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To KICK-ASS or not KICK-ASS, Massawyrm thinks that is the question!

Hola all. Massawyrm here. Yes, KICK-ASS truly lives up to its name. In what is easily Matthew Vaughn’s best work to date as well as one of the top 5 comic book movies of all time, KICK-ASS sets out to deconstruct standard comic book conventions and conceits in a hilarious manner while also delivering one hell of a fun action ride that lives up to everything you expect from those very same conventions and conceits. It is a brilliantly original concept that seems so simple and easy you wonder why no one has ever pulled it off before. But here it is, in all its glory, delivering ass beating after ass beating in a glorious brutality that comes with everything Matthew Vaughn does best. The most admirable thing about KICK-ASS is that it is entirely Vaughn’s baby. He approached comic writer Mark Millar, negotiated the rights for his independently produced comic and raised the money himself. Made on an incredibly small budget for a comic book movie, it is a film that can afford the R rating it has and uses it to its fullest extent without ever slipping into crass exploitation. Bloody, brazen and wrong on so many levels, it is a film that will resonate immediately with fans, and one that never feels like it was the product of any kind of meddling. Loaded with wonderful, interesting characters, the film hits all of the requisite emotional beats while also proving to be every bit as bloody and raw as a film like this should be. Focusing upon Dave Lizewski - your typical, run of the mill, everyday invisible geek – we see the roots of an origin story take place. Set in a world without superpowers but very aware of comic books, this young kid wonders aloud why no one has ever donned a cape and cowl and set out to fight injustice. So he does. And proceeds to learn why no one else has. Meanwhile, a crime fighting father/daughter duo are making mincemeat out of the local mob scene, and our hero – under the pseudonym Kick-Ass – gets caught up in the mess and finds himself in WAY over his head. What works best is that while Vaughn definitely slips into a cinematic, John Woo-like pseudo-reality while playing around with some fairly ridiculous elements, he keeps it grounded enough in reality to allow us to buy it as a legitimate story. This isn’t SHOOT ‘EM UP which satirizes its subject and takes it completely over the top to cartoonish levels. It gets a lot of its power and humor from the fact that these characters need to deal with very real problems. Like being a teenage boy or a prepubescent girl. Most appealing about this film however (on a number of levels, unfortunately) is the wildly iconic character HIT-GIRL. Not your typical run of the mill 9 to 11 yr old (the film is never quite clear) Hit-Girl is the daughter of a cop turned vigilante Big Daddy. Trained in all form of close combat, marksmanship and knife throwing, Hit-Girl is fun, hilarious and seriously bad ass. Her outfit is a playful mix of comic book hero and school girl, making for a very feminine ass kicker. But it also makes for a marginally fetishized underage heroine in the same vein as Natalie Portman in THE PROFESSIONAL; possibly inspiring more than a few costumes and a handful of loathsome age-countdown counters. I have a feeling this is going to be a very popular character that makes both a positive and a negative impact on the geek scene. Which is to say that Vaughn and Millar’s sin was making her a little too awesome. Not exactly the worst complaint you can make, but more than any other element will draw fire from conservative audiences and social critics – as we’re already seeing in part as a reaction to the trailers. The film is relatively flawless. We saw a mostly finished film with temp music that still included a number of musical cues from the Warner Brothers catalog – including a number of cues from THE DARK KNIGHT – so I’m very curious to see how the final score plays with the film. The rest of the film was made of an iPod’s worth of pop music and a goodly chunk of The Prodigy’s latest album, INVADERS MUST DIE. Vaughn uses the music perfectly to punctuate whatever action he has going on and that moment is an incredible ramp up to some serious ass kicking. At one moment, the audience burst into clapping along with Guns & Roses NOVEMBER RAIN – a once in a lifetime event to be sure; I mean come on, that’s not going to happen again in an ordinary theater – but it does serve to highlight the level of energy in the moment. There’s little doubt that left in there it will create what might be the movie’s iconic, ass beating sequence. More than anything this film is fun. It is a hilarious, action packed good time that just might become a modern classic in its own right. Bloody, wicked and intense, KICK-ASS is an experience I cannot wait to repeat. This comes HIGHLY RECOMMENDED and has a good chance of making a reappearance on my end of the year very best of 2010 list. See this at your earliest opportunity. Until next time friends, smoke ‘em if ya got ‘em. Massawyrm
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  • Jan. 18, 2010, 10:53 a.m. CST

    Ass kicked

    by Lone Fox

    Been supporting the comic since day one, and everyone involved with this project has really shown commitment to it, financing and such. The only film I care to see this year. Love the exploitation movie feel to some scenes, camera work is great.

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 10:53 a.m. CST

    How cut will the movie be in theaters?

    by SoylentMean

    That's the fuckin' question.

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 10:56 a.m. CST

    I like Matthew Vaughn

    by blackwood

    but honestly, the previews sort of leave me cold. I'm sure it's a capable film that skewers it's target accurately, but I'm tired of superheroes - and just as tired of their deconstruction, too. I'm sure it's clever and violent but so far it doesn't seem like it does anything to add to the discourse.

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 10:56 a.m. CST

    I know a guy that saw it last month

    by xmanse

    He said it was amazing. Kind of worried in the UK about the dreaded Daily Mail newspaper. They love getting a crowd together to hate something they haven't seen.

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 11 a.m. CST

    I hear the comic sucks....?

    by Darth Macchio

    Cause I love the idea and would love to read the GN first; altho I hear it's still in publication rounds and not in a GN yet, yes?<p>But does the comic suck?

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 11:01 a.m. CST

    Nice...

    by Zahaladeen

    ...I actually can't wait for this to come out.

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 11:01 a.m. CST

    Awesome!

    by Fisher209

    Pleased It doesn't suck

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 11:14 a.m. CST

    Natalie Portman in the Professional.....

    by theycallmemrtibbs

    was wrong on sooooo many levels.

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 11:14 a.m. CST

    Cool Massa

    by bobbofatz

    But this flick has been pimped out by this site. Kind of like Watchmen. Watchmen was ok, so hpfly this will at least be average or better.

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 11:17 a.m. CST

    Okay, did Defendor, Super, and Kick Ass all get the green light

    by heavenlykid

    It definitely feels like Kick Ass is the one to watch, but those other two, with variations on the same premise, all popped up at the same time. Is it a Zeitgiest thing?

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 11:17 a.m. CST

    Can't wait

    by DanboJohnJ

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 11:18 a.m. CST

    Massa - Another awesome article...

    by spud mcspud

    ...And I'm glad it ain't just me who thinks Hit Girl is just the wrong side of too awesome. At the end of the day, you're looking at a 12-year old girl, and no matter how cool it is that she gets to call a bunch of guys "cunts" and then proceeds tokill 'em all, she's still only 12 years old. And what REALLY creeps me out is that you're RIGHT: age-countdown counters will be everywhere after this movie - and that's just too creepy to contemplate. I'd have DEFINITELY dialled down the Lolita aspects of this character if it were MY movie.<P> That said...<P> KICK-ASS does look kick-ass. The fights are awesome, the sense of humour is pitch-black, and I LOVE the way the trailers are pitched - just where a movie like this needs to be. One thing though: you're not shooting down SHOOT 'EM UP, are you? Yeah, it's not CRANK (though far superior to the trying-too-hard CRANK 2: HIGH VOLTAGE) but it IS fun, and come on - isn't Giamatti some fucking fun as the bad guy? Plus, you got Clive Owen doing his thing, which in this century is no bad thing.<P> So, yeah, love the article - you're the MAN in these parts, let no Talkbacker tell you different - and I too hope to see NOVEMBER RAIN in this movie. Sounds fucking awesome.

