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Now, Let's Go See Roman Polanski's THE GHOST WRITER at the Alamo South next Wednesday!!!
Hey folks, Harry here... Mr Beaks has been raving to me about THE GHOST WRITER, he compares it to Scorsese's latest, SHUTTER ISLAND - as an example of two of our great filmmakers exercising a level of vitality and youth in their work that is just exciiting and fantastic to watch.
I'm very happy that AICN & FANTASTIC FEST can bring this film early. Just look at the cast: Ewan McGregor, Pierce Brosnan, Olivia Williams, Kim Cattrall, Timothy Hutton, Eli Wallach, James Belushi and Tom Wilkinson! I can't wait to see Polanski return to the thriller/mystery genre!
The screening is next Wednesday, February 17th at 7:30pm at the Alamo South.
So - how do you get in?
This screening is for you and a guest. Like the HOT TUB TIME MACHINE screening, this will be 1st come, 1st served. Send an email to: HK at AintItCool.Com with the following exact headline:
I Wish Polanski Were Coming Too!!!
Write it exactly like that - so it goes to the right email folder. I'll update this page with the results once it is filled - and additional details...
See you next Wednesday!
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Can the guest be 13 and under?
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...inside a 13 year-old.
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I'm honestly looking forward to this film, and if I'd started the TB talking about the movie this thing could have gotten off on a better foot. Unfortunately, I'm a weak, weak man.
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There's that flight problem thing again.
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That was always my favorite line from "The Blues Brothers" What? Look, I'm very talented and after all that line was from a movie released 30 years ago so there is nothing inappropiate about it and we should all move on and get over it. Thank you liberal Hollywood,now lets go after people who believe in Jesus because they are very bad people. Not like me, cause I made Chinatown and that gives me a free pass for life!
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...really disturbing dude. But... ya know... maybe that's just me.
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I admit I was previously on the fence re: Polanski, figuring he's been 'forgiven' by the girl, and has lived in exile for years, water under the bridge, blah blah blah. But then I saw that documentary that's supposed to make you feel for the guy, and it actually accomplished the opposite! I now definitely think he needs to come back to the US and face justice, whatever that might be. What a fucked up dude. One of my favourite filmmakers, no doubt, but still... dude needs help. And to pay for his crimes, also.
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Tomorrow morning I know what I'll be reading drinking my coffee. Don't disappoint me. ☺
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i've never paid to see a child rapist's movie and I ain't about to start now...
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"I Wish Polanski Were Coming Too!!!"No doubt a deliberate provocation by Harry to the Polanski haters.
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"I Wish Polanski Were Coming Too!!!" -- Seriously, have you no shame? For the record, I am by no means a "Polanski hater". I enjoy watching his movies. I just believe that Roman Polanski needs to do 8-10 years of hard jail time like all child rapists.
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"What have you gotten me into?" Silly.
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Supporting a scumbag like Polanski?
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Didn't need to mention the directors name there.
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Alas, I live in San Francisco :(
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Then we could go back to talking about what we all venture this website for: movies. Hey, one can dream.
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...Polanski into Texas by boat via the gulf and he just strolled out onto the stage to introduce the movie. I'd love to read the talback accounts of that screening.
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Feb 11, 2010 1:38:25 AM CST
I will never support Polanski's films while he's alive...
by starwarrior
He may be a great filmmaker, but he's also a criminal who has not made amends for raping a 13-year-old! You want to support this man. Go ahead! Being a great filmmaker, in my mind, does not give you carte blanche in the real world.
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boycotting AICN for daring to support an ephebop---, wait that's too hard to pronounce, let's just call him a pedophile instead. That'll learn 'em!
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I've never publicly chimed in on my take on Polanski's situation. I feel that he never should have left. Faced and dealt with his situation. I hate that this shit wasn't dealt with and over before I was socially aware of what he did, so he could work as an artist on the otherside of it. I can't even imagine the works he would have made after that time in jail. He's a brilliant filmmaker and an incredibly frustrating story. My only concern now - is that he's avoided this for so long, that if and when the US gets their hands on him, that he won't be able to handle prison. And we'll lose an incredibly vital artist, whom's works I have appreciated for decades of my life. ALL because he chickenshitted out of his situation. Meanwhile, let's see what Avary comes up with on the other side of his long haul.
