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Christopher Nolan To 'Godfather' SUPERMAN!?!? Oh Yeah, There's Another BAT Movie Being Written Now, Too!!
Merrick here...
The folks over at Deadline are on fire this week! They just told us about the disposition of TERMINATOR rights (HERE) & now they have word on what's going down with the next SUPERMAN film.
Our insiders say that the brains behind rebooted Batman has been asked to play a "godfather" role and ensure The Man Of Steel gets off the ground after a 3 1/2-year hiatus.
Referring to Nolan's forthcoming Warner title INCEPTION:
While Nolan completes that Leonardo DiCaprio-starrer for a July 16th release, he's also hatched an idea for Warner Bros' third Batman installment. Now his brother and frequent collaborator Jonah Nolan, and David Goyer who co-wrote Batman Begins and penned the story for The Dark Knight, are off scripting it.
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As one of our insiders reassures: “It would definitely not be a followup to Superman Returns."
...say Mike Fleming and Nikki Finke in an interesting article HERE.
My first instinct was that I hope poor Christopher Nolan doesn't become the "go to" person for these kind of adaptations. At the same time, when I think about the matter very carefully, Nolan meets nearly ever criteria I have in terms of the sensibilities I'd like to see brought to the table for a SUPERMAN project - I think he'd be a magnificent shepherd as such.
Personally, I'd love to see a bit of DARK KNIGHT's gritty maturity injected into SUPERMAN, but I'd also hate to see such an approach become a predictable formula.
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As one of our insiders reassures: “It would definitely not be a followup to Superman Returns."
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I knew you were typing this up merrick. I had faith.
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But keep Singer far, far, far away from the property. His shitstorm of gayness is kryptonite to the franchise.
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What has this guy done so far with his career? He's presented psychologically complex characters and placed them in difficult situations in which they've had to use their brains to prevail. What has the Superman franchise been lacking? Psychological complexity and intellect. Nolan will end that trend, I predict.
Now, everyone assumes he'll make Supes a gritty film. Not necessarily- he might see this character as an opportunity to break from Batman's appropriately dark universe. I've loved Nolan's work up until this point, and I expect to continue with this project -
DAMN THE REST!!!
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"Gritty" Superman. Fuck that.
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Feb 09, 2010 11:05:06 AM CST
I like the part where they say Routh is still in the mix
by doubledown44
That's the first place I would start.
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Singer and Routh still apparently haven't been given the boot, but this "Superman 3.0" they speak of would be very different from Superman Returns even if they returned.
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You don't make the kind of jack THE DARK KNIGHT did and not expect another Batman movie.
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He made the Batman films dark and gritty because that's how they work best. Superman has a different tone and I think Nolan will conform to that.
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...origin stories. That was one of the good things about Returns.
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It shouldn't be quite so grounded as the new Batman films are. Being too cartoonish would also be a mistake. It's a tough one.
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You guys are getting scooped left and right. Sorry to hear that.
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Feb 09, 2010 11:08:09 AM CST
Thanks Bruce- and another thing- Nolan has the best actors
by yackbacker
The guy brings top talent to his movies. Imagine the cast he's going to hire. Fuck Kate Bosworth, that bland, 80 lb. joke of a Lois. Bring me a woman with an ass and talent!
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Give Supes a few baddies he can punch. It's not for nothing Superman II was the best of the lot. I am sick of seeing his saving falling aircraft and generally lifting heavy shit to save the day. I want a fight!
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Repostin this here...
I like that hes not directing just helping. Id say at this point ignore an origin story, but maybe show a glimpse of Brainiacs involvement in the destruction of Krypton similar to the animated series, perhaps even elude to Darkseid noticing earth because of Kal els warp signiture. Have part one focus on Brainiac, maybe Metallo, Parasite for part 2, then do Darkseid for a third. Just please, for shits sake, dont make Lex the main villain. -
and maybe superman could punch someone this time
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She was a major mistake by Nolan- don't know if that was his call or the studios, but either way, he's accountable. And Maggie, while not a bad actress, made The Joker look hot by comparison.
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REALISTIC.He showed us the WAYNE'S past that made up all the pieces that is BATMAN.The whole ninja aspect/acting as a criminal to better understand the criminal mind-this was PURE GENIUS.And, felt..real.
THE CREATION of the costume was a very organic process...and all-in-all,it just explained the "why" for the part of the mind that has a hard time buying a superhero.Nolan's outside prespective was goddamn genius.So,hope he saves SUPERMAN(honestly, not ONE supes film has been that good.AND I DO like the NEW Donner cut of old supes...but...they all sort of stink). -
WHY is Goyer still on Batman 3? Fuuuuuuuuuck. Drop him already, he is dragging you down.
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...fucking old.
Shit is getting re-imagined, re-booted, re-launched, launched for the first time when there's really no demand for it at a comical rate.
When did it start being OK to re-anything that just ran out of gas a year or two ago?
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he's not going to dark and gritty it up, he'll just do what's best for the character. Batman was only dark and gritty because that's where Batman's roots lie. Also get Gilbert Gottfried for Mister Mxyzptlk
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lmao
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Nolan's not writing and directing the thing, so it's ultimately going to be the director/writer decision on what ultimately makes it's way to the screen.
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...the "Twilider-Man approach" that Sony will be vomiting all over everyone in a year or so.
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It could be great, or predictable. I don't want Superman and Batman indistinguishable from each other. That said, Christopher Nolan seems smart enough to have the right feel for the character without making actions seem without consequent. Not gritty like a hard boiled crime novel, but not super-fluffy either. Depth of character without making it just like Batman with a cape.I'm curious what they're going to do with Superman's son. I'm not opposed to something like that ever happening, stuff like that happens in real life after all, but it was a weird way to re-start the series and did not seem to work. For that matter, are they going to pretend Superman Returns did not exist? Singer painted the storyline into a bit of a corner it seems. It'd be interesting to see how somebody else (if Singer isn't back) picks up from that point and is still able to progress the story/series in a manner they felt most comfortable with, or go in the direction Singer seemed to be aiming, without it being awkwardly seemed together or just pretending that movie and those events never happened.Still, I'd enjoy seeing Christopher Nolan's take on Superman.-Cheers
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Superman is supposed to be a beacon of light. I have faith in Christopher Nolan, but Superman isn't supposed to be gritty--he's supposed to be shiny. The man of steel, not the man of cast-iron. And my biggest problem with Superman Returns, and one that seems to be shared by a fair chunk of fans, is that despite our crazy digital technology, Supes is still fighting a little bald dude instead of the physically imposing aliens and monsters a man with super strength is better suited to. So grounded in a consistent internal reality, great, willing to go to scary, pencil in the eye places, absolutely, but by no means should Superman be a street-level hero.
A quick litmus test: the right villain for the next Superman movie should not have to use kryptonite to hurt him. We've seen the kryptonite gag, and it's been great. Let's move on. -
If WB followed that strategy, we'd be sitting here talking about when they're going to get around to a new Batman movie already! Thankfully, they didn't sit on their hands, and we got Nolan's films as a result. And instead of getting cute with it, they went to their ace and asked if he could get SUPERMAN going. Smart move, in my opinion.
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I would expect the same from his take on the Man of Steel. Superman needs to embrace it's fantasy aspect, not shy away from it in embarrassment. Prepare for heavily edited cutaway flying scenes and a metal costume.
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Sweeping shots over wheat fields and arctic terrain with John Williams in his prime making every scene feel important and legendary. Oh, and Superman punching Brainiac or Darkseid would be nice, too.
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WB apparently wants a dark Superman that copies the Dark Knight formula. However, it is a completely different character. I certainly didn't hate Singer's take. I like it more with repeated viewings. I hoped Singer would get a second shot to up the action.That being said, I love Nolan, and will give him the benefit of the doubt.
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I liked it as a kid but now that Im older, I understand the technological limitations, but the whole crystal planet thing is silly. Id rather see a very advanced Krypton, an earth of the future type thing, start the movie off (if they redid an origin) as sort of a distaster film ala 2012, with the world actually being destroyed with no stupid viruses to magically save the day.
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With a new screenwriter and everything. You'd think geeks would be interested in debating the merits of such a story, but AICN still hasn't mentioned it. So bizarre.
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We don't even know if Nolan's directing this thing! Relax, good people of AICN. Think about how we won't have another chick-flick movie about Emo-man from Singer. This is a good day for Supes fans.
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...as in the Donner film and John Byrne's approach. I hate the Krypton that looks like 1950's America except with flying cars!
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Feb 09, 2010 11:19:40 AM CST
If by making the movie smart you mean he'll take the fun out of
by bruce of all trades
Then I'm all for it.
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Did a studio exec hack into Merrick's AICN account or something?
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back for Superman Returns.
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Every1 says that Superman is NOT Batman ummm...No Shit!!! I think Christopher Nolan knows the difference.
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If so, do it. Heroes that never come under any serious threat are difficult to support. Not that everything has to be realistic either...just throw in Doomsday t'fuck...still the best Supes comic outing. That and Red Son anyway...I fail to comprehend the popularity of Kingdom Come aside from the amazing artwork.
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...at the very least be worth watching. He's a smart guy.Unlike most people, I'm not in love with his BATMAN movies. I admire them a lot, and I really enjoy watching them once...no real desire to ever see them again tough.
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Are we pretending Superman 3-Superman Returns don't exist?
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I adore Superman Returns.
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Then a sequel with Darkseid. That is a billion dollars in the bank. Oh, and NO FUCKING McG or Ratner!!!
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Both were chick flicks with a plane crash in them.
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I'm sure this sentiment has been shared in this talkback already but i thought i'd add my 2cents worth... Batman suited the gritty, somewhat pessimistic, real world direction that Mr Nolan so superbly added to the Batman reboots, but that wouldn't work for a new supes film. See, for me, Superman is all about optimism, belief that faith in one man can solve all the problems of a city. The doom and gloom of Gotham simply wouldn't work with the nostalgic feel of Metropolis. I like the idea of making it a "real world" sort of film, injecting an element of actuality into it but by taking the same route as the Caped one would ruin the mood of the canon. However, i believe that Nolan knows his stuff and will research the source material (not the other films but the comics) and help produce a brilliant movie! Course, I could be talking utter balls here. I'm sure someone'll think so. Probably me when I sober up... Oh, and i like Routh for the role too.
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Which you know is EXACTLY what Warner Brothers is hoping.
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Superman needs to be the exact opposite of Batman!
Superman is supposed to be Inspirational not Gritty. Superman is supposed to represent what is best in Mankind and what kind of world and Morals we would fight for given that kind of Power.
Batman more Represents the realities of the struggles we mere mortals have between order and chaos. Batman has to delve into the madness himself in order to right it because more times than that is what we have to do.
But what if we had near limitless Power against the enemies of civilization? Would we simply Vanquish them or become a bigger threat to ourselves? That is the story of Superman! The angle taken is obviously a positive one. Superman represents the ideal of humanity rather than the grim realities. Hopefully that is what we will see. Hopefully Nolan (and I definately dont portend to try and tell him how to do his job) will be able to conjure the Spirit of Supes as skillfully as he was able to do for Bats.
I think Metropolis should be bright and Shiny whereas just the damaging of one building is painful to watch. I think the story should be large in Scope and the Threat be Unearthly ( Brainiac instead of Lex for example)
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Feb 09, 2010 11:28:42 AM CST
First thing to go - the Double L's in names. Lex is Alexander Lu
by toadkillerdog
And in a nod to the growing international audience, Lois is now Louise Singh - half American half Sikh, all woman!
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I don't think we all need to worry about a "gritty" Superman. I have a hunch that Nolan agreed to Exec Prod just to SAVE Superman from such a fate. I think what this move finally accomplishes is that there finally an 800lb gorilla who has the authority to say "no" to Jon "robot spider/gay robot" Peters. This is a great, great day for fans like us.
I agree with Spyguy. I want an epic presentation like the first movie. Has anyone seen Brandon Routh on "Chuck" lately? He's actually starting to look old enough to play Superman now!
What is up with AICN. Took them half the day to report this and they still haven't reported Daredevil reboot or Tim Robbins in Green Lantern? Maybe we'll get another upcoming chick-flick review to make up for it, since AICN DEFINITELY hasn't gotten lazy or forgotten it's core audience. -
...incongruous, but like I said...he's a smart guy. I'm sure he's aware of the challenges.
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But... 1) You're not the status quo; 2) Superman Returns for all its flaws got 76% fresh on Rotten Tomatoes 3) it made $200 million dollars; and 4) Christopher Nolan most likely would RE-hire someone just like Bryan Singer if the studio let him. His movie was the perfect balance of dark/light and classic. But best of all 1) You're not the status quo. Keep the whiney fanboys and whoever your "insider" was that was quoted above far away from development of actual work. Its adult swim.
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There was a lot more to Nolan's Batman than "gritty maturity". The films have a grand sense of mythical magic about them and a youthful element of heroism. Nolan hasn't been predictable up to now, and I don't expect him to be any time soon. News of him guiding Superman back to the big screen is great news.
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Superman Returns was on TV Sunday and I sat down to rewatch it and I really liked Routh in the role as Kent and Superman. The film was just... very slow. I find this just bittersweet news, I would have loved to see this franchise built around Routh in the role (or continued).... Ah well.
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Superman is the guy a girl takes home to meet her mom. Bats is the guy waiting in the closet for Clark Kent to go to work at the Daily Planet.
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Prepare to have your nuts serviced properly, as opposed to Singer, who's too selfish to even give us a reach-around with his shitty Superman movie.
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Uhhh...no. These cats shouldnt be allowed anywhere near Supes. Yeah they made a realistic Batman film,but at the cost of everything that makes the comics fun. Dont wanna see them go down the same route with Supes. If anything,I'd LOVE to see a Superman film along the lines of Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow. Make it like a live-action Fleischer Bros. cartoon...throw in Krypto and Supergilr and Brainiac and the shrunken city of Kandor...make it a full-on silver age Superman epic and you know ot would make mad $$$...I for one am sick to death of every comic movie following the same old tired routine. Lets throw reality out the window for once and see what happens,heh???
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I just don't think he's the right guy to "re-imagine" Superman. "Batman Begins" was on the right track, but "The Dark Knight", as good as it was, sucked all the fun and fantasy right out of Batman's world. Don't get me wrong, TDK is a good superhero movie, I just want some of that comic book inspired wonderment injected back into the franchise. What made Superman:The Movie so great, aside from Chris Reeve obviously, was the films epic, hopeful, colorful, fun-tastic feel and look. It was Supes right off the page of Action Comics. I don't want to see Superman go "darker" or "grittier", quite the opposite actually. "Superman Returns" was a downer overall, and part of the problem was the fact that it was a lot darker and more morose than its predecessors. Nolan is a visionary, I'm just not sure his vision is the right one for Superman.
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Id go with John Byrne or the animated series version. Donners version is too 80s fantasy. Id rather see something practical. Plus with Campbell doing a Green Lantern in space, doing a scifi friendly superman would make more sense.
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I get all the Marvel characters and how they make good movie leads. But Superman, he's so perfect, so indestructible, it gets kind of boring. You sit there thinking, 'well, sooner or later someone is going to use kryptonite on him, because there's really nowhere else to go'. And sure enough, someone does. Except, the amazing Superman 2. Which as a kid I totally adored. That battle between the three of them, now THAT's interesting.
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He's a little older now, and so his Kent will be a bit more believable. Langella should stick around as Perry White, but we need a new Lois, and a new goddamn villain.
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He's great as Supe's.
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That doesn't mean the character of Superman needs to be dark and gritty, but the movie definitely needs darker villains. Singer stuck too closely to Gene Hackman's Lex Luthor, greedy but diabolical in an almost comical way rather than straight evil. In the comics Lex Luthor is like Hitler, he thinks he's doing the right thing for humanity by ridding the world of Superman. We've had three movies now (Superman, Superman II and Superman Returns) where his prime motive is obtaining land. Toughen up the villains, use the formula from Superman II where Luthor works with other super-powered villains a la Brainiac or Bizarro, and Superman can continue to be the boy scout.
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I agree. He's young but maturing and I thought he did a great job as Kent/Supes.
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But ditch whatsherface who played Lois and hire Zooey Daschanel.
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Hadn't heard that yet. Thanks AICN talkbackers, as opposed to AICN editors.
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fluff! Superman is all fluff and knuckles; he’s nice to everyone and loves to brighten people’s day, but he punches the ever-living %$#@ out of the bad guys. A gritty is never going to happen; Nolan has read Superman comic books the same way he read the Batman comic books and knows how it should be.
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Real 30, not Hollywood 30. And she has to ACT.
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Is actually more enjoyable on additional viewings. however my big problem with it is that it went beyond just being an Homage/ follow up to the Donner Films. It was essentially a remake of the First! To me that kinda made it a waste of a "Sequel" I did really like the keeping of continuity/ World aspect of the Donners and especially the Superman Theme ( I REEAALLY hope they keep that... it just summons the image of Superman like the Rocky Theme makes you auto think of Rocky!) As far as Krpton/ Krptonian tech theme... i like what Donner did with it. The Crystal thing definately seems Alien and I though the Hackman scene is SII where he discovers the FoS did a good job of illustrating that.
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are transforming Superman into a dark character like Batman,because dark is cool and it sells,then FUCK IT.
superman is the opposite of Bats,he is the hope,the spirit,the inspiration,the american way.stick on this core elements of his character.
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The guy is built like a Buick at this point, and with a good script, good direction, and some amazing action, hed be amazing. I just want to see him get the chance to be completely Superman, no wires attached.
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Nolan's approach to Batman worked 'cause the character's dark and gritty and rooted in the real world. That approach simply won't work with Superman - you need to find the core of the character and make a film based around that. For Superman, that means bright, four-colour action, not angst-ridden grit.
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Feb 09, 2010 11:44:42 AM CST
I hope he shows a realistic Superman - his internal struggle
by toadkillerdog
Show the internal struggle that Supes has, to have limitless power, but to be compelled to never use it fully, to never truly exercise that power because then people would truly fear you. In a world of a Superman, no one should ever be hungry or lack potable water because of a lack of resources or food. Superman can cultivate arid wastelands by dropping and melting glaciers to provide water. He can grow crops that could feed the world. In a world of a Superman, no wars should ever be fought that result in mass loss of life. He can stop them in an instant by taking out the leadership. Those are but two things he can do to make a better world, but he refuses, because of his strong moral compass - that keeps him from interfering with man's governance of himself, but also because of his fear of his own power. If he stopped wars, fed the masses, etc. He would become deified and reviled at the same time. He would also see that it could work, a benign dictatorship, a world governed by a loving demi-god who only has the good of the people in his heart. He is paralyzed at times by his realization that he could truly make a difference in this world - much moreso than he does, if only he would allow himself. But he is afraid that if he allowed himself, he would never stop, and he could never be stopped.
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Superman works as a bright story, which is why taking him to a dark place can really sell the story. Make the world a bright place than bring in Darkseid to bring hell on earth.
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imagine watching superman on an aerial combat with the super bad guy,all in glorious 3D.i can not fucking wait.
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I BEG YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Nolan is smart enough to realize that Superman needs to be rebooted as WB wants...as the majority of film goers want. Routh was horrible as was every other aspect of Superman Returns. It was nothing more than a bad attempt at making a Donner Superman film with a Christopher Reeve stand in. Routh does not have charisma or much natural acting talent (watch SR and more recently, Chuck). Routh is also pretty puny for a Superman. Half the costume in SR was padded. If you are going to make a Superman movie, get someone who can fill out a suit at least! Bad is the only word that can be used to describe SR. It just wasn't a quality movie or quality rendition of Superman. If they bring back Routh or Singer (who's contracts are expired), I hope they expect another expensive failure.
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make the world a dark place and superman the light.afterall he is jesus v2.
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make the world a dark place and superman the light.afterall he is jesus v2.
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. . . a movie I'd not want to see. Just different tastes, I guess. But I'd love a fun-yet-mature movie that had a real weight to it. In other words, a Superman movie set in a real world. It doesn't have to be "dark" but I think I would hate the movie you described.-Cheers
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Feb 09, 2010 11:47:54 AM CST
Uh, I would prefer it if Nolan would not be involved with this.
by mr. nice gaius
I'm all about him putting a capper on Batman with a third (and presumably final) installment. However, I would hate to see him get bogged down as a frakkin' comic book movie director-type guy. His interests and development as a filmmaker suggest that he's got bigger and better ideas than that.
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Feb 09, 2010 11:48:00 AM CST
Where DA FUCK is JettL1993 to fill us in on more details?
by yackbacker
Dude, put down your screenplay to STAR WARS EPISODE VII: THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK AGAIN and get on the internet!
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is that Superman and Lois had a son. Everyone knows that if Superman and Lois really fucked, his cum shot would blast her uterus through her spine, unless he pulled out and nutted off into space.
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is when he is portrayed as overpowered. Make him strong, yes, but limit him a bit. In Superman Returns he barely breaks a sweat when he lands that plane. Compare this to Timms Animated series when you see Superman struggle to land the plane. Superman is interesting when Superman bleeds.
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I still like it!
Ok, Kate Bosworth was a terrible choice for Lois Lane. My personal pick would have been someone like Holly Marie Combs.
And yes, the subplot regarding Lois' kid was executed in a hamfisted fashion. But I didn't hate the IDEA of Lois' kid. I just wish they had been WAY more ambiguous about it, and kept the audience wondering at the end of the movie regarding his parentage.
And I really, really wish that Lois' husband had rescued her from the sinking yaught instead of Supes. It would have been way more emotionally satisfying if they'd set it up so her husband was her new hero, driving home the point that Clark fucked up by taking his little interstellar holiday.
But overall it's still a damned entertaining Supes movie. Kevin Spacey kicked hard ass as Lex Luthor, and Brandon Routh channelled Christopher Reeve so well it was creepy! (I still harbour suspicions that they looped in Reeve's own voice for a couple of lines of dialogue, specifically the "You really shouldn't smoke Miss Lane" bit.) -
...I'm hoping that the "Godfathering" bit refers to protecting the property from executive interference more than anything. That's what tied things up for the ages between the Christopher Reeves years and Singer's go.
I like the idea that, if someone at WB wants a gay robot or a giant robotic spider then they have to either convince Nolan that it's in the best interests for the property or that they have a better understanding of how to make a superhero flick than he does.
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Lifting shit is weaksauce.
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and I doubt Nolan is dumb enough to turn it all gritty and dark. The dramatic tension comes from the moral obligations/ethical quandaries SUPES faces. There is real potential for a Nietzschean struggle of wills here.
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That's a GREAT analysis fellow Professional ToadKillerDog just gave, and it got me to thinking that if they treated Supes in the same way TKD (toadkiller, not The Dark Knight misspelled), then we could have a Superman movie that's about more than just the character. It could be about the debate about what governments should do for its people. If you have the power, should you use it for good or should you allow people to work for themselves? I just hope they wouldn't say yes to either one and allow the audience to figure it out for themselves. Is Superman right for not solving all of the world's problems? Is it even his place to do so?
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He wasn't bad, it was the movie itself that just wasn't handled right. I'd like to see him return, but knowing movie studios' fear of us dumb viewers getting confused, he won't.
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lmao Mallrats ftw
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I think they just need to "de-fop" him a bit (the difference between Pierce Brosnan in his first go at Bond vs. his fourth, for example). A different haircut? And let's tweak that horrible, horrible costume a bit...larger emblem, higher boots, lose the skimpy bikini briefs, a more flowing, cloth-like cape, etc.
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*Sigh*.
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They just need a Superman who occasionally gets mad, or has to actual punch someone. He was made into Jesus Christ in the last film.
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Superman would be who and what he is, but set in a more realistic world. I think it could be great. And, it's nice to see that they are starting work on a new Batsy as well. That's the real news here.
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Feb 09, 2010 11:55:05 AM CST
Stan Gable: I believe they fucked when he'd lost his powers
by royston lodge
Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but if my memory is correct they only ever fucked once, in Superman 2, and only AFTER Clark had gone through the process of having his powers stripped so he could be human.
Even if he still had his powers, I don't think it's hard to fathom that Supes would have very strong control over the strength of his spooge. I mean, it's not like he causes extreme pain every time he shakes someone's hand, or burns a hole through the Earth every time he uses his heat vision. He DOES have control over the intensity of his powers, ya know. -
At least try a different direction with one film
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If it doesn't have Sups punching terrorist or the DKR version where he falls in line with the government, conservatives will blog it to death. They love nothing more then getting press for bashing something is preserved liberal even if it isn't. I just want to see a good Superman movie, but I don't think it will ever top I and II. Returns was a good idea, but the script and casting was awful minus Lex/Spacey.
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I just couldn't let my zinger about him writing THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK... AGAIN go by. I take full responsibility for his return.
