“I’ve been reading it over and over again – well, I’m 45 now, so for 30 years. The fun story, actually, is that there were six books in that first series that Frank Herbert wrote. Every time I was going to buy a new one – because I couldn’t buy all six at one time – I was reading the previous ones so I would not forget anything. So, by the time I bought the sixth book I had already read the first one six times! So, I’m a hardcore fan.” [EDIT] “[My movie] is all about the first book. I’m trying to be very respectful to the original novel,”...says Pierre HERE. As we mentioned yesterday, looks like Vin Diesel is ramping up one or more RIDDICK movies - the most recent of which certainly had DUNE flavoring. At the rate things are going, Vin's project and DUNE could hit screens at roughly the same time. Should the next RIDDICK perpetuate the mythology advanced by CHRONICLES OF RIDDICK, it'll be interesting to see how it'll play in close proximity to Herbert's time-tested material.
Jan. 12, 2010, 11:24 a.m. CST
Just make Jodorowsky and Moebius' version already.
Jan. 12, 2010, 11:28 a.m. CST
than Lynch's version. And all the more considering it was written in the early 60s. It was much closer in tone to "300" than Lynchs. And, Lynch wouldn't know action if his life depended on it. Nope, this one could use a reboot.
Jan. 12, 2010, 11:28 a.m. CST
...Taken was okay. I'm not seeing that piece of crap your currently showing. However, you have one chance at an IP that would make you. Don't fuck it up.
Jan. 12, 2010, 11:29 a.m. CST
...but does he, as a director, have the talent to make the film about the intended sociopolitical allegory, rather than a generic sci-fi action-adventure film?
Jan. 12, 2010, 11:37 a.m. CST
Jan. 12, 2010, 11:38 a.m. CST
...And there is zero chance that this will be good. None whatsoever. He's not bad at what he does, but Dune is far, far beyond his capabilities. That's all there is to it.
Jan. 12, 2010, 11:41 a.m. CST
If a faithful Dune came out the same year as Riddick, it would be like my Episode 1 year. I'd probably just sleep outside. However, that aside, if Piter is reciting a non-canon mantra about setting mine in motion and has huge eyebrows, or is played by Jude Law, count me the FUCKKKKK out. Keep this one international. Cast French, German, and other European actors so we don't have to sit through a piece of shit. And get Miroslav Taborsky back for Count Fenring. He kicked fucking ass in that role on the tv thing.
Jan. 12, 2010, 11:42 a.m. CST
by Wolfman Nards
Liam Neeson was the ONLY reason why that went to theaters. And why he did that movie is beyond me. Dune doesn't stand a chance with this guy at the helm.
Jan. 12, 2010, 11:43 a.m. CST
by Wolfman Nards
Jan. 12, 2010, 11:46 a.m. CST
Taken was great, I wish him the best.
Jan. 12, 2010, 11:49 a.m. CST
he sounds like he knows his shit.. more than myself for sure at least. It's nice when a real fan gets a chance like this. Be happy for him guys. Is that too much to ask?
Jan. 12, 2010, 11:51 a.m. CST
First of all, why should we be happy for him? We don't know the guy. And the fact that he likes the book and is a true fan doesn't magically make him equipped to direct it.
Jan. 12, 2010, 11:53 a.m. CST
i got the Dune mini a long time ago and still haven't seen it. Now this has me interested. Who ever the company was that released that DVD is, they totally blew as far as the extras go. There was a roundtable on there with Ellison and a bunch of other writers, that i literally tried to see for an hour before i gave up. There was no clear cut way to view the extras, it's like they would appear when they felt like it, at random. I never had a problem looking at extras on any of my hundreds of other DVDs. I hope that problem was corrected on future releases but there's no way i'm double dipping. I'll just see if i can watch the mini the whole way through (hopefully without aggravation.)
Jan. 12, 2010, 11:56 a.m. CST
Most important is a good script, of course. On a purely visual level I hope they get some things right. For example shooting loads of desert scenes in actual deserts instead of green rooms. CG landscapes just don't breathe. Give me some knife work instead of gunfights. And I really want to se some well made ornithopters that deserve the name. Hope it doesn't get too avatarish. Oh, and some four hours running time would be nice, too.
Jan. 12, 2010, 12:02 p.m. CST
by DC Films
...as a mirror to way the middle east is ever more treated as a resource for the rest of us.<p>Avatar also ripped off Dune in that respect, so Riddick's in good company.
