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When Making Another BOURNE Sequel Proves Too Challenging, You...Make A BOURNE Prequel Instead!?
Merrick here...
There's been all kinds of speculation as to what's happening with another BOURNE movie - especially since Paul Greengrass departed the project a few months back. Empire recently grilled Matt Damon as to the status of the movie, and Matt's answer was a bit surprising.
“There’ll probably be a prequel of some kind with another actor and another director before we do another one,” he said, “just because I think we’re probably another five years away from doing it – we’ve got to get a script…”
...Damon told Empire HERE.
As Empire correctly notes, the word "probably" could mean/imply many things, so it's best to take this infobit as speculative until more solid details are gleaned.
So, does a potential Lil' Bourne = literally, a prequel? Or, might this end up being a franchise reboot?
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Why can't you just keep telling good stories with the people you already have? I mean... there's nothing wrong with Bourne as it is right now... is it?
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maybe he is just smart enough to wait for a script BEFORE rushing into production
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reboot/prequel/remake/re imagining/re casting trend we're having these days. Bourne has made tons of money, it got better with each movie. Why do they insist on changing shit that isn't broken?
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Enough with these franchise reboots.
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The Bourne movies work perfectly as a trilogy, with the final scene of the third movie not only paying homage to the brilliant cameo performance of Clive Owen in the first film ("Look...look what they make us give..."), but with the floating body of Jason Bourne reclaiming his life, identity, and purpose. The floating body image is a perfect "bookends" for the story arc.
So my better question is: why mess with a perfect story, told in three parts, by telling more?
And the crappy answer: money.
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reboots/prequels/remakes etc have been going on as long as film as been around. A good story is always worth retelling, some of my favorite movies have been remakes.
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Ha! Funniest shit I've read all day. 1) Since when were scripts needed for movie making? 2) Since when does it take 5 FUCKING YEARS to make one? 3) Is there a script for the prequel yet? Probably not.
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Maybe then I'll watch, without suddenly developing epilepsy or something.
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Paul Greengrass was hardly the lifeblood of this series! I think the last two films were only loosely based on the books anyway so I don't understand what the big deal is. A prequel would likely kill Jason Bourne the same way Hannibal Rising killed Hannibal Lector.
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I am pretty sure Red Dragon killed Hannibal Lector, as nobody saw the extremely well done Hannibal Rising.
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You know it makes sense. Failing that: AGENT CODY BANKS: ASSIGNMENT MIAMI BEACH
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Why cant Bourne regenerate like Bond?
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First of all: HA HA HA HA HA HA!Secondly, yeah riiiight. Hannibal was a fuckin' Ninja, yes of course it all makes sense. *eyeroll*
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Ugh. Extremely well-done? Modestly entertaining, at best. Red Dragon, on the other hand, was quite enjoyable. Superior even to Hannibal, I thought, during which I could never get over another actress playing Clarice Starling (sorry). Of course, without Anthony Hopkins as Lecter, Hannibal Rising was doomed. Doomed!
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But that's damning with faint praise. Red Dragon had lots of problems, chief among them was everyone was talking about how unbelievably muscular he was, as he is in the book, then Raiph Fieness was pretty averagely built. Since one of the ways they find him is because his description is "muscular", that kind of ruined things.
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a freakquel would be an alternate universe version of the film and a geekquel would be a fan version a weekquel would be a week long miniseries remake, a weakquel would be a shitty remake, an eaquel would be an exact shot for shot remake, a shiekquel would be starring the iron shiek and other shieks, a squeakels got chipmunks, a beakquel would star lots of birds and octopus and a neekquel has the knights who say nee!
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All I hear is "MUNCH MUNCH MUNCH". It's fucking annoying.
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I don't see Damon or Greengrass returning since there's no story left to tell. He got his memory back, and is no longer Jason Bourne... Roll credits. If people want the tense technological chase sequences, just put them into something new.
Of course, I thought that the procedural stuff from "The Fugitive" would have worked well in sequels even without Harrison Ford, but then they went and just remade "The Fugitive" with "U.S. Marshalls". Why did the fugitive they were chasing in that one have to be wrongly accused? That was just lazy thinking. -
Feb 01, 2010 11:16:50 AM CST
Identity was good. The sequels were just runny/shaky for 2 hrs.
by mr nicholas
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Just that if they DO make more, they should be sequels starring Matt Damon.
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"I'm not making one right now and I'm not planning on anything at the moment." Really, I don't think there's any kind of scoop here.
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Ultimatum was the same film again with a couple of cool moments but no narrative need to exist.
