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The Night CONAN Scored Its Best Rating Ever, A Friday Repeat Of DATELINE Did Better Than LENO At 10!! Plus CAPRICA & SPARTACUS!!
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Friday in 18-49 (previous Fridays in parentheses):
4.8 The Tonight Show With Conan O’Brien
4.3 Hope For Haiti Now (on the combined six broadcast networks)
1.5 (1.4) (2.3) (1.7) (----) (1.7) (1.7) (1.6) (1.7) (1.8) (2.0) (2.8) (1.7) (1.6) (2.0) (1.5) (1.7) (2.3) 20/20
1.4 (1.6) (2.2) (-----) (-----) (1.4) (2.0) (1.5) (----) (1.5) (1.7) (----) (1.6) (1.7) (----) (1.5) (1.8) (1.5) Dateline
1.1 (----) (-----) (-----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (0.8) (----) (----) (----) (----) Wizards of Waverly Place
1.1 (----) (-----) (-----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (0.8) (----) (----) (----) (----) Suite Life On Deck
0.9 (2.2) (2.1) (1.0) (1.1) (1.1) (1.0) (1.8) (1.1) (1.9) (2.0) (1.9) (1.9) (2.1) (1.9) (2.0) (1.9) (2.1) Medium
0.7 (0.5) (0.6) (-----) (-----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) The Soup
0.6 (0.5) (----) (-----) (-----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) What Not To Year
0.5 (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (0.8) (-----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) Clone Wars
0.4 (----) (-----) (-----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) Ben 10
0.4 (----) (-----) (-----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) Caprica
0.3 (----) (-----) (-----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) Johnny Test
0.3 (----) (-----) (-----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) Spartacus (Starz)
0.2 (----) (-----) (-----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) Spartacus (Encore)
* Despite a huge number for the all-star “Hope For Haiti Now,” the biggest thing broadcast Friday was not in primetime. The final edition of “The Tonight Show With Conan O’Brien” garnered its best ratings ever, beating the 18-49 rating for “Haiti” on the six broadcast networks combined.
* NBC quietly, suddenly and mysteriously pulled its new Friday edition of “The Jay Leno Show,” substituting a repeat of “Dateline.” There are likely two reasons for Jay’s disappearance:
1) NBC and/or Leno were concerned that any small tribute Jay might pay Conan would come off as self-serving and insincere. (Unlike Jimmy Fallon’s musical comedy visit to Conan’s old “Late Night” studio that night.)
2) NBC and/or Leno knew O’Brien would hit a monster Friday number and did not want to invite comparisons. While O’Brien’s numbers were rocketing skyward all last week, all the publicity surrounding Leno’s return to “Tonight” was not a lot of help to Leno’s ratings:
The Jay Leno Show in 18-49; older shows in parentheses; repeats in gray:
1.3 (1.6) (1.5) (0.9) (1.6) (1.5) (1.4) (1.2) (1.4) (1.4) (1.2) (1.2) (1.3) (1.4) (1.5) (1.5) (1.7) (1.8) (5.3) Mo
1.8 (1.8) (2.1) (0.9) (1.5) (1.8) (2.9) (----) (1.9) (1.9) (1.9) (2.0) (1.8) (1.8) (1.8) (2.1) (2.3) (2.5) (3.4) Tu
1.2 (1.6) (1.5) (1.3) (1.1) (1.6) (1.3) (1.5) (1.6) (1.4) (1.4) (1.4) (1.5) (1.5) (1.8) (1.7) (1.9) (2.0) (3.5) We
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Note that Conan’s Friday score in 18-49 more than tripled Leno’s Thursday score and quadrupled Leno’s Wednesday score in 18-49.
* Adding insult to injury, Friday’s 10 p.m. repeat of “Dateline” not only beat last Friday’s “Leno,” that same “Dateline” repeat also beat or tied in 18-49 every new Friday episode of “The Jay Leno Show” show going back to “Leno’s” third week on the air! Which suggests budget-conscious NBC might have saved itself and its affiliates a fortune if it just decided to run (non-“Leno”) repeats at 10 p.m. all season.
* The “Caprica” pilot, which has been on DVD since April and free on Hulu for more than a month, didn’t make much of a splash by the time it finally hit Syfy. New, unHulued episodes start on Syfy next Friday.
* Finally, while “Spartacus: Blood and Sand” is nestled at the bottom of the big 18-49 list above, it still gave Starz its best original series premiere ever.

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NBC made a huge mistake, and time will prove that. Leno will bee the final hole, that sinks that ship.
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Viva Coco!
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I'm not watching that fuckers show.
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is Leno is exposed as the greedy schemer he truly is. The nice guy myth is gone and hopefully gone for good. Conan, however, is a class act all the way.
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Where he interviews old people and jokes about how they don't like his show? Kind of ironic now since that joke is the very reason this all went down.
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butt face
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Once he resumes the Tonight Show after the Olympics, please track its nightly ratings so we can laugh at how poorly it does.
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It goes head to head against Leno and that d-bag will have to suffer the final humiliation of getting his ass handed to him in the ratings.
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If rumors end up being true, he'll get a show on Fox that starts at 11pm, which is thirty minutes BEFORE Leno or Letterman begin. That's pretty significant since it will give him a wonderful lead-in to steal their ratings (assuming viewers don't change channels at 11:30).
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Yep, the people he was interviewing are the ones who find Leno funny. Those are the people NBC wants to cater to. That's all you need to know.
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Yeah, I'm sure they are rushing out to stores to buy whatever products the advertisers are selling. :)
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doing skits after the first guest. To try to keep people at 11:35. Like in the OLD days.
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(^_^)
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Any good? Should I bother watching when it makes it to our shores later in the year? I've heard nothing about it except news reports that it's the most violent and sexually explicit series ever.
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That kept me watching, even if the first guest was a loser. Just the promise of "The Interrupter" (or a similar type bit) popping up is why I'm a fan. And, hopefully, no more teasing the first comedy bit before the commercial. The surprise is part of the fun. Telling us Triumph is coming in ten minutes ruins it.
