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It was announced today that the STAR TREK sequel will come out before the Mayan calendar expires!

Published at: Jan. 9, 2010, 2:13 p.m. CST

Hey folks, Harry here with a wonderful factoid... You see, the Untitled STAR TREK sequel is scheduled to be released June 29th, 2012. Thank God! I don't know about you, but I very much want to see one last trek into JJ's special brand of STAR TREK. Now, it is also true that JJ is not officially helming this one, at least that hasn't been formally announced or decided yet. That they have a date, most likely, probably, could maybe mean they have a notion now of what they're going to attempt to make. But that's if you believe one needs to know what they're shooting, if it is up to snuff, etc - PRIOR to having a date put out there. That's the spectacular year of Pixar's NEWT, Disney's KING OF THE ELVES, the alleged 4th PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN, CARS 2, The second film of the HOBBIT stuff they're doing in New Zealand, ANT-MAN possibly, GHOSTBUSTERS 3, HEAVY METAL, and on and on and on... Some of those are dreams, like IRON MAN 3, but then JOHN CARTER OF MARS also hits. And will we get AVATWO before the Mayans press boom on that Earth-Busting Obsidian Doomsday Bomb! But at the very least, it is being planned that there will be 1 last STAR TREK before the end of everything!

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  • Jan. 8, 2010, 11:10 p.m. CST

    Cool

    by BurnedNotice_Dude

  • Jan. 8, 2010, 11:13 p.m. CST

    3 years between movies

    by SnootyBoots

    Same number of years the original series was on the air. I'm one of those who didn't care so much for the movie. Hopefully, those years will give them time to produce a better product.

  • Jan. 8, 2010, 11:16 p.m. CST

    Nice!

    by shutupfanboy

    Well, let the Khan casting rumors start. Hopefully, he will cameo at the end while we get a full blown Klingon War with maybe Chang.

  • Jan. 8, 2010, 11:17 p.m. CST

    The Mayan calendar doesn't expire

    by JT Kirk

    It's just a rollover to the next section of calendar. "Let's all shit our pants because February gave way to March!" Morons. Probably the same ones who thought JJ Trek was a good movie.

  • Jan. 8, 2010, 11:17 p.m. CST

    On December 25th, 2012

    by Superponte

    We will all wake up and realize the mayans were full of shit. Looking forward to Trek 2 too!

  • Jan. 8, 2010, 11:17 p.m. CST

    The Mayan calendar is cyclical, the world will begin

    by PoutineForEveryone

    again. Emmerich on the other hand...

  • Jan. 8, 2010, 11:17 p.m. CST

    thought it was june 29th not may 29th

    by StonedWriter88

    and i hate 2012 i dont wanna die fuck you god and mayans

  • Jan. 8, 2010, 11:19 p.m. CST

    DON'T FORGET "THE AVENGERS"!!!

    by BILLY_BOOMSTICK

    It's slated for a May 4, 2012 release as of now!!!

  • Jan. 8, 2010, 11:19 p.m. CST

    Imagine how old this 2012 stuff will get by Dec 31, 2012...

    by BurnHollywood

    At least when people do the "See ya next year!" gag on New Year's Eve, it's over in a few hours...this Mayan crap is going to be interminable...

  • Jan. 8, 2010, 11:21 p.m. CST

    On the strike of midnight 2012 all Evangelicals rise up

    by PoutineForEveryone

    into heaven where each and everyone will be ass raped by God. He's been planning it since forever.

  • Jan. 8, 2010, 11:22 p.m. CST

    JJ Abrams

    by Dharma4

    For the win...rant all y'all want but he made Star Trek happen. Wanna see him take on a sequel

  • Jan. 8, 2010, 11:22 p.m. CST

    The date is actually Dec. 21st 2012

    by DavidDunn

    ...so make that the day to pay back all your loans.

  • Jan. 8, 2010, 11:23 p.m. CST

    Will BIG LOB come out before the mayan calendar expires?

    by GibsonUSA Returns

  • Jan. 8, 2010, 11:24 p.m. CST

    Kirk Cameron is God BTW

    by PoutineForEveryone

  • Jan. 8, 2010, 11:24 p.m. CST

    What Assimov_lives has to say on this:

    by beane2099

    Jar Jar Abrams... homosexual ineuendo...whole lotta misused explatives...more homosexual inuendo...Jar Jar Abrams (said again to drive the point home about how terrible he is)...and still more homosexual inuendo. There you go. And, personally I'm looking forward to Trek 2.

  • Jan. 8, 2010, 11:31 p.m. CST

    this is awesome news, also be sure to check this out

    by movieman8

    Good for JJ. Can't wait to see this one on the big screen...maybe 3-D? That would add a whole new layer...George Lucas better hurry up on that new star wars trilogy..or better yet hand the keys to new blood like JJ!!! Also have any of you seen the trailer for "Revenge" it's on whatisyourrevenge . com a friend told me to check it out and that looks pretty bad ass...hopefully it'll be out before the world ends in 2012! AH! Good day to you all!

  • Jan. 8, 2010, 11:45 p.m. CST

    movieman8

    by BurnHollywood

    "George Lucas better hurry up on that new star wars trilogy"<p> I see we have another Supershadow victim on the scene.<p> Welcome, friend, and try not to believe a single thing that meatball says. There's no new STAR WARS trilogy.

  • Jan. 8, 2010, 11:48 p.m. CST

    Glad to know it's actually going to happen.

    by anonymoose

    Loved the first one. I can't wait to see where this goes.

  • Jan. 8, 2010, 11:50 p.m. CST

    bring on the klingon

    by DarthBlart

  • Jan. 8, 2010, 11:51 p.m. CST

    Christopher Walken would make an excellent Khan

    by PoutineForEveryone

  • Jan. 8, 2010, 11:52 p.m. CST

    2 years out

    by Monkey Man Zero

    Shouldn't you already be praising the film or at least pimping the DVD?

  • Jan. 8, 2010, 11:53 p.m. CST

    If either Orci OR Kurtzman leaves, they can advertise...

    by BurnHollywood

    ..."50% LESS PLOT HOLES!"<p> That'd be something.<p> Seriously, it's fucking hilarious to see how badly TREK got served by AVATAR...can't wait for the Oscars announcements so this overrated turdfest can loom in its shadow there, too.

  • Jan. 8, 2010, 11:54 p.m. CST

    Umm....

    by midgarddragon

    Newt and Cars 2 are both 2011.

  • Jan. 8, 2010, 11:54 p.m. CST

    "Lurk" not "loom"...

    by BurnHollywood

    ...AVATAR's the one that's loomin'.<p> JJ who?

  • Jan. 8, 2010, 11:58 p.m. CST

    Pirates 4???

    by jbird7171

    I thought that just took Thor's old release date in May 2011?

  • Jan. 8, 2010, 11:58 p.m. CST

    2nd unit already shooting lens flares

    by Monkey Man Zero

    JJ has an army of cameras pointed at the sun, planning a 20 minute lens flare to rival the Motion Picture's Enterprise reveal shot.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 12:03 a.m. CST

    Too much wrong information

    by Jaboc

    I rarely pipe in, but I have to add that there is way too much wrong info in this news item. June 29th, 2012 for Star Trek 2 June 2011 (forget day) for Cars 2 May 20th, 2011 for Pirates 4

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 12:08 a.m. CST

    AVATWO??? Don't be a fucking retard Harry. LAME.

    by Lamerz

    "Hey I combined a sequel number into a film title. I must look so fucking cool now!"<P>FUCK.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 12:11 a.m. CST

    Seriously though, CAN'T FUCKING WAIT for JJ Trek 2

    by Lamerz

    MOTHER FUCK YES!

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 12:13 a.m. CST

    If mayans were so good at predicting shit

    by Rene_Belloq_12inch_Figure

    They would've predicted the spaniards conquering them, stealing their gold, raping their women and enslaving them. I am happy there's gonna be more JJ star trek.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 12:14 a.m. CST

    they need at least a year to lay all the set pipes

    by HaterofCrap

    blegh.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 12:17 a.m. CST

    Someone pass Asshole Lives the smelling salts

    by quantize

    he's absolutely dizzy with anticipation...

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 12:18 a.m. CST

    Ladies and Gentlemen, please welcome — AsimovLives…

    by blakindigo

    Can we have a round of applause?

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 12:18 a.m. CST

    ...besides

    by quantize

    he's been smelling Lars Von Trier's asshole for way too long now.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 12:20 a.m. CST

    Good news TOS fans..I heard the whole film

    by MacReady452

    is elderly Nimoy and Shatner and it is set entirely in the brig. After the first hour they get bored and go gay. Millions of nerds will still see it 4 times in the theater and pick apart the "science" of the properties of KY in space.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 12:25 a.m. CST

    That's almost all wrong.

    by little_lebowski

    Cars 2, Pirates 4, and, according to Ramis, Ghostbusters 3, all in 2011.<br> <br> And King of the Elves is rumored to be scrapped and/or delayed as well.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 12:27 a.m. CST

    Better call Coors

    by Star Hump

    and reserve the brewery. JJ gots engine room scenes to shoot!

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 12:30 a.m. CST

    RIP Art Clokey

    by TheJudger

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 12:33 a.m. CST

    They can't do Khan

    by beetlegeuse

    The first time was too good, they'll fuck it up some how. That said, i'm stoked. Origin story out of the way means more Scotty & Bones

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 12:41 a.m. CST

    Oh good I was worried

    by Xiphos_2

    This cycle of history would end before the goatfucker could profess his unnatural love for JJ Abrams one more time.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 12:41 a.m. CST

    according to the star trek calendar I saw at borders the world e

    by lettersoftransit

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 12:42 a.m. CST

    ends this december 31

    by lettersoftransit

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 12:46 a.m. CST

    2012 is simply the start of a new baktun

    by ReportAbuse

    A baktun being the standard Mayan 400-year cycle. Mayan stelae (inscribed stones) have been found showing dates well beyond 2012, such as 14.0.0.0.0 (March 26, 2407), 17.0.0.0.0 (January 3, 3559) and even 1.0.0.0.0.0 (October 13, 4792), suggesting that the Mayans at least had the concept of time continuing well beyond the 2012 'deadline' some people have speculated about. BTW, those funky dates listed above are in base-20 system and the numbers from right to left refer to days, uinal (= 20 days), tun (= 20 uinal), katun (= 20 tun), baktun (= 20 katun), piktun (= 13 baktun), kalabtun (= 20 piktun), and kinchiltun (= 20 piktun) although the numbers above only go up to the sixth place (piktun). Today's date in the old Mayan calendar is 12.19.17.0.2 (the second day of the 0th uinal of the 17th tun of the 19th katun of the 12th baktun since 3114 BC, reading from right to left.) Baktuns re-cycle at 13, so Dec 21, 2012 is the start of the 13th baktun from creation, and will be written 13.0.0.0.0. Whew.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 12:48 a.m. CST

    KING OF THE ELVES IS..

    by BartholomewNeff

    not getting made. It was shelved about a month or so ago. Snow Queen (hand-drawn) is now the 2012 film from Disney Animation. There may be another (CG) that year, but it's not a done deal yet.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 12:48 a.m. CST

    Will Tree of Life come out by then?

    by ackack

    Hopefully!

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 12:49 a.m. CST

    Hopefully Gilliam will finally make Don Quixote

    by ackack

    by then.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 12:51 a.m. CST

    3000 Quatloos on the sequel not sucking!

    by Castlemonster

    At least they're beyond the origination unpleasantness that plagues most franchise these days.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 12:52 a.m. CST

    Re - Spanish Conquest

    by ReportAbuse

    Actually, the Mayan civilization had more or less collapsed by the 10th century, about five hundred years before the Europeans arrived. Most of their major cities were abandoned and overgrown by the jungle long before the Conquistadors ever laid eyes on them, so this is actually one thing you can't blame on the Europeans. Of course Mayan PEOPLE still exist (and are often still persecuted by their Aztec i.e. Mexican neighbors) and some of them are still quite loyal to their heritage despite centuries of Christianization, but their traditional civilization as such is no more.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 12:52 a.m. CST

    Castlemonster

    by Coordinate_System

    I'll take that bet.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 1:03 a.m. CST

    The Goat Felcher is salivating...

    by DrMorbius

    in anticipation, he's timed it to coincide with the arrival of his new 'kids' going into 'rut'. And his new set of 'waders' from Sears should arrive in time to be christened.<P> Baaaaaasssssiiiimmmoooovvv!!!

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 1:09 a.m. CST

    Fortunately quatloos are like Italian lira

    by Castlemonster

    Oh, and BONK BONK ON THE HEAD MISTER LOVEY DOVEY!

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 1:17 a.m. CST

    IN 3D so JJ can rape your eyeballs What about Brian style

    by JeanGrey_X23_lesboSex

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 1:23 a.m. CST

    Pixar '11-'12:

    by Burbage

    "Cars 2" and "The Bear and the Bow" in 2011, "Newt" and "John Carter of Mars" in 2012.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 1:30 a.m. CST

    I heard that Brian Cox

    by Angry Bald Guy

    was being considered for the role of Khan.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 1:33 a.m. CST

    BOOGER!

    by Triple_J_72

    Just thought I'd try to say something unique to the debate. :-)

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 1:37 a.m. CST

    Anyone that believes the world will end in 2012

    by SithMenace

    is an idiot. Even Nasa has debunked it.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 1:38 a.m. CST

    Also, JJ ABRAMS TO DIRECT STAR TREK 2

    by SithMenace

    Please.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 1:39 a.m. CST

    Also, AsimovLives isn't here because

    by SithMenace

    he's watching Star Trek 2009. He's like that gay guy that makes fun of gay guys to cover the fact that he's a gay guy.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 1:45 a.m. CST

    JJ's TNG

    by DidntPullOutInTimeCop

    Jim Parsons as Data.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 1:53 a.m. CST

    That doesn't make them any less dead

    by Rene_Belloq_12inch_Figure

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 1:56 a.m. CST

    Aint It Old News

    by Wookie_Weed

    This has been posted in the talkbacks here since Comingsoon.net announced it the other day. How long do you sleep, Harry? You really need to get an alarm.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 2:08 a.m. CST

    does it matter?

    by chainsaw_shawn

    As long as the fucking movie comes out!!! KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!!!

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 2:46 a.m. CST

    STAR 2REK

    by MattInTheHat

    That's all I had to say.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 2:49 a.m. CST

    Pixar will have two films in 2012?

    by Bass Ackwards

    And isnt Pirates 4 next year? I thought I just read that somewhere on this site actually.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 3:13 a.m. CST

    KHAN....?!?

    by blackflowerX

    Pretty please with a cherry on top..! (I want the Borg , but I know that would be stupid...*sigh*)

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 3:14 a.m. CST

    Anyone who still believes that Mayan crap

    by V'Shael

    after all the attempts to educate the chicken-littles of the world, is a an idiot.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 3:15 a.m. CST

    Star Trek Online.....

    by blackflowerX

    Absolutely fuck all to do with this talkback, but I can't wait for that either , and I'm hope it's not shit....

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 3:19 a.m. CST

    V'Shael and the attack of the Mayans....

    by blackflowerX

    I totally agree , between all the 2012 crap , angles ,angel orbs, and fucking fairy reiki healing , I'm willing the death of the human race , just to escape the stink of bullshit....

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 3:25 a.m. CST

    Star Trek 2: Follow Strict Protocol

    by MacReady452

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 3:27 a.m. CST

    Star Trek 2: Rise of the Tribbles

    by MacReady452

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 3:31 a.m. CST

    Paramount could be really radical

    by kwisatzhaderach

    and hire a talented director to helm a new Star Trek, as opposed to a TV hack who has no cinematic sense at all.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 3:33 a.m. CST

    And, yes...

    by kwisatzhaderach

    it is hilarious how Cameron served Abrams.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 3:47 a.m. CST

    Lens flares

    by corplhicks

    CG lens flare technology developed in a joint venture between ILM, WETA, and Lightstorm already underway. Industry analysts already buzzing that this new lens flare will change everything and rewrite lens flare forever. This time they are going for even greater distraction and annoyance. There is a rumor that the villain in this movie may be a rogue solar flare as well

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 3:56 a.m. CST

    Harry ... "1 last?!"

    by Alan_Moore

    What is with that shit, Harry?! I was there with you when we witnessed the rebirth of Star Trek just under a year ago! Why are you already calling for an end to it?! Fuck you. This cast should keep going until 2034 and beyond. The only shame here is that Paramount couldn't schedule a sequel until 3 years later. That's too long of a wait! There are too many Trek fans worldwide to go 3 years without ANY new product. That sucks.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 4:08 a.m. CST

    alan_moore

    by Gh0ulardi

    Harry means the world will end before they get to make a 3rd Star Trek.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 4:09 a.m. CST

    BurnHollywood, you are an idiot.

    by Alan_Moore

    "Seriously, it's fucking hilarious to see how badly TREK got served by AVATAR." No, it isn't, if you know ANYTHING about the history of cinema. Star Trek has traditionally been a B franchise. Cameron has been an A list filmmaker for at least 20 years. The fact that Star Trek even reached mainstream success at all in 2009 is a major feat in and of itself. JJ did more than anyone could have hoped for, bringing the franchise from death to new heights of popularity. No one with any realistic understanding of movies ever expected Trek to compete with James Cameron. How old are you, idiot, 12?

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 4:13 a.m. CST

    I have a new reason to wear my federation uniform!

    by papalovedoug

    usually i just sit around a home wearing it.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 4:14 a.m. CST

    my true name...

    by nightmute

    Good morning, Talkbackers Time to reveal myself. My friends call me Jim. But you can call me Jesus. My initials, after all, are JC. Trust me, it is no mere coincidence. I must now confess the truth about Avatar. After researching the FX technology that would have been required to make it, I realized it would be more cost effective to build a warp-drive starship instead. Thus, I scoured the galaxy in search of a planet suitable for my needs, whereupon I discovered the planet I named Pandora. Yes, those weren't special effects. It was all real. I originally called the planet Camdora, but that was deemed a little too cheeky on my part. Ho ho. Anyhoo, I've loaned my ship to my dear friend JJ, who, much to his chagrin, does not have a C as a second initial, unlike me. There can be only one. He plans to shoot scenes for Trek 2 on Pandora in June. I would also like to announce my engagement to Rityaal, a Navi princess. She will be the sixth Mrs Cameron. Thankyou for your attention. Your leader, JC.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 4:14 a.m. CST

    ...

    by papalovedoug

    sometimes i just wear vulcan ears and nothing else, just me and my naked body.

  • Because then, instead of having a shitty fourth iteration of Spider Man, we can get a shitty fourth iteration of PotC.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 4:24 a.m. CST

    Star Trek 2 :Shining even more flashlights in Cameras

    by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes

    Maybe they will pay for a real engineering room this time instead of reusing the set from Beer Fest.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 4:29 a.m. CST

    The end of the world AND a crappy Trek lite sequel?

    by RobinP

    Wow, my cup overfloweth.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 4:31 a.m. CST

    Good, now i'll get my laugh of 2011

    by AsimovLives

    And i really hope that Jar Jar Abrams, Bob The Porci and The Klutzman mannage to create an even more stupid and retard movie then the first one. To please both the fanboys of the first, because they love the retardnes sof the NU TREK, and for me because i'll get more laughs out of it. Bring it on! RETARD TREK FOREVER!!

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 4:33 a.m. CST

    Oh, that's 2012!!

    by AsimovLives

    Better yet, that measn the Jar Jar, the Porci and the Klutzman retards have more time to think of even more retard bullshit to shove in their to be RETARD TREK TOO: THE RETARDNESS OF KHAN "movie".

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 4:34 a.m. CST

    i loved JJ's Trek except for one thing .............

    by Gh0ulardi

    WHY IN GOD'S NAME IS THERE A TYLER PERRY CAMEO?? JUST BECAUSE HE's FRIENDS WITH JJ???<br><br>..i thought JJ only made organic casting decisions like the fact that they didn't wanna force Shatner into the movie unless it was permitted by the story.<br><br>(btw; i kinda liked that bit in the screenplay w/ the hologram msg from Kirk that Old Spock relayed to young Spock. - they shoulda kept it in!)<br><br>..if they didn't allow a Shatner cameo then what made JJ feel it was permissible to throw gay Tyler Perry into the mix??<br><br>..it really tainted my suspension of disbelief every time fuckin' "Madea" popped up during Starfleet's inquisition of Kirk over the Kobayashi Maru.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 4:39 a.m. CST

    And more lens flares, please

    by AsimovLives

    We can't get enough of that!

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 4:41 a.m. CST

    I believe there's two Pixar flicks in 2011, not 2012.

    by dr_buggerlugs

    ...Bear And The Bow and Cars 2. My guess being that what I would presume is reduced pre-production work on Toy Story 3 and Cars 2 gives them room to get an original flick in there as well. Shame that King Of The Elves is dead though...Disney doing Dick would have been a sight to see...Phillip K that is.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 4:44 a.m. CST

    JCVD on EXPENDABLES and SLY IMPRESSION

    by damiz707

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szLoJhywUdQ&feature=player_embedded

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 5:01 a.m. CST

    Will Uhura show us her bra again?

    by Star Hump

    Cuz we need some kind of sex appeal Mithter Abrams! So if you wouldn't mind, could we watch Uhura peel off her shirt for a half second? Ith so titilating! Hee. Tittilating. Please Mithter Abrams. Please?

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 5:17 a.m. CST

    C'mon Harry!!

    by Mako

    King Of The Elves? It was axed last year. And you guys weren't aware of it? Hmmm... might be time to look for new blood.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 5:48 a.m. CST

    Star Hump

    by AsimovLives

    In the sequels, things are always hamped up. So, for the sequel, nothing except full topless from Uhura will be acceptable. And for the 3rd movie, complete full frontal nakedness. Let's have some sexy carribean magic here!

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 5:49 a.m. CST

    that's caribbean, of course

    by AsimovLives

    Never get that word right.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 5:50 a.m. CST

    Hmmmm......

    by JackSully

    JJ put that cast together he is the coach. No matter how good your team is you might be able to pull a championship out for a year but it will eventually fall apart without the coach.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 5:56 a.m. CST

    JackSully

    by AsimovLives

    Sadly, the coach fucked up. Though i hope he fucks up as good for the next round. That will be where the fun lies, as if watching the circus clowns assclowning around.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 5:57 a.m. CST

    The world doesn't end in 2012...

    by buggerbugger

    ...we simply build a new, raft-based society.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 5:57 a.m. CST

    Jar Jar Abrams as a coach

    by AsimovLives

    would be like those who win championships by bribery and corruption, not good team mannagement and talent for the job.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 6 a.m. CST

    Hope they do something completely original

    by Muki

    What's the point in rebooting the franchise if they're just going to remake all the classic Trek stories? They should stay as far away from anything involving Khan or Klingons as possible.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 6:04 a.m. CST

    Cameron served Abrams, but...

    by vadakinX

    Blomkamp served Cameron. <p> Avatar looked great but was derivative and predictable. Star Trek was fun but dumb. The big "alien movie" of last year was District 9 and it was made for 10% of Avatar's budget.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 6:09 a.m. CST

    creator of Gumby died

    by Potatino

    Sad News...Art Clokey, creator of Gumby, dies at age 89... news found at boingboing

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 6:15 a.m. CST

    Must see Hobbit before we perish...

    by HarryBlackPotter

    And I'd sooner sit through the apocalypse than sit through another pirates movie.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 6:23 a.m. CST

    only nerds hate nu-trek.

    by RedHorseVector

    because they were looking for something to hate. i've heard plenty of valid criticisms of the film, but just as many, if not 10x more, could be leveled at the majority of star trek canon. in summary, all the haters are deluded nerds. thank you.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 6:47 a.m. CST

    Finally saw the first one...I even have an opinion...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...just a little one though.<P> Talkback is for giant, raging, throbbing opinions.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 7:14 a.m. CST

    Just make sure there's more McCoy

    by davidwebb

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 7:20 a.m. CST

    Avatwat II: Electric Blue Glue

    by rosasaks

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 7:41 a.m. CST

    flares

    by fxmulder35

    Get off the lens flares you DWEEBS. It made the look of TREK like nothing else, and added that sense of immediacy that we haven't had in a flick in ages. Nobody on here, myself included, has a much talent as ANYONE involved in the latest TREK...or...for that matter...ANYONE involved in anything other than commenting on other people's comments. We are sooo sad.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 7:51 a.m. CST

    Another 2012 film that most are forgetting

    by JettL93

    Is the remake of the Last starfighter, I've seen the script and some production art, this one will likly piss alot of fanboys off but in the end it looks to be so different from the orginal that it's more of a re-imagining or reboot then a flat out remake

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 7:57 a.m. CST

    KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!!!

    by Darth Busey

    Do it.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 8:02 a.m. CST

    ...MORE PROOF CAMERON IS THE ANTICHRIST...

    by FlickaPoo

    Daniel 8:23-25 (New International Version)<P> 23-"In the latter part of their reign (star wars fans), when rebels have become completely wicked, a stern-faced king (Cameron), a master of intrigue, will arise.<P> 24-He will become very strong, but not by his own power (with the help of some blue friends). He will cause astounding devastation and will succeed in whatever he does. He will destroy the mighty men (Spielberg, Zemeckis) and the holy people (SW fans).<P> 25-He will cause deceit to prosper, and he will consider himself superior. When they feel secure, he will destroy many and take his stand against the Prince of princes(Lucas). Yet he will be destroyed, but not by human power.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 8:27 a.m. CST

    More proof Asslives got Anthrax from his goat harem.

    by Sal_Bando

    It infects each and every post of his. He actually LOOOOOOOOOOOOOVVVESSS the Abram Trek, every single solitary frame of it in fact, every word, every lens flare, every second of footage he adores. <p> Word has it he gives it 'Four Goat Hooves Up on the Almada Trekkie Lust Scale', which is about as high as you can go. <p> Back to deep throating billygoats there Mammaries, you have not impregnated enough.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 8:28 a.m. CST

    BRING BACK MUDD!! BRING BACK MUDD!!

    by tangcameo

    I think he deserves a film, or at least a major part. And get Shatner to play Mudd Sr with matching moustache. Between him reading quotes on Tonight Show and his MTV Award spoof of Se7en I think he'd be a great Mudd. Or maybe Ricky Gervais with that moustache. Who else thinks Mudd should come back? And who should play him?

