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That 'Shelved' PLANET OF THE APES/Caesar Project May Not Be So Dead After All...
Merrick here...
Over the weekend, New York Magazine's "Vulture" posted details on Scott Frank's CAESAR project. This was originally intended to reboot the PLANET OF THE APES franchise by more or less remaking the fourth film of the original cycle...CONQUEST OF THE PLANET OF THE APES...which chronicled the Apes' brutal overthrow of humanity (details HERE).
Recent reports said the film had been indefinitely shelved. THIS ARTICLE over at CHUD says Frank's Caesar was sidelined by Fox because the film was too dark and too expensive; if you're familiar with Fox's dubious decision making process, as well as the tone of the original CONQUEST, it's not difficult to imagine this being the case. What is surprising is that the project may not be so dead after all.
Production and agency insiders both confirm that Fox has hired writer Jamie Moss (Street Kings) to rework Frank's version, and the original writers, Rick Jaffa and Amanda Silver (The Relic, The Hand that Rocks the Cradle), were recently brought back to polish the dialogue.
Frank’s Apes script, code-named Caesar, showed how genetic experiments on apes led to their evolutionary eclipse of humans. "Caesar" refers to the genetically altered leader of the simian rebellion, so dubbed because the ape was capable of grand strategic thinking on par with Julius Caesar (whose own surname means "hairy" in Latin). The "Caesar" code name also foreshadowed the script's plot: Just as the actual Julius Caesar set Rome on the path to the Roman Empire, the experimental ape's escape sets in motion his fellow hirsute hominids' (wait for it ... ) guerrilla war and subsequent dominance.*
The studio, however, wanted to pursue a different tack than Frank, and the writer-director was unwilling to change direction, according to a production source
...says Vulture HERE. The article also says that APES/Caesar has been handed over to former News Crop exec Peter Chernin, who is now a producer at Fox.
As indicated before, I sure found Tim Burton's run at rebooting the franchise tedious and unimaginative - hopefully sharper sensibilities will prevail this time around. I know, I know...
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Frank’s Apes script, code-named Caesar, showed how genetic experiments on apes led to their evolutionary eclipse of humans. "Caesar" refers to the genetically altered leader of the simian rebellion, so dubbed because the ape was capable of grand strategic thinking on par with Julius Caesar (whose own surname means "hairy" in Latin). The "Caesar" code name also foreshadowed the script's plot: Just as the actual Julius Caesar set Rome on the path to the Roman Empire, the experimental ape's escape sets in motion his fellow hirsute hominids' (wait for it ... ) guerrilla war and subsequent dominance.*
The studio, however, wanted to pursue a different tack than Frank, and the writer-director was unwilling to change direction, according to a production source
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Never thought I'd say it
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Not sure I'm really looking forward to this. Love the original Apes films (the first 2-3 I guess). Didn't like the series. Despised the remake/reboot/whatever a few years back.
The problem is the original worked with an element of surprise which you can never capture again. The revolution of the Apes angle is ok, but nothing that hasn't been seen 100 other times. They need to find a good twist...something that will surprise everyone in the audience. If they do that, I'm sold. If not, this will be a waste of time, talent, and money. -
Should Fox give this to Cameron to produce with ARNOLD starring like it was intended years ago? Just a thought since AVATAR is Cameron's ticket to making any project he wants.
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not possible now days what with the tinterweb and all that. We didn't have it back when the original apes came out so it was really easy to do cool plot twists and not have people find out
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...of humanity".It's called FOX NEWS.
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... Reference there.
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I'd love this to pan out well. Wouldn't it be wonderful if some serious talent got behind this and we were given another five fantastic films? I adore the old movies but the Tim Burton reboot sucked on every level, it was just utter crap. Wrong director, wrong script, wrong actors you name it. Gritty and adult is definitely the way to go with this franchise, the old movies were not what you could call 'family friendly', or light and 'mainstream', yet they cleaned up and the kids loved em. They had something to say and had the balls to do so in a grown up fashion. They always ended on an unbelievably dark note - Beneath in particular. Imagine what a director like Fincher or DelTorro could do with this kinda material, especially with a top class actor taking centre stage. I'd love to see what could be done with this effects wise too - imagine a fully realized forbidden zone, or ape city? Could be awesome if only the producers don't fuck it up again. - when are they gonna learn to hire the right creatives then just stand the fuck back.
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Planet of the Republicans or Planet of the Fox News Employees,as only genetic engineering could make them smarter than humans.
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The apes could be real reactionaries, yearning for a simpler time before this "evolution" took hold and apes ruled the earth with a fundamentally decent, culturally homogenous, paternalistic system.
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...and should never have been given the go-ahead. I like the "Caesar" concept but I hope they take it in a truly much darker, disturbing direction. We need those damned dirty apes to be truly threatening and powerful. We also need a relatable, deeply human story of how sapiens-sapiens regains hope for a new start. Let it be so.
