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Confirmed: SPIDER-MAN 4 Swings Into A Brick Wall! May 11, 2011 Release Date Currently In Jeopardy!
Beaks here...
Three weeks ago, just before the holiday break, IESB.net broke the news that SPIDER-MAN 4 was being delayed indefinitely due to a substantial difference of opinion between director Sam Raimi and Sony Pictures on the direction (and the quality) of the screenplay. Sony initially denied this, but, today, the studio is croonin' a different tune: SPIDER-MAN 4 is on hold, and, according to Nikki Finke's source(s), will not be ready to go before cameras this spring. This means you can forget about the film being ready for May 11, 2011.
Though Finke (who is good and sourced up - and, some might argue, sympathetic - with Sony) is leaving open the possibility that an as-yet-undelivered draft from two-time Oscar-winner Alvin Sargent might get the project moving forward again (he received screenwriting credits on the last two Spidey flicks), HitFix's Drew McWeeny sounds a little less optimistic. Sez Drew:
Since that first story ran, I've been hearing some really terrible things about what's going on between Sam Raimi, the studio, and the writers, and I've been starting to wonder if there's any chance they can reach an agreement that will make all involved parties happy.
Sargent is the fourth official writer on SPIDER-MAN 4, following A-listers Jamie Vanderbilt, David Lindsay-Abaire and Gary Ross.
As for the status of John Malkovich and Anne Hathaway being cast as the film's villains, Raimi is reportedly still hot for Malkovich; Hathaway, on the other hand, would cost more than the studio is willing to spend. Seeing as how the series' most effective baddies have been played by respected (and comparably inexpensive) character actors like Alfred Molina and Thomas Haden Church (whose Sandman was easily the best thing about the third film), it's hard to argue with the studio's position on this. When it comes to which villains get worked into the narrative, however, I'll 100% side with Raimi - if only because we've seen what happens when he's forced to deal with a character he flat-out doesn't like (i.e. Venom).
As an unabashed fan of two-thirds of the series, I hope Raimi and the screenwriters and the studio manage to resolve their differences and move forward. That said, if it becomes a question of making a release date rather than a movie, I'd prefer for everyone to part ways and call it a day on this iteration of the web-slinger's big-screen adventures - which, it seems, is a distinct possibility.
There are already rumblings that this delay has much, if not everything, to do with Sony angling for a 3-D SPIDER-MAN 4. Rest assured that the issue right now is the script - but I wouldn't be surprised if, in the interim, the studio makes a rather strident case for 3-D.
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I love Raimi and defend his trilogy, but some new blood might not hurt this franchise. really.
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after this avatar shit.
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by about 9 years.
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Give us the Lizard, who you've been setting up for two movies! And Kraven! Or Electro! But NOT the damn Vulture!
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when is World of Warcraft slated to start filming? not for awhile, I'd presume... but it seems like Raimi might have to choose between the two projects, and he'd probably go for the fresher, newer proposal of World of Warcraft... i guess?
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Maybe that big black thing from 2001 could do fix. DAHHHHH-DAHHH-DUMMM-DAH DAH!
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And fixed release date.
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I want to see her in very tight, form fitting clothes. Start the movie as Vulteress or whatever and end the movie in the final shot as Black Cat. Oh baby. She's worth any $ they wanna throw at her.
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Had it right in the story, though. So there.
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Damn, the Internets is fast.
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Jan 05, 2010 7:15:34 PM CST
3-D Spierdman featuring Firestar, Iceman, and Miss Lion
by jeangrey_x23_lesbosex
Focus on the damn script, not the camera package damn it. But truthfully it's time for Mr. Drag Me to Hell to step aside. Reboot.
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Why do they need to pay top-dollar to "Oscar winning" screenwriters to deliver such SHIT? Somebody send me an e mail, I'm available, much cheaper than these fools and dammit I'm an actual Spidey FAN.
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...something I would like to see very badly......in fact it hurts...a little.
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i think givin a new director and cast a shot at the symbiote story could turn out as one of the best comic book movies of all time (oh yeah, and spiderman is gettin pretty old)
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John Malkovich as Vulture? Yes. Anne Hathaway as Vulturess? No. Lizard? Yes. Shocker? Yes. Venom? No. The studio should have SOME involvement (Spiderman 1 was more studio then Rami), but still let Sam have greater creative control. Oh and if I wasn't clear Spiderman 1,awesome. Spiderman 2? decent. Spiderman 3? ummm great in IMAX.
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Do we really wanna see Peter Parker high school dork gets super powers again? Really?
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...Raimi would just as soon not do this?
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The apocalypse will go down before we can view this abomination.
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Ripley said it best: "Did IQ's suddenly DROP while I was away?"
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Jan 05, 2010 7:21:58 PM CST
Remember when Spidey had the Captain Universe powers?
by jeangrey_x23_lesbosex
If you want to Kick Green Lantern's ass drop The Power Cosmic Spiderman in 2012 to fuck up Warner Brothers money
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As in, Spider-Man 2 is NOT worse than Spider-Man one. AICN Talkback format NEEDS. AN. UPGRADE.
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I really don't want to see a complete "reboot," ie retelling the origin and starting back in high school. while the first movie is campy and already slightly dated, it really fits the tone of the comics and I think it nailed Spidey's origin. if Raimi has to bail, re-cast the movie but DON'T start all over. it'd be redundant.
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Do a remake/intro a la evil dead 2 fixing all the shit from spider-man 3 boo-yah!
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Reboot in a few years with a young twenties cast and a director who appreciates the comics.
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..."you've seen blank in 3D...and you've seen blank in 3D...and you've seen blank in 3D...but NOW...and cut to spring break style oiled tits and ass shots......shit movie, but genius trailer opening.
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I think this was proven once and for all with Arnold Schwarzenegger as Mr. Freeze in "Batman & Robin." Yes, I realize that this was far from that movie's sole problem; but come on - sinking TWENTY-FIVE MILLION DOLLARS right off the bat (no pun intended) into the salaries of ONE of the actors? And in a supporting role? People go to a Batman movie for Batman... does anyone think that there are THAT many Schwarzengger fans out there who are NOT already Batman fans who would be willing to go to a Batman movie just to see him? Or at the very lest, enough to justify the expense? The Spider-Man movies have been doing it right with the villians casting so far: the right actor for the role, not just a big name.
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IS FUGLY! THERE... I SAID IT! Screw the Vulturess... and MOST definitely don't let her anywhere remotely close to Black Cat... Also... I thought Kingsley was up for the Vulture... And at last... Raimi, just let it go already. We need the Wachofskis in here!
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... especially Kirsten Dunst... She's just... annoying as hell!
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...that's unattractive in a superhero.Unless she's played by Sophia Loren.
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No, not GREAT, like the first two were (I actually prefer the first even though most people seem to prefer the second). Yes, I agree there was too much going on all at once: too may love-interests, too much subplot, too many villians. And yes, I think that Venom should have been save for later in the series AND been the sole (or at least main) villian such a film. But a little Venom goes a long way, and it did in this case. Now as for what everyone keep alluding to about how the studio insisted on using Venom over Sam Raimi's objections... Look: I'm a Raimi fan ("The Gift" notwithstanding) and there's no other director I could imagine doing this series (and hopefully will continue doing it). However, I think we've all become just a little too brainwashed by this whole the-director-is-God mentality. So ANY aspect of ANY movie is "bad" if it was the idea of anyone other than the director (or even if he happened to disagree with it)? No. Also: I happen to think that Spider-Man 3 had the best climax of all three films, with the battle royal in the half-constructed building between Spidey, the Sandman, Venom and Harry Osbourne as the Green Goblin variant. So while I'll grant everyone that SPIDER-MAN 3 was the weakest of the series, it's far from the train-wreck that everyone seems to insist it was.
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As long as the next spiderman movie
is being tied up in webs.....Let's talk about a long overdue cameo from the original live action
Peter Parker/ Spiderman!!
Nicholas Hammond was Spiderman to a generation of wall crawling fan boys like myself!He also used a friggin webshooter, but dont get me started!!!
He would make a wonderful love interest to aunt may. Cast him as
an old friend of Uncle Ben's!
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that is actually relevent in this thread, so there.
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Surely he'd know what's going on over at Sony?
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So we've got the director and studio feuding over the villains, aging stars (including a progressively uglier Kirsten Dunst) who are only in it for the paycheck, a slew of writers capped by senile octogenarian Sargent and an unrealistic release schedule. Sounds like the recipe for a masterpiece. Just fucking wipe the slate clean and give Spidey some fresh blood. And lose the gay-ass SPIDER-M4N, 5PIDER-MAN, S6IDER-MAN bullshit right now.
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even my 6 year old nephew proclaimed "this is shit" two thirds in and walked out the room to play with his toys. After stifling a laugh I scolded him and tuned the "shit" off myself.
