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Titled “The End of Time, Part One,” the penultimate Russell T. Davies episode of “Doctor Who” ran Christmas evening on the BBC. Davies’ (and David Tennant’s) final episode of the series runs on the BBC New Year's Day.
"Part One" hits BBC America 9 p.m. Saturday.
We may add more to this post later, but here’s what the first wave of U.K. viewers have on their minds.
“palimpsest” says part one is “OK on its own”:
Hi Herc
My couple of pence-worth on the first half of the last Tennant-era WHO, THE END OF TIME, which premiered on the BBC tonight.
Short and relatively spoiler-free, so here we go.
The Doctor's time is up. The Ood (see WHO eps past) have summoned him back to elaborate on their earlier prophecy. The Doctor knows that whatever they've got to say won't be good for him (at least in this incarnation) so he's been on a bit of a holiday (including a neat one-liner which wraps up a loose plot-end from a couple of seasons back).
In no time The Doctor's back on Earth, where it seems that his nemesis The Master (John Simm) just won't stay dead. So The Doctor teams up with Donna's grandad Wilfred (minor UK TV character actor legend Bernard Cribbins) to try to work out what's going on.
Basically there's a lot. The ep, as you might expect, is heavy on exposition and on either re-introducing plot threads which are being sorted out or on introducing a fairly extensive set of new characters. There's a lot of set-up here and the ep does feel like the first half of something than a genuinely entertaining piece in its own right.
There are some very good single lines, the tone is much darker than the Christmas specials of previous years, and Tennant, Cribbins and Simm are all good value. Simm in particular seems to be channelling Ledger-era Joker at some points, which probably isn't a terrible thing. There are huge nods to fanboy mythology, we get glimpses of Timothy Dalton who guests in the second half, and some of the comic business works well. Practical effects and CGI are well-used, though there's a feeling that the big guns are being held back for the second part.
Grumbles as usual centre around the way Davies handles the SF elements. The Master's resurrection is a bungled affair and Davies seems throughout more concerned with his own myth-making over the past five seasons of story-lining than with the wider WHO mythology. He does, though, have acute skills in characterisation and is particularly adept at portentous-sounding bollocks.
Everything rushes along at a breathless pace and the cliffhanger is an absolute corker, even if it does hang on a pun.
So, OK on its own, though final judgement needs to be reserved until we see the story played out. Part Two premieres in the UK on New Year's Day.
“Mikey Walsh” says “this wasn't a bad episode”:
Just thought I'd send in a review for the first of the last 2 episodes of David Tennants reign as the doctor - The End Of Time.
The previous episode, water on mars, showed a darker side to the doctor. It showed that not everything he does works out well, and it also made him realise that the end was coming.
He had been told before that there would be 4 knocks, and that his end was not far away.
Going into this episode, which was the 1st of a 2-parter, we knew most of the episode would be a setup for next week's finale. We get some old characters appearing from the last series(donna makes an appearance but doesn't see the doctor, and Bernard Cribbins makes a return as her grandfather).
I was suprised by the voiceover as it was none other than Timothy Dalton. He does play a much bigger part in the next episode, but I don't want to spoil it for anyone yet.
The basic story revolves around the fact that the doctor is coming to the end of this regeneration, and that he once again meets the newly resurrected Master(played again by Jon Simm), you are led to believe that this will be like the end of the 3rd series with the doctor against the master, but it turns out that there is something else controlling everything and there are much bigger things happening than the master regaining his power again.
The story starts with the doctor meeting OOD Sigma who takes him to meet the OOD elders. They can see what has happened in the past and what is happening now. They tell him that they are having a reoccuring dream of a man's face, who they don't know(the master) and of some other characters we come to meet later.
The doctor then races back to Earth and lands at what remains of the prison where Mrs Saxon(the master's ex-wife from the end of series 3) is locked up. The officers of this prison seem to have read the master's diaries and know what mix of special liquids are needed to bring him back(as well as DNA from his wife). The master's comeback doesn't go as planned however, and he ends up starting to tear himself apart, but has also gained some electrifying powers.
The rest of the episode deals with the doctor meeting up again with donna's grandfather(and his crew of old people that follow him round) and the master being kidnapped by a billionaire who wants him to fix a machine that will give his daughter immortality(which he happens to have found when torchwood was destroyed). The machine, once fixed, can heal anyone and is designed to copy DNA and spread it to everyone on the planet.
This all builds up to a finale where everyone on earth looking like the master, Donna starts remembering everything(which is supposed to make her brain burn up and kill her) and setting up next week's final episode where you find out that the ones controlling the whole thing are... the Timelords on Gallifrey(which is where Timothy Dalton comes in). How they are planning to explain the Timelords miraculous recovery from the Time War(where it has been mentioned numerous times in previous series that they and the planet of Gallifrey were destroyed) should be interesting(if maybe not plausible).
Overall, this wasn't a bad episode, although it was obvious that the whole thing was setting up next week's finale, where we know that the doctor regenerates into Matt Smith.
There were the typical David Tennant traits through this episode(ie a lot of running, and speaking through gritted teeth as well as things blowing up behind him), as well as some usual cheesy bits(June Whitfield, from Terry And June plays an old lady who just wants to pinch the doctors ass). The OOD seemed a bit left out as they were in the first couple of minutes of the episode to set it up and then disappeared for the rest of it.
The trailer for next week shows the doctor battered and bruised and some lady who keeps knocking 4 times, signalling the end is near. You then see Timothy Dalton as a Timelord, and the camera pans back to reveal thousands of other timelords he is speaking to(the scene looks exactly like the senate from the phantom menace).
“RolloTomassi” calls it “a distinctly average episode”:
Stuffed full of turkey, nursing the remnants of a bottle of red wine, and especially charmed by the delightful Gruffalo on BBC1 here in the UK, I'm hesitant to once again pass judgement on the first of the last two David Tennant Dr Who's.
Still, emboldened by Christmas cheer, and the sense of well being created by one of the finest animations outside of Nick Park's output, I'm going to make by thoughts known once again.
I'll try to keep it short as I appreciate I'm18 minutes behind live play after the protracted exit of a great aunt (God bless live pause).
I'm the first to admit that I dislike Russell T Davies episodes – yes, even Midnight – and I can't wait for the Moffatt era.
And with this latest attempt I can't say I find myself likely to be convinced of his talents before the end of his tenure.
But first I feel I should offer the episodes better aspects.
Former Bond Timothy Dalton is a great addition to the Dr Who universe, with the ultimate reveal of his roll in events giving some hope for the second part of this festive double.
And Bernard Cribbins is as always a welcome relief from attempts to make proceedings too serious.
Unfortunately, any praise ends there, as once again the man in charge forgoes far fetched but near believable fare in favour of making John Simm's Master a combination of Sauron, Superman, Mortal Kombat's Raiden and Tony Stark.
Coupled to an irritating voice-over and a bodged satire on the over-indulgance of Christmas things are going down hill long before it's clear the entire premise is fulfilling a poor move towards a terrible pun.
The End of Time does offer glimpses of hope for a reasonable conclusion on New Year's Day, and I will watch, but I question if many of the viewers who've taken the time to tune in this evening will do likewise.
Overall, it's a distinctly average episode, which based on Russell T Davies' previous episodes almost seems like high praise.
“Gabba-UK” says:
Hi Herc,
First let me wish you, all at AICN and all the Talkbackers a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.
This will have to be short and sweet I'm afraid as Christmas family duties are pressing on my time. And with one big spoiler at the end. Besides I feel that the talkbackers from the UK will be champing at the bit to talk about this one.
At the end of The Waters Of Mars we saw the Doctor go too far. He's still coming to terms with it in a middle age crisis way, ie ignoring it and running off to do other things. But the Ood are calling and even Timelords have to face up their shortcomings.
The Ood are having bad dreams and their culture is far beyond what 100 years of development should bring. Someone else is pulling the strings. That someone you suspect is the narrator of this story who is telling us that the End is coming.
The Ood show the Doctor their dreams the face of the Master laughing, Lucy Saxon, his human wife locked in a cell and Donna's Grandad, being very unhappy. The Doctor returns to Earth to find Wilf, while avoiding Donna who brain will burn from the TimeLord knowledge stored in it should she remember anything of her life with our favourite Timelord.
Meanwhile, Cultist's of the Master when he was Harold Saxon manage to resurrect him from instructions he left them, requiring a DNA sample taken from Lucy. Lucy's not having any of that. And throws a spanner in the works and the resurrection is far from smooth.
Meanwhile a Billionaire is working on a way to make his daughter immortal using the reborn master and a piece of equipment he acquired from the destroyed Torchwood institute. The Master has other plans however......
What's Bad? Knowing that one week it'll be David Tennet's last stint as the owner of the TARDIS. Matt Smith.... you've got one HELL of an act to follow.
Whats Good? Bernard Cribbins can never do wrong in my book and he doesn't disappoint. Tennet is doing his usual greatness but there is a real sense of sadness about him. The doctor knows his time is up and Tennent does it beautifully. (I'm looking forward to his Hamlet which is on BBC2 on Boxing Day). The general dark tone of the episode, which is pretty scary for a Christmas Special.
And the Spoiler.......
The Narrator is a former secret agent with a real sense of Hot Fuzziness about him...... AND...... Drumroll please.....
THE TIMELORDS OF GALLIFREY ARE BACK!!!!!
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My couple of pence-worth on the first half of the last Tennant-era WHO, THE END OF TIME, which premiered on the BBC tonight.
Short and relatively spoiler-free, so here we go.
The Doctor's time is up. The Ood (see WHO eps past) have summoned him back to elaborate on their earlier prophecy. The Doctor knows that whatever they've got to say won't be good for him (at least in this incarnation) so he's been on a bit of a holiday (including a neat one-liner which wraps up a loose plot-end from a couple of seasons back).
In no time The Doctor's back on Earth, where it seems that his nemesis The Master (John Simm) just won't stay dead. So The Doctor teams up with Donna's grandad Wilfred (minor UK TV character actor legend Bernard Cribbins) to try to work out what's going on.
Basically there's a lot. The ep, as you might expect, is heavy on exposition and on either re-introducing plot threads which are being sorted out or on introducing a fairly extensive set of new characters. There's a lot of set-up here and the ep does feel like the first half of something than a genuinely entertaining piece in its own right.
There are some very good single lines, the tone is much darker than the Christmas specials of previous years, and Tennant, Cribbins and Simm are all good value. Simm in particular seems to be channelling Ledger-era Joker at some points, which probably isn't a terrible thing. There are huge nods to fanboy mythology, we get glimpses of Timothy Dalton who guests in the second half, and some of the comic business works well. Practical effects and CGI are well-used, though there's a feeling that the big guns are being held back for the second part.
Grumbles as usual centre around the way Davies handles the SF elements. The Master's resurrection is a bungled affair and Davies seems throughout more concerned with his own myth-making over the past five seasons of story-lining than with the wider WHO mythology. He does, though, have acute skills in characterisation and is particularly adept at portentous-sounding bollocks.
Everything rushes along at a breathless pace and the cliffhanger is an absolute corker, even if it does hang on a pun.
So, OK on its own, though final judgement needs to be reserved until we see the story played out. Part Two premieres in the UK on New Year's Day.
The previous episode, water on mars, showed a darker side to the doctor. It showed that not everything he does works out well, and it also made him realise that the end was coming.
He had been told before that there would be 4 knocks, and that his end was not far away.
Going into this episode, which was the 1st of a 2-parter, we knew most of the episode would be a setup for next week's finale. We get some old characters appearing from the last series(donna makes an appearance but doesn't see the doctor, and Bernard Cribbins makes a return as her grandfather).
I was suprised by the voiceover as it was none other than Timothy Dalton. He does play a much bigger part in the next episode, but I don't want to spoil it for anyone yet.
The basic story revolves around the fact that the doctor is coming to the end of this regeneration, and that he once again meets the newly resurrected Master(played again by Jon Simm), you are led to believe that this will be like the end of the 3rd series with the doctor against the master, but it turns out that there is something else controlling everything and there are much bigger things happening than the master regaining his power again.
The story starts with the doctor meeting OOD Sigma who takes him to meet the OOD elders. They can see what has happened in the past and what is happening now. They tell him that they are having a reoccuring dream of a man's face, who they don't know(the master) and of some other characters we come to meet later.
The doctor then races back to Earth and lands at what remains of the prison where Mrs Saxon(the master's ex-wife from the end of series 3) is locked up. The officers of this prison seem to have read the master's diaries and know what mix of special liquids are needed to bring him back(as well as DNA from his wife). The master's comeback doesn't go as planned however, and he ends up starting to tear himself apart, but has also gained some electrifying powers.
The rest of the episode deals with the doctor meeting up again with donna's grandfather(and his crew of old people that follow him round) and the master being kidnapped by a billionaire who wants him to fix a machine that will give his daughter immortality(which he happens to have found when torchwood was destroyed). The machine, once fixed, can heal anyone and is designed to copy DNA and spread it to everyone on the planet.
This all builds up to a finale where everyone on earth looking like the master, Donna starts remembering everything(which is supposed to make her brain burn up and kill her) and setting up next week's final episode where you find out that the ones controlling the whole thing are... the Timelords on Gallifrey(which is where Timothy Dalton comes in). How they are planning to explain the Timelords miraculous recovery from the Time War(where it has been mentioned numerous times in previous series that they and the planet of Gallifrey were destroyed) should be interesting(if maybe not plausible).
Overall, this wasn't a bad episode, although it was obvious that the whole thing was setting up next week's finale, where we know that the doctor regenerates into Matt Smith.
