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Joss Whedon Considering A Jump To Cable’s FX??
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Joss Whedon will be meeting in the next few weeks with FX president John Landgraf, presumably to talk about the possibility of mounting Whedon’s first show for cable.
“I have enormous respect for him,” Landgraf told reporters at Sunday’s FX TCA event.
FX might prove a good fit for a show from the acclaimed writer-producer-director, Oscar-nominated for his work on Pixar’s animated blockbuster “Toy Story” and Emmy-nominated for his work on The WB’s “Buffy The Vampire Slayer.” Whedon also won an Emmy last autumn for his Internet sensation “Dr. Horrible’s Sing-Along Blog.”
Whedon’s current series, Fox’s “Dollhouse,” airs its final episode a week from Friday. His upcoming MGM thriller, “The Cabin in the Woods,” wrapped principal photography last May and hits cinemas early next year.
Whedon’s other TV credits include “Angel” and “Firefly.” His follow-ups to “Toy Story” include big-screen thrillers “Speed” and “Alien Resurrection,” and he made his feature directorial debut in 2005 with Universal’s “Serenity.”
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Well hopefully some good comes from this, and at least Whedon is WANTING to stay in television. Now just give me Sorkin back.
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Buffy sucked, Firefly sucked...
Wanna know whats better than Firefly? Ice Pirates. Never heard of it?
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Joss would be more at home off-network.
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Interesting.
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Do those not make money these days? I'd think with the DVD success of a 13 episode "Firefly" run, somebody would consider getting him to do a self-contained series of 8-12 episodes and, if it was a big success, then you can always go back for a sequel series.
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I remember hearing back in the fall that he was working on a third "behind the scene of television" show, and was likely to cast from the talented pool of actors he's worked with before.
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Yeah, sounds like there's a lot of studio enthusiasm for that one.
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Jan 18, 2010 3:09:09 PM CST
Please give Whedon the writing and directing job for an X-Men mo
by judge briggs
for fuck sakes, make up for that shit movie X3.
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But at least it's not FOX!The only reason I'd be more enthusiastic with the other cable networks is money. HBO seems to have the most of it. Joss Whedon has an expensive imagination. I've been meandering through Buffy seasons again, and while it holds up pretty well, time has been very, very unkind to the special effects.I doubt he'd ever go back to Firefly again but of all his shows it's the best. I watch the half-season at least once a year. I'd like him back in space in some capacity.
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I'm glad someone picked up on the blurb about his movie. I know it takes awhile for a movie to be fully completed, but that seems like a long time for the release of "Cabin.." since it was wrapped last May.
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Elwy Yost must be spinning in his grave.
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Movies requiring a lot of effects work typically don't come out right after the conclusion of principal photography. J.J. Abrams' megahit "Star Trek," for example, starting shooting in November 2007 but didn't hit cinemas till May 2009.
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It's delayed at least in part because they're converting it to 3D.
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Yost wrote the early drafts. Whedon wrote the draft that was shot.
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Someone may want to tell him that.
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You said Star Trek started shooting in Nov. 07, but when did it WRAP principal photography, as that it what it said about CITW. Also, I would assume that Cabin in the Woods doesn't require even half the amount of effects work that Star Trek did, so it shouldn't take that long. If it already wrapped principal photography almost 9 months ago, it seems like a movie set in a cabin in the woods wouldn't need 21+ months for effects work and post. I know you have a thing for Whedon, and I liked Dollhouse and loved Firefly, but that seems way too long to just be due to effects and post-production.
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considering
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3-D conversion makes a bit more sense. Is that confirmed, or a guess, as the article Herc posted doesn't mention it.
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Shit. Well, that makes some sense. I love that movie but I hate the fucking half human half alien creature. I was pretty excited by the end.
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People forget about Speed, Alien, and the Buffy movie (although I've heard the Buffy movie wasn't really his fault). And Firefly. Sorry guys, it's great when Buffy and Willow talk like that, but from adults it's just annoying.
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I understand that it takes awhile for a movie to finish the final shots and CG, but "Cabin" can't possibly be on the scale of Star Trek. I think it would be safe to say that the studio is trying to find out what to do with it. The idea that it's taking awhile to convert to 3d makes more sense. But, I don't see this as an all-together positive sign.
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Hopefully though, it'll turn out like The Road. Long delay (almost a year, I think?), but a pretty solid movie.
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is definitely being 3D'd...and no I don't know why either
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on Waterworld!
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I could give a toss about another Buffy spinoff or Dollhouse. RE-IGNITE THE FIREFLY!
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I assume he wrote it after Toy Story, even though it opened earlier?
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Where did you get that Joss had anything to do with Speed? Nowhere on Whedon's imdb page is it listed that he had anything to do with Speed. Toy Story's on there, but not Speed. And his name is also nowhere to be found on the Speed imdb page. Where did him writing Speed come from?
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I like the guy but jesus man, he's just a writer/director. Blowing him does not cure disease.
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Jan 18, 2010 3:39:56 PM CST
So Whedon leaves his abusive husband for his husband's brother
by spyguy
I'm sure everything will turn out JUST fine.
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FX makes good shows and allows for a little more creativity. Go Whedon make some bad ass stuff to watch.
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Strong women fighting the patriarchy.
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All I want is a fast ship and a star to steer her by. Hopefully this means FOX has gotten their heads outta their asses and we're going to get a Firefly revival on the F/X network. Of course,almost all of the actors are working on other projects now,so getting the band back together may be a problem....hell,I'd settle for a Firefly animated series at this point...no FX budget and the actors could record their lines any time they were free...it worked for Star Trek....