Taken was an absolute blast. The guy has talent in spades. You want brutal gritty fremen hand to hand? Pierre is your man.
Jan. 12, 2010, 12:08 p.m. CST
And Taken kicked ass. Now, reading that the guy's so close to Herbert's source material, I've gone from being intrigued as to what this he can do with it, to flat out excited. Can't wait. I love the hell out of Lynch's version, warts and all, but there's obviously room for improvement. Dune's to science fiction what Lord of the Rings is to fantasy, in a lot of ways, and it'd be nice to see it as widely recognized.
Jan. 12, 2010, 12:10 p.m. CST
so I can't comment on this vid. But I doubt the director of Taken has the chops to make Dune. Shai-hulud!
Jan. 12, 2010, 12:22 p.m. CST
needs to reform like Voltron and do the soundtrack!
Jan. 12, 2010, 12:27 p.m. CST
And they turned out just amazing didn't they? You couldn't even say Watchmen wasn't faithful it was slavishly so. You can be too faithful to the source material, allowances have to be made to make text translate to the medium of film effectively.
Jan. 12, 2010, 12:39 p.m. CST
"Qune" or GTFO.
Jan. 12, 2010, 12:41 p.m. CST
by Karl Hungus
Filmmakers who are more worried about what the Comic Con crowd thinks than they are about making a great movie need to have their director licenses revoked. Or at least suspended.
Jan. 12, 2010, 12:41 p.m. CST
With a special appearance as Baron Vladimir Harkonnen
Jan. 12, 2010, 12:45 p.m. CST
and salvation is a big pile of shit. Pierre Morel movies are crap and his Dune will be a big pile of Kull Wahad garbage!
Jan. 12, 2010, 12:49 p.m. CST
by Levon Swift
Christopher Nolan, before he made Batman Begins and The Dark Knight.
Jan. 12, 2010, 1:05 p.m. CST
by Nice Marmot
. . . before he made The Shining.
Jan. 12, 2010, 1:08 p.m. CST
"Just make Jodorowsky and Moebius' version already." Uh... have you ever read what Jodorowsky was going to do with the movie? It would've been so far removed from the book. True... Lynch can't direct action scenes (Though the knife fights are ok - and in truth he went with the wierding modules since they didn't want a "kung-fu" movie and you know how good 80's american made kung-fu movies were! It wasn't til the matrix came around that things started getting better. So I think they made an ok compromise.), and many of the optical special effects suck (I'm talking about you ornithopters), but he got the atmosphere right, he got the cast almost right (Never understood Linda Hunt's casting though, apart from Lynch being odd), the sets are fucking amazing, the designs of the various vehicles unique (Come on... how many 80's space ships flew "sideways"), and the ENTIRE script (Not the hacked up theatrical release or the butchered Extended release) is right on track. The sci-fi mini series on the other hand had a MUCH longer running time but dear Me! The production design on that one SUCKS - come on... Sardaukaur that look like 12th century Swiss Guard with big floppy hats. Actors with about as much charisma as a cardboard box (Yes William Hurt... I am talking about you as Duke Leto). Still they did have the "benefit" of more modern effects (Though I think someone said the worms had to be as different as possible from the Lynch film... cos they are more like carnivorous leech things) and of course they could really get "into" the meat of the story with the extended run time. I am happier about Pierre Morel doing this than Peter Burg. However, I have only seen taken - which was VERY much made by the casting of Liam Neeson. I am not going to bash anyone until I see a finished product and I wish Pierre all the best as I would love to see a REALLY great film adaptation of Dune. However, he has a LOT to prove and it's going to take a HUGE effort on the part of EVERYONE involved... not just him... to make it work out successfully... And I suspect the studio will want something more marketable than what Dune "the novel" really is.
Jan. 12, 2010, 1:10 p.m. CST
The Nolan Batman films are FAR from perfect. I still get much more of a rush watching the first Burton film, flawed though it is...
Jan. 12, 2010, 1:10 p.m. CST
Since he's a hardcore fan of the books, there's a chance he does a good job with it. I'm still not %100 sold on the idea of him directing.
