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Updated:Confirmed: Spidey 4 dead, Raimi and Maguire out and Studio going reboot route.
Harry here and whilst I've been about doing Yoko Birthday shopping - I've received a couple of communiques from a variety of sources via the magic of our digitally wireless age. The word is the Peter/MJ developments involved a "stork". Now, I doubt seriously a STORK was involved, but I think that crap was code for BABY, which makes my sphincter push out diamonds. Another longtime source told me we should collectively sigh a big sigh of relief, apparently the script and story were legendarily awful.
I also chatted with James Cameron back at Comic Con last year about SPIDER-MAN. And yes, Drew McWeeny is online talking about anyone that thinks Cameron could possibly be interested in SPIDER-MAN still is ... well, I can't remember the colorful metaphor that Drew attached, but it was this side of "fucking retarded".
Well, Jim still had the fire for Spidey back when I chatted with him. He seemed to have a regret, and wasn't intimidated in the least by the films that have come forward. He felt that nobody anywhere was prepared for what he would have done with Spidey. SO... Marvel... Sony... Give him a call. You'll never know unless you ask.
That said, I wonder how long between Spidey films it takes for rights to revert to MARVEL? If we're getting close, we'll get something rushed, if not - They should take their time.
Quint here again. The studio has put out a press release. Finke and Fleming were on target, it seems. Here's the release:
Culver City, CA (January 11, 2010) -- Peter Parker is going back to high school when the next Spider-Man hits theaters in the summer of 2012.
Columbia Pictures and Marvel Studios announced today they are moving forward with a film based on a script by James Vanderbilt that focuses on a teenager grappling with both contemporary human problems and amazing super-human crises.
The new chapter in the Spider-Man franchise produced by Columbia, Marvel Studios and Avi Arad and Laura Ziskin, will have a new cast and filmmaking team. Spider-Man 4 was to have been released in 2011, but had not yet gone into production.
“A decade ago we set out on this journey with Sam Raimi and Tobey Maguire and together we made three Spider-Man films that set a new bar for the genre. When we began, no one ever imagined that we would make history at the box-office and now we have a rare opportunity to make history once again with this franchise. Peter Parker as an ordinary young adult grappling with extraordinary powers has always been the foundation that has made this character so timeless and compelling for generations of fans. We’re very excited about the creative possibilities that come from returning to Peter's roots and we look forward to working once again with Marvel Studios, Avi Arad and Laura Ziskin on this new beginning,” said Amy Pascal, co-chairman of Sony Pictures Entertainment.
“Working on the Spider-Man movies was the experience of a lifetime for me. While we were looking forward to doing a fourth one together, the studio and Marvel have a unique opportunity to take the franchise in a new direction, and I know they will do a terrific job,” said Sam Raimi.
“We have had a once-in-a-lifetime collaboration and friendship with Sam and Tobey and they have given us their best for the better part of the last decade. This is a bittersweet moment for us because while it is hard to imagine Spider-Man in anyone else’s hands, I know that this was a day that was inevitable,” said Matt Tolmach, president of Columbia Pictures, who has served as the studio’s chief production executive since the beginning of the franchise. “Now everything begins anew, and that’s got us all tremendously excited about what comes next. Under the continuing supervision of Avi and Laura, we have a clear vision for the future of Spider-Man and can’t wait to share this exciting new direction with audiences in 2012.”
"Spider-Man will always be an important franchise for Sony Pictures and a fresh start like this is a responsibility that we all take very seriously," said Michael Lynton, Chairman and CEO of Sony Pictures. "We have always believed that story comes first and story guides the direction of these films and as we move onto the next chapter, we will stay true to that principle and will do so with the highest respect for the source material and the fans and moviegoers who deserve nothing but the best when it comes to bringing these stories and characters to life on the big screen."
Yeah, it's all very political. Peter's a high-schooler again? That might not be a bad thing... I just swear to God I'm going to scream if we have another hour of origin story to sit through.
Columbia Pictures and Marvel Studios announced today they are moving forward with a film based on a script by James Vanderbilt that focuses on a teenager grappling with both contemporary human problems and amazing super-human crises.
The new chapter in the Spider-Man franchise produced by Columbia, Marvel Studios and Avi Arad and Laura Ziskin, will have a new cast and filmmaking team. Spider-Man 4 was to have been released in 2011, but had not yet gone into production.
“A decade ago we set out on this journey with Sam Raimi and Tobey Maguire and together we made three Spider-Man films that set a new bar for the genre. When we began, no one ever imagined that we would make history at the box-office and now we have a rare opportunity to make history once again with this franchise. Peter Parker as an ordinary young adult grappling with extraordinary powers has always been the foundation that has made this character so timeless and compelling for generations of fans. We’re very excited about the creative possibilities that come from returning to Peter's roots and we look forward to working once again with Marvel Studios, Avi Arad and Laura Ziskin on this new beginning,” said Amy Pascal, co-chairman of Sony Pictures Entertainment.
“Working on the Spider-Man movies was the experience of a lifetime for me. While we were looking forward to doing a fourth one together, the studio and Marvel have a unique opportunity to take the franchise in a new direction, and I know they will do a terrific job,” said Sam Raimi.
“We have had a once-in-a-lifetime collaboration and friendship with Sam and Tobey and they have given us their best for the better part of the last decade. This is a bittersweet moment for us because while it is hard to imagine Spider-Man in anyone else’s hands, I know that this was a day that was inevitable,” said Matt Tolmach, president of Columbia Pictures, who has served as the studio’s chief production executive since the beginning of the franchise. “Now everything begins anew, and that’s got us all tremendously excited about what comes next. Under the continuing supervision of Avi and Laura, we have a clear vision for the future of Spider-Man and can’t wait to share this exciting new direction with audiences in 2012.”
"Spider-Man will always be an important franchise for Sony Pictures and a fresh start like this is a responsibility that we all take very seriously," said Michael Lynton, Chairman and CEO of Sony Pictures. "We have always believed that story comes first and story guides the direction of these films and as we move onto the next chapter, we will stay true to that principle and will do so with the highest respect for the source material and the fans and moviegoers who deserve nothing but the best when it comes to bringing these stories and characters to life on the big screen."
Ahoy, squirts! Quint here. Nikke Finke's a hard one to pin down. With the hiring of Variety's chief scoop-hunter Mike Fleming it'd be hard to argue that duo is anything but a juggernaut of Hollywood insider information. They've been wrong before... Finke recently made a mistake in a recent scoop about a film called NORTHERN LIGHTS where she said Tom Cruise was to play Taylor Lautner's father... Cruise is not involved and she promptly (and without mention) removed the Tom Cruise part of it.
But everybody makes mistakes and sometimes things that look like mistakes are really not mistakes, just changes in direction or misinformation (a lot of times intentional). It happens.
Finke and Fleming's first big scoop together is a doozy. They're claiming there was a big meeting at Sony today where it was decided to halt Spider-Man 4 after Sam Raimi told them he can't make the release date and make the movie he wants to. Sony decided to reboot the series instead of wait, it seems.
What it sounds like to us here at AICN is that Raimi learned a big lesson with the reaction to Spider-Man 3 and he wasn't going to be forced into doing a sequel that wasn't ready and his cast stood behind him. And now it appears Sony thinks the brand is more valuable than Raimi and Tobey Maguire.
Yeah, it kind of sucks and I hope that a "reboot" doesn't mean we have to get yet another origin story told, but honestly... if the studio was forcing Raimi in unreasonable ways I'd rather see him and Maguire leave the series than do another Spider-Man 3.
Finke and Fleming says James Vanderbilt (Zodiac) will script the reboot. Vanderbilt also did a pass on an earlier draft of Spidey 4 and is attached for further sequels.
So, what does this mean? If the studio is smart they'll go after someone like Neill Blomkamp and do for Spider-Man what Warner Bros did for Batman. Blomkamp in particular has proven he can balance visual effects, drama and comedy, which is kind of the perfect match for Spider-Man's adventures. However if Raimi left over creative differences and his inability to compromise with the suits I can't imagine they'd be willing to give an up and comer the freedom he'd need to make a real honest to God awesome Spider-Man movie.
Also... please, just continue the series. Don't give us a new Green Goblin/origin retelling. The Incredible Hulk had the right idea, I think. The character is iconic, we just want a good movie. Kraven's Last Hunt, perhaps? Or something totally new... Just no retreads.
So, what do you folks think about this development? It might be the best thing for the series or when it goes past the point of no return for the franchise. If they hire a working director that'll just pump out a product (an X3 or Wolverine: Origins comes to mind) it could be a disaster, but if this reboot opens the door for a visionary to reinvent this series then it could be just the shot in the arm these movies need.
And I don't know about you, but I'd much rather see Sam Raimi making movies he's passionate about, where he has a level of creative freedom he's comfortable with.
We'll keep an ear to the ground on this one and let you know what develops over the next weeks.
-Quint
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only just a couple of years now...
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SuperheroHype has a statement from Sony with direct quotes from Raimi and Sony brass saying they're rebooting for 2012 with a new cast and crew.
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Give the man whatever he wants, he WOULD do this movie! Jim do it for the fans!
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Groovy
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You want to reboot something, then reboot Reboot.
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And fuck the suits. and fuck a reboot. All because it can't come out 2012. Bullshit. This is what is wrong with film to day. It's all about the bottom line and not the fucking art.
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a reboot? really? just scrap it. its done.
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They'd better not mess up a reboot.
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He's a whiny bitch who deserves what he got!
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Raimi had his act together and took care of the property like the studio doesn't know how to. "Take them all, take them all, put 'em up against the wall and shoot 'em"
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JM Vulture?
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...never bet on the white guy.
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-nod-
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and says she's quote, "so proud to be a part of such an awesome team that clearly strives hard for fair and balanced news." I LAUGHED SO HARD I STARTED CRYING!!!!!
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As someone who thinks Maguire is just bland, and Dunst well...sucks as MJ...I'm happy to have a possibly kickass new cast. I thought Topher Grace's humor from That 70's Show was much more like Peter Parker from the comics..and yes sucked as Eddie Brock/Venom lol.
This could be pretty cool, but agree..please no Green Goblin for a while. How about fighting the Sinister Six? Guess that would come later after introducing them individually first. -
Sorry Spider-Man you deserve better, Spider-Man 3 Sucked ASS
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don't care one way or the other. We're all just floating...
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Just kill it.
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But then again 2012 puts it at 5 years since Spider-Man 3 and I'm sure they want to strike while the tights-and-capes iron is still hot. Frankly I think this is the best possible thing for the franchise after being extremely disappointed with all 3 movies so far. It was a huge missed opportunity for Raimi, et al. to have moved Peter beyond high school so quickly. There's a wealth of stories to be told by going back to Parker's high school days and if there's any franchise that can legitimately reboot with a much younger cast, it's Spider-Man. The crux of the character is a young guy struggling with being completely over his head and some of the best Spidey stories are from his younger days.
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Christ it's like catnip for some of you people
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i dont give a shit what anyone says. ultimate spiderman is way better then the convoluted mess the original series has become. one more day im looking at you!!!!!! DAMN YOU QUESADA!!
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this news sucks.
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So the re-cast good be good. They need to go The Incredible Hulk route, for sure. Total reboot with origin is a terrible idea. No one is going to fucking walk into a fourth Spider-Man movie and wonder how the asshole got his powers.
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This is FANTASTIC news! The previous SPideys while serviceable could have been so much better, Toby was never really that good as Parker, same goes for Dunst as MJ, maybe it was also partly Raimi's fault, maybe he just didnt understand the characters, MJ needed more fire, and Pete was just way to Nerdy and didn't quip enough as Spider-man, i hope they do reboot and recast as long as they do it right.
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If this actually happens, I will be VERY happy. Tobey sucked. Snaggletooth sucked. Raimi (sorry fanboys) sucked.
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He'd make a damn fine Gwen Stacy too
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Good ridance, now give some decent movies, please.
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...YOU GIBBERING FUCKING LEMINGS. You fucking waterheads need to put the stick down and walk away from the horse - it's dead, STOP BEATING IT. Sure, you could give the whole knotted ball of yarn to someone who could really sort it out like Blomkamp but in the end would Blomkamp allow the fucking studio interference that made S3 such a travesty? Whomever takes this needs to be able to do what is most important in this industry: tell the studio to GET FUCKED if necessary to make a superior film.
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And be a damn funny Spidey. Not lame and fussy.
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Do it! I dares ya!
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How about, instead of rebooting Spider-man, you just don't make another Spider-man movie? Everyone's a winner, especially the audience.
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to direct. Joseph Grdon-Levitt for Spider-man, Mary Elizabeth Winstead as Mary Jane Watson and Maggie Smith as Aunt May. Continue the franchise with Kraven/Lizard as the villains.
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Here is the opportunity to make a real Spider-Man movie where there are NOT six gentically enhanced spiders waiting in the wings in some lab. Where Peter Parker does NOT shoot webs from his wrists like if he were emulating an ejaculation. And better yet, here is the chance to make the Green Goblin look like the way he is supposed to look like, and NOT like a fucking Power Ranger. Yes. Please cast a real Red Head for Mary Jane. Please!!!! No one fugly. Stay away Raimi...
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Just get a new director!
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Topher would be great as Parker and you all know it. He showed more true-to-character traits in a crappy sequel than Tobey did in all three movies.
Spiderman is a smart-ass, first and foremost. Things get dark occasionally, but he's not gritty, he's not world-weary, he's your wisecracking neighborhood spiderman, not Toby. -
why can't Marvel just buy the rights back. At least we might get a decent flick out of it.
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Raimi's Spidey legacy: one decent, one great, one godawful. Thank you Sony for ridding this franchise of Raimi's mediocre talent. Fresh blood was never more needed than here.
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Now I'm going to reserve the party since it's equally important to see who the hand the franchise over to but I've been praying for this since Spiderman 2. Thank you Sam for all that you did for the franchise but just like the 1989 Batman being a great stepping stone to an even greater franchise so to does Spiderman need the chance to see where else it can be taken. The going back to teenage days idea doesn't suit me well but I guess you have to do it these days since movies like this are all about marketing to children. Either way, good move in the right direction IMO.
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With Renny Harlin as director. You heard it here first.
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Does this mean the Venom spin off will have an origin story in this and is has anybody told Malkovich?
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...i have ZERO interest in seeing this garbage.
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If they hire any of this 2 directors my ass is on the chair day one, i wish we could put joseph gordon-levitt in High School, he is my perfect Spiderman...
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Man that confirmation release makes it sound like a real piece of shit.... I mean really? Back in high school? are people that stupid? A little part of me wants to believe that the public would reject this.... but the cynic in me knows they won't....
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As far as I am concerned, Spiderman died at the end of Spiderman 2. In other random news, President Obama continues to suck. That is all.
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I'm probably getting ahead of myself, but we COULD be seeing a turnaround in Hollywood, where they're going to try SOMETHING ELSE with these characters, just the way they are "toyed" with in the comics. Anybody ever read "Perceptions" where Spidey and Wolverine track down a child molester in the middle of the Canadian wilderness? Hell of a damn read, my friends! HELL of a read! And, as always...we're all just floating.
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Jan 11, 2010 5:12:03 PM CST
MOVIES PUT SPIDERMAN OUT OF HIGH SCHOOL BECAUSE IT ONLY TAKES 4
by damagedinc
There's absolutely no way a film series can squeeze out more than a movie or two in high school. In a movie or 2 he'll be out of high school in a jiffy. SONY...make your stupid money.
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...we hate having to bear witness to your beloved characters being butchered by the likes of Sony and Fox...
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Shia LeBeouf for Peter Parker! yeah i said it.
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They are going the TWILIGHT route. We are going to see heart throbs in the roles, and it is going to be teen spidy fighting other teen villians. Also look for a much stronger focus on romance than action. Book it!
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It's funny how he's become nerds' first suggestion for anything these days after one film.
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You can spin this all you want. But, this is the death of the Spider Man franchise. Going BACK to HIGH SCHOOL?!! PUKE! If Raimi left it means the studio wants him to make crap. If they want him to go back to high school it's garbage. WTF is this obsession with prequels?! We already know how they turn out. Why can't they just make further Spider Man adventures?! They should take a look at how Marvel is handling their Avengers films. This sounds like utter a complete waste of time...
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Zac effup or any Shitty CW/ Disney
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THANK GOODNESS!!! Goodbye to lameass Tobey Maguire who was NEVER Peter Parker!!!! I hope Snaggletooth akak Kristen Dunst is gone too!
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Jan 11, 2010 5:15:35 PM CST
Jeez, I wonder if the studio wants to go all Twilight up in this
by oceanwang
Fucking reboots. It's too easy now with all this reboot nonsense. I'm not saying Spider-man 4 was gonna be good, but a reboot? Already?
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Jan 11, 2010 5:15:54 PM CST
Raimi to direct Venom Spin off - with original cast
by theyreflockingthisway
A chance to re-do Spider-man 3, cut out the Sandman crap and make it awesome.
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I think we've all been waiting for a new Evil Dead movie. Raimi has been wasting his time with Sony and they're precious Spiderman for too long now. It's evident that Raimi is still the master of gross out comedy horror with Drag Me To Hell and it's time for him to go back to his roots! Seeing Ash back in action would be FUCKING GROOVY BABY!!!
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and that this is too soon. People are going to think "that's not spider-man. WTF is this? What happened to Tobey?" My prediction at least.
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I'll never apologize for the love affair I have for that movie. The El Train sequence will go down as one of the most perfect action sequences ever, but Spidey 3 sucked and Drag Me To Hell was fantastic so i'm fine w/ this news.
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I would like to see Spiderman become a wise-cracking hero who enjoys his super powers and has a good time. That would be a refreshing change of pace.
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They can deal with the origin quickly at the beginning with comic book-style frames or a Watchmen type intro. Looking forward to a genuinely hot MJ (please?).
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So will Tobey have a cameo at the beginning where Aunt May is gonna die and he makes a deal with the devil to erase his whole life as Spider-Man and start again as Anton Yelchin?
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dude should win an Oscar for his performance.
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Oh Yeah
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Then maybe the Spider-Man franchise will revert back to marvel, and they can continue to expand their movie universe. Marvel needs to get X-Men back too.
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Agreed. Sony should follow the steps of Nolan and ignore, at least for one movie, any villain that has already appeared in one of Saimi's.
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God damned mother fuckers... Just couldn't leave well enough alone. They trusted Sam Raimi with a valuable franchise and he turned in two excellent Spider-Man movies that appealed to fans. I loved them. Then the suits got involved and made Raimi shoe-horn a Venom story into an already crowded script. The suits (Avi Arad especially) are responsible for the Spider-Man 3 fiasco and now they've killed it completely. Good for Raimi for walking away with dignity and good for Maguire et al for standing behind him.I really have mixed feelings about the future of Spider-Man with $%^#$%^ suits calling all the shots.
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I'm just sayin', y'know. Terrifying thought though.
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Everyone always sounds so wide-eyed and optimistic in these press releases, like they're part of some cult and they've just downed the Kool-Aid before offering a blurb for the press. Whether it's NBC owning up to the failure of the Jay Leno Show or Raimi asserting that the studio's going to do a TERRIFIC job without him, everyone is just sooo happy for everyone else!
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no way in hell should Blomkamp waste his time on Spider Man, or any superhero film for that matter.
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You know you want it fanboys
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Put down the chocolate and take your ritalin. There's only so many motormouthed 'change-of-direction' ideas we can take. I got newsd for you, Johnny isn't hyper-creative. He's just hyper.
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Raimi and especially Maguire just didn't do it for me. Get JAMES CAMERON to do it. PLEASE
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Gimme a break. This is EXACTLY what they plan to do. Fill this POS up with a bunch of goodlooking CW teens who can't act their way out of a paper bag. LOL.
This is gonna suck big donkey balls.
The Studio twisted Raimi's hand about including two many characters in the last Spidey which made it suck.
This latest move will once and for all confirm the DEATH of this franchise.
Peter back in high school? Why not just spin it off as a retarded tv series on the CW.
I think Raimi PURPOSELY caused this to happen because he was so PISSED at the studio's meddling in the last film. Thats why he added all that GOOFY ass dancing in it....to PISS OFF the studios right back.
I guess this decision was inevitable. I am sure when McGuire heard Raimi wasn't coming back, he bowed out too.
I predict Spidey 4 will be the WORST Marvel film of all time. How much you wanna BET the studio saw the success of TWIGHLIGHT, and decided to turn this into a crappy teen movie with the sole purpose of putting a bunch of little girls in the seats? Watch. They will cast the latest teen hearththrob to play spiderman.
I BET you it's even one of the actors from TWIGHLIGHT! LOL.
This is gonna BLOW!
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this is so fucking awesome, all you cry babies saying let raimi do another FUCK YOU!
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Guess Sam Raimi couldn't be contained. Yeah, sorry he only helped SONY make boatloads of money and suddenly people have to futz with his formula. Good for Sam and Tobey, get the fuck outta there. Sounds like it's going to become SPIDER-MAN : TWILIGHT
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Especially for a successful franchise. I never cared for Spidey in Raimi's hands, however. And I didn't like Tobey or Kirsten as the leads. So I'm okay with this. I feel kinda bad for actual fans though. They're getting the shaft because Sony is impatient. Plain and simple.
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Jan 11, 2010 5:24:32 PM CST
Miserable super heroes is why "Heroes" is so crap
by theyreflockingthisway
"I have super powers, why can't I just be normal!?! boo hoo!"
You have super powers! It's the coolest thing ever! Cheer up!
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Spider-Man meets Twilight... I bet that's what the studio wants.To be fair, didn't the comics reboot the Spidey story a while back? After the Civil War?
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Jan 11, 2010 5:25:55 PM CST
I would have liked to see a Raimi press release that says...
by dr gregory house
"Fuck a bunch o suits at Sony. Fuck em! And fuck their grandmas too."
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I really loved Raimi's take on the films so I think Sony are making a big mistake here. I'll give the reboot a try but what are the chances they'll hire someone good to direct the reboot? They're more likely to hire someone like Bay to rape the source material and dumb it down.
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Why is this a bad thing? I'm sorry, but Raimi is NOT the best thing that ever happened to the franchise, and McGuire sucked ASS as Spider-Man. The first one was passable, but I would like them to get back to the roots of the series.
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What? He's nearly as close to being a teenager as some of the pushing-40 guys being mentioned in here.
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Zac Efron..taste the goodness!!!!
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Raimi is about making good movies (Spidey 3 aside, and that wasn't even really his fault). Sony is about making money. It doesn't take a genius to see where this is going.
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Tru dat
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Put in the right actors and this would kick ass..Hopefully an unknown would play Kraven...Hired by kingpin...
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... please... They should've let Raimi do one more ffs. I hope this blows up in their face when they cast, as Bouncy X mentioned, parts of the Twilight cast, etc. They prob. wanted 3D as well and perhaps Raimi wouldn't do it? Spidey 1 & 2 were great, thanks for great films Sam & crew!
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Jan 11, 2010 5:29:28 PM CST
Marvel, use Disney's infinite money cheat and BUY SPIDEY BACK
by vesuvio
Let Pixar handle the 3D on it, than merge it with the Avengers universe.
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... Spider-Man, Punisher, Kingpin, Daredevil, Fantastic Four, heck even Elektra, all in the mix. When do the rights revert back to Marvel again?
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Jan 11, 2010 5:29:49 PM CST
Gweyn Stacy will finally get the death she deserved
by jeangrey_x23_lesbosex
Face it Tiger, just stick to the Ultimate Spiderman comics and it'll be a cake walk.
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and Joseph Gordon-Levitt is Spider-Man. Alex Proyas to direct. BANK ON IT.
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AVATAR 2Fucking Your Eyeballs in 2012!Nothing else matters.
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And no epic story of best friends betraying each other. How about a movie where Spider Man, Iron Man, and Hulk are fighting giant robots in NYC? Too much to ask, right? Like that wouldn't make a billion dollars.
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Kravens last hunt..not last stand..my bad..
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are just finishing middle school. Sony won't want anyone over 18.
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I used to think certain movies, certain characters were just too iconic to mess with. Christopher Reeve for example... look what happened with Superman Returns. People will always associate Reeve with that character, and I predict any future Superman film will suffer for that reason.
I don't know if people feel the same way about Tobey Maguire's Spider-Man.... but I suppose we'll find out. I do think people (who don't follow sites like this, and who don't read press releases by movie studios) will see the trailer in the cinema and think to themselves "this looks weird. I don't get it. I like the other Spider-Man, is this supposed to be a sequel? I'll rent it.
Which leads me to the holy grail: Star Wars. If studios clearly don't give a shit about which actors portray which characters, if they think that movies are fluid and that people don't treasure individual films, that they aren't sort of "protective" of their favorite movies... then just do it.
Remake Star Wars and have it be a litte more hip and edgy. People will be fine with that too, just like they turned out in record numbers to see Superman Returns, and Spider-Man 4: Totally Awesome.
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because they have both dealt with material intended to be a action/drama/comedy hybrid, the question is: would they want to do it again?
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Studios can bullshit like no body else. Fuck 'em.
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I like this news, didn't at first, but I did not want to see Vulture or Vultress. And 3 sucked. See, this is what happens when you mess with Venom!
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They might make a Spiderman that falls in line with the nerw marvel movies and can tie in to Iron Man, Inc Hulk, Thor etc?
If so then that's fine by me. If it's just to give some current teenage US tv series twat a vehicle and try to recapture the magic of what Raimi et al had then they can forget my £6.
Getting a bit tired of reboots and of the US studios trying to force the auteurs to do conveyorbelt blockbusters. I mean it's not as if this hasn't been proven to fail a dozen times or so.
That said the studios probably blame Clooney for Batman & Robin, and Raimi for Spiderman 3, and Ratner for Xmen 3, and fuck knows who they blame for Wolverine because if it's anyone but themselves then they ought to just suck their limo exhaust pipes till they turn pink. -
Abe Vigoda for Uncle Ben!
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Finally got rid of that miserable millionaire bastard Maguire. Maybe we'll get a decent Goblin too?
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Oh Christ! I just got a chill up my back.
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Jan 11, 2010 5:33:41 PM CST
if they do it too soon, it will bomb like the hulk reboot.
by heavenlykid
Nothing against ang, but the reboot hulk was way better. but with a different cast, different origin and different director people were kind of scratching their heads, not sure of it was a sequal or not. chirst, Batman begins almost bombed because people thought it was just another batman movie (don't believe me? Check that opening weekend for it again) Same will happen with spider man reboot if they're not careful.
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Jesus I'm good. Better than Jettl93 in fact.
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Jan 11, 2010 5:33:56 PM CST
Finally Peter will have a secret identity that sticks!
by hollywoodhellraiser
WTF was up with Sam and that bullshit???
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Don't care, now.
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Like Quint said, NO one wants to sit through another origin story to a character we all know and is iconic. Not to mention, we've already seen most of the A-list villains on the big screen, so no one wants to see yet another origin of Doc Oc or Green Goblin. Granted there are a lot of mis-steps they can fix with the current trilogy, I hope they get this right.
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MJ was always that type of girl.
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Fuck you, Sony.
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You guys make it seem like it was BATMAN AND ROBIN or something!
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S4 was supposed to come out in May 2011
Sony was upset that it wont make its May release that year
SO instead of waiting for a good movie, the studio decides to reboot and come out a year later anyway?!
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Jan 11, 2010 5:39:58 PM CST
This will simply NOT work. Bomb, bomb, bomb. Bomb bomb ba bomb
by jeditemple
It's too soon and I'm sick of the reboots Hollywood!!!
