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LENO Exits Primetime In Five Weeks!! CARSON DALY Getting The Boot?? Another L&O Series?? Howie Replacing Hoff??
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“The Jay Leno Show’s” last day in primetime is Feb. 12, newish NBC Universal TV Entertainment chairman Jeff Gaspin told the Television Critics Association Sunday.
"I can confirm that starting Feb. 12, 'The Jay Leno Show' will no longer air at 10 p.m.," Gaspin told the assembled journalists. "While it was performing at acceptable levels, it did not meet our affiliates' needs. My goal right now is to keep Jay, Conan and Jimmy as part of our late-night lineup. As much as I'd like to tell you we have a done deal, we know that's not true."
“Leno” is expected to shrink to half an hour and move to 11:35 p.m. following the Feb. 28 conclusion of NBC’s Winter Olympics coverage. Execs want the hourlong edition “The Tonight Show With Conan O’Brien” to follow at 12:05 a.m., but that move is subject to ongoing negotiations with O’Brien’s representatives.
O'Brien's "Tonight Show" contract is said to run another four and a half years, with the host's salary something like $20 million annually. Word is putting "Leno" at 11:35 p.m. violates O'Brien's contract, and once Leno takes over the slot the network would be obligated to keep paying O'Brien for the next four and a half years even if O'Brien quits. NBC might be able to reduce its penalty by allowing Conan to work for Fox or another entity before his five-year "Tonight Show" contract is up.
Gaspin would not confirm that “Last Call With Carson Daly” would stay on the schedule if O’Brien and Fallon agree to the NBC plan.
It’ll be interesting to see how NBC fills its 10 p.m. timeslots between February and June. Lots more “Dateline”? Revive dormant reality shows like “Last Comic Standing”? Bring back “Friday Night Lights” and “Law & Order: Criminal Intent” early? Many repeats of “The Office” and “Law & Order SVU,” the network’s top-rated scripted series? (There’s much to suggest repeats of these shows would perform better than new episodes of “Leno.”)
Other NBC news:
* "Day One" has been whittled down to one day. The alien-invastion sci-fi series that became a miniseries is now just a two-hour TV-movie that will also serve as a pilot.
* Despite NBC entertainment exec Angela Bromstead's late-2009 comments that suggested the original "Law & Order" would be back for a 21st season, she indicated Sunday that a 21st season for the series was not yet a lock.
* NBC is developing a 7th “Law & Order” spin-off, this one set in Los Angeles. (Prior spin-offs include “Law & Order: Special Victims Unit,” “Law & Order: Criminal Intent,” “Law & Order: Trial By Jury,” “Conviction,” ITV’s “Law & Order: UK” and reality show “Crime & Punishment.”)
* Howie Mandel will replace departing David Hasselhoff as judge on “America’s Got Talent” this summer.
* Reality show “The Marriage Ref,” originally set to launch March 14, will instead premiere after the Olympics closing ceremonies, a first.
* Oscar-winner Kathy Bates ("Misery," "Titanic," "Six Feet Under") will play the new big boss at Dunder Mifflin, seemingly violating the series' rule about not using well-known actors. And Pam Beasley unleashes Jim Halpert's spawn upon the world in March.
* NBC is developing a conspiracy thriller called "The Event." It was created by a fellow who previously wrote for "The 4400" and "Medium," which makes me wonder if "Event" is secretly a stealth sci-fi concept like "Lost."
* Execs confirmed J.J. Abrams will direct his script for NBC's secret-agent pilot "Undercovers."
Find James Hibberd’s Hollywood Reporter report on the session here.
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shit, Leno.
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NBC are morons. Jay Leno should get lost. What a mess.
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Best TV of 2009
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Let the early bird special crowd have their lame Leno funny. Hopefully, the 12.05 move will mean Conan can stop watering down his show now.
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Faaaaaaaaaaiiiiil.
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still won't save them. They need DRAMAS!
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why not re-run some of your USA properties during the empty time slots? Burn Notice would rock in Primetime. Hell, I would start BSG from season 1 and just run them 5 days a week until the end.
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I bet it would get surprisingly good ratings if they reran it 1 or 2 nights a week. Gives a lot of the non-scifi crowd a chance to discover what they missed on its original run. And it would probably boost DVD sales too.