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anyone releasing his films aren't much better.
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Is that the biggest crime is that the world got cheated out of movies?
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Feb 11, 2010 4:51:00 AM CST
Headgeek, the art vs artist debate doesn't work here.
by s0nicdeathmonkey
Polanski used his position of power as an influential aritst to gain access to a child for the purposes of sex. He did it in a manner that implies extreme forethought and planning. This was not accidental, whim behavior. This is the process of a serial rapist. I don't care if we "lose a vital artist". I don't even care about the 13-year old he gave 10 million dollars to so she would shut up. I'm more concerned with what I see as a high likelihood for many, many other victims.
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He should be in jail and he should be there for life. He RAPED a 13 year old girl. He should be locked up and raped by inmates on a daily basis until he's dead. No films he makes can justify his wrongdoings and he shouldn't be allowed near a film set ever again.
I've read the argument that his films should stand apart from his actions but that's bullshit. He made his films while on the run from the law for a horrible crime. Every film is tainted and for AICN or anyone to support his films, you are effectively supporting his fugitive status and by extension his rape of that girl. You're sending a message that it's ok to rape 13 year old girls as long as you make a good movie. -
Rather, it is a site that is dedicated to reviews of movies. Harry probably doesn't give a fuck about polanksi the man, or what he has done. Nor should he. As a film critic he cares about films. And as it happens, it is unlikely that Polanski will ever make another. Film lovers have a right to mourn the future films they will never see, and they also have a right to mourn the films that weren't made because Polanski didn't spend time in prison during the 70s and 80s. By expressing his view, which is not an uncommon one, Harry has not done anything wrong. He has not suggested what Polanksi did was ok. He has not endorsed his behavior. He has merely been honest.
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*starts plucking the hair out of his Bratz dolls to fashion a suitable wig that will make me look like a nubile nymphette*
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anyone who drugs a 13 year old, gets her drunk and then fucks her in the arse certainly must wear the tag pedaphile tatooed on their heads in bold..... but i think what bothers me most is the gruesome slaughter of his woman and unborn child 10 years prior. sure, he was out of the country..... but...... when a man keeps nasty secrets you gotta question all the oddities surrounding his life. i wont see his films on principal. ie, there are some real struggling artists of good character, yet this guy keeps getting budgets and payoffs? I'm not gunna support his coke habbit
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with an underrage harlot, who'd been passed around more than a two-foot joint backstage at a Grateful Dead concert, he should suddenly be thought of as being in cahoots with the Manson family, conspiring to kill his own wife and child?
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I'm all for free speech, but buddy you are WAY out of line with some of what you wrote.
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And I reckon the amount of guys attracted to young teens is disturbingly high. Otherwise why else would gymnastics have such high ratings? Gymnastics are just pedophilia for cowards.
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Someone ought to start a shaved midget escort service, that way they'll get whatever they want out of soft little folks with high-pitched voices, and there would be no victims only paying customers and willing whores.
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I didn't say he was in cohoots with the mansons.... I also never said he raped a girl. but there are people who believe he did rape a girl and others who say he was involved with the murders. me, im fence sitting. he had sex with a 13 year old girl, but how do we really know she wasnt flashing her pussy in front of him? he fucked her and she was under age. thats enough for me to hold a low opinion of the guy. so thus, my opinion being low of him, well it calls into question all the criminal activity which surrounds the guy. off the high horse dude!
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...Victor Salva was shitting out those horrible Jeepers Creepers movies? Nowhere. Why? Because it's only popular to hate on Polanski because he's actually _talented_ and makes incredible movies.
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...One recognized by all minimally rational and responsible adults. The child's degree of willingness is totally irrellevant, BECAUSE IT's A CHILD! It is on the adult to know better and act responsibly. Consent isn't a term that applies to a child in the first place (the driving concept and definition of statutory rape, by the way). So if the kid dims the lights, sets the music, and pours the wine it doesn't make that adult's actions one bit less predatory. Doesn't make that adult one bit less of a pervert.
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I was just adding some context so that people didn't think she was, to quote Gore Vidal, "a little angel in white dressed in her communion dress." I still think that the idea that Polanski set up his own drop-dead gorgeous wife and unborn baby to be murdered by a gang of untamed, uncontrollable crazies- who'd be just about the least likely contract killers ever- is just about one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. You might as well have said he had something to do with the holocaust going down, seeing as how he was "involved" in that when he was younger, too.
