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* Like a lot of post-Super Bowl CBS shows this week, “Survivor” did really well, its two-hour 20th season premiere beating all Thursday comers. It was nearly a full point higher in 18-49 than its 19th season premiere, and beat every episode of the 19th season, including the million-dollar finale. Were I CBS, I’d be looking into a way to cancel all the “CSI” repeats (or move the deflated forensics drama to Sundays at 10) and talking to Mark Burnett about re-editing as many future episodes of this all-star edition as possible into two-hour extravaganzas. “Biggest Loser”/”Celebrity Apprentice”-style. The idea of more all-star two-hour “Survivors” should scare silly the folks at the other four broadcast networks, which all took hits against this edition filled with a decade’s worth of the series’ most memorable contestants. * Two hours of “Survivor” also did wonders for “The Mentalist,” which beat or matched all its 18-49 scores going all the way back to September. * ABC’s “Grey’s Anatomy” hit an all-time personal low and even “Private Practice,” which did not compete directly with “Survivor,” fell way behind “The Mentalist” to match its season low. At 8 p.m., "The Deep End," lost to a "Bones" repeat. * You wouldn’t think “Survivor” would hurt The CW’s “Vampire Diaries” or “Supernatural,” but both shows fell to new all-time lows. * Fox’s “Past Life” made a miserable debut in its regular timeslot, way, way down from its 3.1 Tuesday post-“Idol” debut and racking up a substantially lower 18-49 score than the lowest-rated installment of “Fringe” ever. (Fringe has averaged 2.4 this season and 2.7 this year.) * In a rare outing in “Survivor’s” shadow, NBC’s demotion-of-Jim “Office” matched its season low in 18-49. (It should be back big after the Olympics with the hour-long March 4 episode welcoming Pam Halpert’s baby; autumn’s hour-long Jim/Pam wedding episode was easily the series’ highest-rated this season.) The Elizabeth Banks/Bon Jovi episode of “30 Rock” tied for the series’ third-worst performance this season. * Now the weird parts. Even against the might of “Survivor,” a REPEAT of “Bones” came in third place, beating new episodes of “The Deep End” and “The Vampire Diaries” (which is the CW’s top scripted show). It was the best-rated repeat of “Bones” this season. * Also weirdly and counter-intuitively strong against the “Survivor” juggernaut were NBC’s “Community” and “Parks and Recreation.” “Parks” actually matched its season high in 18-49. (Blame the sheer suckitute of “Deep End”?) “Parks” already has its third-season order and now that “Community” is beating everything on NBC except “Biggest Loser,” “The Office” and “30 Rock,” one has to suspect the Joel McHale vehicle is a lock for next season as well. * Cable comedies “Important Things With Demetri Martin,” “The Sarah Silverman Program” and “Archer” all fell to season lows. * Finally, a 10 p.m. REPEAT of “The Office” easily beat every Thursday episode of “The Jay Leno Show” aired this year, and it beat or tied in the 18-49 demo 17 of the 19 Thursday editions of “Leno.” The 10:30 repeat of “The Office” beat or tied every 2010 airing of “Leno” as well. Needless to say, both repeats far outperformed last week’s final Thursday “Leno,” which hit a personal Thursday low of 1.1 in that slot. A key question: While “Leno” episodes were cheap, did they cost NBC less to air than “Office” repeats? Find James Hibberd’s analysis here.
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  • Feb. 12, 2010, 10:13 p.m. CST

    Why don't more people watch Supernatural?

    by Human_Bean_Juice_

  • Feb. 12, 2010, 10:13 p.m. CST


    by jimbojones123

  • Feb. 12, 2010, 10:14 p.m. CST

    Go Community!

    by jimbojones123

    You so totally rock, dude!

  • Feb. 12, 2010, 10:15 p.m. CST

    Anybody wanting to play Fantasy Olympic Hockey

    by jimbojones123

    If anybody is interested, I have set one up at Please feel free to join and pass out the link. First round is round robin pickum, and second it tournament bracket. First round pix due Monday, second round the following Monday.

  • Feb. 12, 2010, 10:53 p.m. CST

    Community has the best mascot ever!

    by br1947

    or at least the creepiest. By far the creepiest

  • Feb. 12, 2010, 11:18 p.m. CST

    gretzky looked great tonite

    by brabon300

    but god, the musical acts were horrific<P> they need rush for the closing ceremonies

  • Feb. 12, 2010, 11:21 p.m. CST

    "Fell to Season Lows" ? You mean out of 2 weeks?

    by V'Shael

    You call a point 1 drop (0.1) in ratings from the season premiere last week, a "fall to aeason low?" <p> Do you even bother to look at what you're spouting? A point one drop doesn't mean shit.

  • Feb. 12, 2010, 11:23 p.m. CST

    I saw the video for the We Are The World remake

    by F-18

    Jeff Bridges has taken Dan Ackroyd's place as the "What the hell is he doing there?" guy.

  • Feb. 12, 2010, 11:26 p.m. CST

    In the linked article

    by V'Shael

    a 0.1 one drop is referred to as "slipped a tad" <p> That seems more accurate and less sensational than "fell to season lows"

  • Feb. 12, 2010, 11:44 p.m. CST

    V'Shael, thats actually a 1/10th of a point

    by br1947

    and it doesn't even mean "slipped a tad", that's well within margin of error. And no, he has no clue what he says.

  • Feb. 12, 2010, 11:54 p.m. CST

    JettL, you just proved it is not too soon.

    by jimbojones123

    I got a little giggle.

  • Feb. 13, 2010, 12:02 a.m. CST

    Gotta love the NBC commentators

    by br1947

    They were talking about it earlier, pretty much a play by play with the video in slow mo. One of them goes, "well I guess we'll just have to wait for word on the cause of death" and the others just nodded along solemnly. Um... not a doctor but I'm pretty sure hitting a steel girder at 90mph would be cause of death. I don't think "OD'd on drugs" or "died of a stroke" are in the card at this point, pretty good bet it has alot to do with hitting a post at 90 mph.

  • Feb. 13, 2010, 12:02 a.m. CST


    by gotilk

    Was really good this week and keeps getting better, IMHO. Maybe one of the most disturbing openings in the history of the show. I literally cringed and recoiled in my seat. Takes a lot to do that to me. Why this show hasn't caught on just really shocks the hell out of me. Of course, I figured it was crap until the fine folks here berated me enough to give it a shot and I was hooked. I was wrong and all of you were right. I think the tipping point was when Edshrinker told me Ben Edlund was involved. HUGE Tick fan all the way back to the comics.