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Did I call this or what?!?!?!
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Kissing his guests' ass slavishly and thrilling the over 40 crowd with his completely toothless brand of comedy. Yessiree, the man America falls asleep to.
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hopefully Community is safe for a 2nd season. I think NBC ran a handfull of episodes of BSG in prime time a few years back and it got terrible ratings.
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If both men take NBC's deal, Leno just gets a pathetic half hour show where he's basically "opening" for Conan's Tonight Show. I can't see him doing a lot with a measly 30 minutes (which is really just 22 minutes if you discount the commercials). He'll barely have room for a monologue and interviewing one guest. No more stupid comedy bits like Headlines or Jaywalking, that's for sure. I may have to tune in for a couple episode just to laugh at how rushed the whole production is when crammed into 22 minutes of airtime.
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If NBC was too stupid to run BSG on NBC during the writer's strike, there's no way they'll start now.
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Now that they need to fill more timeslots, they may be more open to keeping it going for awhile longer. This season has been the strongest since season 1.
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L.O. in L.A. F.T.W.
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Like The A-Team, Knight Rider, Riptide, Miami Vice. Even repeats of those shows would do better than Leno.
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Not that I ever liked his show but it's gone from being a talk show to short interviews at press junkets and crappy promotional parties and product launches.
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I find that really interesting, actually. Just that NBC did the math, saw the sub-par numbers they needed to turn a profit, were okay with it, but the local stations were the ones who eventually threw out Leno. Wow. Power to the little guy, eh?
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Run Leno at 10 pm on the weekends. It's not like old people do anything on the weekends anyways, so he'll still get his usual ratings. Conan keeps 11:35 Mon-Fri., Jay is buried in the weekends. Problem solved!
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That's what it sounds like.
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No clues, no hints, no indications he may go there, but Fox has tried for 2 solid decades to get a late night show going with some regularity so I get a weird sense Conan may be sick of the shit and bail to a different network. However, in the end, I believe Conan will be a good little NBC boy and stay with "Tonight Show" at 12 AM, but even though the late-night prestige is at 11:30 PM. Well, at least less people will probably watch Jimmy Fallon now. So that's a bonus. Basically, this all boils down to Leno having such an iron-clad contract when he moved to 10 PM that they had nowhere else to put him except back at 11:30.
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got it on in the background, getting some reading done
Just can't seem to give a shit about the story or chars since it all boils down to *God Did It* -
Day One (2010-2010)) Never forget.
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I'm pretty sure one of the big networks licensed Dexter to air in primetime when the writers strike killed their content. Seemed like a smart idea to me, and probably helped Showtime get new customers.
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the bell tolls for thee...
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I guess the "glass-half full" is that Conan is no longer up against Colbert.
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no matter how many charming anecdotes you here.
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He could (and SHOULD) have retired with dignity back in May when he ended his Tonight Show, but this whole "Jay Leno Show" and the recent fiasco of him trying to steal back the show from Conan is all he'll really be remembered for now. He's basically shed his "good guy" disguise and shown the true face that was portrayed years ago in The Late Shift.
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Please move Chuck to Monday at 10. The 8 or 9 slot is death and its a great show.
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This would have been a great weekend for some cable channel to air it again just to refresh everyone's memories of the original Letterman/Leno fight. I haven't seen that movie in years and suddenly have a desire to see it again because of this new mess.
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The 12:05 for Conan wasn't a brand new idea. I read that his contract says that NBC could not give him a show any later than 12:05. In other words, not back to his old time slot. These two guys' contracts have to be the most effed up major hollywood contracts around. Very strange goings on.
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Just kidding. However, I am surprised the show isn't being mentioned by NBC. Didn't it at least get decent ratings?
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Both were short-lived fads that the viewing public eventually lost interest in, so now they are regulated to the pre-primetime slots on most affiliate markets.
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Jan 10, 2010 9:41:48 PM CST
Carson Daly will finally have to go out and get a real job
by yackbacker
Sorry, pal, the gravy train has come to an end. Get outta here!