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Feb 09, 2010 11:58:31 AM CST
Vader: SUPERMAN as a metaphor for the Obama era, then?
by colonelfatheart
It could resonate.
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Is it just a coincidence that Nolan would use the work "godfathering", when one considers that Superman and Superman 2 were both written by Mario Puzo?
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Feb 09, 2010 12:00:17 PM CST
And really, Nolan's BAT films aren't really "gritty."
by colonelfatheart
FAT CITY is gritty. TAXI DRIVER is gritty. BRING ME THE HEAD OF ALFREDO GARCIA is gritty. BB and TDK are not. Dark? Yes. But they still have that Hollywood sheen to them.
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Great connection to Puzo. Awesome.
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and now we cut back to the scene where supes saves the kitten from the tree.his moral conflict does not allow him to save the world,but he can save the cats. ;)
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and now we cut back to the scene where supes saves the kitten from the tree.his moral conflict does not allow him to save the world,but he can save the cats. ;)
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I never thought about what ToadKillerDog had suggested, that Superman COULD cure the world of all its ills but he'd become a demigod that everyone depends on to solve their problems. I'd like to see an exploration of that idea, especially since it resonates with today's political climate. But I don't want to see them say one way is better than the other. I'd rather see that debate explored, not solved.
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Just a motarded waste of time and money. A fukken real estate plot - yet again! Blue Boy gets azz whupped by skinny seventh rate lisping goons? Gets stabbed with K, and almost bites it, but then is able to lift an entire fukken island laced with it into orbit? A fukken real estate scheme yet again? It was shit
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ESB... Again?
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Not the strength of my orgasm. Oh if I could...
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Yeah, if Jesus Christ was a creepy stalker.
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That's like saying "We haven't had a gay Batman in a while... time to change things up!" But what bothers me isn't so much the idea of grit in my Superman, but Hollywood's seemingly prevailing notion that any formula that works in one movie can and should be applied across the board to all other films, with no consequences other than more money. Nevermind the fact that every story is a different situation and might need a different stylistic/tonal approach to succeed, but when the people in charge can say nothing more to reassure you than "It'll be darker," or "Don't worry, it won't be ANYTHING like Superman Returns!", I'm not sure they even know what that's supposed to mean. "Um... not less grittier?" Avatar just passed The Dark Knight in domestic box office receipts; was that because of its "gritty maturity"? Oh no, wait, it was because it was filmed in 3D, which every action film that expects to be successful from here on out must now do as well.
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There should still be a narrative arc, but I think, true to Nolan's BAT outings, the thinking viewer should leave the theater pondering these questions.
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Brandon Routh - was Awesome and should not be Fired!!! He did his job. any weaknesses with Returns was in the Writing and Directing not the with Routh
Spacey- Copied hackman waaay to much! If they were going to do that than they should have just got Hackman!
Bosworth- I think she took the role seriously and put everything she had into it. For that she should be thanked. However I just dont think she was the right person for the Role. KB is so petite it hard to imagine her as Lois. I see someone more of a Julia Roberts type Frame for Lois.
Cyclops - I think played his part well. I think he did the "i can be just as Heroic as Superman" bit well enough. Basically you buy the fact that he does not deserve to just be Dumped just because Supes is back in town.
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Consider my mind blown!!!
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Feb 09, 2010 12:08:08 PM CST
Ya, Ominus. But Kitty kats are cuter than starving babies
by toadkillerdog
And he must prioritize.
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A) I have no problem with Luthor in another movie. He is Supes greatest foe and his mirror opposite (Superman is a god who insist that all men are his equal; Lex is a man who insist he should be treated as a god). Just come up with a new interpretation of him - NO REAL ESTATE SCAM! If anything, make him a mass murdering, arms dealing terrorist like he was in the Golden Age.
2) Superman shouldn't be dark or "gritty" (whatever that means) but I do think he can be serious. Once again in the Golden Age they had him tackle social issues - I'm not saying I want 120 minutes of the hardships of non-union coal workers, but you can give us a movie that has some depth (there is a reason why he is a reporter in his secret identity). The 50's radio show was legendary for doing this, including one famous episode called "Klan of the Fiery Cross" which was one of the first entertainment shows to denounce the Klan.
3) Be prepared for Supes not to take on a physical equal (which I am happy not to see). So far in Nolan's Batman series the Caped Crusader has faced more moral obstacles than physical ones - the Joker taxed his resolve, not so much his toughness. Expect the same in Nolan's Superman.
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Thank you. I was undecided on the movie until that point. It was then that it descended into utter shit.
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a film by brett ratner?
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Feb 09, 2010 12:10:20 PM CST
I'm hoping Nolan steers them towards something inspired by...
by anonymoose
...either Birthright or Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow, if not an adaptation.
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Because I actually think he was pretty good... sure he was bland sometimes compared to Reeves, but I think that had more to do with the script, lack of spontaneity in the movie. It felt overplanned, especially that first shot entering the Daily Planet. I felt like they were saying, "The weight of an entire franchise is on your shoulders, Singer, look how much money we've spent!" Something about Returns didn't feel sure of itself, if that makes any sense. Whereas TDK feels UNBELIEVABLY sure of itself. But, imho, Superman is WAY trickier to get correct in tone and to juggle all the story elements in a way that's satisfying to an audience. With Batman, you can go quite a few ways and still have a satisfying movie... not so with Superman. For one thing, bringing Nolan on board at least shows that they respect the importance of the character to american pop culture and want someone with a track record to help them do it justice. I'm not sure how anyone could complain about this decision... at least wait for the movie. If he turns Supes into a drug addict with daddy issues with a 2 hour dissertation on Kryptonic DNA and how it creates stronger elementary bonds on subsurface skin molecules, then you have something to complain about.
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Gritty Superman, no. Cosmic wow in 3D, yes. Nolan has demonstrated zero ability to work in that realm or strike the proper tone. Doesn't mean he can't. Just means it would be a major turning point.
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Should have figured you, D. Vader and Yack would all be at the Superman TB.
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SUPERMAN can be serious without being gritty, and without being boring either. Another thing I believe we'll be spared is the logic-defying love-story that Lois and Clark have been put through, especially in the Singer movie. The melodrama should be at a minimum, thank Zod.
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Treat him like the animated series treated him.
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Yeah i said it!
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Feb 09, 2010 12:12:42 PM CST
Ya Vader, exactly. Explore the idea, but do not try to answer it
by toadkillerdog
The one Thing a Nolanised Supes could do, is to explore that demigod question - and the consequences of his actions, and more importantly his inaction's. If you are going to have that kind of power but not use it, then you must truly be conflicted by that - or are indeed an alien with little empathy. But we know - or suspect, that he does have a strong empathy, so that must be tearing him up inside.
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respect, professionals.
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i couldnt believe how fucking bored i was thru it. don't get me wrong, it's a great flick. saw it twice... and a few times on initial dvd release. but when i was watching it the other day... i really didnt like it. maybe it was my mood, but it just had so many wtf moments, not to mention the horrible costume. and it wasnt just me, someone else in the room said "maybe we should have watched tim burtons batman. We all laughed! bugger, hey.
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...just increase the tension and make the challenges in the movie hit Supes harder, literally and figuratively.
I don't think they need to reach into Supes' rogues gallery for the next one. There really isn't any NEED to bring in Brainiac or Metallo or Bizarro. They have a perfectly serviceable villain already.
I'm imagining a new Supes flick with Routh and Spacey, but this time Lex Luthor is really, really pissed. He's cracked. His hatred for Supes has pushed him over the edge.
No more cartoonish schemes. No more incompetent henchmen. No more ditzy molls holding him back.
This time, he works alone. This time, he's batshit crazy. This time, no loopy real estate schemes. No more "loveable rogue".
This time, he's truly gone psychotic. This time, he has one goal and one goal only - rid the Universe of the Last Son of Krypton.
Seriously, one of the things the movies have lacked is the personal connection between Lex and Supes. As arch-enemies, they should be inside each other's heads. They should be like the immovable object and the unstoppable force, the matter/antimatter explosion, etc.
Instead, Lex is a goofy threat to Supes' charmed existence.
Lex needs to be more threatening. More sinister.
No need to change actors to get that performance. We all know Spacey has it in him (Se7en, anybody?). -
"... and take a look at this The Flash script we are interested in producing? If you could just... you know, take a look and tell us what you feel and... if you hjave any suggestions, just... let us know. If you want screenwrite credit, we can arrange that... and if, you know, for some reason you're not busy and feel interested in... uh... directing, you know... we could do that too..."
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...KINGDOM COME.
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Welcome back, however brief it may be!
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he makes money out of toys,he can make money out of a flying guy.and ofc he has to cast Megan Fox as Lois.
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I'm just sayin'.
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Gritty?! You think that's Superman?! Quit spreading mistruths about the greatest hero who ever lived!
Do yourself a favor and go read All-Star Superman. Now THAT'S pure Superman! Get a clue, Merrick, before spouting off.
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I made up that title to EPISODE VII because it was the worst one I could think of on the fly.
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from any of Nolan's previous work, that he'd be right for SUPERMAN? C'mon! Faded and angsty got us RETURNS. We don't want that. And I don't want it similar to Batman. I want it as different as possible.
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What worked for DK will NOT work for Superman. There were hints of that in Superman Returns and it just felt all wrong. Much as I hate to admit it, it was the campier aspects of SR (mostly the scenes involving Spacey's Luthor) that felt the most Superman-ish to me. Donner's first Superman had a nice mix of maturity and campiness and fun. I'm sick of DARK and GRITTY, let's have some fun with our Superheroes again!
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Feb 09, 2010 12:16:21 PM CST
Luthor as super-industrialist/political eminence grise
by colonelfatheart
would be the right approach. Then you have the dynamic of a self-made superman (in the Nietzsche/Bruce Wayne) sense vs. one that was born that way.
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If you solve this problem and save these people, why not solve this other problem and save this other group? Would he be allowed to take a break? Would the world take him to task for not saving Haiti bc he was sleeping or solving another crisis? He would get crucified I feel by people and countries angry at him for ignoring their plights while he solved others.
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Feb 09, 2010 12:17:43 PM CST
bring me DARK KNIGHT RETURNS with Stephen Fukken Lang!!
by six demon bag
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As far as you know..
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the problem here is that you are thinking of Supes as a thing rather than a person. Even if he wanted to do all those things he could not without just straight killing people to do so (which Supes would not do) I mean the second you settle one international crisis another would pop up. It would be like trying to herd cats. Throw on top of that Supervillians and there is just not enough time in the day for one person to do all that. Ok now take into account he IS a person that something of a life of his own. he could only ignore that for so long before even Supes has to connect to somebody.
off Subject: Yeah one thing I cant stand about Superman stories are things like what happened in SR where he gets stabbed with K-nite falls off a mountain and into the Ocean and hen still lives! BS..he id Dead at that point!!! But wait thats not enough...then he goes and is able to Lift an entire island of K-Nite into space!!! even as it is spiking out betting ready to stab him in the chest! Crap like that is what makes Superman so damn Cheesy to me! Why bother having a weakness if it is not really a weakness at all! I mean Spidey if he gets shot in the head , thats it he is dead. Someone that goes out and actually faces Danger is a hero. Supes apparently never faces any real Danger therefore is not a real hero. When there is actual risk involved for Supes then he can Be hero! -
I want a kryptonian proctologist in the next Superman movie!
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So, I'm not terribly concerned. You're right, his track record is dark, psychological material- he's heavily into that sort of storytelling. And even if he was directing this movie, I don't think Nolan is a one-trick pony like Tim Burton. I think Nolan is a lot smarter than that- and that his familiarity with comics is solid. I'm expecting something intelligent, psychologically engaging (not necessarily morose or downright maudlin like Singer's shit) and something that puts the character in an epic setting.
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...there are 2 fantastic superman movies you can watch right now. superman: doomsday & superman/batman: public enemies. granted they're animated but they are both 20 times better than that piece of gay shit we all had to sit thru 4 years ago.
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I want to see part of the world angry at Superman for not saving them during a crisis, for not stopping that tsunami, etc. And see how the guilt affects Superman. How it makes him start working double-time, working himself to the bone to save everyone, regardless of whether its the right thing to do or not.
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Honestly, I never read Watchmen, but I saw the film and that's the feeling I got from Dr. Manhattan. That in a real world, this is what Superman might be like. I especially liked the shot of him coming up over that hill in Vietnam with The Comedian. If Supes were real, however, it'd be even more batshit (no pun intended) insane if he actually did decide to MAKE humans be good... because the fear of a god, just like the fear of an alien race, are really the only things that will move us up the evolutionary ladder to a state of being that always appeals to higher and more noble purposes. We'd be FORCED to do it, like in A Clockwork Orange (when a man is robbed of choice, he ceases to be a man, blah, blah, blah), but it'd be interesting to explore those moral qualms from the perspective OF an all loving god, which Superman would become. Crazy, it really is a doorway to exploring god on earth.
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Gritty works for Batman. But not for Superman. Two totally different kinds of heroes. C'mon. Do I really have to explain this?
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...as an industrialist. I think they should stay within the "Donner/Singer continuity". Smallville has the corporate Lex, and he fits there.
But for this next movie, I'd prefer to see Lex as we know him, except that he's been pushed too far and he's gone over the edge.
They can put Byrne's "The Man of Steel" up on the big screen the NEXT time around.
This time around, put a final exclamation mark on the Donner/Singer storyline. It deserves closure. -
Feb 09, 2010 12:24:26 PM CST
Conti, I'll get JettL on the line to make that happen.
by colonelfatheart
"Jesus Christ, Supes, do you have a lump of kryptonite up your ass or are you always this uptight?"
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Good stories arise out of good conflict. I think that would be a great thing to explore in a new Superman film. That really gets to the heart of his psychology.
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Way too many b-list heroes. It got cluttered.
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So Superman should be more like Dr Manhattan?
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Poop
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I liked it at the time, but I'm having trouble remembering much about it now.
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But a psychotic genius is awfully close to The Joker and The Green Goblin I think.
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It's a reunion...or a Pedapback invasion.
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This talkback sucks me in!
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...nobody is ever going to make a Superman film as good as Superman: the Movie. Nobody. Ever. Best Superman ever: Christopher Reeve. Best theme music ever: John William's Superman theme.
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They could try to repair another fault of Superman Returns. When Supes returned after 5 years away, allowing the world to go to shit in his absence, how come Lois is the only person who is pissed off at him?
You'd think that if she won the Pulitzer for her column "Why The World Doesn't Need Superman", it would be evidence that the "world" agrees with her. -
I am not seeing that as good Conflict... I mean it seems like predictable conflict that an audience would see coming and know the outcome of. Thus leaving a dissatisfied audience.
I see the value of it as a philosophical discussion but not as a Film/ Movie. At least not for a Superman Movie. -
I think Nolan's comic book credentials are squat. His knowledge of comics is NEGLIGIBLE. If it weren't he could dump that hack Goyer. Nope, Nolan has applied the Bond template to Batman, that's all. I don't think Christopher Nolan has read a comic book since third grade.
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let him do it..
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balls to the wall action! lex is president and puts a bounty on superman - he then has to fight EVERY FUCKING SUPERHERO. they all believe they're doing a patriotic duty. superman just hates lex. batman is along side him the whole film. it's fucking GREAT!
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Directed by David Fincher. Word.
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... or we've split into parallel realities, a la LOST.
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People would be fucking pissed he decided to disappear and call him selfish. Humans are like that, you know. And does anyone other than Luthor really know he's an alien? Did Lois write a story about his origin? Cause if not, Luthor could really play up the alien angle to get the people on his side instead of Supes.
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I have a deep, irrational, SEETHING hatred for Power Girl. Stupid fucking character. You want to put Supergirl in your story? Then just put fuckin' Supergirl in your story. Fuck that retarded "no really, she isn't Supergirl. Really she isn't!" character. Fuck fuck fuck.
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that hasnt been said before...so he wouldnt be interested.
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You don't want to see that internal debate within Superman regarding who to save and how much, am I right? Do you know what you would like to see? Superman in some super-powered fights? I'd like to see that too, but I think we could have both in one awesome movie.
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Lois wrote about that in her first column about him, "I Spent The Night With Superman."
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... was a great movie. I think Singer already knows where he fell short. I think a Singer follow-up would be in the X2 league. He's really got something to prove after a string of unsuccessful ventures. I don't think he'd go near it now though. Having a creative behemoth like Nolan watching his every move would surely be too much for his pride/ego to stand.
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it was a gangster movie right?
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Luthor could still use that to his advantage. Claim that Supes *wants* to be King of the World, etc , and this is his way of creating fealty.
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I'm slow today, sorry, but what do you mean Nolan can't do anything with Superman that hasn't been said before?
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Because he resists tempation. His greatest victory isn't over some supervillain but his own human nature. Anyone else had Superman's powers it would be a nightmare. They would either use those powers to satisfy every whim or desire and fear no consequences or else and conquer the world, or be a benelovent dictator who would oppress us as they create their own version of utopia.
Superman resist such tempations. He knows that being a benevolent dictator is still a dictator and imposing his will on other through his unearthly power. Superman uses his powers on humankind the same way the US should use it's military might - sparingly and only if it fits a very specific criteria. -
She's beautiful and funny and can act. Brandon Routh should stay.
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sky capt..rocketeerand Superman '30
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I would dig a detached godlike Kal-El really drifting away, and something emotional(Lois?) bringing out the rageaholic in him.
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on Chuck, there was a throwaway about his character being a "Superman-type". Thought that was amusing.
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The only movie his style is suitable for. And his penchant for slap stick comedy might actually work in a film like this.
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It's not as bad as people say, if nothing else it's a beautifully designed and shot film, glorious to look at. but it would have been a lot better if Singer had laid of the homages. I agree, the real estate plot sort of derails the whole thing. Jeff Bridges was a much better Luthor-like presence is Iron Man.
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Have Movie-Luthor figure out a way to fake a "Kryptonian Invasion Force".
It'd be tricky writing if Movie-Luthor isn't reimagined as a corporate dude, but if they really emphasized that he's supposed to be the smartest man on Earth (rather than simply the man with the biggest ego, which is how he's been written so far), it could work. -
If Singer's film was such a success, why is Warner Bros going to reboot it? Why didn't we get a new sequel announced right away. While it probably still made a lot of money, it didn't rake in the cash like these execs now expect from the "blockbusters".
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I thought Routh was fine as Superman/Clark and have no problem with him reprising the role, even in a "reboot".
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Why not?
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it means i like him as a director but he cant add anything like he did with Batman..it took it to the extreme realistic way...and made it really dark and not that comical...a far cry from schmacher and even burton..as far as im concerned superman 1 and 2 got it right and most of SR..taking it into another direction would feel false and if he continued in donner and singer's path, he wouldnt feel challenged...singer was a fan of donners films, so it was a passion project for him...nolan needs that spark of challenge and creativity to work.
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Yeah I agree in order to have a really great Superman Movie both could be incorporated. However Being a Superman Movie he is gonna Save the day regardless with Little to no Collateral Damage. that is what makes Supes fun. Fun- yes Realistic- not so much.
And yeah I think it is high Time we Saw Superman Unleashed on the Big Screen Throwing Ungodly (yet not Omnipotent) Powers around on something. Be it Giant Robots or an Asteroid Swarm or Something! Supes II so far was the only decent Super SuperHero fight we have gotten from the franchise so far. i think it is time revisit something like that. -
Seriously, if I have to sit through another fucking Superman vs. Powerless greedy land baron one more time, instead of fighting a Super Villian with powers rivaling Supes' I'm going to fucking hurl! Superman Vs. Darkseid for #1 choice. Supes has to stop an alien invasion from Apokolips. That would be epic.
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I think they could have some awful catastrophe befall a part of the world. Millions dead. Some people blame Superman for not being there to save them. Superman, in despair, decides to start saving everyone. Starts thinking a little about maybe making people do good... giving in a little to that temptation that ContinentalOp spoke of above. That way the Studio is satisfied that we have this internal dilemma within Supes (the gritty) without making the movie dark. Then we learn that the catastrophe was the brainchild of Lex Luthor in his bid to make Superman fall from grace. In the end, Superman becomes a hero by resisting those temptations to be the benevolent dictator demi-god. I think that could satisfy both filmgoers and the studio and would be about the level of grittiness needed for a Superman movie.
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Needs at least 100 lbs. of muscle.To start.
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have Supes up against world-destroying mega-villians. show why he's the strongest super hero.
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For the love of God?
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If they'd ended the movie with Lex still in possession of Superman's magic crystals, it would have left so many awesome doors open for the next movie.
Would you love to see a truly frightening and psychotic Lex Luthor using Kryptonian technology against Superman?
What if Lex finds the crystal that contains all of Krypton's cutting-edge military technology?
What if he finds the crystal that explains how to access The Phantom Zone?
Hell, imagine if he simply found the crystal that explains Krypton's economic system? That alone could give him the edge he needs to take over the world!
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Feb 09, 2010 12:45:23 PM CST
Sixies, I see what you're saying but I think there's more to Sup
by yackbacker
What Subs talks about is something that hasn't been explored seriously (about Supes having to make a moral decision on when to act, when to abstain)- heck, if anything Dick Donner's first Superman laughed in the face of that matter when Superman spun the Earth backwards to save Lois.
I think there's a lot you can explore with someone like Superman that isn't necessarily angst-ridden or gritty. The guy is all-powerful. Imagine someone in that situation. They'd be like "Okay, now what?" And the answer to that question is what's interesting about Superman. -
The only good thing about the original Superman movies are the soundtrack (amazing), opening 15 minutes on Krypton in part 1, and the "Kneel before Zod." speech in part 2. Everything else is MINDNUMBINGLY AWFUL. Now, NOW, we'll FINALLY get to see a good, maybe even a GREAT Superman movie. I CAN'T WAIT!!!
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Not as detached as Dr. Manhattan. Supes does feel, he has empathy. He wants to do good, but his internal conflict and fear of doing so, is putting an enormous starin on his psyche, because he see the good he can do but fears the aftereffects. Vader and Killanx, yes he has a life, but he picks and chooses who to save and who not to. And he will always be held accountable for not saving such and such or so and so. Yes vader, I think it would be an awesome subtext to the story. Yes, i still wants me action, but the subtext of a conflicted God on Earth, would make this the finest super hero story of them all. Which means we will never see it.
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Sorry, Zooey is wonderful, geeks, but she's not Lois Lane. Rashida Jones would eat Zooey alive if they worked at the same newspaper company.
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I won't wear a bald cap or let them do it with CGI, as I don't want to LOOK bald, either. If I'm to take the part, I demand that they give Luthor some hair, not just a toupee. I'm too old for the bald look, I need my vanity.
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So he can exclusively fuck you up the ass repeatedly, like he did to the rest of us with T4. Except you seem to enjoy being fucked up the ass. So have fun with that.
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its just that studios are SO fukken greedy that every film after the successful one has to make more money..oh but also cost less...
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I am very happy its not you working on the movie. That sounds effing boring.
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Batman is a human seeing the world as mess of moral ambiguities and compromises, trying to set an example to rise above it all. He aspires to be the example Superman is by default.
Superman is inhuman seeing the world in simplistic primary colors, trying to understand the complications that hold humans down. He aspires to be able to understand the nuances of human hopes and fears that come so naturally to Batman.
If I were doing a reboot, I would scale back Superman's strength and invulnerability ... fast, strong, tough, but somewhere down around Iron Man levels, able to stand toe-to-toe with common criminals and sticks of dynamite, but not battleships and nukes, but still operating in the same scale as policemen and firefighters rather than lifting continents out of the ocean. I would also give him an almost anti-gritty aura that causes attempts to stain his reputation to fail, attempts to challenge his morals dissolve into easy black-and-white choices.Only once he faces a trial so great that it overwhelms his invulnerability, forcing him to face real self-doubt and real fear, can he understand what makes heroes out of ordinary human firefighters and policemen and find out if he has that within himself.Whoa ... sorry, got carried away in my imagination there :) -
bow-chicka-bow-wow!
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I thought the Superman rights were reverting to the creators families in a couple years and there was not enough time to get another film off the ground. Has something changed? Is an agreement in place?
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...that right now they're in the same position they were in when they hired Bryan Singer to direct Superman Returns back in 2004 (X2 was never the phenomenon that The Dark Knight was, and Nolan is probably the better overall filmmaker in the first place, but still). Landing Singer was a major coup, and they made sure you knew it; he was the goose who laid the golden comic book movie. Now it's 2010 and they're doing everything in their power to make you believe their next Superman movie will be good precisely because it won't be anything like Singer's. So how did this happen? Well because when you have a formula for success, I'm guessing it's pretty easy to confuse hype with quality. Maybe this time around (assuming Warner Bros. is actually trying to re-invigorate/boot/whatever the Superman franchise), they should try harder to find the best possible story than the hottest possible director. Not that Nolan wouldn't be able to help make a good Superman film, but I wouldn't automatically assume he had it in him, either. Otherwise it'll be 2015 and we'll be getting promises that Superman 1.4 will be nothing like the last two reboots.