  • Feb. 13, 2010, 1:13 a.m. CST

    Good job, Community!

    by xsi kal

    Love that show.

  • Feb. 13, 2010, 1:21 a.m. CST

    Maybe it's a good thing

    by Goody2shoes

    that not a lot of people watch Supernatural. I don't know how they got the opening past the censors. Beats the guy falling head first on a barbecue fork in the rabbit's foot episode.

  • Feb. 13, 2010, 1:35 a.m. CST


    by Ryanbraun14

    how funny would it have been if Herc actually decided to tune into supernatural this week? He would have watched the first two minutes or so, laughed his ass off because his (completely baseless) assumption about the show being for teen age girls who watch and swoon at the sight of dean and sam, would have been SPOT ON. Of course, after he flipped the channel 30 seconds later the show proves EXACTLY how untrue that assumption is, with bar-none the most disturbing scene EVER on ANY station not hbo or showtime. <br><br> In a way, the fact that sam and dean look like abrecromie models makes there characters more compelling--because they NEVER, NEVER, NOT ONCE have had anything close to resembling a romantic sub-plot. Not once in FIVE YEARS. In five years of 20+ episodes, there hasn't been less teen girl / romance subplots than in the first episode of Buffy. (i love buffy and angel, but its true.)<br><br>And whenever castiel is in a scene, it is GOLD--either dramatic gold or comedy gold, or both, every damn time. (the cell phone bit made me laugh out loud, minutes after watching a scene that made me cringe... only rescue me is able to do that mix of comedy/drama within a single episode.

  • Feb. 13, 2010, 1:37 a.m. CST

    *has been less

    by Ryanbraun14

    *there HAS been less teen girl / romance subplots than in the first episode of buffy.

  • Feb. 13, 2010, 1:52 a.m. CST

    "They're not incontinent."

    by Goody2shoes

    Didn't think anything could top the "he's not on any flatbread" line.

  • Feb. 13, 2010, 1:58 a.m. CST

    Started watching the first season of supernatural

    by Jubs

    So far, so good. I'm feeling it. I've been itching for an otherworldly, monster-of-the-week drama since Angel, and Supernatural is filling that void nicely.

  • Feb. 13, 2010, 1:59 a.m. CST


    by oisin5199_

    Actually, there was one romantic sub-plot. It was in Heart, and Sam ended up killing the girl at the end because they couldn't do anything to help her. The whole thing was set to Silent Lucidity, ending with a gunshot. <p> Point is... the one time they did, they made it gut wrenching. It was one of those scenes you couldn't even believe you were watching on network TV. I don't know if Supernatural is the best show ever made, but it is damn close. BTW, I can't wait to see what everyone is talking about with the opening of Ep 14. I'll have to wait another hour before I can find out.

  • Feb. 13, 2010, 2:59 a.m. CST

    That opening was fucking disguisting

    by David Cloverfield

    not to mention later, when they talked it over in the mourge. It was worse than anything in the SAW films.

  • Feb. 13, 2010, 3:06 a.m. CST

    I don't care if not many people watch SN.

    by David Cloverfield

    It should end this year anyway, how it was planned. It's great with the budget it has, if CW thought it had a cash cow in SN they would micromanage the fuck out of it. I don't need to hear a new WB owned song promoted while they're bickering in the Impala. If it has finished it's storyline in the same awesome manner (fingers crossed) slow growth of popularity will steadily continue on DVD.

  • Feb. 13, 2010, 3:20 a.m. CST

    david c

    by Ryanbraun14

    You're right--I could care less how many people watch it... In fact, its pretty obvious Herc cares about the ratings more than any of us fans do--he (for some reason) enjoys telling us the show's ratings are going down the toilet but who really gives a fuck? I have five seasons of a fantastic show that doesn't disappoint--that's what i get for watching it... what herc gets out of taking backhanded jabs at it, I have no idea. i feel bad for those who are depriving themselves of it, but that doesn't mean a damn thing to me. I will (As alot of us here have done) speak up and back up anyone who says its great and reccommend it, and how many people have we heard say here 'i gave it a chance because of all the people on the talkbacks and its great' (i'm one of them)... how many people said that about dollhouse? talkbackers -> more influence than the guy running the coax section. why? herc's biased quote reporting unquote is both obvious and makes hims untrustworthy as a judge of quality television... especially because he doesn't hide how closed minded he is.

  • Feb. 13, 2010, 3:36 a.m. CST

    Jesus Christ... JettL was banned?

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    And then had to come back with 1993 instead of 93? <p> I understand that he can be annoying sometimes, but for the most part, I find his ridiculous postulating harmless at worst. </p>

  • Feb. 13, 2010, 3:58 a.m. CST

    Good to see Community doing well.

    by Chuffy20

    Community has to be the best new show this season. The cast is great and not at all carried by Chase and McHale. I can't see it not being renewed for a second season. As for Supernaturals continued poor performance... I really don't understand how that series isn't higher rated. Last season was a bit weak, but still had some of the best episodes of any drama I watched last year. Why this site doesn't support it more when it supports some poor shows (Dollhouse? Really? I loved Buffy, Angel and Firefly as much as the next geek, but Dollhouse bored the hell out of me). Yeah it is about two good looking guys, but the only time it deals with anything soapy is some pretty heavy family issues and the only romance comes from one night stands or demon drug pushers.

  • Feb. 13, 2010, 4:10 a.m. CST

    Yeah they may look like the pretty boys...

    by lock67ca

    ...your average teenage girls would swoon over, but Sam and Dean are two the coolest, best written characters on TV. If Herc even bothered to watch any of the shows from this season alone, I think he'd realize just how wrong he is. Maybe we should "Clockwork Orange" him and force him to watch a few eps. Just Kidding Herc....maybe. Lol.

  • Feb. 13, 2010, 4:16 a.m. CST

    If they name Ben Edlund showrunner for next season

    by Hercules

    I'd never miss an episode.

  • Feb. 13, 2010, 4:18 a.m. CST


    by lock67ca

    They'll probably be done this season, if they stick to the five year plan. Edlund has done some great work on this show, especially this year.