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The latest tmz article on the leno/conan thin mentions that NBC chairman Jeff gaspin added tht he wants to move conan and Jimmy back a full hour to 12:35/1:35 to have things go back the way they were. honestly, whether you like conan or not, that's kind of a dick thing to say and if I was conan I'd pobably tell them to go fuck themselves because of that and sit out the remainder of the contract do they'd pay me 80 million for doing nothing out of spite. And I'd sure as he'll be talkin about what a fucking asshole leno is.
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They keep ramming it down our throats no matter how much we beg them not to.
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Jan 10, 2010 10:08:38 PM CST
KATHY BATES IN "THE OFFICE"!!!!
by isleptwithkathybatesandallthatigotwasthi
I'M SO VERY HAPPY!
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yeah, some cable shows would be good
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Jan 10, 2010 10:35:57 PM CST
How did Leno fail? He exceeded the numbers they wanted
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and STILL got better numbers than Letterman and Conan combined...
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Go away Leno, you unfunny right wing hack
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Sit on his snow white ass for 4 years and make 80 million. Then He should come back and rock late night.
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Leno failed because his ratings were lower than what used to be in his place which made the affiliates mad because they were losing the lead in to their 10/11:00 news programs and were losing money on advertising. A number of affiliates were threatening to drop Leno's show and replace it with something else.
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Leno was doing fine for what the network heads wanted: a decent profit on small production investment and filling a slot 5 days a week (four fewer shows to develop & promote). But that was for the network. The local affiliates were likely very unhappy. They make most of their advertising money on local programming like the nightly 11 o'clock news. Leno was KILLING them. Major markets saw their audiences dropping 35% to 50%. They were complaining to the network about it and probably were threatening not to run Leno, maybe replace him with Law&Order reruns to boost their local news. Or maybe run the news at 10, Leno at 10:30, then Conan, etc. Maybe they were demanding money to make up for lost revenue. Getting late night numbers in prime time is not a great achievement because the late night audience is smaller, and is different demographically, too.
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Seems like the Leno death watch has been in full effect since his show started. I don't find the dude funny, but Jesus, some people on this board seem to delight in his destruction.
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refresh before i post a redundant message. Funketeer was more concise.
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Yeah, me neither.
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But yeah, they should just be canceling Leno. He's gotta be sucking some serious hog on NBC execs
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The only times I'll watch Jimmy if he has guests I like, like Boyz II Men (who did an imo awesome cover of Goo Goo Dolls' Iris). Otherwise I think he's pretty weak, what with his stupid contests between audience members, dressing in drag as a "real housewife." Once skit that was annoying yet cool was when he went underneath the audience seating and there was a little club underneath where puffy was holding a party. It was cool to see underneath the audience seating, but annoying because it had puffy. Anyway I've been a big fan of Conan since the late 90s, I was overjoyed when I heard he was taking over the Tonight Show, and I hope he stays there (at it's regular 11:35 time) and doesnt go to fox.
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Would I delight in Leno's destruction?
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Wasn't it supposed to be back in February?
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I don't know anyone who thought having a "late night" show at 10 (9 central) was a good idea.Although, I figured it would only last around four months....
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Wow, if only all jobs were like this...you mess up and are rewarded for your failures...this is why NBC will continue to be the last place network. I hope Conan moves on, is uber successful, and makes Leno eat shit.
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It's in the can and would make a great 10pm show.
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At this point, why the fuck not? Everyone's well has been poisoned.
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Jay Leno's 'Tonight Show' posted ratings that were twice as high as Conan's 'Tonight Show'.
Conan isn't leaving for Fox.
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Jan 11, 2010 12:50:34 AM CST
Triumph should report unknowingly from the last "Jay leno show"
by joker40
Subject pretty much says it..Triumph the insult comic..should make a report, unknown to Jay leno from the last Jay leno show at 10..and broadcast the report on conan...I would ad in a "in the year 3000" Joke but I wont...Peace
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AS for competing against letterman and leno...They have good show's YESSS???...."FOR ME TO POOP ON"
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I'll bet an hour of burning log would get better ratings than Leno ever could. And who doesn't like staring at a fire?
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Blame Leno for Conan's lower ratings. He was actually doing pretty well until Leno started sucking all of the viewers out of almost all of NBC's shows.
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NBC is a sinking ship and they clearly don't deserve him. Fox at 11 would kick major ass.