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This is turning into a trainwreck. You think Spidey 3 was bad? Imagine all that + no kind of agreement as to what the script should be!!
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If they had taken out the entire symbiote and Goblin Jr. subplots, and spent a little more time developing the Sandman's story to make it more plausible, I think it had potential to be a good movie.
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Jan 05, 2010 7:58:15 PM CST
I love Spidey but maybe this series should call it a day
by chuck_chuckwalla
If they can't come up with a decent script in spite of all the existing storylines that Spidey's had over the years — then maybe that's a sign to end it now and bring it back later with a new cast, crew and vision. It worked for the Batman and Star Trek franchises. Personally, I would like to see the Kraven and Electro then you could have all the villians come back in Spidey 5 and do the Sinester Six. The vulture is a cool old school comic booky villian but I think he could come off looking quite dorky if not handled well to summer event movie audiences.
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Bring in a new director, new actors, new SFX team and retell the story the RIGHT way!
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6 different villains 4 different love interests ugly old actors and actress frowning and crying for 2 hours straight multiple cringe inducing scenes lots of cheese recycled moral themes PROFIT !
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Fuck Sam Raimi, He's a spoiled bitch willing to totally fuck a movie up the ass just because he can't get his way. I say fire his ass and hire some one with the ability to turn out a good product regardless of the studio limitation. Again I say Fuck Raimi.
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that way he can keep getting killed by different people and parker has to keep forgiving everyone.
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...sorry but he is way to fan-overrated! I again say: bring in the Wachofskis. They are comic fans thmeselves, and would not make a mess of a movie just because "thet didn't like the villain they were forced to have in the movie". Well guess what Sam... We do! And we are paying to see the movie, ergo your paycheck.
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I know EXACTLY the right tone and material a talent like Ms. Hathaway deserves.
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Look, I don't want to shit-talk Raimi, but he's had his trilogy, and honestly, if this pouty stand-off leads to another movie like part 3, I'd rather see them wait for a bit and start fresh with new talent. But, shit, if we have another Raimi Spider-Man, he BETTER fucking have the Lizard in there, or I'm going to feel real bad for Dylan Baker.
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In 3-D, ya'll!
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Every studio exec in Tinseltown is pointing at Avatar and squealing with delight "Look! That film has a laughable script and terrible dialog but it still made $1bn because the flm going public are essentially retarded sheep who will happily hand over their $15 to spend two hours in 3-D land. So it doesn't matter how shitty the material is, we'll just shoot it in 3-D and roll in the gravy". And do you know what's really depressing? They are absolutely right.
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Capital Idea good sir!
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If they have lots of CGI (a given) AND it's in 3-D, what's with this "story" thing, whatever that is? Can't they just spend 25 cents on some TV hack and get a screenplay -- which in modern movies has nothing to do with "story" anyway? It'll work, trust me. People will go see it regardless. Cant wait for Spiderman V . . .
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His spiderman movies have been stinkin up the source material. And the SFX have sucked. THe only reason the movies sell is because of the "Spiderman" label on the box.
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...the more a comicbook movie sucks. Ditch Miss Hathaway and just focus on ONE villain. (Does anyone else see a resemblance between Anne Hathaway and Michael Jackson? Most disturbing.)
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thats people who don't spend all their time on the Net or talking about movies, is that they LOVE the STORY in AVATAR, I know thats hard for some people to comprehend but it's true so come on let it go people.
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(Note, I still want to ogle her in a Spider-Man movies, but if that can't happen) Elisha Cuthbert, Zoey Deschanel, Mary Elizabeth Winstead, Emma Stone (last girl is a tad scrawny but I'm sure they could fix that somehow with movie magic. And I love her and she's actually a good actress, maybe the best out of that lot)
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James Cameron was originally working on Spider-man, but first wanted to make Titanic. So it went to Raimi eventually. Spider-man 3 was a critical bomb. 3D is the new black. James Cameron has made the single most successful 3d film ever, not to mention a just plain profitable movie. I think the suits saw Avatar, were swept up by the 3d. started thinking 3D. Then thought James Cameron, knowing he once had interest in Spidey. And then saw the B.O. numbers. And now they want to woo JC for Spidey 4.
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Just how bad was it? That has to be a serious blow to the screenwriters' ego. "Yeah, the guy that made Spierman 3 thought your script was garbage. Yep. The guy with a 5 minute musical number in a superhero movie didn't like your script."
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Raimi is throwing out the rewrite by JettL; he said, and I quote; "Yeah...Jetts plate is just too full, we knew there were problems when we began to see overlap in characters and situations between SP4 and his work on TF3...at one point he had Peter driving Optimus Prime down by the Jamaica Marshes looking for Puerto Rican hookers. We like the hooker direction...just need someone familiar with the direction who can loose the Transformers tie in"Well...let me tell ya...if there is one thing 'ol Conspiracy knows it is a grittier direction to a script and Puerto Rican hookers. I'll make a script to remember.
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Like, has a single movie critic stood out and said "They love the story in Avatar" or has every single movie critic said the story and the characters are the weakest part of it? The last one. Definitely.
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tinyurl.com/ye7l9vpAny Arguments? Didn't think so.
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...available. he-he-he.
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dammit!
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The Lizard is the only one who's been developed over the entire Raimi Spidey series. By the way, reading the piece here, I didn't know who wrote it. The grammar was proper so I thought "Could it really be Harry?" Nope!
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...BUT LOOK AT HER MUG!!! She's either very talented or she must be a bed-goddess to actually land a carreer...
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...he only makes movies that are guaranteed to make so much money that just SAYING THE NUMBER makes lesser men impotent for at least six months. Haven't you pansies learned ANYTHING???? Jesus. Anne Hathaway better stay as far away from this trainwreck as possible... she has herself a tidy little career... that being said, I also agree that seeing her in 3-D might get ME in a seat too. And no, I'm not a lesbian. Sober, anyway. Did I mention this looks like a movie to bring a Grand Cru Vosne-Romanee to?
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"A wonderfull timeless story" is one hyperbole I remember And really, you give a fuck what a critic thinks? Do critics pay for movies? Do they have any more authority over millions of peoples verdict just because they have read a few books on how movies "should" be?
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was a bit weak and predictable, I was dissapointed in the changes from the scriptment but it was still a movie Cinemas were made for IMO. but my point is "normal" people i.e people with job's, familys, lives! are loving the story.
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Move Green Lantern to May before Marvel moves another of their movies and claim Marvel weekend for your own. Guaranteed 150 - 300 Million if you do it. It'll just get lost in July.
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I liked Spider-Man 3, but I only saw it 7 times in the theater, as opposed to 11 and 10 times for the first two movies respectively. The movie was full of unfortunate things: Venom, Topher, crying, singing, dancing, a murderer who didn't murder Uncle Ben, crying, dancing, too much CGI, too close camera work, fangs of Dunst, orange hair, crying, dancing, Green Goblin (Jr?)/Goblin?, Mud Monster..... But, it was not a total suckfest. I liked it. I did not love it. I loved Bryce Dallas Howard as Gwen Stacy, Thoms Haden Church as Sandman, Dylan Baker, J.K. Simmons (as always), the fight in the penthouse, the crane accident, Aunt May and Bruce Campbell (of course). It's not nearly as strong as the first two and we really have Sony to thank for it for pushing Venom on the project. Raimi was going about it the right way. They wanted more CGI, more villains, more romance, more angst, more, more, more! I am sad that 4 will be delayed.
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Just Recast the leads if anything. I think Tobey has done a good job but has outgrown the part. Dittos on Kirsten though i thought Kate Hudson should have originally gotten the part.
Of course they could pull a switch with this franchise and have MJ die and have Peter marry Gwen!
I think if Raimi does SM4 he should have Bruce play Mysterio. I think that might be the only thing that would give him the motivation to make it really good. Outside of that i really like that Cameron theory! -
Time and again I'm reminded of the absolute black hole of screenwriting talent in H-land. Spiderman has nearly fifty years of plotlines to choose from, and the talentless fucks still can't get their flaccid writing hands up.
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Seriously? We're siding with the guy who supposedly wants to make the fourth movie about the Vulture and Vulturette instead of the Lizard and Kraven?
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"I liked Spider-Man 3, but I only saw it 7 times in the theater, as opposed to 11 and 10 times for the first two movies respectively."
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A. FUCKING. MEN. RIGHT?!?!?!?! Jesus. It's not like they INVENTED Spidey yesterday. The comics have legions of fans stretching out over decades... you're telling me there was no STORY there to compel them? Such a load of shit. What do I want to see? A less over the top, more real-world approach. The Spidey comics weren't crazy out-there, why do the movies have to be? AND MOST IMPORTANTLY: with all the kick-ass parkour athletes in the world, WHY do they have to resort to second-rate CG? Why can't they do something really cool that we've never seen before?
