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Published at:  Feb 02, 2010 4:48:27 PM CST


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Friday 18-49 finals (repeats in gray; previous Fridays in parentheses):
1.9 (----) (2.2) (2.2) (1.0) (1.0) (----) (----) (1.9) (1.3) (2.0) (2.0) (1.9) (2.0) (2.1) (2.0) (2.2) (1.7) (2.3) Ghost Whisperer
1.8 (----) (2.2) (2.1) (0.9) (1.0) (1.1) (1.2) (1.6) (1.1) (1.7) (1.7) (1.8) (1.7) (1.8) (1.8) (1.6) (1.6) (1.8) Numbers
1.8 (0.9) (2.2) (2.1) (1.0) (1.1) (1.1) (1.0) (1.8) (1.1) (1.9) (2.0) (1.9) (1.9) (2.1) (1.9) (2.0) (1.9) (2.1) Medium
1.7 (1.5) (1.4) (2.3) (1.7) (----) (1.7) (1.7) (1.6) (1.7) (1.8) (2.0) (2.8) (1.7) (1.6) (2.0) (1.5) (1.7) (2.3) 20/20
1.5 (1.4) (1.6) (2.2) (-----) (-----) (1.4) (2.0) (1.5) (----) (1.5) (1.7) (----) (1.6) (1.7) (----) (1.5) (1.8) (1.5) Dateline
1.5 (----) (1.6) (1.4) (-----) (-----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) Shark Tank
1.4 (----) (1.3) (1.4) (1.0) (1.1) (1.4) (1.4) (1.2) (1.0) (1.3) (1.2) (1.2) (1.2) (1.4) (1.3) (1.4) (1.4) (1.6) Jay Leno Show
1.4 (----) (-----) (-----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) Kitchen Nightmares
1.3 (----) (1.4) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (1.2) (1.7) (----) (1.4) (1.6) (1.7) (1.4) (1.5) (1.6) (1.5) (1.2) (1.2) Law & Order
1.2 (----) (1.6) (1.1) (----) (-----) (1.1) (1.2) (-----) (0.9) (-----) (1.4) (1.3) (1.3) (1.1) (----) (----) (----) (----) Supernanny
1.1 (----) (0.5) (0.6) (0.5) (0.4) (----) (0.5) (0.8) (0.6) (1.1) (1.2) (1.1) (1.1) (1.1) (1.1) (0.9) (0.9) (0.9) Smallville
0.9 (----) (-----) (-----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) iCarly
0.9 (----) (0.8) (0.8) (-----) (----) (0.7) (0.8) (0.8) (-----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (0.8) (----) (1.0) (0.9) (1.0) Dollhouse
0.7 (0.7) (0.5) (0.6) (-----) (-----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) The Soup
0.6 (----) (-----) (-----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) Big Time Rush
0.6 (----) (-----) (-----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) Smallville 9 p.m.
0.6 (0.5) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (0.8) (-----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) Clone Wars
0.5 (0.6) (0.5) (----) (-----) (-----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) What Not To Year
0.5 (0.4) (----) (-----) (-----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) Caprica
0.4 (0.4) (----) (-----) (-----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) Ben 10
0.4 (0.5) (----) (-----) (-----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) Spartacus
0.3 (0.3) (----) (-----) (-----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) Johnny Test


* “Caprica,” with its first truly new Syfy episode, improved slightly with a 0.5 in 18-49. Its 1.4 million viewers was down from the 2.1 million viewers earned by the first new January 2009 episode of “Battlestar Galactica.” In the Syfy universe, the 18-49 score puts it even with the last episode of “Stargate Universe” (already renewed for a second season), ahead of the 0.4 scored by the last episodes of “Sanctuary” and behind the 0.8 scored by the last episodes of reality series “Destination Truth” and “Ghost Hunters.”

