really happens to all non-recovered bodies from plane and boat accidents.<p>A good breeder discourages homosexual activity, since it is simply not profitable to let them live...<p>Just sayin'...
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...people, including hot young things who fool around outside of marriage.<P>Quoting Leviticus is asinine, even for a ConservoThumper.
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So I'd do her in the rear too. Prejean was much prettier.
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Feb. 24, 2010, 11:40 p.m. CST
Go and look ate the next Commandments following the BIG TEN...
by Cheeses_of_Nazareth
If i remember correctly, it goes right into how to treat your slaves, like God was cool with that...as long as you treated them right...
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...of the day.<P>Watch out for bad guys.
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That was a Fox News link, right? <p> Trying to create another martyr I suppose.
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ESPECIALLY when she's giving it up outside of marriage. <p> Come on, you know she does it. Everyone does it. She does it. Everyone likes to do it. I like to do it. I just did it. And Im ready to do it again!
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Leviticus 19:19, Deuteronomy 22:11 <P> That gets a stoning, I think.
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This is all Egyptian Babylonian Law, preceding and the basis for Hammurabi, which we claim as the foundation of law and lawyering...Which eventually culminated today in popular culture with Alley McBeal and Denny Crane...
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“If a man has sex with an animal, he must be put to death, and the animal must be killed." <P>Poor fucking animal. Jesus Christ. It gets raped, and as punishment, killed? Fuck that. Fucking fuck that. Fuck.
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Leviticus 20:16 (the next fucking line) <P> “If a woman presents herself to a male animal to have intercourse with it, she and the animal must both be put to death. You must kill both, for they are guilty of a capital offense." <P> What the FUCK is the animal guilty of? FUCK THE GODDAMN BIBLE!
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That shit is FUCKED UP...<p>But when you go to church, no preacher EVER uses those verses as the basis of his Sermon...
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I want to go to churches and point out all of these things and tell the worshipers to stop hating themselves and being afraid of being eternally punished. Enjoy the life the true deity whatever form it might take never heard of this God Guy…I mean, at least ancient cultures had the decency to come up with good original names for their gods, instead of just using the generic old ‘God‘…<p>I want to point to Genesis and the tower of Bable where ‘God’ is actually afraid of what mankind could be capable of becoming…remember at that point, one of ‘God’s’ first creations had already rebelled against him…<p>“Who’s all Omnipotent, now, ‘God‘?”
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But, that might backfire on me with those people..
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to adress a room full of Southern Baptists...including my Uncle, who is a Pastor and I was his Music Director at 18, and my best friend from high school, who is also a Pastor who's Father was also MY Pastor in high School...He should be there too...<p>I would start by asking, "How many people here believe that Jesus was the Son of God?"<p>Loud applause.<p>"How many people here believe that a son is the true reflection of the Father?"<p>Even louder applause. <p>God, bullied and pressured his ONLY SON into covering up his SECOND lifeform malfunction by INHABITING one of our frail bodies, and drawing the 'Karma Black Queen' and dying in a most gruesome fashion."<p>Not as much applause, but some...they thought...<p>Then I would say..."Let's look at God, the Father's public record...what did he stand for? What did he endorse? Why would he kill you...and why?"<p>"Let us open our Bibles..."
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I stand by that ...
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So...you want to get to know God, do you? Everybody who recruited you and told you were a sinner and don't worry because it wasn’t really your fault, on account of Adam was horny and his handmade 'partner' had tricked him into pissing off 'God', BUT you STILL need to BEG for forgiveness in order to obtain the Kingdom®? Remember those guys?<p>They all told you that their God was a loving, forgiving God. No sin was too much for God’s capacity to forgive…Well, if you don’t count Blasphemy…which, seriously, what does Blasphemy REALLY mean?<p>Let’s look at who ‘God’ REALLY is…<p>What IS he all about…?
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John 1:01...<p>That should be your first clue...<p>But in Genesis 1:01, God creates the Heavens and the Earth. <p>Genesis 1:03...God spoke light into existence...and, as of the time of this post, He still hasn't taken a stand on the particle/wave question...
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That is why he gives us so much of it.
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"The Nephilim were in the Earth in those days...and afterward...when the Sons of God saw that the Daughters of man were fair and took wives of them as they chose."<p>This is important...God has more than ONE SON!!!!
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It's like being Bart Simpson's ant farm...
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But I for one think they should bring back chapter serials as a tool to convince people to go to the theatre more. If Sopranos or Dextet can convince someone to get cable instead of waiting for DVD, mayberry serials could convince people to go to the theatre every week or two to see the next chapter and catch the movie with it instead of waiting for video.
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CamTech 3-D episode maybe once a month...Collective Communal Television at the I-max? <p>Why not? Beats Church...
