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THE THING Prequel Details Emerging!!
Merrick here...
Infobits about director Matthijs Van Heijningen's prequel to John Carpenter's THE THING (HERE
) are starting to leak out. The project, which looks like it'll roll in March, will use a script by Eric Heisserer - who himself reworked a script by BATTLESTAR GALACTICA's Ronald D. Moore.
As it's a prequel, this means the film will probably be crawling with crazy Swedes (err, Norwegians) - as Carpenter's 1982 movie established that a Norwegian science team in the Antarctic was the first to unearth that nasty-ass space beastie. Despite said Norwegians, the main character in this installment appears to be an American(?) woman named Kate Lloyd. There's also helicopter pilot - a character named Sam Carter - who appears to be something of a counterpart to Kurt Russell's R.J. MacReady character from Carpenter's film. You can find more character details at SpoilerTV (HERE).
BloodyDisgusting (HERE) now has a brief plot synopsis for the prequel. The concept, truthfully, isn't particularly surprising:
begins when an alien spaceship is discovered far beneath the ice near a remote Antarctica outpost. We're told that a group of scientists decide to thaw out a creature from inside that kicks off the mayhem at the camp. It is said to be a prequel,
Both the prequel and Carpenter's progenitor movie are based upon Christian Nyby/Howard Hawks' 1951 THE THING FROM ANOTHER WORLD (HERE
) - which itself was built from John W. Campbell's WHO GOES THERE? (available HERE
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I'll watch this and shudder.
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First?
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laughable. Can't a story not have the blanks filled? I even like it that Carpenter left the ending open.
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Now I can fuckin' read the story!
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But seriously. Why? IT sounds just like the first one but it will have better effects, and evryone will die as oppossed to the ambiguos ending of the 1981 version.
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So what's the point? Seriously? The goings-on in the frozen Norweigan station are more interesting (and scary) when imagined. This is like the "Alien" prequel. It won't be better than Carpenter's "The Thing" and probably won't even be as good as the Howard Hawks version (which I actually, crazily enough, prefer).
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sorry
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Jan 13, 2010 9:53:00 AM CST
Better FX, if you mean non-practical and that equates to better
by soylentmean
then yeah, you're probably right. Nothing has topped Carpenter's in over twenty years, what makes anybody think it'll happen now?
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The combination of easy money and disgruntled fanboy bitching is a hell of a drug.
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I cannot wait for this movie AS LONG AS THE EFFECTS ARE REAL. I always hold up The Thing as one of if not THE last blast of TRUE hand-made special effects mastery in American cinema. If this is done right, I am all for it and I will be sitting center theater when it comes out. Carpenter's film is an absolute masterpiece in my opinion which can be watched over and over. The soundtrack is sparse and haunting, the effects are AMAZING, the characters are full and real, and the ending lets you decide for yourself who the hell is what and just what the hell actually happened. Great news...
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Of course. There just happens to be an American woman stationed in the Antarctic at a Swedish research base. God forbid there not be an American as the lead to relate to, as opposed to nothing but wacky unfathomable europeans. And this is coming from an American.
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Begin bracing yourself for CGI and disappointment NOW.
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...to THE THING.Leave it alone.
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If it has to be made, the guy who did Cold Prey should do this with a cast of actual Norwegians speaking Norwegian.
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Big deal.
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Jack Burton discovers time-travel and they make it a Thing-BTILC crossover. And the movie ends with the pork chop express chasing the dog across the ice. Then I'll support it. Maybe.
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Hmm, I hope the script was written by Dr. Seuss.
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But regardless of how it turns out, I will always have Carpenter's 1983 film. The bastards can't take that away from me! And for what it's worth, if you guys have never read the original 1927 story, it is great! Carpenter's film is WAY more like the story than the 1950's version. Hell, the story is almost like an early draft of the script...
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Where Dutch priests encounter the Demon Pazuzu FIRST? I don't think so. Nobody remembers that movie, not even the Dutchmen who were in it.
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Who goes there is a great book of short stories. Written in the mind frame of a 1940's future scifi storyteller. All I could do was imagine these in Amazing Stories or some other pulp from the time.
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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0053232/
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...but if they go the Norwegian route, we all know exactly how it ends. I'm sure they'll try to put a twist on it, but...here's hopin'
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Seriously.
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The 1980's Thing ruled and literally scared the holy fuck out of me as a child. Can not believe the effects they pulled without CGI back in those John Carpenter days. Of course this pre-quel will have plenty of CGI dog creatures I am sure. I am very skeptical.
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Because if it were a success, they'd go ahead and make a sequel to the prequel, and screw everything up.
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Kate Lloyd, a tough American chopper pilot (prob. played by Moon Bloodgood - she's cheap)... Sam Carter, a cigar chomping sonnuvagun (prob. played by Timothy Olyphant - he's cheap)... and a whole bunch of Norwegian nobodies to get killed off (they're REALLY cheap).
FX by some studio you've never heard of (specializing in DTV, and yes you guessed it - very cheap)...
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Aslan Orlando Bloom, or whatever the fuck you're called, NO, FUCK YOU!
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God forbid someone allows him to actually make another Thing movie.
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I'm just making a point. I've been doing this back when you were 12.
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as advertised recently by Wil Wheaton : http://clarkesworldmagazine.com/watts_01_10/
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I remember someone saying that the lack of visible breath from one of the characters, proved he was alien. Anyone got any thoughts on that?
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The Norwegians don't have anyone of action hero caliber.
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...that guy's hanging on by a string of a string. He's been making up for the Kolvoord Starburst for too long.
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...they might as well get some blackmetal heroes to star. They're the only balls that country has.
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I read in an interview with Carpenter, this was just accidental, due to the lighting of the scene. It doesn't mean anything.
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...laugh or kick your ass.Help me decide...what "point" exactly, are you making?...
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Orlando, you've seen me come... all over your wife's titties.
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...Norway as teenagers wearing their parents shoes with wads of newspaper stuffed in the toes so their little feet wouldn't slip around...I'm thinking I will kick your ass after all...
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Do not remember that, V'Shael. Will have to watch again this weekend (somewhere around viewing number 1,000 lol) and see what's up, but other things in the movie had breath just like humans so I don't know that it would really prove anything. Also, it has always bothered me that McReady's torn boxers were found. It's possible that he is in fact a thing himself and we were seeing the film from the thing's pov all along.
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Flicka, that's funny cos Orlando goes around with wads of newspaper stuffed down his underpants so no one realises his peckers the size of an acorn.
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...to fill that gaping void.
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Can we just once have a talkback without two guys hurling silly insults at each other? NO ONE CARES!!!
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...just a little......because it's so symbolic...
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The Thing just essentially be "At the Mountains of Madness" with swedes? Arctic research team, fucked-up spacy monsters, creepy rocks dogs hate, no survivors?
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rutgers, yeah sorry dude. I've said all I needed to. Pls continue dissing THE THING BEGINS or whatever the fuck it's gonna be called.
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scared me. This prequel already scares me, but for different reasons.
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the CG route, unless for emergency circumstances, is a mistake. At not time in Carpenter's version did the creatures look cheap or unbelievable in their contexts. The raw nature of the prosthetic effects really gave the shape shifting faceless alien villains their character, their personality. Going CG would probably remove itself from this fact, and look and feel of creatures may result in them being too different from what we loved in Carpenter's original. They'd be smart to get Rob Bottin and gang back for this and stay true to the nature of the beast.
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I agree, but that was such an unprovoked attack by Orlandu...you can't really let shit like that slide.
