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Meet Ken, a new addition to the Toy (Story) box! Updated with a closer look at the world's most famous eunuch!

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here. As I finally traveled back home after 18 continuous days of travel I was asked by the good folks at Disney if we would be interested in posting up the below image. I think they're doing a big countdown to the new Toy Story 3 trailer that appears tomorrow and are giving a bunch of different sites the chance to premiere of a different "new" character. We get Ken, Barbie's beau, dontchaknow. No big surprise at his looks... I mean, it is a Ken Doll. In the flick he's voiced by Batman/Beetlejuice/Mr. Mom himself, Mr. Michael Keaton... and now you get the below pic of Ken hanging with Woody & Buzz! You should probably click the below so you can embiggen and actually see Ken in all his short shorts glory. UPDATED! See even more Ken, not just the group shot! Yes, look! It's there! Enjoy!



If I'm not mistaken ComingSoon.Net will have one of the other images up this AM. There's your Pixar fix for the morning.
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  • Feb. 10, 2010, 5:35 a.m. CST

    Is it wrong that I have never seen "Toy Story 2"?

    by Mr. Profit

    I saw the trailer initially and it was going to be released direct to DVD. Then that changed but I never gave it a chance. Is it really that good?

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 5:35 a.m. CST

    Toy Story 3

    by Galactic

    Is gonna suck. It's gonna be Pixar's first real flop. Count it.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 5:48 a.m. CST

    Mr. Profit

    by Marxeffect

    Yes, yes it is!

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 5:50 a.m. CST

    Mr. Profit

    by abcdefz7

    I think it's better, actually. It has real depth to it, and the best Pixar song so far ("When She Loved Me"). You could make a decent argument that it's their best movie so far, I think.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 5:50 a.m. CST

    Michael Keaton needs to work more

    by seppukudkurosawa

    He had a really unique, awkward screen presence, and I can't think of any other actors who've filled in that void.<p> And if Toy Story had been an STD (straight to DVD), it would have been the best STD ever released! Even better than Universal Soldier: Regeneration.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 5:51 a.m. CST

    er

    by abcdefz7

    "...I think it's better than the first Toy Story" is what I meant. And I liked the first one an awful lot.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 5:51 a.m. CST

    Galactic

    by Mr. Profit

    If Cars didn't sink the Pixar ship, it's going to take something really really stupid to do it. Toy Story 3 will be a hit. Especially if shit like Shrek The 3rd made money. Also, Marx, I will try to watch it soon. I have always been meaning to, but the movie was so highly praised that I was afraid I wouldn't like it due to having unrealistic expectations.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 5:55 a.m. CST

    I forget...

    by Mr. Profit

    Which Disney VHS I was watching, but it was around the time where every Disney classic was getting a sequel and in the coming attractions portion of the VHS, they showed the preview for Toy Story 2 and I lumped it with the rest of the "Return of Jaffar", "Return to the Sea" and "Pocahontas 2" that I didn't give it a fair shot.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 5:58 a.m. CST

    Easy mistake, man

    by seppukudkurosawa

    I remember doing the same when I first heard about Toy Story 2. I was dubious right up until the opening credits, then I actually watched the movie and all my fears were allayed.<p> Been awhile since I saw it, though, so I might see the 3D version next time it's shown here. (That'd be a good first way of seeing it, by the way!).

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 6:02 a.m. CST

    Will there be a joke about him not having a pee pee?

    by Wordage

    !00 bucks says there will...

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 6:06 a.m. CST

    Glad to know Michael Keaton is still getting paychecks

    by ricarleite2

    The Ken doll looks very homoerotic, though. Dressed like a 60 year old woman.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 6:09 a.m. CST

    That picture with Ken is a fake

    by NotVeryFunny

    And a bad one... Pixar would never steep so low.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 6:10 a.m. CST

    Toy Story 2

    by jameskpolk

    was the "Empire Strikes Back" of the Toy Story trilogy.<br><br>Which means the new one will have Ewoks and a repetitive story line.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 6:11 a.m. CST

    Does ken doll have sex with barbie doll?

    by andyny29

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 6:19 a.m. CST

    Mr Profit...

    by wildphantom07

    Are you serious? You lumped it in with all those straight to video mediocrities when its arguably the most critically acclaimed sequel in film history? <p> Can't see how you would have missed that fact if you come to a site like this often, let alone post. <p> Anyway, do yourself a favour and watch it immediately. Your day will be better for it.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 6:19 a.m. CST

    Didn't Mattel deny Pixar to use Barbie in the first one?

    by ELGordo

    So they made her Little Bo Peep?

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 6:32 a.m. CST

    Ken

    by Cobbio

    I'm looking forward to his addition. This character should be funny as hell, since of all the toys you could lampoon, he deserves it the most.<p> And Michael Keaton doing the voicework?<p> Should be great.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 6:33 a.m. CST

    wildphantom07

    by Mr. Profit

    I never was a huge Pixar fan until Finding Nemo. I saw Toy Story and liked it. But I just never got around to seeing Toy Story 2. But then I took my cousin to see Finding Nemo and loved that movie. Then I watched The Incredibles and really loved that movie too. And of course Wall-E was just awesome, and finally I feel Up deserves it's Best Picture nomination. But I never ever even thought to see Toy Story, but I totally will now.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 6:46 a.m. CST

    Oh. My. God.

    by ScaryWaitress

    Toy Story 2 is great cinema, now? Did I slip into an alternate universe somewhere? Shit, and me without my rose-colored glasses... <P> Look, every studio needs a worst movie... Toy Story 2 is Pixar's. This has the stink of The Unholy Disney Moneymaking Machine all over it... 3 is so unnecessary, it's hard to find the words. Truly. <P> For the record, I love Michael Keaton.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 6:49 a.m. CST

    And NotVery... they're making TOY STORY 3.

    by ScaryWaitress

    Dude, they're ALREADY stooping that low. <P> Can someone PLEASE tell me where my FIRST sequel to The INCREDIBLES is???????

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 6:52 a.m. CST

    ScaryWaitress...

    by wildphantom07

    Unnecessary how? <p> Seems about as necessary as a sequel could possibly be to me. <p> The entire nature of a sequel is to cash-in on the success of a formula people bought into the first time around. <p> That Toy Story 2 was not only one of the best sequels ever made, but one of the best films of the 90's makes the prospect of a new instalment even more salivating. <p>

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 7:05 a.m. CST

    Toy Story 2 is awesome

    by Fuck The Napkin

    I love that film so much. It's the perfect sequel - does a lot of the same things Terminator 2 does over the first movie, and is just as satisfying. I was dreading Toy Story 3 originally but now it's a full Pixar movie again I'm well keen - it was great seeing the first two again in 3D recently.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 7:07 a.m. CST

    EssDub

    by Six Demon Bag

    Worst Pixar film has to be cars...and I would argue that the second film was better than the first....will admit (again) that jessies song always gets me

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 7:10 a.m. CST

    You know, I didn't really dig the first one either.

    by ScaryWaitress

    Have to admit. It had its moments, but they hadn't gotten the hang of people yet. <P> So whatevs... if you all love it, fine. I love me some Pixar, but the Toy Story franchise and Cars have ZERO interest for me. I maintain, that we're getting a THIRD Toy Story, and no word on The Incredibles, is really disappointing to me.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 7:11 a.m. CST

    Slow down there wildphantom07..

    by The Dark Shite

    Toy Story 2 is great, but describing it as "arguably the most critically acclaimed sequel in film history" is a bit too strong!<p> So Toy Story 2 has had more critical acclaim than The Godfather part II? <p> Most critically acclaimed animated sequel, sure, but sequel of any kind? Nah.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 7:12 a.m. CST

    And, one of the best films of the 90's? Uh, OK...

    by ScaryWaitress

    your "Best Of" list must be 300 movies long.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 7:27 a.m. CST

    Michael Keaton

    by Cinemanimetal

    is awesome.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 7:32 a.m. CST

    Ess

    by Six Demon Bag

    get yer ass out and play in the snow...<P>oh and INCREDIBLES is the best...by far

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 7:33 a.m. CST

    Fitting ending.

    by OnO

    I got a feeling we get to see Woody's plastic head and Buzz Lightyear sitting their days out in Wall-E's truck only to be rescued by some fat space kids.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 7:33 a.m. CST

    Welcome back, Keaton!

    by Watch_The_Birdie

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 7:34 a.m. CST

    Jessie's Song "When She Loved Me"

    by Abominable Snowcone

    Sung by Sarah McLachlan, makes me want to stick my head in a noose.<p> I bought a couple boxes of Kleenex because I'm VERY excited for TS3. I'm going to spank it until it's red and raw.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 7:37 a.m. CST

    abom..

    by Six Demon Bag

    can you sit in the front row?<P>i dont want any shots to the dome from behind..

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 7:48 a.m. CST

    Cut him a break Wildphantom. The real story is that

    by white_vader

    Originally it WAS going to be a direct-to-video mediocrity. Things weren't going well with it at Pixar, but Disney said "it's good enough for DTV". Pixar then decided that if it wasn't good enough for theatrical release, it wasn't worth doing at all. And basically they scrapped everything and started all over again, and ended up with (yes Scary Waitress, it's pretty much universally acknowledged as) one of the best sequels ever. So settle down dude, it's easy to see how Profit got some wires crossed.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 8 a.m. CST

    white_vader....

    by wildphantom07

    I wasn't having a go at Profit at all!!!<p> Just trying to iterate how great the movie is, and was a little taken aback that this knowledge missed him after over ten years of superlatives. <p> I'm well aware of what was happening with the project, before Lasseter and Pixar sorted it all out. <p> I stand by my comment of it arguably being the most critically acclaimed sequel ever made. It's certainly in the company of the best received.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 8:09 a.m. CST

    i would say one of top 5 best sequels of all time

    by Six Demon Bag

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 8:12 a.m. CST

    The blue ascot/scarf is what makes it

    by terry1978

    Obviously they're playing on the fact that he's always been somewhat metrosexual/girly without outright saying it.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 8:18 a.m. CST

    Betting on Pixar to flop is like betting on Bluto in a fight wit

    by WickedJester

    @Galactic <br><br>To quote South Park: "Dumb, Dumb, Dumb, Dumb, Dumb"

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 8:18 a.m. CST

    *betting on Bluto in a fight with Popeye*

    by WickedJester

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 8:20 a.m. CST

    What about the Peas in a Pod toy?

    by Rubiks Doob

    That's new too- what's that about?

