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“McCroker” calls it “heartbreaking and exhilarating”:
Dude,
anyone who gives a spoiler on this needs shooting. Last 20 minutes were heartbreaking and exhilerating at the same time, and, love him or hate him, testament to why Russel T Davies was successful in resurrecting the Doctor. Everything you want your expectations to live up to.
Don't wanna say anymore, cus I don't wanna spoil it, and movies or films, I've never been so sincere with that statement.
“palimpsest” calls it “hamfisted psychotwattery masquerading as twisty storytelling”:
Hi Herc
Another quick overview of the last Tennant/Davies-era WHO, "The End of Time", which has just concluded here in the UK.
And what a load of old sweaty bollocks it was too.
We left the last ep with the cliffhanger that The Master had cloned the Earth's entire population, because he was up to unspecified badness. Then the Timelords brought themselves back from being locked out of time through vaguely described methodology.
Then there was an escape, and some spaceship stuff and a bit of DAMBUSTERS/STAR WARS action and a Mexican standoff and a big planet almost materialised but this was averted at the last minute due to something being blown up and all the baddies got what was coming to them but at great cost to the principal goodie.
That's pretty much exactly what it was like. Imagine feeding three pints of ice-cream to a hyperactive child, giving them a couple of goes on a rollercoaster and then asking them to explain what they'd done at school three days earlier. That's how coherent it was..
In fairness, all the performances were good, though special mention goes to Bernard Cribbins as old soldier Wilfred. There were a few nice lines (as ever Davies is actually more than competent at character work, and has a superb ear for baroque titles for off-screen menaces) and even a sly dig at grumblers on the internet ("Worst. Escape. Ever!").
The whole thing, though, was ultimately a mix of an hour of hamfisted psychotwattery masquerading as twisty storytelling, followed by fifteen minutes of self-indulgent luvviness as The Doctor whizzed around time and space to say cheerio to all the Russell Davies-created characters he could find, and then a regeneration...
...and as Davies wrote the last regeneration sequence, this one felt a bit samey, though in the few seconds new boy Matt Smith was onscreen he displayed something of a spark, so that went rather okay.
Tennant was good throughout, and I'm sure many viewers will have been touched by his character's unwillingness to go, but there was no dramatic logic to the final reel. Imagine the last half hour of RETURN OF THE KING in the Daviesverse. That's what it was like. And not in a good way.
In the end, Davies allowed himself to take the success of the last five years a little too much for granted, and failed to come close to the relative heights of last year's climactic episodes. This was an unwieldy mish-mash, and he's hung on to the series stewardship perhaps a year too long. At least he's wrapped up most of the loose ends so that future show-runners aren't saddled with his increasingly soapy baggage.
Mind you, in three times Hugo winner Steven Moffat we trust. Here's hoping he can return the series back to DOCTOR WHO, rather than to RUSSELL DAVIES' VERSION OF DOCTOR WHO, which isn't the same thing at all.
See you in the talkbacks
“Gabba-UK” says it was a “much better episode than Part One”:
Hi Herc,
The end comes to us all, of course, except for The Doctor.
This was a much better episode than Part One and I think all the fans can all agree that they gave David Tennant the send off he deserved. But not in quite the way the way you'd think.
Rightio, to carry on I have to assume that you've seen Part One, if you haven't there be some SPOILERS!!!
Carrying on from last week The Lord President of the TimeLords (Timothy Dalton) address' the council of Gallifray. It's the last day of The Time War, their time locked and not happy. There is a prophecy that speaks of two survivors, children of Gallafray, that are beyond the end of time. The Doctor and The Master and a place that is repeated again and again, Earth
Back on Earth, The Doctor is tied up with Wilf and The Master is monologuing when Donna calls her gramps phone. The Human-Masters around the Earth begin to look for her and as she about to be cornered the images of her time on the TARDIS rush into her head before a burst of energy is flung her, knocking down her assailants and putting her out stone cold. A piece of protection left her by The Doctor, it also ensures that we have as little to do with Donna bloody Noble for the rest of the show. Yes, I'm a Tater. Deal with it.
The Master recalls The Tempered Schism he was shown as an eight year old, the never ending drums in his head since that day that drove him mad. As he does The Lord President recalls the same story, and the master realises that with 6 billion versions of him with the same drumming in their head he can use it to triangulate the signal, for that is what he now knows it was. Trouble is, The Timelords know that too and it's a way for them to return to normal space and carry on with their master plan. Which is pretty bad for the rest of us and a finally gives us the answer as to why The Doctor decided to destroy them along with the Daleks.....
Thats enough of the plot I think. You'll just have to Bit Torrent it to watch it.
Whats bad about it?
Not much to be honest. The scenery chewing that John Simm was doing last week was toned down a lot, leaving us with performance that showed a lot of the inner torture of The Master.
Whats good about it...
Most of it frankly. The production had a high level of polish to it. The music wasn't as bombastic and intrusive. And it had a great bit with Bernard Cribbins and a man for a cactus for a head, that wasn't a million miles from the escape from the Death Star scene in Star Wars. A scene that was a total rip of the cantina scene in the same film (and Not done too badly in fact) And a genuine knockout twist about 'he will knock 4 times'.
Also RTD wrote a very lovely ending with The Doctor Visiting ALL his companions and rounding off his time on the series very nicely. In the Doctor Who Confidential afterwards he said he wrote that as a way for the incoming Moffet to draw a line and create new characters and not feel beholden to carry on with them. For all the criticism RTD has got, some deserved, some not, I feel that all Who fans should say thank you and wish him well. He did the near impossible, resurrect a failed and at time very silly series and brought it up to date with a fresh take on it and made it fun again.
And after the confidential show? A brief teaser of Matt Smith doing his thing, which looks more livelier, ' Geronimo ', more fistcuffs, the Statues from Blink, Alex Kingston, his hot new assistant and him firing a gun?!! "
"Trust me. I'm The Doctor"
“Eldron” calls it “a bit of a mixed bag”:
Good evening world, here are my thoughts and review on the final David Tennant episode of Doctor Who - The End Of Time.
In the last days of the Time War, the President of Gallifrey and the High Council of Time Lords come up with their escape plan. They focus a signal, the four beats of a Time Lord's heart, into the vortex, to be received by the young Master, who hears them as drums in his head that fuel his insanity. Following his takeover of the Planet Earth, the Master is able to focus all 6 billion of himself onto the signal, creating a link between Earth and Gallifrey, which is then exploited by the Time Lords to force Gallifrey to materialise outside of the Time War and escape its fate.
Meanwhile, the cactus aliens spring the Doctor and Wilf from the Master's capture, and teleport them to their scout ship in orbit. The Doctor disbales the ship to prevent the aliens from piloting it away from Earth. While repairing the ship, he receives a broadcast from the Master explaining the return of Gallifrey. The Doctor reactivates the ship, evades a missile attack, and freefalls into the mansion which is acting as the Nexus between Earth and Gallifrey.
The President and his entourage appear on Earth, revealing the source of the Master's drums and revealing his desire to destroy the universe to assure the Time Lords' immortality. The Doctor, armed with Wilf's WWII firearm, is faced with the choice - kill the President or kill the Master, to break the link with Gallifrey and banish it back to the Time War. Choosing life, he destroys the machinery creating the link, banishing his people. The Master uses the last of his life force to prevent the President, revealed as Rassilon, from exacting vengeance on the The Doctor, and disappears with Gallifrey.
In the chaos, Wilf has got himself locked in a chamber. He knocks four times to ask the Doctor to release him, and the Doctor knows his time has come. He enters the chamber to release Wilf, and receives a fatal dose of radiation. He returns Wilf to his family, including Donna, who has survived the partial recovery of her memories. The Doctor then embarks on a farewell tour, seeing Martha, Mickey and Sarah-Jane one more time. He sets the exiled Captain Jack up with the stranded Midshipman Frame, and visits the granddaughter of Nurse Redfern at a book signing. Finally, he visist Rose on New Year's Eve 2005, before they meet.
Returning to his TARDIS, the Ood sing for him as he regenerates into his Eleventh incarnation. The regeneration destroys the TARDIS interior, and the new Doctor fights to prevent the TARDIS from crash landing into Earth.
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This super-sized finale was a bit of a mixed bag, to be honest. For the msot part it was a lot more focused than part one. There was an actual plot for the majority of the episode for a start. And yet it was ultimately unsatisfying. I have felt for a long time that Stolen Earth/Journey's End was the best finale that the RTD era could want, tying up multiple plot lines, featuring guest appearances from the entire modern-era Doctor Who family, and being a bloody good story to boot. And unfortunately, The End Of Time just isn;'t the same.
So what worked? Bernard Cribbins was absolutely fantastic in this episode. He was everything a companion should be - excited and awed by the events he witnesses, an innocent party to the Doctor's death, and the real heart of the episode. The quiet conversation between him and the Doctor, where WIlf talks about his military experiences and attempts to convince the Doctor to arm himself with a gun, was easily the dramatic highlight of the episode. The action sequences, with the scout vessel fending off missile attacks and the Doctor's final, triumphant 'Allons-y!' injected the episode with a real shot of energy, something which had been missing from Part One. And John Simm turned in his best performance ever as The Master, whose redemption was fitting and beautiful.
What didn't work? The Time Lords always worked better as a concept rather than a reality, and their much-heralded return amounting to standing around in some whiteness before being told to bugger off didn't live up to the years of expectation. After appearing to take the centre stage at the end of Part One, Donna's story was solved quickly and with one of RTD's deus ex machinas - a defence mechanism implanted by the Doctor that not only saved her life but also neutralised the Master clones chasing her.
And the Death of The Doctor. All half an hour of it. From his selfish, petulant anger at Wilf to his final line ('I don't want to go), this over-extended love-in pales in comparison to the wonder of the Ecclestone-Tennant transition. Tennant should have embraced his future at the end, setting off on the next stage in his journey, instead of moping in self-pity right until the end. Some fo the goodbyes worked - Martha and Mickey was a wonderful moment of humour, and the unspoken words between Sarah-Jane and the Doctor had me welling up with tears. But Midshipman Frame? Surely only there because RTD fancies the pants off Russell Tovey (see The Writers Tale for much more detail). And no last minute reprieve for Donna? A real shame.
Matt Smith impressed during his first minute or so of screen time, and with Steven Moffat taking over behind the scenes, I think we have had enough of Number Ten, and we are ready fro Number Eleven.
“Spud McSpud” seems grateful the Davies era has ended:
So - Part 2! GALLIFREY RISES!!!
And then... Well, first - a warning. HERE BE SPOILERS. CAN OPEN, SPOILERS EVERYWHERE.
Is it any good? Hell YEAH, in certain parts, and others are so painfully badly written you can't help but groan. Niggets of awesomeness swimming in a river of shite. So, where to begin?
Well, first off, RTD manages not one shit Deus-Ex-Machina, but TWO. Bernard Cribbins is once again far and away the best thing in this show. David Tennant gives one of the best performances of his WHO career. And Matt Smith will be Gallifreyan Marmite (love him or hate him - there is no "meh").
So, Donna is frothing in the mind at seeing multiple Masters everywhere. The entire human race is now The Master. The Doctor can't stop him - yet. It's the rise of the "Master Race". And the Master has a plan. Does he? He does. The episode starts with the Doctor in captivity, strapped to a gurney, ready for a wonderful scene where he tries to convince the Master that it would be his honour to travel the universe at his side, as allies, not enemies. Isn't it enough to see the universe, to travel its breadth of space and time, rather than try to own it? The Master just wants the drumming in his head to stop. And eventually he figures out that if he uses all 6 billion sets of ears, he might be able to triangulate where the signal is coming from. And after last week's cliffhanger, guess where? Oh yes. GALLIFREY.
No explanation as to how any of this works, of course. Simm is less annoying in this, not so much flying and "I'm hungry" rubbish. The plot makes more sense - especially the clever idea that the Lord President of Gallifrey used the signal as a way of keeping a link to outside the Time War - almost as if he knew it would eventually be time-locked. And as the plan to escape the time-locked Time War's final day is directly linked to what is going on in the Master's head (though how this works is, predictably, nonsensical, and completely left unexplained by RTD), of course this all comes to a head, as the Time Lords finally escape their prison locked within the Time War, and manage to transport themselves - and Gallifrey itself! - out into our universe.
Oh, and we find out WHY the Doctor destroyed his own people by locking them eternally into the Time War...
I can't spoil all the revelations - the reason why the Time Lords had to be stopped is actually compelling stuff, very cleverly conceived and written, and deserved more of a five-parter than the half-an-episode RTD gives it here. The Time Lords are brought back and bainshed again in much the same way you'd buy a cheeseburger and then throw it away - WAAAY too easily. Gallifrey is literally a blink-and-it's-gone event. And there's more of those wonderful nuggets of mythos that could REALLY be something awesome in the hands of someone greater - the Hall of Travesties, the Nightmare Child, the fact that the Time War actually descended into Hell, as the combatants created monsters so blasphemous their existence was contrary to anything else in creation, that they actually became almost demonic in nature. And that as long as the Time War remains in time-lock, it will be fought ceaselessly, never to end - Hell, indeed.
So, is it any good? Performance-wise, Tennant is glorious in this episode - I heartily agreed with his last words, as did Mrs Spud-To-Be. Tears aplenty in our house. He really gives the essence of a man who is afraid to relinquish up his life, because he wants - NEEDS - to do more, yet has no choice. Never mind that his death scene is a direct rip-off of Spock's in WRATH OF KHAN, or that he can't die of what he dies of because he shook the same stuff out of his right foot in SMITH & JONES (yes, RTD pulls a Lucas and forgets his own mythology). Never mind that between getting his fatal dose and actually regenerating, Tennant gets more endings than three re-runs of RETURN OF THE KING. Never mind that the painfully obvious gay reference here (and I KNOW RTD is doing this for fun now) is rammed straight into a STAR WARS Cantina rip-off so obvious you're amazed it hasn't got Peter from FAMILY GUY fronting the Bith band (Firgin D'An and the Modal Nodes. Yes, I'm THAT anal. Fnar fnar). But despite RTD's best efforts to fuck all this up, Tennant is so riveting, so magnetic in his last adventure, that you are with him every step of the way. He's glorious in his last Doctor episode.
Bernard Cribbins steals the rest of the show. Proud, noble (pun intended), brave, and absolutely there with the Doctor all the way, his Wilf is the best Companion the Doctor never had. His shining moment in the STAR WARS Falcon-gunners-vs-TIE-fighters rip-off scene (the Hesperus ship vs Earth missiles) is so fantastic, I punched the air with joy. Oh yes. I AM Tom Cruise on Oprah. Fuck it, Cribbin's is THE MAN. He's the next greatest thing in this episode.
Everyone else is there for the ride. Dalton is ultimately rendered pointless - a shame, since a real return of the Time Lords with him at the helm would have been next-level awesome, but it's not to be. Catherine Tate is given virtually nothing to do, except for her what-the-fuck moment where she can suddenly shoot stunning psychic energy from her head (also not explained, probably because it's also nonsensical), as are any of the other cameos. There's some fun stuff - Mickey and Martha, the time when Tennant last visits Rose (yep, she's here, but it's very well done, poignant, and doesn't feel forced at all), and the STAR WARS cantina rip-off scene is kind of funny. But most of this episode is shite, and Tennant and Cribbins hold it together. Their performances cancel out the maelstrom of suck, and render this a very good episode indeed. It's good acting versus RTD's shitty scriptwriting, and Good Acting wins out.
Oh, and the Eleventh Doctor? His intro is very reminiscent of Tennant's, and lots and LOTS of fun. Looks like we're getting a TARDIS revamp next season (about time too!), and I like Matt Smith's Doctor very much - very energetic, fun, and enthusiastic. And love his new catchphrase, "Geronimo!!". Great stuff.
I'll leave you with the thought that RTD actually turned down the chance to write for the STAR WARS live TV series. I think we all had a lucky escape there, on the basis of THIS script - but the new season is run by a man who turned down writing for Spielberg again over the chance to showrun DOCTOR WHO. His priorities are above reproach - Moffat IS the man to take WHO to greater heights.
Happy New Year to you all. Spud McSpud out...
“Stanton” calls the first 50 minutes “a bit shit”:
The episode essentially consists of two parts: a fifty minute resolution to the previous episode, and a twenty-five minute "David Tennant (and RTD) are off, best say goodbye" bit. The plots barely intermesh.
The fifty minute bit was a bit shit, frankly, or average at any rate. A typical over-blown earth in peril business. RTD has never been very good at plots.
But he is good at the little moments in an episode, and there were lots of nice ones in the last twenty-five minutes, as if you get to the bottom of a box of chocolates and find the best ones are still in it.
Things I particularly liked: an understated and appropriate fulfilment of the knocking four times prophecy, after lots of red herrings... a "happily ever after moment" for Donna which cunningly used time travel... and John Barrowman and Russell Tovey meeting in a bar for the gays. (Couldn't quite figure out why Tovey was there - didn't his character die? But still.)
On the other hand... A lot of it was RTD saying goodbye to himself - his crapper alien creations make a gratuitous appearance, presumably because he knows they'll never be seen again. Not sure why the Doctor said goodbye to a present-day descendant of someone he'd loved (duh, he's a time traveller...). And the understated way you thought he was going to die was ultimately upstaged by some overblown regeneration special effects. All in all though, the last twenty five minutes was the best bit of Doctor Who I've seen for a while.
And Matt Smith... Looks so young. He gives a very energetic, comic performance, but it felt kind of out of step with the pathos of the previous twenty minutes or so, so he didn't look too good compared to David Tennant. RTD favoured Russell Tovey for the part, which is presumably why he made a random appearance - and hell, today I'd agree.
“Lord Porkington” says it’s “not one of Russell's better episodes”:
Hi Herc,
I'm a long time fan of Doctor Who (Tom Baker was *my* Doctor) and figured I'd send in a review of Mr Tennant's finale as the 10th Doctor while I'm visiting my family in England. I'll try to keep it short, but not spoiler free, so beware! Allons-y!
To be honest with you, I wasn't overly impressed with Part 1, and Part 2 is only a slight improvement, if only for the way it all wraps up in the end. Russell T Davies puts a nice 'full stop' at the end of his tenure as Executive Producer and lets us see all of his significant characters one more time before leaving, but I'm jumping ahead of myself. What of the actual meat and bones of the show?
Well, as usual, Russell handles the smaller, character intensive scenes much better than he does the 'spaceships and explosions' scenes, and his final episode proves to be no different. The so-called 'action sequence' was rather laboured, whilst the interaction between The Doctor and Wilfred Mott towards the end was engaging and rather moving. I did manage one laugh at least, that being the Doctor's annoyance at being wheeled out of the Master's lair on a trolley and crying out "Worst rescue ever!"
I still find the Master's plot to turn everyone on Earth into himself to be bloody stupid, and the way it's reversed by the Time Lord President is typical Davies, it's a 'blink and you'll miss it' solution in the end. Timothy Dalton snarls his way through this second installment just as he did in the first, and the Time Lords disappear just as mysteriously as they appeared, although at least they explain why the Master hears the drumming in his head. There's also the Time Lady who seems to know The Doctor, and they give each other a meaningful look during a key scene towards the end. Could this be The Doctor's wife? Or possibly his mother? Will Steven Moffat address this in the new series? Did he ask for this to be shown due to his previous mentions of The Doctor's family? We'll find out soon enough...
The episode wraps things up rather nicely, leaving Mr Moffat with a clean slate to start all over again. We see Martha, Mickey, Donna, Wilf, Rose, Jack and a few others from previous episodes (my favourite being the amazing Jessica 'Spaced' Hynes nee Stevenson) after The Doctor knows his regeneration has already begun, and we even find out why the Tardis has a new look for the next series, which was a nice touch.
So my verdict? Not one of Russell's better episodes (his best being 'Turn Left'), but it could have been so much worse. I'd say 6 out of 10, pushing for a 7 mainly due to the last 15 minutes. Can't wait for Moffat's attempt to improve the show even further!
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anyone who gives a spoiler on this needs shooting. Last 20 minutes were heartbreaking and exhilerating at the same time, and, love him or hate him, testament to why Russel T Davies was successful in resurrecting the Doctor. Everything you want your expectations to live up to.
Don't wanna say anymore, cus I don't wanna spoil it, and movies or films, I've never been so sincere with that statement.
Another quick overview of the last Tennant/Davies-era WHO, "The End of Time", which has just concluded here in the UK.
And what a load of old sweaty bollocks it was too.
We left the last ep with the cliffhanger that The Master had cloned the Earth's entire population, because he was up to unspecified badness. Then the Timelords brought themselves back from being locked out of time through vaguely described methodology.
Then there was an escape, and some spaceship stuff and a bit of DAMBUSTERS/STAR WARS action and a Mexican standoff and a big planet almost materialised but this was averted at the last minute due to something being blown up and all the baddies got what was coming to them but at great cost to the principal goodie.
That's pretty much exactly what it was like. Imagine feeding three pints of ice-cream to a hyperactive child, giving them a couple of goes on a rollercoaster and then asking them to explain what they'd done at school three days earlier. That's how coherent it was..
In fairness, all the performances were good, though special mention goes to Bernard Cribbins as old soldier Wilfred. There were a few nice lines (as ever Davies is actually more than competent at character work, and has a superb ear for baroque titles for off-screen menaces) and even a sly dig at grumblers on the internet ("Worst. Escape. Ever!").
The whole thing, though, was ultimately a mix of an hour of hamfisted psychotwattery masquerading as twisty storytelling, followed by fifteen minutes of self-indulgent luvviness as The Doctor whizzed around time and space to say cheerio to all the Russell Davies-created characters he could find, and then a regeneration...
...and as Davies wrote the last regeneration sequence, this one felt a bit samey, though in the few seconds new boy Matt Smith was onscreen he displayed something of a spark, so that went rather okay.
Tennant was good throughout, and I'm sure many viewers will have been touched by his character's unwillingness to go, but there was no dramatic logic to the final reel. Imagine the last half hour of RETURN OF THE KING in the Daviesverse. That's what it was like. And not in a good way.
In the end, Davies allowed himself to take the success of the last five years a little too much for granted, and failed to come close to the relative heights of last year's climactic episodes. This was an unwieldy mish-mash, and he's hung on to the series stewardship perhaps a year too long. At least he's wrapped up most of the loose ends so that future show-runners aren't saddled with his increasingly soapy baggage.
Mind you, in three times Hugo winner Steven Moffat we trust. Here's hoping he can return the series back to DOCTOR WHO, rather than to RUSSELL DAVIES' VERSION OF DOCTOR WHO, which isn't the same thing at all.
See you in the talkbacks
The end comes to us all, of course, except for The Doctor.
This was a much better episode than Part One and I think all the fans can all agree that they gave David Tennant the send off he deserved. But not in quite the way the way you'd think.
Rightio, to carry on I have to assume that you've seen Part One, if you haven't there be some SPOILERS!!!
Carrying on from last week The Lord President of the TimeLords (Timothy Dalton) address' the council of Gallifray. It's the last day of The Time War, their time locked and not happy. There is a prophecy that speaks of two survivors, children of Gallafray, that are beyond the end of time. The Doctor and The Master and a place that is repeated again and again, Earth
Back on Earth, The Doctor is tied up with Wilf and The Master is monologuing when Donna calls her gramps phone. The Human-Masters around the Earth begin to look for her and as she about to be cornered the images of her time on the TARDIS rush into her head before a burst of energy is flung her, knocking down her assailants and putting her out stone cold. A piece of protection left her by The Doctor, it also ensures that we have as little to do with Donna bloody Noble for the rest of the show. Yes, I'm a Tater. Deal with it.
The Master recalls The Tempered Schism he was shown as an eight year old, the never ending drums in his head since that day that drove him mad. As he does The Lord President recalls the same story, and the master realises that with 6 billion versions of him with the same drumming in their head he can use it to triangulate the signal, for that is what he now knows it was. Trouble is, The Timelords know that too and it's a way for them to return to normal space and carry on with their master plan. Which is pretty bad for the rest of us and a finally gives us the answer as to why The Doctor decided to destroy them along with the Daleks.....
