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Massawyrm's Top 10 of 2009!

Hola all. Massawyrm here. It was a great year to be a genre fan. As much as 2008 was the year of the fanboy, this was the year that rewarded honest to god science fiction buffs. 20 Animated films, no less than a dozen sci-fi, fantasy or end of the world films - most of them good, if not great - and a real attention paid to SERIOUS genre filmmaking. In other words, it was a great year to be an AICN style movie lover. Here are the ten that most touched me and that I hold most dear. 10) UP IN THE AIR. Jason Reitman is quickly proving to be one of the strongest voices of his generation, turning in film after film that gets to the heart of the human condition and makes us laugh at the same time. In each film he takes what would under normal conditions be a thoroughly unlikable character – a bullshit artist spin doctor for Big Tobacco, a hipper-than-thou teenager too dumb not to get knocked up and now a professional axe man who gives lectures on the necessity to cut out human baggage from your life - and he finds the humanity and makes you feel for them. Here he managed to catch Clooney at just the right moment in his life that he identified with the material and turned in a wonderfully endearing performance that manages to be pretty heartbreaking. Some folks have taken issue with the films unresolved ending, but personally that is part of what I love most about it. That’s the theme of the film right there in the title: UP IN THE AIR. While I don’t think it is Reitman’s best film (I’m still a huge fan of THANK YOU FOR SMOKING) I think it is easily his most accessible. 9) TAKING WOODSTOCK. I still can’t believe what I heard coming out of this screening from other critics. People were complaining, both openly there and later in print, that there wasn’t any WOODSTOCK footage or recreations of the stage events, and that the classic performances and music were entirely absent. That was the point. This isn’t a film about Woodstock. It is a film about the tempest surrounding it, about the people who played a part in making it all happen, and just how in-over-their-head they were. The film is a fantastic, heartwarming, feel good movie chock full of great moments, wonderful characters and one of the greatest LSD sequences ever set to film. Truly a remarkable film, this is one that fell off of too many people’s radars and should find its way back on as soon as possible. 8) UP. It’s UP. If there’s a TOP 10 list that doesn’t have this on it, or one of you that has not yet seen it, I haven’t heard about it. You can find my full initial review here. A Wonderful film. 7) THE ROAD. Dark, depressing and probably the best post-apocalyptic film ever made. This takes a very serious look at (what appears to be) a post-comet struck world. Life is dying out, people are starving, cannibalism rules the day. One of the very best things about this year is how seriously filmmakers took science fiction, and this is a great example of that. It’s not an adventure film; it is a film about a man trying to remain moral in the face of vicious immorality while trying to pass those lessons and ideals onto his young son – all while staying alive. Not an easy task. Harsh, cold and riveting, this delivers on everything it promises: an Oscar caliber film that transcends genre and truly captures the essence of Cormac McCarthy’s literature. Mortensen and Hillcoat prove to be an effective team that each delivers on their potential. 6) FANTASTIC MR. FOX. When I first wrote my review several months ago, I said that I held UP to be the superior film. Two months and several viewings later, I’ve changed my mind. I love UP and everything they did with it. But at the end of the day it was everything we expect out of Pixar. This was unexpected. This was different. This changed the way I looked at how a film like this could be made. I want to see other visionary directors tackle stop motion or animated projects, adding their unique voices and vision to the process. I want to see Anderson do another of these films. FOX was a reset button on Anderson’s career, bringing out everything that was great about him initially but had gotten so stale. Even if his next project isn’t animated or a family, I want to see this energy and enthusiasm brought back again. I will cherish this film for a very long time. 5) MOON. Now we’re into my top 5, all of which are Science fiction this year. I don’t think it is much of a secret that I am a sci-fi/fantasy dork, but this year was benchmark year for genre lovers and this part of the list won’t seem that odd to many of you. It’s not like I’m plucking them out of obscurity. These are all some of the very best films of the year, and let’s face it, because of their genre, the audiences they appeal to and the way they handle their material, they will have a shelf life that outlasts many of their more reality grounded contemporaries. And that especially goes for MOON. A brilliant, quiet, thoughtful piece of gritty sci-fi, Duncan Jones exploded on the scene with one of the most thought provoking, truly classic in tone science fiction effort. While he wore his influences on his sleeve, they weren’t exactly mainstream influences, and for the first time in recent memory we were treated to something akin to a great Bradbury story. Here are my original thoughts on this. 4) STAR TREK. There are precisely four people in the world not in love with the new STAR TREK movie and they spend all of their time in the talkback section reminding us how much they hate it. Okay, while that might not be entirely true, it sure as hell seems true. I personally can’t get enough of this movie. It is the very definition of a popcorn movie that aspires to be more without ever forgetting its roots. It entertains like no other film entertained this year, mixing nostalgia with a fresh take and an original look that came together to form an infinitely rewatchable tale that both adheres to canon while being able to redefine it. A startlingly refreshing breath of fresh air, this might prove to ultimately be my FAVORITE film of the year, if not quite what I think to be the best. Scads more gushing can be found here. 3) AVATAR. Yes. My eyeballs were properly fucked after a nice dinner and romantic bottle of wine. However, it was this confirmation by my favorite astrophysicist in the world (as well as his follow-ups) that the science was good. That while the story was fantasy dressed up in sci-fi, the sci- in the fi was solid. Avatar is not a long time ago in some galaxy far, far away. It is a story on a world that could very much exist out there. Together we dream of a world that could, in some manner, exist. Cameron devoted so much passion to the universe he set it in that it enriches every frame of a very visual film in a way most other films cannot. Brilliant. And yet, as has been discussed, the story wasn’t exactly chock full of surprises – which is what makes it number three in a very tightly packed, very much loved top 5. 2) FISH STORY. I hate being this guy, but this year I have to. FISH STORY isn’t available over here. A Region 2 DVD reportedly exists, but I haven’t seen one yet. But what I have seen is this movie…six times now. And with Tim League hinting that he might be trying to bring it back, I’ll be seeing it again on the big screen. The story of a world imperiled by a comet, only one obscure punk rock song from the 70’s can save it. I LOVE the ever loving shit out of this movie like you cannot believe. Smart as all hell, touching, funny – I’ve reviewed it twice already. Here and here. If you are the type of person who tracks down rare gems from other locales, this is a movie to put on your watch list. I hope to god SOMEONE picks up the DVD rights to this in the states or that NETFLIX gets a hold of it. I want people to see this so badly that it hurts. 1) DISTRICT 9. AVATAR is not the most important film of the year. This is. Avatar pushed the limits of technology and showed the world that giving a bonafide genius 12 years and every toy in the toychest to play with that you can make more money than God. DISTRICT 9 showed that if you give a young genius $30 million dollars and leave him the fuck alone under the tutelage of a master like Peter Jackson, that you will make money hand over fist while garnering endless praise forging a classic that will be rewatched and discussed for generations. If you weren’t old enough for ALIEN or ROBOCOP or THE THING to melt your brain and become part of your DNA like it is with so many of us – this is what it felt like. This is what it feels like. This is a film that will be ripped off and paid homage to from here on out. It is a part of history. AVATAR will be forever heralded as one of the big budget greats. A JURASSIC PARK or a STAR WARS or a STAR TREK. This is something different. It is a rare and delicate thing that comes along only a few times a generation. I want very desperately for this to be a sign of things to come for Neil Blomkamp. I want him to be our John Carpenter or Ridley Scott. Fingers crossed. Until next time friends, smoke ‘em if ya got ‘em. Massawyrm
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  • Dec. 31, 2009, 10 a.m. CST

    Star Trek ripped off Khan and Phantom Menace

    by wintocha67

    Why? It was a complete mess.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 10:03 a.m. CST

    Other than overestimating AVATAR's legacy

    by YackBacker

    You make some solid points, Massa. Happy New Year, bud.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 10:07 a.m. CST

    Avatar

    by Bumb48

    Will be seen for what it really is once it hits DVD/Blu-ray. All flash and no substance. Without the admittedly awesome 3-D effects, there is nothing in the movie other than an incredibly cliche plot with terrible uninteresting characters.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 10:08 a.m. CST

    World's Greatest Dad should be in there

    by JettL93

    but beside that I agree with most of the list..I perhaps would have added cloudy with a chance of Meatballs over fantastic Mr FOx...at least for the viewpoint of fun movie the entire family will enjoy. I've noticed in screenings that Cloudy captures the audiences attention far greater then Fox does, but both are great films

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 10:10 a.m. CST

    "The Road"

    by Toe Jam

    Really great movie, I agree, but the book is far, far better -- one of the greatest books I've ever read, actually. I would have been much more impressed with the movie had I not read the book, which is a credit to those who made the movie. (Still, though, I kind of hated the far more "uplifting" ending of the movie.) And did I miss references to a comet in either the book or movie? It's been a few years since I read the book, but I could have sworn there were references to a nuclear war in it, and I don't really remember ANY references to what catastrophe befell the earth in the movie version.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 10:12 a.m. CST

    DISTRICT 9 should be #1 on everyone's list

    by WhoDis

    unless of course you hate genre movies, which if you frequent AICN, you probably shouldn't be here.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 10:14 a.m. CST

    JettL93 AGREED

    by torontoxic

    World's Greatest Dad was the best movie I watched this year. <P>

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 10:23 a.m. CST

    D9 without a doubt!

    by Darth_Kaos

    Best Movie of the year. Even though I haven't seem Avatar (seeing it Today), I'm sure D9 will stay #1 in my book. Just the 'original' factor it stands alone. And if it doesn't get oscar noms for best original screenplay and best visual effects, I will be very upset. Even though it should win best visual effects, I'm sure that will go to Avatar.<br><br> In closing, Mass is the only reviewer on this site that I respect, since his opinions and tastes are close to my own.<br><br> D9 is and should be #1 on everyones list.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 10:27 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Nice list Massa. Yeah FISH STORY sticks out as the 'im cool cos ive seen a movie none of you guys have' choice, but at least you make that point yourself. Nice to see the sci-fi love in this list tho.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 10:27 a.m. CST

    District 9 blows chunks

    by TheDudeinLA

    I was never more bored in the theater. What a crappy script with a seriously stupid plot. Why this is on anybody's list is a mystery to me.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 10:27 a.m. CST

    Massa, if you're not including me as a TBer

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    Who was thoroughly unimpressed with Star Trek then we're now up to 5 people who didn't like it.<p>And Up? Yeah, that's not making my list either. Can't argue with you on District 9 and Avatar though.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 10:27 a.m. CST

    THE SKELETON FARMS OF INDIA

    by TehCreepyThinMan

    This has been sticking in my mind for a while and I wanted to discuss it.<br> <br>At the beginning of Return of the Living Dead, Freddy and Frank are discussing the skeletons that the Uneeda Medical supply warehouse sells to medical schools and how they have perfect teeth. Frank tells Freedy that they come from India before making a crack that “maybe there’s a skeleton farm over in India”. <br> <br>During the audio commentary, on the DVD, Dan O’ Bannon makes a comment that soon after the release of ROTLD India stopped supplying real skeletons to medical schools in the US and that he suspected that something criminal was going on over there. He goes on to wonder aloud about what age a person would have a perfect set of teeth? <br> <br>All sorts of things have raced through my mind. How would people in India of all places be able to keep their teeth in perfect shape? How would they find people who had died with perfect teeth? Were people being killed and their skeletons harvested? <br> <br>I had the idea that if there were skeleton farms in India, they would more then likely have been orphanages. To ensure that their skeletons were in the best shape the children would have to have been given good nutrition as well as superior dental care while growing up there. At what age would they be killed for their bones? How would they be killed? <br> <br>They couldn’t be shot to death or killed in a way that would damage their bones so I came to the conclusion that they must have been poisoned. How would the poisoning take place? The people who run this place would have to give the children a reason not to run away and the prospect of being sent to a foreign land, say, the USA would be enough to keep anyone from leaving. <br> <br>I had this idea that the children at the farm would be told that at the end of each year there would be a feast for the departing class the day that they leave, that it would only be for those who graduate and that it would be held somewhere away from the farm should any of the other children get nosy. <br> <br>The graduating class would be taken to a hall of some sort in the middle of nowhere for the feast and before any food was in sight the people in charge would hold a toast for the class. The class starts to drink and one by one they lose consciousness as the poison in the wine starts to kill them. <br> <br>I imagine their bodies would be loaded into a truck of some sort before being taken to a rendering plant where the flesh would be stripped and organs harvested for trade in the black market. The bloody skeletons would each be placed into a vat where the remains of flesh and blood would be boiled off. Once cleaned the bones would be assembled using wire to keep them in place before being shipped off.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 10:29 a.m. CST

    Trek XI: Make That Five

    by Coordinate_System

    <p>But I don't spend All of my free time here. :)</p>

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 10:30 a.m. CST

    Where's The Hangover?

    by the_beard_of_Chuck_Norris

    The greatest comedy of the year by far. <p> It's up there with Animal House and Blazing Saddles in my book.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 10:34 a.m. CST

    You had me with Star Trek

    by vin_diggler

    but ya quickly lost me with Avatar. Sorry but it should not have made anyones list.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 10:37 a.m. CST

    Where's Ghosts of Girlfriends Past?

    by Rhinosaur

    You said it was awesome.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 10:39 a.m. CST

    No Hurt Locker? Bah. District 9? Shlock.

    by Crow3711

    Taking Woodstock over Hurt Locker? Please. And I've said it once and I'll say it again...District 9 was a step in wrong direction. Great visuals, artistry, etc. Terrible story. In fact, on the verge of retarded. I've broken it down before, so I'm not gonna do it unless someone asks me to explain why, but believe me, I can. That story made absolutely bugfuck zero sense at all. Offensively retarded on a basic narrative level. Everyone raved about the "world" he created...it was a world where illogical plot holes and contrivance ruled the day. Yea...some fucking sci-fi world. Star Trek made way more sense.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 10:43 a.m. CST

    HOLY SHIT!!! CHAS. BALUN DIED ON DEC 18TH!!! R.I.P.

    by TehCreepyThinMan

    Oh course the fucking shit eating retards that run this site say NOTHING about his passing. He died from cancer at age 61. Besides being a regular contributed to Fangoria, Gorezone, Deep Red and Gore Shriek in the 80’s, he was also the author of The Gore Score and the Connoisseur's Guide to Contemporary Horror Film: The Best of the Beasts and Blood. He was a champion of Horror and Exploitation cinema and will be missed.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 10:44 a.m. CST

    UP ok good

    by Series7

    God for a second I thought he called Up in the Air a wonderful film? I was like??? HUH? Says who, that movie should be in the top ten worst movies.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 10:45 a.m. CST

    Wait fuck me

    by Series7

    UP IN THE AIR is on his list. Fuck that noise. That movie is awful on every level. PLEASE AVATAR MAKE SHIT TONS OF MONEY so this garbage doesn't get sucked off to full release by every critic.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 10:47 a.m. CST

    hmmmmm Taking Woodstock

    by Series7

    greatest LSD scene ever. <P> People said this about Knocked Up, while that was shrooms, that scene was embarssingly bad and corny. I think the best LSC scene ever is in the Tenacious D movie.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 10:48 a.m. CST

    ...Series7...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...don't spoil the end of UP mistaking it for UP IN THE AIR.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 10:48 a.m. CST

    Not a bad list Massa but no Hurt Locker

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    Whilst Hurt Locker is not my number 1, it does make my top 5 and any list of top 10 for the year should include it

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 10:49 a.m. CST

    TehCreepyThinMan...

    by MCVamp

    Are you in the business? Because I want to see the movie you just pitched. You'd probably have to film it in Japan, though. That's one country that doesn't mind bugfuck crazy movies starring minors. Also, although I can understand a "take it or leave it" attitude about STAR TREK, I can't understand the raging hatred. At worst, it was a candy-coated mishandling of the "mythos" designed to do the one thing Star Trek had never accomplished: box-office juggernautitude. While (if you didn't like it) that's not the noblest thing in the world, it didn't have giant robot testicles. I understand dislike, but the pure hatred is out of place. Finally, Massa once again solidifies his position as hands-down best reviewer on the site.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 10:49 a.m. CST

    it's almost as simple as

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    no Hurt Locker = no credibility

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 10:54 a.m. CST

    People who read THE ROAD can't

    by Series7

    Seperate it from the film. Being someone who never read the book I found the movie very contrived and pretty fucking ham handed. I mean it was a decent movie, no better then I Am Legend though. <P> I've spent many a convo going over this movie and I've figured out the biggest problem of the movie are the flash backs (which I gather aren't in the book). This is because people claiming that the movie is some deep meditation on human life, these flashbacks take away from that buy beating you over the head with how to feel. Its just a simple survival movie. <P> Also how every event goes the same way (man/boy end up in a situation, hide/fall asleep, man has flashback, wakes up real fast then they move on). <P> Thanks to strong acting of Viggo he saves the film to a huge extent. But his mildly retarded son almost kills it. I don't get how you grow up in that environment and still end up being a spoiled useless brat. Unless he was born with a metal handicap.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 10:54 a.m. CST

    I DON'T SEE (500) DAYS OF SUMMER ON YOUR LIST

    by BringingSexyBack

    And that upsets me like you wouldn't believe.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 10:55 a.m. CST

    FlickaPoo

    by Series7

    Hahahah yeah, in the end of UP. Turns out George Cloondawg still doesn't take any risk as an actor.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 10:55 a.m. CST

    Interesting story about Tenacious D shroom scene

    by JettL93

    The original actor to play sassaphraz was paul rudd, but he broke his ankle just days before and we set shooting back, i Then suggested John c Reily whom i had worked with before and cinimatic history was born

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 10:55 a.m. CST

    It is a story on a world that could very much exist out there. T

    by IHaveSeenEveryEpisodeOfPrisonBreak

    WHAAAAAAATTTTTT????????

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 10:55 a.m. CST

    It is a story on a world that could very much exist out there. T

    by IHaveSeenEveryEpisodeOfPrisonBreak

    WHAAAAAAATTTTTT????????

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 10:55 a.m. CST

    Avatar sucked, District 9 ruled

    by martisco

    Anyone who thinks Cameron "showed us a world we've never seen" in Avatar needs to fucking rent FANTASTIC PLANET and learn what real world-building is (complete with meditating large blue people). District 9 is definitely one of the top 50 SF movies of all time and certainly the only noteworthy SF this year from a major studio (besides perhaps MOON).

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 10:57 a.m. CST

    ...(500) DAYS OF SUMMER showed up in my mailbox...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...today...can it possibly sufficiently bring the sexy?

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 10:58 a.m. CST

    It's not fair to say Avatar sucked

    by vin_diggler

    It just gets way more praise than it deserves. It was an ok story with incredible visuals. Kind of like an LSD trip. Maybe Avatar should get the best LSD award.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 11 a.m. CST

    I love this list, but no BASTERDS?

    by zillabeast

    You know QT is going to take home Best Director (Oscar) for that one.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 11:03 a.m. CST

    I wouldn't wish John Carpenter...

    by yomomma

    ...on Blomkamp. Make 3 enduring classics, a few underrated cult favs and half a lifetime of terrible shit to remind everyone how far you have fallen? No thanks.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 11:04 a.m. CST

    District 9 Was OK At Best

    by LaserPants

    I mean, yeah, they did a great job on a shoe-string, but anything interesting about it -- the political allegory that all but disappears after the first 10 minutes -- is quickly overwhelmed by a sort of boring, nonsensical, action movie plot. You mean these aliens, who can rip people limb from limb and can use insanely powerful weaponry, don't revolt against the humans... because they like catfood? Lame. It was a good try, and the aforementioned political allegory was interesting, but all told? It was a solid B movie offering from a director who, I hope, does better things next time; or, you know, has the courage to follow through on the allegory (as Cuaron did with Children of Men), rather then throwing it all out in favor of a retardo action movie plot that dominates the majority of its run time.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 11:06 a.m. CST

    I Usually Root For The Scrappy Underdog

    by LaserPants

    But you're insane if you think D9 was better than Avatar. INSANE.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 11:06 a.m. CST

    District 9 all the way for No 1.

    by Stormwatcher

    Followed by Inglorious Basterds. Two movies worth multiple viewings and leaving you wanting to discuss them.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 11:07 a.m. CST

    What, Exactly, Is There To Discuss About D9?

    by LaserPants

    Aside from the hastily abandoned political allegory?

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 11:08 a.m. CST

    I doubt Avatar will not hold up AT ALL

    by Series7

    At home. While I think D9 will be a lot of time in my VHS.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 11:09 a.m. CST

    Neil Blomkamp

    by skimn

    Nice call Massa. If there is any director out there that shows hope for genre films and the direction the genre should be headed, its Blomkamp (and Moon's Duncan Jones). This is like Lucas' THX 1138. His calling card to the industry.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 11:10 a.m. CST

    What, Exactly, Is There To Discuss About Avatar?

    by Series7

    Seriously, that was my problem with it. Its like a one and done film. It was solid all around, you can hate some dialog and this and that, but you enjoyed the ride. <P> I really want to know how kids respond to Avatar. Like are they running out wanting the toys and want not? It just seems like a one off movie.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 11:11 a.m. CST

    OH YEAH FLICKA

    by BringingSexyBack

    I'm surprised your mailbox was able to contain the sexy without exploding!

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 11:12 a.m. CST

    Waaaay better list than Capone's

    by philosophers

    Even though you put Fantastic Mr. Fox (over rated) higher than Up.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 11:14 a.m. CST

    Moon Was The Best Sci Fi This Year

    by FreeBeer

    Will be remembered as an all time classic of the genre, unlike Avatar or even Star Trek, which I thoroughly enjoyed. District 9 was great for accomlishing what it did on such a small budget, and the alien weaponry was some of the best Sci Fi hardware I've ever seen, but it was just too inconsistant for me, couldn't make up its mind what it wanted to be. I can forgive its many lapses in logic and plot holes because it was enjoyable in spite of them, much like Trek was. But an all time classic? I personally don't think it will be, a cult favourite yes, but not a true classic.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 11:14 a.m. CST

    MCVamp, I'D WRITE SKELETON FARMS OF INDIA AS A ROMANCE.....

    by TehCreepyThinMan

    I think I'd change the title to Together Forever. The movie would focus on two young lovers who live at the orphanage and dream of going to America. There would be no hint of their fate what-so-ever. The movie would play like a goofy romantic comedy. There would be some trials and tribulations but the two would come out on top. They go hand in hand to their class graduation ceremony with hope in their hearts and the knowledge that they will never be apart.<br> <br>At the ceremony they drink the toast with their fellow students while gazing lovingly into each others eyes before their smiles fade as the two hold onto each other as they collapse from the poison they unknowingly ingested. They are holding each other so hard that they have to be pulled apart before dumped into the back of a truck with the rest of the corpses on its way to the rendering plant. Once there, they’re stripped, gutted before their skeleton’s are boiled, polished, wired and boxed for a University in the USA.<br> <br>Once there, they are unpackaged and hanged besides each other in a classroom while a professor explains to the delivery man that they are a male/female pair of human skeletons with perfect teeth while smiling with pride at his new purchase. The delivery man asks “where do you get a skeleton with perfect teeth? The Professor’s smile slowly fades as a creeping sense of unease come over him. “Anyway”, says the delivery man, “I’ll be off now” and he walks out of the classroom. The Professor nods and slowly follows the delivery man to the door. He grabs the door handle and shuts off the lights and just as he’s closing over the door, he stops, regards the skeletons for a moment……….before closing the door shut.<br> <br>In the faint light from underneath the door the two skeletons hang in silence as we hear the two ill fated youths declare their love for each other and vow to be together....forever. The End.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 11:16 a.m. CST

    What Is There To Discuss About AVATAR?

    by LaserPants

    Aside from the spot-on, if totally obvious, political allegory, there is the idea of the psychic transferrence thingee; note that the avatar process is similar to the Na'vi spirit thingee; as if the Na'vi have evolved a kind of avatar process that the humans invented through bio-tech. In future installments, will this idea be explored? The idea of transferring ones consciousness to other states of being? Also, what's going on on Earth? Is it a Blade Runner-esque hellscape? Are they massing for war against the Na'vi? And what's going on on the other planets in Alpha Centuri? Are there other species like the Na'vi out there? Or species we haven't even reckoned yet? Species with the power to interconnect their consciousness? <br><br> That's just off the top of my head. <br><br>Next.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 11:20 a.m. CST

    fuck 2009

    by animas

    glad its over

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 11:20 a.m. CST

    LaserPants

    by Series7

    Ok so your the one guy thats going to paint themselves blue next year. <P> I mean first off the movie doesn't have cool characters to get behind. Its not like everyone wants to be Jake Sully (like they did with Han or Luke). And the shit your talking about, have fun with that because Cameron doesn't fucking know. He was just like ok Earths fuck, you can paint with all the colors of the wind. <P> Actually you did answer one question of mine, people are actually REALLY getting into the movie.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 11:21 a.m. CST

    WHAT IS WITH THE DISTRICT 9 BLOWJOBS LEFT AND RIGHT

    by Autodidact

    It was a good movie. But for fuck's sake "a film that will be watched and discussed for generations"? Are you kidding me!?

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 11:21 a.m. CST

    Also I'm pretty sure

    by Series7

    Next time I see Avatar, while my favorite scene in the movie was the training of the dragon. I'm gonna wish they had a "I wanna know Can you Show Me" Tazan like montage instead. <P> Also Avatar for worst theme song of the decade.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 11:23 a.m. CST

    District 9

    by Series7

    Is the new fucking Robocop. <P> It was just so awesome to fucking see violence in a movie again. It felt fucking freash and real. <P> D9 made me realize how much I miss Paulie V.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 11:23 a.m. CST

    Just watched 500 Days of Summer, and I can see why

    by CreasyBear

    with the exception of Massa, it's on a lot of Top Ten Lists. What a fantastic movie. Calling it a romcom would be like dismissing Annie Hall as a romcom. 500 Days of Summer has more truth and heart in than any other movie I saw this year, the directorial ideas were brave and effective (the Han Solo reflection KILLED my friends and me), and I don't care that it's a chick flick, I loved it. Great movie.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 11:23 a.m. CST

    How can anyone hate District 9?

    by Orionsangels

    It stay with me long after watching it. I couldn't stop thinking about it. Maybe because it felt more like a documentary than a movie. I believed in the world.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 11:24 a.m. CST

    animas, FUCK THIS DECADE!!! I'M GLAD IT'S OVER!!!

    by TehCreepyThinMan

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 11:24 a.m. CST

    FreeBeer, MOON had the worst science of the year!!!

    by Orionsangels

    He was walking outside on the Moon like he was walking on Earth. What were filmmakers thinking?

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 11:25 a.m. CST

    I don't hate District 9

    by Autodidact

    Christ. I loved it. I just don't think it will be remembered all that much five years from now. I honestly don't see the big deal. And I am a CG artist myself, I can see how good the CG is. Again, big fucking deal.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 11:29 a.m. CST

    ...one of the very best things about DISTRICT 9...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...you really love Wikus by the end...and he starts out a pretty shitty guy. He's kind of weak, kind of a bigot...and his motivations are almost entirely selfish...and by the end you love the guy...

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 11:29 a.m. CST

    District 9

    by Series7

    Was probably the first movie in a while I fucking wanted to stand up and cheer. <P> Also unlike Avatar the main character actually has an arch, he isn't the same pussy he was in the begining. <P> While Avatar Sulley is just kind of "eh whatever" guy in the begining and also at the end. He just wants to do cool shit and have fun.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 11:30 a.m. CST

    What am I glad to see...

    by skimn

    that Paranormal Activity made NO ONE's list for the year. Yea, it make quadjillion back on its budget. It was the talk of the town, for a week or two. The director can sleep easy knowing that his future career in direct-to-DVD releases is secure (see the directors of Blair Witch).