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 11:20 a.m. CST

    heavenlykid

    by spud mcspud

    DEFENDOR has Woody Harrelson being slightly mental as a superhero wannabe, and Kat Dennings as a prostitute. Hence, my ass in a seat. It'll be great.<P> When the fuck is SPECIAL, with Michael Rapaport, out on DVD? Gots to see THAT movie!!

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 11:20 a.m. CST

    Blackwood. Tired of Superheroes?

    by Banshee7

    When I hear people say this, I wonder, are you tired of movies and tv shows about cops, doctors, lawyers, high school kids, etc?<P>The reason I ask is because 90% of stuff out there revolves around those people. Superheroes make up a very small portion of what's available.

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 11:22 a.m. CST

    SPECIAL

    by Jarek

    Is a very good movie. It's already on DVD, go to Amazon.

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 11:22 a.m. CST

    give vaughn spider-man

    by spider_neil

    he is desparate to make it, he said so himself

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 11:25 a.m. CST

    "will draw fire from conservative audiences"

    by Immortal_Fish

    Oh, please. Yeah, the usual talking heads will do what they usually do. But it's one helluva stretch to claim that the fire will come exclusively from conservative audiences.<P>First of all, I'm a conservative and I cannot wait to see this. Wyrm is allegedly conservative and he enjoyed it. Last, AICN is the most liberal (while not expressly political) website that I frequent and I've read way more complaints here than anywhere else comined. The last TB was flush with hysteria over a character claiming that she "loved" the 11-year-old Hit Girl. And there have been numerous complaints here about her language too.<P>There will be just as many complaints in Plano TX as there will be in Cambridge MA.

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 11:25 a.m. CST

    Was that supposed to be a review?

    by maliswan

    Don't get me wrong, I dig your enthusiasm - But seriously, you put some heavy praise in there with little else. One of the top 5 comic book films of all time? Alright, I'll bite - But WHY? What's the standard? What did it better?

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 11:26 a.m. CST

    Boner for Hit Girl?

    by wintocha67

    There I said it! Assume the position.

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 11:29 a.m. CST

    Cheers Jarek

    by spud mcspud

    Am peeking as we speak...

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 11:32 a.m. CST

    KICK-ASS...the comic

    by THE TRUE PINBACK

    The comic KICK-ASS is a helluva lotta fun...except for the fact tht Mark Millar and John Romita Jr. can't seem to keep it coming out on a regular basis. As each issue comes out, it falls further and further behind schedule. I am beginning to wonder if the completed version will be out before the movie is released. This seems to be the cardinal sin of modern comics. They can't stay on schedule. I long for the days of Jack Kirby, who kept a number of titles coming out MONTHLY. But then again, I'm not sure If Kirby and his ilk would have touched something like this with a ten-foot-pole. The times, they are a-changin'!

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 11:35 a.m. CST

    and Super, Want to see Super.

    by heavenlykid

    I know nothing about it except it's the same sort of premise as Kick Ass and Ellen Page is in it.

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 11:39 a.m. CST

    What the hell is wrong with everyone?

    by Blitzkrieg

    Hate to rain on the collective parade here, but the hyperbole must end. I saw this lil’ flick a few months back and it's quirky and funny and weird and boasts several pulse-pounding action sequences, but come on. "One of the top 5 comic book movies of all time"? "Relatively flawless"? A previous reader review even called it "by far the best comic book movie I have ever seen.” The notion that this film might be, for one moment, anywhere near approaching even the outermost borders of any of these claims is patently absurd. For two very specific reasons that, inexplicably, no one is talking about. The first is a sort of radical tonal shift that takes place thirty or forty minutes in. Funny enough, this problem might be lessened by the time the movie hits theaters simply because audience expectations will be adequately adjusted by the quasi-spoilery ad campaign. Knowing next to nothing going in, however, the movie very much presents itself as a “how would these events go down in the real world?” superhero movie. You know, WATCHMEN, DARK KNIGHT, UNBREAKABLE, like that: still not exactly plausible, but more or less technically possible. We meet our geeky hero, see him online ordering a costume, see him not knowing any real thing about crimefighting, etc. We’re also meeting our supporting players and thinking that Kickass himself will eventually have to go head to head with mafia boss Lord Blackwood. Then comes the scene where Kickass goes to a scary crack den sort of place to tell thugs to lay off his girl and it turns really horrifying and sort of like TRAINING DAY when they have Ethan Hawke in the bathtub, and then… Hit Girl arrives. Yeah, fan favorite, I know. We’ve set her up: she’s the eleven-year-old daughter of oddball Travis Bickle guy played by Nicholas Cage, doing, oddly enough, his best screen performance since, hell, I dunno, ADAPTATION? LORD OF WAR? Okay, fine, you’re right, BAD LEIUTENANT, but nobody saw that. So preadolescent Hit Girl arrives and the movie suddenly takes a very sharp turn into MATRIX/CHARLIE’S ANGELS-style, completely awesome, completely-freaking-impossible-in-any-version-of-the-real-world action. Think if Angelina Jolie’s character from WANTED showed up a good forty or so minutes into UNBREAKABLE and you’ll start to get what I’m talking about. And as you may have seen in the online clip, she also calls the bunch of bad guys “cunts,” because, I’m assuming, nobody ever told Matthew Vaughn that Americans don’t use the c-word as a male derogative: that’s very much a UK thing. Is the ensuing action awesome and cheer-inducing? Yep. But it’s also completely off the wall and we’ve suddenly found ourselves in a different movie, which leads us into problem number two. Our protagonist is, far and away, the least interesting thing in the movie. And I’m not talking about the usual “Bruce Wayne is boring, when’s he gonna put the costume on?” complaint, I mean that Kickass himself, his alter-ego, and the actor playing him are an unholy trinity of beige bland oatmeal black holeness. In fairness, this might not have been the case had the above issue not been present, but once you introduce a bunch of people with inexplicable CROUCHING TIGER powers into a SEX DRIVE/FANBOYS sort of universe, you’re naturally enough gonna wanna spend more time with the people who can, you know, do stuff. Because Kickass is totally normal. And not normal in any particularly charming or idiosyncratic or clever I’m-going-to-turn-my-normalcy-to-my-advantage-in-this-suddenly-crazy-world sort of fashion. Maybe if this was a PIXAR movie, but it ain’t. He has a cute love interest and some high-larious best friends in addition to the organized crime people and Mark Strong and his spoiled but well meaning son McLovin who eventually (spoiler!) gets his own costume and Nic Cage and Hit Girl and basically all of them are a hundred times more interesting than our “main” character or his useless alter-ego. Problematic, like I say. But... there is good stuff as well. Nic Cage, man. Fucking Nic Cage. I wish he’d do these weird, supporting roles more often. I don’t know how they got him to do this one. Maybe he had two free weeks between all his really overpaid, really terrible other movies. His character is at once awkward, goofy, sympathetic, and real. He adopts this really bizarre Shatner/Walken vocal cadence when he’s in costume that nobody ever comments on, and for some reason adds a fake Fu Manchu to his existing moustache as part of his suiting up ritual. Really strange and fantastic. Also, through his character, we get the first ever onscreen acknowledgment that you need to paint your eyelids and stuff black for one of those superhero cowl/mask things to correctly scan visually in live action. But I do have to note, the folks who balk at the WANTED-style romanticized/glorified hyper-violence are not going to be won over by anything here). McLovin does his thing and is funny if a bit underused, but he’ll probably do more if a sequel happens. Oh, and Jason Flemyng is in this for some reason, and has about four lines in two scenes. Maybe him and Vaughan are buddies or something. Must be. So, yes, to conclude, awesome but rather conspicuously flawed. And it's time people started acknowledging that.