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Cinemax has been playing it a lot recently so I gave it another look. The ape makeup is astonishingly good and Tim Roth and Paul Giamatti are great. But much like Peter Jackson's King Kong remake, Burton's Planet of The Apes has no real reason to exist. A huge waste of talent and money.
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In fact Tim Roth and the fantastic makeup jobs are the only reason for the film to exist.
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PotA remake was junk, but Wahlberg was absolutely terrible. It would have been at least nice to have a character with some character in the lead... Damon is a very compelling presence, could have done PotA some good...
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Seeing as Democrats ....
were against the Civil War,
tried to stop the Emancipation Proclamation,
started the KKK,
contained most of the public officials that tried to stop de-segregation, including a branch of the party that ran on a segregation ticket in the 40s,
signed Civil Rights legislation only AFTER it was passed by the Republican Congress,
has the only Klansman currently in Congress,
through their unalloyed use of Identity Politics has doe everything they can to thwart Martin Luther Kings dream (MLK was a Republican BTW),
has LESS black people in current Cabinet positions than in the Bush II administration had, and
refers to anyone not "picking cotton on the Democrats plantation" a "race traitor" or "house nigger".
If reality is any guide this movie will have Democrats owning the enslaved apes.
Of course in the fantasy world of Hollywood that won't happen.
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What a sloppy fucking movie Burton's remake was.
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Harry promised to give us details of this project back in 2000 and never honored this. Does anyone know what his planet of the apes was about?
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You grievously misread history. The 2 parties flipped polarity in the 1960s after the Civil rights Act. Lincoln's GOP was the Democrat Party of its day. When Johnson outlawed race discrimination, all the Dixie racist goons went GOP. Which is where we stand today.
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Its fucking great..and will appear to be an original take and reboot of the project. But seriously I just want to see a bunch of apes on spikes in the forbidden zone, screaming in agony while blood pours out of a statue of their god in a g rated movie.
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Both parties have obviously changed over the years and comparisons to a by gotten time serve no positive purpose.
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... became Republicans in the middle of the 20th century following a raft of civil rights legislation and court decisions, jbs9200, I'd say your metaphor is pretty fucking labored and bitter.
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deliberation, caution, good sense and logic. Now I see just an incoherent rabble of reactionary, shallow-thinking, violent and unintentionally hilarious goons. Not all Republicans are like this, I'm sure. Just the ones that seize attention on TV, radio and Internet message forums.
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...the Libertarian Apes? Just the right mix of liberal and conservative.
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Jan 25, 2010 12:03:07 PM CST
...JBS9200, ad me to the list of people giving you a wedgie...
by flickapoo
...fortunately they got there first and did it better, longer, and harder...
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I thought the Burton version was ok. I hated Mark Wahlberg in it but Rick Baker's makeups were fucking amazing! I thought the story was kind of bizarre and didn't quite work. but there was a lot of great setpieces there. Paul Giamatti was brilliant in it. I don't quite understand the loathing that film received.In any event, I would love to see a dark reimaging of Conquest. One thing that gave me a bit of pause was that they were going to be actual chimps. Like the little, squatty, Ronald Reagan befriending, Tarzan's Cheetah chimps. Except they would be smart and walk upright. That just sounds really fuckin' weird and possibly unintentionally hilarious. Could come off like those superbowl ads.It makes much more sense to me if they are large creatures that look like fuckin' Bigfoot. Now THAT would be some cool shit!
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Jan 25, 2010 12:07:05 PM CST
...REVENGE_ we're talking about the fact that Glenn Beck...
by flickapoo
...is a masturbating orangutan who keeps a picture of Sarah Palin in his Dream Diary...stay on topic please.
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They primarily want to ignore all the original ideas floating about out there to do uninspired remakes/sequels/prequels/reboots/etc. using name recognition and the nostalgia factor of the original, and then they title a Planet of the Apes film Caesar. Huh? Way to completely confuse the audience, many of whom will possibly mistake this as being about Julius Caesar. Seriously, Planet of the Apes is an epic epic title, just like Invasion of the Body Snatchers, which had its 3rd remake unfortunately and blandly titled The Invasion. Caesar... a very bland title I say, very very bland.I also not keen on the whole aspect of been there and done that with the ape rebellion angle. Gorillas waging guerilla warfare, ha ha... no. Sorry, they can do better I think.The Arnold and Cameron combo would be great once Arnie is done being the Governator. He's about the perfect age now compared with Heston's age in the original. I want a kick ass Apes action-adventure film reminiscent of the original, but not a complete copycat version either.And think of the possibilities of Cameron's 3D camera system and other Avatar tech that could be used on an Apes film. Although, I don't want them to go full digital like Avatar. With the makeup technology and 3D, plus Arnold and Cameron producing or directing it could be the Apes film we all probably wanted in 2001, but instead got Tim Burton's disaster.