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Those are the only three words you need to know about Polanski. His saggy ass needs to get shafted by a 20inch dildo every day for a year.
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Why is vitriol of this sort reserved for child molestation and not murder, rape, or war crimes? Hell, over the last decade, support for murders, rapists, and war criminals has been mandatory for membership in a certain US political party.
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(Balls fists( It makes me sooo mad!
And that Jimmy Carter! Goddamn Iranian kidnappers! Billy Beer! Goddamn Billy Beer!
All this indignation over Polanski and thirty year old crime from TBs who have undoubtly jerked themselves silly while counting down to when some young actress becomes legal. All while Glen Beck hasn't denied raping and murdering a girl in 1990.
"Polanski, he's just like that Obama fellow! He's a goddamn Communist! Wants people to have healthcare through the government without payin' for it! Communism! Like in Europe! And that state called England! I love Sarah Palin! She makes those libs SOOO mad! Polanski!" (Does a Christopher Meloni punch)
PreCrime Director Chris Hansen then delivers an inspirational lecture about how the media should be involved in law enforcement to overturn the reforms of the Warren Court.
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" It's not as if he's roaming the streets attacking girls".
Come on Johnny.
Would you be saying the same if a guy in his forties fed your daughter wine and then sodomised her at Jack " Hound Dog " Nicholson's house?
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that the assholes will talk about Polanski's rape case,rather than his movie.and they will convert the talkback into a 'trial' on how the victim was not that innocent and that the offender was not that guilty after all.tsts typical fucking human behavior.i am out of here.
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Fuck him and any movie he does and shame on anyone who supports him or his work.
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I have niece who is 13. I would fucking kill if any cunt raped her not sit back and think hang on what if he's a great artist. The fucker should have his balls cut off n fed to him. Not forgiven for the sake of art. I tell you what Hitler was a fucking great graphic designer look at the master race, natty buch from arts point of vue. Oh in that case he wasn't such a bad bloke after all. You bunch of cunts you and beaks both. Tell you what I bet your view changes when you have a daughter. Don't support his films it's supporting him
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I have niece who is 13. I would fucking kill if any cunt raped her not sit back and think hang on what if he's a great artist. The fucker should have his balls cut off n fed to him. Not forgiven for the sake of art. I tell you what Hitler was a fucking great graphic designer look at the master race, natty buch from arts point of vue. Oh in that case he wasn't such a bad bloke after all. You bunch of cunts you and beaks both. Tell you what I bet your view changes when you have a daughter. Don't support his films it's supporting him
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Are u for real, Taste of Love? Calm down, you are raving like a mad person.
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We get it, you don't like him. Post it once to make yourself feel better and move on to something that drives you a little less batty. Unless you like stressing yourself out talking about things that piss you off, in that case just keep on living a miserable life. Me? I venture the Polanski discussions because I find his movies brilliant and am extremely excited for his new and perhaps final film. Can't wait until it's out in San Francisco!!! Ghost Writer is gonna rock ;)
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...that the statute of limitations for whatever he did 20-30 years ago, ran out? I don't condone what he did or did not do. But come on guys, it was decades ago! Let the man just make the movies we love and let it go! He didn't kill anyone and from my understanding, he never raped the girl...it was consensual. For the lil kiddies on the talkbacks, that means she said "yes."
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If it was consensual why was he on a rape charge and fled the country?
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Who worked with this guy while he was in Europe after fleeing the USA. That means you Johnny Depp, Harrison Ford and A.Brody.
