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There Was An EXPENDABLES Screening Last Night, And Here Are A Few Reports!!
Merrick here...
Like the headline says - Stallone's THE EXPENDABLES screened last night in California.
(At least) two AICN readers were in attendance and sent in their thoughts after taking a look at the movie (I am soooooooooooo jealous right now).
The first review says the film suffers from being too devoted a throwback to 80s action fare - the other says Sly completely nails the retroness of EXPENDABLES and that the movie works wonderfully. Essentially, seems like both reviews are saying Sly fully accomplished making the movie he set out to make - no small feat these days.
Keep in mind, EXPENDABLES won't hit until late Summer - so it's quite feasible the film will be significantly tweaked from the version screened last night.
First up: a message from “The Recruiter”...
Caught the Winnetka Pacific Theater advance screening of “The Expendables”. I thoroughly enjoyed the latest Rocky and Rambo movies and grew increasingly excited about this movie as the updates came in regarding who was joining the cast. Stallone had shown with Rambo that he could direct action, wasn’t afraid to throw in some over-the-top violence and this killer line up of names would certainly, in the very least, prove fun and exciting. As the film stands right now, Jean-Claude made a wise decision.
Stallone set out to do a straight-up homage to 80’s macho action hero flicks. The problem is he sticks so close to that formula and makes no concessions for the changes that have taken place in the last 20 years, he actually creates a movie that suffers for its commitment to being a throw back with nothing new brought to the table. We all remember the hero who runs though a hail of hundreds of bullets and never gets hit, right?
Well, even in the late 80’s we were already joking about how silly that was, yet here it is in 2010. Remember when every sexy female character was the victim who needed her man to defend her honor? Well, apparently there has been no evolution there either. The rag tag team of quirky, deadly and constantly bantering Mercs? Check! Now, I loved “Tango and Cash” or “The Last Boy-scout” or whatever Seagal spectacle was playing...back then...but today I want a bit more and I think the average audience member will too. I can always rent “Commando” if I’m feeling nostalgic.
For those of you who like a good vs. bad rundown, here you go:
The Good:
Jason Statham will make it through this movie unscathed, retaining an appealing chemistry with the audience despite a silly subplot about his on-again, off-again girlfriend (Charisma Carpenter, formerly arguably hot in “Angel” and now in desperate need of the gym wins for least appealing or talented actress onscreen in recent memory. Her recent SyFy “House of Bones” is no longer her worst performance).
Jet Li has the best comedic material, playing his size and ongoing money woes for a few chuckles, and he mixes that with some of the better, although too closely shot, fight scenes (totally blowing what coulda/shoulda have been a classic Dolph/Li smack down. Steve Austin was solid as an overly tough right hand to Eric Roberts’ over the top and totally generic bad dude I’ve already forgotten. Mickey Rourke, in the role of a wise, former Expendable with a heart of gold and a tattoo parlor, is as cool as possible with the material given.
The music was mostly classic, known rock tracks and fit very well with the film…except for the ending action scene which was matched up to a horrible ripped-out-of-the-80’s sounding little ditty. Is Survivor still doing soundtracks? I don’t know if this will all make the final cut, but overall the music was just fine.
Two standout action scenes are also worth mentioning: The first was a pier full of baddies getting blown to bits as the result of some creative airplane flying from Stallone and Statham, and the other is the ending siege on the standard issue bad guy fortress…pure cheese, but fun enough with some good arm breaking, stabbing, head dislocating, incinerating, shooting, more shooting, kung-fu, etc. I actually prefer the action scenes in the latest Rambo, but wasn’t bored here.
The last “good” item I’ll mention is the hyped cameos from Bruce Willis and the Governator. It’s a short scene, maybe 5 minutes, with a couple of chuckles, and one solid, but far too expected, laugh regarding a certain character and his political aspirations. Not great, but “good”. Worth mentioning, Bruce looks good, Stallone looks good, Arnold looks like a grandpa…politics must be rough.
The Bad:
The humor was awful. Really, really bad. One of the bad guys in the beginning actually says “I would rather die than hear that joke again” after Dolph tells a nearly unintelligible bit o’ humor during a terrorist hostage pre-credit intro. The terrorist promptly gets shot and by the end of the movie, I wished I had chosen death over hearing the movie’s “humor” as well. He got off easy.
The Expendables is chock full of the worst banter I’ve heard in years and that includes sitting at Denny’s at 2am next to a table of teenage girls. A few, very few, clever lines get out, but the hit-miss ratio will make the creators of “Meet the Spartans” look like geniuses. There was no sense of danger the entire length of the film unless you happen to be evil.
Nobody on the Expendables team ever feels like they are genuinely in danger…Joss Whedon would have decimated this team by the midway point, yet with Stallone at the helm even a traitorous, unrealistically crazy-from-the-get-go team member who gets shot and gives a dying admission lives and is looking fairly chipper by movie end. I don’t think you have to wipe out the team, but the movie is called “The Expendables” so I was expecting a bit of weight to the violence..a sense that there are at least some repercussions when engaging in a war, but nope..nada. Maybe the title is meant to be ironic..ooh..clever Mr. Stallone.
Also, it’s worth mentioning that there is absolutely no attempt to get a female audience. None. Sure, a few scattered females who like brainless, over-the-top action films will see this with arms wide open (especially if no new Twilight is competing against it), but for the remaining 99.9% of women you get female characters who exist purely as victims in a male dominated fantasy world..even the default “heroic” lead female is smacked, slapped, dragged, pulled, tortured and nearly raped only to be saved last second by the strong men of the movie.
A perfect film…for 1985.
If you use this, I believe I need a code name…call me “The Recruiter”
Here's another report - this one from "D."
I was fortunate enough to attend tonight's screening of Stallone's 'THE EXPENDABLES'. While I've had the luxury of seeing many films before their official release, this is the first that really warrants from me an actual review. (Spoiler-free, out of respect for the film-makers.)
First off, the hype and trailers which have been leading up to this film's release don't do it justice, by any means. For lack of a better term, this movie kicks ass. It is a nostalgic return to the classic action films that have been long forgotten in the CGI-obsessed era of film-making.
