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Michael Mann To Direct Pilot For DEADWOOD Creator David Milch’s New HBO Horse Drama!!
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“Miami Vice” mastermind Michael Mann will direct “Luck,” the HBO pilot about the world of horseracing from David Milch.
Mann, whose feature work includes “Thief,” “The Keep,” “Manhunter,” “Last of the Mohicans,” “Heat,” “The Insider,” “Ali,” “Collateral,” “Miami Vice” and “Public Enemies,” hasn’t directed for television since the 1989 NBC pilot “L.A. Takedown.”
If it goes forward, this will be the third HBO series from “NYPD Blue” creator Milch, who earlier masterminded the western “Deadwood” and the supernatural drama “John From Cincinnati” for the channel.
Find all of Variety’s story on the matter here.
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an episode or two of his series Robbery Homicide Division? I could be wrong. I hope that series finds its way to DVD at some point... it took a lot of cues from Heat, but was still a very good police procedural and it had a lot of trade mark Mann flourishes.
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Give us more Deadwood. Fuck these new series and conclude the greatness. -
I just don't trust mr mastermind anymore.
Could be good but I'm not going to bother paying attention until its out and reviewed. -
Jan 06, 2010 10:07:31 AM CST
MICHAEL MANN'S "BLACK BEAUTY"
by isleptwithkathybatesandallthatigotwasthi
We open on the outside of a bank. People are moving in and out of a building.Suddenly BLACK BEAUTY gallops through the crowds and leaps through the glass window of the bank in HD.BLACK BEAUTY (V.O): "This is a hold-up! Give me your money!"CASHIER: "My God that horse just lept through the window!"BLACK BEAUTY (V.O): "And that's when i realised there were two flaws in my plan. First; i had left the guns behind because my hooves couldn't hold them. Second; nobody could hear a single word i was saying because i was simply narrating."
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he's dead to me. Remember years ago - Oh yeah, surrrre there will be TWO Deadwood movies the first script is written and everything - MY ASS! So fuck Milch for going from awesome Deadwood to piece-of-shit John from Whogivesafuck. And fuck HBO too for expecting every show to pull in Sopranos level ratings numbers. Deadwood was in many ways the superior show. Anyways, won't watch anything Milch is involved in again ever so could care less about this show.
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deadwood was great blah blah blah I will never give HBO a dime, you get it.
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Thanks for showing us Anna Paquin's tits, fuck you otherwise.
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oops!
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two of the best things HBO ever canceled.
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The two best things to EVER be cancelled
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As art. Bizarre, challenging art.
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Deadwood was raped by its own creator so he could make a lame snoozefest. I will wait for the DVD if the buzz is good. Watching HBO shows is better on DVD anyway - no waiting 18 months for the resolution of a cliffhanger season finale.
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Everything about that show was brilliant. the opaque nature of the show made me want to rewatch it. I'm tempted to get into deadwood, but i don't want to become like the moaning myrtle's on here. Also wasn't milch following up John with a 70's based cop drama?
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I know it wasn't for everyone, but JFC had amazing potential. I think it was just too ambitious, and it took a few episodes for viewers to figure out what the fuck was going on. Unfortunately the reviewers only watched the first episode or two, and made their judgments based on very little evidence. But if you watch the whole series on DVD and listen to the commentaries, you'll realize what a fantastic series this would have been if Milch had the green light for season two.
I hope that Milch will be able to bring along some of his Deadwood/JFC acting troupe to the new series, especially Dayton Callie and Garret Dillahunt. We need more Milch!! -
Do yourself a favour mate, watch Deadwood. Too few truly brilliant drama shows around to let deep fried gold like that pass you buy.
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Agreeing with jackalcack, Deadwood is unbelievably brilliant but for the lack of any resemblance of a satisfying finish.
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Let's hear what you think of Deadwood, Herc. Obviously, you don't think much of it. We deserve to hear why, as anyone with a brain knows it is one of the greatest shows in history.
