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Did you know the name of that John Lennon-looking guy played by “Deadwood” vet John Hawkes is “Lennon”? Is true!
ABC says of “What Kate Does” (a sequel of sorts, perhaps, to the season two episode “What Kate Did,” in which Ms. Austen blew up her pappy):
Kate’s on the run while Jack must do something that could jeopardize the life of a friend. Aldo: Rob McElhenny. Ethan Goodspeed: William Mapother.
Kate’s nuts, you know. She once risked her life and freedom, as well as the lives of innocent bank employees and customers, to rob a New Mexico bank of an old boyfriend’s tiny toy airplane!
Ethan “Rom” Goodspeed, the Other fathered by angry hippie mathematician and Dharma leader Horace Goodspeed, died midway through season one when rock star Charlie Pace emptied a gun into him. Is Ethan now a ghost talking to Hurley in 2007 -- or is he alive and stalking Oceanic passengers in 2004 Los Angeles?
Aldo was introduced in season three’s Juliet-centric “Not In Portland.” He was the Other guarding the Hydra Station’s Room 23 Ludovico chair, the one Karl was strapped into. Kate introduced his face to a rifle butt but he survived the episode.
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Sick of this Jack/Kate/Sawyer storyline.Ruined season 3 and it better not ruin this final season.
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Rom or Goodspeed. This should be his back story explaining how he left the Dharma for the others
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whyy??
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Glad to Rob McElhenny's back on the show.
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next time move the drinky-bird away from your keyboard, lest it hit enter 35 times, making you look like a jackass. >
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From the looks of things, ginnis311 must be staying at the Overlook.
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Project Badass is in full effect!
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Hell yeah the Nightman cometh for the Losties!
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lookout people macfaux and the retard gang are coming! and they dont even pay!
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...on your 1st and 100th post. Hopefully this episode might explain Ethans superhuman strength when he was first introduced.
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As a uk resident i won't be able to see this episode until friday - would rather wait a few days and watch a decent quality episode than watch a downloaded copy. As such i have to avoid lost talkbacks for a few days to remain as spoiler free as possible. Glad to see my prediction about "johnny cash" being smokey was proved correct, granted we'd had plenty of clues along the way for that. I wonder just how many of the visions of dead people were the man in black, most specifically was bens mothers the MIB or can jacob also take on the appearance of those that have died.
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also why did he kill eko, and let kate and juliet live. Just what is that dudes agenda, and what's with the light flashes.
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UK resident also, but i'll watch it wednesday night in 720p, theyre not all bad quality buddy.
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Granted, that would be a night in the sack that you'd ALWAYS remember, and waking up to that face would be definitive proof that not only is there a God, but that He is a man who loves hot pussy. That said, a week later she'd tell you she loves you then put a bullet in your head. For my money, you'd want either Juliet (Elizabeth Mitchell) - badass, sexy as all hell, AND shagged Angelina Jolie in a shower in GIA, or Penny (Sonya Walger), also sexy as all hell, but has the added attraction of that posh totty accent. Dodgy Dad issues, but whatever. Kate may be hot, but she insane!
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But she's also not that hot (IMO). I mean, in Season 1, someone like Jack or Sawyer kinda HAD to go after her because she was the best of a bad lot. Sun was already married, Shannon was a total prick tease, and they hadn't met the French broad played by Mira Furlan.
Who else was there? Rose?
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Never been overstruck on her either. the only time i've actually seen her as fit was in the supermarket when aaron went missing, other than that, not so much.
Also not that interested in her story either, just pick a fella already. If we do have to have a Kate episode tho im glad its coming early to get it out the way. -
Kate is way hot..she is cute with a kick ass pair of legs and great hair lol.
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http://tinyurl.com/yzoen63 AND http://tinyurl.com/n7xu4n. Tell me she is not hot losers.
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The least mysterious episode yet. It involves a monster and a hatch covered with foliage. I'll be wearing the jumpsuit. Watch for it.
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Its nice that you've noticed she has great hair, she will be pleased. Im not disputing shes cute, she just doesnt convey sexiness to me. she looked super-sexy in the supermarket but other than that....i might come back and eat my words if we see her bent over sucking her finger in tonights episode, not likely tho.
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after having doubts that they could wrap it all up and answer questions in a convincing way, those opening 2 eps did the job well and raised expectations for the new season. The alt reality is interesting (awesome WTF moment with the Island underwater BTW) and it allows us to see the characters as they were again, the Locke/Jack scene in the airport was great. Its kind of like the flashbacks in the BSG finale, gets back to the root of the characters, makes you care about them again.
As for The Temple, well it was a bit predictable (magic spring? really?) but the head honcho guy is cool and another Deadwood alumni joining the cast is always appreciated.
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Im just hoping the curtain isnt pulled on wtf its all about in the very last epsiode, just to keep it all mysterious, ive a feeling it will be tho.
i get the impression that theyve made a rod for their own back in keeping us all guessing, and will want to continue that until the very (bitter) end. im hoping it comes a few episodes before the end so the story can be told and it doesnt feel rushed...and we can all relax! -
Agree its a hard one, watching this season in anticipation of reveals and maybe not enjoying at much as we could or missing stuff.
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The reason she seems hottest in the supermarket scene is because she was made up to hell, whereas for 6 seasons she's been made up to look like a sweaty grimy mess.
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but agree you would have to be gay to not want bang her.
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Don't ever post again. Especially not on a LOST talkback. No one here gives a fuck if you're first or last. Say something about lost or get the hell out.
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Just...insane. Oooh Kate Austen...soooo hot...want to touch the hiney...Oowwwooo
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guys... Michelle Rodriguez... obviously.
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If you're into dudes and like getting beat up. She's not hot. At all.
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Will he be peddling Dharma Dick Towels?Kate was hottest in the episode with Fillion playing her mate, but the S1 episodes with her and Shannon running around in underwear on the beach were nice, too. I don't have a thing for that type, but Goth Claire has to be up there as well.
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and now try again once more... but with TASTE this time!
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followed closely by Kate. Seriously - even if I knew Kate would burn me alive as soon as I was done, I would still hit that ass. Just incredible.
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I'd fuck the shit out of Rose.
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kate is definitely hot, come on.
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That is all I have to add to this discussion of hot Losties.
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You know, she was one of those bitches in the Looking Glass. I'd press her button every 108 minutes.
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good point as well.
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Gotta agree, Itchy
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I'd definitely attempt sending a different kind of super-strength "Other" back up into her "Temple". You think the Dharma folk could've been swingers? Hmmmm...
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...could lay in the shadow of my statue anytime...
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Huh. Those are some CRAZY ass guest-stars and pretty much the LAST two people I'd expect to be in this Kate-centric episode (I'd say 'spoiler', but it's kinda' in the title...).
Wonder if this is a trick? Like Katey Segal and '77 Hawking being listed to be in LA X? That'd be fucking crazy if they release the incorrect guest stars for every episode this season just to throw the rabid fans off track. I know I'd approve; I hate spoilers but just can't seem to help myself. Maybe Darlton's trying to help me out with that. :) -
Yeah im looking forward to watching it all from the start already. Ive caught repeats of past episodes in early seasons and they just get better the more in-the-know you are.
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We will have to see which wins out. I REALLY hate Kate episodes, but if it follows up last weeks greatness, it might be exciting. Last night's Heroes was a series defining episode though. Top three of all time for sure. Last weeks Chuck was a series defining episode too. Great TV going on folks.
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You make an excellent point--the LA X timeline is getting back to the root of the characters, like they were during S1. And that feels a LOT more grounded (like S1) than The Island timeline (and the last few seasons) has become.
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I've been thinking about it a lot, and one of the weirdest and most inconsistent things we've always broguht up was why Smokie saw Eko once and let him live, only to kill him shortly after by introducing his skull to the side of a tree. Obviously, in pragmatic terms, this happened because Eko wanted to leave the show and they had to kill him, but I think there is also a totally worthy explanation behind it involving MiB. I think, at that point, MiB was still choosing his players, and hadn't settled on Locke or Eko yet. They were both the men of faith, who saw the Island as more, and DESIRED to be led by a force greater than them. I think Smokie killing Eko just has to do with him choosing to go with Locke as his pawn instead. The producers always said they had wanted there to be a struggle between Eko and Locke for spiritual leader of the survivors, but when Eko wanted to leave, their hand was forced. So, Smokie decided to use Locke and not Eko, not he killed Eko because he didn't need him anymore, or maybe he realized Eko would never be manipulated the way Locke was so he had to kill him lest he see things the way they really are and tries to get in his way. I don't know if they'll ever mention Eko again or if we will see him, but I think this is why Eko was killed, personally. Smokie didn't want him anymore.
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Too bad John Locke penetrated her with the cold steel of a big ass knife :( Oh, and Ana Lucia is definitely near the top of my list AdzonVonMelk. Goth Claire too! Oh and Juliet, and Cindy the stewardess (and now Other) too!
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RULES. Fuck, I miss music videos...
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If you can't even click a button correctly we sure don't want your input here. Anyway, I cannot wait for LOST! w00t!!!
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Incredible ass. But she's no Kate. Sorry. And Shannons legs on their own are easily the hottest thing thats been on the show. But that doesn't technically count I guess. We are talking hottest whole person.
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Sex on a stick, that one. She's even hot in BLACK KNIGHT! Which I love, by the way, so fuck tha Martin Lawrence haters...
How can anyone hate a movie with the line "The King's crazy! He's killing people - over VEGETABLES!" be all bad??
Oh, and Goth Claire definitely. I'd hammer that shit down all day long.
And in context, I never said I WOULDN'T bang Kate - and being from the UK, I'm the same nationality as her boy, so already up a few rungs there! - just that she's not repeat performance material what with her mental instability and all. And as far as Michelle Rodriguez goes... when she looks like a girl, hot as hell, but as she mostly loks like a dude and has that fucking attitude problem... One nighter, methinks.
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Just sayin'...
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Kate's Kitten Mittens.
Also, just to spoil it..In the Alt-time line, he is dating Chase Utley. -
Evangeline's hotness. She is the most beautiful woman, I've ever seen, full-stop... and I've seen a few. (Y'know, in pictures.)
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on another note you can understand Sawyer's tears at loosing Juliet's cans
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I'd love to lead her to my Radio Tower.
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and Sun is always number one for me.
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....Sun goes down
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Maybe the only one who, in my book, gives a Kate a run for her money. Maybe not when we first met (so young) but in the episodes before she got Keamy-ed, she was incredibly beautiful. Shannon is hot, Kate is hot, Alex was beautiful. I was incredibly sad when she was killed. Wow. I need to google that girl.
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...his last. Please. Make it so, Harry!
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or old, grrrrrr
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Would love to escort her to Room 23 for some mind-bending jungle love with Daddy.
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First, we'd do some of Locke's psychedelic coconut paste, then once it kicked in, proceed immediately to detonating the large pocket of electrosexual energy emanating from deep within her "Swan site". I'd eventually accomplish this by repeatedly pounding on my "warhead" with a rock. Thus assuring my never having to see how hideous she becomes.
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Is this common knowledge that I'm not in on already? But why the space before the X in that title? Is it supposed to be some hint at who will be involved in the alt-verse (I wasn't counting, but instead of the Oceanic 6 its the LA 10?) or is it a hint that maybe in this universe they weren't on that flight until 2010. Which may explain an older Walt (if they bring him back) and other things people have been nit-picking about. I haven't seen anyone discuss this so I feel like I'm missing something, or reading way to into it.... toughts?
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they want their sexual innuendos back.
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Excellent observation regarding why Smokie seemed to be schizo regarding Mr. Eko. These are the kinds of mysteries that I think they're referring to when they say "they can't answer everything", as we are supposed to intuit this on our own, and in my opinion, it is WAY more satisfying this way. For example, we were never explicitly told what the polar bears were doing on the island, but if you actually use your head, you can easily understand it. Charlotte finds a polar bear fossil in Tunisia, Ben/Locke get transported to Tunisia following a turn of the frozen donkey wheel which just happens to be in a...polar environment. Did we have some Marvin Candle video beating us on the head with that? No, it would be pedantic and give you a sense of, "Oh, that's it?" But having to put together clues that are sprinkled throughout seasons to solve series-long mysteries is so much fun, and when I've shared this observation with fellow Lost fans, their "FUCK. DUH." reactions are priceless. If this is the way the producers are going to handle some of the outstanding mysteries, I'm A-OK with that.
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I tried to talk about something serious regarding Eko's death, but so far we can't seem to get past who we want to bang cocunuts in the jungle with. This talkback is literally nothing but euphemisms for which survivor would get the dipstick fastest. Really. Lost talkbacks are usually intelligent. Oh well...it's fun at least. Alex or Kate, Alex or Kate, Alex or Kate....
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Also, regarding the polar bears, I think you are right on with the fact that the others or Dharma or whoever probably used the polar bears, in the cold environment, to push the donkey wheel once to see what happens without having to do it themselves...there were also hints (I think it was written on the blast door in the hatch that smashed Lockes leg) that the polar bears were orginally brought by Dharma for scientific experiences on Climatization. Like they were jsut trying to get polar bears to live in a tropical environment and observe the effects...that alone is enough observation for me. I never though the polar bears were there because "the island is crazy and polar bears live there" They were brought for experiments, the same way the Dharma Sharks were used for various experiments on the Hydra Island. I think Dharma did experiements on as many subjects as possible, and animal research on the island is what the hydra was used for primarily. When they found the donkey wheel, I think Halliwax just took a polar bear from the cages and used it to turn the wheel.
Thank god there are other people out there like you who are interested in poutting the pieces together themselves, rather having everything spelled out to the point of retardation. Not everything is so important it needs explained...so many things are inferrable so far. I feel really bad for stupid people who enjoy the show. Anyone with an inability to connect dots and make educated inferences is just fucked in terms of understanding the big picture. -
I believe it's a play on words trying to make a comic book reference. Like, parallel realities are called 'Earth X' or 'Earth-2'. So a play on the abbreviation LAX gives us the designation of this timeline--LA X.
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I did write a reply, but then got sidetracked with the smut and edited it!
I can see what you're saying about eko, but what happened in the show between smokie seeing him and then killing him? was it even in the same episode? my memory is sive like going back that far. I also agree with the poster above saying that this is one mystery i dont think will ever get answered, itll be one where we have our own interpretation. until we find out (if we do) how far ahead jacob and MIB are able to plan and see ahead then we wont know if eko was a choice for him -
Those are some fascinating quotes. Richard Alpert fucking rules.
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"Thank god there are other people out there like you who are interested in poutting the pieces together themselves, rather having everything spelled out to the point of retardation."
Amen.
And speaking of which, the polar bears! They were brought over by the Dharma Initiative (shown in the orientation video when mentioning animal research and the cages built at the Hydra station), and kept by the Others (Tom Friendly's comment to Sawyer about getting the fish biscuit) to test the Frozen Donkey Wheel (hence, Charlotte finding a polar bear in the Tunisian desert where Ben and Locke pop out after pushing the FDW). Boom! -
Thanks. I really wanted to talk myself into the LA-2010 idea... but among other things, claire seems to still be pregnant in the clip for tonights show... similarities would be fewer and further between in the alt timeline if it were 7 years in the future.
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No prob, dude. And there are MANY things different in LA X (people missing off the plane, Island underwater). So I could see where you're coming from (X = 10 = 2010; that's nice!). But I've got a strong feeling it's still 2004.
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The original talkback for epi 2.9 'What Kate Did' Nov 30th, 2005. Cheif has some interesting theories. I wonder if we'll get to see the big black horse again.
Anyway, here be the link to it:
http://tinyurl.com/y8p3axa
The node code for that TB is 21929
Oh, and Fain and Miyamoto thanks to your pointin out Juliet's Cans. Again. I now have to find my VHS copy of GIA.
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I think alot of people put 2 and 2 together when the polar bear bones turned up in tunisia and then ben pushing the "frozen" donkey wheel and ending up there.
there are definately a few levels of viewer tho. most people here would be pretty clued in i should think(else why are you here on the interwebz discussing it), but i talk to people at work and they havent got a clue whats going on beyond what bites them in the arse -
actually one of the few humans on Earth who is uglier than Jay Z ?
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So, What Kate DID was the episode where she blew up the house with her moms fella in it which lead to her being on the run. What Kate DOES, you reckon shes going to go back to the house and find it intact and hes still alive? Wouldnt explain why shes in custody on the plane, but would make a nice lost BOOM at the end.
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When it comes to this bands place in the show's mythology I've gotta say that I want some fuckin answers maaan! Otherwise it will remain some absurd impenetrable in-joke with no meaning for anyone outside the writer's room and/or used as ammunition for the doubters to prove Darlton "made it up as they went". There's got to be more to it than what we've seen. Anybody think they might show up at the temple?
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And the young Eloise Hawking. Gotta be some sort of Faraday obsession. I want his chicks.
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And the smutiness of this TB ever expands, like my...
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Maybe we've already met one of the bandmates of Geronimo Jackson at the Temple. Doesn't 'Lennon' look like he could slap a mean '70s bass?
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I've been wanting that episode for 3 seasons. I'm hoping it explains that crappy wig he was wearing (along with a burlap sack) when he first meets Ben. And I hope they explain the fake beard and the other affectations of the Others. Some used them, some didn't, and then the whole fake beard thing just kinda went away. Like Libby hanging out at the mental hospital where Hurley was.
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Charlie was in Drive Shaft. They were a one-hit wonder that everybody sorta' remembered.
Could we assume Geronimo Jackson was a similar one-hit wonder? If Lennon is a member of the band, is his character somehow an analogue to Charlie's? History repeats itself and all that?
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Crezwell- I agree. But I think alot of people want some crazy significance to the Polar Bears and other Island Oddities, not rational explanations.
In that vein, this show reminds me of movies like Signs (bear with me here)... You build suspense with some un-seen element, but the reveal is underwhelming. Sometimes its because the effects are lame, but a lot of times its because that un-seen, mysterious element has built up specific expectations, and by the time its revealed, those expectations aren't in-line with what we see.
I think Lost has that potential- that some answers are going to leave people upset because they aren't in-line with what they've come to hope for. That's why I'm really hoping for some ambiguity out of this last season. I know that would leave people furious, because so many want to be spoon-fed an ending, but I love the fact that this has been a show that has driven me to buff-up on theology AND quantum physics after a single episode. I wouldn't mind having to draw my own conclusions for some things, even in the end. -
lmao
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Seems like the tidiest way of explaining a few things. Not a new idea I know but we're at the point now where we know a little bit about Jacob, and presumably Claire is about to come back into play. Would explain Christian's link to the island as well.
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well outside of the final.
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agree completely. im not gona spout "its the journey not the ending" or any cliche, but no other show has me researching egyptian gods to find clues on whats going on. i was discussing with a mate of mine that i'll be happy with only half the answers at the end, aslong as theyre the important ones. its the only show where ive watched disappointing episodes and then the theorising afterwards has made me hyped for the next one alone, i actually enjoy the theorising and researching as much as i do the show, if not more.
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Haha definitely, I'm getting quite the psychedelic sixties vibe from Lennon and that temple kinda seems like a less bloody Kurtz Compound (also Hurley inexplicably carrying a giant wooden Ankh in a guitar case seems rather curious). Somehow hippies found that island man. If I ingest enough LSD will I be transported to the island?
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Also, if Aaron is "raised by another" that would now mean Claire gets to Los Angeles, and the island is underwater. So in this new reality, would that be a chance for the writers to say what if Jacob was never born on the island? Aaron's being tied to the Oceanic Six must be building to something. I'm probably barking up the wrong tree as to what.
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its a Kate episode, but its still Lost, hope this kicks ass to prove my fears unfounded, and end Kate-centric on a great note
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i mean reading wikipedia when i should be working, like now. im a tv/movie geek, not a mofo library geek!!
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In the recap episode. Very nice and distracting.
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LOST opened my eyes to some books I sadly may not have read, number one on that list is VALIS.
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you sound like my wife. She swears Jay-Z is the ugliest man in showbidness.
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I've wondered as well whether the Island was some kind of entity disguising itself as the environment. Weird.
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Double agreed. Art that makes you think, draw your own conclusions and seek out more knowledge. What could be better?
And Miyamoto, I'm with you on the Kate-centricity of this episode. Makes me nervous. BUT! Even if it isn't the best...next week's a Locke episode, y'know. Hehehehehehehe! -
I'm sure there will be talk of it tonight, but wasn't this revealed in a comic con video, similar to how we learned of Hurley's ownership of Mr. Cluck's Chicken and his opening of the Australian restaurant?
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TheUmpire, you just made something go *click* in my brain.
We've been trying to visualize MiB as an entity, creature, what have you, that takes on various shapes and appears as different people. But what if MiB isn't 'Esau/Nemesis' or The Black Smoke or 'UnLocke' or any of the other ghosts. What if those are simply physical representations or tendrils of influence that the 'MiB' controls...
What if it's The Island?
It's a creature, in and of itself. Jacob is it's jailor and keeps it out of synch with time, reality, what have you. For the X-Men fans in the room--it's Krakoa. The Living Island.
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Remember, part of the anagram for the law firm Agostini and Norton, that came to Kate's door, is "Isn't Aaron, Don't go in..."
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He's tall, and kinda smokin' hot.
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..the analogy to Kurtz's Temple compound. Everyone hide the machetes. Stear clear of the phunky photojournalist...
Which now reminds me of a trouble I have had and mentioned. How is that we have had two Tran-Pacific flights go down on the island, in this age of you-tube ..and not seen anyone with one flippin camera?
Ah..."They were going to make me a major for this and I wasn't even in their fuckin army any more. Everybody wanted me to do it, him most of all. I felt like he was up there, waiting for me to take the pain away. He just wanted to go out like a soldier, standing up, not like some poor, wasted, rag-assed renegade. Even the jungle wanted him dead, and that's who he really took his orders from anyway."
"PBR Street Gang this is Almighty, over.." ..awesome thought, Bach. -
Never really noticed Nikki until her striptease but DAMN! She had a great bod. And Goth Claire is just too hot for words
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my first X-men book. Ahh, good times. Lets see em make a movie of that!
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"As to our reality being a projected framework -- it appears to be a projection by an artifact, a computer-like teaching machine that guides, programs, and generally controls us as we act without awareness of it within our projected world. The artifact, which I call Zebra, has "created" (actually only projected) our reality as a sort of mirror or image of its maker, so that the maker can obtain thereby an objective standpoint to comprehend its own self. In other words, the maker (called by Jakob Bohme in 1616 the Urgrund) is motivated to seek an instrument for self-awareness, self-knowledge, an objective opinion or appraisal and comprehension of the nature of itself (it is a vast living organism, intrinsically -- without this mirror -- without qualities or aspects, which is why it needs the empirical world as a reflection by which to "see" itself)."
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there has to be a force above Jacob and MIB that have set the rules in place, that require a loophole.
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"It constructed a reality-projecting artifact (or demiurge; cf. Plato and the Gnostics), which then, on command, projected the first stage of the world we know. The artifact is unaware that it is an artifact; it is oblivious to the existence of the Urgrund (in terms that the artifact would understand, the Urgrund is not, rather than is), and imagines itself to be God, the only real God.
Studying our evolving reality, the Urgrund more and more adequately comprehends itself. It must allow the reality-projecting artifact to continue to project an evolving reality no matter how defective and malshaped that reality is (during its stages) until finally that reality is a correct analog, truly, of the Urgrund itself, at which point the disparity between the Urgrund and the projected reality is abolished -- whereupon an astonishing event will occur: The artifact or demiurge will be destroyed and the Urgrund will assimilate the projected reality, transmuting it into something ontologically real -- and also making the living creatures in it immortal. This moment could come at any time, this entrance of the Urgrund into our otherwise spurious projected framework."
And oh yeah, thanks MacFaux...kind of surprised that others didn't think the same actually.
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We may be over thinking this, who knows (who cares as well that is part of the fun), again I am happy that Lost brought me back to PKD and all his amazing ideas.
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"Zebra, the projecting energetic artifact, is close at hand, but it has occluded us not only to its actions but [also] to its presence. It has enormous -- virtually decisive -- power over us.
The prognosis for (fate of) our world is excellent: immortality and the final infusion of reality once it has reached the point of congruent analog to the Urgrund. But the fate of the artifact is destruction (unknown to it). But it is not alive, as we and the Urgrund are. We are moving toward isomorphism. The instant that precise isomorphism is reached, we at once bond to (are penetrated and assimilated by) the Urgrund, in a stunning flash of light: Bohme's "Blitz." March 1974 was not that moment, but rather Zebra the artifact adjusting its projected reality, it having gotten off course in its evolution toward isomorphism with the Urgrund (a purpose unknown to the artifact)."
Hmmmm...Jakob, Flash of Light, 1974...fun to ponder.
If you're interested there's alot more where this came from. http://tinyurl.com/65qnhl
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so only when it was drowned (sunk to the bottom of the ocean) and unable to carry on living were the losties able to return to their previous lives as if it never happened.
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is the clue to the entire series, especially the "flash sideways". Nuff said.
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recently popped up out of the blue, has seen EVERY episode it seems, knows as much as the hardcore fans, but somehow dislikes the show? Yeah right, NO ONE is that sado-masochistic. Not buying it. This is someone high on the LOST production totem pole, screwing with us, and/or trying to guage response to plot devices and possibly rework upcoming narrative based on what we say. I for one am not participating anymore in his games. Sorry Damon, or whoever you are.
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In addition to your Charlie thought, just ran across this on that there lostpedia..."Charlie's middle name, Hieronymus, means "sacred name" in Ancient Greek, and is a variant of the name "Geronimo".
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What is the deal?
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TheUmpire, you're on fire!
Can I say, I'm digging the vibe on the TB right now. Great ideas being shared, no one's angry, hardly anyone's negative. Could it stay this way forever, please? -
Ah, but she's a regular cast member now. Score us!
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*points frantically at what you last said, the underwater living Island thing*
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I hate the Kate face!
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Any thoughts on what would happen if someone were to die in the alternate timeline? What effect would it have on the present day island? It seems that maybe there is some connection between the two realities, but who knows...
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her storry arc was one of the best. She could kick ass and then be gentle an loving in the next scene. Oh, and of course those ripe mellons...In the words of Jim Carey "If I was a boxer I would bounce those things like Sugar Ray Leonard!"
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But i like em young though :)
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MIB poses as Locke. Now dead Sayid lives right after Jacob dies. Coincidence?
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and just noticed...in the underwater shot at the beginning. Did you see the big fish as the camera pans around the foot of the statue? That's a Dharma shark, with the Dharma logos branded on it.
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I was just excited about thinking that that Krakoa-Island-thing might be the 'entity' that we think of as the MiB, and that he is somehow Jacob's prisoner.
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The Island is Cthulhu!!!
I'm sorta only half joking. -
... While he slumbers underwater.
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That *is* interesting.... Cept where is home for him? OUTER SPACE????
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Not attractive at all. It's definitely all about Juliet.
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great shout out to the followers.
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I thought the same thing, but I'm talking myself out of it- MIB poses as Locke, he doesn't body-snatch him (as we saw Sayid's corpse come back to life), and Sayid seemed to be confused or shocked when he woke up, and if it were Jacob, I would think he would be calm and very aware.... Just my take though.
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got ideas on how MIB/Smoky was able to appear at young Ben's window in Dharmaville while the Sonic Weapon Fence was on? This has been bugging me since the premiere.
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She's all funbags... Ilana has more assets...
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Project bad ass!
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Ohh, the things I'd do to her paralyzed body! Razzle-Dazzle!!
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I fully expect to see her climb out of the sand in tonight's episode.
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Ain't too bad either..I'd love to "Pump Up her Volume" ifyaknowwhatimean...
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They weren't *that* big. Sure, they're nice to look at, but IMHO a rack has to be at least a D cup before we can classify it as being in "Melon" territory.
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But that's me. Still a hottie, though.
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Nadia!!! I would torture many men to get a piece of that.
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but then watch her scene(s) with Angelina Jolie in Gia. You will change your mind. Of course at the end of the day, Charlotte is the bee's knees.
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What if Jack accidentally kills Locke on the operating table in the alternative timeline.
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We need to know Dharma was doing there. Farraday, in particular.
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thats the secret to it all
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Bandage free of course!!
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Hated her from that very moment. I seriously went and made a grilled cheese sandwich right after that episode.
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to me Ilana kind of looks like Mickey Rourke in Sin City? Anyone? She always looks like she's right about to sneeze. Alex and Goth Claire all the way. Also, I think the only poetic way for Kate's character to be wrapped up is if she ends up totally alone with no one to use. Her whole existance is wrapped up in escaping from people that she truly should get what she wants. Aside from holding onto Aaron everything she has ever done on this show has been selfish and duplicitous. and she even kept Aaron because she "needed him." Of all the characters on Lost I feel she deserves happiness the least.
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doesn't have the right letters for Cthulhu. It can't be true.
I'm sure we could all agree that Hugo's mother is the thing farthest removed from hot on the show. In fact, I'm starting to think Carmen Reyes is Cthulhu. -
for ugliest person on the show ever.
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Good pictures in this Hotties of LOST top ten. Holy Shit Ilana!!! http://tinyurl.com/ygzvnck
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Oooooooohhhh Myyyyyyyyy!
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had an ocean bathing scene yet? I mean come the fuck on...http://tinyurl.com/ykpoll9
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Anybody know if this code mentions Geronimo Jackson or Cthulhu?
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I really have never understood why thats such a mystery. I'm not trolling, clearly, cause I'm here all the time, but why is it such a big deal to you what happened there? He was working with the Dharma Initiative undercover basically for one, just to stay alive and involved in things, and two, to figure out a way to get back. He spent three years there, our people spent threes on the island. He probably did lots of science and talked lots of crazy Daniel Faraday-ish science nonsense with other scientists, and he figured some shit out. Is there anything specific reason, or line, or event that makes you think something so interesting happened there that we need to find out? Daniel Faraday is dead, man. It sucks, a lot, cause he was awesome, but him and charlotte are dead.
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so i think the one time we saw richard with long hair in rags is the one time we saw the true richard. i think he died and then became an entity similar to jacob and mib . bound by odd rules but extremely powerful.
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This show has nearly gone off the rails. Once a character centric-mystery show now has alternate timeline-versions of characters and on-island-characters-switching-bodies. Although it hasn't yet, I don't want to see this show fall apart under it's own weight.
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just because I want to see the DeGroots and what the fuck a Dharma Initiative corporate office looks like. I bet they have a fish tank!
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The alternate timeline versions are allowing us to get back to the character centric stories while the on island stuff is giving us heaps of mythology. I feel like i got my cake and 10 utensels to eat it with.
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Her whole backstory is there just to explain why there was a gun on the plane.
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I would say at least a look at Ann Arbor would be cool. Granted, I seriously doubt we would get any "answers" about Ann Arbor, Dharma, DeGroots, Hanso, etc., but it would be cool to just see the US Dharma headquarters.
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Maybe he just sensed it wasn't the right time to open it. That Jacob wasn't ready for him to open it. Or if he did open it maybe all he saw was Dharma Ranch.
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But we saw short hair richard in the 50s. Do you think that richard was a smoke monster as well?
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When Lennon asked him, he kind of stammered, "maybe" indicating that he did, but didn't want to lie about it, because he hates lying.
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Yup, her scene with Jolie is worth it, but stop watching the movie right after that! Don't think, "Aww, this is really hot and I want to see more of this," 'cause that just ain't happening. Gia dies of AIDS and the flesh off her back slides off due to sores. A big nasty bumout of an ending that will harsh your naked Juliet high.
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I think its more an issue of time being so relative on the island. I'm not sure if he would be a smoke creature as well or something else. I still lean toward the theory that Locke did see something beautiful in walkabout. maybe it was the true form of whatever richard is.
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I guess he was trying to show those he communicated with at the Flame that Dharma still existed and certainly wasn't all gassed.
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At some point after the Incident, they had a polar bear turn the wheel and move the island by accident. This disabled anyone from getting on or off the island, so there last bastion of communication with the outside world was The Flame. So if the Others took over the Dharma Initiative and The Flame, Ann Arbor would have no way of knowing. Although they are probably wondering what the hell the DI has been doing for the last 15 years.
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I agree with Dapper Swindler. I figure Dharma had two polar bears and they didn't need to keep them in those cages for tests, so they used one to hide the island (and was sent to Tunisia) and the other was allowed to roam the island, to enjoy being free. What a great life for that Polar bear. Everything he could ever wa...BLAM!!! The first casualty of the Losties.
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I think that Hurley hasn't really had the chance to talk about the suitcase with anyone. He sees Jack and everyone on the plane, but he's more concerned about others going down in the crash. Then they land and it's 1977 and he has a whole lot of other stuff going on. This is really the first time it has come up. Now granted, while he was writing Empire Strikes Back or cooking chili for the Dharma folk, he might have brought it up in passing, but then again, Hurley never wants to appear crazy.
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Sawyer killed one, and there was the one that was after Walt that one time... probably the same one (but may not have been) that Locke rescued Eko from as well.
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This should settle the matter. http://tinyurl.com/ykqt6y6
You'll notice those clothes feature her amazing legs which are rarely shown on Lost. The dumbest decision these producers have made over the years is keeping Kate in jeans so often. -
Considering how much shit went down, I think a guitar case and an ankh were just a drop in the bucket. Also, Hurley is kind of sensitive about talking to dead people so he probably didn't want to bring it up.
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Unless that was MIB taking the form of a Polar Bear? Ok, that was too much of a reach. My mistake.
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Humorous Mr Cain!
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I like the show, I really do... I just hope the big reveal isn't that the island is a alien spacecraft or something lame like that. Same goes for any religious endings. Most people I know who love this show happen to be atheists and ABC would be losing a big part of their fan base if they went that route.
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a gazillion Twilight Zone episodes all mashed in to one semi coherent Will they be able to tie up all the loose ends and make it fully coherent? Only time will tell...
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It's the Dark Tower. The island is a hub of space, time, and possibility.
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Disagree completely re: Oliver's posts making the TB more interesting. Most of it has been done to death already, but by the middle of the last TB I was actively skipping any post that had anything to do with his gripes.
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I love lost. But this episode better not be her trying to find another damn toy airplance.
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think about it. Think about the opening title spirals (which had an end) in Dark City
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I think an Alien reveal at the end would be a disappointment. This series has been about the human journey, parents and children, free will and destiny (yes, there are other themes as well). But at the core, it's about human emotion and motivation. It feels like an alien reveal would somehow betray this, besides the fact that I don't think they have laid enough groundwork in the story for it to bear such a reveal.
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Is that it completely changes the direction the series has gone for the last six years. It pulls the rug out from under us and says "you know how you thought the show was about this? Well, it's actually about this instead. The end." Such a feeling would not sit well with the fans of the show because the show instantly becomes a different kind of show and has been all along. I wouldn't worry about it. I trust the writers. I'm sure whatever explanation is out there it will be satisfying.
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So in this timeline the island sunk in 1977 correct? How do we know then, that as a result Jack's dad doesn't die until 2007 in the new timeline, or that Hurley doesn't take his trip to Australia till 2007 or etc., etc. etc. to all of the events that brought the various 815's to Aussie in 2004 have not happened until 2007 in this new timeline? I watched the S6 premiere twice and I can't recall at any point anyone saying that it was the year 2004, NOR that the flight they were on was indeed Oceanic flight #815. It was an Oceanic plane, yes, but I don't think we ever got the flight #...
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How is it that a polar bear managed to move the island? In the S4 premiere Charlotte finds a polar bear skeleton in Tunisia, right? Which is where the exit lets you off of the island if you turn the big wheel and move it through time. So are we meant to think that at some point somehow a Dharma polar bear got down into that chamber with a person while the wheel was being turned? Wonder if that'll ever be explained.
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Only survivor of the island sinking!
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It's something that will be hopefully revealed to us later. As far as we can tell, it is 2004 in the alt timeline as of the premiere... but yeah, you're right I don't think they specifically said what year it is in the alt timeline.
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And presumably jughead sunk the island in 1977. However, we can't be 100% sure of any of this.
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As we saw, when DHARMA was building the Orchid last season, they used sonar to see into the chamber on the other side of the wall and saw the frozen donkey wheel. At some point, I imagine, they find a way into that chamber. As polar bears were already on Hydra Island learning tricks and figuring out how to get fish biscuits, I wouldn't be surprised if they used their new trained animals to push the wheel and see what would happen.
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Personally I think the 815 that didn't crash was in 2004 just like the 815 that crashed was - just different/alternate timelines.However, it's interesting to me to see how 2004 was never mentioned in the episode - now was 2007.Anyone think they'll point this out and nail it down during the "Enhanced" version tonight?
