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Goyer Gone From FLASHFORWARD!!
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David Goyer did not make it all the way to FlashForward Day. ABC is expected to announce shortly the name of Goyer’s replacement as showrunner on the fast-plummeting ABC sci-fi series.
Goyer, who created the terrible “Threshold” and “Blade: The Series” before he created the terrible “FlashForward,” indicates he will now concentrate on his movie career.
As a director, Goyer’s feature credits include “ZigZag,” “Blade Trinity,” “The Invisible” and “The Unborn.”
As writer, his feature credits include “Death Warrant,” “Kickboxer 2,” “The Puppet Masters,” “The Crow: City of Angels,” “Dark City,” “Blade,” “Blade II,” “Blade Trinity,” “Jumper” and “The Unborn.” He also co-wrote “Batman Begins” with Christopher Nolan and co-wrote the story for the Nolan brothers’ screenplay for “The Dark Knight.”
Find the Hollywood Reporter’s story on the matter here.
New episodes of the series return to ABC March 18, at which point "Survivor" and "Bones" should obliterate any chance it had for a second-season renewal.
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Feels a little anticlimactic.
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I kinda liked Blade: The Series.
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of course when I start re-watching nothing of importance will have happened yet anyway...
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ABC is gonna lose their shit when LOST goes off the air.
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And his directing ain't so hot either.
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end it now
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I was unfortunate enough to suffer seeing that at the cinema. People actually claim the writing credit on that? It's one of the worst movies I have ever seen.
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Good mysteries, excellent writing, and awesome cliff-hangers at the end of every episode. Seriously, what's not to like? Sure there is a bit of "soap-opera" stuff but not every show can be the same... but killer and way too long break.
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Great job Herc.
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Great job Herc.
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BOOYA GRANDMA!
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I watched the pilot because I liked the book, then discovered that I didn't like the characters. Plus, the book was about the people who caused it immediately coming forward to say it was them, and the show is pointlessly focused on some FBI people. There just isn't any sense of a real global event here. Sort of like Heroes, where the pilot had one cool character (Hiro) and a bunch of shit I didn't care enough to come back for after the third episode.
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The show is not amazing, but good mindless fun and certainly not terrible.
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It's not the greatest show but it's one of the few shows influenced by Lost that seems to carve its own path.
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What of this show that you mention? I know nothing of it...
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... and teamed up with the right people for the Batman projects because the rest of his credits might as well say "by Alan Smithee"
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If you truly despise the show, man, just don't cover it. Y'know, like you don't cover Supernatural. We'll all get along fine without the hate, and you'll feel better later.
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...is one of the most underrated shows of all time. It really is. The scope and storytelling of that show is epic. Unlike, well, shit on today. Not counting LOST, the reigning KING of serialized TV. All bow down to it :| OH, you think I jest? I think not. ON YOUR KNEES, now.
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He did uncredited writing for that movie.
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he has accepted that the small screen medium is not for him there are plenty of others who should join him....but wont
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Hate Goyer for what he did to Snipes with Blade: Trinity. Promised him a love interest, then reneged as soon as they had Wesley's name on the contract. Then did everything in his power to destroy Wes' career when Snipes decided to sleep-walk through the performance.
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just 2 kewl.
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but otherwise, he's got a lot of mixed movies he's worked on. I have really failed to keep up with Flashforward. I think when the "dead" daughter turned up and had a cliche drinking problem, I just didn't want to be bothered anymore. In general, the mystery isn't that interesting either. I got real sick of everyone's problems and just wanted the flash day to happen so we could move on to a different mystery.
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Feb 05, 2010 8:30:20 PM CST
Go and look at the talkback when Goyer supposedly wants question
by hollywoodhellraiser
Talkbackers slammed his ass and instead turned it into a forum of no hold bars against Goyer!Many upon many predicted this and no one should be surprised!
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But only slightly. It had no chance as long as the original show runners were on it as they clearly hadn't a clue about good writing.
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but the overall "we're a poorly-funded rag-tag team of government people against an unbelievably powerful alien force" was a little meh
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Threshold had Carla Gugino..that luscious piece of ass was enough to keep me watching every week lol.
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Why do they have rediculous long breaks? It's just stupid. Glad I don't watch "live" TV anymore.
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is actually quite entertaining this season
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just in time, the iPad just came out, somebody needs to sell it (looks like it's gonna take some extra convincing this time)
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...when, on the night of the titular event, it showed a hospital in Los Angeles that was quiet and chaos-free as a classroom full of napping children. It was ludicrous - the day of an event like that, where thousands, if not millions, of people died because of the event, and the hospital is quiet and orderly. Just stupid.