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 11:42 a.m. CST

    The hype here worries me...

    by Human_Bean_Juice_

    Just does.

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 11:49 a.m. CST

    Banshee7

    by blackwood

    It's neither here nor there. Being tired of superheroes can exist independently of anything else I like or dislike.<p>But for the record, yes, I am also very tired of lawyers, doctors, cops and teenagers - maybe more-so than superheroes, but only because, as you've said, 90% of everything is about those people.<p>KICK-ASS doesn't appear to do anything that WATCHMEN didn't do, except maybe be funny and less boring and self-involved. And it's not that every superhero film needs to 'do' something (besides tell a good story and be entertaining), but I have superhero fatigue. What used to be intriguing to me about superheroes has ceased to be. Maybe because I'm tired of origins. Or how hard it is to be a superhero but also have a normal life. Every single superhero film deals with this last bit - human problems vs. superhuman responsibility. I don't care anymore.<p>Not trying to sway anyone's mind on KICK-ASS - just trying to express why it doesn't do it for me.

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 11:57 a.m. CST

    massa is the best on here

    by Ashs_Right_Hand

    by far the most reliable reviewer

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 11:58 a.m. CST

    There was one mutant in the world of KICK-ASS

    by Squashua

    At least in the comic book universe, according to Mark Millar's "MARVEL: 1985" series, which is purported to take place in the same universe as "KICK-ASS".

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 12:15 p.m. CST

    i'm there..

    by torpedoboy

    ...have been since the first trailer. I'm SOOOO there.

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 12:17 p.m. CST

    "The film is relatively flawless"

    by zoothorn21

    What the bloody hell is that supposed to mean?

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 12:20 p.m. CST

    Shitty headline

    by detectivesoap

    Makes you think it's an actual decision you deliberated hard over. Just saying. Massa you are my fave though, and I will be there day one for this movie.

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 12:21 p.m. CST

    O look a comic book movie, awesome

    by UGG

    haven't seen one of these for years.

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 12:21 p.m. CST

    Cunts

    by schadenfreudian

    I use that word to describe guys all the time. <P> A cunt's a cunt.

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 12:21 p.m. CST

    Blackwood

    by Pants_McCracky

    I feel the same way. And following up with what Banshee7 said about cops, lawyers, etc., I wonder if the problem with the superhero genre right now (by this I mean on TV/film) is that it's still a pretty undeveloped genre compared to the cop/lawyer/doctor genres. I don't think we've yet seen the superhero equivalent of "The Wire." Maybe we never will. Pretty much all the superhero TV shows and flicks I've seen have all dealt with the same kinds of primary-color themes. But what that says to me is that the superhero story hasn't yet reached the point where people en masse are clamoring for more complex, nuanced ideas. On the other hand, The Dark Knight comes pretty close. Watchmen does, too. Maybe we're right up on the cusp of the next major step in the evolution of the genre.

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 12:21 p.m. CST

    No, Darth Machio, the comic is great

    by MARCEL_THE_NEGRO_PROJECTIONIST

    I personally don't get the knee jerk loathing of Mark Millar's work almost universally amongst the fanboys of this and other sites. It seems to me when something breakthrough and interesting comes along, they either don't get it or immediately hate it. btw, no, it's not in a graphic novel yet because the series has yet to finish playing out. This is because it's an independently produced book distributed by Marvel. Meaning that they assign a colorist to the book only after all their other big money books have been rendered, meaning that Kick Ass is often relegated to end of the breadline.

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 12:31 p.m. CST

    Is KICK-ASS as boring and predicable as avatar?

    by Trannyformers_Apologist

    ?

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 12:36 p.m. CST

    zoothorn21

    by Massawyrm 1

    It means we watched an unfinished rough cut which will require a tad bit of clean up - but at this time there are zero complaints.

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 12:40 p.m. CST

    @Pants_McCracky

    by blackwood

    Right on. The Dark Knight did a lot of things right - primarily, it wasn't a superhero film, it was a crime drama with superheroes in. Again, it's not that I think every superhero film/deconstruction of needs to be something specific, but the basic premise and what's being done with it doesn't push my buttons like it used to.

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 12:40 p.m. CST

    WTF is The Professional? Do you mean Leon???

    by Drsambeckett1984

    ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 12:45 p.m. CST

    The only thing more predictable than Avatar

    by A G

    is the fucking calendar sitting on my wall. Tomorrow is Tuesday, bet on it.

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 12:48 p.m. CST

    GREAT FUCKING ANALYSIS, BLITZKRIEG!

    by MARCEL_THE_NEGRO_PROJECTIONIST

    Spot on and extremely well written. However, I disagree with you that the tonal shift in the film cripples it. Because that's exactly the way the comic book plays it out. The first one or two issues has ordinary Dave Lizewski trying, and relatively failing, to be a superhero, followed by the, as you so appropriately named it, the very Training Day-esque sequence in which (SPOILERS) Hit Girl comes to the rescue, and in very Angelina Jolie via WANTED fashion, dispatches of the cunts making short work of Dave. Genius analogy, btw, regarding Angelina's super assassin suddenly popping up in UNBREAKABLE. But that's exactly the point Millar and Vaughn are making here. That there's a valley-sized gulf between Dave Lizewski's fantasies of being a superhero, and actually becoming one. He meets the real deal out in the real world, and it ain't pretty -- though, as Massawrym rightly perceives, a loathesome number of legal-age countdown sites that will inevitably spring up will obviously disagree. <p> Matthew Vaughn is a good judge of material, and he saw in Kick Ass the potential not only for an audience pleaser, but for a vehicle to carry a shit load of social commentary along with it. He recognized brilliance when he saw it. Which is why he poured millions of his own moolah into this passion project. <p> I've only read the comicbook and the script, but I'm dying to see the film now. <p> "Who are you?!" <p> "I'm Hit Girl." <p> Brilliant.