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 8:27 a.m. CST

    This would have beenn great anyway,

    by lotharius3rd1118

    but add Johnny Dangerously in there and we have an instant classic on our hands.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 8:27 a.m. CST

    rotten tomatoes: toy story 2- 100% - godfather 2 - 98%

    by mrgreentheplant

    so i suppose there is a case to be made that it is more critically acclaimed.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 8:27 a.m. CST

    People hating on TS2? Really?

    by WickedJester

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 8:28 a.m. CST

    And Profit,

    by lotharius3rd1118

    That DTV idea was justified. That was Disney's original plan, til they ended up with something awesome. I still don't think that it's better than the first one though.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 8:40 a.m. CST

    Why did Andy have a Little Bo Peep lamp?

    by boogel

    I thought that was odd. A little boy without a single GI Joe or SW figure yet he had a this Bo Peep running around.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 8:45 a.m. CST

    pea pod toy...

    by billyhitchcock1

    ...is a Japanese toy and they are sooooooooooooo addictive. my girlfriends cousin sent her one for xmas. awesome!! http://www.japantrends.com/mugen-edamame-infinite-soybeans-from-bandai-asovision/

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 8:47 a.m. CST

    I believe that was an actual Ken doll...

    by Anna Valerious

    It was a safari-themed series called "Animal Lovin'" from 1988 where each doll had a safari animal with them- http://tinyurl.com/yzks868

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 8:48 a.m. CST

    wildphantom

    by white_vader

    gotcha!

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 8:49 a.m. CST

    Night Shift is my favourate Keaton movie.

    by Human_Bean_Juice_

    Love brokers!!

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 8:53 a.m. CST

    boogel - pretty funny dude

    by white_vader

    maybe it was just on his side of the room to be out of harm's reach of his sister and her cot?! <p> Anyway I love to bits that Pixar tried to put Barbie in TS1 and were rejected by Mattel basically telling them it was beneath them (my God, have you ever seen one of those Barbie cg direct to video things?). And that when Mattel came crawling back to get her in TS2 Pixar made sure she DID do the whole bimbo thing. Arrogant arseholes. Looks like Pixar will have the last laugh with Ken's scarf there, too.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 8:54 a.m. CST

    Pixar already has a massive hit in Avatar...

    by sansara07

    Oh, wait. Avatar isn't a Pixar film? You're kidding me...

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 8:55 a.m. CST

    TS2 : GF2

    by Himbo

    I never cared for TS2. I also felt Godfather2 was overrated, and an inferior movie to the original. Neither sequel is a bad movie, but both suffer from a lack of character growth. Buzz, Woody and Michael Corleone are the same people at frame 1, as they are at the end of the movie. They do interesting things in the movie, but are not fundamentally changed by their adventures. <p> Also, since TS2 features Buzz trying to rescue Woody, the two characters are not together for the majority of the film. And the Buzz/Woody interplay MAKES Toy Story 1. <p> I also give the edge to Terminator over T2. T2 is awesome, but alternates between exposition and a hotdog-eating contest. Original Terminator barely lets you catch your breath. Whale of a movie packed into hour&half.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 8:56 a.m. CST

    Sorry ScaryWaitress

    by D.Vader

    But Toy Stoy 2 is fantastic and deals with some deeper themes than the first one. <p> Also, if you want to see a sequel to The Incredibles, take it up with its creator Brad Bird, not Pixar.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 8:57 a.m. CST

    Anna - ANIMAL LOVIN'?! Are you kidding me?!

    by white_vader

    Oh God, Pixar, please run with that. The comedic/sexual possibilities... <p> Reminds me of the Disney Tarzan I bought where he made a punching/fisting action while the sound of his famous holler played. Comedy gold.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 9:16 a.m. CST

    Himbo, Godfather II is brilliant.

    by lotharius3rd1118

    Dude, how can you say the Michael was not fundamentally changed by the last frame of Godfather Part II. At the beginning, he is trying to go legit and he has all the money and love from his family that he will ever need. In the end, however, he finds himself alone and broken, contemplating while sitting in a chair in a leaf strewn yard how all of his decisions constantly lead to him being an outsider. Also, the thrust of the movie involved the juxtaposition of Michael defending his position while years earlier Vito achieves the position that Michael enjoys. The basic idea it seems is that while Vito and Michael make similar decisions throughout the movie, Vito's cause is to draw people into his orbit, while Michael's is to drive people away.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 9:17 a.m. CST

    i remember the animal lovin' commercials.

    by lotharius3rd1118

    They were pretty hilarious.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 9:27 a.m. CST

    Pixar is better than this

    by RandomWordRandomWord

    Ken doll is just fucking lame. Andy is a closet case for having that in his toy chest

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 9:29 a.m. CST

    Coming Soon image/Peas in the Pod characters

    by seppukudkurosawa

    http://comingsoon.net/nextraimages/peasinapodexclusive1.jpg<p> (Delete the spaces etc. I can't be bothered to use tinyurl...although the official explanation is that it'll eventually have used all the tinyurls in existence and have to be renamed mediumurl.com, so I don't want to contribute to that).

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 9:31 a.m. CST

    @ Rubiks

    by RaggedyMan

    3 Peas in a Pod Toy. http://www.comingsoon.net/ne ws/mo vienews.php?id=63017 Doesnt seem to be a reference to the Japanese Infinite Bean. Looks more like a baby toy to me...Trust me I have wee ones and these are the kinds of things they play with for HOURS on end.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 9:34 a.m. CST

    As if Woody wasn't gay enough.

    by cookylamoo

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 9:34 a.m. CST

    As if Woody wasn't gay enough.

    by cookylamoo

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 9:39 a.m. CST

    That Peas in a Pod toy looks REAL!

    by D.Vader

    I'm looking at the picture over at Coming Attractions, and damn if it doesn't look like a product shot for a real toy!

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 9:39 a.m. CST

    have you ever thought guys...

    by Six Demon Bag

    that KEN MIGHT NOT BE ANDY'S???<P>his sis grew up too and probably played with dolls and if im not mistaken they are rounded up and shipped to a day care--so maybe that is where KEN comes from..<P>get defuck over yerselves...

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 9:51 a.m. CST

    Sorry D.Vader...

    by ScaryWaitress

    but I'm pretty sure I'm allowed to have my own opinion. Your condescension is annoying at best. YOU think it's a great movie: perfectly allowable. Determining that YOUR opinion is the final word: pretensions to grandeur you do not possess. <P> The fact that some people on here agree with you means nothing... people are agreeing with me, too. I saw the TS movies once each on the big screen, and rewatched the 1st one, and that was more than enough for me. Neither of these movies holds the power and depth of Pixar's better works, period. You want to compare either of them to Wall-E? I doubt it. <P>As to TS2 being this masterful sequel: eh. I didn't see anything there so moving that it warranted a reviewing for me... so I would have to disagree. See the difference here? NOT callin' anyone out. Just stating my opinion. <P> Maybe it's time to start having some debates with a few REAL people, instead of just on here? You can disagree with someone without being a supercilious ass.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 9:53 a.m. CST

    I actually think the Ken doll idea is brilliant.

    by ScaryWaitress

    ESPECIALLY having him voiced by Michael Keaton. THAT might get me to watch this... on DVD.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 9:53 a.m. CST

    Godfather Part III would have ruled with time travel

    by Toilet_Terror

    Brando to the Future

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 9:53 a.m. CST

    The concepts of "Ken" and "Woody" just don't go together...

    by FeralAngel

    ...in any way shape or form. Heh. Ken gives me the creeps, and yet...I pity him...

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 9:54 a.m. CST

    Toy Story 2 Pixar's worst?

    by darthvedder81

    That's funny because I still think it's their best (with "Up" as a very close second).

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 9:55 a.m. CST

    Brad Bird actually might make a Incredibles sequel

    by Toilet_Terror

    if his earthquake film really fell apart. <p>Count me un-excited.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 9:55 a.m. CST

    (n)

    by Toilet_Terror

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 9:56 a.m. CST

    I should also clarify: I do not think Pixar will fail.

    by ScaryWaitress

    Lots of people love TS. I'm just not one of them. <P> I DO worry that they're running the risk of Disny-fying this particular theme, though. Disney never learned when to quit beating a dead horse (see, making straight to dvd sequels of the classics. EPIC FAIL.) I worry that Pixar caught that germ from them. But whatevs.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 9:56 a.m. CST

    ESSDUB--ahh hell no you didnt

    by Six Demon Bag

    no fuck that! i need detailed explanations as no why YOU and your so-called friends dont like the early pixar films<P>and i need it by sundown..preferably before ModFam comes on<P>oh yeah..notarize that shit too..