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and airings of Die Hard.
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I think Keanu would've made a great male Buffy! I really say that with complete sincerity!
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That's the reason for delay. Was originally slated for march but it tested well and studio peeps wanted to cash in on the 3D wave.
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Fox just has DVD distribution rights.
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A gal can dream.
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Most of the principals have moved on to other, successful projects ( Castle, V, Chuck) so everyone needs to realize it's never gonna happen.
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left it at a good place to start a new series. With River finally snapping out of it and coming into her own, Zoe widowed by Wash's death, and Shepherd Book gone as well, it could be a new series aboard the Serenity. New pilot, new protection, and more Jayne (Adam Baldwin is the best working Baldwin in Hollywood and he's not even related!). Would a new series and title help him get around Fox owning Firefly?
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Sons Of Anarchy, It's Always Sunny... Archer.
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You mean last week?
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I would also love to see him do a weekly Dr. Horrible/Captain Hammer show. That could be a lot of fun.
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Once its hugely, hugely popular, tell FOX to suck it hard.
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Wow. That's the first time I learned of something that I really, actually, truly think is kick ass. Wow. I'm blown away. That's an awesome script, imo. It even made Keanu look like a bad ass. I mean, Firefly was cool, and I know people love Buffy and stuff, but I've never been obsessed with anything hes done. But Speed. That's one of my personal favorite action flicks ever. Top Ten at least. With Die Hard at number one.
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I like Whedon but that show was complete crap
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Now I'm really confused. I'm going to trust IMDB. Maybe he touched it up a bit or something. But they credit Graham Yost. Which means that is who is officially credited in history. Which means my boner for Whedon just deflated again. Who cares.
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But ya gotta give them The Shield, Its Always Sunny, Rescue Me, the first couple of seasons of Nip/Tuck, Damages..they've built a pretty decent stable of shows...
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Is really not as stupid as the one I read. I hope what I read was a fake, but I'm unsure now.
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http://en.wikip edia.or g/wiki/Speed_%281994_film%2 9 ....But who knows where that came from? Time for Joss Whedon to appeal to a small audience yet again. I'm off and on with him. Dollhouse was alright. Firefly/Serenity = fun. Buffy = No for me. Angel was fun. He's capable of writing the most trite characters ever but the story is ALWAYS better than any of their catty, pithy dialog. It seems that aside from the decade old hits Herc cited (that's not usually a good sign...), he just can't get a good, consistent viewership.
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And it wasn't very good. Those ridiculous zombie creatures were terrible.
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I do love most of what Whedon's done, and that's really all that kept me through season 1. But season two was amazing. The last 6-8 episodes were some of the best tv i've seen in a while. Was that because he knew there wasn't going to be a third season? Maybe. But I'll be sad to see it go. There was so much more going on that what he had time to tell.
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Graham Yost has said that Whedon wrote pretty much all the dialogue in Speed, but there was much conflict to be had and Whedon was not given a credit.
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Even if it's a mini series, or even a series of TV movies shot between seasons of Castle, V, and Chuck. ANYTHING! Just give us more Serenity.
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I've never cared much for anything else Whedon has done. With the exception of Toy Story, whatever little input he had on that.
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And there are almost always more writers that worked on the movie than are credited in the final release. Many big studio movies utilize at least 10-15 writers over the course of development, and some use many more than that (The Flintstones is said to have used 35 writers, even though only 3 were credited). WGA has final say over who receives credit if there are any disputes, and on Speed they decided that Joss didn't do enough work to receive credit. On the other hand, if you read Joss's earlier specs like Suspension and Afterlife, the final product of Speed feels very much like his work, so make of it what you will.
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go the scoobs
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Jan 18, 2010 4:33:55 PM CST
Same here...not a big Whedon fan,but loves me some Firefly...
by jobacca
A mini-series,animated show,spin-off....in whatever form,we need more stories set in the 'Verse...maybe someday.
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HBO and Showtime would have been better... ...but FX is close enough. Please let this be true.
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In 1997 and anticipates release of his amazing masterpiece sometime around 2023! Delays are attributed to the studio wanting to put this into the "holograms" and a "virtual reality" version! Bwahahahaha! Must be fantastic, Joss!Apparently, the new Karate Kid movie tested really well, too, but, for some crazy reason, the studio plans on going the "stupid" route and releasing the flick. Go figure.
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...Ice Pirates> Really? The movie that devoted its entire second act to eunuch and castration jokes? This is coming from someone who loves bad movies like almost no other thing...but Ice Pirates sucks (with apologies to Angelica Houston).
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As long as it's a new show, and not Dollhouse. I forced myself through this show, due to fanboy love of Buffy, Angel, Firefly, and his X-Men run. But I can't stand Eliza and her head bobs at every line. And Helo sucks his lips in after he talks and he slouches. I'm petty, but then again, the network canceled the show. So yay. Off to FX you go, Joss.
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Just watched Archer on FX. Check it out if you haven't already.
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I could've swore I read an anecdote somewhere.
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I think this will give his intelligent shows a little more room to work. A great move.
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Lol! Such a fanboy.
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Could be done onm hiatus. And besides, these aren't all hit shows that the actors are involved in. The ratings for V plummetted after the premiere. CASTLE's aren't setting the industry on fire either. But...I think more people are familiar with the actors now. Yeah, I'd settle for a mini-series, even just one film. But no animated series...those are always stilted and never really work for me.
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...unabashedly serialized and on FX will do nicely.