Jan. 12, 2010, 1:11 p.m. CST
Just worries the crap out of me. Dune isn't an action film, though it obviously has sequences that can reflect action. But the story itself is equal parts politics, technology, philosophy, and religion. Any version that attempts to excise the deeper elements of the novel are bound to disappoint anyone who values the novel for those reasons, while any attempt to prioritize them are probable ways to ensure box office catastrophe. No one wins with Dune. Dammit. Ridley Scott, where are you when we need you?
Jan. 12, 2010, 1:11 p.m. CST
My Dune "Special Edition" project: http://dunese.blogspot.com/ See test animations at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oo5QIwNU3U LOL
Jan. 12, 2010, 1:12 p.m. CST
This guy is the real deal. I don't know if this is the sort of material he'll really excell with (id have preferred to see him given the next Bond outing) but I think with Morel at the helm this has a shot at being great.
Jan. 12, 2010, 1:14 p.m. CST
Would be great of course... this really does need a director with experience with complex naratives AND epic action. However, he missed his chance and I doubt would even be interested by now. (Still you never know your luck when you haven't got a gun!)
Jan. 12, 2010, 1:18 p.m. CST
Jan. 12, 2010, 1:25 p.m. CST
He's my new favorite actor since I watched his astonishing performance in Bronson. He has a big range and perfect pitch and he's still a young guy.
Jan. 12, 2010, 1:26 p.m. CST
Tom Hardy as Feyd! He would be utterly terrifying.
Jan. 12, 2010, 1:30 p.m. CST
Nolan understands the characters far more than Burton ever did. I'm not sure what a 'perfect' film is, aside from maybe The Godfather, but Batman Begins is a damn good one, and if Dark Knight isn't a masterpiece, I don't know what is.
Jan. 12, 2010, 1:42 p.m. CST
That thinks Dune is pretty un-filmable? I mean, I thought Berg was wrong, this Morel guy doesn't seem much better, but to be honest, I couldn't tell you who's "right"<br><br>It's just that people bemoaned all the "political mumbo-jumbo" of the Star Wars prequels, and about 50% of Dune is the same mumbo-jumbo, which is interesting in a novel, but doesn't film terribly well. The bigger problem is, all the political maneuvering is what drives the plot forward, so if you cut most of it (as Lynch did) the audience is lost.
Jan. 12, 2010, 1:56 p.m. CST
6 times,yes sure.But what is the poor guy gonna say,when a LOT off directors who should have knøwn better,have set an idiotic presedens .Like its their god given right to blow out of proportions,if not outright lie about the source materials impact on theyre lifes.sorry for ranting
Jan. 12, 2010, 1:59 p.m. CST
by David Cloverfield
only sucked, because a: it was a movie for kids b: it wasn't really complex, didn't make sense and wasn't that interesting. Dune CAN be done. Sci-fi movies can't only be about laser pistols blazing, or silent contemplation of the universe and our place in it. There CAN be a political thriller/science fiction movie. (From what I heard JMS's World War Z movie script is exactly that. too bad I don't think we'll ever see it.)
Jan. 12, 2010, 2 p.m. CST
It's too choppy, it was badly cut as there are visibly very missing link scenes and it was in no way as good, for me at least, As Nolan's Batman Begins. I will say however without exagerrating, it does have one of the greatest modern movie performances by Ledger which makes it all the more fucking annoying he was so stupid with his medications - he would have been one of the best given another 30 years of films. As to this Dune, I'm optimistic - this guy can direct and he has vision. I actually love Lynch's version - visually, it is perfect as an adaption could have hoped to be. What he did with the story was a different matter but it was still good. I really, really loved SciFi's adaptions of Dune through Children of Dune. So if he can top either, I'll be ecstatic. Dune is a sacred story, beautiful from start to end. Really looking forward to this.
Jan. 12, 2010, 2 p.m. CST
Ridley Scott's already made this movie once - he called it KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.
Jan. 12, 2010, 2:11 p.m. CST
but I think that ED Harris is the perfect director or this project. Appalossa is handeled with great detail and it is so subtle that it fits in line with Dune, plus ED would make a bad ass Stilgar.
Jan. 12, 2010, 2:18 p.m. CST
Ed Harris would make an awesome Stilgar. Not sure about his directing though but you could be right. Personally, I'd love to see Bobcat Goldthwaite get the gig. He's an incredibly gifted director and I'd love to see him do a massive project some time. Reckon he'd step up to the plate really well. I know, left field choice but it's not as crazy as it sounds. He's got a gift for quiet scenes, riotous humour, framing and pacing plus he knows what particular material needs. I'd l;ove to see him do this. Imagine Bobcat Goldthwaite's Dune being better than any adaption previously - how crazy would that be.
