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Quint enjoys him some Sherlock Holmes!!

Published at: Dec. 24, 2009, 2:54 p.m. CST

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here with my thoughts on Guy Ritchie’s Sherlock Holmes! The up-fronts: Yes, I have seen a lot of Sherlock Holmes movies and TV, but I’d wager not the lion’s share of the massive amount that has been put out. Until very recently I was completely ignorant of Arthur Conan Doyle’s original stories. I’m beginning to make amends for that, thanks mostly to my Christmas gift to myself, a Kindle e-reader… the entire Conan Doyle Holmes library was available for only $1 and the second I finished Stephen King’s 1100 page tome, Under the Dome, I started reading A Study in Scarlet with an aim to read all the Holmes material from Doyle in one rush. I can speak for how the movie played to me as a story, but I’m afraid I can’t compare it to the established literature. Drew’s review at Hitfix can say much more on the subject than I can. He is Moriarty afterall. While I know it won’t be a unique opinion I have to stress that Sherlock Holmes is a successful picture because of the crazy charisma between Robert Downey Jr. and Jude Law. I’ve long been a fan of Law’s and have stuck with him through some pretty horrid pictures (the Sleuth remake anyone?). When the dude’s on he’s on. I have a big soft spot for his WW2 sniper flick ENEMY AT THE GATES, he’s a great creep in ROAD TO PERDITION and yes, I still stick by the uber-fun callback to vintage pulp entertainment SKY CAPTAIN AND THE WORLD OF TOMORROW. We all know Downey is back in top form, so we had no doubt as to his ability to charismatically and energetically carry this film. The real surprise to me was seeing the two bounce off each other. In other Holmes and Watson movies the two men are usually portrayed as an Odd Couple-like pairing of unlikely friends, but this is the first time I can think of them playing the roles almost like blood-brothers. At their goofiest they’re like 10 year old siblings taunting each other, one-upping each other and at their most serious there’s an obvious and caring familial bond between the two men. As Holmes would undoubtedly point out there are many small pieces that make up the larger puzzle. In this case the story is of Watson trying to pull away from Holmes, move out of 221b Baker Street and pursue an engagement with a lovely lady. This forces Holmes to be a third wheel, a position he’s not used to and doesn’t like very much. But like the mafia Watson can’t help but be pulled back in time and time again, usually at the careful prodding and planning of Holmes. So there’s a split between the two, a slight divide that Watson is trying to widen and Holmes is trying to repair. So on top of the performances and the personal chemistry between Law and Downey the story is primed for this bickering, but loving friendship. The occult plays a large part in the mystery afoot, most notably the main menace of Lord Blackwood (Mark Strong) a dark and charming cult leader sacrificing girls in evil ceremonies as the story begins. That’s not so much the mystery that needs solving. We essentially jump in at the end of that particular case, but the real mystery happens after Blackwood is captured and convicted, this time surrounding a more noble Templar-ish cult of old, rich and powerful white guys being picked off by what appears to be a dead man. And then there’s the figure glimpsed only in shadow. Who’s that guy, with chalk on his lapel? Whoever he is, McAdams’ Irene Adler is scared of him and Ms. Adler isn’t shaken by anything or anyone. The big question is the action element and how does that fit into the story. Quite well, actually. It was another pleasant surprise for me to see that Ritchie didn’t inject pointless action for updating purposes. There’s no “This ain’t your father’s Sherlock Holmes!” feel to the excitement of the flick. Instead Ritchie and the multiple credited writers grounded the action in character. If a big explosion happens it’s done in a way this ignorant viewer feels is realistic. The action has real consequences to our heroes. Whenever there’s a fight scene we see Holmes’ deductive reasoning in slow motion and then see him implement his plans in real time. We know from the books that Watson is a soldier and trained as one and that Holmes dabbles in bare knuckle boxing, so the fisticuffs aren’t a stretch. The biggest leap of disbelief we have to take as audience members is the big dry-docked boat set piece that literally tears the dock to splinters, but like Spielberg said when someone complained that no one would believe a shark would chew on an air tank “By that time I’ll already have them.” They already had me and it’s an exhilarating sequence even if more than any other in the movie you just have to kind of go with the flow. From the production design to the costuming, the world feels authentic and if you’re anything like me you’re in for the adventure in the first 5 minutes. Downey and Law absolutely knock this out of the park and McAdams holds her own in such talented company with a character that is Marion Ravenwood-ish in design. Guy Ritchie also deserves a lot of credit for bringing enough of his sensibilities to play that you feel his influence on the film, but taming it down to let the story take center stage and not his style. Holmes is a very well-mixed potion of cinema entertainment and that’s why I’d be willing to wager we’re going to see some legs on this film. Most audiences, if mine was any indicator, will walk out of this movie grinning and wanting to see the further adventures of Downey’s Holmes and Law’s Watson, much like a good majority of you guys left JJ Abrams’ Star Trek wanting to see the further adventures of that crew. I know I want to see more… especially with the set-up we get for the next flick. Lots of promise there. We’ll see how it shapes up! Happy Holidays, squirts and may you all get presents that make you feel like this kid:

-Quint quint@aintitcool.com Follow Me On Twitter



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  • Dec. 24, 2009, 9:48 a.m. CST

    Your task throughout this talkback

    by seppukudkurosawa

    Is to come up with a joke for this punchline: Sheerluck Holmes. Hop to it!

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 9:50 a.m. CST

    Elementary!

    by ebonic_plague

    I'd buy a ticket to watch McAdams read the proverbial phone book. Not the real one, though, that'd be boring. <p> What I'm trying to say is, one ticket, please.