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...and it was unsettling to look in a mirror, even then.
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Of COURSE we gotta have Superman in some super-powered fight. I hadn't worked out how to get it in there yet. An alien invasion force, the first hints of Darkseid, perhaps, Luthor teaming up with them and their technology to create this "catastrophe" in another part of the world. It'd be a way to get Supes out of the picture early in their plans.
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Feb 09, 2010 12:48:59 PM CST
GaryOldman, slippin' around on alternate timelines, too.
by subtitles_off
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Take a well known director from another great comic book movie franchise and put him on Superman. What could possibly go wrong? oh wait....fuck
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Feb 09, 2010 12:49:29 PM CST
Superman Returns Is One Of The Worst Movies Of The Decade
by laserpants
It's really, REALLY terrible. I can't wait to see what a REAL director and artist does with Supes.
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but doc. manhattan fit that perfectly...about a superbeing SO out of touch with whom hes protecting...
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Along with that whole piece of shit Smallville franchise.
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I suppose you are correct about the timing of when they safely fucked in order to conceive that incredibly wimpy and annoying kid they had. However, I would equate busting a nut to sneezing, rather than shaking someone's hand. There is no reason to believe that Superman has any more ability to regulate the force of his nut blast than the rest of us do. Speaking of superheroes and sex, I have just learned that to "spider-man" is to cum in your hand and then fling it at someone web-slinger style. I hope they employ THAT in the reboot.
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They aught to set this thing back in the 50's and get John Hamm to be supes ! c'mon..Don Draper as superman would be fantastic !
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i can think of one film worse..
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That polar bear-loving, giant spider-worshipping hairdresser will *not* have a leg to stand on when he goes up against Christopher Nolan. Bryan Singer has no backbone.
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But yeah, I spose he would be doing the Ozymandias thing, only Luthor's plan is much much less benign.
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Feb 09, 2010 12:51:31 PM CST
He can turn back time but he can't control his spooge?
by royston lodge
That doesn't make any sense to me.
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Clark was an alien who became human when he was adopted by the Kents. They have different stories, different arcs.
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It means it's going to be an intelligently written, meticulously crafted Superman that actually plays to the characters' strengths rather than beats off to it in the screening room ala Bryan "Hack" Singer.
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but no matter what he WILL NEVER be HUMAN..
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I gotta take my ditto back from LaserPants and give it to someone else.
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First! ;-)
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First! ;-)
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The way he portrays Clark Kent/Superman in that book is different than anything done on screen (including tv). And it felt completely authentic/real/and it was true to the character.
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It's the role he was born to play. PLUS, he can act real good!
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What you are suggesting is Interesting i just dont know that it fits into Superman Story.
I mean he would have to put himself in that Role as Global peacekeeper. which i do not think the character would Do. I mean it seems Superman is of the position where he will Protect mankind from threats that they cannot Protect themselves from (i.e. Supervillians, Alien Invasions etc.) However If Russia invades Georgia is not his responsibility. Such things humans can deal with. Of course if asked by the UN he might help mediate something but he would not be put into the position of Global Watchdog. -
a comment on the idea of a superman. The human to alien inversion offers readers a chance to step into Osterman's shoes.
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Feb 09, 2010 12:57:09 PM CST
There IS a problem with my theory of Tantric Superotica.
by royston lodge
I just realized, if he'd so good that he can control the power of his spooge, then how the hell did Lois get pregnant?
Then again, he did learn about sex from the public school system in the great state of Kansas. Maybe he thought she couldn't get pregnant the first time?
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He's trying to be humanistic- he believes in humanity, the good people can do, etc. What he wants is to protect humanity from the evil that exists in the world. He sees his powers and, guided by a set of morals, decides he must serve humanity, not rule it. He appreciates human beings whereas Dr. Manhattan loses touch with them completely. You cannot compare the two dramatically. It doesn't add up.
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I'm not sure which you agreed with and which you didn't. If you care to, could you elaborate?
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They see Dark Knight's success as being because it was dark and gritty, not bc it was well-made. Same reason they see Paranormal Activity's success as being the fixed-camera thing, as opposed to a creative idea and good marketing. Hence, their thought is not "let's find the next creative idea!" its "Let's do another one EXACTLY THE SAME!!!"
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Feb 09, 2010 12:58:01 PM CST
Fast track that Batman Sequel for 2012. It will be the last movi
by lostbat
And as for Supes...Give it to Michael Bay and bring in the Doomsday Story..It will rock!!! Now we know why Goyer stepped out of Flash Forward. Bigger things to work on!!!
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Feb 09, 2010 12:58:21 PM CST
"I'm curious what they're going to do with Superman's son."
by dursman2000
Here's what -- NOTHING.
No way they make a follow up to a film that was a major disappointment creatively. Financially it did OK but they could tell from DVD and merchandizing sales, if not fan reaction, it wasn't worth doing a sequel to (whereas BATMAN BEGINS was).
I hope Nolan doesn't go all dark and gritty. Or has Hans Zimmer doing a brooding, theme less score like THE DARK KNIGHT.
But to me, ANYTHING is better than Bryan Singer coming back to make "Superman Spy Kids".
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Superman is more American than Captain America. He is for truth, justice and the American way. He is bright and shiny and uncorruptable. He is not "dark and gritty". Hollywood doesn't get stuff like that. GI Joe was a failure because they don't "get it".
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too fucking scrawny..scrawnier than reeve in superman 4
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whatever ....bring it on!!
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Amazingly perfect casting suggestion. He can do light and dark with 100% conviction. He is CC.
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But it was more of a "where does this shit all end?" kind of discussion on that type of character. Moore's deconstructionism is skeptical of the super-hero itself, that's not what this new SUPERMAN movie will address.
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Whereas Superman cares too much.
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Feb 09, 2010 1:01:05 PM CST
He is a hero, but either his alieness keeps him from acting
by toadkillerdog
Or, the humaneness instilled within him by the Kents, is tearing him apart because of his inaction. Consider, he is Clark Kent first, not Superman. He was raised with a strong set of morals and values. He was raised to never use his powers for his own good. He was raised to never use his powers to interfere with Man's destiny. He wants to live a normal life with love and friends and family. But he is also a reporter - he sees what life is like outside of teh comfort zone of his family and city. He is also Superman, he see's suffering around the world. And he knows he can alleivaite it. But he does not. Why? We suspect he feels because of the way he was raised, but could a benevolent human with the power to save so many lives - not act? And if he feels, but does not act, then how could he not be conflicted? He is either tortured and paralyzed by his fear of acting - if he has true human feelings, or, he feels nothing at all and is only faking it and playing out a role his parents assigned to him.
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Nolan, call him up.
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He gets depowered, then they can proceed without fear of sexdeath.
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Jon Hamm is a good actor, but he is already playing the part he was born to play. He exudes the persona of the good-looking yet smarmy, sleezy, amoral character he plays on Mad Men and I could not look at him playign Superman without thinking that at any moment he might decide to fuck Jimmy Olsen's girlfriend if it satisfies his immediate needs.
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RETURNS was, easily, one of the worst films of the decade. Among the films that weren't, obviously, intended to be bad.Nolan's "Godfather"-ing Superman doesn't guarantee "intelligently written, meticulously crafted" anything.Jon Hamm sure has the face I think of when I think "Superman onscreen," but he'd have to bulk up and shred to pull it off, physically. I want a Superman as far removed from the Chris Reeve template as possible. I'm not saying dumb-buck bodybuilder, but I do want an original, not another copy.
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...KK! Doh!
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Like Christian Bale did after the Machinist. Nope. No way.JON HAMM IS SUPERMAN.
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youre characterization of supes all all been seen before so i dont know HOW nolan can further mythologize him...thanks for the book idea.
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I'd prefer Mark Waid be the go-to comics guy for Hollywood.
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You all know it. If not him, who else? He's friggin' PERFECT.
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Feb 09, 2010 1:05:20 PM CST
If anyone says to put the smallville cast in superman needs to b
by blackbriar
The show is Shit!!! Horrible Acting!! Nevertheless,Great News for the new Superman And Batman films
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That's why he's in that ridiculous, bat-shaped linebacker costume.
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"Mr. Nolan, Mr. Nolan, we want to make Superman dark and gritty how do we ..."
"Black leather"
"Er, OK, that's good, umm, we also were thinking your take on the new Green Lan ..."
"Black leather"
Anyway, I agree about dark as in psychological conflict - whenever I think about Superman in a "dark" sort of tone, I think more about Alan Moore's (and later Gaiman) Miracleman. It has the aesthetic tone of the traditional Superman, but the underlying theme of "What does a 'god' do among mortals" explores some dark territory.
As much as some may hate Miller, the way he portrayed Superman in TDK Returns, is pretty outstanding - he keeps his disconnect with humanity, his sort of god among men, forced to "serve", but with the gritty (I sort of hate that word all of the sudden) foundation.
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And don't make it dark like Batman, that's not what Superman is.
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Nolan is great. Would love to see Superman really going back to his roots, and have the story set at the time of the first Action Comics story. It would be really fresh, a new approach to the character. I wonder if mainstream audiences would go for that.
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Thank you. Donners version was good for its time, but Reeves Superman is just not that interesting. He is incredibly cookie cutter. That was cool for the 80s, but its a new era for comic books. The definitive Superman is the Timm version, no argument.
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batman wearing shit like that is acceptable cause hes only a man...superman needs to be strong looking and shouldnt need the help of padding..and bale was ripped as shit..
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I'd like to think that Nolan will cinch it being a homerun, but I guess it isn't a guarentee.
And I think Hamm is pretty much dead-on. He could easily bulk up for the role and make it work. I don't think he seems like Reeves AT ALL, other than that they both have dark hair. -
...SMALLVILLE's cast isn't "shit."
Erica Durance is THE Lois Lane IMO, freakin sexy and smart and funny.
Everything weak Kate Bosworth wasn't in Singer's misguided flick.
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And it should be used, as that's what defined him, just as Bruce Wayne was defined by becoming an orphan following a violent crime. But as you said, Nolan found something new in that genesis, and I think there's more territory with Superman than you anticipate. Like I said, check out that book- it's a unique telling of the myth, it explores Clark's psychology in a very distinct way, which is right up Nolan's alley.
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Dude, he's, like, totally ripped.
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studios want many films..so hes out..
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Carla Gugino as loise Lane to Jon Hamms Supes...again, set in the 50's
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Can we have some action in this one please?
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OK we all thought Returns was a great idea when we heard that Singer was onboard and what direction he was taking, but it turned out boring with zero originality and not enough spark to make that irrelevant (Avatar - not original but had everything else going for it to make us forget that). IMO Supes CANNOT work in a serious movie, it needs to be fun, crazy, bright, action-packed (even if it's mindless), Bay-style fuckaroo.
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I'm not a big fan of TDK but the scenario of that movie fits Superman more than Batman.
A hero faces an immoral foe who is no match for him physically but will test his morality and his endurance. The villain will constantly use the heroes moral code against him and threaten innocent lives to force him to quit. In the end the villain will have pushed the hero to the brink but he will not kill the villain, despite knowing that he won't be stopped for long and will continue his evil ways, because killing is his biggest taboo and the one thing he'll never do no matter how tempted or justified.
just replace Joker with Luthor and Batman with Superman and you have an outline. Plus for all those saying Kal-El needs to face a physical challenge: so far Batman has faced Scarecrow, Joker & Two-Face. Hardly tough fights for Batman, but they weren't there to challenge him physically; they are there to challenge his courage, smarts and moral convictions. That is the same type of villain you need for Superman. -
Katie holmes was imposed on Nolan by the studios. Nolan originally wanted Natalie Portman or, whis first choice, Emelie Blunt to play Rachael Dawes. My only hope is that, now that blunt is a much better known actress, she gets the part of Catwoman in a next Nolan's Bat movie.
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Hehehehe, jump on that slab of raw meat, you hyenas!
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A morally adrift hero works for Marvel Comics. Superman's the clear, shiny, red and blue ideal writ bright and large in exaggerated tones and hues.Angsty, questioning, political Superman sounds like a kick to the nuts.
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Feb 09, 2010 1:17:15 PM CST
killianx - It is a story that has never been truly explored
by toadkillerdog
Say what you want about Nolan, but at least he put the notion of a 'real' world Batman and now Superman into play. In the case of Batman he did not go far enough, Batman is a card carrying psycho. A self appointed vigilante out to assuage a guilt and revenge complex you could float the titanic on. But if you go down thay road , you also realize that Batman suffers from a vanity - he no kill policy that allows his greatest foes to kill and kill over and over. Why, so that he can recapture them again and again, and prove his superiority - because he did not kill. And yet, how many lives could this self appointed vigilante save if he did otherwise? Superman, on the other hand, has powers and abilities so far above mortal man, that he is a God on earth. And yet, he has never exercised them fully. He either can not for fear of losing control and wanting to control the world -albeit in a benign way, and thus refuses to go beyond a certain point - even though he could save lives. O he will not, because he does not care. I say the former, and because of this, I say that he must be one tortured man, because he knows he could really make a difference - but he will not do so.
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I dont like Smallville. Tried it for a while and from time to time I pass over it on TV and remember why I dont like it. But Tom Welling feels more like Supes to me the older he gets. With the right team behind him Im convinced he could do it and knock it out of the park.
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I can't wait for them to explain how Gordon figured out how to pin all five of Two Face's murders on Batman within the span of a couple minutes. That was a pretty dick situation for Batman to leave him stuck with.
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Punching bad guys. Lifting something heavy. Saving the kid's pet, every once in awhile.Keep the moral relativity out of my fun-time.
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set him in the year he was created and made for! have him leaping tall buildings in single bounds (not flying) have him more powerful than a locamotive (damn, thats tough) have him faster than a speeding bullet. which is why i guess he can leap so fucking far. yes superman. he's a man, and he's super!
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Zooey D for Lois for years now.I can definitely see Carla as Lois, but think shes a bit too old now. And I thought Routh was a great Superman and agree the problems with the character came from the script.
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Feb 09, 2010 1:20:53 PM CST
Excuse me Merricke! Your first reaction wasn't to put your fist
by hallmitchell
Great story!!!. Go Chris Nolan. When i walked out of Superman returns i predicted it would be twenty years before we saw another stand alone superman film.
I would like to be glady wrong on this.
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He might be ripped, but he still needs about 15lbs more of muscle. Batman is a heavyweight, not a light heavyweight. And when you are using only your fist you better make sure you have enough size to supply KO power.
Being Batman means you have to never lose, because if you lose you'll end up dead (in the real world, which is what Nolan is trying to present, villians don't put unconscious heroes in death traps - they slit their throats). -
That is all.
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I thought Superman II had a dark gritty side to it's story until Lex showed up in the scenes.
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but I don't understand how ANYONE could have liked Superman Returns. The plot was just incredibly stupid. First of all, Lex Luthor's plan didn't even make sense. How could anyone possibly live on those ugly, jagged, mountain-like Kryptonite islands. Second of all, why would anyone pay Luthor to live on those unlivable looking monstrosities, especially after knowing he wanted to kill millions, No Billions of people. It made ZERO SENSE...
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Kind of like a wheat chex.
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nolan needs to stop wasting his time and talent with superheroes.zzzzzzzzzzzzz.
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He true blue all American boy...that's it.with batman you can tweak it a little and still be faithful to the source. Superman is so absolute in his moral code that you can't do that without be false...hence
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Nolan is a godsend to comic book geeks. He takes the material SERIOUSLY.That said I don't think he's going to turn Superman into The Dark Knight. He will make it mature and realistic, but not nihilistic and twisted like Batman's universe is.Of course, he might make it MESH with TDK's universe....on the road to makingthe Batman vs. Superman film.Can you say "BAD FUCKIN' ASS!"?
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Being Superman would be a logistical nightmare.
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Portrayed as he is in the comics. As a tough, stoic supreme alpha male instead of the goofy, awkward recluse he has been portrayed as so far on film. hey I love Donner's Superman as much as anyone, but I would LOVE to see a "tougher" Superman make the journey from page to screen.
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Think about it for a moment. Really think.Now, convince me that's not going the wrong way down Superman's one-way street.
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His plots are the maniacal kind in thebooks... Like SPECTRE.
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That is not always a good thing because a lot of us 'remember when'. However, every generation feels that life was better in their time, simpler and easier. But that is a purely subjective thought. Comics became more mature, thanks to (or not) Marvel. Comic book characters evolved as well. Bringing in some real world insight might upset some diehards (hell too much of anything can be bad - unless it is Monica Bellucci), but it can also result in storylines and conflcits never explored before. Giving a whole new and maybe better or at least different take on an old concept. Not all old concepts are to be treasured or are sacrosanct. I will say, that Superman should never kill and never act for his own benefit vis-a-vis using his powers. That being said, kill the kid, and reboot this sucker.
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I'm not saying go heavy-handed like TDK, I'm just that scenario works better for a Superman movie.
Plus I never Superman would be all angst over it, but I do think you can show him tempted and resisting that tempation. He could destroy a Luthor robot, give him a look that says "I could just have easily killed you" and walk away proving he's Luthor's moral superior.
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Feb 09, 2010 1:29:10 PM CST
There's a problem with the "angst-ridden superman" idea.
by royston lodge
Supes would learn REALLY early in his career that he cannot be everywhere at once, and that he cannot save everyone. Unless he's a complete retard, he would come to terms with that sad fact very quickly, and just resolve to do his best. That's really all he can do.
The general public, on the otherhand, IS completely retarded. Every time he fails to save the day, and "allows" innocent lives to be lost, the general public would turn on him.
The "inner conflict" of being fallible isn't what would make that sort of storyline interesting. Rather, the interesting bit would be about how the world sees Superman.
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I don't want to think Supes should be smoking every time I see him on screen.
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You know I hate agreeing with you on anything, but i have said pretty much the same thing about SR.
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Seriously sick of that character.Subtitles_off....I'm thinking about it....really thinking about it....and deciding that is a WAAAAAAAY better way to go than the hokey horshit of Superman Returns.
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in there, I'm all for it.
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Welling owns the role and this new generation sees him as Supes, thats one reason Returns was not as popular, Welling is too well known now, and most see him as Clark. Durance plays Lois perfectly and has superb chemisty with Welling as well has being the hottest Lois ever. What can I say, Rosenbaum is awesome as Lex and he plays him as a dark, brilliant, slightly paranoid but insanely intelligent egomaniac who believes he should be the savior of mankind.
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So you can stop spouting off as if you knew what you were talking about too.
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The way Singer's superman dealt with the public, and the way the people looked up to him for inspiration was perfect. Too bad the other 50% was Superman being a stalker who never has a fistfight.
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and from the Neil Adams era onward they've had a perfect balance of fun, darkness and depth. There's no doubt that Nolan's films were smart and superbly directed; but there is also no doubt that he can't film a decent fight scene to save his life.
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Is that he DOESN'T get all fuckin' emo because things don't go his way. That's what WE would do, not what SUPERMAN would do. Superman is supposed to reflect what is BEST in humanity. That why Superman Returns was such an epic FAIL! Superman is not a stalking, deadbeat dad who cries when his ex denies she ever loved him when he knows DAMN WELL that she did. He also shouldn't be trying to kiss an involved woman! I mean FUCKING CHRIST what the fuck is wrong with Bryan Singer?
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Talia can be both a villain and a love interest for Bats. She's out for revenge against Bruce for killing her Dad, but falls for him instead. Add a secondary villain, say Hush or Riddler, and there you go!
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it's that Superman wouldn't give a fuck about public relations.
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And, yes, no matter how you try to apply contemporary, real-world issues to comics, you get angst. Why can't we have bug-shit crazy, colorful fantasy from our superheroes? Just once? THAT'S something you haven't really seen in a superhero movie yet.
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SUPERMAN!!!!!
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Then he sacrificed KO power, which would undermine Batman in a fight. Batman doesn't use weapons, he uses his fist. He has to KO his opponents with one or two blows or else he'll get overpowered.
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Doesn't he have a trilogy already written? Use it!
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ruled...
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Jon Peters still being involved is not.
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...is to completely miss the point. How lame.
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I have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. You mean like Sky High of My Super Ex-Girlfriend? Maybe Sharkboy and Lavagirl? I'm sorry but....THOSE MOVIES SUCK GREEN MARTIAN DICK!
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what more can they do with the character without repeating themselves?
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what more can they do with the character without repeating themselves?
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No one, we are talking subtext. Subtlety, which is what Nolan lacks. He prefers using a hammer to drive home concepts. Batman is "Dark Knight" Harvey Dent is "White Knight" get it, huh, do you get it, let me drive it home again, and then show you that it was all role reversal. Uh, no. Yes, the world would want Superman to do more, and the only way he could do that is by taking over. By tramping on sovereign rights, and eventually ignoring them altogether in the name of the greater good. He cant be every where at once, but he could be a helluva lot more places than he is. He chooses not to do so. You would think Lois might call him on that, or at least bring it up.
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what more can they do with the character without repeating themselves?
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what more can they do with the character without repeating themselves?
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I don't think I've ever seen a "you have unlimited power you just need to call it up when you need it" story I've liked. They always come across as dishonest or disrespectful. The action in Superman Returns was weak because except for the "how to I land this flimsy plane in one piece?" scene, all challenges (even kryptonite) to the infinite strength of Superman were made empty and hollow.
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RETURNS is angst-ridden and morally ambiguous. It's crippled by the weight of its REAL-WORLD pretensions! I think of SUPERMAN RETURNS as a companion piece to BATMAN BEGINS. They're book-ends. Blah as all hell. Not an ounce of fun in either one of them.You're not thinking hard enough, because you're on the wrong track.
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40s 50s or 60s.... or 30s. Would be fucking awesome.
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That's what they told Dick Donner. They were wrong. When you think of the best parts of the first 2 Superman films....were they the goofy shit that didn't make sense like the deadly saran wrap "S", or were they the cool, REALISTIC emotional scenes with Lois Lane? You know like his rage when Lois died? Yeah. You suck.
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you want subtlety--watch INSOMNIA. there are many layers to those characters and multiple arcs and motivations for them all..
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If you want Dark and Gritty --- Nolan should do Philip Wylie's Gladiator --- the inspiration for Superman --- In this story "Superman" eventually goes to dark side and decides a race of supermen should run the world --- a eugenicist wet dream.
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when zod and co. visit "Houston" and its one fukken street!
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The greatest cover of all time with the greatest comic book artist that ever lived!
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He is Kalel, that's it. Period. End of discussion. And Erica Durance is Lois Lane.
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Yes, morally corrupt and "angsty" as I have ALREADY IDENTIFIED, but also the HOKEY HORSESHIT of Lex Luthor and his minions. You know, like when "the greatest criminal mind of all time" didn't actually think about having enough gas in his helicopter to leave the island.
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But Superman has always tackled real world issues. Look at the Golden Age or the radio show, or even in the early Silver Age he was facing allegories for problems people were facing.
Superman has always been - and works best as - a metaphor for the US and the human beings dependency/fear of technology. Those are two real world issues that should be shown - but as subtext. If WTWTA can be an allegory for becoming an adult, Superman can be more than just power fantasy fulfillment. -
Singer's Superman was:
-Moony
-Built like a swimmer (I want my Superman barrel-chested)
-Sporting V-cut bikini briefs outside his tights
-A stalker
-A deadbeat dad
-A date rapist
-Incompetent (grabbing the wing of the plane.... what a fucking dumbass)
-In need of rescue (by Lois' Husband... Superman should never be rescued unless it's an excuse for a wet T-shirt scene like in Donner's movie)
-A vapid fuck... Clark Kent is not supposed to be a total cyhper the way Bruce Wayne is. He's a brilliant journalist.
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I saw Insomnia, and it is indeed good. Nolan did not write it, so that may be the difference.
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Gee, I dunno. Superman "struggling" with world-ruling-dictator expectations kinda screams "power fantasy wish fulfillment" to me.
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I LOOK AT THEM AND SEE NOTHING WORTH LIKEING. I AM GOING TO COME TO YOUR HOUSES, WHERE YOU SLEEP, AND IM GOING TO CUM IN YOUR FUCKING FACES! BASTARD IN A BASKET!
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She can do it this time!
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Feb 09, 2010 1:51:47 PM CST
I WILL BE SEEING NOLAN, AND WHEN I DO....
by daniel_plainviews_mammoth_angry_erection
I WILL BE TAKING MORE THAN MY MONEY BACK.