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first of all he plied her full of drugs. if you had gone to college, some fat lesbian counselor would have proved to you during Frosh Orientation that legally a woman cannot consent in that state. second she was 13. under any conditions it is statutory rape. for your little kiddie brain that means it's rape under any conditions in the books (statutes) even when not mechanically rape. third you're wrong, according to court testimony she begged the little bugger to stop and he kept raping her. I laugh my ass off at all the hypocrites who spit in OJ's food and the shrill cries of how he killed his ex-wife yet when it comes to Polanski because he's well-connected in Hollywood, because he's part of a protected ethnicity (Jewish elite like Woody Allen) he gets off free in the media and in your weak minds. Not sure which is more depressing: the fact that Polanski gets off free for who he is and the "movies he could make" or the fact that OJ's biggest crime was NOT still playing in the NFL when his wife and lover were murdered. With ESPN, ABC and FOX pimping him to draw more ratings to Sunday football, maybe morons like you would be out there defending OJ as well. It'd be one thing if Polanski was out there promoting NAMBLA with speeches or had perverted sexual ideas without harming children... having even perverse views is fine and it's protected by Western laws and customs but when you're out there raping kids and running from the law there are consequences. It doesn't make him a bad filmmaker, but it does make him a terrible excuse for a human being and if the legal consequences of his OWN FREE ACTIONS prevent him from making movies then it's it's justice long delayed.
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That you're even framing going to prison for your crimes as some sort of voluntary "situation" that Polanski had a choice in is totally beyond any concept of social morality. Second, his major transgression wasn't "handling" the situation incorrectly (although yes trying to buy your way out of jail by paying off the victim is like something out of The Merchant of Venice), Polanski's "mistake" was drugging and raping a 13 year old girl. Cmon man, very disappointing post from you. I know you need to kiss his ass so as to not piss off his very powerful friends but a low point IMO.
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This, seemingly everybody's favorite go-to legal loophole, does not apply here. There's a time limit under which formal charges must be filed. Charges were filed against Polanski decades ago...and they'll linger until he handles it or dies.
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...only slightly more impotent and pathetic than internet petitions.
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We won't lose a visionary artist if he goes to jail....we'll lose a rapist and pedophile who escaped justice. I too appreciate his films (The Ninth Gate remains my favorite) but that is mutually exclusive - he must pay his debt to society for his heinous evil crimes.
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...for Polanski to show up for this. Somebody's going to do the right thing and call the cops to haul his ass away. The showing may be in the "progressive" city of Austin, but it's still Texas, and any kind of rape isn't something people around here take well to.
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What is it with society that so many crave punishment for behaviors that while outwardly reprehensible are couched in circumstances that should be considered before we pass judgement? If this really were a case of child rape, instead of a statutory violation, as it apparently was according to those who were there, including the young woman, then I'd be all for his being royally railed in the medieval fashion he would so richly deserve. But it wasn't and going after Polanski in hopes of throwing him into a situation where the haters are hoping he'll be violently abused in some sick example of 'turn around is fair play' is even more barbaric and perpetuates the culture of brutality our prisons are supposed to address. Instead we wish these prisons to be torture chambers as if torture will somehow deter the monsters that lurk on the fringes of our society. This approach manifestly hasn't worked and instead makes things worse. It's time time find a better way. Polanski should be publically humiliated, as I think he probably has been, made to do penance, not necessarily imprisonment (the two are not synonymous) and made to pay a very heavy fine which should go to support of the real victims of sociopathic sex crimes which have for too long been overlooked by an admittedly warped society. Anyone who thinks that all young women are innocent or not active players in sexual intrigue and power play have not understood the human history nor the dynamic of human sexuality. Again, this is not to excuse Polanski but it must be seen in realistic light and not as a case of a violent monster attacking a frightened pre-sexual and inexperienced female. To fail to ignore this trivializes the cases where we do actually have pathologic monsters who really do violently and sexually assault children, not just in the legal sense but in the very real sense.
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... about a douchetard who gets sent to prison for drugging and raping a 13 year old girl. while in prison, he gets raped repeatedly. the rapists are never charged because it isn't "really" rape.
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Hey asshole he was found guilty and fled before sentencing. Limitations only count for filing charges not from fleaing sentencing. He is a pussy a monster . And harry those films u love so much shouldn't have been made in the first place since he should have been in prison. He got away with a crime for 30 years and was allowed to continue to do what he loved most. He owes the u.s. 30 years of hard time back. Shame on you hosting this screening and for trying to start a fight with the talkbackers wit your contest entry headline. You called his rape of a child a 'mistake' which proves how stupid you are. Spilling milk is a mistake raping a 13 year old girl by drugging her and getting her boozed up is a plan you fat fuck
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since you're clearly a self gelded cunt, you won't have the opportunity to explain why your 13 year old daughter's drug assisted rape isn't "really" rape.
