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INCEPTION Trailer in HD Quicktime is pretty damn nifty!
Hey folks, Harry here having just returned from the first planning meeting for BNAT12, and no sooner do I return, than Apple posts up the English Language INCEPTION trailer from Christopher Nolan - and even though we all can understand the voice over work clearly... I wager none of us clearly understand what INCEPTION will be, and for me... that is a very welcome change of pace for trailers. Too often, trailers become the dumping ground for the whole kit and kaboodle. Not this trailer. This is a tease that gives you a notion - a taste - of what this could be. The beginning of a riddle that asks if you're interested in seeing more. Do you wish to see more? I do.
Think Click.
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all over this
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Kinda want to watch this. just a tad. you know, to be BLOWN AWAY!
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OK...INTERESTING
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The music is freaky
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that is a better title. I think I may wait in line for this movie. Like I did for episode 1, but this time I doubt my ass will be raped by Nolan. No. This time I think I will quite enjoy myself...
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And there's still a douchebag in front of me.
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This is my most anticipated movie of next year. I seriously think nolan can do no wrong right now.
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People are actually saying they're excited and not trash talking the movie before the actual release? Christ, I MUST SEE THIS TRAILER.
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That was pretty incredible.
I don't know what it was about, because let's be frank, it's still enigmatic as hell, but damn, that looks pretty fucking outstanding. -
films of the decade. Nolan can do little wrong.
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Leonardo DiCaprio, Ken Watanabe, Joseph Gordon-Levitt, Marion Cotillard, Ellen Page, Cilliam Murphy, Tom Hardy, Tom Berenger, Michael Caine, Lukas Haas...this is ridiculous.Nolan is not slumping at all after The Dark Knight...
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Looks amazing and weird... just like I like 'em.!
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Yeah I said it.
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because your gonna need them after seeing this trailer
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Dec 28, 2009 4:09:16 PM CST
I won't start the TDK has flaws issues in this Talkback. .
by darth_kaos
. . like I did in the French Trailer talkback.
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...you have to see it for yourself.
Looks interesting. On the surface it seems to be a bit Matrixy in terms of its story but while The Matrix was about simulated reality, Inception seems to be about actual dreams. Perhaps the film is about going into people's minds to steal memories, ideas etc. That's the vibe I got from it anyway. -
Or at least what it could have been. Looks good. I've liked all of Nolan's work thus far.
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A few ewww and awwww shots instead of a clue about what the story is doesn't hook me. I'm not dissing the movie, but it hasn't done anything to earn any praise yet either. Casting or director don't give me wood.
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doubt those rolling buildings/streets are in camera. Still looks good.
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I see you posted under this newer article, but I seen in another Tb where TheBlight I beleive posted this... how come ya didnt come back wit a answer to that? oh yea, cuz ya admitted ya a fraud a few weeks back...but just in case ya missed it, this is what I seen in that MrT TB...
http://www.aintitcool.com/talk back_display/33254#comment_161 1225 Hey, Guys... by TheRealMoriarty Jul 9th, 2007 12:24:48 PM JettL93 is a liar. Period. He's never e-mailed me any of his fabled information, and he doesn't respond when I e-mailed the address he used to register for talkback. When asked to prove anything, he's unable, and I've dealt with enough internet liars over the years to know certain tricks they pull as they troll. JettL93 reads rumors in other places. He adds his own made up information to the rumors, to give them just enough of a hint of the truth to be credible. But he's wrong about the big stuff. Anything you've only read from him, discount it. I have verified and reverified the INDY 4 stuff I know so far, and JettL93 doesn't check out. At all. I've been fairly gentle about this with him so far, but I'm not remotely confused about this, and considering how many of you are e-mailing me about the situation, I can tell that it's important to you. He's a liar. He has been trolling you. I understand that some of you enjoyed it, because it generated INDY 4 speculation that you were able to participate in. By all means, keep it up. Be encouraged by speculation and rumors and whatever. I don't think this article today is accurate, either, because it doesn't match what we know already. Quint addresses that a bit at the bottom... that we're at the point in development where we always see people start to go batshit with insane stories about films that just aren't true. There are a LOT of conflicting rumors floating around about INDY 4, and I'm sure that's just the way Lucasfilm and Paramount likes it. PS - I know this was up, then I deleted it, and now it's back up... I just made an important typo, so wanted to clarify it, so there's no confusion. -
...does it take you like 50 tries to log in? even after submittin the new password? I mean, the 1st time I stopped TBin on here was cuz I couldnt log in, and now its actin up again...is it just me?
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...movie looks good but I wished Leo wasnt in it...his voice, his face, his pug dog lookin head, everythin bout him is ruinin it for me...
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"Excuse me, but... do you know the way to Shutter Island? I've got this post card for it, but I just can't seem to remember how to get there."
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Maybe he'll become a giant cobra with daddy issues. Come on, you gotta remember the classic "Dreamscape" with Quaid and Kate Capshaw's breasts.
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Give him the kick!
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...I saw this in HD while attending Shitlock Holmes and while I thought it was interesting, it could use more information for the viewer. You get the feeling that DiCaprio is an operative that is sent into the mind of Page to try and extract what she may have. Yes, he's a CEO being blackmailed - I know, I know - but so far just from the teaser all I've got is that the world in the mind is malleable, that anyone can dive in, and tops are the new Nintendo DS. At this point I am intruiged and want to know more... but without the world going all Dark City I'd say that this looked like just another actioner.
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bring it!!!!
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I love Joseph too -- I liked him in 3rd Rock but after BRICK, MYSTERIOUS SKIN, THE LOOKOUT, etc I just cannot get enough of him. Great actor! But who's this Ladyboy you're referencing?
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Not a huge fan of DiCaprio, but a big budget mind-fuck from a director who has yet to make a bad film? I'm in.Hopefully Nolan finds the right balance between "Art" and mass appeal.
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That's what I'm hoping for.
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...I agree wit ya (even went to see gi joe (which is the worst movie i ever seen in a theater and paid for))...I even drove to another county just to see (500) days of summer... only thing is, afterwards me and at that time lady friend talked bout the movie and I noticed how we really didnt have anythin in common besides taste in music... I think AICN should put relationship spoilers up lettin you know you might have to have "the talk" or a "talk" immediately after watchin... but then again, how many of us actually have relationships?
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Still the images were great in this trailer. And it was nice to see everybody get some face time. Except for Michael Caine I suppose. I even spotted Hardy in there for a second. I'm loving the cast here, with the exception of DiCaprio. Who, while being solid, is just a bore.
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didn't really like that film much. I think alongside Insomnia, it's one of his weakest efforts.
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Well?
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...the Incredibles?
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...Saving Private Ryan?
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BZZOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMM
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...TRANS FUCKIN FORM FUCKED ERS 2...
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Dec 28, 2009 4:49:04 PM CST
MY BEDROOM IS THE SCENE OF THE CRIME!
by christian_bale_trashed_my_lights
BECAUSE NOLAN JUST POPPED OUT OF MY LAPTOP AND RAPED MY EYEBALLS THERE!!!!!!
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...but that's just me thinking out loud.
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Dec 28, 2009 4:52:54 PM CST
that post is from 2007, WTF somebody spent time to look that up?
by jettl93
Some of you seem to be obsesed with me, should i be worried and it doesn't prove i'm a liar, it just proves people are mad that i am in the know on major productions
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Both of those movies (especially Saving Private Ryan) have deeply imbedded flaws in structure, characterization and design. Doesn't make 'em bad movies (Incredibles was my favorite movie of '04), but they are both flawed.
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Dec 28, 2009 4:56:48 PM CST
The Two Best Directors Working Today Are:
by christian_bale_trashed_my_lights
Christopher NolanDanny Boyle(Source: Me)
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Why do people think he can act in adult roles? He sounds like a child.
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Yeah, I didn't like that one much, either. But I'd still watch that over most movies in the theaters lately :o\
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Dec 28, 2009 4:59:09 PM CST
The People Who Say "The Trailer Doesn't Tell Me Enough"...
by christian_bale_trashed_my_lights
..are the very reason i now have to avoid a lot of trailers. I don't want to know the whole fucking movie because of the trailer! I like being surprised.
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as the main villain. Fits much better into the 'duality' and 'masks' themes that Nolan has been working with throughout the first two pictures moreso than Riddler/Penguin/Catwoman.
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Sorry, he is good for Memento and Prestige but not for new age sci-fi
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for a quick puff. Hope this trailer rocks my socks off. They need a good rocking.. Yeah, Sav Pvt Ryan was messy, but it was also one of Speilberg's better messes.
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All the haters should accept this simple truth...
...Spielberg is DONE. Finished.
Sure he may make some more money over the next 5 years but no one really cares all that much about what the guy has been putting out.
The only director worth his/her salt from the "old guard" who can still knock your socks off at the theater is Martin Scorsese (Shutter Island sounds like its going to be AMAZING)
Nolan is the NEW blood. Prestige was a Masterpiece. But Dark Knight showed he knew how to work on a huge scale. Epic. And the way he got filmgoers excited about Imax again is cause for celebration.
I think Inception in Imax will wind up being similar to buzz in the late 60's for Kubrick's 2001 only on a much larger scale. Nolan seems to have channeled the anime Paprika into a live action feast for the eyes. And the marketing for the film is Kubrick worthy but will pack in the seats because of the cast and over the top visuals.
I think people are underestimating the marketing campaign for this film. By its release next year everyone will want to know what this movie is about and the word of mouth will send the box office to the moon. Its only competition at this point is Tron Legacy which I also believe will kick ass.
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Has to be one of the crazier comments I have read online
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The suspense is keeling me. Prestige was awesome. F the haters.
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Damn you! For doing such! Wow, people these days really are crazy
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All of you? I'm thinking
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As I said over in another talkback, his dedication to a bit is laudable and nigh unmatched.
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It will make you disgusted at the barbarism we can inflict on each other.
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...Mort, I have no idea what youre talkin bout? whats wrong wit their structures, characterization, and design? answer that in a non-film geek way please, cuz if ya dont, ya prob will lose me...and JettL, thanks for your reply but if you are in the know, your life must suck...to spend hours a day on this site filled wit geeks and losers instead of hangin out in Hollwood, bangin some cokewhore of a actress or suckin off some closeted actor...but nope, youre here wit us, normal folk...and normal folk are not in the know
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Nolan is Spielberg post Duel and Sugarland. FACT. Not up for debate. Inception will be Nolan's Jaws.
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Cannot be argued
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Stop embarassing yourself with your nonsense talk.
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Michael Bay hates this trailer because it reveals intrigue, suspense and a plot that will challenge audiences to think. Michael Bay did enjoy the "BWANG!" noises though, so he says he will check it out.
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You will just become upset.
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So he is not a director who shot his load nearly three decades ago?Good.
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Name me one that doesn't. One of the 'greatest' movies of all time, The Godfather, has flaws. One of them is that it's fucking boring for around half the running time.
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Speilberg is not what he used to be. None of the former greats are. Lucas and Cameron used to write original, thought provoking masterpieces, now they write children's stories. Speilberg turned Indiana Jones into a theme park ride. Ridley Scott has made good movies, but not edgy like he used to. Nolan, Jackson, Blokamp = New Class
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If you didn't see the trailer for T2, you'd think Arnie was the bad guy all the way until right before the Semi chase. If you didn't see the trailer for Aliens, you wouldn't know the Queen hitched a ride. Etc. Etc.
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Look Spielberg started out directing Columbo and shit so let's not over do it. Also remember that some of Spielberg's best films (i.e. Close Encounters) are not transferring all that well to blu ray. And no matter how much those films may have blown our minds as kids the next generation won't see them the same way. Sure Jaws, Duel and Sugarland will continue to be classics. But the Indiana Jones series clearly took a hit with Crystal Skull. And A.I. and War Of The Worlds proved that Spielberg is not untouchable when it comes to sci fi. Spielberg will continue to be successful but Nolan is the director that people are going to start saying, "Nolan directed it? Better go see it then." There is no one else out there other than Scorsese like that at this point. And thats why I say Nolan is like Spielberg for today. People will start going to see his films just because he directed it. There are plenty of strong directors working today. But few of them pack people in the seats the way I believe Nolan will over time.
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That movie is a fucking delight.
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all i saw was a bunch of noise and cgi.
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...seriously, nolan overrated. dark knight was ok, not a mind blower. same with BB. the prestige was mediocre at best. momento did cook my noodle a tiny bit so i'll give him some props there. but the rest, so-so. i just don't see what all the hooplah is over him. and this looks average as well.
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That looks fucking incredible. This will own 2010.
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Always imagine new places. If only the rest of Hollywood could understand these words. They wouldn't remake everything.
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That Dicaprio is going into the girls mind to retrieve information. It immediately reduces the cool factor of what you're seeing if it's all just shit conjured in a mind being explored. It's been done a 1000 times, I hope Nolan does something different with the idea.
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...one thing I noticed is that a lot of us geeks like to praise shit from yesteryear... I understand nolstagia and all that crap, but seriously, we gotta stop tryin to compare old films to new films... ya know why a lot of old shit is better? because it came out first... would Citizen Kane been a great movie if someone else had written a similiar story years prior? doubt it... and I guarantee you, if Spielberg or Scorsece or whoever else was workin today in their younger days, they wont be nearly as great... ...now Nolan, is a good twenty or thirty years behind in film, but he is truly makin some masterpieces...Memento was a mindfuck and original (even tho it is essentially that ep of Seinfeld) and Batman films were great even on a non-superhero genre level...Prestige was cool also...basically Im sayin, I give NEW art more credit than the old because they have to really go above and beyond in story, action, characters, etc... and my thoughts applies to music too...
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Who gives a shit? I see the fucking string that moves the lion's tail in Wizard of Oz, and that movie still fucking rules.
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Yeah, I definitely got a Matrix vibe. Worst case scenario this ends up being like The Cell + Paycheck. Great music too.
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But I still have absolutely no idea what this movie is about. I love the title so much: Inception. And its about the mind, and the power of ideas, and maybe a world where ideas can become reality through sheer force of will? Through their mere "inception", of just dreaming them up? Not positive. But its enigmatic, and mysterious, and utterly wonderful in these spoilerific times we live in. I want to know more before it comes out...but not much more. I don't want a straightforward trailer that tells me everything, thats for sure.
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Honestly, his last undeniably tight movie was Catch Me If You Can. There had been some serious stumbling blocks before that (Hook, Jurassic Park sequel, Amistad) and some SERIOUS stinkers after (Crystal Skull comes to mind.) I don't see anything in development that gives me hope, either. I also agree, Nolan and Boyle are the two most interesting directors out there. I DO NOT agree with Jackson... besides LOTR, I'm not loving his catalogue either.
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If you find The Godfather boring for half its running time, there is no hope for you.
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http://www.aintitcool.com/t alk back_display/33254#comment_161 1225 Hey, Guys... by TheRealMoriarty Jul 9th, 2007 12:24:48 PM JettL93 is a liar. Period. He's never e-mailed me any of his fabled information, and he doesn't respond when I e-mailed the address he used to register for talkback. When asked to prove anything, he's unable, and I've dealt with enough internet liars over the years to know certain tricks they pull as they troll. JettL93 reads rumors in other places. He adds his own made up information to the rumors, to give them just enough of a hint of the truth to be credible. But he's wrong about the big stuff. Anything you've only read from him, discount it. I have verified and reverified the INDY 4 stuff I know so far, and JettL93 doesn't check out. At all. I've been fairly gentle about this with him so far, but I'm not remotely confused about this, and considering how many of you are e-mailing me about the situation, I can tell that it's important to you. He's a liar. He has been trolling you.
