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James Cameron + Atomic Bombs = ???
Merrick here...
Smith called our attention to THIS New York Times article about the passing of Tsutomu Yamaguchi.
If you've never heard of Mr. Yamaguchi, he's the only "official" person on Earth to survive two Atomic blasts. He was in Hiroshima when Little Boy detonated, then returned home to Nagasaki shortly before it was hit by Fat Man.
What makes Mr. Yamaguchi's passing "Cool News" worthy - if any "cool news" can be dervied from such tragedy - is alluded to in the article's closing paragraphs:
...he had recently been visited by the American film director James Cameron to discuss a film project on atomic bombs.
According to A POST at MonstersAndCritics, Cameron was accompanied on his visit by Charles Pellegrino - who authored the book THE LAST TRAIN FROM HIROSHIMA: THE SURVIVORS LOOK BACK (available HERE
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Is Cameron's project a documentary built around Pellegrino's book, or are the two pulling together data for an altogether different approach to the events of 1945? More details as more come in...
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two dogs humping and it would probably make over a billion worldwide. Of course, the dogs would have to be in 3D.
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Is he really a ghost?
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Going around Hollywood a while ago that someone really wanted to make a movie about Mr. Yamaguchi incredible experiences during the war. Maybe this is it finally coming to the surface. Although i'm not sure if Cameron is the perfect director to handle this kind of material. Don't get me wrong, he's an awesome director with more than enough technical and artistic chops to bring it, but perhaps someone with a more poetic and subtle touch.
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that's some crazy shit.
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"The Dive". That film sounds like shit.
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Had to ask.
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Can we make that happen? Send him, Michael Bay, and George Lucas to the desert and run a few tests...
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...has all of a sudden turned into overdrive movie maker. He disappeared off the radar for a while, now he's doing this, an Avatar trilogy (alegedly), and another series. Sheesh!!!
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the haters.
Seriously, though, this could be interesting not just from a personal point of view, but from a technological one. Imagine interviews with this guy and some experts and others, interspersed with dramatized scenes from the blasts and aftermath, as directed by Cameron and rendered by the Weta wizards. -
Perhaps Cameron is researching for a film on the historic and tragic journey of the USS Indianapolis so poetically described by Quint in Jaws... maybe he wanted the first hand account of the bomb being detonated? He's pretty thorough...
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You know, as a consequense of being exposed to the explotions. Otherwise how could he have survived? Maybe the first one gave him powers and the second disabled them?
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Not to be a douche or anything, cuz I know nothing about Mr. Yamaguchi's story, but "survived two atomic bombs" is a bit of a vague statement.
To put it in perspective, if Little Boy's blast radius was about 2.5 kilometres, and the radiation caused effects like cancer out to about 5 kilometres, that means if you were in Harlem when a similar bomb went off in Times Square you'd have a pretty decent chance of survival. -
And he lived to 95 as well. Props.
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I can't wait.
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I was at the time writting a script about an atomic bomb that became self aware and threatend to blowup the moon with it's radar. Anyway i met with Mr Tamagotchi to discuss several bomb related things, and i even promised to name a character "Gotchi" (which was his nick name).Sad to hear he passed, but perhaps in the shadow of death we can great new life with my script finally getting interest shown in it in his honor. I know of a famous sony exec that loved my script and always told me i was so good at writting it
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btw cameron doing an a bomb movie would rule. but aintitcool, comingsoon, and so many other websites have taken to having annoying ads that play noise pop up. i surf the web lisnen to music and then coughing and an ad about medicine pops up. i dont have time for that shit. besides after avatar most movies won't be as cool. im done with this site and all other sites that support extremely annoying noise advertisements. fuck you all.
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maybe the most cry worthy film ever.
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then a dog came along and pissed on his charred body
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apparently he was 3 km away from each blast. In the first he suffered from destroyed eardrums, temporary blindness, complete baldness (though it seems the hair grew back)and left him with serious burns over upper left side of his body.
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i was one of the people who thought titanic looked boring, and figured it was going to ruin james cameron.then i thought avatar looked interesting, but nothing ground breaking, so it would probably bring james cameron's name back down to earth.ive learned my lesson.
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Cameron needs to take a step back after two back to back BILLION DOLLAR movies. He can't possibly have a 3rd back to back (or can he?). He needs to make a smaller movie -- and by smaller I mean a 100 million dollar production starring ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER, TOM ARNOLD and JAMIE LEE CURTIS (see where I'm headed here). Even Steven Spielberg had to do the same following JAWS (the biggest movie in the world at that point) and E.T. (the biggest movie at that point) and make Big high grossing action sequels like the JONES movies. TRUE LIES 2 will bring CAMERON back to films that make 500-600 million worldwide :) CAMERON has as much power as STEVEN SPIELBERG in Hollywood now and can do what he wants! He actually earned that power after TITANIC made 1.8 BILLION.
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Why not he's had an h-bomb go off in 60% of his movies
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...run away from him?
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With that extra information, it is indeed miraculous that he could live to 95 without succumbing to cancer, at the very least.
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Not to belittle Mr. Yamagotchi, whose experience was no doubt horrific, but I think we can safely posit that at least one bit of "cool news" that resulted from the bombings was the end of WWII. Just saying.
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That thing blew the crap out of everything. I don't think there's any chance good stories will ever return. Instead we're going to see so many Avatar knock offs.
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Jan 06, 2010 12:35:21 PM CST
Tom cruise has found a new boyfriend in Taylor Lautner.aahhh
by thedannerdaliel
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Jan 06, 2010 12:35:33 PM CST
...if Cameron learned he got it wrong he'll travel back in...
by flickapoo
...time and fix the blast in T2.He's that powerful now.
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That was where most people fled after the first bomb.
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John Connor should look this guy up. The machines got nothing for him.
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If Cameron's next film isn't TRUE LIES 2 but a WWII action film, hell yes! Cameron hasn't done the War genre yet and the man can sure get pal Schwarzenegger to play a German soldier. Too bad this project wasn't WITH WINGS AS EAGLES or SGT.ROCK in disguise. Jim, if you're reading this...make a WWII action film with ARNOLD. God knows the oak always wanted to do a John Wayne style action film. WITH WINGS AS EAGLES or SGT.ROCK!?
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Some advice. Back in the internet bubble days, there was a troll poster on Fucked Company who had the same act. It worked well because he would not post so frequently and therefor did not wear the act out. Leave them wanting more. I suggest not posting for a year or so.
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Cameron historical account film. No sir, I don't like it.
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I guess Cameron's never going to get around to making that Battle Angel movie he promised to make....
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...the United States won't be painted as some evil monster in this film?
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It was reported a while back. CAMERON has moved on..........
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= lazy lazy lazy. And I aqtually typed those three lazy's instead of cut and paste. This article title wasn't funny with scientology man + werewolf boy, so using it again for jim cam + weapon of mass destruqtion DIRECTLY AFTER using it is resting on your laurels. And unless I see the words Battle Angel or at least Alita personally I don't care what jim cam is doing.
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Never heard about anyone surviving those TWO blasts. Maybe if his life was (or maybe it is and I don't know it) sensational he would've had an AMERICAN fliq about him. Then again, maybe an "American" fliq prolly wouldn't do him justice.
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which is actually pretty acurate seeing as Japan did deserve what they got. Anyway, the script i saw when i was at james house for the canadian thanksgiving back in november had the us as the good guys and the Japaneeze as the evil doers, Mr Yamachotchi was sort of a comic relief, in that the bomb would drop and it cuts to a guy with black soot on him and his hair all crazy and he says "I knew i should have stayed inbed" but in a droopy dog sort of voice it was actually a funny scene and added some comic relieft to the film when it needed it most
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James Cameron personally built his own, cleaner, better nuclear bomb in order to understand the story better.
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Atomic fukcing bombs! Cameron could easily go the serious WWII movie way or do a fun INGLORIOUS BASTERDS type popcorn action film. Hell, too bad Cameron wasn't doing CAPTAIN AMERICA. That film is WWII. But it's more likely his own take on war. I hope it's a fun huge action adventure film. I still think Cameron should buy the rights to WITH WINGS AS EAGLES from Randall Wallace. The script is fucking AWESOME!
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I smell a Godzilla movie
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Not quite the same as being on the receiving end, but there was one and only one scientist who was a witness to the Trinity, Hiroshima and Nagasaki blasts. I can't lay a cursor on his name right now, dammit.
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Jan 06, 2010 1:07:48 PM CST
James wasn't home for Thanksgiving fuck face or in Canada
by jsscript2007
Someone assassinate that stupid fuck.
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Canadian Thanksgiving is in October!
I HAVE YOU NOW!!!!!!!!
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Wakka wakka wakka!
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...and by BLOWS I mean SUCKS...
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I don't need three discs worth of special features and in-movie commentary jibberjab, just give me a nice transfer of the movie now and save all that special edition stuff for a later doubledip.
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So, there's Mr Yagamachi going down the pub for a beer when Hiroshima gets nuked. He's pretty pissed off, so heads for Nagasaki to try a different pub. Then...blammo. What are the odds? Hey, Cameron made two billion dollar movies, which is insane. He must feel like God.
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is the name of the film
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Jan 06, 2010 1:19:05 PM CST
...Cameron could survive two nuclear blasts at this point...
by flickapoo
...he was just doing a little research to see how REGULAR people would do it...
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The Cameron + Atomic Bomb article was posted FIRST. FYI
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Just sayin'
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the evil cunts in that particular situation or will they gloss over that somehow?
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guy was more badass than seagal and chuck norris combined
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I heard both Battle Angel Alita and Avatar are supposed to be trilogies. However, after watching Avatar, I don't want sequels. It was worth seeing, but I really can't imagine follow up stories being particularly good.If it does become a trilogy, then go the Star Wars route. Empire Strikes Back wasn't an immediate direct sequel to A New Hope so much. It had a gap of time in between and moved in a new direction. However, given that Avatar is about protecting your home and staying there, I find it hard to imagine a sequel other than Marines come back, and they Na'vi kill more Marines.
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but i'm interested in whatever Cameron decides to do next. after "Avatar" nestles up to the #2 spot(or eventually #1) on the all-time gross list, he'll be given directorial carte blanche on a level we've never seen before. creative freedom on that level is always intriguing. its the same reason I'm really looking forward to Chris Nolan's "Inception"... i'm not even a huge fan of either Nolan or Cameron, but when talented filmmakers are entirely set free like that, the chances are high that it will be good.
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Sometimes i get my months mixedup because i'm super busy with movies and hollywood, yeah it was definetly October that i was at James Camerans house for Canadian thanksgiving, and surprisingly it's not much different from our thanksgiving, now Canadian christmas - that will knock your socks off
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To save himself from 2 atomic bombs.
Cameron will make a 700 million dollar film about it.
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You literally have your hand in every single project in Hollywood! It's amazing. I assume '93 is the year you were born, so you're about 17 years old? Amazing accomplishments for a teenager. And to be such a sought-after screenwriter with such shitty grammar and spelling. Even more amazing.
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Jan 06, 2010 1:35:07 PM CST
Bill Murray should play Yamagochi in this madcap movie
by professor_monster
And Jett93 should write it -- I'd call it - "Love is like a Bomb Ba-Bomb" - but i don't want to step on toes.
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Everyone knows he is a liar and a troll. Just ignore him.
