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Hey folks, Ambush Bug here continuing our week long series of Top Ten Comics of the 2000’s from your favorite @$$holes. Today we have a pair of @$$holes’ Top Ten Lists for you, starting off with my pal, Humphrey Lee…
Humphrey Lee’s Top Ten Comics of the 2000’s
The following was an actual conversation…
“Hey Humphrey Lee, it’s Bug. I was just wondering if you wanted to write up an intro for your Top Ten Comics of the 2000’s list.”
“Ehh, not really. Just say something like, "I've read a fuckton of comics!"
“OK, and I will.”
LUCIFER (DC Vertigo)
Well, if you’re doing a best of list, might as well start with the best. And LUCIFER was a comic that, as far as I’m concerned, was comic book perfection. Mike Carey and could have taken this SANDMAN spinoff and presented it as just that, but instead they created a work of art on par with its source. The saga of the Lightbringer and all the machinations that you would expect to come from a book starring the former King of Hell was just beautiful to watch unfold. The twists, the turns, the overall weight of the subject matter, the development of all the supporting characters and the storytelling of it all (especially “The Yahweh Dance”, probably the best single issue of the decade), everything was just handled so perfectly. This series was an absolute masterpiece, and not just the best comic I read this decade, but amongst the top handful of comics I have read period.
ASTERIOS POLYP
On the subject of masterpieces, let’s go with one from an absolute master of the medium, David Mazzucchelli. While LUCIFER above was the best series I’ve read all decade, this is its equal in the Graphic Novel arena. The absolute most beautiful thing about this work of art is how it defies the ordinary. Everything about this book is extremely fresh, from the design of the characters to the way Mazz works with the panels and the pages and the color schemes and the open spaces. It completely redefines how the comic book format can be worked, and Mazz works it for everything it is worth. Oh, and the story all these revolutionizing techniques tell is a pretty engrossing one as well. This isn’t just one of the best comics ever made, but one of the most important for what it presents to the medium and how it challenges it.
Y: THE LAST MAN (DC Vertigo)
The work that really put Brian K. Vaughan on the map for me (though I bought/enjoyed THE HOOD as a precursor to this), Y: THE LAST MAN is one of my favorite character-centric pieces of comics. Yorick Brown definitely proved to be one of the most interesting leads I have followed in comics, from his eccentricities to his fountain of useless facts that drove his unusual personality, to his difficulties with the opposite sex. And his companions on his journey, 355 and Dr. Mann, played off of his goofiness and ofttimes dimwittedness perfectly. A great premise, great characters, and amazing art via Pia Guerra are why this made the cut for me.
100 BULLETS (DC Vertigo)
If you love grim and gritty and oh so dirty (and do I ever) then every issue of this book by Brian Azzarello and Eduardo Risso was pretty much an orgasm on the printed page. Filled to the brim with sex and violence and complex storytelling (with even more violence!) every issue of this series was a feast. All the characters were highly intriguing on their own and, the beautiful part of this book, all played for their own stakes and to their own, sometimes fatal, ends. The story was complex, the characters were equally so, and the art was possibly the best I beheld all decade for its line work and storytelling. Oh, and it featured probably the best cover work outside of James Jean’s contributions on FABLES this decade coming from Dave Johnson, something that should be praised whenever it is exemplified because it does seem to be a lost art these days. 100 BULLETS was not just a great crime drama, but great comics.
FABLES (DC Vertigo)
I would honestly say that for about three straight years in the middle part of this decade, whenever anyone asked me what was the best comic out there, the answer that exited my lips within not even a second was FABLES. Bill Willingham and Mark Buckingham took characters we all (mostly) know and love and turned our conceptions of them all on their head, while also presenting us with one of the best mysteries in comics while it was unraveling: “Who is the Adversary?” The universe they put these characters in, their interactions, the overall story and inevitable war they fought, all masterly handled. And like I just mentioned above, a great cover artist is a terrible thing to waste, and James Jean was the best of them this decade, his art mostly on display on this series. Admittedly, I have grown less enthused about this title in the past year – it seems to have climaxed and somewhat dragged – but there are still glimpses here and there of its former greatness, and when this book was great, it was the best.