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...that these dismal Leno ratings continue to dog him back at 11:30!
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Leno has no shot at going up against Conan. Conan is the future. Half of Leno's fanbase will be dead within the year.
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Worst thing I've seen on TV for a while.
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At least the pilot episode does. It was basically one long boring speech about ethics and the meaning of humanity after another. I have a bad feeling the regular series will be the same. About as exciting as the senate scenes in The Phantom Menance.
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And not excited about the series. Might give it one or two episodes but the truth of the matter is, I'm just not interested in the story of Adama's father and the birth of the Cylons. If they were to do a prequel I would have prefered "The Cylon War", about the first Cylon war. The space battles and on the ground gun fights in Galactica were epic, imagine the spectiacle of dozens of Battlestars and thousands of fights going at it with a fleet of Cylons. The dynamic would be different than the series too, seeing as the Cylons would now be the minority, they would be the freedom fighters. The colonies having to put aside their differences and form an uneasy alliance against The Cylon threat would provide further drama. Why wasn't this their first thought when concidering a prequel series? If nothing else, I would rather a mini series depicting this than 5 saosns of Caprica (which we're not going to get anyways)
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Anyone who thinks conan will beat leno head to head is Crazy
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Jay was annoying, yet found Conan hysterical.
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Leno will probably retake the late night ratings. But as long as there are alternatives, who cares?
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..because he never said NO to anything Zucker wanted to do. He never once supported keeping Conan in his time spot. Instead of retiring gracefully and let the next generation take over, he once again stabbed someone in the back. He's gotten most of the negative press from this as well. Self serving douche bags always get whats coming to them. Conan may have to wait 7 months, but when you add him to the late night roster, along with Letterman and Kimmell, ass-hat Jay is going to sink. Good riddance.
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Jan 26, 2010 6:48:39 AM CST
Herc, this is one of the clunkiest attempts at analysis I've see
by burnhollywood
...If you were one of my staff and you submitted this as a report, we'd have a nice long talk about it afterward. The first thing I'd want to find out is what your personal grudge against Leno is...
Long story short, a one-time only event like Conan's last show says absolutely nothing about his overall ratings. Same thing for the ratings bump he's gotten from this controversy. Why don't you show his average for the season if you REALLY want to know why NBC is letting him go? Hint: it's about 0.9, probably lower.
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I think the cast is great, including the girl who plays Zoe Graystone who I know some people have criticized. Can't wait to see more episodes FINALLY!
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to see Chin-o get pummeled by Conan, but trust me--it ain't gonna happen. O'brien's humor is just too off beat for the average person, and his viewing demographic aren't going to consistently watch a late-night talk show anyway. I'm sure his show will have a very strong first week, but that's about it.
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"The sets literally look like they were created for a high school production"
Was that a joke?
The sets are CGI on a green screen, (the vast majority of them anyway) aside from some interiors where you need a wall/bed/pillar etc...
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cheers for the info. I'll be giving that a miss then. CG sets? jesus.
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is that all the other networks primetime schedules are followed by half hour (okay, 35 min.) newscasts. However, Fox follows with an hour of news in most markets. Seeing as some of the lead-in is built around people who don't change their channels from the news, is an hour between the primetime show and the talk show at 11 pm too much? How many people - how many of Conan's fans - will sit through an hour of news to watch the show so he actually gets something out of the Fox lead-in?
My guess is that Conan will have to build his audience at FOX will little lead-in juice. However, the plus side of all this is that he WILL get the added benefit of primetime advertising (you know Fox will pimp the hell out of this if they make such a heft investment on late night programming) on a network which does well with young viewers.
Unfortunately, while I love Conan and will be rooting him on, I don't think he will crush Leno in the ratings. Fact is there are more bland people with bland tastes in America watching TV at that hour than the kinds of people who enjoy Conan.
And for those of you who think that Leno has been exposed as a shitbag that he is, I say, you underestimate the average sheep's ability to ignore the shitty things their favorite people do. If people actually paid attention to facts rather than personalities, this country's political system might actually function a bit better. -
I can't believe some of you waste your time on here posting things you think people care about. For the morons...
Caprica is kinda bad. Still better than most. Leno was 'late night king' when people said that in 94'. Get with the times. I watched ten minutes of SPARTACUS and was impressed with the look. Seriously? Hating on the look? Please go back to your fridge for your depression and stay away from my waves bros... -
I understand it promises soft-core sex. Is it Skinemax-quality stuff, or is there a level of entertainment to it?
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...are you really calling herc out on being professional? have you EVER read this site before? it's ALL about personal bias and grudges around here. herc still has his mouth firmly latched to joss wheadons cock, balls, taint, and bung-hole for god sakes. personal bias? no shit?
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if Conan had ratings like that for the last 7 months he wouldn't be going anywhere. Just sayin'...and I'm w/Team CoCo on this whole sorry mess! Also, he's going to have a helluva time beating Leno or Letterman w/only 60% of the Fox affiliates available to him the first year until syndication contracts expire on Seinfeld reruns, etc. The good news is that when it's all said & done, Fox will be a much better fit for Conan's brand of comedy. He can make the new show closer to his Late Nite show w/o worrying about catering to an older demo. Lookin' forward to it!
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are probably no more explicit than an episode of Red Shoe Diaries.
If you're only interested in the nudity parts, you can probably find the relevant clips online. Save yourself an hour.
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1) When calling someone a retard, try not to misspell the word as it tends to lessen the desired effect.2) Feigning amazement that others post their opinions and "waste their time on here posting things you think people care about" and then immediately posting YOUR opinions of those same shows is, at a minimum, ironic. Mostly, its just being a douche.
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I didn't think the ending to BSG was bad at all, I liked Caprica a lot, and thought The Plan was bland and boring.
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1) NBC and/or Leno were concerned that any small tribute Jay might pay Conan would come off as self-serving and insincere. (Unlike Jimmy Fallon’s musical comedy visit to Conan’s old “Late Night” studio that night.)