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I don't know how he and Guggenheim even got on the show in the first place. Hollywood knows you don't have to take the writer with the idea. Right from the beginning, they shoulda bought the idea, fired those two talentless clowns and hired a showrunner with talent and competence. I'm really happy that both have since been fired, but unfortunately it's too late for this series. Now, if WB can just see that the new BATMAN films are great only because of Nolan, hopefully they'll fire Goyer's ass and we'll see what a 100% Nolan BATMAN film will be like. Fuck off back to comics, Goyer, where your 'talent' is more easily forgiven.
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untalented leech. This piece of shit has been riding better people for years, Proyas, Nolan Bros. Leaving TV to focus on your movie career? What a laugh
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Me and my friends all *loved* Flash Forward. But you know what, we don't remember heck about what happened, I doubt we'll pick it up again next frickin' month. That super long hiatus was the worst idea ever. At least use some of the extra time to show reruns or something, to get more people into the story who missed the beginning.
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Didn't realize he was such a mixed bag. Dark City and that horrible sequel to the Crow? I can understand going from Blade to Blade 3, even the series, but co-writing one of the good Batman movies and the rest of that dreck? Talk about hit and miss.
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...this all mapped out for the first 5 seasons and beyond? No making it up as they went?
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Dumb as a box of cheerleaders, but still a lot of fun. Plus, Carla Gugino... you know...
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The whole world takes a nap and 2 million people killed and by the end of the first episode no one's really shocked or awed. Plus it felt like someone was just rehashing a CSI episode.
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Threshold wasn't bad. I'd probably watch anything with Carla Gugino in it. Short guy and a non-yellow Brent Spiner thrown in for good measure. Surface was slightly better because it kept a bit of "what's under the water?" suspense while Threshold pretty much laid it all out (but sadly not Carla). Invasion was good in a moody sense but should have been more southern gothic instead of that gold-filtered CSI:Miami look.
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but there are far worse things on TV. But I doubt a new showrunner will make much of a difference.
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...started off with a cool and interesting premise. Kinda went nowhere fast after the pilot though.
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that shitty Nick Fury TV movie.Comic movie so lame it makes Dead End look like The Dark Knight in comparison.Oh and The Blade TV series wasnt that bad, it kinda grows on ya.You have to rent the uncensored DVDs to get the full effect.
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and BOOOOOOOOOOORING
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But I kind of like FlashForward. I don't wanna see its early demise.
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If only it hadn't been launched against 2 other sci-fi X-Files wannabes. Flash Forward is also good but taking too long to get where it wants to go and avoids some of the obvious questions for too long (someone should have killed themselves by the second episode).
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I thought it was a cool show and I think David Goyer's a really good writer-- read Blade-- not the greatest movie ever but he writes a la Shane Black. And he's from Ann Arbor, thus a great guy. Main problem with Flash Forward IMHO is that it COULD'VE been super philosophical/mystical whatever but they got kind of bogged down in the crime/cop aspect of it. Which is something I think Goyer is into. And I'm afraid they were afraid of getting too philosophical, and yet it totally works in Lost. Can they get a LOST guy to showrun? :(
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Great story but poorly implemented. It was still worth a TiVO. I don't know how you make that show more than a season long anyways. A good one and done season would be best.
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but yep, it's too slow and too poorly organized. Some intriguing ideas if it could get out of its own way. A pretty thorough botch job.
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I'll have to tune in when it comes back on the air.
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that a guy who is fairly talented at writing in the comic book genre can't write solid scripts.
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Has anybody contacted them yet as replacement for Goyer? I'd sense a gigantic story arc...
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would've been a polar bear in disguise... muahahaha
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was enjoyable. Not anything earth-shaking, just decent sci-fi style TV.
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I hated him ever since he lead the downfall of the Crow series with that stupid sequel (the actors were coo' but they were given a laqluster "script") and I thought it was so conceited that on disq 2 of blade trinity he interviewed himself (literally two goyers on screen uggggghhhh). That's why I hate him getting credit for The Dark Knight; I can imagine the brothers Nolan sitting together collaborating on their masterpiece and that pompous priq tossing a suggestion or two that would totally f up tdk and thanqfully being shot down by Christopher and jonathan. It irked me that while hyping up fl@$$hforward that they used his "credit" from The Dark Knight when he was prolly riding waaaaay in the back while Christopher was driving with Jonathan shotgun.
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This is overall a very good show with some very significant and annoying flaws. If you were prepared in advance to hate it, well of course you would. That doesn't mean your opinion has any firm basis in reality. It's just confirmation bias.