THE WALKING DEAD (Image Comics)
I, like so many others, am pretty fucking tired of zombies after this decade. The fact that a book with the flesh eating ones as a centerpiece is one of the best things I am currently reading pretty much speaks volumes on how good this book really is. As writer Robert Kirkman has made abundantly clear by this point, it’s not so much about all the dead people, but what has become of day-to-day life for the scant live ones. The trials and tribulations that Kirkman has put these poor bastards through from day one sometimes makes me want to watch SCHINDLER’S LIST just to cheer up, but the emotional highs and lows that these survivors endures make for pretty much the best example of a zombie work I have ever encountered. It’s not just great geek porn, it’s great human drama.
SCALPED (DC Vertigo)
If there’s anything I could say about this book, it’s that this feels like a combination of my two favorite TV shows, THE WIRE and DEADWOOD, in comic book form, and that right there is an amazing feat. THE WIRE reference comes from the complete shithole setting that the book takes place, and how it is brought to life like it is a character in its own right, let alone all the stories that take place in it and the highs and (mostly) lows they reach. And the DEADWOOD riff comes from Chief Red Crow, who reminds me so much of Al Swearengen, probably my single favorite character in all of television history. Very dirty, very sobering, very tense and saddening via all the shit that hits the fan in this book, particularly for lead Dashiell Bad Horse. I know it’s relatively young compared to the majority of all the other books I picked for this list, but given what we have seen so far, this is already one of the all time greats and it’s really just getting warmed up.
EX MACHINA (DC Wildstorm)
While Y: THE LAST MAN put BKV on the map, this book claimed the entire map for him. Just like Y, this book thrives on excellent characters, a highly intriguing overarching plot, and glorious art. But my love for it grows even fonder than it does for Y because it really is in a world of its own. We’ve seen post-apocalyptic comics time and time again (hell, there’s two of them on this list alone) but it’s so rare to see a comic really even acknowledge contemporary politics and real world events, let alone thrive on them. The social relevance of this book, and the moral dilemmas that its star Mitchell Hundred – one of the most human and unique characters I’ve encountered in a comic – has to endure just make this comic a show like no other comic I have read. And as it winds down, it is turning into a pretty exemplary piece of sci-fi, which tickles another fancy of mine just right. If it weren’t for his disappearance to a hit TV show this would have easily been the decade of BKV to me, and this book was/is his best and brightest.
SLEEPER (DC Wildstorm)
Doing its damned best to not let 100 BULLETS hog all the crime fiction spotlight, SLEEPER was not only my first exposure to Ed Brubaker, but still the work of his I maintain is his best. This book absolutely oozed everything the noir world that Brubaker works typically exemplify. Watching Holden Carver every issue finding himself going deeper and deeper into his own personal hell, and all the sex and violence that seemed to accompany him on his descent, was just exhilarating in its decadence. And Sean Phillips’ pencils were absolutely sublime, right up there with the best visual storytellers like the aforementioned Mazzucchelli and Risso and so on. And that ending? So beautifully bittersweet, the best way to describe this book on the whole.
PLANETARY (DC Wildstorm)
I know how easy it to spite this book because of its chronic tardiness. But, these transgressions were only so painful because of how excellent this book was when it did arrive on the shelf. PLANETARY was everything I loved about so many things. It was everything I love about Pulp, about Superheroes, about Science Fiction, about Warren Ellisonian dialogue, about comic book art and on and on. The way Ellis and Cassaday played with and on so many iconic characters and comic book tropes was the biggest and best love letter to comics you could find. Yes, we all screamed bloody murder when it did not show up for months, sometimes years, but that’s only because we knew it was worth every second.Thanks Humphrey!
Humphrey Lee has been an avid comic book reader going on fifteen years now and a contributor to Ain't It Cool comics for quite a few as well. In fact, reading comics is about all he does in his free time and where all the money from his day job wages goes to - funding his comic book habit so he can talk about them to you, our loyal readers (lucky you). He's a bit of a social networking whore, so you can find him all over the Interwebs on sites like Twitter, The MySpaces, Facebookand a Blogger Account where he also mostly talks about comics with his free time because he hasn't the slightest semblance of a life. Sad but true, and he gladly encourages you to add, read, and comment as you will.