So yes, please, take another five years and make another great one. I'll pass on the prequel though thanks.
Looking forward to Green Zone immensely. It's basically Bourne 4 with a new story, brought to you buy the letter (or, erm, rating) R. Bring it on. -
Am i the only one who thinks the 3 bourne movies are the exact same movie?
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in 3D
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Shia LaDouche?
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With Nathan Fillion.
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Identity was just as good as the sequels.
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What would you do? Show "Bourne" before he joined Treadstone? He was a lost cipher, willing to be filled by anyone who would give his life meaning. Or while he was a Treadstone assassin? Who wants to empathize with THAT guy? No...wait. I actually have an idea. Show the event that emptied him, made him so desperate for an identity that he would allow Treadstone to remake him. He could have been a fine agent/soldier of some kind, who lost everything he thought he knew about himself...and THEN turns himself over to these bastards. You could, I suppose, actually do a trilogy with a tragic ending, a guy we actually like...watch him fall in love, raise a family...knowing all the time this will end quite badly. Damn, I want to see those movies now. Bet that ain't what they give us, though.
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Do we really need a prequel/reboot? This isn't Star Trek you know...
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I just realized that whats-his-name Lang, who played the evil colonel in Avatar and Ike in Tombstone played the sleazy tabloid reporter. Wow . . .
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Now's the chance to get Jesse Plemons -- Landry from Friday Night Lights -- to play a young Matt Damon. Do it! Panther pride!
He'd be better off playing his brother or something but hey, this is a golden opportunity. -
You know it to be true.
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Feb 01, 2010 11:45:52 AM CST
Hannibal Begins - oops, Hannibal Rising
by turd_has_risen_from_the_grave
Load of old cobblers, particularly since it dramatically failed to address exactly why Lecter started killing innocent people (his patients) and his Nietzschean view of life - the element what was so interesting about the character in the first place. Instead we were treated to a lame revenge story where Hannibal was quite justified in taking the lives of the scum bags who ate his sister. The only two good Lecter movies were Manhunter and Silence - the rest were cash cows to fill Dino de Laurentis' coffers. Anyway, Bourne is an extremely dull character and there's no need for this prequel. What is there to say about THAT character - he was once an assasin and then he got amnesia and couldn't rememeber who he was? Something that has already been spread thin over three movies, the first one being decent, and the Greengrass entries incomprehensible shaky cam crap (the bane of modern action movies). Bourne is vastly inferior to Bond as a character, a politically correct and earnest clone, lacking the complexity and nasty elements that make JB so interesting.
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As previously stated in this thread, I thought the trilogy worked just fine. Supposedly Bourne hates being what he is, so why the fuck would he go back to it now that he has resolved his issues with it? Then again I keep forgetting that it's about money, not creativity or actually telling a good story.
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i've always heard how amazing it is (especially compared to red dragon etc) but fuck me, i saw it for the first time a few months ago and its so cheesy and lame. i love michael mann for heat alone, nevermind the other cool shit he's done, but jeez... maybe its just the era it was made in or that so much derivative stuff has come since - my first exposure to the 'do you see?' thing was on south park for example. whatever...
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Supremacy was thought to be the one and only sequel, I thought the way the wove Supremacy's wrap up scene into Ultimatum was clever, and it was a good flick. I wouldn't mind seeing another one, and I'm glad to gear they're taking the time to work out a good script before diving in. But I have zero interest in a prequel. It's were that the prequel has become such a commodity in Hollywood because seriously, has there been one single prequel that's been an even halfway decent film? And why would you want to see Bourne without Damon anyways?
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We don't need another Bourne movie. I love 'em, but three is enough. Here's an idea. Try doing something NEW.
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The birth of Jason Bourne
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could be found by reading the books.
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why does hollywood always insist on reusing gimmicks in movies... a 4th bourne doesnt have to have bourne trying to retrieve some piece of his past! just put david webb in a situation where he needs to re-assume the bourne identity (no pun intended) and just turn him loose on a bunch of bad guys... why is that so fucking hard? watch, ill outline the plot of bourne 4. bourne is living completely off the grid, with no ties to anyone except... pamela landy. theyve maintained a clandestine friendship since the end of the previous movie & shes helped him stay off the grid. landy has nikki parsons on her team, now having her name cleared. pam & nikki are running and op and get in over their heads... in a last ditch effort to reach out for help, she gets a message to the now retired bourne/webb who must piece together the clues to find his friend before shes lost forever.
see how i did that? fuck hollywood are you so devoid of any creative talent whatsover that you couldnt think that up on your own? fucking lame! this could start a new series of bourne movies where after this movie, bourne is brought back into the fold and works directly with landy, but on the right side of the gov! hire me hollywood! fucking simpletons! -
where the pre-amnesia Bourne turns out to be Mr Ripley?