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want LostBoyTexas' head on a platter for spoiling the underwater island reveal hours before the premiere? He seems like a fan of the show so I don't know what the point of it was for. To piss other people who share something in common with him? I just don't get why he isn't banned for that. Is there soething we can do to make sure he can't do it again? Aside from ignoring the thread until an episode is over, because I bet he will just spoil a future episode. I love this place but I don't want the fnal season of Lost ruined by a cretin fuck either.
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Other than the apparent supernatural qualities of Jacob and his enemy. To me, I think the fact that the island could sink reveals something about its true nature that may be alien. And I do think it's possible to handle aliens in such a way that does not conflict with the themes of the show. But I will argue that the themes of the show are not nor have they ever been about alien invasion.
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he done that last season to. nothing u can do really. just ignore the fucktwit.
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Not that I'm necessarily against it, but it just ain't gonna happen.
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He is either an alien, from the future, or a god. If there is a fourth possibility I would love to hear it.
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Yeah, kinda late in the game. I'm all for aliens, but I don't think there has been a good set up for them. Although Smokey could be something not of this earth...
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Did the previews for the season premiere show the underwater island? I never saw it if it did. I thought general consensus on this board was no spoilers before the show aired? But I'm brittle and uptight for hating a troll who isn't enthusiastic, McGoo. He's a dick. Enthusiasm= coming on here and spoiling shit for people? You sound like a troll petter. Do you have fun finding out big show reveals before they happen? But I guess LostBoy posting spoilers episodes in advance last season too was just enthusiasm and not the work of someone trying to ruin something other people haven't seen. Isn't Lost all about the mystery and discssing the theory's surrounding them, not finding out everything in advance and then discussing...what? LostBoy is like a guy standing out front of a movie theatre telling people the end of the movie as they walk in. But I guess I'm too brittle to care. Thanks Jay2517...much better advice. I think I'll go on the Book of Eli thread and post the twist...I'm feeling enthusiastic.
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Indeterminate. But I ask again. Have you ever seen the work of Yung23 's 3d maps of the island? Or the Rousseau maps in detail from the lostmap blog? link to map:
http://tinyurl.com/IsleGrave
~Ω
The most intriguing thing to me has always been the two distinct mountain ranges. The ranges resemble the remains of two great Titan-ish heavenly Angel-ish snaky Quetzalcoatl-y beasts that died and lie or in repose, decayed and fossilized. And the earth passed them by; covered them over. I wonder if they were.. related. What did Jacob wrestle again?
Whoever was beaten by this Angel
(who often simply declined the fight)
went away proud and strengthened
and great from that harsh hand,
that kneaded him as if to change his shape.
Winning does not tempt that man.
This is how he grows: by being defeated, decisively,
by constantly greater beings.
Ok, well maybe you do need to tilt your head, close one eye and squint out your other ...to see it on the map.. Whiskey helps too.
Yeeeeeeee Haaaaah!.. I'm in the Whiskeeeeeey! (shout out to KissingSuzyKobler there)
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"It does allow us jaded seen it all before types to re-discover our youthful sense of wonder by giving us something that is utterly NOT predictable-- at beswt we are left with educated guesses, and it is a lot of FUN doing all of this, isn't it??????"
I agree with that statement 100%. So, tell me where spoiling the underwater island alowed for any unpredictability?
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The Island granted him the gift of immortality in order to be a shepherd of some sort. Same with MiB. Same way Jacob gave Alpert the gift of non-aging. Maybe?
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You Are Everybody! You Are Everybody! hmmm..
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I think it's You All Everybody! But it still works.
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Ultimate Abrams tie-in! Maybe the towers are still standing in the new Lost world.
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Interesting thought, but I'm pretty sure everyone watching the final episode would be pretty pissed and equally amused actually, if that had anything to do with the final reveal.
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Are you a full week behind in watching this show or something? Because the island was underwater in last weeks episode, not this weeks so it's not really as big of "a spoiler" as you are making it out to be.
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but you're still sticking up for a troll. I agree with what you're saying about not letting him ruin it, but you sound like I should be stoked about someone who pops onto this forum, leaves a spoiler and then disappears. That's the definition of being a troll. Knowing the island was underwater didn't ruin my enjoyment of last weeks fairly perfect premiere but how do we know the next spoiler he posts won't be for the finale? You don't want that to happen right? You do still like to be surprised? Do you remember on the board during season three when someone came on and spoiled the fact that is was a flashforward? I think Lostboy is the same person who did that. That's all I'm getting at. Or will all be forgiven because he's enthusiastic?
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Feb 09, 2010 5:34:43 PM CST
How do you explain profit,and the need to exeed 100 episodes
by thedannerdaliel
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LostBoyTexas posted it in the forum for last weeks episode three hours before it aired anywhere. He posted it at 6pm on the second. But I'm bittle for it pissing me off I guess.
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I don't think there are only three choices. I guess it depends on your definition of those things though, but they're specific enough to me that I'd say that's insufficient choices - if only to require a fourth choice of "some heretofore undefined entity".
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is what it would of said if I could type on this damn thing.
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Yeah, angel goes under god. Maybe I should say Jacob is either alien, supernatural, or made possible by future technology.
I'm well aware of the Green Lantern comic and all the other hotly discussed topic. Don't worry, I've read Lostpedia inside and out. I'm just interested in what YOU consider to be signs that point to aliens. So far you've only mentioned Walt's comic. -
That is pretty petty. Although I am curious to know how he was able to watch the show prior to the rest of us.
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And if he's seen ahead of the rest of us what's to stop him from doing it again with a much bigger spoiler? I think he does it just to piss off ToughGuyRizzo.
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Feb 09, 2010 5:47:46 PM CST
I remember when Captain Jack spoiled the ending to S3 finale
by dapper swindler
"Kate calls Jack at the airport!" He posted it a hundred times. Then when he was confronted on it he said it wasn't his fault because you had the option to not read his spoiler. What a prick. That did take something away from the experience of watching that episode. Now I'll never know what it feels like to be surprised by that reveal.
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still love LOST, but her story is just so much filler for me.
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I think that is what I'm going to have to do, just avoid the talkback until 10 and avoid anything with his name on it. My anger isn't all consuming or anything, I just dearly love this show and still lwat the thrill of surprise. Maybe tonight Claire and Kate will share a little more than a cab? eh? eh? I'm so alone.
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I'll betcha.
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Not Much.
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we find out what Dogen wants to talk to Jack about tonight.
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im looking forward to that too. plus, i think they're going to reintroduce "on island" claire.
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Marcellus Wallace's soul
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Yves Adele Harlow ftw.
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Hey, free clothes on an island where a bunch of people go around dressed in rags.
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man, he HAD to be pissed when sayid blew up the station. all those dharma jumpsuits just recently dry cleaned and pressed lol. WHOOPS... sorry for the some of the words being in CAPS....
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or i am never watching again
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That's the spot where they built the chamber we see in the Orchid's orientation video. I guess when Dharma got bored with sending bunnies through time they tried it on something bigger. Good figuring that out!
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Smokey is the Man in Black, so two sides, blah blah blah, back gammon, yakkity shmakity.
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You know how we do
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...are all controlled by the man in black, right? So if we do see "Claire" on tonight's episode, it will just be another attempt for the MiB to slyly convince those on the island to continue to do his bidding (as let's not forget he has been posing as Jacob for some time now). And as what the MiB truly wants is to find a way "home" I'm curious how posing as Claire would aid him in any way whatsoever.
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MY THEORY-submitted *before* tonight's ep aired:
The ALT or flash-sideways isn't either.. its another incarnation or rebirth
The obvious end-game of LOST is some core struggle between Jacob and the MIB over the island, but the larger secret is that the show is ultimately about whether or not the core 815ers will remember that they were the original ancient rulers of the islands. When and if they do, that will decide the fate of the island, and ultimately, the world.
As we'll go deeper in the temple and other secret areas of the island, someone will eventually stumble across some monuments or statues of the original ancient island gods, and they will have Jack's, Hurley's, Sawyer's, Kate's, etc. faces, because it is them. In this sense I'm using the term "god" as almost the same as "immortal" or "demigod".
The secret word of season 3-4 was "flash forward", hidden in the name of the funeral parlor, Hoffs Drawaler(sp). The secret word hidden in s5 was "reincarnation", hidden on the side of the van that Ben and Jack drove around, "Canton Rainier".
They are some kind of demigod deities, that can physically die, like Jacob, but they reincarnate, and live in timeloops, and have always been tied to the island, for thousands of years, if not eternity.
The reason why young Locke has 'memories' of the smoke monster and would recognize something that already belongs to him is because LOST is a story of timeloops that repeat over and over, but only end once, anything else is progress.
I'm not saying it's specific classic reincarnation or rebirth as taught in Hinduism and Buddhism, but a scifi spin on that that is particular to LOST.
We will find out that the core 815ers predate Jacob on the island.
Think of it like a reincarnated pharoah who has returned to Egypt not knowing that they a rightful heirs to their own throne from the past.
Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sawyer, etc. have lived this life before and always do, and they forget their previous life-loop. They make the same mistakes over and over and so it always goes the same way. They come, they fight, they corrupt, they destroy.
The reason why none of the core 815ers can die is because then the island's balance and foothold will be un-anchored. And if they never change from their ways, then eventually the world will be destroyed.
The question is, would it be a good or a bad thing to have the island's power taken down, and the core losties to die?
The MIB and Jacob know the core 815ers actually outrank them, but just don't know it. There is a sense of reverence and respect going to them, even if at times it seems they manipulate the 815 survivors. Jacob might be trying to help them realize their ancient destiny, whereas MIB might be trying to make sure they never remember; or could it be vice versa?
One seeks to help them and the island, one seeks to exploit the fact that they don't know who they really are.
There were the Oceanic 6, there are 6 numbers, and there will be 6 monument busts, of the island god's heads.
The question is, would it be a good or a bad thing to have the island's power taken down, and the core losties to die?
Going along with this is the fact that Matthew Fox, Darlton, and now even Jack Bender all say they know what the final image of the show is. The boxset for LOST is now being promoted for a late summer release with an image of something secret being covered under a Dharma blanket. The most obvious thing that comes to mind is that it's the island underneath that blanket. But what if.. its the final image of the series, since its already known? What if its something very shocking and spoilery? Someone suggested its a sideways laying dead Jack. But what if its a monument to the ancient original island gods: Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley, etc. And thats the final shot as the camera pants to it just before the final credits bow.
Boone's instructions in Locke's vision in s3 to "bring the family back together" takes on new meaning. The bloodlines and birth thing. The two sides could be two ancient immortals/gods who are fighting for the rightful throne to the island. Ben is on a side, Widmore is on another.
Perhaps the Shephard line is the rightful heir.. Christian, Jack, Claire, Aaron. that would explain why smokie went OTT on Eko when he said "The lord is my shephard". smokie may have figured this to be him saying a specific shephard is his "lord". Maybe this theory of reincarnation explains why no one was able to give birth on the island. The reincarnation needed to take place off the island, unless the birth mother was a descendant of the original immortals/gods, etc. That would explain why Aaron was able to be born. And maybe even Rosseau's daughter Perhaps Claire is the reincarnation of Rousseau. And maybe Ben and Widmore are the reincarnation of Jacob and MIB There seemed to be sculptures of somebody in the area underneath the temple where Ben met smokie, but they either disintegrated or were missing. The placards remained The ALT is not an ALT... its not parallel, or alternate. Its a NEW loop.. a new iteration.. a reincarnation. THAT is awesome. And it would also prove they've planned this from the start, if the giant secret to the show is "its reincarnation". Jacob touched them so they would remember the previous loop, or marked them so they would remember the previous incarnation, perhaps.
In season 2, when Michael goes to rescue Walt to the others Camp, Walt tells him that the black woman has been taking blood samples from him.Later on, Michael is promised that walt will be freed if he brings with him KATE, SAWYER, JACK and HURLEY. Remember? They are trying to find who the demigods are, as you say. Thay are always coming back to the island one way or another. Desmond should be another one....
1. I don't need the specific Oceanic 6 to be the exact same people who are the original immortals/gods. I just think it will be 6 people, like the 6 numbers. And I think it will be 6 of the main characters. I think *some* of the Oceanic 6 are them though.
2. I think ethnicity and skin color is kinda irrelevant to the island's mythology. I understand that people's backgrounds, like Sun and Jin with the paiks, and probably Dogen's background, tie into the subplots on the show, but, if people are immortal gods, reincarnated, in repeating time loops, I don't think their ethnicity is too crucial.
3. Jack could not die because the island wasn't through with him. I am not saying the immortals cannot die. I am saying IF they die, then there is a big problem with the island/fate/the world. Sayid is a tipoff to this, with what happened, and that doesn't mean I am saying he is one of the gods
I'm not dogmatically holding this, but I think its an interesting idea and definitely would be shocking. Let me know your thoughts, and maybe see if you can find any clues to either support or refute it. :) **NITE** I submitted this as a theory on another website, and people interjected responses, which I cinluded in this theory. But 99% of it is all mine. -
Oh well. So much for going back and editing on here. :)
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Remember she was lured to the cabin by Christian Shepherd and when Locke saw her there? Maybe MiB's power is sort of limited while trapped in the cabin, but he used Claire to finally let him out.
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Can't wait for tonight's episode!!!
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I haven't had time to read the whole talk-back, so I beg your pardon if this theory has already been kicked around.
I just read this over at lostpedia and wanted to share:
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"* In Star Wars Episode 1 The Phantom Menace, we found out partway through the Queen was a decoy. A fake Queen was put in place to protect the true Queen who was acting as a simple handmaiden to the fake Queen. Padme the handmaiden later revealed she was the true Queen of Naboo. With this said Richard Alpert is the TRUE leader of the island. Jacob is simply a puppet or second in command to protect Richard's true nature, the fact he rules the island & has tons of power we didn't know. This is why Richard plays a prominent role but still remains in the shadows as to not reveal everything. This is why Illana came to Richard, she was ordered by Jacob to find the true leader of the island. Also this is why Jacob summoned the Black Rock.....nobody could easily return to the island back then so Jacob used his powers, given to him by Richard to summon the ship which was carrying Alpert. Even recently the teaser poster for the 6th season had hidden hyrogliphics in the text which translated to "Who is the true leader?" This is why, in season 6, the killing of Jacob will not matter as the true leader of the island will be revealed as Richard Alpert, making his a main cast member.
Also in LA X Richard says to Illana "Just because you asked what lies is the shadow of the statue doesn't mean you're in charge." Illana replies "Then who is?" "Richard" is the next thing said, by Ben
o To help support this theory even more, there have been many Star Wars references on LOST in previous episodes. "
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http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Richard_Alpert/Theories
This is just more of a "damn, that'd be cool" notion than one we can really back up with evidence. Having said that, damn, that'd be cool.
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I've been trying to get back here before the show, but it was a tough commute home.
I don't think that I am taking a myoptic POV, I am just not feeling the alien angle. I'm a big sci-fi nut from way back, PKD is one of my faves. Aliens are good fun, don't get me wrong. When I say that Smokey is not of this Earth, I am thinking more along the lines of magic, spirituality, metaphysics, ghosts, extra-dimensional, mythological, etc. Which, if someone gets all dictionary about it, would make it "alien" I suppose. I am just not thinking the endgame will include a crashed spacecraft. Nanoo-nanoo. -
I bet that what we've been watching this whole time isn't the original reality for these people, but one of many that have diverged since they crashed to the island in whatever the original timeline of reality was. Each new reality has brought about a different variation of these people in which they for one reason or another, come to the island. I was watching Jack and Locke's conversation in the lost baggage office and there's that moment where Locke tells Jack no one actually knows "where" Jack's dad is. And Jack kind of smile and takes that to heart. Which is what the relationship between those two characters has needed all along. For Jack to be a little more open minded. In the reality that we've been watching, that has happened too late, as it probably always has in every other variation so far. Until now. Now the characters have progressed to the point through constantly rewriting their lives that they're the "perfect" version of their selves they need to be to do whatever it is they need to do so Smokey can go home wherever that is. I haven't figured that part out yet.
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there, jacky boy. Hey, is real Locke in Sayid now?
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As we all know, multiple realities can't exist, so the characters we've been watching this whole time will have to give up their existence so their more perfect selves can go on. Or if they want to be really emo about it, vice versa.
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pregnant woman. She IS crazy.
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Feb 09, 2010 8:05:17 PM CST
You gotta admit that cabbie has guts to bail like that!
by hollywoodhellraiser
And Art is showing up everywhere is starting to scare me!
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He never learns...
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Sayid is Sayid
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Its so annoying!
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2nd week of the season and they are already someone goes into the jungle and another has to go find them. Do we really have time for this crap?
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...in the attack on the beach camp!
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while I SHOVE THIS GUN IN YOUR FACE!
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Holy crap!
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Oops someone going mad scientist on Sayid!
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Fucking fuck.
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like a wee bitch, imo.
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NO FUCKING WAY IS THIS SAYID! Dude is a master at torture and highly skilled at ass-kicking! Sayid would never bitch up like this!
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How does your Richard Alpert theory work when we saw him get his ass handed to him by SmokedOutLocke at the end of the last episode? He looked scared shitless when he realized Jacob was dead. Unless it's part of the ruse...
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Feb 09, 2010 8:18:10 PM CST
Buffywrestling, looks like you and I have reach the same
by hollywoodhellraiser
conclusion! This IS NOT Sayid!
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please no trolling this soon mmmkay?? its only 15 mins in idiot
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at the same time!
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When Ben took John to the cabin, it was Jacob. Then, posing as Christian, Smokey had Claire break the ash ring, which is why they were both there when Locke returned to the cabin.
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SmokedOutLocke is my new nickname for MIB/Esau/Smokey/Jacob's nemesis until they give him an official name on the show...
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just not *all* Sayid.
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that something inhabits Sayid.
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I admit, the theory doesn't exactly hold up under close scrutiny. I just thought it was an interesting notion. In general, I'm a fan of any theory that attempts to flip our present ideas of Jacob and the MiB (ie, Jacob is good; MiB is bad) on their head. From what we've seen so far, Jacob does indeed seem to be the one in control. What if he wasn't/isn't?
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Feb 09, 2010 8:21:30 PM CST
Anyone gets the irony of Claire being left pregnant...
by hollywoodhellraiser
on the side of the "street" instead of the road! LOL
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MAC FROM SUNNY IN PHILADELPHIA?!?!
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gets jacked with you in it or anything....
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Island.
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considering he on his way to talk to the guys who just tortured Sayid ! Wait, not man. Stupid.
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He'll turn on everyone and infect them too?
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Why does this show continue to be so willingly obtuse? Okay, so Sayid is "infected." The torture wasn't torture but a "diagnosis." And Jack is supposed to give him a pill that will help him, despite getting NO information from the Samurai and Sol Star? Sigh.
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Where's the rest of the Always Sunny gang? I wanna see Charlie fight the smoke monster!
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this all lost has ever been. We'll never get the answers we wanted sadly.
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they really know how to waste time in the final season.
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Haha, good ol' Hurley.
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right??? just checking. this is how EVERY season's been dummy
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Your theories are as good as any Sir. I think they're always trying to make us wonder who's really in charge. Interesting how who we think is "Good" and who we think is "Bad" keeps changing as well. These guys at the Temple who should be on Jacob's side are behaving like the usual Other guntoting assholes. Don't seem to have any special abilities beyond guarding the Ra's al Ghul hot springs.
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that pill away, I'm going to punch him in the sack.
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Feb 09, 2010 8:36:06 PM CST
Looks like Claire won't be Jughead on the island!
by hollywoodhellraiser
Still she hot and I'm to a Kate and Claire sandwhich!
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the writers sure know how to tread water tho.
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shoves a gun in a pregnant ladies face one scene, then is all indignant on her behalf in another. Fuck off, Kate.
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Maybe LA X Kate and Claire will become a hot lesbian couple and raise Aaron together?
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so disappointing.
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No, really.
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Let's pick up the pace here Lost
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yeah, right.
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Did U want Sayid to say "No I'm not a Zombie. I'm Jacob. And now let me explain everything you've ever wanted to know about the Island before SmokedOutLocke gets here...."
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Nice to see you again in all you fuckupidness.
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This is your standard Kate episode!HOLY SHIT!!!! Look at this asshole!
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Muahahahahahaha! I love this Show!
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I ENJOY this show.
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"Call him Ben" "Call him Locke" - sound familiar?
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WTF?!
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Here, have a puppy!!
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Feb 09, 2010 8:45:52 PM CST
Aaron a handful? Bwahahaha! With that big head...
by hollywoodhellraiser
its no big surprise! And it look like Claire going to have jughead later!
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All this LA X action and Kate & Sawyer blah blah blah is leading up to the reveal of: Gun Toting Crazy Island Claire!
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Smooth, jacky-boy.
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Make him eat poison!! Wait, what?
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yourself, that's probably the best time to start trusting others.
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Feb 09, 2010 8:51:27 PM CST
DAMN!!! Poisoned??? With all those blows Jack recieved..
by hollywoodhellraiser
he could have been a goner either way!
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better be dressed like hot goth claire, or else the episode is wasted
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Just like Padme named Luke and Leia on her deathbed in Revenge of the Sith... and we know how great that was. Look people, I love LOST, but this is the WORST episode EVER, Fact.
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Trusting others or Trusting "Others"? =)
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that is all
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kidnapping & guns in faces. Typical, really.
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Alex and Bernard from LOST are on THE FORGOTTEN right after LOST!
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Glad they made sure an escape con wasn't hiding in the room!
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It better blow my mind in the next 3 minutes. I can't believe I waited a week for this shit.
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So does Sayid.
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with someone who calls themselves wampa_droppings...
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It's Vader
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caught....Wait, does that mean Sayid is preggers and is going to start booby-trapping the jungle?
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what a fucking letdown.
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Huzzah!
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How the fuck is everyone so damn good at shooting on Lost??? And gun-toting Claire isn't exciting!
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I'm about the biggest Lost follower there is, and this episode sucked. Felt like it could've said everything it did in about 15 minutes. Bah.
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While the previews keep stating "the time for questions is over"... there are no answers and the wind feels like its letting up on the sails.
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Why you gotta go kill the best character on the entire show?
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in THIS episode of THE FORGOTTEN or were those scenes from later episodes in the ad? Anyway...Barry Bostwick, Gail O'Grady and Elisha Cuthbert are usually worth a look see...
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No worse than Eggtown. Next weeks looks like some serious Locke awesomeness!!!
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supposed to suck so they appeal to women who care about that stuff
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gets us one step closer to Goth Claire...
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'CLAIM'.
Huh.
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That kind of episode might have gone over in season 2, but the time for filler and foreshadowing and hinting is over.
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tonight's episode was proof.
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I don't remember when met Kate before. Was it when her and Sawyer escaped the cages??
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Kate episodes suck. Kate is a horrible character. And pre-Island Claire isn't much better. The sky is blue. Farts are funny. Boobs are awesome. Get over it.
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And Maggie Grace was the hottest LOST girl or at least the prettiest, even though her character was a bitch. And I'm still pissed that they killed off Locke, he would have loved to meet Dogen and live in the Others' sanctuary.
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Im a die hard fan and was irked by all the "lost sucks" whiners on last week's talkback... but I too felt like this was a 15 minute episode stretched out into 45 minutes.
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when it gets pissed off?"
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Feb 09, 2010 9:12:10 PM CST
And when is Aaron going to be revealed as the antichrist?
by randomwordrandomword
He's supposed to be raised by Claire or else we're all DOOMED!!
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that is. Damn, I'm jittery! Excited with new thoughts...
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I thought the flash-sideways would be a subtle blend of changes and reoccurrences from the island. Instead we get this ham-handed piece, with plot strands connected together with the insight of a script from As the World Turns. Seriously, this was more filler than any other episode in the series, considering this is the final season. I'm trying to see this episode as in the same vein as the premiere, but if this sort of thing continues we are in for some serious shit.
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I don't think I'll be able to eat next Tuesday's meal.
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This episode was no difference!
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ALL that Island stuff was awesome! I don't even know where to start! Gotta' see it again and fast-forward through the flash-sideways.
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The Others KNOW Claire is Jack's sister! How long have they known? Did Ben Linus know? Did Juliet? That alone makes this episode worthwhile! PLUS: The sympathetic Black Other was about to tell Jin where the Ajira flight landed and Claire capped him!
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I'll take yours!
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Disappointing episode on the whole. That said, it seems pretty clear (right now at least) that the parallel universe will mirror the island timeline to a certain degree.
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how did Ethan know how many weeks Claire was along? Did Horace and Amy never go to the island??
Something is afoot. I'm loving it. -
for years."
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She flew that close to the birth LAST TIME? The stress of the day's events made her have him early!
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Feb 09, 2010 9:20:02 PM CST
Loved LAX but yeah there's always 1 token weak Kate-centric epis
by ashokforgiven
No worse than Eggtown. Seriously, I never understood why Darleton didn't just offload Kate Austin with Ana L. and Libby.
Oh well, next week's is Locke centric. And the promo was pretty killer.
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I don't really know why, since there wasn't a whole lot going on. Although there were some redeeming qualities. For the first time in what is probably ever in the history of this show, Jack starts asking questions. Granted, there were plenty of better questions he could have asked, but he kept going and asking them. Of course, The Others go about their superiority complex and refuse to answer most of them.I'm rather ambivalent about the flash sideways this week. On the one hand, I found them to be interesting for what they were, and it gave a more interesting look at how things are going to start converging in the alt universe. I think it was one of the best Kate-centric episodes. On the other hand, I really am not interested in that on a macro level anymore. I want more interesting things to happen. Maybe a glimpse of what's happening on the other side of the island. I don't know. And I really thought there was going to be more of a revelation at the end of this episode about SOMETHING. And I don't really count gun-toting Claire.
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in a reality devoid of the Others. Does this prove that he wasn't working for them and that his vision was real?
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I absolutely love this show but I know I'm not alone in saying that this feels like a different show. Sure the actors are there and so are some of the locations but other than requisite "scratch your head" moments - its not the show I fell in love with. Spending a good third of the episode with "in labor" Claire and fugitive Kate might sound good on the page but it really doesn't work that great. Mostly because THESE ARE NOT THE CHARACTERS THAT WE LOVE. By starting a whole new plot as if the plane never crashed, they are essentially introducing us to a host of NEW characters since they don't share the same experiences and memories of the characters still on the island. That is why the scenes on the island are far more engaging than off - and almost always have been throughout the entire series. Its not all at a loss though - I did enjoy some scenes on the island and that Japanese man is totally bad ass - but I'm worried that far too much time will be spend off the island than most viewers will really care about.
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"I AM."
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My wife flew all the way from NYC to Hong Kong, via Dubai, and back again when 6 months pregnant, and believe me it's not something that airlines take easily. It was inaccurate the first time around on Lost, but we discounted it then because we weren't sure whether the timeline on the island was in keeping with normal time.
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who thinks that the Others knowing Jack and Claire are related is a major revelation that's going to pay off during the rest of this season? The question is: Does Crazy Claire know yet?
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Or is he being sincere? His comments are right on the cusp...
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[From Wikipedia]
Dōgen Zenji (道元禅師; also Dōgen Kigen 道元希玄, or Eihei Dōgen 永平道元, or Koso Joyo Daishi) (19 January 1200 – 22 September 1253) was a Japanese Zen Buddhist teacher born in Kyōto, and the founder of the Sōtō school of Zen in Japan after travelling to China and training under the Chinese Caodong lineage there. Dōgen is known for his extensive writing including the Treasury of the Eye of the True Dharma or Shōbōgenzō, a collection of ninety-five fascicles concerning Buddhist practice and enlightenment.
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Feb 09, 2010 9:30:30 PM CST
Producers stated that off-island storyline will be on a slow bur
by mapman
Cuse and Lindeloff said in an interview last week that you need to be patient with the alternate storyline. Things may converge - or maybe not. Don't understand the haters today. I've been extremely happy with these eps. Throwing Ethan into the mix is even more intriguing.
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a favorite past time of mine lately is listening to jacobs theme music while smoking pot and pondering lost. tonights episode was great, we got more time with the cool temple people, and hints about dark infections, mac showd up!! claire showed up!!!!!!!! sawyer broke down and is now less caring than ever. the side flashes are interesting and puzzling and are a perfect way to finish the trend of flash scenes in the final season i think. this episode plus the preview of next weeks couldnt be better. we have jack kate hurley miles sun and gin with the temple people and richard. claire and sayid possibly infected by smokie. and sawyer being courted by smokie. the final season is really awesome so far. the smoke monster reveal and claire's return alone have been worth the wait.
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at least they got the crappy kate episode out of the way early in the season, now we've just got 15 golden hours of show left. And compared to the other kate episodes this one was probably one of the better ones
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Loved the Island stuff. Not so much the LA X stuff.
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I really don't like this infection stuff but I'm guessing "the others" are the opposite of infected. At some point (even after some brainwashing) they were all drowned, maybe willingly, in the water like Sayid but they returned as Jacob-like as opposed to what happened to Sayid cause MIB infected the water when Jacob died. So that's who the war is between. I think Jack (with help from desmond in the alt) will decide instead of fighting for the island to just end it all and sink the island and they all end up in the alt to end the show.
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Feb 09, 2010 9:37:07 PM CST
I guess some of you just don't give a damn about the characters.
by kisskissbangbang
Fortunately, I do. I'm touched by scenes like the one between Kate & Sawyer. And as for the bond between Kate & Claire, it's obviously bleedthrough from their other selves on the island. Consider the way Kate-LA looks at Jack at the airport, as if she knows him from somewhere. And not only do we find out that Sayid is infected with something so bad those in the know have to kill him, we learn that Claire is infected, too, which means the "Christian" she was so chummy with the last is bad news, too.And since I actually care about the characters, I got chills realizing that two people I like are apparently hopelessly contaminated by (I presume) the Man In Black (which might also explain "Sayid's whimpering).I'm not saying this was the best episode ever, but it's far from the worst. What do you guys want anyway? A couple of badass moments from Locke? Kate seemed pretty badass tonight triggering one of Rousseau's traps and taking out two armed men, but still no love. Do you guys just want Richard Alpert reading letters from viewers and answering questions for an hour? Skip the show and wait 15 weeks; somebody will put it all in a FAQ for you, nice and neat. *Hmph* Kind of people who skip ahead to the end of an Agatha Christie novel.
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I haven't read the talkback so sorry if I'm repeating what's already been said.
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Ethan knew how many weeks she was pegnant because they ask things like that when they admit you and then put it in the chart which doctors look at, nothing more.
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yeah i agree it would be funny, richard alpert taking fan's letters and just explaining stuff for an hour. people who dont like this final season probably never really liked lost, are just the type of people who get on and off bandwagons based on who else is around them. because this final season of lost is way better than the others, ESPECIALLY if you've seen the others. its hard to believe real fans dont like these new episodes, but its very easy to believe people liked the show cause it was hip with people they talked to. then once no one around them cared they realized they were still watching a show they didnt enjoy. dont blame the show for your own trendiness.
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That Kate and Sawyer scene...SUCH good stuff. Don't mind admitting the lump in my throat. How is it I now feel sorry...for Sawyer? Has Josh Holloway been that good of an actor all this time and I just didn't realize it?
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I think everyone wants answers, but more than that they want a cohesively structured plot that offers these answers (however small) in a meaningful way. Claire recoils in horror from Kate at the beginning of the episode, then maybe fifteen minutes of development occurs after this (discounting commercials and island), and they have some profound friendship. The lack of answers is not what gets me about this episode. The concept of flash-sideways is completely new, and yet in its second episode it already feels stale and contrived. LA X worked because it gave time to develop, but this one was clearly plotted out in bullet form, then filled in with generic ties that are not indicative of real character interaction (even by Lost standards).
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Oh the horrible irony! This can't end well for our favorite Iraqi!
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the "Christian" she was so chummy with the last >time we saw her"Sayid's"< whimpering. Mandatory complaint about lack of editing function.
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makes me miss Nikki and Paulo.
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and GO FUCK UR SELF lostBOYtexASS...
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Do you think they'll be back too? I'm still convinced there's some reason, like they're some part of a cog of the giant machine we're starting to see move into motion. Maybe the spider toxin in their veins? Maybe the diamonds? Who knows.
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Feb 09, 2010 9:53:22 PM CST
sick and tired of this continual three-way love triangle from Ja
by gqtaste
I’m sick and tired of this continual three-way love triangle from Jack, Kate and Sawyer. I knew when Juliet died it would start right back up b/c of the female audience. Justthesame, when can you say enough is enough? I know also that they’re going to bleed this show till the very end and a lot of us are going to be furious for getting are hopes up that we’re finally going to get some concrete solutions but I should get prepared that – that is never going to happen. I remember when one of those producers said after the Sopranos finale that they would never end their show the way they did, but I have a feeling that it will be even worse.
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Emphasis on the "bitch" part. Though she got extremely selfish in the on-Island segments too.
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"Its a ... BASEBALL. *under breath* God, its no wonder you were never on any of Jacob's list, you fucking morons...."
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we're not bitching about this cause we're trendy, we're bitching because we've watched over 60 hours of this show by now and can spot a bummer.
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how does it feel to defend a turd episode?
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i hate that beeootcchh with a passion. maybe "claimed" claire will kill her...sigh...wishful thinking...
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"How come everytime I'm about to tell them something you tell me to shut up? It wasn't THAT important what I was gonna say! Its THEM! They're on the god-damned list! I was just gonna give them a little hint!" " SHUT U--" "Don't you tell me to shut up this time or I will bitch-slap you back to Philly!"
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It almost kills me to type that subject line, but as someone who has been an avid viewer since day one, this episode, more than any other, almost bored me. A few good things in it here and there, but it went beyond ANY bounds of reality with Kate escaping from an airport and then cruising all over L.A. in the same cab that she stole. As someone who just recently travelled through LAX, I, and anyone else who frequents airports, can tell you that law enforcement is everywhere. Even had she managed to get to the cab, there is no way she would have made it off property. None. Not only does she get away from the airport, but she basically just strolls around the city. No police picked Claire up? Really? Claire then just hops back into the car with her? I kid you not, I *LOVE* this show, but this episode was just dumb founding. Also, as anyone can see who has read any of my previous posts, I have always let it go that they do not ask questions when even I think they should, but it is getting to the point where it truly is becoming annoying. "What's in the pill?" There are about a gabillion other questions I would be not just asking but demanding. Let him karate chop me a few times, I'm still asking.
Also, really, very few people like Kate or ever did. She is not a bad ass. Any of us who truly know "bad ass" women can tell you that Kate is not one. Poser all the way through.
Nevertheless, I do have to say Sawyer on the dock was great, but, of course, Kate had to cry due to the fact that, "Oh, damn, he did love her. Now he won't do me tonight." Please Smoke Monster, destroy her.
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SHUT THE FUCK UP DONNIE!
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wow dont hate cause im HETERO dude....poor baby troll...
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Feb 09, 2010 10:01:28 PM CST
Claire gave fake birth contractions right after the plane crash
by d.vader
So this timeline is still sorta following the Island timeline, as someone already mentioned.
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Just where are you getting music to Jacob's theme already?
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I actually wouldn't mind Nikki & Paulo making a cameo as sand skelletons, or in alt-LA. Their episode was good at showing events from a different point of view, which was a technique used heavily in the last 2 seasons.
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REJOICE!!!! all hail the troll!!
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Or infected. Jacob's people are enlightened. Bocaj's people are zombies.
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Hence why Sayid was crying and whimpering- like any NORMAL person might do, mind you. But perhaps a temporary result of the fountain is painlessness, and he was not supposed to feel that pain since he was reinvigorated. Either being claimed means he felt the pain when he wasn't supposed to, OR he was PRETENDING to feel the pain thinking that was a normal response... Food for thought.
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I don't think "Christian" is infected; I don't think he was ever Christian. Yeah, we saw him talk to Jack on the outside, but if Jacob can leave the island, maybe Esau (MIB is just too redolent of UFO lore for me to like using it)can as well. He said he wants to go home, but home might not be EArth.Didn't consider that trap might be Claire's, not Rousseau's trap. Hmmm...And weren't Rousseau's companions who got infected last seen going into Smokey's lair? Double hmmm...Got a little irritated there. Sorry, I know some people just can't stand Kate, but they seemed to be the only ones commenting.You & StonedWriter88 (you guys related?) helped mellow me out, though. Thanks.
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IT looked like a black wristwatch to me. Was it supposed to be a black case for the ring? It looked like pliable fabric to me, but was I looking at it wrong?
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The Nikki an Paulo episode was superior to this one in almost every single way. It was fun to watch, showed things, as you said, from a different point of view, and, of course, had Billy Dee Williams! Colt 45!
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Exactly! And with some of the episodes coming up (I speak of the fabled Richard-centric ep), I have a feeling that sort of storytelling will be employed again.