There were the typical David Tennant traits through this episode(ie a lot of running, and speaking through gritted teeth as well as things blowing up behind him), as well as some usual cheesy bits(June Whitfield, from Terry And June plays an old lady who just wants to pinch the doctors ass). The OOD seemed a bit left out as they were in the first couple of minutes of the episode to set it up and then disappeared for the rest of it.
The trailer for next week shows the doctor battered and bruised and some lady who keeps knocking 4 times, signalling the end is near. You then see Timothy Dalton as a Timelord, and the camera pans back to reveal thousands of other timelords he is speaking to(the scene looks exactly like the senate from the phantom menace).
Still, emboldened by Christmas cheer, and the sense of well being created by one of the finest animations outside of Nick Park's output, I'm going to make by thoughts known once again.
I'll try to keep it short as I appreciate I'm18 minutes behind live play after the protracted exit of a great aunt (God bless live pause).
I'm the first to admit that I dislike Russell T Davies episodes – yes, even Midnight – and I can't wait for the Moffatt era.
And with this latest attempt I can't say I find myself likely to be convinced of his talents before the end of his tenure.
But first I feel I should offer the episodes better aspects.
Former Bond Timothy Dalton is a great addition to the Dr Who universe, with the ultimate reveal of his roll in events giving some hope for the second part of this festive double.
And Bernard Cribbins is as always a welcome relief from attempts to make proceedings too serious.
Unfortunately, any praise ends there, as once again the man in charge forgoes far fetched but near believable fare in favour of making John Simm's Master a combination of Sauron, Superman, Mortal Kombat's Raiden and Tony Stark.
Coupled to an irritating voice-over and a bodged satire on the over-indulgance of Christmas things are going down hill long before it's clear the entire premise is fulfilling a poor move towards a terrible pun.
The End of Time does offer glimpses of hope for a reasonable conclusion on New Year's Day, and I will watch, but I question if many of the viewers who've taken the time to tune in this evening will do likewise.
Overall, it's a distinctly average episode, which based on Russell T Davies' previous episodes almost seems like high praise.
First let me wish you, all at AICN and all the Talkbackers a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.
This will have to be short and sweet I'm afraid as Christmas family duties are pressing on my time. And with one big spoiler at the end. Besides I feel that the talkbackers from the UK will be champing at the bit to talk about this one.
At the end of The Waters Of Mars we saw the Doctor go too far. He's still coming to terms with it in a middle age crisis way, ie ignoring it and running off to do other things. But the Ood are calling and even Timelords have to face up their shortcomings.
The Ood are having bad dreams and their culture is far beyond what 100 years of development should bring. Someone else is pulling the strings. That someone you suspect is the narrator of this story who is telling us that the End is coming.
The Ood show the Doctor their dreams the face of the Master laughing, Lucy Saxon, his human wife locked in a cell and Donna's Grandad, being very unhappy. The Doctor returns to Earth to find Wilf, while avoiding Donna who brain will burn from the TimeLord knowledge stored in it should she remember anything of her life with our favourite Timelord.
Meanwhile, Cultist's of the Master when he was Harold Saxon manage to resurrect him from instructions he left them, requiring a DNA sample taken from Lucy. Lucy's not having any of that. And throws a spanner in the works and the resurrection is far from smooth.
Meanwhile a Billionaire is working on a way to make his daughter immortal using the reborn master and a piece of equipment he acquired from the destroyed Torchwood institute. The Master has other plans however......
What's Bad? Knowing that one week it'll be David Tennet's last stint as the owner of the TARDIS. Matt Smith.... you've got one HELL of an act to follow.
Whats Good? Bernard Cribbins can never do wrong in my book and he doesn't disappoint. Tennet is doing his usual greatness but there is a real sense of sadness about him. The doctor knows his time is up and Tennent does it beautifully. (I'm looking forward to his Hamlet which is on BBC2 on Boxing Day). The general dark tone of the episode, which is pretty scary for a Christmas Special.
And the Spoiler.......
The Narrator is a former secret agent with a real sense of Hot Fuzziness about him...... AND...... Drumroll please.....
THE TIMELORDS OF GALLIFREY ARE BACK!!!!!
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...but was mostly set up for the big face off next week.
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The resurrection of The Master was absolutely terrible, with teh secret clan of followers plotting to bring him back, and a counter clan of anti Master supporters planning to stop the resurrection, which all goes wrong and everyone dies except The Master who turns into Neo. HUH?Still, always good to see Bernard Cribbins, he is perpetually on top form.Still, it was enjoyable enough fluff. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do not balls up the second half. We know what happens to DT but please handle the rest of the story properly, without resorting to some gimmicky reset mechanic.BTW, David Tennant and Catherine Tate were on BBC later in the Catherine Tate Show, with DT playing the Ghost of Christmas Present.
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to dance on his grave next week
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people like me who want the mini-impression will get stuff ruined by having to browse for a real reaction (as like a bad reviewer, his impressions are not written clearly anywhere in the first paragraph). And especially as he flaunts a spoiler in all caps at the end ... a bit more consideration for those who havent seen it would be appreciated
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many people havent seen this episode yet, why give it all away?
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I'm currently watching the Colin Baker Doctor Who episodes for the first time, and they are terrible. I imagine that the new Christmas special will blow my @$$ away!
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Bernard Cribbins and June Whitfield set up their own OAP version of Torchwood.It would be much like the normal Torchwood but with much better acting, and more sitting down and having a cup of tea.
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I thought the super powered master was weak and his dialogue was laughable early on. Things did improve and I certainly enjoyed the reveal at the end of the first half.
I'm sure I'll be quite sad when the 2nd part ends though. Tennant has surpassed Baker as my favorite Doctor. -
But the shaking head thing all the Masters did at the end is one of the worse things I have seen ..... EVER.
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Rusty did a good job...
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... he has at least ensured (in his new capacity) that this lands on TV here in the states tomorrow night...
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kind of a cool band name, but even better for us whofans, the timelords are back and james bond is leading them. actually a pretty fun episode, though it did drag a bit ten minutes in. the timelords looked to be in the senate room from phantom menace, i couldn't help but look for ET.
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I own all the boxsets for Nu-Who and have seen most of the old episodes but that episode was absolutely terrible. Urgh.
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You I am so tired of people analyzing and tearing apart things because "this person" wrote it or "that person" directed it. I used to be like that. Now I take a step back and watch a TV show or movie without taking into account details. And because of this I find I actually enjoy alot more of them. In this case it was an enjoyable hour+ of Doctor Who. I am not going to be one of those people that has to ruin the illusion of a magic trick. I am going to enjoy it for what it is!
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Oh fuck it, bring back Tom Baker. I know he's a million years old but bring him back anyway.
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Personally, I loved it. Been trying to watch some of the old Tom Baker episodes recently and they really don't hold up well. I can't stand Who fans who complain that the old series was better, it wasn't! The new one has better sets, better pacing, better stories, better effects, and a better Doctor (David Tennant will be solely missed). Complain all you want about Russell T. Davies, but without him there would be no new Doctor Who. Was this my all time favorite Doctor Who episode? No. Was it much better than the last two Christmas episodes? Yes. And I can't wait until New Year's Day now, which I have faith will deliver one of the absolute best Doctor Who episodes. Timothy Dalton!
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I did cringe a bit at the concept of 8 billion Masters but I hope it turns out as insane as the end of series 3. At the same time, I loved seeing Donna again and I thought both Simms and Tenant were in top form tonight. I cannot wait to see the second part as the ending was absolutely stunning.
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but the whole thing was worth it if just to see the Cribbins/Tennant link up...
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And this is what we get? I was actually glad RTD jettisoned the time lords. I always disliked them from Doctors Five to Seven. I used to see them as a kid and just roll my eyes, knowing I was in for a boring episode. If it's done right (Dune, Foundation), politics and sci-fi can soar, but when wrong (Star Wars Prequels, Doctor Who) it can be tedious at best. This was the least Doctor Who feeling episode I've ever seen in the modern series. With all the time he had, you'd think RTD would come up with something with more weight to send out the best doctor since Five. Ten will be sorely missed. Roll on Moffat. And Mr. Smith, You ARE the Doctor now. Earn this. :-)
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woggerman, I feel the same way about Doctor Who as you do. I'm going to miss David Tennant, here's hoping that NBC pilot he shot, "Rex is not your lawyer" gets picked up for the 2010 season here in the USA.
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Was really one of the only things they did well. I loved the whole arc of Palpatine from TPM to ANH. beautifully and subtly done.
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What was Brian Cox doing in a piece of unmitigated shit like this? Seriously, THIS is how he chooses to join the Whoniverse? This was worse than most of RTD's shitty oeuvre. Ugh.
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IMHO After the Master changed History the Daleks never existed as the Kaleds had evolved from human ancestroy, this was something set in motion the whole time by the timelords, Thus welcome back Gallifrey!
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How exactly was Gallifrey brought back? It is a tad puzzling to me.
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Just my opinion....
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I am not sure....
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Dec 25, 2009 9:43:48 PM CST
I hope that the Time Lords Last More than 50 minutes...
by darfurontherocks2
I think that the series needs to break away from the omnipotent Doctor that we have seen for 5 years. The Time Lords always served a good purpose to rein in the Doctor. I hope that we can have the Time Lords for longer than we have had the Daleks in this new series....
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With Captain Jack in the middle?
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So here's the cliffhanger, right? And it's the cliffhanger you're going along towards for the whole episode and it builds up at the end and oh yeah this is the cliffhanger we expected so now it's time for... OH, NOW WAIT, NO, WHAT THE FUCK? HERE'S THE ACTUAL CLIFFHANGER OVER HERE!! SUPRISE!
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was the one with David Tennant and Bernard Cribbins in a cafe having a cup of tea - what does that tell you about the rest?
Personally I've never liked Who even as a kid (grew up with Pertwee and Baker) and the Tennant episodes are the only ones I can bare watching again. I will definitely give Moffat a chance though based on his previous writing, but ain't no way the new kid gonna be able to follow Tennant. Man can act. -
First off, I agree with ian216a. Tennant was so in that scene with Cribbins. He got me. I was sad.
Second off, what was with the Obama/Naismith stuff? I feel like there was some attempt at satire going on, especially when their two events (fighting the future and large scale economic planning collided at the making of the Master race. That all has to mean something...doesn't it?
The episode was definitely all exposition. I felt like this was the first part of a three parter. How are they going to resolve this plot and bring everyone back in only 75 minutes? Oh, right, Davies loves Dues Ex Machina. -
...isn't it a little in poor taste to call them the master race? I'm sure RTD thinks that's some terribly clever sociopolitical commentary there, but really, it's not so much clever as it is terrible.
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Seriously, does anyone have a download link?
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Gallifrey coming back was explained by the cactus people. The machine repairs whole races not just one person.
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The last ten minutes were a bit alarming. It looks like Davies has cribbed from some of the most underwhelming sci-fi films of the last ten years- the Agent Smith scenes from Matrix Reloaded and then the senate scenes from The Phantom Menace
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The cup of tea scene between Cribbins and Tennant was gold as was the dcotor hearing the drumming in the Masters head.
The actors all do well with what they have got, Daltons narration and reveal are great and John Simm literally chews the scenery but other than that its rather bleh.
Davis attempts at satire with Obama and the recession just fall flat (specially as we have that idiot Brown a sought of scottish George Bush) .
The Father/Daughter plot made no sense and was kind of creppy to boot.
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Whether your reference is Agent Smith, or Being John Malkovich, or something else... the idiotic plotline just so we can have a "Master Race" pun.
RTD has no idea how to craft meaningful drama in SciFi. Just like the Masters last appearance, everyone knew that the only way to resolve the storyline was with a Voyager-like RESET button. And that's just shitty writing.
No explanation given for why Donna wasn't affected by the Masters template reset, which is only one slight niggle I'll admit. But it's one of many.
Lastly, "He will knock 4 times" - Everyone knew that meant the Master. At the time RTD tried the "It's not what you think it refers to" line, but that was bullshit. He wasn't as clever or as subtle as he thought he was, and we all guessed it.
The Timelords, yeah, again most people figured RTD would bring them back as his final act, to make the Doctor Who timeline more in line with the way he found it.
Most unforgiveably, there was no fallout from Waters of Mars. It might as well not have happened. The only reference we got was over a cup of tea, and while nicely acted, was irrelevant to the plot. -
Long time lurker, but I had to join to talk, mostly as I'm a yankee and must thank whomever it was across the pond who got this on-line for me to watch.
All in all, I'm more so looking forward to the conclusion, and found a lot of this one forced or down-right convulted. The implications for more story has me excited, if it's done right, and all-in-all, I was entertained. I watched a lot of the old Who when I was young, and have enjoyed the new series. I can only hope that it keeps going, and the change of so many things (Davies leaving, 10th Dr. Gone, Time-lords return) doesn't ruin the series.
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I'm a huge Dr. Who fan, but I have to admit this episodes was absolutely terrible. There was no plot, no cohesiveness, and one inexplicable thing after another. For example, the Master apparently can now fly and shoot lightning ala a cross between Nathan Petrelli and the Emperor. And the evil plan is to turn the entire world into Master clones? Good lord, that was retardedly campy. The only redeeming thing about the episode was the reveal of all of the time lords coming back next episode. I'm fairly optimistic that the second partwill be outstanding, but this episode was easily one of the worst of the entire series
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Naismith and his daughter were virtually motiveless and acted without reason.Very poor.I liked the manic Master but hated the jumpping about.Lucy's revenge was truly laughable as was Naismith seeing a blur on the tv news and thus presuming it was the master!Tennant was good as was Cribbens but ...dear god..the old folks???ughh。The Masters plan was initiated so simply and quickly that i guess it'll be reversed either by blowing up the machine(hence Doc's cut face) or the 体么Lords intervening。But I'm guessing that the situation is reversed quickly allowing Time Lords to capture the doc.i guess he escapes and goes back oon his own timeline to visit Rose etc hence the spoiler pics leaked earlier this year.Certainly we've yet to see Doc visit the granddaughter of his Family of Blood lover.I'd guess Doc is bloodied putting Masters plan to waste. One thing is definately interesting ....who were the two chaps behind Dalton hiding their faces? At a guess I'd say it was the doctor's future selves.....a Matt Smith cameo?