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does anyone else feel like, despite being a great actor, DiCaprio ALWAYS looks like an 8-year-old when he wears mens' business-wear? Not his fault, he just always looks less than imposing.
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This is like debating whether Abe Lincoln was a better president than FDR- these directors have different backgrounds, they emerged in different eras, it's fucking idiotic to rattle on about this question. They are both great directors- better than Mike Bay and Jay Roach. There.
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Remember Dreamscape with Dennis Quaid where he had to save the President?
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I found very little about either film the slightest bit worthwhile or engaging. Dark City is a bunch of cliche iconography wrapped up in a mindfuck solipsism story, and Close Encounters is just fucking boring. A man builds a mudpile in his kitchen; scientists play Mary Had a Little Lamb to a spaceship; THE END. I love spielberg but what the fuck, why does everyone love this movie? (Honest to god I am not trolling)
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Really pity you....
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Toxoplasma gondii
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...I have nolstagia-blindess for this question...whats wrong wit Hook? and Catch Me was terrible...only thing I liked was that (at the time) America's sweetheart was playin a hoe fo sho...the last good movie Spiely made was War of the Worlds (the version I like to remember is, the entire planet got blown up when his son went runnin off into the battle and Tim Robbins shotgunned his way into the movie)...
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especially that bit with the building. we can sort of piece together what this film may or may not be about. its a futuristic crime thriller about software theft. right now major corporations like coca cola have access to a brain scanning device that can detect the part of the brain that controls addiction. nike also such a machine. so this film seems to be about the concept of implantable ideas. the brain creates ideas. but what if in the future a brain implanted microchip could do all that.........
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...I think ya should have a spot on the site where we could list our fav/least fav movies... this way, I can see who has good/bad/moronic taste... I mean, I need to find some TF2 fans and some LOTR haters... I rather watch robots in heaven than a fuckin eyeball in the sky lookin down at me for 5 hours...
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Whoa, now that is fucked up. Imagine parents selling parts of their kids' for corporate sponsorships.
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...to conserve water...or maybe its to waste water...I dunno, but theres more water in that trailer than that one movie that made Leo King of the World...
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...isnt that what Octosmut and Kate Grossin doin?
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Please, YackBacker...you are not really comparing FDR to Lincoln, are you? FDR was a shit pres. Lincoln all the way, baby.
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Hook's major flaw to me was the kids. I didn't buy any of them... they were so of-the-moment skater kids, so obviously from our time. If they were there long enough to remember Pan, and he was now a man, wouldn't they have been more 50's or 60's throwback? Which would have been SO much cooler. Bad decision, IMO. Also, casting. Despised Julia Roberts as Tink, and was over Bob Hoskins before this came out... those are the problems that spring to mind right away. I was also a total un-fan of War of the Worlds. I did NOT like Tom Cruise in the role, and thought he had ZERO chemistry with Fanning. I didn't buy them as father and daughter for a second. I say this, btw, having really liked Minority Report. Catch Me If You Can surprised me. I TOTALLY bought the Tom Hanks/DiCaprio dynamic, and bought them in the roles. Shocked the shit out of me, because after Castaway, I have been OVER Tom Hanks' "serious side."
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in Look Who's Talking.
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Dec 28, 2009 5:48:06 PM CST
The People Who Say "The Trailer Doesn't Tell Me Enough"... Conti
by zoefan
Is exactly why Americans are the dumbest movie watching crowd in the world. Everything has to be spoon fed to them to understand it. P.S. I'm probably one of the most America-loving conservatives that posts on this site. However, Americans (in general) are so stupid when it comes to movies and television. Nothing can be ambiguous. Everything needs a complete ending with a nice ribbon on it. Otherwise Americans (in general) don't get it. The perfect example of this is posted on Hitfix. It's about the Sopranos. The last episode. A majority of Americans didn't like the last episode because it didn't have a clear ending tied with a red bow. I on the other hand felt the finale of The Sopranos was one of the 5 Best episodes in the history of that show.
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Very true. I meant to say kids' minds, but very true nonetheless.
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Just wanted to add another symphonic punctuation to the end of that trailer. FWOOOM.
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...on your Hooks argument, those make sense...but then again, if those kids were from the 50s or 60s, then that fat, bowlin ball of a kid would have truly been a Lost Boy...get it? cuz they prob hang him after Tinkerbell lied sayin he raped her and left his body near the gator/croc...
...on WotW, I believed their relationship cuz he was a fucked up dad...and Minority Report was good also...cant think of any complaints cept for the typical too many endings (if that applies to that movie)
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...I'm English. And no, the trailer doesn't say enough to the viewer other than the geography of the landscape is malleable. For those of us that know Dark City this isn't a new spin, especially when you take one further step into the dream realm shtick and apply shades of Dreamscape to this trailer. I do not want anything "spoon fed." I want to know more - and all that I have seen are things that I have seen before.
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consider it inceptions interpretation of Jacking in to get info in the matrix. So you would say to you buddy "Give me the kick" and that would send you into the world of the film, know as Incepnation
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I think that's the way Hollywood treats them, so they've come to expect it. I DON'T think that's how people actually like things to be.
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I saw this trailer in front of Holmes, nice that it doesn't give much away, I'll give it that, but like the teaser, they need to take off a couple of the BOOOOOMS at the end there, it goes on like Family Guy joke or something. And man, what is up with that Cop Out trailer? Man, I love me some Bruce Willis, but whoa, that thing looked like it belonged in Tropic Thunder World.
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I'm NOT comparing those two presidents, that was the point. But I dig your style.
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JettL...its like you dont even try anymore... thats like me sayin "the building that folds down on the other building is very important to the scene"...
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http://tinyurl.com/yd76slu
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Give us a taste without revealing hardly any plot.
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Why don't you go have the jizz pumped out of your stomach, you fucking wanker?
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That's what this trailer does. This is why a trailer used to be known as a teaser. It's not supposed to give you the entire plot-line. It's meant to intrigue your interest and that's it.
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just sayin!
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I have to agree with the sentiments that DiCaprio is wrong for these roles. He's a decent enough actor, but is usually miscast.
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This movie is leveraging its selling points- Chris Nolan, DiCaprio, CGI, tension, suspense, etc. without acting like a lonely, single teenager two days before the prom. This approach is, in a word, professional.
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But I do buy him as a greedy businessman in over his head with some mind-bending shit.
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The Prestige is a wonderfully acted, beautifully shot period piece dealing with illusionists and the skill involved in engineering those illusions, that is undermined by the fact that the whole story is based on a "magic trick" that isn't a trick or illusion but actual "magic" - they try to give it some scientific cred by having it invented by Tesla, and I can kinda accept faxing hats, but people?... it just broke my suspension of disbelief, and other peoples too it would seem. As an insight into obsession the film is great, is just too bad the explanation for the film's prestige wasn't as good as the bird crushing cage.
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FUCKING TREMENDOUS, BITCHES.
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Easily the film I'm most excited about next year.
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the governemt has created a injection that makes you temporaraly super intelligent and agile, the only side effect is that it has psychonutronic effects on the brain, meaning anyone who takes it can almost visually break down the law of physics and bend light and space with a thought (think of it as a real world matrix for druggies)The chemical injection is highly addictive and it was designed for trained soldiers but it falls into the hands of private businessmen and an all out war starts between 3 factions. Leo plays a private detective hired by the one faction to not only steal the formula but to inject himself in an attempt to gain control over of space time and alter history, but the plot soon takes a turn when we learn just how deep the conpiracy behind the formula goes.
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he can make a movie that is entertaining and thoughtful, and appeals to all audiences.
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...that sounds stupid...write up another draft...
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...because the trailer shows people in suits walking up walls n shit. How about waiting to watch the actual film before slagging it off?
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For people who don't have giant widescreen computers!
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Dec 28, 2009 7:06:31 PM CST
Leo will have a role in Batman 3, but it won't be as the riddler
by jettl93
He will play a young rookie cop by the name of Jason Bard who is forced to desk duty after a knee injury but soon becomes an ally of Batman and gordon
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Can't wait to hear about Batman 3.
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Bomb.
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My well placed Hollywood sources say that Leo will be busy filming Critters 5 while Batman 3 is filming. Ha!
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Look, Nolan is a talented director. Memento and Prestige were both very good films. You want to compare them to Jurassic Park? Schindler's List? Gladiator? Blade Runner? Alien? Nolan will NEVER achieve a A.I., Jurassic Park, Blade Runner or Gladiator. A great is a great. Forget track record. The films that Spielber and Scott have made, may really never be equalled. That is why they are greats.
Do you know what all this is? People in this decade want the next big thing. They want create their own legend, instead of allowing it to happen organically. TDK, TDK, TDK, Nolan, Nolan....just getting shoved down my face. Let me choose, damn it!
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the moment I saw manhattan curl up upon itself, (that image has been reproduced millions of times by physicists across the world; if anyone watches PBS they should know) it has to do with wormholes and bending space-time to bring 2 points in space together. But still, what is the premise of this movie? A crime caper meets Steven Hawking?
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Dec 28, 2009 7:28:49 PM CST
PRETTY DAMN NIFTY DOESN'T BEGIN TO DESCRIBE THIS TRAILER
by bringingsexyback
But it's a start!
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Game over.
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Is this Nolan's Formula?? Take an established genre. In the Prestige it was historically set/mystery then 1/2 through the movie, PRESTO!! it's a Sci-Fi movie!!! In Inception, it's a modern crime mystery, then 1/2 through the movie, PRESTO!! it's a Sci-Fi movie!!!
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You lost me there, bud. GLADIATOR is an entertaining movie, rousing in parts, but it is not one of the greats. TDK sits on GLADIATOR's face and defecates liberally all over it. Nolan is still emerging- he's 4 films in. SPielberg just did CLOSE ENCOUNTERS at this point in his career and followed it up with 1941, so... patience before categorizing Nolan, who is offering something very interesting here with INCEPTION.
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Crazy ass bastards.
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what next? Nolan comparable to Coppolla?
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And a reality check, it might do you some good.
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normal people. I'll be back later, please bring better arguments than "HAHAHAHAHAHAHA"
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[Re-asking (and expanding) this from the much quieter talkback about the INCEPTION poster...] I don't hate Christopher Nolan or anything, but can anyone explain his massive reputation? I found THE DARK KNIGHT kind of meandering, without a satisfying climax. (SPOILERS!)(Like you haven't seen it...) The Joker, who was always Batman's physical inferior, gets beat up and captured; and Two-face talks and talks and talks, then dies. Then there was that cell-phone thing... I don't remember any breathtaking shots from the whole movie. The Joker's dialogue was often great, but I can't recall anyone else's, including Batman's. Again, I don't think Nolan's a hack; but why the adulation? Seriously? He's totally competent, but people act like he's the equal of vintage Spielberg or Lucas or Scott. What scene from THE DARK KNIGHT -- or worse, THE PRESTIGE or BATMAN BEGINS -- compares to any of the scores of great scenes from the movies of those other directors? Does THE DARK KNIGHT really rate alongside STAR WARS or RAIDERS or EMPIRE or JAWS or BLADE RUNNER? If so, why? I'm not being a jerk, I really don't get it. Can anyone help me?
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How does one say TDK is better than Gladiator? Let's not even use the fact that Gladiator was critically applauded with all the top awards in 2000. Gladiator had a powerful performance by the lead, and another equally powerful and in my opinion a better supporting performance by Joaquin Phoenix. Not to mention Djimon Hounsou and Oliver Reid's solid contributions. Arguably one of the best directed films of this genre, the coliseum scenes is cinema history.
TDK. Bale oh Bale, where were you? No lead. Heath we know was very strong, but on the same level as Joaquin in Gladiator but I'll put Joaquin over him. Supporting cast not as strong as Gladiator. The direction of the fight scenes has to be the worst I have seen in my life. Can't see for shit. The film was too long, boring in bits and just dragged. Too many character, too much happening, not well organized. All because people make big speeches does not equate to a good film. TDK had no story, no progression and is a boring and dull film.
But still, people will want to argue that it is a better film than Gladiator...a film widely contested to be the greatest Roman era film.
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Dec 28, 2009 7:49:48 PM CST
Toadkiller, one more hypthetical casting choice like that
by scarywaitress
and you'll need to turn in your geek card. Tom Cruise, anywhere near a Batman movie = incorrect. You, my friend, are pushing your luck. You either need to drink less... or more.
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Dec 28, 2009 7:52:18 PM CST
Havehope, I agree with your Galdiator vs. TDK smackdown
by scarywaitress
...except for Joaquin over Heath. Heath ROCKED that role. Come ON, the scene where he can't get the detonator to work, and just starts wailing on the button? BRILLIANT, nice little decision... and one of hundreds that made that character feel truly possessed. Joaquin was brilliant as well, but it was a kind of crazy we've seen before.
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They're having their ass handed to them by Cameron this week.
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Dec 28, 2009 7:55:12 PM CST
saber, I'd LOVE to hear what fucking difference that makes
by scarywaitress
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Joaquin was not crazy or mad, that's the point. His role was very defined. He was like the bastard son, the arrogant idiot. I just really hated him and really understood why i hated him.
With Heath, he had some truly great scenes then other not so good ones. He talked toooooooooo much. I always skip the monologues, because it's just so pretentious and obvious. His best scenes are the little things others dont notice rather than the "i want an Oscar" scenes. So it was up and down, whereas Joaquin was just a guy I wanted to strangle throughout.
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along the lines of Dark City and The Matrix.
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People ridiculed Heath Ledger as the joker. lambatsed the choice. Cruise may have too much baggage to really work, but consider that manic style and smile of his as The Riddler. Just mind boggling what he might do with that. I am not saying it would be good! But it damn sure would be mind boggling! Don't make me sober! You wouldn't like me Sober!
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It gest too popular and too awesome, and possibly to legitimately awesome, and all the TBers will start to inevitably hate it and Nolan as much as anyone else. It's the circle of internet life. I, for one, am no flipflopper. The Dark Knight was one of the best films of all time. This looks epic.
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...opening your post with the words "Let's not even use the fact that Gladiator was critically applauded with all the top awards of 2000," is not a good way to start a debate where you show a film's superiority objectively. By saying "let's even forget that this and that happened" is a good way to indicate that you obviously haven't forgotten, and that you are actually COUNTING on it to win your debate. If you REALLY want to forget it, and only want to show Gladiator as the better film on its own merits, then don't bring it up. Now, onto my response to this debate: I didn't like Gladiator from the moment I watched it, just another version of Braveheart or The Patriot, and let's not forget the GROSS historical inaccuracies--Marcus Aurelius was NOT killed by his son Commodus, and Commodus was NOT killed in a gladitorial event by someone named Maximus, and and the character of Maximus NEVER EVEN EXISTED. All of these inaccuracies are tantamount to having a movie about Abe Lincoln and having him commit suicide by hanging himself in the Oval Office--that his NOT HOW ANY OF IT HAPPENED. And, as for the story itself, well, as I said, it's really all merely regurgitated from other films. Special effects? Check! Worthy actors? Check! Worthy director? Check! Cheesy dialouge ("I will have my revenge, in this life or the next")? Check! But TDK had these same ingredients, and at least it was MEANT as a fantasy. There, that's my rebuttal...phew...we're all just floating.
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Well framed and accurate counter point to HH's opening statement . I liked Gladiator more than TDK, but neither was a truly great flick in my opinion. But it is all subjective.
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can i buy my ticket now, please?
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Um, WTF does that even mean?