Thats enough of the plot I think. You'll just have to Bit Torrent it to watch it.
Whats bad about it?
Not much to be honest. The scenery chewing that John Simm was doing last week was toned down a lot, leaving us with performance that showed a lot of the inner torture of The Master.
Whats good about it...
Most of it frankly. The production had a high level of polish to it. The music wasn't as bombastic and intrusive. And it had a great bit with Bernard Cribbins and a man for a cactus for a head, that wasn't a million miles from the escape from the Death Star scene in Star Wars. A scene that was a total rip of the cantina scene in the same film (and Not done too badly in fact) And a genuine knockout twist about 'he will knock 4 times'.
Also RTD wrote a very lovely ending with The Doctor Visiting ALL his companions and rounding off his time on the series very nicely. In the Doctor Who Confidential afterwards he said he wrote that as a way for the incoming Moffet to draw a line and create new characters and not feel beholden to carry on with them. For all the criticism RTD has got, some deserved, some not, I feel that all Who fans should say thank you and wish him well. He did the near impossible, resurrect a failed and at time very silly series and brought it up to date with a fresh take on it and made it fun again.
And after the confidential show? A brief teaser of Matt Smith doing his thing, which looks more livelier, ' Geronimo ', more fistcuffs, the Statues from Blink, Alex Kingston, his hot new assistant and him firing a gun?!! "
"Trust me. I'm The Doctor"
In the last days of the Time War, the President of Gallifrey and the High Council of Time Lords come up with their escape plan. They focus a signal, the four beats of a Time Lord's heart, into the vortex, to be received by the young Master, who hears them as drums in his head that fuel his insanity. Following his takeover of the Planet Earth, the Master is able to focus all 6 billion of himself onto the signal, creating a link between Earth and Gallifrey, which is then exploited by the Time Lords to force Gallifrey to materialise outside of the Time War and escape its fate.
Meanwhile, the cactus aliens spring the Doctor and Wilf from the Master's capture, and teleport them to their scout ship in orbit. The Doctor disbales the ship to prevent the aliens from piloting it away from Earth. While repairing the ship, he receives a broadcast from the Master explaining the return of Gallifrey. The Doctor reactivates the ship, evades a missile attack, and freefalls into the mansion which is acting as the Nexus between Earth and Gallifrey.
The President and his entourage appear on Earth, revealing the source of the Master's drums and revealing his desire to destroy the universe to assure the Time Lords' immortality. The Doctor, armed with Wilf's WWII firearm, is faced with the choice - kill the President or kill the Master, to break the link with Gallifrey and banish it back to the Time War. Choosing life, he destroys the machinery creating the link, banishing his people. The Master uses the last of his life force to prevent the President, revealed as Rassilon, from exacting vengeance on the The Doctor, and disappears with Gallifrey.
In the chaos, Wilf has got himself locked in a chamber. He knocks four times to ask the Doctor to release him, and the Doctor knows his time has come. He enters the chamber to release Wilf, and receives a fatal dose of radiation. He returns Wilf to his family, including Donna, who has survived the partial recovery of her memories. The Doctor then embarks on a farewell tour, seeing Martha, Mickey and Sarah-Jane one more time. He sets the exiled Captain Jack up with the stranded Midshipman Frame, and visits the granddaughter of Nurse Redfern at a book signing. Finally, he visist Rose on New Year's Eve 2005, before they meet.
Returning to his TARDIS, the Ood sing for him as he regenerates into his Eleventh incarnation. The regeneration destroys the TARDIS interior, and the new Doctor fights to prevent the TARDIS from crash landing into Earth.
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This super-sized finale was a bit of a mixed bag, to be honest. For the msot part it was a lot more focused than part one. There was an actual plot for the majority of the episode for a start. And yet it was ultimately unsatisfying. I have felt for a long time that Stolen Earth/Journey's End was the best finale that the RTD era could want, tying up multiple plot lines, featuring guest appearances from the entire modern-era Doctor Who family, and being a bloody good story to boot. And unfortunately, The End Of Time just isn;'t the same.
So what worked? Bernard Cribbins was absolutely fantastic in this episode. He was everything a companion should be - excited and awed by the events he witnesses, an innocent party to the Doctor's death, and the real heart of the episode. The quiet conversation between him and the Doctor, where WIlf talks about his military experiences and attempts to convince the Doctor to arm himself with a gun, was easily the dramatic highlight of the episode. The action sequences, with the scout vessel fending off missile attacks and the Doctor's final, triumphant 'Allons-y!' injected the episode with a real shot of energy, something which had been missing from Part One. And John Simm turned in his best performance ever as The Master, whose redemption was fitting and beautiful.
What didn't work? The Time Lords always worked better as a concept rather than a reality, and their much-heralded return amounting to standing around in some whiteness before being told to bugger off didn't live up to the years of expectation. After appearing to take the centre stage at the end of Part One, Donna's story was solved quickly and with one of RTD's deus ex machinas - a defence mechanism implanted by the Doctor that not only saved her life but also neutralised the Master clones chasing her.
And the Death of The Doctor. All half an hour of it. From his selfish, petulant anger at Wilf to his final line ('I don't want to go), this over-extended love-in pales in comparison to the wonder of the Ecclestone-Tennant transition. Tennant should have embraced his future at the end, setting off on the next stage in his journey, instead of moping in self-pity right until the end. Some fo the goodbyes worked - Martha and Mickey was a wonderful moment of humour, and the unspoken words between Sarah-Jane and the Doctor had me welling up with tears. But Midshipman Frame? Surely only there because RTD fancies the pants off Russell Tovey (see The Writers Tale for much more detail). And no last minute reprieve for Donna? A real shame.
Matt Smith impressed during his first minute or so of screen time, and with Steven Moffat taking over behind the scenes, I think we have had enough of Number Ten, and we are ready fro Number Eleven.
And then... Well, first - a warning. HERE BE SPOILERS. CAN OPEN, SPOILERS EVERYWHERE.
Is it any good? Hell YEAH, in certain parts, and others are so painfully badly written you can't help but groan. Niggets of awesomeness swimming in a river of shite. So, where to begin?
Well, first off, RTD manages not one shit Deus-Ex-Machina, but TWO. Bernard Cribbins is once again far and away the best thing in this show. David Tennant gives one of the best performances of his WHO career. And Matt Smith will be Gallifreyan Marmite (love him or hate him - there is no "meh").
So, Donna is frothing in the mind at seeing multiple Masters everywhere. The entire human race is now The Master. The Doctor can't stop him - yet. It's the rise of the "Master Race". And the Master has a plan. Does he? He does. The episode starts with the Doctor in captivity, strapped to a gurney, ready for a wonderful scene where he tries to convince the Master that it would be his honour to travel the universe at his side, as allies, not enemies. Isn't it enough to see the universe, to travel its breadth of space and time, rather than try to own it? The Master just wants the drumming in his head to stop. And eventually he figures out that if he uses all 6 billion sets of ears, he might be able to triangulate where the signal is coming from. And after last week's cliffhanger, guess where? Oh yes. GALLIFREY.
No explanation as to how any of this works, of course. Simm is less annoying in this, not so much flying and "I'm hungry" rubbish. The plot makes more sense - especially the clever idea that the Lord President of Gallifrey used the signal as a way of keeping a link to outside the Time War - almost as if he knew it would eventually be time-locked. And as the plan to escape the time-locked Time War's final day is directly linked to what is going on in the Master's head (though how this works is, predictably, nonsensical, and completely left unexplained by RTD), of course this all comes to a head, as the Time Lords finally escape their prison locked within the Time War, and manage to transport themselves - and Gallifrey itself! - out into our universe.
Oh, and we find out WHY the Doctor destroyed his own people by locking them eternally into the Time War...
I can't spoil all the revelations - the reason why the Time Lords had to be stopped is actually compelling stuff, very cleverly conceived and written, and deserved more of a five-parter than the half-an-episode RTD gives it here. The Time Lords are brought back and bainshed again in much the same way you'd buy a cheeseburger and then throw it away - WAAAY too easily. Gallifrey is literally a blink-and-it's-gone event. And there's more of those wonderful nuggets of mythos that could REALLY be something awesome in the hands of someone greater - the Hall of Travesties, the Nightmare Child, the fact that the Time War actually descended into Hell, as the combatants created monsters so blasphemous their existence was contrary to anything else in creation, that they actually became almost demonic in nature. And that as long as the Time War remains in time-lock, it will be fought ceaselessly, never to end - Hell, indeed.
So, is it any good? Performance-wise, Tennant is glorious in this episode - I heartily agreed with his last words, as did Mrs Spud-To-Be. Tears aplenty in our house. He really gives the essence of a man who is afraid to relinquish up his life, because he wants - NEEDS - to do more, yet has no choice. Never mind that his death scene is a direct rip-off of Spock's in WRATH OF KHAN, or that he can't die of what he dies of because he shook the same stuff out of his right foot in SMITH & JONES (yes, RTD pulls a Lucas and forgets his own mythology). Never mind that between getting his fatal dose and actually regenerating, Tennant gets more endings than three re-runs of RETURN OF THE KING. Never mind that the painfully obvious gay reference here (and I KNOW RTD is doing this for fun now) is rammed straight into a STAR WARS Cantina rip-off so obvious you're amazed it hasn't got Peter from FAMILY GUY fronting the Bith band (Firgin D'An and the Modal Nodes. Yes, I'm THAT anal. Fnar fnar). But despite RTD's best efforts to fuck all this up, Tennant is so riveting, so magnetic in his last adventure, that you are with him every step of the way. He's glorious in his last Doctor episode.
Bernard Cribbins steals the rest of the show. Proud, noble (pun intended), brave, and absolutely there with the Doctor all the way, his Wilf is the best Companion the Doctor never had. His shining moment in the STAR WARS Falcon-gunners-vs-TIE-fighters rip-off scene (the Hesperus ship vs Earth missiles) is so fantastic, I punched the air with joy. Oh yes. I AM Tom Cruise on Oprah. Fuck it, Cribbin's is THE MAN. He's the next greatest thing in this episode.
Everyone else is there for the ride. Dalton is ultimately rendered pointless - a shame, since a real return of the Time Lords with him at the helm would have been next-level awesome, but it's not to be. Catherine Tate is given virtually nothing to do, except for her what-the-fuck moment where she can suddenly shoot stunning psychic energy from her head (also not explained, probably because it's also nonsensical), as are any of the other cameos. There's some fun stuff - Mickey and Martha, the time when Tennant last visits Rose (yep, she's here, but it's very well done, poignant, and doesn't feel forced at all), and the STAR WARS cantina rip-off scene is kind of funny. But most of this episode is shite, and Tennant and Cribbins hold it together. Their performances cancel out the maelstrom of suck, and render this a very good episode indeed. It's good acting versus RTD's shitty scriptwriting, and Good Acting wins out.
Oh, and the Eleventh Doctor? His intro is very reminiscent of Tennant's, and lots and LOTS of fun. Looks like we're getting a TARDIS revamp next season (about time too!), and I like Matt Smith's Doctor very much - very energetic, fun, and enthusiastic. And love his new catchphrase, "Geronimo!!". Great stuff.
I'll leave you with the thought that RTD actually turned down the chance to write for the STAR WARS live TV series. I think we all had a lucky escape there, on the basis of THIS script - but the new season is run by a man who turned down writing for Spielberg again over the chance to showrun DOCTOR WHO. His priorities are above reproach - Moffat IS the man to take WHO to greater heights.
Happy New Year to you all. Spud McSpud out...
The fifty minute bit was a bit shit, frankly, or average at any rate. A typical over-blown earth in peril business. RTD has never been very good at plots.
But he is good at the little moments in an episode, and there were lots of nice ones in the last twenty-five minutes, as if you get to the bottom of a box of chocolates and find the best ones are still in it.
Things I particularly liked: an understated and appropriate fulfilment of the knocking four times prophecy, after lots of red herrings... a "happily ever after moment" for Donna which cunningly used time travel... and John Barrowman and Russell Tovey meeting in a bar for the gays. (Couldn't quite figure out why Tovey was there - didn't his character die? But still.)
On the other hand... A lot of it was RTD saying goodbye to himself - his crapper alien creations make a gratuitous appearance, presumably because he knows they'll never be seen again. Not sure why the Doctor said goodbye to a present-day descendant of someone he'd loved (duh, he's a time traveller...). And the understated way you thought he was going to die was ultimately upstaged by some overblown regeneration special effects. All in all though, the last twenty five minutes was the best bit of Doctor Who I've seen for a while.
And Matt Smith... Looks so young. He gives a very energetic, comic performance, but it felt kind of out of step with the pathos of the previous twenty minutes or so, so he didn't look too good compared to David Tennant. RTD favoured Russell Tovey for the part, which is presumably why he made a random appearance - and hell, today I'd agree.
I'm a long time fan of Doctor Who (Tom Baker was *my* Doctor) and figured I'd send in a review of Mr Tennant's finale as the 10th Doctor while I'm visiting my family in England. I'll try to keep it short, but not spoiler free, so beware! Allons-y!
To be honest with you, I wasn't overly impressed with Part 1, and Part 2 is only a slight improvement, if only for the way it all wraps up in the end. Russell T Davies puts a nice 'full stop' at the end of his tenure as Executive Producer and lets us see all of his significant characters one more time before leaving, but I'm jumping ahead of myself. What of the actual meat and bones of the show?
Well, as usual, Russell handles the smaller, character intensive scenes much better than he does the 'spaceships and explosions' scenes, and his final episode proves to be no different. The so-called 'action sequence' was rather laboured, whilst the interaction between The Doctor and Wilfred Mott towards the end was engaging and rather moving. I did manage one laugh at least, that being the Doctor's annoyance at being wheeled out of the Master's lair on a trolley and crying out "Worst rescue ever!"
I still find the Master's plot to turn everyone on Earth into himself to be bloody stupid, and the way it's reversed by the Time Lord President is typical Davies, it's a 'blink and you'll miss it' solution in the end. Timothy Dalton snarls his way through this second installment just as he did in the first, and the Time Lords disappear just as mysteriously as they appeared, although at least they explain why the Master hears the drumming in his head. There's also the Time Lady who seems to know The Doctor, and they give each other a meaningful look during a key scene towards the end. Could this be The Doctor's wife? Or possibly his mother? Will Steven Moffat address this in the new series? Did he ask for this to be shown due to his previous mentions of The Doctor's family? We'll find out soon enough...
The episode wraps things up rather nicely, leaving Mr Moffat with a clean slate to start all over again. We see Martha, Mickey, Donna, Wilf, Rose, Jack and a few others from previous episodes (my favourite being the amazing Jessica 'Spaced' Hynes nee Stevenson) after The Doctor knows his regeneration has already begun, and we even find out why the Tardis has a new look for the next series, which was a nice touch.
So my verdict? Not one of Russell's better episodes (his best being 'Turn Left'), but it could have been so much worse. I'd say 6 out of 10, pushing for a 7 mainly due to the last 15 minutes. Can't wait for Moffat's attempt to improve the show even further!
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First-Oh why do people do this again?-Tradition?
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So I can be disappointed like the rest of you across the pond.
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he episode essentially consists of two parts: a fifty minute resolution to the previous episode, and a twenty-five minute "David Tennant (and RTD) are off, best say goodbye" bit. The plots barely intermesh.
The fifty minute bit was a bit shit, frankly, or average at any rate. A typical over-blown earth in peril business. RTD has never been very good at plots.
But he is good at the little moments in an episode, and there were lots of nice ones in the last twenty-five minutes, as if you get to the bottom of a box of chocolates and find the best ones are still in it.
Things I particularly liked: an understated and appropriate fulfilment of the knocking four times prophecy, after lots of red herrings... a "happily ever after moment" for Donna which cunningly used time travel... and John Barrowman and Russell Tovey meeting in a bar for the gays. (Couldn't quite figure out why Tovey was there - didn't his character die? But still.)
On the other hand... A lot of it was RTD saying goodbye to himself - his crapper alien creations make a gratuitous appearance, presumably because he knows they'll never be seen again. Not sure why the Doctor said goodbye to a present-day descendant of someone he'd loved (duh, he's a time traveller...). And the understated way you thought he was going to die was ultimately upstaged by some overblown regeneration special effects. All in all though, the last twenty five minutes was the best bit of Doctor Who I've seen for a while.
And Matt Smith... Looks so young. He gives a very energetic, comic performance, but it felt kind of out of step with the pathos of the previous twenty minutes or so, so he didn't look too good compared to David Tennant. RTD favoured Russell Tovey for the part, which is presumably why he made a random appearance - and hell, today I'd agree. -
That was a bit stunner in the Confidential show after. Smith's first day on the set was the first time TRD had met him! Moffet really is running the show now ain't he. I got a very Patrick Troughton vibe to the 2 minutes promo reel for the new series. But I think we can all agree one one thing. His new assistant is a bit scummy.
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That last episode of Tennants wasn't quite as bad as I thought it would b,e given Russell T Davies's previous efforts..
Although almost every scene of course seemed to get dragged out twice as long as necessary, with everyone's stage directions being to 'Overact!' Also, so saw the Doctor being trapped behind the Star Trek II style radiation dooor the minute someone mentioned it last week. Still, the grabbing that last look around at his friends bit felt quite realistic. Or as realistic as anything can be in the Doctor's universe. Especially liked the breaking the rules of time travel bit so that Donna could win the lottery. Something I'm sure she would have appreciated if she'd been allowed to remember things..(Still a little bit miffed that they couldn't find a way round that!)But this episode wasn't as bad as I feared it could be, if not quite as good as I hoped it would be. (Looks like Peter Davison's sacrifice to save Peri is still going to be the number 1 regeneration scene..) -
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Oh holy shit look it's the Time lords and motherfucking Gallifrey, oh no wait... They're gone again... Seriously wtf?
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Herc's got his shit together tonight!! Fast as fuck, Herc!
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they dragged the last few scenes out way too long just before he regenerates. Aside from that, this was one of the best Who stories ever. I really didn't enjoy the other two previous specials, Planet of the Dead and Waters of Mars were both pretty crap. Dead was a rip-off of Pitch Black and Mars was a rip-off opf Ghosts of Mars. Anyway, David Tennant and John Sim were on fire in this finale. Plus, there's a nice Star Wars nod in it too and I'm sure that they ripped off Starbug from Red Dwarf for the design of the cactus people's space ship. Naughty, naughty. Can't wait until the new series begins in March.
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For a red head, this new gal is indeed quite nice looking. And I like the fact that she's Scottish.(So am I.)Hopefully since Moffet is also from Scotland she'll be allowed to keep her accent. Always kind of felt, Tennants performances might have been even better if he had kept his own accent. (Sometimes his English accent sounded dangerously close to coming off a bit like Rimmer from Red Dwarf..But no biggy..)
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I enjoyed his few moments as the Doctor and I really think he will be good. Kinda like a mixture of Tom Baker and Patrick Troughton. I didnt much like the rest of the episode as it took far too long to get rid of Tennants Doctor. Especially after the great scene with him in the booth it then fell into some sort of self indulgant crap. Sad way for a good Doctor to leave as he deserved better but as far as i'm concerned a Doctor has a half life of 3 to 4 years maximum after that they get a bit stale and its time for a new one. Thats why Tom Baker departure wasn't as great as it could have been. They should have killed the 10th Doctor off in the last part of series 4. These specials were pretty average to bad. Roll on Spring for the next series :) don't let the haters get you Matt you look like my sort of freak :)
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Bow your head, you lowly dog! And kneel, in worship, at the feet of KAREN GILLAN!
Not only is she as hot as fuck, she's a fantastic actress. And still only 22 years old. Oh yes, I would, and so would you, you filthy dog, you! -
Disappointing finale for Tennant, which is a real shame. I agree with previous posters about Matt Smith's trailer. I think he'll make people forget about Tennant with Karen Gillan and Steven Moffat's help!
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Three weeks into the next series, I guarantee you'll all be saying, "David WHO?". I think he looks great for the part, and Karen Gillan is teh hotness.
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Sure it was too long and the end was protracted but on the whole it was very good, great CGI and a stunning performance from DT. Looking forward to the spring
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I'll agree mostly with the last two reviews. I think all this hate for RTD is way over blown. No I haven't liked everything he's done but folks without him we wouldn't even be talking about it! I'm sorry to see him and Tennant go. Their version brought some great insite into the Doctor's character and fleshed it out a bit. I like the fact that he didn't want to regenerate. Even if you do get to live being resurected with someone elses face and personality has to be unnerving. I haven't seen this yet but I'm thinking I'll mostly side with the last 2 reviewers. I look forward to Moffet as from his writing he seems to have a good feel for what Doctor Who should be.
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I get three YES's, I post the whole damn thing here in the Talkback. If not, whatever. Any takers??
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You meant 'scrummy' though, right? She's nowhere near 'scummy' mate. Not even close!
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I sent this to Herc, but was too late. Spoilers ahead...
by lordporkington
I'm a long time fan of Doctor Who (Tom Baker was *my* Doctor) and figured I'd send in a review of Mr Tennant's finale as the 10th Doctor while I'm visiting my family in England. I'll try to keep it short, but not spoiler free, so beware! Allons-y!
To be honest with you, I wasn't overly impressed with Part 1, and Part 2 is only a slight improvement, if only for the way it all wraps up in the end. Russell T Davies puts a nice 'full stop' at the end of his tenure as Executive Producer and lets us see all of his significant characters one more time before leaving, but I'm jumping ahead of myself. What of the actual meat and bones of the show?
Well, as usual, Russell handles the smaller, character intensive scenes much better than he does the 'spaceships and explosions' scenes, and his final episode proves to be no different. The so-called 'action sequence' was rather laboured, whilst the interaction between The Doctor and Wilfred Mott towards the end was engaging and rather moving. I did manage one laugh at least, that being the Doctor's annoyance at being wheeled out of the Master's lair on a trolley and crying out "Worst rescue ever!"
I still find the Master's plot to turn everyone on Earth into himself to be bloody stupid, and the way it's reversed by the Time Lord President is typical Davies, it's a 'blink and you'll miss it' solution in the end. Timothy Dalton snarls his way through this second installment just as he did in the first, and the Time Lords disappear just as mysteriously as they appeared, although at least they explain why the Master hears the drumming in his head. There's also the Time Lady who seems to know The Doctor, and they give each other a meaningful look during a key scene towards the end. Could this be The Doctor's wife? Or possibly his mother? Will Steven Moffat address this in the new series? Did he ask for this to be shown due to his previous mentions of The Doctor's family? We'll find out soon enough...
The episode wraps things up rather nicely, leaving Mr Moffat with a clean slate to start all over again. We see Martha, Mickey, Donna, Wilf, Rose, Jack and a few others from previous episodes (my favourite being the amazing Jessica 'Spaced' Hynes nee Stevenson) after The Doctor knows his regeneration has already begun, and we even find out why the Tardis has a new look for the next series, which was a nice touch.
So my verdict? Not one of Russell's better episodes (his best being 'Turn Left'), but it could have been so much worse. I'd say 6 out of 10, pushing for a 7 mainly due to the last 15 minutes. Can't wait for Moffat's attempt to improve the show even further! -
Mate I wanna read your review. I agree about Matt Smith hes going to be nice and odd which im looking forward to :)
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That's one.
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From a Geordie to a Scotsman (?), I'd like to hear your thoughts on it too.
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Some very nice character moments and some clever ideas which unfortunately weren't expanded on, but as with most of RTD's episodes there are too many unexplained things like the way the population is so easily reversed back to themselves. He's a very inconsistent writer, and although i'm glad he brought i back, it's definitely time to move on. I really hope the guy who does the music moves on too because he is fucking terrible.