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Conan would probably be at 11 and probably wouldn't even go head to head. And Britney Spears is really popular too, that doesn't make her good. Fuck Jay Leno. He could get three times the ratings, the only people that give a shit about ratings are the dumb fucks that run the networks. Smart people prefer Conan, period. Old ass people that think the Reader's Digest funny pages are the funniest thing since Jay Leno prefer Jay Leno.
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Nice to see this blow up in the face of the greedy NBC pricks while simultaneously tearing down Leno's nice-guy facade to expose the shady bastard that he truly is. These two deserve each other. Give that self-serving weasel his precious Tonight Show gig back and let Conan go to Fox. At the very least NBC owes O'Brien that for screwing him so hard. I truly hope Conan doesn't puss out, "take one for the team", and settle for following Leno yet again. If he does he's no better than a pussywhipped fool that allows his mate to repeatedly abuse him over and over again.
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NBC is softening the blow by saying the "affiliates" who are unhappy. Yes it's true that the local news affiliates all suffered because of Leno. But NBC was soon to become the 5th place network if things kept the way they were going and that was something they couldn't take in any shape or form. Jay is damaged goods and will never get the ratings he had before in late-night, he belongs in the Chevy Chase Theater hanging from the rafters with Magic Johnson, Arsenio Hall, Joan Rivers, David Brenner and every other washed-up late-night talk show has-been. Letterman must be laughing so hard he's peeing in his World-Wide Pants. Can't wait to hear Howard ridicule Jay and Stuttering John on Monday.
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I can't believe that NBC didn't have a plan when their retarded Leno experiment failed. because of course its going to fail. 3 hours of late night is too much, late night doesn't start at 10 and leno just isn't interesting enough to keep your attention. They really should fly BCC's Graham Norton out to NYC and show us stupid yanks what interesting, ridiculous, politically incorrect, real, edgy television is like.
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Don't mind Conan later, where the comedy can be edgier. Drop Leno for talk. Placate him a car show on the weekend. Retire Dave, replace with Ferguson.
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I like him too, but he's fine right where he is, doing The Soup and especially Community. He'd probably have to give up acting on Community if he got a 5-night/week talk show anyway.
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Probably are the same ones who thought Craig Kilborn would be awesome following David Letterman. McHale is just one of NINE current writers on "The Soup" so unless he can bring all of them with him he shouldn't (and won't) be moving anywhere.
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McHale is funny, but I'm sure a lot of it has to do with good writers. Giving him a talkshow is like when Greg Kinnear got a talkshow back in the 90s. He was funny on Talk Soup too, but it didn't transition well as a regular talk show. I doubt McHale could do better. Like I said before, he's fine right where he is doing The Soup and Community.
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Jan 11, 2010 3:35:45 AM CST
I say this is a publicity stunt, but here's what'll happen
by ricarleite2
Conan will say "fine" to all this, but he will: a) still get his millions, b) do a little more raunchier material and poke fun at NBC, knowing they can't do shit, c) get a gazillion dollars when the leno shit is bumped to later due to sports (he gets a lot of cash if the show starts a second after 12:05), and finally d) After his contract is over, he replaces Letterman on CBS - he should be retiring by then.
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There's no way this was planned from the start. It's resulted a LOT of bad press for the network, made them an embarassment among all the other networks, and potentially lost them a lot of money. There's no way the boneheads running that network were secretly brilliant masterminds who came up with a stunt to spin this to their advantage. It was a dumb idea from the start and has sunk the network even lower than it already was a year ago.
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you have morons running a multi-billion dollar enterprise.As for running the USA primetime shows on NBC, they already tried with Monk, and it didn't work out. Higher standards for broadcast standards. USA is one of the few bright spots for NBCUni as well, and they don't want to fuck it up.And say what you will about Carson Daly [and his demo], but at least he's got a sense of humor, judging by his cameo on Kimmel.
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Leno at 10pm was such an astonishing disaster of an idea before it even debuted. Epic fail. And did THE OFFICE have some rule about not using well-known actors? Because that show has jumped the shark so thoroughly by now, who really cares?