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That was one angry-kryptonite infected mofo wasn't it? hahaha!
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trying to keep the asteroids from landing on your girlfriend's car. For seventy-five minutes.Two and a half hours of subtle moralizing for the audience.Um, I'll go with the space bugs for once.
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I find all Nolan's subjective fear-gas shots to be a very fun and different aspect of Begins. The technique was not repeated in The Dark Knight.
I know it's not strictly speaking "fun", but I smile in the four or five scenes during Begins when we see what a gassed person would see.. especially the black-bile Batman, and Scarecrow's horse breathing fire. Those shots felt like something out of a "Legends of the Dark Knight" or "Shadow of the Bat" comic from back in the day. -
Feb 09, 2010 1:53:58 PM CST
WARNER BROS DRINKS NOLANS MILKSHAKE
by daniel_plainviews_mammoth_angry_erection
THEY DRINK IT UP! SLUUUUURRRRPP !!!
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And, I really wish we (I) could get to see another Superman movie that good on the big screen.
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I want to keep this short so someone actually reads it. If you're Chris Nolan, godfather/overseer of the new Superman film(s) here is what you SHOULD do. Lay out your epic Superman trilogy (trilogies are all the hype these days). Hire your director for all 3, cast your principals. Clark, Lois, Jon and Martha, Lex Luthor, etc etc. Have Luthor be the serious billionare he is as depicted in the cartoon series. I always liked the Billy Zane suggestions. But I digress. Pick your "secondary" villians for the 3 movies. 1. Metallo. 2. Zod. 3. Braniac (and have Braniac always be lurking in the background of the other films). Cast all the roles and start shooting. While the first Superman film is being shot, you simultaneously shoot a movie called "Krytpon" with a different director/actors/etc. From this movie, you'll have your Jor-El (who will only need to be seen in small bits in the Superman film being filmed at the same time so scheduling shouldn't be a problem. Zod will be in place, Braniac, etc. These are the stars of these films. Make it an epic 2 hour science fiction masterpiece. I can talk about all the different things they could do, space battles, show us the various councils, etc but I don't want to drag this on. Here is a reference for Krytpon's history http://tinyurl.com/y9757bh. Have this movie end in 2012-like destruction with Jor-El racing to get his son off the planet. The movie ends with the rocket leaving. "Superman: The Man of Steel" opens with the rocket landing in Kansas. Buy your tickets on fandango now.
KRYPTON: 5/23/13
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No really. Jet Li and Steve Austin are the same thing actors. One knows a bunch of Kung Fu moves but that doesn't make him a fighter - it makes him a well choreographied fighter. Plus Austin is bigger, stronger and his fake fighting is just as dangerous - pro wrestling moves are based on catch wrestling.
Secondly Batman doesn't just punch, he kicks, elbows and knees. All of those things require force, which is that simple math formula of MxV=F (mass times velocity=force). By keeping his weight down Bale's Batman has hampered his ability to deliver powerful blows.
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Just do it. Pull everything you can from All Star Superman and just do it. People will understand and those that don't aren't worthy of having watched it anyway.
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That was Superman! Neal Adams is a pencilling God!
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Feb 09, 2010 1:57:00 PM CST
CATWOMAN IS THE BEST SUPERHERO MOVIE OF ITS KIND
by daniel_plainviews_mammoth_angry_erection
THE DISPUTE IS FUCKING OVER!
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can we get Brainiac up at the Fortress of Solitude fighting Supermans droid and some polar bears.... also how about a big fucking spider!!!
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Feb 09, 2010 1:57:28 PM CST
You know what happens when you try to make Batman "fun"?
by revenge_of_fett
Batman & Robin.NUFF FUCKING SAID!
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SLID OUT ON HIS MOTHERS FILTH!
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Iron Man.
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are we? Nope. The subject is SUPERMAN. You know there's a difference.
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Feb 09, 2010 2:00:16 PM CST
Conti, I thought he mean the Six Million Dollar Man Austin
by toadkillerdog
Dang, I am old. But That Steve Austin would Kill Jet in a heartbeat.
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The way to pre-assess the quality of the movie will be the treatment of Brainiac.
If Brainiac is a giant skull-shaped spaceship, it's all good.
If Brainiac takes robot form and walks around, it could go either way.
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NEEDS HARD UTILITY NIPPLES
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Or Superman III
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CMON MAKE IT HAPPEN. dude is absolutely perfect for the role. Lex as an evil senator hell bent on becoming President,using fear as his weapon behind the scenes to push his agenda. just use dick cheney as a reference point and we got ourselves a story.
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Feb 09, 2010 2:03:19 PM CST
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Feb 09, 2010 2:03:22 PM CST
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Feb 09, 2010 2:03:23 PM CST
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Feb 09, 2010 2:03:24 PM CST
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Feb 09, 2010 2:03:27 PM CST
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Feb 09, 2010 2:03:27 PM CST
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Feb 09, 2010 2:03:29 PM CST
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Feb 09, 2010 2:03:29 PM CST
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Feb 09, 2010 2:03:30 PM CST
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Feb 09, 2010 2:03:31 PM CST
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Feb 09, 2010 2:03:34 PM CST
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Feb 09, 2010 2:03:34 PM CST
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Feb 09, 2010 2:03:45 PM CST
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Feb 09, 2010 2:03:46 PM CST
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wasn't this and the terminator scoop the type of news AICN used to break before it started relying on other sites to do its job for it?
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I say "subtext". Every good movie, even kid's movies, has stuff below the surface. I'm talking about what Superman & a Superman movie should be about. That doesn't mean we have bold faced print declare what the theme of the film is every second.
Brad Bird made two good comic book inspired movies - the Incredibles and the Iron Giant - and both had deep themes - if everyone is special no one is and how you are who you choose to be. Well Superman can have deep themes without being heavy-handed as well. -
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Jon Hamm! Jon Hamm! Jon Hamm! Jon Hamm!! DOOOO IT! Also fucking YAY to actual batman 3 news in forever.
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Hmm. I like it.
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If Bale was too bulky,then when he was wearing his batman armor,he would look more like a huge wrestler,rather than a flexible ninja.
His armor,which by design makes him look bulkier,balances his less muscular body.
For a similar reason,they didnt hire Arnold to play Robocop.He would look like a giant with the suit. -
Thanks for ruining any coherency here
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was the one propping up Batman begins as some sort of retarded evidence that Nolan doesn't know how to direct supwerhero films, despite FAAAAAR outgrossing and out-popularizing any other attempt. he said Batman Begins had "Not an ounce of fun". I was merely pointing out how sub-humanly retarded a statement that is. As if the death of the Waynes should have been some sort of fucking Pixar adventure!
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Feb 09, 2010 2:09:24 PM CST
Right on, 'Lop, but both of your examples had something else
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too, fun in big, big doses. I'm not buying Christopher Nolan as a Brad-Bird kinda guy. No way.
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Also known as Winona Ryder's Pussy Juice. I recognize that rant anywhere.
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If they do use Brainiac they should look to I Robot for ideas on creating a robot that emotes well enough to be an interesting villain.
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I'm not saying that they should have been campy, or even "light-hearted", I'm saying that the action scenes, cinematography, and costumes lacked imagination. Those stories have always had a tinge of "dark fantasy" too them. Nolan's films were more like the Godfather in a cape.
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Feb 09, 2010 2:11:24 PM CST
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Feb 09, 2010 2:11:25 PM CST
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It was called Batman & Robin.
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Feb 09, 2010 2:11:41 PM CST
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Feb 09, 2010 2:12:09 PM CST
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cmon!
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I disagree with you; therefore, I'm a retarded douchebag.You have absolutely no conception of my point so just keep riffing on your same meme.Yeah, if BATMAN BEGINS was fun for you, good. For me it was boring, pretentious and big chunks of Tumbler-shaped stupid. Now, call me names.
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I'm just throwing out story/theme ideas.
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trophy..simple. yet to the point.
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I'm fucking stumped too, Sixies.
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I always wondered what that would be like.
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whoever hasnt seen it yet.its hilarious but it does make valid points about the movie's plotholes:
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well you can take a taste of what it would be like in the below link.the photo is 100% real.
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Bale has to be slimmer, but "realistically" he should be about 20lbs heavier, all muscle for fighting reasons. And that lack of mass is noticeable when Bale is out of costume.
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what fucking point you are trying to make. The Nolan Batman films FAAAAAAAAAAR outshine any other incarnation of teh character and, shock of shocks, actually reflect how he is portrayed in the comics. If you don't like Nolan's take, you frankly don't like the character. I also can't even comprehend how you can possibly say the costumes and cinematography lacked imagination. You DO realize TDK was nominated for 8 Oscars including cinematography and Art Direction right? *sigh*
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calm down.. all this fun is making you mispel
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Someone brought up wanting to see Superman hit someone... I still think the best Supes moment I've seen on film was his showdown with Darkseid in the JLU cartoon.
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making yourself look like a retard. All I'm doing is throwing it back in your face.
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and he's become a much better actor so they should give him another shot. I'd love to see Welling but that won't happen. And I only know Jon Hamm from SNL but he looks the part.
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This guy explains the obvious- that the body is an action figure: http://tinyurl.com/ye3hh9s
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In three hours!?!?! Methinks the geeks am ready for some super Superman! All hail, Nolan!And can someone please get Daniel Plainviews banned and delete his juvenile shit?
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But for me the aspect of the character that was missing from this film incarnation was one of the most important ones..his athleticism. All I saw was a guy clunking around in a heavy Robocop outfit. They may have gotten some character points right, but the aesthetic was all wrong.
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Really ?!?!I remember back-when Cage was doing the Tonight Show and he talked about the costume being the black/blue version of the mid 90's... But, if that was really what they where going for then it might have been an interesting disaster.
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Over 500 posts 'cause Daniel Plainviews needs to be shot in the face. Repeatedly. For all to watch. Make it so.
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That's the only way I imagine Nolan would send this. I'd love to see a bold brutal re-imagining, because Singer played it soooo safe like someone wearing three condoms when fucking a virgin.
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which is the opposite for most every other comic film.
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I don't know where your attention was during the film but I can assure you batman was displaying PLENTY of "athleticism".
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i dont like batman? is that what yer saying?
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For once, I actually agree with some of the fan suggestions I've seen on a talkback. I think Rashida Jones or Zooey Deschanel would be fun as Lois. The keys, of course, are to cast someone who is at least 27 and to write the part as a spunky, intelligent, independent co-equal/rival/love interest to Clark and not a nagging wet-blanket devoid of any likability (see: Superman Returns). If they cast some Gossip Girl actress or pop star, I will boycott.
Jon Hamm as Supes in the Fleischer inspired 30's would kick all sorts of ass, but we all know that it's not happening. We can still cross our fingers for a DC Direct to DVD animated version based on the "It's Superman" novel - I would pre-order 10 copies of the Blu-Ray IMMEDIATELY if Warners had the cajones to do it. For a modern Supes I still like Brandon Routh (he is actually gettting old enough for the role now) and Hamm would be too perfect for it to happen.
Lex: business tycoon version. Has to be simultaneously slimey and likable. Robert Downey Jr would be inspired, but he's a little busy. James Spader?
Zod: Gerard Butler.
A note on the musical score. John Williams' Superman theme is synonymous with the character. Please keep it! Don't even combine it with new themes like in Returns. If you can't hire Williams, just pull a Superman II and hire another composer to use Williams' music. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. -
Feb 09, 2010 2:36:59 PM CST
I'm saying if you think Adam West's Batman was King...
by revenge_of_fett
That you're a FUCKING MORON! Is that clear enough for you?
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1) You cannot hit your face with your own sperm by bending OVER the couch.
2) The pick omninus linked to is a FAKE. Look at the body- it's a plastic action figure. The paint on the chest bleeds where the collar is!
3) Nolan doesn't film action scenes well. I love him anyway.
4) SUPERMAN is not going to be automatically DARK and GRITTY because Nolan is involved. OK?
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reflect the times...west reflected the groovy times, and bale reps the disallusioned 00s..one is not better than the other..and if you dont take my word for it WHY NOT TAKE THE MAN WHO CREATED IT--he said kilmer was the best..
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as much as Bryan Singer did with Superman Returns. That film was horrible! So will they still use Brandon Ruth or will they find another actor?
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100% agree. From the beginning to the end of the Timmverse Superman run, that was by far the highlight. I want to see that shit on a movie.
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Seriously, who thinks that nerdy bitch is hot? She's like the new Maggie Gylenhaal, and you see where that got you!
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It's really all just fast cut away camera work and some slight elbow movement. Any one of us on these forums could do that. Ordinarily this kind of thing doesn't carry much weight towards my enjoyment of a film--except when it's a film about Batman.
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as he imagined him. Well who looks more like Val Kilmer, Adam West or Christian Bale? See fuckwit?
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Kilmer was ok though.
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best superman moment,after ofc THIS:
http://tinyurl.com/mclmow
thats the problem with SR,it didnt have scenes like the abover or from SM2,when Kent sees at his first time of his life his own blood.instead we get superman stalking his ex.nice job there mr Singer. -
Zooey is WAY better looking than Maggie Gylenhall (watching TDK, I hadn't cheered at a character's death that loud since Leo sunk under water in Titanic).
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They went out of their way to get all these great Key-si martial artists to choreograph and train for those scenes---and then filmed them where you couldn't see a damn thing??
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And they mostly involve Val Kilmer.
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now you're arguing with yerself..jackass troll chasing his own tail.
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You didn't see him cutting through the Chinese guys? You didn't see him decimating the SWAT guys or the dogs? Were you too afraid someone would notice you had pissed yourself?
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Of all the Superman stuff I've read Red Son is the most interesting one, despite it's flaws. They should adapt that and see the stunned faces of public accostumed of boring boy scout in blue and red.
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You're the one saying "Adam West is the best fucking Batman OF AAAAAALLL TIIIIIIME!!!!!"That's ALL YOU dog! i'm just saying you're a simpering douchbag for admitting it let alone even thinking it.
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...is what I would like to see tonally, although the story structure doesn't really fit a Hollywood trilogy boot. Again, how about a Direct to DVD animated version, please?
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Hopefully Nolan can expunge all memories of the crap fest that was Superman Returns from my memory.
There just seemed, aside from the dour stalkerish tone to the film, some really deliberate kicks in the teeth to people who might have expected something different from a Superman film - you know thinking it was something they could take their kids to.
Supes getting beat up was almost like a rape scene...it was hugely distasteful in how it was done.
Gratuitous shot when he saves the plane that shows Routh was wearing Herman Munster type lifts.
Shocking shot as Supes was setting off to do the traditional fly-by at the end of the film where, if you'd given me a crayon I could have done better than the CGI they used.
It all felt like some smart assed cock-sucker giving the finger to Superman fans. Films are films and not the be all and end all but I truly came out of that film more angry than I have ever been.
FUCK OFF SINGER!!!!
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but i was just pointing out your oown hypocrisy...you are saying that these new films are the ABSOLUTE version and there can be no other...anyone who likes the others or does not like these new one are retarded.yet you like kilmer and some scenes...fail yourself
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ACTING LIKE THE BATMAN IN THE NOLAN FLICKS!You CAN'T seriously be this stupid!
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did you retroactively like them, meaning you NEVER liked BATMAN FOREVER before the nolan films..or did kilmer travel into the future to see what Bale was gonna do?fucking idiot..keep digging
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Congratulations on changing my screen name into a barely-intelligible insult. "Throw-rug?" really? I've got no time for this foolishness. I'll let you get back to your special needs classes now.
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you just like the most modern films--hey you're in luck they are making a new daredevil and spidey film...glorious day for the FETTman!
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BALE ACTED LIKE BATMAN IN THE COMICS!Somehow this is fucking brain surgery to you. *rolleyes*
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Keaton did the best job with portraying the psychoses that lies just under the surface. the one scene in particular, where he nailed it, was when Jack invades Vicki's home, and Keaton is there as Wayne. Joker is trying to be menacing, but Keaton keeps egging him on, almost daring him to act - and he has no protection whatsoever. But he does not care. He is living in the edge in that scene and loving it. Physically - Bale is the best of the lot, although he still is not great. Bale is horrible as Wayne, and brings no gravitas as Batman either. Clooney - was a massive disappointement Kilmer, did a decent job, much better than expected, but had too slight of a frame, and was too glib. West, well he was my childhood favorite, and I will not speak badly of him, but that was pure caricature and camp, but he was great at it!
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Batman 3 should introduce Superman into Nolan's Batman world. An origin story, but seen from the outside, not the inside. Batman runs into a problem he can't handle, Superman saves the day. Channing Tatum will be Superman.
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im just going off of what you typed brotha!BALE ACTED LIKE BATMAN IN THE COMICS!--two dimensional?
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Fett, it's clear that YOU'RE THE MAN NOW, DOG!!
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It's plain as day.
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is one of the most under-rated blockbusters of the 00s.
He adds to the mythos that is Superman by making him more human - he has feelings of doubt etc, rather than just saving the world all the time. I watched Donner's II the other day (for the 1st time in a year or so) and Singer's film follows it beautifully -
except for the Flaming Lips song
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Wayne's motivation in that scene was to draw Joker's fire because he already had the silver serving tray under his shirt. don't think he was actually losing control. Batman is a control freak. He never loses his cool.
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Oh, but you can guarantee he will be.
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Oy. You'd think he would nail the playboy billionaire. Oh well.
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I know they won't, just curious with the legal stuff. Or how about future movies?
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I thought Kilmer sucked as Batman. In the scene where he has his shirt off, it looks like he's never lifted a weight or even done a GD push-up. And his whole performance is so sleepy.. to me he's the worst movie Batman next to Clooney. But I like an actor around Clooney's age. I feel like Batman should be slightly older than Superman, at least in his late 30s.
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But SR is not exactly a masterpiece so what else have we got to lose? I say good luck, Godspeed, and may Zooey agree to do Lois. That alone could save the franchise - they can cast Vern Troyer as Supes and it would still be awesome.
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Dark, brooding, technical, serious, the weight of the world on his shoulders, thinking he can outsmart and outplay villains.Like I said, if you don't like the Nolan Batman...you don't like Batman.
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They can do whatever the fuck they want with whatever DC Comics characters they want.
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Hmm. To each his own I guess, but in my mind Bale is the only one so far who has done the best giving the character a balanced portrayal. Hes still no Conroy.
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If only.
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Those who do not believe Nolan is capable of doing both don't give the man enough credit.
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..t.hat we will probably see two different actors portraying Superman on the big-screen during Smallville's TV run, yet Warners thinks having a young Bruce Wayne episode of Smallville will "confuse the audience." What a bunch of dipshits - no wonder they can't make a decent movie without Christopher Nolan.
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Feb 09, 2010 3:18:07 PM CST
ADAM WEST REMAINS THE BEST INCARNATION OF BATMAN EVER
by bringingsexyback
Bale second.
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And although he ushered in a "rennasaince" with TDKR, he included a bunch of weird shit too, stuff I don't consider Batman universe canon, such as a tween girl Robin or a Joker that can break his own neck just by turning his head, etc.
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Is gonna have a lot more quality time to spend with his couch! Booyah!
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Whether Singers extended homage to Donners Superman wasn't somebody just desperately copying anothers work because he didn't have a clue how to make a Superman film.
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Portrayal as yet... So it is you who's the dipshit
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Wonder no more. The nail has been hit on the head.
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Feb 09, 2010 3:23:49 PM CST
I agree, Mr. Bag. Fett's assertion is one a 12-year-old
by colonelfatheart
would make. The Animated Series was the best Batman depiction beyond the comics. And I like the Nolan movies.
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Both easy on the eyes. Neither Lois Lane material.
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'nuff said.
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But there's only so much depth they can get into with a G rated 22 minute episode. They DID manage to get some twisted shit in there though. Mad Love is a prime example of that.
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there's a villain that's too powerful and it ends with Batman all pissed off on the phone saying I need your help....Clark. Then the superman movies are prequels to that. Bam! Zillion dollars.
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"“It would definitely not be a followup to Superman Returns."
Shit. Give Bryan Singer the chance to direct a follow-up, I FUCKIN' LOVE SUPERMAN RETURNS.
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Nobody's going to think "OMG, Superman is going to die". At best we think "Man, I wish I were Superman. Nothing can hurt him." but we shoud think "So glad I'm not Superman, I don't have to make these hard fucking choices." You want to see Supes struggle - but you need a smart, cold, calculating Lex pushing his buttons. He should want to strangle baldie, but he can't even take him to court. That's Superman. He could rule the world, but he refuses to take the law into his own hands - even if it's about a monster like Luthor (who should make The Joker look like a common punk, when it comes to the damage he's doing.) Superman TAS got it, why is it so hard to do a good Superman movie. We can have monsters and aliens and supervillains and shit, but have a politician/business man/genius Lex in there. Supes needs to fight the status quo, not some outsider, like he did in all the movies. He's changing the world. That's why he's a beacon of hope.
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I've said it once, and I'll continue to say it: You can't make Superman interesting as a superhero. His only weaknesses are magic, kryptonite, and his emotions. To do Superman the right way, you have to concede that he's basically a Greek god, and treat him as such. And a Greek god either fights Greek devils or rules the world.
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uses Superman Returns' waify underwear model Superman as a fucking RUBBER!
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Are when Superman becomes a fascist and takes over the planet. I highly doubt that would ever be a film, but a guy can dream.
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made Robin work on the big screen, and not making it a gay/pedophilia joke. Yes, the movie sucks, but for that it deserves some kind of medal. I loved that shit as a kid btw. You did too.
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Aww darn, I missed all the fun.
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I don't get what's so great about these alien characters. Doomsday is just a strong monster. And what the hell is the difference between Darkseid and Mongul for example? It's a serious question.
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That said, the two of them making out would blow my mind.
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So because it was a half hour cartoon (based on comic books for kiddies) it wasn't deep or there was no character development....I'm...I don't even know
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Wanting to fuck himself in the ass and swallow the cum.
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In all honesty, I hope Brandon gets another shot at being Superman (if he wants to, of course). IMO, it wasn't his fault Superman Returns sucked ass. That blame should fall squarely on the shoulders of Bryan Singer -- he completely ass raped that film to death!
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Feb 09, 2010 3:41:05 PM CST
I've seen more character development in an ep of pokemon
by six demon bag
Than bales batman
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Shitty remake? Dude, your opinion is now completely meaningless because you are obviously a feggin moron.
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that it was a SERIES of 22-minute cartoons.
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Ya know....thats interesting.
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Nolan's Batman films are not gritty at all... they have a lush, classic film feel. I hate people who think serious= gritty. Stupid
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Feb 09, 2010 3:42:59 PM CST
Six Tea Bag, I'm not surprised you don't know how to respond
by revenge_of_fett
See.....now a NORMAL person could readily admit that a PG-13 2 1/2 hour $185M film might have a few more instances to develop a more intricate plot than a G-rated 22 minute animated TV episode. Because of course that's true.But you just sit there drooling like the ass-picking chimp that you are.
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Ok Gluecifer, I'll just go tell that to Batman Begins, Casino Royale and the Marvel-tastic Incredible Hulk. Reboots are the best thing to happen to movies in the 2000s. They've saved us from shitty sequels and years of developmnent hell. It's a studio actually saying "we took this great character and F'd it up, so we're going to start over." The reboot I'm dead against right now is Spidey - in this one case it is really too soon. They should find really back off and let Raimi do his thing. They meddled too much on 3 (forcing Venom on Raimi) and we saw what happened.
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and decide to recast Superman as older - get Jon Hamm on the phone.
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What the fuck was Tim Burton on when he came up with that shiny Andy Bell inspired oufit? In fact they should make a movie about the debacle that was the Superman Lives project, with Kevin Williams played by Bruce Willis, Jon Peters played by Joquim Phoenix and Burton played by a giant piece of lint.
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So you are contending that the animated series had a more layered, subtle plot that developed characters and touched on contemporary themes...more than TDK did? Am I understanding you correctlY? Please, do explain. This aught to be good.
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Feb 09, 2010 3:45:43 PM CST
FUCK THIS! Nolan is a horrible choice for Supes - horrible
by professor_monster
superman is apple to batman's orange and please please please please please please please please please please keep all the darj grimy atmosphere that works in Batman out of Metropolis. We don't need a grim Superman - wanna know why - because THAT IS NOT SUPERMAN. An upllifting Superhero movie should not be taboo. The character is supposed to make you feel like anything is possible - it's supposed to make you feel good. You are supposed to marvel at the man of tomorrow then wish we had people like him in real life. He is the fantastical, while Batman is nothing more than a detective (the world's greatest as the covers once claimed). Warner got into this mess once and you'd think they'd be smart enough to avoid it a second time - when Singer walked in with his magical tea bag of tricks they dropped trou simply because of his X-men films (they are not Superman), now Nolan is given an overlord position strictly because he's had some luck with Batman (who is also not Superman) - Woah is me - A brit overseeing America's Greatest Hero - the last time they did this we got superman 2 and fucking Supergirl.