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It just wasn't everybody's cup of tea.
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George Hearst is the greatest villain of all time.
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That's the 1, 2, 3 of the best television of the decade. The Wire is untouchable, but Deadwood was the most enjoyable Shakespeare western of all time.
theroots, you need to watch Deadwood. The fact that it ends without resolution sucks, but who watches a series for the finale anyway? It's worth it for Ian McShane's performance alone, which was possibly the most entertaining of the 00's. -
Haven't ever seen John from Cincinatti. Is it worth a DVD purchase? I know it was canned after a single run...but is it still worth a look?
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...along with Rome's unceremonious (and ruinous) truncation from three seasons to two permanently put me off of HBO. It still bothers me that we'll never get that fourth season of Deadwood, ending with the great fire that effectively ended those first wild years of existence.
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I thought Deadwood solid entertainment, but preferred The Wire, Sopranos, Rome, Carnivale, Oz and Six Feet Under.
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I loved John From Cincinnati, and I think Amazon had the whole series last month for $9.99. I'd wait for that price to swing around again.
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She's the sole reason it sucks so badly now.
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I second your motion for Hearst. The scene with the axe, and its aftermath, was one of the highlights of the series. It made it even stranger that he lived in a room with the walls ripped down.
We need Deadwood on Blu-ray! -
Do you know anything about this series, and where it will be shown in the US? I noticed it on McShane's IMDB page. Donald Sutherland's also involved.
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One of the great, unfinished shows. Maybe the greatest. And John From Cincinnati was dull, impenetrable sludge. I watched five episodes before finally throwing in the towel. I don't get the love.
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But I'm a dirty limey bastard, so will have to get it over here on my side o' the Atlantic. Retailing for about £16 online at the mo...I think I'll gve it a go. Milch+HBO+supernatural elements+HERC recommendation= I'm there!
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If you enjoy abstract shows that are the polar opposite of instant gradification, give it a try. For most, it takes 6 episodes before really knowing where the show is going. And the kicker is Episode 6 is semi-mindbending that some require the Milch commentary to understand what's going on. I say go for it... just have patience with the show.
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Sounds good. My favourite shows are The Wire, Deadwood, BSG, LOST and Dollhouse so instant gratification is not so much of a problem for me (and in the case of DH I'm used to having to wait till ep 6 for the good stuff to start)
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But it's probably worth a rental. Deadwood is of course great, but that 3rd season was all build-up w/little payoff. They definitely needed something to wrap it up, like um, I don't know, fire.
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George Hearst was good but doesn't hold a candle to Stringer Bell
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This is true.
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...and the other horses say "cocksucker" every other word?
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I thought this was actually going to be a show about HORSES starring HORSES speaking HORSEY! That might make me get HBO, that is the kind of outside the box thinking that drives that network. But no. Just a show about humans profiting from them.
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The entire human race is indebted to the horse and what do they get back? A bunch of fucking carrots and steroids. God fuck it all.
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Deadwood turned into a snoozefest? You're kidding me, season 3 was fucking intense.
As for Rome.. Rome did not end well, I mean, ok the final shot was poetic and shit, I'll give it that. But Heller crammed seasons 2,3,4 all into 6 episodes.. the show was horrid once they realized cancellation was coming. -
Don't get me started on Game of Thrones. Once I get talking about that project I CANNOT shut the fuck up.
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surpassed even the "They Live" fight in epicness. I'm shocked Deadwood isn't in Herc's all-time Top 5, based solely on the fact that Kristen Bell was in 2 or 3 episodes. She was, of course, hotness on a stick, and a great character too. God damn that was a brilliant cast.
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Who say you're done with HBO, you're going to want to withold judgement on that 'till around, oh..say spring 2011. You'll change your mind I gaurentee it. See what I mean? Now I can't stop.
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I think yomama was saying JFC was a snoozefest.