  • Feb. 13, 2010, 4:25 a.m. CST

    There is a common misconception...

    by Spidermonkee

    That Herc cares about the ratings unless they justify his irrational and unfair opinion about an awesome genre show. The truth is, if he liked Supernatural, that headline would read "WTF Survivor?? Nobody watches the best show on television again!!" He's a master of hyperbole.

  • Feb. 13, 2010, 4:47 a.m. CST

    @oisin5199_ : So I guess you've seen the opening now...

    by V'Shael

    what did you think? Pretty fucking disturbing, wasn't it?

  • Feb. 13, 2010, 4:48 a.m. CST

    I understand Herc too

    by David Cloverfield

    It's annoying when people try to force a show down your throat, bringing it up all the time. Watching a show shouln't become a cause. I almost missed Buffy becouse I had a friend who was obsessed with it. I do it too. I can't shut the fuck up about Gattaca for example. Over enthusiasm hurts a show/movie after a point. See Vern's Serenity review for more information.

  • Feb. 13, 2010, 4:53 a.m. CST

    I dismissed it as an X-Files clone

    by lock67ca

    It was only due to the talkbacks here, that I even started watching it. Glad I did.

  • Feb. 13, 2010, 4:59 a.m. CST

    I thought Dean is going to say

    by David Cloverfield

    Yes at the end of this episode. I think he's gonna break before Sam. Them saying yes shouldn't be for some "Oh noes, they'll kill XY unless I say yes" It should be from total desperation. Dean screaming at the sky that he needs some help (even though we know that the the entities "watching" from up there are the ones making him miserable.) would've been a great moment to say yes.

  • Feb. 13, 2010, 9:43 a.m. CST

    Glad Survivor is doing well. The opening ep. was amazing.

    by Mahaloth

    Supernatural was great as well, but I'm sure it does not help to go directly against Survivor. I loved Cupid, by the way. His pathetic crying and hugging Castiel was hilarious.

  • Feb. 13, 2010, 9:45 a.m. CST

    agreed about Dean

    by gwarwilleatyou

    I was sitting there going oh shit! don't do it! Then he didn't. It's funny people think this show is for teen girls, because my wife who loves Buffy will not watch it and calls it the "dude show." Go figure.

  • Feb. 13, 2010, 9:59 a.m. CST

    Most shows would kill for the number of viewers a Grey's

    by jim

    Anatomy "all-time low" gets. However, if repeats are any indication, its fans don't seem to feel any need to ever watch those first-run episodes ever again.<p> Goody2shoes, I had the exact same thought. Castiel taking things so literally, then giving serious thought to his response, is hilarious.<p>I too was quite disturbed by that opening, then could not stop laughing during the whole of cupid's scene.<br>"That's how they say 'Hello'"<br>"I don't like it"<br>"Nobody likes it"<p> I love how the show can be both horrific and humorous, sometimes even at the same time.

  • Feb. 13, 2010, 10:05 a.m. CST

    I too thought that about Dean

    by jim

    Really, if one of them is going to cave, Dean doing it is the lesser of two evils, so to speak.<p><br>"You wouldn’t think “Survivor” would hurt The CW’s... “Supernatural,” ..."<p>It did in my house (not that my viewing habits amount to a hill of beans, or even one of the beans being counted by the ratings people). I watched Survivor and recorded Supernatural. However, with Survivor being only one hour again next week I resume my regular Thursday viewing of Survivor at 8, and Supernatural at 9.

  • Feb. 13, 2010, 10:09 a.m. CST

    Me and Supernatural

    by SPKx

    I have to say that Supernatural is one of my favourite shows, however I have never watched it in its normal Thursday night timeslot. These days I watch the show on a sci-fi/horror specialty channel in which the episodes air 6 days after they show on CW.

  • Feb. 13, 2010, 10:43 a.m. CST


    by SpikeBeoulve

    finally you speak up besides your corny headliners about how the show is declining. Can we conjecture from your remark that you hate Eric Kripke? Or does this just run from McG being a damn producer? If you would watch the damn show, you would have seen some of Ben's funniest work (a suicidal teddy bear for instance).

  • Feb. 13, 2010, 10:57 a.m. CST

    Fuck You Leno!

    by beetlegeuse

    stay gone

  • Feb. 13, 2010, 10:59 a.m. CST

    Did anybody hear

    by knowledge1027

    that they are casting a Baldr char. for Supernatural cool

  • Feb. 13, 2010, 10:59 a.m. CST

    Supernatural kicked MASSIVE MASSIVE ass this week

    by BillboeFett

    Just firing on all cylinders. Castiel's meat love, Sam's lust for demonblood, Dean eventually breaking down and asking God for help because he realizes he has no soul, the Famine guy was CREEPY as hell, great actor, whoever that was. The gore was over the top. This episode showcased why Supernatural is an awesome, underappreciated show.

  • Feb. 13, 2010, 11:01 a.m. CST

    And also

    by knowledge1027

    The Hindu goddess Kali

  • Feb. 13, 2010, 11:05 a.m. CST

    by knowledge1027

  • Feb. 13, 2010, 11:06 a.m. CST

    Damn enter button

    by knowledge1027

    Just read on another site that Supernatural has an 85% chance of returning next season.

  • Feb. 13, 2010, 11:28 a.m. CST


    by Ryanbraun14

    i'm going to wait for Jett to confirm that before I start thinking about another season.

  • Feb. 13, 2010, 11:29 a.m. CST

    Hope not

    by David Cloverfield

    It's as close to perfection as a show can get right now. If they strech it out another season, I'm pretty sure they'll ruin their "No bad episode since Season 1" record.

  • Feb. 13, 2010, 11:36 a.m. CST

    Its ironic that “Survivor” helped “The Mentalist”...

    by BackRiverCatfish

    because Sugar from "Survivor" showed her tits in a movie a few years ago called Sex and Death 101 that starred Simon Baker of “The Mentalist”. Her tits made an appearance tonight, albeit a blurry appearance, but still.

  • Feb. 13, 2010, 12:19 p.m. CST

    Is it your theory that tits = good ratings ?

    by Itchy

    That's novel. I hope more shows follow that lead. Coming up in two weeks - a very special Office starring Jenna Fisher's fantastic titties !