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 9:56 a.m. CST

    Seriously, it's about time Pixar started making FUN movies again

    by FeralAngel

    It's gotten awfully boutique-y of late. I swear, if Pixar does yet another "high-concept" movie and tries to use its good name (earned by fun movies like Monsters Inc., Toy Story and Incredibles) to foist it upon an unsuspecting public, I'm swearing off Disney-related movies altogether and switch my affections to Dreamworks. IMO, when Katzenberg left Disney, a lot of the fun went with him.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 9:57 a.m. CST

    OK, So It's Toy Story 2, then UP?

    by ScaryWaitress

    Wow. Just wow. <P> OK, this time I'm calling someone out, D.Vader. I take it back. <P> So Wall-E is where? And The Incredibles? TOY STORY 2???? Wow. Just wow.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 9:58 a.m. CST

    wildphantom07 - Michael Corleone would like to have a word with

    by Kaiser Soze

    Michael Corleone would like to have a word with you - I like the Toy Story films, plan to pick them both up on Blu-Ray when they hit in a few weeks - but to say TS2 is the most critically acclaimed sequel of all time? I think you're forgetting Godfather 2 (this is for Himbo, too) - Godfather was highly praised and won 3 Oscars including Best Picture. Godfather 2 was even more highly praised and doubled its Oscar total to 6, also including Best Picture. No other film and its sequel have won BP. Also, as much as I love TS2, other sequels hit above it, including Terminator 2, Superman 2, and Empire Strikes Back. But TS 2 is in the top five for sequels that surpassed the originals in every way, and that's not bad company to be in.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 9:58 a.m. CST

    ScaryWaitress

    by MaoMao

    I don't doubt you don't like the TS, you are a waitress which means you lack a soul. Fetch me a sandwitch.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 10:01 a.m. CST

    that said - can't wait for March 23!

    by Kaiser Soze

    we get Toy Story 1 & 2, Yojimbo, and the African Queen all on Blu-Ray, all on the same day! My wallet is going to haaaate me.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 10:05 a.m. CST

    one spit sandwich for Chaimran MaoMao

    by Kaiser Soze

    one spit sandwich for Chaimran MaoMao - comin up! Dude, as someone who worked in the waitstaff/food service industry when I was in college, don't insult the waiter/tress! Or would you like a litre of cola?

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 10:15 a.m. CST

    Sixies: WHY I DIDN'T LOVE TOY STORY.

    by ScaryWaitress

    1. The lighting/mood was too bright, candy colored, for me... and BEFORE YOU GET ALL "But that was the intention!" on me... I say, yeah, OK, but I didn't dig it, is all. I have a toddler... we don't surround her with candy-colored walls and put her in garish clothing. And NO, we aren't JCrew parents either. I just think they could have toned the colors down for a slightly more realistic palette. <P> 2. Tom Hanks overexposure. Look, he was EVERYWHERE for a while, and I was over him. Still kind of am. Not saying he's not a great actor (he is) but hell, I don't like seeing ANYONE that much. <P> 3. The human characters in these were NOT the best. THAT point was made at the time... and it was rumored, among those of us that actually WENT TO ART SCHOOL, thank you, that maybe CGI wasn't going to be able to give us believable human characters, and should stick to stuff like robots... and fish. I am happy to have been proven wrong on this point since- just look at Violet's hair in the Incredibles for proof- but at the time, it was a valid point made by people who know what they're talking about. On subsequent viewings, the animation in the TS films- ESPECIALLY the first one- looks dated. It is my opinion that Pixar moved beyond this world a long time ago... also because <P> 4. The story is a little boring for grown-ups. Pixar's best work is captivating for the whole family... the Toy Story movies are solidly in the kids' camp, with a few bons mots thrown in to make the grown-ups chuckle. Toy Story 2- I will admit- was a little better on this front, with more of a learning-who-you-are and "What is family?" theme... but not by a whole lot. <P> THINGS I DO LIKE ABOUT TOY STORY 1 & 2 <P> 1. The Buzz Lightyear-Woody rivalry and repartée is really sharp, and funny. All of the above-mentioned bons mots, from all of the side characters, were sharp. The writing of the actual dialogue was up to par. <P> 2. The villain in the first movie: that kid was SCARY, and those creatures he made were CREEPY. I'm still surprised they got away with that... and it proved that Pixar is always about pushing the limits to tell a good story. <P> 3. The voice talent they got was really excellent. Joan Cusack for Jesse was particularly great. <P> However, at the end of the debate for me, I just don't have the same attachment to these movies as I do with other Pixar projects. I didn't walk out of TS1 saying "MAN, CAN'T WAIT FOR THE SEQUEL!" and I CERTAINLY didn't say that about TS2. Pixar is wading into Shrek territory here, IMO. I think this might be the first time I felt as though Pixar was letting money concerns trump principle. NOT their normal policy. Time will tell.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 10:17 a.m. CST

    Just 'cause it says a lot about a person

    by seppukudkurosawa

    Here's my Pixar movies ranking in order of favourite to least favourite:<p> Wall-E <p> The Incredibles<p> Toy Story 2<p> Monsters Inc<p> Toy Story<p> Ratatouille<p> Finding Nemo<p> A Bug's Life<p> Up<p> Cars<p> (Yeah, Up wasn't all that hot).

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 10:17 a.m. CST

    Seriously... Chairman Mao is going to call ME out...

    by ScaryWaitress

    telling me a WAITRESS don't have soul? Do you even know who Mao IS?!?!?!? <P> And Kaiser, I don't do spit sandwiches. That's gross. I just make sure that the cook uses the mayo that was sitting out all night.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 10:22 a.m. CST

    OK, seppukudkurosawa. I'll do this.

    by ScaryWaitress

    My List, Favorite to least. Wall-E (also in my Top Ten of all time, btw.) <P> The Incredibles <P> UP <P> Ratatouille <P> Finding Nemo <P> Monsters Inc <P> Toy Story <P> Toy Story 2 <P> Cars <P> A Bug's Life

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 10:22 a.m. CST

    Thanks for the link

    by Emperor_was_a_jerk

    This site is always good for me to check for links to breaking news.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 10:23 a.m. CST

    Toy Story was fukken great

    by Liberal_Warrior

    Wall -E sucked goat shit -bored the fuk out of me

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 10:27 a.m. CST

    are you tellin' me

    by thinboyslim.

    you got an exclusive look at TWO new characters but you only noticed one of them??

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 10:28 a.m. CST

    EssDub

    by Six Demon Bag

    I can see from here it doesn't have a tilting hydaulic body... It is unacceptable. <p>seriously I was just messing with ya.. You didn't have to do that for me... We cool. Every sane man knows that after TS2 pixars quality exponentially grew with each film..cars being the exception

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 10:29 a.m. CST

    Wall-E=Pure cinema

    by seppukudkurosawa

    Rather than being reliant on a constantly unfolding and twisty narrative and quirky dialogue to keep us distracted throughout its runtime, it let the images tell its story. There's this theory that if the sound era happened ten, fifteen years later, the medium of cinema would be lightyears ahead of where it is now. Well, movies like Wall-E act are doing their damndest to push the medium forward in its own right, not just as filmed plays.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 10:29 a.m. CST

    Note to self: proofread

    by seppukudkurosawa

    The editors of this site are contagious.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 10:32 a.m. CST

    Damn ScaryWaitress, when did you turn into such a bitch?

    by D.Vader

    You stated your opinion. I stated mine. No condescension and no insults in my post. But yours was full of both directed at me. Whatever.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 10:33 a.m. CST

    Art School and a Waitress? What a catch!

    by MaoMao

    Do you have any cats?

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 10:34 a.m. CST

    To follow up, Scary, maybe you should take your own advice

    by D.Vader

    "You can disagree with someone without being a supercilious ass."

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 10:39 a.m. CST

    Why not! I'll do it too.

    by lotharius3rd1118

    Monsters, Inc. Wall-E The Incredibles Up Toy Story Ratatouille Finding Nemo Toy Story 2 A Bug's Life Geri's Game (that little short movie that played before A Bug's Life) Cars

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 10:40 a.m. CST

    My list...

    by Mr. Profit

    Wall-E <P>Up <P>Finding Nemo <P>The Incredibles <P>Toy Story <P>Again, I never saw TS2. Monsters Inc and A Bugs Life was too childish for me. Never had interest in Ratatouille, but my friend told me to watch it and unfortunately I fell asleep. And Cars was just OK. But I'm sure if I was a 5 year old boy, I would have probably thought it was the best movie ever. <P>Also Wall-E was great, and I don't get caught up how people say it's heavy handed with it's environment message. I focused more on the themes of loneliness instead. And while UP gets cartoonish when it introduces the villain. Those first 10 minutes feature some of the best character development I have seen all year.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 10:46 a.m. CST

    Mr. Profit:: I loved TS#1, walked out of #2.

    by Flip63Hole

    Don't believe the hype. The sequel suffers from major rehash-itis. The crap with the cowboy dolls is straight retarded, probably two funny/entertaining parts in the hour I sat through. Don't bother with it...

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 10:47 a.m. CST

    Profit,

    by lotharius3rd1118

    do yourself a big favor and watch Monsters, Inc. If you don't tear up at the end then you have no soul. Seriously, it has a pretty unique story, interesting character design, and phenomenal voice acting. Best they've ever done.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 10:50 a.m. CST

    Wow, D... you gots a thin skin there.

    by ScaryWaitress

    Dude, you took that WAY too hard. Time to switch to decaf? It's not like you were pulling any punches, man. Whipping out the b-word? Totally uncalled for... but whatevs. Scrape that shit off your shoes before you come home.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 10:55 a.m. CST

    Hey, Sixies... it was cool.

    by ScaryWaitress

    ...needed to get that off my chest, anyway. You know, to frame the argument.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 10:55 a.m. CST

    In Vader's defense, ScaryWaitress

    by lotharius3rd1118

    You did take the offensive first.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 10:57 a.m. CST

    My Pixar list:

    by Flip63Hole

    1: Finding Nemo 2: The Incredibles 3: Bug's Life (Dave Foley in a 7 Samurai remake? Booyah!) 4: Toy Story 5: Ratatouille The others are DTV fare so not worth putting on the list. Up/TS2/Monsters were equally worthless and Walle should have been a 15 minute short, at most...

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 10:57 a.m. CST

    Sorry EssDubb but you're the one who took it too hard

    by D.Vader

    Apparently calling out a friend by name is equal to insulting them in your neck of the woods. I think this all started bc you completely misunderstood my initial post. Maybe you're in a bad mood, maybe you were looking for someone to disagree with you. <p> But hey, you don't like the b-word? Don't start calling people names and jumping down their throat.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 10:58 a.m. CST

    in unrelated news...

    by alisa

    Embiggen is SO not a word, stop using it right now. (Simpson's references need not reply).