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Dec 28, 2009 8:27:10 PM CST
JAMES CAMERON REMAKING 'WATER POWER' WITH DICAPRIO!!! HOLY SHIT!
by tehcreepythinman
James Cameron has announced that he will be fulfilling his lifelong dream of remaking the classic 1977 exploitation porno starring Jamie Gillis as a disturbed man who lives in New York and finds sexual fulfillment by attacking women and giving them enemas. Cameron as been quoted as saying that Water Power (aka The Enema Bandit) was the movie that truly inspired him to become a filmmaker. In this “re-imagining” Leonardo DiCaprio will be taking over from Gillis, who has been retained as technical consultant, and recently spent 6 months living in NY while immersing himself in the role to such an extent that he partook in over 3000 break-in’s and sexual assault’s involving enemas. “The depth of performance is incredible.” says co-star Zoe Saldana who plays Shirley, an inner city schoolteacher of ghetto children, and the first woman that DiCaprio gives an enema to. This will be the second time that Saldana has worked with Cameron after his record breaking epic Avatar which grossed over 1 trillion at the box office, won every Oscar, a Nobel Prize and brought the dead back to life. We asked Zoe how it was working with Cameron after Avatar, “Oh, James is a perfectionist. People are claiming that the budget was 800 million which is laughable. Does Cameron look like a homo? 800 mill is what a pussy like Michael Bay spends on his backyard epics. THIS IS JAMES FUCKING CAMERON and the budget for this baby is 1.7 billion. It employs visual FX that will be more photorealistic than REAL LIFE while the next wave 3D camera’s he’s shooting on will make the audience will feel as though they can actually smell the sh!t coming out of my ass and THEY WILL as James will do with Water Power and SMELL-O-RAMA what 3D did for Avatar. This won’t just be a movie, it will be such a mindblowing experience that reality will feel small and insignificant in comparison to Water Power and we may see mass suicides as audience members might not be able to readjust to this superficial box of a world that they will be forced back into after the movie finishes. Of course, if everyone kills themselves that might cause a drop in the grosses so our wish, ney, OUR DEMAND, is that you continuously see the movie over and over and give up life in the shallow world that you have fashioned for yourselves and welcome the sweet taste of eternity wrapped in Cameron’s embrace. Oh and if you don’t go to see the movie YOU WILL DIE AND GO TO HELL!!!” Her co-star DiCaprio added that “the movie is fit for the whole family and first dates” before getting back to the set to anally ASSault a pair of conjoined lesbian Nazi’s twins. Our reporter wasn’t able to bring us any word from Cameron himself as he was shot in the face by the King of the World™ when he didn’t crawl on his hands and knee’s to meet Cameron nor did he lick James’ hand in submission which is how Cameron demands every single human being regard him when they want his esteemed audience. In fact, James Cameron is actually standing right behind me, as I write this, with a pair of jumper cables attached to a car battery that he says he will connect to my genitals because of my insolence at not spending every penny I had to see Avatar repeatedly, nor was I willing to sell any organs to add to the movies’ grosses. I’m sorry Mr. Cameron, my lord and master, forgive me for I know not what I do. “Sorry ain’t good enough, now give me your balls” ZZZZZZAAAAAAAAPPPPPPPPPP!!!
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Well, I did not want to count on that critics argument, but fine, I won't mention it.
I am talking on pure fundamentals here. Now, a movie is a damn movie. Ain't no way Charlton Heston looks ANYTHING like how Moses would have looked back then. But I appreciate it as a movie and applaud the filmmaking prowess. I can't give minus points for inaccuracies.
I'm sorry if you're a proud British man, but Braveheart is a great movie. Yes, Gladiator may not be accurate historically but as far as filmmaking and acting goes, it is easily one of the best in its genre. I can't fathom how you would compare it to TDK.
TDK presents itself as this oh so serious flick but in fact it descends into comic-book movie territory. One-liners and those blue eyes that Batman had at the end. Burton's Batman did more to give comic books respect than TDK or Batman Begins. When the dust settles and TDK is no more the "in thing", then we'll see how it stands. It's twenty years and counting and people still call out Keaton as Batman. Let's see what guys say about TDK in twenty years time.
But i suggest you go back and you watch TDK again, but this time, watch it as a film. Remove your fanboy preconceptions and view it purely as a film. If you do, the flaws start to flow down like a leaking bucket. It is the fanboy psychology that masks the fundamental filmmaking flaws that the movie has. Protagonist, story structure, progression of story, presentation of theme and so on.
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The city folding up was sheer awesomeness. Looking forward to summer of '10.
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A. handing anyone's ass to them, other than possibly with ticket sales and B. HOW THAT MAKES ANY FUCKING DIFFERENCE IN THIS DISCUSSION. Your so-called "point" is mind-numbingly stupid. Not everything is a competition, and Cameron doesn't win everything by default... unless you're one of his many ass-lickers, of course...
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Chill out bitch.
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...because I think you made a bullshit pointless comment and I happen to be female. That's the best you can come up with? You aren't worth my time.
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...He pretty much played him in TROPIC THUNDER, when you think about it...
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Dec 28, 2009 8:51:18 PM CST
I'M NOT READY TO CROWN NOLAN "GREATEST DIRECTOR LIVING OR DEAD"
by bringingsexyback
just yet. Certainly he delivers entertaining and thought-provoking films that I and many enjoy. And he does his part to elevate the quality of movie-making that sets the bar ever higher for other directors to aspire to. That's surely a good thing for us as a paying audience. That being said, if he casts Zooey as Catwoman I will suckle his balls and call him boss every minute of every day.
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You called me a Cameron ass licker. Hey fucker, Cameron's made better movies than Nolan.
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Let's be civil about this whole thing. Saber just made a point and there is no point in saying that it's a stupid point, get the point?
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The guy made Memento, Prestige; those are his best movies and they dont hold a candle to T2. You can't even mention them in the same stratosphere.
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And it was a stupid fucking point.
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If we are talking about the big name directors, and how they are superior to Nolan, it only makes sense to mention James Cameron.
Since guys have been insulting Avatar, especially on here. It speaks volumes that it has received such rave reviews and there are people going out in their droves to go and watch it. Forget numbers, that's Michael Bay's game. Fact is, Avatar is one of the brighter spots in one of the worst and darkest decades creatively in history.
His point is that the success of Avatar is shoving it in the faces of the haters/fanboys.
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Dec 28, 2009 9:05:31 PM CST
CountryBoy: What's so great about Nolan?
by christian_bale_trashed_my_lights
Directors who can be true to themselves while placating studio bosses are the ivory-billed woodpeckers of the business: Theoretically they’re out there somewhere, but sightings are few and far between. You can count them on one hand - Scorsese and Kubrick etc. Nolan takes his place amongst them.Christopher Nolan has proved his versatility as a director in a very short amount of time. He has very quickly built his credibility, and his work displays an intelligence that many of his contemporaries seem incapable of.He's a visual stylist who enjoys working on a large canvas. His movies suggest a man who is constantly looking to push himself artistically; constantly seeking to challenge himself (whether it's telling a movie backwards, one-uping himself by returning to a franchise and improving upon it, or moving into the field of special effects) and that creates excitement for fans of his work.Finally (well, there's more but i'm going to stop here), he's an auteur - with the exception of "Insomnia", he's had full control over each and every one of his movies and has a distinctive style (he's known for avoiding establishing shots for example), and in a world filled with hack directors chasing money rather than artistic fulfilment, isn't that exciting enough?
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...the whole pissing match concerning directors.
I couldn't care less. Not every filmmaker has the same ideas or approaches. This game of bitching about Lucas in favor of the Wachowskis, or Spielberg in favor of Nolan is bullshit.
If you are a decent movie geek, you will understand that every director has their own style, for better or worse, and you will have a range of director you do and do not like.
Me? I learned about the film school generation when I was just a teenager. I saw all the different kinds of movies they had to their names. I learned to appreciated directors for what they were, not what they were not. I didn't go to Lucas's movies expecting Scorsese or Tarantino wittiness, and I didn't go to Tarantino or Scorsese movies expecting Lucas visuals.
And Spielberg? Spielberg is a guy who's second language is visual, but only by a small degree. You watch Close Encounters, and you'll find a movie where just about every scene segues perfectly into the next, each shot brilliantly setting up the next. It may be boring to some, and I'll grant people their right to their opinion, but it's no POS, to be sure.
Oh, one last note about the blu-ray of that movie. We're spoiled in this day and age by both film and hi-def video source footage that is crisp even when taking shots in the dark. CE3K was shot 32 years ago, in a naturalistic style, which means they didn't light the living fuck out of everything in the quest to expose it pristinely. Put simply, the grain you see on that disk is a feature of the original film, not a bug in the transfer. Which is to make another point: film grain is a perfectly natural part of film, and it's not always a good thing to remove it, any more than it is to add color in movies that didn't have them. CE3K was meant to have a gritty look, not be utterly clean and pristine. So, before people start mouthing off about things, they ought to do a little research. -
Prestige is unwatchable compared to T2. Bigger audience, too.
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"Fact is, Avatar is one of the brighter spots in one of the worst and darkest decades creatively in history."
i'm sorry, what? we're talking about this decade past? the decade that elevated the superhero film to legitimate cinematic entertainment, gave us No Country, Inglorious Basterds, Momento, fucked-up french horror, Amelie, Park-Chan Wook, Paul Thomas Anderson(the good one), Danny Boyle, Christopher Nolan, and Neil Blompkamp off the top of my fucking head, and Avatar is a "bright spot"? it's a technical marvel, sure, and it's finally legitimized performance capture as a functional storytelling tool, but the story's laughably retarded, and that's coming from somebody who enjoyed it. -
Exciting and fun to watch. Can you say that about Basterds?
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laid it straight for all the fools all day long.
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Learn about subjectivity, moron.
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jackass.
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I'm getting that kind of feeling from this film. If it's nothing like that then please, Nolan, make that your next movie. You are the only one I trust to do the film right because the other interpertations have been lacking.
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Dec 28, 2009 9:27:58 PM CST
lol the troll who is as thick as shit tells me off
by isleptwithkathybatesandallthatigotwasthi
moron
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BASTERDS is a movie you tell your latte-sucking friends you like, so you can feel like a "cinephile" (whatever the fuck that's supposed to mean...I love movies, I hated IB...am I not therefore a "cinephile"?).
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No Country was a good movie, nothing more nothing less. It ain't no classic.
I'll give you Memento.
"fucked-up french horror"- .......
Amelie - ........
Park-Chan Wook - something different, but we don't know the other great works in Asian cinema back in the 90's and further back. Hollywood has fallen so low that people are offering Asian movies to be Best Picture contenders.
Paul Thomas Anderson - Magnolia was pretentious, There Will Be Blood is the most over-rated movie of all time.
Danny Boyle - Best film is still Trainspotting.
Nolan - A guy who makes good movies. Ain't no Scott or Spielberg.
Neil Blompkamp - District 9 had a good plot, good first half but descneded into nonsense in the second half. Robotic suit thingy?
And this leaves us Avatar. How is the story "retarded". Granted, it's a simple tried and tested story. How does it suck. Bayformers story SUCKS. How does a story of a guy meeting a different group of people and becoming one with them and changing, how is that crap? And it's told well and directed well. How is it crap?
Please, don't get on the "let's hate Avatar" bandwagon. Be mature and objective and critique a movie properly. Avatar is at worst, just an alright forgettable film, AT WORST. And yes, it is a bright spark because Cameron has given us something new VISUALLY, an interesting world and has made going to the cinema the wonderful escapist experience that it's supposed to be.
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'Cause Quicktime sucks. They never work, it takes me 20 tries to download their "latest" version, it usually works for about 3 weeks, then I can never run their trailers again without downloading their "latest" version... AGAIN! Once should be enough!
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A very good movie, and another reason why Tarantino is very important to cinema. But I can very much see why guys could legitimately hate and dislike the film.
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...that Gladiator is better than the Dark Knight is a raving imbecile. Gladiator is one of the most overrated movies ever made, directed by one of the most overrated directors in film history.
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honestly, yeah i can. i loved Basterds, and next to Jackie Brown i think it's Tarantino's best. granted, that the entire film was an homage to Sergio Leone, whose films i love dearly(OUATITW is by far my favorite western) i was damn near creaming my pants during the opening scene. there wasn't a weak performance in the cast, the plot moved at the perfect pace, and at the end i simply wanted more. i didn't want the movie to end. add to that some clever commentary on audience reaction to violence against "acceptable targets," and you've got an incredibly entertaining peice of pulp WWII exploitation.
Avatar just didn't hook me in any way outside the visuals. i was blown the fuck away, don't get me wrong. the attention to detail, from Sam Worthington's withered legs to the differences between natural Na'vi and the Avatars were amazing, and actually seeing Zoe Saldana ACTING through CG was spectacular. but seriously, unobtanium? Sam Worthington's slipping accent in the latter monologues? the "deeper message" that's about as subtle as a brick to the forehead?
the story was a slapdash of shit Cameron's done better in his previous movies dressed up in revolutionary effects work and capped off by one of the most amazing action sequences i've ever seen. and following up Blompkamp telling damn near the same story minus the love interest and several million(and doing it better) really hurt it for me as well. but as for my initial post, i wasn't so much knocking Avatar as wondering how hope could make the argument that it was some shining beacon of brilliance in a decade full of shit, when from where i've been sitting it's been a pretty goddamn awesome decade for film. also, The Proposition came out this decade, as did Dog Soldiers, and American Psycho. -
I have to admit, I am baffled by the love/hate arguements over Avatar. I thought Avatar was entertaining film. Was it mind blowing? NO. Was it J.C.'s greatest film? NO. Was it over hyped? Oh God Yes! I'm sorry but this film is not as great as you're trying to force it to be. Mark my word, people will have forgotten about Avatar by mid January.
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the movie i think it most closely compares to is Planet of the Apes(and i say this as someone who still owns a VCR so he can watch his widescreen boxed set of the franchise until i get around to buying the DVDs). spectacular effects work waiting for somebody to come along and use it in a better story. Avatar will not age well, and i do believe we'll see somebody come along and use the tech it pioneered to do what Star Wars did for the makeup advances from PotA.
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"fucked-up french horror"- ....... Amelie - ........ Park-Chan Wook - something different, but we don't know the other great works in Asian cinema back in the 90's and further back.
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Speed Racer had great visuals too. And for the record, I really liked Speed Racer. I loved Avatar. I thought the story in avatar was derivative and very simple, but it was told very well. The pacing in Avatar was truly outstanding. That is where Cameron truly shines. His films may be long, but I was never bored. But as much as I enjoyed it, avatar will not be changing any game for the casual viewer any time soon. The technology may make the movie making geeks jizz, but the casual viewer will just see a very entertaining flick.
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I still watch it every now and then. It's a great film about obsession and the lengths one would go to for it. The Transported Man trick in the movie was freaky, also because Tesla was such a genius, much more so than Edison, but given less credit because he was European. But if you read about the stuff he invented, especially the rumored stuff, it's conceivable he could have actually built a "copy" machine. Why it gets hated on I'll never know....
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The ending where Eli Roth is shooting Hitler in the face and killing everyone in the theater was SHIT!!! That and the woman laughing while it's burning down. Oh then she kills that one Nazi guy that wants to fuck her by shooting him in the back, then he shoots her playing possum and they both die, fucking pointless. But it was also pointless casting Mike Myers to brief a British mole who has like a 30 minute scene where they try to convince a Nazi that they're Nazis and they all kill each other. More pointless, talky, self-indulgent bullshit exhibition as only Tarantino can deliver. The best thing about the movie were Pitt and that dude who played the Nazi commander. Other than that, the movie was shit and I don't understand why people like it. It's historically inaccurate as fuck. Was that the point?
