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Will THE KARATE KID Be THE KUNG FU KID Even If It's THE KARATE KID??
Merrick here...
Since the film was first announced, there's been a bit of uncertainty regarding the title of THE KARATE KID remake. Logically, one would think the title should reference whatever discipline Jackie Chan teaches Will Smith's kid in the movie. Evidently, the matter isn't that simple.
MTV spoke with Jackie Chan about the title in an article you can find HERE:
“We just finished the movie, ‘Karate Kid,’” Jackie Chan told me Wednesday at the People’s Choice Awards. “Um, the ‘Kung Fu Kid.’”
Say what? Over the course of the film’s shooting, rumors had leaked that since the film is set in China, the title would reference Kung Fu (a Chinese discipline) instead of karate (a Japanese form of martial arts). But the recent first trailer for the movie ended with a title card that read “The Karate Kid.” Which seems odd, since technically Jaden Smith won't be doing any karate in the movie.
“I don’t know [what it’s going to be called],” Chan admitted of the film, which is due to hit theaters in June. “Probably ‘Kung Fu Kid’ in China and ‘Karate Kid’ in America. Maybe a different title? I don’t know. But mostly we’ve called it ‘The Kung Fu Kid.’”
I hear that the broadest movements of John Avildsen's 1984 original are followed in the new version, but that it's texturally different as a whole. The trailer shows us many familiar elements, though:
If this is really different from the original, maybe they should go with KUNG-FU KID to make the film stand alone/more distinctive? Of course, naming it KUNG FU KID might also make it seem too derivative.
Shrugs.
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Say what? Over the course of the film’s shooting, rumors had leaked that since the film is set in China, the title would reference Kung Fu (a Chinese discipline) instead of karate (a Japanese form of martial arts). But the recent first trailer for the movie ended with a title card that read “The Karate Kid.” Which seems odd, since technically Jaden Smith won't be doing any karate in the movie.
“I don’t know [what it’s going to be called],” Chan admitted of the film, which is due to hit theaters in June. “Probably ‘Kung Fu Kid’ in China and ‘Karate Kid’ in America. Maybe a different title? I don’t know. But mostly we’ve called it ‘The Kung Fu Kid.’”
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It had to be said.
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Much better title...
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Ralph Macchio should show up at the end of the movie and kick his ass
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The hatred is strong for this one...
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How about "The Unfortunately I seem to take after my racist, talentless mother kid".
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There would be too many giggles at that line today.
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This movie looks like it sucks out loud. That crap with the tennis balls...? C'mon! That was just "Balls of Fury" redux. And while Jaden Smith cannot act to save his life, he'll probably look like Lawrence Olivier compared to Jackie Chan.
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Jan 08, 2010 10:25:25 AM CST
Oh boy let's whip up a title controversy for publicity
by margot_tenenbaum
Fart.
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Jan 08, 2010 10:29:33 AM CST
A PUSSY STUDIO EXECUTIVE IS FUCKING IT UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by illuminate
Here's the deal. Some pussy wimp of a studio executive decided to go back to "Karate Kid" because he afraid that people won't think that "Kung Fu Kid" is the remake. So, to top it all off the studio executive is a moron as well. It makes no fucking logical sense. Even seven year old kids will be talking about how it should be called Kung Fu kid. Why because they know about Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (still on the air) and all the other shit. What a fuck up. Someone should fire that asshole who switched the name back. Not only that it's going to piss off the Chinese as well. What a dumb fuck!
On a lighter note the movie looks better than I thought it would. Jaden is a bit young for the role. However, I will check it out. As long as they take the martial arts to the next level. Machio in part 2 and 3 still looked like an amateur kung-fu fighter especially when comparing to Keanu and Matt Damon. -
. . . while avoiding this film like the plague. The time of Jaden's astronomical daddy-like ass kissing is upon us.
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We know who the daddy is. Can`t really get behind him like I did with Daniel San. The boy is so loaded ,and he got the gig because daddy said so. Ill see it online because of Jackie. I love Jackie....bless you Jackie...oohhh Jackie......
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And puts and end to this little shit's career before it gets started.
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Here is my shit fixed.I was typing to fast since I was pissed that some moron could get that high up in a movie studio:
Here's the deal. Some pussy wimp of a studio executive decided to go back to "Karate Kid" because he's afraid that people won't think that "Kung Fu Kid" is the remake. So, to top it all off the studio executive is a moron as well! It makes no fucking logical sense. Even seven year old kids will be talking about how it should be called Kung Fu kid. Why because they know about Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (still on the air) and all the other shit. You don't have to study martial arts or be asian to know the difference and kids know the difference. What a fuck up the studio executive is. Someone should fire that asshole who switched the name back. Not only that it's going to piss off the Chinese as well. What a dumb fuck! On a lighter note the movie looks better than I thought it would. Jaden is a bit young for the role. However, I will check it out. As long as they take the martial arts to the next level. Machio in part 2 and 3 still looked like an amateur Karate fighter especially when comparing to Keanu and Matt Damon who are boarder line ninjas. -
...DO YOU REMEMBER WHEN YOU CARED? DO YOU REMEMBER WHEN YOU GAVE A TOSS? REMEMBER WHEN YOU USED TO PUT YOUR STAMP OF APPROVAL ON EVERYTHING YOU DID? And now... "The Spy Next Door. Seriously Jackie... you were so cool daddy-o. When did you decide to sell out? You are a kung-fu legend - why would you be okay with a film YOU are in as a kung-fu sifu get distorted into a movie about karate - a Japanese martial art - that has no karate in it? I am so disappointed in you.
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Whether it's a remake or an homage, they want to use KK's brand recognition, to get as many butts in seats as possible.
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or - Black Skin/Slant Eyes
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or something would be cool.
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Thinks america is full of uneducated twits. If i where Chinese I would be pissed that it was called Karate Kid and because Karate comes from japan. I mean it's fucking stupid and insulting to the Chinese peoples culture.
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and later were changed to mean empty hand or open hand, but is still written with Chinese characters.
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Merrick, there's as much chance of me 'following you on twitter' as there is of me seeing this remake.
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In the back of my mind (I don't even know why I was giving the thought) I imagined that that perhaps the kid kept calling what he was learning "karate" to pester the Chan character and at some poignant part of the movie... no doubt before he kicks someone's butt... he'd chide someone else for calling it "karate" with a "No! This is KUNG FU!!!""
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that actually looks pretty entertaining. Should be a decent turn your brain off watch the colors type movie
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I'd rather see THE SOCK & SNOOKER BALL KID.
A soccer fan gets bullied in the terraces and ends up getting even at the cup final, and then some...
Starring Ray Winstone in the Miyagi role, Christian Bale in the Daniel role, and Jason Statham and a selection of British nutters as the Cobra's. -
It will make large coin at the b.o. because most kids haven't seen the original and the parents who have are going to be surprised because the martial arts is going to make the original movie look like a joke.
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That's just the reality. They didn't option a remake to make something original. They wanted to cash in.
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Updating to Kung Fu will bring in more than Karate, simply because we know it's the same...but different. If it's the same as the original, why bother.
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That's my vote if there anyone is taking one.
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looks pretty good.
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just because he has a famous dad. Like THAT'S never happened in Hollywood before.
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Jan 08, 2010 11:57:20 AM CST
Rene Belloq instructional vid on getting black rhino fukked
by liberal_warrior
#1 bestseller for beastiality basements dwellers across America!
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The NEPOTIST.
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But it doesn't look horrific.
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"open hand" many people don't understand. and as for the movie, it's pretty damn well just a remake, you don't even need a fourth grade education to see that. fuck, its damn near a scene by scene frikkin remake, and they probably will have two different titles, one here and one in Asia, this happens a lot. BUT, if you want the REAL honest scoop on that, and just about anything else, just get ahold of JettL93, i think he and Will Smith were having lunch today or tomorrow to discuss "Hancock 2: The Eagle Has Landed". XD
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you're title, 'Lil Karate N***ah, almost spit out my Mt. Dew, nice. Made me laugh
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I know it means open hand, they changed it from it's original meaning of "Chinese Hands". It was learned from the Chinese and simplified, which is why Karate looks like printing and Kung-fu is circular and flowing like hand-writing.
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Where's your scoop on this one, asswipe?
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.... in smith
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personally verify any bullshit he throws out on this one.
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... done.
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Sorry i spelled ur name wrong, wasn't intentional. OH, and JettL IS the pulde of hollywood. Haven't you guys seen the Entertainment Tonight expose on him?? her??
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that's supposed to be "pulse". Fuck, i'm starting to type like JettL
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Can we banhammer Belloq for making the racist comment, and also ban Vader77 for cheering him on?
You know like in THE ACCUSED when they prosecute the guys in the bar who whooped while poor Jodie got it... -
It's funny because in part 2 Miyagi corrects Daniel for saying Kung Fu and tells him that Kung Fu is Chinese and Karate is Japanese. Why would they crap all over that?
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Kung Fu is Chinese and Karate is Japanese, how is that crapping?
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At least with the original Karate Kid you can picture yourself fucking Ali and not get creeped out, but with the new one, fucking the love interest? Uhhhh, not so much.
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Jan 08, 2010 1:31:44 PM CST
DarthChiChi, it's easy to make fun of Will Smith....
by sirbiatchreturns
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Nevermind that nepotism in the film industry is as old as the film industry itself.But no, AICN talkbackers are "distressed" at how Will Smith's son is "corrupting" the pure artistic notions of Karate Kid and Hollywood in general.
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Being a shoddy remake wasn't enough for you?
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It's North American's that call it Kung Fu. Chinese call it Gung Fu. Which litteraly means "to do something extremely well." It became synonamous with the Shaolin Monk skills. If you're digging a ditch and are doing it perfectly, a person might say.."Your Kung fu is good.". There are many types of kung fu; Northern systems which had money, art etc... they have more flowery techniques and fancy kicks. Southern styles have a no-nonsense approach to fighting, with low stances, few kicks and would use weapons like a farmer's hoe or an axe. There's also internal styles (like Tai Chi), but most are external. The most widely practiced martial art in the world is Choy Li Fut kung fu, which is what Jet Li does and Jackie Chan. Yes, even Bruce Lee did it before he developed is Jeet Kune Do. Choy Li Fut is a combination of animal styles and is regarded as the most vicious and dynamic of all the martial art systems, plus it's been war tested. Wushu is a recent invention made up to preserve techniques from vanishing or little known styles. Now, you pay $5. please.
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... of fucking Will Smith is fucking obnoxious beyond fucking belief. What an fucking assclown! Fuck him and the father who sired him and fuck this fucking movie! Fucking asses!
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Cover all the bases so that people who have never so much as lifted a weight in their lives, can't bitch and moan about the integrity being ruined, as if they knew the difference between the two (Karate and Kung Fu) in the first place...
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This is what Chan and co are really thinking. And since he doesn't mind it it just proves you can kick him in the balls and call him a japanese ch*nk (sorry) and he'd do it if money was involved. For shame.
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that's why. People confuse martial and marital.
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That works for me...
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... who will accuse all those whod on't kiss Will Smith's ass for being racists. I'm waiting for a fucking retard moron to show up and say that stupid shit. Who will the be the first retard to do that?
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Jan 08, 2010 1:46:27 PM CST
F*ck it! New Karate Kid movie will be about WWE in China.
by damien chowder
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"which is why Karate looks like printing and Kung-fu is circular and flowing like hand-writing"
Just another reason why I am glad I never studied Kung-fu - Pointless movements (to all the Gung Fu fans out there, I kid. I kid). -
was the best karate kid movie ever. Fuck, it had the mother fuckin' ghost of mother fuckin' Bruce Lee and the world met Van Damn for the first time. So drag this Will Smith's spunk stain outta the dojo.
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David Carradine for Mr. Miyagi...oops, nevermind.
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I just figured the wait was killing you...
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who never did anything to any of you. I swear there are days when this place looks more like Stormfront than AICN.
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Made for a great drinking game as well.
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The idea of the flowing movement is so that one technique and can flow into the next without having to reset for a new strike. And it's also where the Art comes from. It's more difficult to address a fluid attack than a rigid one. That goes for any combat sport.
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call it this
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For years I thought I was unworthy of posting on this site because I do things like have sex with girls, have a real job, and go to gym every day. But GOD DAMN IT I have pent up nerd rage too and I choose to take it out on Will Smith untalented douche over privileged kid. After seeing him in TDTESS I wanted to blow up the fucking world so how the hell was he supposed to stop some alien from killing us. I love Chan but someone really needs to talk him out of some his movies.
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Still a great movie. I don't know what its detractors here are talking about. Morita got an Academy Award nomination for it even.
Screw this remake.
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Jan 08, 2010 2:38:40 PM CST
They Should Remake Three Ninjas Blaxploitation
by rene_belloq_12inch_figure
Call it Three Niggas.
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I still get tingly during the tournament montage and teary when Daniel-San whips his crane out and whips across the face of Johnny, thus leading to the freeze frame of Myagi. Awesome!!
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Get this into your thick skull, clown: the hate is not because he's black, but because he's an anoying obnoxious brat. Got that, lame brain?
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Now that I am a official hater Fuck Robbins Fuck Penn Fuck Bay Fuck Sommers Fuck Ellen Fuck Woopie(the retard on the view not love making)Fuck Midgets (cuse midget porn is awesome) Fuck Jesus Fuck Allah (just kidding don’t blow me the fuck up) and Fuck the Nazi Pope. HATERS RULE Remember just because you’ve never done anything with your life doesn’t mean you can’t shit all over people who have.
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they hired an infant for the Daniel LaRusso part.
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Miyagi, M-i-y-a-g-i. Miyagi.
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its saying chinese kids know karate.
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Sure, it's dated in spots, but I'd show it to my kid today and not feel like a joker. It's a good story, told well. I just hope this remake or whatever it is doesn't completely supplant it. "Take your jacket off" isn't as good as "wax on, wax off," even if that still sounds like a masturbation joke. I mean, they still could have used "paint the fence" and "sand the floor." I kinda liked little Jaden's Rocky Balboa situps though.
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flocka
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Heh heh.
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I'll have to see it though. My kids are Kung-Fu students and they love Jackie Chan. They've seen the Karate Kid (the real one) and love it...I'm sure they'll be pissed this is called the Karate Kid when it is about Kung-Fu, but they are kids and they will want to see it.
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trying to pass as a kung fu master. Now that's a movie I wanna see. The kid kicks his ass with the help of To Catch a Predator's Chris Hansen.
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Apparently we're reading two different talkbacks where the one i'm reading already has someone dropping the N-bomb. Asshole.
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Who knew years of basically dressing and undressing had prepared me to be a kicker of asses. I'm actually looking forward to going to the bar tonight and unleashing "Button up your cardigan!!" on some unsuspecting brute.
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You feel like you're a big man because you can pick on a lil kid anonymously from your computer in whatever dump your typing from? He's still geting his money not because of you but in spite of you. Think about that while you're typing away from whatever soul sucking job you're at. Bitch.
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I dig yah. You can see that in BJ Penn's fight with Diego Sanchez; Penn looked relaxed as hell, Diego looks as tight as a drum.
But I would be lying if I said I was a fan of a lot of Asian martial arts. I'm kind of in the same school of mind as Bruce Lee who said they were to trapped in tradition and dependent on katas and forms. I'm not saying all styles or teachers, but enough of them where it is a problem. -
I agree with you. Forms are good learning and maintaing technique, but it's equally, if not more important to maintain a non-form aspect of the training if you intend to trade fists with an opponent. Some people don't want to get into actuall combat and prefer to learn it as a form of exercise and conditioning and use the forms as competitive way of expression, not unlike gymnastics. If you've ever seen a Chinese gold medal team in competition, you'd go nuts at what these guys can do. Pan Qing Fu was one of the coaches for a gold medal team. Look him up. He's incredible. He was also won of the choreographers of Shaolin Temple.
I've recently had the pleasure of working on some low budget flicks with Georges St. Pierre, Rashad Evans, Heath Herring, Keith Jardine, BJ Penn, Anderson Silva and Quinton "Rampage" Jackson.
I can tell you first hand, Georges is as real as they get. Super nice guy and the same goes for Rampage. Actually they were all pretty easy to talk with. Jardine and I would eat lunch together frequently. No big ego. And when all the fighters were present at the same time, they got along well. -
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hey, funny is funny, i like your posts, i think your pretty funny also, BUT NO, i don't have any racist tendencies at all, and i resent your remarks that i do, as for me finding what belloq said funny, i beleive he was quoting a comic, black btw, who actually said that, so yeah, that is why i found it funny.... as for me being a racist, no way in hell, bro. fucking political correctness can eat me....
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For fucks sake!!!!
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becuase of the free flowing movements. Hence, karate gets no play in movies. After seeing David Mamet's RedBelt recently however, they should make more movies featuring Jui-Jitsu.
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His noodles. He done lost them.
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I really don't wanna be reading subtitles.
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The Ooga Booga Kid?? One world, one title. FFS
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Jan 08, 2010 4:06:13 PM CST
REWATCHED TKK RECENTLY AND IT WASN'T AS I REMEMBERED
by bringingsexyback
It was better. Fuck this remake!!!
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as "Karate," and, every time Jackie hears it, he corrects him with a brutal caning.
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I'd like one of the racist morons who troll fanboy talkbacks to just admit it. Say, "Yes, I'm a racist. So what?" Own it, bitches. Because whining about how you're not really a racist doesn't make you not a racist. It just makes you a coward. But then, the Internet was built for cowards, wasn't it?
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Just be honest.
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I know next to nothing about this kid other than what I saw in Pursuit of Happyness and Day the Earth Stood Still. He worked with his dad well in the first and everyone sucked in the other. If he's said and anything stupid or arrogant on TV....well, he's 11. Can't say I was exactly a genius at that age myself. I resent the nepotism angle myself but what are you going to do? It would actually be pretty infuriating if he grew up to be a good actor/asshole. Kiefer Sutherland comes to mind (Love him on 24 but he's a self-indulgent drunk who got a leg up because of who his dad is). It would be easy to swallow him being a crap actor/asshole because at least there's something to ridicule.
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Props.
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at someone elses joke, that makes me racist. I hope not. I've been posting on here for a couple years now, have any of you ever seen me make a racist remark, ever? not that we all know who everyone on the talkbacks are. and i agree, most people aren't honest about what they really feel, i am though, and i feel that a bunch of you regulars are also. But i gotta tell you, i'm not gonna be politically correct, i think MOSST of that is for pussy's. anyway, i just don't want people to think i'm racist just cause i thought someones comment was funny.