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 1:06 p.m. CST

    Don't get me wrong...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...because I'm fairly excited to see this movie. From everything I've seen so far it seems extremely likely that I'll really like it... <p> ...but... <p> That review reads like it was written while someone involved in the production was holding a gun to your head.

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 1:13 p.m. CST

    It WAS done before...

    by Prometeo

    It's called 'Mirageman' ;)

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 1:16 p.m. CST

    give vaughn aids

    by Waka_Flocka_Flame

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 1:21 p.m. CST

    the movie SPECIAL is out on dvd

    by idrinkyourmilkshake

    it came out a bit ago...its at blockbuster.Saw it 2 months ago, it was "meh."

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 1:21 p.m. CST

    Avatar is one of the best movies of the year...

    by TheWaqman

    and please you fucking cunts. Don't tell me you didn't find District 9 or The Hurt Locker predictable at all "OMGZ IS THIS GUY GONNA DIE FROM A BOMB? WILL THEY FUCKING MAKE IT BACK HOME?" Of course he won't and count on it.

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 1:22 p.m. CST

    original????

    by brabon300

    im sorry, but millar took the watchmen concept and removed all of the subtext

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 1:27 p.m. CST

    Never had a hard on for a 12 year old, Portman included

    by solanine

    But then again, I'm not a creepy, pedophilic geek getting wood over a little girl in a purple wig. Seriously, if any of you weirdos have any kind of sexual thoughts about a little girl in a costume, I pray you don't ever go outside on Halloween.

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 1:27 p.m. CST

    Isn't it a little early for advanced reviews?

    by Bruce of all Trades

    This movie doesn't come out for another 3 months.

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 1:32 p.m. CST

    Waqman

    by solanine

    Having known about the same amount going into both films, I was way more surprised with where District 9 went. It was never really mentioned in the trailers Wikkus starts turning into a prawn. That in itself was less predictable than anything Avatar could muster. If you couldn't see every beat laid out within the first ten minutes of that film, you clearly don't see many movies.

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 1:36 p.m. CST

    Really? You were surprised he turned into a prawn?

    by TheWaqman

    That shot in the trailer after he gets sprayed didn't really resonate with you at all? You couldn't make the connection? And you didn't predict that he would then sympathize with the same aliens he was being a dick too later? I fucking called it in the first 20 minutes. Oh that's double the 10 minutes of Avatar, you win. It HAS TO BE better and less predictable because of that....<p> Wanker.

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 1:44 p.m. CST

    If you're worried about the "response" to Hit Girl...

    by I Hope You Die

    ...chances are you had your own "response" and that's guilt you're feeling, not concern.

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 1:49 p.m. CST

    Does Hit Girl actually turn people on?

    by MattmanReturns

    I don't get it. I don't think her costume is sexy, nor am I attracted to a 12 year old. I think she's funny because she's a little girl killing the shit out of people. The actress is cute but not in THAT way. Are people actually getting boners watching her?

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 1:50 p.m. CST

    Well said solanine

    by oisin5199_

    That's the best way to put it. There's nothing wrong with watching that Hit Girl trailer and thinking "OMG, a little death dealing girl! OMFG! This might be awesome!" There is only going to be a problem if someone looks at that girl sexually. If there's anyone out there who does, those are the people who need to seek help immediately. <p> And for the record, a movie is not going to create a pedophile. Sickos are going to be sick no matter what. People better figure that out right now.

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 1:57 p.m. CST

    sounds good

    by nightmute

    I enjoyed Vaughn's Layer Cake, where Daniel Craig proved to be an obvious choice for Bond. Perhaps Kick-Ass will hit the right note with audiences where, unfortunately, that other recent deconstruction of comic book heroes, Watchmen, did not. Actually, Watchmen in 3D would have been amazing. That title sequence already has a kind of 3D feel to it, although maybe a 3D blue penis would have been a bit too hard for an audience to, um, swallow.

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 1:58 p.m. CST

    MattmanReturns: I didn't realize she was so young when . . .

    by Royston Lodge

    . . . I first saw the character in costume. Then I saw the clip of her and her daddy in the diner.<p> IMHO, the Hit Girl costume really hides her age.

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 2 p.m. CST

    Thanks Marcel!

    by Darth Macchio

    I was both kinda expecting that to be the truth as well as just hoping it would be! I love the concept and will most definitely get the cb's as soon as I can! Been looking forward to the fliq since I saw the first trailers and pix...

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 2:02 p.m. CST

    Shoot-em-up

    by Maceox

    Did not satirize anything. Satire is humor derived from ridicule to change society. Shoot em Up was a parody or a caricature of an action movie. Your Welcome.

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 2:22 p.m. CST

    I just want issue 8 to come out goddamnit!!!

    by Tall_Boy66

    Marvel dot com says it's out in a month but it's been almost out for a month for months now. It would quite suck if I had to see the ending by paying my ticket.

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 2:28 p.m. CST

    Hey Maceox

    by Chop110

    Thanks for the english lesson... However, you should know that you really lose credibility as an enlightened educator when you mix up "your" and "you're". ht tp://w ww.copyblogger.c om/5-common-mistakes-that-make-you-look-dumb/ This has been a public service announcement, citizens... You're welcome.

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 2:47 p.m. CST

    yes yes yes yes

    by viranth

    I was hoping this movie would be good, and it seems like it is even better. Music from the prodigy to make violence more cool? Whatever it takes, I will see that on opening day!

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 2:58 p.m. CST

    Hey nightmute

    by MorganLeafy

    I didn’t find the blue penis hard to swallow. I found the people getting burnt by oil and getting their arms sawn off hard to swallow. There must be something wrong with me.

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 3:02 p.m. CST

    Guns N' Fuckin' Roses!

    by 11dayempire

    They'd better leave that track in there.

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 3:04 p.m. CST

    this flick must be close to what i suppose QT would do.

    by future help

    If Quentin was to ever write/direct a Superhero movie.

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 3:08 p.m. CST

    Kick-Ass will be THE Protest Movie of 2010...

    by ZoeFan

    When this movie hits the radar of groups like the PTC and commentators like Bill O'Reilly (who I like, but I have to be honest), LOOK OUT!

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 3:15 p.m. CST

    No it won

    by Royston Lodge

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 3:16 p.m. CST

    No it won't

    by Royston Lodge

    It doesn't insult Catholics, or evangelicals, or conservatives, or promote the Democratic Party. As such, it won't be noticed by the talk-radio crowd.

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 3:17 p.m. CST

    Yeah, but they'll claim it

    by ZoeFan

    Exploits Children.

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 3:23 p.m. CST

    I don't buy it.

    by Royston Lodge

    Only if Rush Limbaugh is an investor in the movie and needs to boost its box-office numbers.<p> The movie simply isn't high-profile enough to get on talk radio's radar.<p> I mean, we live in a world where the "right-wing press" praises South Park.<p> It takes more than a little violence and some cursing to get that much free publicity for your movie.