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 11 a.m. CST

    Methinks someone confused D.Vader with White_vader

    by Dirk_The_Amoeba

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 11 a.m. CST

    ScaryWaitress

    by homer thompson

    learn to fucking type

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 11:01 a.m. CST

    D, I give up. Whatevs.

    by ScaryWaitress

    You could use some cooling off of your own. Starting a comment with "Sorry" is condescending, and it pisses me off. But, you keep doing it. That's cool.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 11:04 a.m. CST

    Then maybe you need to switch perceptions, Scary

    by D.Vader

    The "Sorry" was there because I was disagreeing with you. Nowhere in my post did I suggest I was apologizing to you because you're just a little girl who doesn't know any better. <p> But next time, maybe you should just talk to the other side to figure out if you ARE in fact misinterpreting things instead of assuming things and going straight for the throat. <p> And next time, don't accuse the other person of doing something if you are just as guilty yourself. <p>Again, I point to your supercilious ass comment. Why don't you go back and read both my first comment and your first reply, and then maybe you'll see the difference.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 11:04 a.m. CST

    Flip63Hole! Explain!!!

    by lotharius3rd1118

    You must explain your dislike of Monsters, Inc. Do it now or feel my wrath!!! Really, what was wrong with it? And Boo is the most realistic young girl in an animated movie outside of Miyazaki. BTW is your name a Starship Troopers reference.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 11:05 a.m. CST

    lotharius3rd1118

    by Mr. Profit

    How dare you say I have no soul?! Different things affect people in different ways. I really disliked Monster's Inc. But I liked the other movies for other reasons. I didn't tear up during Monster's Inc at all. But I did tear up during Wall-E when I thought he reboot and wasn't the same... Yup talkback I just put myself on blast...

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 11:10 a.m. CST

    Pixar have the most consistent output I have ever seen

    by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks

    Fuck Coppala, Fuck the Berg, Fuck Scorcese. <p> Every Pixar movie is a step forward. After Ratatouille I thought it couldn't get any better. Then came WALLE. It blew my mind. Then came UP. It broke my fucking heart with it's power. PIXAR are the best thing to come out of Hollywood since the eighties.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 11:12 a.m. CST

    Umm... D...

    by ScaryWaitress

    "Nowhere in my post did I suggest I was apologizing to you because you're just a little girl who doesn't know any better. <P> Actually, that's exactly how it read to me. The Sorry, along with what read to me like a correction, and then the attempt to out-geek with the Brad Bird comment... like he was the ONLY ONE responsible for the Incredibles? Um, OK. If you can't see how that read as condescending, then your ire is completely understandable. <P> But next time, maybe you should just talk to the other side to figure out if you ARE in fact misinterpreting things instead of assuming things and going straight for the throat." <P> Hm. your response to my post: "Damn ScaryWaitress, when did you turn into such a bitch?" <P> So, finally, and I quote "And next time, don't accuse the other person of doing something if you are just as guilty yourself." 'Cause you weren't exactly cool-headed here either.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 11:14 a.m. CST

    Profit, I apologize. You soulless bastard!

    by lotharius3rd1118

    Really, you didn't find it touching when Sully gets re-united with Boo years later and you can hear off-screen that she's much older but she still remembers him and was waiting for his return. I bawled like a bitch at that.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 11:15 a.m. CST

    Actually, it took making my list for me to see...

    by ScaryWaitress

    Pixar's early work was groundbreaking for the time, but in the past dew years, it's been responsible for truly great moviemaking, in any format. Interesting, though, how much of their earlier work hasn't stood the test of time in my memory.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 11:18 a.m. CST

    If they've made a deal with Hasbro/Mattel, does that mean...

    by Royston Lodge

    ...we'll see a Transformer or two? Or a G.I. Joe? Or iconic Fisher Price toys that are no longer sold because too many kids choked on them?<p> I think I see in that photo:<p> - a guitar (Guitar Hero?)<p> - Tickle-Me Elmo<p> - Furbee<p> - a Fisher Price phone<p> - My Little Pony

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 11:19 a.m. CST

    Obviously, the new toys...

    by Royston Lodge

    ...are residents of the day care where Andy's toys get send. Yeesh.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 11:20 a.m. CST

    Ha... I guess I am a soulless bastard!

    by Mr. Profit

    Cause that did nothing for me... But I did cry as a kid when the horse died in Neverending Story...

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 11:20 a.m. CST

    You know what new character I'd like to see?

    by Royston Lodge

    AN EDIT BUTTON!!!!!!

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 11:21 a.m. CST

    Tonight on TALKBACK SMACKDOWN!!

    by lotharius3rd1118

    In the left corner, standing over six feet and weighing 200 lbs. Wearing a black cape and helmet, break on through to the dark side with DDDDDDD. VVVAAAAADDERRRRRR!! And in the right corner, standing five-eight and 120 lbs. Sporting an "I'm gonna fuck you up" sneer, a sexy set of granny glasses, and a comfortable pair of shoes! SSSSCCCCCAAAARRRRRYYYYYYY WWWAAIITTREESSSSSSSS!

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 11:22 a.m. CST

    I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A TRASH-TALKING

    by ScaryWaitress

    My Little Pony®. That would be awesome. <P> True story: they were my childhood obsession. I would spend my allowance on them like a whore on crack. I would get a new one, and pet it, and talk to it... I had 96 of the little fuckers before I finally quit that shit. <P> As far as Tickle Me Elmo, no way. I cannot abide that high-pitched voice in another format. I have a two year old. It's a problem.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 11:22 a.m. CST

    Actually, that would make a great TR2N character.

    by Royston Lodge

    Tell me you wouldn't like to see a nerdy program in TR2N named "Edit", who goes around the computer world fixing retarded spelling mistakes.<p> That ... would ... be ... classic.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 11:23 a.m. CST

    lotharius... comfortable shoes are for pussies.

    by ScaryWaitress

    I did my time in 3-inch heels, thank you.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 11:24 a.m. CST

    Now that's a porno I'd like to rent.

    by Royston Lodge

    "Doing Time in 3-Inch Heels"<p> Coming soon from Vivid Video.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 11:24 a.m. CST

    Sacary - you picked the wrong Vader to fuck with

    by Dirk_The_Amoeba

    D.Vader is an honorable sort, it was white_vader who said<p> "(yes Scary Waitress, it's pretty much universally acknowledged as) one of the best sequels ever. So settle down dude, it's easy to see how Profit got some wires crossed."<p>

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 11:24 a.m. CST

    You've gone too far, Profit!

    by lotharius3rd1118

    You should never mention Atreyu's horse sinking slowly in the bog. It's...it's...it's just too much pain! Too...much...PAIN! Talk amongst yourselves.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 11:28 a.m. CST

    Alright, I'm digging the heels.

    by lotharius3rd1118

    But how about the granny glasses. If you do not currently wear oversized eyewear, would you consider the possibility for entertainment's sake?

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 11:28 a.m. CST

    Exactly EssDub, you misinterpreted

    by D.Vader

    And instead of clarifying, you went straight to the offensive. Here's what would normally happen in such a situation amongst TB pals. Let's say it goes like this: <p> BringingSexyBack: "Zooey is the hottest girl ever." <p>D.Vader: "Sorry, BSB, but Natalie Portman is the hottest girl ever." <p> BSB: "What? You're crazy! Here's why I'm right..." <p> And on and on and on. BSB wouldn't lash out at me and call me an ass and then say I'm wrong for thinking MY opinion is fact. Neither would Subs or SixDemonBag or really ANYONE in the Pedalback bc that's how we roll. Its playful banter. You misinterpreted it. Maybe you were looking for a fight, I dunno, but I don't think I deserved the vitriol you spewed at me for my first post. <p> I made the Brad Bird comment bc I see complaints about the lack of an Incredibles sequel all the time. That wasn't directed at you so much as everyone else (though I can see how you took it as directed at you since your name was in the title of the post). Brad Bird stated repeatedly after the movie came out that there would be no sequel unless he came up with a good idea, which suggested its all up to him. If I'm wrong, I'll admit it. But I think he's the one that should be taken to task, not all of Pixar. <p>Now if you wanna do the quotes thing, here we go. <p> "YOU think it's a great movie: perfectly allowable. Determining that YOUR opinion is the final word: pretensions to grandeur you do not possess." <p> Did I say anywhere in my first post that my opinion was the final word? Is it because I didn't say "I THINK Toy Story 2 is fantastic"? Because, I recall you making some "factual" statements in yours like "Toy Story 2 is Pixar's (worst film ever). Sounds like you're projecting. <p> "The fact that some people on here agree with you means nothing... people are agreeing with me, too." <p> Where did this come from? I never said anything about people agreeing with me. Why bring it up? <p> "I didn't see anything there so moving that it warranted a reviewing for me... so I would have to disagree. See the difference here? NOT callin' anyone out. Just stating my opinion." <p> EXACTLY what I was doing. Stating my opinion. I didn't call you out for being wrong. I called you out bc you're a fellow Pedalbacker. There was no malice in it. Its what we do. We disagree all the time in there but no one tosses out insults as soon as someone says something contrary to our way of thinking. No one until you did, that is. <p> "Maybe it's time to start having some debates with a few REAL people, instead of just on here? You can disagree with someone without being a supercilious ass." <p> You say this after accusing me of stating my opinion like its fact. As if you didn't do the same thing in your initial post. <p>"(ME)"Nowhere in my post did I suggest I was apologizing to you because you're just a little girl who doesn't know any better." (YOU)"Actually, that's exactly how it read to me. " <p> Then maybe you are the one with the thin skin. <p>(Me)"But next time, maybe you should just talk to the other side to figure out if you ARE in fact misinterpreting things instead of assuming things and going straight for the throat." (You)"Hm. your response to my post: "Damn ScaryWaitress, when did you turn into such a bitch?"" <p> I don't think I misinterpreted anything when you called me a "supercilious ass". Did I? <p> Look, I'll break it down simply. You said Toy Story 2 sucked. I said ScaryWaitress, Toy Story 2 did no suck (see? we're both guilty of not saying "I think" or "In my opinion..." Then you got really offended and accused me of not allowing other people to have opinions. Then you insulted me and called me names. <p> You can't do that and expect me to not respond in kind. <p> This all began bc of a misunderstanding, but a misunderstanding on your part, not mine. It was never my intention to "correct" you or belittle your opinion, and I still don't understand why you'd take it that way. I just wanted to have a good discussion.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 11:29 a.m. CST

    "Coming soon from Vivid Video"

    by Mr. Profit

    So that means it will be boring and feature a lot of soft lighting, smoke, and slow mo shots that make you lose your "mojo" whenever you get bored and decide to press fast forward?