* “Smallville” returned to new episodes with a 1.1. Here’s how it compares with the four other new episodes aired on the CW last week:



1.8 (1.6) (0.7) (0.6) (0.4) (0.4) (0.8) (1.1) (0.6) (0.5) (1.6) (2.0) (1.9) (2.0) (0.9) (1.8) (1.7) (1.6) (1.7) (1.6) Vampire Diaries
1.2 (1.3) (0.6) (0.6) (0.3) (0.3) (-----) (0.7) (0.5) (0.4) (1.2) (1.3) (1.2) (1.4) (0.8) (1.2) (1.2) (1.2) (1.2) (1.2) Supernatural
1.1 (1.2) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (-----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) Life Unexpected
1.1 (1.1) (0.4) (0.4) (0.4) (0.3) (----) (1.2) (1.1) (0.5) (1.2) (1.3) (1.1) (1.3) (1.0) (1.2) (1.1) (1.1) (1.1) One Tree Hill
1.1 (----) (0.5) (0.6) (0.5) (0.4) (----) (0.5) (0.8) (0.6) (1.1) (1.2) (1.1) (1.1) (1.1) (1.1) (0.9) (0.9) (0.9) Smallville


Expect an uptick with its two-hour Justice Society movie next week. Broadcasting & Cable just posted an illuminating article describing how the CW keeps the lights on with such meager viewership. Excerpts:

… in 2009, The CW lost tens of millions of dollars. Bernstein Research estimates the loss at $25 million to $50 million, and one source indicates that the loss is closer to the high end … [but] execs say that syndication, international, digital, home-entertainment, merchandising and other ancillary revenues that the partners derive from shows that air on The CW platform offset the losses, and will keep The CW setting trends for years.



* The final episode of “Dollhouse” enjoyed a slight uptick, but remained the lowest-rated episode in broadcast Friday night.

* “Numbers” keeps winning its 10 p.m. timeslot since CBS cut back its episode order. Maybe it’s not dead after all.

* ABC’s “Shark Tank” has been looking strong on Fridays, improving substantially again on its “Supernanny” lead-in and beating the premiere of Fox’s “Kitchen Nightmares” at 9 p.m. So maybe the sharks will swim again next season?

* A new “Leno” matched the 1.4 that a repeat of “Dateline” pulled in its slot last week. Maybe NBC should give Leno a little more time to fine-tune his Dan Band segments and test “Dateline” repeats at 11:35 p.m.?

* Starz’ “Spartacus,” which did not get help from an Encore simulcast this week, slipped a bit in overall viewership. It too has already gotten its second-season renewal.


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    Readers Talkback

  • Feb 02, 2010 5:19:28 AM CST

    Didn't know Shark Tank moved to Fridays.

    by shermdawg

    Would've been watching....or at least recording.

    Reply to Talkback

  • Feb 02, 2010 5:51:21 AM CST

    Clone Wars is bad ass

    by mjayace

    Hard to say it but that is actually been my favorite TV show this year. Smallville must do better on DVD.

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  • Feb 02, 2010 5:53:48 AM CST

    Smallville will get a tenth season

    by drsambeckett1984

    COnsidering it got moved to a death slot on friday nights, it is doing very well.

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  • Feb 02, 2010 6:11:43 AM CST

    smallville already has a tenth season

    by jettl1993

    I have some connections at the show (i worked on it in the earlier seasons and still talk with people) The show already has been greenlit for a 10th season and he will fully become superman by this seasons end. the show will remain "smallville" and not "metroplis" as rumoured. Expect a renual announcment this week to promote the absolute justice episode

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  • Feb 02, 2010 6:36:22 AM CST

    Shark Tank is interesting...

    by bouncy x

    its the first time i've even seen america copy canada for a tv show. Ours is called The Lion's Den but its the exact same idea and format, nobodies pitching their idea to a table of "in the know" people. usually its canada who copies you guys, especially with reality/contest shows. not that its anything to be proud of, both shows suck but just saying.

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  • Feb 02, 2010 7:03:37 AM CST

    Bouncy X

    by shermdawg

    Shark Tank and Lion's Den is based on England's Dragon's Den which is a lifted idea from Japan's Money Tigers.