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 8:43 a.m. CST

    Jesus, do some editing for frak's sake

    by critch

    It's June 29, not May 29. May 29 is a Tuesday. They're not going to release a movie on the day after Memorial day. Juny 29 is July 4th weekend.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 8:56 a.m. CST

    if 2012's end of the world is going to happen

    by cifra

    and be as cool and spectacular as in Emmerich's movie, so be it! ;)

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 9:04 a.m. CST

    Don't forget!!!

    by Rando Calrisian

    We will also get another round of Harry's DVD column in 2012. <br> <br> Come on, big guy - this is how you start off the new year???

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 9:17 a.m. CST

    Wait, you're wrong on a bunch of things.

    by critch

    Cars 2 is in 2011, and Pirates 4 has a date locked for Memorial day 2011. Do you do any research at all?

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 9:27 a.m. CST

    Thanks JettL for expediting

    by Six Demon Bag

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 9:33 a.m. CST

    ASIMOV LIVES WILL DESTROY THE WORLD IN 2012

    by ISleptWithKathyBatesAndAllThatIGotWasThisStupidTalkbackName

    "And lo, he who falsely claims the living of a departed man, did walk out from the second picture show filled with unquiet loathing. As the fire built up within him, it extended outwards into the Earth and up to the Heavens and all was torn asunder."<p>-From a Mayan scroll found in Calakmul, 1961

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 9:39 a.m. CST

    Three years between movies

    by SmokingRobot

    Who do they think they are, George Lucas. This sucks.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 9:41 a.m. CST

    Knowles and schedules

    by THE TRUE PINBACK

    After reading this site for many years now, I have come to the conclusion that Harry Knowles has about as much consideration for staying on a schedule as Kevin Smith. And what's worse is, he always has an excuse-lame though they may be.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 9:43 a.m. CST

    Three Years between #'s 1 & 2

    by THE TRUE PINBACK

    Look at the bright side...at least this gives them time to do it right.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 9:43 a.m. CST

    JettL93

    by peter_dickinson

    Okay dude, stop fucking around, that one is not even funny!

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 9:43 a.m. CST

    the Bat

    by 10thDoctor

    no one is mentioning that the next bat sequel is more than likely coming out in 2012 as well..... =)

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 9:54 a.m. CST

    we have a new Trekkie subset - the TREKWHINERS!

    by Kaiser Soze

    Yes, the Trekwhiners. These are the diehard old-Trek fans that can't stop their incessant and petty bitching just because what they could once call their own has been reinvigorated and rejuvenated with a broader mass appeal, making it cool enough to like Trek that all those normal people that made fun of them for their Vulcan ears and full-getup Klingon costumes now enjoy their "escape" from the rigors of persecution. That a director like J.J. Abrams could so easily turn their geek franchise into a hot property with loads of mainstream cred completely offends them. And because the only life they truly had, that of star trek superdweeb, has, in their estimation, been wrested from their cold, clammy hands, they proceed to constantly whine on internet message boards because the new Trek made more money than any of their Treks ever did. These Trekwhiners are both sad and funny to watch/read. In fact, lets all us guys who loved the new Trek get together and throw a pity party for them. Maybe then they will finally shut up about the best Trek since Khan.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 9:56 a.m. CST

    Oh, and calling him "Jar Jar" Abrams

    by Kaiser Soze

    is neither funny nor witty, as that particular spin on his name only had a funny life expectancy of 10 seconds, all of which were used up two years ago. You guys aren't clever for that, just lame and jealous that this guy has made more money than you likely ever will. Chew on that, ya gungans!

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 9:58 a.m. CST

    one final note...

    by Kaiser Soze

    Looking forward to the sequel, DO hope they cut down on the lens flares a bit, though. And, as much as I like the idea of a new Khan flick, and really like J.J.'s idea of Nestor "Ricardos Alpert" Carbonell as Khan, not sure there aren't some better, fresher avenues to explore first. However, if we do get BatManuel as Khan, I'd love to see it.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 9:58 a.m. CST

    Simon Pegg has no time for this shit...

    by theDannerDaliel

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 9:59 a.m. CST

    going up against "THE AVENGERS" = EPIC FAIL OF THE DECADE

    by theDannerDaliel

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 10:02 a.m. CST

    Lens flares in 3D? I'll be mailing my hospital bill to Paramount

    by YackBacker

    And I advise all of you to do the same. Optical reconstruction surgery is no fucking joke!

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 10:02 a.m. CST

    Should be good...

    by Fortunesfool

    If they kind find someone who understands basic film-making to direct it, and someone who can spell to write it.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 10:02 a.m. CST

    Terry Zwigoff and Jonathan Glazer

    by L. Ron Bumquist

    Really need to get films out, more importantly. It's fucking depressing that two of the most impressive directors to emerge in the last decade seemed to be frozen out of the industry by the end of it.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 10:08 a.m. CST

    Cool! Try to do a decent story this time

    by jimmy_009

    Instead of the clusterfuck of the last one.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 10:20 a.m. CST

    Theres also Bond to look forward too

    by Human_Bean_Juice_

    And is it too much to ask for more Crank??

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 10:29 a.m. CST

    I would like

    by There_will_be_Dickblood

    Jurassic Park 4 in 3d please

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 10:33 a.m. CST

    Thanks critch!

    by Willips Brighton

    I love accidental irony. Your pissy "do some editing" post refers to the date "Juny 29." When is Juny anyway, before or after Smarch?

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 10:35 a.m. CST

    JUNE 29. 2012- the actual release date for STAR TREK 2.0 II

    by YackBacker

    Trekmovie.com confirms it.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 10:42 a.m. CST

    KHAN does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    STALLONE AS KHAN.<p> Crazy, yes, but somehow it fits...

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 10:44 a.m. CST

    peter_dickinson - i don't joke around

    by JettL93

    There is a remake to the Last starfighter being produced, theres a script (which isn't terrible, but it's also not great) and minor pre-production has started, Universal intends for a summer 2012 debut. Justin Long is currently the producers first choice as the lead

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 10:46 a.m. CST

    stallone would be great as kahn.

    by RedHorseVector

    but only because he has fake looking muscles like ricardo montalban's.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 10:47 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    That massive sun-tanned chest...<p> Those sad puppy dog eyes, expressing the tragedy of his long exile...<p> The cheesy relish of his line delivery...<p> The in-built star-wattage and gravitas...<p> Sylvester Stallone might be the ONLY actor that could fill Ricardo Montalban's shoes. Anyone else see it working?

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 10:49 a.m. CST

    Has ANYONE actually spoken to the Mayans?

    by ebolamonkey

    Maybe they can push things back a bit.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 10:54 a.m. CST

    Who needs Mayan doomsday prophecy when we have AbramsTrek 2?

    by Laughing Boy

    I'd prefer the end of the world...

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 10:55 a.m. CST

    what's with the fixed release dates?

    by dingleberryjerry

    shit! they have no script, no director (yet). and JJ abrahams is gonna wanna do something in between. I see more suckage coming...and more lens flares!!!

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 10:58 a.m. CST

    OK I just spoke to the Mayans

    by ebolamonkey

    and they're assholes. They're not moving the end of the world.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 10:59 a.m. CST

    I want a STAR TREK NEXT GENERATION reboot

    by Gorgomel

    Kevin Spacey as Picard and Eddie Murphy as Worf.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 11:04 a.m. CST

    Spacey as Picard?

    by Bouncy X

    "Number 1, come into my ready room and help me with the Cleveland Number 2"

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 11:09 a.m. CST

    World going out with a bang in 2012

    by kevmoley

    sounds like a lot of good movies for 2012,, I just may have to go to the movies that year.. I only seen Star Trek in the theatres for 2009 and for 2010, I will see Avatar :)

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 11:10 a.m. CST

    I quite liked the new Trek....

    by pdennett316

    It was sufficiently different from the original films to justify it's existence, but also had enough "sameyness" so as not to alienate. <p> But....the lens flare was beyond a fucking joke at times, why did he feel the need to clutter the frame so much with an element that is traditionally not wanted in a shot?

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 11:11 a.m. CST

    THE world doesn't end in 2012, OUR world does

    by SubliminalJones

    That's when Old Indiana Jones, Young Kirk and Spock, and all the other characters from movies we incessently bitch and moan about come down off the screen into our reality and beat us all to death in a mass mercy killing. AsimovLives' execution will be televised live.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 11:14 a.m. CST

    ...Stallone. I see you...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...but not his dick veins in 3D. There's such a thing as too much dick vein.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 11:21 a.m. CST

    Asimov Lives: You Disappoint Me

    by cymbalta4thedevil

    All those posts and not even one use of the phrase "Fucking Ass!"<br /><br />And no, calling me a fucking ass in your next post won't make up for it.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 11:22 a.m. CST

    beane2099, you were wrong, man

    by Player_Two_has_entered_the_game

    AsimovLives went full retard with his jar jar rant. If I was a betting man I would have gone with your version though.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 11:23 a.m. CST

    pdennett316.. Re: lens flares

    by dingleberryjerry

    There are so many lens flares because: 1) JJ is a hack TV director 2) Even after delaying the release for 6 months, they didn't care enough to look at the footage and say "Man, that looks like shit! 3) Lens flares = bold, stylish, film-making for a new generation.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 11:23 a.m. CST

    John Travolta for General Chang

    by YackBacker

    Now that he's shaved his head, he has never looked more queer.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 11:45 a.m. CST

    I liked...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...almost every member of the new cast (sorry, Simon) and there were several moments of goofy fun to be had. But I do hope for the second movie they come up with a plot that at least reaches the level of only seeming ridiculous when you think about it afterward. <p> Not hating here. I loved the original show when I watched it in repeats as a small person, and to Abrams credit he did figure out something that no one making any of the later incarnations (from Next Gen on) of Star Trek did. He realized that the most important element of the original series was the incredible chemistry those actors shared. And he did a pretty good job of recreating it with the new cast. <p> But damn, there were more inexplicable actions, outrageous coincidences and idiot plot devices in the new Trek than in most seasons of any of the shows.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 11:48 a.m. CST

    Also, re: "Ant-Man".

    by Burbage

    I'd love if Edgar Wright had that out by 2012 but with all he has on his plate I don't know if it's likely. He's said he wants to do "Baby Driver", supposedly a much smaller movie so we can probably expect that in 2011. After that it's anyone's guess - he has "Ant-Man", "The World's End" and "Them" listed on IMDb. "Them" sounds pretty fascinating - it's based off a book by Jon Ronson, dude who wrote "The Men Who Stare at Goats". Info here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Them:_Adventures_with_Extremists Sounds like it'd be new material for Wright which would be really cool, but it doesn't seem like this one is much of a priority, really. I'd love to see him do it, though. My hope is, after "Baby Driver", he does "Ant-Man", and then "The World's End", which is apparently about getting old so Wright/Pegg/Frost could stand to wait a few years on that. No matter what he does, he's got some of the most interesting projects lined up of any filmmaker. All his upcoming projects seem very different from one another but still a ton of fun. Anyway. "Trek" sequel. Hurray!

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 11:49 a.m. CST

    Wow, I could stand to learn a little about talkback formatting.

    by Burbage

    I haven't been posting long - anyone want to give a few pointers? I only just noticed the TinyURL link below.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 11:52 a.m. CST

    WTH?! Late AND Wrong?!

    by blhotz

    Yesterday comingsoon.net said June 29th. So is AICN LATE and WRONG?!

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 11:55 a.m. CST

    ...Burbage, rule # 1...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...talking a lot about Stallone's dickveins means you're really cool.<P>It does not mean you're gay (not that there's anything wrong with that).

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 11:57 a.m. CST

    ...Burbage, rule # 2...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...a person was banned yesterday for using the word "pussy".<P>Do you feel lucky?...

  • Jan. 9, 2010, noon CST

    AssLives...better hurry buddy,,,,2012...

    by DrMorbius

    So many Goats...<P>so little time...

  • Jan. 9, 2010, noon CST

    Fliackapoo...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...from HERE? For THAT? <p> There's gotta' be more.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 12:04 p.m. CST

    ...Red Ned he was quoting CURB YOUR ENTHUSIASM...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...in the KICK ASS talkback...scan the first half of the TB if you want the whole story...

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 12:05 p.m. CST

    Have the feeling I don't need to...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...it was in relation to Hit Girl, right? <p> Ouch.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 12:05 p.m. CST

    MFFlicka...

    by DrMorbius

    Chakraborty wasn't 'banned'...If the Banhammer falls, your entire AICN history is deleted...his sin't.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 12:08 p.m. CST

    His posts were deleted....censored (?)...

    by DrMorbius

    and maybe 'blocked' from posting or somesuch, but not banned.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 12:09 p.m. CST

    ...Doc, I had always heard that...do people get...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...temporarily blocked then?...or are people faking their own death like Huck Finn? (it would be pretty cool [or depressing] to attend your own funeral).

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 12:11 p.m. CST

    ...and if you're blocked what's the penance...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...to get back into this dark heaven?...10,000 Hail Mary's but substitute "Harry" for "Marry"?

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 12:12 p.m. CST

    MFFlicka

    by DrMorbius

    Who knows what evil lurks in the heart of aicn...

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 12:13 p.m. CST

    You might have to eat...

    by DrMorbius

    10,000 'Ginger'snap cookies...

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 12:14 p.m. CST

    ...well, I can't champion a martyr that isn't really dead...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...I need to see a cold dead body...

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 12:15 p.m. CST

    ...good thing you didn't say Girl Scout Doc.

    by FlickaPoo

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 12:17 p.m. CST

    I believe you can say...

    by DrMorbius

    Eat Girl Scout Cookies...but not..well you know...do I have to spell it out for you?

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 12:22 p.m. CST

    I don't think...

    by DrMorbius

    the corporeal is headed to the ethereal as of yet...

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 12:22 p.m. CST

    ...I just got the real meaning of "ginger"...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...my god...how to unthink it?...<P>...how?

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 12:23 p.m. CST

    Someone on a Talkback once mentioned re: 2012...

    by AsimovDiedOfAIDS

    ...that the only disaster that will happen on December 21, 2012 is the mass confusion caused by hundreds of thousands of Mayans rushing to Borders all at once to buy the new Mayan calendar. I don't remember who said it, but that was pretty f*ckion' funny!

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 12:33 p.m. CST

    MFFlicka...

    by DrMorbius

    South Park had a 'Ginger' episode...<P>http://www.funny-videos.co.uk/videogingerkids.html

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 12:34 p.m. CST

    After I saw "Return of the King" at BNAT I was okay with death.

    by The Reluctant Austinite

    I'm good. Anything else is just a bonus.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 12:36 p.m. CST

    More Bones and Scotty and no Khan, dammit!

    by SpyGuy

    I think anyone with half a brain would agree that Karl Urban fucking ruled as Bones, right down to all the subtle DeForest Kelley mannerisms that made Bones such a legendary character. I shudder to think what the first film would've been like without Urban. <p>Oh, and there's no point to bringing back Khan with Spock Prime still hanging around. "Do you see the BOTANY BAY there? Just lock your phasers and fire without even boarding it. You'll save yourselves a whole lot of trouble, trust me."

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 12:42 p.m. CST

    Spyguy...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...I actually only have forty-nine percent of my brain (controlling interest went to my wife when we married) and I still agree with you absolutely. Urban was a joy to watch as McCoy.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 12:44 p.m. CST

    First 10 mins...

    by Box_Bruceleitner

    Was really quite spectacular and even had me a bit emotional however everything after that seemed pretty dull.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 12:49 p.m. CST

    will it be 3D?

    by ominus

    because i think lens flares look better in 3D.they are like gamma rays from deep space.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 12:50 p.m. CST

    Why such a long wait???

    by conspiracy

    I mean fuck...if we stay with the same formula Bob and Alex should be able to hammer out the script over the weekend.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 12:51 p.m. CST

    Mayas and 2012? fuck,is this an implication

    by ominus

    that the movie will have the Doomsday Machine plot from the tvseries? hm

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 12:55 p.m. CST

    Alan_Moore

    by BurnHollywood

    (I hope you really ARE named "Alan Moore", because otherwise, you're just coming off as a pretentious fuckwit before you even start pounding your monkey paws on the keyboard)<p> LMAO. Nice try, little lady, but I can hear the tremor of hurt in your words...<p> You little Abrams groupies actually thought the flash-in-the-pan phenomena of DAWSON'S TREK actually had a shot at an Oscar, and was the best that the genre had to offer this year...I've been around, I've heard the masturbatory pealing. Now you're having to downgrade it to a B-movie ON YOUR OWN to save some face. Fucking hilarious. I laugh in your face.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 12:55 p.m. CST

    Amazing the Mayans could foresee the rise of Bob and Alex..

    by conspiracy

    For yes...such writing "skill" could bring about the end of the world.</p><p>Fuck...I missed fucking with Bob....thank god we got a Star Trek article

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 12:56 p.m. CST

    What are all of YOU looking forward too in 2012?

    by conspiracy

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 12:57 p.m. CST

    ...Doc, I saw it on TV...it just took me a minute...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...I think my brain was rejecting it...trying to not acknowledge the implications...the horror...

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 12:57 p.m. CST

    fuck Pirates 4, bring on...

    by awardgiver

    DARK SHADOWS! Cmon Johnny and Mr. Burton!

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 1 p.m. CST

    2012? Given that the first was a total ripoff of STAR WARS...

    by BurnHollywood

    ...Why so long to cobble up a total ripoff of EMPIRE STRIKES BACK?

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 1:03 p.m. CST

    I'm up for Pirates 4 ...but ONLY if..

    by conspiracy

    it has more Geoffrey Rush. Make it Sparrow and Barbossa and it'll be fun....if I see Knightley and Bloom in the cast...I'll pass.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 1:11 p.m. CST

    Oh goody, more Shit Trek from Abrams

    by photoboy

    Abrams Trek was a plot-hole ridden mess. If Abrams wants to make mindless Star Wars rip-offs, why can't he invent his own universe? Star Trek used to be a vaguely intelligent sci-fi option, now it's been fully dumbed down for the masses. Hooray for the idiocracy.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 1:11 p.m. CST

    Pirates with Vampires

    by ominus

    Vampirates.why the hell not?

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 1:23 p.m. CST

    RE: That TNG reboot idea.

    by davidwebb

    I'll see your Spacey/Murphy, and raise you Shia LeBeouf as Wesley Crusher and Megan Fox as Troi. Robert Downey Jr for Riker?

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 1:29 p.m. CST

    Release Dates

    by nukeboy1970

    Avengers comes out May 4, 2012. Pirates 4 is coming out in 2011, and Disney is making sure it won't compete with Thor. (Since they now own Marvel).

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 1:42 p.m. CST

    Blake Lively cast as Carol Ferris in GL?

    by jaysin420

    A bit young no?

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 1:44 p.m. CST

    ...Ќ Λ ΛΛΛΛΛΛΛђ Л!!!!!!!!!!

    by FlickaPoo

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 1:45 p.m. CST

    Check the Dresden Codex

    by iheartjacksparrow

    For those who say the Mayan Calendar doesn't signal the end of the world, look up the Dresden Codex. It clearly shows the world being consumed by water on December 21, 2012. And the Mayans aren't the only ancient peoples who stated the world will end on that date. So don't be so quick to assume the Mayans are wrong.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 1:45 p.m. CST

    MFFlicka....course you know....

    by DrMorbius

    you have to eat a few 'Brownies' before you can be a Girl Scout!

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 1:48 p.m. CST

    ...I'll eat anything...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...I'm just never eating an AICN ginger snap again.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 1:51 p.m. CST

    A new villain would be nice.

    by beane2099

    Do we really need to see a new take on Kahn? 15 years ago I might have said Antonio Banderas could do it, but really why go there at all? I'd definitley like to see more aliens though. The Gorn and the Tholians would be cool. Now an interesting idea would be Dr Daystrom and M-5. Make the scope a little bigger and have it takeover a bunch more star ships and attacking aliens everywhere. But then that might be taken as a Terminator rip off. Kirk pissing off Klingons is a must. And of course, more lens flares.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 1:54 p.m. CST

    Ominous...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...there are a series of not very good books under the Vampirates banner. Plus, at one time Tom Savini was trying to pull together money to make a movie that I think was going to be called Vampyrates, but it never happened.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 1:57 p.m. CST

    Fuck this Mayan End of the World bullshit

    by DOGSOUP

    The world has survived every single end of the world prophecy since the beginning of time. Anyone who believes in it, more power to you but you. Use the idea that you are going to die in two years to do shit that really matters.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 2 p.m. CST

    Does anyone know...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...when the world ends next? I mean after 2012. I'm already over that one.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 2 p.m. CST

    Oh and as far as JettL goes

    by beane2099

    I used to get irritated with those posts, but now that I see the art behind them. I ain't that quick sometimes. He/she is fucking with the entire AICN talkbacker community. I respect that, especially the subtle comments with little or nothing incendiary in them that still elicit such vitriol. Now that either takes talent or laziness cause they know the audience is already primed to react so negatively to anything they post.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 2:04 p.m. CST

    DOGSOUP

    by The Dum Guy

    Tell that to the people who once lived in a little place called Atlantis.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 2:07 p.m. CST

    to those afraid of our impending doom on 12/21/2012

    by Kaiser Soze

    I say "Y2K". Eeeeeeveryone thought the system was going to gridlock or shutdown due to the "Y2K" incompatibility issues, and yet, on 01/01/2000, what happened? NOT A DAMN THING, that's what. Come on, you bunch of Chicken Little's, grow a brain and a backbone and realize that all that will happen at the stroke of midnight on 12/21/2012 is that the calendar will roll over to 12/22/2012. Nothing more.I mean seriously, you're taking the words of someone from over 2,000 years ago and turning it into gospel...oh, wait.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 2:10 p.m. CST

    You know, Dum Guy...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...All the gods who play in the mythological dramas <p> In all legends from all lands were from far Atlantis.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 2:11 p.m. CST

    STAR T2EK

    by cineninja

    you know it...hopefully theyll be more thoughtful this time out...

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 2:16 p.m. CST

    Aww c'mon ASSimov...

    by Skyway Moaters

    ... even you, self appointed cinema expert you purport yourself to be, must have some love for Karl Urban's hilarious turn as McCoy? You're one of those "the glass is half empty"... never mind. In your ego-centric interpretation, Abrams' Trek reboot is a case of "empty glass smashed in the pig-trough" eh what? Get over yourself, and learn to construct coherent english sentence, preliminary language concerns not withstanding... what a wanker...

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 2:16 p.m. CST

    What the fuck is 2012?

    by Dr. Samuel Loomis

    lawl

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 2:19 p.m. CST

    Everyone who's honestly afraid of 2010...

    by Gozu

    should just kill themselves now. I mean, you saw the movie right? It'll probably be EVEN WORSE than that. Plus, your deaths will help improve the overall quality of the gene-pool in the, um, unlikely event that the Mayans were wrong.

  • Just saying.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 2:24 p.m. CST

    JJ's got huge balls for even considering.....

    by jaysin420

    to reboot the most tired franchise of all time with the bitchiest most psychotic fan base.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 2:30 p.m. CST

    Someone mentioned Brian Cox

    by chewyou812

    in a previous talkback as a casting possibility for Kahn. I'd think that would only work if remaking WRATH OF KAHN. If they're remaking the SPACE SEED episode, he'd be a bit too old. (but only by 30yrs or so)

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 2:30 p.m. CST

    Do you miserable morons not see what Harry is doing here?

    by Skyway Moaters

    ... combining 2012 contoversy with Trek love/hate for the sake of page hits? <p> Granted, I've "paid the prostitute" by posting this and my previous ASSimov taunt, but come on. This site has gone to the whores and trolls in almost every decribable way. Sad, considering what AICN USED to be...

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 2:38 p.m. CST

    "ɹǝʇɔuıɥds sʇɐob"

    by Player_Two_has_entered_the_game

    ɐɥɐɥɐɥɐɥɐɥ

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 2:41 p.m. CST

    And please...

    by Skyway Moaters

    ... stop replying to JettL; in hope that he will SHUT UP, if his needy little ego isn't getting stroked...

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 2:55 p.m. CST

    If it hasn't been officially decided JJ's not directing HOW IS I

    by Tall_Boy66

    So you don't know jack, Knowles, since nobody has decided who is directing. Let alone a script hasn't been written. So you contradicted yourself within a single sentence. " Now, it is also true that JJ is not officially helming this one, at least that hasn't been formally announced or decided yet." That sentence DOES NOT MAKE SENSE! Good job there.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 2:55 p.m. CST

    HOW IS IT TRUE?

    by Tall_Boy66

    I hate talkback headers. I really do.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 2:58 p.m. CST

    I'm crazy

    by Box_Bruceleitner

    but I enjoy hearing from JettL, he is the B-A-N-A-N-A-S

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 3:01 p.m. CST

    Skyway Moaters

    by Dr. Samuel Loomis

    Yeah, I agree with you. This site has gone to shit.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 3:02 p.m. CST

    No, please, Jar Jar, put Khan in your SHIT TREK TOO

    by AsimovLives

    The more you fuck up, the better. And how better for you to fuck up then to have in it a dumbed down, retard version of the iconic character of Khan? I say, the more Jar Jar Abrams' fucks up, the more fun it gets. So, Jar Jar Abrams, pleas,e put Khan in your next SHIT TREK movie. And klingons. And romulans. And borgs. No, really, fill your movie up, the more the merrier. and please, don't forget to make your movie topical. It will be a blast to watch your retard dumb stupid atempt at topicality in your own retard version of Star Trek. Don't rob me my laughs.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 3:03 p.m. CST

    Joblo

    by Box_Bruceleitner

    Is the better site but the talkbacks here are too damn entertaining.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 3:04 p.m. CST

    Jar Jar Abrams not directing SHIT TREK TOO?

    by AsimovLives

    What, suddently Jar Jar Abrams lost all his love for money gotten from dumbing down stuff and create the most retard shit imaginable to Man? Impossible! The man loves too much getting rich with little effort to give up his SHIT TREK gig. Yeah, right, Jar Jar Abrams would allow somebody else to get all that ill gotten cash! Yeah, right!

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 3:05 p.m. CST

    the first star trek film had a germ of an idea

    by rben

    which was to make thoughtful, intellectual science fiction which wasn't dependent on "action". Unfortunately because it was too dry, they went in the complete opposite direction for Trek 2, etc. Not that i didn't enjoy most of em but the original series at least had a mixture of both action and thoughtful first contact stories. Abrams should look at and learn from both district 9 and avatar and create a totally alien race that the enterprise crew has to figure out/communicate with and not just remake old star trek movies with a new kahn. the one thing that also bugged me about the transition from motion picture to 2 was obsolutely no reference to anything that went before. (guess they wanted to get the stink off them). still...sense of wonder JJ. give it a shot!