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They didn't lose me just by going forward with a prequel. I know Hollywood's creatively bankrupt, so whatever. But goddamnit, I was actually holding out hope that this would be a cold, cynical, Carpenter-ish flick. If it's gonna be a direct prequel to the original, then it needs to feel like it's in the same universe.
This already feels like a different universe. Hell, we can see right up front they have no balls by having throwing in the obligatory American main character. Say what you will about Mel Gibson, but at least when the guy makes a movie about other cultures, he uses the proper language, and other than Caveizel as Jesus, proper actors. They need to suck all traces of Hollywood out of that fuckin' script - fast - or it is doomed to shitiness. -
dopepope, yes totally agree. I still think one of the most *effective* pieces of creature fx ever was ALIEN when they autopsy the facehugger...
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that video game sequel had a nice basic story of a team going to the movie's base in the aftermath.
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Jan 13, 2010 10:50:42 AM CST
I'm against it. (Insert Ramones song of the same name)
by the reluctant austinite
I hate the very idea of prequels to begin with, but Carpenter's "Thing" in particular holds a special place in my geek heart and shouldn't be fucked with lightly. Of course, we all know how the story turns out, but the writer is promising we won't know who lives or dies. Let me guess: The helicopter pilot (and maybe the American woman) surives and escapes and at the VERY END we discover he is actually infected by the THING and he has made it back to civilization! So the characters in Carpenter's original version don't realize it's already too late and the Thing is already spreading across America. Shock! All of you guys hoping for more Rob Bottin style effects better wake up to the fact that this will end up 95% CGI with a couple of practical effects thrown in as a "homage" to Bottin's work. I'm against it unless Carpenter is actually brought on board to supervise EVERYTHING. Otherwise this isn't even a prequel, it's just a cash in.
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Nothing wrong with some CGI enhancements, but lets for once see what talented practical effects guys can do and stick with the visceral feel of the original.
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Why in the fuck i would need a prequel for THE THING? What propose would that serve? To cheappen the original? Do this people who ar ein charge of making movies even think? What is their porpose, to turn every property, every historical prestige movie they have into a display of assclown upmanship? What he fuck is wrong with this fucking clown? Do this people fucking hate movies? Fucking asses!
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Whoever brought up the X-Files episode, Ice, good call. Fucking classic. Wore its influences on its sleeve, though I didn't know it back in '92 or '93 when it originally aired. Either way, episode scared the crap outta me. That show fuckin' rocked back in the day. Too bad, much like Leno, they didn't know when to quit.
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oh wait, this is HOLLYWOOD we're talking about... they of no imagination.
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rutgersjaffo
"Begin bracing yourself for CGI and disappointment NOW."
So, so true!!
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It will hit the major storyline beats of the original, point for point. Here's the 'finding the alien', here's the 'first death, we're all in trouble', here's the 'noble battle to the death', here's the 'they all die'. WTF?
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The game had a terrible story!! Underground secret American facilities, conspiracy, and then at the end MacReady somehow managed to survive AND find another helicopter to come back and rescue the games main character.....terrible and nonsensical.
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should be shot.
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Jan 13, 2010 11:04:23 AM CST
Does this talkback really need another expression of disgust...
by harrycalder
...and outrage? No, probably not. But here it is, anyway.Dear makers of this film,Please to go fuck off and find something else with which to waste your time.Thanks in advance,Everybody with any sense whatsoever.
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Jan 13, 2010 11:04:47 AM CST
This film should feature the nerdy scientist from the Hawks vers
by royston lodge
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at outpost 51, with the last survivor getting a bullet in the eye. It would obviously have to be shot from a different perspective, e.g from inside the helicopter as they chase that pesky bastard dog etc. Thats all I ask.
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... fucking amazing and the movie didn't age a bit!
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It's also on the page as an MP3:
http://clarkesworldmagazine.com/watts_01_10/
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Who goes there? Simple, effective and a nod to the source.
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including the actors
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They all die in the end.
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The way things usually go, the monster will probably look like something out of Phantoms (Ben Affleck was da bomb in that shit yo). Watch any CGI effects movie from the five years after Jurassic Park.. the CGI is hideous these days. Then take a look at The Thing from 1981.... fucking awesome physical effects even if some of the human moulds were terribly obvious.
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is what I meant.
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Prequel to one of the greatest films ever made. You can't do it better. Every girl I date this is the first movie I always show them. Original movie poster framed on my wall. The testament to why CGI sucks. Amazing daring ending. Seriously, a pox on you all. ALL!
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...again.
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...tee hee.
(It's all about not making a big deal about what goes on in internet forums. Cause it's all bullshit spewed forth by people who have no weight in the industry. Nor does the industry care.) -
John Carpenter has said he would LOVE to do another Thing film (as reported here several years ago when there were rumours of a new project based on the video game), he just didn't want to write it.Well HERE IT IS John Carpenter! he only question is "Does he still have the magic?".
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...you're pretty tough for a guy on the internet.
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I'm going to say, no he does not still have the magic. Although that movie did have one great moment... Jason Statham spends the whole movie blatantly propositioning Natasha Henstridge for sex, always evoking an eyeroll. Then when things look really dire, he does it again and she says "okay" and they start to fuck. I think they get cut off, but I thought that was a neat character moment. It reminded me of the spontaneous sex JCVD's character had with Henstridge's character on a bathroom counter in Maximum Risk.
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I just hope that we eventually get a prequel to Star Wars so that we can see how it all came together...
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Jan 13, 2010 11:30:07 AM CST
Did The Norwegians We Saw At The Beginning of the First Movie
by autodidact
died?
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Jan 13, 2010 11:36:16 AM CST
At least it doesn't have Macready's brother at the Norweigan bas
by meta
like they were proposing before. I can just see how they were explain that. "Your brother's at the American Antarctic base?" "Yeah, but he doesn't know I'm here. I'm going to surprise him after we thaw out this block of ice we found inside that UFO."
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Jan 13, 2010 11:37:14 AM CST
Carpenter's The Thing was essentially a sequel to the book
by revenge_of_fett
I didn't read the book directly, I read a comic book adaptation. It was about a group of researchers finding the ship, then the being. They cut out a block of ice containing the being, it thaws, calamity ensues. I'd be totally down with seeing that movie. And no, carrot man or whatever the fuck the original was doesn't count.
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... so see that he majority of the geeks in here agree with me that this prequel is completly pointless. Good job, geeks, i'm so proud of you.
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http://tinyurl.com/yew9nkn
Worth checkin out.
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Just sayin' that Hollywood often wants a cheery ending. JC was one of the few that was under the radar enough to get away with dark endings but I doubt that will happen this time.
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... JJ Abrams to direct, so he call fill the whole movie with anoying obnoxious teens characters and contrived plots filled with plot holes and deux ex machinas coincidences?
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doesn't mean that I don't want to see it. I've seen plenty of prequels that were cool.That's like saying that Star Wars: Episode IV wouldn't have been "necessary" if Lucas would have made Empire Strikes Back first. That's like saying FOTR and TTT aren't "necessary" so long as you've seen ROTK.
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...the master would not approve
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...clearly you're a dysfunctional nerd who's disappointed over the fact that Abrams didn't include a moment with Picard playing his flute in the Holodeck or the like. Your sense of sarcasm sucks, you're about a year late on the Abrams/Star Trek hate and your name simply backs up how uncreative you really are.
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I had no idea it was quite that old, and I actually read it years ago. Yes, Carpenter's version is much truer to the Campbell story than the Hawks film, but Hawks's is still more fun for me overall.