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Jimmy Johnson, former head coach of the Dallas Cowboys, and current NFL Football talking head is pimping Extenz, the magic penis enhancement pill...<P>I just saw it with my own eyes...and, now I can never UN-SEE it!!!
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at least two husbands literally had their heads up their asses in glorious CGI HD...<p>Have no idea what the commercial was for...but, it was on Comedy Central at 2 A.M. in the morning...
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I'm advocating SHAZAM: The Adventures of the Captain Marvel, The Green Hornet, The Shadow and Flash Gordon as 12 ten minute chapters spread over the 12 weeks of summer. Maybe in 3-D.
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once a week...over 12 weeks?<p>Then you would have to necessarily bundle® fifteen of them together to justify the time and expense of going to the theatre. Not all of us can just walk to the neighborhood Cineplex for a 15 minute flick once a week...
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Feb. 25, 2010, 3:08 a.m. CST
I say 15 minutes to watch a 10 minute serial episode...
by Cheeses_of_Nazareth
is also counting the previews...
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seek appropriate shelter..
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I've had enough blasphemin' for one night.<P>Nytol...
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is the wife of the Dup leader iris robinson. what an ugly hatefilled, demented bitch.
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Feb. 25, 2010, 6:23 a.m. CST
should a person be jailed for public masturbation ?
by DioxholsterReturns
silly question, but i ask it for a reason. in my college a worker got caught jerking off to porn in the library, so he got fired. but my friends think he didnt do much wrong while i said the he got off easy (no pun intended) and that he shouldve gone to jail. saying that made me look insane or something. i dont know why
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While I do enjoy their films...in the end I guess I don't really give a fuck what happens to Disney. Just another creepy controlling coporation that makes billions.
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Feb. 25, 2010, 8 a.m. CST
SCOTT PILGRIM continues to get early raves at screenings.
by ColonelFatheart
I guess I'm going to have to see this fucking movie now?
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i will not stand for TARZAN bashing...not here of all places...the animation and score were excellent..phil was shooting for oscar gold..<P>and i STILL sing YOULL BE IN MY HEART to my son when i get to rock him to sleep...(i also throw in some AGAINST ALL ODDS and ABACAB)...<P>yeah there are negatives about the film...the comic relief doesnt come off as well as previous efforts but the villian is pretty nifty..and that last fight with him his pretty cool...it took me a few viewings to notice the shadow of his hund corpse..<P>cheetah fight rules too...
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Feb. 25, 2010, 8:06 a.m. CST
Sixies, "Land of Confusion" is another good lullabye.
by ColonelFatheart
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spitting image ruled.
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Feb. 25, 2010, 8:33 a.m. CST
...good for you Sixies. I stand by my deep disappointment...
by FlickaPoo
...with TARZAN, but when your kid loves something it's a powerful persuader. I respect that.
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...and the video had puppets!
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no I love TARZAN...my son hasnt seen it yet..<P>what didnt you like about it? the storys not subpar in my book..though the elements are pretty cookie cutter...<P>its basically the origin of tarzan..what else did you want? besides less comic relief? ill grant you that.
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...I don't know, I say the animal executed for being raped by a human is getting what it deserves.<P>If it didn't look so hot or behave so flirtatiously the whole situation could have been avoided in the first place. The animal was asking for it.<P>The fair thing would be to require all mammals to wear burkas. We can't be expected to control ourselves with them trotting around with their glistening haunches all exposed...
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See y'all in a bit, gosh willing.
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...and I don't want to be a crank about it. Mostly I was and am sick of the Disney musical formula. And I hate the predictable sidekick humor...the whole thing just feels false to me at this point.<P>A movie like TARZAN could have had plenty of humor and kid appeal with youngster ape physical humor...the strutting and sassy cool kid apes were completely out of place...I'm having a hard time finding words to voice my displeasure.<P>The look of TARZAN was spectacular...if they had half the balls Pixar has the entire first half of the movie would have been silent with some rudimentary ape language conversation (like in the book). It would have been mysterious, and haunting, and funny, and beautiful...<P>TARZAN had so much going for it, I think it was a terrible opportunity lost.
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Feb. 25, 2010, 9:06 a.m. CST
...I would kill to see all the 2-D powers of traditional...
by FlickaPoo
...Disney applied to a story with half the balls of WALL-E. The courage to have an unconventional hero if necessary, an unconventional structure if necessary, a theme beyond BE YOURSELF AND EXPRESS YOURSELF! The courage to not sing fucking pop songs in the middle of the movie...
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...hand-drawn 2-D Disney applied to a story like THE INCREDIBLES.<P>But no, we don't get to have that. Because Disney made every decision in the boardroom...every decision calculated to bring in maximum synergistic multi-platform merchandising capabilities...with an Oscar winning middle-aged pop ballad thrown in for good measure.<P>I'm bitter because I'm disappointed. I hate Disney the way Lucifer and Cain hate God.