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If this is about Peter's High School years, then MJ shouldn't even be in this series. Betty Brant and Liz Allen should be the romantic interests.
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If this is about Peter's High School years, then MJ shouldn't even be in this series. Betty Brant and Liz Allen should be the romantic interests.
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Would bring the freshness and Innocence the franchise needs... But they'll probably, as mentioned earlier, end up casting CW airheads or worse, Megan Fox and Shia Leboef
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Back to high school and no Vulture around! Hooray!
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As much as I hated Spidey 3 I can't see a reboot this soon doing anything but failing to pull in the bucks. Hopefully Raimi will go back and make some more Horror movies (Evil Dead 4).
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Anyway, let the casting speculation begin.I enjoy the fan-casting much more...
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Jan 11, 2010 5:40:35 PM CST
Come Back to Spidey in another 10 years or so...
by alice cooper stalker
I agree that there is no use in making a movie with people that are less than passionate about it. I'm not interested in these immediate reboots. I'm disapointed that after all of the success that the first three movies had, that the studios wouldn't trust the team behind them to make another with their vision.
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Dammit.
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or emos! but at least re-cast Dylan Baker again, poor guy.
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raimi got his trilogy. very few franchises go further, certainly not with their original creative teams intact. if the new crew can make a good movie, i'm on board. we'll see.
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Jan 11, 2010 5:42:17 PM CST
No Origin again please! Do like Incredible Hulk in the opening c
by stormwatcher
I can't take another Origin tale. NO ONE wants that. Use Gwen Stacy so that we can all look forward to the dark moment she dies. I am so up for a new Goblin since the costume sucked the 1st time. Whatever, just give us a better MJ who is actually hot and not ugly.
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...she would be perfect for MJ. She looks just the way Ditko drew her.
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I almost forget about her. She would be perfect. You guys rock.
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People who are glad that Spidey's getting fresh blood, versus people who think Raimi's just been martyred? Put me down in the first group. I'd like to see more Raimi movies, but after his third SM movie, I'm also glad we're gonna get big budget NON-Raimi Spidey movies. Bring on a correct handling of Venom! -
Like many here, I have no interest in Spiderman '12, although I've heard that in Spiderman '13 we'll finally get to play as Uncle Ben.
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The studios dropped a turd omelet on his plate when he was going to do Spiderman in the early 90s. Instead he did True Lies. I'd like to see a Cameron Spidey, but I think he is past that now. He's got two Avatar films, converting Titanic to 3D. Possible Battle Angel, The Dive, Sanctum, The Forbidden Planet, The Fantastic Voyage, and possibly The Last Train From Hiroshima. Plus anything else that pops up. I'd say he's busy.
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Great choice!!!!
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Between this and Conan, 2010 is starting to have a lot of WTF moments.
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It is safe to like Spider-Man again!!!!!!!!! Best news of the day!
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"Something smells FISHy."
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That is all.
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That is all.
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But is unfortunate that the Raimi saga has to end in such a crapfest as Spiderman 3... I was hoping he would reedemn himself with 4... Also, I will miss J.K. Simmons as Jonah...
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Why do a lot of people seem to be assuming that Mary Jane will be in these new movies? She was most definitely not a character in the comics until Peter was in college. Seems to me they should go with Betty Brant and Liz Allen as the romantic leads. And Flash Thompson is there to get jealous when Liz flirts with Peter.
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Cos here it comes...
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Lets High Five!
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Could somebody please find and quote all the things Jett said he knew were happening in all the other recent posts about this? Walking fuckin' douche.
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I have a bad feeling about this...
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The direction I kept hearing sounded terrible. Thank you Sam and Tobey for 2 great movies. Priority one should be getting Spidey into the same universe as the rest of the Marvel movies. Hopefully a much-more-needed Fantastic Four reboot will follow.
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Oh, crap!
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How about a bit of canon
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seriously as i reported a few weeks ago, spidey 4 was doing fine, but then sam got cold feet and the studio wasn't ready to hand over the franchise (make no bones about it, Sony is being overly protective of this franchise). In the end Sony wants a director that will make the film they want. so far no director is attached, but sony execs have a list of potential cast, Micheal cera, justin long, but the current front runner is Logan Lerman (he's relativley unknown, but some of you may have seen him in Gamer, and sony is carefully watching him in percey jacson and the lightning theives)as for mary jane Mary Elizabeth Winstead is the only name i'm hearing being suggested, the part is essentially her's if she wants it.Malkovich is still likley to be the vulture (as this is a reboot in the sense of incredible hulk, sony does not want to re-do any of the villans that have been done so far.
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too soon.
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The guy has proven he can deliver both sober drama with Nip/Tuck and teenage extravaganza with Glee.
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They don't have to recast the ENTIRE thing.
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Fucking clueless studios. they're going to give this the Ratner-fuck treatment.
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SAY IT AT ONCE!!!!! ZAC EFRON!!!!!
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Bet it would have rocked.
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We don't need that character re-cast. His story has already been told.
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Was really looking forward to Drag Me to Hell but I thought it was weak as piss... really REALLY disappointed... think it might be time for him to pack his bags anyway
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Check "17 Again" if you don't believe me. Dorky and nerdy and yes, funny. Yet charming and athletic looking enough to be the perfect Spidey, unlike Tubby McMuffin.
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Spidey 3 sucked but 1 & 2 were perfect. Now we have to play spin the bottle with Sony. Crap.
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I have this sneaking suspicion that you guys are right and back to high school means a tweenfest Twilight inspired cast that can't act their way out of a fucking trash bin but look good on the cover of tigerbeat. FUCKING YUCK! I had problems with Maguire's mopey Petey and Dunst never looked like the fashion model Mary Jane was supposed to be, but Raimi? He made SM2, still one of the best comic movies made (I don't count SM3 because the refs called "studio interference" too many times on that one). And back to friggin high school? Why do I get the feeling that Kung Fu Kid Smith will weasel his way onto the cast, and that twilight chick that calls biting her lip acting will be MJ. CRAP. I like the character too much to think about this...
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Raimi stood up to the studio and now he's gone. Fox will find a Ratner to dictate to. Hello High School Peter. Hello Vultress. Hello Carnage. If Raimi, with a billion dollars of box office behind him couldn't get artistic license, then no new director will.
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That is all I got to say about this news. Just be careful with this shit.
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I dig the heck out of Raimi and love Spider-Man and Spider-Man 2, but Spider-Man 3 left no doubt that a director and cast was needed.
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what the hell but i guess disney has a part in this drama.
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This might not be a bad idea. (YES! To Emma Stone, by the way.) Would HIGHLY suggest that Sony partner with Marvel Entertainment to bring Spidey into the universe that's working with Iron Man, Hulk, Thor, et al. A partnership that could include some of the Avengers universe characters would rock and a financial cost sharing deal might alleviate the possibility of fail if the reboot isn't box office gold.
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would have been incredible. Not the shitty TV movie with the worst CG effects ever version we got from Raimi.
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Jan 11, 2010 5:54:27 PM CST
There's more to this story, Raimi & Sony were butting heads
by wookie_weed
Raimi didn't want another Spidey 3, Sony did. Raimi was standing his ground and refusing to give in to Sony's demands for Spidey 4, wanting to make a film that Spiderman fans, old and young, would love to see. Sony said no, fuck off, and dumped them all.
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SHONUFFFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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SHONUFFFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Raimi can now do something fresh with the World of Warcraft film, and we can finally get a good Peter-Gwen love story!! I'm all in!!!!! Best move for all involved.
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Jan 11, 2010 5:54:53 PM CST
I'm conflicted. On one hand i'm pissed but on the...
by dreadlock holmes
other hand i'm kinda relieved? It's best they figure something out before they ruin the franchise more. I never really liked Tobey as Spiderman so thats a relief. But a total reboot? I think they need to "soft reboot" it like Star Trek.
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Jan 11, 2010 5:56:39 PM CST
Good, I never liked the look of the Spidey movies.
by stereotypical evil archer
Just didn't work for me. Too much gloss. Some terrible production design with garish lighting(editing was good though). The Goblin looked stupid, fucking Power Ranger suit (not a realistic military design whatsoever, which was the movie's own admitted conceit). Best thing about Spider-man 1 was his first costume in the wrestling ring, a real vigilante.. Spider-man 2 was an OK story, I liked the self-doubt but it still looked like poor production design with the garish lighting. Spider-man 3, was forgetful. The sand guy design and effects were terrible. The black suit should have been iconic, but they made it more of a joke than a serious delving into a darker Spider-man. The Venom thing was rushed poorly done to ill effect.Spider-man 4 would have been more of the same.I thought his name was "Spider-man" not "Spider-teen". Spider-man is about coming of age; if they cast a teen then the origin will be the focus. You can't go to high school forever, unless you're a poorly written teenage vampire.
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I'll admit I liked him in Me and Orson Welles, but don't know if he would be a good Spidey. Plus, if they're going back to high school, then he's too old.
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Are you happy?
Dumbass....How hard is it to have Kraven the Hunter chase down the damn Lizard? The script will write itself. NO ONE LIKES THE VULTURE.
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so when the high school musical version sucks does it mean that they will reboot the reboot?
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...man can do teenage superheroics, and it's about time he got the chance to do something this big.
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Like another has posted, I was hoping Raimi would redeem the failure that was Spiderman 3 with #4. I enjoyed #1 and thought #2 was great, but #3 was not a good film. Regardless of what they do, I really don't want a reboot - continue the damn thing. Oh, and feel free to lose Maguire and Dunst - that part I won't mind.
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Jan 11, 2010 5:57:54 PM CST
Reboot Blade! Drop the kung fu, just go brutal.
by stereotypical evil archer
Blade could kill all the Twilight-like vampires in the world. The anti-Twilighters would flock to this in droves!
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I always hated the organic thing.
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Please, jettL, enlighten us as to what happened? And if you could let us know what kinda of Danish Raimi likes, that would be good.
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Please, jettL, enlighten us as to what happened? And if you could let us know what kinda of Danish Raimi likes, that would be good.
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Yeah, I thought that too, but seeing as Simmons is a kind of Raimi fetish actor, and the scent of this reboot thing is start anew... Im not sure they are going to maintain some of the supporting cast... It would be kind of strange, dont you think?
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" Colonial One
January 11, 2010
I can see it already... Michael Cera or Jesse Eisenberg as Peter, Emma Stone as MJ, Amanda Seyfried as Gwen, Paul Rudd as Norman Osborn, Johah Hill as Harry Osborn, Seth Rogen as J.J.Jameson, and Leslie Mann as Aunt May. Directed by Judd Appatow"
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for frank. he's done
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Sam Raimi+Adrian Brody=
THE SHADOW
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Zac a close second for me. I can just buy Anton as the smart nerdy type better. Plus he really is intelligent.
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Fresh blood on this is exactly what is needed.
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That guy should stay with Kick-Ass, make a franchise out of that instead.
Edgar Wright, or Neil Marshall maybe.
And as good as Spider-man was when it came out, it got almost as much wrong as it did right in the end. The lack of wise cracking spidey was a real lost opportunity.
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Until the last scene - "face it tiger, you just hit the jackpot!"
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Fucking Yeah!!! Finally we get rid of the two fucking hopelessly deluded cunts that have been messing up this film series since day one! This is the best comic-film news I've ever read. Thank you Columbia and Marvel for having the balls to give these two their marching orders! I've been wanting Raimi to get the boot evere since he had that ridiculous scene where he turned Peter Parker into a coward in Spiderman 2. (Scene where because he's lost his powers, something that's happened quite often in the books/cartoons, he nontheless has Peter seeing an old man getting beat up in an alley and sheepsishly scurrying away to leave the old guy to his fate..) Yeah real great 'hero' there Raimi! Fundamental misunderstanding of the character. As is the humour bypass that they've given him for 3 movies. And the thought that I'll never see that overpaid, talentless, two expressioned 'actor' play Peter again, has me punching the air with joy. Maybe now they'll cast someone who doesn't try to play him as a slow witted moronic retard! This is simply the BEST NEWs EVER! Whatever powers that be, that made this happen, Thank you!!
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Reboot EVERYTHING with Nathon Fillion!
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SM 1 & 2 are excellent comic-book movies and Tobey/Raimi were a great combo. You do NOT reboot a franchise that has grossed billions because of one bad movie...especially since that one bad movie was the highest grosser!!!! I don't know the full story but this is a horrible decision all around.
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THANK GOD!!!!
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...they don't need to do an hour of origin. everyone knows what happened anyway. Why not just do a recap at the beginning the way the new Hulk movie did? I reckon that would work fine.
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I dunno, maybe that's too "radical" for studios and audiences these days...
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that was funny, just what I was thinking.
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He webshoots into a strange part of town and gets chased by some random hoods into a random warehouse where Bruce Campbell is waiting for him so he can explain the plot...
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is going forward sooner? I'm guessing Raimi will have a hard time fitting something else in between.
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Can they restart the Fantastic Four next? I don't care for Spider-Man but I love the Fantastic Four.
I thought Tobey was an OK Peter Parker but you could totally tell it was hardly ever him in the Spider-Man suit.
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Then fuck any reboots, origins, or new films. We're already familiar with Spidey, just throw him straight into the Avengers flick, and go from there.
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Least we have Avengers to look forward to.
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Really the third movie was disappointing but I think Raimi and his cast could've pulled out another good one
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Good shout, but he's the only one you keep.
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YES :)
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Maguire did an online chat with theenvelope.com last week and he didn't seem to be worried about it when asked. I don't get it. I mean I actually strongly dislike this incarnation of Spidey. I would have cast other people and taken it much more seriously from the get-go. But to do this is moronic. This is a generation's Spidey. It's just wrong to reboot. There are little kids who think Tobey Maguire IS Spider-man. You can't fuck with their little heads like that. WRONG WRONG WRONG!!!
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...why would I want to see it? I will know that there's no point in investing myself in a new series when the previous version wasn't allowed to play out and complete its story arcs. So any new version probably won't have any significant story arcs which will be seen through to completion either.
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Well, if nothing else...this means they can save money with new actors and the money saved can go into the special effects
Maybe we'll get alot more action for our buck
Still...THANKS to Sam for two really great films, Spidey 1 and 2
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if so, just fuck off and die. no one but fuckups and gay clowns want that goddamned abortion up on the screen.
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I don't really give a shit who they cast so long as he can act. I agree Ultimate Spidey would be the way to go, but whatever you do PLEASE make Spidey FUNNY. Raimi never had any of Spidey's trademark humour in the films. -
Jan 11, 2010 6:09:09 PM CST
Cameron as director! Arnold as Dock Ock!
by turd_has_risen_from_the_grave
Sand-Man as the next step on from the T-1000! Bill Paxton as Jonah Jameson! That's the only Spider-Man movie that should ever have existed. Fuckin' legal rights. Can we take a time machine back to '93 and change history?
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action scenes in the new Spidey, or any upcoming superhero movies for that matter.
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That needs a sequel. I think that film got shat on unfairly. The cast (except Liv Tyler) were so fucking spot on and awesome. If Marvel had any brains at all they would do a sequel picking up right after the last one left off with the entire cast returning. Can you imagine seeing The Leader on the big screen ? Doc Sampson? Man they were headed in the right direction,right tone and everything.
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The DEFINITIVE context for Spidey is high school. Everything else is fine, but the original idea was for it to be about a a teenager. They are completely right, if they're going to reboot, to make it as high school as possible. That doesn't mean they're gonna do it right but referencing Twilight misses the point entirely.
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They couldn't. They wouldn't.
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I noticed that it was Marvel Studios that bought Vanderbuilt's script, NOT Sony. Could we be looking at Sony playing ball with the Marvel Movie-Verse?
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Honestly, this is what we need. maybe ill finally be able to pick up a spidey comic again without getting flashbacks to spider-man 3.
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A high school student has to face modernissues while facing becoming a superhero.
I believe I bahve seen this film before. IT'S CALLED SPIDER-MAN.
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You crazy kids and yer jargon these day's. We've become a nation of sound bites. Today's sound bite du jour is "reboot", honestly folks the source materials (comic books) have been "rebooting" themselves since the beginning. Every few years a great creative team (artists and writers) leaves a book and a new team comes on and shows us what they have got. The results vary but god we loves our super hero books. I welcome a new team and thank Raimi and his team. Now lets start trowing out suggestions for the new creative team. Personally I'd just back the Brink's truck up to Jon Favs house, I'd also bet RDJ could pull off Spidey :^)
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And maybe a sign of maturity for Raimi, Tobey, & Co. Beyond the origin story, the character and franchise is rather silly. Every subsequent film is a cash grab and a waste of time for the talent involved. Kill the franchise and pick another character to develop. Or better yet, grow up and quit making comic book movies.Thank you. Good night.
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And hate whiners. I gotta whine about his spidey script. His Spidey would have been BAD.
Spider-man as an MTV-Vj? And NO. He did NOT make True lies because spidey didn't pan out. He made T2.
In which he had some ideas from his spidey treatment. T-1000 is the Sandman ffs.
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Yes I went there and I am willing to bear the consequences!!!!!!!!
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I know the universe doesn't hate me that much. If he's not cast, I will then know there is a God.
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If any movies DIDN'T feel like they were Raimi movies it were those 3 Spider-Man movies. They felt like NBC movies. Reboot seems like a waste of time though, just make a sequel.
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Give spidey big eyes... those tiny eye holes to me, made Spidey to emotional
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All for getting new blood into the franchise, especially after the shitfest that was SM3. But.....if Raimi was fighting for more control (ie, less villians, more story) and lost...what does that point to for the reboot? I can think of a lot more ways that a high-school based SM4 reboot can go wrong than I can of a streamlined, no bullshit extra villian Sam Raimi pic...
Sony is going to have to get some AAAAA-list talent in this one to make it compelling. And the retread talk is valid...while a new team isn't going to come out and do "Kraven's Last Hunt" out of the gate (not the Holy Grail of spidey stories anyway) I don't want to really sit through another Green Goblin/Year One rehash.
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A teen Spiderman seems very regressive at this point. Do a James Bond thing and recast the movie and get a decent script and director and build on Raimi's work. Why throw it all away to reboot now? The character is NOT NECESSARILY stronger than those who made the movies either. Without a strong creative team and cast it doesn't matter what property we're talking about. Suits with MBAs lack the insight into the creative process to realize this, but they do sometimes stumble into a critical hit that also has commercial value. Whatever, so many superhero movies now, not like this matters.
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Jan 11, 2010 6:17:28 PM CST
Hideo Kojima, or Hayato Date could bring visionary action to the
by codename
These two Japanese directors could drop jaws if they ever got the chance to direct the action scenes for Spidey.
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Jesus wept.
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Megan over Zooey?!!! For what, a role in Hookers At The Point: The Motion Picture???? GAH
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I'd like to see Greg Mottola direct this. Give him that kid from Kick Ass (since that's pretty much Spiderman anyway), have Jonah Hill play Kong or whatever the big kid's name from Ultimate Spiderman, and do scripts based on that excellent series (Ultimate Spiderman). I vote for Emma Stone, or Emma Watson or even Evan Rachel Wood for MJ. Just my 2 cents
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Or listen more to JettL93.
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Regardless of how this pans out.
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... Superman Returns
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it would seem you enjoy the "digging the hole" president as opposed to the "rectifying" President. Hmmm? Can't really take your movie opinions serious now, can I?
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Spiderman 2 and 3 are probably the most emo comic-book movies I've ever seen. Raimi's Spiderman was already emo from the beginning (The first movie was decent-to-good), and aside from a couple of action scenes in Spidey 2, it was utter mediocrity. Crying, and more crying.I'll never understand how some of y'all hate Spidey 3 for all that crying & mediocre plot then praise Spidey 2 for the exact same stuff.Good riddance. And I don't care about Spiderman anymore. Want my money Hollywood? make some new shit.
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That seems ridiculous! Raimi's movies with Maguire were wonderful--why would you reboot the series now?!? I just lost a ton of respect for that studio.
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Jan 11, 2010 6:21:22 PM CST
Getting Casted as Spidey is like Winning the Lottery
by jeangrey_x23_lesbosex
Skinny, under 24, white guys with acting reels, get ready to go for the gold.
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Just have Spidey start kicking villainous behind right away in the first scene.
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No, JJJ will now be portrayed by Firefly Guy
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Directed by Chris Nolan
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FUUCKKALLOFYOOOUUUUUUUU!
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worst news I've heard....I'll be going to see this movie like I would the Green Lantern with that douche bag playing Ryan Reynolds Hal Jordan.
Fuck Sony. Raimi did Spider-Man right, even if 3 wasn't perfect. I'm glad he's not giving in to pressure from the studio. I wish Spider-Man was under the Marvel Studios umbrella than Raimi might have a chance. Sucks...oh well. -
Wow. James Bond had been around 30 or so years before he got the reboot with Casino Royale. I wonder if this goes over will we be getting a rebooted X-Men, Daredevil, and (God please let it happen) a rebooted Fantastic Four? A rebooted FF could be like a more cheerful version of what they did with Watchmen.
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I even think it would be possible to have both MJ and Gwen in it: MJ as a friend, and Gwen as a love interest. Both Harry and Norman are both important characters in the universe so they should be in it too, just not as villains. Maybe have the kingpin as the main villain and Electro as the superpowered villain/henchman.
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Not really. But someone's going to mention it. Might as well beat them to it.
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AND THEN SET ALL THE EXECS ON FIRE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Cameron was supposed to make Spider-man AFTER T2, when Carolco acquired the rights from the Cannon Group. He wrote his scriptment (probably one of several different versions) in late '91. Movie would have come out in '93 or thereabouts.The T-1000 was not a re-tooled version of Sandman. The T-1000 was a concept considered for the very first terminator movie, and abandoned due to technical limitations of the day. Sandman would have been the next step in CG from the T-1000 - from liquid simulation to particle simulation. True Lies was another project he'd been working on since 92/93 - it didn't replace Spider-Man, he was going to do both. There is another script online that bears Cameron's name, along with several other writers. Despite his name on it, he had nothing to do with this script.And for my money, the organic web-shooters concept was an excellent and logical change, probably why Raimi retained it.
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I was wondering how the hell they could go anywhere with peter and mary after the last movie. I'm glad that it ended with peter and mary dancing. I say leave Spidey alone for at least 10 years. Spend some time with other characters.
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The character is supposed to be a model- tits, tall, red hair, etc. S-E-X-P-O-T.
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it's giant robot spiders and polar bears time
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...I agree wit ya... i prefer three cuz it was fun, but everyone hates it cuz theyre bein typical fan boys... part three had way better action and the emotional stuff in it made sense... whereas two, peter was just whiny...
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And think Maguire and Dunst were fine. The 3rd movie though, really killed all my goodwill.
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And have Spidey tied up, beat up, surrounded by the Enforcers(go look it up, it involves Kingpin) and a voiceover saying something like
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..even secretly, then you're lying.
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Spidey 2 was great but would have been awesome without the evil dead wink. Raimi proved he had nothing left in the tank with Spidey 3.Dunst was crap and Tobey was average.
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Can we sex her character up a bit please?
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This'll be the same.
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...a fucking joke!Just not a funny one.
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BOYCOTT! BOYCOTT! BOYCOTT...!
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... LOL LOL LOL LOL!!!!!
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and can you REALLY trust sony to deliver a better product after this???? Mixed feelings with maguire as spidey - never seemed to quite fit, but played the downtrodden peter parker amazingly.
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I am spechless,I just saw one of my favorite franchise get ripped apart,I know Spiderman 3 was bad,but a reboot,no T
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Then kill her off in the second movie, to ad more resonance to her death. Then have April Bowlby as Mary Jane come in. Stan Lee himself said that he always considered Gwen Stacy as Peter's true love, but the fans didn't want it that way. maybe this time we can get better villains (except for Doqtor Oqtopus, I thought he was coo').
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Spider-Man 2 is one of the greatest super hero movies ever made, Spider-Man 3 is one of the most dissapointing. Raimi really understood Peter, I fear the new Spider-Man movies are going to be all about action and lack any soul...or they are going to try to turn him into Batman which would be just as stupid. I don't like this at all, but at least there is another chance for Venom.
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One so-so movie and the suits want to trash the whole series and reboot it?! Nonsense. Sam Raimi is your best bet - stick with him. At least don't start completely over. Just continue the series. This really hacks me off. Why would you disregard Raimi and his excellent cast?
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Well, Sony has made this dramatic move, but I still don't see how this resolves their basic problem of which villain to use now that Green Goblin and Doc Ock have been done. I don't think the public wants to see them re-done so soon. So who do they go with now? Kingpin?(not even a villain from Parker's high school years)The Big Man & the Enforcers? (not well known) Electro? (good possibility)
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totally agree! I find TIH more rewatchable than Iron Man.
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disappointing I mean
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Really why this isnt fair,Tobey Mcguire is Spiderman,well at least give us Evil Dead 4 Raimi,and no Kravens last hunt sounds horrible,fuck that Idea,it would be an ass of a movie
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Jan 11, 2010 6:31:50 PM CST
Wes Bentley as Peter Mary Elizabeth Winstead MJ
by rene_belloq_12inch_figure
Beat that bitches, and no high school shit, continuation retell story of venom, carnage on second film and THIRD ONE WITH THE SINISTER SIX... OOOH YEAH you can't top this biitches.
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Fuck you SONY. You just joined FOX on my ignore list. Rebooting a 9 year old franchise. Are these people fucking retarded????
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...that Spider-Man 4 is dead.'Rebooting' the franchise on the other hand... I hope it fails. I hope it fails because it's fucking stupid and the people involved in making this decision should be ground into a paste and fed to the people stupid enough to be excited about it.It will be another origin story. It will be emo and twee and I guarantee you that Peter Parker will not deal with real human problems because real human problems aren't palatable to retarded teenage audiences, who want their characters handsome and their flaws Mary Sue. Fuck Sony, fuck Marvel, fuck Spider-Man, fuck you.
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Jan 11, 2010 6:32:17 PM CST
Yup, the Spider-Man movies were depressing as fuck!!!
by hollywoodhellraiser
If the reboot can make Spidey a fun guy instead of a boring prick than I'm all for it!A reboot certainly can't get anymore emo than the hack job Sam gave the franchise!
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i don't really know how that relates to this post, just felt that it needed to be said.
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It's basically the 2012 of the comic book world.
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I was never a big fan of the Rami Spiderman movies like I was the comics. I only hope they can come up with a better vision rather than the 'Twilight' version.
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they are turning all the characters into little kiddie films the same way THEY DESTROYED THE ANIMATION on TV - anyone see the spidey / league of midget children super heros on Sunday/Satirday mornings.
Pure shit and now they are bringing that kiddie disney BULLSHIT to the big screen.
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Started out warm with Spidey, Hit pay dirt with Spidey 2 and fizzled out by the third one.... oh well.
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cause the last spiderman movie sucked!
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Raimi can have the freedom to do more cool movies like evil dead and drag me to hell.
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Everyone's forgot Townsend
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We don't have to see Kurstun Dunst as Mary Jane ever again!
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Jan 11, 2010 6:35:25 PM CST
I'm sure people have said this a few hundred times already but..
by jaym3
FUCKING FINALLY! Now emo Spidey is out, can we sort out some deal so the big epic movie mashing Avengers/SHIELD things can come along.
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The Amazing Spider-man
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...and not just a hack for hire.
Seems like they're trying to rush it out though.
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But honestly? I don't. Have at it, kids.
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That sexy enough? Yeah.
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And MJ will be a HS pole dancer
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another season of The Spectacular Spider-Man. Oh, and Karen Gillan is MJ.