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 11:31 a.m. CST

    ATREYUUUUUUU!!!!!

    by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks

    flashback { it's dark, wet and my best friend is dying.... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO} <p> 'cough' um, where was I?

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 11:32 a.m. CST

    lotharius3rd1118

    by Mr. Profit

    The horse sinking, along with the death of Optimus Prime were two things that I saw as a child that fucked me up. And the fact that as I got older, I realized Sarah in Labyrinth was schizo for believing she could play with all her Muppet friends in her room when no one was looking.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 11:33 a.m. CST

    Aww crap, you guys are bringing up Atreyu's horse?

    by D.Vader

    That was a guaranteed way to make my younger self cry.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 11:34 a.m. CST

    Thank you Dirk

    by D.Vader

    And lotharius... you're funny =).

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 11:34 a.m. CST

    Coherent Vader... perhaps too coherent

    by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks

    it's Raph <p> Yeah... a little too Raph.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 11:34 a.m. CST

    http://tinyurl.com/ChildhoodTrauma

    by Mr. Profit

    http://tinyurl.com/ChildhoodTrauma

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 11:37 a.m. CST

    Throw E.T. death in the mix and you have depression

    by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks

    my god the eighties were fucking awesome.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 11:37 a.m. CST

    And yet, DVader, you continue with this.

    by ScaryWaitress

    Look, you're the one who blew this COMPLETELY out of proportion. AND brought it home and started shit there. AS MY NEXT FUCKING POST DEMONSTRATED, I was moving on. You felt the need to bitch-slap me in public? Pull a Ron Burgundy on me? Where did you think this was going to go? And, where the fuck do you expect it to go now?

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 11:39 a.m. CST

    Scary Waitress... You've blown a trans-axle

    by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks

    come on ease down. Ease down. Ease Dowwn .... ease down.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 11:42 a.m. CST

    And Dirk? I KNOW D.Vader didn't say that.

    by ScaryWaitress

    I had just said TO D.VADER I wouldn't call anyone out for their opinion, and I was pointing out TO D.VADER that I was doing exactly that. <P> Keep it here, btw. PB rules.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 11:43 a.m. CST

    I only cry if a cat dies onscreen.

    by Royston Lodge

    I like kitty-cats, and I curse all directors that have killed one in their movies.<p> Cuz it always makes me cry.<p> And then I don't get to fuck the chick who came with me to see the movie.<p> Fuckers.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 11:44 a.m. CST

    Does anybody remember that running joke...

    by lotharius3rd1118

    ...from "Dracula: Dead and Loving It." Where Mel Brooks and Leslie Nielson are constantly trying to get the last word in the conversation. I think we're seeing that now.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 11:45 a.m. CST

    BTW: Atreyu looks like a chick.

    by Royston Lodge

    I'm just sayin'.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 11:46 a.m. CST

    Royston,

    by lotharius3rd1118

    don't take your date to go see "Willard." It's not a nookie winner. But cat death can be fun, like when Baby Penguin eats the family cat in "Batman Returns."

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 11:47 a.m. CST

    Scary, how are you not seeing the difference here?

    by D.Vader

    I blew it out of proportion? I'm not the one who STARTED INSULTING AND CALLING NAMES. <p>"You felt the need to bitch-slap me in public?"<p> I was only responding in kind, Scary. If you don't like being insulted, don't start that game. <p> Where should it go from here? It should end. We should move on. But I hope you know that all this started bc of your mistake, and when I stepped out of line, it was only because I was following you.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 11:48 a.m. CST

    NoMoreDirtyJokes...

    by D.Vader

    God, how I love that Raph quote.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 11:49 a.m. CST

    http://tinyurl.com/ycr6atl

    by Royston Lodge

    So say we all.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 11:54 a.m. CST

    HOOOAH!

    by D.Vader

  • Feb. 10, 2010, noon CST

    shit, gotta go to work.

    by lotharius3rd1118

    See you, y'all. It's been fun. Til that next crazy time. BTW, Scary, a simple equation for the future: Granny Glasses + Giving Sexy Eyes to Lotharius = GIGANTIC TIP!

  • Feb. 10, 2010, noon CST

    OK, D.Vader... you're right. I AM actually sorry...

    by ScaryWaitress

    ... for the ass comment. <P> However, you made it really embarrassing for me... so you gots ta know. You don't get to do that, and be friends. <P> Again, truly, I apologize.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 12:04 p.m. CST

    Lotharius: The cat death in Christmas Vacation didn't make me cr

    by Royston Lodge

    So yes, there are exceptions to the rule.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 12:29 p.m. CST

    the horses name was ARTAX...

    by Six Demon Bag

    he had a fucking name...<P>sniff<P>he had a fucking name!

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 12:32 p.m. CST

    Well, he's dog food now.

    by Royston Lodge

    Little known fact: The bottom of the Swamp of Sorrows emptied directed into a Purina factory.<p> True story.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 12:51 p.m. CST

    Toy Story 3 NEEDS a "Ball-In-A-Cup" gag.

    by Royston Lodge

    That video of the "Peas in a pod" totally reminded me of Ball-In-A-Cup.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 12:51 p.m. CST

    Nooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!

    by Six Demon Bag

    That's not true! That's impossible!!!

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 12:55 p.m. CST

    Oh, it's true.

    by Royston Lodge

    My cat snacks on Chewy Artax Bites nightly.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 1:27 p.m. CST

    I glued the zipper of one of my thigh-high boots

    by ScaryWaitress

    ... with genuine Artax glue last night. <P> True story.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 1:36 p.m. CST

    noooooo!!

    by Six Demon Bag

    **runs off into the trees sobbing uncontrollably**

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 1:38 p.m. CST

    EssDub

    by Six Demon Bag

    thigh high huh?<P>i wish i was Artax...

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 1:48 p.m. CST

    ScaryWaitress

    by D.Vader

    I am sorry you misunderstood my comments, and I am sorry if they made things embarrassing for you- that was not my intent- and I do apologize for calling you the b-word. I hope we can move on from this and in the future know that neither of us, when disagreeing in another talkback, is suggesting one is better than the other. Cool?

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 2:04 p.m. CST

    Bugs Life is Pixars worst film by a mile.

    by Engelhast

    It was their first though so it gets a bit of a pass but story and animation wise it totally does not hold a candel to even Cars. Hell even Dreamworks Antz is better IMO.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 2:05 p.m. CST

    Say it ain't so! Pixar sold out?!

    by BlackFreighter

    I thought Pixar had more integrity than this. Mattel Product Placement? This is something Dreamworks would do, putting profits ahead of story. Including Ken & Barbie, and other marketing brands in a Pixar movie is tacky, distracting and tantamount to Dreamworks-esque pop culture references. The Pixar reputation for quality has been lowered in my books.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 2:07 p.m. CST

    Actually, Black...

    by ScaryWaitress

    Using REAL toys in the movie adds a little real-world flavor. I don't see this as selling out... I actually see making a third TS as more of a sellout.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 2:12 p.m. CST

    BlackFreighter

    by Engelhast

    pull your head out. Mr. Potatohead? Slinky-Dog? Hello? Those were real toys? It is a movie about toys for fucks sake..how is putting some well known toys in the movie selling out?

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 2:17 p.m. CST

    ScaryWaitress

    by BlackFreighter

    I bet you're a big fan of Transformers and GI Joe, because they were based on real toys. Allowing outside companies and executives into the storytelling and creative process destroys creative integrity. And besides Pixar has proven itself already in creating a realistic world with "real-world flavor" from the ground up in the Incredibles. Those were original superheroes, and did not have to rely on external corporate intellectual property to enhance it.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 2:21 p.m. CST

    It's just shady for Pixar having to schedule meetings with

    by BlackFreighter

    Mattel and Hasbro, who have no business making movies. It's garbage that they're trying to sell us movies based on Battleship, Candyland, and other toy-brand based movies.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 2:24 p.m. CST

    BlackFreighter

    by Engelhast

    Where are you getting this information from dickhole? I am sure Pixar laid out some ground rules with the toy companies and said "hey if you want to be involved we would love to have you, but your not calling any shots here." Of course I am pulling that out of my ass every bit as much as you are by saying that the toy companies are pulling the strings.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 2:32 p.m. CST

    Black Freighter....

    by D.Vader

    I don't think having a hero that is super strong, one who is super stretchy, one who turns invisible, and one who can run really fast can *really* qualify as "original superheroes". Just sayin'.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 2:39 p.m. CST

    WOW.... can I, like, just get a hug..

    by VADER77

    ... lol... I love the smack talking, bitchslapping style we have created here at th TB's... i have no problem arguing with D. Vader, flickapoo, asimov or any of you, and sometimes it gets heated, BUT, i hold no malice to any of 'em, and that's with calling 'em (and being called) bitches, cunts dickholes and everything else. that's part of the fun...... unless of course were talking bout JettL93.... cause that is a fucking twat. XD

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 2:41 p.m. CST

    black

    by Six Demon Bag

    dont be a jackass...not once did any character conduct themselves as product placement. <P>this is far and away from anyhting dreamworks does, which shills to the kids and begs youbuy the pop music soundtrack and action dolls...<P>pixar on the other hand is making movies that are timeless...in fact you could say that they are using dated toys to convey that timelessness..it could take place in the 50s, 70s, or 90s<P>and not once has pixar stopped the plot or had a plot revolve around buying something...<P>they made an entire film about anti consumeris,, fer crissakes!