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 11:30 a.m. CST

    Pretty solid list

    by cgih8r

    I would put Hurt Locker in there somewhere

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 11:31 a.m. CST

    Yeah also I bought the love story

    by Series7

    Between Wikus and his wife more so then I did the blue peoples. <P> And Jake and Star Trek have like every scene together while Wickius only has a scene or two with his wife.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 11:32 a.m. CST

    ...Series7, when Wikus (spoiler)...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...first breaks off the table and wreaks some crustacean havoc Mrs. FlickaPoo jumped off the couch and yelled "GO WIKUS!!!FUCKING GO!!!!!".<P>That doesn't happen every day.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 11:33 a.m. CST

    skimn

    by Series7

    For PA I could make a case that it was probably one of the funniest movie experiences I've ever had. I went to the first midnight showing, so everyone was there to enjoy it. <P> Its more of an experiment then a film. Because I doubt it will be worth a damn when I rent it to see if my name made the credits. But its an experiment that either WORKED on you or didn't. There really is no middle ground in the movie. And since I was in a theater full of people it was working on, it was a lot of fun.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 11:33 a.m. CST

    Always enjoy Massawyrm's...

    by psSalieri

    take on film. That said, I'm pretty sure he made up Fish Story for some weird, AIC status grab.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 11:33 a.m. CST

    Orionsangels, That's Why It's Called Science Fiction

    by FreeBeer

    If you examine any science fiction movie closely you'll see bad science there. Do you really think it had worse science than Avatar, Star Trek, and District9? Are you joking?? For Star Trek see Red Matter. For District 9 see black goo than transforms a person at a D.N.A level merely by injesting it. For Avatar see the Avatars!! You think Moon had the worst science of the year because he didn't move around quiet right on the Moon?? Give me a break man.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 11:34 a.m. CST

    FlickaPoo

    by Series7

    Yeah mate, my wife like the movie too. Thats how I usually know its actually good and not geek garbage (like Watchmen). She also liked Avatar. She isn't sure which one she liked better....probably (500) Days of Summer hahahahaha.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 11:35 a.m. CST

    What I liked about 500 days of summer

    by Series7

    That its more a guy flick then chick flick. While it would've been pretty gay to see it with a bunch of dudes. Had I been single and saw that movie I would've been like fuck yeah, screw bitches.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 11:37 a.m. CST

    And Anyway, He Didn't Move Around With Then Same Ease He Would O

    by FreeBeer

    What movie were you watching? You didn't see him walk much on the surface of the moon but when you did he moved slowly and purposfully. There is gravity on the moon you know

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 11:38 a.m. CST

    Re: Wikus

    by skimn

    AND he sports the best/worst mustache in cinema since Robert DeNiro in King Of Comedy and Sean Penn in Falcoln And The Snowman.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 11:39 a.m. CST

    Fair enough list

    by Tomarru

    Much better than many of your colleagues who seem to have gone all academy nominations friendly this past while.<p> Just after watching transformers 2 (saw it in the cinema aswell) and it totally reaffirmed my initial reaction, it is overlong, obnoxious and boring. It's watchable, but then so is a lot of other shit.<p> Watched District 9 last night, and it reaffirmed my love for it, its just such a great movie and does everything I want....except titties, but theres enough of everything else to ignore that and im not sure they would fit either.<p> Gonna see Avatar tomorrow for the 3rd time, both viewings so far have blwon me away. It gets me in a way no other movie has this year, emotion, had a smile on my face through both viewings and goosbumps in several scenes. Thats why its my fav movie this year, D9 a close second.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 11:41 a.m. CST

    ...Wikus looked exactly like Bill Waterson...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...<P>http://cultblog2.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/15_watterson_lgl.jpg

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 11:43 a.m. CST

    Good list, Wyrm.

    by AmericanWerewolf

    It's nice to see scifi getting some attention again.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 11:43 a.m. CST

    Autodidact/Orionsangels

    by frozen01

    Autodidact: I couldn't agree more. The realism of D9 was pretty incredible, but it will be forgotten by the end of '10. This is just me speaking for me, but the plot just didn't do it for me. The whole cat food thing, the whole "becoming an alien" thing... I don't know, it just didn't work for me. <p>Orionsangels: I don't think anyone really hates District 9, not like people hate, say, Star Trek (for their own reasons). The start of the movie is exactly as you describe... more like a documentary than a movie, so the beginning was AMAZING. But it started to fall apart for me at the end, for the reasons I mentioned to Autodidact. Didn't hate it, though. :o\

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 11:50 a.m. CST

    Star Trek Love

    by wingfoot_solo

    Big Up to JJ Abrams for giving us the Star Trek we needed, not the Trek we wanted. I want to hold both Avatar & District 9 at the same level. Thats personal. Great list, i look forward to seeing Moon and Up in the Air.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 11:53 a.m. CST

    The Moon score

    by Series7

    Will outlive its movie by a good five years.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 11:58 a.m. CST

    Blomkamp is a real talent

    by ColonelFatheart

    While I disagree that District 9 was the classic that many are making it out to be, I do share Massa's hopes that he becomes a Ridley Scott or John Carpenter for our generation. (Although Duncan Jones seems to be getting a lot of love, too. Can't wait to finally see Moon ... )

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 12:01 p.m. CST

    What Is There To Discuss About D9?

    by Immortal_Fish

    The gaping plot holes.<P>The awfully convenient fuel property that can convert the DNA of any lifeform into a prawn. Digging thru trash recovering relics over a 20-year period just to fuel a shuttle to get to the mothership (that conveniently required no fuel) when they could have easily constructed a hot air balloon instead. These things are capable of interstellar travel, yet are incapable of standing up for themselves? And what happened to the camera man? The same thing that happened to the prawn leaders?<P>Lookit... I really dug the hell out of this movie the first time I saw it. My only mistake was watching it a second time.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 12:06 p.m. CST

    Finally! Someone gets it! D9 Blows.

    by TheDudeinLA

    All you have to do is think about it. Gaping plot holes indeed! It only takes special effects to make the "masses" think something is good when it isn't.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 12:08 p.m. CST

    Haven't seen Avatar yet, waiting for the IMAX crowds

    by skimn

    to thin out, but LaserPants is defending Avatar..? The guy who famously hates T2 loves Avatar? James Cameron is truly a builder of bridges, a healer of wounds, a peacemaker.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 12:11 p.m. CST

    District 9 had potential, ultimately missed mark

    by Viewer 3

    D9 was good, but not at all what it could have been. It missed nearly all of the opportunities it was presented, and I think people are giving this far too much praise. Urinating, drunk, vomiting, burping aliens that are addicted to cat food? ...Seriously...? You're taking THAT seriously? THAT'S your "best movie of the year"? These are the same people who complained about the "shamelessly human traits" given to the Transformers (Ghettobot, etc.) Those things alone simply killed the authenticity of this film. This thing really had a chance to be a serious undertaking that changed the way scifi stories were told and crafted. Instead, it doesn't even remotely take itself seriously. And the urinating aliens just aren't funny. It's not "funny" or "cute" or even remotely intellectually intriguing. NOTHING about it seems real or plausible or mysterious. It all feels like one big SNL skit when you have aliens walking, talking, acting, and joking around like human beings. You wanna praise the science of AVATAR? Then why not UTTERLY CONDEMN the scientific stupidity of the prawn design? Read any study into the possibilities of extraterrestrial life and you'll quickly see what a joke the aliens in this movie were. And unfortunately, that's really its biggest shortcoming. Had it taken itself more seriously, it could have truly set itself apart and set new standards. But ultimately, it falls into that "forgotten by next year" category.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 12:12 p.m. CST

    MOON and DISTRICT 8 were good but not great.

    by I Hope You Die

    STAR TREK should be on the worst list. And, no, I'm not a "trekkie." It was an incompetent piece of filmmaking. The script was terrible. It had some of the worst set design I've ever seen. The actors acted like they were on some cheesy Star Trek reunion show and did everything short of giving a wink and thumbs up after delivering their lines. It was derivative of other movies. I don't know a single person who saw it and liked it. It's pretty obvious that a lot of the people defending it are doing so purely because they don't want to be perceived as belonging to some group of "Trek zealots" who were destined to hate it who seem to exist only in their imagination. One day sociology professors will probably use it as an example of how the desire to fit in can lead to groupthink. Then they'll say, "And here's a less chilling example: The Holocaust." Ordinary, normal people hated this movie.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 12:12 p.m. CST

    FreeBeer

    by Orionsangels

    Yes

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 12:13 p.m. CST

    District 9 had potential, ultimately missed mark (redux)

    by Viewer 3

    Now with line breaks! Sorry, thought I was at a different website.<p><p> D9 was good, but not at all what it could have been. It missed nearly all of the opportunities it was presented, and I think people are giving this far too much praise.<p><p>Urinating, drunk, vomiting, burping aliens that are addicted to cat food? ...Seriously...? You're taking THAT seriously? THAT'S your "best movie of the year"?<p><p>These are the same people who complained about the "shamelessly human traits" given to the Transformers (Ghettobot, etc.) Those things alone simply killed the authenticity of this film. This thing really had a chance to be a serious undertaking that changed the way scifi stories were told and crafted. Instead, it doesn't even remotely take itself seriously. And the urinating aliens just aren't funny. It's not "funny" or "cute" or even remotely intellectually intriguing. NOTHING about it seems real or plausible or mysterious. It all feels like one big SNL skit when you have aliens walking, talking, acting, and joking around like human beings.<p><p>You wanna praise the science of AVATAR? Then why not UTTERLY CONDEMN the scientific stupidity of the prawn design? Read any study into the possibilities of extraterrestrial life and you'll quickly see what a joke the aliens in this movie were. And unfortunately, that's really its biggest shortcoming. Had it taken itself more seriously, it could have truly set itself apart and set new standards. But ultimately, it falls into that "forgotten by next year" category.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 12:13 p.m. CST

    Wait, was District 8 the prequel? I missed 1 thru 8? Shit!

    by Orionsangels

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 12:14 p.m. CST

    D9 wasn't a classic...

    by vbmilo

    C'mon fat geeks who never get laid besides with the Jeaneane Garofalo's of this world. D9 was an intense, intelligent alien version of apartheid by a great visionary, not the best of the year. I enjoyed Avatar quite more because I didn't have to cringe while viewing it. My Top Ten Films of the year. 10.Star Trek 9.The Hangover 8.District 9 7.Avatar 6.Up In The Air 5.Bruno 4.UP 3.The Hurt Locker 2.Away We Go 1.500 Days Of Summer

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 12:14 p.m. CST

    One thing I learned from AICN best-of lists..

    by ebonic_plague

    ...some of you talkbackers pick more nits than a school nurse.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 12:15 p.m. CST

    I liked Star Trek...

    by PurityOfEssence

    I have a friend calling it the film of the decade, I don't quite get it. Maybe because I was a bigger fan of the Original Trek.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 12:19 p.m. CST

    The mix of traditional filmed scenes and "found" footage

    by skimn

    Why is it such a stretch to accept D9 combines both narrative devices? It was never Blomkamp's stated intent that the entire movie was based on documentary footage, ala Blair Witch, or found footage like Cloverfield.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 12:20 p.m. CST

    Avatar is not Star Wars and will never be.....

    by jaysin420

    It shouldn't even be allowed to be used in the same sentence. Lemme guess, Worthington is the next Harrison Ford?

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 12:22 p.m. CST

    God anyone digging into D9

    by Series7

    Outside of just not really liking how it turned into a action movie. Who gives a fuck. I don't care if the movie "could be real" or has social commentary. The movie was just bad ass and violent as shit. Shot with a sure hand, the movie was about as subtle as Starship Troopers. It was just fucking fun. Something we haven't seen from a SyFy film in some time. Just like Star Trek, though D9 wins because it was more violent.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 12:26 p.m. CST

    I liked most of the movies on this list...

    by Audio_of_Being

    ...that actually came to my local theater.<P>Personally, I wouldn't put Mr. Fox on any top ten list, same with Star Trek. I thought Trek was alright, but I wouldn't give any commendations cause it was pretty much just a turn your brain off and enjoy sci-fi flick. It didnt have the emotional impact or thought provoking story of Treks of yesteryear.<p>And if you think the 4 people on the site are bad for hating it, Massa, you should meet my one buddy: He makes asimov look like an Abrams fanboy. And he's not the first I've seen. I know that on some level this site is receiving payola to give Trek acclaim, but it seems kind of silly to go out of your way to downplay people who have legitimate issues with it. There's more than 4.....<P>As for what I would add, Basterds would definitely be on the list, and you'll probably shit on me for this, but I'd add Zombieland and Countdown to Liquorday.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 12:26 p.m. CST

    The Hangover RULES!!!

    by AmericanWerewolf

    Just had to get that out. I enjoyed the original Trek. I don't know if I'd call Abrams' ST the film of the decade, but I loved it. It just took good concepts and reenergized them.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 12:26 p.m. CST

    Also D9

    by Series7

    Has the more memorable quote "Get your fokkin' tentacle out of my face!" <P> What did Avatar have? <P> Granted niether tops "Bitches Leave".

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 12:28 p.m. CST

    I'm surprised Tetro

    by Series7

    Isn't making more people best of list. It was pretty good I thought. I guess thats what you get when you don't have a studio sucking your dick....Paramount.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 12:29 p.m. CST

    'Star Trek' better than 'Moon'?

    by buggerbugger

    Presumably this happens in the alternative universe where everyone has a beard and is bat-shit crazy?

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 12:31 p.m. CST

    ...a movie like DISTRICT 9 can't take every element...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...seriously. It can't. Being dead serious and "accurate" about every plot element, science, logic, character etc...would stop the fucking thing in it's tracks.<P>Zero fun.<P>Most movies have to take a few things very very seriously and have fun with the rest...it's all a matter of balance.<P>DISTRICT 9 took character completely seriously...that and inserting the effects into this realistic looking world. That's it. It was basically a character study with kick ass action, violence, and effects. That's not good enough for you?...then fuck you.<P>You have to know what your goals are and have fun with the rest. DISTRICT 9 did that perfectly.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 12:34 p.m. CST

    Moon

    by Series7

    Was ok. I just don't see myself watching it more then maybe one more time in my lifetime. Kind of boring in parts. <P> Though it was fun to see a movie about isolation in a movie theater entirely to myself.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 12:35 p.m. CST

    District 9 is not a Number One film.

    by DanteCubit

    It was a nice try. It was nice to see an ambitious movie made outside the Hollywood machine. However, I never connected with the protagonist. It wasn't as violent as I wanted it to be. And ultimately, it was not as good as I wanted it to be. Is it worth watching? Yes. But is it worth deification? Hell no.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 12:36 p.m. CST

    Why does nobody bash UP's horrible 3rd act

    by natecore

    there is no mistake that the first 30 minutes or so is absolutely perfect, but once they get to the island it falls apart. Especially when the baddie w/ no motivation and a simple 20 second explanation becomes the evil foil.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 12:39 p.m. CST

    Series7

    by theKRELL

    I guess you'll be the one wearing the giant Cockroach costume next year.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 12:40 p.m. CST

    DanteCubit

    by Series7

    As violent as you wanted it to be??? It was the fucking most violent widely released film since fuck knows.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 12:42 p.m. CST

    theKRELL

    by Series7

    Nope, Spongebob again. I think I'm going on 6 years of the same costumes.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 12:42 p.m. CST

    Re: FlickaPoo

    by Viewer 3

    When you're trying to establish your movie as a "different" breed of film, the last thing you do is turn the major plot element of your story into a complete joke. That's filmmaking 101.<p><p>And that's always the defense, isn't it? "Oh, it's SUPPOSED to be FUN, so we'll just excuse the awful dialog/story/characters/script/acting. Of COURSE it's not all gonna be Academy Award winning material, that's how it's SUPPOSED to be!"<p><p>Sorry, I'm not asking for everything to be ultra serious and dramatic. But there's a way to make something "fun" without turning it into a complete intelligence-insulting marathon of asinine character design. Then again, some people thought some of the more extreme Transformer personalities were fun and necessary. Others felt they were just ridiculous. To each their own I suppose. If you're one of those people who lays back and accepts gangsterfied aliens as "necessary fun" and claims that it's somehow the perfect balance... well then good for you.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 12:48 p.m. CST

    Viewer 3

    by Series7

    Well Up In the Air introduced us to a new breed, and then turned her into a joke. <P> Its got bad cinematopraphy/dialog/story/script and its getting Oscar buzz?

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 12:52 p.m. CST

    ...Viewer 3, I'm not making a single excuse for any...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...element of DISTRICT 9. I'm not saying "yeah, but it's fun so it gets a pass!" I'm saying one of the best things about it is that it set limited goals for itself and achieved those goals spectacularly.<P>Most similar movies these days try to be candy for everyone and end up being utter shit at every level.<P>People should watch and learn from DISTRICT 9.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 12:54 p.m. CST

    Violence...

    by skimn

    I thought turning Hitler into so much steak tartar in IB was cool. And as much as I'll defend D9, I am a bit tired of the shit literally hitting the lens. I thought it was played out when Spielberg did it in Skull with the crushed ant.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 12:54 p.m. CST

    Natecore

    by ColonelFatheart

    Charles Muntz had plenty of motivation: He was a deranged, obsessed old man in the Ahab vein that has spent the past 60 years in a remote wilderness with little human contact, and he was completely frustrated in his quest. Then along comes this crank with a floating house and some fat kid with a chocolate bar, and the bird just comes to them. That there was only a brief explanation was a virtue.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 12:55 p.m. CST

    FlickaPoo

    by skimn

    Well said sir.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 12:56 p.m. CST

    FlickaPoo

    by Series7

    What I find funny is that Ebert said Knowing was one of his favorites of the year, but if you read his review of D9 is sounds like he didn't like it at all. <P> I'd say they are about on the same level.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 12:57 p.m. CST

    skimn

    by Series7

    Yeah the one violent scene in IB may have been cool. But D9 was balls to the walls violence all the way through.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 1:01 p.m. CST

    viewer 3...

    by ScaryWaitress

    I think the reason D9 gets a pass on science is because it got everything else right. It wasn't purporting to be a "game-changer", it was trying to tell a simple- but in this case well-executed- story set inthe real world. Crazy looking, even unbelievable aliens aside, a LOT of this movie rang true to me. I didn't even mind the ham-fisted apartheid allegory. <P> As for Avatar, I am holding in my hot little hand an ELEVEN dollar ticket and a pair of 3-D glasses. I get to see about 2 movies a year. This had better not suck.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 1:01 p.m. CST

    I think Ebert has a serious hard on for Alex Proyas

    by skimn

    He named Dark City the best of that year, and I think he named Knowing numero uno this year.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 1:02 p.m. CST

    skimn

    by Series7

    Yeah thats true.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 1:08 p.m. CST

    skimn

    by ColonelFatheart

    Ebert didn't rank his best-of list this year. For what it's worth, his best of the decade list has The Hurt Locker at No. 2, so that would probably be his top pick for 2009 if he were forced to name one.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 1:12 p.m. CST

    New Moon

    by gingerella

    must have been 11th.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 1:14 p.m. CST

    what the fuck Ebert?

    by Series7

    Juno/Crash/Me You And Everyone We know/Syndecrappy NY/Monster??? Are you fucking kidding me?

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 1:14 p.m. CST

    D9 finally getting into the lists.

    by estacado1

    People complain D9 doesn't know what it wants to be; a drama, an action flick, a sci0fi flick, a mockumentary, what the fuck is it? But that is what is so great about it. It has almost everything. And all the elements blend together perfectly. I can't believe a friend of mine actually thought that 500 days of summer was the years best.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 1:24 p.m. CST

    Series7

    by hrv1004

    I registered just to tell you that you're an idiot. D9 was good, great even. But to state that IB had ONE? violent scene and D9 was "balls to the walls" violent is just ignorant, not to mention wrong. Also, saying Up in the Air has bad cine/dialogue (which is some of the best dialogue written this year)/story/script(which is really just another word that includes the previous two just to make it seem like you have more to complain about) is ludicrous. Your opinions have lost ALL weight with me.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 1:29 p.m. CST

    estacado1, it's Gordon-Levitt.

    by ScaryWaitress

    He's so brilliant, he numbs the mind. Seriously, I think he's going to turn out to be one of the great ones of his generation... as long as he never pulls any more shit like that God-awful Gary Oldman imitation he did in GI Joe. <P> GOD, I hated that movie.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 1:31 p.m. CST

    I almost totally agree

    by Lang The Cat

    The exception for me was Avatar. I do not agree Avatar is a great film, but I do agree it is a great example of film making. The work done on this film will affect films for at least 20 years, however while well done, the script keeps this from being an excellent film.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 1:36 p.m. CST

    Avatar, D9 and Moon

    by Volllllume3

    Prove that this was a great year for sci-fi. Star Trek on the other hand was shit.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 1:38 p.m. CST

    And whatnot

    by Viewer 3

    I'll agree, D9 didn't "set out" to be a gamechanger or anything. So I don't fault it for that. I guess I personally have been waiting for a "different breed" of serious sci-fi, and was really hoping that D9 would be that. Like I said, it was really good. I just don't feel it's what it COULD have been.<p><p>Obviously it's not up to me what a movie should or shouldn't be, so I'm well aware of the limited merit of my critiques. I just don't see what would've been any less-fun about it had the aliens been designed better. There could have still been plenty of fun without all the nonsense they crammed in there. That's all I'm saying. I'm all for finding a balance of fun and seriousness, I just like to see it done in the right ways, in the right areas, and for the right reasons.<p><p>As for Avatar, I wanted to hate it. Really bad. But I saw the 3D version, and my mind was blown. But I'm withholding my enthusiasm until I see the non-3D version, so I can decide whether I was in love with the visuals or in love with the movie itself.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 1:39 p.m. CST

    Gordon-Levitt

    by skimn

    Look at his face. Maybe its the eyes, but I think he's a (no pun intended) dead ringer for Heath Ledger. And he has the acting chops. Watch The Lookout. Very overlooked. He should be getting the plum roles Shia keeps getting..Indy, Wall St 2..

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 1:40 p.m. CST

    FISH STORY

    by QuizKidDonnieSmith

    MAN, I WANT TO SEE IT SO BADLY, TOO BAD ITS REGION 2 DVD HAS NO ENGLISH SUBS!!!!!!!!

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 1:41 p.m. CST

    I'M 1 OF THE 4 WHO HATED THE NEW TREK

    by uberman

    To be honest though, I could only stomach about 15 minutes of it, so the rest might have been CITIZEN KANE for all I know. What I do know is that what I did see was totally friggin retarded. God, it hurts just thinking about it.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 1:43 p.m. CST

    Let's celebrate mediocrity!

    by The Decider

    District 9 is definitely the most overrated movie of the year. At least on this site.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 1:44 p.m. CST

    DISTRICT 9

    by uberman

    Good movie, but I don't see any need to see it again. Borderline dull, but well written and GREAT fx all around. In a word: a GRITTY Sci Fi flick. The director has proven himself to be very capable and talented. Too bad he did'nt do the new STAR TREK. It might have even been watchable.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 1:44 p.m. CST

    I`M 1 OF 1 WHO DIDN`T READ THE STORY

    by theDannerDaliel

    happy new year

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 1:44 p.m. CST

    All Due Respect

    by MajorUndeclared

    Wyrm, I agree with your reviews over all the others on this site, but I'm sad that you rated Up so high. I thought I knew you better than that. I can't believe it beat the likes of Basterds, 500 days, and Drag me to hell.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 1:45 p.m. CST

    The Road.. seriously?

    by tailhook

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 1:46 p.m. CST

    No really.. just for emphasis.. THE ROAD?

    by tailhook

    What a piece of shit film. There is no saving that one and its nice to run into the *1* person that liked that turd.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 1:46 p.m. CST

    Glad this theater is in a mall...

    by ScaryWaitress

    I could pick up some thongs at Victoria's Secret, so it feels like I accomplished something this afternoon... So, for the Avatar 3-D experience, do I want to sit farther back in the theater than normal? I'm usually fifth row back, dead center...

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 1:52 p.m. CST

    Imagine if Blomkamp could have done the SW prequels

    by ColonelFatheart

    And Lucas was only responsible for "story" and not screenplay. That would have been awesome. Oh well, fever dreams.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 1:52 p.m. CST

    I was one of the few who LOVED Brick.

    by ScaryWaitress

    TOTALLY due to Gordon-Levitt... who is the only actor who should be allowed to play Spike, should they make the mistake of doing a live-action Cowboy Bebop. Keanu is NO SPIKE.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 1:53 p.m. CST

    Let Blomkamp pull a PJ and do Dune

    by ColonelFatheart

    Split it into two movies. Instant classic.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 1:57 p.m. CST

    hrv1004

    by Series7

    Wow I was really worried about a guy who isn't even a talk backer thought about me? <P> I haven't even seen IB, just going off what I know about it. QT meant for it to be a renter, so I will treat it as such. <P> Also just WHAT dialog in Up In Air was good? The part were Clooney tells you, "your gonna like the way you look in our suits?" Or the part that some Ivoy league top of her class graduate doesn't even know how to travel? The terrible rip off of You are Not Your Kakis speech? The part JUST when something real is about to happen between the girl/cloons/JK then the director can't handle real emotion so he quickly cuts to something else. Or the fact that he uses the idea of unemployment as just a backdrop to a lame love story where the ending wasn't that big of a schocker? Or the fact that the book was written in 2001, before 9-11, and Airport travel is NO WHERE NEAR what it was back in 2001. Or did you enjoy the AMAZING SHOTS of middle America, that save for the one shot of the airplane tire could've been any fucking plane flight you've ever taken just sticking your camera out the window as it lands/takes off. <P> SHOW ME SPECIFIC details of WHY is has "the best dialogue written this year"? I mean the WHOLE FUCKING THING was just a series of commercials. <P> And honestly, who the fuck walks through the metal detactor holding out their boarding pass like are a Kindergartner? <P> The movie is just proof that Hollywood (and critics) like to think they have SOME clue of how real life works. And so they want to give each other hand jobs about how great it is. <P> I mean I may be wrong about this, but in what context does a job like that really exist? That isn't just on a state level? Why does Cloondawg have an office bigger then his apartment when he's not in the office 90% of the time? Why is his boss a fucking idiot who only grows 5 days worth of facial hair while everyone else is very clean cut. Why did they cast a 12 year old in the role of a college graduate.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 2:01 p.m. CST

    ScaryWaitress

    by DrMorbius

    Depends on the size of the screen. Dead center, yes, fifth row does sound a little too close though.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 2:02 p.m. CST

    Knowing is awesome

    by MattmanReturns

    It's the A.I. of this year.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 2:04 p.m. CST

    Knowing is awesome

    by Series7

    Much better then I thought it would be. Have faith in the Cage.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 2:04 p.m. CST

    why does everyone love Up so much?

    by Flea Circus

    It was just a muddled film to me. After the old to young montage it was pointless. Does every film after ET have to be the same old tired "boy needs a father" movie? also: District-9? I hate to be a jerk but Blomkamp has so far shown himself to be a one trick pony, his short film and feature work are identical and when he tried to make Halo it was fucking identical to his shorts. This has been a shit year for good movies but when this site is advocating District-9 as "the best", sorry, the only reason Avatar isn't at the top of this list is because of self- conscious geek reviewer shit, like throwing "Fish Story" in there.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 2:05 p.m. CST

    Dr. Morbius...

    by ScaryWaitress

    I like the screen to totally fill my vision, is all.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 2:06 p.m. CST

    ...KNOWING is complete pleasant mediocrity until...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...the last five minutes. Never expected that pleasant puff ball of a movie to grow a pair of balls all of a sudden like that.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 2:08 p.m. CST

    ...Flea Circus, I was about to explain UP to you...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...and then I took a look at your complaints.<P>I think I'd have better luck explaining how to find the clitoris.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 2:09 p.m. CST

    Great Dark Knight video....

    by jaysin420

    http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/TheDogPound/news/?a=13287

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 2:10 p.m. CST

    Flea Circus

    by ColonelFatheart

    Yep, that's all UP was about. Fool.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 2:12 p.m. CST

    ScaryWaitress

    by DrMorbius

    Depends pm which format/type of 3-D glasses they use. My theater had real nice Dolby Digital glasses, but they had a large frame, so I had to sit back a little farther back than usual for me.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 2:12 p.m. CST

    Where's your Best of the Decade list, Massa?

    by ColonelFatheart

    I'd love to see your list, as well as the other staffers'. I just hope you don't put it out in four, self-important installments like Beaks did.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 2:12 p.m. CST

    enough of these fucking lists already

    by HaterofCrap

    not one of them has had an interesting opinion...just a bunch of stock bullshit. district 9 and avatar good? i could fucking film one of my floating fucking turds and make a more compelling and less painful movie. can't believe people are getting excited over a movie in which a big moment is when the main guy gets his +310% speed flying mount.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 2:13 p.m. CST

    Knowing got a bit muddles for me but I will admit

    by skimn

    the plane crash scene and Cage walking though the crash site..yes, I know it was GCI..yes, fire doesn't look just that way..but damn, that was a powerful and well done scene.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 2:17 p.m. CST

    MENTALDOMINANCE

    by Series7

    SOOOO what is it you like then? All hate is bad. I hear it leads to fear.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 2:18 p.m. CST

    Knowing was great

    by Series7

    Because that Austraillian bitch got a proper ending. God she was annoying.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 2:19 p.m. CST

    ColonelFatheart, FlickaPoo

    by Flea Circus

    Colonel: Up was supposed to be a muddled, that's its strength? That the most cliche story line in family movies is what makes the movie good? Flicka: a lame joke isn't a point winner, also are you saying you don't know where a clit is but you know what's good about Up?

