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ScoreKeeper Howls At THE WOLFMAN Score That Almost Was

Update: It appears this is not legit. It's my fault. I apologize. The talkbacks here have been fun though so if you want to continue to argue the merits of Elfman's work in THE WOLFMAN by all means continue.


Greetings! ScoreKeeper here and I'm vexed. Devin Faraci over at CHUD.com (giving credit to Doc Phibes) has posted a YouTube video featuring an audio clip from Paul Haslinger's rejected score for THE WOLFMAN (2010) which was ultimately replaced by Danny Elfman's score which was initially rejected to pursue Haslinger's eventual rejected score...eh, you know. I appreciated THE WOLFMAN more than I actually enjoyed it. There is simply too much kinetic attraction for me to dismiss it entirely under the weight of its flaws. One of its crown jewels is the amazing score by Danny Elfman which we almost never heard. It's always interesting to hear rejected scores and wonder the "what-ifs." In the case of THE WOLFMAN I share Devin's sentiment that this was a big "whew!" in my book. I don't fault Haslinger here as I'm sure he was composing the score he was hired to write at the time; however, it's so glaringly wrong for the direction of the music in THE WOLFMAN that I'm aghast that it was ever seriously considered. I understand the need for options and experimentation during the filmmaking process so all I can say here is, congratulations on making the right choice! Even if Elfman's score had to be hacked up to fit a cut of the film that had changed after he scored it, it functioned seamlessly in the film. This is due in large part to the talent and craftsmanship of master orchestrator and composer Conrad Pope who supplied the mortar to Elfman's musical bricks. It may not have been pretty but Elfman's score is one of my favorites so far this year. Check out Haslinger's clip HERE for yourself.

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  • Feb. 17, 2010, 9:57 a.m. CST

    If only...

    by REVENGE_of_FETT

    The Elfman score is frankly one of the worst I've ever had to sit through. Although I like the film overall, this was definitely a low point. My only question is why the fuck Universal put his score BACK after realizing it was shit to begin with?

  • Feb. 17, 2010, 10:02 a.m. CST

    That Haslinger score is BADASS!

    by REVENGE_of_FETT

    But I agree that it feels worlds removed from the tone of the film. At least now I understand why that TOTAL SHIT Elfman score was reinserted because, if for no other reason, it at least matched the tone.</p><p>But they might as well have just stuck the WHOLE Dracula score in there and saved the money.

  • Feb. 17, 2010, 10:04 a.m. CST

    Sounds very DTV-ish

    by RedEgiraahgnal

    On another note: I STILL HAVEN'T SEEN THE FUCKING MOVIE!!! cAN YOU BELIEVE THAT!?!IT'S MY MOST ANTICIPATED MOVIE OF THIS AND LAST YEAR, BUT I COULDN'T FIND THE TIME TO FINALLY WATCH IT!!!! Damn.

  • Feb. 17, 2010, 10:06 a.m. CST

    Sounds like UNDERWORLD

    by evilnik

    as if if this WOlman version was a spin off from the shitty and crappy underworld series... luv danny elfmans... may be this version may7 grow on me on repteaded viewings

  • Feb. 17, 2010, 10:07 a.m. CST

    Sounds like a trailer for Supernatural

    by RedEgiraahgnal

    (Not trying to diss Supernatural.)

  • Feb. 17, 2010, 10:09 a.m. CST

    Sounds like a trailer for a Zack Snyder movie

    by RedEgiraahgnal

    I can see the slow motion "action scenes" right before my imaginary eye, while listening to the score excerpt.

  • Feb. 17, 2010, 10:11 a.m. CST

    To make it short: It seriously sounds very, very wrong.

    by RedEgiraahgnal

    If they wanted a "rock" score, they should have asked Apocalyptica to score it. Not sure if it would have been more fitting, but it would probably have sounded less generic.

  • Feb. 17, 2010, 10:12 a.m. CST

    I'm sure it will be used for something

    by REVENGE_of_FETT

    That would definitely be a shame if it just sat on a shelf somewhere.

  • Feb. 17, 2010, 10:13 a.m. CST

    I liked...

    by kbass

    the Wolfman score as it is. I thought Danny Elfman did a pretty good job.

  • Feb. 17, 2010, 10:18 a.m. CST

    ELFMAN'S SCORE WAS VERY GOOD

    by BringingSexyBack

    It was a great Wolfman score. Certainly gave the movie a much-needed gravitas, as it was otherwise lacking in story and characterization.

  • Feb. 17, 2010, 10:27 a.m. CST

    Elfman's score is very 'inspired'...

    by zoothorn21

    ...by Wojech Kilar's score for Coppola's Dracula. Litigiously so. Apparently the word is that it was 'inspired' by Kilar. Yeah, inspired to re-record it note for note!

  • Feb. 17, 2010, 10:28 a.m. CST

    Hopefully this is the beginning of a creative renaissance

    by SithMenace

    for Elfman. I love his 80'/90's stuff, and certain scores from 2000 on, but he has definitely been lacking the past few years.

  • Feb. 17, 2010, 10:43 a.m. CST

    Bullshit

    by Lorquaine

    I don't have anything against Haslinger, but this cue is generic, fake badass, typical Hollywood "modern" synth/electro/loop/ersatzMetal overproduced bullshit.

  • Feb. 17, 2010, 10:52 a.m. CST

    Thank God for Elfman

    by KenKRK

    Haslinger's score would have killed the film for me. Pulling of a score with contemporary music for a period film is always a dicey proposition. Out of context, it's got a great gothic vibe to it, but it wouldn't have fit the Wolfman at all.

  • Feb. 17, 2010, 11:06 a.m. CST

    Great music, just not for the WOLFMAN

    by ChezKing

    It wouldn't make sense for a period piece, but the music is still very cool. It's powerful and driving and everything you would want for a horror movie, but in no way does it fit the WOLFMAN. I am glad they went back to Elfman's score.

  • Feb. 17, 2010, 11:25 a.m. CST

    I hate that

    by ufoclub1977

    style of music, the slo-mo 300 style. At one point putting in a Barry Manilow song for a romantic comedy was cliche, at this point, this style of music is cliche for ANYTHING to do with horror, action, or scifi. I guess it sounded good in the 28 Days movies.

  • Feb. 17, 2010, 11:26 a.m. CST

    To compare...

    by ltgalloway

    heres some samples I found online of Elfman's take. http://tinyurl.com/ylhehte

  • Feb. 17, 2010, 11:27 a.m. CST

    Maybe its cause I know it was Elfman

    by MacReady452

    i thought the score "stuck its foot in the door" of EVERY scene. Or maybe they were just trying to add to the drama by bringing it and almost shoving it in my face.

  • Feb. 17, 2010, 11:48 a.m. CST

    Thank God

    by kuldan

    That was awful - just gives you the idea of what "suits" have in mind with what people are expecting as "entertainment." They were trying to cash-in on all the Twilight hype, thinking that adults would like the same things that 15-year old girls like.

  • Feb. 17, 2010, 11:48 a.m. CST

    I feel the same way about "The Wolfman" and the score

    by The Reluctant Austinite

    It's severely flawed, but I still enjoyed the cinematograpy, Rick Baker's wonderful Wolfman and Danny Elfman's score. This is a case where EVERYTHING could've been much, much worse. That's certainly a backhanded compliment, but I smiled during every scene that Benicio's Wolfman rampaged across the screen to Elfman's music. I look forward to the extended cut and hope to hear more of Elfman's score in those deleted scenes.

  • Feb. 17, 2010, 11:53 a.m. CST

    Wolfman had way too much music in it.

    by The_Genteel_Gentile

    One problem, amongst many, with the film is that all the atmosphere on screen was suffocated by Wojciech Kil...I mean...Danny Elfman's seemingly wall-to-wall relentless score. I would have prefered a much more sparse approach from a minimalist composer like Michael Nyman that would have allowed the film to breath a little. Lest we all forget,"silence is golden".

  • Feb. 17, 2010, 11:59 a.m. CST

    I wonder how *edited* Elfman's score was

    by D.Vader

    Some have criticized it as being "too obvious", but we don't know if he intended this musical piece to go here or to go there after this project went through an army of editors.

  • Feb. 17, 2010, 12:25 p.m. CST

    NO SPILL BLOOD!

    by Loosejerk

    Who makes the rules? Someone else. Bring back Oingo Boingo!

  • Feb. 17, 2010, 12:39 p.m. CST

    That's true D.Vader.

    by The_Genteel_Gentile

    Elfman really can't be held liable after all that went on in post. I'm sure whatever Mr. Elfman's original intentions, they were far less cloying than what ultimately got represented in the theater. I hope. However, his music is far too similar to Wojciech Kilar's, that's for certain.

  • Feb. 17, 2010, 12:44 p.m. CST

    JOHN WILLIAMS IS KING

    by AxeEmAll

    No other modern composer comes close. Maybe Michael Giacchino would inherit his greatness.

  • Feb. 17, 2010, 12:46 p.m. CST

    Something like

    by Gwai Lo

    Philip Glass' Dracula score would have been groovy.

  • Feb. 17, 2010, 12:53 p.m. CST

    Fuck Wolfman, Elfman's Alice score is a MASTERPIECE

    by therealkumar

    Just wait.

  • Feb. 17, 2010, 12:54 p.m. CST

    THAT IS NOT HASLINGER'S SCORE, DAMN IT!

    by johnmullin

    That's music that appeared in the very first trailer, before Paul Haslinger was even thought of for the project. This "news" has been all over the Film Score Monthly message board for months. ScoreKeeper reads that message board, and as such I am stunned and infuriated that he would continue to talk about something that has been proved false again and again on numerous other sites. Great journalism, buddy.

  • Feb. 17, 2010, 1 p.m. CST

    I can't believe...

    by JeffreyKatzenkunt

    ...how much Elfman's effort sounds like Kilar's Dracula score. I was listening to it the other night and wondering why Elfman isn't being sued for copyright infringement.

  • Feb. 17, 2010, 1:01 p.m. CST

    I liked the score for Wolfman.

    by hallmitchell

    It sounded very " Dracula " yet it's Danny's best score in ages.

  • Feb. 17, 2010, 1:11 p.m. CST

    JohnMullin, it sounds similar to the trailer music...

    by D.Vader

    But its not the trailer music. Its different enough.

  • Feb. 17, 2010, 1:17 p.m. CST

    Haven't heard Elfman's score yet

    by daggor

    So, are their details about this supposed rip-off? It reminds me of the Spider-Man 2 sequence bit that the suits wanted to be a rip-off of some Hellraiser music, and Elfman walked. Was he asked to duplicate Dracula, and opt to follow orders this time, or something else?

  • Feb. 17, 2010, 1:23 p.m. CST

    by strck9

    last week i went to the dr. for bloodwork. yesterday they called my wife and said that i need to come back in. they want to discuss the results. they wouldn't tell her anything over the phone. so this afternoon i'm gonna go find out what is the dealio. am i dying?

  • Feb. 17, 2010, 1:25 p.m. CST

    This score would have been the silver bullet...

    by FlickorFilm

    for a flick that was already on it's death bed for me. I didn't like The Wolfman that much, but I would have excoriated it my review had THIS been the score!

  • Feb. 17, 2010, 1:29 p.m. CST

    Yea that is a turd, They always hire dudes to do rock,

    by the Green Gargantua

    that have had their heads up their asses for over a decade virtually ignoring what has been REALLY happening with heavy music. The Ruins of Beverest would make an amazing movie score, or even Blut as Nord.

  • Feb. 17, 2010, 1:32 p.m. CST

    Wouldn't be so bad if...

    by The Dum Guy

    The fact the movie takes place in the 1800's... why have electric guitar riffs in such a setting.<br><br>Wasn't this the same (type of) music that was in the 2nd trailer (which I didn't really like)?

  • Feb. 17, 2010, 1:34 p.m. CST

    there was too much music

    by frank cotton

    but it did sound appropriate. good luck with the blood test results

  • Feb. 17, 2010, 1:42 p.m. CST

    Dodged a bullet there!

    by Bruce Leroy

    It was hard enough for me to get in to the movie as it is. This score would have taken me out all together. This is all wrong for a period piece like Wolfman is. This is better for another Crow movie.

  • Feb. 17, 2010, 1:56 p.m. CST

    Elfman's Terrible, This is Worse

    by RefutetheHype

    The Elfman score, compare it with the score of the original. The original was a deep, brooding piece that really spoke to the heart and soul of Talbot. Like everything in this movie, the Elfman score had no clearly-defined theme beyond endless droning pounding nothing and it was not engaging, no emotion to it. It was a piece of work. Not a piece from anyone's heart. This rock replacement is just awful, and should not be used either. What happened to real movie music? The "suits" don't want it. Then again, it would be lost on the people watching, who more thna likely would be all like "there was music?"

  • Feb. 17, 2010, 2:16 p.m. CST

    I'm no score expert but...

    by ZoeFan

    This is SO off for The Wolfman. This score sounds right for like a modern bank robbery scene gone wrong or like a main character trying to figure his way through something complicated.

  • Feb. 17, 2010, 2:18 p.m. CST

    IT'S LIBRARY MUSIC THAT WAS NOT WRITTEN FOR THE MOVIE!

    by johnmullin

    It's the same track that has been on the website since November (which is where the original poster probably got it from). Haslinger didn't record his music until the end of December. This music was not written for WOLFMAN.

  • Feb. 17, 2010, 2:20 p.m. CST

    Yeah, there was def a "Dracula" riff in there

    by BenBraddock

    I just saw it and I sat there thinking "...wait a minute, that's from Coppola's Dracula!"... seems I'm not alone

  • Feb. 17, 2010, 2:44 p.m. CST

    Wow that isn't right

    by MattmanReturns

    I wasn't impressed with Elfman's score, as it was a rip of the much better Dracula score... but this I'll admit it's a lot better than this.

  • Feb. 17, 2010, 3:28 p.m. CST

    *headbang*

    by alice133

    *headbang* *headbang* *headbang* *headbang* *headbang* *headbang* *headbang* *headbang* *headbang* *headbang* *headbang* *headbang*

  • Feb. 17, 2010, 3:50 p.m. CST

    King Kong

    by Antz

    Elfmans score had a repeating sequence that was identical to the main theme from King Kong. Very distracting, I kept expecting to see a big ape leap out.

  • Feb. 17, 2010, 4:45 p.m. CST

    John Mullin is a dirty asshole

    by therealkumar

  • Feb. 17, 2010, 4:57 p.m. CST

    by johnmullin

    Classy, sophisticated.

  • Feb. 17, 2010, 6:10 p.m. CST

    @ johnmullin

    by YUBinit

    Well Whorekeeper writes for CHUD so there are some who line up for his occasional rim-job.

  • Feb. 17, 2010, 6:20 p.m. CST

    Elfman score was overbearing

    by BranMakMorn

    There was no moment to breathe and allow the film to draw the audience in. There were many moments when rain or the ambient sounds of the gothic forest, even just the crackling of fire would have been more effective. Instead all I heard was Elfman's score, which was no better than this alternative score.

  • Feb. 17, 2010, 6:34 p.m. CST

    Exactly BranMakMorn.

    by The_Genteel_Gentile

    precisely my line of thinking on the matter as well. <p> Bravo.

  • Feb. 17, 2010, 6:36 p.m. CST

    The Machinist by Roque Banos

    by SmokingRobot

    Amazing score, check it out. A must-hear for any Bernard Hermann fan.

  • Feb. 17, 2010, 6:39 p.m. CST

    strck9 - Best wishes with your blood results.

    by The_Genteel_Gentile

    I'm sending out positive vibes and shooting a prayer out for ya right this very moment brother. God bless.

  • Feb. 17, 2010, 7:42 p.m. CST

    wow

    by BendersShinyAss

    that was BAD. you can just see the exects looking at each other all thinking the same thing. "give elfman a call" "already did sir, he said use what you've got but he aint coming back" <p>cut to elfman "fuckwits"

  • Feb. 17, 2010, 7:54 p.m. CST

    Hmmm...

    by ScoreKeeper

    Ya, it appears this isn't legit. My fault. But the talkbacks have been cool on this one. All of you complaining that Elfman's score was overbearing or too much surely wouldn't wanted me to have me direct him. My lone complaint is that he didn't do more or go far enough. The action music is great but he pulled way to far back on the smaller cues. All the classic Universal monster scores were not bashful or keen on restraint. I wanted to go deeper into that musical universe. He went there but I would've relished him going all the way. Plus, just the mere notion that this score is overbearing is ridiculous.

  • Feb. 17, 2010, 7:57 p.m. CST

    i just listened to elfmans score

    by BendersShinyAss

    it is AWESOME. I actually wanna see the film now. people say it's ripped dracula? bullshit, it's spiderman gone apeshit

  • Feb. 17, 2010, 8:45 p.m. CST

    Disappointing movie

    by HermesTrismestigus

    Score was disappointing cuz it ripped Dracula, even with hopkins in it. Rick Bakers work towards the end was laughably sub par..especially the wolf bear suits in that stupid werewolf fight..which shoulda gone in part 2..they shoulda just followed the original storyline and embellished it. By making his father a villain and giving no background info on talbot they remove the tragedy. And there was no humor in the film except for the unintentional. I credit Joe Johnston for saving it from being a total mess...hopefully the extended version will help.

  • Feb. 17, 2010, 8:48 p.m. CST

    Bummer...

    by rutgersjaffo

    I was pretty disappointed by this film overall. It added a lot of things that did not need to be added and left a lot of holes unfilled and questions unanswered...

  • Feb. 17, 2010, 9:33 p.m. CST

    Am I the only one who found the werewolf fight...

    by The_Genteel_Gentile

    ...finale in front of the fireplace strangely reminescent of the nude wrestling scene in Ken Russell's Women In Love? Except, you know...not good. Seriously it was like a MadTV parody of that scene with werewolves. Also DelToro ain't no Oliver Reed.

  • Feb. 17, 2010, 10:41 p.m. CST

    People who bitch about Danny Elfman perplex me

    by Nasty In The Pasty

    Would you prefer Hans Gregson-Jablonsky? Elfman's scores do NOT all sound alike. He has had PERIODS of similarity between scores (his Pee-Wee period, his Batman period, his Dead Presidents period), but people who claim that all of his scores "sound alike" obviously haven't listened -- REALLY listened -- to anything he's written since 1990. How do Sommersby, Black Beauty, Mission: Impossible, Corpse Bride and A Simple Plan sound even remotely "identical"?

  • Feb. 17, 2010, 11:33 p.m. CST

    To your point Nasty, I'd prefer Zimmer for sure.

    by The_Genteel_Gentile

    Have you not heard Zimmer's score for Hannibal? Now that's some grade A gothic romantism and dark tragedy right there. If only Wolfman were as fortunate. I truely wish they'd used Zimmer's Hannibal for the temp track rather than Kilar's Dracula. <p> I like Elfman quite a bit, but he "Mickey Mouses" too darn much and has lost alot of the inspired mojo he had in the 80's and 90's. Zimmer by contrast is still in top form, plus I just prefer the progressive building and long drawn out notes of Zimmer. <p> Speaking of Hannibal, I believe Elfman's last decent score was for Red Dragon way back in '02. <p> Now tell the truth, you were just reading off Elfman titles from the back of your "Music For A Darkened Theater Vol.2" CD weren't you? C'mon, your amongst friends here, admit it.

  • Feb. 17, 2010, 11:37 p.m. CST

    Corpse Bride and A Simple Plan were post-Darkened Theater

    by Nasty In The Pasty

    The basic idea still stands...anyone who thinks Elfman only does that "Ooompa-ooompa" shit or just writes "wacky circus music" is severely deluded.

  • Feb. 18, 2010, 12:57 a.m. CST

    Yeah I know, just joshing you buddy.

    by The_Genteel_Gentile

  • Feb. 18, 2010, 1:04 a.m. CST

    My God, I don't think anyone actually paid attention.

    by white_vader

    It's not just ONE theme, he recycles a BUNCH of them in this, and Scorekeeper, it's the bricks that are just as much at fault as any editing hackwork. Like I said before, Elfman's lazy-arse score rips off not just his own Batman score which he already shamelessly pilfered for Spiderman. It also rips off Jackson's Kong, and it rips yes, the Coppola Drac as well. Normally I'd say the Drac score and this one using gypsy-tinged instrumentation is appropriate in both cases and therefore a certain degree of similarity makes sense, but again, this was shameless. <p> I don't hate Elfman at all, but when he falls into recycling the same orchestrations, motifs and themes he's been using since Family Dog (which he then used in Beetlejuice - check the Family Dog basement scene), I get shitty. This one didn't go back THAT far, but still was "lazy" Danny. From memory I loved stuff like A Simple Plan though because it showed he could forget himself and actually serve the story/film before his own ego. I think people these days actually hide church bells/recordings/files from him! <p> Nasty, I think BOTH views are right. He doesn't ALWAYS do the Beetlejuice shtik, but when he DOES fall back into it it's pretty annoying if the setting's not appropriate. <p> Scorekeeper, I don't get it. I usually look to you for informed and level-headed opinion, but I don't understand how you could possibly call this a good score. The building blocks are all so shamelessly recycled from his own work and other films and especially the Kong score's inappropriate tempo for the train scene takes you right out of the movie. It's not just editing or switching around after the fact. It's the main themes and how ill-judged (while taking the audience out of the story) they were on every level. At least with this one the music wasn't a lumpy indistinguishable sonic mess like Wonka. We were supposed to HEAR what the Oompa Loompas were singing? I know that's not all Elfman but still... how the hell does something that awful get out? Maybe like this - no time. Oh and I didn't even look at that other fake score. I'd be interested to hear what it was really like though. <p> Just to make sure I wasn't imagining things I used a freebie and saw Wolfman again the other day. The music distracted and annoyed me even MORE this time. The last time an awful score has made me this cranky was the lifeless, soul-sucking abomination from the first X-Men movie.

  • Feb. 18, 2010, 1:10 a.m. CST

    P.S.

    by white_vader

    Can someone do A/B comparisons to actually show how blatant Wolfy is? Go either Batman to Wolfy or Spiderman to Wolfy, then do Drac to Wolfy, then Kong to Wolfy. I ain't no musicky type so I don't know how to do it, but I'm sure someone here does. <p> Speaking of "Mickey Mousing" I love it in original Kong and considering all the jump/scares I think that sorta score would've been O.K., but not all the apeing (haw!).

  • Feb. 18, 2010, 1:13 a.m. CST

    PPS

    by white_vader

    apeing in Wolfman I mean. Duh.

  • Feb. 18, 2010, 1:49 a.m. CST

    Yeah, it sounds like Dracula...

    by Droogie Alex

    but more like the 70's Frank Langella Dracula with John Williams' score.

  • Feb. 18, 2010, 5:01 a.m. CST

    I'm reminded of Gabriel Yared's score for TROY

    by AsimovLives

    That sacore was miles ahead better then the fucking abomination of a score that James Horner made for the movie. Yared's score was pretty good, and the final end credits song he composed was great, specially in comparison to the fucking piece of shit that Horner shat and called a song.

  • Feb. 18, 2010, 8:47 a.m. CST

    Barren landscape of movie scoring

    by kwisatzhaderach

    nowadays. I miss the glory days of John Williams, Jerry Goldsmith, James Horner, Basil Poledouris etc. Nobody today has anywhere near their talent. It was a pleasure to hear Horner's score for Avatar (derivative though it was) - an old school orchestral epic in the way that none of todays kids can seem to get to grips with. <p> And Giacchino is the new Williams in the same way that Abrams is the new Spielberg. He isn't.

  • Feb. 18, 2010, 10:44 a.m. CST

    Overbearing

    by BranMakMorn

    When the Score distracts you from the film, then it is not doing it's job. The film is a collaboration process and should be seamless, the score complementing the mood instead of bulldozing the audience when it does not need to. A great score pulls back when the "empty space" is required. It appears that some are confusing the score's quality with how it is laid over the beats of the film. You can have great music, but place it at the wrong time or overdo it and you nullify both the visuals and the score itself. Good to see Gentile and others picking up on the same thing.

  • Feb. 18, 2010, 12:06 p.m. CST

    Comandante kwisatzhaderach

    by AsimovLives

    Isn't that the truth? Thank goodness Elliot Goldenthal is still around.

  • Feb. 18, 2010, 12:16 p.m. CST

    white_vader - I assume you're refering to...

    by The_Genteel_Gentile

    ...the studio imposed electronic rape of Michael Kamen's already rushed original orchestral intentions for X-Men, rather than lambasting Kamen himself right? Because Kamen was fantastic and sorely missed. He did more whilst suffering from multiple sclerosis than John Ottman and his ilk could ever dream.

  • Feb. 18, 2010, 12:40 p.m. CST

    AsimovLives - 2 things...

    by The_Genteel_Gentile

    First off, yes Goldenthal is great. Kudos sir. <p> But second, Gabriel Yared's score for Troy was awful and unforgivable when you account for the fact that he was given over a year to produce it. Horner, by contrast, was give mere weeks and was able to still produce a pretty rousing and effective score, albeit while ripping off generously from David Arnold's Stargate as well as his own back catalog such as Braveheart. But Horner knows how to produce a highly complimentary score for film and Gabriel Yared really does not. Just look at Yared latest score for Amelia, the music sounds fine but does nothing for the movie itself. Horner of course infamously said as much about Yared in an interview, and I'm inclined to agree. <p> BTW, I'm actually listening to Yared rejected score as I type, and it's not a half bad listen, but I'm confident Wolfgang Petersen was very wise to call in David Arnol...uhm, I mean Horner ultimately. Becuase Horner's just simply a master at marrying music to image, that's all. It's a refined art that Yared does not understand nearly as well. That's not to say I don't have severe criticisms for Horner and his plagiaristic ways, please do understand that. But at the end of the day his is a better FILM score than Yared's. <p>Okay, sorry for being redundant, carry on and good day.

  • Feb. 18, 2010, 1:36 p.m. CST

    The_Genteel_Gentile

    by AsimovLives

    Listen to Yared's score for THE ENGLISH PACIENT and then you might reconsider your opinion of him. Adn his work for TROY was far better then Horner's. The fact Horner took the job wioth only two weeks for TROY only shows what a mercenary for hire he really is. and Horner's score for TROY is abominable. I don't care he only had two weeks. If the timeline was so short, why didn't he had shared duties with another composer, like Hans Zimmer does? James Horner can kiss my ass!<br><br>Good to know you are an admirer of the great Goldenthal. He isindeed one of the best. He's making too few movie scores, if you ask me. I guess he just prefers to work with his wife. Or Michael Mann.

  • Feb. 18, 2010, 1:38 p.m. CST

    I admire Michael Kamen...

    by AsimovLives

    ... but his score for X-MEN 1 is a big pile of nothingness. It doesn't even sound like he did it, it's so uncharacteristic of him. Had they put the name James Horner in the credits i would had believed.

  • Feb. 18, 2010, 1:40 p.m. CST

    James Horner used to be one of my favorite composers...

    by AsimovLives

    ... and now i fucking detest the man with fury. I get stomach cramps everytime i learn he is making the score for a movie i want to see.

  • Feb. 18, 2010, 2:17 p.m. CST

    I hear you Asimov.

    by The_Genteel_Gentile

    Loud and clear. <p> Horner owned the mid 90's, that's a fact. I too am now filled with dread when reading his name in the marcque. I mean really, why not just keep the Glory-Braveheart-Apollo 13-Titanic temp track and call it a day. <p> But The English Patient is a drama that really only requires some beautiful music to serve it's aural needs, I mean something, anything lushly romantic really ought to suffice. Classical music could have done the same job. But a genre film like the epic adventure of Troy has much more specific requirements in temperment and tone, to counterplay certain moments and match others beat for beat. It's a delicate balance that Yared knows not, I think. I get what you're saying though, I just think, like Avatar, Horner's Troy score "works". It just does the job whether inspired or not and does so better than Yared's would have. We'll have to agree to disagree on this one I guess. <p> Although I love Goldenthal, Mann edited his music for Public Enemies into a hot mess. He's known to do that type of thing, just ask Trevor Jones and Randy Edelman.

  • Feb. 18, 2010, 2:21 p.m. CST

    Kamen's "Logan & Rogue" que from X-Men...

    by The_Genteel_Gentile

    is easily the best music the series has ever had though.

  • Feb. 18, 2010, 3:19 p.m. CST

    The_Genteel_Gentile

    by AsimovLives

    I love the use of music in THE LAST OF THE MOHICANS. Besides, i know that mvoie from the international release version, which had a great use of the music, and none of that Clannad song in the middle of it. So, in that retard, i'm forced to say that Mann did the right thing. I saw the american domestic version of LAST OF THE MOHICANS and yes, it's edited worst, with whole segments unincluded. It does hurt the movie.<br><br>Actually, i think horner's last great score, or last good score for that mater, was GLORY. After that he begin his tiresome self-replicating bullshit. And no, i don't count his Braveheart has a great score. Nowdays i even had difficulty calling it a good score, and i bought the CD. All his so-called good 90s scores have far outstayed their welcome, as far i'm concerned. I still love most of his 80s stuff, though. For me, it's as if Horner had died after Glory.<br><br>You understimate Yared's score for THE ENGLISH PACIENT. The guy is good. He really is good. He's the real deal. And composing for romance might even be harder then for action. You don't have the action to distract from the music.<br><br>As for Elliot Goldenthal, he was once nominated for a score he composed in two weeks: INTERVIEW WITH THE VAMPYRE. I kid you not! So, Horner's lament about his fuck up with Troy means nothing to me.