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....clearly you are a jerkoff. JJ Star Trek hate...is a dish best served cold.
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Jan 13, 2010 11:55:26 AM CST
I'M NOT SO MAD ABOUT THIS AS I AM THE KARATE KID REMAKE
by bringingsexyback
My feelings for Noriyuki "Pat" Morita runs deeper than I thought.
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Hey Sweden!
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...because Ron Moore was writing the script. As hopeless as a THING prequel was ever destined to be, Moore offered a glimmer of light. After all, he's only given us the most transformative and important science fiction epic of the last decade - BATTLESTAR GALACTICA. But word of a rewrite by someone else - Eric Heisserer (?) - gives me a sinking feeling. I'll hold out judgement, but it would have been heartening to know they were going with Moore's script alone. And good or bad, Carpenter's classic original will survive whatever this follow-up proves to be.
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You can't be late for something that's eternal.
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...to you what a figure of speech is, but I'm not in the mood. Google it.You came out swinging for no apparent reason...my offer was to skin you alive with the sharp tip of my pen (another metaphor).You seem less than eager to back up your bluster. I accept your capitulation.
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Always a pleasure, you made me laugh.
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Jan 13, 2010 12:08:10 PM CST
...SexyBack, do I fight a lot? I think of myself as mostly...
by flickapoo
...a lover.Maybe I need to see a Dr. Geek...
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Jan 13, 2010 12:10:41 PM CST
The Dark Horse sequel comics were enjoyable in my youth...
by hewhocannotbenamed
...anyone here read those? Great Higgins art in the first mini series. I can say I am not pleased with this prequel idea and wish Russell and Carpenter could recreate some magic. Practical effects for the win.
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That's why when we insist, "The events in a Thing prequel are scarier when only implied, and left to our imagination," it's a pointless endeavor.
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Jan 13, 2010 12:13:14 PM CST
...the good thing about this is it will be easy to ignore...
by flickapoo
...I see this sinking without a splash.
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I'm not very knowledgable about Star Trek, but what does Picard have to do with TOS? Can you enlight me on that?
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I love the way they've taken the exact same plot, but simply set it prior to the events of the first movie. It's brilliant. All they need to do now is say that they're going to stick closer to the "original source material", which will no doubt win them quite a few points with fanboys.
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... as George W. Bush was needed as president of USA. And sadly, it still happened.
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Unfortunatly, Carpenter's THE THING already was close to the original short story. I should know, i have it.
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Cast Tom Hardy in this, as the last guy to get eaten/absorbed/assimilated by the Thing, and I'm in...
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Tense, like in THE THING.
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You are absolutely right about that, and it's a sad fact that can be applied to ALL suits, including the ones we allow to be in charge of our lives. I would find reality shows like Survivor much more interesting if all the contestants came from upper management and had to wear suits and carry brief cases the whole time. Or if that Donald Trump show, whatever the shit it's called, took place in a hostile environment like the Amazon Jungle or the Serengeti...I just want to see people in suits on their hands and knees, or running away from something. Grimacing with pain and exertion would be fine too...and not allowed to loosen their ties...What were we talking about again...?
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It's fucking unnecessary. Both The Thing from Another World and Carpenter's The Thing are fucking great. We don't need to see how the Norwegians got to the point that we see them chasing down the dog-alien in The Thing. Dumb.
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There aren't many things that put us in agreement, but this is one of them.
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Jan 13, 2010 12:25:10 PM CST
I bet this movie will show the Norwegians figuring out
by colonelfatheart
the nefarious intentions of THE THING. Expect ominous warnings from the Guy Who Figures It All Out.
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Do you hear we?
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Or I could just go watch Carpenter's version again instead.
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We know everyone dies except the pilot and shooter in helicopter and they are chasing the dog, and they too are killed eventually. End of story.
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Oh yeah, Black and White is so out. Fucking mainstream media.
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I would love to see all those Randians, free-marketeers and lasseiz-faire "rugged individualists" on CNBC and in the executive suites plunked down in the middle of some wilderness. Tell them, go ahead, live your ethos without the benefit of a labor force or infrastructural advantages. I'd watch that show.
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...racist THOR movie.
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Sorry, just because it's old doesn't mean it's good. Carpenter's is far superior. Yes, remakes CAN be better.
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"Da Ting?" [Rimshot!]Don't forget to tip your waitress!
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If there is such a need for a backstory, make it a novel or a comic book. There, saved 100 Million.
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Jan 13, 2010 12:46:37 PM CST
the norwegians are played by canadians and sound russian......
by thedannerdaliel
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I never said it was better than Carpenter's, nor that it was good because it was old. I just have a nostalgia effect for it. I do think that Carpenter's is better, but THIS shit right here isn't a remake. It's a prequel. I'm taking it like AVP, even though that wasn't a prequel. Just company spawned crap that's just trying to make money.
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Your Norwegian forefathers would be proud...
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...you can thank me later.
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Yeah totally agree. This is one of the most pointless ideas I've ever heard. And I don't think any fans of The Thing are asking for it, so who the hell are they making this for? Just stupid.
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they get brownie points.
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Did you ever see those commercials with the office workers in the woods, staging gladitorial combat with office supplies in hopes of winning promotions, while the corporate overlords watch from above? If that was a real show, I'd be hooked.
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tagline: before John Carpenters' "THE THING" there was... "WHO GOES THERE?"
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...but when you have a moment...I'd rather not spend the rest of the winter TIED TO THIS FUCKING COUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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After The Thing eats a 60s band, it absorbs their talent and becomes an unexpected musical sensation. Starring Tom Hanks as its manager.
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The alien eats a lovelorn teenager and proceeds to woo Ione Skye. "Keep watching the Skyes!!!!"
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they must have the majority of actors speak Norwegian, with some who speak a little English, and a few English speaking actors who speak a little Norwegian. no subtitles, just have a few people translate for each other. this will be especially important when the film reaches the climax, as the language barrier will get the wrong people killed, allegiances questioned, and the paranoia amped way up. especially if the final 2 survivors cant understand each other. it would also add tension for the audience not knowing what "everybody" is saying at all times, especially near the end.
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...that would be too scary.And sad.
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...a first date like no other...will she split open to reveal a toothsome gaping maw when you least expect it?A touching and thrilling tale of love.
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A tense, gritty look at interplanetary race relations...
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Teh sukk.
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Fuck this noise.
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must do the special effects, or consult on the film. no CGI! if you have to use it, only use it to enhance a practical effect that is already there. get Weta to do this, if anybody.
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is another must. you cant change the music or it wont feel like the same story.
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or an Angel or whatever. After watching the Plan, I'm not happy that Carnival didn't get another season. He's good, but doesn't know how to wrap things up. On second thought, maybe he would be perfect for this. Carpenter already wrapped it up, Moore is only doing the first act.
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All we know 100% from the JC version is that the only survivors (left on the Norwegian base anyway) is one man and a dog at the very start of the film. Other than that, they could take the story anywhere.
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A high-school loser pays The Thing to be his girlfriend. Carnage and lessons about true love ensue.
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clothing, hair, technology should all be late 70's, early 1980 "out of style". these people have been living in isolation for a long time, they wouldnt be up on current trends in 1980... everyone should be older, no teenagers visiting daddy from college... you have to make this feel like the same universe as the first film. lighting, music, atmosphere, effects. you should be able to play them back to back and it feel cohesive.
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"I cannot wait for this movie AS LONG AS THE EFFECTS ARE REAL. I always hold up The Thing as one of if not THE last blast of TRUE hand-made special effects mastery in American cinema."
