Feb. 7, 2010, 3:43 p.m. CST
Eat a dick Cap!
Feb. 7, 2010, 3:48 p.m. CST
by Spifftacular Squirrel Girl
Does this also mean that Bucky's in the film? Could be some really interesting stuff going on here. <p> Also hopes this means we'll see a young Sgt. Nick Fury too.
Feb. 7, 2010, 3:50 p.m. CST
That's very exciting news; I love the idea of, to whatever extent possible, these movies all being part of the bigger Marvel universe, and this will add tremendously to it.
Feb. 7, 2010, 3:51 p.m. CST
It's a weird amd wonderful time for movie fans.
Feb. 7, 2010, 3:51 p.m. CST
For whatever reason, I always remember "Whizzer" when I hear the name Invaders. What a mort. So, I think we can assume first half of Capt. America will be standard origin story, and end will be big ol' superhero battle raid with the Invaders going up against Red Skull and his Nazi boyz. I bet The Invaders all end up getting smoked in the film and Captain America falls into stasis only to be picked up in The Avengers movie.
Feb. 7, 2010, 3:51 p.m. CST
If it has a good storyline and it's not all effects!
Feb. 7, 2010, 3:52 p.m. CST
And since he's *always* been Namor (unlike the Golden Age Human Torch, who's different from the FANTASTIC FOUR Human Torch), I can pretty much guarantee you won't see him in The Invaders.
Feb. 7, 2010, 3:54 p.m. CST
It's the most fucking obvious choice ever. People are talking like the Red Skull is some obscure character...he's Captain America's arch nemesis!!! Where's the "scoop" in that? It's like saying it's a surprise that a Batman movie would feature the Joker as the villain. Anyways, seeing the Invaders done proper on screen would be cool. I have a feeling like they are just going to be underdeveloped cannon fodder. Seeing Namor in WW2 and bringing him back as the same actor in the Avengers would be hawtttt though....Quinto as Namor?
Feb. 7, 2010, 4:01 p.m. CST
But will the Nazis have any super-baddies for them to go up against besides Red Skull?
Feb. 7, 2010, 4:01 p.m. CST
Feb. 7, 2010, 4:01 p.m. CST
Feb. 7, 2010, 4:06 p.m. CST
I hope we see Captain America, Bucky, Torch, Whizzer, Miss America, and Union Jack. That would be sweet.
Feb. 7, 2010, 4:09 p.m. CST
Is there a site anywhere that lists the rights holdings for various characters? It sure is confusing. I've heard the X-Men characters rights revert back to Marvel if no movie is made featuring them with a certain timeframe. Would the same apply to Sub-Mariner? If so, since there has been no film, one might wonder if those rights are still held by Fox. <p> And whoever sold off all the rights to the Marvel characters...man, you really effed up big time, buddy. A guess there's a lesson in it for future character-based properties: don't give away the rights in perpetuity. If you must sell rights, make it for a one-and-done movie with a very finite timeline, after which full rights are restored to the creator/originating company. It just seems like the Marvel folks made some very, very bad deals.
Feb. 7, 2010, 4:12 p.m. CST
a Brit version of Cap, so you too can get excited about this movie and we can squeeze out a few extra UK dollars (er, pounds?). Y'know, like how Hollywood turned G.I. Joe into a multinational team so anti-Americanism can be diluted a little when it comes to foreign box office. And geeks, it's comic canon, so you're happy too, right? Awesome!
Feb. 7, 2010, 4:15 p.m. CST
Make him some sort of Robot and make him full stop the human torch. Marvel should not have to apologize for the pulp roots of it's properties. As long as the filmmakers do it organically and matter of factly the audience will follow.
Feb. 7, 2010, 4:15 p.m. CST
less of his face. The more the hero's face is covered by a mask, the cooler he is. Superman? Corny. Batman? 60% cooler, at least. Spider-Man? 100% cooler. It's science.
Feb. 7, 2010, 4:17 p.m. CST
These characters/costumes won't translate to film...especially if set in 1940's Europe.... I predict failure.
Feb. 7, 2010, 4:19 p.m. CST
Feb. 7, 2010, 4:21 p.m. CST
Let's fill up our superhero film with a bunch of second-rate sidekicks, and then put him into another film with four other starring superheroes. Overstuffed? Hey, it's Hollywood.
Feb. 7, 2010, 4:23 p.m. CST
by Ferd Philbie
UNIVERSAL does, unless something has changed recently. The SUB-MARINER movie has been in development hell at that studio forever. Google it.
Feb. 7, 2010, 4:23 p.m. CST
by Rob in WI
RE: Namor, are you sure that Fox still owns that property? I thought it was a part of the group that was sold back to Marvel.
Feb. 7, 2010, 4:29 p.m. CST
Fuck no. They don't get my hits.
Feb. 7, 2010, 4:31 p.m. CST
Thank GOD he's one of the people in the lead for this role...the others mentioned have been terrible - he's the first decent choice that's been mentioned (and since he's read for the part, this project may not wind up sucking). Fuck Leo...fuck Damon and the rest...cast RYAN.
Feb. 7, 2010, 4:32 p.m. CST
I think that applies to all Marvel characters which is why Spiderman & Daredevil reboots are in the works. Fox has to continue making movies indefinitely no matter how crappy or cheap they are. By the time these characters eventually revert back to Marvel, Fox will have run these characters into the ground, destroying any goodwill the general audience had for them. But for a corporation like Fox, it's better for your competition to have intellectual properties that are damaged goods than strong ones.
Feb. 7, 2010, 4:33 p.m. CST
Feb. 7, 2010, 4:42 p.m. CST
news regarding this movie.
Feb. 7, 2010, 4:48 p.m. CST
According to an interview with Joe Johnston with Hero Complex for the L.A. Times, that's where Cap gets his start and his colorful uniform: while serving in the USO. The uniform will change during the movie, starting with the original design and becoming more like the Ultimates version. Also, expect a casting decision on Cap by March 1! They've got 5 actors in mind, from ages 23 to 35. Steve Rogers pre Super Serum, will be a combo of SFX and the actor. (I would think something along the lines of "Benjamin Button", putting the actor's head on a scrawny physique.) The Invaders is a great idea, and there's a lot of potential for set-ups and spin-offs if they do it right! Sounds good so far...
Feb. 7, 2010, 4:48 p.m. CST
This is the kind of news that gives me hope that they are not totally fucking it up. Union Jack is awesome.
Feb. 7, 2010, 4:53 p.m. CST
Why the hell are people excited about Cap meeting up with a bunch of super heroes? No one is going to know who they are. Will their backstories be explained? Will Cap take centerstage and the invaders be expendable, or will Cap just join up? Either way is stupid. <p> I was hoping for some real Cap behind enemy lines, times are tough, I'm all alone time and getting some inspiration from a captured soldier to kick some ass. Or just some cool Captain America time. I don't want Union Jack, Original Torch and Namor popping up and distracting from Captain America's story arc. <p> They'll probably even link them as the "original avengers" <p> Also, go back in time and ask a comic book nerd who the obvious choice for Iron Man's nemesis is. Do they say Obadiah Stane? No, they would say The Mandarin. Red Skull is obvious, but the movie industry doesn't always make that choice. Getting Red Skull is nice...it could have been Winter Soldier (not a bad choice either..maybe they'll wake up Cap in the 80s to fight him). <p> now please, let him really be "red skull" and not "guy with a mask"
Feb. 7, 2010, 4:57 p.m. CST
...not so much. I wonder what they'll decide on CA's outfit, I mean you have to change that shit to make it cool, but it's going to be hard to stay true to the character because he's always worn the same cheesy costume.
Feb. 7, 2010, 4:59 p.m. CST
Don't get me wrong, I think having the Invaders in the movie is super-chubby, but... Why can't Cap stand on his own? Be the solo star of his own movie? It's bad enough that the film is being tagged "The First Avenger"... It's as if they don't think Cap's got the history or merit to be his own entity.<p>I can understand the possible overseas backlash, but that's not what I'm talking about. I'm addressing the larger issue of not giving Cap the proper spotlight. Batman wasn't "The Dark Justice Leaguer".<p>Anyway, I'm cautiously optimistic about this movie. Cap's my all-time favorite superhero, so I desperately want it to be good.
Feb. 7, 2010, 5:06 p.m. CST
Just because its the obvious choice it doesn't mean its the choice thats going to be made. Just ask The Mandarin.
Feb. 7, 2010, 5:06 p.m. CST
too much going on...ONE HERO, ONE VILLAIN...that it IT!!!!!
Feb. 7, 2010, 5:07 p.m. CST
too much going on...ONE HERO, ONE VILLAIN...that is IT!!!!!
Feb. 7, 2010, 5:20 p.m. CST
Let's have a dozen main characters! We all know how well that worked with Wolverine, X Men 3, Spiderman 3 and Batman and Robin. What the fuck are they thinking? Why won't these fucking people ever learn?
Feb. 7, 2010, 5:33 p.m. CST
by Bruce of all Trades
As a lifelong Marvel fan (with Captain America being my favorite as a child), I'm concerned about how this is going. I love the fact it'll take place in WW2 (how could it not after all?), but having this many superheroes is overkill...Btw, Mandarin hasn't yet been a foe in the Iron Man films; they've set that up for future releases since it's now a franchise. It's possible they think Ol' Cappy is going to be one and done. They're not even giving him his own film really. Future films for the Marvel icon might be delegated to Avengers sequels. Yet, Iron Man wasn't even half as well known as Captain America outside of Marvel fans.