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i write what true, i mean, not as true as JettL93, but i at least don't spout bullshit
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Thats exactly what i'm saying. Most of these assholes on here probably never seen him in a single movie. If they did it would've been pursuit of happiness (which the kid was good in) and TDTESS (which like you said, everyone sucked in). So where is the hate coming from? Oh i know. Thought process of a AICN Hater: "I don't like Will Smith. He sucks! Oh that kid is Will Smith's son? Oh he sucks too! The end." As far as nepotism goes this kid isn't the first nor will he be the last. Drew Barrymore got by on her family's name for years. So did Gwenyth Paltrow, Nicolas Cage and every Baldwin brother alive. So start with them and THEN work your way to picking on an 11 yr old kid.
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That's how much this kid sucks. And I'm a big fan of black people.
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It's cool Vader. I think you're being honest.
Sadly Belloq's not covered himself in glory in his subsequent posts "the original should have been called the karate whop" and writing N***a again. In fact he's covered himself in shit. Motherfucker stinks and I hope he does get banned. -
What, you think people of color don't talk shit about Whitey? Obviously you don't know anyone of color. Chill.
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Baldwins are there, really? seems like there is a new one every couple a years. and as for Nick "Coppola" you're right, a name change didn't hide your secret very well.
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Is the movie Never Surrender? I think I know some people working on post for it.
Years ago - about '03 or '04 - I worked on a low budget mma movie and met Randy Couture, Frank Shamrock, Don Frye and some other old timers (plus Nuetered Man and Choda Boy from Orgazmo); I was already into martial arts, but that got me into mma.
Personally I am much more into the combat side than I am into the spirituality elements. Much more into Sanshou than I am into taolu. It is my personally my goal to become one of the toughest tbers...which really isn't that much of a goal, now that I think of it... -
I hope to God not. I love MMA, but I'll be the first to admi all MMA movies have sucked shit.
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Just sayin.
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Lets try this. Do you even know WHY you don't like the kid?
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Yep. That and another gem, Death Warrior.
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"Redbelt"... cause that was actually a prettty good movie, Mamet's I believe. isn't very well known.
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I wish I could help you out there. I'm a fan of Hong Kong action movies, think Donnie Yen rules with his fast Kung Fu. But seeing so many ridiculous white people in wire-fu has dampened the cinematic impact of martial arts for me. I blame Corey Yuen or whomever sold out to Hollywood by giving up the secrets.
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Doesn't sound like there's much talking in that one.
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...looks like a shitty movie. But as far as racism goes, man, have you ever read a talkback about Tom Cruise? So I wouldn't take Wil Smith hate as anything more than you're gonna get more response coming down on people than you will throwing love out there. Could have done without the stupid jokes though( for the record I have laughed at racial jokes, but they have to be FUNNY).
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Yeah - it's the same thing everyone is saying. He has zero charisma and comes off like he really, really doesn't care. Nothing personal, and Will Smith's kid or not, I just don't like him. Hell, I feel similarly about Michael Cera, except in opposite in that Cera tries too hard. This ain't no black white thing. It's a personality thing. They just both bug the futs out of me.
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Now there's someone who's a star because he oozes charisma, and his love of his craft shows through. Even the movies I hate - Seven Pounds, Hitch - I don't bash because I don't hate the guy himself.
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Jan 08, 2010 5:01:03 PM CST
I'M ACTUALLY ONE OF THE VERY FEW DEFENDERS OF I, ROBOT
by bringingsexyback
I love that movie, and I never saw why people hated Smith in it because he was damned good. Him and that robot. Shit, that robot had 1,000X more charisma than Jaden.
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Y'know, I didn't even realize the original was kind of a classic until details came out on this mess. Guess it is...
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Well he is just a kid who'll probably get better as he gets older. Although, he seems to have his dad's charisma in the interviews i've seen with him. Some directors suck at directing child actors so thats another factor there.And did i mention he's only been in like 2 movies? Give the kid some time. Cera on the other hand, i agree with you. Plays same awkward kid in every movie i've seen him in. Hopefully Youth in Revolt will surprise me.
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It had to be said.
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A bad perf is a bad perf. I hope he doesn't become another Channing Tatum. Too many good actors out there, I think, to have to settle.
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Jan 08, 2010 5:09:05 PM CST
Will Smith is trying to wriggle out of his pigeon-hole...
by burnhollywood
He gets points for that, at least. He's doing a better job as an actor than any "happy rapper" ought to be at this point.
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They will string Jackie up but good. Looks like I'll have to e-mail them and let them know.
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Jan 08, 2010 5:17:09 PM CST
Lol, i feel like i'm always in here defending Will Smith
by dreadlock holmes
Maybe i should spread my passion to defending Tom Cruise...or maybe not.
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Jan 08, 2010 5:17:43 PM CST
But don't they want to lazily co-opt the pop-culture reference?
by kevred
'Kung Fu Kid' sounds like some generic knockoff. 'Karate Kid' sounds A-list. Only A-list is good enough for Will Smith's kid!I think the whole thing's a dumb idea, so please note the above is sarcastic. Lazy Hollywood bastards.
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Or thousands will not watch in prtoest!
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This film features Kung Fu, not Karate. If The Karate Kid is used as the title, then it is an obvious attempt to cash in on the name recognition of the iconic original.
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Jan 08, 2010 5:24:21 PM CST
BOYCOTT? I HAVE A BETTER IDEA - DON'T SEE IT AT ALL.
by bringingsexyback
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They started playing that stupid "Percentage" song in the 2nd half, can we please use music not from 2 years ago or that hasn't been used in any other sports/fighting movie trailer?
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I met Will Smith & Jada (very) briefly a few years ago (he came to record something at the tv studio I was working at)& the dude was genuinely charming, not an asshole at all. But him pimpin' out his kids is just wrong, as is force feeding them into movie productions. I'm probably wrong, and the guy just loves making movies & wants his kids to be a part of it too.
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Jan 08, 2010 5:52:58 PM CST
before i get flamed or being a dumbass
by james_cameron_raped_my_childhood
yeah, just noticed I used "wrong" twice.
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Isn't Lionsgate involved with those, or am I mistaken?
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There are many racist cowards who come out of the woodwork every once in a while on this site, and no amount of whining about "political correctness" or "can't you take a joke?" bullshit is going to cover their worthless asses. You know who you are, you ignorant cretins!!!
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MMA films might suck on the big screen but I am also a boxing fan and as general rule those are the best sports movies.
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Am I the only person who thinks that movie sucks shit?
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the movie itself, just looks like crap. it is just a remake, but it looks bad, and that's it. it's going to be real nice to finally get to some decent flicks (hopefully) when "Legion", "Daybreakers", "Kick Ass", "Hot Tub Time Machine", "The Runaways", and a slew of others start popping up.... got some hope for "Book of Eli", and "Edge of Darkness", too.
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I have to say I appreciate the defense against Belloq but Vader didnt do anything wrong and Bringingsexyback is right. Niggah didnt even offend me. I have become so desensitized by the word thru the internet and me saying it all of the time that it doesnt even bother me. I am not speaking for the Black race, just my own personal opinion.
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has anyone seen anything on "Takers" ?? Man, when your headliners are Paul Walker and Hayden Christensen, that can't be good, can it?
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I am a longtime reader, new time commenter...yet I hit Enter and no spaces come out of my comments. :( Someone teach me the ways!
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Because calling kung fu "karate" is too dumb for words.
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and your last line there was funny also. ONE MORE THING.... I know a lot of people are stoked about "The Expendables", I am one of 'em, is anyone else worried or concerned about the fact that they moved it back to August ??? August is historically where they DUMP movies, not where they SHOWCASE possible hits.... and I dug the "A-Team" trailer, looks good and campy, should be fun.
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...I'm not really looking forward to this. I think it looks silly. The themes won't be as relevant with little kids as they were with the teens in the original. The direction this is going in really seems a little overdone (more so than just being a remake).
However, for a younger generation, it may be fine. Don't tell me that you don't think the 7-12 crowd will like this. Because I can tell you they will love it. Crappy movie it may be, but it will make $$$ -
...has nothing to do with Jayden but because this movie seems so bloody insincere. Adult beating up kid toughs, called "Karate Kid" even though it's kung-fu, Jackie Chan just picking up a paycheck... honestly, how could this movie be interpreted as anything but as a means to pay off the mortgage on a house in the Hamptons?
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...exactly re: Teens v. Kids.
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when a nintendo DS is just not enough
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You need to use the paragraph html which is a P with a left arrow and then a right arrow on either side (i.e but without the spaces).Cool name by the way.
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hilarious porn and unlike most porn unforgetable
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Well, that was unintentionally hilarious. I haven't read the rest of the talkback, but I can't be the only one who caught that.
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or have a macchio cameo? If so I am there no matter how awful it looks.
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with money.
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I havent seen it but i alwyas liked Black Mask even though it has so much corn in it i still like the superhero premise he went for.
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Racism and geeks that are way too into asian culture.
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Will Smith's kid seems to have improved his acting since "The Day the Earth Stood Still" Where he out stoic-ed Keanu.
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... for Hollywood to get their facts right and not misrepesent a cultural tradition? But I bet you're one of those Americans who thinks Iranians are "Arabs". Kung Fu is NOT Karate, and Jackie Chan should grow some balls and tell the studio what's what.
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honestly.......who?
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Almost had me, then the crap (where the c is silent, mind you) started playing. Snapped me right back into the dreaded reality that we live in.
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Just call it whatever the hell you want.
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but who was surprised when it started playing? Predictable bullshit all the way through.
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I thought after watching this trailer this was a spoof to the original Karate Kid movies that came out. The kid looks like a 12 year old pumped on Roids. The whole take the jacket off pick it up scene now that was funny!
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Expect HUGE numbers, I'm not joking. Even if Will has to purchase a lions share of the tickets himself.
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Jan 08, 2010 9:01:33 PM CST
This is the most important debate of the new century
by anything but tangerines
that is a sarcastic statement
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Yep, with the first one for sure. Don't recall with the 2nd.
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Everyone's a little bit racist
Sometimes.
Doesn't mean we go
Around committing hate crimes.
Look around and you will find
No one's really color blind.
Maybe it's a fact
We all should face
Everyone makes judgments
Based on race.
Now not big judgments, like who to hire
or who to buy a newspaper from
No, just little judgments like thinking that Mexican
busboys should learn to speak
goddamn English!
Everyone's a little bit racist
Today.
So, everyone's a little bit racist
Okay!
Ethinic jokes might be uncouth,
But you laugh because
They're based on truth.
Don't take them as
Personal attacks.
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No need to take offense, I said those type of geeks were my favorite. Hell they're the one of the reasons there's still a sword industry and who doesn't love a good ponytail on an out of shape white dude?
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Did it work? Alrite...(in a Stewie voice)
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I didn't read your post properly. Sorry dude. Hey, is this the first ever apology/admission-of-being-wrong ever posted in an AICN talkback? Anyway, I need to smoke some Wookie Weed and chill out... and hope Tony Jaa has a son who can kick the Karate Fu Kid's ass...
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http://www.sanluisobispo.com/news/local/breaking_news/story/982411.html
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..in the States, it will reinforce to the world that we don't give a shit about other cultures.
I have nothing invested in this movie. It looks like crap and the original isn't even that good anyway. Who gives a shit. But to call it 'The Karate Kid' when you are AWARE of the fact that he practices a fighting technique of a entirely different country, that is racism plain and simple.
It's like saying "Eh, Japanese, Chinese, Korean, they're all the same to me".
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Went to see Daybreakers, it read The karate Kid.
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Jan 08, 2010 11:42:32 PM CST
I was trying to write a blaxploitation title
by rene_belloq_12inch_figure
and make people laugh, oh my lord. People that get so defensive and aren't even part of the minority being joked about are always suspicious to me, closeted racists. "racist" is the new "witch" and everyone signaled as racist is almost burned at the stake. Jeesh. I don't even care about this movie, that's why I'm making stupid random jokes, instead of caring.
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I was very offended by the transformers... LMAO
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hahahaha
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Even if they don't name it "The Karate Kid" it's still branded as a remake. The story is the same. The movie didn't need to be remade. Sweep the leg... send this movie home in a body bag... it's over.
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Of course sometimes it isn't PCism, sometimes it is just people saying YOU SAID SOMETHING FUCKIN' STUPID!
And I don't care if black people are offended or not, I'm offended. A million things to bitch about this stupid movie, and you got to focus on the kid's race. I guess the kid should have known better than chose to be born black.
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Jan 09, 2010 12:16:28 AM CST
Where was I bitching about the movie you retard?
by rene_belloq_12inch_figure
I said I don't give a fuck, its a childrens movie.
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I said it should have a blaxploitation title. Cuz I like blaxploitation. That's It, It could be called the Judo Jew and I still wouldn't care cuz its a movie for little kids.
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I'd really like to see who your "black friends" are.
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You're right I don't have any black friends :'( I'm a racist, I was so angry this movie had a black kid as the main character, yet one of my favorite films is night of the living dead.
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because that's the first thing people who are accused of being racists say in their stupid defense.
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and you should kill yourself.
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I'm going back to fuckbook.
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I'm going back to fuckbook.
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Ever since mainland China took over Hong Kong, he has been kow-towing to the communist government. Knowing that he's old and his career is winding down, he wants to maintain his importance and status in the region. None of you probably saw how he proudly joined the cast of the Propaganda Film history of Mao Se Tung and the rise of communism in China (to celebrate the 60th anniversary of the Chinese Government's Reign). So he'll do anything and say anything to keep his money, status and good standing with the Chinese. He also wants Hollywood to give him as much work as possible. So he'll kow-tow to them as well. If Hollywood says "Kung Fu" is "Karate" then he'll happily oblige. Jackie's got to eat.
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Nuff-said.
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Have you ever WATCHED a blaxploitation movie? Because judging by your 'title hommage' it seems like you've never seen one.
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Jan 09, 2010 3:15:39 AM CST
Actually this BS does remind me of a story about an American act
by meta
Who was doing a Chinese docudrama about the rise of Shanghai as a international city in the 20's & 30's. He's supposed to be "A Jewish man, who comes to Shanghai to start a new life and build a business for himself and make lots of money (as Jews sterotypically do accordig to the Chinese). Then he rescues a Chinese hooker from a beating, who is so grateful, she gives him a free lay. But after the sex, he's so guilt ridden he prays to his statue of Jesus he brought with him for forgiveness (as all Jews do on a regular basis according to the Chinese). This actor tried to explain to the Chinese director that most Jews do not typically pray to Jesus, as it's not part of the religion. But the director looked at him with confusion and told him, "there must be some Jews that do...so you're just one of those kinds of Jews". So the film went on and the actor got ready for his next scene where he went to Church on Sunday with his now married to hooker-wife and son. And to be honest, almost all of those in China who saw the film probably didn't know or care one way or another. To China, Judaism, Catholicism & Christianity are all the same. And that's just the way Hollywood feels about Karate and Kung-Fu, it's Asian, so it's all the same. And you know what; while you and I will bitch and moan about how culturally insensitive Hollywood is being, most of America won't know or won't give a fuck. I can only hope that this turd-bucket of a film fails so miserably that the word Jaden Smith and actor will never go together again.
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Jan 09, 2010 3:36:46 AM CST
Rene, maybe the problem isn't that we don't have a sense of humo
by continentalop
Maybe the problem is that you are an idiot with no comic ability?
And name one classic blaxploitation movie that has the word "Ni**ah" or "Ni**er" in it. They don't. Why? Because blaxploitation was about making films that exploited the fact black people were under represented in film. They made movies that put black heroes on screen that gave them a feeling of empowerment. So they would never have the fucking N-word in the title because it was a derogatory word meant to belittle them, not make them feel "Fuck yah! I'm mother-fuckin' black!" (the only exceptions being Westerns like "The Legend of Nigger Charley" and "Boss Nigger, because audiences knew that black people were constantly given that derogatory label back then and that those films were highlighting America's racist past - but Karate Kid isn't a western or back in the 19th century) So for a blaxploitation fan, you don't know shit about the genre.
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I'm at a lost on the hatred against this child.Cause he's Will Smith's son? That's the reason? It's morw to it then that. There are to many actors that have got in the biz DUE TO THEIR NAME. Some are mentioned are and they dont get this kinda hate. It is racist pure and simple for some here. Others like to jump on the badwagon to get a laugh. I find it truly pathetic. I've been on this site for like 10 years and never have I seen a white child actor get this kind of HATE. I've also never have attacked a child. Why Harry accepts this is beyond me. There are morals still in the world and while their is freedom of speech that I love, just for the sake of whats right should some tghings be off limit. Children comes to mind for me.
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our grown asses. This is a family film that is aimed at kids and the parents who has to be dragged alone to see it. The Orginal film wasn't aimed at dudes in their 20's and up and neither is this one. Just like we enjoyed the Orginal as kids, let this genration of kids enjoy this one. Phucking losers.
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The word was NIGGA, you pussy! And that word is even used among blacks, either as compliment or as an insult. What you are going to call a black guy who uses the word niggfa? A racist? And obviously, you need to buy yourself a sense of humour, because you were born without one. Get over yourself, fool! And Will Smith and his tyke of a brat kid sucks! There!
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It's just... boggling. Hell, even George Clooney got his break through family. LEAVE THE KID ALONE. And I agree with you, it's a film for kids -- but that just makes the filmmakers even more irresponsible for not EDUCATING the kids regarding other cultures and traditions. So now we'll have an entire generation of American kids running to their local karate dojo wanting to learn tiger claw.
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Get this into your thick skull: the criticism, and just criticism, this obnoxious tyke is getting is because he's an obnoxious tyke, an irritating screen presence without any real show of talent, and because he's the result of neopotism over talent. And now he's being pushed as a leading man actor. and why? Because the fucking tyke is Will smith's son. So, we don't like the fucking obnoxious irritating tyke because he's a no-talent neopotistic obnoxious irritating spoiled brat tyke. You got that now, fool?If anything, this criticisms would be the only time in the fucking tyke's life where he would get a real wake up call to reality.
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In a theater near you.
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The use of the word Ni**a is racist. Sorry, but it is. Black guys can use it because, as George Carlin pointed out, they are Ni**ers. Just like gay guys can call themselves fags and cripples gimps. It is hard to get upset when someone else is in the club.