Let’s keep the Top Ten Lists a comin’! Next up…you know him, you love him. He has difficulty with spelling names of 80’s iconic toys and also has a hard time coming up with more than five picks for a top ten list…Heeeerrrrrrre’s Optimous Douche…
Optimous Douche’s Top Ten Comics of the 2000’s
Optimous Douche here. I hate making lists, but I also couldn’t bear to spend one more week away, so I submit this “list” in the 12th hour. You will be reading this when most of my selections will have already no doubt been covered by my esteemed colleagues in the @$$hole clubhouse and been TalkBack praised, shat posted with single Fucktard blows in the subject lines (12 points to the first Talkbacker that does it for this wrap-up) and debated into a messy comicy pulp. Yet aside from loneliness, I also feel the need to justify the thousands of dollars I have spent, the seemingly infinite amount of long boxes in my closet and the sheer countless hours of joy comics have given me over the past decade. But I hate lists, so here’s a few books that made me go DUH-DAMN during the aught years.
ULTIMATE SPIDER-MAN (Ultimate Marvel)
Go ahead, bring it on, I’m ready for it. Bendis is talky, Bendis no action, Optimous big girl that likes reading soap operas in spandex. You know what, yeah sometimes I do. I can’t think of any other book that had the sheer staying power of ole’ ULTIMATE SPIDER MAN from story arc to story arc. Did it have low points? You bet your ass (i.e. This Review) of last issue before reboot), but did it also blow a second wind into Spidey’s then thirty-something year old sails to support the movie franchise and bring back at least one reader to the life of Peter Parker after many years away? Well to quote Bendis dialogue…yuh-huh…did!
FABLES (DC Vertigo)
First I want to mourn. James Jean I miss you. Your dewy charcoaled nightmares served as exquisitely sketched concierges into Willingham’s twisted take on Grimm’s Fairytales. Yes, the book has persevered without you and others have done admirable work, but know that you are deeply missed. Epic in scale and still growing, there has not been a genre that this series has yet to traverse and fully embrace. Want a spy story? Done. Looking for a military battle? No problem. Need a little intrigue, mystery, romance, lovers crossed and a talking pig head on a stick? FABLES…
ALL STAR SUPERMAN (DC Comics)
Few names ring in a beautiful tandem these days like, say, Lee and Kirby. I would say the true team-up, the marrying of creators together not only on a single story arc but multiple books for multiple years, is truly a memory. Morrison and Quitely are the modern Lee and Kirby; they will be the names that are remembered fondly for their joint work twenty years from now. I know, ballsy statement; I don’t care. When these two have come together the comic enters a whole other realm of greatness. I would say ALL STAR SUPERMAN is the pinnacle of the M&Q think tank. Even though we could all recite SUPERMAN’S origins and countless adventures from memory, Morrison crafted them in such a way that every moment felt fresh. Quitely simply bled every raw emotion behind the mythos of Superman into every panel. If I was making a list, this might have actually gone first.
Y: THE LAST MAN (DC Vertigo)
The concept has been tried before on TV and in movies with either laughable or regrettable results. Only comics could afford the heady concept of all men on earth dying except one, the time to truly establish not just the central characters, but also the political and societal implications of natural Armageddon. While Yorick was great and all, it was always the larger world and how it changed that kept me coming back for more on Y. In the last issue, when women have been in charge of the world for sixty years, pay close attention to the architecture. Every building is smooth, oval, cyndrical – basically not a phallic symbol in sight except for the Eiffel Tower. It was little attention to details like that which gave me new respect for the concept of a finite series and introduced me to Vaughan’s “good, but not as good as Y” series EX MACHINA.
SUPERMAN: RED SON (DC Comics)
Could have cared less this took place in Russia. The end of this book was masterful.There’s a ton of other books that I have truly loved: WALKING DEAD, INVINCIBLE, at times the cavalcade of stories at the big houses – HOUSE OF M, I kind of liked it. If I had to pick the books that a child being born today would want to read fifteen years from now, well there you have it.
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Thanks, OD!
Be sure to check out the rest of the @$$holes’ lists from earlier this week!