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who the fuck could carjack a yellow cab, FROM AN INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT, with law enforcement viewing the getaway, then drive around LA bus stops, visit a dumped woman with a woman about to drop a kid on her porch, go to a hospital, hide in a rubber glove storage room, and not get caught?!Tonight's episode tested our patience and insulted our intelligence.
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*spit take at the Dogen comment*
He would have to roll his eyes too, though.
The Enlightened and The Claimed. I like the sound of that.
And yes, the pain he felt (or presumed to feel) had to be what gave him away...maybe the electricity he ran through him was powered by the Island? And if he were one of the Enlightened it would, I dunno...strengthen him? Flow through him? More food for thought. -
Next episode now that Bocaj is in control! The dead shall rise! Awwwweeeeeeee!
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I didn't really have any problems with the alternate LA scenes. My issues stem from the island scenes. The Others just keep dragging out the mysteries. These people are on a list....so they must be important. Sayid cannot be allowed to die, he's important. They are blockading the temple against the Smoke Monster. You'd think they'd clue the losties in on what the hell is going on, so they might actually be able to help or just understand so there was no animosity between the two groups.
Everytime Jack wanted answers, you knew the Others would dodge and give some vague mysterious answer. We are testing you. We were diagnosing him. He needs the pill. We don't have enough time to explain what's in the pill. Blah blah blah. At this point in the plot (and series) they need to start filling in the losties (and us).
Sawyer was awesome though. His character has developed the most of any of them since season 1.
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Liked this episode... Dont really see what all the bitching is about... My biggest complaint is about Sawyer... WHEN did this guy become the biggest pussy of the island?????????Jesus, enough already... I hope he gets "claimed"...
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..just know. she didn't watch it, the Premiere, before anyone else. And. She was to lazy and or thick to pretend and type it up herself. She PLAGIARIZED the ODI / DarkUFO summary of Sunset Beach. near word for word ..only reason it tweren't word for word is she is too unskilled to negotiate alt-c when confronted with a HTML obstacle. (Before she sniffles and crys counter ..just go look for your selve-sy ..and then over on at Dark.)
LostVagyTex ..went prancin about the nodes like a wee lass in a short skirt, postin spoilers, hopin to screw Cheif and Pa, cause...well, that's all she has got man. That's it. The flakiest need for a hug from her betters I have ever seen a board.
Tragic. As Non-John did say "Ain't that the saddest thing you've ever heard.." ..It makes me belly laugh and pity her every time she tries to ..well ya know. -
In his nicest way possible, I mean.
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"OR he was PRETENDING to feel the pain thinking that was a normal response"
Yeah, I was half expecting Dogan to hand Jack the wires on the "shocker" and fire it off with no reaction, i.e., it was all show, and the entity/whatever tried to react to it.
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Even though I typed it up, just reading you type it again made me laugh. The sad, even pathetic, thing is that black smoke monsters, hatches, vanishing islands, people that don't age, etc. all are FAR more believable than what Kate did tonight in and around L.A. The writers and everyone involved should truly be ashamed. This is my first time in the six years of the show where I have said anything even remotely this bad about it. Horrible episode.
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You're totally right, Christian had to be Esau. He was already walking around on The Island right before Jack woke up in Ep. 1. So there you go. But Ruseau--bitch was crazy, right?
Happy to mellow a fellow individual. No relation to StonedWriter88, but with a name like that I wouldn't mind hanging with him for a few hours. Y'heard! -
I'll give you the escape from the airport being overconvenient, but I still think the otherwise tough-to- buy trust level between LA-Kate & Claire is an indication that there's seepage from the other timeline, where there's a more legitimately earned trust between them. If not, then you're right. We'll see.
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Over Sayid. I expected him to look for a reaction to it.
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new character since Daniel Faraday...
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In Season 1 he was tortured by Rousseau under suspicion of being an Other who was infected. Now he's tortured by an Other who has a suspicion that he is, again, infected.
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LOST being unrealistic in SEASON SIX???????????What the hell took you so long???
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This episode definitely did not have as many mind-blowing moments of the season premiere, but that's what season premieres are for. There were a couple intriguing things in this episode that will be/are important. What does it mean to be claimed? The Others may not even fully understand: Claire looked a whole lot different pointing that gun than she did chilling with Christian Shepard in the cabin in season 4. Maybe she's not quite claimed. Asian Other Leader telling Jack he needs to seperate himself from those that he leads sorta implies that he does not, and will not even pretend to lead Jack (unlike Ben). Kinda wish Jack had given Sayid that pill, total John Locke blindly following moment, but then again, we have seen where that got Locke. I have complete faith in Darlton and their crew; I believe this will end as awesomely as it begun, and this episode is just a small step, although with only 14 or so episodes left, we don't have time for many more like it.
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This episode definitely did not have as many mind-blowing moments of the season premiere, but that's what season premieres are for. There were a couple intriguing things in this episode that will be/are important. What does it mean to be claimed? The Others may not even fully understand: Claire looked a whole lot different pointing that gun than she did chilling with Christian Shepard in the cabin in season 4. Maybe she's not quite claimed. Asian Other Leader telling Jack he needs to seperate himself from those that he leads sorta implies that he does not, and will not even pretend to lead Jack (unlike Ben). Kinda wish Jack had given Sayid that pill, total John Locke blindly following moment, but then again, we have seen where that got Locke. I have complete faith in Darlton and their crew; I believe this will end as awesomely as it begun, and this episode is just a small step, although with only 14 or so episodes left, we don't have time for many more like it.
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I'm down with that. The ash was to make sure he wasn't the ACTUAL Smokie/Esau. The electricity thing was for show and actually did nothing. The fire was VERY real.
So if he were the really-real Smokie, ash gives it away. If he's Enlightened, he will not react to the ash and electricity. And if he's Claimed, he does what Sayid did. -
About Sayid being tortured... Can't wait to see Sayid go insane with the sickness...
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And at Mr.Hazard, James is a pussy for being heartbroken? I think he's done with Kate, at least it seems so this episode. Yeah, this episode was somewhat lame... even the cockteasing moments were not quite up to par. I'm still confused on Christian's off island appearances- MIB, Jacob, or what?
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Yeah, the off-Island Christian stuff (and the other 'ghosts' like Charlie and Ana Lucia) --that's a good point. Hadn't been figuring that into the equation...
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...you automatically build traps in the jungle?Ok.Sayid will build some mean traps.Buncha bullsit.
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Watching 'Always Sunny.' Tonight's ep. made me nostalgic.
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is over. This is the last season and there are only 15 hours left. How about a nice taut season like the 4th and still best season although even that season had filler. How about spending more time with actual intriguing characters like widmore and richard? And it'd be nice if the flash sideways started going somewhere. Right now they feel like most of the flashbacks from season 3: completely unnecessary.
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Its a 3 step process. Ash to see if you're Smokie. Fake electricity to see if you're gonna fake it like an Infected would. Fire to see if you're gonna feel the pain.
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Feb 09, 2010 10:34:40 PM CST
u do that trollBOYtexASS... like uve never DONE THAT BEFORE...
by jay2517
let me guess...ull come here and SPOIL episodes for regular tb'ers!! that would be SO original of u asshole. ah trolls....
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If Ruseau was 'Infected,' then yeah. They're crazy as batshit on a four dollar bill.
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If you're just gonna read spoiler sites, fine. Just please don't come here and post them and ruin the fun for the rest of us, k? Please.
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I thought that was confirmed last week when Hurley saw Jacob. He's not hallucinating and he's not seeing Island ghosts- he's actually seeing his dead friends. I think we can discount all of Hurley's visions as being Bocaj/Smokie/whoever.
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who gives a shit. I'm neither.
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the process seemed to see if it was "smokie" or a "smoke influenced" persona.
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why not? }:D What's up with the HATESQUAD lately? Get your nits in if ya want but fuck off if that's all your about.
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so u and lostBOYtexASS should get along swimmingly....trolls seem to attract other trolls...sigh...
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But were they? Ghosty Jacob said Jin wouldn't be able to see him. That means his 'spirit' is supernatural in some way. So how could those appear off The Island?
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But were they? Ghosty Jacob said Jin wouldn't be able to see him. That means his 'spirit' is supernatural in some way. So how could those appear off The Island?
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I understand in LOST-time this is pretty much the same day but I'm just sick of it...On the flip side, Jack has been getting his ass kicked for the past 5 eps I think. The Others kicked his ass when Faraday died, Sawyer kicked his ass in the season finale AND the season premiere, and Dogen and the Others kicked his ass after that...He should be one giant scab by now...
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Agreed, but my real point, if I even had one, was that it was implied that Claire(infected) is the one setting the jungle traps, since Rousseau's been dead for years. Infection = jungle trapping? :/
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I mean... If as we know the previously on LOST flash backs and flash forwards are such in relation and in reference to the current temporal location of the folk on the island. Everything flashed back was before 2004 and everything flashed forward was after 2004... If the Boom 7 is in 2007 ..we aren't seeing a Flash Sideways as much as a Flash Acute or ..and this opens up criticism for the trolls ..a Flash Obtuse. It's not so much parallel as ..'back and to the left' ..or the plane landed after 2004.
Still it does seems obvious now, beyond the previously noted changed 'whoosh' .. that events and variables on Island hold as much weight as events and variables off the Island. What I mean is that there is a to and fro, back and forth connection between the folk on and off the Island now; Actions that are cause 'here' can be effects 'there' and vice versa. It is not as before asynchronous.
Do you think it possible.. that in this 'iteration' ..on this side of things ..Kate did get to go and live with her 'other' father Sergeant Major Sam Austen in Korea. Is it possible that in this 'iteration' Srgt Maj Sam hit that (as the theory goes) ...well Jin's mom was a prostitute and his father unknown.
Yeah, I typed it Kate and Jin are Sister and Brother!
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He has the ability to really see dead people. Before we had 2 options- either those people are there or he is crazy and seeing them in his head. We got a confirmation that Hurley- and only Hurley- is seeing them for some reason. I guess Charlie and Ana-Lucia *could* just be Island manifestations, but at this point, bc of their help, I think it was actually them, just like Charlie said. "I am dead. But I'm also here".
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Double post. Sorry!
wampa_droppings -- I dunno. Maybe they go native? Actually go paranoid crazy and become nutso jungle people? Sure we'll get more answers in the next couple eps. -
I fucking hate it when shows kill someone off and immediately write every character so that they've gotten over the death. HEROEs did a good job this season having people mourn over a particular character for awhile. I'm glad they're doing the same with Sawyer and Juliet. Because NOTHING pissed me off more in Season 4 than when Claire seemed to immediately move on past Charlie's death. She should have been greatly affected by that. Example: She shouldn't have told Kate, in New Otherton, that she couldn't sleep bc she wasn't used to having a bed. She should have said she couldn't sleep bc she missed Charlie. So kudos to the writers for keeping a character a living, breathing, realistic fellow who would mourn the love of his life who just died the night before.
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Gotcha. So then...maybe the Christian visitations Jack was getting off-Island WEREN'T the Smokie/Esau Christian still on Island. It could be CHRISTIAN'S ghost-self.
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I consider myself more of a moderate tb'er. I chime in if I feel it. I'm not here to bait. "Troll" seems like a net nerd term.
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would that make Jack 'special' too? Or maybe he could only see Christian for a second because some 'specialness' had rubbed off on him...from The Island itself?
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Since we've never seen Jack see another dead person, its hard to determine whether its A) Christian's ghost, B) Island manifestation or C) Smokie. I think, since Flocke said he wants to go home, it suggests he can't leave the Island. So I'm gonna say Christian off-Island WAS in fact Christian. Now, let's not forget we've seen TWO Christians. The first Christian we've seen was dressed EXACTLY as he was when he was put in the coffin. This same Christian told Vincent to wake up Jack bc he "has work to do". Does that sound like something Smokie would do? The other Christian we've seen is the one who picked up baby Aaron by the fire, the one who told Locke he needed to move the Island. THAT Christian was dressed COMPLETELY differently. Perhaps that notes the switch? Before he had a white shirt and tie on. Now he has a dark button-up. Indicative of being Claimed?
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Wish Jack and Kate would fucking die.
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So I think the Christian in a suit is actually him, the good Christian. Christian wearing a dark button up with a five-o-clock shadow is the bad Christian. We saw good Christian in the Cabin at the start of Season 4. Perhaps that's the moment he was Claimed and became bad.
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Sawyer should be mourning Juliette for most of this season. She is responsible for his character development, and it would be bad writing for him to have interest in Kate anytime soon.Good writing will lead to Sawyer and Juliette getting that cup of coffee at the end of the season.
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Ding ding ding! And we have a winnah!
That makes complete and total sense. And it lends credence to the 'Claimed as native jungle goers' theory. Maybe that's how he got into the cabin...the ash can hold back Smokie's true form, but not the dead marionettes he can control.
Maybe that's why The Others on the mainland away from the Temple traveled in those 'native' disguises...to blend in or get past the Claimed. Maybe that's why Richard was all scruffy in 'Man Behind the Curtain'...did he get Infected and Claimed...and somehow was healed? Is there hope for Sayid and Claire yet?! -
In Miami or wherever she is now in this alternate reality.
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Because right now, their futures are not looking pretty. Which suggests that A) Kate's reason for going to the Island is going to fail, B) Aaron will be raised by another... AGAIN, C) Sayid is gone for good, so why was he supposed to go back?
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BUT... the only time ive seen u here is now. and ur kinda bitching over a good episode....even though it was a Kate episode...sigh. and if u want to not get a "net nerd term" NEVER, even somewhat, seem to agree with lostBOYtexASS...ever...
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wow...though doth protest to much...poor trollbaby...
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Feb 09, 2010 11:07:36 PM CST
dont worry guys lostBOY can only last for like 4 tb's MAX....
by jay2517
then he'll get bored and troll somewhere else...man MARCH cant come soon enough...
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that was some good theorizing with you guys. Fain, jay, Wampa, MrHazard, Dr T, and the rest- good night.
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Good to talk to you sir.
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is good writing And yeah Claire got over Charlie WAAAY too quickly, but I still miss Oldschool Badass Sawyer. The good thing tho is that FlashSideways Sawyer is still around in LA so who knows what he's gonna get himself into...
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everybody in the ALT is the ANTI of themselves. in the plane Jack needed to be told to save someone...hurley being lucky...charlie almost dying...kate not WANTING to help an innocent....
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to cymbalta4thedevil and anyone else I bothered, sorry.I was really bothered by this episode waiting for something to happen. Maybe I'll appreciate in context when re-watching the entire series.I'm taking the green pill now.
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Hey guys, I finally decided to create an account on this site because a) tonight's episode killed a part of me inside, and b) the theories on here have slightly redeemed the crappyness of it all.
Love the whole "3 step process" to figure out if sayid is 'enlightened' or 'claimed'. Reaally got me thinkin.
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its a freaking Kate episode blah! what did u expect?? i always hate Kate episodes but, at least u had Jack getting back to being PROACTIVE Jack and talking to the temple people. the producers did say this season would mirror the 1st. at least we got THAT episode out of the way.
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Feb 09, 2010 11:43:54 PM CST
I could feel the disappointment looming in the first 5 minutes
by dapper swindler
Somehow I could just feel this was going to be bad. I guess it was how everyone was running around, having pointless arguments with Others, accomplishing nothing.
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This episode was only bad in the context that a) we have to wait such a long time for this show and b) we know there are so few episodes left and we hate to see time wasted. If you take out those two factors then it was an enjoyable hour of television.
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we want ALL THE ANSWERS IN EVERY EPISODE LOL....
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I actually didn't expect it. I watched the first 2 eps online so I didn't get a glimpse at what this week would be about. Lesson learned.
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If this is true, then Christian is working for MiB, which would make sense in the context of Christian being in the cabin when Jacob wasn't there, and Christian telling Sun to wait for John Locke (who was really MiB at this point).
He/MiB then also drew Claire away, and 'infected' her. And with the murky water, MiB also 'infected' Sayid. However, I'm really starting to think the Jacob/The Others are the bad guys in the big cosmic struggle. MiB is going to be the person we want to win when it's all said and done.
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"Consider the way Kate-LA looks at Jack at the airport, as if she knows him from somewhere."
Well she would because they ran into each other on the plane, exchanging those ever-longing glances after she got out of the restroom I believe.
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All high ranking members are forced under the water for one minute. They either die or they become full-fledged Others and adopt the dickish not-gonna-answer-any-questions attitude. That's how they are 'never the same.'
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Jacks a cab, pulls a gun on a pregnant girl, dumps her at a bus stop and steals her purse, lies, dumps Jack for Sawyer on a hunch, runs away...bitch.
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How come no one ever asks questions, and when they do accepts an evasive answer.What Jack did: demanded to know what was in the pill, asked the same question over and over, refused to accept an evasive answer and actually got an answer.
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Season six will be the Xombi season.What Hurley did: asked Sayid if he was a Xombi.
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When Kate picked the alias Joan Hart of Heart, was ita. a reference to JOAN Jett and the BlackHEARTS orb. a reference to the fact that the actress who plays Kate's mom was the aunt on Sabrina Teenage Witch, which starred Melissa JOAN HART?I'd prefer a but I think it's probably b.
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I'm a die-hard fan, but with so little time left, they should not be wasting time on crap eps. like tonight's. The Others are STILL either not answering or answering in riddles--if they really want help why not just give some f-ing answers!?! And I just read today in EW the creators say the Kate, Jack, Sawyer love triangle is going to be huge this season, so that sucks. I'm still hoping they find a way to end this well, but this ep. just made me more sure they won't.
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I invite you to read my theory submitted above, part of the subject line is "original island gods". Let me know what you think. Its the first and last time I will submit it, so if you don't catch it in this talkback, it will fade into obscurity until the finale.
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house exploded, she had a concussion, she left with Sawyer and Miles, fell asleep in the jungle with the concussion, died in her sleep, woke up to Christian Shepard, claimed, and infected. That was infected Claire in the cabin with Christian
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There were a few filler episodes then a race to the finish. But this was a whole lotta nothing. At least Jack taking the pill seemed the most genuine thing in the show. After all the BS that's happened I might do the same if I were in his position.
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Has Sayid simply come back to life or is he "possessed" by something... evil? the Others seem to think his resurrection means something bad.Was Claire really dead when she vanished in the woods and abandoned Aaron, or not? Again, the Others say she was taken over by "a blackness".Ethan Rom Goodspeed. Aldo. Arzt. Claire. The Chinese guy has a name.Lennon. How cool is that. A guy with Lennon glasses named Lennon.Kate tried to prey on Sawyer one day after his true love died; he declares that he's always be alone and throws the wedding ring into the sea - and she has the f***ing gall to feel sorry for herself.If Rousseau didn't set those traps, who did?Yes, I'd rather see more motion on the Jacob/Nemesis front, more NonLocke, more Ben Linus... or anything happening with the Charles Widmore subplot. But hey, an episode that conforms what a bitch Kate is, which is kinda what I've been saying all along.And even the writers realize how silly it is to ask Hurley to just wander off so Jack can have a private conversation which is why that "Food Court" line was so hilarious.Didn't you ever have an eclair? Sometimes the filler is the best part.
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Yeah, it's a booby trap, but don;t worry, it must be years old, so I'm sure it's perfectly safe. Don't worry about the fact that you're standing directly in the path of the trap, I'm sure you'll be okay, no need to move or anything. Relax.
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And not having it spoiled by reading previews of the episode. However, when I saw he name on the title card his return was confirmed.
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not to answer questions. At least regarding what the pill does. I can see why they would not be forward with that info to Jack.
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"The Others are STILL either not answering or answering in riddles" sayeth Lord Grimplemort.Poison. the pill was poison. that's a kind of medicine that kills you. It's not a riddle, it's a word with a definition in the dictionary.Riddle me this, Batman, I just poisoned you, now you must figure out what poison is! Ha ha ha!They wrote a scene in which someone asks a direct question, refuses to accept an evasion, and gets an answer, and you're still parroting that crap about "no one asks questions, no one gets answers? Try watching the show.
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get her own episode so late in the game. there's so many better things going on and kate seems to be one of the most hated characters on the show. People have been talking about killing her off since season 2. At least Juliet had an attitude. Not to mention all those wasted flashes revealed nothing new about her character. the only good part about them was ethan's life as a city doctor and not a murderer; so far the island seems to have corrupted people more than help them. Someone mentioned jack submerging the island later this season. that makes sense considering how the island turns everyone into a power hungry dick. And if Widmore has nothing to do with this season after getting two whole seasons of heavy build up I'm going to mail darlton a letter bomb.
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smoked before watchin and i am disappointed in the ep... never liked juliet and dont like that sawyer actually cared for her... and that evasiveness and lyin regarding the qustions pissed me off... at least ben wouldve done it cooler
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I had this 'weird' idea... what if Jacob is the 'bad guy' and Smokie(y) is the 'good guy', since all smoke-man wants to do is go home?I was just thinking that what if this is a difference not in morals par-say, but of perspectives.... maybe, Smokie isn't trying to win the "games", but end it.
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and knows how to set up crazy intricate traps??? Yeah, not buying it. Hell, I don't even think Claire could have survived this long on her own, not to mention her turning into the worlds greatest survivalist. I call bullsh*t.
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Cause I'm not so sure about that... Things are different but not necessarily opposite... Sawyer seemed to be the same nickname-giving, bullshit artist, con-man he's always been (before Juliet ruined him)...
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Claire isn't suddenly a gun toting sniper or a dangerous booby-trap setter - whatever "the darkness" that possessed her is.
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Wouldnt that be the ultimate twist?
If for about a season between 5-6 you then discover that "Smokey" is the GOOD guy...It's definitely something that Lost loves to do...all Season 6 you'll be thinking "damn I hate Smokey he is bad" and then BOOM you discover that he ultimately is taking out the "bad" people and they show you WHY they were bad..
I can see a lot of people saying "damn that was a cool twist"
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Jacob/Others (his cult) will be the enemy. They're above our morality, above our concept of right and wrong. That's why we haven't been able to see what's really going on. Not sure where MiB/Jacob are from.. hopefully not aliens, maybe the future.
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"Why do a Kate episode?" Well, a few years ago, back when Lost was a hit TV show, it used to get a lot of magazine covers on old fashioned paper print media publications. And the editors of those magazines tended to try to promote the concept that Jack, Kat and Sawyer were the shows main characters. I'm not saying I agree. I'm much more interested in John Locke, Benjamin Linus, Hugo Reyes, Richard Alpert, Nemesis etc. And I'm sure there are people who like Desmond, Penny and Widmore, or want more about Michael and Wa-a-alt. Or Zombie Nikki and Paolo, or Zombie Keamy.Why do a kate episode now, when every hour counts? Well, because she's suposedly one of the shows lead characters, and it will be too late to do a Kate-centric episode of they wait another four months. I'm just glad they did it now and got it out of the way.And besides, after Claire being gone for an entire year we got her in both the 2004 dimension LA X and the 2007 on-island timelines. Claire's back after a year and that's filler? Really?
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I hate mysteries...
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And you may find yourself living in a shotgun shack.
And you may find yourself in another part of the world.
And you may find yourself behind the wheel of a large automobile.
And you may find yourself in a beautiful house, with a beautiful wife.
And you may ask yourself ..Well...How did I get here?
Letting the days go by, let the water hold me down.
Letting the days go by, water flowing underground.
Into the blue again, after the money's gone.
Once in a lifetime, water flowing underground.
And you may ask yourself. How do I work this?
And you may ask yourself. Where is that large automobile?
And you may tell yourself. This is not my beautiful house!
And you may tell yourself. This is not my beautiful wife!
Letting the days go by, let the water hold me down.
Letting the days go by, water flowing underground.
Into the blue again, after the money's gone.
Once in a lifetime, water flowing underground.
Same as it ever was... Same as it ever was... Same as it ever was... Same as it ever was... Same as it ever was... Same as it ever was... Same as it ever was... Same as it ever was...(8)
Water dissolving...and water removing. There is water at the bottom of the ocean
Under the water...carry the water. Remove the water at the bottom of the ocean!
Letting the days go by, let the water hold me down.
Letting the days go by, water flowing underground.
Into the blue again, in the silent water.
Under the rocks and stones, there is water underground.
Letting the days go by, let the water hold me down.
Letting the days go by, water flowing underground.
Into the blue again, after the money's gone.
Once in a lifetime, water flowing underground.
And you may ask yourself. What is that beautiful house?
And you may ask yourself. Where does that highway go?
And you may ask yourself. Am I right?...Am I wrong?
And you may tell yourself. MY GOD!...WHAT HAVE I DONE?
Letting the days go by, let the water hold me down.
Letting the days go by, water flowing underground.
Into the blue again, in the silent water.
Under the rocks and stones, there is water underground.
Letting the days go by, let the water hold me down.
Letting the days go by, water flowing underground.
Into the blue again, after the money's gone.
Once in a lifetime water, flowing underground.
Same as it ever was... Same as it ever was... Same as it ever was...
Time isn't holding us, time isn't after us.
Same as it ever was... Same as it ever was... Same as it ever was... Same as it ever was... Same as it ever was...
*Poor Kate. and Sayid.. and Jack... and.... well, ya know. -
on the "What Kate Does" episode page.
Melissa Joan Hart: Kate used the name Joan Hart at the hospital; her mother was played by Beth Broderick, Melissa Joan Hart's co-star on Sabrina, the Teenage Witch -
That guy looked familiar, was he the guy who helped Kate rob the bank for her toy airplane or from one of her other flashbacks?
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that came into claires hospital room the same one who questioned Locke about the missing son of the lady that his Father was conning in the episode that showed Locke getting thrown out the window?
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Yes, of course, Kate saw Jack in LA X 1 & recognized him from that, but in both episodes there seemed to be something more in the way they looked at each other, a deeper recognition than "Hey, I just saw that guy". Or so it seemed to me. Drizzle drazzle, drizzle drum, time for this one to go home...to bed.(hey, a time travel reference!) Later, dudes & dudettes. P.S. to Vikki Marsdale: You made some thoughtful comments, glad to see someone else who liked the episode. Don't remember seeing you here before, so of course you've probably been posting since the first ep; but if not, then welcome aboard.
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I don't think anyone has mentioned this! Wouldn't it make sense? And now Sayid is in danger of someone else "claiming" his body?!?!
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cuddy-centric house was better than this episode. and heroes was really good.
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Feb 10, 2010 2:41:17 AM CST
How did I know that people would be bitching about this episode?
by bob loblaw law blog
Oh, that's right... it's an AICN talkback. There are always people bitching about how this [movie/episode/show/article/rumor] was the "Worst. One. Ever."Meh. "What Kate Does" wasn't an amazing episode... but it gave us some new clues about what's happening in 2004x and 2007. If you want answers all the time, every episode, go watch a different show; LOST isn't the one for you.Cannot wait until next week.
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Dunno if mentioned already, but could it just be that Sayid has been claimed by Jacob while temple others are, unknown to themselves, pawns of MIB? Just thinking out loud.
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What the?
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Heading to bed, too. Goodnight, everyone. Final comment on this episode is that, even after watching it again which I have now done, it is probably my least favorite episode of the entire series. No episode since the beginning has disappointed me this much, and thankfully it seems a vast majority of people agree.
The thing is, I, like all lost fans, can suspend our disbelief for certain things, hell, for almost everything. But, when something on the show that is set in the 'real world' is so beyond the realm of possibility and insults the viewer, that is not acceptable for a show of this caliber.
Again: Kate, at a MAJOR international airport that is filled with law enforcement and security, manages to first get the uppet hand on a trained law enforcement professional, but even that I can go with. What I CANNOT accept, and what many have issues with, is that she then manages to grab another felony in the form of grand theft auto as well as kidnapping. Now, note this is done at LAX, as stated, a major international airport. Even *IF* we can accept that, there is no way, no way at all, she would get off the property. But, she does! She gets off and then kicks out the cab driver and Claire. Appears not a single police officer or sheriff's deputy manages to track Claire down, nor does she attempt to get ANY help. Now, of course, every officer in the area would be looking for that cab, it would be on the news, radio, etc. But Kate, our wannabe tough girl who fakes it all, manages to joyride for what appears to be hours around L.A. She does not switch cars, just kinda hangs out, hell, probably went shopping.
She then finds Claire who, of course, is just waiting for a bus after being kidnapped. No one has come to assist her. She is not being questioned by police - nothing.
And from there it just got worse. Oh, two police officers finally show up at the hospital only to appear to search the entire room minus the one spot Kate is at. Just great.
Nevertheless, even this turd had a few good things: loved seeing Ethan, and Sawyer still upset over Juliet *IS* a great thing. Especially that he got to throw Kate to the curb. Should have kept the ring and tossed her in.
And then, though, we come to the bad stuff. Just last week I, like most of you, completely disagreed with the posters saying that the characters are not asking enough questions and all that. Sure, perhaps they should have asked more stuff here and there, but, oddly, in this episode it just hit the wall. Jack did ask some stuff and Kung-Fu Master just played it off. It was almost like we, the fans, were asking these questions only for the writesr to laugh at us and shrug it off. As I said, they could karate chop me a few times, but I would continue to ask questions over and over again, and I don't mean ask what a baseball is (sure had time to answer that one).
Anyway, Lost continues to be, and probably will end up being, my favorite television show of all time; however, that does not negate the fact that this episode was horrible and not up to the regular Lost standards.
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Feb 10, 2010 2:54:38 AM CST
I have a theory about the "Alternate Realities".
by keepfuckingthatchicken
What if Desmond, Charlie, Hurley, Sawyer, Jack, Kate etc. being in Los Angeles WASN'T an alternate reality and WASN'T happening as the same time as the castaways being on the island. WHAT IF that the castaways being back in LA is technically Season 7? Hear me out. Season 4 was a Flash Forward season. One part was on the island, but future events took place off of the island. What if the same was taking place in season 6? I believe they are doing the Flash Forward method again. There was only ONE result from the explosion and that is them being still on the island. I think by the end of season 6, we will see exactly how they got to the point where Jack is looking out of the plane, Kate back on handcuffs, Hurley being lucky, etc etc. What season 6 is the finale of the island as well as "season 7"/the epilogue of them being home FINALLY with no recollection of the events from the island. It would explain why they look weird and funny at each other when they see each other again in LA. Whatever event makes them jump on the plane does a MIB memory wipe of the island to everyone who makes it back on the plane without it crashing. At the end of season 6, I think the event will cause the island to be underwater hidden for good and we will see how the castaways got back on the plane without anything bad happening to them (At least to Rose, Bernard, Charlie, Desmond, Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Boone, Locke, Hurley, Jin, Sun and Claire). It is like getting the best of both worlds for a finale.
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Locke may fight Locke(un)...We might get an ending that negates all of LOSTI might get the ending that has Santa giving me my best wish.......
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*Maniaq - I was gonna ..and will need you to check my maths and all ..but. and. now. As I am found of typin. I am too drunk to taste this chicken (damn you Jay2517) ..but speaking of flashing sideways, over in the 'other' node, I had a thought that went off into the rhetorical and poetical. Had an 'other' that went off into the mathematical relevance of this show we find found. The 'GO' board and certain strategems..
Are you familiar with the Big O Notion? ..I'll be back to that tomorrow but also consider that the end game might be some such.. "an equilibrium where prevalence is a non-singular event where nobody loses" ..know where that comes from yeah? Anyway, that later.
*Same for you Miyamoto... Did you feature Dogen's words in speaking of Sayid and Dark Claire ..'claimed' or 'captured' was not Japanese? The way he said it with out inflective, I thought it was Portuguese.. then Gallego ..Ladino ..something Sephardic something ancient. hindi?
...I think it is an amalgam. something not far past Klingon, Elven, or Navi.. I have an idea what the word means "Arm of Paradise apart" ..but no surety...it's witch talk idn't
Still when Lennon said 'claimed' I featured more the japanese word for 'captured' cause I heard.. at first, 'torae ta' so.. like 我々はその泥棒を捕らえた
wareware wa sono doroboo a torae ta.. Which made me think. Seki!関! GO ..and now we are back to Maniaq and Maths and ..
I mentioned somewhere. I am now too drunk to taste this chicken. god-dammit, Jay2517! I must now go and train my Komodo Dragons to perform hamlet..
This show.. These talk backs (well, at least me) are. really gettin like The Illuminatus! Trilogy. -
There is no character development because WE ALREADY KNOW the personalities from the season 1 flashbacks. Nothing is being added to the show. What a colossal waste of time....
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Bring back Nikki and Paulo.
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Like a few people here have said - I also have a hard time believing that we are seeing an "alternate reality" of everyone landing safe and sound at LAX. I do believe we are still seeing two different timelines. I think the twist is that the timeline that has everyone still on the island actually takes place before 2004. So, that means that there is a second island underwater, and there is an "alternate" version of everyone safe at home. I have a feeling that by the end, something will happen (maybe they all die?) that causes a sort of ripple effect on all the "alternates'" memories - which would explain why everything seems "familiar" to everyone. Confusing, I know.
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at the moment the flash-sideways thing is just dull. There seems no point to it at the moment, no character development, no reason other than to suggest that destiny plays a part in these characters lives and no matter what, they were destined to be involved in each others lives. At the moment, not liking this season off the island at all, may start skipping these bits if they carry on being this dull.
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if, upon learning that the title of episode 6.3 is "What Kate Does," your first thought is not "i don't care," then you pretty much just suck at Lost.having said that, i must also agree that there were a SHIT TON of revelations in this episode, and i'm psyched as fuck about every one of them.
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One thing that caught my eye in your post is mention of two islands. Read through most talkbacks and somehow all talk about Island. Aren't there supposed to be two islands? One for Jacob one for MIB?
About sideways, maybe am reading too much into nothing, but I find it interesting that we're yet to see 2007 folks [Sun, Frank] catchup with 1977 folks [Sayid et al]. All seem to be just assuming that all are in 2007. I like the idea of all being pre 2004. -
Agreed, Widmore does seem rather Drake-ish. But it's really too bad there's not as much fuckin!
I sometimes feel people aren't appreciating how the slower, more character-centered episodes are, and have always been, methodically laying the necessary groundwork for the eventual payoffs. This seems to deepen and enrich the emotional experience for the viewer and, in a way, serve to illustrate some of LOST's major themes and motifs. In my opinion of course. It's like a magic trick folks. Timing is crucial. Tension/Release. Be patient.
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I first heard it as Dogon, and as you could imagine, I started thinkin some aggressively wacky thoughts. All that Dogon/Sirius business.
Was also thinking about how it's so truly amazing that Darlton have been able to keep millions of people guessing for so fuckin long maaan. Either it's just brilliant writing or they've tapped into the audiences natural psychological projection booths and allowed them to do the heavy lifting themselves. Or it's kinda both..or it's neither. How does that fourfold logic go again? It is X..etc. -
are the dumbest and most unimaginative fucking things I've ever heard.
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1) Cause I was to drunk to realize I was typin in the wrong Talk back
2) Because... No. nope. Sorry ..don't really have anything there for ya.. Sorry.
Anyway, answered as asked in 5.16/17.
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1) Why was Young James Ford wearing massively over sized shoes at his parents funeral?
2) What is the original and departed John Locke holding in his right hand when Ilanna and Bram rolled him out of the box onto the beach?
3) What was Dogen wearing around his neck?
3a) Why did Dogen grasp it so when Lennon came runnin in to tell him Sayid was alive?
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japander.com. the ones with the govenator and nic cage are the best.
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Give me a link? You read me right.
Give me a link to your all encompassing.. No. That's too much to ask for an intellect of your..well ..how aboot anything (as conforming and playin down to your nature) anything petty, petite, and small.. a lil anything bout anything? Tell us true aboot the thing.
No? Nope. Didn't think so.. you got nothing. Nothing.
But, wow, and how ..cool for you to biddy bop in and drop half a line in the pond...
Ya can go back to school on the morrow and boast big to your.. what? one? maybe three? mates that you done told all us.
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The stewardess is at the temple, and the Others claimedin 6.3 that Roussou (sp?) has been dead for three years.
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No money to load the Walther P38 with dummy shells?
When Kate checked the mag.. it was empty. Xiphos? Come in Xiphos? Can I get a weapon confirm?
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You no why certain countries play baseball, kids?
Baseball. Is played in every and mostly only countries that the United States Marine Corp has had time to build a ball field in. Oorah!
Semper fly, beeetches. 8 days to Pitchers and Catchers.
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I'm not much of a gamer, being a fossil and all, but for some reason last night I was reminded of an old puzzle video game Return to Zork. Could we be watching a video game played out in real life?
Think about it. Strong start (plane crash) to get you hooked. Mysterious things start to happen and you make choices. If you make the incorrect choice something bad happens. After you make a correct choice a new hurdle appears. At the end of S5 they blow up a bomb which now gives you 2 possible paths, new hurdles, and parrallells how you started the game with suttle differences.
Am I the only one that thinks this sounds like a video game plot?
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As a verteran of previous season's watchbacks (where we watch all seasons looking for things we might have missed that we might now see after the last episodes aired0, trust me about 1 thing.