Luckily, Stallone has re-invented the genre merely by re-uniting the actors who created it. The film is a magnificent culmination of everything you would hope to see in such a re-union, from the humorous and rival camaraderie, all the way to the ultimate show-downs between the film's main characters.
While the action is of course worth seeing on its own, the film in its entirety is overpowering. And probably only something Stallone could have pulled off. The movie goes beyond being just a brazen action film, and I think the audience really appreciated all the intimate (yes, intimate) characterizations that play out in the movie. While Stallone (as the leader) shares a crucial bond with each of his guys, there's also a great team mentality amongst them -- as if they've all been with each other for a long time, have all seen the same shit, and are still somehow trudging on.
Anyways, without spoilers I'd just be going on and on about the movie.
But after seeing this, I couldn't give a shit about Avatar and James Cameron's smurfs fighting over a mineral. (All due respect, Mr. Cameron.) But once in a while, you have to see Sylvester Stallone, Jason Statham, Jet Li and Dolph Lungren beat the shit out people. And for the most part, that was 20-something years ago, so it's about time...
And to think I was almost late because I couldn't find a damn envelope. All worked out according to plan, luckily...
Sincerely,
D.
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Caught the Winnetka Pacific Theater advance screening of “The Expendables”. I thoroughly enjoyed the latest Rocky and Rambo movies and grew increasingly excited about this movie as the updates came in regarding who was joining the cast. Stallone had shown with Rambo that he could direct action, wasn’t afraid to throw in some over-the-top violence and this killer line up of names would certainly, in the very least, prove fun and exciting. As the film stands right now, Jean-Claude made a wise decision.
Stallone set out to do a straight-up homage to 80’s macho action hero flicks. The problem is he sticks so close to that formula and makes no concessions for the changes that have taken place in the last 20 years, he actually creates a movie that suffers for its commitment to being a throw back with nothing new brought to the table. We all remember the hero who runs though a hail of hundreds of bullets and never gets hit, right?
Well, even in the late 80’s we were already joking about how silly that was, yet here it is in 2010. Remember when every sexy female character was the victim who needed her man to defend her honor? Well, apparently there has been no evolution there either. The rag tag team of quirky, deadly and constantly bantering Mercs? Check! Now, I loved “Tango and Cash” or “The Last Boy-scout” or whatever Seagal spectacle was playing...back then...but today I want a bit more and I think the average audience member will too. I can always rent “Commando” if I’m feeling nostalgic.
For those of you who like a good vs. bad rundown, here you go:
The Good:
Jason Statham will make it through this movie unscathed, retaining an appealing chemistry with the audience despite a silly subplot about his on-again, off-again girlfriend (Charisma Carpenter, formerly arguably hot in “Angel” and now in desperate need of the gym wins for least appealing or talented actress onscreen in recent memory. Her recent SyFy “House of Bones” is no longer her worst performance).
Jet Li has the best comedic material, playing his size and ongoing money woes for a few chuckles, and he mixes that with some of the better, although too closely shot, fight scenes (totally blowing what coulda/shoulda have been a classic Dolph/Li smack down. Steve Austin was solid as an overly tough right hand to Eric Roberts’ over the top and totally generic bad dude I’ve already forgotten. Mickey Rourke, in the role of a wise, former Expendable with a heart of gold and a tattoo parlor, is as cool as possible with the material given.
The music was mostly classic, known rock tracks and fit very well with the film…except for the ending action scene which was matched up to a horrible ripped-out-of-the-80’s sounding little ditty. Is Survivor still doing soundtracks? I don’t know if this will all make the final cut, but overall the music was just fine.
Two standout action scenes are also worth mentioning: The first was a pier full of baddies getting blown to bits as the result of some creative airplane flying from Stallone and Statham, and the other is the ending siege on the standard issue bad guy fortress…pure cheese, but fun enough with some good arm breaking, stabbing, head dislocating, incinerating, shooting, more shooting, kung-fu, etc. I actually prefer the action scenes in the latest Rambo, but wasn’t bored here.
The last “good” item I’ll mention is the hyped cameos from Bruce Willis and the Governator. It’s a short scene, maybe 5 minutes, with a couple of chuckles, and one solid, but far too expected, laugh regarding a certain character and his political aspirations. Not great, but “good”. Worth mentioning, Bruce looks good, Stallone looks good, Arnold looks like a grandpa…politics must be rough.
The Bad:
The humor was awful. Really, really bad. One of the bad guys in the beginning actually says “I would rather die than hear that joke again” after Dolph tells a nearly unintelligible bit o’ humor during a terrorist hostage pre-credit intro. The terrorist promptly gets shot and by the end of the movie, I wished I had chosen death over hearing the movie’s “humor” as well. He got off easy.
The Expendables is chock full of the worst banter I’ve heard in years and that includes sitting at Denny’s at 2am next to a table of teenage girls. A few, very few, clever lines get out, but the hit-miss ratio will make the creators of “Meet the Spartans” look like geniuses. There was no sense of danger the entire length of the film unless you happen to be evil.
Nobody on the Expendables team ever feels like they are genuinely in danger…Joss Whedon would have decimated this team by the midway point, yet with Stallone at the helm even a traitorous, unrealistically crazy-from-the-get-go team member who gets shot and gives a dying admission lives and is looking fairly chipper by movie end. I don’t think you have to wipe out the team, but the movie is called “The Expendables” so I was expecting a bit of weight to the violence..a sense that there are at least some repercussions when engaging in a war, but nope..nada. Maybe the title is meant to be ironic..ooh..clever Mr. Stallone.
Also, it’s worth mentioning that there is absolutely no attempt to get a female audience. None. Sure, a few scattered females who like brainless, over-the-top action films will see this with arms wide open (especially if no new Twilight is competing against it), but for the remaining 99.9% of women you get female characters who exist purely as victims in a male dominated fantasy world..even the default “heroic” lead female is smacked, slapped, dragged, pulled, tortured and nearly raped only to be saved last second by the strong men of the movie.
A perfect film…for 1985.