  • Feb. 18, 2010, 4:33 p.m. CST

    Genteel_Gentile

    by strck9

    Thank you! my bloodwork results showed that my bad cholesterol was WAY high and my good cholesterol was WAY low. so, i'm not dying. yet. it's just not good. dr. wants me to get on Lipitor. i'm only 36. and since i'm here i'll just say to white_vader: YAYYY!! for mentioning Family Dog.

  • Feb. 18, 2010, 7:10 p.m. CST

    Yes Genteel

    by white_vader

    I was talking about the final score that's on X-Men 1 is that Kamen? I like Kamen, but whether it was studio rape or Kamen's fault, X-Men 1 score is shite. I don't see how the lifeless music isn't his fault, and I'm not talking inappropriate placement or badly edited cues in exactly the same way I disagree with scorekeeper that it's the glue and not the bricks or whatever in The Wolfman. As for dismissing or praising a composer outright though, I don't give anyone a clean pass for everything. And while I like "invisible" scores, I also like leitmotif and the tone and Singer's direction of X-Men 1 really required it. Interference wouuldn't surprise me, and would easily explain Ottman who is both Composer and Editor. A typically political Singer move to get around the problem. <p> I also like scores that balance both approaches, like (trying to recall one) Shore's Seven score, or his stuff for Cronenberg. I like Goldenthal too. <p> Getting back on topic, that's why I said what I did about Elfman. He DOES do some great stuff in both 'incidental' or supporting/less ostentatious stuff, but he DOES do some lazy-arse recycled crap too. I'm not going to as simplistic as your general TBer and reduce it all down to this composer vs that composer or even that a particular composer is ALWAYS great and that guy ALWAYS sucks. Even Trevor Jones, who I generally hold up as your stereotypical wussy English composer (how's that for blanket statements eh?) who did awful stuff combining modern instrumentation like watered-down electric guitar on say, Labyrinth which I maintain would have been a MUCH more effective/successful film with a great score (he's no Jarre), has been fine on other things like, um, Dark City. Even Dark Crystal seems to operate at half-mast a lot of the time. Anyway, point is like anyone, composers have their ups and downs. And at the moment, Elfman is making me crazy. <p> Speaking of interference/re-cutting, does anyone (Scorekeeper,are you still out there) have any infor on why Elfman's Wonka is so awful? I don't think it's the studio as Elfman did a similar (not as bad but) thing on Corpse Bride. The levels are all over the place. Surely it wouldn't have been an engineer without Elfman's input...

  • Feb. 18, 2010, 7:12 p.m. CST

    stck9

    by white_vader

    Welcome to the club dude. Lipitor and Family Dog - two things we've got in common.

  • Feb. 18, 2010, 8:25 p.m. CST

    Elfman is great composer. One of the very best!

    by Proman1984

    Shh!

  • Feb. 18, 2010, 10 p.m. CST

    stck9 - Glad to hear you're not dying bud!

    by The_Genteel_Gentile

  • Feb. 19, 2010, 3:20 a.m. CST

    Proman1984

    by AsimovLives

    10 yearsa go i would agree. This days, he composed the score for TERMINATOR SALVATION. I rest my case.

  • Feb. 19, 2010, 3:21 a.m. CST

    Proman1984

    by AsimovLives

    10 years ago i would agree. This days, he composed the score for TERMINATOR SALVATION. I rest my case.

  • Feb. 19, 2010, 2:48 p.m. CST

    Floaters all over the pool.

    by Subtitles_Off

  • Feb. 19, 2010, 2:50 p.m. CST

    When you say BAMF!, you're supposed to BAMF!

    by Subtitles_Off

  • Feb. 19, 2010, 2:53 p.m. CST

    Of course, it would help if you BAMF!ed to the right thread.

    by Subtitles_Off

    This is obviously the wrong one.

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  • Feb. 22, 2010, 10:09 a.m. CST

    SPOILER bitches leave

    by Six Demon Bag

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 10:10 a.m. CST

    Flick? Sound off.

    by Subtitles_Off

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 10:12 a.m. CST

    mark the time boys...

    by Six Demon Bag

    im making popcorn...

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 10:12 a.m. CST

    Nicely done, Sixies.

    by Subtitles_Off

    But this time, I had to leave a more obvious breadcrumb so Flick wouldn't get lost.<P>He is, after all, Some Other Guy.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 10:13 a.m. CST

    Just waiting on the Flicker.

    by Subtitles_Off

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 10:15 a.m. CST

    gotcha..told EffDub in BeautyBack

    by Six Demon Bag

    that we're in the wolfs lair..<P>i crack myself up sometimes...<P>i really wanna see that doc..ive heard about it for quite some time...

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 10:15 a.m. CST

    SOME GUY & SOME OTHER GUY @ THE MOVIES™

    by Subtitles_Off

    (cue music, something attention grabby and all TVish)<P>The views expressed by Some Guy don't necessarily represent the views of this station, The Pedalback, or any of its advertisers. Hell, they might not even represent the true views of Some Guy. Same thing for Some Other Guy unless he says otherwise. Any use of the blah-blah-blah without written consent is prohibited, and we don't just mean it's discouraged, we mean we'll track down your pirate ass and kick it.<P>As for SPOILERS, well, both Guys have already seen the movie, so you can't spoil it for us, but thanks anyway. Oh, you were worried we might spoil it for you? Well, then, maybe you should be ignoring us. Anything said by Some Guy or Some Other Guy might expose a secret, offend you, anger you, or cause convulsive reactions and subsequent beverage spilling. Neither Guy is responsible.<P>In this episode, Some Guy & Some Other Guy discuss...<BR>BR><BR>BR>SHUTTER ISLAND<BR>BR>(fade music on 3...2...1)

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 10:17 a.m. CST

    ...I'm just wrapping up my opening shot...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...sorry to hold things up.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 10:17 a.m. CST

    Some Guy says

    by Subtitles_Off

    Where DEƒUCK® is Some Other Guy?<P>BAMF! fragged up our show.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 10:18 a.m. CST

    Ah, still in make-up.

    by Subtitles_Off

    He's so vain

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 10:19 a.m. CST

    Some Guy says

    by Subtitles_Off

    SHUTTER ISLAND turns out to be the first love-it/hate-it movie of the new decade. What side of the aisle are you gonna plant your butt, Other Guy?

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 10:22 a.m. CST

    Some Guy says

    by Subtitles_Off

    Just relax and read what's on the teleprompter.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 10:22 a.m. CST

    ...Some Other Guy is firmly impaled on that fence...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...I'd say the movie worked GREAT!...about fifty percent of the time. Maybe sixty.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 10:23 a.m. CST

    ...Some Other Guy is scrapping his manifesto...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...it isn't coming together and makes him sound like Some Other Asshole...

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 10:24 a.m. CST

    Do bystanders get to chime in

    by Six Demon Bag

    Or do we wait until after opening arguments?

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 10:25 a.m. CST

    Some Guy says

    by Subtitles_Off

    he's right there with you in the middle. Keep your head down, would you, please? I will so-go 'Lop all over your arse.<P>M. Night Scorsese, Marty's evil twin brother, has made a film that is gorgeous and rich, based off a story that is preposterous and illogical.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 10:27 a.m. CST

    ...Some Other Guy would like to acknowledge...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...right up front that I'm sure that Martin Scorsese is much smarter than I am...I'm sure all decisions about the making of SHUTTER ISLAND were well thought out and calculated. Any complaints I have only reflect whether I think this movie is effective for Some Other Guy...not...you know, the History Of Cinema and stuff.<P> I thought this movie worked great...about fifty percent of the time. Maybe sixty. I REALLY hate to be the jerk who brags that he had the movie figured out in the first half hour...but man, Scorsese telegraphed things with a hammer in this one....and I spent most of the movie hoping to be wrong...that I didn't have it figured out.<P>Sadly, I did.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 10:27 a.m. CST

    Some Guy asks

    by Subtitles_Off

    What did you think of the acting?

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 10:28 a.m. CST

    Does it hold up on second viewing?

    by Six Demon Bag

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 10:29 a.m. CST

    ...I thought the acting was stilted, stagey, and oddly...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...paced. For good reason it turns out, but you're still left with a movie where 80% of the time it feels as though you're in a HARDY BOYS story...

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 10:29 a.m. CST

    Patience, Sixies.

    by Subtitles_Off

    (But to skip ahead, "yes and no.")

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 10:32 a.m. CST

    Some Guy says...

    by Subtitles_Off

    But Leo's been working out, though. For the first time, he comes across as a man and not some boyish wannabe. The fire-lit scene with him and Patricia Clarkson is as good an example of great acting as the scene of him and Moocher is an example of bad, stilted acting.<P>And, there is no way you had "The Law of 4" figured out! I don't think Dennis Lahanne, who wrote the shit, knows what that means!

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 10:32 a.m. CST

    ...wait, I have to modify that. I spent half the movie...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...hoping I was wrong about the ending...and the other half hoping I was right, because only one ending could fully explain the metronome-ish CHOOSE YOUR OWN ADVENTURE type pacing.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 10:34 a.m. CST

    Some guy says this

    by Subtitles_Off

    about the CGI.<P>Michelle Williams has a nice ash.<P>Seriously, the CGI looks pretty good, considering it's used for a dream sequence.<P>That CGI-enhanced shot of the execution at Dachau is a stunning sequence!

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 10:35 a.m. CST

    ...Some Other Guy says...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...no, no, there were all kinds of great acting moments sprinkled throughout...more of a pacing issue really...like a play, or a bombastic dream...

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 10:36 a.m. CST

    Some Guy says

    by Subtitles_Off

    that 30-40 second shot is worth admission alone. They're gonna be raving about that one for years.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 10:37 a.m. CST

    ...Some Other Guy says REALLY?...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...I hated the Michelle's ash...but I too really liked the execution shot...<P>I should really back off for a moment and say that I enjoyed watching the movie. I'm making it sound as though I hated it...I didn't. I just think Scorsese made a bunch of conscious decisions that in retrospect didn't work out so well.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 10:38 a.m. CST

    Some Guy says...

    by Subtitles_Off

    I realize that's the whole point. Marty's masterfully pulling on all your paranoid synapses the whole time. It really is a fantastic piece of work, but that ending essentially pulls the rug out from under everything.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 10:38 a.m. CST

    Some Guy says...

    by Subtitles_Off

    Leaves ya there rubbing your bruised ass.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 10:41 a.m. CST

    ...but Some Guy, you must have guessed at the ending...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...within the first thirty minutes...right? Mr. Marty laid all his cards right there on the table...early and blatantly...

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 10:41 a.m. CST

    Some Guy says...

    by Subtitles_Off

    Or, THEY WORK TOO WELL, in the service of a lazy story. <P>The twist - which, yeah, any half-wit can see coming from a mile back - is preposterous and renders everything before it moot.<P>"You're the most dangerous patient we have here."<P>Oh really? That's why you let him run around endangering the health and well-being of all the other patients?

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 10:43 a.m. CST

    Some Guy insists...

    by Subtitles_Off

    The story is blatant and obvious. Marty does the best he can, I think, considering.<P>There are a lot of subtleties to the way he's structured things. He does a sensational job at keeping you on the edge of your seat.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 10:45 a.m. CST

    ...Some Other Guy was surrounded by People Of The...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...Land in the theater. The common clay of the new West...you know, morons.<P>The creepy events and scares kept coming at such a regular and rhythmic pace that eventually they all just started laughing.<P>I hate to say it, but the moron's weren't completely wrong.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 10:45 a.m. CST

    I don't understand people's problem with the ending

    by Stabby

    It's based on a novel! I do understand Some Other Guy's argument that maybe too much was given away too soon. But, you can't blame the ending on Marty.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 10:46 a.m. CST

    ...*morons* no apostrophe.

    by FlickaPoo

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 10:46 a.m. CST

    Some Guy hates to concur

    by Subtitles_Off

    with clay people, but I'll admit to laughing out loud at the waterfall of rats and creepy, talky corpse girl.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 10:47 a.m. CST

    The tracking execution shot was CGI????

    by Six Demon Bag

    Fuck me.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 10:48 a.m. CST

    ...Stabby, I'm not blaming Marty...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...but he picked the story...it's not as though his hands are tied.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 10:49 a.m. CST

    Some Guy saw it twice...

    by Subtitles_Off

    and while a second viewing enhances a lot of the subtleties that Scorsese squeezes in there and even reduces the surprise-sex aspect of the resolution (since you can see it coming, you can pay attention to how it plays out instead of your initial frustration, and it 's not so offensive), it also exaggerates the flaws in the entire plot.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 10:49 a.m. CST

    (The blood splatters were, Sixies)

    by Subtitles_Off

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 10:50 a.m. CST

    ...Some Other Guy thinks that to continue we have to...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...quit dancing around spoilers.<P>We're gonna run out of fuel here if we can't address the main event...

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 10:51 a.m. CST

    Some Guy kept counting

    by Subtitles_Off

    Batman characters through the whole thing. There's Penguin and Poison Ivy and Zsasz and Mr. Freeze.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 10:53 a.m. CST

    Some Guy says, I'll take care of that...

    by Subtitles_Off

    SPOILERS<P> SPOILERS<P> SPOILERS<P>SPOILERS<P> SPOILERS<P> SPOILERS<P> SPOILERS<P> SPOILERS<P> SPOILERS<P> SPOILERS<P> SPOILERS<P> SPOILERS<P> SPOILERS<P> SPOILERS<P> SPOILERS<P> SPOILERS<P> SPOILERS<P> SPOILERS<P>

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 10:55 a.m. CST

    ...Some Other Guy thought at times it felt a lot like...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...an old text-based adventure game...especially in the dungeon tower...<P>you are in a dark and damp corridor, do you turn left? Or do you turn right?<P> You see a dark cell, do you reach for your matches? Y or N?<P> A terrifying prisoner approaches you, do you speak to him? Y or N?<P> You stepped too close to the prisoner, he grabs you and chokes you.<P>GAME OVER.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 10:56 a.m. CST

    Some Guy says

    by Subtitles_Off

    Marty's love for Hitchcock and Noir is all over the first two-thirds of this thing, and the issues raised re: paranoia, multiple personalities, repressed guilt, psychiatric advances from the dark ages of torture to the era of enlightment are all provocative, interesting, and not hard-hammered. it's just that everything is turned to "whatever" by that resolution.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 10:58 a.m. CST

    Some Guy agrees, but says

    by Subtitles_Off

    that's the intended style. You can't say Scorsese was clumsy about the way he did it. You can only say that type of thing doesn't push your buttons.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 10:59 a.m. CST

    ...Some Other Guy isn't nearly as familiar with...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...the forms and traditions that Scorsese was obviously playing with...I kept trying to give him the benefit of the doubt because I liked a lot of things about the movie.<P>But it was distracting. I kept thinking...<P> "that's odd. It must be an old noir thing. I'll have to ask Conti or Subs." <P> "that's odd. It must be an old noir thing. I'll have to ask Conti or Subs." <P> "that's odd. It must be an old noir thing. I'll have to ask Conti or Subs." <P> "that's odd. It must be an old noir thing. I'll have to ask Conti or Subs." <P> "that's odd. It must be an old noir thing. I'll have to ask Conti or Subs."

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 11 a.m. CST

    Some Guy wonders,

    by Subtitles_Off

    if Elias Koteas was going to just borrow the make-up from Brannagh's FRANKENSTEIN, why Marty didn't just cast DeNiro in that cameo? Are they not talking to each other? Deniro's damaged goods after MEET THE FOCKERS, innit he?

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 11 a.m. CST

    Hello, chaps.

    by ColonelFatheart

    Nice reading so far, Some Guy and Some Other Guy. I'm dying to weigh in.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 11:02 a.m. CST

    Some Guy says

    by Subtitles_Off

    ask Conti. I'm no expert on Noir.<P>Don't you think, though, that it was nice to have such a gorgeous application made to what is, essentially, just a spook-house tale?<P>That set is fantastic.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 11:02 a.m. CST

    (Go ahead, all. Pretend you're yelling at the TV screen.)

    by Subtitles_Off

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 11:04 a.m. CST

    ...Some Other Guy says SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...here's my main problem.<P>A lot of the acting and pacing felt intentionally staged. I know Scorsese is a smart guy...so it must be intentional...so either this is all a setup, or more likely this is all a delusion and he's already insane...or both.<P> And sure enough, Scorsese is a smart guy...nothing was accidental. Everything felt fake because is WAS fake.<P>But you're still left with a movie where 80% of what you see on screen fells fake. I think it's a design flaw. A skillfully executed flawed concept.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 11:05 a.m. CST

    If you look at the film as surrealism

    by Stabby

    and in my opinion there is no other way to look at it, especially given the twist ending as everything that happened up to that point was from the perspective of a seriously delusional man going in and out of reality, then I think it works. Some other guy seems to be looking at it from a straight realistic narrative perspective.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 11:05 a.m. CST

    Some Guy liked

    by Subtitles_Off

    the little touch of ambiguity right at the end. Is Leo cured? Is he just pretending? Sort of volunteering for a lobotomy?<P>I wish they'd found a way at the script-writing level to put in a lot more of that ambiguity into the ending.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 11:08 a.m. CST

    I liked it...

    by Six Demon Bag

    And now that I've had a chance to reflect on it and the ending which is devastating, geez... I think Marty was just trying to make a different type of film...he wasn't shooting for the fences per se to make a big statement film. But it is a good film. Will see again for the details I saw but didn't.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 11:08 a.m. CST

    Some Guy

    by Stabby

    For a second I thought it was DeNiro and that would have been awesome, but would have added to the artificiality that Some Other Guy is lamenting.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 11:09 a.m. CST

    Some Guy says

    by Subtitles_Off

    90% of what you see onscreen IS fake. Everything might be an illusion. That's exactly the problem. The things that aren't illusory - the physical actions - make absolutely no sense once they're explained. That's why you leave the theater thinking "what DEƒUCK® ?"<P>There is no justifiable reason to allow any of the things the doctors allow to happen. This is all about one individual's sanity, remember, in an institution of 66 other individuals.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 11:10 a.m. CST

    ...even while watching the movie Some Other Guy...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...kept thinking..."this is sooo intentionally staged. It HAS to be on purpose..." <P>And sure enough, it WAS on purpose. But if your whole movie it taking place inside a bombastic dream...you're still left watching two and a half hours of a bombastic dream.<P>I say it's well executed, deeply flawed concept.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 11:10 a.m. CST

    The Elias Koteas part, makeup and all, is perfect.

    by ColonelFatheart

    SPOILER: It's a common thing in nightmares. That random, singular, malformed monstrosity that, in all likelihood, symbolizes some idea or feeling you have about yourself or a situation you're in. And let's face it, Teddy/Andrew's life is a waking nightmare.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 11:11 a.m. CST

    Subs that's what I got with the ending....

    by Six Demon Bag

    You think he reset... But then he makes that final statement...wish it was a little more ambiguous though..

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 11:11 a.m. CST

    Some Guy, they could have had Ted stage a successful escape

    by Stabby

    and have him on his way back to the mainland on the ferry. But. then pull a Brazil and cut to a lobotomized DiCapio. So in his mind he escaped.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 11:12 a.m. CST

    Is it safe for me to drop my review?

    by ColonelFatheart

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 11:12 a.m. CST

    Some Guy says

    by Subtitles_Off

    it's a 5-star execution of a two-star story. I give it ★★★☆☆ ½><P>I suggest, if M. Night had made this, in exactly the same way, we'd be calling for his head on a plate with boiled potatoes.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 11:12 a.m. CST

    I was thinking that all the flashes of white eas

    by Six Demon Bag

    Was him being electroshocked

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 11:13 a.m. CST

    (Yeah, Col. It is)

    by Subtitles_Off

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 11:15 a.m. CST

    So has basically there because he SPOILER

    by Six Demon Bag

    Shot his wife??

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 11:15 a.m. CST

    Some Guy still defies anybody

    by Subtitles_Off

    to explain "The Law of 4." Yeah, Gandhi scribbles four anagrams on the board, but that's two pairs of two. That hardly counts as a "law of 4."

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 11:17 a.m. CST

    Some Guy tells Sixies

    by Subtitles_Off

    Yeah, that's the reason he's there.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 11:18 a.m. CST

    Some Guy, I totally disagree

    by Stabby

    I believe that Dr. Kingsley's experimental therapy methods as he explained them were real. So, I totally buy the huge role play experiment they pulled. Plus, they new that Andrew was really a good/moral person. And it was clear that not all of the staff agreed with Dr. Kingsley's experiment at all. Plus the warden was pretty badass and they had some serious security in that place. Also, Dr. Chuck was pretty much with Teddy the whole time.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 11:18 a.m. CST

    ...Some Other Guy kept hoping they would go...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...somewhere else with it.<P>A recent THIS AMERICAN LIFE story was about a guy who wakes up in India with no idea who he is. The local Indian authorities are very sympathetic and helpful, and take him directly to a substance abuse/halfway house. <P>Everyone wants the best for the guy, and tries to help him clean up his life...the guy completely buys the narrative that is being lovingly pushed on him...he writes long letters apologizing to his family for being a fuck up...and finally ends up restrained and sedated in a mental institution.<P>Turns out the guy just lost his memory due to the anti-malaria drugs he had to take...he was an aid worker with a successful career, but in the absence of any evidence he completely accepted the assumed narrative about him.<P>I kept hoping the story would be more interesting than IT WAS ALL A DREAM.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 11:19 a.m. CST

    Some Guy asks Some Other Guy

    by Subtitles_Off

    You had to appreciate some of more movie-ish aspects of the film. The setting, the cinematography, the sound (once it settled down, that is - the dong-dong-dong accompanying their arrival at the asylum was so derivative, it was annoying).

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 11:20 a.m. CST

    Subs

    by Six Demon Bag

    But I don't think killing your crazy wife for drowning your kids should have you locked up...they shouldve elab'd that hebwent nuts at work or started looking for a killer when there wasn't one....

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 11:20 a.m. CST

    Colon-El reviews SHUTTER ISLAND (SPOILERS)

    by ColonelFatheart

    SHUTTER ISLAND is not about some superficial twist. I knew, or at least figured out, the twist coming in, but as the movie crept along (and this movie creeps along; it's requires a patience that, sadly, much of today's audience lacks), it became apparent to me that the twist itself was immaterial next to Teddy/Andrew's journey to the point of realization. That said, since Scorsese and DiCaprio (I think it's his best performance yet) did such a fine job immersing me in Teddy/Andrew's experience and psyche, the movie created enough doubt that I may have been wrong all the time. Thankfully there was no herky jerky flip at the end. That would have been cheap. Instead, we're left as bruised and battered as Teddy/Andrew, contemplating guilt, shame and our inherent violence. This damned movie lingers. <p>It opens like a potboiler in the beginning because it is through the eyes and mind of Teddy/Andrew. Scorsese has a knack for taking us into the psyche of lead characters and compelling us to empathize. Only here he uses B-movie tropes to do it, but without it ever feeling truly like a B-movie beyond the opening moments, even though the plot is preposterous, as Some Guy says. And even at the beginning everything is laced with a queasy dread that hints there is more going on than what appears. <p>SHUTTER ISLAND is an equisitely crafted slow burn, adorned with one great character turn after another and masterful production values. Thelma Schoonmaker is in top form here. The music is expertly chosen. The piece at the beginning (anybody know what it is?), which feels portentous at first, becomes more bitter and appropriate througout. Robert Richardson continues to deliver A-plus cinematography, especially in a spectacular flashback shot that depicts American soldiers executing Nazi concentration guards. <p>SHUTTER ISLAND is the work of a master, but the master in this case, Scorsese, has left his guns at the front gate. He's not shooting blindly here, as he did through much of the flawed but loveable THE DEPARTED. Scorsese's in his patient, formal-rigor mode here, like in TAXI DRIVER, RAGING BULL and THE AGE OF INNOCENCE. It's his best film since 1995's CASINO.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 11:22 a.m. CST

    Some Guy reminds Stabby

    by Subtitles_Off

    of the scenes with the other patients. there is no moral or ethical explanation to allow a single patient to play mind-fuck with others. Also, "Andrew's" violent tendencies are actual and documented. He has disfigured Moocher, for crying out loud. Gandhi says - and this is not a fantasy - that "Andrew" has to "snap out of it" instantly because, due to his violence, there are doctors who want to have him lobotomized.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 11:24 a.m. CST

    ...the thing is, Some Other Guy enjoyed sitting...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...through the movie...there was much to enjoy.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 11:25 a.m. CST

    Some Guy talks to Sixies

    by Subtitles_Off

    You have to realize that SHUTTER ISLAND is a period piece and during the 50s psychiatric medicine was still in the relative dark ages. they locked bed-wetters in institutions, for crying out loud. That is one of the themes running through SHUTTER ISLAND that is wasted by the rote, predictable and ridiculous "mystery" of Lahanne's original.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 11:27 a.m. CST

    Some Guy tells Some Other Guy

    by Subtitles_Off

    I'm with you nearly 100%. The director is giving us the wrap-up signal. They want to cut to Oprah or some shit. <P>What's your rating, star-wise?

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 11:30 a.m. CST

    Yeah but in hindsight

    by Six Demon Bag

    That the main conceit...you have to acknowledge and accept that he's given free reign about the place... He's unarmed, has supervision for the most part, security is basically around him...

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 11:30 a.m. CST

    Stabby reminds Some Guy

    by Stabby

    That this was the 50s. Some seriously f-d up shit was done to mental patients up until recent history. Dr. Ghandy really believe that Andrew was capable of rehabilitation whereas the majority of the other patients were not. I'm sure worse experiments than this have taken place in mental institutions in real life, for instance lobotomy which is a horrifying last resort as it is in the film.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 11:30 a.m. CST

    ...sadly, Some Other Guy's rating is exactly the same...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...as the first Guy's, and for the same reasons.<P>I loved half of this movie...the other half was a bold, but failed experiment.<P>Three stars.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 11:32 a.m. CST

    Interesting parallel, plot-wise, to SHUTTER ISLAND:

    by ColonelFatheart

    Blatty's THE NINTH CONFIGURATION. You guys see it?

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 11:33 a.m. CST

    Nicely done.

    by Subtitles_Off

    Also, Col., nice review of your own, there. I'll post it up at Right-Brain Archives, you-know-where.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 11:35 a.m. CST

    Thanks, Subs. I forgot to include my star rating,

    by ColonelFatheart

    following your rubric: ★★★★☆ ½

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 11:36 a.m. CST

    Capital job, Subs and Flick.

    by ColonelFatheart

    I look forward to seeing this feature again and again.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 11:36 a.m. CST

    I think it's being marketed wrong...

    by Six Demon Bag

    I can see why people will be blindsided. It's basically played as a mystery of a lost person then slowly and subtly turns to a schizo pyschodrama...there's a lot I liked and not really much I would change...

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 11:38 a.m. CST

    Some Other Guy, it was not "ALL A DREAM"

    by Stabby

    It was a glimpse into the mind of a man and how he is trying to come to grips with his past, his sins and his reality. That is more profound than it was all just a dream. Everything in the movie has a point, because it helps unlocks the secrets to the protagonist's character and reveal who he really is.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 11:38 a.m. CST

    Awe shit..they're rolling the credits on the show

    by MacReady452

    SPOILERS: Anyway....I left the movie having no idea what the "Law of 4"was. Forgot about it, didn't remember them explaining it, didn't seem to be relevant. Guess I wasn't paying attention.<p>Anyone who has ever seen a movie had to know Leo was crazy but I enjoyed the ride finding out how and to what extent he was crazy. Did they ever explain the band aid on his temple? I never caught the explanation on that and it was the most obvious clue that he was a patient already.<p>Once they described "Rachel's delusions" it was pretty obvious that was HIS condition.<p>The mossy prison was unbelievably great. The weather added to the tense atmosphere and sucked me in. I feel like I say this all the time...cast was great except Leo. He wasn't bad at all but he is so "movie pretty" I can never accept him as a "real guy". 8 out of 10

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 11:39 a.m. CST

    ...too bad we agreed on so much...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...people paid for blood and tears and all we did was cuddle. <P> Fortunately now we have strong differing opinions from the rest of you guys...let the real fun begin!

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 11:39 a.m. CST

    oh i guess 4 outta 5 stars

    by MacReady452

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 11:40 a.m. CST

    Leo had his Sean Penn moment in the lake

    by Six Demon Bag

    Almost brought me to tears...