One offs like people are calling this episode are usually hiding something right in front of our faces.
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...that a wanted Federal fugitive can drive around in broad daylight IN THE SAME TAXI SHE STOLE and even PARK IT IN PLAIN VIEW in front of a hospital and even still RETURN TO THE SCENE OF HER ESCAPE to give a ride to SOMEONE SHE PREVIOUSLY HELD AT GUNPOINT (!) still not be immediately apprehended. "Who brought you here?" "Just the cab driver" "Okay, everything looks legit here, let's go get some donuts." Sheeesh! Did those two dimwits, Orci and Kurtzman write this episode?
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Funny you should say that. I’ve always had the strong suspicion that the show was influenced by the PC god simulator hit Black & White. For anyone who’s played the game (and watches lost) there are many similarities regarding moral choices and monsters.
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I tried watching this show the 1st season and gave up after all the unanswered questions. I saw the series review show a couple weeks ago and have been watching since. I admit I am not a patient person and should have given it more time since I generally enjoy these episodes.....EXCEPT: The ambiguous answers the others give all the time. Come on, its just not realistic. "It don't have time to explain" really...your playing with a baseball, you have lots of time. If this infection was such a big concern, they would share all information its just dumb.
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Seriously, that was a mess. It is obvious that the script is a floundering, bloated pile of shit. That was all over the map.
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Kitsis and Horowitz are god awful writers responsible for a host of the crappest episodes of Lost. Why they're executive producers is THE biggest mystery. So no surprise here. I think the showrunners gave them enough ideas and revelations to do better than this though. The trouble is LAX had an awful lot happen, quickly, on multiple fronts. It was paced at a speed we've rarely seen on Lost. This being the final season, they should have maintained that for a few weeks. The breather should have come in a small character episode that drops a lot of mythology explanations. Instead in week two already it's moving chess pieces around the jungle. A big mistake was having nothing from the beach side of things. Just a few mysterious snippets would be fine. My main gripe is somebody obviously got fixated on the idea the episode simply had to end with Claire appearing with the gun. This should have happened when Kate escaped from the others. Instead of the trap, somebody shoots the Others, Kate escapes to find Sawyer, scared and wondering what just happened, and Claire captures Jin. Of course, the stupid missed opportunity here is if Kate is kidnapping Claire in one timeline, why not have Claire kidnap Kate in the other. Contrast the two worlds in this reversal, and let the character work divulge plot information. But no. I appreciate we have to see Claire go to the adoptive parents. Maybe I'm glad they've got that out of the way quickly if it's not going to be important. Maybe they should have just let Aaron be born already. But I was hoping at the house they went to the couple waiting would be Desmond and Penny. Because otherwise its just housekeeping or filler to tick off backstory they need to deal with and a bit of a snooze. And again, this is the final season, so do we really need to spend time on Kate going back and forth in a taxi cab getting rid of her handcuffs etc. Do it faster and show us a couple of set up scenes for whatever Locke is doing in Los Angeles next week. It's the final season. Keep everything ticking on all fronts. Now the stuff with Sayid is fine. Clearly that's building nicely to some important purpose. But all the more reason to have it intercut with where ever Locke and Richard are heading in the jungle. At this point who the fuck cares about a self contained episode. And I could give a fuck about Ethan and whatshisface reappearing. Unless it's got an immediate pay off, what's the point. With Sawyer mourning Juliet, of course he has to do that. But it needs to be built into some on screen action, and this wasn't. It's just moving people from camp to camp setting up stories to come. Well do those stories on the move instead of this touchy feely weak transition bullshit. Those houses are where Christian appeared to Frank and Sun last year - are we still fucking waiting for any explanation on that, still, it must be coming now Claire is back! - and where Locke and Ben talked, so obviously next week Locke is going to chatting to Sawyer there too. Why not start in on that already, intercut with the revelations about Sayid being "claimed" so that as we figure that out there's also some tension worrying about Sawyer. And have Kate getting some answers from Claire, while Jin witnesses Locke and Sawyer, having gone looking for Sun. Then you'd have an episode that's effectively setting everything up, but there's dramatic tension and it actually accomplishes some storytelling in the process. Because Kitsis and Horowitz are simply too horrible at writing to even attempt to do a slow burner that fucks about with symmetries or themes or character bonding. Damon and Carlton should have just told them to go bang bang bang on plot points to carry through the momentum from last week.
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After five fucking years, I really don't care - AT ALL. The writers are like a bunch of douche-bag psych majors. Full of shit. Last night's episode was simply BAD writing. I watched it with hardcore fans (who have watched the entire series three times), and even they were not thrilled.
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I appreciate they don't want to burn through their plots too quickly. But having one set of characters one week, and another set of characters next week, well it's a mistake. Cut between both and you get these rhyming themes they seem to want from the juxtoposition of the sideways flashes from the island story instead, and with a sense of mystery, freeing you to actually get stuff done in Los Angeles. It would still take this week and next week to do the same amount, you just do it simultaneously instead of back to back. It's the final season! It would involve less happening on any single front in a given week, but fans would be satisfied that everything is being kept moving in a timely manner. Whereas if you say this week Kate runs around in the jungle and steals a taxi, you've committed to spending a whole episode structured around that, when really it's just totally arbitrary and not very interesting to anyone. it invites you to write filler if you can't quite justify 42 minutes with what's strictly necessary. You can still have scenes with Kate finding Sawyer in the jungle and kidnapping Claire in a taxi, cool, but you don't build a whole fucking episode around it, when Not-Locke and Not-Sayid are clearly far more interesting. This is why the Claire cliffhanger is simply horrible. Just do it in the first third of the episode already. The idea that this was Kate-centric is already flimsy at best, so instead of focussing on the structure of a story of the week, focus on the serial aspect of the final season. Nothing wrong at all with ideas contained in the episode, just very tiresome how they went about it.
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from the Egyptian book of the dead: Another demon gatekeeper was the upright snake, with human arms and legs, again shown here with a pair of sharp knives. This individual was the last guardian who stood at the doorway of the judgement chamber.
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The Ka or double was a less solid duplicate of the body. Without a physical body the soul had no place to dwell and became restless forever
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The Ba was able to leave the tomb and revisit the dead person's haunts in the mortal world.
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The Akh was the immortal soul which emerged when the Ka and the Ba united after the deceased person passed judgement in the underworld. All those who pass the tests of the underworld become worthy to enter The Blessed Land, that part of the underworld that is like the land of the living, but without sorrow or pain.
smokie=snake
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Feb 10, 2010 8:10:49 AM CST
@rosasaks ..*chuckle* .ok. What's the link to your IMDB page?
by macfaux
Cause. And don't get me wrong, critique is well expected and appreciated. But. You wandered off into the land of shoulda, woulda, coulda, capital of 'I can do better', and then started Jibber Jaberin about how you have more skills ..so What's your CV? your resume? your IMDB page? Cause. If as you say.. "Kitsis and Horowitz are god awful writers responsible for a host of the crappest episodes of Lost."
Well, I would just like an honest comparison of your... ability to hit a curve ball come fast down the pipe to theirs. What A-wanna be? Never played in the show? ok. Sure. Every kid in single A thinks they can do better than the guys in the game. they have ta. ya know? Sadly, not 1 in 1000 actually can. Are you that 1, rosasaks?
Maybe start with learnin how to make paragraphs.. *snort*
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I wasn't even going to comment on this episode because I knew everyone in here would be such a fucking douche about it...but seriously...this happens EVERY SINGLE SEASON. The premiere is crazy awesome, followed by a slow burn episode that is simply there to GET THE PIECES IN PLACE. LOST is a game of chess, and every so often the writers have to take an episode and position people and events. No, it wasn't a great episode. No, I won't watch it again. Yes, the others continued insistence on retardedly vague answers and Jacks inability to just give Sayid the pill is fucking stupid...but its not jumping the shark. At the very least, Jack was being consistent in character. It wasn't a good episode, fine. But jumping the shark? Get a fucking grip. Every season since S2 has had this second episode slump. Go look. It's really no big deal.
Oh, and anyone who STILL thinks that the "non plane-crash" timeline takes place after the Island events, and isnt a parallel timeline at all...is a moron. Why would everyone be pretending they don't know eachother? How could Claire still be pregannt for the firs time (with Aaron) 3-4 years after Ocean 815 crashes? That makes no sense, there is no absolutely no indication of your inane theory. On the other hand, there is nothing but indications that this is a parallel timeline where things are different. I don't even know how some of you manage to watch this show. You aren't even worthy. -
Feb 10, 2010 8:21:52 AM CST
@MisterManReturns .."After five fucking years, I really don't ca
by macfaux
Except. ya know. Enough to waste your precious time to drop in and tell everyone some such.
"The writers are like a bunch of douche-bag psych majors." ..*HeHe* that would be funny if.. ya know, you had graduated from university.. with a BS in Psychology? an As in Psychology? A passing grade in a Psychology correspondence course? No? Nothin? ok.
There is always work at the Post Office ya know... Robert Townsend said so.
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I watch all the shows and love it. But last night, after hearing about the "infection" and being "claimed", I was indifferent. I wasn't wondering who claimed him or how. I just didn't care. I went along with the Non-Locke last season, but now with Sayid possibly possessed, you have to wonder about everyone else who's died. It's a convenient way to switch characters around and have them do stuff they wouldn't normally do, for the sake of shock value.
The Others assigned to following Kate and Jin: stupid. I thought the Others were enlightened people. The white guy is just an idiot, and the whole "Do you remember me?" to Kate was cringe-worthy. Why bring him back for that little snippet just to kill him off a little bit later?
I think Kate was crying at the dock not only for herself but also because she felt bad for Sawyer losing Juliet.
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Dirty, filthy, crazy, gun-toting Claire...hmmmExpectations are never high for a Kate (or Jack) episode, and nothing about last night really countered that notion. But they make the Locke, Richard and Ben episodes seem even better.And those English lessons that Jin took in the offseason really paid off...he's showing off his new skills more than he ever has.
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Some cool stuff here: http://goo.gl/y3Ki
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Seriously. No Bullshit. That was some all right now.
Thumbs up. I like Kate too.
As for your displeasure with me and our 'girls in the food court' insult-y-ness back and forth.. To know me..hmmm, in fanboy sci--fi terms ..Feature Malcolm Reynolds..but less handsome. "Don't Push me , I won't push you ..dŏng le mă? nĭ chóu liăn yŏu méi yŏu.."
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But quit spazzin' out like it's never happened before people. Lost has had plenty of weak episodes. They've introduced new questions without giving answers before. It's been more than five years and over 100 episodes. The show always gets back on track and there's no reason to think that won't happen this time.
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I think the people who are arguing over the timelines are saying they think the incident at the end of last season isn't what caused the rupture. They think what's happening on the island this year will lead to the reset. Maybe they just don't like the idea of simultaneous alt-universes. I don't know. I think they're wrong, but that's what they're saying. So the criticism why would Claire be pregnant is wide of the mark. Just saying.
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I suppose that you are no longer my MacFoe.
I'm much sicker of these mindless cretins than you. Honestly, its like they don't even have the faintest grasp of what is going on in the show. I know its not east to be remember and be able to account for all the things that have happened in the last 5 seasons...but that is what is required. Can't handle it? Watch the show, get what you can out of it, but don't come on here acting like you know whats happening and have some great theory. Like these people talking about video games. Oh wow, there are video games that have dealt with the nature of good and evil and the manipulation of characters and events....JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER ARTISTIC MEDIUM EVER CREATED. Jesus Christ. Yea...you played Black & White..you've totally got LOST all figured out. Morons. -
that other node kills my browser so I don't go there anymore. As long as you read, acknowledged, and thought about my theory, we're good sir.
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This is the last season and the writers are going to do what they want to do. If you don't like it, go watch something else. Just because virgin nerds hate to see anything character driven or emotion stuff doesn't mean the general audience doesn't like it. While I would like to drop Kate from a 10 story building, there are a lot of people who love that stuff. Even though I think Juliet is 10x the woman that Kate is, a lot of the women at my office love the Sawyer/Kate stuff. At any rate, just enjoy the ride, you'll get your overrated Ben stuff and great Locke stuff before the season's over. JFC, only internet gay nerds would want to see 50+ year old pasty males than hot pieces of ass like Claire and Kate.
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How sweet would it have been.. if right before Mac got shot. more than once. sweet Dee, Dennis, Charlie and Frank came a runnin out the jungle and started beratin and belittlin Mac aboot his tactics.
And then Dark Claire shot all of them.. except Dennis. Who she ran up on and stabbed in the thigh with one of Non-John Locke's knifes... and then shot him. point blank, while he was hoppin all about on one leg, in the head.
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The BlackRock ended up in the middle of the island because the island raised up beneath it... having been shown beneath the water, so it goes up and down... though we saw huts and cabins didn't we... so it went down after... hmmm... well... maybe it came up just as the BlackRock was there in the beginning, and the natives are obviously pirates, with Richard being the first to sell his soul to the island - giving him eternal youth... or something... anyone?
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I always thought, from the first time we saw the Island move at the end of S4, that it must have "moved" right underneath the black rock at some point, which is why it crashed into the middle of the island...however...they fucked this theory up for me when they showed jacob and MiB on the beach in S5 finale where they are watching the black rock sail towards the island. They are watching it from the beach sailing in...so the island couldnt have moved underneath it. And now there is your theory about the island beind underwater, and coming up underneath it...which could work and I enjoy as an idea...but again...how does it explain the watching it sail to the island? It was less than a mile off shore, they are watcing it come in...am I supposed to believe within the hour or so it would take them to hit land the island suck and then came up again under them? Or that someone pushed the wheel right in that time period it moved...about a half a mile to the right to get under the boat? I'm sad they messed up the most obvious and interesting explanation of the black rock by showing it so close off shore. Now I fear they will never explain just how in the fuck it got so far inland. Just my thoughts tho
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This should settle any confusion for once and for all. Apparently, during last nights episode, while Claire is in the hospital, towards the end of the ep, on the picture (sonogram) of the baby that Kate is looking at it says very clearly the date is October 22, 2004 (it actually says D. 10-22-04)...which is still weird because it puts the flight they were on one month later than the original flight...but it confirms its 2004..an alternate/parallel timeline, not after the island, post-2007 bullshit. Something is definitely off with the date being a month late...but 2004 people. 2004. It's either intentional that it says October instead of September and the flight was one month different...or some intern hit the date button one too many times and made a minor error (doubtful) Either way, it confirms 2004, which confirms parallel reality. Deal with it.
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Dang! I forgot about that. That WAS the BlackRock right? Ugh! So smokey just dragged it up? ;-)
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What ep was he in originally? I am at work and IMDB is blocked.
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has power over people who died (like Locke and Christian and possibly Sayid) and people who gave birth (Rousseau and Claire). Maybe Jacob has power over people who are born on the island ? To date, Aaron is the only baby born on the island. Maybe he is the vessel for Jacob's "rebirth" (which would jive with the psychic's warning to Claire that Aaron needs to be with her or the world was doomed, because the baby would need to be on the island for Jacob to be reborn). Who the fuck knows. P.S. Claire is fucking hot.
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... By slaves. So that no one could ever find it/The Island by seeing it docked offshore.
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I think you're confused about the nuance of what they're arguing. They're saying that events in 2007 will wipe out the original timeline, replacing it with the new version of 2004. Nobody (I hope) thinks the plane landed at LAX in 2007. They want another bait and switch like the season three finale. LAX isn't the fall out of the incident, but of whatever happens on the island this year in 2007. I agree with you that the parallel reality is much more likely.
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Fish Tank - I can't imagine we were meant to think it could be any ship other than the black rock. we haven't seen any other massive black pirate ships on the island have we? I think we have to assume it was The Black Rock off shore.
Run Runner - Mac/Aldo was in the S3 episode "Not In Portland" I think it was a Juliet episode. We learned about the pregnancy problem on the island, and Kate and Sawyer escaped their Polar Bear Cages, and Kate gun-butted Aldo in face to try and rescue Karl from Room 23. -
And LostPedia knows its shit.
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Prop guys do make mistakes from time to time. They could have sent it off to get made and the people there slipped up with the wrong date and it was too late to get fixed or no one noticed. Or it was all intentional. Either is possible.
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you *know* that's where this is gonna end up
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I'm just a little wabbit, but I'm surprised they didn't save the bit with the pill for the Jack-centric episode. Remember, episode five of season one was titled White Rabbit. At some point, Jack will need to decide whether to go down the rabbit hole and look for his father, Christian. If he finds him, maybe they can share a bottle of whiskey, and shoot the breeze. Do you happen to know what the penalty is for shooting a fricaseeing rabbit without a fricaseeing rabbit license, MacFaux? For shame, doc. Hunting rabbits with an elephant gun. Why don't you shoot yourself an elephant? As you know, everybody who tells you how to act has whiskey on their breath. You do things and do things and nobody really has a clue. But if you have the guts to be yourself, other people'll pay your price. Red ones, blue ones, green ones, millions of em. The hell with the rabbits! http://tinyurl.com/ya97l63
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Brilliant actor and love all of his scenes, hopefully he sticks around for a while.
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...on the other hand, I appreciate having a moment or two for Sawyer to grieve and for suspense to be built over what Sayid's condition really is. Let's face it--it was the Kate stuff that just plain sucked, which is nothing new. I give it 2 out of 4 Dharma Symbols. Not a total disaster, but nothing I'll run back and watch again.
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Every season has a crappy Kate episode. Weeks ago when I read the titles of the first few episodes, I was already predicting a stinker. Her story is so uninteresting. It's there solely to explain why there was a gun on the plane in the first episode of season 1. But since she's a main character, they have to give at least one episode a season to her. One bad episode isn't jumping the shark. Seriously, it's only the second episode of the season. Everything doesn't need to be explained in the first three episodes.*********I also agree about the Black Rock. That's how I would have explained it too, I would have had the island appear underneath it.
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A nice Black Rock solution would be to have it ship wreck and sink to the bottom of the ocean. THEN the island rises. Not sure it's possible though based on what's gone before.
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Very well done, Holloway has been brilliant for the last two seasons and there was a few great moments with him this ep.
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Mind you, we have seen two versions of Oceanic 815, and the conversation between Jacob and MIB was suggestive of re-iterative time loops, with variations of a theme playing out with one ending. So presumably there's some wiggle room. Jacob and MIB might well have seen the Black Rock before, when they talked on the beach. We don't yet know where to locate that conversation in the mythology. The Black Rock might have played a part in their game before, and afterwards. Could it be the scene on the beach by the statue was foreshadowing what was to happen after the incident? So what happens to the ship that time isn't necessarily what we already know, just as LAX isn't either. Just spitting out theories because I think it would be cool to see the Black Rock as a ship wreck. Richard is immortal because he drowned but the island brought him back. Something like that. That fountain has to have some sort of underground birthing source. Maybe he hit the mother lode. This could be a useful device actually. If the fork in the timelines needs resolving, the answer could lie in a really old character having knowledge of something like this happening to a different group of castaways. The Black Rock is the clue that will rescue the Losties? Oh, I dunno.
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need to rewatch with the wife, his nihongo sounded ok to me, but I might have missed a few things
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Seriously, someone start a petition. Mac on Lost is the most significant and interesting development in the history of this shaggy dog show. Now if only we could get the rest of the Always Sunny gang on the island, we'd really have something worth watching!
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first, you are right on the money. especially about the second episode slump. if people don't see that then they shouldn't be watching LOST. and you're right - it is to get the pieces in place.
and i completely agree about the parallel universe. do you think the parallel universe had the island destroyed and sunk when the nuke went off? i feel that the nuke did go off and, possibly, coupled with the pocket of energy and split the timeline. could it explain why ethan is still around, but off island? perhaps he was evacuated before it went off and has since grown up off island. what say you? i'm only asking you since we seem to be on the same page. -
But my favorite part was Kate crying at the end of it all, realizing how much she has fucked up Sawyer. And why did none of you care when Mac was FIRST on?
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what is the infection? any theories out there?
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Feb 10, 2010 10:41:25 AM CST
Ethan seems like confirmation of the timing of the island sinkin
by miyamoto_musashi
it was when jughead went off, ethan evacuated and grew up off island, not joining the others
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Alex: http://tinyurl.com/y88gaew
Kate: http://tinyurl.com/3x5lod
Penelope: http://tinyurl.com/ykkb6p6
Naomi: http://tinyurl.com/yfwxhdb
Claire:http://tinyurl.com/no2ruk
Goth Claire: http://tinyurl.com/ybuxweu
Juliet: http://tinyurl.com/y8dlxxe
Charlotte: http://tinyurl.com/y8pyj5u
Sun: http://tinyurl.com/ybw3r4b
Shannon: http://tinyurl.com/ydauq36
not to mention Julie Bowen (Sarah), Kiele Sanchez (Nikki), Kim Dickens, Reiko Aylesworth, etc. -
He twittered:
"For Those of you complaining of "FILLER", please watch NCIS> I won't hold it against you"
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The mind reels at the thought of a Sunny/Lost crossover. Now that it appears that Mac has met somewhat of a permanent demise, perhaps Sunny can do an episode -- "The gang interprets Lost" without fear of pissing Darlton off. The gang as 815ers. The McPoyles as the Others...
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see above post.
srsly...the second episode of any season is always a slow one. might as well use kate to get it out of the way.
the writers need an episode after the explosive premiere to set up the chess board. i still enjoyed this ep, but it was slow. and understandably so.
also, didn't everyone love the fact that we found out more about claire's fate? and got some intriguing new info about the mysterious "infection?" -
fricaseeing (if even misspelly-ed) in an entirely awesome way. I shall never ever crack wise on your noggin again.
But do know... you are still here. blah blah'n bout this episode you so forcefully declared hate for.
And ain't that the power of LOST, pal. yep. But you did fook up just a tad.. everybody who tells 'me' how to act suffers whiskey on 'my' breath.
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AREN'T in 2007? The Temple Others fired off the Firecracker Warning Signal when Hurley told them Jacob was dead. Then the Show cut to Richard Alpert by the statue seeing the Firecracker Signal go off and realizing Jacob had been killed BEFORE Ben and SmokedOutLocke came out.It's bad enough when people speculate that the Off Island alternate universe scenes AREN'T taking place in 2004, but when people start speculating that the ON Island scenes are still in different timelines you have to wonder if LOST fans have lost all ability to put two and two together without someone onscreen saying "Hey, we're back in 2007!"Didn't the Previews for next week SHOWING Sawyer and SmokedOutLocke meeting again on the Island give you a CLUE that they're now in the same time period?And for the people above who complained that Claire bounced back from Charlie's death too soon? She said "Charlie?" when Sawyer dug her out of the rubble after the Freighter Mercs blew up her house. It was pretty obvious he was still on her mind to anyone PAYING ATTENTION. She was in denial.Suffering in silence. If they had had a scene with her weeping and saying "I miss Chawlie" that would have been stating the obvious.
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The Oceanic 6 still seems significant, or some variation thereof. Knowledge of their particular circumstances may have triggered Jacob's lists, long alluded to, but about to be explained, at the temple. The separation of the characters came about when Ben moved the island. This was a result of whatever power struggle is being played out by the entities in the Cabin. This is also coming back to the fore. I think the Cabin and the Temple were introduced near the end of season three, just before the flash forward reveal, which actually took place after the frozen donkey wheel reveal, in the season four finale. When was the end date fixed for Lost? Some time around the end of season three, before season four? I think we should pay attention to whatever was set in motion around that time. Obviously the start of season six is playing out new scenarios after the climax of season five, but I think some of the last few years will turn out to be high quality filler that exceeded expectations. The mechanics of season six will likely be dependent on factors planted deeper back in the show's chronology. Desmond. The Frozen Donkey Wheel. The Cabin. The Temple etc. One thing I wonder, has there been a definitive on screen explanation of what happened to the island when Ben moved it? I know we quickly got into time flashes, and the O6 needing to go back. But now we've seen alternate realities, is there anything from the time Ben moved the island that needs to be re-addressed, to see if it feeds into what's happening now. I ask because this seems to be the point at which the paths of the Losties diverged, and this seems to be significant to some of the secondary characters with knowledge of the mythology.
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How else do you fit in: Sawyer leaving the temple, Kate followin ghim, Jin needing to bump into Claire, Jack learning about the sickness, the pill, us learning Sayid is sick, and we have no idea what the ALT means or what its leaading to. Sorry, not a filler ep. The plot has to go somewhere, and it went into this ep. Your 'filler" charge doesn't even make sense. You can't have nothing but payoffs for the entire duration of seaosn 6, dumbasses. Did you ever once think that some of they payoffs need setting up? Of course not, because you're so wise and all knowing and can predict the future. Fuck you for pissing off Damon Lindelof and turning your back on a show that has been consistently good for over 5 years now. You're thesa me people that bitched about the first 6 mini-eps of s3, and say it was all a waste of time. Eh.. we needed to meet the Others. We needed Jack to fix Ben. We needed to meet Juliet. We needed Sawyer and Kate to get close to further along certain plot points hat paid off later. We needed Jack to be hurt by Kate and Saywer. We needed Locke to be curious about joining the Others. We needed to see Room 23, we neeed to meet Alex, and Karl, and learn that Alex was Rousseau's daughter. Etc.. etc.. etcc.. Once again, you HAVE to squeeze in those plot threads SOMEWHERE... so.... where else do you put them? Take a fucking writing course, and give this show some slack. FUCK YOU for bitching when LOST fires on 6 cylinders instead of 8 every once in a while. Most shows fire on 3 cynlinders, when they're rated as 4 cylinder shows.
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actually, if you watch the deleted scene from that ep, Claire actually saw Charlie in the flesh, and then saw him again in the house
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The BlackRock ended up in the middle of the island because when Jack&Co will drown the island, it will be the best place to escape from it ;)
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Canton Rainier, nuff said.
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I definitely think the Nuke went off and has something to do with why the Island is suck...but it didn't look "destroyed" to me underwater. It just looked underwater, but everything was just as it had been if im not mistake, so as for if the Nuke sunk the Island...I'm not sure. I guess its possible the nuke made a hole and it sunk like a boat with a hole in it...but that seems weird. Makes it sound like its a spaceship...which I definitely don't think it is. So, as for why the Island is underwater...thats one that I really have no theory on at this point. It was a crazy thing to see..but I have no clue why its like that. Really strange.
As for the infection, I desperately hope it has something to do with the "sickness" from earlier seasons, the medicine desmond and kelvin took, what happened to the french team, etc. That was one of the storylines I never really thought went anywhere and would end up being forgotten by the end, but if it all ties into this infection thing..that would be excellent. Maybe Dharma invented a cure or treatment and that was the shot des and kelvin took to keep them from becoming infected, and they were just under the impression that it was airborne, when really it has something more to do with coming into contact with death and/or Smokie/MiB? So those are my thoughts on that. I hope the infection has something to do with all of that nonsense from S2. Back to Bioshock 2... -
I'm hoping they know the difference between re-incarnation and resurrection. Anyway i think that was just for season 5.
I just think the alt universe thing is a way of showing that these peoples lives are destined to be linked. I'm guessing Sawyers episode will have him going for coffee with Juliet.
My only doubt about this is Desmond. His ability to time-travel or whatever it was makes me think he might appear randomly in this alt universe place to help/do certain things. I have no idea what yet but I've always thought he was going to be the biggest player in all this.
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There's at least two times now when Miles has noticed something wrong and not said anything. 1. When Claire survived the explosion and later left with Christian. 2. When Sayid came back to life.
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They are FINALLY starting to shed light on the "sickness" (something that's been hinted about since SEASON ONE with little to no explanation since)... The stuff with Dogen and Jack was great... The Ethan cameo was cool. Eerie even when he starts talking about sticking Claire with needles... So far I'm digging the alternate LA X world...Claire being the new Rousseau is cool. And I honestly dont see the big gripe with Kate episodes. The one when she robbed the bank was cool. I also liked the one where she got married to the cop. This one was alright... I really didnt see the huge problem with this ep...
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Could dead Christian have been placed into the Temple Fountain after the original crash and been resurrected with the infection (making him darker)?If so, he could be a separate entity than MiB and this would better explain Claire and Sayid's fate.
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*** throws TB grenade and ducks for cover ***
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MacFrasier is a big fat douche. A big fat douche. A big fat douche. Everybody sing along!MacFrasier is a big fat douche. A big fat douche. A big fat douche.I smell Vinegar!
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While I applaud your dedication your your theory, last night's "pop up video" of last week's episode called them "flash sideways".
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Feb 10, 2010 12:00:00 PM CST
k@Mr. Nice Gaius ..you Madre frikkin frikicity frak frakity..
by macfaux
Grrrr... Shite-y som bitch-y ..Shai-Hulud-y sack of donkey kong-y dongs..
GRENADE!
Rolll out!
Baahm.
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Why is Hurley nicknamed Hurley?
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I watched a few season one episodes the other day, like Tabula Rasa for one, and very little happened and yet they were riveting. The problem with the last two seasons is they are trying to cram too much into each episode, too many emotional highpoints and twists.
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Buddy. C'mon, meine Geheime Staatspolizei freund! mano.. are you still angry? rrrr! I mean it was you're.. er..*chuckle* or 'your'..*snort* own self that clowned you're-self so totally....
Bozo..
Grock..
Coco..
Fumagilli..
Chuchin..
Doody..
Patches..
Pee-Wee..
Sorry, babe..I'm runnin out of clowns I can think of beyond myself, but good God damn..I mean..you. Websters. turn to the page and it and there your are. Fool.
Keep on keepin on man, you give me good giggles.
*HeHe..Vinegar. man you must be so pissed at yourself for screwin ..well, ya know. yourself. Idioten on parade. *snort* -
Can't believe anyone has mentioned this (and if you did, I haven't seen it on other boards either).
Sayid is infected the same way Russo's team was infected. We never learned what that was until last season, when they went under the gates to the temple.
People are overthinking it. It isn't claimed and the MIB, the people just turn evil. The dark water = infection. Surprised the Others haven't realized that.
Think I am off? Then why did Jinn nearly drink the dark water from the stream towards the end just to get attacked and prevent it? Remember Kate nearly drinking it a few seasons ago? -
"The McPoyles as the Others..."
That made me smile so big my chicken salad sandwich fell out me mouth and onto me lap. Buddy, I'd get off my ass and stop drinkin for a couple of days to work at raisin money for that good show. Nate Mooney and Jimmi Simpson runny wild and woolly, in bath robes, with dull steak knifes, stabbin anyone and everyone.... tryin to save Doyle and Margaret.. All to the soundtrack of Bow Wow Wow ..'I Want Candy'
Well I have three words for ya genius, mi amigo.
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set up. No it doesn't. It's been set up for 5 seasons. Make your !@#$ing move already.
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MacFrasier is a bigger fatter douche. A bigger fatter douche. A bigger fatter douche.
Everybody sing along!
MacFrasier is a bigger fatter douche. A bigger fatter douche. A bigger fatter douche....that doesn't do well with irony. Maybe he has an iron deficiency? -
I don't mind episodes that stand alone so long as that's their function, but this episode felt like its purpose was to move the story along and yet very little happened. This is the final season, you can't be doing this Lost writers. Let's pick it up.
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Feb 10, 2010 12:40:59 PM CST
one of the biggest things that probably won't be answered...
by thekylegassproject
i think we will never learn about the post-dharma assignments of kelvin/radzinczky(sp?)/desmond to the hatch.
first, i think one of the biggest plot holes has to do with radzincky. when we first heard about him, he was living with kelvin in the swan station and was as mystified about the island as everyone else.
i support this by pointing to his (and kelvins) exploratory quests out onto the island and the blast-door map - which is obviously drawn by people who had no idea what the fuck the dharma initiative was all about in its hay day (even though we know it was radzincky and kelvin who drew it) - remember the big question mark over the central dharma station and descriptions of possible functions of other stations?
yet when we meet radzinczky in 1977 dharmaville, he seems to be one of the most knowledgeable of the dharma folks as to what the initiative was trying to do and was familiar with all of the dharma stations.
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the enhanced episode comments are from ABC and not LOST production insiders, they sometimes guess and somwtimes are wrong, according to Darlton themselves. And a reincarnation could be interpreted as a flash sideways I guess
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"They never asked me any questions"! To Damon and other "filler" fighters, maybe a lot happened, but it doesn't feel like it did. Not a great ep. As a fan from day 1, slow episode. Would have been nice if they balanced out the character stuff with specific explanations. It's not that it wasn't leading us down a path, it just seemed this stuff could have been resolved faster, rather than taking an entire episode.
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What about the sound effects for the flash-sideways? Towards the end of the sound effect, it sounds like a creaking boat or ship or something.
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season 6 cannot be just one giant unveiling of answers. where is the drama in that?
season 6 needs to have its own arc as well (outside of the series arc). to do that, things need to be put into place. more questions are to be expected. enjoy the ride. kwitcherbitchin. -
why would reincarnation be just for s5... where did we see confimration of that anywhere in s5? Haffs Drawalar, the funeral parlor, appeared in the s3 finale, and the secret word "flash forward" was for s4, the next season. the ALT sideways isn't a reboot or reset or nw timeline or parallel universe, its a new life cycle or rebirth in the circle, a reincarnation. We're seeing Jack and co. in their reincarnation after the bomb went off.
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I think the scepticism is purely as to whether anything we saw last night was an actual consequence, or will it just be rehashed whenever the consequences are ready to happen. To wit, we'll get a Jack episode which retreads his scenes with Dogen and what they really mean. We'll get a Sayid episode that illustrates what being claimed by the infection actually does. We'll get a Claire episode that fills us in on 2004-2007. We'll get a Jin episode where he's reunited with Sun. We'll get a Sawyer episode that pays off splitting him from the group. Now I understand these events need to be set in motion. But there has to be something of consequence in the movement, that alters the character's behaviour from herein. It can't just be rearranging the board. Yes, it's happened in previous seasons, but so what. That just means they didn't learn from the mistake. Now this episode was supposed to be Kate-centric. So while these pieces were being set up for later, what actually happened to Kate? She escaped from the Marshall last week. We already know that. We already saw her on the run from him in Australia in season one. So she's teamed up with Claire. Cool. But what did she and Claire actually do? So Claire's pregnant, and might go into labour. Wow. Who saw that coming? Did she actually go into labour? No. Did we find out more about Aaron? No. Now Sawyer wanting to leave the temple I can understand. He wants to be by himself. Now what exactly is Kate's motivation for following him? What does she accomplish when she finds him? I'm struggling to answer that. It's blindingly obvious this should have been a Sawyer episode, if its purpose truly is to separate the characters. Except next week is a Locke episode, so they want to wait for that to deal with certain things. Which also means no follow up on Locke from last week. And because it's a Kate episode, we don't get anything in the flashsideways to compliment the more interesting developments regarding Jack and Sayid at the temple. So they'll end up doing that twice. I think the synopsis for this episode was Kate-centric purely to mirror the third episode of season one. Whatever's planned for Kate, they're not ready for it yet, so it's a waste. Her motivation is to find Claire? Then let Claire capture Kate in the jungle, just as Kate kidnaps Claire in Los Angeles. It's not rocket science. Yet clearly the starting point was it has to be Kate, because that matches season one, and the cliffhanger has to be Claire. The result is its structurally fucked, because the narrative arc is totally inconsequential. There's no reason to it being a Kate episode, so it just pretends to be. Plot wise, everything set in motion is fine. The accretion of details building up the season six story arc. Love it. Just not a good way of telling it, this time out. Show always looks great too. The writers totally failed to craft a strong episode on its own terms, which is a Kate-centric building to the Claire reveal. But in terms of the season six mythos, no problems. Other writers they have on staff would have done more with this. I actually loved the Kate stuff in LA X. Really felt like something out of a Hitchcock suspense thriller. The music score and editing was really nice. Had high hopes that tone would continue, and that was the purpose of it being a Kate episode. Hence the disappointment that it felt like a step back. Was very impressed by how much they had happening rapidly on multiple fronts last week. I think that's the way to go, unless they've got something very specific in mind. If they felt it necessary to reintroduce Claire before we see her on the island, to get the contrast, maybe she should have been featured on the airplane last week, before she got the taxi. I just think Lost has all the ingredients to stake a legitimate claim for the best single season of a TV show in history this year, at least among genre shows. LA X set the bar high. This felt like a misstep, whilst remaining assured with regards to the overall quality of the season arcs to come.
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How many logins do you have? Seeing as you constantly accuse others of the same thing and that seems to be your bag, accusing others of the same thing you do. You like playing dress-up? Did it start in your mommie's closet? Whatcha gonna do? Put on your toughguyrizzo suit and....type at me?
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c'mon man. use the line breaks. you know better. i wanna read your theories. but fuck man. just look at that block of text.
