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Guy Ritchie Dumping LOBO For Another SHERLOCK HOLMES Adventure?? Evidently...
Merrick here...
A few weeks ago we learned that Robert Downey, Jr. was jumping away from Jon Favreau's COWBOYS & ALIENS to allow room in his schedule for a potential SHERLOCK HOLMES schedule (details HERE).
Now, the L.A. Times has a quote from Joel Silver about the status of Ritchie's LOBO movie. Sounds like Guy may at least postpone that project...if not ditch it altogether...so that he can get to work on Holmes' next adventure.
"I don't think he's going to do it now," Silver said of Ritchie directing "Lobo." "The studio wants us and Guy to focus on making another 'Sherlock Holmes.' So I think we're going to be doing that. But we're seeing what happens with this. Everybody is analyzing everything. It's all kind of happening right now as we talk. 'Sherlock' is sitting at just about $400 million in worldwide gross and showing itself to be pretty effective and pretty strong. So we're trying to see if we can do something quickly with another 'Sherlock Holmes' movie. We have some ideas and some good story points.
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Downey loves the experience of playing Sherlock and would love to play him again, and I'd love to see him play it again. Jude and all of them will be back and it will be great."
...says Silver in THIS L.A. Times write-up.
Hopefully, Silver's reference to doing "something quickly" won't equate to a half-assed run at a sequel. Loved how full & well-balanced the first movie felt.
Downey, Jr. recently received a Golden Globe for his performance as Sherlock - it'll be interesting to see if this translates to an Oscar nomination. We'll see next week...
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Downey loves the experience of playing Sherlock and would love to play him again, and I'd love to see him play it again. Jude and all of them will be back and it will be great."
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Errr....NO.
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It'd be a shame if Ritchie, Downey and co fast-tracked a cack-handed sequel. We know how it goes - release date set, script only half-done, on-set rewrites = misfiring clusterfuck. Hello, Pirates of the Caribbean. Already a shame that Downey bailed on Cowboys & Aliens. Far more suited to his easygoing freewheeling charms than Daniel Craig's stony-faced stoicism.
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...just a suggestion.HOLMES did great, but that must have been frustrating.
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As funny as the Lobo story is, on film it was doomed to fail. A second Sherlock could be good tho.
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You mean, better than the first one, right? 'Cause the first one, much as I like it, wasn't very coherent was it? Just watched it for the third time recently and the logic really wasn't there, was it?
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I can finally go ahead with my Lobo movie!!
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I was sure this Lobo movie was going to get made...NOT
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Nothing that screamed Oscar nomination though.
The biggest problem with the movie was that it deviated from the traditional Holmsian storytelling device (of giving the reader/viewer all the information and then showing you how Holmes works it out) for the Ms Marple template. Which is to show the reader/viewer NOTHING, then have the detective reveal lots of extra little bits at the end which make it all make sense.
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I'm already there!!
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If they REALLY try, they can make the STORY actually good.I dug the actors, the c.g stuff and locations( the unfinished bridge, the ship and especially when the explosions go off right next to them!)...but the film was a bit boring, and convoluted. The story was VERY weak.And, I HOPE they do cast Pitt as Moriarty.Why? 1) He never has done the bad guy (and Russel Crowe-who is rumored for it...HAS,so that would be boring)
2) Pitt and Ritchie worked well the last time, so why the f not? -
...because sports nerds in my office who know waaaayyyy too many stats on players where it makes them borderline-gay are making my head hurt.
I guess this is a good thing for Sherlock Holmes. -
Alot more. A month before I would never had thought that was remotely possible, buy Guy "Mr Madonna" Ritchie actually pulled one over James "King of the World" Cameron, at least in my estimation. Just a pity the rest of the movie going world were fooled...
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Sherlock Holmes was pretty damn good. Don't screw up the sequel Guy.
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but next time i hit the movies i will.either way i'm pretty sure i'll like this.i'm glad to see guy ritchie get some major box office success under his belt.hopefuly now he'll get the real rocknrolla made.
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The film is far too light on actual detective work, but I think you're very wrong about 'Holmesian storytelling'. In the books the reader is generally given the information as Holmes and Watson recive it and no more. Not only this, but Holmes regularily keeps his deductions close to his chest and performs something in the nature of a reveal at the conclusion, though never as dull as the drawing room confrontations of Agatha Christie.
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I had a lot of fun watching that movie. It's a rare bright spot in this blue-tinted cinematic era in which we currently live...