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Is WHY Warners has had such a hard time coming up with a good Supes movie. Its not that hard I think. Ive heard plenty of good ideas floating around (except for Royston Lodge).
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I feel your pain. I'm guessing what they are having a hard time with is balancing the action with the lovestory and trying to figure out how to explain his alien origins without having to go through the whole Krypton thing again.
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Feggin retard.
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Ever see Superman 1 or 2? Begins and TDK were great but they learned from the superman films(1-lengthy origin, 2- dominant villain). I guess 3 would have been Richard Pryor.
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Yes, see I'm still waiting for you to describe the OVERALL PLOT of all 4 seasons of Batman: TAS and how it is far more balanced and impactful than the story presented in TDK.You were so sarcastic in your post I could only conclude this was common knowledge and easily provable.*crickets*ColonolFatheart?Hello?
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The reason can be summed up in 2 words: Jon Peters. He needs to be shown the door or made a (very) silent partner. There is a cool book called "Superman vs. Hollywood" that summarizes all of his horrible ideas and decisions since he was put in charge following the success of Burton's Batman 20 years ago. This man has had YEARS to deliver a good Superman film and clearly doesn't understand the source material. He is obsessed with action figures and vehicles and happy meals (you know, in the BAD way). Cut the cord, Warners!!!!
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SHIT. The superman shit...may... MAY be true, but there is 100% NO BATMAN movie in ANY stage of development.
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I think a big prob has been being stuck with the Reeve portrayal. I just look at the Timmverse origin and characterization and it blows my mind that they dont use that as a basis and just flesh it out.
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That is the single most hilarious statement in the entire history of the English language. Nay, in the history of the written word! Just putting the word "masterpiece" and "Superman Returns" in the SAME sentence (let alone equating the two) is damn near genius comedy.
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Also a good point.
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...to the next Superman movie. "Did you see that Superman Returns movie? Well, don't do that shit. Now where's my 7-figure check?"
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2200 minutes of an entire series would outweigh a measley 2.5 hour film and I would correctly say captured the tone of the comics far better than tdk.but I was speechless at your inane and stupifying remark that a tv show can't be satisfying...Lost, sopranos, arrested development, fraggle rock and star trek would seem to disagree
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Goddamnit that is a good idea. Holy shit. I've been thinking who has Lois Lane quality out there, I couldn't think of anybody. Also: I know it's a flamable opinion, but Vin Diesel in full Riddick mode as genius, sociopath Lex Luthor...
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What a happy day it would be for me if they brought Bruce Timm and co in as consultants on every DC Movie.
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Have Lex Luthor hatch an elaborate plan to endanger thousands of innocent lives as he attempts to acquire vast amounts of real estate... Well, what's wrong??? Please don't tell me they've done that angle already!
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Two words and you can't even spell them right. Disagree? fine but call your boyfriend in the room or get your dad out of your ass and ask them to type your feelings for you.
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No need for a detailed defense. I need only point to Wayne/Batman's relationship with Talia throughout TAS as an example of layering/depth advantage over TDK. There was more truth in the cartoon's depiction of that relationship than the Dawes/Wayne/Dent triangle in TDK. Rachel was just bait in TDK. She was passive. At least in Batman Begins, despite Holmes' shitty acting, the character had some sense of self-purpose. For all of its virtues, TDK does suffer from a cardinal sin in writing or storytelling: telling and not showing, particularly in dealing with personal relationships. Again, I can forgive this since TDK draws its strengths from elsewhere, namely the escalating conflict between The Joker's and Batman's worldviews. The relationship stuff, though, never really rose above standard one-hour TV dramas. As for dealing with contemporary issues, sure TDK has the edge. As I noted before, I do like TDK. However, where is it written that Batman must absolutely, positively deal with contemporary issues?
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I don't know what anyone else thinks, but Spider-Girl in the Indian Superman clip sure got my walking cane sticking up.
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First of all, fix the damned suit. Routh looked like he didn't separate the colors in the laundry and a pair of brown socks bled all over his costume. The suit is BLUE, RED and YELLOW. Not freaking Bama crimson and goldenrod. And get rid of the corduroy cape too. Next, Tom Welling or Brandon Routh? Flip a coin. A good script will make either a star. Chris Nolan? Maybe. The best thing about both his Batman movies was realism. You can't have realism with a guy from another planet who flies and shoots laser beams out of his eyes. EMBRACE the mythology. Make Superman real but not realistic. You do that by eliminating the superfluous comic elements. No Otis. No Tessmacher. No silly Lexie. In fact, Lex has been done. To death. Next. Superman is about truth, justice and the American way. Sorry PC'ers. Play it like it was written. Let Supes be a hero again. No nuke dillemmas. No Lex Luthor. Yes to Brainiac or Darkseid or even Doomsday. Let the Man Of Steel BE the Man Of Steel. Let him fight. No moral ambiguity. Let Superman be Superman. Please!!!!
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Feb 09, 2010 4:11:16 PM CST
Also, to piggyback on Mr. Bag's point about TV series,
by colonelfatheart
often time constraints benefit stories. Another of TDK's problems was its bloat. I have no problem with long movies, but I do have a problem when movies are longer than they have to be. TDK should have run like clockwork, but the Dent/Dawes stuff was given more weight than the quality of writing warranted. Now that's not to say that the Joker's manipulation of Dent wasn't poignant. It was, but that's mainly a tribute the performances of the actors (Nolan obviously deserves credit for coaxing great performances, of course), particularly in the hospital scene.
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Adam west, king of batmans!
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Much as I love it...ditch Donners Superman Theme.
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It's one of the worst movies I've ever seen. It's also UNBELIEVABLY BORING. And even worse: EMO TO THE CORE.I echo sentiments written above -- Can MAN OF STEEL have Superman punching something? Preferably a devastating, god-level threat that seeks to destroy the Earth? You know, compelling villain, insurmountable obstacle, Farm Boy Space-God / Man of Steel saveth the world and all that stuff? Not so much, "WAH! I want my boyf, er, I mean, GIRLFRIEND back, WAAAAAAH!!! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!"
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Feb 09, 2010 4:20:12 PM CST
How on earth did Goyer ever get a writer credit on Batman movies
by randomwordrandomword
Did he bring Chris and Jonathan Nolan their coffee, did he proofread it? Did he write the first shitty draft, and the Nolan bros basically rewriting it from scratch. I bet that hack personally introduces himself as the writer of the Dark Knight to everyone he meets, and has it on his business cards.
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I don't think he's made his feelings on the issue quite clear enough yet
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A head-butt to you fine sir, SDB!
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A few things to make a successful Supes movie, based very much on the way Grant Morrison and Frank Quitely did it:
1. Supes is not invincible. Yes, kryptonite is the only thing that could potentially lead to his death, but his fights with super-humans and monsters can still be immense struggles without Kryptonite.
2. set it in the near future. Show us some tech that is about 20 years or so ahead of our time. It makes the world more compelling and can manufacture greater challenges for Supes.
3. Go to the heart of Superman and for crying out loud, spend more TIME with him. Don't just show him as Superman when he's doing super feats. Have him interact with other characters as Supes. Not as a silent watching eye, but as a true character all his own. It far too often feels like Clark Kent is the only character we get to see in Superman. Introduce a minor hero or 2 for him to bounce off of for a scene or two!
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It is RECAST. It is specifically stated in the fucking movie that Banner has been on the run for five years. The movie was released in 2008 and the first one in 2003. According to my math, that is five fucking years.
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hear him
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varied DC Universe world. Lots of threats to occupy his time, other storylines and heroes to interact with.
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I hated it. It was terrible. Indefensible, really, as anything other than a fetish stroke off piece for Bryan "I Ruined Two Franchises! One By Quitting, the Other By Being Too Fangay About It!" Singer. I bet he LOVED it, though, screening his own film over and over again, in between copious toots of the finest, uncut Colombian (coke, not men) and Malaysian boytoy body massages, he was like, "I finally did it! I finally had sex with Christopher Reeve as Superman!" His Epic Fail, then, was actually the High Point of his life. In a way, I admire the fairy for being so "sucked up into his mind" that he just had a total aesthetic meltdown. Man, he put it all on the line for the cornpone meets emo snort, weep n' stroke flick. Gotta love it...
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AGREED! All Star Superman is friggin' great. That's a book I use to make people see how Superman isn't totally fucking lame and can actually be totally awesome if written well.
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There's a kind of a take on a drinking game in my casa when I watch TDK. I drink every time Bale does the growly voice, appears out of nowhere, has a hot chick on his arm, etc etc - but when I hear ANYTHING to do with Dent being Gotham's white knight or ANY of that "he'll save us all" bollocks, I have to punch something.
Only played it once, nearly broke my hands and had to replaster the wall. No more fucking heavy-handed saviour allegories, PLEASE. It was boring as fuck and completely uncalled for. Unless Obama features in Bats 3, there's no need for all this political bullshit. -
He was a bland retread of Chris Reeves. Reeves was a brilliant choice to play Supes but it's now time to deviate from the damn Donner films and mine some of the more recent Superman literature for inspiration (Birthright, All-Star Superman, etc.) Routh could barely fill out the costume without padding...Superman is a Man, not a boy.
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Too tiny a frame? Dude, she's not a superhero, she's the damsel in distress who's smart, funny, cracks-wise jokes at Clark's expense... and as for her complexion, that's just fucking silly. She looks Sicilian, even if she's half Jewish/half Black, she's the model of racial unity. SHE'S A SYMBOL OF ALL WE CAN BECOME IF WE MATE WITH KRYPTON! BRING US YOUR SUPERSPERM!
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The entirely new origin sequence during the opening credits showed that to be the case.
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Its a sequel but they rebooted his origins. Very weird/rare.
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All that opening credit sequence does is retcon his origin. That doesn't make it a reboot.
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Show some fucking respect. Yes, Goyer fucked up BLADE by making that risible third movie, and his GHOST RIDER sucked. But he did write the first draft of BATMAN BEGINS, and had more than a hand in TDK. And as fucking terrible as his output is these days, that man co-wrote DARK CITY, which is no less than a stone-cold SF masterpiece. Not to mention co-producing FREAKYLINKS, easily the best SF show NOT released on DVD WHEN IT FUCKING WELL SHOULD BE!!
So yes, Goyer is patchy at best, downright unreliable at worst, but he co-wrote DARK CITY and co-produced FREAKYLINKS. He gets a Spud pass for that... -
Splitting hairs. Incredible Hulk was an acknowledgement that the Sony Ang Lee Hulk sucked and they righted the ship. Call it a reboot or a retcon or Squeakwel for all I care - it satisfies my definition of a reboot.
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I'd say she looks F'ing hot.
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I found Superman Returns had a very bleak "Robin and Marion" feel to it most of the way ... sort of tired and regretful, but cast with leads who were too young for the part as written.When it was being originally discussed, there was a great hue and cry about breaking the mythology, so I do respect that the end product was made to flow as a direct sequel to "Superman II".
Unfortunately, due to Smallville's state at the time of the release, I think there was an oversaturation of Lex Luther in the imaginations of fans. The "stalker Superman" was a little too creepy and lifting a whole kyptonite continent into space was way over-the-top as an ending.But all that said, there were some moments of brilliance. The whole "does the world need a savior?" opening angle was interestingly framed but didn't really have an answer. The melancholy son-becomes-the-father ending works for a grand finale of the series, but the young casting of Lois and Clark screamed that they were expecting this to be a beginning, not an ending. -
I could never see her on Jersey Shore. Boom! Just joking JackSlater - feel free to make all the Irish jokes you want.
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Lois is white. Superman is white. Clark is white. Perry is white. Jimmy is white. If they need to black it up to be PC put Ron Troupe in. Enough with changing white characters to black.
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Her father was a GI
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ALAAAAAANIIIIIS MORRISETTE! alaaaaaniiiis morrisette!
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i dont see why we cant have a black superman.joooooking ofc.
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IndyCollector, relax, your armband is showing.
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Feb 09, 2010 5:06:18 PM CST
If Nolan directs he'll probably get Maggie Gyllenhall
by backrivercatfish
and nobody wants that! I think we can all agree.
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Brilliant brilliant brilliant.
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If I had the rights to Luke Cage and changed him to an Eskimo would that be ok?
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Why does his statement mean anything else than what he said, LaserPants? Why completely stigmatize him like that?
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and everybody will be happy.
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I think Chris's brother and Goyer will do a good job. Someone said Supes should be gritty? You're nuts... Superman is American as apple pie... the antithesis of batman. If I were to ask someone, “Who is Superman?” I would likely get… He’s a superhero…a good ole boy from Kansas…who’s raised by two great foster parents and goes on to fight crime. There's a lot more complexity to the character that I'm sure Nolan can bring out. Superman has great adoptive parents…but is an orphan…he’s the only one of his kind…he has no one he can relate too. He’s isolated from the rest of the world…and the one person he loves…Lois Lane…he can never really pursue honestly (though I know in the comic books I believe they get married)…but, anyway… anyone who wants to get to him…will take it out on her.
I thought Brandon did a decent job... the only other person I can think of is Matt Bomer from White Collar.
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Nolan should seek the counsel of Richard Donner.
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finally lets get the 2 caped crusaders together and fight it out.
no kiddie supes.
Robin Tunney for Lois Lane
No Lex unless it is a Batman vs Superman.
no Zod.
no Robin
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I mean how lame is it that Superman nowadays is so totally all powerful and indestructable? He never was originally. Write a script about how our government tricks him into doing bad stuff by blinding him with this 'Patriotic' stuff-how they trick him into going to war against another nation and how Superman figures it out and tries to make it right but by then our govt. has designed an even badder foe to thwart him. Ther. That would be 110x greater than any superman movie so far.
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love the idea
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A Big man, but not a gym rat. The new supes should be a man in his 30's at least. NO BODY BUILDER TYPES!!! If you had those powers, and lived in the 30s/40's, would you be pumping iron? Nope.
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Love that guy. More Batman is just good news and hopefully we can get a really good Superman movie. I'm not a blind hater of Returns it's just that movie was a retread of the original. Lets get Brainiac or some villain who could actually be a threat to Supes in there.
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Been on the receiving end of a head butt. gimme a head butt, say rah
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if you guys read the 10-year fight to get this film off the ground in Wikipedia, you would see that Jon Peters needs an ego to stand up to him. The WB suits have gone thru every combination of actor, writer and director known to man, it seems.
If, and ONLY if Nolan has creative control, with no feedback from the toy-obsessed Peters, maybe we'll see a good film.
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Feb 09, 2010 5:39:47 PM CST
IndyCollector is white, Lois is white, Perry White is.. well yea
by yackbacker
Christ, you're an unstable dude. Good luck with that.
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Feb 09, 2010 5:41:17 PM CST
filmfanatic1, do you honestly think Peters tells Nolan anything?
by yackbacker
Nolan could have Peters killed in a minute. No, Peters is not creatively involved, WB sought out Nolan for this very reason, I bet.
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it's not Supperman without him. it's like the folks who bitched that Ledger could never top Nicholson's Joker, it's a pointless argument. and yes, Luthor is every bit as fundamental to Supes' mythos as the Joker is to Batman's. whereas the Batman/Joker dynamic is order v. chaos, Superman/Luthor is altruism vs. objectivism. Luthor is the Randian ideal, focused entirely on his own self interest. somebody nailed it earlier in the TB: Supes is a god who wants all men to be equal, Luthor's a man who wants to be treated as a god.
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I had the "pleasure" of having my head butted by Wesley Willis a couple times back in the day.
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i very much hope nolan and his team writes and develops the film in collaboration with a new director who can bring a different flavor proper for supes.
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make it a period piece. With crazy nostalgic killer robots and intergalactic bad guys. Preferably Doomsday and/or Brainiac. Jon Hamm for Superman.
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...makes me want to see the return of the Superman Mullet! Oh and in that vein, Rosie O'Donnell for Superman.
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...and no Singer too! Returns is the reason why Superman is in this mess. Never again!
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He's a relatively unknown mexican actor who did a few american films and is slowly becoming known by mainstream Holywood. Also, he can act "insane" like no other actor I've seen. He is your man, UNLESS you convince Daniel Day-Lewis.
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I REALLY like the retro idea. I remember Moriarity's article about that awhile ago -- imagine a Cohen Bros. retro 30s Supes movie. That would be great. But a Nolan / Hamm one could be pretty damn awesome too.
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In some cases, I agree. I think that Captain America should be white. I think Superman and Batman and many of the other superheroes who are white should be white. But Lois Lane? Does it really matter? And this Rashida girl looks like her; looks like she could pull off the sass that Lois Lane needs to have. And, btw, Superman is basically an allegory for Jewish immigrants in the US. Techincally, Jewish people aren't "white" either.
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we all know how this shit turned out: shit
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...who flies using a concealed prototype micro-jetpack. He'll be secretly funded by the government and the plot will involve the Obama administration unveiling him as an alleged 'super-being' brought to this planet to fight crime. FYI I got this is direct from Jettl93.
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and thorough.
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Strange how you can't seem to comprehend a simple question. Kindly point out where I said Batman: TAS "wasn't satisfying". Please, g'head. I dare ya. I double-dog dare ya. Oh, that's right, you pulled that directly out of the hollow between your ears.So let's focus for a second on what i DID say m'kay? Think you can stop picking your ass for long enough to actually focus on that?What the hell, let's try it anyway. What I ACTUALLY SAID WAS, that it's hard for a 22 minute G rated animated show to develop characters in the same manner a $185M 2 1/2 hour PG-13 rated film can. A claim you STILL CAN'T REFUTE, despite my tireless effort to get you to.Instead what you do is say "DERRRRRRR, what about LOST?" As if Lost has FUCK-ALL to do with anything.Please, just STOP BREATHING!
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"I need only point to Wayne/Batman's relationship with Talia throughout TAS as an example of layering/depth advantage over TDK"Yes, please. I'd love to hear you describe this relationship and how it blows away the concepts within TDK. I'm on the edge of my seat.
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You know what I mean. Yes it matters with Lois. She's an iconic character and should stick to the source material, as with all comic book adaptations. Beyonce's name was thrown around for Lois several years ago. Anyone agree with that? If not, according to liberal retards, you are a RACIST.
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... the character was created as a white. But even mroe importantly, it's that Beyoncé is not much of an actress, and worst, it's STUNT CASTING, cashing on one her name recognition and nothing else. It0's not only a bad call, it's even insulting. This is nothing to do with race, it has to do with being smart.
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you said that a 22 minute cartoon wasnt satisfying compared to TDK...why? beats the fuck outta me cause you're wrong...that 22 minute tv show YOU are referring to is in fact BATMAN:TAS...and i said you were totally wrong, cause over the entire series, there was a connective continuing arc...otherwise batman would be killing the joker in every single goddamned episode...
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No it's racism you RACIST. All white people should be black now. THAT is equality.
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The color questiona again? Geeeeezzzz!!! Just please get actors who fit as closely to the apearance of characters as possible. Changing colors is a distraction in more ways than one and serves no purpose. I am not sure about a Nolan Supes movie. Batman is dark. Supes is light. We do not need to make every super hero dark and heavy and deep and blah blah blah. Make Supes light and fun, bright and shiny. I thought one of the things that made Superman Returns so crappy was that it was a little too dark for Superman. Also, everything else about the movie made it crappy. I am on board with Jon Hamm though. Don Draper/Clark Kent is a good thing.
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No one else is doing it right these days. Give everything to Chris unless you want more Gavin Hoods running around with the keys to the mansions.
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Feb 09, 2010 6:29:00 PM CST
Superman, Daredevil, Spidey reboots? Get it right the first time
by kevred
So tired of studio egos and questionable talent botching these things, then more studio egos hitting 'redo'. Don't these clowns ever learn? Do it right from the start? Look at what Marvel's doing. Do that. Sheesh.
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But there's only so much depth they can get into with a G rated 22 minute episodeSee.....now a NORMAL person could readily admit that a PG-13 2 1/2 hour $185M film might have a few more instances to develop a more intricate plot than a G-rated 22 minute animated TV episode. Because of course that's true.you were insinuating that a cartoon couldnt be as deep and have character developemntbut then again you also said you like Batman Forever cause Kilmer acted like Bale...that makes no fucking sense either..fucking idiot...go to your room, no dinner for you.
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It's a weak cop-out to not maximize how powerful Superman is. It's a more interesting creative challenge to tackle that type of character than to just convert him into a lesser character.He stands far apart from the world--he's an alien. He shouldn't be approachable in that way.But he's not emotionally omnipotent; he's not intellectually omnipotent; and he can't be everywhere at once. That's what the first two Reeve films got right--they examined him as an emotional being, and his enemies preyed on that aspect of him. No one can take him on head-on. But he can be defeated in other, less brute-force-oriented ways.
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Feb 09, 2010 6:34:49 PM CST
What is wrong with Henry? Why is he in a wheelchair?
by sexual_chocolate
I haven't been on this site in ages and am very saddened by this news. Is it something he can recover from?
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Frank Miller's Supes from TDKR. He's pretty much a government lackey that wins wars for them. He takes his orders from a Reagan type president that does indeed blind him with patriotic bullshit and instructs him to take down Batman (who is practically considered a terrorist). This is a morally complex Superman that should be explored. I thought that Superman Returns was great - beautifully made - and for a lot of nostalgic reasons. But where are you gonna take it? What were they planning to do about the kid? I'd have to say that Singer and co. painted themsleves into a corner for the sake of an "surprising" twist. There's nowhere you can go with that version of the franchise and they should let it go.
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Nobody is friendly like in the good old days.
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Can you point to the word "SATISFYING" anywhere in there you little ass-digger? NO? Hmmmmmmmm, I wonder what that could mean? Could it mean that i NEVER FUCKING SAID THAT you drooling little tool? Um, yeah I think so.And just as soon as you can point out that I EVER SAID Kilmer was traveling into the future to mimic Bale would be helpful too. Don't get lost around the thread where I said Kilmer was ACTING LIKE BATMAN IN THE COMICS, don't let that confuse you from your little quest.Fucking CHRIST! Don't ever leave your house without a fucking helmet!
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Sorry.
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THEM DAR'S CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT! DERRRRRR HERRRRRR, DERP DERP!Wipe off your drool and get the fuck away from me you festering fucking imbecile.
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He nailed the pre-O'Neal/Adams version. The campy Batman from the 40s-60s. The one who fought Kite-Man & The Penny Plunderer, who wore a rainbow costume and would tell Robin to stay home because it was a school night.
West's depiction might not be your favorite interpretation of the character but it is completely legitimate and deserves respect. He plays Batman & Wayne as was he was written at the time: corny as hell (and West played him completely straight - he never winked at the audience). -
I'm just saying that if the 60's TV show Batman is your favorite.....you're a fucking moron.Just sayin'.
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West, as I have stated before was my childhood favorite. And he did indeed play the role to perfection -but it was the TV series that introduced the Camp to the comics, not vice versa. After the success of the TV show, Batman comic book sales went through the roof, and thus the CB was altered to reflect that. I loved West's portrayal - and still do, and because he played it straight, while everyone else was camping it up, it made it all the funnier. But because it was not the portrayal of the character in the book at the time, I think you have to weigh that against subsequent appearances by other actors.
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The guy is worse than Shatner! What's the line between the character and the actor? Not too sure with those guys.
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Hmmm. When has Batman ever taken orders or followed Alfred's lead in the comic book? Alfred since the 70s has always been Batman's voice of reason and morality but has never been his mentor.
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I can see people who rank him number 1, if only for the nostalgia.
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The original Lone Ranger.
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The show added Camp - not West. He played everything straight and serious. He played Batmas as he was in the comics at the time - a square jaw hero more whitebread than Superman.
I mean Club of Heroes? The Batmen of Many Nations? The Batman from another planet? Or how about Bat-Hombre? The camp was already there, the show just decided to focus on it. -
The TV show did not introuduce camp to Batman. The Batman stories in the 50's and early 60's were very campy. Even some of the late 40's stories were kind of campy. They were of their time and very fun.
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Feb 09, 2010 7:01:57 PM CST
I wish someone with a kind heart and generous soul would answer
by sexual_chocolate
I think the Superman Returns movie is what Bruno would call a "one off". That movie did more damage than my Bruno's velcro suit at "the la prada". It put him on the "outs" list and if it wasn't for his eventual love Lutz he'd still be on that list. Brian Singer is on the "outs" and will always be cuz he didn't finish what he started-like Chris Nolan is doing. Singer's Superman Returns = Gus Van Sant's shot for shot remake of Psycho. It was basically Superman One without an orgin story.