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...orbit" after all...Cameron had to talk to a guy who'd been there......only way to be sure.
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on the soundtrack. 'you dropped a bomb awn me.. baybah.. (beeeyoooooooooooooo!!!) you dropped a bomb awn me'
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Jesus Christ, imagine if he destroyed Pandora in the Avatar sequel ... holy shit that'd take some balls.
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It was probably insight on how to visualize Battle Angel. Before Avatar became what it is now. Maybe he'll incorporate those details into Avatar 2...
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you're whacked in the head?
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Jan 06, 2010 2:02:35 PM CST
Cameron talked about this project briefly in 1995
by turd_has_risen_from_the_grave
And I'd still love to see him do it. Along with The Dive and Ghosts of Vesuvius (about eruption of Pompeii). I'm excited as hell that he's back to sci-fi, but I'd love to see him try these dramatic projects to, and they most certainly fit well with his oeuvre, thematically speaking. For those who think Cameron can't do non-sci fi/action drama (as if Titanic didn't serve as proof), check out his unproduced script The Crowded Room, about a man with Multiple
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The Phantom Menace
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In ALIENS, they nuke the site, in T1 and T2, they nuke the planet..heck, even in TRUE LIES, Cameron made a nuke go off just to proves Aziz was telling the truth. I hope in Cameron next action film...be it be a new WWII action film, DOC SAVAGE (that takes place in WWII) or even WWAE...Cameron should nuke something and continue the trend. No one blows things up better than Jim. Not even Bay...who did a great action job with PEARL HARBOR.
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Personality Disorder. Best thing he's ever written (on a purely screenwriting level), and criminal that it didn't get made (and just barely, at that). I think it would have surprised a lot of people, as these other projects (if he chooses to go with them) also will. Fuck the twits who think Cameron can't write - he's still the best action/adventure writer around, and a damn good writer overall.
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That is all.
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You're thinking of Lawrence Johnston. He is the scientist that claimed to have seen all 3.
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I imagine it will take Cameron that long to count his Avatar money.
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I wish he would; he would have been perfect for it. So would McTiernan in his prime. Ah, all these great, never produced scripts, eh? I weep for them, while we continue to get garbage like Transformers 3.
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What was the film about that Cameron addressed in 1995?
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Still lazy artiqle naming, though. Happy 2010!
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with enough hype, any decent movie can become a huge hit.
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Ambiguous headline you must click you find out what the hell it's about.
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I'd Love to see a Hiroshima/ Nagasaki film by Cameron. I saw white light/ black rain on hbo a while back, and that makes the titanic story look really tame. Just hope it wouldn't slow down avatar 2 tho
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A film about the nuclear bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I think he was trying to make a concerted effort to branch out as a dramatic director after T2, rather than just limit himself as an action one, though it didn't really pan out that way, due to a number of factors.
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(Braces for impaqt) seriously stiqing to walls can't be the only thing that makes Peter Parker a "Spider" man. It makes sense that he makes his own webbing that comes after pressure from his wrists/forearms (hee hee!).
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it'll come full circle..
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I am starting to think he really is too. Only a Lucas can right this much shit.
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Cameron just intrigues the fuck out of me. Whatever this turns out to be, AICN better be keeping us updated. Fascinating.
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blah blah blah destroying a beautiful culture blah blah blah imperial colonial tyranny blah blah blah waaaaaaaaah
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How far away was this guy from the point of detonation. Technically anyone can survive a nuclear blast if they are miles and miles away. Saying that he survived nuclear explosions just seems like hyperbole to me
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Cameron is just unsure if he's still going to do it- and some of those apprehensions could be on a purely technical level. Even after Avatar, BA will be tricky. The hyper-kinetic action sequences will be extremely difficult to realize, and wil test the mo-cap and 3D to its limits (higher frame rates will certainly be required), as well as Cameron's skill for action and fight choreography. It will also require a photo-real human this time out - Alita herself will, of course, be a cyborg with inter-changeable parts underneath, but will look, to all intents and purposes, like a 14 year old girl on the surface. I imagine it could be similar to what Kubrick initially proposed with AI, where David was originally going to be fully CG (I think a fully animatronic version was also proposed). Instead, Spielberg went with a real actor, with some make-up to give the face an unnaturally smooth sheen (ditto with Gigolo Joe).
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Jan 06, 2010 2:24:53 PM CST
What I mean is I'm sure that other people have survived nuclear
by avastar
It's just a matter of how you define survivor, how far away, etc, etc. Don't hate me, I'm just adding to the conversation, and it's in my nature to analyze things.
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Go up to the top of the thread where we discussed this already.
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while i feel that 2 bombs on Japan was a bit harsh, I feel the middle east should have the shit nuked out of it. That how wars are ended...with a mushroom cloud.
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Gotcha!
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Imdb pro has "Directed by Joel Schumacher. The true story of Billy Milligan, who developed twenty-four different personalities during his horrific childhood" So I went looking for the script and this comment was under it, "Billy Milligan · 20 weeks ago
James Cameron did not write that script!!!!! Todd Graph and myself did" It does sound good regardless and I'll give that script a whirl, thanks. -
Jan 06, 2010 2:31:55 PM CST
Tragedy, Harry? Not by a long-shot and not what could have happ
by ravenloff
They were just bigger bombs that had none of the emotional quotient we children of the Cold War afix to them. They also saved 10x more lives than they ended. Study up your US Navy and Imperial Navy contingency plans regarding the invasion of Japan and you'll realize what I'm talking about. I suppose firebombing Dresden and other cities was less tragic?
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appart from the radiation, he suffered a burst eardrum and some bad burns, lots of people survived both bombs but he was one of the closest to both.
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AND FUCK YOU WHALES!!!
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3km is:
- just outside the blast radius of 2.5 km
- inside the "heat radius" of about 3 or 4 km
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...ya know wit him bein all "Hollywood"...I mean, imagine if you worked in the greatest industry in the world, workin wit top celebs/directors/writers/fluffers/etc, and then you decide to just waste your life away chattin in TBs... I mean seriously, who would want to try and have sex wit perty, fellatin actresses when ya can be on AICN all day?!?!
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T1- Nuclear holocaust
Aliens- Nuke the site from orbit/atmosphere processor
The Abyss- Nukes on a sub
T2- Nuclear dreams
True Lies- Too many to count
I've not seen Avatar yet but I'm sure there's some nukes in there somewhere. The only exception is Titanic, where it would have been nice to see DiCrapio get nuked. -
We have to be realistic and assume Schwarzenegger is going to star in one of Cameron's next two directorial efforts. Jim said and I quote "when Arnold is free of his schedule and I'm free of mine, we will talk." So either Arnie is in BATTLE ANGEL, the WWII movie, TRUE LIES 2 or something comepletly new like WESTWORLD or CRUSADE.
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just reading about how he got back to Nagasaki and was telling his boss in his office about how he escaped out of Hiroshima when there was another blinding white flash, fucking hell what would go through your mind? He said he thought the mushroom cloud had followed him.
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Don't people have any originality any more? Even the talkback names arebeing reused. I demand you change your name sir!
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Jan 06, 2010 2:45:37 PM CST
UGG - Cameron certainly wrote the script
by turd_has_risen_from_the_grave
He's mentioned it in several interviews in the past, and the script is very much in his style. If you've read plenty of his scripts you would definitely recognize that style. Anyway - Billy Milligan? Someone who was known to be delusional (and I think one of the reasons that the story has not so far been told), and has claimed all kinds of whacked-out shit? I think someone is having a laugh there. Unless they're talking about some newer version of this story (it was sold off after the JC version collapsed). Schumacher? (shudder) - let's hope it remains in mothballs then.
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of the company in Avatar in a sequel. He can be a badass former military commander who went on to a career in politics and then decides to lead the assault on Pandora.
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They should put you in charge of the Middle East buddy!
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He's just doing some research.
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there is some kind of horrific awesomeness to them. Theres a great docu narrated by The Beast that is William Shatner called Trinity and Beyond about nukes that can be easily found on the usual torrents, well worth a watch.
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Eat your heart out, Indy.
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Jan 06, 2010 2:51:23 PM CST
The Guy couldn't survive Five Minutes with Cameron
by jeangrey_x23_lesbosex
the king of the world oozes radiation and it finally did the old bastard in
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Dorpheen. Fuck you whale! That's the real story we need to see
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If Arnie is in AVATAR 2, Maybe have him play Quaritch's mule mean evil brother or something like that. I would rather Arnold and Cameron start something new instead of have Arnie pop up in a sequel to a film he wasn't in. Jim did want Arnie as a military bad ass in ALIEN 5 once. Maybe Arnie and Cameron should buy the DOC SAVAGE rights and do it as a BIG action adventure during WWII like RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK.
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I had a quick read and it did seem like Camerons prose. And lol yea your probably right about Billy, he most likely was having an episode when he wrote it with Cameron and just recognised a guy from The Abyss, as the only Todd Graff on Imdb is Alan 'Hippy' Carnes from The Abyss?!?
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AND FUCK YOU COW!!!
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It just remains to be seen what that will be. It COULD conceivably be the next project, since Cameron's plans, subject to change, are to do 8 or 9 months preproduction on his next project, go off on an expedition near the end of this year, then come back and immediately go into shooting the film. So that gives Arnold enough time to be out of office - which occurs in Jan 2011 I think. But in all likelihood, it will be the one after that. And, even though I'd like to see it, I don't see it being TL2, since he has already said there are no plans for it. It could be an entirely new project we know nothing about. It'd be cool if Cameron could do another R-rated project again, and with a relatively smaller budget of $100 million or so, I think he would easily be given carte-blanche to do so. I don't think BA will be R, though - I'm pretty sure he said it would be PG-13, sine even though the fights would be violent and there would be lots of blood, it would still be PG-13 since all the blood would be blue cyborg blood (or other colors than red), which is acceptable to the MPAA.
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...um if Arny is goin to have a role in Avatar, shouldnt he be a Navi? he is old as fuck, cant speak good english, and shouldnt be able to do any cool action... so just CGI him and make him battle Marcus Perseus Sully for tribe leader...
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It's the only way to be sure.
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Jan 06, 2010 3:00:39 PM CST
UGG - that's right, Todd Graph from The Abyss
by turd_has_risen_from_the_grave
and a small appearance in Strange Days (which was a scene that actually has some thematic fore-shadowing of Avatar). I think the guy (Milligan) was nuts (well, pretty obviously, if you've read the script), and claimed that he'd trained about 6 or 7 different A-list actors to play him as well.
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Jan 06, 2010 3:01:34 PM CST
Gawd, Turd, did you hack into his Outlook calender or sumthin'?
by royston lodge
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The Expendables may give me a fix but I need King Conan
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Cameron has Carte Blanche, so he should make a 150 million budget CRUSADE with Arnie. It would be a lower budget film than AVATAR and be a nice risk that could pay off, much like TITANIC. The best thing about doing CRUSADE is that Arnie owns the project. So Cameron could do as many re-writes as possible to update the script and make it his own. I've been saying this forever but if Arnie and Cameron are gonna do a new film together, make it the legendary epic knight tale. Fuck, Jim would make Ridely Scott's ROBIN HOOD look like shit and challenge GLADIATOR. Arnie's Hagan can be as bad ass as Maximus!