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  • Feb 02, 2010 7:05:05 AM CST

    Bouncy X

    by damnmichaelbay

    Bouncy X:

    You realise that "Shark Tank" copied "Dragon's Den", not "Lion's Den", right?

    "Dragon's Den" is a UK show, which has spawned copies in about 50 different countries now.

    Dragon's Den was in turn inspired by a Japanese show which had a different format, it was more people just crying and begging for money and being humiliated than an investment show.

    So now you know, that Canada and the US both copied the UK show, Dragon's Den.

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  • Feb 02, 2010 7:07:49 AM CST

    Cool Absolute Justice web clip!

    by thanos0145

    http://tinyurl.com/yfpcpfk
    Pam Grier fans might want to tune in as well.

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  • Feb 02, 2010 7:16:19 AM CST

    The Dan Band were funny

    by iwasinjuniorhighdickhead

    in Old School, and I for one find the idea of an all-male foulmouthed wedding band that only play diva-ish songs to be sublime, so what has happened to them? Why'd they join Leno? The general consensus now is that they suck. Say it isn't so?

    Reply to Talkback

  • Feb 02, 2010 7:29:43 AM CST

    Dollhouse out with a wimper and other random thoughts

    by shutupfanboy

    I am glad it was up, but it should be no surprise this show did so poor in the ratings thanks to the Friday death spot. Also, I don't understand how Smallville gets a .2 rating better and costs a lot of money to produce gets a 10th season while CW is losing millions. If any show would be on the chopping block, I would say Smallville due to the cost. They damn well better not screw up the JSA this week. Clone Wars is bad ass, but they could have done more with the Mandolarians last week. I loved the reference back to Knights of the Old Republic though

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  • Feb 02, 2010 7:31:39 AM CST

    Smallville = $$$

    by anamika

    It's a Top 20 series in terms of auxiliary revenue. It's a best-selling DVD franchise, and an international smash, shown in over 50 countries. So Season 10's in the can whether The CW broadcasts it or not. Same goes for any future spin-offs.

    Not since ER and Friends has WB had a more long-term and profitable series.

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  • Feb 02, 2010 7:37:17 AM CST

    Bouncy X

    by chaosinabox

    You do realize that Canada's version of "Dragon's Den" is called "Dragon's Den," right? What the hell is this "Lion's Den" show you're talking about?

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  • Feb 02, 2010 7:41:52 AM CST

    Supernatural is the number 2 show...

    by spidermonkee

    On it's network. Behind... Vampire Diaries?? Srsly??

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  • Feb 02, 2010 7:45:20 AM CST

    Spartacus...

    by red ned lynch

    ...got a second season? Super cheap, I guess. I've watch two and I'll watch a couple more before I check out, but just not feeling it. I actually kind of like the stylized set..gives it sort of a stage play built on a computer feel, and that's a flavor I could be okay with. But the writing is so leaden and the performances so disinterested I can feel myself drifting. Got the feeling I won't be making it to season two even if the show does.

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  • Feb 02, 2010 8:08:04 AM CST

    Caprica 0.5 or 1.5?

    by raw_bean

    The figure in the table and the figure Herc used in the text paragraph seem contradict each other.

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  • Feb 02, 2010 8:33:50 AM CST

    Caprica Confusion Cleared Up

    by conqueror worm

    0.5 is the 18-49 demographic score (0.1 up from last week).
    1.4 is the 1.4 million viewers that the last episode got (down 0.2 million from last week).

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  • Feb 02, 2010 8:43:14 AM CST

    Dollhouse

    by mooly

    I never saw Epitaph 1 so it was odd seeing the series end with part 2. Yet at the same time I wish the show had more time to get to that point naturally because it was really good. Looking back, I enjoyed Dollhouse but they really should have done more to move quicker instead of the episode of the week format. The first 2 seasons could have all been compressed into one, I think. I also find it funny that people are watching that rip off of the Canadian "Dragon's Den". Man I really hate that show. Every episode is the same, when someone finally does show up with a great idea and asks for $500,000 to produce it...they are met with "We will give you $10,000 and we want 110% of the rights to the product". They never budge and the inventor is screwed no matter what he does because I think the show prevents him from just selling it elsewhere.