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I was thinking that the lady time lord might be Susan, his grandaughter from his first incarnation..She did say something about having been lost for a long time..Speaking of the old series, did I hear correctly that Timothy Dalton's character was Rassilon? Was he not the entombed dead time lord President in the Five Doctors?(Not 100% sure, as it's beeen many years since I watched the old series..)Although I suppose if they could resurrect the Master, then they could have brought Rassilon back to help them in the time war..Maybe..
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The bits with Wilf were good but the whole but with the Time Lords was such crap. The whole thing was pointless. It was all pointless. The Time Lords return is stopped that easy? The Master's plot is stopped that easy? The Master's plot was that? Terrible. Terrible. Terrible. Then the part after that came and it was tear jerking. It was a dumb death though.
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You're right. Rassilon is the one from the 5 Doctors. I wonder about this myself but since I haven't seen it yet I'll have to wait and see if I catch anything more about this.
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Here's a review of DR WHO - THE END OF TIME (PART 2). Prepare for spoilage. If you use this, call me SPUD McSPUD...
So - Part 2! GALLIFREY RISES!!!
And then... Well, first - a warning. HERE BE SPOILERS. CAN OPEN, SPOILERS EVERYWHERE.
Is it any good? Hell YEAH, in certain parts, and others are so painfully badly written you can't help but groan. Niggets of awesomeness swimming in a river of shite. So, where to begin?
Well, first off, RTD manages not one shit Deus-Ex-Machina, but TWO. Bernard Cribbins is once again far and away the best thing in this show. David Tennant gives one of the best performances of his WHO career. And Matt Smith will be Gallifreyan Marmite (love him or hate him - there is no "meh").
So, Donna is frothing in the mind at seeing multiple Masters everywhere. The entire human race is now The Master. The Doctor can't stop him - yet. It's the rise of the "Master Race". And the Master has a plan. Does he? He does. The episode starts with the Doctor in captivity, strapped to a gurney, ready for a wonderful scene where he tries to convince the Master that it would be his honour to travel the universe at his side, as allies, not enemies. Isn't it enough to see the universe, to travel its breadth of space and time, rather than try to own it? The Master just wants the drumming in his head to stop. And eventually he figures out that if he uses all 6 billion sets of ears, he might be able to triangulate where the signal is coming from. And after last week's cliffhanger, guess where? Oh yes. GALLIFREY.
No explanation as to how any of this works, of course. Simm is less annoying in this, not so much flying and "I'm hungry" rubbish. The plot makes more sense - especially the clever idea that the Lord President of Gallifrey used the signal as a way of keeping a link to outside the Time War - almost as if he knew it would eventually be time-locked. And as the plan to escape the time-locked Time War's final day is directly linked to what is going on in the Master's head (though how this works is, predictably, nonsensical, and completely left unexplained by RTD), of course this all comes to a head, as the Time Lords finally escape their prison locked within the Time War, and manage to transport themselves - and Gallifrey itself! - out into our universe.
Oh, and we find out WHY the Doctor destroyed his own people by locking them eternally into the Time War...
I can't spoil all the revelations - the reason why the Time Lords had to be stopped is actually compelling stuff, very cleverly conceived and written, and deserved more of a five-parter than the half-an-episode RTD gives it here. The Time Lords are brought back and bainshed again in much the same way you'd buy a cheeseburger and then throw it away - WAAAY too easily. Gallifrey is literally a blink-and-it's-gone event. And there's more of those wonderful nuggets of mythos that could REALLY be something awesome in the hands of someone greater - the Hall of Travesties, the Nightmare Child, the fact that the Time War actually descended into Hell, as the combatants created monsters so blasphemous their existence was contrary to anything else in creation, that they actually became almost demonic in nature. And that as long as the Time War remains in time-lock, it will be fought ceaselessly, never to end - Hell, indeed.
So, is it any good? Performance-wise, Tennant is glorious in this episode - I heartily agreed with his last words, as did Mrs Spud-To-Be. Tears aplenty in our house. He really gives the essence of a man who is afraid to relinquish up his life, because he wants - NEEDS - to do more, yet has no choice. Never mind that his death scene is a direct rip-off of Spock's in WRATH OF KHAN, or that he can't die of what he dies of because he shook the same stuff out of his right foot in SMITH & JONES (yes, RTD pulls a Lucas and forgets his own mythology). Never mind that between getting his fatal dose and actually regenerating, Tennant gets more endings than three re-runs of RETURN OF THE KING. Never mind that the painfully obvious gay reference here (and I KNOW RTD is doing this for fun now) is rammed straight into a STAR WARS Cantina rip-off so obvious you're amazed it hasn't got Peter from FAMILY GUY fronting the Bith band (Firgin D'An and the Modal Nodes. Yes, I'm THAT anal. Fnar fnar). But despite RTD's best efforts to fuck all this up, Tennant is so riveting, so magnetic in his last adventure, that you are with him every step of the way. He's glorious in his last Doctor episode.
Bernard Cribbins steals the rest of the show. Proud, noble (pun intended), brave, and absolutely there with the Doctor all the way, his Wilf is the best Companion the Doctor never had. His shining moment in the STAR WARS Falcon-gunners-vs-TIE-fighters rip-off scene (the Hesperus ship vs Earth missiles) is so fantastic, I punched the air with joy. Oh yes. I AM Tom Cruise on Oprah. Fuck it, Cribbin's is THE MAN. He's the next greatest thing in this episode.
Everyone else is there for the ride. Dalton is ultimately rendered pointless - a shame, since a real return of the Time Lords with him at the helm would have been next-level awesome, but it's not to be. Catherine Tate is given virtually nothing to do, except for her what-the-fuck moment where she can suddenly shoot stunning psychic energy from her head (also not explained, probably because it's also nonsensical), as are any of the other cameos. There's some fun stuff - Mickey and Martha, the time when Tennant last visits Rose (yep, she's here, but it's very well done, poignant, and doesn't feel forced at all), and the STAR WARS cantina rip-off scene is kind of funny. But most of this episode is shite, and Tennant and Cribbins hold it together. Their performances cancel out the maelstrom of suck, and render this a very good episode indeed. It's good acting versus RTD's shitty scriptwriting, and Good Acting wins out.
Oh, and the Eleventh Doctor? His intro is very reminiscent of Tennant's, and lots and LOTS of fun. Looks like we're getting a TARDIS revamp next season (about time too!), and I like Matt Smith's Doctor very much - very energetic, fun, and enthusiastic. And love his new catchphrase, "Geronimo!!". Great stuff.
I'll leave you with the thought that RTD actually turned down the chance to write for the STAR WARS live TV series. I think we all had a lucky escape there, on the basis of THIS script - but the new season is run by a man who turned down writing for Spielberg again over the chance to showrun DOCTOR WHO. His priorities are above reproach - Moffat IS the man to take WHO to greater heights.
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I haven't seen EoT part 2 but I did seen the trailer for the next series and the sooner they regenerate that ugly motherfucker the better!!! Is this Moffat's idea of bringing the show back to classic Who, you know, the show that ad that old letch Baker or that Innsmouth escapee Pertwee? Hire some gimpy looking fuckstick to play the Doctor? Unless the reviews are stunning I'll pass.
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Sorry, I'm actually an East Midlander - though I see where you're going with this! I think the Spud thing came about from my fiancee keep calling me a Couch Potato, and I may or may not have seen TRAINSPOTTING at some point near when I chose this name. It has no special meanings or resonance within my life whatsoever. Ah well. Hope that sheds some light on the subject... ;D
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Yeah, I'm sure The Master towards the end of the climax name checeks The President as being Rassilon, Or maybe it was the Doctor..Not 100% sure..But I know someone definitely called him that, as the music/direction seem to want to make a big deal out of it..for a second or two anyway..(The climax somehow weirdly manages to feel both drawn out and rushed..As bizarre as that might sound if you've not seen it. But I don't want to go into anymore specifics if you've yet to watch it.
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Have a little faith in The Moff.
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SCRUMMY!!!! Not scummy! I'm a dufus! And whats worse, I'm a dufus that can't fucking spell!! Karen Gillan is the hotness. Have you seen how long her legs are? I'm looking at them all I can think off is Goat-boy... "Tie me to your headboard. Put legs over my shoulders and let me wear you like a feedbag!!"
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RTD turned down the chance to write on the new Star Wars show and Moffet turned down Speilberg AND Peter Jackson to be the show runner for Doctor Who................ I am no longer an Atheist because that is proof that there is a fucking God!!!! Not really, still an Atheist. But I came very close to converting there for a minute.
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..than last weeks episode. Although the end was dragged out to the extreme, I still thought it did Tennant proud.
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I gots to apologise for giving you both barrels there, friend... But Karen Gillan is definitely the most gorgeous Companion yet! Even more so than Billie, who I just KNOW most TBers have the horn for, but will deny this to their dying day...
If there's any of it on YouTube or Bit Torrent, Karen Gillan was on THE KEVIN BISHOP SHOW, a comedy sketch show on Channel 4 (I think) over here in the summer. It's really funny, and Karen Gillan is sexy AND talented. GILLAN FOR THE WIN!!! -
Well. Here we go again.
•Okay. So. I’m suddenly watching Babylon 5. No. Wait. Sorry. Its just everyday run of the mill shit CGI, besides, Babylon 5 was pretty good sometimes considering that they were using a Sinclair Spectrum and a wad of used toilet roll.
•The super-advanced-god-like-scientists run their most important decisions by a mad old witch. Who’s just babbling away, spouting nonsense as prophesy. Actually wasn’t there a sisterhood of Gallifreyan witches that were cast out countless centuries ago for being retarded? I thought that was a bit mean but then they did know that there was a hated Timelord brain just over the road who was super-duper, mega evil and being cared for by that fucking cock Solon who was trying to create a new body for him. And did NOTHING about it. For centuries. Yeah. Good choice of sounding board.
•You can tell that the witch is really deep and spiritual despite her babbling illness because of all the Henna that she’s covered in. I didn’t see it but I’m sure she has one of those red thread bracelets things as well. It all adds deeper layers to her character.
•Well he wasn’t going to kill one of the men was he? Fucking bitch should just keep her damned mouth shut.
•Re-telling the schism story. The audience has now guessed what is going on but will inevitably have to wait half an hour for the characters to catch up.
•The Master is everyone and everyone is the Master. Why are they taking his orders and not trying to kill him and take over?
•Shoot the Master and you’ve won. Go on Wilf shoot him while he’s down. You have a gun and he’s unconscious. Shoot him. That’s what you were told you would have to do. You were all prepared to do it. At least make the fucking effort. Shoot him damn it. . . or just run away . . . *sigh*
•Who needs a cloaking device when all you need to do is turn the fucking lights off. Can UNIT not afford a telescope?
•Why are they flying over the sea instead of just going straight down? They’re in orbit after all. Is it a way of drawing the missiles away from populated areas or an excuse for some crap CG action?
•War changes a person. It scars you. Takes away your humanity. You do things you’re not proud of because you have no choice and then have to live with the consequences of those very actions for the rest of your life. You never forget the horror that you’ve endured but more importantly, the horror that YOU inflicted on others. That’s why you always end up becoming a cunt.
•Rassilon. The president of the Timelords is Rassilon. I can see the moment now. It’s as clear as day. The main man is sitting there at his computer writing the final episode and he suddenly realises: “Shit. I forgot to give the villain a personality, a motivation, a reason for being beyond simply not wanting to die. Wait. I know. I’ll make him Rassilon. NOW he has a personality and I didn’t even have to try. I’m brilliant I am. The fucking retards British public will love this”
•Hera is someone really important to the Doctor. You can tell. It’s going to be a HUGE shock to us when he tells us who she was.
•There wasn’t actually any real conflict. No hard choice that had to be made. All he had to do was turn the machine off. He probably didn’t even need to waste a bullet shooting the bloody thing.
•Oh. It was Wilf knocking all the time. Oh god. Wilf’s in danger! This is absolutely gripping stuff right here. I’m on the edge of my seat. Hurry Doctor, hurry before it’s too late. Save poor, dear Wilf’s life. Hurry. There’s not much time left he’ll die very soon. Very soon Doctor. He will die very, very soon and only you can . . . ah fuck it. Just waffle on.
•Hang on. Hang on. I’m sorry. Let me get all of this clear. He’s got enough time to wander back and forth through time doing all manner of nonsense before he regenerates but not enough time to find a receptacle to contain his regenerative juices thereby negating the need to regenerate? Are we absolutely sure that this wasn’t written by a spastic in a nuthouse sitting in it’s own faeces?
•Peter Jackson has a lot to answer for here JUST FUCKING END PLEASE DEAR GOD JUST FUCKING DIE YOU WHINGING COCK.
•I know I’ve said this before but this is the thing that is bugging me the most. He’s being all weepy, weepy about having to die but Rusty made sure that he doesn’t need to die. It’s established now and is canon. He doesn’t have to regenerate if he doesn’t want to. All he needs is something to channel the energy into. This is fucking retarded. It’s dumb. It’s really, really fucking dumb.
•That’s genius that is. You create a mysterious character with mysterious motivations doing mysterious things who is clearly important to the Doctor and then you don’t tell the audience who. The fuck. She was. Even after the character the audience is supposed to be identifying with ASKS that very fucking question. Or maybe, just maybe she’s going to re-cur and we’ll slowly and surely learn whom this woman really is. I mean why else would you leave an important plot thread like that dangling? Unless you were a completely stupid cunt.
•Rose fucking Tyler is back again. I bet Rusty typed this rubbish one handed.
•Fucking Ood.
•They are really, really struggling to fill the allocated time here.
•“I don’t want to die”. This is really just the worst kind of cheap melodrama. They’re trying desperately for pathos and all we’re getting is pathetic. Please just die already.
•“Change my dear. And not a moment too soon. That last life was a whinging twat”. And he started off with such promise despite the script quality.
•Matt Smith. Kept hoping it was all just some elaborate subterfuge and that the Doctor was going to regenerate into an actor. Oh well. There’s not much there to really judge him on so I guess I’ll have to wait and see. Ah who am I kidding? I’m done with this panto.
•No trailer just an Eight year olds Doctor Who graphic design for the new series. I honestly didn’t think they still made Blue Peter. Oh well. Good for him/her.
•Is that your legacy Rusty? Is that it? Christ. Some would say that we should be thankful for you bringing Doctor Who back from oblivion. For giving SF a new lease of life on British TV but no. I’m sorry no. British SF used to be quite daring but now it’s just . . . this . . .
•Went to the BBC website to check the above was roughly in the right order and there was a teaser for Smitty. He’s a bit of a battler this one punching, shooting and shouting oh my. -
Goodbye Mr. Tennant, you will be missed. Hello Mr. Smith, looking forward to getting to know you better. A ton of fun, a few tears jerked at the end, and fantastic performances from David Tennant and Bernard Cribbins. A few things bugged me, but it was still a fitting goodbye to the Tenth Doctor. Very, very sad to see him go. But, am very, very excited to see what Matt Smith and Steven Moffat have up their sleeves.
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..that The Master turned into Darth Vader in his salvation/sacrifice moment and The Doctor became Spock at the end of Wraith of Kahn???
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Bring over the Derek Jacobi master from the alternate universe where Rose went.
The older master vs the younger doctor.
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This was a great farewell to DT and RTD but the story was utter gash, I could have written a better plotline.Bernard Cribbins was outstanding, and all the performances were generally top notch, and there were some wonderful moments but the plot generally was direI get that the Time Lords coming back and the impending collision with Gallifrey is a good scenario, but the way they got there and then resolved it was nonsensical.
So lets get this straight. The TIme Lords were time locked, so sent a signal back in time to the 8 year old Master, which would allow a pathway out of the timelock because he received the signal before the timelock... (It's going pear shaped already story wise). Then they need to guide the master once on Earth and so they throw a white pointed star into a hologram via this pathway that then turns up in space and lands somewhere nearby, just as everyone in the world is amplifying the path by listening to the soudn of the drums... how is this story anything but shit?!So then the timelords suddenly appear via the doorway that was used to change all the human templates (sigh) and the planet appears just nearby. Ummm, what?Then James Bond uses his glove to revert the DNA changes to EVERYONE IN THE WORLD because The Master is the template and if you break the link the template cracks and OMG how much GIBBERISH is this?!!Then The Master uses his force lightning on James Bond just as the machine is blown up and then everything resets! YAY another reset button, lets all reverse the polarity and wait for it all to blow over.So the story was shit. The safety mechanism on the machine was also pretty shit. There is some nuclear thingy going on that needs to be manned at all times. OK, fair enough, the locking mechanism ensures that. However when it overheats it vents into whichever room is occupied at the time? HUH?Still, picking major nits aside, Bernard Cribbins was ace, as was the realisation of the 4 knocks prophecy. I liked the end too, although if anyone cried at that then they shouldn't be allowed out of the house. -
The RTD thing I read on the website for SFX magazine (I think - might be wrong), the fact that he turned down the chance to write for Lucas on the live action STAR WARS TV series. He's now the Americans' problem, as RTD now works for BBC America and recently moved to LA, as did Julie T Gardner. Apparently there aren't enough gays in American SF, so here come the Brits (fnar fnar)...
As for the Moff - he wrote the script for the Spielberg and Jackson produced first TINTIN movie - the mo-cap one produced with Jamie Bell as Tintin and our own beloved Pegg and Frost as two twins in the story (sorry, not a Tintin fan, I don't know who's who). This TINTIN movie is in fact the first of a trilogy, which I believe are all being made back-to-back, but when Moffat checked his diary, he could either write the next two TINTINs or showrun the next DOCTOR WHO series - not both. I think he made the right decision, and cannot WAIT to see what's in store for next year!
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I think I'll agree for the most part with Eldron and Gabba ( and now Mcspud as well ) about this 2nd part. Just a feeling but can't wait until I see it!
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Jan 01, 2010 5:27:38 PM CST
SHOULD HAVE CAST KATHLEEN MCDERMOTT AS THE COMPANION!!!FACT!!!
by tehcreepythinman
She played Pippa, the redheaded Scottish chick, in the British zombie TV series Dead Set.
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Oh, and the episode was CRAP
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the awful rose was in it. the cantina scene at the end was nice, with almost every alien that's appeared since 05 in it.
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For the confirmation. This is Science Fiction after all and anyone can be brought back with a stroke of a pen ( LOL ). Really looking forward to this!
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-Davies trapped'em on the landing and removed their plunger guns in the finale--
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that Claire Bloom was in it, playing the Doctor's mother (the crying Timelord)
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Caught the trailer for the new series as well. Matt Smith does look awfully young, but hopefully the Moff's writing with give his youth some authority and wisdom. If you remember, speculation as to whether Tennant would be shite was rife when Eccleston passed the role over, and Tennant didn't disappoint. I say, give Smith a chance to prove himself before you write him off. A one minute trailer isn't a fair opportunity.
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how many times next season will matt smith yell 'geronimo'? just for fun, the one at the end of the 'end of time' counts as number one.
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Jan 01, 2010 5:36:26 PM CST
Ohh I've no problem admitting the horn for Billie Piper Spud my
by gabba-uk
And have done so since she a 16 year old pop moppet. And the beauty of being in the UK (amongst many, many, many other things) is that 16 year old pop moppets are legal so I never had to feel bad about it either.
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As in racist denigration of the Native American? Can't see that going down well on BBC America
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New Season looks pretty good. I must say this episode was pretty average and a bit disappointing. Impressions of the new Dr Who are good, and looks like he will be a worthy successor.
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Hopefully that's Moffat showing a healthy disdain for PC conventions in his WHO... but I doubt it.
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Hope you enjoy the episode, when you get to see it!
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"And the beauty of being in the UK (amongst many, many, many other things) is that 16 year old pop moppets are legal so I never had to feel bad about it either."
Haha! Ain't it just! ;)
America should send all their sexy teen pop moppets on a holiday over here, so they can pop that cherry without someone being arrested for it! ;)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTikSllxnYE
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Please dont Mr Smith and Mr Moffet something to apologise for before the new series even starts.
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Jan 01, 2010 5:49:04 PM CST
Oh My God, Spud McSpud..........................................
by axcel1
If you loved Part 2, I am going to have Whogasam When i watch it 27 minutes!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Just don't exp[ect plot coherence, this makes absolutely fuck-all sense whatsoever - but David Tennant and Bernard Cribbins have never been better. I even liked the cameo with Billie piper in it - for once, it doesn't feel forced. Hell, even the gay reference (in a STAR WARS cantina scene rip-off, no less!!) is funny this time! But I'm letting a lot slide because it is genuinely heartbreaking to see Tennant go. But Matt Smith is magnificent for the two minutes we get of him - I think the role is more than safe in his hands!
But how they use a reset button of Gallifrey - fucking unforgiveable... -
...Don't listen to we bitter old fucks, Acxel1 - you go and enjoy it. I know you will!!!!!!!!
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Don't you just know it to be the truth, send over here guys!! Come to think of it, Milly Cyrus was very giggily and what not when she was over here in the summer on the Jonathon Ross show. Was Russell Brand in the green room with her prior to her coming out? If he was, she definitely got fucked that night!
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This final episode was far better than the first (although it would be bloody difficult for it to be worse...).
Not a fan of the Doctor not wanting to die...fear of 'really' dying would be okay but he has done this 10 times already and is (as the history of the show confirms) always the same man after a generation - just with a different body and personality ticks.
Anyway, all I wanted to say here was that Matt Smith's new series looks FANTASTIC. At last we have a proper film stock used and great colourisation (I have hated the Eastenders, red hued awfulness of RTD's Who for 5 years, now we have depth and contrast - wonderful!) - Matt looks brilliant - he battles a REAL Dalek (from the 70s) and, if my prayers are answered, git features (aka Murray Gold) that does the awful music will be gone.
I'm really excited about Moffat's Who - it's going to be a treat.
(Oh, and US talkbackers...seriously...'Geronimo'...Native Americans...please tell me you are joking?) -
Look for the scenes that have most obviously ripped off the following:
The Falcon-firing-on-4-pursuing-TIE-fighters from STAR WARS scene
The Spock's death from WRATH OF KHAN scene
The ship ripped off from RED DWARF (the STARBUG)
The projection-above-a-table-like-the-briefing-for-the-battle-on-Endor in RETURN OF THE JEDI scene
The ending-upon-ending-upon-ending-upon-ending-upon-ending-upon-ending from RETURN OF THE KING scene.
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Miley Cyrus??? I'd plow that like a ripe field in early September. That girl is teh hotness for all teen chicks everywhere. And that sexy husky voice...
Yep, two thumbs up for Miley Cyrus! And that sexy lil Vanessa Hudgens, especially after those magnificent mobile phone private pics... ;D -
In 13 minutes from now. Also, I guessing "Geronimo" is the NuWho catchphrase? Or, will it be "Trust me, I'm a Doctor"? Oh, make that 10 minutes from now.
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if only to get revenge on her old man for Achey Breaky FUCKING Heart!!!! Seriously, there a should be a special level of hell for retards who brought that record!!
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Go back to the first episode then flash forward to Journey's End and it seems like she has trouble speaking over her teeth, you know, that duck mouth that some women get when they start hitting the collagen. Have there not been enough Horror stories about that shit to keep these dumb bitches the Hell away from it?
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but as good as we could have wished for.
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a good place to download this for those of us in the States whose cable providers don't carry BBC America? I used to use Mininova, but they're gone now.
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Jan 01, 2010 6:23:50 PM CST
“hamfisted psychotwattery masquerading as twisty storytelling”
by gotilk
Bit cunty, innit? But a fair cop. Cheers.
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Oh yes...You know she would..LOL!
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Try TPB, it's still there.. works. If not, try a private site. I already have it. Try a search engine called "scrapetorrent".
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Jan 01, 2010 6:29:41 PM CST
paineywoo, UH, THEY'RE STILL SHOOTING ON VIDEO, NOT FILMSTOCK...
by tehcreepythinman
It’s probably due to Moffat’s influence that they’re going for a darker palette and more contrast. He seems to have a thing for Horror and that is something that I am grateful for. I want to see Doctor Who played as a Horror show for at least one season. Making DW a cross between Phillip K. Dick and H.P. Lovecraft would be nice.
