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Beaks here...
Here comes our second review from Tuesday's Las Vegas test screening of ROBIN HOOD, and, once again, there are loads of GLADIATOR comparisons. This time, however, they're not so favorable. Let's see what MARZ has to say about the fifth collaboration between Ridley Scott and Russell Crowe...
Harry,
I saw Robin Hood at Rave theaters in Las Vegas last night. I was also fortunate 10 years ago to be in the test screening of Gladiator in San Diego. I read the review from the other attendee, although his descriptions are accurate and the fact they did not rely on CGI was impressive, my guest and I walked away rather confused. The movie appeared to be Ridley's desire to make another Gladiator-style movie and using the source material of Robin Hood to do so. It was not made clear (purposely or not) at the beginning that this would a prequel-esque storytelling of what we all know to be Robin Hood.
In no way do I think the film is a disaster, Russell Crowe gives a stellar performance and does a lot with the little he has to work with. My confusion contributed to the large cast of characters and the lack of distguising them from one another. King John and the Sheriff of Nottingham actually look alike, and there was an expectation that Sheriff would play some crucial role, however he does not. Other then hitting on Lady Marian and acting like a buffoon, his screen time is very limited.
Ridley Scott is a master of the battle sequences, however there are so many they start to slow the pace of the film down and become repetitive. It appears they are targeting a PG-13 rating so the fights are always shot in very close quarters so the brutality of what is occurring is less apparent and more assumed. There are some shots that are just plain transplants from Gladiator. In the final act of the film the bow & arrow is no longer a part of Robin's arsenal.
The gripes I had about the film is how much I lacked caring about the protagonists. We know Robin doesn't die and Lady Marian is played as a strong woman but lacking any felinity. You're often confused on what exactly they are fighting for or who they plan to fight against as you are constantly waiting for Robin to start stealing from the rich and giving to the poor (which doesn't materialize). You never feel like any of the main or supporting characters are in real danger, and the relationship between Robin Hood and Marian is forced. The end of the film happened so quickly and you are left thinking is this when the real story starts or does the film really end here?
When origins of Robin Hood are revealed in the middle of the movie it seems all too convenient and only contrived to bring the character to a "chosen one" status. In Gladiator, we saw the fall and rise for a General and passionate family man. His personal vendetta was relatable and tangible, this story has less direction. Also, there are several villains in this movie but none of them rose to what Joaquin Phoenix played in Gladiator. His portrayal of Commodus was so good that I actually hated the actor for some time after.
I have no do doubt that Harry and the rest of the viewing audience will come to enjoy this film. Russell Crowe will always demand your attention on screen and is just plain fun to watch. Cate Blanchett is still a beauty, and I fell in love with her in 'Benjamin Button.' Kevin Durand as Little John is just great casting and is funny as hell. Although, this movie is set up for a sequel, I would rather see a prequel staring General Maximus.
Thank you,
MARZ
I've heard other early reactions to the film, and they've all been on the positive side. This is a little surprising. That said, Scott is an inveterate tinkerer, so I'm sure this is far from the final cut (even though he's got another movie nearing production right now).
ROBIN HOOD hits theaters on May 14th.
I saw Robin Hood at Rave theaters in Las Vegas last night. I was also fortunate 10 years ago to be in the test screening of Gladiator in San Diego. I read the review from the other attendee, although his descriptions are accurate and the fact they did not rely on CGI was impressive, my guest and I walked away rather confused. The movie appeared to be Ridley's desire to make another Gladiator-style movie and using the source material of Robin Hood to do so. It was not made clear (purposely or not) at the beginning that this would a prequel-esque storytelling of what we all know to be Robin Hood.
In no way do I think the film is a disaster, Russell Crowe gives a stellar performance and does a lot with the little he has to work with. My confusion contributed to the large cast of characters and the lack of distguising them from one another. King John and the Sheriff of Nottingham actually look alike, and there was an expectation that Sheriff would play some crucial role, however he does not. Other then hitting on Lady Marian and acting like a buffoon, his screen time is very limited.
Ridley Scott is a master of the battle sequences, however there are so many they start to slow the pace of the film down and become repetitive. It appears they are targeting a PG-13 rating so the fights are always shot in very close quarters so the brutality of what is occurring is less apparent and more assumed. There are some shots that are just plain transplants from Gladiator. In the final act of the film the bow & arrow is no longer a part of Robin's arsenal.