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... and it got me thinking. What is it with Hollywood conservatives and apes? Reagan ... Heston ... Eastwood. Am I missing anybody?
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Wasn't Avitar enough. Nix on the self hatred. Human's rule man.
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Was about Ahnold going back in time to kill the first talking ape, steal his unobattanium and return to the present (future, whatever) so that the human military could use the stuff to , um, do something, whatever. Complicating things, Ahnold was gonna fall in love with Zira and learn that the apes were really hippies who were interconnected through their fur, until a gorilla got kind of gun happy. Now a time-fugitive, Ahnold settles down to ride orangutans and make chimp babies, but a bunch of robots shwo up shouting Republican slogans, and the babboons throw thier feces at the audience in amazing, 3d effects.
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Oh, yeah. Too soon?
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...he fits the profile.
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"It makes much more sense to me if they are large creatures that look like fuckin' Bigfoot. Now THAT would be some cool shit!"
I like that idea. It would be perfect for the gorilla-class of the Apes-verse, who are the thugs, soldiers, guards, and heavy lifters to the orangutan politicians and the chimpanzee scientists.Make 'em big brutish enforcers that are like 8-9 feet tall. It would be possible now with the FX technology available today. -
... is an abomination. I have no idea why it didn't make Massawyrm's 10 worst of the decade. (Aside from we are talking abour Massawyrm, here...) The makeup was amazing, but beyond that, sleepy performances, most of the "apes" seemed like they had no idea what was going on. Marky Mark was a walking snore. And that ending? Ugh. I would have forgiven the whole film if Abe Lincoln was a lizard. Heck anything but an ape. Especially the exact same ape that antagonized Marky Mark. How does that work? Boo.
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Have Willem Dafoe fill in for Heston.
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Maybe I just forgot because that film was so damn awful, but where was he?
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Jan 25, 2010 12:26:28 PM CST
I will never forgive Burton for that 're-imangling' of POTA.
by slickschlock
Why can't the Apes movies be left alone and remembered as 60's/70's classics? They are of their time and even the weaker couple of them have more social commentary & politics than most of today's sci-fi blockbuster shite. Tim should forever be ashamed of himself for that abomination of his. It's the worst shitting on my childhood anybody's ever done. No more POTA remakes PLEASE!
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Tony danza classic
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But do the actual story of it, and not flip it, keep Will Smith away from it, etc. I could go on.
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I think he should have gotten an oscar for that movie.
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Conquest is my favorite film of the series.I can see big, lumbering Bigfoot-type creatures being genetically bred to do manual labor. They are designed to not be able to think for themselves and be obediant. They have shock-collars or something to force them to obey.The guy in charge of the project is a geeky scientist type who begins to realize the moral ramifications of what he has done. Plus the military wants to use them as soldiers to fight wars or some such nonsense. Yes I realize this has all been done before, but so has Avatar!So the geeky scientist guy decides to make a brilliant leader for the Bigfoots and creates Caesar to lead them. After raising Caesar as a son and teaching him of his need to free the Bigfoots, the scientist is killed with no one else knowing of Caesar's abilities.Then the rest pretty much plays out like the original, only bloodier and more intense.So yeah, it COULD be really cool.....but it'll prolly suck. Prolly.
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...and I'm a fan of the originals. I just can't get jacked up for the Apes any longer. Seeing them overthrow the humans feels tired to me for some reason.
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That would be like trying to do a remake of The Sixth Sense, or The Crying Game.
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Jan 25, 2010 12:50:27 PM CST
Horny ape-slave onwer fucks a chimp -George W Bush is born
by hey_kobe_tell_me_how_my_ass_tastes
George W fucks more chimps and by a miracle, Caesar is born. Apes overthrow gov't - and we are all fucked. The end.
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It's "in development" for 2012, according to IMDb.
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would be a good thing. It's just due, with the way things are going these days.
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Jan 25, 2010 1:04:20 PM CST
Soylent Green: Second Helping - this supper - I mean summer
by professor_monster
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"The Republican Party was once the party of deliberation, caution, good sense and logic."
Sad but true. In fact, when Lincoln initiated the Civil War, I guess you might say that was the ultimate act of "Big Government" trumping states rights.
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implemented a lot of consumer protections and conserved a lot of land. Land that today's Republicans would probably want to bulldoze or drill.
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Lancelot Link
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Jan 25, 2010 1:12:16 PM CST
"Lincoln initiated the Civil War"? What the hell are you burning
by hey_kobe_tell_me_how_my_ass_tastes
In Hollywood? Some bad ass Hawaiian? Read a book. A history book. South started war. Lincolns election was just final straw.
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Apes have no business being in politics. Which makes an Ape Lincoln even more ridiculous.