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 2:41 p.m. CST

    and i love "The Incredibles"...

    by VADER77

    .. it's becoming a Thanksgiving tradition in the states now. Kinda like "Wizard of OZ". The score alone is fantastic.!!!

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 2:44 p.m. CST

    and being an action figure/ toy

    by VADER77

    collector, I LOVED the punches and kicks they were dishing out in "Toy Story 2".. that was classic.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 2:48 p.m. CST

    "Wow. Just wow."

    by slone13

    Who the fuck talks like that? And how in the hell did it ever become a phrase people use ad nauseum on talkbacks and message boards?

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 2:49 p.m. CST

    Typical AICN -- say something slightly critical about a beloved

    by BlackFreighter

    and worshipped studio like Pixar, and you get fucking attacked. Ken and Barbie SHOULD not be in Toy Story. And Hasbro/Mattel/ParkerBros should not be in the movie business.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 2:51 p.m. CST

    It's people like AICN talkbackers who go to movies

    by BlackFreighter

    like Transformers, GI Joe, Battleship, Candyland

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 2:56 p.m. CST

    black

    by Six Demon Bag

    i dont remember seeing MATTEL in the opening credits for the films from pixar...so if you wanna keep comparing GI JOE and TF to original films from pixar...be my guest...youre not gonna get far...<P>another thing, as scary said, it adds to the film by giving the audience somehting they can relate to, and everytime i see a BRAND X label on a can thats obviously COKE--thats FUCKING DISTRACTING!

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 2:58 p.m. CST

    Okay...

    by Rebeck2

    Now Scary Waitress and D. Vader have kissed and made up, someone can jump on me for my opinion. I'm so tired of seeing CARS slagged off. People just say it as a matter of course, like we all agree. Well, I don't. CARS is great fun, with a wonderful message and without a doubt the most visually gorgeous of all the Pixar films, IMO. If I were to pick Pixar movies that let me down they would be the more, again IMO, shrill and kiddie-ish ones like MONSTERS INC and FINDING NEMO that just don't resonate with me in any way. Even UP was a bit of a disappointment after the first act. Besides the TOY STORY movies, I love THE INCREDIBLES, RATATOUILLE, and WALL-E the most - all of which really stretched the boundaries of animation and were remarkably adult. CARS is right up there. It has a bit of a hectic first act, but that's important as contrast to Radiator Springs and once it's there, it has me. Yes, you have to sort of turn off your logic on the whole world-of-cars thing, but somehow they make it all work. Anyway, my opinion. The fact that nobody can really deny is that Pixar has one of the most amazing runs of top quality movies in film history.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 2:59 p.m. CST

    My applogies to BlackFreighter.

    by Engelhast

    I am having a bit of a bad day and I totally use the term dickhole with all due respect, plus you were being kind of a dickhole about having some kind of inside incite as to how this deal between Pixar and the toy companies went down which I very much doubt is the case.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 3:01 p.m. CST

    I broke Six Demon Bag's psyche!

    by Royston Lodge

    That was disturbingly fun.<p> For my next trick, I think I'll go find a baby, steal it's candy, and tell it that Santa Claus doesn't exist.<p> And then I'll eat pudding.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 3:02 p.m. CST

    fuck that! hes a dickhole

    by Six Demon Bag

    for comparing three critically reviled films to a studio that has yet to make an AVERAGE film...

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 3:03 p.m. CST

    Right on Vader77

    by D.Vader

    You dick =P.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 3:03 p.m. CST

    I'd love a case "Beer", like they had on Roseanne.

    by Royston Lodge

    The cans of "Beer" were similar to Coors, but they weren't Coors.<p> Almost as good as Dharma Food:<p> http://tinyurl.com/yh82qr8

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 3:03 p.m. CST

    wait. huh?

    by Six Demon Bag

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 3:05 p.m. CST

    BlackFreighter...

    by D.Vader

    I'm not sure how much pull you think Hasbro/Mattel has when it comes to Pixar making their movies, but I'm sure its much less than what you are thinking. <p> After all, I don't think it was Hasbro/Mattel's idea to make Barbie a bimbo in Toy Story 2. Pretty sure that was all Pixar. You don't have much to worry about here, friendo.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 3:05 p.m. CST

    Engelhast

    by Rebeck2

    BUB'S LIFE is their first film?? I think you're a little confused. Besides, I think that one is underrated as well. It's ten times better than that crap ANTZ.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 3:06 p.m. CST

    oh i gots it...

    by Six Demon Bag

    but EssDub brought me back with thoughts of thigh-highs

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 3:06 p.m. CST

    Uhm, BUG's LIFE...

    by Rebeck2

    Not BUB'S...bub.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 3:06 p.m. CST

    I think A Bub's Life was a Scorsese movie.

    by Royston Lodge

    Wakka wakka!

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 3:07 p.m. CST

    bugs life is 3 amigos!!!

    by Six Demon Bag

    whats not to like??

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 3:09 p.m. CST

    idonotseekabanning: I already pointed a few out.

    by Royston Lodge

    I've done my bit for King and Country.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 3:12 p.m. CST

    Bugs Life

    by Engelhast

    Right, right I am totally wrong about it being their first full length film. I think it was the first idea they had tossed around though. I could be mistaken about that also. God I am a total dickhole. I stand by my personal belief that Antz was the better movie or the two however. The animation was not as pretty but the comedy and voices were both much better than Bugs Life .

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 3:13 p.m. CST

    I also preferred Antz.

    by Royston Lodge

    How can you not love an animated Woody Allen?

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 3:14 p.m. CST

    ...unless you don't love a live action Woody Allen...

    by Royston Lodge

    ...of course.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 3:23 p.m. CST

    I Love Woody Allen

    by Rebeck2

    Maybe that's why I expected more from the film. It was a great premise, and obviously tons of celebrity voices, but just didn't work for me - and I found the LOOK of the picture really ugly. I guess I prefer my ants in unrealistic pastel colors, LOL.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 3:35 p.m. CST

    White Vader. RE: background of TS2

    by Geomancer21

    According to Lasseter on the commentary it was the other way around. He said It was PLANNED as a DTV movie. falling in line with disney's recent (at the time) trend of DTV sequels. but the film turned out so good disney decided to give it a theatrical release. The only reworking that was done was to boost the quality of the animation (IE resolution of the animated models) for the big screen. thats the only thing that was done to the film.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 3:36 p.m. CST

    right back atcha D.

    by VADER77

    .... with some shit on top. XD

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 3:50 p.m. CST

    Antz was fantastic

    by Nasty In The Pasty

    "I feel physically inadequate, my whole life...I've barely been able to life more than ten times my own body weight."

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 3:56 p.m. CST

    Why's he dressed like Mr. Furley?

    by Immortal_Fish

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 3:57 p.m. CST

    That Ken doll came from Tom Cruise' house...

    by Monkey_King

    he ran away due to continuous brainwashing from the Cult of Scientology and a deep dark secret in Tommy's closet

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 4 p.m. CST

    Kung Fu Panda is more entertaining than every Pixar movie.

    by TheImpressionist

    The Tai Lung escape sequence from a Chinese prison, is better than anything Pixar has committed to film. Prove me wrong.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 4:03 p.m. CST

    I liked the big lipped ant

    by Six Demon Bag

    Voiced by d glovet

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 4:12 p.m. CST

    I wish Dreamworks would have kept on..

    by Engelhast

    mirroring what Pixar was doing at the time. Toy Story - Toyz Tale Finding Nemo – Lost Gill Cars – Automobilez Monsters Inc – Scary Creaturez LTD. The Incredibles – The Amazings.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 4:35 p.m. CST

    TheImpressionist

    by Rebeck2

    There's no proving it, you're just wrong. LOL. No...I think there's one incredible section in KUNG-FU PANDA that stands above anything else Dreamworks ever did. Everyone knows what it is. The Dumpling training. Great stuff. But as a whole, the movie just misses out on being great.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 4:40 p.m. CST

    Black... dude, you assume a LOT.

    by ScaryWaitress

    GI JOE is one of the worst movies EVER MADE... and I truly, madly, deeply despise the Transformer movies. You're just talkin' shit there. <P> As Engelhast eloquently pointed out, they were already using recognized toys in the first two... and they didn't come off as product-placement at all. <P> Seriously... Hasbro and Mattel are DYING COMPANIES. It's not like they have a whole lot of power these days. You give them too much credit.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 4:42 p.m. CST

    @ Rebeck2 -- Kung Fu Panda is more entertaining than PIxar

    by TheImpressionist

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 4:42 p.m. CST

    And slone13...

    by ScaryWaitress

    Ppfft. Weak. Cute try, though.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 4:44 p.m. CST

    Antz was my favorite Woody Allen movie.

    by ScaryWaitress

    I truly cannot stand that man. <P> And for the record, I never could... his creepy personal life aside.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 4:46 p.m. CST

    Unfortunately all the Pixar sheep here are blind to see

    by TheImpressionist

    the sentimental pablum that Jobs, Lasseter, and Iger are selling you. Enjoy your milk & cookies and kool-aid man-boys.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 4:49 p.m. CST

    Lemme guess...

    by BizarroJerry

    Ken's gonna be kind of "effeminate", aka gay? Seems like such a tired obvious joke, but the way he looks there, I'm afraid that's where they'll go with it.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 4:51 p.m. CST

    Kung Fu Panda > Wall-E

    by HalJordanSuperstar

    If Wall-E didn't have the Pixar halo over it, it wouldn't be so well-liked. It started out well, but once the humans came along, it became overly preachy and virtually unwatchable. People dismiss Kung-Fu Panda simply because it's Dreamworks. KFP has a stronger message, more heart, and it's more fun and more entertaining.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 5:09 p.m. CST

    Hasbro...

    by BizarroJerry

    I don't think it's a dying company at all. I just saw a story that their profits are up a bit thanks to their "boy toys". In other words, Transformers, G.I. Joe, Star Wars, etc.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 5:35 p.m. CST

    HalJordan- disagreed

    by D.Vader

    Wall-E would still be considered a great film, even without the Pixar banner. I personally think it's got more heart than KFP (and from a robot to boot) and is the stronger film. To each his own, though. <p> (But overly preachy? Really? Maybe if you're anti-environment already you'd see it that way, but it's a fairly common trope of dystopian fiction to have man destroy their environment).