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 2:19 p.m. CST

    and then in the end...

    by JettL93

    it's family and friends, loving yourself, but not only yourself. It's about the good walk and the hard walk and the young girls you've made cry, it's about making a little music everyday till you die... It's a beautiful ride!

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 2:20 p.m. CST

    Knowing...

    by AmericanWerewolf

    Really, Dominance? 2 types of people? How 'bout I'm a fan of Alex Proyas and Nic Cage, but Knowing didn't quite do it for me.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 2:23 p.m. CST

    Avatar was more cartoon-ish than Up...

    by conspiracy

    Yes Avatar was entertaining, and pretty...by far the best popcorn film of the year; but the story and the characters were as complex and deep as a Mid 80's Saturday morning cartoon...reminded me of Thundar the Barbarian with cutting edge 3D visuals. In fact...those horses looked like Thundar the Barbarians ride.</p><p>So yes...I admit Avatar was fun on a big screen with 3D...but I just don't see myself watching it at home over and over again. It is not a "Game Changer" just really state of the Art, it is doing great box office...but it simply isn't the cultural phenomenon that a film like star Wars was as unlike that franchise it isn't really THAT different from what we've seen before. It is the Captain Crunch of Sci-Fi movies...yummy...but no nutritional value at all.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 2:24 p.m. CST

    Hey! Jett's here!

    by skimn

    And the drugs are kicking in!

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 2:25 p.m. CST

    taking Woodstock? really ? Avatar? really? the best?

    by ndally

    taking woodstock was a horrible film. an ending that felt shlocky and a movie that felt like it was trying to be more. plus if you do a little research you'll find that the main character lied about 90% of his expeirences according to others involved. Avatar sucked and while watching I couldn't beleive what I was witnessing the forget the story the acting and dialouge were so bad I had to see if mr Lucas had a hand in writing it. ugh D9 and UP were great but the hype for avatar is unjustified. The music is Avatar was not very good to say the least another auto-pilot score for James Horner. That movie needed a great score to over compensate for everything else that was wrong but instead we got re used themes for Apocoltypo(yes typo) etc. I feel out of touch with the movie going public since this movie is doing so well at the B.O

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 2:26 p.m. CST

    Flea Circus

    by ColonelFatheart

    How was UP muddled? There was the main narrative involving Carl and his quest, and these things called subplots (good novels and good movies have them) involving, separately, Muntz and Russell. They all converged in the end in terms of theme, character and incident. The fact that they were handled with such grace, elegance and genuine emotion in a purported children's movie that runs just over 90 minutes is a triumph.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 2:26 p.m. CST

    Confuse Knowing with Day Earth Stood Still

    by estacado1

    I watched both a few months ago and forgot what the difference was. One has Keanu, the other is Cage, but both have something to do with aliens ending the world.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 2:26 p.m. CST

    Wow, no Watchmen here either

    by saber12

    Sad sad day.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 2:27 p.m. CST

    Future Films to Anticipate

    by BubbaDestructo

    Like Massa, I loved this year for genre films - we really can't complain with 3 very different yet ambitious sci-fi flicks, some great character-driven films, and some wonderful animated movies. <p> Now what? besides The Hobbit (and perhaps Shutter Island), I can't think of any *big* films to look forward to in the future. <p> Any suggestions?

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 2:28 p.m. CST

    ...Flea Circus, old joke, but spot on in your case...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...Carl's relationship with his wife...as kids, as a young married couple...as life takes over and swamps their dreams...when they are unable to have a child...when she dies...Carl's relationship with his dead wife as symbolized by dragging the house around...are the heart and soul of UP.<P>If you don't understand these things then you have obviously never loved anyone...if you've found the clitoris it must just be with prostitutes.<P>Good luck with life...you're going to need it.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 2:29 p.m. CST

    flicka

    by Series7

    I kind of hated how you didn't see the kid on the porch when it clearly flys by the screen. Its just seemed really weak from Pixar.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 2:30 p.m. CST

    I say

    by Series7

    Up is probably my 4th favorite animated film of the year. And I haven't seen Fan Fox or Max and Mary yet.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 2:31 p.m. CST

    ...Series7...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...I know you do...and it's OK to hate that one thing.<P>But letting that spoil one of the best and most affecting love stories in recent memory would be a damn shame...

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 2:31 p.m. CST

    FlickaPoo

    by Series7

    Soo wait the house we a dead body?

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 2:33 p.m. CST

    No it didn't spoil it

    by Series7

    I just thought the movie felt kind of rushed for Pixar. Like they had an amazing first half then a so so second half.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 2:34 p.m. CST

    ColonelFatheart

    by Flea Circus

    I agree that Up was amazing until they land on the island and everything else after for me was just an add on, unnecessary, Carl's quest was to get there but then it became about mad science and talking dogs... and I think it could have been an amazing short film or maybe like Dumbo only 64 minutes, I personally felt like the rest was just tacked on to get a feature running time out of the movie. This is Pixar they can make a rat cooking work for all three acts they can do the same in Up.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 2:34 p.m. CST

    ...I assume you're pulling my leg, but...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...the house is their life together...the wife...their life...everything.<P>Those long shots of Carl struggling to drag the house to their shared dream spot as the balloons slowly lose steam wreck me.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 2:35 p.m. CST

    UP

    by AmericanWerewolf

    I'm hardly the best qualified to explain what was good about Up, but for those having trouble getting it, it's a simple adventure story well told, with appealing characters. We get to know this old man and see how his worldview changes when he dares to chase his dreams. It conveys a sense of excitement at leaving the mundane behind that I didn't find annoying at all. If that's not for you, congratulations on being a jaded asshole. Yer one in a million at this site.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 2:38 p.m. CST

    AVATAR crossed $800M world wide today

    by jsscript2007

    Execs are now saying Cameron will own #1 with Titanic and #2 with Avatar.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 2:39 p.m. CST

    When Carl reopens the "adventure" book

    by skimn

    and finds the message his wife left tears me up everytime.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 2:39 p.m. CST

    Flea Circus

    by ColonelFatheart

    No, the third act was Carl's chance to redeem himself and, well, grow up. He came to terms with his hero, and found an obsessed, bitter man, living alone with memories of past glory and regrets of dreams never achieved. By confronting Muntz, Carl confronts and overcomes himself, and he's reminded, through Kevin's need to get back to her chicks and Russell's need for a father figure, of the love he once had and the children he and Ellie were never able to have. It's a fun, exhilarating and necessary end to a beautiful fucking movie.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 2:39 p.m. CST

    FlickaPoo

    by Flea Circus

    I'm proud of you for noticing symbolism in films that's why people put it in there. I saw that too. but if you can explain to me what the shared dreams of this charming couple has to do with their childhood hero becoming a mad scientist who has talking dogs has to do with that you'll change my mind.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 2:39 p.m. CST

    ...^that's because ScaryWaitress is seeing it right now...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...give'em hell Scary.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 2:40 p.m. CST

    Up

    by MajorUndeclared

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 2:41 p.m. CST

    THE BEST FILM of 2009 THAT I SAW WAS:

    by uberman

    THE HURT LOCKER (I have yet to see Lovely Bones and The Road)

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 2:43 p.m. CST

    Up Chuck

    by MajorUndeclared

    I don't think Up was made for children or for adults. Does everyone love it because it was a challenging movie while being a cartoon. Boring. I for one would like to see a reviewer with the balls to not put a pixar movie in their top ten every year. oh wait, you can on review-spew.com. sorry shameless plug.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 2:43 p.m. CST

    listen...

    by batteredchappedpussy

    I know Im in the minority on star trek. but i didnt hate it, I just didnt love it. huge abrams fan, but it felt boring to me. too much hype? not sure but it just didnt do it for me.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 2:47 p.m. CST

    Avatar kicking the worlds ass

    by saber12

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 2:48 p.m. CST

    ScaryWaitress pushed Avatar over...

    by DrMorbius

    the 800 million mark, Cake and Ice Cream at Flicka's house to follow!

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 2:48 p.m. CST

    ...Flea Circus, ok, here goes...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...the couple meet...their shared dreams cause them to fall in love...they begin a life together.<P>Life gets complicated...dreams get put off...new dreams arise (having children)...and come crashing down (infertility).<P>Wife dies...Carl grows bitter.<P>Plot kicks in...Carl goes on adventure to fulfill shared childhood dream...both for himself and for his dead wife.<P>Carl fulfills childhood dream...and runs into childhood hero...who turns out to be a villain.<P>So, absolutely go for your dreams, but the real world is still the real world. Childhood heros aren't all their cracked up to be. The childhood hero turning out to be the villain is one of the best parts...the smack of reality that keeps achieving the childhood dream from being just another saccharin kid movie moment.<P>You're complaining about one of the things that makes UP a movie for adults...not just kids.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 2:50 p.m. CST

    flick a poo

    by MajorUndeclared

    how profound, am i supposed to forget about the filler of talking dogs and saving a bird? little boring if you ask me.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 2:53 p.m. CST

    The talking dogs in UP

    by ColonelFatheart

    Were hilarious and, dare I say, cute. Get over it, people.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 2:54 p.m. CST

    Using the Transformer apology for D9...

    by Immortal_Fish

    ...is beyond lame and betrays one's inability to prove why D9 is a respectable movie that deserves to be called one of this year's greatest.<P>Again, I enjoyed the hell out of it the first time I saw it. Lightning rifles, walking mechs, and heads going "pop!" What's not to love? But then I watched it a second time and the numerous plot conveniences just wore me down to the point where it pissed me off that I was so easily fooled the first time around. It no longer mattered how cool it looked. The film distracted me with bright, pretty lights and assumed I was unable to think through the gaping plot conveniences. I don't like that. The Transformer movies looked cool too, but they were awful. And they committed the same crime. For example -- Optimus pressed up against the house in order to hide from Sam's parents instead of, I dunno, transforming and parking out on the street?! D9 was more subtle than Transformers, but both expected to get away with insulting my intelligence.<P>It is respectable that there were so many cool effects for such comparably little financial investment. Doesn't make D9 one of the greatest movies of 2009.<P>It is respectable that an unknown actor was able to carry the film. Doesn't make D9 one of the greatest movies of 2009.<P>It is respectable that an unproven director was able to make serious bank on a brand new property. Doesn't make D9 one of the greatest movies of 2009.<P>Kick-ass effects, airborne severed limbs, and even naked titties should never succeed in preventing you from calling out a poor movie for what it is. If you liked it, great. Enjoy. But I'm entitled to express my opinion too.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 2:54 p.m. CST

    fatty

    by MajorUndeclared

    are you seven?

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 2:54 p.m. CST

    ...MajorUndeclared, do I have to explain everything?...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...the dogs are the one element tossed in just for fun. The villain is an inventor, so it's perfectly valid.<P>The bird is the specimen the childhood hero/villain was hunting in the first place. And the bird is the villain's dream...his childhood obsession to mirror Carl's. It fits together like a Swiss fucking watch...

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 2:55 p.m. CST

    And if you're that put off by the talking dogs ...

    by ColonelFatheart

    ... and they ruin the rest of the movie for you, then you're probably an extremely nitpicky, uptight asshole. I'm a nitpicker myself, but I'd never let something like that ruin something I found otherwise beautiful.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 2:57 p.m. CST

    Flicka

    by MajorUndeclared

    Did you write you thesis paper on Up? Your next project is Freud's impact on Coraline...

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 2:57 p.m. CST

    ...that's it kids. Cut and paste my posts together...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...and use them as the outline for your end of semester term paper.<P>You'll get an A.<P> Class dismissed.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 2:59 p.m. CST

    ...MajorUndeclared, that's from one viewing...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...it's right there on the screen for all to see.<P>This is supposed to be a site for movie lovers.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 2:59 p.m. CST

    Up and at them

    by MajorUndeclared

    i can see it now. "But teacher, some guy with poo in his name told me I'd get a good grade..." nice.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 3:02 p.m. CST

    ...Major, tell your teacher I gave you some tips...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...she'll know me by name and won't hold it against you.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 3:03 p.m. CST

    ColonelFatheart

    by Flea Circus

    You've clearly thought about this movie and those things worked for you, for me it didn't the same themes could have been explored and discovered with turning into a more cliche movie. Again let's look at Ratatouille Brad Bird removed an action set pieces because it worked against his movie, and I think that movie has a stunning ending. It didn't need a sprawling action scene to feel the emotion. Miyazaki does the same often as well letting smaller moments work. Couldn't Up have worked just as well if not better if Carl by his own realization, or actions decides to take this boy back home, he stops being selfish by his own doing not just because Dr. Evil happened to be sharing an island with him?

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 3:04 p.m. CST

    Am I the only mofo who has to see some 2009 films late?

    by reflecto

    Unless I want to brave the subways tonight (which I don't) I have to see Avatar, White Ribbon, Dr. Parnassus, Police Adjective and Up In The Air this weekend. I feel like an amateur. But I am seeing Tetro tonight.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 3:04 p.m. CST

    Immortal_Fish

    by Viewer 3

    You pretty much hammered home my point. When a movie ASSUMES that you don't have a brain and will just accept what you're given... that's where I draw the line. When a movie ASSUMES that I'll just say "Oh well, it's a movie, it's meant to be fun, it doesn't have to ALL make sense...", that's when I lose respect for something. Again, it was a bold venture, just came up short in the substance department.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 3:05 p.m. CST

    ...Flea Circus, now that's a valid argument...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...your describing a different movie though...maybe you should make your version yourself.<P>I'd watch it.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 3:05 p.m. CST

    BTW Moon was faux-indie mainstream scifi

    by reflecto

    Fun but not special. Right down to the silly ending.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 3:06 p.m. CST

    ..."you're describing".

    by FlickaPoo

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 3:08 p.m. CST

    ...reflecto, I get to see almost nothing...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...until it comes out on DVD. The fact that I haven't been run out of here on a rail yet still amazes me.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 3:09 p.m. CST

    MajorUndeclared

    by DrMorbius

    The teacher would find it quite refreshing after your "Fascination with my Feces and Felching."

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 3:11 p.m. CST

    As one who loved both Knowing and Avatar...

    by tailhook

    I agree The Hurt Locker was a much better film than either of those two.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 3:13 p.m. CST

    Mad scientists and talking dogs

    by skimn

    Muntz had no one in his life but his dogs and his pursuit of adventure. As he grew old alone and bitter, his dogs became his children. His invention of a talking device gave him "human" companionship (and a comic device for the film), but of course not the actual human contact he seperated himself from. Carl and Muntz are not that far apart in terms of isolation and lack of companionship. They are also obsessed with their quests. Carl starts to value the companionship of Russell and cares about Kevin's well being when he realizes his childhood hero is obsessed to the point of insanity.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 3:18 p.m. CST

    ...UP. How do people not see that after the world class...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...love story, UP gives you two old coots chasing their childhood dream/obsession.<P>Carl is going about it out of love for his dead wife...and the villain is chasing the bird (his dream) out of obsession, vanity, and malice.<P>So we have a showdown between tow old goats...both chasing dreams...one for good reasons and one for bad.<P>People who say the bird serves no purpose baffle me.<P>Bird is to villain what getting the house to the falls is to hero.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 3:19 p.m. CST

    No Harry potter, eh?

    by saber12

    After all that ass kissing, you'd think it would be up there.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 3:21 p.m. CST

    Star Trek hate...

    by seniorspeilbergio

    I didn't like the movie either and I would have been fine with shrugging my shoulders and moving on but what we got from the people that liked it, was what seemed a cncerted effort by it's supporters to belittle and humiliate those who just didn't care for it. I remember for instance, more than once, that Onion video about Star Trek Critics not liking it for being "exciting"; being at the end of more than one article. Was that the writers of this sites' way of saying, if you don't like this movie you're a boring, nitpicking, joyless nerd? That's fine for the talkbackers here to sling mud but the site contributers? Star Trek has been acussed of being "boring" for decades. Pretty much ever since Star Wars showed up. But "boring" in Star Trek just means more cereberal than Star Wars. No, it's not 2001 but what it's been since 1977 is an alternative to Star Wars. I like both and I don't need them blended into one and the same. Is that okay? Is it alright that I want things like that? Or does there have to be a concerted effort by other passionate film geeks who happen to disagree with me, to point there fingers at me in the town square and call me a boring loser? The fact that we got film geeks ridiculing other film geeks on THIS LEVEL is just sad really. It almost feels like part of the marketing campaign for the film. Like a marketing mandate to quell any dissention among Treks' vaunted "built in audience" so those opening weekend numbers don't get fucked with. Like I said, doing that shit in the Talkbacks is one thing but when it's comming from Harry and the rest; it just makes me hang my head in shame.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 3:22 p.m. CST

    ...skimn, precisely, and...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...Muntz is a cautionary tale of what happens if you selfishly pursue your drams at all costs.<P>Carl gave up his dream and had a real and meaningful life with his wife. He could have been Muntz...had he been willing to skip town on his wife and responsibilities...

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 3:27 p.m. CST

    FlickaPoo, bravo; Flea Circus, I love Ratatouille, too

    by ColonelFatheart

    Flicka: You've nailed it over and over again when it comes to up. Flea: Ratatouille works that way because it's about self-discovery in completely different ways than UP is. Namely, Ratatouille is about the art of cooking while UP is about adventure. A zany, action-adventure end to Ratatouille would have felt dishonest. It fits in UP.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 3:33 p.m. CST

    Samson went back to bed, not much hair left on his head

    by JettL93

    he ate a slice of wonder bread and then went back to bed. You are my sweetest downfall, I loved you first

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 3:36 p.m. CST

    I love Dug the dog.

    by AmericanWerewolf

    He's fuckin' awesome.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 3:38 p.m. CST

    one of the worst years for movies

    by brabon300

    mostly due to the economic downturn, which caused studios to go with safe bets or remakes

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 3:39 p.m. CST

    ...thanks ColonelFatheart...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...and when I first saw RATATOUILLE I didn't like it very much. I think I missed the point when I first saw it (that and I'm not crazy about Patton Oswalt). Saw it again and it's really growing on me...your comparison to UP is spot on.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 3:41 p.m. CST

    ...non-existent JettL93...I'm glad to see you embracing...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...your new Messianic role. Keep up the crazy prophecy...best of luck in the new year.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 3:42 p.m. CST

    Also, similarities between endings of UP and Ratatouille

    by ColonelFatheart

    Both included animals doing hilariously implausible things (thousands rats cooking; talking dogs flying biplanes), and both featured old men recapturing their sense of wonder and humanity.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 3:42 p.m. CST

    bromance?

    by MajorUndeclared

    you guys wanna get a room and see what comes up?

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 3:45 p.m. CST

    I took you to bestbuy, you took me home to meet your Mom & Dad

    by JettL93

    Girl, if you're wondering if I want you to... I want you too! I swear it's true, without you my heart is blue

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 3:46 p.m. CST

    FlickaPoo...wasnt it carl's wife

    by brabon300

    who gave up her dreams? carl was always content just to be with her, even after the miscarriage (first time a miscarriage was ever alluded to in an animated film)<p> to me, up was the most mature pixar film to date

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 3:48 p.m. CST

    ...MajorUndeclared, did I see you plug a review site...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...up there? I really hope you understand most movies better than you do UP.<P>I still feel Christmasy...I'm going to give you the benefit out the doubt.<P>Oh, and you should have capitalized "up" at the end of your post...would have been funnier.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 3:49 p.m. CST

    EARTH IS ON AN AXIS

    by JettL93

    EARTH IS on A FUCKING ACCESS !

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 3:53 p.m. CST

    ...brabon300 I'd say it was a shared dream...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...don't you think? The dream of adventure is what got them together in the first place. They both loved each other more than the dream though...true love.<P>Yeah, how about that miscarriage? Can I have your heart for a second?...here, I'm just going to drop it in this blender here for a minute...you won't be needing this anymore...

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 3:55 p.m. CST

    Flicker

    by MajorUndeclared

    I'm sorry I just have never got into Pixar movies. Incredibles was funny cuz i'm a superhero dork but cars, nemo, and up have completely lost me. I just can't see what all the love is about.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 3:55 p.m. CST

    Remember me, cause i'm the one that made you see

    by JettL93

    ...Remember Me

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 4 p.m. CST

    You want the guy to be John Carpenter?

    by saber12

    He hasn't been relevant in about a dozen years.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 4:15 p.m. CST

    saber12 c'mon bub

    by skimn

    He means the Carpenter when Halloween came out of nowhere, and when Scott's Alien grabbed everyone's attention. They took basic B movie ideas and elevated them to art.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 4:19 p.m. CST

    Hey dumbass- Roddenberry never meant Trek to be a "popcorn movie

    by darthwaz1

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 4:20 p.m. CST

    skimn

    by saber12

    um, so did Lucas.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 4:21 p.m. CST

    totally agree about Dist. 9 though!

    by darthwaz1

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 4:25 p.m. CST

    Star Trek and District 9

    by Tom_Bombadil

    I have been a fan of Trek for many years. But I am one of the few that didn't like this Star Trek movie. It was boring. Yes, boring. District 9 I walked out of the theater and got my money back on. What the heck was so good about it?

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 4:31 p.m. CST

    NO BLACK DYNAMITE???

    by Napolean Solo

    What the EFF was everyone smoking this year?

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 4:32 p.m. CST

    saber12

    by skimn

    agreed. What was our point again?

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 4:40 p.m. CST

    Trek boring?

    by AmericanWerewolf

    How can you say you're a fan and find the movie boring? Um, oookay. To me, the most stirring to happen in movies in years was watching the crew come together for the first time.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 4:48 p.m. CST

    princess and the frog > Up

    by knowthyself

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 4:53 p.m. CST

    All the love for Pixar.

    by AmericanWerewolf

    Cuz Pixar movies are like warm, colorful cinematic hugs. I'm not gonna overanalyze it, but these movies- especially the last few features- are like time spent with dear friends. I figure this streak can't run forever, but so far they have been consistently entertaining. Saying you don't get the appeal makes it sound like you're insisting on your status as a rugged individual.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 4:57 p.m. CST

    Hey great top ten!

    by Weapon M

    I like these reviews. I think they are reasonable. I would very much like to see Fish Story! If it was that great, there should have been some effort to bring it here to the states in some capacity.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 5:03 p.m. CST

    Sorry add me to the list -Star Trek SUCKED

    by 900LBGorilla

    Four People didn’t like this? I know you said you were exaggerating Mass, but my question is how can more than four people REALLY LIKE this movie (other than as a guilty pleasure). <p> A piss-poor story filled with cheesy and repetitive action (how many times does Kirk fall in this anyway?) and almost fart-joke level comedy. This movie outright sucked. <p> I wanted to like it, liked Abrams in the past, and loved the young crew concept …but other than great production values and some decent casting, this movie had almost nothing. <p> People keep saying how great this was, but the movie had very little over this years Transformers. It’s a damn shame, but the trans warp teleporting, the utterly and uniformly idiotic group of meaningless Hoth scenes (from the phantom menace bigger fish rip off, to the Spock happens to be in that cave you wandered into), to the outright stupid Willy Wonka scene, the boringly poor Villain, and on to the mystery science theatre-worthy fat-hands Kirk action scene, capped off by the Saturday morning cartoon “Kirk is now captain right out of college” ending dragged this film into one of the most disappointingly bad films I can remember having the misfortune of watching. <p> Just having this tripe on a top ten list causes it’s stench to rub off on rest of eth movies surrounding it.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 5:04 p.m. CST

    Sorry Mass, Trek was a goddamn steaming mess

    by Cash907

    and this is the first time I've mentioned it in talkbacks. It's a popcorn movie that craps all over the original spirit of Trek, and I can't forgive that.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 5:13 p.m. CST

    HAPPY NEW YEAR HOLY SHIIIIT

    by saber12

    We got IRON MAN 2!!!! Tron 2!!! Some other fucking movies YEAHHHH!!!

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 5:14 p.m. CST

    Finally Sanity! NO Inglorious WANKsterds in a list!

    by quantize

    P O S film. In no way deserves to be in a top ten of last year with so many fine choices. Inglorious Basters WISHES it could be a fraction as good as something like Bronson (which is just A Clockwork Orange retold!)