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I believe that "filler" is an episode that you can basically cut out of the season and not really lose anything from the story.. like those Lucille Ball clip shows from Three's Company.. this had a major revelation.. Claire is alive and obviously acting like Rousseau.. along with her having some "infection" which could or could not be what Rousseau's people had. Off-island, Ethan Rom is Ethan Goodspeed the good doctor and LA Cops care obviously stupid. Was the story boring? It was to me, I wanted to see Locke and the other group too. I hate it when you drop one storyline for a week or so. Last week was 2 hours of goodness and this one, not so much. And as I recall there were originally supposed to be 16 episodes of the last season, but ABC wanted 2 more, could this be the 1st of 2 slow moving hours?
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the episode opens back into the conversation between desmond and jack on flight 815. except when jack goes to help charlie, we stay with desmond.
desmond goes into another lavatory. he stares at himself in the mirror, then washes his face. when he goes to look back in the mirror, he finds himself staring into a jungle. he looks around and suddenly he is on the island, completely perplexed.
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I tried to read all the responses so if this has been mentioned sorry. If you rewatch you will see that there are actually two different colors to the smoke monster. It seems to me that when Eko first saw Smokey it was more white in color. When he was attacked it was a darker color much like what we have seen with Keamy and now Locke. Was Jacob the other Smokey? Did he just judge people where MIB killed? Did Locke originally see Jacob or MIB when he saw the white light the first time he saw Smokey? Just a thought.
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space-time will fold in on itself?
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ya know. No you wouldn't. Only University folk have anatomy..but gods... Kid, you are clownin yourself up again. Can I buy ya some more face paint? *snigger*
I admire your need to stalk me. I have that affect on folk. Usually, its just late 20-somethin girls. with daddy issues. Is that you? No? Well. Heh, that's ok.
*snortle*..you keep on creep-uh-fyin on those comparative adjectives.. Soon. Your brain will suck on to the Superlative. You do seem to like it. Very Strange. More so as English-y aint your mother tongue.. But, oh my, how you do give good twirl. *guffaw*
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I hope she finally commits to something rather than whimpering in indecision every single time she's confronted with something "heavy".
Of all the characters on the island, she's become the most irritating. I don't want her to end up happy any longer, I just want her out of the picture. She does more bad than good at this point. -
Since Inman referred to him being a brilliant man, they ought to have made Daniel take Radzinski's place in the hatch, to escape the incident in 1977. Then he spends the intervening years learning about the island, drawing that crazy map. Then eventually he ends up with his constant, Desmond, who later won't recognise his younger self. Of course it's all moot because of the Daniel getting shot by his mother plot. But it's a shame they couldn't get more of Clancy Brown as Inman. They never explained the business with him knowing Sayid and Kate's father, and ending up on the island. The hatch has become pretty significant, so not making more of Radzinski,Inman,Desmond between 1977 and 2004 feels like a shame. Just one more thing from season two that slipped away, like the larger plans for Eko after surviving in the tail section. His episodes were especially well crafted, much more so than the average Kate or Jack flashback. It would be intriguing if Lindelof went back over the whole show, what he'd tighten together in retrospect. Maybe map Shannon and Boone onto Paulo and Nikki. Tidy up the Walt business. Stuff like that. So much to-ing and fro-ing in the jungle that seemed to take up entire halves of seasons could probably be doubled up so that plot elements from different seasons were done simultaneously. The whole business with the freighter seemed like a stalling tactic to me. Rewrite Lost now and I reckon they'd get rid of it. Some stray thoughts. Nice parallel that we once saw a mock up of 815 at the bottom of the ocean, and now we've seen the island at the bottom of the ocean. Plus I wonder if there will be an Ajira flight in the alt-timeline.
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Amigo. Just to mention.. to observe not suggest. It would be much easier to follow if you could break your thoughts out in the form of paragraphs.
2 ways to go there..
Use (remove the spaces) after thoughts.. Or.
Use (remove the spaces) after paragraphs.
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That's the best you can do? Am I supposed to get all trembly because you love the homo-erotic talk? Did Daddy hug you TOO much? Why do you hate the gays, MacFrasier? What have they done to you? Got my fingers crossed you choke on your own tongue with one of those chortles. Gotta be scary, with the spectre of death hovering over your shoulder, checking its watch. No wonder you drink.
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Anyone think a lot of the "filler" complaints are partially based on them putting Kate's name in the title of the episode? Calling it a Kate-Centric episode prepared the Kate-haters (yes, myself included) up to not like it. If they had emphasized that this was the "Claire is back in both timelines" episode it would have been a lot more welcomes.I do plan to watch this again, if for no other reson than to confirm that this was actually a Kate episode without any Patsy Cline. Does this mean she's no longer "crazy"?The writers are saying this ep was meant to show that the off island or LA X timeline Kate is still on the run but having fun with it and keeping a more positive attitude. If that was their intent, well, I'm not sure it came trough that way. Running from cops in a hot cab and pointing guns at a preggo? Takes more than a pretty smile to make that seem like 'fun'. And I still suggest that trying to play the freshly widowered Sawyer paints Kate as a real... un-nice person.
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assuming ethan is super-human because he kicked a little ass is inane. that's the exact kind of little shit people get stuck on that drives me crazy.
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http://tinyurl.com/SonicWeaponFenceShort article about Lost inspired bands, band names and songs.I'd love to hear Sonic Weapon Fence's "Kate + No One 4 Eva!" with the chorus "Kate Kate Kate/ I hope that you end up alone" - Sounds like I'm not the only Kate Hata.
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Was cauturizing the wound. Nothing to do with the test.
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Thanx Pa for confirming y observation that Kate's Alias Joan Hart was inspired by Kate's Mom being played by Beth Broderick, Aunt Zelda from Melissa Joan Hart's Sabrina the Teenage Witch. I assumed so , though a JOAN Jett and the BlackHEART's shout out would have been cool too.KissKissBangBang (cool Bond reference handle) - thanx for your comment. And yes, your second assumption is correct, I have been here since the very first Lost talkback at AICN - the preview one before the pilot aired. I have been banned several times, which is why I have a different name. And like most girls on the internet, I am a 57 year old 386 pound male. Vikki Marsdale was a very nice stray kitten who unfortunately passed away last summer. My old ID, Napoleon, was also the name of a cat - my first, from the '60s.Interesting article about the Lost LA X ep in the new issue of Television Program Listings Magazine - the one with Canadian Ice Skating on the cover. Clears up a few minor details. I'd imagine it's in The Room blog by now.
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Feb 10, 2010 1:32:43 PM CST
@TheUmpireStrokesBach ..boobala, zoomed right past your uptake..
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If Widmore is Robert Putney Drake.. and right on...
Who do ya think Simon Moon and Markoff Chaney are?
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how about:
"i don't even trust myself". brilliant line. jack's been almost useless for an entire season. he's coming out of his funk. and taking the pill. that was badass and you could tell that dogan and lennon thought so.
kate's WILLINGNESS to go back and possibly get caught because despite being a fugitive she's actually a decent person, something the show has been trying to show us the ENTIRE TIME. also, jacob was leading people through certain situations before, why couldn't jacob have been preventing kate from getting caught?
kate, claire and aaron clearly have some kind of bond. this was shown to us in very subtle ways and was handled very well.
ethan in the hospital and supposedly a good guy. awesome.
claire is back. we're not sure how. perhaps claimed by rousseau. maybe rousseau was claimed by somebody originally similar to the mib/locke situation. once rousseau died, claire was claimed by this unknown person.
also claire is simply back on the show. i'm psyched about that, no matter how.
for the entire run of the show, sawyer has been painted as a loner who is only concerned about himself. last night we learn that he was willing to settle down and get married. kind of makes sense that he would be upset. he's probably mostly pissed that he let his guard down.
though it was hard to watch mac from it's always sunny try to be serious, it took me out of the show in a good way.
anyway, my point here is that most of you are complaining just to complain. this 'bad episode' of lost had more to it than the best episode of any other show and i didn't even explore some of the situations that were presented.
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Yeah, I'll go copy that tape and edit out the ads like I always do and see if I have anything to add.Even with the "Hottest Hot Hotties of Lost" debate before the episode and the anguished cries of "filler" - and honestly, it was not my favorite episode, either - this talkback was still a lot more civilized and interesting than the previous one. At least this time around a third of the total bandwidth wasn't taken up with dissecting the season two finale.
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I learned that Kate episodes will always, for the most part, let me down in comparison to the uber badass episodes of Lost. I've learned to accept that. Same with Jin/Sun episodes. Next week looks good and I hope it's balls-to-the-wall for the rest of the season. I liked Jack's defiance of the Others and asking questions (of course they refused to answer them because, like the Angels on Supernatural... they're dicks). Next week looks good.
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Sayid was on Jacob's list. He was claimed by big baddie so MiB is winning the battle so far. If he can convince Sawyer (I doubt it since Sawyer has a mancrush on Jack and has a crush on Kate, likes Miles and has Hugo for best friend) he'd pretty much hammer the last nail on Jacob's imaginary coffin.
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Come on, some of you people were complaining about the "Hurley's Van" episode back in Season 3, which has aged very well. After the breakneck pacing of Season 5, we were due for some slower character stuff. It felt like we hadn't seen everyone just stopping to interact for a while. (Give them a freaking chance to rest!) And Jack's frustration with the Others' superiority complex was VERY well conveyed, as was Sawyer's grief. These beats made sense. It's all about the rhythm to a season. The writers can't stop to breathlessly address all your geeky sci-fi questions week after week, and some of us actually find the characters stuff more entertaining than the nonsensical plot devices."That being said..."Kate's X-world scenes were ludicrous. She points a gun at a clearly traumatized Claire, then... what? Gets an other-world memory triggered from Aaron's stuffed animal? (Which I remember Aaron was clutching when she and Jack fought in S4). Then she drives around L.A. until she happens upon Claire magically at a bus stop? Wow, mystical forces at work. And Claire is OK with buddying around with this clearly unbalanced woman?Look. It's made clear that the survivors kind of "recognize" each other from time to time, which is pretty cool, but Claire's lack of anxiety with Kate (after she returns) just rang false to me.These things, and not the pacing of the episode, are what made "What Kate Does" weak.Another thing... I am glad they are finally addressing the "evil Claire" issue, which has been bugging most of us since she said (creepily), "no, I'm with him" at the dark little cabin taken over by MIB-Christian.In the X-timeline, Ethan made it off the island as an infant, and apparently became a doctor, and a decent dude. When he first appeared, they should have had him appear suddenly at the hospital room door (having just taken a shower in the doctors' lounge, his hair all wet) with a slack jawed-expression: "Hello there." But then of course then he smiles and walks his clipboard to the bed and the scene continues normally.
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What has she done? Other than blowing up her abusive stepfather? (that guy needed killin). She hasn't thrown a knife into anybody's back, like Locke did, or gotten innocent people killed, as Locke has. Is it because she's fucked Jack and Sawyer? Is it the slut double standard? Cuz Sawyer's done a lot more fucking than her so far. Hell, even Jack has. I love Juliet as much as the next guy, but there's more reason to hate her than Kate (unless you have short term memory).
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To answer your query above. Yes. Yes I do. ...wee lil front runners.
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After a few days of later in the season, we'll see this ep has it's importance. We got some good stuff tho.
But I'm going with the time has split theory.
It was also great to see Mac from It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia. Fuckin awesome.
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"Some people should just be alone" (paraphrasing) to Kate on the dock was aimed at Kate as well as himself. All Kate does is use people and then run. I said this earlier, but of all the characters on Lost I think she is the one who deserves to be alone at the end. The sheer amount of self-righteousness that drips off of everything she says to people she doesn't want to fuck is unbelievable for someone who commited cold blooded murder and robbed a bank to get a toy airplane. Even off of the island when she called Locke crazy to his face even though he did everything he said he was going to do including moving the frikkin island. She saw the island disappear but Locke's crazy? He didn't put dozens of lives in danger for a plastic airplane that belonged to someone else she used. She ruins everything she touches and I hope her final arc on this show is to realize that, whether she's with Jack or Sawyer, she won't be happy and will find a way to escape. Final shot of Kate ever could be her riding off into the jungle alone on her black horse, the only thing that ever made her happy.
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Generation Me are on this talkback?
Cause this is not the show to be watching if youre in that age group. It's not fast food and text messages kids.
You gotta have this thing that you may have heard about. Possibly. It's called.....patience.
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I'll have to rewatch, but when Jack asks Dogen why he just doesn't give Sayid the pill/cure/poison, doesn't he [Dogen] say [highly paraphrased] "We can force him to take it, but it won't work, he has to do it of his accord".
I thought that was an interesting detail - sort of points to the pill having both a physical effect and more "supernatural" element (like inviting a vampire in...). Note how Sayid was very clear about "I'll take this if YOU want me to [Jack]". It's like a faith/trust thing.
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I could have used a few more periods.
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But yes, just had to throw that out there.
So far this TB has been civil and I'm hoping it stays that way.
There's ALOT going in this ep. Filler or not, We got some "Sickness" roots, Claire, some time split goodies, like Arzt and Ethan, Mac from Sunny in Philly.
Loved Hurley is out leader now line from Miles. They make a great team actually. All of season's 5 exchanges were good shit.
I think this was more of a setup episode and it also possible Dogan and the Temple are definitely not what they seem.
We're also getting a bit of Jack rising up into the spotlight again. In a leader way. Manning up for his mistakes and even willing to take a bullet for Sayid. So, I'll take THAT good shit and try and forget about Kates crap. I agree, enough with the love triangle shit. Sawyer loved Juliet more that he'll ever love Kate. -
I read that The Temple peeps may be run by MIB, but Mac (the other who got shot by Claire) Actually Aldo was scared of smokie. So, hopefully they are trying to protect the Losties from smokey like Dogan and Aldo were claming.
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It is interesting that it's supposed to work that way, but if Jack was willing to just pop it, why would it work on him?
Jack was doing it in contempt. If Sayid did happen to take it from Dogan or Lennon, wouldnt it have the same effect?
And at this point, where Cindy to give some insight on who these core Losties are? Why they are so resilient?
Not to toot my own horn, but I've been in charge of people before in the navy and decision making sucks sometimes. I get where Dogan is coming from, but if they are shitting themselves after Jacobs death, wouldnt you try and get the most cooperation possible?
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Maybe both sides (once "claimed") have to play by the same rules as Jacob v. MIB. That is, no direct harm, only via a proxy (i.e., when Ben killed Jacob for MIB).
Er, not sure how the torture fits into that, other than maybe that might only kill the vessel and not the smokie/taint/whateverthefuck hiding inside.
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"we would like to thank u for this bountiful harvest u have provided- Dominos, KFC, and the ALWAYS delicious Taco Bell". here is the quarrel with me Faux. am I the andy to ur sasha or are u the sasha to my andy???
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anybody think that Smokie might have launched it into the forest? the ship was seen in last yrs. season finale with jabob and mib talking about it. maybe he tries to "convert" the Black Rock crew,before jacob talks to them, and gets pissed when they dont?
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When I get the pics from the meetup last night I'm gonna post a few on room 23. I KNOW you're gonna love a specific few.
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kill me dead with the funny. Ah. the funny. I got as far as readin "We would like.." dropped my Camel unfiltered, spit my Jack and Coke on my laptop and thought only of Carley's ta-tas...and you know, man...well.
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Holy shit, hahaha, that's awesome!
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Attention to detail fellas. Gotta love it.
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Instead of a pill, the Others should just force infected men to hang out with Kate. That girl is POISON.
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Feb 10, 2010 4:02:18 PM CST
Last night I downloaded all the Lost Experience videos.
by royston lodge
I love torrents.
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To your question above. I stick by if there are two smokies that the lighter/white one was Jacob. More benevolent and just observing vs. MIB's raging against the island. Now Jacob knew MIB found his loophole in Locke. Perhaps Jacob did the same thing therefore directing Hurley to bring Sayid to the temple so he could do the same thing to not abandon his people and fight MIB. Perhaps the battle will be Sayid becoming Jacob trying to convince the Others that he is who he is all set up very well by last nights events. The Others wanting to kill the possession in Sayid thinking it is just another MIB manifestation meanwhile they might lose their leader for good.
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I frankly don't get it. I don't expect every episode to be rife with revelation and game changers ... Yes even in the last season. There's no rush for gods sake. I'm not claiming it was necessarily a good episode but I don't understand the intense disappointment.
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lord o lord his twat 'n' panties are gonna be in a wad LOL!! hey...wait a minute... there are girls in ur pics and i have a daughter...hmm...guess we are homo for each other AFTER ALL. oh well YET ANOTHER dumbass theory of 'ol lostBOY shot down AGAIN.
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It's possible that there are. As Ben was able to call/control Smokie in season 4.
So, we may have to go back and reference all the smoke monster moments.
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Who are you [in the pic]. Not being stalky, just wanted to put a face with a name :) I'm _assuming_ TGR is the goofy SOB with the red shirt (hahaha!)
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im there in "theory" though lol. i live in north carolina.
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Ahh, OK cool. The TB engine has such goddam disconnect with users (I guess by design), so no location, etc. to figure out who's where. FTR, I'm down in Florida (northeast coast).
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They advanced the story of the infection, so I'd hardly call that filler, but all the alt reality stuff IS filler and combining it with a Kate story made it seem worse. It may not be an alt reality, it may just be a gimmick (like the tarded S3 finale flash-forwards), but if anything is going to ruin this season, it'll be that. There is simply no way this alt reality stuff won't seem like a pointless waste in the end.
I'm really worried about what I read above about the writers wanting to focus on the love triangle again. This is precisely what killed season 3 and caused people to leave the show in droves. And it's not that I have anything against love stories (Juliet and Penelope's were handled well), it's that I despise Kate as a person and the only story I want to see her in is one of suffering. I'd love to see Jack and Sawyer shake hands and say, "you know what, fuck that dizzy twat!" I simply don't buy their (romantic) attraction to her. But I could get past her not being a good person, so long as she was even slightly interesting. The fans hate her far more than they ever hated Ana Lucia, Nikki or Paulo, yet the producer insist on treating her as if we give a fuck. Meanwhile, we loved Locke and they killed him, the fucking sperm burpers.
They do need to up the pace a bit if they want to answer all the questions. If you lay out all the questions, they'd need to answer something like 20 of them an episode to even get close to finishing this story up. And I don't want them crammed into the final episode. There shouldn't even be the sense of filler at this point. -
Actually, it says Shwarma. It was on tee-fury.com. Yesterday they did another LOST tee. It was smokie the bear, reading Only YOU can protect the Island.
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The Island? Lock-up? Gettin treatment for those.. 'sores'?
Buddy, I must confess, in your absence, I have been throwin around RL No-prizes like chum of the coast of Cairns. Mostly in the negative. As in you won't get a Royston Lodge no-prize.
Sorry man, I know it never was mine to give or not give..
In my Lost insecurity.. I needed to embiggen myself...
Nah, I'm just fuckin with ya, I'm all ego, I have no sense of decorum. I just totally stole your bit. No excuses.. -
Where the goonie goo goo is the link to the pics. Know of course you have most likely told me at least twice before and I have probably, assuredly stumbled over them, by accident, at least thrice.
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http://lostroom23.blogspot.com/
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Was that a birthday present for Doc Arzt to quote your namesake in Midnight Cowboy?
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Yeah, got a laugh out of that one. I think every New Yorker has the right to do that once in their life.
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Kate not even recognizing someone she previously hurt. She can be nice when presented the opportunity, but she has no problem hurting innocent people who just happen to be in the way, and she continues to think nothing of it. She also tends to run from the opportunity to help people and screw over people she knows care about her and would help her if the situation was reversed.
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Found'em. Good God Almighty..
Sweet holy baked potatoes, If I took a year to figure, I don't think I could feature a bigger figurative ass stompin, pooty tang pawn of LostVagyTex than you just did there.
Navy, that is some of the most awesome a-hole beat down with out usin weapons.. I have ever seen. Ever. Probably the best. You are all about the Mind, aren't ya.
Godsdamn. You are now in possession of one silly sad bitch of a person. What ya gonna do with him?
Ps. Your ladies are fine, all about the team, and i am envious, yeah..yep. Lucky.
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Some of you guys keep calling him Dogan. It's Dogen, with an E.
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next up? addiction to anxiety pills and hanging out outside funeral parlors
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I get the sense they added him just to sell the series more easily to the Japanese market. Which is why he probably will turn out to be a good guy.
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Yeah, I actually trimmed the chin ferret. I didnt realize it looked that long. Christ.
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...sure do like killing people. And torturing people. And kidnapping people. Oh yeah, and stealing babies from their mamas and daddies. I mean I'm sure they're the good guys and all, and Jacob's all Michael Rennie/John Phillip Law on the inside, but if you were to - you know - follow that old "by their fruit shall ye know them" dictate you might come to the conclusion these were the bad guys. Old Rousseau, she tried to help our brave little band of protagonists, once she got used to the being crazy and around other people thing. At least she didn't seem like someone who'd had all the good wiped out of them. She wouldn't have stood by while her daughter got shot. But I know, Linus was acting on his own, Linus had gone all Kurtz in the jungle. But you know, first thing Dogen wanted to do was shoot everybody. And then he sends Kate and Jin out into the jungle with a guy who wants to shoot them pretty much just 'cause, and even with them supposedly being "candidates" and all. And then there was that poison pill thing, and wanting Jack to be the one who put it on Sayid's tongue. Who knows, maybe that last will turn out to just be another test. I mean, sure, Jacob and his Others are solid. I'm sure they're on the side of the angels or grays or the great big turtle. But if you were to, you know, judge them by what they've actually done, all the way to distracting Sayid while the lost love of his life got pancaked, well, I think you might just come to the conclusion that they're the bad guys.
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but did ya shave that sizzlechest?
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did you notice jin almost drank the water before the Others stopped him?
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...I liked last night's episode and thought it moved the story along pretty well. I feel like I know the other Others a lot better than I did before. And I can't really get behind the Kate hate. Or I guess I could, but I can't understand anyone hating Kate but not hating Jack maybe five times more. Because in the self-righteous, self-satisfied, self-centered derby Kate runs a very distant second to the Smug Doctor of Doom Island. Although I did like his stunt with the pill last night. It was good to get to root him on for a change.
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Anyone else notice that "Angelic" light that appeared over Brams head when smokey tried to attack him and hit the ash circle?
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...but is there a vaguely dreamlike quality to all the LA action? Kate and Claire were both almost sparkly pretty in LA. Kate drove around LA for hours in a stolen taxi, which bends reality at the seams in two different ways, that she wouldn't get caught and that a career criminal would ever do such a thing. Kate happens across Claire on a corner, the presence of the stuffed animal was overly coincidental, the appearance of Ethan playing in a benevolent key the same role he had on the island... ...and there was plenty in the first two hours, too, not just Desmond flitting in and out and Jack's very surreal encounter with Locke. Maybe what's happening in Los Angeles isn't really happening. Or maybe it's something that's in the process of coalescing. At this point I'm just not ready to put it down to sloppy writing.
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1) ""complaining about the "Hurley's Van" episode back in Season 3"" ..nope not us here, as we knew, beyond the down the mountain and avoid the rocks what for... It was 8-Track easy..."Wash away my troubles, wash away my pain. With the rain in Shambala, Wash away my sorrow, wash away my shame. With the rain in Shambala"
Some of us here saw the similarity to the 'Wash Away' in 1.3. What? I haven't mentioned Joe Purdy today...
b) as you typed "Kate's X-world scenes were ludicrous." Well. Thats simple. uninspired. a bit dumb. bastard. Did I mention you only got into Canton cause you are Mormon? It was a quota thing. Diversity and all. Oh, and Troy Aikman hates you..and ya know what.. Grit does too...
Yeah, none of that hatin stuff is true.. I'm just messin with ya. Good Points before the Kate Hate.
But, Troy Aikman does really hate ya.
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Along with the toy airplane and the recorded message.
It was in the lunchbox she buried with her friend back when she was a little kid.
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I really despise all nicknames for this guy so far but MiB. Flock or Block are okay, but a few that popped up today were LAME. My bro either came up with or stole Lockeness Smokester. It is a bit long, but not too bad. Much better than many here. Especially ones that the creaters use 2-3-or more times trying to get them to catch on. Lockeness Smokester -- Lockeness Smokester -- Lockeness Smokester!
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And perfected the art of the slide into tackles. My Hero -- of wussyness.
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Goddamn. Nice catch/backstory reference.
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Rolls off the tongue better, and is a cultural reference that people will get automatically.
And Claire is now Feral Claire.
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...Smocke? Or Locki? Or Lockemonster? Although I liked yours, Jimbo. But it's too long for me to ever want to type.
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Kates dad had a military badge on his arm that is given to those who have served long stays in Korea.
Jin's mom was a whore, soldiers frequent prostitutes....
Jin never knew his father, the man who raised him was not his real father.
So it could be possible that the man who raised Kate is also the father of Jin.
Not likely of course, but in Lost's world where seemingly disparate people end up weirdly interconnected... anythings possible.
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I didn't mention it cause..
A) I am some such Calamity Jane in Deadwood drunk all the while...figured it was only, ya know, my drunk.
..and 2) Who wants to have to listen to "Oh, heaven let your light shine down" Ed Roland? Collective Soul? I hate those fuckin guys ..as talented as they are.. I hate those fuckin guys..
Nuts. and But...yeah. I saw it Rizz. Light over the circle. Candidly, I'm not sure I help your case. -
...I think I like just NotLocke best of all.
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Feb 9th, 2010, 10:44:09 PM. And that is only derivative of what I typed a long long time ago ..and got rolled up on LostPedia. a long long time ago.
It's all simpatico babe. A universal truth every one arrives at in their own time, at the same destination, eventually. And understands it all.. and truly there are no points for being first. Sorry to interfere and alll. yep. -
...of everything I hated about most of seasons two and three. Nothing. Actually. Happened. to progress the stories that matter.
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The off-island events of this episode happen on 10/22/04.
The expiration date of all Apollo bars used on the show have the printed expiration date of 10/23/04.
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...Evangeline Lily most certainly is.
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Not-Locke.. Me? I have been tryin to sell folk on Non-John.
Your's is better ..Not-Locke.
God-dammit..I wish I thought of that.. Not-Locke.. it is a TV show waitin to happen.
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Was it my imagination, or was Jacob standing there waiting on a cab when Kate hijacked Claire's? Gotta watch that seq. again.
caught the Star Wars ref.
didn't hate this episode, but after last week's, it was pretty weak.
thought it was cool that Sawyer had the foresight to hide some shit under the floorboards.
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Thought it was too easy for Kate to find Claire. "But hey, It's TV" Thats what my dad used to say.
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The test was torture because as a torturer Sayid would have been tortured himself in order to better know the thought process of those he is torturing.
Bottom line is that Sayid should have experience with torture, and being tortured in this way should not have caused him to go from a tough and proud warrior into a whimpering sissyboy.
He failed because he did not show himself to act in the manner that Sayid would have acted.
And the others having a dossier on all of these people would have known of Sayids past.
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Like Ben's premier. Cause. That. Was. Something. That. Happened.
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jacob should be evil wit all thst he has or has not done... esp after he treated ben so terribly... and think bout it ben is essentially OUR main antagonist so it would make sense for him to be followin the wrong guy... im sick of the dodgin of questions esp wit this bein the last season... and exactly what did kate do? wouldve made more sense if claire delivered the baby... kates plan to find claire was stupid... and i dont understand why people dislike her so much compared to a homewrecker who was the most evasive asshole on the show (does bigger breasts hide your faults)? i hate juliet esp since sawyer actually seemed to care bout her... but cant wait to see sawyer face2face wit unlocke... miles knows something fishy goin on...
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Feb 10, 2010 8:08:49 PM CST
Claire at bus stop = Losties are intrinsically linked.
by dailysportspages
Its why Claire would trust someone who just pointed a gun at her, its why Kate and Jack stare at each other on more than on occasion, why Kate gets pangs when she see's the whale toy, why Claire just happens to have the name Aaron pop into her head out of nowhere, why Kate springs up when she hears the name, etc...
These people are all now connected because of the events going on in their other dimension/timeline what have you.
Their are leading separate lives but continue to share some sort of deep down connection in their time and space.
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I mean.. I don't know about the apocalypse and all..
But I never saw or noticed the Ex-date on the Apollo Bars. So.
Well, done, Sir. well done.
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han to leia in ESB.
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In the same way that some people believe that God is the bad guy in the Hebraic creation story.
God wants us to remain subservient to him in ALL ways, while Samael wants us to be enlightened and truly be free.
So Samael becomes the serpent and gets Eve and Adam to eat from the tree of knowledge. They gain knowledge and thus are now free from the bondage of ignorant.
So God punishes them for seeking knowledge by making them mortal.
And ultimately God casts out Samael and all of his followers from his heavenly kingdom for continuing to help humanity evolve.
So who is the bad guy in that story?
Maybe Richard remains immortal because he doesnt rock the boat by asking too many questions :)
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I guess the Losties on the Island have too much going on to stop and wonder what a scratch on the neck is or Shamu.
But the Losties in 2004 are almost like sleepwalking. Or dazed. They are going on with their lives, just kinda catching a hint here and there like theres something else.
please reference our hate for our favorite troll on room23.blogspot.com
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wit how lost like to manifest chars destinys i see jack will be forced to kill sayid... and i think dogen is as old as richard and he couldve been on black rock... i know its not dharma initative thing more like 815 crash or desmond shipwreck... and after readin lostpedia i do think the mechanic was supposed to be a onisland other or dharma but cha know he couldnt cuz it sunk... and widmore needs to be in the next two eps or ill be pissed
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...Non-John provides layers of revelatory truth about the character that are missing in every other would-be name. I will never call him anything else. Daily...I know the one Apollo bar Kate ate had that expiration date. But did all of them? Did we even see the expiration date on the one Jacob gave to Jack? I know I could look it up, but if you remember I won't have to bother. my doctor says I'm lazy.
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I'm no longer arguing or fighting with people in talkbacks. I'm just done with it. And particularly with people who spend hour upon hour in one talkback posting hundreds of responses to every little thing that somebody says because they THINK they know something nobody else does. What I said was, "Nothing. Actually. Happened. to progress the stories that matter." We've been promised answers and revelations. Last nights episode felt like five giant steps backwards in comparison to the LA X premier. More mysteries. More unanswered questions. More of the same characters behaving in the same way. Circular nothingness.
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Jacob made him that way, but I'm guessing because Jacob trusts him.
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by saintsaucey Feb 9th, 2010
03:44:08 AM
Rom or Goodspeed. This should be his back story explaining how he left the Dharma for the others
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...but Non-John, at least since he left the temple, has been the very embodiment of the Old Testament God. From his comment about being disappointed in those gathered outside to the casual beating and carrying of Richard. There was no seeming malice in that beating. It seemed the absolutely controlled and measured act of...ownership.
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Cause like ALOT of subtle things in season 2&3, they set up backstories for things that are relevant now.
Like my Generation Me post, last nights ep might have been slow pacing, but it set up a good amount of shit while actually answering a few things. Whether or not it was to your satisfaction, well, that tough shit.
Another post from me: All you fucks who bitch about an episode a day later need to pull a Sawyer. Take a breath, read a book, re-watch an ep, and then make a better decision/opinion of the ep.
You condemned the episode so, I'm pointing out that maybe you shouldnt.
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Is that LA X is kind of a tough act to follow. So, think of it as a small piece of a puzzle. have some paitence or shut the fuck up and stop bitching cause there was ALOT more in that ep than you realize.
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i think lax will reset to reg reality... cuz lax is tech still in the middle of the timeline despite bein another reality... it wont be satisfyin endin the show wit lax cuz essentialially it will be like it was all a dream... that and lax is sorta dramaless cuz we dont care bout lax chars.... so i SAID IT FIRST lax eads to reg reality...
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waaaaa no one LIKES me!!! MOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!
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Please type in real English. Short text typing is kinda annoying. For a second, I thought your "G" key was removed from your keyboard.
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I've gone on record for disliking most Kate episodes as well as hoping that MIB would take a giant dark cloud bite out of her face, but that being said, I enjoyed What Kate Does more than any other Kate ep, as I felt that the LA X stuff mattered more to the story than her lame flashbacks, and the island stuff was all killer set up for some badass action next week.
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But I will agree with Snitsky.
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episode preview- Will Kate be a self-centered bitch OR will...kate be a...self-centered bitch?? U DECIDE LOYAL VIEWER!!!
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Jessie Jane! Cause that would make an episode!
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I think you might be right that the LAX narrative might be the actual ending. I a way it would be an interesting but dissatisfying ending.
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thats cool u being a special needs troll and everything. congrats!
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I meant to post this right after your original comment, but anyway...
re: '04X being slightly fun-kay
The Wifey© actually said it first, but there is sort of [by design?] dream like quality. I mean, it could be creative liberties that Kate manages to get loose, and find a mechanic willing to remove the cuffs, and find Claire again, etc. (which I'm OK with to be honest), but maybe the universe is giving all of them a little help (which looks like implausible coincidence to us).
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Was the music. The scoring of some scenes was among the best I've ever seen on Lost and Lost has fantastic scoring.
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Maybe, we should take a cue from MacFaux and drink ourselves into ... something.
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How do you think I manage on these TB's? Sipping Jameson and have a six-pack of Brooklyn lager.
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It's weird, spending so much time in this temple. It could be cool, but it's hard to buy into Dogen and Lennon when they were never hinted at before.The temple is kinda like a cheap set used on the A-Team. We keep having to deal with baseball Dogen being a prick.It would be nice if more Others we'd seen before were in the Temple with Dogen (not just Mac and the abducted stewardess).I know Tom was killed off, but his presence would give the Temple more weight.
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"have some paitence or shut the fuck up" That's some of your own advice that you should really take to heart. You're trying way too hard, dude.
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its good to see you actually went back and read. Even if it was an hour later. I managed to get laid while you dragged your feet.
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Yeah, the new Others hold no weight. Loved seeing Mac and Cindy, but it's too bad we have no other solid others (ba-dum-dump) to make the Temple connect with the group we have come to know.
So, I know what you're saying. Next week looks good. me & the gf were saying that we are already seeing season 1 mirrors.
Seeds of Sawyer becoming "out for self" again.
Jack & Kate getting together. (now that Kate knows Sawyer wont love her like he did Juliet.
Whatever Locke is being on the hunt. Good or bad. Hes on the hunt for the Temple if anything.
So, yeah, lost kid writes this episode off. Wonder why he posts spoilers cause he's got nothing else? Yeah, he's a troll. and a troll without any retard strength. -
No worries, we all got a laugh at your expense. My NYC group and my solid tb friends. I'll enjoy the praise tho, lol.
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"mib cant directly kill jacob". i NEVER knew that! man, if they only would have said that in an actual episode dammit!! and guys-- poor little lostBOYtexASS reads the spoiler site DarkUfo for his "theories" so be warned....
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Shes a legend! It looked like she enjoyed the cocks more. She did get paid to get cock ya know.
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kinda makes u wonder....
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Rizz has a girlfriend and i have a daughter...yea his gaydar is on point!!
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I dont hide behind this TB. If anyone on this thread would ever want to come and talk shit in my face, they could right?
What about you texas?
You really think taking a shot at my 5 year old nephew would get me riled? No, I laugh at you.
Just like this show, you have you ALWAYS have your facts wrong.
I laid some facts in reply to a thread, then quoted a rap song, "cause if ya dont know, now ya know nigga."
I left out the nigga and typed "n-word." Wasnt in any form of hate, but this kid wants to use it as fuel.
as usual, lostboytexas = FAIL.
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I love him to death. Not a fuckin thing in the world I woudlnt do for him.
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See? Again. FAIL.
Please turn up the heat. I usually get 3-mile Island wings or 911.
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"turn up the heat" LOL. man i just shit my shorts. oh no *shudder* which trollboy will somehow turn into some kind of a homosexual thing. its ok ur gay u dont have to explain anything to us we accept u.
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lostboy definetely deserves all the crap, with posting those spoilers.
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I talk alot of shit to people on here, but jesus, I'd never stoop as low as taking shots on a 5 year old TB'ers relative.
Well, when you're desperate and got nothing else, no game, you gotta try something. Like said, which I guess I should coin. LostboyFAIL. -
Still making no sense, but thats a standard with you. If you were someone I knew, you'd have contacted me already.
Please do, I'd love to meet. And My brother who is 6'5" 275 lbs and is the father of my nephew. I;m sure he'd love to meet you too. -
You mentioned Darth Locke as the "old testament God", and how his actions towards Richard were not that benevolent. As well as how he was disappointed in everyone else.
I didnt want to get into old testament god/new testament god issue, but something to remember is that the new testament God got pretty pissed off when folks desecrated the temple.
He went in and fucked them all up, threw their stuff out and told them how much he was disappointed in them too.
I have no definitive answers as to what each of those two mystical entities sitting an a beach shooting the shit and watching the ships go by really are... but two sides of the same coin might be a decent place to start.