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 11:42 a.m. CST

    Mac, I think the band-aid is left

    by Subtitles_Off

    unexplained. It's remarked about once or twice - "How's your head" - and it might add credence to Sixies electro-shock treatment theory.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 11:42 a.m. CST

    ...I liked Leo.

    by FlickaPoo

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 11:43 a.m. CST

    Flick, even Siskel and Ebert agreed

    by Subtitles_Off

    a lot of the times.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 11:44 a.m. CST

    I thought Leo was good in this.

    by Subtitles_Off

    Most convincing he's been since he was on TV and had to pretend to look up to Kirk Cameron.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 11:45 a.m. CST

    who left the note in the cell?

    by Six Demon Bag

    about the 67th patient and the LAW of 4?<P>did the doctors plant it there? to jog his psyche?

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 11:46 a.m. CST

    show me that smile again...

    by Six Demon Bag

    ooh show me that smile!

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 11:46 a.m. CST

    ...oh, I know Stabby...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...I was being hyperbolic and simplistic with IT WAS ALL A DREAM...there's a lot more to it than that.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 11:47 a.m. CST

    I thought Leo's "movie pretty" looks took a back seat.

    by ColonelFatheart

    He looked really weathered and lined. He did a lot of acting through his eyes in this, too. There wasn't a moment he wasn't in deep, metaphysical pain, and it showed.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 11:48 a.m. CST

    sixies review

    by Six Demon Bag

    ★★★★☆...just cause ive only seen it once and there are some things left unanswered that might be better explained a second time round..

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 11:49 a.m. CST

    ...I think it's a noble failure.

    by FlickaPoo

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 11:53 a.m. CST

    I think this may end up as one of Scorsese's

    by ColonelFatheart

    most studied films.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 11:53 a.m. CST

    I thought Mark Ruffalo was good

    by MacReady452

    I thought that was a decent "twist" that he was a doctor and not just a "figment" of Leo's mind. Wasn't he sitting next to Leo when they were interviewing the patients and someone comments on his looks and running the group or was he out of the room at that point? Anyway he is developing a lot of character in his face as he gets older. He has done some good stuff in the past but i think his best films are yet to come.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 11:53 a.m. CST

    ...I kinda like Michelle Williams, but I thought she was...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...terrible. Distracting, unintentionally funny...<P>I don't think it was her fault...I think Scorsese gets the blame for that one.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 11:54 a.m. CST

    flick

    by Six Demon Bag

    you just gave it 3 stars outta 5...that aint a failure...thats better than average...<P>only it can be deemed a failure cause we're talking about marty...<P>but then sometimes he just wants to cut loose..and not make GREAT FILMS...<P>i look at this film as an experiement...can he do it?<P>the answer is yes...naturally.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 11:55 a.m. CST

    I agree, Mac.

    by ColonelFatheart

    That head shake at the end was heartbreaking. Ruffalo is one of the finer actors working today.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 11:55 a.m. CST

    Yeah, Mac. He was there for the patient interviews.

    by Subtitles_Off

    He left momentarily while Crazy Lady #7 warned "Teddy" to RUN.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 11:56 a.m. CST

    it makes sense that the other patients didnt

    by Six Demon Bag

    want to discuss andrew to teddy around his "partner"...<P>im sure all these little nuances that ARE there will resonate more clearer the second time.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 11:57 a.m. CST

    Re: Michelle Williams

    by ColonelFatheart

    On the contrary, Flick, I thought she did a fine job, particularly during the real flashback at the end. Her crazy is very, very real, and it feels very dangerous.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 11:58 a.m. CST

    Unfortunately, Col.

    by Subtitles_Off

    I think all that study will be for naught.<P>Other than the "movie" aspects of the film - it's style, directing, lighting, pacing, etc. - which all merit study. Those things are all perfect.<P>The story is just useless. Won't hold the weight of any serious study. It's B-movie junk.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 11:59 a.m. CST

    anyone know how COP OUT did?

    by Six Demon Bag

    whoops...

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 12:01 p.m. CST

    Sixies, they don't want to mention "Andrew"

    by Subtitles_Off

    because to do so risks a physical beating as "Andrew" gave to "Noyce." there's nothing deeper than that to that specific aspect of the story. "Andrew" is feared by patients and staff. That's why they're all on edge, and that's exactly the reason the story falls apart.<P>I don't care who Dr. Gandhi is, he would not be allowed to stage such a potentially dangerous "role-play," putting other patients at physical and psychological risk.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 12:01 p.m. CST

    COP OUT opens this Friday.

    by Subtitles_Off

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 12:01 p.m. CST

    nobel failure:)

    by MacReady452

    I feel like that's lipstick on a pig. No matter what you put before or after the word FAILURE it's still FAIL. That's like giving me the finger and saying, "But I'm wearing a diamond ring." Yeah that's a pretty ring. You still told me to go fuck myself.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 12:02 p.m. CST

    ...I mean Noble Failure in the military or sports sense...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...I think he lost the battle, but he put up an admirable fight.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 12:02 p.m. CST

    oh it didnt release yet...

    by Six Demon Bag

    my bad..

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 12:04 p.m. CST

    I agree with Flick, RE: Michelle.

    by Subtitles_Off

    She's a cipher. But, then again, she represents his idealized memory of her, so maybe her emptiness is a perfectly reasonable acting choice.<P>That's another reason the movie falls apart for me. You can't really trust yourself while you watch it, and while that's fun some times, and part of the intended experience in this case, it isn't very rewarding.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 12:05 p.m. CST

    I'm with 6DB, Col. and Mac

    by Stabby

    I'm glad they liked it as much as I did. I totally bought into the movie from the beginning and trusted Marty to take me where ever he wished to go. I was not trying to figure out the plot the whole time, I was just enjoying the experience. Is it perfect? No, but it is near great. ***1/2 Stars

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 12:05 p.m. CST

    HA!

    by Subtitles_Off

    Giving me the finger while wearing a diamond ring.<P>I wish I had thought of that!

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 12:05 p.m. CST

    Subs, that's all the study you need.

    by ColonelFatheart

    It won't be studied in screenwriting classes, for sure, but all that other stuff--which, really, is what makes movies MOVIES--will end up being evaluated and written about. This movie's a film aesthete's dream. Add in the fact that all the "movie aspects" of the film were what made the ridiculous story as absorbing as it was, SHUTTER ISLAND's academic value grows.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 12:06 p.m. CST

    subs

    by Six Demon Bag

    maybe gandhi was allowed to do what he did for a short time...maybe it wasnt on record to the mainland...it was on the downlow...<P>thats my only take on it..<P>and the crazy lady was trying to help him..when ruffalo walked to get her water...

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 12:06 p.m. CST

    Colon_El I agree with this being a studied film

    by MacReady452

    It allows for a lot of debate. Also..did you see that I gave you the bad ass "one-liner" at the end of floaters. Your welcome;)

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 12:06 p.m. CST

    ...I think Scorsese picked a risky hill to defend...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...he gave it his best...used every bit of terrain to best advantage...and fought bravely to the last man.<P>History makes songs and legends about noble failures...but ultimately he couldn't hold the hill.<P>And I'm not sure the hill was worth making a stand on in the first place.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 12:07 p.m. CST

    Stabby's rating is out of four, I'm guessing.

    by Subtitles_Off

    I guess four is the standard, but I prefer Netflix's five. It makes it easier to denote a baseline at three for the average.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 12:08 p.m. CST

    And valiantly, Scorsese didn't give up on the story.

    by ColonelFatheart

    You can tell he was determined to make it work. That's why the twist wasn't some cheap, bombastic reveal. It was always there, just under the surface, like it is in Andrew/Teddy's conscience. There really is no twist, just an acknowledgement.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 12:09 p.m. CST

    ...Stabby, ***1/2 out of *****?...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...I thought you liked it better than that.<P> ***1/2 is just OK in my book.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 12:10 p.m. CST

    i think marty thought the script was good enough...

    by Six Demon Bag

    and he elevated it pretty high was his style...<P>think if this was in the hands of some other director..

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 12:10 p.m. CST

    Mac, I appreciate it.

    by ColonelFatheart

    Hair of the dog, Lloyd. Hair of the dog.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 12:11 p.m. CST

    No, It's out of 5, Subby

    by Stabby

    Like you, I reserve 5 stars for masterpieces only.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 12:11 p.m. CST

    "Crazy lady is trying to help him"

    by Subtitles_Off

    Agreed. And yet another Maguffin. Why would she want to help him? She knows he might end up lobotomized? If she's "in" on the act, as she would HAVE to be for it to work - and think about that for a moment, the doctors are counting on loonies for key roles in their little farce - she knows they're trying to help him, not hurt him.<P>

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 12:12 p.m. CST

    I used to be all about the four-star scale,

    by ColonelFatheart

    but I've come to embrace the five-star. So much more flexibility.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 12:12 p.m. CST

    on second thought..thank god for Flick

    by MacReady452

    I think I'm getting carried away with "its Marty" love. 4 out of 5 stars is near perfect. I enjoyed the ride and loved the look of the movie. The problems were in the writing and narrative and general flow of the movie. I also thought Michelle was really good for the role she played. I really hated the shit outta her at the end. After rethinking it 3.5 outta 5.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 12:13 p.m. CST

    Hell, even crazy Poison Ivy is "in" on it,

    by Subtitles_Off

    if you want to interpret her "shusshing" him at the beginning that way. And, I say, why not, since nothing is clear, any interpretation is fair game. That's sloppy.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 12:13 p.m. CST

    Subs, what are you talking about?

    by Stabby

    She's crazy. She doesn't know or care that the doctors are trying to help him. She only knows they are playing him. And the other patients were not critical parts of the scheme, imo.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 12:13 p.m. CST

    Did you mean four and a half out of five, Stabby?

    by ColonelFatheart

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 12:15 p.m. CST

    There seems to be a consensus forming.

    by Subtitles_Off

    Can't wait until 'Lop shows up and schools us all, and we all start letting half stars fly hither and thither.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 12:15 p.m. CST

    ...I have to have five stars. I need to be able to...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...split things right down the middle if necessary.<P>If I was Ebert I'd need a sideways thumb.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 12:17 p.m. CST

    Yeah, they always needed that sideways thumb.

    by Subtitles_Off

    Most times, it isn't as cut and dried as "up" and "down."

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 12:17 p.m. CST

    Flick, I can count on my hands how many movies

    by Stabby

    I consider 5 stars. So, 3 1/2 is high for me.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 12:18 p.m. CST

    at one point

    by MacReady452

    after Leo was wearing the orderly whites, I thought it would turn out that EVERYONE in white would be patients and that the "patients" he had interviewed were actually the nurses. When he was staying in the orderly quarters during the storm I was almost sure of this.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 12:18 p.m. CST

    But Chuck/Sheehan knew that the "crazy lady"

    by ColonelFatheart

    at least said something to him. They were clearly keeping an eye on them. I wouldn't be surprised if she was told to tell him to run as part of the act as it would play into his paranoid fantasy.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 12:18 p.m. CST

    ...when I think back on the woman in the cave...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...I can't not picture her as The French woman in LOST.<P>Maybe Leo had been on a LOST bender and she crept into his subconscious.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 12:19 p.m. CST

    Anyone check if 'Lop's review is up at AIBN, yet?

    by Stabby

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 12:20 p.m. CST

    Stabby, those two patients aren't in on it?

    by Subtitles_Off

    Why are they, as well as smiley guy with the rake, the only patients at the staff meeting being conducted that "Teddy" returns and nearly walks into? The patients aren't in on it? Why are they shackled at the start and not at the end? Oh, crazy people just let themselves get shackled without issue, all the time. or, maybe, those patients don't even exist. They're all figments of his imagination? Either way, as I said, it's sloppy.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 12:20 p.m. CST

    really want to watch THE DREAM TEAM now...

    by Six Demon Bag

    i think there were different levels of loonys in the bin...and i think teddy said that the responses sounded coached...like they were told what to say...perhaps they were given extra outside time if they cooperated..

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 12:21 p.m. CST

    I love that cave scene.

    by Subtitles_Off

    Second best thing in the movie next to the execution at Dachau.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 12:22 p.m. CST

    I stand by my ★★★★☆ ½ rating.

    by ColonelFatheart

    If this came out in the Aughts it would have made my top ten.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 12:22 p.m. CST

    ...I love DREAM TEAM...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...every day, a good man is deprived of his cupcake...and we sit here and do NOTHING.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 12:23 p.m. CST

    Oh yeah: THE NINTH CONFIGURATION.

    by ColonelFatheart

    Did anyone say they had seen that? It's plot is VERRRRY similar to SHUTTER ISLAND.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 12:23 p.m. CST

    Yes "coached."

    by Subtitles_Off

    Therefore, "in" on it. You can't be "crazy" and still be relied upon to act as you are coached.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 12:24 p.m. CST

    Never seen 9TH CONFIGURATION.

    by Subtitles_Off

    Never seen DREAM TEAM either.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 12:25 p.m. CST

    yeah i think the cave scen is the centerpiece

    by Six Demon Bag

    or hinge of the film...<P>she is basically his subconscious talking to him...<P>and its so true that once youre labeled crazy, every action you do and have done will only enforce that...<P>the mere accusation of that is hurtful..like being labeled a communist by the HOUAC.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 12:26 p.m. CST

    NINTH CONFIGURATION is fascinating,

    by ColonelFatheart

    even if its very ending is too sunny and "inspirational" for its own good.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 12:26 p.m. CST

    We are eventually going to have to put

    by Subtitles_Off

    SPOILERS back on, guys.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 12:27 p.m. CST

    Another thing you don't get, Subs

    by Stabby

    Is that Andrew was Dr. Ghandi's golden goose. Being a U.S. Marshal the government would have special interest in him. If Dr. Ghandi were to cure him then it would prove his methods to work and he would be granted government funding. He mentions this in the movie. Do you really find it that hard to believe that a psychiatrist in the 50s with with near free reign would use an elaborate experiment to save his research. The fact that they are experimenting on the inmates is built into the script and perhaps that is not all illusion. In fact we know that it is not.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 12:28 p.m. CST

    dream team

    by Six Demon Bag

    1990 comedy with chris lloyd and peter boyle and michael keaton who are in a mental institute and they go to a baseball game things go awry...

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 12:28 p.m. CST

    Sixies, I wish the film had been about that.

    by Subtitles_Off

    SPOILER<P>SPOILER<P>SPOILER<P> <Br> <Br> <Br> <Br> <Br> But, with the ending, all of that has to be tossed as his "delusion."

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 12:29 p.m. CST

    didnt know they were off???

    by Six Demon Bag

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 12:29 p.m. CST

    ...I thought the most interesting part was just how...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...convincing Ben Kingsley was at the end...how fragile and subjective your own perceptions are...

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 12:30 p.m. CST

    NINTH CONFIGURATION is the true sequel

    by ColonelFatheart

    to THE EXORCIST. Not EXORCIST f'n II.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 12:30 p.m. CST

    Gonna check out Shock Corridor soon

    by Stabby

    One critic compared Shutter Island to it.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 12:32 p.m. CST

    Wow. Box office futures trading exchange

    by ColonelFatheart

    is on track for approval. Basically you'll be able to bet on whether a movie makes x amount of dollars. Wow. WOW.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 12:33 p.m. CST

    The Cave scene is the point that it

    by MacReady452

    is CLEAR that he is crazy. She is just hanging out in a cave like Spock in New Trek and she has no shoes on. She's fuckin Rambo? That is where this movie lost it for me.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 12:34 p.m. CST

    ...SHUTTER ISLAND reminded me of THE MAGUS...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...by John Fowles...except for the ending.<P>A young English guy has a teaching post on a small Greek island...and the other half of the island is owned by an eccentric rich guy who fucks with his head with elaborate staged events.<P>Fowles also wrote the famous and excellent THE FRENCH LIEUTENANT'S WOMAN.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 12:35 p.m. CST

    Stabby, don't tell me what I don't get. SPOILER

    by Subtitles_Off

    I know that's the explanation for the plot. I get it. I just don't buy it. Not for a minute.<P>Von Sydow, The Warden, the entire Board, are all shown to have more importance than Dr. Gandhi. I don't believe the entire institution's manpower would be put into service for the benefit of a single patient, U.S, Marshall or not. <P>Of course, had there been insidiousness and a government conspiracy at work, it'd be a different thing. But the ending tells you - in no uncertain terms - that such is NOT the case.<P>The plot is propelled on suspicions that turn out to be contradicted at the end, rendering all our assertions invalid.<P> That's why it's a cheat.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 12:36 p.m. CST

    Sixies, I've been spoiling the thing right and left.

    by Subtitles_Off

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 12:36 p.m. CST

    But Subs, just because it was part of his SPOILER

    by ColonelFatheart

    SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER <p><p><p>delusion, doesn't mean there isn't truth in it. There's archetypal/subconscious truth in everything he sees/envisions throughout. It just becomes more pronounced as his journey progresses. The idea of the cave itself is archetypal very prevalent in philosophy and psychology, dating back to Plato's Allegory of the Cave. Are we looking at shadows of the real thing, or the real thing? Even shadows take on a lot of characteristics of the ideal or actual.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 12:37 p.m. CST

    all the "crazy" scenes are played straight though

    by Six Demon Bag

    so you really dont know what to believe...at least i didnt..<P>and what of the rats??? what was their purpose?

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 12:37 p.m. CST

    awe. 6 don't leave out Stephen Furst

    by MacReady452

    he has so few credits and this is a great one;)

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 12:37 p.m. CST

    Stabbers, I ain't saying you're wrong.

    by Subtitles_Off

    And, I'm not saying I'm wrong.<P>I'm saying that the ending makes fools of us both, and that's why I'm not a fan of the story. I am, however, mightily impressed by Scorsese and all's efforts.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 12:38 p.m. CST

    subs

    by Six Demon Bag

    yeah i just thought it needed a warning at the beginning...

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 12:38 p.m. CST

    Colonel I smell a gambeling problem

    by MacReady452

    in my future.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 12:38 p.m. CST

    yeah mac i know...

    by Six Demon Bag

    but hes not the main draw for subs..

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 12:39 p.m. CST

    *not saying I'm right*

    by Subtitles_Off

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 12:40 p.m. CST

    The SHUTTER ISLAND cave scene reminded me a lot

    by ColonelFatheart

    of the cave scene in last week's LOST episode, actually. For those of you that care/watch, anyway.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 12:40 p.m. CST

    But, it is all a conspiracy

    by Stabby

    And they are plying him with psychotropic drugs and they have brandished him as insane and they will never let him leave.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 12:41 p.m. CST

    ...my complaints are more mechanical...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...most of the movie has a slightly hokey HARDY BOYS feel to it. It's intentional, because the whole thing is a combination of Leo's delusion and an elaborate therapeutic dinner theater put on by Ben Kingsley...OK, fine. But we're still left watching two hours of dinner theater.<P>Just because it's intentional doesn't make it right.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 12:44 p.m. CST

    It is after all pulp fiction, Subs

    by Stabby

    It doesn't have to be 100% real. i just bought it and you didn't. And I think it does a very effective job of portraying psychosis, from my own experience.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 12:45 p.m. CST

    SPOILER

    by MacReady452

    I also didn't buy into the part where he jabs Max with the syringe on his way to the lighthouse. Yeah..he is violent and one of their top guys is left alone to possibly get killed. All he had to do was jam that bad boy in his neck and rip it out. No more Max.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 12:45 p.m. CST

    The rats are SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER

    by ColonelFatheart

    another trial in Teddy/Andrew's self-imposed heroic narrative, and, in film language, I believe, they stand for the inherent evil/corruption oozing out of the island, at least in Teddy/Andrew's eyes. In another layer, they symbolize Teddy/Andrew's corruption becoming more apparent.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 12:45 p.m. CST

    Flicka, but the dinner theater is not the movie

    by Stabby

    the movie is around the dinner theater. Subs, could speak to this better having seen it twice.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 12:46 p.m. CST

    ...and while watching the movie I kept thinking...

    by FlickaPoo

    ..."wow, that's cool...wow, that not...wow, that was great...wow, that was ridiculous...wow! Great scene...wow! That was just silly..."<P>All the silly or hokey stuff makes perfect sense in light of the conclusion, but you still have to sit through it...I don't think the end justifies the means.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 12:49 p.m. CST

    ...Stabby, it IS the movie...it takes up the bulk of screen...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...time...I think that if the dinner theater is going to take up that much screen time, you have to make it work better for the audience.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 12:49 p.m. CST

    You're correct Stabby, although, SPOILER - SPOILER,

    by Subtitles_Off

    I wouldn't use the word "conspiracy." I'd use the word "argument." Dr. Gandhi represents the more enlightened, compassionate psychiatric method. Everything else, and everyone else, represents the old method, cruel and torturous, or a more medicinal approach. The problem is: THAT ARGUMENT IS NOT REAL. And, further, we're supposed to believe it's occurring in Dicaprio's mind! <P>At the end, the sun is shining. The yard is nice. Flowers are growing. The patients are smiling and walking around without chains. THAT IS THE REALITY. The beginning is the hallucination.<P> The methodological argument is mostly sub-text put there as the film's Red Herring.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 12:50 p.m. CST

    I almost agree with you, Subs, about the

    by ColonelFatheart

    plausibility of the experiment. Almost. Then I think about the government-sponsored experiments with LSD, mind control and isolation chambers. Also, if Teddy/Andrew is allowed to completely indulge his fantasy of still being a working U.S. marshal, his violent tendencies would likely be reduced to a controllable amount as he sees himself, down to the suit and fedora, as someone doing his noble duty.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 12:50 p.m. CST

    Netflix, sending me Hunger today

    by Stabby

    anyone see it yet? Supposed to be really powerful. And being Irish it might be too much for me.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 12:52 p.m. CST

    Left Field RE: Furst

    by MacReady452

    Anybody ever see the Fairy Tale Theater stuff with the celebrities. Three Little Pigs had Furst, Billy Crystal, and Jeff Goldblum and I thought it was funny as all fuck. My little sister made me watch it all the time as kids and I never got tired of it. If you have kids (Flick I'm looking at you) and want something that won't make you wanna tear your eyes out, check this out.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 12:53 p.m. CST

    Haven't seen it, Stabbers, but as a fellow

    by ColonelFatheart

    Irishman, I fear the same thing. Have you seen THE WIND THAT SHAKES THE BARLEY? It devastated me for days.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 12:54 p.m. CST

    Catherine danueve and David Bowie?

    by Subtitles_Off

    Nope. I haven't seen that one, either. Lettuce know what you think of it, Stabbers.<P>(And, hey, you know already, but I want to make it clear - I'm not trying to force my interpretaion, RE: SHUTTER ISLAND. Your points are all valid. As you said, it worked better on you than it did on me. That's all.)

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 12:55 p.m. CST

    ...Mac, that's been on my queue for years...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...shiny new movies keep pushing it back...I'll have to check it out though. Fortunately there's time...my rodent is only 2.5

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 12:57 p.m. CST

    ...and I would lilke to say...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...that arguing this movie with you guys makes me want to see it again...that's pretty cool.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 12:57 p.m. CST

    Col. I did see Wind that Shakes the Barley

    by Stabby

    And it was heartbreaking. And I'll never be able the enjoy a good Black and Tan the way I used to before.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 12:58 p.m. CST

    ...thanks Colonel, THE WIND THAT SHAKES...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...THE BARLEY was on my queue, but got lost in the shuffle of switching from Blockbuster to Netflix.<P>I had forgotten about it...thanks.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 12:58 p.m. CST

    Note to self: Do not see WIND THAT SHAKES THE BARLEY.

    by Subtitles_Off

    Self enjoys Black & Tans too, too much.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 12:59 p.m. CST

    work is dumb. i go there now.

    by MacReady452

    keep pedaling. see yalls later.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 12:59 p.m. CST

    Fairy tale theater

    by Six Demon Bag

    Good stuff as a kid... Some were directed by Tim Burton and Coppola if I remember correctly...

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 1 p.m. CST

    Bye Mac.

    by Subtitles_Off

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 1 p.m. CST

    ...I love JIM HENSON'S STORY HOUR...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...anyone see it?

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 1:01 p.m. CST

    Hey, Stabby McStabster....

    by Subtitles_Off

    You're "Bouncing." Do you know what that means? Are you Tigger?

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 1:01 p.m. CST

    That's cool, I know, Subs

    by Stabby

    If you remember, I predicted you'd give it 2 1/2 stars last week.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 1:01 p.m. CST

    Cause of the shining sun and all

    by Six Demon Bag

    Can we assume the storm was all a delusion too?

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 1:02 p.m. CST

    "Fairy Tale Theater"

    by Subtitles_Off

    Was that Shelley Duvall's HBO thing? That was really good. I remeber Mick Jagger in "The Emperor & The Nightengale."

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 1:03 p.m. CST

    ...Mac, I loved the end of your story...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...I think Asi should survive as a smart, witty, stubborn bouncing head...and when he guzzles Portuguese wine it just gushes right out his neck, making him always grumpy.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 1:04 p.m. CST

    Yeah, but had you seen it then?

    by Subtitles_Off

    I thought you were just picking on me because I usually rate things on the low side.<P>Anyway, I gave it an extra star more than you expected. I think it honestly earns it.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 1:08 p.m. CST

    Anybody have Vudu?

    by ColonelFatheart

    Wal-Mart just bought it.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 1:08 p.m. CST

    Sixies, we can assume what we want.

    by Subtitles_Off

    As I said, that's the thing I consider to be a weakness that others might be okay with. Once the resolution calls everything in to doubt, you're free to pick and choose.<P>I'm on the side of the storm being an illusion. I'm also on the side of "Teddy's" never climbing down the side of the cliffs.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 1:09 p.m. CST

    What's Vudu, Col.?

    by Subtitles_Off

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 1:09 p.m. CST

    I'm actually glad i liked it more than I thought I would

    by Stabby

    I definitely did not have high expectations going in, even though it was Marty. I agree with Col., his best since Casino, which is another flawed near-great movie.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 1:11 p.m. CST

    Vudu's an online movie service increasingly

    by ColonelFatheart

    built into more HD TVs and Blu Ray players. I had never heard of it before today.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 1:11 p.m. CST

    BTW, the greatest single thing about SHUTTER

    by Subtitles_Off

    ISLAND that I've yet read was written the other day by Stabby. He called it a "speechless walk to the EXIT movie in many ways, even if you like it."<P>I wish I had thought of that.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 1:12 p.m. CST

    ...I'm digging Colon-El's Jungian dream theory defense...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...bring up Plato's Cave and you've got my attention.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 1:12 p.m. CST

    Ew. Does that mean Walmart is going to start

    by Subtitles_Off

    censoring films the way they censor music cds?

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 1:15 p.m. CST

    Thanks, Flick.

    by ColonelFatheart

    Although, I have to admit, I have to do some more reading up and give SHUTTER another go before I really articulate my argument. It's there, though.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 1:15 p.m. CST

    Can't wait to do COP OUT

    by Six Demon Bag

    With you guys

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 1:15 p.m. CST

    So, what does everybody think?

    by Subtitles_Off

    Some Guy & Some Other Guy<P>Yea or Nay?

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 1:18 p.m. CST

    ...HA!...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...[crickets]...

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 1:19 p.m. CST

    Yeah, really.

    by Subtitles_Off

    [crickets]

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 1:19 p.m. CST

    Also, in the cave scene, note the framing.

    by ColonelFatheart

    The flame prominently obscures part of each character's face, underscoring both the inherent unreality of the scene and its meaning/reference to the Platonic allegory. Not to mention the fact that fire plays a VERY important part in the narrative. In fact, SHUTTER ISLAND is a very elemental movie, and not just from a psychological perspective. Wind (hurricane), water, fire and earth (the island itself) all play significant roles. And there's a healthy dose of heart in there, too, for you Capt. Planet fans.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 1:19 p.m. CST

    Agreed subs

    by Six Demon Bag

    After they pull back the curtain it can be assumed that it never stormed and he didn't descend the cliffs...did anything happen?? His onscreen convo with crazy in the third ward? Argh!

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 1:20 p.m. CST

    That's OK. I think you did exceptionally, Flick.

    by Subtitles_Off

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 1:20 p.m. CST

    Sorry, guys, about the delay. I vote YEA.

    by ColonelFatheart

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 1:21 p.m. CST

    Hey Guys!

    by DrMorbius

    James Cameron just announced his sequel to AVATAR will be called...<P>Flight of the NA'VI gator...<P>adiós para ahora

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 1:21 p.m. CST

    ...I enjoyed myself immensely. It could be fun mix up...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...the cast...pit two Pedalbackers against each other to dance and bleed for our pleasure.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 1:23 p.m. CST

    Flick, Subs, your critique of SHUTTER ISLAND

    by ColonelFatheart

    reminds me a lot of my former logic/philosophy professor's take on NIGHT OF THE HUNTER, although your view isn't as extreme as his. He says NIGHT a bad movie, mostly because of the plot, but an excellent bad movie he revisits often because Laughton's aesthetic is so rich with meaning and archetype.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 1:23 p.m. CST

    Yeah, any two Peebers can be

    by Subtitles_Off

    Some Guy & The Other Guy. Because, frankly, how often are you and I, Flick, going to be able to see the same movie at the same time?