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Fuck DOCTOR WHO - that concept deserves its own new show! Nice one, ThinMan!!
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http://eztv.it/
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after this finale he knows the upsides of having a gun. That's why Matt Smith fires one in the new trailer.
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That script was a fucking abortion. One of the worst pieces of TV writing I've ever seen.
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hilarious!
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Tenth is the first Doctor I've followed from birth to death. It was tough to watch enough without that heart breaking final line.
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In the trailer for the new series someone mentioned the new Doctor says Geronimo and he says it at the end of The End of Time so that means it is probably his phrase that he will say all the time. I'm already sick of it. Someone fanatic already included it in wikipedia's Geronimo entry. http://is.gd/5JaNp
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As I give Miley Cyrus a ride on the old bone rollercoaster!!
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I'm gonna miss Tennant. Cribbins was great as always. The new Doc looks promising.
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I didn't mind the 20 minute sendoff, but RTD failed to make me feel sad for Tennant's Dr. Which is pretty messed up as I will miss Tennant's Dr very much. Based on the Dr. Who Confidential they tried not to be too melodramatic, a la when Rose was first separated from the Doctor when Billie left.
I'm definitely going to give Smith a chance, but I think people have unrealistic expectations of Moffett as a show runner. He still has to make it a family friendly show. I expect Smith's Doctor to be the weakest of the nu who's. The good news is that if he sucks they can kill him off and replace him with someone better. -
I liked it, but there were things I wasn't all that happy with. I'm going to miss David. And I don't think Matt can really give the role that depth. He's too young. The new trailer looks great, but I still feel Matt is all wrong for this role. I'll give the new eps a try, though.
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everything else - shit
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I did have a Whogasam watching it............ As for the Doctor saying goodbye, in his own way, to all his friends, who's to say we won't be seeing any of them again?
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TORCHWOOD In Space!!!!!!!!!!!! Mickey and Martha hook up somehow with Jack, the TARDIS he was growing(Remember that from season(series)1?) finishes growing and the rest, as they say, is history!!!!!!!!!
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I would love to hear the backstory on them. Oh, and, gon't forget, Captain Jack Harkness was created by own new showrunner, so, if we all pray hard enough to own new God of Who, who knows what could happen?
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OUR!!!!!!
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Twenty minutes of saying goodbye to the characters you've been watching for the past four to five years and nothing really to do with advancing the plot.
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...I was thinking, is the next one going to say "Giddyup!"? Got my answer not long after. Seriously, does he really need a catchphrase in the first ten minutes of his tv life?
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i believe that's what she was supposed to be. if so, the reason why he didn't go back to way back then is A. he'd have to go back to a time when she was alive and that would be way too confusing, because he was active in her timeline till her death. that would be tons of explaining to her. and since he knew her as a child on, he be creepy stalking her at 5, or showing up just before she died. and B. he actually dated her in real life, that would be rather emotional. C. the actress has moved on to bigger things like failed TV shows over here in the U.S. and D. it would be difficult to fly somebody back for a 15 second spot. if it's not her great great granddaughter, then disregard. hehe
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...although I can't really say I'm disappointed, because that would imply that I expected a good story. At least the Master was written relatively well. And what's with the Dr. getting all petulant at the end?
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the doctor had a wildstar feel to him. seems the master flipped a bitch into nova, and rassilon felt like leader desslok. even galifrey looked rather planet bombed.
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.... I had all sorts of issues with the Time Lords as being evil now..... But one of the main points is that RTD does not know what to do with a villain. I mean the Daleks came back.... for 15 minutes.... Now the Time Lords are back for 5 minutes.... Sad...
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That would be rather sad if he were....
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could it have been the doctor's mom? or his would-be wife? it would have been cooler for stunt casting either romana or the rani. still his mom would be kick ass.
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To bring the Time Lords back and them not do anything spectacular? Reducing Rassilon to Satan's father in *The Prince of Darkness*? WTF? That was dumb. Plus, why is the Lord President of the Time Lords Rassilon? He founded their civilization, so is he now a billion years old? He should still be stuck in his tomb with the forever sleep. Now RTD made him their bloodthirsty King Arthur without the heroism. Fucking stupid. Plus the retcon paradox with The Master and the drums in his head. Well, that didn't make him evil - it just added another layer - since he became a villain before without the drums. I swear. If it wasn't for Tennant's performance and Cribbin's, this would be total shite. And why the hell did David Tennant leave? He had the chance to stay on with the best writer of the show since the Classic Series now in charge, and he decides to leave with RTD who is nothing but a Johnny Come Lately John Nathan-Turner riding on the coattails of everything about 20 other writers - and producers like Phillip Segal - came up with during the long hiatus between 1989 and 2005. I'm really afraid of what's going to happen next. We've got the one of the best Who writers ever now heading the production but instead of coupling that with one of the best actors to play the lead role ever, we have Matt Smith. Fuck, they should've just brought Paul McGann back. That guy has more gravitas than Eccleston and Tennant combined.
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They didn't rip off Star Blazers. Gallifrey has always looked burnt-orange going back to the Classic Series.
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The Doctor dying a stupid way, from radiation. Where's the friggin' giant spiders like how the 3rd Doctor was killed? The TARDIS fucked up not because of The Doctor doing something heroic but because he apparently thought he was Adrian Paul. Wilf not a fob watched Time Lord and the father of The Doctor? Lame. The mysterious Time Lady... Is that The Doctor's mom? RTD just had to monkey with that and cast doubt on the reveal from the TVM. Is she his wife? His daughter? His grand daughter Susan? Sister? The Master's mom? What gives? Lame. Ugh.
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Jan 01, 2010 10:35:56 PM CST
Neo-Dominar: No, it wasn't her grand-daughter.
by isleptwithkathybatesandallthatigotwasthi
It was the grand-daughter of the woman he fell in love with in "Human Nature/Family Of Blood". Not only was it the same actress but the name of her book was the same title as The Doctor's journal in those episodes.
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Hip hop hurray that RTD is gone.
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Why was Ecclestone's Doctor So pissed off with the Daleks when now it is revealed that it was the Time Lords themselves that were the baddies? Also, if breaking the Time Lock would bring back the Daleks, Star Child and other members of KISS, then why when Davros came back for all of 15 minutes the Time Lords were nowhere to be found?
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Jan 01, 2010 10:41:45 PM CST
For All Those Excited About These New Time War Creations
by darfurontherocks2
.... I know lots of us busted a nut thinking about the possibilities for The Nightmare Child as others.... I have two words for you: Shadow Proclamation!
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Jan 01, 2010 10:44:26 PM CST
The Problem Remains that the Doctor is Over-powered
by darfurontherocks2
Now we have the Doctor Beating Rassilon himself, who has a more profound understanding of Time than the Doctor.... Seriously, RDT never understood that Overpowered superheroes quickly become boring. Next up: Doctor Who defeats the combined might of the White and Black Guardians.
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After the President gets roasted my Rasillon, the Original Time Lord asks the Doctors who wants the power, and all of them say no in freight..... The Doctor had more personality when his had limits...
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...Tovey is a terrific actor, and probably would have made a much better 11 than Smith, who looks every inch the middling charm-free British character actor (a huge let-down after the mercurial Tennant). But I'm relieved Tovey is sticking with the fabulous Being Human, on which he is so tremendously good. If the Season 5 DW promo is any indication, it will just be recycling all of 10's foils/monsters/characters anyway, only with a much less interesting (and far uglier) Doctor. Too bad.
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Is there a way I can see the next season preview in the U.S.? BBC site says the video is for UK only! Can't wait to see what Moffat does with an entire season.
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The Daleks turned the Time Lords nasty, but the daleks were evil from the start. So the daleks and their war turned the Time Lords into monsters that needed to be stopped. The Daleks ruined the Time Lords and forced the Doctor to destroy his own people. Why wouldn't he be pissed? As for Dalton being Rasillon, I was unsure if this was literally Rasillon or just some sort of expression. If it was Rasillon, I would take it that the Time Lords in their most desperate hour turned to someone they thought could fight the Daleks on their level and made a deal with their own devil.
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i said they ripped off star blazers with galifrey looking like gamelan ta boot. i know what gallifrey looks like thank you. when i say star blazer ripoff, watch the ending of the first series. the stand off with desslok and wildstar is very similar. there were also elements of it when the doctor was in orbit, you could almost hear him cry about earth, in the same way everybody did on the way to iscandar.
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Jan 01, 2010 11:20:53 PM CST
ISleptWithKathyBatesAndAllThatIG otWasThisStupidTalkbackName is
by neo-dominar
i totally spaced that one. duh is me. the second you said it, it all came back to me. but that woman would have been hard to explain as well in the story, it was better to just stop by with the book.
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I want it now.
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We're all wondering who the woman was who appeared to Wilf and then was revealed as one of the dissenting Gallifreyan counsellers. The President says something that I'm surprised no one's jumped all over, yet. "Only two stand against and will stand as monument to their shame... the weeping angels of old." And there they stood... their hands in front of their faces like the very scary statues in Sally Sparrow's adventure! What deeper connection to them does she have... and the Weeping Angel's connection to the Timelords? Well Moffatt created them and we know they're in the new series. Maybe we'll learn more sooner than later.
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RTD did a good job. He threw in some nice references to classic Who, BTW. I thought at first the regeneration would be caused by the fall, like Tom Baker's Doctor. However, he instead willingly regenerated to save his companion, a la Peter Davison.
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Zing!
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If you're talking to me, what I want is the Moffat series, of which there is a preview available now. Sadly no torrent till they start airing.
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Jan 02, 2010 12:28:40 AM CST
radiation box from Star Trek, Shooting down missiles from Starwa
by mistergreen
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for the eztv.it link. You know, after how awful I thought the last episode was, this one actually impressed me a bit. I found myself all choked up at the end. Although, I'm not sure if I like the fact that Matt Smith's Doctor seemed to be happy about the fact he was going to crash. Still, I laughed at his thinking he was female and checking for an adam's apple.
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along with their retarded rebranding
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I hope you all eat shit and die. I can't go *any where* to discuss this episode without dealing with whiny brits who are apparently constantly being anally raped to the point that every thing they see and here is shite. I'd *love* to have someone intelligent who isn't just spouting off whining retarded shite, but alas thanks to nerds who don't know emotion when it hits them in the face I can't. Kindly go fuck yourselves once your anal-raper is done.
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It was a fitting final episode for Tennant (the man responsible for turning my wife and a legion of other girls onto good sci-fi, and helping nerd-chic) and Davies (thanks for bringing my fave childhood show back and making it so bloody cool). Matt Smith is a fantastic actor, watch "Party Animals" and the episode of Jimmy Mcgovern's "The Street" he stars in...excellent performances in both. I look forward to see what Smith & Moffat bring to the Who-niverse. Fantastic final episode.
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...right up until the Doctor stepped out of the box, then it at least made sense.
So the Doctor can just leap out of a speeding spaceship and fall like 3 stories and...wait for it...stand up?
And what happened to the Master? He just went POOF with Gallifrey and friends? WTF?
The radiation vents into the control room? Got it! Wait, no I don't.Who designed that fucking machine?
Serious question, was this Tennant's choice? I can't find anything on-line that tells me.
I was really hoping they do more with Jack. You'd think after the events of Children of Earth that the Doctor would have given Jack more than his next plaything. I was hoping for something along the lines of the Doctor giving Jack back some of his humanity by showing him how alike they are and how Jack doesn't have to be a soulless monster. NAHHHH, here Jack, go fuck this guy, that'll repair the centuries of bitterness and callousness just like Ianto did...oh wait...FUCK -
the episode, (i.e. the computer generated mad descent whilst fending off waves of missiles) this part two WAS far far superior to part one and was genuinely emotional thanks pretty much to Cribbins and Tennant. The 'knocking four times' was fulfilled in a extremely good way with sacrifice that summed up the character of the Doctor - was glad it wasn't just a Master Vs. Doctor finale, and as many have said the cheese factor was toned down several notches with Simm being able to shine through.
Sure the fall of the Time Lords again was a bit rushed but Dalton did great with what he was given. I've had major issues with some of Davies' writing and decisions for his episodes, but the last 20minutes were a wonderful epitaph. -
Forgive this rant but I have a lot to get off my chest.
First, I realize that I'm in the minority here, but I have to say good riddance to Tennant as Doctor. (I'm not optimistic about Smith, either).
As far as the finale goes, I've seen masturbation porn that was less self congratulatory than the show's last 20 minutes. Ordinarily, I'd ask why it took him a year or so to regenerate but there are far greater holes, inconsistencies, and nonsequiters to concern myself with. (I mean, didn't we learn, essentially, that regenration was actually voluntary and that the Doctor could heal himself and then decline the regeneration?)
Second, I have to agree with most of the UK reviewers (even the ones who liked it) that the episode made absolutely no sense. Coherence and story-telling were really RTD's weaknesses from the get-go. Typical RTD episodes: The "baddies" look like they're winning. Horrible things are happening. But wait! Something that absolutely makes no sense has happened. The baddies lose without explanation! Yay.
Third, for those of you who are looking forward to Moffat, I remind that he's the one who described the Doctor as a godlike figure who instilled fear into whole armies and made the TARDIS materialize with a snap of his finger.
THAT is not the Doctor! He's humble, fallible, and, sometimes, a bit inept. Why is the Doctor now all powerful?
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That is, WHY not hire an actor that is the appropriate age?
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Storywise why would it have taken him a year to regenerate? TARDIS = Time machine...sheesh. I thought it implied that with his death he had forknowledge already about the death of Martha, Ricky and that kid from Sarah Jane - so his 'reward' was to save them.
That 'opening a tardis with a click of a finger' - I read that as a nice 'learn to believe in the confidence you have and abilites' mantra.
Sure the macguffins may have made little sense last night but I honestly believe that was a good a finale as we could have expected from Davies'. Effectively splitting the episode into a 50min adventure then 20min regeneration may have alienated some, but I'm glad they took a bit of time at the end. The quiet moment where Cribbins and Tenant talk and then he saves him - honestly I was expecting the last 20min would be a CGI camp breathless run-around, and whilst you could argue they were shoe-horned in contextually if you look a the whole era, it made for a nice round off before starting anew later this year.
Davies' era - lots to justifiably bitch about (I like the RTD Bingo card that flew around on here a few weeks ago) but he brought the show back and gave it the budget, scope and actors to keep us entertained. I hope Moffatt will give us a darker, less camp and more intelligent show too I really do, but fear if he strays too far from the beaten track now and alienates the crowd New-Who has attained, we're looking at relegation not regeneration - the BBC is primarily run by hacks who I'm sure would prefer to stick on a cheap 'Stricly Come Dancing Xfactor off' if DW becomes even only a bit less profitable for them. -
Some of the negative talkback on tennent and the last 25 mins or so i find quite untasteful. I mean as Davies said,he wanted to tret the Doctors regeneration as a death as each doc has his own personality and traits and as such is a unique individual and as fans we take to one doctor but not necessarily another. The end was quite touching and moving with the doctor clearly liking this version of himself and not wanting to let go. I always felt the regenerations weere a bit rushed in the old series anyway..like changing your clothes and off we goo..why!
The ep was a lot better than part one and some talkbackers are right in that Davies has a knack for character moments but not necessarily plot. The story was so so but was elevated by the entire cast..especially cribbins,simm and Timothy Dalton as supporting actors. Tennant will be sorely missed for sure..never have i felt so upset at a regeneration and i was a huge fan of Tom Baker and Jon pertwee.
Matt smiths brief debut was as i had seen in clips of him filming on youtube and past performances pretty uninspiring. Still far too young and actually very unpleasent to look at! theres something quite creepy about him. Im a huge fan of moffat and i hope he takes the show on but i still think he cast the wrong mand and it will be interesting to see the viewing figures for the new show if people abandon the series which Tennant made his own. Certailnyl some of my family have said they won't bother now..we'll see. -
painywoo. Murray gold is a fucking genius. His score much better than most hollywood movies these days. I could hum at least a half dozen of his temes unlike transformers 2 or star trek or any other hollywood score they churn out these days. I hope Gold continues his score elevate the show no end.
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Thanks for bringing back the show, not so many thanks for all the wack episodes you've written. Moffat's series looks EXTREMELY like RTDs though, slightly worried there. Hope Moffat can make the show more like Doctor Who again.
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...a Time Lord's been forced to regenerate after standing in the Mr. & Mrs. soundproof booth.
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Okay, what do we know. She's the same woman who was standing behind the Lord President, which means she's a Time Lord. (And her appearing to Wilf out of thin air implies that the President's idea for transforming their species might just come to pass...) Clearly she's someone The Doctor is personally aquainted with. And when he's asked by Wilf just who she is, what does The Doctor do? He looks over at Donna. More to the point, he looks at Wilf's granddaughter. I say the evidence is solid enough to surmise that the woman in white is named Susan Foreman.
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...kind of a more classic 70s-80s vibe-CGI lite too. Looking forward to a new take on the doc but agree with others that Moff will be directed not to stray too far from RTDs winning formula. Yesterdays episode was like the new Trek movie, entertainment for the masses but dont beat yourself up over the plot holes.
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Some oddities. Just checked on IMDB.com and Dalton is listed as "The Narrator" not Rassilon. And Claire Bloom is simply listed as "The Woman". Very strange and wonder if we will see more about this with Moffatt's episodes.
But stranger than that. 2 weeks ago, I saw Miranda Richardson in something and thought "Oh, what's she been up to?" I checked on IMDB.com and saw that she was in "The End of Time Part 2". HAD to click on it and saw the credit list, including The Master, Time Lords and everyone else, so kind of spoiled myself.
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I found this online.
"But I did some research and found that a poster at Outpost Gallifrey had mentioned beforehand that he was going to post that info just to disprove IMDb." (as a source for spoilers) -
Some UK press were claiming that she was cast as the Doctor's mother, but that could just be a further sign of the cut-and-paste mindlessness of UK journalism.
All we found out in the story was that she was one of the 2 TimeLords who voted against Rassilon's plan.Doesn't explain how she could project herself to Wilf (maybe we are supposed to think she had some link to the Ood due to the shared white colour theme).Or RTD couldn't be bothered What really nicked me off was Dalton throwing a diamond to Earth (from inside the Time Lock? Before the Time Lock?)Made up for a little in the Dr Who Confidential with RTD saying at length that Dalton loved Who, interspersed with really short, and ambivalent comments by Dalton (especially the one about the script being about 7 scripts all in one - i.e. a real effing mess. Glad someone could tell from the script).The next season teaser has got me quite excited. Mrs Mulberry less so - she finds Matt Smith's forehead unpleasant. -
the sexy slender legs.
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is it just me or these guys not best buds? They have never appeared together on the confidentials, and did you notice how RTD was outside with the plebs when Smith was shooting his scene, with Moffatt in the control room? Did Moff think Russell would fuck up the new Docs 1st appearance? Did seem strange when Russell said that Matts 1st day filmng was also the 1st day they had ever met. Anyone any thoughts?
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http://bit.ly/8ZnkbW - which is pretty good. As for RTD/Hoff 'friction', that just sounds like professional courtesy to me.
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Please tell me you are being ironic? Murray Gold's music has totally ruined New Who from the very first second of the regenerated series. Listen to the God awful score he places over Rose getting ready for work in the Series One opener....sounds like a jamming session in a Bontempi mental institution. This trend continued with a few choice exceptions over the following 5 years (and even these were used to death inbetween the gratuitous monkey's tea party conducted 'action soundtracks'). His score is childish, takes you out of the moment, ruins any suspense, is always played too loud and usually whacks you around the head with 'comedy horns' anytime there's something quirky on screen. I'm pretty sure he's gone now - along with the equally grating RTD. As for the rebooted Star Trek theme...I think you'll find that is instantly humable - Transformers 2, not so much :)
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Like in Waters of Mars... they cut the bit where the doctor learns they are called The Flood, and RTD laughs at his editing ineptness in the commentary and explains the deleted scene.
Maybe this time he can explain a LOT in the commentary. Like all his unanswered questions.
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the more I think about it, the more bringing back Rassilon makes sense, at least in the somewhat convoluted logic that the show goes by. I mean, if the Time Lords were desperate enough to not only bring back the Master but give him a whole new set of regenerations, only to have him turn tail and run off on them, wouldn't they want to bring back an absolutely immortal Time Lord. And do you think Rassilon would accept just being part of an army or would he want his old title back before he agreed to help? Believe me, I'm actually surprised that it makes sense, but it does.
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I don't think we can conclude anything really. There *might* be some jealousy on RTD's part for the praise that Moff's scripts got, both critically and from the fanbase. And considering some of he shit RTD's scripts have gotten.
But really, they're both successful award winning writers in their own right, and probably have nothing but professional courtesy for each other.
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4 times. The more I see the more, ilke.
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I thought this was among the best episodes of Who... so far. It dealt with this incarnations knowledge of his impending demise and for the first time (as far as I can recall) we had a Doctor that knew he was about to "die" and his not wanting to let go.
I may be wrong but past Doctors have all died in a spur of the moment type action. Yet here we had a Doctor that knew he was about to regenerate and it was interesting to see his reaction to his current forms "death" haven been given time to absorb the fact. His not wanting to let go brought a great deal of pathos to the story and his sacrifice that brought it about only leant to this, as he remained true to his principles and would rather sacrifice himself rather than kill another (or even just let them die when he could save them) in order to survive.
Both Cribbins and Tennant were on fine form and some of the exchanges between them were moving. My only gripe with this episode would be that because we knew this was Tennants swan song it overshadowed the entire story and we were ultimately left waiting to see how and when his end came. -
...But we havent seen anything of the next series & Matt Smith, so...I usually like to see something before I have an opinion...am I the only one?
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...apart from the promo.
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...apart from the promo.
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palimpsest nailed it with his review of The End of Time. Can't think of a worse episode in the recent Who cannon. Such a shame that David Tennant had to go with such a dreadfully conceived and written story. If only it had all ended on a high at the end of Series 4. At least the trailer for Series 5 looks interesting!
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Paineywoo - No im not being ironic. Watch the Doctor Who proms special they did a fe w yrs back and Murray Golds music stands out as being fuckin genius ( for a tv series anyway) some themes have been overused i agree but overall the musics been great. I don't even notice the largely bland scores on tv shows these days as they are so fuckin bad it pisses me off.Rant over LOL
Having watched the promo reel a few times now for series 5, i quite like the look of the aliens in it about half way through - way better than RTD aliens and im sure the moff will give the show a new edge but im still not liking Smith or his ridculous costume! hot assistant though ! One thing i liked about the RTD era was that i actually cared about the comapnions. In the old show i never gave a fuck about any of the assistants except sarah jane smith, anyone remember Adric or Ace !! dreadful. I did care about Rose,Donna,wilf,mickey etc etc that is the excellence of a good writer like Davies. Yes he's prob wrong Who but his writing in places and character moments have been wonderful. I dont think moffat will have this skill though he will give the show better stories overall im sure. Tennant and Moffat would have been a wet dream but alasits not meant to be !
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Tennant says "Back into the timewar Rassilon!" after he shoots the diamond/star.
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Oh and as a side note. To those who think Moffat will make the new series a lot darker and Edgier, remember that this show is primarily aimed at children and goes out in the U.K at 7pm on Saturdays. It aint gonna be Blade Runner folks. The BBc will keep a tight reign not to deviate too far from what Davies re-established down to the style to the tone of the show. As i said prevooius. Im sure Moff will write better stories overall and dump some of the sillyness davies ocassionally injected into it but it's not gonna be a radical departure.