Secondly, why the fuck use that term? Seriously. The only reason to use that word is because Smith's kid is black, and that is a derogatory word for blacks. But once again why is him being black have anything to do with why this film will suck? Nothing. It is just a joke at the expense of his race, which by definition makes it a racist joke/comment. -
Go find Black neighborhood in wherever the ass end of the universe you are from, and call a Black man the word you just used. I fucking guarantee you would shit your pants before saying such a thing.
So, if it is wrong and you are scared shitless to do it in the real world, then you are just being a pussy bitch to say it anonymously and trying and justify it. Bitch. -
I rarely agree with you as you know, but that reply to assholelives was on the money.
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100% correct. I may not be up for banning those asshole racists - better to hold the mirror of their hate up to them -then beat the shit out of them with it, but I agree that the racists come out when it is a Black movie or movie star. Then they try to hide behind 'it was just a joke, you guys need to lighten up'. Nah, they need to douse themselves with butane and light up.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szLoJhywUdQ&feature=player_embedded
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—but you're wrong here. Dreadlock Holmes is attacking Rene's comment because 1.) It's not funny and 2.) His use of "nigga" is specifically targeted at Jayden Smith's race. And generally, the vitriol for this kid seems more exaggerated than just an attack on Hollywood nepotism. Yeah, snark is expected for the onslaught of unnecessary Hollywood remakes, but part of the problem is that when someone says something off colour (ahem), SPECIFICALLY using racial stereotypes (re-titling the movie with a 'faux-blaxploitation' title) to refer to Jaden Smith — a child actor who doesn't showcase an 'urban' or 'hood' persona — they choose THAT word. Somehow the idea behind it's linguistic reappropriation ("street" credibility) is accurate for a privileged, wealthy child actor? In a movie about Kung Fu, er, sorry "Karate" where race isn't the dominant theme? (Sony CHANGE THE TITLE!) Does that suddenly make it funny? Of course not.That's not being "PC"— a valueless term bandied about by folks who generally don't agree that the world they inhabit is multicultural. It's just common sense.
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As a left-winger, as we are here in the old continent, i have an extreme avertion to PC bullshit, and i can detect that bullshit a mile away. And i know theuse of the nigga word before was done in jest. I got the joke, and believe you me, i'm fucking allergic to racism like you wouldn't belief. OK,here0's a comparison, i like racism as much as i like Jar Jar Abrams's SHIT TREK. Got the picture now, friend?And the fucking kid is irritating not because he's black, but hecause he's a fucking tyke.As for teh mvoie's title, i hope they retain the title of KARATE KID, so that everybody can see for themselves the level of intellectual capacity that the idiots who made this movie operate at. And hopefullly, crash the hopes of the fucking tyke to became an Hollywood leading man. Call it an reality wake up call.
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Hey, Ass-hat, go to any black man or woman with that cavalier attitude regarding the "N" word...And btw, how do you know this kid is obnoxious? Don't bother answering, it was rhetorical. You know and I/we know why you have such a hard on for this child, don't we, nerd? His starring in one of your treasured bubblegum movies offends your sense of the status quo. If he was of your skin hue, this wouldn't be an issue, but since he's not, you're acting like some disenfranchised angry white male suffrering from an acute case of ARRESTED DEVELOPMENT. Grow the fuck up, bitch, it's a movie geared and marketed as a family oriented alternative so parents will have something for their tykes to view, as opposed to Ironman 2 and other similar fare.
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The black "ghetto" nearst where i live is situated about 700 metters from where i live. And so far, never got a problem tih them. Also, the blacks in here are real africans, in that, they actually came from Africa, they are either born in angola, Moçambique, Cabo Verde, São Tomé e Principe or Guiné-Bissau, or are children of emigrants from there. My own homecity is the craddle to my country's hip-hop, and lots of best artists came from here, like DA WEASEL, a group i like a lot. I never had much direct contact with them, but so far, i never had a true complain, even despiste the fact there's quite some criminal activity in my county due to gang-related crimes. And i work in a court of law, in the criminal section. So, you can suck my fat one with your patronizing shit, ok, friend? You will not find one person more disturbed by racism as me, and if you ever acuse me of racism, i fucking have you for breakfast, motherfucker. You got that, assclown? Good!
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Listen, you cock-sucking mtoherfucker, who the fuck you think you are? Whot he fuck you think you are, cock-sucker motherfucker? Fuck you, motherfucekr! So i dislike Will smith's tyke, i'm a racist now? how more fucking retard can you get? What kind of retarded stupid fuck you are? If anything, the racist is you, because YOU BROUGHT the issue here. You brough the race issue, cocksucker. You are the fucking racist here. You must be one of those fucking retard Will smith cocksucker fanboys who usethe racism card to try to detract anybody who doesn't liek Will smith. You are fuckign pathetic. you are trash. You are shit. You are a big pile of shit. Motherfucking usless asshole piece of shiot, that's you. You got that, you piec eof shit. Fuck you and fuck off, fucking asshole. Motherfucker!
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"…i like racism as much as i like Jar Jar Abrams's SHIT TREK…"Well done.
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... to try to shut up the Wil Smith detractors. It's a wellknown tactic used by COMPLETE RETARDS. People dislike Will Smith or his sone because they are blacks. HOW MORE RETARD CAN YOU GET?? People like Amadeo Zeller, from which bog did this shits crawed from?
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... because he's a fucking racist himself. The racism thing works both ways, asshole! Fucking cunt!
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Thank you.
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LOL! I see your Tourettes' is acting up again, eh? Why don't increase you dosage of Lithium, fucktard? Hell, while you're at it, try a little shock therapy also, you pathetic amoeba.
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... fromt he join fucking he got from Will smith and histyke of a kid. And the bastards never payed him. But he still dreams of the true love that Smith and the tyke will one day bestow to him. One day it will come.
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A new autiobiography hitting the shelves near you.
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It's not tourette, you stupid ass, it's an accurate descrition of the shit you are. No other words in the english language can accurate describe your level of filth. Deal with it, i'm just speaking the truth, you racist assclown motherfucker.
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Memories of Murder? I notice you have the same temperment/pathology.
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And Jade is still a minor. What does that make him look like?
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Licking the ass of Will Smith and calling racists to those who don't.
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I'm related to a korean movie? How more retard can you get, idiot? Fucking racist pussy!
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Well actually, I was referring to a person who used Memories of Murder as his/her username. Your emotional profane-littered responses seem similar, that's all.
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I can't comment on why you should or shouldn't like Jaden Smith (it's not really important), but I do need to reiterate what Screwbini wrote above — there are a lot of trolls that come out of the woodwork when anything to do with Black actors and directors is a headline. And, sometimes those trolls get one past the TB's by pure outrageousness or because they need the attention . But the first thing these trolls will post is a useless racial stereotype — suddenly every Black actor is 'typed as a 'thug' to hang their unfunny 'rapper' jokes on, or use hip hop argot to describe a plot point. It's supposed to be ironic, but ends up being a variation on something like this but in print: http://tinyurl.com/yh7c272 You just want to club them like a baby seal…
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Persistent ass kissing motherfucker.
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I fully agree with you that to hate Jaden Smith because of his skin colour is retard, to say the least. I don't like the tyke because he's obnoxious and irritating and seriously limited actor, even for a child, and he has a career solely because of neopotism and nothing else. That's the reason. And this is why retard fucks like Amadeo Zeller are also part of the problem, because they use the racecard in support of their prefered star and uses it agaisnt the detractors. I mean, to use the race card in defense of a black superstar and his tyke kid is racism too. Would anybody use the race card to defend Bruce Willis? He's a white, that's a "race" too, right? You now see the absurdity of that shit? Race card carriers can all kiss my ass, regardless of their race, white, black or blue.
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Asimov, I respect your film opinions, but you're sounding racist right now.Whenever I hear the term 'race card', it tends to come out of the mouth of someone racist. I've always hated that term. I guess it's supposed to trivialize charges of racism by just dismissing it as a person trying to get a one-up through... playing cards? Is there a rape card, like 'cry rape'? If a girl cries rape, do you say she's playing the rape card?No doubt there are false charges of rape and racism in the world, but I think they're minimal in comparison to REAL charges of rape and racism, and those occasional false charges don't make the actual suffering experiences less realanyway, pet peeve of mine.
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Friend, c'mon, man! My whole point is the exact oposite. Remember what i said above? That i like racism as much as i like Jar Jar Abrams's SHIT TREK? and around here, i'm hardly that movie's biggest support. And, i have seen it too often, the Will smith groupies pulling out the race card to try to shut up the oposition. Adn those fucks are as bad as the fucks who hate Will smith only becaus eof his skin colour. that's the fucking point i'm making. i though that having said the same thing dozens of time already would had made the point come across already. I dislike Smith's tyke because he's unsufferable. that's all there is to it. The kid sucks. Is he black? Didn't noticed it!
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Call me that to my face one day and we'll see who is the real pussy. Fucking asshole, can't handle the fact that your comments are coming off as racist droning so you project yourself on to other posters like Glen Beck. You don't even live in America so how the fuck you know how black people act? Acting all tough cuz you can type on your computer anonymously from half a world away and pick on 11yr old kids. I'm usually pretty chill but you're starting to piss me off.
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...don't want to get into a long story but it happened witha friend of mine and the daughter of a woman I was seeing. Man, this talkback has gotten nasty. I still don't think that just because you think this flick will suck, it makes you a racist. If I heard that it was say Arnold's kid starrin in it, I'd still say it would suck. Or if Arnold's kid would was gonna be in a remake of the Terminator. basically whenever I hear about a remake I think, oh no. Once in a while, I'm surprised, but mostly the films turn out to be turds and you can usually teel when you see the trailer.
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That's what I'm trying to get at. It's ridiculous and derogatory to even think of a rape card, because that implies that is used like some object to gain access to who knows what.Obviously there are false allegations of rape (or what you would call 'playing the rape card' whatever), but the point is that rape is a VERY real issue, and the number of REAL situations far outweigh the fake ones.But when people mention 'rape card', they imply that real and fake rape are pretty much even and can be called whimsically at the discretion of the individual for personal gain, which is obviously untrue and highly offensive.
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I'm yet to see them, especially the ones that first pull out the 'race card'. Whenever I see Will Smith on TBs here, the first thing I see is some guy make an 'off-color' remark. It's never the other way round i.e. "I love Will Smith for his blackness and good luck to his black son." lol.So I still don't see your point. and I'm not a fan of the 'race card' word either, as I've already explained.Anyway, all that matters is that Star Trek sucks. lol. Question for y'all: Doesn't the movie seem that much dumber when you watch it at home, and realize all the hype is gone, and you're left with an utter crapfest?
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Jan 09, 2010 9:23:44 AM CST
ASIMOVLIVES - I JUST SHOWED YOUR POST FROM 05:31:34 AM
by bringingsexyback
to my wife. We want to thank you for a great laugh.
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My god, the anti- pc brigade just always surprises. Whats next? Victims of murder will be playing the M-Card? Nice to know where playing a game.
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You don't know where it's been!!! Pass the hand sanitizer!!
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Arresting that Chinese student (grad student in molecular sciences FFS) at Newark Airport because he just wanted to hug his girlfriend. If he was white nobody would've even noticed.
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4, 5 Latinos got arrested because of her. Two days later she recanted and admitted the gang bang was consensual when the DA said there's a cam video of the shenanigans (which there wasn't but good ploy).
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Get that shit in writing first son!
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Seriously, when Rene_Belloq said "I have lots of Black Friends", I LOLed. Will be accused of being a racist for saying honky? Well, im not cause I have a white girlfriend with big titties who I love ^_^
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Because I think we outnumber here KFC, on this board and in the USA. And I don't think there has been a history of black people passing laws denying me of my civil rights or that the word has as much power as the "N" word.
Plus, no offense KFC, I could care less if you don't find it offensive - I do. If he called some girl a cunt or bitch just because she's a woman or used the word kike to describe Speilberg, I would say he is an asshole. Sorry, but using derogatory slang to attack someone's race or ethnicity or gender means it is that persons race or gender that is the issue. That is the definition of a bigot. This isn't about PCism, it is about civility.
And back to honky - that doesn't bother me. But if you referred to me as a white devil and meant it, or made a blanket statement about white America like "they are the most racist people on Earth" or "they steal from everybody else" then I iwould probably have a problem with you and say you're a bigot. -
will kick the arse of everybody who spent years in training as opposed to his few weeks (yawn) but at least this time it's a black kid. In China. Which means less screen time for pasty white yankee assholes.
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Jan 09, 2010 10:40:33 AM CST
No, ChickenFucker you won't be accused because...
by hollywoodhellraiser
you're a trolling whiteboy trying to post as black!Wanna know how I guess it? No, racist black guy would misspelled "honkys"!
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rascists. If you meant "most rascist nation" that would be the Irish. America doesn't steal from everybody else, its just loud and pushy. A very much retarded.
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Jan 09, 2010 10:45:15 AM CST
Plus, seriously, why use that word in reference to a kid
by continentalop
Besides his skin color, why would you bring up "Nigga"? He isn't 50 Cent or Snoop Dogg or Dave Chappelle or anyone else that brandishes that word, and it the film isn't set in some bad stereotypical black ghetto. So really, the only issue here is a black kid was cast and that makes him a target for jokes about his skin.
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I take it your English?
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and we got ourselves a party.
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The fact of the matter is, I think there are some harmless, funny ways to reference Jaden's blackness in the context of him being the central character in a movie based in China and co-starring the Chan Man. Maybe calling him "ni**a" is crossing the line. I do get that.
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..he's at that age where if he's not your kid and you don't have to love him through it, you can't stand the look of him. All teens get to that spindly, awkward stage where they're built like wiry adults but are still just kids. If he had hit the scene where he could have been a smart-alec toddler, like Brandon Cruise, people could have liked him right off the bat, but he's too far past the cute stage. Yeah Brandon Cruise, I went there. Look it up motherfuckers.
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GREAT.... man i hope that movie KICKS ASS. Looks good at least.
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I'm not saying you can't make off color jokes (no pun inteded) but fuck, putting the N-word in the title just because the kid is black? That is a cheap and tasteless joke, and I'm calling it out.
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Look you don't have to like him as an actor, and you should call out the Nepotism bullshit when you see it. But guess what, it isn't kid's fault it's his parents. Get upset at Will Smith - he deserves it for pushing his kid on the world. But so much anger directed at some young kid is just nuts.
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Jan 09, 2010 11:41:21 AM CST
I think that the problem with this movie is that it is hard to h
by abovo
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that could draw kids to the theater and be coached by an academy award winning father?
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I think that the problem with this movie is that it is hard to have sympathy for Jaden
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HOW DARE YOU IM A BLACK MAN WHO TAKES OFFENSE1
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Before he gets slammed any further, why not reserve judgement until actually seeing the movie? Aside from having to act under a microscope because of who he is, this kid had to learn some real martial arts that isn't going to hide behind some fast cut close-up shots. I guarantee you, Will Smith isn't about to put his son on a pedestal to be humiliated. And with the story set in China, a lot of North Americans are about to get an introduction to Kung Fu competitions in China which are vastly different to the rinky dink Katas seen here.
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Would be "nigtastic" though. I would like my studio trophy now, great.
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Jan 09, 2010 11:54:47 AM CST
It's amazing how rudeness can derail a sensible conversation
by jsscript2007
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They still ban idiots here right?
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*Sigh*
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to become a more decent actor than his 'AW HELL NAW' father.so give him some slack ok?
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Put me on record as saying this movie will do better than the original. Much better. And you can adjust for inflation.
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its going to become at least a decent hit.jackie chan,kung fu,weak black kid vs strong kids in a foreign country ,Smith's name on it through his kid,remake of an original classic,yeah it has potential for commercial success.
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Jan 09, 2010 12:10:16 PM CST
Jsscript I think there is room to criticize Jadeen Smith
by continentalop
How many other kids get their daddy to make a movie for them to star in? That is nepotism at it's worse and most blatant. And even if people say "who wouldn't do that for their children?" it still isn't right.
No matter how it seems like it is harmless, being a child actor is still a job, and Will Smith basically gave a job to someone based on family relation alone. And not getting an oppurtunity in a film can hurt a kid's career, both as a child actor and as an adult. It is like a coach's kid getting the starting job, no matter what. It isn't fair or ethical, and the fact he keeps getting more playing time means he is going to get better while the kid who is unfairly sent to the bench is going to see his skills atrophy. -
I don't think he gave him the job on family relation alone. I think "Pursuit of Happyness" earned him the right to be considered. Both parents are producing, so they didn't exactly ship him off to China and say good luck. If you were producing, who would you have cast?
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so he can put his kid or whoever wants in the movie as a protagonist.Produce your own movie and put your own kid if you wish.
And 2 other things: else.Nepotism in film industry might be an unfairness for young unknown people who bust their asses to make a carrer,but at least its harmless.
On the other hand nepotism in other aspects of life,like in politics (george bush jr) that is not just unfair,its dangerous.
and the second thing is that in film industry (and in music industry etc) producers and directors and all the big names,they exploit young actresses and actors,they turn them into whores,just to give them the chance to make a career in Holywood.I am pretty sure half of the super-stars have slept with someone just to get a big role or something.This thing is a lot more terrible than nepotism. -
I would expect them to go out and cast the best kid actor they could find - besides their son. They should have at least the appearance of fairness and impartiality, but if their son is involved it is an obvious case of bias and nepotism and a conlict of interest between there role as parents and producers..
Kid actors in big movies is big bucks; sometimes hundred of thousands to millions. It is also a way to get a head start over everyone else. We don't accept it when politicians give big government contracts to there relatives and we got upset when Ivy League schools only accepted the upper class WASP, so why should we accept such obvious favoritism from Big Hollywood stars?
And as I said before, I don't hate the kid for this. I don't hate little rich princesses for wanting ponies and expensive dresses, but I do get annoyed with the kid's parent for spoiling her, especially when their prize is at the expense of another kid. -
I work in the film industry, so believe me when I tell you I have seen both the nepotism and the exploitation of dreamers (and not just girls, and not just sexually). But just because one thing is worse than another doesn't mean we should accept it; rape isn't as bad as murder, so we shouldn't investigate and prosecute those crimes?
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Nepotism in film industry hurts other people,especially when the movie is produced by the parent? you just say its not acceptable,but you tell us WHY its not acceptable.