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 1:25 p.m. CST

    Oh, I think NIGHT OF THE HUNTER

    by Subtitles_Off

    is just wretched.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 1:25 p.m. CST

    Guys, I got some errands.

    by Subtitles_Off

    Be back later this afternoon.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 1:26 p.m. CST

    I liked it guys

    by Six Demon Bag

    Think we should do this more often...mainstream films that will be good and anyone will have a chance to see....still waiting for the opines of conti and Eff

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 1:26 p.m. CST

    ...Doc!! How have you been?

    by FlickaPoo

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 1:29 p.m. CST

    I'm quite eager to read Conti's take.

    by ColonelFatheart

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 1:30 p.m. CST

    Well, that was fun.

    by TedKordLives

    I'm on board for this thing.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 1:32 p.m. CST

    MFFlicka...

    by DrMorbius

    Good...and sore, tried reading as much of the PB as I could, you were never around then though. You did say that kkbb finally saw Avatar, what node/day was that? No idea what the 'Archives' are! How are things with you and Mrs.Poo and the Flickette?

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 1:32 p.m. CST

    Adios, Subs.

    by ColonelFatheart

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 1:33 p.m. CST

    Lo, a beetle appears.

    by ColonelFatheart

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 1:40 p.m. CST

    ...everything is well Doc, except that I'm going to...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...have to duck out in a minute...the refrigerator repairman is on his way.<P>I don't think BangBang ever wrote up a real review...he/she got back late and wanted time to cook up a proper Ode to AVATAR...then disappeared again...

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 1:42 p.m. CST

    ...BangBang hinted that the wait was worth it though.

    by FlickaPoo

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 1:42 p.m. CST

    Colonel, Flicka, Doc

    by TedKordLives

    What's shaking on this cold, windy Monday?

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 1:44 p.m. CST

    The SHUTTERS are shaking today, Teddy.

    by ColonelFatheart

    Did you see SHUTTER ISLAND yet?

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 1:45 p.m. CST

    ...Ted, all our food spoiled in a broken fridge...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...I'm living on wine (red, white requires chilling) and boiled shoe-leather.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 1:46 p.m. CST

    Speaking of movies that are a little too obtuse...

    by TedKordLives

    Anyone here seen the Bill Pullman/Bill Paxton mind fuck 'Brain Dead'? It sounds pretty similar to 'Shutter Island'.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 1:47 p.m. CST

    The Herzog Diet eh, Flick?

    by ColonelFatheart

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 1:48 p.m. CST

    I haven't seen that, Teddy.

    by ColonelFatheart

    First I'm hearing of it. I'm intrigued.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 1:54 p.m. CST

    Have not seen Shutter Island yet.

    by TedKordLives

    Even after reading all the spoilers, I think I'll still go see it for the visuals and the performances. <P> I might even wear my Scorsese shirt.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 1:55 p.m. CST

    Flicka, that's sucky.

    by TedKordLives

    But hey, lotsa wine on an empty stomach aint all bad, am I right?

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 1:55 p.m. CST

    Pedalback: The Next Generation...

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

    “Captain Subs…”<p>“Yes, Number One?”<p>“The last of the Ambassadors has bamfed aboard and we have been cleared for departure by Starbase 12.”<p>“Splendid Mr. Moose. Teddy, take us out of orbit…”<p>“With pleasure, Sir.” TedKordLives was the youngest member of the bridge crew of the USS Gary Oldman and this was his first time at the helmsman position. He was positively beaming as he punched and clicked the buttons on his control panel. <p>“Steady, Teddy,” Captain Subtitles Off cautioned the young man as he ran his hand across his freshly shaven head. Being bald DID lend him a commanding presence, he had finally decided. “Series 7, plot a course for the Misogyny system, warp 8.”<p>“Course plotted and entered into the nav-computer .” Capt. Subs knew the numbers would be right even without the Nav-computer. Series 7 was a super sophisticated android, after all. “Refresh rates are at optimum..”<p>“Engage…” ordered the Captain with his catch-phrase. Momentarily, the still picture of stars on the view screen began to move toward them with incredible speed …<p>As the bridge crew busied themselves with their assignments and the ship eased into warp, Anonymoose took his chair on the right hand of the captain’s careful not to let his wide spanning antlers hit anyone around him. <p>“You look troubled, Number One,” observed Subs. <p>“It’s just this mission, captain. How is the planet Nazareth important enough to the Pedalback Federation to send not one, but three Ambassadors? From all I’ve read, it’s a very backwards world in a very dangerous system. They‘re lacking in even the most basic of human decencies. ”<p>“Now, Moose, tolerance is the very thing that the Pedalback Federation and the AICN fleet were founded to spread throughout the galaxy…”<p>“But, Sir, they treat their women like objects and their objects like women on Nazareth.”<p>“Our new 10 Forward barkeep is originally from the Misogyny system, is she not?”<p>“That is correct, Sir,” Chimed in Series 7. “She was born on the planet Kobe.”<p>“Home of the marauding Space Ass Pirates,” added a deep growling voice from behind them. “Something else we need to be prepared for.” Mr Stabby , Chief of Security stood almost a foot taller than the rest of the crew.<p>“Not to worry, Number One. Even a backwards people like Mr. Stabby’s eventually came around to the Pedalback Prime Directive…Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations… I mean his people still graft blades onto their bodies and tattoo themselves head to toe. And, you know how I feel about tattoos.”<p>Stabby grumbled something under his breath but went back to his monitoring station. <p>“Apparently,” continued Captain Subs, “The Federation aren’t the only ones interested in the Misogyny system…One of the Ambassadors we are carrying is from the Baleback Empire.”<p>“Captain.” chimed the intercom.<p>“Subs, here. What is it Counselor Flickapoo?”<p>I think you need to get down here, Sir. We’re having problems with the Baleback Representative.”<p>“Problems, Counselor?”<p>“He keeps insisting that his quarters ‘do not exist in his Dojo‘.”<p>“I’m on my way, Mr. Stabby, with me, Moose you have the bridge….”

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 2:01 p.m. CST

    I DID see The Wolfman, tho.

    by TedKordLives

    First of all, Benicio Del Toro is the shit. How the hell did he channel Lon Fucking Cheney so well? The man may in fact be the Spider-Man villain known as the Chameleon. <P> Second, I LOVED Anthony Hopkins in this movie. He was in that mode where he'll say completly outrageous/important things in a perfectly off-hand, casual way. I love it when he does this (See:Bram Stoker's Dracula, The Edge). <P> Third, Emily Blunt is a beautiful woman. I'd like to thank Joe Johnston for the side-boob. <P> Fourth, "Hey Danny Elfman, shut the fuck up for a second." Jesus, man, sometimes silence is better for creating a mood. <P> Fifth, this is the most gratuitously gory mainstream film I've seen in quite a while, and that was greatly appreciated. <P> Overall: ★★★ (out of 5)

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 2:05 p.m. CST

    Awesome, Cheeses.

    by TedKordLives

    But I'm fucking CHEKOV? <P>I know it's TNG, but I'm still Chekov.<P> Ah, as long as I have that mod Monkees haircut, I'm ok with it.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 2:11 p.m. CST

    Sublime, Cheeses.

    by ColonelFatheart

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 2:13 p.m. CST

    Ted...

    by DrMorbius

    Thanks for the WOLFMAN review, short form. I'll give it a go this week.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 2:16 p.m. CST

    Ha, Cheeses!

    by Stabby

    Lt. Worf was always my favorite. i was worried I'd be Wesley. And I hope this is heading to the Holodeck at some point.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 2:20 p.m. CST

    'moose shoulda been Data, however

    by Stabby

    since he's the Pedalback's unofficial Chief Science Officer.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 2:22 p.m. CST

    Oh, I guess I'M Wesley, then.

    by TedKordLives

    This being TNG and all.<P> Wait, Cheeses, did you know that the kid that played Wesley voiced Ted Kord on the Brave & the Bold? <P> Or is that the universe telling me, once again, that I was right in choosing Ted as my avatar?

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 2:25 p.m. CST

    No problem, Doc.

    by TedKordLives

    Short form's all I got time for at work, but then again I'm no Ebert over here; that's probably the best review you can get outta me.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 2:26 p.m. CST

    ...wait, I'm the Mediterranean looking woman who...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...is constantly getting "strong feelings" about things?<P>I'm getting a strong feeling that I have to go play with my boobs now...while making pouty faces at myself in the mirror...

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 2:42 p.m. CST

    I guess Scary Waitress is Gynan

    by Stabby

    Whoopi Goldberg. She's not gonna like that.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 2:49 p.m. CST

    Does this mean I'm going to be

    by ColonelFatheart

    Q?

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 2:50 p.m. CST

    sup tedders?

    by Six Demon Bag

    who am i in star trek? i wanna be barclay! <P>EffDub can also be ensign ro!

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 2:50 p.m. CST

    When Subs and Stabby arrived at the Ambassador’s quarters...

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

    they found Counselor Flickapoo arguing with a man in a solid white suit with a camera.<p>“Ah, Captain…”Flickapoo greeted them. “We can’t get the Ambassador to calm down.”<p>“I’ve never seen him act like this before,” added the man in the white suit.<p>“And you ARE?” Captain Subs asked the man.<p>The man handed Subs a business card but the Captain waited for a reply before looking at it. “I’m Vader, D. Vader, just like on the card…I’m the Documentation General of the Baleback Empire…It’s my job to follow the Kia everywhere he goes and record his every move for prosperity.” <p>Subs stared at the man like he were a bug. “Flick, what is upsetting the Ambassador?” <p>We don’t know, Sir…he just keeps yelling ’this does not exist in this Dojo‘, ‘that does not exist in this Dojo‘…I don’t even know what a dojo is…”<p>“Very Well,” Captain Subs acknowledged. “We’ll just have to ask him.” <p>The doors to the suite swished open and the large snake-man that was the Baleback representative was obviously agitated. The hood that flared out and surrounded his neck and face was fully expended and he slithered back and forth across the room nervously flicking his forked tongue… “This bed does not exist in this Dojo…” he was muttering. “This lamp…”<p>Ambassador Cobra--Kia? I am Captain Subtitles Off, welcome aboard the Oldman. I understand you aren’t happy with your quarters. I’ll have my people make whatever arrangements necessary for your comfort.”<p>“Comfort does not exist in this Dojo,” the snake man hissed. <p>Subs looke at Vader for help. “I’ve only seen him like this once,’ Vader told him. “When he thought there were invisible beings harassing him on Paranoid 6. I wonder…” Vader then stepped up to the Ambassador, “Mighty Kai, are you being haunted?” <p>The snake’s eyes locked onto Vader’s and he seemed to calm down a little.<p>Subs touched his communicator, “Mr. Six…I require your expertise on deck 27 room 213...<p>“On my way,” was the only reply.<p>“Mr. Ambassador,” Subs addressed the snakeman, “I understand the Baleback Empire has an interest in the Misogyny system. “<p>“Misogyny does not exist in this Dojo…” but he was a little calmer. <p>I have great respect for the Baleback Empire. Praise be to Bale.” Subs clasped his hands and bowed toward the Ambassador. <p>“Praise be to Bale,” he responded and bowed appropriately. <p>“You’re making progress, Captain,” encouraged Flick. “I sense him calming but still afraid.” <p>Then the doors whisked open and SixDemonBag stepped inside. “What can I do to help?” he asked. <p>Subs held up his hand to keep Sixes from entering any further. “Ambassador Kai, This is my Chief Engineer, SixDemonBag, he is also an accomplished Shaman among his people. I have asked him here to exorcise your room. Does he have your permission?”<p>The Snake man nodded his head and the crest around it fell slightly.<p>“Okay, Sixes, do your stuff…”<p>Sixes walked to the center of the room and Vader set up his holocamera. Sixes then cupped both hands around his mouth and in a horrifyingly loud voice screamed, “BITCHES LEAVE!!!” <p>Immeadiatly the Ambassador perceptively relaxed. “Thank you,” he offered, “Praise be to Bale.”<p>“Those ghosties shouldn’t bother you any more, sir. They are banished to my bag, which can hold a LOT more than just the six it’s name implies. Anything else I can do, cause if not I’m checking on why our refresh rates seem to be dropping the closer we get to Nazareth.”<p>That will be all, Commander Sixes…nice work.”<p>“Captain,” came the intercom. It was Moose. “I think you need to get up to the bridge…”<p>“Understood, on my way….I look forward to seeing you at the reception, Ambassador. You too, Mr. Vader” <p>Subs and Stabby left the room and head ed to the turbo lift…”What is it Moose?” <p>“I think you better see it for yourself..”

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 2:51 p.m. CST

    even better im the blind guy!!!

    by Six Demon Bag

    fucking great!

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 2:58 p.m. CST

    Nice work, Cheeses.

    by anonymoose

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 2:59 p.m. CST

    Cheeses, you're melting ...

    by ColonelFatheart

    ... my brain, this is so good.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 3:03 p.m. CST

    A RECYCLED SONG ABOUT RECYCLING

    by anonymoose

    FunnyOrDie.com/m/3l7d

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 3:09 p.m. CST

    Thanks, Guys...

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

    and no, Teddy, about Wesley/Ted Kord...but that's just another case of Pedalback Syncronicity...

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 3:11 p.m. CST

    Reports: 5,000 'overtly sexual' iPhone apps purged

    by anonymoose

    http://tinyurl.com/yfscuyu

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 3:11 p.m. CST

    Six Demon Barclay!

    by TedKordLives

    'Sup homie?

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 3:14 p.m. CST

    WSJ critic's take on SHUTTER ISLAND similar

    by ColonelFatheart

    to mine: http://tinyurl.com/yb8w4tw <p>"But for all the immediacy and seemingly disposable pulp in its fiction, 'Shutter Island' requires multiple viewings to be fully realized as a work of art. Its process is more important than its story, its structure more important than the almost perfunctory plot twists it perpetrates. It's a thriller, a crime story and a tortured psychological parable about collective guilt. But in the end, "Shutter Island" is the cinematic equivalent of a Joseph Cornell box, a world of appropriated ingredients given new meaning through their combination and juxtaposition. It won't be a beloved movie. It will inspire doctoral dissertations. And while this news may not bring unbridled joy to the folks at Paramount Pictures, let them be consoled by the thought that it possesses a kind of obsessive perfection."

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 3:16 p.m. CST

    Cheeses, that's great stuff.

    by TedKordLives

    But shit like that is EXACTLY why Ted Kord lives in my heart.<P>Too many things tell me that he's supposed to.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 3:18 p.m. CST

    And I CANNOT believe...

    by TedKordLives

    I didn't see Sixies 'exorcism' coming at all.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 3:20 p.m. CST

    yo yo yo

    by Six Demon Bag

    when you going to SI?

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 3:26 p.m. CST

    HA! Watch this.

    by anonymoose

    http://tinyurl.com/yj3gx3b <P> These are real posts on real forums.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 3:28 p.m. CST

    I'll have to look at that later, 'moose.

    by ColonelFatheart

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 3:28 p.m. CST

    Sixies

    by TedKordLives

    I'm returning to my home state this weekend, and I may catch it there, but I'll prolly catch a matinee of SI the weekend after.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 3:48 p.m. CST

    Whatever he thought he would see when he got to the bridge…

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

    Was nothing like the scene that greeted Captain Subs and Stabby when they exited the turbo lift. The entire crew were standing mesmerized by the scene on the view screen. <p>“DAFUCK?” was all the Captain could mutter. “What IS that?”<p>“Unknown, Sir,” answered Series 7. “Accessing ships logs to determine it’s nature.” <p>“It looks like an amoeba,” offered TedKordLives. <p>“That’s a pretty fackin’ big amoeba, ensign,” replied the Captain. “Moose?” <p>“Unknown, Captain. But, it measures 200 thousand parsecs. I have Dr. Morbius and Flickapoo on the way to the bridge.” <p>“Can we go around it?” Subs asked. <p>“Not without missing the summit on Nazareth by a week,” answered Series 7.<p>“Mr. Stabby, recommendations?”<p>“I recommend STABBING it…”<p>“Subtitles Off grinned, “Somehow I thought you might.”<p>the turbo lift doors opened and Dr morbius and Counselor Flick entered the bridge. “What magnification is that screen on?” asked the doctor . “’Cause that looks like a giant fackin’ amoeba.” <p>“Captain,” Flick said suddenly looking woozy and swaying. “I think it’s alive…and I’m sensing an intelligence…not much of one, to be sure, but an intelligence, none the less…it’s trying to speak thru me…it says it’s name is Dirk….”

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 3:48 p.m. CST

    The LaDanian Tomlinson era in S.D. is over.

    by ColonelFatheart

    http://tinyurl.com/yed24lu

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 3:52 p.m. CST

    'I recommend STABBING it...'

    by TedKordLives

    BWAH-HAHA-HAHAHA!

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 3:54 p.m. CST

    "but an intelligence, none the less"

    by ColonelFatheart

    Yes.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 3:56 p.m. CST

    Colon-el

    by TedKordLives

    Hehehe.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 4:09 p.m. CST

    Set Phasers to STAB!!!

    by Stabby

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 4:11 p.m. CST

    Good use of Flick's ellipses, Cheeses.

    by ColonelFatheart

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 4:13 p.m. CST

    'moose

    by Subtitles_Off

    That animated clip is funny. Makes you wonder how an artist would interpret a day on The Pedalback.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 4:13 p.m. CST

    HA! Cheeses on a roll.

    by Subtitles_Off

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 4:14 p.m. CST

    Sinbad got funny.

    by Subtitles_Off

    When did that happen?

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 4:15 p.m. CST

    ThisLamp does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    Haha! Nice writing Cheeses, a good mixture of the serious disciplined Starfleet Officers with the in-joking Pedalback vibe. Keep it going!

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 4:16 p.m. CST

    Two Trigs?!?

    by ColonelFatheart

    Bullshit, or not? http://tinyurl.com/twotrigs

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 4:21 p.m. CST

    Q....well done mate...more?

    by DrMorbius

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 4:23 p.m. CST

    Colon-el......are you in Dagp?

    by DrMorbius

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 4:29 p.m. CST

    Prop Trig and Stunt Trig.

    by Subtitles_Off

    I say bullshit, but stranger things have happened. She'd get away with it too.<P>"Yes, I have used a substitute stunt baby. I often have to have him photographed way past his bedtime, donchaknow. What kind of mother would I be, subjecting my child like that, as if he were a prop?"<P>"But, ex-Governor Quitter Palin, aren't you in fact using a child as a prop, regardless of whether it's your baby?"<P>"Regardless? Regardless? Are you implying that this baby is somehow better than my baby? Are you trying to say my baby's malformed ears are something he should be ashamed of? How dare you? I say how DARE you!"<P>"No, just pointing out that you are making a prop of a human being."<P>"Listen. I've paid well for the use of this substitute child, who in God's eyes, is a precious little miracle American, just like my own. In Obama's hopey-changey America, we couldn't afford to get our baby's ears fixed, and what could would that do my campaign, holding up a baby with ears that are gonna gross everybody out?"

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 4:30 p.m. CST

    OOPs.....Dago, as in San.

    by DrMorbius

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 4:31 p.m. CST

    *what good could*

    by Subtitles_Off

    FACK®!

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 4:31 p.m. CST

    Doc: No I'm not. Just a football fan.

    by ColonelFatheart

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 4:32 p.m. CST

    Morbius, Archives refers to our Group.

    by Subtitles_Off

    http://tinyurl.com/yz3kena

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 4:35 p.m. CST

    Subs, I don't know what DEFUCK to believe

    by ColonelFatheart

    with the Quitta from Wasila. I really don't know. Nothing would surprise me.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 4:43 p.m. CST

    Whoever told you that you weren't funny, Cheeses...

    by TedKordLives

    ...is deserving of many a kidney punch. Maybe a few eye pokes as well.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 4:48 p.m. CST

    Ok, I've been staying off of here because I wanted to write

    by Continentalop

    A review on SHUTTER ISLAND and not be influence by you guys. <p> So what did everyone think of it?

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 4:48 p.m. CST

    Subs...thanks for the link...

    by DrMorbius

    What is required to sign in?

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 4:50 p.m. CST

    Shit. I'm scanning though this TB

    by Continentalop

    And I see that Subs doesn't like NIGHT OF THE HUNTER. <P> I thought I knew you Subs.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 4:50 p.m. CST

    The USS Gary Oldman dropped out of warp ...

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

    and stopped 3 parsecs away from the bizarre giant amoeba. It’s glowing cilia changed colors and writhed across the open vacuum of space. <p> “Counselor Flick, is this ’Dirk’ the cause of our rapidly decaying refresh rate?”<p>“I believe so, Captain. It is toying with us. I sense it means no harm, it is just…confused…” <p>“Number One, who is our resident expert on microscopic life forms?”<p>“That would be Lt. Calls, Sir,” Moose answered. “I’ve tried to get him on his communicator, but I keep getting the message that he is only taking Scorpio’s calls.”<p>“Scorpio? Who’s Scorpio?”<p>“Captain,” interjected Flick, “Lt. Calls is over due for his psyche evaluation and spends way to much time on the holodeck. I don’t know how much help he will be in his current state of mind…”<p>“Find him, Mr. Stabby, and have him brought immediately to the Bridge.”<p>“Aye Captain…” and with that the large man left to find the microbiologist.<p>“Can I speak to this Dirk, Flick?”<p>“Yes, it can hear you…It says hello.”<p>“Greetings, Dirk…We are …”<p>“Dirk knows who you are,” Flick’s eyes rolled back into his head and he acted possessed.<p>“We wish to know more about you,” Subs offered.<p>“I am Dirk the Amoeba. I must be the only one of my kind… I am lonely…”<p>“But, Dirk, no need for that…we count many unique beings among our number here on this ship…Series 7 is an android and my first officer is a genetically uplifted caribou from my home world of Earth. He is often very alone, but he has found friends, comrades among the Pedalback Federation…”<p>“I thought I was small, but I am very large…perspective is something new to me…”<p>Dr. Morbius turned to Moose. “This Dirk is either a giant amoeba with an inferiority complex or a tiny amoeba with delusions of grandeur.” Moose held a digitalized finger to his lip in effort to quiet the doctor. <p>“I heard that….and it has given me much to ponder…Be on your way,” and as suddenly as it had appeared, the giant amoeba disappeared leaving Counselor Flickapoo to drop onto the carpet. <p>“We should have taken Stabby’s advice,” Teddy said under his breath…<p>“What was that, ensign?”<p>“Nothing, Captain…I said you handled that real nice…”

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 4:51 p.m. CST

    Conti, I gave it 4.5 stars out of five.

    by ColonelFatheart

    I say it's Scorsese's best since CASINO. My review is up above and posted at The Shelter in the RIGHT BRAIN CINEMA section.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 4:53 p.m. CST

    Conti

    by Six Demon Bag

    3 to 4.5 stars out of 5 is the average

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 4:56 p.m. CST

    Is your review ready, Conti?

    by ColonelFatheart

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 4:59 p.m. CST

    The floor is yours conti

    by Six Demon Bag

    We are all friends here

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 5:07 p.m. CST

    Morbs, sorry for the delay,

    by Subtitles_Off

    you have to be registered on Google (which you already are if you use any of the free aol-based e-mailers), but you can register anonymously if you want. When you request membership, just be sure to use your AICN handle, so we'll know it's you. Once approved, sign in to Google, click on the My groups link, update your profile and look for the posted message titles "READ ME FIRST." That should get you going.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 5:10 p.m. CST

    I sent it to AIBN Colon-El and 6DB

    by Continentalop

    I have an exclusive Shutter Island review deal with them. I'll talk about the film, and even tell you what I thought of it. But the full review goes up there.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 5:11 p.m. CST

    Thanks again...will use MORBIUS...

    by DrMorbius

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 5:11 p.m. CST

    As for my review

    by Continentalop

    I give it 3.5 out of 5. Kind of a compromised rating because it isn't a three or a four, so you can accuse me of playing it safe.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 5:12 p.m. CST

    'Lop,

    by Subtitles_Off

    This is my "review" of NIGHT OF THE HUNTER.<P>This 1955 film is often described as a masterpiece, an AFI best-ever. It introduced a singular villainous archetype in the diabolical false preacher, Harry Powell, played by Robert Mitchum. Still, as far as I'm concerned, the character, with his profane conversations with God and his exaggerated gestures, is a cartoon, far sillier than scary. A criminal chasing stolen money in the possession of a couple of creepy pre-teens, he's easily bested at nearly every turn, and, despite a proverbial dichotomy tattooed across the knuckles, about as complex as one of the irradiated monster mutations in any of the B-movies from the time. Everything in the film is painted in florid strokes, including intentionally fake sets, infuriatingly phony supporting characters and moody lighting. Consider the scene where Powell chases the cherubs up cellar steps, clutching at them like some kind of slapstick nosferatu. It's been cited as a classic of suspense. I found it "soda through the nose funny." There are a couple of undeniably remarkable scenes - the discovery of the siblings' mother's ultimate fate and Mitchum's relentless pursuit witnessed by the boy from the loft of a barn. Yet, the climax, from Lillian Gish's heavily shadowed standoff as God's good angel against the devil (diminished to whooping like a swamp bird) to a wildly inappropriate mobs-with-pitchforks riot, seemed to me like clumsy parody. Dated hokum.<P>★★☆☆☆ ⅔

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 5:12 p.m. CST

    Hey DrMorbius

    by Continentalop

    Nice to see you outside of Werewolves on the Moon for once.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 5:15 p.m. CST

    I will definitely check it out when it's up at AIBN.

    by ColonelFatheart

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 5:17 p.m. CST

    I guess that is what I liked about it Danny

    by Continentalop

    The pettiness and patheticness of evil. To a young child, even the weakest villain is a monster.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 5:17 p.m. CST

    Exclusive with AIBN.

    by Subtitles_Off

    Pish! After we held off all weekend?<P>Golly.<P>I rated SHUTTER ISLAND the same, 'Lop. I guess I'll have to go over to AIBN to see if you can articulate my point of view better than I can myself.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 5:18 p.m. CST

    Who is Danny?

    by Subtitles_Off

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 5:19 p.m. CST

    Ha! You know what is funny Subs

    by Continentalop

    Trying to type up WHY I only gave it 3.5 stars. I just was so tempted to say "Because it felt like 3 and a half stars Damn it!"

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 5:21 p.m. CST

    FUCK!

    by Continentalop

    I've been doing this all day. I'm at this office working today and the door is opening so I am typing what I hear people say outside. Someone just called for this guy Danny. <p> I hope I didn't do that with my f'ing review.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 5:26 p.m. CST

    I'm about to groove on out of here.

    by ColonelFatheart

    I'll check in later. And I'll get to your review when it's available, Conti. See ya, guys.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 5:27 p.m. CST

    G'night, Col.

    by Subtitles_Off

    Much fun, today, as usual.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 5:28 p.m. CST

    ...watch out for bad guys Col.

    by FlickaPoo

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 5:29 p.m. CST

    Keep it coming Cheeses.

    by TedKordLives

    Very insightful stuff here.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 5:29 p.m. CST

    OK SHUTTER ISLAND Point!

    by Continentalop

    SPOLER to anyone who hasn't seen the film. <P> I read your review Colon-El, and I ask you and everyone else do you think the Nazi flashbacks are all fake memories? That they are constructed by Leo to help him deal with the killing of his wife? <P> I mean the dead jews could be his children, and the shot guards could be his wife. That makes the Nazi Commander Leo. <P> That's what I think.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 5:29 p.m. CST

    Flick

    by Subtitles_Off

    What did you decide to do about the fridge?

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 5:30 p.m. CST

    See you Colon-El

    by Continentalop

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 5:30 p.m. CST

    ...so, $147.47 later and our food should stop giving...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...us the shits.<P>The coldifier fan had been slowly fading for the last couple of weeks...food wasn't spoiling, but it was giving us all...um, frequent irregularities...

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 5:30 p.m. CST

    Seeya Col.

    by TedKordLives

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 5:30 p.m. CST

    Hey, there are some missionaries ...

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

    knocking on the doors of my complex...when they get here, what would be the funniest shit I could do to them???<p>I'm thinking of asking them in to help me sacrifice a goat...and have a beer..

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 5:33 p.m. CST

    ...Cheeses, I used to throw firecrackers from the roof...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...at Jehovah's Witnesses.<P>The irony that my parents were technically missionaries too didn't seem to bother me one bit.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 5:33 p.m. CST

    SPOILER RE: The Nazis

    by Subtitles_Off

    I think it's all clearly, if not completely hallucinatory, at least, highly exaggerated. We know "Andrew" was at Dachau, so he saw horrible things, but the execution of SS and the piles of frozen corpses, are probably nightmare images he has created in his mind.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 5:33 p.m. CST

    Flicka

    by TedKordLives

    There's a horrible joke that I could tell here, regarding your moniker and your fam's situation. <P> But for decency's sake, I will abstain.<P> Stain...hehehe.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 5:35 p.m. CST

    Tell 'em you gave at the office.

    by TedKordLives

    Makes no sense.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 5:35 p.m. CST

    SUBS, RE: Spoilers

    by Continentalop

    You know what is interesting is that Dr. Cawley reads Leo's background and says "He may or may not have been involved in the liberation of Dachau." <p> Interesting...