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 3:25 p.m. CST

    Now, I can see protests from the Tipper Gore crowd...

    by Royston Lodge

    ... but that's a totally different group of folk.

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 3:29 p.m. CST

    Go to my original post

    by ZoeFan

    I mentioned PTC (They over react to everything, especially involving kids). And Bill O'Reilly, one of his main issues is the protection of children. This movie is right up his complaint alley. And again, I generally agree with him.

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 3:35 p.m. CST

    Kick Ass 2: How's her pussy by the way?

    by LisaNeedsBraces

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 3:45 p.m. CST

    God I hope this movie is nothing like Shoot'em Up

    by Series7

    Bland boring PG-13 crap. Sure its rated R, but they probably asked for the higher rating.

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 3:52 p.m. CST

    A 9 year old girl using the C word

    by rainbowtrout1265

    Would it really be that surprising if that causes a bit of controversy?

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 3:55 p.m. CST

    Hell, the Catholic church found issues with Avatar

    by MattmanReturns

    So anything's possible.

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 4:08 p.m. CST

    I didn't know what PTC was

    by NoodlesHahn

    so I went to their website. Their first headline is "Fox’s American Dad Features Man Masturbating a Horse".<p>PTC must genuinely believe that children are going to want to go out and masturbate a horse now.

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 4:14 p.m. CST

    The PTC is a bunch of whackos

    by ZoeFan

    I love how they have a direct link to "Contact the FCC".

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 4:18 p.m. CST

    TIPPER GORE IS A FUCKING CUNT!!!FACT!!!

    by TehCreepyThinMan

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 4:20 p.m. CST

    I also had to Google "PTC". I think that means . . .

    by Royston Lodge

    . . . they don't rank too high on the list of organizations that have much of an effect on the cultural zeitgeist.<p> After all, if ROYSTON FUCKIN' LODGE doesn't know who you are, you MUST be nobody! Heh heh heh...

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 4:22 p.m. CST

    I'm masturbating a horse right now...

    by Royston Lodge

    ...and I never even SAW that American Dad episode!

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 4:22 p.m. CST

    ZoeFan

    by NoodlesHahn

    It's scary some of the things they believe. But I am enjoying their website, FCC link included.<p>I have no idea why they even bothered to review Watchmen though. I don't know what they thought they might see.

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 4:28 p.m. CST

    Masturbating a horse...

    by NoodlesHahn

    well if Royston Lodge is doing it...<p>(I'm afraid the PTC won't think too highly of you, Royston.)

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 4:30 p.m. CST

    I don't think too highly of me either.

    by Royston Lodge

    Maybe I should sign up for a PTC membership?

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 4:31 p.m. CST

    Equine masturbation. Penguin fellatio.

    by Royston Lodge

    I really need to refill my brain medicine prescriptions . . .

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 4:40 p.m. CST

    So much of this film's budget was spent paying off this site?

    by Flea Circus

    The stumping this movie is getting from this site is kind of shocking. So if she says "cunt" suddenly it's not like watching a violent sequel to 3 Ninjas?

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 4:44 p.m. CST

    MARCEL_THE_NEGRO_PROJECTIONIST - Why Millar is shit

    by spud mcspud

    Because his stories basically boil down to us having to empathise with an anti-hero with no redeeming features whatsoever. Take WANTED - a zero loser nobody is picked up by a bunch of badass supervillains who basically scare and terrorise him into being his father's son - the second best Killer who ever lived. And although is is radically different to the comic, the last shot of the movie sums up exactly where they're coming from with it: Wesley, now a killer on a mission, looks at the camera and says "What the fuck have you done with your life?".<P> Well. Managed not to act out all my loser geek fantasies of gunning down everyone around me because I'm too fucking pussy to change my own situation, for one.<P> The absolute lack of any kind of morality is what pisses me off about that movie. It makes me think Mark Millar is one of those twats you knew at school who pulled wings off flies in front of you hoping you'd tell him, "Oh, how badass are you?" when actually you're thinking he's a psycho creep no-one really likes. Why would I want to cheer on a loser who then becomes a ruthless killer bad guy? Why would I want to get behind a team of ruthless super-villain killers - even if one of them is ANgelina Jolie? What's fucking cool about that plot? The only cool thing in WANTED were the SFX, and you'd expect that from the stone cold genius who made NIGHT WATCH.<P> And then I read CHOSEN. As Second Coming stories go, it was the most obvious twist EVER, and fucking boring to boot. I've even read one of the SAVIOUR graphic novels he did back in the day - more cod-religious bollocks notable only for the lovingly detailed unpleasantries visited upon the good angels by the fallen angels, and for the fact that they based the Antichrist on Jonathan Ross in the artwork.<P> So, Mark Millar was the 14-year old Fangoria addict who basically turned into the white-collar Rob Zombie of comics. He's a fucking atrocious writer, with zero idea of how to make a character even remotely likable, who wants to shock, and nothing else. I haven't read KICK-ASS (and nor does there seem much point to, if it comes out as slowly as people say it is doing) but I'm very sceptical that this is the massive exception to the rule. I'm sure the movie's great, but I think that's may more down to Matthew Vaughn than to Millar.

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 4:44 p.m. CST

    Matthew Vaughn who's married to Claudia Schiffer?

    by penhapus

    *That* Matthew Vaughn? He's hardly a scraping-by up and coming producer/director, is he? Everything I've heard says it is going to be a good film, but don't try and big it up as a low budget indie... oh, and the comic is published by a subsidary of Marvel.

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 4:44 p.m. CST

    MARCEL_THE_NEGRO_PROJECTIONIST

    by Aquanaut

    "there's a valley-sized gulf between Dave Lizewski's fantasies of being a superhero, and actually becoming one"<p>what does this statement mean in a world that is being advertised, at least at the beginning of all the trailers, as a realistic look at what it would be like if someone adapted a superhero identity?<p>for me, the story loses most of its deconstructionist value when you have human characters with no powers performing superhuman feats, like loading ones guns in midair and so on. this is similar to one of my main problems with watchmen (the movie). snyder took a a story about superheroes having to deal with real life consequences, and then threw in bullet-time action sequences!<p>the entire premise of superheroes having to deal with the "real" consequences of being superheroes falls to pieces when you feature characters that are untouchable badasses. i don't mind hit-girl being better at what she does, but i sure hope they're going somewhere with the level that they took it too in terms of portrayal. so far, the most successful deconstructionist superhero movie is the dark knight, based on comics that are the status quo of superhero stories!

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 4:45 p.m. CST

    Leon the professional

    by SQUIDDLY

    Natalie Portman's character had no adult role models due to her fucked up home life, she mistakes the love of her protecter and new father figure for romantic love. People who watch that and think of paedophiles are weird. The same way they think 300 is homoerotic, you must be a closet homo if you that is the only thinh you get from it. Most of us just enjoyed a great action film with lots of gore.