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Feb 09, 2010 7:02:07 PM CST
I wish someone with a kind heart and generous soul would answer
by sexual_chocolate
I think the Superman Returns movie is what Bruno would call a "one off". That movie did more damage than my Bruno's velcro suit at "the la prada". It put him on the "outs" list and if it wasn't for his eventual love Lutz he'd still be on that list. Brian Singer is on the "outs" and will always be cuz he didn't finish what he started-like Chris Nolan is doing. Singer's Superman Returns = Gus Van Sant's shot for shot remake of Psycho. It was basically Superman One without an orgin story.
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Superman is NOT dark, let's hope they remember that. I do still love Superman Returns, but I see why some may not dig it. This time around, make it action, character and more action. Make Lex an evil scientist and NO bumbling henchmen. Keep Routh- the kid was perfect.
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...about a guy dressed up as a flying rodent because it points out how ridiculous concept it is your a moron? But if you love a movie that shows a guy fighting crime without killing, using only his fist, while gliding around dressed as a bat you're a genius?
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Feb 09, 2010 7:11:34 PM CST
The TV show most certainly did bring camp back to the comic book
by toadkillerdog
Elements of camp certainly existed in almost every comic book from the late forties to the early sixties. But for most, it was not the prime focus, and Batman in particular had reversed course before the TV show re-introduced and increased the camp factor.
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Feb 09, 2010 7:11:52 PM CST
Singer second X-Men was a better film than the first.
by sexual_chocolate
Singer should have finished, but no. Now I am not going to call brent rattner a bad director, he's just shitty at making movies. Maybe he should direct rap videos.
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Unless it's, er, post-Crisis Lex? Heaps of potential with Braniac tho.
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you said...I like PIECES of Batman Forever...
And they mostly involve Val Kilmer. then you said... I like Kilmer when he's....
ACTING LIKE THE BATMAN IN THE NOLAN FLICKS! in whiich i responded--did you retroactively like them, meaning you NEVER liked BATMAN FOREVER before the nolan films..or did kilmer travel into the future to see what Bale was gonna do?then you said
liked Kilmer ACTING LIKE BATMAN IN THE COMICS!
BALE ACTED LIKE BATMAN IN THE COMICS! this all happened after you claimed that anyone who liked any other batman over Bale is a fucking moron...troll, thall shalt BackPedal®seriously it was hard enough dealing with your retarded bullshit the first round...lets not repeat the shit...
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That Cheesy show renewed people's interest in Batman. If it didn't come along and increase sales they were seriously thinking of cancelling him.
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ANOTHER Superman movie? Really? And does ANYONE think Nolan can brush the stink of of this franchise, and bring it back?
Their biggest problem has been, and will continue to be: GOOD LUCK CASTING HIM. Reeve may not have been the world's best actor (and I think he was better than most people give him credit for, for the record...) but he WAS the perfect man for that role. And RASHIDA JONES as Lois? HA. I think not. You know who MIGHT be good, actually, is Lena Heady... but, again, good luck finding the man who can stand up to HER. They'll probably just cast Bale as Supes too. Hell, that team-up worked for Batman, right?
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My HSX portfolio blew up today.
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Superman Returns is a Masterpiece!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA. The most overhyped Turkey EVER made, that's what it was!
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Feb 09, 2010 7:22:27 PM CST
Mcg is like a drug addict trying to understand his addiction and
by sexual_chocolate
Is an addict without a soul who doesn't care. Ratner is married to a broad who ran over a Mexican and didn't even go to jail. Rebbeca Gayhart. I picture her on a cell-phone or at herself in the mirror. The good thing about being Rebecca Gayhart is you forget about things like running over a stray latino child-here or there.
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and acts stupid because you like to point and laugh at how STUPID he looks over liking a character because he symbolizes the dichotomy of the human condition IS INDEED MORONIC!"BWAAAAHAHAHAHA! Bat Shark repellant! HA HA HA HA! That's so FUCKING STUPID! This is so much better than the post 9-11 worldview portrayed in The Dark Knight and the internal struggle between heroism and self preservastion!"FUCKING MORON!
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Thank you for ONCE AGAIN illustrating how COMPLETELY RETARDED YOU ARE! The fact that you can actually quote what was said, which REINFORCES how fucking dumb you....AND STILL NOT GET IT, only EMPHASIZES what a fucking mouth-breather you are! HA HA HA HA! Jesus Christ, talk about the tard that keeps on giving!
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Hehehe. Come on, all that negativity! When you were 13 years old, were you this cranky? Maybe...
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I hope you're right; Nolan may have the balls right now, but Peters is still listed as producer of the new one, and his take destroyed THE SANDMAN and past Superman films.
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some thoughts on batman nolan and such. first off i love his batman movies and was thinking why they're so awesome. because batman, is...a ninja. he is a regular guy, who trains to be an ultimate ninja. really, he has no powers other than his training. and the batsuit is a ninja suit, with wings, and a couple symbols and small mods to give it the bat feel. basically bruce wayne is a ninja vigilante. that's awesome. superman is the opposite. he's an alien with crazy powers. is nolan one of four people in hollywood with talent or something? how hard is it to make a superman movie entertaining.
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superman returns might have worked if it decided to be a remake of Superman 2 instead of one. Lex Luther's real estate scam in supes returns was so stupid---way cooler, darker, and more realistic in Superman One.
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i think there is room and demand for an amazing third chapter in nolans batman saga. however that has to be the last. whether it sucks or its the best, taking it furthur will ruin it. basically because, nolan takes everything awesome about batman and stuffs it into his movies without making them too unrealistic. after a third movie full of more stuff, there wont be many things to do with batman, other than outrageous stuff, which would be less realistic, and start to make furthur batman movies seem more comic-y like the originals. really i am hoping nolan makes an amazing third story, but after that i feel batman has run his course. they wont give up on him but after the third nolan batman movie there won't ever be a better batman series. i think the best villans for part three would be riddler and catwoman.
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After a five-year journey into the deep reaches of space to find remnants of his home planet of Krypton, Superman (Brandon Routh) has arrived back on Earth to reassess his place in a world that has learned to survive without his help. Returning to his Daily Planet reporter job as alter ego Clark Kent, he discovers that the love of his life, Lois Lane (nicely played by Kate Bosworth), has a new fiancé (James Marsden) and a young son. Frustrated, Superman attempts to reconcile with Lane, but their relationship is put on hold when supervillian Lex Luthor (Kevin Spacey) reveals his ultimate plan of destructive global repositioning (using Kryptonian crystal technology) that threatens to kill billions unless he can be stopped.
"Superman Returns" will be condemned by some for audaciously cribbing from the immortal 1978 Richard Donner feature film (the production says they're using it as a "vague history") that took the Man of Steel to the next level of worldwide popularity. I look at "Returns" as the sequel Donner's film so richly deserved but was consistently denied. Director Bryan Singer has proven himself confident and steadfast with his recent superhero adventures ("X-Men" and the flawless "X2"), but here he's made a unapologetic valentine to the picture that helped shape his sensibilities as an emerging filmmaker, and he's given spectacular new purpose to a character and franchise the silver screen has missed for decades now. It's nothing short of a superhero masterpiece.
The Donner tributes are sprinkled throughout the film (even the deceased Marlon Brando is resurrected briefly as Jor-El, Superman's dad), starting with opening titles that streak across the screen in the same 3-D design they did back in 1978, scored to composer John Ottman's celebratory reworking of John Williams's timeless theme. Ottman intermixes Williams's score in several essential places, but instead of sensing bitter thievery has taken place, Singer uses these callbacks as an emotional touchstone; shrewdly using the older music to instantly put the audience right back into the soaring feeling of flight and unabashed heroism.
Also disarming is newcomer Brandon Routh, who has the regrettable challenge of filling the beloved red boots of Christopher Reeve while also embodying a Superman for a younger generation who might not know the enchantment of Donner's film. Physically a perfect match for Reeve (sometimes unsettlingly so), Routh is given a wide berth by Singer to find his own voice for the character, and the young actor couldn't be better in the role. He captures every iconic Superman trait from bullet-swatting brawn to Smallville corn field simplicity with the same effortlessness that made Reeve a rightful legend in the genre.
The same could be said of Kevin Spacey's Lex Luthor. Miles away from Gene Hackman's habitually comedic reading of the role, Spacey turns Lex into an exasperated madman, blood-thirsty for revenge and seething with real-estate greed. Softened slightly by his girlfriend Kitty (Parker Posey, doing dimwit delightfully), "Returns" puts the menace back into Lex, and his final showdown with Superman is a frightful one that bangs horrifically with five long years of pent up fury. This isn't camp acting from Spacey; this is comic book villainy at its most cunning and cocksure.
Much like the "X-Men" series, Singer doesn't merely take the idea of superheroes seriously; he's willing to plunge to the depths of their darkest fears and profound human yearnings. "Returns" is surely chock full of jaw-dropping special effect set-pieces (one doozy features Supes trying to save a plummeting jet with Lois aboard from crashing into a baseball stadium), but while all the pricey eye candy fills the belly with tremendous satisfaction (the towering CGI and time warp production design here are the cat's meow), Superman's heartbreaking character arc is what ultimately drives the film.
Singer and his screenwriters (Michael Dougherty and Dan Harris) take special care fleshing out Superman/Clark Kent. He's a man who took off without a goodbye to find himself, only to discover his adopted home makes him feel even more alien when he returns. The outsider theme is touched on throughout the film as Superman comes to terms with the love he lost and the world that has figured out how to live without his helpful watch.
Routh plays these difficult beats extraordinarily well, imparting Clark with a humbling deep-seated regret and Superman a critical emotional vulnerability: he can stop bullets and save millions in the blink of an eye, but the sight of Lois with a human life he's unable participate in is an emotional barrier he's powerless to overcome. Singer isn't worried about showing the pure balletic grace of Superman's bravery, especially with a hefty technological upgrade from the 1978 film that's used to dazzling effect, but the moments that penetrate are the ones probing the isolation that matures gradually around Superman during the course of the picture.
Blessed with an epic length of 150 minutes, "Returns" balances the various storylines with consideration, cutting back and forth between Lex's murderous ambitions and Superman's rocky reentry. It builds to a gargantuan boil for the climax, but Singer is sure to sustain the silent moments between the characters in the eye of the action hurricane, and unexpectedly saves the final 20 minutes of the film not for explosions and speaker-rattling victory, but for tender plot twists that take Superman further into his desire to live among human beings, and also offers a satisfying bookend to Donner's movie.
I treasured the experience of watching "Superman Returns," both as a rabid fan of Richard Donner's initial gamble and as a filmgoer starving to witness filmmakers with an actual grasp on the idea of an epic cinematic vision. Singer has struck gold here, crossing dangerous terrain to bring Superman back to life, and his efforts to remain true to the heart and to the rippling red cape have provided the overwhelming, goose bump-inducing exhilaration of watching one of the greatest films of 2006.
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re-re-read what you posted and tell me if it makes sense...how can KILMER act "like" the actors do in nolans films...thats like saying jimmy stewart sure does have some tom hanks qualities...and when you say that anybody who prefers UNbale batman and then claim to like Kilmer, well thats a little insane--you're defeating yourself...i have not had any problem with any batmans, one is not ABSOLUTE, which is why you were knocked a few (dozen) pegs down today...but you can be my retarded example anyday...<Pand conti..always ood to see yas..thanks for the history lesson--i dont expect anything less from ya.
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Lois Lane won a Pulitzer for an editorial called "Why the World Doesn't Need Superman," written during the five-year period in which the Man of Steel was gone, vanished without a trace and presumably not coming back. He does come back, of course, in "Superman Returns," and at the end of the film Lois is writing a new piece: "Why the World Needs Superman." Only she can't seem to type anything beyond the title. Does the world need Superman?
According to the Daily Planet front pages we catch glimpses of, "Superman Returns" is set in September 2006. Think of what Superman has missed in those five years. Think of what we've endured without him. When he makes his first post-hiatus appearance, bringing a doomed airliner to safety in front of a crowded baseball stadium, the reception he gets is deeply stirring. No one begrudges him his absence. No one complains of being abandoned. People are just elated to see him, overjoyed to once again have a savior in their midst. Glance again at the front page of a newspaper and tell me we don't need Superman.
The question is, do we need "Superman Returns"? Since the last embarrassing effort in 1987 -- "Superman IV: The Quest for Peace," in which Superman battled a monster made of nuclear energy -- not only has the world changed, but so has moviemaking in general and comic book movies specifically. Our superheroes today aren't as four-square as they were the last time a caped Christopher Reeve leapt tall buildings in a single bound. Nowadays they have angst, crises of faith and streaks of brooding selfishness. They are eminently human, in other words -- something Superman literally is not. How can a hero so alien be relevant in 2006?
Bryan Singer has the answer with this sensitive, exhilarating film, which he directed from a screenplay by his "X2" writers Michael Dougherty and Dan Harris. (The story is credited to all three men.) Superman, here played with surprising (to this skeptic, anyway) depth by newcomer Brandon Routh, left Earth in search of his home planet Krypton, which astronomers thought they had discovered remnants of. He has returned now introspective and contemplative. So much on Earth has changed in five years. So much within himself seems different, too.
He does still love Lois Lane (Kate Bosworth), but she has moved on. She's engaged to her boss' nephew, Richard White (James Marsden), who's a pilot, which means he can fly, too, just like her last boyfriend. They have a little boy, Jason (Tristan Lake Leabu). Superman -- in the guise of Clark Kent, who allegedly has been traveling the world the past few years and now has his old Daily Planet job back -- wants to rekindle his romance with Lois but is too decent to break up her happy home. Instead he does what you or I would do in his boots: He floats outside her house and uses his x-ray vision and super hearing to see how she's doing. He's a super-stalker.
The film is in large part the story of Superman's internal struggles and his love for Lois, and many viewers may be disappointed at the comparative lack of action. The film is 40 minutes old before the first action sequence occurs, and the opening 20 minutes or so are eerily quiet. You'd think you were watching a Merchant-Ivory production, not a summer blockbuster.
It's a thinky blockbuster, yes, though there is plenty of deft humor and breathtaking visuals and nods to the earlier films, too. And when the story calls for action, Singer delivers it, with seamless special effects and thrilling heroics. Yet he seems to realize one of the inherent problems with a Superman story: The guy can only be killed by one thing. Absent that, there's very little suspense over whether (or even how) he'll save the day. So it's wise to focus on other elements in the story, as he has done, rather than give Superman a list of good deeds to do and call it a day.
Lex Luthor is present, played with ice-cold malevolent glee by Kevin Spacey, and his plan is, as ever, the very picture of dastardliness. You may recall the ditzy Miss Teschmacher who was Gene Hackman's sidekick in the first two Superman films; here that role is filled by Kitty Kowalski (Parker Posey), who goes along with Lex's plans without realizing just how crazy he is.
But while Lex's schemes are crucial to the world, they are secondary to the film. It is not a story of how Superman stops Lex from killing everyone; as I said, that kind of story has a foregone conclusion. This is the story of Superman coming to terms with himself, rendered by Singer and Routh subtly, quietly, even beautifully. If Krypton is truly gone, does that mean Superman has no one to relate to in all the universe? If we need Superman, does he need us, too?
I think the reason Lois doesn't know how to begin her "Why the World Needs Superman" essay is that the point is so obvious it shouldn't need explaining. Of course we need him. Even a fictional Superman, even in this cynical age, is reassuring. I didn't realize how much I'd missed him until he came back.
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Learn the rudimentary html tags. Oh, and I disagreed with your review, which is a few years too late. You missed the deadline.
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always good to see ya..thanks for the history lesson...some people need to understand that the new shit wasnt always the standard...these are the reasons we have reboots 5 years after a film.
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There is no better and intelligent way to explore the cimplexities of a post 9-11 world than following the inner turmoil of a MAN DRESSED AS A BAT FIGHTING A CLOWN.
Grow the fuck up. Or at least don't be such an arrogant dickhead demanding everyone treat things made for kids so seriously and follow lockstock with your half-assed opinions. Making things more serious doesn't always make things more adult, sometimes it makes things more childish. You might want a world were we show crack being sold on Sesame Street because it makes it more "sophisticated" and "intelligent" but some of us are just going to see it as pathetic. -
It's Shit!
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With the inspired appropriation of John Williams’ majestic 1978 theme music raising acres of gooseflesh, Superman flies again, bringing mankind what Marlon Brando’s Jor-El called "the light to show the way". Like the flag-waving hero of Richard Donner’s Superman movies, the boy from Krypton comes bathed in nostalgia, reverence and oodles of religious symbolism. The result is that most beatific of superhero’s most magnificent screen incarnation yet.
Bryan Singer is a besotted man, with a determination that Superman belongs to the movies. Amongst the visual razzmatazz, those dreamy effects and gilded edges, he references Casablanca, Close Encounters, Citizen Kane and Titanic, films in the widest possible sense. If Steven Spielberg were to have made a Superman movie, it would surely have this sense of wonder, exaltation and romance.
The story loosely follows on from Superman II, with Lois Lane’s memory of his true identity wiped by a kiss. Singer stays fully in touch with the heartache that murmurs beneath that iconic blue suit — the idea that our hero’s divine nature acts as a barrier to love. Clark’s unrequited love for Lois and her crush on Superman are the soul of the story, far more central, say, than the mind-blowing action sequences clamouring for your attention. This may confound those just looking for a regular can of fizzy action juice, but will taste like fine wine to the growing legion of Singer fans who admire his dedication to adding emotional weight to summer thrills. The news that Lois is the mother of a five year-old boy and engaged to newcomer Richard White (James Marsden) sends the Man Of Steel into meltdown, the unfolding emotional conflict steering the movie. While such sentimental concerns could become cloying, Singer, as with his X-Mens, finds the perfect middle way to explore the conflict within his characters.
Kate Bosworth brings an eager intensity to the star reporter; even though she lacks the world-weary wryness of Margot Kidder, she fully evokes Lane’s conflict and tough exterior. But the greatest victory is Brandon Routh. The resemblance between Routh and Christopher Reeve is uncanny (when he first turns around as Clark Kent, you’d swear it was 1978) and, while proving every bit as wholesomely heroic, Routh even adds his own melancholic touch.
Singer has built a larger, worldwide arena here: Superman traverses the globe, not just the US, in his fight for "truth and justice…" (references to the "American way" are conspicuously absent), and consequently Spacey’s eloquent Lex Luthor is a further-thinking and far crueller customer than Gene Hackman’s. His diabolic and rather complicated masterplan is inevitably fuelled by shards of that dreaded green kryptonite, while Parker Posey’s moll makes delightfully dimwitted fun of his megalomania.
And such dastardly deeds do, naturally, furnish the movie with a series of breathtaking action sequences. While symbolically carrying the world on his shoulders, he literally carries continents across his broad back. More than that, though, Singer realises it isn’t enough to believe a man can fly; these are flights
of emotional expression, exhilarating in their sense of freedom set against rapturous skylines. Indeed, the film floats in a preposterous, magical America
forever bathed in golden light. Singer has reinvigorated an American icon, with a film that sits happily in the upper tiers of Superman’s grand pantheon.
Verdict
It’s all about heart — not that the spectacle falters; this is the finest popular entertainment since the Rings trilogy closed. Superman doesn’t fly — he soars.
Reviewer: Ian Nathan
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"Superman Returns"
If Superman is so super, what about the depth of his feelings? Are they super, too, or is he just about muscle and x-ray vision? That may suffice for the comics, but director Bryan Singer applies his best sense of character and story into revealing the truth about the heart that beats in his superhero's mighty chest. His story and superb casting moved me completely to his side by making me experience the deeper issues of a man from another planet who protects us and with whom we can relate because he lives within our perspective.
There are certain story difficulties inherited from the comic strip that are challenges to overcome, starting with the awkward relationship between Lois Lane (Kate Bosworth) and Clark Kent (Brandon Routh). For one thing, the viewer must ignore the incredibility that a mere set of spectacles would camouflage Kent's real identity from a girl so enamored of his alter ego and so intimate with him physically.
But, all right, that comes with this territory. What I didn't think Singer overcame was Lois' treatment of her stumbly colleague. She shows him less regard than did the warmer and more empathetic Margo Kidder in the prior outing and Bosworth reveals fangs as an ice queen fending off Kent's obvious adoration. It's a superficial and more negative portrait than necessary, and does nothing to impart dimension nor sympathy for this babe. Big mistake.
The other story rough spot, for me, is the explantion for the strange silence from Superman when he left the planet after having made love to Lois, an event that resulted in a child, now 4-year old Jason (Tristan Lake Leabu), a quite critical (and marvelously underplayed) character here. When Lois asks Superman why he never said a word, just suddenly and silently abandoned her, he mumbles something about needing to get back to Krypton for a little R&R, or something to that effect. Not exactly an adequate explanation for her, nor for us.
The result of his 4-year hiatus is not so much that Lois was hurt, but that she's "moved on" by a deep involvement with Richard White (James Marsden), her Editor-In-Chief Perry White's (Frank Langella) nephew, who considers Jason his son. So, now, when the big "S" man returns, her emotions, which apparently weren't very sustainable, are dampened and confused. But, not altogether gone. What level of unrequited love turned into hate must have propelled her to write her Pulitzer Prized essay on "Why the World Doesn't Need Superman. The "B" word comes to mind for this demanding, uncompromising babe.
But it's just this complication of feelings that is the core of the emotional co-plot that works to strip away Superman's deeper side. He hasn't forgotten the earthwoman he loves, nor what she means to him.
Ah, but evil lurks, and it does so in the campy, colossal presence of Lex Luthor (Kevin Spacey, his absurdly loyal concubine (Parker Posey in a role made for her particular gifts), and an assortment of murderous bodyguards. After much over-the-top tongue-biting display of comic invention, this reprobate from Krypton, who well knows Kryptonite's debilitating effect on his nemesis , Superman, puts his plans into operation to create a continent of his own to serve his purposes and replace most of North America, particularly the American part. For that scheme, he goes to the crystal palace of Superman's father, pretends to be the son by operating the crystal controls like an expert, and acquires the secrets that will effect the geological transformation he desires.
While the publicity photos and the ads gave me doubts about Brandon Routh as a purveyor of this planet's first superhero, his effect on the movie turns that around into considerable admiration. He's less of a muscle man than 10% of the guys at my health club, but his superhuman strength, so ably assisted with superb CGI effects, is convincing enough. In fact, it's interesting that Superman need not be of Schwarzenegger physical dimensions.
What Routh does bring to the portrayal is a firm belief in who he is--the square-jawed determination, the purity of his mission, and most expressively, the depth of his feeling. Singer uses these traits marvelously well in a late and critical sequence that I found emotionally rapturous for a comic book hero, when life and heritage are on the line. When you consider Singer's vision in casting Routh with just this in mind, you get an idea of what direction is all about.
It's apparent that the ensemble had in mind redoing all prior interpretations of their various roles. Spacey was not about to channel Gene Hackman, and he found much antic humor to do it with. A sight gag that I still chuckle over comes when he's found within the labyrinths of his yacht... brushing his teeth. Vintage Spacey, and it's a measure of success to the extent that audiences are willing to go from such comedic exaggeration into hatred for the merciless villain--a call by the actor for a considerable stretch of acceptance.
The visual effects are not only good, but the photography by Singer's regular cinematographer Newton Thomas Sigel is flawless, making the most of the high-tech production design by Guy Hendrix Dyas and his art direction team. The most. Similarly, the Singer guidance shows up in an evocative score by John Ottman (who also edited). The screenplay was fashioned by Michael Dougherty and Dan Harris ("X@: X-Men United").
After leaving the theatre and reflecting on what I had seen, I couldn't escape the notion that this action and character composition took inspiration from the deeper reflections and meanings in "Batman Returns." Perhaps Bryan Singer wouldn't have been so anxious to leave the "X-Men" franchise if the "Batman" predeccesor hadn't shown how to get to the essence of such high concept beings and what value there is in doing so. In any case, five bravos to Bryan Singer and his entire team for showing us that Superman's heart is commensurate with the power in his muscles. I'm all wrapped up in his cloak.
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The thing about Nolan's Batman films is that....wait for it.....THEY ARE LIKE THE COMICS!So when I said the thing I liked about Kilmer's performace being like in the Nolan films.....I WAS SAYING IT WAS LIKE THE COMICS!Is that SO FUCKING HARD TO FOLLOW? Christ on a fucking crutch!Even after I fucking SPELLED IT OUT FOR YOU, and you STILL just sit there and drool!You are an abso-fucking-lute phenominon! How fucking thick is your skull?"DUUUUUUH, but you sed da bALE FILM FIRST, SO YOU CAN'T also MEAN DAT IT'S LIKE DUH COMIX, duuu&uuuuuuh" God fucking DAYAM son!! HA HA HA HA!