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Now I don't care that much that Raimi and the rest won't be doing another Spiderman movie. 3 was bad. 3 was hurting bad. But good news? Yeah...so all you guys have never ever seen how this works before? Or you forgot? Or you think this time is going to be different from all those others? This isn't the time frame, situation or environment that led from the Burton Batmans to Nolan and Batman begins. This is the time frame, situation and environment that led from Burton's Batmans to Batman Forever and Batman and Robin. If you're lucky, for director you'll get a competent workman. If you're unlucky you'll get a "bright, promising newcomer" or worse yet an established studio whore, and whatever of the three you get the studio will wear that director like a cock ring. Sure they're going to go younger for the cast. Good or bad they'd be doing that. But they're not going to be trading up the Hollywood food chain, not this soon after the Raimi movies and not with those very easy to read between the lines press releases. They're going to get flavor of the months, and you're going to cry when the names are announced. I would rather it be different. But it never has been before, not in this situation, and I really doubt this is going to be Spiderman's lucky day. Damn, you'd think people around here would know how this game is played.
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That sexy enough? Yeah.
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Sony, meanwhile, can - as the kids are wont to say - "suck it." Sony's a bunch of asshats connected by short-sighted dipshits. Kudos to Sam and the gang for NOT letting Sony bend them over. Yes, it WILL be another origin story. Yes, it WILL have stupid, current villains shoehorned into the movie. Yes, it will have some "hot young actor" who looks good but couldn't make stand-in at his high school Christmas program in the lead. Fuck Sony. Sam, I hope you end up directing the next big movie, while Sony flounders.
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Jan 11, 2010 6:37:46 PM CST
"Sony thinks the brand is more valuable than Raimi and Tobey Mag
by thehumanburrito
Well, yeah, only a few hundred nerds-at BEST-cared about a SpiderMan movie because it was from the director of The Evil Dead. %99 of the audience do not know, or care, about Raimi's body of work...just as %99 of Raimi did not know or care about Spiderman's body of work, ZING!
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Seriously...rebooting already? You don't reboot something until it is long forgotten. Even though the third wasn't a great film, it was still successful and better than most of what hollywood puts out...and that was just a couple of years ago. Rebooting now is stupid.
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That thing that throws fire and looks like a horned version of the Abomination with a cloak? Seriously... that's what some of you people want for the next movie?
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I agree with the above poster, this is what it will be called.
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I just watched his origin story a few years ago.. now they're rebooting it again? Just so they can put out another trilogy.. it's lame lame lame lame.
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And then fucking die.
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Jan 11, 2010 6:39:58 PM CST
I love Raimi but he wanted to make the same movie 3 times
by rene_belloq_12inch_figure
First one green goblin is not that evil, but is bad because the green goblin controls him.
Second one Dr. Octopuss is bad, but he's not that bad its his robot armas controlling him.
Sandman is not that evil, but he has a sick daughter so he steals shit but he's not that evil.
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He stuck to his guns and didn't compromise. Sony are idiots but then if the new Spiderman is like a Batman Begins and makes it better how can we argue.It could be like Tim Burton's and Chris Nolan's Batman. Very different but both great. Just don't get Joel Schumacher to direct Spiderman. It needs to have a comic edge but also scary and edgy. I can't really see any other way to do Spiderman than Raimi's movies right now. Can anyone give me a new direction? If they put him at high school as Spiderman it kind of ruins the original movies.
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Sony is pathetic and I hope they realize I and other fans will boycott them. So now will have teen spidey with Twilight like connections. Fuck them.
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No more Kirsten Dunst as MJ! HUZZAH!
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Hollywood is imploding. Before you know it they'll be rebooting Thor. And Hulk a second time. I quit watching movies. It's the only way to win.
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Jan 11, 2010 6:41:10 PM CST
I love Raimi but he wanted to make the same movie 3 times
by rene_belloq_12inch_figure
First one green goblin is not that evil, but is bad because the green goblin controls him.
Second one Dr. Octopuss is bad, but he's not that bad its his robot armas controlling him.
Sandman is not that evil, but he has a sick daughter so he steals shit but he's not that evil.
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Jan 11, 2010 6:41:24 PM CST
GET A HOTTER MARY JANE!!! ONE AS GOOD AS THE COMICS.
by gibsonusa returns
Dunst looked too plain jane.
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Jan 11, 2010 6:41:30 PM CST
I love Raimi but he wanted to make the same movie 3 times
by rene_belloq_12inch_figure
First one green goblin is not that evil, but is bad because the green goblin controls him.
Second one Dr. Octopuss is bad, but he's not that bad its his robot armas controlling him.
Sandman is not that evil, but he has a sick daughter so he steals shit but he's not that evil.
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The fear now is that they will go Twilight/CW stunt casting.....oh wait, this is MARVEL not DC. But we still have the SONY factor, who might want to go that route. I trust Marvel.
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This is ridiculous. Rebooting a franchise already? Shoulda seen it coming with them rebooting Fantastic Four so soon, but Jesus. Hollywood is truly eating itself. Yeah, Spider-Man 3 was shit. And made a shit ton of money. So Sony want another, and Raimi and co bolt - WHY does that mean it HAS to be a reboot? Just recast and make a loose sequel. Stay away from the Goblins and Octopuses and origins and whatever-the-fuck-else were covered in the previous three, and have at it! Fuck's sake, is it THAT hard?? Tell you what, in twelve months when Blonkamp decides he wants to do Halo after all, or Cameron gets busy with new stuff, and you Hollywood fuckers can;t come up with any decent original ideas between you - don't bother thinking too much: just reboot Avatar and District 9. You utter, massive, thundering arseholes.
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http://tinyurl.com/8x8u5d
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just wait until you hear his *Spiderman Voice*(tm)
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Jan 11, 2010 6:43:35 PM CST
Spidey reboot could share continuity with Iron Man/Avengers?
by raw_bean
Just a pie in the sky hope, but maybe Sony could see the potential of allowing the rebooted Spider-Man to share continuity with the in-house Marvel Studios films (Iron Man/Thor/Cap/Avengers)? Peter Parker photographing Downey's Tony Stark at some NY event or something, Sam Jackson's Nick Fury trying to recruit spidey for the Avengers, Spidey/Peter appearing in some capacity IN the Avengers movie or in one of the other individual films? I know it's a pipe dream but it gets my Marvel geek juices flowing. :^)
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He's on tour with his band right now. I'm going to get ahold of him and tell him to call his agent right away to get his name at the top of the list for Peter Parker. He's a pretty good actor (check him out in S. Darko) and I think he has the perfect look and personality for the role.
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FUCK YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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FUCK YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I thought she was a horrible choice for MJ since the get go.
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Rebooting a ten year old franchise is stupid, to be sure, but let's not poop our Levis over it.
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... but around a DECADE had elapsed between Schumacher burying the franchise is a giant neon nippled gay grave... We bitch and moan about them digging up old TV shows but The A-Team is a quarter century old...
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zac and vanessa as the vulture and vulturess!!11.
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Jan 11, 2010 6:45:09 PM CST
Nathan Fillion as Spider-Man is a great idea by AsimovLives
by rene_belloq_12inch_figure
Nathan Fillion can direct and Star.
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WES BENTLEY AS SPIDERMAN
ISLA FISHER AS MARY JANE
JOHN LITHGOW AS THE LIZARD
VIN DIESEL AS KRAVEN
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Not to direct the film but I can just see a load of scientists explaining to sam neill that Hollywood will run out of original ideas in one month.
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The major reason the first two Spider-Man films worked so well was they were being made by a guy who understood the comic books. I really hope they find someone who has that understanding and not....Brett Ratner or McG, two people who massacred franchises they clearly didn't comprehend. Then there's the lead....good luck on the studios settling on another young actor with character, especially since they want to go back to high school. They seem to be more flexible on this with older actors but not younger actors. So I have a bad feeling we're getting someone from Disney on this one. On the bright side potential new Green Goblin and no Kirsten Dunst. But no J.K. Simmons....crap.
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wouldn't surprise me.
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And so did we.
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Nothing against her, but sorry, see was not Mary Jane in any version.
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now lets get us some Evil Dead 4
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Isn't that guy as old as Tobey?
After his performance in Ghost Rider I don't think I ever want to see him onscreen again.
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That's a very GOOD thing. The Spider-man franchise (and all other superhero series) need to get to get to the point after the first film or two where the character becomes timeless, like James Bond. A setting where the films can be made forever.
For Spider-man, that would be as a nerdy highschooler struggling with responsibility, money, and girls, while fighting super villains. That was the height of the comics, that's how the world thinks of him. That's his stable point.
Comics are a serial publication, and the character was made for that format. Marriages, drastic changes to the setting, are typically mistakes that later need to be fixed. -
Although.... now we have the very real possibility of Micheal Cera as Peter.. take that as you will.
Do this right PLEASE! -
pretty please with sugar on top
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Jan 11, 2010 6:50:16 PM CST
Can they give the movie a title and not a number, please?
by snootyboots
If it's a recast reboot taking the character back to his roots in High School it's not going to be a sequel to, or continuation of the first 3 movies. Not the fourth in a series. So, why not give it a fun title? Even if it's SPIDERMAN MISSES THE PROM, that's better than a dull and incorrect SPIDERMAN 4.
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...but I'd rather see him do Warcraft than Spidey 4.
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Really need to go to bed but can't tear myself away.
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I predict such casting first.
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http://sprinkledinpink.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/fasl06_vanities0705.jpg
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On Time square!
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Was absolutely hot as MJ! In the first one I wanted to bone her so baaad!!!!
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Everything will be rebooted.
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Anyone who doesn't agree is a Racist!
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...if they cast Michael Cera as Peter Parker.
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If they make it a tween fest I will be out for blood
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Jan 11, 2010 6:53:27 PM CST
Ghost Rider needs more of a Reboot than Spidey
by rene_belloq_12inch_figure
Just continue with new director and new characters, its too soon to torture us with the same shit. Everyone knows he gets bitten by radioactive spider and shit.
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mutherfucker
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dangling in our collective faces!
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By far more "fair and balanced" compared to CNN, CBS, ABC, NBC, morning and evening shows where you can tell the broadcaster is "lying through their teeth" or not telling the whole truth/being themselves. Oh, yeah... Spidy reboot... this early... damn greedy bastards - creativity takes TIME!!
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This movie will SUCK on the principle of karma alone!
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JASON MEWES AS SPIDERMAN.
BEN AFFLECK AS MARY JANE.
JASON LEE AS CARNAGE
ELIZA DUSHKU AS GWEN STACEY
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Jan 11, 2010 6:55:46 PM CST
Kirsten Dunst was no Mary Jane. Thank goodness she's gone.
by gibsonusa returns
She looks too plain jane. Hard to believe her as the popular/"hot" girl in school.
She's more the popular girl's sidekick.
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No matter what would have happened, it is all but guaranteed to SUCK!!! Here's an idea, let god damn Disney have the franchise wholesale since they own it now anyway and bring in the god damn gay cast and crew of high school fucking musical to do the fucking thing!
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"Whomever takes this needs to be able to do what is most important in this industry: tell the studio to GET FUCKED if necessary to make a superior film." I think you meant to write: "tell the studio to GET FUCKED BUT ALSO PLEASE GIVE ME LOTS OF YOUR MONEY if necessary to make a superior film."
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...he just seemed creepy, and Kristen Dunst was miscast as Mary Jane. I hope that they make the reboot using the continuity of the original comic book.
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That's not a bad idea at all, if she can get rid of that hick accent of hers. It's probably a put-on anyway
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As you have shit on the rest of us! FUCK YOU!
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Thanks God.
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Ha ha!
Is it wrong to wanna bury your face in the Queen's tits?
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COS YOU KINOW YOU WANT IT OH SO FUCKING BAD IT HURTS!!
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Though if they make it like the incredible hulk it would be cool, but I think they should just continue on the story line they have right now, with new people than go back to high school for peter. I am kinda relieved though that Sam Raimi aint doing this cause honestly i didn't like any of the spider-man movies, they were ok but not anything great in my opinion. If they completely reboot it i think that is retarded and should no be done origin story has been done we know it we don't need to see it. maybe in like 30-40 years from now when a spider-man hasn't been done for a while then maybe an origin story would be good, but not 10 years after the original came out that is ridiculous.
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Sony wanted morbius, and wanted to make him young and emo
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I can't even bring myself to mention that shit movie with sparkly vampires in this TB. Shame on all of you for associating it with Spiderman.This isn't the worst news I have ever heard and I have to agree with Stereotypical Evil Archer that the last three had to much gloss.Writing is key but if they want a studio guy that can also stand his ground I would like to see what Antoine Fuqua can do with it.
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oh why not!
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I started writing that as a joke, but if he can manage an American accent, I could actually probably see that.
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I'm pretty sick of Spiderman. I wouldn't care if they left it for a good five years before making another one.
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Jan 11, 2010 7:04:49 PM CST
To those who spit on Raimi and the Spidey movies he made...
by the french-dude
Just FUCK YOU, you fuckin' hypocrits. When Spider-man came out back in 2002 everybody went nuts calling it THE BEST COMIC-BOOK movie ever made. Didn't have half of the nay-sayers it has today. Go figure !
Just try finding ANYONE who loves the character so much and was so in sync with the mood of the Golden Age, including all its goofyness or cheesyness (cause that's also part of Parker). No other adaptation was so true to the material. Of course some things were changed, but nothing that de-natured the comic-book. Don't throw everything away just because Spider-man 3 was a nice little a mess.
Besides, the suits imposed Venom on Raimi, despite the trillions his movies made, they still didn't let him as much freedom as WB did with Nolan, and THAT's the shame.
They did it again, and it's good for Raimi to go if he can't have it his way. But it's NO GOOD for Spidey. No need to be a fuckin' genius to know that the "reboot" or whatever they make will NEVER top the other movies, not EVEN the third one.
They've just ruined it for all the million people who fell in love with those movies.
One question : Do you know a great director with a true visual style and deep respect for the material, who will dare to step after Raimi AND who will kneel before Zony, meaning it won't even be HIS vision but theirs ?
Don't go fuckin' dreaming about James Cameron, the King of the World has other priorities. Even uttering his name along with Spider-man is ten million times more naive than thinking that FOX didn't ass-fucked Joss Whedon. And they did it twice.
All of this to say : Everybody has his problems with a lot of movies, but saying that Sam Raimi didn't do a good job, so much that you read stuff like "Good Riddance" or "FUCK HIM"... That's just sad and stupid, and if you have a minimum of objectivity and brain, you know it.
If you don't, then again, FUCK YOU.
PS : Since the new movie is definitely coming and that i will probably go see it, i'll have my Spider-man inevitable reboot with some Whedon on it. The man definitely will be in his element, fighting with the Studio and still making a gorram flick.
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That's... hmm. Not that bad, actually, if they're going back to high school... but risky. It's a casting decision that would make or break the movie all on its own.
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The first film isn't even eight years old. This is hilarious. So, the studio is probably going to hire some jellyfish who can be controlled so we can get another shitty movie like Spider-Man 3. Awesome. Unless they somehow decide to hire some incredibly talented director from out of nowhere, like the suggestion above to hire Cuaron. The problem is, any director like that who could be hired isn't going to accept studio ramrod bullshit any more than Raimi accepted it. So, it's a foregone conclusion: it's going to suck. The only question is: how bad?
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That Spidey should be like Bond is spot on. Or like Doctor Who. The character is iconic, the setting and set-up are practically universally known, just do a film every five years with a different cast, maybe do two or three with the same cast and just keep rebooting it, do the same with the X-Men and Supes and Batman - hell they've got enough stories. If there were talented actors and directors attached I'll be happy to keep paying for this stuff pretty much indefinitely.
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Don't seem to realize that Sam (probably my favorite director) was just about to DESTROY the next film! I mean, fucking VULTURE!? And Malkovich's retarded-assed line readings?This whole notion that the studio insisting that S-M 3 have at least one cool villain was a BAD THING is retarded too!This a GOOD THING folks! It's the best possible thing for the franchise! Dunst was ABHORENT as the butt-ugly, whiney, fickle BITCH version of Mary Jane. And where was all the smart-ass comments from Spidey? That's sort of his TRADEMARK! That's what makes him fucking SPIDER-MAN! The ONLY time he ever did it was "Quiet, grown-ups are talking" and it was brilliant! 2 movies later all he can do is stand there and cry! It's just ridiculous!
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I want that lanky Eastern European girl, the landlord's daughter, to bake me some cookies.
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Spiderman 3 made a shed load of money so do you think sony think they got it wrong no.Thats why they will dictate to any director what they want and thats life
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I am glad Sony put a stake in the heart of this franchise..It was its destiny..Tobey will go on to better things like "Brothers" and others..I wait silently for THE AVENGERS
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and a filthy whore for Mary Jane. I wreckon we could get ron into a lycra suit!
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Of course we won't know if this is a good thing or a bad thing until we see the results.
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J.K. Simmons should stay on as J.J.
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Really? Interesting. You know who did that "bullshit script"? Long time since i read it. Yeah about those Organic webshooters: This online argument has been made since the dawn of this franchise. Yeah sure. It "makes sense". But it also:
Takes away the scientist in the character.
Removes the drama of running out of web cartridges
And most importantly
Makes Peter Parker a FREAK.
How can he ever get a physical?
AT THE DOCTOR:
"Oh, look Pete. You have...Holes on your wrists?"
No one takes the time to analyze the webbing left behind the city?
CSI TEAM PEOPLE:
"Hey guys, this stuff is biological."
"Obviously we're dealing with some sort of freak."
Really, this is Spider-Man. Not dark knight. I want super powers and i want a super smart nerd that invents the web fluid to match those powers.
Im sorry if i sound snarky.
Im a just a cynical bastard.
Lots of things in Raimis movies were wrong for me. However for the general audience. (The money) Things were right. I like to believe that the things in spider-man 1+2 that worked best were those that were lifted straight from the comic. As Stan wrote them. -
Tonight I will burn a pile of SONY execs in effigy. I'll get drunk and have a funeral for Rami's Spiderman. FUCK YOU SONY! FUCK YOU A MILLION TIMES FUCK YOU!
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Honestly it sounds like garbage they're pushing through to try and get some of the Twilight fanbase. Except this is going to fail horribly. The Spider-Man story has already been established, the next movie would have done fantastic no matter what, and they go and screw it up. Idiots!
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I'm not a huge Tobey fan, but he seems decent enough and made them $300 mil along with Raimi at the helm. I agree Simmons WAS JJ Jameson. I'm happy that Raimi gets to go do his own thing, but what we needed was a solid script, a great villain, and to progress the story into a zone we've yet to see. We've seen origins and we've seen reboots and now we need to see heroes somewhere into the middle of their 'career' or something. Reboots aren't always a bad thing as much as I still dread them when they're "too soon". Star Trek proved OK and The Thing was better than the original, but you need the proper timing and reasons for it. With Elm Street an aging actor and new effects are decent enough reasons to reboot, but a frame-for-frame remake might not be the answer. Superman Returns is re-watchable even with the kid theme. Routh did better than most with a huge pair of boots to fill.
Bale needed to wipe our memories of Joel Schumacher's horrid Batman films and it was OK and intentional to use 'gritty and real' with a character who deserved to be 'gritty and real' directed by someone who treated it as a movie and not a "comic book" movie. If they DO go the reboot route PLEASE let it be newcomers who can act and who aren't hired for popularity or good looks alone! Would have been nice to see if Raimi could do one more 'good one' to rinse the taste of the last studio-mangled film. Stop cannibalizing film with these too soon reboots. Overall the pros outweighed the cons on this series and we didn't hit Batman & Robin level blunders on the last one. And the cast wasn't too old to do at least one more.
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Reboot movie would be great. oh wait, we're getting tron. i wonder if gumby will be in that....
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I always knew this was going to happen as when Raimi/Maguire talked about SM4 in interviews it was like they both decided it would be as & when on their terms or nothing....
Memo from your agents dudes studios hate it when you try & powerplay especially when they hold ALL the cards. What cards do Raimi/Maguire have...... exactly nothing. All post SM work has been pretty medicore at best (I'm being very polite here obviously!).
Raimi/Maguire just pissed away their biggest paychecks ever when Sony would make the movie regardless they should have just done it & tried to make the best movie possible in the timeframe.
But instead now we get a lousy teen-friendly reboot with mostly unknowns & high 3D CGI shot counts with emotionally bland non-existent storylines.....
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Sony should be making an anouncment within the week. She just got the part Sony is extremely happy that she was interested in the partNo parker casting yet Logan Lerman is the front runner, but some excecs are worried that at 17 he's a little too young especially next to winstead, however by start of filming he will be closer to 19 and that could change everything. I'll keep you updated
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Jan 11, 2010 7:16:21 PM CST
IF I see this movie, i'll certainly download a torrent of it. FU
by shaell
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Studios dont know shit. There's no point. Fuck it. Just stick with the comics. A spiderman film cannot be done justice.
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SM3 made more money than Zeus. It's flawed, yes. I hated it, yes. But in my heart I knew there was another one in Raimi and Maguire. Now, Sony's gonna pump out a cheap knock-off of its biggest franchise just to keep Marvel Studios at bay.
Origin retellings aren't the worst thing in the world, but when the best thing about your whole damn franchise is the origin story (save the train sequence), why bother dipping in that well.
In short, Sony bungled. Money is more important than quality, time is more precious than money, and Raimi and Maguire ran out of time, no matter how much money they made those sorry bastards.
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Damn you! For saying that name as a new PP
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can we please stage a mass geek boycott? Not that it will make much of a difference box office-wise, but we have to take a stand somewhere.
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You'll never get my money you fucking brainless fucks!
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I think it's pretty arguable that it was SAM that fucked up Spider-Man 3. If it was JUST Venom, by someone who liked/understood the character, it would have been the Spidey film to end all fucking Spidey films. And you fucking KNOW it.
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This is good news! Now please be at least 91% true to the source material.
1. Web shooters please!! Part of the fun and danger was Spidey always running out of webbing.
2. Gwen Stacy for the first movie
3. MJ must be fecking stunning and happy. No writer has ever imagined her as an above average whiney girl.
4. Enemies must be evil with no stupid sob story. Unless thats how the source had it.
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Oh yeah. As good as the worst of season 2 heroes, I bet.
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...finally got around to seeing The Spectacular Spider-man.
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Disney+Marvel+SONY = 1
"The term "antitrust" was originally formulated to combat "business trusts", now more commonly known as cartels"
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Are they fucking kidding me? This makes as much sense as the 'Fantastic 4' reboot.
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Just let Spidey be in high school, as he was for the first years of the comic book, which were terrific. Toby McGuire was good in #1, ok in #2 (which was my favorite--loved Doc Ock!) but clearly he let himself get chubby, and didn't much care. Definitely time for new blood--and the sooner the better.
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Yeah, I still love Spider-man 2 but Raimi ran the series into the ground with number 3. I'm glad they canned his ass before he could fuck up even further with lame ass villains and more fucking singing/dancing.
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Holy shit this is the best news I've heard all day!!!! Here's hoping, no PRAYING that whoever gets the franchise next casts a better Peter Parker (as much as I'd love to see Topher get it I don't think it'll happen), knows how to blend melodrama with story (a lot of the "emotional " moments in the last 3 Spidey flicks were a sick joke), and most importantly, can deal with the fact that it's not the fucking 1960s and can give us stories and villains from all eras of Spider-Man's history (that's right I'm talking about a movie where Venom doesn't get fucked over by a Silver Age fanboy). The Spectacular Spider-Man and the 90s Spider-Man animated series could do it, I don't see why a high falutin' movie director can't do the same.
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I know this is probably sacrilege but I actually prefer the organic web shooters.
I actually find it more believable that it's just part of his superpower rather than the guy has invented the fluid and the device to shoot it out of. As crazy as it may sound, I think that would come off as ridiculous if they'd kept it that way for the films. -
The X Men and Spidy are back in school, groan.
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Joel Shitmaker will finally have a chance to make another superhero movie after the goodness that was Batman and Robin.
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Cut to white. Then reboot with new cast. One More Day is finally realized on screen. Sigh. And I thought they were gonna go far enoough in the Raimi-verse to do a Sinister Six movie.
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...as if he WOULD. But I seem to remember that back in the day, when Marvel was still coming out of bankruptcy and everyone was fighting over who had the movie rights to the character, Cameron had penned a Spider-Man script that had impressed a few people. Now imagine a Cameron-scripted Spider-Man in 3D IMAX. Mmmmm. NOW we're talkin'.
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I am so glad they are taking it away from Raimi after the mess he made of Spiderman 3.
And as I said in the last thread, did the studio force Raimi to make the Sandman the real killer of Uncle Ben? Did the studio force Raimi to put a dance number in? Did the studio force Raimi to put in Exposition Butler?
Not to mention, Raimi still wanted the movie to have three villains (if you count New Goblin). It's just the studio made him put in Venom instead of the Vulture, like he originally wanted.Stop giving Raimi a free pass on that shitty movie. -
You have bad intel my friend.
My sources at Lindsay Lohan's Management Team have assured me that she has already signed on the dotted line for MJ. They even emailed me a scan of her contract. -
The venom thing were the studio's and Marvel's decision, so you can't blame Raimi on that.
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telling everyone that Zac Efron is playing Parker and whining about the awesome Spectacular Spider-Man. He's an internet bully who watches wrestling, so go figure.
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Bring back the mechanical web-shooters. There have been tons of rational explanations for them in the comics and animated series. Anyone who doesn't like/understand em', point them towards Wikipedia or something, but this whole "the mechanical web-shooters and the fluid just don't make sense dude" nonsense just needs to DIE. It's irrelevant. I pretty much agree with everything Damien Chowder said.
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Sorry, true believers, but the idea that a high school kid not only got super spider powers, but also just randomly invented something 3M couldn't do with their millions of research dollars, absolutely kills suspension of disbelief in a movie. Organic webs was the best idea Raimi had.
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Even if its not Elfman.
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Has anyone watched that? The first season was fantastic. If they're going to go back to high school, they took take a lesson from that show. The Venom episodes were exactly what SM3 should have been.
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You want sex appeal, why skimp out? But that's not for a couple movies. Get Zooey D. for Gwen in the first movie (and 2/3 of the second), and the female side of the equation is sewn up.
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Jan 11, 2010 7:35:11 PM CST
RAIMI DIDN'T EVEN INVENT THE ORGANIC WEB SHOOTERS!!!FACT!!
by tehcreepythinman
He got that idea from the treatment that James Cameron did in the 90's. I read about it in an old issue of Fangoria.
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Mary Jane will never date me if I have pimples! Never!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Make it fun and make Peter a smart ass, young funny but strong and brave hero. Not a nerd of the 1st degree like Toby McQuire played him. In Fact none of the Former cast lest of all Rami knew the Source material, the Story or what makes Spiderman work. For those screaming not another orgin story. You must realize that Rami Ruined Spiderman's Orgin, made shit up as he went along and messed up everything. If this reboot fixes half the crap Rami messed up, then It will be great.
1.) Call it the Amazing Spiderman
2.) Hire a Real Babe to play MJ
3.) Get a Funny, Confident Peter.
4.) Go Lite on Uncle Ben and Aunt May
5.) Make a real dangerous scary Green Goblin, not a power ranger
6.)Interduce more villians in camo roles, speed up the process, and set up the sequels leading to the Sinster Six.
7.) Tie it into the Avengers
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I vote FOR them. Parker's a genius. The other movies threw in self-aware super-strong tentacles that can control minds, developed just as a TOOL by a guy working on fusion. Nobody would think twice about webshooters, except a few angry talkbackers.