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 3:10 p.m. CST

    Kaiser Soze

    by AsimovLives

    To call Jar Jar Abrams that is not an atempt at being witty. It's a show of complete despise and disrespect. Which the fucker merits.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 3:14 p.m. CST

    cymbalta4thedevil

    by AsimovLives

    Because you love and you know your Shakespeare, you get an isemption.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 3:15 p.m. CST

    I'm all for another Pirates movie

    by MattmanReturns

    Johnny Depp and Geoffrey Rush buddy flick would be awesome.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 3:17 p.m. CST

    "the bitchiest most psychotic fan base"?

    by buggerbugger

    'Doctor Who' fans, without a doubt.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 3:18 p.m. CST

    The Pirates movies were shit!

    by Dr. Samuel Loomis

    Now that fecal matter is rubbing off to what could of been a decent flick, The Prince of Persia. Pirates fans can go insert a flaming sword into their rectum, those movies were horrid!

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 3:21 p.m. CST

    Skyway Moaters

    by AsimovLives

    I'll write one of your precious coherent english phrases the day you can do the same in portuguese. Until then, fuck off.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 3:22 p.m. CST

    Ugh, Prince of Persia...

    by Box_Bruceleitner

    It looks so boring! Way too much reliance on CGI (big surprise), it all seems so phoney. Now if it were Romancing The Stone with time travel and a Persian setting, that I would be down with.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 3:24 p.m. CST

    MattmanReturns

    by AsimovLives

    I agree. Johnny Depp and specially Geoffrey Rush were my favorite thing in the Pirates movies.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 3:32 p.m. CST

    Loved the first JJ Star Trek

    by GimpInMyPants

    JJ Abrams resurrected Star Trek. He made it something the general public could consume while not bastardizing Roddenberry's vision. No small feat. The sequel should be even better if the villains are Klingon or the Borg.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 3:35 p.m. CST

    Sherlock Moaters...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...you've cracked the case! Harry Knowles, gleefully rubbing his freckled little paws together, thought "no one on my geek movie site will click on a story about a Star Trek sequel. Whatever shall I do?" <p> Then the most fiendish and diabolical notion slithered from a History Channel special through the sparse flames of his baby fine beard, through a tear duct which had just spilled sorrow over his terrible plight. And Harry Knowles smiled, and it was a terrible smile, a smile of deceit, a smile sprung from dreams of pudding pops that would be purchased with the one tenth of a cent each additional browser hit would bring him. <p> "Star Trek and the fictitious Mayan prophecy of the world's ending would be too delicious a treat for any to ignore," Harry whispered, rubbing away his tears and then kissing them from the backs of his hands while he typed his nefarious post. "Those blind geek sheep who would click past Star Trek are sure to caught on the siren song of all days ending." <p> You're a regular Mycroft in a world of Lestrades, Moaters. Thanks for sharing the wisdom.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 3:43 p.m. CST

    Excuse me ASSSimov...

    by Skyway Moaters

    ...but this is not a Portuguese forum. And I have far less problems with your mangled english than I do with your self aggrandizing stnce as some sort of definitive source of relative film criticism. <p> You have opinions, shit sack. Just like every other jerkoff (including me) that posts to this site. Get over yourself and stop yelling at people you insufferabel asshole. You're giving Portugal a bad name.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 3:47 p.m. CST

    Fuckin' typos..

    by Skyway Moaters

    ... you still suck Assi. I just got in a hurry, so don't even go there.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 3:47 p.m. CST

    "The Pirates movies were shit!"

    by MattmanReturns

    Oh please. You wanna be taken seriously, maybe you should list some valid reasons. They are perfectly well made movies, and they do exactly what they're supposed to do. The performances are all solid and the effects and set work is top notch. If it's not your thing, that's fine, but don't honestly try to sell me that they're "shit," because they are far from. Especially the first one.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 4:05 p.m. CST

    so after 2012

    by smackfu

    are there anymore famously projected doomsdays I'm forgetting about? Because it really would be fantastic to not ever again have half the population of the planet expecting the end of the world based on some stupid number.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 4:08 p.m. CST

    Smackfu...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...number, planetary alignment, comet, prophecy...the only way you'll get your wish is if...the world ends. <p> AsimovLives...Portugal or Brazil? Hard to believe a Portuguese movie geek wouldn't have seen some Fulci. You're practically neighbors.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 4:16 p.m. CST

    J.J. Abrams is the new Isaac Asimov!

    by Kaiser Soze

    He created Lost and Fringe and gave the Star Trek Franchise relevance beyond the Trekkies. He's the new Asimov! ABRAMSLIVES!

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 4:17 p.m. CST

    shit and fuck !

    by Candy ass monkey suit

    Thats far too long to wait till the next movie ! they should get their asses into gear and get this made sooner. I believe also that Indian jones 5 is pencilled in for 2012 at this stage. harry missed that one.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 4:29 p.m. CST

    Candy ass monkey suit...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...do NOT wait. Send just the words "Indian Jones" to the people at Asylum films as soon as you finish reading this post. <p> This typo could get you a "based on a character created by" credit and $17.25, which would make it the most expensive acquisition Asylum has ever made.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 4:52 p.m. CST

    Kaiser Soze

    by AsimovLives

    I didn't knew you had such hatred and despise for Isaac Asimov to compare him with such an untalente hack. You are going to have to provide an example of where Isaac Asimov was ever a propoent and enforcer of dumbness and stupidity and bad storytelling filled with illogical turn of events and badly though out storylines and plot holes for the same of entertaiment. You are going to really need to find out examples where Isaac Asimov ever went dumb for fun.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 4:53 p.m. CST

    MattmanReturns

    by Dr. Samuel Loomis

    I'll give you the first film, it was pretty damn good. After seeing that I had the highest of hopes for the second, I don't recall why my heart was in the wrong place while seeing it in theater, but I just felt it fell so far from the first. Plus it pissed me off about how people kept going on and on about the Kraken. That being said, I didn't bother right away with the 3rd. One of my college professor's decided to put it in a while back, we had nothing better to do, and it just shook me. I can take Johnny Depp, but 3 solid movies of acting like a drunken, acid induced cock was too much, given that the 3rd (from the hour or so that I saw) was nothing but him acting stupid and drunk. I defend your right to enjoy them, but that's my reason for not.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 4:54 p.m. CST

    Red Ned Lynch

    by AsimovLives

    Portugal. And believe me, Fulci is pratically unknown and unheard in here. Dario Argento is far better known.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 4:58 p.m. CST

    Skyway Moaters

    by AsimovLives

    It's in the internet, it means by it's own definition an INTERNATIONAL FORUM. And yes, you better start being pretty fluent in portuguese so you to get in your high horse about my english. Or else go fuck yourself in your fucking ass, you smug motherfucker. Was that english good enough for you, asshole? What part of it you did not understood? Fucking cunt!

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 4:59 p.m. CST

    Kaiser Soze — that made me LAUGH SO HAR

    by blakindigo

    I spit out my drink! Brilliant!

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 4:59 p.m. CST

    I think the obvious thing about rebooting STTOS

    by Castlemonster

    that makes it most difficult is not the retarded mythology of there being a Star Trek "canon". It's that the original series was about the future from a 1960's perspective. Next to none of the original plotlines would work in a modern movie because the thinking outside the box of 1965 is very much inside of the box today. The show had a novelty back then that has had 45 years to become worn out. From that perspective, the JJ Abrahms movie could have been totally execrable. Granted, I can think of a lot of ways it could have been better. If only they'd had more time to establish the cast but that's the rules they had to play by.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 5 p.m. CST

    The shit people call good this days!

    by AsimovLives

    Jar Jar Abrams' SHIT RETARD TREK being mistaken for a good movie. Unbelievable! The gods are cruel pranksters, they mock us for their amusement!

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 5:01 p.m. CST

    Oh, and Rick Berman takes tribbles up the ass

    by Castlemonster

    He's the one you should be ragging on.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 5:01 p.m. CST

    Jar Jar Abrams's SHIT TREK TOO: THE RETARDNESS OF KAHN in 2012

    by AsimovLives

    Idiocracy's ASS: THE MOVIE has a release date and a title.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 5:01 p.m. CST

    Well, here too...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...for that matter. Suspiria let Argento cross over in a way Fulci never did. But damn if Fulci didn't make some awfully good horror back in the day. Seriously, Zombie (which you might also find as Zombi or Zombie 2, because in Italy it was marketed as a sequel to Dawn of the Dead) is one of the most mean-spirited zombie movies you'll ever see. Really one of the horror essentials.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 5:03 p.m. CST

    Castlemonster

    by AsimovLives

    He's little game compared to the elephantine-size retard idioticy of Jar Jar Abrams.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 5:04 p.m. CST

    Hey Red Ned Lynch...

    by Dr. Samuel Loomis

    I own Zombie, and I also agree with you. But did Fulci do any other good horror flicks? Didn't he do City of the Dead?

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 5:05 p.m. CST

    A RETARD FOR ALL SEASONS

    by AsimovLives

    The title of the biopic about Jar Jar Abrams.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 5:08 p.m. CST

    Castlemonster

    by AsimovLives

    The original Star Trek was also, and fundamentally, about good enjoyable intelligent fun SF stories. Emphasis on inteligent. A notion that went completly off on Jar Jar Abrams, in his effort to remake Star Wars.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 5:11 p.m. CST

    "Jar Jar Abrams"?

    by AmericanWerewolf

    Oh, I get it! 'Cuz his initials are "J.J." and he reminds you of that hapless creature from Phantom Menace... That's good, man. Fucking brilliant. You are something SPECIAL!!

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 5:11 p.m. CST

    blakindigo

    by Kaiser Soze

    Glad someone appreciated the humor intended. Basically I was just curious if his panties could twist any further. ABRAMSLIVES!

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 5:12 p.m. CST

    AmericanWerewolf

    by Kaiser Soze

    he's definitely SPECIAL

  • too fuckin easy...

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 5:15 p.m. CST

    Issac Asimov nowhere near as talented as JJ Abrams

    by quantize

    for real!

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 5:15 p.m. CST

    I don' think Abrams is the problem,

    by Star Hump

    well, the MAIN problem. Lens flares and brewery sets not withstanding. I really enjoyed MI3. Thats was a very entertaining spy flick. I think it's the 2 screenwriters for Trek. Plus the idea to recast the original crew smacks of laziness. Cool new characters would have been much more exciting (just keep that Berman dude away). But Abrams seems like a guy who can put together a fun adventure movie. His movies have a bright, crisp, modern look; they flow well. I've never seen Lost, but the guy seems pretty talented to me.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 5:16 p.m. CST

    Jar Jar vs JJ

    by quantize

    Oh shit did you see what AssholeLives did there? Thats fuckin genius isn't it?.. <p> Witty as fuck those Portugese.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 5:16 p.m. CST

    yall niggas postin in a troll thread

    by Dr. Samuel Loomis

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 5:17 p.m. CST

    Castlemonster...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...I'll agree with you up to a point. One of the things that plagued TNG was that they tried to be outside the box in the same way the original series was, and it almost always came off as a weak and silly echo. <p> But plot-wise Abrams was only interested in making a space opera, so there wasn't even an attempt at going outside the box. Now for a summer movie doing anything else would have been folly, and Abrams genius has always resided more in the marketing and style of his product than the substance. <p> Do I think he could have made a better, even a much, much better Star Trek? Sure I do. Do I think that movie would have been as successful as the movie he made? Probably not. Did he give me enough, even as a lifelong lover of the original series, to not hate what he did? Yes. I was smiling through nearly every moment of screen time Kirk and McCoy shared, and Quinto had a few fine moments as Spock, too. <p> In the end I think Abrams' success was more one of product placement than film making, but he did revitalize a franchise that had been dying of a decades long wasting disease.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 5:18 p.m. CST

    AsimovLives2 : The Endless Wrath of a Loser

    by quantize

    or Gremlins 4, Basement Jockey

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 5:18 p.m. CST

    and out of nowhere

    by Kaiser Soze

    comes Dr Loomis with the racist language

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 5:21 p.m. CST

    oh come on

    by Dr. Samuel Loomis

    I was just joking.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 5:23 p.m. CST

    And the Don Quixote Award ges to...

    by AmericanWerewolf

    AssymuffGasps!

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 5:28 p.m. CST

    Dr. Samuel Loomis...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    Yes (though in my opinion Zombie is his best). And he did do City of the Dead (also known as The Gates of Hell). That's got some great stuff but is even a little less coherent than Zombie. <p> He made one of the five or six most repulsively violent westerns ever made, Four of the Apocalypse. He also made a lot of bad post Mad Max action stuff. But he made some fairly righteous horror. <p> The Beyond is fairly intense. House By The Cemetery is fun. I know people who really like Demonia, but I'm not one of them. <p> He also did a lot of giallos. Some people don't like giallos, but he made two, The New York Ripper and Don't Torture a Duckling, that are pretty intense. He made a few others that are favorites of giallo lovers, Lizard in a Woman's Skin, Murder to the Tune of Seven Notes (which I think was released as The Psychic in the US), and Th House of Clocks. <p> Really a bunch more, too, but I *think* I've hit all the big ones.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 5:31 p.m. CST

    Thanks man.

    by Dr. Samuel Loomis

    I have a lot of homework to do I see. But I do enjoy Zombie, mainly because it has a zombie fighting a shark at one point, very nice.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 5:34 p.m. CST

    I was about twelve...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...the first time I saw it. And I was certain he'd really put out that woman's eye.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 6:02 p.m. CST

    my mistake

    by Kaiser Soze

    just not a fan of that word ("a" at the end notwithstanding) - it's cool though, no harm done - come on, just to show there's no hard feelings, can I get an "ABRAMSLIVES" :)

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 6:07 p.m. CST

    The Mayans don't even believe in the 2012 bullshit

    by ShiniGamiSan

    That just the end of one of over a dozen calendars. Fuck

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 6:13 p.m. CST

    Yeah, the plot was purely disposable

    by Castlemonster

    The important thing was to capture some of the aesthetic. It had to look like an OS reboot, with a 21st century gloss. Now all the pretty little characters are in their place, so that shouldn't serve as a distraction in the sequel. They should have gotten Nimoy to dub for Quinto, though. His tinny voice just takes me out of it. When Nimoy dies they should transplant his voicebox into Quinto. Hopefully that's in his contract.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 6:22 p.m. CST

    Yeah the reboot gets less appealing

    by brobdingnag

    on additional views. I liked it in the theater but have since seen it again and was much less impressed. I guess it was ok but it really wasn't Trek. There was no exploration of moral issues or really even of space or alien culture. It certainly wasn't as good as II, or IV. For that matter I would rather watch First Contact (VIII) again.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 6:25 p.m. CST

    Hey ALINO....don't forget your STINO meme..

    by DrMorbius

    STINO: Sphincter Tossing Is Normal in Oporto.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 6:53 p.m. CST

    Guess it's subjective, brobdingnag.

    by AmericanWerewolf

    When I viewed it a second time, I was impressed by how well it held up. Perhaps it's only me, but I found it refreshing that there was no overt exploration of moral issues. We got beat over the head by that shit on Next Generation. Maybe some folks are into that, but I don't like being preached at by my entertainment. J.J. is a storyteller that peppers his mythology with insights on human nature, so maybe there'll be more of that in the sequels.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 7:03 p.m. CST

    In the original series the space-academy era Kirk

    by Castlemonster

    is described as a stack of books on legs, meaning he read all the manuals (whether or not he intended to adhere to them) and got the best grades. But now we know that people won't be carrying around stacks of books in the 23rd century. Where does that fit in your "canon" trekkie retards? How about "Irritating? Ah yes. One of your earth emotions." Irritating is an emotion? Explain, please, trekkie retards. I can go through the original series line by line and point out how it completely obliterates the idea of a "canon" and all the canon retards can do is crap their pants. Abrams should have just broadcast an invitation to all trekkies to drop dead and don't even think about going to my movie because I don't want to hear shit from you retards and then he should have proceeded to do whatever the hell he and dispensed the idiotic archaic alternate timeline premise. No red matter, no destruction of vulcan and no starfleet academy. It should have just started, like the original series, on the bridge of the frikking Enterprise!

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 7:07 p.m. CST

    Damn, Castlemonster...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...minus all the anger I could scarcely agree with you more.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 7:10 p.m. CST

    Although I would add...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...that he would have needed to do something big that shattered the billion pounds of stultifying, hierophant guarded future history dogma somewhere in the film.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 7:13 p.m. CST

    I hate this crap...

    by PurityOfEssence

    2012 is a hodgepodge of new age appropriation and misinterpretation of an indigenous populations belief systems, throw in some aliens, pseudoscience, parapsychology, and apocalyptic prognostication and you've got yourself a phenomenon.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 7:14 p.m. CST

    And also...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...spending my kidhood after the original show but before TNG I grew up worshiping the original Trek. <p> Somehow, over the years, the dogma of the universe just got completely out of whack.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 7:18 p.m. CST

    Nothing in the original series makes any logical

    by Castlemonster

    sense. But it had the magic. The magic was mined out over the next couple of series and you can't truly get it back. I wish it weren't so. What we have today is Fool's Gold magic. And JJ Abrams gave us such a dazzling piece of Fool's Gold that it you wished to hard enough you could almost forget wasn't just a little bit magic. My attitude is, okay the premise is established: GO. And don't screw it up like you did the first movie. Remember, the first Trek movie, with Vger and a bald Persis Khambatta, totally blew.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 7:19 p.m. CST

    But alternate timelines are cool!

    by AmericanWerewolf

    Seriously, hitting the reset button was a ballsy, much-needed step. I love old Trek as much as the next geek, but if he hadn't introduced such a significant, continuity-shattering event, Abrams would've been stuck recycling tired Trek concepts. This way, things are more open to possibilities and that's a good thing.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 7:22 p.m. CST

    I'd rather read about this news in the form of...

    by ricarleite2

    ... fake subtitles for the Hitler video.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 7:25 p.m. CST

    Yeah, I know, I'm angry at the trektards

    by Castlemonster

    because they've piled so much shit on the beloved original series and assumed ownership of it like pigeons taking over a statue. And they made a worthwhile reboot a hopeless task.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 7:26 p.m. CST

    AmericanWerewolf...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...and that is fine. What I think Castlemonster is saying, though (and I'm sure he'll correct me if I'm wrong)is that as the creator of the movie Abrams didn't need to go through all the (pretty damn lame) make work of setting up the alternate timeline. He could have just started the movie and done whatever he liked. <p> I think he'd have gotten away with it. I think the reaction to the movie he did make pretty well proves he could have gotten away with it. <p> But I do believe he would have had to make something so radically different in the structure of the universe that it would have broken the Tower of London the Trek mythology had become.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 7:27 p.m. CST

    THERE IS NO FREKKING "CONTINUITY"

    by Castlemonster

    IN THE ORIGINAL SERIES! THEY DIDN'T GIVE A DAMN! Hopeless...

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 7:34 p.m. CST

    Perhaps you're right, Ned.

    by AmericanWerewolf

    But I for one appreciate the gesture on his part. No doubt some folks here would've jumped at the opportunity to point out how arrogant such a move would have been.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 7:39 p.m. CST

    No, but announcing...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...in some way, within the film, that this was a "fresh" Trek was essential to making it a success. <p> I agree with your idea that it didn't have to be an alternate time-line that served as the plot of the movie and still bent knee in homage to the existing mythology (and yes, it did all spring up after the original series, but it was part of the current cultural understanding of the show, and that cultural perception had to be smashed in some way for any revitalization to successfully proceed). <p> It could have been almost anything, but it would have to be something within the reality of the film that made it clear that all of the tertiary histories and pseudo-sciences that had attached themselves to Trek no longer applied.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 7:40 p.m. CST

    American Werewolf...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...are you kidding? Some folks? Here? It would have been a bloodbath!

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 7:41 p.m. CST

    Those...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...would have been some talkbacks.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 7:45 p.m. CST

    Chill out, Castlemonster.

    by AmericanWerewolf

    Mayhap there there is no continuity. And suppose you're right, that's the way it was originally intended: We live in an age where a fuckton of literature has been published on this series, and to a legion of Trekkies, that shit is REAL.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 7:48 p.m. CST

    Red Ned...

    by AmericanWerewolf

    You ain't lyin'!

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 7:51 p.m. CST

    I can just hear...

    by AmericanWerewolf

    The fanatics pulling out their Starfleet Engineering Manuals now.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 8 p.m. CST

    Yeah, the ugliness...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...that ensued would have been a thing of beauty. <p> And I'm not absolutely sure you're not right. I would have rather seen that other movie, with mostly the same cast and aesthetic, but all that paraphernalia (and by the way, I blame those original Star Trek blueprints most of all...but maybe it came earlier, maybe all the way back with Spock Must Die and Spock Messiah) may have been too strong in the public mind. Maybe it took a movie that blared that it was different so loudly it became the headline of every review. <p> I'll still miss the talkbacks that could have been.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 8:33 p.m. CST

    LOL Oh Gimpy one...

    by Skyway Moaters

    Consider me smacked down right and proper. I could never hope to match your wit. Har har har. Yew crack me up dood.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 9:02 p.m. CST

    Oy! Oy! You saw that didn't you?!

    by Skyway Moaters

    That slimy little 12 year old drooler called me a fucking CUNT. Ooooh, ya' got me Asslicker. I, I, I don't think I can take it anymore! Where's my strait razor? What was I thinking? Critisizing a drooling moron for his mangled, un-readable self promoting, condescending REPETITIVE blather? I'm off to kill myself.Ta ta, you illiterate asswipe motherfuckers! You won't have Moaters to kick around anymore! *SOB* A pox on ALL your houses! YOU HAVE MADE WORM'S MEAT OF ME! .... Erk... *dies* (After the hot tub water becomes ruby red with his life's blood, as it wantonly gushes from the gaping vertical wounds to his wrists): AAAAAaaaaggg... *SPLASH!*

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 9:06 p.m. CST

    I'm a Gr'up and I want to help you.

    by Castlemonster

    That is all.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 9:11 p.m. CST

    AsimovLives

    by p0llk4t

    Have you ever touched pussy in your life? And goat pussy doesn't count douche bag. Another thing...who would ever want to speak Portuguese? It's by far the most feminine sounding language on this planet. French sounds gangster by comparison. Douche.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 9:17 p.m. CST

    2012: companies saw money made from 2000

    by TakingScorpiosCalls

    They saw how much money was made from on y2k apocalypse so they strung up another shit swirl for 2012, little shit like the title of this article also helps fan the bullshit hysteria. Thanks a lot!!!!

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 9:27 p.m. CST

    LOL RedNed... "oh gimpy one"... never mind...

    by Skyway Moaters

    You are TOO funny. Ha ha... erm, ha...

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 9:37 p.m. CST

    Kirk vs The Mayans!!

    by luke_lymon

    Now THAT's a story!!! Kirk gets seduced in a pyramid after passing through a secret portal. There, he dons a Native American outfit and saves the planet from meteors. I can't wait. -- Seriously, Abrams and Star Trek 2...very nice!!

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 10:11 p.m. CST

    I FOUND DEVIN FARACI'S FAVORITE MUSIC VIDEO!!!

    by TehCreepyThinMan

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f27K1RN4ceU

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 10:22 p.m. CST

    It can be as bad as Boborci and the other guy

    by kabong

    want to make it . . . because it's a reboot. <P> It's a reboot, haters. <P> *Clapping hands like an imbecile*

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 10:30 p.m. CST

    p0llk4t

    by DrMorbius

    AssLives never has touched a pussy, especially goat pussy, goat sphincter, NOW you're talkin' his language. Baaaassssimov. ALINO

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 11:14 p.m. CST

    Castlemonster

    by BurnHollywood

    "In the original series the space-academy era Kirk is described as a stack of books on legs, meaning he read all the manuals (whether or not he intended to adhere to them) and got the best grades. But now we know that people won't be carrying around stacks of books in the 23rd century. Where does that fit in your "canon" trekkie retards?"<p> Here's a paradox: Why do people who so freely use words like "retard", "idiot", "stupid", "boring", etc. so frequently make retarded, idiotic, stupid or boring statements themselves? Freudian projection?<p> So, the fact that we're moving into the e-book era means that the description of Kirk as a "stack of book on legs" is invalid, and instead it's therefore necessary to now portray him as a risk-happy douchebag with a sassy attitude? This is such a weird conclusion to arrive at that the mind boggles.<p> (So, if I were to describe a politician as being a "modern day Jacobite", that means he wears a powdered wig and has frilly cuffs, or if I suggested a philosopher's notions harken back to Plato's, that means he wears a toga in public, too, right?)<p> All that needs to be said about Orci/Kurtzman's Kirk is that they're such a pair of hamfisted hacks who fall back on stereotype when they can't put their feeble minds together to go for a deeper characterization (witness their charmingly racist duo from TF2).<p> They couldn't wrap their puny brains around the notion of Kirk simultaneously being an intellectual who uses that wisdom in his alternate role as a man of action (dispensing with Spock's meticulous calculation in favor of his wiser instincts when the clock's ticking), so they made him a rash dumbass who has God, The Universe And Everything (or Deux, as in "Deux Ex Machina") looking over his shoulder when the chips are down, like when he's stranded on Tatooine (er, I mean "Alpha Vega").<p> It's a pandering construct meant to flatter the adolescent mindset of youngsters thinking they have one up on their elders, and pandering is what these two schlock-generators do best.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 11:22 p.m. CST

    "Jacobin", not "Jacobite"...

    by BurnHollywood

    My bad. A Jacobite would probably wear a kilt...

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 11:37 p.m. CST

    Actually, that wasn't my point.

    by Castlemonster

    My point was that every other moment of the original series makes a laughingstock the notion that a canon could have been built upon it. The canon belongs to all that shit that came after the original series, starting with the moment that we see that Klingons actually have crab-shells growing out of their skulls. Since this was supposed to be a reboot of the original series, there should have been no responsibility to adhere to the ravings of the canonical twits who call themselves trekkies, who deserve to be mocked as retards because of all of the damage they've done. Reminding them of their stupidity in flying so long in the face of the fact that the original series was a colorful mythology not a Holy Buybull like all the Berman crap.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 11:41 p.m. CST

    And I was assuredly not a fan of Annakin

    by Castlemonster

    Tiberius Kirk. They should have saved the flashbacks for later on in the series when audiences had enough time to warm to the "new" characters..