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So WHAT?? Who CARES??
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.....needs to go! Spiderman 1 doesn't hold up any more! With the exception of the final fight sequence, the rest of the action in the movie looked like a series of horrible video game sequences or some cheap B level shit! Tobey Maguire was excellent casting but Raimi turned him into an emo brat who spends too much time giving the audience monologues whining about responsibility! Plus, Raimi keeps insisting on making these movies Mary Jane/Peter Parker centric! Kirsten Dunst should NOT be allowed near the studio set! Mary Jane should not be given the same relevance as Lois Lane. Too much emphasis has been placed on that fucking love story! It detracts from the movie! Spiderman 2 is a stand alone masterpiece, but keep this asshole away from another movie. Fuck Raimi and his shit ideas on filmmaking! Take some time off and reboot with a director who knows how to pace a story! Fuck that hack!
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starring all of the laid off people in that piece of shit UP IN THE AIR.
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Have you geeks seen that bitch lately?! She looks horrid! She has gigantic bags under her eyes and she skinny beyond belief! Her arms look like like a twig!Horrid, horrid, horrid!WTF, is wrong with you guys??? Its not like she was built anyways so seeing her in something tight is fucking stupid!
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And even in that hyperbolic statement you posted, it still implies that a "timeless, classic" story is still a redundant story. Which is the film's biggest flaw: the story and the characters. I like the movie a lot for the visuals, but it's flawed in story and characters. This is a fact. It's not Cameron's best, he can do better. I personally think you are putting WAY too much emphasis upon "normal" people. I mean, they're dirty stinking normies. Really, who gives a crap? Way to be mundane. Whoo.
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if there are disagreements, that could be good. Alot better than a half assed group think abomination, someone's passionate enough to fight, that can be good.
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he did solid work on the first, and Spidey 2 was a coupla notches below being a masterpiece. It all went to hell with 3, but let's give him credit for his earlier efforts. And who would you want to see take over? Ratner? McG? Cos the Nolans and the Camerons won't touch Spidey 4 with a barge pole.
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Only for Spidey, dude. I have not seen any other movie more than 3 times.
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That piece of shit will probably never open anyway, might as well get something for the money. Have Bono play Spidey and have him save the world one bullshit, self-important NYT column at a time. The Edge can play Lizard's dick, which sticks out at you in 3d.
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He's a second-rate character when compared to The Batman. Or Superman.
Marvel's best character is Wolverine, yet they will never be able to do that character justice in film.
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I don't want to see Anne Hathaway, I want the Lizard and the Vulture. What is so ****en hard about doing a good movie. Doc OCK, Green Goblin... Villians that KICK ASS!!!
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Raimi was exactly what Spidey needed. He's a quirky director and he was directing a quirky character. While he is no auteur like Hitchcock or Scorsese, he is certainly not a hack like Ratner or McG.
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I misread James Vanderbilt as James Vanderbeek...almost lost my lunch! Haha
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...SUX FUCKING ASS!!!
I love Sam Raimi, but I hate this series!!
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Raimi was successful. He made 3 extremely profitable products for Sony. He also made 3 God-fucking-awful shitpile Spider-Man movies, but that's beside the point.
Sony, it is in your best interest to jettison Raimi, Maguire, Dunst et al and relaunch this character in the new decade. Don't worry about the script or the director. Anyone will do, any script will do. Just film something and stick it out there. It's going to be total shit no matter what you do becuse you hacks couldn't make a good Spider-Man movie if your fucking lives depended on it. So don't sweat the small stuff because it won't make any difference. The drooling neanderthals will pour out in droves to see whatever you decide to release beacuse they don't know any better. They do know "new" though, they do know "youth", and these fucking automatons will want new faces in the latest version of your Spider-product. You have the Spider-Man property, and that means you have a license to print money. What's the goddamned delay here? This isn't neurosurgery, you fucking idiots. Now go get some script monkey and put his ass in front of a keyboard. -
Seeing him swing through the city in 3D would be awesome. I just care about a damn good story this time. part 3 sucked. I still have hate for how Venom was handled. As well as Gwen's "story". Please lose that stupid Vultress angle though.
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Anne Hathaway wouldn't be my first choice for a Spider-Man movie, but she pulled off action well enough in the GET SMART remake. The true crime, though, would be wasting her on some ridiculous "Vultress" character instead of Black Cat or better yet, replacing Kirsten Dunst as Mary Jane.
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Spider man 1 was ok at the time. I always hated 2 and have no idea why people loved that Piece of shit. It was long, boring overly sentimental trash. I did like the last two minutes though. And SM3 was worse than Superman 3 and 4 combined (but still better than Superman Returns, which was in turn worse than Ghost Rider, X3 and Daredevil combined). At least they were fun bad movies. And instead of upping the action in part 3, what did they do, the upped the crying and sentimental bullshit that no one cares about.
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Jan 05, 2010 9:43:16 PM CST
a little late to be playing the quality control card, sam.
by redhorsevector
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Jan 05, 2010 9:45:01 PM CST
Less than a month til LOST final season begins.......
by ihaveseeneveryepisodeofprisonbreak
is all that really matters. BRING ON THAT TB!
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Jan 05, 2010 9:45:04 PM CST
Less than a month til LOST final season begins.......
by ihaveseeneveryepisodeofprisonbreak
is all that really matters. BRING ON THAT TB!
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I have lost all faith in the franchise. I am still waiting for my ticket money to be refunded for Spidey 3.
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Why is it that TV is suddenly more exciting than movies over the last few years?
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Just another stuck up cunt, like that Lohan whore. I want beautiful, down to earth, genuine women as Hollywood starlets.
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Reboots/change-of-cast-changes almost always suck...keep Maguire/Raimi for one more flick...then bring in Maguire for Avengers cameo...Imagine if they got Ed Norton as Hulk, Downey, Jr. as Iron Man, rest of avengers...only to have Spidey show up at the end....that would be sick.
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"What do I want to see? A less over the top, more real-world approach. The Spidey comics weren't crazy out-there, why do the movies have to be?"
I fully agree, which I guess puts me in the "reboot camp". It's pretty clear that the fans want to see some familiar plotlines and characterizations, which would be impossible in the "Raimi Spider-verse" at this point, given the way he's killed off two of SM's biggest nemeses, reformed another and completely screwed up a third (that would be Venom).
Unfortunately, Hollywood has such of mystique built up around Directors and Screenwriters it would be next to impossible to find any that know how to put their egos in check and let the characters "be themselves" in a straightforward adaptation. Motherfuckers are always out to reinvent the wheel and take all the credit for themselves... -
and Do the Carnage plotline.
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How many billions has he delivered?
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Come on Raimi!
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If it's for the Vultress i'm not sold. If it's for Black Cat i'm batting for Sam.
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After the abomination that was number 3 people aren't going to lose sleep over it.
Lizard and Kraven apparently just makes too much sense.
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Then give the rest of the over-paid cast pink slips as well. They milked the franchise for long enough. Hire Joseph Gordon-Levitt as Peter Parker, Mary Elizabeth Winstead for Mary Jane and Maggie Smith as Aunt May then watch the money pour in. If you think the current cast is the best Hollywood can offer you're flat out wrong.
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There's a very real possibility that LANTERN won't be making its own release date -- and NO chance for MAY 2011 at this point.
Warner Bros. is having troubles of their own getting THAT script into shape, and into a budget that is reasonable and filmable (i.e. under $200 million). They lost much-needed production incentives in Australia, and thus are scouting New Orleans/LA and Vancouver, but nothing is quite locked yet. Visual FX people have already been replaced on that picture because they haven't delivered suitable scenarios for the sequences to cost less so that the film can be accomplished. Why have we only heard of Ryan Reynolds' casting, Campbell's hiring, and virtually no word from Campbell or WB (and not much from Reynolds) since? Because that film is in trouble as well.
As far as SPIDEY goes, I, too am of the opinion that it's time for a change. Raimi should have walked after the third picture (a creative debacle on all levels, in addition to an out-of-control spending spree). I'm ready for the much-buzzed about Vanderbilt scripts, a new, smart, edgy direction, a new cast and directorial interpretation, and yes, a real story about GWEN (I wish BDH could have played the role in a movie much more centered around her, rather than being merely, and rather insultingly, "the other woman"). -
That would be a summer.
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Wasn't it the studio who shoehorned Venom into the last movie? I say let Sam keep directing but for the love that is all holy please just let the script be good. It doesn't matter how talented you are behind the camera if you're working with the junk they wrote for Spidey 3.
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These days, people will go see a Spider-Man movie no matter what, who, or which hack is directing it, or starring in it -- I believe these movies are like Batman -- you notice that it doesn't ultimately matter who stars at Bats, don't you? The interest in the movies, if they wane -- isn't due to the starring role.