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Yes, that was fucking awesome. "Nice day to go fuck yourself". Fuck I'd love to have a beer with Dan, even though it would probably end with him gutting me over a trivial matter. And The Wire was the shit. That fourth season MOVED me. I was choking back tears by the last shot of that season. Fucking brilliant storytelling.
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...cause I thought "horse drama" meant western. Now? Don't know, is this gonna be about gambling and the mob?
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where Charlie Udder and Dan sit down to have a drink and Dan fucks with him a little before handing him over a drink. It's obvious, Charlie is the only guy besides his boss; that Dan actually respects. That little moment made me smile.
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Is the scene between Adams and Swearengen when Adams is delivering the message from Yankton. At first its just animosity and then Adams is all"Fuck you!" and then Swearengen shoots to his feet "Fuck Me?!" The whole place falls silent.
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What's with all the anti-Milch sentiment? It's not like he didn't want to complete the show. Sure, we could have seen the camp burn down, perhaps some more infighting between Tolliver and Swearengen, leftover business from Hearst, but like the actual town of Deadwood, the idea of the show is the fleeting glory. The whole place was over in a matter of a few decades, reduced to nothingness once the gold was gone. I would have loved a 4th season or the two movies, but after finding more about the actual history of the place, we left the show much in the vein of how the best stories are left. I guess it's like ending Star Wars on "Empire", but everyone knows that's the best one.
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I completely agree but if you look at the supplemental disk from the box set, Milch talks about the aborted fourth season and he SURE sounds like he wanted to finish it. It was pretty obvious that it's still very tough for him to talk about but yeah, i like where the show ended. Capitalism swept into town and completely fucked up the sense of community they built over three years and isn't that pretty much the story of America at this point?
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That's all I've got against Milch, sorry.
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Like Six Feet Under, The Sopranos, Deadwood, In Treatment and True Blood. It's also produced some interesting but flawed series like John From Cincinnati and The Wire. But I'm glad to see it's getting back into hour long dramas. David Milch is a great talent. Hopefully this time he can bring everything together to duplicate Deadwood's success.
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That's an interesting opinion, to say the least. The Wire is quite possibly the best that US television has ever produced: entertaining, well-written, great acting, and actual real-world complication of issues (as opposed to the cartoon version of reality in 99% of all cop shows). Why do you consider it more flawed than Six Feet Under? (I like your list of the best, except I'd include The Wire and swap Big Love for 6 ft.)
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Going through that one right now. On the third episode of the second season. Fell in love with EVERY CHARACTER so, so far, so good. But Big Love is that good, huh? That's next on my list then.
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Love "Deadwood!" You cocksuckers can eat it!
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Tough call on my favorite character from Deadwood. I guess Swearengen has to come first. Utter and Ellsworth is tough, might give the edge to Charlie cos he was a badass motherfucker, wasn't afraid to stand up to anyone and gave the impression he could take care of himself just fine. Ellsworth, steady, standup, no-nonsense, funny as shit, great with Alma's daughter. And Calamity Jane, tragic, hot mess, insecure and hides it by drinking, also funny as shit. And The Goat is right, the fight between Dan and Hearst's body guard was EPIC. Epic and scary as shit, I was shaking when it ended. And Dan's reaction afterwards, despite his bravado he was shaken to the core, too...so anyway, Milch = me watching, end of story.
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Agreed Zod. NYPD Blue got all the press but the underated Homicide is the real masterpiece by far and was completely ignored because that soap opera stole all the thunder. But Deadwood still rocks. For favorite characters i got to go with Charlie and Dan becuase they're complete badasses who are completely without guile. They may be fuck your shit up but you always know where you stand with them. God, I loved it when Charlie kicked the shit out of that serial killer. Who hasn't fantasized about fucking up a piece of shit like that? Now, whenever I see one of these kid-murdering, serial killing cowards; i just picture Charlie beating the ever loving shit out of them. Fuck yeah Charlie! Fuck that bitch up!