Feb. 7, 2010, 5:36 p.m. CST
To fix empty Subject Line!! *shakes fist*
Feb. 7, 2010, 5:38 p.m. CST
by Margot Tenenbaum
...Warner Bros. will be inspired to do a WW II-era Wonder Woman movie.
Feb. 7, 2010, 5:49 p.m. CST
i hate that fox owns anything. in fact, i wish those fools would sell marvel back everything they own and then just put that money into avatar 2 and leave us alone for a couple of years.
Feb. 7, 2010, 5:50 p.m. CST
i hope they make that adjustment to suit. take off those fruity ass wing ears.
Feb. 7, 2010, 5:56 p.m. CST
People overseas are likely hesitant to go see such a patriotic American hero. Maybe will be more inclined to go if Cap is a part of a broader international co-effort. Sad, but true.
Feb. 7, 2010, 5:57 p.m. CST
The "Invaders" was my favorite team book back in the day, particularly the Baron Blood issues, which Byrne tied in nicely to his run on Cap. Johnston is a fantastic director. I really dug "The Rocketeer" and "JP3" was the leanest of the three. Really looking forward to it. Just put the Falcon in the sequel!
Feb. 7, 2010, 6:15 p.m. CST
by Super Joker
It'll likely be based on Ultimate Captain America, with allusions to the Invaders in the story at some point. It won't be overkill, and it'll probably be toned down a little comparred to the book. That's my prediction anyway. It has nothing to do with International sales or political crap like that. A good Captain America story will sell over seas. American audiences probably don't want the patriotic flag waving right wing boy scout version of Cap either.
Feb. 7, 2010, 6:25 p.m. CST
Nothing wrong with going back to the roots of the character and the other Invaders are welcome company. Let's hope the story is as compelling as the characters.
Feb. 7, 2010, 6:26 p.m. CST
These are all obvious attempts to de-Americanize Captain AMERICA. I'm surprised this movie is getting made at all.
Feb. 7, 2010, 6:34 p.m. CST
Many things is wrong wit this movie... first i dont like cap so i am biased against this failin despite the fact i like MU actually bein a universe... sec, Cap sucks... third, he really sucks... fourth, why even make a solo hero movie then include five other heroes? its dumb and YOU ALL wil complain if this is ever released... fifth, Cap is really really gay almost as gay as JettL and the new gayer JettL (i believe the one on the tbs now is a fake, i dont ever recall the old gay Jett bein somewhat racist (his comment bout black entertainment in the SNL tb))... either way i hope Jet and Cap choke to death while they 69 each other
Feb. 7, 2010, 6:43 p.m. CST
I do think they are trying to broaden the international appeal, and if the film wants to be successful, thats what needs to happen. We live in a politically correct mad world unfortunatley, it's a shame , but thats just the way it is now. They are going to have to try very hard not to make the film a live action version of Team America
Feb. 7, 2010, 6:46 p.m. CST
How are they going to pull off Namor w/ Speedos and ankle wings without looking silly? This movie also sounds like it could possibly be suffering from the "too many known characters" syndrome, as well. Way too many especially for an intro movie.
Feb. 7, 2010, 6:47 p.m. CST
I fell asleep watching it twice. Dull, dull, dull. Even if the props were awesome, the episode was dullsville.
Feb. 7, 2010, 6:47 p.m. CST
practically valueless characters<p> They got a bunch of masks from the bargain bin
Feb. 7, 2010, 6:52 p.m. CST
Feb. 7, 2010, 6:54 p.m. CST
by Stereotypical Evil Archer
Feb. 7, 2010, 6:54 p.m. CST
Captain America is nothing more than a steroid freak. I am tired of all the attention that he receives as a great hero. He wanted to be big and strong so he took the easy way out and injected himself with a steroid. It's that simple. There's nothing heroic about it.
Feb. 7, 2010, 7:07 p.m. CST
Feb. 7, 2010, 7:21 p.m. CST
Feb. 7, 2010, 7:21 p.m. CST
Complain that putting the Invaders in the movie is for "International appeal". Is it so hard to understand that there is a duality to things in life and what we expect form something isn't always what we get?<p>The "American Ideal" is not necessarily what we get from the U.S. government. Captain America represents these ideals, not the failed decisions of politicians. Cap will always do what is right and just.<p>Oh..and "Steriod Freak"? Gimme a break. If you can't get past the serum then please, by all means, kill yourself. Was a radioactive spider ok with you? Did getting toxic waste in someones eyes bother you too? Maybe comics aren't your thing.
Feb. 7, 2010, 7:23 p.m. CST
by Stereotypical Evil Archer
Feb. 7, 2010, 7:26 p.m. CST
must be the first comic character who used anabolic steroids to enhance his body.he is such a hero.
Feb. 7, 2010, 7:34 p.m. CST
They could do the golden age Vision on the team, or they could skip the confusing continuity of the original Human Torch being remade into the Silver Age Vision by having Horton build the S.A. Vision directly (assuming they don't have the android Torch, or just go with the human Toro).
Feb. 7, 2010, 7:35 p.m. CST
let the cgi do the rest.
Feb. 7, 2010, 7:44 p.m. CST
Cool idea, it's shame they all have to die
Feb. 7, 2010, 7:45 p.m. CST
Cap was accused of being a roider and it concerned him<br> He had Hank Pym cleanse his blood<br> His body then began to replenish the components that were removed.<p> Bottom line was that the super soldier serum wasn't just a serum<br> It was a serum + an external process that changed a human at a fundamental level and made them fully optimized.<p> Genetic tampering would be a better analogy<br> And for the sake of the story that would still be incorrect
Feb. 7, 2010, 7:51 p.m. CST
by Stereotypical Evil Archer
Wrong term. My fault.
Feb. 7, 2010, 7:53 p.m. CST
Namor is likely under the Fantastic Four deal with Fox, as the CHUD article notes. Likewise, I think they're right that Toro is more likely than the Human Torch... Even though the golden age character is separate from Johnny Storm, I have to assume that Fox could argue a claim to the name.
Feb. 7, 2010, 7:54 p.m. CST
was the Vita-Rays. It's not really a fair statement to say the Super Soldier Serum was really "steroids." There are TONS of superhero origins that involve exposure to a chemical or some sort of genetic modification...
Feb. 7, 2010, 8:09 p.m. CST
by Dreadlock Holmes
I'm with it. Like his character on Chuck.
Feb. 7, 2010, 8:30 p.m. CST
i hope you have no clue, because those are the GD stupidest names for heroes I've ever heard- i don't give a shit if Bendis or Brubaker thought them up. And the last ish of Powers had a WW2 thing going on so... LOVED the Invaders when I was a kid(Frank Robbins issues, mind you, particularly the UK centered ones with Union Jack/Baron Blood)so the news they're in the film WAS awesome, but if it's Union Jack plus a buncha made of "Avengers" from around the globe, then....
Feb. 7, 2010, 8:39 p.m. CST
once again...a reboot/reimagining is a total failure.
Feb. 7, 2010, 8:40 p.m. CST
Feb. 7, 2010, 9:07 p.m. CST
FOX has the rights for any of the characters that originated in Fantastic Four, so as Namor existed beforehand they can't claim the character. But they do get the Skrulls and Inhumans.
Feb. 7, 2010, 9:10 p.m. CST
I'm not a fan of the Chris Evans version. Hellboy has better effects for what a person on fire would look like in my opinion.
Feb. 7, 2010, 9:12 p.m. CST
So damn annoying.
Feb. 7, 2010, 9:15 p.m. CST
just don't lose focus. When Colossus popped up in the X-Men movie the first time it was awesome and the fact that you only saw him for a few shots made it even greater. Like a crack dealer with that first free hit I was desperate to get that next fix.<p>Same should go for this movie. Oh there is union Jack. There is Spitfire. Dish it out sparingly. Less is more.
Feb. 7, 2010, 9:16 p.m. CST
i hate nazis, and i hate how people glorify them. its bad enough Hitler was the bastard son of a ROTHSCHILD, and not a day goes by that we do not see some kind of news item about the nazis or Adolph Jacob Hitler. enough glorification of Rothschild ideas, i say lets let the fuckin nazi story die, and with them the ideas of rothschild elitism. the more people talk about them, the longer their message sticks around.
Feb. 7, 2010, 9:21 p.m. CST
The only one to think that Jet is an imposter? and to think, i resurrected him...
Feb. 7, 2010, 9:25 p.m. CST
Both would be great in different ways. No Pitt or other superstar please.
Feb. 7, 2010, 9:35 p.m. CST
How is it that this movie is turning out so cool? They're making all the right decisions, something comic book filmmakers are NOT known for.
Feb. 7, 2010, 9:36 p.m. CST
You don't even have to give any backstory to them, just set up Rogers becoming Captain America in the first half, then on his first big mission overseas, have him be the American contingent of a multi-continental superpowered strikeforce against Hitler: England's Union Jack, Atlantis' Namor, make the Human Torch... I dunno... FRENCH... 'cause he's flaming, and then set the team loose on the Nazis and the Red Skull, with the main focus on Cap kickin', flippin' and slingin' across Europe!<p>Anyway, it looks cool on the cartoon I've got running in my head right now! PLLLLEEEEEEEASSSSSSE be that cool... PLEASE!!!! XD
Feb. 7, 2010, 9:43 p.m. CST
do you live in the Fatherland? wtfuck?
Feb. 7, 2010, 9:47 p.m. CST
But the cartoon in my skull's pretty dang AWESOME! It's in Blu-ray on a Samsung 66" LED screen... :)
Feb. 7, 2010, 9:48 p.m. CST
And no, I DON'T care that the character's supposed to be an English Lord in the 1940s!