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Best companion ever. I just hope at the end of this they would bring back a regenerated version of her from E-Space and have her travel with the new Doctor. Her character by far beats all these human companions the Doctor's been with. Sarah Jane Smith is a close second.
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great acting, let down by really, truly, undeniably, 110%, turn the dial up to 11 for full effect, f**king bad material.
rtd has decided to tie up as many threads as he can, and has again introduced a new 'gimmick' that had alot of the uk thinking 'wtf is he up to this time?'. in season 3 the master turned the doctor into dobby the house elf, now he is electro/skeletor with a rumbling belly.
Credit to the actors for trying their best in a bad situation, but it really doesn't matter how hard they try, you can't polish a turd, and rtd has dropped a real steamer this christmas. -
wasn't she part timelord now anyway? fused with the masters DNA.. Her body would be able now to withstand the memories and thoughts that the doctor took away from her.
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None of the plot made sense. Lots of running for no reason. Characters just appear and do 'stuff' for no reason. Characters have special powers (that dont appear to help them either) for no reason. I couldnt believe that no one at the BBC who saw this before it was shown and said "we cant put this on xmas day its total crap!"
Anyone who thought this was any good is either retarded or had way too much to drink that evening.
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be the rani. or is it Lucy saxon or is it River Song. go to Youtube. watch that clip from season three where tennant is torching the dead body of the Master. and if you look down you will see. a green book. similar to the one that river song had.
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People forget what Doctor Who used to be like in the 80s, and quite frankly, it was shit compared to last nights episode. Timothy Dalton as the leader of the time lords!!!!!?!?!?!?! THATS. FUCKING. GENIUS. I cant wait till new years day, i almost shed a tear myself when The Doctor and Wilf were in that cafe. And WILF!!!! of course we have the amazing Bernard Cribbins, who i've been secretly hoping would become a companion for the doctor. Anyone remember the Dr Who film from the 1960s with Bernard Cribbins in? Well, he's come full circle now, in terms of doctor who.
And i was initially annoyed by the cactus people, until The Doctor started saying "Shimmer", which just made me giggle. And Wilf saying "look, shes a cactus!!!" made me chortle as well. I love that modern Who can be dark and comedic at the same time.
Ill be very sad to see David Tenant go, and i never thought i'd say this, but i really, really want Donna to get her memory back, with the timelords back in the picture, theres got to be a way to do that, right? -
I developed a new ability while wathing Who. I just get a few beers and stop to think about what i'm watching, and everything is sooo funny. Master's resurrection, and his Iron Man's repulsor rays, and this whole Being John Malkovitch rip-off is just hilarious.
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...it was utter bollocks. God, I'm praying this is the last time we have to put up with that slack-jawed Tate fucker.
No doubt the Time Lords are in a small dimensionally-transcendental object planted in the Master's skull or something. Meh, been there, done that. -
the reveal of the Masters plan. Then it went really fucking dogshit and OTT. RTD really needs to learn restraint. Last years giant cyberman was bad enough, the whole of the human race being replaced by the a version of the Master was fucking awful and one of the shitest ideas I've ever seen. That shit belongs in a cartoon.
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I'm not sure it does. If the template turns everyone into a duplicate of the Master as he is now, shouldn't that mean there are now billions of Hungry Hungry Masters, all with the need to feed and not enough food to go around? Seems like a dumb plan to me. Also, who gets to be Master of the Masters?
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He may hate the franchise and want to kill it, that line about the "idiots and fools gathering, excited about the new" was flatly aimed at his detractors, he may have gone too far though. The ep was a stinker.
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Ah, of course, I'd forgotten the entire function of the machine, haha. So the Master himself is no longer hungry, either? That's a relief, if it means there will be no Hulk-leaping see-through Master in the second episode. :)
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Of all the lazy, boring, and nonsensical episodes that RTD has brought us over the years, I can't believe that people are complaining about THIS one... it's nowhere NEAR the bottom of the pile. So far, it's easily the best of all the Christmas eps.
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When the timelords where first revealed and the camera swung around there was a skinny dude covering his eyes in-between them, I think it was MS.
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Ten million people: http://bit.ly/7CHUp1
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Waters of Mars was as bad Torchwood Children of Earth. The writer, I am convinced, is manic depressive. Never mind that an obvious solution to the Mars thing was to blow up the station and take everyone except the first two victims (who were beyond saving too early) away to a whole other time. No, he just haaaad to put them back on Earth in their own time. That was just stupid. It was all very grim and needlessly so. I haven't seen the new episode, but yes I am looking forward to a new writer on this series and I resent that Tenant is leaving in the clean house. I hope the next regime is more joyful. Torchwood should not come back. If it does come back, big spoiler for you, Gwen, her family, and Jack's daughter will all die horribly. Yes, Jack himself will kill them, especially the baby, who we're led to believe might have grown up to be Hitler 2, but we'll never know for sure.
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http://tiny.cc/vlTVC
I am guessing by the fact the credits are still showing that this scene appears with the first few minutes of the episode. It gives me a great deal of hope about episode 2, but unless the whole thing with the Master is really well explained, I think we could have done without him and just focused on the Time Lords.
For me this first part was rather muddled and featured the RTD trade marked silly humour.
I am a little bit of a RTD hater, I think he did a great job bringing the show back, but feel that his episodes, particularly the season long story arcs, have been rather weak. I have mostly enjoyed the “Nu Who”, but I did think this was the worse episode of “Nu Who”. The Books of Saxon thing really sat badly with me, it felt like lazy writing and the Masters new powers didn’t really seem to serve any purpose other than wasting the FX budget for the episodes.
There has already been a joke speculated the RTD came up with the Master race pun and then worked back. I hope he pulls it off, despite his face overacting sometimes David Tennant has been one of the greatest actors to play the character.
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Here's my guess.During the last special, the Doctor violated one of his cardinal rules and altered the fate of an "important" person. It seemed pretty pointless, since it really didn't change anything. It stands to reason that they may have done that to show that he was willing to break any rule nowadays. In this episode, another odd discussion of core time travel rules occurred. Again, it seemed really odd that the Doctor would make a big point to explain how he can't fix things by going back in time and altering the causality of his own timeline. It was odd because that "rule" is something that most viewers would already know since it's the one constraint that allows each episode to actually have suspense. I wouldn't be surprised if they did all of that to set up the groundwork for him to violate the main rule of time travel and alter his own past. First the show he now breaks rules, and then they explain a big rule that he says he's not supposed to break.
If the rule is as big a deal as they've always made it out to be, perhaps the violation will rip time apart and set up the return of the other Time Lords. I also wouldn't be surprised if the Doctor then gets fatally wounded, and then Donna pulls another merge that takes her from half Donna/half Master to a third Donna/a third Master/a third Doctor. With all three in her brain, she'd finally burn out and melodramatically die in the Doctor's arms. And then, in a final twist, instead of the Doctor regenerating, something kills him permanently. As the episode closes, we see the Doctor's body being burnt in an effigy but then suddenly the crazy, brain-fried Donna regenerates into the new Doctor and starts saying stuff that sounds like all three people in her head. Maybe next season's Doctor will be especially kooky because he's got to manage the aspects of the other two people in him.
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The Tennant-era WHO will go back along his own timeline, and further back than that. He'll go (in a self-sacrificing gesture which reconfirms his Lonely God status) back to immediately previous to the Eccleston reincarnation (there's a reason why we never saw the McGann - Eccleston transformation) and McGann will turn into new boy Matt Smith. This will have the effect of retconning the last five series / sort out the Time War for once and for all, and give Moffatt a clean slate to work with. That's based on nothing more than wild speculation, but there you go.
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Completely incomprehensible.
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On the spot or not, it was still a shitty lame writers decision to go that cartoony route. I'm sure the Master could have programmed that big Mc guffin machine to do something a bit more menacing and less comical than that. It can alter DNA for fucks sake.
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if you've got 6 billion megalomanic Time Lords, why would they work together? Wouldn't the 6 billion Masters all have different plans for what to do next? I am sure RTD didn't think of that, but I would imagine they'd have 6 billion individual plans for fucking with the Doctor/taking over the universe.
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as someone who loves John Simm as The Master. I think he's an amusing villain. But having 6,000,000,000 of him psychically linked doesn't really mean anything, and having 6,000,000,000 of him with their own minds would just lead to chaos.
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Besides the lame way the Master was resurrected, the episode was great. I had assumed that The Rani had was to have been the one to take Saxon's ring, But the whole Cult of Saxon thing didn't really make since as the Doctor Said in Sound of Drums/Last of the Timelords The master could have only been on earth for 18 months. How could he possibly have written a bible for himself in 18 months is beyond me. An easier way for last night to have gone done was the whole time the Master had secretly been working with The Rani, she brings him back. The whole Master Race thing is just to show you how screwed up in the head he is.
And on the Timelords returning. It has never been specified exactly WHEN the Timelords are located. And its been said several times in NuWho that its the human race that stretches and populates the known Universe. So in my mind as soon as he created The Master Race it sent a ripple effect through-out history. And thus Gallifrey never got into a Timewar because the Kaleds never evolved. Or the only second way I could imagine it is the progeny of the Master is what created the Timelords in the first place, which would be rather creepy. Either way, I personally thought last nights episode was great minus the potion ressurection. Oh and like most of you I'm pretty sure Wilf/Nobles are timelords. Donna already became half Time Lord thus wasn't effected by the Master, and the way the Timelords Contacted WILF is the same way they contacted Multiple doctors (See The Three doctors, the five doctors). So Wilf could just be a timelord himself. Can't wait till new years! -
I have been thinking about this, and indeed, i do think The Doctor will die in the next episode. I don't actually think there will be a regeneration. I think that will be RTD's ace card.
What I think will happen, is the doc will sonic screwdriver the immortality gate, and basically split the DonnaDoctor into Noble, and the new Doctor, but as far as this Doc goes, he will definitely die.
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This RTD´s last ever dr who. so it was inevitable that they are all going to crawl out of the wood work. one last time. These are all Moffat fans. Moffat can do no wrong. expect a major announcement in 2011 regarding dr who. The end of time is actually a precursor for the end of dr who its self.
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there is a scene between tennant and john. Simm is doing a blasts the dr with electricity. but that is not the scene where the dr dies. something big happens. tennant gave a very big hint. His Dr goes out with a hell of a bang.
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The photos of Matt Smith post-regeneration sort of make your idea (great though it is) a moot point. In fact Matt appears in a totally wrecked tenth Doctor costume, all singed and ripped like how the good Doc appeared in the trailer for part two, thus, he regenerates. All Russell T's talk of 'something more than just a regeneration' is his usual "PLEASE WATCH!!!!!!" Ithoroughly enjoyed the episode last night, was Claire Bloom the Doctor's Mum? And surely that was her covering her face behind the Lord President of the Time Lords, wasn't it?
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The return of Timelords, and I assume Gallifrey, could be explained with the line about the machine healing "entire planets" I guess.
Also, with regards to Wilfred potentially being related to the timelords in some manner, there's also the fact that Donna's surname would become "Temple-Noble" after marriage. I imagine that'll come into play in the next episode.
The episode was alright. Could have been improved with a few tweaks to the script and direction though. For a start, the shaking head effect always looks like absolute arse. The cafe scene was great though, as was the conversation between The Master and The Doctor in the scrapyard (after the crazy Raiden impression). -
This show had pretty much all the extremes about RTD's run on the Doctor. It had pointless stuff but it also had real heart.Why did the Master have to be jumping around? Why did he have to be running away from the Doctor (Except to pad out the hour)? Why did he have to have the whole skull thing going on? Why the food thing? And what in the world was the point of the Master Race? I know it was kind of a spur of the moment thing but what was the point? OK, so everyone is the Master. Then what?
But the stuff with Donna and the Cribbins/Tennant scenes were great. I just hope that the return of the Time Lords doesn't end up with them all being evil and the Doctor having to prevent them from actually returning. That would be really lame. -
TIME WOLF, RTD!
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And it sounds like I called most of the plot points here at the end of PLANET OF THE DEAD.
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Dec 26, 2009 11:30:53 AM CST
SHOULD HAVE ENDED TENNANT'S RUN WITH JOURNEY'S END.....
by tehcreepythinman
I never gave a shit about Who until I saw the fantastic episode Blink a year ago. It was soo good that I watched all four seasons of Who over the course of a week and HOLY FUCKING SHIT, now THAT is how you make a fucking GREAT Sci-fi TV show. Even more amazing when you take into account that I FUCKING HATED the old Doctor Who. People bitch about RTD but I think he did a great job on remaking the show for a new generation and audience. I was sad that he was leaving but the fact that Steve Moffat (writer of some of the shows best episodes including Blink, Girl in the Fireplace and The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances two parter) was taking over as show runner was encouraging. However, the problem I have with these specials is that they feel like they’re just marking time till Tennant leaves and bringing back The Master feels like “been there, done that”. I would have preferred if they just ended Tennant’s run with Journey’s End as that brought his story to a perfect close as far as I’m concerned. It would have been better if they just gave the show a rest for two years and started fresh with their new Doctor who I think looks like a gimp.