The central character is an unlikeable dickwad. The writing on the first three or four eps was wildly uneven, with sharp scenes undercut by badly cliched ones (sometimes involving the same sets of characters). And Mark's boss Weddick (otherwise an interesting character) has often obstructed the investigation for no good reason, causing too many plot balls to be up in the air at once. You can't tease us with the Somalia thing and then put it on the back burner when it appears to be a potential smoking gun.
What saves the show and makes it good is that it has taken a very interesting sf premise and thought it through. The imagined world is full of worked-out details, such as the Blue Hand clubs for those who believe they will be dead in nine months and are therefore willing to do all sorts of crazy shit. The show is actually exploring interesting philosophical questions of free will, determination, and causality. And there are enough likable characters (chiefly John Cho's possibly doomed cop, who should have been the show's focus) to identify with.
It's not great tv or great sf but for a dedicated sf fan it is one of the most worthwhile shows in recent memory. Too bad the hiatus will doom it. -
I was recently on a panel discussion on the show at Arisia, the huge Boston-area sf con. The panel was well-attended (even though it was insanely scheduled opposite the Star Trek reboot panel) and we had a room full of people talking mostly about the show's strengths for an hour. One of the other panelists was Sarah Smith, author of NY Times notable-book mysteries. It was actually my favorite panel of the six I was on, in terms of the quality and interest of the discussion. I think it's fair to say that the show has been well received in the sf fan community.
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I really liked the episode where the cop killed himself and the premise of the blue hand group. They only mention the Big Bad every few episodes. They also spend too much time replaying the same flashforwards because they think we're too stupid to remember that the British guy and the FBI guy's wife are together in the future. I can't remember a single character's name, either.
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It is possible to just hate the show on its own merits. That hatred doesnt have to merely confirmation of previous bias. I wanted to love this show, and was positive it would be one of the best things on TV. However, after 5 episodes or so of being exposed to Joseph Fiennes's idea of acting, seeing the wife's flashback of standing at the top of the stairs roughly 5,713 times, and cliched dialogue after cliched dialogue, I checked out.
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I enjoyed them way more than I have enjoyed Flash Forward up to this point. What's frustrating is I have a friend who says he likes Flash Forward but he refuses to watch Lost. Seriously, WTF?
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I still laugh when I think of the overacting in the scene where the main character explains why his flash forward was murky to FBI chief McGruff.
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I don't understand all the hate toward it. I hope it makes it. And I do have some hope. There were a lot of people here hating on "Castle" on now it's a hit and expected to be renewed for another year. So here's hoping Flash Forward continues.
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do you take calls? i want to grill herc on his love for all things "reality"
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That sucks to get kicked off your own show. This is such an NBC move, ABC. Goyer was doing great and the show had a really fresh feeling. The only thing wrong with this show is Joseph Fiennes overacting. Oh well, guess I can scratch that off the series manager.
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I liked this show and then it was all of the sudden gone.
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fill the void; to be a semi worthy successor. Sure it didn't exactly hit the ground running, and sure it has been seemingly walking along on a treadmill, but it was filling the void when Lost wasn't on, and it should fill the void when Lost is over. Or I was planning on it, until ABC gave it the kiss of death with this fucking 4 month long hiatus. Pisses me off so much. I enjoyed it. Oh well.
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Feb 06, 2010 7:28:51 PM CST
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by darfurontherocks2
Be careful man..... Racist comments and hate speech are cool at AICN.... Ask for a TB and you're gone! :)
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I bored of this show very quickly. They lost me with the general slow pace and an episode that seemed to be set in some sort of courtroom. I read the book instead, different and better for it.
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Terrible show is now brilliant!!!!!
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Feb 06, 2010 9:17:52 PM CST
Lindelof and cuse don't want to jump into anything like lost aga
by frodofraggins
I'm pretty sure they want time to relax and absolutely don't want their next show(s) to be as complex and involved as lost.
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I don't really have the hate for goyer as he really hasn't ruined anything I cared about. And he helped restart Batman in a great way
But Berman and Braga will forever have my disdain for Voyager and Enterprise. -
of giving an extensive resume of the guy who just got fired? We don't need to know anything about him now that the door is hitting him in the ass!
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They so have no like-LOST-complex show before their hands. It would be up to them to involve some egyptian tapestry and religion - or not! Just a little time-travelling, character-driven drama soap. Eaaaaaaasy Moneyyyy! Geeez - I love it!
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I agree with the criticism that Goyer gets (you could tell the second half of Batman Begins was his bullshit, and I have a very hard time believing he wrote anything that wound up on the screen in TDK), but the Blade Series was surprisingly good. Especially the actor/main vampire baddie Marcus.
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Feb 07, 2010 11:17:08 AM CST
You have the Winter Olympics to thank for that hiatus
by watch_the_birdie
Most shows are on hiatus, some of which won't come back on till April.