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ummm cause ur a douchebag troll? thats just for starters.
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Feb 10, 2010 11:19:34 PM CST
kyleglassproject - Love your Desmond returning to the island
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Need to see old Des back soon and would be interesting if Des could travel between realities.
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um there is no such thing as correct english regardin the internet... ever see LOL before? also im typin from my ps3 and dont have time to type the G... and lastly i grew up in an urban environment where we tend to not pronounce the G and /or use correct gramar... if you really got a prob wit how i talk, then go to another site where the site owner can speak gramatically correct english and doesnt say chocolate covered pussy juice... til then suck lostboytexas balls
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I'm from the Bronx. I live here. Thats as urban as it gets. But, I also have a PS3 and if you are typing from there it's all good then. I too know the pain of going letter by letter.
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that the flash sideways are showing a reincarnated world is that from the Doc Jensen article, or is someone else also going with that one
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but untoughguyrizo is a hypocrite... are you and your brother gonna try to jump lostboy after makin fun of him for tryin to fight you... you did stoop low and that "toughguy" moniker makes sense now (meanin youre another pseudogangsta on the net... dont know what started yalls beef but lostboy is the winner ( plus the fact you said nigga... unless youre black but i highly doubt that)
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Feb 10, 2010 11:27:44 PM CST
has everyone read Doc Jensen's article - the guy can write
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I wonder how he will fill his days after Lost is over. I sometimes think that I think/obsess about Lost too much (which I probably do, the wife would agree), but wow can Jensen write, and most of the time some really good stuff as well.
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In order to get a lil' drunk and watch Fringe, and read this TB every now and then.Couple of things:One. Wasn't the Gnostics the one ones that thought of the Old Testament God as 'Evil"?AndIf (actually wondering) lostboy.... isn't from Texas or a boy, then why the handle/name?
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read your response to late but i accept your apology... i still stand by my last post that you are a pseudogangsta (even tho it seems you can admit when youre wrong so thats ok)...
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Huh. I guess I hadn't thought that through very far. Now that I have, I guess he would have to end up back on the island if there was some kind of reboot. But... uhh... the hatch was already exploded... sooo... where is he? Or WHEN is he? Man, this show makes my head hurt. He definitely disappeared from the plane, though. He was there, next to Jack. Then he wasn't. And thus far we haven't seen him off the plane in LA X time.
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read your response to late but i accept your apology... i still stand by my last post that you are a pseudogangsta (even tho it seems you can admit when youre wrong so thats ok)...
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Write what you want. Aint like you gonna do shit except type.
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The wiki page for gnosticism, here - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnostic - actually has really great info on the Gnostics. If the main page doesn't answer your questions the linked pages surely will.
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No worries. I admit when I'm wrong. But I dont take cheap shots. Youre gonna side with a dude who takes shots at a 5-year old? Come on bro.
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Holy frak-oly. Did you just lose it *snort* ..get overwhelmed by your bitty bitty self?
Welp, guess we know now..you have never ever been to Texas. Jeebus Christy, there are, lil boy, Rangers ready to take that awesome name back from you by force. Texas. You have never ever been there have you, little baby girl?
And did you just..lose it..melt down stupid.. and wow, you did.. you just attempted to web muscle Rizzo who is about a foot taller, 70 pounds man-er..er and packin more gear than your silly lil euro-y-ness can ever ever feature?
What's wrong with you baby girl? What is your major malfunction, num-nuts? Stop. Rhetorical. Don't care. Look, precious. ...
You don't like the show, you add nothing here, you expose your junk and get on all fours and invite the world to partake every time you foul up and fail ..in your efforts to spoil. No one. I mean no one likes you. Find one, anyone to stand for or with you... ya can't. You are reviled. Universally hated. Even your mommy wants you gone.. to get a job and leave the house. SO. I'm sorry palsy. Can't you express your massive failure in some other fashion in some other forum?
You can't can you....well, all right now, you are the silliest saddest stupidest sap I have ever seen.. but. and. as you are not man enough to go away. We lil child, the men of honor will watch over you, protect you.. It is the responsibility of Men to guard the weak and wanky.
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i believe lax des is normal ie no powers... we the viewers know bout his specialness but thats of reg reality... i say that cuz he didnt do anythin on the plane, no double meaning dialogue or anythin... what would be the point of just sittin next to jack? lost always give cryptic clues and he did not..."but he disapeared!"... no, what if he found a better seat... we as fans are thinkin too much of what has happened in reg reality... like sawyer could be a salesman who never became "sawyer"
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Just let it go. Because they're winning simply by the fact that you're responding. Ya know what I'm sayin'? I did laugh quite heartily at a couple of your responses, though.
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Fucker went too far. Appreciate the backup from you n Jay. Even Miy.
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Could be he just found another seat, again. But he'd already moved once. I got the impression that by Jack's actions on the plane as well as his look/act of surprise when returning to his seat that Des did "disappear" from LA X time. Not saying I'm right, that was just the impression I got. But we haven't seen what happened to everybody on the plain in LA X time yet, so you may be right.
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granted i dont have any nephs or nieces and never will, but this the net, grow thicker skin... now if this was the streets or farms, then by all means do what you want.... but like i said lostboy is winning cuz he now know what button to press... and your ammo is not workin on them... sorry BRO but its true (plus dont show pics of kids around here esp wit the hitgirl haters aka the true pedos)
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Jeez i don't get that.. How fuckin small and all do ya have to be to have multi logins to use re-inforcing, in LosVagyTex's case, re-inforcing your fail. Why do kids do that? I mean thats was a neat trick maybe 17. 18 years ago when AOL and the world was new and all. But today. What kind of massively moronic failure does that require?
I don't know man. Maybe we should ask him. Yeah. you are right. what's the point. It would just be more bullshit anyway.
You know, actually, honestly.. No one, of course can believe a goddamn word that comes out of LosVagyTex's hole.. but it is strangely, like a two headed newt, pitiful and entertaining. Welp. Guess she has fled the field. As cowards do do. later beeetches. -
i agree but this is lost meanin the most obvious answer is wrong... i mean ill call that a mindfuck rather than what he did do on the plane... i just want SOMETHIN of crazyfuckery to happen in lax rather than all this crap from last ep... basically i dont care bout lax (unless if the 1st ep was the FINAL part of the series)
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...not to praise MacFuckstick, but to bury him. Six feet under. Maybe seven. Nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to make sure.
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I'm starting to wonder more and more if throughout this season they may just move through LA X time and end with everybody in that "time" as they are (or as they will be by seasons end). Meaning, completely unawares of everything that happened in Island time. I'm still holding to the idea of the sunken island being foreshadowing of what happens in Island time. So in theory, if everyone on the island died, that would leave LA X time as the ending of the show... without ever answering any of the questions... lol! and ugh!
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Short, long..you will still be a pussy. a cowardly scaredy lil pussy. So what difference my effort. There ain't one true fella or felicia a board here that couldn't think you down, beat you down. metaphorically of course, ya homophobic racist lil puss.
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...it may be obvious that I didn't read this entire talkback. So apologies if all this has been repeatedly discussed. There's just too much silliness in Lost talkbacks lately. When/if I can get involved in a real, intelligent conversation, great. Otherwise, I'm just going to pretend I've got my own secret special ignore button.
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I am just gonna sit back, nope, go let out the dogs ..wait for you to clown yourself again, Sheila.
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...it's called Lost. I really like it.
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Don't play with your own secret special button too much. You'll never leave the house. : )
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The understanding of that Wiki was what I was kinda going for.I'm not Knostic(sp :)), but my overall feelings of what is a 'benevolent' god is kinda close.
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You REALLY like to accuse people of having multiple logins. It's a dead giveaway to your own tactics. You have dogs? Man that's going to be a bitch when you finally stroke out and are stuck on the floor in front of your computer for a few days. Even man's best friend gotta eat. Eventually.Ciao, MacPoodles.
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Good advice. But at least it will be in private. Where only I will know about such things.
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..checked the page. There's a lot of good info there. Definitely good to know where they fit in the general evolution of man's belief in a higher power and organized religious constructs.
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that is a unique perception. and how much of a Lost "discussion" has he really brought to this talkback??
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..they just stepped out of a fucking salon. What a pile of fucking crap.
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That was a hug. I'm hugging you. ((((((( jay2517 )))))) You clearly need some love. However, I have no idea what you're talking about. In fact, I said no such thing. But you want to fight so badly that you just make shit up in hopes that people will comment back in anger. I won't. I'm just going to hug you. ((((((( jay2517 ))))))
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I can't really argue any of you points too much as one of my biggest complaints in the first seasons was that so many of the men were cleanly shaven on a regular basis. They got better about that, though. And they had a washing machine in the hatch all of a sudden so clean clothes made sense. And Hurly doesn't loose weight because there's actually a lot of food around. Food drops. Food from trees. Food from fishing. Food from hunting. If you watch the entire series there really isn't any shortage of food. However, the salon worthy hair cuts (both sexes) and makeup on the women will never be explainable.
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the big money is the true identities of tbers... ill admit, im someone famous who got a lil peeved at a recruiter... jett is obviously a fluffer for gay fat senior citizens... and i really think that was corey feldman when mj died
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He posted the spoiler just like he always posts spoilers. And then lies about ever posting them. I admit that the Daniel Faraday one he posted and I got angry when he lied about it being him that posted it thus acknowleding that it was true, but he was the first one. And just to set the record strait Rizzo and Jay are not Trolls. Texas likes to troll the net trying to dig up stuff on everyone here like pictures of 5 years olds and my Star Wars collection. Seems kind of creepy to me. Rizzo never posted pictures here, Texas went searching. Like I said gives me the creeps.
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It is my understanding that there are two universes, one where jughead detonated and destroyed the island and 815 never crashes. The other reality is present time (3 years after 815 crash) with the losties, but what happened to Aaron and Ji Yeon? Won't there be two Aaron's, one 3 years older than the other?
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what kind of rational discussion does he bring to these talkbacks hmmm?
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If he were someone I knew fucking with me I'd know. My friends dont post on AICN at all.
Yeah, I did have my facebook public at one time, but who knows, this dude wants to go digging. Ok, he can be all into me.
Never in his life will he make anything he does public. Pictures or whatever. he's more than a troll. he's the ultimate TB PUSSY.
If he wanted, I'd email him my personal information abot wanting to talk face to face.
But as you guys already know, I dont post bullshit links for pics of who I am or who my friends are.
I'm pretty much fuckin real on here.
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A gift, for you. http://tinyurl.com/yzotmul (((((( jay2517 ))))))
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As for that I used to be 4we8have15to16goback48, before before mentioned insident I first had this one and then got bored with it and switched to 4we8. Then when that happened I switched back. Im not hiding, Im both of those, but mainly paburrows. And frankly I don't really care who knows that I have toys up above my desk. Texas can keep digging up stuff, frankly I don't care. Im just sick of the fact that he feels the need to try to ruin peoples day by posting spoilers or digging up dirt of people to make fun of people in order to feel better about himself. I feel sorry for you Texas.
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There arent alternate timelines. Time has split in two. Read the talkback before you post. we dont know you.
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not answering actual questions. no wonder u and lostBOY get along so well. no more feeding u brotha...
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Post whatever you want whenever you like. It doesn't make one bit of a difference who knows you (in fact it's kind of contradictory to the rant that several of you are going on right now). I'm still not really sure how the time issue is going to be explained of even plausible. I have ideas, but I'm not professing to KNOW anything for sure (*cough*). One thing I do know for sure, though, is that everything isn't equal in both "times". Because there is just no way to equate crazy gun toting Claire with anything that's happened with her character previously. I expect we'll see more such deviations throughout the season. Like, I think the idea that current "alive" Sayid isn't really Sayid is a pretty decent guess.
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I was thinking...where 4 8 we have to go back was. Even lockes broken leg, but I think he got banned.
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It's OK, let out your negativity. Feel the love. ((((( jay2517 )))))
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Or, and I should have included an even, too. Or even be plausible.
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I love all of you. You contribute so much to the intelligent Lost conversations here at AICN with you rational, insult free responses. I just want to hug you all!!!!! (((((( jay2517, ToughGuyRizzo, MacFaux )))))) You're the best!!!
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First the Who's the Hottest Hot Lost Hottie debate, then the h8ters and parrots chanting "Filler Ep" like they just drove their 'vette into a full service station, and now it turns into a dating site chat room for a half dozen young men who'd rather talk about each other than the show. How romantic.
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And in between all that there's some small bits of interest theories and pertinent information. Same as every Lost talkback I can remember. Great! Ain't it?
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InterestING. My cat grabbed my hand during that post. Damn cat claws.
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These are pretty obvious observations, but they I didn't get much new from what Kate Did on second viewing.What James took off at gunpoint and snarled "Don't come after me" I definitely got the impressing he was directing that at Kate, not at the Others. Not sure whether she 'got' that or not, though.When Kate took off after Sawyer and said "Goodbye" to Jack, I definitely thought that Jack knew she wasn't coming back - and was okay with it.And though not a Kate fan, I loved the expression on her face when Clair asked what the police wanted her for, Kate said "Would you believe me if I said I was innocent?" and Claire said "yes." Then Kate grimaced, because, no she isn't innocent and she knows it.Actually, as far as giving Kate credit for being good at the bad things she does, she also had a good moment when the Other asked how she'd get Sawyer to come back and she said "I can be very persuasive when I want to be" which was a great line considering she was lying to his face about intending to bring Sawyer back.Since this next comment has nothing to do with Lost and will elicit howls of derision from anyone only capable of enjoying one TV program per year I'll bury this remark here: This was the BEST season of Heroes ever. Better than the middle third of Season One, which was their previous high water mark. Yeah, Heroes at it's best is still Lost at it's worst, but as I've said for years, it's comparing Marvel-2-in-1 to an Asimov novel. Meaning, if the subtlety eludes you, comparing a usually below average comic book to a usually excellent sci-fi novel. That said, I've probably rad a lot more comic books than I've read novels; they're cheaper and, you know, they have colorful drawings of people in skin tight costumes.
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Actually, I was very impressed with Emilie de Ravin. Not only was she very pretty in her made up off-island LA X timeline version (and kinda hot in her taken by the darkness sniper-Claire version) but considering she's been on the show for six years and ever since the pilot, she really looks young. I mean, considering how much a lot of the folks on this show seem to have aged in five years, she really doesn't seem to have aged at all. I guess taking a year off must have agreed with her. Too bad she did get cast as Walt.(speaking of characters named Claire, having "the cheerleader" turn out to be a lesbian wasn't the best thing about this season of Heroes, but it didn't hurt.)
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you say tomatoes i say realities...
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waiting for Ginnis 311's second post ever?
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boring finale... interestin but boooooooooring... go TEAM PETLAR or TEAM SYLTER... i dunno, i havent seen any TEAM BEN/ VINCENT/ DESYID (or was it SAYMOND in a while...
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Star Trek has messed up my brain with time travel so many times that I'm not sure what I think is happening on Lost, exactly. But I also don't really expect them to clearly explain it. So to each their own on that one I say. I like the points about what Sawyer said being directed at Kate (I got that, too) and Kate telling Jack goodbye. I didn't see that the same way until I read what you just wrote. I just thought that Jack was being disappointed by missed opportunities (hunched shoulders, sad face). But now that I think about it I think you're probably right. Because the characters on this show keep doing the same damn things over and over, so Jack should have a clear idea of what she's going to do. That was a great Kate grimace, too (knowing she was very guilty).
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...were making me chuckle, though. I gave up on that show several times and finally REALLY gave up on it half way through last season. Doesn't matter how good it is now, they lost me forever with their repeated Marvel 2-in-1 episodes.
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Kick Ass was their alternate name.
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...the site does hang a bit when posting sometimes. Particularly, I'd wager, on a newly posted Lost column. But they were attacked so harshly that they'll probably never read this and they'll hit "Post talkback" 37 times on their second post, too. lol
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Lost is that kind of show, that you do want to be a part of it, the theories, the discussions etc.
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I'm a bit late on commenting on this (sorta, I've said this on other TB's), but from what I (barely) understand about physics (in theory) is that alt' time is nearly immprobbable(babble sp?), but different dimensions (think J.J.'s Star Trek) is more possible...So, we might actualy be seeing two different 'timeline's trying to be the prime one.But, then again this is LOST...
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was the arrival of ginnis and recruiter, remember this monumental week!
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Nobody with any taste is saying that this episode was crap.
However it was a bit slow compared to last week’s episode. I liked the change of pace and I suppose if they have to move people “around the board” for an episode then it made logical sense to have some grieving time for James before he hooks up with the Unlocke gang. I think we can all agree the alt-of island stuff was handled a bit shit though. Whether the rest of the on-island time was worth it remains to be seen.like why didn’t Lennon and Dogen (whatever his name is) just kill Sayid on the torture table after he failed his test? Surely they can ram a little pill down his throat, or shoot him/stab him whatever. What’s that you say? They cant kill him themselves due to some new “rules” we haven’t heard of yet? Well isn’t tricking a doctor friend to administer the poison pill the same thing? If it isn’t the same thing then it’s a pretty handy “loophole” they have there. Or maybe they are just mad like the Cylons forcing Baltar to sign death warrants at gunpoint in BSG. It seems to me that that whole point was to force some banter between Jack and Dogen to explain 3 things, 1: that Sayid was “infected”,2: that at some point Claire became “infected” and 3:the real reason Dogen will only speak Japanese in public. The pill plot thing seems kind of stupid, even though the Jack swallowing it to prove a point was kind of cool, if they don’t explain why the others didn’t just kill Sayid themselves the whole point to the pill plot is moot. And the writers have filled an episode with at LEAST 20/25 precious minutes of filler. Now there are only 15 episodes left.sigh
So just to recap
Sawyer running off to grieve some more, Jin tagging along with Kate to find Sawyer but really to find wife and rifle toting Clare: 10 min Good
Off island stuff, had a logical point in terms of alt reality story but was executed very badly: 15 min Mehh (I would say shit but the Dr “Goodspeed” reveal was interesting)
Torture, pill plot: 15min okay (but the jury’s still out to the logical reason to it all).
Over all id give it a 3.5 (of 5) If the pill plot is not explained better and just goes away” in next few episodes then id give it a flat 2.
A 2 in Lost is still better than most TV.
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he really is a pointless character and i doubt he is on that new jacob's list. He really hasn't done anything or had a purpose. Hurley can talk to AND see dead people, so they might as well kill miles off.
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the shit head writers still don't know the difference between lack of information and mystery. NO ONE CARES about all this new shit they keep introducing. Yeah, they need a season arc, but they've been fucking lame since season 2.
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Do you organize the Lost NYC Meetup on Meetup.com?
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or to make a point.Everyone says "the Losties never ask questions, the Others never answer questions, or they evade questions and then the Losties don't ask the right followup questions." We've been hearing that gripe for five years now. I think a big chunk of this episode was intended to directly address those complaints.What's that? It's a baseball. What's in the pill? I can't tell you. What's in the pill? It's medicine. What's in the pill? A cure for darkness infection. What's in the pill? You don't want to know. What's in the pill? Just give Sayid the f***ing pill already, will ya? What's in the pill? La lalalala... (fingers in ears) What's in the pill? Stop it. What's in the pill? Just trust me, it's a very nice pill. Okay (swallows pill) (gets a pretty brutal heimlich.) What are you, crazy? What's in the pill? It's poison, okay, the pilkl is poison, we were trying to kill yourfriend before the darkness spreads but we can't do it ourselves so we needed you to give him the pill, it;s flippin poison, alright, DO NOT ask what the pill is again, it's POISON! Oh. Okay, What's this? That's tea.So Why can't they break the rules and kill Sayid themselves instead of finding a loophole that says they can get someone else to do it for them? Well, kinda the same reason that Nemesis/UnLocke/Smokey can't kill Jacob but he can get Ben to do it for him. (It still strikes me as odd that NonLocke can't kill Jacob but he can kick him into a fire to burn up while he's still in the act of dying. I mean, exactly how is throwing someone into a fire different from killing them?)
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Yeah , its like the writers said Harrowitz:"and then Jack swallows the pill and the japanise guy gets him to shoke it up and reveals that the pill was actually POISON!!"kitsis:"great idea that twist will distract viewers that the entire episode is mostly all filler"Harrowitz:"heres to working on cocane!"
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Every time someone asks Miles to talk to the dead and he says "It doesn't work that way", the thing that confuses me is, is it a shoutout to Ghost Whisperer or Medium? (that line is a regularly appearing catch phrase on both shows.)
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I just hate lazy writers.
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1. Hi, I'm Ginnis and this is my first post - oops.2, Lost babes are hot in a way that makes young male fans with to engage in carnal relations with them or make crude comments pertaining to their appearance.3. Not everyone loves Kate4. Interesting comments about lost.5. This may not have been one of the series better episodes, especially coming after a two hour episode that had a major revelation about the smoke monster, which was generally the number one questions on everyone's list for at least four and a half years.6. Interesting theories about Lost.7. You're a troll, no you are, I cast aspersions on your sexual orientation, no, you are. I am strong. I mock you, ha ha.8. The occasional witty remark concerning Lost.9. Various other stuff.In short, I declare that this talkback was MOSTLY FILLER.
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do you work on the show?
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Would it not have made sense to have Claire acting a bit strangely, interacting with Kate or whoever after being missing for so long, BEFORE the reveal from Dogen that she's been infected/claimed? That would be a better cliffhanger to me. They could have cut between the Sayid/Jack scenes and Locke closing in on Sawyer, making us wonder what the deal is with Sayid and full of fear for Sawyer, and then neatly end the episode with us realising that maybe it's Kate who is in immediate danger, from Claire. And then use the scenes in Los Angeles to contrast how much these years in the jungle have changed Claire, and whatever the heck point they were making about Kate. That way, they could have done all this moving the chess pieces, but they would have had, you know, like a story, for the purposes of this episode. And by the way, the episode was called What Kate Does. What does Kate do? Anyone know? Was this some kind of perverse metaphysical joke they played on us? Someone chalk it up on the big blackboard of mysteries. What does Kate do? Cause she ain't done did it yet.
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Dogen and Lennon were testing Sayid to see if he was a smoke monster. What do smoke monsters hate? Ash and electric fences. What do people hate? Electrical acupuncture needles and being branded with hot metal. What bothered Sayid? Electrical shocks and being burned with hot metal, having ashes scattered on him, not so much.In a way I find this confusing. They said, in their roundabout way, that saying he passed the test was a lie. But it seems like by not being bothered by the ash (which would bother a Smokey) but being hurt by hot metal (which might not bother a smokey - although if Jacob is/was a smokey, well, you can burn them up) hurt him, it seems the tests or "diagnosis" did prove he was human and not a smokey.Going all the way back to those discarded season one "it's purgatory" theories, it seemed odd that after knowing him for over 108 days and jumping out of a chopper for him (and the other O6ers), Sawyer still dismisses Sayid as "An Iraqi torturer who kills kids". A line that apparently was included to remind us of Sayid's background so seeing him tortured would feel like some sort of cosmic retribution.
s like saying that executioners are unkillable. Besides, bullies and thugs are usually weasels and sissies at heart, who can dish it out but not take it. Ask anyone you find lurking under a bridge.
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Are you kidding, half the time I don't even understand the show until I say something stupid in a talkback and someone explains what I got wrong.
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Obviously the Claire adoption story was something they needed to address. But not much happened, after the excitement of whether Kate could get out of her handcuffs. (She could!) You know the scenes in Mulholland Dr where the two girls are kind of playing detective and find that house with the dead body and its one of them and the plot fractures and the characters are two different people in some weird Möbius strip? They should totally have played homage to that. Keep that creepy Hitchcock suspense feeling. The parents never came to the airport? Well why not? Where are they? They go to the house. No one's in. Get the score going and use the camera to make it feel like something's not right. Have Kate be Kate and insist on breaking into the house - play up whether she's helping Claire or just looking to rob the joint. Have them snoop around inside. Drop hints the missing parents might be somebody we know. But don't answer any of that. Have Claire suddenly go into labour in the middle of this house they've broken into. This way, even though nothing really happens, you don't base half the episode on Claire and Kate taking taxi rides from the airport to a garage to a house to the hospital. Have Ethan show up at the house. Didn't he get there rather quick in response to the 911 call? We don't know. Bingo. A story. Suspense. Mystery.
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The baseball was cool. What's that? It's a baseball. Snicker. Definitely a piss take. Would be cool if the baseball has some other meaning though. Some character point about Dogen. Even cooler would be if the baseball is a reference to Underworld by Don DeLillo. The narrative structure of that book is interesting, and uses a famous baseball to illustrate how collective memories and yearnings for the future and the past can never quite intersect, moving forwards and backwards in different directions even though they constitute history. Reality and truth are bigger than a single consciousness can experience and know. There's a point at which memory breaks down and the past is hidden from us, just as the future can't be seen, but does happen.
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What does Kate do?Cheats, lies, steals, points a gun at a pregnant girl, abandons her by the side of the road and steals her luggage, then returns it since there's nothing in it she can use. Leaves Jack and the rest of the Others, tells Sawyer she's looking for Claire but gets all weepy when he tells her to go back to the temple, asks Claire "would you believe I'm innocent" even though she knows she's a killer, drops a ton of rocks on the guy that was halfway cooperative, accepts and presumably plans to use the credit card of the girl she taxi-jacked, carjacks and drives around like an idiot in a stolen cab, charms a garage mechanic into center-punching her handcuffs off by telling him that she's a murderer and showing him her gun, carries a gun in both time lines, convincingly lies right to the face of people holding guns her prisoner, (counting the "previously on) escapes custody of a US Marshal in a violent manner. Those are the things Kate does, and mostly in just this one episode.Things Kate can't do: assume the form of a waterfall, open handcuffs with Jack's stolen pen, think more than two steps ahead, get it together, be happy, decide between Jack and James.
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But why did she do it? What does Kate do?
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Also, if they'd actually broken into an empty house in Los Angeles with hints of a broken down marriage, that's a nice counterpoint to Sawyer in a house on the island, mourning the loss of his life there with Juliet. All this stuff is there, they just didn't tease it out well enough.
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The stuff in the jungle with the two Others bickering about information and hidden rock traps? Total filler. Have Kate leave with Sawyer after their conversation in the temple. Jin follows them hoping to find Sun. They argue in the jungle and go their separate ways - possibly after being fired upon, later revealed to be Claire. Do it quickly. Make it seem like Sawyer is in jeopardy because his grief for Juliet is causing him to be reckless and isolated. Locke is watching him. Idiotic conversations in the jungle involving characters we don't care about who will be dead in five minutes? Filler. Character growth revealed in action involving Kate, Sawyer and Jin? Would have been the way to go.
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More rumble in the jungle for me. Being Kate-centric i feared the worst so i think low expectations helped. Still not completely sure "why" i enjoyed it so much tho, maybe cus it wasnt entirely just Kate.
To the people who are saying its filler, there post enviably also includes "final season" or "14/15 hours left", etc, so are obviously worried its going to be rushed. Just relax, if LOTR can be told in 9ish hours im sure the lost writers can tie what they need/want to in 14/15.
also dont get the comments on Sawyer taking his time getting over Juliet when Claire took hours to get over Charlie. Ok that was fairly quick, but Claire knew Charlie for what 60/70 days, Sawyer lived with Juliet for 3 years in dharmaville.
enjoyed it overall, especially the wrap around with the infection linking back to rouseaus people when they got infected entering the temple, and now Claire being infected aswell.
one thing that does puzzle me tho, is if Dogen knew the water being murky was a bad thing then why cut himself and risk being infected himself, and surely he knew sayid would get infected in it. are dogen and the temple others immune? -
I think the test were to see if Sayid would die or pass out from a massive electrical shock, that’s if the electrical current was strong enough to kill or knock out a regular man and to see if he would pass out with the pain of a hot poker pushed against his skin. It happens! True story, an uncle of mine was in a deck chair and he was stupidly feeling around the seat adjust mechanism with his hands behind his back while he was still sitting in the chair and the chair collapses! His fingers are all trapped between the wood and his own weight also trapping his arms behind his back so he couldn’t get up. The pain was so intense he passed out only to wake up again in pain and pass out again and again! , This kept happening until by aunt found him and helped him out. Another time he was severely stung by a jellyfish in some backward country and the doctors were considering amputating his foot. But that’s beyond my point now! (He’s okay now and has all his limbs)
Anyway if Sayid was normal then he shudda been knocked out by the electricity of pain stick. But he didn’t.
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...really, almost the entire show has been filler. Start with the crash. That was good. Locke stands up (we don't need all that filler about him having been crippled) and the smoke monster shoots inside him, Evil Dead style (gets rid of all the filler of Locke's entire story). Have Miles (introduce him on the plane; reduce filler) point at non-John and shout "I talked to a dead scientist! That guy's not one of us and there's a big boom-boom on the island we can use to blow him up!" Hurley (recast with Steve Buscemi to further reduce filler) says "I know some freaky numbers. Maybe they're the code!". He recites them, the bomb goes off, everyone wakes up in a crater. Locke is still standing, tells everyone he's disappointed with them, and everyone screams as the island goes down a bathtub drain. The camera pans up to reveal Rose, naked, holding the plug. Oh, and have the whole thing performed by rabbit cartoons. Filler. Shit.
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It's a metaphysical "morning after" pill... Heh, heh. Yah, the bollocks about Jack having to convince Sayid into taking it, seriously, what rube golberg machinations is going on here? I still wonder about Ben & Widmore's "rules" of engagement and how they were somewhat similar in theme to MIB & Jacob. And as it's been pointed out, Jacob and his "supposed" followers have done some morally funky stuff, ie, distracting Sayid while his honey gets squished. The only out I can see to that, is that Jacob has/had abilities to change things somewhat like Desmond, but only so much. *shrug*
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the Back To The Future 2 ref: "hey im walking here, im walking here"
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I don't know why it is that only after talkback permanence is established for a post is when my tired eyes see all the grammar flubs. Same. Who said Claire was full of filling? ;-)
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What details did I miss or not fully absorb? Go on. Tell me. And calm down, boyo. Stop projecting. Deep breaths. You can do it.
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Oh man, at least give me the link to time travel from BttF2. Smart arse ;)
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We all laughed, but I totally forgot about it until you mentioned it! Its also a Midnight Cowboy reference, and in fact Back to the Future was paying homage to that film when they had Marty do it. In Midnight Cowboy, Dustin Hoffman as Ratso Rizzo does the same thing.
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Andy and Sasha? Holy cow nip! I would pay good money to see that heavenly wrastlin match.
"110 kebble make a lithnitch. 270 lithnich make a matta. ..and..what's a matta with you?"
That is it idn't. The Smoke monster is Andrew Geoffrey Kaufman. Some where. on the Island. Lookin for a femme to wrestle.
And.. then.. 'Reverend Jim' Ignatowski...
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I agree on one thing. If the episode was full of filler, why wasn't it more filling? Oooh. A paradox. Tasty. Look, here's the crux. Can we agree, Kate is like a ring donut, and some times, well, that sugar coating, it isn't enough. You just want to take a nice juicy bite of that good red jam. Yum yum. Look, tell you what I'll do. Especially for you. I'll watch the episode twice! Regurgitate it... Cogitate it... Whadyamacallit? Then I'll see how hungry I am. Ain't that a real belly scratcher! LA X was so damn scrumptious, I ate it four times. Now call me a pig in mud, but I'm no glutton. That one was hot to trot with no filler at all. Kate on the other hand... One skimpy portion fills her up all right, leaves me waiting for a Substitute. What does it mean? Well, I can't digest that.
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Feb 11, 2010 10:15:12 AM CST
would this not RAWK for the next DESMOND episode?
by thekylegassproject
the episode opens back into the conversation between desmond and jack on flight 815. except when jack goes to help charlie, we stay with desmond.
desmond goes into another lavatory. he stares at himself in the mirror, then washes his face. when he goes to look back in the mirror, he finds himself staring into a jungle. he looks around and suddenly he is on the island, completely perplexed.
he has never been there before, having been from the alt timeline. but he comes to learn from jacob (or someone) that the world is in danger because time has fragmented and he (desmond) must put it all back together.
jacob also shows him that he can travel between two dimensions and gives him preliminary instructions.
so. des will have to get to know the lostie folks in the alt timeline and get them to do whatever it takes to reunite the timelines.
the episode ends with him showing up at jacks - the first person he contacts - and saying, "we have to fix it, jack."
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I dont think you can call filler on a just aired episode personally. Only when the season or entire show has ended can you say "yeah, what was the point of THAT exactly".
in the same way you cant exactly defend supposedly filler episodes until the whole story is aired either, theres only so many times you can say "therell be a pay off in future episodes" and have people buy it.
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And maybe you'd enjoy the show more if you stopped having a complex about whether other people enjoy it as much as you do. Look, Lost is conceptually strong but occasionally the writing isn't where it could be. Compared to say, The Sopranos, or The Wire. And they can't do dialogue like Freaks and Geeks or Veronica Mars either. The show runners can talk all they want about this being an ensemble character drama, but that doesn't mean that's where their strength lies, comparatively speaking. But next to Heroes, or Battlestar Galactica, or 24, or Prison Break, yes, it's a masterpiece. There have been other genre shows with flashes of brilliance - Carnivale, Twin Peaks - which failed to sustain themselves for anything like as long as Lost successfully has. In answer to your comment upthread, after LA X I'm fully expecting this to be a legit contender for the best single season of a TV show ever. But the episode this week was a slight falter. IMHO. I'm sure we're in safe hands though with the storylines it sets up. If you can't see that Kitsis and Horowitz aren't particularly great TV writers, shame on you.
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I think Sawyer was saying those things about Sayid because he was pouting. Why can they bring Sayid back to life, but nobody brought Juliette back to life. She was the love of his life and in his eyes a near perfect person, but she's rotting in the ground and he's destined to be alone. But sure, Sayid gets to live. That's fair. Sawyer was just pointing out Sayid's biggest flaws to show how unfair it was. That's how I took it anyway.
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Smokey... A) Goes over the line B)Enters a world of pain C) Is a conscientious objector D) Has emotional problems E) Will be submitting this to the league F) Marks it zero Jacob... A) Sees what happens B) Is obviously not a golfer C) Thinks the Chinaman is not the issue D) Pees on the dude's rug E) Is not dealing with morons here
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It's always bothered me that the whole reason Charlie died was because Desmond said that he saw a flash of Claire and Aaron getting off the island. But Claire never gets off the island. What if Desmond saw into the alt timeline and saw Claire and Aaron being in LA?
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In Egyptian mythology even gods can be trapped in the underworld. I always thought that Jacob/the Others were interested in the babies because they were innocents and would not have to be judged.
Jacob could potentially use the baby to escape his own imprisonment in the underworld. I think Jacob and MIB are trapped and bored but don't want the other one to leave.
The infection may be the belief that Sayid is infected by the MIB, or the pill actually is just going to help Jacob live again through Sayid, at least on the island. I mean why would the Others tell the truth now?
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I really want to see Charlie at the Hospital getting checked out for the drug OD, and have Ethan be his doctor.
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I think we can all agree it's one of THE great shows, and this final stretch is going to be a blast. The nitpicks are part of the entertainment, to be honest. They're easy and fast and fall away in marvel not a moment later. Half the fun of Lost has been speculating and now the giddy ride is nearly over we'll get a rush of answers. I was a loud mouth about the glaring flaws from the back stretch of season one through to early season three, but since then I recognise it's been golden. A lot of the people I used to clash with on other boards, it turned out they were dead wrong about the direction the show needed to take. Moaning about the flashbacks in 2005, I speculated they could interlink to tell a parallel story, or switch to flash forwards, and that way seem less redundant and instead feed into the island mythos, becoming a structural advantage rather than the albatross they were quickly becoming. Happy to have been right about that. Of course, the tricks Damon and Carlton pulled from their sleeves were far more than anyone could expect. That's what gives me faith that they can execute this very well. I suppose it is a bit grumpy to quibble minor episodic details. Remember the horrors of the fourth or fifth or sixth or seventh Jack or Kate or Jack or Kate flashback? Ha ha ha ha. It's all good bro.
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they always negate any progress a character makes. The whole concept of starting over, redemption etc was great until they started back tracking. "Everyone deserves a 2nd chance." Not a 3rd or 4th or 5th or a stupid fucking sideways alternate time bs.
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as far as I know, my reincarnation idea was unique and mine alone, to my knowledge (its a big world!), and I do read Doc Jensen, but I honestly don't remember him taking up the reincarnation angle before I came up with my theory. If he's done that, then kudos.
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You're referring to Jack a few seasons ago? Idiot. Percocets are not anxiety pills, they're pain pills.
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..."it was slow? Compared to what? Koyaanisqatsi?"