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  • Feb 02, 2010 9:12:08 AM CST

    Retardacus!

    by fiester

    Is the most unintentionally hilarious--as in bad, over-the-top, cheesy, etc.--thing I have seen on tv in some time.

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  • Feb 02, 2010 9:23:26 AM CST

    CAPRICA just beat out BEN 10?

    by spyguy

    I guess trapping a cybernetic mental copy of the show's hottest female character (Granted, that isn't saying much) inside a big, clanky Cylon Centurion prototype isn't proving much of a draw, hunh?

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  • Feb 02, 2010 9:33:48 AM CST

    More like CRAPrica, M I RITE?

    by squashua

    It's OK. It's not what I expected, and I'll probably watch the season.

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  • Feb 02, 2010 9:36:05 AM CST

    Mooly

    by knightborn

    Few saw Epitaph 1 as it was an unaired episode from season 1. Really? Who fucking makes their series finale a second parter to an episode only seen by those who purchased the season one dvd set? WTF? I was watching the first couple minutes thinking "did I miss an episode?". Yeah, you did. Thanks FOX!

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  • Feb 02, 2010 9:47:53 AM CST

    Jett, any truth to the rumour you will be a guest villain?

    by james_o'nasty

    Will you be reprising your role as the TREMBLING ANUS?

    The dorky kid who gave himself a Kryptonite enema and now shoots violent jets of green shit at Clark?

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  • Feb 02, 2010 9:49:47 AM CST

    Caprica / Clone Wars

    by knightborn

    Also not what I was expecting. Intriguing enough to give it a try this season.

    I tried to get behind Clone Wars, have recorded every episode so far. But I finally removed it the series from my DVD queue. It isnt bad but I cant seem to get interested. I always seem to watch other recorded shows first. When I do hit play, before I know it I am on the laptop or reading a magazine. Oh well. Certainly not as bad as I thought it would be but nothing special at all either. Maybe I am just tired of Clone Wars storylines, how about we move this television Star Wars universe forward, eh?

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  • Feb 02, 2010 9:51:37 AM CST

    Craprica

    by conqueror worm

    I really like this 'prequel' series from the brains behind Battlestar.
    Although it has only been two episodes.
    The press has been very positive so far, I suspect what happened to The Wire will happen to Caprica, the live viewership will be low but the critical acclaim will be high.
    Then people will discover it on DVD / Blu Ray.

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  • Feb 02, 2010 10:46:59 AM CST

    worm:

    by president baltar

    actually, the article says "improved slightly with a 1.5 in 18-49" so some part of it is still dead wrong

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  • Feb 02, 2010 11:10:01 AM CST

    Dammit

    by yourstepdaddy

    Why did i have to resurrect JettL in the Smurf tb...

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  • Feb 02, 2010 11:47:00 AM CST

    Please correct the Caprica stuff, Herc

    by supertoyslast

    "“Caprica,”... improved slightly with a 1.5 in 18-49." etc. It's really confusing as to whether Caprica got 0.5 or 1.5 in 18-49 (I assume 0.5). Was the total audience 1.4 or 1.5 million? If it was 1.4, then how is it ahead of the 1.4 scored by Sanctuary?On another note, I find it odd how many more people seem to watch SyFy for reality shows than, well, sci-fi.

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  • Feb 02, 2010 12:19:18 PM CST

    Caprica is a brave move.

    by smashing

    From the serene pacing to the giry?Cylon combo, the oddest idea I have wrangled with in a while, as far as lesbian science fiction goes I think I may enjoy it.The humour levels need ramped up a lot and the opening titles are weird, they say to me this show maybe good, maybe gay as fuck, can't tell yet.All I know is I have ragged on JE a lot for her sometimes weak BSG input, maybe now she can redeem herself, at least to me.

