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WALL STREET: MONEY NEVER SLEEPS trailer looks real damn good!
Hey folks, Harry here - and wow this trailer looks great - from the FOX Logo till the Movie's Logo - it just looks sharp as hell. I LOVE the scene parallel to Jake getting out of jail, to Gordon getting out. I can tell that Oliver Stone has something really special in store with this. I know most of you seem to have an uncontrollable dislike for Shia, but personally - I like him. Besides, I doubt there's vine swinging and monkeys in this sequel. Right? Thanks to AB King for sending this link along:
Click to watch THE RETURN OF GORDON GEKKO: Greed Is Legal!!!
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...the least predictor of quality there is.
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By me anyways. Always liked his stuff.
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okay i guess. All the young actors and actresses look like fake people to me.
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I was watching Wall Street the other day, and was amazed by the size of the phone when he is on the beach talking to Charlie Sheen. Looks like the same phone. Still Skeptical on the movie though. If it is PG-13 I will NOT give this movie a chance. Oliver Stone movies made with that rating blow.
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...you fat prick.
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Couldn't it just be Wall Street 2? Wall Street: Money Never Sleeps sounds likes one of those crappy direct-to-DVD sequels. Behind Enemy Lines: Money Never Sleeps.
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And how is this Thread news when JD Salinger dies today?
Hmmm?
Let's talk about how it is now inevitable that they are going to make a fucking movie on "A Catcher in the Rye". -
We're going to sleaze our way to the top 80's style.
(insert Safety dance riff here)
Blast back kudos all around.
(I just hope Douglas got his Boneitis cured first. -
Transformers 3..?
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Gotta love the cell phone part. Though I still loath Shia. There was better young talent out there Stone could have used.
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Know what: An actor cannot be judged solely on movies he starred in that sucks. Don't be a narrow-minded geek.
And Shia makes more money than you or I.
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Gecko: You have to abandon emotion if you are gonna make it on Wall St.Shia: No! No!No!No!No!No!No!No!
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He should be the guy returning Gordon Gekko's belongings in the prison! "One suit - black. One pair of sunglasses - black. One prophylactic - soiled."
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I'll only see it if it's in 3D.
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Harry i knew you were a brown nose but i didn't know you were a snowballer too!!
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I just hope that it can live up to the first one.
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the Falling Down sequel - Getting Back Up.
Love that movie
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...would be okay if this is a comedy, but in a Wall Street sequel? CSeemed like a cheap gag. Plus kinda stupid.
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Jan 28, 2010 6:28:36 PM CST
Did you just compare this to "The Blues Brothers"?
by the reluctant austinite
"One gold money clip: Empty." compared to "One condom: Soiled." I can see that, but it takes a serious movie geek brain to relate "Wall Street" to "The Blues Brothers". At least I'm old enough to know what you're talking about!
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Kind of worried they're going to neuter a great character. Still, it might be worthwhile to see Michael Douglas cut loose. I haven't seen him in much for a long time.
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Not because I like watching go getter dickheads be go getter dick heads, but that's the psychological profile with those fucking bastards. And I would love to see a film exploring what that means today, and why these animals just can't let it go. I personally think Shia is a decent choice for a film like this. Although it seems to me that today's "greed is good" mentality is less about young Reagan youth types like it was in the 80's and more about the old establishment continuing to make up for their low self esteem via making all the money thou cans't. I wanna see why these guys, even in todays modern world, can't seem to make enough money to satisfy their own sick psychology. WHyt hey can ruin millions of lives and continue to stand in front of congress and ask "who me?". What concerns me here is talk of a murder plot and Gekko and Shia's character teaming up to take down Josh Brolin. That's just silly Hollywood pap.
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oh come on!!!!they couldn't get Joseph Gordon-Levitt...
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Michael Milken didn't even get that much time!
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Harry giving to Shia or Shia giving it to Harry........you decide!
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or was he too busy beatin' the missus?
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like he's been sitting on something hard all day..............!
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that makes this the best trailer of the year.
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If it ends in any other way, I'll be disappointed.
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Jan 28, 2010 6:46:47 PM CST
Two Jews try to get a hold of the financial district
by professor_monster
sorr, but Sheen is what kept the original moving. This looks like dogshit - Shia is a fucg
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If it ends in any other way, I'll be disappointed.
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until he lost his mojo to the big studios....like they say...money never sleeps.
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u used to be a mean son of a bitch who could bring down a movie with a real 'fan' review. Man u scared the shit out of the studios. Wish you were true to us movie fans again rather than the studios! However in the meantime there is always 'SCREENRANT' and MOVIEHOLE.