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I bet they'll make it more Twilight. Only reason for bringing Spidey back to highschool.
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— and let him start on this…
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this casting can be seen a mile away...Disney runs that roost now.
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Do something totally different. Get a talented kid like Logan Lerman or Freddie Highmore and go from there.
The first 2 Raimi movies worked but even from the start I felt he was kind of phoning it in in some ways, dispirited and depressed with big studio work. He desperately tried to push "quirky Raimi ideas" where they didn't fit, like the Vulture and the big SM3 musical number, to try and make himself happier. He was burnt out. Even DRAG ME TO HELL was a limp effort thanks to his years toiling in the Spidey mill. -
You know it bitches! Throw some long red hair on him and he'd be perfect.
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Its going to be awful!
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Better a true comic book geek than McG!
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after the ditko skinny peter parker, the romita parker was bulkier.
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Kanye as the villain! Taylor Swift as MJ! Taylor and Taylor in Spiderman! Yup, that's how the Sony people will be thinking....
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Casting this bitch is going to be a motherfugger.
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why not her a mj??? hahahahaha
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I WILL NOW DRIVE EVERY FRANCHISE I CONTROL INTO THE GROUND, THEN REBOOT IT -- THEN REBOOT THE REBOOT, IN A PATENTED MOVE I WILL DUB "THREEBOOT" -- BECAUSE I LIVE ONLY TO SQUEEEEEEZE EVERY DIME I CAN OUT OF EVERY SITUATION I ENCOUNTER! NOTHING ELSE MATTERS! RADIOACTIVE STUDIO CHIEF VENOM COURSES THROUGH MY VEINS! REBOOT! THREEBOOT! INFINITIBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT!!!!!!!!
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You people realize that Sony and Disney are not only different companies, they're COMPETING companies? This isn't some weird collusion so Sony can promote Disney's golden-boy.
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Something else I forgot (thanks LoranSolo 7000). Since Marvel's making an actual movie-verse continuity, make the new Spider-Man movie a part of that (and F4 and anything else that gets rebooted).
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And after the romance, she eats her boyfriend!
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If he did, I wouldn't mind Zac Efron at all either because after Avatar I have faith that Cameron will deliver a transformative experience defining how we look at the Spiderman character. Plus, Zac Efron is twenty times more charismatic than Sam Worthington and my kids find him quite hilarious so I think he would be a good fit.
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at least for 5 or ten years so i may recover from that shit debacle that spiderman 3 was
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Jan 11, 2010 7:45:05 PM CST
THANK FUCKING GOD : ) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by illuminate
About fucking time. Sam Rami's Spider-Man was 1. Not even as stylized and cool as when Todd McFarlane started drawing him and those are old comics from the fucking 80's. Rami was stuck in “stick figure” spider-man of the 60's. Spider-Man has evolved into a more cooler Spider like figure that moves and swings through the air like a spider with style in the comics. Rami had him swinging through the air like he is about to fart and without style. THE NEXT DIRECTOR BETTER LOOK AT MCFARLANE AND THE OTHER RECENT COMIC ARTIST LEGENDS WHO MADE Spider-Man LOOK COOL 2. Sam Rami loves sucking dick because he did not make MJ a model like she is in the comics. There is nothing wrong with wanting to swallow another man's cum, but don't put your shit on other peoples plates. Also, Dunst is fucking ugly like a zombie. MJ is the perfect 10 hot model with a heart of gold that fell in love with a nerd. Rami never fucking got that!!!!!!!!!! 3. I never liked the snobby attitudes of both Dunst and Tobey, who acted bored during the interviews for the Spider-Man movies. Fuck those losers. We won't remember their fucking names in a few years. Good buy assholes. 4. What separates Spider-Man from other marvel super heroes is that he's funny. During fighting Spider-Man cracks jokes and he barely fucking did that in the Rami movies. Get an actor who can do improv (like a white Eddie Murphy, umm, when Eddie was funny). Rami never understood Spider-Man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's like having Superman not fly you dumb fuck:Sam Rami. Go back to shitty Darkman movies you fucking loser, you can no longer feed off Spider-Man. Good bye assholes and thanks for shitting on Spider-Man for three movies. Spider-Man 2 was an ok movie, but it was missing some serious shit (1-4) so fuck Spider-Man 2, I would rather watch the 90's cartoon which was more faithful. They would be crazy to not offer it to James Cameron. I read Cameron's script for Spider-Man and he would not fuck it up.
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i'm guessing it cost the budget of Sherlock Holmes to get Raimi and Toby and Dunst off Spiderman. i hope they enjoy every fucking penny.
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i'm guessing it cost the budget of Sherlock Holmes to get Raimi and Toby and Dunst off Spiderman. i hope they enjoy every fucking penny.
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JAMES CAMERON'S UNCANNY X-MEN IN 3-D, reuniting him with either Zoe Saldana or Angela Bassett as Storm. YOU CANNOT TELL ME THIS WOULD NOT MAKE MASSIVE BANK.
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Jan 11, 2010 7:45:34 PM CST
SPIDER-MAN 3 SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE DARK KNIGHT OF THIS SERIES!!!
by tehcreepythinman
I wanted a movie that was dark and powerful. Instead we got emo Parker and MJ the self-centered troll.
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Not that anyone is reading 5000 posts down, but... the only good thing about rebooting a franchise like this 10 years in is that it paves the way for a much-needed Fantastic Four reboot.
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Jan 11, 2010 7:45:52 PM CST
James Cameron directs Shia LaBeouf in The Amazing Spiderman
by irc-hollywood
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They know the material…
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Jan 11, 2010 7:46:01 PM CST
THANK FUCKING GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by illuminate
About fucking time. Sam Rami's Spider-Man was 1. Not even as stylized and cool as when Todd McFarlane started drawing him and those are old comics from the fucking 80's. Rami was stuck in “stick figure” spider-man of the 60's. Spider-Man has evolved into a more cooler Spider like figure that moves and swings through the air like a spider with style in the comics. Rami had him swinging through the air like he is about to fart and without style. THE NEXT DIRECTOR BETTER LOOK AT MCFARLANE AND THE OTHER RECENT COMIC ARTIST LEGENDS WHO MADE Spider-Man LOOK COOL 2. Sam Rami loves sucking dick because he did not make MJ a model like she is in the comics. There is nothing wrong with wanting to swallow another man's cum, but don't put your shit on other peoples plates. Also, Dunst is fucking ugly like a zombie. MJ is the perfect 10 hot model with a heart of gold that fell in love with a nerd. Rami never fucking got that!!!!!!!!!! 3. I never liked the snobby attitudes of both Dunst and Tobey, who acted bored during the interviews for the Spider-Man movies. Fuck those losers. We won't remember their fucking names in a few years. Good buy assholes. 4. What separates Spider-Man from other marvel super heroes is that he's funny. During fighting Spider-Man cracks jokes and he barely fucking did that in the Rami movies. Get an actor who can do improv (like a white Eddie Murphy, umm, when Eddie was funny). Rami never understood Spider-Man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's like having Superman not fly you dumb fuck:Sam Rami. Go back to shitty Darkman movies you fucking loser, you can no longer feed off Spider-Man. Good bye assholes and thanks for shitting on Spider-Man for three movies. Spider-Man 2 was an ok movie, but it was missing some serious shit (1-4) so fuck Spider-Man 2, I would rather watch the 90's cartoon which was more faithful. They would be crazy to not offer it to James Cameron. I read Cameron's script for Spider-Man and he would not fuck it up.
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why not...better than most young actors...
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I want to see something along the vein of Iron Man and incredible Hulk. Skip the origin retread story (hulk) and keep it light and serious (IM). This doesn't need some big shot in the spidey suit, but someone who can pull off nerd and hero at the same time and keep it light hearted.
Kraven would be great. Two ways you could do him, old and past his prime (stallone) or in his prime (the rock). -
...when the trailer kicks your butt up around the back of your head. Mark my words, everyone saying they won't see it will be in line opening day.
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would it pain Sony that much to have Spider-Man 4 with Raimi and Crew pushed back to 2012? Cameron should be working on stuff way better than Spider-Man, so keep him away from this.
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...the never ending nerd blood feud. Here's my take on it, and please don't bother flaming me in response because I don't actually care in any capacity beyond being an average movie-goer who likes superheroes... but every hero gets ONE (1) unbelievable aspect. Parker gets bitten by a radioactive spider, gets super powers; I'll buy that. Parker gets super powers AND just so happens to invent a miracle substance that enables him to use his super powers in a way that fits his chosen superhero theme? Shenannigans. Just like it was BS that the symbiote meteorite JUST HAPPENED to land right next to Spidey... it's too much coincidence. It makes it unbelievable, and adds nothiing to the character, IMO. Who, besides comic geeks, knows or cares that Pete is an aspiring scientist? Being a detective is essential to Batman's character; being a scientist is, IMO, just window dressing for Spidey. Might as well make him a Stick-trained ninja, too. If you're looking to ground these movies in something more closely approximating reality, in order to draw in the crowds, you have to make some compromises to the source material. I think the organic webshooters in place of the deus-ex-science is the absolute best thing they could have done, and I hope they keep it for the reboot. 2 cent AICN toll paid.
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Joseph Gordon Levitt as Peter Parker/Spiderman? He still looks relatively young, he's got the chops, indie cred, he's gangly, and he can hold his own opposite a hot leading lady ( see 500 Days of Summer.) It might screw up a lot of fanboys' plans to cast him as the new Joker, though. Sorry!
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I WILL NOW TAVE OVER A STUDIO, DRIVE EVERY FRANCHISE I CONTROL INTO THE GROUND, AND REBOOT IT -- THEN REBOOT THE REBOOT, IN A PATENTED MOVE I WILL DUB "THREEBOOT" -- BECAUSE I NOW LIVE ONLY TO SQUEEEEEEZE EVERY DIME I CAN OUT OF EVERY SITUTION I ENCOUNTER! NOTHING ELSE MATTERS! RADIOACTIVE STUDIO CHIEF BLOOD COURSES THROUGH MY VEINS! REBOOT! THREEBOOT! INFINITIBOOOOOOOOOOOOT!!!!!!
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I hope James Cameron reads this article and at least mulls over the idea of taking on Spidey. "James Cameron's Spider-Man..." can you imagine—?!
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Young black spidey with Maestro Harrell from the Wire. It would kill off the least healthy members of the fundamentalist fanboy community as soon as it was announced, but goddamn if that wouldn't get my ass in a seat opening night.
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Brett Ratner's spider sense is tingling
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well...now I wish Topher Grace hadn't been in Spidey 3. he would make an excellent Spider-man, IMO...
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It's Percy Jackson & The Lightning Thief you fuck knuckle.
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You're all ungrateful fuckpigs who will get the shitty spidey films ye deserve.
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that Tobie has optioned.
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Jan 11, 2010 7:55:36 PM CST
DO SPIDEY JUSTICE THIS TIME AROUND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by illuminate
All you mother fuckers out there who liked the movies aren't real Spider-Man fans since those movies where not close to what Spider-Man is in the comics. Read my previous posts. If you liked the movies and the next director is more faithful to the comics than you are going to love the next movies even more. Don't forget to cast actresses that we would want to fuck. I would let Kirsten Dunst suck my dick and swallow my cum once and then when the bitch calls I would not return her phone call because she LOOKS LIKE A FUCKING ZOMBIE. DO IT RIGHT IN THE FUCKING REBOOT. Cast someone who is fuckable and is a good actress like Anne Hathaway. AND MAKE SURE SPIDEY IS FUCKING FUNNY THIS GOD DAMNED TIME. WHY? BECAUSE HE IS FUCKING GOD DAMNED FUNNY AND CRACKING JOKES AT THE BAD GUYS IN THE COMICS AND THAT'S HIS TRADEMARK THAT SEPERATES HIM FROM OTHER SUPERHEROES GET IT FUCKING RIGHT THIS TIME ASSHOLES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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...and get back to playing music.
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Jan 11, 2010 7:56:46 PM CST
Should go with a Spider-Girl movie instead
by isleptwithkathybatesandallthatigotwasthi
It's a good comic!
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Most of them already have several kids by the age that Peter is supposed to get his powers and I don't see a way for them to work around that.
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Thank you. Just… Thank you.
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Big Lob makes his move.
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cuz theres evil military people that want bruce banners formula and shit like that.
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there was no way to make a live action 3d spiderman in a year and a half. i'm guessing that Avatar had more to do with sony being willing to payoff and lose Raimi and Toby when the last 3 films were so successful.
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Jan 11, 2010 7:57:35 PM CST
WHO STRETCHED THIS TALKBACK?
by isleptwithkathybatesandallthatigotwasthi
Without even looking, i reckon it's TehCreepyThinMan.
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So, his script didn't follow the current franchise's arc? Why did they hire him to do that initially? Maybe Sony had always had it in mind to dump Raimi...
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Too bad studios actually think like this. When you pick someone fresh from the cover of Tigerbeat the character really isn't relateable anymore. Peter Parker, post-spider-bite, isn't written as that bad looking a guy but he's not Robert Pattinson either. Its at least conceivable tha Tobey Maguire's life in high school was a living hell.
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ALL YOU MOTHER FUCKERS ARE GOING TO PAY! YOU ARE THE ONES WHO ARE THE BALL LICKERS! WE'RE GONNA FUCK YOUR MOTHERS WHILE YOU WATCH AND CRY LIKE LITTLE BITCHES! Etc, etc.
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It's actually Paul W S Anderson doing the Avatar reboot.
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Maguire sucked as Peter Parker. NO charisma. Dunst never had any of the fire of MJ from the comics (while he did not have any of the one-liners which is a MAJOR part of who he is, and the fun of reading the comic).
Raimi did help make comic movies more mainstream and acceptable. Thank you.
But ignoring Gwen Stacy at first, then MJ dangling from the bus, just basically how he treated the source material...f#@ that.
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That is the most incredibly stupid thing ever posted on this site... Nip/Tuck is "sober drama"? ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING? Nip/Tuck is smarmy wanna-porn written by someone with the talent of a 10th grader.
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The predictability of these Hollywood turds is fucking hilarious.
They should turn it into a comedy with a laugh track, seeing the laughs have already begun.
Hollywood = Pathetic.
Cinema is officially dead. -
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0416236/
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Although I still think that they should leave the damn franchise alone. Are we really going to go ten years between reboots? Really? But yeah if they're going to do it again, they should go with kids that actually look like they are in highschool still. I say go with Anton Yelchin as Spiderman and Saoirse Ronan as Mary Jane. Both of these kids have phenomenal talent, granted Yelchin is 3 or 4 years older than Ronan, but still... Could work...
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...of Brett Ratner wafting in from the sidelines?
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an asian spiderman would be even cooler. we've had an irish catholic spiderman. mix it up. at the 4th film this isn't about recreating the comics anymore. it's about making the movies. i'd love to see a peter who isn't white. it would be interesting.
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If it's an origin story again, I'm not going. Just recast and scrap the baggage and narrative we have. Put Parker in his 20s and already well into his powers. That's what I'd like to see anyway. Please no more goofy high school stuff. It's been covered, and it was covered less than 8 years ago! Jeez.
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Jan 11, 2010 8:03:34 PM CST
ISleptWithKathyBatesAndAllThatIG otWasThisStupidTalkbackName, IT
by tehcreepythinman
I resent the implication . You, SIR, are a cad and a bounder.
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And that is also a fact.
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..It's not about Raimi, Tobey, or Spider-Man. This is about how studios are quick to make decisions like this. Are we gonna endure reboots of franchises every decade? This is a bad sign. This goes beyond Spider-Man.
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..It's not about Raimi, Tobey, or Spider-Man. This is about how studios are quick to make decisions like this. Are we gonna endure reboots of franchises every decade? This is a bad sign. This goes beyond Spider-Man.
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Cheers, man. I promise not to start an online petition, though.
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then superhero characters can change race too. uh oh. did i just commit sacrilege?
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Bring in that dude from 300 as Kraven, make him hunt the Lizard (Pete will have to fight off Kraven while trying to cure his Prof) and have one of Pete's egotistical science projects spawn Electro by mistake, he feels guilty as pete always should. Bring in an unknown as Peter and do the story as 60's retro, with everyone looking like a cross between a Ditko drawing and Back to the Future 50's. Make a swingin' MJ but bring in a hottie for Gwen Stacy, Pete's real true love which any REAL Spidey fan knows. Jack's dad from LOST as Captain Stacy!! Make it so, thank me later.
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i'd pay to see maestro harrell as spiderman. why i'm okay with one and not the other? i don't know but somehow to me maestro is closer to Peter Parker than Sam is to Fury. Organic Webshooters=suck. my two cents paid and here's twenty bucks cause i'm highly opinionated and have a lot of pent up nerd rage i love releasing on aicn. i love this site. p.s.---studios I beg you don't give us a high school parker reboot pleeeassse. just continue with where Raimi left off.
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And anyway, it'd take him 12 years to make as he waited for the technology to allow the audience to actually get smacked in the face whenever anyone on screen threw a punch.
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Someone better watch her recreational drug usage. She always has the Bring it On franchise to fall back on.
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Geez. Calm down man. However, much like Raimis spidey movies, you have your valid points and eh...some not so.
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If they'll be getting a genuine
16 - 18 year old actor (I believe US child labor laws dictate actors have to be at least 18,till they can work full time hours on TV and film sets), who unlike Tobey, they should sign up for a 6 film deal at the same price, then they should also start scripting
Spider-Man 5 & 6 and film all 3 films back to back (with the 1 director, or with 2 or 3 directors) to cut costs and have 1 film out a year, instead of having 3 year delays between films. -
The absolute worst superhero film of the past decade. I call it the worst because the first two were so good and the third is so very, very bad in comparison.
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...that it's nice to see some actual geek news worth talking back about on AICN again? This TB is what this site is all about.
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Yeah, how's that for a title, will tap into the zeitgeist of twitter, mobile phones and all the crap that kids like these days. Also, this needs a decent director, like, say, David Lean.
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You know you did, so don't play innocent!
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is an upgrade from kirsten dunst. more of a lateral move.
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But whatever he made would be worth the wait.
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haven't seen it hit the net yet, but someone told me he passed away. :(
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He would be pretty much perfect for the part and everyone here knows it.
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Such a build up for Lizard and left with a hard-on. Or maybe now they can do Lizard?
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What kind of reboot are we yapping about really? Like The Incredible Hulk? Where it's a pseudo sequel or Dark knight where they say "fuck those movies".?
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Sucks
dumb move
they will pay at boxoffice
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Let him make the movie he wants to make - suits. He's only delivered billions. Why isn't there trust?
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He was easily one of the worst parts of Star Trek. Worse even than the brewery engine room production design. And his work in Terminator doesn't really merit this outpouring of love.
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The guy sucks. He's a hack storyteller who knows how to produce nice special effects. How so many people can be suckered by his cliched, hollow love stories, and less-than-an-inch deep characters I will never know.
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The guy sucks. He's a hack storyteller who knows how to produce nice special effects. How so many people can be suckered by his cliched, hollow love stories, and less-than-an-inch deep characters I will never know.
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someone said 300 guy as Kraven--good call, Malkavich or Larry David as Vulture and/or Raimi's buddy whathisface as Mysterio.
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Great actor and a true professional.
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Granted there are several young asian stars who rock as Spiderman, but for the life of me, I can't think of any high school aged black actors in general, not just for this role! What's up with that Hollywood!? Perhaps will Smiths son in a couple years... But seriously, f*ck that kid! He's spoiled enough as it is!
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the terminator and aliens.
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sorry. Smith is entertaining but the kids meh.
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Great, I really wanna watch Peter Parker go through high school again. Fuck this franchise! Also, James Cameron's Spiderman treatment is legendarily awful.
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Mechanical web-shooters! Peter Parker is a scientific GENIUS. Mechanical web-shooters demonstrate this perfectly and add to dramatic tension if Spidey run out of web fluid.Start with Gwen Stacey as the romantic love interest!!! 'Nuff said.No "Power Ranger" Green Goblin and no "snowboarding" Gobey Jr.The burglar killed Uncle Ben! This is what torments Peter every day of his life - that he could have prevented Uncle Ben's death but he let his selfishness get in the way.No public unmaskings. The spidey mask doesn't bother the movie going public; we like spider-man.WISECRACKS!!!Start with a 'b' or 'c' villian ala James Bond for the beginning of the movie!
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That a boy Spidey! FUCK YOU RAIMI!
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"back to his roots" only meant they will be focusing on his struggle with his powers (ala 1 and 2) instead of his relationship with MJ (3).
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...making eddie murphy seem like a slacker loser. not counting his last 10 years of movies. the good eddie.
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Cameron DOES suck...
"Aliens" & "T2" aside, his movies are mostly crap. seriously..."True Lies" was the most boring things I've EVER sat through at a theater. "Titanic" has laughable dialogue and wretched FX. on some levels he is most definitely a hack... sorry Harry. =) -
leaked Superman script. Thankfully, Abrams blowing his nose on the mythology of the greatest superhero who ever lived got us geeks plenty angry. And thankfully, that abomination never came to fruition.
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What they need to do now is sign Raimi and or Maguire to a new Marvel hero. Or maybe if Warners/DC could pull their collective heads out of their asses.
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Scorpions are still arachnids and it would be edgy.
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Jan 11, 2010 8:27:06 PM CST
Cameron sucks? You internet nerds have lost your minds.
by wes_guerrettaz
He's probably the best and most important filmmaker working today if not ever.
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cliched, soulless, unoriginal crap it truly is. The 3D was amazing, but the acting, storytelling, inventiveness, and character depth was beyond pathetic.
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Not every villain has to start out as a good guy/friend of Peter Parker's.Peter's girlfriend doesn't have to get kidnapped by the main villain every single movie.Not every woman in Peter's single life has to be a model. WTF - Gwen introduced during a modeling scene in SM3?!? NEVER have a reporter in any movie tell the audience how we should be feeling as that Australian actress did in SM3. The director should show the audience how to feel using the film & actors!!!
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And I vote NO to black spider-man for the same reasons as i vote YES on mechanical webshooters. I want them to stay true to the source material.
And btw, if anyone wants to see asian spidey, there is always Japanese Spider-man.
MARVEL: Stay true to the source like Iron-Man, update things slightly to bring it up to date and make a fucking fortune.
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Joss Whedon
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C'mon. It was the popularity of the Spider-Man franchise that bought us a slew of superhero flicks in recent years. Some of us remember seeing Nicholas Hammond at the cinema and being a little deflated as he karate-kicked his final henchman into submission. The original film was a thrill, the second built on that solid foundation, and the third was a little busy, but what you got was three top-class Spider-Man films.
The trilogy stands. Sony should leave it alone and concentrate on trying to do another Catwoman movie with Halle and her Berries. -
Levitt is closing in on 30. Sorry, but they need a teenager for this franchise if they want to keep it in high school for a few movies. Preferably an unknown, I hope.
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A reboot that quickly? Doesn't that just bore or tire out your audience. How can you build a series when the audience knows they'll get a brand new version every few years? I dunno, folks.
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be that Spiderman isn't the ultimate bankable super hero that everyone wants him to be?Any origin story reboot will absolutely flop. If you must do it at all, just make a new spiderman movie and assume the other 3 ( 2 even ) existed and told your back story well enough. Don't even try to explain who Spidey is or why he's portrayed by a different actor. Then tell a solid, thoughtful, action filled film with no amazing dramatic twist and nothing goofy. And here's somethign for you Hollywood. DON'T make it spider man vs. any one in particular. Don't make it be about man vs. man. see if you can do that.
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We agree to disagree I guess... Granted I never saw Terminator so he might have sucked in it, but I thought he had a quite clever and comical take on Chekov in the Star Trek reboot. He was also very good in AlphaDog and exceptionally good in Heart in Atlantis. I'm glad you didn't argue with my Saoirse Ronin choice though or I would've had to punch you. That girl is crazy talented.
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I'm interested in what Alvin Sargent or Sam Raimi might have to say, even the cast. Sony was at it's best keeping hands off - that was their best collaboration: trust of Sam's instincts. When he had one heavy too many foisted upon him, the delicate balance was tipped and the movie couldn't sustain it at the level of previous movies. Not that I disliked Spidey 3 as much as most people, but I sure have no curiosity about the vision of the suits and what they do without a Raimi and stars fighting back. While I'd like to see a pay-off in the transformation of Peter's professor to a baddie, and maybe even see Mary Jane out of the picture and Betty Brant (Elizabeth Banks) as the love interest front and center for a few flicks, and maybe see the dark side of his landlord's daughter. . . .THOSE are the only things that might draw me back to see a new Spider-Man flick. Natural pay-offs, not regression to high school. Memo to Sony: The Raimi films (especially the first) benefited from a critical mass of desire for a GOOD live-action Spider-Man. Just as the 1989 Batman coasted somewhat on it's logo fetish and The Phantom Menace coasted entirely on Star Wars as a starved-for brand. But now that is done. I pity anyone who takes the role of Spider-Man from Tobey now, or any director who feels the need to be the next Sidney J. Furie (Superman IV: The Quest For Peace).
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The AVATAR franchise needs a reboot. Disney visionaries see Zac Efron as Sully, Raven-Symoné as Neytiri with Orlando Bloom guest starring as Col. Quartich.
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He doesn't even look like he could beat one of my kids up.
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http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=246343189365
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Just keep it going with new people. So what if the director and actor are different. Personally, I have no interest in returning to his origins again, even if it's not literally an origin story. I gotta watch his teen angst again, and watch him pine over MJ again? Blech.
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no thanks. i suppose anything is better than tobey the damp squib maguire
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thank you! fuck you raimi!
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You have a good idea using Pixar to do the 3D on that but it seems HIGHLY unlikely seeing as how Pixar does whatever the hell they want and it's brilliant no matter what the circumstances. I do hope that Disney takes protective custody over Spiderman though. Pun intended.
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Why are people 'casting' Mary Jane? She doesn't appear in the cannon until much later. That was one of Raimi's worst mistakes, that he transposed Mary Jane for Gwen Stacey.
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"I thought Tobey was an OK Peter Parker but you could totally tell it was hardly ever him in the Spider-Man suit."
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Now we might actually see Carnage and a proper venom!
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Toby Wong...Toby Wong...Toby
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They could do an aging take on him like Miller did with Batman
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— I'll have nightmares for weeks…
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Has to be, put on a couple pounds, not too much, and it'll work.
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And then to boot they chose a natural blond as the redhead and a natural redhead as the blond. most retarded casting ever.
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At least Sony makes a decent gaming system...
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Cast Russell Crowe and have Ridley Scott direct.
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You and me both pal.
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What a week... Talented Funny-man Conan O'Brien most likely out; Hackey Jay Leno back in. Near perfect Raimi/Maguire Spidey franchise out; Studio controlled, rush job, and guaranteed piece of sh*t Spidey franchise in... And to top it off, we might be getting 2 more Fast and Furious movies. Am I missing something here?
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I haven't read the whole talkback. Some retard may have suggested that seriously.
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Jan 11, 2010 8:53:18 PM CST
You morons and your venom/carnage love
by danielplainviewonvacationinboston
Those characters suck. Always did. Are you five years old?
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I like the cut of your jib.
also this just in: Joss Whedon will not direct anything of significance ever. Mostly for having a girlymans first name.
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Sony, another reboot! Can anyone even explain to me what the hell "reboot" even means? And can we just reboot Hollywood so they can generate some goddamn ORIGINAL IDEAS?!
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Yes, we lost Dennis Hopper. :(
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Another origin story set it High School? Been there done that practically just yesterday. This is just stupid.