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  • Feb 02, 2010 1:26:00 PM CST

    supertoyslast, I'm guessing the 0.5 rating for Caprica

    by big jim

    on the list, and the 1.5 Herc said it got in his summary is a typo. I think he meant "improved slightly with a 0.5 in the 18-49..."1.4 was the number of viewers (in millions), 0.5 (or, as Herc wrote in his summary, 1.5) is the rating the show got; the rating is the percentage of all households with a TV who watched the show. So, while 1.4 million may have watched the show, only 0.5% of all households with a TV had it on. Sometimes you'll see it as two numbers, ex 0.5/2.1. The other number, the 2.1 in that example, is the "Share", the percentage of households watching TV at that time who are tuned to that show - share of the active TV audience.

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  • Feb 02, 2010 1:27:37 PM CST

    I'd like to see Dollhouse's ratings as it was airing...

    by tonagan

    Did a bunch of people change the channel when they decided to reference an episode that never aired?

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  • Feb 02, 2010 1:28:18 PM CST

    destination truth > caprica.

    by alice133

    wutta bust. lol.

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  • Feb 02, 2010 1:29:36 PM CST

    Early bets on whether Caprica lives to see season 2?

    by flandersbum

    I certainly hope so, as it's actually decent. Ratings are disapointing, especially considering all the hype and advertising it's gotten and the fact that it stems from a big name series like Galactica.

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  • Feb 02, 2010 1:51:25 PM CST

    Callum Blue is so damn good....

    by jaysin420

    as Zod, I don't even know how to explain it.

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  • Feb 02, 2010 2:17:12 PM CST

    Craprica Season 2

    by conqueror worm

    Guaranteed.
    The uncut pilot episode of Caprica was seen by 1.6 million people before the series even began (DVD, hulu, syfy website etc).
    Critics have been very positive about the first 3 episodes.
    1.5 million was about the average audience of regular BSG episodes.
    If you were to take a glance at torrent sites you'll see Caprica is getting heavy traffic, similar to that of Lost. Which means international buzz is kicking in.
    Sky One in Britain are premiering Caprica tonight, which shows they are backing the series, and paying big for the privilage.
    ...and probably the most important reason for renewing Caprica: I am really enjoying it.

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  • Feb 02, 2010 2:54:36 PM CST

    The Final "Dollhouse" Episode

    by media messiah

    I didn't see most of the fore of the episode until Sunday, but I did see the second half of the episode when it aired on Friday. My review of the final was great, but having now seen the fore of the show, that bit of it, I have to say was weak, and Ballard's death went-out like a wimper. The way they killed Bennett, a few episodes back, is something they should have skipped, as it was a mean spirited waste, and wholly unnecessary, as this was a death scene that should have been given to Ballard. The way Ballard died, he went-out like a sucker, with no real meaning to it, however if he had died like Bennett, from the bullet of a supposed ally, during a calm sitdown and relaxed talkie scene in front of Echo, it would have played far better, and given resonance to his demise, and her suffering.Finally, if you notice, when Ballard was shot, in the direct aftermath, some of the dialogue was similar, and even the reactions, were similar to the death of Wash in Serenity, and how his wife dealt with it, in the middle of battle. I think that alone is a major clue from Joss, and company, that Dollhouse served as his completion to the Firefly/Serenity story threads that he was forced to abandon when the show was cancelled early, and the movie, Serenity, did not receive a green-light for a sequel.

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  • Feb 02, 2010 3:08:23 PM CST

    Caprica: Was Just Foolsh Planning

    by media messiah

    They should have just done a story about the original conflict with the Cylons. I think the "Caprica" name and story arc, was just an attempted to soften, and eliminate, the science fiction name of Galactica and its import, therein, in order to get Golden Globe noms and Emmys. Well, that is not going to work, this is science fiction we are dealing with, no need to play the role of apologist for it, or tip-toe around denying what ths genre is--just do your best as a writer and creator, that is all that is required--if the Globes and Emmys come calling, they come calling. They should have just called the show, "Battlestar Galactica: Beginnings" or simply "Galactica"...and given us the first Human/Cylon war, and they would have had huge ratings!!!