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Jan 02, 2010 8:25:10 AM CST
I agree it was a mixed bag but come on dudes try to enjoy it.
by smashing
We piss and moan so much we seem to forget that before 2005 the UK sci-fi output was limited to well nothing, so all hail RTD he did the semi impossible and as a direct result SM is now in charge, a little gratitude would be nice.Last nights finale was entertaining, odd but fun, I agree the ending lacked any dramatic tension beyond regeneration but it was still exciting to see, the story was bat shit crazy, RTD see's The Master as an excuse to go loco and good on him, as least he never leathered him up in a BDSM kind of way, and believe me he could have, the story concluding so early was as mentioned odd, the scenes on the alien spaceship completely unneeded and the missile fight chase fun for the kids, though my 61 year old dad also enjoyed that bit. Heresy alert, I thought there was too much Wilf, especially as he didn't really do anything asides fret like an old nanna, still Spud asked for him as a companion and that is what he got, I hope he noted RTD has done as requested as much as he can and that means something too I hope. I hoped you all enjoy the new series, it does look exciting.
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From what I've heard, it's not that there's any friction, just that RTD specifically wanted to excuse himself from being in any way involved in the creation of the new Doctor. He said he wasn't going to write a single line for him, and basically that with Matt Smith's arrival it becomes his and Moffat's show.
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http://bit.ly/3BAoot - some interesting stuff here if you've not yet read the article
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The return and the success of WHO under RTD has opened up a space for mainstream genre TV in the UK which really hadn't been around for some years: MERLIN, PRIMEVAL, JEKYLL, BEING HUMAN, ROBIN HOOD as examples. Maybe there's been a little too much chasing of the golden fleece of the "7pm Saturday family audience" slot, but with the costs associated with genre anthology shows (effects and location budgets, guest actors, limited savings through fixed sets and casts) that's maybe to be expected. Part of the good news for UK viewers (and you guys in the States when this stuff transfers through whatever means) is that this trend's continuing. For a start we've got Steven Moffat's other new show for 2010: SHERLOCK plus the new Mark Gatiss version of FIRST MEN IN THE MOON.
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Tom Baker's Doctor knew what was coming all through Logopolis. Probably because his future self kept turning up and telling him.
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Which is a shame. But looking forward to Moffat & Smith's take
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We Need 1) Some one that understands Who 2) Villains that last for than 15 minutes 3) 5 part stories 4) A powered down Doctor that is not a god like he is at the moment.
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I hoped you all enjoy the new series, I already know I will!!!!!!!!
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Jan 02, 2010 9:50:48 AM CST
paineywoo, ARE YOU FUCKED IN THE HEAD? MURRAY GOLD'S SCORING...
by tehcreepythinman
Has been one of the shows highlights. Fuck sakes, I have all four seasons worth of music and there is some incredible work there. Everything is memorable and INSTANTLY recognizable unlike the bulk of composing I hear in movies these days. Listen to his score for Doomsday, Blink, Girl in the Fireplace, All The Strange Strange Creatures, Martha’s Theme, Boe, My Angel Put the Devil In Me, Yana, The Master Vainglorious, This Is Gallifrey Our Childhood Our Home, Turn Left, A Dazzling End, The Rueful fate of Donna Noble, Davros, The Dark and Endless Dalek Night and those are just my personal favorites. So try taking the shit out your ears you tone deaf pleb.
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It's like she's lost all the baby fat in her face and now she looks like skin stretched over a skull with an overbite. Killed by boner faster then a shotgun blast to the crotch.
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Ah well. Sally Sparrow/Carey Mulligan she ain't.
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Tennant brought me to tears with his final moments, only to have it ruined by that ugly Neanderthal looking motherfucker they shoved in the role. Does Moffat think that having someone who looks like a football hooligan, that boxes in his spare time, it will make the Doctor seem more “alien”?
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and Moffat should have written for him.
I really do worry that Matt Smith will be too weird, in a way that will alienate viewers. I have no doubt that Moffat will probably write better episodes than RTD, but I hope Dr Who doesn't become niche. I love the fact that its become so much a part of British culture again. -
Jan 02, 2010 11:20:27 AM CST
I own all of the Murray Gold DR WHO soundtracks
by isleptwithkathybatesandallthatigotwasthi
I don't care what others may say, i truly believe that the only other show with as good as soundtrack is LOST."This Is Gallifrey: Our Childhood, Our Home", "Doomsday", "Boe", "A Dazzling End" and "The Doctor's Theme" are amazing pieces of music.
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I think I found every "special" to be a bit of a disappointment. None of them rank high on my list of Who, and even RTD has done better episodes in other series than any of the specials. I didn't find the one-off specials very satisfying as stories, and they didn't do much to build for the end of time, which was a mess, with so much wasted potential. The Doctor felt more and more like a jerk when confronted with his potential mortality, rather than a hero. The worst part of it is that RTD was basically given all the time in the world to craft perfect episodes outside of the burden of building and organizing an entire season. He was blessed with better effects and bigger budgets, and he squandered that opportunity. I used to at least give him the benefit of being overworked, but this was his chance to focus and prove the haters wrong and he didn't. Not only am I excited by Moffat for the episodes he will write, but I am excited that he seems to be interested in bringing in writers who hopefully won't churn out filler episodes. Since Who returned, every series there has been a Moffat story that elevated the show to amazing heights. There have been other great episodes, even RTD has had very good episodes that elevated the show. The specials didn't have that quality. They felt more like filler episodes with a bombastic and then pompous end. I feel a bit ripped off that I went a year without a Moffat episode, or a Dalek(the episode not the villian), or a Human Nature/Family of Blood. Granted we also didn't suffer Daleks in Manhattan or Love and Monsters, but I'm willing to suffer a bad one for something great. Here is hoping series 5 produces some great ones without much filler or duds.
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There were some bad things about this episode but on the whole really enjoyed it & then ... Matt Smith turned up.Just the kind of whooping, hollering young idiot I can't stand.
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like shooting rassilon wouldnt kill him. he is a time lord so would regenerate. the doctor told the master in season 3 that its only a bullet, regenerate. fair enough we knew the master was trapped in the saxon form from part one so shooting him would make sense..but on the whole i loved the episode.especailly the master telling the doctor to get out of the way. 20 seconds of redemption that had me cheering for the bad guy.
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I said this on Gallifrey Base as well. The new trailer does not look cinematic at all. Even though RTD Who shot on cheap ass DigiBeta instead of HD from the start, they did a lot in post [production] to make it feel cinematic. But what we've now seen of Moffat Who does not look cinematic at all even though it is shot on HD, it looks like some cheap ass syndicated tv show shot up in Canada. To me, it looks as cheap as "Forever Knight" did. Don't get me wrong, I loved that show, but this is 2010 and that show looked cheap back in the late 80s. Smith's looks are, uhm, not common. I remember the interview Moffat gave that he said that he thought The Doctor should not be a pretty boy but a weird looking older man. Well, I guess he decided to swap out the older part. Then again, I've never seen Smith act in anything before but I have a feeling this could cut the audience down with female viewers leaving in droves. The good things we are getting is Moffat's writing and his take on things, a hot female assistant, and HD, but I'm afraid we aren't getting the right actor for the role. I would've preferred had Tennant chose to stay on because he's a bit like Brosnan was in the Bond films, the right actor for the job but stuck with suck ass scripts. Well, let me clarify... Tennant should've stayed or McGann should've been brought back. McGann is now the age that most people think an actor should be to play the role yet he still looks pretty young. He is a fantastic actor and combined with Moffat's writing could be The Doctor that we all knew he could be had the TVM led to a series back in 1996. I find it funny that RTD and Moffat both have this slavish affection for the non-canon Peter Cushing "Dr. Who" films from the 60s but no real love for the TVM.
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Things I'm hoping from DW in 2010: 1) More REAL science fiction stories, especially ones that echo the best of the Pertwee-T.Baker era (Moffat gives me hope), 2) More adventures in time and space, less on contemporary Earth (okay for the 3rd-Doctor in exile period, but really strained now), 3) NO MORE END-OF-EARTH/SAVE THE UNIVERSE STORIES! RTD did it so often it has become cliched and silly. Not to mention, I think DW always worked best with smaller, human-scaled stories ("Talons of Weng-Chiang," "Blink," for example) and I prefer the idea of the Doctor and companions saving the day anonymously and unthanked by most of the world, as opposed to the grand public spectacles RTD kept orchestrating. 4) Less pop-culture references and celebrity guest appearance - they just take me out of the story and remind me I'm watching a TV show (they also make continuity problematic - Tony Blair has been mentioned on the show, but exactly when would his term have fit in?), 5)No more story arcs! I know, pretty much all contemporary shows use them, but I think attempts to link all shows with a given season of DW takes away from the universe-spanning sense of adventure the old show had. And stop giving so much importance to the family of each and every companion. ON CRITICISMS/CONCERNS: I'm keeping an open mind on Matt Smith until I see a full episode. His wackiness in the "End of Time" might be post-regeneration trauma. As far as his looks go, I think it's always a good idea when the show casts an actor who is a contrast to the previous Doctor, and his unusual appearance might be an asset in portraying the Doctor's alien character. BTW, everyone said Daniel Craig was too ugly to play Bond when he was announced, and frankly, he may turn out to be the best actor to have taken the role. Not to mention, I've read old articles in which fans derided the show when the classy Jon Pertwee was replaced by the odd-looking and wacky Tom Baker, and we know how that turned out for the show.
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I'm not current on who's hot at the moment but are there any 20-something actors who you think would have made a good choice besides Gimpface?
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Ok i grew up watching doctor who, Sylvester Mccoy was just coming in when i began watching. Colin Baker just scared me, all the colours :S. and i was a fan from then on and i love the new series, but goddamn what the hell was that???? I know DT and RTD are leaving the show and i 'accept' that they deserve a decent send off, but the first 2/3rds of that episode were a straight kick in the face for everybody that has followed the show in anticipation of this moment. John Simm, Bernard Cribbins and DT are magnificent actors and they all had amazing arcs and scenes, but in the grand scheme of doctor who (and in terms of actual storytelling) it was a bit of a cruel joke.
The Timelords: well we knew we were coming back, but we didnt expect it would be this freakin quick. The grand old empire from Gallifrey got corrupted and they were sealed in the timelock, all well and good. The way they used the Master to escape was great. But Gallifrey materialising near earth??? bit of a pisstake if im honest. Planet appears, people run round streets, link gets broken and it dissappears again, thanks for playing. So much for the theory that the timelock was being wiped away and the timelords were making a proper comeback. Why couldnt it just go back where it was meant to be, planets in the sky are so ridiculous that you cant take them seriously. no terror, no fear, just boredom waiting for the inevitable resolution. RTD has painted them into a bloody corner, theyre now in Hell and trying to 'ascend'. Stargate tried that storyline and it was shit then too. Id love to see the most powerful race in the galaxy make a comeback, so many amazing stories could be told and the Doctor could go back to being a rebel on the run instead of the miserable, borderline emo orphan hes turned into.
'The Woman': Claire Bloom's character wasnt fleshed out, her appearance was confusing and the revelation she was with the Timelords was bloody confusing. Unless as a timelord she ascends in the future and just came back to screw with time. Overall pointless and thoroughly annoying.
Timothy Dalton aka Rassilon: ok any Whovian knows Rassilon was the father of timelord society. And hes been dead a while. maybe thats why he was so desperate not to die again lol. RTD brought him back, made him a bastard and didnt explain a damn thing then sent him back to hell gettin zapped like a little fairy by john simm. Thanks for that RTD, next time u make a major plot twist, try bloody explaining it you bastard.
I suppose its like christmas in general. you make yourself get excited, the buildup is amazing, the day starts with so much promise..... then by the end you feel sick, its dark and cold outside and you just want to go to bed and for it to be tomorrow. I liked a few bits of the episode, the 20 minute send off was over the top but i understand why they did that and the scenes between the Doctor and Wilf were some of my all time favourite scenes, but the regeneration, instead of being glorious and heroic, was reduced to DT virtually crying he didnt want to go, fine weve had the doctor say hes afraid to die, but wow did they make him sound like a girl. No other regeneration has been quite so soap opera before. Nil points!
On the plus side i just watched the preview for the new series and i gotta say it looks darker, more cinematic, a bit less childish and more fun. I think Matt Smith has actually filled me with confidence for how he will play the timelord that never seems too clear on how old he is. And yeah the new companion is STUNNING. -
Fuck me he looks like the love child of hugh grant and Rocky from Mask. Fucking terrible I cannot watch the new series get him to fuck. I watched the trailer which looks pish and the minute he said geronimo I turned it off. The guy is one cromosone off an ape.
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In three years when Matt Smith is done they should go to Steve Coogan's house and load a dump truck full of Euros on his lawn. Moffat is clever enough to go with an older regeneration next time. I hope for the best with Matt Smith. In the end it will all just come down to the stories.
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Yeah he has no eyebrows. Maybe when he looks in the mirror and see's his new face he'll say "well, that's what I get for making fun of the Mona Lisa."
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Jan 02, 2010 2:04:39 PM CST
And The Doctor changes into The Joker at the end! >:P
by theghostwholurks
Man... what an ugly, creepy and annoying guy Matt Smith is! Episode overall was kind of lame... the "threat" only took 1/2 of the episode, the remainder was The Doctor dealing with his impending "death" and visiting old companions.The GOOD: David Tennant's acting: easily the BEST Doctor outside of Tom Baker! Bernard Cribbs' acting... loved the interaction between he and The Doctor. The visits/farewells to old companions... nice to see Mickey and Martha married (FINALLY, a Black couple!!!), Sarah Jane and the visit to the bookstore signing. RTD is, at long last, off the show! Yes, this is GOOD!The BAD: David Tennant is ALSO off the show... this STINKS, because not only won't we benefit from seeing Tennant's talents on an all-Moffat Doctor Who, but we'll have to suffer the lesser talents of Matt Smith, who clearly doesn't have the appeal or charisma of Tennant... a true shame. The plot: goofy, campy, silly and overall weak. No real tension and basically a set-up simply for The Doctor's transformation. I could feel Tennant's pain as he cried out "Everything I've done and THIS is my reward???!!!" We're with ya, bud... we're with ya. The Doctor hooking up the male pilot from one the past Christams Specials with Cap'n Jack: RTD couldn't resist one more gay reference in the story and, as usual, it was pointless and obnoxious. Hopefully, it'll be the LAST one we'll see in WHO, and Moffat will focus on the actual PLOTS.Overall, the episode gets a 5/10... mainly due to a balance between Tennant and Cribbs acting vs. the lame main plot. I'll truly miss David Tennant's Doctor. It's a shame he couldn't stick around. :(
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Jeez,wot a let down.As a big Dr Who fan,i felt truly short changed by this crap.It went on and on and on and on-the result was like the last half hour of Return Of The King.They just didnt know when to end it.Scene after pointless scene we were battered over the head with The Message-dont you pleb scum realise this is the end of an era?!!!That was shoved in your face all the way thru.(And,yes,RTD did sneak in yet another sly homosexual scene,as he does in all the Dr Who stuff hes written,this time about Captain Jack picking up another guy in a bar.Hopefully all this shit will be stopped now RTD is gone-we dont need gay"issues"on tv that children are watching,Russ.Keep your agenda to yourself.)All in all,not a bad way out for Tennant,but,oh,it needed SERIOUS editing.6 outta 10
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Whats with all the crap about who the Timelord was that was talking to Wilf? At the end at the wedding Wilf asks who she was, the Doctor looks at Donna......therefore Donna was the Timelord, not the Doctors mother or any other crazy bitch!!!
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I read that as the Doctor ignoring Wilf's question, not as he indicating that somehow Donna becomes a full-fledged Time Lord.
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Jan 02, 2010 3:29:53 PM CST
FOR THE BLIND: IT WAS THE DOCTORS MOTHER!
by chronicallydepressedlemming
He looks at Donna's mother FIRST, then he looks at Donna. When he sees her face, they have an unspoken moment.
It's his mother. I thought personally they should have just said it as it was telegraphed a mile away and obvious to all..clearly, I was wrong. Some actually are confused by Subtle T Davis.. -
That woman acted NOTHING like Donna Noble, the loudest, rudest and most obnoxious companion in the History of WHO. Personally, I thought it was The Doctor's mother.
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I am not a fan of Tate. But...it was a great concept to take a very obnoxious person who grows and becomes a more complete human being through her experiences with the Doctor, then loses it all at the end. Very poignant.
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...I've had 9 vodka red bulls tonight. What the fuck do I know?
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'We dont need gay blah blah blah.' What year are you living in? 1952? You sound like a 75 year old Daily Mail reading conservative arsehole. 'WILL SOMEBODY PLEEASE THINK ABOUT THE CHILDREN!!' HA HA HA. Your 'hypothetical' children spose you are talking about-reading your bile I would suspect pussy would not be adundant in your life, or dick for that matter. KISSES XXX!!!!
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....although there were a few predictably dubious moments amongst the nuggets, I think most viewers would have really enjoyed many a moment of the last David Tennant episode, during which the main leads did themselves proud.I just wish that something as eventful as the return of the Timelords had somehow been given another whole episode of epicness to themselves, as I'd liked to have seen even more of Timothy Dalton's Rassilon....No matter, the whole of Tennant's participation as the Doctor has been wonderful for the show, and has ended up building on the early success of the re-launched Who.But as well as RTD's overall efforts to revive this thing, let's not forget how fantastically well his first Doctor was played by Christopher Eccleston's too-short moment in the role....and lets not forget that between him and Billie Piper, the show had already become a multi-award winning smash hit....Both of these modernised Doctors will be a very hard act for Matt Smith to follow, but since Tennant put his own great mark on the role after Eccleston's wonderful version, I'm happy to wait a while for Smith to make an impression too.I'll certainly be watching to see how Karen Gillan's companion turns out....since she comes from the same place in the Highlands that I do, and went to the same school as my boys!My Doctors were the awesome Jon Pertwee and Tom Baker, but I hope Steven Moffat can give Matt Smith's Doctor a chance to continue the previous strong popularity for this show.
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who had never seen any Doctor Who until the 1996 movie, I am curious. Have they ever done a regeneration in the middle of a season (I guess you call them "series" over there)? Has it always been common knowledge when one actor was going to leave or have they ever surprised the audience with it?
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Because even your typing reads like it has a blabbering slur. Go back to bed and come back when you start making some sense.
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you are clearly a rabid homo.For the record,Ive had more pussy than you ever will.And I continue to get it.unlike you-you get an endless supply of mens arses.Or,since you dont feel children should be protected from unsavoury sights on tv,you are possibly a paedo.If yer a fan of RTD,yer a fan of Gary Glitter.Keep surfing for kiddie porn dude.xxx
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Always at the end/start of series. The first few might have been surprises because there wasn't as much media coverage as today. I know, years ago, when I was watching half-heartedly, and Tom Baker fucking DIED, and turned into Peter Davison...that was a major shock and that's when I really started watching Doctor Who more closely.
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Battle of the gingers, who was worse?
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Jan 02, 2010 4:23:13 PM CST
Clupula, the first regeneration may have been surprising
by theghostwholurks
...If only because the 1st Doctor, William Hartnell, died and no one had heard of the character regenerating before. After that, however, it became something of an "event," sort of like the picking of a new James Bond.
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Bonnie. I HATED Tate and she kind of won me over during the course of the series.
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Correct me if I am wrong, but Hartnell did not die, but left the show because of bad health. I believe he died a few years later.
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the peter davison regeneration was announced, it was shown in an interview on one of the dvds, that was the only time the doctor regenerated before the end of the season. i can only assume in the old days it was announced on daytime tv interviews
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as we know them today.
Pebble Mill would have been the closest equivalent, and they never mentioned anything like Doctor Who.
No, in the old days, it was covered in the newspapers. And not in a major way.
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There was a year between Logopolis and Castrovalva, so yeah, Baker regenerated at the end of the season.
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Its a shame the final was a bit of a let down but we are about to move into a brand new era of doctor who and im excited.I hope the master returns but more like he was in the Pertwee years.
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He survived a few years longer, and appeared in the 3 Doctors, with Troughton and Pertwee. But he was dead by the time they made The 5 Doctors. The role of Doctor #1 was played by Richard Hurndall (now deceased).
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9 years after leaving WHO (tho ill-health was the main reason for him leaving). He did turn up, briefly, in a 1973 serial "The Three Doctors". His role was played by a lookalike actor, Richard Hurndall, in the 1983 "Five Doctors" special.
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you ARE so very annoyed, poor dear. Strike a cord? Few unresolved issues regarding sexuality? Whats all this about paedophiles? You ARE a mess....best to have an early night. God bless. XXXX
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Bonnies is the worse. I think my hatred of Bonnie goes back to my youth and "Just William". But in fairness to the lady, she's been a *lot* better in the audio adventures.
Tate, well, I never liked her comedy stylings and hated the Christmas Bride. But by god, she won me over. Fair props to her, she had a ton of pre-conceptions against her to win me over, but she did. From the pleading in Pompeii to save someone/anyone, to the point where she simply said "Please" before stepping in front of a speeding truck. Now, she is probably my favourite companion. And if you'd told me that I'd think that way 2 years ago, I'd have thought you were mad. -
Sorry. Drunk. Ignore me.
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Sorry. Drunk. Ignore me.
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Jan 02, 2010 4:45:45 PM CST
Why did none of the reviewers say Martha and Mickey were Married
by roborob
In his last jaunt around his companions when we see them talksing Martha and Micky are Married, Both independant but fighting the good fight and hunting a Sontaran BUT the Sontaran has them in his sights when he is Hammered from behind by the Doctor. Why did None of the reviewers Mention it, did they miss the lines? it was rather quick. Also no one mentioned that Donna Married the Chap we saw in Ep 1 of this tale.
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apparently.
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But only if you join me, Palimpsest.
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With Moffat knowing P jackson who is a big Doctor who fan is it possible he could write and direct a future episode? Other top directors have done television,Tarantino a prime example.
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(pours another one and raises a glass to Leela)
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For me: Sarah Jane Smith and Romana #1 (Mary Tamm). Romana 2 (Lalla Ward) always seemed too snobby and prissy to me, even as a kid.
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Take a look at the device Dalton's character is armed with- if you watched Torchwood, you've seen it before..
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Thanks for bringing back Who. Now fuck off with your stupid, silly jokes, lame scripts, reset buttons and sexual agendas. Let someone who actually 'gets' Who handle it.
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Someone with an arc. by the end, when her mother and granddad cry "She was better! She was better with you!" is just awesome. We have a genuinly unlikable protagonist go through so many changes, and then - by sacrificing all her growth for others - going back to the onbnoxious bitch she was when we met her. you see her cry inside... at least you hope you do, becouse if she feels bad, that means she remembers at least a bit. That's caracter progression you can only do on TV. Best thing RTD ever did. (and I hated... HATED Donna in runaway bride.)
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...I may have been only six at the time but I remember everyone in my house saying 'Oh, this new bloke looks rubbish'. About ten minutes into the first Baker episode we were hooked. All it took me took get jizzed for Dr11 was the preview for the new season. He looks fab in the role and that forehead gives him an alien-esque appearance. My fellow Who-addicts whom I have grown up with gave Matt Smith the immediate thumbs up. In fact I got a text from one saying 'I predict next Doc will be best ever'. Loved the face he pulled when he threw that punch.
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Jan 02, 2010 8:41:00 PM CST
I think everyone hated Donna at first
by isleptwithkathybatesandallthatigotwasthi
I was with everyone else when it came to the outrage following RTD's announcement that she'd be the next companion. And she surprised me! I think a lot of people realised their initial reactions had been wrong.I'm sure the same will happen with Matt Smith.
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I like Donna but those two birds are GORGEOUS!!! I'd like to get both of em' in the sack at the same time and go nasty on them!BTW, I'm actually tearing up now. I'm such a sap!
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I loved Donna. I thought no one could replace Rose. But because there was NO sexual tension between her and the Doctor it made series 4 the best one.
I was SO MAD that they didn't give Donna more to do in this finale when they foreshadowed it in Part 1. I was hoping/praying they'd restore her memory somehow (hell they brought The Master back from the dead). I'm mad they didn't.