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Disney is to be hated for what it COULD do. <P> And, also, for the sidekick-voiced-by-a-comedian formula. HEY DISNEY, JUST BECAUSE ROBIN WILLIAMS DID IT GREAT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S TO BE DONE EVERY FUCKING TIME. E. FUCKING. NOUGH.
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Now I'm riding a bus targeted by snowball-throwing hooligans. Life is so, like, poetic and stuff.
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...some days you're the bus.
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February 24th, 2010...<P> @ Node 44024...In the latest chapter of Cheeses' Pedaltrek: TNG, he gives EffDub another alias...Flick gets caught cheating on The Pedalback with another thread. He's lucky we're secure in our relationship, or he'd've found all his clothes thrown out into the snow...We BAMF! sooner than we ought to, according to a few...Vic Twenty spreads the word about the short list of TV actors screen-testing to be Captain America... <P> @ Node 44050...Sixies says it at 11:18:49 A.M....Discussing what we'd like to see in a new age of hand-drawn animation, including new subjects and new styles...Also jonesing for the comeback of movie shorts and serials for the cinema pre-show in the place of adverts and military recruitment...Flick considers hiring a fancy replacement for the humble dash. In this economy, too! Where's the dash gonna find work?...Two Tom McHales had a rough time...Matt Damon and Jake Gallapagos both turned down the "Sully" role in [deleted]...China, china, china, china, china, china, china. (http://tinyurl.com/chinachina) ...Teddy makes a hooker joke, and Sixies doesn't get it, thinking he typoed...Good riddance to HUMMERs...BBQ at the trailer park - ribs and guns. (http://tinyurl.com/y9znfvc) ...Vades agrees, the music in Disney's HUNCHBACK OF NOTRE DAME is "epic"...A child-rearing problem too big for Supernanny. (http://tinyurl.com/2c4r69) ...GREAT MOUSE DETECTIVE love and a link. (http://tinyurl.com/yghvpjw) ...In his youth, Flick was training to become Batman, up until he realized it interfered with dating chicks...Vades and Teddy brag about their younger abs...Kevin Smith continues to bray about Southwest Airlines...A killer whale at Sea World is the prime suspect in the murder investigation of this week's Sea.S.I.: Underwater. Cue sunglasses. YEEEEAAAAAAAHHH!!!! (http://tinyurl.com/yznvzvj) ...John Krasinski, "Jim" from "The Office," is a Captain America front-runner, and 'moose believes he can pull it off. He doesn't have the look I think of, and, not counting Heath Ledger, the look has always been key to the successful - and some of the unsuccessful - castings in these superhero things before...David Goyer will crib from John Bryne's MAN OF STEEL, insert some other character names, and come up with a sub-plot for the cape for his story for Christopher Nolan's Superman re-boot...A (fan-made?) trailer for Kubrick's THE SHINING is simple and kinda cool. (http://tinyurl.com/yz6tzqb) ...Those serial-killer whales practiced on pelicans while the orchestral happy music swells. (http://tinyurl.com/yjcd9vo) ...An update on the killer chimp (http://tinyurl.com/yf85aas) and its victim...Superman vs. He-man is pretty stupid (http://tinyurl.com/yd3duru), but so is "Frankencastle." The point is, comics are supposed to be a little stupid, I think, but not as stupid as Time-Traveling Bruce Wayne...Colon-El suggest a cinema-verite PLANET OF THE APES reboot - a sort of PARANORMAL APE-TIVITY...Apes, apes, apes, apes, apes, apes, apes, apes, apes. (http://tinyurl.com/apesapes) ...'moose is excited for Captain EO's return to Disneyland (http://tinyurl.com/yjaldxd) ...Flick is sick of the whacky sidekick schtick that "ruined" Disney's TARZAN...After all the "Animals Attack" talk, Teddy's going to take some tools along next time he goes to the zoo. For self-defense...Turns out pandas are bears and not raccoons after all...Vades props Glen Keane and Andreas Deja as the two great character design / animators of Disney's 90s "New Golden Age"...Well, I'll tell ya, Vades and Flick. Rosie O'Donnell's gorilla plays the exact same role in TARZAN as Nathan Lane's meerkat. Both teach the young hero the "ropes" of the jungle. Both are comic-relief sidekicks. Both have musical numbers. Both think the hero has betrayed them and pout about it only to prove their loyalty in the end and reconcile. Sure, they're both minor compared to Baloo, in stature and in importance to their particular stories, but they both share Baloo's arc and are of the same template...Cheeses re-tells the story of his first reaction to the "dead" Baloo scene in JUNGLE BOOK and the teasing he took from his prick cousins...Admiral Ackbar wins the most votes as Ole Miss' new sports mascot. Ole Miss can't afford Lucas' fees...Another blond, Republican, beauty queen opens her pie-hole (http://tinyurl.com/ygd3ls3), and The Peebers quote Leviticus...