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Superman is a great character, but like most DC Golden age characters (before the retcon), he is so constrained by an almost puritanical and completely unrealistic worldview, that he becomes a caricature. Batman was saved in the seventies by the incomparable Neal Adams, and -begrudgingly because I hate what he later did to Iron Man, Denny fucking O'Neil. They returned him to his origins and made him grimer. Frank Miller made him popular and relevant again. But with Supes, you just can not take him back to his origins, because he has almost always been the big blue boy scout. And every movie portrayal has foundered in some way, because of the need to show him in that light. If Nolan can keep the boy scout image, but provide subtext that shows he is not just a do-gooder automaton, but has conflicts over the limits and uses of his power - and above all have some fucking action! With multiple fights (why is it that Supe II is more highly regarded than other flicks in series: hint it had fights!) and no fucking Lex Luthor at all, then we might get a great movie. Just keep Nolan from writing the damn thing, because he does not do subtle in his superhero movies.
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Kilmer and duh Bale Batmans cuz dey like duh comix....yer sayin dat.....wait.....dat you tink dat the Kilmer is lyke duh Bale? But dat don't mak no sense cuz duh Kilmer came before duh Bale! HA HA I got YOOO!"
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She has always been great creating mood, suspense, and with editing (i am talking to you bryan singer). Not only that she can do action without a 270 million dollar budget. She wouldn't do it though. I would be her stalker anyday.
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Was laughing my ass off.Timmverse IS the definitive Bats/Supes.
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the nolan films are like the batman comics of the last few years...when they ushered in the whole anti-hero thingy...if you look way way way past the 90s...yes they made books back then...you see that the earlier films and tv shows and serials represented batman in their MODERN incantations...this post modern brooding batman didnt aint that origianl...so they are all like the comics...eat a dick, you ignorant cunt.
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Feb 09, 2010 8:14:21 PM CST
Do you think superman can't just let himself go when fucking Loi
by sexual_chocolate
For her safety?
2)James Cameron hopefully can do a real Spiderman movie. That's the way it should have been. 3D works best for Spiderman, than superman, than batman---But BATMAN is the best. -
and it seems you know nothing about film eitheryou do know this is a forum for comics and films and other geeky stuff right?
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You fly-eating fucking douchebag?And at what point, exactly, di I claim that the "brooding Batman" was somehow "original"?Maybe you should just stick to digging around in your ass for something to eat.
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It's inCARNations, not inCANtations you tripping chimp! HA HA HA! Yes, this is the "cumbayah yahweh" Batman and that is the "goosefraba" Batman."My only comfort is the knowledge that someday you will choke to death on a booger.
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Seriously, it's meant to be a comic book fantasy that's outlandish and big emotions. Read Grant Morrison's All Star Superman for an example. When Superman gets gritty, you get him being killed by Doomsday which was just awkward and kinda lame.
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Nolan's films are better than Burton's though...I solved your argument. Clooney, Kilmer, and West don't count...none even registared as "Acting".
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Batman has only been an anti-hero for "the last few years"! HA HA HA HA! And you were saying that *I* know nothing about Batman? Is it possible for someone to just implode with retardation?
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Ive seen it for 3 years now.Does anyone here even know the defintion of "Stalker"...of course you do, cause talkbackers here know everything. Everyone is so quick to blame Singer for SR, but nothing about Warner Brothers. They are the ones who screwed it. 10 years of Red INK, of course it wasnt going to make a profit.
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You think Batman BEGAN with fucking Adam West! As if he didn't begin in the 30's carrying a fucking GUN and shooting people! As if he didn't hunt down Japanese in movie serials! No he BEGAN as a goofball running around with a bomb right? HA HA HA! RETARDS are now shaking their heads like "God DAMN that is one stupid mother fucker!" HA HA HA!
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I'm fucking HAPPY now compared to what I was like as a tween... but you'll have to forgive me, I'm not sure what you mean there.
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Shit, it's meant to be funny and entertaining. I didn't know people actually still had a legitimate hate for it. "Somedays you just can't get rid of a bomb" is a great scene. Heck, I even like the callback to the series it in Batman Forever. "Holey rusted metal, Batman!" "What?" "You know. It's full of holes. Holey." Ba-dum-dum-ching. Geez, what's wrong with having a laugh now and then? Yeesh.
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It's like I always say, you can be fucking stupid, you can be a fucking re-re, that's fine. But when you come in here slingin' shit like you're smarter than me? Huh uh, Homie don't play dat. I'm gonna call you out. You can go cry to momma about it (she's right up those basement stairs), you can go sob into your cheerios, but I'm gonna tell it like it is. And I don't think there is the slightest doubt that you are extremely mentally deficient. in fact, you can probably qualify for some kind of state aid because you're too dumb to flip burgers. You'd just stand there trying to figure out how to squirt ketchup up your ass.
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why would i bring up any other antiheros when this thread is partially about BATMAN and thats what youve been arguing with yerself about?i think batman stated way the fuck back in the 30s..when it was started..and if youve ever looked at them or Cam-forbid, reead them, you would know that they are EONS...EONS away from what you revere...so as i said, you can keep your postmodern brooding BaleMan...he obviously does it for ya..and yes, clooney was fine..the film was shitty..he can now work with soderbergh and the coens cause he put that suit on...but that happened waaaaaaaay back in 97, so you probably dont remember.
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Feb 09, 2010 8:46:41 PM CST
Batman began as a tv show with Adam West as the star.
by sexual_chocolate
Cesar Romero was the Joker right? That was the first batman until Frank Miller's dark night---which made batman dark. Batman was a camp character before.
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It's like I always say, you can be fucking stupid, you can be a fucking re-re, that's fine. But when you come in here slingin' shit like you're smarter than me? Huh uh, Homie don't play dat. I'm gonna call you out. You can go cry to momma about it (she's right up those basement stairs), you can go sob into your cheerios, but I'm gonna tell it like it is. And I don't think there is the slightest doubt that you are extremely mentally deficient. in fact, you can probably qualify for some kind of state aid because you're too dumb to flip burgers. You'd just stand there trying to figure out how to squirt ketchup up your ass
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I called this ages ago. I was the person on this board that said Chris Nolan should be given the reigns on both franchises so that he could make sure Superman was the mirror opposite of his own Batman films. I said that long before Scrawnyman Returns was in the theatres. Of course, I also said that Ra's Al Ghul was the villain to pick for what became Batman Begins. I should be the head of Warner Bros. Pictures because all of Alan Horn's best ideas come from my postings.
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when did he pick up a gun and use it the the last two films?schools out bitch...go home...mamas waiting
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and youve said that anybody who doesnt like Bale is a fucking (whatever)...so for almost 80 years, theyve yet to get it right til now?are you that deluded?or did you think they were waiting for you to be old enough to weatch it to make "the good films"?
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My GOD MAN! You must be going for some kind of WORLD RECORD! At what point did I say Bale was like the first Batman comic ever published? can you quote that for me? I'd like to see it. And the fact that you have no idea why I'm calling you a retard.....IS WHY YOU'RE A RETARD!
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Why not blame singer? they gave him 270 million to make that movie and he left what he started with x-men to Ratner. Bigelow made THE HURT LOCKER for 10 million!!!
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Why not blame singer? they gave him 270 million to make that movie and he left what he started with x-men to Ratner. Bigelow made THE HURT LOCKER for 10 million!!!
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Satirically or in some other way. This matters to her and her retarded kid.
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Why don't you go find this one too: "anybody who doesnt like Bale is a fucking (whatever)...". That should occupy quite a bit of your time. HA HA HA you fucking chimp!
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When I uase the term "retard", I'm actually referring to Sarah Palin's crib-note reading ass.
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He's made to look older on Mad Men. You'd be amazed how make-up and suits can add years to you. Hamm is perfect for Supes in an old fashioned comic book way. He's can also do dark and brooding if that's the direction Nolan will be taking it.
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I bet Nailin' Palin is a better film than Superman returns.
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Nice! Is it possible that her kid doesn't have Down Syndrome and he's just a chip off the old block?
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All day you're saying nolans films are like the comics.....and I guess i assumed you would be talking about the original product and not batman from issue 700. My mistake...I thought I was talking to someone who knew betteron another note,do you like police academy 6 over the first film?idiot.
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But no Brandon Routh. Either pick Tom Welling or go with someone else. Heck, get Batman into the film and serve as an "older brother" sorta mentor to Clark. Drop all pretense about Lex Luthor not knowing who Superman or Batman really are when they are not in costume. I would love to see Rosenbaum in the role going toe to toe against Bruce Wayne in the corporate sphere while trying to recruit some super powered villains to take on Superman.
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Lexington Steel if Bryan Singer has his way. I hate gays. I hate retards who don't know that Batman started before Adam West. I hate the Na'vi. I hate their tree. BURN IT DOWN!!! BURN IT DOWN!!!
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You are actually say that you never typed anyone who doesn't like nolans batman doesn't like batman??? were done
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Routh is a keeper. I would prefer a Smallville movie, but if not, use Routh.
Keep the cast of Returns except re-cast Lois, (Evangeline Lilly perhaps?) and Perry White, Alec Baldwin would make a great White, with his raspy voice and bulldog demeanor would be great, especially if he does a nice version of his Blake character from "Glengarry Glenross." -
Feb 09, 2010 9:20:46 PM CST
I BET REVENGE_of_FETT has bigger tits than Sarah Palin.
by sexual_chocolate
I want to titty fuck you baby;)
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DONT WORRY HENRY WILL BE FINE
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KEEP JOHN WILLIAMS MUSIC!
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And not coming away thinking 6 Teabagger is a fucking retard. Are you ready? Here ya go:"You are actually say that you never typed anyone who doesn't like nolans batman doesn't like batman???"Altogether now "WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK!?!?"
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Scroll up and find the first post where I addressed you and then read your previous post...
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i hope so. because it makes me picture chris nolan stuffing tissues inbetween his cheeks, stroking a cat, and making david goyer kiss his ring.
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Wow, what a mess. I did nothing to help matters, I admit.
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As opposed to Obama's reatarded cliff-note reading ass.
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6 Teabaggers diseased brain. I think what he was trying to say was "Didn't you say that if I don't like the Nolan Batman that I don't like the character?"I've gone through a lot of permutations and algorhythms and I'm pretty sure that's what he was asking in his own completely inept, education-deficient way.To provide a little background, 6 Teabagger was attacking the Nolan films because they weren't "fun" and the Adam West version of batman is the best.Let's go over a little Batman history (that I supposedly am completely ignorant of). In the 50's there was a book published that put forth the notion that comic books in general, and even Batman & Robin in particular, were causing America's youth to grow up "degenerate".Several things happened in response to this allegation. Horror comics virtually vanished over night because of a self imposed "comic's code" on the industry. At the same time, Batman got completely retarded, abandoning anything "dark" which had been the series trademark up to that point. This utter retardation apparently got 6 Teabaggers underwear REALLY TIGHT.So is the Adam West comedy hour reflective of Batman comics of that time? Yes. Was the TV show and ridiculous Batman comics of that time indicative of the CHARACTER of Batman as created by Bob Cane and later exapanded by other comic artists?FUUUUUUCK NOOOOOOOO!So when I say that if you think the Adam West Batman is the best Batman, I can say, with extreme confidence....that you are a FUCKING MORON!
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She's very, very tan. Teri Hatcher was orange from fake tanning. What's the difference? Seriously, until this talkback, I had no idea that Rashida Jones was of "mixed race" as the pigmentists say. I just thought she had slightly more melanin than some paler people. Interesting.
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if he gave mr. nolan a vhs tape of "demonic toys." i believe this honestly i do
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because he's SMART. He did that Republican televised thing with NOTHING. he answered unscripted questions with nothing but what he held in in his highly educated brain.Sarah Palin, on the other hand, after accusing Obama of not being able to deliver a speech without a teleprompter, then read answers to SCRIPTED QUESTIONS that she was given beforehand off her retarded little manicured hands.So yes, to answer your question, as OPPOSED to Obama.
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Feb 09, 2010 9:41:02 PM CST
Ur both Motarded fuks. Six douche bag is a cum filled sock puppe
by liberal_warrior
Bubba Fett is Nerd Rage level troll. Both of you shut the fuk up before I become irritated.
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when not using a teleprompter.
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asses last week minus a teleprompter. *scratches head* Now how do you suppose he done did that? Hmmmm.
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So let's not even fucking go there! It's bad enough we're talking about Batman in a Superman thread.
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Didn't you say that if I don't like the Nolan Batman that I don't like the character(of batman)?"You are actually say that you never typed anyone who doesn't like nolans batman doesn't like batman???"
whats the difference between the two questions? really?the character YOU ARE REFERRING TO IS FUCKING BATMAN!!!!!who the fuck gives a shit if i inserted batman where character was?and find where I said i never liked TDK cause it wsnt fun...also while youre at it...find the post where i said adam west was the best...i chose west's batman cause he was the polar opposite of your fucking hero...and you were making a shitty ABSOLUTE statement that INSINUATED that BALE was the best representation of BATMAN FROM THE COMICS...which is a bullshit blanket statement...proving yourself to know nothing about batman, comics, film, TV,batmans creator (bob KANE) and the english language..as your hero would say--fucking amateur.
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Wake me up when he actually manages to accomplish something with his presidency besides give pretty speeches. Which, admittedly, the last guy couldn't give a speech to save his life.
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just cause theres a new trek crew "representing modern themes and whatnot" doesnt make them better than the original versions...try to remember--this shits been around long before you were afterbirthed bitch.
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So nasally and obnoxious and bitchy and self-entitled. Glorified office temp clerks. Jesus would've turned over your little market stand, that's fer sure. You sell GORILLA HANDS.
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Feb 09, 2010 10:10:30 PM CST
Six Douche Bag - you are dumber than fried chicken shit
by liberal_warrior
Get the fuk out of this thread now, go crawl back to the dick that filled your sock with diseased baboon spunk.
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A couple of the arguments here are getting meta-, meta-, meta-gay.
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You pus drinking troll
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dude.
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ive been meaning to ask--are you a warrior who IS a liberalor are you a warrior who fights LIBERALS?just wondering
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I know I am one of the few not big on Nolan's version of batman, but I really would rather see abrams back to superman, it is definitely more his mentality. Nolan , in my opinion, doesn't get that comic stories don't have to be 100% realistic in order to be good. He takes himself too seriously. To me, the Joker does not wear make up and carve himself a smile, that IS his skin and his smile.
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Yeah, forget it. The dream is dead.
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Feb 09, 2010 10:23:15 PM CST
You eally are dumber than zombie shit ,six douche bag
by liberal_warrior
The entrails of a dead chimp have more intelligence and can spell better than you ever will. But you want to rock and roll with the Warrior, bring it.
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Here from Six Douche Bag is rubbing off.
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You know, beating a retard with a stick begins as a joyous activity, fun for the whole family.But after awhile it just gets disturbing. I think we've passed that marker. It's time to let 6 teabagger go masturbate in the corner for awhile."It's FUCKING BATMAN! You are know nothing from TV, comics, douchery, sweaty balls....ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US!"
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And sock puppets and trolls.
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You know, I could probably go along with that.
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I think Superman should face an alternate earth, evil version of himself.
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Is that a tard on a motorcycle? A tard with a bowlcut? A tard on a riding lawnmower? or is it like "mo' money"?
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Feb 09, 2010 10:34:46 PM CST
Look in the mirror asspickle. Motard = more than retarded
by liberal_warrior
Fits you and six douche bag to a T
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http://tinyurl.com/yjwcbzs
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Feb 09, 2010 10:36:44 PM CST
Yes Bob KANE and Bill Finger intended Batman to be dark
by continentalop
Until about 1940 (one year after his creation) when they added Robin and retconned Batman saying he never carried a gun or never killed anyone. And that has been the standard since (Bale didn't really kill anyone did he now?).
People can not like the Bale/Nolan versions and still be Batman fans. You can't say if a person doesn't like the Brannaugh version of Hamlet he isn't a Shakespeare fan. No, that just means he doesn't like that interpretation and adaptation of the play. And that person might have a legitimate argument or reason. I don't think anyone here has the credentials to act as the final arbitrator of what makes one version more authentic than another version. -
With him you either bring it, or you get brung.
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you're speaking to the trolls now...im going home..
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I like this whole "mo" thing. Can someone be "mocool" or "modouche"? can a chick be "mohot".
and I feel pretty secure about that.
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are you the olde douche who likes to hang outside of bars waiting for the drunk guys to stumble out and try to fuck them?cause youre really late to this party and im taking all the good looking gals home..see you later gay-boys!
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And I'm feeling pretty secure in that fact.
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whoa-whoa.ytmnd.com
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Feb 09, 2010 10:56:28 PM CST
Hey Lib Warrior, why don't you "Moshut the fuck up"?
by revenge_of_fett
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Fast forward 10 years in the future.
Superman is dead. (flashbacks to his fight with Doomsday).
His death is a national holiday
Lex Luthor is president of the US and on the verge of being voted in as the first president of earth.
Luthor has long ago become a host for Braniac. When Braniac made his first visit to the planet he chose its inhabitant with the highsest IQ.
Luthor still remains in control though, Braniac long ago been supressed. Having the Braniac nanites inside of him has increased his intelligence tenfold.
He has used this enhanced mental ability to essentially become the savior of the planet.
Ending drought in Africa, improving farming yields to incredible levels, making racism punishable by jail time, etc...
He even reduced global warming by creating a new atmospheric layer to cover the breaches of ozone.
Lex Luthor has become the great benevolent dictator... the "destiny" that Superman always wrestled with for himself.
The people of America and the Earth revere and fear him at the same time.
The Great Eradition War was fought between the super beings of earth and Lex's discovery named the Eradicator.
A virtual clone of Superman that was Lex Luthors chief enforcer. He was ultimately defeated by a coalition of superheroes headed by Batman.
(montage of the battle between Batman and Eradicator displayed on Bruce Wayne's computer)
All superheroes have been eradicated or imprisoned during the war, save the few who have survived in the shadows.
Superman is their messiah, they await his resurrection. And Bruce takes it as his job to find the way to bring him back.
An old retired Bruce Wayne has the body of Superman in suspended animation. A sort of coma.
Bruce knows the truth about what Lex has been doing all along, he is not as benevolent as he seems.
The truth about Lex is that his goal is to increase the worlds population to its maximum capacity.
Braniac would then use the collective brainpower of humanity as a mass storage device for himself.
Its revealed that Braniac has reached the limits of his storage ability, and has come to this planet in order to use is as a giant hard drive.
He had previously done this with the city of Kandor, shrinking them in order to make his bio-storage device portable.
Superman is reborn when Bruce Wayne finally is able to figure out the controls of the Fortress of Solitudes healing device.
Lex has a plan in place, always one step ahead he has refitted Metallo as his personal anti-superman weapon.
He is no match for Superman.
Superman then confronts Lex in his White House fortress.
As he meets Lex face to face he notices the wrinkles in Lex's face start to widen.
Terrified Lex screams in agony as he vainly wonders what is happening to him.
His skin is pulled away from his body to reveal the fully realized cybernetic green hued being we all know from the comics.
Lex Luther is no more, his incubation complete, he is now BRANIAC.
Superman and BRANIAC battle, with BRANIAC ultimately being defeated of course.
BRANIACS last command was to open the gates to the Phantom Zone.
As BRANIAC's body lay destroyed we see 3 black clothed beings come down from the heavens.
The camera zooms in to reveal the face of Zod.
Superman: Jon Hamm
Lex Luthor: Nicolas Cage
Lois Lane: Cameron Diaz
Bruce Wayne: Stephen Lang
Oliver Queen: Matthew McConaughey
Jimmy Olsen: Giovanni Ribisi
Metallo: Tahmoh Pennikett
Eradicator: Tom Welling
Nightwing: Milo Ventimiglia
Zod: Jude Law
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Dare I say it? He's taken Pawn Stars to new heights.
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I'm laughing my ass off over here. Tell Subs this TB is primed for BAMF!ing
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That gigglebox could play The Joker, maybe. But Lois? Could you honestly picture Cameron Diaz playing someone that went to journalism school and is a hard-nosed reporter? What???
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Feb 09, 2010 11:03:04 PM CST
YACK! I RECORDED BOURDAIN'S TREK THROUGH THE HUDSON
by bringingsexyback
valley. May be making a trip through your neck of the woods soon.
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Dude, you made my day. Wow. And Milo Ventimiglia as Dick Grayson. Wow. These ideas are so nuts, you must work in the industry.
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SPOILERS!!! Yeah, I've got that taped, and American Pickers, which I just discovered last week. Great show.
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I'll catch it on repeats. Give me a rundown of where he went after you've watched it.
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Dude, if you want a romantic weekend with the wife, get a room up there in the Fall. They have lots of hiking trails, a rock scramble, rock climbing but the Mountain House itself is pure luxury.
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But I won't say a thing about the 1768 lottery ticket. Is it real or fake? You'll have to watch and find out! Also, Pickers is great. I'd love for those two to check out my barn and find some treasures.
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establishment?!
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Tom Welling, Rashida Jones, Billy Zane, Jesse Eisenberg for Jimmy, Rosie O Donnell as Darkseid
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I think they're going to make Superman a naive young guy who gets his ass handed to him in Metropolis and then he has to come back and "bring the rain" or something like that.
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No? Too insensitive? I haven't seen the movie yet, so don't hold it against me.
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where you can get your ass mopickled.
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That'd be motastic!
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that's a great idea she could be Darkseid but I heard she read for Amanda
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I need to go to bed. I'm getting loopy.
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Oh shit, I can actually picture them doing this! 8^O
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How about Ed Asner for Darkseid then?
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That's Warrior-slang for eating out your mama's pussy.
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Or Mo'Nique. Whatever Nolan wants.
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For the record, I think Superman Returns was such a debacle, there is nowhere to go but up. The addition of Nolan should be met with 100% praise.
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I hope they don't do Darksied. Great comic book villain but he would make a lame Superman movie villian.
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Suck my dogs dick!
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Ted Danson, Ving Rhames muthufucka, OJ Simpson, Robert Loggia, The Olsen twins (one sitting on the other's shoulders a bit like Masterblaster).
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He'll throw her into the sun. Apparently that's the only way to shut her the fuck up.
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Shit. I could see her as Superman.
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Rush Limbaugh. If that isn't the face of arrogant, greedy self-centered evil...
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Case Closed!!!
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It will be funny to see liberals like Pelosi, Reid, Fat Barney Frank, Rahm Emanuel and Barry Obama whining about "truth, justice and the American way."
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Even though Superman would easily win...the leftist media would still call it for our wacky idiot president.
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"...to act as the final arbitrator of what makes one version more authentic than another version." The AsimovLives Signal just lit up the skies above Portugal. Also, Wesley Willis and Lib_War in the same thread? Now that is epic!
Suck a snow leopard's ass!
Suck a mountain goat's dick!
Suck a caribou's asshole out!
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a.k.a. the Obama Administration appointees. But be careful: If you disagree with them, they will call you an intolerant, ignorant, homophobic, capitalist pig.
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Superman is a modern myth. The "grounded" approach will dilute the basic joy of the character. I prefer the Donner tone; which was a clever mix of humor, humanity, and escapism.
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Obama would probably win the public relations war...and paint Jesus as an intolerant, bigoted, homophobic, religious, anti-abortion zealot. Heck, Obama would probably give him the death penalty too. Besides, Obama thinks that he is better than Jesus anyway.
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Everyone knows that's the Insurance company's beancounters job!
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You know the one that cuts people off because they get sick and condemns them to death if they lose their job. yeah, Jesus was all about greedy corporate fucks. Well....unless you count that whole money-changers at the temple thing and the "a camel would have a better chance slipping through the eye of a needle than a rich man getting into heaven" thing. But, it's best not to get distracted by facts. They'll only poison your ideology. DEATH TO POOR PEOPLE! BOMB THE BROWN PEOPLE!
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I agree. However, the only person who could have pulled off the Donner version of SUPERMAN was...well...Richard Donner. I don't know too many directors who are as creative and faithful to the myth itself at the same time. However, it will be interesting to see what SUPERMAN looks like in the hands of Chris Nolan. I just hope that he doesn't paint Metropolis in a chaotic light. I mean -- who in their right mind would want to live in a city like Nolan's Gotham City? I hope that the Superman in the new movie will still have the ideals like the Superman in the comic book (including the Frank Miller notion from THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS).
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...I still do not want liberal wingnuts in the government taking control of our health care system. You can laugh at Insurance companies...but the liberal plan turns the government into an insurance company -- where politicians choose what is covered.