2) NBC and/or Leno knew O’Brien would hit a monster Friday number and did not want to invite comparisons. While O’Brien’s numbers were rocketing skyward all last week, all the publicity surrounding Leno’s return to “Tonight” was not a lot of help to Leno’s ratings:
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There's personal bias here? (Wait for the shocked look) Whuuuuhhhhh????
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Yet another lame-ass show that rips off the look of Zach Snyder's 300. This time it's a drama instead of a cheap History Channel bio. The whole 300 thing is getting old, people. Cut it the fuck out already!
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The pilot was better than I thought but I wonder if it has legs. How long should the ethics involved be the driving plot device? A few shows is my feeling but I am sure it will be a main focus til the end. Not sure if I can take that but I will certainly give it a few episodes to change my mind. Maybe I will get hooked. The people involved certainly deserve a chance considering how much I loved BG, most of it at least. And the cast is great, not to mention the production values.Conan is much funnier than Leno but Letterman is funnier than both. Your opinions may vary. I can live with your disapproval.But it will not surprise me to see Leno back on top, there is a country full of sheep that will back his play. Would love to see him fail but I don't see that happening, at least not in the near future. But he may have trouble gaining new fans. You may see him succeed in the short term but start to fail over the next few years. You need new blood to stay popular, he may not get that new blood. Time will tell.
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The dude just sits there and talks off the top of his head for an hour, and its bloody brilliant every night. Hes like Conan in a way...he's actually a funny person. Jay Leno isn't funny..hes calculated. Craig Ferguson is just insanely funny. And when Conan comes back I will support him no matter what channel he is on. And I'm boycotting Leno. Oher than Chuck, I refuse to watch anything on NothingButCockmasters.
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...to bad I just can't understand a damn word he's saying.
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What about the Wanda Sykes show?????? Yeah your right...i've never seen it either.
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Your a blimey aren't you? Yanks do use no terms like "bloody brilliant".
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I used to roll up on my buddies and stick my hand out for a high five, only to snatch it away before we could slap palms and scream, "Psyche". Is Wanda Sykes some chick that became famous for playing that game constantly or something? I know that Chris Rock owes a little Jack Russell Terrier that he used to put in the sketches on his HBO show and a few of his movies but that can't be her, right? No network has given a dog a show since Lassie
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whenever I feel like watching these late-night shows. Conan's been shit for years I thought. And Jay, the less said about him the better. Fallon's getting better (Boo fucking Hoo you trolls) and he just needs practice and he will be like young Conan. He has the best band in Late Night though that's for sure.
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http://www.fox.com/wanda/
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FOX will put anything on television. Guess it's time for me to start shopping my talking iguana around to studios. He's a dry, scaly, ugly mess of a creature but he's easier on the eyes than Wanda
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That's right Herc. 24 million at any given time. Read the New York Times. The idea that Conan was the most watched thing on TV that night is a joke. Are you a professional at all? Your analysis is terrible. And Conan's overall average of viewers was terrible for that slot. NBC was smart to move him, they just should not have gone about the way they did it. And believe me, I do not watch Jay. But I work in TV, I understand ratings, and I understand that this is just a business. God speed Conan.
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1) Yes, Ferguson is very funny
2) Spartacus basically tries -very- hard to be 300: The Series. Green screen CG backdrops, the same type of lighting/saturation, the fast action then slo-mo blood splatter in midair after a big strike. THIS...IS...SPARTACUS!!!!!! -
Is funny in interviews. But my god his fucking ramblings for the first 40 minutes (yes he has the shortest interview time) is fucking annoying. His skits are painfully unfunny. None of his side kicks are funny either (I mean really David Allen Greer or Dave Foley? You used to be semi famous now you do gigs for a late night show?).
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MASTURBATING BEAR YA'LL!! Seriously what time will Conan be on if he's gonna be on Fox, 11? 11:30ish?
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Jan 26, 2010 11:24:24 AM CST
Herc, you're embarrassing yourself now. This personal
by coughlins laws
grudge you have is just silly. I expect you will show us the ratings every single night of Leno doubling Letterman's ratings, right? Will you also show us the ratings every night in the fall when Conan's show is in 4th place behind Leno, Letterman, and Nightline? First of all, even though the 18-49 demo is weighted the most, you keep ignoring overall viewrship. Leno go about 6 million people to watch him every night, no matter what time he was on. Conan only got about 2 and a half million to watch him. stop being misleading in order to satisfy your ego. Whether or not you or most of the people that come to this site hate Leno or not, Leno is by far the most popular Late Night host and no matter how many attack pieces you write about Leno, you won't change that...
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He isn't famous anymore because of his tremendous temper. I heard him admit it on some interview. He gets pissed off easily and burns bridges. That guy was cool with Keenan Ivory Wayans back when that meant something. The dude was one of the best elements of "In Living Color". Everyone else from that show- Keenan, Damon, Jamie Foxx, Jim Carrey and Jennifer Lopez, went on to bigger and better careers. Only Tommy Davidson and David Allen Grier remained B-list and below. Now with Tommy Davidson we know he never went anywhere because he's terminally unfunny. But with David you gotta wonder what he's done to still be struggling after decades in the industry. Although if Chocolate News is any indication of his sense of humor, I'm glad he's stuck sitting sidecar willy with Ferguson. That show was god-awful. Should've been on BET instead of Comedy Central
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or3) NBC/Leno thought doing a comedy/variety/celebrity interview show right after the celebrity-filled telethon was not the best fit. Coenbro, 83 million may have watched the telethon (how many countries does that number include?), however Hercules' numbers are based solely on the Nielsen numbers, and only the 18-49 demo. So, paring down the stats to those parameters, The Tonight Show was the "higher rated" show. That's the beauty of statistics - depending on how you look at them, and what you chose to ignore, they can give you whatever results you want to see (or pass along)
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he isnt leaving because they made him, he's leaving because he didnt want their offer of starting at 12:05. had he said yes then he'd still have a job there.