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where the pre-amnesia Bourne turns out to be Mr Ripley?
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I hope someone buys Paul Greengrass a tripod before he makes his next movie. And he impales himself on it.
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Ennh. Wake me when they figure out how to mount the camera to a stand and not make the fight scenes full of close-ups and quick-cuts.
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They've already done a Bourne prequel, it's called "Agent Cody Banks" and it rocked!
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Jason: "So ... you're married."
Summer: "Yeah. Crazy, huh?"
Jason: *Delivers fatal throat chop to Summer, walks into a crowd and disappears* -
He was born with superhuman ability.
His mother helped develop the skills.
Now, the government has found their greatest weapon yet.
Co-starring Zooey Deschanel as the babysitter who will stop at nothing to protect lil' Davy Webb. -
You are too funny! Good one!
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I finally found my schtick!
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I mean really, it reads as if he is saying don't hold your breath for a sequel rather than refering to any actual plans for a prequel. Ya, there will probubly be a prequel before we get round to doing it, is just his way of saying it ain't happening any timme soon
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The illegitimate son of the combined sperm of Dennis Hopper and Peter Fonda and a roadside biker whore. He is on a mission to find his chopper lovin' momma.
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If anyone is interested in optioning it, I am accepting all offers.
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I mean, it's been almost three whole years since the last Bourne film, WAY past time to start talking reboot. It's easier than coming up with a new idea, right? And while we're at it, where the hell is that Inglourious Basterds remake that everybody is clamoring to see? Jesus Christ, Hollywood, it's been almost a full year since the original, what the fuck are you waiting for?
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that is all.
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Granted, they never really adapted Ludlum's books, but they could jump onto the Eric Van Lustbader continuation of the series which is good but for one book I didn't like so much.
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Feb 01, 2010 1:48:54 PM CST
Zooey Deschanel is to BRINGINGSEXYBACK
by isleptwithkathybatesandallthatigotwasthi
..as Kristen Bell is to Pennsy.A bit of geeky maths for everyone there. What happened to Pennsy anyway? He had a WHEN IN ROME review and then disappeared. Let's hope that it wasn't such a bad movie that it broke his heart. :(
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This is starting to get on my tits. I sometimes think that Karl Marx confused capitalism with Hollywood when he said it would eventually destroy itself
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Make it happen.
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We've already seen EVERYTHING. Braindead producers, I swear to god.
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At least we got a prety good trilogy before they fucked it up.
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With the people trying to catch him as the "good guys".
Bourne is a psychotic assassin, well someone is trying to stop him.
Enter some smoking hot CIA agent with crazy skills like Sidney from ALIAS :) -
world. OK. I'm weary of Steampunk, but I was just trying to think of some stupid current way past its sell by date fad.
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These films were all superbly made and scripted. I'm all for sequels but only if the quality can be maintained. I'm not sure how a whole new crew for a prequel could do that.
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and the Star Wars prequels sucked too. One has to be careful when making prequels.
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It was pretty awful. It was one of those things where the filmmakers follow the written page pretty accurately, and yet it doesn't work out. It was just....boring. It had good actors. But that douchebag Ratner just doesn't have what it takes to direct. Manhunter was far superior even though it didn't follow the book completely. Brian Cox as a young Hannibal Lecter, supreme! He should play Hannibal from now on if they make another film.
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Why can't they just EXPAND a franchise and not sully it by recasting or rebooting. I had no problem with U.S. Marshals being a Fugative spin off(other than the movie was just average). That is the way to do this shit. Like hardcore fans won't recognize the name Treadstone. Just move on. FFS.
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Its actually a sound concept IMO.
Going back to the first Bourne where he still hasnt started to figure out that he is a tool of some shady organization.
In that movie he is finally taking the baby steps to figure out who he is.
But before that he has no clue and is a mindless killing machine like most of the other agents that are sent for him.
So the movie can show the "good" people who are trying to stop the "villain" Jason Bourne. From within Treadstone and/or from without.