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The depth of the jungle. The computer-aided perspective of Tarzan's jungle surfing. The cheetah fight. Lance Henrickson's silver-back. The baboons. The climax - dark and exciting. No fake deaths, but plenty of the real deal.<P>Weaknesses. Music. And Jane's cornball father.<P>That's pretty much slanted in favor of the good.
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how is tarzan a musical?<P>yes there are songs in the film..and one shitty percussion interlude..but not once does it feel like a musical to me...where the songs are sung by the characters to express their emotions..<P>or are you saying they shoulda just played it straight with no songs at all...
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...I mean, it's your Subbary® and all, but that's abuse of bower and conflict of interest...or something.
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theres no way that older disney coulda done that deep deep perspective of the jungle and the surfing that tarzan does...<P>and i like how they flip those baboons on the head...a few films earlier, a baboon named rafiki was soooooo cute and now a horde of them is trying to wrestle..
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next week on 24!
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without music. That's as much a part of their legacy as anything else.<P>Also, Flick, don't forget PIXAR is still relatively young. The first dozen or so Disney classics compare favorably, in content, influence and freshness to PIXAR's output so-far. <P>We're not going to be around in 70 years to compare how PIXAR ended up in comparative measurement.
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i drink gelfling essence...therefore im immortal.
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Unfortunately, I wasn't on it, but I was on a another job a few days later when some people who worked on the Extenz job. <p> They said it was just TERRIBLE. Apparently the CEO of the company writes all the ads, and has always written the ads. I guess he doesn't hire out ad agencies to do it and saves money. But that means the ads end up being pretty bad. <p> Just look at the previous ad with the couple talking about how Extenz has helped them (and notice they're the same "random couple on the street" that the camera stopped to chat with during the very first Extenz ads). <p> Notice just how many GD times the two of them say the word "fun". <p> "We were looking to have more fun." "We thought, hey, this could be fun!" <p> "If you want to have more fun...." <p> Anyway, I wish I was actually on the crew for that ad so I could give you guys more tidbits on it, other than it was one stupid affair apparently.
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a much better movie, had they incorporated some of the suggestions Flick makes and punted Phil Collins out on his arse. Just like [deleted] would've been a good time at the theater if it hadn't been so stupid. <P>It's really not fair to hold what isn't against what is, but I do it all the time, myself. Example: THE DARK KNIGHT and The Nolanverse as compared to the Batman movie saga in my mind.
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...so what if they serve a similar purpose? Baloo is a great character. Terk is a shit character. Baloo fit the overall theme and intent of the movie. Terk is painfully shoehorned into the movie for cynical kiddie appeal.<P>Finally, let's imagine a universe in which Terk is half as good as Baloo...Baloo WAS FORTY FUCKING YEARS AGO. EVEN IF TERK WAS AS GREAT AS BALOO IT WOULDN'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE. THE FORMULA IS TIRED. SHOW AN OUNCE OF CREATIVE SPARK, DARING, SOMETHING. ENOUGH, DISNEY. GIVE IT A FUCKING REST.
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Feb. 25, 2010, 10:31 a.m. CST
...↑my anger is directed as Disney, not my good fellow...
by FlickaPoo
...Pedalbackers.
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I do recognize a formula story-telling that runs through almost all of PIXAR's feature work. It's the ages-old hero's quest - the journey of a character or characters across an environment as they collect their life lessons. That's the crux of TOY STORY, BUG'S TALE, MONSTERS INC., FINDING NEMO, WALL-E and UP. brad Bird is the only one who has broken the mold with THE INCREDIBLES.<P>I'm not denigrating any of those films, either. I think they're all superior childrens' entertainment. I only think one or two of them represent any kind of Second Coming, though.
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great as Baloo. I said Terk follows the Baloo template. So does Thomas J. O'Malley. So does Timon and the gargoyles in THE HUNCHBACK. So does Dora the fish, for that matter.
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With Phil Collins singing mumbo jumbo as we see a fiery shipwreck off the coast of some jungled land, a leopard stalking the parents, gorillas, yadda yadda. It was pretty awesome at the time. I might have to dig around YouTube and watch it again.
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What kind of crap was that? And they're making a sequel.
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...and I'm lukewarm about computer animation. I can take or leave all Pixar until INCREDIBLES. <P> Of course every story is a hero's quest...eighty percent of all stories are a hero's quest of one sort or another. But compare that to the Disney formula of pop songs in anachronistic settings, a scrappy hero, a princess, no less than three wacky sidekicks with at least one sidekick voiced by a prominent comedian.
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Feb. 25, 2010, 10:44 a.m. CST
...this isn't about Pixar vs. Disney. I'm just comparing...
by FlickaPoo
...the best Disney has to offer to some of the other best mainstream animation out there right now.