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 9:55 a.m. CST

    So Holmes and Watson are more like equals?...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...because usually it's an emotionally abusive relationship bordering on the sadomasochistic...with tweed and wool fetish gear.

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 10:01 a.m. CST

    You have been in Afghanistan, I believe

    by SmokingRobot

    This looked pretty bad to me but all the good reviews have sold me. I'll see it this weekend and hope the next one is not so 'modern'.

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 10:04 a.m. CST

    I'm SO looking forward to seeing this on Boxing Day!

    by RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL

    This movie sounds like a lot of fun! I'm taking the entire Gerbil family with me as everyone in my house has been talking about how good it looks.<p>If their excitement and those I work with are representative of the general public, this movie is going to do well. We may as well start speculating on who'll be playing Moriarty right now.

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 10:05 a.m. CST

    ...If I see this at home with some sherry, port, or madeira...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...and the wood stove going I do believe it will be a pleasant enough evening.

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 10:06 a.m. CST

    No Flicka, Holmes and Watson are more like

    by Bellam

    lovers.

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 10:08 a.m. CST

    I just randomly picked up some John Silence stories

    by seppukudkurosawa

    the other day, by a guy called Algernon Blackwood, written around the same time as Sherlock Holmes. They're about a "psychic doctor" and his ghostbusting adventures. Like Holmes, they were also kind of pulpy but well-written and genuinely creepy. Now if Hollywood is really so hard-up for material to adapt as I suspect, I see no reason why they wouldn't make a great movie or a greater series.<p> I know, a bit of a non-sequitur, but they kind of reminded me of Arthur Conan Doyle quite a bit.

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 10:08 a.m. CST

    ...Bellam, are you implying that love and emotionally...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...abusive sadomasochism with tweed fetish gear are mutually exclusive?

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 10:09 a.m. CST

    Catching this one tomorrow now... good review

    by CREG

    I was on the fence but this pushed me over - thanks Quint.

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 10:10 a.m. CST

    Well, when you put it that way Flicka...

    by Bellam

    ...it's definitely a case of two great tastes that taste great together.

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 10:11 a.m. CST

    this movie is not about the plot

    by ieatgarbage

    but the ambiance. if there is one thing i know. it's ambiance. and this movie has it! it will change my life. <p> i'm going to pier one later.

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 10:14 a.m. CST

    ...THE GROVE OF ASHTAROTH...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...I recently stumbled on a guy called John Buchan (1875-1940) in a collection of short stories...not a series unfortunately, but his stories always have a regular guy facing some sort of supernatural or occult mystery. Much better writing than average for this sort of thing...even poetic at times.

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 10:32 a.m. CST

    Not too many people get third (fourth?) chances in Hollywood.

    by WickedJester

    Glad to see Downey is taking advantage.

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 10:37 a.m. CST

    I loved Law in A.I.

    by cookylamoo

    In fact, I really wish the movie had followed the adventures of Gigolo Joe and forgotten about the robot kid.

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 10:39 a.m. CST

    While everyone goes to see this film tomorrow...

    by Chakraborty

    ...I'll be watching The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus in a mostly empty theater.

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 10:42 a.m. CST

    I still don't understand why Quint didn't review Avatar

    by The Ringwraith

    His reviews are my favorite now that Moriarty is gone. Did I miss it?

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 10:46 a.m. CST

    ...Chakra...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...Tim Burton show at MoMA...IMAGINARIUM tomorrow...<P>Fuck you. I am FlickaPoo's burning envy.

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 10:46 a.m. CST

    Too bad Ritchie couldn't get Madonna as the love interest

    by johnnyangelheart

    (smirk)

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 11:05 a.m. CST

    A guy unfamiliar with Holmes LOVES the re-invention...

    by TheGhostWhoLurks

    That explains a LOT! >:P<P>How's about next time, we have a review from someone who ISN'T culturally illiterate regarding one of the most famous fictional characters of the past 125 years?

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 11:40 a.m. CST

    Quint's 2nd post in two days where he gives McWeeney a reacharou

    by ZombieHeathLedger

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 11:45 a.m. CST

    woah, woah woah, whats with the Sleuth hate?

    by JettL93

    that movie was brilliant, Law and Caine where amazing and director Kenneth Branaugh did an amazing job at keeping the film interesting with very few scene changes and minimal characters... to me that makes it a good movie because it had such little to rely on besides story and performances, but still mananged to be entertaining

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 11:57 a.m. CST

    The Shania Story!!!

    by Major Hockshtetter

    Law is a remarkable actor, probably my favorite of the current crop. I especially enjoy his comedic turns and for me, his portrayal of corporate tool Brad Stand in I (heart) Huckabees is tops. Tough for an actor to take a character from smarmy to serpentine to tragic and make it convincing. Watching he and Schwartzman spar - - wonderful!

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 12:05 p.m. CST

    Sky Captain

    by ballyhoo

    was awesome. It still is. I must have missed the memo that got passed around that told us all to suddenly start hating it.

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 12:14 p.m. CST

    Sky Captain

    by Kaitain

    I agree. It was great fun. Seemed to me that a lot of people got put off by the stylized acting, just as they did with The Hudsucker Proxy.

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 12:16 p.m. CST

    John Buchan

    by Kaitain

    Uhhh...you discovered the guy who wrote The Thirty-Nine Steps? <p> I guess maybe he's not so famous in North America...?

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 12:16 p.m. CST

    big surprise, after that comi con interview

    by Waka_Flocka_Flame

    FLOCKA!!!

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 12:20 p.m. CST

    Happy Holidays everyone!

    by gotilk

    And I do mean everyone. We fight, we disagree, you're all wrong a lot.. etc etc. But dammitt! I love every last one of you and I hope you all get twice what you want and 3 times what you deserve this new year. A sincere happy holidays from yours truly, gotlick. lol ;)<br> Oh, better stay on topic. Looks like a fun movie.