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Loved Tennent run as the Doctor and loved all the supporting cast! And much respect to Davies as well!Can't wait to see where the Doctor goes now!
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I couldn't stand Tate's schoolgirl schtick comedy routine but I absolutely LOVED her as Donna. The fact that she has long red hair and big tits also was a factor.
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Glad he brought the Doctor back, but his writing was too much like that shit stain Joss Whedon. In fact, he referred to the Master as "a big bad" once. The new Doctor might work. He reminds me of a fifth doctor and seventh doctor mixture. Let's hope we get more classic scifi and not forced gay characters using quips. All hail Stephen Moffat.
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The past is always better than now, ain't it?
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I do love the old Who and the new Who, just hated the writing of Davies. I hate people trying to trivialize scifi and fantasy or use it for a forced agenda.
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Why must we see Jack hooking up with someone, boy or girl? Seems to make the character a horn dog, not a well rounded person with more depth than sexuality. Besides, the Cantina was better in Star Wars.
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Yeah I noticed the glove on Dalton's hand too. I figured it was just a reused costume piece rather than an actual reference to Torchwood. If you notice, Wilford's gun is a Webley, the same gun that Captain Jack carries. I think those were budget conscious decisions rather than in universe references.
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I too was hoping for much more from the cantina scene than what we got, I said earlier in this thread - "I was really hoping they do more with Jack. You'd think after the events of Children of Earth that the Doctor would have given Jack more than his next plaything. I was hoping for something along the lines of the Doctor giving Jack back some of his humanity by showing him how alike they are and how Jack doesn't have to be a soulless monster. NAHHHH, here Jack, go fuck this guy, that'll repair the centuries of bitterness and callousness just like Ianto did...oh wait...FUCK"
I really like Jack's character, even more so since COE, and I was hoping for a nice character moment like the Doctor had with Wilford, but alas apparently Jack is only interesting to RTD if he's sticking his dick in someone.
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The character of Captain Jack is really cool, but RTD wants him to be a fuck toy. It's like he has a gay character quota for each episode too. I also hate that Ionto Jones went from straight to gay in a moment. What is up with that? Torchwood would be so much better if it was adult and not the scifi sex show.
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Gotta say, I really enjoyed it. Cribbins was excellent, and DT's last line was poignant... but, Matt Smith is gonna surprise a lot of people come the spring... keep the faith, people!
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It be comin'
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just ready for the Moffat to bring back Who
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O.k.... So Davies brought the show back with a bang (and some amazing green light in the TARDIS),you have to give him and the actors respect for that alone, but tbh , everything he does always promises much, but delivers nothing .
He must be the most self indulgent writer on British T.V.....
All I kept thinking through the whole of part 2 was Star War, Star wars.... Oh look , a bit more Star Wars...Pathetic.
(The opening scenes
with the smashed dome and wrecked Dalek ships where amazing , but it was all down hill from there)....
The only time I enjoy this show is when Steven Moffat is writing it , so I await the next season with baited breath... Matt Smith looks cool (a bit young, but still good).
I'm gay , but the whole forced captain Jack ,gay whore shit is beyond vomit educing , the guys simply a walking penis ,(and John Barrowman who plays him is an utter wanker). If I have to read him going on about his lust for guys with foreskin in the media one more time I'll kill him myself "you cant beat the smell"...WTF?!??)
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Oh ...and I forgot to mention , Bernard Cribbins was amazing and was the best thing about this , I hope they bring him back .....
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Seems Smith is going to be a bohemian type of professor character. I really want more classic Who type writing and ideas.
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how the frick martha (looking hot in the corn rows) married mickey? Last i heard she married a major...his name i forgot, but i thought they were all happy and such. PLEASE EXPLAIN
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i remember there was another glove found in torchwood that wasn't a death thing..i seem to recall there were a few of them and they didn't all do the same thing. could be time lordy.
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The mysterious woman was not The Doctor's mother, it was The Doctor's grand daughter Susan who has been lost - aside from The Five Doctors special episode nearly 30 years ago - since she left the show back in the mid 1960s.
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Here's the problem with that theory...a) we still don't know how she appeared to Wilf. So I wonder if Wilfred's gone...still some explaining. Secondly, the doctor wasn't suprised by Wilf's question, which I found surprising (or bad writing), and 3rd of all, if she was a relative of the Doctor, why wouldn't he have taken her with, and even so, wouldn't rassilon/bond have used her somehow as leverage?
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Great story, great action, great stuff.
But...
Timothy Dalton was woefully under-used. That's the same sin RTD committed with Derek Jabobi last season. I hope Dalton returns under Grand Moffatt.
The Doctor's "death" scene was very underwhelming. After 2 hours of good sci-fi fx, the best they could do to portray a massive dose of radiation was a red light?! LAME! He shoulda been shown with hideous, painful, gut-wrenching radiation burns. Make it really gross and horrifying. Give the kiddies some nightmares. Totally woulda explained why he fears death so much, even when he knows it isn't permanent.
Only two nitpicks. That's pretty good for a RTD script.
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Since we last saw her, she apparently returned to Gallifrey and became a member of the High Council. She was a dissenting voice. She gave The Doctor the look to help him do the right thing.
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This was the first time my girlfriend had seen the episode and after it ended and *Demons* began, she said Philip Glenister should've been chosen to be the 11th Doctor...
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Forget for a moment that Tennant left the show(still dunno if that was voluntary or not, someone please answer), but wouldn't it have made more sense if the Master had fallen down dead, a victim of his condition and wounds from battling Dalton, now cleansed of all the evil he's unleashed over the millenia. Then moments later the Doctor begins regeneration and channels the energy into the Master's body, bringing a now good Master back to life and stopping his own change.
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Loved the endings...ok, so I'm sentimental. I don't like the look of the new doctor. Sorry...maybe later. Not now.
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No longer the Virgin Queen after meeting the Doctor?? Now THAT would have made a great episode (or did I just miss it?)
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Although they should rethink their audience and shoot for the 18-54 demographic.
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I know it was not needed, but it was a good scene...the Doctor was saying goodbye to his friends, why not give Captain Jack a lay? ya it has been overplayed, and to be honest being in Canada i know nothing of the actor so maybe its better that way, but i imagine if he was straight and the doctor gave him a womans name there would be no objection...
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because the whole character is made to be in eternal search for a hole. Plus, I don't understand why he is such a "great" character for Doctor Who. I really care less if he is gay, but why should I know of his conquests? I could care less how much tail a random Storm Trooper gets on Star Wars. Plus, there is this weird fangirl cult for the character. They tend to like yaoi and want their boyfriends to kiss random boys. Seriously, fangirls can be just as bad as fanboys.
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in the current Matt Fraction X-Men comics.
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off his own accord.
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Hands in front of their WEEPING faces... singled out.... called by Rassion 'the weeping angels of old'... no one gonna comment on THAT?!?!?
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and I think the weeping angels are part of some vampiric sect.
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Ok so I have seen this ending about 30 times now (I do love Doctor who) and even though there was loads to nit pick and I thought it wasnt a great exit for Tennant. I did like his last words and the regeneration itself. HOWEVER when he turns into Matt Smith what the hell does he say? I get all the stuff when he's going "I still have legs" but what does he say about his face? I can't quite clearly make it out as he is ranting. I really like the look of Matt Smith so I can't wait but its driving me made what he exactly says. Can any one help with some sort of transcript?!?!
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One was 'The Woman/Doctor's mother/Susan'. Who was the second person who remained unrevealed. To me it looks a little like Matt Smith.... Maybe this story will be re-visted next season with us seeing this episode from the Timelords persepective and Matt Smith's regenerated Doctor caught in the middle.
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Here's what the new Doctor says in full: "Legs, I've still got legs. Good. Arms, hands, ooohh. Fingers, lots of fingers. Ears, yes, eyes too. Nose, I've had worse too. Chin, blimey. Hair... I'm a girl! No, nooo, I'm not a girl. No. And I'm... I'm still not ginger! So what. And something... important. I'm... I'm... crashing! Ah-haaa! Woooohooo! Geronimo!"
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he says something along the lines of.... arms? fingers?gooood, nose? ive had worse,chin? BLIMEY!hair? im a girl! no im not
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...When the Doc talked about the angels in 'Blink' he didn't mention any connection with the Timelords-unaware perhaps. As for best companion-Sarah Jane was always the choice for me. Of topic but hope I didnt bring the mood down with my rant against Jinste-just hate blatant homophobia.
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but i have a ridiculous chin also and i do alright! saying that i dont have a flat nose and i possess a fine set of eyebrows
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of adam ant to Matt Smith. prince charming and stand deliver.
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of Ed tudor pole. there is a definite new romantic thing going on.
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The few bits of Matt Smith dialogue (apart from the new "Geronimo" catchphrase, which is going to piss off parents and teachers up and down the country come spring) kind of reminded me of Peter Davidson - a gentler, less full-on manic style than DT.
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...very interesting.
Davies seems to have a great skill at seemingly hinting at utter greatness (and almost achiveing it with 'Journey's End') but then the things he is suppposedly hinting at, never come to be. Gallifrey returning... never REALLY happened. The Master... was never the REAL master as we knew him... the Master's ring left over from LOTTL was picked up by..... who cares? Rassilon is back... and and... he's gone. This list is endless...
I don't know. It just seems that the things which Moffat is hinting at... River Song, Weeping Angels etc. actually seem to have a chance at actually being fulfilled and more importantly FULFILLING! Come on Moff... Davies brought Doctor Who back but (much like the planet Gallifrey) it's been sort of hovering around, looking awesome and not. actually. doing. a. lot. Hopefully Moffat can connect the dots, and totally BLINK the show. -
of Manfred Manns Earth band. Who subsequently went to become noted actor. cant remember his name. He sang Do wah diddy. amongst other songs. Paul smith but I could be wrong.
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Well the Docror does keep on complaining when he regenerates that he's disappointed that he's not got ginger hair. Amd if this does happen I want a cut of his fee for suggesting it. Ta.
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for the scene where he bids farewell to the true companion.
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the Doctor's Ma.
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some kind of vampiric sect. that have a medusa connection. anyone who looked at medusa was turned to stone.
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Regenerations were always meant to be a big deal. While I didn't hate this episode, it was a bit of a kitchen sink with all the stuff piled up in it. And how exactly did he save Alonso? Did he go back before he died? Or was shot? Or what? And if he bothered to save him, why not Astrid?
Bringing back the TimeLords would have been brilliant, a real reset to the series. Which would have been fine by me. I've seen the new TARDIS exterior, and it looks exactly like the old movie one, which is a HUGE mistake.
I agree with the person who said Moffit loves the old Cushing films but no love for Paul McGann. They should let RTD write a whole Torchwood style series called "The Time War" and have McGann get some proper screen time.
As for Smith, I wasn't much of a Tennant fan at first, but his acting and his style really grew on me. So I'm going to give this guy a few episodes.
The one elephant in the room, the one thing that was really missing was seeing CE come back for a cameo, or something, because if it weren't for him, there would be no DT or Smith for that matter. He really is the one who brought Doctor Who back.
Love the Davies, but CE had an amazing presence, despite his short run on the lackluster "Heroes" and god forbid "G.I. Joe" CE is the best Doctor we've had in years and years. Dark, complex, and in the end a heroic coward. In "Parting of the Ways", I really thought he might kill 2/3 of mankind just to finish off the Daleks.
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was the singer and actor. He fronted the mannfred earth band when Manfredd Mann quit.
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We didn't "see the doctor hook Jack up with some new hole" we saw him introduce him to someone he could find solace and hopefully heal with.
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they look old school to me. Please, please, please dont pull another another Davros return out of your hat. steve.
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Jack a piece of ass. Davies is always very clear that he has a "gay agenda" in his writing. At least he is honest about that = even if some viewers are not.
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and Gasllifrey as an ongoing threat.
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Is it just me, or has anyone else realized that each time the doctor regenerates he gets younger. I'm betting the last regeneration has him become a teenager, and we have a Welsey Crusher running the TARDIS.
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Ok, i can't be bothered to read this whole thread but i'm sure this has been discussed before. i just want to vent my general rage, even though i love DW and these last 2 episodes, at the 3 blatant SW rip-offs in TEOT. 1) galactic senate 2) Falcon/TIE battles 3) cantina. did anyone else think these were horrible? not even close to homage!
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to rip off anything at all. His "day" is done. Let us just be grateful for that.
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I agree with the most of you that this episode was utter garbage. It was a waste of a big bad, waste of a regeneration, heck waste of a story to be quite honest. In my opinion the 10th Doctor's Swan Song is still Journey's End.
Now To the plotholes:
1. Freema and Mickey married? Didn't we learn in "The Doctors Daughter" that Martha was dating the guy from the hospital from sound of drums/last of the timelords? She also stated she was engaged to him - - Yet she somehow winds up with Mickey?
2. The Doctor has previously stated he is 915 years old. This episode he stated he was 906.
there are probably more but thats all I could think of off the top of my head. I was very disappointed in most of the episode. They bring back the time lords for a total of 15 minutes max, we get to learn its Rassilion behind the timelords, we get to see someone whos related to the doctor but they don't specify who.. The whole space ship scene MEH. RTD had a whole year to write his opus, and this is how he chose to go out? Oh and I didn't know the doctor could jump out of fast moving vehicles crash through glass and survive from around 2-3 stories up. How could the master not have known that it was a Vinvachi standing next to him when he can see everyone and everything?
Gallifrey didn't return. Gallifrey was completely underused. When they released the 2 minute promo "I will not die!" I thought to myself wow the second episode actually starts on Gallifrey look at all the broken dalek ships etc that looks AMAZING. Hell all the scenes on Gallifrey were amazing. Also like some of the posters above. I had expected the Doctor to put Jack back on his course. Instead he gives him a fuck buddy?
After what went on in Children of Earth the Doctor owed Jack far more then that. Overall I give the last two episodes 4/10. Very saddening indeed I know but it was a SHITTY ending for the 10th doctor. In my mind, he regenerated in Journey's End. And these god-forsaken want to be episode tv movies never existed. -
Tom Baker falls from a pylon and regenerates! David tennant falls 1000 ft from the sky, through a ceiling and grazes himself! Chris Eccleston absorbs the time vortex and regenerates! David tennant absorbs radiation,(Which he shakes out of his foot in a previous episode!) takes a holiday visiting friends, then regenerates and destroys the tardis in the process!
Why didnt this happen every time a regeneration happens in the tardis? I wont even start ranting about the goodbyes he gave to his former companions...... Martha MARRIES Micky!!!! Come on! and why didn't Rose recognise the 10th doctor the first time she saw him!.... Bring on Moffat and Smith! I cant wait! -
I suppose the mysterious lady could have been Susan (assuming she was a Timelady and not just a Gallifreyan), however as Carole Ann Ford is still alive surely it would have made more sense to use her in the role. Imagine if they hadn't shown her face while she was talking to Wilf and we just saw her at the end as a reveal. As for the people suggesting it was the Doctor's mother..... a human on the High Council? I doubt it.
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Why is no one asking who the other one was? The whole time I was going "Go on, Drop your hands and be Paul McGann, You know you want to" I think the other Person was Romanna or Leela
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to relaunch Blake Seven. they had contracted Paul Darrow to return. but he read the script and wisely threw the contract back in their face and walked. Dont know if its coming back all. Dont be suprised if one day RTD gets a call from sky and Blake Seven gets rebooted.
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hmmm...
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I am an casual Dr. Who watcher and got caught up thanks to the BBC American marathon. I thought the Lost Planets/Darlek storyline would have been a better finale for the show, but this was ok. It seemed like the Doctor went back in time to stop certain deaths like Martha, Mickey and Sara Jane's son. The lottery ticket was funny and it was good to see Rose again. I love Tennant as the Doctor and to be fair Baker is the only Doctor from the past people remember. So, now he totally owns this role from this point on. Smith looks like a muppet and the previews are not convincing me to move forward. People are saying how much they want this new Doctor and direction, but it sounds more like jilted fanboys that are pissed Tennant wanted to do other things. I just hope we never see the Master again or the Time Lords, no need to go back to spoil Tennant's final victory. I expect a ton of guest stars and retreading Sarah, Torchwood and Martha's team meeting the new Doctor. I do expect Tennant back since he is still alive in the parallel world with Rose.
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Paul Darrow fell out with the B7 Enterprises company serveral years back, way before Sky showed an interest. However for the right money and a schedule that works I bet he'll return as Avon.
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It has annoyed me that consistently in the lead up to this finale RTD kept going on about how they had done it justice, and he wasn't worried at all about the episode, and he was OK leaving knowing they had got it right, etc etc.
He just seemed so smug about it, as though with all the monologues he had written his own Hamlet. I don't think it actually occurred to him that it might not be that good. It seemed to me in interviews that David was a little less sure of things, came across a little cagey at times, but I might just be reading into things.
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Apart from the Daleks he is the most famous of the Who villans and he works as the Docs old school friend/rival who is a reflection of himself the Moriaty to the Doctors Holmes which was what the original idea of the Master was. But they should regenerate him too match Smiths age and have back the old suave super villan feel of out to rule the universe and beat the doctor at the same time.
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That's precisely what I've always hated about RTD's Dr Who but have never really been able to articulate.
He kept bringing iconic characters back ... for half an episode. Fuckin' tease.
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Tennant does say he thought the whole "I dont want to go" speech was a bit over the top and he didnt seem a fan of it.
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I wonder is the bbc ageist. Darrow would make a fantastic older dr. or Master.
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The idea that The Doctor gets younger with each regeneration has long been an apocryphal element of The Doctor's mythos, but never confirmed by the show.
Tennant alludes to it a bit in the Children At Risk special where he meets Peter Davison. He mentions that, like all Time Lords, he was old and grumpy when he was young because he thought it would garner more respect, but as he got older he got younger because it's more fun.
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Jan 03, 2010 12:04:27 PM CST
dude i wish he'd make up his mind
by the_unimpressed_ghost_of_lockesbrokenleg
about what bloody age he is. Doc number 7 says he's 953, and that was several regenerations ago! Now Doc 10 says he's 906?! That's not even mentioning the non-canonical 8th Doctor book were he mentions being 1,012!!! Wackiness!!
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assumed he was going to die from that but was able to hold off the regeneration somehow and didn't want to waste time because he thought he was actually really about to die anyway. Plus, if you want to discuss plotholes - how come he was able to carry on for long before actually regenerating? And why was he so upset about regenerating this time? If it was his twelfth body he was leaving maybe, but he seemed like a petty prick with that carry on?
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no intention of ever bringing those asshole actors back to the show. Except Billie Piper - the Beeb should have given her anything to keep her as the companion. I would just love to stick my face between her fun bags. Billie Piper should have been the wench in POTC, not that titless Knightly.Jerry - POTC4 needs breasts a plenty.
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The dr turns up in a different time period every week. The dalek episode is set during either World war 2 or world war one. Here is an interesting question. How did they get freema back. and is she still making law and order UK? if so wouldnt her appearance in Dr who be considered a breach of contract.
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Jan 03, 2010 12:54:46 PM CST
emeraldboy - I don't think that is how the Brits do things.
by famouseccles
if it is, then the Beeb probably made a deal of some sort.
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Jan 03, 2010 1:06:26 PM CST
shit, I just the trailer for the new series. I think I saw that
by famouseccles
dowdy bitch from ER in it. Is that cunt River Song back in it?
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No intentional ignorance here, but the Captain Jack character is only used for a sex joke and to make every girl go gaga. There is no depth or reason for him. I'm just ready for Moffat. Hopefully his era will be better than the hit or miss Davies era. By the way, Matt Smith does have that Adam Ant vibe.
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anything batshit enough in his private life to warrent a movie/mini series?
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Jan 03, 2010 1:52:58 PM CST
just Googled him. Yes, he was sectioned under a Mental Health Ac
by famouseccles
I see this role in Smith's future. (acting Adam Ant I mean, not going nuts)
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My impression from any few quotes that we have from Moffat is that he very much does indeed NOT intend to bring back any significant "companions" or other characters NOT created by himself for his new "Series 1" (as that is what it is being referred to as). I was also disappointed in this finale -- I've been running through my head over the last few days how many different, interesting, startling, provocative scenarios we could have seen for Tennant's final story -- and RTD has ultimately disappointed in a major way. In my opinion, most of Moffat's episodes were significantly more impressive and interesting than RTD
s recent run. This all should have ended at "Journey's End," IMO. The "Library planet" episodes by Moffat -- to me, that thing felt like a feature film! "Weeping Angels," all that stuff. RTD successfully brought back WHO (though I was never a fan of the old stuff), but it's past time for him to depart -- I'm looking forward to seeing what Moffat does with this, although I do have some trepidation about Smith...(would have loved to have seen Tennant stick around for one Moffat-helmed series..) -
Pretty much had written the best episodes in each season
S1)The Empty Child/Doctor Dances 2parter
S2) Girl in the Fireplace
S3)Blink
S4)Silence in the Libray/Forrest of the Dead.
He had the whole classic Who vibe in all of them and the concentrated on plots and charachter devolpment unlike RTD's episodes which were just about that moment/scene regardless of what came before.
That final Starwars cantina scene with all the charachters from past episodes was RTD saying goodbye to his own work because he knows Moffat is not going to use them.
As for Captain Jack a lot is down to the fact Barrowman's whole acting range consists of a grin. James Marsters in his cameo as Captain John Hart really showed him up. -
I really cant stand him. fantastic Singer. though. He has this put on manic persona, which makes me want to put my foot through tv when he is on panel shows. and i dont think he got on really well with davies.
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Our new showrunner is bringing back some of his creations(River Song, the weeping Angels) and, since the BBC must have paid a pretty penny for the use of the Daleks, we will be seeing a lot of of them, too. oh, and, don't forget, Captain Jack Harkness was also one of his, so, maybe..........
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Please ask Billie Piper to wench it up in POTC4. After, 2 and 3, that is about the only way you'll get me to watch it.
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So, I guess that means, our new god of Who is not perfect, And here I am reading all these comments, I got the feeling that he was.
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Yes, I was joking.
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He's close to 1,200 without even counting any expanded media from books. From what we knew of from the Classic Series, he was 200+ when he stole the TARDIS. From S1, the 9th Doctor said he had been traveling in the TARDIS for 900 years now. Add it up. As for his half humanness, RTD was not a fan of it and poked at it with the "meta crisis" bit. Moffat is more open to it; he said The Doctor could be in an interview. It does make sense regardless of how many people moan over it. If Moffat plans to address this, don't expect it on his first series...
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I'd have to agree that it was kind of a mixed bag but the performances really shined! Tennant was great at the end and enjoyed the goodbyes and Bernard Cribbens was wonderful. I also enjoyed the twist that in the end it was him knocking 4 times signaling the end. I also enjoyed the sneak peak of the 2010 season that showed during " Demons ". It really looks like this will be a different but good direction for the Doctor. That's the thing about DW you always start out thinking that the new guy won't be as good as the old one but after a while you wonder why you thought that. Really looking forward to spring! And yes the new companion is easy on the eyes.
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It's been far too long since there's been one of those.
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It was pretty recent--some kind of feed the children type deal.
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Davis invited him. Moffat was forced to write him in. Check it:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Harkness
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Oh, for an edit function.
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Have to find a use for that word somewhere!
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By far the better show - best British primetime sci fi show for the last few years - its commissioning was the best thing to come out of the Who resurgence
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He is perfect!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I knew it!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Jan 03, 2010 7:26:39 PM CST
chronicallydepressedlemming, thanks for the peace of mind!!
by famouseccles
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"I really like Jack's character, even more so since COE, and I was hoping for a nice character moment like the Doctor had with Wilford, but alas apparently Jack is only interesting to RTD if he's sticking his dick in someone."