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is if they changed what Soylent Green was since that was one of the original surprise ending twists like what M. Night Shamalanadindong tries to do with all his movies. "Soylent Green© is Baby Meat©. It's babies!"
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As proved by the career of George W. Bush.
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The original POTA was about mankind blowing itself up, leaving the world for Apes to evolve, taking over the top notch of the food chain. Mankind's failure is supposed to be all-encompassing, not some bullshit little genetics lab gone bad. Bull-fucking-shit.
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Four movies, a remake, and two TV series later, and they still haven't been able to match the original. Just stop, please?
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Is still one of the greatest Sci Fi films ever made.It all comes together ,the eccentric direction, the production design , costuming , the brillient make-ups and Goldsmiths experimental music.But the first one more or less said it all .The sequels,the tv series and that shit remake ,have been pointless.It's just adventures amongst the apes .Tim Burton's one felt more like a reimaging of the Tv series and battle for the planet , than anything else .By having the humans speak it completely wrecks the concept.and dilutes all the horror .Plus Tim seemed to think that the apes needed to agile , strong and aggressive.That was the whole point of role reversal.The apes are meant to be civilised and softened, fearing the aggressive and beastial humans.The original had very little to do with Race.It's more about mankinds , murderous, destructive streak and mistreatment of animals.
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Fox learned nothing from the success of Dark Knight - dark can still make money.
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His ending had the astronaut pulling a truck over to see an Ape driving it. There was no Ape Lincoln in it. That said, I DID get a kick out of Burton's ending bc it was so close to Boulle's in spirit.
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From what I remember of reading a script years ago , it was all very action driven and the apes wre chasing Arnold with jet packs!!!!???
it sounded like it was a bit too re-imagined
At first I was pleased to hear
that Tim B was scaling back on that sort of shit and pushing it closer to the originals ...but his one could have been a tad better
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It would be too obvious from the beginning. "Gee, who ARE these astronauts whose faces we never get to see? Hmm... Who could they POSSIBLY be?!" I agree that Burton's ending was close enough in spirit without being TOO cheesy.
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'nuff said.
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Wow is there a script floating around on the internet? I remember reading in the mid nineties how there was a strong rumour. Arnie and James Cameron were going to do an Apes film.
That on paper would have been awesome. Then at one stage Oliver Stone was interested.
That never happened.
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As long as it's in 3D, then I'm sold. If only there was some way to see EVERYTHING in 3D! Wait a minute...
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Imagine what politics JAMES CAMERON would bring to APES. I ssay give it to Jim and Schwarzenegger.
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Jan 25, 2010 2:10:19 PM CST
Actually, in many ways I prefer Burton's ideas over the book's.
by royston lodge
The execution of his movie notwithstanding, I do prefer some of his ideas to those that are in the book.
In the book, the apes aren't particularly violent or warlike. They're almost too civilized.
I liked the way that Burton tried to take real ape behaviour and anthropomorphize it - the swinging, the way they use their feet, the chest-bashing, the aggression, etc.
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only with genetic experimentation.
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Is that they should be made for TV as opposed to constantly trying to reboot a dead franchise for theatrical release. I'm sure they plan a "trilogy" or something, but essentially it's still going to be men and women under more sophisticated latex and yak hair and CGI for the long shots. The last reboot was absolute drech, they made the humans speak (one in British English for crying out loud) and then had the ridiculous Lincoln Memorial scene at the end. Dumb, dumb, disjointed, and dumb, and that was from Tim Burton, a usually visionary director. One of the worst revisionings ever. But again, it's always about the deal.
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But I didn't hate Ape Lincoln.
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Having the humans speak and the apes being very aggressive and powerful did dilute the point of the original film. The original film was about how fucked up WE are, not how fucked up ANIMALS are. I agree Burton's version screwed that up.
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Jan 25, 2010 2:42:34 PM CST
The ending of Burton's apes was its only genuine moment
by colonelfatheart
It was so batshit crazy and illogical, but it was fun. The rest of the movie, even with the good ape performances and the makeup, was a dour and formulaic slog.
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No it wasn't GREAT, but I liked it fine. Everyone was like "How the fuck did that happen?" which surprised me.It was pretty fuckin' clear that the bad monkey knew there was a pod in the swamp. He saw the chimp show up flying one.It was very well established that all the different wormholes took you to different times. So it was obvious as fuck what happened.The DVD even went so far as to draw a map with a fucking timeline for all the tards that couldn't grasp the concept.All the years later and there are STILL people that don't get it? YEESH!
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Cameron's name is being brought up in every talkback. I think half of you would give him oral sex if he asked you.
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Soylent Green is noted for its great ending, which is the only real justification for the film to be remembered. It's not a very high quality production. A big budget remake has the potential to craft a truly effective vision of an over-populated future. The hero could find out the truth half way through the film, so that it becomes more than just a shock ending, and becomes more of a conspiracy thriller, with him trying to expose the horror.