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 12:22 p.m. CST

    even though you didn't like sleuth quint..

    by JettL93

    I'm still your biggest fan, i'll follow you until you love me, Pa-pa-pa-parazzi!

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 12:27 p.m. CST

    Yea, Flicka, this film is a love story between Holmes and Watson

    by Continentalop

    But not a gay love story When two men are constantly putting their lives on the line and the other one backs them up and they know they can depend on them, that is a kind of love. Seen it in cop movies, seen it in war movies, crime movies, movies about firefighters, Westerns, etc. Kind of like Butch and Sundance, Murtaugh and Riggs, Lucius Vorenus and Titus Pullo. An otherwise mediocre Bogart movie has a great line exemplifying it is in DEAD RECKONING. Same with Holmes and Watson. <P> Of course, I guess it is easier for some people to just make gay jokes...

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 12:43 p.m. CST

    "I am! I WAS!"

    by MattmanReturns

    A.I. is awesome.

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 12:46 p.m. CST

    ...Conti, I don't give two deerstalker caps for what Holmes...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...and Watson do or don't do in their special private time. I AM troubled/amused by what a prick Holmes is to Watson sometimes...and the fact that Watson just takes it and keeps coming back for more. <P>If they're both happy and fulfilled then I guess it's OK...but they need to be aware of the potentially destructive dynamic.<P>James Spader and Maggie Gyllenhaal seem to be getting it right in SECRETARY...

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 12:52 p.m. CST

    I hated that dry-dock scene

    by Itri12

    Because after seeing The Hurt Locker, that explosion would have easily killed Watson. Ridiculous. Still liked the movie, but man they could have made that so much better.

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 12:55 p.m. CST

    ...incidentally, my favorite argument for gay marriage...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...or at least domestic partnership is Captain Woodrow F. Call and Augustus McCrae.<P> No bible thumper (and I know quite a few), no matter how hardcore has ever managed to argue that those two aren't domestic partners and next of kin...entitled to all the rights thereof...regardless of what happens or doesn't happen after sundown.<P>In fact, thumpers usually either reluctantly agree...or get very quiet and confused...

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 1:03 p.m. CST

    Jeremy Brett Lives Forever

    by Admiral Akwelches

    No other actor captured the mad genius, vulnerable at times, of Sherlock Holmes.

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 1:04 p.m. CST

    The DOME..

    by brattyben

    I ordered that through SFBC. How was it? I'm curious to see this movie. I was wondering about the action, but, your review puts me to ease.

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 1:11 p.m. CST

    ...and Conti...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...yours are all good examples, but my personal favorite is POINT BREAK...just because the frenemies angle gives it a twist. <P>Those two are so hot for each other...you wish they'd just realize it and be happy. Especially poignant now that Swayze is gone...<P>Of course you were talking about platonic man-love...so my observation is pointless...

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 1:13 p.m. CST

    please don't mention Sky Shitfest

    by SirBiatchReturns

    and then pretend like that movie was anything more than garbage

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 1:20 p.m. CST

    Flick, my comments were not meant to be an insult towards you

    by Continentalop

    I actually meant it as a broad comment towards all the tbers who I know won't be able to get around the idea of two men together and not say "They're fags." <P> As for the masochistic relationship, I think they insinuate (at least in my opinion) that both secretly acknowledge Holmes faults: he isn't good with people. Watson just puts up with it, and the verbal banter between the two is kind of a release valve for both, but also many times a kind of code for appreciation. Men don't say they love another man, but sometimes a well placed "fuck you, asshole" conveys that. <P> And at least in this film, I think many of Holmes barbs and interfering with Watson can be contributed to Holmes being afraid he is losing his partner - think of the film GUNGA DIN and how the other two sergeants tried to prevent Fairbanks jr. from leaving the army. And I think Watson realizes it, which is why he so willing to let a lot of Holmes' behavior to pass.

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 1:23 p.m. CST

    Can't wait to see it tomorrow...

    by Hipshot

    And I've read every story Doyle wrote about Holmes. And if I can handle Holmes as a drunk incompetent and giggle (Without a Clue) I can certainly deal with him as the physically formidable man Doyle created--and then primarily chronicled his cerebral adventures, to be sure. All this hate for a simple interpretation is pretty sad. I wonder whether or not those who hate Holmes as a physical creature are themselves somewhat...hmmm...how shall I put it: non-athletic? Somehow think that Sherlock is diminished by having physical hungers and skills? Just wondering...

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 1:26 p.m. CST

    ...Conti, good to hear...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...sometimes there seems to be that abusive relationship angle made even worse by a casually assumed class or social superiority on Holmes' part.<P>Different times and all that...and funny, but I sometimes wanted to give Watson a good shake and Holmes a punch in the face...

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 1:36 p.m. CST

    Flick, I don't think it is class or social superiority

    by Continentalop

    I think Holmes is a pompous arrogant prick with everyone. Think of Inspector Lestrade, or how he treats many of his clients, even ones who are of much higher social class, like the King of Bohemia. If anything, Holmes is actually nice and more polite to the poorer, simplier and weaker folks. I think his attitude towards Watson is him being consistent, treating someone of the same social class just as rudely as he would anyone else (if he didn't, he would just be making his affection towards Watson transparent, and men don't do that). <p> And I think Watson realizes this. I think sometimes he is about to bust his cane over Holmes head, but restrains himself because he knows that Holmes attitude towards him is just an act.

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 1:42 p.m. CST

    ...you seem to know them better than I do, so if you say...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...they're happy then I'm happy.<P>I just want everybody to be happy.