See. right there. That is how the best-est Magic happens. With out intent. That line.. is a whole movie waitin to happen. I feature a couple in the city, in conflict, probably at 23rd and Madison... or right in front of Obecní dům. It is Snowing. And then a dog runs by...
And Phillip Glass will compose the soundtrack...uh, er again. Maybe farm the work out to Dusty Trails..who knows, man.
That line is all kinds of awesome. just sayin.
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I'm a co-organizer of it. It's not as much work as out organizer does, but we still do alot of other things.
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As i said before, its from her storyline when she was a child burying a lunchbox as a time capsule.
And its also referencing a baseball that another stoic leader held on his desk. Sisko on Deep Space Nine.
He used it to explain linear time to people who were experiencing time all at once. And that is a HUGE giveaway as to whats happening on and off the island.
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No. The 'other' one. Homer Simpson... and doughnuts. and slobber. 'doughnuts' mmmmm.
Me...'Percocets' mmmmm. Cept. I'm not chewin them up to get the hit.. just a bit of relief from this slavic metal in my back. ya know.
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its been established that the temple people follow, or are influenced, by Jacob. Jacob is a free-will/choice and Mib seems to be a forceful/pessimistic kinda guy. so thats why they said that he had "to want" to take it for the pill to work. they, like Jacob, believe in free-will/choice. not bad for a "filler/nothing happened" episode. jeez people...
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1) In the credits, Henry Ian Cusick is there, despite supposedly not being a series regular this year, and not appearing in this episode. HOWEVER the cast are always credited in alphabetical order, yet for some reason, his name appears after Emilie deRavin. C before D except after E? Nah, that's not it. So did someone fuck up, or is this a sly nod that Desmond isn't where he's supposed to be? (He was listed in the "correct" place last week, for what it's worth.) 2) When Jack and Kate make their deal to each "take care" of Sayid and Sawyer respectively, I thought HMMMM. To "take care" can mean different things. It's not just a throwaway term for saying goodbye. Sure, it can mean to look after people. Sayid and Sawyer sure seem like they need looking after. But there can be a more menacing undertone to "take care". Yeah, I'll take care of him. I'll kill him. And I thought, wouldn't that be a marvellously subtle piece of foreshadowing. Sayid has been claimed/infected and Sawyer may be about to team up with Locke. Before long, it might be necessary to take care of them. Are Jack and Kate going to take care of Sayid and Sawyer? I doubt it, but it would give that scene a heck of a punch on the DVD. 3)I hate fake outs, where the production of a scene pretends there's jeopardy that's not really there. So the scene in the hospital room felt like it was from the Simpsons only without comedy voices. But it got me to thinking, Aaron moves around a lot does he? And he's going to be a handful? I really do think Aaron is Jacob. And if not, surely he has to be someone we've already seen all grown up. How else to make sense of him. I thought also of the stuff with Faraday and his mother on the island. Perhaps a variation of this with Claire? Or, a pity Walt, Ji Yeon and Aaron never turned up, all grown up, experiencing time flashes... 4) So Jin might be one of "them", or he might not be. Maybe they're not so sure what's what at the temple. Jacob's lists may be open to interpretation? 5) Presumably the duo of Miles and Hurley will need to get split up, so each faction has a ghost whisperer. Either that, or it would be cool if they meet a character together who totally unsuspecting to us, later turns out to be dead. By having all three present they could slip it under the radar. 6) Random thought. Remember that episode from yonks ago when Juliet was seeing a psychiatrist? Harper, I think. She seemed to be able to mysteriously teleport into thin air in the jungle. There were vague promises she was a recurring character of significance. What the fuck was that about? 7) If you want to see a slow film, check out 24 Hour Psycho, or Five Year Drive By :-)
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I am the Organizer of the Chicago Lost Meetup on meetup.com.
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SMOKING IS BAD FOR YOU.
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very cool bro! It's great getting people together for the shows. We do bbc's off season and we pretty much network into other sci-fi/horror and even ABC promotional events.
Right now we're in the progress of looking for a bigger venue for the finale.
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Greetings. Long time lurker, first time poster. I haven't gone back and watched, but didn't The Others refer to the 815 survivor's (Jack, Kate, etc.) by different names than their real names before they kidnapped them? I seem to remember them calling them by some very strange sounding names. If I'm remembering correctly, wouldn't this lend creedence to Billboe's theory that they have been there before? Maybe a long time before?
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Snitman: Good call on Ford "pouting" and badmouthng Sayid out of bitterness. Might he possibly have also been thinking (as many of us here were) "Hey wait, if they have a magick pool that can bring the dead back to life, maybe I jumped the gun a little on getting Juliet buried!"Kyle: I liked your Desmond episode fan fiction. (though you realize if that turns out to be a spoiler some TuffGuy will track you down and beat you up over the interewebs.)Also, rosaparks, I told you what Kate Does. if you don't like why she does or understand why she does it, then your question isn't to just keep repeating "Lol wut do Kate do?", it's "Why doesn't Kate do something else?" or "Why doesn't Kate do something I might think is more interesting than what she does on the show." Just keep your Kate late night phone sex fantasies to yourself, okay? The Lost fans are trying to discuss the things Kate does on the television program Lost, not in your fan fiction.
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...nor would I. I would call it avoidance, anti-progress, treading water and about 100 other things. Again, this is my personal feeling. To me this episode felt like a waste. For me, knowing how little time is left for this show this episode didn't accomplish anything. For me, this episode felt very much like the characters on Lost running or standing around doing what the characters on Lost have always done, which is go in circles. To me, the introduction of more new characters and mysteries has been disappointing. For me, personally, having watched the entire series several times, I think they could easily have filled this entire season with one mind-blowing revelation after another. However, for me, this episode, like several from each season of Lost (and a lot of seasons 2 and 3 in general), was very disappointing. When Lost is great my pulse rate rises. When Lost is great I find myself holding my breath. When Lost is great I regularly say "What!?" out loud as they go to commercial break or the show ends. This ep did none of that for me. I don't need to debate it, because that's how I FEEL about it. That's the impression it made ON ME. At the end of the season maybe this episode will have more meaning. There is no argument for that. But beyond that point there is a huge difference between arguing overall Lost theories vs viewers personal opinions, feeling or reactions to a particular episode. I have no problem with the fact that some of you seem to think this episode was great, or important, or whatever. For me, as I said in my very first post in this talkback, it was everything I've disliked about Lost over the course of the series. All that was missing was a random unexplained death or appearance of the smoke monster. But hey! They can't fool us with that one anymore, so I guess they've got to fill the 44 minutes with something.
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I agree with VikkiM, I thought it was pretty clear. She lies. She's a criminal. She's part of a broken love triangle (or square, as it were). Made sense enough to me. It just didn't move the series forward in any way other than showing what happened in LA X time. But that does nothing to explain anything what's ever happened, or is happening, on the island.
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Yep it was a bit fillerish
But I liked the synchronicity of Kate looking to reunite Claire and Aaron in one timeline and achieving exactly that in another.
Claires panic attack in this timeline wasn't hugely out of synch with the panic attack she had just after the plane crashed in the pilot - have to watch for more of those moments.
Yep the Others are still maddeningly evasive but you know they and the writers can't get away with that for much longer and so things are starting to come out.
One thing on Sayids infection - if Ben, a few of the nuttier Others, Claire and now Sayid are infected - don't you think it would be a good idea to stop dunking them in the fekking water
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I've always thought that theory held water in one form or another. I'm not sure exactly how it's going to play out, which characters may end up being the "Gods", or how it relates to them being on the island. It seems that the island itself has power. So maybe the people who have come to the island over time have used said power to become God-like. And by that I mean maybe they aren't "Gods" at all. Maybe they're all con-men who've gained their power through the island and have used it to get over on the populace at large through time. It would make some kind of sense with the Mayan, Egyptian and (supposedly) Christian themes all taking place on such a small space (geographically).
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What DOES Kate do?
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So if I try to take my hatred of Kate out of the equation and try to look at it from the creators perspective (as I assume that they like Kate for some reason), then what was it that they want us to think that she did? I think they want us to see that in this LA X timeline, Kate puts someone else before her own safety. I don't think in the flashbacks, Kate would ever do that, as she only cared about herself. But in the new timeline, she goes back to the scene of the crime (which every criminal knows not to do) and not only befriends Claire, but doesn't run at the first sign of cops, but takes her into the hospital and waits with her. I think that's What Kate Does. Or at least what we are to take from it.
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In the first Kate flashback we're introduced to the character of the Australian Outback Farmer, whose motivation appears to be to make Kate look sympathetic, by being nice to her then betraying her, and conveniently being in harms way so she can save him and thus get captured. So I'm not sure we saw much new in terms of Kate's moral compass. She's pretty heroic from day one on the island so I think we've always been intended to like the Enigmatic Hot Criminal.
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what the heck Kate does. ;)
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Check out the "Prior to the Crash" section on the Kate Austen Wiki. http://tinyurl.com/yacvlfv What Kate does is lie, cheat, steal and kill in all timelines. It may be that the producers/writers of the show were trying to show us some "light" inside of Kate, but I'm not really seeing it. More than anything what I got out of it is that she is as she always was WITH some added disappointment. Sure, she helped Claire, but that's after stealing her belongings because she needed some clothes! She had a crisis of conscience over some baby stuff? Seems like pretty weak sauce, but it's one of those things I'm willing to wait and see where it leads by seasons end. But other than that, on the island, her behavior was no different than usual. Only in the end she didn't get what she wanted, which was ANYTHING (kind words, consoling, acceptance) from Sawyer. Anyway, no matter how I look at it all I can get from the episode is a literal interpretation of the title. That IS what Kate does. Like a number of the Flight 815 cast members, she's just not really a good person.
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She's always pretty much done what's best for Kate unless it involved following one of her man-toys.
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Sawyer loved Juliette and not me? I'll cry and cry and cry. Is it wrong that I took a little bit of pleasure in seeing her like that?
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You know, try as I might, I can't think of a better way of killing six million Jews than Adolf Hitler came up with in the 1940s. So I guess that means I can't criticise him for doing it. Right? He has his own IMDB page, you know http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0386944/
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That's what Kate does. Like every other character on the show I have gone from loving her to hating her and back again. One of the great things about the show is that it always keeps us guessing. We get so invested in a character and then they will pull some shit and piss us off. Then they win us back. A sign of great writing.
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What? ... I mean really, what? What's your point with that nonsense? We're having (for once) some intelligent Lost discussions. What does you little Hitler outburst have to do with anything? Silliness.
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You might have a point there, Run. I know that Ben Linus always makes me hate him and then within an episode I trust him again. And then he does something evil and I hate him again. I never really got that from Kate that much before, but I did get a little of it in this episode, when Jack and Kate said goodbye. I have gone from hating Jack to liking him and he finally seems to be stepping up to the plate for me to be the hero, and I thought that there might be a moment when he and Kate could forget everything bad that has happened, and in that instant, I liked Kate for the first time. Then she ran off to leave her friends at the temple and I hated her again.
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...that's what Kate does.
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They toy with our emotions!
The first couple of seasons, the flashbacks helped character development and deepen the viewer's interest and emotional investment.
Then, just like real people, the characters make mistakes or follow their imperfect motivations, and blam -- they cause us to turn away. This is the kind of writing that got me hooked, and to a large degree I think they have kept it going, although in order to fill in the big picture, there have been times where they have had to step back from that. As it stands now, I have no one that I can safely root for, and that is very cool. It's hard to sit back and let it unfold, but that is also part of the enjoyment. It will be sad and satisfying when it's all over.
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Now what the hell do we talk about until Tuesday? Hurley's sideburns?
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to TB on Escape From New York. Over there, the thought is Halloway would make a great Snake Pliskin. I like him or Viggo Mortensen for the role, although I think a remake is a terrible idea.
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I think it was more about redemption. From first glance, it appears that, given the chance, Kate will always think of herself before others. But looking deeper we see that she is just a frightened little girl looking for her daddy. I think that once she saw what was in Claire's bag, she felt regret. Not only because she stole a pregnant girl's bag, but because her whole life has been a series of good intentions gone wrong. Her guilt, and her desire for forgiveness drives her forward, always running from something to something. The murder of her step-dad to help her mother. The chase that ends with her husband dying. All these things done to help the ones she loves, albeit selfishly. This episode helped to show that Kate doesn't want to be the bad-guy, she has to be.
I'm guessing that the bulk of this season is going to show how the island didn't really change people like the first few seasons made it seem. That people don't change. Given the chance, we make the same decisions. Just some rants. I got about 4,815,162,342 more theories. -
I think the MIB is posting under the handle of sk1nnee. The thought that people don't change and they always make the same decisions sounds like the stance that MIB would take towards humans, where in I imagine Jacob would think that people can change.
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It's fun and easy. Just take the title of an episode of LOST and see how many different ways you can repeat it.What Kate Does. What? Kate does? What Kate? Duz? WHAT!!??!! Kate does. Wakkatuz. WHAT Kate does. What KATE does. What Kate DOES. Whatka Tedoes?LA X. La Ecks. Lax. reLAX. El Axe. Lakes. The X. L A 10. Le X. LA X LU Thor. LA X-Men.Walkabout. Walk aboot. Wakka boot. Wally Kabout. Wall cab out. Wok about. Walk-a-bout. WALK about. walk A-bout. Walk ABOUT. Walk all bowed.See? Now you try. Fun!Just be sure to give hitlerlover credit for the idea.
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That was an all kinds of good line you typed above. Please. Don't feature me takin the piss here. I dug it, muchacho. It would make a good movie..
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did they take another god damn break?
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LA X. e La X. Re LA X . appropriate.
Relax don't do it
When you want to go to it
Relax don't do it
When you want to come
Relax don't do it
When you want to suck to it
Relax don't do it
When you want to come
Come-oh oh oh
But shoot it in the right direction
Make making it your intention-ooh yeah
Live those dreams
Scheme those schemes
Got to hit me
Hit me
Hit me with those laser beams
I'm coming
I'm coming-yeah
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...regardless of how fun that could be (uhum), you actually reminded me of something else. That Lindelof and Cuse said the X was intentional in it's placement when they were on Jimmy Kimmel. LA X, vs LAX. What does that mean? I don't freakin' know! Just something else to talk about.
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I mean he does seem to be the variable here. Interacted and intruded upon Hugo, James, Sayid, Kate..
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The new node is no good. Please go back to the thread and read.
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and it brings me back to my original question Jaka... what kind of positive things does he bring to these talkbacks? hmmm?? or u just gonna defend him because u dont like my friends and i???
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We should hang out sometime.
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You gonna answer reasonably or prove Jay right?
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beaaoottchh has no game. its a really simple question.
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((((( ToughGuyRizzo ))))) ((((( jay2517 ))))) You guys are the best, most intelligent and insightful posters on the Lost talkbacks. But... why are you asking me questions about somebody YOU have a problem with? Are we in Jr High now? Should I start passing you my hugs via notes on folded binder paper? I'm confused by this as I don't care what your beef is with him, or his with you. Also, it has absolutely nothing to do with Lost, so how are you "contributing" anything "positive" by repeatedly trying to goad me to fight with you? Silly boys. (((((( ToughGuyRizzo )))))) (((((( jay2157 ))))))
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they do tend to stick together.....BTW RIZZ... u speak TROLL??? hmmm me neither.... gotta get a TROLL INTERPRETATION MACHINE for the rest of the trolls comments i suppose. poor Jaka-- all the rest of the Lost episodes obviously has to have his "personal feeling" or he will think nothing.happened. it wa a WASTE... OR he will say "FOR ME" it didnt have everything that I think should have happened it this particular episode SOOOB!!
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Our jedi council does a ton of research. We dont just type bullshit on here. We do our research. Plus, guess what, I met and talked with Damon and Carlton at comic con 2009 for 20-30 minutes. Good people, lotsa insight.
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I clearly know nothing about Lost and you know everything. I did a terrible job of explaining what I didn't like. My explanation of how personal opinion varies from theory was awful. I totally attacked everybody who disagreed, insulting and mocking them, trying to get them to fight with me. I'm a terrible person. Thank you for making everything so clear to me. (((((((jay2517)))))))
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..."Jedi Council"........... aahaaahaahaahaahhhaahaha!!!! (inhale) aaahahaahahahaaaaa!!!!
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what'd he say???
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First post? I think so. We have started re-watching season 1 this week and if you havn't done so recently, with the revelation of Not-Locke (or whatever name you prefer), I strongly recommend doing so. Pay close attention to anything Locke says or does or where he appears. If anything, it restores my faith that this has all been planned from the beginning. I love backgammon and most will remember that Locke introduces Walt to the game. Watch it again and try not to get a shiver when he explains, "Two sides... One is light, one is dark" (could be paraphasing there) Enjoy.
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..because you're so unused to being loved. I got nothing but love for ya. ((((((jay2517))))) (((((ToughGuyRizzo))))))
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The creators and writers of the show have said as much.
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still cant hear....dammit im sure there's a TON of insight im losing out on dammit...
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Feb 11, 2010 10:52:56 PM CST
Jaka is losVagyTex ..Jay. easy way to find LosVagy's logins.
by macfaux
Google. site search. aintitcool.com. LosVagy. Names around and abound her posts. always. You wouldn't think her more stupid than she shows.
..but she is.
Oli Oli Loli Hag!
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Thanx for the laugh. Its an inside joke. We dont take it that seriously.
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..and have always been only me. For about ten years, actually. And I got love for you too, MacFaux. (((((MacFaux))))) The three of you should actually take over the writing for the show, every blog and all the entertainment sites (including AICN) that cover it. The should would be much better with you guys in charge. After all, ToughGuyRizzo has met "Damon and Carlton"! That makes your Jedi Council more important than all us other lowly people who can't properly express our thoughts and opinions.
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...to the discussion of the show right now, btw. My head is near exploding with all the revelations your expounding upon us mere mortals.
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Feb 11, 2010 10:58:52 PM CST
Mac is against it. However we should get a non lost node
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ginnis311?
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but, i lost it. oh well. we must be missing out on some SERIOUS INSIGHT on the show.....
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I thought you guys were providing the only accepted "serious insight" on the show. Any time the rest of us lowly peons post anything you three just tear it apart or insult us for being so stupid. We all bow down to your brilliance and offer our undying love! (((((jay2517))))
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It was alright. Sawyer has at least one scene a year where he nails it and this was no exception. I feel bad for him though...Esau posing as Locke could result in some really bad decisions on his part. It's funny , but if anyone had more effect on Sawyer than Juliet it has to be Locke. From calling him James long before anyone else to handing him the real Sawyer on a platter; the two have more of a relationship and history than some remember.
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oh well....if only i could READ the SHEER BRILLIANCE of certain people....how shit sux, doesnt measure up to what they think should be, nothing.happens., or it was a WASTE... u know typical TROLLHATIN' stuff....
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...twice a day. *skip*pop* Even a stopped clock gives the right time twice a day. *skip*pop* Even a stopped clock gives the right time twice a day. *skip*pop* Even a stopped clock gives the right time twice a day. *skip*pop* Even a stopped clock gives the right time twice a day.
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I'm looking forward to Sawyer in his current state reuniting with the current "Locke". Should be good stuff if un-Locke doesn't just finish breaking Sawyer mentally.
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I feel that it makes sense that that actions of those on the island in 2007, the ones we are watching unfold, somehow determine the status of the Losties in the LAX world. I think that is why some people appear to have improved (Hurley is lucky, Locke seems to be at peace with his situation), some appear unchanged (Kate, Jack, Claire)and some appear to have reverted to form or worse(Sawyer, Charlie). One of the main themes of Lost is redemption; when you take a hard look at the characters, none of them are saints. It seems that the Losties get to choose between contining down the path they were on pre-island or to choose another life. But will it matter either way in terms of their happiness or quality of life? That remains to be seen.
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Is there any chance that Jacob and Esau are spirits given form through alternate versions of Aaron? The good one raised by Claire in the keystone reality and the other by someone else? This would perhaps explain Esau's inability to wield the knife himself, his desire to go home to his own timeline and the machinations and manipulative appearences on his part to guide the Losties away from the island. Regardless, I liked the idea of Aaron being a vessel for one or the other. This would also go along way to justify the Other's interest in young Ben and Walt.
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I think what is in the cards for Sawyer is a backslide to his former self. Because of his past with Locke he will up a tool of darkness and his redemption will be shot. Which will be a shame because other than Jin thre is no one who benefited more from his time on the island. This is why I feel bad for those who think he will end up having coffee with Juliet; he will end up with Kate in LA X because they are basically the same person at heart, especially the 2004 versions.
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I dig your thoughts in your "Sliding Sideways" post as well. I very nmuch HOPE that the actions of those in Island-Time affect those in LA X time in some clear way by seasons end. I will admit that I hadn't put everything together as you did regarding who has (possibly) changed for better or worse and who has stayed the same. Interesting. I'll be paying more attention to that, as well as how it connects to their actions on Island-Time as the season progresses.
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What if the LA X reality is what The Man in Black was refering to as "Home" What if he's trying to get there? Also as a way to bring Desmond back into things maybe he's the only one who can travel back and forth and MIB wants to use him to return? Maybe Jacob trapped him on the island reality and thats why MIB hates him?
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I'm thinking that Jacob (as the mid-season game changer/shocker) will be the bad guy.We still don't know why he interacted with the the Lost crew, or what his followers are up to... and when is Caesar going to return?
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I'm thinking that Jacob (as the mid-season game changer/shocker) will be the bad guy.We still don't know why he interacted with the the Lost crew, or what his followers are up to... and when is Caesar going to return?
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Feb 12, 2010 2:52:03 AM CST
on'ce we've spoken to Mr Jarrah we'll be happy to tell you every
by maniaq
you want to know...
BEST Kate episode EVER! - and I do mean EVER!
actually I'm glad I wasn't here for the useless "filler" crowd - SLOW BURN people!! SLOW FUCKING BURN!
so I got all the way to the bottom (tho I haven't refreshed the page since this morning so I'm probably only halfway through now) before speaking my mind, but I cannot believe ONLY ONE person (Dapper?) was thinkin the same thing I was, the whole time...
"I was brought here, like everyone else"
They're ALL "infected" - the "Others" were all brought to the island, just like Jack and Desmond and Rousseau and Miles and Ilana etc etc etc...
There's a whole bunch of people in that Temple who look like they just stepped off the Black Rock two weeks ago. Lennon looks a helluva lot like Richard did when he first met Ben... There's a reason for that - they BOTH speak for their leaders in order to maintain that arms-length distance, when the tough calls need to be made.
Theys ALL been drinkin the Koolaid!
You're either "chosen" by the light touch of Jacob, or when it's your turn in the pool... you'll never be the same again
-like Ben...
So that test... the ash part is obvious... the hot poker - looked like it was applied to Sayid's (freshly healed) would - kinda like cauterising a wound, only not... and the electricity... I'm telling you like I been saying since about season two - NANOBOTS PEOPLE!
there's no literal translation... and we all know Darlton have repeatedly said there's no nanobots on this show - the closest thing would be... "infection"
I bet Richard was a slave, in chains, on the good ship Black Rock but Dogen was... slightly more in the Management section
They were ALL brought to the island - ONLY AARON was born there - ok maybe Smocke - prolly not Jacob, tho
yeah yeah I know what you're thinkin - but he wants to go "home" so how could he be born there?
you're still thinkin in three dimensions...
btw speakin of Dogen - was I the only one, when Jack asked him about the baseball, expect him to say "IT'S A COMPASS!" - what? no? jus me?
ok then -
Does Sticky Vicki Vale know what Kate does
Cause Sticky Vicki Vale does what Kate does?
If Kate does what Sticky Vicki Vale does
And Sticky Vicki Vale does what Kate does
What DOES what does and when did it do it?
Who done what done and done did it who to?
Who do that voodoo that you do to who to?
Kate done diddy done it, done in a tutu.
From Timbuktu to Kathmandu
With a didgeridoo and a kangeroo.
From me to you - to do or not to do
Aye, there’s the point.
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I was thinkin all last week how everyone else seemed to think there was something fishy about Sayid but I jus didn't see it...
I don't think he's actually "infected" - and don't expect he'll "go bad" like Jack's sister - what Dogen doesn't know (but FFS guys WE THE AUDIENCE KNOW THIS) is that Sayid has Jacob's er.. ."blessing" - be it nanobots or some other crazy island mojo he was visited by Jacob's (preserving) touch
he's one of the good guys
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I agree that is probably the twist, although it sounds a lot like the Babylon 5 reveal of the Vorlons being being just as evil as the Shadows or the time lords and the Daleks winding up the same.
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something bad. she was killed by the smoke monster. I saw a flash of that in a trailer for seasson 6 on sky one. it has yet to appear why she died. or what she did to get killed by smokie. but I have a feeling that in the finale. we will learn something about claire. and its this. she killed her dad. and after she gave birth to aaron and then once that happened that island had no use for her. On season 5 jack says A lot of bad things happened. this year we find out what they were. this island turned the losties against each other.
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jaka,longjohnny,pa, dapper..., and obviously some others are the only voices of sanity in this gigantic, entirely-too-long, overblown TB.
the best part is that what, 3 days after the episode longjohnny makes the best post(s) of the whole thing, i hadn't thought about the causality thing in regards to the "flash sideways"'s... now its going to take 2 hours to get to sleep.
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... macfaux/rizzo/whomever, has god knows how many logins, and I'm fairly certain the guy is a fuckin psychopath. The only alternative is that he's such an alcoholic fuckup he's half braindead and can't stop himself (or... HERself... DUN DAAAAA *Jungle trumpet*)
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Absolutely possible. There's data all over the place on the popularity of the "Jedi" religon. Example: http://www.religionnewsblog.com/category/jedi
Why not Lost? It has all of the great common themes that span time, geography, and culture. It taps into the marrow of mythology. People would sign up, I'm sure of it. Myself, I'm a strict Dudeist Priest of the Highest Order. http://www.dudeism.com/ -
"Lost" refers actually to losing the game, and not being phisically Lost? The losties lost the game, therefore they´re perpetually doomed!!
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He does abide, after all.
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Survive make your time.
All your base are belong to us.
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Lost has been a big FFFFFUUUUUUUUUU for me since season 4, so...it´s alright.
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I think we have a few answers already, although none of them are really satisfying. You know, I thought Smnkey was a security system? Now it turns out it´s MIB? well, Okay. I love Lost because it entertains me and I watch it every single week, but the writers get too much praise. It´s easy to write a show throwing WTF moments once in a while if you´re not gonna get back to them eventually. I mean, really, what the fuck was all the Walt plot about? Did he kill birds by thought? Are we gonna have an answer or did they just throw it there because it seemed coo?
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Just accept it and move on.
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It's gotta good ring to it. I'll leave it for someone else to come up with a concept. Which I will in turn, bash incessantly.
@MacFaux - not sure i see any analogues of Moon, but it has been awhile. A re-read might deliver me some fresh insights. Thinking about it now, maybe Ben and the Midget share some similarities. Like their anger at the world or their manipulation of systems if you stretch it maybe.
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Smokey was a "security system" according to dharma, but its pretty obvious they didn't really know wtf was going on with the island. They were just science geeks in way over their heads... perhaps smokey was trying to claim/influence people in dharmatown, scared the shit out of them and they invented a neato fence?
not sure about walt, but we have seen alot of the chars show some sort of "special" quality (hurley,miles,des,alpert,mikhail)... hopefully the bring him back in some way that gives a bit of closure to the whole thing. There are some season 2/3 things they just threw against the wall though back then since the future of the show was in limbo. -
...that Smokey got through just once, so he could show up at Ben's window as his dead mom. What's up with that?
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i forgot about that.
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...was never on the Island.
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Always good for a few laughs. Now fuck off.
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If somebody was to call one of the elitist nerdy idiots on this tb the epitome of comic cook guy I would call them a stereotyping asshole.
But go to Rizzo's blogspot and there he is, comic book guy !!- slightly portly - pretentious beard- cocksuckingly stupid Lost T-shirt worn in public - a walking cliche !!
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I assume its Jar Jar
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Look, let me explain something to you. I'm not Mr. Lebowski. You're Mr. Lebowski. I'm the Dude. So that's what you call me. That or His Dudeness... Duder... or El Duderino, if, you know, you're not into the whole brevity thing.
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Its the words "insert light-sabre here" tattoed on his buttocks.
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u know people with small comprehension capabilities tend to watch Lost then, come to these talkbacks and bitch and moan about it *cough* akkosa-Ditko *cough*. how 'bout u idiots just QUIT watching? it'd make ALOT of people really happy. also, trolls who dont have "outside" friends tend be jealous of people that do...*cough* lostTwattexass-2Legged *cough*
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to the people who actually put thought into it. good job. ANNND i guess 2Legged WANTS?? me to get a operation to look like Kate??? plus, he would find that sexy? hmm thats cool whatever gets that "Lost fan" to quit bitching amd moaning about a show he cant understand lol. idiot...
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Ready when you are gorgeous
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I still can't wait for his second post.
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You may be incredibly sexy Jay, and I know I say this at the risk of not getting near that fine ass but:
You actually contribute very little to these talkbacks beyond aggressive responses to other tbers.
Seriously sweetheart you need to control those anger management issues.
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i dont post when people are making logical sense. i like reading their theories and comments. its when "fans" like u, lostTwat, akkosa, and Ditko come trolling on here and post rubbish. u post the same lame-ass shit that is plain wrong. i think Jaka is a cockwad but, at least he posts some coherent shit sometimes. u guys dont. we get u dont like Lost! quit watching and bitching and jut move on lol. my "anger" lol issues are fine. i just hate stupid talkbacker thats all...
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"WE get u don't like lost..."
Thats the thing with even cute gals like you...you've got to be in a little clique haven't you.
And when I say anger issues I recognise that it might all just be down to the monthlies - who knows, tomorrow you might be sane again.
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i can always depend on trolls like u guys to really ignore the actual facts. oh well time to quit the feeding and get my troll ignoring machine out.....serenity now...calm breath...serenity now...
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it implies that she actually has a value or a purpose, which we have never seen. And Jacob visiting these idiots before the crash is antithetical to the established fact that Desmond is the sole cause of the Oceanic crash.
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serenity now.....
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Then who is Frogurt and when will the flaming arrow kill him?
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thanks. advice taken brotha! how abut this? jacob had the statue and dogan (sp?) looks to have the temple... u think mib is taking sawyer to where he resides? it looks like in the promo hes taking him to some kind of "cliff dwelling"? though its inferred that mib/smokey resides underneath the temple? just a thought...
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Sawyer completely goes over to the dark side based on his grief? Maybe by the very end he pulls a Darth Vader and redeems himself. I would like it if Sawyer or Sayid or someone that we know willingly joins up with MIB like Harold joined up with Flagg in the Stand.
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Out of curiosity I took a look at the IMDB episode ratings for Lost. What Kate Does is near the top of the bottom quarter of episodes, as ranked by those who bothered to rate it on that site. Over on DarkUFO, there's a poll which has 40% of people rating it "OK" - which is the middle option of five, and the top scorer by some margin - (16% said awesome, 7% awful, with over 17,000 people) So there's at least two metrics which say this wasn't the kind of episode people were excited to see at the start of the final season. I myself must say having re-watched it I did appreciate it a bit more the second time. I still think some script elements were weak and it's a step down from last week, but I understand what they're doing with Kate's interactions with Claire and Sawyer, and the performances weren't bad. It does feel a bit dumb to have Sawyer not go to the temple, get captured, then leave, when they could have just let him go his separate way last week though. Must have been a more elegant way of doing some of this moving the pieces around whilst still getting the right character beats, to be honest. And with a better story than trekking round the jungle, going back and forth in a taxi, etc. The temple is exceeding expectations for me, so far though.
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The Others compilation:
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Thanx for checking me out. At least I do dress well, have friends and get laid. Hope you saw that too in the pics.
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MacFaux and I are definitely 2 separate people. I'm straight to the point on my stuff. He's our Yoda.
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Yup, definetly not Jar-Jar. But God you trolls really cant write about anything. Like, I know your trying to insult me, but is usually just cliche.
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Yeah, I'll agree. However. playing sports and injuring your ankle makes you slightly immobile.
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DON'T SHOOT! HE'S CARRYING A NUCLEAR WEAPON!
does anyone remember how Jack and Sayid got that nuke into Main St Dharmatown?
a sonic fence isn't really much of a barrier if there's an underground tunnel leading straight to your bedroom
didn't Richard say something very similar when he spoke to Sawyer in 1974? "oh that Sonic Fence is no barrier to us..."
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...I think that business allowed them to: 1. Establish that Sawyer was also on the list. 2. Gave a quick, easy way to get Jin and Kate out of the Others compound (after establishing that they were also on the list). Sure, there may have been an even more economical way to accomplish this (but with Lost it's not like anyone was going to read the names on the list out loud).
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Okay, let me lead with this: I hate it when anyone, in regards to Lost or any movie, book or series, steps in to say that a particular element being dropped or not addressed in a manner that places it consistently within the reality of the creative endeavor. And sure, having said that (and having taken plenty of folks on this very site to the woodshed for doing it) it's obvious I'm about to do it now. So, with a sprightly bow to the hypocrisy police, I will now proceed. The bird, and the other incidents ominously alluded to by Walt's scared step dad offered evidence of Walt having powers of a specific nature. Off the island it is likely these powers would have never seemed anything more than kind of creepy, the kind of thing probably everyone here has experienced with someone they've known. You know, the kind of things you would put down to a string of coincidences or someone having a surfeit of good or bad luck. But on the island, which seems to accentuate such things to an extraordinary degree, the talent within Walt could have become an extremely powerful force. Because of this the Others wanted him. Probably Ben would have liked to see Walt turned to his purposes, but as we've seen Ben (and seemingly the island's greater powers as well) are exceedingly jealous of their prerogatives and their power. Quite possibly for them taking Walt out of play (especially in a fashion where if they should have ever had need of him they could likely have arranged his return) was about as good as having him under their control. What they wished to avoid was having whatever his power may have matured to on the island turned against them and their purposes. Is there anything in the show that tells me this? Nah, it's backward engineered, figuring out a logical set of motivations that would have led to the decisions that were made. And does it let the writers off the hook for not making it clear? No, I'm not saying that, either. But I think it makes sense.
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For the above. Sorry, first paragraph interruptus.
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What hurts the first couple of seasons in retrospect is having plots built into the structure of the show that led precisely nowhere - Walt getting kidnapped was the cliff hanger. And the raft led to the tail section, which led to... so what was the point of the raft and the tail section and Walt again? It's just unfortunate but something we have to accept as the nature of producing episodic TV drama. Other things paid off better than they had any right to. Desmond for instance. Ben. After putting so much into Eko that year they got a bit lucky to salvage some meaning from that mess. Ben's genius plan of deliberately getting caught never made a fucking lick of sense though did it. Clearly they just liked the actor, and knew the Others would have a leader they had plans for, so make it this guy. That's not making it up as you go along so much as thinking on your feet and rhyming things together. Some of the more conceptual roles involving the mythology could have wound up being filled by a variety of characters, is my guess. To an extent they would have been fluid with this, seeing what worked, whilst still knowing what their intentions were in terms of the story for that role when the time arrived. So for instance whilst it might seem a bit weird to build up Eko and Walt so much and then drop them for production based reasons rather than story lines, it might not entirely be the case that whatever ideas they had planned down the line were abandoned out right, they just utilized a different character, either someone new or a different existing character. Something that irritates me though is the extent to which whole seasons have a lot happen in the first episode, and a lot happen in the last episode, and then there's a lot of shuffling the characters around in between while not much happens on the island. The seasons with the freighter were bad for this. Luckily by then they'd figured out how to make the flashbacks compelling, so on an episode by episode basis you didn't really notice the lack of any real arc between the beginning and end of the season on the island. It's only when you stop and think about it. Sometimes the notion that Lost is a week to week serial became a bit of an illusion. This is what worries me as to whether the LA timeline is going to have real narrative thrust until they're ready to resolve it.