If you use this, I believe I need a code name…call me “The Recruiter”
First off, the hype and trailers which have been leading up to this film's release don't do it justice, by any means. For lack of a better term, this movie kicks ass. It is a nostalgic return to the classic action films that have been long forgotten in the CGI-obsessed era of film-making.
Luckily, Stallone has re-invented the genre merely by re-uniting the actors who created it. The film is a magnificent culmination of everything you would hope to see in such a re-union, from the humorous and rival camaraderie, all the way to the ultimate show-downs between the film's main characters.
While the action is of course worth seeing on its own, the film in its entirety is overpowering. And probably only something Stallone could have pulled off. The movie goes beyond being just a brazen action film, and I think the audience really appreciated all the intimate (yes, intimate) characterizations that play out in the movie. While Stallone (as the leader) shares a crucial bond with each of his guys, there's also a great team mentality amongst them -- as if they've all been with each other for a long time, have all seen the same shit, and are still somehow trudging on.
Anyways, without spoilers I'd just be going on and on about the movie.
But after seeing this, I couldn't give a shit about Avatar and James Cameron's smurfs fighting over a mineral. (All due respect, Mr. Cameron.) But once in a while, you have to see Sylvester Stallone, Jason Statham, Jet Li and Dolph Lungren beat the shit out people. And for the most part, that was 20-something years ago, so it's about time...
And to think I was almost late because I couldn't find a damn envelope. All worked out according to plan, luckily...
Sincerely,
D.
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His whole head looked like an animatronic puppet in Rambo. Ah well. Sounds good.
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I'm sure this'll be shit.
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Dunno bout the Avatar sledge though. It's action was immaculate. I wanna believe the second guy, but that was a pretty shitty review. At least the guy who had problems with it actually presented something.
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...but then implies that Joss Whedon would write a better script? Puh-lease!
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That second review was terrible; so contrived.
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So the consensus so far is that this is a throwback to the 80's explosion-fests? Result....
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Feb 10, 2010 10:11:04 AM CST
...the first one echoes the sinking feeling I had after...
by flickapoo
...the trailer. The trailer didn't look like a throwback...it looked like a REAL low budget action flick from the 80s...I should know. I was fifteen at the time, and one of my friends had his own video store rental card...the world was our oyster. A bloody, wisecracking oyster that rarely failed failed to oblige with the gratuitous split-second boob shot.
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Feb 10, 2010 10:14:23 AM CST
First reviewer obviously isn't among the target audience...
by grimcicle
I give him props though since he actually stated why he felt the way he did. That's more than can be said for the second review.
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...or something equally womyn-ly. "Girls need rescuing, wah-wah."
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Cos it wasn't a trailer-it was a showreel. Not the finished article by any stretch...
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Can't wait to see it myself. So how long was the scene with Arnie/Sly/Bruce? Would you be able to tell me what Arnie, Bruce and Sly were wearing regarding cloths in the scene? Is Arnie in fit shape? Is it an action comedy or an action thriller?
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The humor in the trailer was stink awful...and the reviewer seems intelligent. The second reviewer sounds like a moron. "For lack of a better term, this movie kicks ass." He's a retard. And then he says, "Stallone has re-invented the genre merely by re-uniting the actors who created it." Really? Simply by filling a film with action stars from the 80's he has re-invented the genre? That's all it took? He added nothing else? The second reviewer ate paint chips as a child.
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and there aren't any reports? Doesn't bode well (as much as I'm looking forward to it)
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Please be more specific than that second review when writing positive reviews to avoid horticultural insults. Ta!
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. . . Please don't be another victim of AICN overhype. PLEASE BE GOOD!!!!
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Actually the past two years, because this started in early 2009 and will no doubt only get worse over the next 6 months. What are they giving you, Harry? Cash? Sex? Donuts?
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She's pushing 40 ( I thinq she's 39 and her bday is July) so you can't blame her if she needs to "hit the gym." We've all seen what happens when an aqtress tries too hard to fit the hollywood mold cough brittany murphy cough.
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...some of our recent talkbacks.We try to be honest Mr. Sly...give you the tough eye of the tiger love every filmmaker needs.
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Woof?
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and lands like a snowflake... gotta love 80s action
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Just like the new Rocky and Rambo.
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Review invalidated right away.
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I was wondering about the "Wolf Man" AICN screening on Monday too, but it's possible there is an embargo on reviews until Friday. I have heard absolutely nothing from that screening. Interesting in its own silence.
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Over The Top.
Lock Up.
Tango and Cash.
Cliffhanger.
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Both actual and emotional.
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Feb 10, 2010 10:57:03 AM CST
just throwin this out... Demolition Man Fuckin Rocks
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
This is a rat burger?
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I hope somebody on the team has a nickname for stallone like Mamba or something.
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..SERIOUSLY, how has that guy been lucky enough to see a number of advance movies?
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Feb 10, 2010 11:03:52 AM CST
"Joss Whedon would have decimated this team by the midway point"
by oceanwang
WTF does that even mean? Like literally? ::dimissive wank motion::
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"You're on TV!!!!!!"
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...a good "guys on a mission" movie any more? No stupid humor, no ridiculous berets, just badassesness and tradecraft all around. The last good "team" movie I saw was Ronin. They don't and can't make movies like that anymore.
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Anyone see it? It's from 98 and it sounds like the movie Stallone tried to make. I will say that it's fantastically, genital-crunchingly bad. Here's a little diddy between two characters about to storm a base: "What are you thinking?" ----- "I... Don't... Know."
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...both seconds."
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Sly is making the movies fun again.
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Just wanted to throw in with the Demolition Man love. Hope Expendables lives up to the hype!
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Everyone on the team was double-crossing each other and making switches and playing multiple sides. The only people still attempting the mission in the end was de Niro and Reno. So in that case it's more a buddies on a mission movie. Except that de Niro kinda had a twist in the end when he reveals that he was still working for the CIA, essentially double-crossing Reno.
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no fear here.