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 1:59 p.m. CST

    Just my theory Flick

    by Continentalop

    Of course I could be suffering from battered wives syndrome. Just rationalizing and making excuses for him. <p> "Holmes is under a lot of pressure. Leave him alone!"

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 2:02 p.m. CST

    You don't like happy to me Flicka

    by RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL

    I can see you from here and you're scowling.

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 2:03 p.m. CST

    *look*

    by RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL

    Like?<p>Look?<p>Like?<p>Look!

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 2:08 p.m. CST

    Oh god! Quint had to make that comparison

    by AsimovLives

    Now i have to deduce that this movie is a whole pile of shit.

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 2:09 p.m. CST

    ...RICHARD_GERE...I laughed...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...then I paused...and thought for a minute...and looked around...<P>...and closed the curtains.<P>Then I laughed again...

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 2:18 p.m. CST

    Asi, the movie isn't a master piece

    by Continentalop

    But it is good. Not great, good (mostly do to the chemistry between RDJ and Law). The ads make it look like some sort of Kung fu flick, but it isn't. It is a surprisingly faithful (obviously not completely) adaptation of Doyle's work, in a more pulpish setting. <p> If you see it you might not like it, but your preconcieved notions might rob you of a chance to see an entertaining film.

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 2:27 p.m. CST

    Asimov, Quint is the ONLY person to compare this to Trek

    by MattmanReturns

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 2:38 p.m. CST

    Sky Captain was great fun!

    by thot

    Wish there were more like it. Looking forward to seeing Sherlock Holmes, but gotta dole it out for Avatar first. RDJ and Jude Law are both great actors. Law has had a streak of crap films, time for him to get his due.

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 2:58 p.m. CST

    Asimov

    by Quint

    I did that just for you. :) Merry Christmas!

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 3:08 p.m. CST

    ...I just watched that Christmas clip..

    by FlickaPoo

    ...I was really hoping they hollowed out the book and his the game inside SHAWSHANK style...that would have been a cool surprise.<P>One year my parents hid my present at the bottom of a beautifully wrapped up bag of real kitchen garbage...true fucking story.<P>That explains a lot.

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 3:13 p.m. CST

    ...four more things about the Christmas video...

    by FlickaPoo

    1- They shouldn't have given him the cheat book...don't want to turn the kid into a pussy.<P> 2- I sure hope the little girl got her presents before the events on camera. The only love that poor little girl got is her dad telling her to get out of the shot. <P>3- we need to get that mom out of those Mom Jeans ASAP.<P> 4- That's a really nice clip.

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 3:18 p.m. CST

    i don't think people say it enough tho

    by ieatgarbage

    star trek was a pile of shit. asimov go forth. like a pair of levi jeans. <p> and walt whitman?

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 3:34 p.m. CST

    Don't wreck the box!

    by aargh

    jeez dad, lighten up

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 4:03 p.m. CST

    I hope Holmes doesn't disappoint me as much as avatar did

    by sansara07

    I don't think I could take another big let-down in the space of a couple of weeks. I'm not expecting Holmes to be a masterpiece, I'm keeping my expectations grounded and then I should be pleasantly surprised. Should have done the same when I went to see Avatar.

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 4:07 p.m. CST

    I loved Law in Alfie

    by Bass Ackwards

    I loved the original, and thought the remake was hugely underrated. Very slickly directed, a surprisingly touching and fun score done by Jagger, and a hugely charasmatic Law. Also it's one of the few movies I can think of where an actor is in pretty much 100% of the movie, start to finish.

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 4:15 p.m. CST

    Bass, have you seen the original?

    by Continentalop

    I can see people unfamilar with the Michael Caine vehicle enjoying the new version, but trust me it pales in comparison to the 60s version IMO.

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 4:36 p.m. CST

    Cute kid

    by brobdingnag

    Definitely gay though...not that there's anything wrong with that.

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 4:45 p.m. CST

    Quint

    by AsimovLives

    Merry christmas for you too. Have a better one.

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 4:48 p.m. CST

    We now need a youtube clip of Asimov opening his presents...

    by RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL

    ..and getting the Star Trek DVD along with all of the books released about the movie.<p>FOR THE COMPLETE OPPOSITE REACTION.

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 4:49 p.m. CST

    Merry Xmas Fellow Douchebags

    by RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 4:55 p.m. CST

    Continentalop

    by AsimovLives

    I don't doubt the chemistry between Jude Law and Robert Dwoney Jr. Even that godawful trailer can't rob it. And i love the casting of jude Law as Watson, and this more physical take on the character. And i also like the idea of Downey Jr as Sherlock Holmes. Frankly, of the actors his age, and of the actors i know of,i can't think of one better suited for the role, except perhaps some obscure british actor who has not jumped to international proeminence yet.<br><br>No, my problem is the attitude and style of the movie as depicted in the trailer. and this is one of the cases where i think the trailer is actually faithful to the movie. And i suspect that quint's review is actaully very spot on when it compared the movie to you know what abomination. It will be extremely hard to contradict the skepticism i have for this movie, and there's no use to try to appeal to faith, because i don't operate on faith nor i want to have any truck with that bullshit.<br>I guess this is not your daddy's Sherlock Holmes. Well, this daddy still prefers an older Sherlock Holmes, The Jeremy Brett one. And the new movie is not putting me in any hurry to go searching for substitutes.

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 4:57 p.m. CST

    ...RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...this?<P> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YersIyzsOpc

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 5:23 p.m. CST

    Why is Sherlock Holmes over 2 hours

    by saber12

    Is it really that good?

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 5:26 p.m. CST

    FlickaPoo

    by RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL

    Very good, sir!