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Look, I love Los Angeles. I was born and raised in Hollywood. But this town is the antithesis of the Law & Order series, and LA has seen more than its fair share of cop and lawyer shows, going back beyond Dragnet and Perry fuckin' Mason. (By the by, how the fuck did Ham Burger keep his job as ADA with so many losses to a lawyer who never once actually did any lawyering in the show but always pulled a hail-mary detective gag out of his ass at the last minute instead?) Don't cancel Law & Order, it's pretty good right now, the cast is gelling after too many shakeups the last few years, and the plot lines and interactions are good between both sides, they just need better writers to avoid the obvious L&O twist. You go back to L&O's earliest days and there were straight up cases all the time, some weren't even murder or rape. As for Leno, he's a cunt and if NBC's addiction to his shitty material means blowing Conan off the schedule, they are even stupider than they look right now. Conan needs to be on NBC, it's all they have worth a damn in late night at this point, and I'm counting SNL as "not worth a damn in late night" as its writers keep getting lazier and lazier. Carson Daly and Jimmy Fallon can buttfuck the boozehound crowd fight, nobody wants those shit timeslots, but Carson Daly is at least less of a fuckface about the way he interviews people. Seems like NBC keeps hitching its wagon to the worst talent they can find, then letting them pull that wagon into ravines. Nobody wants musty old leftover reality shows or Dateline NBC. We've all seen enough Chris Hanson intimidating kiddie rapists to last a lifetime. Put some goddamned scripted entertainment on the air again, and if you can't tell the good from the bad, QUIT YOUR FUCKING JOB YOU STUPID ASSHOLE! Sick of these network execs canceling stuff with potential and airing shit that never should have wasted audiences' time simply because they can't tell the gold from the turds. And how clever, a miniseries about an alien invasion, haven't seen that in a few weeks. When did NBC turn into Fox? Fox used to be the one that stole other networks' ideas for a quick buck. And who the fuck thinks Howie will be able to replace Hasslehoff? Howie is a hyper nut who is funny to watch in very short bursts but has no lasting personality. Bottom line: NBC better get their shit together before they go the way of the Dumont Network, which it rapidly seems like they're aiming for.
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seriously unless you have the 18-24 yr old, college frat boy mentality and memory loss so you think his one note comedy is fresh...how does ANYBODY find him funny for more than 5 mins???
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about how to run a network! Get a real job you turds!...oh wait, the way things are going, you'll probably have to, sooner rather than later. But do yourself a favor, kick the crack habit beofre you go & apply for the new job, it's generally frowned on outside of La-La Land.
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When Jay returns to 1135, and unless he gets the whole hour back, his show will be monologue, sketch-jay walking or headlines, and MAYBE one guest and thats it who needs do to a full hour? Jays Tonight Show was at its best for the first 1/2 hour anyway....
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day one = dead. give nbc credit for killing it before its broadcast. pure fox-style move there.
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Fuck Leno and fuck NBC. You can both disappear off the face of the Earth and no one will miss you.
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I find it fun that their efforts to be frugal have landed them in a position where they have to pay for 2 expensive late night shows to go up against a single Letterman. Conan's proposed time-slot sucks, as Leno's half-hour will use up a huge chunk of the casual audience that will turn off the TV and go to sleep at midnight, rather than start over with a whole new show that late. Leno gets to ride the nightly news lead in to "success", while Conan will be considered unable to compete with his diminished follow-up audience.
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Probably, and NBC will be too stupid to capitalize on the one good thing they made, even after raping it and leaving it for dead with only a two-hour movie. If they cut it down from 4 to 2 hours, I can't imagine it making any god damn sense. Man NBC sucks. Soooo clueless. And no one cares about Leno or wants to follow him to a new slot. He's NOT THAT BIG OF A DEAL. Just let him go.
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Seinfeld, who was Leno's first 10 p.m. guest, said he didn't think
O'Brien had reason to be upset.
"I don't think anyone's preventing people from watching Conan,"
Seinfeld said. "I don't think anyone has done anything to Conan. There
are no rules in show business."
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Conan wasn't as funny on the Tonight Show. You could tell he was watering it down in a lame attempt to try and please the over 40 crowd. That crowd just isn't who he appeals to. It's better when he's edgier.