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There's a couple dozen seasons, buddy!
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Dec 26, 2009 12:46:46 PM CST
TheHumanBurrito, THE 4 OF NU-WHO, NOT INTERESTED IN THE REST!!!
by tehcreepythinman
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Time Lord WTF
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I saw "The Waters of Mars" last week, which was my first Dr. Who experience. I would like to see more, but from what I've read in the talkback, there is a lot of Dr. Who I should not bother with. What should I see? Where should I start? Thanks!
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BBC America bragged in Variety that "The Waters of Mars" earned them their highest ratings ever. They received 1.1 million viewers based upon combining 3 separate airings. That's fucking pathetic. SyFy would get 1.1 to 1.9 (and if I recall, something like 3 to 4 million when it first debuted) million in a single airing on Friday. Had they kept the series on SyFy instead of sacrificing it to BBCA in order to try to get better ratings for that crummy channel, several million other people such as myself could legally watch this being televised in 1080i on SyFy. But nope, they had to get greedy and chop the fan base 2/3rds to run it on their own crummy channel that has the resolution of a VHS tape on their SD channel. Their HD channel is almost non existent for anyone with Comcast, Dish, DirecTV, Verizon, Surewest, or AT&T as their service provider.
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The reveal at the end was great. The Master's characterization is still fucked up beyond recognition for fans of the Classic Series+TV Movie. And like always, Wilf steals the show. I hope he turns out to be a Chameleon Arched Time Lord, possibly even The Doctor's own father Ulysses.
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check out "series 1 through series 4" which are the new who episodes that started in 2005. RTD brought the series back and modernized it to have a much broader appeal than the old series from the 60-80s.
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What are you smoking to think that NewWho has better stories than ClassicWho? Certainly not the RTD penned scripts. Steven Moffat has been the only consistent writer on NewWho to equal ClassicWho (if not surpass it). Your posting is probably causing Robert Holmes to turn in his grave.
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The Kaleds were humanoid but they weren't human, so The Master changing human history would not erase the Daleks from existing. If you watch "Genesis of the Daleks" the Kaleds capture The 4th Doctor and Harry Sullivan and does body scans of their internal organs. The Kaleds - who believe that extraskarroian life cannot exist because Davros told them so - are stupified that The Doctor and Harry are obviously not from their planet based upon their much different internal organs despite looking similar on their exteriors.
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I didn't really say if I liked the episode or not! Dufus. Rushed for time with all the Christmas stuff. It was an above average episode I thought. The Master in his loonier moments was a bit OTT. But Wilf and The Doctors chat in the cafe was a nu who highlight for me. I agree that there is a lot more to Wilf than is being shown so far. I'm sorry about the spoiler I gave at the end but I was so genuinly surprised at the twist I couldn't keep it in. I'd not heard anything about it at all in the press here.
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Start with Christopher Eccleston's first season.
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Ha- RTD's true Master Race. Populate the entire planet with dudes... or Donna *retch* Noble. Those are your options from now on. I only wish he spent as much time on writing a good story as he does on cramming his politcal and sexual correctness down our throats- no pun intended (?). That said, you do have to give the man credit for bringing the good Doctor back, and giving us Eccleston and Tennant. I dowloaded a Troughton series from iTunes , The Krotons. Damn, that companion Zoe is a cutie- and looks mighty fine in her vinyl microminiskirt. Yum. The good old days when you had the hots for a companion.
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Was I the only one not surprised by the end at all? In fact, I was completely expecting it, especially considering when we saw Dalton halfway through the episode, and viewed it as the logical progression of the story.
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I refer to the stupid-in-my-opinion "drums" driving The Master mad. That was never in the Classic Series. That is an RTD creation to explain why he is batshit insane versus the other classic speculations.
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...that way you have the bridge to the Classic Series making way to NewWho. After you watch the New Series, I'd rent some of the classics from NetFlix.
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Some people act like this is a reboot of the series, it's not, it's a continuation of the series.
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You havee the right to your opinion and believe in it.
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I like what HornOrSilk has to say, he makes sense. You do, too, of course!!!!!!!!!!
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The Key to Time, Earthshock, Attack of the Cybermen, Remenbrance of the Daleks, Silver Nemesis come to mind. Yes, I must be one of the few out there that liked, no, enjoyed the Colin Baker and Sylvester McCoy era.
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Absolute Justice movie.
http://dc-marvel-universe.blogspot.com/2009/12/smallville-absolute-justice-just-gets.html
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and if the wire aint number one...he needs to resign
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Those were my favorites from the original series. My favorites fron NuWho would be Blink, School Reunion, The Girl in the Fireplace, Army of Ghosts, Doomsday. Ooooooooo, people are going to go crazy!!!!!!!!!!!
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The only thing I didn't like about the first 2 seasons of Jon Pertwee's time as the Doctor was non-use of the TARDIS.
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Ir was ok. John Simms was great as the master
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Dec 26, 2009 4:06:54 PM CST
HornOrSilk, I know that came out of nowhere, but................
by axcel1
I had to say that, Doctor and TARDIS, they go together like a horse and Carriage, as that old song goes!!!!!!!!!
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It was great seeing Tennant get all emotional with Bernard Cribbins. However, the cactus aliens were awful, the Obama ear-alike (they just cast a black dude with Obama like sticky out ears and covered the face) was terrible, the master race plot was too silly for words (lots of Simms in drag). I hope the return of the Time Lords makes for a better episode.
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I'll give you that, Inferno, The Autons, Claws of Axos and others were great, but, I need to see, to hear the TARDIS coming, I know how to explain it.
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Dec 26, 2009 4:16:11 PM CST
Ok, I think it's time for me to say what I always say at this si
by axcel1
I hope you all enjoy "The End Of Time Part 2", I already know I will.
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I'm going to rewatch "The Eand Of Time Part One"
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What a fucking joke. I mean Dr Who has been shit since Tennant took over and that idiot writer seemed to tak a left turn towards complete nonsense and childish pseudo-drama.....and it wasn't exactly quality in the first season of the reboot. This episode was one of the fucking worst. The Master Race? Oh for fucks sake, what a fucking childish and pathetic bit of writing. John Simms must be hard up since Life On Mars finished is all I can say. Roll on the new writer.
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Never heard of it.
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Being ood is their pennance.
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All of Gallifrey hiding away inside the Master somehow.
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Was it the line about the "good Queen"? Can anyone help me out with that reference?
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Elizabeth the Oneth (aka the Virgin Queen), who was very cross with the Doctor when she encountered him in the Shakespeare Code.
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Still the very best regeneration episode, ever. The Deadly Assassin is an awesome episode, but then so are the two parter The Keeper of Traken/Logopolis. I don't care what Terry Gilliam says, I swear that 12 Monkeys rips off Day of the Daleks and somehow gets the idea that time travel cannot change events. I detest the McCoy Era episodes and really feel they killed off the classic series. Actually, it was all downhill once Davison left, despite Peri's magical cleavage.
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Thanks very much for the posts. I'm going to cut and paste them into a Dr. Who starter file so I can refer to them in my new journey to Dr. Whoville. (ahem)
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Dec 26, 2009 7:47:04 PM CST
I Suspect that most Whovians Have a Greater Understanding than R
by darfurontherocks2
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but that episode really was shit.
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Everyone's asking all these questions, why this why that, well that's what 2nd parts are for ffs! This is what the penultimate episode of Lost is going to be like. They're gonna hold their cards till the very end, play them then run away and hide. That's what RTD is going to do here.
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Took them long enough to admit it!
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Doctor Who is as popular as it has ever been, but reading this list you'd think it was the worst ever.
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Davies didn't just throw that bit of the Doctor being puzzled about Wilf's connection to events in for nothing, I'm sure, so don't be surprised if Wilf pulls out a Gallifreyan fobwatch at some point next week.
And yes, Tennant's swansong should have been last season's brilliant "The Stolen Earth/Journey's End." Unless Omega suddenly pops out of the woodwork, I'm a little wary of how effective next week's final will be. Thank Rassilon that Steven Moffat and Matt Smith are on the way...
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Wilfred is great as always, I thought that Master plan was much more effective than when Agent Smith did it in the Matrix.
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THE LEGION OF TIME!!!
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Everything else, barring the cafe scene = shit. And yeah, what's up with the lack of reference to events in "Waters of Mars"?? Is this going to be touched upon whatsoever? I hope Part 2 is more epic and is told more sanely and coherently, otherwise I will also consider "Journey's End" as Tennant's last -- and "Waters of Mars" as an 'What If' type eppy...
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I dunno if it was the xmas weekend but everything felt EPIC!!!So many things looked to be tied up and David giving his marvelous performance as usual!The Master returning who we thought was dead and Timthoy Dalton!!!!BTW, Water Of Mars was some scary beautiful shit! I can't believe you fuckers whine when we don't have shit like that over here on tv!Doctor Who if nothing else at lease still tries to amaze and woo the shit outta its viewers!All we get over here in the states is endless police, hospital, and law dramas! Thank goodness for BBC America!
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The shite third tier digital plus platinum cable channel that looks worse than a VHS tape on their SD feed and then claims to have an HD channel yet its not available on DirecTV, Dish, Comcast, AT&T, or Verizon, and gets ratings that makes G4 look like a top channel. SyFy blows in comparison (rolls eyes).
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I really feel like the actors carried the last few seasons and the writing was crap. They just don't know how to pull off all of campyness and drama. Here's hoping Moffat and the new Doc bring the freshness this show needs.
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In Journey's End, Gwen Cooper of Torchwood explains to Ianto that they were able to "freeze" the invading Dalek with the use of a time-lock that Tosh had been developing. In another part of that same episode, the Doctor argues Davro's statement that he was rescued from the Time War by Dalek Caan, saying that such a thing would be impossible, because the Time Ware is TIME-LOCKED. Therefore, all the Doctor's lamenting over his home "burning" is either an exaggeration or just the way he chooses to regard the "loss" of it all. Maybe it was he who time-locked the entire Time War himself to save the rest of the universe from being overrun by the Daleks? The point being, that all this time the Time War was still going on within the immense time-lock that contained it, and the assumption was, well, heck, they must've been consumed by the massive conflagration within it.
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The War was time locked, and that means that The Doctor couldn't go back and change it, but what he did was kill all of the Daleks and TimeLords in the time war.
Most of this will be proven if you watch the 2 minute preview of the second part of The End of Time. The Lord President explains his disdain for the doctor's choice to kill all of both Daleks and Time Lords. -
I fucking knew that this was going to suck. RTD’s genius was taking each of the Doctor’s four primary villains, Daleks/Cybermen/The Master/Davros, and revolving each season of the show around them being the BIG BAD while putting little hints and clues throughout each series as to their overall plans for domination. The way each episode built towards the final was spectacular. It’s clear that there was no overall plan except to keep pumping out specials until they could come up with this piece of shit two-parter that will have Tennant saving the Universe before handing the role off to that fucking troll they hired to replace him. The whole thing smacked of badly conceived bullshit that tried to pull back in Donna and her family not to mention the fucking awful wank they did with The Master while the way that Simm’s played him was annoying. Really, The Master jumps around, shoots electricity and endlessly goes on about food!?! Oh and he replaces everyone on Earth with copies of himself. Did anyone else find that really fucking lame? I think they really need to come up with some new primary villains because this shit is really getting old now as they just keep rotating all the same characters. The show really needs to bury the past and move forward otherwise I’ll be discontinuing my association with the good Doctor. I’d kill to see the show take on a darker tone and feel as if it was a cross between Phillip K. Dick and H.P. Lovecraft.
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I wonder how many people are gay for the sake of being gay?
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Honestly I don't know why people are so excited about him, as everything he's doing so far seems to point at Doctor Who: New Moon.
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Dec 27, 2009 4:08:32 AM CST
Volllllume3, REALLY? IS THAT WHAT YOU THINK OF MOFFAT?
by tehcreepythinman
The guys a brilliant writer and I think the show will be in good hands. I seriously doubt that it will come near New Moon although I am dissapointed with his choice for the Doctor.
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Wrote some of the best episodes in the RTD era, with Blink being my all time favourite. But as a showrunner? Not so sure... Would be delighted to be proven wrong though.
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Would all you haters be happy if the show was never revived? Or if Eric Roberts had been allowed to carry on his portrayal as the Master?
Remember that the show was originally created for children. And while there were some great sci-fi stories there, it also had little production value, in hindsight making it all the more entertaining in an Ed Wood kind of way.
When the show returned, I for one was ecstatic that they had taken the history and mythology seriously and did a great job updating the Doctor. Not only did it have great production value, it has so far included 2 very memorable incarnations of the Doctor. It always winks and gives real Who fans little bits of the old mythology while adding to it. And while all the stories haven't been great, there have been quite a few memorable ones that will go down as some of the shows best.
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Dec 27, 2009 4:48:24 AM CST
Everyone catch the pointless gay reference this time?
by chronicallydepressedlemming
It was there, just as the old people wanted a photo with The Doctor...
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He show-ran the series Coupling (fairly intelligent wit), and did that one-off Jekyl two-parter with James Nesbitt. I think he's earned a shot, tbh.
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Dalton aside, it was just running back and forth through a building site. Running so you don't have time to notice when something daft just happened is the RTD formula, and it's not surprised people are starting to notice it when he uses it this often. The cracks are definitely showing and it's definitely time he move don.