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Feb 10, 2010 12:51:48 AM CST
Becvause it's far better to have people who get PROFIT
by revenge_of_fett
From DENYING CLAIMS to choose what gets covered right? Are you really that fucking stupid?
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officially
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for giving you overtime pay. Thank them for the fact that you get paid more than a handful of dirt a day. Thank them for having a safe work environment. Thank them for having paid holidays. Thank them for social security and Medicare.let's see, what should you thank conservatives for....hmmmmmm.....how about 12 trillion dollars of debt sold to fucking China that you are paying BILLIONS of interest on? How about jobs getting shipped by the fucking thousands overseaqs so some child making twenty cents a day can do it? how about making it illegal to sue your HMO if they kill a family member? How about making it really fucking hard to file bankruptcy if you lose everything you have trying to save the life of your child who was denied health care? Yeah, it's MUUUUUUCH better to put THOSE FUCKS in charge of your health care reform. *rolleyes*
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Feb 10, 2010 1:05:28 AM CST
oh, jesuit Chriss..I got it, Jake Gellynhalllal be Supes...
by the dum guy
And get his sister Maggie to be Lois... how much money would it take?
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Good point. I'd definitely move from Gotham... Screw that. Though I like his Batman film, I think Superman is a different animal; something more affirmative rather than cynical. But you're right. I'm not sure anyone else BUT Donner could do it justice (though Favreau comes to mind in that he has fun with his characters)...
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I called it first !
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Hey, if he could still a multi-million dollar franchise like that....
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Jay Leno stars as Superman, Batman, Lex Luthor and the Lois Lane, as the forces of DC Entertainment combine to placate his chin ego. Directed by McG.
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In the brightest day, in the blackest night, please give Jay Leno money...
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He was the only thing good about Superman Returns. Just bulk him up more this time and make sure you take Bryan Singer's Superman costume and burn it with fire. There was something just...wrong with it. I don't know exactly how one goes about making one set of tights look any more gay than another, but somehow Singer managed to do it.
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Why does everyone think that Nolan
would somehow make Superman a dark and gritty tale resembling Superman.
I mean, the dude does have range.
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Sorry "make a dark and gritty movie like BATMAN" (not Superman) damn TOUCH TYPING
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For creating a unified DC Universe. Marvel is doing it, so why can't DC.
If Nolan is tasked to oversee the Superman reboot, he is the perfect guy for the job. And by the way, I want to see a little cross polination between the new Green Lantern movie and the Batman franchise. How about Bruce Wayne meeting Hector Hammonds daddy; the Senator over Wayne Military contracts. -
perfect casting, nuff said!
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Rebecca Gayheart left Ratner ages ago. She's now married (in 2004) to McSteamy from GREAY'S ENDLESS FUCKING SOAP OPERA ANATOMY, Eric Dane, a man who is perfectly willing to film himself, his wife and former Miss U.S. Teen Kari Ann Peniche on video - but probably was NOT willing to see it on the internets. Bummer. So, Miss Gayheart is NOT with the Rat - she is with McSteamy, and is having his child in March 2010.
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...about all this Chris Nolan stuff. INSOMNIA nearly (ironically) put me to sleep, MEMENTO was clever but emotionally cold, and I haven't seen THE PRESTIGE YET. BATMAN BEGINS managed to have the first boring car chase in a BATMAN movie - not even Joel Schumacher managed that! - and if you took the Joker out of THE DARK KNIGHT, you'd have a very fucking boring movie. The ending doesn't make sense - why worry about saving the reputation of a man who's dead? Why would Batman cause himself such inconvenience over such a stupid idea as preserving the reputation of a dead guy? Bale is hopeless as BATMAN, and the whole franchise rests on a director who wants realism in a movie ABOUT A MAN DRESSED AS A BAT WHO FIGHTS CLOWNS, PENGUINS AND CATWOMEN!!
Don't get me wrong, INCEPTION looks like the James Cameron version of DARK CITY, and looks amazing, but why all the Nolan love? BEGINS wasn't THAT great (BATMAN and BATMAN RETURNS were better, IMHO) and TDK without Ledger would be dead in the water. Oh, except for that great heist sequence. Which was also great the first time I saw it in HEAT.
Burton > Nolan. Keaton > Bale. Gothic Gotham > "Real" Gotham. And I'm not just trolling, this is my actual position on the subject. But a Nolan SUPERMAN could be interesting, if he's capable of letting the "gritty and dark" go and has some fun. SUPERMAN is supposed to be life-affirming, not fucking miserable and brooding... -
It's just not his bag. I HATE the Matrix films but based on their experimentation and sense of whimsy and fun mixed with intelligent concepts as seen in Speed Racer, I'd give it to the Wachowskis.
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Do you honestly expect anyone to give a shit about that crap show's twelve thousand seasons of monsters of the week and continuity busting timewasting? Fuck that and fuck Tom Welling and all that stupid show's stupid fans.
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And I love the "definitely not be a follow-up to Superman Returns". Hah. Fuck off, Singer, with your crap movie(s).
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I never enjoyed his Batmans. What's up with everyone in Nolan's Batmans needing to know Batman's real identity? By now, all of Ra's al Ghul's henchmen and Bruce's coworker know who he is. They know where Bruce lives, too. Bad costume design. And bad action. Nolan's Batman was more like, Batman: Year 10. Not Year 1.
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I wouldn't trust a crimefighter (Batman) who couldn't turn his neck so he could see when parallel parking. Do an experiment with the Bat suit. During a UFC fight, have one fighter where Nolan's version. The fighter wearing that suit will lose.
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I wouldn't trust a crimefighter (Batman) who couldn't turn his neck so he could see when parallel parking. Do an experiment with the Bat suit. During a UFC fight, have one fighter where Nolan's version. The fighter wearing that suit will lose.
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If Singer turned Superman into a chick flick, Nolan will turn it into a procedural cop show. Just more watering down of the characters for those who don't know the comics.
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If Singer turned Superman into a chick flick, Nolan will turn it into a procedural cop show. Just more watering down of the characters for those who don't know the comics.
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and I meant "wear" not "where".
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and colorful and have mental action.
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Not necessarily LIGHT. Luthor should be infused with a healthy dose of xenophobia towards "the alien". And would you please make it sci-fi, already? Superman is a freaking alien from another planet and Metropolis is the City of Tomorrow. Give some of THAT instead of Toronto locations, with a dollop of super-science and cosmic threats. No more Kal-El versus burglars.
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Is what took the romance out of Batman and turned it into the cold over-serious movies that we have today, they have nothing of what a Batman movie should feel like, Bruce Timm with his first animated series got it right.
Let alone in a Superman movie, a character even more light and naive than Batman, that would be the direction to avoid.
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Bond keeps his great theme through different interpretations, so should Superman.
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I just want to know where to get my hands on the excellent Bollywood blockbuster that clip was taken from!
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remember how I talked about certain fanboy hated movies in that other thread? Hint, hint...
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It doesn't seem to me that the execs at Warners have really learned from their mistakes. Instead of adopting the strategy that Marvel has in developing each property with specific filmmakers, they've decided to throw all their eggs into one basket with Chris Nolan. "Hey, he saved Batman, made the Dark Knight.... let's give him Superman to save too. Let's give him Wonder Woman and the Flash while we're at it. Better yet, let's sign him to 'godfather' every single property we have, except for Green Lantern....why did we give it to that Zorro guy?"
Nothing against Nolan personally as he's a great filmmaker, but it's this kind of shortsighted logic that cost Warners the lead in the superhero movie biz. If this is the bedrock of their new movie strategy, I fear it won't work out for them in the long run. -
????????. Not one of these guys, be it raimi,nolan,favreau or singer could make the movie we see in our own heads
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After seeing him in the Prince of Persia trailer I can sort of imagine it. I still think Supes would be better served with a newcomer though. But THIS TIME, as opposed to last time, get a guy who can, you know, ACT! And who doesn't need a padded suit and high-heeled fuckin' go go boots to pull it off!
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No movie is perfect and to Dragon Man,you're right, Warner brothers doesn't have any imagination and that's primarily due to fear on their part. They found a guy who gave them this billion dollar juggernaut and they feel safe with that. I suppose you can't fault them for that.....
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I love Nolan and a I'd really like to see a totally different take on Superman, but I'm reserving judgement on this until we have a director attached.
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I tried to read some of the talkbacks and was taken back by how many people wrote in...even the haters. People clearly still care about this character and want to see it done well.
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I would like to see a little more gritty realism in Superman but you have to strike a good balance between that and the bright hope Superman brings. Keep Brandon Routh because I think he did an excellent job. But I also agree it is time to retire Luthor and give Superman a more formidable nemesis.
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But that's about all I'd trust him with. His clumsy-assed performance that just seemed awkward at every turn just isn't going to cut it.Routh had his chance, he blew it, move on.
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And if you're going to use Lex, why not have him build a killer robot or giant monkeys or something cool as opposed to lame real-estate cons. And not General Zod. Darkseid, Doomsday, Bizarro, Metallo, Brainiac, Hank Henshaw, etc. Let's bury the Richard Donner Superman once and for all and try something new.
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Sarah could play Lois who dresses up in french maid outfits to kill moose!
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Film cat litter.
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Feb 10, 2010 11:11:29 AM CST
That could be the title of the next unfunny parody movie.
by royston lodge
From the people who brought you Scary Movie, Date Movie, Dance Movie, and Epic Movie comes . . .
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Now Kal-El is gonna come from earth. Krypton and all that will be a fever dream of a frustrated reporter living in a dark, urban decayed Metropolis. Lois will die, and Lex Luthor will be the new hot Halloween costume. A billion bald-headed fucks that look nothing like the actor who will play Lex will infest YouTube with their best(crappy) Luthor impressions. YouTube tutorials about how best to shave one's head. I have a bad feeling about a Nolan Superman. Please God at least have his Batman 3 in a Batcave for at least a minute or two. Doing some detective shit. Please.
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for this role.
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Feb 10, 2010 11:50:05 AM CST
Nolan is a smart cat. He gets that Superman isn't 'dark'.
by orbots commander
Not that the Superman/Metropolis universe couldn't do with a dose of "realism", or as much as you can do with that universe, but I think Christopher Nolan probably realizes that in mood and tone, Superman is the polar opposite of his take on Batman.
The best take is, picturing how a Spielberg-directed Superman would have looked like. As far as the character, this is your template, Mr. Nolan, if you happen to be reading----Clark Kent is Jimmy Stewart; Superman is Gregory Peck. -
I'm sorry, but I actually believed Routh was Superman by the time I left the Theater. I didn't enjoy the slow pace of the film, but I really liked Brandon Routh, and I went in hating the fact that they casted him. Needless to say he turned one of his toughest critics. There's no one in Hollywood who can cast actors for certain roles better than Bryan Singer. If that was the best Singer could do, any other pick besides Routh would be a dramatic downgrade.
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if they want to make him short they have the Technology...Have the PENGUIN a knihgpin who takes over the town...You could even have an accident that make his hands like fins if they want like JOHNNY TURMAN...or not and just have him as a ruthless MOB BOSS...
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This is set sometime in the future of when most Superman stories take place.
At least those in the movies.
Everyone is aged a good 10-15 years.
The world is bleaker/darker since the death of Superman.
The media has been taken control of by the government, so the newspapers dont really have the ability to say what they need to say.
Jimmy has then gone underground and become an internet reporter of sorts. The only real news to be had in metropolis.
He is not the same happy go lucky guy he was as a young man of course.
Hence why i would like a guy like Ribisi who can play that very well.
I see your point about Diaz, and i know why you would say that. But she can act the other way. She can be the tough confident smart assed quasi man-woman type and not the giggly sufer girl.
Of course i would prefer Lena Headey in the role myself... but i thought maybe they would want to go with a bigger star.
Nightwing was kind of a joke, as in Nolan would never use Robin, and Nightwing IS Robin. And Milo plays a Robin type on Heroes if you think about it.
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Matt Bomer might be slightly under six feet?!!!! Some say 5'11 1/2" some say 6". Give me a break. The guy has the charisma and the charm to pull it off... it's probably why there's a rumor that Ratner wanted him to be Supes. Jon Hamm looks to old for 39.
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm544639232/nm0358316
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he should keep a way from this and before he considers doing this someon should show him the talkback the superman returns movie generated. the bashing that film got should be more then enough to convince him not to do it.
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its controversial but here goes...the kid that annoyed everyone in superman returns. to add to dark/bleak view of the world, superman has died and all acts of heroics have been banned. this turns supes teenage son into a superhero vilgilante for him the lines between right and wrong are blurred. he is apathetic superhero hero teen. he doesnt really care. he has inherited all his dads abilities except he no longer believes in truth justice and the american way. that is cause there is no american way. they could keep all that stuff about superman being a loner but make it cynical and hard boiled. but hollywood being hollywood would insist that the kid get a lecture and would possibly introduce supergirl to give him one.
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Oh I gotcha now *wink wink*.
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Feb 10, 2010 2:05:01 PM CST
ok..another idea...Ian Mcshane as Luthor & Timothy Olyphant as s
by smddoc
shave his head and send McShane after Olyphants Supes...In the Deadwood section of in Metropolis
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I'd take Sophia Bush, Alice Eve (dye hair), Bridget Regan, Shiri Appleby, Bojana Novakovic over Rashida Jones. Rashinda Jones is like a bad knockoff of Kristin Kreuk. I think my personal favorite for Lois Lane would be Allison Miller from "Kings."
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QUENTIN TARANTINO as PENGUIN...I think he would have the voice perfect...
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"Get that mother fuckin' Kryptonite out my mother fuckin' ASS!"
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I should be a casting director in Hollywood. My instincts are beyond reproach.
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Feb 10, 2010 3:31:25 PM CST
Keep John Williams music and the flyby/wave at the end
by smokiegeezer32_psn
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it's the ONLY wayand brandon routh was a terrible superman. sorry, it's not his fault, it's Singer's - he was so hard up about finding a chris reeves clone he neglected to see what it was that actually made chris reeves so good. superman needs to be built like a giant. and the suit needs to be better - blue and red, but tone down the underwear to a more darker black shadoed - and make the S move of a chest covering kryptonianhouse symbal which looks like an S without being an S. seriously, Retro superman back to his roots. it's the only way. and while ill be first to say john williams's score is one of the best things ever written - it needs a new goddam superman theme! not a rehash, not an imitation, a NEW THEME
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At least for a while.
He would have to relearn how to use his powers as part of the repercussions of his injuries/death.
There has to be a period of healing, relearning, and getting used to being Superman again.
Or else he's just a god who can do whatever he wants whenever he wants, and most all stories of him being bested are fucking retarded.
He needs to not be all that he can be for a period. That way he has an arc on his way to triumph.
And no making the world go backwards in order to reverse time... thats just lame.
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Ignore RETURNS and pick up from IV
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But each theme he's tackled has required a certain level of that. In my mind he's equally well known for making inspired, intelligent, well scripted films with an excellent understanding of source materials (whenever that applies). Anyone who thinks that Nolan Would make Superman gritty just for the hell of it is in for a pleasant suprise I think.
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keep the John Williams theme. I love that.
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part one. lex uthor falls into a trap by general zod. luhor would rule new krypton. which is earth. but but luthor gets killed. Zod takes over and has metropolis under his control. the citizens become his slaves. there is a twist in the end. or a sting in the tail. kal-el gets cloned. so there would be an evil kal-el. the news has been put about that kal-el has died. people of earth dont know the where abouts of the real kal-el. part one is darker and gritty. part two would be all about the search for the real kal-el. it would be epic in tone. the end of that would see the annoying kid from superman returns track down his dad. and it would be revealed that the real kal-el was banished to the phantom zone. for an unspecified reason. or the real kal-el was placed in a kryptonian jail. as punisment by general zod. part three could would see an epic battle the clone kal-el and the real. new krypton gets destroyed nd new metrpolis rises. kal-el gets reunited with his family. somewhere along the line, there is a nod to little girl lost. which hints at the return of supergirl. played Laura vandervroot. who was hot.
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Pixar's is Bird, Lasseter, Stanton, etc...DC Entertainment needs to give Nolan a team to shepherd a cinematic DC Universe: Grant Morrison, Bruce Timm, Paul Dini, Denny O'Neil (hello, he's still alive), John Byrne, Richard Donner...None of these would direct or write individual features, but rather shepherd smart filmmakers through the process, protected from Peters & Co.
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Feb 10, 2010 5:28:35 PM CST
If they CGI MAXIMILLION, I will burn down Hollywood
by smokiegeezer32_psn
I MEAN IT
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Hooray! We now have a secret handshake! Wink.
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Hell, Toyman would be better than Lex Luthor — at least from a merchandising angle. Couldn't you imagine all those Toys R Us aisles filled to the brim with Toyman toys? (See? That's how you get the suits interested, by showing them the way to making more money. (Bastards.))
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...because everyone knows the story. KING KONG taught us that Americans won't repeat visit a film that they have seen a few times before. What they should have done with SUPERMAN RETURNS was create a story that didn't need to revisit the old films...or explain that Superman had "left." They simply needed a great new story...and let it explode from there. Donner's vision of SUPERMAN, is almost perfect (except for some of the campy humor and outdated look). All you need to do is take off from where you started. With a good story and a reminder opening (ala SPIDERMAN 2 and INCREDIBLE HULK), this movie could breathe life into the Man of Steel. SUPERMAN RETURNS looked like a darker film in which Superman was living in the X-Men's cynical world. DARK KNIGHT paints a cynical view of Gotham. Metropolis should always look like, well, New York. In fact, I wouldn't mind the city to be renamed NEW YORK (just to clear it up a bit).
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...just make a good Superman movie! Please. Whatever it takes, just don't make another snorefest reboot or cheeseball sequel. Maybe you could start by just sitting down and watching all the films about 10 times. I got the big metal box with all the films when the last one was released on DVD. If you watch them all a couple times close together the good and bad (or just plain awful) of each makes itself pretty damn clear.
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....well, probably fucking not. But when I saw "Grant Morrison should godfather this" that's the first thing that came to mind.
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I've been searching and searching for actors for the last hour... these are the only ones I feel comfortable with...
Kal-El - Matt Bomer (Yeah he's just under 6'... but he has the charm and charisma to pull it off. His father played for the Cowboys... so I'm sure he has the genetics to add about 15-20lbs of muscle).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMPgSkW20eY
Alternate: Sean Faris (Not a great actor but believable. Some people write him off because of his looks and compare him to Tom Cruise. I don't know...I think a masterful/savvy director could pull a good performance out of him... he looks the part... let's be honest Chris Reeves wasn't a great actor... but he did a good job. Faris is also a better actor the Dean Cain.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocmWKxnEGu8
I just hope the studios don't go with someone like Channing Tatum. He seems to be the go to guy for roles lately... the white guy who talks like a thug wannabe.
Lois Lane - Allison Miller (Good actor... I love her poise, confidence, and sincerity).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7WhdNQyYvI
Alternate: Emily Blunt
Villain(s):
My first thought was maybe to utilize Intergang... kind of like
Batman used the League of Shadows. I'm just worried the whole Apokolips subplot might confuse the hell out of the audience.
My other choice would be a story involving Mister Mxyzptlk. A trickster completely messing around with Superman's mind... Nolan could really have fun with this.
Mister Mxyzptlk - Ben Foster -
I'd also like to see an updated version of the Superman suit... no tights... but keeping the same color scheme and basic design below.
http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/ADVG/595~Superman-DC-Comic-Posters.jpg
Maybe designed like the daredevil suit... but without the headpiece or zipper in the front. A material with less gloss as well.
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm557422592/tt0287978
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Superman is "SUPER" and I would love to see him be super. A story involving the New Gods would be very cool. Best of all a Sups Vs Darkseid battle with Superman using all of his powers in a long battle with each pummeling the other as they smash building and much of Metropoles. If done well this could be one of those events that fans talk about for years.
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He embodied Superman (even if people might claim he mimed Reeves; that was the POINT thanks to Singer). The problems with Singer's Superman had nothing to do with Routh. And this is coming from someone who hated the guy before seeing the film.
In other words, Routh should keep the gig, in my opinion. -
We don't need another story about making him weak. He's freaking Superman! He's SUPPOSED to be NEARLY invincible. Let him kick some major ass already!
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"The liberal plan turns the government into an insurance company -- where politicians choose what is covered."
Um, yeah. This is like when the government took over the postal service, and politicians chose what mail got delivered. I mean, just try and subscribe to the American Spectator...the mailman will give you Mother Jones instead.
(I'm not even going to crash your hyperbolic liberal fantasy-land by pointing out that the public option is pretty much dead in favor of private insurance co-ops at this point...it's like pointing out that "socialist" Obama didn't even nationalize the banking system when he had the chance and even some Republicans were urging him to...Lenin would've wept at THAT missed opportunity...) -
I'm really glad you're a black man, 'cuz I was all, "Y'know, my poor liberal sensitivities are bruised by this inane white guy!" But then I found out you were black, and I said, "Whoa, now! I think he's got a relevant point of view after all! And a conservative SURELY wouldn't pull the race card to try and score points in an argument, would he? That would be as tacky as a GOP governor quitting because the mean ol' media didn't go easy on her 'cuz she was a lady!"
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a few times before?
Huh? You realise we're talking about remakes, reboots and sequels in here, right? Americans most definitely WILL! And we're also talking about Superman Returns, which is pretty much Donner's Superman all over again. Lex and real estate, Superman saves the 747, skulks off to the fortress, little night flight with Lois, and so on...
And if that doesn't sway you, what about Americans and everyone else turning out to see Pygmalion whether it's called that or My Fair Lady, or Pretty Woman? Romeo and Juliet whether it's called that or West Side Story and just about every star-crossed lover class-crossing romance or most every Vampire thing ever? They're all Romeo and Juliet with a bit of window dressing. What about all the different versions of Rashomon? Whether it's called that or Hero or Usual Suspects it's pretty much the same thing. I can't remember the other Rashomon-alikes from the last few years but there were a few... and how many versions of Christie's Ten little, uh, "Indians" have there been? People go to see that whether it's a Christie thing or some gothic mansion pick'em off or Alien or whatever. Maybe you think the window dressing makes it different. I disagree. You could even argue that most romantic boy-meets-girl-boy-loses-girl-boy-gets-girl-back are the same exact movie and all they do is change the actors and locations around. Too many of them are, anyway.
Or maybe you're being a bit literal there man. As for talkbackers, every time a sequel comes up, all anybody can do is "bring back THIS from the first or it will suck"! They NEVER want to mess with "the formula" and so essentially yes they DO want to watch the same movie over and over again, but they'll whinge and moan if they DO get the same thing repackaged too. You can't win. If they DO get new and different stuff, they almost always complain about that too! And talkbackers are the worst casting directors in the world - they ALWAYS go for the most literal, lookalike choice that is completely redundant it's so close to what has come before. It's always "let's get the guy/girl who LOOKS or acts exactly like that guy/girl from before". They're so disingenuous and hypocritical - already in here we've got heaps of people saying it will be dark because the last Superhero Nolan did was dark ergo a Supes movie connected to him will be the same. Of course there's a chance, but conversely the 2 + 2 "dark" argument says more about the TBer in question.
I think, American or otherwise, if the film was good (or when it comes to Superheroes even when it's not), people WILL go and see it multiple times. Whether they realise it or not. This is exactly why Robert Zemeckis has said in the past he intentionally gives the whole plot of his movies away in his trailers (most ridiculously in What Lies Beneath - why spoil a THRILLER where you're SUPPOSED to keep the audience guessing?) - precisely because research found American audiences are most comfortable knowing exactly what they're paying for. Might be true, but it's pretty stupid. So people are actually happy to have seen it before even before they actually see it in full the FIRST time!!
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EVERYONE wants to see her in everything. Same with that dude, whats his face? playing green lantern and that box movie. When the fuck did Van Wilder become the geek choice for everything? I bet i could make any random actor popular in these talkback with the use of a couple of puppet accounts. -Oh you know xxx? He is ciminally underrated. Everyone with taste knows that xxx is a genius with insane charisma. -Oh yeah you are totally right dude. I saw xxx in that awful shitty movie but he got raped by the director and the script on that one. He was really brilliant.
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And learn something about the character.
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REALLY SUCKS!
Also, i really hope, that DC and Marvel use their lawyers to rip off as much money, that the Creators and the Actors of this shit get's to live in a Slum. -
WB is thinking REBOOT not sequel. With a new director comes new actors. Therefore NO MORE fucking wooden, stalker Bizzaro Routh!
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Well, generally I'd agree with you but then, there's Judi Dench sitting in the same damn chair...
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He was the best part of Superman returns by a long long way. Re-cast Lois if you must but I don't see a problem in keeping Routh (even if it is a re-boot). Why waste a good casting choice?
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