  • Feb. 13, 2010, 12:20 p.m. CST

    what i like about supernatural

    by Ryanbraun14

    what i like about supernatural is how an episode can be about the mythology, but we don't realize it until, like, halfway through the episode (two weeks ago with michael, it was in like the last ten minutes of the episode). We're never quite sure what we're watching until some crazy twist (how many of us thought the 'supernatural novels' episode was going to be so deeply about the mythology?).

  • Feb. 13, 2010, 12:20 p.m. CST

    Is it your theory that tits = good ratings ?

    by Ryanbraun14

    no. its media messiah's theory.

  • Feb. 13, 2010, 2:03 p.m. CST

    Supernatural - great great great stuff

    by cromulent

    went from disturbing to funny to scary to sad. Those two characters are so damaged right now, it kinda breaks your heart watching the show. I wonder how the show will end. Probably not well, for them at least.

  • Feb. 13, 2010, 2:32 p.m. CST

    Tits never hurt ratings! They can only help!

    by BackRiverCatfish

    Its not a theory, its a fact, look it up!

  • Feb. 13, 2010, 3:41 p.m. CST

    Supernatural is one of the best shows on TV

    by Xiphos_2

    In one episode you can get action danger, humor, deep emotional aspects of the characters, a religious component handled smartly and interestingly and a series long arc that is flat out fantastic.<p> SN also has two leads with boat loads of charisma that tie it all together. Kudos to the writers they do a fantastic job of writing and continuity.<p>Fuck any douchetards that says the show is for teen age girls, although I'm sure many watch, those lying motherfuckers never watched an episode.

  • Feb. 13, 2010, 3:42 p.m. CST

    Tits= ratings

    by Xiphos_2

    but so do midgets. tits + midgets= ratings gold.

  • Feb. 13, 2010, 4:09 p.m. CST

    Xipnos (and others)

    by Ryanbraun14

    I mentioned it in an above post and see that others are thinking the same thing: supernatural walks that line from exceptional comedy to exceptional drama and even walks tangent lines of action and horror. Add to that classic rock that fits the mood, or even CREATES the mood (often through contrast of what we see and what we hear). The one and only show that can walk the line between comedy and drama in a single episode is RESCUE ME. That episode where dean died over and over was as laugh out loud funny as ANY show on tv--including comedies. <br><br>I love how so many talkbackers are so enthusiastic about the show that the ignorant people who make posts and try to bash it just end up looking funny and stupid because the a) haven't seen the show and b) are an unquestionable and very tiny minority. Every talkbacker deserves credit for all these talkbackers who like the show--i've never seen an instance on aicn where the talkbackers word of mouth has turned so many other talkbackers into fans of a show...

  • Feb. 13, 2010, 4:10 p.m. CST


    by Ryanbraun14

    bears + beats + battlestar galactica = ratings gold

  • Feb. 13, 2010, 5:37 p.m. CST

    Just finished Supernatural season 4

    by drewlicious

    Wow. Not only is the show well-written and well-acted its also heavily researched. I get a kick out of the obscure biblical references. At first I thought Lilith was just a name drop but when I saw what they did with her and watched the special features I was really impressed. This is some seriously great stuff and it sucks that now I have to wait until Season 5 drops on DVD because I doubt they're going to rerun the whole season in the next couple of months.

  • Feb. 13, 2010, 5:47 p.m. CST

    tack on another

    by Ryanbraun14

    has herc ever come close to turning talkbackers on to a show like how so many of the talkbackers have turned so many other talkbackers onto supernatural?

  • Feb. 13, 2010, 5:47 p.m. CST

    My experience with Supernatural.

    by MapMan

    Based on all I've heard I rented the first season of Supernatural. And I have to say that I find it quite dull which is surprising based on all the praise that is heaped on it.<br><br> My impression is that the show creators wanted to do a monster-of-the-week type show with a bit of mythology thrown in with the boys' dad and the demon he is tracking. Seems like the mythology is an afterthought which the writers are trying to flesh out. I'm almost finished the first season and I'm finishing it off by just watching the mythology episodes. The stand-alones are pretty hit and miss.<br><br>So does the show get a lot better in the later seasons? Based on season 1 I'm not enthused on seeing more unless it gets much better...

  • Feb. 13, 2010, 5:55 p.m. CST


    by Ryanbraun14

    IT GETS AWESOME. I'll be the first to say, its nothing special in its first season, entertaining, but not much more--you could also say the first half of season 2 is better, but its once you plow through the first season and a half it gets

  • Feb. 13, 2010, 5:58 p.m. CST

    it gets

    by Ryanbraun14

    it gets fucking EPIC and BIBLICAL -- with a mythology so deep you will be hooked. I would tell you how cool it gets, but i don't want to ruin the experience for you. Stick with it--you will NOT be disappointed. And every talkbacker who is a fan of the show would agree with these comments. NOBODY will try and praise season one because its not praise-worthy. 1.5-on, incredibly praise worthy

  • Feb. 13, 2010, 6:08 p.m. CST


    by SpikeBeoulve

    I actually will disagree with you. I love season 1. In my opinion, it included some of the best stand alone episodes of the series. Plus, it had Jeffrey Dean Morgan, the man is awesome...and such a tragic father figure on the show. Jeff needs more work.

  • Feb. 13, 2010, 6:11 p.m. CST

    I highly doubt Office reruns are cheaper than new Leno

    by Tall_Boy66

    Don't everybody get royalties and stuff when that airs again? Lots of ching-ching-ching. It's not as if they air it again for free.

  • Feb. 13, 2010, 6:35 p.m. CST


    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...shows I have ended up watching and loving/liking thanks to Herc's column and the talkbackers within: <p> The Wire <p> Burn Notice <p> Sons of Anarchy <p> The Shield <p> Supernatural <p> Modern Family <p> That list includes my favorite show all-time, The Wire. And although as you already know I only like Supernatural, after quitting on it initially three episodes into its run I am glad I was lured back. <p> There have also been shows I visited because of talkbacks that I ended up not liking, like Nip/Tuck. So it hasn't all been fruit cups and super balls. <p> But whether it was Herc or just talkbackers championing the shows, if not for the column I probably wouldn't have tried them, so you've got to give some of the credit to Herc.