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 5:17 p.m. CST

    Massywrm is an idiot

    by baghead

    You easily have the worst taste on this site. Stop contributing. I hate you. Loser.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 5:28 p.m. CST

    4, 6, 10, 20 who hate ST, who fucking cares

    by quantize

    Humorless cunts either way.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 5:29 p.m. CST

    baghead

    by quantize

    please do put a sealed bag on your head and stop breathing.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 5:30 p.m. CST

    'a cncerted effort by it's supporters to belittle and humiliate'

    by quantize

    you need to go wash your pussy...what the fuck?! grow up.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 5:34 p.m. CST

    Baghead, no

    by MattmanReturns

    Beaks has the worst taste. Anyone who puts Bring It On and Jackass above Dark Knight needs to turn in their critic license.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 5:38 p.m. CST

    Star Trek? Really? Because, it really did suck.

    by Negative Man

    I know, I know. I'm one of the few. But Star Trek was never a 'leave your mind at the door and enjoy the ride' franchise. So I didn't and my brain has not forgiven me. From the cartoonish comedy (Big hand, big tongued Kirk. The Willy Wonka Scotty in the coolant tubes water ride scene) to the Three's Company level withholding information moments (Uhura not informing Star Fleet of dozens of Klingon ships being destroyed by some super weapon, Old Spock not hauling ass to the Star Fleet outpost to inform them of Nero's intentions). The Hand of God moments (Kirk being transported within hundreds of feet of Old Spock. The papa-Kirk helmed U.S.S. Kelvin happening to be in the same spot Nero's ship appears) and the just illogic of character motivations (Nero being blasted hundreds of years back in time with a MINING vessel more powerful than anything in the galaxy and knowing future history, then decides to sit around for DECADES waiting for Spock to pop into reality. Why not warn his beloved Romulus? Allow them to reverse engineer his ship and use his knowledge of future history to conquer the entire universe? They could keep the Red Matter in storage until the time their sun would go nova and save their home world). There was way too much dumb in this outing. Too much idiot story telling that could have been fixed by anyone who knew anything about how to write. Who know about pacing and character development. It was a waste of acting talent and audience time. It was Star Trek for the Bumblebee peeing on some guy generation.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 5:39 p.m. CST

    "Star Trek sucked. Star Trek was awesome." rinse and repeat

    by MattmanReturns

    Boring.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 5:44 p.m. CST

    Damnit, 900LBGorilla!!!

    by Negative Man

    If I knew you were going to post so similar to me, I wouldn't have bothered. HA!

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 5:44 p.m. CST

    Just saw Avatar again...4th time and it just gets better

    by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks

    I furkin love it. <p> Thankyou James Cameron for finally giving me a film where a guy is such a bad-ass he evacuates a crashing space ship by jumping out as it hits the ground in a mech-suit with his shoulder on fire. <p> Fuck me... some cliches there, but I honestly don't care as the greatest action director the world has ever seen makes another instant classic. Yes it's referential to his own work...so was Hitchcock, another master manipulator. <p> Not just my favorite sci-fi of the decade but also my favorite action movie since True Lies. <p> Long Live The King!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 5:57 p.m. CST

    Avatar Worldwide Box Office: $745,078,899

    by snakecharmer

    It keeps doing $18-19 million on weekdays.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 6:01 p.m. CST

    Black Dynomite made my top 10 list

    by JettL93

    then of course i'm more of a hollywood insider then most, so i'm more exposed to smaller films, then your average AICN editor

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 6:17 p.m. CST

    I think Avatar will beat Dark Knight!!!

    by saber12

    Cameron will have 1 and 2 top GROSSING films of all TIME BABY!!!

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 6:22 p.m. CST

    I just popped my Avatar cherry (yes, in 3-D)

    by ScaryWaitress

    OK, so... THAT was a hell of a ride. I had a FUCKING BLAST on Pandora. Now, if only we could have had a story that made ANY sense, or characters with a little more depth than the characters in Thundercats, we would have had something great... <P> For all those who will call me a hater for saying this- all the "you went in expecting to hate it so you hated it-" let me set the record straight. MY EYES WERE FUCKED. The graphics, the 3-d experience (and it WAS an experience) were STUNNING. I loved every minute I spent in that world. My dearest regret, though, is that Cameron didn't spend a little LESS time world-building, and a little MORE time writing a story. The criticism that this is Dances With Wolves doesn't go far enough: THE ONLY REASON horses exist in this world is so Cameron could make a movie about Indians. PERIOD. And we all know it. <P> When I was in my teens, I thought I was a writer. I was going to write this big epic fantasy novel... and I would write the first three chapters, realize that there was no REASON for my story, and start over. My world became bigger and richer, but at the end of the day, all I had was this world. I didn't have a story to tell. That is EXACTLY what Avatar felt like. <P> This world- this movie- was all dressed up with no place to go. WHICH IS A REAL SHAME, because, with what this cost, we won't see its like again for a long time. <P> I LOVEd my time on Pandora, but there is NO reason to go back. Which makes me sad.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 6:26 p.m. CST

    Avatar: Multiple Viewings REQUIRED!!!

    by Darkplanet

    I'm going back for the second time and I know others who have already crossed the 3rd viewing mark. Anyone that doesn't put Avatar on their #1 spot is an arthouse movie snob! You simply can't deny that it has changed the course of movie making history in a profound way. District 9 was great but its still leagues behind AVATAR in terms of breaking a more profound mold. There are repercussions here I don't think many people understand (including many of the reviewers at AICN).

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 6:41 p.m. CST

    If only I had a squillion dollars, I'd give it all to Cameron

    by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks

    Then I'd say, "Make more movies beeyatch, and sign my poster!"

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 6:44 p.m. CST

    Darkplanet...

    by ScaryWaitress

    ...the only mold Avatar broke was technological. Period. While I agree that experiencing those visuals again might merit another viewing, I for one could not sit through that screenplay again. <P> Then again, Cameron is ripping from so many sources- including his own- I guess the second time around, you could go to see how many recycled characters and lines you could place... that might be amusing. <P> NO WAIT!!! Let's make it a drinking game. Every time you spot something you can trace back to a specific past movie, DRINK!

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  • Dec. 31, 2009, 6:52 p.m. CST

    ZOMBIELAND, Mass?

    by Logan_1973

    Easily my no. 1 of the year, and I've seen everything save for THE ROAD.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 6:53 p.m. CST

    ScaryWaitress...

    by Negative Man

    You can say that with most movies in general. Cameron doesn't try to pretend to be clever with the story telling. In fact, I think he meant to slap people in the face with it. He created an easy access allegory for the masses. Military/Big Corporation = Bad. Primitive Culture/Nature = Good. It was a highly polished Saturday morning cartoon. Loved it, but I took it as no more than that. But it did have a story. A beginning, middle and end that was all well told. Unlike nearly every other huge science fiction movie in 2009.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 6:55 p.m. CST

    And as my last post for the year of 2009...

    by Negative Man

    <p>HAPPY NEW YEARS ALL YOU WHINY BITCHES!</P><p>And I mean that with much love and goodwill. Hope 2010 is amazing for all of you! No matter if we agree or disagree.</P>

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 6:55 p.m. CST

    Up was good, but Coraline is better

    by BMacSmith

    too bad it was forgotten, or was that technically a 2008 movie? anyway, yeah, District 9 was a milestone. number one all the way

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 6:57 p.m. CST

    oh and Avatar was a bunch of smurfs and shitty dialogue

    by BMacSmith

    wasnt impressed.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 6:57 p.m. CST

    Negative... Happy New Year!

    by ScaryWaitress

    Oh, and you're 100% wrong. But I expect we'll take this up next year.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 6:59 p.m. CST

    UP was brilliant. Coraline was so boring I fell asleep.

    by ScaryWaitress

    What I didn't get about that movie was WHY they went through all that rouble to make it stop-motion, when it came out looking CG anyway? The thing I loved about Burton's stop-motion was that little bit of jerkiness. It made it feel kooky and a little creepy. Coraline could have used that, IMO.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 7:04 p.m. CST

    can someone explain whats so unique about Avatar?

    by BMacSmith

    i keep hearing about it being a milestone or whatever but why? nothing in the movie hasnt been done before. believable cg characters, awesome robots and epic effects, fleshed out scifi cg worlds, stereoscopic 3d... its all been done before. i dont get it. is it that this movie combined everything together in a generic storyline? thats not a milestone.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 7:05 p.m. CST

    HAHA - Bless you

    by critch

    You're a reviewer that rightly places Star Trek and Avatar above Moon, a movie so ignorant of science that it has it's character walk normally across the surface of the moon. A movie so well received by the public that it struggled to get to 5 million dollars worldwide. Donnie Darko 2009 this is. Star Trek, District 9, and Avatar will be remembered for years to come. Moon was forgotten a week after it came out.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 7:08 p.m. CST

    BMacSmith... did you see it in 3-D?

    by ScaryWaitress

    I agree with you 1000% on the fact that the story knocks it off any pedestal, but the visuals in that movie are CERTAINLY good enough to inspire adulation. That was fucking beautiful. <P> Technologically, that was ABSOLUTELY a game-changer.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 7:12 p.m. CST

    Moon - overrated shit

    by saber12

    pass.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 7:14 p.m. CST

    im not saying the visuals were bad, just nothing new

    by BMacSmith

    i found the stuff in Return of the King and the Pirates sequels and others just as cool, just not in 3d. i mean, he did a good job on it, but i didnt see anything that was a true gamechanger like Gollum was. it was just more glow in the dark and blue! at this point we can make whatever we want.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 7:24 p.m. CST

    BMac, I think the scale of it was the key...

    by ScaryWaitress

    ...and I think that they WAY they used 3-D was game-changing. They didn't make it a gimmick, they used it to suck you bodily into the screen, which I thought was new. <P> Sounds like we mostly agree, though.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 7:43 p.m. CST

    Ace of Wands

    by Massawyrm 1

    Are we talking about the #1 selling Blu-Ray at Amazon.com - the #3 title overall in Movies & TV? Is that the movie that dropped off of the cultural radar that you're talking about? The one with 104,000 votes at IMDB, on most Critic group top 10 lists and all over every Wal-mart and Best Buy in America? Is THAT the movie we're discussing? Because if it is, I really think you need to get that radar re-tuned...

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 7:44 p.m. CST

    Man I'm pissed wait too long to get D9

    by Series7

    And now its fokkin $30 at Best Buy. But I got some best buy bucks.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 7:46 p.m. CST

    damn_dirty_ape

    by Massawyrm 1

    That wasn't a star you were looking at, Astronaut. It was your boyfriends browneye. Now get back in there and find my keys. I want to go home.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 7:47 p.m. CST

    FlickaPoo

    by Series7

    You know I'm just jerkin your chain. But I again with what Massa said about the movie, that it was good, but kind of what you've grown to expect from Pixar didn't blow me away like Wall-e. <P> Keith David singing in Princess and the Frog, drops more panties when any diamond every did. So if you wanna get some action this christmas take your lady to that film and let the smooth sexy voice of Keith David do all the work. <P> WHO THE FUCK I SEE YOU (aka fucking My Heart Will Fuck off) gets nominated and the greatness that is Keith David gets missed? I hope every man that didn't vote for that gets there balls removed.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 7:47 p.m. CST

    Massawyrm

    by Series7

    How is Up In the Air, NOT the worst movie of the year? <P> Or do you have a platinum card at Men's Warehouse of Something?

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 7:48 p.m. CST

    by Series7

    Flick, WHO THE FUCK = HOW THE FUCK.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 7:50 p.m. CST

    Ace

    by Series7

    Yeah I can see what you are saying. Its just that final shot that gets to me, the one with the Prawn making the flower. Relating that back to the crap he's made for her. <P> See I'm married to and I make my wife shit like that all the time. <P> How do you compare that love story to the Avatar love story?

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 7:52 p.m. CST

    I like this list

    by HughJass

    District 9, Up, Moon, and Up in the Air are all in my top five for the year. But of course, the contrarian basement dwelling trolls of AICN find ways to say that those great films are terrible. I just don't get it. I can understand not finding them to be great, but calling some of them shit? I must have seen different versions of those movies.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 7:54 p.m. CST

    HughJass

    by Series7

    OK describe, in specifics why Up In the Air is CLASSIC. I've yet to here someone actually give specific reasons of how that movie is good. Just vague sounding attempts to get pull quotes.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 8:04 p.m. CST

    ...Series7...surely you're not suggesting that you were either..

    by FlickaPoo

    ...Flea Circus or MajorUndeclared?...you would have put UP a MUCH better fight I'm sure...<P>My girl does love that smoooth Keith David purr...and I'd hate to have to pick between UP and WALL-E...

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 8:07 p.m. CST

    No I've got one other handle

    by Series7

    But its too much of a pain to use it. I think I've only used it once. <P> I had a fag, Zombieheathledger, he created 2 other handles then act like 2 other dudes were calling me out. I was like???? WOW thats creepy.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 8:10 p.m. CST

    Also seriously

    by Series7

    I am perwon to like Randy Newman's stuff already. But he does none of the singing in the movie. Even the Neo song at the end I liked (though I actually like that guy too). But the music in Princess and the Frog seriously had me fucking tapping my foot like an idiot. It still boggles my mind how it wasn't even nominated for score and song at the Golden globes. Its like they are upset with Disney. <P> Princess and the Frog was so good. For me animated goes: Princess, Battle For Terra, Cloudy With a Chance, Up...everything else. Still need to see Fox and Max and Mary though.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 8:11 p.m. CST

    perwon = prone*

    by Series7

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 8:13 p.m. CST

    hay guys

    by animas

    i'm going to change my user name for 2010. not that anyone cares.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 8:15 p.m. CST

    ...animas, be sure to ask how to make paragraph...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...breaks at some point. I think it's tradition.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 8:18 p.m. CST

    District 9 will win Oscer for best FX

    by JettL93

    yes, avatar was more of a visial achievment, but District 9 will win based soley on what they did for how much money they had. Cameron needed half a billion to do what he did. Blomkamp did what he did on the budget of avatar's catering tables, that acheivment alone will be recognized in feb when the winners are announced

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 8:19 p.m. CST

    ...it's pretty to think so.

    by FlickaPoo

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 8:23 p.m. CST

    ...BATTLE FOR TERRA. Did that get a theatrical...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...release? I know nothing about it...how is this possible?<P>I like the search result images I'm seeing...

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 8:26 p.m. CST

    Star Trek heralded as an all time great????

    by Glory_Fades_ImMaxFischer

    God I hope you mean the tv show and previous movies because the only clowns still talking about about Mac Trek 90210 are the writers on this site.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 8:36 p.m. CST

    the new young turks

    by redrain

    "I want him to be our John Carpenter or Ridley Scott." thats a great line and a great list! thanks

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 8:40 p.m. CST

    List turned to shit from 5 onwards.....

    by TheWaqman

    Avatar's the only one I'd put up there. And also Taking Woodstock was pretty shit too, so eh this is poop.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 8:44 p.m. CST

    My top 10 rules, yah fuckers!!!

    by TheWaqman

    10. Enter the Void <p> 9. Men Who Stare At Goats <p> 8. Moon <p> 7. The Road <p> 6. Fantastic Mr. Fox (and I don't even like Wes Anderson) <p> 5. The White Ribbon <p> 4. Thirst <p> 3. Avatar <p> 2. Inglorious Basterds (Tarantino's best film easily, no pop music wankery either, only flaw was the obligatory foot fetish scene) <p> 1. The Hurt Locker <p> District 9 is shite, really just devolved into an Aliens rip-off after it's first interesting 20 minutes. Boooooring.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 8:45 p.m. CST

    Goats was better than Up in the Air....

    by TheWaqman

    not a fan of Ivan Reitman. Just seems like he's begging for Oscars.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 8:45 p.m. CST

    where

    by frank cotton

    did she say she didn't like it? idiot

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 8:54 p.m. CST

    ...I thought ScaryWaitress' review was honest and...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...heartfelt...but that's just me, I've got a thing for waitresses.<P>I usually go for sad yet sassy...but scary might be fuckin'A after a few drinks...

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 8:55 p.m. CST

    Okay, Massawyrm, take my STAR TREK challenge...

    by BurnHollywood

    ...If you dare.<p> Explain to me why that fifteen minute segment on Delta Vega isn't some of the laziest, sloppiest, most amateur SF ever committed to screen:<p> * Why would NewSpock strand NewKirk when the Enterprise has ALWAYS had a brig? <br> * What do you think the repercussions would be if a US Navy captain did the same to an insubordinate minion, stranding him on an island? I realize NewSpock is young and impassioned, but mentally challenged, too? <br> * How the fuck does NewKirk bump into OldSpock after five minutes of running on a Class M planet...THE ONE MAN IN THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE HE MOST NEEDS TO MEET? (Tell you what...let's go meet each other at midnight tonight...I'll run out my door, and you run out yours...see ya at 12:05) <br> * Why would Nero, who detested OldSpock with every fiber of his being, turn him loose instead of torturing him to death (Pike actually gets off worse!)? (Y'know, when Orci/Kurtzman ripped off the notion of watching your world die from STAR WARS [along with most of the plot], they forgot that Tarkin also planned to execute Leia) <br> * How is it that these two impossibly lucky individuals also have one more piece of googol-to-one fortune...Scotty's on Delta Vega, too! Another MOST IMPORTANT PERSON FOR KIRK TO MEET IN THE UNIVERSE! <br> * Why is Delta Vega described as being a backwater when it's RIGHT NEXT DOOR to Vulcan? Shouldn't it have a substantial Vulcan colony? Shouldn't it also be also crawling with fleeing Vulcan refugees? Seeing as this is probably as inhospitable as Vulcan was, is this now "Vulcan II"? <br> * Is Scotty now the most brilliant scientist in Star Trek history now? He actually invented a transporter that can beam a person several light years onto a ship moving at maximum warp! Take that, Zefram Cochrane! <br> * Will the next STAR TREK have way less starships, therefore? Who needs 'em when you can just establish transporter relays connecting every civilized Federation world! <p> And I probably missed a few more points, just in that one snippet...<p> Seriously dude...I'm getting really fucking tired of people excusing the impossibly shitty writing on this thing with terms like "popcorn movie" or whatever. If you have to make excuses, it shouldn't be on a Best Of Year list, now should it? "Stop thinking!" should NEVER be an edict when I'm being told this is the best the year had to offer and (in your case) this is supposed to actually be better than MOON!<p> I eagerly await your reply, Massa...

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 9:05 p.m. CST

    If we're talking Oscar for FX... Jett, you twatwaffle,

    by ScaryWaitress

    OF COURSE IT WILL BE FUCKING AVATAR. Shee-it, boy, you need to get those there oculars addressed by a medical professional. <P> Avatar's visuals are so good, not only should they sweep every Oscar they're up for, they should win again next year. I consider myself relatively difficult to impress, and Pandora was fucking impressive. D-9 was very convincing, but they didn't break any molds with that work. <P> Again, the sheer scope of this was mind-boggling. I restate my former lament... it SUCKS that Cameron shot his wad with this shit-ass "story" since no one is going to be able to blow $400M on another one of these.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 9:09 p.m. CST

    Oscar should go to Avatar or Trek

    by saber12

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 9:10 p.m. CST

    Oh, and one last revealing tidbit...

    by BurnHollywood

    Did you know that there was actually ANOTHER planet in the Star Trek universe named "Delta Vega", the setting for "Where No Man Has Gone Before" and clearly (from the explanation in the excellent Memory Alpha Wikia) not the same as in the movie? Here's Orci's explanation for recycling the name:<p> "We moved the planet to suit our purposes. The familiarity of the name seemed more important as an Easter egg, than a new name with no importance."<p> http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Delta_Vega_Vulcan_system<p> How's THAT for not giving a shit about continuity and canon, eh? Real "best of" class writing there, hey?

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 9:11 p.m. CST

    Laserpants - pay attention next time you watch D9...

    by grendel824

    ... because your "questions" about why the aliens wouldn't just revolt and do whatever they want is answered within the first 5 minutes, and it's not "because they like cat food." The movie straight up tells you that the aliens living in D9 are like "worker drones" and are easily ordered around by anyone. They stay docile because that's their natural state - very few get all that aggressive, and most are only interested in weapons to trade for food, not for using because they're not bred to fight (with a few exceptions, who are shown in the movie and get killed pretty quickly). Like it or don't for many reasons, but your ignorance of the plot is not a valid criticism.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 9:14 p.m. CST

    BurnHollywood... it's not that I don't agree with you...

    by ScaryWaitress

    ...it's that your posts are so fucking long.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 9:15 p.m. CST

    Ace of Wands...

    by ScaryWaitress

    Learn to read. <P> frank cotton can do it... why can't you? (Thanks frank. Extra pie for you, on the house.)

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 9:16 p.m. CST

    TheWaqman

    by BurnHollywood

    BASTERDS was a mess. Re-watch DOGS, FICTION and BROWN again and maybe you'll see what I'm talking about.<p> Despite my flack over TREK, Massawyrm gets points for not including that time-waster.<p> But combining foot-fetish with a woman's death scene was possibly breaking new ground, I'll give you that. Pedonecrophilia, they'll call it...

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 9:17 p.m. CST

    ScaryWaitress

    by BurnHollywood

    You're going to have to move on from SEE SPOT RUN sooner or later...

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 9:19 p.m. CST

    ...and finally, Flickapoo...

    by ScaryWaitress

    I can't tell if you're being sarcastic, or blowing smoke up my ass... but as to whatever you're suggesting in that last part, WHAT kind of girl do you think I AM???

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 9:21 p.m. CST

    But kidding aside, ScaryWaitress...

    by BurnHollywood

    While I can quantify in excruciating, agonizing, eye-gouging detail why TREK and BASTERDS were junk, I've yet to see anyone take up my challenge on even brief plot points.<p> What this tells me is that these emperor's have not a fucking stitch on, and their fans know it. They're being impulsive and superficial instead of objective.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 9:22 p.m. CST

    Burn, baby...

    by ScaryWaitress

    ...is Star Trek REALLY worth a point-by-point grudge list a foot long? Really? Come on. I agree the story needed a WHOLE lot more work. In fact, just a little work would have been splendid... since it clearly didn't get any. But you're beating a dead horse, friend. Some people liked it. Hell, I enjoyed the romp. Replayability is ZERO... <P> Frankly, I came away hoping they get a good script for the sequel. I liked the actors in the roles, I'd see a GOOD movie with them in it...

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 9:23 p.m. CST

    and Burn, I assume you have a laundry list for Avatar?

    by ScaryWaitress

    ...because if you don't, you lose streed cred in my world.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 9:24 p.m. CST

    good list but Avatar is no Jurassic Park

    by manifestchaos

    Cmon, Avatar was "awesome" but Jurassic Park was "mind-blowing" and in addition, rather importantly, not two hundred percent predictable almost line-by-line (even if you read the book, cuz different people die!)

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 9:27 p.m. CST

    yes the reason for the tame D9 aliens is clear

    by JettL93

    it's also clear that the leader alines (including the main character, Christopher) were actually smart enough to just play dumb and blend in with the rest of the workers, this gave them the time and freedom to work on getting home without the humans interfereing (to a certian extent). There are probabaly countless "smart" leader type living amonst the 2.5 million, just plotting and waiting for Christopher to return in 3 years with back up...Wikus is now one of them and the sequel will likly fall into Dances with smurfs territory

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 9:40 p.m. CST

    ScaryWaitress

    by BurnHollywood

    With all due respect, I'm being pretty specific with that "foot long" post...I'd really like to see 'Wyrm address this. I don't mean every specific plot hole, but just Orci/Kurtzman's sloppy, slovenly approach to writing in general. By calling this one of the best of the year (better than MOON, my favorite), is he saying he'd like to see even MORE of that kind of shit?<p> Which dovetails into your question about AVATAR...Cameron *tried* to cover his technical holes with a respectable level of verisimilitude. He actually *cared*. The story's predictable, yes, but hangs together quite solidly, and the notion of a networked ecosystem is something I've never seen on screen before, and solid SF.<p> What's more, I have no problems with the overall intentions of AVATAR...fucking up the environment is bad, and isn't it cool when elves on dragons fight helicopters to save it?<p> What the fuck is the message of STAR TREK? That being a brazen dipshit trumps brains any day? That Kirk did too much thinkin' the first time 'round? Fuck that shit.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 9:44 p.m. CST

    2009

    by hspahr

    All arguements aside, 2009 was a pretty darn good year for films. I've seen things that I'll remember forever (Avatar in 3d, Up, District 9) with very few films that pissed me off (Transformers - I was ANGRY after paying for that). I hope 2010 will be a match for the quality we saw in 2009.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 9:51 p.m. CST

    Where the Wild Things Are, Coraline, Up, Basterds and Star Trek

    by Amy Chasing

    It almost goes without saying but with some people on here giving essentially nothing better than "yes it is" & "no it isn't" arguments for what film is good or not I think it needs to be made clear: Films are subjective! It depends on what stories you like, what genre, what kind of acting and action, what music, how you're feeling that day, etc. I personally enjoyed the heck out of Lesbian Vampire Killers. My friends hated it. And yet we all thought Where The Wild Things Are was extremely well made and yet ultimately as Max leaves his wild friends in as bad a state as he met them (maybe worse), kinda depressing and unfulfilling. It's just an individual take on a story, a film, and that's all. <P> Now I thought Coraline was wonderful. Saw it in 3D and loved how they used it to make the world come alive, from simple rain against a window to that amazing tunnel between doors. The story was pure Neil Gaiman so that was a plus for me. Compare that to Up which my friends and I found entertaining but the beginning while sweet and poignant could also be viewed as depressing (like Nemo's mother being eaten - so it's not the first time Pixar have used this device to start a story), and the flippancy of the dogs, the straight-forwardness of the bird's story, and the Hollywood schmaltz of the boyscout's story - a nice mix but could also be viewed as clashing (like the first and second halves of Wall-E... two different story telling styles). <P> Inglourious Basterds was interesting but for my money Kill Bill Vol 1 is still the best match for Tarantino, who I always considered a graphic novel style director - lots of dialogue with ultra-violence dispersed throughout. <P> And Star Trek was fun. I've seen all the Star Trek episodes and movies and this new film was entertaining to watch for me. I also liked the new Terminator (although the ending was a bit schmaltzy). These are the kind of action films I like to see. Not trying to over think things like Push did, and not too dumb like the Fast & Furious series. But some people like that. <P> District 9 rocked, but in the end my fave film for 2009 was The Brothers Bloom, even with the less humorous last half hour, the rest was like having Pushing Daisies in the cinema - a joy to watch and the reason I watch movies.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 9:55 p.m. CST

    Red Cliff

    by Titus05

    I havn't seen one Top 10 list with Red Cliff on it...technically Part 2 came out in Asia in January 2009...and the US version came out in November 2009...so this should definitely qualify...I absolutely loved this movie...and I saw the edited 2.5 hour US version...I can only imagine the awesomeness of the 5 hour epic 'real' version...I would have thought someone at AICN would have given this movie the proper respect by placing it somewhere on their Top 10 lists for 2009

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 10:09 p.m. CST

    Red Cliff parts 1 & 2...

    by Amy Chasing

    are the best thing John Woo has ever done. I'd put it in my Top 10 list if I had one.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 10:13 p.m. CST

    District 9 is changing lives! Deal with it suckas!

    by Orionsangels

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 10:39 p.m. CST

    Happy New Year!

    by gotilk

    Great list and Happy New Year to all talkbackers. You're the best and worst in the world. That's tops in my book. Treat yourselves well and those you love better.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 11:02 p.m. CST

    BurnHollywood..Pedonecrophilia. I like it.

    by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks

    Though I disagree about Basterds, and I will tell you my reasons,we need to start a fetish website. At the very least old QT will sign up, and where there is one, there are more. $$$$$$$$$$$$$. <p> Okay onto Basterds.... <p> I love it's five act structure. I love that in a film that just so fucks with history we get scenes of unbearable dramatic tension. <p> Tarantino's Nazi's are nearly horror film archetypes, fucking with peoples minds at will before killing them with minimal fuss. The scene in the bar just blew my mind. The sly humour present with heavy malice delighted me. QT really surprised me with the naturalistic dialogue and casting. <p> Brad Pitt's near John Wayne performance just cracked me up. Most people like his Italian moment the most but for me in that scene it's his whole Waynesque stance, like he needs to shit, with his cocksure grin that just gets me every time. <p> I love that the first time I watched it, as the strands webbed together, I genuinely had no idea how it was gonna play out(a rarity in film these days outside of a few other filmmakers). <p> The humour actually reminded me of Pulp's situational comedy(Oh man I just shot Marvin in the face!) I laughed so hard when the Bear Jew came back to theatre and called the other guy out. By the time they shot Hitler in the face I was literally cheering... <p> Thats my shot on an extremely superficial and selfish level. I could actually go into more detail about the structure, characters and dialogue but I fear this is pretty long anyway....