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He can be every superhero
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If we are going back to highschool Spidy.
Also happy with the news after number 3, was for the most part average to awful. Whilst Venom wasn't handled well, it wasn't Venom that overly annoyed me. -
I don't understand fandom sometimes. But since there's a reboot now maybe they can correct the two mistakes that Raimi made in an otherwise great series of films, Gwen Stacy should be first and the villains should be locked up, not killed. "From the writer of Zodiac" is good news though.
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Don't know if anyone else suggested it yet, but he was the first name to cross my mind. He already played a superhero once...kinda.
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...read the comic "Bad Ass" and decided to make an edgier, darker Spiderman based on that? Not a bad idea if it were ten years from now... but way too soon, to many people are still attached to the actors/characters... they've only been around for the past decade
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But damn, I miss him already. Republican friends unite! Actually, you know what, let's just remember the friggin' awesomeness that is Dennis Hopper.
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If Sony gave up the franchise back to Marvel and Marvel was able to draw Spidey into their new movie continuity.
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Anyone know what Nicholas Hammond is up to these days?
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Start the fuck over!
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Not sure he would go for it though.
Which makes me worry about replacement directros i.e one of the Hack club (McG, Ratner or Hood) -
a couple of good movies, bit harsh on him
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Fuck, we can just watch the other origin story. I'm OK with a reboot, just assume we know the origin already (because, you know, everyone fucking does.)
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...Kirby will once-again own it, and THAT'S the best aspect of that story.
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So many of you begged and pleaded for Venom to be included in Spider-Man 3. Well, it happened and it was an ugly mess. Terrible character shoehorned into what could have been a great film and the third part of a great trilogy. Unfortunately, the producers listened to a bunch of loudmouth, braindead fanboys and forced Raimi to include Venom. Take a bow, fools.
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May have already been said (this is a long TB) but definetely give a credits type origin sequence, don't need to spend anymore than 5 minutes on it.
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All those movies were fricking bottom line. They all sounded, felt, and looked like they're only about starting the franchise and putting those characters in the silver screen. Incredibly work-for-hire. Didn't really seem like much of a Sam Raimi flick in retrospect, in the same way 'Drag Me To Hell' was a Sam Raimi flick, so much as Sam Raimi doing a tentpole product for a company - packaging it in a way that would look like a 'legitimate' superhero flick. Ergo : abiding by previous bussiness practices ( garishness of Tim Burton's 'Batman', and scenes & set-ups practically lifted from the original Superman flick ). In fact, the films in general were parts Superman : The Movie, part CGI, part money. Part 2 onwards and it becomes part teen drama shit ( Degrassi and frickin Smallville ), in all ways transparent - and outright farcical as with the third movie. Not much authorial voice in the whole thing : there are bits and pieces of Sam Raimi-isms, but that's it.
Spiderman 1 was the only one I can tolerate now, because it most closely resembled a Sam Raimi flick : that was really the director of 'Darkman', 'Evil Dead', and 'Army of Darkness' taking a stab at a mainstream property, but in the end wasn't in a way that made the material completely his. That one was really more about introducing the material to the larger public than anything. Fuck this. -
I hated the third film, but I still can't believe this. Gyllenhall anyone? We're not going to have his origin rammed down our throats again are we?
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it's cause you didn't watch it close enough.
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Now they can get an actor who is actually like Peter Parker. Spiderman is supposed to be a quickwitted comedian who never fails to make you laugh while kicking serious ass. Toby has about as much charisma as a wet dog turd and about as far from the character as you can get. Maybe now they can get a Mary Jane who is actually attractive and doesn't look like a fucking mongoloid with a jacked up grill. The only interesting parts of what Raimi gave us were the villians with the exception of Venom. I'm looking forward to a reboot. I can't wait!
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how fucking ironic.
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I expect to be impressed. Would be doubly excited if they would pony up the dough to get James Cameron in on it. Cameron + Spiderman + 3D = biggest movie ever made.
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It was fucking horrible on almost every level with the exception of the FX but then when you spend 300 million fucking dollars on a movie you WILL get some quality pixels. Everything else was so terrible that it completely killed my interest in seeing any more of these under Raimi’s Direction and I’m one of the people who thinks SM2 is a masterpiece. IMHO there was just no way to recover from how awful SM3 was and I think it’s a smart move to broom Raimi and Co. NOW. We should have been getting SM4 this year but, instead, Raimi decided to make a mediocre Horror film (fuck you who say Drag Me To Hell was good because it was fucking shit!). At this rate we’d be lucky to get SM4 by 2012, almost five years after the last sequel. FUCK THAT.
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Mary Elizabeth Winstead as MJ.
Danielle Panabaker as Gwen Stacy.
Steven Strait as Harry Osborn. Kurt Russell as Uncle Ben.
Cloris Leachman as Aunt May.
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Talk about a mismatch
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I know ALL forms of cinema are prone to remakes/reboots,but the comic book market is already eating itself. Reboots of Hulk,Spidey,Fantastic Four,Daredevil,and the X-Men(dont kid yourselves...thats all XMEN First Class is)...and dont even get me started on DC...they'll be re-booting Supes and Bats for the next decade and we will NEVER see a JLA film(not in this decade at least). As a huge comic-book fan I can honestly say I'm already sick to death of the origin stories...and I have NO desire to see them told over and over again. Imagine how the general,non-nerd audiences feel? If Disney were smart,they'd buy back their Marvel IP's from the studio dipshits at Sony and Fox and get all the Marvel Universe under one roof...even better if they do it in time to have Spiderman and Wolverine pop up in the upcoming AVENGERS flicks...
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and too soft on Raimi, he was comprimised, but the guy was paid a lot of money, he needs to and should be able to deal with it.
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Rhymes with clitoris.
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I can't find a source either.
Last i read he was dying though.
His cancer had spread to the skeleton. :(
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Yeah, we need a SM movie that's 3 hours long, half a billion dollars and full of shit. Keep Cameron far, far away from Spider-Man.
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They connect it to the rest of the Marvel universe they've been building on the silver screen. How awesome would it be to see Nick Fury show up to recruit the young Peter Parker once the bad guys have been beat?
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Preferably right in the face.
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Lynda Carter, Kevin Heffernan, Dave Foley, Kevin McDonald, Kelly Preston and that creepy weird guy who was ME Winstead's dad. I don't who they'd all play, you fucking figure that out, asshole.
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Just keep JK Simmons on as JJ Jameson, that's all I ask. Honestly, you Americans and your franchises...
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YEYAYEH.
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Was almost a horrible reality. Remember? With the Men in black director as the well...the director.
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Maguire looked like he was 5 seconds away from cutting his wrist. Why not cast someone who smiles and has a sense of humor, you know like Spider-Man does.
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Angarano would be good if it few a Nickelodeon channel made for tv or direct to video movie, a non Nickelodeon feature film? Not so much... I'm still cracking up over Kurt Russell and Cloris Leachman as Uncle Ben and Aunt May. That's the funniest sh*t I've heard all day lol!!!
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Needs their fucking examined pronto. I'm torn about the news, but I'd rather watch a a 1980s tv film at the moment. Fuck this noise and hollywood.
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It's just crazy enough to work. I smell Oscars in both the supporting categories for them.
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Jan 11, 2010 9:24:39 PM CST
they should just adapt Julie Taymor's Spidey musical for the scr
by tlyel37
It'd probably be better than Spider-man 3.
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Not sure why I wrote few above...
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of fanboys shouting at the top of their lungs for Venom's inclusion. So the producers pretty much ordered Raimi to include Venom for the fans. Raimi's original vision was for Sandman and Vulture to be the villains.
Forcing Venom into the story made the film far less organic for Raimi and brought about all of the black suit emo crap.
So by doing what the fanboys wanted, Raimi was not able to tell the story he wanted to tell, and thus delivered an awful, cluttered, nonsensical Spider-Man film. -
So many of you begged for Venom. Now taste the bitter, ultimate result of your whining and pleading.
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I would TOTALLY watch that movie. Throw some red hair on Emmy Rossum, and there's Mary Jane. Then cast Jamie Campbell Bower as the villain. I think it's about time we got a musical comic book movie.
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haha.
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that scene between him and Ben in the car, where he's Spider-Man...no more..was a tearjerker and I don't care who knows. BUT, McGuire always seemed to disdain the role, it really came through from Spidey 2 on, with 3 being his F You coup de grace, his and Raimi's mutual wink and nod to sucking, and personally I'm glad to see them both go after "emo Spidey". A new regime could suck, but you never know until you try.
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... if it wasn't popular, and none of you saw it.
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Seems like a perfect Peter Parker to me
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Spider-man 3 was the worst superhero movie since Elektra! retarded dance tunes? GMAFB. Mary Jane was crappy and un-hot as can be. Time for the "spider-man begins" treatment.
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...was the nasty green runnies that I got the last time I ate corner-store Chinese food. "Emo" Peter Parker was the stupidest thing I've ever seen in a superhero movie.
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Waaaay too soon to reboot this franchise!! You gotta let the fan interest come back first. #3 is still fresh in their minds along with the fuckin hidious dance scene!!
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Too soon. It's like when these rock groups dissolve because no one gives a crap and they can't fill a piss cup with fans and then two years later they get back together and expect people to get excited.They're back! Who gives a fuck?
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Get that he couldn't make his perfect movie, but professionals need to deal with things not always going to plan. And maybe this is an excuse to not be able to make something of the equivalant of SM2, but not the garbage we ended up with
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I hereby nominate KATHRYN BIGELOW as the director of THE AVENGERS.
She would bring the professionalism of James Cameron to the table but i reckon she could handle co-operating with the producers and various companies better than Jimbo himself. No offence to Jim's Ego.
She can handle War, Action, Sci-fi and the Supernatural.
Executive produced by:
Favreau-IRON MAN
Branagh-THOR
Johnston-CAPTAIN AMERICA
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"...Kirby will once-again own it, and THAT'S the best aspect of that story."
Kirby had nothing to do with the creation of Spider-Man. That's just over-reaching by Kirby's grubby heirs and their lawyers. Even if they steal the rest of the characters they're suing over, they won't get Spider-Man. -
I still think the only way to do X-Men up right is AT LEAST a soft reboot, with JAMES CAMERON, IN 3-D.
It would be a smash finally worthy of the property. And then there's poor FF and Daredevil to consider, as well. -
...is that Studios get so reboot happy that they don't give audiences the opportunity either to recharge on a particular character, or themselves the chance to settle on a stylistic or narrative approach. The practice of rebooting becomes an excuse for indecisive approaches to the material, which hardly will endear an audience to it.
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Whoa, I am kinda shocked. I don't think they should do a "reboot", if that is the new term in Hollweird these days. They shold just continue on with a new cast, new stories, new villians. Spiderman 1 wasn't that long ago, and to go back to the beginning could be a disaster. Continue on, don't reference the past Spiderman films, but don't contradict them and ignore them, there was too much style and substance in them to disrespect a character icon like Spiderman. Maybe go with Carnage, and the real Venom, not some skinny kid from that 70's show. They never officially called him Venom, even though Eddie Brock was used. I KNOW that going back to high school with some hot young MTV kid as Peter Parker will go bad, and the franchise will be dead.
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I hated the Spiderman trilogy, and I hate Sam Raimi even more. Hopefully they'll get a competent director, and a believable Peter Parker.
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spider-man is and has always been my favorite comic book character. i'm hoping they'll stick to the comics a little more with a reboot. mj does not come before gwen stacy. and spidey is smart and a smart ass. that's what i want to see.
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It's never to late to admit your mistakes. Letting Jim go was one of them.
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Jan 11, 2010 9:48:21 PM CST
It was consensus at its release that spiderman 2 was the greates
by chaseguy17
So because the Dark Knight came out and topped it, doesn't really give anybody justification to bash raimi. I guarantee that 90% of the peopl who are saying they "Hate Sam Raimi" were jizzing in their pants when Spiderman 2 came out.
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Topher's a damn good actor and has the hesitant, good-hearted mensch schtick down. He might make a great Spidey. But of course that doesn't say Sony could make a good Spidey film with him. We'll see...
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on Raimi. How can you expect Raimi to condense the Venom saga into one film, tell Sandman's story, and wrap up the Goblin arch? Not even Spielberg could have handled that overload of storylines.
Spider-Man 3 was a mess and obviously the result of too much being forced upon Raimi. If the producers were smart, they would have teased Venom in the third film and unleashed him in a fourth film; not cram his arch between multiple storylines.
But no, the fans had to have their Venom and they got served the crap sandwich they deserved. Unfortunately, Spider-Man suffered irreparable damage as a result. -
NBC fucking Conan has it by a long shot. Cameron script was highly flawed plus he stood them up, but since he is making billions, all of the sudden he is a genius. The real problem is who is going to replace Maguire, say what you want about Spidey 3, but he is almost iconic in that role.
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There's no chance they could cry/whine/demand loud enough to get Sony to do ANYTHING they didn't want to do. Sony smelled spin-off and let me tell you, Raimi COULD have delivered a great Spidey 3 no matter who Sony wanted in there. The things that sucked about Spidey 3 were interpretive, you take a lemon and make lemonade, not sepositories. Venom didn't need to suck, Spidey 3 didn't need to suck, Raimi and McGuire made SURE they sucked because they knew it would make bank no matter what and if Sony wanted more they'd have to pay BIG. They thought life would end without them, which brings us where we are now, and their lesson learned.
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Think won't be a big issue in replacing him
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WHAT AN IDEA HARRY!!!! BEST ONE YET!!!
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I disagree, Kirby designed Spidey's iconic outfit for FACT. Ditko probably deserves more credit ultimately for developing the character, but who would you rather see get paydays for these characters, Marvel or Kirby? Kirby on principle alone.
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Raimi himself said that Avi Arad and another producer told him to Venom in for the sake of fan service. He was told that he had already put in his favorite silver age villains, so it was time to put Venom in for the fans.
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Maybe the4y can get it right this time. Flash Thompson, Liz, Spidey doesn't meet Mary Jane until the last 5 seconds of the movie...fantastic. Maybe this time they can do the Gwen Stacey arc without fucking it up completely in the next sequel after the reboot...
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Jan 11, 2010 10:03:55 PM CST
Kal: I hate Venom with a rare passion reserved for boy bands, bu
by malificus
..it STILL didn't have to suck! Raimi could have taken it as a challenge and took that sucky-assed character and did something cool because his fucking name and rep was on it, but he didn't, he delivered turd, that's HIS fault, not the fanboys.
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Jan 11, 2010 10:05:09 PM CST
If They're That Eager To Release A Spiderman Film In The Next Tw
by acquanetta
...I guess we shouldn't expect Cameron. Not to mention, if they thought Raimi wanted too much control...
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What's really a shame is that whatever the studio does, the moviegoing public will lap up whatever shit they spew out, and they'll continue to treat audiences like idiots with moves like this. Even if Raimi can't or doesn't want to make another, I wish a good director would step up and make 4 with the same cast... either that or don't make any more yet, get Marvel to somehow buy the rights back early, keep Tobey (who I thought was awesome in the role), and get him in a couple of major cameos in Iron Man 3 and Thor, then make 4. Or shit, I dunno, how about just letting Raimi and the cast make the film they want? The studio owes Raimi that at least - let him try and if it doesn't work... well I doubt you're going to lose money in any scenario with this franchise. Look how much the tiny tiny crosover between The Incredible Hulk and Iron Man did for Marvel's Avengers plans. They've hardly done anything and look at the hype they've generated... audiences appreciate consistency, and planning. Rebooting Spider-Man right now says "we're in it for the money, and you dumbasses are going to take whatever shit we throw at you, and you'll not only thank us for it you'll pay us to do it again". Sorry, I'm waffling.
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Treat it like Harry Potter...get dark later. Capture the same wonder the first comics had before it got all 'edgy'.
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Nothing against Kirsten Dunst, she's a fine actress, but Mary Jane she was not. Maybe we'll get a REAL redhead this time.
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with a charlie kaufman script.
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Lot's of action, deplorable writing and plot, big bucks, much fanboy dispair.
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....and Raimi's seeming insistance on having the VULTURE as his next focus, I'm glad to see the back of Raimi's involvement in this franchise.Sure the first 2 were pretty good, but a big-budget version of this beloved character was always going to be a bullet-proof hit using today's effects.I always thought that McGuire wasn't a very good fit, and that Raimi hadn't a clue a far as giving Spidey the amount of witty wise-cracks that the character was famous for. The various cartoon incarnations did it far better, and McGuire's casting was too bland in general.The only way I can re-watch Spidey 3 now is thanks to the fanedit called 'Spiderman 3: The Darkness Within', which cut out all the more ridiculous McGuire/Parker moments thankfully....I just hope that whoever gets the gig as Director now, gives us a better-cast Spidey/Parker, and a new non-Vulture villain with some potential onscreen WOW!-factor. I reckon the Lizard or Mysterio could make for a visual treat next.
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been better. Until BSB rattled your cage you had nothing to say. oh you are such a dumbass cunt. Look at you back pedal. What, you can't even remember your posts from today. HA, HA, HA, HA hahahaaaaaaa. Dude, just fucking bury your head in the sand and wait for your fucking prom. Oh, this shit is just too funny. LOL, hah ha hahahahahahaaaaaa. .... What a fuckin' tool.
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instead of an origins story, let's just have a "hilarious" leno monologue in 3D! they could reshoot the first 30 minutes everyday to keep the story topical.
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Not even a big fan of the web-head. I'm more of an un-fan of the movies than I am a fan of the character. This is best news I've heard this year... No more Toby "doesn't know how to cry on camera" McGuire or "I'm still riding my Interview with a Vampire success to major movie roles" Dunst. Maybe this new one won't obviously look like a movie with sets and wires (I mean Spidey 1 looked like a small step up from Batman & Robin in terms of production value). Just let him tell jokes again, stop the akward teen schtik. I mean after three years of being spiderman you'd think he'd grow a sack as Peter Parker... and dancing in the streets and wearing black is not growing a sack. ugghhh i need a good Marvel movie in me bad... Iron Man is not enough...
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I always liked Peter Parker better as a struggling teen. The first movie did a good job with that for the first half or so, but they could've done more with it over the series (like having Gwen Stacey be PP's first love and setting up her death in #2). Raimi and the clusterfuck that was Spiderman 3 left me wanting a fresh start. This is a bit soon for a reboot to such a popular franchise, though. I really think a lot of people will be confused that someone just hit the "reset" button with MJ, GG, and Peter's whole life. It's not like the Batman films where the series was dead for 8 years before Batman Begins and there was never much continuity to begin with. Even the Incredible Hulk didn't go back and directly contradict everything in Ang Lee's awful Hulk movie.
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If you remember, Raimi wanted to film Spiderman 3 and 4 back to back, and incorporate the Venom arc into 2 films, which was how they should have done it, building up the characters and stories. Instead the studio forced him into shoving everything into Spiderman 3 like an overstuffed taco. Raimi can make great films, and I know he loves the golden age of comic villians more than the current crop, but they should trust the filmmaker. Those suits at Sony couldn't make a watchable film if a gun was pointed to their heads.
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... wait for gang, wait forrrr ittttttt!!! Here come the "scoops". LOL, LMAO, hahahahahahaahahahhaaaaaaa. Oh sweet fucking Mary.
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Jan 11, 2010 10:15:43 PM CST
malificus, Raimi obviously had a story to tell, a story...
by kal reeve
that would have either continued or completed archs set up in the first two films. The imposition of Venom derailed Raimi's vision. Yes, he could have made a better film, but I see more of the blame falling on the producers and the fanboys who foam at the mouth when they don't get exactly what they want.
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And I've already stated I think Anton Yelchin should be Spiderman. But who would play Gwen Stacy? Emma Watson? Wrong accent. Hayden Panettiere? Not good enough acting chops. Damn, I'm stumped...
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Too early to re-boot.
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...While I have to say, as a lot of you know, that I disliked all 3 Spiderman films (and you must understand, I love Spidey, which is WHY I disliked 'em)... I may not be "happy" that Raimi isn't involved, but I am glad. Now, I'm not spewing hate like a lot tb'ers, I just didn't like what they did with Spidey, and I still hate 2-3 with a passion. Now, will they make ammends and do Spidey right, well, probably not, but at least there is hope, because I believe with the way they were going, 4 would have been WORSE than 3. I hope, as well as a lot of others on here, that they DO NOT do a "reboot" on Spidey. Just continue on, albeit, with new players and new cast. Let's see where that takes us. As for the Vulture storyline (minus female vulture shit of course) I still think it could work well, just take it serious, and not campy. As for other arcs, hey, theres a ton of fantastic stories to take from, Kraven and Lizard obviously are the tops...... best case scenario in this whole deal, would be Sony losing the rights and 5 years or so to go by without anything at all. Unfortunately, you bet your ass they will rush something, and Spidey, as well as us fans, will suffer.
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an attractive red-head to play the supermodel MaryJane rather than old snaggletooth.
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Okay so ya. The third one sucked bad. Power Rangers in the first one sucked as well. That said, I submit that Raimi's visions of this character in the first and especially the second, are nothing short of pure magic.
I am going to guarentee that whatever they do with Spider-Man in the next decade will not even be *HALF* as alive as Spidey was in Raimi's VISIONS.
There was this artistic quality that will be all but lost in the next Spidey films. I hate Sony for this. Spider-man 1 & 2 were made by sort of a mad genius. This is the guy that breathed life into the Evil dead trilogy, I mean c'mon, awesome creator of things. Nobody is ever going to feel like Spidey is everything they want him to be when you have another mind directing the character other than your own. However, Raimi was probably the closest we were ever gonna get to this universal Spider-man character that satisfies, for the most part, all expectations. What careful, useful, creative director would touch that character now for the 2012 film? Nobody that matters is my prediction, and I expect to see some brand new hack brought on that'll do whatever the studio wishes. This sucks.
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That's right.
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Jan 11, 2010 10:30:25 PM CST
exects saw the line "Anne Hathaway plays the Vulturess"
by takingscorpioscalls
and realized that was some particularly potent stuff they were smoking.
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he's about to cut his wrists and second this time.
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...comment, too sweet, too funny. and that truly sums up about how smart these "studios" are. I actually would not be suprised at all, that could actually happen, even as stupid, lame and ignorant as it would seem... thanks for the laugh, almost as good as when I saw this story break, just waiting for the NEW flood of "Scoops" from duesche-L, ummm JettL...
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Makes me wonder tho, if they imposed Venom on Raimi and he originally planned on 3&4 running together, why didn't he back off on one character, give them their Venom but in a more fleshed out manner and in a way that maybe he could have gotten excited about, then went hog wild on 4? Three film arcs like that KILL creativity in my view, by the time the third one rolls around the principles have been living the damn series for like 5 or 6 years already, it's simply too damn much. I still maintain that Raimi blew it with Spidey 3 and it never pays to think that maybe for some unknown reason he'd get it together for 4 and a 5. The Vulture is NOT a good choice, though someone that said Larry David might actually be on to something. Electro-yes. Mysterio-yes. Kraven-yes.
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She would make a amazing MJ. She has the perfect hair and face structure. LISTEN UP SONY
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THAT I HAVE.
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summary - peter parker is a dorky teen who gets spider powers which at first are weird then really cool he climbs on walls shoots webs and is super strong and fast then theres a villan who he beats at the last second! it sucks. it would make me happy if no one was commenting on this, because no one cared, because spider man can only do two things...be a fucking dork and bounce around walls.
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What is it like three times in a few sentences. Get a thesaurus, Quint.
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Seriously, he could work?
Surely, better than "Vulturette."
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Like many others, I was never really on board with mopey Tobey Maguire as Spider-Man, but I tolerated him somewhat (I think Jake Gyllenhaal would have been better all along). As for Raimi, he earned enough of my goodwill with Spideys 1 and 2 that I was willing to see if he could deliver a better film after the mess that was Spidey 3. It seemed he was headed in the right direction by trying to get Malkovich as the Vulture. But clearly the studio had no interest in allowing Raimi this chance. So now they'll reboot the thing and get teenybopper TV actors. Maybe they'll find a decent director, but I'm not sure it matters. Because by going back to high school, the studio is taking a major step backwards. It would have been so much more interesting to see Peter and MJ as young adults, married and living together, and to explore the complexities of how Peter balances his married life with the life of Spider-Man. Other than The Incredibles, no one has ever portrayed the idea of a married superhero in a comic-book film. There is so much they could have done with that. Screw this franchise.
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I agree, Kraven would have been an excellent villain for the third. I would like to have seen Kraven played by Clive Owen and Vulture played by Ben Kingsley.
Or heck, they should have just wrapped up the Goblin arch. Bring back Norman who could have come back from the dead because of the Goblin formula, and have both Goblins terrorizing Peter. In the end Harry turns on Norman and helps Peter defeat him, but dies as a result.
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I agree, Kraven would have been an excellent villain for the third. I would like to have seen Kraven played by Clive Owen and Vulture played by Ben Kingsley.
Or heck, they should have just wrapped up the Goblin arch. Bring back Norman who could have come back from the dead because of the Goblin formula, and have both Goblins terrorizing Peter. In the end Harry turns on Norman and helps Peter defeat him, but dies as a result.
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The dude was incredibly badass! That being said, he'd need to be someones accomplice as he didn't really have the brains to work for himself...
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two films. In the first film you establish Eddie Brock and his growing hatred for Peter Parker. By the end of the film he is enveloped and overtaken by the symbiote. In the second film, unleash him and let him wreak havoc. Trying to cram all that in one film is way, way too much to ask of Raimi, especially with the Goblin arch wrapping up.
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Bale was cast as Batman.
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and film 5-7 Spidey movies back-to-back. That way we can get a relatively solid continuity and enough build up to do some villains PROPERLY!
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Cast him over High School Musical kids and lets get this show on the road.
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but hooray for us! Casting: Nick Cage for Spidey, since he's so in right now, and totally nailed Johnny Blaze. His uncle Francis Ford Coppola could direct. Obviously, Marlon Brando's corpse for Kingpin. Jimmy Caan for Uncle Ben, Al Pacino as Norman Osborne. Sophia Coppola for The Vultress. JettL to write, with Ortzman and Kurtz to touch afterward, since Jett is so busy with his fancy Hollywood writing and AICN trolling.
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But let's face it, take Venom out of the equation and the film was still a mess! I mean, did we really need Dunst singing, peter dancing/ playing the piano, emo spidey, or ladies man spidey (when he walked down the street pointing his fingers at everyone). I could go on... Part of me thinks it was Raimi's big F*ck U to the studios for forcing him into making a film he had no desire to make. Or he lost his mojo, take your pick...
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Jan 11, 2010 11:13:12 PM CST
So Green Goblin won't be dead, Gwen Stacy might be Peter's first
by jsarnold513
Why does everyone assume these things will suck? As long as they don't go "Twilight" on it, this has potential. The thing is that Spidey's origin is such an important part of the high school aspects of the character. It's a perfect metaphor for adolescence. If you do a HS Spidey story that doesn't include the origin, which was done pretty well in the first Raimi film, you're losing a lot of what made young PP interesting.
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The visuals ;)
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Jan 11, 2010 11:14:38 PM CST
FUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by megatom5
THANK GOD THIS IS THE BEST NEWS I HAVE HEARD IN A VERY LONG TIME. SPIDER-MAN 1 was the only decent one in the series.