Vroom Socko’s List
Matt Adler’s List
Ambush Bug’s List
And be sure to tune in tomorrow for Professor Challenger and superhero’s picks for the Top Ten Comics of the 2000’s!
Matt Adler’s List
Ambush Bug’s List
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its an amazing piece of work!
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...but it sure smells good!
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Grinning from ear to ear actually. The entire comic book world that Gaiman introduced with Sandman is just endlessly interesting and satisfying to me. Totally blown away that anybody would put Lucifer as their best of the decade, but can't really find any reason to disagree. Also nice to see 100 Bullets and The Walking Dead.
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...now that I've read Alan Moore's Supreme. They're awfully similar approaches to the subject matter. Not to say that A.S.S. isn't good, it just no longer seems quite as special.
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Why is it called ALL STAR Superman?
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In no particular order
Fantastic Four: Unstable Molecules - I think if Sturm had finished the series about the "real" FF this would be considered one of the greatest comics of all time.
Superman: Secret Identity - vastly better and more relevant to me then All Star Superman
Invincible - best straight up superhero comic
Bone - for my kids
PS238 - for me and my kids
Slott's She Hulk - actually made me like a female, superhero rip off
BKV's Runaways - sorry, I think this is BKVs most interesting work
Fables - everyone else picked right here
Loki - all right, an off beat choice but I really liked this painted story that humanized Thor's greatest villain
Ultimate Spiderman - had some weak arcs but for the most part, consistently good - something Bendis hasn't been able to do nearly as often as most people thinks. -
Half way done with the series. Next I would like to check out the Sandman series and also fables.
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I really liked the first Lucifer and Planetary arcs but both fell off dramatically going forward. Lucifer because it was so wrapped in this dense storyline about Michael's daughter, Planetary because of the unending ridiculousness of Elijah's battle with the 4.
I enjoyed Sleeper but at some point Holden became to irredeemable to sympathize with while Tao for such a super genius went down way too easily.
Read the first Ex Machina - interesting but too much like watching a MSNBC.
Y was enjoyable and I see why people liked it, my feeling was that for a story that was supposed being grounded in the real world it often became over the top ridiculous. -
For including Lucifer, Walking Dead, Y Last Man, Fables and Ex Machina, I think your list most accurately reflects my own comic tastes.
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Give Ex-Mach another chance.
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I see both as great pieces of work, but it’s like comparing an apple to an orange.
Secret Identity was simply brilliant in inception and execution, but it was not really a Superman story. Busiek’s Clark Kent was simply not the Superman we all know and love (or hate depending on your taste).
All Star took the tired old “real” Superman and gave the mythos a breath of fresh air.
Morrison had to address cannon and did an amazing job making the old feel new again. Secret Identity was a new concept all to its own.
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And I'm willing to bet you'll get sucked into reading the VAST amount of other material set in that world. If not, cool. But the 75 issue Sandman arch (all easily found in trade paperback form) should be required reading.
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so much quality over the last decade, so many winners
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My understanding is that All-Star was originally going to allow writers to run free with non-contnuity new takes on DC, sort of like Marvel's Ultimates. But then Frank Miller made ASBAR and tainted the whole thing before it got going. Not a huge comic reader either, but I think that's the gist.
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I agree wholeheartedly! And they didn't do too bad the previous decade, either.
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All Star because they were meant to be created by the industry's All Stars.
Adelai is right though, Miller's All Star Batman & Robin was received with less than an All Star response.
Personally I didn't hate it. It was basically batdouche patrols Gotham. Dare I say, I found it kind of interesting if not misguided. -
...tainting (or not) ASBAR have to do with the books being titled All-Star? ....?? Just sayin'. According to Wiki: "These series are helmed by renowned writers and artists in the American comic book industry and attempt to retell some of the history of prominent DC Universe characters, but outside of DC Universe continuity, and not be restricted by it, in order to appeal to new and returning readers. Every series under the All Star imprint is set in its own continuity and separate universes."
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Trying to get to the point that we might have seen an All Star Green Lantern, Flash etc...had Miller not "screwed the pooch" with ASBAR.
"Screwed the pooch" is in quotes becasue I disagree that it was the most awful thing created like most folks do.
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Did not make my Top 10, but it was in my master list.