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 11:16 p.m. CST

    Titus05

    by anyrandomhero

    I completely agree with you on Red Cliff should be a top 3 film on most of these lists. <br><br> I saw the two full length films and they were both amazing, I dread to think what the ripped apart 2.5 hour version is like, as there was not a single scene I felt wasn't important in both films. I am jealous of you though because your in for a real treat when you see the full length versions!

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 11:22 p.m. CST

    damn happy news years

    by JettL93

    crap times sqaure is crazy, i just updated from mt blackberry and dick clark was like glad your here jett

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 11:24 p.m. CST

    Flea Circus...

    by kisskissbangbang

    ...since many nits are being picked , I might as well add this one: you keep talking about the "island" Carl goes to. It's not an island, it's a plateau, one of the same Venezuelan plateaus Arthur Conan Doyle's The Lost World was set on, or that Angel Falls pours off of. Don't know where you're getting this island business from.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 11:29 p.m. CST

    It's a shoutout to Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's....

    by AmericanWerewolf

    The Lost World where they find a self contained jungle on a plateau in South America.

  • Dec. 31, 2009, 11:39 p.m. CST

    DICK CLARK IS BACK!!!

    by saber12

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 12:19 a.m. CST

    anyrandomhero

    by Titus05

    I'm planning on buying the full length version of Red Cliff when it's released on Blu Ray on 03/30/2010 here in the USA...can't wait to see it...I hope they cut both films together for the US release and don't make it 2 separate movies

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 12:27 a.m. CST

    <P>HAPPY NEW YEAR LOCKESBROKENLEG!<P>

    by DrMorbius

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 12:58 a.m. CST

    The waqman

    by Harold-Sherbort

    Where did you see Enter the Void?

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 1:06 a.m. CST

    HanYoYo

    by DrMorbius

    Let me guess, by your username you probably think the acting in Star Wars is...wait for it...Stellar!

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 1:31 a.m. CST

    Why Trek was better than Avatar:

    by BMacSmith

    Trek had fantastic characters and the actors played them wonderfully. Avatar was full of the most boring characters possible in every way. <p>also, aesthetically Trek was vastly superior. i loved the retro cool look. compare that to Avatar, which was full of glow in the dark shit and fucking smurfs. fuck you for liking that! j/k<p> i dont think Trek was that good but it was enjoyable. both were fucking trainwrecks from a storytelling standpoint. but without the fun characters Trek would end up like Avatar: shitty.

  • And said lack of retardation is a disability you apparently lack…which is probably why you just a loves you sum Orci-trek! <p> And unlike cash907 I COULD have liked a popcorn-trek…if it was at least a GOOD popcorn trek….which this was not….it was mentally disabled-trek.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 1:54 a.m. CST

    Quantize- I have humor and am certainly not a “humorless cunt“

    by 900LBGorilla

    I’m just not retarded.<p> And said lack of retardation is a disability you apparently lack…which is probably why you just a loves you sum Orci-trek!

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 1:59 a.m. CST

    Negative Man

    by 900LBGorilla

    Glad you said it too...I have commented on the stupidity of Nero not realizing he can now save his world as well. <p> DUHHHRRRR....No I hate the giy who tried to help...I Need REVENNNGEEEE!!!

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 2:03 a.m. CST

    NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks

    by BurnHollywood

    “Unbearable dramatic tension”…might have worked in the first scene, but then QT repeats the trick at least four more times (in the bar, in the bar aftermath when the Basterds torture Hammersmark, in the theater lobby, and when Hammersmark is interrogated by Landa…QT apparently likes to watch beautiful women suffer), it loses its effectiveness and becomes a tiresome gimmick…and relentless gimmickry in place of craftsmanship is why I so loathe this movie.<p> “Fucks with history”…so historical revisionism is a good thing, now? Pretend all you want Hitler stupidly blundered into a machine gun in a theater…a much better movie called DOWNFALL shows how it really went down, and how dearly it cost the German people. Another better movie called VALKYRIE shows what happened when they tried to stop his madness themselves. <p> “Tarantino's Nazi's are nearly horror film archetypes”…I think you meant “clichés”, not archetypes. <p> Brad Pitt turned in the worst performance of his career, and he’s one of my favorite actors. That really takes some effort (or non-effort) on behalf of the director…<p> “I genuinely had no idea how it was gonna play out”…Landa’s fate was so obvious I sustained ocular damage from repeatedly rolling my eyes the moment he lays out his “defection plan” to Pitt. And once you set up the ridiculous premise of the notoriously paranoid nazi high command all gathering under the same non-Vichy roof in Paris (akin to the Bush cabinet having a party in Fallujah), who really CARES how it plays out? Perverse curiosity, maybe? <p> “The humour actually reminded me of Pulp's situational comedy”…PULP was portraying the absurdity of reality. BASTERDS is substituting absurdity for reality. I don’t see the comparison. <p> Oh, and I’ve heard some try to defend this film as “homage”, notably to Leone…bullshit, it’s parody. Guys who smash people’s skulls with bats were always the bad guys in his movies. <p> One voice in the wilderness…I’m seeing some uncomfortable signs this POS will probably take home Best Picture or Best Director. So be it…like the way I pretended the overrated SLUMDOG MILLIONAIRE win was the Oscar Boyle deserved for TRAINSPOTTING, I’ll pretend it’s a retroactive win for RESERVOIR DOGS.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 2:05 a.m. CST

    Mattman returns- well said

    by 900LBGorilla

    “Beaks has the worst taste. Anyone who puts Bring It On and Jackass above Dark Knight needs to turn in their critic license. “ <p> Criticism may be subjective….but the statement above is about as near a mathematical fact as can be had in this department. Beaks opinion = EPIC FAIL

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 2:08 a.m. CST

    Star Trek had "poor acting"?

    by Powers Boothe

    I'd love some examples to prove that point. You can say what you like about plot holes but the performances were all very good.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 2:13 a.m. CST

    the only thing that saved Trek was the acting

    by BMacSmith

    which is suprising to me.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 2:18 a.m. CST

    Who cares "why trek was better than Avatar" um...

    by snakecharmer

    You like what you like and you'll never change anybody's mind why they should like what you like.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 2:29 a.m. CST

    There's not very many plot holes in Trek

    by saber12

    Really, pay some more attention to a movie. With Trek, you need to watch it a few times to get everything. It's one of the few Trek movies that's rewatchable.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 3:57 a.m. CST

    Love the scene in Fish Story...

    by chaplinatemyshoe

    where the band eats together after they finish the album. The plot had its obvious tip offs, but moments like that between the characters really made the movie work for me. It was a bit like the card game in Inglourious Basterds.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 4:55 a.m. CST

    Star Trek was good, but not great

    by Wookie_Weed

    It was more Starship Troopers than Star Trek in many respects.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 5:10 a.m. CST

    Nice Top 5, man!

    by Burp Fartman

    4 out of those 5 films really hit the spot. But I've never heard of that Fish something, will check it out ASAP!!!

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 7:02 a.m. CST

    You know what 2009 lacked?

    by VicenzoV

    A Russell Crowe movie where he fires guns, swings swords or shoots arrows or some shit. <p> Or one where he's into maths or boxing and gets all sentimental on our asses.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 7:02 a.m. CST

    saber12

    by BurnHollywood

    "There's not very many plot holes in Trek"<p> O RLY? Please see my posts addressed to Mr. Massawyrm above, where I identified nine glaring continuity/canon/logical errors just in the fifteen minute Delta Vega sequence alone.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 7:14 a.m. CST

    Hey Burn Hollywood you smarmy shithead

    by joshuavance1701

    Here's your challenge moron. * Kirk was considered a stowaway and wasn't supposed to be on the ship to begin with, as was emphasized more than several times for those with attention spans. Spocks over-reaction was an exaggeration and direct result of just witnessing his planet decimated. <p> * Fuck you dude, the whole point of the narrative is that the parallel universe was attempting to rectify Neros meddling in the timeline. Why did Han happen to find Luke on an entire planet of ice? Why did Ben happen to come along RIGHT when Luke you know, needed him the most. You'll forgive every other films plot contrivances but fault Trek? FUCK you. <p> * It's called revenge you prick cunt, revenge is a illogical, unpredictable reaction to being wounded. Nero was wounded. He wanted Spock wounded. You idiot fuck what's so hard to determine about that. <p> * It's called a little artistic license and unspecified subtext you shit head. Sometimes it's necessary to read between the lines in films asshole. It wasn't explicably stated but the inference was that Spock percieved the destruction of Vulcan as Ben did of Alderaan and Spock did of the USS Intrepid. You uninspired unimaginative cunt. <p> * Scotty was ALWAYS one of THE most brilliant engineers in the entire Starfleet asshole, he supervised the refit of the original Enterprise himself. At the time the most advanced vessel in the entire starfleet. Scotty coming up with the day saving formula is fucking nothing new idiot. <p> Now take your "challenge" and shove it up your ass and go fuck yourself asshole. The new Star Trek film PERFECTLY captured the spirit, narrative, feel, and character interaction of the original series. It IDN'T emphasize technology, as neither did the original fucking series, and it was mandated from GENE RODDENBERRY not to overemphasize technology and Berman era yawn inducing techno-babble. Star Trek is about PEOPLE fuckheads, try reading up on a subject matter before you let your fat fucking cheetoh encrusted fingers type.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 7:27 a.m. CST

    Hey Burn hollywood you shithead

    by joshuavance1701

    Why didn't the hired mercenaries nuke the native Navi' population centers from orbit then have the entire PLANETS source of "UNOBTANIUM" HA HA easy pickings? <p> It would take a half hour then there wouldn't be a FILM. <p> Some of you God damn people with your blatantly double standards and hypocrisy in your arm-chair critiquing of a film are disgusting and shallow.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 7:38 a.m. CST

    I really don't get the whole praise for D9

    by Marksman230591

    Look, don't get me wrong, I thought it was a very well-done film. Hell, I'd probably even put it in my top 5 of 2009. But the movie's not a freaking masterpiece. It's great that it gave us cool violence and I really liked that they thought outside the box for the movie, but like many have said here, the movie just gets less and less interesting towards the end, and sacrifices the "intelligence" that many claimed it had for some cool action scenes. And don't get me wrong on that either, I can enjoy action movies too, but I thought it just didn't fit that well in the end with what the film was setting us up for. It's still great, though. Terrific acting, great special effects, but movie-of-the-year material? Hell no. I thought Star Trek was even more fun to watch (which I also don't get why it's getting so much hate. I loved that movie). In the end, no movie that I've watched so far this year has connected to me on such an emotional level as Avatar did. Call its story unoriginal or whatever, I thought it was more like an archetypal kind of story, and that's why I thought it was great. It's a story that deserves to be retold at least once for every generation, and I'm glad Avatar did it for this one, and I only saw the movie in 2D. I'll be going to watch it in 3D this weekend, just to see if the 3D really does make it a better experience overall.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 7:41 a.m. CST

    Fuck you Ace of wands

    by joshuavance1701

    They have gunned airships ,nifty little mech-suits, infantry , orbital troop transports and carriers, unlimited supply of ammunition but they don't have nukes?? FUCK you. You prove my point on hypocrisy.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 7:50 a.m. CST

    900LBGorilla

    by quantize

    thanks for the confirmation by way of your piss weak reply.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 7:52 a.m. CST

    Basterds 'no pop music wankery either'

    by quantize

    What the fuck? where you fucking awake during the most tedious montage/music sequence in film history? There was no gasoline, there was no fire...just a lot of limp posing to Bowie. It makes Madsen's little boogie in R Dogs look like world class ballet.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 7:58 a.m. CST

    Hey 900 pound Gorilla

    by joshuavance1701

    Nero COULDN'T save his world dumbass, try going back in time to 1782 and relating to ANYTHING going on in that reality. Nero's "World" was his wife and unborn child moron, to say nothing of his literal planet being destroyed. Yeah you'd be a little pissy and irrational as well.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 8:02 a.m. CST

    Hey Ace of Wands

    by joshuavance1701

    You fucking cunt you missed the whole point of my post. You just said they are a mining company, now are they a mining company or a military you piece of shit? What sort of mining company has every military weapon BUT nukes? Conversely what military invading a world doesn't have nukes? <p> You dumbass the whole point of my post is that if you apply the ridiculously uninspired logic some of these cocksuckers apply, you will have no film, and that even applies to your shitty overhyped Avatar. Now go fuck yourself.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 8:07 a.m. CST

    Oh and Ace

    by joshuavance1701

    If you think tactical battlefield nuclear weapons arent in theater in Iraq and Afghanistan, you are as ignorant as you portray yourself my fat little friend. But I digress.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 8:34 a.m. CST

    Boy asshole

    by joshuavance1701

    You are really struggling to justify that GLARING plot oversight arent you? Applying Haliburton to an insipid fantasy film huh? Methinks the lady doth protest a bit too much. <p> Does it hurt patsy, does it?

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 8:46 a.m. CST

    Ace of Wands, AVATAR =THEME PARK RIDE

    by sansara07

    This is a truth you need to accept. You are trying to intellectualize that Avatar is a classic genre film, but aside from a handfull of die hard Cameron fans no one agrees with you (Ebert is all too easily impresses by spectacle, he ven liked King Kong). Yes, Avatar marks a tehnoligical milestone, but so did Jurassic Park, Independence Day, The Phantom Menace and even Shrek 2. When you adjust for inflation, Avatar will make roughly as much as those films. Does that make it an all time genre classic? It is the new circus attraction, "Roll up, roll up. Come and see the two headed man for your five bucks". Granted, that's a crude analogy but that's basically what we've got here. Someone will do these effects better in the near future, and when that happens Avatar will look dated in the same way JP looks dated. District 9, on the other hand, I already a cherished film amongst genre fans. In ten years time, more people will be dusting off their D9 blu ray for another looks than they will their Avatar disc. And you simply cannot dispute that.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 8:53 a.m. CST

    fish story

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    I am intrigued, will get the wife ( Japanese) to hunt it down

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 8:58 a.m. CST

    I see that District 9 is now getting nerd rage

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    it was inevitable, mainstream popularity and critical praise makes nerd rage an absolute certainty, was a brilliant movie and anyone with a brain can see that. <p>

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 8:59 a.m. CST

    Basically Sansara

    by joshuavance1701

    The wand moron is entirely indicative and demonstrative of the sophist mentality prevalent today, especially among young people, no wisdom whatsoever. <p> Wand I can unequivocally assure you, tactical nuclear weapon are in theater in Iraq and Afghanistan, you suggest otherwise, you are a fool. Concisely, that's the bottom line. <p> But your strawman argument about Avatar doesn't in any way shape or form take away from the fact cocksuckers on this site such as yourself, apply a fallacious logic to certain films, yet turn the other cheek to others. You and that fuck Burn Hollywood are prime examples. Just because you like a thing fucker, doesn't exempt it from your own pedantic scrutiny. <p> Now the two of three cocksuckers that consistently attack Star Trek, let's deconstruct your film of choice shall we? <p> Come on Assholimov, come on Kwitz with your shitty Dune film namesake. Scrutinize your beloved genre films turds, be consistent, dont be hypocrites.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 9:06 a.m. CST

    joshuavance1701

    by BurnHollywood

    Sorry...didn't make it more than two paragraphs into your post. Sounded like bullshit from an immature fuckwit who's mommy doesn't love him or who's daddy's raping him on a regular basis. You want people to listen to you, try politeness. And if that makes you feel bad, than go cue up some "Death Cab For Cutie" and cut yourself some more, you emo cocksmoker.<p> But on the other hand, I can't resist this one:<p> "* Fuck you dude, the whole point of the narrative is that the parallel universe was attempting to rectify Neros meddling in the timeline. Why did Han happen to find Luke on an entire planet of ice? Why did Ben happen to come along RIGHT when Luke you know, needed him the most. You'll forgive every other films plot contrivances but fault Trek? FUCK you."<p> The universe rectifying Nero's meddling, or just some juvenile dipshit trying to justify shitty screewriting? I don't remember THAT coming up in any snippet of dialogue. So the ENTIRE UNIVERSE failed to stop this boring-ass disgruntled miner in his plot? 'Cause I sure as shit didn't see any "rectifying" by movie's end.<p> And as for referencing STAR WARS (which makes sense, since the entire plot was ripped off from it), at the very least, Han had Luke's last coordinates to start from, as well as whatever equipment he had on him to pick up his heat signature, not to mention any devices Luke might have had as a beacon for just such a situation. In any case, he was working with about a hundred square miles. Same thing with Obi-Wan in the original STAR WARS...Luke was on his way to Kenobi's place anyway. How does that compare in any way, shape or form with NewKirk being deposited at random on a planet and bumping into just the guy that Earth needs, when he had no idea he was there in the first place, or when he had no idea he would be stranded? EPIC FAIL.<p> But don't lose hope, little lady...with lame rationalizations like these, maybe Abrams can hire you on to back up Orci/Kurtzman when they get tired of pounding out shit on the keyboard, and they can take turns pounding on your ass instead.<p> Your dad can give 'em pointers.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 9:11 a.m. CST

    sansara need to rewatch Avatar

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    as Ace said was much much more than a ride, think it needs to be seen at least twice

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 9:30 a.m. CST

    Another pretty weak list.

    by SunTzu77

    I think Father Geek as the best list so far... minus Avatar.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 9:32 a.m. CST

    Hey Burn Hollywood

    by joshuavance1701

    Hows about you wrap your car around a tree, and burn and rot in hell, you obtuse, ill-concieved, salty cunt smelling unpolished turd. Your hyperbolic rhetoric and shit running from your mouth is laughably bad, laughably predictable, and laughably inconsequential. <p> The universe did rectify itself you tainted cunt - The crew of the Enteprise united and began their adventures, that was the whole God damn point, you are clearly just uninformed about Star Trek. It's called manifest destiny small pecker. There was a line omitted from the film where Spock Prime mentions just that to Kirk as far as HOW he came to discover him, but they felt it was too obvious and spoon feeding the audience, but clearly in your case it wasn't , you require being spoon fed. Allegory and subtext clearly escape you. Now go jerk off to world of warcraft you Fat pasty bloated swollen cocksucker. <p> Ace of Wands what the fuck are you talking about?? Are you THAT uninformed? Leave nukes behind in Iraq? Troops pull out? Try saying that to my buddy sitting his ass in Iraq right now man.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 9:45 a.m. CST

    District 9 The Most Overly Well-Received Movie

    by Autodidact

    Seriously, it was awesome, but my god will the blowjobs never stop!? It's not a timeless classic. How did it "change up the game" again? By providing Hollywood-level effects with a moderate budget? These days high-quality CGI is not really all that impressive. I'm working on a motion capture setup for the animation system I have setup in my shitty little apartment here. The guy had Peter Jackson backing him, so I don't see where it's some kind of revolution in film financing and distribution either.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 9:50 a.m. CST

    This is Like

    by Autodidact

    When The Matrix came out, with Joel Silver producing, and people called it "an independent movie".

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 10:37 a.m. CST

    Haters Just Don't Get It . . .

    by bookant

    I can't help but think that the Trek haters are all kids under 20 or so who think that the craptacular Deep Space Nine was the best Trek show (hint: it actually comes in at #6). The entire point of the Trek film was to get back to the *original* show. As a fan from way back when that was the only flavor Trek came in, I'm here to tell you it was the most true thing to that spirt that's been made in at least 20 years. Did Kirk nail at least one alien babe? Check. Get in at least one extended fistfight? Check. Did some generic red shirt die within minutes after leaving the ship? Check. Did McCoy bitch and bicker with everyone? Check. Did Scotty save the day with a last minute Hail Mary of inspired enineering? Check (it fits well enough that I'll ever forgive Abrams for apparently not understanding that a starship that just ejected it's core isn't going anywhere . . . ) Looks like a massively successful reboot to me, I'm only sorry the wasted it on the movies, rather than doing it for TV where we'd get to watch a new episode of this every week.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 10:43 a.m. CST

    AVATAR exposes the Meatheads at AICN...

    by Darkplanet

    AVATAR's story was willfully boiled down into a simple memetic tale to draw users into the experience of "being there". People that don't understand that are missing the entire point of the movie. The whole package is so brilliant that I think its honestly over many peoples heads. (doubly so at AICN apparently).

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 10:43 a.m. CST

    District 9 in one post

    by JettL93

    Hh noes Aliens landed here 20 years ago and they are gross and eat catfood, they convieniantly landed in Africa so that we don't have to cast any expensive american actors in major roles<P> "Hi, i'm Vickus Dickus Maximus I'm the films eventual sympathetic character but I will also be a douche to the aliens, but you the audience will accept thatat first because the aliens are gross at this point in the film<P> We see some MNU guys treat the aliens like crap including the main military guy who wants so hard to believe he's in a Rambo film... we laugh, but then start to feel bad when we learn one of them named Christopher Robin wearts a Han Solo vest and has a baby alien that is cute and throws candy<P> Vickus gets sprayed by some black splooge...."FOO-uck, FOO-uck"<P>Vickus starts to turn into one of the aliens "FOO-uck", the audience starts to sympathize with the aliens and this point and begins to hate the MNU they collectivly shout - "Go Current Protaganists"<P> Vickus helpes Christopher Robin come up with a plan to get the splooge back in exchange that Christopher will change him back into a "FOO-ucking human" , they blow up MNU headquarters 'splode lots of bloody guts and get it back "Yah we FOO-ucking did it, didn't we"<P> Back in district 9 Vickus, in case the audience was starting to sympathize with his situation too much - Becomes a dick again and hits his friend Christopher and steals the space shuttle..even though he would need Christopher to help with the reversal operation Vickus leaves him for MNU to capture, because aparently Vickus could figure out the operation himself... or with Baby's help?<P> The ship crashes because Vickus is an idiot and then the thing from robocop fights the MNU bad guys, Christopher Robin and baby get back to the ship and leave. Rambo Military guy gets gang fucked by some aliens. Vickus pretend dies and makes a flower out of a soda can<P> The audience remain in their seats until the end of the credits in the hopes that their boners will go away before they have to stand up, the boners semi go down and everyone goes home and logs on to AICN to collectively jerk one out because "OMFG this movies is so Awesomez!"

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 10:55 a.m. CST

    Lovers Just Don't Get It . . .

    by MisterE

    If the new Star Trek movie had been filmed using the same script, but with a budget on par with the last few Trek movies, it would have been laughed at and panned by most people that love it. The script is a turd, but JJ spent $150+ million polishing it. "Star Trek" 2009 is just a better received "Speed Racer" 2008.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 11:11 a.m. CST

    Darkplanet, that's the Robert Frost defense of Avatar.

    by ScaryWaitress

    I don't have the actual quote, but the poet famously took credit for any and all interpretations of his work as being EXACTLY what he was going for... your argument that they kept the story simple (and I'm talking VILLAGE IDIOT simple here, which I think is extreme in ANY argument) to draw people in is a load of horse shit. <P> Case in point: THE MATRIX. Here was another movie where they were out to build a believable world, largely through CGI, and they sure as shit didn't dumb the story down. The writing on that shit is TIGHT. You are REALLY arguing that if the story had been less contrived, and the characters MORE interesting, that people would have stayed away? BULLSHIT. This argument is ridiculous. <P> Saying that the story, dialogue, and character development are "simple" because Cameron MEANT to do that is not much of an argument for those of us who don't cream over Cameron, the man. This argument is like preaching to unbelievers, using the Scripture as your "proof" that what you speak is the truth. <P> This argument is as void to me as the "millions of Americans can't be wrong" argument.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 11:29 a.m. CST

    Holy Shit

    by EliteStance

    Where is The Hurt Locker and the actual amazing films for 2009? You know, the one's that didn't have huge structural flaws and poor lapses of logic like Star Trek. The one's that didn't feature stock characters and already better filmed exploration of their themes like Avatar? You know, actual films with great dialogue, performances, direction and originality from the very beginning to the very end. Jesus Christ how can you say you like film and put Star Trek and Avatar in those positions vs films like Hurt Locker and Basterds? How can you put District 9 - which had a great start and descended into genre cliche for the end, as the best film of the year? It was good, but far from the best film.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 11:31 a.m. CST

    JETTL93 YOU IGNORANT SLUT

    by Arch Nemesis

    See now, folks, Jett's rant was FUNNY. And anyone notice that while he was on an obvious role typing away that he FORGOT TO MAKE HIS USUAL PLETHORA OF IDIOTIC TYPOS. <p> I don't rest my case, I simply make my case. See my posts on the matter on the Harry's DVD picks... thread.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 11:34 a.m. CST

    Service does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    ScaryWaitress, 'the Robert Frost defense' is that a chess move?<p> Um, comparing AVATAR against THE MATRIX is a bit disingenuous.<p> AVATAR's a family film, it has to be simple and accessible enough for kids to follow and enjoy. THE MATRIX, ALIENS, DISTRICT 9 are aimed at a much older audience so of course they'd be more nuanced.<p> The sorts of films you should compare AVATAR against are JURASSIC PARK, STAR TREK, and TRANSFORMERS. I think then you'll find it's actually quite intelligent and well-thought out (unlike your post).<p> Hahaha... and I didnt even leave a tip...

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 11:40 a.m. CST

    Titus05

    by anyrandomhero

    Over here in England there is the bog standard version and then a special edition which is the full thing.<br><br>I personally downloaded them a year ago, easy to find on torrents, and have since bought the dvd. I don't thing there should be a piracy arguement when you have to download something because your country is deemed to retarded to appreciate characters and a decent story.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 11:44 a.m. CST

    Cobra-Kai...

    by ScaryWaitress

    Fair enough point... except comparing Avatar to Star Trek and Transformers is pointless. You're comparing bad script to bad script, to yet another bad script. OF COURSE Avatar looks great in that mash-up... but then, that's not saying a whole lot, is it? <P> Fine, you want me to keep it to family films? Compare the script to Raiders. No contest. You're telling me that, if Raiders had had a DUMBER story, with one-dimensional characters, it would have made MORE money? BULLSHIT. <P> Add onto that, that Raiders is a movie that lots of people watch over and over again, whereas without a theater-sized screen and 3-D glasses, I doubt that Avatar will have much afterlife. I could be wrong... I don't think I am though, and I'm not the only person on these TB's to have said that. <P> You didn't leave a tip? That's OK... I dropped your pie on the floor, but just replated and served. How's that taste?

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 11:49 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Comparing AVATAR to RAIDER.. yes RAIDERS wins. It's a better movie all round. It's also a movie from another age.<p> So a more timely comparison would be to compare it to CRYSTAL SKULL. Who's laughing now Waitress?<p> Hahaha... yep and when you served that dirty pie I goosed your ass (and you liked it).