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...if this does come to pass (fingers crossed) I'll be expecting a little more SOA love from you in the future.
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http://tinyurl.com/ygy2dve
Unfortunatly I can't find the original link but here are some excerpts:
Alien: Ressurection - It took place in a forest ... Yes. Oh wow. That’s the first one. There were five. And it was always either “the director had a vision” or they had a budget issue. And as a script doctor I’ve been called in more than a few times, and the issue is always the same : “We want you to make the third act more exciting and cheaper.” And my response inevitably is, “The problem with the third act is the first two acts.” This response is never listened to. I usually walk away having gotten one or two jokes into a script and made some money and feeling like I am just bereft of life. It’s horrible. The exceptions were “Toy Story” and “Speed,” where they actually let me do something. In the case of “Alien : Resurrection,” they decided to spend their money in other places than going to Earth. And I just kept saying, “The reason people are here is we’re going to do the thing we’ve never done ; we’re gonna go to Earth.” But there were a lot of things that we hadn’t done that we ended up not doing because of a singular lack of vision.
But rather than go into all of the reasons why “Alien : Resurrection” is disappointing to me, I will tell you that, yes, I wrote five endings. The first one was in the forest with the flying threshing machine. The second one was in a futuristic junkyard. The third one was in a maternity ward.
And the fourth one was in the desert. Now at this point this had become about money, and I said, “You know, the desert looks like Mars. That’s not Earth ; that’s not going to give people that juice.” But I still wrote them the best ending I could that took place in the desert. And then finally they said, “Y’knowww, we just don’t think we need to go to Earth.” So I just gave them dialogue and stuff, but I don’t remember writing, “A withered, granny-lookin’ Pumkinhead-kinda-thing makes out with Ripley.” Pretty sure that stage direction never existed in any of my drafts.
Speed - The arbitration was a great sticking point with me. I’ve always just disagreed with the WGA’s policy that says you can write every line of dialogue for a movie - and they literally say this - and not deserve credit on it. Because I think that makes no sense of any kind. Writers get very protective of themselves. They’re worried that some producer will want to add a line so he can put his name on it. But what they can do is throw writers at it forever without putting their names on it because of this rule. So I actually don’t think it works for writers. It certainly didn’t work for me.
Graham Yost [who received the sole screenplay credit for “Speed”] has always been very polite to me and very sweet but he did say to me, “You would have done the same thing.” And all I could say to him at the time was, “Well, I guess we don’t know if that’s true.” Because I’d never been in his situation. Then more than a year later John Lasseter called me and said, “I want to give all the animators who worked on the story credit on ‘Toy Story.’” And I said, “Sure.” And there are entire episodes of “Buffy” that I have written every word of that my name is not on. Which is gratifying to me because it means I finally have an answer to that. Which is, “No, I wouldn’t."
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Yeah, he worked on Twister too. The link I posted above is an extensive interview about all his projects he worked on (pre-Horrible) but the formatting is teh suck. It's a good read though, if you can make it through.
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did you do on all the movies being mentioned?
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Converting? Unless something is shot in 3D then adding a false 3D effect later sounds like a bad idea. Especially since it obviously takes so long to do.
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but ratings wise it did perform as a cable channel back in the day and that gave Whedon room he needed. Whedon and F/X would be an awesome mix since F/X is one of the edgier basic cable channels. I think some classic television could come out of this union. I vote "Aye."
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When works best when he can flex his metaphorical muscles unfettered by the limits of reality. A fantasy setting with a healthy dose of magic could give him a lot of freedom...
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Well, here's hoping something interesting, thought out and supported comes out of this. Please step away from the Dushku, or at least, not make her the central linchpin to a new series. I don't hate her at all, but she can be a liability sometimes. Here's a bizarre idea, Joss should do an adaption of James Patrick Kelly's book WILDLIFE- oh, wait, it's F/X not HBO, nevermind. I'm not sure how you could pull off it off... especially with the part were a guy screws his teenage female clone- yeah, it goes there, but not graphically.
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A original bone in his body. Everything he comes up with is a rehash of someone elses idea.
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unedited (mostly) and not much chance he'll get canned due to ratings. Good news, but why does Herc's post read like a press release? And I think crediting as the writer for Speed is disingenuous considering he isn't on the screenplay. As for Alien Resurrection, it doesn't matter where it ends, the Newborn (even though it's described differently in his script) is a bad idea that cheats out the audience from seeing an Alien movie. Instead they get...that.
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although I must confess I love FX for The Shield, SoA and Sunny, it's still Whedon & Fox, that's always a recipe for disaster! Then again, FX has made alot of money on Buffy repeats, so maybe they'll let the man work
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a whedon show with a fifty bucks per episode budget
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Surely there can't be that much difference ?
In a parallel world, Josh would have refined Dollhouse, to have Echo be more like Echo near the end then the blank slate she was in the initial part of the show and put Amy Ackers in the lead. This would of course be on FX already
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Sopranos looks like dogshit. Sure does.
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well deserve and about time .
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This is the only way Joss will be able to succeed and do what he wants. To get a big budget he would have to deliver big ratings, which he can't do. If it's about the story, the budget should be able to be worked around.
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I would love to see more of it in any medium (tv, feature film or comic book). I'll admit I got into it after everything was done and gone. But I'd fully support anything new. And of course I'd love more Buffy, but I've kind of resigned myself to that never happening. Glad there's season eight (and eventually nine), though. Been some good reading there.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but as I believe FX is only a basic cable network, while there's the freedom to have some occasional swearing and nudity in your shows, that you couldn't get away with on a US broadcast network, you're still rather limited with what you can do. It's only on a premium cable network like HBO and Showtime, that you can have as much explicit language, violence and sex as you want.
