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Now Entering The Reboot-O-Tron: AMERICAN PIE!!
Merrick here...
The L.A. Times says we can expect more AMERICAN PIE films in the future via "resetting" the property.
Universal, which made and distributed the pop-phenomenon original, is developing a new version with an eye toward resetting the property as a theatrical franchise.
The studio is poised to bring on "Harold and Kumar Go to White Castle" writers Jon Hurwitz and Hayden Schlossberg to script a new take on the franchise, which is being described in the development community as "American Pie 4." The movie would come on the heels of the third theatrical movie in the franchise, "American Wedding," which came out in 2003, and a slew of lucrative DVD titles that followed.
...says the Times HERE.
I just...
I mean...
You know...
There's NOTHING else out there to make? So the only/best option is to "reboot" everything imaginable?
It's not that there are no better options...it's that The Powers That Be are looking for the pre-established brands that make for safer, easier options. Lazy? Maybe. Precautionary? Certainly. Aggravating? Absolutely.
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The studio is poised to bring on "Harold and Kumar Go to White Castle" writers Jon Hurwitz and Hayden Schlossberg to script a new take on the franchise, which is being described in the development community as "American Pie 4." The movie would come on the heels of the third theatrical movie in the franchise, "American Wedding," which came out in 2003, and a slew of lucrative DVD titles that followed.
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Yes. As American as baseball, 4th of July, and quiche or a falafel.
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this nonsense must stop. all the sequels after American Pie 3 were dtv/direct to dvd rubbish.
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To reflect the current economy, the reboot will be title "American PopTart" or American Apple Turnover".
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Gritty, grim and more realistic
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Thomas Lennon and the rest of the former members of The State can't write every movie in Hollywood.. tired of unoriginal ideas.. the first one was basically a rip-off of Porky's but lacked the "Meat"..
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they didnt hand it to apatow.
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Americans only eat (or fuck) things with potatoes in. By the way, the secret to firstness is being fluffier than a porno fluffer. You can always make sense on your second post.
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I hate hollywood now, if it aint in 3d, its a fucking reboot/remake.
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People will flock to see it. Hell, I'd watch it for the tits on HBO.
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Too bad its of the shitty kind! Fucking reboots.
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The original was good, but that was so long ago; times and styles have changed.
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Everybody knows what made it famous, so this title won't be a spoiler anymore.
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A remake/reboot/whatever of an eminently forgettable comedy, which itself spawned a series of even more forgettable sequels/straight-to-DVD titles...crikey. The only thing worthwhile about the original American Pie was that chick getting nekkid, and even that wasn't that great considering those funbags weren't real. Silicone breasts suck.
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I'm certainly not going to waste one ounce of energy getting upset about it. Seriously, why would any of you really care one way or the other???
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Than a stupid remake/reboot of a stupid movie. Worry about the big problems and don't sweat the little things. This is one of those little things. -
And that's just what they'll do.
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I am fucking done with Hollywood.
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Several of those. American Pie is like, the "Land Before Time" of teenager comedies.
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That's a fucking movie I'd pay to see.
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I rushed that one, fuck me no edit button
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That would drive the Talkbacks wild!
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will reprise his role as "MILF Guy #2" now that he has moved onto bigger and better things like H&K and ST?
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Feb 18, 2010 1:07:03 PM CST
I don't care about "American Pie", but I read this because...
by chewtoy
It's the first post in forever that isn't about a prize being won by someone I don't know or some screening in a city that's nowhere near where I live. That stuff is all well and good, but break it up with some news about movies for the rest of us if you can.
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Next month, maybe???
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Feb 18, 2010 1:08:15 PM CST
Why can't they just sequel this a few years down the road?
by wickedjester
Guess Alyson Hannigan is too expensive with the award win and all now?I mean shit, what's Biggs been upto?
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I seriously thought for a second this was an April Fools thing. I chuckled, thought "oh April Fools" and then remembered it was February.
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to me, it doesn't read like they're rebooting the franchise. I read it that they're "resetting the property as a theatrical franchise... on the heels of the third theatrical movie" and they're tentatively calling it AMERICAN PIE 4. To me, that sounds like a sequel to AMERICAN WEDDING and they're putting it in theaters, ignoring the last few DTV entries, which they obviously did not.
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this time with a real script and a director who knows what to do with live actors
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Director and screenwriter Stephen Norrington speculates that the final draft for his new Crow film will be done this month, which means filming can begin this summer.
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I've caught maybe 5 minutes of one of the American Pie movies. So weird.
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Or any movies like this? People went to see Porky's and such so they could see tits and mild sexuality, which was hard to see outside of creepy porn theaters. Now with the Internet, why would anyone want to see this movie? I mean I would say "high school kids so they can sit in the back row and masturbate each other" but technically they're not able to get into R movies. So what's the point? Who the fuck would go to an American Pie movie when you can just jerk off to Brooke Lee Adams at home for free? Just go to xnxx.com or something.
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You know it's going to happen eventually.
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Seriously, I think there's no better time than to get this series going again from the start.
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be given this franchise, and the freedom to do what the fuck he wants with it. I'd watch that.
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just give it a little time
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Feb 18, 2010 1:20:42 PM CST
How will they find another talented young cast that will self de
by sighborg
Biggs?
Suvari?
Klein?
They of the dead careers.
Reid?
Natasha Lyonne?
Might as well be actually dead.
Only Hannigan emerged unscathed.
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and instead of chasing Shannon Elizabeth, he hooks up with the Vultress.
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Here's an idea people: STOP GOING TO SEE THIS SHIT! They keep getting greenlit and made because the stupid sheep are paying for this crap and helping them make money.
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eveyrone was saying that she was going to have a great career,but after Pie she practically got disappeared.why?
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http://www.moviehole.net/201023126-exclusive-gladden-sticks-the-panels-on-bernie
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aren't they still churning these out direct-to-dvd?? How the fuck can you reboot a franchise that's still active?