The gripes I had about the film is how much I lacked caring about the protagonists. We know Robin doesn't die and Lady Marian is played as a strong woman but lacking any felinity. You're often confused on what exactly they are fighting for or who they plan to fight against as you are constantly waiting for Robin to start stealing from the rich and giving to the poor (which doesn't materialize). You never feel like any of the main or supporting characters are in real danger, and the relationship between Robin Hood and Marian is forced. The end of the film happened so quickly and you are left thinking is this when the real story starts or does the film really end here?
When origins of Robin Hood are revealed in the middle of the movie it seems all too convenient and only contrived to bring the character to a "chosen one" status. In Gladiator, we saw the fall and rise for a General and passionate family man. His personal vendetta was relatable and tangible, this story has less direction. Also, there are several villains in this movie but none of them rose to what Joaquin Phoenix played in Gladiator. His portrayal of Commodus was so good that I actually hated the actor for some time after.
I have no do doubt that Harry and the rest of the viewing audience will come to enjoy this film. Russell Crowe will always demand your attention on screen and is just plain fun to watch. Cate Blanchett is still a beauty, and I fell in love with her in 'Benjamin Button.' Kevin Durand as Little John is just great casting and is funny as hell. Although, this movie is set up for a sequel, I would rather see a prequel staring General Maximus.
Thank you,
MARZ
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And just be 4 hours of russell crowe blowing a tramp
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wtf mate
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ROS was by far the best Robin adaptation, even if the hairstyles and swordfights were on the dodgy side, for two reasons. Nickolas Cage and Ray Winstone.
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Nickolas Grace. Sorry, I've just burned one...
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.. hell I want to love it. But my blood isn't flowing for this, I feel no pull to see it in a theater, I don't know if I'd even pay $1 at Redbox, hmmm, not sure why I feel this way. Is it the middle ages setting? But I do know that this review seems to play to my fears.
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What was the name of that flick again? Any flick that needs the combined star power of Sting, Adams and Rod Stewart to collectively sing the title song has got to be 3x as good...right? Anyways, ROBIN HOOD flicks have always bored the shit outta me. Probably one of my least fav fictional characters. They should update it and have RH go out and rob the scumball corporations who are robbing this country blind.
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Can we please dispose of these fucking redundant, horrible phrases?
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GUY OF GUISBURNE: My Lord Sheriff, Robin Hood and his mean have just stolen the taxes from the guard on the Huntingdon road.
SHERIFF: Well... gosh...! -
Well, since she's not a cat, that really shouldn't be a problem.
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song hoping to capture the feel and popularity of the Prince of Thieves Adams Everything I Do... ending credits theme.
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That show sucked after she cut her hair.
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This had better be R like Gladiator. That seemed to work out well, didn't it?
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Not to be a bitch but this review read like an ESL review from the Taipei screening.
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But I'm not so happy about the bow / arrow thing, that's pretty important.
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Shouldn't a outlaw/woodsman/boderline ninja be able to run a minimum half-mile in the bush carrying light equipment without stopping due to exhaustion. Russell Crowe probably couldn't even pass the most basic army physical training tests.
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Every summer my father and I find a film to go to the theater together over. Sometimes it's Star Wars, a couple of years ago it was Indy, last year it was Trek. This year it's Robin Hood. Be as cynical as you want, nothing is going to ruin my good time.
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Jan 27, 2010 3:14:13 PM CST
The complain train is full steam ahead! choo choo
by itraveledbackintimetoteabagabrahamlincol
you cynical whining fuckers crack me up. Always looking forward towards the next thing you can crap on. Cheer up buckaroos! Its a fucking movie. Its supposed to be fun.
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Robin Hood stole from the GOVERNMENT (a rich, corrupt government, controlled by nobles and such) to give to the poor. Highlight that in your ad campaigns, and this fucking movie might just blow up like a tea party.
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Scott's passionate embrace of shaky-cam has been my biggest bitch with him since G.I. JANE! How does this film fare? Motion-sick viewers want to know!
