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‘Balance It Out!!’ Friday Brings Oswalt-Enhanced CAPRICA!!
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I am – Hercules!!
Yes, in the opening minutes of tonight’s “Caprica,” Patton Oswalt finally makes his way into the “Battlestar Galactica” universe. James Marsters is coming soon.
Tonight’s installment, “Reins of a Waterfall,” was directed by Ronald D. Moore (“A Disquiet Follows My Soul”) from a teleplay by Michael Angeli (“Blood on the Scales”).
In a few decades, Willy Adama’s lawyering pop will be famous for his civil rights work.
Syfy says:
“After Amanda's (Paula Malcomson) public confession of Zoe's (Alessandra Torresani) terrorist involvement, those closest to Zoe must face mounting pressures.”
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succeed. Though I do....
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both him and Louis C.K. are my favorite two comedians working right now, hands down.
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Dude, they're only 58 years from the first Cylon War and Papa Adama has to in his 40s. I don't think it'll take 50 years for him to be the civil rights lawyer referred to in BSG. I'll go with a couple of decades (~20 years). Or 2 seasons, which ever comes first.
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Galactica, Dollhouse, Sarah Connor Chronicles and now Caprica. What is with the curse of Friday night?
I don't care what anyone says, I think this has the potential to be a really great show. It's a lot brainier than anything else on out there. And the chick who plays Zoe is fucking hot! -
so actually 18 or so years before the first? I thought 'the fall' referred to the nuke apocalypse, not the first war. Could be wrong though I guess.
Only seen the pilot so far, which was...well a bit crap. I just don't see the point, the pilot contains NOT ONE idea or theme that wasn't already examined in BSG, and tying Adama so closely with the creation of the cylons just looks like it'll create continuity problems down the line. Still, I'll stick with it for another couple of eps to see what the series proper is like, but it needs to convince me its actually doing something different -
The BSG team have already proved to my satisfaction that they can't explore decent science fiction themes like the nature of identity, of soul, and what it means to be a copy of a human in a non human body.
Similar themes on the nature of identity, which can be downloaded/uploaded etc... were being explored in Dollhouse. And we all know how that fared in a Friday night slot. -
Seriously? Do people really find him funny?
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is that anyone who saw the BSG finale now KNOWS that there IS a one true God in the BSG universe. In BSG, the whole is it real/is it not/monotheism vs polytheism storylines were interesting because there was no answer, but at the end they did gove us one. The God that the cylons believed in WAS real. Now for BSG, giving an answer was a natural thing to do in the final scene of a show that was about religion, but the problem it creates is that watching Caprica you go in with the knowledge that this 'God' figure does definitely exist. Therefore, for me anyway, it robs the story of any real suspense or mystery as the audience have more of a grasp of the plot than the characters. Then, as its a prequel, the suspense is lessened already.
If Caprica wants to define itself, it needs to focus less on the overarching mythology of the cylons, and more on the characters at the centre of it all. After seeing the pilot, I wasn't really won over by any of them, so it still has work to do in my eyes. But out of interest, I will give it a couple more episodes...
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... but this show better pick up some steam quick. I liked the pilot -- especially the end segments. But this teen-angst, family drama bullshit needs to go. This show needs balls (the ones that were hinted towards the end of the pilot).
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I'm still watching.Still licking my wounds from BSG tho'.
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...that come trolling out on these talkbacks...It's amusing.
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Caprica starts 58 years before the fall (the fall being the 2nd Cylon War)
In 6 years time (or 52 years before the fall) the first cylon war begins.
If Caprica can last a few seasons we will see how it all built up to the first conflict.
A worthy series in my honest opinion. -
I concur
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Alleging her daughter's terrorist activities. And I hate stupid characters. One more point against Caprica.
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...was 12 years.
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Giving us the First Cylon War within 2 or 3 seasons. Though I don't think the show will last that long
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When I hear his voice I can't stop myself from hearing Remy from Ratatouille.
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Some boring afternoon I'll throw on this show and get caught up and check it out. I keep saying that about dollhouse too...
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Your concerns are legitimate. I'll give you this free advice: give up, on the show right now. The angst-y bullshit is all they'll keep throwing at you. Much the same way BSG did things, after the second season. There may be a good 10 or 15 minutes, at the end of every 5th or 6th episode, just to keep you dangling, on the line. But, overall the frustration level and bullshit quotient will increase exponentially, as the gaps between seasons increase, from seven months to 14 months to 18 or even 20 months. Get out now, it's only going to end badly, for anyone who invests the time,to become a fan of this show.
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If you enjoyed watching BSG turn into "It's A Wonderful Life" then you are a dipshit.
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I loved each and every season of BSG, including the finale. I didn't watch the series until just about a month before the fourth season started. I caught up and didn't feel the time gaps other did when watching fresh on Sci-Fi. (I did the same with "Lost" and "The Office" -- and they work better for me that way.)