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That it's actually one of my favorites. It went so far past making any fucking sense whatsover that it's an absolute howler.
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When if your too fucking stupid to know who he is by know you can just link over to IMDB?
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I mean, I have to love the guy for his part on Nolan's batflicks and the first two Blade movies... but anything he directs is pretty bad, and his TV stuff is undeniably muddy.
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So yeah, I can't ever hate him.
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Why was Flashforward told as an FBI drama? Did they really expect to immitate the success of The X-Files? It's relatively easy to be inventive with high concept television shows. If you watch the first episode of Lost Season 2, you have a mysterious Scottish man living in a hatch, typing in a cursed set of numbers which he believes will save the world. He has exercise machines, music and a ping-pong table. He has an elaborate set of mirrors to watch the door of the hatch without giving away his presence. He has running water and a well stocked food supply which is marked with the mysterious logo of the strange research team who he was working for. The hatch has a magnetic anomaly stored behind layer upon layer of solid concrete and a series of security cameras and intercoms which suggest a possible further set of similiar stations. This is all within the first few minutes of the first episode of Season 2. The fact of the matter is that nowadays, inventiveness and good ideas simply aren't enough to make an effective Sci-Fi Drama. Flashforward sounded interesting but ultimately, there was no reason to watch. It wasn't ABOUT anything and all of the characters were melodramatic and poorly performed. It doesn't help that the FBI angle has been done to death. Imagine if Lost had been based on a group of FBI agents who were investigating the island from New York City. Funnily enough, that would have been more entertaining than Flashforward as a spiritual sequel to Lost.
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How did he do Dark City? He musta stole that from someone.
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"Goyer, who created the terrible “Threshold” and “Blade: The Series” before he created the terrible “FlashForward,” indicates he will now concentrate on his movie career."
Is the above quote a joke? Blade The Series was excellent, and until Lost came back last week, Flashforward has been the single best show on TV. I can only assume the above quote was made in jest. -
Feb 08, 2010 12:13:47 AM CST
Blade and Flashforward = terrible?? That's a joke, right?
by thefifthcylon
"Goyer, who created the terrible “Threshold” and “Blade: The Series” before he created the terrible “FlashForward,” indicates he will now concentrate on his movie career." Is the above quote a joke? Blade The Series was excellent, and until Lost came back last week, Flashforward has been the single best show on TV. I can only assume the above quote was made in jest.
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And it isn't just because of Sonya Walger and her killer rack. It is also because of her nice ass too.
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in which none of the people's visions involved themselves saying, "OH, SHIT! This is the exact time and date that I saw in my Flash Forward!" I find it hard to believe that it only took them six months to stop caring about the fact that all of humanity saw their future. Like how Penny (from Lost) is just hanging out in her teddy, flirting with the scientist guy, who is just sitting on the couch, doing nothing. All of their Flash Forwards ignore the fact that they've had a Flash Forward, which means that none of the Flash Forwards are going to happen the way they saw them.
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She has an awesome body, that Walger!!!
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The reason why nobody says "Oh shit, this is my flashforward" is because the "present day characters" are unconscious and not in control, (they are themselves in six months time, not their "current" selves) and because it is a paradox - the flashforwards will actually cause the people to be doing what the flashforwards say they will be doing. Or some shit like that. I dunno. Guess I can't explain it.
But, the wife has an awesome body. And so does the babysitter. I wish this had been made in Europe instead of the States. Then the wife's flashforward would have been her naked with the babysitter.
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They got too clever and had WAY too many Flashforwards that could only have occured because of their Flashforward (like the guy who turned black not dying on the operating table, wife having the kid coming under her care due to the FF triggered accident, the main character inventigating the FF, etc., etc.). I was really annoyed with the "it's fate", "no it can change", "no it's fate" gimmic they used as a storyline every week. I don't know why it took all season for somebody to figure out they could just jump from a building (or kill the neighbors cat, get a tattoo, or whatever other unchangeable event) to prove the flashforwards weren't fate.
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One of my all-time fav movies. Just bought the blu-ray for $7.99.
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Feb 08, 2010 1:49:17 PM CST
None of them are thinking about their flashforwards...
by jaylenotookmyjob
...during their flashforwards because when they had their flashforwards, their subsequent decisions were affected by the fact of them having flashforwards thereby negating the chains of events leading to whatever took place in their flashforwards and, probably creating one or more and probably nigh-infinite alternate timelines in which the future events seen in all the flashforwards never take place. (Whew! I HATE time travel!)
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Admittedly, it did not do enough fast enough, but it did have some cool stuff and had a lot of promise.
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