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Dec 27, 2009 4:58:26 AM CST
Volllllume3, DEPENDS ON WHO HE GETS TO COLLAB WITH...
by tehcreepythinman
RTD was a real workhorse and I credit him with all the shows success. He deserves it. Now Moffat has written some great episodes but, as you said, it's a question as to whether or not he can supervise an entire series? I wonder if he’s going to focus on just singular Who adventures or will he continue RTD’s tradition of having an overall arc to each series. Either way, Moffat has a tough act to follow and I don’t envy him. It really depends on the writers he’s hired to collaborate with.
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I would have sold my soul to see Simon Pegg play the part. I understand why he wouldn't want to get stuck in a TV show when he's getting roles in flicks like Star Trek, BUT, he would have been an incredible choice. Even better would have been Mark Heap except that he's in his early 50's and I understand that they're pushing for a younger regeneration.
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clean and start over. This will be all new dr who.
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Every episode they put in a couple of 'knowing gags' about Who lore as if to say "wasnt that funny and we know what we are talking about!"
But the audience sits there going "Twats!"
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The good: Bernard Cribbins, the cafe scene, Brian Cox' voice cameo, Timothy Dalton & his spit.
The Bad: John Fucking Simm. He is just AWFUL. As soon as he reappeared on screen I cringed. When he first used force lighning I said "what the fuck" out loud.
Was that reviewer on crack? "channeling Heath Ledger"? Fuck off.
The lack of Doctor. It seemed DT was more of a support player here, just running around in the background for no reason.
The green people who are there purely because RTD liked the makeup - he said so in confidential. So they are kinda like Peter Kay then?
The awful Friar Tuck guy who can't act. And his daughter.
The Master Race. Seriously? SHITE.
I've pretty much defended the specials & series 4 to the hilt with a mate who stopped watching after The Sound of Drums, and then RTD does this?
I hope the next one is really, really good - DT deserves it after putting up with RTD's dodgy writing.
(I'll never forgive the Dobby Doctor or Love & Monsters)
Here's to hoping The Cybermen, Daleks & Master get thrown in the bin for a few years as they have been stomped into the ground in the past few series'. -
FLOCKA!!!
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I am Shocked, sickened and appalled at the way in which tv3 broke the nws that our finance minister has Pancreatic Cancer. it Is none of their business. and there are some stories which should not be broadcast. It is disgusting thing to do especially as TV3 in Dublin were asked not to carry the story untill the new year. regardless of wether one likes the Current govt or not. It is obviously a awful time Brian Lenihan and his family. as someone who lost my mother to cancer he is in my thoughts today.
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In Dalton we trust. Over all I didn't like the way RTD and the director handled the Master's return. A cannibal feeding off tramps, come on!! And it all felt too rushed to have any suspense or make any sense. Though I'll forgive RTD for his politically correct agenda in the first half as he makes up with it with the mighty return of Cribbens becoming the Doctor's assistant, which is a stroke of genius. Could this be more than a fanboy's nod to Cribbens being the companion in Peter Cushing's Dr Who? In fact it's reported that Moffat's Tardis is much like Cushing's one: messy, lots of wires, with a cobbled together look. This could give the producers the opportunity to use old footage of a much younger Cribbens stepping into a similiar messy Tardis. Is this the "war" the old mysterious woman means when she speaks with Cribben's through the TV? He's certainly NOT a Time Lord as he saw the same face as everyone else. It was only the Dr shoving him in the radioactive-proof room that stopped the images, remember? That makes him obviously human and not alien otherwise he wouldn't have been affected. It'll be interesting to see what is so special about Wilfred. As for the evil spitting Timothy Dalton as a Time Lord.... that's TV gold right there on your LCD screens. Soak it up and enjoy. The teasers look promising with much more Dalton strutting around in the thick of the action. Can't wait!!!
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timothy dalton, claire bloom, bernard cribbins and David Harewood. all in the same program along with tennant and tate.
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The character played by Bernard Cribbins in "Daleks' Invasion Earth: 2150 A.D." (would be cool but unlikely).
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just didnt flow, the master just comes off annoying, not evil or menacing at all.
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a situation it would be on Earth for 1) two people having sex when they both turn into John Simm and 2) women giving birth. Does the baby disappear or does it just be born as a fully grown John Simm Master?
I must say I started Doctor Who with the McGann movie and then have managed to watch a few episodes of the old series, here and there. I can't say I actually have favorite episodes of the old series, but I absolutely love what I've seen of the Colin Baker Doctor. He just comes off as a dick and I think that's an interesting way to handle the character. -
In the third series two-part finale, he came off as this brilliant counterpart to the Doctor which isn't a surprise as The Master was designed to be Moriarty, to the Doctor's Holmes. The way RTD built the entire arc was fantastic and although The Master lost, he was a worthy opponent and was only defeated because he underestimated the strength of the human race and the Doctor’s faith in us. But this incarnation of The Master came off as some mindless lunatic with flashy powers who was handed the keys to a super weapon at the last minute as opposed to the three dimensional chess master we saw in series three. There was just no build up in comparison to the plotting of the third series, which looks like genius, while this felt like shit thrown together just for the sake of giving Tennant some half-assed send off.
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In the third series two-part finale, he came off as this brilliant counterpart to the Doctor which isn't a surprise as The Master was designed to be Moriarty, to the Doctor's Holmes. The way RTD built the entire arc was fantastic and although The Master lost, he was a worthy opponent and was only defeated because he underestimated the strength of the human race and the Doctor’s faith in us. But this incarnation of The Master came off as some mindless lunatic with flashy powers who was handed the keys to a super weapon at the last minute as opposed to the three dimensional chess master we saw in series three. There was just no build up in comparison to the plotting of the third series, which looks like genius, while this felt like shit thrown together just for the sake of giving Tennant some half-assed send off.
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Hes playing a regenerated President Romana. Hence the dress. Wilf is going to get shot and regenerate into William Hartnell
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I wonder if they told Dalton to spray saliva when he was emoting at the end or if he just does that. It was super distracting to me.
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if the master was back on earth and starving. what the hell was all that stuff with lucy saxon about. Who were those people trying to bring him back if he was back on earth eating junk food.
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The Roberts Master was menacing and every ounce evil. While he was desperate to steal the rest of The Doctor's regenerations, he wasn't eating people. The only human'ish villain in NewWho that has been as menacing is obviously Timothy Dalton's character, judging from the 1st minute and a half of the next episode. Dalton's character is full of kick assery just as the Roberts Master was. Go onto Youtube and search for "End of Time Part 2" and you'll find the content that the BBC website is trying to restrict to only the UK.
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The Master is feeding on people because Lucy's magic potion corrupted his resurrection. Judging from the video of The Master running from the fire, RTD must've watched "V for Vendetta" recently.
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...in the first minute and a half of the next episode. He obviously is a President who doesn't appreciate dissent. Pity, Flavia was a voice of reason on the High Council back in the Classic Series days and offered The Doctor the Presidency after they decided not to execute him the last time they put him on trial for his life. "Flavia's Theme" is that musical piece with the female singer [the "woo hoo" ditty] that they've played all throughout NewWho during the sad moments since "The End of the World" when The Doctor had to seemingly slow down time to step through those spinning blades.
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I guess it's part of Who's new direction
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So, people are still upset about those? I found the gay old man being attracted to the Doctor no more distracting than the old woman being attracted to him.
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I think there is a connection between this new time president and the master. the dr is a deluded individual in that he thinks he is Time lord victorious. he lost the time war and the winner was the time president. the darkness sweeping through the universe is the time president and his warships to take the dr back to galifrey and the time presidents his doing a little killing of his own. in order to find the dr he is waging an intergalactic war. the connection between the master and the time president is that the time president is using the master as bait to trap the dr. and the time president knows all about the immortality gate. Because he created it to resurrect the master. to the time president the master is expendable.
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Why do folks get upset about this sort of thing?
This was a great little camp nod back to 80s TV. The old man in question was played by Barry Howard, who starred in a TV sitcom called Hi De Hi where he played a character called Barry who was just a camp as he was in Doctor Who.Now consider that Barry was in a scene with June Whitfield and Bernard Cribbins, all legends from 70s and 80s British telly, this was a nice little touch -
That seemingly endless 'John Simms impersonates Sid James' bit at the end was fucking ridiculous. Thank God RTD is pissing off at long last.No doubt we'll have to suffer the inevitable return of Billie Piper's teeth one last time before he's done, though...Dreadful. An embarrassment to Christmas Day.
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Bernard Cribbins might not be playing the same character in "Daleks' Invasion Earth: 2150 A.D." but they RTD could still use some old footage from the film and CGI in a different background to tell their own story in flashback scenes. Of course I'm probably totally wrong, but wouldn't it be cool to see some connection to the past... and what better way than showing a much younger Cribbins fighting a Dalek?
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Timothy Dalton sure spits a lot.
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that's acting, dear boy!
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I like most of RTD's episodes, in fact "Midnight" is one of my faves, but he does seem to overload them. This episode had some great moments, and the planet of Masters actually cracked me up. My DVR cut of the final 5 seconds or so, but I loved seeing the Timelords back. I think the machine will heal Donna, that Cribbins may be a Timeord and that it will be the Timords punishing tennant that kills him. The Obama bit cracked me up, the father daughter thing was creepy and I hated the green Cactus creatures. Overall, a decent setup and I think next week will also be OVERLOADED but epic.
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But this Master-race idea is doomed to fail. What fun is there in trying to rule a planet full of egomaniacal madmen exactly like you?
Who else thinks Wilfred is a Time Lord who retired and hid on Earth and missed out on the war that destroyed Gallifrey and the Time Lords?
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Geez that was bad. The Master eating everything in sight and shooting lightning out of his hands? And flying? Who comes up with this crap? (pun intended). The Master transforming everyone on Earth into duplicates? Standing alone, the episode was utter garbage, but I do understand that it is part of a 2-parter so I will reserve judgment. So far, not promising, and based on Davies previous writing I am not hopeful that Tennant's reign will end on a high note.
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I agree with those who thought the first half was weak. Too disjointed, and the Master's resurrection was handled terribly. Along with Lucy Saxon having that magic anti-Master-potion, and then something happened next but I've no idea what.But once we got past all that malarkey it did pick up greatly in the second half. John Simm was very good I thought. Naturally so was Bernard Cribbins. And the cliffhanger was ace, promising a lot more Dalton next week.Fingers crossed for a good part two.
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10m million people watched. Really happy that Dr Who is a ratings winner again over Christmas. It was highly enjoyable. IF YOU DON'T LIKE DR WHO THEN DON'T WATCH. I don't like parsnips so I don't eat them.
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I like Dr. Who.I really like Dr. Who. I thought that 'Waters Of Mars' was possibly RTD's finest moment, so for him to go from that to this nonsense was, I felt, bloody insulting.Just 'cos it's Christmas doesn't mean everything has to be a pantomime...
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Dec 27, 2009 5:40:00 PM CST
Here's hoping "TEOT Part 2" turns out like "Parting of the Ways"
by spyguy
"The Parting of the Ways," if you recall, had the annoying "Bad Wolf" episode that preceded it. So hopefully, "The End of Time Part One" is just the crap we have to endure, just like "Bad Wolf," to get to the great regeneration episode.
Oh, and cheers to BBC America for making these episodes available in the U.S. only one day after the U.K. airings. If we were still stuck with that bullshit Siffy channel, we wouldn't see them until May at least.
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reminds me of Andrew from Buffy. I thought the name Timothy Dalton looked familiar. I'm still new to Who, but this ep. was alright, it just tried cramming too much shit in it. A strict editor could have fixed this by slashing out the super powers, the two rich people, Obama (which was clearly forced), i was wondering why they were expecting him to do shit, they live in Britain. WTF, too many gimmicks, but i did like the "return", and Simms is always fun, but why the haircolor?
What I'm pissed about, probably my own fault, Donna noble only being around for ten seconds. WHen Cribbins was yelling to Donna upstairs, i wanted to yell, you're alone on the set dude, piss off. Next episode the doctor will race to her house, only to find her remains splattered on the unopened morning paper, yippie. -
From Red Dwarf. Its not going to end well. Well, We knew that already, but you know what I mean.
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The impression I got from the clip of the next episode is that they're stuck perpetually reliving the end of the Time War and their own destruction. So what's happening is they're locked away reliving their own death repeatedly. Hence what one Time Lord said and Timothy Dalton's reaction to that (which wasn't good for them). I'm guessing that by the end of the next episode, they're both released from the time lock and saved from being destroyed, hence "they're back" then.
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It's not like SyFy intentionally delayed the episodes being televised; that was the work of the BBC. At least I and countless other Comcast, DirecTV, Dish, AT&T, and Verizon customers could be watching this legally in HD if it was still on SyFy instead of that third rate krapfest channel known as BBC America who brags about getting 1.1 million viewers by combining 3 separate airings when SyFy could get 1.5 million in one airing without hardly any promotional work to it. Most of the content on SyFy sucks but at least the picture quality is awesome and doesn't look like a VHS EP video tape. They also aren't such a joke that G4 gets better ratings than them like BBCA.
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I thought they were suppose to govern the timeline.
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"For Gallifrey!!!!!!!For Victory!!!!!! For the end of time itself!!!!!"
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just saying...