You're a fucking genius of conciseness - I've been trying to articulate that since the first season of new WHO, and you got it in one post! How does RTD manage to FINALLY treat Jack as a rounded, three-dimensional character with weaknesses and flaws but still brave and ruthless when he needs to be in TW: COE, but turns him into a two-dimensional cock-seeking himbo in TEOT? Jack did actually deserve a better singing off than that - and I'm someone who thought Jacvk wasn't actually all that great a character anyway - but to shoehorn Russell Tovey in there just because RTD fancies him (as if we didn't all figure that out when RTD was trying like crazy to get the Beeb to have Tovey as the Eleventh Doctor, even though he's a painfully one-note actor only capable of playing the same character over and over) is just fucking amateur. Yes, ripping off the STAR WARS cantina scene was fun (and reasonably well done, as WHO rip-offs go) but Jack deserved a much better send-off. Is THAT all Jack means to the Doctor, who has literally gone to the ends of the universe with Jack - get him shagged by a one-note actor from the worst Christmas special yet? No "Thanks for everything"? Fucking terrible writing, and that's NOTHING to do with anyone being straight or gay - it's a fucking lame cop-out, changing what could have been a great character moment between Tennant and Barrowman into a cheap joke (and probably a knowing jab at the so-called homophobic ming-mongs, as RTD is so furious about in THE WRITER'S TALE). Talk about fucking up your last chance...
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immediately post a follow up stating how you are taking the piss. some people might not realise that.
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was worth sitting that show for a few minutes
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was the Dead Ringers crew ripping the piss out of it
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I actually enjoyed the TIME CRASH Children in Need short by Moffat - a bit fanboyish, having Tennant say to Davison "You were MY Doctor!", but otherwise very clever, and cleared up some of the reason why the Titanic came crashing through the TARDIS wall (he left off the dimension sychronisers, which meant the inside was not in sync with the outside, which is why the Titanic could crash through - don't think about it, it's RTD who wrote the Titanic crash in, it's not going to make sense!). And it bodes well for how much better multiple Doctor eps could be in future.
Personally, I'd LOVE to see a Tennant / McGann / Smith match-up, if only to see Tennant emo-moping over his McGann self, the McGann Doctor being the one who trapped the Time Lords AND Daleks in the time-lock at the end of the Time War. And Smith being the active Doctor who kicks them both out of their fucking moping and GETS SHIT DONE FOR ONCE.
God, I can't WAIT for Moffat to get going. This shit needs rebooting, quick - because despite the considerable awesomeness of Tennant, RTD turned that show into a bingo-card ticking joke. Glad he's gone. -
I LIKE PRIMEVAL! Show some respect! At least it wasn't DEMONS...
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ROBIN HOOD was great, but didn't do enough with the concept - and ended too abruptly... MERLIN's just a fucking joke. Great fun, but more historical inaccuracies than even new WHO in places. A black Guinevere? Not that I'm averse to colourblind casting, but certain stories have to stick to certain racial sterotyping - it's like having Sharlton Copley from D9 playing Kunta Kinte in an all-white version of ROOTS. Pretending racism and/or racial division didn't exist years ago is the surest way to ensure that particular brand of unpleasantness comes back round. Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it, as someone smarter than I once said. So, MERLIN loses points for being too PC in its writing and casting, though the principals are good (and I think Angel Coulby is a great actress!), and John Hurts is fucking awesome, even in voice only.
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bunch of whiny wankers. Tennant was incredible from beginning to end. The scenes with Cribbins were amazing. Even the intimate exchanges with John Simms as the Master were brilliant. I was in tears the last half hour. Of course the plot is ridiculous. It's Doctor freakin' Who. But so much fun and great emotional character work. Looking forward to the new show, but I'm looking at as a new show, not a continuation. Doctor Who as we've known it the last five years is over.
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Nice to know someone actually reads my rants. LOL
You know an episode is bad when my 8yo son thought it was stupid, and he loves Doctor Who. He couldn't believe the freefall scene either, and he was lauging outloud at IronMaster, and not in a good way.
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...and keep the silver bikinis. Rrrowl!
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An explosion on the moon causes it to move out of the solar system? At speeds that take it to new civilisations every week? That's too dumb for words.
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"ROBIN HOOD was great, but didn't do enough with the concept - and ended too abruptly... MERLIN's just a fucking joke." - On what planet, brother? I'll grant you Merlin is very flawed but its good clean fun. A likeable cast, and some decent action sequences.
Robin Hood was just shit. You seem to be forgetting some glaring historical inaccuracies in that too (ignoring the obvious point that neither story actually happened). The "racial colourblindness" as you called it started there. Tuck, being the the main one, and the con artist "nun" from season one, along with others. Then there is the woeful dialogue, no talent cast, atrocious fight sequences, Much. I could go on but it hurts to remember. The chick playing Marion was clever enough not to renew her contract, and it ended so suddenly because Armstrong did the same a year later. -
if you look at what you wrote you are insulting the intelligence of children too with the way you phrased that.
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to everyone who answered the questions I had. You guys have about 20 years more Who knowledge than I do, so it's appreciated.
Actually, that does bring up one final question...at least, in the last two regenerations I've seen, he seems to check how many limbs he has. Do Time Lords ever regenerate into something other than humanoid? I saw, on Wikipedia, the Master looking like the tar man from Return of the Living Dead, but otherwise, I couldn't find any info on it. -
I know very little of the series before McCoy's Doctor. Wikipedia says the Doctor's first companion was his granddaughter. Was she an Earthling? Someone claimed earlier that the woman who kept appearing to Wilf (who the Doctor obviously knew) could not be his mother because the mother was human? Is this bullshit or is he half human?
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Not sure how I'm insulting children, let's face it, compared to the average adult children are ignorant, and in some cases flat out dumb.
I don't expect my son to pick apart every frame of every episode like we all do, he just enjoys being along for the ride. But in this case the stupidity of the episode was too much for even his young mind.
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understand. I guess that's just how your dad treated you, so you do it to. What a fucking world???
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Not much is known about The Doctor's parentage. It is disputed. The 3rd Doctor in one case didn't argue with being called a human. The 3rd Doctor also referred to Earth as "home" when he was near death. Other Doctors, like the 4th, argued strongly against. Yet in each case, The Doctor is oddly fond of the Earth and seems to protect it from alien invasion. Some theories have it that some humans evolve into Gallifreyans who then become Time Lords and that Time Lord history obscures this. But that also falls into the argument about whether the Time Lords are from the distant future. Many believe they are from the distant past. The 7th Doctor spoke against species mixing in "Delta and the Bannerman" and the inference was that he knew a little on the subject personally. The 8th Doctor in the TVM declared that he was "half human on my mother's side". That pissed off a lot of fandom, enough so that former writer Marc Platt wrong that gaudawful book "Lungbarrow" which explained that Time Lords are created in "Looms" and that The Doctor was this bloke called "The Other" who was the third founding member of Time Lord society who was half human and threw himself into the Looms to escape Rassilon's wrath and was then reincarnated as The Doctor millions of years later. Some people claim that Susan was not The Doctor's grand daughter but that she was human; others claim she was just Gallifreyan and not an actual Time Lord/Lady. The people that moan about The Doctor being half human think its crap because Fox and Phil Segal thought it would be great to make him as such and similar to Spock for the American audience. Yet these same fucktards seem to give RTD a passing grade in trying to make The Doctor into Kal-El. Although I'm American, thanks to PBS, I grew up watching the Classic Series and I always thought he was half human and was hiding it. It makes sense. Other Time Lords don't act like him. He's the one that cares about Earth and righting wrongs in the universe. He seems to be the only Time Lord that has problems with regenerating. And up until Moffat's explanation in "Time Crash", despite regeneration, his eyes often needed glasses which seemed to jive with the TVM explanation that he has human retinas. So some of us fans fully embrace the half human aspect even if most of his original human DNA was rewritten after his first regeneration. But yes, Susan was The Doctor's first companion. She was his grand daughter and they were on the run from their own people. He locked her out of the TARDIS in one adventure when it became obvious that she was falling in love with a human [David?] who battled the Daleks in like 2200 AD. Funny, if he's not part human that he didn't seem to have a problem with his Time Lady grand daughter shacking up with a mortal human man.
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None of The Doctors in the Classic Series ever worried about regenerating into anything but a humanoid form. This is a joke that NewWho has added to the equation. It seems to reference Romana's regeneration - written by Douglas Adams back in the day - where Romana decided to regenerate [because she was bored with her look] and seemed to try on different bodies. At one point, she was a midget and blue before deciding upon the shape of the current wife of Richard Dawkins (and formerly Tom Baker's wife). From this single instance, NewWho writers have also added that the regeneration cycle last several hours, which was why the 10th Doctor could regrow his severed hand from "The Christmas Invasion". As for how The Master looked from what you referenced, the guy burnt through all of his 13 Time Lord lives. He was emaciated and was trying to cheat death. He tried to open the Eye of Harmony in "The Deadly Assassin" to gain new power to regenerate. When that failed, he assumed the powers of the Keeper of Traken (episode of the same name) which allowed him to steal the humanoid body of Trakenite Tremas - father of Princess Nyssa, not the later Ewok - who was portrayed by Anthony Ainley for the rest of the Classic Series. In "The Five Doctors", the Time Lord High Council offered him a new regenerative cycle if he could aide The Doctor through Rassilon's traps in the Death Zone. He later caught the Cheetah Virus as seen in "Survival" which gave him cat like eyes and fangs. In the TVM, that body - or possibly of a prior Master - was executed by the Daleks. When the 7th Doctor was transporting his remains back to Gallifrey, he broke free in this shape shifting snake like goo which resembled Jason's body hopping creature in "Jason Goes to Hell" to body hop into the Bruce the EMT's human body [Eric Roberts] and tried to steal the remaining regenerations of the 8th Doctor via the TARDIS's direct link to the Eye of Harmony. He got sucked into it and was killed. Then in NewWho, the Time Lords resurrected him and apparently gave him a new regenerative cycle yet he still screwed that up and he's back to being physically screwed up which has been his motif since the late 70s now. Prior to NewWho, most Time Lords accepted their death after their 13th life and their consciousnesses lived on inside The Matrix, the Time Lord repository of all their knowledge and experiences. Hope that helps!
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Seriously, WTF are you even talking about? Is there some reason you're trying to insult me and my parenting?
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lynxpro answered your question about the half human aspect of the Doctor. It was something that never bothered me and it goes a long way to explain the Doctor's fasination with Earth (beyond budget restrictions of the show at least!). It was that and the kiss in the TVM that caused the most fuss within fandom... I guess the kiss is a moot point now!
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to be a Frankenstein Heath Ledger.
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was always going to be a hard act to follow. Matt Smith has a vibe about him which seems to be one part, adam ant, one part paul jones, deceased blues singer and one time front man for Manfredd Manns Earth band and noted actor. and there is someone else he reminds me of and I cant recall. Nicholas Farrell. in fact you check out imdb, you will see a phot of Farrell. or Micheal Maloney, the Shakespearean actor who starred in Branaghs Hamlet.
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the comedic Celloist Jim Taverne and record breaking comedian and actor Tim Vine.
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I am laughing at work just thinking how boring that would have been. Exterminate....Exterminate!
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Jan 04, 2010 8:06:24 AM CST
On the subject of The Daleks Executing The Master in the 1996 Do
by axcel1
Anthony Ainley did film an extended scene for that. It was cut from the final version, but, some copies of the movie include that scene.
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Great show - stand by my comment, watched the full run over Christmas. Better paced, better plotted, good cast, great effects and better monsters. a bit of a "stargatey" feel it. Plus S Clubs in her pants every ep
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I read that Moffet says DW is a " Kids " show in reference to what RTD has done with it. I'm hoping he doesn't turn it into something silly and too immature. They should go for the 18 to 50 bracket. That way it appeals to young adults and people who remember it from the good old days.
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Jan 04, 2010 8:55:10 AM CST
lynxpro, I love it if some TV channel showed these from the very
by famouseccles
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Jan 04, 2010 8:56:28 AM CST
Nimble, are you serious about SClub being in her knickers
by famouseccles
more than once? Because I'd give that show a second chance if so, but hunt you down if your taking the piss.
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I hope the mother of your children is the exact opposite of you. That should balance it out. Their therapists should easily be able to help with the rest of it when they are older.
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and a vest with pointy nips ! Gotta have something for the dads ! LOL
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can be found here :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n25gBS2y5qY
That movie had many awful things about it. Eric Roberts, Daleks holding a trial, ret-conning the eye of harmony, etc...
But it had some worthwhile things too. Paul McGann is excellent. Sylvester McCoy does him the honor of appearing for the sake of the regeneration. (As opposed to the way Colin Baker failed to be available for McCoy.)
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Just wondering.
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There's a good movie in that script somewhere, but I personally found the whole thing pretty god awful.
Here's a couple of things that bug me from it, 1. the actress playing the companion is horrible and they give her some of the worst dialogue in history, and 2. the Doctor steals a major component of the magic TARDIS repairing clock and then just a few scenes later the clock still works.
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was enough for me to watch the paul McGann.
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Jan 04, 2010 12:41:31 PM CST
spud mcspud: Here's a multi-Doctor match-up for you...
by royston lodge
Smith - McCoy - Ecclestone
Smith: The Young Whippersnapper
McCoy: The Wacky Old Coot
Ecclestone: The Grumpy Badass Who's One Bad Joke Away From Breaking Your Neck With His Bare Hands
Imagine the carnage!
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There's an episode of Torchwood where there's this old guy that looks a bit like Hartnell, probably more like Cushing. I was hoping they'd do something with him, it would be interesting to see a crossover with Doc#1.
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I'm not being a cunt with you about this. I merely pointing out what kind of a prick you are. The fact that you see nothing wrong with yourself is your problem, I'm just trying to help. Good luck, I'm off to the flicks.
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hated working with Hartnell. The wig made him look older then he was. When he finished on the last day of dr who. he left without uttering a single word and simply vanished off the face of the earth. To this nobody really knows what happened to him. When they were auditioning for the role Hartnell appeared out of nowhere. but he didnt talk to any of the cast member and kept to himself.
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...enlighten all of us. Exactly how am I prick for believing that children are both ignorant and dumb? Be sure and include a lot of unicorns and rainbows in your make-believe world of genius children who should be revered as the little gods and goddesses they clearly are.
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So Hartnell himself was an unlikable bastard? LOL But why did they write the character as such?
I watched an episode last night where he was ready to toss the two teachers out of the TARDIS into space out of suspicion of sabotage when it turned out a button didn't pop up on the controls from a bad spring. A full hour of death threats from the old coot and it all boiled down to a 12 cent piece of hardware. LMAO What a bastard! -
"BBC Wales?!"
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Kids are pretty smelly.
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Heres a question for you trivia buffs-in which three 60s movies(theatrically released,not tv movies)did Dr Who appear?
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Dr. Who and the Daleks (1965)
Daleks' Invasion Earth: 2150 A.D.(1966)
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Are you the man behind the cakes ?
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Bits were filmed in my dads old work shop - a bloke hanged himself in the down stairs loo two weeks after filming
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Now why couldn't we have seen her every week in a vest and pants (Knickers not trousers - bloody colonials !)
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Also better due to the lack of constant gay shit thats bombarded through who. And no Wales. To Americans - Wales is famous only for inbreds who shag sheep and nuclear power plants
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;-) a jape within a jape
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Jan 04, 2010 3:16:28 PM CST
Identity of "The Woman" according to Daily Telegraph and Daily M
by royston lodge
Daily Telegraph: http://tinyurl.com/ct3dw2
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At least, not until you just mentioned it. Now the good name of Wales will be forever tainted by your characterization of nuclear-powered bestiality. I hope you're proud of yourself.
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You should read the comments on this ep on the SFX magainzine website (UK) - I'm not kidding, grown adults are arguing for the right NOT to be called retards for watching a finale where everything that happened at the end was a Deus Ex Machina that was in no way referred to in inferred at all at any time in the previous programme. They probably think RTD is a brave writer who disregards the conventions of scriptwriting with arrogance and disdain, when in reality he's a sub-Lucas fucking moron who can't even remember his own rules from earlier on in the show HE'S been running for the last five years!
As far as the kids show thing - Moffat wrote PRESS GANG at the beginning of his career. What was interesting was that, even at the time (I was a teen when PRESS GANE aired) it was obviously a very mature series for kids that didn't talk down to them and was very well written in comparison to much kids drama that was around back then. Contrast this with RTD's idea of a "kids show", which basically means when he gets some of his own canon wrong, or ignores what has gone before in his own episodes even if it doesn't make any fucking sense whatsoever, he can just go "Oh, it's only for kids" and wash his hands of his own ineptitude. Which indicates that he thinks that kids are stupid, can't spot plot holes as obvious as the shitfest that concluded THE END OF TIME, and that he doesn't have a responsibility to write challenging stuff that treats kids as mature individuals that are intelligent and want to be informed as well as entertained. In short, Moffat wants to entertain his kids audience; RTD wants to belittle, talk down to and basically insult his. Which is why the next series of WHO will be 100% better, and a good 80% of the posters on the SFX forums are immature twats with no functioning intelligence whatsoever... -
When I was 14 I spent a month driving around England with my mom (she's originally from Liverpool). We spent a couple of days hanging out with some cousins, one of whom was a lad of about 10 or 11.
When he found out that I was a Doctor Who fan he was astounted.
"But, that's a KIDS SHOW!"
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...and the new series.
Introduce a new villain whose name is Deus Ex Machina.
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Jan 04, 2010 4:34:39 PM CST
one of the reasons why the british screwed up northern irealnd.
by emeraldboy
was they thought it was in wales. no really...
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Hasn't Pixar proven over and over again that children's entertainment can be both "for kids" and also well written?
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You have a rare gift for conciseness. I have ranted about this for AGES, and you nail it in one sentence!
Russell T Davies will NEVER, as long as he has a hole in his arse, write a script fit to lick the boots of UP. I wept during CARS when Sally was telling Lightning McQueen how great life was in Radiator Springs before the insterstate was built and ruined their home. I absolutely balled my eyes out at UP - the 3-D glasses looked like I'd been swimming in them. And yet, my nephews and niece adore everything Pixar have done - and will continue to do so, as they grow older, and as life gives them the experience to understand every level (and there are MANY) of nuance in each carefully crafted movie.
Compare that to the frankly fucking stupid chain of events that got the Time Lords (and the fucking planet Gallifrey - FOR FUCK'S SAKE!) out of the time-lock the Doctor put them in. Truly, a magnificent maelstrom of suck. RTD is the Simon Cowel of the BBC - he can spray a turd gold, he can sel it back to the masses who will ooh and aah over it, but in the end, a turd is a turd, and that will be all he's capable of producing as long as he writes for the SF genre. He should stick to what he's good at - soap opera style mini-series. Because his SF stuff SUCKS ASS... -
That show is really bad and stinks of RTD. If Moffat is smart, he will work with old Who canon and have more science fiction. Stay away from the paper thin Capt. Jack. He just winks, that's his one thing. I swear fangirls tried to screw up Who with their unflinching love of Jack and Ianto. If they use Jack make him more than a guy that fucks people.
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I can't wait for April to get here!!!!!! 3 months, and, the lovefest begins on this site!!!!!!!!!!!!! 14 PERFECT Doctor Who episodes in 2010!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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tasty treats which I now have a longing for and not one hope of finding one within two thousand miles. Thanks a lot brother.
As to to Primeval's having SClub chick and no gay agenda is indeed powerful stuff in its favour. -
confined to the inbreds and nuke-powered mutants. It's a national past-time.
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The terrible thing is, we got a glimpse of how interesting a character Jack COULD have been in TORCHWOOD: CHILDREN OF EARTH. Dark as all hell... and then back to the 2-D fucktoy he is at the end of THE END OF TIME. The final, cruel irony? RTD wrote most of CHILDREN OF EARTH... He gave this character some proper characterisation (finally!) then snatched it from him in his very last (we hope) onscreen WHO appearance, for the sake of a "SQUEE!!! I LOVE RUSSELL TOVEY!!!" RTD shitfest of a scene.
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or later even you will realise what asshole you are. Then you'll claim you were only being sarcastic, but you and I will both know that is a lie.
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Any truth to the rumour that two sheeps tethered to a lamp-post in Wales is commonly referred to as a leisure centre??
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Fucking no editing button on this goddamn 1996 HTML site...
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Hopefully we can get more fun historical series. The preview had what appeared to be vampires and I think 1600 apparel. On another note, Squee should be banished from scifi/fantasy. You have good taste though spud mcspud.
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What exactly is so objectionable about anything I've said? Please use small words as I have a hard time understanding people with your high caliber of intelligence.
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There were several episodes I really enjoyed actually. The village full of murderers springs to mind. Genuinely creepy/scary with an unexpected outcome.
I thought COE was really good though, easily better than most of Davies' Who episodes. The only thing that bugged me about COE is the super lame Martha/Doctor thing.
And you're exactly right spud, Jack became a lot more interesting after COE. COE also shows that Torchwood's gay content can be a natural part of the story rather than shoehorned in for RTD to giggle about. -
they are required by law and free to all who have need, like in New Zealand truck drivers get free coffee to help them stay alert.
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genuinely don't know what shit you've been spouting. Does your browser have a "find" function? If so, type Hairy Nutsack in it and read over all your posts. Then get back to me. Cheers.
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...what I've said, and I'll stand by all of it, especially the part about you being a cunt, which you prove everytime you post without backing up any of your unfounded accusations.
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To paraphrase the Chairman, "Lucas does it his way". Love him or hate him, it's all on his shoulders. I happen to love Star Wars and Indy. Guess what, the man helped to take down the studio system. Instead of that whiny bitch Joss Whedon, Lucas tells studios what to do. I digress. Anyway, RTD took Doctor Who and twisted it to just get his jollies. He didn't invent the show, he changed it for his own ends. Wanted a wank toy, he put in Capt. Jack. He placed crap into it. I can blame RTD for all of the new Who faults. Lucas does what he wants with his creation, I applaus that. RTD create something new.
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accusations" ?
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How about my children needing therapy because...I don't even know why you said that. In fact I have no fucking clue why you even started this bullshit with me.
Since you're obviously not man enough to defend your position I stand by my assertion that you are in fact not a man but a cunt.
Now feel free to substantiate your claptrap or shut the fuck up already. I'll have my Webster's Dictionary handy just in case you need me to look up substantiate for you. -
therapy, I said they "will"? I have no need to defend my position nor did I start this "bullshit" - you started it and you are the one who said it. See , you are not even paying attention. Plus, I never said I was a "man". Apparently you're a misogynist too. BTW, when this talkback starts to fade we'll have to agree on which other other talkback we can continue this on (just in case you still haven't figured yourself out).
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until tomorrow. Let me know which talkback I can find you in. Cheers.
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RTD displayed his ability to write coherent characters, great build up, and sly dialogue.The cast was also great - Cribbins and Tennant were both brilliant, Tennant specifically displaying his huge range and ability to buy into any scene, no matter how outlandish. Plus extra points for Timothy Dalton and John Simm.However, Davies also showed no understanding of pacing or plot, nor how to direct or manage an action scene convincingly. (Seriously? Surviving a three story fall through glass? Davison regenerated after much less of a fall than that.).
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You never know how or why people take offense to some things. Until I called she-thing a cunt I don't think I said anything objectionable, and at that point it had it coming.
This flame war never even got fun, it's like yelling at a parrot. You hear words, but the thing isn't making much sense. Cheers indeed! -
So now I'm an "it". How wonderful. That Darkocity is "sticking up" for you, Nutsack, because it (am I allowed say that too) saw "nothing out of order" says quite a bit about Darkocity and doesn't really help - just shows that Darkocity either didn't actually read any of the posts or is just another prick like you so is naturally not going to see anything wrong with what you typed.
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...except you, you goddam nitwit. All you are is a self-righteous moron who finds fault in others when no other sane person would. The worst part is you refuse to back up your sad proclamations as if they are self evident and continue to sit there on your pedestal of holiness looking down upon the rest of the world.