  • Feb. 13, 2010, 7:16 p.m. CST

    Red Ned Lynch:

    by Ryanbraun14

    I'll give you that. I gave wire a chance because of the talkbackers, in non-wire talkbacks because the wire is the standard for television and it will be a LONG time before a show usurps the rediculously high bar that wire set. (its more like a giant novel than a tv show, imho). Tried Burn Notice, also from talkbackers, and was underwhelmed. Sons of Anarchy hasn't interested me from the premise (now if it was about Ken Kesey's schoolbus clan and hells angels, like in the electric kool aid acid test, I'd schedule my days around it). The shield--i'll give credit to herc for that one. The enthusiasm was conveyed well in the titles for the talkback, but I got bored of it somewhere around the middle of season fivev. Supernatural--talkbackers, obviously. Not familiar with Modern Family. Thinking about it, people probably give things chances because of herc or the talkbackers... <br><br>oh, how could i forget: i owe herc for bsg, and that alone makes me compelled to retract my 'has herc ever convinced...' comment. <br><br> Come to think of it, the fact that herc is such a dick about supernatural probably works in teh talkbackers favor becasue it ensures that all the fans kind of 'double post' in the sense that they call out herc for being biased against it AND (more importantly) people just want to talk about the awesomeness of the show. <br><br>Itll be a while before I let go of how bitter I was at herc last season for the non-talkback talkback he gave for the supernatural finale... every now and then i need to remind myself that i can't really bitch about herc ignoring supernatural anymore because of the ratings talkbacks.

  • Feb. 13, 2010, 7:36 p.m. CST

    Sugartits and Patton Oswalt

    by BackRiverCatfish

    The best parts of Sex and Death 101.

  • Feb. 13, 2010, 10:30 p.m. CST

    Supernatural is a show i never miss


    excellent program

  • Feb. 13, 2010, 11:20 p.m. CST

    Chime in on Supernatural season 1 being "meh"

    by V'Shael

    I really wasn't too impressed with it when I saw it. There was a line in the pilot where Sam says to Dean something like "We were raised as warriors!" And it's delivered with undue sincerity (in my opinion). And I remember at the time thinking that was a clunky line. You need to show, not tell, that your characters are bad-ass. <p> But other talkbackers told me S1 was kinda weak, so I plowed on through to Season 2. And I'm glad I did. Comparing the show to its first season, I'm reminded of comparing ST:TNG to its first season. Or Buffy to its first season. Those shows also took some time to find their feet.

  • Feb. 14, 2010, 12:40 a.m. CST

    Thanks for the advice re: Supernatural

    by MapMan

    I will check out season 2. I finished Season 1 tonight. It ended pretty good.

  • Feb. 14, 2010, 1:07 a.m. CST

    Community is the funniest sitcom I have seen in years!!!!

    by archer1949


  • Feb. 14, 2010, 1:11 a.m. CST

    Reasons why you should be watching SUPERNATURAL!!!

    by Nick Michalak

    Okay, to prove how FUCKING AWESOME "Supernatural" happens to be - within the span of seven days, I watched the entire first four seasons of the show, and it was my first time ever watching the show. I bought up all four seasons within a week, and watched them all within that same time period. Luckily, this was the week of Thanksgiving, and all the sets were on sale at ridiculous prices! Got 'em all for around $60 total. I'm dead-on hooked on this show, and it has not failed me at all, not once. It is truly compelling, honest, bad ass, and consistently solid and of high quality. The writers, creators, and actors are owed a HUGE volume of praise for maintaining such a constantly entertaining, intelligently written, compelling, and fascinating television series. The show had one of the best first seasons of any mythology or genre show out there, ever. Most said first seasons are rocky, trying to find their footing, and producing too much filler. "Supernatural" started off on solid ground, and immediately began to build strongly upon it. The show's never swayed from what it was meant to be, and the addition of Misha Collins as Castiel was a stroke of genius! Misha got the character right from the start, and has evolved him to an equally entertaining and powerful character. He hits all the beats right, and for a role like that, which is such a straight man, not getting a single one of Dean's quick witted pop culture metaphors, is not an easy balance to achieve. The show has taken cues from a lot of successful genre series' that came before it, and refined it all. It's horror, humor, drama, emotion at both personal and epic scales. This show is nothing but a classic in my eyes, and I've only been a fan for nearly three months now. I wish I had been there from the start! Anyone who is not watching this show needs to give it a serious try. Check out the re-runs on TNT on weekday mornings - it's worth your time. This comes from a fan of The X Files, Angel, Buffy, and Highlander.

  • Feb. 14, 2010, 2:39 a.m. CST

    In defense of Supernatural season 1

    by Xiphos_2

    It's arc was vastly different then the later seasons because it was the personal/family journey of the Winchester boys. Sam and Dean were just starting to learn what their purpose in life was, past killing nasty beasts. The grand arc was at it's infancy so the impact of the weekly "monster of the week" episodes did not seem as epic or important as the later seasons.<p> The other thing the writers did in season 1 was pass on subtle pieces of info about Sam and Dean's future you have to re-watch the early eps to see them though.<p>

  • Feb. 14, 2010, 3:11 a.m. CST

    A S6 of supernatural sounds like crap

    by FrodoFraggins

    By all indications, S5 will end the satan/angel battle and a S6 would be more intimate, stand alone stories. I'm not sure I'd take time to watch SN live if S6 happens. And it sounds like Kripke is more and more interested in a S6 as time goes by,<br><br> That being said, the last episode was awesome and put things back on track, as I'm of the opinion that this season should have very little to no filler.

  • Feb. 14, 2010, 3:40 a.m. CST

    Agree with xiphos_2

    by Goody2shoes

    I think it would be wrong to just dismiss season 1 except for the mythology eps. A lot of the stand alones developed the brothers' relationship, and the influence of their father, which is the core of the show anyway. Bugs wasn't a very good episode, but it started the whole gag where people sometimes think they're a couple. Besides which, a lot of them you can't tell until midway through what they are. I thought Scarecrow was a stand alone until the last scene. And the line in Home when Mary says "I'm sorry" literally bugged me for years until season 4's In the Beginning. But it's things like that that make seaon 1 worth watching. And let's face it, first season Buffy had some clunkers. I mean, "I Robot, You Jane" anybody? It wasn't totally awful, but come on.

  • Feb. 14, 2010, 4:06 a.m. CST

    After the Apocalypse...

    by lock67ca

    ...a sixth season would be extremely anti-climactic. While I'm sure they could still come up with some great stories, where do you go after dealing with the possible the end of the world and the final battle between God and Satan?