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...were basically a reboot, of the Porky's franchise; so I couldn't care less if they restart or "re-set" the series. I was done, with it as soon as the end credits rolled, on the first one. Seriously if you really have the need to see a pair of tits, it's a few clicks away, on the internet and it won't cost you a $10.00 admission.
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to the talented and gifted actor, Jason Biggs?
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Geez!
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It's only a question of when...
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that is all
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...avatar reboot just announced!
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And why not have Michael Bay direct it with crazy CGI shots from inside the pie of the guys dick crashing in and out all crazy and dizzyingly? Yeah, there's a hit.
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You said 'couldn't care less'. For that, I salute you sir. I'm sick of people (Americans?) on here saying 'could care less'. It doesn't even make fucking sense. And don't try that 'we're being sarcastic' bullshit with me, because you're not being sarcastic, you're just being fucking stupid. That is all.
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on a nightly basis. That in and of itself is a career accomplishment. Sucks for Drew Goddard.
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For example, Three Men and a Baby (how about another sequel), The Saint (DO IT RIGHT),
The Invisible Man (I'd love to see an update that follows the book), Highlander (less of the Mills and Boon shit, more fightin'/mythology/living through the ages), Brave New World, Hellblazer/Constantine (Again, done right, and done in England), and The Thirty Nine Steps (Although I liked the recent BBC TV Movie, I'd like to see a script that actually followed the novel) are the ones I'd be interested in seeing a fresh or 'correct' version, if anyone's pitching ideas tomorrow. Failing that, would Shia be interested in a remake of Bachelor Party? -
TAKE A RISK! GREENLIGHT NEW STUFF! Drives me mad...
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It's that series version of the pocket pussy.
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Well he's gotta eat
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Clearly they could care less, because they're spending time and effort writing a post. Just like I could care less about your inane nitpicking. I'm bored, though. So here we are.
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was about the rivalry between Heihachi Mishima and his son and that demon curse they had? or the asian protagonist in the trailer is Mishima's son? anyway fuck it,BEU films have died,even Jackie Chan knows that and plays nowadays in Disney flicks.jesus.
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After this year let's reboot Iron Man, before Nolan gets to the next Batman film let's reboot that....let's see what else can we do...oh god, how did it escape me...let's reboot Pirates of The Caribbean while we are at it. Wait, Harry Potter, let's reboot that too. Oh and we definitely need a remake of The Dark Knight too.God fuck this Hollywood bullshit. There is very close to ZERO creativity in Hollywood these days. Fuck this reboot shit, "sequel" is a word I am really beginning to miss (as sad as that is) I officially HATE the word reboot. Fuck this shit, fuck the Spider Man reboot....my fucking head is gonna explode I swear to fucking god. Oh wait, I got it, this is just brilliant....why don't we reboot the Karate Kid BEFORE the remake comes out? With a fetus as the NEW Karate Kid...genius, pure genius. Hollywood is so fucked in the head, its past sad and into fucking pathetic.
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If Biggs is married to that chick then he definitely doesn't have her pie "on a nightly basis." You've never been married, have you?
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Imagine the possibilities!
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If AICN still broke news and commented without totally misinterpreting most stories, I wouldn't have to read http://www.slashfilm.com/2010/02/17/universal-wants-harold-and-kumar-duo-to-write-american-pie-4/ to learn that this is really a sequel with the original cast, not a reboot.
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With people in blue makeup!
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DID YOU THINK THAT THE DIRECT TO DVD AMERICAN PIE MOVIES ARE DESERVING OF A REBOOT OF THE FRANCHISE? THINK AGAIN YOU FUCKING IDIOTS. THERE ARE MORE INVENTIVE WAYS TO SELL TEEN PORN AKA RED TUBE. THIS WILL BE A FINANCIAL DISASTER. PLEASE - IF YOU ARE JUST GOING TO THROW MONEY INTO A DUMPSTER TRY AND REBOOT ANOTHER FRANCHISE THAT MIGHT BE WORTH A TOSS... LIKE FLETCH OR DARKMAN. YOU NEED TO FIRE WHOMEVER THOUGHT OF THIS AND SET THEIR GENITALS ON FIRE.
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Cheap!
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Where can they possibly go with this shit? American Wedding was ok, but not close to what 1 & 2 were. I guess they could shit out one more story but I don't have high hopes for this. God I was never a cynic, and fuck Hollywood is making me one....damn them all to hell for that.
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I'm still amazed AICN didn't cover that.
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..thats what happened to Shannon Elizabeth!!! looks like i need to dig up that dvd of Dish Dogs!!
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dating supermodels and stuffs...
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Let's see Marty as a high school freshman and how he first teamed up with Doc Brown. They can't go back in time because that happens later and would negate the other movies. Instead, they hang out after Marty gets out of school where they discuss building a giant amplifier, Doc teaches Marty how to skateboard, and whether Marty's gonna ask out Jennifer or not.
Or, what about a Beverly Hills Cop reboot showing Axel Foley as a young detective on his first case in Detroit. We can witness how he learns to talk his way into otherwise restricted areas and where he got his trademark laugh. He doesn't go to Beverly Hills but he does talk about going out there one day and stirring things up.
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Pronto. And the Green Lantern, too.
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fuck, I'm old...
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finally, now that they are running out of classic films to remake, they are starting to remake films that weren't even good to begin with. can't wait to see the level of pure shit that results!
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Seriously, other than good writing and an appealing cast, American Pie was no different than any other teen comedy that came out over the last decade. So you want to reboot it with a different cast and different writers?!? So in otherwords it is no different than the crappy direct to DVD crap they have which is basically different movies that just uses the American Pie brand to make more money.
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that was exactly what terminator salvation was like, hahahahhahaa.
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seriously, whose idea was it to have a high school girl portrayed by a woman with painful-looking stripper implants?
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http://tinyurl.com/6e59o6
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HitFixx had a set visit and saw Bubo, but whether or not he's actually IN the movie remains to be seen. Muy interesante!