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 11:43 p.m. CST

    I Just Can't Respect Asimov's Opinion

    by FreeBeer

    The opinion of somebody who doesn't respect the opinion of others and believes those who disagree with his views to be intellectually inferior to him just doesn't hold any weight with me. Asimov is a blind, egotistical fool, and if he were a true movie lover would listen to what other people have to say. I know he doesn't listen, because more than once he has misinterpreted my posts because he didn't bother reading them the whole way through, the mere mention of Trek sending him into a moronical frenzy. Asimov is a complete joke, and not half as smart as he thinks he is. Any man that would sooner believe millions of people have been brainwashed into thinking a movie is entertaining rather than accept the fact that it might just be possible he didn't appreciate a good movie needs his head examined, and just cannot be taken at all seriously, I mean it's laughable really.

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 11:48 p.m. CST

    True dat, FreeBeer.

    by AmericanWerewolf

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 11:51 p.m. CST

    Not Liking Trek Is Just Fine

    by FreeBeer

    But thinking the majority of people who enjoyed it are idiots is not. As I said before, boxoffice doesn't equals quality, but Trek is different than the likes of Trans2 in that the many that did go to see it came out having enjoyed it, unlike Trans2 where many went to see it, but most saw it for the piece of crap it was. And while we're at it, wasn't your number 1 worst movie of the year Salvation? Why don't you rant and rave about that like you do Trek? Why aren't you so obsessed? I'll tell you why, because most people agreed with you on Salvation, most peoplle thought it was poor. What really pisses you off about Trek and why you CAN'T STOP ON ABOUT IT is that most people disagree with you, and that's just not acceptable now is it? Everyone must agree with Asimov cos Asimov is always right!! Go you're some piece of work

  • Jan. 9, 2010, 11:56 p.m. CST

    If you don't like the new Star Trek

    by Castlemonster

    blame the canonical trekkies first and foremost. Grind them into the dust. And then turn your wrath on the note-writing lunch-monkeys of Hollywood next. And Abrams isn't even next in line.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 12:11 a.m. CST

    And What Is This Asimov??

    by FreeBeer

    "The more you fuck up, the better. And how better for you to fuck up then to have in it a dumbed down, retard version of the iconic character of Khan? I say, the more Jar Jar Abrams' fucks up, the more fun it gets. So, Jar Jar Abrams, pleas,e put Khan in your next SHIT TREK movie. And klingons. And romulans. And borgs. No, really, fill your movie up, the more the merrier. and please, don't forget to make your movie topical. It will be a blast to watch your retard dumb stupid atempt at topicality in your own retard version of Star Trek. Don't rob me my laughs." You realise with this post you've done nothing but prove to all us that you are a sad excuse of a movie fan? You see, true movie lovers like myself hope for good movies to be made so we can enjoy them, whereas you are actually hoping the next Trek film is terrible, just so you can rant and rave and bitch and call people retards some more. I bet you will be seriously diappointed if the next Trek film turns out to be one of the truely great sequels, like The Dark Knight or Empire Strikes Back. I bet if it is we won't be hearing a peep out of you.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 12:26 a.m. CST

    Trek XII as good as as TESB or TDK?

    by Coordinate_System

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 12:27 a.m. CST

    Trek XII as good as as TESB or TDK?

    by Coordinate_System

    Well it might happen. But I'd be surprised if I end up owing Castlemonster any Quatloos.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 12:37 a.m. CST

    Avatar is crap

    by FSJGuy

    Its McDonalds for the masses, you know its crap, but love it, cuz thats what everyone does, Star Trek is more like a home cooked meal, not perfect, but it makes up for it cuz its heartfelt. You wanna love 3D and the WAY over recycled plot, go ahead, i'll enjoy my home cooked meal.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 12:41 a.m. CST

    What's for dinner?

    by Castlemonster

    Beans? AGAIN? I hate you, mom!

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 12:53 a.m. CST

    But Mom, can't you just bring it down to me...

    by DrMorbius

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 1:16 a.m. CST

    Earthquake in California today.

    by Castlemonster

    But it's only 2010, so no worries. The only explosions until then will be made by Michael Bay and maybe Travolta if he gets any fatter.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 1:23 a.m. CST

    2012, that is...

    by Castlemonster

    *That* one went down my leg. Oh well...

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 1:25 a.m. CST

    I am a former Trekkeie/Trekker

    by beane2099

    I used to know the power output in megajoules of a phase from the TNG Enterprise vs the power of a SW Star Destroyer. This is a background on my dorkiness. I knew Star Trek cannon in and out, and finally decided it was collapsing under it's own weight. I disliked what it turned into. Given that trek was deader than dead I think AbramsLives (awesome) did an unbelievable thing. He paid more homage to cannon than it deserved (read the prequel comic and you'll get what I mean by that) and found a clever way to give us fresh stories with established/now unestablished characters. I agree that AbramsLives (awesome) probably should have said F cannon, and gone for a straight reboot, but he respected it enough to construct a whole plot around it. My favorite thing is that all 7 characters got at least one moment to shine, which is something you never had on TOS. It was always the big 3.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 1:49 a.m. CST

    And yet another post about AssimovLives

    by beane2099

    No one is knocking your ethnicity dude. But if English ain't your strong suit than you ought not be trying to construct satirical whiticisms in said language. I don't enter skate boarding contests cause I know I'd bust my ass. In your case it's not how your saying it, but what you're saying that's the issue. It's completely and unecessarily hateful, not to mention unfounded. "Star Trek is terrible and that means Jar Jar Abrams is homosexual and retarded" sums up 90% of your posts. And why is being gay an insult? If someone likes dice dangled on their forehead that has nothing to do with what kind of person they are or what kind of talent they have (or don't have). And when you list other reasons for hating new Trek and someone debates this, you resort to comments of homosexuality and retardation again. Disagreeing with you does not make one retarded or homosexual. This small number of responses creates the image of a child like intellect, which makes your claim of other people being idiots seem sad.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 2:14 a.m. CST

    My take on Trek 2...

    by BRUTICUS

    Spock Prime... uhh Nimoy pretty much HAS to return. Even if he stays behind on Earth or to colonize a new planet for Vulcans. Here's an idea: maybe he will need to terraform a planet (Genesis) and Khan gets involved this way (he knows how to find the Genesis machine from Wrath of Khan. <p><p> However, i'd rather NOT see Khan in the second film. Why would they want to mirror what happened in the old films after all the feats they made in creating this new take on the universe? I think for this story we really need one more movie to solidify our new Spock as a character we care about. We need to see him in a movie as the Spock we remember. Because to me, he really wasn't Spock in that movie. Similar features. Similar gestures. The core, soul of the character was not Nimoy's Spock though. TOO MUCH EMOTION. That needs to be gone in the next movie in my opinion. Or atleast put in the backseat. That aside, it was a great movie.<p><p> Cameos? FUCK THAT. Cameos are shit. Seriously? WHy make a parody of Trek? NO CAMEOS. Only characters who have a place in THIS STORY. No time wasted on nostalgia fan wanks... Lets just concentrate on making another good movie.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 2:28 a.m. CST

    Oh, Asi...

    by ebonic_plague

    ...you crazy masochist. You really set yourself up for all this abuse. Keep in mind this is coming from someone who originally couldn't stand your posts but realized after a while that the sanctimonious preaching you do about certain movies is just the only way you know how to express your opinions. It's become a little running joke on AICN, as any regular who clicked this headline would know. But you must know that whining incessantly about something you claim to hate, but have consciously chosen to practically define your whole identity on this forum, no matter the topic, is a good way to antagonize pretty much everyone with a differing opinion. Not fact. Opinion. Such as your OPINION that Star Trek sucked. Yet you still choose to wade into every one of these TB's with your shit on full snotty blast. You're just asking for people to flame you. It's called trolling. You're a natural born. Which is fine, this is a protected habitat for trolls, but don't pretend you're doing this for any other reason than to get a rise out of the peanut gallery here. Seriously, Andy Kaufman had nothing over you, but like his friends advised him, do yourself a favor and give it a rest for once, before your precious white whale kills you.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 2:45 a.m. CST

    "That said..."

    by ebonic_plague

    ...it is our God given right as Americans to make fun of foreigners speaking broken english, no matter the forum. I think we learned it from the French.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 3:09 a.m. CST

    All of Star Trek Sucked until The Remake

    by Rene_Belloq_12inch_Figure

    All the shows and movies sucked, old men sitting in a chair acting like its a spaceship and people with old man asses in their forheads acting like aliens. STAR TREK SUCKED.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 4:14 a.m. CST

    2012: End of an AGE - NOT the world

    by smellmycheese

    The Age of Pisces, in which we have lived for the last (approx) 2000 years, will be ending in 2012. The new age, The Age of Aquarius, will begin when it ends. The "world" is not going to end. The "age" is going to end. It is an astrological event of little significance and will go largely unnoticed. <br><br>The only thing 2012 will be remembered for is the title of a very shitty movie, a lot of hullabaloo akin to the "millennium bug", and the 3rd year of the great global depression, which commences properly, following the global withdrawal of government stimulus, this year. <br><br>But, yeah, a new Star Trek film is going to be cool. I hope we can all afford to buy a ticket to see it.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 4:39 a.m. CST

    CastleMonster

    by BurnHollywood

    "My point was that every other moment of the original series makes a laughingstock the notion that a canon could have been built upon it."<p> Um, you're aware that before TeamAbrams happened along, a canon WAS built upon it, consisting of four TV series (totalling twenty-five seasons) and ten movies, plus countless novels and short stories, right? Forty years of canon, in fact...or does that all go out the window now and we have to contain ourselves to the original three seasons just to justify Abrams/Orci/Kurtzman and their "vision"?<p> Don't get me wrong...I actually take a perverse pleasure from watching the DAWSON'S Trekkies twist into pretzels trying to warp logic to cover for the impossibly lazy writing on this misfire.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 5:11 a.m. CST

    Wake me when they reboot again.

    by Dingbatty

    This iteration will only get a few more entries, as this cast isn't in it for the long haul like the TV cast was.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 5:14 a.m. CST

    Jar Jar Abrams' RETARD TREK TOO: SHIT HAPPENS

    by AsimovLives

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 5:16 a.m. CST

    FreeBeer

    by AsimovLives

    And who says i give a fig about that, friend? If you want me to respect your opinion, how about you actually deliever some valid, rational, intelligent reasions for why i should mistake Jar Jar Abrams' SHIT TREK for a good movie? Hem? How about that? And no, the "i think it's fun" doesn't count.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 5:19 a.m. CST

    "Issac Asimov nowhere near as talented as JJ Abrams"

    by AsimovLives

    The words of a retard. Also, it's Isaac Asimov, not Issac, you ass! Show some fucking respect for the people that actualy brough some respect and dignity to Science fiction, instead of fuckers like Jar Jar Abrams that robs it. Too much to ask, hack lover?

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 5:21 a.m. CST

    The Raise Of The Jar Jar Abrams Dick Suckers

    by AsimovLives

    How to detect them? Easy, they all bash me for daring not to follow the partyline and mindlessly fanatically praise one of the worst miserably untalented dumb hack working today. They are easy to spot.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 5:26 a.m. CST

    ebonic_plague

    by AsimovLives

    You must also remember that i used to write thousands adn thousands of words detailying exactly why Shit Trek and the fucker who directed it was bad. and for all my troubles, all i git was the same usual dumb shit as responses. Well, my new posts about this crap shit of a movie might be smaller and merely on the offensive side, but i get the same exact responses. so, i stick only to the insults, saves me some effort. I mean, the result was just the same, wasn't it? I just found out that i can't reason with a Jar Jar Abrams's dick sucker and with the fanatic lovers of the Dumb Shit Trek. Can you blame me, really?<br><br>And yeah, i can't wait for SHIT TREK TOO. The laughs at it will be great! Can't hardly wait!

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 5:30 a.m. CST

    AsimovLives

    by David Cloverfield

    They don't bash you for daring not to follow the party line. They bash you, because you behave lika an idiot. Behaving like an idiot is a must for talkbacks, but you take it to the extreme. JJ Trek hate seems to be such a huge part of your world, it's funny. All this energy invested in fighting subjective opinions, basically coming down to "You are wrong, you don't like choclete ice cream. I don't, how could anybody.". You are one tiny step away from stalking the filmmakers you don't like. Also, you have in your name one of the greatest science fiction authors that ever lived, you obviously appreciate smart entertainment, yet, you behave like a goddamn five year old. What would Asimov think if he got a print out of the posts of his fan? I'm not him, but I'm willing to bet he would think you are godless stupid.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 5:36 a.m. CST

    David Cloverfield

    by AsimovLives

    Certainly no more idiot then anybody who mistakes SHIT TREK for a good movie and can't provide a minimum thoughful reasonable excuse for doing so, hem?<br><br>And beside,s this Jar Jar Abrasm's dick suckers own me. this idiots ganged on me just for not likign the movie, at the time when i still bothered to be polite and explain the reasons why the movie is bad. Their tactics was always for direct personal insult and provide no reasons whatsoever while demanding everything from those who didnt' folowed their partyline.<br>And yes, it is about partyline. The acceptance of SHIT TREK as a good movie is one of the most severe cases of group-thinkign and partyline blind following ever in AICN. And owe he who does not follow it! Well, i know it too well. And i'm paying back the kindness. And if i am to account that for every post i did retracting the movie there were 20 faantics gangbanging on me, i say there's still some years of abuse at this fuckign shittymovei,the fucking hack who made it, and the pissants who devoured it like zombies, for quite a few many mroe years. Well, at the very least, until the sequel cames.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 5:37 a.m. CST

    Also, Shit Trek?

    by David Cloverfield

    At least make some effort. You can be a troll/crazy person and still display some wit.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 5:39 a.m. CST

    David Cloverfield

    by AsimovLives

    Read my post above, there was a time i even showed some respect for the fucking movie. But the fanatics who resorted to personal insults erased all that away. To call Jar Jatr Abrams's shitty movie SHIT TREK is an act of kindness. It deserves worst. Is my actions reactive? You bet your ass it is!

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 5:39 a.m. CST

    SHIT TREK TOO: MORE SHIT

    by AsimovLives

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 5:40 a.m. CST

    Excuse for liking a movie?

    by David Cloverfield

    I think the whole concept of entertainment is lost on you. And yes. You are more of an idiot than them. They spent two hours liking a bad movie. You spend months and lots of waking hours hating one. Who let a bad movie influence his life more?

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 5:44 a.m. CST

    Dude, read back you words in talkback alone

    by David Cloverfield

    and then see, if this is a person, you would like to hang out with. The 20 "fanatics gangbanging on you" are gone or don't care. Never seen them. Only seen you. Parrotting the same shit. You're like the kid who's an asshole who nobody likes as a grown up becouse some bully beat his ass and put him in the locker once, and now as a grown up he's completely on the offensive, seeing enemies/rivals everywhere, even though high school is over, and the bullies are long gone.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 5:52 a.m. CST

    it's about itme AsimovLives was banned

    by Player_Two_has_entered_the_game

    Don't know about you guys, but i'm couting all that jar jar bullshit as spam and the constant hacking on new star trek fans as trolling now. We all know it's know going to just be "SHIT TREK TOO!" over and over until your eyeballs bleed. Time for the fucker to go!

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 6:23 a.m. CST

    The Dum Guy we're still here to talk about Atlantis

    by DOGSOUP

    So that doesn't fly.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 6:24 a.m. CST

    Player_Two_has_entered_the_gam e

    by AsimovLives

    You jsut proved yourself to be a fascist. Good job. I knew there was soemthing wrong and pretty fascist-like among the more ardent ferverous supporters of Jar Jar Abrams's latest movie.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 6:29 a.m. CST

    David Cloverfield

    by AsimovLives

    No, it's not. It's lost on people like you. I lose none of the significance of paying money to watch a movie and be given a bad product. I lost none of the significance of the notion that it's the movie who has to do the job to entertaine me, not me to give excuses for the movie and the filmmakers to justify their lack of intelligence and storytelling skills.<br><br>In fact, every reasons that you epople who like Jar Jar Abrams's movie reads like a list of excuses. None is a reason, all are excuses. And yes, if you are going to claim a mvoie is good, you better coem up with REAL reasons. Or else do what many more honest people who liked the mvoei do, they know the movie is dumb, stupid, incoherent and flawed, but they admit to liek it despiste the flaws. they don't msitake it for good, only as a guilty pleasure. It's still wrong, but at least there's a reason behind it that's understadable and impossible to argue with. Got it now, friend?

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 6:32 a.m. CST

    "i'm couting all that jar jar bullshit as spam"

    by AsimovLives

    Words of the mindless fanatic, ladies and gentlemen. Democracy must be such a burden for you, isn't it? Deal with it, some people don't agree with you, grow a backbone and a brain, will you?

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 6:32 a.m. CST

    AsimovLives, I wasn't talking to you

    by Player_Two_has_entered_the_game

    I was talking about you. I'm hardly a "ferverous supporter". The only thing I'd support here is seeing the back of you. You fill every star trek talkback with so much shit it's becoming a real waste of time and space here. Jesus! and that's said considering all the other inane bubble that goes on!

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 6:36 a.m. CST

    "I want to ban those who don't kiss ass to Jar Jar Abrams"

    by AsimovLives

    "BAN THE INFIDEL!!! Death to all who don't kiss the ass of Jar Jar Abrams! Away with all who don't take Jar Jar Abrams's SHIT TREK as gospel! Vade reto those who do nopt see the complete utter awesomeness of the retardness of Jar Jar Abrams's SHIT TREK! For Jar Jar Abrams is God and Shit Trek is his word made flesh! AVE JAR JAR ABRAMS! And ban the infidels! Ban the infidels! Ban the infidels! How dare they not be amazed and follow the party-line of LORD JAR JAR? Ban them, ban them all!!!"

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 6:37 a.m. CST

    Player_Two_has_entered_the_game

    by AsimovLives

    Nice words, fascist boy. You must be so proud of yourself, little man.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 6:42 a.m. CST

    AsimovLives, once you understand

    by Player_Two_has_entered_the_game

    that i'm talking not about love for the movie but your behaviour, we will continue this conversation about it. I've not once brought up my thoughts on the new Star Trek here. As it stands you don't know either way what I think of the film or jj abrams. I thought my first message and point was pretty clear. <p>Player two has left the game

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 7:05 a.m. CST

    We are going to get a Khan film,thats granted

    by ominus

    but that will happen when the reboot franchise starts declining.They keep Khan as an ace in their pocket.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 7:05 a.m. CST

    Player_Two_has_entered_the_game

    by BurnHollywood

    "I've not once brought up my thoughts on the new Star Trek here"<p> So...you're not here to talk about Abrams TREK at all, just to post insults and call for someone to be banned...<p> And you call AsimovLives the troll...LOL.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 7:13 a.m. CST

    AsimovLives thank you so much

    by Conans Sword

    thank you. ive been feeling a little depressed lately. im not really sure what i want to do with my life and just feel overwhelmed in general, worrying will i ever find something im truely passionate about.what do i want to do? will i ever find love etc. but then i come on here and see you acting like a fucking tool and i feel great. see i have trouble articulating myself and lack confidence in social situations at times. but by god when i see someone like you who can only communicate through hate and vulgarity, a man who clearly never moved on into adult maturity, it makes me feel good because i cant help but feel someone like you is always going to be deeply troubled and unhappy in life all the way though. all you have is this trolling thing on the internet, and clearly you have deep emotional problems. dont you see asimov? your fucked! ive been using the internet for years but ive never seen anyone quite like you lol.theres still hope for me because im nowhere near as far gone as you are :) i still have a chance at being happy in life? thank you asimov, youve made me feel great about myself :)

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 7:23 a.m. CST

    BurnHollywood

    by Player_Two_has_entered_the_game

    Not in this talkback yet. No. I was about to, but got sidetracked having to wade through all of Asimov's crap. Not sure what is considered trolling these days, but if pointing out someone is spamming the same thing over and over is one, then so be it. But I'll give my opinion on new trek now so to avoid becoming a hypocrite. I liked it. It was in my opinion a pretty successful reboot to a very tired franchise. I'm no jj abrams fanatic, but do like old and next gen Trek. For me I think he did a stella job. I great setup for hopefully some great adventures to come.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 7:45 a.m. CST

    Leave Rick Berman alone

    by ratpack223

    he saved Star Trek, when it was going down the drain. He's only fault was, that he remained on the bridge for too long.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 8:14 a.m. CST

    AsimovLives hate will bring on the apocalypse

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    the volumes of hate from one individual about one movie will cause the Earth's axis to change causing global devestation, the planet just can't handle all the hate. <p> Alternatively all the hate will come together and transform into a powerful demon which with its "hatefire" will destroy everything.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 8:31 a.m. CST

    "George Lucas is making new versions of the Star Wars movies!"

    by L.H.Puttgrass

    "And the 'Movie-Going-World' is shaken to it's core in disbelief!" <p> http://tinyurl.com/yl88sw4

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 8:52 a.m. CST

    im sure ill get torched

    by OfficerJunior

    but I like J.J's trek, i never was a trekker, never saw a episode or film, I thought it moved quick, Bana was a solid villian, and it set up Kirk and Spock nicely. So go ahead and torch me.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 9:36 a.m. CST

    AsimovLives, I wish I could help ya friend.

    by beane2099

    First, my apologies for misspelling your name previously. I wasn't trying to be witty there. However, if you look back I've posted quite a few cogent arguments for why that movie had some merit, but it seems when someone presents a valid point you dismiss it or resort to using explatives (curse words) and calling people retarded and/or stupid and/or gay. I like a good argument (It's why I date Hispanic women). That's one of the reasons I started posting here. This place seems to be fiesty. But debating you is a poitless endeavor, and frankly Trek isn't that important to me anymore. Personally I would advise that talkbackers just leave the guy alone to stew in his own opinion and treat his posts as sheer entertainment value.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 9:53 a.m. CST

    Asimov Lives

    by Kaiser Soze

    "they all bash me for daring not to follow the partyline" - this is not why they bash you...they bash you because you consistantly come on these boards and spew venom towards J.J. Abrams and anyone who likes him. What, did he eat your children or something. You constantly make an ass of yourself on these boards while attacking others for liking the financial resurrection of what was a stale, near-dead franchise. You proceed to say we're attacking you for your opinion while attacking anyone for theirs. You have, on several occasions, proven to most on these boards that you contribute nothing to the discussions except for the mad rantings of an angry (seemingly) teenager with sand in his vagina. If you came on here and expressed your thoughts in a constructive manner, that would be one thing. But you come on here to taunt, aggrivate, and troll. With all the kindness and intelligence you've shown, can you even be surprised that the majority has grown to despise you and call for your banishment? So you didn't like the new Star Trek. So most of the rest of us did. So what? GET THE FUCK OVER IT, DUDE! Seriously, how long are you going to harp on this? But in all honesty, with your lunatic postings, you make it fun and kind of like a game to bait you, because you take it and J.J. waaaaay too seriously. Harsh but true, dude. Oh, and one more thing: ABRAMSLIVES!

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 10:13 a.m. CST

    JJ Abrams is good at directing

    by kabong

    sequences he copies from other movies.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 11:37 a.m. CST

    I will not pay $13 bucks to see Star Wars in 3D..

    by conspiracy

    or any other old film. The 3D experience just does not add THAT MUCH to a film.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 11:40 a.m. CST

    Mayans Had Their Bloody Savage Side

    by Graphix67

    Their sacrificial rituals featured their victims being held down while their stomachs were gutted. Meanwhile, the "audience" would gather about and stab, pierce and bleed themselves as a smaller form of shared autosacrifice.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 11:41 a.m. CST

    Asimov

    by FreeBeer

    And who says i give a fig about that, friend? If you want me to respect your opinion, how about you actually deliever some valid, rational, intelligent reasions for why i should mistake Jar Jar Abrams' SHIT TREK for a good movie? Hem? How about that? And no, the "i think it's fun" doesn't count. How about you give some intellegent arguement on the other side of this debate, instead of repeating SHIT TREK and Jar Jar over and over you fucking douche. And wheres your hate for Salvation? You haven't answered my query on that have you you, you fucking ass. God man go get fucking laid or something!!

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 11:43 a.m. CST

    Kaiser Sose

    by FreeBeer

    Word!

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 11:44 a.m. CST

    Player_Two_has_entered_the_game

    by BurnHollywood

    "I was about to, but got sidetracked having to wade through all of Asimov's crap."<p> That's funny...I didn't realize that a person is forced to wade through anything on a Talkback. I must be doing it all wrong...I just skip the posts that don't interest me...

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 11:48 a.m. CST

    JJ's Trek is ⅝ as good as ALIEN³

    by savagedave

    Discuss.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 11:58 a.m. CST

    savagedave

    by jackalcack

    I respectfully disagree. <p> Alien 3 is one of the most disappointing and redundant sequels of all time. It's the Godfather Part 3 of Science Fiction. <p> Star Trek on the other hand has completely refreshed a franchise that was to all intents and purposes utterly dead and irrelevant to the movie going public. <p> JJ Trek is not without its faults (Simon Pegg's horrible performance being my biggest gripe) but in my humble opinion was a fun and emotionally engaging ride and the best flick of the summer.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 12:01 p.m. CST

    Alien 3

    by Kaiser Soze

    I look at Alien 3 as David Fincher trying to get the crap out of his system before moving on to some truly inspired filmmaking. Fortunately for him, Alien Resurrection came along and made his entry look like a masterpiece. I DO give him props for putting Charles S. Dutton in his movie, though. Any film with Roc in it is at the very least tolerable.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 12:04 p.m. CST

    Good points, well made.

    by savagedave

    I look forward to Abrams reimagining of the ЌΛђЛ! storyline!

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 12:04 p.m. CST

    Why AsimovLives matters...

    by BurnHollywood

    Because if nobody complains, the law of depreciating returns kicks in and what was merely a mediocre, hyper, plot-hole-ridden act of screenwriting sloth will degenerate into something even more loathsome the next time around. Everyone who shrugs and mumbles out an "It was 'sokay" is perpetuating this cycle.<p> What's more, $385 million is a fairly middling success in this era of international releases. Box office profits for sequels have a near-certain depreciating return of their own, and concerns about the quality (and AL is hardly alone) will only curtail the next installment's take even further.<p> Long story short, the "haters" are actually doing a service for the franchise. Art requires adversity.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 12:07 p.m. CST

    The next one is being written by Lindelof

    by jackalcack

    This gives me faith it will be much better. <p> That, and the fact they've got the origin out of the way now.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 12:08 p.m. CST

    What Japanes Steak Guy thinks of Asimovlives

    by Dirk_The_Amoeba

    Assholelives, you goat raping, shit fucking, one legged Tranny by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tast es Jan 10th, 2010 12:20:38 AM<p> You piece of, molested Portuguese sewage! Fuck you, you racist cunt! You bitch swine shit eating son of crack whore goat fucker!<p> That is some funny shit!