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I associate FX with more mature and edgy shows than what Whedon brings to the table, especially his goofy, too-precious dialogue. For example, Whedon is the last guy who needs to have harsh language in his shows. I suppose that FX might give his show a bit more time to find its feet than Fox or a major network, but what does it say about Whedon as a professional that virtually all of his shows start off with half or even full seasons that even fans write off as inferior fluff? That said, I wish him luck - when he's on, he's on, it's just that it can take a long time for it to finally happen.
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"Epitaph One" was by far the cheapest episode of Dollhouse according to him. And the first two seasons of Buffy had practically no budget, since the WB was in its nascent years. And he did pretty well with Dr. Horrible. So I think whatever financial limitations FX imposes will be fine. I also think he'll do a lot better with 13 episode seasons than 22, but then again, just about everyone would. No one can do 22 great episodes of TV back to back. It's impossible.
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Isn't "Who shot J.R.?" in Ice Pirates? Spencer too?FX is a step up.
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FX will not allow Joss to really explore adult content. It is time for Whedon to stop hinting at adult content, and just go all the way with it, exploring sex, nudity, and explicit language, and other tabu subject matter. He can only do that on HBO and Showtime, while not having to rely on ratings so much to stay on TV!!!
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like Alan Ball did for Charlenne Harris. Mine, Swan Song, Wolf's Hour, Boy's Life...all languishing at various studios for years.
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I wonder if it will be about a teen/twentysomething girl who beats up men twice her size? And will she have a plucky best friend? Will there be a nerd with an unrequited crush? Will there be a sinister organization out to get her? Do you see a pattern here?
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...Joss Whedon always gets mentioned in the same breath as Toy Story and Speed. Both he and the ACTUAL creators of those movies will tell you, they kept nothing of consequence from his drafts. So why does he always get credited?
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that's why he hasn't kept anything on the air since the sexy-jew-killing-vampires show went away.
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..."joss whedon is only loved by chubby, aging geeks"? I mean, really, do you know every person who loves Joss Whedon? .... waiting.... No? Then shut up already. Jeez. I'm neither aging nor chubby.
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Going back to the earlier part of this thread comparing the release of Whedon's Cabin in the Woods to 2009 Star Trek, that was a bad example. Principal Photography wrapped on Star Trek at the end of March 2008 and the movie was completed to be released in December 2008 (only 7 months turn around). Paramount then decided to delay it to May 2009 due to the writer's strike limiting the studio's output.
May 2009 to January 2011 is A LONG Time....according to one of the early movie posters A Cabin in the woods was supposed to come out next month (2-5-10). Typically, horror movies have the shortest turn around times (recent example: Saw movies). The 3D conversion helps explain the delay, but I doubt it will help the box office for it. -
Various FF characters might be able to make an appearance when their schedule allows.
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Jesus fucking Christ...
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They just choose not to. Regulations on TV by the FCC cover only over the air transmission because technically the air waves are govt property. FCC does not have authority over cable only content. Since cable has to be paid for, it is implied that the subscriber has given consent for that programming to available in the home and available to kids (as opposed to over the air). Advertisers and public decency groups have the most control over cable content.
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Toy Story was great because of John Lassenter's story. It's just Wheadon fanboys that try to make this as though Toy Story was written by Wheadon. Lies! It's an artifact of WGA's weird rules that he gets the credits.
How about Titan AE and Alien Resurrection. How yeah, in that case it's the fault of evil studios or directors if it was terrible. Never Joss' fault, right??
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Whedon could open up a little more dramatically, curse a bit more, show a bit more flesh, and kick way more ass.
I hope it happens.
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just sayin. Whedon better not fuck up FX. They are way above average and Archer is awesome too. Joss just throw a lot of mid level swearing and drug addiction in (insert show name here)and you'll be alright.
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Thanks for the clarification on the delay thing.
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Jan 18, 2010 11:32:09 PM CST
Oh, and Patton Oswalt is apparently writing a Serenity comic.
by catvutt
That was in the back of the latest Buffy issue.
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Bore us to death again with some derivative, self-referential series starring Summer Glau, Amy Acker, Felicia Day or another one of his beloved pallid waifs and some huge strapping guy he wishes he was? Face it, Whedon: Buffy was your peak, you'll never top it and everything else you do will either be a poor shadow of that show or only mildly amusing (ie, Dr. Horrible, and that was due to the participation of the mighty NPH).
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Epic fail! OPEN THE NODE!!!
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Yeah Mac, but you and both know that's not what they meant by that comment. CV, glad to hear that. Haven't picked up the latest Season Eight, yet.As much as I love Buffy, Firefly is easily my favorite Whedon creation. There just isn't enough of it.I've said this before to all the Whedon haters; the passion with which you spray vitriolic insults at anybody who expresses the slightest interest in anything Whedon has done FAR outweighs the amount of "worshiping" a vast majority of us do towards the same creations. Most of us just dig his stuff. This whole church or Whedon silliness is nonsense. You people just want to feel cool because you think you proved some big point by hating on something. What you don't get is that a) it's no skin or our backs, b) we don't worship shit. So we like a Joss Whedon show or movie. Who or what is that hurting? And liking one doesn't mean we like them all. Your anger is comically misplaced.
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First, I meant you and I up above there, but you knew that, too. Second, the Vault thread is always locked at first. It makes no sense and others will have hate filled reasons for why he does it. Personally I have no clue. I'm guessing it's because he wants you to buy things, not discuss them.