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(gives thumbs up!)
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Zack Attack's 'Friends Forever' started playing in my head on a loop. Countdown to Jimmy Fallon somehow remixing this trailer...
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Really, how much?
Because I would definitely sell out too. Times are tight.
My nine to five job is a drag, but I gotta eat. Oh well. -
And yes, Charlie Sheen IS in this...in answer to someone's question above.
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... for the eminently watchable Douglas. I do think Shia The Beef is a little too over-exposed. I liked Disturbia, but I'm sick of seeing Mr The Beef all over the place. And he looks like Wil Wheaton.
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every wall street bastard I have ever worked for/with totally missed the point of the original. For them it was "just don't get caught!" oh well, I'm there. And some people on this talkback need to get a fucking life. You look like a psychotic fuckwad who no one talks to in real life.
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It's all dependent on the project he chooses...a Guide to your Saints...or whatever that movie was called...he was decent. Mostly I'm interested in what Oliver Stone has in store for Gordon Gekko...I like the look of the film from what was shown in the trailer...this could be brilliant...or it could be cliche...I'll give it the benefit of doubt until it's released.
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Extremely disappointed from the get-go that no attempt was made to bring back Terrence Stamp as Sir Lawrence Wildman, or Josh Mostel as Ollie "The Terminator" (fat toady to Gekko. Thankful that Darryl Hannah is nowhere in sight.
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THE DAILY ABSURDIST: http://thedailyabsurdist.blogspot.com/
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Jan 28, 2010 8:31:26 PM CST
They should have Douglas pass his son on the way out of jail
by yackbacker
Hey kid, way to get nailed on that drug charge!
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I'm gonna guess you're in your mid-20s, this is you dipping your toe in the blogosphere and you've got nothing in particular on your mind. You'll become tired with your blog within a month, if you're not there already. Link us again when you have something that you're passionate about.
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figured they'd show a quick glimpse of him.
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I like sequels like this...like 30 years later!
Remember The Color Of Money with Newman and Cruise? Fine film. This could be that good.
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The way trailers should be made.
(Is Carey Mulligan going to make me weep when I see this movie?) -
He is not a bad actor and he is a pretty nice guy I've met him! Very laid back and intelligent!
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He's still around? Most recent thing I've seen him in was Godfather 3.
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I remember reading that he was lined up to do it and I thought that he was a fantastic choice. I FUCKING LOVE Brian DePalma’s classic original and, with Stone attached to the sequel, it looked like the M:I series was off to a great start, my hope being that Scorsese would have done part three. Except it didn’t work out that way. There were endless re-writes until Stone dropped out and Woo ended up making that appallingly bad piece of fucking shit before JJ Abrams screwed the franchise into the ground.
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I'm just asking.
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People argue that because he was in Transformers 1 & 2 along with Indy 4, that he is some sort of star and a box office draw when the fact is that people went to see those movies for the GIANT FUCKING ROBOTS and Indiana Jones. What's sad is that Wall Street 2 might have only been made because this big nosed little rat homo is trying to establish some cred and Stone desperately needs a hit while the recent, real life criminal activity of Wall Street makes a sequel very of the moment.
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And I'm not one of those who hates Shia just to hate Shia, so I'll give him a chance with this one...
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Well I didn't.
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This, however, looks like a Canal Street 'Louie' knockoff of a real goddamn Louis Vuitton.
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can't wait!
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This shit reminds me of that shit.
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You have NO idea what you are missing. Your life ain't complete until you've seen Wall Street. It is quite simply a glorious movie.
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say it all. It's a brave new world and I'm ready for Ollie's take on it.
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And I do believe this was originally supposed to be a TV series.
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Looks like he manned up.
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Jan 28, 2010 10:15:36 PM CST
JUST SPREAD YOUR BUY ORDERS OVER DIFFERENT ACCOUNTS
by bringingsexyback
and you won't get burned.
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Are you daft?!
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That's a cute couple right there!
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That's a whole lot of suck in a minute trailer.
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In fact, didn't Bernie start his ponzi scheme in the 80s? I believe he did. Ollie should've done his biopic instead.
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That shit with the cellphone is Stone off his usual high-quality yayo. Stick with the Columbian shit, Ollie. The Mexicans are cutting it with powdered milk and you're getting nutrition but not enough INSPIRATION!!!!!!
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You should've seen my eyeroll. It was epic.
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Racist.
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Where is all this hate coming from? Jesus!