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there are actually people who leave their tv to a certain channel until their show comes on? if the show preceeding mine isnt of any interest, i just watch another channel or turn the tv off til my show starts. i've never understood this lead in concept. especially for late night shows.
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Conan's no dummy, and most people watching this play out see what was going on too: NBC wanted Leno back in the tonight show, plain and simple, and they were squeezing Conan out. The first step was to put Jay on at 11:30 for a half hour and have Conan on at 12:05. By doing that, they put the ball in Conan's court. Had Conan chosen to stay despite what was obviously going on, then there would have been nothing to stop NBC from moving the Tonight Show to 12:35 eventually and giving Jay a full hour Jay Leno show at 11:35. It would be too late for Conan to make the argument that it was no longer tonight, but tomorrow, at 12:35 because if he hadn't spoken up when they moved him to 12:05, then that argument would be moot at that point. This is clear to everyone with a brain...but NBC played it this way so that morons could claim Conan quit instead of NBC pushing him out...and that's precisely what happened. See above.
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I love his interviews, but to get to them we have to sit through: a 2-minute opening which is usually a pre-monologueafter the commercial, a 10 minute monologueafter another commercial, a 5 minute behind the desk post-monologue, or maybe a skitmore commercials and then the emailsone more commercial break until we finally get to the first interview.I hate most of his skits. The entertainment reporter one is by far the worst of them all. I know it's supposed to be annoying as it is making fun of obnoxious entertainment journalism types. However, it's so annoying it's not funny, it's just annoying.I'd love to see Craig Ferguson reduce the amount of time he spends talking to the audience and spend more time talking to his guests. Maybe if he cut the number of segments in which he's making off-the-cuff remarks, he wouldn't run out of time so often. It surprised me how often guests get bumped from his show (but don't worry, they'll "come back" next week).By the way, I don't recall ever seeing David Alan Grier on the show. Did you mean Tim Meadows?
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I agree that Caprica is ill-conceived. It will not have the legs to last long. To me, as someone has said, a series set during the Cylon War would have been much more interesting. I doubt I will watch Caprica for very long and I doubt it will last long.
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I know what you mean. I think its meant more for how many people fall asleep during some 10PM show which ends up having them show that they watched the next couple of shows before they wake up and turn the tv off.
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Tim Meadows David Allen Greier? Is their really a difference career level wise.
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his agents/lawyers, though, for not spelling out in his contract that The Tonight Show starts at 11:35pm. That gave the sleazy lawyers at NBC to be able to put him at 12:05pm instead of having to fire him. They had to make it look like Conan was quitting. However, after all the backlash NBC has gotten, they still gave Conan a big buy-out. I'm sure the way things were worded they didn't have to give him anything because he was publicly quitting. I do feel bad for him. But he was set up to fail. I'm glad he's freed up to pursue other venues for his talent. However, I still don't think he can compete head-to-head-to-head with Letterman and Leno. Luckily, he'll have a half hour headstart at 11:00pm and only be competing against Jon Stewart. And don't get me wrong, I think Conan has been funny in the past. I remember his staring contests, his talking heads with Clinton or other newsmakers at the time, and his point-counterpoint bits. But, alot of those bits ran out of steam. His whole In The Year 2000 skit doesn't work anymore. And the Masturbating Bear or even Triumph the Insult-Dog are just repetitive. I wish Conan all the best. He's just not as consistently funny as Leno and never looked right as Host of The Tonight Show...
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as having much to do with a show's success (or failure). However, for late night I do think it has some relevance. Regular viewers watch regardless so it doesn't matter what's on before. Casual viewers, on the other hand, need to be enticed to watch. It's the casual viewer, watching the nightly news, who sees a promo for the late night talk show saying "Blah-Blah has WhatsHisFace on tonight", and thinks "I like WhatsHisFace, I'm gonna watch that". Had Casual Viewer not been watching that nightly news, because he hadn't been watching the 10pm show that lead into it, he never would have know that Blah-Blah was interviewing WhatsHisFace, and never would have watched.As for 11pm news, I'm sure some have their regular viewers who, despite what they were watching at 10:00, will switch over to them at 11:00 (and in turn see who Blah-Blah, or Blah-Blah's rival-network's counterpart, has on his show that night). However, local news also has it's share of casual viewers - those who watch whichever one is on after what they had just been watching.For the Casual Viewer, late night TV is all about the "guest-star". To entice the Casual Viewer to watch, the network first needs to let them know, as close to the start time as possible so they don't forget, who the guest is. That's where the lead-in comes in.
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Who ever fucking watches anything live anymore? Why anyone wouldn't have a DVR is beyond me. I always smack my friends in the face when they tell me they don't have one. Even old people have them now.
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Hell to the fucking no he isn't. They save him enough that he is funny as shit. The masterbating bear sure, because its a one joke thing. But they have never over used triumph.
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As he did these past two weeks, he wouldn't been in the place. His show fucking sucked at ten. Especially after his first break. Where he probably had a meeting with executives who were mad about his numbers and wanted him to be more like Leno. God after his first break in early summer he was unwatchable.
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Jan 26, 2010 12:29:03 PM CST
I think for local news, lead-ins DO matter. Who gives a shit
by coughlins laws
what worthless local news team you're watching. They're all pretty much amateurs waiting for their call-up to a bigger market. If you're watching CSI and the local news comes on, I'm sure you don't give a shit enough to change the channel to a different local news station. They'll be almost identical. However, I don't see why you wouldn't flip between the Late Night guys to the one you want. I think that's totally different...
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Especially the promos. Stay tuned to find out about this guy who was caught for killing this person. Then you watch it, and thats the whole fucking story. Guy A was caught today for the murder of women B...and in sports! Then fucking 30 minutes of sport and weather. There isn't even news anymore.