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But it looked beautiful. Especially the ape city.
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They were both just one for the studios after a couple of commercial failures.
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Just about everyone agrees that Burton's movie was bad, but despite the fact that this film has little to do with Burton's remake, he still has to complain about it in the end. He whining just to whine.
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...not to cast a piece of shit like Mark Wahlberg in the lead.
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Jan 25, 2010 3:11:01 PM CST
Why do people here have such a hard on to see this thing get mad
by hydrolith
It's a remake in an age of reboots & reimaginings no matter who is making it and just another sign that originality and creativity in the Hollywood film industry is dead.
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Jan 25, 2010 3:21:44 PM CST
They should have stuck with that script.........................
by crackerfarmboy
That sounds like it would be awesome. Leave it to Fox...
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Yes, I read it. The astronauts actually do go to another planet and when the come back, earth is inhabited by apes. Not exactly what Burton did, but the same idea. So Nahh Nahh!
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Where he lands in America during the Civil War, frees some apes from the zoos of the big city, and declares War on Humanity, where they fight back with nothing but sticks, a few futuristic ray guns, and lots and lots of poo.
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I hate every ape i see, from chimpan-A to chimpan-Z.
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LINE!
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And Clyde can show up and run around smacking humans! Then Bongo can burn Reagan in effigy and that little spider monkey from outbreak can go spit in people's mouths!
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I think you're thinking of Bonzo, dude.
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I love me some planet of the apes. When I was a young lad my parents brought me to a drive-in theater (1975) where they played all five the ape movies in a row from sundown to sunrise. It was epic, and I stayed up all night watching while my sisters slept in the back of the station wagon. Tim Burton screwed up the revival, but it's not too late to bring those awesome apes back for a proper re-boot.
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I think there were already qa couple... one in the 70's, one in the 80's.
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I know about the animated one.
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This comic series from a few years back was sadly overlooked and received little attention, but the art and story were great---and would be the perfect source material to relaunch POTA in film or TV while still keeping the property intact with the original series. I highly recommend you guys check these comics out. Sadly, I know it won't be used for the film, but it's me being wishful. And screw that shitty remake/reboot/reimagining piece of shit.
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Roddy McDowell even starred in it. Not very good however. Crappy acting, very bland scripts. Mostly it was "Hey look kids! It's the fucking ape masks again! Cool huh?" I mean, it was watchable, but it was basically a cross between The Dukes of Hazard and Land of the Lost.
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Don't remember if this went all the way back to the VHS release of the movies... but it still aggrivates me that they have the surprise ending on the COVER. Way to ruin it for anybody and their kids (and by now grandkids, etc.) who haven't seen it yet. Stupid and short-sighted. They should have gone with either new art or an original PotA one sheet for the cover. What would film lovers say if the sled (Rosebud) was on the cover of a Citizen Kane release?
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is that fucking score. It added the perfect element to the story.
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I guess I should have put a spoiler alert on my previous post. Apologies...
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Absolutely. Great score that added to the film.
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I was thinking of the OTHER ending (the epilogue?) about the two astronauts reading the diary that tells the whole story. You are correct, but so am I. So, uh, you get to stay in my will, I guess.
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"Genetic Experiments" has become the most unoriginal, cliched devise to try and legitimize something fantastic. The original had it right - the apes were slaves and to free themselves they had to evolve. Evolution is enough science for me, thanks.
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I read your standard and wrong reply. Unfortunately for you most of the things I pointed out occurred AFTER the 60s.
If you were intellectually honest enough to look you would find that the segregationists of the 60s started out as Democrats and STAYED Democrats. They did NOT magically turn into Republicans.
Even the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which supposedly established the Democrats’ bona fides on race, was passed in spite of the Democrats rather than because of them. Republican Senate Minority Leader Everett Dirksen pushed the bill through the Senate, despite the no-votes of 21 Democrats, including Gore Sr. and Robert Byrd, who remains a powerful force in the Senate today. In contrast, only four Republicans opposed the bill, mostly like Barry Goldwater on libertarian principles, not segregationist ones.
LBJ inaugurated his Great Society, which is even more ironic since nothing in the last century contributed more to “African American” woes and to the disintegration of African American families.
Indeed, the case of Sen. Byrd is instructive when it comes to the double standard applied to the two parties when it comes to race. Even those Democrats who have exploited the Lott affair acknowledge that he is no racist. Can the same be said about Sen. Byrd, who was a member of the KKK and who recently used the "n" word on national TV?
"Ah, but this is all in the past," say the Democrats. "Now we push a pro-African-American agenda." But the reality differs significantly from the claim.
Take the issue of education. The single biggest obstacle to the achievement of true equality in the United States is not poverty, but education. If Democrats sincerely wished to help the minority children on whose behalf they claim to labor, they would embrace school choice to help such children escape the trap of sub-standard schools. But that would offend the teachers’ unions upon which the Democrats depend for financial and "in-kind" support. So as has often been the case with the group politics of the Democratic party, African-American interests are sacrificed to other groups who have more pull.