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 5:30 p.m. CST

    RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL

    by AsimovLives

    You forgot that present would only be complete with a shootgun and a few shells. Then the package would be complete, and it would be indeed a great present. It would be target practicing time!

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 5:31 p.m. CST

    saber12

    by RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL

    If runtimes are such a big issue for you, go and watch something like "The Hottie & The Nottie" instead. It's only 90 minutes long.<p>Sorted.

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 5:31 p.m. CST

    A sledgehammer would fine too

    by AsimovLives

    Or a broadsword or a fucking battleaxe.

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 5:32 p.m. CST

    ""The Hottie & The Nottie" [...] only 90 minutes long."

    by AsimovLives

    I'd say 90 minutes too long.

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 5:33 p.m. CST

    AsimovLives

    by RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL

    Will you promise me that when the sequel comes out, that you'll submit a review to AICN? I'll even pay for your ticket if I have to.<p>Go on.<p>Go on.<p>Go on.<p>Go on.<p>Go on.<p>Go on.<p> <p>Go on.

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 5:34 p.m. CST

    I'm listening to The Fountain OST and drinking red wine

    by RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL

    In a minute I'll watch "Scrooged". This year's Christmas Eve is rocking.

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 5:35 p.m. CST

    Why do some people protest a good movie is more then 2 hours...

    by AsimovLives

    ... while at the same time they eat up crap like Tranformers 1 and 2 for 2 and half hours without complain?<br>Hey, guess what, ALIENS, even at it's shorter version, is 135 minutes long. Give up on that too, because it's too long, it passes the magical 2 hours lenght limit.<br><br>Fucking asses!<br><br>Lesson of the day: bad movies are always too long, good movies are always too short.

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 5:36 p.m. CST

    "bad movies are always too long, good movies are always too shor

    by RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL

    So very true.

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 5:38 p.m. CST

    RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL

    by AsimovLives

    Believe it or not, i'm dying to see the sequel. I want to have a few laughts at it's idioticy. This time i'll come prepared, unlike the first movie, which caught me compeltly unawares. Next time, with the next movie, i'll get my fun, MST3K style!

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 5:45 p.m. CST

    Just watched that Christmas clip

    by Bass Ackwards

    What a great kid. I don't think I was ever that grateful for anything my parent's gave me. I'm such a dick, maybe I'll call them this year...on the other hand its so nice to sleep in on Christmas, so maybe not.

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 5:50 p.m. CST

    AsimovLives

    by Continentalop

    I'm not going to say I can't understand why you are hesitant: horrible trailer that makes this look like it is SHERLOCK HOLMES - SHAOLIN MONK; an add campaign that makes it like they are completely scrapping everything that makes Holmes Holmes; and having Guy Ritchie as the director, a guy not known for restraint. <P> HOWEVER, I am telling you that the film is a lot better than that. I'm a Holmes fan, own the complete canon, and the new movies do not contradict anything in those books. Emphasize one thing over another, focus on certain aspects over another, and coming up with their own theories why he acts a certain way, oh yes they do that. But this is a completely legitimate interpretation of Holmes’ legend. <p> Maybe you won’t be able to get over your ideas of how Holmes should be, that is completely legitimate. But Holmes is competing with Dracula for most filmed character, having appeared in over 200 films, so I think there is room for him to be shown in another light than just stuffy, cliched Victorian, which has been the norm from Rathbone to Cushing to even Brett. <p> To use an analogy you might relate too, they decided to do what Nolan and others have decided to do to Batman, not imitate the iconic image and mannerism of Adam West’s Batman and interpret it another way, something that is loyal to what you can find in the comic books. Well, I think what Guy Ritchie and the writers have done here is similar (I will not say it is as good of movie, although I won’t lie and say I did enjoy it more because I thought they did a better job of touching upon aspects of the Holmes’ legend and because of the fight scenes/martial arts). <P> And finally, the fight stuff is incredible realistic. Not shot realistic – it is a movie after all, and it is depicted in an exciting and stylistic manner – but everything Holmes and Watson do is stuff that gentlemen were doing or was available for them to learn. I’m not trying to come across as an expert, but I am a big fan of martial arts and I do follow and read about what was being studied and used in Victorian Europe and America., and at that time there was a big exercise and health craze. Boxing, stickfighting, fencing, knife fighting, wrestling, and other martial arts were being studied at that time because crime was growing rampant in New York, London and Paris. In Paris, the apaches (street hoodlums) had grown so bad that martial arts like Savate de Rue (Savate of the streets), la canne, la baton, and a system known as Defense dan la Rue was being studied by gentlemen, and it was recommended that every French gentleman learn boxing, box Francaise, and jujitsu. Bartitsu (which Doyle spelled at baritsu) was created in 1900 in London, which combined boxing, savate, Swiss wrestling and Judo. In America, the catch wrestling was developing, combining Irish Collar-and-elbow, Lancashire and Catch-as-catch-can wrestling with Judo, Jujitsu and other even Indian and Persian wrestling styles of Pehlwani and Verzesh-e Pahlvani (and Rough and Tumble fighting). Hell, Teddy Roosevelt pushed the “strenuous life” and practiced and studied Judo while he was President (1901-1909). The only thing you can say is that maybe Sherlock Holmes pushes the date back and say that he was learning this stuff 10-12 years before everyone else (in the case of the Japanese martial arts), but even that doesn’t go against the books continuity. <P> Here is a couple of videos and links to show you what kind of martial arts you can expect from SHERLOCK HOLMES, which I think both fit Holmes character and the stories (in over a dozen stories it is mentioned he is a boxer, stickfighter, fencer and even knows baritsu, a Japanese method of grappling): <P> http://tinyurl.com/yf377w9 <p> http://tinyurl.com/ylau552 <P> http://tinyurl.com/ybgqaes <P> http://tinyurl.com/9bfx3a <P> So, once again I can’t promise you’ll like the film, but it is a lot smarter and better done than the ads show it to be.