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Jan 27, 2010 8:58:19 AM CST
I can name ten films that were better than Avatar in 2009
by knowthyself
1. Watchmen 2. Where the wild things are 3. Thirst 4. 500 days of summer 5. District 9 6. The Hangover 7. Star Trek 8. Sherlock Holmes 9. Moon 10.Drag me to Hell
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There are other DC characters far more worthy of a movie.
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It was pretty boring and completely preposterous that Holmes was constantly seeing all the clues line up out in plain site. For example, the crux of solving the case is a series of clues all left out in the open on a tabletop. That's SO LAZY man! The dialogue was so....pedantic. It wasn't clever or cute, it almost entirely just moved the plot along. I just didn't have FUN with this movie. I mean it was reasonably entertaining, but I was checking my watch a lot.
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Watchmen? Fuck off! Biggest pile of shit of 2009.
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Yeah, our gal Agatha didn't give us all the info throughout. I didn't mind very much. I tried to figure it out, but as I understood it, the point of the super detective (Holmes, Poirot, Marlowe) was that they made the connections we didn't. With Ritchie, they also didn't give the info. I would have liked it if they hadn't crammed all the explanations for the climax. For instance, if he'd deduced a rational explanation for the empty tomb and that had kind of led him to searching for rational explanations for the rest of the "supernatural" elements. I know that's what he did, but through most of the movie it seemed like he and the audience believed in the possibility of an occultic origin for the events.
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A sequel is something I really want to see, and soon!!!
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Nice one Merrick, although I like the movie, it drags like a dead elephant in the 2nd act.
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and now they want to add another two and a half hours to it?
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Give the people what they want. Also, Paul Bettany for Moriarty.
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Right on the damn money. I like Holmes because he's smarter than me. I like being hit the face with connections between everything I've seen that I couldn't make - not because they were magic and I wasn't told, but because I'm not clever enough to figure it out. The detective work in Richie's Holmes felt like a cheat.Still liked the movie.
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Good movie with solid performances. I'll see the sequel that's for sure.
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Jackie Chan vs Jude Law!
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Ever!
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Because he and Watson were totally checking each other out the entire movie. They both despised the women that were in each others lives and they had this weird BFF thing going. It felt like I was watching a Fraiser episode set in the late 1800's.
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...let Rob Zombie do the Lobo movie. Dose him with way too much adrenochrome, send him and Triple H out into the desert with some mutant strippers and a pharmacist, and just let the movie magic commence.
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Only heard a couple of his songs. Haven't seen one of his movies and I know, repeat KNOW he's perfect for Lobo. Joel Silver even has a little history with him. Hello? Right tool for right job...
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Is that what we're talking about here?
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I think Lobo would be better making a cameo in the Green Lantern movie than WB wasting money on a solo film.As a DC fan, WB needs to get their act together.
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Who will be cast as the Claude Akins character? Will Greg Evigan an a monkey have a cameo?
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Agree totally that would be a match made in Hell! I also agree it's probably too perfect to actually happen.
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good news from hollywood, lobo movie made nada sense, more holmes.. and while they're out it someone can film the "holmes dracula file"..
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You rush these things they turn out shit. DEVELOPMENT!!
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And so should some of you guys for suggesting he be given another movie to direct. Halloween II is the worst film I have ever seen.
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As far as I'm concerned it's better than Zombie's first Halloween film.The only thing I can think of is that people are pissed at the way the opening sequence ends. But come on, that's so minor.Frankly I didn't even notice the difference in the director's cut other than at the end Lori isn't wearing the mask. I think there may have been an extra quick scene with Loomis and maybe something else quick with Annie, but that's about it. It's still the same basic movie.My feeling, correct or not, is that people sort of jumped on the bandwagon about disliking it. I also think people were getting sick of Zombie's "trailer trash" aesthetic.
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... could use another draft or eight. Silver should see if Shane Black has any interest in writing a SHERLOCK HOLMES movie.
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That fucking hack-sack shouldn't be allowed with 100 miles of a property as awesome as LOBO. Who wants to see him fuck up The Last Czarnian like he fucked up Michael Meyers? The dude has no concept of coherent storytelling, his fascination with white trash would be interesting if it weren't so broad and boring, he has too much moron-ologues that masquerade as hip and clever writing and I've seen more kinetic direction in PBS specials than anything going on in House or Devil's Rejects. In summation, Rob Zombie is two tons of industrial-strength suck
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Jan 27, 2010 10:28:17 AM CST
masteryoda, can you explain WHY it's the worst film?
by revenge_of_fett
Should be easy right? I mean of all the films you've ever seen, this one outpaces everything else so you must have some very specific reasons for saying that. I'd like to hear what they are.