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Not just on not being on network tv, but basically what didn't work with the show.
I still think he is very lucky to have got a second season compared to some other tv shows. Though probably has a lot to do with Eliza and not to do with him.
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Bring back Firefly, dammit.
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Afterall, it's the network of The Shield, Sons of Anarchy, It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia and Archer. Which means the budgets aren't network high, but you can still pull off some cool stuff with far less censorship.
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are these woods in outer space or something?
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It's trying to generate revenue for the site. You can't get newbies (which there are probably many) to be like "Hmmm! A recommendation!" and click to buy and then they scroll down to the talkbacks and it's all like "SELL OUT! LAMER!" Ain't gonna get much bucks from that. But no reason to hate, it's all about the paper chase.
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every episode of his various series.
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Seriously. He shoulda jumped to cable long ago. Looking forward to it if it happens!
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That is all.
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otherwise, i dont.
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I think it may be his best work.
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browneye.
Buffy was ok at the time, but watch it now, and by god is it awful.
Angel has fared much better because JW didnt have that mch to do with it.
Firefly/Serenity. Are pretty good, but if they had kept making the series it would have lost its charm.
Dollhouse is just bad, people keep trying to defend it, but no one has come up with a decent reason for it being good. The feew things JW used to be able to do was snappy dialouge and interesting characters, none of that in Dollhouse.
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or another cable network, but this is another fluff piece with little substance and lots of wishful thinking, even for Herc.Whedon's people just called and set up an intro lunch with Landgraf, who did profess an admiration for Joss. Nothing more, nothing less. How about a piece when there's actually something to report?
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Whedon = Awesome. FX = awesome. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN, KIDS?
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If only Joss had that kind of support for one of his projects. Oh and make something that doesn't focus on a female character, dude. That's gettin old.
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Gotta pick you up on that female character point, cos I dont really get it.
Buffy-Yes
Angel-No
Firefly-No
Dollhouse-Yes
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....cable is too mature and adulty for Joss...I rather see his dialogue work around the restrictions of basic tv, to me, thats where his creativity comes from (Spike did get head or get jacked off by an invisible Buffy)
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If FX, AMC, TNT, etc. has the same standards as HBO, Showtime, etc. why do programs start with the rating MA? I thought the rating was a government regulation.
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How bout a series based on Bishop?
Set 50 years in the future of the current X-Men timeline, dealing with the fallout from Project Wideawake.
During these past 50 years the X-Men have been hunted down, captured, enslaved and killed by Sentinels. Wars have raged across the continents with most industrial nations engaging in various wars against each other and against the Sentinels.
Their attempts failed, and soon so did their governments.
The last incarnation of the X-Men was a group of mutants being lead by Wolverine. Wolverine travelled the world with his group, allying with former foes in order to eliminate the Sentinel threat, culminating with a major battle in which Wolverines team defeated the central Sentinel known as Master Mold.
From the ashes of Project Wideawake Mr Sinister created the supremely powerful being Nimrod.
A prototype hybrid of Human and Sentinel technology that is the ultimate mutant hunter... being able to scan, process, and determine the best possible tactic against any superhuman ability presented by an enemy. He has a fully robotic body with the sentience of human test subject named Sebastion.
With this tool Sinister is able to take control of most of North America, with an aim to take over the world.
This is all the history told to Bishop by the last remaining X-Men known alive... an elderly man living in the "badlands" of Detroit Michigan who adopted the orphaned Bishop and his sister Shard as teens. He is known by locals simply as the Witness.
The Witness is later found to be a 75 year old Gambit.
Bishop works as Security Officer for the Xavier Security Agency, a group set up by Sinister to allow lesser to mildly powered mutants to self govern.
His job was to keep the peace, as well as to protect the citizens of the Detroit ghetto from the Emplates. A local predator "mistake" created by Sinister in his lab. These hellish feral mutants feed on other mutants bone marrow to stay alive, and with each person they feed... they create a new Emplate.
Bishop is forced to shoot his sister dead when she is about to be turned into an Emplate. It was her final wish while still retaining her sanity.
The show should involve trying to stop Sinister from taking over the world, but ultimately trying to go back in time to stop all of these events from happening.
At some point in the series it should become a "time travel" show.
With Bishop having a very limited ability to travel through time... just not far enough back to stop Project Wideawake.
His time jumping ability being limited to his own natural timeline, in other words... his own lifetime. So if he is 25 years old, he can only go back 25 years in to the past.
Most episodes early on should deal with the aftermath of his sisters death, the betrayal of Trevor Fitzroy, lots of dealing with Emplates, his "going rogue" and leaving the agency, fighting and then latery allying with X-23, rescuing mutants in detention... and the season finale should include a showdown with Nimrod, from which he is able to escape into the not to distant past.
Thus starting the time travel angle which would be heavily used in season 2.
Going back and forth in time in order to learn information and secrets that could help him back in his own time.
Taking a trip to the X-Mansion and finding the remains of cerebro, visiting the graves of all the fallen X-Men he had heard about in stories from the Witness.
Ultimately finding the whereabouts of an older Wolverine 20 years earlier.
Wolverine is not the same guy we remember.
No longer having any adamantium in his bones, it being ripped apart some time earlier when he was captured by the Sentinels. His his bone claws cut and reduced to nubs.
They form a plan. Wolverine is to abandon his team and go to the Alaskan wilderness in order to wait for Bishop to come find him.