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Herc has zero credibility. Seriously, that's something that a silly five year old would say. How the fuck did you get a gig writing for this web site?
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Did you even go to school, Herc? Or are you some home schooled gibbon?
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"It made it even stranger that he lived in a room with the walls ripped down. "
Hearst liveds in a room with the walls ripped down because he cannot stand the enclosures of civilzation. It's why he prefers his finds to be in "wild places." I have a peer reviewed article on Deadwood coming out this year in Literary Imagination that addresses this very issue. -
You've never watched Deadwood, have you? It's ok, you can admit it. It's so patently obvious you don't have the feintest fucking clue what you're talking about. What did you, watch the first episode and then grow bored because it wasn't as captivating as Sister Sister?
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crap. Herc is still crazy.
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Cato, you should always peer review your comments before posting.
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...in that order. Wire gets marked down because it is too marred in the final season by Daivd Simon's politcal crackpottery. Deadwood wins because it is the most ballsy use of the English language since Shakespeare. What other show has it own invented dialect with characters reciting cocksucking soliloquies.
Lost in the debate about J from C is that it, at times, was one of the funniest shows imaginable. Also, Ed O'Neill deserved the award for, like, best TV acting ever. -
"Dead Wood" is the description of all 12 eps of Deadwood's third season. We just rewatched the first two seasons and the promise left from the season two close is still ringing in my head. The turd - par'n me, third - season was 12 hours of the characters jerking each other off with no climaxes.
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Deadwood is my emotional favorite, because it was just so damned entertaining. But The Wire is both entertaining and daring, especially the unbeatable 4th season.
Nice to see so much love for JFC. I thought my wife and I were the only ones. The show should've won an Emmy for just for showing that Luke Perry could actually act! The only real problem with it was Rebecca DeMornay, whose character was nothing but a hag. Ugh. -
As much as I loved the fight between Dan and the goon, my favorite scene was Swearengen's soliloquy to the Indian's head in the box. Talk about the sacred and the profane.
William Sanderson had some pretty damned good soliloquies himself, in what was probably his funniest role. -
Jan 06, 2010 10:12:54 PM CST
Glad to hear. HBO is desperately in need of some Primetime progr
by redjester
When True Blood is your best show, you're in trouble...
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would be great. John should have stayed in Ohio or whatever and HBO should have finished Deadwood. It was a fantastic cast allround and who can forget Swedgin putting the preacher out of his misery when nobody else would do it.
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...whenever I see someone who doesn't like The Wire that they feel that way specifically because they dislike Simon's politics. See, Simon's nuanced view of society is far too intelligent and insightful for their simplistic world-view. It makes it far too hard for them to focus their inchoate rage on those damn poor (and black, though they wouldn't admit it) people who selfishly refuse to pull themselves up by their bootstraps, get off the public dole, and get a joerb like everyone else. Such people are, inevitably, self described conservatives, Republicans, or Libertarians.
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No competition. Both are amazing, but "The Wire" has so many moments that I've never seen before (or since) and it's densely textured world is so overreaching that it's like Thomas Pynchon writing "Prince of the City" — except EVERY CHARACTER in the city has a voice."The Soporanos" is great, but it's not even close to the sophistication and scope of "The Wire". But, great performances and characters; and I loved the final episode.
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...considering the biggest obstacles to positive change featured on that show (the politicians, high-ranking officials, and cottage industries that surround them) are Democrat/liberally-minded. What's that say about your side of the aisle?
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Yes, that's what the fourth and fifth seasons are largely about. Bureaucracy, Politics, and Institutional Paralysis/Inertia. He's very specific in pointing out that ideas and solutions are out there, yet no one will implement them due to some combination of apathy, antipathy, or incompetence. He also shows, several times, how NGOs (liberal, of course, is there such a thing as a conservative NGO?) are often more effective at diagnosing and treating societal problems.
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I'll say it again, one of the greatest TV shows ever canceled. Ever. A beautiful thing.