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I wonder if they are going to congregate characters in that hospital like it's House or ER. Claire they can keep there. Kate can keep coming to visit. Ethan works there. Jack has to go to his dad's funeral presumably. Will Claire go to that, some how? Charlie they could easily get to the hospital. Jack told Locke to see him about his spine. Hurley possibly, except now he has good luck so probably isn't crazy. Is Sun still pregnant? Bernard a dentist. Rose cancer. Maybe some others? I suppose it's a useful device to let strangers cross paths a second time. Sort of hope that isn't what we're going to get though. The other stretch of episodes which was ludicrous was how much filler there was in the second half of season one. Yes I know Numbers and the second Locke episode were great. But I think they found the hatch in the floor around the episode Jack preposterously resurrected Charlie. the end of that first run of episodes before Christmas. For a while we had fake deaths and raft fires and toy plane robberies and daddy issues and a whole lot of inconsequential gibberish before magically everything got busy again just in time for the season finale. They stared at that hatch in the ground for a very long time! With hindsight, maybe various elements of season two could have been dealt with there, except they hadn't thought of them yet. I think this is the problem with those endless Kate and Jack episodes - these roles were cast and given prominence in the early days before there was much story or anything in place, and they did the pilot quickly. Then when it was successful, they had enough story for about thirteen episodes or so, and they knew what the finale would be, but not much else. It's afterwards Lost becomes what it is now. Back then it was still the plane crash drama on a mystery island. It had that Twin Peaks weirdness shrewdly played up from the start, but it was a different show I think in terms of the bigger picture to the extent there was one. Then from season two onwards they get not just to cast actors they like, but to cast them knowing they've got a juicy part lined up and know how it feeds into the mythos of the show. So you get Desmond and Eko. David Fury gifted them John Locke, and fan favourites like Hurley were really only secondary characters for quite a long time. But my guess is stuff like this is why Kate episodes have traditionally got people a bit antsy. Those early characterisations and backstories were done in a hurry. But they were prominent and they had to stick with them. And because they had no business making 25 episodes with 13 episodes of plot, they got saddled with way more inert backstory for their main characters than anybody could deal with. Which is a shame, because the first Kate episode with the marshal, and the first Jack episode with ghost dad's coffin, were good.
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I'm sure you have a lot of useful insights and interesting things to say - but I'll never know coz out of habit, I see a great big chunk of text with no paragraph breaks - which you achieve by the age old markup (sans spaces) - I just skip it...
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But yeah, I can never read into all that. and my monitor is my hdtv.
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So I'm new to this TB and I would be remiss if I didn't point out that as a newcomer it's just like being an 815er. Every time I log in there are two groups claiming to be the only good group. Everyone else is a Troll/Other. You can't get a straight answer from anyone. It's very clique-y. And try as I might I can't figure out what the fuck lostboytexass is talking about . Okay that parts not like LOST, but everything else...
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it should become apparent. lostBOY is a troll that posts spoilers so be careful.
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Really like the stuff about Walt. Couldn't agree more. You have to judge a TV by it's own standards. Just like comic books, where even whole years of stories have sucked, but you can't deny both,that Batman is awesome, and The Killing Joke is one of the greatest pieces of fiction of all time.
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just look my name up
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Gonna take a look. cool man. Yeah Josh, If someone has real to say on here about LOST, I'm for it. But when people get mad cause you debunk their shit, well, that's when you get trolls.
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Honest to God, I completely missed your post where you said basically what I was thinking. It's tough to wade through all these posts to find actual Lost related stuff. But thanks for the post.
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...I'll disagree with you about the last half of the first season. Those slow episodes you're talking about (I'm guessing maybe 14-19) really provided a lot of character development. Without that sort of thing the characters just become pieces you move around to get to the end. And I know I'm nearly alone in this, but I think Kate's character is one of the most compelling and true characters on the show. And you shouldn't "like" her that much. But she has been maybe the most consistently written of all the 815ers. If you want to discuss the whys and wherefores I'd be glad to discuss it, but I've consistently felt more involved in her flashbacks than those of any of the original group except Locke and Sawyer.
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Cant find it under your name. Blogspot is weird like that.
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Yeah, I love the LOST debate. Probably the biggest reason I love it. If you can get people to not just watch but, dissect and argue and hypothesize. I humbly doff my cap, sirs. So, that doesn't bother me. It's the ridiculous; faggot,assfuck,child-rape; name calling and back and forth. Is this really it for them?
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...thanks, but more importantly, don't get put off by the bickering. That's just a group of folks who don't like each other. I avoided Lost talkbacks for three seasons because of too much of that stuff (and I've been labeled at various times as both a Lost hater and a mindless Lost defender) but there's plenty of good stuff here, too. Even from the feuding folks, when they're not actively involved in feuding. Except Kid Texas. He seems to be all vendetta, all the time.
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http:jay2517.blogspot?
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see if it shows up there
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nice post. Ha!
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do NOT log off, you will NOT be readmitted...
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I did reflect on a Gen-13 cover design, but I did draw all the Others myself.
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i used to draw all the time when i was growing up. was actually pretty good. not so much now lol.
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http://jay2517.blogspot.com/
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I was impressed with Rizzo's sketches.
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Someone above commented on Charlie, and how he did not seem to be logically included in my take on the LA X passenger breakdown, especially in light of his heroic exit. I agree. The funny thing is that his situation is not in line with pre island Charlie and the person he became. All he wanted was a hit, not to die. I kinda thought he suggested to Jack that it was a suicide attempt? I dont find that to be in line with event the saddest version of Charlie presented thus far.
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Anyway, what all is different in the new timeline? Shannon is gone, Boone doesnt seem scarred and even his talking to Locke seems less snotty than his original incarnation. Is Kate innocent in this timeline? She has hidden her guilt before but I'm not sure she's ever claimed innocent. Did Sawyer kill the food clerk? He didn't seem too fucked in the head. Jack seems the same but who can tell...if he's ready to man the fuck up in this timeline that might make the entire season. Point being, I don't know that anything in LA X is as it seems on the surface, or if anything we know about the past holds water in the new world.
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And Artz is still a dickweed. Do we know anything else from Lost lore holds true besides Claire's pregnancy? What if she pops out a girl??
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Anyone seen Field of Dreams recently? Mysterious movements in the cornfield, ghosts, lines that can't be crossed, "there are others".... Just sayin. Smokey is Shoeless Joe Jackson! He's in his black socks and needs some shoes to walk home.
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The whispers. The Dharma Van. Science vs Faith. A hint of time travel. Life after death. Is this heaven? Someone survives a fall. A doctor brings them back, but can't go back to the field of dreams. The main character is eventually reunited with his dead father. Suppose this makes Jack Kevin Costner, and Darth Locke James Earle Jones? Obviously the island being a bit more dangerous than the field of dreams :) I dunno if D & C know DeLillo's Underworld, but the baseball really works as a metaphor for the time lines. Once the batter hits it, the trajectory or arc it takes through space-time is kind of inevitable I guess - it exists and can theoretically be determined and it happens. But from decades in the future, anybody trying to trace the provenance of this specific baseball after the batter hit it into the stands - well that scuffle coming out of the stadium can't really be tracked. It's lost in history. They know it's the same baseball, they just can't prove it or see what happened. The past and the future are kind of lost to each other either though they're continuous. Consciousness, memory, history, whatever you want to call it, is a bit fractured like that.
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Its Locke next week !!
Don't know if this is slightly insane but :
Somebody mentioned the fact that we didn't see "UnLocke" turn into Smokie
Numerous fans have commented that they don't like how Lockes arc ended. It doesn't seem to be terribly respectful to the character.
It just all makes me wonder, with an episode title like "The Substitute" , when such substitution might have taken place e.g. before Ben killed Locke ?
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it wasnt a suicide attempt. in both timlines he was a drug addict. they were suspicious of him on the plane in both timelines. we a drug addict is gonna be caught they always swallow the drugs. it just got caught in his windpipe. plus, jack saves him from choking in both timelines. on the island from ethan's hanging and in the alt. bathroom.
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...I can't figure out a logical narrative path that would make you right... ...but that doesn't stop me from hoping you are!
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...so I guess you're suggesting that LA represents an (in most ways) accelerated microcosm of everything we've seen on the island. Therefore, Locke may well get back the use of his legs, Charlie die, Boone and Shannon die, Claire lose her baby...but in more prosaic ways than what occurred on the island. It seems possible, although that would be one heck of a lot of business to do in such a short time. Gotta' say, it's the most alluring possible prospect for the LA stuff, though in a greater sense I don't like the position it takes on fate v. free will.
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...I know I've at times championed the possibility of the Forbidden Planet model, mostly because it does allow for very elegant explanations for almost all of the possible inconsistencies in Lost's mythology. But I'm still rooting for the show's writers to have something better.
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...also, as I think I might have mentioned again in the thousands of posts this week or last, I think none of the manifestations would necessarily by a wholly formed product of one person's (or entity's) id but would be more akin to clay being molded by all those on the island, with some exerting much more influence (or in some cases actual control), depending on their affinity with whatever the source of the power/clay turns out to be. But that's my fallback. Like I said, hoping for something fresher.
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I started trying to devise a logical narrative path for this but disappeared up my own backside.
This really being Locke would imply that the whole Jacob death was a double bluff and also raise an interesting question around how real Locke got back to the Island.
But there is just something around there being no dramatic send off for Locke and the "I'm sorry you had to see me like that" bit that don't ring true.
In fact the "I'm sorry you had to see me like that " from Locke after Smokie had done the business for some reason reminded me of the end of this clip: http://tinyurl.com/afzd5n
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i dont think it will be literal in all aspects. i think it might happen with the more influential characters. like locke's dad might still fuck his relationship with Helen if shes still alive. widmore somehow still screwing with des. stuff like that. in the podcasts damon said that the timelines "converge" sometime so im sure the "coincidences" in both timelines will have to be quick and to the point.
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I feel like we were meant to think that meant, "see" him as the smoke. But, I'm leaning toward seeing him get so angry, he "used" the smoke. Like if you destroyed something with a bat and said "sorry you had to see me like that." You don't mean, 'see me as a bat', you mean, get so angry you used a bat. So I agree with McGoo, I think that MIB and Smokey are two different entities.
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...about the Id thing I think we're in the same place. About the other, I would love to see it, and I would watch that sucker with the quickness, but that would be a logistical nightmare. I suspect it wouldn't be nearly as entertaining either, but I can't imagine you're not right about it helping to clarify a whole lot of stuff.
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...you guys are right about that, and it would make a great deal of sense, especially considering the episode with Ben and Widemore's people. Still, there are both budgetary and stylistic reasons that may have been behind Locke's ducking out of sight before SM appeared, and outside of the Ben thing and the explanation of SM as a security guard (which I always thought of as pretty unreliable testimony...I mean it originated with Rousseau) they're still in play. So, fingers crossed, but I'm not quite willing to lay my money on it.
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The main thing that threw me about Charlie was his comment to Jack that he should've let him die, that he was suppposed to die. Plus the fact that the plane did not seem to be up in arms over Charlie like the original crash when he was forced to dump the drugs...maybe we just didnt get that perspective yet. So, I'm not sure he was under pressure this time but you would think so;there is no other reason to swallow the bag, but why do that instead of flushing it? He didnt seem worried about the consequences the first time. And if Charlie's heroic end has any bearing on LA X than why is he not a pop star making millions. Why is he worse off than before? It's one thing to still be on the nod, quite another to wish you had choked to death...I don't remember Charlie so low even when he go banished from the beach. However, I believe the answer can be found in whether the dead Islanders can still influence the living, or if every doppleganger we have seen has been the smoke monster in disguise. I personally believe that the people Hurley has seen is actually them, not Smokie. If this is the case even the dead people on the island will be taking sides this season. Perhaps Charlie, like Sawyer(?) takes the wrong one...or maybe he goes wrong trying to help infected Claire?
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Sun and Jin are not wearing wedding rings and Sun is refered to as Ms. Paik. Who knows if she can even speak english or not. Darlton hints at a number of possible differences in their LA X poscast recorded right after the la x episode last week.
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...going down that path (and I'm not saying I do...a little too Talisman for me) LA Charlie could be being effected by the fact that in spite of Island Charlie's sacrifice Claire lost Aaron and went Rousseau (and possibly died and was claimed). So there is certainly a possible causal link.
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Since almost every example in the ALT seems to be a divergence from the time-line we know, maybe Charlie was swallowing the bag to keep it from his brother, who we simply didn't see on the plane, and his comment about dying was a reference to what LongJohnny99 is talking about.
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Since almost every example in the ALT seems to be a divergence from the time-line we know, maybe Charlie was swallowing the bag to keep it from his brother, who we simply didn't see on the plane, and his comment about dying was a reference to what LongJohnny99 is talking about.
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Not mindblowingly brilliant like the premiere, but still solid. Looking forward to finding out more about Fake-Locke, Richard and Jacob though!
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jacob and mib are "playing a game". so if some of the pieces get to close to certain "areas" they're not supposed to be at, esp.in smokies perspective, ie the temple then they pay the price so to speak lol.
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between Charlie and Jack's encounter but it seems that the new events dont always involve the same folks as in the original timeline. Nor do things always work the exact same way. For instance, watch the part where Jack is tring to revive Sayid and Kate is crying in the background...this is a pretty good amalgam for the Charlie hanging scene except Jack gives up. Another good example is Claire basically becoming Rosseau...I'm pretty sure we have seen similar scenes with both Rosseau ambushing and emerging from the jungle and a crazed, disheveled Claire also appearing out of said jungle. That one was a twofer! In short, it seems like past events are kind of being echoed but not quite repeated. I don't think anything is locked in and everyone has the ability to change or embrace their destiny. Except, apparently, Christian.
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I keep coming back to the fact that they really have to save alot of the big answers till the last few eps. So that hopefully being the case they still have a little set-up to do before they yank the rug out one last glorious(I hope)time.
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The only thing that could make Charlie more loveable is if he discovered that his "heroics" created a situation where Jacob is dead, Smokies on the loose, Claire and Arron are apart, etc, and then decided to accept his fate as a dead man. This is why he believes he is supposed to die: even his well intended acts brought nothing but sorrow to Claire and the rest of the group. This would also perfectly mirror his thoughts when swimming to the Swan...I might die but Claire and Aaron will be OK. Well now that he knows how that worked out he figures maybe its best that he dies before he can expose the Island and bring the pain. Good times!
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What is everyone's take on Locke's early meeting with Smokie in Season 1? I mean, if this was Esau coming into contact with a past version of himself wouldn't we have a Candle/two rabbits scenario at tthat point? Or is this the real Locke facing Esau or one of the other possible smoke monsters?
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Darlton has said that Lost is done for them this May with the series finale, but you know that ABC will somehow figure out how to milk that cash cow over and over again. I would bet that ABC gets some new showrunner to pump out a further adventures spin off with a new cast. Isn't there a Battlestar prequel going at the moment Caprica or something, I would bet that in a year or two ABC makes an announcement for a Lost prequel or sequel. Unless Darlton of course plants some stuff in the finale making it difficult like JK Rowling did with the last Harry Porrter book. Not to mention all of the merchandice that will come out. I spoke with Damon Lindeloff at a signing and he told me that two years or so after the finale ABC will be compiling the show bible and publishing a Lost encyclopedia. We'll see if it actually gets made, would be cool to have something like that.
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I still think he saw something different. I really hope/think that it will be one of the big revelations. Something along the lines of a twist ending, where we pick up where we left that scene and see the formation of a plan.
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up until his dead body returned to the island. I believe that Smokey/MIB can only take the form of dead people or use infected people. But what do I know.
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locke saw the smoke monster. locke leaves the island, dies, dead corpse comes back on the 316 flight. mib just used his image to fulfill his loophole. mib just assumes his form they are 2 seperate entities.
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That without knowing the rules of the game we don't know why mib telling Ben to kill Jacob would work and Locke pretending to be the mib and telling Ben to kill Jacob wouldn't.
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u cant pretend to be someone if ur dead. thats why mib had to assume lockes form. ben wouldnt have listened to a random new guy. the locke persona he assumed confused ben and made him fall for the mib loophole.
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Candidly, the vibe I got off the more together Charlie was not one him being an addict or suicidal.
My first thought was that he smuggling the heroin. That he might have been a mule.
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makes me wonder two things - first, was it MIB who healed his legs? coz it seems both Jacob and MIB had plans and designs for him.. and secondly, did Ben have any idea Ellie was gonna need Locke to be dead, when he heard her name mentioned? I get that a dead-Locke (pardon the pun) won't contradict your lies about why you need to go back to the island too, but it just seemed so damn "perfect" that a cadaver fit into Ellie's plan so well... -
My first Vibe was not of Non-John and Monster being one and the same. Or ALL one and the same. 3 pieces.
1) The point of showing the spent bullet, easily recovered, deformed in angle. Tis as you might expect to see if it ricocheted down off Non-John, rather than mushroomed.. as you would expect to see if it had passed through Non-John and hit the wall. But to note. Bram's shot. That weapon at that range is like to have gone right through and through a Human too.
2) The Monster manifesting outside the chamber rather than in. Did anyone see holes near the floor of the entrance? Cause, it didn't seem the Monster came from outside (Richard and the Others seemed unawares) or through the hole in the ceiling.. So. Welp. Could it have been there all along. Not Non-John or in Non-John. But maybe ON Non-John. And how many monsters are there? We have been shown the Monster separate and come back together.
3) Richard's command to hold fire when Non-John exited the statue felt less like he knew WHAT Non-John was and more like he knew what would happen if Non-John was fired upon. until... "you" .."me" Cause. Non-John, as said, is not a 'What' ..'I'm a Who' ..And Dr. Seuss smiles from whoville..
As to how the thing works if Non-John is not the Monster, well consider Rousseau's words. The Monster is a security system, designed as all security systems are; to protect something. And, as she said... It's purpose is to protect the island. The Monster protected Non-John.
ergo. Non-John is the Island in Human form.
In Christian stuff this is known as wait for it ..Incarnation. from the Latin - "to become flesh" John 1:14: "And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us." Substitute Island for Word (Logos) and there you go. To mention, Logos in the Greek, would more be defined as an "Expression of the Mind" wooo ooo ooo. How Deep does this go? Deep.
So as Bram was Jacob's bodyguard...the Monster is Non-John's protection. ..kinda puts a knew twist on John Locke in the Jesus seat of the Last Supper promo photos dodn't. And before ya wee Schopenhauerians all come a runnin and a bitchin aboot ahhh, "Not the whole God thingy again ..but battlestar galac.." yeah, yeah, yeah. I am not sayin lost is some great allegory for Religion.. I'm sayin it is an exploration of the intersection of Myth (that what we don't really know and might believe) and Truth (that what we believe and might not really know).
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There was a man sent from Island whose name was John. He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, some call the morningstar, so that through him all might believe. He himself was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light.
The true light that gives light to everyone was COMING into the world. He was IN the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. He said, "I am very disappointed in you. All of you". Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of The Island— children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband's will, but born of The Island.
The Island became flesh and made its dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only [Son], who came from the Island, full of grace and truth.
Benjamin testified concerning him. He cried out, saying, "This is he of whom I said, 'He who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.' Out of his fullness we have all received grace in place of grace already given. For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth come through Non-John. No one has ever seen the Island, but the one and only [Son], who is himself The Island and is in closest relationship with The Island, has made him known.
'He who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.'
So John Locke's mother was virgin seduced by a trickstering con-man, who had no consideration for right or wrong, only self and pleasure. And wee lil John would choose the knife rather than the compass or the Book of Laws. Would fight his path every footstep to be taken, Would be consumed by misgivings, bitterness, anger, all of his life until finally, that father who could only be described as evil would MURDER his son. And testify to The Substitute. Don't you know where we are? Well, its too hot for heaven.... And the Other's are.. well, ya know.
...See how much fun ya can have if ya use Sunday School as a quiet place to sober up from the Pub. To note, had I did that to certain other religious texts.. I'd be under fatwa right now. again. -
u never disappoint brotha!
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It was invalidated or something, IIRC.. actually, speaking of, there's a new one that forbids going through those crazy full-body-scanimajiggers...
so glad I don't live in certain countries
jus remember to keep the Pub and Sunday School separate - it's mandated in your constitution that way!
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Something else. Something different. The 'Other' guy... Maybe. Using a process that might be as much mechanical as mystical to recreate the circumstances of a Jesus. Ah, where the hell is Sam Neill when ya need him
Nice catch of the fatwa ref. You are one in a very large number that would have got the point of that post. Satanic Verses indeed. And, It was 20 years ago today...Sgt Pepper..oh wait a second ..Feb. 14, 1989, the Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini issued a fatwa calling for the death of Salman Rushdie for mocking the 'Messenger' in the Satanic Verses. And while Khatami 'eased' the fatwa, IRNA confirmed a few days ago the fatwa is still in force. But he still got to bed Padma Parvati Lakshmi while lookin like a dirty ole bum and that ain't too shabby is it now
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i actually can understand a FAUX post lol!! just kidding. im just gald Faux and I arent at a "pub" or "bar"....prolly would make sense of each other except through the RIKKI BOOOOBIE excerpts....lol
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returned to food and Ricky Bobby.. It's just like the Highlander, the best movie ever made..and so, I'll say grace.
Dear Lord Baby Jesus. Or as our brothers in the south call you, Hay-soos, I jus wanna thank you so much for this bountiful harvest of Dominos, KCF, and the always delicious Taco Bell. I jus wanna take time to thank you for this wonderful family, my two beautiful, handsome, striking sons, Walker and Texas Ranger, or TR as we call him. And of course my red hot smokin' wife Carly ..who is a stone-cold fox. Mm-hmm!!
So Sad. I can quote about 4 lines from Citizen Kane and the whole fuckin movie of Talladega Nights. Thats just wrong..and yet it feels so right. And still, I can quote the whole trilogy of Blue, White, Red! In French and English. Redemption! I swear though, if we start noting and quoting 'Step-Boys' ...I am gonna shoot somethin. Pow! Pow!
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The Healing Pool closed Sayids bullet hole but left a distinctive wound. was the purpose of burning him with the hot metal to obliterate the scar and hide the evidence of the existence of the pool?Also, why was I unable to log in for several days, but now I'm back? This confuses me nearly as much as Lost.
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The 'waters of life' ..mostly, as Jack said, closed Sayid's wound. Dogen's effort to cauterize the wound was two fold I reckon..
1) To close it in the shortest course of time, which to mention coincidence, was the same thing Sayid did to Charlie on the trek to recover Aaron from Rousseau. Gun powder on the head wound? Aaahhhhh!
2) Divining a certain spiritual or ancient science state, and in both cases, magic as we know it...
Curious the frequency of Jesus wounds on this Island..ya know, as mentioned, the spear of destiny, the lance of longinus... gut cut in the lower abdominal? No? Well. As John 19:34 did say.."One of the soldiers pierced Jesus side with a spear, bringing a sudden flow of blood and water."
Sayid shot in the same lower middle area as Jack's appendix, as John's gunshot wound as Colleen's gunshot wound, as the Marshal's big hunk a metal stickin out his side in the beginning. ...As the Roman's did unto Christ. Coincidence? hmmpf.
Did ya know, Vikki, that the Romans, weary, after casting lots and drinkin wine and all that that soldiers do in the desert when bored and not wanting to be there in the first place.. were about to perform, Crurifragium.
The breaking of the legs to hasten death during a crux-i-ficition. Well, they featured him dead, so some sack of stinkin monkey guts thought he would confirm by rammin a spear into the corpse. "I have ssen much of the rest of the world. It is brutal and cruel and dark. Rome is the light."...anyhoo...some say, on that day...
Not only eternal blessings, but immortal curses were bestowed. I think all this happened. historically. For I have seen the hurt that the Desert brings. Always. I know if none of it is divine or harry pott-not magical ..but i think there is a convergence of concept.
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we would have named our kids DR.QUIN and MEDICINE WOMAN!!!! where the fuck is TR???????
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I'm mixing my zombies..
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...too easy. Although you do get points for getting both Cohen and Cotten in a three question quiz.
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....if you reversed the Blue and Nights quotes you would make both movies more interesting. Okay, mostly Nights.
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When are we going to get MIB III? I feel like we need to get MIB II's sour taste out of our mouth. Sorry. Off topic, but all this "MIB" business has got me thinking.
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Is it possible that religion is one form of the human creative gift for storytelling and metaphor that gives language meaning and thus truly does invent our psychology? Transcendental figures (like Homer, the writers of the Torah, Plato, Shakespeare, etc) created consciousness as we experience it today, and thus became immortal gods, whose insights procreate in all of us? I think this is what Emerson and Whitman believed. The island will be revealed as a primordial source of such transcendentalism. We have seen the Dharma initiative cannot tap its power with science, so I expect next it will be the turn of the religious to come unstuck. In the end, some form of transcendental humanism will win out. Either that, or some Frankenstein shit will go down with the smoke monster. Oh, I'm blathering, aren't I.
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Having sex with the smoke monster would be like watching a Terrence Malick film for the rest of eternity.
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Up above a ways Akossa asked if Miles was redundant. Having a guy who sees ghosts and one who only hears them... well, if we wanted that we'd be watching Ghost Whisperer. (Yes, I do. Sue me.)Well, this may seem like a simple answer, but 'Why have two characters who can communicate with the dead'? Because they'd be the only two characters who'd each believe the other. Try telling Sawyer you see ghosts, see where that gets you. Besides, so far his season, Hugo and Miles are a great comedy team on a show that really needs a little comedy relief now and then.
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Oh, no I remember what I tried to log in to say the other day when I was mysteriously locked out for some glitchy reason.Several of the comment in this weeks talk back complained about this being a Kate episode, being a "filler" episode and being an episode with no forward motion in whichever part of the show they like best (Locke, Ben, Desmond, Widmore, Jacob, Nemesis/Slokey/UnLocke, etc.) I have nothing to add on that topic.However, a lot of people expressed the opinion tha tthe reason they were upset about a "wasted" or underutilized episode was that "there are only 16 hours this season, there are onl 13 hours left, we need to use every our to explain all the mysteries and tie up the unresolved plot threads. Well, as is clear by the introduction of new Others and new story elements (the alternate reality flashSidewayses), the writers still have story to tell, not just story to spend a whole year wrapping up. Some people seem to be viewing this final season as some sort of sixteen part series finale. But that's not my point, either.I'm still old school. I use a VCR. Hey, I'm so poor I've never even been in the same room as a DVR. So what I do is tape Lost, then copy it over on a second machine and edit out the commercials. So all I really have to say to the Only 13hours left" crowd is, there's less time than you think. Remember, a one hour show has 18 minutes of ads. So for every "hour" of Lost you have left, you only actually get 42 minutes of show. And that includes the coming attraction and the credits. Fortunately the theme song consists of "[poom] who-oo-oosh. So that saves time.
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Over somewhere else I was pointing out that the comedy duo of Hurley and Miles have the same "superpowers" as Melinda and Eli on Ghostygirl when it occurred to me to wonder... WHY does LOST have a character who can see and communicate with ghosts that are invisible to others and someone who can hear the recently dead, if all the ghosts we see on the Island seem to actually be Smokey. Of course, Hurley did see Jacob an hour after he died, but they I think Jacob may have been a smokey all along anyway.Anyway, I was one of the gfolk hoping that Lost wold go in more of a scfi and less of an occult or spiritual direction, but it seems to me that the presence of a GhostTalker and a GhostListener on the island hints pretty strongly that spirituality and the afterlife are significant plot elements, make of that what you will.
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I appreciate your concern.
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I like the comment up thread that says having the characters behave inconsistently only goes to illustrate the consistency of the writing. Hilarious.
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until Ginnis311's second post ever.The best part about having Lost on Tuesday instead of Wednesday or Thursday is that it comes that much sooner.
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Feb 15, 2010 11:57:46 AM CST
Not another timeline but some sort of mass hallucination
by not_snitskys_fault
I'm just trying to find something else to talk about until tomorrow when this talkback gets a reset. What if the alt timeline is not a timeline at all. If everyone who was in the blast of the incident are having some sort of mass dream which will have implications in the real world. Nah, I don't really think that's it either, but I'm bored.
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If I read one more in depth review of Kate and Claire and Ethan I think my head might pop like the dude in Scanners. It seemed that it wasn't this bad when Lost was on Wednesday. I don't know why.
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see? i'm actually a cool guy until someone goes spouting off nonsense lol...unless u were being sarcastic then ME AM MAD lol !!dont think im going all soft now. i dont have DVR on my tv in my bedroom. i cant stand to watch tv in there cause im always wanting to scroll through and pause lol!
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Anyone catch Michael Emerson on 'the soup' this weekend? Basically he just showed up and acted really confused about what was happening on 'the soup'. He just kind of stood there looking confused. I thought it was humorous. Here's the link. http://tiny.cc/2quLT
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Its an 18 hour season, 2 hr premiere, 2 hour finale, but I ddigress
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Does that count Previously on Lost? Because if so, we only have about 616 minutes of new content left!
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Previously on Lost and the credits as Vikki mentioned.
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I know what you mean about wanting to pause. Well, not exactly what you mean, since I've never used or seen a DVR. But half the time I time shift - tape shows while I'm on the internets, watch them later, blipvert the ads. Then, the times when I do watch a show "live" as it's broadcast, every time a commercial comes on I automatically reach for the remote to FF it.Uh, guys, 16 episodes with 42 minutes of content (and 18 of ads) would work out to 672 minutes. If Bilboe's right and it's 18 episodes, it would be 756 minutes. Yeah, by "content" I include recaps and credits and previews.
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There are 15 episodes left. What's 15x42? Duh!
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Ha ha ha. Seriously though what Kate does this year presumably is act as a free agent between camps because it's her instinct to run and she doesn't know where her loyalty lies. This time round she maybe wants to be loyal but her friends are all fucked up and she's got some difficult decisions ahead. There will be a triangle between Jack and Sawyer and Kate, but not necessarily a romantic one. I still think that scene last week is foreshadowing Jack and Kate having to decide whether to put down Sayid and Sawyer. Oh, and to all the alpha baboons on this talkback who don't know when they've received a good kicking, hahahahahaha, it's all good.
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ginnis311 has had a second post already!It was on 9th Feb 2010 01:01:44pm.You missed it amongst all the trolling.....
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'sall I got
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Stickin here until new one falls off the Top 10. Thought I'd give the new TB a chance last night, but the brite lites of being #1 on the Top 10 have attracted the worst of the worst of attention seekers. If they follow, do not respond. Thanks!
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Hope you are well. all right then.
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Just had to take a breather from that shit fest TB. It's dead to me until it drops off.
My Mom's in the Alzheimers Dementia ward, so I can relate to your plight, brutha. Us 40 something dudes gotta stick 2gether. Lol! -
Kind thoughts back at ya, Cheif.
Question: Who? As he said he was. Who is Non-John?
Had a fun thought. What if the TPTB went all Nikos Kazantzakis ...feature:
*We have seen.. or rather are now seeing an 'ALT' or different version of certain LOSTies we have come to know and love? Yes?
*This different version.. Good and Bad, Light and Dark, some currently grey, of certain LOSTies is due to, specifically, Jacob's touch and gifting? Yes?
*Jacob seems to be about giving folk a 'choice'? Yes?
*We learned that certain LOSTies, given a 'choice', are candidates to be protector of The Island? Yes?
*We heard Eloise speak of a proxy? Yes?
*We saw promo photos of this current season alluding to the il Cenacolo ..The Last Supper. With John in the Jesus chair? Yes?
So, what if Non-John really is Jesus?
Bad-Jesus! Duhn! Duhn! Duhn! Ya know, the one that said, "..wait a sec? You want me to do what?" Ya know, the Bad Jesus..the one who went into the garden got tempted and said, "Yeah, I guess I could hang out here a while ..beats where the other guy wants me to hang"..The Last Temptation of Christ...but now, not a dream of Good Jesus on the Cross. It really happened.
What if Christ and the Anti-Christ were the same man. I mean you always expect the Anti-Christ to look like Sam Neill. But what if they both looked like Max von Sydow, young Max von Sydow..or Jim Caveziel, OR better yet Jeffrey Hunter. Cause remember where he wound up in the Star Trek 'pilot'.
Jesus / Non-Jesus ..One was resurrected, the other married a hottie named Magdalena. Lived. Died. normal. Confined in the 'smoke' of the Island. "Cause tha's all there bloody is.." (more on that theory later)
It doesn't have to be Jesus. Any saviour will do. Non-John could be the opposite side of Good Moses / Bad Moses. Good Buddha / Bad Buddha ..And here is a fun one, Good Jacob / Bad Jacob ..or Good Newton / Bad Newton. ..or Dave. In each case one 'choose', in exercise of free will, to accept his determined destiny, his path. In the other 'iteration' one choose to not accept his determined destiny, his path, rather to live life according to will rather than any grand design or all encompassing equation.
And every time one of these significant 'candidates' flitters off and 'chooses' ..poorly. We get a new iteration that eventually must be reconciled, balanced ..course corrected.
I put all of this in 'GOD' terms and such, cause for most it is still the coin of the realm, the language of the empire, a common vernacular. Solve for 01. It could just as easily be a self aware computer program, a Swiss Patent Clerk's equation, something so massively alien to our understanding of existence we can't register the hertz.
Something to think about. Next up. The Island as Saviour Boot Camp -
My fear has always been LOST would turn uber-religiousy in it's 'grand scheme'. My own religious beliefs (or lack thereof aside), I have a hard time believing that TPTB will turn this show evangalitical on us at this late date...even as a 'surprise twist'.
In the end, this show is for "Joe & Suzy Sixpack"...and a religious based conclusion will only serve to make this show's finale more polarizing than it already will likely be, or NEEDS to be.
That's NOT to say I don't think LOST will stray into GOD vs MAN daliances. But, I have a feeling it will side more on the Greek/Egyptian mythology...(hence all the hieroglyphic references), rather than envoking the BIG "G" or his 'special son'....let alone a 'evil' version of said saviour.
The "Last Supper" promo shot you mentioned (which is my current screen saver), I believe to be a cheeky nod to LOST's overall themes of good & evil, light & dark, benevolence & betrayal, redemption & damnation. Also, it's a clever way to esemble all the relevant cast members of this season in an easily recognizable setting.
Do I think it means we should brace ourselves for a biblical finale of "Ten Commandments" proportions? I do not.
Jacob & Non-Locke WILL be revealed to be 'special'...that is not in question. But I don't think making them a split personality of our LORD will be on the agenda.
I DO, however, believe that Jacob is the bad guy...and not vice versa.
Interesting to think about. But I think Darlton will steer clear of getting too biblical as the show winds down. I'm thinking more mythical than biblical.
That said....anything is possible. I don't think I'm alone when I say there will be a shit ton of eye rolling from disgruntled fans (me included) if they are taking the show to Nazareth Land in it's final hours.
I liken it to the Soprano's finale...where, instead of that lame 'cut to black'...we see Tony donning a collar and entering the ministry at the very end. Followed by a resounding "Where the fuck did THAT come from?" from fans.
Sorry, Mac...Not buyin into that. But I am interested in your Boot Camp theory!
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That would have been actually.. kind of awesome.
-The persistent drive of Science.. and LOST.. don't try and be 'Right', try and be LESS 'Wrong.'
As we typed about before, it is the First Principles. We saw a plane break into three pieces and people and a dog survive. No science for that short of character imagination or mental illness; is than better than the fantastical of Religion or Mythology?
I disagree about what "Joe SixPack" would find eye-roll-ey. But, don't focus on the 'Jesus' terms in the equation... only try to imagine the truth. There is no spoon.
Yin and Yang - Two sides, one light, one dark..of the same individual. The Island is the scale. The balance. In each case one iteration 'chooses', in exercise of free will, to accept his determined destiny, his path. In the 'other' iteration one 'chooses' to not accept his determined destiny, his path, rather to live life according to will rather than any grand design or all encompassing equation. Example: Desmond in circumstance of both.
But. On which side of the scale is Jacob's touch tipping?
I gave you the example of Bad Newton / Good Newton ..maybe should have used Good Moses / Bad Moses in historical context..less almighty. And as Ben said, "He gets marched straight up here as if he were, Moses"
Imagine there came a time when Moses had to 'choose' to fulfill his destiny, turn his back on privilege as a Prince of Egypt, accept servitude to lead his people out of bondage. Suppose he had said, "nope, I'm good with the palace and fair maidens and all." And the law was never given.
Where would the world be? Egyptian? Enslaved or Enlightened? And what if that is what we are watching, the efforts of not a benign or at least neutral entity course correcting our universe... but something more malevolent, less neutral ..hmm like Pharaoh's wizards conjuring to return Prince Moses and his progeny back to Goshen. "You weren't supposed to leave." Imagine it in the 'coun'tra-pose, somewhere on the island there might actually be a Good Hitler who choose to reject destiny, saying "I think this painting thing is for me!" or Good Atilla...or Good Genghis ..or Good Stalin. Good Mao... who never inflicted the harm that they did, due to their 'choice' to follow their destiny, their nature, their path. OR. vice-versa. And if that is so are the Bad or Dark 'iterations' of certain folk really that?
It goes back to my pebble and boulders in the river post ..(which, now, how did that happen to wind up in the deleted scenes of Season Five.) The River must flow. It's course decided. A pebble (certain individuals) cause barely a ripple in the River. Some, are Boulders. And by 'choosing' not TO OR TO serve their purpose in Destiny, Grand Design, Ultimate Equation, whatever, man, HAMLET! DAMMIT! ..by falling into the River never the same crossed twice ..alter a course ...that must occur. Or else. Worse.
Nosebleed. Hurley was right... "We all died, dude"
Still up - Island as more than Boot Camp ..."Q-Course" -
"Our Mission is to make you FAIL!"
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