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 5:56 p.m. CST

    Wall-E = Overrated imo

    by Galactic

    Good movie, not great. Started off great but once it introduced the humans it moved into "good" territory. The best Pixar movies in order: Ratatouille Toy Story 2 Up A Bugs Life The Incredibles Finding Nemo Wall-E Toy Story Monsters Inc Cars This is imo of course. You could disagree with me. You'd be wrong, but you COULD.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 6 p.m. CST

    Pixar and Christopher Nolan have my money.

    by ricarleite2

    No matter what. Even if either produces a film called SHITTY COCKSUCKERS and get horrible reviews, I will be there on opening night. I trust them. Of course, one bad move could end my trust (I'm looking at you, Charlie Kaufman).

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 6:04 p.m. CST

    My list, from the best

    by ricarleite2

    Ratatouille, WALL-E, Finding Nemo, Up (would be #1 if it wasnt for fucking talking dogs), Toy Story 2, Incredibles, Monsters Inc, Toy Story, Cars. Never seen Bugs Life, I was told it's not that good, so perhaps it could be either above or below Cars.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 6:59 p.m. CST

    Wall-E = Overrated well said

    by ominus

    Kung Fu Panda deserved the oscar more.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 7:40 p.m. CST

    LOL they intentionally made him so blatantly gay

    by TheWaqman

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 7:41 p.m. CST

    Ratatouille, Wall E and Finding Nemo are the best

    by TheWaqman

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 7:51 p.m. CST

    BlackFreighter et al--

    by BlueDjinn1

    Mr. Potato Head®, Slinky® and Etch-a-Sketch® are all popular brand-name toys. I don't hear anyone complaining about them being in the first movie. As for Barbie, it would have made absolutely no sense for her to be in the first movie, since most of it took place inside an 8-year old boys' bedroom. Yes, some little boys do play with girlie toys as well if they happen to be around, but I can't imagine his parents would ever have bought a Barbie in the first place (Andy has a kid sister, but she was supposed to only be 2 or 3 in the first movie--too young for a Barbie). It didn't really make sense for Bo Peep to be there either, which is why I presume they didn't include her in the second movie (I don't think).

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 7:54 p.m. CST

    So Ken is Gay

    by corplhicks

    Great ! Can't wait for the backlash when the movie comes out.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 7:54 p.m. CST

    Whoops, I stand corrected...

    by BlueDjinn1

    Just checked, turns out Bo Peep was all over Toy Story 2 as well (been forever since I've watched it). She's Molly's toy, used by Andy as the "damsel in distress". My point about other brand-name toys is still valid, though.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 7:55 p.m. CST

    And Wall-E was very overrated

    by corplhicks

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 7:55 p.m. CST

    You know, even PIXAR's shit stinks

    by corplhicks

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 8:34 p.m. CST

    Keaton, Kline and Goldblum

    by Jaka

    Michael, Kevin and Jeff, that is. All three of 'em need to work more. It's like Hollyweird forgot they exist.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 8:37 p.m. CST

    I actually think Up is a little overrated...

    by Jaka

    ..but love Wall-E almost beyond words. Also agree that Ratatouille is unexpectedly great. Finding Nemo is still my favorite, though. After it and Wall-E I think I'd have to go with TS2. Then all the rest of them are kind of just the Pixar Lump for me. I dig 'em. I dig all their films. But they don't always seem to stand out to me as much to some other people. I really didn't enjoy Cars OR The Incredibles all that much. Fun fact for the day! Did you know Cars is actually the most successfully merchandised Pixar movie? That's why they're making a sequel.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 9:07 p.m. CST

    Wall-E and Up overrated

    by batzilla

    BIG time. TS1 & 2 are great. The Incredibles... okay. Cars was lame. Didn't see Ratatouille...yet.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 9:13 p.m. CST

    batz

    by Jaka

    Not arguing personal tastes, Wall-E is just my kinda thing. I can't even compare the feelings I have for (and while watching) that film to Up because they're just not the same. Up had it's moments, but I totally agree that it's overrated beyond belief. Wall-E, on the other hand leaves me a happy contented blob of humanity each time I watch it. And I love Finding Nemo more than that! Random thought; I wonder why nobody ever mentions Bug's Life? Oh, and Ratatouille has the Pixar magic for sure. It shouldn't work. In concept it makes no damn sense. But in execution it's a near perfect film.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 9:49 p.m. CST

    Up is overrated because it nuked the fridge

    by TheWaqman

    after the first 15 minutes. I think Thomas McCarthy was the one responsible for that fantastic opening. The other two....they probably threw in the talking dogs and the down syndrome kid.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 11:29 p.m. CST

    Actually I think Ken is supposed to be macho

    by D.Vader

    A friend saw some clips at Comic-Con and told me Ken is just a man trying to come to terms with the fact that he's actually a girl's toy.

  • Feb. 10, 2010, 11:29 p.m. CST

    Actually I think Ken is supposed to be macho

    by D.Vader

    A friend saw some clips at Comic-Con and told me Ken is just a man trying to come to terms with the fact that he's actually a girl's toy.

  • Feb. 11, 2010, 12:48 a.m. CST

    D.Vader...ummm....

    by Jaka

    I haven't seen clips, so that may very well be. But the Ken in the pic is wearing baby blue loafers, a leopard print shirt with the top buttons open and a baby blue scarf tied around his neck. Jus' sayin'.

  • Feb. 11, 2010, 12:52 a.m. CST

    Ken and A Bug's Life

    by white_vader

    Is Ken the Ladybug of this picture?

  • Feb. 11, 2010, 12:59 a.m. CST

    Geomancer - zuh?

    by white_vader

    Dude, when did I ever say it didn't start out/wasn't originally planned as DTV? The tiny bit at the end of the TS2 commentary skims it but doesn't tell the whole story at all. And apologies, I wrote the wrong word in a crucial spot. With the whole "good enough for DTV" I meant theatrical, not DTV. Disney were happy to release it DTV, then they were happy to release it theatrically. Pixar were not, and that's where the story really started. <p> I wasn't clear enough in relaying that their crisis of conscience came about half way through the process when they saw it wasn't working and they decided that no, if it WASN'T good enough not just for a cinematic release but in general as a sequel to their baby then they shouldn't be doing it at all. Disney thought it was, they didn't. So they went back to Disney and told them they needed to go the whole hog or bust. Actually, not they, but Lasseter, who had not been on as director before that stage. And yes they WERE in full production, not just "planning", they were doing full animation already. They DID go back to the drawing board (literally), rewrote almost everything and the following months are still regarded as the most insane period work-wise Pixar have ever had. It started with a famous/an infamous weekend where they tore the thing to pieces and boarded a whole new approach, which (my assumption here) is probably why there are so many elements rejected from Toy Story 1 in there, as well as the film mirroring the first or cleanly reversing things from it in so many ways. As an aside, the thing of self-aware Buzz vs Deranged Buzz was not a huge and central part of the story originally. Rather than the whole clone thing, Buzz just had a quick moment with another Buzz and sorta went on his way. Just a gag basically. <p> You sorta contradict yourself with the "rezzing up" too. If you meant by "planned" that they hadn't got into full production, then it doesn't make sense to say they only changed things by re-rendering as that's the LAST thing to happen on the film (you don't necessarily even have to wait 'til then to score it if the edit is locked down with still partial pre-vis). The way you put the rezzing up thing on the end of Lasseter's bit also implies he said those words, and he never did. Maybe I'm misinterpreting, but what you said felt funny to me. <p> I think there was like a year between the start of the project until Lasseter coming in and taking over. So I guess it's a bit like you said. Originally intended as a DTV. Then Disney thought it was good enough to release Theatrically. Pixar didn't think it was good enough to release either way. Pixar overhauled the whole thing and made the initial release date anyway. Their way. With respect I think you missed the meat of it and misrepresented the second/main bit, and that's the biggest part of the (behind the scenes) story in my opinion. A third film where the assets like characters and sets were in place but the story extensively rewritten was Ratatouille. <p> Maybe you're getting your stories mixed up a bit as it was many years ago and the one film they DID re-render after the fact was the previous Bug's Life, where they actually re-blocked for a 4:3 composition then rendered everything out again as pan-and-scan was such a big part of the video market back then. Can't remember if the DVD has both versions on it, but basically it's one of the few non-OAR releases where the picture isn't compromised by being re-framed for old fashioned tellies. Bug's Life in it's original aspect ration was Pixar's 1st scope film, so you lose roughly half the picture when cropping for 4:3. <p> The funny thing is that a similar crisis happened on the first Toy Story. Not as extreme, but they were trying to do things the supposed "right way" they thought Disney suits wanted and it wasn't coming together then either. They overhauled the writing on the first film after that too. But at least on that one, it was earlier in the process. As far as Disney meddling, they had the right to make suggestions, but not final veto. To that end there's a cynical joke in The Incredibles where they make a Disney Exec (Schumacher, who's one of those execs who can tell you a million reasons why something WON'T work or can't be done but) an Old Woman. That Brad Bird... <p> Sorry to be so long-winded man and I'm not trying to school you or anything, and I apologise if my earlier post wasn't as articulate as it might have been. But yeah I don't think there's actually much of the real nuts-and-bolts progression of TS2 on the discs as I recall. If you're interested to get into that whole thing, there's a documentary called The Pixar Story by Leslie Iwerks that's pretty great. Not sure if it's on the Wall-E dvd but it is on the Blu-ray. So I hope I was clearer this time. I was certainly more verbose! <p> Cheers.

  • Feb. 11, 2010, 1:05 a.m. CST

    Why something WON'T work or can't be done but -

    by white_vader

    not why something CAN. It takes a lot more guts to be positive than dismissive. That's what I meant to say there. Also, "ratio", not "ration"! Sounds like some 50s sci-fi expression!