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 4:47 p.m. CST

    Seek out SPECIAL and MIRAGEMAN

    by Kal Reeve

    Those are both excellent superheroic films loaded with heart.

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 5:07 p.m. CST

    My horse jacked me off....

    by dasaroo

    ... as we sat watching the Kick-Ass trailer. Damn, them hooves is scratchy.

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 5:11 p.m. CST

    November Rain?

    by ParagonComplex

    That gave me goosebumps all over and brought the beginnings of tears to my eyes. That's how awesome that sounds. How closely does it follow the comic book? As edgy and hardcore as it sounds; I'm not so sure they'll show SPOILER ALERT: Dave lying naked in the street or him getting a car battery attached to his balls.

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 5:45 p.m. CST

    Millar does indeed suck

    by gooseud

    He is a 2 trick pony: kill off the heroes and empathize with the villians. Thats it. His entire career is based off cheap shock tactics and big budget action sequences. He has had moments of "big dumb fun" entertainment value (Old Man Logan, The Ultimates, His Ultimate Fantastic Four run), which are fine for what they are, but lets not get carried away. His stuff is always marred by the tonal shifts that people are saying this movie suffers from. Best case scenario, hes the Michael Bay of comics.

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 5:55 p.m. CST

    You guys are kidding me, right?

    by worldofwarcraft

    You can't think this looks cool. This is the most pandering junk trash i've seen in a while. Kid becomes superhero, but he's got no powers, he just has a costume? And then shit gets real! But it doesn't, because some 11 year old girl really has superpowers. That's so incredibly dumb. It doesn't help that they didn't even have the balls to cast a girl who at least didn't look straight out of a Gap ad. My little sister's 11 and the tallest girl in class would beat up precisely nobody.This is such lame looking shit. Nerd pandering is a sick thing. I swear, AICN has become entertainment in it's own right. Take your head out of your ass. Praise Allah for JettL.

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 6:17 p.m. CST

    The Millar Backlash starts here!!!

    by spud mcspud

    And I'm damn proud to have been there at the beginning. Proud, I tells ya.

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 6:27 p.m. CST

    Yes, TheWaqman

    by NixEclips

    I was surprised by District 9, and most movies I have figured out before I even see them. But I didn't know who to root for. And thanks for giving away a huge spoiler to anyone (poor fools) that hasn't seen it.

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 6:30 p.m. CST

    It's a very violent film

    by Wookie_Weed

    Might wanna mention that instead of just describing it as "fun action". And it was only a matter of time that America, with its love of guns, started producing child soldiers like Africa.

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 6:56 p.m. CST

    Chloe Moretz: Get Thee To A Nunnery

    by Nem_Wan

    It's just uncomfortable reality. Between Hit Girl and Eli (Let Me In) Chloe Moretz is inevitably going to get the same creepy attention Natalie Portman received. There are good ways and bad ways to manage unwanted attention. Dakota Fanning gets excellent advice about managing her image to not exacerbate the problem, without limiting her choice of roles. Chloe Moretz needs better advice: for example, she should be advised against posing like this when paparazzi point cameras at her: http://bit.ly/pR6sh http://bit.ly/5yhBBi Do an image search for Dakota Fanning and you'll see she doesn't do that and is smart not to. As for the perv countdowns? The funny thing is, historically they lead nowhere. Portman was so creeped out by her Leon "fans" that she won't do nude scenes now, because she knows they'll be excerpted out of context. There was a countdown for the Olsen Twins, no need to talk about how that turned out. This is not a new phenomenon. It should surprise no one that Brooke Shields drew the line against doing nude scenes after Pretty Baby. (Body double in The Blue Lagoon.) And of course, Jodie Foster was saddled the ultimate creepy fan, enough said. Child stars who actually grew up to be hot, like Christina Ricci and Danica McKellar, didn't have controversial roles as kids and thus didn't endure the same degree of nasty blowback that makes young actresses have second thoughts about breaking taboos.

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 7:18 p.m. CST

    The comic is rambling nonsense.

    by MaxTheSilent

    But it IS fun and very entertaining to read. Unfortunately those guys don't have anywhere near the level of talent of someone like Garth Ennis, who can make outrageous, offensive material that also serves a tight story.

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 7:34 p.m. CST

    Nem_Wan, I dunno...

    by Immortal_Fish

    I hear what you're saying and you make a good case, but all I see in those photos is a little girl aping at the camera, pretending to be all grown up and a mostly adult event. We don't know the context in which those photos were captured. Perhaps the cameraman was egging her on with jokes, etc. to illicit that reaction, which at the time may have been quite innocent.<P>It's just not coming off like Hannah Montana doing a pole dance at some kids award show. There, I agree with you.

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 7:38 p.m. CST

    Nem_Wan: Dude, really?

    by dasaroo

    You find those 2 photos "provocative"? Those are generic red carpet "Who are you wearing" poses. Methinks you doth protest WAY too much. Why don't you go take a cold shower.

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 7:51 p.m. CST

    If you hate *blank*, it must mean you're *blank*

    by terry1978

    That is the most recent copout argument that goes around these days, and it is full of bullshit. Some shit is just on the sick side in life, period. Not saying Hit Girl is per se, but the fact is, there are gonna be relatively normal people out there, some of your own boys included, that will think she's being sexualized.

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 8:01 p.m. CST

    SAVE THE CHILDREN

    by BringingSexyBack

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 8:02 p.m. CST

    The more I see the less I like.

    by ganda1f

    When I saw the opening of the trailer, I thought 'This looks great'. Kind of Mystery Men, except actually entertaining.<br><br>Then I see the first action trailer, with John-Woo Fu and full on Hollywood romanticized action, and the disconnect from my earlier expectations just pisses me off.<br><br>Maybe it all hangs together better in the film itself. I dunno. I guess I was hoping this film would do what Watchmen failed to do, and that's take seriously the idea of Superheroes in the real world, rather than Superheroes in a chinese crime-film world.

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 8:05 p.m. CST

    THE TRAGIC LESSONS OF JON BENET RAMSAY ARE LOST

    by BringingSexyBack

    on this cruel, selfish world.

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 8:10 p.m. CST

    OH, wait a moment. Aquanaut already said it.

    by ganda1f

    Just read up the thread and Aquanaut said everything I wanted to, except with the fancy words and good writings.<br><br>So just pretend I wrote wot he wrote.

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 8:32 p.m. CST

    spud mcspud, read The Ultimates.

    by raw_bean

    Seriously. Download it if you can't bring yourself to pay for more Mark Millar.

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 8:33 p.m. CST

    Special is available Instantly on Netflix

    by MacReady452

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 8:39 p.m. CST

    dasaroo: no

    by Nem_Wan

    The word "provocative" does not appear in my post, so you are "misquoting" me. Like Immortal_Fish notes, the girl works around adults all day and her poses are of a kid play-acting as a Hollywood star on the red carpet. That said, for someone with her near-future resume there's a difference in how an attention-seeking pose may be perceived versus just facing the cameras and waving like Dakota Fanning here: http://bit.ly/6wAWao I'm saying that the adults in charge, being aware of the documented experiences of previous child stars, should manage whatever public life the kid has off set, so she looks as uninterested in attention as possible, to draw a bold line of contrast between fiction and reality for those who have trouble telling the difference. But, gee thanks for accusing me of projecting. I thought citing real, past examples would make the discussion about an observable phenomenon that can be analyzed, and not about me, but golly you saw right through my ruse! Oh woe is me.