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 12:16 p.m. CST

    Stirring the Shit

    by Dirk_The_Amoeba

    *snicker*

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 12:31 p.m. CST

    STAR TREK was...

    by SirBiatchReturns

    a piece of shit.<p>Thank you, and goodnight.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 12:36 p.m. CST

    THIS IS THE DAWNING OF THE AGE OF AQUARIUS

    by Rene_Belloq_12inch_Figure

    THE AGE OF AQUARIUUUUUUUUUUUS AQUARIUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUS!

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 12:38 p.m. CST

    JAR JAR ABRAMS WAS NEVER FUNNY TAKESITUPTHEASSIMOV.

    by Rene_Belloq_12inch_Figure

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 12:39 p.m. CST

    BurnHollywood, "Why AsimovLives matters..."

    by Player_Two_has_entered_the_game

    haha ok that's the funniest thing I've read here all week. There is a big difference between someone loving a movie, hating a movie and then just spamming the same thing over and over. It's boring and serves no purpose the 1000th time we read it. If you think he provides a valid service here and it helps a movie in anyway, then you are either an alt of AsimovLives, in love with him or completely insane. Man, it's a talkback about Star Trek! I'm completely embarrassed to have even engaged with either of you here. Toodle pip!

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 1 p.m. CST

    Just watched ST again

    by ominus

    yep it still remains a P.O.S crapfest.anyway.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 1:13 p.m. CST

    btw with have a ST topic and conspircay

    by ominus

    hasnt yet appeared with his next chapter of his fabulous saga.where the fuck is he?

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 1:13 p.m. CST

    btw with have a ST topic and conspircay

    by ominus

    hasnt yet appeared with his next chapter of his fabulous saga.where the fuck is he?

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 1:18 p.m. CST

    I'm sick Ominus...just not in the mood...

    by conspiracy

    besides given the Ban Hammer is hard at work; and considering just how fucked up I usually make my stories (Bay/Fox/Labeouf BDSM, underage hookers, Dakota Fanning, Lucas naked on a Jaba Throne, etc...), I wouldn't last the weekend. Maybe later...

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 1:31 p.m. CST

    Burnhollywood

    by Kaiser Soze

    There's a difference between honestly disliking a movie and voicing that opinion, and hating a movie and it's filmmaker to an absurd degree, without giving any rational explanation as to why he hates it soooo much with every fiber of his being. If he was constructive about it, that would be okay. But instead, he just comes on here with the same tired spiel with oh so clever one-liners such as "Jar Jar"-this and "Shit Trek"-that. Oh, and who can forget my personal favorites like "you are all a bunch of fucking retard morons for liking this movie that I don't". Those who don't like a movie matter. Those who act like adolescent trolls with their panties in a twist about it don't. Go back and read his posts from this thread alone. Then, honestly, can you say that any sane person involved with the sequel would waste their time reading even half of what he's written? No, they wouldn't, because after reading but a few of his unintelligent rants they would write him off as a fringe internet wierdo that is likely still in his tween years. That is, if the movie studio execs really spent their time reading the TB's on this site to begin with. Yes, conflicting voices should be heard to help improve a sequel. But his voice is nothing but misdirected hate and vitriol, and not only does that make him not matter in the least, but it makes him more and more despised as time wears on and he can't let it go. Kind of like JettL, only JettL's posts are good-natured annoying, rather than attack everyone else annoying.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 1:32 p.m. CST

    ok man np take care

    by ominus

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 1:55 p.m. CST

    I still like Richard Alpert for Khan

    by Kaiser Soze

    If they go that route. They could do a variation on the Space Seed story and really make Kirk/Khan's (reimagined) first encounter truly formiddable. Wrath of Khan-like scene chewing and intensity, but as a beginning, not an ending. That way, three or four sequels down the line, they'd be open to revisiting Khan. But honestly, I'd rather see a badass battle between the (sorta) new crew and the Kilngons, some really kick ass space battle stuff (the new Trek had some great ships and space shots, but not much in the way of huge space fights). Most of the fighting was person-to-person, next I'd like to see ship-to-ship. And yes, there is more lore to mine other than Khan or Klingons, but who else would ramp up the drama/action for the sequel? Harry Mudd? Comic relief, maybe. V'Ger? Eff that, V'Ger sucked donkey balls the first time around. Khan or the Klingons would truly give them an epic battle. In fact, the Klingons could see this as a good time to strike at the Federation, what with the loss of Vulcan and all. Perhaps we see the beginnings of a huge, multi-film war with the Klingons that is much more hostile than it was the first time around. And right smack dab in the middle of it, the come across a ship floating in space, with the designation Botany Bay on it...

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 1:58 p.m. CST

    BurnHollywood...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...yeah, but that mythology became such a crushing weight on the franchise that it pulverized any hope of doing fresh and interesting stories. The entire future history of the federation was detailed in painful detail. You couldn't go backwards without carefully tip-toeing around things that somewhere, sometime, hadn't been said to have happened or not happened. There was forty years of passing cultural detritus clogging the arteries of the mythology, some of it as stultifyingly silly as "warp speed destroys the fabric of the universe". <p> Living with all that smothering and sometimes contradictory nonsense absolutely precluded the possibility of successfully reviving the franchise. <p> Now, as you can read above I agree that the way Abrams broke free of that albatross resulted in one of the dumbest plots for a movie in a great many moons. And I'm not defending that. In fact, I've made that case in more than one talkback. But I give him kudos for nearly all the casting, and for capturing some of the chemistry and spirit that made me love the original show. <p> I think the moment of truth for what Abrams has done will come with the second movie. But if you really believe this franchise could have been reborn while still dragging all the chains from the last forty years of erasing possibilities and obsessively filling in every blank I just can't go there with you.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 2 p.m. CST

    Better yet...

    by Kaiser Soze

    During this war, it's the Klingons who first come upon the Botany Bay, and take all aboard prisoner, with the intent to interrogate them for any info on the Federation. Khan ends up taking over THEIR ship, and then his first encounter with Kirk comes when the Enterprise and the Khan-controlled Bird of Prey come across each other and go into battle before Kirk knows anyone besides the Klingons are controlling it. Kirk then has to defeat Khan and perhaps rescue the Klingons - the enemy of my enemy and all that - and sets up a POW situation that can lead into the third film, where a Klingon commander (General Chang, perhaps?) would be the villain. Either way, I really, REALLY like Abrams' idea of Nestor Carbonell as Khan.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 2:01 p.m. CST

    Oh, and Kaiser Soze...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...may I be the first person to suggest Bruce Campbell as Harry Mudd? We haven't had a proper AICN caterwauling for Campbell to be cast in something for awhile.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 2:10 p.m. CST

    Red Ned

    by Kaiser Soze

    Only if he gets to look at one of his girls at one point and say, "Give me some sugar, Baby!" FUCKING PRICELESS! But Mudd would have to be a side character, as I can't see him being a heavy for the entire film.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 2:14 p.m. CST

    Soooo. Asimov Lives isn't worth

    by Castlemonster

    responding to? Is that what I'm hearing? Over and over and over again? Seems like it would be the easiest thing in the world just to ignore it, then.<p>And, again, anyone who thinks the original series is compatible with any kind of canon is a silly sot. It's colorful mythology (TOS)vs. Holy Buybull (everything after TOS). Simple as that

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 2:15 p.m. CST

    as for mirroring modern problems

    by Kaiser Soze

    the Klingon/Federation war could be presented as a war of varying ideologies and could be used as commentary on the idological differences at play in the "War on Terror", with there being normal everyday Klingons who just want to peacefully practice their beliefs, and the Klingon extremists, who believe that terror, torture, and slaughter are the true paths to enlightenment. It's a stretch, but it could be done.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 2:20 p.m. CST

    Asslives likes having anal sex w/ goats.

    by Sal_Bando

    So you really might not wanna hear his alleged 'opinion' on the Abrams trek thing, ya know? Heck the movie even got three goat hooves up on Almada scale. You'd think Mammaries there would have bothered to listen to his concubine.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 2:22 p.m. CST

    Asi, again...

    by ebonic_plague

    Hey man, do what thou wilt and vaya con dios and all that, but if you insist on attacking or belittling people because they refuse to accept your opinions on ST and JJ as facts, then of course they're going to flame you rather than try to debate you. That's talkback 101. Why not let it go? I mean, I probably have more problems with Snyder's cellophane Matrix-ified Watchmen, and could make a serious case that it was a bigger let down to the fans of the original than "Shit Trek," but what's the point? I'd just rather forget about it than reference it in every single one of my posts. People thought it was great; I think that's laughable, but I'm not going to blow a gasket trying to make them agree with me. That's called being an asshole, and that's what you're being called out for. If one of my friends was being an asshole like that, I'd call them on it too... and honestly, buddy, that's what I'm doing here.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 2:26 p.m. CST

    he is worth responding to

    by Kaiser Soze

    because his constant excessive rants make him so easy to bait it's become a game to many on here. What he's not worth is listening to when it comes time to perp for a sequel, because he has yet to present his arguments in any sort of intelligent, coherent, or constructive manner, and "FUCK JAR JAR ABRAMS AND SHIT TREK AND EVERYONE ELSE" will in no way help anyone in making the sequel better. I'd have absolutley no problem with him if he simply didn't like the film and explained why. But it's the way he presents himself that makes us say he's gotta go. Because he just comes across as another faceless asshole schmuck on the internet who uses the anonymity of the net to act as assinine as possible without any repercussions. And it's people like him that degrade the overall community on this site. If he's not a productive member of the discussion, and if he can't act in a somewhat less insane, extremely less juvenile manner, then he should get the fuck out so the rest of us can enjoy the discussion. I mean, you obviously don't like the movie either, but you're much more rational and much less antagonizing in your presentation of that opinion. If he could be like that, there'd be no problem. If you know him outside of this site, perhaps you can teach him that. If not, I fear he's a lost cause.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 2:30 p.m. CST

    Kaiser...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...nah. I liked your idea right up to that last bit. If you want any current themes go with Khan's cult of personality issues and his followers belief that they are a chosen and special people. It's a more universal problem, one that's been with us from the earliest humans who thought of their own tribe as the only "real" people to religious and political movements of today. <p> Now the notion of Khan captaining a Klingon warship is just good clean fun, though I'd rather they stayed away from him for at least another movie. <p> As for old Harry, much as I love those episodes it's sort of hard to believe there will be room for him in these movies. Which will only add fuel to my demands that Bruce Campbell be cast in the part.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 2:38 p.m. CST

    I guess what I really wanted in a reboot was

    by Castlemonster

    basically every episode of the original series (starting with the first one shot: Where No Man Has Gone Before) redone with modern effects and a tad more logic than sixties screenwriters were apparently capable of. This was a wholly unrealistic expectation and I accept that. The most I can hope for now is a sequel that will make me forget the fact that Kirk will never again do battle with a Gorn or his doppelganger or talk sense into the gamesters of Triskellion; that Spock will never freak out and have to go back to Vulcan to claim his bride or get his brain stolen or stupidly get half of the Galileo Seven killed. And that no one will be troubled by tribbles or Mudd or Nomad or Nazis. I wish I could believe that Hollywood today could dream up original scenarios interesting enough to eclipse them. I can't escape the suspicion that I'm shit-out-of-luck on that one.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 2:45 p.m. CST

    And a time when bizarre illogical behavior

    by Castlemonster

    could make androids short-circuit and shoot sparks out of their ears and an alternate universe Spock could be identified by his goatee does not exist in this dojo. I'm gonna miss that.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 2:46 p.m. CST

    EBONIC!

    by Skyway Moaters

    How daer youi impugne ther magnooficange thet is Watchmen?! You illiter scum sukkering asspooper! <p> ;) You always could crack me up dood. That Asimov cat, *shakes head* tch tch. Insane in the membrane that feller I'm afraid... all though... I have to admit, I *have* been accused of the same affliction myself. Erm... BWA HAHAHA! or, um, whatever it is we nut-cases are supposed to say...

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 2:50 p.m. CST

    Where No Man Has Gone Before...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...I was maybe six or seven the first time I saw that and man the world was full of possibilities. <p> Thanks for reminding me of that, Castlemonster. <p> Damn.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 2:50 p.m. CST

    i prefer an expansion after the TNG era,rather than a reboot

    by ominus

    as Kirk said to Scottie: <p>"Come, come, Mr. Scott. Young minds, fresh ideas. Be tolerant! "

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 2:55 p.m. CST

    That episode had Hot Lips Hoolihan in it, too

    by Castlemonster

    and a Spock that was a tad over-emotional and some fat old guy in McCoy's place. And crappy wool shirts with zippers.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 2:56 p.m. CST

    How about a live action movie of Futurama?

    by ominus

    or just a movie with Lieutenant Kif Kroker and Captain Zapp Brannigan.it would have been a better star trek than this shitty reboot.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 3:01 p.m. CST

    NERD RAGE!!

    by AmericanWerewolf

    So damn funny.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 3:04 p.m. CST

    I kinda feel sorry for AsimovLives...

    by AmericanWerewolf

    But he brings it on himself.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 3:55 p.m. CST

    We Were Warned.

    by Dr. Samuel Loomis

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 3:58 p.m. CST

    You know, what I'd like...

    by Gozu

    A film that bridges the gap between non-trek fans and Trekkies that's as respectful to continuity as possible while still being a complete reboot and being better than pretty much every Trek film except for maybe "Wrath of Khan." You know, that reinvigorates a dying/dead franchise and actually catapults way above the quality of anything to come out of Lucasfilm for the past decade. Oh, you mean they made that? Last year? Sweet!

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 4:07 p.m. CST

    Gozu, you bring up an excellent point

    by Kaiser Soze

    George Lucas goes out and makes three new Star Wars films. And they suck. HARD. And are worse than at least 80% of the Star Wars films that came before them. And the Star Wars fans are pissed. J.J. Abrams goes out and makes a new Star Trek movie. And it's actually pretty good. And it's better than about 80% of the Star Trek movies that came before it. And the Star Trek fans are pissed. Sound like "Damned if you don't, Damned if you do" to anyone else?

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 4:08 p.m. CST

    The responses from the Jar Jar Abrams ass-kissers...

    by AsimovLives

    ... are so predictable, banal and repetitive, i could put them in a pinball machine.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 4:08 p.m. CST

    AmericanWerewolf

    by AsimovLives

    Feel sorry for yourself.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 4:11 p.m. CST

    Gozu

    by AsimovLives

    Actually, last year they didn't made a movie that reinvigorated a dying/dead franchise and actually catapulted way above the quality of anything to come out of Lucasfilm for the past decade, sad to report. They weren't even close. But they made a remake of Star Wars. Which was pretty dumb and off the mark.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 4:15 p.m. CST

    one-legged tranny??????

    by TakingScorpiosCalls

    oh my!

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 4:44 p.m. CST

    No more Planet Coincidence, please

    by Jubal_Early

    I liked the STAR TREK movie and was with it all the way...until they landed on the ice planet. "Hey, Spock! Fancy meeting you here as opposed to ANYWHERE ELSE on this entire planet! And, hey there Scotty, you just HAPPENED to be here TOO? Wow, what freakin' luck! Now let's save the universe!" I'd like to see a medium between the old ST and what they just made. Fun, but still filled some of the brainy ideas of the original episodes. They need to go where no man has gone before, and do something ORIGINAL. I know fans are breathing out their asses for Khan, but please, leave him outta this.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 5:07 p.m. CST

    Droppin' some knowledge.

    by AmericanWerewolf

    Do any of you hear yourselves when you post? First of all, I wish some of you would stop chewing at the cast members' collective ass, okay? Chris Pine can't help it he looks like the guy who kicked your ass in high school, any more than you can help it you look like an R. Crumb illustration.*** I was a fan of "Lost", but when it was announced J.J. Abrams would be directing a Star Trek reboot, my first reaction was "Man, this guy has some balls." I was pleasantly surprised that it was not only one of the best movies I'd seen all year, but was also one of the best scifi movies I'd seen ever. Yeah, I said it. Abrams took a dead property and LIKE A PHOENIX FROM THE ASHES it rose, glorious and new. I've sat back as punkass haters have struggled valiantly to hoist their little dicks up and piss on this movie. I've heard few facts, and a lot of personal hangups. Look, if you saw the movie, and found it lacking, fine. I can respect that. But insulting the intelligence of those who did enjoy it with your anal rants is fucked up. It was critically acclaimed (yeah, but what do THEY know?), and had $385 mil. worldwide box office (oh, the things Wal-Mart sheeple will pay to see!). The perfect poster is a balance of self-love (so they value their own opinion) and self-loathing (so they don't take themselves too seriously). What we have here are a bunch of bitter little Trekkies who give geeks a bad name, they are not in balance. They tremble and shake their scrawny (or pudgy)fists at the computer screen and say weak shit like, "Eeeeeeehh! The plot had holes in it you could fly the Enterprise through." And, "New Kirk was a swaggering douchebag, not the strategic genius he was in Spock's Taint by Peter David!" These cockknockers conveniently forget original Kirk was a daredevil meathead who relied on the intellect of others and blind, stupid luck to pull him out of a crisis. So younger Kirk is consistent with his older counterpart. The torch has been passed. Deal with it. Best case scenario: Take your genius shit to Paramount and do the damn thing! Oh, yeah. They'd never accept it- More "revolutionary" than anything J.J. and company could come up with. At least you'll always have the original series and the movies. Thank you, I'm AmericanWerewolf.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 5:13 p.m. CST

    Oh, Assy!

    by AmericanWerewolf

    Why should I feel sorry for myself? I'm spending a wintry Sunday eve basking in the glow of intellectual luminaries like yourself!

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 5:35 p.m. CST

    Jubal.

    by AmericanWerewolf

    I love the original episodes, but you gotta admit they used a lotta ridiculous bullshit to get their brainy ideas across. One that springs to mind is here we are in the high-tech 23rd century and we have a planet packed asshole-to- elbow with people, just to illustrate the issue of overpopulation. Dare I ask? Couldn't the Federation have helped these poor bastards colonize other planets?

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 5:39 p.m. CST

    AmericanWerewolf...No!

    by Red Ned Lynch

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 5:40 p.m. CST

    You're the reasonable...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...willing to discuss things guy, not the angry rant guy. <p> Or is tonight the full moon?

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 5:43 p.m. CST

    Oh, and the Prime Directive...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...meant Kirk and the Federation couldn't help those people. <p> Because you know, they only broke that when it made the story more interesting. <p> Which is just one of the reasons I love that show.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 5:48 p.m. CST

    Asimov

    by SithMenace

    You sound like a spoiled 6 year old that will never get his way. Hate Abrams reboot? Guess what, it's here to stay. And all of your ranting proves that that fact just kills you, which is funny to most posters.<p>Btw, Abrams Trek is 100 times better than the last 2 films, and it makes more sense too.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 5:53 p.m. CST

    does Asimov even know anything about Star Trek?

    by Player_Two_has_entered_the_game

    Not being funny, but does he? We all know his hate for J.J. Abrams loud and clear, but i've never seen him even talk about Trek with any real knowledge. I would ask him, but we all know that just results in insults and comeplete gobbledygook.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 5:55 p.m. CST

    Nyahnahnahnah-nah

    by Castlemonster

    Abram's Trek ain't going no-where...<p>While Assy will hang himself from a motel-room shower curtain rod next week!<p>Ha ha, Assy! BONK BONK ON THE HEAD!

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 5:57 p.m. CST

    Castlemonster...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...okay, next time you have to use a line from a good episode. <p> You know a friend of mine once hit me for saying he looked like Michael J Pollard. Good times.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 6 p.m. CST

    Hopefully Spock Will Have Some Grip on His Emotions

    by Autodidact

    I know Spock is half-human but he was the most emotional character in JJ Trek. What's more, he was also fairly illogical ("I just threw you off the ship, and you magically reappeared, and made me lose my temper. The most logical course of action is to give you command of the ship.")

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 6:02 p.m. CST

    Yo, Assy.

    by AmericanWerewolf

    Your wit is almost as dazzling as your command of the English language. You ever just lose the will to live, and follow through with that autoerotic asphyxiation thing, I'll come to Portugal and drink beer outta your skull.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 6:03 p.m. CST

    Sick to Fucking Death of Reboots BTW

    by Autodidact

    I'd love to see a "reboot" which is just a new film in a series, with a new creative direction, etc.. but doesn't have to go back and re-tell the origin story. Lately I'm thrilled to watch any escapist movie that isn't either: <br> a) the unfolding of a prophecy <br> or <br> b) the beginning of a legend (told again more better this time!!1!)

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 6:03 p.m. CST

    Well, I watched "Mira" last night.

    by Castlemonster

    So, you know, that's all I got.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 6:05 p.m. CST

    "Miri"

    by Castlemonster

    Hey, fuck you, so I'm not a trecktard.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 6:05 p.m. CST

    Old Spock with Kirk

    by Autodidact

    I hate the scene with Old Spock talking to Kirk (where by Spock's reaction it seems he didn't expect to meet Kirk there?). <p> Spock tells kirk "you guys hate each other but you'll be BFFs trust me." It's so fucking gay and retarded I want to jump off the balcony.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 6:11 p.m. CST

    Castlemonster...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...I can't even look at you now.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 6:11 p.m. CST

    Reboot Takes it up the Assimov's brain.

    by Rene_Belloq_12inch_Figure

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 6:13 p.m. CST

    My advice...

    by AmericanWerewolf

    For anyone who sits around scrutinizing Abrams' Trek for faults: This week when Mom gives you your allowance (it won't be your dad, 'cause he either denies you exist, or killed himself when you were born), instead of spending it on Hot Pockets, video games, and porn, go downtown and get yourself some PUSSAY, son!

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 6:21 p.m. CST

    ^Or...

    by Autodidact

    Jerk off with the hot pockets (don't get steaming tomato sauce up your dickhole) and watch some anime. <p>I personally don't "scrutinize" the movie.. I watched it a couple times, and on the whole I like it quite a lot. It's definitely an improvement over the TNG movies (though I heart First Contact, which is also full of retarded shit). I just hate the bits that are put in there fruity reasons like giving Nimoy screentime, or for comic relief. Shaun of the Dead guy is the worst part of the whole deal. <p>I gotta go my mom's calling me.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 6:32 p.m. CST

    LOL, Auto!

    by AmericanWerewolf

    Hey, I loved First Contact. It was the best of Next Generation flicks. Tell your mom I said "Hi."