  • Feb. 11, 2010, 5:55 a.m. CST

    I see they went with "ALTERNATIVE LIFESTYLE" Ken

    by SeXX ED

  • Feb. 11, 2010, 9:08 a.m. CST

    Jaka, yeah bc that's how the companies MAKE him

    by D.Vader

    Doesn't mean that was his choice or that's how he'll act. My friend said the comic-con clip was like a documentary following him around. Ken gets upset when the interviewers keep insinuating he's a toy for girls. But Ken does admit Barbie makes him clean the house and have dinner waiting for her, bc she's always out doing her different jobs depending on the outfit.

  • Feb. 11, 2010, 9:54 a.m. CST

    D.Vader

    by white_vader

    So he's uh, "Mr Mom"? ;P

  • Feb. 11, 2010, 10:18 a.m. CST

    BoPeep

    by yodaismyhomie

    If I remember correctly, Bo Peep was part of a lamp...and I think, but may be wrong, that the crib was in Andy's room and the lamp should have been by the crib. That's where she was coming from. It wasn't bought for Andy, but for Molly.

  • Feb. 11, 2010, 10:31 a.m. CST

    That's a pretty funny idea.

    by Royston Lodge

    Ken is all bitter and grumpy cuz he has to stay home while his top-heavy wife is out practising paediatric medicine in space with a clothing budget greater than the GDP of Switzerland.<p> That, and he's a eunuch.

  • Feb. 11, 2010, 10:32 a.m. CST

    Maybe that's why they cast him, White Vader!

    by D.Vader

  • Feb. 11, 2010, 10:43 a.m. CST

    FUCK YES!!!

    by Series7

    Edamame!!!! I've ALREADY GOT THAT KEYCHAIN!!!

  • Feb. 11, 2010, 10:45 a.m. CST

    I've already called this

    by Series7

    As the best movie of ought ten. Ohh and I guess its Peas in a pod. Whatever close enough.

  • Feb. 11, 2010, 12:08 p.m. CST

    There is not a bad Pixar in the bunch

    by freedunit01

    For all the ranting and raving back and forth on if TS2 (and most likely TS3) are great . . . better than the original ... or just cashing in on a craze along with which Pixar pics are the best/worst it occurs to me everyone here is truly splitting hairs finer than the ones in front or Violet Carr's eyes. The reason they all work well -- on at least some level is that those crazy kids working over the ridge from the Lucas ranch start with a brilliant heart feld story idea and then use animation to tell it in a cute-for-the-kids, stunningly visual-format-for-all. (This is why I still have faith that Andrew Staton might pull off the live-action John Carter of Mars film). It's the characters that make them work (from the voice acting, the expressions, and the situations they are in). And if that makes me a kool-aid candidate for a modern cinematic Guyana, sign me up!!! I'm glad to see some of the earlier ranters were able to shake hands and walk away, but for anyone who doesn't like TS2 'you have my pity' and for anyone who can watch Cars and then say it is awful -- you are one of the folks that continues to drive that 6-lane highway only because you have someplace else to be; you are exactly the ones that need to pull off, enjoy the scenery and remember that the journey is just as important as the destination. As for myself, I'm happier that a tornado in a trailer park! that they are doing TS3 and from what I've seen so far, they are doing it right!! But then, this is Pixar;)

  • Feb. 11, 2010, 12:47 p.m. CST

    Michael Keaton as Ken?

    by immortal_pirate

    Kick Ass, maaaaan! I love the Toy Story series (i'm 25 and love it...what of it?) and I'm uber stoked that the third one is coming out soon. Pixar's history has been spot on since Toy Story 1...I have nothing but high hopes for the third installment.

  • Feb. 11, 2010, 12:49 p.m. CST

    Can't wait

    by Jabroni

    1st one, amazing, second rare sequel that beats the original. I am 37 and can't wait to see this, I have introduced the series to my 4 year old son, so one can only hope we'll be in the theater to see the 3rd as a family. Pixar does no wrong and I do not expect this to be any different. Pixar, Hanks, and Allen RULE!

  • Feb. 11, 2010, 2:20 p.m. CST

    How is it that Family Guy has never parodied...

    by Royston Lodge

    ... Artax drowning in the Swamp of Sadness?<p> I bet there would be mass geek suicides across the nation.

  • Feb. 11, 2010, 3:30 p.m. CST

    D.Vader

    by Jaka

    Well, I never played with Barbies, so I can't profess any knowledge of how Ken (in reality) is made. The above pics certainly show him in an effeminate manner. Your description doesn't really change that much, but he is a eunuch, after all. Regardless, I love the TS movies and your description of the clip sounds funny. So color me excited.

  • Feb. 11, 2010, 6:28 p.m. CST

    Not trying to stir things up again Scary but

    by white_vader

    a few things you said sorta don't really make sense to me. You think this is a cash grab, when Pixar already CANCELLED this film once, and waited 'til they had a story they though was good enough. Eisner had a "spite project" - a division of Disney formed exactly to take advantage of the earlier contract and make every cent they could out of Pixar's properties. It was called Circle 7. Number one on the list of course was Toy Story 3. I feel sorry for the artists and animators working there, doing their best. Anyway when Eisner finally went down/was kicked out and the Pixar guys took creative control they went through all existing projects and Toy Story 3 was one of the first to go as Pixar had felt exactly like you that it was just a Disney merchandising opportunity. Circle 7 was closed down (at least they tried to place them on other projects as opposed to the previous "just fire 'em all" hack 'n' slash approach. <p> There were still a few things too far into the process like Robinsons, American Dog/Bolt, Rapunzel and so on to do really extensive rewrites or can completely, but they essentially cleared the decks as much as they could without too much disruption. Anyway it wasn't until later that they decided they had a good enough (toy) story to warrant gong ahead. So I do trust that they've got the right outlook. Secondly, Toy Story 2 is 11 years old. 11. They're not exactly scrambling to capitalise! Thirdly, if they can make over 700 million bucks from a story about an 80 year old geezer (well, 78) then they're doing all right and don't need to make a quick cash grab (especially as their worst-reviewed and generally perceived movie has made a few BILLION in revenue and is still going strong). They didn't even do the FIRST sequel directly after. And like they say, quality is a great business plan. So I don't know how you can be suspicious of the project on any front. Anyway, just thought filling you in may make you understand they're absolutely NOT milking it. So yes, you slipped ito an alternate dimension, and no, I don't see how this has Disney's marketing stink all over it. Apply the opposite logic to it - if Pixar were so happy with the others and they were so universally (but maybe not inter-dimensionally) well-loved, why would they MESS with 'em unless they thought this one would be up to par? <p> Another thing is your strange logic. On the one hand you didn't like the earlier stuff as much and think the newer stuff is much better/they're improving? Fine, no probs, but why then don't you apply that to Toy Story 3 and consider that if they keep getting better then 3 may actually be the first one you really like? With all respect, I don't get the flip there and it just sounds like sour grapes. <p> Also, how can you be against this sequel in one breath and chastise them for no sequel to The Incredibles in another? That makes no sense whatsoever. TS3 is opportunistic but I2 wouldn't be? Remember like I said, it's been 11 years since TS2. I admit as much as I'd like to see more Incredibles, I'd rather it NEVER happen because like E.T., it's beautifully self-contained and doesn't NEED one. So if you say you WANT a sequel to that, how on earth can you begrudge Toy Story, where you're in an outrageously tiny minority in terms of people, critics, whoever that didn't love both films to bits. <p> I must admit I had this film all wrong though in this respect. I always thought it would end up with going to pre-school but as their idea of toy HEAVEN - not hell! <p> Anyway like I say Scary, not trying to have a go or anything, and lots of respect for being classy about your disagreement with D.Vader. And sorry for the overstated caps. If Harry would give us the capability for bloody italics if nothing else, things would be slightly less pathetic on these boards.

  • Feb. 11, 2010, 6:34 p.m. CST

    it's ironic that people whinge cynically about real toys

    by white_vader

    being used as a cheap gimmick or product placement/moneymaking exercise, when they don't consider that the love of those classic toys is a huge part of what inspired Lasseter and co to MAKE the damn thing in the FIRST place! You guys really can't see the forest for the trees sometimes can you? You complain with nerdish purity and then don't even recognise it when that nerd purity actually happens! Jeez.

  • Feb. 11, 2010, 7:02 p.m. CST

    Sorry P.S. Scary

    by white_vader

    Just meant to address the thing about for those of us "That actually went to art school" (THAT wasn't supercilious?!) as if these guys DIDN'T! And then your view about how lacking the humans were sorta shows you to not just not like the movie, but be completely biased against it. You sorta argue against the project at that time because they couldn't make decent humans (which then makes it unclear whether you actually think it's an art or technology thing) when a lot of the time they were framed out of the picture or heard offscreen, Tom & Jerry style. The main point is that they knew exactly what they were doing and it was exactly why they made a movie about PLASTIC TOYS! You see a movie called Toy Story and pick on the humans, I see a movie that concentrated on the toys' story. Andy and Sid aren't the main characters, Woody and Buzz are. So just really wanted to raise that point. And that fish would have been harder at that point, not easier. Both from a technical and performance perspective. Don't know what posessed you there. And that most of these guys at Pixar CAN draw or sculpt our arses off. Traditionally. <p> I work in both camps and while I think there ARE a lot of people in cg that come from a tech rather than art background, I think you were unfair and misinformed because Pixar is one of the few places where those things are incredibly well balanced. Not brow beating you as you've had that battle, just trying to come to an agreement or at least give you some context because I think many of your points were off the (ha!) money. And I love Wall-E too. And Keaton - even in Cars! Cheers again Scary.

  • March 24, 2010, 11:27 p.m. CST

    The horse dies?

    by oldenslow

    And there's no spoiler alert? IMHO, the Pixar shorts are the most awesome things they produce.

  • March 26, 2010, 9:44 a.m. CST

    Did they send him to the Elmers Glue factory?

    by orcus