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Carpenter's score by Ennio Morricone?
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http://tinyurl.com/ydvrmdb
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Which you would know if you've actually read "Who goes there?" by John Campbell (which I have, dammit).(spoilers)What you'd find in the short story is a shapeshifting alien that is thawed out from a crashed spaceship in the Antartic ice...the alien takes over a human lifeform by absorbing it and then, for all outward appearances, completely takes on the form and behaviours of the human being absorbed.The 1951 "Thing from another world" had absolutely fuck all to do with that concept. 100% not a shapeshifting alien and, in fact, was a plant-based lifeform that didn't remotely turn into anything other than what it already was. Location was the same but there were no women in the original story or Carpenter's work (unlike the 51 version).Outside of some technology references, the short story "Who goes there?" is EXACTLY like Carpenter's "The Thing" and hence, not a fucking remake!Ok, sorry to be irate but people seem to think (or imply) that Carpenter's work owes something to the 51 version when, if you actually read the story and then watch both movies, you will plainly and obviously see that "The Thing" is precisely a 'novel to film' movie and not a remake of another movie. If I sound a little miffed it's that Carpenter's film is likely my favorite movie of all time, certainly favorite horror movie, and Campbell's short story is one of my favorite sci-fi stories and to see people imply Carpenter owes his film's greatness to that campy and corny and utterly banal 51 version pisses me off.Unless of course you automatically think made prior to the 60's and black&white means *better* without empirical evidence.ok..rant off...
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...BEST THING....because this will suck...and technically Carpenter's will come after...but be better....
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So I went with number two.
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Like this one:
http://tinyurl.com/ydoh76z
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a pilot who had brought the american characters to the base, flies off to civilization to get help, but is already infected... thus the doomsday scenario Blair tried to prevent already happened, explaining why Windows was unable to reach anybody. they were in fact, all that was left of humanity. DUM DUM DUM
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by Rob Bottin who, in 1982 when 'The Thing' was made was fucking 23 years old!!!I was a freakin asswipe at 23 and this guy breaks ground in real cinematic effects at the age of 23!As to the prequel...I ask, is it necessary? We've been getting some mostly original to very original and also good sci-fi lately...
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You don't have to buy it from Amazon. You can read it online, for free:
http://www.outpost31.com/books/who.txt
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Swedes would have cooked THE THING for dinner.
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...boobs, and killer upside-down spider heads.
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or "...beer, farting boobs..." After all, with the Thing, it could be either...
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...mano-a-mano with only a kerosene lantern and a candle...
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...and screaming blood scene is a highly charged symbol of classic Freudian adolescent male fear of menstruation and castration.We're shooting for Best Visual Effects and Best Original Screenplay.
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"Mac wants you to bring the flamethrower."
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Get off my lawn Thing!!!!!!!
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The Thing: "So ... you're married."
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...just leave it lost. Why can't you leave it alone?......what is your fucking problem, man?
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Now MOVE!
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*Closes plane hatch which reveals The Thing's name ... The Thing laughs*
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...pretend to be married at IKEA and Chinese tourists are all "...what the fuck? Americans are weird...".
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How about a sequel!?!?! Too crazy?
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Debbie Reynolds rips off her top to reveal beer-farting boobs...
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Sweden is practically Norway.
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Thing vs. Thing!
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...it wants to be. That fucker isn't even TRYING to fit in...it's being an asshole just because it can.There are plenty of things it could be that would make us eager to feed it...respect it...love it...squeeze it...tickle it...give it its own reality series...Fuck that Thing.
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No mattter who wins, everyone's grossed out.
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To draw us older audiences to go see it. It will probably be just another remote place alien thang.... but these movies can be such a hit or a miss...! Hey love the comments....got some nice chuckles out of me !!!!
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Thanks that short story link! Fun read.
Kind of makes me think a prequel should be the thing getting ready for work, kissing Mrs. Thing goodbye, and having spaceship troubles ("Oh here comes some helpful folks, say do you have a phone I could use...?") -
Harder than anything that has EVER sucked before. Michael Bay wishes he could suck this hard. Brett Ratner knows his suckage is not a patch on the Maelstrom of Suck this will create. Even MEGAN FUCKING FOX WISHES SHE COULD SUCK THIS HARD!!!
You think she does? She doesn't. NOTHING will suck as hard as this piece of CGI'd-all-to-hell-CW-actor-filled-Jared-Padalecki-headlined piece of fucking SHIT!
That's all I got. Fuck this "prequel" or whatever. ANd fuck Hollywood, for this sackless continuation of the culture of yellow-bellied cowardliness that passes for creativity in that dried up shitbowl town these days.
I'm off to watch THE THING and pretend I never fucking read this... -
A title until just recently held in an iron grip by the geniuses behind The Descent 2.
Seriously: What. The . Fuck.
Not only is it a complete retread of the first movie, it also has the added bonus of recycled American characters for dumb audiences who have a hard time relating to non-Americans. That right there is proof of the level of intelligence this shitburger is going to have.
Anyone else read the 2-issue Dark Horse Thing sequel comic back in 1991? That was an amazing piece of work and a virtual blueprint for a viable sequel to The Thing. Even Carpenter said so years ago, before he disappeared into that dope cloud which he hasn't left since.
The Thing is possibly my favorite movie of all time and virtually flawless. I would rather watch a terrible sequel than a half-decent prequel to it. That's how much I hate this idea.
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Not true. Bennings had frozen breath after he had been "thinged."
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oh wait...wrong Thing
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I remember awhile back you had listed The Thing as a smart film.Although I have an idea why you considered it to be a Smart Movie. (The films take on psychological concepts i.e. fear,suspicion and paranoia.)I was hoping that you would further elaborate,but then again that would be Spoonfeeding.Great film! Glad I own the Blu-Ray.
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Jan 13, 2010 2:54:38 PM CST
Kaitain Carpenter was not responsible for the Thing's Score.
by stalkeye
If I remember correctly, it was in fact Ennio Morricone.Brilliant soundtrack BTW.
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SOME THING WICKED THIS WAY COMES
Rated X and featuring scenes of a graphic nature. -
WILD THINGS
Denise Richards and Neve Campbell in sexy threesome with giant toothsome gaping maw. -
CRAZY LITTLE THING CALLED LOVE
A Quirky rom com in which Janeane Garofolo hooks up with a giant toothsome gaping maw. Tagline: 'Everybody loves somebody!'. -
...yea, I'd watch that.
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YOU MOTHERFUCKERS!!!!!!
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Higgins' artwork was so brilliant! Yeah?
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"giant toothsome gaping maw" has taken me to my happy place... I'm sorry... what were we talking about?
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This is a remake posing as a prequel. And no, it's never to late to hate that OTHER fucking piece of shit prequel/sequel/remake/rip-off JJ Abram's Drek Trek.
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Yes, I know. That's what I said.
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That Username sounds awfully familiar.Didn't know you were a fan of Samhain. :P
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...but prefer Carpenter's version. For one reason,I saw it first, though I did get to see it in a theater when it was first released. It was several years before I saw the original. Not to come off like an old fuck, but it is a lot nicer these days. It used to be if you wanted to see a movie that was a couple of years old you were at the mercy of tv programmers, and much of the time they were edited. Then cable came along then videotape, thank god for vcrs. But that's one reason why I always preferred Aginst All Odds and No way out to the originals, because I never had a chance to see them. As far as a Thing prequel, why? Although I'm sure someone on here could give me several examples, beyond parts of The Godfather part II and Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, I'm hard pressed to think ot a really good prequel. And I don't count "reboots" like Casino Royale. I would much prefer a sequel, maybe with the Thing moving into a city and MacReady running around warning people much like they did with Kevin McCarthy in the 78 Bodysnatchers.