Jan. 12, 2010, 2:20 p.m. CST
Jan. 12, 2010, 2:21 p.m. CST
WTF? Riddick had a 'Dune flavouring'???? I can't even begin to IMAGINE how you can compare those two. Oh wait, they are science fiction! Both are great properties, but there's no basis for comparison.
Jan. 12, 2010, 2:23 p.m. CST
I'm not sure how it's "badly cut," as I thought the editing was perfectly paced. Do you want to watch someone walk the entire length of a corridor for 60 seconds, or do you want the editor to get the story moving? Do you want the film to be in real time? Not sure what your complaint is here.
Jan. 12, 2010, 2:23 p.m. CST
and I don't get it either.
Jan. 12, 2010, 2:27 p.m. CST
It was in my original post and dont take it as an attack on the film, there is no need to be facetious. I love the film. But it's not as well done as it's made out to be. Scenes cut to other scenes several times with no logical progression. It felt very jarring to me on more than a few occasions. The editing may have been perfectly paced for you, to me I was left thinking a third of the movie was still needing to be shown.
Jan. 12, 2010, 2:27 p.m. CST
Goldthwaite would be interesting my only fear would be that he might be too odd like Lynch. Dune is the expression of our world only evolved so it needs to be grounded in reality and not another surrealist vision, IMO.
Jan. 12, 2010, 2:28 p.m. CST
1) Jodorowsky did not read the novel, boasting that he did not need to, to bring his vision to Dune. WTF!<p> 2) Moebius's designs were... not good <p> 3) Chris Foss's designs were awesome.<p> 4) Jodorowsky's treatment was shit<p>
Jan. 12, 2010, 2:29 p.m. CST
... is if it was part of an ongoing "Dune Chronicles" series of movies that would go from book to book, ala Lord of the Rings and such.<br><br>We've already seen the first book adapted twice... let's move forward. There's other great Dune novels to explore.
Jan. 12, 2010, 2:30 p.m. CST
gimme some Dune II vibe ala Westwood Studios anytime!
Jan. 12, 2010, 2:34 p.m. CST
He's pretty great at intimate movies, character progression which blown up to the level of Dune would be what was needed. He's got the gift of breaking down ordinary life into the crazy place it really is, but without being all the way into the surreal. I know it will never happen in a million years but I genuinely think it's a shame, he'd bring us one hell of an interesting Dune, to say the least.
Jan. 12, 2010, 2:43 p.m. CST
No, not really. None of the other novels hold a torch to Dune. I liked Children of Dune, and Messiah of Dune, but they are nowhere near as interesting or exciting as the first. The less said about the others - especially Chapterhouse Dune - the better... Also the 'sequels' written by his son are totally crap. In fact they are worse; if you're a fan, reading them will MAKE YOU ANGRY!!!1
Jan. 12, 2010, 2:50 p.m. CST
On an abstract level, Dune is a meditation on the ego's predations on stability. A rebellion against the pre-determined life and a corrupt aristocracy. Throwing off the shackles of debauchery and returning to a more pure mode of life. It is the story of a boy's rise to manhood, as well as man's rise to godhood. On a mundane level--it is a story whose whose cast of characters include cutthroats, betrayers, schemers, and warriors. Who said this movie isn't about Action?
Jan. 12, 2010, 2:50 p.m. CST
Have to say I agree with everything they've done from The Butlerian Jihad series onwards. The "House" series though was redable at least, and while nowhere as good a what Herbert himself had written even in the weaker Dune novels was a decent continuation. Everything else though has been shit of the highest magnitude.
Jan. 12, 2010, 2:52 p.m. CST
Heretics of Dune was pretty darn good. What do you have against that one? It contained the most distilled elements from the first book since--well, since the first book.
Jan. 12, 2010, 3:03 p.m. CST
That just makes it all fucking hunky dory then!! I'd read it at least 10 times by the time I was 17, bitch!!!! Twenty years later I've read it at least 15 more times. I think that makes me more fucking qualified than you!!!!!! Seriously however it seems that common sense has prevailed and the fact the movie is just going to be the first book is a start. But it really should be three films. That was the real problem with Lynch's version. The lack of time to tell the story correctly. And the Saudaukar have to be explained properly. If the film doesn't get across how utterly bad ass they are, it's going to be hard to sell how even more bad ass the Fremen are. And Paul.... don't even consider anyone over the age of 15 to play him. Ed Harris would make an unbelievable Stilgar. Good call however said that.