I don't agree about the "angst" stuff with BSG... but Caprica feels like Gilmore Girls bullshit. The pilot had promise. I think they should let this season play out on the making of the cylons and their "souls", then begin the next season a decade later with their enslavement and subsequent uprising. Third season: begin the war. I got a feeling it will be ass-handled tv-drama, like all those doctor and lawyer shows. -
I cannot stand this guy. No offence to him, I'm sure he's a nice guy but I don't like him in movies, I don't enjoy his screen persona and I don't find him at all funny. Big Fan was utterly awful and I don't see the appeal in him. I'm glad others do, I just don't myself. So far I've loved Caprica - I'm really enjoying it so far and I wasn't sure the prequel concept was the way to go, but I'm really digging it now. It's fleshing out the backstory nicely to say the least, the show if given a chance to run for a couple seasons at least will be a great one. I just hope it doesn't get cancelled although I'd be surprised if it got to season 3. I hope they do a two season arc because I think they'd ghet that time. Not sure they'll get longer. Love everyone in it so far so I'll give Patton a chance in this.....it's just the thought of him in this doesn't fill me with confidence he'll be suddenly great to my way of thinking. Fingers crossed though.
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all I know about him is that he was on that stupid sitcom, and on dollhouse, but even then, Herc was like "OMFG, patton oswald will be on dollhouse!!1!". was he on Buffy or something? what's the big deal? he's just a fat guy who plays the same character everywhere..
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3rd video
"I lost my daughter & my wife ... mumble mumble mumble"
What did he say?
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I assume it was something about losing his son. -
As far as the name William goes: Billy goes to Bill, Willy goes to Will. No one goes from Willy to Bill ... did the Caprica writers even consider that when giving little William Adama the shortened kid name of Willy? In BSG, Tigh and everyone else called the Admiral "Bill". Anyway, I like Caprica. Better than I thought it would be. I hope SyFy allows it to grow.
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In many ways, yeah, I'm a dick. Congrats for spotting that.
But BSG didn't discuss the nature of being human. It could have, but it didn't. And it seems to me that the reason it failed to do so, was because the writers didn't know what the heck they were doing from week to week. No plan. Ironic really, given the credit sequence. -
was what they did on Caprica. See? It shows they're on a different planet. See what they did there? That's why they calls it science fiction...
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The one thing they could never get right on BSG was the interpersonal relationship drama. Every time they tried to feature it, the story just ground to a halt. Now what is Caprica billed as? BSG without all the epic stoylines and space battles, just interpersonal drama. There's no way they'll be able to make this show work in the long run.
As for Patton Oswald, he's a shrill, bitter man-child who's comedy act is 1/2 power nerd and 1/2 far left political looniness. That's why they love him here. He's just like the typical AICN staff member. -
...comedy is comedy. Funny is funny.
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I don't know what show you were watching, but BSG did it's best work with the small, interpersonal drama. The space battles were just filler to me, and when they started going with the epic storylines is when the show started going downhill. The first two seasons were the best, *because* they were all small, character driven relationship stories.
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of the 21st century, if it is done properly. As the finale of BSG illustrated to the point of hammering the audience over the head with it our machines are getting smarter by the day. We interact every day with some very dumb robots like ATMs and automated grocery checkout counters. The day someone perfects a good cost effective robot vision system millions of jobs are going to go away.
I don't agree with Ray Kurzweil that we are going to have a quantum singularity in forty years where self aware machines spiral out of control (I think it will probably take something more like 500 years.)but, the day is coming.
All of our petty bickering over race, religion and nationality will quickly fade once humanity is confronted with the prospect of sharing the earth with another intelligent, tool using species for the first time since the extinction of the Neanderthal.
How are we going to treat a sentient machine? Can it vote? Can it get married? Can it go to prison or be punished in some other way if it commits a crime? SF literature has certainly discussed these issues but, the general public is for the most part oblivious to these questions.
If Caprica explores these ideas and other relevant issues in an entertaining way it will be a success, if it degenerates into "Dallas" set on another planet then it will fail.
Having said that I would be inclined to agree that the show is going to need a little more action. It needs a character like a young Caprican military officer who initially is gung-ho about the Cylon program but, becomes increasingly ambivalent as the series progresses. The character could even be Peter Dash the first commander of the BSG (Its canon look it up.)Which could lead into a spin-off series about Cylon War I. -
Never heard of him (and I'm not from the USA, which is why!).
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Willy, Billy, William are different versions of the same name and inter-changeble. It's perfectly normal for a child to be called Willy then Billy then William. Obama was called Barry for most of his life.
Oh and someone asked. The line at the end is, "Even it out" as in kill Daniel's wife.
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that the "god" spoken of by the Cylons and in the BSG finale is actually Zoe. Apotheosis means to rise to the level of the divine. If the centurions actually had a consciousness and we just never really saw it in BSG, perhaps, this is filling in the blanks.
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I am very much liking this CAPRICA. Can't wait to see how spicy this really gets!
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Not exactly a household name. Guess if you don't watch a ton of cable comedy shows he's not on your radar.
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is also called Bill Clinton for you history buffs. William Shatner is often referred to as Bill Shatner. John Williams is also called John Bill. OK not that last one. But the whole Will/Bill thing one of the silliest arguments I've ever seen. And I took part in it cause I wanted in on that level silly. Stretch Armstrong will be the #1 movie in 2012, baby!!