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 5:53 p.m. CST

    Continetal

    by Bass Ackwards

    l did see the original, and enjoyed it as well, I don't know how I'd compare the two, or even if I'd try. But the remake definitely was a better film than I was expecting, I was very impressed by the direction of it, its a very tight, slick little film, and Law does a great job of carrying it. I also think, just comparing the few changes they made with the original makes for a subtle, interesting commentary on the way times, women, sexual relations, etc have changed since then (and the ways in which they haven't). I don't want to give the remake too much credit, but l do think it did what it set out to do very well.

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 6:02 p.m. CST

    AsimovLives

    by saber12

    Many people complain that Avatar is too long. Did it really need to be almost 3 hours? Peter Jackson's King Kong needed an editor, too. Save the longer cut for DVD.

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 6:21 p.m. CST

    didn't care until I saw the Repo Men trailer.

    by MacReady452

    now i'm in gay love with Jude Law and will see anything he is in. AWE...who am i kidding. i was already in gay love with him.

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 6:38 p.m. CST

    Continentalop

    by RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL

    Just wanted to say that i hope things are looking up for you. I know divorces can be tricky but, in my honest opinion, you're better off without her.<p>P.S I'm one of the few people who actually liked 'Revolver'.<p><p>P.P.S Looking forward to seeing your new movie this weekend!

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 6:54 p.m. CST

    Richard Gere

    by Continentalop

    I think if I was Guy Ritchie I would be praising the movie a little harder. I say it is good, not great. <P> The only reason I keep posting is because I keep seeing people who have not seen the movie making false statements and coming to the wrong conclusions based on the ads. Unfortunately, I think their statements might also scare away people who are otherwise on the fence about it and would find it enjoy it immensely. <P> Also I am at my parents for the Holidays, we just got hit by a shit load of snow and I am stuck inside with little booze and bored out of my mind. I can write this or "All work and no play makes Continentalop a dull boy."

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 7:05 p.m. CST

    Only teasin' Conti

    by RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL

    I liked your review over at 'that other site' by the way.<p>I'll keep my fingers crossed that your snow melts and booze arrives. You have a good Christmas, now.

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 7:07 p.m. CST

    Flickapoo Re: Tim Burton exhibit

    by Chakraborty

    I just got back from the Tim Burton exhibit at MoMa, and it was really impressive; Burton is a very prolific artist. It wasn't just conceptual art from his films, although there was a lot of that. There were also drawings, illustrations, paintings, and posters he made from the time he was a young teenager, and there were a lot of them. They even had some of his writing assignments from school, and super 8 movies he made as a teenager were playing on some TV screens, and some amazing animations he made many years ago. <p> There was a viewing area where Burton's 1983 live action TV adaptation of Hansel and Gretel was playing (I had no idea he did this), and it was really trippy. I'm amazed it was even made. Hansel and Gretel were played by Japanese actors, and the witch had a candy cane nose. In one scene, the candy cane bed tries to eat one of the children, and in another scene, the witch throws candy ninja stars at the boy, who then pulls them out of the wall after dodging them, and starts to eat them. <p> They had pieces used in his films, like Batman's mask, Edward Scissorhand's costume, the Penguin's baby carriage, and more. And they had Burton's character descriptions written in his own hand of his various film characters. Of note was the one he wrote for Edward Scissorhands. First he made a list of the many emotions Edward would possess, and at the end of the page after describing him in more detail, he said that Edward plays the steel drums, and his dream is to one day vacation on a Caribbean island, LOL. <p> I was going to take pictures and possibly send in a report to this site, but I doubted they would print it, so I didn't risk it since pictures were forbidden and you'd be kicked out if you did, but I'm going back next week with the intent of getting as many pics as possible.

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 7:23 p.m. CST

    No problemo Richard Gere

    by Continentalop

    If you could somehow send a St. Bernard with some rum to where I am at, it would be much appreciated. Getting sick of PBR and wine (nasty combo).

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 7:23 p.m. CST

    ...Chakra, sounds great...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...small child has kept us out of The City for a while...used to get in at least half a dozen times a year for the good stuff.<P>I draw for a living and people like Burton amaze me...to come roaring out of the box fully formed like that...right from his teen years... He seems to be really prolific and spontaneous too...too much thought goes into all my projects, and I feel like it took me quite a while to find my way.<P> Sure, he seems to be repeating himself and might be in a rut recently...but I love how he has a completely personal visual vocabulary.<P> Thanks for the report.

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 7:51 p.m. CST

    A Tim Burton exhibit?

    by saber12

    Sounds painful.

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 8:24 p.m. CST

    Flicka....

    by Chakraborty

    ...the exhibit is open until April, so if you're in the city before then, I'd definitely make a visit to MoMa.

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 11:21 p.m. CST

    Holmes was very very good

    by Derek Wildstarr

    go see it.

  • Dec. 24, 2009, 11:28 p.m. CST

    Everythig Tim Burton does

    by tradeskilz

    looks exactly the same. Someone sell Tim some new colors.