  • Feb. 14, 2010, 9:10 a.m. CST

    Yeah, Supernatural S1 is kind of clunky

    by maelstrom_ZERO

    <p>I remember a lot of those standalone, monster of the week episodes as being pretty mediocre. The racist truck and the bug invasion, for example, were pretty awful. But the season had its fair share of really good standalone episodes that focused on the Winchesters' past and their interaction with each other and their father, which is kind of important later on.</p> <p>That being said, I thought the whole Colt arc near the end of S1 was fantastic. I think it was during this point where I actually started to admit that Supernatural was kind of amazing. Then the show got progressively better season after season, which surprised me.</p>

  • Feb. 14, 2010, 10:23 a.m. CST

    Oh shit, the colt arc started in season 1

    by David Cloverfield

    I was sure it was season 2. The first season is only half bad then.

  • Feb. 14, 2010, 1:27 p.m. CST

    From a newbies perspective.

    by MapMan

    Having just finished season 1 and based on that I don't think I would go further. But based on the talkbacks here I will definitely check out season 2.<br><br> But they sure took their time getting things going. It's lucky they were given a greenlight to go ahead with a second season IMO. Lokking back after further season maybe it'll make more sense.<br><br>Compare it to the first season of X-Files. They didn't really start the mythology until the last episode when Deepthroat gets killed. Unless you count the times when Smoking Man is showed filing away some evidence in the warehouse room in the Pentagon. I think X-Files had a much better season 1 than Supernatural. But like I said, this is just my opinion from seeing season 1 without understanding the big picture that is being laid out.<br><br>Off topic but, I wonder why Joss Whedon doesn't pitch new series for the CW? Unlike FOX, the CW will give a show some time to find its legs.

  • Feb. 14, 2010, 2:47 p.m. CST

    @Mapman : I had a similar reaction

    by V'Shael <p> In that talkback, I had started watching season 1, and wasn't THAT impressed by the show. But yes, season 2 was much better. And season 3 was even better again. For me, the 4th season was the best. It's not that I don't like season 5, I just think that after the climax of season 4, they slowed WAY WAY down in the fifth season.

  • Feb. 14, 2010, 2:54 p.m. CST

    This talkback, also had a lot of that supernatural coverage

    by V'Shael

    in it. <p> <p>

  • Feb. 14, 2010, 3:22 p.m. CST

    The season to season improvement of SN

    by Xiphos_2

    Is impressive.

  • Feb. 14, 2010, 3:47 p.m. CST


    by lock67ca

    I think Whedon won't pitch a show to the CW because he's still pissed over the way the cancellation of Angel was handled. Then again, he also said he'd never work for Fox again. So, things change.

  • Feb. 14, 2010, 5:24 p.m. CST

    Poor Dean this guy can't catch a break.

    by SID 8.0

    Supernatural, what can I say that hasn't already been said. Castiel popping up right in front of Dean was too funny. Sam falling off the wagon, he could smell the demon's blood as it walked past him in it's meat suit. The man woman pasta at the begining was thoroughly disgusting. I have no idea how the season will end but I can't wait. Anyone reading this and not watching the answer is yes, there is something wrong with you.

  • Feb. 14, 2010, 6:31 p.m. CST

    If Dean says yes now...

    by damfino_yanno

    Can Michael attack Lucifer in his current Pellegrino body? Or does he have to wait until Sam says yes to being a vessel, too?

  • Feb. 14, 2010, 6:41 p.m. CST

    Season 1 & 6

    by Bunnie

    First half of season 1 almost turned me off. Glad I stay tuned for Home 'creepy toy monkey and garbage disposal' Scarecrow 'nuff said' Faith 'We can't kill Roy, we can't kill Death' and the Benders which had the best PiP of the entire series imo. Season 6, if it happens, I hope will go back to a more MoTW vibe. And like many I'm glad we've had five season milage from this low ratings gem, otherwise the network gets its paws in and next thing it'll be teen romances and kick arse girlfriends riding in the back of the Impala...

  • Feb. 14, 2010, 7:06 p.m. CST


    by I_am_the_ultimate_product

    Herc said if Edlund became showrunner of SN he'd never miss an episode. That's silly. I personally think Kripke is doing a fine job. Edlund has written a ton of great SN eps, but really, what would that change? Honestly, I think it would be worse, with the momentum Kripke has going with this, a new showrunner would be suicide. After SN is done, I'll follow Kripke to his next project. On the other hand, Herc for the longest time was a Heroes fan, ran by Tim Kring, who has proven time and time again to be a hack of the greatest magnitude. The only reason Heroes was ever good was Fuller, and everyone knows it.

  • Feb. 14, 2010, 8:17 p.m. CST

    Who cares About Ratings??

    by Oldnewbie

    This site never did!! Now we have weekly talk backs geared around ratings!! This site has gone to shit. It used to be about shows, now it's about ratings. Oh and "Supernatural" has become an awesome show. It started out slow and sloppy, but I am glad I stuck with it. Screw Herc for not having a talk back devoted to it!!

  • Feb. 15, 2010, 12:59 a.m. CST

    "used to be about shows, now about ratings"

    by Shermdawg

    Oldnewbie, it still is. Yes, this whole thing may have been partly to track how awful The Jay Leno Show was doing, but it is also what a lot of talkbackers were begging for. <br><br> Remember how last spring people kept begging Herc for a Supernatural talkback? Remember how those people (possibly my self included) took over other show's talkbacks to discuss it? How other people would ask why Herc wasn't covering their favorites as well? This was the solution. <br><br> Herc can still do his thing highlighting the shows he loves and hates, and give us the lastest castings and news while still offering that daily smorgasboard of a talkback where we can pretty much discuss anything and pass it off as a ratings report. <br><br> It hasn't "gone to shit". If anything, Coaxial has improved because of it.

  • Feb. 15, 2010, 1:08 a.m. CST

    Sorry about letting The Zone thing fall off, guys.

    by Shermdawg

    I was tied up last summer, no net for awhile, and this season I've been watching Supernatural sometimes a week after it's aired due to it being one of those shows I always watch with friends or family. <br><br> Speaking of which, I got a chance to see Thursday's episode this afternoon. <br><br> Holy crap, you guys were right, that opening scene may very well have bumped the beheading in season three (you know the one) off the top spot as the most gruesome moment in the show's history.