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Let it die already before it gets even more convoluted and screwed up
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Just because its simple dosen't mean it's bad, it's cliched and predictable yea, but it's still a great story, tight and well told And by normal I really mean people who don't after seeing a movie go on line and dissect it to pieces with a nerd toothpick, and hate and bash and get their childhoods raped. Don't get me wrong I like doing that to a degree but most of the world dosen't. If I want a movie with a powerfull moving story I watch them at home, why would I want to watch something like No Country For Old Men, There Will Be Blood, or The Road in a movie theatre, with other people? Thats why Avatar is a great movie, its a great popcorn flick, and Cameron makes the best popcorn flicks his $300mill can buy. I've also watched it on a crappy copy at home and it was still great.
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1) SPIDER-MAN 3 was just fucking awful. It's not a deal where the first two flicks were just so damn great by comparison that anything would look bad following them ... no. SPIDER-MAN 3 was bad. And the "well, Raimi had all this stuff forced on him by the suits ..." shit is a very lame excuse. Raimi's a pro, and he also got paid a king's ransom to make the movie. His responsibility was to make the best movie he could. And if by "making the best movie he could", he decided that SPIDER-MAN 3 was the apex of such effort, then he deserves all the critical drubbing he gets. He could have worked out using Venom effectively. He also could have said no. Or walked. Considering his wife happens to be one of the head honchos at Sony (and Jim Henson's daughter), I'm pretty goddamn sure he could have bailed.
SPIDER-MAN 1 was okay, certainly better than it had a right to be, though it almost shot itself in the foot by casting Maguire as "Peter Parker" and Snaggle-Puss as "Mary Jane Watson" (Eliza Dushku was Raimi's choice), as well as shoehorning Nickelback, Mary J. Blidge and Aerosmith into the soundtrack. But it was okay, it stuck closer to the comic than virtually any other comic book adaptation you can name and I didn't want to see anybody dead when the lights came up. SPIDEY 2 was a great movie. But they all three suffered from uneven pacing, like they were always trying to cram two movies into one. SPIDEY 3 plays like they tried to cram six movies into one, all of them lousy. But I don't think there's a market for a part 4/5. 3 was kind of the SUPERMAN III of the franchise. Plus, I just don't wanna see fucking Maguire and Dunst retard their way through another goddamn movie or two together.
Cameron's SPIDER-MAN would have been a whole lot worse. Anybody read the fifteen page treatment he did before the legal battles? Ye gods. Not to mention the actual SCRIPT ...! They actually paid him something to the tune of three million to collate all the previous scripts (some of which should have been lost in a housefire) and add some more goofy shit to the proceedings. The end result would have played somewhere in between SPIDER-MAN 3, the '69 BATMAN movie with Adam West and that JJ Abrahms SUPERMAN reboot everybody always bitches about. Count yourself lucky that Cameron never got to make that movie, even if his "organic web-shooters" idea carried over to Raimi's version (in Cameron's version, he has organic web-shooters, but fashions a "web-shooter" out of a watchband and an empty Zippo case to hide them, I shit you not). -
Your a fucking idiot. Your argument might have some merit if Avatar was the first 3D movie ever, but it's not, not even close. There's been 3D movies coming out for years and no one gave a shit. Cameron deserves all of the credit in the world for reinventing the idea of 3D for an audience, and using it as a filmmaking tool as opposed to a gimmick. Honestly, after a while you hardly even notice the 3D very much...it's subtle. To act like 3D is the only reason for Avatars freak success if fucking idiotic.
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I've tried saying that very same thing before, maybe not as eloquently, but, I'm afraid it's just falling on deaf ears my friend. You lost everyone at normal!
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'you know one of the ways movies are still better than playback? the music comes up, there's credits, and you always know when it's over. IT'S OVER!' sick of parker, sick of mary jane, sick of the pathos. and it's WACHOWSKI, YOU DUMBASS!
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and wiped his ass with it.He made that painfully clear during Spider-man 3. Most of the time it's apparent Raimi has lost his enthusiasm for the franchise and spends most of the movie giving the audience the middle finger. Giving him the keys for a fourth one is begging for another series of back-handed insults.
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Yes you made your dough with the 3rd movie, pleasing the lowest common denominators, but why would you NOT trust the man who gave you the foundations for the series through the first 2 movies? Fuck this shit.
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Loved the first 2, but pretty much everything in #3 after the first ten minutes was ungodly bad. I worry about the 3D. Just cause Avatar has hit big with 3D does not mean every film now needs it. we DO need 3D Anne hathaway cause she's severely hot!
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awesome interview
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...as much as I loved part 1 and 2... after part 3 and whats happening now just tells me its time for a refresh-- there are other great actors and directors out there who could breath new life into this--
and Im a guy who was REALLY attached to the current team... but its like dragging out a car crash at this point. Im very close to not even being interested in whatever they end up doing... and Im a hardcore Spidey fan since I was a kid-- pick a direction and just do it already. If they let Raimi do it, then just LET him DO IT. As far as I understand (and I could be wrong) Raimi did the first two the way he liked and they turned out great. He seems to have a grasp of what he likes and also what the audience wanted to see... the 3rd one, the studios stepped into the creative side and told Raimi what to fit in and stepped on his creative toes and it was a mess that was badly received on multiple levels, but luckily made cash thanks to the momentum of the first two films and a built in fan base who came out and couldnt believe their eyes and were probably in denial until their second viewing where they realized that, yes-- they were betrayed.
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Raimi has no eye for direction he's pure camp. He lost me. his love is for Peter Parker not for Spidey which is just to much Tobey for me to handle. how the fuck is it possible to fuck up Venom? Drag me to Hell was shit infact besides the Evil Dead movies why is he even praised? "ooh his camera angles are so inventive" fuck that Raimi is a douche who couldn't do as well as an animated series made in the mid 90's. plus Danny Elfman and others claim he's a huge dick to work for. god I hate idiots gushing on this would be hack. only Ron Howards name makes my stomach turn more. give Neil Blomkamp 60 mil n he will make twice the spidey film Raimi could on a 200-300 mil budget n I only have 1 of Blomkamps film to judge.
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.. with Kingdom Hearts etc, SO... now the Marvel/Disney merger has gone through wouldn't it just benefit everyone to give Spidey over to Marvel Studios for a joint production and bring him into the Avengers films universe?
Just saying. Minimal reboot neccesary a la Incredible Hulk. That managed it all in the credits.
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a little cheese to go with your...WHINE...Avatar, you loser!
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. . .period. And since Disney owns spidey now, they'll wait for the option to expire with Sony , then officially put it to sleep with a new and retarded version (or reboot, remake, reimagining, or whatever the fuck they're callin' em now). Sam should leave, and never look back. He had a nice run with the spidey movies, and isn't Tobey like 50?
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I know dude, it's a fine line, I really think the internet and sites like this (and maybe a dash of Phantom Menace thrown in) have caused something rotten in the core of movie geeks/fans. I envy friends and people in work, intelligent people, many more so than me, who enjoy nearly all movies for what they are, stuff like the new Terminator and Indy, which I actually don't mind the more I watch it. But no theres something in me that draws me to those gaping plotholes and such that I have to mention or bring up and get friends eyes rolling again for it. Stuff like "How the FUCK did the T-Rex get in that foyer and without them seeing it" One of the biggest flaws in one of the biggest and best movies ever. But no one else cares so why should I?
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and playing a college undergrad? Rodney Dangerfield would be proud.
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If they really wanted Maguire to play spidey at 36 years old..go forward with the age on film..a few years in the future..and KRAVEN can hunt down the Hero that retired..thats the way it should be done...(SINCE I'LL NEVER GET ARCADE'S MURDERWORLD ON THE BIG SCREEN)..yet I digress..peace
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Sam Rami and Tobey Maguire have absolutely raped Marvels number one character beyond recognition. I don't see how anyone praises Spiderman 2, which should be renamed to the trials of Aunt May and tribulations of Mary Jane. Since they got more screen time than Spiderman did. Alfred Molina was the only good thing about this horrendous series. Reboot this fucking thing already.
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That's what I say. This news is hardly surprising. I thought Raimi was going the route of introducing the villains that would make up the Sinister 6 in Spiderman 6. Guess not. I can see the appeal of a Father/daughter villain team, but c'mon. A Kraven/Lizard story is way better. Could be awesome. Either way I don't think we're gonna see an X-Men or Spidey film for a while. Wolverine notwithstanding. That's Wolverine, not X-Men. Oh wait, the other films were basically Wolverine too.
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How bout a Blade/Ghost Rider movie? OR Daredevil/Punisher. Movies with a few low key characters crossing over is something I wouldn't mind seeing.