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 5:36 p.m. CST

    ...is it SO bad Ted?...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...'cause I want to hear it...

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 5:36 p.m. CST

    BTW, 'Lop, just as an admirer of movie shots,

    by Subtitles_Off

    isn't that execution sequence extraordinary?

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 5:38 p.m. CST

    'Lop, I thought he

    by Subtitles_Off

    "You most certainly were at Dachau, but you may or not have killed any guards there."<P>Dammit! I saw the thing twice, and I thought I was paying real close attention the 2nd time. That's gonna haunt me now.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 5:38 p.m. CST

    Wait!

    by TedKordLives

    How much tofu do you have in the house?

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 5:38 p.m. CST

    *said* I thought he said

    by Subtitles_Off

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 5:38 p.m. CST

    Subs, you know I was disappointed with that sequence

    by Continentalop

    Because of the CGI gunshots. I could have made those gunshots using plug-ins on my computer. <P> When I see a Scorsese movie I don't want to see anything that I could possible do. Unfair judgement yes, but it is the way I feel.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 5:39 p.m. CST

    ...Cheeses, your story is killing me...

    by FlickaPoo

    ..."stab it!"..."BITCHES LEAVE!"...<P>Like Ted, I can't believe I let that catch me off guard.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 5:39 p.m. CST

    Hey Conti....

    by DrMorbius

    I'll check out your review @aibn. Thought you were going to say 'Danny' was DGDB.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 5:41 p.m. CST

    Too gross, Flicka.

    by TedKordLives

    I'm sure you could probably work it out for yourself, or at least find the ballpark.<P> But it's so gross that typing it out would make me feel dirty. And possibly diminish my esteem here at the Pedalback, if that's possible.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 5:41 p.m. CST

    ...just threw out a big viscous tub of the Mrs.' tofu.

    by FlickaPoo

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 5:41 p.m. CST

    I've got to see it again Subs

    by Continentalop

    SHUTTER ISLAND SPOILER ALERT! <P> I have faults with the movie, but the thing about it is all about Context. Like when Kingsley reads the transcript from his conversation with Haley and Leo interprets his words as meaning something else. <P> "You put me here..." <P> "He didn't mean it like that. He meant I got him sent there..."

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 5:42 p.m. CST

    Q.....just answer the door in the nude...

    by DrMorbius

    and say please come in...i'm guessing they won't.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 5:42 p.m. CST

    6:51:18, Teddy.

    by Subtitles_Off

    Can't be diminished.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 5:44 p.m. CST

    Subs....you've got mail.

    by DrMorbius

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 5:46 p.m. CST

    The thing about seeing it twice, 'Lop...

    by Subtitles_Off

    it's a wash. You will see subtleties and nuances the second time that you might have missed the first time. And because you already know the ending, you won't be as surprise-sexed by it the second time. You'll be able to judge it as it plays out without interference from your frustration.<P>However, on the other hand, second view also exaggerates the leaps in logic that I was trying to explain earlier. Makes the story even weaker. All the subtext has been contradicted.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 5:50 p.m. CST

    I have a feeling it would do that Subs

    by Continentalop

    I think this movie is a strange contradiction, something that is very intricate and complex but also has some of the most preposterous explanations that are completely illogical. <P> It is like you have a really indepth movie with lots of subtext but you can't spend a lot of time thinking about it or else it falls apart.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 5:52 p.m. CST

    Shit

    by Continentalop

    I wish I wrote that in my review.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 5:52 p.m. CST

    ...↑that was well said, Conti.

    by FlickaPoo

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 5:55 p.m. CST

    So do you, Morbs.

    by Subtitles_Off

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 5:59 p.m. CST

    Yeah, 'Lop, and worse...

    by Subtitles_Off

    the sub-texts - things like paranoia, repressed guilt, conflicting psychiatric methodologies - are the best things about the theme, but all are rendered moot by a conclusion that contradicts them and turns them into Red Herrings to propel an absurd plot.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 6 p.m. CST

    6:51:18

    by TedKordLives

    Or the terrorists win.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 6 p.m. CST

    HA! Teddy!

    by Subtitles_Off

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 6:03 p.m. CST

    Call me crazy....

    by TedKordLives

    But SI is starting to sound more and more to me like After Hours, thematically speaking.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 6:04 p.m. CST

    I still like to look at SHUTTER ISLAND

    by Continentalop

    As Arkham Asylum's origin story.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 6:05 p.m. CST

    Ted

    by Continentalop

    You're crazy.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 6:08 p.m. CST

    I thought that was a good one too, Subby.

    by TedKordLives

    I'm going to retract my After Hours comment on the basis that I may have to explain it, and also because I haven't actually SEEN 'Shutter Island'.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 6:10 p.m. CST

    That would be an interesting topic

    by Six Demon Bag

    After hours was nothing more than a fever dream brought on by anxiety from work

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 6:11 p.m. CST

    Yeah, but I've seen After Hours more times than you.

    by TedKordLives

    So there.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 6:16 p.m. CST

    Hey you're the one who asked me to call you that

    by Continentalop

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 6:17 p.m. CST

    Of course,

    by TedKordLives

    That statement is impossible to quantify. But there is a lot of paranoia and identity issues in After Hours. I don't know, I'm probably not qualified to speak to these things (See: My Wolfman Review).

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 6:20 p.m. CST

    What the fuck is up with the CU of Greedo's eyes

    by Continentalop

    It takes me like 20 minutes to figure out what I am looking at with that ad up there.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 6:21 p.m. CST

    Oh, yeah, I did.

    by TedKordLives

    (I hate it when people do that.)

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 6:22 p.m. CST

    'Lop...To me, Greedo's eyes look like...

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

    two purple breasts on an Orion Slave Girl...

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 6:22 p.m. CST

    BTW - How is it going Ted?

    by Continentalop

    You planning on seeing SI?

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 6:23 p.m. CST

    Cheeses

    by Continentalop

    I was thinking "am I looking some reptile girls weird purple tits or two olives or what" <P> I really should read the ad instead of just stare at it confused...

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 6:25 p.m. CST

    Pretty good, Conti. No complaints. You? Still on vacation?

    by TedKordLives

    I'm heading back to the home state this weekend, so I may see it with family. If not, it'll be a matinee next weekend. <P> Of course, I had the shit spoiled out of it today, but that was my decision.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 6:25 p.m. CST

    ...I still say that if you are going to make SHUTTER...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...ISLAND, the first conversation you need to have is...SPOILER...<P> ...OK, we have this story where 80% of what happens isn't technically real...it's either part of a delusion, or it's elaborate therapeutic theater for the sake of a mental patient...how do we make that seem artificial in retrospect, but not blatant and annoying as it is happens on-screen.<P>It's a difficult problem, but I don't think they managed to thread the needle.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 6:29 p.m. CST

    STILL no fucking story about Mark Strong being cast as Sinestro

    by D.Vader

    ... on AICN. Fucking amateurs. This goddamned news has been floating all over the web, I even emailed Harry, Quint, and Merrick about it, and STILL no story on the subject on the front page. <p> And they wonder why AICN is such a fucking laughing stock at this point. <p> Oy. Just needed to vent my frustration with my one time favorite website from the age 14 to 28.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 6:30 p.m. CST

    Vader...Scroll up to my Next Gen Stories...

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

    You figure prominently in one chapter so far...starts at 01:55:52 PM...

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 6:32 p.m. CST

    Flick SPOILER

    by Subtitles_Off

    I don't think threading the needle was their primary concern. I think Marty was trying to recreate psychosis in the audience, as silly as that might sound. "Teddy's" paranoia is supposed to be felt as opposed to intellectualized.<P>I don't think that diminishes your argument. In fact, maybe it strengthens your point of view. <P>I just think he was trying to visualize "crazy" without being too sign-posty about it.<P>Your point is that it all is hard-hammered.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 6:35 p.m. CST

    ...we're here for you D. Break it for us...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...we're the Cool News now.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 6:37 p.m. CST

    I had the same reaction Subs

    by Continentalop

    SPOILER to FLICKS SPOILER, SPOILING IT FOR SUBS. <P> To deviate from what you guys were saying, I don't Scorsese cared if you figured it out or not, because this movie isn't about a twist or even illusions. It is about DELUSIONS. About lying to yourself about what is really going on. <P> And to lie to yourself you have to know deep down what the truth is. That is why the movie felt so "false" and "obvious" at times, but Andrew choice to ignore those warning signs. The film is about how paranoia and self-loathing can make someone reject reality.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 6:38 p.m. CST

    Speaking of 'Visualizing Crazy'.

    by TedKordLives

    I caught Gregg Araki's 'Smiley Face' last night, and thought he did a good job of visualizing what it's like to be really, really stoned. <P> And Anna Faris is hilarious in it as well.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 6:38 p.m. CST

    Everyone associated with the creation of AICN

    by Subtitles_Off

    has moved on to bigger things. They are too important to be bothered with their silly, little one-time hobby.<P>Yet, things like Cinematic Shrimp, in my estimation, are the way to go. Turn this thing into a creative arts studio on the internet.<P>AICN will evolve into something else. It's not like we're going to miss any "news." Geek cinema advanced-info sites have popped up all over the place.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 6:39 p.m. CST

    Ted, not on "vacation" any more

    by Continentalop

    More like I'm doing this part time. A mild but necessary diversion from work and home life once in awhile. <P> I work in the film business with a bunch of comic book fans and the only place I can come for real discussions is here or AIBN or Werewolves on the Moon. Sad really...

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 6:41 p.m. CST

    D. Vader, I think Flick is right

    by Continentalop

    The draw now is the TBs. They don't even have to try and do stories anymore. <P> All this place is a big empty buidling where people come to meet and talk. The "stories" are just an excuse for us to go to another room.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 6:48 p.m. CST

    Perfect analogy, Conti.

    by TedKordLives

    To me, it's like Dr.Pym's Infinite Avengers Mansion over in 'Mighty Avengers'.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 6:53 p.m. CST

    I wish they coulda incorporated teddys last phrase

    by Six Demon Bag

    Into the film earlier...giving it more ambiguity.<p> how did you like the ending ending conti?

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 6:59 p.m. CST

    Yeah, Sixies,

    by Subtitles_Off

    used that instead of "How'd you get so wet, baby?"<P>Jesus, did I get sick of that phrase. When Dr. Gandhi says it to begin the resolution exposition, I wanted to throw some shit.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 7:02 p.m. CST

    ...I don't think I explained myself well. I don't care...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...that the artificiality of what happens on the island gives away the ending...I care that what happens on the island is irritatingly artificial. Artificial bordering on silly at times. I think that's a problem.<P>Like I said earlier, everyone in the theater kept laughing through the entire middle third of the movie, and while I hate to agree with the plebeians...they weren't always wrong. The artificial and dreamlike pace of events got comical after a while.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 7:04 p.m. CST

    Gandhi sounded so gay at that point

    by MacReady452

    and Cheeses story is off to a great start. "LEAVE BITCHES!"

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 7:11 p.m. CST

    Hey, Mac...What's shakin'?

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

    You inspired me man...Loved the ending of your Floaters tale...all action all the time...And Hair of the Dog...Great shout out...

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 7:13 p.m. CST

    They said Leo was the most violent patient

    by MacReady452

    they had. He killed his wife, and beat the shit out of JEH for calling him by his real name. What else did he actually do though? In the end they act like the lobotomy is the last resort for him as a "hard case". He wasn't like Bronson or anything. Seemed like the doctors were taking the easy way out with him. He relapses and thinks he is back on the case. Lets say the doctors give up on him and he just "becomes" Ted and everyone calls him Ted. So what? He is just one more wack job on an island full of wackos. NEW POLICY PEOPLE! Call Andrew, "Ted". All better.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 7:14 p.m. CST

    "How'd you get so wet, baby?"

    by TedKordLives

    I don't know the context, but it's hard to imagine a scene where that line doesn't inspire SOME giggles.<P> Then again, I'm not Martin Scorsese (tho I do have a t-shirt with his picture on it).

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 7:14 p.m. CST

    Well, Mark Strong is Sinestro

    by D.Vader

    According to Geoff Johns who went down to New Orleans to visit the production offices. There's your Cool News. Its not Jackie Earl Haley, its not Hugo Weaving, its Mark Strong.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 7:15 p.m. CST

    That baby phrase...

    by Six Demon Bag

    Howany times did they use it? I only it heard it once by gandhi

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 7:17 p.m. CST

    Hair of the Dog just hit me like a lightning bolt

    by MacReady452

    I was gonna make him medusa and JettL the Kracken but then I put 2 and 2 together and it made sense. My 2 favorite parts at teh end were my bullshit explaination and then my character says, "Makes sense." and then when we all sit down in the road facing away from each other. I'm loving your stuff so far Cheeses.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 7:18 p.m. CST

    Teddy is it bearded cokehead Marty on the shirt?

    by MacReady452

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 7:18 p.m. CST

    IMDB confirms mark Strong as "Sinestro"

    by Subtitles_Off

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 7:19 p.m. CST

    ...SPOILER Mac, I was wondering that too. He's supposed...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...to be THE MOST DANGEROUS PATIENT EVER, but "all he did" was shoot his wife after she drowned their three kids. You're telling me that in a world of serial-killers, rapists, and serial-killer-rapist-cannibals he's the worst of the worst?<P>Crazy aside, he'd probably be out in five years today. They'd probably get him aggravated manslaughter.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 7:20 p.m. CST

    In other news...

    by TedKordLives

    Bruce Willis tells MTV that M.Night is still thinking about Unbreakable 2, and he's down for it if Sam Jackson is. <P> Man, I hope that comes together.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 7:20 p.m. CST

    Sixies, it's used at least four times.

    by Subtitles_Off

    I think "Sheehan" even says it to "Teddy" at some point.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 7:21 p.m. CST

    ...UNBREAKABLE 2...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...don't toy with me man...my heart isn't unbreakable.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 7:21 p.m. CST

    "Wet" line happens 3 maybe 4 times

    by MacReady452

    his first time seeing her with the burning back, Gandhi, the actual flashback in its proper context and then I think maybe they set up the gandhi scene just before with it. no less than 3 times though.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 7:22 p.m. CST

    Flick, I totally get you.

    by Subtitles_Off

    I think you're correct, truth be admitted. I think some of us can be accused of cutting Martin slack because he's Martin. I said earlier today, the same film from M. Night, with the same beats, would probably have gotten laughed out of theaters.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 7:24 p.m. CST

    Mac

    by TedKordLives

    Naw, it's suit-and-glasses Scorsese. <P> It's kinda stylized, so it's got people guessing everyone from Ralph Nader to George Romero. If they guess Romero I allow them to labor under that misconception.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 7:24 p.m. CST

    Unbreakable 2

    by MacReady452

    If he doesn't get sick and doesn't "break" wouldn't that slow his aging process as well? Sorry to naysay right off the bat but...lets just leave well enough alone.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 7:27 p.m. CST

    Flick

    by Six Demon Bag

    I was thinking that too...he had to have had a screw loose or went nuts at work and pulled a memento...looking for his wifes killer or fire bbug when there wasn't one...

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 7:27 p.m. CST

    ...UNBREAKABLE2: SLIGHTLY LESS UNBREAKABLE...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...DUE TO NORMAL BONE CALCIUM LOSS, BUT STILL BREAK-RESISTANT.<P>I don't know, it could be kinda cool if he aged normally...but was just impervious to trauma and illness or something.<P>I'd give it a shot.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 7:27 p.m. CST

    Nader and Romero..not bad guesses

    by MacReady452

    I suppose it acts as a sort of profiling device. After their guess you have a good idea of the kind of person your dealing with. gotta get me one of them shirts.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 7:27 p.m. CST

    It's ok, Mac.

    by TedKordLives

    They can digitally de-age him a few years. Since the FX budget on the movie should be slim-to-none, it shouldn't be a big problem.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 7:31 p.m. CST

    BTW I enjoyed Some Guy and Some Other Guy

    by MacReady452

    Just let everyone else in as callers. If you wanna express an opinion post RING RING and then Some Guy can say, "Lets go to Conol_El in Ireland. Hi Colon." after he posts come back with, "Thanks for the call Colon. Keep listening."

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 7:33 p.m. CST

    They can just use all the CG from Surrogates

    by MacReady452

    in Unbreakable 2: Still not broken.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 7:34 p.m. CST

    ...HA! Mac..."let's take a caller. Let's go to Ted...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...in Austin."<P>Ted: "Hi Some Guys, long time reader, first time poster..."

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 7:38 p.m. CST

    There's a new pic to gander at in the shelter.

    by anonymoose

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 7:39 p.m. CST

    Nice Mac, Flicka.

    by TedKordLives

    Mac, that's using yer noodle! Great idea!

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 7:43 p.m. CST

    I liked SG&SOG a lot too, ...

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

    Even though I have no interest in seeing Shutter Island, but maybe if these are gonna be pre-arrainged in the future, the Pedalback Cave could be used to organize the two narratives prior to presentation on the pedalback proper...Make it a thread only you two can enter or something, if you want it to be secret or open if you want all imput, then after it is posted open it up for callers...<p>Gets rid of the time delay and gives you both a chance to make funny before hand...<p>Also, I think any two pedalbackers who agree to see the same movie in the same opening weekend should get to play...Just my 2 cent's worth...

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 7:47 p.m. CST

    Just put something up in the Shelter

    by Continentalop

    About Westerns.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 7:47 p.m. CST

    ..."any two Pedalbackers"...I was saying that too...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...Cheeses. And occasionally we should peer-pressure two unlikely candidates to dance and bleed for our pleasure...get people out of their normal element and genre.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 7:48 p.m. CST

    RING RING

    by MacReady452

    "Hi Some Guys. Love the show. What I hated about that stupid fucking movie is that it sucked Howard Sterns balls. BABBA BOOEY! BABBA BOOEY!"

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 7:49 p.m. CST

    6DB

    by Continentalop

    SPOILERS <P> I did like the ending when Leo says "I wonder what would be worse: living as a monster or dying a good man?" <P> I thought that was a great line to be honest.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 7:51 p.m. CST

    HA HA! Flexible American Sack

    by MacReady452

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 7:55 p.m. CST

    Flick, SPOLERS

    by Continentalop

    RE: Most dangerous Person. I couldn't by Leo as the most dangerous guy, but I could buy someone saying that about his character. <P> He might have only killed his wife, but since then he has snapped. He is a trained (soldier and marshal) who believes he is completely justified to use force to get to the truth. The only reason he hasn't killed anyone else is because he is locked up. <P> Serial killers are pussies. They target the weak. Rapist target women. Serial killer-rapist cannibals have to kill someone before they can rape and eat them. <P> This guy is a KILLER. He won't back down (as Max Von Sydow pointed out) and can't be intimidated. Fuck he was ready to fight a man who said he would bite his eyeball off. <P> So yeah, I can see him being called the most dangerous patient. The other guys are mostly dangers to themselves, but when he is in fantasy land he is a danger to everyone. <P> OF course that raises the question: WHO FUCKING OKAYED THE ROLE-PLAYING SESSION. <P> "Ok. so we are going to give our most dangerous patients free reign on the island..."

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 7:57 p.m. CST

    HHHHAAAA!!! Mac...Babba Booey indeed...

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 8 p.m. CST

    OK, my review is up at AIBN

    by Continentalop

    Here is the link: <P> http://tinyurl.com/y9s2ops

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 8:02 p.m. CST

    Action Comics #1 sells for...ONE Million Dollars...

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100223/ap_on_en_ot/us_superman_first_issue<p>And Dr. Evil laughs hysterically...

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 8:03 p.m. CST

    I agree with your assessment, Conti on why SPOILER

    by ColonelFatheart

    SPOILER SPOILER Andrew would be considered the most dangerous patient. Throw in the fact that he actually sees himself as a noble enforcer of the law, and that's a volatile cocktail. This is also, paradoxically, why the role-playing works. He sees himself as a good guy doing the right thing.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 8:06 p.m. CST

    Cheeses

    by Six Demon Bag

    Someone really wanted to read it....I have a reprint...

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 8:07 p.m. CST

    ...Re: re: "most dangerous person"...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...it's interesting, I think you can see the movie struggling with all this stuff. I get the feeling they tried to split the difference by showing him mow down all the Nazis in the unreliable flashback.<P>It seems as though the movie is struggling to show his lack of balance as a character, and his potential for violence...but not so much that no one would ever consider giving him the run of the island in the first place.<P>You can feel the work going on just below the surface...trying to hold the story together...

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 8:08 p.m. CST

    And Conti, to answer your earlier question about the

    by ColonelFatheart

    Dachau sequence. SPOILER: I do believe they were embellished by Teddy/Andrew. There's a fantastical quality to the whole thing, particularly the papers flying through the air and the CGI gunshots, which you said you didn't like. I didn't mind it, and I don't think Scorsese minded the touch of unreality there, either. <p>Another thing about the Dachau scene, when Andrew/Teddy is looking at the dying commandant on the ground, there's a strange cocktail of emotions in his eyes. Hatred, yes. Revulsion, sure. But there's also pity and guilt. So, yeah, he probably does empathize with the commandant.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 8:09 p.m. CST

    Colon-El, SPOILERS

    by Continentalop

    SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER Yes, but he views himself as the noble enforcer of the law...facing a conspiracy of people the law can't touch. It is a very dangerous mix. <P> Plus, to add to the evidence of his dangerous, Max von Sydow calls him a "Man of VIolence". Sure he might not be Violent, but he can get violent and has no problem being violent. A dangerous condition when dealing with a man who is delusional.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 8:09 p.m. CST

    Ha Sixes...Me too, and it wasn't all that great...

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

    like a page or two only...<p>I bet it was Jerry Seinfeld who bought it...He's the only multi-million dollar Superman Fan I know...except maybe Nicolas Cage...didn't he name his kid Kal-El???

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 8:12 p.m. CST

    I guess Morbs decided

    by Subtitles_Off

    not to register @ Google or is having difficulty with it.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 8:12 p.m. CST

    Y'know

    by TedKordLives

    I'm glad I know what I'm in for when I go see this. I really don't like it when a movie purports to be about one thing but ends up being something else. It's trickery and I don't like it. <P> So instead of walking out angry, I'll have a chance to piece the together the 'real' movie as it unflods.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 8:12 p.m. CST

    Colon-El

    by Continentalop

    SPOILER: But he might empathize with the commandant because that is really himself. <P> OR...I have to watch the movie again because I wonder was the Commadant in the same pose as his wife after he shot her and she fell back?

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 8:13 p.m. CST

    That Flexible American sack is even

    by Subtitles_Off

    scrotal-shaped. HA!

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 8:15 p.m. CST

    Nice Review, 'Lop...

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

    Likewise to Subs, Flick, Colonelman and all of the others who posted their reviews...<p>Nothing I read made me want to see it, except for the Arkam Asylem comparisons... Is it really just a Batman Foe Arcade?

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 8:15 p.m. CST

    Cheeses

    by TedKordLives

    I don't think Nic Cage could afford the latest issue of Action Comics right now, let alone the first.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 8:20 p.m. CST

    Thanks Cheeses

    by Continentalop

    I just wish I stole some of the things Subs, Flick and the Kryptonian Proctologist wrote. My review would have been a lot better. <P> I actually do recommend the film though. I think it is one of those films with enough going on that it makes it interesting viewing. It is a character study disguised as a genre flick. I just don't think it is overly successful, but successful enough.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 8:21 p.m. CST

    Yeah, Teddy...

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

    I'm bettin' Seinfeld...Article said the buyer already had one copy at at least $3OO Thousand...

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 8:21 p.m. CST

    Batman foes in SHUTTER ISLAND.

    by Subtitles_Off

    Teddy passes Cobblepot and Poison Ivy on his way to the asylum for the first time. Ivy looks fairly rotten, as if she's been kept out of the sun.<P>Dr. Gandhi = Hugo Strange<P>von Sydow = Mr. Freeze<P>The escaped patient "Teddy" subdues is Zsasz<P>The imagined "Andrew" is Two-Face<P>The "Law of 4" note was left by The Riddler<P>There oughta be a Scarecrow in there somewhere

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 8:22 p.m. CST

    Nic Cage was probably the seller.

    by Subtitles_Off

    He had a copy of Action #1.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 8:23 p.m. CST

    Subs, you going with Von Sydow as Freeze?

    by Continentalop

    For some reason I seem him as Crane/Scarecrow. Sure he is older, but still the guy seems like a totally cold-blooded asshole who likes to scare things.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 8:24 p.m. CST

    Yeah, I'm going with the cold-bloodedness.

    by Subtitles_Off

    And Crazy Guy #1 with the foul mouth could be Johnathan Crane, since Teddy asks him "What was she afraid of? She was afraid of you!"

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 8:25 p.m. CST

    But I think when C-No saw this film

    by Continentalop

    He let out a loud "Shit" because there goes any cnahce of them shooting a Batman movie that takes place exclusively in Arkham Asylum. No way you can match the creepiness of this place.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 8:25 p.m. CST

    Cold-bloodedness equals Freeze, that is.

    by Subtitles_Off

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 8:25 p.m. CST

    Jesus, who needs TWO copies of Action Comics #1?

    by TedKordLives

    As a kid, I once neglected to pay 5 bucks for a coverless Avengers #4 at a podunk flea market. I'm still kicking myself over that one. But the point is, even if I got rich someday, that copy would be all I needed.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 8:26 p.m. CST

    There has to be a way we can all edit one document...

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

    isn't there? I mean this what 2010? How can we not have a Pedalback Concensus review, combining the best observations from each of us edited into a cohesive representation of the 5 Star rating average...?<p>It would really help people on the Movie Box Office Success Stock Market the Colonel told us about earlier...<p>I don't know about you guys, but I could stand making a few bucks off our combined handicapping...

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 8:26 p.m. CST

    Yeah, but which one is KING TUT?

    by Continentalop

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 8:28 p.m. CST

    ...arguing out a movie here always expands and...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...clarifies my understanding of the movie immensely. Either by sharpening my argument...or expanding my argument by incorporating the ideas of people I agree with...or softening my position as a result of persuasive opposition.<P>If I had to write a review, I think I'd have to hash it out here first...just to get my thoughts straight.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 8:28 p.m. CST

    SHUTTER ISLAND is going to drop 65% next weekend.

    by Subtitles_Off

    At least.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 8:30 p.m. CST

    You know I just realized something about SI SPOILER

    by Continentalop

    SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER<P> SPOILER

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 8:31 p.m. CST

    I'll take that 65%...

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

    and go with the over on 66%...<p>Sorry, Subs, old buddy, but the Price is Right...

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 8:31 p.m. CST

    What comes out next Weekend Subs

    by Continentalop

    Because I think its getting good word of mouth. The old people might start showing up next weekend.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 8:31 p.m. CST

    'Lop, you got any idea SPOILER

    by Subtitles_Off

    what "Law of 4" is about?<P>Two pairs of anagrams with different letters hardly convinces me of any "Law of 4." Does it have something to do with three dead kids and a dead wife?

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 8:32 p.m. CST

    Spoilers: My new problem with SI

    by MacReady452

    There was powerful storm. Power is lost. Ward C(?) has escaped mental patients with violent backgrounds running wild. Time to shut our little game down maybe? Maybe? No...I don't buy that it was part of the treatment. They let Leo go into the Ward and "capture" loose patients resulting in him beating the shit out of another patient. Good luck explaining that to the board of directors.<p>I feel like I am tearing this film apart. Let me re-state that I really enjoyed this movie.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 8:34 p.m. CST

    Absolutely, Subs. A big drop-off is coming.

    by ColonelFatheart

    Sixies was right, it was misleading marketing.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 8:35 p.m. CST

    SPOILER (No really)

    by Continentalop

    I thought the Law of 4 Was only about the four anagrams. That was it. <P> I think the bad psychological clues was one of the biggest weaknesses in the film. Batman foes can be that ridiculously rational, but real nuts don't make anagram rules for people to figure out. That is just...silly.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 8:36 p.m. CST

    That's my point from earlier, Mac. SPOILER

    by Subtitles_Off

    The role-play thing is a terrible explanation. It's inconceivable that such an experiment would be conducted for one, relatively unimportant patient, risking the safety and treatment of 66 others. And, remember, I think all the dark asylum imagery is all in his head anyway.<P>It's a maguffin used to propel the plot of a ridiculous, illogical story.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 8:36 p.m. CST

    Also (this is Flicks fault)

    by MacReady452

    I had just watched The Fisher King so I had some hardcore standards for asylums and the mentally ill going into this. To be perfectly honest I think a mentally ill person is potentially one of the most frightening things in the world(realisticly). I was never really scared by anything in this movie.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 8:37 p.m. CST

    Gotta run guys.

    by TedKordLives

    Been fun as always.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 8:37 p.m. CST

    But the four anagrams aren't related.

    by Subtitles_Off

    There are two related anagrams and two separate related anagrams. That's "The Law of Pairs."