Feb. 7, 2010, 9:54 p.m. CST
Just sayin'... T'Challa's grandpappy had be doing SOMETHING while Rommel was screwing around in North Africa! Give Michael Jai White a ROLE, Marvel!!! >:O
Feb. 7, 2010, 9:59 p.m. CST
Look him up... he's PERFECT and does flawless British, American and Russian accents! If he accepts, I get 10%...
Feb. 7, 2010, 10:07 p.m. CST
I feel confident this movie'll be a HIT! :)
Feb. 7, 2010, 10:28 p.m. CST
by Adelai Niska
have the whole movie be period, end it with cap getting frozen, and then right before the end credits to a bald man facing the other way. Someone says "You're not going to believe what they found in the arctic!" and Nick Fury turns around, revealing modern New York outside his window. End movie.
Feb. 7, 2010, 10:32 p.m. CST
In a recent interview with the LA Times Joe Johnston, director of the upcoming Capt. America movie, said Cap's costume presented them with some problems. However, with some "creative" thinking they were able to solve them. "The costume is a flag, but the way we're getting around that is we have Steve Rogers forced into the USO circuit. After he's made into this super-soldier, they decide they can't send him into combat and risk him getting killed. He's the only one and they can't make more. So they say, 'You're going to be in this USO show' and they give him a flag suit. He can't wait to get out of it... So he's up on stage doing songs and dances with chorus girls and he can't wait to get out and really fight." "When he does go AWOL, he covers up the suit but then, after a few things happen, he realizes that this uniform allows him to lead. By then, he's become a star in the public mind and a symbol. The guys get behind him because he embodies something special." Anyone else having Spider-Man 3 flashbacks ?
Feb. 7, 2010, 10:46 p.m. CST
Awesome news, this is. I'm a believer!!!
Feb. 7, 2010, 10:53 p.m. CST
I second your Black Panther nom and casting.
Feb. 7, 2010, 11:54 p.m. CST
I've been reading Iron Man since ~1980. There are literally a half dozen other names for Iron Man villains that popped into my head before Mandarin: Obidah Stane, Ghost, Whitney Frost, Justin Hammer, Dr. Doom, Crimson Dynamo & Bilzzard. <p> <p> Were I to make a FAITHFUL Iron Man movie, I'd be reluctant to even think of using Mandarin. Cool rings aside, he's a whole lot of stereotypes rolled up into one. Never mind the fact that he, along with Yellow Claw, are basically just Fu Man Chu ripoffs. <p> <p> To me, the most obvious choice for the Iron Man villain WAS Obidiah Stane. Issue #200 of Iron Man stands out as one of the all time greatest Iron Man issue ever. From the debut of the new armor to the final confrontation, that issue was tops. I only wish that the movie had stayed more faithful, allowing Stane to commit suicide. Apart from that, Stane always ranked higher for me since he was essentially Tony gone bad. Doom was also a great IM enemy over the years too, in spite of being tied more to the FF.<p> <p> As far as Red Skull, the costume, & the Invaders go.....<p> <p> You can't tell a WWII story without the Nazis. You can't tell Cap's origin without Red Skull. To do otherwise would be franchise suicide.<p> <p> The morphing of the costume from fatigues to classic to Ultimate makes much more sense since Millar & Hitch set the bar for Cap in the 00s. Besides, can you actually see the wings working on screen? Anybody who has seen the Matt Salinger Cap would probably agree that they nearly rank up there with the god awful rubber ears.<p> <p> The prominence of the Invaders makes a lot of sense too. This is more of an issue of forethought than anything else. Think of the Invaders as the big screen prototype for the Avengers. In part, it breaks viewers into the whole colorful team visual - which was missing from the X-Men movies. Additionally, it sets the up the underlying motivation for Cap wanting to join another team once he's in the 21st century. The Invaders are the bike with training wheels.<p> <p> I think that the Invaders lineup might not be so obvious though. I'm counting on some surprises. Here's what I'm guessing:<p> <p> - Bucky: Obvious. Must have because of the way Cap gets frozen.<p> - Spitfire: Obvious since every team needs a hot chick and Miss America is too much, conceptually, like Cap.<p> - Union Jack: Obvious since we're talking about a war with the allied forces.<p> - Toro: The Jim Hammond Human Torch would be nice, but I'm betting that Marvel may want to skip the Human Torch code name just to avoid basic confusion. Many film viewers are dumb as shit. Toro will take Torch's place. Jim Hammond may even be renamed Toro for this flick.<p> - Destroyer: This is a shot in the dark. The character even originated from the same Golden Age period. The Modern Age version was even the brother of Spitfire. I'd probably include the Golden Age Keen Marlow version, as he kicks a whole lot more ass, especially in his recent MAX mini-series. Destroyer could be the team's strong guy, which the time might otherwise lack.<p> <p> So, there it is. My lineup for the Invaders would be: Bucky, Spitfire, Union Jack, Toro, & Destroyer.
Feb. 8, 2010, 12:21 a.m. CST
His rights are at Universal, but so are the Hulk's. If a deal was worked with them before, it can hopefully be done again.
Feb. 8, 2010, 12:22 a.m. CST
...that the one issue of Invaders I ever owned is the one they choose for the cover. I must've bought it off of the strength of the iconic image... but, I was like 5, so who knows.
Feb. 8, 2010, 12:27 a.m. CST
I thought you were joking about the director and filmmakers turning Cap into a USO dance member, with his classic uniform being his dance outfit, but I just read the damned LA Times article with Joe Johnston!<p>What the HELL are they thinking??? U.S. troops are going to follow some guy they know from USO dance routines fighting the Nazis in his stage leotards??? Why are turning this into a sad joke? :(<p>Forget it... just kill the Invaders idea now. If you can't even get the lead character right, they'll just screw them up, as well. The cartoon in my head just died, and the Reb Brown TV movies from the 70s are starting to look pretty good right now.
Feb. 8, 2010, 12:31 a.m. CST
'Cause I doubt the military would supply this Super-soldier they wasted so much time and money on, then stuck in a chorus line to "keep safe," with an actual indestructible shield. What would he need it for? Fending off tomatoes and rotten eggs?
Feb. 8, 2010, 1:04 a.m. CST
While Old Fury Is Black.
Feb. 8, 2010, 1:28 a.m. CST
This is cool-ish news though, anyway, though I'd rather The Invaders just popped up as a little subplot. The risk is that this movie turns into "Mystery Men" with a whole host of (to Joe Blow) unknown superdudes and -dudettes clogging up the screen. I hope The Invaders are just the Torch & the Sub Mariner. Or Sub Mareener, as I used to call him.
Feb. 8, 2010, 1:44 a.m. CST
not to worry. Bob Hope wasn't doing any singing and dancing in the USO. The dancing girls are probably just one part of the show. There is NO WAY they have Cap queering around a USO stage. He probably just struts out to inspire the troops and then fucks 3 broads onstage to show the boys "how its done".
Feb. 8, 2010, 1:46 a.m. CST
Namor is set-up at Universal, as Mostow worked on a script, at the same time Fantastic Four was finally filmed/released. Unless Mostow and Universal are misinformed, they should still have the rights.
Feb. 8, 2010, 2 a.m. CST
I wanted it to be a WWII drama, like Saving Private Ryan or the Sands of Iwo Jima with some superpowers, not Cap and a bunch of D-list obscure Marvel characters. I can't judge it until the movie is made, but with these lame characters playing such a big part this just doesn't sound good. <p> Maybe Marvel will somehow retcon the Nextwave version of Machine Man into this team, kind of like how Fox crammed the Blob into Wolverine's origin...
Feb. 8, 2010, 2:10 a.m. CST
Cap leading a band of badass GIs on a secret mission into Nazi Germany would rock, like in the first issue of Ultimates. I'm afraid Union Jack, Torch, Whizzer, and Ms. America would just camp it up a little too much for the first film. <p> I can even see maybe encountering them as cameos, but to feature them in the second half of the movie just sounds like it would be all kinds of lame and an attempt to put a more "international" flavor on the movie (ala that bastardization of GI Joe from last summer). I've got reservations here. When, in the history of comics, has anyone ever cared about most of these characters? <p> I'm not sure I understand the way that trademark law works, but I think the original Human Torch might still be off limits because of the common name and powers set. Even though both are Marvel properties, I think Fox might step in and sue on the grounds that a cinema version of the original Torch infringes upon their licensing deal for the FF.
Feb. 8, 2010, 2:12 a.m. CST
Why make Cap part of the USO tour? To "hide him in plain sight"? Once he went on his first mission in costume, him hiding in the USO would be worthless... people would KNOW who he is. It'd make more sense to just have him be a regular "GI Joe" amongst thousands of others who gets into uniform when he's sent on special missions.<p>Or, better yet, just make him a full-time secret weapon who's sent by the military to specific trouble spots to take care of business and forget about a "secret identity" altogether! The whole USO idea seems far more contrived and silly than the filmmakers believe his costume is.<p>What filmmakers just can't seem to get into their thick skulls is that if THEY take the characters seriously and treat them so, the AUDIENCE will. No one laughs at Chris Reeves' Superman costume, Lynda Carter's Wonder Woman bikini, the Spider-Man costume or the TV Flash's outfit. All are just as "outlandish" as Capt. America's uniform but audiences accept them as part of the story being told and suspend their disbelief because the material's treated more or less seriously. Having Cap perform in the USO to explain his costume is just plain goofy, and won't help audiences take him seriously.