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  • Feb 02, 2010 3:08:57 PM CST

    That's "Foolish"

    by media messiah

  • Feb 02, 2010 3:36:36 PM CST

    Music from Buckaroo in Caprica

    by tripmaster

    Did anyone catch what Eric Stoltz was playing on the piano in Ep2? Sounds exactly like what Jeff Goldblum was playing on the piano in Buckaroo Banzai...

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  • Feb 02, 2010 3:49:27 PM CST

    I can't say I'll miss Dollhouse.

    by johnnyangel

    And wasn't the conclusion with Topher on the roof sacrificing himself to broadcast out the "fix" a lot like the conclusion of Buffy with Spike sacrificing himself to broadcast out the "fix"?

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  • Feb 02, 2010 4:01:00 PM CST

    Caprica

    by johnnyangel

    Watching the idiot humans on Caprica make me think the Cylons were right to try to wipe them out.

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  • Feb 02, 2010 6:37:04 PM CST

    'God did it'. 'They're Angels'.

    by smokingrobot

    Let's throw all our technology into the sun and doom ourselves, our children and our entire culture to a slow, painful, meaningless death. Yeah, that makes me want to watch Caprica.

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  • Feb 02, 2010 6:48:09 PM CST

    Morons still bitching about Dollhouse...

    by mjohnson

    Why the fuck would anyone have watched the final episode except those who enjoyed the series? Answer: no one except assclowns. The show is over, trolls. It will make shitloads on DVD, like every other Joss Whedon project. Move on. End of discussion.

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  • Feb 02, 2010 7:49:09 PM CST

    JohnnyAngel: The Cylons Are The Heroes Of The Series...

    by media messiah

    ...and of Galactica, in respect to the two new series, as you said, as envisioned by Ron Moore, the humans deserved to be wiped-out! The humans are the villains of the series!!!

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  • Feb 02, 2010 8:06:09 PM CST

    Media Messiah, I Totally Disagree

    by dave i

    Ballard's death was great because it was so meaningless. It was effectively a war. That is what happens. I doubt many soldiers die in some epic fashion. When somebody gets shot (which seems likely in a war, particularly when you've been involved in the fighting for like ten years), I'd expect that is what it would be like most of the time. More All Quiet on the Western Front and less G.I. Joe or Star Wars: Episode IV in the Death Star. So I liked how it ended; much more poignant than if they'd gone all Hollywood with it.

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  • Feb 02, 2010 10:30:44 PM CST

    Dave I: It Was Anti-Climatic...

    by media messiah

    ...that being, Ballard's death--as it would have been best served, at the hands of a turned ally, with the same set-up as what happened between Saunders, Bennett, and Topher. It would have impacted the ending more! Yes, a writer can always pull their punches, to present close to real life drama, like a senseless shooting, but that is what has always hurt the series, Whedon not knowing when to pull his punches, and when to really kick some ass. Soft pedaling can cost you, and often does. The soft pedaling here, if dispensed with, and replaced with a more powerful in your face reckoning, would have really hit the viewers with a major wake-up call, and made the moment more solid.No matter, Echo/Caroline and Ballard being reunited the way they were, was very beautiful, and poignant, if only in her mind.

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  • Feb 03, 2010 12:51:13 AM CST

    Did I seriously read a BSG/Western Front comparison?

    by criticalbliss

    You're a fucking idiot.
    The show was horrid, and, more importantly, boring and miserablist. Why the hell would anyone be interested in Craprica?

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  • Feb 03, 2010 1:22:07 AM CST

    Orginal Cylon war with the 12 Colonies...

    by nohubris

    ...would have been a much better spin off IMHO, particularly if it included the best elements of Caprica, namely the rise of the machines. A DS9 type of spin off --meaning a new story with a few characters from BSG -- would have been even better.