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The statute of limitations might be expired for child rape but every day he's not in jail he's committing the crime of being a fugitive. As far as the actual child rape is concerned, the court records which Polanski didn't deny contain testimony from the girl swearing that she repeatedly said no. The Smoking Gun has the whole thing. Here's the part of the testimony where the girl describes the rape. http://is.gd/8cUVE
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up top there looks like a drunken sports fan. off-topic, for sure, but i felt the need to point it out
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Feb 12, 2010 12:34:13 AM CST
OJ was good at football but he still SLAUGHTERED his wife
by canvasseamonkey
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Weird. He drugged and raped a thirteen year old girl, and has been a fugitive from justice for decades.
Harry and other aicn staffers get plenty righteous at all sorts of people for what amount to gaffes... but are willing to let child rapists slide. I really can't understand that. -
"boycotting AICN for daring to support an ephebop---, wait that's too hard to pronounce, let's just call him a pedophile instead. That'll learn 'em!"
Your comments suggests a misunderstand on your part. People aren't mad at Polanski because he felt attracted to a thirteen year old girl (which would be ephebophilia, and isn't particularly abnormal). People are mad because he DRUGGED AND RAPED HER THEN FLED THE LAW. -
"You're saying because he hooked up with an underrage harlot, who'd been passed around more than a two-foot joint backstage at a Grateful Dead concert"
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"Why is vitriol of this sort reserved for child molestation and not murder, rape, or war crimes?"
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"...that the statute of limitations for whatever he did 20-30 years ago, ran out?"
Irrelevant. He was caught and confessed, and went to trial. The statute of limitations don't apply in those circumstances. You can't be found GUILTY, and then just go to another country until the clock runs out.
I don't condone what he did or did not do. But come on guys, it was decades ago! Let the man just make the movies we love and let it go! He didn't kill anyone and from my understanding, he never raped the girl...it was consensual. For the lil kiddies on the talkbacks, that means she said "yes."
She didn't. She said no, EVEN DESPITE the drugs. Polanski didn't dispute that. It's also irrelevant, though; a 13 year old CAN'T give consent to sex with an adult. Even if she said 'yes', that's not legal consent.
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Well I wouldn't want to be surprised he doesn't want to be prosecuted in a country so damn atavistic it still has the death penalty in practise. Not to mention a country capable of such blatent manipulation of the law, as shown in movies like The Thin Blue Line (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096257/).
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but that doesn't mean we have to be. While in the eyes of the law, a thirteen year old is a thirteen year old; to me, a person who isn't a lawyer and has no interest in the legal process, there's a world of difference between breaking into an orphanage and diddling an innocent little choirgirl, and getting it on with a girl who was brought into his presence for one purpose. What he did was fucked up, for sure, but the real villain here is the girl's mother who brought here there.
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*Well I wouldn't be surprised he doesn't want to be prosecuted----etc.
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Hopefully it doesn't disappoint!! And I'm betting Michael Caine steals the show!
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There's so much naive hate and hypocrisy going on in this talkback it's not even funny.
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and I said hell yeah, this talkback will be great! Sorry, I am disapoint. Looking forward to downloading this, that way I get to see a great movie without giving money to a monster.
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"Fuck 'em" - Tracy Morgan
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Why anyone would want to give money to and therefore express support for a child rapist is truly sicking.
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Why do you even bother to post any Polanski-related articles on the site, KNOWING that the ONLY discussion in the ensuing TalkBack is going to be about The Crime???? Having said that, permit me to chime in with my tupence. Most of us seem to get it -- Polanski is a child rapist and should be punished accordingly. He also makes good movies. How anybody can say that the latter in any way nullifies the former is beyond my comprehension. Also, anybody who tries to argue that the child's giving "consent" in any way mitigates the fact that this man had sex with a 13 year old should promptly feed their own genitals to a badger. Fuck... are you kidding me???? So all of you assholes trying to somehow shift the blame to the girl -- You'd all be fine with a grown man fucking your 13 year old daughter, as long as the kid gave him the go-ahead? What kind of a man fucks a child? And what kind of a man would give that man a free pass for it? What kind of a man wouldn't want his balls on a platter and his head on a pike? And Harry, it's pretty disappointing for you to finally chime in on the issue, only to lament the impact Polanski's exile has had on YOUR relationship to his cinematic work, and how you feel cheated that you didn't get some kind of post-prison gritty world weary works of cinematic genius from the man. You didn't explicitly touch on your opinion of the crime itself, as a crime, and therefore you come off as a Polanski apologist who is more concerned with his filmmaking than with the fact that he fucked somebody's 13 year old daughter. If that's where you stand on it, then that's pretty shitty. If you want to clarify your position, please do. Tell me if I've pegged you wrong here. You talk so often about your love of kids and your hopes of being a father one day. I guess I expected a little more rage for justice from you.