Bishop goes back to his timeline and finds a defeated man, a shell of his former self, his age showing... the healing factor not as strong anymore due to the missing adamantium and the massive beatings he has endured.
And carrying the guilt of abandoning his team 20 years prior.
With the technology afforded in Bishops timeline, Forge can help Wolverine regain his previous form by reintroducing the Adamantium into his body.
But not everyone on Bishops new team is quick to take to Wolverine... they remember him as the man who quit on mutantkind 20 years ago.
But it was all part of the plan.
This whole "Wolverine" storyline should only be like a couple of episodes, a season or series finale 2 part episode or something.
He should end up battling Bastion, the human sentience of a previously defeated Nimrod who had taken human form as a new super powerful and psychotic mutant.
Defeating Bastion, but dying in the process.
Unfortunately in the meantime Sinister had amassed the sentience of vasts numbers of the most powerful mutants on earth... enough to enable him to awake the life form known only as APOCALYPSE.
The End :)
Starring
Bishop: Michael Jai White
Domino: Amy Acker
Warpath: Tahmoh Penikett
Armor: Summer Glau
Archer: Holt McCallany
Forge: Oded Fehr
Rictor: Enver Gjokaj
Recoil: Fran Kranz
Strong Guy: Nathan Jones
Guests/Recurring
Sinister: Garret Dillahunt
Cable: Nick Chinlund
Sunspot: Benjamin Bratt
Wolfsbane: Eliza Dushku
Trevor Fitzroy: Alan Tudyk
X-23: Devon Aoki
Shard: Sanaa Lathan
Fixx: Morena Baccarin -
what he should do is 12 2 hour episodes as a standalone miniseries... insta-awesomeness
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HEY HEY HEY GOODBYE!!! Joss Whedon you will be missed. By Herc, Buffywrestling and pretty much NO ONE ELSE.
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Seriously, I totally recommend it. And I thought Season 1 was great too. Just not as, uh, jolly as FIREFLY. But damn it's great, great telly. He skips around the world of genre with the glee of a kid in a whorehouse. Or something like that. And I know he's accused of making his characters all glib - but right now in Dollhouse they have stopped being glib. And with good reason.
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only an idiot would say that a whedon fan will be disappointed by him going away from fox... anyone who knows anything is aware of how desperately he needs to LEAVE FOX. the potential for him at FX is FANTASTIC news for whedon fans...
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Media Messiah said: "FX will not allow Joss to really explore adult content."Thats REDICULOUS! FX will MOST CERTAINLY allow him to 'explore adult content'
"It is time for Whedon to stop hinting at adult content, and just go all the way with it, exploring sex, nudity, and explicit language, and other tabu subject matter."Seriously, what's your obsession with nudity, sex and explicit content? You always say this stuff is necessary when it really isn't... if you want that shit just watch porn... how does a sex scene with nudity help a show or plot line any more than a sex scene without nudity? -
SMG is not the big star she thought she'd be when she split. It would prolly be harder to get Hannigan to return than SMG at this point.
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Buffy is not aging as well as it could. The last two seasons were shit anyway and only S2 which ended with the brilliant Becoming had the story telling/plot twists/charachter devolpment and choices of true greatness. More often than not Joss would do a decent gimmick episode that had no continuity whatsoever. But I always thought that was down to his sitcom background which is more about the gag line rather than it making sense.
And yeah Angel was better show due to Tim Minear and David Greenwalt. Whedons original idea was stand alone Monster/Victim of the week. It was Minear who made it about Angel's journey himself.
As for Firefly it was ok but was no where near a patch on FARSCAPE now that was a quality show.#################################BTW I read the article on another site and (although its not shown here) slightly funny how it says Ryan learned at the knee of Whedon for making the Shield.Kind of inferring that JW had a role in one of the greatest shows made. Like I said funny. The idea JW could make a charachter or had a role in one as complex and as interesting as Vic Mackey. -
Yes, they'de have to reduce the budget, but it could work?
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huge fan of buffy and angel, but the biggest problem (more with buffy than angel) is that there are kagillion apocalypses... as for a show without that problem, but still driven by an apocalypse see: SUPERNATURAL
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Go watch the episode "Out of Gas" of Firefly then come back and tell me that.
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Watch, Wont Get Fooled Again, Die Me Dichtomy, Incubus, Scratch and Sniff and Revenging Angel and a Dog With Two Bones and tell me again that Firefly is better than Farscape!! Sorry but no way Farscape rules
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Crackers Dont Matter and the fantastic The Way We WERENT.
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the concept of firefly WAS a gimmick, but it was executed MASTERFULLY -- look at veronica mars: the concept and gimmick of that show was LUDACRIS but it was so well executed. Buffy was a gimmick -- the movie even moreso... angel was a gimmick--look at the clones, same gimmick, worse executionI tried to get into farscape because people rave about it, but i just didn't get drawn in... and i couldn't get past those awful puppets.
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Absolutely atrocious. Nice to know James Cameron agrees with me.
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Misses the point of what I'm saying. He's going off to FX and into obscurity where he belongs.
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That's already more than my misogynistic mind can take.
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Misses the point of what i'm saying. He's going off to FX to create a show that joins the ranks of great shows on FX: rescue me, the shield (used to be), nip tuck (VERY adult themed) always sunny in philadelphia and the league (hilarious) and others. FX is PERFECT for whedon, and it is FAR from 'obscurity.'And also, you are a moron based upon nothing but your purpose here: bash whedon because, i don't know why, most people don't waste their time going to a message board for no other reason than to bash something which many people are currently discussing, and liking. Seriously, did whedon steal your girlfriend and then cheat on her with your mom? sure sounds like it.