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Film 4-6 together and have the last be about Sinister Six, with a build up to this and most of the six being introduced in 4 and 5
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They shold just lay this franchise to rest for a few years. Maybe let Pixar make an animated film, maybe let Tobey cameo in the Avengers film and let the anticipation build up for a new Spiderman. It took quite awhile for for people to like Batman Begins after Batman and Robin. Even then alot of people discovered how good it was on DVD than in the theaters. Let Raimi have his way and take his time with a new Spidey film, or let it go. They are going to bury this with Zac Effron or some CW lameo kid ad Peter and Mary Jane.
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and think Kal Reeve you still don't get this.
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Boy, you guys are such iconoclasts. Bold mavericks of taste in cinema. Stay gold.
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Easily the biggest news to hit in recent weeks was the word that Sony has scrapped production on Spider-Man 4 and will reboot the character with a new film (and, presumably, an ensuing series) featuring a new cast and creative team. A general 2012 date has been mentioned, but no specific date has yet been set; expect the studio to stake a claim in May, and for any other films in that region to shift accordingly. Will Sony battle Marvel, which has The Avengers penned in for early May? You bet.
With such big news hitting early in the week, outlets are already crawling around looking for tidbits of info, and there are a few useful things to know about Spider-Man v2.0 that we didn’t cover in our first report.
First up, while I thought the facts were implicit in Sony’s press release, let’s be explicit: the new script by James Vanderbilt has already been written.
Variety notes that Sony “has long had” Vanderbilt’s script ready as a contingency plan. In other words, when he was hired to write Spider-Man 5 and 6, which were mentioned as possible reboot fodder, what he was really doing was writing this fresh start on the character. Given that Sony doesn’t want to do anything that will potentially see Spider-Man go back to Marvel, the studio was smart. (See a note about being ’smart’ at the end of this piece.)
According to EW, the idea was to have the reboot ready to go as soon as Spidey 4 was done. But when discussions about that film went nowhere, Vanderbilt’s new take was given priority. Now they’re ready to go with a script.
We don’t know much about what that script entails, other than it will feature a younger teenage Peter Parker. EW calls the script “gritty, contemporary” and references Batman Begins, seemingly not only in the sense that Christopher Nolan reinvented Batman on film, but in the sense of tone. Which would be a shame. Let’s have anything but a gritty Spider-Man, please. Anyone with a shred of understanding of the character knows that, while the stories can be heavy, ‘gritty’ isn’t what makes Spider-Man universally appealing.
There’s speculation already (as by Devin at CHUD) that this is a grab for some of the Twilight tween energy and fanbase. But I just see this as a cheaper, easier move. Sam Raimi directed three films, so is it easier to bring a new director into his world, or create a new world altogether? The latter, as Anne Thompson suggests, and I think she’s right. This will definitely be cheaper, as Sony has just shed a couple of names with big dollar signs attached. Spider-Man 3 cost almost $300m, and the fourth film could easily have gone that high. Now can the studio make this reboot for $200m or less? One would hope so.
Who directs this leaner, cheaper beast? More important, after Raimi, a director with both a real soul and a deep, practical background in making comic book-style movies, who has the right touch? EW mentions a couple of names, saying that Marc Webb, director of (500) Days of Summer, has cropped up, but doesn’t say in what context. The mag also mentions Gary Ross, hired to write one of the last Spider-Man 4 drafts, and Michael Bay, who has expressed interest in the character. Those latter two seem unreasonable; I’d consider any of the three a surprise hire. (And, to echo Anne Thompson again, let’s hope it’s not McG.)
So: about being smart. From a couple of business perspectives, this is arguably a smart move. The film will be cheaper, and Sony can exert more control. Key talent will know that major names like Raimi and Tobey Maguire were let go, fostering the understanding that Sony’s take on the character is more valuable than anything else. That’s the bottom line. For Sony, that gets the movie made the way the studio wants.
But what made the first two films so much fun? What created the franchise momentum that allowed the relatively lousy third film to earn hundreds of millions? Not Sony’s keen business sense (OK, marketing the hell out of the series didn’t hurt) but Sam Raimi’s interest in and passion for the character. He knew what he wanted, and had good ideas about how to get it. He almost always kept the tone right. Raimi created scenes that will stand as indelible examples of the character. The subway sequence in Spider-Man 2 is a stone-cold classic. Spider-Man can thrive without Raimi and/or Maguire, but not if the approach is a calculating one. The character has always been about heart, and impetuous, impulsive energy. Those are the things that Sony is poised to kill by making this into pure business.
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We probably won't be seeing J.K. Simmons chew up the screen as Jameson again.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mkeveq0t1R4
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...With all the talk of Indy 5 pissing people off, and the fact that Harrison probably just can't take the physical toll. Steven has decided to visit one of his older franchises. With the unbelievable success of "Avatar" (especially the creatures), Speilberg has decided that it is time for "Jurrasic Park 4" to begin taking shape. Rumors are that Joe Johnston will direct and of course they will be going the 3D route with this one. Going to try for a Crristmas '12 debut, since the schedule shows that to be very light at this time. Also, they will film entirely in digital with all post work done at ILM. Watch for more news coming out in the next week to 10 days.
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I'm not surpised by this in the fucking least. No one expected Sony to actually have a quality story outline did they? Even if they did, they wouldn't recognize it as such, as these studio submentals aren't even remotely familiar with the titular character or his surrounding cast.
The cancellation of Raimi's Spider-Man is in reality just a shitshow postponed. Rebooting this franchise won't make a whit of difference. It is flat-out impossible for this studio to produce a quality Spider-Man film. They don't have the intelligence, the vision, the knowledge or the talent.
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Tired of waiting years and years between Batman movies because the studio ties itself to one director. Look at James Bond. He comes out every three years regular as a clock because they don't let one director tie them down.
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The Spectacular Spiderman series, which I thought I'd hate, is actually pretty good. They could build a love triangle with MJ and Gwen. One poster said Gwen should die in the 2nd part of what's presumably a trilogy. Good idea. Audience gets to know her for two movies, giving the death weight, something lacking in the Raimi trilogy. I mean, who the fuck cares about Sandman's sick daughter?
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Would have been great imo
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Jan 11, 2010 11:37:46 PM CST
I'd rather have an awesome Batman movie every couple of years...
by gozu
Than a bunch of mediocre to shitty James Bond movies in between installments directed by Martin Campbell.
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...welcome to the "One More Day" for the Spider-Man movies. Only without even the ATTEMPT at handwaving or half-assed explanations...
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The plot from the comic is pretty straightforward. From his Viki:
Mac Gargan was a private investigator initially hired by J. Jonah Jameson to find out how Peter Parker is able to obtain incredible pictures of Spider-Man [2]. Gargan's efforts set off Peter's spider-sense and the teen was able to easily evade the detective. Jameson then decided to hire Gargan as the subject of a barely tested process that would endow him with the useful characteristics of a particular animal with the help of Dr. Farley Stillwell. In this case, a scorpion was the base for the purposes of creating a powerful agent capable of defeating Spider-Man. The Scorpion proved to be more than a match for the wall-crawler; defeating him twice, but the mutagenic treatment seriously affected Gargan's mind, driving him insane. He promptly turned on his benefactor but Spider-Man intervened, and managed to finally defeat the Scorpion in their third battle. Jameson was struck with the irony that he was saved by the man he tried to destroy from the thing he created to destroy him.[3] The Scorpion would return again to attack Jameson but was once again defeated by Spider-Man.[4] Since then, the Scorpion became a professional criminal and has repeatedly attempted to indulge in his deadly vendetta against Spider-Man and Jameson, only to be defeated each time.
In other words his accomplice would be Jameson. The ONE character that has gotten worldwide praise from everyone.
And for anyone wondering what this dude looks like:
http://tinyurl.com/y8o6kqh
Eh, i did a stunt-casting for him in the other spidey tb. And my choice was Vin Diesel. Just do some Benjamin Button style-cgi for his before scenes
He would draw the crowds. And i think he could nail this. This and the Martian Manhunter.
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1. They keep suggesting actresses to play Mary Jane.2. They keep suggesting Joseph Gordon Levitt to play Spiderman.3. They cling to Raimi, Maguire, and Dunst as if they are the end all be all.
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Tobey MacGuire and Kirsten Dunst are the king and queen of irritating. And I couldn't care less about a re-boot either. A guy getting bit by a radioactive spider and fighting crime by shooting webs out of his wrists is about the most retarded concept ever—even for a comic book.
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and the new scrip is "gritty and contemporary" according to EW -- that is if he's to believed. Guy could be another Jett for all we know.
But yeah, a GRITTY Spider-Man. That's really capturing the essence of the charcter right there. See? These motherfuckers have no idea what they're doing.
The worst thing is thet there are some truly passionate Spidey fans out there. People that really, really love that character. My best friend from childhood was one of those cats. He couldn't get enough Spider-Man. He was obsessed. There was no other super hero in his eyes. It's folks like these that are probably getting their hopes up. And they're going to get bent over and fucked in the ass, just like the first 3 times. Poor bastards. They deserve better. -
I'm sure one of the Jonas Brothers will play Parker now. Good for you, Raimi!
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...It sucked all the cash from the whiny bitches wallets...
Har, har, har!
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Why translate the comic to live action again? How about a straight adaptation, all CGI, and possibly have it take place in the 1960's? I can't stand the newer cartoons that make the characters all teenagers living in the present. Case in point: the latest Spider-man and Iron Man cartoons. They SUCK!
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They've got the comic book cred and both are known for being willing to fight for their vision.
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I would like for Marvel\Disney to do the reboot. Pixar does the CGI! Finally, a non-cartoony style, realistic-looking Pixar movie!
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get out the shovels. saw DAYBREAKERS today. more like that, less superhero dreck. please
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Peter Parker: Genetically designed child of Zac Effron and Robert Pattinson >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Gwen Stacy: Dakota Fanning. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mary Jane Watson: Harry Knowles
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That would be an excellent choice for MJ.
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Get rid of that meddling, greasy, rat-faced hack Avi Arad. This guy is poison and the real reason why Spidey 3 sucked. I'm sure he was behind the hi-tech Goblin suit as well. Everything this creep touches turns to shit (Fantastic 4...) Give this guy the job he was born to have: being a villain in a lame Die Hard sequel... or a janitor. Kudos to Sam and Tobey for bailing because they couldn't get a half-way decent scrip. It's called integrity when you walk away from millions because you're being asked to compromise your vision. I wish them the best in the next phase of their careers. I seriously hope Sony reconsiders sticking Peter Parker back in H.S. That's a big mistake. Take a page out of The Incredible Hulk's handbook and just move forward with the evolution of the characters (no baby though!) Don't be shocked fanboys when you see Spidey fighting Carnage in the new and "improved" Spider-Man reboot. I'd rather watch Batman and Robin than a Spidey flick with a souless, bland villain.
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Raimi is not the end all mastermind of the Spidy films. The direction he wwas going to take with Spider-Man 3 was not the studios fault. Ivan and Sam's script sucked ass and even if vulture was in it it was still terrible plot to have the Sandman as the real killer for Uncle Ben. Every opportunity Raimi sucker punched the producers as if it was their fault Spider-Man 3 was not good. This is crap, raimi 's touches for spider-man were aweful--emo parker and now MJ having a baby. Good riddins Raimi.
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We don't want to see this thing Fantastic 4'ed. Cameron could be great, though I'm not sure that Spidey needs to be in any way epic.I liked Raimi's style a lot, liked the casting of the villains, but over time all the little changes and compromises started to eat away at the success of those films. I was eager to see parts 1 & 2 at the time; now, I don't expect I'll ever watch the again, and never really wanted to see part 3. Considering that Spidey was always my fave superhero growing up, that's too bad.Can't wait for Thor, though. :)
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...would be like how the bond films kept Dench as M.
Additionally, it is kind of sad how Raimi's spiderman films ended. Not a proper ending at all. Heck, Peter and Mary Jane seemed broken up till the final scene of the film and there really was no chance for redemption both within the story...and outside (the film itself sucked). Kind of sad Raimi didn't get a chance for redemption, because we know he could have done it. -
all the quick reboot turnarounds. Let it rest for a decade at least then take another crack at it. Focus on other, original properties in the meanwhile. I mean, Avatar is an original idea and it's the 2nd highest grossing film of all time. Adaptations, Sequels, Remakes don't always make the most profits.
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Since Quantum Of Solace was a let down, why dont we reboot the Bond reboot. Only makes sense right since it wasnt as good as Casino Royale. Let the Twilight crowds give these assholes their money. Im not anymore. X-men, fantastic Four, Daredevil, Spiderman. Ive had enough.
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I said the same thing. I think the general audiences are going to start rejecting hese films. Rightfully so.
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yep. enjoy.
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Not the reboot idea. But the fact that's it's an origin story all over again. How about just setting this thing in the future with an adult Peter Parker as a more experienced Spider-Man. That was you can 'reboot' the idea of Spidey without making it seem like a reboot and worse... a rehash!!! High school??!!! Are you trying to imitate Star Trek now??? We don't need no teen angst teen drama shit!!! Didn't Superman Returns teach you anything??? Just give me some good Spidey action!!! Of course one good thing is that the reboot may even be able to tie Spidey into the marvel universe where Iron Man, the Hulk and the Avenegers exist! Reboot Fantastic 4 and Punisher and X-Men while you're at it and give us a good new Marvel universe where all these ators and plotlines intersect in interesting ways while still be good enough films on their own merits!
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Jan 12, 2010 12:30:58 AM CST
If Cameron indeed still has the fire for Spidey
by turd_has_risen_from_the_grave
then he is the only choice. Sony should offer it to him at least. Cameron definitely has a super-hero movie in him, since he had aspirations to be a comic book artist in his youth. And if not Spider-Man, he should do the Avengers. He's the only director epic enough for the job.Fuck the clowns above, who now only have recourse to lame shit; the hater-ade must choke them when it goes down the wrong way.
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Turns out Sony was oly willing to fund the film for $40-80 mil, placed it in the hands of a so-so producer and wanted to make tons of changes so as to make the movie palatable for a broader audience. Kojima and Konami said,"No dice!" and so the project is in the can. And if that was indeed the way it was going to go, then good!!!
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Hayden Christensen as Spidey
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Email me if you want a pizza roll.
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of course, the guy's a proven storyteller of the highest caliber, but damn I love the direction he's gone in with Avatar. We're seeing things that are borne purely from his imgaination; we're seeing his visions brought to the screen and it's super fucking exciting. I want to see him contuinue on with his Avatar-verse. He's in control; he can lay out these stories as he sees fit. It's such a win-win for us as movie lovers.
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Raimi ruined the franchise, time to find someone else
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I can just picture a bunch of awkwardly "pretty" tween boys and girls over-dramatically acting lives terrible troubles (love, responsibility, homework!), one of them extra special b/c of some wacky spider powers. screw this series.
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Anytime I mention anything negative about Avatar around here, I feel like I am one breath away from being castrated by the geeks. Avatar= Great visuals and nothing else. Bad dialogue, bad characters, even worse story with steadfast predictability. And yes, Spider-Man 2 is twice, dare I say three times the greatness of Avaterriblemovie. Cameron is not what he thinks he is as an artist.
I will say that Cameron is master of knowing how to make the public spend their money on his movies though. Fantastic entertainer with a great sensibility of what many folk consider a good time. Too bad he is so gosh dang generic. Titanic and now this poopoo?
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Just get a New Director To do Spider-Man 4. A Reboot...Why!
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Just get a New Director To do Spider-Man 4. A Reboot...Why!
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What a way to start off the new year! This is great news!
I remember posting on the TB way back when they were casting Spiderman that "...that kid from October Sky" would be perfect for Peter Parker and Jake Gyllenhaal still works for me if they don't go this high school route.
All these Raimi lovers need to give it a rest...I am a life long Spidey fan and Raimi is full of shit when he claims to be one. All of his Spiderman films sucked, ALL OF THEM!
As fans, we were just happy to finally see Spiderman done on the big screen with even a speck of decent SFX (remember the ropes that shot out of his "web-shooters" on the god awful CBS show).
Spiderman is as iconic as Superman and Batman and just about anyone would have made a mint with a Spiderman trilogy, so quit this crap about how we owe some kind of debt to Sam Raimi and Toby and Dunst 'cause even though I saw all 3 of their Spidey movies...I thought they were all shitty. Spiderman 3 was worse than Superman 3 and that's saying something!
That whole 'Peter dancing outside of the clothing store' and 'Dig on this... piano BS' in 3 was enough to warrant a reboot by itself, and no fan of the character would have written or filmed that shit!
I hope Sony at least offers James Cameron a chance to do the film he originally wanted to be his follow up to 'Titanic'...I think that is too much to hope for though. At this point, I'll take this happy news eagerly await a new vision of a big screen Spidey. -
Jan 12, 2010 1:44:28 AM CST
If it wasn't for Spider-man we wouldn't have The Dark Knight
by rene_belloq_12inch_figure
it gave studios faith again in Super Hero Movies. Thanks Sam Raimi, although you dropped the ball on 3, we still love you.
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Avatar borderline sucked. Lame characters. Boring predictable story. Corny dialogue. I have no idea how anyone can really like that movie. It's all about visuals. Doesn't Michael Bay get ripped apart for doing the same thing?
I'm all for recasting Spider-Man. And getting a new director. I also think setting more than one film in Parker's high school years is smart and interesting....and I hate teen superheroes. Just lots of potential.
I just don't want to spend another hour rewatching the origins of Spider-Man.
I don't mind getting new blood behind and in front of the cameras. Treat Spidey like James Bond. Let a new team handle a few movies and then pass the torch. Same thing should have been done with Indiana Jones 20 years ago. -
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Last I checked, Transformers 2 wasn't big on dialog or story and not only did 'Kingdom of the Crystal Skull' suck, it almost killed an iconic character such as Indiana Jones!
James Cameron didn't make 'Alien' worse with 'Aliens' and he sure as hell didn't make 'Terminator' worse with 'T2'. Regardless of what you think, 'Titanic' won 11 Oscars and 'Avatar' will likely get at least 8 nominations.
Now having close to 20 Academy Award nominations and over 2 billion dollars in box office for your last 2 films doesn't necessarily mean your films are good...but, it holds more weight than a handful of dumbass talkbackers...you know who you are. -
But here's a few words that will make you embarrassed to blame us in the first place:
1. Amnesia.
2. Sandman's terrible character development.
3. EmoSpidey
4. Bitch Slapping MJ
5. Dance Numbers
6. Dancing and Making Omelets
7. MJ breaking up with Peter because she doesn't think that SPIDER-MAN CAN TAKE ON HARRY. JEEZ!
8. The Super-Butler's Super-timing.
9. Sandman just floating away at the end.
All of those problems? NOT VENOM RELATED. Are they problems that you can easily just sweep under the rug and forget about? I CAN'T, and you are fooling yourself if you can. -
cuz u know somewhere in ohio there really is a pimple faced15 year old kid who cant stop sticking to ceilings and shooting webz out his butt.
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mark my words, this reboot will put Spiderman in the same universe as Hulk, Iron Man et al...
the Raimi/McGuire version was never gonna gel with that idea and probably too far along to try and salvage, really - no, a reboot was the right idea and it WILL NOT be another origin story
big companies like Sony are all about concepts like "synergy" because they believe those are the sorts of concepts that make them MO MONEY - fuck knows Sony could use a cash injection...
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The one thing I ALWAYS had a problem with "The man that you THOUGHT killed your Uncle? Yeah, it wasn't that guy at all... it was THIS guy..."
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The rest of these suggestions have been terrible. Anton Yelchin? Jesus christ people its not just about the age.
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I liked where they were going....I dont want to start all over again with a year 1, after only 8 years....ugh, stupid studio...
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Come on, you know that's where it's headed.
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Don't let Sony fuck it up.
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Have you ever actually *watched* anything this guy is in? He fucking SUCKS.
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lets keep the mask on Spidey
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as he seems to understand what makes the character tick, as evidenced by his short doc on Ditko.
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Because it needs to be MORE emo, more vampire-related, with some high school dance numbers and 80 minutes long.
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Does this mean Marvel is having more of say in what happens to their characters and if so,is this only because Disney now calls the shots.
Will we now have more cross-polination with other marvel franchises eg.iron man,hulk etc.
I like Raimi but Spiderman 3 (I won't be harsh and say it sucked)
wasn't as good as the first 2.
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Give Cameron carte blanche, no origin story; Michael Biehn as a middle-aged, down on his luck, semi-alcoholic Peter/Spiderman fighting the Lizard. CGI to fuck all our eyeballs (AGAIN!)
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That mystery went on in the comics for ages. Structure the film like a whodunit with all the suspects; it would've been great. Hobby always creeped me out.
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Jan 12, 2010 3:58:39 AM CST
What about the kid from Percy Jackson and the Lightning Thief
by templar
Logan Lerman
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You know it makes sense. He has the range needed!
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Turns out Edwards middle name is Morbias. Of course I am joking, but don't put it past some studio exec with dollar signs in his eyes.
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can we get a fix?
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Emo Spidey, slapping MJ, and Peter dancing like a lame fool around New York were all behavior brought on by the symbiot, thus making it Venom related.
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the chances of ever having a Dylan Baker Lizard or Bruce Campbell Mysterio go out the window, but I definately won't miss Toby's off-putting Peter Parker or Raimi's herky-jerky visual style.
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Spidey: Topher Grace
Gwen: Laura Prepon
MaryJane: Mila Kunis
Harry: Ashton Kutcher
Jameson: Kurtwood Smith
Aunt May: Debra Jo Rup
Uncle Ben: Don Stark
Scorpion: Danny Masterson
Kraven: Bruce Willis (he was in 2 episodes)
Goblin: Luke Wilson
Morbius: Wilmer Valderrama (for that booming vampire market lol)
Vulture: Kevin McDonald
Vulturess: Tanya Roberts
Jackal: Tommy Chong
Mysterio: Tim Reid
Man-Wolf: Josh Meyers (more twilight shit)
Betty: Allison Munn
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...suck! Seriously how many people actually loved the actors Raimi was responsible for? How many people loved emo, whiney Parker? How many people loved the third movie? How many people really loved the origin story Raimi told over the Batman Begins one? Spiderman, like Bond, will forever more be reinvented every few years. The best anyone can hope for is that one or two of their favourite character incarnations is enjoyable. I have no doubt in Hollywood alone there are dozens of directors more than capable of making Spiderman movies that are visually stunning and exciting to watch. I've no doubt there are thousands of unknown actors and actresses that could play the lead characters better than what we've seen so far. And besides, we all know how this industry works... if we do end up hating the next spiderman it doesn't matter. Eventually it'll be rebooted again. Raimi will absolutely not be missed. As hard as it is, we must've forget studios, directors, writers and actors will never care about characters or franchises like true movie fans. It's a business and Spiderman's no different.
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And what's with the geek's allergy to origin stories? It's such a random, arbitrary dislike! One of the good things abour origin stories is that they have such potential for drama.
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might be worth a screen test SONY.
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That's it.
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He was great in Robocop
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... he won't go near this fiasco with a barge pole.
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get the movie rights away from sony. do the same for the x-men films, hell all the properties that are floating around out there. that way, we can have a cohesive universe that branches between films. spidey and wolverine in an avengers movie? it can happen! Marvel, take back what you created! dont let people who dont respect the source material play with your characters any further! you know what you need to do! on a side note, james cameron should direct the spider-man reboot, just let the guys who wrote iron-man and incredible hulk pen it.
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should play Peter. Don't believe me? The kid has developed some serious acting chops, he is short and wiry like Tobey (like 2 inches shorter) but more ripped. he still looks like a high school kid and is only 20, tobey is 34. google search some images. the pics of him when he did that play where he got naked with a horse... kinda....gay. but you see what i mean, 6 months of heavy lifting and he could step right into the spidey suit. yeah he would have to drop the british accent, but if hughe laurie can do it to play gregory house, i dont see why this kid couldnt pull it off, once his harry potter duties are fulfilled. and dont say he cant play 2 iconic characters... ever hear of harrison ford?
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"Zhat is vhat I said. PECK-AR."
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should play mary jane. she is only 19 and was a very hot redhead in "perfume, the story of a murderer". most would remember her early work from peter pan when she played wendy. surly a huge step up from "snaggletooth".
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and she is a real redhead.
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Peter and MJ, PERFECT CASTING!!!
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10 years ago. if they are setting this in "high school" then Levitt is way too old. he's 30 this year. good choice, too late.
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how many films do they want to do? at what stages of the character's life do they want to film? considering the most interesting stories for spider-man are during his highschool and college years, say 4 moves worth if each movie picks up every other year or every 2 years.. you dont want a 30 year old cast in the role if they are going to be 40 by the time that 4th movie gets made.
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is that it brings back Doc Ock & Green Goblin. if you want to make a bunch of Spider-Man movies & a ton of money, you don't kill off Green Goblin & Doc Ock. you do that, you get VULTURE for SM4.
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Dump Arad, If you have ever seen this jerk talk comics, you'll know its his stink that has screwed up so many movies,better that Marvel gets spidey back and it gets the Iron Man treatment.
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its always a bad move, unless they do in fact die in the comics.
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Robert Pattinson as Peter Parker.
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Just put Peter back in school, ALREADY fighting crime; with uncle Ben ALREADY dead.
Bring on some villains that haven't appeared yet and Black Cat as love interest.
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Killing the Green Goblin wouldn't be that bad, if they hadn't completely FUCKED UP the new Goblin in SM3.
Actually, I believe Harry's arc was the best thing about the original trilogy. In fact, it was ONLY good thing about SM2, IMHO.
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Does this mean we're going back to the story where Peter invents his refillable web shooters?You know, the story where he runs out of web EVERY fight?
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This is good news aslong as they can get the casting right. Spiderman is not some boring awkward kid, he kicks ass. And MJ needs to be super hot, funny, smart and sexy. We need some god damn chemistry.
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Part of me is happy Raimi and cast are gone after the abortion that was Spiderman 3, but I do not want another damn origin story. Can't they just continue the story with a new cast? If I see Zac Efron as Spidey I will throw up in my mouth,
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He wears mascara, black clothes and goes dancing. Thats just the kind of bad-ass our beloved spider man is. He also speaks in a happy mongoloid-esque way, because thats how you convey that the character has wit and humor.
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Much as I enjoyed the second Spiderman I'm happy Sam is no longer handcuffed to that series.
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I don't get the obsession with having to constantly use known actors or stars. Good movies don't need stars... they just need good actors. Maybe I'm alone, but I love watching films with actors I've never seen before. Isn't that part of what made movies so special when we were young. We didn't see a so-and-so starred movie, we saw a movie where we believed the actors were the characters. Personally I'd be happy if the actors who played comic-book characters weren't ever seen in any other movies. Unknowns are also likely to sign up for more pictures. They're hungry for fame and fortune. The industry should be hungry for new talent. And movie audiences are hungry for consistent and believable characters. Everyone's a winner.
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I really like that idea. I really like it. I think it's a very good idea. It would be one of those inspired casting that not most would come up with, but it's dead right. I really like that idea.
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Overrated like who? Robert Zemeckis?
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no fucking Twillight shark boy asshole either.
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daniel radcliffe. if you dont look at him as harry potter you see the genius of casting him. short, ripped, good looking kid, good actor, has proven he can carry a film series. only thing similar to potter is he might wear glasses... albeit not the round specs potter sports
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to play peter parker. it wouldnt work. peter needs to be a small geeky kid that cleans up well, ok looking but unassuming. he's not the star quarterback in highschool, he's a geek. he grows into cocky and confident, so twilight boy wont work. peter is not a tall brooding "adonis" ROFL
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and he is an awful choice. He is pretty much the english Tobey Maguire why cast him?
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Parker is a New York kid. Radcliffe can't pull that off. He's a limey thru and thru.