Feb. 8, 2010, 2:14 a.m. CST
...Invaders are there to reintroduce Namor for his own movie.
Feb. 8, 2010, 2:57 a.m. CST
hey, i read somewhere that lucas chose a name because of some bully in his school that wrote down Bob A. Fett everywhere, the bully's name. so lucas goes in there, and 'glorifies' a bully by naming Boba Fett from star wars after him. now, this bob a. fett, who messsed with george as a kid, gets to brag to everyone, 'im boba fett!' my theory on the elitist nazis and hitler is similar just on a grander scale. never mention them ever again. by talking about them over and over and over again, every day more bullshit about hitler and his brainwashed nazis. im sick of it. im sick of war! so if we never mentioned them, never wrote about them, and just ignored any reference to them, their 'legend' dies. right now, the media 'empowers' nazis by constantly reminding us every single day about them. if no one ever mentioned hitler again in 'popular' culture, if we never had a tv network [history channel] basically dedicated to that fucking scumbag, people would forget about him, and we could all move on. the quicker we ALL forget about him, the quicker we truly 'kill' him. because right now, his 'legend' lives on in infamy, all over the news, the media, magazines, moves, video games, action figures, etc. we need to kill hitler all over again, so he dies once and for all. fuck hitler and his elitism, let him die, and let his name be ERASED from history. that is truly the way to win against his insane bloodline.
Feb. 8, 2010, 3:09 a.m. CST
Ignoring Hitler, the Third Reich and their crimes is a stupid idea. They're almost universally-despised in popular culture, if not society in general, for the simply fact that we DO keep their misdeeds in the public consciousness. As soon as people forget or ignore the horrors they committed, people will begin to think "Maybe they weren't as bad as everyone claimed."<p>Dumb idea of the week.
Feb. 8, 2010, 3:42 a.m. CST
LA Times interview tells us Joe Johnston hates Cap's uniform, so he's gonna make Cap hate it to. Then, after the government made Cap a 'Super Soldier', Joe Johnston says he's gonna make him a USO performer 'singing and dancing' with Bob Hope (direct words). And then they have Cap go AWOL! WTF?! If they hated the character so much, they shouldn't make the movie. And, AICN does a great job of trying to cover Johnston's ass by not mentioning his total lack of judgement...
Feb. 8, 2010, 3:56 a.m. CST
Feb. 8, 2010, 3:58 a.m. CST
by Darth Scourge
Awesome that the Invaders are going to be included in the flick. They're part of Cap's WW2 heritage. They're in there not so much to broaden the international appeal of the movie, but more to reflect the fact that WW2 was of course after all a GLOBAL conflict. And the costume designers better not fuck with Cap's classic suit.
Feb. 8, 2010, 3:59 a.m. CST
I am so pumped for Captain America and to think ten years ago I didn't rate this hero.
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Feb. 8, 2010, 4:14 a.m. CST
THIS COULD POSSIBLY BE THE GREATEST SUPERHERO MOVIE EVER!!!! ...and then I realized Joe Johnston was directing :(
Feb. 8, 2010, 4:41 a.m. CST
...and make the Invaders all Jewish and they go around killing Nazis....already done? Also...hallmitchell? Perlman? Hasn't he done enough parts in red and heavy makeup? :D
Feb. 8, 2010, 5:02 a.m. CST
America Ferrera to play his braces.
Feb. 8, 2010, 6:02 a.m. CST
Chin bitch gotta get paid !
Feb. 8, 2010, 6:59 a.m. CST
That grown-up people actually have an opinion about this...
Feb. 8, 2010, 7:05 a.m. CST
Given the PC nature of Hollywood I would think that the name will be changed to Captain Freedom or something else equally goofy.
Feb. 8, 2010, 7:22 a.m. CST
by SID 8.0
You know I'm right.
Feb. 8, 2010, 7:26 a.m. CST
...Any more than showgirls dancing around Iron Man in the latest trailer for his movie bothers me. The point of putting him there isn't to hide him in plain sight... it's to keep from hiding him at all. He's not a "secret weapon", he's valuable propaganda. "Look at what the Americans are capable of... The Yanks are coming, so Hitler better look out!" I'm sure his point is to show off those capabilities on stage with strong man and agility feats. <br><br> As for hating the costume, Steve Rogers desperately wanted to join the fight... that's why he joined the military, and that's why he jumped at the super-soldier program when was rejected for service due to health reasons. Johnston makes it clear that part of his story arc is learning how valuable he can be as an object of inspiration and not just a fighter, and I think that's dead-on for the character. <br><br> Finally, I think including the Invaders is true to the character as well. The vast majority of World War II Cap stories have him fighting with the Invaders. The first X-men movie could have easily been titled "Wolverine" since it's mostly about him and Magneto (and Rogue, in a Bucky-sized sidekick role), with the rest of the X-men filling out the mission in the second half. Frankly, if slapping "America" in the title is going to turn off international movie-goers, I say title it "The Invaders" or really anything in those markets. What do I care what the French title of the film is?
Feb. 8, 2010, 7:46 a.m. CST
Perhaps they plan to take a page from the Wathcmen comics and movie and make the Invaders similar to the first Wathcmen. Silly period costumes and all. Remember, in Hollywoodk, imitation is the sincerest form of making money.
Feb. 8, 2010, 7:59 a.m. CST
Feb. 8, 2010, 8:19 a.m. CST
by Snake Foreskin
Robert DeNiro as Red Bull! Scarlett J as Red Skank!
Feb. 8, 2010, 8:20 a.m. CST
by Snake Foreskin
Feb. 8, 2010, 8:38 a.m. CST
That's like titling the new Thor movie THE GOD OF THUNDER: THOR or a Dr. Strange movie THE SORCERER SUPREME: DOCTOR STRANGE. Somebody needs to fix this and quick.
Feb. 8, 2010, 8:44 a.m. CST
. . .and more about Bucky. If they manage to put in the Brubaker version of Bucky (with the possible promise of Winter Soldier), then I'll be pretty satisfied.
Feb. 8, 2010, 8:48 a.m. CST
The American version, of course.
Feb. 8, 2010, 8:58 a.m. CST
In this fashion, Marvel keeps the door open to do additional Invaders stories--- if the audience interest is there. This presents a number of possibilities after the Avengers movie comes out. <br> <br> At the same time, Marvel could get away with killing off at least some of these characters--- in order to build the resolve of the Captain America character. This doesn't even touch the fact that the Invaders version of the Human Torch is now free to have a design that radically departs from the Fantastic Four version. <br> <br> With a mechanical voice, blank face, a different color scheme, and different flame design--- somebody's going to have some fun reinventing the first torch...
Feb. 8, 2010, 9:04 a.m. CST
Sounds to me like Invaders are going to serve the same dynamic that the Weapon X mutants did in the Woleverine movie. I really hope they are not taking cues from Wolverine
Feb. 8, 2010, 9:45 a.m. CST
Captain America is a great character because good writers made him that way in the past 10 years. Brubaker and Millar, in my mind, helped him make more sense, and before that he always seemed like a rather silly character. <P> What they are doing with the story and the costume makes a lot of sense to me. Cap is a hard character to sell both in the US and abroad but setting him up as part of a international team of "Avengers", killing them off then having USO treat him as a propaganda tool, winking at the silliness of the costume and creating something practical, having him go AWOL and become a war hero, then bringing him into a movie with established characters like Iron Man etc will build acceptance and interest for his character and allow him to stand on his own as a movie franchise. I dont think there is anything wrong with this treatment of the character, it sounds like a great story, and it sounds like the filmmakers have a good grasp on his character and know that it will need to be sold if people are going to buy into it.<P> Of course the question really is whether it will be a good movie, but heres hoping. <P> Oh and yes, Captain Awesome for Captain America. Best casting idea Ive heard so far.
Feb. 8, 2010, 9:45 a.m. CST
That's a typical term in these contracts, reversion of rights after a certain number of years left unused. We've never seen a NAMOR movie, so my guess is those rights may have already reverted to Marvel already.
Feb. 8, 2010, 9:51 a.m. CST
That's actually a great idea. Him singing and dancing, not so much. But having America's Super-Soldier appear at a USO show to inspire confidence in the Allies and fear in the Enemies? Great idea.
Feb. 8, 2010, 9:57 a.m. CST
Johnston commented about what they're doing with the costume. Superhero Hype . co
Feb. 8, 2010, 9:59 a.m. CST
The suit makes better sense in the comics when the people that made Cap, figure out its the best protection he can get. The best Tech that can be produced by American scientist at that time. Why would they spend millions of dollars on a super soldier program to then make him into a USO clown? Why risk that he has to make his own suit? He is not Spiderman, he has the backing of the Entire U.S. Seems to me that the writers of this mess are taking a long time answering questions and trying to fit it into a realistic world when they should be worrying about a character, and a solid story that does not waste its time worrying about where he got his boots. Make us believe it through his actions..
Feb. 8, 2010, 10:04 a.m. CST
Why are you amazed?
Feb. 8, 2010, 10:13 a.m. CST
By the Eye of Aggomotto, I command you do my bidding!
Feb. 8, 2010, 10:43 a.m. CST
Zachery Quinto = Namor Nuff said !