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As far as delivering the underpants staining and then reduction to smithereens sensation of being subject to a nuclear blast, no movie has a scene as good as the nuclear blast in T2.
Nukes also go off in Aliens and True Lies, filling in the #2 and #3 slots for best nuke blast shots.
Return of the Living Dead has a surprisingly good one, for a movie that is firmly set on ground level up to that point in the story (aside from the shot that climbs into the clouds).
The only good part of Crystal Skull for me was when Indy looked up at the atomic blast. That was awe inspiring and didn't go on long enough. Technically it's just the mushroom cloud and not the blast.
The nuke blast in The Peacemaker looked cheap even in 1997.
The Day After has a nuke blast that looked okay in 1983, especially for TV. Even though it's a bit stylized, there is an x-ray effect on the people shown being exposed to the flash, which drives home the fact that it's extremely fuckign bright and it's not just light but harmful radiation.
I can't think of any other nuke scenes that stand out. They really cheaped out in Independence Day, showing a nuke going off by having the night vision screens in the picture go blurry and shaking the camera.
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forgot about that one. Also I think the Avatar universe is now a fountain for good tales, just think if they find another Alien race and need to create a whole new Avatar, the franchise could go forever! Or until they do an Aliens, Predator crossover.
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Miracle Mile, all of LA gets nuked. Looks very good for a movie that was obviously made for about as much money as my mom makes selling sugar pills every year.
'Til Dawn's Early Light, a few nukes go off. The one time a blast is shown onscreen, it's behind a mountain so you only see the surrounding light of the flash. Points for style. There are other blasts in the movie but all done by showing the actors indoors for the most part.
Also Terminator 3, which has the most nukes, that's for sure. Being rendered from Earth orbit altitude makes it sort of sterile.
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in 3 weeks....kick...major...ass (thanks imAx inflation)
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Making white America look like shit = big overseas box office.
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Think about it.
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can't think of any better myself, and when I google for some it just offers back "Did you mean Best movie NUDE scenes?" As for movies where they don't go of, Along with The Abyss, I bet theres a few Tom Clancy ones? Red October springs to mind?
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Too bad that very scene also contained one of the stupidest things I've ever seen.
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Even the Abyss featured nuclear weapons.
So, he's had nukes in like 5/8 of his movies (I have yet to see Avatar). The man has a deep seated hatred of mankind (I approve!) NOT Americans. He should just make a Zombie movie and get it out of his system already. -
Apparently Netflix and WB have agreed to terms which would make Netflix subscribers wait 28 days (four weeks!) from a DVD's street date until Netflix could begin shipping WB new releases to their customers!
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you know the weeks leading upto the release of smurfs in space.. that movie that was gonna bomb and be shit and destroy Cameron career??? there was some pretty vocal people on here... 3rd highest grossing movie of all time... hahaha and its still in the cinemas! fuck you lot must be cringing now with those outstanding predictions
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I hate going to the RedBox!!!!! Pain in the ass!!!
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Jan 06, 2010 3:28:14 PM CST
cameron will make a serious, heartfelt, tragic story about the b
by thebaxter
but the 3D will be AWESOME!
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Nuclear brinksmanship is one of my favourite genres. I realize all the movies named don't fall under that genre.
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Yeah I've noticed that too. Turns out the movie was actually pretty good. Those guys shut the fuck right up. Either that or their voices are just so tiny compared to all the Avatar love. But I'm fully prepared for a backlash at some point. If it could happen to Dark Knight, it'll happen to Avatar.
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Your schtiq with the "q" shit is getting old. It's not funny, qool, or quirky ... it makes you looq liqe a fuqing retard.
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To make "HIROSHIMA", doing for the nuking of Japan what he did for the sinking of the Titanic. Which is to say the cultural memory going forward will associate it with Kate Winslet's gazooms.
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Has anyone seen Locke, or ZombieHeath, or... I forgot the rest... but I haven't seen many of em.
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Neo nazis nuked an american city. I can't remember if it looked good or bad. I think it was fairly effective but not all that explicit. In other words I think they showed the initial flash and then cut away to some props cement being smashed and then faded to black.
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Thank you. You just saved me a whole bunch of rant.
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...but now Im just a guy lol... it was impressive visually, but like EVERYONE says and knows, story very predictable and cliche...even tho I did feel bad for those that died throughout the movie... but yea, Avatar is nothin special... now Transformers 2 and XMen 3 on the other hand, very special
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Jan 06, 2010 3:40:52 PM CST
Autodidact, I just remember the blast killed Morgan Freeman
by mattmanreturns
and killed any remaining interest I had in the movie along with him.
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backlash or no backlash, Darkknight & Avatar have went down in movie history and the haters have just shown themselves to be pedantic little cellar dwellers. I am loving the amount of praise and money that smurfs in ferngully 2 is making, cracks me up no end
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...I highly doubt Ill rewatch Avatar... thats what makes a good movie for yourSTEPDADDy, the ability to enjoy the movie dozens of times...
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...I hated how Avatar ended wit the "LOST" boom...
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It would seem kinda silly not to show any explosions in that particular movie.
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fuck this site is populated by dropkicks. A movie makes in excess of a billion dollars and people keep picking at it like their own zits. Get out of the fucking basement.
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you reallly like shit..dont you...TranyFormers 2 and Xmen 3?..Really? Eff off
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the first time i was blown away by everything in it and was overwhelmed with all the 3d/effects, 2nd time around i settled in and just enjoyed the hell out of every minute of it. The guy is total legend.. 10year hiatus and he comes back with a movie that'll more than likely be the 2nd biggest grossing film of all time... fucking genius!
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There are lots of movies where I loved it so much that when I walked out of the theatre I said to myself, "self, do not see this movie again. If you watch it a second time, you'll start to notice the mistakes."
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Shows some test blasts in, I believe, Almagordo New Mexico. Or was it Nevada?
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domoarigato mr. roboto.
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Yeah, I mean I didn't think Avatar was the greatest movie ever... but I don't think anyone could come out of that movie seriously unimpressed, and I'd feel sorry for anyone who did. My eyeballs were fucked.
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and haters well and truly silenced...
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Jan 06, 2010 3:58:21 PM CST
Someone needs to explain the "Cameron is anti-American" thing to
by chewtoy
His movies definitely take a "Shooting things isn't always the best solution" kind of bend, as well as a "scorched Earth wars are bad" one, but, honestly... duh. Those are hardly radical stances to take, and the vast majority of Americans agree with them (hence no great backlash against Avatar, as conservative pundits predicted.) Anyone with the tiniest moderate leanings knows that an unchecked military can get out of control very quickly, and that's what Cameron shows us. It's another leap of logic entirely to say that this somehow equates to him showing us that America's military is unchecked and evil. America's military isn't in space fighting 10ft. blue people. (Hell, even in the movie they're mercenaries and not "Americans"... is there any evidence America still exists in Avatar's timeline?)
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Even though the first Americans were all about that. If that's anti-American then I am proudly anti-American.
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...1st Quantize, I admit I sound like Im hatin but when I say special I dont mean by numbers... in that case, isnt Hannah Hotanna and High School Musical special? what I mean is feelin satisfied by the movie... sure my eyes liked what it saw, but it did nothin everlastin for me (even tho I admit, I was caught up when people/smurfs were dyin)... a lot of you AICN people hate movies for not bein original or predictable but youre gonna let Avatar slide cuz it looked nice? hypocrisy! and also I dont live in the basement, I just have a regular room on the 3rd floor lol
...to MattForce I admit my taste differs greatly from AICN and most of the TBers... call it nature vs nuture... Im 25 and not like many of you so of course my taste is different... a lot of you guys are older and some of you are actual geeks (meanin your life revolves round Trek, Star Wars, etc, not a diss you are who you are) who actually watch movies from yesteryear (gosh, you're so knowledgable bout movies cuz Citizen Kane is your fave movie and the greatest of all time)... I liked Trannyformers 2 cuz it was fun (Im not a geek who goes apeshit cuz a toy I played wit has fire on it) and sure it was racist, but it was funny (and Im a minority so its ok I liked it right?)...XMen 3 was fun and had battles whereas Singers Xmen was just borin and slow (I liked X2 the most...until I seen the trailer for X3)...I admit, story is bad but only cuz Cyclops died... he NEEDED to be in it...
Royston, lol yea TBs sorta ruined the greatness of Dark Knight, but I still love that movie (mainly cuz Joker is my fav char of all time behind Bats)... even tho I know of the faults, watchin DK is still good... Avatar on the other hand, theres is NOTHIN ill like to rewatch... not the dragon scene... the laughable Navi holdin cripple scene... the war... etc... nothin Ill like to rewatch... -
Jan 06, 2010 4:06:15 PM CST
Just watched Fat Man & Little Boy's version of the Trinity test.
by royston lodge
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From 2:55 to 3:12 that shot is cool.
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This is going to be a doc, not even Camerson can spin this tragic tale into something resembling entertainment. Maybe Spielberg, but definitely not Camerson.
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...meanin I will have like 5 TBers callin me names and I wont be able to defend myself until later, which by then, theyll be gettin ready to take the trash out for mommy... gosh I need AICN on my cell...
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...can you comment in Tbs on your cell phone? thinkin of upgradin just so I can TB anytime... that and so I can look at porn...
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...can you comment in Tbs on your cell phone? thinkin of upgradin just so I can TB anytime... that and so I can look at porn...
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...not out of malice though. I just think it'd be funny! ;-)
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Jesus don't go and admit to liking a Bay film ffs, don't you know? AICN Talkbackers aren't allowed to like a film the small minority of super geeks on here don't like.... thought you'd realize that by now.. as for calling you a name, I'm gonna go with Monkeyfudge
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go with an iphone.. but sure they probably hate apple round these parts as well
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and then say you liked Transformers 2. No one's been able to offer any real evidence of plot holes in Dark Knight that can't easily be explained, apart from the amount of cops Two Face killed (and even that one can be interpreted a certain way). Just because you didn't understand something doesn't mean it's a plot hole.
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i have 5eps of HD Stargate universe about to finish downloading and i only started it when i first logged on here
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Wakka wakka!
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Titanic, Avatar, Return Of The King, Dead Man's Chest and TDK. These 5 films are proof enough that big box office don't necessarily equate quality. Let's start with Dead Man's Chest - a heluva lot weaker than Curse of the Black Pearl. ROTK in my opinion, the weakest of the Lotr trilogy (TTT being the best). TDK was great but also flawed. Titanic and Avatar will be the two highest grossing films, but can anyone put either of them in their five most favorite films of all time? Not even close. And look at the films immediately below - Phantom Menace, Shrek 2, Independence Day, Half Blood Prince? The studio suits are the only ones who should be popping champagne corks at Avatar's grosses. Unless you actually have money invested in that film, talking about it's box office as a positive is pretty lame.
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Avatar was 'nothing special' but Transformers 2 and X Men 3 were? hahahaha! A lot of jokers on this site, but you take the cake.I swear some people who post here just want attention. If they are truly sincere, then the human race is fucked.
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that's why it's such a great financial success. Just like Titanic Dead Man's Chest Harry Potter Spider-man 3 The Phantom Menace Transformers 2 Twilight Paul Blart Paranormal Activity Can anyone tell me about how great and original Avatar's story is... or how wonderful the characters are.. how about the "AWESOME" dialogue ...cool themes ...breathtaking original score? You can't tell me, because Avatar has none of these things.