Now he can move to Fox, start at 11, go back to the being the Conan that appeals to the TV demographic that matters (younger audiences) and do so at a time that lets some of his older fans who are now in their late 20's and early 30's watch him again.
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Saw in this mornings paper.
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... that Conan HAS spoken to Fox. I think Conan on that network will spell success. As someone mentioned here (or in the last late night TB), he'll have a 35 min headstart on Letterman and Leno, he'll likely bring better ratings to that slot than the syndicated programming local affiliates are running then, and he'll be able to be edgier ala classic Conan. Even edgier on Fox in fact. And I love Seinfeld, but that was a dick comment on his part. Yes, Seinfeld, there was someone preventing people from watching Conan, as well as NBC primetime -- and he's your friend, Jay. I thought Seinfeld knew how television worked; people weren't watching The Leno Show, so they weren't tuning into the local affilliates' news, so they weren't there for Conan. Some of it is Conan's fault -- he presented a watered down version of Late Night that in the beginning was still too quirky for the old geezer demographic -- and some of it was fate's; the Palin-Letterman blowup really stuck it to Conan, followed almost immediately by the Letterman sex scandal. I like the idea of Conan on Fox. It's a network that has, more than any other network, put on the most forward thinking and landscape-altering programming of the 21st century, from American Idol (love it or hate it, as I do, it's still huge), 24, House, and, in the '90s, The Simpsons and X-Files. Fox is long overdue for a late night talk/comedy show. Keep it in L.A., call it something simple like "Conan Tonight," and bring on the Pimp Bot 5000 and Masturbating Bear!
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"If I were you and they treated me that way, I'd walk"
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Jan 11, 2010 9:50:55 AM CST
NBC treats Conan like red headed step-child! More at 11!
by dreadlock holmes
Holy shit.
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He lost his mojo when he moved to LA.
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DUDES. New york post, wall street journal all this is newscorp aka: Fox. so be careful when reading things they publish.
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Now's your chance. Belize is lovely this time of the rest of your life. Raise your kids. Take up scuba-diving. Take up reading paperbacks on the beach. Write a novel. Be the ball, Conan. Be the ball.
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Only if Fox can afford to give him support. Has anyone seen The Wanda Sykes Show? It looks like a cheaper version of the Chelsea Handler show if thats possible.
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David Hasselhoff is leaving America's Got Talent! Damn it to hell. It's time to reboot the show.
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Something's gotta give
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I think The Wanda Sykes Show was intended as a short term investment, a quickie replacement to fill the gap left by the horrible Spike Ferenstein (sp?) Show and Mad TV. Can you think of any other Wanda-lead shows that haven't failed almost immediately? Fox knows the weight that Conan would bring to a late night endeavor, so they'd undoubtedly be willing to throw money and effort behind him.
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The assumption being made by everyone is that NBC has to fill three hours a night with programing.
Why?
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At 10pm. That's the one NBC show that has been awesome in the past few years! Why don't you take a seat?
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or Fox or wherever. No one will watch Jay Leno, just let him go.
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"starting Feb. 12, 'The Jay Leno Show' will no longer air at 10 p.m.,"Which is it? Is his last show Feb. 12, or is the first night he's not on Feb. 12?
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"Journeyman", Season 2
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They are not going to repeat shows willy nilly. Even if they get better ratings, the costs involved in repeating a scripted show are HUGE. All the actors, writers, director, etc. get paid every time it airs. Expect more reality shows.
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Is Conan doing that bad that NBC is trying to keep Leno? I thought Leno was retiring. I guess NBC didn't want to lose him just in case he got the itch to host something again. I truly hate Leno's show. Conan at least keeps me laughing with his first half of the show.
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http://www.thrfeed.com/2010/01/patton-oswalt-on-leno-and-conan-shakeup-audio.html
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"All the actors, writers, director, etc. get paid every time it airs. Expect more reality shows."
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Won't Conan's numbers still be lower since the NBC thinking behind this is that Jay's viewers aren't watching Conan. How is this going to change unless they lose the ability to change their channels.
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...the Tonight Show is the Tomorrow Show... sweet! I love shows bout time travel!