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Seeing Gecko go down the way he did in the original was Shakespearean perfection. In this one, what happens? He lives in some crappy apt. for 15 on-screen minutes before he scores some big deal and is back rubbing elbows with Trump? Barf.
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The pit of my stomach ...
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What are your thoughts about the iPad, aside from the funny name?
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I'm a big Stone fan bug I've always thought it was a deeply flawed movie. Outside of Sheen Sr and Douglas all the performances are terrible(Hannah, other Sheen, Sean Young, every second of the movie is so predeictable, Sheen was miscast(should have been James Spader instead), and the ending it so fucking awkward(feels like some huge section was deleted or something...idk). As far as the sequel goes I don't know why but I have a good feeling about I can't quite explain. Call it womens intuition...even though I'm a dude. And that cell phone gag will kill in the theatre. Or it would have if they hadn't given it away in the trailer. Fuck.
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The first one wasn't a comedy... you can only go so far playing off references. Shia should be in math class, not playing with stocks.
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The first movie wasn't even that good anyhow. Watchable but wasn't amazing. I think the actual title of WALLSTREET makes it a supposedly rich film but it was just ridiculous at some points (you can't make money by just snooping... that's just cheesy).
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But to be honest, I'm not sold on the iPad. I was *really* hoping for an actual computer, you know, with a real OS and multitasking apps. The iPad is a very very limited machine- it forces you to consume media in its prescribed way. I was holding off on an e-reader until I saw what Apple would offer, and now I'm set on getting a SONY bad boy once the tax return comes in. You?
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but must be said again...
trailer sucked. harry sucks.
quote from Gordon "someone reminded me that I once said 'greed is good', well now it seems its also legal".. what the fuck does that mean!! did Wall Street take place in an Orwellian alternate universe where emotions were illegal? what the fuck. Stone sucks and the movie will too. -
Great Futurama reference.
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what kind of faggot still laughs at a "big cell phone" moment. its been fucking 15 years. jesus fucking christ some people are retarded.
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That sucked.
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And what, like that's not how it is in real life? These fucking cocksuckers get away with shit worse than murder... they ruin lives and contribute NOTHING to society... they move money around. And trust me, Shia is perfect for the type of wily little prick that winds up at one of these firms. If he gets there because of his father, all the better. I originally thought it would be about Gecko seeing greed even bigger than he could ever imagine and being repulsed by it or playing it like a fiddle for his own ends, but now I see that this is what it SHOULD be... because like another TBer said, they NEVER learn. Look at wall street today, they're still arrogant, smug, fuckheads after all that's happened.
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Completely different dynamic, and infinitely more entertaining.
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Jan 28, 2010 11:26:16 PM CST
"Gecko, you're so fucking GREEDY and you don't even know it"
by yackbacker
See, funny!
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I wanted to want one, but I don't see anything worth shelling out $500 minimum for. I'm not drinking the Kool Aid on this one. Oh, and it's actually made me believe that some people are really hypnotized by Steve Jobs and the Apple logo. Otherwise sane friends are like, "But look at that thing." Look at WHAT, exactly? If another company put out the
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...if another company put out the exact same product, they'd be like, really? a 4:3 device, not 16:9? Besides that, how is this NOT a giant itouch? I just don't get it, and I'm starting to believe the people who say apple fanboys are onboard for anything the company puts out, regardless of quality.
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lived on daytrading for years in between gigs. i take it any of you who hate Wall Street types sight unseen also hate Josh Brolin. would only make sense.
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As did that whole fucking movie.
It's a fucking movie based on serials, bastard. Besides, Harry your review was fucking positive so why be a whore now? That's right, because you are always a whole -
I know what you're saying. Expectations were through the roof for this thing. But at a starting price of $499 I think this is a winner, especially for the e-reader market. Will be getting one for that purpose, as the wife has been wanting a reader. This way, I get to play with it too. I think Apple is holding back the big features for future high-end versions, considering the technologies they've acquired but have not yet incorporated in the current design.
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Aspect ratio of 4:3 makes sense - this is a device for book & mag reading, browsing and some productivity apps - not just for watching Wall Street ...
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"Phones are how big now?""The president is what color?""Whats a lap-top...is that how you say it?""Follow you on Twitter?""What do you you mean high school kids do my job better out of their moms basement better than I ever did?"Trailer sucked ass.
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first as tragedy and then as farce I guess. This film looks really over the top and not at all consistent with the very earnest tone of the first film. Are we supposed to find Gordon Gekko to be delightfully evil now?