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Hey, let's not hate on Americans.
They gave us THE THING.
Just...Americans. Please. Dont give us THING ZERO. K?
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Indeed. I haven't posted since 2007 yet I've been frequenting the site eyes only style in the interim. Samhain pleases me greatly and I still submit that November-Coming-Fire is their finest work under that name.
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Yep, exactly what I was thinking.
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How The Thing killed the aliens that were piloting it. And then that should have a prequel showing the events that led up The Thing infecting them. It'll be the Hollywood franchise equivalent of a child asking "WHY?" to every answer.
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It was the research video they watched in the original. I don’t need to see a bunch of Norwegians standing around the perimeter of the UFO, blowing it up, then cutting a large rectangular chuck of ice out of the ground and bringing it back to their lab (which eventually they set fire to).
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"The prequel's prequel could focus on the UFO crash [and] how The Thing killed the aliens that were piloting it."
Strangely, it never occurred to me before that the thing had infected the crew of a separate alien species (a la "Alien"); had always assumed that the thing crashed in its "original form" and was frozen and thawed out in that form. But in many ways that makes less sense as an hypothesis than does yours. -
Bring back Kurt Russell, Keith David and John Carpenter!!!!
You could have a whole story of how Russell's character escaped the antarctic and lived out his life far away from the past nastiness. Maybe he killed Keith's character out of fear and feels guilty about it.
Maybe have him being lured back because his daughter(a scientist) ends up going back there. I dunno.
Although the Carpenter ending of the 1980 movie was PERFECT in my book. I guess I wouldn't mind a "prequel" if it was handled in the same mood as Carpenter's flick.
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Yeah, I always considered The Thing to be formless, except at a microscopic level.
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Jan 13, 2010 4:25:14 PM CST
So.... it's just a remake of The Thing. But with a chick.
by onin solstice
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It's already shitting on Carpenters version. Will she be trapped in the base and then ally with the Thing and fight off aliens, then have a climatic tag team ice plateau battle with the Thing and a Queen Alien? We've been down this path......
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Predictable PC
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...EVERY SINGLE PERSON on this talkback actually AGREES on the same thing. You know how I know this is a bad idea? Because it's REALLY FUCKING OBVIOUSLY a bad idea. In any case...we're all just floating.
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The effects in that movie were crazy cool. Some of the best practical creature effects ever done.
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"this is bullshit, all of it"
This is another why bother movie, why? why? why?
A sequel maybe, certainly not a remake, they'd do a 'I know that The Thing did last summer' type movie. -
Aging minor league pitcher the Thing returns to fame and recindles a romance with his ex before assimilating her.
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can't wait for the return of the real John Carpenter movie The Ward
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Download-from wherever you download stuff,Chillers-Four Tales of Terror(BBC Radio Sci-Fi Drama).Got mine on Isohunt.Its a radio dramatisation of John.W.Campbells "Who goes there?",lasts about 30mins.Quite interesting.Was broadcast on 24th January 2002 in the UK.Mostly English actors-but Macready has a Scottish accent!Weird to hear after being used to Kurt Russell.Worth a listen for Thing completists.
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McReady and Childs frozen corpses found in artic by the coperation who hired them to do what they did. Bodies bought back to america- they thaw out in ship- we never see who was the thing. It's all shadow play on the wall. The attack happens. Military group is sent to the artic to retrieve something to fight it. You guessed it... "The Blob" They bring it back it actuallyt attacks the crew as it thaws out, but the whole goal even though it's killing them isx to get it back to the costal united states and unleash it. Could be fun. Fuck the prequel in its skippy jar ass!!!!!!!
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.. is infected by THE THING. Blood test time!
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You've pretty much hit the nail on the head with your posts--both the "twist" prediction (if you're not right, it's likely some other version of that that's close enough), and with your discussion about tones and atmosphere. They will, more than likely, have the "teenager(s) visiting daddy in his Antarctica ice-studying job" so that tweens can get their cute boy/girl fix. Undoubtedly, a love interest will materialize for NO reason in the midst of all of this (best movies of all time have no love interests, such as THE GOOD, THE BAD AND THE UGLY and ALIEN, just as the best romance stories have no obligatory action thrown in to keep the guys awake), and it will utterly detract from the suspense/mood/tone/atmosphere of the original.
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Tremors! Set it in like the 50s in another new mexico\nevada town. Have some nuclear tests going on, perhaps serving as a suitably camp explanation for how the slugs came to be so huge and nasty. Cast Kevin Bacon as an ancestor of his original character, then kill him off. Kill everyone off. That's why nobody knows about the slugs in the original Tremors!
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McReady and Childs frozen corpses found in artic by the rescue team sent by the corperation who hired them to do what they did. Bodies bought back to america in tanker- bodies left to thaw out- we never see who was the thing since the image of the thing emerging from the thawing is a proijected shawdow on the wall of whats actually happening. The attack happens in norfolk va. Black ops are sent to the artic to retrieve something that was secretly sent there years ago. It's believed to be the only thing that can really destroy the thing. You guessed it... "The Blob" They know to keep it frozen but something goes wrong and it thaws and it attacks the crew, not wanting to fauil the world at large they keep forging ahead towards the costal united states to unleash it- the crew is dying off quickly but thankfully the blob doesnt like cold water either. Could be fun. Prequel is a Cheating Ass Bitch!!!!!!!
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It's a squirted smidgen of diarrhea dump that came out when my autonomous nervous system assessed the likely quality of a Thing prequel.
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Wow, The Thing in blu-ray. Must look amazing. Personally, i think that The Thing has one of the best cinematoghraphy i ever seen in a movie. In blu-ray it must look heavenly glorious.
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In other words, it's a REMAKE of the EXACT plot of the original - with less talented people both behind and in front of the camera.
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... at the Church Of Rob Bottin.
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... and tell them to their faces "what don't you fucking understand?"
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..probably #1...but um, this sounds a little redundant and pointless..sounds like an excuse to remake it via a prequel
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So instead of having a Euro Cast with accent speaking English say Stellan Skarsgard and Thomas Kretschmann we will be treated to a couple of Yanks to brighten up proceedings and no doubt the Kate Beckinsdale or whatever pretty face they get will team up with the Thing and escape at the end for a sequel Thing musical!
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The Thing goes to high school. Some mopey girl falls in love with him. A few scenes later, the high school mascot is a two-headed dog with tentacles and the cheerleaders are having to dip an electric wire into samples of their blood.
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Christian Slater disposes of a dead stripper with his giant toothsome gaping maw.
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The Thing (82) is one of my favorite movies of all time... But does the general public really remember it???I dont see this ever being released...
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Can you say "More of the same" in big, loud letters? I guess original scripts cost far more than cheap retreads, especially if the studio already owns the necessary properties. Nah, I'll avoid this one like it had warts. It has no real point in being. I'm avoiding more and more sequels, reboots and alternate-angle things. They make me feel itchy because they disappoint too often.
Either offer me something "new" that's at least a good variation on a classic theme or revamp something with a clear streak of STYLE, like Nolan's "Dark Knight."
Y'wanna do a sequel? Show me what kind of life Dorothy had after she was back in $#@! KANSAS. Now THAT would be SKEERY.
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Thought I was the only person in the world that liked it...
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Period. Repeatedly.
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Will he be in it, sans moooostache??