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Jan 27, 2010 3:28:52 PM CST
Sounds like they should have gotten JettL93 to do a rewrite
by theslimymudhole
Word is, he's one of the very best at writing characters with lots of felinity.
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Needed a laugh - that made my day. "I do not think that word means what you think it means."
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Sorry Guys, that was Femininity, NOT felinity. I will have to beat my auto-correct! Thanks for the ESL comment! :(. I agree, I should have used OF instead of FOR. The bow & arrow are barely in the final act. I sent a revised version but I don't expect Harry to post it.
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If being a cynic means to expect more from our action heroes than I'm guilty. Russell Crowe as Robin Hood instantly dispels the illusion. He is overweight, not that I'm not judging him; he lives a charmed life and he likes to eat which is what I would do in his situation, but at the same time if you desire to be a film star in a role as iconic as Robin Hood, you better hit the gym, not just strength training, but endurance and cardio training. Russell Crowe has gotten a free pass in the movie business, and therefore has allowed himself to get soft, literally. He's fat and lazy, not getting any younger, he's out of shape, and without his top of the line ex-military security, most kids half his age could beat him up, despite the tough guy image he tries to portray. I digress, but what I'm really trying to say is this: the REAL Robin Hood could dispatch his weakest merry man, a 14 year old runt, to deal with Russell in hand to hand combat, and in less than 5 minutes Russell would be dead. Just sayin'
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That would have never happened to Michael Praed.
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The dude's been working constantly, and always appeared in his roles in the shape they required him to be in. I'm not talking of Robin Hood, because I haven't seen it yet and will reserve my judgment until then. But the guy brings whats required of him in every one of his roles, and acting chops to boot. If you're gonna bitch about him being out of shape for Body of Lies and State of Play then consider first what his character is in the context of the movie.
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Sorry but I totally agree with ComeUppance. Other actors his age, like Hugh Jackman, put the man to shame. Ever since "Gladiator," Russel completely let himself go. Every time I see the guy he looks fat, pudgy, and bloated. And no, we're not just talking about Body of Lies here. It was obvious from the "teaser" trailer that Russel didn't bother to get in shape for Robin Hood, which is a major blow to the credibility of the film.
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Paging Ridley's Mojo! Hello! Is anybody there? Hello! Mojo, can you hear me? Hello! Mr. Mojo! Hello! Oh, I give up...
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Thanks for the laugh, needed that. Maid Marian may not have any felinity, but Neytities in Avatar sure does. And Robin Hood will rule the early summer, Titans will suck! You heard it here first.
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After Avatar, I want all my beautiful leading ladies to look like Cat People! Especially Cat Blanchett!
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... after all, no one is purr-fect.
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When we have fully integrated part-animals, Maid Marian will be added to the Disney Princess brand.
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That says all I need to know about Robin Hood!
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Laughin' back and forth at what the other has to say...
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But another Gladiator clone using the Robin Hood legends/lore instead?
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seems to be Ridley Scott's thing anyway. But really, who was looking for another Robin Hood movie anyway? (and I'm a fan of both Ridley Scott and the medieval time period)
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actor working today who is a superior representative of Robin Hood. It's a shame that Russell Crowe is product of some investment cunts. He's good for making money , but when push comes to shove, Russell Crowe the person, is the last person I would ever pick for my militia, because he's a pansy who would run away and die of exhaustion. He would never survive yet all you worship him
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The dudes Feline typo, or the fact that he needs Maid Marian to meet his very specific feminine quota.
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That is the only solution...
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...don't mean to disillusion you, but he's an actor. You see, they make these things called movies and television shows, and they hire people who are good at pretending to play different parts. Neither Elizabeth Shue nor Denise Richards are really nuclear scientists, Edward Norton is not a magician, and Johnny Depp isn't really a pirate. We judge actors by how good they are at pretending.
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invading England in the 12th century. Since historical faithfulness is not a concern, perhaps Robin could fight Guy of Gisborne in the Coliseum in London after he defuses an undetonated V2 aerial bomb launched by Nazi vikings.
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...that robbing from the rich and giving to the poor thing... That's like Robin Hood's signature move. You take that away and you're just a bent piece of wood away from having a Deliverance movie.
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...you make that movie and I'll buy a ticket.