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My wife and I went last night and loved it, as did the rest of the crowd. The movie was Sly's love letter to 80's action. An island drug lord! Cheesy banter during tense moments! Ridiculous explosions! Bad one-liners! Saving the girl! If you go in expecting a genre-redefining movie, you'll be disappointed. But if you go in with some friends, some popcorn, and just looking to have fun, you will.
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you miss the frigging point- you, my non friend, are an idiot.
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I'm in
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"even the default “heroic” lead female is smacked, slapped, dragged, pulled, tortured and nearly raped only to be saved last second by the strong men of the movie." - I'm in
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Feb 10, 2010 11:25:44 AM CST
Fuck I love that 'both seconds of it' line... fuckin wow
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
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It's an homage/throwback to the over-the-top action films that punctuated the 1980s. Criticizing this film for being "too 80s" is like complaining that Airplane! is too much like an Airport parody.
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Whether the team members started double-crossing each other is irrelevant. The members were assembled to do a job, and each had some unique expertise - driver (Sudduth), local (Reno), technician (Skarsgard), weapons (Bean), and ambush logistics (DeNiro).
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Everything he says reads as if this movie is THE EXACT movie I wanted it to be from the trailer.
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He just said he was! He didn't know shit! He was like a flunkie from the SAS who wanted to play with the big boys. And de Niro shuts him down and the hot Irish chick gets rid of him.
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As the movie went along and the team begins fighting against one another rather than continuing with the mission made it something else. It's an awesome flick, just not a team movie.
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Can't wait gonna have a bonner til late summer. Just finished a box set of Arnie's 80's actioner's (is that a word?? Wellit fucking is now!!!!!!) And am well pumped for this cunt. Cummon Sly
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Now they have to get JCVD in the sequel !!
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1. Is it rated R or PG-13?
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Copyright 2010 The_taste_of_love. All Rights Reserved.
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The things the reviewer claims he hates sounds like good stuff to me. He clearly wasn't the intended audience member. Sounds like the BIGGEST ACTION MOVIE OF SUMMER 2010! Sly still has over 7 months to edit what some might not like...but great news is that this film is R rated:)
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see u in a few minutes....
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Then says, "There was no sense of danger the entire length of the film unless you happen to be evil." The fuck does that even MEAN? I respect the points that he's trying to make, but I think he was being a little too clever as he wrote this shit. Comes off like a little prick.
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He just 'gets it'. You know?
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or is it just me?
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was in no danger of dying at any time of the movie unless that character was a bad guy.
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...what clothes Willis, Arnie, and Sly were wearing? WTF?
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Feb 10, 2010 11:59:47 AM CST
So was Brian Tyler's original musical score on it?
by the_genteel_gentile
Or was it temp tracked? Should Stallone now be envious of Kevin Smith for landing Harold Faltermeyer? I mean Harold F. really would have been the cherry on top of Sly's 80's homage.
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From an extremely reliable source - Eric Roberts actually started out playing his role in a very cool, smooth, underplayed evil kind of way, but Stallone badgered him relentlessly to amp it up and push the performance WAY over the top.
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The version we saw was very 'R'. Not quite to the level of the recent Rambo, but up there.
If they tried to cut it to PG-13 it would lose 4-5 of the best moments in the film, so I think we're safe.
As for CG, obviously this was a work-in-progress but it looked very good. It seemed most things were done practical or with miniatures. The only noticeable cg was in a handful of scenes that clearly weren't finished - a tattoo, a couple elements in the airplane sequence, and some additional blood sprays in the many fight sequences. -
Your review sums up how awesome this flick is gonna be..........."""""My wife and I went last night and loved it, as did the rest of the crowd. The movie was Sly's love letter to 80's action. An island drug lord! Cheesy banter during tense moments! Ridiculous explosions! Bad one-liners! Saving the girl! If you go in expecting a genre-redefining movie, you'll be disappointed. But if you go in with some friends, some popcorn, and just looking to have fun, you will. And you'll remember just why we all love those silly action flicks in the first place.""""""
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Yeah, that does make sense. Still has nothing to do with comedy though. So I read that paragraph with a sense of a viewer being objective to laughing. Also, I am a moron.
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Pvthudson, how did the film look cinematography wise? Was it still like the 3 minute clip everyone on AICN talkbacks complained about? How was the BIG opening scene with SLY, BRUCE and ARNIE? How was Arnold's performance? Does Arnie still look good on screen or has he aged big time?
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Give me Rambo 5 or give me nothing!
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THE EXPENDABLES wins hands down. IRON MAN 2, TWILIGHT and THE EXPENDABLES is gonna clean house at the box-office!
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Feb 10, 2010 12:36:45 PM CST
So stay here, be well and Cocteau's an asshole!
by judge dredds fresh undies
Demolition Man is a fucking classic and seriously underrated.
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It reads like a 13-year old trying to sound like a 15-year old, and has nothing interesting to say. The 1st review, while hinting of smugness, actually makes some valid points and gives us something to think about - primarily the point about the film lacking any genuine sense of danger. This definitely was a characteristic of many 80's action flicks, but not a good one.
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I work less than 10 miles from this theater, and usually I get invited to every screening ever, via e-mail.....damn you e-mail! I hope they run another one, I'll have to keep my eyes peeled. This could be "Episode I" bad, but I don't care, I was raised on 80's action and will gladly grab a popcorn, and enjoy!
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Sly is reading this and is taking in the feedback...just like I'm sure he did at the TEST SCREENING. Sly, EXPENDABLES 2 must star you and ARNOLD.
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Feb 10, 2010 12:53:33 PM CST
Would've helped if you showed a clip for us to judge
by watch_the_birdie
But it is hard to get permission for stuff like this, so this was OK.
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7 out of 10. Not bad...
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nothing
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Look at this review www.Fanboyweb.com
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Unfortunately we got stuck in traffic, barely got in, and had to sit in the second row.
DO NOT SEE THIS FILM IN THE SECOND ROW!
While we enjoyed the film, some of the action was hard to follow sitting that close. Nothing struck me as incredibly unique about the overall cinematography, but there were several cool parts which had their own character - a 'thermal vision' action scene, a gritty black-and-white car chase, and a great fight in underground tunnels where each Expendable gets to show off their unique style while setting a new record for broken bones in a single scene.