"Affirmative action" has become the touchstone of Democratic racial politics. Democrats portray anyone who opposes affirmative action as racist. But affirmative action, as currently practiced, is racist to the core and a blatant betrayal of Martin Luther King's dream of a colorblind society. It is based on the assumption that African-Americans are incapable of competing with whites. It represents the kind of paternalistic racism that would have done honor to Calhoun. For the modern liberal Democratic racist as for the old-fashioned one, blacks are simply incapable of freedom. They will always need Ol’ Massa’s help. And woe be to any African-American who wanders off of the Democratic plantation. Ask Clarence Thomas, Thomas Sowell, Shelby Steele, or Ward Connerly. Although they echo the call for a "color-blind society" that once characterized the vision of Martin Luther King Jr., they are pilloried as "Uncle Toms" of "Oreos" by such enforcers of the Democratic plantation system as Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton.
If we need the perfect symbol for the true character of the Democratic Party when it comes to race, we need look no farther than Rhode Island Congressman Patrick Kennedy. Rep. Kennedy portrays himself as a friend of African-Americans. But his touching solicitude for African-Americans as a group is gross hypocrisy. When inconvenienced by a real African-American woman trying to do her job, Rep. Kennedy shoved her out of his way, giving her arm a yank for good measure. In practice, the Democratic Party as a whole cares as much about real African-Americans as Rep. Kennedy does.
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Pretty much like all of Burton's crazy endings.
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Pretty much like all of Burton's crazy endings.
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In Escape From The Planet Of The Apes, during Corneilus's interrogation by the humans he mentions reading in forbidden Ape scrolls how Apes were experimented on and the domesticated. That's why there were different from "primitive" apes.
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That's how I'm going to start every post from now on.
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there are massive assholes on BOTH sides of the aisle.
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is my standard and wrong reply.
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cast Steve Buscemi as the monkey. He's not really doing anything these days, is he? At least, until we get the inevitable Fargo reboot where he'll play the older, wiser mentor character to a cast of "hot it things" playing younger, edgier, post-Sept. 11th versions of the original characters in an alternate dimension.
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So basically, Greedo shot first?
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Nerd fight! Nerd Fight!
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So, what you're telling me is that in the Burton film, Tim Roth stole the monkey's space pod, flew through a worm hole to Earth's past, and started an ape revolution, which resulted in him being honored with the EXACT SAME STATUE as the one in the Lincoln Memorial. Really? And who were all these apes he freed? Gorillas and chimps in zoos? Some army, despite what "Project X" may have you believe. Or are you figuring that Chimp Roth took a female back with him and together they populated the earth after overthrowing humanity. Because that's just as probable (i.e. not at all) And please, don't tell me "it's a fantasy and just let yourself roll with the punches" because I will not suspend my disbelief for that poo-poo! I am willing to believe the apes evolved (and not just one species, but several species co-evolving to have human-like intelligence) but that Ape Lincoln frickin' broke the camel's back. To that movie all I have to say is: Boo!
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Better make ups, faster-paced, better shot.
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now Chernin is back on board maybe we'll get the Stone/Arnie/Hayes version where humans are dying out in the present day due to some genetic time bomb embedded in the Stone Age so they send Arnie back in time to pre history to find out WTF is going on and he finds man at war for the future of the planet with highly-evolved apes....man won the battle way back then but the apes ultimatly won the war due to this DNA thing they planted in humans
like a reverse of the 1968 film
dunno if Cameron was involved in this version or not..but i think Arnie was due to play the lead, with Stone producing and/or directing
check it out on wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planet_of_the_Apes_(2001_film)
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Fuck this. Who remakes a fucking sequel in the middle of a franchise! This would make absolutely no fucking sense! Dumb. These cunts need to watch the original Ape flicks and see how its done.
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Are you, by any chance, four years old?
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I read your standard and wrong reply.
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Are you kidding me?
This was not a very good movie. The ONLY point to the movie is the surprise ending; everything leading up to it is just bland, mediocre crap. And we all know the ending now.
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Um...why? Sorry, but Avatar didn't blow my socks off. And Cameron won't direct anything hasn't also written the script for. I read the Avatar script over the weekend and it just came across as juvenile and amateurish in places. Don't get me wrong, Cameron is great at visuals and action set pieces, but anything he's written just switches me off. My choice for Apes is Blomkamp. He'd give it the reboot to end all reboots.
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Part 4 was the second best Planet of the Appes film by far. Very dark and good turn in the series with great production. I could see this, but it would have to be a hell of an actor that can bring the charisma of roger mcdowell inn that makeup and someone who can draw the crowds. A tv series would be awesome too if done right of course.
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Live action and filmation- both awesome!