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Nothing special about any of them. Uwe Boll is a better filmmaker.
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The difference between Victor Salva the director of Jeepers Creepers and Polanski is although they are both rapists Salva didn't flee the country and did the jail time. Salva committed a crime and did his time. Polanski committed a crime and ran and hid.
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and they think we should too
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You think Uwe Boll is more talented than Roman Polanski? Wow, you truly are the Glenn Beck of TBers.
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Fucking scumbag prick...
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I think Star Hump wants to dance with yours.
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For the record, Glen Beck STILL hasn't denied raping and murdering a girl in 1990.
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trying to avoid getting caught by the law? It's kind of like WWII prisoners of war being encouraged to escape from prison. It's only natural trying to do your damndest to avoid the law. It's the only thing giving criminals a sporting chance!
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Feb 13, 2010 12:24:04 AM CST
He raped a 13 y/o in the ass while she had inhaled qualudes
by zodnotgod
I really like it when child rapists get a pass, yet George Lucas is vilified for making money. Strange world we do live in, you miserable fuckholes.
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I'm thinking any old pervert could do what they want in this world, but as long as he was "talented" gets a pass. Look at Michael Vick- should have been kicked out of football forever and served at least a decade of hard time, but because he draws in the know-nothing, knuckle-dragging, booger-eating football lovers he's let out for some reason.
Both Vick and Polock-ski are bums. Bums for doing the crime and bigger bums for not getting the proper justice served. May they both rot in hell and seriously, fuck all you Liberal slime who think either man is aces in your twisted book. pathetic. -
Anyone who has paid to see a Pedlanski film, should be arrested for aiding and abetting a known fugitive.
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I like the thought of watching the movie on the internet (not that I would EVER suggest or do that, of course). I say we all take our $12.50 that would have gone to this movie, catch the flick somewhere, um, with limited surcharges (again, never would suggest finding it on the internet..that's illegal folks!) and send what would have been ticket money to buy whatever prosecuter is up for hanging Polanski in court a big juicy steak dinner. This is like Charles Manson's Folk music...just because I'm curious to hear what the heck kind of music that crazy bastard would put on an album, it doesn't mean I want to fund the producer's new Hawaiian condo. And I have to say..the fact that any person on this site not suffering from some form of brain trauma or severe mental retardation thinks for a millisecond that the willingness of a 13 year old girl has ANYTHING to do with either the legality or morality of what Polanski did is flat out the dumbest person on the planet. No exageration...if you believe it was in any way OK just because the girl was willing, go to the mirror and take a look at one sorry ass dumbfuck.
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No one is forcing anyone to see this film, so I don't understand why so many people are compelled to force everyone else to endure their complaints concerning how much they are NOT going to see it.
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Plus, there's a private "meet-and-greet" with the director after the screening. Drinks will be provided... >:)
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If my daughter were almost 14 and had been having sex for a year already with an older partner and was therefore already sexually experienced, s the young woman says she was, and I knowingly let her go someplace where I knew she was going to pretend and allow others to think she was 17, drink alcohol which she was already doing, and take quaaludes which she had already done in earlier episodes with others, which she says she did, to have de-facto consensual sex activity with a man who was much older than she was, I'd suppose I'd do what the mother of this young woman who was involved with this Polanski person did. First off, after seeing that the young woman's physical and mental health were intact, I'd want to resolve it and not get myself in deeper trouble realizing that I might be statutorily liable for the crime myself, which would send me to prison and my daughter into the states foster care system...I might say "well, well, well,...just like your grandmother who also got pregnant at 12 or 13 or 14 (some people mature sexually more rapidly and adamant about wanting sex with older people...it's called 'socio-biological instinct').