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Giving head to 5 guys while getting fucked, I have little interest in this crap. Shannon Elizabeth naked for the entire movie and MAYBE I would consider it.
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It's not even a good title.
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Murphy was 22 when he made the first movie
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He thinks the American Pie sequel, which is clearly defined as a sequel, is a reboot. Holy shit, how can one AICN writer be such a fucking tard and get EVERY-THING wrong in EVERY POST HE MAKES. It's fascinating how fucking terrible Merrick is at his job, though. Buy him something off his Amazon wish list!
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And one time at band camp. Pointless remake. Do Porkys instead.
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And can we put a fucking end to the word reboot?
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Okay- try that again, sorry
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I mean, really. Does anyone give a shit or is it just the idea of being a remake?
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I imagine it to be close to the line of Meet the Parents 3. The cast are all in their mid twenties, becoming fathers and etc. Or they could go another route, and many of the Pie cast become divorced, and reunite?
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it will be based around the 10 yr high school reunion. slashfilm - great for news, AICN - great for funny bastards in the TB
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...now I have to look at that fugly Willow chick again.
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Hated the first one. It was the most overrated piece of shit in universal history. Fecking started off shit dum-as-fuck humour that only drooling idiots would laugh at.
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...Shannon Elizabeth, Mena Suvari and that not-that-attractive yet incredibly-skanky-seeming redhead.
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Next up: Meet the Parents!
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i will always be thankful to american pie for giving us sean william scott. yeah, it took him some time to learn to act, but he did. and he's one of the few guys that make me laugh my ass off watching his films. he's literally the only reason i will watch cock out.
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Feb 18, 2010 2:46:28 PM CST
I'm the most forgiving person for movies and tv shows....
by geomancer21
Don't mind sequels, prequels, remakes. Even loved TF2. But.... really? Shit loads of popular books they can make movies out of, good quality games, even tv shows. Wheres my Pratchett in theaters? Wheres my darkly animated Warriors films? come on already.
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I quote that guy in Die Hard With a Vengance when he say Bruce Willis with that N-word sign on his chest: "WHAT THE FUCK!?"
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This is clearly not a reboot. It's just a sequel.
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Creative retards in control.
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Seriously. Funny joke. Reminds me of that episode of The Simpsons when Burns calls an ATM machine an 'Automated Tele-machiney-ola-trolla-Maton'
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Now there is a reboot, I can get behind!
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The others, not so much.
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Because she's still a sexy piece of ass.
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America will pay to see pieces of shit with a familiar name. I blame this squarely on the movie goers for continuing to accept this shit by paying to see it. If people would start saying no to this garbage by not going to see the movies or buying the DVDs maybe things would change. It's the same morons who make American Idol and other cheesy reality shows profitable by watching them.
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I can't follow the link at the moment but that might be a good thing. I love the original however I don't know if it's aged that well and frankly they had to frankenstein parts of the movie together because of Brandon Lee' death. I just wish they had been able to complete the original the way that they had intended.
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Stop Rebooting! Just STOP IT!!
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Only sexual favours explain Merrick's stay at AICN.
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since it will never get completed,lets remake it from the start.
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What I mind is that NO ONE seems to report on the interesting stories that everyone else writes about. Its like its only up to Merrick to post a story, and who knows what other life he leads; I don't think he sits around all day like we think AICN editors do. Or maybe he does? I just get the impression Harry doesn't give a shit about this site anymore. Quint only does interviews now, and no one else will post a story. This site is just so slow and late nowadays. Someone in another talkback compared AICN to MySpace once everyone abandoned it for Facebook, and I have to say its an apt description. AICN used to be my one stop shop for all the movie news I needed. But now, they're last in the race it seems.
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Hollywood is constantly rebooting franchises lately. Can you think of a single one that has gone on to a string of successful sequels?Me neither. Yet they KEEP FUCKING DOING IT! When are they going to learn?
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In the article —>"a new version with an eye toward resetting the property as a theatrical franchise." —> It could be a soft reboot by way of sequel, but "new version" is a word people seem to be missing. Admittedly, there are several ways that can be interpreted.
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She got pregnant and married and decided to stay home with her millions.Can't really fault her for that.Sometimes I wonder why actors work for so long. You'd think after a couple of $10m paychecks they'd elect to spend the rest of their lives on a fucking beach somewhere. I think it's an ego thing. They just gotta be up on the big screen so everyone can tell them how fantastic they are.
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... and not the meaning you want to give just because you are too ignorant of your own native language.
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...Too many reboots damages the hard drive. If your computer keeps on rebooting, it's probably likely it crashed.
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I mind Merric on AICN. If i wanted to laugh, i would pop THE BIG LWEBOWSKI in my DVD player. The comedy that Merrick brings with his "news" reports is not welcomed. He is not helping AICN in any way.
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Nolan definitely resurrected the dead. But seriously, that was an anomaly.Arguably Texas Chainsaw Massacre had a successful reboot, but the sequel tanked (even though I liked it). Hills Have Eyes tried it, but it's sequel tanked too.To be clear, reboots work as a single film, but so far at least, only Batman Begins has spawned a successful sequel. Or at least I can't think of any other "reboot" that has as well.
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They ARE rebooting that movie. I read an article about it a few weeks ago on Rotten Tomatoes. Apparently it's going to take place at a ski resort now.
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Married Kevin Smith, didn't she?
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But it is actually a sequel.
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The Texas Chainsaw Massacre remake was an abomination. It fucking reeks of the hacks responsible for it, Michael "Negative Talent" Bay and Marcus "Fired From End Of Days" Nispel.
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Let me guess. This new reboot will be centered on Stiffler's 2nd cousin, once removed or some bullshit. Everyone involved in producing this franchise needs to die a horribly violent death.
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That franchise had gone DTV with the 3rd film, then back on the screen with the 4th film. I wouldn't call that a "reboot", just an odd business plan.