Read some of the critically acclaimed reviews for Avatar = Story characters and dialogue don't matter anymore, when you have 3D that doesn't poke you in the face along with 4 years and 300million dollars worth of CGI
A wonder to behold, a story to forget.
The year's most ambitious film is so breathtaking, it detracts you from the fact that Cameron's characters are caricatures, and too much of the dialogue is stock.
And with this, the film decade comes to a disappointing conclusion.
... a largely humorless movie that plays like the sensitive white man-goes-native saga,
Dances with Wolves in Outer Space.
Cameron's eye-popping visuals are the story, particularly
because the actual narrative is too simple to sustain the 150-minute run time.
Breaks technological ground with stunning visuals, but disappoints on story and characters - which still do matter.
There is plenty of gee-whiz technology to keep the audience marveling over how they did this and that, so that, with any luck,viewers won't dwell too long on the derivative, unimaginative story and the shallow characters.
Adjectives such as "beautiful" and "breathtaking" have been thrown at Avatar, and they're apt. But I'll throw in a third B: Boring.
Cameron is flexing his creative muscles, but the film never overcomes the nagging feeling that he's also simply going through the motions.
By the time the big battle rolls around in the last quarter we've had enough of Pandora and the Na'Vi and Avatar,
and are ready to take another five-year vacation from James Cameron.
This movie feels exactly like watching your friend play the greatest video game ever.
It looks pretty, but eventually gets boring.
Avatar is great to look at, often astonishing and sometimes beautiful. But, oh, is the story pedestrian.
After a second viewing at a better theater, I feel this movie is more fresh than rotten.
The stunning visuals are slightly better than the unoriginal plot and horrendous dialogue.
This movie takes itself way too seriously; there are no cute or funny moments, no rah, rah, nothing.
I didn't love this movie or hate it. It''s one big blurry pile of meh.
It's a remote-control movie experience, a high-tech "wish you were here" scribbled on a very expensive postcard.
The technical wizardry is at the service of a recycled plot and a script rife with cardboard characters...
and dialogue that sounds as though it had been lifted from the pages of a third-rate comic book.
Everyone recites their lines, awkwardly laying out exposition, speaking their clunky dialogue. None of this is supposed to matter,
because we're presumably busy marveling at all the money on display.
While Cameron is justifiably proud of the groundbreaking special effects, the actual contents of the film --
the story, the characters, the dialogue -- are disappointingly mediocre.
It's rare to recommend seeing a movie for its effects alone, but that's exactly the case here.
...but for all the visual depth, there is little depth to the characters or the conflicts.
his characters are one-dimensional, rarely saying anything unexpected.
a beautiful folly, a technical wonder that represents a failure of nerve.
Avatar falls short with its story
Predictable story, clichéd dialogue and logical lapses aside,
most expensive ad for a video game ever made.
there's also a lot of eye-rollingly silly stuff.
If only Cameron, who also wrote the script, had spent as much time on the story as he did the effects he uses to tell it.
nothing more than just another movie with lots of stuff going boom
Avatar may be a technical masterpiece, but there are deep storytelling flaws that keep the film from working as the complete experience promised by the visual expertise.
We're not here for the plot
Did everything make sense? Nope.
Cameron only cares that his characters are three dimensional visually. And he certainly doesn't care that his story is hackneyed, corny and trite.
The demand for awe starts to grind the film down after the introductory, new-car-smell period, soon left with only one-dimensional characters making predictable choices while the backgrounds flashdance to stave off dramatic inertia.
Cameron plainly has higher priorities than detailed characterizations.
The muscular, coming-atcha visuals trump the movie's camp dialogue and corny conception, but only up to a point.
The corniest movie ever made about the white man's need to lose his identity and assuage racial, political, sexual and historical guilt.
While its cinematic impact may not quite rise to the hubristic heights some have speculated,
While visually perfect, Avatar suffers from a story that is unoriginal and a script that lacks emotional connection.
With Avatar, a cinematic revolution doesn't begin so much as proceed into its next phase. Avatar sucked at you all know it sucked. It's just a little bit better than the rest of the horse shit movies you've seen. Due to 300million dollars worth of CGI and 3D that's not in a Kids film or 3D that relies on poking you in the eyes. -
Need I point out the irony?
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Jan 06, 2010 4:25:51 PM CST
"The Billion Dollar Club Ain't That Great"
by turd_has_risen_from_the_grave
There's no pleasing some people. Kindly send me some of that dough, Mr. Cameron, if it isn't all it's cracked up to be just like the plebs here say. Oh, wait - it is.
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about a movie that broke a billion dollars in 17days, but sure go watch citizen kane in your basement and lament the loss of classical film making while the rest of us.. you know, go out and get entertained by movies
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a fucking inbred. You should have been drowned at birth.
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First he survived a bomb by hiding in the fridge then he survived the allllll around bomb that was the Crystal Skull movie. He did survive right?
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the nuke bombings were only about 2 things:
1.revenge for the Perl Harbor tragedy,although it was not a surprise attack,Japan had already warned the US government about the impending war with them,if USA was not going to agree with some of Japan's demands.
2.Since USA was at that time,the only country in possession of the most honorific weapon ever made,the government simply wanted to make a point: We are now in charge of the world,and if you fuck with us,we will fuck with you harder.
Got it? And its ironic that the only country who makes such a big campaign against terrorism and the threat of Weapons of Mass Destrustrion,is also the only country who has used such weapons against another country.
ps.Where are the WOMD,that Hussein supposedly had? oh right..sorry i forgot,the war about oil not weapons...damn my memory -
by Avatar's awesomeness.Now stfu and expect from now on,to shit radioactive turds.you pathetic troll.
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The Phantom MenaceBatman and Robin
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I love it. Avatar fucked you so hard up the ass that you're having trouble seing straight, you arrogant, incomprehensible little bastard. Thus, you are furiously pounding away in impertinent rage, chubby little fingers a-go go, venting your impotent spleen in the vain hope someone will listen. One can only pity you, since you truly embody every cliche of the fat, self-loathing basement dweller living a miserable and useless existence. Begone with you, you waste of space. Avatar - Huge gross. Great movie. Critically acclaimed. Game changer. Popular with audiences. Possible Golden Globe win and Oscar Noms (I dearly hope so to further enrage your futile and pathetic anger). One doesn't need to lie about these things or wallow in self-delusion like you - it simply is the case, and came to pass. Game over for you. The end.
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Nice to know that in the past few months you haven't done anything to...Increase your intelligence.
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people spend 15 mins of their live's writing a load of shit no one will ever read, putting in paragraph breaks and all, hahah you fuckin knobhead
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even before the movie was released, so call it what? A MONTH of your life typing about a movie you hate. Wow
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I logged onto here wit my phone, i guess it helps if ya use the right password... and thanks for the new names fellas lol
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... i didnt complain bout plot holes in tf2 cuz its a glorified toy commercial wit intentions of just showin robots transform and battle... its a fun movie, if ya didnt enjoy it cool (unless you enjoyed gi hoe, then youre an idiot)... DK plot hole or logic or idea i didnt like was gordon fake death... it was pointless and what, was he hidin in the back of the truck? other than that... great movie
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"It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt"
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... like me!
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They can make up that he's half European. Plenty of Hong Kong actors they can cast as well.
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I, as a dirty moneygrubbing capitalist, agree with the premise but i do find it hi-larious that the folks out there defending a movie that is little more than a screed against selfish materialism would point to its grosses as "proof" of its artistic quality.
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"the war about oil not weapons"
Right, you turd. That war about oil. In which we won, but are paying more than ever for oil. If you weren't so retarded, you might recognize that very little of our oil comes from Iraq, and most from outside the middle east. And how much oil do we get from Afghanistan? "War for Oil" is a pathetic attempt by the intellectually lazy on the left to paint the US as terrorist and greedy. "The US attacked Iraq because of the oil companies and the cowboy Bush." Really, you guys can do better than that. Hell, the Bush vendetta against Hussein crowd probably has a better argument than you war for oil turds. Was Bill Clinton in on it too? He said Saddam had WMD too. How about any of the other countries that demanded Saddam turn over WMD? Were they all in on it too?And in regards to WWII, it was the bombs that caused Japan to fold. Better to stretch the war out, potentially killing millions more on both sides? The US flexed its muscle when it needed to in order to end war that cost tens of millions of lives around the world. But that's OK, your blind hatred for the US prevents you from understanding that. -
more people enjoyed the flick than hated it they then recommended it to their friends who also in turn enjoyed it and so on and so on.. so yeah grosses sometimes in the case of Avatar do count as proof of artistic quality as it the end of the day, just cause you and few others hated it doesn't mean that your right, but a fucking billion dollars means that i along with the vast majority liked it placing you squarely in the fucking wrong category..
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Jan 06, 2010 5:25:03 PM CST
...link to the short version of the NPR story on this guy...
by flickapoo
...get your fingers out of each other's buttholes for a second and read up on this guy...amazing...http://tinyurl.com/ykmxjj9
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Jan 06, 2010 5:32:58 PM CST
I don't believe in wasting our soldier's lives on a hunch
by mattmanreturns
Which is exactly what we did. And WMDs were never found, btw.
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Jan 06, 2010 5:34:51 PM CST
Well, to be fair, it is about oil, but not in the way most peopl
by royston lodge
It's not about getting cheap oil for America. It's about keeping cheap oil out of the hands of countries like China or, more specifically, preventing America's enemies from making lots of money by selling oil to China - money which they can then use to fund terrorism.
I don't really want to get sucked into the debate. I just thing BOTH the "it's all about oil" crowd AND the "it's not about oil" crowd are off-base on this one.
Of course it's about oil, but only insofar as oil is an important part of geopolitical strategy.
Oh wait, that's far too intellectual a post for me. Uh...
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enough with the documentaries and blue people. Go watch TRINITY and BEYOND and get to making BATTLE ANGEL.
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You need to stop reading the liberal talking points, because it makes you sound really ignorant.
The United States is not the first country to use weapons of mass destruction. Germany used poison gas all the time in WWI. Which is before WWII in case you didn't know.
Also in order to end WWII, which Japan started, two things had to happen. 1) Either invade Japan and conquer it, or 2) Japan surrenders unconditionally. After the American experiences at Iwo Jima and Okinawa, it became clear the Japanese were not going to surrender. I'm sure you are aware of the mass civilian suicides on Okinawa and the kamikaze planes during the last portion of the war.
When the US was planning the assault on mainland Japan, it was estimated the Allies would take one million casualties, and of course Japan would take more than that.
The United States warned Japan they had a devastating weapon they would unleash on them if the did not surrender. Japan told the U.S. to fuck off. So in order to not have to send one million Americans / Brits / Russians to their deaths, the US dropped the first atomic bomb on Hiroshima.
Japan still refused to surrender, so the second bomb was dropped, which led to the Japanese finally coming to their senses.
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Lots of pundits, even those on the "left", say that Saddam THOUGHT he had WMDs. The suggestion is that his generals and his scientists told him that he had them, cuz if they admitted that they had failed to develop them he would have cut off their heads (if they were lucky).
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Jan 06, 2010 5:39:20 PM CST
The Hamilton sisters are getting cooked right now on AMC
by alfred_packer
Nice...
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we're not doing anything about. Because we're scared.