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While you're at it, sweetheart, tell him a princess story with funny animal sidekicks and make him smile again. Seems like he's lost his warm fuzzies. maybe he left them in an egg in a duck in a well in a church on an island in a lake on top of a mountain far away.
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Everything about it looks pretty damn epic and in line with how Tarzan should be! <p> No comic relief sidekicks or anything, just balls-to-the-wall pulp action. And some of that stark imagery in the beginning is pretty great too. <p>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwU5ZqyhV5Q <p> (I thought I remembered the fiery wreckage in the trailer but I couldn't find one that had it)
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either of us is truly advocating, Flick.<P>Have you seen SITA SINGS THE BLUES or WALTZ WITH BASHIR, yet?
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of is the film's opening.
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...with that list of sidekicks.<P>And after CARS, FINDING NEMO is my least favorite Pixar...but at least Dora was relatively low key. I'm particularly sick of that manic LIKEMELIKEMELIKEME!!! Disney sidekick shtick.
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The restored, re-colored version of a German silent picture that may be the first animated feature ever made. It is entirely silhouettes of articulated paper cut-outs against a flat background. <P>Anybody else see that?
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There is a formula, and it is tiresome to adults. But, as I pointed out yesterday, Disney movies aren't made for those of us who have grown tired of them through the repetition. They're made for each group of 4-7 year-olds going to the movies for the first time at any given time.<P>That goofy sidekick is an essential part of the life lesson that these things teach. Friendship.
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...I could do without Phil Collins singing, but I can live with it.<P>The animators were all over that movie. The Disney suits fucked it up.
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I think its pretty great actually and fits it well. <p> But damn. The possibilities there that the trailer promises... too bad. Toooooo bad. That's some fantastic work in that trailer.
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...things you're talking about and still be creative again. To be clear, I blame the suits, or the merchandising department, or the shareholders...whoever lobotomized Disney.<P>Walt would never have let this shit slide.
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The suits tell the storytellers to change things FOR the merchandising department. <p> "We need something cuddly, like a goofy elephant or something. Snarling leopards aren't going to sell Happy Meals, now are they!"
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That's the real deal.
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...never even heard of it Subs. Thanks.
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The man knew his audience.
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The teaser for 2012 used the same music and basic imagery from it. You know, the teaser with the wave coming over the mountain with the monks watching.
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Feb. 25, 2010, 11:11 a.m. CST
...it's funny that I only get hot under the collar about kid...
by FlickaPoo
...stuff. You guys get in knife fights over Cinema, and I say "meh, it's only a movie"...but watch out if the conversation turns to wacky sidekicks...
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I could've done without the credit scroll, then. Should've just had "THE SHINING, a film by Stanley Kubrick, starring jack Nicholson" appear on-screen in that brief moment of total black when the blood covers the camera lens. That would've made it Greatest Trailer Ever.<P>And, I'll take this opportunity to share a quibble I've always had with that scene from the movie. I wish the blood had begun to leak from the elevator doors instead of out of its side, and, as they inched open, the blood gushed.
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It's taken, I think, from "1001 Arabian Nights." Anyone interested in animation's history, I think, would be interested in it.
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were leveled at Walt when JUNGLE BOOK was first reviewed. To critics at the time, it represented a huge step backward for animation because of its slapstick, its comic sidekicks and its flat backgrounds.<P>Now, it's revered.
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Jack Nicholson, Shelley Duvall, Stephen King. All big names (at the time, in Shelley's case). Trailers are all about the sale, and Kubrick nailed it with that one. I would have been guaranteed to buy a ticket after seeing the trailer as you suggested it, but for others the weirdness plus Nicholson and King probably sealed the deal.
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when you're doing it while watching Stargate: Uranus.
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THE SHINING flopped. Somebody check my memory on this. The studio was expecting CARRIE, and they got an art picture.
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for THE SHINING where it makes it looks like a james L. brooks feel good hit.
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That's funnier.
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Feb. 25, 2010, 11:24 a.m. CST
I'm going to go with Diox on the public masturbation thing.
by Subtitles_Off
Never. Nowhere. Not at any time.<P>Did anybody watch TOSH.0 this week? He had security camera footage of a guy taking a dump in a planter at a mall.
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Feb. 25, 2010, 11:24 a.m. CST
...yeah, Subs, I thought of that. I considered addressing...
by FlickaPoo
...it in my arguments, but it would have diluted my rants.<P>I believe that a sound argument could be made for why it isn't guilty of the same sins...the proof being it's continued appeal, but won't attempt it now.<P>My main argument would be that essentially the entire movie is comedy...and all the humor and characters are central to the themes...with the exception of the Beatlesque vultures. The wacky sidekicks and contemporary jokes had no thematic place in a movie like TARZAN, MULAN, or HUNCHBACK.