  • Feb. 15, 2010, 7:16 a.m. CST

    I wonder...

    by meCPS

    how many people saw the show synopsis on the channel guide and shrugged last week's ep off as a stand-alone with some cutesy story about Cupid ? And then missed the awesome introduction of another horsemen. Kripke's take on "Famine" was ingenious. I'm actually scared to see what DEATH looks like when they finally get around to shpwing him to us. I know Nick raised him already, but we haven't gotten a peek yet.

  • Feb. 15, 2010, 8:39 a.m. CST

    Castiel eating those motherfucking HAMBURGERS!

    by turketron_2

    Holy shit if it didn't bring a smile to my face every time Castiel bit into one of those hamburgers on this week's Supernatural. It was pretty gross what he ended up doing later with the raw burger meat though. Yeah, that opening was pretty gruesome, and the discussions about it later (the guy still "chewing", and the discussion at the morgue) were even more disgusting. Loved every bit of that though.<p> meCPS, yeah, I'm sure many shrugged off the episode based on the description. Hell, one of my good friends told me it was a weak episode when he hadn't even watched the whole thing - he only saw up to the point with Cupid and missed all the Famine stuff (idiot). <p>I'm so glad many talkbackers decided to give this show a chance. Yeah, we all know season 1 was pretty weak but if you power through you're rewarded with seasons 2, 3, 4, and now 5. As for a season 6, I believe someone in the CHUD thread for Supernatural on the television board suggested that it would be awesome to see Dean and Sam go up against some Lovecraftian Great Old Ones. Lets see the boys put the smack down on Cthulhu and the like!

  • Feb. 15, 2010, 9:02 a.m. CST

    Yeah one way to go is to have all the nasty things

    by David Cloverfield

    in the world trying to move in on the action after the fall of heaven and hell. After all, we know other gods exist out there.

  • Feb. 15, 2010, 11:52 a.m. CST

    just saw TNT

    by Ryanbraun14

    supernatural is in syndication on TNT. This means a) it is a great show and b) it is a guys show c) herc's clueless.

  • Feb. 15, 2010, 12:21 p.m. CST

    Actually, Herc's not clueless.

    by Shermdawg

    He did a podcast with a talkbacker on or someplace last week in which he said he's sure it's a good show from all the praise it's been given, but after it not initially grabbing him and it being hard to jump into any time he tried to do so he just doesn't watch it. It doesn't connect with him because he's coming around too late and doesn't have the time to marathon through four and a half seasons, like some of us do. And I can totally understand that, I'm like that with tv shows, if I don't watch it from the beginning, chances are I won't bother, and anytime I did try to get into something, I felt lost.<br><br> On the podcast said Supernatural featured a lot of things he liked. He said he digs Jensen and Jared and called them two of the best young actors today, or something. He said he likes old cars, shotguns, demons, and classic rock. The show just didn't grab him when he sampled. <br><br> He's not as clueless as you may think.

  • Feb. 15, 2010, 1:51 p.m. CST

    Supernatural vs. X-Files

    by frozen01

    Supernatural actually succeeded where X-Files failed. X-Files was BEST when it wasn't involved in storyarchs... the "monster of the week" eps were where it really shined. Supernatural, however, can do both "monster of the week" AND "mythology/storyarchs" incredibly well. The last few seasons, from the introduction of the Horsemen and especially Castiel, have been some of the best on TV. The mythology is pitch-perfect for a generation that seems to be a bit jaded when it comes to religion. Supernatural is really starting to become my favorite show on TV. <p>Oh, and Vampire Diaries? I will never understand why anyone watches that show. A co-worker of mine begged me for weeks to check it out, so I finally did a few weeks ago. I made it ten minutes, I swear to god. When they got to the point where the main vamp was giving his human squeeze a compass that pointed to the nearest vampire, I couldn't take it anymore. I would rather watch Twilight, and that is saying something. <p>My gender is completely insane.

  • Feb. 15, 2010, 2:17 p.m. CST


    by Ryanbraun14

    Doesn't have the time? i've asked but he's never answered: is this his only job? if not, what does he do?

  • Feb. 15, 2010, 4:34 p.m. CST

    He lives by Studio City in Burbank

    by buffywrestling

    So what ever he does, he probably doesn't want it to get around. I listened to that podcast too - something I've done like one other time before - because I wanted to hear his take on Supernatural & Dollhouse. Oh and Leno! <p> I personally didn't get involved in watching hour drama series for a looooong time after Firefly. That just fucking disappointing. But at least now when something gets canceled or stops airing, I don't whine about it. Almost expect it really.

  • Feb. 15, 2010, 4:38 p.m. CST

    I watched the Vamp Diaries

    by buffywrestling

    premiere - that was enough for me to say, "Never Again." Everyone says it getting better but I don't believe them yet. It has to be A LOT better; not just minor improvements.

  • Feb. 15, 2010, 4:43 p.m. CST

    fuck that, you MAKE TIME for shows this good

    by turketron_2

    Seriously. Doesn't matter how much time has passed in this day and age with Netflix, the internet, and whole seasons of TV available on DVD it's so easy to get into shows now. Plus, when the summer months roll around and there is hardly ANYTHING good on TV, that's the best time to check out some new shows. There's nothing like nursing a hangover while kicking back and devouring several hours of good TV. I dunno, unless you're a family man that works several jobs I don't see how it's possible to "not have time" for a show. You just have to be a Marathon Man dammit. I appreciate Herc giving us these talkbacks to discuss whatever show is on that day of the ratings though.

  • Feb. 15, 2010, 4:44 p.m. CST

    yeah, i haven't touched Vamp Diaries

    by turketron_2

    I haven't heard anyone whose taste I respect say that shit is good.

  • Feb. 15, 2010, 4:59 p.m. CST

    Sometimes even people's opinions

    by buffywrestling

    I respect are not enough to keep me with a show. Glee, for instance. Most critics seem to like it. Hell, Massa LOVES Glee. WHEDON is directing an episode. I still just...meh.