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I felt sad watching the trailer.
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The ending was just too much of an out of left field jolt. It certainly was horrific, but up until that point the movie had stayed within the realm of the believable. That ending just felt wrong because although it was in keeping with the scientific (sort of) motif of Jackman's character, it strayed way too far into the 'you gotta be kidding me' realm. It betrayed what came before it - almost as if Nolan could not think of anything else to be the 'topper' so he went way off the board.
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Avatar was overrated when the net hounds decided it was shit based on a 2 min trailer.
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Avatar will still be in first run theaters by Jan you asshole, since Jan first is Thursday. Damn, what idiots.
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And felt happy watching the movie. And that movie had ground breaking visuals. But I do understand folks who do not like it. I will simply say one word: Tron. Tron was a bomb when it came out. Not loved by many (I loved it) now see where it is.
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Speed Racer was a bomb when it came out too. Shit, it was expected to beat fucking Iron Man.
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Just give it some time
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SUCK IT HATERS
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and your point is? I don't understand the hatred towards me. I said I was entertained by Avatar, I just don't think it is as grounf breaking as people are trying to force it to be. You can curse me all you want, but I would rather you convince me as to why I should declare this the best film of the decade. All it boils fown to is it is a visually stunning film with a predictable plot that has been done many times before.
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Dec 28, 2009 10:25:13 PM CST
GLadiator might just ne the most overrated film of this decade..
by odo19
I mean I liked the movie fine and all but fuck me do some of you guys have an inflated idea of it. It won Best Picture?? Yeah...so did Crash and Million Dollar baby...what's your point? I've only seen the movie once all the way through and have had no need to revisit it. TDK I've seen at least 5 times since it came out in theatres and if anything like it more than I did when I saw it the first time. Oh and TDK not only completely skullfucks Gladiator but every movie Scott has made since Legend.
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"Oh and TDK not only completely skullfucks Gladiator but every movie Scott has made"
is this TDK fan gonna have to choke a bi...
"since Legend."
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Dec 28, 2009 10:35:10 PM CST
I preferred the teaser trailer.This didn't interest me as much a
by moonlightdrive
I'm sure they will show a lot more before the movie is released.
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Dec 28, 2009 10:36:19 PM CST
TDK, Memento, Prestige, Blade Runner, Raiders, Gladiator, Alien
by colonelfatheart
... Jaws, etc. I LIKE 'EM ALL, FUCKERS! It's not impossible to like more than one blockbuster director.
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Not great, but found it smart and very relevant. And then there was Vera Farmiga's ass - sublime and indelible! Sherlock Holmes was fun. Avatar was fun. A lot of fun, good movies out right now. Nothing great, but I've certainly been very entertained in the past week. Just wish Crazy Heart was screening somewhere closer. I really want to see that one.
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My point is that Avatar will be in theaters probably to Feb. It's been sold out for days now. Don't think the movie is a bomb because you didn't like it.
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No doubt most of us have seen the CG yoda in episode 1 on numerous clips. Funny thing is that muppet yoda looks worse in episode I than V and VI
anyway no DVD ever released with CG
yoda in episode I
no SW blu Ray. Weird
Means Lucas planning something big is my guess but
when? Before new Tv show
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This movie looks to be a complete and utter mind fuck. Can't wait to see it.
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http://tinyurl.com/ycng48z
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dude you completely missed my point. You clearly really love this film and I respect that. I never said Avatar was a bomb. In fact I don't think you can give a reasonable arguement on Avatar. You have made it clear that (in youtr opinion) Avatar is the second coming and anyone who says anything otherwise is a blasphimer. So peace be with you and go on enjoying Avatar for decades to come.
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This looks great, and I'm definitely picking up a Myst vibe. Only instead of writing new worlds the aware can imagine them, perhaps? Hmm, perhaps Myst + Mage: The Awakening + Nolans? Sounds good to me!
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What are you doing bringing up a Star Wars thread here? That only opens a can of talkback worms. Alas, I'm bored as fuck, and you've hooked me. No doubt, Lucas has yet to put his final brushstroke on the whole saga. I hope he doesn't do too many more alterations, unless it involves retracting some of what he's done (I believe there is a happy medium yet to be met). I guess there will be 3D versions of the movies soon. As anxious as I am to see SW on blu-ray, I'd rather he wait until he has applied the final brushstroke and then release that version of the saga in a definitive collection that includes anamorphic widescreen transfers of the original theatrical releases and deleted scenes from A New Hope. For god's sake, I love the man, but enough is enough already. I believe in an artist being true to themself, but it wouldn't kill the guy to finally toss his fans a bone and put an end to all this madness.
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Dec 28, 2009 11:04:14 PM CST
EVEN THE ELDERLY IN THE THEATER WERE JIZZING OVER THIS TRAILER
by bringingsexyback
You can imagine the general discomfort we all felt afterwards.
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Nolan has been on a roll and the cast is pretty damn strong. I'm game.
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..put on the cowl, and JGL as Robin..?..Brilliant! Prestige is gay. A big pile of hats. who cares.
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I wonder if he's got any sex tapes of Bar and Giselle. They'd be worth billions.
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Yes, Cameron has made better movies than Nolan. But Nolan has made better movies than Cameron.Riddle me that one, asshole.
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The world can fold and twist all it wants, BIG LOB is running straight!
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I didn’t want to get into this again but for the sake of posterity here…we…..go. I maintain that Avatar is filled with nothing but clichés, predictable in the extreme and ultimately boring except for the fantastic FX and action scene’s but then what can you expect from a movie that cost 300 million from a Director who isn’t known for the depth of his screenplays and well known for his lack of subtlety? Now, was Speed Racer any less cliché ridden and predictable? Hell Fucking No. The difference is in each movie’s handling of the characters and the dialogue. Despite the artificiality of Speed Racer’s candy colored world, the Wachowski’s actually made me feel for the plight of the main protagonist and the struggle’s of his family. The actors also were able to take their archetypes and invest enough emotional weight into their performances, no doubt helped by their direction and the script, that made me care about these people even within the presence of a slapstick chimp. It’s still clichéd and predictable but, like Star Wars, the earnestness of the actor’s made me believe in the movie. Furthermore, the Wachowski’s made sure to engineer some twists and turns in the story which also kept the movie from becoming boring. In comparison, I felt Avatar was lifeless and dull, despite the state of the art CGI, with characters played by actors who were given bad dialogue by a Director who has all the tact of a sledgehammer to the skull. IMHO the only difference between Cameron and someone like, say, Michael Bay is that Cameron’s intentions do feel heartfelt and he is a superior Director of action sequences free of the obnoxious MTV style that has plagued cinema for far too long. The only factors that make Avatar a better movie then Transformers 2 is that Cameron actually had a script that wasn’t scribbled in crayon by two hacks. But was his script really that much better? Yeah, it doesn’t have MASSIVE inconsistencies, plotholes galore, worthless characters, racists robots and a hard on for the military but his characters were just as one note, his dialogue was just as fucking awful and there wasn’t a single moment in the entire thing where I said to myself “OMFG, I wonder what happens next?”. Avatar is missing EVERYTHING that made last years The Dark Knight the success that it was. Nolan’s film was well written and imbued with strong themes, ideas and characterizations, where everything felt like it was meant to represent something on a deeper level. The performances were fantastic and the story kept you guessing where it was going to go next but, most importantly, Nolan didn’t let the action get in the way of crafting a story that had a resonance that I just didn’t feel with Avatar. Cameron has been quoted as saying that he was making Avatar for a broad audience but I think he’s made a mistake by creating a movie soo broad that it will eventually disappear from public consciousness within a few years because, although his movie might deal with universal theme’s, his understanding and use of them is shallow and superficial while his emphasis has always been on the technological innovations that his movie represents.
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I think any of Nolan's movies are better than Cameron Diaz's. I hope I put that apostrophe in the right place.
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...great book, great author...good thinking.Read and learn talkbackers.
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Fix Yoda in all 6 films to be best you can do.
fix light saber coloring in all movies
re-do light saber fighting in episode IV and fix Palpatine's inconsistent fighting in III.
Fix the Guido shooting first crap.
put in some deleted scenes-- why not put inthe scene in IV with Luke's friends if you can make it look good and the scene in V with c3po removing sign on door and the subsequent joke with the creatures.
add the sand storm
make all space battles as good as VI and I
fix the space flights in IV-- the Millenium falcon is boring and doesn't move much so fix the scene where it doesn't "maneuver" much.
There's a lot to do to make it even better.
Simply delete any stupid Jar Jar scenes-- the tongue numbing scene and mute him down so he isn't a fool-- you can still make the movies good without him being a goof ball all the time-- there is simply no reason for that and no one finds it funny basically.
change Jar jar's language so a grenade isn't a
"boom boom" or shit like that.
dont make battle droids 3 stooges
remove the line about "i've been dying ever singel you came back into my life"-- arggghhh
kill the scene where he asks if "she's suffering as much as I am" or crap like that.
it's cringe worthy.
fix the lightsaber battle in III to explainthe table kicking andstuff-- looks awkward and staged.
fix millenium in IV so it always looks fluid
do an effect of Kenobi diappearing in IV that shows him really becoming one with the force.
fix voice of vader in the re-re-re tweak of empire to when he wants his SD alerted to his arriveal it sounds like VAder and not someone trying to be vader.
fix "he told me you killed him" so he doesn't sound like he has a case of strep throat quite so bad.
Longer sequence at end of VI showing senat being rebuilt or in actual use again, signs of Palpatine's rule ending, more people happy, evidence of a new Jedi temple perhaps "years later"
images of the Republic being a democracy and the 10,000 or so SD being manned by "rebels" or so.
just for starters.
Oh and then to top it off, the FINAL scene is a remote Nebula at the outer outer outer rim with about 5000 SD's being lead by Thrawn or some nasty as all hell Imperial who just doesn't wanna give up despite the emperor and vader being dead and a "coming soon...."
andhim looking at a clone production machine iwth a young palpatine "soon, my master, your destiny will be finally revealed"
Episode VII " Republic Renewed"
Episode VIII "Dark force Rising"
Episode IX " The Sith Wars - part I "
Episode X " the Sits Wars part II"
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Ha, that's news to me...
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are ALL GREAT FILMMAKERS!!!!! end of transmission
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The only place on the net where people praise Speed Racer and diss Avatar.
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You and i have disagreed in the past., But you pretty much nailed it on that last post. I try not to insult the hard core Avatar fans (after all it is a Cameron film and they have a good point in defending the man) but it was completely overhyped. I love Cameron's films as much as the next guy, but I am not willing to give him a free pass just because he made us wait so long.
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Can you give me a instance where Avatar was overhyped? People were saying it was going to bomb back in the summer. How is that overhyping?
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Oh the stories it would tell ...
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...HEAVEN. Watch that trailer again...and give Larry of Arabia the respect he deserves.
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it was good/very good but I do not believe it was what most would consider "incredible" or "5 star masterpiece" except in terms of visuals. The story was nothing new, Jake's acting was good but not great-- he is kinda wooden and didn't stand out and frankly it should have spent maybe 10 - 15 min or so showng more involvement he had with the Navi and why he become so close to them.
I found Abyss more riveting.
and yes I found it an amazing idea having a planet be a huge neural net with an actual conscienciousness linking living things on the planet.
It just wasn't a 5 star masterpiece.
so just because it's visually 5 star and technologically changes things, etc.. doesn't mean that the fundamental aspect of the movie is that also. He deserves a technical oscar for the effects and the camera work.
And I do think that there needs to be new Oscar for Gollum type characters which Andy Sirkis needs to win a recognition award, etc.
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Dec 28, 2009 11:31:52 PM CST
Mr. Nice Gay Ass, I WOULDN'T EXPECT YOU TO UNDERSTAND......
by tehcreepythinman
Try watching Star Wars then follow it with Return of the Jedi and you’ll see how fresh and alive the characters were in the first movie because they were giving it their all because Lucas was barely keeping it together and they had to pick up the slack because as Harrison Ford said “George, you can type this shit, but you sure can't say it.” The Empire Strikes Back is an even better example as Irvin Kershner let the actors sink into their performances which is why the acting in that movie is soo fucking good. It also led to the film going over budget which is one of the reasons why Lucas fired Gary Kurtz which, in turn, resulted in Return of the Jedi becoming the weakest of the original trilogy.
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Dec 28, 2009 11:32:19 PM CST
I SWEAR, LEO'S PENIS MUST HAVE BEEN TOUCHED BY ANGELS
by bringingsexyback
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this movie is certainly good enough not to bomb and very good enough to earn buckets of money, which it is doing right now, and deservedly so.
Cameron pours his heart into every movie he makes and it shows.
It's just simply not an utter masterpiece.
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Take thi stalkback for example. This is a talkback dedicated to the nes Inception trailer, yet we are all talking about Avatar. Now go look at any other talkback from the last 12 months. I guarantee it somehow turned into an Avatar discussion. If you think that Avatar has not been the film on everyones minds for the last year, then you are blind as a bat. Once again I must say, i did not hate Avatar, I just don't think it is as great as people want it to be.
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That's because Avatar is PLAYING. This fucking movie Inception doen't even come out until Feb, and the previews don't fucking tell you anything.
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But STAR WARS? No. It's still wooden despite your token Harrison Ford quote defense.Thanks for the extra information regarding Kurtz though. I appreciate the minutia.
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very interesting info and analysis. Kinda like BTTF-- first great, new and fresh, two and three fair and bad in that order.
gary kurtz was great.
who could helm SW well now? Abrams? eh.
Singer? Coppola (no). spielberg NO , lucas-- doubt it
Oh !!! How about Ronald Moore + Kevin Smith as dual directors and writers + you hire a team of writers-- whomever wrote BSG and whomever wrote the last few seasons of DS9.
Then you hire about 50 SW geeks to help you fine tune it a little along the way.
then you go back an watch every SW movie over and over and see what worked and what was idiotic and you NEVER DO ANYTHING IDIOTIC.
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Or maybe it's another Gary Kurtz I'm thinking of?
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Don't forget...Leo dated Laetitia Casta, too.
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your comments are all over the place. look man, Avatar was an entertaining film and I by no means am trying to take that away from you. I just am not as exicted about it as much as you are. If it makes you feel any better, I will most likely purchase it on blu ray when it comes out and realize that I did not give it the credit it was do. Fair enough?
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and unite the world in worship.
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...I DON'T BELIEVE YOU! I SAVED EVERY VICTORIA'S SECRET LETITIA EPISODE...SHE'S MINE!!!!!!FUCK YOU YOU'RE A FUCKING LIAR IT'S NOT TRUE...
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But it's true. Search and ye shall find.* Sorry for the misfired post above. *
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Forget Mike. Leo is the REAL Situation.
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http://tinyurl.com/yht34jy Dude, chill. Trust me, no VS model is servicing your silly mortal, suburban-ass self anytime soon. Please google Frank Frazetta... and use google images when you do. You will feel better.
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Abrams could handle Star Wars, he effectively made a clone of it and called it Star Trek.Also, what the fuck is wrong with most of the people here? The site puts up a trailer for a movie that looks pretty damn sweet, imo, and 90% of these posts are just bitching: About Nolan, Gladiator, Scott, Cameron, The Dark Knight. I didn't know movies and directors could make life so hard on the average internet user....