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 8:47 p.m. CST

    Massa, Good review, but you missed one major thing

    by Lang The Cat

    I liked your review in general. However, you missed one aspect that still has me concerned,<br><br> Nicholas Cage <Br><br> He is the biggest concern I have for this film. True, I would have cast Mickey Rourke as Big Daddy, but Cage seems like he was cast for the end result, not for initial impression. C'mon, Massa, what do you have to say about the guy who will do anything for a paycheck and a chance to wear a bad wig?

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 9:49 p.m. CST

    sorry I just don't think it will work

    by MurderMostFowl

    Enders game is unfilmable for similar reason. No one is going to take preteen characters seriously when they try to play adults.<BR><BR> I realize this film doesn't put its "children" in quite the same roles as Ender's Game, and the fact that half of the "super heroes" in this movie are wannabies would probably work for it instead of against it. <BR><BR>But you still have the problem of preserving suspension of disbelief of a girl being a trained assassin, and having the emotional maturity to deal with that before she even knows how to use a tampon. <BR><BR> I could believe this if hit girl was raised that way as a survival thing maybe, but we clearly see in that 2nd trailer that she's "well adjusted" with daddy and leads a normal life as well.<BR><BR> So instead she's a pre teen fantasy with as much depth as her spandex. <BR><BR>If it were all comedy fairy tale I could forgive it all... that would work, but from what I'm hearing.. it's not meant to be that. We're meant to take Hit girl seriously, no? Can anyone who actually follows the comic answer this?

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 9:52 p.m. CST

    Hit Girl = Tank girl + 15 years

    by MurderMostFowl

    Maybe I'll warm up to this when I see more footage, but I just don't see the draw. I'm reminded of the similarly silly "love" for Tank girl in the 90's. I'm referring to the comic of course, but we can see also what a horrible idea it was to put that to film.

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 10:03 p.m. CST

    The Ghost of Jerry Faldwell is Alive at AICN...

    by conspiracy

    Sack up you moralizing, Politically Correct fucks...there is nothing wrong with 12yr old girl dressed like in a School Girl outfit wacking people out.</p><p> Only in the USA is THAT particular aspect getting so much attention. I tell you this...Asia, Europe, Mexico, South America...they won't bat an eye about it. The whole topic is ridicules.</p><p>Really...Americans are obsessed with "Pedophilia".

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 10:16 p.m. CST

    spud mcspud, read Millar's "Swamp Thing" run—

    by blakindigo

    — it's good stuff.

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 10:25 p.m. CST

    Lang The Cat

    by Massawyrm 1

    To be honest, the first half of this review was written a month ago...in the midst of everyone glowing and fawning over Cage - so I went another way. But yeah, he's fucking awesome. There's something he does when he's in the Big daddy suit that will set fanboys atwitter. We're seeing a brand new Nick Cage this year.

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 10:54 p.m. CST

    "t Americans don’t use the c-word as a male derogative"

    by ironburl

    They do in my Texas town, cunt.

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 10:57 p.m. CST

    I JUST WATCHED THE ROAD AND YOU KNOW WHAT I LEARNED?

    by BringingSexyBack

    That the essense of civilization and hope for humanity lie in the innocence of our children.

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 11:17 p.m. CST

    BringingSexyBack

    by NoodlesHahn

    How on Earth was Boy's innocence preserved in The Road?

  • Jan. 18, 2010, 11:54 p.m. CST

    NOODLESHAHN

    by BringingSexyBack

    Well, I'm no post-apocalyptic survivalist but here's what I drew from that masterful film (and spoiler warning for anyone who hasn't yet seen this brilliant work): <P> Even though this boy was born into a dead world, raised and taught to survive but given no reason to live (as his mother demonstrated) ... he clings onto some innate instinct to seek kinship with humanity - as he did when he saw the other boy, and to act morally, as he did with the man at the beach. <P> Despite being hunted at every turn throughout his entire lifetime, despite the neverending dread and fear and horrors, he still has hope that there are other "good guys" out there. He in fact taught his father to reach out and treat strangers with kindness because that is the ultimate expression of humanity - that a person does not live, and really, cannot thrive or survive long, without reaching out to another. <P> It was this boy's innocence (something I believe his father lost when he lost his wife) that enabled him to put down his gun and trust the stranger on the beach, and be faithful that he will find a kindred spirit, another "good guy". And he did. <P> At least, that's my take.

  • Jan. 19, 2010, midnight CST

    so Whitney was right...

    by MacReady452

    teach them well and they will lead the way. Who knew a crack addict would get it so right?

  • Jan. 19, 2010, 12:02 a.m. CST

    MACREADY

    by BringingSexyBack

    Except in this case it was the child who taught the father ...

  • Jan. 19, 2010, 12:08 a.m. CST

    HOW WILL I KNOW

    by BringingSexyBack

    if he wants to eat me?

  • Jan. 19, 2010, 12:46 a.m. CST

    BSB

    by NoodlesHahn

    Ya know, I agree with your take on The Road, I just define words completely differently.<p>My take is this: One does not get credit for doing the moral thing or making the moral decision if their hand was forced. One has to choose to do the right thing, one has to see the value of doing the right thing over not doing the right thing, or over doing the wrong thing.<p>I would define childhood innocence as the ignorance of the wrong choice. (Like how some parents raise their children.) In this case one does the right thing because their hand was forced. Morality on the other hand is being aware of the choice and making the right choice anyway.<p>So morality and innocence are mutually exclusive.<p>Given the world the Boy was raised in, he had no innocence. He was raised with the opportunity to be like his father, a scavenger, stealing and intimidating his way to survival. That he chose not to is what gives him morality.<p>Gosh, how did we relate this to child stars?<p>Well, I think the point is that parents shouldn't try to shield their children from these choices, they should give these choices context so they will be prepared to make the right ones when they grow up.<p>Anecdotal evidence doesn't have a lot of meaning obviously but a few examples have already been raised. Jodie Foster, Brooke Shields and Natalie Portman all had challenging "adult" roles as children and they're all fully functional adults. Cause and effect? Of course not, but at least those roles didn't hinder their ability to be grownups. On the other hand, the Olsen twins basically put together the most wholesome filmography imaginable but because they were sheltered and over-protected they were ill-prepared to make real decisions when the time came to start making them.<p>Ultimately the point is that worrying about children taking these kinds of roles, having to deal with countdown clocks and scrutinizing how they pose for pictures is a waste of time. What Chloe Moretz is like as an adult is something we're not going to see in a movie or in a red carpet snapshot.