Feb. 8, 2010, 10:44 a.m. CST
by dale dragon
I dont mind the USO thing, it does make sense. As far as the Invaders, expect Union Jack, and some made up characters to fit with other countries. Namor would just not work, but maybe the original Human Torch would
Feb. 8, 2010, 10:47 a.m. CST
like saving Private Ryan with Cap deep behind enemy lines and vastly outnumbered. let's hope the 10 million heroes they're adding doesn't steal away Cap's ass-kicking time. <p> also, on a totally different topic, Goyer and J. Nolan are currently writing another Batman film... AICN is a bit slow again.
Feb. 8, 2010, 11:04 a.m. CST
"The First Avenger: Captain America"? As lame a title "X-Men Origins: Wolverine" was for the Wolverine movie at least it made some sense - they can make a bunch of "Origins" movies, each one called" X-Men Origins:" followed by the character they are doing an origin of. How many "First Avenger" movies will there be? I'm guessing, by the word "First", it won't be any more than one.<p>I really don't get the reasoning for "First Avenger" in the title. Do they really think anyone here or overseas who would be turned off by a movie called "Captain America" would be significantly more inclined to see the movie if it also has the word "Avenger" in it? Sure, call it "Captain America meets a Naked Megan Fox" and they most likely would get a few Cap haters to go see it. Adding "First Avenger" to the beginning of the title isn't going to change anyone's mind. So why not, as mentioned above, make the title a bit less clunky. Move the words around to get "Captain America: The First Avenger", or change it to "Captain America & The Invaders", or go the X-Men route with "Avengers Origins: Captain America" or more simply "The Avengers: Captain America". However, since no matter what the film is titled, everyone's going to just call it "Captain America" anyway, so go with that - simple and straightforward.
Feb. 8, 2010, 11:20 a.m. CST
Of all your suggestions I think Avenger Origins makes most sense, but Fox came up with the Xmen Origins thing so I guess thats out the door. Really its about marketing, obviously. Selling this character internationally will be tricky. Really, they should have come up with a subtitle for every movie starting with Iron Man and Hulk and should do something with Thor coming up. I doubt they will, at the end of the day I think they are selling Cap as not his own hero but always part of a Team, trying as much as they can to put a spin on his character that will appeal to international audiences as much as possible. Good example, if there was a character called Captain France they would have to try pretty hard to market him in a way that would get Americans to go watch that in theaters heh
Feb. 8, 2010, 11:22 a.m. CST
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Feb. 8, 2010, 11:23 a.m. CST
prob wouldnt be very popular in the US either.
Feb. 8, 2010, 11:49 a.m. CST
by jasper Stillwell
..a mental image of Namor, the Torch etc flying in an overhead shot a la Alex Ross and got very excited about this. Golden Age heroes? On screen? God, I'm in. Destroyer, Angel, Whizzer...bring 'em on...this would really be a superb marker of the period. Mind you, Favreau was worried about Thor?!? This could really backfire unless handled very carefully indeed.
Feb. 8, 2010, 12:30 p.m. CST
It will be even more confusing to have Toro with the Torch's powers. People will think hes a knockoff. He might as well just call himself "The Human Torch". Someone just has to say "Haven't I heard of you...", then he replies "Yeah, but I'm the Original". Or something like that. <p> Cap in a USO show? Good grief. He should start off with a "regular" suit, then receive the Captain America suit from a supporting character as a gift when they die
Feb. 8, 2010, 12:40 p.m. CST
who read superhero comics in the late 30's and early 40's. I know this from talking to my dad's much older brother years ago; my uncle was 18 when he was shipped off to Europe. My dad read Marvel comics in the 1960's during the Vietnam War (he joined the Army, as he thought he'd be drafted, any way). His favorite book was The Incredible Hulk, because he frequently did battle with the Army. <p> The point I'm trying to make is, these guys wouldn't have been embarrassed by superheroes.<p>Hell, the wings can work. Just make them look like silver hood ornaments. I guarantee if they make a Flash movie, no one will be crying about his lightning bolt ornaments on the sides of his cowl.
Feb. 8, 2010, 1 p.m. CST
what sort of experimental machinations or super powered beings the Red Skull will have for all these good guys to battle? <p> i'd prefer it to be regular nazis vs Cap but if they have all these heroes in it then they'd better up the ante on the Nazi side too.
Feb. 8, 2010, 1:07 p.m. CST
by Green Arrow
just like in the funny books.
Feb. 8, 2010, 1:09 p.m. CST
Feb. 8, 2010, 1:10 p.m. CST
The first 20 minutes of Wolverine were decent. Once Ryan Reynolds was off the screen it sucked hard.
Feb. 8, 2010, 1:15 p.m. CST
was right after the movie was over - me at the pub trashing it with my pals.
Feb. 8, 2010, 1:20 p.m. CST
I don't believe you.
Feb. 8, 2010, 1:24 p.m. CST
How are they going to make the shield work without it being ridiculous? When he throws it, doesn't it come back to him like a boomerang and hit multiple people in one throw sometimes? If that happens it will look stupid as hell and make zero sense. If they go more practical, he just uses the shield for protection and single tosses (having to go and pick it up each time) it would seem pretty pointless, especially if his suit is bulletproof (which it should be.) Any ideas on this guys?
Feb. 8, 2010, 1:29 p.m. CST
You haven't read the comics. Captain America was created as an angry response to Hitler. They have him punch Hitler in the face in the very first issue. Before America had even joined the fight! To think the military would waste their Super Soldier as a 'singing and dancing' propaganda tool is dense. They wouldn't waste a multi million dollar experiment that way. To think so is nuts. If they want a singing dancing clown in a flag suit; hire an actor! Costs WAY less. The origin is very clear in the books. He was created to kick Nazi ass! It's shows a lack of respect to the character (and why he was created) and to the audience (we don't need some long winded explanation to know Captain America wears tights). He should be trained as a Super Soldier and lead an elite squad of soldiers to hit specific targets. How in the hell is he supposed to learn how to fight if he's getting hit with a pie by Bob Hope?!
Feb. 8, 2010, 1:35 p.m. CST
they need to show extended training sequences with Rogers, he needs to be training with his shield at all times with the scientists explaining the vibranium aspect of the shield, and that it will be able to rebound after it hits it's target. <p> it's not too ridiculous, hell...just picture Thor standing next to Cap. not so ridiculous at all anymore
Feb. 8, 2010, 1:44 p.m. CST
completely agreed about the stupidity of the USO idea. he is there to fight the Nazis, not to entertain like fucking court jester. right after he is properly trained in combat and tactics, he should be released into the fight wearing the WWII ulitmates suit with the cool goggles, etc. as he's crushing nazi skulls and breaking arms with his shield throws, they could have a voice over about how he will be a living target to save the lives of the young GI's. hence the stars and stripes. solved.
Feb. 8, 2010, 2:29 p.m. CST
I was thinking about how cool it would be to get some Union Jack-action going on in this movie. To me, this is great news. <P> Also, if Cap goes AWOL (To save Bucky, perhaps?), then perhaps the Invaders will come in to take him down. Cap vs. Union Jack? I'd buy that for a dollar! etc etc.
Feb. 8, 2010, 2:34 p.m. CST
...then there's a good chance you're being a Chicken Little. People freaking out because of some barely-given-context comments by the director? Must be the internet. I could think of plenty of valid arguments for going the USO route with Cap after the super-soldier program is sabotaged. The most obvious? If you have *one* prototype of a technology that, if mass produced, would change the tide of the war then the one thing you probably *shouldn't* do is send it on high-risk missions behind enemy lines. So yes, if you need to justify the War Department giving you the resources you need to rebuild your Super Soldier program, then you're going to show off your prototype in a way that doesn't risk it ever falling into enemy hands. And if you're looking to tell the story of a young man eager to get into the fight, you have him chafe at being sidelined even after being given the power to make a difference, to the point where he disobeys orders and joins the fray anyway. And because it's Captain America and not Wolverine or 800 other cookie-cutter gritty action heroes, you also show how he is recognized by the troops as more than just a bad-ass operative, but as something more symbolic and how that inspiration can be more powerful and change the tide of war more than any serum ever could. If this is the story you're looking to tell, then yeah... the USO route isn't a bad way to go.
Feb. 8, 2010, 3:11 p.m. CST
is there for comedy's sake, and that's all. Cap going AWOL just doesn't sound good to me right now...if he must, he should be going AWOL to get into the fight, like maybe there's a dire situation that needs his kind of super soldier help. USO show just sounds lame and a waste of valuable Captain America-busting-Nazi-skulls screen time.
Feb. 8, 2010, 3:12 p.m. CST
i hope to hell i'm wrong. i so want this to kickass, more so than any other Marvel film.
Feb. 8, 2010, 3:28 p.m. CST
Johnston clearly states his intentions for the character. He says the only way in their mind to justify the uniform is to make him sing and dance in the USO. Read the article yourself. That's just B Movie storytelling if you ask me. It's going a very round about way to explain the uniform. Instead of just giving him the uniform and letting him kick ass (as his legendary origin story says the military does), they have to do some crazy mental gymnastics to get him in the suit. Makes Cap a minstrel show, and no movie I wanna watch. Waste your money, if you want. But, I'll hold off till they do the story justice...
Feb. 8, 2010, 3:43 p.m. CST
I don't know why, but everytime I hear somebody mention the name of the Superhero named "Whizzer" I picture some costumed guy filling up with beer before unleashing his super power.
Feb. 8, 2010, 3:46 p.m. CST
How hard do you think it is to write a script that pleases the studio AND is as true as possible to the source material? On this kinda project I would imagine it's damn near impossible. <P> Not to mention that the origin story is 60+ years old and the storytelling of the time was...let's say weak by today's standards.