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According to Wiki, it started out sluggish, then Kubrick trimmed it, and it picked up some steam. Back in the day when movies were allowed to find audiences.
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Is all about setup in my opinion. Its just to help build up to that momentous ejaculation at the end.
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I saw Tosh.o, Subs...I thought the Prank of the Week was hysterical. The one where the guy who is terrified of being buried alive is unconscious and they put a box over him before they wake him up...HA!!!
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I'd contend, was much more open to the kind of animated story for children that you think TARZAN, MULAN and HUNCHBACK failed to be. But they got a rather flat comedy with sensational music and a nod to contemporary social events that turned into the template of everything that has come after it.<P>Flash forward forty years, and films like MULAN, HUNCHBACK and TARZAN show Disney trying to break from that mold while also stringing along an audience that has shown them they want the wack.<P>There are much better films to be made from the DNA in those movies, yes, but we live in compromised times.
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And brought about the internet meme of recutting trailers to look opposite of the finished film: JAWS as Free Willy, The Ten Commandments as a high school comedy, etc. <p> It was pretty brilliant.
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McCain just had the floor and used his time to fart out a bitter screed dripping with resentment and talking points. Obama's response: "John, the election is over."
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Poor deluded quadruped.
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...compromise in German Expressionist Cinema, I don't accept it in animated children's movies.<P> At least not from Disney I don't. A company with every possible resource at its fingertips.
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He had to bite his tongue before he added, "Now, go fuck yourself."
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McCain was accusing the Dems, and Obama, of using reform as a campaign issue instead of actually talking about the substance of the thing, which most of the other GOPers, to their credit, despite their weak ideas, have more or less tried to do. So Obama said, and you can tell McCain was flustered by this, "John, we're not campaigning anymore. The election's over."
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As Twilight is to Horror films.
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...I have to point out that JUNGLE BOOK is a minor Disney effort. It's charming, but can't be compared to something like SNOW WHITE or FANTASIA. I really don't have it up on some sort of pedestal.<P>We've been sitting here comparing major contemporary efforts with a mere trifle from the past. That speaks volumes right there.
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is political, so McCain saying that is probably MORE political than the whole thing.
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Hope it's as good as Obama's smackdown of the GOP.
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as [deleted] is to my boner.
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And I turn into a cartoon dust cloud of fists clenching bloody knives.
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each successive TV spot for ALICE IN WONDERLAND makes it look more and more attractive to me.<P>Anybody want to schedule it as the next "Some Guy & Some Other Guy"?
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And the Democrats are in on it this time, too. <p>Obama is really owning this, though. This is where he's at his strongest, in a forum, and he's turning every GOP argument back at them.
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OK..I know that I'm speaking to a young and mostly tough audience here, but as an "older" woman, I see no problem with my grandkids seeing the "old" Disney style. It is true that animation has and should continue to evolve. But why toss everything out just because and younger, cruder and edgier population want "thin" eyes and more violence? Sheesh. You have enough of that already.
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He took a bigger room-mate to the floor and started wailing on him.
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"Baby with the bathwater" sort of argument. But, yes, Disney, as a corporate business, has tightened the clamp on creativity. They own Henson. They own PIXAR. They own Marvel Comics. They own the US rights to Studio Ghibli. They'll own Dreamworks soon.<P>I think the desire being expressed here is for a more varied output. Incorporating new visual styles.<P>I'm with you, though. I don't want to see feature animation turned into the crude sort of stuff you see on TV as animation for adults.
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I've been waiting a long time to see both of these, guys.<P>Excuse me for a couple of hours.
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Alice? I really have no desire to see it butwill take my son though
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Enjoy!
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It's fascinating. I can't remember a President, in my entire lifetime, willing to put it all out there in a public forum like this. it's historic.<P>I should be watching it, but, I'm ashamed to say, it makes me more than a little anxious (plus, I really have waited a long, long time to watch MOON...grin).<P>Any of the people who have been clamoring for political leadership...here you have it. Lettuce see how we, as a nation, respond.
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...to seeing it (if it gets decent word of mouth). <P>I don't care much for the ALICE story, so it isn't a sacred cow. What I like best about ALICE is all the experimental film and animation it has inspired over the years...
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For my gf's birthday. I'd do the This Guy and Other Guy thing.
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Feb. 25, 2010, 12:08 p.m. CST
...it makes me anxious too...I'll wait for the Good Parts...
by FlickaPoo
...version. <P> Colonel, do you think it makes a difference one way or the other? For a brief moment politics seemed like a worthwhile game...but I'm sinking back into cynicism. Not with Obama personally, but with the system as a whole.
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I'm sure they'll be doing another special.