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If you told me two months ago this thing was going to be a supersized iPod Touch, I would have laughed at you. The key for me is the OS. If they change it to OSX, I'm fucking theirs, I'll even plop down $1K for that fucker.
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should be an in theater "drinking game"... could get interesting at the Magic Johnsons by me.
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hah josejones
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pixies reference?
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Just re-read that crystal skull review and its obvious this sites run by the movie studios now. Whada whore
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Damn You Michael Bay
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This looked slightly intriguing to me. A twisted inversion of In Good Company. The limo scene was an indication of how times have changed since the 80's. Times, but not Stone's political leanings. They're just more widespread now. Drink the KoolAid, saps! Yeah, that's right! Capitalism Bad! Poverty Good! String up the FatCats! All Rich Must Die!
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He's done some great stuff over the years. Lately though, he's not been cast in anything meaty. Welcome back Gordon!
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fucking great! Fuck all you fat, balding, penniless, hateful, cock-sucking losers who think otherwise.
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That looks awesome.
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Bring it Stone.
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And then it'll be considered to be a hit. Oh, and lose the screenplay.
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will appear in the last five minutes and kick the living shit out of Mulligan. Shia shanks him, goes to jail. CUT TO BLACK.
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Pretty please.
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When in God's name are we finally going to get The Godfather remake with Shia as Michael Corleone and Al Pacino doing a cameo as the Don? It's fresh!
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Just sayin.
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glad the trailer doesnt give everything away and i do like how gekko transforms from the start to the end of the trailer
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or do you think the world wide economic collapse is all a dream fuck, i so hate every wingnut walking on the face of the planet...forget the muslim terrorists, we should be putting you fucks into gitmo
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So, will Oliver Stone be kinder to the moneygrubbers this time ? Now that he's old ?!?
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Oh my goodness those logos were fabulous! I hope the logos stay the same when the final movie is out! Ooh!! Those logos!!! Ooh!! Thanks for pointing out how amazing those logos are... now I can't stop thinking about them!... ooh I'll be dreaming about those logos tonight!!
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So what if he make smor emoney then all of us combined? What kind of logic is that? Money = worth? Michael Bay makes more money then a baby, and a baby could direct a movie better then he can. You got the point now?
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Of course Shia isn't the only hollywood star who would implode into a blackhole if he weren't constantly being infused with hydrogen by the powers that be in Hollywood, but he's one of the most glaring examples.
Audiences aren't buying the James Dean persona they keep trying to sell us about on Shia Lebleh. But they're gonna keep trying. -
Here's some help;
VO: Some secrets are better left untold....but this summer, fates get revealed....
Heart beats starts in the darkness, each beat revealing a shot of douglas collecting his things, with the cellphone shot revealing a "Transformer" type gun folding back into the 2-lb cell as it's handed to Douglas.
Shia on helicopter, looking serious, holding top secret folders......
RECUT THIS THING
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Neither does ILM apparently, SNARPH!
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"Gekkoooooooooooooooooooh!"
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I look for forward to seeing the return of Gordon Gecko. So iconic, the hankerchief, the gold watch, the money clip!
Maybe some of you should learn a bit about financial markets, you'd realize how how we're all being fucked over on a daily basis while a handful of investment banks grow more & more powerful. I suppose that's what he means by greed being legal, that our governments support these monsters & give them the green light. -
That is all.
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Just trying to fit in around here. Did I misuse the lingo?
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misanthropic internet fatties who pretty much hate everything.
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SHUT THE FUCK UP! You're so desperate for a response from Harry you're foaming at the mouth. He's obviously not interested in you and stronger than I, because I responded to your diarrhea of the keyboard. Your opinions are worthless. The energy you siphon off from the universe is detrimental. Just go away. There I typed it whew! You're welcom everyone! Someone needed to do it.
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Looks good. Very risky doing a sequel of a classic all time favorite. However the amount of time that has passed may make this a great addition to the original, a natural progression considering what's going on in the real world. See TB folk? That is how you comment on a film yet to be released. Not with whiney judgmental opinionated diarrhea of the keyboard. I swear I'd love to teleport the usual suspects in here to a huge conference room to debate with you, because there is no way you can have these opinions in the light of day without your anonymity. I am not referring to you BSB, you funny.
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Proof that this was written by the same person who wrote the screenplay Conan the Barbarian. Greed has never been illegal.
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Well that quote makes sense for that particular character...seeing as he's just getting out of prison after a 20 year stint for his "greed". Also, I'm not sure..but are you using "the screenplay Conan the Barbarian" as an insult...because that's one of the greatest movies of all time? Although Stone didn't write Wall Street 2.