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and I agree with you virtually on all your points, because they are on the parents, not Jaden. I also work in the industry and have seen first hand as producers actually sell acting gigs to rich parents so their kids can be in the movie. It's pathetic.
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People are busting there as out here for a break. When you give the job to your kid because you are the producers, that means another kid didn't get a break. And if he doesn't get a break, he might never get discovered.
It is as simple as that. You give work to a relative someone else doesn't get the job. And the only way you get better and make it in Hollywood is by working.
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it all comes down to money. Because a rich parent can take little Bobby to acting classes, while broke assed parents can't. They can also afford to drive all over town taking him or her to auditions.
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If a school gives a scholarship to a legacy and son of their biggest donor, don't you think that might hurt the poor kid who can't afford tuition? I can see why some would say that is bad.
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I have a lot of respect for Will Smith and even for Jada Pinkett, however, Mr (Dre) Cornrows is just another dumb attempt to ghetto-ize a classic American movie franchise.
This movie is going to flop, even if they continue to call it "The Karate Kid." Oh, and guess what? It has a Hip Hop soundtrack, to boot. This is complete and utter bullshit.
Dre is just trying to profit off the back of his parents and the kid has no talent and no acting skills.
This movie is going to be an abysmal failure. Even Jackie Chan has seen some of his movies released over here that haven't faired all that well and the studio is going to lose money.
Oh, and if anyone thinks that the studio is going to make money from this remake, they have another thing coming because "The Karate Kid" movies and their various sequels have been seen by a very large segment of our population and everyone knows the original movies and most have seen them. Just look at The Honeymooners, which attempted to turn a classic television series into an black urban comedy. It failed miserably at the Box Office. The studio cannot drastically alter the demographics of the movie and that's exactly what they have done.
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Go fuck off!
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But Jaden has already gotten a million more opportunities and advantages than another kid. He should easily go out and win another part just with his acting lessons, mentoring and experience, why does daddy have to give him a movie? He should be able to earn it with all those advantages.
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Who else would be right for that part that could open a movie? You could cast an unknown, but as a producer, would you?
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Because his parents are rich? automatically you dont deserve your own chances in life,because you are in a better position than other unluckier humans?
Besides i think that a parent's role is to help his kid to achieve something in his life,with every way he can.
If your kid studied in film school and he is looking for a job in the film industry,you as a parent wouldnt you use your connections to find a job for your kid there?
i am not talking to tell someone who owes you a favor,to fire someone in order to replace him with your kid.not that.just to find an available job for your kid.
thats the difference.Will Smith is producing his own movie,and putting his own kid.He didnt go to a producer who is making a movie with a kid as a protagonist,and told him: 'hey get rid of that unknown kid,and put mine otherwise i wont work again with you' its not the same,see? -
If Jaden Smith is such a draw, why are they keeping the title THE KARATE KID? Because it has name recognition and drawing power: Jaden Smith doesn't.
I think his parents are setting him up to have drawing power (hence why they are featuring his name in the credits) but right now they are gambling that this film will propel his career and make him a star. -
about the kid,rather than annoyed by the 'unfairness' of this situation.
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biggest donor,is not the same with what we are talking right now.they are entirely different things.
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Not an aristocracy. We are supposed to reward talent, not allow those with wealth to just purchase a spot for their son. He should be able to do it on his own with all the headstarts he has been given.
And there is only a finite number of films or jobs available. Will Smith didn't put his own money in it, he is just producing it. That means that is money that could have gone for another project that another kid might have gotten, but instead Will Smith is using it to push his son based on blood, not talent.
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Let's people know it's a remake of a classic. If they had started with The Kung Fu kid, I think people would have a knee-jerk reaction that it was just a rip off with no good intentions. Now that there is a ton of publicity for the movie and most people are for the name change to Kung Fu Kid, it might be changed. On set, Jackie and others refer to it as Kung Fu Kid. Although, someone mentioned earlier they'e seen a poster with Karate Kid. That's lame, but I guess producers figure most people won't give a shit and will only remember the good experience from the first film, which used Kung Fu (crane stance) and nobody bitched about it. Or at least they didn't have a forum like this to bitch about it. Jaden isn't enough of a draw to open a movie, but he is recognizable. Of course his name is going to be in the credits, even an unknown would have their name in the credits. That's standard. I'm not sure using the words "setting him up" are appropriate, because it implies they hope it will fail, but I agree their intentions are the film will boost his career, why wouldn't they be? They're just laying the foundation for a long career. They know the pro and con for child actors. There's probably going to be a stretch where we don't see the kid for five years.
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But once again, that raises the question of does it look inappropriate and like a conflict of interest. Maybe it is unfair to the scion of the rich donor, but appearances of fairness matter. The rich kid should probably go to a school where his dad isn't the biggest donor so it doesn't look like favoritism. And the kid has been born with so many advantages and given so many opportunities, he should be able to get another scholarship. Plus he still has all of his dad's contacts and connections when he is done.
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The whole thing stinks of disgusting nepotism.
The fact that they are still totally inaccurately calling it 'The Karate Kid' just underlines the deep cynicism of the whole endeavour.
The fact that they can't even be bothered to give the fucking thing a name that makes sense just shows how little artistic integrity it has. They are simply cashing in on the familiarity audiences have with this property to make more money and launch Will Smith's son's career.
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Are you serious? Who am I trolling here? I am just saying what Belloq said would NOT be considered racist from where I am (The South). When you live down here, u get desensitized quick I dunno..since PeanutButterSlut didnt single out one race, his dumbass comment is annoying but somewhat tolerable (for the internet) but Kenichi Tanaka is a douche. Bitch, dont ever say im not Black. Whats the saying? Pics or GTFO? BTW, This isnt my GF http://tinyurl.com/yganupt
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White Women.
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I wasn't using the word "niggah" under any hateful context, I wasn't saying he has no talent and that Will Smith paid for his career, those were other racist fucks. Maybe I even made the comment to bring your racist skeletons out of the closet. Continentalop, i'm still funnier than you, just to prove it more people are defending me. And this is the top talkback.
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Because of who his parents are is RACIST.
Haven't we seen good talent sons or daughters of other famous actors. Drew Barrymore, Charlie Sheen, Bryce Dallas Howard just George Fuckin' Clooney for fucks sake. -
It IS a reality though. Conti doesn't sound jealous, he sounds fed up with the general unfairness and what appears to be a burgeoning manufactured 'kid star'. Same with AsimovLives. It's easy to be dismissive or hold contempt when this grab for fame seems so blatant.Also, Conti isn't slagging on the kids talent just the position that he's in relation to his ability.
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THAT'S funny.
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The fact that he is black is fucking irrelevant.
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...just sayin'....
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I think you're missing the point. It's not a "racist" comment, but it is a 'race-baiting' comment. The joke is based SOLEY on Jaden's skin colour. But, Jaden isn't a hip hop star. He doesn't portray the 'street thug' or have mad attitude. So, the 'niggah' comment doesn't apply. It wouldn't be as obnoxious if 50 Cent or Lil Wayne were being referenced (at least not to me). That was the issue.
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Jan 09, 2010 2:11:06 PM CST
So Asimovlives and Lop want to be Child Actors?
by rene_belloq_12inch_figure
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Seriously. I'm getting tired of this shit.
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of a larger social issue. People live off the distorted sense of entitlement and self importance. The idea that you can become a star without having any appreciable skills and that you DESERVE be a star.Mind you I'm not bagging on Jaden's talent anymore than I would bag on Miley Cyrus (they're not really on my radar—I know who they are but that's about it).
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So only if youre a "street thug" or show "mad attitude", then it is ok to be labeled a "Nigga" (I am sick of that damn 'H'. I blame you Belloq!~) That is NOT the issue. I am trying not to attack you out of anger. I feel you are a little ignorant to the issue though. You are right that it was a race-baiting comment, but I guarantee you, Will Smith calls his son nigga all the time and Jaden probably says it back in a loving matter. Just cause he grew up in the rich suburbs of Hollywood, doesnt mean he is safe from the word. I am sure there are secret racists from this Talkback who see Jaden as the N word in the wrong way. I see him as smart ass nigga who has just got paid and is growing up to be a great star one day. Good for the lil' Nig. TBH, the real issue is that people associate Nigga with just black people. I call people at work Nigga all of the time because I know the white people cant say it back. Yes it is a double standard and you damn right I take advantage of it. It makes white people squirm. Everyone in the world is a nigga. Everyone in this talkback is a nigga! How bout that?
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The trolls are just trying to provoke — notice how they don't add anything to the discussion?
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Donald Sutherland~~~~Kiefer Sutherland
Debbie Reynolds~~~~~Carrie Fisher
Janet Leigh and Tony Curtis~~~Jamie Leigh Curtis
Ron Howard~~~~Bryce Dallas Howard
Ingrid Bergman~~~~Isabella Rossellini
Goldie Hawn~~~~~Kate Hudson
Kirk Douglas~~~~~~Michael Douglas
Blythe Danner~~~~~Gwyneth Paltrow
Martin Sheen~~~Charlie Sheen and Emilio Estevez
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For you to mistake my coments as racist, you need to be a fucking retard. A FUCKING RETARD!
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Disturbs me.
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I'm confused by this talkback.
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Seriously. They really spoil a day at the park.
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The "N" word doesn't need to be used to make a point, joke or whatever. It may have its place between some people or on stage, etc.. But here, it comes across as a lack of respect for peers.
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No. But I will say that I didn't see Martin Sheen producing a movie for his sons to star in. I am sure he opened a lot of doors and his name made it a lot easier for them, but point out when he produced a movie and cast them just to make them stars?
It isn't fair to have a famous father and have a lot of Hollywood connections because who you are born too, but life isn't fair. Actually casting your son in a movie you are producing is a little beyond "unfair."
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Yeah, because neither Keifer Sutherland, Bryce Dallas Howard, Isabella Rosellini, Jamie Leigh Curtis and Michael Douglas haven't not proved their worth on their own, haven't they? In fact, this people are now know because of their own capacities, they own abilities, of which they being childrne of very well known stars inicially worked AGAINST them, not in their favour.Will Smith's tyke, however, is having it all offered in a silver plate without effort, and all due to his dad and mommy's being major players in the Hollywood film industry. So, excuse me if i throw to the ground your atempt at justifying Lil Willy's neopotism.That said, for me, the jury is still out on Kate Hudson. Lovely lass, but i'm not too sure about her talent.
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and you haven't seen the Karate Kid yet.
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You can be my "Caucasian." (Little Curb Your Enthusiasm reference for ya).
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He doesn't need daddy to make a movie for him. That is why I am against it, it is a cynical attempt to force him upon us to be a star.
The kid might be a good actor. He might be a great actor. It doesn't mean I have to accept the fact that he is getting preferential treatment. I accept the fact he has advantages and a headstart in a race against the other kid actors because of who is parents are - I don't have to accept the fact they also said he has to run a shorter track to make it. -
I can't even count how many times he said the N word in that movie. Also in American Gangster.
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Jan 09, 2010 2:36:37 PM CST
How can he prove his worth in his meezly 12 years of life
by rene_belloq_12inch_figure
and being cast in The Day the Earth Stood Still.
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get shot in the face point blank than be branded a racist. Maybe there is hope. The propblem is the freedom of speech and the ability to use words with wreckless abandon and disregard for how others might take it, all in the name of humour? So, mistakes are made, but I see people pissed at Will for his actions and not his skin.
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cuz that show Hawthorne BOMBED HARD.
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Thankfully, the lovely Sofia Coppola proved to be her own woman and showed real talent when she became a scriptwriter/director.And i guess this is the point we are trying to make, isn't it? That this stars' children need to show and prove their talent as much, if not mor,e then anybody else. More, i say, because they already start at an advantage.Do i like Duncan jones' movie MOON better because he's the Son Of Bowie? No,i like his movie because it's one hell of a darn good movie and i like him as a writer/director because he made one darn very good movie. Him being the Son Of Bowie is merely incidental, the way i see it, more a matter of trivia then as anything i should hold in favor of him.I mwean, if i was such a sucker for neopotism, as the Race Card For Lil Willy Supporters are, i should love to high heaven Plunkett & Macleane because it was directed by Jake Scott, Son of Ridley, hem? Bullshit! Bullshit! Lil' Willy Race Card Hypocrite Supporters can kiss my ass!
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reappropriation of the word is to take back the dehumanizing element and use it as a term of endearment and reframe the dynamics of power the word represents. If I say to a friend "S'up my nigga?" it's a term of genuine respect and affection. It's almost like a proper noun.The recent upswing in the use of the word (last 20 years or so) is a DIRECT result of hip hop culture—you could trace it to "NWA" and "Kool G. Rap" as the most visible examples. It gained more widespread 'acceptance' as underground hip hop became more mainstream. That's why the self described "street thug" spitting "mad attitude" claims the word; it was a stark contrast to the portrayals of Black artists in the 80's who were still trying to prove they were respectable to the mainstream, especially in the Reagan era which dehumanized the Black working class.The working class claimed the word first and you can trace it's rise in popularity with the comparable rise in the 'acceptance' of 'gangsta' street culture into the mainstream.
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Before giving him a feature to star in? Hmmm. Or maybe not be involved in pushing your kids career, because that is a conflict of interest as a producer, which like it or not is an authority position?
Like I said, if he is good he will make it, and he still has a million other advantages to being Will Smith's son that he doesn't need to have a Hollywood career handed to him. -
"From what I gather, people here would rather get shot in the face point blank than be branded a racist."You bet.And i would love to shoot in their non-existent testicles all this motherfuckers who call racists to all those who don't like and don't kiss the ass of Will Smith and his fucking tyke of a son. Fucking asses! Those fuckign stupid assholes are the real racists, because it's they who think of all this business in lieu of the race of the people being discussed. Those are the real racists, the motherfuckers who bring race in defense of Will Smith. Fucking assholes! Fuck them in their fucking asses the lot of them!
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is a huge marketing mistake, and the movie will suffer because of that. Every dad helps his son or daughter in a way, paying for his school, etc. etc. Your just jealous cuz Will Smith is not your daddy.
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I always wanted to watch Curb Your Enthusiasm....
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I wasn't even talking about your dumbass. Secondly Bryce Dallas Howard, Keifer Sutherland et all got their foot through the door EXACTLY because who their parenst were. What they did after was up to their talents. So how about giving the kid some time you sad fuck.
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And people used to accuse Shia LeBeouf for having advantages and neopotism. The dude is nothing compared to what is happening with Jaden Smith. The level of neopotism going on the tyke is one of the worst most shameless case i ever seen in the movie industry since ever. It's very obvious that Will smith and his wife are trying to push his son to be an action star figure and a popular star figure with him barely in his pre-teens. This is a blatant case of the making of a star. and not by the usal means, in which somebody noticed an actor who is unusually talented, pretty or charismatic (or all) and try to push and hype him as a star. No, this is building the star before it even has proved anything as an actor. In fact, one constant complain about Jaden Smith is how naturally unsympathetic he is. The kid cannot shade away his royalty smugness in his acting. They are making him a star when he hasn't evne shown the most basic ability to play a role that is different to his own self. Truly, it's how shameless all this business is conducted that makes me sick.
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No, those people are now known because they actually set about to prove for themselves without their daddy's inflçuences. In fact, Keifer became his own man at a time when his dad's star influence already didn't existed since the early 80s,and he was making a living playing supporter roles, his time as a leading man all over. Keifer did his own climbing, which also faced a very low fall, until his resurection in 24.As for Bryce Dallas, read any bio of her, it will tell the same thing: the biggest push her dad gave was to cast her as EXTRA in two of his movies. Her real career, she did it all on her own, and she proved herself with her own real talent. And you know, me praising Bryce Dallas Howard, it's becaus she rerally has the stuff, because by all accouints, she being Ronnie Howard's daughter works AGAINST her, because i fucking hate him and the fucking movies he shits. Bryce Dallas Howard deserves all the accolades she gets because she really deserves them because she truly is talented and deserving. And she actually worked to get them. So there.
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With Chan's involvement, I have no doubt that the martial arts will be far superior in this remake. And unlike Miyagi, it seems like his character doesn't give Smith the run-around with what he's learning (notice how the jacket is used in a lesson in one scene, instead of being drawn out over several scenes, like when Daniel was doing Miyagi's housework and didn't realize he was learning karate).
So while we'll see some good fight sequences, I think the quality of this film will depend on the non-martial arts scenes. The original KK was not just about karate. It was a love story, a surrogate father-and-son story, and a coming-of-age story. A lot is going to depend on the performances of Smith and Chan. Smith loses points for believability, since we know he is Will's kid. As for Chan, he may be a great martial artist, but when it comes to acting, he can't hold a nunchuck to Pat Morita.
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Jan 09, 2010 2:58:20 PM CST
Rene, your idiocy is only matched by your lack of comprehension
by continentalop
How many time have I said that if you are rich you are given advantages to begin with? How many times have I mentioned that life is unfair but I can accept that?
My point is, which your small, tiny brain seems unable to fathom, that there some standards that we as a society will accept as appropriate behavior. We always set boundaries and standards. Giving your son a job based on being a relation is not acceptable. Why? Because we are supposed to be a meritocracy, where you are rewarded for talent, not who you know.
I'm not naive enough to think we follow that belief completely or that you will do away with family contacts or some nepotism, but society always sets boundaries about how far you are allowed to go. Sorry, but your father giving you a movie in a profession where people are busting their asses to make it is completely beyond the pale in my opinion. It is unfair and unethical.
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The kid might be good and might make it, and like i said his family connections won't hurt him. I can accept that. But this is daddy buying him a career, and I don't care who's son it was, I would still say this is wrong.
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Nice try though Lop.
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amount of 'yes man/women' who suggest this to Will & Jada — it's a fine way to launch a career in your own right. "I just got the son of the world's top movie star a deal for his own movie…" etc., etc. There are so many angles at work here that to take so much hostility on the kid… it just seems more obnoxious than attacking Jaden's smug demeanour. I don't think he's naturally unsympathetic, but I do think he can be a bit 'hammy'. He's a cute kid and the camera loves him (so do the girls his own age). I want to see if he can show and prove though(but not necessarily in this star vehicle)…
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...pisses me off.Now what do I call them?
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...then you're having a conversation...next thing you know you're sharing a bag of Pork Rinds.That won't do.