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see X:Men Origins Wolverine for the template to making a fourth movie even worse than the terrible third one. It involves too many characters and a lot of shit getting thrown in because the studio thinks people are dumber than they really are.
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I thought you called yourselves geeks. Hmmm lets discuss.... Raimi's successes Evil Dead Trilogy( Enough said, yet you guys forget, the man gave us ASH!!!) Darkman(my fave original hero) A Simple Plan(engrossing, shocking drama) The Gift(brilliantly acted genre effort) Spiderman 1 & 2(I don't like what was done with Doc Ock but as a sequel it progressed naturally) The Quick and the Dead(finest movie about gun duels ever made... take that High Noon!) Raimi's misfires..... Spiderman 3(of which he was very vocal about) For the Love of the Game.... That's about it. You fucks will defend Micheal Bay to the end but Raimi sucks???? You are not film geeks, just bitter little trolls.
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Ummm, what has she done to command loads of cash? I like her and everything, but I don't remember anyone liking havoq that much. Besides, I'd personally like to see Carey Mulligan in the role. Felicia Hardy has platinum hair, and Carey Mulligan looked great with really light hair in Publiq Enemies.
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...as both a raving homosexual and as James Cameron on many, MANY occassions now. Please stop, Mr Cameron.
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I think sam raimi could have alot of fun with mysterio
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Is it true that Sony has Spider-Man 4 & 5 but after that they’re done?
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in you username, but is ASSHOLE GOBBLER really better than GAPING ASSHOLE? REALLY? Oh, and Cameron says thanks for the 2nd viewing of Avatar, you hypocrite!
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Problem solved.
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i just cant believe that to this day people still believe that spidey sucks because venom was forced upon raimi's throat!
batman begins and dark knight has just as many villains, if not more. the problem is with the script and the script ONLY! it's been proven again and again that it's not the matter of how many villains there are, but everything to do with HOW the script balance them.
spidey 1 & 2 were huge successes, so i have a hard time swallowing the idea raimi didnt have a say in the inclusion of venom. if he cant stand the character that much and it was really forced upon him, then just walk away from the project and let someone else do it. otherwise, deal with it and do a good job managing all the villains. that's his responsibility and his alone. fuck the idiots who are still making excuses for raimi by blaming the studio or venom. -
End this series. I'm tired of it. I'm all for some kind of reboot. Tell his story the right way this time. Also make spidey a part of the current Marvel movie universe. Oh and by the way, that Vulturess idea sounds just awful.
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Pass.
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...I hope they make a normal version for the theaters as well. I don't want to see this movie in red and blue... oh wait, Spidey already is red and blue...
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I remember thinking "Venom" in Spiderman 3 was the corniest shit ever. Then I found out that "Venom" is actually a really badass storyline in the comic book, and that Sam Raimi intentionally fucked it up, because he didn't like it. So he made it look stupid. What a dick.
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...classics they are not. Tobey Maguire? Spiderman? Seriously?
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Jan 06, 2010 12:56:34 AM CST
KICK RAIMI TO THE FUCKIN CURB AND REBOOT THIS FUCKER!!!
by tehcreepythinman
I still maintain that Spider-man 2 is a masterpiece but Raimi damaged this series beyond repair with part 3 which was a horrible piece of fucking shit. Now the fucking moron wants the motherfucking VULTURE as the villain?!?
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The Quick and the Dead was one of the stupidest westerns ever made. Complete waste of acting talent in that one.
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The guy put Bring It On and Jackass on a higher pedestal than Dark Knight.
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The first was "ehhh" and the third was just flat and seemed rushed.
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Jan 06, 2010 1:08:57 AM CST
Good Job Sony, Buy saying "What the Hell!,Him He's Lame as Dick"
by blackbriar
Try Again, This for the best, Spider-Man 3 Sucked ASS!!!
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Kraven the Hunter. Let the hunter come to NY and hunt for Spiderman in the jungle of the city. This film needs to turn back to realism. The third film bordered on BATMAN FOREVER and BATMAN AND ROBIN bad. I wouldn't mind THE LIZARD. However...if this is the Vulture AND/OR the Black Cat...I will have given up on Raimi and the franchise (and wait ten years for the reboot).
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Good Move Sony
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Me cannot be killed by white mans bullet. Gene Hackman fuckin owns that film especially when he kills the assassin. " This is my town, if any of you live to see tomorrow it's because I allow it" or something close to that. Every duel gets crazier and crazier. I fuckin love it.
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...at the theater (it was that bad). Eight months later, I cringed at seeing it on DVD. If Raimi can make something that resembled Spiderman 2...I would be happy. Heck, I would settle for something like the first film (and it was pretty cheesey). But, for the love of God, don't make another movie that resembles #3!
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"I don't like Venom, so I'm going to add him as an afterthought, ignore the mythos, miscast the role and fuck up my own film beyond redemption in the process."And the fat prick wonders why he can't get No. 4 off the ground? Read my lips, chubbo; nobody - but nobody - wants the fucking lame Vulture or *cringes* a non-canon gimmick like 'Vulturess'.Bruce Campbell as Mysterio, Anne Hathaway (if you must) as Black Cat and/or a full-on Dylan Baker / Lizard - you know; the story arc that's been quietly sitting there awaiting treatment since the first bloody movie. Why retcon shit like 'Sandman killed Uncle Ben' when you already have a killer plot idea like Lizard already waiting to go? It baffles me, it really does.Finally, out with that whiny skank Dunst - Christina Hendricks for MJ!
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the real problem, if they were merely shown in montage being defeated by the hero (think of the scenes in Tombstone when they round up the extended cowboy gang). Helps to flesh out a superhero universe. Only focus on a particular one with backstory and development.
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Darkman (1990) or Spiderman 3? Liam Neeson was hilarious...but wasn't supposed to be. He was almost as funny as Peter Parker's infamous strut.
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Sam is a talent but he cannot hold his own with a budget..for whatever reason he wanders...He set the tone for the Super Hero cash in with a heart but when it came time to come through S3 fell way short..i almost fell like he needs a co-d to pull it off..sorry but Venom could have been an all time Villain..yes he got milked but the character has stayed for how long
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We've got the character backstory from the first film and on,...I'm still kinda pissed at the half-ass attempt at Venom.
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I mean ... look at G.I.Joe and Transformers 2. Only slightly worse than Spiderman 3
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I didn't like the overall sense of coincidence... Overall Sense of Coincidence would be a good band name.(r)
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he's got a pair of new super-villains he wants to have Spidey do battle with: "Kraven the Butt-Hunter" and "Dr. Octo-Cock". Plus Spider-nipples on the costume.
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I just can't get over this batshit insane line from the last article. Watch out though if you repeat it 10 times in a row your large intestine will gain sentience and shoot out of your ass and face fuck you.
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That due to the success of Twilight and all these vampire related franchises that we'll get Moribus as a villain because of the vampire flicks?
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Fuck Tobey MacGuire
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1- EMO. I can't stress this enough. It's the trend of the future, like Disco was in 1980. 2- Malkovitch's character must talk slowwwly, but in a fast pace when involved in an action sequence. 3- Fade outs where we want the ads to be placed, like a Charlie Brown tv special. 4- Music from Koyaanisqatsi when the villain appears. 5- Two dance numbers. One of those in a prom dance. 6- Spider Girl is born, and she is able to do Spider shenanigans as a CGI baby. 7- EMO. God damn it. 8- ONLY 3D copies. That will teach those fuckers who thing 3D is passé.
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fits about 3D. Thats called changing the game guys. Get over it, you have lost. While you are at it why dont you bitch and complain about all the special effects that have been so prevalent in film for the past 30 years because of Lucas? Its called progress, learn to love it. If not, dont worry there will be an Avatar 2 and 3, and many more 3D films....Enjoy!!
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Along with Maguire and Dunst, recast and reboot.
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Norm McDonald and Chevy Chase.
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spidey 3 just hurt way too much.
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And we had to suffer. Either do it with passion or not at all.
But I'm tired of Raimi's emo Peter Parker and whiney as fuck Mary Jane.
The Peter Parker I grew up reading wasn't a sad reject after he left school. Mary Jane was a hot supportive girl who was always waiting to rip off Web Head's clothes. Not a short average looking whiney girl.
As much as I like Spider-Man 1 & 2,
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Sorry sam but you dissapointeed my with spidey 3,good job Sony
by bloodawn5
He probably is angry because he doesnt want to use Venom and Carnage as the new villains,but seriously,if we have John Malkovich and Hatteway,as the vulture and the black cat,think about it,it would be an awesome movie,but we wouldnt have the spectacular action swinging fighting movie we want.It would be like having three times hot dogs when we really want a Burger.Oh damn AICN now Im hungry!!!
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sony blows. hope sam walks, without him i wont pay to see any of the spider-man 4+.