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Jan 06, 2010 5:45:03 PM CST
You think the US should declare war on China? Russia? Pakistan?
by royston lodge
Surely not.
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But it does bring into question why it's okay to use it as an excuse to attack a country that doesn't actually have them.
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The US had already firebombed Tokyo, quickly killing more people than Fatman and Little Boy combined, with even more people dying of their wounds later on. So the US knew that it would take something REALLY big for the Japanese government to finally throw in the towel. The nukes were really a demonstration of how easily the USA COULD wipe every Japanese city off the map, IF they didn't surrender.
Not excusing the use of nukes. Just trying to add a little perspective.
Dammit! Enough of this serious talk!
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Jan 06, 2010 5:51:09 PM CST
Basic Sun Tzu war theory. Don't fight if you can't win.
by royston lodge
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Jan 06, 2010 5:53:02 PM CST
regarding Tokyo firebomb, I didn't make my point very well...
by royston lodge
The point is, if Japan wouldn't surrender EVEN AFTER Tokyo was firebombed, that was pretty decent evidence that something really big would be necessary. That's the point I was, clumsily, trying to make.
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You've been owned by several people already. However, you can't recognize it because you are so zealous. This conversation is fucking pointless. Don't know why I posted a response to you in the first place.
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Second resident evil? Also this has some good real nuclear test footage.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRC5KDqpZ_IIf you're interested in the subject try Richard Rhodes' book The Making of the Atomic Bomb. Awesome piece of history.
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Guys, this IS Battle Angel. Cameron's just doing research to be able to better understand the viewpoint from someone living in a post-apocalyptic world.
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But nice Sun Tzu reference. I love Art of War.
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clearly that's what this is all about.
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go read the Rape of Nanking or any other book on the atrocities the japs committed during ww2.. they thoroughly deserved it, granted it was the innocents that got it in the neck but heck it was the innocents in the rest of asia that got it in the back from the japs so eye for an eye and all that...
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We took out Saddam because Neo Cons and Zionists have long held that any non-Western aligned Muslim nations in the Middle East are a direct threat to Israel. After the successful invasion of Afghanistan Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and other hardliners in the Administration overcame the moderates such as Powell and convinced Bush to use preemptive and unilateral action to take out any and all threats to "democracy" (ie Israel) in the Middle East with political cover from similar minded Jews on the Left (Liberman etc), intellegensia (Dershowitz) and media (Wolf Blizter etc). We are continuing that policy to this day: Iraq, Iran, Syria are all on the list. After we take those out it's probably North Korea... not because we think they might attack our East Asian allies but because they supply missles that can hit Israel from elsewhere in the Middle East (and I guess post Cold War Israel dictates foreign policy for the US all around the world). You're seriously a moron. The one country in the Middle East that does have WMD nukes is Israel. Seems like if we truly were trying to disarm that region we wouldn't be conducting war on countries that dont even have nukes on behalf of the one that actually does is it? You're the problem with the US, you have random conspiracy theories up the wazoo but the ones that actually exist (HMO collusion, tort conspiracy) go way over your heads.
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To my knowledge jim cam has only done one sequel (to a fliq of his own), and as awesome as that was I personally don't thinq another one is needed for avatar. I understand why she had to die for the story's sake yet still wished Sigourney's charaqter lived.
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Even the Japanese themselves suffered greatly under Fascism, not to mention the great hardship and racism that Japanese Americans endured due to their heritage. Japanese Fascism was identical to German Fascism and ending the war quickly not only greatly helped our Allies (China, Korea, Russia) but helped shock Japanese society into changing. The only thing we did wrong was post war when American intellectuals enamored of Japanese culture convinced the US Military government to let the majority of Japanese war criminals off the hook (unlike with Germany and Italy, who we executed by the score) which even has ramifications to this day in the form of the fringe ultra-nationalist movement in Japan. Japan has moved on from its Fascist past but unlike Germany is not taught about its crimes and refuses to acknowledge the great violence it perpetrated on its neighbors.
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you avoided answering it.cheerio.
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you avoided answering it.cheerio.
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Yet some people still attaq others using another of their sign in names to make it look like it's someone else when it's still the same socially stunted idiot who not only doesn't have the saq to say something in real life, but doesn't have the saq to type something under their usual sign in name. PathetiQ.
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And you "made a question" that ignored my other points. Good going. The fact is, oil is MUCH more expensive now than before the war. A gallon of "GASOLINE" (not oil like you wrote) is 2-3 times what it was in the US prior to 2001.
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His story is devastating and people need to see it on the screen. Cameron should direct the film. He will win best director for this film, should he focus it on Mr. Yamaguchi and the U.S. attacks that he lived through.
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...tonight!!!
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you understand my point,but you dont wat to acknowledge it,so thats enough for me.
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i read it in imdb too,that avatar is 20m away from becoming no2 !!!! jesus
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The blind jew-hate. We should be disarming Israel? Let's see, how many other nations has Israel taken over (and don't start with the Palestine crap). Fact is, Israel's WMD are deterrents against nations that want to exterminate their people, and Israel is not a threat to expand and take over the Middle East. I don't seem to recall Israeli leadership calling for the extermination of an entire people (like Ahmadinejad). Oh, and I didn't realize that Obama was imminently about to launch attacks on Syria and Iran. I mean, I missed the coverage of the troop build up in the Middle East. Oh wait, that's right, troop levels are going down in Iraq, while increasing in Afghan. I thought that Obama was all about "repairing" our image to the world. I'm not saying Bush was perfect, in fact, he did a terrible job in many aspects. But I think you are just out for Republican blood, with crackpot theories that Israel controls everything the US does, guided partially by anti-semitism.
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... PWNED several times over already.
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Look. I'm against the atomic bomb on principle. I dread a nuclear holocaust. But man, was Hirohito asking to get nuked or what?
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Jan 06, 2010 6:43:31 PM CST
LAMERZ - DID YOU KNOW MAHMOUD AHMADINEJAD IS JEWISH?
by bringingsexyback
Well now you do. Makes for a great dinner conversation topic.
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To rake in so much cash, man I didn't see that coming. When I saw it with some friends we thought it was alright but I thought it would only be only a little bit profitable, relatively speaking. hope he (James Cameron) moves on to other things, though, because I can wait to see pandora again, I'd rather have him develop another new idea.
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Jan 06, 2010 6:47:12 PM CST
I'M INTERESTED TO KNOW WHETHER THIS ATOMIC HOLOCAUST SURVIVOR
by bringingsexyback
was a supporter of his emperor's war or was he against Japanese aggression? That would affect my outlook quite a bit.
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But I am ecstatic about how its success has shut the haters up but good. They're entitled to their opinions, but not to being so annoying.
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All of their weapons and munitions were tested against live human targets. Every bomb, chemical weapon, projectile, etc, was used on live human subjects. They use to dissect people while they were still alive, with no anesthetic so they could see how long can a man survive once of his major organs were inoperable. All of their Airplanes bombs, were used against live targets they would tie up next to the airfield and let them have it. They were so sadistic I don't fell bad anymore that we dropped the atomic bomb on them.
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look up and you'll see a big, thick, veiny blue Na'vi cock about to blow its load all over your face with TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION.
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but can deliver some of the best, awesomest onscreen action. He certainly lives by the old credo - kill pixels, not people.
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Now certain fans of another "franchise" might get jealous and try to make the next installment in their "saga" a billion dollar movie, too. Maybe James is studying atomic bombs because he's gonna hit us with some if that happens?
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Jan 06, 2010 6:57:38 PM CST
IN ALL FAIRNESS, THE WEST CREATED THE JAPANESE MONSTER
by bringingsexyback
We industrialized them and gave them the means and the mentality to do what they did. If not for us, they might have lived by an older, honorable code.
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He crawls out of the rubble after the Hiroshima blast, takes a look around and thinks, "fuck, I'm going someplace safe before they hit this place again! Hmm, I got relatives in Nagasaki, that should be pretty safe ..." I think if a nuke blasted my town I'd be like, "You know what? This'll be the LAST place they bomb again, so I'm sticking right here."
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Jan 06, 2010 7:00:58 PM CST
I'M JUST GLAD THE BOMBS DIDN'T FALL ON KUROSAWA AND MIFUNE
by bringingsexyback
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bwHhHhHhahahahahaah. sorry but that's fucking hilarious. jett belongs in the internet hall of fame for that one.
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I remember hearing that after Titaniq made so much money he gave like a million each or so to DiCaprio, Winslet, maybe some other folks. Hope if he does, Lang gets some of that beqause I really enjoyed his performance. So much so that I had to rewatch Publiq Enemies so I could balance out seeing him being a "badguy" that dies in Avatar by seeing him as the rough rider lawman that kills Dillinger.
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...I dont think the nukes were needed... sure japan did horrible things but what country hasnt... not like they took over korea, nearly extinct the natives, then makes a false holiday around it... japan is no where near in the top five countries that committed atrocities... ps BSB i agree wit ya post too... minus the third bomb part :(
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I used to think you were an Ok guy BSB. If that was a joke it was in very poor taste. Fuck you up your USA centric ass. Want to know who the real "evil empire" is? Post WWII, you are living in it. The Jihadists just might be right.
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Jan 06, 2010 7:11:25 PM CST
IF GODZILLA VS. THE SMOG MONSTER HAS TAUGHT US ANYTHING
by bringingsexyback
It's that we should strive for clean, renewable energy.
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Just saying...
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I love Army of Darkness. It bombed. I have no interest in the Saw movies. They make a ton of money. Just like what you like. Don't personalize movies. There are no haters, or fanboys, or whatever. The movie either spoke to you or it didn't. Me? I thought it was okay. Kinda cheesy story, nice to look at. Saw it with a hottie in IMAX 3D so that might have helped, too. And I refuse to lose any sleep over what someone else thinks about Avatar.
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Lighten up!!!! WWII was 50 years ago!!!!
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I hope you and your entire family get tortured and murdered.
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I hope you and your family get nuked and fried.
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... and don't care much about my own meaningless existence. Try another insult so that I may sardonically laugh in your face you piece of shit.
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than what God has already given you.
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Did you kill yourself or something?
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... last time I acknowledge your existence. Death and pestilence tou you and yours. You aren't fit to lick Amy Goodman's feet after she stepped in a cow pie. By the way, what' your address?
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...BSB is witty... but no longer sexy... and by the way, isnt jokesonus guy, moriarty or whover?
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Edgar Wright posted it via Twitter:http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/zz14f357dc.jpg
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... after she stepped in cow pie."
Sadly, no. But you are.
Have a nice non-life. My existence will miss the company of your meaningless one. -
with his retarded "Hey Drew, how's it hangin?" or whatever the fuck he does. I think he even called me Drew once. Basically anyone smarter than him is Drew. So all of us.
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Jan 06, 2010 7:59:27 PM CST
You mean we're getting a chance to have our faces blown off in 3
by johnno
Aw man! I'll be there in d-Box seats with a hair dryer ready!
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Just friggin clone his body and have some other marine drive it. If they can make Na'vi Avatars, they sure and heck can make Human Avatars! Maybe as we'll discover the avatar bodies can retain latent memories and the talents of the original being they were made from. And since Jim confirmed that the next movie will take place on a whole new planet/moon, I'm betting there's some sort of crazy natural spacecraft/travel thing hidden in those Pandoran woods there. Either that or they hijack an Earth ship...