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Jesus. They've already destroyed the brand with the shitty sequels and STV shit. Just start a new franchise from scratch. It's not like it's going to be an expensive film to risk. And look at the Hangover.
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Do people even care about the meaning of words, anymore?
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Busted cunt.
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That's a comedy I actually want to see
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Though I've never heard a coherant negative critique of the film that actually has any valid points. It's just "BAY SUCKS" and that's about it. Asimov, if you'd care to break the mold, by all means go ahead.What the fuck else are we going to do in this talkback, discuss fucking American Pie?
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but different actors, characters, and plot, is it a reboot, or a sequel?
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Woah, I guess you're right. I can't imagine that POS actually playing in theaters. It seemed to me that the "choose your own storyline" preempted it from playing in theaters but I guess they must have had a locked story at some point.
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I was under the impression that this is tentatively being called American Pie 4. So that might not be the final name.
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I am 100% sure.
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7 years to a decade, i suppose.
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Do you know that for sure, or are you just saying that's what you think that means?
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I was wondering the same thing.
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The franchise was in the shit and they needed to start over. See Casion Royale, Batman Begins, the upcoming Spider-Man, Fantastic Four, and Daredevil movies. Remake is, let's do the same movie that was already made, only differently! Sequel is a continuing story from the first one. The Incredible Hulk is both a reboot and a sequel. Its a one of a kind, Reboot-Sequel, bc it continues the first story, only it has a new cast and a retconned origin story (that was the reboot).
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Bc it both continues the story from the first one while also retconning it.
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Thanks Merrick.
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So I don't think that fits your criteria as the Bond franchise "being in the shit".
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It sounds, for all intents and purposes, a sequel, an attempt to get out of the DTV business. Its a remake if all the previous characters have been recast and its the exact same story as American Pie 1. Its a reboot if there is absolutely no mention of any of the previous characters, there is no "4" in the title, and if its a totally new story.
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Feb 18, 2010 3:50:48 PM CST
The only movie that's truly a reboot-sequel is Star Trek
by mattmanreturns
Whatever you think of the movie, you gotta admit I'm right.
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I meant the franchise was in the shit as in, they had NO idea of what to do with it and just starting over seemed best. Didn't mean to imply it didn't make money. Spider-Man 3 made a shit-ton of money and is still debatable over how good or bad it is. I think Sony is just damned lazy with the "reboot it!" mindset instead of just continuing the story with a new director.
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continue the storyline from Evil Dead? Are you saying the events of Evil Dead 1 actually happened in the universe of Evil Dead 2? I can't imagine that being true. I've certainly never seen a scrap of evidence to support that theory.
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Let me see if I get this...
"Reboot" is when they take a *franchise*, pretend the originals never existed, and just start all over again with the same characters, but different plots, actors, etc.?
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Good call Mattman. But I'm pretty sure Incredible Hulk and Evil Dead 2 qualify as well. Star Trek definitely says within the movie itself that it is a sequel-reboot.
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I seemed to remember Evil Dead 2's beginning retconning what happened in Evil Dead 1. Oh wait, it DOES continue the story from Evil Dead 1. Remember he gets possessed in the beginning of Evil Dead 2? That's a direct continuation from the end of Evil Dead 1.
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10 to 1 it just wouldn't be worth the wait. Just let that dream slip quietly over the horizon and be forgotten.
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Actually, I think you're on to something there. But Texas Chainsaw Massacre, a franchise, was NOT rebooted, it was remade. Same goes for A Nightmare on Elm Street. All remakes. Not reboots. It is starting to get a bit blurry here, though, all these examples. I might get a headache too...
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Remake: Recreating a specific item 9in this case a specific film) with no aim to make more.Reboot: Recreating a specific film, or series of films, with the specific aim to create more.Although a remake can be later referred to as a reboot if it indeed spawns successful sequels.This is Wikipedia's definition: "A reboot differs from a remake and a prequel, in that the latter two are generally consistent with the canon (previously-established continuity) of the series. With a reboot, the older continuity is largely discarded and replaced with a new canon."I'm not sure I agree with that.
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Got it. I misunderstood what you meant, sorry.
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Thoughts or quibbles?
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Pretty hilarious.
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It's killing us. It's the reason development's lousy with remakes and adaptations of board games and toys.
American Pie was a fresh, original piece once upon a time and now it's an exhausted franchise. There are so many ORIGINAL projects out there that could greenlit RIGHT NOW but the business is so bloody risk-averse that 'brand recognition' is prevailing. This is sad. -
Of Evil Dead 2 and he is NEVER possessed in Evil Dead.
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Now where's my book?
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REBOOT is really the media buzz-word of the moment though.
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Remakes tell the same story over again. Reboots take the characters and idea and go in a new direction. Reboots "start over" in a sense. Remakes "start over" too, but they follow the same path as the first movie. Reboots don't.
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Its the ghost cam running through the woods toward Ash who has just survived the night and stepped out into the morning. Then it hits Ash and cuts to the credits. In Evil Dead 2, we see that moment again, only the sunrise stops the Deadite from possessing him entirely, and instead resides in his hand.
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So your own rules don't apply to it.Have you seen both TCM films? They COMPLETELY different.
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Same goes for remakes. Poltergeist does NOT need a remake you fuck faces. Fantastic Four wouldn't need a reboot if you did it right the FIRST time you no-talent suits.
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Feb 18, 2010 4:03:02 PM CST
I'M GONNA STICK MY REBOOT UP YOUR ASS
by isleptwithkathybatesandallthatigotwasthi
Universal idiots.
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I mean, if you recreated a franchise, but it was VERY close to the original, I'd have a hard time calling that a "reboot". That would be a "remake", to me, even if it is intended to be multiple movies. I think you'd have to make something drastically different from the original (like Burton's BATMAN versus BATMAN BEGINS) for it to be a "reboot", and that could qualify for individual movies, too, not just franchises.