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I've said this over and over in the past, and now that Dalton's actually IN the new WHO, I'll say it again: I wish he WAS the next regeneration, since that would rock the franchise like nothing else and REALLY make Tennant stepping down not only an event for him leaving, but for the new guy taking over. And you'd have certifiable star power in place.What sort of pisses me off is that when it was announced Tennant was leaving and Moffat was similarly taking over as the new showrunner, Moffat kept making a big deal in interviews that he thought the next actor to take on the role should be older and more mature -- a definite throwback to WHO of old (no pun intended). At the time, I thought "Oh fuck! Hire Timothy Dalton! He looked great in HOT FUZZ and doesn't seem to be doing much these days. I'm sure he'd be up for 13 episodes a year. After all, what they consider to be a season on the BBC isn't as long or time involved as an American counterpart. But for all the talk about wanting an older Doctor, Moffat then turned around and went younger and declared he'd found the perfect Doctor Matt Smith.I hope the next round of WHO adventures will be great, but I have to say while I thought BLINK was great, I wasn't as crazed about THE DOCTOR DANCES or GIRL IN THE FIREPLACE. In fact, I thought those were kind of lame. So we'll just have to see how good Moffat is when he's controlling an entire season versus being focused on writing just a particular script.But Dalton looked great in this and in the previews for the second half. I STILL would geek out if he had been the new Doctor since he really would've been perfect. On the flip side, I have to say -- based on the stills I've seen so far -- Matt Smith looks like runny ass. So I sure hope he acts and looks better "in motion" in an actual episode than he does in any of the publicity stills released to date. Which actually makes me a bit worried since you'd think those would traditionally be the shots where the production company be extra, extra careful about making sure he looks good...
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Haven't seen his work and I'm not crazy about his age but my bone of contention is with that wretched costume of his. Yuck. Give him a jacket like Tennant's and cast away the bow tie because only tools wear a bow tie without a tux.
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Remember how the Master was resurrected by the Time Lords to fight in the Time War, but he fucked off? I reckon they knew that would happen and "hid" their essence, or Katra, or whatever, inside him to ensure their survival using the chameleon arch/fob watch method - in this case, that ring was the Macguffin. The drumming he hears in his head is the heartbeat of the Time Lords. His resurrection in some way has also brought them back.
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for all the whining about Russell T davies, tennants final dr who will go out on ratings high. it will be RTd´s way of saying to Moffat follow that. Ever since i saw Matt Smith on that infamous Dr who Confidential, my thinking was and is it was a very short list. here is how i think he bagged the part. At the cannes film festival this year, he featured in a film called 15 mins. no one could keep their eyes off him. after the screening they talked of little else. ie his performance was electrifying. His audition must have been something really great. Moffat Said that after he entered the room and gave his audition. their mind was made up. this is a huge risk. for moffat, for smith and the BBC. analog gets switched off in 2012 anyway.
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will have a different take on the character of dr who. if you look on the this series as whole, Davies has been the action guy and Moffat has been the drama guy. so I think this will be a more dramatic less action orientated dr who. there has been no word as yet on the stories. for the next series, so those who are nervous should wait untill we get a look at what kind of stories moffat tells.
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has starred in the following....the Street by Jimmy McGovern, Secret Diary of Call Girl, Moses Jones ? never heard of it or seen it, party animals. So he has worked with Billie piper. Clearly he is an actor on the rise. where as dr who has been used by more established stars in the past. Christopher Eccleston is the only actor who has had his career destroyed by dr who.
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I really don't understand the people who say " It's incomprehensible! ". I thought a year ago how's RTD going to top his previous series end shows? Well the only main old element he hadn't brought back from the old DW was the Time lords themselves. I never bought the idea that they were gone forever. And now that it's the end for RTD and Tennant it just makes sense. I think it's great they're back. The Doctor has suffered with this " I'm alone " stuff long enough. It made it interesting at first but now it's time to change ( especially with Moffit taking over ). Also they can be the worst enemy of all since they sometimes do things without the consideration of lesser races. I really liked this episode. Also I'm a big fan of Timothy Dalton. I only hope they keep the Time Lords around when this is all over and they make a fitting end to the RTD / David Tennant era. But really guys RTD is reponsible for some of the best Who stuff ever. And he successfully brought it back from oblivion. We ( if you're a Who fan ) owe him a lot!
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I'm no RTD fan. I definitely prefer the non-RTD episodes ("Blink," "Dalek," "Human Nature" to name a few), as his scripts always feel far too melodramatic for me and the science (pseudo and otherwise) is just plain awful. However, fans need to look at the big picture: "Doctor Who" has had prior stretches of dire writing and bad ideas (Personally, except for a few stories, the Colin Baker - Sylvester McCoy period had numerous clunkers). There have been past producers who have gained the ire of fans (Graham Williams, anyone?). The show will survive, and change, and evolve, and probably devolve again at some later point. The concept is that versatile. So, while RTD seems to have a very Hollywood comic book vision of what Doctor Who should be, don't worry, it's only one era of the show, and will soon disappear from our screens just as Colin Baker's ghastly frock coat did many moons ago.
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What a treat to see her and Dalton in this episode! The old series never had stuff like this! I can't wait for the last part. As I said before even if you don't like RTD's writting ( I personally find it a mixed bag ) he is responsible for bringing back Who in a form that'll last after it was in limbo for so many years. We owe him a lot for that! That in itself is genius. So praise where praise is due.
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" Writing "!
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called that face. which has won all sorts of awards in the uk.
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He is an upcoming actor. When David Tennant took over he was an actor on the up as well. Dr Who has made his career. I have a good feeling about Matt Smith. He was brilliant in Party Animals and Moses Jones. These roles showed that he has range. I also think that he has been nominated or even won a perrier award for his theatre work. I have high hopes for the new series. Stephen Moffatt is a genius.
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I'm home right now on vacation and Siffy is currently airing a marathon of THE SARAH JANE ADVENTURES Series One. All well and good, but even on their HD channel, the idiots are airing it shrunken down to a crappy regular cable TV ratio. And earlier today SyFy was kind enough to broadcast "Utopia," part one of the Master trilogy from 2007. So what was the next episode they aired? Not "The Sound of Drums" but "Smith and Jones," the first episode from 2007.
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...but the rest of the episode was "meh." Davies isn't going to give Tennant the send-off he deserves, just more of his pastiche-y, derivative (Being John Malkovich & Revenge of the Sith, anyone?) cheese. Bernard Cribbins and Tennant are great together, though, and it was wonderful (and sad!) to see Donna, but the rest - ehh.
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Smith says that he loves intense, dark material. he wowed the cannes crowd in 15 mins.
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its called together. its a short film. very intense. Smith likes that kind of work.
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They got Dalton by reversing up a truck full of money to his front door and telling him to help himself. £150K for the appearance (about $240K) according to UK gossip sites.
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The show was off the air on the BBC for over a decade, so they used his episodes as a gateway into the show's 40+ year mythology, slowly bringing people up to speed. Once you have caught up to Tennet's final ep, go back and watch the first ep from 1963.Then some of Troughton eps to get a flavor of him, and I think this era is where they introduced The Master. Then skip to "The 3 Doctors" from around 1971. It had the first 3 actors together in a reunion show. Quite fun.Dr. #3 Jon Pertwee's Sarah Jane Smith eps, then the hand over to Tom Baker.From Baker, check out Pyramids of Mars", it's where Dean Devlin stole the idea for "Stargate." Also "Genesis of the Daleks", where we first meet the Dalek creator. Sarah Jane's last ep and the next one introducing Leela. BTW, Leela is who Matt Groening got the name for the character in "Futurama". She's not a cyclos, but a brunette in Nova's animal skin outfit from "Planet of the Apes." Helped a lot of boys through puberty back in the day. From the Leela era, watch "Talons of Weng-Chang" (sp?), then skip to her last 4-6 eps, which are set on Galifrey. This is where the Bros. W stole the idea for "The Matrix." I shit you not!From the Key to Time year with Mary Tamm as Romana, just the first and last stories, then Romana #2's first ep and "City of Death", which is set in Paris, was written by Douglas Adamas and has Julian Glover as the villian (he of "Last Crusade", "For Your Eyes Only", and "Empire Stikes Back.")Baker's final few eps reintroduce The Master and set up Baker's regeneration into The Fifth Doctor Peter Davison.During Peter's era they did anoother reunion show "The 5 Doctors." That's a must-see. Then Peter's change into the Sixth Doctor just for Peri. From the Sixth Doctor watch the long arc "Trial of a Time Lord." Any 2 or three of the Seventh are fine for a flavor.That gets you to Paul McGann's US movie from 1996.It's a lot I know, but it's worth it. Have fun.------later-----m
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I agree that it would have been cool to see Pegg play the next Doctor, however, 1. Pegg's been on a previous ep in season 1 and 2. Pegg looks alot like John Simm. (And of course Pegg's making millions with the Star Trek franchise....)
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You forgot to mention that the final story in the Key to Time sequence was where Whedon got the idea to make Dawn the Key.
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I mean, I loved SHAUN as much as any zombie fanatic, but SPACED was just a bunch of middle-class-thinking-we're-working-class-slumming-it-in-Crounch-End painfully obvious pastiching unfunny derivative shite. HOT FUZZ was an interesting experiment, but not a patch on SHAUN, and since then has Simon Pegg ever played anyone except himself in anything he's done? HOW TO LOSE FRIENDS was basically Shaun as the PA from Hell; The Editor in THE LONG GAME was basically evil Shaun; and his Scotty was just painful to watch, easily the worst thing in STAR TREK - including the all-over-the-place crappy Scottish accent. From what I hear, Shaun was basically Tim Bisley in a zom-rom-com, so isn't Simon Pegg just playing himself in everything he does?
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I watched it at a house full of excited kids running around with the volume very low, so I can't really comment at all. But what I DID see reminded me of FLASH GORDON (the ring), IRON MAN (the hand repulsor ray stuff with The Master), RETURN OF THE JEDI (The Master using Force Lightning), MATRIX REVOLUTIONS (The Master as Agent Smith) and THE PHANTOM MENACE (that last excellent shot of the Time Lords returning).
WHY THE FUCK CAN RTD NOT WRITE AN ORIGINAL PIECE OF DOCTOR WHO GREATNESS??!??
This story just further confirms and cements the fact that RTD can't write decent sci-fi to save his fucking life. He just seems to go through his SF blockbuster DVD shelf, put a load of them on at random, rip off their most interesting concepts and pass them off as Doctor Who episodes. It's embarrassing, it's amateur and it's a crying fucking shame that this pile of tepid shit is the best he could do for David Tennant's swansong. It's like asking Uwe Boll to direct the next Bond movie. Fucking embarrassing to all concerned.
And to those of you uncritical enough to actually think that was acceptable, even enjoyable, TV - you are contributing to the demise of one of the greatest SF shows ever produced on British TV, by allowing this pile of shite to be the acceptable benchmark by which we should measure SF in this country these days. It's embarrassing. It's Godawful. And it can't finish quickly enough.
David Tennant - I am so, so sorry for what they've done to you. I'll always remember you in BLINK and HUMAN NATURE / FAMILY OF BLOOD, and pretend that the RTD episodes just never happened. Yes, even MIDNIGHT.... -
Yes, but was it better than the original??
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Currently the face of 'acceptable' British TV pretty much involves singing/dancing/ice skating or whatever. I'm happy for anything on the box that doesn't involve Simon Cowell or telephone voting.
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I'm half way through the first part of the new one, and so far its better than I had anticipated.
For me the original is a benchmark in TV, I saw it as a kid and it scared the hell out of me.I watched it a few years ago, and it didn't have anywhere near the same impact. For the most part this time round I found it quite dull and nowhere near as scary or powerful as I remembered it. This probably says more about me than it does about the show, but hey.So far new Triffids isn't scary at all and is pretty implausible but it has a good pace, and is hopefully building up to something tomorrow night. -
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45 minutes of plot, a deus-ex machina and 10 minutes of slow motion shots of David Tennant before 2 seconds of that teenager who is the new doctor.
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Thanks for the well-thought out suggestions. I have netflixed Season 1 of the 'newWho' which I think stars Eccleson. Please correct me if I'm wrong. I'll try to follow your trail, but some of your suggestions are without titles and it'll be a bit dicey. If you would like, please email me at SamSchott(at)bellsouth(dot)net and we can discuss this more. Search my name at YouTube and there are two videos of mine that you'll have fun with. (The five year old Sam Schott is someone else. But check his video out- he's pretty darn good with a crayon.) Also thanks to fieldingm for your addendum to MGTHEDJ. I've cut n pasted both posts to my Dr. Who list.
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Peter Davison's final story is called The Caves of Androzani. It's an absolute corker and much more violent than anything we see in New Who.
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I seem to remember you being rather up in arms over this after Waters Of Mars! :-p
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Yeah I said it, we were all thinking it.
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Thanks for saying everything that needed saying on both subjects. And Spud, you're spot on about Pegg, too. Even his love for 2000AD didn't save his audiobook version of Johnny Alpha from coming across as smug and annoying.Him and that prick Gervais - I just don't get the love and adoration. At all...
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'Caves of Androzani' was indeed Dr. Who gold. I still feel that Peter Davison was the best Who, though that may have had more to do with my pubescent lust for Tegan.And before someone else says it - yes, Peri was 'hotter', but fucking hell, did she whine!
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I thought it was a complete mess. RTD's storytelling technique seems to be, just keep throwing random ideas at the screen and hope the viewer can somehow join them together into a coherent plot. Did it make sense to anyone? The only thing that could possibly be worse than this garbage is if Billie Piper makes yet another guest appearance as the companion that wouldn't die, Rose Tyler. And they made The Master into a hoodie? That's it, I'm done...
Also, in every talkback I've ever read, I've agreed with everything Spud McSpud has written. You are a genius sir!