Jan. 12, 2010, 3:17 p.m. CST
Finally i agree with you on something (Terminator 4 and Watchmen sucking ass!).
Jan. 12, 2010, 3:26 p.m. CST
...it'll be the cinematic equivalent of the ass-raping of the original series that Brian "Live off my Father's talent" Herbert and Kevin "King of shit SF" Anderson have produced. What are they on now, "Shamelessness of Dune," the first book of a 62 book suckquel?
Jan. 12, 2010, 3:35 p.m. CST
have not been done right for sure but I think the Bene Gesserit have been neglected just as bad. I would really like to see them done well since they are so important to the continued story.
Jan. 12, 2010, 3:44 p.m. CST
Dune isnt unfilmable, its just very awkard to fit the whole book in a film, without boring the hell out of the audience, or without taking alot of shortcuts with the source. and on that basis (let alone the SyFy version pretty much covered the book quite well) unless Morel has some fantastic unique new spin on the material that no-one has ever considered, why do it, there are plenty of SF stories out there (some even set on desert planets) that have never been adapted for film or television, fit far more easily with the constraints of movies, and with todays computer generated special fx could be made to look every bit as impressive, and heck people might appreciate watching something new for a change and not the umpteenth remake
Jan. 12, 2010, 4:10 p.m. CST
Make it on tv instead. Less concessions have to be made. No cramming of the story either. What about HBO, no sci-fi on there? <p>Since they are putting dough into a fantasy project why not go with DUNE next? If HBO wants more geek material for programs and are thinking about producing something superhero related. How about a Sandman Mystery Theatre mini series. Or a QUESTION show? I could see that one, sorta like the X-FILES.</p>
Jan. 12, 2010, 4:57 p.m. CST
Place your bets now!
Jan. 12, 2010, 5:01 p.m. CST
It seems obvious they're going for a grittier, BSG take on the materiel. Which I think is a huge mistake<br><br>Call me kooky, but the movie in my head while reading the book was more David Lean than Paul Greengrass.
Jan. 12, 2010, 5:32 p.m. CST
Jan. 12, 2010, 5:45 p.m. CST
If the cast, writer, cinematographer, and composer are all insanely talented, it won't really matter that Pierre isn't that great of a director really... I mean if he gets all that stuff right, his love of the books should be enough to make this project good...
Jan. 12, 2010, 7:13 p.m. CST
David Lean! I completely agree. Dune should have a massive scope, not a bunch of gritty close-ups. How great would it be as an HBO series? I'd love to see that - one season for every book. I'd love to see God Emperor as a movie...
Jan. 12, 2010, 7:15 p.m. CST
I'd love to see God Emperor of Dune as a season of an HBO show. Although actually that's probably the one book in that series that might work as one movie, rather than as a miniseries. Anyway...
Jan. 12, 2010, 7:34 p.m. CST
If he is a hrado core fan then im not that woried
Jan. 12, 2010, 7:59 p.m. CST
...by Heath Ledger. People overrate the hell out of Dark Knight, which became a phenomenon because of the confluence of two factors: 1. Heath Ledger gave one of the greatest performances in film history. 2. Heath Ledger died tragcally shortly before the movie came out. Take Heath Ledger out of the film, and it makes half as much money. I don't care if you cast Johnny Depp or Russell Crowe, or whoever in that role. Its not the same. The movie itself was NOT a masterpiece. It was a well-crafted movie, that was made mesmerizing because you were watching a genius performance by an actor who just died.
Jan. 12, 2010, 8:05 p.m. CST
It is far too dense and complex to be made into a film shorter than 5 hours long. Lynch's version was an abortion, frankly. People who praise it apparently never read the damn books. The only director who could possibly come close to making a good Dune film -- that included all the requisite layers and complexities and pacing necessary -- would be Stanley Kubrik, and he's dead. Of living, modern directors, I could see Ang Lee possibly taking a stab at it. Or even Nolan, perhaps. Someone with a ton of intelligence in his or her movie-making.