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But I'm pretty sure the TCM filmmakers consider it a remake, not a reboot. I have seen both films. Wasn't a big fan of either. Reboots also seem to have different titles (so far), whereas Remakes use the same ones.
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the Cue-Cat. But worser.
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No, it's my fault. I should have read the damn thing a little better and I wouldn't have been confused *LOL*
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Feb 18, 2010 4:05:35 PM CST
Evil Dead 2 was a sequel, not a reboot/remake
by turd_has_risen_from_the_grave
That nonsense has prevailed too long. Everything in the first 10 minutes, up to Ash getting knocked into the tree, is a recap of Evil Dead 1. The rest is a direct sequel. The reason why they re-shot the stuff at the beginning is because Raimi didn't have the rights to use footage from the original to re-cap events, so he just re-shot that stuff in simplified and abbreviated form with only two actors (as opposed to four, and with one re-cast). A very silly and confusing decision, but is unequivocally NOT a remake.
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Feb 18, 2010 4:05:38 PM CST
It's the difference between story and concept then, right?
by toilet_terror
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I think you should go watch it again. It is MOST DEFINITELY not any kind of continuation of the original film. If so....why in THE HOLY FUCK would he go back to that cabin? And why would he be so surprised when the shit hit the fan? See how that makes no sense?
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A remake is simply making a movie again (The Italian Job, King Kong)A reboot is taking a series of films, for example, and starting again from the beginning. A reboot is generally considered the first part of a new ongoing series (Casino Royal, Star Trek). In other words, a reboot is the first step in remaking the series, while a remake is just a lazy writer who can't come up with an original idea of their own.
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Now this is starting to look more like a real talkback :)
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Like Fett says, he goes back to the cabin. And he goes back to that stupid bridge and is AGAIN shocked that its destroyed and out!
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I mean seriously, am I in an alternate universe where Evil Dead 2 DOESN'T have that researcher's daughter and her husband going to the cabin? And it doesn't have the fat redneck and "bobbie Jo"?Different characters = remake. Sorry guys, that's just the way it is.
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I haven't seen the first in its entirety, but from what I understood the premise was the same.
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for the disregard of the 'rebooting' concept. Most serialized Hollywood product doesn't have a tenth of the continuity those films share, despite having possibly more coherent story and character elements involved. It's just a buzz-word that lets corporations off the hook to re-mine the same properties over and over again in a purely mercenary fashion.
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Franchises can have remakes as well. See Zombie's Halloween. But it does seem the case that reboots are usually reserved for franchises and remakes are singular films, but can also be franchises.
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What's the difference between "Remake" and "Re-imagining"?
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Hollywood hasn't found the answer yet!
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Feb 18, 2010 4:14:13 PM CST
Revenge_of_Fett, I think you are the one confused
by turd_has_risen_from_the_grave
Raimi and Campbell have both confirmed what I said in various commentaries/ interviews.Ash did not go back to the cabin. The first 10 minutes of the film is supposed to be a re-cap of Evil Dead 1 (just insted of using stock footage, they actually reshot some of the key events, and used a different actress as Ash's girlfriend). That is Ash going to the cabin for the first (and only) time - as in the events relayed in Evil Dead 1. Remember where the first film left off, with one of the demons swooping in on Ash and the cut to black? The moment in Evil Dead 2, 7 - 10 minutes in, where Ash is driven at high speed into the tree trunk is where Evil Dead 2, and the new material, actually begins.
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totally different characters, totally different story. I guess the "premise" is debatable terminology as well, but if the "premise" is teenagers going to a fucked up backwater house and getting slaughtered, then yes, they are the same. I was considering broader criteria than that.
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that is so far from the original that, without using the original's title, or a character name or two, no one would ever know it's a remake.
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Remakes do vary on characters and story sometimes. But if its the same general story and the same title, I think it qualifies as a remake, not a reboot.
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the TOTALLY DIFFERENT CHARACTERS that I described before? They show up long before any of the other characters are dead in ED2, but at the end of ED, everyone except Ash is dead.
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I thought "teenagers going to a fucked up backwater house and getting slaughtered" WAS the story ;)
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Bobbie Joe, the redneck guy, and the researcher and her assistant, are a whole new set of characters that came to the cabin on the second night - after the original group (Ash's buddies) have been killed.
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Only they do the story so much differently (Burton's Planet of the Apes). Burton's POTA isn't a reboot bc they used the same title as the original. If they gave it a different title or even a subtitle, it might quality as a reboot.
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A turd remains a turd however you name it.
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I've listened to every ED commentary, watched every bit of behind the scenes video available and read the fricken' "making of" book too and I never heard anybody refer to anything like what you are saying.
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Well said. That's kind of how I feel right now.
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He was in the middle of his crazy-time when they showed up. But regardless, the principle characters died in completely different ways and had a completely different story than what was portrayed in ED.
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Are for talentless hacks to make money. They have no real creative ideas of their own, or are too cowardly to do something original. This does not apply to established filmmakers and storytellers who redo some of their favorite films, ie Cronenberg, Carpenter, and Jackson.
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I guess I can see how the events of ED are vaguely mirrored in ED2 up to the point where he is possessed. But still, I wouldn't call it anything other than a remake in the vein of Zombie's Halloween remake because he condensed all of teh original carpenter film into the last half.
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with the title being indicative of a reboot versus a remake. You could have two vastly different movies that have the exact same title, so if the *title* is what makes the difference, then there really isn't any point in making a distinction between the two.
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I don't really consider Nolan to be a talentless hack. There are some cases where reboots are definitely better. Casino Royale was brought up before, and of course BB/TDK, and I'd argue Star Trek (at least, from a non-Trekkie position).
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"This does not apply to established filmmakers and storytellers who redo some of their favorite films, ie Cronenberg, Carpenter, and Jackson."