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  • Feb 03, 2010 1:38:52 AM CST

    NoHubris: That Is Exactly What I Was Talking About

    by media messiah

    Who knows what these executives are smokng these days? We should not have had to tell them this, as they should have had the mental capacity to already figure-out what the audience of Galactica was looking for, and it certainly wasn't Caprica...a talkie melodrama in a furistic past on another world!

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  • Feb 03, 2010 1:41:13 AM CST

    That's "Futuristic"

    by media messiah

  • Feb 03, 2010 8:43:46 AM CST

    "Did I seriously read a BSG/Western Front comparison?"

    by big jim

    No, what you read was a Dollhouse/All Quiet on the Western Front comparison.

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  • It'll be okay Herc.

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  • Feb 03, 2010 2:21:12 PM CST

    Although Smallville Is A Cliche...

    by media messiah

    ...and a rip-off of "Buffy", as well as a cliche of every investigative procedural that was ever on TV, it is still largely well written, directed, and executed. Smallville however, never sought to outsmart itself, or its audience, they just kept things simple, however, Dollhouse's creative team was so invested in being smart, that they, its creators, outsmarted themselves, and got overwhelmed with too much plot, too many nuances, too much double dealing, and too much side intrigue--and often times, without good reason, and no clear villain(s) or hero/heroes, until the last 6 episodes; and even that wasn't clear until the last 3 episodes--and then, the villains died before they could really interact and face-off with our hero/heroes and establish some real in-depth mythology between them in terms of in active combat. It was just, Boyd: "Hi, how are you, I was here all along opposing you, but really, I love you, and this is all for the greater good", and...Echo: "Oh, well, I hate you, and you must die, so I'll kill you, forget the greater good, what about me!"Things were really that truncated! We were suddenly hit with a big reveal, and then, slam-bam, the show was over, but you got the feeling that "Epitaph: The Return" was just tacked on for good measure to answer the questions left by "Epitaph One". All in all, Dollhouse was largely, an exercise in confusion, for the audience, as Joss was just trying too much, too fast, instead of giving us a more linear story telling approach, like say, Smallville...and serving up the hero/villain conflict from the beginning, or at least a faux one, for the purposes of misdirection, they could have always given us Boyd later, but Rossum and its executive board should have been served-up as the villains early. Why they were not, truly boggles the mind? Nepotism can suck, most of the time!!!One can attack Smallville all they want...for the ocassional clumsiness and cheesy nature of the show, largely due to its lack of a budget, while being faced with big blockbuster worthy ideas, but the structure of the show is largely sound, you, at least, know who the villains and heroes are, and have somebody to root for, and to root against--yes, you know there is a conflict, and the mythology behind it, one that is always building, and evolves, and thus, involves the viewers--again, this is something Dollhouse didn't give us, and when they did, it was in varying degrees, only unfolding in the last 6 to 3 episodes of the show--thus, I have to say, that is just bad plotting, and bad writing?

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  • Feb 03, 2010 7:12:13 PM CST

    Smallville a cliche?

    by ryanbraun14

    i'm not sure if that makes any sense... Here's a real cliche for everyon:The Coax columnist reporting on Smallville's ratings objectively? WHO ARE YOU AND WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH HERC!?!?

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  • Feb 03, 2010 7:12:26 PM CST

    Smallville a cliche?

    by ryanbraun14

    i'm not sure if that makes any sense... Here's a real cliche for everyone:The Coax columnist reporting on Smallville's ratings objectively? WHO ARE YOU AND WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH HERC!?!?

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  • Feb 03, 2010 7:18:04 PM CST

    Why they were not, truly boggles the mind?

    by ryanbraun14

    MM said: "Why they were not, truly boggles the mind?"what boggles my mind is how you keep finding ways to rape the question mark every time you use it... its been brutalized, battered, bruised and abused in your posts where it has now become a demoralized shell of itself.

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