The Sly/Bruce/Arnold scene was great - very funny and very surreal. Arnold looked about 10 years older than Sly, but not bad. If you are hoping for a scene like Arnold & Carl Weathers' handshake in Predator you'll be disappointed. It's all just dialog, though quite funny. The biggest problem was that the crowd was laughing/cheering so much after a key line that the next several lines were lost. -
... that it is opening in August... which tells me that they know it's NOT blockbuster material... Jan. to March, and August to October are known DUMPING spots......... i just can't believe this is not opening late April to July time slot.... makes me worry.
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June is dumping spot? and July is not? you dont make any sense
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Did I miss this bit of info? To me this will make or break this movie. The first reviewer says there's a scene where 'bad guys are blown to bits' but it sounds like it's not Rambo 4 levels of mess. Which is exactly what I want.
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I never implied Wheden would write a better script (RE: Redigira...), only that he would have killed off a few characters. And to be clear, I love most crazy action films, I am a pretty easy audience for that stuff (even renting The Marine 1 and 2, or 12 rounds, any JCVD movie, etc, etc, etc...) but where many have cheesy, entertaining dialogue..Expendables had just plain difficult to listen to exchanges. I loved Rambo, Liked Rocky Balboa and hope Stallone works some magic over the next few months, but I can only comment on the film as I saw it, not what I hope it will be. I probably got 30+ people to see Rambo that never would have considered it otherwise, but I appreciated the story, and the ability to really get behind Rambo to decimate some truly horrible bad guys. Expendables however is all cartoon, and not good, early WB cartoons.
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Come on, that second review is so obvious a plant that you shouldn't have published it. Which this means the movie is shit. Don't go.
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Yet it won't. Once i saw the trailer for this. I knew my dream action film was ruined.
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where is the A-Team screening?
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I'm glad someone is finally filling this niche. Great action movies are so few and far between anymore.
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Feb 10, 2010 1:50:51 PM CST
Followers of the venezuelan president say this movie was made to
by luis1210
They believe this is USA propaganda to garner an antivenezuelan sentiment that could result in the killing of Hugo Chávez.
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Because it only wants to make me see the movie MORE! This sounds freaking fantastic- "No attempt to get a female audience?" FUCK YEAH!
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Yes, I liked JCVD, but do not consider it a real Action Film. I also like Whedon's work and enjoy movies that would be considered horror, sci-fi, exploitation, thrillers, anime, foreign and much more. One can actually enjoy variety and still be knowledgable. But each film needs to be judged on it's own merits and then you naturally compare to others that have come before it in that specific genre.
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was pretty much what I expected. I predict this will become a cult classic. And wasn't some of the movie not even shot yet when that trailer came out? If there's one thing I can't stand, it's mediocrity... give me bad or so bad it's good or just plain great, but don't be middle of the road, which SO much shit is nowadays. At least this has a style and some personalities in it, even if it is cheesy.
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... I said April to July... those ARE the blockbuster months. I might not have been too clear. but yeah, i fear that an August opening isn't good.
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I can't wait to see this.
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12:42:52 AM If this movie was any more masculine it'd be a giant throbbing dick made out of fists. Fists with steaks squeezing between the fingers. Fingers made out of dicks. With tiny dickfists at the end of each finger, covered by fingernails made of steak. That's the only possible movie that would be made of more pure MAN than The Expendables.
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Well, personally, I think we've had enough of Joss Whedon and all of his acolytes and their ironic meta-critiques of every geek genre. Buffy was great in its day, but I'm way past tired of the self-referential, detached style of storytelling which has seemingly seeped into every genre film.Not every film needs to be an audience-winking self-examination. This sounds like a movie that isn't afraid to be exactly what it is, and fully inhabit its own skin. There's too little of that these days.
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Heya..appreciate your thoughts. I think Van Damme's work in JCVD was strong for what it was, but his last several films are nothing more than average at best. I only wish he accepted a role in the film to get more 80's action stars in. If Arnold, Willis or Lundgren turned Stallone down I would have been equally disappointed and would have mentioned them. Heck, I even would have liked to throw in Dudikoff, Norris and more into this thing. While exiting the theater last night, my girlfriend mentioned that her expectation, based on the cast and retro feel, was that she was going to see more of a well done parody of 80's action flicks as opposed to a straight up duplication of one. Wonder if that might have worked well as long as the action was solid...
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The only way this movie could be cooler is if they used the old GOLAN-GLOBUS logo that meant cool shit or the later NEW WORLD PICTURES. That would be awesome.
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So does the action scenes live up to DIE HARD, RAMBO, TRUE LIES etc........
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Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck
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is a chick and lesbian. and fat.
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WE NEED A FEMALE AUDIENCE!! Give me a break. This movie was made for testosterone filled dumbasses.
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the Terminator music is in it!
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Feb 10, 2010 3:06:53 PM CST
The first reviewer "The Recruiter" clearly doesn't understand
by randomwordrandomword
or appreciate 80's action movies. He criticizes the expendables for having bad humor. Cheesy humor is the point of 80's action movies. It was so bad it was good. Cheesy one-liners delivered from the hero as he kills bad guys as we cheer them on is pretty much the bread and butter of that genre. Some excerpts from Commando, if you will allow me, "Remember, Sully, when I promised to kill you last? I lied."; "I eat Green Berets for breakfast. And right now, I'm very hungry."; "I let him go. (After dropping Sully off a cliff)"; "Don't disturb my friend, he's dead tired."
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Feb 10, 2010 3:09:04 PM CST
I hope we get a slow motion shot of Tony Burton saying "Nooooooo
by smokiegeezer32_psn
Sly will make a good job of this I'm sure. Segal and Van Damme will kick themselves when this gets to $100m.
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No one would be seeing it.
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it's something a ton of people have wanted to see but after we see it we won't care.
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And what's with all the posts of utter wrongness here?
1, Dolph is amazing and will be awesome in this.