Jan. 12, 2010, 8:09 p.m. CST
Jan. 12, 2010, 8:38 p.m. CST
by frank cotton
is scouting locations
Jan. 12, 2010, 8:44 p.m. CST
All the interest little tiny snippets of information garner on sites like AICN show that people are interested, too. Even if they're just interested in seeing how bad he screws it up. <br><br>Riddick, what? No interest.<br>
Jan. 12, 2010, 8:47 p.m. CST
With Gary Busey as PP, Jessica Simpson as GS, and Elizabeth Berkley as MJ.
Jan. 12, 2010, 9:41 p.m. CST
I love both of Nolan's batfilms, loved Batman Begins more. I see both films as the success of what Ang Lee had hoped to achieve with Hulk. Nolan knows how to balance the drama with the action and make it all cool. Hulk had just as much action and just as much drama, but Lee had no idea how to balance that. The action scenes were twenty minutes too long. The (lame) drama dragged on and on and made me want for some anti-depressants. The Dark Knight's main character is Batman. There are a lot of scene stealers, but he is the focal point. All that happens in the movie is happening to him. Batman has so many influences in his life and showed that Batman and Bruce Wayne are note merely dual roles, but Bruce has to be the rich bad boy, the scary hero, the man Rachel once loved, the Bruce that Alfred knows and so on. The cuts were not to reduce the films running time, but to show that life, especially this one, evolves constantly and is effected by all of the people and their actions. The point of the end of the first film and the beginning of this one was escalation. There is no resolution, only evolution.
Jan. 12, 2010, 9:56 p.m. CST
As long as this director does not totally fuck up Dune it will piss all over whatever the next Riddick film throws out. Can you not understand that Riddick after the first film was just a horrible derivative of many better sci-fi / fantasy concepts, hence why it was so shit....Necromongers, Underverse, Furians, jesus, George Lucas could have written these names and ideas. Whereas Dune is and always will be a startlingly original vision of humanity's future. Of course then Herbert's son and accomplice in crime came along and did exactly the same derivative hackjob on Frank Herbert's original vision to grab some money. But please do not compare the original Dune material and anything that the Riddick series may bring in any form.
Jan. 12, 2010, 11:08 p.m. CST
As I've said, I love it. But those obviously cut scenes were bad editing choices pure and simple. Transitions between scenes shouldn't be jarring by such a degree unless that was the intent to show duality as sometimes is explored by way of editing contrasting scenes. That was not the case in Dark Knight. Where I found the film lacking was in transition where material had quite obviously been cut - not where Nolan was intentionally exploring the movies themes. Like I said, I love the film however another poster above put it very well - I'm paraphrasing but they pointed out it's a genuinely great film that has certain flaws, however is elevated further by one of the great movie performances by an actor who rather idiotically snuffed himself before it's release. It's a great film no question. Bit it is no masterpiece and it's editing at least was the worst of Nolan's films so far as an overall movie. Don't take my opinions a some form of attack, they're not - but I simply don't see it as a masterpiece the way some claim to.
Jan. 12, 2010, 11:44 p.m. CST
I read the book when I was in high school and loved it. Tried like hell to watch the '84 version but it hurt mah heart. With the technology we have today, I'm sure it can be done and be done well...but PLEASE GOD DON'T FUCK IT UP!
Jan. 12, 2010, 11:52 p.m. CST
Now you *would* say that, wouldn't you?
Jan. 12, 2010, 11:56 p.m. CST
They could give it a REALLY dangerous vibe by making the Fremen a bit Taliban-like. Really, the Fremen were religious nutcases. It always makes me laugh when I remember that 'the jews' turned up in later Herbert books.<p> Despite all this, I really, really want a great Dune movie. Bring it on home Pierre...
Jan. 13, 2010, 12:52 a.m. CST
by Man in Suit
I read "Dune" for the first time last summer and really liked it but heard that the sequels "Dune Messiah", etc. are pretty bad, set thousands of years in the future, etc. Is that true?
Jan. 13, 2010, 1:54 a.m. CST
All of the sequels written by Frank Herbert are very good. It's get pretty complex with the Leto II, the God Emperor, Honoured Matres, Face Dancers etc but if you reread them, it all ties up well. Don't bother going anywhere near the stuff written after by Brian Herbert and Kevin Anderson, it's poorly written rubbish with banal plotting, irrational and inconsistent characters and ends up trashing the whole premise of the original Dune series.