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I may describe all future women in this manner.
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Man the film sounds like a boring mess. It's like Fox sucked out all of his enthusiasm after neutering Kingdom of Heaven and now he just doesn't give a shit anymore. Will rent.
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Easily one of the most annoying crutches employed by lazy and average writers of the last few years.
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Why not, huh? It could be good. We could fill it up with as many ridiculous anachronisms as found in Costner's Prince of Thieves. My favorite was Costner asking: "Did I wrong you in another life, Will Scarlett?" I had no idea Robin was a Buddhist.
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His performances in LA Confidential, The Insider, and Gladiator are all outstanding and worthy of the awards and praise they received. But to say he's good at making money is a bit off when he hasn't had a big hit in a dog's age. And I honestly couldn't give a shit how he'd perform in a militia or whatever it is you're going on about.
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Felinity to describe a woman? The apparent inability top tell the difference between the words "Then" and "Than." I couldn't pay attention, the guy obviously can't read or write.
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Russell Crowe = yay. I would watch him fold laundry. Naked. Which sounds like I might be naked watching him fold laundry. Which works too I guess.Ridley Scott = meh. It used to be all yay all the time for me and the elder Scott, but his stuff just doesn't grab me like it once did. I think he's a great director, but I don't feel invested in his projects necessarily because of him. For me, the subject needs to tingle - Scott alone doesn't make it worthwhile.The story so far = blech. I don't care. I just don't care. This doesn't seem like an interesting examination of the character, or a story that will relate to our hard times, or and exceptional narrative in its own right. There is not a nail to hang my hat on in this one. There's no point.The math does not look good so far.
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They are simply transitional devices. As long as they are not overused, they can serve a function and that is to alert the reader that a complete point has been made and that another is coming that may be in opposition or in conflict with it. Two or three words that economically gets all of that across can be a valid and worthwhile rhetorical technique.
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If it's a prequel, there should be no interaction at all between Robin, Marian, Little John, etc. All of those introductions happened after Robin was already an outlaw.
If this review is inaccurate and that's not how the film works, then ignore this comment. But otherwise, this tendency of "prequels" to mash all the familiar characters together in ridiculous ways, well before they should actually be together (see: Wolverine) is an incredibly cheap and lazy form of filmmaking. -
I liked this review, the guy made good points. Don't listen to 'em MARZ!
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I agree with all you've said, apart from the Russell Crowe. He also = meh!
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...although I would prefer the V-2s to be going off as the fight progresses. Gives it that The Natural feel. When Robin wins the rockets stop falling and the last sparks trail down. The last one turns into an apple, run through with an arrow, toppling off Robin's son's head. Because hey, bows arrows, might as well all be the same guy, right? Oh yeah, and I try not to think about the Costner Robin Hood. A fair notion of hell would be watching it as part of a double feature with First Knight (featuring King Arthur's Death Machine tm) for all eternity.
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Or Robin could shoot two V2s back to the Viking Nazis, splitting the first one with the second one. Please don't ever mention First Knight again. I have only seen about twenty minutes of it, and that was painful. There should be a private circle in Dante's Inferno (the real one--not the current film: Beeaatriccee!) for such horrible film makers.
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I'm surprised he hasn't turned up to give us more of his bizzaro take on English history. I think he might actually be Mel Gibson.
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All this talk of alternative takes on the Robin Hood character brought the old cartoon to mind. Maybe they should've done a live-action version of that instead. Yes kiddies, it actually existed - check YouTube.
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I think Mel Brooks made this show back in the 70s. It was a comedic take on Robin Hood. Hardly any episodes. Saw a couple episodes about twenty years ago. Only bit I really remember was an episode where King Richard had to touch foot to English soil every ten years or John became king. He slid into home plate, umpire declaring him safe and all, then dusted himself off and got back on his ship. If that's the bit I remember maybe it wasn't so good.
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I was probably 12 years old at the time, so I don't know how well the humor holds up. It was barely on for a season.
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I see one more flick that uses this tired old prophetic "Chosen One" cliche, I may just puke out a spleen. Dammit, Hollywood, think of a new plot device! As far as I'm concerned, Ashley 'Ash' J. Williams is the only "Chosen One" that measures up to the title, and all your little runner-up pussies ever since have been panty-waist wannabes.Robin "Chosen One" of Locksley my ass! Sheeeit.