Not because Bourne is a tragic hero who they want to help as in the other movies... but because to them Bourne is the ultimate killing machine and must be stopped. -
Haven't this assclowns in Hollywood understood already that's harder to get a prequel right then a sequel? It's not just a question of saving effort, it's that dramatically, a prequel has the decks staked against it, on account we already know what will happen afterwards.And i don't need to know what happened to Bourne's life before he got amnesiac. I like then mystery quite a lot. Seems Holylwood is goign to defang another great man of mystery hero. First with Indiana Jones by making him a daddy boy and got his name from a dog, and now we are going to know how bourne was before being a killer. Fuck's sakes!!
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The first part is about the rat-like early mammals who evolved to apes. The second part is about the building of HAL and a dude teaching him a 19th century song. And the 3rd part is about the aliens setting up the monolith orbiting Jupiter and then making that victorian hotel room and wait for astronaut Bowman to show up. Yeah, that would be such a great movie to watch!!Prequels, what a fucking great idea!
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That means it's dead. What did prequels do for Hannibal, Star Wars, or even the Scorpion King? Okay, maybe SW is out of place in that list, but do you see them making more movies now? Hmm?! This is all about being too cheap to bring back Greengrass.
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You know why i don't think RED DRAGON is a bad movie? It's nothing to do with Brett Ratner per se. Firs,t the cast is very good. The script is pretty good too, a very good adaptation of the book. The cinematography is quite alright. And Brett Ratner, in the only moment in his entire career where he had a good idea, he decided to IMITATE AND COPYCAT directors far more talented then himself. It was his copycat-ing that made this movie his only one i would say is a good or decent movie. It's bgood because the directros he copycat from are so good they can make a movie good even in a carbon copy version. It's mro a testement to this directors that got copied then from Ratner's own "skills" as a filmmaker. Food for thoughts.
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We'll split the royalties. We're rich I tells ya. Rich!
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but unless she can take down a Mexican drug gang AND belt out a tune, she ain't no Zooey.
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I'm normally against remakes, but I'd pay money to see the second two Bourne flicks remade with a steady-cam. They sounded like good movies, I sure would like to be able to actually see them.
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Have none of these cunts heard of intergrity?
The trilogy is fine on its own.
Move on Matt. Let it go. -
Jason Bourne tries his hand at singing and dancing where he falls madly in love with a Swedish choreographer. They pose rubbing their pecs together for the poster.
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Jason Bourne gets deported back to Norway where he lives in a cardbord box and tries to convince people he's really the talented Mr. Ripley.Lots of shit blows up.
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I think Damon's just saying that, "Because Greengrass & I aren't gonna do another film for half a decade, Universal will probably throw something together without us unti we're ready. He likely doesn't know if they are or aren't doing something, he's just surmising that the studio's gonna try to milk the cash cow in another way until they get back around to doing another sequel."
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There's loads of fine fine stuff in that film. MANHUNTER and SILENCE are both better (I reckon MANHUNTER aces it, partly because of Brian Cox and partly because of the intensity the young William Petersen had back in the 80s). Besides, the whole CSI franchise would never have happened without MANHUNTER. RED DRAGON is just a slavish copy of SILENCE (I remember reading an amusing interview with Jonathan Demme when he was recalling Ratner ringing him incessantly for pointers). RISING isn't awful, just redundant - Laurentiis basically blackmailed Thomas Harris into writing it.
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After playing the "sword of Michael" on craigslist imo he can be bad@$$ as bourne.....jason bourne.
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After playing the "sword of Michael" on supernatural imo he can be bad@$$ as bourne.....jason bourne.
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Great action, great plot twists, real heart + fucking spectacular action + one of the coolest movie endings of all time (which they managed to screw up in the third one).
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Although on craigslist you can prolly find someone wanting to play a "sword of michael"....in the casual encounters section ;)
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Not you too, Jason Bourne. Not ANOTHER prequel/reboot! Oh, my God. They ARE out of ideas. They really, truly are.
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sam worthington BLOWS. just like scott speedman... hes just a pretty cardboard cutout
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if your idea was the script for the next bourne movie i would definitely be watching that. no its not hard to make creative ideas. i just dont get it either. if they were gonna start over make it a new show on HBO and start at the beginning and you would have way more time to flesh out the story and add more details from the book. the jackel, the chinese plot from the second book etc... it would be a great series i think
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Can't they leave it alone now? At least leave it five years before they reboot. Maybe someone can start rebooting Avatar already.
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Agent Jason Bourne is sent back in time to take out a communist karl urban teenager.
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Can anybody think of a good one? When the best prequel is "Missing in Action 2: The Begining" you know you are in trouble.Name a good prequel.Making a Bourne prequel is a terrible mistake.
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Nobody will notice these days, anyway
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Reboots, remakes, prequels, sequels gotta die!!!