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 11:56 a.m. CST

    Who's laughing now? Are you kidding?

    by ScaryWaitress

    Cobra, what a joke. Arguing that it's from a different age is not exactly- to borrow your words- "quite intelligent and well-thought out." So, it's OK that movies seem to get dumber and dumber? That Hollywood just assumes that the general unwashed movie-going public isn't smart enough to understand a story like, say Raiders- or E.T.- THAT'S OK? That's DEFENSIBLE???? <P> Dude, turn in your film-lover's card. You're done. That is SHAMEFUL.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 11:56 a.m. CST

    anyrandomhero

    by Titus05

    yup there will be 2 versions released here in the USA as well but everyone should see the full version...since the full version is 5 hours, the 2.5 hour edited version released in the USA cut out literally half the movie!!...I guess the movie company thought that people here in the states wouldn't be interested in watching such a long movie

  • Jan. 1, 2010, noon CST

    Ten FAMILY-FRIENDLY scripts better than Avatar

    by ScaryWaitress

    In no particular order: <P> Raiders of the Lost Ark <P> Superman (1978 version) <P> E.T. <P> Star Wars (which REALLY isn't saying much for Avatar...) <P> Jurassic Park <P> Back to the Future <P> Wall-E (or ANY Pixar movie) <P> Princess Bride <P> Iron Giant

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 12:01 p.m. CST

    Ace of Wands

    by Series7

    You can compare any movie to any movie. <P> I was asking how you felt the love story in Avatar was in terms of effectiveness to D9. Where as in Avatar they spend like every second together on screen. I felt that the love story was more forced, and that the movie would've worked better had it been another dude taking Jake under his wing. It just felt like OK we got a girl and a guy....and now they love each other. <P> Where as D9 you didn't really need to set up the relationship for Wikcus and his wife, they were already married. They showed that he loved her for her not for the possible power it may bring. They were both kind of clumsy dim wits together, and the transformation Wikus goes through when all he just wanted to be is some clueless wonder. <P> Just wanted to know how effective you thought the Avatar romance was thats all.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 12:04 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    No Waitress, what you're prepared to do in the stockroom for a $50 tip is shameful - this is just banter.<p> Look, you've just named prob the two best summer blockbusters of all time (you could chuck in EMPIRE too). The reality is that the vast majority of family-friendly summer blockbusters aren't that subtle, that deep, or that intelligent.<p> AVATAR compares very well against the majority.. but not so well against the 'best of the best'.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 12:08 p.m. CST

    AVATAR

    by Series7

    Has anyone with kids taken their kids to see it? <P> I'm really curious to know how a kid responds to it. Because to me it doesn't seem like a movie if I was a kid I would be that jazzed about. Like I'd like it, but I wouldn't want to go out and buy the book/cloths/books/toys/whatever. <P> Though I am gonna buy the Wal Mart Avatar shirt, just because I think its funny.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 12:13 p.m. CST

    I'm tired of this Avatar blah blah blah

    by ISleptWithKathyBatesAndAllThatIGotWasThisStupidTalkbackName

    And I haven't even seen it yet. Kathy Bates refuses to take me to it. Instead we sit here watching TITANIC over and over again.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 12:16 p.m. CST

    ...Series7, we're the only ones who would laugh...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...at that shirt...and we can't see you.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 12:16 p.m. CST

    Well, Cobra, you get do-jo points...

    by ScaryWaitress

    ...but my whole argument from the very beginning, from even before I saw it in glorious 3-D, was that for it to deserve all the slavish devotion that it engenders from some fellow geeks on here, then it needed to be at LEAST decently written, and it wasn't. If this movie had been made 15 years ago, it would be an outright laughingstock, and Cameron's career would be over. <P> My argument is, and always has been, that he's not just PLAYING with the big dogs... he's one of the fucking biggest dogs who ever lived. This is not acceptable work at this level. <P> And, I wouldn't need the $50 for what I would do in the stockroom... but I can pretty much guarantee that you would WANT to pay me. I'll settle for a respectable tip, thank you.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 12:21 p.m. CST

    ACE. holy shit, man.

    by ScaryWaitress

    As cobra pointed out, maybe The Matrix wasn't the best analogy... HOWEVER, my argument still stands. Cameron went to an all new level of keeping it simple. This is simply not acceptable for someone at his level. This is like saying, Michael Phelps has REVOLUTIONIZED the breast-stroke! LOOK how he DOES it! It's so revolutionary that we're going to give him the gold medal for just getting in the water. Don't pay attention to the fact that he's only halfway down the pool, and the race is over already. It's MICHAEL PHELPS. He's just operating on a whole 'nother level. <P> Not acceptable.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 12:23 p.m. CST

    Quantize

    by 900LBGorilla

    Nice comeback Quantize-no really dude…your reply was *almost* intelligible. <p> A 900LB Gorilla passes quantize a bib to wipe the drool off his shirt.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 12:24 p.m. CST

    Waitress does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    Ten FAMILY FRIENDLY scripts worse than AVATAR<p> In no particular order: <p> Scary said, Raiders of the Lost Ark - the dojo says KINGDOM OF THE CRYSTAL SKULL<p> Scary said, Superman (1978 version) - the dojo says SUPERMAN (Brandon Routh version)<p> Scary said, E.T. - the dojo says EVOLUTION<p> Scary said, Star Wars - the dojo says ATTACK OF THE CLONES<p> Scary said, Jurassic Park - the dojo says JURASSIC PARK 2 Scary said, Back to the Future - the dojo says POLAR EXPRESS<p> Scary said, Wall-E (or ANY Pixar movie) - the dojo takes her up on this offer and says CARS<p> Scary said, Princess Bride - the dojo says PRINCESS DIARIES<p> Scary said, Iron Giant - the dojo says iron my shirt wench and then take care of my 'iron giant'.<p> Film lover's card kept babe.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 12:32 p.m. CST

    ...Cobra, I mostly agree with Scary in this argument, but...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...not only do you keep your card...you get 10,000 frequent flier miles for that post.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 12:37 p.m. CST

    Josh Relevance = mentally challenged.

    by 900LBGorilla

    JOSH- “try going back in time to 1782 and relating to ANYTHING going on in that reality….to say nothing of his literal planet being destroyed. Yeah you'd be a little pissy and irrational as well.” <p> Huh? Nero HAS Red Matter solution on him and knows the time, and cause of his planets destruction you douche. He basically now has the technology and knowledge to save the future destruction of his world….you know that little thing that caused him to be so pissed in the fist place as you so “intelligently” pointed out (at the guy who tried to save his world no less). <p> So Nero basically has gone back in time…but HIS PLANET CAN NOW SURVIVE. Maybe the stupidity of the writing in this film makes so much sense to you because you are indeed yourself what you accuse others of being in nearly every one of your posts ….a dumbass….yup this crap movie was written for people with IQs under 80.…and you love it! <p> Also in case you missed it (which you did) Nero was in the past a LONG time to think about all this…yet no one on his ship seems to have realized they now can save their planet…that’s not a character being ”irrational and pissy” that’s nonsensical and lazy ass script writing

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 12:41 p.m. CST

    AVATAR IMAX is sold out til 11PM in NY

    by reflecto

    What the living fuck. Can't I just go see it in 3-D instead? Is it THAT big a deal people?

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 12:43 p.m. CST

    Cobra-kai's do-jo smells like dirty socks.

    by ScaryWaitress

    I fail to see what this proves, other than your encyclopedic knowledge of truly foul cinema, the stench of which is enough to wake the dead. I have never said that Avatar is the worst script ever written... hell, it ripped off some great stuff. I liked Dances With Wolves the first time I saw it. I HAVE said- and continue to say- that this script could have been better, SHOULD HAVE been better, and WOULD HAVE if Cameron didn't insist on being God in his own personal universe... <P> but there, I admit, I'm indulging in wishful thinking that is probably laughably childish. I mean really... looking at the amount of shit scripts that have been made into action movies recently, maybe this IS the best Hollywood can give us anymore.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 12:46 p.m. CST

    reflecto, digital 3-D is great.

    by ScaryWaitress

    Is the IMAX version an ACTUAL IMAX movie? Shot with the right cameras? I didn't think it was... in which case, I argue that the regular-sized screens are crisper and sharper, and couple that with the 3-D effects, I was BLOWN AWAY by the look.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 1:17 p.m. CST

    D9 is a masterpiece and you're stupid if you dont get it

    by BMacSmith

    so concentrate and try again until you do.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 1:24 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    My dojo smells like dirty socks?!?<p> Well, you're obviously not keeping up with the housework Waitress. Hop to it love. And wear your french maid outfit too?

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 1:28 p.m. CST

    Bmac...chill out man....

    by odo19

    I like D9 as well(even though I don't think it's a masterpiece by any means) but you can't just dismiss all contrary opinions like that. Acting like an arrogant douchebag is more likely to damage your cause. Try to be a bit more civil and open minded next time. Otherwise you're no better than an Avatar fanboy.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 1:31 p.m. CST

    bookant

    by Coordinate_System

    <P>For the record, I'm 41 years of old age. Furthermore, I know of several other "Pre-Cambrian Era" Trekkers, who, like myself, were disappointed with Trek XI.</P> <P>For me, what it boils down to is the bad writing (including bad characterizations), bad science, some bad directorial choices, and some laughable set design (filmed in a brewery, of all things) really sunk the film for me. The actors are OK (especially Quinto), but the way they were written....it was like a ship full of Wesley Crushers... ackk!</P> <P>The list that you put together on why you liked it is interesting, as I have the impression that the film makers made this film partially by checking off a list of things to include.</P> <P>My 2 cents.</P>

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 1:42 p.m. CST

    Keeping a look out for Fish Story

    by rossjohnson2806

    First ive ever heard of it but i hope we get a dvd of it soon over in the uk, would love to see it.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 1:43 p.m. CST

    My French maid outfit is at the cleaners...

    by ScaryWaitress

    ...you'll have to make do with my Princess Leia metal-kini. <P> However, that someone of your stature keeps his do-jo in such a state belies a breakdown of discipline... you gettin' all soft on us, cobra?

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 1:48 p.m. CST

    Fish Story is a one-joke movie

    by reflecto

    It's fun but I've seen it once and I can't imagine seeing it ever again.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 2 p.m. CST

    The Road sucked balls

    by JeanGrey_X23_lesboSex

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 2:15 p.m. CST

    I get it now, Avatar is Cameron's Do-deska'den!

    by reflecto

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 2:41 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Waitress, no danger of anyone being 'soft' when you're wearing the Princess Leia gold bikini.<p> Think you just made every geek reading this stand to attention... hehe

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 2:52 p.m. CST

    Will someone please tell me...

    by CrunchyMilk

    what "genre film" means? I see it getting tossed around a lot but I'm totally in the dark as to what it means...

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 3:29 p.m. CST

    Fine list, but there are FAR more than four..

    by Jaka

    ...people who don't love the new Star Trek film and I'm just tired of explaining why (it was unnecessary and insulting). However, your assumption that everyone who doesn't love it is a hating talkback troll is kind of ridiculous. <br><br>District 9 is great and I truly love it. But I loved it even more after watching the special features and ESPECIALLY the director commentary. A+++ on this one - everything that Star Trek ISN'T.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 3:30 p.m. CST

    And by that I just mean the last Trek

    by Jaka

    Not all of Trek. In fact, OLD Trek often touched on exactly what District 9 is about. New Trek somehow forgot all that.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 3:31 p.m. CST

    Jaka

    by saber12

    You're comparing D 9 to Star Trek? No wonder you don't like anything.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 3:32 p.m. CST

    Oh look, it's Scary the Avatroll!

    by Jaka

    Imagine that. She's still here trying to convince people she's right. (shakes head and chuckles to self - clearly a woman)

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 3:44 p.m. CST

    Saber

    by Jaka

    Just shut up you ignorant turd - you've already been found out and you know it. I love almost everything and you could never prove otherwise. I have rarely posted about not liking anything on this site other than the NEW Star Trek and a long debate about The Village (which sucks juicy donkey ass and has nothing to do with the Bush administration). I don't like the last Star Trek, at all, because it's a glossy retelling of a story that was already told with far more meaning and intelligence (in an incredibly great series of books - ya know, the forty years of history that Abrams shit on to fill his pockets). Old Trek, from TOS right up through Voyager was FILLED with messages of acceptance and understanding, as well as how badly we often fail at reaching those goals. What the hell exactly did you think D9 was about?

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 4:19 p.m. CST

    Jaka

    by saber12

    Wow, you're a douche. You're like AsimovLives' dumber cousin.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 4:38 p.m. CST

    Ace, you are up to your usual standards...

    by ScaryWaitress

    ...dense, as always, I see. So you're going straight to the "millions of American's can't be wrong" argument, which, as usual with you, is missing the point. Change the subject all you want... but you're clearly done arguing this. I certainly am with you. <P> It's like talking to a brick wall.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 4:45 p.m. CST

    Massawyrm

    by baghead

    Die. You stupid, stupid man.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 4:47 p.m. CST

    District 9 is absolute shit

    by barnaby jones

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 5:07 p.m. CST

    Fuck you

    by christpunchers2007

    District 9? Star Trek? Man, you're too easily pleased by cheesy gfx. That's all I have to say.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 5:12 p.m. CST

    Way to keep hatin people

    by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks

    avatar sucks...avatar rules...star trek sucks...star trek rules...district 9 blah blah blah.... <p> I must be in the minority here, I enjoyed them all. Some more than others to be sure. But when there is crap out there like Transformers 2(so bad it makes even Wolverine resemble a proper film) it makes even the dimmest, silliest moments of these other films look like classic scenes.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 5:20 p.m. CST

    Ace of Wands

    by Series7

    Sooooo pretty much you need your love stories to just be rehashes of things you've heard before to be satisfying. Well hey then you should check out Princess and the Frog! <P> It really is great, and its also fun because its just like every classical Disney movie you've seen before!

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 5:21 p.m. CST

    I know that's just lowered expectation yet...

    by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks

    I just personally don't get the level of anger and hate. I love movies that much that bad movies do it for me too. I adore Hudson Hawk for example, I find it imminently rewatchable. <p> That's just me however and there are movies that even I cannot watch such as Pearl Harbour, Phonebooth and others of there ilk that pretend to be superior product with actual meaning when in fact they are just as hollow as Catwoman. <p> All that means to me is that Catwoman = unwatchable drock that improves when drunk. Pearl Harbor = unwatchable shit that is truly offensive.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 5:21 p.m. CST

    NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks

    by Series7

    Yeah I'm with you. Except through Up In the Air in there as sucking as well. <P> God may as well just called it, Oscar Bait: The Movie.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 5:25 p.m. CST

    FlickaPoo

    by Series7

    Yeah your right, but I don't really care. I still mostly wear t-shirts I've had since high school.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 5:29 p.m. CST

    Haven't seen it yet. Don't usually mind Clooney

    by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks

    Really enjoyed Thankyou for Smoking but haven't watched it again. I thought Juno was ok if over-rated so I'll see how it goes.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 5:30 p.m. CST

    With the way people hate

    by Mr. Profit

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 5:30 p.m. CST

    NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks

    by Series7

    Well hopefully you don't pay money to see it. Unless you enjoy throwing it down the drain.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 5:31 p.m. CST

    With the way people hate "Avatar" in the TB

    by Mr. Profit

    I started to believe it would flop. I'm fucking surprised that it has made so much damn money.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 5:39 p.m. CST

    AVATAR JUST MADE MY TOP TEN OF OH TEN LIST

    by BringingSexyBack

    It's a game changer alright!!

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 5:39 p.m. CST

    ONE WORD DESCRIBES AVATAR 3D IN IMAX: OUTSTANDING

    by BringingSexyBack

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 5:42 p.m. CST

    AND HERE ARE OTHER WORDS THAT DESCRIBE AVATAR

    by BringingSexyBack

    Dramatic. Moving. Touching. Uplifting. Devastating. Wow. Fuck me.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 5:46 p.m. CST

    NO DOUBT ZOE SALDANA WILL GET OSCAR NOM'D FOR THIS

    by BringingSexyBack

    Wotta performance!

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 5:50 p.m. CST

    MY EYES WELLED UP WHEN THE DESTRUCTION BEGAN

    by BringingSexyBack

    Now I know why the hippie tree huggers get so mad.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 5:50 p.m. CST

    Massawyrm a bitch nigga

    by Dr. Samuel Loomis

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 5:51 p.m. CST

    I HAVE BUT ONE REGRET ABOUT AVATAR

    by BringingSexyBack

    That it was done through Fox. Seriously, one of the most Liberal bleeding heart movies ever made ... through Fox?

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 5:53 p.m. CST

    THE NOBLE SAVAGE TALE - DONE THOUSAND TIMES OVER

    by BringingSexyBack

    There's a reason for that. Because it's a great fucking tale, and done justice by the master James Cameron. Welcome back pal.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 5:56 p.m. CST

    BringingSexyBack

    by Series7

    Just saw your favorite movie again. (500) Days of Gay. <P> Naw, surprised that I was still so into a second time around. I thought it wouldn't hold up at all. Fuck all the buzz Cloondawg and Renner are getting for possible acting awards, they are just acting like themselves through both movies. JGL gives an amazing performance. When I started watching it a second time AT first I was like OK this guys a little more forced then I remembered in theaters. But after 10 minutes that went away, and that whole expectation/reality shot, fucking devastating. Also I didn't remember how well the camera shots were. <P> I wish this was like gonna be like 77 again with a race between Avatar and (500) Days of Summer for movie of the year. I really wouldn't care if either won. But I'm thinking Avatar won't have 1/4 the impact it had in theaters as it will on VHS. But (500) Days of Summer is already a classic in my book. <P> Seriously if it comes down to Crap in the Air and the Hurt Locker? Thats lame. While Hurt Locker was good, its just sad that we haven't had a good adult thriller like that in SOOO long that everyone talks about how amazing it is. Its just one of those movie you think, WOW why can't all adult films be this solid? And Up In the Air is pitiful in every way. I've still yet to hear any real argument of why its good, except just for the plain fact THAT ITS SO GOOD! Like no specific examples of what sets is apart. Unless people like movies that dance around meaning and purpose and bring up big subjects and then say nothing about them. <P> So essentially movies about nothing.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 5:56 p.m. CST

    BringingSexy, Fox may be GOP Central...

    by ScaryWaitress

    ...but they're also total whores. Major Cameron Blockbuster = $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$, no matter what. You think FOX is going to turn down boatloads of money on PRINCIPLE??? LOL.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 5:57 p.m. CST

    Really

    by Series7

    Once we found out the big twist in Up In the Air, I almost expected to hear that Seinfeld bass line come up, then a freeze shot fade to black then Jerry doing some stand up. Roll credits.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 6:01 p.m. CST

    I NEVER LIKED MICHELLE RODRIGUEZ BEFORE. NOW I HEART HER.

    by BringingSexyBack

    When she turned back and refused to kill Na'vi, she never looked so sexy. Her character was not an unsubtle reminder of the Israeli soldiers who did the same thing. <P> http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/2009/01/20/idf-jails-officer-for-refusing-to-fight-in-gaza/

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 6:01 p.m. CST

    BringingSexy, did you just see it tonight?

    by ScaryWaitress

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 6:02 p.m. CST

    DID YOU GUYS CRY WHEN NEYTIRI FOUND HER FATHER?

    by BringingSexyBack

    Yeah, you did.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 6:03 p.m. CST

    YA SAW IT TODAY

    by BringingSexyBack

    Packed house of course, had to Fandango the tickets last week.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 6:05 p.m. CST

    Series7... I rarely go to the cinema now

    by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks

    having the bluray/projector has pretty near killed it for me. People just piss me off too much when they carry on when I'm trying to concentrate. It's really my biggest peeve. <p> The last movie I went to before Avatar was District 9 which I enjoyed immensely but waited forblu to catch it again. <p> Avatar however is now up to it's 4th viewing with a 5th only a week and a half away at IMAX(only seen it in realD so far, the IMAX being over two hours away). I can't figging wait. <p> You'll probably roast me for this but for me, this once, the hype was real. <p> So I guess through a long-winded ass way I'm sayin I won't be payin to see Up In The Air, though I will hire it at home, just to give it a chance.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 6:07 p.m. CST

    SERIES - DUDE THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT 500 DAYS IS

    by BringingSexyBack

    Instant classic. I agree - the Reality/Expectation sequence was devastating - precisely because which one of us had not gone through that? The pain was real because it spoke to each of our own experiences.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 6:07 p.m. CST

    God damnit

    by Series7

    There is music playing on my computer, and I got no idea where its coming from? Sounds like chick rock? This is making me crazy.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 6:09 p.m. CST

    I CRIED WHEN THAT FLAMING HORSE THING

    by saber12

    went by the screen.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 6:12 p.m. CST

    Hey BSB, isn't it fucking amazing

    by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks

    I said it above somewhere but Thankyou James Cameron for finally giving me a film where a guy is such a bad-ass he evacuates a crashing space ship by jumping out as it hits the ground in a mech-suit with his shoulder on fire. <p> Another bit I love is when the new chief jumps on the platform and starts chucking off humies...

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 6:12 p.m. CST

    Didn't cry when Neyteri found her wooden father...

    by conspiracy

    But I did get a fair sized erection and visions of angry sex looking at Michelle R. in her tank top. Damn that "PG-13" rating...she shoulda been bra-less.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 6:13 p.m. CST

    NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks

    by Series7

    Naw I don't care if you've seen Avatar more then once. I want to. <P> I want to see it in 2d just to compare. I probably would've buy now if I haven't been busy/snowed in/low cash flow. I want to see it in IMAX. A new IMAX opened near me just in time for Avatar, but its that IMAX experience crap, so I don't think its a real IMAX. Plus they opened it in an already there theater. <P> Man don't even waste your time with Up In the Air, its just like thank you for smoking, but with even less commentary on the subject matter (if even any at all) and a nothing ending not happy not sad. And probably not as funny, though I found neither of them to be funny in the first place.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 6:14 p.m. CST

    Whodathunk spinny pink things could be so pretty

    by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks

    James Cameron. That's who!

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 6:14 p.m. CST

    I TOTALLY SEE YOUR POINT YANKS

    by BringingSexyBack

    Talkback hyperbole fun aside, I'm not the type to really buy into hype. I go into a movie just wanting to be entertained. Avatar totally surpasses all expectations. Everyone who's seen it by now know the are few words to accurately describe the visual sensation. But for me, I also LOVED the story and performances. I was so moved - in so many directions. Just incredible. And 3D or not, IMAX or not, I know I'll be watching it time and again.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 6:17 p.m. CST

    cool dude, I get your meaning, award baiting is annoying

    by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks

    Mystic River being a prime example. I usually dig Eastwood, Penn, and Robbins, but that one bugged the shit outta me for some reason.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 6:17 p.m. CST

    SHINY BLUE CREATURES KICKING YOUR WALLET

    by saber12

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 6:19 p.m. CST

    Mystic River

    by Series7

    Yeah I remember seeing that then going? Ok, then waking up the next day thinking....what the fuck did I watch last night?

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 6:20 p.m. CST

    hahahaha

    by Series7

    This is funny. <P> http://www.atom.com/funny_videos/meth_toy_movies/

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 6:21 p.m. CST

    BSB... me too, it just resonated deeply

    by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks

    I found on repeated viewings I only get more pumped, the last time when Jake opened his Navi eyes at the end I was shaking. Last film to do that to me was Bram Stokers Dracula, which coincidentally has my previous record of 6 screenings. It might finally be matched if not beaten.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 6:23 p.m. CST

    HERE'S MY HOPE FOR AVATAR'S LEGACY

    by BringingSexyBack

    That the generation of children who see it today will grow up with its lessons and make our world better tomorrow - that they will take care of it unlike their parents who have raped it.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 6:24 p.m. CST

    NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks

    by Series7

    Speaking of people rude in theaters. Worst two for me. Rocky 6 opening night, dude next to us in a sold out theater. RING RING RING RING....Hello? No this isn't her phone? Who were you trying to get a hold of? Hmmmm what number did you have. Well whats their number? Oh yeah my number. Well no sorry I don't know them. <P> OH my fucking god dude picked a wrong call in the theater then proceeded to help the person find the right fucking number. <P> 10 PM showing of Speed Racer on a Monday. It was empty save for me and my girl and some lady and her 3 kids. About an hour in one of her kids is just sitting behind me kicking my chair. I turn and stare at him and he doesn't even stop, i ask him to stop and he doesn't. I look at his mom who's like 6 rows up and she just stares at me, I ask her to get her son and she says nothing. I was like, I don't care if you want to kick the back of chairs, thats fine the theater is empty but please not mine. And the kid was too young to just yell at.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 6:26 p.m. CST

    Wait last one

    by Series7

    Midnight showing of Wall-E. Some dude and his wife and kids where in the row in front me. The screen freezes with the PLEASE TURN OFF YOUR CELL PHONES for like 5 minutes before the movie. The dad yells "OK WE GET IT TURN OFF YOUR CELLS PHONES, MORONS FIX THE MOVIE." <P> Fucking 5 minutes into the movie, WHO SHOULD GET A CALL??????

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 6:27 p.m. CST

    Oh......no. BSB.....not you too?

    by odo19

    Say it aint so?

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 6:29 p.m. CST

    THERE WERE NO PROBLEMS WITH TALKERS IN MY VICINITY

    by BringingSexyBack

    Everybody pretty much had their jaws in their laps the whole time.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 6:31 p.m. CST

    [500] DAYS OF SUMMER was a piece of shit

    by reflecto

    Faux-indie fluff trying WAY too hard to make Zooey Deschanel into It Indie Girl. Instead all I saw her as was a fickle, thoughtless ice queen. Cliche all around.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 6:35 p.m. CST

    AFRAID SO ODO ...

    by BringingSexyBack

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 6:37 p.m. CST

    My worst...The Two Towers

    by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks

    At first it seemd great, the middle of a school day it was me and two mates, a couple of old guys about two rows in front and 2 teen boys about two in front of them. <p> These two boys talked loudly everytime Gollum wasn't onscreen and when he was they let out excited yelps. After about forty minutes I was insane. The two old guys seemed not to mind one bit. My friends were getting uncomfortable as they new my rage was peaking( I am really placid, have never been in an adult fight, yet if you know me you know not to fuck around with my movies). <p> I finally stood up and said loudly " Shut the Fuck or else." They proceeded to laugh so I went down and physically threatened them. That shut them right up. So taking my seat I tried to get back into the film. Then the usher appeared, walked up the aisle and flashed me in the eyes with his torch. <p> Well, I went fucking ballistic. Needless to say we all got our money back and my mates could not stop laughing. I never went back to that cinama again. Just thinking about it makes me angry... CUUUNTSSS!

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 6:37 p.m. CST

    REFLECTO - YOU THINK EVERYTHING IS FAUX INDIE

    by BringingSexyBack

    So what the fuck do you even know?

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 6:37 p.m. CST

    *silently weeps*

    by odo19

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 6:38 p.m. CST

    I am now...truly alone.....

    by odo19

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 6:39 p.m. CST

    BSB, in all my Avatar viewings, it just shut kids up

    by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks

    Fantastic stuff Cameron.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 6:43 p.m. CST

    It felt like 500 days watching that movie.

    by saber12

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 6:47 p.m. CST

    ODO - HAVE YOU CAUGHT AVATAR?

    by BringingSexyBack

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 6:49 p.m. CST

    My worst was the Coen Brother's remake...

    by odo19

    of The Lady Killers....which wasn't so good to begin with anyway now that I think of it. Anyway I got to the theatre with my friends and sat down. The previews were already on when this cartoonishly ghetto bit...err female sat down right next to me with her latest spawn on her lap. She constantly fucked around with her cell the entire movie. Texting mostly but she did pick up and have a conversation once as well. After the movie was over one of my compadres noticed that I had some sort of liquid on the sleeve of my sweater

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 6:50 p.m. CST

    Shit it got cut off...it was drool or vomit btw.

    by odo19

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 6:54 p.m. CST

    BSB fortunately no...

    by odo19

    I'm beginning to believe I've been dropped into my own hellish version of I am Legend. Sans dog though.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 6:56 p.m. CST

    ELDERLY PEOPLE ARE WORST WITH CONSTANT BATHROOM BREAKS

    by BringingSexyBack

    Wear Depends FFS!!!!