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What, no Daredevil. BMB did better work on that than even the great Ultimate Spider-man.
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Unfortunately DC didn't (or hasn't) had enough faith to push forward and try other artists/writers. It's possible they were scared off because of Miller's ASBAR, but that still has nothing to do with why the books were called "All-Star" to begin with. Not a big deal. I just thought it was an odd way to answer the question.
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HBO used to be so awesome, with shows like Sex/City, 6 Ft Under, Sopranos. But then it slumped, those shows all went off and the newer ones didn't interest me. Am beginning to like it again with Hung and Eastbound and Down.
Vertigo used to be terrific, with Sandman, followed by Dreaming, Y, Shade, Swamp Thing...but I no longer buy one single title. If I criticize Fables as unable to keep my interest, Lucifer is one of the most boring comics ever. I bought it for like a year before giving up on it. I have since discovered that I find Mike Carey's writing to generally be dull.
BTW, ASBAR was very well received in sales terms, I believe it was huge. Yes, everyone talks about how much it sucks (I like it as a fun train wreck, but it cost too much) but it did very well...sort of a Transformers 2 of the comics scene.
I bet the problem now is getting creative teams who are "All-Star" and wlling/available to do one. For writers, Morrison and Miller are done, so whos left? Millar, Bendis, JMS? The horrible KEvin Smith actually did his best comics work on All Star Green Arrow (which wasn't actually all star, of course). -
I was starting to feel very alone for actually liking the new Green Arrow.
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should be on these lists. Though Walking Dead is the *better* Kirkland series. Still, INVINCIBLE!
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That was a Bob Schreck (who is no longer with DC) shepherded project and Didio's 'Earth One' series will be replacing it. At least, according to Rich Johnston that's kind of how it all went down....
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were amazing, as were the recent Year One series, I hope they continue that on as I am sick of Green Arrow/Black Canary series going on at the moment
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Hey Mr. Lee, you forgot to go back and add the name of the guy who drew Lucifer.
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His name? Lance Hamilton, P.I.
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I like the inclusion of All Star Superman finally, not mention Ultimate Spider-man and Planetary.
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And say, where's the X-Statix love on any of these lists? Not just you guys; all over the net I ain't never noticed it on any best-of-2000's list.
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Im pretty surprised I haven't seen this on anyones lists. I don't really follow the comics world all that close. I just read what grabs me, but DMZ by Brian Woods is absolutely amazing. Check it out.
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I agree that it really deserves a place. I think (am not 100% certain) it pretty much led the way for self-aware heroes and is still the only ongoing series in which anyone could die anytime. (Goodbye, U-Go Girl. You rocked).
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it started good, but petered out. I think in the end, I really liked the idea of the comic, but not the comic itself
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DMZ had me hooked on concept, but I just couldn't stick with it.
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Was a GREAT book!!!!
Loved Allred's work here...
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... the moment they named it X-Statix.
I like what they're currently doing with X-Force. If y'all don't know X-Force is currently X-Men's black ops splinter group. Sort of like what they did with X-Factor back in 2002 or so, but that series seemed to last all of 3 issues. It's one of the few X-Men titles where I've seen Wolverine being wolverine. Meaning if he fights someone they're dead. Nothing's worse than a comics fight with sharp things where nobody gets cut or stabbed. That was one good part of Old Man Logan... they show what Logan can do to people. They need to take it even further I think... show what comic book fights would actually look like... basically a bunch of people in their underwear, soaked in blood. I think the expansion of verisimilitude that started with Ultimates early last decade will be a continuing trend in this new one. -
I bought it for some time, then dropped it, currently reading it again due to the Necrosha crossover.
The Clayton Crain art is very pretty, the book looks terrific. The cast is good. Vanisher is an expecially good character, although being a teleporter named Telford Porter is a groaner.
It is extremely hard to read, however. Lots of red lettering on black background, for example, that I sometimes literally have to skip over because I just can't read it. Also, the stories were tedious, anti-mutant hysteria stuff. -
I bought the Absolute volumes and thoroughly enjoyed them.
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I'd have to put USM above DD in the Bendis canon. USM quality sustained for the most part (yeah there were some weak arcs but on the whole it was very good). Bendis' DD on the other hand started with an incredible premise (his outing) but then never seemed to go anywhere from there, and there were just way too many draggy, boring arcs.