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 6:53 p.m. CST

    Why AsimovLives DOES NOT matter

    by quantize

    because the dude is a caricature of a troll..blah blah with the same shit. Plenty of people have voiced intelligently the aspects of the film they didnt like without becoming an obsessive self serving twat. He doesnt serve ANY purpose except to be the target of mocking and derision.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 6:55 p.m. CST

    ...and put even simpler

    by quantize

    he's not a useful part of 'critical' audience feedback because he never once metions anything positive about the film..and fuck..if you couldnt find SOME pleasure in that film, you are utterly dead inside..which makes at least Asshole and Ominarse walking dead in this threads.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 6:58 p.m. CST

    I Don't Think Many Would Argue

    by Autodidact

    .. that First Contact is the only good TNG movie. Generations was just boring and dismally sad, and gave Kirk the most ignominious screen death of all time. Insurrection was also boring and had the production values of a TV episode (seriously Voyager at the time had the same production quality aside from the location shooting... and wow what locations.. the rocky hillsides of California!). Then Nemesis came out, and from the moment I saw a dune buggy in the trailer I knew Star Trek movies had officially turned to diarrhea. <p>Speaking of which, while watching Nemesis, I felt an overwhelming urge to fart. Being somewhat considerate of other people, I decided to duck out to the entry hall to let it rip. I went and stood by the door. When I released the valve, ever so gently, my fart came out like as if you were slowly letting the air out of a tight-lipped balloon. It was like a giant oak door creaking endlessly off in the distance. And the sensation was like a mass of bumblebees fluttering their wings on my anus. This went on for a FULL 30 seconds at least. It was epic and halfway through I started laughing my head off.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 7:04 p.m. CST

    Generations is the movie...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...that could move me to post like AsimovLives does about the new Trek.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 7:23 p.m. CST

    Overpopulation people were xenophobic...

    by Billyeveryteen

    They kept the Federation at arms legnth to no only hide their problem, but to also hatch their "brilliant" plan involving Kirk.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 7:27 p.m. CST

    Don't get me started on Generations.

    by AmericanWerewolf

    I saw that unbelievable shit while I was hungover, and every time they showed that space ribbon thing I wanted to die. I know I saw Insurrection, but I barely remember it. And Star Trek: Dune Buggyin' put me to sleep, literally. It was the death-rattle of the series. Buh-bye, Picard & company.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 7:29 p.m. CST

    Sometimes I wonder if Hate Spewers are Double Agents

    by ToMonicker

    You know, they get so retarded vitriolic that you don't even want to be associated with their camp? Ah, well, luckily I have an independent streak.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 8:35 p.m. CST

    Star Trek Pre-Reboot is Boring

    by Rene_Belloq_12inch_Figure

    And they have the gayest weapons in all of Sci-Fi.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 8:43 p.m. CST

    Trek started going downhill

    by beane2099

    right after the Best of Both Worlds, which is ironically around the time Gene Rodenberry died. There were a few bright spots (Klingon Civil War) but otherwise, meh. And I know this is really nerdy nipicky, but they used the same orchestrated score from season 5 of TNG all the way through to the last season of Enterprise. I kid you not. Berman really dragged it down. What's even funnier is when Manny Cotto finaly stated making good Trek in the last season of Enterprise, Berman had to step in and make possibly the worst episode of Trek ever with the Enterprise series finale. However, just prior to that possibly one of the best episodes ever aired with the evil parallel universe episode of Enterprise complete with evil opening credits. Anyways, 40 years of continuity where literally half the characters had clones and duplicates running around it was time to end it. I really didn't think it was possible to ressurect that franchise, but here we are.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 8:44 p.m. CST

    Let Kirk live and Generations ain't all that bad

    by Tall_Boy66

    Just leave him alive at the end, and it's an okay 2-hour episode like Insurrection. The best TNG flick was First Contact anyway. Generations is just a last hurrah for the TNG sets and constumes, kinda. Too bad it's nowhere near as good as "all good things" but it isn't as terrible as the rep it gets. It's still better than Insurrection, which is just a watered-over Search For Spock remake. But what really stinks about Generations is Kirk's death which is just kinda ... lame. Take that out, flick ain't that bad. He shoulda survived and gone off to found a Vulcan colony like Spock does in "Star Trek" or something along those lines. But Kirk does die alone. Kinda. Picard being there doesn't count.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 8:47 p.m. CST

    Also to the individual that came up with the idea of Kahn

    by beane2099

    being found by Klingons andtaking over a bird of prey: awesome idea. Though it would really bitch out the Klingons two movies in a row, it'd be totally worth it.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 8:48 p.m. CST

    no way, beane, "All Good Things" is one of TNG's best

    by Tall_Boy66

    That was way after Roddenberry died and it still rocks. I'm kinda partial to late-era TNG with solid ones like "Unification" and "Frame of Mind". Hell, some of the best stuff from DS9 ("Little Green Men", "In Pale Moonlight") and Voyager ("Timeless", the camp-awesome of "Bride of Chaotica!") are wayyyyyy after Roddenberry kicked it.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 8:55 p.m. CST

    Generations with Kirk Living at the end

    by beane2099

    I'll agree with you. Omit Kirk's lame death and it isn't that bad. But I think as fans, we all wanted to see Kirk and Picard meet on the bridge of the Enterprise, not riding horses. But I was OK with that till the "Oh my" business. But then there Shatner's resurrection novels where Kirk flew through space at warp speed with nothing but his birthday suit, having kids with a Klingon/Romulan chick and taking on the entire Borg collective single handedly (and yet I still liked them). So I guess it could have been worse.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 9:08 p.m. CST

    Tall Boy

    by beane2099

    I admited, a few gems came after Roddenberry died. The two parter where Worf joined DS9 was excellent. But when they reloved the whole Dominion War in the last 5 minutes of the next to last episode with everything wrapped in a neat little package that robbed a lot of the thunder of that storyline. Whatever that business was with the Pah Wraith, and all that just; who cared? And Voyager had maybe 5 or 6 good episodes. But I digress, not really, I just have no way to finish this post.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 9:41 p.m. CST

    Klingons would make interesting villains...

    by AsimovDiedOfAIDS

    ... bet they're all really pissed off at that virus that made them all look human. Wasn't there a deleted scene in JJ Trek that had them all wearing faceless ridged helmets? Maybe that's an idea to work with: Proud warrior race who can't even stand to look in mirrors because they now look like their worst enemies? I dunno, could work.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 9:44 p.m. CST

    Voyager did have at least a couple of good eps.

    by AsimovDiedOfAIDS

    Like the one where an enemy had some kind of time weapon and Janeway just rammed Voyager into his ship at the end to reboot everything. Janeway could be one badass bitch when they let her. Too bad they never really developed that angle and the show mostly sucked.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 9:55 p.m. CST

    beane2099

    by Kaiser Soze

    Thanks, man...been thinking Khan scenarios since I heard Abrams say if he did Khan he'd want Nestor Carbonell for the part. Love me some Richard Alpert! And don't worry about the Klingons, I'd have them covered. After the Enterprise catches the renegade Bird of Prey, Kirk would have problems just handing Khan and his people over to the Klingons for a particluarly brutal execution, and decides to maroon them on a desolate planet (anybody want to guess which one?) instead. Then, the film ends with the Klingon High Command dispatching one of their best Generals to find the traitor known as Kirk. General Chang. Film ends and we're set up for a kick ass third chapter of Kirk and the Enterprise being chased across the universe by Chang. And even in the Khan film, the Klingon presence is not only felt, but aggressive and the tension between them and the Federation is mounting. Khan would be the immediate threat, but his stealing of the Bird of Prey and killing its crew is blamed on the Federation anyway and only adds to the tension. They wouldn't be bitched out, so much as surprised by the unexpected intelligence and skill of Khan. He would take over the ship under their noses.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 10:05 p.m. CST

    Khan could be the inadvertent architect

    by Kaiser Soze

    of a Federation/Klingon war

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 10:26 p.m. CST

    ...and after the war would start...

    by Bouncy X

    Khan would start laughing in pleasure then turn to his right hand man and say "laugh with me".

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 10:32 p.m. CST

    then Khan would open a store on Seti Alpha 5

    by Kaiser Soze

    and sell "Fine Corinthian Leather"

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 10:32 p.m. CST

    then Khan would open a store on Seti Alpha 5

    by Kaiser Soze

    and sell "Fine Corinthian Leather"

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 10:44 p.m. CST

    Seti Alpha 5 is Gone Dumbass

    by Autodidact

    They should have Seti Alpha 5 being hit by an asteroid as a scene in the movie. Perhaps the first act of the movie is the events of Space Seed, but they're occuring later because of the altered timeline. So when Kirk goes to drop Khan off at Seti Alpha 5 at the end of the first act, the whole fucking planet blows up and damges the fuck out of the enterprise, handicapping them against Khan who through some film flammery has now got a ship.

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 10:50 p.m. CST

    seti alpha 5 WAS gone dumbass

    by Kaiser Soze

    New timeline, new events

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 10:55 p.m. CST

    "RAISE SHIELDS!!!!!!!"

    by BringingSexyBack

    "I can't!!!!!" <P> "Aw fuck!!"

  • Jan. 10, 2010, 11:37 p.m. CST

    They should bring back George Takei and..

    by MacReady452

    ..set him loose nude with a bottle of Viagra to have at Pine and Quinto and the rest of the young cast. That Charlie Bartlett/Kyle Reese kid would make a nice hors devours for George. BTW Anton Yelchin would have been a great choice for Scott Pilgrim.

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 2:05 a.m. CST

    Red Ned Lynch

    by BurnHollywood

    "...yeah, but that mythology became such a crushing weight on the franchise that it pulverized any hope of doing fresh and interesting stories. The entire future history of the federation was detailed in painful detail. You couldn't go backwards without carefully tip-toeing around things that somewhere, sometime, hadn't been said to have happened or not happened. There was forty years of passing cultural detritus clogging the arteries of the mythology, some of it as stultifyingly silly as "warp speed destroys the fabric of the universe"."<p> Sorry, never bought that for even a millisecond. To use a real-world example, World War 2 is an exhaustively researched and documented event, yet creative writers are still finding ways to write fictional stories set around it.<p> What about a series set entirely in the Imperial Earth universe? What about a series where a pan-galactic conflict has collapsed the Federation? What if the mysterious Andromedans from TOS chose to invade our galaxy, and the Federation had to side even with The Dominion and The Borg? WHAT ABOUT THAT KLINGON-FEDERATION WAR THAT NEVER FUCKING HAPPENS?! Just off the top of my head.<p> What's more, the movie series' staleness had NOTHING to do with established canon...it's because the TNG movies were crap, IGNORED established canon and were a clear case of where a TV show simply couldn't be transplanted to movies (X-FILES was another example). If you don't believe me, visit RedLetterMedia's channel on YouTube, where he's extensively (and hilariously) broken down exactly what went wrong with the post-TOS TREK movies:<p> http://www.youtube.com/user/RedLetterMedia

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 2:16 a.m. CST

    Red Ned Lynch

    by BurnHollywood

    Which is not to say I wouldn't have liked a movie about Kirk's early career...you know, the Iowa kid who was also the survivor of a genocide on Tarsus IV, a bullied bookworm in academy, but a brilliant officer on the USS Republic and Farragut who EARNS his way into the youngest captaincy in Federation history.<p> Too bad we'll never hear that story now...sounds like an interesting guy. Way more compelling than some hopped up dipshit who drives cars off of cliffs and sabotaged the Kobayashi Maru program just for the fuck of it...nothing deeper than that, dude.

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 3:57 a.m. CST

    Abrams is a hack

    by ratpack223

    All he can do is making promises. He creates exposition of a story and never delivers the goods. Take a look at LOST. It was all exposition. When he had to deliver the main story, it turned into a load of shit. That's all ever does, come up with an exposition and then take off, before it actually becomes difficult.

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 4:23 a.m. CST

    BurnHollywood well said

    by ominus

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 6:55 a.m. CST

    ratpack223

    by quantize

    12 months ago i might have agreed with you...Star Trek, in my opinion disproves that.

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 7:53 a.m. CST

    Sorry Burn...

    by Billyeveryteen

    Acting Captain Kirk DID save the Federation from a planet destroying weapon.<p>Hence, awesome promotion.

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 8:35 a.m. CST

    AsimovLives: wanted alive, preferably dead

    by AsimovLives

    For the triple crime of not sucking Jar Jar Abrams's cock, not enjoying a retard piece of shit movie directed by the aforementioned hack and not following the partyline.<br>Reward: a blow job and a reach around personally administraded by Bob Orci, personally directed by Jar Jar Abrams.

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 8:38 a.m. CST

    Player_Two

    by AsimovLives

    I saw the entire TOS, and very recently. Does that count?

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 8:42 a.m. CST

    2012? Damn, some might be dead by then.

    by The Founder

    Why so damn long? I guess it could be worse but that's like three years away.

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 8:50 a.m. CST

    The biggest crime about the Jar Jar Trek movie...

    by AsimovLives

    ... is how poorly it decided to tell the tale of Kirk's early career. The very idea of a movie detailing the early time of kirk's career, when he was still a cadete, brims with possibilities. The movie didn't even need to be 100% accurate to canon. There could had been re-interpretations, like they did with BATMAN BEGINS or IRON MAN. But done with respect to what is already established. I think any true filmmaker and writer would find that a challenge worth taking.<br><br>What orci and Abrams did was to take the easy way out. Oh, let's set this in a "paralel universe", so they that don't need to do research, they can do everything they want and get scott free. I see this paralel universe excuse as creative laziness. Truly, given the indication from the movei,and from Abram's own audio comentary in the DVD, all he really wanted to do was a Star Wars movie.<br><br>To quote from Lucius Vorenus from Rome, the problem is the disrespect,and not just for Star Trek, but for the audiences as well. The movie they made is subpar, specially in intelligence. I never seen a movie whose plot was so dependent on coincidences and deux ex machinas. I can endure a lot of coincidences in a story, but there's limits! And the least said about the mishandling of the clasic characters, specially concerning Spock, but more iportantly Kirk, the better.<br><br>Maybe Abrams was the right guy to make an action movie. But he was the wrong guy to make a Star Trek movie.<br><br>But now it's too late, isn't it? So, roll on the sequel. If for nothing else, at least i'll get some laughs at the new idioticies they, Orci and Abrams, will come up for their Nu Trek.

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 9:24 a.m. CST

    And i mean, really, why the rush to make Nu Kirk captain?

    by AsimovLives

    Really, what was the need to rush things and make Nu kirk the captain of a starship, and the flagship of the entire fleet, in the first movie? Couldn't they wait it out for the second or 3rd movie? What were they affraid? That we could wait? I mean, this is the story of Kirk in his early years? What's the rush to make him captain in his very second comission? Last i recall, the military don't make you a master and commander of a ship just as a reward. And you do not jump promotion from ensign to full capitaincy for good actions. Promotions goes through the ranks, regardless if you saved the world or not. Really, it doesn't matter if this is future world, it's still the military, and they have rules that stretched to the 18th century which are still upholded, and they will be in the future, because they work. Star Trek may be the world of the future, but still in all reinterations of the Star Trek Universe, from TOS to Next Generation to DS9, they act up like the military of today. In Abrams's movie, the military act up as if they are in high school. and kirk gets the Entreprise the same way a kid gets a cool car form his dad ebcause he got good grades. Give me a break! I mean, by this movie's logic, Kirk would had been made Admiral from his action on WHERE NO MAN HAD GONE BEFORE. And he would jump 3 or 4 promotions for each thing he does in every episode of the TOS show. they would need to invent ranks way above Admirar or Commodore for kirk alone!<br><br>Truly, Abram's movie is just a string of nonsense stuff happening one after the other. It's very clear that nobody actually give much of a though when they made it. abrams was so obsessed in copying Star Wars in everything, he even had to have his version of Luke Skywalker getting a medal for destrying the Death Star. really, Abrams was so obsessed in copying his favorite movie he forgot to tell a coherent story that makes any sense on it's own. And personally, i don't find that amusing.

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 9:24 a.m. CST

    Asimov

    by Autodidact

    TL:DR

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 9:36 a.m. CST

    The Founder

    by AsimovLives

    The offical reason for the 2012 release date is that Abrams said he wanted to make something different inbetween two Nu Trek movies.

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 9:43 a.m. CST

    Autodidact

    by AsimovLives

    OK, i have to ask you this: what does "TL:DR" means?

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 9:47 a.m. CST

    "regardless if you saved the world "

    by Billyeveryteen

    Not the world, the WHOLE Federation.<p>Planet destroyie thingy can be fired more than once.

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 10:09 a.m. CST

    Billyeveryteen

    by AsimovLives

    So? He's still a militarymen, and the Federation is a military institution. Had he being promotied, he would be to 2nd lieutenent. He would get medals up his ass more then he could carry and his name would be known through out the whole Federation and beyond. but he wouldn't go straight up to Captain and get the command of the most important (and maybe evne the only remaning) staship of the Federtation. What Kirk did was saving the Federtation, yes, but it takes more then just one act of bravery. to commnand, you need to know how to comand, and one single moment of being ahead of a shipt and due to extraordinary and very unusual circunstances is enough to make you know how to be a master and commander of a ship with a crew of hundreds. More importan tto command a ship is not that you were up to in an extraordinary and unusual circunstance, but that you cna deal and command during normal banal circunstances. There's mor eto the stuff tha tmakes a commander then just blowing up a bad guy that wanted to blow up Earth.<br><br>Kirk's actions is the reason got accolades, not to give a command of which he has absolutly no experience and didn't get any through his career, which, in fact, he has non yet. You get command THROUGH EXPERIENCE, not because you got rewarded. Command, more then anything, is a duty, not a reward.

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 10:26 a.m. CST

    Asimov well said

    by ominus

    that is all

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 10:31 a.m. CST

    Let's see...

    by Billyeveryteen

    Andoria? Saved. Tellerite? Saved Alpha Centuri? Saved. Vulcan? Well.. not so much. Klingons? Probably saved. Any military on any planet would be happy to make him Captain.<p>Let the baby have his bottle.

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 10:40 a.m. CST

    Too Long, Didn't Read

    by Autodidact

    I'll spare myself the reading and assume you're still going on and on about why you don't like the movie.

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 10:45 a.m. CST

    Seti Alpha 5

    by Autodidact

    Is Still gonna collide with that other planet (or was it an asteroid). That's why I suggested it could be used as an awesome scene, should the altered timeline cause them to arrive just a bit earlier than in ST2. Instead of mistaking SA6 for SA5, they are caught in the destruction of SA5 and marooned in orbit around SA6, with Khan on board, and probably some Klingon or Romulan ships around.

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 10:48 a.m. CST

    I LOVE THE FACT

    by ominus

    that some people accuse Avatar of being 'unoriginal',while in the same time,they are talking about what old stories Star Trek should revisit and reimagine.Fucking hypocrites.

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 10:49 a.m. CST

    I'm convinced AsimovLives is just like JettL

    by Kaiser Soze

    I've decided AsimovLives and JettL have more in common that originally thought. They are both putting on a show in an attempt to piss others off. The only other explanation is that there really is someone THAT obsessed over one movie. And that would just be sad.

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 10:49 a.m. CST

    I'm convinced AsimovLives is just like JettL

    by Kaiser Soze

    I've decided AsimovLives and JettL have more in common that originally thought. They are both putting on a show in an attempt to piss others off. The only other explanation is that there really is someone THAT obsessed over one movie. And that would just be sad.

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 11:05 a.m. CST

    Billyeveryteen

    by AsimovLives

    Do you know anything about the military? About the real military, and not the military as shown in movies like, say, COMMANDO or RAMBO II? Because, really, you don't seem to be much savvy about it. And nor are orci and Abrams, given they modelled the Federation on their Nu Trek on the procedings of a high school. Hell, even the cadetes' first assigment feels more like a field trip then an actual military assigment. so much so that evne Uhura, which innicially looked like the only professional of the bunch, gets to have a tantrum because she's not on the cool kid's ship and pulls the strings on her boyfriend to get there. Truly, this is not the military, this is the god damn high school for spoiled rich kids!<br><br>And again, i'm going to point out and explain to you how the military operates recarding awarding valour and actions beyond the call of duty. Kirk's actions, AND SPOCK'S, in the movie would award them a promotion, yes. TO THE NEXT RANK! And not five ranks above! And really, following your and the movie's logic, if he saved the world, why just capitancy? Why not make him Admiral? He saved the whole fucking Federation. Why the arbitrary rank of captain bestowed to him? The Federation is only worth getting made Captain, not Admiral? The Federation sells itself short?<br><br>No, the real thing to do was to promote kirk to the rank of 2rd Lieutenant, which would make him a rank officer. That alone means it saved kirk some 2 years as cadete and ensign. That alone IS BEYOND procedures and protocol. Wha tkirk AND SPOCK would get, due to their actions, would be fame, their names carved in the anals of history, and medals enough to make them afloat, some medals would even need to be created specially for their actions. And that's how it is. The awarding of Kirk the rank of captain and an effective captaincy of THE SHIP is just too precious, it's totally contrieved, and it's convinient. It's mere arbritation from the filmmakers. And really, Spock's actions in the movie are as important as kirk's, if not more. So, why does kirk gets to be captain but not Spock? I mean, spock even starts at a higher ranking then Kirk! See, pure arbitrarity from the makers of ths movie! Kirk is made captain because in TOS he was captain of the Enterprise, and they felt the need to rush Kirk into captain of the ship so they could kiss the ass of the hoi polloi. I call bullshit on that! Bullshit!<br><br>It doesn't care if the movie is a SF fantasy, it has to have some resemblanc eof pausability within it's own internal logic. Which Nu Trek has none whatsoever. Everything in it happens merely on convinience. This is not good storytelling, it's terrible. This is the kind of stuff that gets constantly criticized on the TWILIGHT movies, but gets a free pass on Nu Trek. And i'm supposed to find this acceptable? Exactly why, i ask?<br><br>In TOS, Kirk is the youngest captain ever in the history of the Federation, and still he only got command of a ship in his mid-30s. He still had to go through quite many years as a subaltern officer until raise to the rank of a ship's commander. Even in the fantasy world of TOS, they still felt the need for plausability. Abrams and Co felt no such need. And that is not right. No self-respecting storyteller would do what Abrams and Co did.

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 11:13 a.m. CST

    Kaiser Soze

    by AsimovLives

    Bullshit! Complete bullshit. I'm genuinely interested in discussing and talking about ALL THINGS MOVIES. If you don't disagre with what i say, fine. But it's idioticy to try to give, without reason, an ulterior motives for my participation in here other then sheer love for movies. If you can't deal with my opinions and my posts, that's your problem. It's daft to think otherwise. If you have a problem with my posts, either you engage in a talk with me, and offer some valid points, or you can simply ignore i exist. Not too hard, is it?

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 11:15 a.m. CST

    Autodidact

    by AsimovLives

    You should do better to read the posts. That way, you would actually understand my points and get a prope ridea of what i'm about, instead of a notion based on bullshit, which so far you have.

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 11:16 a.m. CST

    asimov you are 100% correct

    by ominus

    and you forgot the best example which shows why your arguments is so right: <p>the trial of Kirk and his crew in ST4 and how well the director/writers handled it,since the trial maanged to do both things: to serve the fantasy story while maintaining the realism of the universe.

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 11:20 a.m. CST

    Asimov: disagre, idioticy

    by Kaiser Soze

    never learned to spell too well, did we? My problems aren't with your opinion, but rather how you voice them. Also how OFTEN you voice them. In the 6+ months since the movie hit theaters, you have been obviously unable to let it go. Not only that, but you constantly voice your opinion in juvenile, assinine ways across multiple threads. If you don't want to be thought of as a troll, then stop acting like one constantly. You've got to earn respect, buddy, even on the internet. And from what I've seen over and over again on this site is that you have a complete lack of respect for the majority of the people on the boards. So why should it be given in return? I'm not sure who said it, but someone above said that, while he may feel sorry for you, you DO bring it on yourself. Just something to think about.

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 11:23 a.m. CST

    Sorry Asi...

    by Billyeveryteen

    In order to debate, one must have the capacity to learn. You don't. There is no way you would EVER learn from another.<p>Saving a galaxy is probably unprecedented. You're right, they should have made him Emperor.

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 11:28 a.m. CST

    Billyeveryteen ST4 the trial of Kirk and crew

    by ominus

    and ST6 again the trial of Kirk and how they are connected.watch those specific sequences and try to understand what the fuck Asi is talking about and why he is right.You are wrong,he is right,end of line.

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 11:35 a.m. CST

    You left out the most likely possibility kaiser...

    by Skyway Moaters

    ... and that is that both AssLives and JettL are in fact mentally ill. Raving, raging, sociopathic lunatics. Much more plausible than an any other explanation folks have proffered: Retarded goat fucker, etc.

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 11:36 a.m. CST

    Assy Mauve

    by Autodidact

    Are you trying to say you haven't been repeating yourself like a mental patient since the movie came out? You haven't said anything new in six months. Go take some meds fucko.

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 11:46 a.m. CST

    "Save the Earth? promote him to Lieutenant."

    by Billyeveryteen

    "But sir, He saved EVERYONE, EVERYWHERE."<p>"He did? Let's make him President!"<p>"Sir, Isn't that a bit much?"<p>"Fine, give'em a ship. Pike seems to like him, give'em his."

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 11:48 a.m. CST

    ominus, your problem is with scope...

    by Billyeveryteen

    For that I cannot help you.

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 11:50 a.m. CST

    nope it is not.it is you mr Bennet,you that you are

    by ominus

    afraid of Matrix.oops wrong movie.

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 12:02 p.m. CST

    Kaiser Soze

    by AsimovLives

    I'm portuguese, i'm writing in a foreign language. What's your excuse?

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 12:10 p.m. CST

    Billyeveryteen

    by AsimovLives

    Compeltly wrong about any turn about me. If you care to know, i have talked and debated about Nu Trek with people who actually like it, such people like rogueleader66, southafricanguy and Six Bag Demon. And we were always civil and corteus. So, what's the variable here? The variable here is the Nu Trek gfanatics, who are actually the ones who don't learn anything. They closed their minds to the notion that Nu Trek is good, and they compeltly ignore any other voice, any other opinion. Me, i have seen and read many people posting their opinions on why they find Nu Trek a god movie... and every each of them reads the exact same thing. They say the exact same thing. It's fundamentalist christian like in their monolitic view. In fact, if anything, it's the detractors of the moie who have showned a more desire to learn and to know and who offer the most different reasons why the movie is bad. The fans only offer the same limited in number "reasons" ad nauseum. It's like they got the idea through sheer repetition. Repeate the same thing again and you convince it's real. I'm going to tell you this, it's the marketing department for Nu Trek who should be applauded, they mannaged to convince people to repeat their advertizement as opinion. Wow, good job, Paramount Advertizement people. You really nailed them.<br><br>It's too easy to try to dismiss people like me,the detractros of this movie, with some shallow superficial and wrong notions. But you are reaching. You offer no real ideas, no real notions. And wiors,t no real defense for your movie you like. The best your ilk can do is persoanlly attack those who don't fllow your partyline. And that's lame. But very much in tune to the shallow nature of the movie you profess to like.

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 12:10 p.m. CST

    Actor to play Khan needs a year of pushups to get that chest

    by Supermans

    It's funny though, but it will be hard to find someone with that huge a chest as Khan had.

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 12:19 p.m. CST

    ominus

    by AsimovLives

    Good point about Star Trek 4's trial, thanks for brining that up. And the funny thing is, i really don't like the movie much, but i have to admit, what they did in that movie was not only intelligent but appropriate, both narratively as in tune to the way the military operates. They saved the world, yes, but they also comited a lot of criems agaisnt the Federation for which they should be trialed and convicted. and the movie found an elegant and smart way to deal with both the way they should be punished and how they should be rewarded, or in this case, mitigating circusntances enough to give an amnesty to all the crimes they did.<br><br>In fact, this should had been the aproach that they dhould had done in Nu Trek. If we are to notice the whole behavior and what Kirk and Spock did thoughout the movie, not only they would be court martialled, they would be jailed and expelled for life from the Federation. Spock and Kirk in the movie showered terrible ungentlemantly conduct completly unbefitting an officer and a gentleman. they acted like completer assclowns from begining to end, and even before the Entreprise sailed away.<br>If anything,t heir saving of the world would had give them a reprise. Sure, some medals, but also an admonition. They mannaged to save the world, yes, but they hadn't in any circunstance, showed actions becoming a military, and officer, and a representative of the Federation. If anything, their qualities as military men are still to the test. Their saving the world would get them a reprise, militarily strictly speaking. Which is why Kirk getting the commmand of the enterprise is even a bigger joke then i mentioned beforehand.<br><br>Thank you for remind me of that fine moment from Star Trek 4, one of the ocasions where ST got absolutly right how the military operates in this type of circunstances. Thank you.

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 12:25 p.m. CST

    Assy

    by Kaiser Soze

    I haven't misspelled half my words, so I don't need an excuse. And being Portugese isn't really an excuse for poor grammar, especially when you've consistantly proved that you can spell words like "jar jar", "fuck off", and "shit trek". In fact, you spell those so good, why not STOP USING THEM and work on words you have trouble with? Besides, you can obviously spell Portugese, which the majority of high school seniors in this country can't even spell (let alone locate Portugal on a map). But seriously, man, my whole point is that you have done nothing but harp on this subject for over six months. Don't you think maybe it's time to let it go? Seriously, it was a good flick and if you didn't like it, fine, you've said your piece. Now move along. Please, for the love of God, move along.

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 12:26 p.m. CST

    Nero was already Kahn, Nu Trek version

    by AsimovLives

    Nero was Kahn lite. A decaffed version. Is Nero the best thing Abrams and Orci can bring as a villain for their Nu Trek universe? Usually, first movies of franchises bother to get a cool and imposing villain, specially in an origins story, so that it can engage the audiences and also provide the heroes to an important obstacle to overcome, so that they can show their valour.<br><br>In Nu Trek, the heroes get by because they get very lucky all the time, convinient coincidences and deux ex machinas mannage to put them in the right path, and the villain is so dumb and stupid the man would had trouble tying his shoelaces.<br><br>You guys remember how in SPACE SEED Kahn mannaged to get hold of the Enterprise with manipulation and smart planing? And how he mananged to almost beat Kirk with a smaller ship through wit and smarts? That's a cleverly written villain. And this Nero guy? He's dangerous because he has the biggest meanest shit in the universe. Rod the dude that overwhelming advantage, and what he would be? The galaxy's cabin boy! Give me a break!<br><br>Hitchcock one said that a movie is as good as the villain. Nero in Nu Trek again proves what a weak bad movie it is.