2, Joss Whedon owns hard, well usually (not Dollhouse), and even used the Schwarzenegger line "he had to split" in a Buffy episode
3, Freddy Vs Jason is fuckin awesome. PLACE YOUR BETS
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yeah the first review pretty much describes my reaction to the trailer.but anyway,regardless how crap it will turn out to be,i am going to watch it in the cinema.
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I understand better than you I'm sure. I grew up on 80's action movies and fully enjoy cheesy dialogue when it's actually funny and memorable. The ones you mentioned were good examples..unfortunately "Expendables" had no lines I will remember by next week. I hope some are added in..truly. And Happy Boy...I assure you, I am not a chick, a lesbian or fat...and stop trying to be tough over the internet. In real life you would never have the balls to even approach me.
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"Also, it’s worth mentioning that there is absolutely no attempt to get a female audience"
I D.O.N.'.T. G.I.V.E. A. F.U.C.K. A.B.O.U.T. T.H.E. F.E.M.A.L.E. A.U.D.I.E.N.C.E. F.O.R. A.N. A.C.T.I.O.N. F.L.I.C.K., F.O.R. A.N.Y. F.L.I.C.K. I.N. F.A.C.T. That first review has been written by a retard, probably spanking his monkey waiting for the next Twilight or other shit like that. -
He does the HURRR noises for Sly whilst he smokes grass and enjoys the company of ladies.
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"but today I want a bit more and I think the average audience member will too"
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Wow...you used a lot of periods...also seems like you're on one. I have never seen "Twilight"...maybe if David Slade makes a decent 3rd one I'll rent it. And my point with the female audience is: All the female characters were weak...I would have preferred having them be kick ass too. Do you read "The Boys" by Garth Ennis? That is a prime example of a book I believe to be geared towards guys, but has a kick ass female character on the team, actually called "The Female". How about Tarantino's "The Bride" character? Sister Street Fighter? Heck..where was Cynthia Rothrock if you're gonna get some 80's people in this? Why not have ass kicking from both sexes?
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I can't wait for this. The world is ready for Golan Globus(esque) movies again. I'm actually looking forward to all the lame jokes. Fuck lily-livered, pinko, metrosexual action. Sorry, I'm getting carried away!
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You keep describing the movie like I didn't see it. I saw it. I know what happens. Enough already.
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My first reaction to your comment is, why does this film need it? Why can't there be films that are unbalanced? Every film doesn't need to be everything to everyone.Another thought: the last 15 years or so has seen a non-stop barrage of implausibly powerful petite women in film; tiny 20-year-old pixies dropping dozens of massive opponents with nothing more than simple punches and kicks. I'm sick and tired of that cliche and ready for a break from it.But I think your Cynthia Rothrock idea is pretty fantastic. Include a kick-ass woman, but make it plausible--in other words, not a slender 20-year-old model in a catsuit who's somehow also the toughest character of all. That's more ridiculous than any 80s-action-film cliche.
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We all know this to be true.
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..if the movie appeals to a small male target audience, but not enough of a female audience, it won't make enough money for a part 2. I'm not in any way saying a movie should be entirely motivated by money. But if you walk out of the theater thinking the movie kicked ass, wouldn't you likely want part 2? ..and thanks Kevred and DavidCarradine...I do see your points as well and appreciate our geek speek as much as anyone.
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Agreed. This movie has a specific goal: male action heros running away from explosions. Any women, no matter how bad-ass they are, would just be a token addition. Not saying chicks can't kick ass, but a chick in this movie is just not the point.
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I don't get how you guys are copping to being ignorant man-children. The first review was thoughtful and the writer had clearly considered the film for some time before sitting down to write this piece. His comments here also show he's disposed to be a fan of these sorts of films. Why shit all over the guy? It's a bit strange no one responds to the review with "yeah, that's true, these films often feature women being represented as powerless, abused, or near-raped (one of the most common tropes) - I like the genre, but what's up with that?" and instead the comment is "women as pieces of meat? Abused? Raped? Fuck yes, sign me up." It won't kill you to be a little self-reflective, I promise. You might learn something. Do you want to have intelligent discourse here or some 4chan bullshit?
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Stallone's the smartest guy in town and he put his last two movies through the preview process, figured out what needed to be done and got it done. That's what test screenings are for, so let him do his thing. Sounds like it went well enough for an early screening and Sly DOES listen to his audience as well as himself. The man knows what he's doing and I'll be there opening day.
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Except that he can riff on and pay homage to a genre he created.
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After these reviews, I want to see this theatrically even more. :)
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You forgot "Let off some steam, Bennett."
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...were movies for men...THE EXPENDABLES will follow this trend ;)
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Feb 10, 2010 4:46:14 PM CST
Seems like a movie that came out of 1985? That's a negative?
by turd_has_risen_from_the_grave
Sounds like Stallone hit it out of the park here. And those quoted lines are hilarious: "I'd rather die than listen to those jokes again" BAM! That's exactly the kind of clod-hopping and obvious uber-cheese I want to hear; that's the fun of it.I really hope Stallone has a hit here so we can have a series of Expendables movies, all featuring cult 80's action and bit part actors. Get guys like Michael Biehn, Michael Ironside, Lance Henriksen, Bill Duke, Vernon Wells, etc. in the sequels. And of course the main hook for Expendables 2 should be Schwarzengger and Stallone teaming up for a mission at last. Call it "Expendables 2: Brothers in Arms" and have Sly and Arnold on the poster with stogies and holding an M16 and a rocket launcher, massive fucking explosion behind them, helicopters swarming over the horizon, tagline: "Somewhere, Somehow, EVERYONE'S gonna pay!!"
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wrapped up for this, which come to think of it, this sounds right at home on that channel.
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where are the Wolfman reviews? i want to see it, plus i need to roughly gauge how good Captain Amercia will be. see what Johnston's competency level is these days. no reviews...worrying.