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So he wasn't going to make my list regardless.
There are just certain charachters that no matter how good the person writing them is, I still just can't get into.
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I think this could be really cool if someone could do an adult (not perverted) take on classic WW and how she was supposed to be both proto-feminist icon one moment and then tied up torture victim the next. Could make a cool Vertigo series.
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You need to look at it in the context of the time.
X-Force was still holding to the ghost of Liefeld at the time, it was still rooted in him even though it was a Marvel property.
X-Statix was one of the smart editorial decisions of the time. "Hey, we've bled this puppy dry, let's take a brake and find a new direction."
Even the new X-Force is a far cry from the old. Honestly I would be more pissed about this if I was an X-Force fan back in the day, picked up this book and found absolutely no trace of the book that was.
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What I was saying is that the Milligan/Allred run was fantastic for the first couple years while it was still called "X-Force"... this is when it was a great parody of Image and the industry as a whole... by the time they renamed it X-Statix and started the numbering back at #1, that concept had been played out and Allred wasn't doing the art anymore.
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you knwo what man, my fault entirely. I forgot the new direction happened when it was still called X-Force.
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It's easily one of the best. Constantly late? Yes. But constantly brilliant, like watching a great movie every issue.
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was worth noting too. maybe not in a top ten, but an honorable mention or something. The artwork is gorgeous and the writing's not bad at all. or is it disqualified for being more of a series of miniseries than an ongoing?
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Hmmm heard a lot about this. My LCS only had one issue of Shaolin Cowboy. Need to hunt down more.
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Unreal series. Can't believe how caught up in it I got with the first trade, just like 100 Bullets. Jason Aaron is fantastic. Is there any current, better depiction of Logan than in his Wolverine: Weapon X? X-Men Legacy is the only other X-title I buy monthly, so I really should check out Lucifer and Carey's other newie Unwritten. What's that like?? Sleeper is also my favourite Brubaker work, if not my overall #1. Loved it.
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Never got into Scalped though. I tried it just couldn't get into it. My loss I guess.
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To me that is the most entertainingly violent and vulgar comic since... well, PREACHER. Not as great, by any means, but it's still a laff riot.
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Thats his fave overall comic actually, he finally wore me down into buying the 1st trade, will be starting it soon
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Whoever mentioned that above is dead on, that mini was criminally underrated, fantastic art and awesome story. Well worth seeking it out.
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One of my favorite arcs of the decade, they should teach that one in Comics 101, stunningly awesome on all levels. Whoever said that Snow's battle with the 4 drug on too long.......ummmm, didnt the entire series only go 27 issues? Really? That was too long for ya?
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I've heard its like watching paint dry, the premise sounds awesome, just not sure what to believe.
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according to me. Just dazzling. But tastes vary. If you prefer slam-bang action comics Lucifer might not be your speed. It's a little more cerebral. I'd liken it more to Sandman since that's the universe it sprang from.
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I liked him on Lucifer, Hellblazer, his GN "The Furies," Enjoyed his X-men stuff. I've also enjoyed his three novels, they're Hellblazer ripoffs but they're still pretty damn good.
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someday...when I learn to spell I will rule you whimpering humans.
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If anyone could write a book that makes Boom Boom, Machine Man, and Elsa Bloodstone uber-awesome... they deserve to be in the top 10 of the decade or else someone's going to be placed in Fin Fang Foom's underpants.
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It deserves mention for the "Civil War" cover if nothing else, where one of them is holding a sign stating, "Mark Millar licks goats!" It's a true blockbuster, hilarious comic
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It's a good comparison. They are both cerebral plots, with not exactly much in the way of an action scene each issue. But it does tell a whole story in 75 issues, and doesn't go in for "padding".
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both play extremely large parts in both stories as well. Truer perhaps for Sandman, but there's good stuff like that aplenty in Lucifer too. As some one who enjoys Greek Mythology Sandman was a dream come true.
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But another thing I like about Lucifer was that it maintained a Dante's Inferno vibe to it while using much of Sandman's vaunted Mythology and not simply sticking to a Christian viewpoint.
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