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True, however the "actors" are the out-of-work type who will take minimum wage just to get on TV. As for the "writers" they are actually the producers and the editors, who take the footage they have and craft the performances and stories they want to show. Reality TV may not be real, but it's still less expensive than "scripted" shows (although I still contend that Survivor & The Amazing Race, due to location shooting and logistical support, are right up there, in terms of production costs, with your average courtroom or cop show).
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reading to ward off Xenu's negative energies.
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...REAL WORLD... nothin on that show is fake, maybe highly exaggerated, but compared to the other pseudoreality shows, its real...but man, they makin DC look borin! I wanna see them go down to southeas, that would make an interestin ep
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Did anybody watch Jay before? I've always assumed he'd just held on to the older Johnny Carson crowd. When I do watch late night TV it's Dave and Craig. This news means nothing to my world. From what I've seen of Conan he can be funny, but later was probably better for him. Or, as mentioned, Fox, where he can do whatever he wants.
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...are why I only watch Survivor in that realm.
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As Big Jim says, the editors and producers form those shows. Mostly the editors. And while editors get paid around $4000.00 a week for reality, that is much cheaper than writers, actors, and directors who get residuals every time a show re airs. That is why you are seeing more reality and less repeats, even of popular shows.
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That's a great idea!
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Jan 11, 2010 2:40:48 PM CST
Nathan Fillion to Replace Jay Leno, Conan and David Letterman
by rene_belloq_12inch_figure
by AsimovLives
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Letterman was building his show based on Carson's. Conan was building his show based on the old Letterman. So there's your continuity from Carson. Leno is just fucking Leno, got himself into this shit and fucked up things, like this weird emo boyfriend your 15 year old daughter brings in for Thanksgiving one day, and he's totally unaware of how awkward the whole thing is.
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This guy is the biggest vanilla, no-talent hack I have ever seen. He makes Byron Allen look like Johnny Carson.
Seriously...vapid, unfunny, generic and as shallow as a mountain stream. I will watch the insufferably bad Jimmy Falon show 24/7 in lieux of this clown.
Who among you thinks Carson Daly has talent? If you do, my guess is yuo probably have a Nickleback CD in your player/iPod too. -
Some of them even have disclaimers that say something about the story was not scripted and the outcome was not decided upon ahead of time, but what the viewer sees has been manipulated through editing (which makes you think those editors should be getting paid more). It's just fine print, so nobody reads it.
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That Michael Scott, will wake up one day, and get his knees, smashed with a sledge hammer?
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Fuck Jay. Roll out the red carpet for Conan, Fox. You're about to get your first successful late night talk show.
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Hit enter to quick. People here are saying that they can't change the damn channel when the news comes on. Leno never affected my news viewing. I will watch a lot of shows on CBS at ten but despise our local CBS news so I switch to NBC. If news needs a lead in or Conan then they fail on their own. You want to watch Conan then do so. Rating say you haven't been but now you are saying if he is on FOX you will. Tell us another fairy tale why don't you.
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...he commanded the studio audience to "Stop laughing!"
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My favorite subject title, yet.
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Well, our parents, still rule the world. They refuse to retire.
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...and, in a lesser sense, 30 Rock, I'd never turn on NBC EVER. What they're doing to Conan is criminal, and all in service of that fat old hack Leno. Jesus. As someone here said, I think, don't they realize that Leno's audience of olds will die off at an alarming rate year by year and then what the hell are they going to do? Ask Conan back? I hope he beats it out of there ASAP, but not before he squeezes all the money he can get out of those NBC assholes.
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Suck, suck, suck.
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Of course he's going to take his side. But to give Seinfeld HIS due, when he retired, HE RETIRED. He does stand up, he made a cartoon, he was on Larry David, but other than that he sits home and counts his cars and his dosh, which is what Leno should have done had he had even one ounce of class, grace or dignity. BUT NO. He's so fucking needy and weird he REFUSES TO GO AWAY.
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WTF.... Why are they fucking with The Tonight Show legacy just to satisfy Leno's ego? I don't get it.
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That guy is a moron. His comedy is so child like and dated at the same time.
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And when i said parents i assumed people here are in their 30's.
To be fair. Leno doesn't need the dough. Im betting he would make more from his website.
Imagine the scratch he pulls from that.
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"The Tonight Show" is his now. If NBC wants to rethink this it is time to GO. What would Triumph say to all of this? Good luck, Sir.