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was that what the creative differences were?...no I want donald duck in this movie..no! no!no! mickey mouse or I won't make it...waa!waa! ... until told otherwise thats what I'm assuming the conversation that put the man of spider 4 to a halt was.... either that or disney was annoyed the director didn't allow them to put in the satanic imagary they put in all the movies they make into this movies... they're my 2 current theories...
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Raimi wrote SPIDER-MAN 3's "shit sandwich script" with his brother Ivan, before Alvin Sargent was brought in to polish that turd.
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Nobody thought less of Marvel Studios for rebooting the Hulk, and I'm not sure but I think Warner Bros' Batman reboot has gone okay.
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I need a beer.
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... but the only way this franchise is ever gonna right itself is by Disney/Marvel forkin' over some serious cash and getting it back in the hands of people who actually give a crap about the property. I'd love to see what Raimi could do with it in a non-hostile environment.
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I can't be the only person who would rather see Spidey tangling with Doctor Octopussy's eight hungry vaginacles.
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Most people agree that Spiderman 3 is the bad movie of the trilogy, but I simply did not like any of the 3. A true Spiderman fan can't love these movies. Only the 1st half of Spiderman 1 is great, funny and enjoyable. The rest is barely passable (and even a great actor like Molina coulnd't do much with such a silly plot).
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3d with an added element of silly spray spider man webs being shot out at you at certain parts of the movie... just an idea... hope this helps!
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...I would survive. Spider-Man 3 kind of killed the series for me, and I'd rather just see it die than to go through another sequel of equal quality.
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...Sony and Raimi are at a loss at how to proceed with Spider-Man. Another sequel along the lines of Spider-Man 3, in the wake of Dark Knight's success would seem silly. I imagine the differences between Sam and the studio are how to continue the series now that the world has gotten a truly brilliant super hero movie in Dark Knight. I think they're trying too hard, though. Just go out there and make an entertaining movie. Don't think too much about it. You guys have done it twice BEFORE Dark Knight. Don't be intimidated.
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"films extra!" *shudder*
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SM2(imho) is better than iron man and MILES better than TIH.
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3d becomes the norm all you will ever see is these fucking comic book movies. thanks cameron you sucking scumbag.
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might check the story out more. his name may be on it, but it wasnt his creation. he didnt want venom. didnt want the story that was forced on him by sony. and 4 is already sounding like more of 3.
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Specifically, the blood of JGL and Zooey as Spidey and Mary Jane, and Alex Proyas at the helm. The old crew has run their course.
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Jan 06, 2010 7:47:39 AM CST
CLOWNFACE HATHAWAY NEEDS TO STAY AWAY FROM THIS GENRE
by bringingsexyback
Unless she's playing Harley Quin, or the Joker hisself.
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Because since it's magic, they don't have to explain it.
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It's rare when fan-fic ideas are better than what's actually been leaked as plot, but it appears to be the case this time.Let's let this franchise rest for awhile.
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Clone saga! Scarlet Spiders! Ben Reily! Toby Macguire with bleach blonde hair! Norman Osborne aborting Spider Man's baby! Smoke stacks! Clone motherfucking saga baby!!! Make it happen Hollywood!
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No Spider-Man 4 is preferable to another piece of muck like Spider-Man 3. It makes me wish they'd left it at 2.
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Clone saga! Scarlet Spiders! Ben Reily! Toby Macguire with bleach blonde hair! Norman Osborne aborting Spider Man's baby! Smoke stacks! Clone motherfucking saga baby!!! Make it happen Hollywood!
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Sponsored by the letters 'F' and 'U'.
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Watching the first one in particular, you can see its flaws- namely the Goblin. What a mess. The movies got Doc Ock right and that's about it. Everything else villain-wise feels average or sub-par.
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in a wet, flimsy top. Do it, Rami! That's what sold me on SM1.
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Spidey2 was much better, but the story was a bit samey, Spidey3 was bizzarrely fucked and Church was shit in it.
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Stick her in a bikini. You got my money.
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I can not see for the life of me on how you can not have the lizard as a villin in SM 4 . Black cat story line would be be nice to see, get kevin smith to assist on the writting.
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Sometime a great is villain is a villain because he is just an evil cunt, like Palpatine, The Joker (Ledger's obviously) and Lord Blackwood.
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Jan 06, 2010 9:01:14 AM CST
Frat Boy, holy shit. thanks, brother. never seen her before.
by famouseccles
just of to pull me wire. later.
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because I have several contacts at sony and non of them seem to be worried of a delay. There is some bickering back and forth between rami and the studio but anyonewho works int he industry like me knows that this is common on any high profile film. The internets are blowing this way out of proportion, the film will be out as scheduled
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Jan 06, 2010 9:31:35 AM CST
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by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
-Avatar came along we never had these bad comic book flicks(Spawn, Xmen 3). After all, the last 13 years since his last flick, the world has been completely devoid of terrible comic book adaptations(Daredevil, SpiderMan 3, Wolverine, Ghost Rider, The Spirit, 30 Days of Night) . Why did he have to show people a new kind of cinema? If only he hadn't blown peoples minds with his accomplishments perhaps no one would ever make a shitty comic film ever again...
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keep it up.
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Jan 06, 2010 9:34:20 AM CST
JettL93...he's persistent, I'll give him that
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
here's to another year of crazy posting Jet...
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Your Playstation 2 Slim and Sony Walkman tape player do not "contacts at sony" make.
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Jan 06, 2010 9:40:15 AM CST
If this means we're one step closer to Marvel getting this prope
by skycrapper
then it needs to be stuck in developement hell for a long time. (I can't believe I'm saying I don't want to see another Spider-Man movie)
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Yeah, he'll sort Spider-Man 4 out for you and meet the deadline!
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After 3 films if he still doesn't get that people wany a Spider-Man film and not another Peter Porker turgid saga then I hope he is let go forever from this franchise, re-boot it and move along. I mean how hard is it to make Spidey wise cracking and ensure he is the films primary focus, I could do it.
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for making a film thats turned into a phenom and is playing a big part in changing the way blockbusters are watched due it now fully pushing 3D into the mainstream. You know, adding a visual element to a VISUAL medium. While we are at it, fuck Spielberg, and Lucas. How dare those cunts ever added anything to cinema....
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Lets scrap this Spider Man nonsense and get a real film rolling Raimi!
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I think this just may be good news if true. Raimi just seems burnt out on Spidey, and how many times are we going to get a sympathetic scientist that makes himself into a monster? It seems to me that Raimi has also run out of ideas too. Maybe it really is time for fresh blood here, new attitudes, new ideas etc...
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...that Raimi will walk and this franchise will get rebooted. Part 2 is the only one I like but it doesn't really stand up to repeat viewings. Maguire, Dunst and Aunt May are all pretty annoying and after the abortion that was part 3 I don't think anyone, including Raimi, should return.
I'd love to see a new director and new actors for Peter and MJ. Now the whole Harry/Goblin arc is done you could get away with that. Give Aunt May far less screen time, she's such a boring windbag, and bring back Dylan Baker as the lizard. Make it dark, a superhero horror flick.
For what it's worth, here's my idea for Spiderman 4, feel free to rip it to shreds...
There's a series of murders being committed in New York and Spidey, spotted at the scene of one of the crimes, is the prime suspect. So now he has to solve the murders whilst being hunted by the police. MJ and Peter have been split up for a while and Peter has started to date Gwen Stacey. Both Gwen and Pete are students in Doc Connors' class. The murders continue and the authorities have to bring in outside help to hunt Spiderman...enter Kraven. Kraven and Spidey run into each other whilst independantly investigating the murders and have a massive fight. Spidey escapes but has suffered a beating. The next day in class, Peter and Gwen notice that Doc Connors is acting strangely. Peter goes to his office but he isn't there. On the answering machine there is a terrified message from Connor's ex-wife, who screams that something is trying to get into the house. Peter, as Spiderman, heads straight there and arrives just at the last minute to stop the lizard killing Connor's ex-wife and his own kids. Spidey fights the lizard for the first time. This brawl takes them outside and Spidey manages to trap the lizard in a cargo container. When he returns later the lizard has changed back into Connors, who doesn't remember anything. Spiderman tells him what has happened and Connors, who is a complete mess, tearfully promises to stop his research. Peter faces the dilemma whether to turn him into the police. Connors, meanwhile, is convinced that he has cracked his formula and despite his promise, takes it again. Peter is supposed to be on a date with Gwen but she is late. He senses something may be wrong so heads to her house. The lizard is there. Spidey starts to fight the lizard but Kraven shows up and starts beating up Spiderman. As he is distracted, Spiderman is unable to save Gwen who is seriously injured by the lizard. When Kraven sees this, he realises the lizard was the killer all along and they start to fight. Spiderman cradles Gwen who dies in his arms. Meanwhile Kraven kills the lizard who's dead body has now turned back into Connors. Peter is overcome by guilt, blaming himself for everything. His loyalty and pity toward his friend and mentor, Connors, resulted in his girlfriend's death. The film ends with MJ being there for him.