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I want to see that. Hopefully by the time the sequel comes out I'll have finally gotten around to actually reading the Sherlock Holmes stories. I hear they're quite good.
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He was the one who put him in kiss kiss bang bang back when no one would touch Downey.
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...I'll be glad if they just let this thing die. Lobo was only really any good in L.E.G.I.O.N. or in the early JL books. He just became a stupid caricature after that. I'm glad he's finally dying off...now lets hope Deadpool & Gambit will finally do the same... thing
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Can't believe your guys are still clinging to the idea that Rob Zombie can make a good movie. Zombie's Lobo would suck; every character would be some kind of white trash "space redneck" and his god damn wife would get more screen time than Lobo.
Zombie on Lobo soundtrack? Good.
Zombie having anything else to do with Lobo? BAAAAAAAD
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Isn't Silver married to the lady who also produces the Marvel movies? If so, get her off the projects.
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Anyone who can reference ROM The Spaceknight is OK in my book. I used to have issue #1. Hopefully, its only worth about a buck and not $10,000 or something. Otherwise, I'm gonna be pissed.
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...for why Zombie should never direct a Lobo movie are all the reasons I'd want to see it. He could pull every single one of his stupid Zombie-isms on a Lobo flick and it would be right at home. Little kid Lobo crying on the stoop listening to Love Hurts after killing everyone on his planet? Comedy gold. Lobo should be the most white-trash alien in the galaxy, and there is NO ONE more qualified to make that movie than Zombie. AND WHO CARES IF HE SCREWS IT UP. It's Lobo. Why waste someone like Guy Ritchie on this? It's elementary, my dear talkbackers. -
Cause he nailed everything I hate about Rob Zombie movies, especially Sherri Moon Zombie.
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http://tinyurl.com/ya5rp7m
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Now will someone please make a 3d, computer animated movie of either the DC or Marvel Univese?
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Have him as a walk on cameo in some grotty space bar in a green lantern scene. And let vin diesel play him. Just dont give him his own film.
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Or tried to say.
"In the books the reader is generally given the information as Holmes and Watson recive it and no more. Not only this, but Holmes regularily keeps his deductions close to his chest and performs something in the nature of a reveal at the conclusion"
I should have been more clear, and said "giving the reader/viewer all the information THAT HOLMES AND WATSON ARE GIVEN and then LATER showing you how Holmes works it out"
It appears to me, that you thought I was referring to the Columbo style of storytelling. Where the viewer is given ALL the details of the murder, then we watch the detective figure it out.
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Zombie doesn't own the patent on white trash wonderland. The guy who directed FREEWAY makes Robby look like a fucking piker. He took a pretty pony princess like Reese Witherspoon and coaxed a brilliant performance out of her. There's a lot of talk about ELECTION being her best role but I think it's Freeway because her white-trashiness was so fucking authentic. The dialogue didn't make me groan like Zombie's writing. I think just about any one else could bring what Zombie does to LOBO and make a superior movie than he could
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That concept art is fuckin' cool! Kilowog is teh badass!
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I was skeptical of this movie with Reynolds and Lively being cast, but Campbell is a top director and this art, if the real deal, makes me very hopeful.
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Personally don't care for downey, but if Jude and Rachel MacAdams are back then that may hook me.
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How many Zombie films have I seen? It's hard to tell, he keeps making the same movie and just changes the title.
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...but I still want to see Zombie get a chance to do Lobo. I saw his Halloween but didn't see H2... Michael Meyers never really did anything for me, so maybe I don't have that sense of outrage for Zombie screwing up a beloved classic. And you're right about the guy who did Freeway (and that being Witherspoon's best role ever), that had a realistic sense of white trash craziness, but while I could see that guy doing a decent adaptation of Lobo, all of Zombie's little stylistic habits (crutches?) make me REALLY want to see his approach (flawed as it may be) applied to Lobo's world. I want to see him go all balls out, throw everything at the wall, Batman and Robin/Southland Tales/Smokin' Aces spectacular kind of overexaggerated failure of a comic book world. I'm not doubting that someone could make a superior Lobo movie that many people would enjoy... but I think there's something in Zombie that could (FWIW) give us a Lobo movie that nobody else could make, and I want to see that movie. -
Not smart, not funny. Two willing Holmes addicts turned off forever. Mediocre banter, explaining everything at the end as if anybody could figure that out (ooh wow Holmes is so smart, how about a mystery that the audience can join in on in some way)... and a ticking time bomb, villain on a roof, heroine out of nowhere cliche fucking actioner ending. I want more of movies these days. Like Young Sherlock Holmes, man that was sweet. Sweet graphix on the knight made of stained glass or whatever.