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Ok, so Sam carter is generic enough aname that it could be used in more than one sci-fi franchise, but to use it as another character (who is also a pilot) that unearths an alien device/creature in the antarctic? A bit too close.
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The cast alone sells it for me.
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Bud Fox: "You once told me, don't get emotional about stock. Don't! The bid is 16 1/2 and going down. As your broker, I advise you to take it."
The Thing: "ROOOAR!!!! Roar roaar rrrooaaarr!!! ROOOOOAR!!!!" -
granted it was terrible and looked like your typical cheap DTV movie but still, it was done.
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This will be fucking atrocious.
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heheh they're probably putting a female in it so they can do the obligatory sex transformation absorption scene. You all know it will have it. Like Chuck Russle's remake of THE BLOB did. Oh well,
let's just hope for the new REAL
John Carpenter movie to rock! I don't know why AICN hasn't followed
anything on John Carpenter's THE
WARD yet. Here is a behind the
scenes look at it plus interview
with the man! This is awesome!!!
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This is one movie I've never wanted a sequel or prequel to. It's completely unnecessary.
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I assume.
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bet non of the sweds are real sweds and surely they wont speak swedish- if they do someone will be american somehow and want to only comunicate in john wayne. earlier details of th eprequel was how much it was exactly like johns flick with charatcer name changes. fuck this movie. Bring on The Thing VS The Blob.
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bet non of the sweds are real sweds and surely they wont speak swedish- if they do someone will be american somehow and want to only comunicate in john wayne. earlier details of the prequel was how much it was exactly like johns flick with charatcer name changes. fuck this movie. Bring on The Thing VS The Blob.
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...was a prequel to Dune. I'd pay to see Burt Gummer on Arrakis, though. "We've got wormsign like even God has never seen! Get the elephant gun!"
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doesn't know he did a CG thing-like creature too. Or maybe they just ignore it because it makes their stupid cg-hatin' hearts happier. Stoops.
Rutgers, Carpenter's Thing came out in 82, not 83 - yes 82, the all-time greatest year for films since 39. And all-time greatest for genre fans period. Cheers!
And PLEASE people, give the "we know what happens" whining a rest. The whole point of that sort of thing is that it sets itself a challenge to be compelling DESPITE knowing the outcome. It didn't exactly hurt Lawrence of Arabia, you twits. Not that I think most films can be that great, but you get the point.
Another moronic fanboy/TB whinge is "it ruined the original". Such bullshit. The original (in this case the remake) is still there and hasn't changed and can still be seen (you only have a point here when talking about Star Wars which IS hard to get a hold of in it's original incarnation). Just like crappy films of books. The book's still there, nothing changed. They exist concurrently and one doesn't replace the other. If the problem is you not being able to view the earlier version without thinking of the new one you hate, that's YOUR problem and you probably need to do something about your attention span.
Having said all that, the argument that we don't NEED more is valid and would be absolutely fine if it were not for the fact that this sort of thinking would mean we never would have had Carpenter's version in the first place. Look. Let it come out. If it sucks, Carpenter's is still there and you can just go back to that and ignore the new one. Just like Day the Earth Stood Still, Andromeda Strain, Thunderbirds, and on & on. No biggie.
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I am a huge fan of the original (theremin music FTW). But I can no longer think of Day The Earth Stood Still without thinking of Jaden Smith.
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There's no way this can be good.
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short story, The Thingd. And the audio version is fucking awesome.I heard it yesterday and am already planning a night w friends to watch the original movie, Carpenter's remake, then listen to The Things...
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If you weren't being deadpan, thanks for proving my point.
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Stop trying to replicate Alien, ffs.
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I'm more concerned by the fact that she's American.
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I think I'm going to be annoyed with that Jaden kid for the rest of my life. If I watch the original it will just summon up memories of that little... well he's just a little kid so I can't blame him for anything.
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Chrism, you spawn of an inbred ass-raped, pus dripping macaque
by Liberal_Warrior Jan 13th, 2010
08:59:42 PM
You motarded pencil dicked, hamster fukken, dildo breathed, dumb ass camel kissing piece of twice fukekd zebra shit!
You are dumber than ten day old zombie shit.
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And you're right, it was shit. And you're also right, it's not the kid's fault. That thing just sucks donkeys. But The more you watch the original instead, the more the memory of the new one will fade.
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Jan 13, 2010 10:05:20 PM CST
Carpenter/Howarth DID add some extra score cues to The Thing
by nasty in the pasty
The main title, as well as some "stinger" synth cues, were added to the film. Plus, a lot of Morricone's more orchestral cues were dropped in favor of the Carpenter-esque "bum...bum-bum..." main theme tracked all over the place.
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We also knew that several characters were getting off the island on Lost, but the compelling thing was seeing HOW they were going to manage this. It's like the Tarantino thing of starting off at some random point in the story, and continually flashing back and forwards to fill in the cracks.
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Had real high hopes for the game a bunch of years ago but it was just boring and that the 'trust system' they touted was lame.I kinda like the idea above of having the Thing escape early, ala Zombie 2, and thats why Windows cant reach anyone.
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You just switch into a stony voice and say: Right! or You know?!!
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Carpenter's thing was not a remake of the B+W movie, but an adaptation of the short story....sticking far closer to that story than the B+W version did.
When/if this comes out I hope it does well (assuming there's some quality to it I mean) then we could get a sequel along the vein of 'Rescue team finds frozen bodies of MacReady and Childs, mayhem ensues on mainland/cargo ship'. Perhaps MacReady's body could be partially burnt leading them to suspect that corpse, while it's really Childs' remains that contain the creature - able to thaw out undisturbed while the attention is paid to Mac's corpse on the slab.
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Although I enjoyed both Casino Royale & Batman Begins, and this year Trek, I think they've started an unwelcome trend. Instead of sequels, where the story will be advanced and explored furthur in some way, we are getting totally unecessary origion stories. Prequels should only emerged if in the original there was an intriguing back story hinted at through dialogue, artifacts, flashbacks or whatever you like. If the viewers were left wanting to know more about where the beast came from, or what led up to the events that unfolded in the movie. In this case, nobody was really asking how exactly the Swedes died, we know they died and thats enough. If anything was desirable at the end of that movie it was a sequel, since we are left hanging regarding weither each or one of the guys was a Thing creature
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But I'm guessing with a dog running into the snow.
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that thing in the thing before the thing... movie.
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FUCKING HANDS OFF OF THIS!!!!!
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Wait a minute, what the hell is the second thing?
You know.. The thing with the thing?
Oh yeah.....That thing!
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This could be great, see the scope for a nice intro with the craft being forced down to earth thousands of years ago, then off with the Swedes.
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thats my title suggestion
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With subtitles. Prove you've got massive balls.
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Jan 14, 2010 3:54:41 AM CST
And good luck trying to compete with Ennio Morricone's score
by asimovlives
I bet the prequel guys will also fuck up the score. I bet the guy hired for the score will be one of Hans Zimmer minions, which will make the movie's score sound exactly like every other score for every other movie out there. Or they will hire that Tyler Bates hack, Mr Pastiche guy, or that idiot Marco Brambilla or whatever the fuck is the name of that guy who made the sleep inducing scores for The Scream movies and the latest Terminator Shit movie.
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A Thing set lose in a high-school killing anoying teens in a very gory fashion, it would be one of thos emovies so bad it's good. I would pay to watch that. The gorier the deaths the better.