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taking umbrage in regards to NEPOTISM? Helloooo, nepotism and Hollywood was not created by Will Smith, and considering that over 99% of Hollywood's productions are solely white, you accusing Will Smith of nepotism is not only comical, but in your pseudo-liberal backhanded (I'M NOT RACIST) way, is just saying/asking: "WHO DOES THIS NIGGA THINK HE IS?" - HOW DARE HE (WILL SMITH) TAKE OUR TIME-HONORED TRADITION OF RACIST EXCLUSIONISM, WHILE CASTING THE LEADS IN HIS PRODUCTIONS, AND USE IT TO HIS ADVANTAGE!" - You mutha' fuckas' slay me with your bullshit and your skewed idea of the status quo.
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If he was white I would hate the nepotism. I don't like the fact Brett Eisner gets to direct big movies based on daddy's last name, and I don't like it when George W. Bush got a leg up in politics because of who is daddy is. And I already mentioned Sofia Coppola, so you're argument is completely bogus and misleading. And stupid.
And just because it is a tradition, doesn't mean we have to accept it. Used to be a tradition that women were chattel and that only rich white men went to college. We got rid of those ideas, why not try to get rid of nepotism?
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next they'll try and say all the hollywood jews are nepotists. Fuckin' racists!
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I actually AGREE with you to an extent. I'd have to take the anger and bitterness out of your, um, 'critique', but yeah you do have a point.My problem with the nepotism angle is that because it's much easier for a star of Will Smith's caliber to open those doors, he could find Jaden a really powerful coach to build his appeal beyond the "Teen Beat" market. As someone mentioned above, I don't think that Tatum O'Neal having a famous father hurt her chances of success (well, discount the emotional violence) and I don't think that should matter to an initial degree. But, you have to be able to carry a movie. Jaden will have to prove that.
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and nobody said that life is fair.we cant do anything more with that,we just compromise.And we are the luck ones,we live in a more civilized world,where we get our chances to achieve in life.but what about the kids in the 3rd world countries,who are born without the slightest chance to achieve in their lives.From kids,they become soldiers,labor workers,prostitutes.
But about the specific situation with Smith,it is unfair i agree with that,but you havent yet showed to me why its immoral or illegal for a parent,if he has the means, to produce a movie and put his kid as the lead there.
You may disagree with the other's fortune but you cant accuse him of immorality for having the luxury to get more chances to achieve in life.
And we are talking about nepotism.If Jaden doesnt want to become an actor,but his daddy forces him to follow his footsteps because Will wants to have a worthy heir of his legacy,that is an entire different situation. -
of what I'm talking about.
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Jan 09, 2010 3:59:16 PM CST
Thanks to Nepotism we have the Greatest Actor of our Generation
by rene_belloq_12inch_figure
Alec Baldwin, Hollywood has a way of separating the talented from the untalented just check the Baldwin brothers, some ar Christian ex drug addicts and Alec is still striving.
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LOL! Considering you can count your list on one hand, speak volumes in comparison to over 85+ years of Hollywood's race based casting and hiring practices, asshole...So spare me your misplaced moral outrage...Btw, are you aware that the director of Precious is the first African American to be nominated for best director by the DGA? I guess in your eyes, COLORED FOLKS are now equal, huh?
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Maybe this two are sons of rich people who have been favoured in life, and they take humbrage to people thinking ill of nepotism, which for them is the natural order of things. They easy attitude toward the nepotism that Jaden Smith gets is beyond suspect. Seems like a clear case of class identification.
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...with ferreting out nepotism is where do you stop?If you hook your brother up with your agent is that nepotism? If you give your brother a job it is, but what about your cousin? If you barely know your cousin but are best buds with the FedEx person and you give them a job is it nepotism? Is it only blood relatives or friends and neighbors too?Seems complicated. Maybe it's like pornography..."I don't know if it's art...but I know what I like"...or is that "I don't know if it's art, but I know pornography when I see it"...or "I don't know if it's pornography, but I like it"...you know what I mean...
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Carry a movie, huh? And when did carrying a movie ever stop Hollywood's powers that be from shoving Jeff Bridges, Nicole Kidman, Robert De Niro and a host of other white actors/actresses down our collective throats? Can you honestly say that these aformentioned "THESPIANS" can carry a movie? - And yet they're still casted and overpayed.
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Smith is PRODUCING his own movie and is putting his kid in.WHY exactly is this wrong? why is it immoral? it is unfair,but that does not make it immoral.and yet i havent seen any argument why this thing Will Smith is doing,its immoral.well?
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Kimbo Slice? Any thoughts?
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Hilarious. Had to start that thread from the beginning. Racism! Nepotism! Woo hoo! I'm gonna go fuck my girlfriend now.
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Nor that it should be. Just that it is unethical. And it is unethical because it goes against one of our principles of this country - all men are created equal and all should have the same opportunity. OPPORTUNITY. We obviously don't always live by that concept, but if people don't follow that idea it is still wrong. What opportunity does a kid have to make it in show business if the only way you can get a part is have a famous relative in the business? Should he, and we as society, just say accept it and go back to sweeping the streets?
I mean, what is the difference between nepotism and racism? Really. On one hand you want a certain race to prosper and thrive so you set up things to their advantage because you are part of that race; on the other hand you hand you want your own kin to prosper and thrive because they are related to you and share your genes. It might be more understandable, but it doesn't make it right.
And I am not saying there should be a law, but social pressure does have power. There is no law against being an asshole and saying racist shit, but there is social pressure and that does keep some people in check. If society doesn't accept something, less people will accept it as well. Of course, some people will just say that is PCism, but I say it is fucking civility and understanding that you can't always get your way if you want to function as a society.
And to go back to ethics - if a producer sleeps with an actress for her to get a part, I would criticize him as well. Sure it happens, and it might not be technically illegal, but I would say he is an asshole and a douche (looking at Don Simpsons grave) and just because it happens doesn't make it right. -
What in the fuck are you talking about?
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No Cobra Kai? No sweep the leg Johnny? No Elizabeth Shue? No Miyagi? No cheesy 80s pop culture? No Larusso? No sale.
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Jan 09, 2010 4:15:31 PM CST
...if you put your nephew in a shit movie is it nepotism?...
by flickapoo
...or only if you put him in a good movie?
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But saying that because white people have been doing it for years, not it is black people's chance just doesn't cut it with me. Equality is just that - equality. It isn't favoritism.
And it is funny how it is always upper class people, no matter what race, who want to keep the status quo of the rich get richer and the poor get nothing. They never think about how everybody left back in the slums and ghetto would probably be over all better off if they got rid of nepotism. -
...in a shit movie.
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Remember to roll her around in flower first so you can find the hole.
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Jan 09, 2010 4:19:10 PM CST
BTW, we have been practicing sexism, racism and classism
by continentalop
For centuries. Does that make any of those concepts right, even if a new group gets a chance to be on top? I don't think so...
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I am a rich father who buys a shop and donates it to his kid to run it and make money for himself.Is the action of the father unethical?
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Jan 09, 2010 4:27:01 PM CST
There's nothing wrong in helping your offspring
by rene_belloq_12inch_figure
its worse if you neglect them and they become drug and plastic surgery addicts because you never ask them to do anything, at least Will Smith is making his kid work for it.
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Jan 09, 2010 4:27:08 PM CST
There's nothing wrong in helping your offspring
by rene_belloq_12inch_figure
its worse if you neglect them and they become drug and plastic surgery addicts because you never ask them to do anything, at least Will Smith is making his kid work for it.
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One of the only jobs like that in town? Does it prevent another kid a chance at a shot at stardom?
There is only a limited number of spots in Hollywood and big budget movies. That's a fact. By making his kid a star he is giving him an advantage that other kids won't have, and he will then get first dibs on all future acting job.
If you gave your kid the head CEO job of your company, I would say that is unethical. If you were the Chairman of the Joint Chief of Staffs and promoted your son to General, I would call that unethical. When you put your son as a star in one of the few Hollywood productions made each year, and one that will give him a chance/break other kids can only dream of, I call that unethical.
Like I said early, I am not naive and know nepotism will go on. I also think there is degrees, just like anything. But giving your son a spot in something that hundreds of thousands of kids are trying to get and busting their ass for based on the mere fact that he is your son is fucking wrong. -
...you kid is truthful and good. It is better to be truthful and good...than to not.It's immoral to give your kid a movie if he's a little prick. If your kid is a prick...you pretend not to know, but deep down inside......you do.
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Uhhh, you brought it up with your "JADEN WILL HAVE TO PROVE HE CAN CARRY A MOVIE" response. I merely countered with a list of folks whose been in the business for over 20+ years, and with the exception of a few B.O. hits to their credit, they're still being casted in leading roles, even though over the years, their B.O. performance doesn't justify their continued participation in the Hollywood casting machine....Now can you honestly say that non-white actors/actresses are afforded the same "NEPOTISM/PERKS as the aformentioned? To go by your rationale, Haley Joel Osment or MaCauley Culken never would've been casted, due to their unproven B.O. appeal.
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Haley Joel Osment earned it. He was an unknown child actors who earned the role.
Jaden might be good, but he has to prove it. And unfortunately for him and his dad they have a little bigger burden of proving that he gets a part fair and square because of who he is.
But like ominus said, life is unfair. In both directions. A coaches kid better be damn good before he gets the starting position unless he wants to hear how he only got it from nepotism. Same applies to movies.
What I am just amazed at is how people can just turn a blind eye to it. Sorry, but shouldn't merit have a big part to play?
And yeah, black actors haven't gotten a fair shake over the years. But you point out obvious racism and I'll support you. It is a little easier pointing out nepotism. That's just a fact. And just because one happens, doesn't make the other any less wrong. -
Nice to see him in a role where he isn't totally goofy.
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Have practiced nepotism for years and have a closed system to other groups doesn't wash with me. If anything, it hurts black people.
Will Smith comes in and now is just going to act like all the old time white stars and producers. Great for Will Smith and his kids, but it doesn't do shit for all the black kids trying to make it. Why? Because if he is going to go and defend nepotism, there still is more white guys in Hollywood, so a lot more of their kids will get a chance.
If anything Will Smith would be doing a bigger service to black kids - and everyone - by saying "I made it because someone gave me, a kid with no connections, an opportunity. Now I am going to do the same for another person."
I'm not saying he is obligated to that - shit, if he wants he can push his son on us. But I would respect him more if he gave the same chance to others that he got. I mean, I know him and his family got theirs, but maybe he should let another person get a chance instead of just hedging the bets so only his kid gets a chance. -
"For centuries. Does that make any of those concepts right, even if a new group gets a chance to be on top? I don't think so..." **********************************
...And that's it in a nutshell, isn't? With that response, you've just proven my point. You come off liberal, but in reality, you're just another scared white male feelin' disenfranchised over one isolated act of nepotism perpetrated by someone who just so happens to be black, hence your previous comment regarding those left behind in the slums and ghettos. Why bring it up, while discussing WILL SMITH and his (GASP) egregious act of nepotism, during the casting process of his movie? -
And the Jaden Smith case of nepotism gets worst because of how blatant, obvious and unashamed it is.
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realities at work. The U.S.A. is a huge country. Really, it's really big. Hollywood historically caters to the majority of the population, creating entertainment and grading on a curve to the lowest common denominator. In America the majority of the people are White. So Hollywood is operating in a matter of practical economic interest. Within that fiefdom (Hollywood) is a pecking order where those who have, fight to stay on top and those who don't have are capitalized on to the benefit of the elite. It's about money. FIRST and FOREMOST.Although many in the industry had brought their prejudices with them to work (D.W. Griffith) societal attitudes changes along with public mores. The old structure has been falling apart for decades and many of those ideas are being challenged. Money is the catalyst. But, now there is an issue about the balance of power — everyone is fighting to gain power within the old system, which we now know is falling apart.By focusing on race as the issue and not seeing it as an example of a red herring, your missing the bigger picture. The film industry usually speaks in generalities, every culture is stereotyped because they need to have a broad appeal to a large country where the majority of the population is White. The problem is that when the stereotypes are applied to People of Colour, they reinforce societal prejudices and unfortunately never redresses those social perspectives, because the point of a movie is not societal change but 'entertainment.'When you have a superstar performer like Will Smith, he transcends the simplistic racial model of a "Black Man" and becomes an "Everyman". He becomes an icon and an ideal. The exception is with people for whom race is so deeply imbedded that they can't see past his "Blackness" and so their criticisms attack what he represents: Rich, Confident, Talent, Black and Intelligent. (You'll notice that all of these descriptions are targeted in their critique of him or his work). His worked isn't judged on it's merits but on his "image" and how comfortable or uncomfortable the critic is with that persona. Your looking at race using an outdated paradigm and trapped by the perceptions inherited by older generations who don't have the fresh eyes to look at it from the present.But nepotism is a reality — it's one of the unwritten rules of the game. This is just one of the most blatant in recent memory, but pales in comparison to Breck Eisner.
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As some sort of bigot, but maybe you should go find some earlier post of mine about Eisner's kid or Sophia Coppola, or go find some earlier TBs about other cases of nepotism I've ripped into. I've criticized Gwennyth Paltrow, Jason Reitman and a bunch of others for basically getting a leg up thanks to whose child they are and who they know. So I am being consistent.
And guess what, it isn't isolated. Will Smith is just the latest and one of the most blatant examples. So that is why I am talking about it.
But that doesn't help your argument does it? No, better to try and come up with some strawman about me. Better luck next time, and maybe stay on message about how this is about nepotism and not racism. Of course it is easier to win an argument by just making shit up about your opponent than saying anything with merit. -
I want you to represent me.
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Just had to get that one off my chest…Can a brotha get table dance?
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Oh give me a break! Earn what? The lead in a Karate Kid remake? Your argument would be legitimate if we were talking about a remake of Hamlet or the Bicycle Thief...And why would I, you, or anyone else put the onus of righting the wrongs of 85+ years of race based nepotism on the shoulders of Will Smith, solely because he's black? I reiterate, you and everyone else accusing Will Smith of something that's been going on for over 85+ years in Hollywood is comical, hypocritical, and smacks of: "WHO DOES THIS NIGGA THINK HE IS?"
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i will develop it a bit more so you can understand the analogy:
I am a rich father and i live in a town.I got rich with my skills,and not with illegal operations.In the town there is a lot of space for selling from various owners.Everyone is freely to buy the space he wants from the sellers.But there are a lot of poor people in town who dont have enough money to buy the space they want.Since i am rich i can afford to buy some space,so i do this: i buy some space,i build a shop on it and give it to my son to run it however he wants.And life goes on.
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...never will be, but the beneficiaries and practitioners of blatant nepotism should be shunned and treated with all the condescension that was directed towards minorities and women in the bad old days.I'm not sure how much you can get away with legally...I'm going to start by calling Bush The Younger "boy" from now on...or maybe "sweetheart" or "sugartits" too. He should also have to drink from the kiddie fountain, use the kiddie urinal, and always sit at the back of the bus and get motion sickness......BUT YOU BETTER NOT FUCKING THROW UP ON ME BOY!
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How many big budget Hollywood films are made each year? Hmmm? How many? 100 from the studios if you are lucky. How many feature young kids in starring roles? How many fucking child actors are there in Hollywood (or actors period) who would want a chance at a break through performance? And yes, the Karate Kid is a breakout performance - you get that, you might get some name recognition which means you might be cast in future movies. It is a life/career changing opportunity for someone - but that was before Will Smith pencilled in his son's name.
And why wouldn't I put the onus on Will Smith? I put it on everyone, be it Clint Eastwood (for casting his daughters) to Coppola. The reason I am talking about it here is because this is the Fucking Karate Kid TB where WIll Smith is producing the movie starring his kid. I'm not bitching about it in the Avatar Tb because it wouldn't be relevant there. -
well paced, to the point, complete with a nice BAM at the finish worthy of framing. If I had to guess, on any given day you get a nice view of the hills from the office you work in.
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You're the owner of a football team. You draft your kid and force the coaching staff to start him, even if he isn't the best player for the position, denying someone who has busted his ass his entire life to try and make it. Is that ethical?
And yes, I know fans will stay away because they'll be pissed off, so it never would happen. But maybe if people did that to nepotism in the real world it wouldn't be so prevalent. -
Uhhh, excuse me, but I think this stop bein' bout Will Smith a long time ago. The topic segued into raced based nepotism. Will Smith, just so happened to be used as an example. I just took exception to you mentioning slums/ghettos/struggles and Will Smith in the same context as if his being black was synonymous with the former. It comes off as condescending in that "BIG BWANA" sorta' like way.
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You basically brought up the race issue and said that nepotism was just a cover for it. I never once brought up Ghettoes, slums or struggles until you brought that up by saying, I quote "you accusing Will Smith of nepotism is not only comical, but in your pseudo-liberal backhanded (I'M NOT RACIST) way, is just saying/asking: "WHO DOES THIS NIGGA THINK HE IS?" - HOW DARE HE (WILL SMITH) TAKE OUR TIME-HONORED TRADITION OF RACIST EXCLUSIONISM, WHILE CASTING THE LEADS IN HIS PRODUCTIONS, AND USE IT TO HIS ADVANTAGE!" - You mutha' fuckas' slay me with your bullshit and your skewed idea of the status quo."
And I never mentioned it as race based nepotism. I said that it is wrong for him to do it regardless of his race or how white people have done it in the past. But race isn't the issue, the nepotism has always been the issue with me.
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That's all well and good, but it doesn't negate the fact that dispite the politics of "WHITE" nepotism, they are still casting white actors whose under-performance, box office-wise doesn't justify their continued participation in the Hollywood casting machine...So if you're saying their decisions are based on profit and racial demographics, then it would appear their business model is doomed to fail, cuz their customer base (the white masses) are not buying it anymore.
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That was in context to you saying that now he has made it he should be just as nepotistic as the whites who ran Hollywood all those years. My point was what good is that going to do? It doesn't help black people to have one nepotistic actor there helping only his son - everyone else is excluded. No matter what race, but black people are hurt the most because they have the least numbers to help their kids - if only there kids are helped, the numbers don't really change does it?
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Excuse me, but through his Overbrook production company, he has hired many blacks and produced some black oriented tv shows. Your continued criticism of one isolated incident nepotism rings false in my book.
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using my OWN money and pay the coach and the rest of the crew with MY money,they know from the start that i pay them to follow MY orders,and all this to make my kid a star player,yes it is ethical.Do these action cause the slightest harm to anyone else? do i steal money from someone else? do i kill someone? do i hurt someone? NO, so it is ethical,just like it is ethical what i did to my example.