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Yeah, I love Conan... Stone's version of Wall Street is just as much fantasy as his take on JFK or W. Great entrainment, but it's fantasy land stuff.
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was probably one of the worst things I've ever seen in a movie let alone an Indiana Jones movie. Oh, and it was completely juvenile as well, so if you really think it "kicked ass" then you need to "grow the F up."
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It's just glorified legal gambling.
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You tedious fuckers and your "This will suck!" mantra is one of the reasons I visit here less and less.
That cell phone phone bit got you all in funk? Think about nitwits...you were fully aware you were watching the Wall Street trailer and that Gecko was the character being revealed. Most people will see this trailer in the theatre and not know who this is until revealed. That scene will most likely not even be in the film.
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Man...Shia has made a few decent movies, and a few lame ones (mainly Transformers, but hes collecting a pay check I suppose). BUT...when Shia opens his mouth he isnt spewing pure retarded drabble like Oliver Stone, so I'll be the first to say...Oliver Stone USED to know how to make a decent movie, but is to busy now trying to understand Stalin, Mao, and Hitler and rewrite history, to even know how to make a good movie. SO eff the Shia hate here, its much easier to go after Stone.
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It's one of the things that seriously dates the original film. And to deal with it in a humorous way is clever. Plus, those phones cost something like $10,000 at the time and almost nobody had one. So it was a status symbol. Plus, those phones are what killed Johnny Cochran.
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Listen to Glen Beck much? How about you wait until Stone's documentary actually comes out before you start lobbing ill-informed mindless criticism towards it. Oh, that's right, it's just easier to to submit to blind hatred.
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Jan 29, 2010 9:49:47 AM CST
Well, stabby, we can infer that since Oliver Stone rewrote
by coughlins laws
history with Nixon, W, JFK, and Alexander, that he is going to rewrite history again with these movies....
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Very good trailer to get us back into the swing of things. Although I'm not a huge fan of the "techno rock" they played. At the very least, this will be an interesting Post-80s' Gekko story. With Stone & Douglas putting it together, there's no way it'll be terrible. Regarding all the other actors (Shia, etc.) I'm all good. I'm sure they'll all do fine. The movie has a chance of, like the first one, being completely relevant to its time. It may not be as good as the first one, but it damn sure will be interesting. I just want one scene where Gekko repeats the phrase, "When I get a hold of the son of a bitch who leaked this, I'm gonna tear out his eyeballs, and I'm gonna suck his fucking skull."
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If not, I'm not interested.
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But I wonder if the movie will be worthwhile. Oliver Stone hasn't exactly been on a winning streak lately and his return to past glories could be a bunch of unneeded nostalgia thrown on the screen.
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Anyone who admires dictators and communist can take their movies and shove it. That goes for all the actors in them.
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when you want to make a sequel to your dated 80's movie that looks like a sequel to your dated 80's movie with a rodent-faced dweeb in it!
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Just go out, find yourself a guy, and get yourself some good butt-sex already! God, you closeted fags are so pathetic! Shia arouses your hormones so you all compensate with these totally over-the-top insane rants. Get a life - get some dick!! This looks really promising to me. Loved the original and hope this one packs the same kind of punch. Don't let us down, Ollie.
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You ... pretty okay yourself.
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There is a difference between a documentary and a narrative account of an historical event. Did anyone expect any of those movies to be completely accurate. For that matter you can throw in The Doors and Born of the 4th of July. cornealius and conservatives of his ilk seem to be pushing this lie that Stone is going to make Stalin, Mao, Hitler and Castro into misunderstood heros. Just not true. In fact it is a lie based on nothing but hatred of Stone's liberal political views. One of the things I do know about these docs is that he calls out Americans like George Bush' grandfather who financially supported the Nazis because of their stance against the Communists. That is historical fact. No rewrite necessary!
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Thanks. And by the way, your nick is just evil. I love it.
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Jan 29, 2010 11:15:39 AM CST
When will the neo-con Georgie Dumbya Bushie ass-lickers...
by asimovlives
... come up and start accusing Oliver Stone of being a communist because he had the dare to think that rampant criminal financial actions done by psycothic fucks who fuck up the lives of millions of people in their eternal quest to get richer and richer is a bad thing? When will the freaks come out?