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I agree that no matter how this goes down, the Tonight Show starting at 12:05 is no longer the Tonight Show. Its the little things like this that in the long run are actually a big deal to fans. 11:30 is the cherished time slot and to cheapen it is a big deal.
Of course if Conan leaves, then it's back to the Tonight Show with Jay Leno, at 11:30.
Conan deserves better. I hope he leaves Fox. He is the Carson of my generation (33) and I'll follow him to a new network.
Now instead of Conan following in the legacy of Carson and Letterman and Jay Leno, he can start a new legacy of his own, from scratch.
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WTF are they doing? I agree, starting it at 12:05 after a half hour "Jay Leno" show is a joke. What a horrible mess this is. I bet they're just hoping Conan or Fallon quits.
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Kurt Russel as the host.
Imagine the laughing.
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Why not bring back all the shows they cancelled to put Leno on in the First Place starting with Life?
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BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE GERMS!!!!
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He's getting what HE WANTED. This phony bullshit disdain for the network is just disgusting on Leno's part. He never wanted to leave late night and said in an interview he wanted his old slot back. He got that, and at the expense of an alleged "friend." If Leno treats his friends this way, maybe it's a good thing he never had kids -- they would have grown up under the crushing ego of that twisted fuck and written Daddy Dearest tell-alls. And the more I think about Seinfeld, the more I see what a sellout fuck he's become. Of course he's sticking up for NBC and Leno (he in effect laid all blame for this shit on Conan) -- the network gave him a shitty reality show (The Marriage Ref). He's just sucking corporate dick to shill his wife's shitty ideas. Jerry and Jay have something in common: Their initial successes were cemented on the shoulders of better men (Larry David and Johnny Carson, respectively), and without the coattails of those men they have become shit. Think about it, the most entertaining thing Jerry has done in 10 years was only because Larry David brought him on Curb this season. Before that, the last news Jerry made was defending his wife's cookbook, the idea for which she stole from another person.
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I guess stealing from people is all the Seinfelds do these days.
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Jerry steals people's wives, his wife steals people's ideas, and Jay steals people's shows. So it isn't surprising that Jerry and Jay are best friends.
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Why? So they could have seven nights of Dateline and Seven nights of Law & Order? Fuck them! Who was that one bitch from SVU going on and on about "Oh we're a 9PM show and we work much better there, oh, cock! Schlurp schlurp schlurp..." Shut up and act, bitch. You're still getting paid and people will swallow the worst fucking garbage as long as it's titles Law & Order so don't worry and stop fucking talking. Seriously, five nights of Leno in the evening, so what? Why cancel him then? Why not push up his time to 8/7 and call it the fucking Evening Show? Shit, works for me. Law & Order goes back to 10/9 and Tina Fey's ratings stay nice and high. But of course this idea is far to, what's the word...ah, yes, reasonable for NBC to consider. Fucking company is run by retarded howler monkeys apparently. Or how about this, Jay, Conan and Jimmy all resign. Bad ass! I mean they shouldn't stand for this kinda disgusting treatment on NBC's part. Really, just fucking walk away. Leave NBC with their cock in their hand. Seriously, staying would only validate the shit thinking that NBC management is prone to. Walk away with some integrity guys, there's more money to be made elsewhere. I've been saying Fox needs a 3rd hour of programming, let Jay do 10/9 there and Conan can do 11:30/10:30 after that. Perfect! (Fallon, on the other hand, can go suck in private.) Really, NBC just sucks. Don't encourage more of it.
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But I get the feeling it's kind of forced. He'll stay at NBC and just milk it for a bit.
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http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/01/12/conan-obrien-says-he-wont-do-tonight-show-following-leno/?hp ..... remove spaces
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If anyone should quit it's Leno. Leno is a selfish piece of shit. Conan's statement is right on.
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Only people over 60 and those with no sense of humor whatsoever enjoy Leno. Glad to see Conan's not rolling over while NBC and Leno make their dick moves.
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You can bet that Fox will pick up Conan. Question is, does he get a late night show on the Fox affiliate stations (ala the SIMPSON) or over on the Fox News Channel do they cancel RED EYE as their late night talk show and let Conan take over there...
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