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...I thought Whedon was gay...nothin wrong wit it, just assumin wit all his feministish shows
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I know it would never happen, but if any of Whedon's pre-existing characters deserved a cable series it'd be Captain Peroxide for sure.
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Whedon wouldn't stand a chance with my mom but I digress. The real point is Whedon is a hack and people always blame the network when in reality he's just not very good at making shows interesting from the beginning. They're boring for up to a whole season (see Buffy) or never get good (see Dollhouse). It's not Fox's fault that people don't want to wait a season for something interesting to happen. Other writers seem to be able to grab viewers from the very first episode (see Lost). And you're right, FX is way too good for Whedon. He's more Syfy's speed.
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it wouldn't surprise me for a second if whedon was gay. you watch his stuff an it is ALWAYS clear: he has daddy issues. big ones. he flat out ignores father characters, which is a shame, because a father/son (or daughter) relationship is always a very rich in potential convention that goes back as far as stories do.Also, the (quote)blog entries (unquote) i have read from him when they are posted here are flat out crazy... i read them and have no clue what he is trying to do... they're also as incoherent as many of media messiah's posts... they read like he is trying so very hard to make us like him... many of these 'blogs' are so out-there that i can't even finish them, as i get too frustrated with all the gibberish and poorly used sarcasm.i'm a huge fan of buffy, angel and firefly, but not AT ALL a fan of whedon the person. he's crazy, and comes off like he's compensating for some deep, emotional wound.
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All the cats are out of their bags, we got a crazy ass ride for the last few episodes. I skipped most of the season but came back for the ending and I'm not dissapointed. Dollhouse didn't work as an episodic show, but now that it's wrapping up the main story it's firing on all cilinders. Some of the revelations during the end... holy shit. Cancellation helped this show tremendously.
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Seeing as how they've raped him in the ass multiple times. Maybe he likes the abuse? Weird. Anywho, I think he would do fine with, say, an HBO show. Then he might be able to, I don't know, finish a project before it gets marginalized and/or cancelled? Ya think?
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And by "borrowed" I mean "outright stolen." But it was still a good show that never should have been canceled.
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What did you think of Avatar?
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1. The central conceit of Firefl7y was old long before Cowboy B-Bop. Hell, it had already been done plenty by the time my touchstone (Mike Resnick's awesome novels about the Inner Frontier) were published starting in the early 80s. I-Sharted, I don't always agree with RyanBraun, but man, you are some weak sauce. FX has some of the best shows going. As an insult that doesn't even chart. And you're wrong about Whedon's shows but why would I argue subjective matters of taste with someone who clearly isn't interested? Stepdaddy and Ryan...first of all, no father figures. Giles was an extraordinary father figure. They don't have to be biological to count and he was about as good as you could want. And gay? Maybe. Who knows or cares? But wanting to do stories with kick-ass female characters doesn't indicate that. Wanting to do stories with only distant, vulpine, sexually caricaturized female characters does. Seriously, read some Williams.
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For sure. Firefly was a dog. Cowboys in space? C'mon. Just plain dumb. I will never understand why some hardcore Whedonheads still toss-salad for that wretched show. Brisco County, Jr. looked like Shakespeare compared to it and at least had Bruce Campell. The movie sucked too. No more space ships, please, Joss. Stick with high school girls and the supernatural: go with your strengths.
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since person saying it totally missed the point of the show. I always saw Firefly as "Economics in space."
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first, someone said whedon is gay and i replied that i wouldn't be surprised... i'm not just throwing around accusations (especially an accusation as meaningless as someone being gay or not).OBVIOUSLY there are father FIGURES, no question about that. My point was that: where were the REAL fathers, in ANY of his shows... he ignores the actual father... his shows ignore the real fathers of hsi characters, which can make better storyline potential than a father FIGURE. there's a huge difference between meeting a mentor/father figure when you're in highschool versus being raised, or abandoned (which counts as 'daddy issues' i believe whedon has) by a real father... there are no real fathers in his stuff... thats just a fact, and you'd think that with four shows, there might be ONE real father charcter...
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...and I seem to recall, he has kids. His mother was a women's rights advocate, and he seeks to further that through his work. I believe, if I remember correctly, that his parents broke-up when he was young, and his Mom sent him to school in England at Weslayan (spelling?) where he was a school mate of Michael Bay. Speaking of Bay, he claims that he wants Transformers 3 to be more emotional, more talky, and more
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..., his Mother, producer/writer Marty (spelling?) Nixon, and, Sarah Michelle Gellar.
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likes saying gimmick a lot when he obviously has no idea what the word even means
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by your definition every show has a gimmick
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I recall interviews that Joss has done in the past about his life, his Mother, his backgrounnd in respect to his education, info on his co-workers, as well as his employees.
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Actually, most SF critics were fairly impressed with the concept behind Firefly, and a fair number of award-winning SF authors were devoted Firefly fans (Orson Scott Card was one of them). Therefore, unless you are an SF author or have a degree in literature that involves studying the aesthetic of science fiction, you can pretty much shut your ignorant pie-hole.
That said, critics found particular favor with the likelihood of a Pan-Asian-European future empire run by corporations - in fact, hell, it's happening now. The idea that terraformed worlds would function much like a "frontier" to be settled by those with the means - legal or otherwise - is a far more plausible scenario than some sort of perfectly realized interplanetary empire. The "cowboys" element is really an Americanized veneer laid over piracy/mercenary service.