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 8:37 p.m. CST

    Night, Teddy.

    by Subtitles_Off

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 8:38 p.m. CST

    What was it you just realized, 'Lop?

    by Subtitles_Off

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 8:38 p.m. CST

    Mac, I like the film too

    by Continentalop

    SPOOOOILEEERS: <P> But the film is a mix of completely absurd b-movie pulp fiction and serious, complex personal psychology and detective work. It has a little bit of a mishmash problem. <P> SILENCE OF THE LAMBS successful combined the Pulp Elements with a serious, intelligent policer. This one isn't quite as successful (but WAAAAAY better than fucking HANNIBAL).

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 8:39 p.m. CST

    They're two pairs of anagrams, Subs, but they're

    by ColonelFatheart

    four people in his mind.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 8:41 p.m. CST

    ...Mac & Subs...furthermore...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...regardless of whether such an experiment WOULD be conducted, I really don't see how it COULD be conducted. Too many variables to control. It doesn't have to be really possible, but his has to at least feel right.<P>I haven't seen it in a long time, so I could be wrong, but I remember a similar scenario feeling more plausible at the end of Fincher's THE GAME...when they have that big surprise/catharsis party at the end...and you see hundreds or thousands of people involved in the elaborate deception.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 8:42 p.m. CST

    I might have to go back and see that movie

    by Continentalop

    SPOILERS <P> To see if you can make each anagram by changing only four letters or some shit like that.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 8:42 p.m. CST

    The one guy at the Board meeting says,

    by Subtitles_Off

    "The Law of 4. I love that part."<P>You really think that's all there is to it?

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 8:44 p.m. CST

    Flick

    by Continentalop

    I thought the GAME was even more implausible. But I am not a fan of that movie. <P> At least SHUTTER ISLAND didn't try to pretend that they could predict Leo's every move. <P> Just that they would let a dangerous mad man loose on an island...

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 8:45 p.m. CST

    so you're saying that the third ward

    by Six Demon Bag

    was imaginary...<P>i think everything that got OVERexplained was imaginary..like teddy was trying to justify it..<P>like in the beginning when he said his wife died in a fire..BUT IT WAS THE SMOKE THAT KILLED HER..he made it a point to say that...<P>im sayinng the storm didnt happen..it was in his head to give him more of a heor complex and that this old civil war fort wasnt there...hell the whole island couldve been a delusion...<P>i said that when the film started to my father in law..SO THERES THIS BIG ASS ISLAND OFF BOSTON?<P>it couldve been an institution in the country for all me know...<P>marty kept his cards very close..lars yes.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 8:45 p.m. CST

    But I also wonder SPOILERS

    by Continentalop

    If this is all supposed to be part of some big elaborate role-playing game....where are the 20-sided dice?

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 8:45 p.m. CST

    I don't know. Maybe it's another one of those ambiguities.

    by ColonelFatheart

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 8:46 p.m. CST

    Okay, time to go.

    by ColonelFatheart

    Talk to y'all later.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 8:46 p.m. CST

    ...good point Mac. When Williams finally cracks...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...it's genuinely terrifying...and up until that point he was just a cute, eccentric little homeless guy.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 8:47 p.m. CST

    Sixies, good point ...

    by ColonelFatheart

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 8:47 p.m. CST

    See, one thing I realize

    by Continentalop

    SPOILERS (got to keep remember to do that so people know)) <P> Is that this is in some ways the most critic proof movie yet. It is like the episode of the Simpsons with Xena where she just says "Wizard did it." <P> "You know, it makes no sense that they would let him wander the island.." <P> "He imagined it."

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 8:48 p.m. CST

    This Dennis Lahanne is the new Stephen King.

    by Subtitles_Off

    A popular writer of garbage who becomes the go-to author for film adaptations.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 8:50 p.m. CST

    You know what would really have helped me in this film?

    by Continentalop

    SPOILERS <P> If Leo wasn't an actual Marshal. He was just some fucking accountant who killed his wife and now was living his life as a hero because in the real world he failed at everything.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 8:50 p.m. CST

    G'night, Col.

    by Subtitles_Off

    Again, watch out for...

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 8:51 p.m. CST

    Goodnight Colon-El.

    by Continentalop

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 8:51 p.m. CST

    ...I could be wrong about THE GAME. Haven't seen it...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...since it first came out. I like to think I'm a little smarter now.<P>Or at least more experienced.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 8:52 p.m. CST

    Yeah, 'Lop, that and Stabby's alternate ending.

    by Subtitles_Off

    Show Teddy escape on the ferry and then cut quickly to a lobotoed Andy being wheeled into an empty room.<P>Then everything becomes ambiguous. What's real and what's imagined?<P>That woulda slayed me.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 8:53 p.m. CST

    ...night Colon.

    by FlickaPoo

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 8:54 p.m. CST

    You want to know what also would have been bold

    by Continentalop

    SPOILERS <P> That at the end of the film Leo never acknowledges he is insane or that he killed his wife. That we are left wondering "Is Leo nuts" or "Man, they HAVE set him up to take the fall." <P> I love fucking ambiguity...

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 8:55 p.m. CST

    ...night Ted.

    by FlickaPoo

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 8:55 p.m. CST

    gotcha Subs

    by MacReady452

    the hospital isn't as scary as it's made out to be...maaaaybe. This is all relevant to the tone/reality of the story we are being told. We have to assume as fact that this asylum is for the most dangerous of the mentally ill. If this is the case then there are tremendously disturbed people in there. This is where the problem lies in the movies ability to sell me on the story. There would be raving deranged psychos. Leo is the most violent? I'm sorry...I can't buy this based on the movie I saw. Unpredictable? Maybe. I also just saw Bronson. Totally unpredictable prisoner/patient. Kept sedated at all times. Certain rules were broken in SI when it comes to violent prisoners and the movie suffers because of it.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 8:55 p.m. CST

    Ha! Subs we both demanded ambiguity...

    by Continentalop

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 8:55 p.m. CST

    I always prefer ambiguity in these sorts of things.

    by Subtitles_Off

    Otherwise, I want the explanation to be air-tight.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 8:57 p.m. CST

    Conti. SPOILERS

    by Six Demon Bag

    I think if he was an accountant there wouldn't be a justification for the role play would there? That would just enforce his delusions more

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 8:58 p.m. CST

    Exactly Subs

    by Continentalop

    Plus, you know what? An ambiguous ending is really the "Safest" ending. Now we are left with two completely opposing narratives. We can chose to accept one or the other or even both. It gives you a lot more room to fit the story into.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 8:58 p.m. CST

    Anybody remember this from last week? Only a day's worth of air

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

    http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-national/20100222/US.Plane.Crash.Pilot/

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 8:59 p.m. CST

    Do we know NO SPOILERS HA!

    by Subtitles_Off

    if Scorsese was involved in optioning this novel, or was he more of a "hired" hand?

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 8:59 p.m. CST

    Six Demon Bag....SPOILERS

    by Continentalop

    But if you have him never leave his delusion and acknowledge what happens, then we are left wondering WAS he just an accountant who was delusional, or was he a federal marshal they suckered and have now eliminated? <P>

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 9 p.m. CST

    ...I was thinking that too Conti...because if they truly...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...broke him, he would never really know...and we would never really know.<P>I was much more interested in the dangerous subjectivity of our own identity and perceptions. We need outside verification from the world and other people to confirm who we are and what is real.<P>The whole suppressed memory thing is sorta played out and cliche at this point.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 9:01 p.m. CST

    Subs I think he was just a - SPOILERS? NO!

    by Continentalop

    Hired Hand. Or got involved because of Leo.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 9:04 p.m. CST

    See this is what drives me nuts about this movie

    by Continentalop

    MAYBE SPOILERS (I'm not done writing yet) <P> So far we have had this much talk about it. We have broken this movie and continue to examine it and see both a lot of good and a lot of flaws. <P> No imagine if they had spent just a little more effort on the script and story? Fuck. We would be talking about this and examining this like a bunch of Rabbinical students looking over the Torah.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 9:04 p.m. CST

    Dick Cheney hospitalized.

    by Subtitles_Off

    I don't mean to sound inhuman, but keep your fingers crossed.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 9:07 p.m. CST

    Flick, you know what the best film is...

    by Continentalop

    ...about the dangerous subjectivity of our own identity and perceptions? <P> Videodrome.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 9:08 p.m. CST

    ...knock on wood. Anyone figure out where he keeps...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...his heart hidden away?<P>He isn't truly dead until we destroy it.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 9:10 p.m. CST

    I'm certain there is already a cabal of

    by Subtitles_Off

    evil monks, readying the glass jar in which they are going to pickle his brain in order to preserve it for placement into the skull of a future Republican Prez.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 9:10 p.m. CST

    ...VIDEODROME...haven't seen it. Sounds interesting.

    by FlickaPoo

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 9:11 p.m. CST

    Conti

    by Six Demon Bag

    Had they not made his partner the doctor it wouldve been more ambiguous...did they just mindfuck a federal marshal into taking the fall...did they just make him crazy...that would have been congruous to what cave woman said about being labeled crazy...all your actions will enforce the accusation

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 9:11 p.m. CST

    Videodrome ROCKED, 'Lop...

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

    I need to see that and The Warriors again real soon...<p>Wierd TV effects and bizzarre storyline...

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 9:15 p.m. CST

    ...I kept thinking in the movie that this is what we...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...intentionally do to crack detainees. Induce altered states through stress, sleep deprivation, hunger, and worse...remove all sensory input except what we want them to have...introduce unreliable allies and antagonists...<P>But I guess that's been done too...

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 9:17 p.m. CST

    He cannot die til ALL the horcruxes

    by Six Demon Bag

    Are destroyed...I almost got one but I was outbid on eBay...

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 9:17 p.m. CST

    Six Demon, I agree

    by Continentalop

    And like I said before, because we are talking so much about this film I know it is good...just not great. Which it could have been, Which is so infuriating.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 9:18 p.m. CST

    I'm out early tonight, all.

    by Subtitles_Off

    Good night, everybody.<P>Special shout out to Some Other Guy. I think our pilot was good enough to get picked up for syndication.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 9:18 p.m. CST

    I get the impression Satan isn't in any hurry...

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

    to let Dick Chenney into Hell...and seriously, with Hitler, Suddam Hussein already there, who needs th competition...

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 9:19 p.m. CST

    Cheeses

    by Continentalop

    Yeah I love Videodrome. I once saw James Woods in a Mel's Dinner once and yelled "Long live the new flesh!" at him. <P> I think he smiled.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 9:20 p.m. CST

    i think marty was a hired hand and then leo got attached

    by Six Demon Bag

    thats how it works in the quote business unquote..

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 9:23 p.m. CST

    Sorry, i'm back for a bit.

    by ColonelFatheart

    Subs, if Lehane is the new King, then SI is THE SHINING.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 9:26 p.m. CST

    VIDEODROME is a minor deity to me.

    by ColonelFatheart

    God, I love that movie.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 9:26 p.m. CST

    ...night Some Guy...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...watch out for Some Other Badguys.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 9:31 p.m. CST

    Ok, I'm out of here too

    by Continentalop

    See you gents. And remember, the battle for the mind of North America will be fought in the video arena.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 9:35 p.m. CST

    Gotta run again.

    by ColonelFatheart

    G'night for real this time.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 9:37 p.m. CST

    have to bump Videodrome to the top of the que

    by MacReady452

    its the Fairy Tale Theater of my Netflix que.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 10 p.m. CST

    Ian McShane as Blackbeard in new Pirates film

    by D.Vader

    Pirates of Caribbean 4 will have Ian McShane as Blackbeard. More cool news that AICN doesn't report. I could fucking run this site, jeebus.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 10:05 p.m. CST

    D.Vader..that IS real huh?

    by MacReady452

    I saw someone mention that in the Justified/Crazies TB. thought they were bullshitting. That is COOL news. Love me some Swigen.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 10:08 p.m. CST

    Sho is, Mac!

    by D.Vader

    I'd love it if, true to history, we got a glimpse of the Carolina coast where Blackbeard liked to hang out. Sadly, though, I don't think it'll happen.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 10:28 p.m. CST

    the last Pirates movie was weak imo

    by MacReady452

    With McShane in this... a pirate might actually beat a ninja someday.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 10:32 p.m. CST

    tedders and cheeses

    by Six Demon Bag

    bundle up boys...tis snow in the forecast for manana!!!!<P>and im out...gonna dream of greedo's breasts<P>now THATS a handle.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 10:34 p.m. CST

    ...night Mac. Keep the toilet seat warm for us...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...I hate waking up to a cold seat.

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 10:39 p.m. CST

    reports are capt. america casting

    by ORIONgods

    will be revaled thursday. there u go aicn give me my check lol

  • Feb. 22, 2010, 10:54 p.m. CST

    Nytol...

    by Cheeses_of_Nazareth

    Sweet dreams everybody...

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 12:01 a.m. CST

    zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    by MacReady452

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 5:49 a.m. CST

    ...asshole of fucking dawn.

    by FlickaPoo

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 7:16 a.m. CST

    VIDEODRONE is a big deity to me

    by AsimovLives

    This is no small boast, since i'm an atheist. Movies are my only gods, and i know they aren't.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 7:19 a.m. CST

    Morning, fellas.

    by ColonelFatheart

    Long live the new flesh!

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 7:21 a.m. CST

    ...good afternoon Asi.

    by FlickaPoo

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 7:24 a.m. CST

    Oh yeah, Portugal and all that. Afternoon, Asi.

    by ColonelFatheart

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 7:26 a.m. CST

    Would-be NYC terrorist pleads guilty.

    by ColonelFatheart

    No "enhanced interrogation techniques" necessary. This news is what probably sent ol' Dickless Cheney to the ER last night.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 7:37 a.m. CST

    morning guys...

    by Six Demon Bag

    bring the snow on!!!!

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 8:33 a.m. CST

    It's just rain here.

    by ColonelFatheart

    Commuting will be a pleasure, I'm sure. See you chaps in a little bit.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 9:01 a.m. CST

    bob dole is in hospital too....

    by Six Demon Bag

    i think i might win the lottery tonight too<P>and the snow...<P>this is the best day ever! ever!

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 9:21 a.m. CST

    ...Mahmoud Ahmadinejad loves AVATAR...

    by FlickaPoo

    http://tinyurl.com/yfemgls

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 9:23 a.m. CST

    ...↑ says he found it an "enriching experience".

    by FlickaPoo

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 9:24 a.m. CST

    I have a holocamera?

    by D.Vader

    Nice, Cheeses!

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 9:24 a.m. CST

    greetings from Portugal

    by AsimovLives

    Not that cold in my part of the country, but then again in i live in the south. The northenr part is suffering from extreme snowy weather. Still, for what i'm accostumed, this winter is just too fucking cold. I'm build for war weather, not cold. It's the moor in me, i guess (those who know anything about the history of medieval Iberia, or saw EL CID, will understand).

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 9:25 a.m. CST

    ...↑ but not quite "the blast" he was hoping for.

    by FlickaPoo

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 9:29 a.m. CST

    FlickaPoo, don't you understand?

    by AsimovLives

    AVATAR is helping bringing the whole people of mankind together. Cameron with a movie is doing more then most politicians combined.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 9:33 a.m. CST

    ...Asi, were they set up for 3-D in your neck of the world?...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...I bet I had to travel further in New Jersey to find a decent 3-D theater...

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 9:44 a.m. CST

    ...↑ but he still wrote a glowing review.

    by FlickaPoo

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 9:44 a.m. CST

    Greetings from Spain

    by Asimov_Lives

    Does anyone else finds Greedo's eyes oddly appealing in a sexuall way? Me, too!

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 9:46 a.m. CST

    Subbary®

    by Subtitles_Off

    February 22nd, 2010...<P> @ Node #44023...Mac's "Floaters" concludes with the reunited Pedalback releasing something from their bag o' tricks to "head" off an enormous challenge...Diox would like to collabo on a sci-fi script and begins his "Subject 6." Unfortunately, no one else can join in because none of The Peebers are much knowledgable about "Stargate," but that shouldn't discourage Diox from his creativity...Some Olympic teams play hockey. The excitement! The inspiration! The thrill! OOO ESS AY, OOO ESS AY, signed the communicative ape...☆☆ BEATLES OF THE DAY ☆☆.™ (http://tinyurl.com/yaer3xu) George was the first to quit The Beatles. He returned, but he had reached the limit of his patience...We BAMF!, but we don't BAMF! far. One Node North...<P> @ Node #44024...Sixies exorcises the thread with a hearty "Bitches leave!" shortly after 10 A.M....The debut episode of Some Guy & Some Other Guy @ The Movies premieres, with The Guys having a spoiler-filled discussion about Martin Scorsese's SHUTTER ISLAND...The Guys agree, it's a well-made but ultimately frustrating movie...Parts of it improve with a second view, and other parts do not...The Common Rabble at Some Other Guy's screening started laughing at the movie-ish silliness, after awhile...Stabby and Sixies liked it better than either of The Guys...Some Other Guy compares the movie to one of the interactive adventure books for children. You know the ones: "If you'd like to save the princess and slay the dragon, turn to page 14. If you'd like to just stuff the gold in your pocket and mumble 'Fuck it, let Miss Screamy Bodice save herself," turn to page 24"...Some Guy liked the iota of graceful ambiguity at the very end of the wretched ending and wishes there was more of that in the movie...Stabby should've written the screenplay because Stabby has a much better ending in mind...On a 5-star rating system, Some Guy rates it ★★★ ½. Col. thinks it's masterful and rates it ★★★★ ½..."The Law of 4" is, really, "The Law of 2+2," which makes it a confusing Law...Some Other Guy rates it ★★★. Mac gives it ★★★★, but he's gonna knock it down half-a-star later. Sixies gives it ★★★★, and he's gonna stick to it. Stabby, who seems to favor it nearly as much as Col., rates it ★★★ ½ because he's a strict grader...THE NINTH CONFIGURATION is a similarly plotted film as is SHOCK CORRIDOR, according to some...Flick compares it to MAGUS, a novel by John Fowles...Box Office Futures Trading Exchange will allow capitalists to wager on films' earnings...THE WIND THAT SHAKES THE BARLEY is so heartbreaking it's affected Stabby's enjoyment of a pint o' Black & Tan...Walmart now owns an online movie service. Streaming all those Cable Guy and Tyler Perry movies since 2010...Col. gets deep into SHUTTER ISLAND's Jungian psychology...Future Some Guy & Some Other Guy installments will feature other Peebers as The Guys...DrMorbius might take shelter...Teddy's gonna wear his Scorsese tee-shirt when he sees SHUTTER ISLAND...Cheeses begins "The Pedalback: The Next Generation" (http://tinyurl.com/y8p8xnk) ...Teddy liked THE WOLFMAN...'moose recycles a song about recycling that is so old, it was made when Charlie Daniels was well-known (FunnyOrDie.com/m/3l7d), and shares an animation based on actual posts taken off the web (http://tinyurl.com/yj3gx3b) ...Sarah Palin may have two prop babies - the real one and a more photogenic spare (http://tinyurl.com/twotrigs) ...'Lop basically agrees with The Guys and gives SHUTTER ISLAND ★★★ ½, but his stars are fist-shaped and property of AIBN (http://tinyurl.com/y9s2ops) ...I didn't like THE NIGHT OF THE HUNTER, and I'll tell you why...6:51:18. Or, the terrorists win...Batman villains who make cameos in SHUTTER ISLAND include, Penguin, Poison Ivy, Scarecrow, Hugo Strange, Two-Face, Zsasz and Mr. Freeze...Vades does AICN's work for them, announcing the casting of Mark Strong as "Sinestro" in the GREEN LANTERN movie, as well as Ian McShane's casting, as "Blackbeard," in PIRATES OF THE CARIBBE4N...UNBREAKABLE 2?...A copy of Action Comic #1 sells for a million bucks, doubling the record payment made for a comic book just days ago for a copy of Detective #27...'Lop says VIDEODROME is "the best film...about the dangerous subjectivity of our own identity and perceptions"...Dick Cheney's heart is once again trying to reject the rest of his body...

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 9:53 a.m. CST

    I meant warm, dammit!

    by AsimovLives

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 9:56 a.m. CST

    here here!

    by Six Demon Bag

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 9:56 a.m. CST

    FlickaPoo

    by AsimovLives

    I didn't need to travel futher then 2 kilometers to find AVATAR projected in 3-D. I didn't even left the county (yes, i mean county, not country, i know the difference between the two). Believe it or not, but most of Europe is quite a very urban place.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 10:01 a.m. CST

    Asimov_Lives is as much from Spain..

    by AsimovLives

    ... as i'm from China.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 10:16 a.m. CST

    I would say NINTH CONFIGURATION

    by Continentalop

    Is SHOCK CORRIDOR meets SPELLBOUND.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 10:18 a.m. CST

    I would say

    by Subtitles_Off

    I haven't seen any of those, so I'm out of the loop.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 10:19 a.m. CST

    Morning gentlemen

    by Continentalop

    And Waitress if she's around.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 10:20 a.m. CST

    Lorne Michaels is age-ist.

    by Subtitles_Off

    He doesn't think Betty White can host "SNL" by herself, so he's going to prop her up with Tina Fey.<P>

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 10:23 a.m. CST

    EffDub is MIA.

    by Subtitles_Off

    Something shiny may have distracted her in another thread.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 10:28 a.m. CST

    subs

    by Six Demon Bag

    yeah i heard about the SNL thingy..<P>to make matters worse--justin beiber is host/musical guest..da fuckers 15!

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 10:30 a.m. CST

    Yeah, I'll be watching that.

    by Subtitles_Off

    Not.<P>That kid's been in the public eye since, when, December? And already they're gonna be poking him with lame sexual innuendo on "SNL?"

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 10:31 a.m. CST

    Lorne Michaels is like your grandpa,

    by Subtitles_Off

    if your grandpa were an embarrassing hipster trying to be cool when your friends were in the house.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 10:32 a.m. CST

    LAST TEMPTATION OF CHRIST was a bit of...

    by AsimovLives

    ... a mental head-fuck of a movie. And for the evangelical thigh-ass fundamentalist motherfuckers, it was a complete ass-fuck. As it should.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 10:34 a.m. CST

    dammit, i though this was the SHUTTER ISLAND thread

    by AsimovLives

    My bad.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 10:36 a.m. CST

    the point still stands, of course

    by AsimovLives

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 10:37 a.m. CST

    It was, yesterday, Asi.

    by Subtitles_Off

    But, spoiler-filled.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 10:51 a.m. CST

    Hello again, gents.

    by ColonelFatheart

    Conti, do you like THE NINTH CONFIGURATION? I love it until the very, very end. The showdown in the bar gives me chills.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 10:55 a.m. CST

    Morning, Col.

    by Subtitles_Off

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 10:55 a.m. CST

    Haha, Scott Brown, Savior of the Wingnuts,

    by ColonelFatheart

    helps break a GOP filibuster on a $15 billion Democratic jobs bill. Wingnuts turn on him. LOLZ. http://tinyurl.com/ye89muy

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 11 a.m. CST

    Just because Spain is superior to Portugal

    by Asimov_Lives

    in every way does not give you rights to disporridge my home county. And, yes I mean country.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 11:02 a.m. CST

    Underscore, drop it. Now, please.

    by Subtitles_Off

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 11:05 a.m. CST

    Colon-El (I never get tired of that)

    by Continentalop

    I like THE NINTH CONFIGURATION a lot. Yes, it is a flawed movie, but any movie that calls God "Foot" gets a lot of points with me. <p> And SPOILERS the climax in the bar is just awesome. It feels like an eternity of Stacy Keach just humiliating himself, until finally he reaches up and grabs that bikers hand (Drago wasn't it) and you see the look in Keach's eyes and you know he has reverted back into Killer Kane. And he's going to shoe these men of violence was true violence is. <p> I might have to watch that again.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 11:06 a.m. CST

    Asimov_Lives, Portuguese cuisine and wines are better...

    by AsimovLives

    ... and that's what really matters on a daily basis.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 11:06 a.m. CST

    And beer too.

    by AsimovLives

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 11:09 a.m. CST

    ColonelFatheart

    by AsimovLives

    Gents is what people in UK call the public bathrooms. They also call the toilets as "bogs".

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 11:09 a.m. CST

    "Shoe"?

    by Continentalop

    I meant Show. I hate working. It is very distracting.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 11:09 a.m. CST

    I can't say I've ever tasted a Portuguese dish.

    by Subtitles_Off

    Then again, I can't say I've ever eaten authentic Spanish food, either.<P>Everything I think of as Spanish-influenced is probably Tex-Mex.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 11:12 a.m. CST

    i had some spanish dishes at EPCOT...

    by Six Demon Bag

    they were tasty AND authentic...my waiter dressed as Goofy told me so...

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 11:12 a.m. CST

    I knew you were just imitating Ed Sullivan.

    by Subtitles_Off

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 11:14 a.m. CST

    Sixies, nothing at Epcot is authentic.

    by Subtitles_Off

    It's all imitation-authentic. says so right on the label. <P>Even the animals on the safari aren't "wild" at Disney World.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 11:16 a.m. CST

    Spain>Portugal>France

    by Asimov_Lives

    Come on, Asimov, you half to agree with me at least on the France part?!

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 11:17 a.m. CST

    Conti, yeah, I'm going to have to rewatch, too.

    by ColonelFatheart

    Again, I'm getting chills thinking about it.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 11:18 a.m. CST

    Notice, there is no little Isreal at EpCot Center

    by Asimov_Lives

    But there is a holocaust denial museum.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 11:19 a.m. CST

    I hate stupid people

    by D.Vader

    Scott Brown gets elected, says he'll try to bring about a new air of bipartisanship in Washington, something all the *intelligent* folks want, bc we know that's how things will get done, when we work together to solve problems instead of demonizing the other side. <p> So he does what he said he'd do- voted on what he thought was right, didn't shun the other side's ideas simply bc they were "the other side", and what happens? <p> His dumb fuck followers turn on him. The most telling and most hilarious comment on his Facebook page, I thought, was this one: "I thought you were going to LEAD, not follow!!!" <p> Not follow who? Republicans? Blind adherence to his party? Doesn't that qualify as "following" you stupid nutjob? Doesn't bucking the trend amongst your peers qualify as leading? Morons.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 11:19 a.m. CST

    US of GOD DAMNED A!!!!>Spain>Portugal>France

    by Six Demon Bag

    USA!! USA!!! USA!!! USA!!!

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 11:19 a.m. CST

    There is no holocaust denial at Epcot.

    by Subtitles_Off

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 11:20 a.m. CST

    little Israel Is Real???

    by Six Demon Bag

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 11:21 a.m. CST

    I knew Scott Brown was going to end up being a thorn,

    by Subtitles_Off

    uh, sorta. He's from Massachusetts after all.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 11:21 a.m. CST

    if you ride ITS A SMALL WORLD

    by Six Demon Bag

    backwards they say the holocaust never occurred.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 11:21 a.m. CST

    Shutter Island

    by Series7

    Sort of Spoilers. <P> I think the end would have been better if he just flipped out and killed Kingsley when he tried to tell him what was wrong with him. Maybe after killing Kingsley would he realize that he was the fucked up one. Like Raffalo doesn't try to be his buddy anymore and is just pissed at him.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 11:22 a.m. CST

    Rodizio!

    by ColonelFatheart

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 11:23 a.m. CST

    Someone mentioned Passion of the Christ

    by Series7

    Anyone seen Hunger?

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 11:24 a.m. CST

    Asi, I live in an area rich with Portuguese

    by ColonelFatheart

    and Brazilian heritage.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 11:24 a.m. CST

    Colon-El

    by Continentalop

    Have you ever seen VICE SQUAD?

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 11:24 a.m. CST

    I would have been a small world

    by Asimov_Lives

    if Hitler and Disney had gotten their way.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 11:25 a.m. CST

    hilarious comment on his Facebook page

    by Series7

    You know maybe as an 18 year old i would have thought Politicains doing shit with facebook would have been cool. Now I'm like....fucking grow the fuck up.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 11:25 a.m. CST

    so brown turned from the dark side?

    by Six Demon Bag

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 11:26 a.m. CST

    Vader, the teabaggers, the wingnuts

    by ColonelFatheart

    are basically all stupid people. Or just really smart people who are evil, devious and/or nihilistic. Dick Cheney, for instance. I love the one guy/gal complaining about Brown because he voted for a bill that would build highways (Improving our infrastructure?!? How Socialist!) while giving people jobs (Money in the pocket of middle-class consumers?!? How is that supposed to help the economy?) doing that work.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 11:28 a.m. CST

    6DB

    by Continentalop

    You are bringing a smile to my face this morning.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 11:28 a.m. CST

    I have not seen VICE SQUAD, Conti.

    by ColonelFatheart

    What's it about, other than the obvious?