Jan. 13, 2010, 4:48 a.m. CST
Always seemed like the epic sweep of the first novel was crushed down into a BBC-costume-drama "palace intrigue" approach for MESSIAH and CHILDREN. GOD EMPEROR was talky and preachy as fuck, and HERETICS/CHAPTERHOUSE were leading into an unfinished new series at Herbert's death, which Brian Herbert/Anderson finished without Herbert's gift for prose.<p> If you REALLY dug the original DUNE, I'd recommend an enthusiast actually move sideways into similar works, like Asimov's FOUNDATION TRILOGY (which is one big book, really...and again, the follow-ups are kind of iffy), Pynchon's GRAVITY'S RAINBOW (if you like giving your brain a work out researching minutiae) or Neil Stephenson's ANATHEM (has a DUNE-like complexity, complete with its own lexicon and timeline).
Jan. 13, 2010, 6:30 a.m. CST
Not as great as Dune itself, but darm good read. even the futher sequels do add dome interesting notions and details to the saga, but they progressively get less interesting on the whole.
Jan. 13, 2010, 7:15 a.m. CST
The Syfy mini-series of Dune Messiah and Children of Dune (simply called "Children of Dune") is actually better than their "Dune" mini-series...and manages to streamline a lot of the Herbertian weirdness of the text sequels.
Jan. 13, 2010, 7:30 a.m. CST
Dune should be done as a trilogy or don't do it all. You all know this movie will run two and half hours and will be a disaster. From Dune to DINO. So, either do it as a trilogy or just leave it alone. Everything doesn't have to be turned into a movie. Just read the damn book. It's okay.
Jan. 13, 2010, 7:38 a.m. CST
No ShakeyCam, s'il vous plait.
Jan. 13, 2010, 7:42 a.m. CST
Jan. 13, 2010, 7:58 a.m. CST
When the director is such a "great fan"...
Jan. 13, 2010, 8:14 a.m. CST
Lord of the Ring only really went wrong, as such, with the 3rd movie. And the least said about the movie WATCHMENT the better.
Jan. 13, 2010, 9:19 a.m. CST
by Sailor Rip
That's about it. It's like mass hysteria or something. Somebody years ago proclaimed it the greatest sci-fi novel ever written and everone since is like "Oh ok I guess it is."
Jan. 13, 2010, 9:24 a.m. CST
No, it's not an OK book. It's an excelent book. It's one of the most ambitious stories ever put into writing form, not only on the Sf genre, but in all 20th century literature. It's scope can only be matched by such literary works as War And Peace.
Jan. 13, 2010, 11:41 a.m. CST
Trying to say the critical acclaim and unabashed readership love for Dune is some sort of bandwagon everyone jumped on is simply saying to haven't a clue about the novel. It's acclaimed for very good reason. When you've graduated from your copy of The Hungry Caterpillar and are ready for a book with actual paragraphs, giv it a go.
Jan. 13, 2010, 12:17 p.m. CST
"And the least said about the movie WATCHMEN the better."<p> Loved the WATCHMEN movie, actually.<p> But this just reminds me why another DUNE movie is such a waste of time...because EVERYBODY has an opinion on the book (or Lynch's version), NOBODY will be happy with it. And I'm already sensing this borderline resentment towards this Morel fellow that will eventually metastasize into outright hatred by its release.<p> He needs to walk away. Quickly.
Jan. 13, 2010, 12:17 p.m. CST
by Dr. Boozehound
...and neither have I... as it was almost 4 hours long and never finished. Dune is like Lawrence of Arabia, Star Wars, Lord of the Rings and Syrana all rolled into one. There is almost no chance of someone adapting it to film successfully. I can allow that Lynch's version seemed to be more dedicated to the internal spiritual and religious story (which I like a lot). I'd hate to see that aspect abandoned. The problem is that there's almost no way to do the Novel Justice in a single film. It's too big and the scope, plot, and tone are too rich for a proper rendering to be done in a single film. God love them for trying, but if you abandon one iota of the tone and spirit in order to bring forth any of approximately 50% of the plot that DeLaurentis and Lynch's version eliminated or worse yet in order to have more elaborate FX driven action sequences, it will be miserable. I know Lynch's action sequences bordered on clunky at times (was this Lynch making them etherial or budget?) but the sublime beauty of the sandworms and the weirding way must be maintained... made more exciting to be sure, but they must not lose any of their 'magic' or I swear I will hate this guy forever. Dune is like Lawrence of Arabia, Star Wars, Lord of the Rings and Syrana all rolled into one. There is almost no chance of someone adapting it to film successfully.