  • Feb. 15, 2010, 5:16 p.m. CST


    by Ryanbraun14

    I feel the same way, but i also could understand not having the time if you have commitments with job or family. But i'm sorry, if you RUN A SITE/COLUMN ABOUT TV, EDUCATE YOURSELF ON WHATS ON TV! I'd do his job for free along with my job. I'm sure many others would too... and we could all do it better (acknowledging more shows) or at least just as good because its not like Herc ever breaks stories... <br><br>this site has a devoted following and features the types of people you don't find on many other sites... its not about 'finding another site to talk about a show on' its about how you get to know talkbackers and you want to hear THEIR takes on shows... <br><br>maybe you don't have enough time, but the fact is that you have a readership and you should be in touch with the topic of your column, and you should at least make an effort to give them what they want, as opposed to giving them the fuck you. <br><br>listen, i appreciate the ratings talkbacks--they have solved the problem of talkbacks being hijacked last season (although ONE MINUTE out of herc's time to create a supernatural would have ended that--literally ONE FUCKING MINUTE of his time), but i will NEVER forget the HUGE DOUCHEBAG MOVE that was actually creating a talkback for the supernatural finale, but clicking the box that locks the talkback. That was bullshit, and childish. Talkbackers by nature are childish at times, yes, but the people who run a site that the readers support and keep in business should respect their following, and take the highroad, and be professional and courteous about it.<br><br>I'm sorry, shermdog, but there's no defense for the lost talkback. There just isn't. YOU may have seen that as a win, but this talkback ALONE has 3x the amount of supernatural talk than anything on the zone--the zone sucks.

  • Feb. 15, 2010, 5:27 p.m. CST

    I may have criticised Herc in the past,

    by V'Shael

    not rabidly or anything. But yeah, I've had my problems with some of his decisions. <p> I don't believe he doesn't have a problem with SN though. As Ryan said, the locked finale talkback was insulting, banning members for talking about it was insulting, never giving it a talkback... You can't possibly convince me that he just hasn't given it time. He actively hates this show, for some reason. Or if he doesn't, he's certainly acted as if he does.

  • Feb. 15, 2010, 6:20 p.m. CST

    You can listen to Herc here if you want

    by buffywrestling <p> Not that it might make any difference. But he does address why some things get talkbacks and some don't. FF through some stuff & he's on about halfway through.

  • Feb. 15, 2010, 6:28 p.m. CST

    I mean, I *could* tell you what he said

    by buffywrestling

    but I don't want to put words into his mouth. People seem to do that a lot to him lately.

  • Feb. 15, 2010, 9:08 p.m. CST

    I get that there's only so much TV one person can watch

    by jim

    One solution: Coax could be run by two people; even extend the section down the home page to allow more stories to hang around there longer. Of course, that might make things worse if neither likes someone's favourite show. <p>I get that he tried it but it didn't grab him. I've tuned into Big Brother but have never managed to watch more than bits and pieces of the odd episode; I really like Survivor and The Amazing Race, but CBS's other reality show just doesn't do it for me. Similar for another of Herc's favourites - Gilmour Girls. I like Lauren Graham but find nothing enjoyable about her character. <p>Supernatural is a show that is best experienced from the beginning. Even if the first season isn't that strong it does lay the foundation for the series. Still, it did have some good episodes, and I liked their takes on some urban legends (some of the stuff they did in the Bloody Mary episode really freaked me out). But it's not a show one will find that accessible being a casual viewer, or trying to jump into it at some mid-point. Imagine if, never having seen Lost but having heard for years how great it is, you finally tuned in, only to find yourself watching an episode about Jack and his tattoos? I think it would have left you less than impressed. Even fantastic shows can have awful episodes that, if that's the one sampled by the prospective convert, can kill any interest in the show. If the first episode of Boomtown you watched was the third I'd wager it was also the last. Egads, I loved that show but that was a thoroughly dreadful episode.

  • Feb. 15, 2010, 10:46 p.m. CST

    "YOU may have seen that as a win"

    by Shermdawg

    I never said that. I don't know if I feel that. But it was certainly an opportunity. An opportunity for us to discuss the show, in a place still on AICN, advertised by Herc, and most importantly a way to deter the drama that was breaking out over the show in HIS column. AICN is Harry's site. Yeah, the talkbacks and the community they support are a huge fucking draw, but they'll do what THEY want with it, because it's theirs to do so. We should be lucky Herc has thrown us a bone then, and now with these ratings reports. <br><br> The show's most likely nearing it's end, don't you think it's past the point of bitching about it now? I mean Christ, at least SuperNat got to reach it's end and wasn't cut short. How often does that nowadays for scifi offerings? <br><br> And you know what? The ratings, didn't even mean all that much after all. As Herc pointed out on the podcast, those low rated CW shows sell a fuckton of dvds. So the fanbase word of mouth did spread. It was a successful show. Maybe not on the levels of Lost and other mainstream offerings, but it was successful. Complaining a bout a lack of a official talkback NOW is just beating a dead horse. And pretty annoying. Almost as annoying as the guys complaining about it in The Zone thread and instead of discussing the show with the folks that were trying to do so, they rather use that opportunity to hate on Herc. It was lame then, and it's lame now. Let's just enjoy the rest of the probable final season and forget about it. It's done. <br><br> And after all that has happened, I'm still willing to bet Herc will actually give the fans one for the series finale. It's almost as predictable a situation as Welling appearing in tights in Smallville's finale, and Lost's island being a speck of dogfood in Vincent's water bowl. And if that does happen, I hope the discussion doesn't get derailed. But then again, it would be fitting for the Dollhouse fans to hijack things. I mean it'd only be fair.

  • Feb. 15, 2010, 10:51 p.m. CST

    If you're gonna crap on AICN, crap on...

    by Shermdawg

    ...them for never widening the comment box in the Quick Talkback Form so we can easily spot mistakes. :(

  • Hey, hey, hey, hey, HEY!, Spoiler alert, dude! Of course it's better than the one I heard where the last scene has Matthew Fox waking up on a couch, then proceeding to tell Neve Campbell and Scott Wolf about a crazy dream he just had. <p> Shermdawg, I am usually on here on my MAC, using Safari. On the bottom right of this Comment Box, are 3 lines, which when dragged, I can expand the box. I have noticed it is not there when I am on my PC using IE. So, not sure if it's a MAC thing or a Safari thing. Either way, it is very handy, especially when composing long diatribes.

  • Feb. 16, 2010, 12:22 p.m. CST

    Hey! Supernatural just got renewed!!

    by buffywrestling

    According to Hibbert at Live Feed :D

  • Feb. 16, 2010, 1:19 p.m. CST

    Great News!

    by mad_taffer

    I just read this on IGN, but you beat me to it. :)

  • Feb. 16, 2010, 1:45 p.m. CST

    "New series low!!" = renewed

    by Ryanbraun14