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Sounds like a job for the SOPRANOS guy, not the surfing Jesus guy.
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Town burns down, drunk, broke Swerengin staggers in front of train. Chinaman says he one dead cocksucker.
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I don't care who killed Deadwood, Milch or HBO, but by doing so they've bought my everlasting disgust. I have HBO only for True Blood, and as I can get that online I'm considering canceling it altogether. All HBO shows (except TB) are of the "whining white people" variety now anyway, and I KNOW they'll never have anything like The Sopranos, Deadwood and Rome on ever again.
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Seth Bullock meets Teddy Roosevelt, Builds a hotel on the former site of his hardware store and dies of ball cancer. Chinaman says he another dead cocksucker.
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Sanderson: (overhearing the end of a conversation) "Anything the new mayor should know?" Al (eyeing his dandy get-up distastefully): "The name of a new fucking tailor?" Guaranteed half a dozen gems in every episode. And still we burn for those 2 final movies. Sigh.
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and got all excited.
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He had the opportunity to finish Deadwood with 6 episodes. He instead chose to do John from Cincinnati and "maybe" finish off deadwood in the future.
Well John from Cinci sucked ass, with some really terrible acting and writing.
I don't want anything to do with HBO or Milch anymore. -
His response: "I'd rather try touching the moon than take on a whore's thinkin'.
Boxcutter's right. Gems.
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for not finishing his show. Its his show. Jesus. Lighten up. He wanted to do something else and they had already cancelled it. Even if they had done the specials, they would have had to change the format, (every ep is usually just one day in Deadwood) so people would just have bitched and moaned anyway. As is, we have 3 seasons of GOLD. If you wanna be mad at HBO be mad about what they did to Carnivale.
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The HBO chief went to milch and said we can't fund a full season, how about a 6 episode season, and then go work on your next show. Milch said no thanks and went straight to the next show.
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I tried watching it the first couple of seasons and found it boring. I watched the fourth season and really enjoyed it. Great TV. While waiting for the fifth and final season to debut, I watched the first three seasons through Netflix. The first two seasons are not that interesting. The third, with "Hamsterdam", is well done. As I said, the fourth is great. But then I saw the fifth and final season, and it was fucking awful. The cliche about a journalist who makes up stories (how many times had we already seen that before?) and the cartoonish antics of McNulty trying to make it look like there was a serial killer on the loose? Talk about disappointed! The fifth season absolutely sucked, with a really, really corny "Here's what happens to the characters" ending. God awful. The creator (I can't remember his name) tried to drum up interest by saying The Wire was "really" a novel (God help us all) and "Dickensian." (Ditto.) The Wire is terribly flawed. Compared to Six Feet Under, it's a pebble next to a mountain.
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There are 3 more books chronologically after Last of the Mohicans... come on it would rock! And anyway... what has Daniel Day Lewis done lately except for that obscure oil sucking movie??
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I'm 100% with you on that.
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Still waiting for my reunion movie. With originals.
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By spring of 2011, YOU WILL regret saying that.
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Jan 08, 2010 5:05:59 PM CST
Damn, this is awesome, but I'm dying for GAME OF THRONES
by colonelfatheart
news. God, I hope HBO finds it's worth the investment!
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Finish what you started. We get 2 fucking Sex in the City movies and no Deadwood resolution? GGGAAAAAYYY!!!!!!!!!My favorite Deadwood scene was when Swearengen is telling Merrick to harden the fuck up. "...stand like a man, and give some back...". Hung die.
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...I won't be watching it at all. The casting is so uniformly horrible (with exception of Sean Bean, whose character gets killed off right away, and possibly Jennifer Ehle) that there's no way I'd sully my memory of the book by viewing it. The guy they cast as Jaime Lanister is particularly appalling - a personality-free, totally unremarkable Eurotrash actor. The whole thing is going to stink, and HBO will abandon it faster than they did Rome (which had a wonderful cast).
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