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...well what did you expect ? I go back to my RTD and JNT (previous who producer) comparisons... The guy over stayed his welcome and should have gone after the first series particularly as he couldn't keep Eccleston for more than one season. We've seen it all before... a big fat meh.
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Watching it on Christmas day was a real disappointment, but I saw it again yesterday and enjoyed it a lot more.
The reviewer who said John Simm was acting like Ledger's Joker, not sure I agree about that, The Master seems pretty much the same as he did way back in series 3. Just hungrier! -
It definitely felt like an RTD two-parter, which could be good or bad. I enjoyed it as such -- and I loved the cliffhanger -- but sometimes RTD writes himself into corners that he can't get out of, so we end up with endings like Last of the Time Lords or Doomsday.
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it will be pushed four times in part two (at least)...so says the prophesy.
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(That's not saying a great deal, but I really enjoyed this one)
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Thanks for that last post. I added it to the file. BTW, have you seen Avatar in 3D yet? I had a great time - the visual experience is a step beyond what's been in theatres before. I had no problem with the storyline having pulled from various themes ideas of other movies before it. It was done well. Besides, nobody griped that the first Star Wars was basically The Seven Samurai. And that was an overall singular rip. Avatar combined a number of devices/plotlines/themes from a wide variety of sources in a new way with new maguffins, plus adding the amazing motion capture/CGI/3D visuals. I'm definitely going back to see it again while it is still in 3D theatrical presentation. And when the IMAX 3D gets here, I'll go to that as well and have a great time.
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I spent some time on IMDB to get you actual titles. Enjoy-----m
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SyFy doesn't have a separate HD channel that airs only HD content. Hence why the image is distorted when they air The Sarah Jane Adventures since it wasn't even recorded in HD because the BBC is too fucking cheap. I'll take that over having to watch the new Doctor Who episodes - or Torchwood - on shitehole BBC America in crummy standard def - even though they were recorded in HD - because nobody can get BBC America in HD because it exists in a parallel universe. And no, I don't work for SyFy but at least I have brains enough to know that the program should air on the channel with the largest potential audience base and that's not on BBC America. Since you refer to SyFy as "Sciffy" I'm going to refer to BBC America as BM America because I'm quite sure I've seen bowel movements with better picture quality than what I see on BBC America Standard Definition Channel.
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Pertwee's (3rd Doctor) "Day of the Daleks" is the source material that "12 Monkeys" lifted from even though Gilliam claims he lifted from some stupid 15 minute French art house film. The problem is that Gilliam didn't understand the point of the episode which is that the time travelers from the future can alter the past [and create time loops/paradoxes]. As for the Hack-o-skis and their trilogy of theft known as "The Matrix", they didn't steal it from some obscure crazy black lady with a few dismissed lawsuits. No, they stole it from the 1976 story "The Deadly Assassin" where The 4th Doctor heads back to Gallifrey to prevent the Lord President's assassination and later has to battle the villain in the cyberspace contained within the Time Lord's computer system that encompasses all of their accumulated knowledge [and the consciousnesses of all dead Time Lords]. That computer is called, yep, you guessed it, THE MATRIX! I shit you not.
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Star Wars was not based on Seven Samurai. It was based in The Hidden Fortress. Christ, get your Kurosawa facts right.
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Eep! I sit corrected. Got in a hurry and couldn't remember how to spell Kurosawa.
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MGTHEDJ: Thanks! I'll check it out as soon as I get off work. Heading in now...
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This is the best review Ever By My Mate... Enjoy Who-vians!
I'm at work. I'm bored. Really bored. Really, really, really bored. So what do i do? I fucking watched The End of Time. And then wrote comments about it. Please feel free to ignore.
•John Nettles is narrating this?
•Hahahahahahahahahaha remote car key. That’s comedy gold.
•Oh I’m in no rush? Oh. Oh. I see. He’s scared. That’s characterisation and acting right there people.
•A cave? A group in a circle surrounding a fire? Candles everywhere? This is serious business.
•Brian Cox will do anything for a couple of quid.
•Holy fuck its Hera.
•Portentous woman who adds nothing to the plot except meaningless drivel. This IS serious. And she maybe the Doctor’s mother according to rumour. I love soaps. I wonder if she’s been living as a crack whore in Huddersfield all these years. That’s drama and pathos right there buddy.
•Is that the Master in the back of the church with his face hidden mysteriously by his mysterious hood? Mysteriously. Nope.
•So the Master’s ring was secreted away by a nobody. Cool.
•The Master is resurrected by his harem of ugly using magic. Okay.
•The missus has her own team of a fat chick (who might die) and they have a way of killing him or at the very least giving him a silly bleach job. This is awesome.
•Oh my. A sexy trophy bride . . . . what?! Father and daughter? Tell me more.
•I think something’s going on with those two sciencey types but I can’t be sure. This show is so opaque it’s often hard to tell what is really going on in the story.
•Who the hell are these people and how boring are their lives that sitting in front of a mess of machines sparking is entertainment for them . . . . oh . . . . something bad is going to happen right here. I get it.
•5 minutes of screen time for a couple of nobodies who have no impact on the plot and aren’t important enough for the viewer to even begin to care about. Bold. That is bold story telling right there.
•Ah. You see there was a point to so much time being wasted on them. The Master killed them. Now we feel the true horror of his madness and the true immensity of his evil.
•You know how he’s mad? He talks about eating in a mad rush of babbling while spitting everywhere and gurning. Now that is an acting tour de force. Fuck you Davey-boy Simmer-boy has the juice!
•Whoa. The Master has super powers and a glowing skull. Fantastic. Why did Ecclestone leave again?
•Cool. Timelords can literally smell each other. Are they like dogs then? Do they sniff each other’s arses instead of shaking hands when they meet up?
•Right. The Master bangs a can to draw the Doctor to him. And then runs away. Chase me Doc, chase me *giggle*.
•So June Whitfield is a bit of a cougar? Sex her up Docco, sex her up now you dirty old so and so you. You like a bit of room don’t you!!
•It’s like dying. Oh poor me. Weepy, weepy, weepy. So we’ve been wrong all of these years thinking that each Doctor was the same man just different? When he regenerates he actually dies and is replaced by someone else who has his memories and uses his name? That’s actually a really interesting idea. Think of the dramatic and thematic possibilities of this revelation and how it affects our understanding of the base concept of who the Doctor is as a character. I wonder if they’ll explore this new revelation further.
•Except it’s now been established that he doesn’t have to regenerate if he doesn’t want to. All he has to do is carry a bag filled with some of his hair and his nail-clippings and then simply zaps the energy into that when he gets it. It’s his DNA. Job done. You don’t have to regenerate after all Davey-boy.
•Ooo. Is Wilf important somehow? Docco wants to know. He keeps finding the Docco, he can remember the dreams while no one else on earth can and maybe-mother keeps coming to him. Could Wilffy-boy be a Timelord in hiding perhaps? I mean that would be one way of saving Donna when she inevitably starts remembering stuff. He gets his clock juju back and his daughter and granddaughter are retroactively transformed into Time twats as a result. You’re welcome.
•Whoa!!!! It’s not John Nettles after all. It’s Prince Barin. Why’s he standing in the dark talking to himself? Is he talking to himself? He seems to be talking to us the viewer but again, opaque.
•So Blondie is a Sith and knocks Docco down with some Force Lightening and starts babbling about food again. And the drums.
•Holy fuck they’re going to kiss . . . . no . . . . false alarm. Don’t want to start taking chances now do we. Nosirreebob.
•Oh my. The drumbeat isn’t his madness, something’s inside him. Fly my pretty fly.
•The creepy father and daughter have kidnapped blondie. This can’t be good . . . wait . . . . the sciency types were crap aliens all along. Holy mamma macita batman.
•Maybe-mother blathers on about Wilfy being a true soldier but never having killed anybody. What the hell kind of a soldier was he? Oh he’s going to have to kill someone though. That’s cool. Burn your soul Wilfy, burn it like a fucking dog!!!!!!!!!!
•Docco and Wilfy, the new Lethal Weapon team. One of them’s getting too old for this shit, I know I sure as fuck am.
•So the crap aliens are related in some way to the crap alien midget from the craptacular Voyage of the Boring and there’s a bit of racism there between the species perhaps. Probably not. That would be a bit predictable wouldn’t it?
•They let Blondie fix the machine? Are these people retarded? They know he’s an evil, alien genius who’s a bit mental (he keeps babbling about food and has terrible table manners) but they’re not too worried about letting him get his paws all over a machine that they’ve dubbed the Immortality device (patent pending)?! These humans are crazy.
•Blondie uses the machine before Docco can stop him. I wonder if this means the cliffhanger is coming.
•Hang on. Every man woman and child has now been transformed into the Master? How many millions of chicas were on the blob when that change occurred and had tampons shoved up them? Are the tampons still there? How many women were giving birth at the time? Must be a few millions right? Having said that, he does have a nice pair of legs.
•Wait. Neville Sinclair was a Timelord all along and they are the bad guys? This has suddenly got dangerously close to being interesting. Surely there is no way to fuck that up in the last seconds of . . . wait . . . .
•Fuck imagination and creativity. Lets just have the main bad guy make a speech to a huge chamber of his people/underlings like we’ve done at the end of nearly every other finale and have them all cheer him. Originality is for losers’ kids.
•Who’s the bint on the floor in front of him? Is that maybe-mother? Do I even give a shit at this point?
•Do you know what the worst thing is? I’m working on Friday night and will inevitably ignore my brain and will sit and watch the second part. Although I do want to see how they explain why he ends up choosing to regenerate instead of channelling the energy into his cum stains. It’s got his DNA right?
•If you’re still reading this garbage, then I’d like to reward you with a little bit of trivia. In The Two Doctors, the same geezer who played Ferraby in The Cruel Sea, which also featured Barry Letts in a supporting role, played the character of Shockeye. -
Fancy mistaking John Nettles for Timothy Dalton.
And while there are similarities, between the concept of The Matrix as done by the Warchowski's and that part of the Gallifreyan Amplified Panatropic Computer Network which is called "The Matrix", there is absolutely NO reason to think 12 Monkeys was plagiarising "Day of the Daleks".
Take a look at "La Jette" sometime. It's much closer to 12 Monkeys, and Gilliam admits it was the inspiration. Only a rabid Doctor Who fan with a very very limited frame of reference could see the dystopian future of 12 Monkeys and think "Day of the Daleks!" -
That review was funny!!
By the way, anyone read the review of part one over at Blogtor Who?
Apparently people complaining about The Master suddenly being Sith/Spidey/Raiden etc need to fuck off & watch something else as Doctor Who is all about change.
Dunno, was hard to understand as the review was typed while he was spanking it to a pic of RTD.
Twat.
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LOL ........ so geeky it hurts.
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In all of geekdom, there are none so blind as the RTD apologist who can take ZERO criticism of their demigod Russell T (for Talentless) Davies. They will listen to NOTHING, only their own insanity as they ceaselessly hold this plagiaristic hack up as the saviour of modern SF for the BBC. I just smile, rewatch my Nigel Kneale Quatermass collection and remember how great British SF USED to be...
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Gilliam should have had to pay for the rights to that story. He didn't just 'lift' the plot, he copied it wholesale.
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the only story in star wars left to tell. He was the puppet master. how he got to be the puppetmaster, now there is a story.
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then we can look forward to the story of how the puppetmasters puppetmaster got to be the puppetmaster
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The exception to what you say is the limitless potential of what happens AFTER "Episode 6" instead of only going backwards into the 'history.' And even that would stink if Lucas wrote the dialogue. He can't seem to write believeable conversation, making even excellent actors sound stilted/staged. He even manages to ruin the great effects sequences by having battle 'droids say "uh-oh," and other dumbed-down stupidities.
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Just so you know, I also wish for more Star Wars. As long as it is done well. And I haven't seen that for decades.
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Lucas dooesn't give a shit about making a halfway decent STAR WARS movie. He's as much as admitted that he viewed the prequels as dry runs for new SFX equipment he and ILM had created, and has since said (and I'm paraphrasing) that he feels that dialogue and plot are not important elements in film - it's a visual medium, so the visuals are the most important thing. I actually think his gragantuan ego can't handle the fact that in EMPIRE and JEDI the dialogue was better when plished by other, better writers, so he just kept mangling it himself. He got someone in to co-write CLONES - but it still didn't help. The only way Lucas will EVER get STAR WARS to be great again would be to storyline it, then leave everything - casting, direction, writing - to someone else, and just approve it as it goes, with no rewrites by himself. But this will never, ever happen.
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No one lifted or stole the idea, they paid for it. It was an offical remake/update. The orgianl is creditied and menitoned in the promotion of the film at the time of it's release.
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You're not yourself. You didn't say a word. Are you alright, mate?
Hope you had a great Christmas, have a Happy New Year, and aren't too crushed by the spectacular meh-ness of END OF TIME PT 1. I'm hoping PT 2 is much, much better... -
I think that RTD is going to give one final F U to the fans....
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To you and your family, I got my comments in early this year and look above, I wasn't impressed either.
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No worries... I'm not holding my breath. Seems like the only way that better SW will happen is the same way better ST happened. The creator will have to pass away and eventually the inheritors of the rights will (hopefully) entrust a project to people with talent and vision. I never expected Star Trek to get its balls back, especially after the neutering it got in TNG. (and subsequent uneven series) Best surprise of 2009.
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Jan 01, 2010 10:20:51 AM CST
Spud McSpud.....................................................
by axcel1
Merry Christmas and A very Happy New Year to you!!!!!!!!!!!!! And, to everyone, of course!!!!!!!!!! And, that's all I have to say until "The End Of Time Part Two" is played in roughly seven hours!!!!!!!!!!!