Feb. 8, 2010, 4:04 p.m. CST
...as "barely-given-context". If you're going to swear off ever seeing the movie based on a snippet of information casually given during a question and answer interview for "The Wolfman", before the Cap movie is even cast let alone shot, well... you'll have to forgive me for finding that something of an over-reaction.
Feb. 8, 2010, 4:07 p.m. CST
There is this guy named Christopher Nolan being interviewed about heading up a new Batman film. It starts off with him saying "So Batman's costume resembles a bat, but the way we get around that is..." The spectacular idiocy of Hollywood logic just can't ever be overestimated. Why a character named CAPTAIN AMERICA being adorned in the AMERICAN FLAG (set in the 1940s no less) is something that needs to be justified, is one for the books. The laugh out loud irony here of course is that the USO plot device contrived to explain the costume is waaaay more silly and inane than the costume is presumed to be. And lets for a second take a look at the idiocy of that presumption. Does anybody remember the overwhelming reaction to Robert Downey Jr. in that bright red and gold tin suit being,"thats to cheesy". The formula for the successful modern comic book movie has been established and more importantly PROVEN many times over. When the filmakers take the characters and the material seriously, the audience does too.
Feb. 8, 2010, 4:24 p.m. CST
i think Christopher Nolan would put Cap in the suit without ANY apologies, and it would fucking rock everyone's minds. if only he could be cloned. Nolan is the steve rogers of cool directors.
Feb. 8, 2010, 4:28 p.m. CST
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Feb. 8, 2010, 4:32 p.m. CST
that makes Jonathan Nolan Bucky. ouch.
Feb. 8, 2010, 4:37 p.m. CST
The whole film was a justification for why Batman is dressed up as a bat. We see every aspect of his costume being put together and justified and what's more, he remove elements that make less sense in real life (blue and gold coloring on the costume, boomerangs, a car with a bat-motif, Robin). Scarecrow's mask is explained. Ra's Al Ghul's "immortality" is explained away. Every single aspect of the character is given some kind of justification to work in the real world.<br><br>Additionally, Captain America, unlike Batman, isn't a loner who can indulge in whatever crazy quirks he wants to... He's a soldier. It's not unreasonable for the filmmakers to think that in order to make that work for wider audiences they would have to come up with a reason why his government would want to dress him up in a theatrical costume.
Feb. 8, 2010, 5:13 p.m. CST
Very good points you make there. I'm actually very impressed with the justification they came up with for Cap's costume. I didn't think it was possible to explain the outfit, but this angle works nicely in a way that does not seem forced. It fits the period and the character. Im now more convinced that they'll do a decent job with this movie based on how careful they're being with such details.
Feb. 8, 2010, 5:14 p.m. CST
was explained and justified because it's cool and interesting. bats didn't need to become a busker or clown before he fought crime. <p> a USO show isn't the only way to sell the idea of dressing up Cap in his costume. there are lots of ways to do that without comically embarrassing situations. <p> they need simply to drive home the point of Cap being a human target to draw away fire from the troops. he dresses in brighter colors for that reason, and to psychologically undermine the enemy one word gets out that he's a badass, unstoppable super soldier. <p> PLUS he's a symbol to uplift the troops, they'll fight that much harder in Cap's presence - much like Ceasar's men fought harder when Ceasar was with them in battle wearing his trademark red cape.
Feb. 8, 2010, 5:43 p.m. CST
Because he is, and always has been, a complete dick...a stuck up, fatheaded moron who doesn't listen to anyone. I always find it hard to root for him, and if written correctly, he has the potential to completely steal the movie away from Cap. If there has to be a Sub-Mariner film (which, I don't really care one way or the other about), let's see how he does on his own (the way he would prefer it I'm sure).
Feb. 8, 2010, 5:57 p.m. CST
to get his body and mind to reach perfection whereas Steve Rogers only needed one injection.<p>If Steve Rogers didn't have any doubts volunteering for the "Super Soldier" project, he wouldn't have any wearing the costume the gov't asks him to wear either.<P>If PC Joe Johnston and Marvel are afraid to let Captain America throw his mighty shield (don't want to "offend" the rest of the world), then they shouldn't make it. Maybe Joe Johnston and Marvel would be more comfortable making a "Captain Planet" movie instead.
Feb. 8, 2010, 6 p.m. CST
It's really just being used to set up the garishness of the costume. It's purely political propaganda. In that regard, it makes perfect sense. During his USO tours, Cap is going to realize he can do far more than just be a piece of propaganda and actually do something in the fight against the Nazis. The USO just is the initial means to get him in his (ridiculous) costume and in the battle. As I said earlier, the costume will then evolve, to become less garish, more practical and more like Ultimates Cap. Relax! All is well...
Feb. 8, 2010, 6:01 p.m. CST
I've said it before and here it is again. Get Alexander Skarsgård from Generation Killl to play Cap. I think this dude could seriously pull it off.
Feb. 8, 2010, 6:01 p.m. CST
Nolan gave real world practicality to all of Batman's GADGETS. The "justification" for his costume was a succinct response that was all of 2 lines. "Why bats sir?" "Bats frighten me." "It's time my enemies shared my dread." All besides the point of course because justifying Cap's costume isn't really what Johnston is doing. He's just using a thoroughly unmodern character as a clumsy little tool to inject his own thoroughly modern cynicism. Whether Joe, you, I, or anyone else in today's culture thinks draping oneself in the flag is "cheesy" is irrellavant. The question is whether a soldier in 1940s WWII era America would find it so. And thats what's supposed to be on screen.
Feb. 8, 2010, 6:03 p.m. CST
Maybe they can allude to him being pissed off and pouting elsewhere during the Invaders scenes. Hard to imagine the Invaders without Namor.
Feb. 8, 2010, 7:18 p.m. CST
You might be thinking of Burton's Batman. Nolan's Batman listened to a ton of exposition during training as a Ninja about "theatricality". He wears a cape, not because he's the goddamn Batman, but because when Gordon chased him up onto the roof he almost didn't make the jump across the alley to the fire escape. So he got some "memory cloth" that changes with an electric current to help him glide. His car has a turbine not because it's the goddamn Batmobile, but because it was half of a military bridging contraption. He dresses as a bat not just because bats scare him, but because of another batch of exposition mumbo-jumbo about facing and overcoming his fears and how fears control criminals. Nolan's Batman Begins was the most exposition-filled, everything-must-be-justified superhero movie ever made. It was good too... but that's what it was.
Feb. 8, 2010, 7:18 p.m. CST
Let us take a moment to thank the good lord that 90% of the comic book fan population does NOT have a say in this movie.
Feb. 8, 2010, 8:01 p.m. CST
Because if there's one way to not completely fuck up a comic book movie, it's to throw in a huge supporting cast of heroes with too little time to be adequately introduced. Why don't they just call "Avengers Origins: Captain America?" Are they really hoping for that Union Jack spin-off?
Feb. 8, 2010, 9:19 p.m. CST
...You're mistaking the injection of realistic function and practicality into his gadgets, for the IMAGE the character uses those gadgets in service of. The explanaion of electric current receptive memory cloth gives you the plausible "how" for a guy being able to glide on bat shaped wings. It has nothing to do with the "why". Why of all the glide, float, or fall break friendly shapes he could've crafted into that memory cloth did he choose bat wings. Of all the colors he could've made it why black. Why scallop the ends of it. Because that was expositorally explained as the most practical and funcional design??? No, because the character chose to assemble the cape and all the rest of that practical functional plausibly explained tech into the image of a bat. And that "why" is directly asked and directly answered in 2 lines. "Why bats sir." "Bats frighten me." "Its time my enemies shared my dread." Sorry friendo, but I just don't see this as on par with some lame "isn't this silly" wink at the audience conrived plot device to "get around" Why a character named Captain America is draped in the star spangled banner. I don't see the costume as something that needs to be "gotten around". I find the presumption that it is, despite all recent "silly costume" successes to the contrary, ridiculous.
Feb. 8, 2010, 9:37 p.m. CST
Why a bat wasn't 2 lines... it was the whole frickin' movie. Falling in the cave, being attacked by bats, being scared of bat costumes at the opera leading to his parent's death, and then an entire movie plotline that harps again and again and again and again about controlling fear and using it as a weapon, and ninja advice about being unseen and using theatricality and then justification for every last bit of his outfit and accessories. *THE WHOLE MOVIE WORKS OVERTIME TO JUSTIFY WHY THE MAN IS DRESSED THAT WAY* Again, Burton's Batman had a quick reason... *He's Batman*, and he's messed up. Nolan examined it into the ground. <br><br>As for the USO stuff being some "silly... get around", that's the Chicken Little in the argument. There's no reason it can't all be part of a lesson about the power of symbolism and patriotism (which was a huge part of USO shows) in the same way that Batman Begins harps over and over about "fear", which is the whole reason Bats dresses the way he does.
Feb. 8, 2010, 10 p.m. CST
Pearl Harbor happened, so Americans did their duty because it was the patriotic and right thing to do (defeat the Japs and the NAZIS).<p>People defending the BS PC USO storyline are either embarrassed to be Americans just like the people making this movie or don't know the history of the character.<p>The more logical point of Steve Rogers questioning himself about being Captain America would be in the Avengers movie since he is a duck out of water.