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shit, he'll make it back in 1 week anyway.
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where he said the Raimi that walked into a meeting/mix, whatever, was not the Raimi he knew on S3? From that, it sounded like he was under some tremendous fucking pressure/stress from the studio, but obviously the gobs of money thrown at you for something like this is always enough to go back. Maybe this time, though, he balked at the scheduling demands and script problems and gave them an ultimatum.
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talking about regarding the Cameron Spiderman "script". There never was any script, only a scriptment (look up the difference). And there was no web cartridges made out of Zipper lighters or whatever he said. I have the scriptment and have read it several times so I am damn sure about that. It would have been a very different movie from Raimi's. Spidey was more of a wisecracker in Cameron's scriptment, and it certainly had a more adult tone. I liked how Cameron reimagined Electro (he actually comes across as very dangerous), and the action would have been damn sweet imho. The end involved a huge action set piece that has one of the World trade centre buildings collapse onto the other while Spidy battles Electro and Sandman on said collapsing building....
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"... a character he flat-out doesn't like (i.e. Venom)."That's the difference between a good director and a great one. John Ford was told by the studio, if he wanted them to pony up the dough so he could make The Quiet Man, he first had to give them a Western with his future Quiet Man stars, John Wayne & Maureen O'Hara. Ford could have half-assed it but instead made "Rio Grande". Raimi could have made good use of Venom had he wanted to.
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It does seem like Raimi could have sucked it up and done what he neede to, instead of clearly showing his contempt for the character.....
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a comic book writer to try and pen one of these things? They at least would have a firm grasp of the source material.
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I'm not trolling here guys, this is a genuine question...do you really think that Raimi deliberately showed his contempt for the character of Venom? It's just that I've heard that arguement a lot as if he deliberately made Spiderman 3 the huge pile of turd that it was. I watched that flick again recently and thought that its problems ran so much deeper than just Venom and that ultimately the whole story was utter shit. MJ comes across as a petty little cunt, the whole 'evil' Harry thing is so cheesy, and obvious and so much of it felt like a tired re-tread of part 2.
It seems to me that the whole story / script was at fault and that's why Raimi made a bad movie. I'm sure he never thought he was handling the venom parts badly, but then I'm sure he didn't think he was handling everything else badly too cos presumably he thought it was a good story. -
I'm not trolling here guys, this is a genuine question...do you really think that Raimi deliberately showed his contempt for the character of Venom? It's just that I've heard that arguement a lot as if he deliberately made Spiderman 3 the huge pile of turd that it was. I watched that flick again recently and thought that its problems ran so much deeper than just Venom and that ultimately the whole story was utter shit. MJ comes across as a petty little cunt, the whole 'evil' Harry thing is so cheesy, and obvious and so much of it felt like a tired re-tread of part 2.
It seems to me that the whole story / script was at fault and that's why Raimi made a bad movie. I'm sure he never thought he was handling the venom parts badly, but then I'm sure he didn't think he was handling everything else badly too cos presumably he thought it was a good story. -
That is far more relevant to my interests...
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Bay this franchise the fuck up, I say! More orange sunset slo-mo explosions in Spidey 4! Shia as Peter Parker! Lindsay as MJ! Helen Mirren as Aunt May! CGI as Spidey! Goddamnit, I should be a studio exec.
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1. Sandman: both his origin and the ending.
2.Black suit spiderman
3. Spidey/Green Goblin Jr. pay off. Peter and MJ ending. Things that did not work. 1. Venom 2. Venom 3. Venom. 4. Emo Peter -
-Oded Fehr, who was singed on to play the character of Kraven the hunter is worried that these current re-write may leave his character out (he was only in the film towards the end). Kraven may be completley saved for a fifth movieLizrd's Transfomation was oroginally to be a cliffhanger, but now Raimi has orded it moved completley to the fifth movieMalkovich has done a costume test and while Raiomi is happy with the look, the studio wants more of an armor look to the suit (Raimi is going for a watchmen like look, Sony wants a TDK/Green goblin look
toby Macguire is refusing to shave his moustache and if he has his way Peter will sport a moustache for the film to make him look older -
I love that story; Elfman said something to the effect of 'It was as close to INVASION OF THE BODY SNATCHERS as I could imagine. It was like Sam went to sleep and when he woke up, he wasn't the same man I've known for the last 15 years'. It was about, I believe, his score getting cut up and replaced on SM2.
I swear, these SPIDER-MAN talkbacks are so entertaining. Keep it up, guys. -
The whole goddamn world has been waiting for that villan for 7 years and Sony knows it.
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because it's a private club and only people in the club get to write teh movies, despite any lack of talent
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Mark my wiords, i've seen the scriptment and he's definetly the bad guy, they wanted to set his transformation up in spidey 4 but it has been completley moved to the fifth one. And as anyone can see Dylan Baker is listed in the iofficial casting aannouncment for spidet 4 which means his character will fit nicley
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Jan 06, 2010 12:24:43 PM CST
If raimi is still vying for vulchy, this project can stay dead 4
by stalkeye
"Move along, Move along.."
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that some bloke had submitted a lenghty amazing screenplay/treatment that had enough material and story to fill up the story needs for both SM4 and SM5. What the fuck happened to that screenplay/treatment???? Was it all studio spin.
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grow a dick and. The women become like sex rage infected zombies. How you gonna fight that? Huh.... This could stump superman. I can see supes now, dropping lex into a pit of sexcraved dicked out chicks.
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C'mon Sam, make the film everyone REALLY wants to see... whilst Bruce still has some spunk in him.
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...don't keep making them, unless there's a quality script. It seems like the studio's trying to push this one out, just to make a cash grab. A good Spidey 4'll require patience.
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…is that Spidey doesn’t want to hurt him. That makes for an action/fight sequence with some drama and originality – not just two a-holes pounding on each other. One of the things I liked in the Spidey comics was that Spidey had to fight The Lizard with kid gloves because he didn’t want to hurt Dr. Connors.
I remember an issue where Spidey fought the Juggernaut for an entire book. He realized he couldn’t stop Juggy so he determined to just slow him down until the Avengers or X-Men could arrive. The creative ways he devised to slow down Juggernaut were awesome. Likewsie, a Lizard/Spidey fight on the screen could be one of the coolest, most creative things we’ve ever seen. -
The Vulture is a CLASSIC villain. If Raimi pulled it off successfully for the first two, then just leave him be to do it again. There's nothing worse for movies than when the Suits start to become delusional and fancy themselves as the talent. Raimi is the real star here - let him call the shots, shut up, and just count your dollars when the money starts to pour in.
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he's good for that claustrophobic type of horror/suspense. I think after the lame ass sequel that was S3, this franchise needs not a reboot, but a kickstart.Bring on Liz and Krave!
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I had read somewhere before SM-3 went into production that the Lizard wouldn't be the villain in 3 because Raimi wanted to expand Connor's role in the film prior to him becoming the Lizard. If the audience really gets to know Connor well in the previous film it will make his turn way more tragic because we'll feel we know him, but after the whole Venom debacle there was no room for Connor's role to be expanded in SM 3.So it wouldn't surprise me if Raimi was trying to expand Connor's role in the fourth film, and the studio is fighting him on it because they want more screen time for villains instead of secondary characters. Although I'm sure they're fighting him on the Vulture too, the villain that always made me groan when I saw him on the new cover for that month. But I trust Raimi.
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"WOOOOO-HOOOO..." CRAAAAASH! ...wall.
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"....and if he has his way Peter will sport a moustache for the film to make him look older." Fuckin Jett. That one actually made me laugh though.
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when they just posted anything, like Grando Calrissian.
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..its nice to see a childhood hero web-slinging thru the city and cars and etc but the movies SUCK!...I thought I enjoyed part 2, but honestally it was too damn long andf too damn soapy... the only movie I liked was Spider-Man 3 (yea I know, all you hate it) but it was cool to see that 4 way battle, to see Venom (even tho he was shoehorned in), see the relationship of Pete, MJ, nad Harry play out...it was just the best of the bunch for me... only thing I hated from it was of course the strut scene... but yea, SpiderMan 3 was yourSTEPDADDYs favorite...just like X3 was better than the others
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You have lost it, a Vulturess? You have gone crazy. You must have been crazy to think that the Green Goblin was meant to look like a fuckin Power Ranger. REBOOt this fucker and let James Cameron direct.
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GUY RITCHIE... he usually makes fun movies and Im sure he can get Spidey to wisecrack...
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Because I believe the rights to Spidey go back to Marvel if Sony don't cough up a new movie before a certain date.