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 6:58 p.m. CST

    Avatar in one post

    by JettL93

    Sometime in the future People are still greedy just like they are in today's times, the humans want a rock on an alien planet. This rock in no way has a name that ridiculous.<P> "Hi i'm the main character named Jeff or Bill or something relatable like that. My accent will fade in and out throughout the film just so you American's don't feel like you're rooting for a Canadian or whatever country i'm from. Anyway, I had a twin brother who was smart but he died so I'm gonna take over his spot on some videogame planet. Oh I am also in a wheelchair because I got paralyzed in a war... war is bad! SYMPATHIZE ME!"<P> "Hi i'm scientist Sigourney Weaver. Rabble rabble I hate the main character, but deep down i'm nice and will eventually relate to you in a motherly way. Then David Fincher will kill you off in the first 5 minutes of the sequel...oh, wait"<P> "Hi i'm Giovani Ribisi, I don't know if my character has a name, but for plots sake lets say it's Carter Burke. I Will spend the movie getting in the good guy's way and trying to convince the audience I know how to act. I like business and war over freedom and nature..please hate me"<P> The main character becomes a videogame and acts like a retard so he gets separated from the rest of the team and he meets and falls in love with Smurfette.<P> "Hi i'm Smurfette, I like to use an acting technique that is mostly a form of crying or screaming and therefore you never know if I'm happy or sad. Plus I serve to confuse the male audience on whether they should be aroused from my oddly sexual body. Also judging from the number of legs and wings on everything else on this planet, I may or may not have two vaginas"<P> The Main character Billy gets wraped up in the videogame world and learns to fuck things with his tenticle ponytail dick to make them work. He decides to protect the planet from the humans because he is really trying to bone the main female Gungan and the military keeps cock blocking him.<P> "Hi I'm General Punching Van WarMuscles, I love war and I also love Steroids. I'm the director's lame attempt at sending a subliminal message that war is bad and it obsesses you. My redemable character traits are that I kind of look like the Hoff and I make angry war remarks while flexing my very oiled biceps"<P> The Stormtroopers attack with big bad army technology and the Ewok's fight back with Rocks and sticks. They lose at first but thats because they lack confidence. Everyone in the audience gets choked up when that one Ewok gets killed, even if they won't admit it to themselves.<P> Scientist Sigourney dies and gets eaten by Grandmother Willow Tree. Michelle Rodriguez acts like Michelle Rodriguez and then also dies because she was driving her ship while intoxicated.<P> Eventually the Ewoks win, because John Dunbar proves to Pocahontas that he is just like them because he can fly a Koopa Troopa as good as her Grandpa did. The smurfs capture the Stormtroopers and make them leave the planet all sad and defeated like. They let some people stay to be nice or if they are videogame prodigys who speak with a robot voice <P> The smurfs use Grandmother Willow Tree to make Sam Worthington turn into a smurf and forget he stared in Terminator Salvation.<P> The audience doesn't know how to interpret what they just saw But they do know that having just paid an hour's wage to see a movie surely entitles them to be a douchebag while trying to get an autograph at a busy airport.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 7:02 p.m. CST

    ODO - YOU NEED TO GIVE IT A SHOT

    by BringingSexyBack

    Forget the hype, this is without a doubt a sincere work from Cameron's heart.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 7:04 p.m. CST

    a fickle, thoughtless ice queen

    by Series7

    Isn't that the point of (500) Days of Summer. So then it worked for you Reflecto.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 7:07 p.m. CST

    I COULDN'T BEGIN TO IMAGINE ZOOEY IN IMAX 3D

    by BringingSexyBack

    At least with my pants up.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 7:09 p.m. CST

    MINKA KELLY WAS A DELIGHTFUL SURPRISE

    by BringingSexyBack

    as well as an erotic one.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 7:09 p.m. CST

    Oh that's what you meant.

    by odo19

    No, I did see it and hated it. Sorry.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 7:11 p.m. CST

    JettL do you have a explanation as to why..

    by odo19

    Harry said he never tried to give you a blackbox?? I mean come on man. I want to believe in you so badly but you're going to have to throw me a bone here.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 7:30 p.m. CST

    I went to Avatar with expectations of cotton Candy....

    by conspiracy

    which is why I ultimately enjoyed it for what it was. But nobody is ever going to convince me that anything but the visuals is worthy of much praise.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 7:33 p.m. CST

    is=are Fuck me...2010 and still no "edit" function.

    by conspiracy

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 7:39 p.m. CST

    I APOLOGIZE TO REFLECTO FOR MY RETORT

    by BringingSexyBack

    Series was right - Summer was not meant to be liked. Desired, yes, but not liked.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 7:43 p.m. CST

    Most of you guys here have low standards

    by saber12

    Christ, you think Zooey looks hot and Sunshine is best picture.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 7:43 p.m. CST

    Hey Jett...can you ask Bob Orci why he stopped visiting..

    by conspiracy

    was it something we said?

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 7:44 p.m. CST

    SPEAKING OF LOW STANDARDS, SABER

    by BringingSexyBack

    Whatever happened to your Lockebrokenleg handle? Was it banned?

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 7:49 p.m. CST

    AVATAR: NOTES FROM A HUMBLED SKEPTIC.

    by FlickaPoo

    ...not that anyone cares at this point. I don’t normally do this sort of thing, but I was a vocal AVATAR skeptic…I mostly just voiced my concerns about what I was seeing and hearing in the trailers and clips, but I did fire off the occasional flippant or derogatory remark if it seemed funny or cool enough. <P> I was wrong. <P> My only major beef is with the staggeringly incompetent and hopefully soon unemployed person who decided to put any and all questionable material in the trailers and promotional clips. The Charging The Bear scene was hopelessly cliché and has been beaten to death…but at two minutes in a nearly three hour move the irritation it caused was like a tablespoon of vinegar in an ocean of champagne…hardly worth mentioning. Dialogue that sounded corny and trite in the trailer made perfect sense in context. That villain absolutely would say things like “we’re not in Kansas anymore” just as much as he would say things like “hold your position” or “target at six o’clock”…that’s part of what made him villainous…that’s who that guy was, having him spout creatively evil Shakespearian metaphors would have been out of character. <P> A lot has been made of the familiar and/or stolen plot. Stealing is a dangerous game…it’s a big gamble and you better know what you’re doing. And Cameron did steal. Cameron stole not just from DANCES WITH WOLVES and FERN GULLY and the rest…he stole from the best of everything. He stole from Edgar Rice Burroughs, Jules Verne, Robert E. Howard, H. G. Wells and all the old pulp writers…he stole from BRAVEHEART and old classic war movies, he stole from LAST OF THE MOHICANS…I’m sure he stole from countless sources I’m not familiar with. Maybe I’m getting carried away here, but that kind of stealing doesn’t just get a pass…that kind of stealing is what art is made of. AVATAR rapes pillages and plunders all of storydom and mixes up a thousand recognizable influences into something I haven’t quite seen before. <P> I’ve read tens of thousands of words about AVATAR at this point, and even the harshest critics acknowledge that the visuals are impressive. I was completely unprepared for what I saw on Pandora. It took me a while to settle in, but by the time night fell and the bioluminescence that looked so cheesy on TV kicked in I was frankly a bit emotional at the majesty of what I was seeing. I’ve only had feelings like that on top of real mountains, in real forests, or in cathedrals in Europe…spine tingling awe and wonder. <P> A few effects were a little less amazing than others (the horses were the weakest animation) but hardly worth mentioning in light of the overall experience. Our hero’s disability and his wonder and glee at his new body was far more effective and moving than I imagined it would be and fit perfectly with my humbled exhilaration in Pandora’s jungle. Of all the familiar and re-mixed elements in AVATAR something I have never seen is a twelve foot alien that I now love cradling the broken and crippled body of her mate…seeing him as for the puny human he is…and loving all of him for real for the first time. <P> Strangely, as much as I loved it, I don’t feel an urge to see AVATAR again anytime soon unless it’s to share the experience with someone who hasn’t been yet. I certainly won’t see it in 2D. I have argued that a good movie shouldn’t rely on effects...that it should be just as good in 2D as in 3. Maybe, but I was on Pandora…I was there for real…and I don’t want to see a flat imitation on my TV at home. <P> Anyone reading this will be able to tell that I just got back and am still riding the high. I would probably be more measured in my praise tomorrow, and I will probably regret this post tomorrow. and I promise I will go back to poo flicking as soon as possible…but I'm a humbled skeptic. Avatar was one of the high points of my theatergoing life.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 8:18 p.m. CST

    Since it seems to be confession time around here...

    by ScaryWaitress

    This is my last Avatar post. I'm done talking about this movie. I'm leaving it with this: <P> A lot of you have given me shit for being a hater. I'm not. I actually give it a 7 out of 10, maybe 7.5. I LIKE a lot of it, and LOVE LOVE LOVE the visuals. <P> My arguments have been an attempt to get to the heart of context here. A lot of you seem to feel that, because Cameron is a GREAT MASTER, that his movies don't need to be held to the same standard as other movies by less monolithic directors. I don't feel that way. Period. That's all I've ever really tried to get at. I think that giving a "great director" a pass in a rather large area of filmmaking, on the grounds that other elements are unmatched- or on the grounds that he has years of great movies under his belt- is tantamount to the death of reason. <P> I'm not going to be the AsimovLives of Cameron, so I'm done with this subject from here on out. Those of you who loved it: I'm really glad you had the Big O in the theater. I wish I had. I ALSO wish I believed that Cameron could give it to me again... but I remain a skeptic in that, as well. <P> Peace, bitches... and no hard feelings. <P> To most of you, anyway.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 8:48 p.m. CST

    THAT WAS BEAUTEEFUL FLICKA AND SCARY

    by BringingSexyBack

    Hey, EVERY film has faults and Avatar certainly cannot be excused simply for being a Cameron picture. In my case, he's a mixed bag and I'm far from worshipful of him. I love Aliens and Titanic, like T1, ambivalent about T2 and Abyss and loathe True Lies. <P> With Avatar I took what I saw/experienced for what it was and that's how I base my opinion. To me, this WAS masterful because it appealed not only to my visual sense but emotionally too. And like Flicka said - it's like nothing you've seen before despite a familiar story, because Cameron had his own tale to tell. I'm glad to have witnessed this momentous event that will give birth (hopefully) to a new generation of great sagas told in an immersive experience. <P>

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 8:51 p.m. CST

    HANYOYO

    by BringingSexyBack

    I can only speak for myself and I'm sure you'll get a wide range of opinions ... but I think Avatar would most definitely hold up in 2D on a small screen. Like I said before, I loved the story. This movie had some great heartfelt moments.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 8:57 p.m. CST

    But, BringingSexy, that's what I don't get.

    by ScaryWaitress

    "With Avatar I took what I saw/experienced for what it was and that's how I base my opinion." <P> My question is re:the "saw it for what it was" part. I don't get it. That to me implies that you're not just basing it on your experience, but that you have some objective knowledge of "what the movie was." How can you REALLY know anything, outside your own experience? This is an argument I see a lot on these boards, and I don't get where this secret knowledge is coming from.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 9:11 p.m. CST

    saber12

    by Jaka

    Stop following me around making shitty comments about my posts and I'll stop calling you out on you inane, nonsensical, unintelligent bullshit. I mean really, you think comparing me to asimovlives is going to like, set me off or something. Shoo fly, shoo.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 9:32 p.m. CST

    Btw Scary

    by Jaka

    I don't believe for one second that you paid to go see this movie. And if you did then my opinion of your posts dropped even further. Why would anyone in their right mind bash a movie to the extent that you did and then drop $15 to go see it? Simple answer, they didn't. They just changed their angle so they could get a longer run out of the beating-their-head-on-the-wall arguments against this film. Nothing you have said about it since you've "seen it" is any different than what you were saying before when you strip away the "my eyes were fucked" veneer. Oh, and happy new year!

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 9:41 p.m. CST

    Jaka

    by saber12

    You're boring and you just argue on about stupid shit.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 9:41 p.m. CST

    Jaka...

    by ScaryWaitress

    ...weak. <P> Look, I get we've had our disagreements, but this is pretty much an all-new low. You're going to "throw me under the bus" and impugn me, with no way for me to prove otherwise? <P> You are one insecure little boy. I think, if you're going to talk that shit, the onus is on you to prove otherwise. Step up, little man. Otherwise, you're not just dead to me as far as Cameron is concerned... we're done.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 9:47 p.m. CST

    BARNABY JONES

    by frank cotton

    sucked. not even old people watched it, and they loved MATLOCK. therefore, you suck. and your name does, too

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 9:49 p.m. CST

    Titus05

    by anyrandomhero

    Have you checked out romance of the three kingdoms,the historical book that red cliff is based on? Red Cliff is literally just one of hundreds of battles in the original material.<br><br> The powers that be thought that because the Chinese are already very familiar with the characters then we wouldn't be able to grasp the full story so cut it out! Arseholes....

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 9:54 p.m. CST

    ScaryWaitress aahaahahaaa

    by Jaka

    Thank you for proving me right. That was too easy.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 9:58 p.m. CST

    Jaka, you mean you can't do it.

    by ScaryWaitress

    You couldn't even come up with some pointed questions? Stuff not in clips? You're that lazy? <P> Fail. <P> You have yourself a special life, honeychile.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 10:01 p.m. CST

    SCARY - LET ME REPHRASE THAT

    by BringingSexyBack

    My opinion is based on what I saw and experienced today from my viewing. <P> That's what I mean ...

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 10:06 p.m. CST

    Scary

    by Jaka

    What the hell are you talking about? You mean, like you did? lol Stop changing around you argument trying to distract from the real point. My question was simple and you didn't answer it. Why would you pay to go see a movie you swore up and down in literally THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS OF WORDS that you already hated? Answer, you didn't! YOU haven't said one thing that couldn't have been found from an easy perusal of this board, or the internet in general. Seeing as how you have had something negative to say against pretty much EVERY POSITIVE POST on this site I'm sure you have it all memorized by now. So YOU prove it. YOU make me believe that the last Avatroll on this board actually PAID to go see something that was previously, seemingly, anathema to them. And really, it's great how easily you continue to argue after you said you were "done". Typical. And way. Too. Easy.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 10:09 p.m. CST

    BringingSexy...

    by ScaryWaitress

    ...I respect that, and you for saying it. <P> I meant what I said earlier. If anyone had the cinematic Big O at Avatar, that fucking rocks. It's what we all hope for. For all my sass, I paid my dough because I thought there was a better than even chance that I might actually be blown away, all the way. <P> The Pirahnas 3-D trailer was not a good sign though... am I right? Was that playing everywhere? WHAT THE FUCK???? Talk about powers being used for evil. Jesus Jumping Christ.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 10:09 p.m. CST

    Scaryasshole

    by saber12

    She's a troll. She's just here for attention. You can bash Avatar all you like. But, there are NORMAL people out there that like it.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 10:11 p.m. CST

    ...SexyBack, I think I need to see a Dr. Geek about...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...my feelings for Neytiri. I've already confessed my feelings to Mrs. FlickaPoo.<P>It isn't lust...I want to build a tree house for her...paint it blue, and live there forever...

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 10:16 p.m. CST

    ...Jaka, I probably haven't seen every one of Scary's...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...posts, but she always and only claimed to be a hardcore skeptic. More skeptical than me, but I shared all of her posted doubts about the trailers.<P>The movie won me completely over, but apparently only partially won her over. She's been praising the visuals all day...she still has problems with the story. I can respect that.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 10:17 p.m. CST

    Ace of Wands

    by Series7

    Ight. If you just wanna be a douche about it? I wasn't trying to be a dick. Like I said before about Avatar that yeah the love story felt natural and all, but it just felt so obvious. And like I said before how the movie may have been better if it had just been a guy he had befriended, so they didn't have to move to the logical conclusion of the romance. <P> I said the classic love story because thats what Avatar is, yes its told good. But I didn't feel the connection between the two leads. <P> Nor do I nor my wife feel that the story between him and his wife felt tacked on. It made perfect sense, they were already husband and wife so we didn't have to see any courtship. I think it made for more interesting love story because you didn't know how it would end up. Would she believe her dad or him. With Avatar since it is something we've seen a million times before you knew exactly what was going to happen the moment they met. <P> And yes I see you like to jump to conclusions but I am serious about The Princess and The Frog. Its a damn good movie. I said that comment because your response was weak in argument.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 10:22 p.m. CST

    Ace

    by Series7

    Also, how is Aliens a love story? Mother Daughter thing?

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 10:25 p.m. CST

    ScaryWaitress and Avatar

    by 900LBGorilla

    ScaryWaitress hasn’t seemed unreasonable from what I’ve read….frankly Avatar’s story looks very pedestrian to me as well (and has been described that way by the few reviews I’ve read and by the people I know who saw it already). <p> I have not yet seen it, but will. <p> I have very little hope for a great story though…and though not meant as an insult to him, BSBs orgasm over this being a lib-festival has done nothing to assuage my fears. <p> Hollywood is almost always at its worst when it gets political (They display their ignorance as far as I‘m concerned-just one general example being their constant bashing if big business- and though I am no fan of monopolies, these same people love strong governments - which have a FAR worse historical track record of atrocities than any business could ever hope to). <p> More importantly, in the past Cameron has been great on a story level as well as a technical one …if this is just the former- this will amount to a failure for Cameron as far as I’m concerned.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 10:32 p.m. CST

    Series7

    by ScaryWaitress

    I LOVE how subtle the almost-romance is between Ripley and Hicks. It was SO COOL how it never became a hero-kiss-the-heroine moment. BRILLIANT. I don't think I've ever seen its like since. Hollywood does not allow that shit to happen. <P> In the extended version, they tell each other their first names... it's as good as a sloppy wet kiss. Seriously.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 10:35 p.m. CST

    ScaryWaitress and Avatar

    by 900LBGorilla

    I meant if this is just the latter

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 10:38 p.m. CST

    ...900LBGorilla, I was right there with you until...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...I saw it today.<P>Keep that attitude...you'll have a good time.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 10:47 p.m. CST

    FlickaPoo

    by Jaka

    Exactly. So, according to all of her novel lengths worth of arguments against Cameron's dialogue, now, imagine that! She was right all along! I don't understand how it's not clear to anybody else. But whaaaateeever. I'll leave her alone now.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 11 p.m. CST

    Flickapoo/ScaryWaitress

    by 900LBGorilla

    I hope so, love Cameron‘s old movies…but he’s been off a long time…and this seems a more standard/Hollywood type story for him…hopefully I will be pleasantly surprised. Though I am sure this will not be anything like a lucas-type catastrophe, all the pretty colors in the prequels just made those disasters worse for me. <p> I do like what I’ve heard about a complete ecosystem. David Gerrold (Yes the Trouble with Tribbles David Gerrold) wrote some fabulous sci fi books about a biological based alien invasion in his War Against the Chtorr series (he’s actually still writing the final 2 books). I found the detailed ecosystem he described as supplanting ours as very interesting- now that I think on it - it sounds like Cameron may have lifted some of that- the Chtorran eco-system is described as far more dangerous than ours on every ecological niche as it evolved longer- and we watch the different niches replacing our own - sounds similar to what Cameron shows here in detail. (Great books in a Heinlein Style- but I think much better than R Heinlein-from a writing and scientific standpoint). <p> Good point on Ripley and Hicks Scary.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 11:14 p.m. CST

    Avatat better than True Lies and Abyss

    by saber12

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 11:28 p.m. CST

    joshuavance1701

    by BurnHollywood

    Golly gee, again you hurt my feelings with naughty talk...<p> Not so much. Anyway, I understand your need to resort to scatological excess...your arguments are so weak, you need to pad them out any way you can. I GUESS this trick might work if you were arguing with a thirteen-year-old girl...a fourteen-year-old would just kick your ass and give your panties a wedgy.<p> Anyway, let's look at your latest gem without the potty-speak:<p> "The universe did rectify itself - The crew of the Enterprise united and began their adventures, that was the whole point, you are clearly just uninformed about Star Trek. It's called manifest destiny. There was a line omitted from the film where Spock Prime mentions just that to Kirk as far as HOW he came to discover him, but they felt it was too obvious and spoon feeding the audience. Allegory and subtext clearly escape you."<p> "Manifest Destiny"? "Allegory"? "Subtext"? ROFLMMFAO! Naw kiddo, it goes by another accursed name:<p> "DEUS EX MACHINA, a person or thing (as in fiction or drama) that appears or is introduced suddenly and unexpectedly and provides a CONTRIVED solution to an apparently insoluble difficulty."<br> (Courtesy of Merriam-Webster online, emphasis mine)<p> ...Well known as the laziest possible storytelling technique.<p> You get points for giving me a good laugh with a bad hangover, though...especially the part where Mr. Deus (God, The Universe, Rodenberry's Ghost, whoever) decides not to save untold millions or billions on Vulcan. No, He just wants a teeny-bopper TREK crew to come together...screw the pointy-eared hobgoblins, and especially Spock's mama and Kirk's papa.<p> (Why doesn't Mr. Deus just have a black hole do what a black hole actually does and destroy the Romulan miners before they even arrive...? Aw, ferget it)

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 11:32 p.m. CST

    900LBGORILLA

    by BringingSexyBack

    It's true that Avatar spoke directly to my Liberal sensitivities but it's by no means Michael Moore 3D. Don't worry about it and just go with an open mind. Some stories just have universal, human appeal. I believe this to be such. Enjoy.

  • Jan. 1, 2010, 11:58 p.m. CST

    ScaryWaitress

    by BurnHollywood

    "I LOVE how subtle the almost-romance is between Ripley and Hicks. It was SO COOL how it never became a hero-kiss-the-heroine moment. BRILLIANT. I don't think I've ever seen its like since. Hollywood does not allow that shit to happen."<p> Another thing that Hollywood DEFINITELY didn't allow to happen (at least, in 1979) was in the original ALIEN: Ripley and Lambert are shown (in a deleted scene from the box set) to be in a relationship together (this isn't even mentioned in the Alan Dean Foster novelization). Little wonder it was removed...this is before the shitstorm that the lesbian relationship in PERSONAL BEST caused three years later, in '82.<p> How this ties back into Cameron is in a poignant shot after Ripley's return to earth...as images of the deceased crew of the Nostromo flash on the company's display screen as she's dressed down, she gives an emotional glance at the image of Lambert. Perhaps Cameron worked her sexual preferences from the original movie into his unspoken backstory for Ripley. Just a thought.<p> (And yeah, I know Ripley had a daughter...so do a lot of gay couples these days)

  • Jan. 2, 2010, 7:15 a.m. CST

    BurnHollywood, I forgot about that!

    by ScaryWaitress

    Wow. <P> I would be willing to bet that Weaver was the one who added that little touch at the beginning of aliens, though. She has pretty good instincts in general... just my thought.

  • Jan. 2, 2010, 8:50 a.m. CST

    Scary Waitress? Ace of Wands?

    by TheJokesOnUs

    New faces? Or old ones with new names? See, this is why this site should be updated. At least with the AVClub you get profiles you can view when you click on a name.

  • Jan. 2, 2010, 9:40 a.m. CST

    Jett

    by rogueleader66

    Didn't get to write District 9 so I guess he is pissed off huh? Yet he has some twisted idea that Michael Bay is "great". Yea, he proves every day more and more that he is so full of shit. He is no Hollywood "insider" no big player, just a poor schmuck typing away in his mom's basement dreaming of a life he won't ever have. Let us pity the poor fool.

  • Jan. 2, 2010, 12:16 p.m. CST

    No Hurt Locker?

    by willy_25

    Now most of these movies I haven't seen (I've been dying to see moon, anything with Sam Rockwell in it and I'm there), but aside from Star Trek and No Country For Old Men nothing had me on the edge of my seat more than the Hurt Locker.

  • Jan. 2, 2010, 12:21 p.m. CST

    Bring Sexy Back

    by 900LBGorilla

    Michael Moore in 3D- now THAT’S a Scary though! <p> I’ll go in with an open mind though BSB. Hopefully we’ll agree on something for once…we rarely seem to have such chances for that.

  • Jan. 2, 2010, 3:43 p.m. CST

    TOP films of the DECADE

    by sledgehammer5050

    You ever get tired of all these "artsy films" that only these film buffs on the net get to see and then they poist 'em on their top lists and we have no idea what they're talking about? I do. So, if you'd like to see a list of the common man who really likes film, go here: http://matteddie.eblogus.com/

  • Jan. 2, 2010, 3:43 p.m. CST

    But Jett DID write Avatar!!!

    by Jaka

    According to one of his other recent posts. Unfortunately... Cameron didn't like his draft... aaahahaahaahaahahaa!!!!

  • Jan. 2, 2010, 3:49 p.m. CST

    Avatar had no plot?

    by Jaka

    Evidently I saw a different movie then, because I thought the plot was pretty clear and simple (and actually somewhat multi-layered when you take into account the military angle, the Sigourney and her team side, both parts of the Jake Sully story, the exploring the native world segments and the clash of the natives against all of the above). I also completely disagree with all the dialogue bashing and "cartoonish" effects comments. The only cheese dialogue for me was from the mother/healer character. As flickapoo pointed out, everything the military douche said fit his character perfectly. The only cartoonish looking effects were when all the Na'vi were doing the swaying back and forth together bits. That looked silly.

  • Jan. 2, 2010, 4:55 p.m. CST

    Avatar

    by TheMandrakeRoot

    I understand where the Avatar story criticisms come from, and I don't think anyone is denying that it's a familiar yarn we all know. In fact you could probably read a short synopsis for the film and make a pretty damn good guess about how it's gonna end. But that's beside the point...familiar story does NOT equal bad story. This is a classic tale that deserves to be retold every so often, and I don't think anyone can say they've seen the story told like this before. You think people would flock to this movie if it really were just another Dances With Wolves, or Fern Gully? This movie presents more fascinating ideas then just about any sci-fi flick in recent memory. The idea of a living avatar, the contrast between Pandoras vibrant beauty and Hell's Gates cold blandness, the blurred line between dreams and reality, or the physical link that connects all things on Pandora - take your pick - and that's only scratching the surface. <p> For me personally - inventive, top-notch visuals and action aside - the story resonated with more then any film of recent I've seen. And it was upon the second viewing that the film REALLY got to me; the warm intimate moments between Jake and Neytiri; Jake risking everything he gained with the Na'vi by trying to help them and his eventual redemption by taming that big-bad motherfucker; the destruction of Hometree; trying to save Grace; the Thanators tragic demise; and the iconic and powerful last 10 minutes. I know a film has done something right when both it's triumphant and tragic moments cause me to well up slightly. I also found the characters to be extremely likable and engaging, with Jake and Neytiris romance affecting and engaging just like Jack and Rose's 12 years before that, and Sarah and Kyle's almost 3 decades ago. I found Neytiri to be another solid addition to Camerons long line of top-notch female characters.