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Why don't they just re-release the originals, cleaned up & in 3D? Enough trying to reboot a classic story, it's only classic to us Nerds anyway. All the other dummies can't see the beauty in those films...No REBOOTS!!!!
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...MY DAY WILL HAVE COME AT LAST.I WILL BE AN UNCOMFORTABLY FIRM RULER AND I SHALL COMMAND YOU WITH A STINKY FIST.
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I'm pretty sure either a treatment or script was online for Cameron's version.The Jetpack business is the only bit I can remember though.This is years ago , so perhaps I've got some sort of false memory syndrome!
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"It was I who said it. But I did not say 'lousy human bastards'. I said 'lousy INhuman bastards'!"
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The apes were so close to humanity , with their society and religion etc , that Charlton Heston really shouldn't have had a problem . Humanity as such. was just carrying on through the apes.Sure he was fucked , but the ape world was only a little different from the one he'd left
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...if you haven't sen them skip this but the endings of all of them were pretty bleak. The first one, man blew himself up, the second one, they blow up the whole planet. The third one, the kindly apes were shot dead(and I remember seeing it in the theater and about shiting when the baby ape was shot), the fourth one had a bloody revolution, though had about the happiest ending of them, with the fifth having Caesar's son killed and him violating the apes don't kill other apes coda, ending with the statue of the lawgiver crying. Loved those movies and I think I enjoyed them so much I never realized how downbeat they were.
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Dark movies, sad endings...and they are still loved and thought of 40 years later. Time to get rid of this notion that American audiences can't handle downbeat endings. Those are the movies that haunt you and stick with you.
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something is dark or has a downbeat ending doesn't make it good. People love the original because it's so well-written. Actually, I'm sick to death of "dark and gritty, Post Sept. 11th" or whatever kick Hollywood has been on since 2003.
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It just goes to show HOW FUCKING STUPID movie executives can be. Here we go, and I quote... " Fox studio executive Dylan Sellers felt the script could be improved by comedy. "What if Robinson finds himself in Ape land and the Apes are trying to play baseball? But they're missing one element, like the pitcher or something." Sellers continued. "Robinson knows what they're missing and he shows them, and they all start playing."[15] Sellers refused to give up his baseball scene, and when Hayes turned in the next script, sans baseball, Sellers fired him. Dissatisfied with Sellers' decision to fire Hayes, (Phillip) Noyce left Return of the Apes in February 1995 to work on The Saint." Congrats Dylan Sellers, you are a FUCKING MORON. What have you produced since then? Nothing but shit? Well Gol-Lee, I'm surprised!
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In explaining how the producers, filmmakers, writers, etc left the project: "...a drunken Dylan Sellers crashed his car, killing a much-loved colleague and earning jail time," Well. Fuck. That's... that's sad. But it still proves that Dylan Sellers is a FUCKING MORON.
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It wasn't Cameron's treatment; it was by Sam Hamm. And boy did it suck. A probe crashes into New York harbor from Alpha Centauri with an ape astronaut dying from some sort of infection which causes a plague on Earth. This prompts a mission back to Alpha Centauri for the cure. It's all downhill from there... http://web.archive.org/web/20021216041749/http://spleenworld.com/apes/s1main. html
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Please find where I said or suggested something was good just because it had a dark ending.
And 9-11 had nothing to do with it. Dumb ass. -
"Dark movies, sad endings...and they are still loved and thought of 40 years later. Time to get rid of this notion that American audiences can't handle downbeat endings. Those are the movies that haunt you and stick with you". IE, they haunt and stick with you, and are therefore good, because they're dark.
And that's double-dumb ass on you! -
...a reflection of the times we live in. I find it fascinating that during the 80's, when there was a very real threat of nuclear war,Cameron made a Terminator movie that said 'we are not fucked, we can create our own future, we don't have to accept Armageddon (the event, not the movie). And then years later, when nuclear war wasn't an all-consuming fear, T3 gets made, which pretty much said, "nope. you're fucked. Can't avoid the unavoidable."
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Rod Serling is spinning in his grave right about now. Or worse, getting out of it! Which should give you a clue as to the procedings which are about to unfold, because this is, after all, The Twilight Zone.
At least, it has to be for this project to go forward... -
Jan 25, 2010 9:24:19 PM CST
Movies do tend to be a reflection of the time we're living in
by fa_tass_dinomolester
Which is why for the most part, the 2000's film output has been so horrible. Here's hoping we get some better material out of Hollywood in the 2010's, although this story seems to be an indication to the contrary...
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I wish I lived in ape city.
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Jan 25, 2010 9:38:17 PM CST
...DinoMolester. Yes, but crappy or hard times have often...
by flickapoo
...inspired great times for movies. 30's, 40's, 70's spring to mind right away...I'm sure you could make arguments for other periods.The fabled year of 1982 was still recessionesque I believe...