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will just whittle it down to a few soundbites, a few "heated exchanges" and "rhetoric" before ultimately dismissing it as just another example of how the two parties can't play nice. <p>You're a good citizen, Subs. I'm sure you'll read deeply about it later. It's the other 299,999,990 people (present Pedalback company excluded, of course) that need to be watching this and thinking about it for themselves.
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Like HOOK?
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And it's easy to catch. Some days I just want to give up and not give a shit anymore. But then I remember that cynicism and indifference are also what put Richard Nixon, George W. Bush and Dick Cheney into office.
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for Cap'N Americrunch. Seriously. this is the most absurd miscasting in the history of film. And the people comparing krasinski to RDJ are complete and utter morons.
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Alice doesn't remember Wonderland so it can rehash everything from the original. <p> Hook didn't necessarily rehash any of the original story like it seems this new Alice is, with a few new things.
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But are all channels showing it? And damnit, they don't designate what hours its on, meaning I'll either record a shitload of nothing or miss it completely.
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...How America Can Rise Again. I don't know, man. The whole first half is about calming down, because we've been here before...and the second part is about the fact that our political system is completely frozen, calcified, and not capable of rising to a real challenge.<P>Not encouraging.
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your best bets for recording are probably MSNBC, CNN, Fox and Fox Biz.
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Sometimes the animals ARE asking for it...<p>http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100225/od_nm/us_beauty_festival
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Feb. 25, 2010, 12:25 p.m. CST
Unfortunately, all those channels list their regular programs...
by D.Vader
Throughout the day. There's no 4 hour block devoted to the summit. Its all "America LIVE!" and "Rick's List!" and blah de blah. Makes DVRing the thing difficult.
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But you can't give up.
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...get a burka on those camels!<P>Ever see a camel's tongue? Irresistible I tell you.
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It didn't look anything like the Summit. CSPAN 2 was showing British stuff and a Pentagon announcement. Bleh. <p> Either way, I'll end up missing a chunk of it.
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this explains it best, I feel...<p>http://www.rense.com/general89/545.htm
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...he appears sober at the moment.
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They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the people who are their bosses. Provided the voters have the gumption to manage their own employees..." <p>I don't think we should vote them ALL out of office, however. I think there are some genuinely good people in Congress, and I'm not sure replacing them all with other opportunistic power-seekers necessarily solves everything. We need BETTER candidates and a more engaged populace.
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Feb. 25, 2010, 12:45 p.m. CST
The accountability part of that article, that's what
by ColonelFatheart
I like. That accountability extends to the voters as well as the elected officials.
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When WE let it slide, it's really our own faults...
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Is a bit ridiculous and unfair.
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You have to expect things to go wrong from time to time; you can't expect EVERYTHING to go right. You just have to hope we learn from the mistake and fix it.
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..how long do we have to sit here?" "Also Mr. President...The Foot Fist Way was hilarious."
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http://tinyurl.com/ykaj7wk
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I missed the "moron" remark. Where was that?
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#comment_3170880
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Feb. 25, 2010, 1:25 p.m. CST
...indirectly he did. I think he probably didn't realize...
by FlickaPoo
...that 'moose was in the line of fire.<P>I blame the fog of war.
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...it's just casting for a superhero movie. Arguing for this or that pick for a role is not indicative of one's whole being. When you start throwing around insults, especially to fellow PBers, we've got a problem.
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Feb. 25, 2010, 1:31 p.m. CST
D. Vader, you are correct, there are no perfect people...
by Cheeses_of_Nazareth
That is why we should, and probably will, be governed by robots one day...
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How can we mediate this? 'moose, I believe you just stated your reason for grievance. What could Stabby do to atone?
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...the way it sounded.
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Did I just see sparks shoot out of Obama's eyes???
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What happened, Cheeses?
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Feb. 25, 2010, 1:37 p.m. CST
I don't know, Colonel...I don't have it on either...
by Cheeses_of_Nazareth
I'm just high and typing crazy shit over here trying not to offend anybody..
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I was not referring to you but to the person who wrote the article you were quoting. Hopefully, you didn't write the article. Did you say that Krasinski is an actor on par with RDJ?
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this country's been scheduled for demolition for at least a century...They're just running a little behind schedule..
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GOOD SHIT.
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I think he's got what it takes to go toe to toe with the best of them, including RDJ. He hasn't been given a chance to break his through his type-cast much, but I think he could do it with this role.
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"We have 2 hours and 15 minutes to discuss this." Then they all need to make some kind of opening statement and give their "record". Biden is now going over what they all "agree on". Who gives a FUCK what you agree on. Cut to the chase. We know who you are. Just talk about the problems.
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Puff, puff pass...that's the rules...
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It's like an Entmoot.
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...a ballet dancer could bulk up and play a spandex hero.<P>Makes perfect sense to me.