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Abrams could handle Star Wars, he effectively made a clone of it and called it Star Trek.Also, what the fuck is wrong with most of the people here? The site puts up a trailer for a movie that looks pretty damn sweet, imo, and 90% of these posts are just bitching: About Nolan, Gladiator, Scott, Cameron, The Dark Knight. I didn't know movies and directors could make life so hard on the average internet user....
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Leo's dick could write a book called "Oh The Pieces You'll Fuck" and it will be read by children worldwide. This will be the very book M. Night Shyamalan makes reference to in his much-maligned feature LADY IN THE WATER. He called it "The Cookbook" in the movie, but that was an early draft of what Leo's dick would later write. JettL93 knows this to be true. The Freemasons know this as well. Look it up on Google, it's all fucking true.
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Dec 28, 2009 11:49:38 PM CST
JAMES CAMERON MADE THE TERMINATOR, ALIENS AND TERMINATOR 2......
by tehcreepythinman
And for those I will be forever grateful. But I will not let my love for those movie blind me to just how uninspired Avatar’s story and its characters were. I find it disturbing how easily people can delude themselves in the name of hero worship. It’s like if I say Avatar is sit then the fanboys jump on you because they think that you’re trashing his entire career. I’m not. The three previously mentioned movies are masterpieces of their kind. That doesn’t mean that Avatar is in the same league just because they were made by the same man. A good example is, again, the Wachowski’s. After The Matrix they could do no wrong in my eyes. Then the sequels completely shit all over my love for the first movie. I didn’t think they could ever get back into my good books and Speed Racer sure as fucking shit didn’t look like the movie to do it but, fuck me, I LOVED that movie and all is now forgiven. The point is that I take each Director one film at a time and although they might make some incredible movies they are also capable of making some fucking horrid trash.
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Two posts? Pretty sure I hit the button once....
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pudgy with fake facial hair. eeewwwwww.
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Everything he said in this TB is 100% my opinion as well- bro, you're reading my mind!
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...IT CAN'T BE TRUSTED. I'M GOING TO BED. I'M GOING TO BED...AND WHEN I WAKE UP...YOU ALL WILL HAVE FIGURED OUT THE TRUTH...EVERYTHING WILL BE BACK THE WAY IT WAS...
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Dec 28, 2009 11:52:59 PM CST
FINALLY CAMERON'S IMAX 3D TECH WILL DO LEO'S DICK JUSTICE
by bringingsexyback
You think Avatar's box office is impressive? You ain't seen nothing yet.
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I think Leo is a fine actor. He would have been better in Public Enemies than Bale.
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MNG has balls. I like balls!
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...Leo hasn't violated Christina Hendricks...right?...maybe everything's going to be OK...
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Ha! Well played, sir.
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If you were to google the following, you could find something worthy of a xxx-mas gift: Kinzie Kenner & Penny Flame spankwire
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Fucking insanity in this TB. I am constantly baffled by some people.
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Good call on the Paprika similarity. I'm interested so far, but concerned about the previous trailer that made this look exactly like a Matrix rip-off.
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Just basking in the glory of my fantasy football superbowl win and getting ready to call it a night.Yeah, there are some interesting things going on in this TB. That's normal for AICN, I suppose. I wish I knew more about INCEPTION though. Then again, maybe it's best I don't.
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And Leo needs to cut back
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Well, that's asking quite a lot. I don't think Lucas will take it that far, but who really knows? First and foremost, give me the original theatrical releases fully restored in anamorphic widescreen. That’s the least he could do for his fans, and I can forgive quite a bit after that is done. As far as the prequels and special editions are concerned...refine all the digital effects and characters to look realistic, seamless, and consistent across the board. Refine the CG version of Yoda in the prequels, but don't replace the puppet in V and VI. Han shoots first and only! Dump Jabba scene from IV. Replace all the original songs and music in VI. Have Sebastian Shaw (and his indelible smile) appear as ghost Anakin at the end of VI. I’m pretty cool with everything else, but may be forgetting some special edition stuff I didn’t like (been awhile since I watched ‘em). Short of re-casting and re-shooting the prequels, not much else can be done to improve them. Then again, it’s only select scenes in the first hour of II that truly bother me. I can deal with the rest as it is.
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I want to know nothing about this movie. I went "dark" for TDK and I'll do the same here.
Congratulations on winning your fantasy football league- I hope it was a money league. And if so, I hope the money pays for lots of cheap ladies and good booze. -
Thank you for your splendid gift, and sorry for my tardiness but I shall have your present by tomorrow. I have certain ... information ... on another computer and can't retrieve it at the moment ...
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Jackman's character, Angier could have thought a second and used his copy to perform The Prestige instead of drowning them over and over again plus hey, a clone to share work with. Angier then probably would have a better sense of revenge rather than trying to kill Borden in jail by having him hanged. The revelation that Borden was a twin would have then been revealed to him had he really thought it through....
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As much as I enjoy reading about movies before their release, I've found that it has begun to sort of cloud my initial impressions (not to mention the spoilers). Going "dark" is definitely the way to go - one of the reasons why I'm not participating too much in the big Talkbacks.Our league is definitely a money league and I'll be taking in a nice pot of ca$h. It's highly probable that I will put a good amount of it towards some high-quality booze. As for the ladies...ain't nothing cheap around here!Hope all is well on your end. Cheers!
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He's been nominated sooo many times.
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I think all musical numbers from VI in Jaba's palace should be restored to original although I do think the soft ending of VI in the new version was actually beautifully done. I don't think people even understood who Shaw was in the original ending. having Anakin there is OK only if it's Anakin under the mask in VI during the reveal.
Yoda should be consistent
I think what I wrote is mostly doable with care and time, then test it, perfect it and release it and then promise never ever ever ever ever to touch it again and move on to episdes VII-IX or something.
Overall, it' all great story, it's just the execution and dialogue was mediocre often.
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BSB- I hope you enjoy it, brother. I spent A LOT of time picking out your gift, and boy am I pooped.
MNG- Book a flight to Thailand, the rest is kind of self-explanatory.
Happy New Year to you both, and to any other professionals reading this message. To bed I go. Sleep well! -
When all these trolls stop breathing.
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I didn't think of it, but it's very apt.As for the rest of this shit, it's plain silliness. There is no way to objectively, empirically rank movies, so why bother arguing about it? You aren't going to change someone's mind.Jurassic Park, Blade Runner, Terminator 2, Memento, Jaws, Dark Knight, Alien, Aliens, District 9, .... they're ALL excellent fucking movies! So why are you people cunting at one another about their exact rankings when it's impossible to establish? Who cares!If you need to bitch, bitch about shitty movies.I will say, though, that AVATAR is worthless aside from its special effects, and DARK KNIGHT has very little going for it without Heath Ledger (I find it awfully boring rewatching the parts he isn't in and after the opening bank robbery there really aren't any good action scenes).WALL-E, Children of Men, and District 9 are right up there with all those other movies but I don't see anyone mentioning them. Stop worshipping your auteurs and start recognizing individual movies for what they are, good, bad, and in between -- rabid fanboyism leaves no room for honest appraisal or appreciation.
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I stand by my statement that "AVATAR is worthless without its special effects." It's still an 8/10 overall because the effects are JUST THAT FUCKING AWESOME, but yes, narratively it's retarded. That's not talking shit, that's honesty. I could point to Zoe Saldana's acting as awesome, but she's basically the lone bright spot in a film otherwise populated by caricatures and cliches (noble savage, heartless corporate boss, violent/bigoted marine general, etc.) BUT IT'S STILL 8/10 OVERALL.And Dark Knight left me absolutely breathless when I saw it on opening day on an IMAX screen, I raved to all my friends that it was a 10/10 movie. The problem is on subsequent viewings it just doesn't capture me so well: once you know Gordon's not really dead, once you know the two boats full of people aren't gonna blow each other up, the Joker is really the only thing still "amazing" about the movie. The rest of it's mostly good, but why aren't there more/better action sequences? Why doesn't the Joker's conversion of Two-Face make any fucking plausible sense? And what's up with the hopelessly unnecessary "super seizure-inducing smokey-3D visualization of radio frequencies" at the end when there could have been a five-second line about "triangulation" and that would be that!? Still a good movie, but it has some serious fucking issues.And that's why it's stupid to try and rank these movies. (Though I will say I cannot for the life of me come up with a serious flaw in Jurassic Park or Children of Men.)
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I'm posting this from the site scriptshadow.blogspot.com--very cool site where an anonymous person in the industry writes reviews of unproduced or in-production screenplays.
In March, he reviewed INCEPTION. Massive STORY SPOILERS follow, so if your intent is to go in cold. STOP READING. Otherwise, this should put an end to all of the questions being asked about the plot.
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"Genre: Sci-fi
Synopsis: A man finds a way into the inner-workings of the universe using his mind.
About: This is the hottest, most top-secret, most desired script in town. Christopher Nolan's next film.
Writer: Christopher Nolan
You know when you go fishing and you're hoping to catch something, anything, so that you don't go home empty-handed? You start off looking for bass, without getting so much as a nibble. Then it gets a little later in the day and you downgrade to salmon. Then, as you see the sun setting on the horizon, you're just hoping for something with gills on it. And just as you're packing up and cursing the world, you feel a tug, and then another tug, and then you realize this is not just any fish. You just caught a goddamn whale. That's how I feel today.
One of the great things about this website is meeting more and more people who are higher and higher up on the Hollywood food chain. The things I've been sent - some only hours after they hit the street - I've been astounded by. And I want you to know that I don't take any of it for granted. I thank you guys every day! But I was not prepared for the call I received and for the script that I was sent at exactly 2:39pm on Tuesday afternoon. The most top-secret heavily guarded script in town. Christopher Nolan's "Inception". I know you guys are dying to get to it, so let's not waste any more time.
When I first heard that Inception was a "sci-fi actioneer set within the confines of the mind" I got real nervous. There are many directions this idea can go and most of them suck. "The Cell" was the last movie to tackle this subject, and while it had some of the coolest looking set designs and costumes I've ever seen, it was a really stupid film. Inception, thankfully, is not The Cell. Despite its incredibly ambitious nature, it succeeds on nearly every level.
The movie revolves around a man named JACOB HASTLEY, 34, a scientist and recent paraplegic who's considering suicide. But when he makes an unexpected breakthrough in his life's work, he finds a potential connection between the mind and the universe that could change everything we know about ourselves. Upwards of five pages are dedicated to explaining Hastley's work, but I'll summarize it as best I can: Since the universe is infinite and the mind's capacity to think is infinite, there must be a way to move between one and the other.
He continues this research and eventually finds a doorway between them. This doorway allows him to travel anywhere in the universe through a specifically designed thought algorithm. In essence, it's a way to travel anywhere without actually traveling. These first traveling scenes to other solar systems and galaxies are some of the highlights of the script. Nolan takes us to worlds that defy everything we know about physics, matter, space and time. It's hard to describe but he writes it as if we are inside of his mind, thinking it, just like he is. It's a risky choice as a writer and like nothing I've ever seen on the page but it totally pays off.
Unfortunately it isn't all cake and ice cream. Jacob learns quickly that he's not the first one to have found this doorway, and that other "travelers" have been alerted to his entrance. This sounds a little bit like that awful movie "Jumper", but these people aren't Samuel Jackson in a silver wig. They're people with an intellectual capacity "150 times larger than the average human". Which is one of the cool things Nolan plays with. You know that old saying that we only use 5% of our brains, or whatever it is? The "inception" teaches us how to use the rest.
What I like about Inception is that there's no bullshit copout Kubrick nonsense here. This isn't 2001 where even though the movie makes no fucking sense everybody wants to say that they understand it. Inception has a purpose. Jacob must find the truth behind the origin of the universe (its "inception") before the other travelers catch up to him.
The real power in Inception lies inside its mysterious and complicated cast of characters though. LISA, a certified genius, is Jacob's estranged wife who left him after he was paralyzed. She coincidentally shows up the day after his first journey. KANSAS is a dog-whisperer who seems to have an otherworldly connection with the animals she teaches. TARK is only 37 years old yet wiser than any man you've ever met. How does he know so much? And then there's ISABELL, a blind woman who will stop at nothing to see again.
I rarely find anything that lives up to the hype. Michael Jordan and maybe freshman year of college were it for me. But Inception defies everything I ever thought I knew about movies. It is a riveting journey both emotionally and viscerally. It is truly astonishing. I pray Nolan doesn't deviate one iota from the script. I can't wait.
script link: Inception (get it while you can cause it probably won't last)
Edit: Sorry! Forced to take it down.
[ ] trash
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[x] genius
What I learned from Inception: How that in order to come up with true genius, you must sometimes ignore every single rule you know about screenwriting and just go with your heart. At its core, screenwriting is still an art. It is still the sum of your experiences expressed through your interpretation of the world. No equation or rule should impede upon that." -
Love The Prestige, love Dark Knight, but this looks rather uninspired. I always hoped Nolan would stay the fuck away from cheesy CGI. Ah well.
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It's like TRON!!!
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This thread makes about as much sense as a two dollar penny.
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If the movie is about JACOB HASTLEY, how come the usual detailed cast list on IMDB has Leo playing COBB, JGL as ARTHUR, Ken W as SAITO, etc etc without any JACOBS or HASTLEYs anywhere??? I call bullshit on your bullshit, bullshitter.
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Director of this decade, only ridley scott comes close. Dark Knight, Memento, Prestige, Batman Begins and Insomnia.
Nolan needs to slip up before we should even start doubting him.
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I actually don't place much value on nostalgia, and I didn't mind that Lucas decided to rework films that many hold as sacred (I found the whole premise to be a fascinating turn in filmmaking, personally), yet I still want some things in those films to stay just the way they are, if for nothing more than to retain a sense of charm, or simply to stand as hallmarks in filmmaking. But like I said, if the original theatrical cuts can be released in the proper format, I can forgive most anything he chooses to do in the reworkings.Actually, I agree with you now, at least in principle - if he's going to rework them at all, he needs to go balls out on it and bring the entire saga into cohesiveness, at least visually. I know his mind is working along those lines, indeed, he’s taking steps with each new release (whether theatrical or home media) of the films; it’s all a matter of time and technology. What the final brushstroke ends up being, we'll simply have to wait and see. The idea of movies after VI never had any appeal for me, but I enjoy the Old Republic expansions in video game format, and look forward to the TV series. I don't think he'll ever produce more movies, but then he did choose the serial format to allow for all kinds of possibilities. Again, we'll see. Glad you brought up the thread. Love talking about this stuff. Cheers!
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Vintage Nolan... At least Cameron knows how to use colours ffs!
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to use one color....blue.
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Getting tierd of reading how the newest harry potter movie is the best movie of the year etc when i personally turn that shit off at the first sign of a dude in a chair suite or something ridiculous that i might have enjoyed at age 10.
I dont care if you took your nephew/son to it and spent half the movie wattching him watching the movie transfixed by his big open round eyes and his cute boyish grin that so reminds you of a less complicated time. The franschise is still shit.
Also Pixar blows. If you've seen one Pizar film you've seen them all. Come back when you got some hair on your cock. YES I SAID HAIR ON THE COCK.
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And it also looks as if Nolan is finally filming some good looking action. But I am oddly not too excited about this. Call me jaded, but it was a little too "Dark City" for me. And the odd sound effects were overused. But I'll see it. Glad they aren't giving the whole thing away in the trailer.
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Another Nolan film and Iron Man movie. Hopefully that means that this upcomming summer films will be as good as 08's.
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nothing else matters........apologies Motoko
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if you are going to compare lincoln to another president it better be teddy roosevelt... FACT! sure they held the country together during wars but that is so easy. lincoln all the way too, man.