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that my girl and I resorted to repetitive jokes afterwards like "my life is a living holmes" and "to holmes with you" and such idiocy, just to lift our spirits.
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I could care less about Michael Meyers too, I'm a Freddy Krueger kid, but I adore John Carpenter and I take issue with Zombie fucking up an iconic character from an iconic filmmaker. I could forgive him if he only fucked up the Halloween franchise once but he did it TWICE. Now he may get his hands on LOBO, another iconic character, and it gets my balls up because his track record is shit. Ever since I read The Last Czarnian and watched "The Main Man" two-parter from the Superman cartoon I have been a rabid fan of Lobo and I want to see him done right. But I also see your point and if he managed to produce the movie you spoke about, then I'd retract my statement and opinion happily. LOBO should be hardcore. I'm in total agreement with that
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Was a decent popcorn flick, not as good as Young Sherlock Homles though...I love that flick!
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Holmes is allright but a well done Lobo would be out of this world fantastic. I agree Vaughn would probably be a real good choice to helm it.
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Announce this tablet so I can go back to internet porn...
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Downey Jr. and Jude Law were great. It just needs more detective shit and less Ritchie. Honestly Ritchie made this film an absolute piece of shit when it could have been half-way decent.
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http://tinyurl.com/ya4a49r
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I don't want Guy Richie to fuck up LOBO or anyone for that matter. The Main Man is an amazing COMIC BOOK characters and that means he won't necessarily translate to film all that well.
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Read before you post.
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Turn of the century British speak aside, I am quite excited at the prospects of the sequel.
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the plot didn't make any sense, but the atmosphere, spirit, and acting was good enough to not make it a waste of time.
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Nice!
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I saw BRONSON a couple of months ago and was blown away at Tom Hardy's performance. He grabs your attention from the word go. And I just finished THE BOYS volume 4 and was salivating for the next one. Never thought about who I'd cast in the movie but now that you mention Hardy I must say that is a pitch PERFECT choice for Butcher. Holy shit, I just got chills down my spine thinking about watching him, Simon Pegg (Hughie, of course), Terry Crews (Mother's Milk), Cyril Raffaelli (The Frenchman) on the silver screen beating the shit outta Brandon Routh as The Homelander. Who do you think should play The Female?
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Jan 27, 2010 12:22:22 PM CST
Am I the only one who could care less about Sherlock Holmes?
by dr. samuel loomis
Guy Ritchie is good and all, but his movies all have the same damn tone, it's almost like watching an anthology with his films, each movie may be different, but they all has the same grit going with them. Lets add some slow motion here, there. Some really dry humor here. Revolver was his best in my book, one that many missed.
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He was the only good thing in District 13 Ultimatum. What the hell happened there, huh? The first District 13 was exhilirating, unique and good old fashioned fun. The sequel was.....well.....it happened. I mean, it had a beginning, middle and end. People talked. David Bell stuck a couple of jumps. Can't say much else for it. Colossal disappointment
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For some reason they decided to add CGI to District 13 and it wasn't flattering. The appeal of the first movie was the fact that the stunts were real. That's what made it great. Don't know why they abandoned that aesthetic when it worked so well. Anyway, Ally Walker would be a great pick. Wouldn't mind watching Butcher bend her over the table. I wonder if she'd have a problem with all the sex scenes the role would require. Seems like they spend more time showing her getting plowed than politicking
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She does look like The Female and it'd be interesting to see her play such a grungy, creepy, violent-prone character
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And she found a way to be terrible. Don't know about you but I never bought her as an assassin. She's a midget. Regardless of how true her katana's blade is, she'd never get a chance to use it. All her opponent would have to do to best her is fart in her general direction and she'd float away like daffodil petals
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"...until Zombie had him breaking chains, busting through walls and ceilings and throwing a car down a hill"
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that would be GREAT
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Jamie Chung's look is exotic enough to maintain her beauty under all the dirt and grime the role would require. I wouldn't complain if she got the part
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I actually really loved Sherlock Holmes and i still can't believe the rumours that it was Brad Pitt who supplied the voice of Moriarty. It doesn't sound like him at all!