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Jan 29, 2010 11:15:56 AM CST
Well, normally I would agree this looks like a desperate attempt
by coughlins laws
to reignite a sagging career by going back to the well that got you there, (i.e.- see Indy 4, Lethal Weapon 4, Basic Instinct 2, Die Hard 4, Rambo 4, Bloodsport 23, etc, etc, etc), but I think that with the new wave of corporate and Wall Street scandals, Oliver Stone might have something fresh to say about guys like Bernie Madoff or the bank bail-outs. He might be a little crazy (JFK was a completely looney and jumbled mess, but damn if I could take my eyes off the screen), but Stone at his best can make a highly watchable movie. I expect this will be one of those kinds of movies I can't help but watch....
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Too bad Oliver Stone for some reason saw Shia swinging with Monkeys and thought...."if he nails Transformers 2 he's my man!"
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"Money Never Sleeps" MEAN anyway? Talk about a shitty title...although at least it wasn't "Wall Street Origins: Gordon Gekko - The First Offender".
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I'm not betting on Stone again.
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It was a line from the original - Gekko calls Bud at like 5AM and said "money never sleeps pal".
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1.) Holes (yeah, it's a kiddie flick, but he was good in it.) 2.) The Greatest Game Ever played...if you haven't seen this period golfing piece, seriously give it a look. 3.) A Guide to Recognizing Your Saints...good solid performance here. 4.)Disturbia...I was rooting for him.2 meh performances (TF 1 and 2) and the rest are crap (indy iv, I robot, Charlies Angels, Constantine).Oh, I forgot Bobby, he was good in that too as the campaign kid for RFK.He's ok, doesn't deserve all the hate.
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Jan 29, 2010 11:51:13 AM CST
Stabby, there's a whole generation of people who think
by coughlins laws
that JFK is an accurate portrayal of what happened concerning the Kennedy Assassination. The movie made up people, misrepresented what they said, portrayed the tax-cutting, Communist hating Kennedy as a modern day Communist/Dictator appeasing liberal, and tried to show that instead of a lone Communist killing the President, it was a vast right-wing cabal, involving the CIA and the Mafia, and LBJ and Nixon, and anyone else he could think of, all because JFK didn't want the Viet Nam War, WHICH HE STARTED AND ESCALATED HIMSELF!!!
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Anywhere else to load this trailer?
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If it wasn't for shia...
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Jan 29, 2010 12:01:38 PM CST
And Stabby, make up your mind. Are his movies inaccurate
by coughlins laws
or not? AS far as the family line doing things that somehow, in your twisted mind, indict the offspring, AlGore's father was all for the KKK hanging black people and Barack Obama's father was a serial-adulterer, Communist. What's your point about what Bush's Grandfather allegedly did? (BTW, I'm not going to argue what you're talking about because that's history from the 30's that no one can know for 100% accuracy, but you have to remember, nobody knew in the 30's what the Nazis and Hitler were planning on doing. No one outside of Germany and Poland knew what was going on with the Holocaust until the War was almost over. To try and cast some kind of shame on someone for allegedly having business ties with the Party of Hitler before Hitler was in power or killed a single person yet is just horrible guilt by association. The Communists in Russia and elsewhere had killed millions more than Hitler ever did during the entirety of WW2 and it was clear they were evil people. The world didn't immediately know that Hitler was evil and planned World Domination till he'd been in power for years...)
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Well put together with 2 big laughs. More than can be said for most trailers.
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The reason I used the Bush patriarch as an example is because people are going to get all defensive and say that Stone is attacking conservatives and attacking America because he hates America and the right wing talking heads are already doing just that. Fact is that America is no blameless beacon of puppies and sunshine in history and has played it's part in a lot of questionable shit over the years. Just read Howard Zinn's "A People's History of the United States." My understanding of Stone's documentary series is that it will be similar to Zinn's book. Many right wingers would say acknowledging this history is proof of liberal's hatred for America. REasoned mines would argue that we need to know the ugly truth so that it doesn't happen again. Because America strives to be the best it can. Conservatives have no problem attacking America when the liberals are in charge.
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Jan 29, 2010 12:16:05 PM CST
As far as supporting people that go on to be killers,
by coughlins laws
say you financially supported Candidate A, gave him part of his $500 million War Chest, and he got elected. Then you see him escalate a War near the Middle East and thousands of Americans/non-Americans die. Do you see blood on your hands? You don't? Than why should someone who gave money to a political party in another country 80 years ago be responsible for the eventual Holocaust and deaths in WW2 when that person had no way of knowing what they would do once they were in power?