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You gotta love Windows 7.
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Go back and check out Scriptshadow re: that script review. It was an April Fool's Day joke. Carson has not read INCEPTION but he tricked a lot of people into thinking he did. Myself included.
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Who claimed that? It isn't. What it definitely is not is SHIT. Definitely not. You can't not say it was not a good movie. Yes, it's tried and tested but it's presented in a different way. Blue people, the whole avatar program, disabled marine, 3d technology, world of pandora. Some aspects we have seen before, but the way it was put together is something i have never seen before...so give cred where it is due.
How many alien invasion things have we seen? The only new thing Cloverfield did was make it in handycam. The story was very basic, and i did not give a shit about most of those characters but i LOVED that movie, and give it credit for presenting a tried and tested story in a different way.
Again, AVATAR IS NOT A MASTERPIECE. It does not hold a candle to T2....but it's better than The Abyss (its first half)
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It was the best movie of 2008. You ought to be ashamed you geeks. Nolan's only movie that I don't love or like is insomnia. The rest of his shit is tits. My top 3: Nolan, Proyas and Fincher. And I hope Fincher quits doing gayass movies.
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Fucking blows. Seriously is that Juno thing even a girl? We all know Jakes brother has a penis. Neo's Girlfriend and Million Dollar Baby both probably have bigger dicks then me and I've got a pretty decently average sized penis. That just leaves ScarJo and Holms? Well I guess there is no way Ryan Reynolds and Tom Cruise can't be gay.
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Nolan, your mind detective kung fu is weak and a decade late.
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Leo is going through a post-Summer Finn breakup funk. Ellen Page symbolizes his emasculation. "Your mind is the scene of the crime" = how Summer totally messed with his head.
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I've heard for a reliable source that WB will make the announcment of Nolan et al's singing on to batman 3 within the next 3 weeks (they want to make it official before the press starts on inception. because everyone is going to ask nolan about batman 3) also expect some casting announcments including Leo as Jason Bard
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But what about red dragon Avatar happy meal toy? You said you were going to snag one for me? Did they come in yet?
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post your adress and i will ship it out, did you also want it covered in semen, because if so i have to know in advance
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Fuck that, I know what hours you work the drive in. I'll just swing by.
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who is the one who told you this?
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I thought you worked the drive in on weekends? I guess they can't trust you with money yet. Or is it at least 6 months on the fryolator before you can move up to drive in?
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i tend not to have time for people like you, but i feel sorry for you because your dad is really your mom's sisterAnyways back to my main poin, Expect some serious Batman 3 announcments within the next 3 weeks, the film won't be out untill december 2011 but pre-production is already well underway that we may be able to have a trailer out for clash of the titans in march
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Really? As far as I know my dad was just some sperm at a clinic? And if anyone has time to post on this site....then they got nothing BUT TIME on their hands.
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i find scouring message baords is a good stress release and it helps me to find out what the movie fans actually want... for example i don't know if you have read the transformers 3 script that leaked online but alot of that script is based on your guys fan comments about the first 2, and i think you'll agree the thiord one is going to be great. I don't have any time on my hands, i am constantly busy with my work, but if something is important to you, uou find the time
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Fuck, people- read- listen- LEARN!!!!!!!!!!!
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Script Shadow hasn't read INCEPTION yet, he put that up there to get his readers to flip out, and it worked.
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http://tinyurl.com/ydsbcav
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Who's that? Is that the name of the manager you are sucking off in order to let you use the computer at work all the time? I heard McD's is very strict about computer usage at work.
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Why do you keep this up after admitting that you don't actually work in the industry? You're not fooling anyone and it's really kind of sad.
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I'm typing these post while at the same time jotting down notes on some scripts as well as approving designs for some model work at ilm, and i'm hold for this conference call i have in 20 mins with some marvel and lionsgate executives about the future of the punisher franchise and to top it all off i'm juggling this hotter then hot double blend cappucino that i ordered incorrectly because i gave my assistant the week off and i have to do these kinds of things for myself...so forgive me if sometimes my spelling is on the fly
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Congratulations! I'm surprised someone who only makes as little as min wage can afford a cell phone with an internet plan.
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I played a joke on a couple of iritating TB'ers, i was writing in an sarcastic sense to piss them off.. but i assure you i am you i claim to be, it's been proven in the past i can't belive people still think i'm a false profit
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did aunty daddy not hug you enough as a child? and honestly this is a talkback for movies why so series?
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and wasn't expecting it so I had no idea I was supposed to be wearing my boner underpants. *shrug* It happens. Anyhoo, I really really want to see this movie more immediately than I can even type immediately.
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MY BEEF is that you dicked me on the amount of fries last week. Seriously when I order a large I want the container over flowing. You barely filled it to the top! And re read your last sentence again does that make sense to you? Also HELLO like I said, artificially inseminated. So of course I got no hugs from Dad. God for an up and coming fan fiction writer you sure miss a lot of the key plot points.
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I tell the bitch, either you top it off or I blast your bitch ass. They usually top it off.
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Dec 29, 2009 11:52:44 AM CST
I hate when a waiter brings you the wrong 500 dollar bottle of w
by jettl93
eeek, makes me so mad
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"hey, can you spare some change?" and then they start screaming 'cause you douse them in gasoline and light'em on fire.fuckin' bitches
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but that is not neccesarily a bad thing
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i'm telling you after every bit of info that is leaked and every trailer we see everyone will saw "oh it's____ crossed with _____" but after people see thins movie they will have nothing to compare it too because it's just so out there and like nothing you have seen before. There are some insuders saying that this might finally get nolan his oscer..or several ocsers if you get my drift
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retard
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I am bored of watching you argue with talkbackers. Whether you are who you claim not (frankly I couldn't care less either way) Please just make your comments and move on. The fact that you spend so much time in these talkbacks argueing with everyone that disagrees with you, makes you look more and more like a phony. If you are who you claim to be, then turn off your computer and enjoy living the good life and leave us peons to worry about talkbacks.
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What are you on about? Guys, is this guy for real?
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Dec 29, 2009 12:25:41 PM CST
And JettL, didn't you say Firefly is going to be in the next Bat
by continentalop
You still standing by that?
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but as i've stated before it will not be a main plotline, think of it has more of an appearence on the scale of scarecrow's appearence in TDK. Chris, And I feel that the character is far too remote to make an entire film out of, but he would work in a minior scene to establish the scum Batman must deal with. His origin may be eluded too but may also be altered to fit in with our world.
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that's just to fucking awesome to hate on!keep rollin' brother
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Firefly.
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granted he is a smaller villan in batmans rogue gallery, but with just a few altercations he's easily accessable to the nolanverse that we've established in 2 films. But as i said he WILL NOT BE the main villian, deadshot and riddler will be the main atagonists, firefly will show up at the beggining for one or 2 scenes
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and fuck the riddler!
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Jett, you're the only one invited.
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There is no way Nolan would allow him to disclose that kind of info without reprocussions. So can we all agree Jett is a attention hog and stop feeding the fire? Just ignore him and he will go away.
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hey you either get my scoops or you don't you take it with bad speeling..the choice is yours, You know i can leave at anytime, i turned down a black box because i said to harry, i said "harry i just can;t commit"
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That movie just never did much for me. Perhaps it's because I loved Spartacus and Braveheart, and Gladiator just felt like a rehash of the whole warrior/martyr thing to me, with tons of CG. So yeah, Dark Knight is a superior film in my opinion.
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Dec 29, 2009 1:37:48 PM CST
Gladiator IS better than Jackass or Bring It On though
by mattmanreturns
Fuck Beaks.
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I'm not a hater, you're quite amuzing to me. Anyway, weren't you the person that posted a month ago or so that there is heavy footage of Heath Ledger that was meant for TDK and kept out at the last second because of his death.
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There is nothing inherently wrong with it. There are capabilities to use it as a great artistic tool, (Avatar, What Dreams May Come-doesn't matter if the movie was well received or not, The Fall etc.) the only problem that I have is when it is used as a cost-cutting or blood-cutting crutch. This film appears to be in the former category.
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Yeah Gladiator did nothing for me either. Need to hunt down jawlesses review of it now.
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but thereis enough to creatrivley edit if it was needed, probabaly totaled a good 12 minutes worth of deleted stuff and some alternate takes. The major of which was the scenme showing Heath leaveing the party after batman jumps out the window to save racheal, there was also some of the interrogation scne that was cutnow odds are, that unless CGI or editing technigqes vastly improve we won't see any of the joker footage manipulated into a subsequent batman movie, Ultimatley it is up to chris since he's theman inc harge, but my gut tells me we've seen the last of ther joker for a while (probabaly untill a new director takes over and a new actor is cast)...but you never know
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See? DiCaprio isn't so bad.
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He's like Santa, I know he's a fake, but I love watching stupid little kids arguing wether he's real or not.
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You got any left over Star Trek toys from when you worked at Burger King? Or any extra Kirk glasses I only manged to get Spock. You damn Burger King employee fuckers kept stealing them.
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Actually mary-jane needs the shocker.
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you must be mistaking me for the inside of your butt
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Then I'd have two incomes and more money to spend on great movies like Star Trek.
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Don't watch Star Wars Prequels stoned either
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You will just become upset.
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In rereading my post it was a little misleading. I was stressing that Inception appears to be on the artistic side.
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looks cool.
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The new one is so damn flashy.
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TDK is better than Gladiator???? What the unholy ball scratching fuck????Even if I didn't think that TDK was unwatchable corn-filled shit, there's not a chance in Hades it could be considered a better movie.Who the fuck are you people? Jesus Christ! Opinions that are worth a damn are circling the drain.
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Hawaiian Organ Doner, I call you out!
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Troll my ass. Ask any of the regulars here. I've been calling out TDK on it's bullshit since last year. And I've been here on the site for a few. But on at least a dozen different occasions I've outlined why TDK is a complete stinker.
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Fag alert. What are you 12?
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But is it glorious?
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Anyone who comes on this site and tries to convince everyone that TDK is complete garbage is a troll in my book. Maybe it wasn't your cup of tea or maybe you were expecting something else from a batman picture. But someing up the entire film as "corn-filled shit", well thats just troll talk if you ask me. Even if you honestly believe there was no redeaming value to TDK (which I don't believe), you are in the minority my friend and YOUR opinion is not worth a damn in my book.
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Fag? really? what did I say to you? Besides, who calls people "fags" anymore besides children? Perhaps you should look in a mirror pal and see who the real infant is.
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How come The Dark Knight looked like it took place in a totally different city then Batman Begins? Also why was the main female lead in TDK played by a man?
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Immature grown men call people fags all the fucking time. I guess you haven't reached puberty yet.
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I have outlined very carefully in previous TBs why I think TDK is a bad, bad movie. And no, I honestly don't think there is anything of worth in the movie save for the odd performance. It's a really really bad movie that somehow the general masses have eaten up.And yes, I am in the minority. Just like I'm in the minority that Americans don't actually pay all that much in income taxes and I would gladly be taxed more to know that police officers and teachers were paid more, everyone had health care and bridges didn't collapse as people were driving over them. So sometimes I'm really fucking glad to be in the minority.
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I've never met a police officer that was low on money that didn't put themselves there.
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"immature grown men" that's too funny. I don't even need to follow up on your comment, it speaks for itself.
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why do they need more money????
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the reason I call bullshit is because you have obviouosly devoted alot of time on a film you claim to despise. If it was so awful that you can't stomach watching it, why keep it alive by writing about it so much. I have seen many movies that I trully disliked, so I shut it off and never thought about it again. I wouldn't torture myself by continually writing reviews of it (good or bad).
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Look you pricks, we have two types of public servants and the ones we elect fleece us and give us nothing in return. No reason a nurse who saves lives shouldn't earn as much and have the same benefits as a congressman who does nothing but get fat from pork.
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don't even need to follow up, or can't follow up???? Yeah thats what I thunked.
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Because I've met enough people like you who claim it's greatness and ask me to defend my position.TDK is so universally loved, I'm not going to be a douche and dismiss it so easily. I've watched it twice and really tried to see what everyone else did. And when asked for the multitude of reason I thought it failed, I was prepared to do so. That's what movie geeks do. They discuss the reasons why they love AND hate movies.
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The main chick in the movie was a dude. A fucking dude? WHATS NEXT WITH YOU? Are you gonna tell me that Up In The Air is some cinematic classic?
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you just keep digging yourself deeper and deeper.
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And for the record, I never stated my opinion of the film. I just don't honestly believe you sat through it twice and hated every second of it. I think you have been playing devils advocate for so long that you may even have convinced yourself that you hate it completely.
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keep DIGGLERING? Fuck you jowel lover. YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT! I run these streets! And HOD slays it fucking NIGHTLY! NIGHTLY BITCH! What do you do even on a weekly basis?
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and what's a jowel. Man you have some issues, I don't want to speak with you anymore until you get back on your meds. Peace.
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especially the ones that bone their students
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How could I not be after the hype? But I honestly started losing interested after the bank scene. People calling it monumental and brilliantly filmed and I'm thinking, "Sheesh, Mann did this already and much better in Heat."And the second time I really went in with an open mind and watched it with someone who hadn't seen it but was loving the first act. When they started picking it apart for all the same reasons I did in the second act, I knew I wasn't crazy.
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TAKE A LOOK AT THIS JOWL LOOKING THING!!! http://tinyurl.com/yj625fc And I ain't HOD's bitch, boi can stand on his own. You just need to stettle down son. I'm just loosening you up before he gives you the JACKPOT MOTHER FUCKER!!!!
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There are many people who did not like the film and I do agree it has many plotholes and bad acting. All I'm saying is that it is bullshit that you could not find one think entertaining about the film. That means that you sat down and from minute one went " oh man look at those bank robber, boy they suck, and listen to that music, what a shitty choice. Oh man, that's a shitty way to rob a bank, oh my god, those are the worst choices of mask, what was he thinking" You mean to tell me you did that for 2 1/2 hours. no, I think you exagerated how much you hated it in order to stand out as "the man who hates TDK"
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Sorry I couldn't think of anything good to say. But this will just have to do. And you are GONNA TAKE IT. Don't ever question HOD's movie watching skill again. He is a professional. Something you can just dream of being. Now give me a lap damnit and get your head out of your ass.
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Dec 29, 2009 5:05:59 PM CST
vin_diggler who gives a flying fuck what your opinon is cocksuck
by xiphos_2
TDK IS corn filled shit. its not even a Batman movie its real titled is JOKER! guest starring in small role that dude with the stupid voice that has nothing to do with the dark night.
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I find anyone who comes out throwing insults and vulgar names right off the bat to be very immature and unintelligent. Therefor your comment means nothing to me and these few words are all the time I am going to waste on you. Good day.
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Honestly bay could have shot a lot of that movie and we couldnt have told the differance.
Its the same with pixar and harry potter movies. It is somehow obligatory to like those kind of movies. "omg i saw new Pixar and it was fucking amazing with baby seals and talking animals. Those pixar guys sure know story and structure and remember to say those exact words next time you talk about pixar movies, it will make it seem you actually know what you are talking about."
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You know what was great about TDK? The score. Truly an awesome score. Hats off to Newton and Zimmer. And I sort of enjoyed the first 10 minutes or so the first time around. I think it was when the Batman impostors were introduced that the movie began to lose me.Thanks for agreeing with me Xi. Again, no hard feelings for the thing over at AIBN today I hope.