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it is Conan O'brien's contract did state that The Tonight Show must start at 11:35. However, there is a clause that allows the network to push back the start time in order to accommodate special events, news, sports, etc. without penalty. Somewhere in there it probably states that the clause can only be invoked on a case-by-case basis. In other words, NBC could do it now and again, but could not make it permanent. Conan did not quit, he refused to move his show to a later time, so NBC fired him. They could not legally move his show to 12:05 permanently so, in order to accommodate Jay Leno and his contract, and avoid a lawsuit, they bought out Conan's contract. NBC would not have paid out $45 million if they didn't have to.
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This was last nights rating for prime time. Fox, since we are all talking about Conan going to Fox, won in both the demo and overall but the overall makes up over 8 million viewers not in the demo age group of 18-49. So while Conan will probably do well in the demo he needs those others to get the ratings he needs.
Among adults 18-49, FOX averaged a 4.3 rating, beating the 3.6 rating for ABC in the key demographic. CBS was third with a 2.6 rating, with NBC's 1.9 rating and the 1.0 rating for The CW.
Overall, FOX averaged an estimated 12.43 million viewers to go with a 7.4 rating/11 share, edging the 7.3/11 for ABC. CBS was third overall with a 5.9/9, leaving NBC's 3.2/5 and the 1.4/2 for The CW to follow.
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Bullshit. I bet it all comes down to ad revenue. Which of course gets its info from ratings BS.
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"the Late Night guys to the one you want. I think that's totally different..."Not everyone has a preference. One show could be hosted by the producer's brother, another by some obnoxious douche, a third by the world's most popular man. It really wouldn't make much difference to someone who only watches for the guest (and only those guests they want to see). Those are the people, people who "don't give a shit enough to change the channel to a different local news", who are enticed by the "stay tuned ..." promo for that network's late night talkshow. "Who ever fucking watches anything live anymore?"A big part of the ratings problem. Advertisers only care about "live" viewers, those who supposedly watch their commercials. Do advertisers really think they can sway consumers with a new product by appealing to those antiquated viewers so stubbornly stuck in the stone age of television? I for one see more commercials with my DVR than I ever do watching "live" TV. Watching "live", come commercial time, I generally switch to some sporting event for several minutes, then flip back. Watching with the DVR, I may fastforward through commercials, but I still see them. Plus, if something catches my eye I will stop to watch it.
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Conan did his best at 11:30, but I think it was just a little too soon for him to make the transition. The (older) Tonight Show audience wasn't ready for him, and the (younger) Late Night audience wasn't ready to follow. His real problem at Fox may not be getting affiliates, but keeping this "loyal" following that has suddenly appeared. For many of them, it's likely more about the principle than Conan himself. Younger audiences are never going to side with the big bad corporation- they're going to side with the talent. But if they'd been this passionate about Conan's Tonight Show from the beginning, NBC would've never been so quick to dump him. Remember, this wasn't a 7 month newbie. It was someone that had been established for 16 years.
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In terms of commercials where they have you sit there and just watch TV like you normally would for a couple of hours. Not let you know that they are an advertizing company just so they can monitor your habits and if you stop for their commercial are not. Pretty much I just want to make some money watching tv.
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Yeah I totally agree. Like out of the woodwork all these people that hadn't watched Conan since they saw the Monorail episode of the Simpsons were like I LOVE CONAN!!!! Fuck that. I usually watch Letterman/Conan and Kimmel every night.
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Actually it is for the advertisers of the Tonight Show since most of their advertisements are for Viagra, Cialis, Boniva, Flomax, etc.
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I keep seeing everyone scream about how terrible Conan's Tonight Show was probably having only watched it one or two times. It was hilarious. Maybe not as good as Late Night but it was still miles ahead of anything Leno has ever done in his entire career. Of course it is probably a case of people reading an article saying Conan sucked now and going "YEAH! I believe what the internets tell me too!"
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Over the age of 50 that still watches any show after 10PM on a regular basis.
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I watched pretty much every Conan since he took over the tonight show. Sure he's better then Jay (shit I bet Wanda Sykes and George Lopez are better then Jay) but he wasn't half as funny as he was on the Late Show. And after that first break when Letterman was kicking his ass, he came back and his monolog started to sound a lot like Leno's. His jokes were very softball and it was just too tame. Didn't even seem like he was having a good time. Also Conan was getting fucked on the guests, they were all showing up on Leno still.
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I like Caprica, but since we all know what is going to happen, so I think we can guess how events will play out. Avatar Zoe Greystone believes in the one true God just like the original Zoe. This is going to influence the Final Five when they eventually show up during the First Cylon War. Avatar Zoe is not going to like the "outside world" and will think that humans are nothing but heathens, and on top of the treatment of Cylons, will grow to hate humans, sparking the war. Every Cylon Centurion can't be copies of Zoe. So Daniel Greystone will download all of the personal data from humans, dead or alive into the Cylons. Leaving out certain parts so that they don't freak out like Adama's big sister did. The 8 Humanoid Cylon models in BSG, are probably copies of humans from the 12 Colonies that were in Centurion bodies. This goes against the conversation between Cavil and Ellen Tigh because she gave him his personality, but it explains why he hates the human race so much.
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You may be right but I think over time he would have settled in. I still think he was hilarious. The stuff with Cody Devareaux was classic. As was Twitter Tracker. I think he was getting better. Oh well, now the puds can have Leno back and clap wildly as he constantly points out how stupid his own audience is.
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He's no dummy, I'll give him that. He knows the average viewer is a mouth-breathing troll and catered his show to them to ensure ratings. What he gave in return was respect and the chance to ever be considered anything but an average hack.
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I wish both Conan and Leno left NBC so they were stuck with the next clusterfuck: Jimmy Fallon as host of The Tonight Show.
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He's been the only late show host with any balls for a while. He doesn't suck up to anyone. Also with Conan a bunch of his main writers were doing other shit, so maybe some of the new people weren't that great.
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That would have been a hilarious disaster to watch. I bet they wouldn't have given it to him. Who knows what they would have done, maybe dig up Carson's remains and just put them in a chair for an hour a night. That is if they could get them to stop spinning in his grave from what Leno has done to the legacy of The Tonight Show.