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In Antarctic Base 2, we're the certain THINGS who, stay at home every night, never quarrel or fight, AW, WE DON'T EVEN BITE!!! SO DON'T YELL HELP! HELP! here comes THE THING! HELP! HELP! here comes THE THING! HELP! HELP! here comes THE THING! LET'S SPLIT!!! HELP! IT'S THE THING!!!
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If you ask me, Danzig's best stuff was Samhain (Post Misfits of course)I love both versions of Lords of the Left Hand. (Being a lefty myself, it's almost like an anthem. lol)Never really cared for his current Band, but he had a few good hits i.e. Mother and Dirty Black Summer.Glenn's a genius, albiet an evil genius.;)
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some extras that were orignally included in the dvd were omitted but it has a great high res quality especially in 1080p.I'm still waiting for the Escape from NY BD, however, from what I have read, EFLA has more of a chance to make the blu-ray transition than EFNY.That fucking sucks!
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I heard that most of the effects shot for the original looked crap.
They had to edit like crazy to get something respectable.
There are shots that are obviously compromized. The creature that bursts from the chest is clearly puppeted from the air con unit on the ceiling because the head is pinned in place.
The spider head doesn't do any real scuttling, it looks a bit static.
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Some critics pissed and moaned that the tone was too dark in the first installment and there were no women. Well, whopptie shit, that's part of what made the movie a cult classic. The last thing this needs is a 20-something painting herself like some kind of warrior and going after the thing like AVP. This will only be good if they don't joke it up, try to make it a romantic affair or allow Steve Miner within a 100 miles of it.
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The mystery is part of the charm and why THE THING is so good. To explain the cracks is to cheappen it. Not every mystery needs to be explained. In fact, many time,s the explaination ruins it. THE THING is a case in point.
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I saw this article and immediately thought "I wonder how they'll shoehorn Americans into the mix." I just hope the alien has a nice cunt to burrow into in the casting department.
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Yeah I knew it was based on the book. But I still called it a remake because regarding the point of the post, it wasn't a film called "Who goes there" and the studio suits greenlit it as a remake of the first film. They didn't care that it was completely different to the earlier goofy-headed guy and more true to the source material. They loosened the purse strings for an update on one of their old classics. Sorry I know I wasn't clear about that. However to us, I guess it's the remake you have when you're not having a remake. Or maybe that wanky term "re-imagining" is more accurate.
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SOME THING IS WRONG WITH YOU, GIRL!
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is that the cleverest thing about the ambiguous ending is that when the film stopped YOU kept going, wondering who was who or rather what. It stays with you past the lobby (originally) and when you turn the light off (at home), it kept going - out of the theatre or living room and into your life. It didn't really end! And if the sequel was the same trapped-in-a-room scenario with only the window dressing changed as in the on-a-ship example, well how bloody redundant can you get?
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Was absolutely brilliant though , come on !
Had me on the edge of my fucking seat when I was a teenager watching it.
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than the HD-DVD version - I'm a Blu-ray guy, but I've seen the comparison pics and they did a quick botch-job using some DNR and auto stuff to reduce blotches and scratches. As a result it's not quite as detailed as the HD DVD from the same master.
I'd much rather the odd scratch and blotchy bit and retain overall sharpness and picture quality if they're not able to do a proper restoration (apparently they didn't have the budget to do that on this title) than setting it to auto and dulling down the whole thing. Maybe most people wouldn't be bothered but it shits me because it's still slightly inferior when they could've just left it alone and dumped the HD-DVD version onto the Blu-ray. The sound WAS improved though. It's still great and I'd never noticed the nose-ring and stuff before, but just giving you the facts. So much better than the previous versions though. -
EFNY did come out on Blu in England, and it looks like complete shit. Avoid it, it's arguably worse than the DVD version.
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Wow! That's quite something, isn't it?
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That was one of the best sci-fi films of the 50's. And it still holds up remarkably well.
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Is To Give It a Body Snatchers Twist, Has The Thing Be A Wide Spread Pandemic. It Would Go Beyond Snatchers In The Fact That Not Only Humans, By Any Living Creature Could Be One Of These Things. As Was Said Before, If You Just Repeat The Small Scale Out Break OF The First Film Then Whats The Point, Raise The Stakes
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Was 100% Ennio Morricone. I own it and it is simply 100% kick ass and unlike most of the stuff Morricone did (both weird and conventional). I think that soundtrack is ultimately (eventually) what inspired Carpenter and his work with Allan Holwarth (they did all the sequencing and music for many of Carpenter's films).And I agree with DocP..."The Thing" is an almost perfect horror movie. If such a thing as "perfect" actually exists, Carpenter's "The Thing" comes the closest too it...and in terms of soundtrack? Morricone's work is the best I've ever heard for any horror movie, ever. That includes the Exorcist, Poltergeist, etc, etc...
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And it would make sense, make out that one of the guys from the first flick was The Thing and was rescued, bringing the monster into populated area. You could pick up the story today, as if the time since the first movie has actually passed, and the world has gone to hell
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Imagine The Thing turing into an elephant, sweet
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Yes,I know we are all dreading this damn movie,and any godawful romance angle they put in it.Americans,feisty females,black people?Some say it smacks of box-ticking,politically correct quotas,but that isnt true.The Norwegian sector of the North Sea oil industry employed women on their offshore rigs back in the 70s(years before the UK did),so its entirely feasible they might have a female scientist at an Antarctic base.Ditto Americans and Blacks-at the start of the NS oil boom there were hundreds of American Oil Industry staff and experts in the UK and Norway,since they had greater expertise,and the Brits/Norwegians needed that.So it is also plausible a few could be at a Norwegian scientific research station,in a supervisory capacity.After all,it was never explained what the research was for-they might have been looking for oil.That would also explain seismic charges.Personally,I think the move should simply be given the title of the original-The Thing From Another World.We should see inside the alien spacecraft,we should find out if the ship had other crew members-but we should NEVER find out what the Thing actually looks like in its natural state.That would kill the interest stone dead.Lets have the scientists die in horrible ways.Yes,we know how the movie ends,but lets not see the dog arrive at the US base-lets just see it approach.....then fade. This can neatly set up a third movie.Why dont we call this one Things?After all-Aliens,Predators.....etc.Simple premise here-both Macready and Childs survived,and neither is infected.Have a Norwegian rescue team arrive-to check out their base they have lost contact with,just like in Aliens.When they arrive,they find the place smashed up,everyone dead.So they head to the nearest US base to see if the Yanks know anything-where they find our two heroes,nearly dead.They take them back to HQ(could be a ship)and when revived,Mac and Childs start raving about the Thing,but they arent believed and get locked up,coz some doctor says they have gone mad after their frozen ordeal.The Norwegians then take off in a chopper,suitably tooled up with guns,and check out the space ship bit of the survivors story.Inside they go,get the power and heating on,and-out pop more Things.Could be good!Probably wont though.Btw,it would be fairly easy to make Kurt Russell and Keith David look younger-just use the same tech that was used on Bruce Willis in Surrogates.
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Yup,that post did go on a bit.....
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Ahh, so the effects suck for "The Thing" eh? Could benefit from CGI you say?You guys sound like Lucas patronizing Ridley Scott with the infamous "I'd have made the entire colliseum CGI!"CGI effects are now so commonplace and so typically ass that just saying CGI would fix it is meaningless. Who's CGI? Under what budget? D9 had excellent CGI with a tiny budget. Avatar has ground-breaking CGI with a mammoth budget. Star Trek had rather derivative CGI with a huge budget. Ghostrider had horrible CGI with a large budget. Obviously, just saying "CGI would fix that" is a hollow statement.Bottin did that work at the age of 23. What were we all doing at that age? Some of you likely are that age now and while you don't have to be a working f/x artist to critique Bottin's work, my guess is you are not doing anything remotely equivalent in terms of creating or producing something of that quality in your own context. You likely punch a clock and go to school like most of us did at that age. Or you're a punkass. Or, like Bottin or Bryan Singer at 29 when he directed 'The Usual Suspects', you are the distinct exception...