Then it's no longer a remake, it's an homage :)
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Remakes are usually made by talentless hacks. Reboots are often the idea of talentless hacks, ie, the suits, as a way to make more money. And in the case of Batman and Bond, those franchises were kinda in the shitter so a reboot made sense, as the prospect of sequels did not. I should have just said "REMAKES" instead of adding "reboots" to my statement. But "reboot" is the flavor of the month now and every hack wants to join in by rebooting something. Same goes for 3-D. Everyone wants it, whether its good for their film or not, whether they even *make* it in 3-D or not.
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but approaching from a different angle. Like say making the Wizard of Oz a "twisted" R-rated version or say taking a western and adapting it to space.
re: remakes vs reboots I think there's not much difference. Studios probably got wise to the fact that people tend to dislike the idea of remaking their favorite films, so they came up with a new buzzword - reboot.
I also think there's a matter of intent. A reboot can be used in a franchise with many sequels and ancillary products to wipe the slate clean so to speak so as to free the series from the myriad, and often times confusing to general audiences, chains of canon.
I also think the term reboot is used when a studio plans on starting the franchise from scratch and plans for sequels. I feel they use "remake" when they only hope for a successful one-off of an older film (which isn't to say that a sequel to a remake can't be made). -
His twenty minute remake-reimagining-reboot of the first three films would be killer.
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Because everytime I rent a Universal property damn if I don't see Eugene Levy and some unknown dick plucked from modeling school obscurity in a new generation hijinks trailer.
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i think its time to reboot "Birth of a Nation"
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Feb 18, 2010 4:38:58 PM CST
"But regardless, the principle characters died in completely dif
by turd_has_risen_from_the_grave
Yes. This is what confuses people. Raimi wanted to use stock footage to show a montage of the events of Evil Dead 1 leading up to the sequel. But the original was owned by a different company and thus he didn't have the rights to do so. So, as a compromise, he just went and re-shot an abbreviated 10 minute re-cap of Evil Dead. Except for one problem - the orginal actors, save Campbell, were unavailable, and there wasn't a lot of time and money. So to simplify things they just reduced the original's story from four characters to two, and even then had to re-cast the part of Ash's girlfriend. So it makes things extremely confusing. But this was a mere prologue to the main events of the sequel, just a recapping, so it cannot be said to be a remake. The rest of the events after Ash's possession are undeniably a continuation from the end of Evil Dead.Personally, I think it was a stupid decision on Raimi's part, since it's wound up confusing a lot of people. Stupid not just in the decision to slightly change the narrative, but even to re-cap events at all. Why bother? Always seemed like filler material to me. Like the way all the Rocky movies have a re-cap of the previous entries. If you want to see the events of a movie's predecessor, go watch it. A sequel should be able to stand on its own and, regardless, not halve to assume a lack of familiarity with its predecessor.
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We need a term to differentiate between crappy reboots made by moneygrubbers and good reboots made lovingly by masters of their craft :)
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as in RE-PEAT.
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Congratulations, you just made me cringe :)
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I'd watch it.
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I think I would, too. And that scares me just a little *LOL*
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is if it lacks enough originality to stand on its own apart from the source film. A true remake has practically no reason to exist (see Psycho 1998).
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Haven't seen any trailers for it, but the original was so good (and so *recent*) that I'm definitely not in the mood to root for it.
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It's a SEQUEL. What, is "Iron Man 2" a reboot of "Iron Man?"
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but only if it's IN S P A C E!!!!!
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Well said. Now I just need to get a new obsession. Hmmm...how about the glorious world of Zaboni operation?
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Eugene Levy will encounter much ass-sex.
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No matter what happens, it won't be as bad as "Band Camp".
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Really they can't come up with anything better than a whole series of movies built around a guy fucking a pie?
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They "...had to re-cast the part of Ash's girlfriend.""...this was a mere prologue to the main events of the sequel, just a recapping..." "The rest of the events after Ash's possession are undeniably a continuation from the end of Evil Dead."In ED3 'Army of Darkness' Rami does this again by recapping both ED1 and ED2 and recasting Ash's girlfriend (now played by Bridget Fonda).
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Raimi has confirmed this
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And that one guy who always talked about MILF's. They should just set the movie around those two guys.
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The gang stumbles upon a new sensation that is sweeping the nation.
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That's my nod to Revenge of the Nerds.
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Just FYI.
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then I'm all for it. But, since that's not likely because of the endless series of idiots who eat that shit up in the hopes of catching ten seconds of a Barely Legal tit shot. Oh well, Eugene Levy's gotta eat.
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an unfunny animated nightmare.
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teenagers across the nation stop developing sexually during puberty, and it's up to Eugene Levy to investigate this.
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and they are digging a fucking mine shaft with this shit
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I think Piece on Earth was the best.
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With Nathan Fillion
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I wanna see a comedy made about a family named the Reboots.
Every scene is a reboot of the previous scene with all new actors and a whole new and "original" take on the same scene. By the end of the movie, you've only seen the one single scene and never got to experience the actual story. But who cares 'cause it's a reboot. -
Some of the 80's movies that were hurt by lack of budget? There were plenty of things that would work as a reboot. American Pie? It was as good as it's going to get the 1st time. Sean William Scott pnws.
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http://www.upperplayground.com/feature/story/inglourious_basterds_the_lost_art_of_the_film_217
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just... enough
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Keeley Hawes in the catsuit please.
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Will certainly have a long and succesful career in hollywood. They will be the new IT thing. Like jason big... oh wait, bad example. Ok, chris kl... nope, not a good one either.. oh I know, Tara Rei.. oops, not that one either.. holy shit, only Stiffler managed to have a semi-decent career
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...unnecessary remake of the year goes to... American Pie!
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American Pie was shit, but that's no reason to remake it. Hollywood are too stupid to green light original projects, so they opt out for crap that's been crapped out before.
Enjoy your spoon fed crap kiddies.
Coming soon to a cinema near you; more remakes, more reboots and more rehashed ideas from the enigmatic think-tank, otherwise known as HOLLYWOOD.