You need a young unknown talent who physically fits the role - unlike Maguire. Take a look at Ditko's or Romita's drawings of Parker (you'd think the studio would think of this but don't hold your fucking breath.) -
Obviously with Raimi leaving, it's never going to happen, but he would've been a far better Spidey than Tobey was.
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...there is no info out yet, no-one knows what's to come yet. Hell, JettL hasn't broken any major scoops or plotlines for us, give him a couple days, I'm sure he's in meetings with Sony and Avi right now.... (lol)..... but seriously, I do have quite a bit to say about all this Spiderman talk coming up, if anyone cares.
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Spider-Man is the draw here, not the actor playing Spider-Man. Cast Radcliffe and it's Maguire all over again. You'll see Radcliffe in the costume swinging all over the place, mask OFF, big fucking head flopping about, just so he can have face time on screen. Do you want a Spider-Man movie or not?
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Yes, Spider-Man 3 sucked, but I have zero, I repeat...ZERO...interest in another origin story. Period. How can you reboot a series that wasn't even finished?? FAIL.
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is nuts. These are the same people who ruined Spiderman 3 and you want them in charge of a reboot. A reboot mind you just so they can sell toys. Rami gave us 2 great spiderman films. He would have given us 3 if it where not for the studio. He deserved to one more shoot to prove himself. This is all about the bottom line and not the art.
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So you insipid bitches claiming his inclusion is what killed S-M3 are complete fuck-tards.Venom wasn't the problem, he was the saving grace! It's how Raimi HANDLED Venom(and the rest of the film) that was the problem. Christ, isn't that TOTALLY FUCKING OBVIOUS?
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Spiderman 1 & 2 were great films that done the character justice in terms of the big screen. The third instalment was just souless, with Sony deciding Venom was what the fans wanted (and let's face it enough cried for his inclusion) that he was put upon the film when Raimi had no love for the character.
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You moronic 12-year-olds are making my fucking head hurt. True he isn't as completely abysmal as he was in the first couple HP films, but "has serious acting chops"? Fucking HELL! Unless you are referring to some dancing porkchops he owns, you're stoned out of your fucking monkey brain!
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You don't start a successful series over. Spider-Man was a license to print money. You'd have to actually TRY to fuck it up. And guess what, YOU SUCCEEDED, Sony.
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Mary Elizabeth Winstead is officially Mary Jane WatsonLogan Lerman is out as peter, while he was the top choice, at only 17 he's far to young to be romantically believable with winstead, and the studio wants winstead in the role (the two of them did a screen test and the chemisty just wasn't there)
Most of you will probabaly groan at the next news, but Sam worthington is on the short list of potential spidey's,
other actors on the short list include Joey Kern, Jay Baruchel, Michael Cera, Zac Effron, and shia Labuef (The lasty 2 actors are probabaly out of the studio's price range so are not real contenders)These names are not set in stone, names will be added and taken off the list and sony is considering an open casting call to find a complete unknown
James Cameran will NOT be directing this, he was one of the first name's sony called and he turned them down, saying he "wanted to explore his own characters and story not be confined into a set universe, as he said Spiderman was my dream project for close to a decade, but i've matured as a filmaker and my dreams have changed"
This will not be a 2 hour origin story, in many ways it will act as a sort of "in-betweenquel" taking place between the first and second films (although in a different continuity) Peter already will have powers but not fully be spiderman yet
There will be 2 villans, Vulture is to be the main one and John Malkovich is waiting a script before he signs, the other villian will be Kraven the hunter (no actor has signed yet, but Javier Bardem is the producers top choiceProducers are looking to ape the formula of the current batman movies, by surrounding the main actor wil well established actors, expect aunt may to be a certain oscer winner
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Needs to be re-said.
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I want to believe your news, but your right,Worthington as Parker is hard to believe. He is way too old and way too tough-guy. The other actors, except LeBouf, are also terrible choices. I also find it hard to swallow that Michael Cera is on the short list. THAT would be some serious training.
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Unknowns are really the best way to go for a movie like this. It is easier for people to accept the actor as the character, plus the actor is more eager to sign up for sequels. This obsession with name talent in comic-book movies began with Burton's Batman, and look at how much trouble that series had keeping an actor in the role. This is why Christopher Reeve was chosen for Superman and why Sam Worthington was cast for Avatar (a quote from Cameron - "He was willing to do anything"). Established stars have egos that need to be catered to. If they are doing teen Spidey, there are literally THOUSANDS of unknown teen actors who would jump at the chance to play Peter and MJ.
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It definitely takes a whole new level of loser to invest the amount of time you do into coming up with your bullshit.
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over the course of 3 movies they never got it right so i'm all for others taking a shot at this character.
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Should have happened after the third film but better late than never.
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He was venom, idiots.
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If there is a way I hope they keep him as Jonah. He was the VERY best part. His JJ wasn't really angry or motivated by jealousy/hatred as other interpretations but that could easily be added and the guy is just hysterical. Sigh. I never really had a problem with Curt Connors, Ben, Betty Brant or even Aunt May either but o well. I don't know why people hate origins so much. They could retell it in a montage or something. I know it's weird and confusing but since Raimi decided that Ben was killed by Sandman I actually think telling it again is needed. A GOOD (at least 2 dimensional) Flash Thompson is too! Actually, if you kick out the shit MJ parts the origin wouldn't really take that long.
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Jan 12, 2010 10:12:07 AM CST
and Daniel Radcliffe, jeesh a fucktard idea
by rene_belloq_12inch_figure
no wonder, it was Lives_with_his_Asimom's idea.
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You people need to look up the script he was going to use before you blindly kiss his ass. The only part that stayed from that was the shitty organic web shooters that fit no purpose and only serve to confuse the audience and water down further arcs. And Spider-man running out of web fluid and having to refill at the very most inconvenient times is a sad think to dump.
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Love or loathe, the chicken can act.
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But I'm hoping for the best. It occurs to me I'm not a fan of any recent reboots and think that they are only a tad bit better then the original. At least where the Incredible Hulk is concerned.
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I just got news from a source that legendary actor Dustin hoffman is mere minutes away from signing on as JJ Jameson. From what i have heard his screen test was in a word amazing, he was layughy and serious but also a legendary actor. Well thats another role cast, i'm still investigating more scoops that i can bring to you my friends. Back in a juffy
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The newspapers are running the story about how things are going great for Maguire in Spidey preproduction.
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Jan 12, 2010 10:40:55 AM CST
Great News JettL, thanks I think Dustin Hoffman is a Great choi
by rene_belloq_12inch_figure
now go back to drooling inside your football helmet
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why the studio continued to fight with Raimi until he left. Raimi obviously brought them two of the highest grossing superhero films of the decade, without the studio's intervention. then the suits started fucking it up! they forced Raimi to integrate a half assed venom into the story and turned one of Spiderman's cooler, tougher and more diabolical enemies into pussified DEAD enemy. The studio has been reading too much of their own damn press to realize that, when they intervened with Raimi's Spiderman...They fucked it up. They should have left well enough alone and let Raimi do his thing. The should have had enough faith in Raimi, to let him make Spidey 4 his way. If they have a problem with the vulture being an old guy that can fly,what the hell is Green Goblin! An Old Guy that can fly!!!!! Is that the story I wanted to see? HELL NO! but i have faith that Raimi would have pulled it off to my delight. After all of this, now the director and the face of spidey (Tobey) are gone. The studio automatically says reboot? Isn't it a little soon to reboot Spidey? They rebooted superman (kinda) with Superman Returns but it took almost 20 years! They rebooted batman with batman begins but it took 8 years! Isnt 6 years a little too early for a reboot? I know your gonna say that The difference between Batman and Robin & Batman Begins was 8 years, and a 6 year diff between spideys isnt that far off. But the difference between BATMAN and SPIDERMAN is that Batman had been played by many 3 different actors before, where as spidey is only 1. This back to high school shit is gonna destroy this franchise even more. Audiences are sick of high school. They have been drowned with the High schooler dramas on all fronts, High School Musical, 1, 2 & 3, 17 Again, Secret Life of The American Teenager, Gossip Girl, Twilight, Harry Potter! I want to move out and get my own place! but I digress
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Jan 12, 2010 10:45:58 AM CST
Wow, screen tests already Jett? Can we expect a full trailer by
by vesuvio
Idiot.
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Namor! Truly the most worthless of all Marvel characters!
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Jan 12, 2010 10:47:33 AM CST
Do you guys think Marvel is interested in a reboot?
by rene_belloq_12inch_figure
to keep Norman Osborne alive, being he's such a big player in the Marvel Universe right now?
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stat!
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Why would he even go near this shitbomb?
Just do us all a favor and finish up your daily routine of getting out of at noon, eating frozen pizza rolls, jacking it before your mom comes home from work, then playing WOW for the rest of the day.
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Jan 12, 2010 11:00:38 AM CST
Don't blame Sam for walking. Only Marvel respect the comics.
by mr nicholas
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Without Venom the movie would uv liek had no dance numbers, Extremely convenient plot devices falling from the sky, Crying or Sandman picking at Uncle Ben's bones! Right? The script was perfect if it was only not for him! Right? WOW. I can't believe people still believe this. Like Raimi, the friggin director, is completely blameless? I love the guy, I think if he didn't direct Spider-man it would have been a Tim Burton level disaster BUT that doesn't mean his movies had no fault. And they just got more potent when the third one came around.
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Keep up the good work sir. :)
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Jan 12, 2010 11:08:58 AM CST
Dark Knight set the new bar and this is good news
by allpowerfulwizardofoz
While I enjoyed all the Spiderman movies that Sam made I hate to say it but after seeing TDK the Spiderman movies come across as childish and cheesy now. I'd like to see a serious Spiderman movie without the cheese aspect.
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Jan 12, 2010 11:09:03 AM CST
Dark Knight set the new bar and this is good news
by allpowerfulwizardofoz
While I enjoyed all the Spiderman movies that Sam made I hate to say it but after seeing TDK the Spiderman movies come across as childish and cheesy now. I'd like to see a serious Spiderman movie without the cheese aspect.
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Anyone? Anyone?
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fans are often ignored when it comes to casting. Some of the suggestions here are ridiculous.
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Seriously? I love Zooey, but come on. Now, get her hair blond like it was in Elf and she might make a good Gwen.
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will end up being peter, No not pattinson. The one with the muscles.
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Reboot with Ultimate SM in mind. Ive been reading it since day one, and there are so many great fresh takes on the characters that would work well on screen. I had so hoped they would try to apply some of the Venom storyline to SM3, but, well, I guess the symbiote landing coincedently next to Peter was more believable. Bring Bendis on to be at least a story editor, help with the dialogue.
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I just got this wee bit of news across my desk. I have it on very good authority that Dr Cut Conners will appear in the first film and that Robert Carlsyle hasd been cast in the role, he of course will be the main villan in spidey 2Also from an early draft of the script i have read the film is to be titled "The Amazing spider man"
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...WITH YOUR UP TO THE MIN SCOOPS ON WHOS PLAYING WHO. FANTASTIC. I LAUGH ALL THE WAY THROUGH THEM. ALSO JUST LIKE A TRUE COMPULSIVE LIAR THEY GET MORE FANTASTICAL EACH TIME. SAM WORTHINGTON LOL YOU SIR ARE COMEDY GOLD. CARRY ON.....
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as a USM version of MJ, perfect. I fell in love with her after Zombieland. If were talking OG Spidey, someone who looks like Megan Fox would be closer to the mark, though Im not necessarily nominating her. I still kinda like someone who mentioned Adam Brody for Peter, he has the attitude, but maybe too old now. I kinda like James McAvoy as Peter too, but, again, prob not if they are going with something in High School, and Id doubt hed ever do it. Just please, no Michael Cera.
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I must have missed him in the Marvel universe.
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Jan 12, 2010 11:46:33 AM CST
No Megan Fox, Save her for Wonder Womaaan!
by rene_belloq_12inch_figure
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Jan 12, 2010 11:48:11 AM CST
NATHAN FILLION AND ZOOEY DESCHANEL AS EVERYTHING
by rene_belloq_12inch_figure
This website is sick.
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you retards supported it and will do the same with a crappy reboot. It is your fault that movies suck.
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Id rather see a sequel to Spiderman 3 with 5 villains and 3 Venoms
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I suppose we'll be getting one of the newer, more-popular-with-the-internet-fanboys villain, like Hip Hop or Malt Likker or Emo Kid. Good work Venom fans, and good work Ari and Suits for listening to what internet fanboys think they want. Good work. Okay - time to call Renny Harlin...
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Jan 12, 2010 11:58:23 AM CST
what's the title? Amazing or Ultimate Spider-Man? Speqtacular?
by meadowe
Stephen Lang as Uncle Ben, maybe Amanda Seyfried as Gwen Stacy (she might be considered too "old" since this is high school spidey), and hopefully an iconiq score instead of elfman's massive meh. And hopefully we'll still have Dylan as the Lizard, it's only right.
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Spidey 3 was disappointing, but it was HUGELY successful. I think for the studio to do this then there most have been some very serious disagreements on the direction the franchise would take in the next movie. I would like to see what Raimi had planned. And I fucking hate reboots, granted it might be called for if the first attempt was irredeemable, but Raimi gave us one great action flick, one fantastic one, and one overblown folly (that made more than the previous 2 films by far). Why are they doing this? Even if you go ahead without Raimi, make it a direct sequel please, always feel reboots expect you to disregard whats come before, and I won't be able to do that
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This reboot, or rather reheat, is going to be the Batman Forever/Batman & Robin of the Marvel universe, just when the rest of the Marvel characters are establishing actors and storylines, ready for the Avengers, we get fed this muck, sounding a lot like a variant on the current kids Spiderman cartoon,
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I cannot beileve how much the movie-going public likes to see the same stories over and over. A reeboot for "Spider-Man", you can't be serious. Do we really want to relive the chapter of Peter Parker's youth again?
The first two films are great, Spidy II is the Empire Strikes Back of Superhero films (IMO). Three missed the mark, but whatever it was OK, not great.
It goes without saying that Spidy was in need of a new director, I'm pretty sure Rami was beyond burned out.
But a reboot, I am so tired of Hollywood insisting we sit though the same stories over and over. Superman Returns suffered from being exactly like the Superman we have seen a zillion times. I will gladly watch my Spider Man Blu Ray DVD's an my son can enjoy the next generation in a few years.
If there is going to be a reboot bring in JJ Abrams, he's the master of the reboot.
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killed the franchise in the same way Batman and Robin killed its franchise. That's too bad the first two Spideys were great. I won't be seeing any Spider Man reboots I just have no interest in this anymore. They nailed it with the first two and could repair it with a fourth. Sitting through this all over again seems like work. Oh well, At least we're not having to suffer an American Akira. Oh wait... TRAVISSSS
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is that for the studio suits it's not enough that this film is likely to make hundreds of millions of dollars. For the studio they must do everything possible to squeeze as much money out of this film as they can. If this means they produce a crappy film that, theoretically, provides ten more dollars than a quality Spider-Man film, then this is what they will do. For Sony, it is not just about making truckloads of money, it's about making every cent possible.
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Please, for the love of all that is right in this world, take your medications.
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..depisting what woould have happened in his film, not to mention a comic showing what Spidey3 would have been without studio interference.
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As with most franchises, Spider-Man was a victim of it's own success. You only need to look at what happened to Batman before Batman Begins to see how it declined and picked up speed to only crash in a mushroom cloud of day-glo, mangled scripts, baaaad acting (Thanks, AHnold) and damn near the death of the franchise. But if a course correction for the Bat, it can be a good thing for the Spider too.Anyone with eyes can see that SP3 clearly underperformed. The potential was there, but doing too much with too much, at least for me, killed it. If Raimi is tired and all actors concerned have felt they've contributed what they have, then let somebody take the reins.But if you do that, your results need to reflect something that the people want to watch, not just sell some friggin toys. However you do it, Sony, just do it right.But that's just my opinion, and so far Sony hasn't called me to take me up on it, so you know how it goes.
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i have seen art work and the first prototype of the finished product and while theres not much you can change up on the spidy suit, they have done some altercations.The red is slighty darker and the raised webbing and spider emblem are gone, they will be printed onto the material for a more smooth look. The blue is also much darker and has a sort of gray/black tinge to it. Also the web between the armpits is included on the costume, this is a classic spidy look no doubt about it I might be able to get a picture of the suit, but i highly doubt AICN would post it due to copyright restriction
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I enjoyed the majority of Spiderman 3. Sure, it had its problems which mainly stemmed from including Venom as a villain, but overall it included an impressive visual language that, as in the earlier films, managed to combine cartoons, melodrama, horror, among others, into a surprisingly coherent film.
Now that I have that out of the way, let me address the Batman Forever/Batman & Robin comparisons. Despite whether you enjoyed or disliked Spiderman 3, I think anyone who is not deluding himself can admit that it was heads and shoulders above Schumaker's Batman films. In fact, you could write a dissertation explaining how Raimi used camp effectively, balancing it with tight action and characterization, while Schumaker wielded it like a chainsaw. Spiderman 3 was certainly a dip in quality, but it was far from the death of the franchise like Schumaker's Batmans.
If Spiderman 3 was the atrocity that some people claim, then the death of Spiderman 4 would be easier to take. Unfortunately, this is not the case. Raimi still had it in him to create a fantastic new Spiderman, perhaps a fantastic new Spiderman trilogy. Sadly, we will never see what he would have come up with. -
...stunk. 2-3 worst of all. Raimi didn't even follow the Spiderman mythos for fucks sake. How in the HELL do you make a Spiderman and he is NOT a smartass? from the get go, Spidey was doomed, no matter what any of you say, the Spiderman movies all were VERY poor. at least in my opinion, and I love Spidey.
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Realism connects these far fetched premises to the audience's every day life. At the time, the first Spider-Man seemed more realistic than other approaches to the genre. Now it just looks plain silly. I hope the next director approaches Spider-Man with more realism. The least I hope for is a rooftop roving Spider-Man that doesn't look like a poorly rendered cartoon.
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...of all Tools. Man, you are so fuckin' stupid, it just boggles the mind.
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Symbiote WAS the plot of the third movie... and it was treated TERRIBLY.
The Symbiote is supposed to make Peter make terrible moral choices. If the only way that Raimi could have made that clear was emo hair and dance numbers, then the movie is a FAILURE.
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...NO on JJ Abrams, NO to Josh Whedon. Bring in people that will do Spidey and the genre justice and respect. Guys that TRULY love the characters, and no, Raimi DID NOT!!... you want it done right, let Favreau have at it.
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Jan 12, 2010 12:56:23 PM CST
Rene_Belloq_12inch_Figure, i very rarely call people trolls
by asimovlives
but you task me.
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Agree with you. My citing of Batman was meant to illustrate what can happen when a franchise begins straying from good characterization and goes too far away from the mix of a good story and action. And yes, Spider-Man was hands down better handled as a frachise, but THREE was a mess. It wasted time on the love story angle at the sacrifice of good story. Gwen Stacy was in it for no reason; you could have put anyone in her place and it wouldn't have made a difference. Venom was a waste, and you can see how much Raimi wanted to do it by shoving him toward the end of the movie. The Goblin angle was entertaining, but not enough. And the one thing that had potential - the Sandman angle - was just background noise. An atrocity? No, but it wasn't good, it was just okay.
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Sony supplied the money and allowed Raimi the creative freedom to write and direct the movies and to choose the stars! And people blame Sony!?!?! Fact is without the money and backing of Sony and others like them these movies would not get made. I may not be a fan of corporations as such, and I'm certainly not a fan of Sony, but to blame them for Spiderman being absolutely shit is beyond me! I know people seem to think Raimi is some sort of special-gifted director, but he's not. He absolutely isn't. I enjoyed the first film. Liked the second (mostly). Didn't care much for the third (and was embarrassed at how bad parts of it were). I've always been disappointed with the actors he chose to star. I have nothing against them, but they weren't right for these parts. I was indifferent, but understood why people were annoyed about the non-mechanical webs (an obvious compromise would have been mechanical, but also using Parker's genetically altered blood!). Directors don't work to well if they stay on a series too long. Two movies is enough.
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... it was the studio people. Who, now that Rami is out, are now in completly in charge of the franchise. Everything wrong about Spider-Man 3, you have the studio to thank for. And now, and i'm sure in part thanks to your bitching, the only thing that actually gave some credibility to the spider-Man movies is gone. Congratalations, geeks, you got what you wanted. Happy now?
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Wrong. The only Spider-Man movie where Raimi had total control was Spider-Man 2, and it shows, as it is, by far the best of the Spider-Man movies. The studio forced a lot of impositions on Raimi for Spider-Man 1, and even more on Spider-Man 3, and the results shows. Though shit for you to admit, but the best thing about the franchise is no more. Can't fucking wait when Sony will do for Spider-Man what they did with the reboot of Hulk and made that pathetic nonsense of a movie. Only then you will learn that you have been pissing at the wrong tree.
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You think all the millions made from Spiderman movies came from internet geeks and hardcore Spiderman fans? Movie studios don't care what fans say, let alone in some tiny corner of the internet. "Congratulations, geeks, you got what you wanted. Happy now?" ...dude you are seriously pathetic. Deluded too. If you think Sony actually reads messages on websites like this, send them a personal message and they may answer your prayers and phone Raimi up and tell him it was all a mistake!!!
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edgar wright directing starring anton yelchin with a freaks and geeks type tone
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Always bringing down the really talented directors while carrying in their sholders the most untalented hacks. Always the same shit, year after year. Can't wait until the geeks turn against the talented Christopher Nolan and go full retard bashing on him. Lord give me strengh!
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You are part of the problem. However small it is, it's still a problem, and you get your share of the blame. Deal with it.
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...it's their money after all that creates such movies. A good director works with the system or shuts the fuck up and goes and makes smaller movies. I'm sure every director has stories to tell similar to the Raimi/Spiderman 3 one. But as the man who chose the actors, wrote the script and directed the movie, it's pretty weak to go and then blame the studio. He's to blame. He's not untouchable. And he's certainly not perfect. And in Spiderman 3 he made one of the least enjoyable superhero movies. Quite an achievement.
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don't know if anyone has mentioned this, but reboots are the bread and butter of the comics industry. Comic properties are rebooted all the time with new writers and illustrators. Why should films be any different? There are a million Spider-Man stories. And frankly, I thought Raimi's approach was good, but not excellent. There's so much better that can be done. I say Bring It On. (and not a Kirsten Dunst reference). This time, cast a Peter Parker who's actually a smartass with depth, not some whiny, angsty punk (no offense to Tobey, who's an excellent actor, just miscast). And do Gwen Stacy right!
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The difference between you and I is I don't care what happens to the Spiderman franchise. I love the films I love, and avoid the films I don't. If I don't like the direction a movie series has taken I stop watching. I watched the Spiderman films because I like the comicbook character and they were enjoyable enough (at least until the last one). Had Raimi continued screwing up Spiderman I'd have waited until it was on TV, for free, before I saw the next one (that's how little respect I had for the series and for this director now). Fortunately Raimi's out and I may go and watch the movie at the cinema. If it's enjoyable enough I'll even buy the disc. I have some favourite actors or directors, but I never stick by them religiously. If favourites make a film I don't like or don't want to watch, I avoid it. I certainly won't defend their work. They get paid to do a professional job, they do not require my defense. Which makes me wonder why you're so angry at comments about Raimi? I have no idea how your mind works. But to suggest that I or any movie-goer is responsible for a 'creative disagreement' between movie director/writer and studio is utterly ridiculous. The employers and employee fell out and the employee walked. It's that simple. Or maybe you think I wrote a note to Sony, and they listened? Come on dude, your stupidity is beyond belief.
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people always shit on that as though it's an also-ran since TDK and Iron Man came out that summer, but there are times I actually enjoy it more than either one of those movies. And comparing it to the original?! The first 20 minutes alone are better than the entirety of Ang Lee's Hulk. It had a great cast, great FX (especially the cave sequence, thinking of the water running down the Hulk's back) and a kick-ass fight at the end that FOR ONCE, put someone like Hulk against a worthy adversary. If you check out the blu-ray, watch the deleted scenses... some of them are better than anything in the movie. Which I guess does prove the point of some of the detractors who mention studio interference, but still, what's there made for a fucking great Hulk movie, one that I'd been waiting a very long time for.
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In fact, his films, although peppered with happy-making moments, had many, many bolloxed moments. I think even ardent fans found the third film embarrassing at times.
The casting was somewhat irksome, with Kirsten Dunst being completely awful and many of the villains boooooring. I didn't really dig the second film, even though Alfred Molina was pretty good - I just think Raimi's movies were a bit too quirky yet too one-note. Does that make any sense?
I for one was not in any great hurry to see what Raimi had up his sleeve for the next installment. I would love to see Cameron tackle Spidey the way he envisioned. I'm sure there are heap big filmmakers out there who would love the opportunity to "reinvent" Spidey for the future. -
Check out Empire's list of "10 Actors Who Could Take Over Spider-Man." Jesus Christ... http://tinyurl.com/ygbmdsb
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Comparing M. Bay to Lucas is one of the most unjust things I've seen done in recent talkbacks. Your taste sucks and you have no respect for the greats.
If you didn't like the prequels and thought Indy 4 sucked, that is fine. But please, it is pathetic that you ignore the truth that Lucas also CREATED Indiana Jones, Star Wars, American Graffiti. Name anything close to that on Bay's resume, just want some fairness, please. Also, to mention Cameron as the hope for Spidey????? Cameron's script sucked big farts, would have been terrible. And seriously, Cameron has made some very good films, but nothing close to like say Peter Jackson, Lucas, Spielberg, even Raimi's Spider-Man 2 was better for me than anything Cameron has done, except maybe, Terminator.
Plus, Cameron's most recently worshipped film, Avatar, SUCKED at everything, other than the visuals. At least Lucas failures still have some sorta story. Cameron's Avatar was the worst story for a fantasy I've seen in a long time. -
with someone who does have snaggle teeth and flapjack titties. MJ grows up to be a model in the comics, while in the movies Peter is arguably better looking than MJ (I say that with a staunch heterosexual background). I agree that the franchise doesn't belong to just Raimi, there are plenty of talents directors who could do well as long as Marvel finds the right one. Maybe if Harry plays his fat cards right he can get cast as Mojo.
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Having a totally new and possibly younger cast might be what this franchise needs. BUT! It was a major fault of the studio that made Spidey 3 the steaming pile of shit that it is. They want to rush a new Spidey film so fast that they are just aching for a new craptastic mess. No matter who takes the helm of the new movie or which actors are involved you KNOW the studio will just make the same old origin story with a bunch of shit thrown in a la WOLVERINE, but its "for the fans" bullshit. I want to be excited but I have this terrible feeling that Spidey will end up worse than 3.
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Jan 12, 2010 2:12:24 PM CST
Here is the problem with going back to high school, dipshits
by stan gable
So they cast an actor in the range of 18-21 right now to play Peter Parker in high school and still be developed enough to have the physique of Spider-Man. So in two years when the movie hits theaters he's actually 20-23. Now you want to maintain the franchise and keep the same actor, who is now in his mid-20's, playing a guy still in high school or recently graduated. Otherwise you advance the character's age accordingly and you are back in the same position you are in now with Tobey Maguire. I am not interested in high school awkward Peter Parker. It is fine to recast the part, but the vast majority of the comic book lexicon takes place after the high school years, with the exception of that Ultimate Spider-Man bullshit that reads like a screenplay of Gilmore Girls.