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Hope she jumped out of her chopper before it went kablooey (with a breath mask). Her tanktop will be sorely missed in Avatar 2: Earth Strikes Back.
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It would be like Titanic, only without the star crossed lovers. While there's a certain morbid curiosity in watching a bunch of dismembered sailors bobbing up and down and screaming waiting for sharks to finish them off, I can't see it actually being a worthwhile movie. Same reason there isn't anyone clamoring for a Hindenburg movie. OH THE HUGE MANATEE!!
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I pray there's a scene where Albert Einstein is writing a letter to President Roosevelt where he says "Mr President, vee musst release the atomic weaponry upon zee site from high altitude ... it iz zee only way to be sure!!"
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With Kelly Choi in the titled role.
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Godzilla Attacks Pandora in 3-D!
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That's if they go ahead with it. When Lost World came out everyone said "once you've seen one rampaging dinosaur, you've seen them all". With Avatar 2 it will be "once you've seen one 9ft blue alien you've seen them all". It really doesn't matter what they do, the novelty value of these kinds of films wear off. I wouldn't be surprised if Cameron took another 12 year hiatus.
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There's at least one dramatization and several docos from over the years. Fucking horrific events. Nothing like that can ever EVER happen again if we still want to call ourselves the human race. The same goes for Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Maybe you can't really compare the bombs to Nanking but they are all acts of pure evil on a massive scale, there's no question.
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I know you are on track to make Battle Angel, but I believe with the technology from Avatar, the great story that is Neon Genesis, that you could make a brilliant movie. would be great to see giant robots done well.
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In terms of death tolls there are cities that had much higher numbers compared to Hiroshima and Nagasaki. But they are still the only two cities in the world to be hit by an atomic bomb, one bomb doing so much damage.
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She committed suicide because she was so distraught by what she encountered in her research and in talking to the survivors.
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OH THE HUGE MANATEE!!HAH,You kill me!Are there any fowl you wouldn't murder? Most is somewhat ambiguous!
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in the end of predator is nuclear.
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I guarantee you uncle Joe would have clamped down them and gave them a thorough spanking for being so mean to china.
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Looks brutal. What's worse? Dropping a bomb or raping and killing infants, pregnant women and the elderly? Sick fucks.
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the whole is greater than the sum of the parts, dickwad....yes the visuals meant a lot. So is every painting worthless because the story isn't good enough? it was an entertaining fun well done movie.
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how could you not at least get a LITTLE bit of a gigantic head about this. Especially after dealing with all the b.s. and nay-saying, then beating the odds, TWICE. And the political stuff concerning Avatar is funny... considering everything about the movie is a triumph of capitalism at its best. To bitch about politics is like throwing rocks at the sun... how can you not appreciate what an insane achievement this movie is on multiple levels? And it's only the beginning... CES just started and a few companies debuted 3D televisions. What movie do you think they're going to come with or heavily promote in connection to purchasing one?
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Rendezvous with Rama. Or a sequel to Contact. Or The Thing prequel before it made it to Earth. Alien prequel before Ridley's prequel, but between space jockeys and aliens. The world destruction in a better version The War of the Worlds. All in 3fuckingD of course.
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Sadly mass rape as a weapon did not end in WW2 (Japanese, Russians and Germany), see Yugoslavia, Rwanda and today in places like Congo. As an Aussie I also can't forget what Australian, American and other allied forces did in Vietnam, some very horrific messed up stuff there too. No excuse for the Japanese, but they basically acted like 17th/18th/19th centrury Europeans in their treatment of natives and invasions across asia, africa and the Americas.
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of the worldwide debut of his first film in 12 years, he goes to talk to a nuclear survivor to pursue his dream of making a movie about this subject - rather than whore it up with Mary Hart. Love him or hate him, you gotta admire his confidence and determination. The man strikes his own path.
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It's a cycle, no doubt. It just boggles the mind how a human being can be capable of committing such atrocities. But we live in a world where certain Avatar haters think the humans were justified in killing the Na'vi, so that just goes to show you the mentality that allows such crimes to happen.
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Jan 06, 2010 10:42:58 PM CST
Who says he is the only 'official'? and what about Battle Angel
by caipirina
according to this http://www.columbia.edu/cu/news/06/08/twicesurvived.html
there have been around 200 people doomed with experiencing both blasts (incredible) ..
I can see Cameron as a tech consultant to do a 3D doc on that ... but I really want him to get going with Battle Angel! -
He is definetely an artist, and that sounds funny talking about a guy who directed the highest grossing movie of all time, and the way things look number 2 as well. (I know not adjusted for inflation).
Compare him agaist a guy who does directing as a job, plain and simple i.e. Ratner.
Cameron seems to have all the passion and imagination that so many of us have lost or given up on, amazing guy. Am guessing though like most artisits probably a very difficult guy to deal with, as he would be incredibly obsessed with something at a time and even in his own little world, which probably is why he has been married so many times. -
There's a lot of bullshit spindoctoring propaganda from both China and Japanese regarding Nanking. Yes, the Japanese did commit atrocities in Nanking -- but to the extent the Chinese claim? Objective scholars are on the fence, due to both the Japanese and Chinese muddying the waters by falsifying research etc. That iconic photo of a Japanese soldier holding up heads, for example? Photoshopped by the Chinese. So pull your heads out of your arses and research properly. Googling wikipedia does not count.
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around him too? Idiot.
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Just wondering what your take is ...
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... and regularly slurps up dude cum and spits it into his mom's mouth. Fuck you, asshole.
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But accurate.
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The view from low orbit was spectacular. Also, the "tactical nuke" battery explosion in T3 after Arnold threw it out was pretty sweet. T2's was fucking spectacular, especially given that it was done in, what, 1991?Also, Crystal Skull, good effects on the nuke.
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two different refrigerators.
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if I got caught standing in both of the only 2 cities ever nuked.
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were mercenaries under the employ of the corporation. So if anything Cameron's secret subversive message...is the exact same one he had in Aliens...that super rich corporations that screw the little guy to make a buck are bad. So...Cameron's films can only be considered un-american if you consider America to be a sleazy corporate bully. And if that's the case, YOU'RE the unamerican one, n'est pas?
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I have ever seen. Who ARE you people?
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TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION
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James has been obsessed with atomic bombs all throughout his career.
How do you make a movie about a guy who sees two mushroom clouds.
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He made a film about blue people, into a passionate and emotionally resonating story, with outstanding visuals that only enhance the narrative. Cameron takes 200+ million dollar project, and decides to focuse more on characters and story, instead of doing alot of spectacle and explosionzzzzzzzzzz.
He's even able to make a woman's tanktop look tasteful. That whole scene with Michelle Rodriguez looking hot, was prove that Cameron is still a feminist. He shows a tough chick beating down a soldier and holding a gun convincingly, while showing her feminine beauty at the same time. That was just hot.
I think Cameron is an artist, but mostly an entertainer. He makes entertainment into a form of art, just like Michael Jackson use to do. :) -
here's the proof : tinyurl.com/yj5wzql along with other videos with Luc Besson and Sam Raimi
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The humans nuke Pandora..wiping out the Na'vi
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I'm just here to laugh at all the guys who GUARANTEED that AVATAR would fail. Convinced that it would fall on its ass. Came here day after day sneering and jeering. The dorks who saw AVATAR getting a lower opening midnight gross than that NEW MOON shit as proof it would tank. What say you now, sir's?
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and he makes movies that are really metaphors for how much he hates A
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and he makes movies that are metaphors for how much he hates America. But those movies look flashy and are in 3D and everything. So you all love them anyway and bitch on these TB that it’s really not cool of Cameron to criticize America.
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Mass murder is never good, even if it is used against the 'bad' side.
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I love how the haters only defense now is "Avatar is proof the public will eat up anything if it's half decent, or in 3D". HAHA yeah right, keep trying. Funny enough, these were the same people who the months leading up to Avatar release were SO positive James Cameron had made a terrible film, which would also be the biggest box office bomb of all time, effectively ending Camerons career. But of course like usual, these hateful nerd fantasies failed to come true, and Cameron gave them a big middle finger and came out on top, just like he did 12 years ago.
Avatar is proof tht James Cameron knows how to make a blockbuster film. If the movie were bad it's numbers would be front-ended and it's box office total would already be nearing it's peak. We all know that's now the case, as the film in only 3 weeks (with a VERY modest opening) became the 4th highest grosser worldwide, and it will soon be #2 right behind Titanic, possibly for domestic as well. Sorry assholes, your worst nightmare as come true. All you could do was sit back and make fun of his blue aliens...well his blue aliens made a killing, and are officially the first step towards the future of cinema.
And just to clarify, there were a fair amount of "decent" action films to be released, a lot of them which HAD name recognition...why aren't they doing Avatar numbers? Why didn't District 9 do Avatar numbers? And the 3D argument would work if Avatar was the first movie presented in the format, but it's not. It all comes down to the fact that Cameron is a visionary who knows what the fuck hes doing, end of story. -
Just because Avatar had a familiar story does not equate it to a bad story. And this familiar story has never shown this way before, and some of the most intriguing sci-fi ideas of the decade come from this film. But at the end of the day, Avatar is about the amazing adventure were taken on, just like Star Wars was. The story was engaging, but the real focus was Pandora, and for a blockbuster film it delivered everything it needed to. These films are the reason you go to the cinema and leave the house for once...true escapism. These are the types of films that made most of the folks here fall in love with cinema...it's true movie magic. Anyone who dismisses the film because it lacked witty dialogue, or top-notch characterization is a fool. Cameron obviously cut the film to fit IMAX, and he knew the experience was more important to people then anything else. Hopefully the cut scenes were rendered, cause we all know an extended edition would be ace.
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I don't know how much but he mentioned it an interview. It means he's getting a nice slice of the profits.
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Not when the other two huge blockbusters have been TF2 and Twilight 2. If anything it’s further evidence that Cameron has made a bland, toothless, limp movie. Sure it appeals to a lot of people but that’s because he has taken zero risks. Avatar’s success just gives the signal Hollywood that story and characters don’t mean anything so we can now expect a torrent of shitty 3D flicks. There are bright spots though. The relative success of Inglorious Basterds, the Hurt Locker and District 9 show that some people can still appreciate something original.
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Japan didn't deserve what they got.
That's a very simplistic view of war. There are never good guys & bad guys. Yes gouvernments are corrupt & leaders are sometimes evil, but the population are largely innocents caught up in the mess.
Untold numbers of innocent civilians were killed & injured in those atomic blasts.
We could argue at length about the morality of bombing civilians.The USA & Britain are killing innocents right now, every country has done it, but it doesn't change the fact that war of any sort is a complex moral dilema that can't be summarized by crass statements like they got what they deserved. -
Jan 07, 2010 6:41:02 AM CST
I'm more psyched about Blomkamp's next project than Cameron's
by sansara07
I've detected a certain amount of hate towards Neill Blomkamp by Cameron fans. Maybe because he reminds them of Cameron when he was a young, dynamic film maker who could make waves on a tiny budget? Blomkamp could be the next Cameron, District 9 was his The Terminator. And I think that irks Cameron fans. Comparing D9's box office takings with Avatar's takings is nonsensical.
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as the story goes.
Alien Nation meets the Fly meets Half-life meets the Great Escape etc.