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 12:29 p.m. CST

    Kaiser Soze

    by AsimovLives

    "And being Portugese isn't really an excuse for poor grammar".<br><br>Let's put that to the test and turn the tables around,a dn i want to see you write in my language, perfectly, grammaticaly correct to a T. Let me see you do that. Or arer ou jsut one of those smug idiots who do not have arguments on your own and use grammar as an excuse? Is that who you are? Prove me wrong. And no use trying to use any internet translators, it's extremely obvious when an english speaker uses those, they always fuck up.

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 12:45 p.m. CST

    *SQUONK* Wrong again AssLives...

    by Skyway Moaters

    I for one, and many other posters have said as much, didn't like the new Trek film very mutch at all. And I have never watched a single episode of Lost. Everyone keeps telling you that the problem isn't your dislike for Abrams Trek, the problem is with YOU. You piss people off by being a raging dick. They keep telling you that you piss them off for being a raging dick. You make some crackbrained argument that the reason they berate you is that they are mindless Abrams sycophants. They explain that no it's not. And the whole useless mess just goes round and round ad nauseam. SHUT UP ABOUT IT ALREADY. No one gives a fuck what you think about Trek.

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 12:45 p.m. CST

    Skyway! If you're still in here...

    by ebonic_plague

    Missed it earlier, but thanks, mang! I blocked it all out at the time, but maybe I should go back to those old squid TB's and go all Ash_williams on it. Madness, as you know, is like gravity... or maybe more like gravy... greasy and brown, often lumpy.

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 12:47 p.m. CST

    Ha, apparently you are...

    by ebonic_plague

    And if they need an appropriate sized Khan chest, I think Perlman's got one that would work, just have to airbrush it back to skin color...

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 12:53 p.m. CST

    it's like talking to a brick wall

    by Kaiser Soze

    a brick wall living in his mother's basement who can't break his obsession for his daddy's Star Trek, can't accept that things can and always will change, can't accept the fact that the new Star Trek made more money than any of the previous films, and can't understand that most on this site are tired of his repetitive bullshit. Like talking to a brick fucking wall. Anyone know how to say "Let it go you obsessive retard" in Portugese?

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 12:55 p.m. CST

    Oh, and Assy

    by Kaiser Soze

    I don't need to speak or write in your language because I'M NOT ON A PORTUGESE SPEAKING WEBSITE BASED IN PORTUGAL, but rather and English speaking one based out of Texas.

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 12:59 p.m. CST

    Skyway Moaters

    by AsimovLives

    Flatery will get you nowhere.

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 1 p.m. CST

    Kaiser Soze

    by AsimovLives

    It's PORTUGUESE.

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 1:06 p.m. CST

    Assy

    by Kaiser Soze

    ABRAMSLIVES!

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 1:06 p.m. CST

    OH

    by Kaiser Soze

    and it flatTery

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 1:07 p.m. CST

    and Kaiser Soze

    by AsimovLives

    Your tactic is called argumentation ad hominem, and it's a fail. You fail to provide a good reasonable reasion why i should think Nu Trek is a good movie. Which is a constant common tactic among the Nu Trek fans. What should i think of that? Good? I don't think so.<br><br>Either you provide with logic, reasonable, thoughful coments in defense of your movie, of there's nothing to say. And that's the constant i keep on seeing among the Nu Trek fans. You included.<br><br>And your coments brinign down somebody who talks to you in their second language for your benefit is just pure smugness. You reeally don't get it, do you? You show yourself to be a spoiled smug brat. Bad call.

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 1:13 p.m. CST

    AssimovLives, about the military...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...you are definitely wrong. Especially in situations, such as the one in the Star Trek movie, where there has been a high incidence of mortality among the officer class. <p> One quick example, just off the top of my head? During the American Civil War George Armstrong Custer was promoted from lieutenant to brigadier general. At the age of 23. To become the youngest general in the history of the Union Army.

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 1:14 p.m. CST

    You So Crazy

    by Autodidact

    Kill yoself fool.

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 1:35 p.m. CST

    Red Ned Lynch

    by AsimovLives

    It's ASIMOVLIVES, thank you very much.<br><br>As for the depletion of the officers, you know what would actually happen? The general would get demoted to serve the extraordinary circunstances and made captains of the ships. Why? Becasue they have soemthing the junior officers don't: EXPERIENCE IN COMMAND.<br><br>So, again, the movie fails in this regard. To be plausible, it would not be Kirk that would get a promotion to Captain, but it was one of the Federation admirals that would be given the rank of acting captain and command a ship, until the time any of the ensigns would raise through the ranks, like protocol demands, to reach captain.<br><br>And even by your logic, Kirk wouldn't still be captain. He would be acting captain, as in, he didn't had really the rank of captain, he would still be ensign, but acting as captain until somebody able would fill the role. Yes, many times in wars junior officers get to chosen to act above their rank when the superior officer dies or is incapacitated. They never get a full promotion. That's movie bullshit stuff. In reality, they get an acting commission until the unit gets a proper ranked officer.<br><br>Either way, again, the movie completly fails.

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 1:36 p.m. CST

    I guess the people who made this movie mistake...

    by AsimovLives

    ... captain of a ship with captain of a fotball team. Which would be consistent of their depiction of the Federation as high school.

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 1:39 p.m. CST

    Nathan Fillion as the Starship Enterprise is a Great Idea

    by Rene_Belloq_12inch_Figure

    by AsimovLives

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 1:53 p.m. CST

    Red Ned Lynch

    by AsimovLives

    Back to yourpost above, the funniest thing is that you gave more though to it then the filmmakers who made this movie. You truly did. I have seen many people in here who, in defense of the movie, gave more though to it then the filmmakers themselves, however lite their arguments might be.<br<<br>A great example of this was how many people though and poitned out that kirk eating an appel on the Kobiashi Maru scene was a node and a reference to Star Trek II, in that the scene when Kirk tells how he beated the test, he was eating an appel. Even I have to admit it was a nice touch. Silly and on the nose, but fun.<br>However, in the audio comentary, Abrams says that it never crossed their mind to do that reference, they just made Kirk eat an apple during the Kobiashi maru scene so that, in Abrams' words, he would loom like like a punk ass. "Punk ass" is his exact words.<br><br>This is an example of the spirit this movie was made. And i don't think it was a good approach. And the movie shows.

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 1:54 p.m. CST

    Rene_Belloq_12inch_Figure calls racist to everybody...

    by AsimovLives

    ... who doesn't suck Will Smith's cock. Don't dare not love Will Smith, or he will call you a racist. Be warned.

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 2:18 p.m. CST

    I love how the only time Asimov's supporters come out

    by SithMenace

    is when Asimov is online. Meaning he has multiple s/n's and agrees with himself. <p>You're such a douche Asimov. Lol.

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 2:20 p.m. CST

    And the reward you asked for above

    by SithMenace

    the reacharound, means that you want to be buttfucked by Bob Orci with Abrams watching. You're a sick fuck. Or a retarded 12 year old that knows nothing about sex.

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 2:20 p.m. CST

    I don't love Will Smith.

    by SithMenace

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 2:26 p.m. CST

    Abramslives

    by Kaiser Soze

    My argument has never been that you should like the movie. I could give a crap less if you like it or not. My entire argument is that you should stop professing your hate for the movie and J.J. Abrams in such a childish, completely assinins way. You can hate the movie until the end of time for all I care. What I want is for the juvenile "Shit Trek" and "Jar Jar" crap to stop. It's not funny. It was never funny. And it's plain annoying, not just to me, but to the majority of people on these TB's. My argument is that you need to step outside your basement and realize that there's a world outside your obsession, that life goes on, and that it's just a fucking movie. My only wish is that you either get over it, or, if that is impossible for you, then you present your arguments in a more adult manner and end your ridiculous rants. Keep hating it, just stop trying to shove your hatred down our collective throats.

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 2:34 p.m. CST

    SithMenace

    by AsimovLives

    Wrong. I only have this nick and this nick only. I'm not even the other Asimovs, like AsomovDiedOfAIDS. I'm just this nick and nobody else, believe you me. I wouldn't need such cheap tricks to defend my positions. but that you brough that up is in itself suspicious. You ever did that yourself?<br><br>And by the way, good job in calling out on that Rene_Belloq_12inch_Figure idiot. However much changrin i might get from you Nu Trekkies, this Rene_Belloq_12inch_Figure is far, far, far worst. This assclown is a racism who calls racists to all those who don't have as much love for Will Smith as he does, and always uses the race card every single time thre's the smallest criticism against his favorite star. How more of a loser can you get?

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 2:37 p.m. CST

    happy new year

    by Boborci

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 2:38 p.m. CST

    AsimovLives...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    George Armstrong Custer, promoted from lietutenant to Brigadier General, responsible for an entire brigade. This isn't my opinion. This is military history. <p> I'm not just saying this happened. It happened. Neither your nor my opinion matters. I can give you a lot of other similar, if not quite to famous (and therefore, I thought, an easy discussion ender) examples of this. <p> Junior officers are quite often jumped over others who are senior in the promotion lists. It would be far less likely for a junior lieutenant to be promoted to a brigadier general in this day and age (though in large part that is because current warfare among nations tends to protect the brass very effectively) but even in today's military a promotion from major or captain to full bird colonel is not unheard of. <p> But seriously, now you're are the point of saying "I'm right and history is wrong". <p> For instance, Custer held the rank of brigadier general until after the Civil War ended, when the US military was reduced by 90% and virtually every officer who chose to stay in the service had to accept a reduction in rank. So it was no temporary battlefield promotion. It was a promotion which lasted until the war ended and the job was gotten rid of. If the military had stayed at its Civil War size Custer would have stayed a general.

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 2:39 p.m. CST

    Kaiser Soze

    by AsimovLives

    You call my posts above where i explained in detail some reasons why the Nu Trek fails? You call that asinine? You even know what the word means? You are reaching at straws. And your silly childish grammar nazi antics made you look like an thoughless pedantic smug xenophobic. You shouldn't had never done that. It was far worst then any antics i migth had in mocking this movie. If you are going to disagre with me about the movie, DISAGREE ABOUT THE MOVIE. Got the point now? I already provided some posts for you to debate the movie. What are you going to do about it? Keep on making useless baseless coments on my person? You can keep them to yourself, thank you very much, and good ridance.

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 2:41 p.m. CST

    Sorry, I haven't addressed you...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...about Star Trek before because whether or not you like Star Trek doesn't really matter to me. <p> But history, you know, it kind of does.

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 2:41 p.m. CST

    Pointless.

    by Skyway Moaters

    I'm out. Babble on you twisted imbecile. Time for "Coventry" kids. (Google it I'm on a smart phone, too much trouble...) It worked in large measure with that raging psychopath Coughlin's Laws during the '08 elections.

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 2:46 p.m. CST

    Abramslives

    by Kaiser Soze

    Yes, you did present your arguments. But read the 20 some odd posts you put in above those, as well as the hundreds you have put in other threads over the past six months, posts that are nothing but "Shit Trek" this and "Jar Jar" that. Your few detailed posts notwithstanding, nine out of ten of your posts you come off as a moronic douchebag that's likely not yet out of his tween years. You can't erase all your bullshit in a few posts. As for the spelling, how am I or anyone else supposed to know what nationality a person named "abramslives" is? All I know is that you come off like a teenage asshole in most of your posts, and that the poor spelling makes it hard to understand sometimes. Not Nazi antics, just facts, my man (or are you a woman? can't even tell that from your name).

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 2:46 p.m. CST

    Red Ned Lynch

    by AsimovLives

    That's history and i'm not going to discuss history because it happened. But let me ask you this, was Custer an already exrienced officer when he was made ad hoc a brigader? Yes he was.<br>br>But that situation, however fascinating piec eof history it is (and it is, and i thank you for telling me tha,t i'm a nut for history, and military history), it doesn't aply to the situation at the end of Nu Trek.<br><br>In the movie, which is never actauilly given any direct indication, but if we are to suppose that the whole middle officers of the Federation were exterminated in the attack at the Narada, what do we now get? On one hand, a bunch of unexperienced ensigns. On the other hand, a bunch of experienced of superior officers, Admirals, Commodores and the like. i ask you this, what is the most logical and wise set to make? To put an experienced officer in command of the starships, the very backbone of the Federation? Or a bunch of unexperienced, unproved ensigns? You tell me.<br><br>And allow me to say this again, you are giving more though to this then the filmamkers of the movie ever did. Think about that.

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 2:48 p.m. CST

    Fair enough AbramsLives

    by SithMenace

    I'll have to take your word that you only have one s/n, but you still asked to be buttfucked by Bob Orci. And Abrams Trek is still here to stay.

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 2:49 p.m. CST

    Kaiser Soze

    by AsimovLives

    And in what way would my "Jar Jar" coments invalidate anything that i have said in my above posts? Your problem is that you assumed, right out of hand and withoput any proof and evidence, that i had no though about my disastifaction and dislike of Nu Trek. You though i was just harping about, without a though and reason. It's not my fault you got the wrong assuption, it's your who presumed without knowing. And as the say goes, presumption is the mother of all fucks up. Next time, try ask me. As in, talking. You know, really talking. I'm a sucker for that, how about you?

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 2:56 p.m. CST

    SithMenace

    by AsimovLives

    "And Abrams Trek is still here to stay."<br><br>As if i could do anything against it. But that doesn't invalidate having an opinion about it, does it? Or should just the fact that a moviee xists invalidates any criticism of it?<br><br>And butt fucked by Orci? Where you got that fantasy from? And where's that Orci assclown, anyway? Never returned, has he? Sounds like he's the one with the sore ass, if you ask me. The fool though he would be treated as a prince if he came. What a delusional assclown!

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 2:57 p.m. CST

    Where's Bob Orci, anyway?

    by AsimovLives

    Why isn't he in here anymore? He used to be such a fixed regular feature in this Nu Trek talkbacks without fail.

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 3 p.m. CST

    Abramslives

    by Kaiser Soze

    "would my "Jar Jar" coments invalidate anything that i have said in my above posts" - No, it doesn't invalidate them. Your douchebaggery, however, DOES invalidate you, and we all just want you to stop.

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 3:12 p.m. CST

    You really don't get it AsimovLives? Can you really be that stup

    by Skyway Moaters

    You have made people HATE you be being a raging dickhead over and over for months and months to the point where they can't stand the sight of an AsimovLives post. They're never going to have a polite logical discussion with you now, it's too late. We all stopped giving a shit about anything you have to say MONTHS ago. You're just an irritant now. A very unimaginitive, un-entertaining, albeit effective TROLL.<p> If it gives you satifisfaction, so be it, but this is the last time I will ever respond to you and I encourage others to deal with you like-wise.

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 3:17 p.m. CST

    AsimovLives?

    by p0llk4t

    Choke on goat cock fuckface. Why would anyone ever want to learn Portuguese? On the list of completely useless languages it's in the top 1 percent. Just below Klingon and the one Milla Jovovich spoke in the 5th Element. I've never heard a more feminine language spoken than Portuguese. No one is debating Star Trek with you stupid...they are just debating if you are really as worthless a human being as you present yourself cum stain.<br><br>Every post makes me wonder why your goat of a mother chose not to abort you and you seem to be on a slow downward spiral to full retard. No wait, that gives the mentally handicapped a bad name.<br><br>Your obsession with AbramsLives is the real question her. If I were him I would put your name on a stalker watch list. I can guarantee you masturbate daily to images of his head Photoshoped onto a goat's body. Your love/hate/obsession is disturbing to say the least. Is there any point for you to be on this planet? Do you have any friends? We know you've never touched a woman.

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 3:20 p.m. CST

    Kaiser Soze

    by AsimovLives

    Yeah, whatever! From my point of view, the douchebaggery resides elsewhere. From the fools who bring nothing but mere personal insulting and no argumentation whatsoever. Guess who?

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 3:22 p.m. CST

    Skyway Moaters

    by AsimovLives

    You calling others stupid. do you know what the word irony means? And what kind of person are insulted by me? Frankly, from the display i get here, none which i would care much in the first place. What did i lose? Nothing!

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 3:27 p.m. CST

    I love the Pro-Nu Trek viciousness

    by AsimovLives

    I only really insult a movie and the hacks who made it. The Nu fans personally attack those who dare criticise the movie.<br><br>OK, one question: when was spread out the memo that said that in this talkbacks about nu Trek, only the fans whjo liked the movie should post and nobody else? Are you the fans of the movie so fragille and insecure in your position that you can't see somebody agasint it? Can't you, at least, ignore any coment you don't agree? Are you that thin-skinned? What's the matter? Why would you care if i post in here or not about this movie? Since when this is only about the fans who like it? Where is the memo? How more complacent can you get? Get over it, dudes. If you don't like my posts, fine. But this is democracy, deal with it. Learn to understand the spirit of democracy and live it. and no, democracy is not just politics and voting for your favorite party. It's about everything. This talkbacks, opinions, its about life! Can you deal it, or can't you? Do you believe in democracy, or you just do it lip service?

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 3:42 p.m. CST

    I just found this memo under my desk

    by AsimovLives

    It's dated from about four months ago. It says: "To all participant talkbackers: From encefoward, all talkbacks dedicated to the subject of J.J. Abrams directed Star trek and others directly or indirectly related, are to have only the participation of all those who consider the film and it's director and writers as a marvelous achievement in cinema history, and it's creaters as people of immense talent, vision and originality. Anybody who does not share this high retard for the aforementioned film and creators are therefore to desit posting their coments in said talkbacks. Negative criticism of the aforemntioned movie and it's creators are non grata."<br><br>Gosh, i wish i had read this memo before. It's not my fault, it just felt under my desk and i lost sight of it. Never got to read it in due time. So sorry, guys. Sorry to ruin your happy Jar Jar Abrams's NuTrek Appreciation Party. So sorry. Please forgive me.

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 4:10 p.m. CST

    AsimovLives...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...okay, first, tucking "high retard" into the middle of the memo was funny. <p> Second, just remind people they speak Portuguese in Brazil and Brazil is going to be a major power in the coming century. Tons of untapped natural resources and rapidly growing infrastructure. <p> Still don't get the level of hate you have for this movie, but I guess we all have movies we hate. <p> Oh, and by the way, Custer had no command experience before getting his promotion. It was almost unheard of for this to happen but the heroism and leadership he showed at the Second Battle of Bull Run was such that the promotion was given. But I'll grant you it was quite a big deal that it happened.

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 4:17 p.m. CST

    Red Ned

    by Kaiser Soze

    I think he actually loves J.J. and Star Trek. He goes so out of his way in a ridiculous manner to make sure everyone knows how much he hates it all, it's become obvious he's just trying to repress those closeted feelings of love for it.

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 4:23 p.m. CST

    Kaiser Soze...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...the strange thing is all the fussing and fighting got me to watch it again last night. And...I found myself liking it even better the third time. <p> Having already dealt with my disappointment about the plot I was able to just enjoy the characters and the chemistry, which damn if there aren't bits that are close to perfect. <p> So, hmmm...maybe you're right.

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 4:30 p.m. CST

    STAR T2EK seems like the way to go....

    by Bunger!

    urp.

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 4:36 p.m. CST

    ominus

    by BurnHollywood

    Thanks, dude. And major league props for being so correct about AVATAR...Cameron truly is a modern day master. Hope he starts his own studio...it would suck to go another twelve years without him.

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 4:38 p.m. CST

    Karl Urban

    by Kaiser Soze

    is really what mad it for me - don't get me wrong, I enjoyed all the characters, but his version of Bones was spot on to me. I know they weren't trying to imitate, but I couldn't help but see a little DeForest Kelly every time he spoke. He was brilliant. The only casting choice I didn't like was Wynona Ryder. Nothing against her, in fact I had a huge crush on her growing up, from Lucas all the way through Reality Bites. However, she was the only one that really stood out for me, every time I saw her I couldn't help but think "it's Wynona Ryder in Star Trek". She didn't work for me. Maybe it had something to do with the last time I saw her in a sci fi flick, the utterly horrendous Alien Ressurection.

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 4:44 p.m. CST

    This is another thing that blow my mind about NuTrek fans

    by AsimovLives

    Suddently they realised that Karl Urban is a good actor? It took you guys this long to realise that obvious fact? Well, i guess it's better late then never.<br><br>And you guys know why his character is the only god character in the movie? Becasue more then half his dialogue in the movie are direct quotes or paraphrases from TOS. Easy way to write good dialogue that way, just simply copy and paste from better writers. Good job, Orci.

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 4:49 p.m. CST

    Abramslives in the past

    by Kaiser Soze

    nuff said

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 4:50 p.m. CST

    Asimovlives in the past

    by Kaiser Soze

    him too

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 4:54 p.m. CST

    Red Ned Lynch

    by AsimovLives

    Don't also forget that Custer also got his fast promotion due to his wife's connections. Custer was more of a backstage politician then a real military man. He just proved he had natural courage under fire. Or more believably, he was a near-psychopath who had no real notion of fear and danger. And as a tactician, he was poor. He only proved good if he had the upepr hand and had superior numbers and superior firepower. Julius Caesar he wasn't. <br><br>And the fact that Custer's promotion was so unusual to the point it was never repeated again in the history of america just proves that his was a matter of politics and not real rewarding of military talent. In fact, his promotion reads more like what used to happen when aristocracy rules the world and you got apointed to high ranks just because you were born into nobility, regardless of merit. All this aristos needed was just one display of courage under fire, and bam, instant promotion to high places. Meanwhile, if you were born a plebe, you would be a brillant man of action and incredible smart, you would still be incredibly lucky if you could ever get above captain... and that wouldneed backstage politics skills as well.<br><br>And when i see NuTrek's Kirk promotion to captaincy of THE ONLY REMAINING SHIP (or so it seems), that makes me remind of those aristos of old and their fast raise through luck and connections.<br><br>And beleive me, i have lots mroe reasons why i have a dislike for this movie. As many as there's minutes in its running time. It took Bay's Tranformers 2 and Emmerich's 2012 for me to see a more intelligence insulting movie then NuTrek, which says a lot.

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 4:54 p.m. CST

    AsimovLives

    by BurnHollywood

    Nice, well argued points on NewKirk's ridiculous promotion. Which is odd, because Kaiser Soze says you don't back up your points, just let loose with the vitriol...<p> And for anyone who thinks I'm an AL sock puppet, I will point out that I'm softer on Abrams than he is...I think he's a talented director, but he has real deficit in his writing department, even when he does it himself...<p> (I'm still groaning about how Agent Hunt in MI3 gives his fiance a 30 second crash course in automatic pistol shooting, and she manages to outshoot Davian's highly trained badasses, wrecking an otherwise nifty movie...I never want to hear that stupid fucking "just point and shoot" line in another actioner again, and it keeps cropping up like a bad penny)<p> I think Urban, Quinto and (despite his lines) Pine were well-cast, I liked the epic "feel", look and pace the film had (even if the plot didn't hold up, and lens flares be damned) and Spock's backstory was well-handled, even if Kirk's was a disaster. The fault lies entirely with Orci/Kurtzman. In addition to their usual hackey TF2-style writing, they did a superficial level of homework on the TREK universe, and to them I say...<p> MEMORY FUCKING ALPHA DOT ORG. THE TREKKIES DID ALL THE WORK FOR YOU...NO MORE FUCKING EXCUSES.

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 4:56 p.m. CST

    Abrams lives in the past

    by AsimovLives

    I'd say so. In the day he saw Star Wars for the first time. His latest movie shows.

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 5:03 p.m. CST

    I liked Quinto as Spock

    by AsimovLives

    I don't think anybody else would be as good as him to play Spock. I'm a big fan of his casting of spock. It's dead perfect. The problem is not him, Quinto, as an actor. He did very fine with the material that was given him. The problem WAS THE MATERIAL that they gave him. Wha he had to say, what he had to do, it's just unbelievable. They turned Spock into an emo mommy boy. Now, Spock is all about emotions. Emotions are awesome, you got that, Spock? Gone is the logical Spock. The clowns who wrote and direct the movie didn't even noticed that it was extablished that Vulcans are MORE logical in their younger years, as they have all that Academy instruction fresh on their mind, and it's only when they are much older they allow a resemblance of emotion to govern their lifes, IN VERY LIMITED AND ISOLATED MOMENTS.<br><br>The thing that is very aparent in NuTrek is that the filmmakers have a tremendous dislike and suspision of logic. I woulc even sa,y they havne't the slightest idea what logic is. So, let's just play all emotions. They sure know about them, they are experts at teen dramas, they turned Star Trek into a teen drama show.

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 5:04 p.m. CST

    p0llk4t

    by BurnHollywood

    "Why would anyone ever want to learn Portuguese? On the list of completely useless languages it's in the top 1 percent."<p> Given that Portugese-speaking Brazil is hugely influential in the Latin American world and one of the fastest growing economies in the world, I'd have to disagree. And if you think they're "feminine", I'd recommend a little movie called CITY OF GOD to set you straight.

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 5:12 p.m. CST

    BurnHollywood

    by AsimovLives

    "In addition to their usual hackey TF2-style writing, they did a superficial level of homework on the TREK universe"<br><br>I'd say! One doesn't need to be a Star Trek expert to figure that out. The funny thing is, Orci and Abrams were so obsessed with some obscure usless trivia to throw to the movie, like the Admiral's Biggle story, and yet couldn't even bother to figure out or known about or learn about the most important established fundamentals about the universe of they were making the movie about. Their attitude is beyond wierd. It's complacency to a level i never seen before. It's arrogance, even. Just hear them in themovie's audio comentary, how self-contant they are in showing off how little they knew of Star Trek, and still don't. This guys never did their homework. It's mind boggling! There have been filmmakers before who were newcamers to the Star Trek universe and yet still mannaged to make movies which fit in and made sense to the establsihed canon one way or another. Robert Wiseand Nichaolas Meyers, for instance. At least this filmmakers showed respect. I see none whatsoever in the NuTrek and the filmmakers who made it. This people were more concerned in puttigntheir "vision" first and foremos,t and then make the most shalow and superficial of lip service. They msut have thoughthey were pulling a Christopher Nolan on Batmna Begins. What this guys didn't udnerstood was that Nolan was first respectful to the Batman mythos and then he put his vision on it. It's quite clear that Abrasm and Orci and the rest of the gang just took a gig about soemthignthey knew little about and didn't bother to learn their way through. They treated it all as a business oportunity and as an ego boasting oportunity. And it shows.