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 11:28 a.m. CST

    ...HA! Re: Epcot...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...I went to school in Florida and mostly worked at restaurants during the school year. One of my favorite overheard conversations involved this well dressed group of Shiny Happy People earnestly discussing their recent trip to Disney World...<P>A woman in the group went on and on about how "marvelous" it all was, and repeated several times that Epcot was "exactly like traveling all around the world...but without the risk!".<P>Every repetition of the phrase was met with much agreement and sage nodding.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 11:30 a.m. CST

    ..."Anyone seen Hunger?"...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...no, but I've seen RAVENOUS.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 11:31 a.m. CST

    The Age of Consent in Vatican City

    by ColonelFatheart

    http://tinyurl.com/yesgbfx

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 11:32 a.m. CST

    FlickaPoo

    by Series7

    Yeah I think they are pretty much the same movie.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 11:32 a.m. CST

    Flicka, it's better

    by Asimov_Lives

    No, swarthy unwashed barbarians. Disney's vision of the world is better than reality. i know. I live in Europa.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 11:33 a.m. CST

    dont get me wrong guys...

    by Six Demon Bag

    i love disney world and EPCOT...its a joyous little place to visit and hang out for a while..it makes me feel young again...<P>i went when 3 times when i was young...and i spent my honeymoon there...i would have to say the best week of my life.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 11:33 a.m. CST

    Man right now I'd rather go see

    by Series7

    The rest of the world then deal with a giant mass of Americans.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 11:34 a.m. CST

    Flick, yeah ...

    by ColonelFatheart

    That's exactly what Uncle Walt was going for, I believe. Appealing to Middle America by offering them an alternative to the swarthy hordes.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 11:34 a.m. CST

    The only good thing about Europe

    by Asimov_Lives

    was the 80s hairband Europe and even that sucked it!

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 11:36 a.m. CST

    That's what I'm saying, Colonel

    by D.Vader

    They've been poisoned with so many lies and half-truths, they don't know what real politics are, they don't know what the role of the government really is, they don't know that the things they think they are protesting against are things that actually help them and support them, things that always *have* helped them, and no one complains. <p> Stupid teabaggers. As much as they talk about change, they really just want everyone to vote straight Republican. <p> I guess we should ALWAYS vote against highway projects bc they're not "permanent jobs" and what the hell good is a highway anyway?

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 11:36 a.m. CST

    ...I was consenting at twelve...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...I just couldn't find any breasts to consent with me.<P>Eventually I figured out how to consent myself...with a little help from the ever consenting woman's underwear section of the Sears Catalog.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 11:36 a.m. CST

    Disney World does have its charms, though.

    by ColonelFatheart

    I look forward to taking my kid/kids (when I have them). Future Mrs. Colon-El, though, keeps trying to be sneaky and works it in as a possible honeymoon destination. Fuck that, I'm either going to Europe or a fucking island with blue water and unlimited fruity cocktails.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 11:37 a.m. CST

    EpCot is awesome....

    by D.Vader

    If you go to Morocco land and go back behind the tall, winding buildings into the back alley, so that the buildings block out the rest of the sights and sounds of the park... you can imagine that you really are in Morocco. And if you're over 21 you can eat in their awesome restaurant and get drunk. Good times!

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 11:40 a.m. CST

    Does anyone take the teabaggers seriously?

    by Series7

    Like how is anyone suppose to give a shit what you say. Someone tell those old fuckers what teabagging is for fucks sake. I don't want my children exposed to teabagging, hey Daily Show...do the bit.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 11:42 a.m. CST

    Colon-El, RE: VICE SQUAD

    by Continentalop

    It is the epitome of a sub-genre of crime films that I call "Sleaze Thrillers" that came out in the 80s inspired by TAXI DRIVER and HARDCORE. THE EXTERMINATOR, ANGEL and TEN TO MIDNIGHT are all other examples of the genre. Unlike those films, however, VICE SQUAD is great. <p> I don't know why but suddenly thought "Man, the Colonel has got to see VICE SQUAD."

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 11:42 a.m. CST

    For anyone who refuses to believe there is a strain

    by ColonelFatheart

    of fascistic puritanism running through the modern wingnut movement that gets so much reverential treatment by our "liberal" media, just look at this: http://tinyurl.com/yjkymf7

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 11:46 a.m. CST

    ...the best DAILY SHOW quote about teabagging...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...was the one about Republicans having managed to take a sex act involving dipping your testicles into another person's mouth...and turn it into something dirty, and ridiculous.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 11:46 a.m. CST

    "Does anyone take the teabaggers seriously?"

    by ColonelFatheart

    Yes, the NY Times, apparently: http://tinyurl.com/yjjehal <p>"But it is also about the profound private transformation of people like Mrs. Stout, people who not long ago were not especially interested in politics, yet now say they are bracing for tyranny." What? How can the Times ennoble these wackos with such tripe?

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 11:47 a.m. CST

    Sears catalog.

    by Subtitles_Off

    HA! Flick!

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 11:48 a.m. CST

    Unfortunately, LOTS of pple take Teabaggers seriously

    by D.Vader

    The overwhelming majority of dumb pple that think they're smart. The people that think Glenn Beck is really intelligent and want him to run for office.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 11:51 a.m. CST

    Conti, VICE SQUAD sounds right up my alley!

    by ColonelFatheart

    Good instincts, sir.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 11:51 a.m. CST

    How to rile up the stupid pple who used to not care

    by D.Vader

    Tell them the government is stealing your money, wants to take your guns, and is planning a tyrannical, communist style takeover of the country where you'll have no freedoms. <p> Tell them that and they'll believe whatever other bullshit you have to say. Obama wasn't born in the country? His middle name is Huessein? He's obviously a terrorist who wants the US to fall! Because he doesn't care about his children!

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 11:52 a.m. CST

    Global Warming

    by Series7

    God my thing with that is, even if it is just some money scheme in the end....what if they are correct? Was driving a giant truck really worth it? And how is anti green energy people any different sort of money grab then green products? <P> Also speaking of trucks, why are they the most bought car in America? Probably only 30% of truck owners use their truck on a daily basis. Most people only need a truck like once or twice a year.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 11:54 a.m. CST

    I'm increasingly angry at the media and the idea of

    by Subtitles_Off

    polls. As if finding 100 stupid people to voice their malformed opinion on any issue makes for some kind of usable information.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 11:55 a.m. CST

    Same reason they buy SUVs. Size.

    by Subtitles_Off

    That way they'll be alright when they plow into a sedan.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 11:56 a.m. CST

    Exactly, Series.

    by ColonelFatheart

    Even if global warming and climate change are hyped or some grand conspiracy (I believe both are happening, though), how can it be good to continue wasting resources while creating poison that clearly harms people and animals? How can these teabagging nutcases not even embrace fighting pollution out of general HUMANITY?

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 11:58 a.m. CST

    I bet Glenn Beck really votes

    by Series7

    Democratically. Its all about ratings so he's got better material if their is a democrate in the office. I bet really Beck doesn't give a shit one way or another.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 11:58 a.m. CST

    I noticed truck driver in high school

    by D.Vader

    And never understood them. Why the fuck do you want a pickup truck? You live in the suburbs. You don't haul hay or tools or farm equipment. <p> You're just a teenager. Why the hell do you want a stupid pickup truck?

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 11:58 a.m. CST

    Vader, you're forgetting one more thing.

    by ColonelFatheart

    All of those myths about Democrats and liberals have been prevalent for years. What's compelled them to such fervor is that THE PRESIDENT IS BLACK. That, folks, is the elephant in the room.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 11:59 a.m. CST

    And once we run out of these natural resources that give jobs...

    by D.Vader

    ... all the people are going to bitch and complain that the government never did anything to get ready for the next big green energy source. <p> And never mind that green energy development will create jobs.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 11:59 a.m. CST

    The thing that is funny about The Teabag movement

    by Subtitles_Off

    is that Republicans are aligning themselves with it. Like that's not going to bite them in the ass. Sure, FOX News has told the Teabaggers that Obama is to blame for the ills of the nation. Everyone knows it's the efforts of the Neo-cons that got us to where we are today.<P>That stupid woman who is angry in that article because her son has lost his job? She's an idiot if she doesn't realize who's to blame.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 12:02 p.m. CST

    I always make sure to cut off

    by Series7

    Trucks when I need to get over. Fuck them. I'm so low to the ground I can't even see if they flip me the bird.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 12:04 p.m. CST

    Pickup trucks also seemed to be the ones that ran red lights...

    by D.Vader

    The most. If a light turned red, and someone ran it, I guarantee you it was a pickup truck 9 times out of 10. It was ridiculous around here.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 12:05 p.m. CST

    More than the President is black.

    by Subtitles_Off

    The President wants reform. Corporate interests do not want reform because it will curtail their profit margins. The Teabaggers are too stupid to realize their strings are being pulled by the same people who will be advantaged by keeping them down.<P>It's just a rerun of history, over and over, on an endless loop. We hate the rich! We want to be the rich! We hate the rich! We want to be the rich!

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 12:05 p.m. CST

    Agreed, Subs.

    by ColonelFatheart

    This teabag rage will turn into some short-lived gain for the GOP, and they will pick up a bunch of seats in Congress, but it'll blow up in their faces as the teabaggers grow more and more emboldened and the Repugs will be painted into a new corner with a seething gaggle of racists, flat-earthers, know-nothings, militias and suicide-bombing anti-tax terrorists.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 12:06 p.m. CST

    Country music stars all drive trucks. Trucks are manly.

    by Subtitles_Off

    Trucks get it done.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 12:07 p.m. CST

    Ugh I hate politics

    by Series7

    It means having to reason with stupid people.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 12:09 p.m. CST

    Meanwhile, as whitey keeps teabaggin' itself:

    by ColonelFatheart

    http://tinyurl.com/yco6a9n

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 12:09 p.m. CST

    Say the GOP picks up Congressional seats.

    by Subtitles_Off

    That will allow for what, exactly? It will allow them to sit there and try to make The President look stupid. And what will be accomplished? Will The Teabaggers be better off in five years than they are now? I'm sure between now and then we will have identified some other brown nation we can bomb to make ourselves feel good about our shit.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 12:11 p.m. CST

    ...LET THEM EAT CAKE...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...said Kendall Powell, the CEO of General Mills®

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 12:13 p.m. CST

    Spectacular economic growth, and

    by Subtitles_Off

    they still drink polluted water.<P>Oh, yeah, let's emulate China.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 12:13 p.m. CST

    IDIOTS

    by D.Vader

    "In New Mexico, Mary Johnson, recording secretary of the Las Cruces Tea Party steering committee, described why she fears the government. She pointed out how much easier it is since Sept. 11 for the government to tap telephones and scour e-mail, bank accounts and library records. “Twenty years ago that would have been a paranoid statement,” Ms. Johnson said. “It’s not anymore.”" <p> Yes, thank the fucking REPUBLICANS YOU ELECTED INTO OFFICE YOU DUMB SHITS.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 12:14 p.m. CST

    You know I'm going to defend Teabaggers

    by Continentalop

    Not their stances because I think they are wrong, but their rational. This isn't about issues, this is about status and position on the American pecking order. They are no different from the Al Sharpton followers or a lot of anarchist, anti-war activist. Sure their causes are different but their motives. <p> Do you think Sharpton's followers are about justice and racial equality? No, they are about legal preferences for themselves and moving up the pecking order where they are on top. And the anti-war anarchist, if you told him peaceful protest and being respectful to the opposing side would be more effective in stopping a war, do you think he would put down the Molotov coocktail? No, because it isn't about the best way in stopping a war, it's the best way to hate pro war people and show them up. <p> I completely disagree with the teabaggers stance, but I understand why they are acting that way: they are a bunch of scared people who feel like they are sliding down the pecking order and feeling disenfranchised, and it can't be the Americ they invested so much into's fault, it has to be the not true America's fault.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 12:15 p.m. CST

    I think you mis-quoted, Flick, wasn't it

    by Subtitles_Off

    "Let them eat Cake-Os®, a high-fiber multi-vitamin part of your daily balanced breakfast!"

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 12:17 p.m. CST

    Well we all know how this happened...

    by D.Vader

    Once we started shipping jobs overseas to fill the pockets of corporate fatcats, Americans lost jobs. Do the teabaggers remember this? <p> Chinese steel will be in demand? What happened to American steel? Oh yeah, that's right...

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 12:18 p.m. CST

    That's a shoddy defense, 'Lop.

    by Subtitles_Off

    They're stupid, but they can't help it because they're stupid.<P>The real information is available to them. Put down the badly spelled sign, go to the public library - a government program, BTW - and read a merfering book, you dumbass.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 12:20 p.m. CST

    I defend teabagger rationale too...

    by D.Vader

    I feel a kinship with them on a certain level. Unfortunately, they should have been protesting during the Bush years. <p>

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 12:21 p.m. CST

    scour library records.

    by Series7

    OHHH NO!!! NOT MY LIBRARY RECORD! Seriously, who the fuck goes to a library anymore? Especially if you live near a college town you can just walk in and read anything you really need or make copies of shit...if your really that paranoid.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 12:21 p.m. CST

    I'm no fan of the anarchists, Sharpton followers or

    by ColonelFatheart

    many types of anti-war protesters, either. But I still support their right to protest as long as they avoid violence or property destruction. I support the teabaggers' right to protest, too, and I would defend the Illinois Nazis' right to protest if I were a lawyer. (Even though I hate Illinois Nazis.) But it's when a group begins indulging in or celebrating violent behavior that gets me, Conti. The teabaggers openly embrace the idea of "watering the tea of liberty with blood" and they've made a folk hero out of a suicide bombing terrorist just because he targeted the IRS. <p>Furthermore, the Sharpton followers, "anarchists" and Cindy Sheehan's Code Pink protesters are often treated as silly sideshows by the mainstream media. But the teabaggers are a "movement."

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 12:22 p.m. CST

    It's all downhill for awhile from here fellas.

    by Subtitles_Off

    As whites continue to have to accept the influences of non-white immigrants in the U.S., and simultaneously watch the decline of their childrens' standard of living, they will continue to bitch and moan about The Real America. You know, the one that has never, ever existed.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 12:23 p.m. CST

    How can you be so antigovernment and conspiracy prone

    by Stabby

    but yet you do not understand that the Medical Insurance Companies and Big Pharma are funding your movement? Why do they not understand that the primary problem with government is it has been co-opted by corporate power? I don't understand how you can be anti-government, but pro-corporate. At least the government is held accountable to the people. Corporations have only their self-interests at heart. Corporations being treated as citizens with all the rights as such is a huge problem and the founding fathers never intended this.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 12:23 p.m. CST

    ...I live at the library.

    by FlickaPoo

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 12:24 p.m. CST

    Subs, how many people on your side of the issue

    by Continentalop

    Actually know the facts or are just there because it just happens to be their tribe? Just because some people are on the right side of an issue doesn't make them smart, it's because that is where they landed.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 12:25 p.m. CST

    Teabaggers are a bowel movement.

    by Subtitles_Off

    Seriously. You've seen photos of these people, right? Right?<P>These are not individuals who should have any influence on the progress of the nation. They chose to give up on progress when they chose to stop brushing their teeth.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 12:26 p.m. CST

    You better look out FlickaPoo

    by Series7

    I just made a call to the hot line, consider your library records....SCOURED!

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 12:26 p.m. CST

    Thiis is kinda scary....

    by D.Vader

    "At Liberty Lake, the participants settled on a “big tent” strategy, with each group supporting the others in the coalition they called Friends for Liberty. <p> One local group represented at Liberty Lake was Arm in Arm, which aims to organize neighborhoods for possible civil strife by stockpiling food and survival gear, and forming armed neighborhood groups. <p> Also represented was Oath Keepers, whose members call themselves “guardians of the Republic.” Oath Keepers recruits military and law enforcement officials who are asked to disobey orders the group deems unconstitutional. These include orders to conduct warrantless searches, arrest Americans as unlawful enemy combatants or force civilians into “any form of detention camps.”"<p> You know they'd have no problem with this if it was a Muslim.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 12:26 p.m. CST

    Just look at the coverage of CPAC over the weekend.

    by ColonelFatheart

    It was a sideshow, a freak show, even. You got Stephen Baldwin up on stage calling Obama "homey." Glenn Beck, a TV host with a cartoon persona, on stage leading the "movement." Dick Cheney greeted as if he were Abraham Lincoln, all because he decided that the presidency should be a ruthless monarchy, even though the teabaggers purport to support "democracy" and "freedom." And yet the media treated it as some kind of prestigious event somehow above analysis.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 12:29 p.m. CST

    ...well, my record consists mostly of...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...picture books, history books, novels, and literary lesbian erotica.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 12:29 p.m. CST

    There's a reason the Founding Fathers came up with this system..

    by D.Vader

    The Fouding Fathers, whom the Tea Party followers claim to hold near and dear to their heart, there's a reason they came up with this system of democratically electing officials... <p> Its because they know the "people" are too stupid and too uneducated to be allowed to vote for everything. That's why we elect smarter people to do the right thing. <p> If we didn't, then I seriously doubt slavery and civil rights would have come to pass when they did. <p>I'm sure the Tea Baggers don't think about that, though.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 12:30 p.m. CST

    Flick, who knew your wife was such a fan

    by ColonelFatheart

    of history books?

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 12:31 p.m. CST

    Having accurate information isn't about "where you landed."

    by Subtitles_Off

    It's about educating yourself.<P>People who are entrenched in a point-of-view based on inaccurate information are not engaged in some sort of honorable exchange for the public good.<P>You're jealous of smart people? Try becoming one.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 12:31 p.m. CST

    I don't see how any self-respecting Tea Bagger...

    by D.Vader

    Can support Dick Cheney. You're a fucking idiot and a hypocrite to boot if you do.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 12:31 p.m. CST

    China: No regulations, except on human behavior.

    by ColonelFatheart

    Yep, that sounds like Dick Cheney's wet dream.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 12:33 p.m. CST

    ...I know, who'da thunk it?

    by FlickaPoo

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 12:33 p.m. CST

    The Founding Fathers were unashamed Elitists.

    by Subtitles_Off

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 12:33 p.m. CST

    Series7, I did see Hunger last night

    by Stabby

    And I liked it on an aesthetic level. It is artistically shot and edited, but there is very little story to it. For half the movie there is almost no dialog and then boom there is a 30 minute conversation between the IRA leader and an Irish Priest, who is also an activist. This scene is largely a single long shot of the two actors and the acting is superb. Then the film returns to it's nearly exclusively visual storytelling after a seemingly endless long take of a guard sweeping urine down a corridor which acts as a transition. The movie is more about the experience of the imprisoned IRA members than it is about politics or anything else for that matter including plot. Steve McQueen definitely has a great cinematic eye and would probably make an oscar calibre DP if not a great director. Either way i look forward to his next film, but I cannot universally recommend Hunger due to it's bleak, cinema verite, minimalist style of storytelling.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 12:35 p.m. CST

    Teabaggers don't know what they're "for."

    by Subtitles_Off

    They just know what they're "against." They don't understand it, but they KNOW it.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 12:35 p.m. CST

    Colon-El

    by Continentalop

    The Anti-War movement in the 60s led to the SLA, Black Panther party led to fringe movements that were violent. The left in the late 60s and 70s truly thought you needed a violent revolution. <p> I'm not defending the Teabaggers stance, or even their actions, but that it is a natural reaction for people who feel they are slipping down the pecking order and wanting to maintain there preferential treatment. <p> They are like the Al Sharpton supporters chanting "No justice, no peace." What they meant was "No justice for US as we see it, no peace for YOU."

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 12:36 p.m. CST

    Oh well, looks like Series left

    by Stabby

    He did say he hated political discussions. He'll probably like at least 2/3s of Hunger.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 12:37 p.m. CST

    i dont understand how anyone who makes less than $50K

    by Six Demon Bag

    can be a republican..

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 12:37 p.m. CST

    Dick Cheney is resting comfortably.

    by Subtitles_Off

    The mechanic said he just needed his oil checked.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 12:39 p.m. CST

    Oh God, if the TeaBagger support Sarah Palin...

    by D.Vader

    They're idiots. All she has to do is a little song and dance for them, and they'll elect her, not realizing she's playing them like a 2-bit fiddle.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 12:39 p.m. CST

    Stabby hahaha no I'm here

    by Series7

    Just trying to do work and keep up. I agree with what you say about the movie totally. I think I liked it better then you though. I mean he wanted to put you there in the prison. I am really looking forward to his next work, that was a strong first film. I reviewed it over here if you care: <P> http://tinyurl.com/ydy3fvl <P> I mainly can't believe how more people haven't seen it or are talking about it.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 12:41 p.m. CST

    'Lop, the Anti-War movement didn't lead to

    by Subtitles_Off

    the SLA and The Black Panthers. Those were fringe groups of radicals. In fact, "the Anti-War movement" wasn't an organized movement at all. It was a natural reaction to television coverage of the war, propped up by an increase in the number of young people going to college and accentuated with groovy music.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 12:41 p.m. CST

    Subs do you think everyone who voted for Obama is smart?

    by Continentalop

    Our do you think there are some dumb people who voted for Obama as well? And because they are dumb they should have no say on what worries them and scares them, even if the can't articulate it?

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 12:42 p.m. CST

    'Lop, Sharpton is universally regarded as a joke

    by Stabby

    even among the large majority of African Americans. Not really sure... No it is an apt analogy. my bad.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 12:42 p.m. CST

    bill maher made a point last week

    by Six Demon Bag

    the teabaggers are protesting the tax hikes they are getting...<P>less than 2% realize that taxes actually went DOWN..<P>if you're gonna protest, try to know what youre talking about...<P>otherwise your are uninformed puppets that will be herded around whenever the GOP of FOX need a picture of the "masses"

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 12:43 p.m. CST

    donita sparks said it best

    by Six Demon Bag

    the masses are asses.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 12:43 p.m. CST

    Good point Subby

    by D.Vader

    "They just know what they're "against." They don't understand it, but they KNOW it."

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 12:46 p.m. CST

    Series, I will say this

    by Stabby

    for such a minimalist movie with no plot that hour and a half flew by. I think it was due to the brilliant visual style. And when that scene with the priest came I was riveted to the edge of my seat. Luckily I've been to Ireland so i could understand most of which was said through the thick brogues. I'd give it *** out of 5 stars. Definitely worth watching for every PedalBacker.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 12:47 p.m. CST

    Fine subs

    by Continentalop

    The rightwing movement led to the organized Teabagger movement, which led to violent groups, just like the Civil rights movement led to the Black Panthers which led to violent groups.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 12:48 p.m. CST

    conti..

    by Six Demon Bag

    people vote for strange reasons..i voted for him cause he was black...but im white...<P>it doesnt make sense..<P>but ask these clowns out there what they are doing and why they are doing...i promise you a blank stare will be your answer.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 12:50 p.m. CST

    'Lop, since I believe the majority of Americans

    by Subtitles_Off

    are dumb, I'll say many of the people who voted for Obama were dumb. Many others were justing voting against his opponent. And many believe in Obama's abilities.<P>You know who I think are the dumbest? The ones who voted for Obama and now would vote against him because they blame him for lack of progress instead of those that should be blamed: Corporate interests, media, Congress and their own impatience.<P>Look, it's very honorable to defend the rights of the uninformed to remain uninformed. It's nice not to condemn the feelings of others. But, personally, I don't want emotional influence on the progress of the nation I live in. I want an informed populace to demand progressive government.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 12:52 p.m. CST

    ...Tea Party movement = ...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...people my parent's age figured out how to use fucking Facebook.<P>End of story.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 12:53 p.m. CST

    Teabaggers are not a representative movement.

    by Subtitles_Off

    They're a show put on by FOX. There were only 10,000 people at CPAC. There are more at a poorly attended Monster Truck rally.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 12:54 p.m. CST

    Couldn't have said it better myself, Subs.

    by ColonelFatheart

    Learning is hard, inconvenient and sometimes scary. That's too much for a lot of people, liberal or conservative. And so, because of this aversion to learning, we're rewriting textbooks to play up Christianity, cast doubt on provable science and recast history as we see fit. It's true that history is written by the winners; ours is being written by morons and dishonest, sleazy, Orwellian hacks.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 12:55 p.m. CST

    Hahahahahaha.

    by D.Vader

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 12:56 p.m. CST

    Hunger

    by Series7

    Yeah Stabby. This film will get more and more play and viewing in coming years.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 12:56 p.m. CST

    ...Tea Party movement = ...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...Baby Boomers just figured out they're going to die some day. <P>The new knowledge makes them feel anxious...and they have to blame somebody.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 12:56 p.m. CST

    My parents are older than yours, Flick.

    by Subtitles_Off

    They are both flabbergasted by Teabaggers. Can't believe this is where we have ended up in our progress as a nation. My mom is a life-long Republican who is "sickened" by The Right Wing. And my dad is a life-long Democrat.<P>And, about FOX news, they are in complete, unshakable agreement.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 1 p.m. CST

    Tea party movement =

    by Subtitles_Off

    all those C- students who, inspired by the last President, think it's time for them to be running things. It's Revenge of The Slow Class.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 1:01 p.m. CST

    But, what did we all think about SHUTTER ISLAND?

    by Subtitles_Off

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 1:01 p.m. CST

    ...mine too Subs, but you should see the chain email...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...etc...they get from friends and colleagues. Educated religious people. People I've met. People I would have called nice people. <P>Fucking appalling.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 1:02 p.m. CST

    i meant to say of my dad, he is a life-long

    by Subtitles_Off

    Democrat *who always distrusted hippies.*

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 1:04 p.m. CST

    HA!

    by Subtitles_Off

    My parents confessed to me that they pared down their Christmas Card List this past holiday due to all the "nutty" e-mails they were getting from some people.<P>HA!

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 1:04 p.m. CST

    I still haven't seen Shutter Island

    by D.Vader

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 1:04 p.m. CST

    "Revenge of the Slow Class"

    by ColonelFatheart

    Way to make me crack up at work, Subs! You're dead on again. Who were the leaders in the Slow Class? Those farting, obnoxious, loudmouth football players whose job was just to hit people on special teams.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 1:04 p.m. CST

    ...I'm telling you, the internet hit my parent's generation...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...like smallpox hit Native Americans. They have no natural defenses, no immunity...they believe everything they read.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 1:04 p.m. CST

    the wrong person sees that email, Flicka...

    by D.Vader

    It becomes "Fucking appealing!"

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 1:05 p.m. CST

    .. figured out how to use fucking Facebook.

    by MacReady452

    but didn't bother to google teabagging. doesn't that sum up the whole group right there. idiots. hey everybody. no movies today huh?

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 1:06 p.m. CST

    ...good for your parents, Subs...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...model citizens.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 1:06 p.m. CST

    Please don't misunderstand me, 'Lop.

    by Subtitles_Off

    I do NOT think smart people are BETTER than under-educated people.<P>They are, however, better than people who choose to remain dumb.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 1:07 p.m. CST

    by D.Vader

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 1:07 p.m. CST

    Footage from Valhalla Rising

    by D.Vader

    Fucking BADASS. <p>http://tinyurl.com/yddtsgh

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 1:08 p.m. CST

    ...Teabagging...it's fucking appealing!®

    by FlickaPoo

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 1:08 p.m. CST

    Oh yeah, movies.

    by ColonelFatheart

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 1:09 p.m. CST

    ...can't wait for VALHALLA RISING.

    by FlickaPoo

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 1:10 p.m. CST

    Valhalla Rising does look bad ass

    by MacReady452

    Who saw Crazy Heart? I was looking at show times and realized there was nothing else I haven't/wanted to see. I think moose said it was great. He's not here though.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 1:10 p.m. CST

    ...morning Mac.

    by FlickaPoo

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 1:12 p.m. CST

    Um, I'll be skipping THAT one.

    by Subtitles_Off

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 1:14 p.m. CST

    'moose liked it. I liked it.

    by Subtitles_Off

    CRAZY HEART, that is. It's a character study, though. Don't be expecting anything more than that.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 1:14 p.m. CST

    Sorry to derail the political talk with my movie clip

    by D.Vader

    I just saw it and liked it and wanted to share. All this political talk distracted me! I was supposed to be at the gym 2 hours ago!

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 1:14 p.m. CST

    I hope the toilet seat was nice and toasty

    by MacReady452

    I fell asleep on the bowl last night.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 1:16 p.m. CST

    We thank you, Vades.

    by Subtitles_Off

    Typing about politics for more than an hour at a time is like taking a spin in a gerbil wheel anyway.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 1:17 p.m. CST

    VALHALLA RISING

    by ColonelFatheart

    Yes, please.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 1:19 p.m. CST

    ...the seat WAS nice and toasy Mac, but the inside...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...of the bowl looked as though it had been shot with a sawed-off ass-cannon.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 1:20 p.m. CST

    I can deal with character study.

    by MacReady452

    especially Bridges. I can't say the same about Maggie Gyl though. She annoys me. How about her Subs? good? Do you just wanna smash a guitar over her head through half the the movie?

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 1:22 p.m. CST

    sawed-off ass-cannon

    by MacReady452

    i'll be stealing that one for use in the "real world".

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 1:22 p.m. CST

    ...☆☆ RANDOM LANDIS QUOTE OF THE DAY ☆☆.™

    by Six Demon Bag

    The new Oldsmobiles are in early this year!