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but didn't a lot of 80's action films have bad humor? I liked most of them anyway. I just don't see that as a major obstacle. I mean I love Terminator 2 (okay, that's early 90's) and that had some pretty laughable dialogue in it. And as for not being appealing to women? I have no doubt that the film is somewhat (possibly very) chauvinistic, but, well, how much desire do guys have to see "Valentines Day" or (by and large) "Twilight?" Claiming that a movie doesn't appeal to female audiences isn't really a complaint, it's more of a statement.
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I also was waiting to see Wolfman reviews because I thought it might help gauge the quality of Captain America, but my understanding is that Joe Johnston took over Wolfman a bit late in the game from Mark Romanek so it might not be a safe indicator. Still, Jurassic Park 3 was not a fave of mine either, so I just have to keep fingers crossed...
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Sometimes...
Fuck yeah! Demolition Man! You have been fined 1 credit for a violation of the verbal moralities code... The first review makes me want to watch Commando again. Be well! psi -
i know in my mind that if Wolfman fails me, i'll probably lie to myself and blame the fact that Johnston wasn't there from the get go. for chrissakes, i want the Cap to be realized properly in live action just once! not too much to ask...right? *hears nothing but crickets.
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No thunderlips no Deal
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that movie was cellestially touched or something because it is so simple yet so genious at the same time in every way.
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Feb 10, 2010 5:24:12 PM CST
A cigar a day isn't going to help you keep your youthful glow
by wordage
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"vy doan dey juss caowl heem girhl george an get eet ova wit" hells yes.
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So this would seem to be a hard R film, but there's rumors of PG13 and Sly has avoided the question.
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he will be the toughest and meanest of the bunch.
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Here's a tip: If you're going to poke fun at a movie for being unfunny/poorly written, then you better make sure your 'humor' and 'writing' hits the mark when it criticizes it. Reading your review was lame and unfunny...> <----- talk about irony from an unfunny, boring cunt. Just fuck off already, idiot.
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The cut I saw last night was certainly "R". There were several scenes of bullets and knives doing some decent damage, a standout neck breaking scene, a hand being sliced off and one scene of Stallone stabbing some unfortunate baddie in the neck and twisting the knife around for several seconds. I'd say not quite the level of the latest Rambo, but some decent gore/violence. There is only one target market for this movie right now, and if they make this PG13, they lose the remaining audience so I assume they'll keep it R.
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"The terrorist promptly gets shot and by the end of the movie, I wished I had chosen death over hearing the movie’s “humor” as well. He got off easy. " --- Talk about irony, you unfunny, moronic cunt. Just fuck off already.
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I'm sure you love giving tips to guys, but please keep your small tip to yourself.
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The first reviewer "thoroughly enjoyed the latest Rocky and Rambo movies", and I suspect he's under 25 and is not in the movies target audience at all..
and the second reviewer couldn't write his way out of a paper bag, making me go back and realize that the first reviewer had some good points amidst the rubble of his "I'm so progressive, The 80s, the wimmen, I consider Balboa and Rambo actually films on this Earth" gibberish. If you can use this, call me TOMMY GUNN bitch. -
or we see the face of Sly,while he stabbs the body? R-rated lies in such details in such violent scenes,and not just the scenes themselves.
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You make a good point. The benefit of this type of movie would be greatly extended if it was successful enough to launch further films.I expect most women won't have any tolerance for an unrelenting depiction of female weakness, but if they can either watch it ironically or debate their male companions over it, then it could still be fun for all.I still really like your Rothrock idea. Have strong but plausible women in on the action, in addition to a few sex-object-bimbos thrown in as cowardly, endangered stereotypes. Making the sexy-and-weak stereotype into the butt of jokes for the tough men and women of the cast could please women viewers while still supplying the lowbrow eye candy for men.
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OMG. You really are a fuckwit. "You love giving tips to guys, I'm sure"....wtf? Is that supposed to be insulting? Is it supposed to be funny? Are you hinting at me being a homosexual? :-/ What kind of rabbit hole did your dumb hick mum shit you out of? If you're gonna come here and waste people's time with your 0.5 cents worth of a review, then think before you write. Don't go on and on about how shitty the humor is in the film, and fail miserably in the humor department in your own review. And yes, it does matter, because if you cannot provide any humor yourself, then why should anybody take your opinion on 'humor' seriously? It's like me telling a doctor how to cut a patient up, except I don't know what a scalpel is... Get the point, fuckstick? I'm off, and you should fuck off. Your 'review' = fail.
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I personally don't see why this movie needs to appeal to a female audience. It seems every movie these days is bending over backwards to appeal to a female audience, including most action movies, complete with the 75-lb. waif who delivers a weak roundhouse kick and somehow manages to put the 300-lb. bad guy through a brick wall. And yet, no chick flicks are bending over backwards to be more appealing to men. Did they have a "brother" in the Ya-Ya Sisterhood or the Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants? (Actually, that's not a rhetorical question; I've never seen either one so I don't know, but I'm guessing no.) The Expendables sounds like it is actually a big step towards true gender equality - a movie by and for men - exclusively. And what's wrong with that?
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Thanks for your thoughts. I always appreciate well thought out and productive feedback from someone who's the product of marrying cousins.
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Your final comment just sealed the deal and underlined my point: you really are an idiot. It took you the best of 10 minutes to come up with that? I am a product of incest? Wow...How witty. How poignant. How original. Gosh, we all haven't heard that one before, (especially on the internet). Can you send me some more of your material man? I'd love to pick your wonderful brain apart...seeing as it's just brimming with creativity. Ugh. This is the point where I ignore your dumb, uneducated, insignificant ass. But please, don't ever post on this site again. You wasted 10 minutes of my life, as well as many others'. Monkey.
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Just saying, you could have said "a couple"... alright, I'm being a bitch, I know.
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The Emperor is Pwned...as you guys would say.
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Good call, dude. Nice to see you could pick your little willy up and tag along for some old fashioned 'swordplay'... Go play with it some more...you might eventually get it a little hard... here in 5th grade we call it a stiffy. Retard.
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Jesus Christ, this Emperor dude is really freaking gay. What the F is all that homoerotic shit he's slinging?