Feb. 8, 2010, 10:08 p.m. CST
First of all, I would like to comment on Chewtoy's last post; I think that Chewtoy is missing the point all together. Christopher Nolan did not have to "get around" Batman's uniform/costume. He, for the most part, stuck to the essence of the character, not re-wrote his history. For God's sake, the uniform is part of the character. It has been a constant trend among crappy Hollywood superhero films to fix what is not broken. I am paying money to see the story of Captain America, not an "interpretation" of Captain America. How can you modernize a character that was "born" in the 1940's. That defeats the purpose. I'm not going to go off on a tangent about patriotism, it is already implied in the words "CAPTAIN AMERICA." What people have to realize is that these justifications are not true to the characters or the storylines that we fell in love with. It is a gimmick to get people in the movie theater so that they can MAKE MORE MONEY. When you go home from seeing this movie, what are you most likely going to tell your friends about? Are you going to spend time telling them about how cool action sequences were, or are you going to think that it is cool about how they wasted time creating a pointless story plot device that takes time away from the action. I would like to mention a few examples of some of these director types getting around some things. Let us look back a few years when they decided to give the X-Men tight leather outfits. Though it was a decent movie, it left a bad taste in my mouth. How about the 2003 Hulk Movie, let's justify, or get around his behavior with DADDY ISSUES! That worked out fine! Let's get me started on the last Wolverine movie. Ok, once again, let's fix what is not broken and change a story that was very good into a story that sucked in order to justify or get around stuff. That is just lazy and insulting. Did anybody think that Superman's outfit was rediculous when they saw it? Is Blue, Yellow and Red tacticle? NO, but it didn't need to be "gotten around," it was formula. Same thing about Spiderman and Iron. Neither really make sense, but they are a part of a time tested formula. Why fix it? If you need to get around things, you should not be interested the character in the first place.
Feb. 8, 2010, 10:46 p.m. CST
Feb. 8, 2010, 10:54 p.m. CST
Look, I honestly think you're all crazy. I'm happy we'll get the real Cap costume in the movie, pirate boots and all, before it has to be "Ultimatized". I think the plot as described is a fine mechanism for Steve Rogers to go from wanting to just be in a uniform just like all his fellow soldiers to seeing that there's a power in the symbolism of the flag costume. Obviously, some of you just want to skip ahead and take that all as a given without it being a lesson learned onscreen. Fair enough. Sorry you won't enjoy the movie
Feb. 8, 2010, 11:01 p.m. CST
... Lets calm down on the straw man "chicken little" talk. A human head can in fact hold a couple of thoughts or more at the same time. I can see this USO plot device as a silly contrivance driven by a disproven presumption, and still reserve overall judgment of the film as a whole until I see it. And once again, plausible expository explanation of function and methodology and the image that its used in the service of are not one in the same. Falling in the cave getting scared at the opera,and fear as a weapon were characterizational touchstones that were hit and encapsulated in the aforementioned 2 lines. They hardly took up "the whole frikkin movie". But again its all besides the point given whats really driving this nonsense. The same reason the latest superman had to fight for "Truth, Justice, and All the rest of it..." It just seems to me that if there's one movie in which unabashed sentimental ra-ra unapologetic patrionism should be portrayed, its a movie about character named CAPTAIN AMERICA!
Feb. 8, 2010, 11:10 p.m. CST
...Then why go to all of the trouble making him an actual "super-soldier"? I mean, seriously... if the U.S. simply wanted a propaganda tool to stir the troops, they could've just hired an actor or muscle-man. they wouldn't have underwent the huge expense, time, risk and secrecy to develop a near superhuman just to waste him in a traveling pep rally. This whole USO plot device is just stupid and makes little sense.<p>If the filmmakers are ASHAMED of Cap's proudly wearing the nation's colors as a uniform, just come out and say it. Don't turn him into a joke and use the character to reflect your OWN disdain, like so many of Cap's comic writers have.<p>Ahhh... what'm I saying? It's Hollywood. Maybe it's just a liberal thing. >:P
Feb. 8, 2010, 11:17 p.m. CST
All do respect to your opinion, I see your point...But it's good news they're not heading in that "ra-ra unapologetic patrionism" direction. They're actually putting some thought into this one. Be grateful.
Feb. 8, 2010, 11:19 p.m. CST
In the original WWII Cap comics, Cap was stateside initially, serving as a propaganda tool and fighting Nazi spies. Operation Rebirth was supposed to make a whole army of super soldiers, instead they got one. The Army wanted to use him as a symbol. The use of Cap in the USO makes sense in that context. For anyone who thinks it is stupid, I suggest you actually look at the WWII history of the character.
Feb. 8, 2010, 11:29 p.m. CST
Since it was CLEAR in the first issue in the 1940s that Cap was the only one after Prof. Erksine (Reinhardt... whatever) was murdered during the experiment. He was both a symbol AND a soldier, but the entire purpose of creating him was to FIGHT... hence the term "super-SOLDIER".<p>Your explanation sounds more like one of the numerous revisions of the character created since the 90s.
I didn't mean that he was never used as a soldier. He was based in the US and went on missions as required. Initially, this was fighting Nazi spies.
Feb. 8, 2010, 11:47 p.m. CST
--Steve Rogers desperately wants to fight for his country. Being weak and sickly, however, he is rejected from serving in the armed forces.<br> --He is offered a chance to join the Super Soldier program and jumps at it despite the danger to himself. The serum succeeds beyond his wildest dreams, but the program is sabotaged after he gains his powers.<br> --Even though he is now more than fit to serve, the army dashes his hopes again by deciding that they can't risk him behind enemy lines until they can replicate the serum.<br> --He is relegated to performing in the USO to boost moral for those who do fight. Instead of a serviceman's uniform, he is given a theatrical costume. He hates what it symbolizes to him... that he's not a real soldier, and does not see the value it any of it.<br> --One day, seizing the opportunity to finally pitch in and lend a hand in action, he throws a uniform on over his outfit and sneaks out to join in battle, against orders.<br> --While fighting, his costume is revealed. He is surprised at the reaction of his fellow soldiers, as it serves to rally and inspire them, giving them hope and courage to fight on to their objective.<br> --He goes and redesigns the costume to be fully functional in the field instead of something for the stage. He understand the power of the symbolism now, that men will rally around it, the hope it gives and the inspiration it instills. It's not for a simple propaganda show now. He doesn't wear it because some commanding officer told him to, nor is it merely there to draw fire away from others. It's now something he believes in, and something he will fight for, and the role he will play to help his countrymen.<br><br> I don't see anything unpatriotic in that scenario. I don't see anything that suggests the filmmakers are embarrassed about America. I don't see anything that isn't Captain America in there.<br><br> Of course, I could be wrong. That might not be the way it plays out at all. My point is merely that it's as plausible an interpretation as any of the scraps of interviews that we've gotten,and so I can't really understand why so many are quick to damn it for going in some assumed other direction.
Feb. 9, 2010, 12:28 a.m. CST
...and I'm not exactly a guy that gets misty during the singing of the "Star Spangled Banner", is that if you gotta tone down the patriotism in a movie called Captain America, then maybe we should be making Captain U.N. For what its worth Chewtoy, I can appreciate your learning and earning the patriotism and symbology angle. It's just that the language and tone I get from that interview just don't suggest to me that that's where Mr. Johnston is coming from. The character is draped in the American flag. So lets craft a whole subplot just for the purpose of getting in our cynical little "isn't this a goofy concept?" jab. Nevermind if thats completly disingenuous to the era and culture of the character and universe being depicted. Once again, the need for justifying the costume is only legit if you buy into the diproven need for justification. Tobey Maguire's red and blue long underwear, Christopher Reeves' red knee boots and cape, and Robert Downey Jr's red and gold tin suit prove otherwise.
Feb. 9, 2010, 1:18 a.m. CST
by juice willis
Before we get to harsh regarding the motivations of the filmmakers, let's remember that Marvel's own Ultimates spearheaded the move to a more "practical" Cap uniform. I think Chewtoy is on to something, and I only hope the film plays out along those lines. Cap's still gonna be sporting the stars and stripes. Personally, I'd love to see the vintage WW2 uniform from the opening battle scenes of the Ultimates.
Feb. 9, 2010, 1:28 a.m. CST
by juice willis
Captain America running around in buccaneer boots and tights, with wings on his head and chain mail would be the equivalent to having Iron Man sporting body conforming, "muscled" armor with exposed eyeholes. I'm all about keeping the characters pure to the comics, but as it's been said so many times on so many threads already... something's got to give when these characters are inhabiting a live-action setting.
Feb. 9, 2010, 4:07 a.m. CST
by Darth Scourge
Cap's uniform was always intended as an iconic rallying symbol and inspiration to those soldiers and allies he fought alongside in WW2. It doesn't need explaining, or trivializing in the movie. He's the Sentinel of Liberty, an icon, and his suit reflects that. J.J. and the costume designers for this movie better not fuck with it.
Feb. 9, 2010, 6:35 a.m. CST
They're needlessly changing the story because they don't trust the character and the audience. All this crap about symbols is a bunch of PC garbage. Read Captain America #1: He isn't stateside. He's not paraded around like a trained monkey. He is in Nazi Germany and punches Hitler in the face! He's a damn SUPER SOLDIER! What the hell would the Military waste millions of dollars to make a damn circus performer symbol clown?! None of you defenders answer that honestly, except for this BS 'the military doesn't wanna have him die' line. That's ridiculous! Instead of putting him in the damn USO, they would TRAIN him! How can he learn to fight 'singing and dancing'?! Of course he's not gonna be a grunt! He's made to be a leader of an elite fighting squad going on specific missions. It's so dense to think the USO is the only way to explain his uniform. It's a COMIC book MOVIE!! Not Saving Private Ryan! You don't have to go on some long winded explanation of the uniform. Jeezus! Everyone knows that Captain America wears tights. Get over it. All you have to do is have some military men explain that suit is made of some awesome material that will help him kick ass and then let him go kick ass! The comics did it in one tight issue. Iron Man stuck to the origin story and it worked wonderfully! Should be the same for Cap. I mean, my God, he's gonna be fighting next to Thor! You think people are really gonna have a hard time buying the suit?! Make Cap a fighter, not a USO clown! It's dumb. Obviously! If you don't see it, you're not a Cap fan to begin with...