What could be around the corner? An Alf remake? Welcome Back Kotter? The Six Million (Billion to take inflation into account) Dollar Man? Different Strokes: The Movie? Pac Man: The Movie? Why don't they make a movie *ABOUT* reboot movies and how pathetic it is instead?
What about two hours of static, with subtitles?
Hollywood = Shit.
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Michelle takes a job at Marie Callenders as a hostess after Jim looses his job as a UPS driver due to his alcoholism. Upon learning of her nymphomania and easy sexual morals her Manager forces her to Masturbate with a Kitchen Aid blender nightly for his amusement if she wants to keep her job.Hilarity ensues.
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...mostly :(
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The movie could include parodies of other movies that have been re-booted.
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That picture hasn't been made yet... for another 500 years.
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Does this mean they're going to discontinue those awesome Direct to Video sequels? Eugene Levy's gonna be pissed.
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has officially jumped the shark. I repeat, Hollywood has jumped the shark.
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Why take a chance when there's so much money at stake?
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in 3D with the cast of Twilight.. and a soundtrack by that Emo band.. with t-shirts sold at Hot Topic..
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done by the same people that brought you Epic Movie and Meet the Spartans... they only watch the trailers of other movies and make fun of them!
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with Jason Ritter in the role his dad made famous!
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Just add more tits and ass!
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the times when original new ideas were coming out. then armaggedon happens.
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lol so funny. american pie 4: fresh milfs. american pie: year zero. american pie 4 funny. american pie 4: saved by the bell. dark american pie. american pie 4: shut it down. american pie:the miley cyrus and jonas brothers 3d concert event.
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i kept laughing and scrolling and they wouldnt stop. so hillarious. amazing.
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What about Jim and Hannigan's take on parenthood? Its pretty simple. American Wedding was funny enough...for Stifler that is.
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that might be my favorite now
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this is already the peak of the entertainment it could provide me
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Feb 18, 2010 9:47:31 PM CST
American Pie 4: Based on the Novel 'Push' by Saphire
by beyondthunderdome2girls1cupbillcosby
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Signed,
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Plenty of good stories around.
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Titanic Pies
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The Year We Make Pies
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http://www.firstshowing.net/2010/02/17/exclusive-george-lucas-to-direct-drastic-red-tails-reshoots/
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that shit was badass.....
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that shit was badass.....
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Where none of the guys wear a rubber or "Pull-out".
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Feb 18, 2010 11:39:12 PM CST
Mr. Strangelove or: How I learned to stop worrying and
by anything but tangerines
stick my cock in a pie. That's it. Done. Seal it.
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I don't avoid pies, Mandrake, but I do deny them my essence.
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popular attractive young actresses with large breasts who are willing to do nudity for this. No, wait, what I meant to say is, they should just get the fuck outa town.
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Who GIves A Crap News".
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Zac Efron plays a High School Senior who's had to suffer through months of a dull, boring relationship where his frigid, uptight bitch of a cheerleader girlfriend refuses to let him cum inside her. Just as the car fumes in his locked garage are starting to get to him, his dorky pals enter the garage and rescue him. They all make a vowel to cum inside a woman before the semester is over.
Seriously though, that was the thing which pissed me off the most about American Pie: why the fuck was this cocksucker complaining because his girlfriend, Tara fucking Reid when she was still cute, will only suck his dick but not let him go the whole way?! Take what you can fucking get, my boy! -
*grumbles about lack of edit function etc.*
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all of you
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all of you
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You really don't fact check do you? It's not a reboot, it's not a remake. It's a sequel. The "eye towards resetting the franchise as a theatrical property" despite including the prefix "re" is talking about bringing the original series characters back to the theaters and stopping the craptastic direct-to-DVD versions. It would take five minutes of honest-to-God research to find this out, but no, instead we get bad jokes. Lame.
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Ok can someone please clear this up for me....what the hell is a reboot? They are calling the Nightmare on elm street REMAKE a reboot so how is a 4th movie in the series a reboot and not just considered another sequel? I thought a reboot was when they went back and restared the series/franchise NOT made another sequel.
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I kinda like this news, I enjoyed the first 3 movies, but all the DTV sequels have been crap, I'm glad to hear it's going theatrical again
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Feb 19, 2010 3:04:35 AM CST
and you guys take this shit way too seriously sometimes
by the_crimson_king
is news of an American pie sequel really worth getting your panties in a bunch?
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let me just say that I love the "we go you go" scene in American Pie 2, that one actress Lisa Arturo has an ass to die for
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Since this is most obviously gonna be a PG-13 rated shindig, the lead would only be THINKING about fucking the pie. And he would only be sharing that thought to his fellow pothead friends. Who aren't really smoking pot.Insert cue money.
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maybe its a sequels that turns into a reboot?... you know it starts off as a sequel then turns into a reboot?.... maybe a dream sequence in the middle of a sequel and the next half of the movie is the reboot... There! Merrik is right, the article is right, the talkbackers are right.... everyone's right!... horrah!!
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...yet it's okay for Star Trek to do it? And Batman? Seriously, who gives a shit? They could remake Casablanca (hopefully with Peter Beardsley) for all I care.
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Casino Royale ( James Bond ). And its sequel tanked, too, quality-wise...
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It wasnt a remake, it was an opportunity for the filmmakers to make a version of their first film with an actual budget. the way i see it, Ash gets hit at the end and then we go to Evil dead 2 where he's driving his girlfriend to the cabin.... he talks about the cabin but seems to be a little unsure about it... i always interpreted this as him being possessed and bring in more blood for the deadites. but then again, Evil dead 2 continues pretty much the way evil dead 3 does. loosely
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And all those douchey teen-sex comedies. Which is why it rules.
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Lars Von Trier. A pie. And me 3,000,000 and a tree branch away from this impending catastrophe...
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No moron sex, douchey teenagers, or funny bits. Just pure lame-ass, boring, sanctimonious shit.