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Wordage, you're actually dumber than your hero recruiter. See, let me break it down for you: I was initially insulting recruiter's inability to write a proper review, and he instead decided to use homophobic sexual innuendo...than you come along hoping to tag along and you found your hero in him...So then I make a sexual innuendo in light of his remarks, and suddenly your dumb brain fails to see the connection. In terms of iq, you'd probably hover around the 95- 100 mark, seeing as you fail to see simple connections between contexts. Not a sign of intelligence at all. And now, like your hero, you are also ignored, due to lack of brain power.
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He is wearing no clothes...and is waiting to be mounted by his Uncle.
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As I said, I was in the second row and some scenes were nearly impossible to watch being that close. However it seemed like Sly tried to get a little bit of every type of 80's action piece in there with near-Rambo 4 levels of violence. A car chase/shootout, a plane vs an army, knife fights, one-on-one slugfests (Sly vs Steve Austin was GREAT), martial arts bone-breaking, heavy artillery vs hoards of bad guys, etc. Each Expendable had his own style and each one got plenty of time to show it off. It was like combining the best moments of 5 different 80's movies together.
This will not dethrone True Lies, Die Hard, or Rambo in my opinion, but it is a blast.
Like a lot of us, I was just a bit too young to see most of the best 80's action films in theaters. This is a film that you will want to see with a group of friends. It's like a re-mastered greatest hits album of your favorite band - you may have heard most of it before, but all your favorites are together in one place minus the filler. Oh and there's a lot of blood! -
Feb 10, 2010 7:04:24 PM CST
"Chief, you can take this job, and you can shovel it."
by glenn_the_tool
"Close enough."
love Demolition Man. -
Sly: "So ... you're married."
Summer: "Yeah. Crazy, huh?"
*Screen fills with blood splatter, then Sly's voice is heard in the background*
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You sound like a real badass mofo. Nothing gives more credibility to a reviewer than the old Internet Tough Guy routine. You realize you derailed the talkback on your own review? Because I guess you have so much validation in real life that you have to be tough guy on the Internet. And why would I or anyone be hesitant to approach you IRL? You smell that bad? Seriously though, nothing in your asinine review or your even more asinine posting gives the impression that you're a total brain dead loser IRL. The only question is, are you the 5foot7 130lb variety of Internet poser or the 5'9 240lb of lard variety?
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What The Rescrewter doesn’t understand about Charisma Carpenter is she’s a PIECE O’ ASS. When you’re a man, you see that, you get a hard on and you desire to put that inside her, move it in and out, and withdraw only after you’ve satisfied YOURSELF. I prefer Charisma to Meryl Streep for that sole reason alone. The Recruiter is a sensitive type that uses lotions and tests fragrances on his wrist. There’s no use for him in this world. Go away, you man-lite geek.
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To make a truly good smart team movie, you have to go 70s. If you aremaking an 80s team action movie, you have to put bad humour, nonsensical action and the heros surviving impossible odds and events, and surviging beatings that would kill two oxes. If you want to make a credible, well done, smart team action movie, the 80s is not the way to go.
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The divorce line is actually Arnold's from Total Recall. Sue me if i love my Verhoeven.
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Count me in.
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To my own great suprise, i really liked he latest Rambo. It's the best Rambo movie made after the first, made in the spirit of the first. Which makes it so much better.
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...cup the balls and stroke the shaft.
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I'm kinda looking forward to this but I'm also kinda over this whole retro/nostalgia/remake wave thats been happening in movie land for a while. I want something new!
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Wow, an action movie NOT made for women without romance, crying, hugging and filled with meaningless trivial relationships??
I'm there!! -
But since Expendables appears to be harkening back to 80s catchphrases I thought it was appropriate usage ...
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You're right, but I guess I haven't been following the Expendables threads closely enough to realize that Sly was going for a cheesy, over-the-top 80s homage. Having learned that, I'm much less excited about this movie.
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Public: "Your movie is like a cheesy, over-the-top 80s homage." Sly: "I meant to do that."
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I always suumed, fromthe begining, that THE EXPENDABLES was a cheesy harking back to the 80s action movies of old (gosh, calling 80s movies old!! I'm old!!).for me, the greatest clue was the cast itself, filled to the grills with notorious 80s leading men, with Jason Stratham and Jet Li being the two men odd out (well, Jet Li only became known as an action men in the west in the 90s, anyway, but he has been well known in Asia since the 80s).My big hope for THE EXPANDABLES is that Sly does again what he did to his latest Rambo movie, made all the action stuff more ANALOGIC, if you know my meaning. In this era of abusive CGI, and of Twilight type casts in action movies (JJ Abrams' Tv shows and Star Trek), Sly's movies looks liek a good alternative. and ye,s of course, it's the whole nostalgia deal. Because so far, most nostalgia made movies have not been too good. Hope Sly pull sit off.I'm acutally not much of a fan of 80s action, but i understand the appeal of this movie, and frankly, i'm excited about it. I will taks myself to convince all my friends, who are all now very disastified and disapointed with sly, to bring them to the cinema and get some action cool.
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What ever happened to having just a pure guy's movie. It's sad to say that a guy's movie would not get enough money to greenlight a part 2.
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By that you mean Twilight ?
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Couldn't dig it. Yep.
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Freakin gay.
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Not as gay as people wanting that emo guy with the girly hair from Lost to play Snake Plissken in the EFNY remake.
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Thanks for the laugh....
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Its cool fuckwad, you can still grease up your Rambo doll and send it deep in to your backdoor batcave.
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John? John?
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From the opening shot to the very end, it was clear that this was an homage. It wasn't a spoof like Last Action Hero, since it was played pretty straight, but rather written/shot like an 80's film with a modern budget.
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The movie sounds awesome. And what a funny TB! That tete-a-tete between Recruiter and Emperor was hilarious - you could almost hear Emperor's brain exploding with rage! And Bale bless you Asimov, trying to explain things we already know - and somehow, as always, working a dig at Abrams into the thread! Great stuff, keep it up kids!
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Ummm... I can see that you tried to make a point -- except, you failed. Try again.
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How did my posts suggest in any way that I am in any state of mind besides my usual netural self? I don't get emotional on the internet...
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