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We're no longer enemies, but guess what, the Japanese attacked us. Does Pearl Harbor ring a bell? The US should never even consider issuing any sort of apology for the bomb. If you don't want to get attacked, then don't start a fight. Are you listening Palestine? If you don't want Israel to attack then don't fire rockets at them.
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not soldiers.there is a difference to that.
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now will you please answer my question? thank you
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on the faces of the haters.
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Jan 07, 2010 8:00:48 AM CST
And there were no civilian workers at Pearl Harbor
by grammaton cleric binks
and the Japanese never tortured any civilians, Americans or otherwise? Sorry, they did. Your argument holds no water.
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Worked out better that way.
BTW, Avatar is is just the retarded love child of Fern Gully and Dances with Wolves. Anybody with half a brain can look past the pretty pictures and realize the movie sucks. -
The movie is doing well financially, but it is still a huge, steaming pile of shit. What a waste of my fucking money.
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The Nazis weren't bad guys????? WTF? Are you retarded?
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I forgot about that abomination. Maybe I just blocked it out. Oh no, it's back.
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History has pretty much established that the dropping of the atomic bombs on Japan was entirely justified. Not only did it unquestionably save untold thousands of American and allied lives, it probably saved even more Japanese. We were laying total waste to their country utilizing carpet bombing with conventional weapons. The Japanese just would not surrender; they wouldn't do it. What we had seen was that the Japanese, for whatever reason, be it "honor" or brainwashing, preferred death to surrender. Watch WWII in HD on History, which has some pretty gruesome footage of what we could have expected if we invaded Japan. They were the BAD GUYS, if any such thing can be said to exist, and they needed not just to be stopped, but to be taught a lesson frightening enough to wake them from their mass insanity. Thus, not only was the bomb necessary, it worked. The horror of those two blasts, which killed far less people than the 24 hour carpet bombing campaign we were running, helped the Japanese people evolve past their shared savagery into the great nation they now are. As for those who say we never would have dropped the bomb on Germany, if it had been completed in time, that is utter nonsense. As soon as the bombs were developed (the two bombs used entirely different technologies to start the chain reaction) they were going to be used. Avatar, my favorite film of the year (along with Inglorious Basterds) was very anti-war, and if Cameron takes on WWII, I hope it it filtered through the reality of the war, which was that the Axis nations attacked peaceful, and in our case entirely isolationist, nations. Richard Rhodes book about the development of the bomb is excellent. I also recommend Fat Man and Little Boy, with Paul Newman as Leslie Groves (military head of the Manhattan Project)and the even better tv movie on the same subject, with Brian Denehy as Groves, and David Straithern as Oppenheimer.
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Did someone actually say that the Japanese didn't kill civilians? And that their view of war was simplistic? You don't know jack shit man. Look up the rape of Nanking on Google, as well as the history of the Phillipines under Japanese occupation. Those fuckers were THE civilian torturers and killers. The Germans bombed civilians, but were relatively civilized once you were caught (and I am leaving the Holocaust out of the equation). The Germans gave lip service to the Geneva Convention (at least as far as Americans are concerned), the Japanese did not accept it at all. There is evil. There is right and wrong. Whatever happened before, or after, during WWII the Axis powers were EVIL, they WERE the bad guys. I have to deal with this historical revisionism when my kids come home from school, where the US is pretty much portrayed as the bad guy throughout its history. It is bullshit.
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I don't think so...at the time, I believe the Japanese wanted to conditionally surrender, which was not good enough, and led to the second bomb...Speaking of google, all you need to do is look up the military commanders in the US that were against it at the time, or are part of the 'revisionist' history people speak of and who now think the second bomb was a mistake.
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I love Cameron's comment about Titanic and what he did after. "I had my f*ck-you-money." Now it looks like he has his "F*ck-you-and-the-horse-you-rode-in-on-money". I'd like to see him take on something ubercool like Silverado 2.
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Because it's an above average film (by all accounts), has hugely impressive effects, and is directed by James Cameron.
This film would not have made anywhere near this amount of money if Cameron's name wasn't attached. Brett Ratner's Avatar would have made about $100 for example.
Besides, huge BO does not mean a movie is good, Transformers 2 making so much is proof of that fact. Oh, and Bingo there's a word for people like you....sheep. "I'm on the majority side that liked the movie so Nyaaaah!" Grow up you little shit, that's playground talk. By your reasoning I take it you watch Titanic every day as it's clearly the greatest movie ever made?
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It was always going to do well, simply because tent pole movies never bomb these days as long as they are half decent. And what competition has it had? Alvin and the Chipmunks? Sherlock Holmes from Guy Ritchie was has never had a hit in his life? Add the IMAX ticket surcharges and it's current tally was preditable. The thing you have to pay attention is that the reception from the GENRE COMMUNITY has been underwhelming. This isn't about blind Cameron hatred, people who have grown up watching sci fi just don't think it's all that great. Simple as that.
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i guess you no jack shit about what they did in Greece during her 3 years occupation,and god knows what else in the other countries.
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So, using your twisted logic I guess you would believe one could attach Metallica's name to a Creed album and somehow people would continue to buy shit regardless?
Avatar is not getting return business out of some misguided loyalty to a director. Maainstream, average moviegoers...not movie geeks, only know Cameron as "that guy who directed Terminator or Titanic". It continues to succeed because it is a high quality piece of entertainment. I haven't experienced a movie like that in the theatre in a long time.
Your words indicate you haven't seen it yet. I recommend you see it. Don't assume for a second that you know the quality of this movie. It is top notch! -
Peace and Goodwill are not "PC Crap". They are worthy goals of human existence. True, one sometimes has to defend oneself, but Defense all too easily turns into Offense, Aggression, the desire for vengeance, and worse.
One could argue in favor of the destruction of civilian populations (non-combatants, women, children, babies) as military/war-time necessity, but you should ask yourself, is this the kind of person you want to be?
As for the Israeli/Palestinian conflict, it would be real nice if both sides pulled their heads out of their backsides, and practiced sharing and tolerance and stopped trying to expel or eliminate the other. They both do evil to each other. And they should stop.
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"...has been underwhelming"
I doubt that but grant it to you anyway because really...who gives a shit?
I've been reading fantasy/sci fi for years and consider me totally down with Avavtar. Sure, Cameron grounds his world in some hard science and some theoretical science but I see this movie as more fantasy than anything. Avatar is also about adventure, loyalty, friendship,love etc.
Cameron is making a movie for all people not just sci fi nerds and dorks like us. The themes transcend the genre. The same way many favorite Star Trek episodes are just westerns in space...this too is about much more than the genre itself. -
We finished it. End of discussion. Truth always trumps emotion.
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and goodwill they wouldn't have bombed Pearl Harbor. You can't start a fight, then go crying to mommy after you get hit back.
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Excellent point about Star Trek. Roddenberry called it Wagon Train to the Stars, for pete's sake.
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I also doubt that Avatar would have done as well during the summer with actual competition. The only reason Titanic made the cash it did was there was no real competition for months. There was nothing else to see. Avatar is enjoying some of the same benefits.
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Avatar will have to beat titanic to be as profitable as the Dark Knight. Also, not one kid I know gives a shit about Avatar toys or t-shirts. Merchandising just isn't there.
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Titanic made a lot of money. It is hardly a classic though. How often is showed on TV? How many people pull out their Titanic dvd's and watch them? I suspect that is where Avatar will be when the hype goes away.
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This took place in early December, and it was reported on a few agencies. I believe Yahoo posted it as well.
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"The only reason Titanic made the cash it did was there was no real competition for months. There was nothing else to see."
Really? The ONLY reason? Titanic is hardly my favorite film but I know enough to see it was a meticulously researched, detailed film, well-paced and well-edited yielding a high quality film which reaped TONS of repeat business.
"It is hardly a classic though. How often is showed on TV?" That's not a gage of whether or not it is a classic. Network and independent stations don't show movies like that anymore. Badly edited for tv movies with commercial breaks can't compete with cable/satellite and dvd viewage. Infomercials are a safer bet.
"How many people pull out their Titanic dvd's and watch them?" No one can quantify that.
Because the film is a period piece it will stand up well over the years. Almost like an historical reference in many ways...such was Cameron's fixation on detail for accuracy and timeline etc. It will not become some dated piece of shit like Gremlins or Twister.
Not that I love the film...but I was highly entertained and could easily watch it again. But Titanic will outshine many movies of the same era because it became a cultural phenomenon.
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Jan 07, 2010 11:46:35 AM CST
PEOPLE BRAVED SUBZERO BLIZZARD CONDITIONS TO CATCH AVATAR
by bringingsexyback
Hate on the movie to your black little hearts' content but that won't change the fact that Cameron succeeded beyond expectations and gave us a brilliant film / experience. People have voted, some like Flicka multiple times. There's a reason why Ash Williams slinked out of existence. The rest of you just lack the little bit of sense to give up.
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Jan 07, 2010 11:47:19 AM CST
I can't believe people are arguing over who started the Pacific
by royston lodge
Arguing over the use of nukes is one thing. There are enough variables, ambiguity, and "what-if" scenarios there to allow for a debate.
But who "started" the Pacific war? C'mon.
The US, Britain, Australia and the Netherlands stopped selling raw materials to Japan. Economic sanctions for Japan's invasions into China.
If economic sanctions in response to the invasion of another nation is justification for being sneak-attacked, then I trust everyone will start protesting the UN every time it endorses economic sanctions these days for lesser offences.
Hell, economic sanctions is always what folk say they prefer as an ALTERNATIVE to war. You can't have it both ways.
I suppose South Africa should have attacked the US over economic sanctions during the Apartheid era?
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Not a "justification", but an "explanation".
Japan had already shown that it was able to ignore one big bombing, when it shrugged off the firebombing of Tokyo.
In order to get Japan to surrender, the US had to prove they had the ability to wipe EVERY Japanese city off the face of the Earth.
So, the reasoning goes, Japan might have shrugged off one nuke just like they shrugged off the firebombing. Two nukes proved that the US had total superiority. The idea is that if Japan had not surrendered, it would have been three nukes. Then four nukes. Then five . . . -
jesus christ dont you watch documentaries? The Japan ambassador went to the USA president,told him the demands of Japan (occupation of Hawaii or something like that),otherwise they will go for war,the President refused,the Ambassador left and after a while,the Perl Harbor attack started.These events were filmed and the video was released from Japan goverment a few years ago.You might find the video in Youtube.and i think the documentary was made by National Geographic.
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thats was my second point in my earlier post.You can 'justify' the first bombing,but not the second.
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Care to name the documentary your speaking of. I don't believe occupation of Hawaii was one of Kichisaburo's demands. Your reproof of people for not watching a documentary for which you have only the scantest of details and a guess at its producer, doesn't add much credence to your statement. In fact negotiations to prevent a Japanese/US conflict were still ongoing at the time of the attack.
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A man who is a master of aestheticizing violence, while at the same time condemning it. It's bad, but oh so fun to watch.
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Jan 07, 2010 12:43:03 PM CST
Some Japanese officials were denying the first bomb . . .
by royston lodge
. . . was even atomic. Those officials sent pretty good signals during August 7 to 9 that one bomb wasn't going to do the trick. Other intelligence suggests that the first bomb might not have been necessary, because the Soviet Union's entry into the war was making make Japanese leaders shit their pants.