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... The phrase is "COULDN'T care less". To say you "COULD care less" implies that you actually care for or like something quite a bit. When you COULDN'T care less about something, you have no affinity for it and, by definition, don't care. Sorry. Aimed at no one in particular but fuck ME is it annoying.
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I have seen Avatar twice all the way thru and I can't remember how many times in pieces from the projector booth. I have seen Sherlock 3 times and I am probably going to see it again a couple more times(at a different theater). I love both films. But for my particular tastes... Sherlock wins for me. Avatar deserves it's 2 billion + critical and award success. I love it. I just love Sherlock more.
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That would be fucking awesome. My favorite domestic film is Kiss Kiss Bang Bang. God a sequel to that would be so fucking awesome. Whoever released that should just re-release it in theaters now that Downey is a box office star. Nobody even knows it's at the video store.
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Yes, but can you name ten films this year that were epic sci-fi space-operas featuring ground-breaking achievements in CGI motion capture, which were filmed entirely in 3D? Yeah, because there was only one of those this year. Kind of apples and oranges to compare Avatar to other movies...seeing as how Avatars goals were simply to be an eye-raping 3D sci-fi spectacle. It's kind of like comparing a roller coaster ride to novel. Yeah, the novel is better, but the rollercoaster is pretty fun. When people want an engrossing story, they'll read the novel. When they want to be scared shitless for a few minutes, scream their lungs out and watch fat people vomit, they'll go on the roller coaster. What's the fucking problem.
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So, we should ignore AVATAR's numerous shortcomings because it looked amazing?
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AT&T has shit coverage. We all know this. Why Apple insists on using one of the worst providers only Steve Jobs knows.
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You were totally right. That is all.
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In the next film, they should finish up the Moriarty plot line and have it finish at Reichenbach Falls, then follow up two in 2013 with a full-fledged balls to the wall, but faithful rendition of Hound of the Baskervilles. It's a truly creepy story crying out for a big budget and top talent.
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But hey, go ahead and spend more money on an overhyped 3-D movie. Apparently, AVATAR hasn't made enough yet.
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I like his idea. Execs, make that trilogy.
Except for the fact that a faithful rendition of Hound of the Baskervilles would result in Sherlock Holmes being on screen for about 45% of the film. Do you honestly think Jude Law's Watson could carry an entire movie like that? -
knows nothing about filmmaking. Plain and simple.
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All style and no substance, and knows nothing about 'crossing the line'.
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That would be just too perfect, along the lines of Tim Burton doing Alice in Wonderland.
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...Hound of the Baskervilles was a pretty great telling of the story. Nobody's going to do that, now. Absolutely nothing explodes and a good deal of the plot rests on a fairly unlikable guy's heart condition. They would update it to an exploding heart condition, where the explosion would be timed to occur just as the queen was visiting by evil agents of the Ottoman Empire. The Ottomans were like old timey terrorists, right? Or they'd make the hound a real werewolf, because market research would show it q'd better than hell hound. Read a book once called Sherlock Holmes and the War of the Worlds. Read one where Holmes goes up against Dracula, too. These things can happen.
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Not saying that it was a better FILM, just that enjoyment-wise it was a better MOVIE.
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You'll all see!
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Merrick things that a so-so movie that ended on tedious sequel-bait was actually a complete experience? Buy him something from his amazon wishlist! DURR!
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Am I the only one that is a bit disappointed that Ritchie isn't doing another RockNRolla. I really enjoyed it and kinda got pumped in the end when it said the characters would return (or something like that).
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What's next, Jason Statham IS Hercule Poirot?
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Interesting characters always win out over special effects.
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Might as well have said, "Can you name any other films named Avatar? I think not." I actually like the film, but comments like that make me wish I didn't.
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Pad the first 15 minutes of the third movie with Holmes' survival at the Falls. You're right, there'd be large sections of the flick where Holmes was absent, but I think Jude Law can pull it off. And I wouldn't initially think that a hound tearing out people's throats would be terrifying in a a modern film, but just look at the Wolfman trailer and an older French flick called Brother of the Wolf (even though it really isn't a wolf). Guy Ritchie could deliver on the Hound of the Baskervilles. Trust me.
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I didn't know Sherlock Holmes was a comedy. I thought it was a thinly disguised Batman movie.
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Jan 28, 2010 5:00:12 PM CST
Only problem with Sherlock is that I didn't understand half of w
by chien_sale
Downey was horrible with the speach paterns.
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bring on the sequel.
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