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"(best movies of all time have no love interests)"
Not sure I agree. The Terminator and Blade Runner have vital romance components. Then again, are you counting "love interest" as something quite specific, something that is essentially orthogonal to the main plot and could be cut out without really affecting the story? (In neither of the two films I mentioned is that the case.) -
I guess a lot of folks think that the 50s version, since it didn't really follow the original story at all, was nothing more than a Frankenstein-sort of creature feature set in the Antarctic which really shouldn't have even been associated with the story Who Goes There? at all. Carpenter's on the other hand took it almost page for page in large part and delivered the goods. Don't get me wrong, The 50s Thing is fine for what it is, but it's not exactly a masterpiece, imho...
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Prince of Darkness could have and should have been such a cool movie, but Carpenter fucked it all up by putting Alice Cooper in it, among other things...
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That much is painfully clear. Da ting,dæ tingå, and so on. Without Norway`s fleet and sailors during ww2 you would all be Germans today:) "do some reading" Also love the coment about the CGI being bad in the 1982 film LOL that is a priceless comment made by an under twenty year old who most likely also thinks "Empire" is the "boringest" of the star wars films:)
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I keed, i keed. :) Norway is great.
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...They'll make a 3D IMAX CGI Thing prequel explaining how Antarctica got to freeze in the first place.
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Well,Carpenters movie didnt have,or need,a romantic subplot-and quite honestly,I think most of us would agree such an addition would have been to the movies detriment.But it all depends on the target audience-fans of the 82 classic know what they want,ie more of the same.But newbies?Most likely to be teenagers or twentysomethings-they will want action immediately,not a slow build up to it,or character and plot developement.Kids wont understand early 80s technology-no mobiles,no internet,satellite phones.So dont be surprised if,very soon,the powers that be announce this is a reboot of the Thing"franchise",and totally ignore Carpenters movie.In a parallel universe somewhere,you can buy a blu-ray box set of The Thing Trilogy,featuring the three classics all directed by John Carpenter,all of which made billions and won Oscars.......
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It's actually fun to adopt that lingo. Any non-American who's white is automatically a "Hey Swedes!". Any bird flying or taking off is a "Fly Pelicans!" (Scarface, Pacino) anything technological is "Freakin laserbeams for eyes!" (variation of Austin Powers) and so on...try it kids! You'll LOVE it!
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Even though WE think it is really, really good now...That Carpenters THE THING was a MASSIVE bomb at the boxoffice. The suits are probably trying to analyze why this was and came up with bullshit answers like: "No women! gotta reach that female demographic! No cruelty to animals! Too bleak of an ending! WHAT WAS IN THE SPACESHIP, No answers to anything! Gaah, CANNOT COMPUTE, STUDIO IMPLANT OVERLOADING *BOOM*"
Hey suits: The real reasons The thing underperformed
1. It went up against E.T
2. The General public, generally wants a happy movie going experience.
See point 1.
No money to be made here suits.
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So we're supposed to have more empathy towards the two unlucky Norwegians that chase a fake Husky into an American outpost? Where's the surprise? We know they fare worse than the Americans, but rub our noses in the fact they, sadly, couldn't warn Blair, Macready and the rest of the US outpost.
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...I wanna come back to the camp. I feel better now. I'm fine. I'm not a danger to myself or anyone else.
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only problem is that the woman's not Norwegian. She's American and there's also an American helicopter pilot. The only thing (haw!) I think could be cool is that apparently all the Norwegians speak in their own language and the American gets increasingly neurotic about it. Which is a nice twist on the mistrust and paranoia. It'll still suck balls though!
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Two Things race towards civilization in their rice rockets made from toasters and snowplow parts. Then they turn up the heat with lots of pseudo homo-erotic toothsome gaping maw action.
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I can't make comparisons to the HD-DVD version (as I preferred the PS3 instead of the HDDVD 360 Strap on.) But I can't doubt your opinion from what you have mentioned.However I'll take what I can get especially since the quality surpasses that of the standard DVD.......EFNY BD is worse than the regular DVD version?!?OUCH! I guess I'll hold on to my special edition DVD after all, at least my Samsung BDp-3600 is capable of upscaling to a better quality.Thanks for your input.Cheers (=
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Great idea, however it was already done well somewhat...Resident Evil 5.
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Then don't pay to see them.
People bitch about how Hollywood keeps pumping out crap, yet line up at the theater, or at Blockbuster to rent the shit.
If we all started suporting ORIGNAL movies, instead of the garbage, maybe Hollywood will get the message. -
Totally worth is just for the junk stuck in the toothsome gaping maw scene.
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Morricone did not do the entire score, it is obvious Carpenter and Howarth did many of the sound f/x and actually Carpenter scored the TRAILER music which is just AWESOME and makes me wish he'd have scored the entire movie!
An alternate Carpenter score based on the music in the trailer would rock! Go watch the trailer! -
bloody autofill and return!
Um, I meant to say thanks, that's all. And yeah you're right - I'm a bd/ps3 person too, but there's a site called the avs forums or something where they post comparison grabs in a non-ossy format so you can see EXACTLY what's going on between DVD, HD-DVD, BD, cable etc., and I still got the Blu 'cause like we both said it's still so much better than the sd dvd. I don't regret it, but it does piss me off that they they coud've just left it alone and ported the picture straight over. The uncompressed sound is good though.
As for Escape, gah. I don't get it. At least they've realised what a shit job they did with Scorsese's Gangs of New York which is another one worse than the sd version and they're re-doing it. The other generally acknowledged dog's breakfast is Patton, where they DNRd it into a wax-fest. Even more bizarre because if grain was so offensive, that was shot in 70mm so would've had much finer grain to START with! Leone's Good the Bad & the Ugly sucks too. There IS a fantastic looking German (I think) version which shits all over it but no English subs. I really don't get why when frame rates are no longer an issue nor different resolutions they even do separate encodes any more (yeah probably distribution rights but technically I mean), but I guess it's good that sometimes they do.
BTW the American BD of Robocop is pretty sucky quality-wise, but the O.S. one is much better.
I dunno, for the first time we have a home medium where films actually look like films, and they're still going on with craziness like degraining into waxy oblivion and backwards with still cropping aspect ratios... insane!
Anyway there's your little list of Blu-rays to avoid, hope it helps! -
Because it takes Carpenter's basic cues, but Morricone knows where the 70s/80s synth sound is thin and supplements it appropriately so it doesn't distract from the mood. Yet he restrains himself from going full-on orchestral.
Best of both worlds. I love it! -
The final few minutes of this movie is intercut with footage of the 1982 movie. Anyway, the character sheet clashes with the Carpenter version by having the chopper pilot as American since the last 2 Norwegians spoke to each other only in Norwegian and one of them was the pilot.
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The first three or four times I saw "Prince of Darkness" on cable, I thought it one of the shittiest horror movies ever made. By the fifth or sixth time I saw it, I began to realize HOW FUCKING CLOSE Carpenter got to making a new "Exorcist".Maybe with a bigger budget, a better cast...wow. Almost.
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As the helicopter pilot is being played by "that guy who played Owen Lars in the star wars prequels" What a way to go..... JA VI ELSKER !!
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