Feb. 9, 2010, 7:18 a.m. CST
1: Joe Johnston is no Chris Nolan. 2: At no point is Bruce Wayne ashamed of his 'ridiculous' costume; he creates and embraces it (ya know, BATman). 3: At no point did the filmmakers feel the need to have him work at a Freak Show to explain why he wears it (unless you're Joel Schumaker). Finally: this isn't some gritty reboot; it belongs to the same fun loving, ass kicking COMIC book world of Iron Man, Thor and Hulk (all 'ridiculous' looking, all beloved).
Feb. 9, 2010, 7:22 a.m. CST
Did they all have to work at a carnival to get their costumes? Is Superman gonna be an underwear model to explain his tights? Why make a comic book movie if you're afraid of costumes?
Feb. 9, 2010, 8:39 a.m. CST
Feb. 9, 2010, 9:29 a.m. CST
As I have stated before, why fix what's not broken? I hate to point out the obvious, but the story of Captain America that we all read in the comics is what got us to this point. It was not Hollywood's storytelling that gave the character his rise to fame. How many of us walked out of the new Wolverine movie disappointed to no end? I know that I did. If I had never heard of Wolverine before that movie and went to see it the way the story was butchered, I still would have hated the movie. Trust me, I REALLY REALLY WANTED TO LIKE THAT MOVIE! Or how about the 2004 Punisher movie. Let's take a character and completely change everything except his t-shirt. While we are at it, let's throw in a bunch of screen time for his whacky neighbors so that it can take away from the action, that way it can cram in more "depth" to the character that we are not really interested in or have time for. If the movie is good enough, all that stuff can be explained in the sequels. A good story does not need to be adapted and re-written. We do not need to look hard, a good story is already written. That is why it is popular in the first place. I wish Hollywood would stop processing stories into crap and serving it up on a plate for all of us hate.
Feb. 9, 2010, 9:45 a.m. CST
People who make superhero movies seem to detest/be embarrassed by superheroes.
Feb. 9, 2010, 9:50 a.m. CST
What bugs me more is the people posting on message boards suffering from Stockholm Syndrome or playing Devil's Advocate who repeat the mantra "but but changes simply have to be made to bring in the general audience." That really annoys the shit out of me.
Feb. 9, 2010, 9:59 a.m. CST
unnecessary, and ironically impractical. Black doesn't exist in nature out of doors, therefore it's easier to see at night; the military did a study and determined that pink and grey are the most difficult colors to see at night; you'll see a pinkish red in urban camouflage. Ever see the night sky over a city? It's pinkish red from from the reflecting glow of the sodium vapor lights.<p>Out in the countryside away from city lights, dark blue is a good camo, as the blue in the night sky is mirrored by everything.<p>Now, the gold belt makes sense -- ever try to find a black comb in a suitcase full of black clothes?
Feb. 9, 2010, 10 a.m. CST
cloth for the interior, if the exterior is black, or a darker color, so that it's easier to find stuff.
Feb. 9, 2010, 10:10 a.m. CST
His posts make perfect sense to me. The USO show is a good angle to take. It does make more sense. The costume IS ridiculous ESPECIALLY in a combat scenario. I think they are going in a good direction with this and if you disagree you're just being a whiny fanboy bitch.
Feb. 9, 2010, 10:22 a.m. CST
right away. They would want to replicate the results to create the army of super soliders they originally had in mind. They wouldn't toss him on the front line right away in a bright colored suit to get mowed down by machine gun fire in minutes. But yes, fanboys, you're right, let's follow his origin story exactly as it is in the comics (you know since movies and comics are the same medium and all) and have him deck Hitler in the face in the first five minutes. That would make for a terrific film going experience...
Feb. 9, 2010, 10:27 a.m. CST
than WWII uniforms, made of cotton or wool. The scale armor gives him an advantage.<p>No one is saying they want to see a spandex version -- they just want to see the classic Kirby/Simon shape, reinterpreted in sturdier materials, like the Epting version. Cap has mostly always been depicted as having a suit of scale armor. This is pulp WWII, Weird War II kiddos, even if the tone is serious. What? You want them to make The Red Skull as realistic as possible, as well? Make him wear a helmet like Raimi did with the Green Goblin? This is comics people -- the Marvel universe, not exactly ours. This is a universe of aliens, gods, demons, super-science, extra dimensions, spaceships, androids, magic, mutants, killer robots, dinosaurs, metahumans, anything and everything from all genre.
Feb. 9, 2010, 10:31 a.m. CST
and discovered that Cap with his enhanced abilities can easily take on machine gun nests, hoards of fighters and tanks.<p>He isn't afraid to draw attention to himself with the bold colors of the flag. He he is willing to take on everyone gunning for him, and he has the abilities and keen mind (superior strategic and tactical genius) to defeat them? Cap has frequently been depicted leaping without hesitation into a massive pile of AIM and Hydra troops, all aiming firearms at him, smashing and whipping them about like rag dolls with his fists and ricocheting shield.<p>If not, there is no reason to make a movie version; just make a movie about a different character: Captain Too Risky to Lose our Investment Soldier Guy.
Feb. 9, 2010, 10:49 a.m. CST
Totally agree. Why take a story thats 40+ years time-tested and twist it to make it more "popular?" It's not just arrogance, it's the Hollywood system. Out there you cant just take the source material and write a script treatment- producers, writers, and everybody else gotta get paid. They are all in each other's pockets. It's really too bad.
Feb. 9, 2010, 10:56 a.m. CST
that 2003 Punisher movie was taken from Garth Ennis's run on the series. The "whacky" neighbors were all supporting cast in the comic. The point was how Frank's mere presence was both a danger and salvation to civilians. At least in this movie we actually got Punisher in his signature shirt. Dolph didnt even give us that much. <p> BTW, that scene with the Russian was almost scene for scene from the book. How great was that?
Feb. 9, 2010, 3 p.m. CST
How do they explain the shield? Did Cap just happen to come across an indestructible shield while in his USO tour? Or maybe they gave it to him to make the show more of a hit? Cap's shield is Gov. Issued, . to fight and kill Nazis.along with his suit which should be made to protect him, and also to inspire the men in the foxholes. Not to thrill around on some USO show. If he is in the USO let him be part of it AFTER he makes a name for himself as Captain America not before, the entire thing is ass backwards and the producers seem very afraid of the subject matter.
Feb. 9, 2010, 3:14 p.m. CST
Cause we don't wanna see time wasted in a Captain America movie on Cap singing and dancing with Bob Hope. You're right. That sounds like an awesome way to tell the story... zzzzz
Feb. 9, 2010, 3:31 p.m. CST
read the source material Hollywood! You stupid asses!
Feb. 9, 2010, 5:51 p.m. CST
make The Red Skull as realistic as possible; we all know that skulls can't be red! They are ivory. The general audience couldn't suspend disbelief if his face were red.
Feb. 9, 2010, 11:16 p.m. CST
Just give him the suit and be done with it! <p> Having him singing and dancing like a trained monkey in USO shows defeats the purpose of the whole program to create him, even if "they want to protect him so they can make copies of him." Yeah, let's spend hundreds of millions of dollars over several years and numerous failed attempts (including some disastrous ones) to create the greatest weapon in the world, then make him a clown when we need him most? That is just fucking retarded... <p> Just give Cap the suit. Tell him it was cooked up by somebody in Psy Ops or something to inspire troops and civilians because he's going to be as much a symbol as a soldier. Cap makes a crack about how it looks silly and makes him a target in battle. His handler tells him "Silly or not, your Uncle Sam says you're wearin' it 'Captain America.'" Cap, being the good soldier that he is, puts it on. THE END <p> This would even work well with the context of having Cap realize just how inspirational he can be in the suit. Making it more "functional" isn't really that necessary. It was never about function, it was always about style. He's supposed to stand out as a walking American flag. <p> I just really wanted the first movie to focus on Steve Rogers becoming Cap, Bucky, the war, and the time. I'm glad this is a period piece but that doesn't guarantee a good story. <p> The coolest thing about Captain America is how he still exists as a sort of tribute to the real GIs who sacrificed everything during World War II. He's an embodiment of the ideals of that time. That connection to America's history sets him apart from all other superheroes. You can say that Spiderman embodied the spirit of confused teens in the '60s or that Iron Man brought the Cold War to Comics, but none of them exist as a tribute to the very real sacrifices of a generation of young American men and the ideals they really died for. If Joe Johnston gets that part of the story right and handles it with respect, he's halfway to making a great Captain America movie. I think he's close... but the plot as it's been leaked so far just sounds like it's trying too hard to be "a comic book movie" and not tell what could be a very poignant story that just happens to be about a superhero.
Feb. 10, 2010, 7:59 a.m. CST
March 6, 2010, 1:09 a.m. CST
Namor's got to be a part of the Invaders - he's one of the coolest characters. I met this guy, James Ryen, (who also went to OU, weirdly enough) on set and he is the spitting image of Namor. Tall, solidly built, half-Asian, and with a history of doing Shakespeare plays - he's got the voice. Super nice guy, to boot.