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Just passed Titanic
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The only reason to remake POTA would be to show it in it's original form, from Rod Serling's original script (which was rewritten countless times due to cost issues, etc.) If that version of the script still existed, which I doubt it does, THAT would be the only real reason to remake this film / reboot the franchise.
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And I think I can guess why they felt a little diffident about doing the project these days. People getting all over-sensitive, as it were.
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or rather SHOULD NOT.
Burton's was a fucking mess..which was a crying shame..in the hands of someone who understands the true aesthetic of the early films, this could be brilliant. -
you have no feet, and no brains to boot.
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I've never seen people get so offended by negative opinions of their favorite movie. And they are all just opinions btw, even yours.
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I've never seen people get so offended by negative opinions of their favorite movie. And they are all just opinions btw, even yours.
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..You've obviously never met AsimovLives
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Which is worse I feel. Getting pissed off at people for enjoying something rather than disliking something you like is even more lame brained. Being passionate and overly defensive of something you love, immature, but I cna understand it. Being passsionate and obsessed with some you hate just because other people like it, that's psychotic
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One thing the Burton version had going for it was hot babes! You've got Estella Warren (also of the seminal Stallone racing flick, "Driven") and Helena Bonham Carter, "aped-up," but still giving off babe vibes. Can't beat Nova, though, I suppose ...
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I'd like to see Clint Eastwood and Scarlett Johansson in a remake of the original. Sure, it would be totally wrong. Clint's too old, even for a "Space Cowboys" joint at this point. But damn, it would be compelling. I suppose we'll have to settle for a Ryan Reynolds / Ke$ha pairing, which, come to think of it, would be pretty damn horrifyingly compelling as well.
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Your right!....My brain is going.
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Haters hate I guess...
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...is where all this "reboot"/"reimagining" nonsense began. It has A LOT to answer for...
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quantize, so I have "no brain to boot" because I didn't think Avatar was the Second Coming of Christ? Not everyone liked Avatar and not everyone worships at the altar of Cameron. That does not make us haters, just expressing an opinion (which last time I checked was still legal in this country). There's a term for peeps like you - "egocentrism" or unable to register that others have a differing pespective to your own. However, only pre-school children have this. I guess it must apply to some talkbackers as well (unless you are atually a pre-school child, which would explain alot).
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Anyone who waylays a good discussion and turns it into a political rant for either side. I mean come on guys, there is enough political shit on this site as it is. There is no need to bog down talkbacks with it. Yeah I can dream..
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...he was banging all the hot, blonde, stupid pussy he could handle. He was an astronaut, and they get ALL the pussy.
In Ape-World, his only options were between banging hairy, smelly, cave-women or playing with himself.
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Jan 26, 2010 8:03:58 AM CST
Re: Not everyone who disliked Avatar is a "hater"
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
That is correct. But people who don't like something should not feel superior to those that do. Elitism is a repugnant.
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Is wrong. Why, exactly, would the run to the party that was in opposition to "The White Man's Party" (the Democrats former moniker) in almost every way.
The Republican party of today is the Republican party of Lincoln, when it comes down to it. Trying to say that after 100 years of historical hindsight proves the Republicans to have been in the right, well, they were actually Democrats . . . that is historical revisionism.Unless you're confused. The Democratic Republicans of Thomas Jefferson's era (often referred to as the Republicans, back in the 1700s, early 1800s) became today's Democratic party. The Republicans--the home of abolitionists, women's suffrage, and by-the-bootstraps individualism since the days of Lincoln--is still the Republican party, albeit the issues have changed.That being said, I can see a Planet of the Apes movie as being a metaphor for good-hearted Democrats mistakenly giving Republicans a say in national policy, and having it destroy the world.And MLK was not a Republican. That's also historical revisionism. -
has died of a heart attack. Has anyone seen this? But I cant verify it at any other site, does anyone know if this is true, or if its an example of wikipedias bad information?
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It was horrible. Period. A stupid twist that made anything good in the movie suck (which wasn't much). Mark Wahlberg, miscast. Inter species romance? WTF? Makeup? Yea it was good, but not much better than in the original. Burton's apes and his other remake abortion Charlie and the Chocolate Factory are exactly why I am NOT, in any way, looking forward to Alice In Wonderland, if anything I am dreading it. Burton & Remakes-0 for 2 (don't consider Batman a remake)
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Died of a heart attack.
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Sad news. But Cameron the film maker looks like he could do with a personal trainer, he's looking really unhealthy / borderline obese these days.
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I loved it at the time. But it did not age well. Yet I'm still excited about Alice in Wonderland. No doubt, I'll be disappointed.
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Any chance it's on the internet?
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Never was, likely never will be. There was talk about him as a potential director, when arnie was involved, but it was just that--only talk.
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was like WTF! Geez, can wikipedia put unreliable info on their pages or what?
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