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" I swear, on behalf of Jesus Christ, Sarah Palin, and Fox Faith, that I will never, ever , have pre-marital relations with pies. But just pies. "
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Than Justin Bieber ?Answer : No.
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Starring ice Cube in yet another one of his degrading, sell-out roles.And Cuba Gooding Jr.
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Just an extended shot of several pies DYING.
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An extended, grueling long shot of several people walking around pies.
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Some loser fucking an Apple Pie is presented as POLITICS.
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A shadow of what that pie used to be.
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Nah. Too derivative.
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Pie's gotta eat !
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Is a terrible atrocity that's probably gonna happen...
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Plus shot in 3-D. Cameron is already advising on it. Plus it will be re-imaged to be told from the pie's point of view.
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...and call it American Pot Pie.
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What is your major malfunction numbnuts. If God had wanted your dick in that pie he would have miracled it there.
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You can see where this is going.
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The high school gang has a karaoke contest to see who wins the Ellen DeGeneras Real Sex Doll.
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Either Stiffler convinces the bros to go on a spring break sex flight or they all die and go to a sexyheaven
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American Doughnut
American Cheesecake
American Croissant
American Danish
American Strudel
American Eclair
American Bearclaw
American Cinnabon
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"Then it's no longer a remake, it's an homage :)"in reply to D.Vader saying"This does not apply to established filmmakers and storytellers who redo some of their favorite films, ie Cronenberg, Carpenter, and Jackson."No, it's still a remake, but a lovingly-done one. King Kong was a remake of the original, done by Peter Jackson, who counts that film as one of his all-time favourite movies. An homage is including familiar elements of one's favourite films into their own film. For example, Moon, while being an original film, is an homage to 60s & 70s scifi like 2001 and Silent Running. If you are familiar with those films you can see their influences when you watch Moon.
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That was a funny movie, just give the 4 main characters a new situation, like having to save Sturdy Wings.
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Feb 19, 2010 12:43:03 PM CST
How about, "The 41 Year Old Who Had Sex One Time Only"
by royston lodge
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Cinema gold, that is!
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Not one of those was even remotely funny.What's with the running-gag movie title posts that have ruined the past few talkbacks?
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Kelly Jones style.
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Jim's first threesome
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Jim's first blow up
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Yeah I don't know. The language they used I guess? "re-setting" of the brand? I think they're just trying to get American Pie back into theatres and off of those dusty Blockbuster shelves. I don't see the point in using the title though...the Harold and Kumar guys could just write something original. I vaguely remember about 3-4 trailers for shitty teen comedies that came out last year. This is just a matter of using the American Pie name so people can say "YAY! Another American Pie"...except without the actors and Chris Weitz. Expect a title along the lines of "American Pie: (subtitle)" and NOT just American Pie 4. Without American Pie in the title it's just another forgettable piece of shit...which it will be in the end. Just not as quickly as other movies.
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I agree that there is a TON of original-ish stuff out there that really should be adapted to film as early as yesterday. But... this is a RomCom we're talking about. What has to be the most vapid, unimaginative genre going. I'd argue that practically ALL RomComs of the last three decades have all been permutations of the same three or four stories. Calling it a 'reboot' in this case is 'redundant'.If the next big thought-provoking scifi project was picked over in favor of getting this greenlit, then I wouldn't be happy. But let's face it... it's either a reboot of this or the next Valentine's Day, Couple's Retreat, He's Not Into You, All About Steve, etc. I mean, who cares?
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get it
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A creative black hole. As it always was, but never so fucking brazen about it.
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but in 3-D
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ANYTHING to put off a "Jaws" Re-boot for another year. I will unleash holy HELL when that inevitable day comes. Fuck!
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I typed it like a minute ago
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"American Pie" is a brand simply due to the name - the characters are really what it hinges on and by characters, I mean actors. Without them, there is no brand. It would be like rebooting Superbad, but with someone else as McLovin - just a bad idea. Maybe they can do a 90210 and have the main characters now with adolescent kids they have to deal with (like Levy did with Biggs)? Regardless, I think the studio is over estimating the "brand" of American Pie...Write a good story like Superbad or the Hangover and you can turn that into a franchise with a couple of sequels...
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In the Jaws reboot we find out that the shark was a whinning little guppy and that he gre up to be Chief Brody's father. Though I have to say if they did a Jaws reboot based on the point of view of Bruce, I'd watch that.
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and that says alot. Why don't you guys actually try being funny instead of just inserting the word pie into movie titles. No wonder you spend all of your free time on this site.
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is that funny?
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That Jason Biggs character is pretty sick.
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The dude fucks a pie, which is creepy shit. Imagine the possibilities.
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Why don't they remake Porkies I & II while they're at it. American Pie was basically Porkies re-booteed anyway. Whats with all those sucky American Pie presents movies they look totally budget and they look like they felch hemmy ridden anus's. Or is that ani?
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I think what you meant to say was, ' The Day The Music PIED '...
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I'm just sayin'... seems there's enough of "us" to begin sending a message to the limpdicks who think these are good ideas. Like in PCU... "we're not gonna protest?" Hell, it's not like Uwe Boll's gonna get back his production investment via German government. Let's finally, united, stand up collectively and show those fuckers we're not gonna have this lazy re-hash shit any more. Nice idea and all, but you all know there's gonna be a few of you out there who decide to plunk down your $12 and go see this crap anyhow. All others, please form a line to the right and let's, at least, build a website to address this very kind of garbage thinking ruining the movie industry. Are we not men? We Are DEVO! And to all you lazy ones who think this is not worth it, remember: Someone gave Susan B. Anthony her own coin. (Okay, not the best example, but still...)
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All the so-called "educated cinema illuminati" who traffic this site will rail and cry about how much this is an abomination, post witty and pithy t-b threads, opine about how much smarter they are than the average schmuck... fine. Remember, anyone who buys into this system is implicit for its perpetuation. Don't just talk(back); DO.
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