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Please tell me you're named after my favorite Gob Bluth quotes.
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Is that Fallons been killing it. Hasn't he manged to get better ratings then Conan had? I don't know? Its just kind of funny because they brought all this "needs time to find audience" bullshit about Conan, yet Fallon seems to have done just fine.
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Who is to say.
Look at banner Michael! -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJxezENN6-Y&feature=player_embedded
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Started off strong but is getting beat by Kimmel and Ferguson now. And he's terrible.
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I guess he usually beats Ferguson. He still sucks.
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Awesome! To bad all we'll get of a Green Lantern though is the power battery and ring. Wonder if that's the same battery Sheldon had a couple of weeks ago on Big Bang Theory. Anyone know if that is real, you can buy one?
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After Leno hopefully fails, I can see NBC going with their next find as the new Tonight Show host: Tina Fey.
30Rock is getting the acclaim but not the ratings, so I can see Fey wanting to leave on a high-note (seeing also that Baldwin wants out soon).
I'm not the biggest Tina Fey fan, but I can see this happening. They might even throw Lorne Michaels in the mix to produce/over-haul the whole show. -
Jan 26, 2010 3:02:54 PM CST
See, people are still doing it. Why can't you just say that
by coughlins laws
you like Conan better and leave it at that? Why do some of you assholes have to insult the people who like Leno better? Why do you have to question the intelligence of someone who has a different sense of humor than you? You think because you are in the minority on something that it somehow makes you superior to others? I just don't understand the vitriol you have for your fellow Americans. It's kind of sad you live your life that way...
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where their mouth is and refuse to hawk their shit on lenos tonight show?
I did some analysis and the answer is NONE. they will all show up to sell their shitty albums and movies and everyone will forget how NBC just wanted to get their number one late night show back. -
...The Daily Show and Colbert Report? I love Conan and think he's awesome, but I always thought that he shared the same audience with the Comedy Central Wonder Twins. How will he compete with them at 11p.m.?
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Anyone know?
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Yes, it's a total rip-off of 300....but 30 is fucking cool! I thought the story and the acting was good too. The sex seemed gratuitous and the blood-splashes were hilariously over the top, but that's all good news!
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Jan 26, 2010 3:30:57 PM CST
Another thing I don't understand is guys that hate Leno
by coughlins laws
because he wasn't trying to "revolutionize" The Tonight Show. Well, if you're trying to change everything about it, you're not really doing The Tonight Show anymore, are you? I heard the mediocre Patton Oswald a few days ago go on and on about how Letterman and even Conan were great comedians and Leno is an asshole because those two guys watched The Tonight Show for years and thought to themselves what they could do to change it once they got it. Huh? Well, if they wanted to totally change the show, it's not Tonight Show that Paar and Carson did. Like I said many times, I don't understand why so many people here think that comedy has to be wierd, or insulting, or "hip" for it to be funny. Many things make many different people laugh. And stop this bullshit superiority thing about how you think Conan's comedy is more "edgy" or smarter because he went to Harvard. Explain to me how The Masturbating Bear is an example of sophisticated humor? Plus, I love how everyone here thinks that someone that went to Harvard is automatically smarter than all the rest of us, but the fact that George W Bush got an MBA from Harvard means nothing to you guys...
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We learned that wwp>nbc. And unlike the kitten that gets blown up at the end of Craig's show, Conan aint coming back, at least not to "the 'cock". What's worse is that most people around 30 and younger won't have the same reverance for The Tonight Show like the older folks who grew up with Johnny Carson and the other hosts did have.
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The whole virtual reality thing was lame and has been done a hundred times. Maybe it was just filmed badly because there was nothing interesting or special about that VR world so it was unclear why people wanted to hang out there. Yes, virtual murder and sex, but it just came off as silly. Hopefully it ramps way up for the subsequent episodes.
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Show after he left The Tonight Show. So stop giving Leno hell for taking the 10pm hour....
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I worked on his show in the mid 90's but i have known him since the SNL days a really funny man.
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no matter where he ends up. I started watching him on Late Night when I was 13 and I have been a fan since. I made the switch to him as the host of the Tonight Show and I enjoyed it. Yes he seemed a little watered down but my guess is he had to do it for the earlier time slot.
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That the Caprica pilot that aired was a "CG enhanced" version. So a gussied-up version of what was released in April.
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God, a Leno defender? How mediocre of you.
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But then I always have been. the man is the very definition of vanilla.
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Time for another ban.
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...Leno's return to THE TONIGHT SHOW will overtake David Letterman in less than three months. When Conan goes to Fox, he will attract far more Letterman viewers than TONIGHT SHOW WITH JAY LENO viewers. I think that Conan is funny...Leno is funny...and Letterman is a dirty, grumpy old man.
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I like how Leno said "don't blame conan" as if that was happening in any great amount. At least he is an insincere douche.
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Jan 26, 2010 4:07:22 PM CST
Are you kidding, ccchhhhrrrriiiisssm? I think he'll be beating
by coughlins laws
Letterman from day one. Leno's fan base followed him to 10pm, where he had about 3 million more sets of eyeballs watching him than watched Letterman. Why would those people all of a sudden prefer Letterman when they didn't for the last 15 years? America has spoken, more people like Leno than the insult-comic Letterman...
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for forcing NBC to force him out in 2004. That was pretty classy. Unlike what Letterman has been doing...
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...when it was NBC who faced the ultimatum from Conan for his services on NBC. Conan was either going to get THE TONIGHT SHOW...or he was going to walk. He forced NBC's hand...NBC forced Leno's hand...and it didn't work out after all. I like Conan. He is a great writer and very witty comedian. However, he just doesn't have the ratings that Leno had. This MIGHT be due to the poor lead in from The Jay Leno Show and local news. However, CBS has been skunking NBC in the prime time ratings for years...and it never hurt Leno's TONIGHT SHOW ratings (or helped Letterman, for that matter). I just don't know what to think. Conan's humor is similar (but better) than Letterman's -- but I don't know that the 11:35 PM time will be good to LENO + LETTERMAN + CONAN. Ultimately, Letterman will be the loser from this entire debacle. His ratings will suffer tremendously from Leno reclaiming his title as "King of Late Night" -- and it will only get worse when Conan joins Fox.