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 1:24 p.m. CST

    ...I would be honored.

    by FlickaPoo

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 1:25 p.m. CST

    I thought Maggie was alright in this.

    by Subtitles_Off

    Best I've ever seen her. Depends, I guess, on what annoys you about her. I mean, she is what she is.<P>The thing I liked about it is it doesn't unnecessarily dramatize alcoholism. The crisis isn't an overblown fate of the world, and the struggle to overcome it isn't depicted with the same cliched scenes of the drunk sweating in bed imagining giant spiders. It's a well-acted mid-life crisis picture, like THE WRESTLER, without all the ugliness that THE WRESTLER stylized to make it look all hero-y.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 1:27 p.m. CST

    ...SECRETARY was the best I've seen her.

    by FlickaPoo

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 1:28 p.m. CST

    Unfortunately,

    by Subtitles_Off

    I've used my own sawed-off ass-cannon in the real world, countless times.<P>Need more fiber!

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 1:28 p.m. CST

    Ok, how is this for an analogy: Obama or Asi.

    by Continentalop

    I go by the Obama philosophy, "respect those who disagree with you." Asi goes by the "disrespect those you disagree with you." Which tactic works better? <p> I mean what do you get out of insulting and demonizing them? You know you are right, so you can afford to be strong be respectful of them and then maybe then try to reason with them. But if you call them idiots and nuts, who's going to listen. They are going to close themselves off, even if you have a good point. <p> Plus if you disparage them and question their intelligence they'll get more defensive and stuck on their point. Or get defensive. Saying that the Founding Fathers were a bunch of elitist, true or not, doesn't win points - it just goes to confirm that they have no future in your version of America. You might as well mention the Founding Fathers were white and male to get blacks and women nervous about their place. <p> And if you refuse to listen to them, you might not notice that they have a point or a reason for their stance. Asi would say you are a moron and have bad taste, but maybe if he listened he could understand why you like STINO or maybe find out why you are mistaken about it and change your mind if he is respectful of your intelligence. <p> But if you are respectful and accepting you can change people's minds. A fist fist hitting ice is going to hurt, and the ice has only managed to hurt the fist not transfer part of itself to the hand. But a fist hitting water is going to be enveloped by the water and surround it, and even when pulled out the hand will be wet. <p> Asi has good points about movies, but his disrespectful manner and insults doesn't change Antibes opinion. The discussions never become about the movies but about each others intelligence. And if your goal is to really get Hollywood and people to want smarter movies, is your tactic of insulting people's intelligence and saying they don't have valid points working? Or is it making people more adamant in their position. <p> The entire point of debate and discussion is to convince the other side you are right. You can't do that if they feel that you don't respect them. <p> Abe Lincoln once gave a speech where he said we have to reach across and become friends with the South. An old woman said the South were a bunch of traitors and enemies who must be destroyed. "Why Madame," Lincoln replied, "do I not destroy my enemy when I make him my friend."

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 1:29 p.m. CST

    sounds good Subs

    by MacReady452

    let me ask you this...would it be inappropriate for me to sneak a flask into the theater and get sloshed while watching it?

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 1:29 p.m. CST

    ...I liked her fine until she started popping up in...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...New York Magazine all the time talking about her coolio Brooklyn lifestyle.<P>I suppose it's my fault for flipping through New York Magazine.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 1:30 p.m. CST

    See, SECRETARY annoyed me.

    by Subtitles_Off

    In this, she's just playing a natural single mother. It's a more convincing fit for her than "sex kitten."

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 1:35 p.m. CST

    Nah. 'Lop, nothing about the demeanor of

    by Subtitles_Off

    your average Teabagger merits respect.<P>Frankly, I don't care if they crawl away. They've had their thirty years helming the ship, and they crashed us into an iceberg.<P>I was serious when I voted for change. I'm not going to be happy seeing change derailed by a group that refuses to do any serious homework. It's like holding the start of the game because the fan-bus is still loading back at the Away School.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 1:37 p.m. CST

    ...I've had plenty of fun disagreements with Asi...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...sure, he has a couple crazy danger zones, but they're well marked with police tape.<P>I know the areas of Portugal to avoid...and I think the rest of the country is well worth it.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 1:37 p.m. CST

    I feel like Contis statement was like a

    by MacReady452

    Sergio Leone movie. It mixed European and American themes with hints of wisdom from the Orient.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 1:37 p.m. CST

    Don't be disingenuous, either.

    by Subtitles_Off

    You're expecting me to embrace the Teabaggers in case they might have a point hidden away in their pea-brains?<P>When they start respecting The President - one of the things they've repeatedly asked of me in the past - maybe I'll revisit this whole "respect" thing.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 1:38 p.m. CST

    Flicka

    by TedKordLives

    What's wrong with New York Magazine? Last week they had a great article on the various Oscar campaigns.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 1:40 p.m. CST

    Politics:

    by TedKordLives

    America's fucked, and we all know it.<P> There you go, done in one.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 1:41 p.m. CST

    ...SECRETARY is an outstanding date night movie...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...yeah, we're reduced to date night, but our date night is probably freakier than your hookup...<P>Unless you're Conti. <P> I've heard stories.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 1:42 p.m. CST

    "Liberals" have been demonized by slobbering

    by Subtitles_Off

    bobble-heads for some thirty years now. Why wouldn't they be motivated, even against their better natures, to fight fire with fire?

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 1:42 p.m. CST

    ...Ted, I was just being self deprecating...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...that was a great article, wasn't it? And I like their relatively short and pithy political stuff too.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 1:44 p.m. CST

    Flicka

    by TedKordLives

    Yeah, I've been ignoring that magazine for months, but once I cracked one open I realized there's actually some pretty sharp writing in there.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 1:44 p.m. CST

    You heard me, I just called for 30 years

    by Subtitles_Off

    of calling Conservatives names.<P>Then we'll all be ven.<P>Nonny-nonny-boo-boo, infinity.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 1:45 p.m. CST

    *even"

    by Subtitles_Off

    Ven is a diagram.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 1:45 p.m. CST

    Subs, I just believe it is a sign of strength

    by Continentalop

    To be respectful and open-minded. Only someone truly comfortable and confident in his position can listen to the opposing side without resorting to insults. And that confidence in position is contagious. It sells his idea better than any argument.<p> That is one of the reasons I think the teabag movement has been so small despite the efforts of Fox and the GOP to push it - Obama refuses to react to them and continues to be respectful (but not a pushover as his meeting with Republicans showed). <p> Plus I refuse to hate fellow Americans just because they are scared and acting stupid. All my hate is reserved for Canada.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 1:47 p.m. CST

    Seriously?

    by Subtitles_Off

    re-reading the top of this thread...Danny Elfman's score is the worst thing about THE WOLFMAN? Really?

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 1:50 p.m. CST

    It might be a sign of moral strength. Check that, it IS.

    by Subtitles_Off

    But, the past fifty years of American history disprove open-minded respectfulness as a political strength. There is no reason to do anything with the Tea Party "movement" other than ridicule it out of existence.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 1:51 p.m. CST

    conti

    by Six Demon Bag

    why should i be accepting and open minded of a group that has pictures of our current president with a hitler moustache on placards?<P>i read an article in the alt paper here about a guy making tee shirts with said pic and he really didnt understand the iconography and looked totally stoopid..

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 1:51 p.m. CST

    Flick, you've heard stories?

    by Continentalop

    I was afraid you saw the video. <p> In my defense the room was cold...

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 1:52 p.m. CST

    ...Ted, did you read the recent cover story about...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...John and Elisabeth Edwards?<P>Holy shit.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 1:54 p.m. CST

    No Flicka, I missed that one.

    by TedKordLives

    Or maybe it's yet to arrive here.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 1:54 p.m. CST

    ...Conti, I'm proud to say that I was present for the...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...debut of the fingernail story...way back when.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 1:55 p.m. CST

    Subby

    by TedKordLives

    If Elfman's score ain't the worst thing about The Wolfman, it's damn close. I mean, it's fucking omnipresent. It never goes away. It's as if Elfman was being paid by the note.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 1:57 p.m. CST

    Conti, "Kill 'em with kindess" is a good political

    by ColonelFatheart

    tactic. Obama's doing it with the GOP now. You want us to post our health care reform online for 72 hours of review/discussion? Here you go. By the way, where's yours? You want to debate health care reform on live TV? Let's do it. Oh, you think it's a stunt now ... hmmm. <p>But you're never going to get a kumbaya moment with the fringe, left or right. Obama knows he can't come to an understanding with the teabaggers. They exist to oppose him. That's what they do. Once they begin to reconcile with Obama they cease to be teabaggers.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 1:57 p.m. CST

    Sixies

    by TedKordLives

    Is it as shitty there as it is here?

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 1:58 p.m. CST

    ...it was a few weeks ago Ted, you must have missed it...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...crazy shit. Supposedly, the biggest secret of the Edwards campaign was that Elisabeth is a raging psycho bitch...and Edwards was warned repeatedly about the affair but was too stupid or too blinded by fame to listen.<P>And his aides were plotting a coup...because they couldn't risk having their douche-bag boss become president...

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 1:59 p.m. CST

    In other words, how can you compromise

    by ColonelFatheart

    with something that refuses to compromise?

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 2 p.m. CST

    The score isn't even on my list of the worst things about

    by Subtitles_Off

    THE WOLFMAN.<P>Pacing.<P>Screenplay.<P>Hopkins all-over-the-place character.<P>CGI grizzly.<P>CGI elk.<P>CGI running werewolf, complete with trailing cloud of roof debris.<P>Musical score.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 2:02 p.m. CST

    agreed about the score Teddy

    by MacReady452

    every fucking scene Benicio has some worried look on his face and here they come bringing the theme WAY up. It's like an elbow in your rib letting you know there is emotion here. It really never ended. There was probably a total of like 10 minutes in the movie that didn't have music. But if that is it's biggest problem then it is doing alright....and it did...alright.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 2:02 p.m. CST

    Six Demon

    by Continentalop

    I'm not saying you can't call them out, but my tactic is to change their minds. You want Obama to stay in office and get things done you have to change the voters mind. Insulting them doesn't destroy them but in fact makes people even more stubborn. <p> For example, Hitler guy. What is more likely to get him to see he was wrong? "Hey you stupid, fascist bigot!" or "I'm sure this wasn't your intention but you do realize that some people might find that offensive?" <p> Now Hitler T-shirt Guy (secret identity, mild mannered Fox reporter) is most likely not going to change his mind, but someone around him might witness this and realize "wow. The opposition isn't as bad as everyone says."

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 2:02 p.m. CST

    I guess it *was* on my list, after all.

    by Subtitles_Off

    It's there at the bottom.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 2:02 p.m. CST

    Domo does not exist in this Dojo

    by Stabby

    http://tinyurl.com/yf8wn9t

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 2:04 p.m. CST

    ...I must admit, I'm a little disappointed nobody in...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...the real world appreciated my Dear Penthouse letter in the DOC SAVAGE talkback.<P>Granted, I hadn't had any coffee yet, but I cracked myself up writing it...

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 2:08 p.m. CST

    Oh yeah, the fake bear.

    by TedKordLives

    Forgot about that. But still not as egregious as the CGI wolves in Day After Tomorrow. They had a chance to show real wolves in their cages in the setup, but still opted for CG. Lame.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 2:10 p.m. CST

    Flick

    by Continentalop

    Ixnay on the Inger-fe-ial-na. <p>

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 2:10 p.m. CST

    "The opposition" doesn't have to prove the negative.

    by Subtitles_Off

    Jebus!<P>The Teabag party isn't about anything. It's just rolling along on unsubstantiated nonsense gas. Asking Hitler guy, politely, to change his tee-shirt is a non-solution. He just goes off and makes a Saddam tee-shirt.<P>Man, oh, man.<P>"Look at me! I've got an opinion! Don't bother with the facts! I'm a movement!"<P>"Well, welcome to the discussion. We're so glad you're here. We really want you to be our friend. Together, we make a brighter day, just you and me."

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 2:10 p.m. CST

    Flicka, I wish I had read that.

    by TedKordLives

    Sounds awesome. And a little horrifying.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 2:11 p.m. CST

    Anybody see Dead Snow?

    by Stabby

    it was one of those foreign Twitch films. Netflix has it available for streaming today.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 2:13 p.m. CST

    ...Conti...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...my lips are sealed...nothing gets in or out.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 2:13 p.m. CST

    Netflix is mailing it to me, Stabby.

    by Subtitles_Off

    I'll watch it from disc.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 2:14 p.m. CST

    Seriously, Stabby? That's terrific news!

    by TedKordLives

    I know what I'm watching tonight.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 2:15 p.m. CST

    Colon-El

    by Continentalop

    Exactly. The cease to be teabaggers. Destroy your enemies by making them your friends.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 2:15 p.m. CST

    I've been watching Jim Henson's The Storyteller on Netflix.

    by anonymoose

    It's delightful, to say the least.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 2:17 p.m. CST

    Good work, Flick, on those letters.

    by ColonelFatheart

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 2:17 p.m. CST

    ...yeah, frightening...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...apparently his aides never expected him to do so well in Iowa...when he came in second they were all...oh fuck! What if this asshole wins? We can't live with that!...

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 2:18 p.m. CST

    "I heard you were in Nam...

    by TedKordLives

    Were you in the shit?"<P> "Yeah, I was in the shit."<P> The first lines of dialogue from Rushmore that I heard, and an accurate description of the weather here today.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 2:19 p.m. CST

    That's what I don't get about politics, Flicka

    by TedKordLives

    Why the hell were they working for the guy if they despised him THAT much? <P> The whole thing is so two-faced that is sickens me.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 2:19 p.m. CST

    ...thanks Colon-El. I'm very easily amused...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...before dawn.<P>Or impossible to amuse.<P>One or the other.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 2:19 p.m. CST

    Whoo-hoo! I'm also, finally, getting MOON.

    by Subtitles_Off

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 2:21 p.m. CST

    You're probably getting MOON

    by ColonelFatheart

    because I just sent it back!

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 2:22 p.m. CST

    Subs just for the record

    by Continentalop

    I'm not trying to be confrontational. I'm just taking the obligitory counter viewpoint. If we all 100% agreed on this subject it would be boring. <p> As for T-shirt man: look my Uncle needs to do that to make ends meet, ok.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 2:24 p.m. CST

    But Conti, teabaggers are defined by their

    by ColonelFatheart

    intractability, their aversion to compromise, their "purity." If a teabagger caves or compromises, he/she was never a true teabagger to begin with.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 2:25 p.m. CST

    Subby

    by TedKordLives

    Let us know what you think of MOON. I'd like to hear your opinion of it.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 2:27 p.m. CST

    I guess no one's ever heard of that one.

    by anonymoose

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 2:27 p.m. CST

    I have MOON

    by Continentalop

    Have yet to watch it. I don't know why.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 2:28 p.m. CST

    ted

    by Six Demon Bag

    i got nuthin yet...but its in the mail...im looking at the screen right now..i give it an hour...

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 2:29 p.m. CST

    Man!

    by TedKordLives

    Tilda Swinton was great as Ozymandias in Watchmen, wasn't she?

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 2:31 p.m. CST

    Sixies

    by TedKordLives

    We've got all this white stuff all over the ground here. It looks familar, but I can't quite place it. <P> It's definitely not White Vader, tho.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 2:32 p.m. CST

    Colon-El

    by Continentalop

    That sounds like Muslim Foundementals. But we don't treat all of them like Terrorist. Obama is even respectful to many Muslim extremist. Why? Because it negates their ability to recruit. <p> And yes, I did a teabagger = Muslim Fundementalist analogy. I apologize to all my Muslim friends.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 2:33 p.m. CST

    ...'moose! sorry...missed your post...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...I own it...love every minute of it.<P>We should start a little club, I think we're the only two people in the world who have seen it...

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 2:34 p.m. CST

    MOON: I'd give it ***1/2 out of *****

    by ColonelFatheart

    For what it is--I see it as a cinematic novella or a long short story--it's a fully realized vision. The hype for Sam Rockwell's performance is deserved, and Kevin Spacey is invaluable as the voice of GERTY the helper robot/computer. If MOON is any indication, Duncan Jones has the chops to become a master, and I hope that MOON is an elegant, sophisticated appetizer before the grand banquet Jones is preparing for us.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 2:37 p.m. CST

    A couple more Netflix things...

    by Subtitles_Off

    That 30 day hold you guys were talking about last week sometime. That's just Warner Brothers discs, no?<P>And, it looks like RED CLIFF is only going to be available in the shorter, theatrical version.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 2:40 p.m. CST

    Webcamgate update.

    by anonymoose

    http://tinyurl.com/y8llf4f <P> http://tinyurl.com/yj5x3be <P> The webcam photo the school snapped of the kid showed him eating Mike-N-Ike's candy. They thought he was popping pills.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 2:44 p.m. CST

    I'm going watch ZOMBIELAND tonight

    by Continentalop

    I unfortunately missed that at the theaters.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 2:45 p.m. CST

    RE:MOON

    by TedKordLives

    I agree wholeheartedly with the Colon-El's take. I cannot believe Rockwell didn't even get any Oscar buzz for his performance. It's amazing.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 2:47 p.m. CST

    Netflix

    by Series7

    I notice that The Box and the Informent don't come out till next month. They are both Warner aren't they.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 2:49 p.m. CST

    So did I, Conti.

    by TedKordLives

    To my eternal regret. Great movie, tho. Not quite up to being the American 'Shaun of the Dead', tho it tries its best to be just that.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 2:49 p.m. CST

    Well I'm out of here

    by Continentalop

    See you all later.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 2:51 p.m. CST

    amazing stories on stream from netflix

    by Six Demon Bag

    talk about yer blast from the past..

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 2:51 p.m. CST

    Teddy, he didn't get Oscar buzz

    by ColonelFatheart

    because the movie wasn't big enough, and he's not that well-known, unlike Jeff Bridges.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 2:52 p.m. CST

    zombieland

    by Six Demon Bag

    i enjoyed that immensely

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 2:55 p.m. CST

    col and tedders

    by Six Demon Bag

    i dont blame sam rockwell...<P>as far as im concerned hes the NEW jeff bridges...100% in everything he commits to...<P>the film just get the push...

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 2:56 p.m. CST

    TedKordLives

    by Series7

    Too busy giving awards for Cloontang acting like he's in a suit commercial.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 2:57 p.m. CST

    Sam Rockwell IS an amazing actor.

    by TedKordLives

    I'm glad I had the opportunity to tell him in person.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 3 p.m. CST

    tedders

    by Six Demon Bag

    please tell him that you loved him in GALAXY QUEST or CHARLIES ANGELS or SAFE MEN like a fan boy...<P>thats what they want to heat...<P>they dont want the kudos from the people about moon or green mile

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 3:02 p.m. CST

    I'd tell him that

    by Series7

    He was good in Choke, but the movie sucked.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 3:02 p.m. CST

    Right Series?

    by TedKordLives

    I don't even care about the Oscars, but it'd be nice for Sam to get some validation. He's been around for awhile now, he deserves it.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 3:03 p.m. CST

    If Rockwell's the new Jeff Bridges, then we can

    by ColonelFatheart

    hope for a consolation Oscar in about 25, 30 years. At least there's that. I agree with your comparison, Sixies.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 3:05 p.m. CST

    Choke did suck big time

    by Stabby

    Boy was that a huge disappointment and a huger steaming pile of turd.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 3:06 p.m. CST

    yeah and his role was good and something different

    by Series7

    At least. Would it have killed them to give him are the shart a nod over fucking cloons?

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 3:07 p.m. CST

    ...yeah, but will Rockwell make getting older look as cool?...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...not possible.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 3:07 p.m. CST

    LAWN DOGS.

    by ColonelFatheart

    Great Sam Rockwell performance, and a strange movie, too. Anyone hear of it/see it?

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 3:07 p.m. CST

    I'm pretty sure I DID mention Charlie's Angels.

    by TedKordLives

    At least, I hope I did. I've said it before, but I cherish that movie more for the male side of the cast: Bill Murray, Tim Curry, Luke Wilson, Crispin Glover, Sam Rockwell...<P> Those are, to a man, my favorite working actors. Does that mean that McG and I share the same tastes? Ugh.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 3:08 p.m. CST

    Favorite Sam Rockwell role

    by Stabby

    in Tom DiCillo's Box of Moonlight (1997)

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 3:10 p.m. CST

    I've heard of it, Col.

    by TedKordLives

    Never seen it. Safe Men is a fucking hilarious movie, tho. Prolly the first time I saw Rockwell.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 3:13 p.m. CST

    "Cloontang in a suit commercial"

    by Subtitles_Off

    HA!

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 3:13 p.m. CST

    I am SO glad....

    by TedKordLives

    My work desk is next to the loading bay door that is positively radiating cold at me. It's gotta be under 40 degrees in my 'office' right now.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 3:13 p.m. CST

    I'm just glad that

    by Series7

    Bridges swoop in last minute to steal it from Cloontang. Man for awhile there it looked like that movie was going to clean up at the Oscars.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 3:15 p.m. CST

    Safe Men and Lawn Dogs

    by Series7

    Been meaning to see those for some time.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 3:18 p.m. CST

    Barenaked Ladies coming to Austin!

    by TedKordLives

    I wonder if they'll play the theme song from 'Big Bang Theory'.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 3:19 p.m. CST

    First time I saw Rockwell was in

    by ColonelFatheart

    THE GREEN MILE. He looked like Tom Cruise's feral and deranged brother. And that's saying something.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 3:20 p.m. CST

    ...Series, man...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...why you so threatened by George Clooney?<P>Sure, he's prettier than you are, but it's his JOB to be pretty.<P> I'm sure you're good at your job too.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 3:22 p.m. CST

    FlickaPoo

    by Series7

    Its not that i'm threatened. I just know that he can do better. His only worthwhile movie this past decade was Micheal Clayton. He needs to choose better movies, and to sit around and give him praise for that fucking thing will just make him think he is still making good movies.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 3:24 p.m. CST

    I thought it was down to one Barenaked Lady

    by Subtitles_Off

    and some sidemen. Kind of like The Who.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 3:25 p.m. CST

    ...counting or not counting OH BROTHER?...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...came out in 2000.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 3:25 p.m. CST

    Confessions of a Dangerous Mind, Series.

    by TedKordLives

    Cloontang AND Rockwell. And a fucking terrific movie as well.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 3:28 p.m. CST

    Confessions of a Dangerous Mind

    by Series7

    I could take it or leave it. The movie is sort of a mess overall. I think it would've been better in a different directors hands.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 3:28 p.m. CST

    ...one Barenaked Lady and some sidemen...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...I'm pretty sure that clip gave my computer a virus.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 3:28 p.m. CST

    I'd rather see Avatar win than Up Cloontang's A$$

    by Stabby

    that's for sure. I just hope that "Tyler Perry Presents Precious A Spike Lee Joint Based on the Oprah's Book Club Novel Push by Sapphire" manages to beat out Jason Wrongman for adapted screenplay.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 3:29 p.m. CST

    Series: BURN AFTER READING

    by ColonelFatheart

    Great Clooney performance in a very good, very funny Coens flick.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 3:30 p.m. CST

    Series, You're Gonna Like the Way Clooney Looks

    by Stabby

    I Guarantee It!!!

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 3:30 p.m. CST

    Adapted Screenplay should go to IN THE LOOP.

    by Subtitles_Off

    Won't though.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 3:31 p.m. CST

    Really, Series?

    by TedKordLives

    I think the movie's a mess only when it serves the purpose of the movie to BE a mess. <P> But that's just me...

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 3:31 p.m. CST

    HA! Stabby.

    by Subtitles_Off

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 3:31 p.m. CST

    Series, Teddy's tryna trap you

    by Stabby

    with a Clooney directed Sam Rockwell pic. Glad you didn't take the bait.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 3:32 p.m. CST

    BURN AFTER READING

    by Series7

    again. take it or leave it, nothing special. Just his shit from the 90s is all pretty fucking awesome. Its too self important. Granted it did have Pitt getting his head blown off.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 3:32 p.m. CST

    ...I'll never forget the look on Clooney or Frances...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...McDormand's face when he unveils his "exercise" chair.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 3:35 p.m. CST

    No love for Hitchhiker's Guide?!

    by Stabby

    Yeah, me neither. Not even with the peanut butter in my chocolate combo of Rockwell and Zooey,

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 3:39 p.m. CST

    Damn it Stabby!

    by TedKordLives

    You see right through me.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 3:39 p.m. CST

    I couldn't stay with HITCHHIKER'S beyond

    by ColonelFatheart

    the first five or ten minutes. Too precious, too Quirky, too much fucking Zooey.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 3:40 p.m. CST

    ...Series, you want Clooney to play ugly or retarded?

    by FlickaPoo

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 3:41 p.m. CST

    Best Clooney:

    by TedKordLives

    From Dusk 'Til Dawn. I'd still love for him to revisit Seth Gecko. Maybe a crossover with El Mariachi is in order.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 3:42 p.m. CST

    I want Clooney to play

    by Series7

    Evil. He should star as Nemesis, and show that he can make a decent Batman movie. That or a Ted Bundy bio flick....one that isn't American Psycho.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 3:43 p.m. CST

    TedKordLives, on Elfman's score...

    by D.Vader

    After being fired and rehired, and after going through NUMEROUS editors, we don't know where Elfman intended his music to play and where he didn't. That movie has been hacked to pieces, and its possible Elfman didn't want music here or here, but the producers and director and editors did.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 3:43 p.m. CST

    ...maybe a fat suit?

    by FlickaPoo

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 3:44 p.m. CST

    Any math guys around to explain this to me

    by ColonelFatheart

    in layman's terms? http://tinyurl.com/y8wsa6g

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 3:45 p.m. CST

    Clooney's too old to play Ted Bundy now.

    by ColonelFatheart

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 3:45 p.m. CST

    ...oh, an evil fat suit?

    by FlickaPoo

  • "Box of Moonlight has a few humorous moments, but mostly it is just dumb. What is so funny about mindless vandalism? It may be your cup of tea, but I cannot recommend it." STABBY NOTE: Box of Moonlight is about mindless vandalism like A Clockwork Orange is about oranges.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 3:46 p.m. CST

    I just want Clooney to show some range.

    by Subtitles_Off

    That smirk might be considered handsome, but it's damned boring to me.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 3:48 p.m. CST

    ...I heard Clooney was up for MONSTER, but...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...turned it down.<P>Chump.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 3:50 p.m. CST

    You're making a joke, Flick, but

    by Subtitles_Off

    Charlize Theron had to go ugly to be considered serious, and many actors have to go full-on disability.<P>Clooney's every critics favorite actor who has never once been required to act.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 3:51 p.m. CST

    No more prison movies for me

    by Stabby

    At least for a while, anyway. After Shutter Island, Bronson and Hunger I'm worn out.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 3:52 p.m. CST

    Clooney peeked

    by Series7

    With Three Kings.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 3:54 p.m. CST

    Vader, that's true. And a valid point.

    by TedKordLives

    I suppose I did forget that fact. I will re-target my scorn appropriately.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 3:55 p.m. CST

    And PLEASE NO MORE OCEAN'S FILMS

    by Stabby

    FOR THE LOVE OF AVATAR AND ALL THAT IS HOLY IN CINEMA!!!!

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 3:56 p.m. CST

    Clooney should play a gay guy.

    by ColonelFatheart

    Now THAT would be interesting.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 3:59 p.m. CST

    Wow. Now this is stupid regulation.

    by ColonelFatheart

    http://tinyurl.com/ygfvnbk

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 3:59 p.m. CST

    Heheh, Clooney in Burn After Reading

    by D.Vader

    " I think I can squeeze in a run..."

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 4:01 p.m. CST

    Hey, Stabs!

    by Subtitles_Off

    When did we stop referring to [deleted] as [deleted]?

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 4:02 p.m. CST

    ...I'm not taking a stand on Clooney specifically, but...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...I reject the idea that all actors these days should be chameleonesque character actors.<P>I dig Clooney if he's in a good movie. It would be curious to see him in an evil gay fatsuit, but I don't see why it's necessary.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 4:05 p.m. CST

    So, how do you describe his batman outfit?

    by Subtitles_Off

    The one with the shiny silver accents? Granted, maybe "fat" isn't appropriate. But, that was evil gay.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 4:06 p.m. CST

    Good point, Flick.

    by ColonelFatheart

    Cary Grant was Cary Grant, and that was perfectly fine.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 4:07 p.m. CST

    ...here Series, this will make you feel better...

    by FlickaPoo

    http://tinyurl.com/yk8ms5y

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 4:07 p.m. CST

    Pitt in 'Burn After Reading':

    by TedKordLives

    "Look at this. Numbers and shit, more numbers. This is the real shit."

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 4:10 p.m. CST

    Sayeth the Cloontang:

    by TedKordLives

    "Laurence Olivier disappeared into roles and you could never recognize him. Then there was Spencer Tracy, and he was always sort of...Spencer Tracy. I don't know where I fit in." <P> Sure you don't, you sly dog you.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 4:10 p.m. CST

    Cary Grant could convincingly play more emotions

    by Subtitles_Off

    than just "smug."

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 4:11 p.m. CST

    when we're being sarcastic, Subs

    by Stabby