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Well,I dont know if I share the same hatred for this guy as you-he just strikes me as a kid that got lucky.Right time,right place,etc.As regards his acting ability-it aint as bad as some.No,I feel that Wall Street 2 would have been a MUCH worse movie if Mr Stone had picked the actor that appears to be everywhere these days-Sam Worthington.Jeez,that guy rose without trace,and every movie hes in he ruins with his wooden acting.The man is utterly useless,and his success inexplicable.So,hate Shia all you want folks-just be glad it aint Sam the plank in this potentially good movie.
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take a second to laugh at you...OK, I'm back. It's not that conservatives deny that our country has had ugly incidents in our past. It's when you dwell on every bad thing in this country, overlooking all the great things about this country, including our unparalleled generosity all the blood we have spilled for the freedom of others. That's why it's hard to believe someone like Howard Zinn or our President loves America. Howard Zinn can't seem to say one bad thing about the system he loves (Communism, which has failed every time it's been tried, not to mention killed over 100 million people...), and he can seem to stop tearing down the country that allows him to say the things he says about America, totally ignoring the fact that had he been living in a Communist Country, he'd be killed for showing his government to be evil...
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whatever was the outcome of his death and what actually happened? I forget about it and can't remember if there was any official accounment about it. Anybody know?
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without rose colored glasses is so that never again do we prop up a dictator like Saddam Hussien nor support a future terrorist like Osama Bin Laden. Those are our monsters we helped make and as we all know it came back to bite us in the ass. And, no Howard Zinn is not my hero, actually Noam Chomsky is (just kidding). But if you actually read his book you would know that it is comprised of actual letters from real people in history who happened to experience the rise of America on the shit end of the stick. And I will stand up for those American's voices which are just as important as anyone else's any day.
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Normally, I don't agree with you, but I sadly think you're right about kids growing up believing JFK is a historical document. There are a number of books as well as docs on the History channel that prove otherwise, especially regarding Stone's saintly portrayal of Jim Garrison. I think the real problem comes in when neither side sees the forest for the trees, and I think with JFK, (as with the 9/11 nuts), facts get in the way of a good conspiracy theory. People have a hard time believing the world can be that random and chaotic... it pretty much becomes religion, a way to explain away the harsh realities of the universe.
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Jan 29, 2010 12:42:41 PM CST
Stabby, I don't look at the world through rose-colored glasses
by coughlins laws
But at the time, Iran was a HUGE threat to us, were very active in terrorism, and had taken US Hostages. We HAD NO CHOICE but to befriend Saddam Hussein against Iran. As far as bin Laden, the USSR are still the biggest killers in the history of Planet Earth. It was in our interests for them NOT to be occupying Afghanistan. I'm afraid the problem with Chomsky and Zinn, they see NO EVIL in the world, EXCEPT for the United States...
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It's just two examples of America supporting evil men when it is in our best interest to do so. You reap what you sew. And I don't believe that Chomsky and Zinn can be so simply reduced to America haters. It's just that they are trying to shed a light on a history that the status quo would just as soon sweep under the rug. Their views may be lopsided, but that is because they are in the serious minority trying to shed light on things that most people don't want to hear about or believe. But history is history.
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as long as someone records it, that is.
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and Chomsky and Zinn really choose to NOT see the evil inflicted upon the world by other countries/ideologies. After a while, it's a bit disingenuous, especially considering if they were to write books criticizing the Soviet Union or Nazi Germany while LIVING under those regimes, they'd be lying face down in a ditch with a huge hole through their head. There's room for all opinions though, and it's up to the reader to inform his or herself and live up to a more objective and rational point-of-view.
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What might have happened if the U.S. let the Soviets steamroll Afghanistan? Or what would Iran look like today if we ignored the situation?
We will never know. To play that kind of 'what if' game leads to madness. You can only react to the situation you are presented with.
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43 seconds in the trailer you see Harry blowing Shia....blink and you'll miss it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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that these were evil men? bin Laden, at the time, looked like a freedom fighter helping fight off an oppressive, imperial, occupying force. Hussein, at the time, hadn't shown his gassing-and-raping-his-own-people side and Iran was our biggest threat in the region. You 20/20 Hindsight is amazing. Unfortunately, we can't hide from the rest of the world. We have to choose sides. Sometimes it's the right side. Sometimes we have no choice. There are no perfect solutions. Sometimes the enemy or my enemy is my friend is what we are forced into. The world is a very chaotic, evil place. And dwelling on past "evils" in our country is not constructive. Acknowledging what the US did to Native Americans and our past with slavery is important. However, we were also one of the first countries to ban slavery and we lost 620,000 Americans ending slavery, not to mention the millions all over the world we feed and have given freedom to. Overall, this country has done a Hell of a lot more good in this world than bad and guys like Zinn, Chomsky, and Michael Moore attack this country all day long but refuse to acknowledge the good, which vastly outweighs the bad...