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I was watching zombies in the Norwegian, snow-covered outback. What did I miss?<P>Stabby didn't call anyone present a moron, but he got caught painting with a wide brush. His point is that he disagrees with those who compare John Krasinski with RD,Jr. <P>Stand DEƒUCK® down.<P>We each get our turn whackin' the pinata, just as we each, in turn, get to be the pinata.
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...Entmoot. <P>But with crooked white guys instead of trees...so twice as tedious.
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Free vasectomies and tube ties all around. Mandatory drug tests for unemployment, and social service benefits. Legalize and tax weed to fund this shit. LEGALIZE IT!!!!!
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if someone would just invent a THC patch...<p>I hate getting high in the car, them bying the ticket then getting the munchies (which are VERY expensive there and then watching a 1/2 hour of previews...my buzz is always gone by the time the credits roll...<p>Main reason I wait for shit to come out on DVD so I can be properly stoned in my own home with my own food and beer ...course then I get high and forget to watch the movie...happens more times than you would think...
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Since I was already "deluded" by that point.
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being a brilliant actor, but that's ok. However, he does not have the body of work or the track record of Robert Downey Jr. to even be mentioned in the same sentence, let alone compared to. And I am no die-hard RDJ fan. Krasinski has yet to prove himself. And I think he would be completely miscast as Cap'n AmeriCrunch. Who I also have no undying love for.
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...but I'd just grow it in my backyard given the chance.<P>Backyard pot growers don't have powerful lobbyists on the hill.
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That may be over-selling it. I don't see evidence of his brilliance, anywhere, just yet, though I like him on TV as part of an ensemble that, pretty often, fires on all cylinders.<P>But, and here's the big "BUT," 'moose, you cannot ask me to look at a comic book featuring Captain America and think John Krasinski fits that image.<P>You just can't.
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I thought it was a decent film but didn't add anything really new to the genre. I liked the Evil Dead nods and it was pretty good gore.
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in PJ's LOTR looked a lot like John Kerry.
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and, even though it is still in the early stages, it seems to be working quite nicely for them...
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Buddy, I'm with you, there. You're not deluded. You're just defending your opinion. I'm certain Stabby regrets using the word "deluded," but I'll let him speak for himself.
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stoners are lazy too. I for one would pay a little extra to pick it up ready to go at the dispensary.
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...are you guys really passionate about CAPTAIN AMERICA? <P> I know jack about him...and it sounds like a parody character name.
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But, I myself am secure in my own delusions, and no amount of name calling will ever take them from me.
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Not really. I am a fan of The Office, though.
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and also there is such a thing as "stoner responsibility". If they were to legalize and tax weed I would have to make it my personal mission to pay that little extra to make sure that it was profitable and worth every penny to the gov. to keep it going.
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Interested? Of course, but to a point. Joe Johnston's involvement and that list of prospective Caps have sapped my interest a bit, though.
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I think he's one of those old staples that people still like because they think they have to. I read a shit ton of comics...none of them have Captain America in the title.
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But some of the proposals before California's Congress advocates a flat $50 per ounce tax at retail...That's just fucking greedy...
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I said it was "absurd miscasting". And I stand by my statement regarding those who would compare Krasinski to RDJ, among whom I do not count 'moose. And I'm sure if 'moose thinks about it, he knows that to be true. Who knows, maybe the future will prove that to be true, but in the meantime krasinski has some catching up to do (77 films and 2 Oscar noms).
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http://tinyurl.com/ydydva8 <P> Lube curling is the main event today.
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Feb. 25, 2010, 2:09 p.m. CST
...'Hoom, hum, I have not troubled about the health care..
by FlickaPoo
...for regular people', said Conservabeard; 'that mostly concern the working poor, and self-employed. That is the business of Democrats: Democrats are always troubled about the future. I do not like worrying about the future. I am not altogether on anybody's side, because nobody is altogether on my side, if you understand me: nobody cares for my stock portfolio as I care for it, not even my lawyer nowadays.' "
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Keeping The Hulk/Ironman around that long? Or do they feel that they are replaceable? Because I feel if anything Captain is the easiest one to replace if they had to. Tony Stark not so much, same with Banner.
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if they use my Will Smith treatment..
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Død Snø<P>2009<P>Norwegian. Subtitled.<P>Directed by Tommy Wirkola<P>Talk about your tired formulas! I was extremely disappointed when I realized, within the first few minutes of this, it was going to be another "teens stranded in the wilderness," jump-scare, gore fest, complete with European pop metal music. But, it won me over, relatively easily, with its amped-up, go-for-it style, some thrilling sequences and a little clever humor. It's a blood-drenched, cheap - definitely cheap as in unsubtle, not inexpensive - and fun foreign homage to the Sam Raimi of EVIL DEAD. Nazis make great zombies. And blood and entrails splatter picturesquely against snow.<P>★★★☆☆<P>Streaming on Netflix.