  • Jan. 19, 2010, 1:24 a.m. CST

    NOODLES

    by BringingSexyBack

    Certainly I would agree that the word "innocence" conjures up multiple meanings for a variety of contexts. Glad we understand each other though, about The Road. Just for clarification, my bringing up morality had more to do with my point about civilization. <P> I don't have any idea what kind of support structure Moretz has in real life, but I simply feel, in my own personal opinion, that her portrayal in Kick-Ass is crossing a line of decency. Of course, others will have have that line drawn differently - some farther out, some in. <P> I don't think a discussion or debate about preserving the innocence of youth is a waste of time though. This world is fast becoming inhospitable to childhood innocence. Though we may not come to a unified ideal about where to draw the line, I think it's productive that we keep an open debate at least to ensure that the line is drawn somewhere. <P> Night, Noodles. Thanks for a good discussion.

  • Jan. 19, 2010, 2:33 a.m. CST

    We are screwed up

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    People will be up in arms about her language, and outfit much much more than her shooting the crap out of people. For me we have pour moral issues completely out of wack.

  • Jan. 19, 2010, 2:59 a.m. CST

    Noodles great analysis of different childhood stars

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    Surely its got to be about education, love and support. Making sure they are also part of the real world, i.e. going to college. <p>

  • Jan. 19, 2010, 3:24 a.m. CST

    So, this is why Shakespeare wrote Hamlet!

    by AsimovLives

    So that, 400 years later, a geek who writes of a website can make a bad pun. That Shakespeare guy had the gift of foresight!

  • Jan. 19, 2010, 3:25 a.m. CST

    And the movie is not supposed to be Shakespeare, right?

    by AsimovLives

    That's what the geeks use to say about everything.

  • Jan. 19, 2010, 4:51 a.m. CST

    "a handful of loathsome age-countdown counters"?

    by s8ntmark

    Awwww Right! Giggity Giggity Goo! :D

  • Jan. 19, 2010, 4:57 a.m. CST

    Better then LAYER CAKE??

    by AsimovLives

    Excuse me for not believing that.

  • Jan. 19, 2010, 5:40 a.m. CST

    Wow... that's one hell of a lag

    by CmdX

    Massawyrm has to be the slowest writer ever... BNAT was a month ago

  • Jan. 19, 2010, 7:05 a.m. CST

    AVATAR HAS BEEN PULLED FROM 1,628 CHINESE THEATRES!?! WTF!?!

    by TehCreepyThinMan

    The communist nation's state-run movie distributor, China Film Group, unexpectedly began pulling the blockbuster science-fiction picture from 1,628 2-D screens this week in favor of a biography of the ancient philosopher Confucius.<br> <br>Paul Hanneman, co-president of international distribution for 20th Century Fox, the movie's distributor, confirmed the move, which the studio learned about Monday evening.<br> <br>According to the Hong Kong newspaper Apple Daily, the switch was made at the urging of propaganda officials who are concerned that "Avatar" is taking too much market share from Chinese films and drawing unwanted attention to the sensitive issue of forced evictions.<br> <br>Millions of Chinese have been uprooted to make way for high-rise buildings and government infrastructure projects in the fast-growing country. In "Avatar," human colonists try to demolish the village of an alien race to obtain a precious energy source buried under it.<br> <br>http://www.thenewstribune.com/apheadlines/outdoors/story/1034148.html

  • Jan. 19, 2010, 8:17 a.m. CST

    THE COMMUNIST PARTY IS A BUNCH OF HATERZ

    by BringingSexyBack

  • Jan. 19, 2010, 8:20 a.m. CST

    AND THAT, LADIES AND GENTS, IS THE SLIPPERY SLOPE

    by BringingSexyBack

    of eminent domain.

  • Jan. 19, 2010, 8:27 a.m. CST

    'will draw fire from conservative audiences and social critics"

    by RefutetheHype

    HAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! YOU SERIOUS? You make a mistake. You think that this is something anyone is even aware of let alone some ocnservative? Come on. HAHAHAHAHA! Show me one instance on the web anywhere of somebody in a true conservative position even upset about this movie in any way. HAHHAHAHAHA!

  • Jan. 19, 2010, 9:09 a.m. CST

    One Family Values org already has

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    embarassing for me is that the group is from Australia, though surprised they even knew about it

  • Jan. 19, 2010, 9:47 a.m. CST

    'Kick-Ass'? More like 'Kiss Ass'

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    AICN is shilling hard for this one.

  • Jan. 19, 2010, 10:32 a.m. CST

    Jesus

    by TheMandrakeRoot

    If you come out of Avatar and all you can think is "predictable", then you all at once missed the point of the film and prove your bias towards it. Not to mention I heard not ONE person predict the ending before it came out. Considering most praised movies are just as predictable (you really thought the Joker would kill Batman?)...all your doing is proving to everyone your a joyless cunt (fitting?). The films numbers certainly show how "boring" people find the movie. <p> Figures it's the douche who was the most vocal towards Avatar, then disappeared in fear upon it's release. Now he sneaks in off-hand comments, hoping people forgot...pretty sad.

  • Jan. 19, 2010, 10:40 a.m. CST

    I want a Bratpack movie! Now! And The Maximortal, too!

    by Snake Foreskin

    Way better than Watchmen or Kick Ass...

  • Jan. 19, 2010, 12:33 p.m. CST

    If it has 'November Rain' as a soundtrack

    by DonRivella

    I will not see it. At least not pay for it. This song is the pits.

  • Jan. 19, 2010, 1:14 p.m. CST

    Nem_Wan: Well, I agree with you...

    by Royston Lodge

    ...for what it's worth.<p> When I googled for Cloe Moretz photos, I too was struck by the somewhat inappropriate way she poses for press photos, considering that she was born in 1997.<p> In her press photos she does indeed look like a little girl trying to play adult. It's a wee bit creepy.<p> But in the Kick-Ass trailers, I still say she comes across as being much older than her true age. She has SUCH an Ellen Page vibe to her, it's hard to believe she's only 11.<p> Maybe she comes across differently in the final movie? I'm only going by the trailers here.

  • Jan. 19, 2010, 1:16 p.m. CST

    Happy Feet 2 will generate more protest than Kick-Ass will.

    by Royston Lodge

    Mark ... my ... words ...

  • Jan. 19, 2010, 1:24 p.m. CST

    Nem_Wan: I'd also like to point out Abigail Breslin...

    by Royston Lodge

    ...as a girl who seems to get better advice when it comes to her image.<p> http://tinyurl.com/y8z283m

  • Jan. 19, 2010, 5:52 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    "I didn't find the blue penis hard to swallow."<p> It amuses me greatly that someone wrote that line trying to make a serious point! He he he.

  • Feb. 16, 2010, 3:53 p.m. CST

    DonRivella

    by Gluecifer

    You fuckin' stupid human being. If November rain is in the movie, then don't go see it in a theatre, dumbass!

  • April 15, 2010, 11 a.m. CST

    Cobra--Kai

    by sabrefox

    I'd have missed that if it wasn't for you. Thanks for making my day. Hilarious!