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Avatar did parallel stories like Pocahontas and even Diane Fossey (a role also played by Sigourney), but come the fuck on, man. Worst fantasy you've seen in a long time? Surely that statement is meant as hyperbole, or as an homage to Comic Book Store Guy, and not as truth. Unless you are such a sad, sad man that believes the Star Wars prequels had a real story. Talk about only having visuals. What else did the new Star Wars boast? Darth Vadar Jr. saying "yipeeee!", Jar Jar Binks existing, and Padme just somehow dying in childbirth even though they have the technology to travel the speed of light and build gay protocol droids. And Lucas ruined Indy, as well.So sir, start defending.
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My problem? People not thinking things through.
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... some unimportant overpayed hack who will make a souless Spider-Man movie made by comité, then you geeks remember what you said about Sam Raimi. Maybe then, maybe, you will finally understand.
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"Taylor Lautner. Miley Cyrus. From the director of Bring It On. A Michael Bay Production."This is bad, bad news and a huge fuck you to Sam Raimi.
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I forgot to say that before.
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He directed the damn thing. The studio gave him the pieces and asked him to put it together. He carelessly threw it together because he refused to care about the Venom character and I dont care what anyone says, with that much talent working on a story its stupid that they couldnt collaborate and figure out a way to tie it all together in 2 and a half hours, over a period of probably like 2 years. It was sloppy, sloppy storytelling. I like Raimi, but IMO he was acting like a whiny fanboy, and instead of thinking outside the box, he did EXACTLY what the studio asked but refused to tie the elements together in an organic way. The writers share equal, if not more blame. A shit ton of people who post on this site could have come up with a better way to execute that movie, so why the fuck couldnt a group of movie making professionals figure it out?
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What a fucking mess.
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Praise Allah for the reboot! No more stupid triangle eyed/layered/fish scaled blue spidey suit! No more cartoony CG! No more Power Ranger Green Goblin! No more Ski suited Goblin Jr! No more dazed or taking a dump expressions for Tobey M! No more ugly Dunst and uglier Howard! No more limp, voice cracking, lame Spidey quips! No more the Sandman killed Uncle Ben! No more defiled Venom! No more villains that you need to empathize with! No more Vulture as the main villain! No more bad ass dancing black suit Spidey! No more lame Raimi references to the rest of his non-Spidey canon! Sorry, Spider-man 2 was the only decent one, and it's only "good." I get it guys, Raimi is a geek icon, but at least admit that his Spider-Man movies didn't even close to what you really hoped for.
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If you read, I wrote that Avatar was one of the worst STORIES in a fantasy I had seen in a long time. I meant it. Knew what was gonna happen before it happened, didn't care when key characters were defeated, victorious, or died. Didn't care when the characters said anything. It sucks, because I wanted to care. My heart was pounding with excitement for the first hour of the film because I was so assured the effects/3-D had placed me on another planet. All this wore off by the final third and I was left with characters that kept making me cringe with what they were DOING, a story that had me completely bored not believing in anyone or anything, and a Celine Dionish power ballad to close it out. I know that the prequels had many faults but, I remember that the stories kept me guessing and at least with Episode 3, kept me excited about the irony that was present in the story(Anakin turns to the dark side to save Padme and this is what kills her. while Vader is being born, so are the twins etc.)
Mock me all you want, doesn't change my opinion. The critics praised Episode 3 just the same way there praising the lesser Avatar, just so you know(see rottentomatoes).
But, if you read what I originally wrote, you will see that it was in hostility against the idea that Michael Bay and Lucas are basically the same. Can anybody defend such a notion?
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Your opinion officially is garbage. USM and Gilmore Girls both happen to be well written with snappy dialogue. I dont necessarily disagree with your point about going back to High School but to use those 2 things as a basis for your point? Horse shit man. Go away.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1c1G24GWDg
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It's seriously fucked up, what happen? Someone set up us the bomb?
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...Conan will be directin Spider-Man! and playin Mary Jane!
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And in a bad way. Yes, as a story Avatar is simple. Very, very simple. My impression when I watched it was that I was watching a live action Disney cartoon (albeit one with cussing, violence, and thundercat sex) but thats not a bad thing. Aladdin, Beauty and the Beast, etc. are all incredibly simple stories, but thats part of the appeal. There is a difference between simple and stupid. Even Star Wars succeeded on its ability to take simple recognizable archetypes and create a world around it. Avatar does the same. Depending on your view you could argue that it does so not as successfully, but I would argue that most people who are fans of Star Wars would probably not have the same reaction to it watching it for the first time now, as opposed to seeing it when they were 10. I fucking hate the Prequels but my nephew is nuts about it, and loves Avatar just as much. Time will tell how he remembers it, but IMHO there are 2 types of people who dont like Avatar: people who get motion sickness and people who stubbornly refuse to like it *cough*Devin*cough
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SPIDER-MAN: RISE OF THE SPIDER.Because today every fucking movie is called Rise of the Whateverthefuck.
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Raimis version of spidey was ok, but it wasnt great and neither were much of the current cast, so a Raimi version SM4 is no real loss.
but reboot and take Spidey back to high school, and its Peter Parker trying to come to terms with his superpowers, love story with popular girl in class, going to school with the son of an evil industrialist, throw in some super villians, and are we talking Spidey origin story or more like a Smallville
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and if you think otherwise you're a cunt who probably obsesses over the [nonexistent] meanings of David Lynch movies while masturbating to Vincent Gallo being a psychopath in BUFFALO 66.
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...Please sweet Jesus. I wanna a lightweight, breezy, daylit, fun hero flick-no new origin or Goblin et al. Keep the navel gazing angst for Batman-lets reclaim Spidey for the kids!! Soooo sweet to think no more Dunst phoning it in (her & Tobeys careers have totally stalled anyhow). Happy days indeed!!
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Actually, you're not quite right. It was Sony's money that paid for Spiderman. It was all the money Sam Raimi MADE FOR SONY that paid for Spiderman 2, and it was all the money Sam Raimi MADE FOR SONY WITH SPIDERMAN 2 that paid for Spiderman 3. Let's look at this from a logical perspective. Spiderman 1, Raimi had creative freedom. Spiderman 2, Raimi had creative freedom. Spiderman 3, Raimi did not have creative freedom. Which one of those three movies sucked? Right.
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But still it was Raimi who chose not to do what the execs asked of him in a way that worked. There were a lot of great elements in Spiderman 3 that could have worked amazingly but Raimi was the director. He had the power to make sure the elements gelled and after how great SM2 was, I can only assume based on what was in SM3, that he just refused to try.
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I do not get motion sickness and I did not refuse to like anything. I saw Avatar, wnated to love it so much when I saw it, and when it was done, I hated it. All visuals and nothing else. Just plain stupid.
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to be fair to Raimi, looking at his career I would assume he wasnt used to being told what to do, and didnt deal well. He seems to collaborate well with a certain group, and probably didnt respond well to outside pressure. But still, Spiderman is bigger than Raimi. He should have tried to find a way to do the best with what he was asked(told) to do. In the end we were the ones who will always miss out on the promise of an exciting sequel to SM2.
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Fair enough. I enjoyed it, and found it to be simple and effective. Ive always thought Cameron was very good at "dumb", and I expected as much going in, but your experience is your experience.
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Episode III was a terrible, awkward movie that with every passing minute, took limitless potential and crushed under it's heel. It was absolutely silly, and made me cringe more times than Happiness. Every time a character spoke in that film, it was nothing but sterile exposition. "I am going here to do this, you are my friend and I have trained you since you were a so and so and lol...I suspect a plot to destroy the jedi". The 'romance' dialogue between Padme and Anakin was just unwatchably awkward and forced. And the fact that every time that chick had something really important to do, she inexplicably stopped offscreen to don a new lavish out fit and spend 3 hours getting her hair done. "OMG, Obi-wan's going to kill Ani, I have to stop him!!!" and she frantically brushes her hair in the bathroom because her current hairdo simply isn't good enough to save her about-to-die husband. You know what else I loved...how the scary emperor held his hands in a weird elevated limp-wrist pose for ever scene after he revealed himself and moaned out all his dialogue. And the part where he screamed 'unlimited POWAAAAAAH' at the top of his lungs...could only be topped in cringworthy lameness by Vader's NOOOOOOO scream at the end. The films only single moment of genuine character interaction was Obi-wans speach at the end while Anakin lay burning in the ash...only to be punctuated by Anakin's silly childish teenager scream of "IHAYCHOOO". That movie was absolute fucking drek.
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Only time ever, I have not been cursed out by somebody on here for stating my poor experiance with Avatar.
You do make a good point though. Cameron has always been good at "dumb" and I just felt like somehow things were different this time around. Thats not to say that he didn't achieve something incredible with his movie(VISUALS ARE STONECOLD AMAZING) but I just felt that the cleverness he had used on me in the past to make me care for dumb characters was gone. And, for a guy who's strongest attribute for me was his storytelling, I was sorely disappointed. Overall though, I haven't stopped believing that Cameron will do some other great things in his career as long as he's making movies, just don't have faith in Avatar. -
Reeve Carney as Spider-Man, Evan Rachel Wood as MJ, and Alan Cumming as the Green Goblin. And since that show is having financial problems, Sony might as well put them to use.
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Have you seen the original trilogy? All the things you complained were present in the OT, especially Return of the Jedi(Leia always changing outfits-even in the Ewok village!; all dialogue between Han and Lando and Leia -it's frequently cheese; did you enjoy the limp wrist the Emperor used in Jedi?; what about the final family portrait they do at the end of Jedi in the last scene?; How bout the ewoks?)
Star Wars fans got a Star Wars movie with Episode 3 that was full of the same flaws as all the others. You just must be blind if you are gonna try to defend "higher quality in the originals". -
Could've been fun.
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Empire has LESS flaws. But all those things you complained of are even present in there too, just a smaller dose is all.
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So we gotta sit through the whole Peter Parker/Spiderman transformation again. Maybe I'll just skip th first one and check out number 2.
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This is for the Talkbacker blholtz, so everyone else can ignore what I'm about to type: FOX NEWS more fair and balanced than CNN? Are--you--SERIOUS?! I mean, Lou Dobbs recently left CNN because they DON'T practice what he calls "advocacy journalism." And CNN is at least accused of bias by BOTH sides--look up all the controversies liberals have brought against CNN. FOX is ONLY ever accused of bias for ONE side, which means it's glaringly obvious to almost all. To anyone who says FOX NEWS is the most fair and balanced, all I can say is that you are suffering from EXTREME confirmation bias: that channel supports YOUR VIEWS of the world, and none of the others do, so OF COURSE it sounds like the most "fair and balanced" to you. There's a saying: "If one person calls you a dog, you can ignore them. If TWO people call you a dog, you should begin to wonder. If, however, THOUSANDS of people call you a dog, you should begin licking your balls and chasing cars, because YOU'RE A DOG!" Of course, another saying says that an idea does not gain truth as it gains followers, but FOX's bad rep by most of today's intellectuals and leaders should at LEAST be an indicator of something stinky (NOTE: Remember how Lou Dobbs recently left CNN because they DIDN'T practice "advocacy journalism?" Yeah, that's a nice way of saying Lou Dobbs prefers biased journalism, and CNN said no way.) Anyway, that's my $0.02. We're all just floating...
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To people who seem to think that TPM was about taxation on trade routes or whatever.
Go fuck yourself.
Since i was a kid...
(and even after that, when i grew out of SW)
I always wondered how the emperor seized his power. I imagined him storming into the senate or whatever and DEMANDING power. Shooting lighntning bolts left and right. I used to re-enact this with my fucking action figures all the time.
1 2 and 3 is all about PALPATINE and his plan to take control of the fucking galaxy.
I only had to see 1 to get it.
He does not TAKE the power.
He is GIVEN it.
Some reviewers ignored this.
One fuckball even called Darth Sidious "the new transvestite villian" without a major purpose.
2 and 3 was pretty meh.
I watched them for the snazzy fx and Christopher Lee.
AND of course Palpatines eventual freak-out.
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It's way, way too early to do another origin story. You should wait for a different generation before wholesale starting over, not rebooting a franchise that is only 8 years old and hasn't really had down time (no major lags between sequels). Just recast with a new director and continue.
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Stated, well enough.
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why should they have taken the time and effort to "figure it out"???..SM3 made $850 million at the box office.
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but return of the jedi stinks balls. star wars is two movies the rest is in my head. smackfu's analysis of ep3 is spot on. this debate is over. the prequels ruined my life.
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I wasn't saying that Bay and Lucas were birds of a feather...I am a Star Wars fan. I was just pointing out that 'Avatar' doesn't hold a monopoly on big, dumb, shallow science fiction stories that get by on its visuals if that's your take on 'Avatar'.
I like Lucas, but if you're gonna rip Cameron's storytelling in 'Avatar' then you can't then defend Lucas for his "storytelling" in Crystal Skull which was shit.
Transformers 2 was a much bigger infraction on storytelling than 'Avatar' ever will be and it was #2 in box-office for 2009.
My point is that 'Avatar' is far and away better than the last story Lucas put out or that Bay put out and hell yeah, I think he would make a great Spiderman film. -
...how soon do you think Sony is going to need to announce a director to make the 2012 release date? Spidey takes a long time in post-production.
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was a pretty good reboot, Ed Norton for fuck's sake! You had monsters smashing stuff & beating the shit out of each other, that's what the hulk was about when I was a kid. Let's face it, the franchise was getting tired & was carrying a lot of baggage.
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The reason why Spider-Man 3 sucked so bad is because Sony listened to Arad. It needs Venom! It needs a song and dance! Parker has to be emotional!
Fuck you Arad. This is dumb rebooting this series after the third film. Spider-Man 1 and 2 made massive piles of money for Sony, and now they want to reboot it already? Fuck that. They need to tell Arad to jump off a cliff, get rid of Kirsten Dunst and give the story to a competent writer and continue where they left off. -
Okay, ya, Crystal Skull blew massive farts in my face in the storytelling department. And ya, I didn't see Transformers 2, but can only imagine how bad it must have been. Avatar was the worst fantasy story I had personally seen since the first Transformers actually. Except, James Cameron is trying to sell it like it actually IS great storytelling or something. Or at least that is how it felt to me.
I can see what you're saying now, makes sense. But I would not say "far and away better". It is of the same poopoo crap pee emesis that old Lucas and Bay created with their last two I suppose.
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Fuck no, just recast Peter and Mary Jane. That's ALL you have to do. New director, great, but the ONLY thing that needs to be fixed from the previous films is to establish that Eddie Brock survived the explosion at the end of the last movie. Otherwise, do not reboot this. There is no need for it, we'll be wasting our time with that kind of shit!
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Every Spider-man movie had problems and the 3rd one was unwatchable.
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Your last statement about the prequels gave me a lol moment.
Anyways, I can see what you're saying and it is certainly more fair than what I hear from many, but I submit to you that A New Hope and Empire are riddled with the same flaws as the rest of the series(just not as many is all). but it doesn't matter because the Star Wars universe is so gosh dang fascinating that in the end, I just don't care. Honestly ya, I know the prequels have a lot of flaws, but I think that Episode 3 is no example of flaws anymore or less than Jedi was. Even more, I just don't care because for me, where I want it to get it right, it does.
I know most of the fanboys disagree but, Episode 3 was a Star Wars movie deserving of that title(if Jedi ever was) and among my favorite films of the decade was this movie.
Other Films from the Decade:
Just so you don't pre-judge my taste: No Country For Old Men, There Will Be Blood, Dark Knight, Eternal Sunshine, LOTR Trilogy, Memento, Apocalypto, Spider-Man 2, Man on Wire, Man Who Wasn't There, Assassination of Jesse James, Grizzly Man etc etc etc.
I know I am just talking to myself and rambling big time as well. Oh well feels good to be a loser.
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We're all movie obsessives aren't we?
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Movie obssessive we are.
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Movie obsessive we are.
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this is a clusterfuck of epic proportion. the question is how much, if any, of the recurring supporting cast would be willing to return without Raimi? we know Dunst and Maguire are gone, will JK simmons and Rosemary Harris follow? and if you lose the entire supporting cast as well as the leads, Sony's then left with the choice of continuing forward with one of the most beloved and profitable franchises of the past decade with an entirely new cast trying to ape the earlier performances, or trying to completely restart a franchise that's still fresh and (judging by the BO reciepts from 3) still quite popular amongst the average film-goer. this is a lose-lose situation for Sony, and since there's no way in hell they'll let the rights revert before at least getting a quick cash-in a-la-X3. this will not end well for anyone involved.
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hells yeahs, and calling me a troll means a lot from the biggest troll in the website thanks Lives with his Asimom.
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I happen to agree with your assessment of why Spider-Man 3 was sucky sucky.
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Jan 12, 2010 7:47:20 PM CST
Rene_Belloq_12inch_whatever, worst name ever because it takes so
by lucasdefender
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retooling my ass, Sony loves to castrate themselves every decade or so.
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I don't like Arad either but blaming him for the musical numbers and "emotion" is bordering on delusional. Show me where he says anywhere that he wanted that. Umm also the second movie also had those two elements.
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...and you're crying emo bitch ass vision of Spiderman! I was having a good day already and finally hearing this news makes it even better! Thankyou AICN dudes! Take the rest of the week off.
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ONe of the great things about Comic books in general, and Spiderman in particular, was that early on he showed up in everyone else's books, and they in his.
New York was teaming with heroes. You had the Baxter Building, Spidey, Daredevil, Avengers Mansion, and on and on.
And you had plenty of NY based villians, including Dr. Doom -- who had a consulate in New York that he hung out at -- and Namor was in a soup kitchen! (I kid! I kid!).
That's why Marvel studioes is going to rule in a few years when they get all their corssovers going.
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Good point that would be cool if spiderman made some cameos in other Marvel films. It would be true to the comics.
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Do we really need to see Peter's backstory AGAIN!??
we just saw this in 02' and in less than a decade we'll be seeing this origin story all again?! why? -
This is what happens when you put the buggy in front of the horse and rush to try and make a deadline instead of taking the time to craft a product. Now we won't get to see a Dylan Baker Lizard. Or a Malkovich Vulture. Instead, I fear, we'll get some teenaged Electro. Fuck that. And screw you, Sony. PS: Its good to be back!
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Just doesn't sit well with me. I feel like we've done that enough in the past 3 movies. We're just treading water here folks.
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Just fall off of something very tall, why don't you? You have never had a single inside scoop of anything in your life. Hell, I doubt they let you even have scoops of ice cream when you show up in your helmet drooling all over the place. And as for the "I could get a picture of the suit, but AICN wouldn't post it" ... just put it on PhotoBucket and put a link. Oh, that's right, you're making ALL OF IT UP, and probably are at home (the same room you've been in since you were six) jerking off to all the responses to your idiocy.
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And I feel sorry for each and every one of you that buy his bullshit.
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... that any of us ACTUALLY buy anything that retarded cunt says. It's just nice to fuck with him the way he misguidedly fucks us with his ignorant diatribe of ridiculous shit........and all the Spidermans sucked, I hate Raimi and Sony for what they did to Spidey.
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There are stories every once in awhile where someone makes the joke like "JettL was on this production, I can't wait to hear what he has to say about it..." and some poor naive sap responds with something like "Wow, did JettL really work on this?!? PLEASE JETTL!!! Tell me, was so-and-so really nice? I hope so!" or "JEttL!! Is this shot is CGI in the trailer, but please tell me its more practical effects than CGI in the movie? Thx!!"
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A cross between Legion and Marvel. God sends his minions to wipe us out so an army of super hero's are assembled to take them on. Frickin' Sweet
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Nooooooo!! And poor Dylan Baker, hanging around in the back round for three films, likely in the hopes that he would be headlining villain The Lizard down the line. Never happen now, unless they reboot Casino Royale style, keeping him on like they did Judy Dench (wish they had kept Robbie Coltrane's Valentine too). God damn this still pisses me off, why reboot a hugely successful franchise?? The Vulture must have scared them
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A Batman Begins or Royale which are both prequels and remakes, or a sequel that ignores whats come before The Incredible Hulk style? Can't see them doing an origin story again, think we're looking at a Hulk kinda job.
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I'm with you on the defense of Ep. 3. I rank it ahead of ROTJ. I do have problems with the way the Obi v Ani final battle was staged and how easily Palpatine took out 2 Jedi Masters in his office but other than that ROTS is a good Star Wars film...period.
I agree with D.Vader about the Peter/MJ/Gwen 'angsty' love stuff. It's as if Raimi made three 'Peter Parker: Spider Man' movies. I want some 'Amazing Spiderman' movies.
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Sequel, sequel, *URRPPPGHLLL* Reboot.Sequel, sequel, franchise, branding, sequel *URRPPGGHLLL* Reboot. Sequel, synergize, sequel, sequel, multi-platform, sequel, opening weekend, maximize value chain, sequel *URRPHGHHLGLHGHLHLGG*Reboot...
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Sony has the movie rights to Spiderman, but only if they do something with them every few years. If they don't make a Spiderman movie, Marvel gets those back, which they're trying to do with the other things they've farmed out. It's already happened with one property (I think it was Hulk or Daredevil) and Marvel wants Spiderman, X-Men, FF, Ghostrider, etc. back in the fold BADLY. However, Sony's not stupid and they see Spiderman for the cash cow that he is. If they make this movie by 2012, Spiderman cannot legally appear in other Marvel movies (no Avengers cameo, for example). That sucks, but it's what this all really about. To them, a crappy Spiderman movie is better than no Spiderman just for the movie rights and tie ins.
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http://comics.ign.com/articles/106/1060526p1.ht ml
please Sony, follow this rule. 1 villain per movie, establish other villains backstory's seamlessly into the plot so that when they pop up in future installments it isnt jarring. much as Dr. Connors appeared in the original series, establish Norman Osborn but dont turn him into the goblin right away, and for fuck's sake... stop killing off villains! take your cues from the 90's and current animated series. those were entertaining. -
marvel can get the movie rights back.....
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It has to be Jack Black every time, no?
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I agree with a lot of what you're saying except, the one villain per movie thing. Can work either way.
Actually, fantasies have worked often with multiple villains(X-men 1&2 had many; Batman Begins- Ras Al don't know how to spell it, Scarecrow; TDK- Joker/Two-Face; Star Wars- Emperor/Vader; Lord of the Rings- Sauron, Sauromon, Balroq etc etc etc). Just saying -
brilliant news on repeat views i have really begun to dislike the franchise some new blood and new stories will hopefully breathe life into it. Any ideas on the new peter? I know its obvious but anyone thrown shia leboufs name in the hat yet?
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... is for geeks to be studio stooges. As examplified by the geeks who piss only on Sam Raimi for the problems in Spider-Man 3 and not the studio who forced his hand agaisnt his will.Geeks are now the new Studios' assmonkeys.
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Not the first draft with Doctor Octopus but the second draft with Elektro and Sandman. It was absolutly brilliant. The first movie took a few ideas from it(like the organic webbing) but the story was so above and beyond what that moron that wrote the script for Raimi did. Just that shot of Peter going on on his first night in the city with his powers is such a brilliant alegory of growing up and feeling stronger with the stalking of a spider toward its prey. The whole thing was darker than what Raimi came up with yet not grim. It was just more real and more powerful. And the origin story of how he got super-powers made more sense than whatever "super-spiders" that was talked about in Spider-Man 1.
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...included. I still hate all the Spiderman movies, , I realize that alot of people like 2 of 'em, but i really believe that it was because MOST of us had been LONGING to see Spiderman on the big screen, and when it finally happened, you ACCEPTED them. Well, i can't, they were crap, what they did to Spidey is not right, i don't like 'em and i don't like how they bastardized Spideys entire story. They just about got everything wrong. If you are true fans, really look at it, they fucked Spidey, and i hate that above all else.
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Don't really have anything original to contribute, others have already phrased it well enough. Just hope this is all worth the shitstorm of controversy it's generating.
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Spidey 3 sucked on most levels and it's not just the emo Parker/Dance numbers, but let's not forget how rushed was Venom's appearance and that piss poor revelation that Flint Marko was responsible for Ben Parker's death.It's al;most like the mugger from Spi 1 was killed for nothing. too many plot arcs that didn't gel together much. If anything I felt was salvaged, it would go to Harry's revenge subplot.That scene in which he told Peter that he kissed MJ followed by that grin (while eating Pie) was memorable. peter walking away from the exploding pumpkin bomb was a bit of a cliche.Asi, let's agree to disagree but I'm calling it for what it is, S3 is nowhere as good as the first sequel. Maybe the studio heads pressured raimi to include Venom, but that does not absolve him from the other disapointing bits.
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It's happening. "Double Chin" Tobey is out like "Mega Chin" Jay. The suits ain't changing their minds. At least now the chance of am awesome Spiderman movie exists. It's like having a lottery ticket. Probably gonna lose, but it's fun to think about winning for a while. And the speculation keeps us geeks distracted from our sad, sad lives.
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http://tinyurl.com/yh7ty5a
This list is the who's who of actors that would make a TERRIBLE peter parker. Every sigle one on that list except maybe Jake Gyllenhal would be a disaster. -
gotta cast young
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Jan 13, 2010 7:23:50 PM CST
Did The studio insist on Sandman Killing Uncle Ben, Three extend
by jabman
I don't think so. Plus, Why is the moral of the movie "Don't take responsibility for your own actions, just blame your situation!"?!? That is the OPPOSITE of what Spider-man is about...Stupid Raimi fanboys Always whine that the studio ruined Spider-man 3, not their idol, who they think is incapable of a bad movie...(He's not, see "For love of the Game," the only bad Costner Basebal movie)Venom may have been handled poorly, but he was WAY better than Raimi's weepy Sandman... Sony wanted Black Cat in Spider Man- 4, Raimi wanted to turn Felicia Hardy into the Vultress! How fucking retarded is that? Yet you pathetic Raimi-worshipers would've lapped it up, along the rest of the steaming cinematic diarrhea he would've served up, starting with the opening sequence I'm sure he planned, where Spidey leads all of New York in a line-dance set to the Bee Gee's "Staying Alive," All the way to the climax of the film where MJ gives birth to a snaggletoothed, whiny, emo, disco dancing Spider-Baby. Then you'd call it the best movie ever and masturbate to it nightly. and yes, Spider-Man 3 IS worse than Batman & Robin. At least B&R, didn't pretend to be anything more than a campy mess, all three spider-Man films are so damn pretentious... in closing, if you think Spider-Man 3 being bad had NOTHING to do with Raimi, you are deeply deluded...
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Wouldn't surprise me if he's on the studio's short list. He's not the worst choice, better than that damn twilight kid, at least Efron can act... Spidey needs to be played by someone like Joseph Gordon Levvit; not JGL now, he's to old. think "Ten things I hate about you"--THATS Peter Parker...FACT: Maguire was never right for the part.
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And no, i would accept things they changed around like organic web shooters, EVEN sandman killing uncle ben (cinematic bullshit to make it more "personal" aka like in contless steven seagal movies where seagal somehow "worked" with the badguys he's fighting in the past), no, the most fucked up thing was casting toby "i have less personality than steven seagal" maguire and kristen "snaggeltooth" dunst.
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Jan 14, 2010 9:40:41 PM CST
Sometimes i'll think about this exchange in the future:
by takingscorpioscalls
"To people who seem to think that TPM was about taxation on trade routes or whatever.
Go fuck yourself.
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by on bixby, only on a talkback would a response to something like that would be that. You think something was off in this movie? GO EAT KANGAROO SHIT AND FACEFUCK A MOOSE ASSHOLES!!!!!!!!!!!!! -
Bulwer Lytton's novel The Coming Race (1871).
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