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2hours 30mins in; the credits roll and then there it is in all its glory....a blank screen. worth the wait i say.....!
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********************THE EXPENDABLES TRAILER***************************
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Say I.............
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Wall street 2 is expendable
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break a mo'fo' EXPENDABLES story u man bitch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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in the media. I think a lot of the audience this film will be playing to will possibly be disgusted and somewhat outraged by all the Wall Street/New York excess onscreen, even if the film is supposedly trying to criticize or satirize the wealthy elite of this nation.Douglas as Gekko seems to not have missed a beat though. I suppose that is what might get me to see this. I do have to admit though, that the big-ass 80's cell phone was priceless.
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Anyone who doesn't realize this is a quote straight from Gecko's mouth from the original movie either wasn't paying attention or hasn't seen the original and is lambasting the title for no good reason.
The cell phone is funny and he always had that damn thing on him, so I can totally see it. Even a serious movie usually has a few lighter moments to it, the original did. Michael Douglas is (almost) always great and I've been looking forward to this one for awhile. -
Gekko would never have reformed. He'd never have gotten it. Stone is desperate.
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I know you're prolly not reading this, but I first noticed you as a blonde in a bit part in Publiq Enemies. It wasn't until An Education I found out your name. Even with the short red hair you looq awesome. You have beauty, talent, don't get entangled with lequeef! He likes to asq dudes to punch him when he's drunq!
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And that's how he makes his money back?
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It's called catharsis... I'm looking forward to this, and like SSquirel said, if people don't 'get' this trailer then it's unlikely you 'got' the original. The music, the way it's shot, the graphic, and yes, the cell phone are all perfect... Wall Street captured the zeitgeist of 80's greed at the time and now is no better time to do the same thing all over again. Stone made a movie that took the temperature of the times and even if this sucks, this is one of the very few times that I think a sequel is justified not by untapped potential at the end of the original, but by external ACTUAL events creating new story potential. Had the last few years never happened, I don't think Stone would have made this movie.
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this fucking film is completely relevant now.
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A list of credits: 21, New Amsterdam, Things We Lost In The Fire. Not exactly Midnight Express, that guy.
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when he tries to do something "mainstream"...you can kind of see him working...i could have predicted what would be in this trailer before it even hit...that said...Blues Brothers opening was great...the rest looked completely awful and uninspired..ironically..this movie is a money grab...Avatar was just ok....let's see OT in 3D and Aliens...
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... and it's damn good!
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Jan 29, 2010 4:59:48 PM CST
Oohhh, the neo-cons Dumbya Bushie ass-kissers are complaining!!!
by asimovlives
Poor things!!
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That title sounds like the name of a really bad hip hop album.
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Eli Wallach? I'm fucking there
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Gekko - Hair product = Failure
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I want to like Oliver Stone SO much, but he makes it impossible. This looks shit, and is clearly a disgrace to the original. What's next? Platoon: Blood is Forever?
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meh. good cast though
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Looked awesome at first, but suspecting it was the kick ass music being played over it I watched it again on silent, where it then appeared rather dull.
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I've come to realise he isn't all that awesome. Aside from classics Platoon & Natural Born Killers, and a couple of cool but by no means classic movies (J.F.K, Wall Street, Nixon) he really isn't one of our great movie makers, far more mediocre or just plain bad output than great or even good.
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Yeah, you only do so because it's the cool thing to do. The guy has talent and yes, will be BETTER than the over-rated Charlie Sheen.
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A TRANSLATION?
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Gekko causing The Great Recession(while ending on the plus side) as payback for being sent to jail while everybody else made money through his tactics.
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it made me think of blues brothers straight away as well.
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moaners fuck off and die please
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Jan 31, 2010 1:12:15 AM CST
Wall Street 2...Tron Legacy...next: Blade Runner 2: Blade Walker
by arjaybee
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That was pretty damn underwhelming. The original certainly wasn't a comedy. Plus it's just really weird to see Gordon so disheveled. I don't see how his character would let himself look like that. He was EXTREMELY vein in the first movie, like Christian Bale in American Psycho, so why does he look like a fucking homeless bum now?That trailer does NOTHING to explain the plot, or even the concept of this film. It's Gordon Gecko gets out of prison and he's not really like you remember him. Oh, and Shia Labouf is in it".My response: *yawn*
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means I won't see a movie. Still have yet to see the fourth Indy movie due to him.
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