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Just like they do with everything else.
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the part with Deniro anyways. Just sayin.
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Feb 01, 2010 7:14:08 PM CST
I like the Bourne films well enough, but Damon is clearly a DOUC
by linguo_is_dead
He's just speaking out his ASS, and empire is crappy enough to "report" it. GO TEAM AFFLECK!
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they can do what they like with the franchise SO LONG AS THEY PICK A DIRECTOR WHO HAS HEARD OF THE TRIPOD
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(Bourne to be Alive!)
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Jason Bourne joins a motorcycle gang. Together they terrorize small towns until one day he meets a girl who he doesn't want to rape. They fall in love, have wild sex, and this triggers a nearly erased memory of when he raped the girls mother. In horror he realizes he is in love with his daughter! Then he puts her head in a purple box, is kidnapped, and spends the next several years locked in an apartment.
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you dumbass Merrick
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I think Matt Damon is taking the piss. He's making fun of the whole prequel/reboot phenomena and basically telling them: "I'm booked solid for the next few years. Come up with a decent script and we'll talk." He has no reason to milk this franchise unless his next few movies tank.
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Your 2001 Prequel Trilogy was the Funniest Thing I've Read on Here in a Long Time. Your Sly Wit is much more appealing than your Rabid Anger.
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Jason dies and is reincarnated as Jason Vorhees
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azi: he's right.
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Feb 01, 2010 10:37:34 PM CST
A script???? They shot "Ultimatum" without a finished script
by redmond
According to Frank Marshall himself, during a Q&A screening I attended. The script was the weakest part of an otherwise terrific piece of action filmmaking: Come on, a top secret assassination training ground..in the middle of New York...in a public office building????
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First, just wait then. In case you haven't noticed, prequels and/or re-boots are pissing people off. Second, if they're going to do a prequel, why couldn't Damon do it? I actually thought that's what the subject was implying. He's still young enough. If they're going to do a prequel, have him be in it. Because then it would actually be a sequel. Otherwise, just wait and do a sequel in five years. Please.
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In which he chases Brer Fox through disney's splash mountain... ok, I'm fuckin' high.
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I hear Richard Chamberlain and Jaclyn Smith are available. How soon can we star shooting?
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Greengrass fucked up all three movies with jerky style. Carnival rides are less shaky.
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The series only works if Bourne still has amnesia. Here's proof:http://tinyurl.com/ygou7kf
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Got to go with that title
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and he has dirty diapers!
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Seriously, Bourne has run its course. They were decent enough action movies but I not looking forward in 5 years to a middle-aged Matt Damon still going on about fucking Treadstone or whatever the organisation were who fucked him over.
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I aim to please.
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Dear dudes, Does anyone here watch these Bourne thingies repeatedly? Because good as I thought they were in the cinema, I find I have no desire to go back and watch again. I mean, they are really, really good. But not really much fun. I might be on my own here. Let me know. I'm interested.
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Everybody now!
Zoom the camera in
Zoom the camera out
Do the hokey cokey and you shake it all about etc -
I re-watch BOURNE SUPREMACY any day of the week. That's a proper action movie, not that silly girly bullshit stuff that Michael Bay makes and pretents it's a man's movies. And Paul Greengrass KNOWS how to use shaky-cam, which is in itself quite a great skill that only a talented director can, as proved by the complete fuck up made by those hacks who tried and failed miserably, like the aforementioned Bay and AICN's gay-love JJ Abrams, to name a few.
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...to throw up all over the row in front of me when i see this thing in theaters. Ill hold it in till then, no matter how much it hurts... or is physically impossible.
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Is "I'm f'ing done with f'ing Bourne. Stop asking me questions about it, you assholes."
We don't need another film in this franchise. Not with Greengrass and not with Damon. Thus, a B-movie prequel is the only thing the studio can sell us. Which is what they're doing.
Damon as Bourne is gone. Let it be a good memory. -
Indeed.
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he needs Ye Olde Money Run. He'll have his "I Am Not Spock"..."I Am Spock" moment, as they all do. Depp is smart by stating on record that he'll probably be doing Jack Sparrow in dinner theater, eventually, and loving it.
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JBamm takes down Treadstone's Seaside Heights operation, then hits Karma with his boys - but not before some proper GTL.
Co-starring Joan Allen as Pamela "Candy" Landy, David Strathairn as Noah "NVogue" Vosen and Pauly D as his always reliable wingman. -
Set it and forget it.
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It's a reboot, haters.
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The trailer sure makes you want to think that.
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