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and is soarly mist.
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...I'm just glad I wasn't the only one who even remembered it.
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Atleast thats what i thought Scott was filming. It seemed very original to me. Perhaps the suites wouldnt front the 100m to make Robin Hood a vilian so they convinced him to make another adaptation. Wouldnt surprise me if Scott's heart wasnt in it after that. Cant say im looking forward to another robin hood movie though i really like Ridley Scott as a director.
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How can you make a Robin Hood film if he doesn't rob from the rich to give to the poor? Is this Crowe's right wing pc-ism? Doesn't want to offend a right wing audience? fuck this, I'll watch the Disney movie again before this crap...
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It was bad enough when it was just Harry using "that said" every couple of lines. But if he's rubbing off on Beaks it won't be long before it's all over this damn site. Having said that, what's even worse is when they don't even bother to use this asinine expressions correctly....
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Robin Hood, people know the name, so they make another movie it's 2010 for goodness sake. Tis' a pity.
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You couldn't do this shit on a ROBIN HOOD movie, anymore ?!? Thanks a lot, teabagger fucks.
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If they wanted to make an update, it wouldn't be the corporations, it'd be the government he'd be robbing from. If you remember the tale, the robs from the rich line doesn't wash. He took to going against a repressive government that overtaxed it's citizens and he simply fought back for the little guy.
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Hence this product.
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Nah. Rob from the rich, give to the poor. Clear as day. Stop ruining literature.
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A whole bunch of battle scenes where you can't actually see anything?
I don't really care about Robin Hood, but if you're going pile in a bunch of battle sequences and capitalize off his past historical epic projects, targeting a PG-13 rating kills it before it gets out the gate.
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Nope, he had it right. Robin Hood took back money from a corrupt government to give it back to the people.
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Olivia De'Havilland for the win,bitches.
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This one sounds dumber
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i hate her and her fuckin pretentious "i'm an artist" fucking face. she is in everything and it has got to stop.
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Yes, back in Robins day it was the gov, but today, as it was 100 years ago, its greedy, unregulated corporatists "Robber Barrons" who have removed all regulation and are free to rape and plunder unchecked with zero loyalty to America.
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Best. Robin. Hood. Ever.
OK maybe not the most compelling story , but actually I do think it's the most endearing version, and has held up pretty well over the years. -
Well that's PJ and whats-her-face's fault actually... for writing the scene where she says "In the place of a Dark Lord you would have a Queen!" and turns all evil. WTF. I never read that scene that way ever in the book. Not even if I were high as a kite would I ever have interpreted that scene that way. Galadriel was no freak out woman. Sorry to blame you Kate You gotta roll with it.
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Jan 28, 2010 12:31:13 AM CST
Comeupance:"He's overweight, not that I'm judging him"
by itraveledbackintimetoteabagabrahamlincol
Your post is nothing but superficial judgement. You validate the "haven't-seen-it-yet-but-know-exactly-what-is" bullshit cynicism. Maybe the movie will suck don't know, don't care. But don't try to back up your ridiculous opinion in paragraph length. Go have your superficial debate on EntertainmentTonight.com or TMZ.com you sorry piece of shit.
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Blanchett ruin LOTR? That's just a weird statement. I love the twisted logic of fanboys.
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Can't wait for this.
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Yes? You called for me? And actually, one of the reasons i have been liking Braveheart less and less is because of the crass historical mistakes it has (my favorite is the Battle of Stirling Bridge not being fought on a bridge). I do rate historical accuracy very high. Which is the point of my posts about such subject.
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Jesus Christ, complaining about Cate Blanchett!! Unbelievable!
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Stealing from the poor to live to the rich. It would be George W. Bush and his merry men would be his cabinet.
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It seems to have no real resemblance to the Robin Hood myths other than 'returned from the crusades.' Sounds... lame.
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Chairman Meow.
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...on the subject of Cate Blanchett we are in agreement.
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Robin and Marian. With Connery and Hepburn. At least it shows Richard up for the prick he was.
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Of course we would, we are civilized men here (and yeah, it's a paraquote from THE PROPOSITION, sue me for loving that movie so much).