If someone wants to get a chance for a career,then there are a lot of other movies,where they can try their luck there.Smith didnt say to the other producers dont take unknown actors for your leads in your OWN movies,take my kid.What he does,he does it to his OWN movie with his OWN money.clear? -
— the business model has to follow the demographic not the other way around and that requires risk and investment. It requires acceptance of competition from other forms of entertainment. It requires vision. What is needed is a 21st Century film executive who is in sync with the rapidly changing tools, toys and demands of the demographic; someone that can intuit the market and build a hybrid paradigm that effectively serves the audience. But the difficulties are immense.An aside: are you suggesting that by "…casting white actors whose under-performance, box office-wise doesn't justify their continued participation in the Hollywood casting machine…" isn't profit driven? The point is that any of those performers could have a break out hit. It COULD happen. That's what they're banking on, because the level of investment (agents, lawyers, accountants, insurance) on those actors is steep, but one hit could pay off. Wouldn't you work with the 'devil you know'? Also, those actors don't have it made — they could lose their advantage as soon as the next big thing shows up and takes their fan base.
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and he can do whatever the fuck he wants with it.
Including casting his son in a movie, this is a waste of time. -
LOL! Well in some of these "WHITE" actors' cases, this "hold and hope" investment strategy you're so fond of is outdated.
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I never said Will Smith is a bad person or that he is evil. I even said I can understand why someone does nepotism - it is a natural instinct. But that doesn't make it right.
Like I said above, it is an unfair advantage to give his son a role in a big Hollywood movie just because he is his son. I would be fine if he just financed an independent movie for his son to get some write ups and experience - I would be oK with that - but despite looking stupid to us guys on the internet, Karate Kid is a big Hollywood production that will instantly get the star of that film notice. That is just to big of handout for me to accept. -
That is the investors money. And no there isn't that many movies. Especially big budget, major Hollywood releases (which this is). And if it was a football team it would be unethical. Why? Because you're son didn't earn his spot on the team (and there is only a few pro football teams).
Sorry, but just because you can afford it doesn't make it ethical. If that is the case, why don't we all just buy Indian children to be our sex slaves because their parents would probably be fine with selling them. The all mighty dollar isn't always right.
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is spot on. lmao. I know the majority of racists in this TB are feeling that.Continentalop brings up an interesting point about Will Smith engaging in nepotism when he should 'know better' because of his experiences making it from nothing. I agree and also disagree.I believe the Hollywood should be a meritocracy. It benefits the consumer and ups the quality, no doubt about it. The reality? I think it's a mix between meritocracy and aristocracy. And if you were in Will's position, would you really risk your money trying to 'correct' the system instead of getting yours?Think of this. Perhaps you can only change a huge problem like this from the inside, one step at a time. Will can do his stuff with Overbrook and hire black people, etc, but then do major budgets within his family. It ensures his financial stacking and protects his family. As long as he can do this, he can afford to fund lesser projects that give unknowns the chance to rise.I can't call it either way.Good discussion though.
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If we were talking about politics and how this would affect people, but its a stupid children's remake.
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"a case of nepotism this big drives menuts" **********************************
Uhhhh, we're talkin' bout a harmless remake of The Karate Kid, not Citizen Kane...And what if it does make Jaden a star? It's Hollywood, Drew Barrymore, Nick Cage, Gwenneth Paltrow, Candice Bergen, George Clooney, and a slew of other Hollywood offspring has benefited from nepotism. Why shouldn't Jaden reap the same rewards as his Hollywood predecessors? Sorry, but I feel your ire over this, rings false and (maybe on a subconscious level), race based. I've been visiting this site off and on for the past 5 or so years, and never have I read so much vitriol directed at something so trivial. -
Frome the start its sad cus in china they dont trust foreners and BLACK foreners thet dont even talk to them they just walk on by like thers nothing ther im not racists its just the thru
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Than you should track down my criticism of UP IN THE AIR because I have ripped into George Clooney and Jason Reitman. Personally, I think you're looking for it to appear as racism so you can just easily label me.
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Actually, Will Smith did not come from nothing. He was raised in a two parent/two income middle class home, and prior to his rap career taking off, he was accepted into M.I.T. Some of these tbers' has this mis-informed pre-conceived notion, Will Smith is some garden variety ghetto hoodrat "MAKES GOOD" Hollywood success story. He's far from that.
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Look, bruh, i'm not about to go and read your pasts comments/history on AICN's. I can only go on what I read on this particular thread and the previous thread related to this remake. Maybe, I did mistakenly mash up some of your comments with some of these "BROWN SHIRTS/Hitler Youth's" comments up in here, and for that I humbly apologize. I'm out, till next time. One Love, my nigga! Ciao!
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Jan 09, 2010 8:29:41 PM CST
Is this Karate Kid remake a Sony/Columbia film?
by keepfuckingthatchicken
If it is, then yea it is Nepotism. If not, then it is not. Will Smith is THE star for Columbia/Sony Pictures....(goes to look at the trailer)...ooooo it is a Sony film. LOL
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Take off your pants and jacket?
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No, I'm not "fond" of the strategy. I'm commenting on how it seems to work…
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But I hate Scientology more. And in Will Smith's case, we've got both. involved.
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...looks "f**king awful"... those are the only words that come to mind.
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Couldn't they have found a better looking love interest? (I know they are really young but still, that's fucking ugly)
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In the trailer Jackie looks old and bored. Fuck this pile of shit.
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did the scene first (ala Fresh Prince) and then has Jaden do it exactly like he did? Seriously. Watch the trailer again and then imagine Fresh Prince.
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and don't worry about it trashing an original classic because the original was nothing more than an expansion on an old comic book ad for a 100lb weakling on the beach who gets sand kicked in his face and then returns later to SOCK the bully and win the girl.
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Jan 10, 2010 12:20:38 AM CST
Assholelives, you goat raping, shit fucking, one legged Tranny
by hey_kobe_tell_me_how_my_ass_tastes
You piece of, molested Portuguese sewage! Fuck you, you racist cunt! You bitch swine shit eating son of crack whore goat fucker! You really want to fuck with me? Oh fuck yeah you, twisted piece of regurgitated sheep vomit. Yeah, I called you a racist bitch, you got something to say shit lips?
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Damn, my dude, you put it down today. It's about time somebody put some of these racist ass peckerwoods in their place. I had to put them on blast on two weeks ago on that earlier Karate Kid post. Way to represent!
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Dude, you need to stop playing the GOOD NEGRO. Most of these asswipes insulted this kid because he's black and he's playing one of their great white 80's icons. Trust, they pattin' you on your head because of your rebuke of Amadeo's comments, was nuthin' more than them sayin' "YOU'RE ONE OF THE GOOD ONES", all the while spewin' a bunch KKK-like insults at that young brother, Jaden. Wake up, Brotha' and take a stand!
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Smith didn't shoehorn his kid in a film. Some ass-sucking suit snuggled up to Smiths "Big Willie" and was like, "You know what would be really cute? How bout if we put your son in there with you? Then the two of your can have oodles of quality time and then maybe someday you'll remember what a great licking I gave your asshole." Once again you have all missed the point that Hollywood is a soulless self-serving cunt that knows no shame.All this over a shitty Karate Kid remake. Get a fucking grip people.
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Fuck you, bigot.
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It is a big Hollywood production one of maybe only 50 the major studios do a year. And people who work on it get jobs - J-O-B-S - that pay them money, including the kid actors. So to just say this is only the Karate Kid and no big deal is misleading and wrong. It is a huge deal for whomever gets the part.
So maybe you should think about the fact that we are talking careers and life changing events here, and not some dumb movie about a kid learning to wax on, wax off. Hundreds of thousands of dollars are at stake and peoples careers could be made. Think about that. -
Jan 10, 2010 3:01:58 AM CST
So you're saying the black kid is taking a white kids job?
by rene_belloq_12inch_figure
LMAO.
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recast Ralph Macchio and Zombie Pat Morita.
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Jan 10, 2010 3:05:20 AM CST
Zombie Pat Morita can Catch Flies with his Chopsticks
by rene_belloq_12inch_figure
buzzing around his corpse.
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Jan 10, 2010 3:11:14 AM CST
Zombie Pat Morita would have horrible zombie reflexes.
by rene_belloq_12inch_figure
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Jan 10, 2010 3:11:36 AM CST
But would eat the brains of Cobra Kai instructor.
by rene_belloq_12inch_figure
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When Pat Morita first saves Daniel that was always my favorite. Throws that kid to the ground and finishes him off with a nutcracker. Bad Ass.
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Not just melodramatic fantastical historical/folklore things - Morita played that role deadly serious, despite playing silly in other roles. I've only ever seen the clown or lighthearted actioner from Jackie (which is fine, but...) Though I'm familiar with the breadth of his work.
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so says the lyrics of the song in the trailer.
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Nepotism, not race, nepotism. Focus, people, focus.And i do think this blatant case of nepotism will hurt Will smith in the future. If the movie fails at the box office, or even if it suceeds, it will fuel more his enemies. So that if in the future his star falls, they will gangbang on him with ferocity. and they will throw the nepotism stuff he did. Remember how peopel gangbanged on coppola for his casting of Sofia Coppola in Godfather 3? It was public humiliation. This too will happen to Will Smith. In fact, allt his him pushing his son to be a movie star reeks of compelte hubris. Will smith no longer remebers how it was to be a struggling young actor who was born in lesser then favorable conditions. He's now royalty. And he's now giving his prince a bit of kindgom to play at being king. This is dynasty building, but of the most blatant shal«meless type. Even Michael Douglas had to prove and merit his worth before he hit big, his dad's name an hindrance rather then an help. Sofia Coppola gave up acting and became a photogrpaher and a writer/director to leave her father's shadow and her public humiliation. Nicholas Cage needed to made movies outside of his uncle's realm so he could prove himself as his own man, to the point he even shoved a professional name that is different then his own real name (his real name is Nicholas Coppola). Duncan Jones, son of David Bowie, not only changed his name (birthname: Zowie Bowie) but it took him 20 years to finally get him to a place he could make a movie, and find independent financing outside of his dad's influence for his first movie. And before, he made a name for himself as an advert director. While being known as Duncan Jones. Bryce Dallas Howard earned her stardoom because she left her father sshadow and worked her way to show she has talent, she didn't made a career in acting important role sin her dad's movies, she went her own way, stayed away rom his realm of influence, and worked her way into a respected actress away from home, in theater and small independent arthouse movies.The point is that there are many talented people children of talented people. But each of them had to actually proved themsevles their worth outside of their famous parent's shadow. And this is not happening with Jaden Smith. Jaden Smith is being given stardoom on a silver plate. And worst, all this is done without any sense. It's flaunting. It's a slap inthe face for everybody who has worked and busted their asses in their way to reach some modicum of sucess. Jaden Smith's nepotism is indeed very insulting.This is beyond just a dad helping his son. Way beyond that! This is dynasty building. This is the acts of royalty who don't even know what the hoi polloi looks like anymore. This is complete despise and disrespect, and not being affraid or ashamed to show it off. And it's this shamelessness that insults me to the very core of my being.
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Most people are fine with Will casting his son in a movie. And most people would prefer the title The Kung Fu Kid. I do see Continentalop's pov re nepotism and agree it's something to be aware of, but I (or most others) don't see it as an actual problem for anyone. At least anyone involved with the film. As a matter of fact, because Will got this movie going several other chld actors are working and are about to get their big break. Jaden has to battle somebody, doesn't he? How memorable would Luke Skywalker have been without Darth Vader? Who impressed you the most in AVatar? It's not the hero who gets to say memorable things like "Sweep the leg!" What did Ralph ever do that was memorable? The movie will make a lot of cash, Jaden will slowly get his career, but the surprise will be someone new is discovered. If they can last is another thing to be seen. Maybe not here, but maybe in Asia.
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Seriously. Yeah, sure other people will be working, but do you honestly believe this movie couldn't be made WITHOUT Jaden?He isn't a draw; if he was they wouldn't need to stick him in a remake.
And my question to you guys is why do I have to prove what Will Smith did is wrong? Nepotism is wrong. That's a fact. It is something we look down upon if government officials do; we look down upon the concept of inherited titles and aristocrocy here in America. I mean, if we are just going to say talent and ability mean nothing and that you get your position in life based exclusively on who your parents are, why the fuck don't we just install a caste system. -
Who types LMAO other than a retarded 13-year old girl on facebook?
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—this isn't an 'us' versus 'them' debate. Initially we were talking about the term "niggah" (sic) which was idiotically applied to Jaden Smith, then the debate shifted to nepotism. That's the context — not responding to the trolls spewing racist insults to gain attention.I've got a problem with nepotism when it interferes with the outcome of a movie — Sofia Coppola in "Godfather 3" comes to mind — but, I also think that much of the hostility for this movie comes from the 'remake' factor.Continentalop was being accused of ulterior motives when it's OBVIOUS that he was offended by the 'race-based' joke. AsimovLives seemed offended when someone insinuated that he doesn't like Jaden Smith because of his race. Ominus was debating Conti on the value of nepotism. Dreadlock Holmes, Screwbini, symon and SirBiatch Returns went were challenging the root of some of the hostility towards Jaden and the racial bias suggested in a few of the posts.Note that none of these posts were focused on the trolls, nor did anyone take the bait. Hopefully if you engage in the discussion you won't either. Let's leave the one-dimensional'White/Black' debate to FoxNews.
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Justified is better than unjustified. Three people involved in the production have the last name Smith, there are probably no less than two hundred that don't. To say he isn't a draw is unfounded. He has won and/or been nominated for over half a dozen minor awards, inlcuding Phoenix Film Society Critics Awards (best performance by a youth), MTV awards and TEEN CHOICE awards, which means people do know who he is and liked what they saw. I don't agree with your statement "If he was (a star) they wouldn't need to stick him in a remake." The definition of a star can be it's own separate conversation, but I can confidently say that most remakes that come out feature very well known talent. And yes I use the term 'talent' loosely. I'm not asking you to prove what Will did is wrong. There will always be two sides to any line, it's not right or wrong. But if that's the context it's to be weighed in, I would say the pro outweighs the con. Simply put, more good is done than bad. Does the kid have talent? I don't know. I can't say for sure he does not. We've only seen the results of what he can do based on a script and a directors abilities to get what he can in a limited amount of time. And the director's opinion of what's satisfactory doesn't neccessarily have to please us or the kid for the matter. Maybe that's why Will wanted to take matters into his own hand and actually showcase what Jaden can do as opposed to trusting his son's image to something as one dimenstional as TDTESS again. I do believe you when you say Nepotism can be harmful, especially when it can govern society and have a direct impact on a massive amount of public. Jaden's position is harmless.
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His father's name was a hindrance? Are you out of your mind? He knew the agencies, the directors and producers, exactly how to enter into the field...if you don't think Kirk picked up the phone for little Mikey you have no idea at all how the world works. Be as jealous as you want, as angry as you want at nepotism, but don't dare think that this behavior is most egregious in the Smith household. That is flat ignorance or dishonesty.
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debating the value of nepotism…
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How do you go from what appears to be a definitely lower-lower-middle class lifestyle in De-troit to getting a plumb overseas gig in China? They don't low level send secretaries and fresh out of college engineers to work in China folks...these people would have already had to have been seasoned professionals and living an upper middle class lifestyle.
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Right. 12 year old girl assassin goes around killing bad guys is terrible/pedo/wrong, but 12 year old boy fighting and beating up others is somehow ok because he doesn't kill anyone? Give me a break. Talk about double standards based on sex. Last time I checked, the last Karate Kid was a girl. How did that go over? And who gives a fuck who produced this? Is Will Smith supposed to let his kid make his own way in Hollywood? Smith has enough clout, and his own production company to do what he wants. Besides if the movie flops, it flops because it wasn't a good movie. These claims of racism are absurd and pointless. Grow up you losers.
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sure this is nepotism...all Jaden wanted for Christmas was a G.I.Joe with a King Fu Grip and his dad instead bought him the rights to the Karate Kid movie.But this does indeed pale in comparison to Breck Eisner...a guy who has shown ZERO skill yet keeps having his name tossed around some potentially huge projects...and it is ONLY because his dad still has a huge amount of power in the business by way of his holdings.
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I'm bettin that a lower-lower middle class Dee-troiter, which is really an upper middle lower class Dee-troiter is the equivalent of an, upper lower middle upper class Chinese.
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Jan 10, 2010 11:22:26 AM CST
Nepotism - the sixth Marx brother who just wanted to dance
by dirk_the_amoeba
Chico,Groucho,Harpo,Gummo,Zeppo and Neppo the ballet dancer.
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Is that not blatant Nepotism? Is this an acceptable practice in the eyes of audiences around the world? Or is it okay in Avatar because...?
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I am a dog. This movie looks like what I dropped in the yard this morning. Then I ate it. https: //twitter .com/SammichtheDog
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...And how do you know about 13 year old girls on Face Book, you undercover liberal bigot/Pedo?
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Last thing I'll say about this..maybe. Film is considered to be an art form, just as music is. In music, we have many acts which are family acts and audiences like it. Why can't it be that way in film? It's primary goal is the same, entertainment. That being said, after reviewing the trailer again, I see too much of Jaden performing like a clone of the Fresh Prince of Bel Air character. Maybe Will thinks if it worked for him, it'll work for his son. It could backfire.
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JADEN TOOK ONE JOB! ONE JOB! HAHAHAHAHA, YEAH THEY HIRED A SMITH FOR THE KEY GRIP AND ITS ALL SMITHS, IN YOUR WORLD ITS ALL CLONES OF WILL SMITH WORKING IN THE MOVIE SET, CATERING AND SHIT. LMAO.
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The fucktards win. I can't match their "wit", their intelligent "arguments", nor their fucking repugnant nature.
Hope you two racist have fun together.
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Jan 10, 2010 1:19:45 PM CST
Continenatlop - You fought a good fight. - Rene Blowcoc
by liberal_warrior
You inbred, ass fukked, plastic toy raping, couch shitting, depends wearing, piece of twice fukked monkey shit! You have pissed me off. Bring it.
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Yeah, if you consider belly aching over one perceived act of nepotism by a black man in an infinite sea of nepotism perpetrated by whites since Hollywoods inception. You liberal bigots and your propensity to rationalize bullshit staggers the mind.