  • Jan. 2, 2010, 4:56 p.m. CST

    Avatar (continued)

    by TheMandrakeRoot

    Do I think some of the characters could have been fleshed out more? Sure. Could the plot have had an extra twist or turn? Not necessary, but sure, why not. We also get - in true Cameron fashion - a handful of cheesy one-liners, along with a handful of some of the most kickass lines heard in years. But none of that is what Avatar is about. Cameron knows good story - read his original Avatar treatment, there's certainly more going on in terms of surprises and character development. Heck, I'm also certain that a bunch of footage was cut from the film due to IMAX reasons...and as Cameron says, instead of cutting around the edges he just cuts out whole subplots. I'm certainly crossing my fingers for a directors cut, but regardless of that, his theatrical works exactly how Avatar is supposed to work. It is simply put, the adventure of the decade. This film takes viewers on such a fascinating, exhilarating ride, the likes of which we have never seen before. We're constantly pushed back and forth from reality to surreality, and it's a beautiful thing to behold. <p> You see, Pandora is just as much the films protagonist as Jake Sully is. We the audience love Pandora, we wish it actually existed, and we want to see it thrive and flourish, not be torn to shreds. There are the loud "OH FUCK" moments necassary for any thrilling adventure, but what sets Avatar apart from the amateurs is the FX are not used to just pop-eyeballs, but we get intimate interactions that are completely alien, yet completely artistic and lyrical. Small moments that no amount of great dialogue or exposition could ever compare to. And when it's all said and done, Avatar is Avatar...this story would have never been told without the CGI. It was Camerons vision from the beginning to make aliens and an alien planet look as real as our own planet. Maybe it's not 100% there yet, but it's damn sure the closest we've ever seen, by leaps and bounds. At the end of the day, film is a VISUAL MEDIUM. As much as I love a good character drama, cinema would not be nearly as fun or intriguing without the big guns like Avatar. Avatar is a wide-appeal entertainment that does NOT dumb itself down. Unlike it's competitors - Transformers 2, 2012, G.I Joe - it does not rely on solely visuals to attract audiences and make it's money. You disagree? Check out the massive weekend to weekend drop offs on the box office. People can see through the bullshit...no body is going to recommend near 3-hour robot-fighting porn to their parents to see, or no one is going to insist to everyone they know that it's imperative they watch the Vatican get tossed apart by Roland Emmerich. The visuals wow, but the core is empty. Avatar is a thoroughly enriching movie, and like other iconic films like Star Wars, The Dark Knight, Titanic, etc, it's doing what few other movies can do - sustaining itself on amazing word-of-mouth.

  • Jan. 2, 2010, 5:04 p.m. CST

    ...TheMandrakeRoot...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...I busted your chops for drooling over this so sloppily before it came out...now I'm telling everyone I know they have to see it. And anyone with kids I'm telling them the OWE it to their kids to see it with them(even if the parent ends up not liking it)...it'll be like seeing STAR WARS with my Dad when I was five...a definitive Father/Son moment.

  • Jan. 2, 2010, 9:55 p.m. CST

    I'll add Avatar to my Top 10

    by reflecto

    Probably at #4 or 5. Excellent fun; yes it was a cliched, ancient story, yes it's corny in spots, yes it's manipulative, but it is an old-style Hollywood epic that makes good. Reminds me of Ford doing CHEYENNE AUTUMN; after all these years, Cameron has gone from the symbol of '80s macho entertainment to a wild radical in the forest; even Ripley and Vasquez go native - this time, at the climax, the "queen monster" wins and the power loader loses. With the very broad brushstrokes of Trudy Chacon donning Viet Cong-esque "Hanoi Jane" warpaint, capped by the vehement exile of the "white devils" from Pandora - something that would NEVER happen in any other similar "historical" pic like Dances With Wolves - Cameron does as Quentin Tarantino did in Basterds, rewriting history according to cinema's rules, where there are no rules.

  • the same universe?

  • Jan. 2, 2010, 10:35 p.m. CST

    Reflecto.

    by Jaka

    No, you're totally not. It's the first thing my brother and I discussed upon leaving the theater: the "alternate Ripley" concept, as well as how much some of the military and science tech reminded us of Aliens in general. In fact, I'd actually really like to see Cameron make another Alien or Terminator from post Avatar. May or may not happen, but it would be interesting to see how his current worldview would be reflected upon those films. We also wondered how much of Avatar has to do with his repeated deep ocean dives. I understand that he had done many drawings and had a lot of the ideas previous to those experiences. But I'm sure diving to bottom of the sea, hanging around the Titanic has got to have some kind of affect on you.

  • Jan. 2, 2010, 11:01 p.m. CST

    Do-deska'den? I haven't heard of that for years.

    by kabong

    I saw that when I went to the film course showings. I didn't take the course, I just went to see the films. <P> But I don't get the Avatar connection. <P> Do desk a den, do desk a den, do desk a den . . .

  • Jan. 2, 2010, 11:25 p.m. CST

    I'm at a loss where to post my revised Top 10 when it's done

    by reflecto

    I still have a couple films like Dr. Parnassus, Tetro, White Ribbon, Up In The Air, the 2-part Red Cliff, and Police Adjective to get through. But poor little HK flick Magazine Gap Road, which is a LOVELY Lynchian Asian noir, got bumped from my top 10 for Avatar, while District 9 and Trek and a few others are also just (very) honorable mentions. In The Loop is spectacular, as is The Headless Woman.

  • Jan. 2, 2010, 11:26 p.m. CST

    Dodeskaden joke had to do w/argument about Avatar

    by reflecto

    Cameron "keeping it too simple" and relying on emotion and imagery, or so people thought; I don't quite agree. Never mind, I was out of my head.

  • Jan. 2, 2010, 11:31 p.m. CST

    Ace of wands regarding Hans yoyo

    by 900LBGorilla

    Not sure what your problem with Hans comments are Ace….He didn’t say he made his final decision on this movie and won’t until he sees it on video. <p> Your assertion that he has to see this in the cinema before having this impression makes no sense. EVERYONE comes up with such impressions prior to seeing movies. That’s how we decide whether not to shell out a decent buck to see it in a theatre. <p> This has zero to do with being “open minded”- it’s part of the obvious and natural decision making process above. I am sure you have done the exact same thing with Transformers 2, GI Joe, Titanic or some other such movie- and if you haven’t then you are the rare exception that must watch as many movies in a theater as a paid critic. <p> James Cameron has made some great movies- but he is by no means exempt from this purchase related pre-judgment…well unless he and the studio decide to let us all in to the film for free…

  • Jan. 2, 2010, 11:32 p.m. CST

    Where The Wild Things Are is still heartbreaking BTW

    by reflecto

    I will hear no words against it.

  • Jan. 2, 2010, 11:50 p.m. CST

    Regardless of how you decide what to pay..

    by Jaka

    ...to see in a theater, I think there's another point to be made about basing people going to see this "because it's Cameron". Titanic was 12 years ago. Terminator was 25 years ago! That means all of his classic, or just "known" films are between 12 and 25 years old. One of the people I saw Avatar with was only 15 years old. To him, the sum total of Cameron's previous work meant absolutely NOTHING when deciding he wanted to see Avatar. To him, "it looked cook". Was he completely blown away? Yes, he was. Will it affect his views on film for years to come, and maybe the rest of his life? Yes, I think it will. But if you could have heard how incredulous he sounded when he overheard on the way home, "it's been twelve years since he made Titanic". "THE SAME GUY MADE TITANIC?!" See, to him, that's just some sappy love story that his Mom and Sister watch. It has no relation to his life as a 15 year old boy. Of all the reasons people were going on about as to why this film "had to be seen", I actually think "because it's Cameron" should fall pretty far down the list. Just my two cents, though.

  • Jan. 2, 2010, 11:51 p.m. CST

    It looked "cook"? Hah!

    by Jaka

    I meant, COOL, of course.

  • Jan. 3, 2010, 1:21 a.m. CST

    reflecto

    by Series7

    Tetro was pretty cool, kind of loses some toward the end. <P> also if you haven't already you need to see Black Dynamite. How that does make everyones top ten list show up make sticks their really are up peoples asses these days.

  • Jan. 3, 2010, 1:28 a.m. CST

    Black Dynamite is fun, but forgettable

    by reflecto

    The best thing about it is Michael Jai White who deserves so much more work and respect.

  • Jan. 3, 2010, 2:34 a.m. CST

    TheJokesOnUs

    by BurnHollywood

    100% agree with you. New decade, time for a makeover.<p> We should get:<br> * 50x50 avatars (hate big obnoxious ones, myself)<br> * Profile page with e-mail, Facebook, Twitter, etc. links<br> * "Member Since", post count and rating info (so you can tell playas like me from the riff-raff)<p> There's always "The Zone", but like any forum, it's pretty much just another meandering, directionless chat club...yawn. Talkbacks tend to be more specific, and because they "expire" (fall off the page) they stay "fresh".<p> Chop, chop, Harry...make us happy.

  • Jan. 3, 2010, 3:22 a.m. CST

    AVATAR FUCKING ROCKED!!!!

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    And it makes tons of money, bwahahahahahaha!!!<p>Screw the haters!

  • Jan. 3, 2010, 11:45 a.m. CST

    Avatar, over one billion worldwide...

    by SK229

    regardless of what you think of the movie (I just saw it this weekend and it pretty much blew my mind... and I expected it to suck), that is pretty insane. It's only been out for 17 days. There was a moment before the movie that I heard two people behind me saying they had seen it three times already. What's funny is that less than two weeks ago, there were articles DEBATING whether or not it would make over a billion dollars worldwide. And it just opened in China yesterday, I believe, where it's expected to do really well. I believe it's going to have an extremely long run, just like Titanic, and will probably wind up with $700 million domestic (it will easily double it's current take) and just over $2 billion worldwide. <p>One of the big reasons for this is that after seeing it, I think it's going to be something people keep going back to, even MONTHS later just for the transporting experience... kind of like going on a ride at Disney or something. If ever there was a movie that completely took you some place else and made you feel that you were no longer dealing with your problems here on earth, this is it. And that's EXACTLY what people are looking for right now... something that doesn't just give you a bunch of flash and FX for two hours but actually makes you feel as if you've traveled to another world. Until movies like Iron Man or Clash of the Titans come out, there's not much else to take away from the Avatar experience. Even then, I can see people going to see Avatar again just to compare the way FX heavy movies were to the way they are now. Even though those movies are technically newer than Avatar, I think they're going to have a 'been there, done that' feel from now on. I think FX-heavy genre movies have to fall into one of three schools now to be successful... 1) District 9 - if you're mixing live-action and cg and spend over $100 million, then you should be able to at least match the photo-realism of a movie that cost one third that amount. 2) Avatar - If you are going to go CG heavy or claim to completely immerse audiences in a new world, this movie is now the Everest that you have to climb. 3) The Dark Knight - fuck cg, flip a truck over FOR REAL and you don't have to worry about it looking fake. <p>On a side note, if Cameron felt like king of the world 12 years ago, he must now feel like Jesus Christ himself, having beat the odds and the naysayers yet again.

  • Jan. 3, 2010, 12:06 p.m. CST

    why the fuck

    by inkingeekX

    did I have to endure months of, "Dances with Smurfs" diatribes concerning Avatar and yet I never heard one comment made about district 9 being the fly with a social message?

  • Jan. 3, 2010, 2:25 p.m. CST

    Ace of Wands - proving the mentally challenged can type

    by 900LBGorilla

    Seriously Ace, you just wrote one of the stupidest replies I have ever had the misfortune of reading - all the while managing to dodge the entire point of my post. <p> First off, your entire premise about Hans is incorrect (nice starting point for your average village idiot). He never said he “has his mind made up” He indeed has said the EXACT OPPOSITE- that his impression could be wrong and that he will make up his mind when he sees it on video. Maybe your reading comprehension comes in below the second grade level so you somehow managed to miss that even though you REPOSTED one of those direct quotes from him…(To miss the essential point of something you took the time to re-post is an amazing feat- congratulations moron!) <p> Secondly you dodged the point of my post- so are you going to sit there and tell me that you NEVER come up with an impression of a movie based on a trailer and some reviews/peoples comments as a means of deciding whether or not you are going to pay to see something? If so, you are either a liar or too stupid to realize that you do this regularly - as I am sure you don’t pay to see every movie that is released to a theatre. <p> Thirdly, I am so happy that you took your mouth off Cameron’s cock long enough to basically demand that anyone who is not an idiot or has not prejudged this movie unfairly must do what is right and pay to see this in a Theatre as Cameron designed it to be viewed in. (Yeah all you wankers who want to wait for video- listen to ace- don’t bother - you haters fail). <p> Finally, Ace, you are certainly in a better position than Hans or I at this point to rate the film since you have seen it (I have yet to, and Hans is waiting for DVD). However, neither of us has claimed otherwise - unfortunately based on your semi-coherent and raving fan boy posts I wouldn’t trust you anymore than the average Prequel Star Wars nerd as you are clearly too close to this - either on said nerd level or as Cameron’s gay lover to speak rationally on the subject. Anyone who insults someone that commits the heresy of deigning to not pay to see a movie (and has openly asked what about is worthy from those who have seen it) has ZERO credibility on the matter…Hence you are now “Ace of Zero Cred“.

  • Jan. 3, 2010, 5:34 p.m. CST

    Am I the only one that found Up in the Air, smug, self-congratul

    by Demosthenes2

    Anyone? Bueller? All it said was, you need other people, not just objects, in your life, to be happy; compassion. How is that deep? I do, however, agree that Taking Woodstock was underrated.

  • Jan. 3, 2010, 7:33 p.m. CST

    THEN HANYOYO WILL BE MISSING OUT

    by BringingSexyBack

    No doubt I am looking forward to seeing Avatar at home too. But to willfully deny yourself the theatrical experience that people the world over are rapturously sharing in? That's a mistake.

  • Jan. 3, 2010, 11:12 p.m. CST

    Ace of zero Cred 2 paint by numbers

    by 900LBGorilla

    Let me make this reaaaallly simple for you Ace- Hans has made up his mind that he is not spending money on this in a theatre. Here is a little nugget of reality for you…Read this twice and slooooowly as you don’t seem….to….get….it. <p> Hans has said that he “will…. have…. an…. opinion…… of…. the… film… when… I… get… around… to… seeing… it.” <p> Do you understand these words? They are not that hard to comprehend despite this being my third post to you in addition to his….really…just read slower… <p> All Hans has made up his mind on is that he is not going to see it in the theatre. He has said repeatedly that his current impression could be wrong…and that he WILL eventually form a full impression when he watches it- on video….i.e. making a decision on how long to WAIT to see a movie- is NOT the same thing as having an opinion on the product….duuuuhhhhh…..do you gets this yet? (hopefully we have established this in post number 5 counting his and mine together). <p> And you AMAZINLY AGAIN managed to dodge my point. For the THIRD time I put my question to you- (perhaps this time it will permeate the rock between your ears though I doubt it) <p> Ready? Here it goes: Do YOU Ace ever make decisions to delay your viewing of a movie based on trailers and hearsay? If the answer is YES- then you are a hypocrite and moron for calling Hans names for doing the same thing. If the answer is NO- then you are a liar as well a hypocrite because we already know the answer is that YOU do this as well. <p> And yes I understand your final; blathering point when you say "instead of being under the "impression" of what others - myself included- say about a film why don't you go and see it and make up your own mind". Indeed I already answered this idiotic comment numerous times - but you didn’t catch that either so here…it… goes… again…. You are basically saying that either you -Ace - see all films in the theatre or somehow you- Ace - are the arbiter of which movies everyone must pay to see in a theatre unless they are idiots. (Everyone wait for Ace’s list and remember- if you don’t see all movies Ace demands that you see in a theatre then you are a loser and a moron. It is not permitted that you wait until video you clueless jerks. Ace has decreed it so- and Ace is really smart). <p> In other words Ace stick a cork in it. Someone saying they have decided to wait for video and will make a final conclusion about the film then (which may prove their current impression wrong) is an unassailable position. YOU FAIL. As is a smart script, a great story, clever editing and interesting characters. I could be completely wrong, but I'm not under the impression Avatar has any of those qualities, let alone several. Am I wrong and regardless of how it's viewed Avatar is a stunning film for many reasons?

  • Jan. 3, 2010, 11:14 p.m. CST

    Ace of zero Cred 2 paint by numbers corrected

    by 900LBGorilla

    Let me make this reaaaallly simple for you Ace- Hans has made up his mind that he is not spending money on this in a theatre. Here is a little nugget of reality for you…Read this twice and slooooowly as you don’t seem….to….get….it. Hans has said that he “will…. have…. an…. opinion…… of…. the… film… when… I… get… around… to… seeing… it.” Do you understand these words? They are not that hard to comprehend despite this being my third post to you in addition to his….really…just read slower… All Hans has made up his mind on is that he is not going to see it in the theatre. He has said repeatedly that his current impression could be wrong…and that he WILL eventually form a full impression when he watches it- on video….i.e. making a decision on how long to WAIT to see a movie- is NOT the same thing as having an opinion on the product….duuuuhhhhh…..do you gets this yet? (hopefully we have established this in post number 5 counting his and mine together). And you AMAZINLY AGAIN managed to dodge my point. For the THIRD time I put my question to you- (perhaps this time it will permeate the rock between your ears though I doubt it) Ready? Here it goes: Do YOU Ace ever make decisions to delay your viewing of a movie based on trailers and hearsay? If the answer is YES- then you are a hypocrite and moron for calling Hans names for doing the same thing. If the answer is NO- then you are a liar as well a hypocrite because we already know the answer is that YOU do this as well. And yes I understand your final; blathering point when you say "instead of being under the "impression" of what others - myself included- say about a film why don't you go and see it and make up your own mind". Indeed I already answered this idiotic comment numerous times - but you didn’t catch that either so here…it… goes… again…. You are basically saying that either you -Ace - see all films in the theatre or somehow you- Ace - are the arbiter of which movies everyone must pay to see in a theatre unless they are idiots. (Everyone wait for Ace’s list and remember- if you don’t see all movies Ace demands that you see in a theatre then you are a loser and a moron. It is not permitted that you wait until video you clueless jerks. Ace has decreed it so- and Ace is really smart). In other words Ace stick a cork in it. Someone saying they have decided to wait for video and will make a final conclusion about the film then (which may prove their current impression wrong) is an unassailable position. YOU FAIL. As is a smart script, a great story, clever editing and interesting characters. I could be completely wrong, but I'm not under the impression Avatar has any of those qualities, let alone several. Am I wrong and regardless of how it's viewed Avatar is a stunning film for many reasons?

  • Jan. 3, 2010, 11:25 p.m. CST

    BringingSexyBack

    by 900LBGorilla

    Although my pre-viewing impression of the film is the same as Hans’, I agree with you that since the film is almost universally called a visual experience he should conclude that much of the experience will likely lost on video….that combined with Cameron is enough for me to pay to see it….as always, I hope my initial impression is completely wrong…I’m still holding out hope for you and I to agree on something while heartedly.

  • Jan. 4, 2010, 12:18 a.m. CST

    900LB - NO DOUBT ON ZOOEY WE STAND UNITED

    by BringingSexyBack

    As for some of the qualities you are expecting from Avatar ... here's my humble opinion: <P> Smart script - I give it a C+. It's very cliched, almost cookie-cutter. However, it's how the script is executed that is the saving grace. <P> Great story - I freaking love the story. But that's me. <P> Clever editing - I think the scenes in the humans' base could've used more elaboration. I felt some of it was rushed, and from JC's interviews it seems like time (too much of 3D strains the eyes) might have been a consideration. If ever a movie warranted 3 hours plus, it's this, just like Titanic. The editing in the Pandora scenes though - almost flawless. <P> Interesting characters - Again, it all boils down to execution and performance, and quite frankly I think the cast did a stellar job in making me feel for their characters. Especially Zoe Saldana. She blew me away. People rightly criticize Worthington for much of his work elsewhere but here I think he did great too. <P> Again, I hope you enjoy it. You may not love it like I or others do but I'm excited for you, as a fellow movie fan, to enjoy the experience.

  • Jan. 4, 2010, 10:55 a.m. CST

    One undeniable fact about AVATAR

    by Sonny_Williams

    While I and my gang were happily blown away by AVATAR, one little thing still gnaws away in the back of my mind. JC had many years, while waiting for technology to catch up with his vision, to tweak and tune the story of AVATAR. I realize he wasn't spending all that time in his Scrooge McDuck money pit rolling around naked in his TITANIC bucks, but it does seem he could have used some of that time to kick up the dialogue a notch or two. I mean, has there been a Cameron film since PIRANHA 2 that didn't spawn at least a few memorable catch-phrases? And I say this fully intending to catch AVATAR again, either RealD or IMAX, and totally enjoying the experience again. I just really missed having an "Hasta la vista, baby" or "Get away from her, you bitch!" moment.

  • Jan. 4, 2010, 11:09 a.m. CST

    Massa doesn't mention The Hurt Locker in his top 10...

    by AsimovLives

    ... becaus ehow else could he had shoved Jar Jar Abrams's SHIT TREK in it and kissing up to the Jar Jar's ass? That's how you do it, you forget really good movies so you can push up and pump up shitty dumb stupid crap bullshit movies.

  • Jan. 4, 2010, 1:14 p.m. CST

    Demosthenes2

    by Series7

    Hunt down my name.

  • Jan. 4, 2010, 1:47 p.m. CST

    Food for thought...District 9 (major spoilers)

    by Cellar Door

    One directorial given reason for the aliens "lost" aspect which might explain why they didn't just attack humans with their advanced weaponry after they were "interred" was that they were an insect-like race, not unlike certain Earth insects, who had lost their queen and thus their reasons for living/surviving as they normally might. It's certainly not shown overtly but is a viable scenario; wipe out a queen bee and the entire hive is basically lost until they get another queen...if they can get no queen, the hive eventually dies or breaks up and/or moves on to other hives (any bee keepers please correct me if I'm wrong!). Another not given is imagine finding a 18th century slave ship out on the Atlantic without the captain and crew but just a galley full of slaves? Lost, leaderless, aimless, sick and diseased...just like the "Prawns". How long would it take for them to think of revolution? Probably long enough for them to get well and healthy (if possible given their "captors"), establish themselves to have the means to fight eventually, and then finally step up and actually fight against their oppressors. Superior weaponry on the side of the slave-masters didn't make any difference to the slave revolts in the past not to mention a "smart" alien species would know that humans would likely annihilate all of them with a tactical nuclear weapon if facing open rebellion. Might be another reason not to just shoot up humans with guns and walking battle suits when they can level the region or even the entire country you occupy on a permanent basis, yes?<p>As to their behavior...you seem to forget they've been here for 20 years by the time the story takes place. I bet if you take any sentient being and place them in 100% different surroundings, those same beings would adjust and evolve to those surroundings in order to survive. Hence, scrounging garbage and being belligerent, etc. Sure, it's a stretch for some of the more anthropomorphic behavior but look at the Japanese of the 60s/70s and look at them in the decades prior, the western influence is an utter given after their surrender after Hiroshima/Nagasaki along with the influx of American dollars to rebuild, they invariably and/or unwillingly were flushed with western culture which would evolve to behaviors after a couple decades..dramatically different from times prior to being indoctrinated to that "alien" culture). Granted, we're talking aliens and not simply differing human cultures, but the analogy isn't completely unsound (for me anyway).<p>As to pissing and vomiting, well, those are likely, if not possible, normal traits for most organic beings.<p>However, I will give you one thing...the likelihood of an alien species not dropping dead from an utterly toxic Earth environment (to their biology) and yes, the black "fuel" that converts Wikus at the genetic level are almost guaranteed to be super-HIGHLY improbable (but yet not impossible unless you think only in the "human" perspective) but I still had no trouble suspending my disbelief.<p>I say this not to defend D9 so much as trying to avoid all movies coming with a floating narrative that explains things that others wind up calling "plot holes". I'm not saying I'm right either...I love D9 and thus am biased towards it...but just like you can be biased in the opposite direction, let's not just ignore the myriad of possibilities regarding a genuine non-terrestrial alien species just because we didn't like it or question why we didn't when so many did.<p>me 2sense anyway...

  • Jan. 4, 2010, 8:04 p.m. CST

    Cellar Door, re: "Food for thought"

    by Immortal_Fish

    And, yes... major spoilers ensue...<P>"One directorial given reason for the aliens "lost"<p>That does make sense. I could forgive that.<P>"As to their behavior"<P>Begrudgingly, I could forgive that too. The aliens would become conditioned to their environment over time. And yet, your apology (you are apologizing for the film, you know) expects me to do two things simultaneously: 1) Presume that our interpretation of the passage of time is equal to that of the aliens and not less; meaning that 20-years our time isn't equal to 20-days their time. For conditioning to work, more time yields better results. As you wrote, food for thought. 2) That there would be no bed-wetting, tree-hugging, granola-chomping ideologues protesting en masse across the globe against the 'righteous' interference of the White Man's Oppression(tm) of the inferior. Sorry, but, yes, the allegory was *that* heavy handed (to me).<P>"As to pissing and vomiting"<P>Small potatoes. Yet it is amazing to me that despite how different we are to them (see your first apology) they still exhibit so many similar traits to us. Couldn't possibly be for identification or comic relief.<P>"the black "fuel" that converts Wikus"<P>Honestly -- and I truly mean this without snark -- honestly, this was the least offensive convenience of the movie. It established a heavy Twilight Zone vibe which I expected in advance of going into the movie.<P>"let's not just ignore the myriad of possibilities regarding a genuine non-terrestrial alien species"<P>Agreed! And yet, your apologies did nothing to explain away my biggest finding with the flick... The aliens knew they needed to go "up" and that "up" wasn't awfully far at all. Instead of scaveging relics for 20-years, why didn't they build a hot air balloon? And given the Sheehan's of the world, are we truly expected to believe that they wouldn't have had any domestic assistance at all over a 20-year period?<P>You do raise some decent points. Had the flick expected me to forgive one or two of them, I would be right there with you. But the simple problem is that the movie expects to get away with ALL these plot conveniences AND then some.<P>District 9 was my favorite movie of 2009. And then I had the audacity to watch it a second time...

  • Jan. 4, 2010, 9:07 p.m. CST

    Thanks BringingSexyBack

    by 900LBGorilla

    Sometimes great execution can make a simple story special. I’ll let you know what I think after I see it…I’m hoping to this weekend.

  • Jan. 5, 2010, 12:51 a.m. CST

    Ace of Dim 3

    by 900LBGorilla

    OK Ace so what you now say is that you see every movie you have interest in in the theater except when you are low on money…Now I don’t believe you, because you would therefore either have to have interest in pretty few movies, or spend an inordinate amount of time and money in the theater…But even if I take you at your comment, your subsequent assertion that because you supposedly do this everyone else must is idiotic…only a moron such as yourself would assume that since your (supposed) lifestyle fits movie watching on such an abnormal level that the rest of us must adhere to it else be “dumbfucks”. The level of stupidity and vanity in this assertion is mind boggling…but is mind bogglingly FUNNY- so thanks for the laugh. <p> Better YET you then go on to qualify that with some sophistry- based comment that your decision to not see a film in the theatre is “based on a lot of factors are based on lots of factors and not simply the trailer“ Then mock the use of hearsay as a method of deciding what to see in a theatre” Ap> … Now if you (Ace), have decided not to see a film in the theatre- which sometimes you don’t based on “ a lot of factors” all of which by definition must be either trailers partial information, or hearsay- you have just admitted that you are a dumbfuck (your words) for doing this. (Panting by numbers for you I’ll point out that you were just hoisted by your own petard with that moronic argument). <p> Also WHO CARES what *you think* caused Han to not want to view the movie in a theatre? Only he KNOWS exactly why he has chosen this…if you wanted to KNOW that instead of assuming that you can read his mind, you could simply have asked him instead of ranting like a 2 year old for half a week…. What you think about how he thinks is about as interesting and useful as wondering what a monkey thinks about me solving an algebra problem. <p> And note to you short-bus, I PLAN on seeing the movie in a theatre as I have said repeatedly- thus your constant whining about me corrupting poor Han into not paying your boyfriend to see this in a theatre makes about as much sense as the rest of your insipid ranting. I mean WOW- do you even realize how FUNNY you are?