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Absolutly. Great movie indeed. Great to see some love for that teribly underrated and forgotten gem of a movie. And you are right, Richard Lionheart was indeed a major prick. How this guy, who fucking hated England and considered the english people merely spongues so he could milk them dry for taxes, how in the bloody hell he became such a hero figure for them? Hell, he even considered himself FRENCH! He never learned to speak english, and i seriously doubt he would ever wanted, he would think it a barbarian language.
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not to be the devil's advocate, but the Robin Hood myth has always been, shall we say, flexible. Sinc every early there has been many things atributed to the myth that have been contradictory. Even the traditional stories have elements form different centuries all thrown in. Basically, Robin Hood's legend is one which had been added on elements with each telling since the midle ages. One can imagine a scene in a medeival festival, where a bard would be asked to tell a tale of Robin Hood, and he would tell the general story but mix in stuff of his own creation, to make it a more interesting tale. As such, i'm quite open to reinterpretations of the story of Robin Hood. Such is the power of the myth that 800 years or so after it first became popular, it's still going strong and allows constant reinterpretations. That's the true testement of the power of a myth.And this is a Ridley Scott movie. At the very least, it will look fantastic.
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Sean Connery looked 60 when Robin and Marian was made even though he was only 44. For some Reason Connery aged horribly when he reached his 40's and looked like a man in his 60's. Maybe it was 1970's living? But then he didn't seemingly age again until he reached his early 70's. I suppose that is a fair trade off.
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I need to rewatch. Been a looong time!
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Robin Hood is reputedly buried in my town (though there's nothing in the grave now and it's been moved 3 times from the original site) so it was nice to see at least one movie that showed a version of the end of the myth.
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That's a great thing your town can lay claim. Sure, it might all just be legend with little foudnation on truth, but still, it's cool stuff.One of the most interesting things i learn about that period of english history is that all this group of robbers were in fact under the orders and aegis of the region's noblemen. They brough their loot to the noblemen, and in trade he offered them protection in his castle. This later was particulary important, as due to a law of the time, if a person was indicted of a crime and failed to come to court 3 times, he would be automatically absolved. So, for this criminals, all they needed when the law was going after them was to lay low, be hidden and let time enough pass so they could had avoided beign caught and brough to justice in 3 court agendment. Thus, the protection of a nobleman was imperative.And if they got caught, a nobleman could support their cause. first, and most important, was to secure inprisonement in a prision. Beleive it or not, this was the ebst it could happen to you if you were a caught criminal. unlike today, being in a prision was a privilege. Youa ctually payed to be in a prision. It means you were not in some hole in the ground, or some fetid dungeon. Prisions were mantained by a warden, which was an actual business. In a prision, and if you had enough money, you would had clean sheets, good meals, and if you were important, you would even dine with the warden. You could receive visitors. It was great. But it all lasted if you could afford. It's known that when some people failed payment, they were put to the street to beg so they could pay for their stay at prision.Yeah, things in the english middle age were pretty darn different and strange. And far more interesting then any movie has shown so far.
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"Ridley Scott is a master of the battle sequences, however there are so many they start to slow the pace of the film down and become repetitive."
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Within my post I immediately corrected myself and put the blame on the right people. Of course I wasn't really blaming Blanchett. It's style, man!
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As far as Robin Hood films go,its the Eroyl Flynn version,the Disney version,and the Connery version...all the rest ARE CRAP!!! The three-way love triangle between Robin,Little John,and Marian ia absolutely heartbreaking...I still shed a manly tear when Little John tells Marian that if she had been his woman,he never would have left. Damn good soundtrack to boot....
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Of course it's a damn good soundtrack, it's John Barry.
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Well, I'm sure they're not talking about some Age of Sail armada captained by Pierre Villeneuve. But, to be fair, the French Navy did invade England in the 11th century, and successfully...so I'm not sure what you're getting twisted up about. They didn't walk across the English channel.
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Nationalism nonsense is so sad, isn't it?
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WHAT THE FUCK
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I am not surprised with this review. In fact most people who have seen an advance screening are negative to very negative about this movie. Except of course the few 'reviews' placed out there by the studio and some group of rabid Crowe fans.
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