  • Dec. 25, 2009, 12:23 a.m. CST

    merry christmas friends

    by JettL93

    Wishing you all a great day... now back to helping Santa deliver presents. Yeah i'm part of that now too

  • Dec. 25, 2009, 2:41 a.m. CST

    could have been so much better with the addition of

    by Maniaq

    Mexican Coke

  • Dec. 25, 2009, 2:59 a.m. CST

    Quint, you should check out The Gutenberg Project

    by Maniaq

    ebooks of Public Domain works like the complete works of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle (and HG Wells, Mark Twain, Shakespeare, Kafka, Edgar Rice Burroughs - to name a few) all available for free.. <p> among the top 100 Authors is over 200 works by... United States, Central Intelligence Agency? <p> http://www.gutenberg.org/ <p> happy reading

  • Dec. 25, 2009, 4:23 a.m. CST

    Seabury Quinn...

    by Carl's hat

    ..those who know are the fortunate ones. Watch him be 'discovered' by AICN writers (that's it, rush off and Wiki him).

  • Dec. 25, 2009, 7:14 a.m. CST

    Another Holmes

    by rockyb61

    I'm very much looking forward to the Downey Jr./Law "Sherlock Holmes" and hope to see it this week. While I love the Jeremy Brett version, I would like to recommend the complete BBC Radio versions of the Holmes cannon starring Clive Merrison as Sherlock Holmes and Michael Williams as Dr. John Watson. This is the only time all of the stories have been adapted by the same pair of actors and they are excellent. Some "Further Adventures" have also been released featuring Merrison with Andrew Sachs (Fawlty Tower's Manuel) replacing the late Mr. Williams. While these are newly created stories, they are also of a very high standard. A stormy night, a long drink and listening to a very atmospheric version of "The Hound Of The Baskervilles", it don't get much better.

  • Dec. 25, 2009, 10:08 a.m. CST

    saber12

    by AsimovLives

    Well, but i don't think that Peter Jackson's KING KONG is a good movie. Definatly too long. And AVATAR needs mroe scenes in it. There's stuff in it that is just incompreesnible and certainly they once had an introductory scene that was later removed. AVATAR needed to be longer with the human related scenes, and shorter with the "jolly flying through Pandora" scenes.

  • Dec. 25, 2009, 10:21 a.m. CST

    Continentalop

    by AsimovLives

    Believe me that my problem with SHERLOCK HOLMES is not that he and Watson can fight. In fact, one of my peeves in previous presentations of those two characters is exactly that, they should had been presented as more physical capable. This are people who investigated crimes, and soemtime shad to dwell with the most unsavory parts of london. No, i don't have a problem with Holmes and Watson beign good with a fist and a stick.<br><br>No, my major proboem is with the presentation. And as far i can see, the presentation is all action movie cliché. Fast-foward/slow motion fist fights. Slow motion explosions. Holmes and Watson shooting people and shooting shit. People screaming each other's names in slow motion. And what the fuck is that shit of showing Holmes dressed as a hobbo when not in disguise? Since when Holmes looked like a vangrant when he stepped outrside his home? Adn what the fuck is that bulslhit with Holmes naked and handcuffed to a beg, kinky style? That's how they build humour for this movie? They are that desperate? And a bomb of mass destruction in frigging London 19th century? At a time before dynamite was invented and when carrying nitroglycerine was beyond dangerous and hardly a science? What the fuck is this bullshit?<br><br>But really, it's the rpesentation, mroe then anything,t hat's turning me off. On this movie, i have all my warning bells ringing, like in a firemen's HQ. I'm sorry, but it will take quite a lot to convince me otherwise. All i see is the writings of the wall, the same writings i saw for SHIT TREK. I see in SHERLOCK HOLMES none of those positive signs i saw before i watched BATMAN BEGINS. So, from my point of view, this new SHERLOCK HOLMES movie looks totally SHIT TREK and none BATMAN BEGINS. And in my book, that's not a good thing. Not at all.<br><br>But thanks for the links, friend. They were very instructive. You helped proved to me somethign i suspected for a while already, that the martial arts craze in the west didn't started with Bruce Lee, but was already going since the victorian era, and it might had died out during the WWII and post-war era in part due to the anti-asian sentiment that was raised.

  • Dec. 25, 2009, 10:23 a.m. CST

    Fuck Tim Burton

    by AsimovLives

    I gave up on that assclown since the double whammy of Planet Of The Apes and Big Fish. What a fucking disapointmnent.

  • Dec. 25, 2009, 12:19 p.m. CST

    crying over an xbox is sick

    by brabon300

    this morning, they were reading letters to santa from kids and families who have next to nothing thanks to our current economic probs...im sick of this consumerist society

  • Dec. 25, 2009, 1:51 p.m. CST

    Picked up The Complete Sherlock Holmes...

    by BurnedNotice_Dude

    from Barnes and Noble. Started reading it last night while at the airport waiting for family to arrive. One heck of an introduction. Cannot wait to hit the stories.

  • Dec. 25, 2009, 2:41 p.m. CST

    BurnedNotice_Dude

    by AsimovLives

    You mean "A Study In Scarlett"?

  • Dec. 25, 2009, 3:28 p.m. CST

    "A Study in Scarlet" is part of the Complete Sherlock Holmes

    by Continentalop

    The thing has every Holmes story by Doyle. <P> And for all you Holmes fans, TCM is playing all Sherlock Holmes movies, many of them Rathbone and Cushing versions, tonight starting at 8PM ET. They are even playing the Rathbone and Hammer versions of "The Hound of the Baskervilles." <P> I would watch them, but I'm getting cabin fever so I got to go out and drink...