So for the last time, back up your position with something other than character attacks. Show me the error of my ways because obviously I cannot see them for myself. Quote the parts of my posts verbatim and show me exactly where I have erred oh mighty oracle of virtue. But you won't because you don't have a leg to stand on. You have nothing of value to say, you're opinions are worthless, and you have shown yourself to be the petty, insufferable bitch that you obviously are. -
Jan 04, 2010 8:54:11 PM CST
Darkocity, look through the previous posts. It's all there.
by famouseccles
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egotistical isn't it. In actual fact no-one, bar Darkocity, has paid any attention to this item. As to "finding faults in others" - no just you.
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Ainley did not film an extended clip for the TVM. What you are referring to is a full motion video clip from the multimedia game "Destiny of The Doctors" which was released on CD-Rom back in the day. Gordon Tipple was the stand-in Master in the TVM that was executed in the first scene of the flick. There's an alternate voiceover he did which was later replaced by McGann's at the beginning.
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Jan 04, 2010 9:19:51 PM CST
Still awake. Darkocity do you really not see anything wrong with
by famouseccles
Nutsacks earlier comments?? Are you taking the piss or what??
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Just curious. Can you give me an example of how RTD talks down to kids?
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RTD is one dimensional and shallow as a writer. I posit that he has done more to undermine the gay community than to help it. The proof is the the facile portrayal of the gay identity on TV. RTD would have us believe that all gays are flamboyant ones.... I won't even get started on RTD utter lack of understanding about the Time Lords, Daleks, or any of Who lore. If you took the Doctor Who IP away from the stories he tells we are left with shit....
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Okay, so I am obviously hetero, but what the hell is appealing about Russell Tovey for the gay viewers? My gawd, those ears if his would keep any American actor off screen permanently outside a movie like *Bubble Boy* or HBO's *Carnival*. Maybe because he's so goofy looking RTD thinks he can shag him or something. Another thing I found annoying about RTD was an interview he did where he said he was so excited about the finale that he'd probably only have that much fun and excitement if he partied with 20 naked men. Now how many straight male producers on either side of the Pond could say the same about women without some feminazis shoving their tampons in sideways and demanding a boycott against the studio in the name of womanhood?
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When BBC America was first promoting *Torchwood*, in their commercials touting the show, the voiceover announces "FROM THE CREATORS OF DOCTOR WHO...TORCHWOOD." I thought to myself, what the fuck are those retarded chimps at BBC America smoking? The estates of Verity Lambert and Sydney Newman should've sued their asses over that.
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How about the Doctor freefalling onto marble from a spaceship?
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... you guys should join in the discussions over at doctorwhoforum.com. There's some lively debate over there and before he became showrunner, Steven Moffat used to participate (back when it was Outpost Gallifrey).
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Torchwood and RTD just undermines gay and lesbian understanding. RTD treats gay people as a sort of fun "pet" that we all need and want and not three dimensional people.
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bye Russell - don't let the door hit your arse on the way out
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I stand correctted. I googled the movie after my post and found out that scene filmed for the CD-Rom game was a tie-in for the movie. Thank you for the info.
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Matt Smith is no ugger either, seriously what's with all the teeny time hate on a dude's looks? do you want to bed him? no well then...
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Fuck, Smashing! THAT'S your idea of gorgeous??
Channelling my non-hetero side for a moment, I can see why people of both sexes find John Barrowman dishy - the whole square-jawed American hero thing, he's a good-looking guy. In a geeky kind of way, so's David Tennant. But Russell Tovey? He looks like a Toby Jug! (It's a British thing - Google it). Ears like nothing you've ever seen!
Jesus. Russell Tovey, gorgeous? Just when I thought I'd heard it all. It takes all sorts, Smashing, but were I ever to play for the other team, chances are we'd not be going after the same kind of guy :D -
Now you got me channelling my non-hetero side!
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Barrowman is a handsome dude but he is too twink-tastic for me, Tovey is a real looking lad, not model perfect but with bags of facial character, and check out his weird fingers, there like tree branches, all weird and sexy looking, plus large extremities often equal welcome trouser surprises.
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In fact anyone who called MS a pig should show there faces now so I can judge you, I will go first. http://tinyurl.com/yzz4vd5
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LMFAO! Thanks Smashing, I needed a good laugh!
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Hairy what is that? it looks like Mika was in The Fly teleporter.
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Could we get back to the RTD hating? I realise this talkback is getting old, but, now, hetero-guys are debating weither RUSSELL TOVEY IS GORGEOUS or not? Here, I'm change it a little, how do we know that the note the Doctor passed to Jack was so he could get his swag-on? (Maybe the Doctor thought Jack needed a friend?) Also, The Cantina scene, Maybe RTD created it so he could say goodbye to all the aliens he help creat on the show?
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On the subject of RUSSELL TOVEY, someone here ask your wife, girlfriend, mother, sister, or whoever weither he's hot or not.
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Let's go back to bitching about RTD! That's always good fun.
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Half the gay population of the East Midlands would crucify me for the horrors I've wrought upon the reputation of RTD!!
The other half would agree with me, because they have taste ;D
Besides, I look like a cross between Touche Turtle and a penis with hair. I have no discernible jaw, bags under my eyes that would rival Emperor Palpatine - but I do have spectacular eyes and fantastic flowing hair which I MUST get round to growing, 80s hair-metal style.
I'll dig out a pic somewhere. I do have one somewhere when I played an Ugly Sister in local panto, and I think I was teh hotness back in the 90s in drag... -
...But Smashing, you're WAY better looking than Russell Tovey.
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I may never be able to get that piece of video out of my head again. Horrifying. You are a man in great need of help ;D
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Jan 05, 2010 1:38:11 PM CST
There's too much channelling of non-hetero sides in this TB
by isleptwithkathybatesandallthatigotwasthi
And I want a cheese sandwich but don't have any cheese.Someone better go to the shops and get me some cheese before i get angry.
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Go watch a Colin Baker-era Doctor Who episode!
Rimshot! -
about vincent Van gogh.
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However, i got some cheese myself. Shame no-one got off their fat asses to get it for me. *Sigh*
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Bring back Paul McGann in a 2 or 3 parter that would be awesome!
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Well maybe like is too strong a word. LMAO
Here's a picture of me at DragonCon 2008 next to a familiar face - http://tinyurl.com/b3tsjz -
...and falling that far and not dying is insulting to children? If you're worried about them learning about reality, why are they watching a fantasy show?
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It's insulting to children because rather than writing an intelligent series where fantastical things happen that make sense AND obey the rules of the Whoniverse as they have been set out, RTD has created a series where so many things happen that haven't been set up in the episode, haven't been mentioned before, have been mentioned but were meant to do something ENTIRELY different, or suddenly become other plot devices with no rational explanation whatsoever.
Lemme break it down: a good episode of Scooby Doo would have the gang investigate a creepy house. They get scared by a ghost. Velma finds a clue. Scooby and Shaggy get separated, ghost appears, hijinks ensue. Various people are met by Velma, Fred and Daphne - all COULD be the perpetrator, all have motives for keeping the house haunted / empty / whatever. All but one are red herrings. Fred, Daphne and Velma all bump into Shaggy and Scoob, and Velma announces she knows who did it. They call the police, catch the ghost, unmask him - Velma's right as usual - and Shaggy and Scooby eat a huge snack. The end.
The same Scooby-Doo ep, as written by Russell T Davies: The gang investigate a creepy house. They get scared by a ghost. Which makes a pass at Shaggy. And it's male. Velma finds a clue. Velma announces that she is an atheist, and that if God is not dead, then He is a cunt. Then mentions the time she had a wet dream about Daphne. Scooby and Shaggy get separated, ghost appears, hijinks ensue. Shaggy suddenly exhibits powers he never had before, which vanish as suddenly as they appear. Fred has a very dramatic scene where he describes the terrible loneliness of being an investigator. Murray Gold's score breaks your fucking heart. Everyone cries. Various people are met by Velma, Fred and Daphne - all COULD be the perpetrator, all have motives for keeping the house haunted / empty / whatever. All but one are red herrings. All but one are gay, bi, or whatever - anything non-hetero. Fred, Daphne and Velma all bump into Shaggy and Scoob, and Velma announces she knows who did it. Suddenly, Velma grabs hold of a lever, which suddenly turns the house into a GIANT FUCKING SPACESHIP. Scooby transforms into his true self - a twelve-foot tall glowing bio-techno ghost robot, who will sacrifice himself to catch the ghost. No-one questions ANYTHING in this episode, EVER. They call the police, Techno-Bio-Robot-Scooby catches the ghost, unmasks him - Velma's right as usual, especially about Daphne being a lesbian - and Shaggy and Scooby eat a huge snack. EVERYBODY FLIRTS WITH EVERYBODY. (If this is SCOOBYWOOD, EVERYBODY FUCKS. And smokes. And swears a lot.) And then the ship explodes. For no apparent reason. Scooby loses his powers, becomes a normal dog again. Fred is still crying about the unbearable lightness of being, and the unbearable heaviness of an RTD script. The end.
THAT'S the difference between what a decently written DR WHO script would be, and a RTD written DR WHO script. For further reference, watch BLINK, FATHER'S DAY, HUMAN NATURE and FAMILY OF BLOOD back to back. That's the control sample - the "good" episodes. Now watch PARTING OF THE WAYS, LAST OF THE TIME LORDS, JOURNEY'S END and THE END OF TIME (both) back-to-back. That is the shit sample, the "shit" episodes. Compare, and discuss. -
Not to mention the copious amounts of Deus Ex Machinas that keep appearing in RTD finales. He obviously thinks he's being witty and inventive and all outside-the-box; actually, a Deus Ex Machina is usually one of the laziest things any writer can fall back on. RTD has no idea how to end ANYTHING without a minimum of one DExM - usually two, three or more. And NONE OF THEM MAKES ANY SENSE. Because he cannot write worth a shit in the SF genre.
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It's his writing of SF that's lacking. The man is clearly a gifted writer when he's dealing with character moments such as the cafe scene between Wilford and Doc. As soon as he dares delve into technobabble and the like all he's doing is babbling.
Have people forgotten about Doctor Dobby magically transforming into Doctor JediWizard who can fly, use telekinesis, and shoot fireballs out of his arse? How can anyone not be insulted by that claptrap? It's the very definition of Deus Ex Machina. And talk about lazy, the ONLY possible outcome of that particular storyline was to hit the reset button. -
He's great with characters- particularly characters facing some great apocalyptic catastrophe, which probably says he sees the world from a very cynical standpoint - but his writing of characters, his kitchen sink moments, are VERY strong - which is why it's such a joy to see Rose and her family, or Donna's family (got a bit fed up of Sylvia, though). But if he can't write the SF bits that are the backbone of the narrative - and character moments are only there to provide character depth in SF, the main narrative usually involves some SF MacGuffin and lots of SF mythos in the background - then why bother writing it? Same problem with THE SECOND COMING - the character stuff was just fantastic, but his understanding of theology was so fucking clueless it was laughable. Which is why the ending to THE SECOND COMING was so great AND shit at the same time - it packed a massive emotional wallop, but made no sense according to the rules of the world it had set itself (how could God deciding to destroy Himself happen whilst leaving Creation still functioning without him? If, as theology has it, Creation was only brought into existence by the mind of God, then the absence of that mind would end Creation, wouldn't it? NOT IN THAT PROGRAM, NO!). so I hated and thoroughly enjoyed that program in equal measure - mainly for its boldness and eventual lapse into stupidity at the end, not for its stand against religion. And THAT is the story of RTD's SF writing in a nutshell - he can't be arsed to figure out the SF bits, so he writes technobabble so laughably stupid, it insults your intelligence even as you're marvelling at the spot-on character moments. Now Moffat can do BOTH - which is why I'm so looking forward to Matt Smith's season, and why RTD should fucking stop writing SF FOREVER. Because his SF technobabble is so insultingly poor, he may as well just not bother at all...
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Jan 05, 2010 4:56:06 PM CST
That's why I say the next series should have a villain named...
by royston lodge
... Deux Ex Machina.
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Oh noes, God existing is such a pain for mankind because it means we are also exposed to evil. If only a British chick with a beak would kill God by poisoning him with her cooking then we will all live meaningful lives in peace... until an asteroid smashes into the Earth as punishment for our hubris. But I digress. All that story of his told me was it was his gay wish fulfillment. That every gay man could live free to be who they are as long as their parent(s) die first. That whole over rated claptrap is only saved by Eccleston's acting which is not much different from any other role Eccleston plays his shoutie self in. He's great at yelling at people.
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What if instead of a nuclear explosion it was some accident involving going through wormholes/hyperspace or some shit? There are other ways.
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The Doctor's mother and father???
REALLY?
FUCK THAT!
I was thinking maybe the woman was Romana or Flavia - Lady Presidents - esp with Romana being the last one, who prepared for the Time War...? The other one.. dunno..
Speaking of Companions, maybe it was just my age at the time, but BEST companion - would have to agree with Leela. Absolutely. No question. Not even close.
oh yeah those old Doctor Who shows were very much kids shows AND dark as fuck - scared the shit outta me as a kid! I also hope SM brings a darker edge to the show - which can totally be achieved while still keeping it a "kids" show
-a "Kids" show which the BBC was very surprised to discover was watched by a lot of dads, IIRC? In fact, I think it was around the time Leela was the Companion - but I digress... -
Tell me you've read this:
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was anyone else hoping Cpn Bumjack would try to pay for his astronomical drinks tab with...
an American Express card?
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...was fraking genius spud. So amazingly true.
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Nope, still shit as a concept.
Even basic things like gravity, disappeared when that show was doing its thing. If a body the size of the moon, gets into a solar system and close to a habitable planet, it plays havoc with that planets orbit, etc... But not in Space 1999, no.
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Jan 06, 2010 3:55:57 AM CST
In a recent poll people in the uk were asked who would they
by emeraldboy
liked to see play dr who and the actor that uk viewers chose to play dr who instead of matt smith. Ewan McGregor.
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but I am still suprised that there is no obit for Micheal Dwyer. The legendary critic of the irish times and the founder of the dublin international film festival.
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Love Charlie Brooker - he reminds me of a comedy version of the guy from NETWORK minutes before he finishes ranting and shoots himself in the head. He always seems to be on the verge of a mental breakdown due to the utter inanity of the world around him, something I empathise with more than anything else.
I also do remember reading this when TORCHWOOD first came out - and realised that when they said they were making an "adult" spin-off of DOCTOR WHO, that when I thought this meant dark-as-hell plots, truly frightening monsters, and dealing with moral conundrums way too scary to be on WHO, they were thinking of crossing SKINS with THE X-FILES. THE X-FUCKS, if you will. I think the former would have been waaaaaaaay better than the latter. -
Would be a perfect series for RTD to rewrite, since it shows as much respect for intelligent technobabble and writing a coherent mythos as RTD did when he revamped DOCTOR WHO.
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cares about movies, TV, etc. That man will be missed and there is no one to take his place - hope I'm wrong. Did he have a protege? That prick from the Guide doesn't know his arse from his elbow and Fanning still thinks he has a movie review show? Bring back Tara Loughery-Grant - apart from being fuckable she did actual know what she was talking about.
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Donald Clarke and hugh linehan. the son of the acting legend Roseleen Linehan. Hugh is the editor of Irish times online. Dwyers legacy will be that during a time of catholic church control he managed to build up on a small island a film festival that stood proudly among other film festivals around the world. Tara works for RTE. and is still fuckable. Fannning is a prick of the worst kind. he said that mark kermode didnt know what he was talking about when kermode brought up a freudian angle in alien. Fanning then said Kermode was full of shit. because all alien was a monster in space movie. Fanning is a hypocrit. Despite starting on a pirate radio station. fanning message is very blunt, "if you work in a pirate radio station and it doesnt work..out dont come crying to me". bastard.
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I thought the falling from the sky light was stupid . I'm in agreement there. However it was stupid for everyone. Not just kids.
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Afternoon Show, and those lesbian birds' tongues were gagging for a lick of her fanny. As was I. I wouldn't working in RTE against anyone. People have to eat.
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Jan 06, 2010 8:44:29 AM CST
Hopefully Dwyer's two proteges will create two more, etc.
by famouseccles
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...but it's his storytelling technique. He privileges agenda and character over mythology. Yes, everything is Deus Ex Machina, but that's like going to a Carolina Panthers game and saying, "Their play calling is insulting to intelligence. All they do is run the ball." Well, yeah, and that's why they're not a playoff team. Well, yeah, Davies used Deus Ex Machina, and that's why he's not the best writer ever.
Deus Ex Machina is not a new writing development either. Besides the past, have you paid attention to the fantasy genre lately? Harry Potter, Twilight, it's all Deus Ex Machina. Is it lazy writing? Sometimes, but let's not forgot an entire culture of theater was built around Deus Ex Machina. Perhaps rather than insulting the choice, it would be more fruitful to ask why the technique is seeing a resurgence in popularity.
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It was about silver bikinis, space sluts, sci-fi snatch, and moon melons.
How is that not a great concept?!?!
Heh heh heh heh . . .
http://tinyurl.com/ybpy9te
http://tinyurl.com/ydmudvc
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Jan 06, 2010 9:46:43 AM CST
Jayemel: Complaining about Deus Ex Machina isn't new either.
by royston lodge
Aristotle spent quite a bit of time complaining about how Greek playwrights used Deus Ex Machina as a crutch.
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Whoa wasn't expecting such handsomeness, are you free dude?
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That fuckin' hack.
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Royston. ;)
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Heh heh heh . . .
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Wife, kids, had a barn burning fight with Eccles over that topic earlier in the thread if you recall.
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"silver bikinis, space sluts, sci-fi snatch, and moon melons"
Fine, then make an x-rated parody and we'll watch that instead. I want Sci in my Sci-Fi.
But as I recall, no one was complaining about the poor science in "Backside to the Future". We were watching Erica Boyer meet the man who would be her daddy, and do nasty things to him.
And in Hustlers recent Star Trek XXX, we saw space bikinis, space sluts, sci-fi snatch, and moon melons, in a movie that was a more loving tribute to the original Star Trek, than anything else produced last year. -
...you don't get the unintentional hilarity of watching actors who think they're involved in something legitimate!
I think you underestimate the worth of unintentional hilarity.
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Come on fellas, it was fantastic for its time, as a kid I thought it was amazing. I didn't understand concepts like the gravitational pull of the Moon, but I liked the people and I loved the ships.
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That's kinda proof that it shouldn't be remade. A new show wouldn't be able to pull off the aesthetic. It would end up like the terrible V remake.
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...if for the next series they get Aphex Twin to do the theme tune.
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... Doctor Who theme with a jungle break beat?
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is tara brady from hot press.
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male, female, fag or whatever - what happened to boyfriend and girlfriend?
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At least that's how it looked!
Like Kirk having the allergic reaction in Star Trek!
Bernard Cribbins was brilliant, he deserves awards.
Timothy Dalton ruled also, even if it made no sense that he was Rassilon.
I thought David Tennant was marvellous, even though RTD had that idiotic jump from the spaceship which defied all sense of logic. (even for a sci-fi show)
The regen ending was great, a nice "reward" for 10 - but I don't get the Captain Jack bit at all, other than the fanwankery of showing all the monsters again (gotta justify their cost lol) and the shit Being Human werewolf for no reason (other than RTD wants to blow him).
Is he there to take Jack back to Earth or what?? MADE NO SENSE!!
Still, DT made it all ok by being great - his last line was echoed all round the UK. We didn't want him to go either.
He should have gone a year under Grand Moff. -
Haters always repeat the same sad sack tripe, I imagine him looking like Ted from Scrubs, shame your married, if she isn't floating your boat or if you ever want to experiment, and what good nerd doesn't? call me. x!
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Hairy Nutsack is a good looking dude - which is another nail in the coffin of the sterotypical nerd being a fat spotty teenage nerd sitting in his mom's basement, with an orange dick from too much masturbation and Cheetos (Wotsits here in the UK).
Sometimes, geeks can be a hunk of burning love - just like Nutsack :D
Oh, and I WILL get that pic of me in drag on here soon! What's the best site to host a pic, then? -
Who are these people who think that matt smith will make a good doctor? Not only that he is too young, which seems to me nothing more than a ploy to interest young girls to watch the show. That's not going to happen. Most young girls and women are too busy watching crap like american idol or are too close minded to even think about watching a single episode of Doctor Who. I for one will morn the last and best Doctor (David Tennant) because this new Corky will suck worst then perez hilton getting lucky in the back alley at his families hotel!
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Except for that less-than 2 minute appearence he made at the end of "The End Of Time Part 2", I (we?) don't how he'll be as the new Doctor. Being a Who fan, I plan on giving him a very fair chance. Plus, I do agree with everyone on this site, that Moffat Will make Doctor Who great, not perfect, but, great. I hope you (and, every Who fan) enjoys the new Season (series) of Doctor Who.
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I already know I will!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now, let's get back to RTD hating, not me, of course, I'll just watch from the side-lines, as always.
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You are absolutely correct axcel1 that his less then 2 minute appearance was brief. But during those 2 minutes all I did was laugh and at the end I was pissed because the attributes that make David Tennant the best was his skill in showing the agony that The Doctor must feel during those hard choices he's made or will have to make.
Of course I'll watch the new series. But can you imagine matt smith explaining to characters on an episode that "I'm a Time Lord and I'm over 900 years old". I bet those actors playing those parts will have a difficult time pretending to believe a teenage boy whose eyes look like those of any other teenager. In addition, it will be hilarious watching matt smith try and be sincere and wise as he tries to save countless others. -
I also bet that his new companions will all be teenage girls which probably means that a high school Doctor Who episode is in the works. Season 5 episode 1 "The Good Doctor Saves the Prom!"
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Jan 08, 2010 2:32:53 PM CST
henry2w2, I really want to believe..............................
by axcel1
That Steven Moffat knows what he doing. In the Trailer we saw the new companion, she looks hot, the return of River Song, meeting the Doctor for the first time, the weeping angels, and, your friends amd mine, the Daleks. Sounds like a winning combination to me.
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Jan 08, 2010 2:38:16 PM CST
how about, just before the first DW of 2010 we shout............
by axcel1
GERONIMO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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ALONS-Y!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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The Steven Moffat Lovefest. I can't wait!!!!!!!!!!!!
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...Until then, enjoy yourself, and see you on the Grand Moff Talkbacks. I hope you enjoy the new-look Moffat/Smith DOCTOR WHO... I KNOW I WILL!!!! :D
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You know I will!!!!!!!! I have to say one thing, try to cut the Grand Moff a little slack when he uses old enemies, like the Daleks, we all know that the Terry Nation estate own the rights to them, so, we will see, and have seen, the Daleks a lot. Just, remember, "the suits, the bean counters" will be whispering into his ear, telling Moff what they want and need. I'm just saying.
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I've no fear the stories will be top notch, I also think he'll bring it back to more old-school Who, with a more eccentric Doctor and more intricate storytelling - but bearing that in mind, he IS writing a show aimed at kids first and foremost, so the occasional farting alien or Dalek invasion won't bother me. I actually still love the Daleks (and thought the new Davros design was awesome!) so I'm still up for seeing a DECENT Dalek episode as opposed to the past-character lovefests RTD has been putting them into of late.
In short, I have faith... This new WHO will be awesome. So enjoy it - I know I will!!! ;D -
Spoilers... there pretending to have been invented by some mad British scientist and roam around with faux English voices asking if people would like a cup of tea, already classic.
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Ever since the UK Book Day (or whatever it's called) was launched back in the mid-Noughties, there have been these novella-sized stories you could buy for a pound, all aimed at kids, in the hope of getting the UK reading again (fat chance of that!). One of them was called I AM A DALEK, by Gareth Roberts, written back in 2006, and features Tennant's Doctor and Rose - and sounds EXACTLY like the episode you described. If we get word Gareth Roberts is writing the episode, then we KNOW it's that story. And a very good story it is too...
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