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Even if the film is called "Shit fuck cock piss" and stars Ahmed Best doing mocap of a CGI Spencer Tracy, I will watch the damn thing opening night and trust without thinking twice it will be good.
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I count three people so far that have seen TDK for what it is. You, me and a dude I watch movies with reguarly...my film aficionado.
I can't go into detail while TDK is an average film of whatever genre its trying to do. Superhero? Crime? Thriller? Heist? Action?
It's confused and so far up it's own ass. The fanboys have fallen for the let's put big words and talk about Rome in a....COMIC BOOK FILM. OH WOW!
You all fell for it AND I FEEL FOR YOU! I FEEL FOR YOU!
Ten years, let's see of TDK will still have the legs.
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That's your choice- but calling out people who love it as impressionable fanboys is overreaching. I saw it as a departure from the superhero genre in a good way- a step in a new direction which leveraged Batman (one of the few superheroes without some mystical/mutant power) in a way that elevated the material. Honest intellectual disagreements are fine, but hating the fact that a vast majority of people embraced this movie is childish.
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Which is vastly over-hyped. probably this and There Will Be Blood are two of the most over-hyped films ever.
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AVATAR is one... the LOTR movies are collectively another for me. In the non-genre field, most anything by Steven Soderbergh gets more love than I think is deserved too.
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Two points.
Avatar has not been hyped anywhere NEAR the degree of There Will be Blood or Nolanman 2. No chance.
LOTR does deserve a lot of its recognition and hype. Come on, what cinematic experience was greater than those movies? Okay, there were a lack of characters and the films were not very good in a screenplay/acting standpoint...save for Ian Mckellen. Still, those were big time movies.
Soderbergh...okay. I'll give you that one. Traffic over Gladiator? Fuck outta here!
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Dec 29, 2009 7:25:00 PM CST
Are people really still griping that Batman didn't do enough in
by odo19
What the fuck is wrong with you people? Vern summed it up pretty nicely a while back so I'll just quote him. "Okay, not to get involved in nerd religious squabbles, but I never understand when people say Batman isn’t in DARK KNIGHT enough or doesn’t do enough. He beats up many thugs, traces a bunch of money, leverages a merger as an undercover operation to investigate a corrupt CEO who he then awesomeley kidnaps from Hong Kong, does an illegal interrogation, has a great truck and motorcycle chase, cleverly foils a plan to reveal his secret identity, creates and operates a morally questionable surveillance system, captures the Joker, shuts down his base of operations, sets himself up as a public enemy not to mention various moral and emotional dilemmas regarding his love for Rachel, his admiration for Harvey Dent, his partnerships with Gordon and Morgan Freeman. He skydives, he flies, his eyes glow, he smashes a car, he almost quits, he helps fake a death, he loses a loved one, among other things. What more do you want the bastard to do, juggle and recite poetry?"
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Hmmm, I seem to remember something about eyeball fucking and it being a gamechanger being spread all over the place prior to it's release. I guess I must have dreamed that all up.
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have said if it wasn't cut off.
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That's what I desire.
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In Nolanman 2, he may have done all those things, but it was not about him. It was not centred around him. The best story arc was give to Harvey Dent and the most interesting character was Joker. Batman was just some guy in some modern quasi commando outfit with a something in his vocal chord.
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some people can't wait to try and tear TDK apart simply because the majority of people seemed to enjoy. But god forbid you say anything slightly negative about Avatar and those same TDK hater jump down your throat. Why is that movie taboo? Did fucking Cameron send a check to everyone so they would not bad mouth it? If so, mine must of got lost in the mail because Avatar was way over hyped with a mediocre story at best.
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... it's fucking retarded to say that Avatar is less hyped than ANYTHING. If you mean among the general population who didn't know what Avatar was until November this year, I guess you could say TDK had more hype among that demographic (but those types of people STILL have probably never heard of There Will Be Blood). If you mean among the online film/fan community, then you're just two hundred percent full of shit, because we were told Avatar was going to assrape our eyeballs at least a year ago. Nothing has been that hyped before, ever.
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there are plenty of people on this very webpage both for and against each of those movies (Avatar & TDK), so why are you trying to suggest everyone is on one side (against you)? There's a reason there are 50,000 words of *argument* right above your post, all you have to do is scroll up .....
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I saw it again on blu-ray last night and it blew me the fuck away.Social/racial commentary (WITHOUT the noble savage Indian bullshit)? Check.Complex protagonist with an actual character arc, for once? Check.Amazing special effects? Check.Way better graphic on-screen deaths than just about anything ever? (Fucking lightning guns that make people explode!?) Check!Making us identify with an alien species, just like everyone fell over themselves raving about with respect to Avatar? CHECK! And Blomkampf did it first!They're all good movies, but if you have to pick one of the three it's D9 by a mile, Nolan and Cameron and all their irrelevant legacies can fuck right off, this is supposed to be about judging a film on its own merits.
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when did I say everyone was against me? And when did I say everyone is on one side? Your reading way too much into my post. so don't get all snooty. Peace.
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That was all AVATAR's self-created hype. manfistchaos speaks the truth.
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chaos, diggler, shake virtual hands, you're both smart fellas.
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can people lay off him for a while so he can at least catch his breath??
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Page looked hot in the trailer .... Would fuck that. and the Dark Knight is a stunning movie so could the hater PLEASE fuck off.
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it completely skullfu....hmmmm *internal monologue* I'm using skullfuck way too much lately...I need something new...how about pisses on?? Piss is always good...Yeah....there you go Odo....good one *internal monologue* *clears throat* Err...what I mean to say is that I didn't even like D9 all that much and even I know it pisses all over Avatar. It did this not with a bunch of 300 million dollar CGI and 3D gimmicks but by having old fashioned interesting characters that I can care about and relate to.
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Didn't like it at all. Went into it really rooting for Blomkamp too. Hated the documentary style approach. Gets old real quick. The lead guy simply couldn't carry the film and the effects were bordering on Jar Jar Binks in certain scenes towards the end. It really bugs me that so many creature characters in films today are being done in CGI. I really wish they would go Rob Bottin or Rick Baker on that shit. And with Jackson's love of makeup effects its sad that he relies so heavily on computer generated effects. Honestly I MISS the Meet The Feebles days. Inception will own us all by the way. And Inglorious Basterds was hands down the most entertaining film I've seen all year. Haven't seen Avatar yet. Did see the 15 minutes in Imax earlier in the year and I wasn't all that impressed overall. But the hype is luring me in to see the final product for better or worse. And James Cameron is still a terrific director. even his not so great films like Abyss, Titanic and Pirahna 2 are at the very least watchable.
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Good thing they only used it for the first ten minutes of the movie then, eh? Find something real to gripe about. I enjoyed the hell out of Inglorious Basterds (unlike the rest of you, I actually really like ALL of the movies discussed on this page so far) but it doesn't hold a candle to D9 simply because it's so damn self-indulgent. Sharlto Copley was fucking incredible, how can you possibly say he "couldn't carry the film"? I'm not going to say anything idiotically hyperbolic like "he was way better than Christoph Waltz as Hans Landa" because he wasn't, but he was absolutely perfect in the role. Maybe you just wanted a typical Hollywood protagonist you could comfortably identify with like Harrison Ford rather than something a little more challenging......?
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You just called me out for claiming that everyone is against me and then you turn around and say "unlike the rest of you, I actually really like ALL of the movies discussed on this page so far". so it's really everyone against YOU! Pot meet Kettle. Speaking of pot, I'm gonna go burn one myself. All this arguing is really causing my cataracts to flair up.
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Dec 29, 2009 8:34:58 PM CST
Doesn't the documentary style go on for like half an hour or mor
by odo19
and even after that it still occasionally cuts back so you can see fake expert interviews and hear his wife and family members mourn his disappearance. I thought the faux-documentary style worked myself but to say it only lasts 10 minutes is disingenuous.
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Fucking make sense with your arguments or the gloves are going to come off. Fucking pot head.
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half hour or more?? is how that was supposed to finish.
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if not, then I still have nothing to say to you.
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I don't think anyone is against me, I see a bunch of people bitching at each other about whether Dark Knight is better than Gladiator and how those two stack up to Basterds and Avatar. Most of these people are arguing that their preferred selection is best because ALL THE OTHERS FUCKING SUCK, SO-AND-SO IS A WASHED UP HAS-BEEN blah blah blah ... I think some of them are definitely better than others (though this is as subjective as anything I guess) but I enjoy them all. I'm not gonna say Gladiator is good and Dark Knight sucks -- neither of them sucks! None of the movies being discussed here suck! But some people can't argue without terminal hyperbole so instead of reasoned arguments about Avatar's plotting issues or Basterd's pacing we have people trying to tear down Cameron's/Nolan's/Spielberg's entire oeuvre, which is retarded. Terminator 2, Memento, Jurassic Park, these are AWESOME movies. Why do people act like it's a zero sum game?I didn't exactly say anything hateful or vitriolic toward you, I just took issue with the way you seemed to suggest that everyone defending TDK hates Avatar, when that's not the case: there are people arguing for and against everything mentioned on this page, and I haven't noticed any real patterns among who likes what. But I bet most people here actually enjoyed all of them (despite valid criticisms), just like I did.
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ugh I've been out of weed for 72 hours. I didn't fall asleep until sunrise last night.
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The love triangle is just an inferior version of CASABLANCA. And Batman is more like Victor Lazlo than he is Rick (and Maggie G is no Ingrid Bergman).
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I said everyone who bashes TDK for the sake of bashing all seem to love Avatar. My point was why does Avatar get a free pass. I'm a little on the defensive today because I've been called everything from cocksucker to douche bag simply for trying to defend TDK. No hard feelings mate.
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Noon, behind the GYM. Be there or I'm gonna tell the whole school that you are a pussy.
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You're the fucking Encyclopedia of all that is wrong with TDK- while we don't agree on that movie, yours and HOD's gripes are the most intellectually honest and interesting takes on the movie. havehope and others, you need to go to TB school to achieve their level of rhetorical strength.
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series has been going at me all day. But I forgive him, My mom told me to always be nice to the "special" children.
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You bring any of your special friends and your ugly girlfriend tomorrow. I don't care I take on all comers. You better do some push ups tonight, because tomorrow I'm bringing the hurt.
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Dec 29, 2009 8:57:43 PM CST
Hmmm. This talkback doesn't seem safe either.
by isleptwithkathybatesandallthatigotwasthi
*Evacuates*
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Dude, you can't let the terrorists win! (sigh)
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just so long as your name isn't Vin_Diggler. Then yeah...I'd leave.
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Look, I'm Woody! HOWDYHOWDYHOWDY!
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What is funny about that movie that there is so much I appreciate and so many new things I admire about it everytime I think about it. There is also so many flaws for me and new problems I examine it as well.
My biggest problem is that it falls so infuriatingly close to being the masterpiece everyone claims it is, IMO. And I only continually criticize it because it is A) Batman, which makes it something interesting to discuss; and B) everyone tries to put it up there at the same level as The Godfather or Chinatown, and I got to disagree with that high of ranking. -
Were you the person who said that TDK is the most complete and ultimate look at the hero/villain rivalry/relationship? Whomever said that I have to agree with that statement.
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Reminded me of Return of the King with Jackson cramming what felt like 30 endings into the film. TDK would've been an infinately better film had Nolan shaved 30 minutes off it. The whole ferry nonsense with all it's bad tv quality acting reeked of second unit direction and stuck out like a sore thumb and the the "Wayne Entreprises employee know who Batman is" subplot was frustratingly pointless! I hated the fact that Nolan's "McGuffin" at the end (the thinly veiled "Surveillance Society" metaphor) stole Daredevil's "radar vision" effect from the 2003 movie! Way to immediately cheapen your movie, Nolan! I hated the Swat guy, Michael Caine's crap bandit story, Maggie Gylenhaal's cheeks, Bale's utterly ridiculous voice, the hammy eastern european gangster, the hammy fat guy with the mobile phone sown into his stomach, Ledger's "pffffffsssh" explosion noise whilst looking directly into the camera when he clicks the detonator in the hospital and the unsubtle nature of Nolan's Heat homage/plageurism at the beginning (he even tries to copy the "forcemaker" music). Eckhart was as bland and one note as he always is. Eric Roberts' role was criminally underwritten. The Hong Kong snatch and grab scene was bashy, desperate and unnecessary. What I liked in TDK: Ledger's brilliant unveiling as the Joker at the beginning. The Joker gang masks. Cillian Murphy, Cillian Murphy, Cillian Murphy and the fake batmen scene. Ledger and Michael Jai White going at it. Ledger and the burning pile of money and the "feed you to your pooches" line. Ledger and his gang fighting batman at the party, Ledger going through the weapons during the swat van chase. Personally, i think Nolan's Batman movies are the weakest on his CV. They're messy poorly acted in large parts and poorly edited and I get the feeling he's not particularly comfortable making them. BB and TDK have their moments but ultimately, for me, they fall way short as great films.
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Dec 29, 2009 10:24:19 PM CST
betterlookingthanyou nobody missed the twist in Prestige....
by murdermostfowl
( MAJOR Prestige SPOILERS WARNING ) It's that he is is so overcome by his need to succeed and sacrifice everything ( family, friends etc ) that he even resorts to murder every night. He knows and lives in fear of his own death and yet continues to do it. It's the sci-fi mind fuck there at the end. I loved it. The Illusionist was a great movie too, but just about the only thing in common they had was that it was about magicians.
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for a sec I thought you were trying to insult me but then I remembered the last thing I posted ... sadly I'm on the east coast and north of the border. But I appreciate it. haha. I'm getting hooked up tomorrow anyway, so it's all good! Only one sleepless night to go!
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Genuinely takes the movie up two notches!
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Harold finally called out JettL.
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I love JGL and for some reason I never got around to seeing that movie
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you coulda said "I'm about to smoke a blunt and watch Bad Boys 2" And I woulda said "yea that's an awsome idea!"
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is what I meant
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...say what you will about the movie, but to my kowledge, there was no second unit for The Dark Knight. There was quite a lot of talk around the movie's release about how Nolan refused to use a second unit and shot every scene in the movie himself.
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Our talks re: TDK have been sprawling and glorious... Lincoln and Douglas come to mind!
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You know who you are…Cocaine is a hell of a — oh, fuck it — GIMME A BREAK!
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and it gets more interesting with each viewing.
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I think once me, you and toad (HOD might have been involved as too) had a very serious TDK debate and by the end of it we had brought up Nietzsche, Aristotle, Hobbs and Kant.
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As is now and always shall be, theKRELL honor your presence.
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Who Don't Like This Trailer? Are You Fucking Kidding Me?????? Meh???????? Who Could Watch This Trailer And Say "Meh"? You should all fucking die. You're all worthless. Hollywood shits out piles of diarrhea on a daily basis and as soon as something good comes along you still vomit your negativity all over it. The owners of this website should shut down and the people who frequent it only to shit on everything should chew on the barrel of a shotgun. I hope this website gets hacked and all you negative cock suckers get your heads sawed off. Fuck you. I'm out.
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Rabies.
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Almost every damn movie I see has employed the style. Can we go back to where movies have a beginning middle and end?
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— to honour theKRELL is a privilege that is humbly and respectfully returned.
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Documentaries are ABOUT storytelling…
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I love the weirdness, the visuals, and the fact it was made from original screenplay. DiCaprio isn't always good, but occasionally he turns in fantastic performances. I hope Nolan pulled one out of him here.
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And I love, love, love the score!
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Whomever pointed out that the scripshadow.blogspot.com post was revealed as an april fool's hoax was correct. My apologies, didn't know.