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i would like to see then, the reaction of those who claim that what Smith did was unethical.
regardless, all this conversation is for nothing,because at the end what matters is the actor's (talent doesnt matter) appeal to the average audience which is the ultimate judge.If the audience likes Jaden then he will become a star,if not,then no matter how much money is Will going to spend,his kid will never become a superstar.But who knows maybe he becomes a good director like Sophia Coppola,why not? -
he looked to me deadly serious in the trailer,as he should be.the real problem is if they are going to give us a dramatic scene with Miyagi,like in the original one.I am afraid that Chan is going to fuck up such scene.
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You motarded diseased zebra fukker. You want to stick your ass licker into this fight? Then bring it you pus licking piece of dead camel shit. Continentalop was wrong about the nepotism, but he was right about the racism and that is why I am in this fight. Bring it.
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What is there to debate, trailer park? I think I made it, along with Amadeo, that racism was always the underlying motive of most of these (as Amadeo so eloquently put) Hitler Youth's racist attacks on an 11 year old chile who just so happened to be black and the son of the biggest movie star to date. As Amadeo said to Conti, "SPARE ME THE FALSE MORAL OUTRAGE". It's insulting.
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Do you really think anyone believes your 'Black act?' If you are really against the racism, fine. But shut the fuk up and stay out of my way when I and others attack the racists instead of trying to buy them cover. Otherwise you will get fukked up the ass by a black rhino.
If you still want to rock and roll with me, then bring it.
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LOL! What is it with you nerd basement dwellers? I mean it's one thing to hide behind a keyboard and computer screen and type colorful adjectives, but y'all's unhealthy homo-erotic obsession with anal rape is rather disturbing.
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Decided to drop the 'Black act' huh? Well you can swing on my nuts. You pony fukker.
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So are you implyin' that black folk are incapable of articulatin' in the Queen's English? LOL! Like I and Amadeo said earlier: LIBERAL BIGOTS!
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I am sayin only dumb-ass peckerwoods tryin to 'act Black' use expressions like 'black folk' when they are trying to prove their 'blackness'. You stupid goat-dick licking smack.
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You see, there you Liberal Bigots go again, tryin' to put us "BLACK FOLK" into a box in order to define us with your narrow minded criteria. I guess you feel BlackIndigo is also a peckerwood disguised as black also? You liberal bigots are so predictable.
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Is the ring around your ass after you were gang-raped by a pack of drooling, diseased, macaques.
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There's that unhealthy homo-erotic obsession with anal rape again. Are by chance goin' through some sort of latent homosexual panic?
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It looks like a passable movie with Jackie Chan being a lot more serious than usual. But the title "Karate Kid" is atrocious. They need to change it. This is the kind of movie my 7 year old nephew would like, but I would need to explain to him that usually you would be learning Kung Fu in China, and not Karate. Dumb Ass Hollywood.
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There we go need to level the playing field here.
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That's an unhealthy obsession you have with trying to be 'Black', are you really so insecure that you come on anonymous sites and pretend to be what you are not because you need fellow shut in, friendless, racist ass licks to think you are one of the 'cool kids'?Tell you what, just go to the local zoo - you know, that place were you had your first and only sexual encounter -were you snuck into the vet's surgery, and had a quickie with the drugged-out, diseased lemur that was about to be put down? Just go back there and find the Black Rhino enclosure, and bend over.
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You aint funny, aint original and in no way do you have the chops to hang in a flame battle, best you go suck a dead zebra dick and cry yourself to sleep.
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...And what academic background and cedentials do you have to determine my actual ethnicity, Trailer Park? I tell ya', you liberal bigots and your typical "WHITE MALE" superior complex, always rears it ugly head when you least expect it, eh?
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And you can have the run of this board: Where the fuck do I ONLY criticize Will Smith for nepotism? This is the Karate Kid TB, that is why I am bringing up here and complaining about Will Smith committing nepotism here in this TB, but I have railed against a lot of WHITE people's nepotism before, and I actually bring it up here in this TB before the racism label was ever thrown out by you if you were interested enough to look. Did you check to see what I wrote earlier? Fuck no, it is just to easy to throw out the term racist because you're full of shit.
So, you are calling me a racist, for statements regarding nepotism in a KARATE KID TB because Will Smith has cast his kid in a big budget Hollywood film, without checking out if I have been consistent about criticizing nepotism in Hollywood by WHITE performers and stars. That, my friend, is just fucking making up facts and misrepresenting someone. In short, fucking lying.
And on top of all this, after accusing me of being a racist with a racist agenda against Will Smith (despite fucking countless evidence to the contrary) you then throw out an intentionally racist and derogatory remark like Peckerwood at me and others. That makes you a hypocrite.
So let me ask you this, who the fuck is the racist on this TB? Hmmm. Let me give you a hint - go look in the mirror.
You wanna argue against my charges of nepotism and offer a counter argument like ominus is doing, fine, but you wanna make shit up and start labeling people as closeted bigots, than I'm calling out your shit and pointing out the only two obvious bigots on this TB are you and Rene_Belcoq (nice partner you pick).
So I'm waiting for you to apologize for calling me a racist and for throwing out a racist slur at me, but I doubt that will happen. You are only on this TB to get attention and stir up trouble, and the easiest way to do that is just throw out the racist label and to get a chance to insult another group with racist slurs in hopes they'll sink to you're level. Well, not going to happen.
Oh, and I expect you to come back with some sort of witty insult and try to flip it around and say this is evidence I am a liberal bigot. But that doesn't change the simple fact - you are in the wrong and you know it. Or that people can just go back and look at these TB and see what we each wrote. The post above prove who's telling the truth.
So I am actually giving you a chance - keep being a dick who just uses the racist argument because he doesn't have any facts to back his side up and because it gives him an excuse to practice his own prejudice and racism, or look at what you wrote, see that you were completely out of line and be a fucking man and apologize. I doubt it will happen though, because saving face is always more important that admitting what the fucking truth is, isn't it? -
You're lucky Amadeo Zeller isn't here. He'd probably rip you a new one if you dared to question his blackness. Me, I find you amusin'.
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the final conversation between two people in a bar that drank until sunrise.
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I wanted to say it was good conversation with you. Although I didn't see everything as you did, you brought to light the dangers of nepotism for what is and could be. Nothing racist ever came from you.
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Jan 10, 2010 3:33:19 PM CST
No one on these boards is capable of doing that glodene
by liberal_warrior
No one. But all are welcome to try. Bring It.
And glodene, you are fukken motarded fake ass, posing goat stropper. Gotta try and call in re-reinforcements because your pencil dicked, non talented ass can't even say one funny insult? Bring whoever you like. It wont matter. I'm the Warrior asshole, you must be new around here. -
If it makes you feel better, you're not a racist, but a clueless liberal bigot...All better now, sweetie?
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You're not man enough to admit you are wrong and admit you said a racist comment, and all you have is the racist card. Better to look "cool" than be in the right.
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"Sigh" Okay, Libby, i'll sink to your level and speak fluent "ANALESE" - YOU FAGGOT MOTHER FUCKER, DO YOU KNOW WHO YOU BE FUCKIN' WITH, BITCH? I'LL BEND YOU OVER, AND STICK MY DICK SO FAR UP YO' ASS, YOU'LL BE BELCHIN' MY MAN CHOWDER FOR A MONTH, YOU FAGGOT ASS SPERM BURPER! - How was that, Libby?
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Don't you mean "READ" cool? Afterall, it's impossible for me or you to look cool while typin' behind a computer screen.
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You're making my points for me. You're a fraud and a bigot, or someone not man enough to admit he was wrong. It is as simple as that.
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That was the best you could do? Really, I'll just go back to the football game, while you try and think of something orogginal and funny. You goat shit diddling, dead armadillo fukken, rat dicked, homosexual, lisping wildebeast.
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Stop proving you are retard, we already got the message.
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Dude, seriously, why're you so dead set on seekin' an apology from an anonymous poster on a fanboy site? Do you honestly believe my apologizin' to you will in someway give you absolution and validation? - Nigga, you so need to get laid...And I don't mean spankin' your monkey to the latest Amy Reid porno or your rubber dolly packed away in your closet for those special occasions, but a real live breathin' flesh n' blood female, cuz you need some pussy in the worst way, dude. I've seen folks on here call you and others worst than "RACIST" Hell, on the other Karate Kid thread BSB suggested they retitle this movie "THE SAMBO KID", and here you is bitchin' n moanin' cuz I refuse to apologize for callin' you a "RACIST"? Perspective, Condi, Perspective! Now turn off your computer and go find you a bitch and get yo' dick wet, dawg!
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SAMBO is a Russian Martial Art. An acronym for the Russian words meaning "Self-Defense Without Weapons." It is related to Judo. You can look it up. Putin practices it, and so does Fedor Emelianenko. Everyone in that TB was throwing around obscure martial arts to be remade as the Karate Kid.
And just so you know, a Dyke is also a levee.
And I love how everyone's favorite insult is to insinuate that someone is a virgin or can't get laid. Sorry, but I come here for debates once in awhile about movies, because I like to do that, but I live a pretty full life. But it is pointless to defend yourself, because like you said we are just anonymous posters. But when you bring up the idea that the other party has to get laid it seems to be like your projecting more than a little...
As for an apology, why not? I'm the injured party. You called me a racist with no evidence. I don't expect one, and I can easily go on living without one, but like I said before people who are wrong apologize. That is what men do - admit when they were wrong. And yes, I have apologized in the past on these TBs many times (GI Joe TB being the last, I think). -
I wouldn't use that to bolster your argument glodene.I hate it when Talkbacks fall into the incomprehensible gibberish of the jackanapes. Let's get back to the good points, shan't we?
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— and the double entendre wasn't lost on me, but good Christ!Anyway, what did you think of Mamet's "Redbelt"?
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I'm a fan of MMA, so I saw it as someone who follows the sport throwing out an obscure martial art that some people practice. I honestly thought that the person didn't realize that they were using a term that has a double meaning, especially since the term sambo is pretty archaic now.
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I am ashamed to admit it, but I never did see Redbelt. And I'm an MMA fan AND a Mamet fan.
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Nigga please. Don't go and start actin' new up in here and pretend that BSB suggestin' SAMBO KID was anything but a racial slur directed at an 11 year old black kid. I refuse to apologize to a liberal bigot who's not only guilty of rationalizing bullshit, but also intellectual dishonesty. Fuck you, you asshole, full of shit, RACIST! As far as i'm concerned you and your sychophants are the embodiment of WRONG!
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"I admit, I could be wrong because I don't know who posted the comment. Maybe his intention was to be intentionally provocative. I don't know..."
Thanks for jumping the gun again and proving you're just as bad as all the other trolls.
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It's not perfect, but it's got some interesting bits. Chiwetel Ejiofor is great, but it also has Dan Inosanto (!), Randy Couture, Enson Inoue, Ray "Boom Boom" Mancini — it's like a love letter to contemporary Mixed Martial Arts with a heavy bias toward Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu.
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And you know it is going to have a heavy BJJ bias considering Mamet studies down in Torrence at the Gracie Academy.
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— I think contemporary Western martial arts movies have real challenge, they have to reconcile the philosophical elements and generally give a more grounded choreography unless they're going the way of "Ninja Assassin" and making a balls-to-wall outrageous fantasy.The question is, how do the filmmakers strike a balance and still make it accessible (practice their Horse stance for 4 hours a day — I kid… I kid…)? MMA fights are so intricate and intimate they aren't the most cinematic experiences. What's it like going into the ring against an opponent like Anderson Silva or Fedor Emelianenko? How do you depict the fighter searching for the perfect opening to get the arm bar and then getting the submission? How do you depict footwork and leverage? It's a real challenge…
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Judo Saga? I thought he did a pretty good job of depicting the chess match involved in a grappling fight.
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Damn. I need that fucking box set…
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— the fight scene in that film was intense — mostly because of the build up, but as usual Kurosawa does more with a camera and sound than any filmmaker I can think of.
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— "The Karate Kid" remake starring Ernie Reyes Jr. written and directed by Mamet.Did I really have that much Guinness last night?
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Jan 10, 2010 5:16:37 PM CST
To all the " this is why the rest of the world hates america"
by boogy110
Fuck you all (erichaislar) with your bullshit that we're so un educated and we're insulting the chinese culture by not knowing that Kung Fu is from china and Karate is from Japanese. Please get the fuck over yourself for knowing that little mindless tidbit of information.
Yes the U.S.A has it's fare share of uneducated monkeys, but so do the BRITS U.K and ALL of Europe,All of Asia, Africa mid east and the rest of the fucking globe.
Please we're insulting the chinese peoples culture, ..it's not fucking STUPID and an insult to the planet that the poachers are killing endangered Rhinoceros, just because China pays TOP REMNINBI CNY (that's dollar to us uneducated twits)because they think it's a potent aphrodesiac???? Hell no, fuck you all!!!
Fuck you to all the America is sooooooo uneducated fuckwads. And to all my fellow U.S of mother fucking A brothers out there whos family or themselves have migrated from allover the globe to come live in the land of "uneducated twits" Take a mother fucking stand to these fuckers and give a good ol red white and blue FUCK YOU!!!!!!!!!! -
Again, the title "Karate Kid" is only wrong if it relates to what he is learning from Jackie Chan. If, instead, it is used in context as a semi-insult, like "you've been studying wing chun for months, but when you fight, you're still just a 'karate kid'" relating to what he studied BEFORE he arrived in China (say, a green belt at some strip-mall dojo), the mindset and techniques he has to UNLEARN to learn Wu Shu, then it is actually a clever play on the original title.
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Nawww, nucca, sounds like you had too much UNKKKLE TOM Beer last night.
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Very good point… Didn't Daniel-san study Karate at the "YMCA" in the original movie?
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Yeah, you right, bitch. That's what we need, is more melanin-challenged images on the screen, cuz WHITE is RIGHT and black should always be out of sight.
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The problem with the MMA movies of late is there is such a boon to get the movies pumped out as fast as McBurgers to make a fast buck, they don't really care about serving up something with integrity. And, like you indicated, they don't know how to cover it. For the most part, they just get name MMA fighters and choreograph them fighting in street scenarios with the same old dumb shit and a couple of choke holds thrown in for photo ops. They don't realize that makes about as much sense as making a movie starring famous boxers and not include a boxing ring. Then the movies that do try and use a cage, can not use an octogon and seems they must have the obligatory ugly chicks on the arms of foreigners gambling at some private contest. When the do get to shooting the actual fighting, it looks rehearsed compared to actual fighting so it's a failure.
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in lower case? Damn brah — self-hate that much? Too bad, my dude, that just kills my heart.
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— but, I thought Michael Mann did something interesting in "Ali" when he put the pov shots to suggest how fast and vicious the action is inside the ring. At first it seemed awkward, but the more I watched it the better it worked.
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Nope, just mirrorin' your sentiments in replacin' Jaden with another non-black actor, Tom-ass nucca.
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— It's called speculation, my bad you must be new here. Okay, this is a kid's movie, right? So my joke is about Mamet directing a kids movie with a seasoned martial artist like Ernie Reyes Jr (remember him as the li'l kid in "The Last Dragon"?). Suddenly it wouldn't be a kids movie, but in Mamet's style it would examine the socio-political subtext, ideas of masculinity and honour AND describe the racial dynamics of—…Waitaminute, why am I explaining this to someone who burns their toast in the morning so it'll be 'Black'?
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They forget they are typing not talking. Typing in idiom is completely different than speaking in it.
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I TOTALLY STEERED THE TALKBACK FROM PEOPLE THINKING I'M A RACIST FOR SAYING NIGGAH TO PEOPLE THINKING YOU GUYS ARE THE RACISTS.
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Then hows this for speculatin', Tom-ass nucca, Michael Jai White (remember him from Spawn or Dark Knight?) He's a seasoned Martial Artist who just so happens to be black...waitaminute, why am I explainin' this to someone prefers their chocolate white, just like everything else.
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Must've missed that. I'll ask him the next time I ask him to sign something for me…
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— 'how about having Michael Jai White as his instructor?' But, would he be as big of a box office draw as Jackie Chan? Probably not. Keep trying though —
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You said it wasn't gonna be kid movie anymore, Tom-ass nucca...Sides', why be so anal, afterall, Ralph Macchio wasn't a seasoned martial artist, but yo' Tom-ass, along with your wounded white racist brethren didn't seem to have a problem him playin' the Karate Kid, but all of a sudden when someone black comes into the picture, not only does it become an issue of should it be "KUNG FU" or "KARATE", but the actor should also be a "SEASONED" martial Artist. - So in closin: FUCK YOU, YOU TOM-ASS NUCCA!
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Ignoring the past history of Hollywood acting families since the dawn of film passing along their influence and talent, ignoring the family business being passed along since the caveman gave his son a big stick and showed him how to beat the prehistoric poop out of a mountain goat. Ignoring all of that - I ask again, how many movies are produced in Hollywood with a Black star? And for those decrying Smith's so-called nepotism, is it really such a huge dip into the bucket roles doled out each year in Hollywood to non-Black or minority actors (that would be White actors for the slow reading types). How many leading roles at do Blacks or any minority get, so that people have to bitch and moan about one role going to a Black kid?
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Okay he is not dead, but does the studio think that people from my generation are going to drag their kids to this movie? If my kid wanted to see this movie I would sweep his leg and make him watch the Original. I like the shot of the girl playing Violin, they also should show her doing a hard math problem.
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Yeah, cuz it would be more palatable and realistic to see an awkward Italian American WASP play the Karate Kid, than a black kid, huh? You're so put-off by it, you've just intimated that you would inflict physical violence on your kid if he/she even entertained the thought of wantin' to go see this remake...Nawwwww, it ain't about a race, it's about tolerance and personal choice, eh? Is it 2010 or 1910? I forget which.
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— 1.) The overall disillusionment of the recent 'remake' craze.2.) The biases of nepotism and the inherent suspicion when applied to a Black superstar (To some posters it's apparently more problematic because of Smith's race).3.) The illusion that any society is truly a meritocracy.Like I wrote before, nepotism only bothers me if it detracts from the film itself. Vanity projects aren't inherently unethical, but as a film goer I'd like not to have the narrative illusion smashed because of a lackluster performance or inadequate direction.Which brings me to Jaden Smith. The amount of critical acclaim he got for "The Pursuit of Happiness" was quite strong; he definitely has potential. This film will test if he has the chops to carry a movie and he has something to prove. Even in a film geared for kids. Now, does it feel like a grabbing for stardom? To be fair, it does. Does that mean he's incapable? Not at all. I don't know the tone the filmmakers are going for and I don't know how demanding his emotional range must be for the movie. But, the film will probably sink or swim based on his charm.