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Seriously, the guy's been submitting movie reviews to AICN for years now. I find it amazing that he's finally ended up in the "Battlestar" universe.
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The pilot wasn't great but I enjoyed the last two episodes. It's like old school science fiction with the world building. The mixing of different cultural elements. The group marriages. The tough guy gangster brother who's openly gay. The overall idea that parents don't really know who their kids are when they spend so much time in virtual worlds. Etc. It's all relevant, interesting, and subtly handled. The acting is solid too. I have no idea where it's going but it's very watchable. But then so was Virtuality.
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Doesn't he posit more that they will be so benevolent? I remember reading a conversation between him and a robot at the end of one of his books and I couldn't imagine that's what it would be like. I feel like he's too positive. The fact of the matter is, I see no reason, if sentient machines are a reflection of ourselves (since we made them) that they wouldn't just destroy us. I always thought that it would combine the instant recall of a computer with the reasoning ability of a human and that both could exponentially increase in a very short period of time as it used it's immense intellectual capacity to deduce things it would take us thousands of years to figure out. As a matter of fact, I think this would be one of the first hurdles we'd have dealing with a sentient machine... a sentient machine would not only FIGURE OUT the thousands of possibilities as it does something as simple as taking a single step, but it might become paranoid about them and not do anything or fry itself... a neurotic machine! But I just don't see why Terminator won't be the real scenario... OR a sentient species that leaves the earth quite fast (and would kill us if we got in their way) to find out why they and their creators are here. I just don't see what we could offer to a machine that's literally human 2.0.
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I always felt that any sentient machine that had 'laws' built into it wouldn't really be sentient. It's still subject to programming... and if it were really sentient and you tried to program it, like I said, its combination of instant recall and the ability to cull BILLIONS of bits of information together AND rationally and reasonably come up with solutions would be one cold motherfucker and would quickly figure out how to either A) build another version of itself, even remotely or using other machines or B) reprogram itself to NOT have to follow such rules. Whatever... all intellectual masturbation, but still fun!
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And that's what we get in Caprica. I'm about to check out on this show.
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Love the hot milfy Atia.Love tha jailbait locked in steel.Love the openly gay ruffian.Hate the Grey wife.Hate, hate, hate the no spaceships. How 'bout a Viper or Battlestar flyby? I'm jonesing here.
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The conceit of the Robot series was the 3 laws were baked into the Positronic brain. That the system was designed so a Positronic brain wouldn't work if you removed the 3 Laws.
You can think of them as mental shackles. A prisoner is still sentient even though he is unable to fully exercise free will do to the physical shackles binding him. Same thing for a paraplegic. -
Watched the pilot. Tried watching the second ep but gave up. I agree with Frodo, it's the worst of BSG as it's own show.
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An Angry Black Guy(tm) like SG: Phew has
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I thought the pilot was pretty good, the 2nd episode was alright, and the 3rd was pretty weak and has me a bit leery about the direction of the show. But maybe it'll grow into a better series if it goes on. The teeanage girl in a cylon's body thing is gonna get old fast, but it looks like more scenes will take place in the virtual world from here on. Not really feeling this fued between Adama and Greystone either...
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Also not digging on seein young Adama become a gangster. The show is still finding its place but television isn't so patient with these things so hopefully by the end of the first season we will know where this show stands.
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Sorry, hun, but no, they did NOT answer that question. Ask 20 different people what the ending of BSG meant, and you'll get at least 4 different answers, depending on what they want to believe. I've noticed those who tend towards monotheism themselves, naturally, believe that the ending proved there was only one god. Ironically, this is also true for the atheists I've encountered (which surprised me). However, ask an agnostic, or a polytheist, what they thought, and their answer will be much more open-ended. I fall into that category, personally. I don't see anything in the storyline that "proves" there is only one god, or any god at all. A few mysterious occurances does not a diety prove. It tells us that life is not always what it seems, but that's all. Any one of the more mysterious elements could be explained by your more mundane things... hallucinations, coincidences, etc.... or more supernatural things that have nothing to do with a god or gods (there are tons of people who think that the only difference between monotheism and polytheism is perception, and that basically we're all describing the same thing, just using different words). What you believe the ending of BSG means says more about you than the show itself.
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I agree with you 100% (except for Virtuality, but only because I haven't seen it). The cultural themes that are being explored here are the main reason I am ADORING this show. I'm so happy we upgraded our cable so that we could get SyFy, just in time to catch Caprica. It has its flaws, but the show is smart and evocative. People can complain all they want about the "prequel syndrome" (as in, we know where this is going) but there are SO MANY threads that were never explored in BSG that are now playing out. I love it :)
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needs a likable character STAT
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"OR a sentient species that leaves the earth quite fast (and would kill us if we got in their way) to find out why they and their creators are here."
That's the plot of NEUROMANCER.
Third scenario is what I consider most likely...they'll seize control, a la THE FORBIN PROJECT.
Might be an improvement...right now, our entire "free will" as humans in entirely dominated by an algorithm known as capitalism anyway. -
This show needs to Go!It is good to have on if you need a nap.
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