In fact, the only people who think that "cowboys in space" is a dumb idea are those who think SF is defined by lasers, aliens, and a big gay-ass Stargate. -
I know, I know, no Chewy... But Jayne more than makes up for it.
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That was cancelled because FOX is home to retarded morons who kept pre-empting it for sports and showing it out of order. I have never watched farscape, so I cannot comment on it. Everyone I know who has actually watched Firefly loves it. I am willing to bet the detractors on here have not watched all of it.
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On the DVD so it was not out of order. Now it was OK not the worst show ever but hardly addictive stuff. Same with the film too. Enjoyable fluff but nothing huge or major. Compare that to Farscape and there is no comparison. Farscape blew it away on every front.
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if his body didn't have to deal with the adamantium covering his bones? I like the idea of a stand alone Bishop series though, along with a limit being placed on the time travel. I'd love to see a superhero show that, you know, doesn't suck. It's just difficult for me to imagine Whedon doing genre stuff that's not aimed at 17 year old girls though.
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I don't know what gimmick means? 1. an ingenious or novel device, scheme, or stratagem, esp. one designed to attract attention or increase appeal.
2. a concealed, usually devious aspect or feature of something, as a plan or deal: (An offer that good must have a gimmick in it somewhere.)what one person thinks of something as a 'gimmick' another person might consdier it 'concept' or 'premise' one person may find extremely original, like a vampire story, another person sees it and considers it a ripoff. gimmick has as much to do with ones familiarity of the concept or premise of something and another person who is late to the game and unfamiliar with a topic. -
Some people never get kicked out of Hollyweird.
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Jan 20, 2010 6:09:40 PM CST
Thats why a character like Domino would be heavily featured.
by dailysportspages
Thats why a character like Domino would be heavily featured.
Thats his "buffy" type character.
As far as Wolverine and his healing factor... the explanation would be that the way his metal was a very traumatic experience that his body was never able to fully recover from.
Not just because they removed the metal, but the experimentation they did on him before, during, and after the process.
I would write it as Wolverine having been captured by Sinister early on and used in a number of genetic experiments.
In fact part of Wolverines "motivation" is that Sinister was able to use his genetic material to make other mutants who could survive the adamantium grafting process.
Leading to any number of storylines dealing with henchmen of Sinister who then helped terrorize and kill human and mutant kind. Making Wolverine in a way feel partially responsible.
Omega Red or the cybernetic Reavers... could be explained as being made with genetic material gained from experimentation on Wolverine.
Hell, just rewrite X-23 as being made by Sinister using Wolverines genetics and metal. X-23 being the person who eventually kills someone important to Wolverine, possibly Xavier.
Have Wolverine be slightly depowered due to his healing factor being pushed to the brink... needing decades to fully recover.
And you know, it would be a nice wrinkle to say that as the years go on... that Wolverine does age.
Not only his looks age, but like most people that age, their physical abilities and skills diminish.
So as he gets older, his healing factor isnt as great as it used to be. He needs more time to recover, his injuries do more damage, and he gets injured more because without adamantium his bones are no longer as strong.
Old Man Logan would then probably be around 160-170 year old.
Which if you say that he ages at 1/3rd the normal human rate... would make him a man in his late 50's.
Makes him around 18 at WW2, mid-late twenties during Vietnam, etc...
Oh and then the possibility of a Mel Gibson Wolverine is made a reality! Damn, too bad its a TV show and not a movie. And too bad none of this would ever happen anyway :)
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Joss Whedon may push feminism and female characters, but based on his casting record, he ain't gay. Not by a long shot.
He's cast more ridiculously hot women in his shows than almost any other writer/director out there. "Firefly" alone gave us Gina Torres, Summer Glau, Morena Baccarin, Jewel Staite, and (gulp) Christina freakin' Hendricks, the hottest woman I've ever seen on television in my life. Whedon cast Hendricks as a memorably devious character while also keeping her eye-popping curves nicely on display.
A gay guy probably wouldn't have done this. He might've, I suppose, but Whedon seems to go out of his way to find cuties of many body types. It's refreshing, actually. He prefers smart, talented actresses who exude cuteness.
Buffy wasn't "hot" the way some of his actresses have been, but that show also had Charisma Carpenter, Eliza Dushku, Julie Benz, and Alyson Hannigan, among others. Not bad at all in the pulchritude department.
I'll be interested to see what happens if he gets the gig on FX. -
.......where he'll soon find out that cancellation after one season tastes just the same on cable as it does on Network TV.
Should be fun seeing Herc mercilessly pimp whatever new turd show Whedon craps out there next on F/X, here on Coaxial and futilely build up the hopes of all the Whedonista fanboys here on AICN only to have them brutally crushed by F/X when they inevitably eventually do cancel it.
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......it's just gheeeey. and incredibly lame, contrived, and....um...oh yeah, idiotic.
But dumb it certainly is not. It's good for a laugh?
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I do not think it means what you think it means.How many shows has he made?
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Will be his first.
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FX makes sense and even though it's still Fox owned, they follow their own game plan. Off network is best for him and he can have his freedom and not need to worry about pulling network sized ratings to stay on the air. The ratings he gets from his core fan-base would be enough to stay on, probably.
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Looks like Cameron has finally returned to the brilliance he displayed on ALIENS (one of my top ten all time faves). I still think Aliens is the better film, but I loved Avatar. I'd say his best films are:
1. ALIENS
2. AVATAR
3. TERMINATOR
Everything else he made ranged from well-intentioned, but ultimately failed crap (Abyss) to mind-numbingly awful/hilariously bad (T2, Titanic).
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