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When this movie gets made. It's reboot time folks.
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Venom. The worst offense, in my opinion, making Sandman Uncle Ben's "real" killer (and it was an accident). However, when forced to use Venom, he had a choice on how to use him. Certainly the character's origin is somewhat complex and requires time to develop. Maybe he should have cut the Gwen character, or maybe less Mary Jane, or perhaps he could have used the Ultimate Spider-Man origin instead. Or all 3. Instead he took the requisite Venom pieces and tossed them into the pot seemingly without taking proper care to make sure it all properly mixed together.Oh yeah, one more thing about the movie that displeased me greatly: Once again Spider-Man's motivation for the climactic battle is to save Mary Jane. Isn't the whole notion of "with great power comes great responsibility" about putting your butt on the line to defeat the bad guy because you're the only one who has a chance of stopping him? And not because he's holding your girlfriend hostage? Or your Aunt?
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Summed up all the problems of Spider-Man 3 perfectly. http://tinyurl.com/y9323km And the Vulturess is a stupid, stupid idea.
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DRAG ME TO HELL.
This movie was ecstatically reviewed by aicn on theater release, and courtesy of Blu Ray i've just seen it myself...
Settling back for a good ol' horror flick from Sam Raimi who made some of my faves from back in the day (EVIL DEAD trilogy, DARKMAN and CRIMEWAVE) I was pleased that he began the film in James Bond style with a prologue 'scare' sequence. This soon turned to disappointment when it involved a latino kid being dragged through a marble floor by fakely CGI devil arms and some rather duff acting. It was all seeming a bit artificial and a bit Hollywooden.
Next we discover our heroine is a young actress called Alison Lohman. She's bland faced, flat-chested and not a particularly good actress. Hmm, seems like the potential titilation value of having a female lead is going to be zero.
She does her job as a bank lender well by refusing a loan to a crusty gypsy woman who's already had two failed loans in the past. Refusing the loans not an evil act, but a perfectly understandable one given her job. However this movie and the gypsy woman herself proclaim Alison Lohman to be EVIL! She has shamed the gypsy woman! A gypsy curse is her punishment.
We are next introduced to Justin Long - previously seen as a 'dork' in GALAXY QUEST and DIE HARD 4. However here he is playing a suave doctor 'boyfriend' role. I'd like to say he nails it, but no. He's still a fucking dork and entirely unbelieveable as the 'steady eddie' type character.
Anyway, before you can say Raimi sucks, the gypsy woman is appearing as a hallucination monster and vomiting various CGI materials over Lohman. This goes on for at least an hour. It's not scary, thrilling or interesting.
The film ends with a twist, that all but the village idiot saw coming, and at the end I was left scratching my head why I bothered. AICN recommended you watch this film. I recommend that you dont.
DRAG ME TO HELL, one star out of five from the dojo.
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Some of the problems. But it's hilarious.
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get it away from Sony!
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Jan 06, 2010 6:34:57 PM CST
hopefully the negative reaction to "Vulturess" caused this
by glenn_the_tool
Sony is probably scared shitless of having another Spider-Man movie that is endlessly shat upon, and there's already negative word of mouth over the news of Felicia Hardy/Black Cat being reworked into the "Vulturess." i like Sam Raimi, i really do. and i'd rather see Spider-Man 4 put on hold until they actually get it right instead of throwing something else on the screen that'll further tarnish his reputation as a director.
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It is a night, dare one say a dark knight? Yes, one dares, one dares!
In the distance a rumbling in the heavens can be heard, not unlike the portentous, some might say, ominous, announcement of impending doom! Doom! Doom!
Or, it might just be that the Kingpin has some really bad gas from the fish tacos with extra cheese he had for breakfast that morning. Nevertheless, it spells doom for poor Shoeshine the Beagle, who is buffing the size 27's of one Mr Wilson Fisk, just as he cuts one so hard that three generations of Chinese on the other side of the planet will suffer from uncontrollable shakes and a tendency to crave fried fish with extra cheese.
Meanwhile, in a lonely, dark, damp, closet, a solitary figure, grunts hard and can be heard saying'673...674...675! Ahhhhhhh!'.
Yes, the Batman 'bated, and was immensely satisfied with the result. He had achieved a new level of control. Next goal, 1000 faps before spilling the guano juice. It can be done!
Both men, now having completed their pre-fight rituals, were ready to meet in the squared hexagon. A duel to the death - well at least one of them was thinking that way.
Kingpin entered first, and although high powered Klieg lights had illuminated the entire squared hexagon, The Batman hunched unseen in the shadows, perched on the upper most link of the cage, with his full body weight supported only by his left little toe. *sssss*
'I can see you up there numbnuts, aint no shadows to hunch in!' The Kingpin bellows.
Batman knows this is a trick to get him to reveal himself. He hissses - self-satisfied that he has won the opening gambit.
The fight begins. Batman drops to the floor and moves with lightning quickness, striking hard and fast. His blows reign down on the Kingpin from every direction. Kicks and thrusts and squats and kegels too! The Kingpin has never seen this kind of speed before ...Batman muses.
'Yes I have numbnuts, you know you '"muse out loud right?". I have fought Spiderman, you know, that dude that was bitten by a radioactive spider, given superhuman reflexes and strength?'
With one prodigious punch, launched from a spinning, flying monkey thrust, of the third movement, of the hyena licks its balls, Kingpin lands a blow on The Batman that knocks him clear across the circle, er square, um hexagon.
Batman scrambles to his feet and takes an internal inventory 'liver punctured...spleen ruptured, four ribs swimming freely, yeah this feels good! I have him right where I want him! Come on you rubenesque, cheese eating, fish smelling freak! Time to dance!'
'I can still hear you, you cowl wearing buffoon! And rubenesque refers to a woman!'
I know that, The Batman hissed, satisfied that he had scored another psychological blow to the Kingpins manhood *sssss*.
Time to end this.
He leaps in the air, supremely confident that he has sussed out the enemies weakness, he spins mid-air and attacks from an angle no foe can begin to defend from.
The Kingpin steps aside, reaches out and grabs Batman's cape, and throttles him with it.
'What idiot fights wearing a cape that easily be grabbed? No wonder DC sucks.' The Kingpin thinks before leaving a comatose Batman sprawled on the floor, as he hunts for his favorite all night fish taco stand.
The End. -
your giberish is barely laughable.
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Don't quit your day job, FELCHING your FAMILY, but please, at least learn how to spell gibberish if you're trying to insult someone, you malodorous PONCE!
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Seriously. The Evil Dead movies are fun...because they're so bad. The first one isn't even self-consciously bad like the other two, it's just...bad. Nobody in their right mind likes Spiderman 3, and, when I rewatched the first two after seeing it, I found that it had only revealed shitty tendencies that had always been present. He doesn't get the character, all the dialogue is shitty transparent plot development and character statement, and they're filled with these stupid self-indulgent sequences, like the "Raindrops Keep Falling on my Head" montage and Bruce Campbell's entire appearance in the second movie. And don't get me started on the racist, banal, moronic waste of time that is Drag Me to Hell.
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AAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHHA YOU STUPID FUCKING GIBERISH BASTARD. DR Morbidly Obese piece of shit. You stay on this board hitting refresh until I cum all over your face again...and again...and again...I await your reply with tissue in hand.
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AAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHHA
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raimi should stick with evil dead, i'm actually surprised he didn't have people bawling their eyes out every second and questioning themselves in those movies.
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Check out Nikki Finke's site. Thor swoops in to snag the release date vacated by SM4 - check out Superherohype.
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up his man cunt. This dumb fuck made one watchable SM movie and two mellow dramatic, non-sensical, completely stupid, shit fests. Get rid of him and get a new cast that won't want to take their masks off every 5 seconds.
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If Sony calls it quits on this movie they may not get another crack at it. Disney has said they'll leave all current deals in place, but if Sony tries to back out and start a new project, Disney could say that Marvel has lived up to it's end of the deal and sue Sony for breach of contract since they're not living up to their end of the deal. Giving Disney the rights to make the next film, and a nice check from Sony! Sony isn't just dealing with Marvel now, they're dealing with the full might of Disney's lawyers!
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Only villain needed. Malkovich can take a ballpark frank right up the chute for all I care. They plump when you cook 'em!! Witherspoon as THE TAINT. I smell Oscah.
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if this is for real, than Sam's GOT TO go...http://www.movieline.com/2010/01/movieline-paper-trail-spider-man-4-the-last-set-of-script-notes.php
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I had my doubts but the one about Maguire full-frontal nudity confirmed it. Raimi may be guilty of improperly handling characters, throwing in cute references, and being repetitive. However, there's no way he'd push for something, something no one wants to see, that would make his movie R or, quite possibly, NC17.
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