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...that conservatives (mostly) rally around Leno when it comes to late night TV, even though in reality he's a pretty liberal guy.
I don't hate Leno (though his behavior here could have been a lot better), and I certainly don't think that comedy has to be vulgar to be funny. But to be TRULY funny without pushing any kind of envelope requires very special talent, which Leno doesn't have.
I've loved watching Conan since I was 14 and would look forward to being able to stay up late on Friday nights. But four or five years ago, his show started to tank, and I started really liking Letterman, whom I'd not liked before. So yeah, ccchhhrrriiisssm, I feel bad for him, because he IS going to be the ultimate loser here. But half the reason he's become so much better in the last decade (in my opinion), is that after his heart surgery he really just doesn't give a damn anymore. So who knows? -
If I have a TV on at 11 PM (I usually don't) then I'll peek in on Conan. Leno will forever be a black mark on The Tonight Show.
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Jan 26, 2010 4:56:31 PM CST
If Leno sinks Tonight Show into cancellation, PARTY AT MY PLACE!
by onin solstice
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that someone whose screen name is a quote from Cocktail is NOT to be taken seriously.
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Do you think we'll know what is next for Conan before or after Leno goes back to 11:35? There will not be any feelings of closure on this debacle until I know where Coco is landing.
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Jan 26, 2010 5:03:08 PM CST
Has leno ever appeared in a Spider-Man comic?
by battle_royale_with_cheese
No? http://tinyurl.com/ ydzjn5z
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if I refused to watch anybody who was liberal, I'd never watch anything out of Hollywood. What you have to understand is that conservatives are very tolerant people and we don't let other's political views determine whether we like a person or not (i.e.- look at all of the personal attacks and death wishes on this site towards Sarah Palin the last year and a half). Conservative and liberal has nothing to do with it. All these guys rag on conservative politicians much more than liberal politicians and at least one of the guys NEVER says anything negative about the President, even though he eviscerated Bush on a daily basis. Conan hasn't done anything in particular to turn off conservatives like Letterman has, his humor is just extremely sophomoric. Leno makes fun of everyone and he isn't mean about it. That's why people like him. You know they're just jokes. When Letterman insults someone, he is showing contempt and hatred. Letterman has made it very clear the last 4 or 5 years that he doesn't like conservatives and has deep contempt for anyone who even has a good thing to say about conservatives...
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http://www.dailyraider. com/index.php?id=4070
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It was painfully bad to watch.
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Congratulations. You're officially funnier than Leno has ever been.
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screen name. The fact you try to use my screen name to personally attack me, especially when yours is extremely stupid, is very telling. In fact, if you are trying to make fun of me for lifting a name from a movie you deem horrible, aren't you a wussy, too, for even knowing where the name comes from? Everyone on this site likes stupid movies. Quit trying to play your superiority card. I'm sure if I looked I can find you in the middle of incredibly stupid movie arguments showing you're just as much of a geek as anyone else here. Your opinion is no more valid than mine. In fact, I'd say less so. Are you actually an adult trying to send someone to a screen-grab from a comic book?
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Jan 26, 2010 5:13:56 PM CST
Hey, Battle_Royale, just look at the talkbacks on this site
by coughlins laws
for the last 2 years concerning the election. The few conservatives have been extremely tolerant and argue based on facts, while at the same time being eviscerated constantly with personal attacks and the wishing of death on those they disagreed with. Look at the personal attacks on me. I never start off being personal at all. I state what the facts are as I see them and get called every name in the book by about 15 people at once, you included. I've said nothing negative about you and in return have received multiple personal insults that have nothing to do with what i said, for no reason whatsoever other than you disagree with me...
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I hope you can get over the fact that I was a big meanie pants and made fun of you liking Cocktail. (but i would like to point out that I know that Miley Cyrus sings Party In the USA... it doesn't mean I own any of her fucking albums). Ironic that my opinion, which is less valid than yours, would be so upsetting to you.
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Tolerant means you're basically putting up with that person (i.e. not accepting), and that's fine, but it's not as great an attribute as some make it out to be. Also, not all conservatives are even that as Robert Patterson (a very big conservative) says Haiti's earthquake was caused because of their deal with the devil - certainly not displaying tolerance there. My point is just don't make such generalized statements (especially if they can be easily refuted).
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Jan 26, 2010 5:41:37 PM CST
Jay returns to TONIGHT = more robust war profiteering
by julienthejamminjabber
I talked to my 92 year old grandmother the other day and asked her who she watches. She said she loves Jay Leno and when asked about Conan and Letterman, she had never heard of either of them. Jay's 10pm show upset the affiliates because all the geriatric set people who watch Jay assumed that once his show was over, it was their bedtime. Thus, they stopped watching the news and were no longer getting their nightly dose of required fearmongering that the military industrial complex depends on for its own profiteering. Meanwhile, the NBC pointyheads assumed that Conan would capture the supposedly valuable 18-49 demographic, not realizing that nobody in age 18-49 watches tv anymore because they're too busy watching porn on the internet or playing their video games or watching Conan on hulu instead. Letterman for his part, only gets about 4 million viewers per night, or a bit more than 1% of the population of the US. Jay and Dave combined get about 3% of the pop. so what the hell is everybody else doing? Basically, they've realized that all the pap the networks put on the air is nothing other than mindless advertainment designed to prop up the phony glamour of dimwit actors in the hopes of restoring the flagging returns on movies now that the digital revolution has destroyed the value of DVDs & Blurays (i.e. slim discs of super cheap plastic with a bunch of ones and zeros etched into them that somehow expect to be worth $20).