It's not a debate I'm willing to take a side on, because the facts on the ground at the time were way too muddy, and intel was too contradictory. -
Because you sure as hell don't speak for me or any so-called 'genre community'. Still, I would expect no less from an individual who thinks Avatar 2 = The Lost World. The day Cameron tosses out as lazy and uninspired a sequel as that is the day you can stick a fork in him.Also, the other dude above, who apparently thinks that Cameron's name above the title ensured its grosses. Cameron's name don't mean shit to Joe Public. He's a well-known director, but not a household name like Spielberg (he's starting to become one now). Doesn't mean a damn thing as regards Avatar's mass success.Time to give it up, haters and petty critics. It's over.
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Jan 07, 2010 12:55:20 PM CST
Also, got to love the whole "oh yeah, it was always
by turd_has_risen_from_the_grave
going to do well because its expensive/ atent pole/ directed by Cameron/ no competition" schtick that's coming out now, not to mention all the "yeah, great visuals but predictable stoy" crap. Weren't you clowns predicting disaster for Avatar, declaring that it was going to be the biggest financial bomb in history, that Chipmunks and Holmes werew going to knock it into oblivion, that it'd be forgotten in a week, be worse than Batman & Robin, etc.; not to mention that it was going to be a techical clusterfuck disaster, like a third-rate cartoon or a videogame? But now these aspects are a done thing?Absolutely - fucking - pathetic.
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Didn't Cameron talk about a film about the Atomic Bomb and Japan a while ago.
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Jan 07, 2010 1:07:21 PM CST
Avatar has now passed ROTK in worldwide grosses
by turd_has_risen_from_the_grave
Cameron now has top 2 biggest grossing films of all time. Give this man a medal."I'm the King of the Universssseeee!!!!!"
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god bless him
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They're reportedly relating to the story of a monolithic force raping their land and displacing them. I'm sure they're not crying "white guilt" or "noble savage" in their cinemas! They're relating to the fucking characters, god forbid.
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I don't think Cameron necessarily condemns violence, just unnecessary, uncalled-for aggression. His protagonists are often warriors.
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to make 700 million to make a profit. I don't buy that shit. It was about 267 mil to produce and spent a whopping 130ish on advertising. Well that's around 400mil.
It's approaching 400mil US. The US amount will cover the film. All foreign grosses would be then pure profit. It's at 757mil. Hell of an investment. Even if it was 700 mill to see a profit turn it around then. The foreign grosses pay for the film(if it stopped now) and the US grosses is pure profit. Pretty fucking sweet either way.
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... I think this is the point a lot of conservatives miss when they condemn ALL liberals as limp-wristed peaceniks. Wide swaths of liberals are in favor of taking on enemies in just situations. It's just open-ended commitments to occupations or conflicts and preemptive, unnecessary wars that bother folks like me.
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Saturday, possibly Friday. Fuck yeah!It should crack the top ten grossing films in the US after next Thursday's take. And probably # 5-6 after Sunday's (the 10th)take. And should beat (Star Wars 460 mil) after Sunday the 17th take. Putting it in the #3 spot US.
And should take the #2 spot by the end of the month. Maybe around $550mil.
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Some issues such as American slavery, can easily be viewed through today's moral lens because it presents a very clear cut case of right and wrong that was understood even during the times. Good and evil are not new concepts, so it would be disingenuous for some to claim that we look back with a moral superiority that did not exist 'back then'. It did exist. However, during wartime, a different set of values and exigencies arise. Japan felt the need to attack the United States not because they thought they could defeat the U.S. but because they wanted to secure their oil supply, of which some 90% at the time was imported and controlled by either the United States or Europe. The embargo, which came after the invasion of China, was crippling the Japanese, they felt they had no choice but to attack swiftly and cowardly and stupidly as it turned out. None of that excuses what they did, they brought the embargo on themselves, and they chose the path of war. I firmly believe that both bombs were necessary in order to force the Empire to surrender. Revisionist thinking now looks back and says that what we did in Japan led to such horrifying results that we never should have dropped that second bomb. War is all out hell. The firebombing of Dresden proved that we were willing to inflict tens of thousands of civilian casualties. The Japanese were noted for their brutality, and the Germans killed 20 million Russian's (most of which were civilian). War is all out hell. No one knew or much suspected what radioactive fallout could do. In fact, up until the early 60's, American military personnel were routinely and ignorantly exposed to radioactive fallout - during tests of new weapons. That second bomb was needed because it reinforced that we had the power to wipe out the home islands. The first bomb got their attention, but it did not lead them to unconditionally surrender. The second one did. Was there a possibility of revenge at play with the bombings? Sure, it is possible. Human nature, especially during wartime is susceptible to losing sight of values. And there is zero doubt that a large portion of the American public cheered the destruction the bombs wreaked. But that is war. The tactical decision on which cities to drop the bombs on, cost innocent lives. But the strategic decision to drop bombs instead of launching a ground war, saved millions of others.
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Jan 07, 2010 1:54:54 PM CST
sNow that is bad luck. Never againay you have bad luck.
by moonlightdrive
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And that's just theater ticket sales. Now add to it future the home video recepies, and this movie is basically a license to print money.
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The first was to end the war. The second was to send a message to Russia that we were not to be fucked with..
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Jan 07, 2010 2:07:44 PM CST
The thing that makes me like best about AVATAR'S sucess...
by asimovlives
... and i'm hardly the kind of person who equates box office with quality or justification. but the thign that brings me a smile about AVATAR's box office mega sucess is that it diesplaced at the top of the box office charts Michael Bay's RETARDFORMERS TOO. I'm certain that right now Bay must be trashing all the shit in his house, and screaming to the skies how the fuck Cameron pulled this off. That fucking Bay hack only measures hismelf to box office (because by any other standards as a filmmaker he's complete shit), and the fucker must had been pretty smug at being the 2009's box office king of the year. Not anymore he is. And the idiot must be bustinghis brains and pulling his hair in agony thinking how the fuck Cameron mannged to pull this off. If only i were a fly on the wall!
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keep up the jokes and what not, witty banter and all, you guys make me laugh, and we all need laughs.... too fuckin many people are so damn sensitive..... Christ, "political correctness" has so fucked up the way people converse and "speak" to each other..... FUCK 'EM all.... keep up the banter..... and no, I didn't think "Avatar" was all that, it was ok to me, but I still wont TRASH guys cause they liked or didn't like something..... except JettL, but who doesn't.
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that box office DOESN'T equate a movie being quality or not... too true, brutha, too true.. course, most of us do know this, it's the movie going "general public" that can't grasp it.
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Bravo sir. An objective assesment with a solid grasp on historical fact.
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It's important this movie does well and breaks records. What did TF2 do other then make some people some money? Anything productive? Fuck no! Unless you consider your "List of 101 ways to torture Michael Bay" a mental release, so you don't go postal on the public something useful, then nothing.
Avatar even before it was released has changed cinema. Directors have plans for 3D now that didn't before. But with Avatar skull fucking everything in its path at the box office and the highest grossing movies list, you will now see the industry change its tune. Digital 3D cinema has legs and will only improve. Eventually dropping film in most cases and if JC gets his wish increasing frame rates.
This will improve 3D. Even Michael Bay's pile of scrap metal rolling down the hill in 3D will look good. If Avatar did shitty business then it would only slow the 3D transition down. And 3D cinema has influenced 3DTV big time.
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Read this in the paper today , what an amazing guy.
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Re: your opinion of AVATAR - hey, I got no problem with whether you actually liked the film or not. My comments were aimed at the deluded twerps who genuinely believed that AVATAR was going to die, who hated it BEFORE they actually saw it. And in the process developed HATE-JAMES-CAMERON hunger that needed constant feeding. Just weird. And hilarious to see them proven utterly wrong.
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I understand this is a very emotional topic for many, and certainly, I understand what you are saying. The 'necessity' of the second bomb is difficult to parse; japan was slowly being starved anyways, the notion there would have to be a land invasion doesn't hold water imo...its a freakin island...who was supplying Japan at the time? No one as far as I know... Remember, this wasn't a military target; it was civilians. If one starts identifying civilians as legitimate military targets, that leads to a very, very slippery moral slope, that can serve to justify any attack...moral relativism at its worst.
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toadkillerdog, you left out at least one more reason cited for the necessity of the nuking of Japan: the need to quickly end things before the Soviets could claim a portion of Japan (the Soviets didn't declare war until August of 1945, just days after Hiroshima, which hints at their motives) in a manner analogous to their domination of Eastern Europe.
While exigencies do arise, in War, I submit values should not change. The Western Allies were right to oppose the Axis. The Axis did much evil, including the slaughter of non-combatants.
Noncombatant casualties are unavoidable (e.g., the Allied bombing raids on German industrial assets, that happened to be located within civilian population centers, certainly resulted in the deaths of noncombatants. But those noncombatants were not the target.)
Even today (less so, back then perhaps), there are many around the world that look to the US as a example to be emulated.
IMO, the deliberate targeting of civilians undermined the moral authority the Allies. Targeting civilians was something done by the Axis, i.e. the bad guys. Its important for the good guys to maintain that distinction by avoiding such acts as much as possible.
As you say, the nuking of Japan netted tangible benefits, but at best, it would be a necessary evil (or the lesser of two evils, as opposed to an invasion), but its still evil. And there is just no getting around that, otherwise, without self-imposed boundaries, anything goes, and anything can be rationalized away, including genocide.
The US, to its credit, helped to dispense with this notion, via the Nuremberg trials (and their Japanese equivalents). At the conclusion of WWII, the Brits simply wanted to execute the captured Nazi leaders. The Soviets wanted a mere show trial. The US, however, wanted to use the trials as a forum not merely to punish the guilty, but to demonstrate, through court room arguments, why the Axis was wrong to what it did. Furthermore, the Trials helped to establish a body of international law to cover such things. -
I recall something about how like in Germany, there were also Japanese officials etc. working behind the scenes to come to a peace agreement with the US. And suggestions, especially following Little Boy's wake, that something could've been worked out. As much as there were justifications for bombing Japan, the US who'd invested in teh bomb, also wanted to gather as much actual field data of the bomb's explosive power outside of controlled tests. Dropping the bombs would aid their goals of defeating Japan as well as advancing their scientific knowledge. The god and bad intentions went hand in hand. Atrocities were committed on both sides, and we'l always question whether our actions were right or wrong of if there wa a theoretical better way. What's done is done. Let's learn from that and move forward. I don't think we can blame the US for it, and at the same time the horror of these events ought not to be forgotten and impressed upon us. Somday, Japan may get its revenge using their own little boy known as Akira... I'd like to see Cameron helm that masterpiece in 3-D.
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Mark my words, the geopolitical context uses a lot of double entendres, sure the Japs didnt surrender and it also made sense to bomb em but Stalin knew it was also a demonstration to show who the boss was. He then thought it was blackmail agianst him and that it would lead to a more dangerous world since the "balance" of power was lost as he put it. Of course in person when Truman came up to him at Potsdam i think and said they had develoepd a bomb of extraordinary power, Stalin replied without moving a muscle on his face "of extraordinary power? probably decisive on the Japanese!", he wouldnt show any weakness!
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stalin would have been more than happy to try the bomb on his own people...not sure exactly what 'weakness' refers to? having the stomach to nuke a city full of civilians? Twice?! Is that what you mean?
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