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Jan 10, 2010 7:15:25 PM CST
If there isnt karate, dont name it karate. Shit isnt complicated
by saen
If there isnt karate, dont name it karate. Shit isnt complicated!
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in the other talkback.
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hurt your feelings so I checked myself. You owe me an apology.
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I am happy to hear that.
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BringingRacialSensitivityBack. Because I'm all about racial harmony.
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Ya. This talkback done gone through the rabbit hole alright.
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— I think glodene went to burn some more toast — his inferiority complex needs attending to.
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Glodene, you are one mixed up kid. The Mixed-Up Kid. That's you.
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How many Black Superstars are there in Hollywood that people would bitterly complain when one of the very few attempts to help his child out in a business that is predominantly White? I do understand the remake backlash - up to a point, but I think the underlying point in this remake has less to do with Smithism than with another -ism.
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I think Glo's plain out of his mind. I can't even believe what I'm reading here!
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is so fucking unattractive. I'm not talking sexual attraction because that's messed up since they are so young. But I'm just saying, get the fucking camera off of her face please. I don't believe Will Smith's son will be fighting over her.
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It was a joke. I don't have kids nor would I cause them harm if they wanted to see this movie. Did you see Karate Kid? It shouldn't make any difference who plays the Karate Kid from seeing the preview it looks like a hack job that won't do the original justice. Karate Kid should not be remade. Also Understand what a WASP is before you use it
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I agree, it IS in various shades. I stated before that Will Smith is primarily judged by his 'persona' NOT his abilities/achievements. In some comments (not all) that is an undeniable sentiment — and I'm not talking about the trolls here.But, it IS more complex because the main fact is — Hollywood has never had a star like Will Smith; he is the first Hip Hop superstar to reach across the mainstream — That's no small feat. So, the baggage that comes along with it is applied directly to him. And, it's a generational issue to boot; younger people are much less tolerant of 'nepotism' than the older generation where it was considered the norm.The racial angle has another element especially when you look at Will Smith's film output; he's done a number of SF/Fantasy films and after the failure of "Wild, Wild, West," he's accused of decimating classics like "I, Robot" and "I Am Legend". Do yourself a favour and look at the TB responses to those films. The amount of racial catcalling and posturing about how Will Smith (now representing the entity of "Hollywood") is 'destroying' these cherished treasures is revealing. That sentiment is echoed in this discussion, having been sparked by idiotic race based insults about his son's leading debut. So there are a number of forces up to and including the honest reaction of the trailer, the idea of remaking a 'classic' and Jaden's debut lead performance.
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Could've stemmed from whether Ralph's character was full Italian. The actress who played his mom didn't look Italian, hence half Italian, half white. Whose to say, though?
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was posted by some fucktard called Hawaii30 (something or other), and was posted right below BSB's comment. I think Glodene just got it mixed up in part, due to the time lapse of recalling something that was read over two weeks ago, and letting his emotions and anger getting the better of him. - Hey, it happens.
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and should stop texting his mum about comparing his father's penis size…
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My bad, I apologize, motha fucka. Just don't rake me over the coals like you do with Anchrorite. LOL!
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sentiments, I don't need you to be my apologist. I'll own up to my fuck ups.
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I just didn't want you commit sepuku(sp) out of embarassment for mistakenly accusing my man BSB of something he didn't type, that's all. One Love, bruh.
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Jacket off, jacket on,,,,, wtf
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Group hug y'all.
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unless your a mod then you are white.I like how Liberal_Warrior tried to turn this TB into Yo Mama/Bring it! EPIC FAIL!!
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Because I'm waiting for my apology. Of course, you don't really apologize to someone unless he's the correct skin color or if it will force you to recant your racist statements or views.
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From what I've read and heard, "karate kid" is used as an insult by the Chinese kids who beat up Jaden. His character knows karate (how much he knows, I'm not sure), but that does seem to be the movie's starting point. So in this sense they will be able to get away with keeping "Karate Kid" as the title (and they will probably just change it to "Kung Fu Kid" anyway for the release in China).
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or call it a day?600 posts on racism is a little much
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— would make sense. I HOPE that's the case. I don't see that in the trailer, but, if that's what they're going for then it works.
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He seems to be in good shape but he is too small. He is going to have to fight much bigger kids and it will look weird.
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Back in October on his blog he refers to it as "Kung Fu Kid."http://tinyurl.com/ylamg2u
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is the Kung Fu kid,but here in USA the title is the karate kid,for obvious reasons.
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it should be called The Kung Fu kid. The name should only be of the type of martial art the kid learns. Done.
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How old is Jaden Smith? He looks 8. Setting it in China with a boy that young destroys the whole "Coming of Age in America" aspect, too. I like Jackie Chan, but this has "turkey" written all over it. I don't see nostalgia for the first one leading to a huge box office on this one, as it basically just throws out all that people loved about the original. The studios only want to market the names of the 80s, not what made them appealing.
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Jan 11, 2010 5:15:04 AM CST
Jaden Smith could win an Oscar, but the movie still looks awful.
by jsarnold513
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Jan 11, 2010 5:16:15 AM CST
Seriously, who is actually going to go see this and come away ha
by jsarnold513
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Jan 11, 2010 5:20:40 AM CST
Let's focus on what matters: the suckiness of this movie!
by jsarnold513
Seriously... word of mouth, reviews, and nostalgia are all big selling points. If the movie fails on all 3 fronts, as this seems set to do, who will watch it? As someone who grew up in the 80s, I actually like how remakes and revivals introduce kids today to what I loved at their age, but God this looks like a soulless attempt to cash in on a beloved film of my childhood!
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or is it just cool?
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this actually looks completely watchable. You all talk about how butthurt you are because of how they don't do your kind of movies any more, bawww, but then when they come out with a total 80s throwback-looking movie with sports montage and get-the-girl ending, you get even bawwwwwier. You know what I wan do? I wan erase your memory and then show you a trailer for the original KARATE KID so you can go "What's this shit? Kid looks dumb. Movie looks dumb. No see!"
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the "jacket off" thing is meant to be slightly dirty. "Jack-et-off." And the other thing is that I'm a black woman and I don't think this looks racist.
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Jan 11, 2010 8:40:05 AM CST
The problem for most is race but it's easier to use Will Smith..
by the founder
son as the reason to hate the movie and attack the kid. Does anyone that has been defending Jaden Smith think if it was another black kid these people wouldn't be complaininbg? Nope it'll be the same, but the black refernces will be more in your face because they don't have an excuse to use like the Smith name. I've been on this site to long to not see through this crap.
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That would be stupid. People still reference BLINK 182 "Take off your pants and jacket", which was intentional. Jackie Chan is teaching the kid to fight. Do you seriously think Will Smith or his wife are going put out a movie with some guy telling his son to jack off? Get your head out of the gutter. p.s. My wife is black and she agrees with me.
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The studio execs reocgnize, as does everuyone else, what a winning formula/experience the original Karate Kid was. The follow sequels have been exhausted and paled in comparison. The idea of updating the original story could only succeed if they could increase the drama. If Ralph felt like an outsider going from Brooklyn to LA, imagine how the new kid feels going to China. Thanks to the internet, the world is a lot smaller today than it was when the original came out. Kids today are online with friends around the globe doing battle online everyday. If you've never been to a place where you are a minority and must learn to sink or swim, you might learn more from this movie than how to pick up your jacket.
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In the word of Michael Caine in BATMAN BEGINS: "Never!!"
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"When i'll ever care about this movie?"
...And yet, like the town cryer, you're on here everyday reminding everone how much you don't care about this "KID" movie.
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... but the nepotism behind it upsets me to no end.
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Way to come up with something completely unsubstantiated and false. First off, maybe you read my earlier post before throwing out such a stupid statement. I name dropped a number of other celebrities who are guilty of nepotism, none of them black.
I'm not saying there isn't racist on this site - oh fuck yeah there is - but to say that every person who doesn't side 100% with a black actor is a bigot is absolute bullshit. Sorry, I'm not a racist (not saying I've never had a racist thought, because anyone who says that is fulll of shit) but I am seeing more evidence of bigotry coming from the Will Smith supporters (especially when you add Rene and glodene to that mix) than I from a lot critics of Smith's nepotism. -
that I found it totally disheartening to see you, of all good people, accused of racism. I hope Glodene re-reads your posts and sees you for who you really are. There's quite a bit of misunderstanding here and that's unfair, especially that directed at you and Blak the Nucca.
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He is a Robinist. Loves him some Robin and Batman. Now, as to the nepotism charge - using my best Trevor Howard voice (and if you don't know the reference tsk tsk) he is 'Guilty!'.
Like I posted yesterday, there are precious few Black Superstars, so having one of thise very few practice nepotism in an industry that is predominantly White, where leading roles for men and women and children go to predominantly White actotrs, does not bther me in the tiniest bit. If Smith can not use his clot to get one measely extar role for a Black actor - especially his own child in an industry that has thrived on doing the same for family members since it's inception, then he does not deserve to be called the worlds biggest star. I have a great deal of respect for the Operator of the Continent, but in this case I think he needs to re-evaluate just why he is opposed. One little role for a Black actor, in a roiling sea of White actors will make little difference and the nepotism charge is truly a piffle. I have very little respect for people who use nepotism as a cover for their racism though. I am looking at you undead writer of the foundation series. -
Jan 11, 2010 12:57:44 PM CST
Does anybody seriously think there is hardcore racism here?
by jsscript2007
I don't. I see failed attempt at humor. I see ignorance. I see people willing to burn a racist remark at the stake. I see a bunch of movie loving freaks who care more about movies from any where in the world, starring anybody from any race or planet. I do see misery loving company and people knowing how to push someone elses buttons, because they can get away with it. Seeing movies is one of the most multi-cultural experiences going. The fact that this site is not unlike the lobby of an unbuilt theater unites us.
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... is racism. Only a racist would see everything in terms of racism. Racism is not just the propriety of the whites. To pull the race card in defense of Will Smith is inseft an actor of racism. I'm sure even Will Smith would be appalled at that.
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Yup. This is AICN. Every form of 'ism' and 'ality' is practiced around these here parts.
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Jan 11, 2010 1:30:55 PM CST
Asi -Using a racially insensitive remark to describe a child
by dirk_the_amoeba
Who has done nothing but have the 'fortune/misfortune' to be born into the a wealthy family of actors - really is not racist, is it? Especially when you can suggest that Blacks themselves often use the same word amongst themselves. No, you are not being in the least bit racist or racially insensitive, because you would use similar racially offensive words if it was a Little Jewish child, or a little Italian child, or a little Chinese child, or a little Portuguese child, or a little Spanish child - wouldn't you? Of course you would! You don't begrudge one role and only one role going to a Black Kid, when the overwhelming majority of roles for children go to White kids? No. You do not begrudge one leading role going to a Black actor, when the overwhelming majority of roles go to White actors do you? No. You just hate Will Smith right? Sure that's it. I must have just misread all of those 'N' word comments, or maybe I just did not put it in the proper perspective.
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Jan 11, 2010 1:34:52 PM CST
Nathan Fillion as Karate Kid is a great idea by AsimovLives
by rene_belloq_12inch_figure
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If people use racial slurs to put down Jaden smith, that's wrong. Wrong beyond description.But what is also going around here is Will smith fanatics who sue the race card to put down anybody who doesn't share their high regard toward Will smith. Woe he who does not praise Will smith sky high, or you will be a racist. And frankly, i have little patience for that shit. They are as bad as the racists. They are racists.
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12, 8, and 4. All three of them think it's pretty awesome.
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AsimovLives wants to take their jobs away and give them to good ol' white kids.
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Jan 11, 2010 2:46:19 PM CST
How can it be worse to blurt out a racial slur
by rene_belloq_12inch_figure
than trying to discredit and destroy a black child's career under the false pretense of nepotism when you are a secret racist AsimovLives, it makes no sense. Sticks and Stones.
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Just call it Nepotist Kid and be done with it.
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Chinese get an eventual pummeling from a black guy, an outsider? Yeah that's gonna go down well. People in China are just as insanely patriotic as America. Won't matter what nationality or name change, China won't be watching even if it was a bootleg.
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Were Americans upset about the original when Ralph was taught by an Asian how to defeat Americans? Do you think Chinese are going to be upset that a Chinese man taught an American how to fight? Both statements are retarted.
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other than a monitored confrontation overseen by a certified referee" Kid. Fuckin pussy. Break a beer bottle and stab a mutherfucker in the streets.
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Uhhh, what about K.K. part 2? Mr. Miyagi and Daniel flew to China, where Daniel kicked the crap out of a Chinese rival. Wasn't that a hit?
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He means IN China. The fim will not be a hit AMONGST the people of China, because Jackie Chan will be teaching an American how to beat up Americans. I mean, would Americans rally around a movie about an American coach training the Chinese to beat the Americans in Baseball or Basketball at the Olympics.
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He means IN China. The fim will not be a hit AMONGST the people of China, because Jackie Chan will be teaching an American how to beat up Americans. I mean, would Americans rally around a movie about an American coach training the Chinese to beat the Americans in Baseball or Basketball at the Olympics.
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Jan 12, 2010 2:32:42 AM CST
BSB, Jsscript2007, Dirk the well hung and thoughtful Amoeba
by continentalop
1) BSB, The sentiment is very much appreciated. You are a true Professional.
2) jsscript - Fuck yes there are racist on this site. Just because your paranoid doesn't mean you don't have enemies; just because some people are labelling everone racist doesn't mean some people are not.
3. Dirk, I appreciate you defending me and saying I am not a racist but I still disagree with you and say nepotism is wrong. I'll spell out my argument in my next post. -
"Jackie Chan will be teaching an American how to beat up Chinese and not Americans." That is what I meant to say.
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"Jackie Chan will be teaching an American how to beat up Chinese and not Americans." That is what I meant to say.
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Now that I have this forum to myself and don't have to spend time defending myself against ridiculous attacks I can spell out why I hate nepotism.
Nepotism robs us as a people a fair chance or opportunity. If positions of importance or wealth, or assets and material are available for only people related to whomever gets them first, after awhile those assets or positions became almost heriditary. What that does is prevent opportunity for those who are skilled or talented but don't have the family connections - a never ending cycle of certain high status positions and wealth being in the same hands no matter how qualified they are, and exluding others from getting a better life. It becomes an aristocracy, something I abhor.
Now the idea that this is just one little job is also something I dispute - because it isn't a little job. This is the starring role in a movie with a budget of at least $10 million (probably more) and a part that pays hundreds of thousands a dollars. That is money the family of an uknown or up-and-coming child actor can live on, or enough for a college fund. It is also a part that could open doors and lead to more jobs. In short a life-changer.
Plus there really is very few good paying acting gigs available. There is only an x amount of movies being made only offering x amount of jobs (and only few of those gigs pay anything). If there is only x amount of jobs and 1000x many people trying for it, is it fair to just give it to someone because that is your son? And especially if your kid hasn't yet proven himself?
(And I'll be honest maybe Jaden has proven himself. I don't follow kid actors or nickelodean or shit like that so maybe he has proven himself in other projects I am unaware of. But that just goes to show he has enough advantages with his father's money, name, connections, experience and mentoring to not need him to do the Hollywood equivelent of a MTV Sweet Sixteen party).
As for this entire racism debate to be a huge distraction. First the idea that whites have practiced nepotism for centuries and now that some black people are rich and should get a chance to practice it is absurd. If it is wrong, it is wrong no matter who does it.
And I include all the past performer's who benefitted from it.
And this charge that I am against Will Smith practicing nepotism because he's black is just stupid. I don't want anyone practicing it. Also, what would I get out of defending nepotism by Hollywood's elite? My last name isn't Lucas, Coppola, Barrymore or Douglas. Even if these actors have the same skin color as me their success doesn't help me because I don't share their last names or have parents who are well established in the business. Nepotism by whites only doesn't benefit me at all.
I will also add that nepotism hurts minorities. Nepotism and racism has always gone hand in hand - the idea of hiring someone based on sharing the same genes as you isn't that far from hiring people who only share the same skin color. And usually your relatives and kids will be the same race as you are, so it helps perpectuate racism.
And even when someone like Smith cracks the race barrier, I think him practicing nepotism hurts other blacks. Sure giving the starring role to your so gives a black person a job, but only a black person named Smith. It robs a young unknown black child actor of their chance and a opportunity, and let's be honest Jaden has plenty of advantages as Will Smith's kid that he can still make it even without daddy bankrolling a movie for him.
Now, I will say I have no problem with Mr. Smith making the conscious effort to hire black actors and crew members. They are under-represented in Hollywood and have fewer in-roads in the film business. He's addressing that problem. However, I don't think his son is at quite the same disadvantage as other black child actors.
I would also say that I don't think Will Smith is a bad person and I can completely understand why he would practice nepotism. It is a natural reaction to want to help your offspring But just because it is natural doesn't mean it isn't wrong. And I also understand the idea if nepotism isn't so clearly defined or black & white (no pun intended). Like everything there is degrees. I would have no problem working with his adult son if he was an established actor; I do have problem with making him the star of a film at a young age without truly earning it. To me that crosses a line.
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then when they spar, Jackie Chan tells him out of the blue to 'take off jacket' while throwing a kick and the kid immediately reacts and remove the proverbial jacket and evades the blow. You see, its a homage to wax on wax off, except of course for all that repetetive muscle memory training of course. That shit just isnt cool.
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WTF, Why do we need this remake? Is the world of martial arts that hard up for the hollywood spotlight? Now the idea of Jackie Chan as the mentor is interesting to me, probably due to the fact that his recent movies have been shit wrapped up in a bow, (The Spy Next Door? Really, come on. Is it a sequel to The Pacifier? What the hell is it) But I just dont understand the timing of this movie. Red Dawn remake, the timing coudn't be better. Global hostility. Nukes pointed in every direction. It makes sense to remake THAT movie. It remaking the Karate Kid just seems redundant right now.
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HA! HA! HA! I think you've just broke Strom Thurmond's record for the longest filibuster to deny blacks the rights as whites to get their nepotism on. I tell ya', you Y T's and your bullshit rationale to maintain your precious hold on what y'all call the PECKING ORDER is laughable. Oh well, whatever gets' you through the day so you can feel good about yourself.
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