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the question is what can we expect from the moffat era. well... this provides some clues. Each episode will be diffirent from the last giving the new series more anthological feel. the smith era will have a more Darker fairytale style. and here is something which is going to get up the noses of a lot of people. As and from 2010 the smith era dr who will be known as series one and not series 5. even though there have been 4 series with david tennant and one with Christopher Eccleston. Since 2005. It gives moffat a clean slate. and a chance to start over.
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I hope THE END OF TIME PT 2 is better than PT1. And I hope to enjoy it... I know YOU will!!!
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You're right - I tend to just scan previous comments, and I totally missed yours. What RTD did to the Master is just fucking ridiculous - I mean, he's basically every Marvel superhero wrapped up in one, and he has his most hated enemy - the Doctor - in front of him, so does he kill him? Hell no! He taunts him and eats homeless people instead!!
This was such a godawful episode, even the RTD fans are hating it. I'm glad you noticed the guy with his face covered - I also thought that was Matt Smith, snuck in there for fun! I wouldn't put that past RTD, given that everything and the kitchen sink seem to be in there right now...
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www.japander.com and wont say anymore except check the commercials by the governator and Nic cage. especially Nic cage.
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...Rondo Hatton?! WTF?
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Jan 01, 2010 1:56:48 PM CST
Ooooh. 2nd part was much better!!!
by isleptwithkathybatesandallthatigotwasthi
Thanks BBC iPlayer!
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Well I thought the second part was much better, still oddly paced, the finale was tension free but still nice, though nice wasn't what I was expecting from it. Why oh why did he jump from a spaceship instead of landing it? he spent the next 10 minutes unable to stand and I thought that odd. Loved seeing him revisit everyone though again I was expecting more interaction, still the new guy stole the show the second he appeared, unexpected.
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Still didn't make much sense to me. Something about a diamond? Yeah the timelords are BACK! Oh they've gone again. Stupid Wilf. Traditional RTD, 20 minutes of hysterical farewells. There's the inevitable gay scene. And there she is... you know who I mean. Best bit was the last two minutes with the first glimpse of Matt Smith. He might be alright after all.
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Jan 01, 2010 2:18:19 PM CST
Yeah, the new Doctor could be okay
by isleptwithkathybatesandallthatigotwasthi
It was only a minute or two but this could work.... despite all my previous reservations. Have to wait until spring!
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The man who defied Spielberg just so he could oversee Doctor Who....He shalt save us!
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The BBC has released a trailer for the next season...
Lets just say some fimiliar faces return in the Spring....
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..that the knock four times was Wilfred knocking on the glass rather than some uber bad guy.What happened to The Master though? Did he get taken away with The Timelords? I'm a bit disappointed about that actually. I wanted Gallifrey to come back for good!
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Only saw Part 1 this afternoon on repeat, and although it wasn't brilliant, it was still entertaining.
Part 2 was a different kettle of fish!! Odd in pace (but it needed it, it threw me a bit at times), the conclusion was awesome, then (and without giving any spoilers) the last 15 minutes of farewells was neat (and nice to catch-up upon a certain character who left Earth last summer, having saved the children of Earth - but why were they in the Mos Eisley cantina?).
Oh, and if Matt Smith's entrance is anything to go by with regards to the new series, it is going to ROCK!! Small thing, but I loved the fact that in the midst of his first words, babbling like a nutter whilst surrounded by mayhem, a guitar-riff was thundering in the background!! Doctor Who goes Rock'n'Roll! -
Jan 01, 2010 2:29:55 PM CST
Thanks for the trailer info S0l!
by isleptwithkathybatesandallthatigotwasthi
Looks "Geronimo" is the Doctor's new catchphrase judging by that trailer!
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The first episode of this two-parter had its execrable moments, but I let them off because I thought they were setting up a classic finale. WRONG!
The payoff was an hour of meaningless techno-babble followed by 20 minutes of cameo appearances by everyone the Doctor had ever met.
The 'plot' was incomprehensible, the return of the Time Lords wasted (Timothy Dalton must be desperate for work to accept his role) and the reveal of the new Doctor showed him to be a poor substitute for his predecessor.
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Jan 01, 2010 2:39:11 PM CST
Doctor Who 2010 trailer: http://tiny.cc/Y6TmG
by isleptwithkathybatesandallthatigotwasthi
I wonder why they didn't show it after the episode?
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Anyone have a link to this show yet?
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Try: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00pk7ls
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Is there any way to make the BBC iPlayer work outside the UK on a Mac? And thanks for the link but I just got a 404 message when I clicked on it.
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What a waste of Timothy Dalton. I've been watching Doctor Who over 30 years now and I still didn't really understand what he was going on about.
The story itself was a mess, and actually managed to have two deus ex machinas within minutes of each other. This was RTD at his most soppy and self-indulgent. I think they managed to have more endings than Return of the King, sadly all of them were crap except perhaps Donna's wedding. Bernard Cribbins was about the only good thing in this story.
Matt Smith seemed to just be playing David Tennant's incarnation again. I was hoping a change of producer would bring about an end to the Jim Carrey antics, but if anything Matt Smith was doing even more of them. And he was doing a lot of punching and shooting guns in the trailer. Seems a bit violent for the Doctor to me...
Finally, what is wrong with Billie Piper's face? It looks like she's had plastic surgery or botox. I knew RTD couldn't manage to go a whole story without mentioning the bloody character but he also found a way to include her in the story, despite it having no meaning whatsoever. Certainly doesn't top The Caves of Androzani. Perhaps they should have got Graeme Harper to direct? -
(So far, obviously)
Bah. All resolved rather simply, waste of an interesting set-up. After 4 series & 4 specials the Timelords retur... oh. They've gone again.
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...he's going to be about as popular as Sylvester McCoy.
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at the first emergence of Mr Smith's face. The spring trailer was ok though. I wish him well!
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McCoy was the MAN! His time included fighting Bertie Bassett (not even RTD would have the sack to write THAT level of insanity into his scripts) and the enjoyable SURVIVAL, but it also featured the first Dalek going up a staircase. Yes, even before Eccleston's reign. Given decent scriptwriting, McCoy would have been great - would love to see Moffat write him a one-off special. And I don'r care what ANYONE says, Ace was one of the best companions ever. Hope Moff does for Sophie Aldred what RTD did for Lis Sladen.
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Early thoughts: what exactly was the point of bringing Donna back (except RTD simply LOVES Catherine Tate)? And the Time Lords as well for that matter, for all the impact they made. Absol no explanation of the female timelord, was it Romana? WTF? As per RTD too much dumb stuff if he is such a fan, how come he thinks the Doc is this sentimental, backward looking pratt, afraid of regeneration? Ah well, roll on the Moff ps Smith face seems to go fugly to hot and back...weird??
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I'm dying to be disappointed
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He was my first Doctor and I agree that Ace was....well, ace! "Rememberance Of The Daleks" continues to be one of my favouritest Doctor Who's ever.
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Moffat's a great writer but that fucking gimp Matt Smith is really off putting. One of the reasons that I hated classic Who were the fucking creeps they had like Simon Baker and Jon Pertwee. I'm not expecting them to hire a model but when does "character actor" mean fuck ugly? Were there really no promising actors in their mid-twenties that didn't look like one of Herbert West's experiments?
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What's TehCreepyThinMan talking about? I don't understand.
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They were really cartoonish to me. I liked the somber, kinda creepy Tom Baker episodes. Pertwee was pretty good and I really liked #5 too. I thought Colin Baker might have gotten much better if they'd hung on to him and I really, really liked McGann as #8. I'd love to see some kind of flashback episode with the #8-#9 regeneration.
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Plotwise this was utter shit but it was enjoyable hokum nonetheless if you can ignore the blatant holes in the plot.
The time lords are time locked, nothing can get in or out, except a diamond thrown into a hologram travelling down a path of drumming that already existed in someones head, allowing him to turn the healing machine into a gateway that lets them... i mean ffs, thats just terrible writing to quickly tie everything up.Still, Wilf was brilliant as usual, and it was worth watching just for their scenes together, and the realisation behind the 4 knocks prophecy. The ending was a nice touch, and went on for bloody ages. Matt Smith reminded me of DTs first appearance, hopefully he will be good, and have soe well written plots -
I've been watching DW since the 80's. Now I haven't seen part 2 yet but the Doctor I know has ALWAYS been scared of regeneration. This one just expressed it more. I really liked his discussion about it! I mean he gets reborn but it's basically someone else with his memories. How the hell would you feel? As for the rest about part 2 I'll have to view it first before I pass judgement on the rest of what's being said here. I did see the 2010 trailer on youtube and I think it looks fantastic!
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Jan 01, 2010 4:09:34 PM CST
Wooooooooooooooooooo, Spud McSpud...............................
by axcel1
I think we may be the only Who fans who thought the team of Sylvester McCoy's Doctor and Sophie Aldred's Ace was, well, Acessssssssss!!!!!!!!!!!
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And she was teh hotness back in the day. Let's face it, circa 1989, we ALL wanted a bit of Sophie Aldred. Hell, she could even bring the bat.
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Lloytron nailed it plot-wise. There's a psychic link to the Master from Gallifrey, put there by the Lord President since before the Time War got time-locked, and you can throw a diamond down it, and somehow a machine that can regenerate living cells can use a dead diamond (actually a white-point star, probably a living fucking Gallifreyan diamond according to RTD, who makes shit up on the spot) thrown into a projection of Earth (anyone else think of the plaaning-the-attack-on-Endor in RETURN OF THE JEDI when they saw that? No? Just me then...) can enable said Immortality Gate to bring a whole fucking PLANET out of a time-locked Time War and into existence - then shooting this fucking machine actually reverses it all... FUCK!!! My suspension of disbelief just shattered into a thousand pieces. So I like my technobabble to actually make sense - SO FUCKING WHAT?? And this nonsensical plot disease is spreading - or did RTD write that red matter bollocks for JJ Abrams and his not-Star-Trek-it's-actually-Star-Wars-with-different-ships STAR TREK??
Fucking nonsensical. But I loved the episode for two reasons, and two only - DAVID TENNANT AND BERNARD CRIBBINS. They are just glorious in this episode.
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What's wrong with an ugly Doctor? He's a fucking alien, not an underwear model! He's from GALLIFREY, not fucking Planet Abercrombie & Fitch! FUCK all this he's-got-to-be-good-looking noise! Jon Pertwee looked like a Victorian dandy fucking scarecrow, for fuck's sake! Christopher Eccleston looks like a Toby Jug (Google it)! And Sylvester McCoy looked like a hobo! Paul McGann was only sexy if you are a fat Goth with fifteen kittens! William Hartnell looked like your Grandad! Patrick Troughton looked like a crazed Evangelical with a doomsday board on his chest! Tom Baker was the creepiest village idiot EVER! Peter Davison was a fucking middle-class cricket-playing boring-as-fuck tea-drinking twat! Colin Baker could have been the next Uncle Monty!
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His face, mainly.
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i didn't completely watch it due to fatigue. what i did see seemed to gloss over some things, but i'll need to rewatch to be sure. what did mrs. saxon's counterplot do to the master? did her potion have any effect? was it that simple? the master blasted the president, et. al. back through the portal? and...went with them...? would have been nice to see some heartbreak from him over their callousness at having made him crazy and tossed him aside.
the coda was a lovely and surprising farewell. encouraging jack for once, having a last look at pre-rose tyler, micky and martha (?), and the descendant of john smith's sweetheart. um, does dw know that "geronimo" is an american expression?
best moment, hands down: the doctor finally hearing the four knocks heralding his end. that was supremely well done. (the funny thing is...he didn't have to knock. he could have simply spoken through the glass.)
billie piper looks the way she does because she's of an age to have finally lost her baby fat. it's a fine layer of fat that everyone has under their skin into their mid-20s. it lends a softness to the features no matter how thin or sharp. look at cindy crawford at age 20 and age 27. billie has crossed that line.
thank you david tennant! i knew at the end of that first movie, when you picked your first outfit, that you were going to be a fantastic doctor. the tight pinstriped suit, the long coat and the classic sneakers told me you were an old school dw who got not just the whimsy on the page and screen but also in the hearts and minds of classic fans. you have raised the bar, taking dw to a whole new level, and making him a character for the ages. your tenure has been an embarassment of riches in genre television. we could not have asked for more.
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having watched part 2, i could've done without the lengthy bits with the crazy master. what a waste of time. echoing what most have said, the plot was a mess but the character moments were touching. it was good to see tennant exhibit his range as an actor. i was beginning to associate him with over-the-top acting...speaking of ott,matt smith's intro reminded me of tennant's. not a good start ... but i have infinite faith in Steven Moffat. his doctor who scripts have been exceptional. that's what Who has been missing all year ... some Moffat scripts to mix it up with the RTD ones here's to the future ...!
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Jan 03, 2010 6:30:22 PM CST
I welcome the uglyDoctor! And Martha and Micky???
by hollywoodhellraiser
I will cut the new guy a break. I won't immediately judge his performance til after a certain amount of episodes! I did stick with ST:TNG even though the 1st year and then some was shit!And the only thing I can think of about Martha and Mickey is that they wanted to remind us of Mickey too!Personally I'd omit Micky. Have a hot bubble-bath scene with Martha relaxing just as the Doctor pops in, surprising her. This allows Martha to jumps up and the audience is treated to a quick shot of her gorgeous bum!THATS how I would have done that scene! Shit being director, I'd have taken numerous shots with her and maybe the stand-in, but not overdoing it so no one would get suspicious! Hehehe!!!
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