Jan. 13, 2010, 12:19 p.m. CST
How boring would that be? This project is really execution-dependant. Which means they need a better director than the guy who made TAKEN. My vote would be for Jean-Pierre Jeunet.
Jan. 13, 2010, 12:38 p.m. CST
I have to agree...everyone who's read the book and thinks it would make a great movie always focuses on the nifty knifefights and sandworm battles, forgetting that the novel has a MASSIVE amount of backstory and abstract exposition.<p> My favorite super-subtle moment: when the Baron sees a Spacing Guild rep with a missing contact lens...his eyes have turned black from spice addiction, and in that instant he realizes why Landsraad, the Emperor and the Guild have all converged on this seemingly irrelevant desert world and are so terrified of this Muad'dib guy. How the hell do you put THAT in a movie?
Jan. 13, 2010, 1:13 p.m. CST
I will.....cause I don't need all the predictable directors to direct all the movies that I enjoy... Besides, the guy has worked with Luc Besson on some really awesome stuff. I posted this before. It's not just the director that makes a film good. It's the team of people who work on it...And keep the studio people at bay ! Don't let them decide what the movie should be...don't let them ruin your vision !!!
Jan. 13, 2010, 1:52 p.m. CST
According to the Dune (film) wiki: In 1981, the nine-year film rights were set to expire. De Laurentiis re-negotiated the rights from the author, adding to them the rights to the Dune sequels (written and unwritten). After seeing The Elephant Man, Raffaella De Laurentiis decided that David Lynch should direct the movie. Around that time Lynch received several other directing offers, including Return of the Jedi. David Lynch directing Jedi? I don't know if I'd be ready for the Log Lady piloting an X-Wing fighter...I however would be totally into Harry Dean Stanton as a janitor on the Death Star. THAT would be entertainment, my friends!
Jan. 13, 2010, 3:02 p.m. CST
<p>Your too late buddy. Lynch already commented on this old rumour.</p> <p>It's on Youtube, check it out.</p> <p>And...NO it would NOT have been ok.</p> <p>If it would have been as fucked up and awesome(on a whole other level) as Lynch's other projects...</p> <p>THAT would have been a raping of childhoods.</p> <p>Shit, i bet there would be support groups for that movie today...</p> <p>No. Fuck that.</p> <p>ROTJ was great when i saw it.</p> <p>Still is.</p>
Jan. 13, 2010, 7:35 p.m. CST
I do admit to a certain bias on my part, yes :) I happily agree that most of the books after Dune were crap (messiah, god emperor) but Heretics has action, politics, and character development in spades.
Jan. 13, 2010, 8:41 p.m. CST
the movie will always come up short. The later novels of Dune are what really adds depth and color to the whole universe. For those owho hate "God emperor of Dune", you miss the whole point of the series. Someone should have the guts to go ahead and take on the entire series. Gonna probbaly cost a couple of billion dollars to produce and market over 15 years. But done right, it could make a few billion dollars in profit and be an awesome spectacle putting all other sci-fi in the dust. And it should all be done in 3-D.
Jan. 13, 2010, 9:10 p.m. CST
Dune was re-done for the scifi channel why are they doing this story again, another 4 hour snorefest, fighting over spices. Shit all that technology and they couldnt go off world to findthe fucking spices somewhere else! fuck that stupid shit!
Jan. 14, 2010, 3:42 a.m. CST
Looks like some people who read Frank Herbert's original sequels don't seem to understand the whole purpose of the books...it's all about humanity achieving its potential and spreading out so that it can never be oppressed or destroyed. That was Paul Atreides's vision and his son Leto II deliberately brutalises the people to cause the Scattering, the development of people who cannot be seen by those with precognition as well no-ships and alternatives to Arrakis. That is the Golden Path that both Paul and his son saw for humanity and they destroyed much to rebuilt something that would last forever. Anyway I thought Lynch's design was fantastic, the storytelling not so much. I really doubt any filmmaker can do Dune itself justice, so much for the whole original series. Lord of The Rings was challenging I'm sure on a technical / visualization front but the story is relatively straightforward when compared to Dune. As for the Foundation Series, a great series as well but I doubt again it can really be done justice on film. Interesting to note the similarity between what Hari Seldon did in Foundation and Paul Atreides did in Dune.
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