Again, I'm not saying that Polanski was admirable in this. I clearly think he wasn't, but I also don't see it as a simple case of a violent psychosexual monster preying on little girls who continues to roam the streets abductiong the young and defenseless and sexually assaulting them. There are monsters out there. We should guard against them and if possible address their psychotic behaviors and certainly take them away from free society as treatment if not as punishment, but that clearly was not the case with Polanski according to those who were involved with this case including the young woman. Additionally Polanski did not flee, deny his wrong-doing and he reportedly made a generous financial contribution to the young woman to compensate for his crime. To simply treat every statutory violation of our morality laws as if each and every one were the worst imaginable expression of these crimes is willfully ignorant of the circumstances, the nature of humans and the laws we have to a point that we'd almost deserve the terrible prison and mental health systems that we now have. I am of a mind that we deserve better and in fact need better if we're going to really advance society. If people wish to think that this was the worst case scenario, they are welcome to do so but it ignores the facts as presented in this case.
If I were a parent and my child were violently abused by a sexual predator, I would indeed be a gelded cunt if I did not want revenge. That is human nature too, and laws are sometimes to designed to protect us from that.
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I paid the whore, so what's everyone's beef???
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http://tinyurl.com/yhsy8bn Perspective, The world, Fucked. Up.
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claiming it was consensual or a long time ago or whatever, dont understand the argument. perhaps it WAS consensual, 13 year old girls love to fuck, everyone knows it but doesnt want to admit it, BUT that doesnt mean a GROWN MAN should take advantage of that fact. THATS why its labelled as RAPE idiots. as for the statute of limitations argument. thats a stupid loophole that no crime should have. its retarded, come on.
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ROMAN POLANSKI: WANTED AND DESIRED, it was called. Saw it on a few months ago - well worth renting or catching on TV for the perspective it gives on the case.
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raping that little girl. Why? Because I clearly don't understand the argument and am not only an idiot, but a retard.
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of showing all the things leading up to "the incident", that played a part in why he did what he did. Does it make some of us who don't think everything's black and white sympathize with him? Clearly,but does it make what he did right? F*ck no. In summation, nothing is ever black and white. There are always multiple facets to anything and to not acknowledge that truth, only leads to ignorance and mistruths.
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We've to watch RP movies only,not his personal matter.Please remember The Pianist.
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It doesn't matter if the child begged Polanski to have sex with her. He still had sex with a minor. That's statutory rape. Then he fled the country and has been avoiding coming to the USA for decades because he would be thrown in jail the minute he set foot on US soil. If that ain't fleeing then I don't know what fleeing is. Moreover, if you look at the official court testimony the girl testified that she told him no several times and Polanski never challenged that account. http://is.gd/8cUVE So no matter how much people try to paint the girl as sexually active or "asking for it" the court documents do not support that. Polanski raped a child and fled from the country rather than face the consequences.
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I would disagree in that that particulars of this case do matter. They matter as to how the court agreed to his plea. That's what statutory means.
You've obviously done some research on the subject. The wikipedia entry is pretty comprehensive and I think fairly neutral on the particulars. As I sad before, I think Polanski should have faced the cosequences and the record shows that he was prepared to do exactly that until the case became politicized by social conservatives for whom the statutory reality of the case was unacceptible and for whom it became a politcal football. -
Feb 18, 2010 2:28:53 AM CST
I am assuming that most of you have not seen "Lolita," either ve
by mistermanreturns
Just curious, as it surely would have made some of your tiny heads explode. Exactly when did AICN turn into a gathering site for screeching harpies? Can't you debate moral/legal issues without sounding like a hoard of idiots? Have you allowed the "media" of whichever persuasion to succeed in turning any discussion into a simplistic tirade? If there is a Polanski film that I love (and there are many), I will do so without side notes and excuses.
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And "Gigi" and "Candy", and even "My Fair Lady". One could create a long litany of noteworthy works or art (and even religion) that feature sex between couples where one or both would, by our modern victorian standards, be considered too young to be fully invested as sexual adults based on choronological/legal age. And thanks Harry. You deserve some credit as a forum in which to exchange points of view. I'm sure you probably knew your readership would be as expressive as they have been in this regard.
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Have a look at this, about pedos in congress http://tinyurl.com/yaync24
How can Ewan MacGregor work for UNICEF childrens charities and still help Polanski make a fortune. What a douche hypocrite!
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