  • Dec. 25, 2009, 3:50 p.m. CST

    AsimovLives, like I said before...

    by Continentalop

    ...I can understand your hesitation. It is a God awful ad campaign and trailer. But the film is surprising unlike the trailers. Action packed, yes; completely mindless action, far from it. <p> SPOILERS <P> Yes there is slow motion/fast motion during two fight scenes, but both of these are done to reflect Holmes personality - he thinks out all his moves in advance like a grand-master in chess, which keeps in line with his great intellect. "Holmes and Watson shooting people and shooting shit" - well Holmes and Watson used to pack heat, and used them in seven stories (Holmes and Watson are both mentioned being good with guns in the books). "People screaming each other's names in slow motion" - yep, but only one scene and it isn't pointless, it is actually emotionally important to the story. "And what the fuck is that shit of showing Holmes dressed as a hobbo when not in disguise? Since when Holmes looked like a vangrant when he stepped outrside his home?" Well, remember even Doyle wasn't consistent about Holmes appearance and neatness. He is often described as being a mess, with his hands discolored by acid and other chemicals from experiments, and considering how messy he keeps his flat I wouldn't be surprised it he ignored most Victorian standards of tidiness. Plus, many of the clips in the trailer are actually shots of Holmes in his half-discarded disguises; you might very well be reacting to that. <p> As for Holmes being cuffed naked to the bed, it is for one joke. A forced and obvious joke, yes, but also a very funny one that the audience ate up. And it is the only time they resorted to such broad comedy (as compared to the old Rathbone/Bruce films). <p> And the weapon of Mass Destruction isn't anything like a nuke or something like that. It is much simpler but still very deadly. And may I remind you that this is almost 300 years after Guy Fawkes who tried to blow up Parliament and dynamite was patented in 1867 in London (Nitroglycerin having been synthesized since 1847). <P> SPOILERS END <P> Now, having said all that in defense of the film I can’t guarantee you’ll like it. There are still many flaws in the movie, such as a much to grandiose climax in my opinion (which was the same problem I had in BATMAN BEGINS), that might be impossible for you to overlook or ignore, but there is enough good stuff in this film that I think many people will enjoy it and like it. Personally, I see a lot of potential in the franchise and hope the next one is more like TDK, in the sense that they discard with a lot of the crap that was in BATMAN BEGINS and instead focus on what really works in the film – the relationship between Holmes and Watson.

  • Dec. 25, 2009, 3:50 p.m. CST

    I like some of the people on this talkback...

    by Vlad the Inhaler

    ... such as seppukudkurosawa -- you're absolutely correct, Blackwood's "John Silence" stories would make for an excellent series of movies (I hate that term "franchise"), almost as an occult corollary to Sherlock Holmes. And, if you enjoy those stories, let me point you to Blackwood's novella "The Willows." HP Lovecraft said it was the scariest story in the English language; I wouldn't necessarily disagree. Very VERY creepy! ballyhoo and Kaitain -- thanks for sharing the love for "Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow." It's not without its (minor) problems, but is mostly the purest distillation of pulp fun. continentalop -- thank you for your explanation of the then-contemporary martial arts. Watson specifically described Holmes as an expert boxer; it suits my imagination of the detective as sufficiently cosmopolitan to have picked up some Eastern fighting techniques.

  • Dec. 25, 2009, 3:53 p.m. CST

    As for Western Martial Arts

    by Continentalop

    Remember the Greeks had a little thing called Pankration about 3,000 years ago. Maybe the most complete system ever. <P> And I don't think it was WWII that ended the West martial arts craze, it was WWI. Millions of young men died in France and England, many of them kids from the ghettos and poor sections of the cities. You suddenly didn't have that many hooligans or Apaches to worry about.

  • Dec. 25, 2009, 3:53 p.m. CST

    can I ask a stupid newbie question?

    by Vlad the Inhaler

    How do you format paragraph breaks here?

  • Dec. 25, 2009, 3:56 p.m. CST

    Vlad, you sure it was "The Willows?"

    by Continentalop

    I thought he said "The Wendigo" was the scariest story. Either way, both great stories.

  • Dec. 25, 2009, 3:58 p.m. CST

    Vlad

    by Continentalop

    It is 3 symbols in a row: <P> < P > <p> Without any spaces.

  • Dec. 25, 2009, 6:11 p.m. CST

    ...Vlad the Inhaler, pardon me, but...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...apart from the obvious cleverness, I have to ask about the origins of your name...<P>I know it's rude of me to ask, but our mutual friend Vlad was much on my mind recently...

  • Dec. 25, 2009, 6:22 p.m. CST

    To quote George Takei...

    by tensticks

    "I'm eating crow, and it tastes delicious." (And no, Crow does not refer to a specific individual person--it's a metaphor, stupid.) I was pretty certain this movie was going to blow donkey dick. However, I have a tradition of seeing a new release on Christmas Eve, and this was last night's pick. And good gods, was I wrong. I still stick to my guns that I predicted Watchmen's failure on every level (and I was spectacularly right), but as for Holmes...bring on part 2, baby, now now now!

  • Dec. 27, 2009, 2:29 p.m. CST

    Thanks a million, Vlad

    by seppukudkurosawa

    I'll check out The Willows as soon as I can find it. I'm not surprised Lovecraft was a fan; the man was a pioneer, but he didn't hold back on giving the lesser-known horror authors, like Algernon Blackwood and Richard W Chambers, as many shout-outs in his interviews as possible.<p> I like how in all those early 20th Century books, a lot of authors tried to incorporate new, burgeoning arts into their stories. Those John Silence stories took quite a few cues from Freud (not so popular at that point) and, like you said, Conan Doyle referenced Eastern fighting techniques, which was pretty cool for a so-called pulp book and a "ghost story writer."<p>

  • Dec. 28, 2009, 2:03 a.m. CST

    This film didnt allow the viewer to solve the mystery.

    by GibsonUSA Returns

    When Holmes "figures stuff out" at the end, it flashes back to things that the viewer had no chance to catch or figure out. Going into this movie I thought it would be more viewer-involving...where if we as the audience paid attention closely, we could figure it out ourselves too. Nope. This movie gives Holmes clues, but NOT the viewer.