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Although Conan joked about Tilda Swinton playing him in a movie about the late night wars, Tilda Swinton actually said she was all for it! http://tiny.cc/PC9tr
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Watch, as it gets five seasons...
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Robert Patterson... do you mean Pat Robertson?
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OK, maybe July, but no way he can save the tonight show from tanking. NBC assumes everything will be as it was pre-Conan, but guess what dudes, times change. Much like network television in general, this boat has sailed.
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if you're into half naked oily men. And I'm intrigued by the thing with Xena and the slutty wife of that guy.
Also, I find it fascinating how this whole deal with "Leno" and "Connan" and whoever else is just so important for people in the US and nobody else gives a shit. It's like, worse than the superbowl, because at least that happens and then everyone goes on with their lives until the next year. but this topic just won't die. -
$100 says you're wrong. In fact, I bet another $100 that Jay Leno's TONIGHT SHOW ratings will surpass Creepy ol' David Letterman by June.
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...can't stand the fact that 81% of this nation thinks that their weird. =)
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Excuse my typo. =)
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(o-_-)=o(#_<)
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You guys seriously need to update your site.
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Yes I did. My mistake indeed.
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you cann't find enough porn on the web.Remember Shannon Tweeds rule to movie making. What you lack in writing, production values, and acting; make up for in BOOBS. UHHMM BOOBS!! Hopefully her daughter will follow in her footsteps. Is she 18 yet?(I just put that in so I don’t sound creepy I could give a shit)
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Jan 26, 2010 9:24:28 PM CST
People only tuned in to see conan freak out "network" style
by piratebill
Im pretty sure The only reason for the huge rating on conans last show was the influx of new viewers watching to see if a fired employee takes one last opportunity to flip out on their boss or generally trashes the place. Not because they necessarily like the show
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its the truth. its just like his comedy...nothing there. if the fukking tonight show MEANT that much to him AND HE WAS FUKIING #1 IN RATINGS...WHY DID HE GIVE IT UP??????? because he is a dickless, shallow, PUSSY of a MAN. u are fighting a LOSING battle LAWS. i AGREE with alot u say on certain things... BUT, ur JUST WRONG ON THIS ONE BUDDY. sorry, gotta call u out on this.
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Jan 26, 2010 10:08:24 PM CST
ccchhhrrriiisssm, Your on, no way Leno get his old ratings!
by onin solstice
TV in general has fallen off the ratings love wagon, I don't see the tonight show ever recapturing it's old status. All the Leno hate isn't going to help either.
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all this hate and backlash is only coming from the internet dorks. I hope you guys actually didn't feel sorry for Conan, he got a lot of money out of this shit and he'll go to a station that will give him better ratings.
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The behind the scenes people that paqed up and left ny for soCal. Supposedly they got "good" severance paqages, but to move your fam on the other coast to worq on what you thinq is a great show that will have some legs is true dediqation. Hopefully they're all together again soon, and it's not an incovenience for them.
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I bet she's a blast to hang out with
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What kind of mother birthed a mouthpiece for a sentiment such as this ?
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IF the show was live, had a VERY close friend as a director (avoiding the show to go off the air immediatly), AND he was 70 years old and with no real chance of getting another job... THEN he would probably go "network" on the show and trash the place apart, maybe even set it on fire.
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Leno probably did not really want to retire five years ago. He's not old and senile, and while he had the tonight show for 17 years, Carson had it for 30, so there was no real reason for him to retire other than NBC wanting him to (so they can keep Conan). He was probably forced to agree to this against his will by the NBC suits and is justifiable in feeling fully entitled to reclaim his old show. Jay is just another victim of NBC's mismanagement.
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the people who didn't watch Leno anyway are really going to care about any of this. Leno will get his same audience that crushes Letterman every night and if Conan gets more than 2 million viewers, it won't be drawn from Leno viewers...
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That's old news. That has been discussed a thousand times already. But here it is AGAIN: If he didn't want to retire, he could have told them to fuck off. And after you're pushed out by a network that you thought respected you, you don't hang around. You go to another network and steal their ratings to show them how stupid they were to let you go. He is not entitled because he gave up the show. Whether he was forced to or not is not the issue. He is completely screwing over Conan, and he knew that he could because his buyout is more than double what Conans ending up being. He is a certified Douchebag plain and simple.
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its a fucking talkback about CONAN and LENO OK!?!? take all that political bullshit and go post at the Huffington Post or something....sheesh. why do all u political dipshits aways want to turn a normal tb into a political diatribe?
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for his new network, sometime around when Leno moves back to 11:30 after the olympics.
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The near-constant commercials of matrix-like zion club scenes did little to appeal. It didn't work for Neo, it ain't gonna work for Caprica. The fact that the actresses look like blocks of emo wood probably didn't do any good either.
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should come with a disclaimer:
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Agreed on Ferguson. That man is funny in any dialect. And the puppetshows are knee-slappers!
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take leno's penile contraption (the metal contraption from seven) up the arse.
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all politicians suck the taint and now so do you.
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Craig Ferguson can just stand there and talk about whatever occurs to himfor half an hour - or so it seems, I bet a lot of writing and effort goes into making it look that easy. He swears and makes obscene gestures, sometimes at the audience and sometimes at his guests. The young actresses that always show up on talk shows nervous and have to be put at ease? He terrifies them instead. It's awesome. As an old comics fan I think it's weird he does an Aquaman bit that has nothing to do with Aquaman other than "Hey, what a silly costume", but oh well, what can you say about Aquaman anyway?Until Fox programs the 10:00 - 11:00 slot, they'll always be a part time baby network. Why is it assumed Conan will go there instead of Comedy Central, HBO, Showtime, Starz or anywhere else that wants to try out the talk show format?I don't get whatever network Spartacus is on, but hey, a low budget 300 rip with nude Xena? Heck to the yeah I'm dumb enough to watch that. Even if Lucy is about five years short of looking like Sigourney does now and has to blow the producer to get work. (For the record, the one she's married to, not the other three.)
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