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 5:17 p.m. CST

    BurnHollywood

    by AsimovLives

    Don't try to argue with that ignorant p0llk4t. It's useless. And don't forget, portuguese is the 6th most spoken language in the world, spoken for more then a thousand years already. Harldy a useless and unimportant language, hem?

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 5:21 p.m. CST

    And i would love to see p0llk4t call "feminine"

    by AsimovLives

    to the face of most brazilians or portuguese. He beating he would get would be the stuff of legend. Aparently, this assclown forgot who invented the Capoeira martial art. p0llk4t is just naother assclown without a mind of his own. He's an embaracement to all the fans of NuTrek who want to be taken seriously.

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 5:32 p.m. CST

    Asimovlivesinthepast

    by Kaiser Soze

    I finally figured it out. You're not a kid. You're just an all growed up version of one of those kids who would argue points of continuity between different episodes with the cast members at Trek conventions. It's okay, dude. Just go buy three seasons of TOS on blu ray and pretend humans entertainment never advanced after that and the new movie didn't happen. While the rest of us here in good ol mainstream society will enjoy a movie that gave us a reason to give a shit about Star Trek again.

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 6:18 p.m. CST

    I don't argue with AssholeGivesGoatHead...

    by p0llk4t

    ...I just verbally murder him. Arguing with that waste of skin is like arguing with a stump. I could give a fuck about Star Trek and AbramsLives.<br><br>That's the point...no rational human with an ounce of pride and self respect would spend even more than a few dozen posts about a movie they didn't like. Yet this tool spends months and months jizzing all over every TB he infects with his slobbery, half-assed, weak-sauce OPINIONS about a fucking Star Trek movie. And he claims he's not a Trekkie. I believe he's not a Trekkie now...it has much more to do with his obsessive unrequited love for AbramsLives.<br><br>I'm not sure if it's because JJ turned him down when AssholeGives was working along will all the rest of the trannys in West Hollywood or what. But this cocksucker cannot help but bring his name into every TB...no matter what the topic.<br><br>This AssMaster has basically the same complaints about Avatar...yet he can't help but give Cameron sloppy head and a pass on that movie. But because it's Abrams...he'd rather take it right in the ass. I mean it takes an epic, self-loathing, douche bag to rant about how much he hates a movie and then rewatch it multiple times with the director's commentary on.<br><br>At first I thought he was a troll...but that's giving him way too much credit. Asshole actually believes the shit he writes. And nice try attempting to bring Brazil into the argument...you can only wish you were Brazilian. Most Brazilians actually get laid. What's your excuse?

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 6:50 p.m. CST

    AsimovLives...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...you're...completely wrong about Custer's promotion. <p> Custer wasn't married to his wife Libby when he received his promotion during the Civil War. <p> Custer wasn't even permitted to seriously court Libby (her dad was a Judge who didn't approve of Custer) until he'd achieved the rank of brigadier and fought successfully under Phil Sheridan...it was in 1864). <p> Custer didn't get involved in politics until after the Civil War, though he had earlier served under a very politically active general. <p> Custer did not come from a wealthy family. <p> Custer fought a number of successful engagements during the Civil War and was rather highly regarded for his grasp of Cavalry tactics. He was in fact instrumental in the battle that resulted in the death of JEB Stuart and entrusted with blocking Lee's line of retreat from Appomattox. <p> So nearly every point you made there was wrong. You can look it up if you don't believe me. <p> Even on the internet. <p> Oh, and also Custer was the son of a blacksmith and his family was poor enough that he spent a lot of his childhood living with other relatives. <p> Seriously, you can look all these things up.

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 7:09 p.m. CST

    You're wasting your time RedNed...

    by Skyway Moaters

    It doesn't really read other peoples posts beyond gathering the necessary bits to spout vitriolic anti-social horseshit. COVENTRY! STOP RESPONDING! Period, full stop.

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 7:10 p.m. CST

    Best Generations moment:

    by beane2099

    When Captain Kirk and Captain Picard make an omlette together. As a young boy, I often hoped I would get to see such a moment pass between these two icons even before I knew there would be a Captain Picard. I hear tell in the deleted scenes Picard makes some fresh squeezed OJ.

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 7:13 p.m. CST

    Skyway Moaters...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...worse yet, he's now put me into the position of sounding like I'm defending one of our greatest historical jackasses. <p> I'm not defending Custer! <p> Truth. It's truth I'm defending. <p> shit, i'm more than a quarter cherokee...i'm going to some kind of hell for this...

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 7:22 p.m. CST

    Fret not Red Net...

    by Skyway Moaters

    ... I'm one quarter Choctaw, and my ancestors would have hunted IT down and farted in his face deeming IT not worthy of killing...

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 7:22 p.m. CST

    I wish I cared about anything, as much as Asi hates Trek09..

    by Billyeveryteen

    I am 10 times the Star Trek fan Asi is, but I just don't care. Even I understand that Nemesis is far more insulting and stupid than "Nu Trek". He can't make that journey. His "hatred" burns far more brightly. Last time I was that passionate about something was...<p>Never.

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 7:29 p.m. CST

    Doh! Red NeD! (sorry dude)

    by Skyway Moaters

    "CUSTER DIED FOR *IT'S* SINS"! <p> COVENTRY!!!

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 7:39 p.m. CST

    *sigh* EDIT FUNCTION!: *ITS*

    by Skyway Moaters

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 8:09 p.m. CST

    the canon argument

    by seniorspeilbergio

    That just doesn't hold water. Trek was never "weighted down by canon". It was weighted down by Berman Burnout. Yeah, he fucked up Trek good and proper but I still don't think he was the bad guy everyone makes him out to be. He resided over something like 600 hours of Trek. No one could stay creatively fresh like that. He didn't even want to do the last two shows. Paramount forced him to. As far as canon, that's already been disproven. TNG anyone? Yes it only had one show and four movies it had to "match up" to but it also had 20 years of mythology and fan expectations to "get it right". And as I remeber, the original idea behind TNG was to not show any characters or worlds that came before (they broke that rule but not that much). I never felt the original show hanging over TNG's head. If you want to get rid of canon in the Star Trek universe then simply set your NEW IDEA farther into the future, say 100 years or so. The "weighted down by canon" excuse is bogus. Besides that, these guys didn't even follow canon for the one or two little things they crossed over from the OS. And I really don't remember canon getting convoluted considering Okuda kept an encyclopedia and chronolgy for all the shows for the express purpose of keeping everything straight for new writers. You can even buy 'em. Surly Abrams' and his "writers" can find a copy.

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 8:22 p.m. CST

    ASIMOVLIVES...

    by seniorspeilbergio

    There is a bright side to Jar Jar Trek. Now, I'm assuming your a fan of the original as well as the 90's shows (except for Voyager. Let's not talk about that). The 90's shows, in there current state; cannot be released on Blu Ray because all 80's/90's shows had there final edits created on half inch beta tape. The show's and the effects themselves were all shot on 35mm but were then transferred to beta quality tape for the actual master edit. Now, to remaster all those shows for Blu Ray (which the quality of those tape masters will never stand up to); they would have to digitally scan all of the original film elements and create a new edit to match up to the aired version (which can be done. Those Beta masters have keycodes on the bottom which act the same as timecodes.)This goes for effects too with the added step that they would actually have to recomposite the seperate effects elements digitally. That's all going to cost a shitload of money. The only way I can see Paramount footing the bill for this is if Jar Jar Trek brings in enough profit (and puts ALL the shows back in the public consciousness) for them to justify the cost. So, I won't be seeing any more Jar Jar Trek but man I sure hope the rest of these guys do. It's worth putting up for that isn't it?

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 8:25 p.m. CST

    Thanks Bob, Happy New Year to you too!

    by DrMorbius

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 8:57 p.m. CST

    Asslives has sex w/ goats.

    by Sal_Bando

    Asslives has sex w/ goats while dressed up as Chris Pine. Asslives has sex w/ goats while dressed up as Chris Pine reciting Shatner. Asslives has sex w/ goats while dressed up as Chris Pine reciting Shatner while rear-ending his fave goat 'Uhura'. Asslives has sex w/ goats while dressed up as Chris Pine reciting Shatner while rear-ending his fave goat Uhura' while watching an Abrams Trek Marathon. Asslives has sex w/ goats while dressed up as Chris Pine reciting Shatner while rear-ending his fave goat Uhura while watching an Abrams Trek Marathon and being rear-ended by his Other fave goat, Scotty.

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 10:49 p.m. CST

    Yeah, AssLove, Trek got a WGA nom.

    by Tall_Boy66

    For best adapted screenplay. Usually whoever wins the WGA Award wins an Oscar. I hope I can see your head explode from across the globe.

  • Jan. 11, 2010, 10:52 p.m. CST

    And The Next Next Generation would have sucked

    by Tall_Boy66

    People want to see Kirk, Spock, McCoy. The funny uniforms. A ship named Enterprise. Like, did we really need another Next Gen. where, like, the Klingons and Federation hate each other and the Borg are everywhere? Uh, no.

  • Jan. 12, 2010, 2:10 a.m. CST

    seniorspeilbergio

    by BurnHollywood

    100% agree on your "Berman burnout" theory. DOCTOR WHO would routinely wear out its producers and require a shake-up on a regular basis. Russell T. Davies is just the latest example.<p> On a side note, apologies for the pre-AVATAR fracas...you and ominus were totally correct: great show, Cameron's the man.<p> (Eating crow isn't so bad, though...it's all in the preparation. Hannibal Lecter recommends fattening up the bird with juniper berries beforehand...)

  • Jan. 12, 2010, 2:26 a.m. CST

    AsimovLives

    by BurnHollywood

    "Their attitude is beyond wierd. It's complacency to a level i never seen before. It's arrogance, even. Just hear them in themovie's audio comentary, how self-contant they are in showing off how little they knew of Star Trek, and still don't. This guys never did their homework."<p> There's two reasons I believe this happens. The first is just good ol' Hollywood mega-egos. It's no longer enough to simply adapt a cartoon/comic/novel/TV series...oh, no. It now has to be "re-envisioned", "deconstructed" and "enhanced". GI JOE is an even worse example...<p> The second, uglier reason is greed: the more Paramount can push the franchise away from Rodenberry's original vision, the less they have to worry about including his estate and any other claimant's to the original TREK universe in their licensing deals (DVDs, toys, comics, books, etc).<p> Think I'm too cynical? Marvel/Disney just sued the Kirby family to screw them out of any money due from the multitude of characters their innovative relative created. And SUPERMAN is in limbo while DC figures out a way to chisel Siegel out of the picture...

  • Jan. 12, 2010, 8:27 a.m. CST

    PLEASE no more Simon Pegg as Scotty

    by tradeskilz

    Star Trek doesnt need some ridicilous comic relief character who speaks in a funny voice and acts like a fucking idiot. He is the equvivalent of Jar-jar Binks. Karl Urban was funny without acting like a total moron. I blame the audience for this actually. Simon Pegg probably tested 100%. He gives the audience someone to identify with or feel superior to. He is what i like to call the 'chimp'. In lieu of an actual chimp to laugh at and feel superior to, there much be a human character that acts like fucking monkey instead. Enter Simon Pegg.

  • Jan. 12, 2010, 9:22 a.m. CST

    REBOOT the new star trek

    by idrinkyourmilkshake

    The "re-imagining" of Star Trek to be rebooted. Starring all 16 year olds as the main cast, we can expect the reboot in 2012.Followed by yet another reboot.

  • Jan. 12, 2010, 11:55 a.m. CST

    BurnHollywood

    by AsimovLives

    I think you hit the nail in the head. And it makes thing look even worst then just mere incompetent. It's the height of cynicism, as you mentioned. It's disturbing in it's souless machinations. Paramount Pictures has been known as a den of thieves since the early 80s, and they aren't slowing down. And they are hiring the right lackeys, as we can see from NuTrek's example.

  • Jan. 12, 2010, 11:57 a.m. CST

    idrinkyourmilkshake

    by AsimovLives

    You jest, but really, it's not entirely out of the realm of possibilities, i'm affraid.

  • Jan. 12, 2010, 12:02 p.m. CST

    tradeskilz

    by AsimovLives

    Scotty was always a bit of a comedic character, even in the TOS. howeve,r he was also a consumate professional, and exceletn at what he did. If you rewatch TOS again, you will notice that whenever Kirk and Spock were on a away mission, Scotty got the comm. And he was very good at it, never alowed anybody to be made a fool and always mannaged to do the right thing at the right time. The great thing about Scotty at TOS is that they mannaged to create a perfect balalnce between an excentric character which much of the humour was relied upon, but he was also an important and serious character totally fundamental to any sucess of the enterprise's missions. Small wonder he became of the the most beloved characters of the show.<br>In NuTrek, i agree, they pusehd too hard for the comedy angle, because i fear the filmmakers had no clue how to make Scotty look smart and competent thoughout the whole story except as another deux ex machina for the climax.

  • Jan. 12, 2010, 12:04 p.m. CST

    Tall_Boy66

    by AsimovLives

    I take that news in complete bewilderment. Those bribes are really working. Funniest news i heard all month, really.

  • Jan. 12, 2010, 12:08 p.m. CST

    seniorspeilbergio

    by AsimovLives

    Actually i'm more of a fan (if i can be caleld that) of TOS only. I know next to nothing about TNG, DS9, Voyager and Enteprise. Nor i have much interest to know them, with a slight possible exception on TNG, and only because i find the character of Picard fascinating, and i always liked Patrick Stewart as an actor since i saw Excalibur for the first time in the mid 80s.<br><br>Anmd frankly, if no other ST show besides TOS gets a digital make do for the next blu-ray editions, i'm not losing any sleep over it. i already have the complete TOS series DVDs, and that suffices me quite fine.

  • Jan. 12, 2010, 12:09 p.m. CST

    And some ST TOS movies too...

    by AsimovLives

    ... except Star Trek 4: Save The Whales and Star Trek 5: Kirk Vs God, because i really don't like them much.

  • Jan. 12, 2010, 12:16 p.m. CST

    seniorspeilbergio

    by AsimovLives

    There is an historical justificationfor why TOS is so wooby about it's own universe and it's own canon. It's because back then they were STILL CREATING THAT UNIVERSE. In fact, the canon was a much later creating, for TNG, so they could create a canvas for the TBG universe. NuTrek, however, has no such excuse because by now the canon is mostly very well established. If the filmamkers of NuTrek decided to sod the canon, they did it so they can be bothered to do any research and just push their own inflated egos into their movie and put whatever shit that striked their fancy. and also, as a way to go in complete gay abandon in putting in their movie as much Star Wars references and rip offs as they could. Complacency, dishonesty and egomania. Nicholas Meyers, Robert Wise and Leonard Nimoy did no such things when they made their Star Trek movies, and it shows. They were true professionals. A complete contrast to the smug self-satisfied little punk kids who made NuTrek.

  • Jan. 12, 2010, 12:21 p.m. CST

    Billyeveryteen

    by AsimovLives

    At least Nemesis is about soemthing, it has a theme in it's story. You know what's the theme in NuTrek? Abrams says so himself in the audio comentary. He says the theme in his movie is Kirk hanging out from great heights. I kid you not, that's what he really says about the movie. A complete example of the type of attitude and spirit this clowns had when they made their movie. And it shows.<br><br>And you should see me talk about about Batman Begins and The Dark Knight, you would know what love for a movie is about. I love them more then i "hate" (in fact, it's despise, loath, contempt, disrespect and disgust) NuTrek.

  • Jan. 12, 2010, 12:27 p.m. CST

    Red Ned Lynch

    by AsimovLives

    I stand corrected. You do know your history, and i have nothing but respect for that. Thanks for the history lesson, much appreciated. Even if it was about such a loathsome character as Custer. Still you got to agre with me, Custer's promotion is an isolated event that doesn't serve as an example. And really, his promotion has to be the result of backstage politics, because no way in the proper military proceduals it would ever happen. And it still deosn't justify the complete nonsense and blunders that Orci and Abrams did in their NuTrek movie. The universe of Star Trek is set in the future, where things are far more structurized and implemented, instead of the "still learning as we go along" chaotic situation of the Civil War, don't you think? Today, Custer's promotion would never happen. In the future, even less likely. The military are very strictly structured, and for a very good reason: it works that way.

  • Jan. 12, 2010, 12:30 p.m. CST

    asimov lives

    by tradeskilz

    I agree. The original Scotty was truly an iconic character. He was competent and commanded respect while still managing to be a funny character. This new Scotty is a buffoon, a simple clown. Can you honestly imagine Kirk handing over the bridge to this new scotty? I can just picture Simon Pegg sitting down in the command chair with that grin and stupid look on his face only to press some random button by mistake setting of some alarm while jumping in fright at the sound. The bridge crew would exchange looks and smile as if to say -aww he is so quirky and funny that we can totally forgive his command incompetence.

  • Jan. 12, 2010, 12:30 p.m. CST

    Red Ned Lynch

    by AsimovLives

    And for all it's worth, as a part cherokee, you have a great sympathy for me for your people which you have part blood. I have known about your cherokee people plights, and they are indeed heartbreaking. A people who has been the subject of one of the most dark and shameless betrayal in the history of your country. I have a lot of sympathy for the cherokee people, for all it's worth.

  • Jan. 12, 2010, 12:34 p.m. CST

    tradeskilz

    by AsimovLives

    And what's the deal with that alien side-kick of Scotty? Was that weirdity supposed to be funny? Their banter is supposed to be funny? Scotty know has his own sidekick? Talka bout filling the screen with useless characters that serve the story no function whatsoever. and then this asclown filmmakers complain they never have enough budget for their movies. Well, small wonder it hapepns, if they keep filling their movies with useless shit that serves the story absolutly no porpose whatsoever. Frankly, what was the target public they were thinking of when they invented Scott's weird ass sidekick?

  • Jan. 12, 2010, 12:38 p.m. CST

    that captain from the first 5 minutes

    by tradeskilz

    of the nu trek movie was awesome by the way. I'd watch a star trek movie with him in the lead.

  • Jan. 12, 2010, 12:39 p.m. CST

    Kaiser Soze

    by AsimovLives

    You still haven't a clue about me, i'm affraid. And guess what, i'm also part of the maisntream. You take me for a trekkie? WRONG! And that's the point. I'm mainstream in regarding Star Trek. But i also don't take fools gladly.<br><br>And really, what's your porpose in this talkback, anyway? Have you anything to say about the movie? Any thoughs to share? Anything to debate on? Or are you just here to coment on other people? You have done anything but. Are you just here to be a sanctimonious bore? What you think you will gain from that? A medal and a hug?

  • Jan. 12, 2010, 12:43 p.m. CST

    tradeskilz

    by AsimovLives

    He was cliche, and a very tiring and over-played cliche. The whole situation he was in, and the fucntion of his character was contrieved beyond belief. And all his dramatic angle was cheap melodrama of the most obvious and manipulative kind. but i have to agre with you on one thing, compared to the rest of the characters that followed him in the movie, he was the only one that actually had a tangible real sympathetic nature. Instead of the irritating shallow teen assholes that came afterwards.<br><br>Another thing: correct me if i'm wrong, but in TOS wasn't Kirk's father a civilian? Or was it just his brother?

  • Jan. 12, 2010, 12:43 p.m. CST

    Oh ffs dont get me started on Scott's sidekick

    by tradeskilz

    im getting angry just thinking about that thing. Why the fuck would star fleet even allow some unknown alien to wander around engineering.

  • Jan. 12, 2010, 12:50 p.m. CST

    well that dude was the only one that felt like an officer.

    by tradeskilz

    Neither Kirk or his father seemed like the types. Then again they were both pretty young in comparison.

  • Jan. 12, 2010, 12:50 p.m. CST

    Asi, you're not known for Batman...

    by Billyeveryteen

    You only have fame for your wackjob ranting about Trek09.<p>You have brains, and something to contribute to any dialog. Yet you have ruined all your credibility with your batshit insane postings. Trek09 is your White Whale.p> You WILL go down with the ship.

  • Jan. 12, 2010, 12:55 p.m. CST

    That reminds me of Picard

    by tradeskilz

    Reading a passage from Moby Dick ot loud in First Contact. Good shit.

  • Jan. 12, 2010, 12:59 p.m. CST

    Faran Tahir as Captain Robau

    by tradeskilz

    He needs to be brougt back.

  • Jan. 12, 2010, 12:59 p.m. CST

    Faran Tahir as Captain Robau

    by tradeskilz

    He needs to be brougt back.

  • Jan. 12, 2010, 1:10 p.m. CST

    tradeskilz - alien wasn't unknown

    by Boborci

    the alien sidekick worked at a Starfleet outpost with Scotty.

  • Jan. 12, 2010, 1:25 p.m. CST

    THE BOBORCI COMETH

    by AsimovLives

    He still lives!!! HE LIVES!!!!! IT'S ALIVE!! IT'S ALIVE!!!

  • Jan. 12, 2010, 1:28 p.m. CST

    AsimovLives

    by Boborci

    I posted earlier, wishing you all a Happy New Year. But like so many things, you MISSED IT!

  • Jan. 12, 2010, 1:28 p.m. CST

    Billyeveryteen

    by AsimovLives

    Wrong, That proves your complete ignorance about me. i'm one of the most shameless Nolan and his movie's groupies in AICN, a fact that's widely known. And which i'm extremely proud of. You do not get to know an iceberg by just looking at the tip above the water, you know? The NuTrek talkbacks are just that, a mere a little tip.

  • Jan. 12, 2010, 1:38 p.m. CST

    Boborci, the little alien worked for Starfeet?

    by AsimovLives

    Doing what, exactly? Scrubbing the floors? It's quite clear the little dude was useless, as how you then explain Scotty beign upset at seeing it high above in some tubes on the brewry engine room at the end of the movie? If he was such a skilled Federation worker, why then the angry reaction from Scotty?<br><br>God, you guys don't even understand your own story you wrote, do you?<br><br> And by the way, good job at making yourself look like an ignorant fool in the audio comentary for your NuTrek bullshit movie. And not just yourself, Bob, everybody on that comentary looked liek complete smug self-satisfied and clueless idiots. I never heard before such a group of self-congratulating idiots before. You guys are quite something! Fucking asses!<br><br>And Fringe sucks ass! Only good thing in it is actress Anna Torv, and that's because she's a looker and talented. But the shit you make her say is beyond belief! Truly, you are the people who made Transformers 1 and 2. It fucking shows!<br><br>And by thr wa,y next time you have a chacter going from Egypt to Jordania, remember that inbetween those two countries there is this little country called ISRAEL! Are you so fucking retard you can't even watch a map? How more stupid can you guys get? God, you are retard! Unbelievable!

  • Jan. 12, 2010, 1:40 p.m. CST

    Boborci, merry christmas to you too

    by AsimovLives

    And i hope Santa brough you a brain as a present.

  • Jan. 12, 2010, 1:52 p.m. CST

    AsimovLives - uhm... I have bad news for you about Santa...

    by Boborci

  • Jan. 12, 2010, 1:55 p.m. CST

    ...never mind. Enjoy!

    by Boborci

  • Jan. 12, 2010, 2:20 p.m. CST

    No point in Khan coz

    by jinste

    the Abrams Trek was a remake of Wrath of Khan.Same plot-apart from the fact the bad guy wanted to get even with Spock,instead of Kirk in the original.If we are going to bring back an old character from the original 60s series,how about Harry Mudd?Or have the Enterprise run into The Doomsday machine-or several of them.But please,no Klongons,Romulans or time travel-its been done to death.

  • Jan. 12, 2010, 2:28 p.m. CST

    Certainly no more time travel, please

    by AsimovLives

    Time travel in a Trek story has now became a joke. It's the clutch that any storyteller without iamgination and dramatic abilities will use to try to put themselves out of a plot dead end. As NuTrek clearly exemplifies, among others less the stellar examples from the later series. Or so i'm told, never saw Voyager.

  • Jan. 12, 2010, 2:29 p.m. CST

    Boborci, santa was your last hope

    by AsimovLives

    Now you will have to grow a brain on your own. You're doomed!

  • Jan. 12, 2010, 3:21 p.m. CST

    ASIMOVLIVES

    by seniorspeilbergio

    Fair enough but you should really check out TNG. You would definately love Picard. He was great because where Kirk was a man of action and would battle it out with another hostile ship, Picard would use negotiation and diplomacy. There would be an alien ship ready to open fire on the Enterprise and Picard would just TALK the guy out of it in a completely plausible way and to me, that was much more interesting than Kirk going all fistacuffs. A great, great character played by a great actor who really made you believe that he was commanding a starship. But Deep Space Nine IMHO, is the best Star Trek show ever produced. It has a great, very different premise from the other shows and that's a real strength to me. It's the only Star Trek show that deals directly with religion. It revolves around an alien space station in orbit of an alien planet next to the only known stable wormhole. Imagine if, after beaming down to a planet, breaking the prime directive and making out with the locals; Kirk and crew couldn't just warp away but had to STAY and deal with the consequences. That's Deep Space Nine. I think you should give them a shot. It's good science fiction, great characters, great production design. I'd love to hear what you think of them. But skip Voyager and the first three years of Enterprise. Those sucked.

  • Jan. 12, 2010, 3:26 p.m. CST

    ASIMOVLIVES

    by seniorspeilbergio

    Yes, i completely agree with you about Jar Jar and his script writers. He came into the project wanting to make a Star Wars movie and nothing was going to change his mind. It's also blatant arrogance. Abrams' is just another rich kid who thinks this is his "destiny" to be in movies and probably thinks he's way smarter than he actually is. That's why he made this a Star Wars movie. He's thinking "I'm so fucking clever, I'll just secretly make a Star Wars movie and call it Star Trek. No one will realize because I'm a genius and they're not." Typical spoiled douchebag thinking.

  • Jan. 12, 2010, 4:22 p.m. CST

    boborci

    by cymbalta4thedevil

    Congrats to you and Alex on the WGA nomination. I would imagine being honored by your peers is slightly more rewarding than taking part in an AICN Trek talkback at this point...

  • Jan. 13, 2010, 7:28 p.m. CST

    Let ASSholeLives Direct the next Trek...

    by DrMorbius

    He doesn't think Abrams is any good but I'll bet he is, cause...<P>He positions himself Direct(ly) behind the goat...<P>He stares Direct(ly) at the goats scrotum...<P>He sticks his tongue Direct(ly) into the goats anus...<P>He tells the other goats he'll get to them Direct(ly)!<P>ALINO is a great director...<P>Right STINO: Sphincter Tossing Is Normal in Oporto!