I was, however, pointed in the direction of these spoilers, which seem to be fairly more accurate.
Here is the link: http://incontention.com/?p=12388
And here are the spoilers. To be honest, I find the scriptshark guy's fake post to be a far more interesting and original concept than what Nolan's turned out to be.
S P O I L E R S
"Christopher Nolan’s “Inception” has made for one of the most tightly guarded projects to come along in quite some time. Plot descriptions have been relegated to “it’s a contemporary sci-fi actioner set within the architecture of the mind,” while the teaser trailer that debuted online yesterday and with select prints of “Inglourious Basterds” over the weekend was careful not to give away too much of the story. It was a teaser in the strictest sense of the word, and I fully respect Nolan for that.
I’ve heard that Nolan hates the internet. He is a director who respects the integrity of experiencing a film fresh and without the barrage of story-specific publicity that can ruin, or at the very least, lessen the impact of that experience. Having helmed two of the most hotly anticipated films of all time in “Batman Begins” and “The Dark Knight,” I can certainly understand how he might develop this position, if in fact he has. And “Inception,” with all it’s secrecy, has this same air of anticipation around it as fans and journalists clamor for more information. (A faux script review was even posted as an April Fools Day prank, drumming up tons of excitement.)
So with that in mind, you can probably understand why I would feel somewhat conflicted about revealing what I know of the “Inception” plot after the jump. I’ve sat on this for quite a while, actually, but with elevated interest in the project following the trailer debut, I thought it was a good time to spill.
Please note, if you want to remain pure as to what this film has to offer, do not continue reading. I implore you. (There are spoilers.) But for those happy to be spoiled, well then I’m happy to divulge.
I have not read the script for “Inception,” so this information is all second hand from someone who has. If it seems vague in areas, it is because my source was recounting from memory. I can’t be 100% sure how much of this gels with the truth because WB publicity can’t comment on the film’s plot points. I’m not able to verify this with them. But it all seems fairly legitimate to me.
In a nutshell, the source says “Inception” takes place in a world where we have developed a means by which we can enter people’s dreams. Leonardo DiCaprio’s character Cobb has been described as a “CEO type,” but he is also something of a criminal. He dives into people’s dreams to extract information.
Ellen Page will play Ariadne, a young college student studying in Paris who is a part of Cobb’s team (along with Joseph Gordon-Levitt’s Arthur and Tom Hardy’s Eames). Cobb’s team actually “creates” the dreams and Ariadne is an “architect” of the them. She engineers them.
When Cobb’s team enters the dreams, it is not via a machine such as “The Matrix” or “The Cell,” I’m told. It is via injection, and the technology can easily be transported in a suitcase. In one scene (featured briefly in the trailer, I believe), the team actually enters a person’s dream while on an airplane.
Cillian Murphy stars as Fischer, a business-type who is soon to become the head of a company. Cobb’s team is attempting to insert an idea into Fischer’s mind to compel him to separate the company into two smaller companies. The reasoning for this is unclear on my end.
Ken Watanabe plays Saito, a character blackmailing Cobb. For what reason and to what extreme, I do not know. Aside from him, there is no classic villain in the story, but Cobb’s wife (Marion Cotillard) causes some trouble.
The two of them at some point find themselves stuck in many levels of a dream and Cobb’s wife tries to convince him to stay in that world, that it is much better than real life. However, Cobb wants to return to his children and the real world.
This plot point is a bit unclear (and is a massive SPOILER), but I’m told that the wife commits suicide in the dream in order to return to the real world. When Cobb himself returns, he is charged with his wife’s murder and has to flee with his children.
The film will not be typical sci-fi fare at all. It is set in the real world, present day. And virtually all of the “action” scenes take place in the dream environment. This should go a long way toward explaining the “Your mind is the scene of the crime” tagline that accompanied the trailer. Ultimately it seems like a grounded, more tangible blend of “Minority Report” and “The Matrix.”
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Yes, but documentaries rarely have those parts where you feel like you're in the movie and not just watching some director stylizing everything.
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As a Nurse and knowing all the instances about anatomy and physiology will really help you a lot when you really need something or for an emergency sake. It could be of good use. Though some poeple don't like it either because they are not used in dissection and analysis about how things are done. In my own opinion, it really made me aware and conscious on things especialy when it comes to your health. On the other hand, this news will certainy make you think,everyone lives in a rental property at some point in their lives, and many never own their own home. Since people will accumulate possessions with some value, a renter's insurance policy becomes prudent at some point. They cover mostly things such as fire, vandalism, and theft, but additional coverage can be purchased for floods and earthquakes, in applicable areas. There are two types – replacement cost, where the policy will cover purchase of comparable replacements, and Actual Cash Value or ACV, which pays you what the item is worth. A fire will set you back more than a payday loan, so insurance, even for renters, is something to consider.
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You must be new here. EVERY SINGLE talkback is about 60% assholes shitting over whatever subject is being discussed.
If I ran this site I would wonder what it is that inspires such bizarre vitriol towards the medium of film. How does the site inspire so many people to join who simply hate movies?
Most Talkbackers - that 60% who hate EVERYTHING - are the worst collection of internet dickheads outside of Youtube commenters. -
who are indebted to another driector that is Stanley Kubrick and those directors are James Cameron and Christopher Nolan. There are shades of DW griffith and lean to cameron also. If you look at the opening avatar, Cameron is paying a homage to his idol Kubrick. the way nolan makes movies is also similar to kubrick in that there is a security clampdown to prevent anyone knowing anything about the film that is being made.
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Can someone explain why it's necessary for them to know 'more' about the story in a trailer before they're satisfied. Surely based on the type of movie, the star and the director you've already made up your mind whether you're going to see it or not.
Or am I a rare film watcher that doesn't care to know much about a movie. It's spoiler filled trailers, and badly written reviews that explain too much about the story (obviously there are 'contributors' on this site that I don't waste time reading!!) that only seem to ensure a movie isn't half as enjoyable as it should be because all the surprises have been spoiled. Practically all of today's trailers show too much and go on too long. The industry is so scared that they might miss out on a customer and are so desperate to ensure we see their films, trailers tend to do more harm than good for me. Directors are either utter lap-dogs to the studios or they lack faith in their often poorly scripted, dull acted, directed-by-the-numbers movies themselves.
By the way, Baghead, you're some kind of a >insert insult here< putting up a post that would surely utterly ruin the discovery of watching the movie unfold. Isn't it bad enough some reviewers around here already do that? -
as FACT!As it stands, this is looking pretty solid. Not to mention it has an unbelieveable cast. Anyone know where the Pedal-backers reside these days?
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Just because I don't like the movie. Conti nails it above when he says there is a lot to admire and even like about TDK. And I dare say, had they ended it with Harvey in the hospital and brought him back for the third movie, I might actually give it a thumbs up.But what I find funny is that save for silly dance numbers, TDK shares much in common with Spider-Man 3. They were both bloated exercises in cramming way too many storylines and villains into one film. Yet TDK is the one that gets the free pass.And Diggler, I've talked to plenty of people who didn't like Avatar and unlike the people who call TDK a masterpiece and are incredulous that someone can dislike it, I understand and accept every grievance the anti-Avatar folks have.
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You have no idea what's going on but you love every minute of it.
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That inception is going to be there big oscar push for 2010. they have other project that will get attention and likely nominations but many at wb are already anticipating inception will be the big winner for 2010, Leo even aknowldeged that nolan will get a best director oscer for this one
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Dec 30, 2009 7:49:49 AM CST
IT WOULD JUST BE COOL AS ALL FUCK IF LEO TURNED OUT TO BE
by bringingsexyback
a ninja.
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That's really great.
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nice to know not all TB'ers have fallen victim to the JettL93 whichhunt. It's resuring to know that some out there still understand i'm the bringer of scoops
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Dec 30, 2009 9:31:47 AM CST
Jett you 're a Thundering Wildebeast Nut Juggling Motard
by liberal_warrior
But your worse sin is that you simply are unfunny.
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Where is the Cop Out trailer TB? Guess no one got invited to that set. I guess we will have to trudge forward talking about the same old "Batman/Nolan/God/Ledger/Iwannablowmyfuckinbrainsout" topics. Cheers!
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You fucking useless bag of dicks.
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"I would gladly pay more taxes..."
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We reside in the #1 TB - Nolan's INCEPTION gets a poster. Subs will be there to greet you.
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I have friends who work in government and yes, the amount of money wasted is incredible. I was thinking more along the lines of a revamped system where more of my tax dollars go to those who deserve it. I understand if I were to start paying more taxes tomorrow it would still be squandered.
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talking about $500 bottles of water and hot coffees from your assistant is way too over the top, you gotta tone it down if you're gonna keep up the charade. your shark ha been jumped.
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Word. Not sure how to revamp that beast though.
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1.) This trailer looks great, and I'm seriously looking forward to this flick. It seems to have a great cast, and the premise has me hooked. Hoping it's good.Nolan is very talented and makes great films, the worst of which (Insomnia) still managed to pull the best performance out of Pacino in 10 years and gave us Robin Williams as a credible villian and the best of which (TDK) Became the 2nd highest grossing film...ever.He is not, however the Berg. Or Scott. He could be, and could even exceed them at some point, but for now it's too early to tell. Safe to say, his 5 films (Memento, Insomnia, Prestige, Batman Begins, and The Dark Knight) thus far are all great, tense, serious pieces that I've enjoyed. (with the Bat films being the most light-hearted of the bunch, ironically for the guy who made Batman "serious and real-world".) Nolan is a great filmmaker of the new generation, and Inception and Bats 3 should be great films. Hoping for a bright future with him.3.) The Dark Knight is an ace film. I don't care how you slice it, what plot points are there, and what hammy bits of acting are included..and they are. 85% of the film is excellent, taut, storytelling at it's best and seriously changed the way "comic book movies" are regarded. Critics, fans, and the general public alike agree on this....not that it matters, the film stands on it's own merits.
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no wonder studios think they can shove whatever down your throats.I personally thought TDK was great in parts and overlong/melodramatic/implausible in other parts, but to each his/her own. However, do not delude yourself into thinking that it's the pinnacle of excellent filmmaking. It just isn't.
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me=nUbb
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Yes I am anticipating this because it's Nolan, and Nolan hasn't made a shitty film yet.but I'm not sold on the visuals. Nothing here looks terribly unique, except for maybe the building 'rising up'.The concept could be great and original or derivative and shitty. It's hard to tell right now because there is so little divulged about the plot/concept. Yes, a good trailer should not reveal the entire plot and make the movie seem pedestrian, but a good trailer should give you a general concept/starting point for the film. This teaser does not. But then again, it's only a teaser. I imagine that we'll see something more substantial in the upcoming months. something that resembles an actual trailer.
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TDK is the best comic book film ever made. story wise not so much. but only from a technical point of view. otherwise its soulless.
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there already was a teaser for inception and its on empire online. right now. you have too see that trailer to believe it and like this one it tells you nothing about the film. to some up the the teaser. bonkers.
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same story too, apparently.
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Google the plot which seems kinda dumb but the action from the trailer looks great!
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is the scene of the teabag
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a story from Philip K dick that was though to be unfilmable.
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Honestly, I find Memento to be such a piece of shit film. But The Prestige more than makes up for it. Prestige is almost definitely my favourite film of 2006.
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It's not a piece of shit, but it's boring, and would be even more boring if it was not "told backwards." I guess I also found it a bit depressing.
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I want to see the movie, but the trailer sucked. It lowered my interest level. I have no idea what the fuck is going on or what the movie is about. Why are there explosions? Why does the city fold on itself? Why is everyone wearing suits and running around and stressed out about a macguffin? Why should I care? Why is Leo telling a girl to imagine things? Is this a ripoff of The Cell?
The Fountain, now THAT was an interesting trailer. This is just a weird mess. Also, Leonardo DiCaprio sucks,and I don't like his acting. This bodes poorly. -
eat a dicc nigga
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I'm sold.
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"A CEO-type becomes involved in a blackmailing scandal. Corporations have developed a technology to enter dreams to extract information from certain peoples' heads. A CEO (Leonardo DiCaprio) enters dreams and things begin to escalate, taking a turn for the worst."
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People are having a pop at Sma Worthington being forced down our collective throats as hollywood's new action star but for me, there is nothing more confusing than the acceptance in hollywood of Leonardo DiCaprio as a "tough guy". Now I don't think looks are particularly important here, sure Leo doesn't ever seem to look older than 21 and can't grow a proper beard yet seems to have it written into his contract that he must feature one in every film, but there's just something so very "whiny" about him. Whenever he screams or shouts it appears as though his voice hasn't completely broken and it immediately makes you think you're watching an adolescent child playing dress up in his dad's duds!We get it here in the Inception trailer with "this was not a part of the plan", it just makes me think "shut up and go home to your mother". Joseph Gordon Levitt and his 90lbs comes across as the biggest badass in this trailer ffs! Matt Damon showed us that a teen hearthrob type can make that transition from teen hearthrob to stone cold badass when he went from Will Hunting to Jason Bourne. But Damon had an aura about him that DiCaprio doesn't posess, the way he carried himself and the silent moments where you could practically feel his inner turmoil! Di Caprio is taller than Damon and probably weighed more than he did in Bourne in films like Gangs of New York and The Departed but he's never been able to portray himself as a bruiser convincingly. We've had a trio of "screamy frat boy" performances in The Departed, Blad Dahmond and Body of Lies (where he with the help of Russel Crowe all but ruined a great action thriller). I'm looking forward to some more pubescent screamyness in Shutter Island (does Leo have photos of a naked Scorcese doing blow off a rentboy's ass or something) and can't wait for a bulked up DiCaprio with a spray on beard screaming pubescently whilst holding a big sword in Gibson's viking epic! How he gets these projects is beyond me, one of the most overrated actors of his generation, a grown up Zac Efron who for whatever reason is consistently able to work with far more talented people!
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DiCaprio looking over Gotham from Gotham PD rooftop.CHECK! DiCaprio attaching his silencer ready to gatecrash the Joker/Mob meeting? CHECK! DiCaprio dropping off Morgan Freemon from the Wayne Enterprises helicopter in Hong Kong? CHECK! DiCaprio telling Cillian Murphy "...and we need to find out what that is" in Bruce Wayne's penthouse bedroom, probably at the party the joker gatecrashes? CHECK! DiCaprio standing in Ras Al Ghul's temple for the final shot of the trailer? CHECK!
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Well, it reminds me on different Movies: Matrix, DarkCity, or maybe he's just getting crazy.
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"So you would say to you buddy 'Give me the kick' and that would send you into the world of the film, know as Incepnation . . . JettL is truly a classic. And he was actually a little more right on the rumors, such as they were, about Indy 4 than what Ain't It Cool was posting at the time."Incepnation". Either he's doing it on purpose or English is his 3rd language.
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So, they've responded to the fans? So, Megan Fox is naked through the entire thing, says nothing, Shia Labeouf is crushed in the first 2 minutes of the film, the transformations actually look like transformations, the shaky-cam is gone, and the action is staged so that the average viewer can tell wtf is going on? And there's a plot? That somehow involves Megan Fox being nude throughout the entire film? Now, you've got me looking forward to Transformers 3.While Michael Bay is raking in the cash, he couldn't give a tin nickel or a brass fig what the "fans" think. In every movie, he flips them the bird while he takes their money. That's his thing. That's what he does.
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And I don't think anyone in the industry could have done a better job of keeping Mr. Nolan's coffee hot, or juggled those complicated donut orders. Also, after he's through with the on-set porta potty's, those Johnnies sparkle.
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